The Viall Files - E966 - Love Island USA Finale w/ Taylor and Clarke, Disrespectfully w/ Dayna & Katie, and Bach In Paradise

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Well, islanders… time in the villa has come to an end :( But the incredible news for us is that everyone is BACK in the mainland and ready for their closeups. Today we’re joined by Taylor and Clarke to get into all things Love Island USA! Does Taylor feel bad about voting Jeremiah off? Do they believe in Nicolandria? And most important… Will Clarke be going to the rodeo with Taylor? All your questions, answered. Also, we’re joined by the wonderful ladies of Disrespectfully, Katie Maloney and Dayna Kathan, to get their take on the Love Island USA finale, some Valley rumblings, and more! Plus, is Bachelor in Paradise getting… good??? We give our takes. You will absolutely not want to miss this one.  “Are you still closed off?” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles     THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Mint Mobile - This summer, don’t get burned by your old wireless bill. Make the switch to Mint Mobile. Get 3-months of Unlimited premium wireless service for $15/month at https://mintmobile.com/viall   Thrive Market - Stock up smart this summer with Thrive Market. Go to https://thrivemarket.com/viall, to get thirty percent off your first order, plus a FREE sixty dollar gift just for signing up. BILT- Start paying rent through Bilt and take advantage of your Neighborhood BenefitsTM by going to https://joinbilt.com/viall  Helix Sleep - For their Fourth of July Sale: Best of Web Offer, go to https://helixsleep.com/viall for 27% Off Sitewide Rosetta Stone - Don’t wait - unlock your language learning potential NOW! The Viall Files listeners can grab Rosetta Stone’s LIFETIME Membership for 50% OFF! That’s unlimited access to 25 language courses for life! Visit www.rosettastone.com/viall to get started and claim your 50% off TODAY! Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (09:27) - Love Island with Katie and Dayna (41:10) - Clarke and Taylor Interview (01:20:13) - Post Interview Thoughts (01:23:16) - Exciting Update (01:30:51) - Bachelor In Paradise Recap (01:55:04) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @taylor_williams.3 @clarke.y @musickillskate @daynakathan @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell  

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Katie and Dana from Disrespectfully. Join us to start the show, ladies. How you doing? Hi, good. Good morning. Good to see you guys. We figured no better people to bring in following the finale of Love Island USA than the best friends of its hosts.

Hosts. Literally. Hosts. Literally. Hosts. Literally. Ariana Maddox. She looked good last night speaking of Ariana. God damn. I have to hear Natalie rave about Ariana's glam constantly. Yeah, her glam, her glam squad there,

her stylist, her glam squad, and you know, I know that in all her free time, she is at that gym and she is working on those abs because those are the most insane abs I've ever seen. She hasn't had a carb in probably three months. Yeah, not to be a pig, but south of the glam. Everything was working for me. I'm like, she's just an ab. She just walks around as an ab. She's one ab.

No, she looks so good. She's so goddamn charming. I'm just so proud of her. And all the men who just like help her up the stairs. It's so sweet. Gentlemen. Oh my god, I love it. Having done a little hosting myself, it makes you appreciate the difficult moments. When we're all listening to music of whatever the Love Island USA soundtrack is,

which is fire by the way on Spotify, I've been listening to it. In reality, it's quiet there, when they have these moments of like, congratulations, and you know in real time it's actually really quiet and awkward. And it's also like sometimes Ariana is definitely like just saying her lines, right?

She's like as a host, she's moving beats. But like when they made her, when they announced Iris and Pepe, which is like the fourth, third runner up, I guess, which is still good. But it was like in that time, they were like basically lost. Like they were lost. Like how do you feel? Like wow.

How are you guys feeling? They're like, yeah. We feel lucky to be bad. They feel bad. We're in fourth place. We just lost. So actually we're like shit. The producers is just, you know,

feeding Ariana lines that, you know, it's just like, I don't know if she would have asked that. Do you think, well, I was wondering the whole time if it was Memorize or it's her in-ear, because I was like, she's probably not in front of a teleprompter, is it in-ear? No, my guess is she has some hearing device, you know. That would be, there's already so many voices

in my head personally, so like, how do you keep track of that and say it on, like at a, how do you separate? Like which one is like that personality and which one is the in-ear? It's not as easy as some might think. When we did After Sun, her and Sally both had like ears and Morris and I was the only one that wasn't. I'm like, I wanna hear.

I'm just sitting there trying to talk to them and they just start to like, they do like the far off look and they're like, uh-huh. And I'm like, okay. Once again, it's the ear thing that I'm not a part of. It's very miscongeniality. It's like touching it and be like that. It is, it is, it is.

Did you know that you no longer, just before we get into Little Island, but now that I've been traveling a lot lately, I think we've been on, I have to figure it out because I think we've been on like more than 50 flights. More than 50? Yeah, I feel a little, like I always feel honored when we go through TSA PreCheck,

but you no longer have to take off your shoes. At select airports. Do we know which airports? Oh, only select now? It said select airports in the article that I read. I was like, well, what is, can you give me a list? The only thing I have going for me now with TSA is that now I don't see my laptop out.

Oh yeah, I know. That seems like one benefit now. I finally got TSA like a year ago and now I'm like, for what? Well, it's- The laptop. Let's remove uniformity and do different things at different airports but for any millennials listening, the origin of having to take your shoes off

is a guy put a bomb in his shoes and then tried to light it on a flight. So I mean- Is that the origin? Yeah. Serious question. I mean it just sounds like- 20 years ago he had a bomb in his shoe and he was being sketchy and people smelled matches and they went up to him and he was being sketchy and people smelled matches and they went up to him

and he was trying to light. Luckily he was so nervous he sweat through his shoe so the bomb was rendered useless. If he had not been so sweaty, could have been a different story. So I'm confused why we're rolling that, it's annoying but it's also in place for a reason. Right, but I feel like maybe the technology

20 years ago versus now. It's the scanning technology that they have now to be able to detect it. A little different. I'm grateful I don't have to see any more bare feet walking through. That was always a no-go for me. That screening process of the TSA pre-check is basically you just go to a Walgreens, answer a few questions, and then apparently you're no longer a threat. That's true. I went to the Staples. No more.

We went to Staples too. We went to the Staples. Okay more. We went to Staples too. We went to the Staples. Okay, sorry. Shut up Staples. Yeah. Nick actually recently lost his wallet in New York. So flying back from New York, he was like, he didn't have any identification.

A little terrifying. I felt bad. Oof. So we had to like go super early. He's like, hey, I don't have any, he's like, I have a picture of my passport. I have a credit card with that name on it. They're like, none of that's gonna work.

None of that's gonna work. They're like, we have to call somebody, we're gonna ask you some questions, you can't use your phone, you can't cheat on any answers, they're gonna verify that you're a real person and then we'll let you go first. What? No, but then she goes, if you don't get them right,

then you're not going anywhere. They're like, what's Natalie's eye color? And she closes her eyes. They really set it up that I'm gonna be tested. It ended up being really simple and easy. It was like, do you remember where you were born? Do you know the county in which your house is located? And can you name the make and model of a car

that's in your name? Was essentially the questions I got. But before they got those questions, you cannot use your phone. Oh my gosh. Well, lately I feel like pre-check, the lines are almost as long and yes, you don't have to take your laptop out,

but it is kind of like, what is the, what are we doing? I do feel like it's definitely, every time we've been to the airport, I feel like the regular line is always way longer than TSA pre-check. And I'm always like, oh thank God we got that TSA pre-check. Well now you gotta get the digital ID or something. If you're in LA and New York,

I think TSA feels kinda crazy still, but other airports where they don't seem to know. Where they don't seem to know that TSA PreCheck's a thing? Yeah. Or it's just like, you know, I mean, I think LA and New York has a lot of frequent flyers and people who are just like flying often for business. And so those types of people like will get the Benny's of an airport where like I think

like you know middle America airports it's you know you might fly twice a year I mean I feel like even when I'm flying LAX it's everyone's first day on this planet so that's great for your experience though. A lot of first day earthers I've been encountering, particularly the airport, I'm like, what are we doing? What's going on here? What have you seen recently? I mean, just people who even in the TSA pre-checks, so you would assume that they fly more frequently

than people that don't have it, of just not knowing what they're doing and putting this in the bin, take off your big giant coat, like do, and I don't know, they just seem very confused about what's going on. Always, the belt. Oh man, take off that. Well, so why do you have a belt on?

Why are you wearing, get pants that fit? What are you doing? Being an adult. Have y'all listened to Justin Bieber's new album? Yeah, I now have. He really said, McGee, copy and paste. And I'm not mad at it because I love McGee, but like it is verbatim the same.

You think? Yeah. Okay. I do think. But I love Justin Bieber and I love McGee, so I'm not complaining. But I was just like, oh my God, this is like. I love it. I think it's, everyone has said like,

this is the most Justin Bieber album, you know? Like obviously all of his previous albums had like, Scooter Braun tied to it or other people in his ear telling him what type of music he should make and that type of stuff. So I think this is truly like who he is today. And I do think it's very elevated and a really good switch up.

It's music that we wanna put out in the house and like just kick back and relax and listen to. What did you think about his, you're not clocking it interlude, honestly. I was genius. I mean, like that went like so viral and it's so true Like we weren't fucking clocking it. We don't we like we forgot who Justin Bieber was we're like, oh my god I know he's sitting at home. He's smoking weed around his baby. Like he sucks. Like what is he doing? He's a loser

He lost all his money. His wife's a breadwinner. No, it's Justin fucking Bieber bitch. Are you not clocking it? Very making an elbow period. He's been making an album. He's been busy, swag. It's pretty good. Yeah. Well, we have a jam packed episode locked in for you. Taylor and Clark from Love Island are in studio and will be joining us shortly to talk about

their experience and everything that they went through on Love Island as well. And we have a banger of a week. Tomorrow's going deeper. Get locked and loaded people. I'm not ready. I'm not even ready. We're not also ready. I'm not ready.

And then we also just, it's a jam packed week because there's so much Love Island content to get to. We got Bachelor in Paradise as well. We got all these other shows going on. We're gonna have a special bonus on Friday. So we're here all week. Get ready, tune in. We just got so much content for you.

I hope you all enjoy. All right, let's just get into the finale of Love Island. Listen, I like this season. I know it wasn't last season. I know we didn't have the PPG lovefest of all the relationships, but I was entertained all season, fuck it. I was.

I know we didn't get movie night, kind of a bummer, whatever. We'll scratch that itch next season, but I was locked in every episode. Even if I was complaining, I was a boy. Exactly. It felt like at times it was very toxic or with the hood of it all, but she really did the most this season.

And she drove me crazy, but I was entertained by her. She did give us great television. Here's the thing about Huda, and I think that's why people have, a lot of people have come around on her, and I think she's always had a very strong fan base. And this isn't a criticism to anyone else on the show, but it's reality TV, and we all know

how it can be scary to go on reality TV and just be our most authentic selves. Like the best reality TV we want as fans, right, is to just show us, all right, you signed up for us, show us the real shit, like show us your real reaction to this moment and how you would act without thinking there are cameras on and blah, blah, blah. Like that's the dream, right?

And no one does that anymore. Like say what you want about Huda. Maybe we have notes. Maybe there's things that we would have said, oh, I would have done that differently. Maybe, I don't know. But I think we all very much believe that what we saw from Huda is who Huda is.

And we, yeah. And like she didn't edit herself. She seemed to be wanting to like make changes throughout the show. We saw someone even in real time to be like, I don't know, maybe I got a little bit better. And I think whatever we think of Huda, you know that's her. And I think with some of the other people on the show, And I think whatever we think of Huda, you know that's her.

And I think with some of the other people on the show, it's like we think we like them, but I also think we're seeing people where it's just like, yeah, we understand, because we would have done the same thing. They put their best foot forward. They maybe edited themselves a little bit, showed a little bit more emotional control

in difficult moments. And Huda was just like, I'm gonna just show you how I wanna, this is how I'm acting, this is how I'm feeling. And I think that's what, you can trust that. And I think that's why she has so many strong fans because like we wanna see ourselves through these characters and if you see yourself through Huda

or relate to like having been Huda, cause I know I've been Huda. You know, like you wanna offer her some grace because she's really shown you who she is, for better or worse. Yeah, I think that the relatability is something that is more rare on reality TV, which is such a bummer. Same with Amaya, like she just is such a genuine person.

That's like just how she is. And, you know, like she said, maybe you're not the book, or she's not the book you should be reading or whatever, I love her so much. But I think some people, I mean, maybe that's how they really are, but some like really held back and were very poised and very put together.

And I'm just like, is this just how you are? Or are you just in a way being very image conscious about how you're gonna come across? And that's just not fun to watch. Who do you think was most guilty of that? I mean, I don't know. I feel like at times like Shelly and Alondria were very, like, I mean, Alondria's just got that like beautiful face,

the posture, she's just very put together, but you're just like, you saw her kind of crack one time. You're like, there's, there she is. And I'm not saying she's, that's the person that she is, but I'm just like, I wish people would just kind of just not be so concerned about what, I don't know. I think that the experience was just a little yeah I don't fault them for that because again, I I just it's just more giving credit to the people like Huda and Amaya who really Didn't edit themselves because I feel like I would have been more like Shelley and I'm with you

I feel Shelley played it more close to the vest, she was more reserved, I get it. But it's like, we don't really know, we love everything we see about Shelley. But we don't really, with Huda, we've seen the good and the bad. We've seen the like, okay, well, this is how she acts when she gets upset. Okay, fair enough, all right.

