The Viall Files - E969 – Going Deeper with Iris and Pepe

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

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super exciting announcement yesterday. My wife is the host of a new Netflix reality TV dating show. We both are. For sure, yes. We are definitely hosting Age of Attraction coming soon on Netflix. Not sure how soon, but it will be coming. And we're super excited, but I just think it's great.

I don't think people will realize how bright my wife's star is. I've been telling y'all. I'm really proud of her. It was really fun. I'm so excited for everyone to see it. It was such a crazy cool experience and it was so fun to get to do it with you.

And the cast was really great. Crew was really great. That's what we were doing in Vancouver. That's what we were doing in Vancouver for everyone who was wondering. I think it's gonna be a hit. Maybe I'm biased, but I was there. You never really know when you show up

and do these things as the host of show, you're of service to the show. Some really talented people created this show and came up with this idea and we are happy to be a part of it. But you never really know at first, but guys, I think you're gonna love it. It's really good.

I think it's gonna. It's really good. You got some drama, you got some amazing awkward moments. You got some beautiful love stories. I think it has it all, and we're excited to be a part of it. And I'm just excited. Going forward, you guys can just refer to me

as Natalie Joy's husband. I will probably be that. You did a great job. Thanks babe, so did you. It was so fun. I just keep thinking about like when we met, and obviously you loved your career in healthcare, but now you're the host of a Netflix.

No, it's crazy. So, I just, people need to start paying more attention to you, that's all I'm saying. Anyways, without further ado, let's get to the couple you guys have been waiting to hear. We loved hearing more about them, I think you will too. This has been a very busy week. Obviously we've had a ton of Love Island stars on the show.

So be sure to check out all of our Love Island episodes this week. There's a lot of them. We had Taylor and Clark on Tuesday, Chris Sealy on Wednesday. I thought that was a fantastic episode with a really great guy. And I think you guys should listen to that episode.

Amaya, Papaya and Brian on Thursday, and today Iris and Pepe. You guys ready to rock and roll? Yeah. We're excited to be with you guys. Like we just wanna, we love to like have these conversations. So it's like, like we just wanna get to know you guys. Like we've been such fans of you guys, both as individuals.

I think