And we don't know how a lot of these people act if they just say, I'm fucking triggered right now. What did you think of the, I'm gonna count to three and if you don't turn over, is this really worth me like being in a bad mood tomorrow? I just kind of shook my head. I was just like, she's gonna regret that one. She's gonna regret that one.

Just because you can't just walk it back. I feel like she constantly was doing that. She was putting her foot in her mouth and then being like, trying to act like everything was normal. And I think just, I recognize in her sometimes like a regulation problem. Like she has like a hard time regulating herself

and I can relate to that so much. I curled up in the fetal position when she did that because it was just so cringe. And then she doubled down on the date and was like, well, we both did things wrong. Did we? Did both of us? Yeah, him being like, I didn't appreciate Nick called this out, him being like, you know,

a victim kind of sitting at the table and being like, you know, yeah, like I knew you were gonna do this. You know, I'm not the whole, like, are you gonna make me walk in the water or carry me? He's like, I'm not carrying you. I think he should have carried her. He should have carried her. I think for Chris, it's like, are you gonna make me walk in the water or carry me? He's like, I'm not carrying you. It's crazy. I think he should have carried her.

He should have carried her. He should have. I think for Chris, you can't have it both ways. You can't do like, oh, I knew you were gonna say that. I knew you were gonna break up with me. I just wanted you to say it and act like kind of indifferent and then go back to your boys and then like talk shit. He's like, there's so many red flags.

About the red flags where you act like she broke your heart and you're just like too salty to like move on and your feelings are hurt. And I liked the Chris that was like, yeah, I'm hurt by this and no, I don't wanna be your friend right now. I can't be your friend. That at least seems honest.

Like yeah, but just don't go back to your boys and act like she's the problem and you've done nothing wrong. Him and Huda have that in common, I guess. She was always telling a different story than just something that just happened. Like when she asked Shelly about having that talk, and Shelly's like, I don't want to talk tonight,

I'm triggered, you know, whatever. She went back, she goes, she doesn't want to talk to me. It's like, no, that's not what she said. Yeah, bring it back. When she said, I just want to be friends, his voice certainly went up a few octaves. And then he definitely had a different energy when he was with his friends.

Are y'all on team Huda or team Chris with the like, you don't wanna show me any sort of PDA but then as soon as the lights go off. Chris is, yeah, for sure. Like that was strange. And I understand what she was trying to say. She was like, I wanna move differently with this one because obviously with Jeremiah,

she went balls to the wall, but it's just, that's not what's happening. It also felt a little contradictory, because she's like, I want you to put your arms around me, and I want you to be the one who wants to touch me and grab me, and I want my man obsessed with me. And then you're like, but don't do anything in front of anyone.

But I'm pretty sure, and I don't know, maybe you would know, because you, like I don't know if Ariana shared with you, but I think when the lights go off, I think it's pitch black in those rooms. And I think they have night cameras. And when they show us these black and white images, we obviously can see them.

But I think it really is pitch black in there. Like even when their eyes regulate, they still can't see. No, I don't. Maybe it's really dark either way, but I'm just saying in Hood, again, like just putting yourself in her shoes in this crazy atmosphere that she's a part of, I don't think they fully,

well again, we've been watching this whole season. Hood has been in this, literally this island off the grid for six weeks. And maybe, I remember when we, on Bachelor in Paradise, you see these night vision cameras, but you don't really know how they're gonna be used. And you don't really know how clear they are.

In her mind, she could be totally thinking, these are black rooms, we're under the covers. I'm just saying, I just wanna move carefully because I've been criticized amongst my friends where all these cameras are, and I could just see, you know what I'm saying? From that standpoint, I can see her point of view. I see the point of view,

but I just still don't understand the logic because it's like everyone knows they're hooking up, and they can hear them right next to it, but I just don't understand. Like if you want somebody to be that way with you in the dark, and they need a little bit more from you in the daylight, like there needs to be compromise. She just is unwilling to compromise.

Her pole work. Incredible. Wow, yeah. Anytime she shakes her ass, I mean incredible. Incredible. Wow, yeah. Anytime she shakes her ass. I mean, incredible. I gasped when she was wearing the yellow and green bathing suit. I was like, oh my God. No.

Wow, good for you. Yeah. Didn't she come down that pole upside down? Yeah. She's, yeah. The heart rate challenge, I was just like, yeah, this is not the first time she's done this. They're like flipping the, I think everyone's doing the,

like the handstand, butt in the man's face. Like everyone trying to like do that on their partner, like seeing if they can do what Huda can do. And I'm sure very humbling for everyone involved. Yeah. Do you think you could do that? Do you want to try? Do you want me to try right now?

Yeah, do it. Okay, great. Maybe another time. Amaya Happy has never made me happier. I don't think Amaya's happy. She gave me happy tears at the end. Oh, so many happy tears. Just the way she's so appreciative of finding love.

Could you imagine if Brian took all the money? No, I couldn't because I feel like- It needs to be a million dollars. They really are each other's match, I feel, because- They really do. I think they come from similar upbringings and family life and they appreciate the same things. So I just, I think they're the same person.

I could never have pictured him doing that. I don't think there's a world in which they can break up. No. He might have to marry her. I think they will. I see them end game. They seem like a good fit. No, he has, yeah.

Wait, are you guys in Nicolandria? No. Don't believe it. Thank you. One ounce. I like them both, but like, I was like, have I been watching a different show? They keep talking about these signs that were there along.

And I was like, I- Your girl Ariana, yes. She was like, I know. She was like, I saw her from the beginning. I'm like, what did you see? Okay, I will say, I will say, when they initially got kicked out of Casa and all that, and then they were like, you guys can couple up,

or you can go home. And I was like, oh, this could be interesting. Maybe I could see this. But then when they like made out and they were like, mm-mm. Brother and sister vibe. I was like, I then when they like made out and they're like, mm-mm. Brother and sister vibes. I was like, I can't get past that. And they're like, and then everyone wants to like fill in blanks.

They're like, no, it's because of this person. It's because, no, they don't like each other. Like that. And then all their families came and they're like, hey, everyone loves you guys together. You could win, wink, wink. But it's just, I don't know, it was just, it was always very posy and

very forced. I also feel like they keep trying to like prove that their fan favorites, like even with like the letters from America, you know, like they didn't do that for anyone else. And it's like, you know, their family's coming in and telling them how much everyone loves them. And then they're getting all these letters from America being like, Oh God, the way they're like really trying to convince the two of them that like.

And the weird like hero shots of them, like posing and like making out, but their bodies look all like stiff and. On top of the rock. Yeah, it was weird. I just was like, what, what is happening? Well, and all the, yeah, it felt very like the show is gaslighting them into when

they're reading the letters. Also, can we talk about how Huda and Chris, their date was so lame as compared to the other dates. And when the singer came out, the wave during that entire thing was so, why did they do that? Huda goes, oh, there's a performer. I thought it was like her mom or something.

Like I thought it was a family member coming to see them or a friend. And then she's like, oh, we have entertainment. And they're both just like. This show really reminds you just like, not to get all morbid, but when you die, people move the fuck on.

I don't care what. I don't see how that relates, but maybe you could close that loop. In this world, TJ died. Sierra, you know, we kicked off. Like these people moved on so fucking fast. Like for all we know, TJ was still like in a hotel room 20 minutes later and he's dead.

He's like he never- He's making TikToks in LA. Literally, and I cannot- He's fine, but they have moved the fuck on. I need Zach from Casa Amor, not the one who tried to be with Iris. I don't know, Zach H, Zach B, Zach C, something. I need him off of my For You page.

He is constantly doing lip syncs. Yes. The nose ring? Yes, he's always with JD. And JD is a face that I would be fine if I never had to see again. And like, they're constantly on my For You page. And they gotta go.

JD's doing a like, you like to be dominant, huh? Like remix soundtrack. Who is JD? Which one is JD? JD was the one with Huda who's like, you like to be dominant, huh? You like to be dominant.

And she was like, what are you doing? It was awful. And everyone's like, why is she smiling? I barely remember him. See, I'm an Iris Pepe fan. I love them. I think they are the real like friendship to lovers story because they did come in there together

and they have been like, you know, more so than Nickelodeon. TJ is like three days removed from thinking like, I'm gonna end up with this girl after the show. And now I would be shocked if she remembers his name. Yeah, because with Pepe right there, I mean. Yeah. I mean, think about it.

Like when Iris was in the mix with Jeremiah and Hoda and it was craziness, like she kept going back to Pepe and Jalen to like, you know, vent to them or like, they were her safe place. So it does make sense that she has such friendship, comfortability, like foundation with Pepe that they could really, and they're both in LA, right?

It's like somewhere, yeah. Do they tell the bombshells when coming in, being like you can't like each other? Because I feel like the bombshells when they're walking in, they're like, they look really good together, but it's like they don't even look at each other as options, but everyone is an option in the island. I don't know.

I feel like at first, my guess is a bombshell you're supposed to couple up with the. But like TJ and Iris were both bombshells, so like after. But I mean like the ones that come in together. Yeah, because then how would they fit them if they were both bombshells and they were like, actually we're gonna add another couple.

I would have been really bombed if I had to go in with Pepe and I'd be like, man. Yeah. Have you seen everyone doing, they're going to the hair salon and asking for Pepe and I'd be like, man. Yeah. Have you seen everyone doing, they're going to the hair salon and asking for Pepe blonde? Yeah. I love it.

I'm on Zach dancing with JD TikTok and also Pepe like slow motion, like videos with like daddy's home. And like all these videos of Pepe just being like so. I was on the Pepe train early. You were on the Pepe train. I love it. I just like, they're just like, everyone's like,

they're so boring. I'm like, they're just not problematic. They just chill. They also match each other's energies very well. I can see them working out. So you believe in Pepe and Iris? Oh yeah. I do feel like Hannah though,

was holding on for such hope because Pepe with Grayson was like, sorry, like I just keep thinking about Hannah, like Hannah, Hannah's in the back of my head and just like Hannah and Hannah was posting TikToks being like, oh, here he is. And then now, well, of course. Turns out it was always Iris.

Moved on quickly. The body wasn't even called and he was like. But Hannah also like had one of the biggest meltdowns when Charlie left, like that. And then she moves weird too. She should really not be side eyeing Pepe when she kind of did the same thing. So were she side eyeing Pepe?

Well, just with like with the TikToks saying like, oh really? Okay, period. When she basically, remember she was like, sobbing to the picture. Yeah. Photo booth on the bed. like, oh really, okay, period. When she basically, remember she was like, just- Sobbing to the picture. Her, yeah. Photo booth on the bed.

They're all great characters. Charlie came into something about her. He did? I went in there last weekend and he was in there. Did you meet him? Yeah, I was like, oh my God, I was just watching him. How does he look in person? He's a very good looking person, tall,

very nice in the face, better-looking in person than on the TV. He's into blondes. Did you wanna introduce your dear friend, Aiden? He might be a little young. Probably all set. Wait, why, you can't. Yeah, what do you mean?

No offense, I'm not into younger people. Not even for a good time? No, no. No, we go older. That was Katie's former thing, but I, no. I tried it, it wasn't for me. You like them older? Yeah. Period. Or at least my age, yeah, it's just. I tried it, that was Katie's former thing, but I, no, I tried it, it wasn't for me. You like them older? Yeah. Or at least my age, yeah, there you go.

I don't know how old Charlie is. Also, anyone who was a contestant on Love Island is just probably not for me, I would say. In general. Probably have some different values and whatnot. Right. It was just for fun, for funsies. What did you guys think of Parent Night?

I liked it. My favorite one was obviously Amaya and Brian's family. I thought that was really cute. Nick being like, this is such military dads coming home. Like I love a good homecoming. Oh, I always cry. I never skip those videos. They're all so emotional.

Yeah, they're just like, you know, these people are like ripped away from, again, their entire support system. are like ripped away from, again, their entire support system. So like getting to see these people, it really is an emotional period for these people. Do you see Nick? Nick, is that, did we figure out if that's true that live that Nick's family? It wasn't live, it was his sister who posted it.

His sister posted like some Q&A with their mom in the car. And apparently, Nick, this is what his sister and his mom said, this is like something I read somewhere, that he was a sperm donor to like his lesbian friends. And they were like, did you know that you're a grandmother? And she was like, I did know, yeah. And it was a very noble thing that he did. And no, he doesn't just donate sperm left and right.

This was something he did for people who get it. It was like- Well, he kind of- Well, he kind of- He said that when the whole Mamacita thing, he shared that with Huda. He did? Yeah, he talked about donating sperm.

Okay, he did. No, he shared it. He told Huda that he had a friend and he helped them out when she told him that she was a mom. Well, now we have more context, wow. Oh my God, where were we? Do you feel like? How did that get glossed over?

Cause you were laughing at mama's eat? We were talking human it is Nick's favorite time to discuss something is in the middle of like a big fight or like like Dialogue moment during a show it's like his favorite time to be like oh, this is my opinion on this I'm like this is not the time at all pause if you want to have a discussion But I'm always like h hush, wait, they're fighting. You can't talk. I do do that sometimes. But now Nick's family, it's crazy with Love Island

because I just, like, Amaya's journey, it's great. Her family seems like just there to support her. Nick's family seems wonderful, but they're already like online. You know what I'm saying? Like- Is mom leaving and going, mommy's little meatball. Oh.

That was a tough beat. That was a tough one. It's giving like the family that is also on like cameo as being like the mom of this person. Yeah. Yeah, it's to give these kids a chance to just go ahead and be famous on their own before, it's like the Von Traps, you know?

I did love seeing Alondria and her mom together. They were so, I was like, I need a little more of this. This is really cute. Oh yeah, I love this. She's like, mom, I love to cuss. Yeah. That was funny. She's like, I know.

She's like, yeah, you do. I know. They're really cute. I like their back and forth. Who else came that was a good? Huda's sisters came. Oh a good? Who did sisters came? Oh, Ace's brother and sister came. Shelly's parents.

Didn't both of her parents come? They were so lovely. Oh, but her dad was so funny when she's like, yeah, he actually reminds you a lot of your dad. And he's like, he like did not wanna be there. He's like, what is this? Wait, who were you just saying didn't wanna? Oh, that was on Beyond the Villa. We watched the first episode.

Oh, I watched the first episode too. What did you think? I liked it. I mean, I like all of them so much. Like, I don't know. Kayla's just right back to being, you know, and I'm into it. There was some scene work going on.

Yeah, but I'm into it. Sierra, made a good point. Why don't you make it? Okay, mom. No, I said it kind of reminded me of early reality television like MTV the Hills Laguna Beach where it was like you guys don't Really care about this drama as much as you're making it seem but it's like it's fun. It's like it's mindless television It's just like situational drama that like really doesn't matter and like I'm here for it There was a part where it was when it was Liv Kayla Kendall Connor and Connor.

Didn't you date Connor? We went on one date. Yeah. Your ex? Yeah, how do you feel about your ex being on a new show? I don't even categorize it that way. No, I did clock when he said that he's like- I forgot about that.

He was talking about someone that he was seeing and he's like, I'm not gonna say who it was because I went on some dates. Was that who they were referring to you? He's like, and like it got some tension. I was like. And I were like, no offense Connor, but like I missed that headline.

And then now I did it actually. Somebody was told on us at the bar we went to and it became like this really, yeah. He definitely freaked out a bit. Oh, there was a moment where they were doing the scene and like Kendall looked at Liv, it was like, hey, you're a liar, say you're lying. That's how it looked.

He like said something and immediately looked at Liv as if she was supposed to say something and he was waiting for her to deliver it. I like low stakes drama. Like they're fighting about a camera, great. Yeah. The discourse back and forth works for me because it's just, I don't know,

it's not like watching the valley where it's really dark, you know? Speaking of the valley, how long have you known Jeremy Maddox? I mean, well enough. You see his recent comments about Jason taking his ring off. I did see that.

You named the bar and he takes his ring off that. Yeah, but I remember he, yeah, I just see that. Justin Casos to be exact. Oh yeah, it was Justin seeing that. Yeah, but I remember he, yeah, I just see that. Justin Casos to be exact. Okay, it was Justin Casos. Not there anymore. RIP, love that place. Anyway, so yeah, do you feel like, should we be listening to Jeremy

when it comes to these rumors? I mean, it's hard to say. I don't know, I don't think, I don't necessarily believe it. So it's kind of like, maybe I'm looking at it through my own lens, but I don't know what is going on with him being in the mix of all of that if I were Ariana I know your friends are there so you got to try that way. I would fucking hate it

I mean wasn't it like rumored that he was gonna be on the next season or something? Yeah, he might be but I don't know I feel confused sometime a while ago before the valley was filming I saw him popping up at different things or like when when he got engaged, he went to Sheena's. And obviously Sheena's known him for a really long time. But it just, it felt confusing. It was like, I've never seen you hang out with these people before. I mean, like he did, but just kind of via Ariana.

Yeah. And I know him and Jax got real close for a while, but like, I don't know. I mean, I try to stay far away from that. Isn't that kind of a red flag, though? like anybody who's getting close to Jax, Taylor? Yeah. Bye twice. Yes. Okay.

Literally. Who are you friends with the most on the Valley? Like, who do you talk to, to anyone? The one I talk to the most? Yeah. And this is still Minimals. He's not really, but Tom Schwartz, I guess, is technically chasing to it. Perfect.

So nobody, not a cast member. No. Your ex-husband. And I mean, like, yeah, sometimes Janet and I talk, but like, I haven't seen our, or like, we haven't like, keyed in a minute. The whole like, they're escaping the country, and then it's like, we're on vacation

and so what's our winter something? It doesn't even make sense, because the internet is also in wherever they are. Yeah, and I mean, like, and everything, and then Chris and I talk too. So, but the only one I'm like in frequent communication with is Tom, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't describe it as,

I'm friendly with Brittany and Kristen and Janet, but other than that. Yeah, I don't really know the other, I remember like hanging around like Jessie and Michelle, and Michelle was always really sweet. Jessie, I never liked him. He gave off the worst vibes imaginable and like, yeah, I just, good for her for getting out of that.

Yeah. Really? It is a dark show though. It's hard to watch. Yeah, so that's why I like the Beyond the Villa. I think it's perfect because it's just, it's low stakes. They're just having fun. They're young and-

Have you watched Next Gen at all? Yeah, actually I was, I watched like the first like two or three episodes. Apparently there's rumors that they're casting in LA next year. I heard that, but I'm into first two or three episodes. Apparently there's rumors that they're casting in LA next year. I heard that, but I'm into it. I like it, I like all of them. I mean, I love Brooks, he's the best.

I guess Cynthia Bailey's daughter is rumored to be on the LA next-gen spinoff. Mary just said before we started recording that Sammy Sheen, if she's not on next-gen, they're doing something wrong. Denise Richards' daughter, like, oh yeah, she has to be. And she's a free agent Gen, they're doing something wrong. Denise Richards' daughter, she has to be. And she's a free agent, since they're not bringing back Denise and the other things.

Yeah, per, I'm guessing, divorce. Oh yeah, I forgot. It was always supposed to be a limited run. Limited as to one season. I don't think they'd say limited run, if it was just one season, they'd say one season only. A one-off. I think that's what they-

A mini-series. Yeah, that's what they'd say. Anyways, I think just one season, they'd say one season only. A one off. I think that's what they- A mini series. Yeah. Anyways, I think we have to have both the sisters or do you just cast Sammy and then like you get the other sister as like a bonus? I don't, I mean, if they hang out, I don't think they like each other very much. Aren't they beefing right now?

I heard something about that on TikTok. No, that's, it's pretty, you know, they, they, they don't pull punches. Yeah, no, they like to take their drama to the social media, to the platforms. Yeah. They like to. Wait, I have one more thing to bring up from the finale.

What did you guys all think about the dance at the end? What was that? Like, why did they do that? Was it choreography? Like, why were some of them doing the exact same, what was it? It was confusing for everyone. I mean, I think that it was like an homage.

I don't know, I understand the dancing, but like the moves, at one point they were doing like. Someone had to have told Huda that her intro, the way you make me feel is going viral because the way that she brought it back. Yeah. You know? Oh.

Someone had to have been like, hey, you should throw in this dance move because like everyone's. I don't like that. But they're doing it. You know that there's like a handler, there's some like lower level producer who's like getting buddy buddy with them

and giving them the tea of outside. The whole thing was to keep them so far removed from everything that's going on to the point when they do have their breaks and they have like lunch and they separate the guys and the girls or they turn on you and they have like a person come in, a production person or a therapist or someone to talk to them. They're not allowed to talk about anything that's happening in there.

There's no way, yeah. They're clearly not. They do so much to keep them in this world, to kind of start to pepper in that info would completely alter it. Well, we had Cassie from last season who was on, she was Bombshell, right, or Casa Amor? Was she not an OG? She was like a season before. Oh, last time she came in,

the last bombshell. Yeah. But she did like a TikTok saying that she had bombshells who came in, like telling people what was going on in the outside world. If it was going viral. Yeah, they try to mitigate that, but they will. And like, of course they'll want to ask them like,

what day did you come in on? Cause they lose track of day and time. Oh yeah. I feel like I would go insane. That would be so hard. no clocks, no nothing, and you're just, especially if you make it to the end. That's just what I'm saying. I just feel like, you know,

we get very entertained by these people, and I just think they all deserve a lot of grace just because they are thrown into. Because at, it's like a science experiment. At the bare minimum, they don't know what time it is or what day it is for an entire six weeks. Yeah, you would. And again, you're in constant flight or flight mode.

You're constantly not in a emotionally regulated state of mind while constantly poked and prodded, while there's always this overarching fear of what are people saying and thinking about us. And then at the producer's discretion, they can pick and choose and trickle in information out of context. And so I just, yeah.

They are ass a lot. They also don't, when you're watching some of the challenges or movie nights and whatnot, you're not aware that they've been filming this for five hours and that it's actually two in the morning and that they're still, it's almost like a weird torture experiment because it's like you're tired, but you have to finish filming.

So when people freak out at night and whatnot, it's because they're tired, they're a little drunk, they're like, I just wanna go to bed and you can't. Yeah, I was thinking about that with even the final dates, how the first two was during the day and then it was Chris and Huda and it was nighttime and then they all kind of got ready for bed and they're waiting by the fire pit

for Chris and Ha to come back. It's like, you know, it is so, and like Amaya and Brian were still gone. So it's like, you know, it was so late. You can tell that Nick was like trying really hard to stay awake. He was like, his eyes were like on fire. Nick needs to stop slicking back his hair.

Yes. And I say this to someone who like also has curly hair. There's some hairstyles you can't do. It's a little villainous looking. Yeah, and it's hair's so great and it's fluffed, just let the curls go, just let it just do your thing. I don't know who styled all those men in those tuxedos. Those were the four worst tuxedos

I've ever seen in my hair. The worst. They, I don't think they were very high quality tuxedos. Well, hopefully not, they all jumped in the pool. No. They all jumped in the pool. They were awful. I don't think they were very high quality tuxedos. Well, hopefully not, they all jumped in the pool. No. They all jumped in the pool. They were tearaways. I liked Huda and Iris's dresses the best.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, Andrea and Nick very much matched. They were very on theme with each other. Yeah. Well, we gotta let you go, Katie and Dana. Thanks for coming. You guys, and speaking of, we talked about your ex-boyfriend, your ex-husband,

but you do have, get your boyfriends on the show. It was last week. It was last week. Yeah. Well, if you wanna listen to Disrespectfully and Katie and Dana talk to Katie's new boyfriend. Nick. His name is also Nick.

It's easy for you to remember, yeah. They sent me a photo of Nick and them two, accidentally. Yeah, I did a group text and sent it and immediately realized, I was like, wrong Nick, nevermind, disregard. And he's like, great photo. No, this week we have on Jack Osborne. Speaking of early 2000s MTV.

So very excited to talk with him. We love Jack. Be sure to tune in disrespectfully every Wednesday. And Friday. Period, love that. Knock in these fucking episodes out. Okay, bye. All right, up next, the moment you've been waiting for. Friday. Period. Love that. Knocking these fucking episodes out. Okay, bye.

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Yeah, it's great to have you guys. Excited to talk with you. First of all, it's just congratulations on like, what is like an epic run on Love Island and arguably the most in love couple. Like a season of, I've been a fan of this season, I think a lot of fans will be fans, they'll share their opinions,

but it didn't seem to be a ton of connections and couples, it seemed to be a lot of friends, but you two, for whatever some fans say or don't say, you guys, the connection is clearly there and we are for one happy for you guys and I think it's obvious that you guys really enjoy each other's company. So it was very enjoyable to watch,

especially towards the end. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that for sure. How has it been since leaving the villa? It's been an adjustment. Coming back, like going into the villa, one person coming out the villa, whole different person. And then, you know, being disconnected from the world

for two months and then coming, jumping right back into it, like full headed team, it's not gonna lie, it was a lot. It's crazy. So have you guys tried to like ease into it? Like who have you talked to? Have you limited to like family and friends? Have you been on the phone diving deep, are you staying off the phone, what are what are some of y'all doing? So when we first got our phones back I think we

both were like family and friends only I don't even too much want to see what's going on on social media like. Good for you. Do you feel like you did that because of the whole like America voting thing, do you feel like you would have maybe gotten on your phone differently if those answers would have been different? I don't know. You don't know. Maybe. I mean, like, I feel like I would have did it the same way because it's just easy to get overwhelmed very quickly regardless.

So. Taylor, what about you? If the answer would have changed, I would still would have did the same thing. Like, you know, of course, like, family is one of like the most important things in my life and so like when I first get my phone back I wouldn't just top it up with the fam. Everything I miss over you know the two months I'm checking them like my niece and nephew see how they're doing and just see what all I miss over the two months with my fam and everything and then like the internet that can wait it's always gonna be there

you know like everything on the internet I'll see it sooner or later so I just want to top it up with my fam and make sure I'm locked in with them. That's smart, because also it just allows the fans to like chill out a little bit, you know? And by chill out, like they're just like, they love you guys, they love the show. And everyone's just like wants to get their two cents in. They'll, you know, like the dust will settle.

Your fans will be clear, they'll be loud, they'll support you guys and let all the other, right now it's just a big mess. I'd love to know, because so much about this show and what I love about the chance to get to speak to both of you is, as fans, as much as Love Island's on every night, there's so much we don't get to see, right? And then during Casa Amor, you guys met,

and certainly your connection was evident, but I also feel like part of the fans the fans frustrations or whatever they you know fans of Elandria were just more like it just like it felt like watching it which I'm sure it wasn't overnight you guys making connections I'd love to hear you guys just kind of speak on like how things started and when you guys really knew and what was it that really made you go oh shit man like there's something here because a props to you, I really wanna say Taylor, so much of this show, as fans,

we want people to be authentic, we want them to be real, and as soon as they go against the grain, and as soon as they make a choice for themselves, fans are just kinda like, fuck this, and oh my god. Yeah, we love Alandria. I was a huge fan of hers, we all had some fun with your decision. We were like, oh my God.

We didn't know Clark at the time. She just showed up. Thanks. But you made a move that clearly was for you and I give props to you because you clearly knew, even in the villa, this was not something that you were doing for a popularity contest. You were doing it for yourself

and I just think that's something to respect. And you obviously got a great girl. And I'm just like, yeah, I'd love to hear your guys' story in CASA more, like things that we didn't get to see. I appreciate it. I'll just say like for me, walking in during CASA, I was so nervous. Like during the challenge, I literally was shaking,

like physically shaking, that's how nervous I was. And then our first like actual conversation, I think he can point to the fact that I was just a different person the first conversation, and then I got more comfortable, and then I opened up more, and we just kept having these amazing conversations, so. Yeah, so like, especially like when they first walked in, And then I opened up more and we just kept having these amazing conversations. Yeah, so especially when they first walked in,

that per-group challenge we had, we thought it was just like, you know, our regular girls, the seven girls that was in there, we were blindfolded, music blasting in our headphones, so we just, you know, we were just chilling, they were like, you know, just dancing to music. So me and A.C.E. just dancing, we were just doing our thing, just being our goofy selves and everything.

We kissed five girls and we just like, they're like, okay, take your blindfolds. And we're like, wait, where's the other two? We're missing two girls here. And then we took off our blindfolds and we see them and me and Ace look at each other, we were like, aw shit, what is gonna happen? And then Clark and Coco said my heart,

and I picked Coco at first. Then we saw. Yeah. And then she was coming over with Nick. Then me and her had a conversation that night. Cause I still wanted to get to know her. And we talked for like what, an hour and a half, two hours. And it was like an easy flowing conversation.

Like it was too easy. And then the next morning we got done making breakfast and we're just chilling. She came up and grabbed me and she was like, I just want to let you know, like, you know, like I want to pursue you and everything. And I was like, okay, cool. Like it was supposed to be like a quick conversation.

Just letting her let me know that she wanted to pursue me. And then it ain't go like that. Like I told her, okay, I'm gonna get ready. And then we went to the kitchen. I made her a coffee, had another convo. And I was like, okay, like I'm going to get ready for the day. Like change clothes, everything. Still didn't have, we talked from literally breakfast all the way to lunch. Like nonstop.

Like literally it was just like, we were just having easy conversations. Everything just kept flowing. And we're just like, I don't know. And after we had that conversation, I was like, I don't know, and after we had that conversation, I was like, you know, something may be here, just because I've tried to get away from it three times to get ready for my day, and I couldn't.

We kept having conversations, so it was just like, you know, something's definitely here. We just had more and more conversations, spent more time with each other, and now we're here. So what, I'd love to know your mindset, and because I think the fans are always fascinated. Going into CASA, where did you feel like your connection was at with Orlandria?

And when you go into an environment like CASA, I'm sure you've seen the show on some level. Are you guys anxious to meet the bombshells? Are you like, oh, the producers are gonna, like are you thinking, oh, I'm not gonna do anything, and then kind of be surprised that you meet someone, or some of the guys like, oh, dude, all right, bombshells, like, what is the mindset

that you were going in with? It was like, I wasn't even worried about meeting nobody in Kasa, to be honest. Well, it's like, you know what, me and Landry Havis strong, like I did, I really did like Landry, and we was rocking out, so I was just like, going into Kasa, I'm just like, I'm and we was rocking out. So I was just like going into Casa, I'm just like, wait for her to get back, call it a day.

And we took off our blindfold and we saw like the new Casa girls, we were all like mute. We were shocked. We were like, like it was the quiet. It was so quiet, y'all. We were saying- Like you can hear a pin drop in there.

Like we were so shocked. We was like, what is gonna happen? Like, yo, what? So it was not the plan for none of us to go, like we weren't excited for it. Like we were more shocked than anything, like, oh shit. Have y'all had a chance to watch anything back or y'all kind of like, I need a break from it all?

For me, I need a break from it all. It's also a lot, there's a lot of episodes. It's a lot of episodes to that part. Not to catch up on. How many hours is it? Is it an hour each episode? An hour, like 36 episodes. Crazy slot. It could be like three or four days,

I'll tell you that. You lived it, you know. Yeah, I've been here since day one, so I haven't seen like, not even the first episode, not even the opening scenes and stuff. So it's just like, it's gonna be a whole lot for me to watch, like go back and watch, but I am at some point, but. Yeah, not now.

I can't, I don't even wanna see myself. Or hear myself. Why? It's weird. It's crazy. At what point when you were making a connection with Clark, like what was your first thought of like, that this was something serious,

that you might actually switch up and pursue Clark and not Alandria? I have to say, when she brought that kid side out of me, and we're just like, I've always like, we had conversations and we'll be done. And it's like, damn, like I wanna talk to Clark again. And when I was having those thoughts in my head, I was just like, yeah, this is gonna be some trouble.

Tell me to clarify, cause obviously Alandria threw a little change away when you said that kid comment. But can, but can you clarify what you mean by like that kid side? Like that, what is that part of you? And when you're talking, you feel like, yeah, this is where I want to be. Like this is the first time. It's like, you know, feeling giddy, excited. And it's just like that feeling.

Like when you were a kid and you got no responsibilities and you just, you know, outside just playing, having fun, like no worries in the world. Like that was like the feelings I was having was when I was with like Clark having those conversations and just seeing her around the villa on the other side of the villa, I just like wave it like, ah, like even though I'm talking to the gang and it's just like, for me to have that feeling is weird because I've never had that feeling before. Like I've always been cool with, you know, we chop it up cool, we go our separate ways. I see you and I see you. It wasn't like that with her. It was like.

We just kinda missed her in a way. Yes, definitely. Have you had a chance to talk to any of the castmates who've left since or before you left? I have. How's that been? It's been cool. You know, seeing, I saw Austin, Charlie, TJ,

Ace, Shelley, I saw Ma. So, TJ, Ace, Shelly. I saw them all. So yeah, it's been fun. Were you shocked to see Ace and Shelly get voted off? Absolutely. Oh my God. I was definitely shocked to see them get voted off. That really. Yeah, what did you think about all that?

BS. Man. Say more. BS. BS again, BS again. No, they were asking us like, who do y'all think are like, the possible winners are gonna be, whatever, whatever.

Ace and Shelly were asking you or? No, no, no, like interviews and stuff like that. And we would say Ace and Shelly every time. And then we found out later that day. Gone. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So were you shocked to see Amaya and Bryan as the winners or were you kind of like that's, yeah.

I definitely expected it. Same. Yeah. Like if it wasn't Ace and Shelly, it was gonna be Amaya and Bryan. I mean, Ace and Shelly really felt like one of the most natural couples from the beginning. I just think, while you guys were going on the villain, I'm sure you've heard this already

from some of the interviews that you've done, but a lot of fans decided that Ace seemed like he was running the show and a big personality there. And then these rumors about Shelly and Ace, I think were mostly just rumors, kinda came out. And I think, yeah, fans just decided almost as if, they're almost like, I don't like they, I don't know, I maybe didn't like latch onto their story

or maybe this got like an unfair fan reaction where it was just like, you know, Ace is in charge and people were talking, you know, it was like he almost had too much control. And I felt like people never really got to like get invested in their story, almost like, because honestly they didn't get closed off to the very end. And there was that part where,

Shelly was getting upset with Chris. It was like, wait, I thought you were Ace. And I think there was a little bit of that where it almost felt like, you guys locked in right away. And whatever the fans said, it was like, oh, well, Taylor and Clark, they like each other. Say what you want, but that is obvious.

And I don't know if Ace and Shelly played it too close to the vest or something. There were a lot of moments where I was like, man, they are cute together. But again, it wasn't a lot of those moments. I don't know. I mean, me and Ace, we had conversations about him closing off with Shelly

before I was thinking about closing stuff off with her. As soon as they got right back from Casa, Ace was like, I'm thinking about closing things off with Shelly, like before I was thinking about closing stuff off with her. You know, it was like as soon as they got right back from Casa, Ace was like, you know, I'm thinking about closing things off with Shelly. Then the whole Chris situation happened, so they put a pause into that, but Ace really worked hard for Shelly. Like he put a whole lot of effort, you know, into getting Shelly and pursuing Shelly

when he wasn't even coupled up with her, you know, and I'm super happy that, you know, they are together now and they gonna work out because that is a power couple for sure. Do you believe Nicolandria? What do you mean by believe Nicolandria? Well. Well.

Well. Do you believe? Well, the fan, I mean, like, yeah, it's a relationship that a lot of fans online just decided that they saw a lot of connections between Nick and Alandrio. When you and Alandrio were coupled up and when Nick and Sierra were coupled up

and it was like a movement online that people were just like, I don't know. We just decided they're obsessed with each other. I didn't particularly see it. I saw friends just really respect each other. And then when Nick and Alandrio fake went home, there was that and then they tried it out It didn't seem to land. They said their kiss felt like a little brother and sister. They said that

But yeah, and then all the things that unfolded unfolded and I think there's a lot of you know You have the Nick Alandria fans who are like if we finally got what we want we believe in it Like, you know, that's why there are our runner-up and then there are other fans being like It's almost too much fan fans, opinions inserting themselves into the villa. So, you know, that's what we mean. I mean, so of course, you know, Nick was one of Landry's picks. They won. And then like the next day we had a challenge,

whatever, and they, they kiss each other other and then they kiss each other multiple times in the challenges. So it was definitely physical attraction there between both of them. Me and Nick spoke about it and Nick expressed like, oh he does find a lingerie attractive and whatever. And then they, you know, Faye went home, came back, Nick asked me like, yo, do you care if I score a lingerie?

And I was like, no, go ahead. And he was like, okay, cool, I just didn't wanna feel weird about it, like me, it's porn, like without telling? And I was like, no, like go ahead. And he was like, okay, cool. I just didn't want to like feel weird about it. Like me exploring her without telling you. I was like, no, you're good. Go ahead and explore her. So he went to explore her, they kissed. He came back and told me he was like,

ain't nothing there. Like we tried it and nothing's there. So I was like, okay, cool. But I think that was because at the time Sierra was still in his head and for a Landry maybe I was still in her head because I was like right, you know, right during Kosta. So that's maybe the reason why they didn't feel

that romantic connection. And then when they got coupled up, the last time after Sierra left, you know, me and Nick had conversations about their connection or whatever. And he was like, you know, right now, there's nothing romantic with our connection, but he's given it a chance and seeing if it's growing and then I left the

villa. So I had no more update after we had that conversation. But from the looks of it, like after, after me leaving, it looks like, you know, there is something romantic there. They at least seem to be open to trying it out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you guys are the antithesis of this because you guys did you,

regardless of what people thought. And again, mad respect because it's not easy to do that. But do you at least, do you acknowledge it or do you think no one in the villa feels pressure by what they think fans think and feel? And do you feel like that affected people's moves? And even if like Nick and Alandria are like, you know what, fuck it. Like if the fans want us to give us a shot, like there's mutual respect, there's a foundation

of friendship. Maybe they are just giving it a shot because they, even their families are like, we think you guys should date. Do you feel like there's pressure there for cast to try to explore that, you know, given outside influence? You know, in the villa, we don't have any access to the outside world, so we don't know what is going on outside world.

So I wouldn't say like, you know, their input is affecting our decisions, because we don't even know what's going on. Okay, okay. Do you guys ever hear anything? No, like. Literally nothing. We don't hear nothing, like, yeah.

Clark, were you watching the show before you went in as Kasa? Yeah. So did't hear nothing, like, yeah. Were you, Clark, were you watching the show before you went in as Kasa? Yeah. So did you kind of have like your opinions on your cast before you joined the cast? I did, yeah. Did anyone change your opinion when you got there? Not really, because I knew it would be different going in,

so I tried not to have strong opinions, but it's very different living it than watching it, I'll say that. Really? Who, if anyone, made you feel really welcomed? Especially after the way you came in, it must've been very intimidating. Yeah, but who, if we didn't get to see it,

who made your experience outside of Taylor more enjoyable? Honestly, all of the girls were very welcoming, but Amaya and Iris immediately, like immediately spoke to me. Amaya apologized for like her reaction to like, you know, the recoupling situation. Oh, sure, sure, sure. She did. And yeah, everybody, I was cool with everybody.

That's great. Was the Huda drama of it all as dramatic in person as it was watching it? Her with Jeremiah, her with Chris, her with- Okay. Oh, shut up. Yeah, I really liked it when Taylor, it was that night where Jeremiah coupled up with Iris

and you were kind of like- Don't talk to him. Don't do it. And you kind of, you tried to good copper. You went into the speakeas and you're like, what are you doing? And she was like, let me finish. Man, cause we just had a conversation like 30 seconds before that.

And she was like, I'm not going to speak to him. I'm like, bro, like leave it alone. Like we don't, y'all don't have to go back down this tunnel. Like at this point y'all going your separate ways, just let it be. Y'all can be cordial with each other, but y'all don't need to try to rekindle it. Nancy, you know, I heard that in the speakeasy having a conversation. I'm like, I just talked to you 30 seconds ago. I was like, what is going on?

Do you feel like Huda grew from her experience and do you feel like she tried to learn from her mistakes while going through the villa? Because it must be, I mean, everyone goes in with, I'm sure a different mindset and, you know, those types of shows, you're supposed to fall right away and it can kind of fuck you up emotionally when you meet someone from the jump and start having these strong feelings and then being told

well no you're not supposed to do it this way. Like it's a weird situation so I have empathy for all of you but like did you after like that whole germ eye of it all do you feel like Huda really tried to make some meaningful changes in how she approached the villa? Definitely. After the whole germ eye situation and when came, me and Hoodie had a conversation or whatever, and she was just like, I like Chris, but I still want to explore.

She says she, you know, didn't get that chance the first two and a half weeks. And then after that, it was like all her chances with the guys in the Villa was already ruined besides the new people that came in, like the bombshells. And so after the castle and she met Chris, she was like, I still want to explore because I didn't get through that before. And so I was like, go ahead and do that. And you know, she's like, that's her learning from her, you know, her mistakes she did with Jeremiah.

And then she also said like she didn't want to, you know, like kiss in public and all that because the whole Jeremiah situation. So she was learning from her experiences and trying to go Jeremiah situation. So she was learning from her experiences and trying to grow from it. So she was, yeah. Okay. Have you talked to Jeremiah since? I haven't.

I haven't. Do you feel like there's hurt feelings between you guys and Jeremiah? No, I feel like me and Jeremiah, we stood a rose. Like, and that's the thing is like, like with the guys, there wasn't no drama between none of the guys.

Like, you know, we'll crack jokes at each other, do some rap battles, feelings of getting hurt in rap battles, but then we all get out and laugh. So like with the guys, there was never like no true beef between none of the guys where it was just like, we're not talking to each other. Why did you guys send Jeremiah home? Because you guys caught some heat for that. And just from a fan standpoint, whether it was accurate or not, it felt like ACE really influenced that vote. That was the perception

of fans. We didn't get to see the conversation. So that was just fan theories making shut up. But it, it, a lot of, you know, we all kind of thought that was like, Jeremiah was getting a lot of attention and he got the ax because it was like, even Nick said after Jeremiah left, you know, there's gonna be like more options for us to explore and things like that. So can you share how that you guys came to that decision and what were the some of the conversations

that you all had that came to you guys sending Jeremiah home that maybe we didn't get to see? Yeah, so really Ace was even the one that really like led the whole conversation to be real. It was mainly me and Ace who led that conversation. And it was like our decision was based off of, so Pepe had a really strong connection with him. Like that was a really strong connection.

So it's like, you know, we can't send Pepe home because he really does have like a super strong connection. Like that was a genuine connection that he had made. Austin has explored every situation he's been put into and has tried. And then with Jeremiah, it was like, you know, first two weeks he was locked in with Huda, didn't want to explore anyone else. And then with Iris, it was like, he wanted to explore Iris. And then as soon as Andrina came in, it was just like, forget Iris, meet Iris as just friends and now I'm all on Andrina and

that was like a hmm he was having a conversation with us in the bedroom and he'll be like like before we go out for night we're getting dressed and before we go out to have our conversations he told me and Pep like oh I'm gonna talk to her the longest today so nobody else get to talk to her and he had just met her the day before you know know? So it just like, he's going right back down that hole he did with Huda that we tried to save him from and tell him to explore and he's doing it right, right, right again, you know? And he was like, he told us he was like, you know, y'all get mad, like

when I don't hoop, but then now y'all mad when I'm hooping. I'm just like, it's not that you're hooping, it's like the way you hoop. Like, you know, you can go and explore and talk to everyone, but it's like the way you're doing it. Like you're being possessive. She just got here literally last night and now you want to talk to her so nobody else get to talk to her.

And it's like me and Adriana, we were just having a conversation in the kitchen and he was, you know, walking in front of us, walking behind us, like the whole time we had her was having a conversation. And it wasn't even a real conversation. We just ended up sitting next to each other in the kitchen and we just ended up

talking to each other because we were standing next to each other. So it wasn't like a deep conversation. It was just like a, Oh, where are you from? Like, what do you do type of deal. And as soon as we got done with that conversation, like he walked straight towards the start, making handshakes with her and I'm just like, you know, like we keep telling you, Jermia, like chill out on her. Like don't be all possessive of them.

When you talk to a 24 seven and and adrenal even said it, like, you know, he's all over me, like, you know, he's not giving my space type of deal. And we keep telling you like, chill out, let her have her space. Like let other people get to know her. Cause you know, when she came into the house, I think Pepe wanted to talk to her, Nick wanted to have a conversation with her. And it was like, nobody's able to have a conversation

with her cause you own her 24 seven and she just got here last night. And he just wasn't getting that understanding. And it was just like, okay, out of Jeremiah, Pepe and Austin, you know, Pepe, the real strong connection, Austin has exported everything possible that's came his way, no matter if it's his type or not. You know, he's still trying to export it.

And then there was Jeremiah who was just stuck in that rabbit hole. Do you feel like that's a little, like the whole Austin of it all, like, you know, he tried all these connections, none of them worked for him so like Therefore maybe his connection isn't here in love island versus jeremiah who had a strong connection with hoda that didn't work He tried it with iris that didn't work and now he has a strong connection with adrina. Was there a little bit of like

Let's get the competition out of the way. No, I wouldn't say it was nothing like let's get the competition out of the way? No, I wouldn't say it was nothing like, let's get the competition out of the way, it was just like, you know, Jermiah has had his type come through there, and Austin didn't have his type come through at all. So it was like, you know, let's give Austin this chance for his type to come through, which was Jaden, and he actually liked Jaden, and now boom, they're together, you know?

So it's just like a whole other deal where it's just like, everybody's type has came through here but Austin's, and he's still out here trying to pursue that. And then with Jermiah, it's just like, you know, so it's just like a whole idea where it's just like, everybody's type has came through here, but all since, and he's still out here trying to pursue that and then with Jeremiah, just like, you know, he's had Huda, Iris, and then Adrena is just like, you had all these people and you're still in the same spot you were in, you know? So there was no competition between me and Jeremiah. I mean, whether, however, fans think of your answer or not, at least we now got to hear the thought process. You know, it makes sense.

And I'm assuming at that point, like, you know, it seems authentic that it's not like none of you wanted to vote anyone off at this point. Like, you know, it's like you guys are forced to make a shitty decision one way or the other. And that, you know, it's like, as much as we were upset with like Jeremiah going home, like we ended up all like America fell for Pepe.

You know, that was a time where like Pepe was kind of new and Jeremiah was like an OG and everyone's like, you know, it's just like, well, you know, you know what it's like to like, if you're there for two days, people like the audiences kind of looks at you differently or kind of like, who's this new person? And then we grow to love these people like Two days later, they're like an OG,

so it makes a lot of sense. When you guys, was it, between your connection, was there any, it must be one thing, just being in that crazy villa and then coming out of it to the real world. So I know it's only been a few short days, but what has it been like for you two and how has it been weird at all?

Are you guys slipping right in this relationship into the real world like how have you guys adjusted as this couple? That started so fast in this very crazy environment and now you guys have the real world and each other's families Is it been like oh shit like okay like you're a real person outside of this world. What does that been like for you two? Oh shit, like, okay, like you're a real person outside of this world. What has that been like for you two? Fun, I'm not gonna lie. We just, we still have great conversations. We still act the same way.

I mean, I don't know what it's perceived to be, but we still love being around each other. You know, talking about like dating and long distance and what that looks like, meeting family. It's been fun though. Are y'all still exclusive? Of course. You closed off?

Yeah. Are we like officially calling each other boyfriend and girlfriend? Because we love a label. I'm cool with that, but I have to be asked for that too. Taylor? I'm gonna ask her at the right time. It can't be like a-

Do you want us to do, we could do a G and a F. Listen, it can't just be like a- Oh, sure. A G and a F. Close your eyes. You did a G. It isn't like, you know, I wanna ask her in a cute way, I don't wanna just be like,

oh, you wanna be my girlfriend, you know? Okay. So, whenever- You have to talk the Clark, the big- That's what I'm saying, like, I gotta get back home first so I can set my my situation. It's gonna help probably So how where are you currently living Clark Charlotte you're in Charlotte and then you're in Oklahoma City, okay So have we had conversations of like are we we gonna, like is LA maybe a place that y'all would move together?

Are you both kind of like, no, Taylor, I know you love your farm life. I'm sure you do. Yeah, so I got three more years of vet school. So I can't go nowhere until I'm out of vet school. And where is that in Oklahoma? Yeah, it's in Stillwater. I go to Oklahoma State.

Tell us more about that. What are you doing there? So I went to Oakland State undergrad in animal science, pre-vet, and then took a year off, started modeling. Then I was like, you know, I want to go back to school. I want to finish, you know. I'm a pre-vet degree,

so I might as well go to vet school. And is that something you want to pursue? Yeah, I applied to vet school, and now I just want to do large animals when I get out. Okay. You know, do equine, cattle, that whole other deal. You should definitely keep doing that, yeah. Yeah.

Pursue that, yeah, the influencing. You can do both, man. That's an amazing, yeah. Try and do it all, you know, vet school, model, rodeo, influence it, like. Do you show any horses at a rodeo? Like do you do any sort of competing or anything? What is like your lane?

So I do this thing called Cone Express. It's mainly like a Oklahoma thing. I mean, we have some riders from Texas, Texas, Louisiana, and there's one in Tennessee, Arizona. So we go some places, but it's like a relay race. So you take like, you know the four by one relay, the four by one and track? That's what we do on horses.

They're to be on horseback. You're on horseback. Yeah, like running full speed. Are youback. Yeah, like running full speed. Are you racing? Yeah, like running full speed, passing baton to someone when there's like- You have footage of this? Yeah.

Wow, Clark, have you seen this? What do you think? It's kinda hot. I didn't know that's the thing. That's not me. But I love it on here for you. Can we see it? Yeah.

That's crazy. Is that something that like you grew up doing or is that just something that's known in your town and you're like this? So it's something I grew up doing. My grandpa's one actually like invented the whole. What? Yeah, he's the one who came up with it and brought it to like the radio world. He took it from the like the Indian race and made his own thing.

And now it's like a real big black radio event that we do. Like it's the biggest one in Oklahoma. And it's called the Pony Express? He called it that? Mm-hmm. Wow. Well, he's bringing that up. Innovator.

What were you doing in Charlotte before you left Island? Working and minding my business. In my little bubble. How did you get on the show? Somebody reached out to me. Okay. I would have never applied myself. Were you a fan before?

Did you watch much? I watched a couple of seasons before, but not the biggest, not the season six. Everybody was like, watch it, watch it, watch it. I didn't watch it. I need to go back now. Yeah. But. Honestly, it's probably good that you didn't.

I feel like it was a popular season, but like, you know, you don't want to replicate that you can't replicate that. You guys are your own season. Too many people were gonna just compare it right off the jump anyways. So are you back to minding your business or are you kind of in other people's business? I feel like I, I mean, I want to mind my business,

but there's so much going on. Do you feel like, do you feel like people are starting to come around a little bit if you are going online? Because I think people kindly woke up and were like, why are we treating Clark like this? What did she do wrong? She just seems like a sweet, wonderful, beautiful woman

who just like caught the eye of Taylor and like fine, she wasn't an OG. Do you feel like fans are starting to show that and is it getting better in that regard? I've went through a couple of my comments on Instagram and they're like I'm sorry I hated you at first I was just on the hate train I'm like it's okay girl bring it in. So yeah a lot of like positivity now which I appreciate but you're gonna have both like either way so. You guys seem to have a good head on your shoulders and how you guys are approaching it.

I'm glad you guys have each other too and it really seems like a genuine and real connection. So that's very exciting. Did you find the Pony Express video? I did. Can we see it? Yeah. Which are you in the front?

No, that was one of the radios that just happened when I was going. That is crazy. You guys are flying. Yeah, we're running for it's me. So are they race horses? Yeah, so some are race horses, some aren't. Like all the horses I get, I get them from the race track. Oh, okay.

Because you know, you want a fast horse, you're doing a relay race, so. And there goes the hat. All the ones I get are literally from the race track. Wow. You are a legit cowboy. You're not just wearing a hat. Oh yeah, no. That is not an aesthetic. That's a lifestyle right there.

It's crazy. Nah, yeah. Like I've seen horses break their legs. I've seen people break their jaw. Oh my god, Ace is calling. Ace is timing you. Answer it. Can I answer it?

Yeah. Let me answer it. Where's the second number? You gotta let him know. I'm gonna fire gas me. What you doing? Look at him. He's like, I'm not ready.

It's green. It's green. All right, Betty. Trouble. Trouble. Who is the other trait? Nick. Nick.

Yeah. Yeah, you found like two loves. You know, you got your boys and you got your lady. I got my game, bro. Then my dogs for life. Like we, day one, we went in there and you know, me and it's connected instantly. Just one, we went in there and me and Ace connected instantly, just off our sense of humor.

And one thing we did a lot was quote movie lines. To scenarios that happened throughout, we just quoted movie lines. Ace quoted one the first day, and I'll quote one right back from that same movie. What movie was it? I think it was Life. And from that point on, we just locked in just from literally like our sense of humor.

Have you guys been able to connect with Nick since? No, Nick's not back yet. So whenever he gets back though, like we turn, hey, we got to hoop for circus. Yeah, we got plans. Oh, hey, we got plans. Like. Y'all booked him busy. Clark, do you feel equally as loved by Taylor as he loves his voice?

It's give and take sometimes. Me and Nick will fight over him. I'm like Nick back up. He's like, no, Clark, you back up. I'm like, OK, you know what? No, but it's fine. I love that for him. What's next for you two, other than figuring out

where you guys are going to live, going on um, other than figuring out where you guys are going to live, going on a trip or anything, like what, what are you guys going to do in the next week, a week or two to get back to the reality? She actually come in and rode with me this weekend. Actually. Yeah. Did he get you some cowboy boots? Not yet.

We haven't had time. Yeah. But whenever I do, yeah. Radio this weekend, finna turn straight to cowgirl mode. Wow. So exciting. Can't wait to see the pictures. I know.

Me neither. Well, we appreciate you guys coming on. It's been great getting to know you. Congratulations on a great season. Congratulations on finding each other. It's been a joy to watch. And through all the highs and lows, like it's been really fun getting to know you guys.

And I hope you guys enjoy this experience and so you guys are gonna have a very exciting next couple months in a year or so. Is there anything, one last question before we let you go, is there anything you're nervous to address at Reunion? Nah, not for me. Literally nothing. Yeah.

Okay, nothing. Nothing. You're ready to go. You really seem like, yeah, like you're, you got a clear kind of, you feel really good about everything. Yeah, I mean, I had no beef with nobody in the house, you know, so.

Insane. Like, no negative energy, there was no awkwardness, no weirdness. If you don't wanna say names, I get it, but is there, are or were there beefs in the house do you feel like that do need to get addressed at the reunion? Nothing to say.

Maybe, but. Maybe, I mean, I don't know how Shelly and Huda left off. Okay. I don't know how they left off after that. All right. I don't know if they had a conversation that's why I stuff or, I don't know. Well don't know if they had a conversation that's why stuff or I don't know. Well, you talked to Shelly recently.

Did she say anything? Nah, she ain't said nothing. Like we don't, we ain't even talked about it. We haven't talked about nothing about the show. Yeah. Like literally. Honestly, I love that for you. Like we just, we ain't talked about the show since we left.

We just been vibing and just trying to hang out, you know, I grow our friendship outside the village. Truly. Honestly, protect your mental health. Seriously. Like this is a crazy experience, and I really do hope you guys enjoy it, but no one, fans, let them be fans.

You guys have each other. No one knows what it's like to have done what you guys did, but each other, so lean on each other. Obviously, your friends and family, the people who knew you before you went in the house, but everything else, it's all bullshit. It's like, yeah. Well, we love watching on the show

and we love meeting you in person. Thank you for coming. I appreciate you all for having us. Thank you, yeah, guys. We're just gonna enjoy following you guys, so. We'll enjoy it, so thanks for taking the time. Appreciate you. Appreciate you guys.

What can people follow you guys? My Instagram is taylor underscore williams dot three. Okay. Dot three. Dot three, don't forget that dot three. Don't forget it. Clark. Clark dot Y on my Instagram. Dot three. Dot three. Dot three. Don't forget that. Dot three. Yeah, don't forget it. Clark dot Y on Instagram. Okay.

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Don't miss out. Go to www.RosettaStone.com slash V I A L L and start learning today. So Taylor and Clark. So cute. They're cute. You can tell they're in love. Yeah, I'm charmed. I do love a success story.

Any of the couples that are like still together after doing a show that crazy. Yeah, I feel like the fact that they are doing press together means they're good. And he's taking her to the rodeo this weekend. They have plans. What did we think of Taylor's explanation of why he sent home Jeremiah? I thought it was bullshit.

You are all haters. I was like, well, it doesn't really make sense, but sure, I guess, thanks for the clarity. I think that's why I kind of pushed back of just being like, so you kept Austin, who had tried multiple connections and it didn't really make sense, but sure, I guess, thanks for the clarity. I think that's why I kind of push back of just being like, so you kept Austin, who had tried multiple connections and it didn't work for him, but you didn't keep the guy who it was working for because Nick and Pepe also wanted to talk to her.

That's why you kicked him out because Nick and Pepe also wanted to talk to her. It's giving boys club and Jeremiah was not in it. It's giving little competition. They were like, all right, our friends want to talk to her. It's giving boys club and Jeremiah was not in it. It's giving little competition. They were like, all right, our friends want to talk to her. It's also interesting that they haven't, he hasn't talked to Jeremiah since leaving. Yeah, I mean, Jeremiah definitely felt a certain way

about getting kicked off. He also has a book club. Have you guys heard about Jeremiah's book club? Maybe he's just, he's too busy reading. Listen, it's tough that they, you know, Taylor and even at the time, like use language Maybe he's just, he's too busy reading. Listen, it's tough that they, you know, Taylor, and even at the time, like use language that suggested Jeremiah was moving like too aggressively.

It's just like, as opposed to like, I don't know, like he liked that one girl and win for her. I mean. And then America made him be with Iris. So it's like, I mean, I guess he tried to explore that to like the extent he could. He was pretty clear he wasn't into Iris. And then New Girl came, so he's like, okay, I'm gonna...

My type two-a-tee. Yeah, literally his type two-a-tee. I just want a small, spicy, sped-a-girl. That's like what he said over and over again. And then I'm being like, well, Austin didn't get his type to come. It's like, well... Sorry. I mean, I guess. So if he had, you would have kicked him out?

But that is kind of like a repetitive thing that we saw with this season, was that it was like, people who had strong connections were for some reason booted because they weren't open or playing around to dating, where I was like, isn't that the whole point of the show is that you're supposed to find a couple and then have that couple be challenged, which is what we saw why Casa Amor didn't really work this season.

It's because there was nobody strong. We're like, all right, it's a free for all. This is a singles mixer the entire season. It was nice to at least hear how they thought about it. Yes, it was. You know, I love how he was like, it wasn't ace leading that charge. It was me and ace. That's fair.

I mean, because we all assumed it was like Taylor and Nick taking orders from Ace and at least Taylor was just like, I was. So I guess Nick wasn't involved. I was like, I take half of the responsibility. Well, Nick didn't bring any clothes, so he had to like keep up with the boys so they would give him some shirts. Exactly. Nick wearing like a hood as sweater, like Hannah's sweater.

Everyone was like, the Ritzia pink zip. It was so funny. How did he get that? After Taylor left and Nick just had like no clothes. Also, Nick pulling a Landria in Taylor's clothes is something that always makes me laugh. Well, speaking of happy couples, we have Sierra back on camera who is maybe has like a little extra something on her hand. Congratulations. Thanks to our newly engaged Sierra.

Yay. She's a fiance finally after a hundred years. Thank you. Thank you. Finally proposed. And that's why I said, I was like, when's the wedding? And I was like, I waited eight years for this.

I'm going to enjoy being a fiance cause I've never made it this far in a relationship. And I hope to never be one again. So another eight years? Maybe. Maybe first comes kid, then comes a wedding. I don't know. You love that.

You guys had been to France before, so. We went last year, yeah, and so we were going back to Provence and the whole couple's trip of it all kind of fell apart because of him. So I was like, okay, I'll go with my girls and then we'll go like meet our friends out there and then we'll do a girl's trip down to Italy.

And like our train was delayed the day that he was gonna propose. okay, I'll go with my girls and then we'll go like meet our friends out there and then we'll do a girls trip down to Italy and Like our train was delayed the day that he was gonna propose He's like sitting in the hot sun hiding from so that like I don't see him around the little village that we were staying in And then my friends were like you have to dress cute you have to and I'm like in this cute outfit already And I'm like, what do you mean? I'm not cute right now. Yeah, Sarah's like, no, no, no, but we've been sweating and we've been on this train. You have to change and just like feel good for the pictures and for everything.

I'm like, okay, fine. Did you believe that in that moment or was there any part of you that was like, this is weird, why are you being weird? There was not one inclination to me. I thought people were kind of being dicks. I mean, after eight years of dating. I was questioning my friendship with all of them.

Oh, I wanted to get olives all over my nails. And Connor was like, I don't know if you should do that. Maybe something that goes with your outfits. And I was like, you're a man. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This is creative genius. Shut your mouth. You're like, I love martinis.

I'm getting olives. And then not putting two and two together, Sarah FaceTimes me and is like, hey, I'm packing dinner. I'm about to get my nails done. What are you thinking? And I was like, OK, so I have this idea. I think I want two fully olive green nails. I want little you thinking?" And I was like, okay, so I have this idea. I think I want like two like fully olive green nails. I want little olives on one.

I want a martini glass. And she's like, you know, I don't think that's going to go with a lot of the stuff that you're packing. And I was like, I'm packing neutrals. Like, why are you guys coming for me? So then like I get to my nail appointment. I was like, okay, fine. Like I'm going to do like little French and like keep it like cute.

And I did martini glass on my proposal ring, my finger. And now I'm like, ah, Photoshopping those out. But yeah, no, it was actually insane. He, I guess, flew two hours after I left. And he takes a photo with me when he's like walking me down to my car and he never takes selfies with me. And I was like, what is this? What are we doing?

And he's like, I just, I just wanted to like say goodbye and like have these while you're gone. And I was like, if you start a fucking Instagram while I'm gone, I will murder you. Like these are the thoughts going through my head. Not that like this man is about to hop in a car right after me. My grandma's like down the street to watch our dog.

And then, yeah, he flew two hours behind me, took a train to Avignon and then surprised me in Provence. And my entire face was just like, you're supposed to be watching our dog. Who's watching our, how are you here? Like my video of my proposal, that's why it's to music, is just me going, are you fucking kidding me? Is this fucking happening?

And I'm like looking at all of our friends like filming and everything. And I'm just like, what is going on? Kaylyn wanted to like grab my bag for me. And I was like, babe, we're taking photos. I'm tagging this. Get out of here. And now I have this stupid bag in my hand during my entire proposal. But like, yeah, no, he did a really great job. So were y'all just like, oh, let's be like, we're girls, we're on a girls' show, let's go take cute pics for Instagram. All over. That's

what we've been doing. We're like getting dressed together in Paris, like going to Crazy Horse, just taking photos and like having this great time. So I was like nothing out of the ordinary. I thought it was weird that they were like showing me photos of their outfits. And I was like, well, I was on FaceTime with my friend. I didn't take photos of my what I might possibly wear. And yeah, they got me. They got me good. And I was very shocked.

Do you remember what he said when he got down on one knee? Or did you black out? Yes and no. Like I could tell how nervous he was and I was still just trying to process it all. He moves me back and I'm just like, what? And he's like, he gets on one knee and it's just like, I've loved you

since the moment that I met you, goes into this whole spiel, has some quote that he said. And I was like, at that point I was like, how is this happening to me? And then we had engagement photos right after. So I'm like crying and I'm like, I promise I'm going to be really excited about this once I can process like where I am and what is happening. And like it did take a while, but we got amazing photos

and then we had a nice dinner after and I was just like, this doesn't happen to people. Like what did you, what movie did you watch? Cause like- Did he have help from Sarah or anyone? Or was this all his plan? He actually did this on his own. The help that he had was through Brett and Autumn, like, because they were staying in Provence throughout that month.

So they were going around finding locations and being like, well, what do you think about this? Like, what about this place? And then we find this like castle. We, I had no part of that. They found like a castle chateau with like a lovely like dinner veranda that like looks over the mountains and like a winery.

And I was just like, not me getting that supposed to in the south of France. Like it's so on point, but it's also like, yeah, never would have expected it ever, ever. That's crazy. Yeah. Show the ring. Wow. Emerald.

So is it the ring, like, Did he know what ring you wanted? He did. And funny enough, it's like when we were watching Summer House and the whole like, when he asked me about, did Craig really mean that, like, if she saw the ring that she wouldn't have proposed? And I was like, yeah, it's a stupid thing to say to her. And he's like, yeah, well, what kind of ring do you like? And I was like, we're not doing this, but like, emerald or radiant, of course.

I'm like, I kept it casual. I was like, dainty, of course. And then, yeah, he nailed it to a tee that I just had. I feel like I'm cosplaying Pretty Pretty Princess. Do you remember that game where you like- Yes. You're like- It feels so weird.

I definitely like remember being like, going out and being like, oh my God, like, hey. Like at the grocery store, I'm like, can I? Sorry, I just was- It's the equivalent of like dyeing your hair and then like catching a glimpse of yourself in the mirror and you're like, who's that? Like that's where I'm like, wait, whose finger is that?

Yeah, or like driving and I'd be like, oh, God, I gotta wash the road. Or like the second you don't have it on, you're like, something is wrong. My finger has fallen off. Where is it? Did I lose it? Like... Do you enjoy saying fiance?

I love that word more than anything. It's a hot word. Right? Like, I'm just like... Yeah, it's sexy. I'm so sorry when when my, just kidding, when my fiance calls. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's just insane, but I'll be- You feel like more grown up now? Maybe, but no. Like, I don't know, we're just so childish together that I'm just like, you stupid idiot. You had all of my friends lie to me, you lied to me. Like, I'm just like, I just wanna be like, I wanna punch you in the face, but I can't,

cause like, gorg. So did he just get, like after he proposed and after y'all had dinner, he'm just like, I just want to be like, I want to punch you in the face, but I can't, because like, gorg. So did he just get like after he proposed and after y'all dinner, he was just like, all right, I'm going to head back. So we had three days in Provence. And so he stayed for that leg of it. But there was a point where like we're about to take pictures and I look at all my girlfriends and they're still going to Italy. He's like, I'm so glad you were concerned about that while I'm proposing to you.

And I was like, I'm just a girl. I like to know what my plans are. I did. I had outfits planned. And I won't be mad at you if you changed my plans. I just want to know right now. It is tough with a proposal, like doing a bait and switch. Yeah. Well, now we know how good you are at lying to us as well. Where I'm like, even for a good reason, I'm like, wait, you motherfucker. Well, like, you know, I pretended now I was going to a Tom Hanks premiere.

Right. I was like, I don't think she's gonna care about actually not meeting Tom Hanks. Could you imagine? I'm like, wait, where's Tom? Where's Tom, actually? Tom's coming still, right? Like, it's a nice...

He's an American treasure. Yeah, I'm not just... He's Forrest Gough. Yeah, that's Captain Sully. I can't believe that it's a nice... He's an American treasure. Yeah, I'm not... He's for his god. Yeah. That's Captain Sully. I can't believe you would lie. Captain Sully. Yes. Well, a couple that unfortunately didn't make it to the engagement was Suzy and Justin.

And Justin. Oh my god. That gave me so much secondhand embarrassment. This episode was so good. So good. It was good. It was, you know, it's long. That was so good. So good. It was good. You know, it's long.

Long as f**k. Yeah, I was okay with it. No, you can't be, you have a baby. You cannot be okay with this much waste of our time. I cleaned my entire house while watching that episode. Why did they get to that first episode? I don't know. The setups, they're like, it's very,

I have to keep fast forwarding every time we go to like a next scene, because I'm like, all right, how much B-roll are we gonna? It's too much B-roll. It's too much B-roll. Nick and I were talking about this. It's like, clearly they wanna like get these long episodes, get as much content out to like give people

the Love Island need. Obviously we've been watching a ton of episodes. They're long, they're every night, you know, like, and I think they're trying to jump on that train. But the stark difference between Love Island, like this challenge, quote unquote, that they had, this kissing challenge, they tried to be so messy. They're like, oh, you're gonna swipe right

on who you wanna kiss. And then they go to like away from everyone. I'm like, no, Love Island, we would be doing this in front of your friends. You would be kissing your girl's man. You would be like starting fights with your girlfriends. That is what this is about. But Bachelor, of course, is like, no, we're gonna go.

They're all awkward kisses. They like get into this curtain circle and they're like, gazebo. Yeah, what do we do now? So do you wanna do this or? It was giving like kissing someone at your like bat mitzvah in the closet. You know what I mean?

Yeah, it was giving like set up awkward, not sexy at all. Yeah. Not hot and steamy, not like, it was just awkward. I just thought one person was gonna be like blindfolded or something, so then it was like maybe like guess who that kind of chemistry was. And then when I saw them like face to face

looking at each other, just like, all right, line them up and roll them in in no one's making fan cams from well I've never been more invested into Susie and Justin's relationship and even when they were dating I was like I'm more invested now I don't mean that disrespectfully for sure I Just more like when they were on the gram even their online relationship was very it was very friendly Okay, they were just friendly. They were chill. They weren't like giving a lot of like Necessarily like lovey-dovey. Oh my god. It was this more like it was like hooding Chris like my homie my best

Who's sitting Chris daylight? There was no PDA time. Who knows what was happening? Who said in Chris, daylight there was no PDA. Nighttime, who knows what was happening. Yeah. You know? Turns out a lot of emotion, a lot of, a lot of. A lot leftover, it's only been how many months? When Lexi was basically like, so you had a girlfriend. So I guess I can date you.

Yeah. What? It's like a, it's not enough time that's gone by. Like basically, yeah, you used to date someone, you don't. You're not dating. And I feel like I'm second choice. I mean, I get it. How do you?

What? He's at paradise. If you felt that way now, just wait. She's walking in. And I'm gonna pick her. Do you all feel like everyone, including Jessie Wells, Hannah Brown, everyone on this cast is being weird.

Like, everyone has weird bits, has weird jokes, has weird, like, mannerisms. Everyone just feels weird to me. I haven't really been paying too much attention to them, I will say, because they're just... Yeah, okay, that too. But no, my favorite thing was the first episode, somebody was like,

Jesse, like, that man Jesse, he never ages. I was like, that man has a full head of gray hair that he did not have last year. Literally. He's like, no, he's literally aged. That man is doing well, he looks great for his age, but like, why are we lying and keeping this in the show? There are a lot of like Jesse riffs going on

that like are not landing for me. He literally looks 80. I don't know. Yeah. When he pretended to hang up the phone and he was like are not landing. He literally looks 80. Yeah. When he pretended to hang up the phone and he was like, oh God. I have to be here with this show. Why do you have to FaceTime them for that? Like he's on the beach.

Why are they paying for him to be in the coast to read it? Why was he FaceTiming them? They have so many hosts. Why was he FaceTiming them to tell them about the challenge? I'm like, aren't you there? It's your one job is that you're supposed to walk in out of nowhere and say, hey guys.

Why are you on an iPad? Also, why did they have to do it on an iPad in the first place? And then they threw this iPad baby in the world. They threw Wells under the bus. Who was it? Oh, Al, no, no, no. When Jill shows up and she's like, oh, Wells in the bartending shocker, surprise.

My mom, like, they did not have to air that. I mean, there's so much much every time we talk to Wells, it's always like I did so much shit. They didn't air. Yeah. I'm sure Wells is always like when I'm here, I'm living here the entire month. Use me. You know, like just let me know when to show up. I'll show up.

And then they aired that. Like just being like Wells doesn't work. Like what? Like why are they fucking with this guy? Imagine being at your job and someone's just like, saying you're unemployed. That's so true, too, because it's like, usually from, like, Paradise, it's like, the bartender's at the bar as people are arriving and they're, like, making drinks and talking.

It's like, why was he not needed for that? Yeah. They're awkward arrivals of like, hey, guys, it's okay. Well, I guess I know you from this season. Like, Welles should be facilitating that. Like, well, she'd be facilitating that. Like, hey, let me grab you a drink. And by the way, do you know Alex? She was on so-and-so season, but.

They do have a lot of hosts. They have a lot of hosts. Yeah. That kissing booth challenge though, I just, it was so awkward. Like they would just walk in and it was like, hey, so should we kiss now? And then Brian like leaving and coming back in,

he pissed me off this episode. Brian and Zoe. No, Brian sucks. Brian sucks. Brian sucks. He definitely like has handled the entire situation so wrong with Zoe. The one that like would like ignore her in the morning.

He's like, what do you mean by ignore? Like she means you didn't talk to her. You said hi to everyone but me? But then sat next to you. I love Zoe. She gave him the opportunity to tell her how he was feeling and he was like, no, no, we're good, we're good.

No, he's also like, I don't wanna move too fast with you, Zoe. And then meanwhile, fast forward five minutes, he's like in a pool with Parisa and being like yeah, no, we're we're in love We're hot and heavy and we're doing this thing. We're hot and heavy. We love each other also like Zoe Why are you being so clingy? Yeah Why why are you obsessed with me? Then also the thing is like Parisa is gonna see that and then be like she even said

In this episode she was like Well, now I don't really trust this man that much. No, Parisa doesn't like Brian. She's just using him to get to the next week, which I'm fine with that. Yeah, yeah. It's what Brian did to Zoe. Back to my, like, everyone's being weird. I know that this is Alex's personality.

I get that. But I've had conversations with Jonathan. We've had him on this show, friend of show. He's very charming, very funny, very charismatic, very easy to talk to. And I feel like the reason he's being weird is because he's like, I have no idea how to respond to you. Alex makes everything so awkward, so uncomfortable.

Yeah, what was that? She goes up to kiss him and she's like, what are you doing? She needs someone to match her freak and that's not Jonathan. But I honestly don't know like who it is. It's very unique, she's very specific. Yeah, it's very specific.

It's kind of like Amaya and she might be the Amaya Vashra Nation. She is. So true. Hey, Alex was the girl from Grand Season with the llama, right? Yeah. And we love her, but I just don't know why seeing her

and Jonathan together, I want it to work so badly and I'm just like, please stop. It's just so weird. Why do we want it to work badly? I don't know why seeing her and Jonathan together, I want it to work so badly and I'm just like, please stop. It's just so weird. Why do we want it to work badly? I don't know, because it's like, I think that they're cute, I like both of them individually, so it's like when you like two people individually and they pair up, you're like, okay, like this will be cute,

but I'm like, there's like the slight, like I don't even think there's any chemistry between the two of these people, and Jonathan's like trying to be like polite, I feel like, or like, okay, like no, but I do like you, and like maybe she'll come out of her shell, but it's like, no, no one's trying to be polite, I feel like. Or like, okay, no, but I do like you, and maybe she'll come out of her shell, but it's like, no, no one's trying here enough, and then when you guys are together, I'm not getting that like, okay, we'll get there,

they're gonna kiss. No, just no natural chemistry whatsoever. I felt like Justin really got screwed over this episode. Yeah. I feel like Suzy accidentally really screwed him over. I feel like this is my biggest gripe with the whole season so far. It's just that things are moving way too quickly and too many people are going home too fast because I'm like, I don't want to see Zoe leave.

Suzy hasn't been here long enough yet. It's too difficult to make these decisions so quickly and we're losing these big personalities so soon into the season. Yeah, like last week, what's his name? Jen's villain. Sam. Yeah, it's just like, you know, kind of an asshole. You're like, okay, he was a big character last season,

and you're right, he was on for two minutes. Why are there eliminations every episode? Is that how it was before? Usually, yeah, there's... Or I felt like it... Yeah. Because isn't it like a week? Like one episode is a span of one week

or a couple days at least? Usually a week is four days, yeah. But I mean, how they're doing it with multiple episodes a week and two hours, I'm not really sure of the timeline, especially now with the new format. Listen, I also, Nick and I were very deep in this conversation of like none of these men it feels like Have any sort of game have any sort of swag have any besides Dale Dale is the only one who like

Do you need a moment, Mary? I'm not going to say a man's hot if I don't think a man's hot. Dale seems like a really handsome, hot guy, but yeah, he's like, and it's not like he's the most charismatic. It's just like he's the only one who acts like he knows how to talk to attractive women. Like just like everyone else is just doing a bit or just kind of goofy or awkward. And then meanwhile, again, this is not like a criticism to Dale, but we are treating Dale like he's hanging out with billionaire Roe, you know, like all the women are just like, oh my God, he's so successful and he's so good looking. And I'm like,

I guess like what, what has, and again, that's not a criticism, what I'm sure, he sounds like he's done just fine. He's got like a Hallmark movie, he's done some influencing. Like he kind of won the Bachelorette. He did like a Christmas movie. He did, he has some nice acting credits. But like they're talking about him as if he is just like, that Dale, what a. He just talks like he's still in the NFL.

All the rest of them are like fresh off of these shows or first night going homers. And I feel like they're all kind of trying to become influencers and like Dale, a little bit more of an OG. He's like NFL football player, like is an actor. He's living in New York City. Like he's got some, you know,

a little bit more under his belt. And I feel like they're like, this is a real man and these little boys over here. It's also like, I've had, you know. He's getting brand deals. He's getting brand deals. He's got an agent. I feel for, I do feel for Justin.

So we almost fight for him. I feel for Justin. I feel like he's getting a little bit of like. I mean, that was, that was tough. Cause we, you know, he's a friend of ours. He's very funny. He's like very easy to talk to. I feel like him being coupled up with Lexi, maybe she's a little bit more of an introvert. I do feel like maybe she's not an easy one for him to banter with. She feels as though maybe she might be a little bit more...

Stiff. A little. In a kind way. You just went like. A little. In a kind way. You just went like this and then said stiff in a kind way. And I do mean that. So I do mean that, Black Sea Girl. And you know, I feel like if we saw him and Suzy, this was their first time dating, you know?

Like there was no past and they met on the beach and this was them dating. I feel like it would be a lot more enjoyable to watch the two of them because I don't feel like, I don't know, their people are there and I feel like they are each other's people. They're isolated so they have to like kind of like, it's almost like we don't even know if you guys

would actually interact this way, how do you run into each other not in these circumstances of like, it's almost like, we don't even know if you guys would actually interact this way, had you run into each other, not in these circumstances. Yeah, it's like. Well, I just wish that like, Suzy didn't have to reject the rose the manner in which she did. It's just like, maybe it's cause I know them personally, I didn't think it was all that serious.

Like, Suzy crying over the relationship, okay, it makes sense, fine. You're like, you're talking about a relationship that didn't work out, yada yada. But like, you have over the relationship. Okay, it makes sense, fine. You're like, you're talking about a relationship that didn't work out, yada yada. But like you have two stars there. Susie clearly doesn't have someone clearly getting a rose. They probably were like, hey Susie, we'll have to pay you a bunch of money to come on.

They can't eliminate their star. So Justin gave her the friendship rose. Like, I'm gonna save you. Like, you know, why didn't he just say, hey listen, my connections aren't as strong, but maybe it was editing, I don't know, or what Justin didn't say. But just say I don't like Lexi.

But don't make it seem like you're giving the rose to Suzy over Lexi as if he's trying to reconsider pursuing a relationship with Suzy, which I don't think he is. And that's the way I definitely felt, was that it's like you're choosing Suzy over Lexi. And Suzy's reaction gave, I can't accept this, as opposed to being like, all right,

well if you don't like her, then yeah, fine, I'll take that friendship, Rose, thanks for having my back. And instead it was like, no, I can't accept it. And Justin's like, we can't be like, all right, Lexi. Yeah, so then like, does Justin go home because he also doesn't get a rose? I think everyone's gonna be saved.

Yeah, cause it seems like they're the biggest storyline of the season as well. Correct. You imagine, if one of them goes home, I'm not watching. You're like, what's the show? No, we're turning it off. Also, Dale's explanation as to why he chose Kat. I was sitting at the bar and I looked over at her

and I got lost for a moment and for I don't know how long. And I haven't felt that in a long time. I've never looked at someone and thought, wow. Thanks for telling me that you didn't listen to a damn word she said. It was like, she's hot. And she is. The thing about Dale and Kat is they are very hot together.

They're really hot. You know what I love about Kat showing up for this season? What do you love? Because she was kind of like, guys, this is who I am. I am a little crazy. She's like, did you think I was kidding last season? I wasn't.

I'm back again. It's show you, I was being for real. It's diva behavior, I love it. Are you a little jealous? Yes. Yes. She said they were talking for too long so I decided to go play Mermaids.

Okay. I needed to be in his eye line. I was like this. She's not like coming in and being like, you know what, that was a bad beat. I wanna show a different side of me. She's just like, no, okay. So part two. Well, it's being like, yeah, you haven't got hives this time.

She's like, no, I have. That's so me coded, getting hives. No, I actually have. Jeremy needs to wear more sunscreen. This is my biggest question on these kinds of beach shows. Is production making sure they're wearing sunscreen? Are they forcing them to wear sunscreen or is it just on them?

Because in Love Island, Pepe got a little bit of a sunburn, but that was the first time we ever heard of anything. Is production making sure they're wearing sunscreen? Are they forcing them to wear sunscreen or is it just on them? Because in Love Island, Pepe got a little bit of a sunburn, but that was the first time we ever heard of anything like that. Honestly, I don't, when another adult tries to tell me to put on sunscreen, I'm not listening to you. Exactly, so it's like, are we just trusting? I know my skin. Yeah.

But then, but then again, sometimes you don't. Are we just trusting them? So here, you should really put on sunscreen. Like, no, I'm okay, thanks. You put on sunscreen. Sun to sun, Eddie. Yeah, so like, what if you're on Bachelor in Paradise first day, you get absolutely fed? Like, what happens?

I mean, Parisa kind of had a little sunglasses tan. Did y'all notice that? I'm sure has happened. And to answer your question, yes, there are definitely handlers and producers who might be like, hey, make sure everyone wears sunscreen. There's certainly plenty of sunscreen around. They aren't your parents, you know Yeah, so like at the end of the day if you don't put it on if you want to be like, oh my god It's the Sun

Yeah, first day burn. I gotta get a base, you know, that's not it kind of on you then you're just peeling You literally are just like I have dead skin hanging off of you while you're trying to like, smooch babes. I'm sure they've got bottles of aloe too at the ready. I guess. I just see that happening for me if I ever went on a TV show. How do you think they're going to, when they bring in the old people? The Goldens?

I'm really excited. At this point, I'm kind of like, bring them in. Guys. Let's see what happens. I can't watch one more drum show. No, I hope that they keep just saying, next week, take-holds are coming. Every single time they've had a show. Didn't Walsh say something about it?

Or he was like, something about the Goldens coming in? The, I don't know, the preview for them saying, in our next game, you're gonna tell us your biggest secret, and I don't want to. What do you mean? Tell you my biggest secret? It's my biggest secret for a reason. I'm definitely not telling you guys the TV show I'm making one up right now literally and all of them being like I

I to and then blame it on the guy next to me like I don't give a fuck that is not your biggest secret. Someone just cause I have a body and it's buried. That's your biggest secret. Definitely not. Someone just goes, I have a body and it's buried. At this location. I'm like, I've committed murder. But here I am finding love. I'm Jen Shaw, I'm committing elder fraud.

Like they're not gonna say those shit. No one's saying that. No, say it with your chest. Yeah, unless one of the people are just like, admit to saying something as crazy as it's like, I knew I had chlamydia and I still had sex with my girlfriend. Yeah. You know, like. Be honest. Yeah.

We're getting like the Goldens are putting their feet on OnlyFans and like, cool, get your bags, sis. I don't care. Make that money. Also, that's not a secret. You're an OnlyFans. Yeah. It's under your name.

The link is in your bio. I've watched your name. The link is in your bio. I've watched your content. I really hope the gold is coming and get messy. I really want it. They're not. They're not. But what if they did? They're not.

Do we know how many episodes this season is? It's already too many. If every episode is four, I'll be honest with you. I've seen enough. It was a much, much better episode than the first week. Oh, 100%. I loved it. I am enjoying it, much better episode than the first week. Oh, 100%. I loved it.

I am enjoying it, I will say, but I will say there's just too much B-roll in between for me to be like, get to the point. Show me the scene. Somebody make out. Why are we like kind of having... No one's making out. We're having a lot of side conversations that do not matter. No one's making out.

No one's being messy. Well, Justin and Lexi did. Well, there's just a lot of like, you know, I don't, I, I, I respect for everyone. I, I don't respect for, I just want to be respectful. I don't want to step on anybody's toes. I want to be respectful. And I'm like, step on toes! That's your drama.

You want to know what says it all? Is that in the kissing challenge, the kissing boot challenge, like, some of them just didn't want to kiss anyone. I'm like, we're on episode two. Like you guys should all be swiping right on everyone. Spencer and Jess are married, so they're not kissing anybody else. It's just guys. I was saying with Justin. That's with Spencer, the goofy. He didn't speak at all during Jensen's

season. Wait, and now I'm like, I understand. Lexi walking in to kiss Justin and she just like hugs him. What was that? Yeah. This is what I mean. Bel Dasha. Bel Dasha! Stiff. But even Bel Dasha like, like she knew that she was gonna get kicked off that island if she did not lock some lips.

Bel Dasha was a character. She stuffed it up. Yeah. And I'm gonna need the rest of the cats of Bachelor in Paradise to do the same. Get horny now. Lexi's moving as if her entire church is watching. Literally, and her father is the pastor. Hey, not too much.

Not too much on my girl though. She's like, you dated someone. What did she say to Suzy when she sat Suzy down? And she's like, I just love you so much. And I just really want you to be okay with this. And I want you to feel comfortable. And I'm just so sorry, and I just love you, and you're my bestie.

I was like, you met her once, and you also broke up with him, literally an hour before she walked in. Do you think I'm gonna get Justin's rose? You are broken up. He sat there and was like, wait, what? I thought we were having a nice time. She's like, I just, you know,

I want you to see other people, I wanna see other people. How do you feel about seeing his ex-girlfriend walk in? Yeah. You did that. You sent your cell phone. You did. Everyone apologizing to Lexi during the rose ceremony,

like, I'm so sorry. They're like, for what? She broke up with him. She told him she didn't want his rose. He had no one else to give it to. And even then, why would he give the rose to a girl that says, I want to date other people, not just you? Literally.

You're saving her for other people. So he's like, hey, I made you promises when we were dating. I'd always have your back. So here's you getting a one-way stay to paradise. And she's like, you know what? Go fuck yourself. Justin can't win. Guys, it was nuts.

I know. No, and Justin got screwed over. Justin got screwed over so hard. But we do have Suzy on the show on Thursday. So I'll watch my mouth. To get some clarity. I've never been more invested in their relationship. I'm just hearing a subtext of your relationship

was boring as hell while I was following it on Instagram, but I love it now that you're not together. They were just very private. They just did mostly bits online and they didn't really like. Like TikTok trends? What do you mean bits? Yeah, they were just like influencing.

Okay. They had a lot of brand deals, had a lot of, yeah, a lot of trends. But they didn't really like, and which is fine, they just didn't share. This is definitely the first time I'm seeing, like them sitting down and Suzy crying and being like, it's just too much.

I was definitely like, oh my God. It was real. Yeah, so okay, y'all love each other. My bad. My bad, I didn't know. I thought you were just selling lip gloss. And I was buying it. I wasn't sure.

I was just like, oh, they look good together. They, you know, swipe up. You know, I was like, great. I'll take five. And then Justin crying when she rejected him. It was all, there's a lot of emotions there and I'm excited to ask Suzy all about that. So period.

Watch your mouth. I want to watch my mouth. I think your relationship is amazing on Instagram and I think whatever this is, is so entertaining to watch right now. No, listen, they showed up and decided to be like, you know what, people didn't realize that we did it. Yeah, did not.

And now I'm in it. I'm like, what are we gonna cry about next week? They're saving paradise. Facts. They honestly are. I don't really care about anyone else. No. Zoe's, if Zoe's gone, Zoe's gone.

There's really no one else. I do like Zoe. With much of a personality. Also the bombshell entrances. Okay, here's the thing about the Golden's. Is that what we're calling them? That's what I'm calling them because it's very Love Island. They're like, you know what, why don't you come in on a jet ski?

Come on a motorcycle on the sand. Except they're like fully closed. I'm really excited for like the slow-mo bombshell type entrance for the Goldens. I think it's gonna be really awesome. Oh my God, I don't need that. Yeah, but then they get in jail, you know, like jail comes in and it's just like, oh, goofy Jill's got jokes. And then... Wait, what was Parisa?

Her being like, it's catching men is like catching spiders. You save it and then you attack. It's like, you didn't write that. Did someone tell you to say that? Cause if so, fire them. I'm sorry, I'm obsessed with Parisa. I can't explain it. She doesn't make any sense.

Is it Parisa or Parisa? Parisa, okay, sorry. I'm obsessed with Persia. I can't explain it. She doesn't make any sense. Is it Parisa or Parisa? Parisa. Parisa. Okay, sorry. I'm obsessed with Parisa. Not that I'm obsessed with. So wait, she's, was there a bit that she- I'm obsessed with Persia. She's like, no, you're not.

Clearly you're not. I'm doing my best. She's a mile. All right, well that does it. So, Jill. It was a tough, when Jonathan's like, All right, well that does it. It was tough when Jonathan's like, yeah, Jill, she's got a day card. She doesn't have the rose and she can't get a date.

Why are we? Jonathan being like, she's like, you probably want to run it by, he's like, no, I already did. I told her like, it's cool, we're friends. Like we're friend zone. I was like, holy shit, immediate friend zone? It's crazy. Yeah, we can go as long as we're friends. And then she's like, well's cool, we're friends, like we're friend zone. I was like, holy shit, immediate friend zone? It's crazy.

Yeah, we can go as long as we're friends. And then she's like, well, I just wanna see if there's a cracked window that I can peek my head through. He's like, and then the whole time he's like, just so you know, we're friends. They did kiss and he was like, there was a little bit of a spark. Honestly, that was borderline unforced.

Yeah. All right. Well, that will do it for this episode. Thank you to our guests, Dana and Katie from disrespectfully and Taylor and Clark. We got a just doozy of an episode lined up for you for tomorrow's going deeper. We're not going to spoil it just because well, you know, we're just not, but I promise you, y'all will be listening and we will see you tomorrow on Thursday it's another jam-packed episode Thursday and Friday will both be jam-packed we got a stacked

lineup of guests including some little of island contestants some people from the valley Bachelor in Paradise so much to get into stay with us all week. We'll be getting into a lot. Until next time, enjoy your day!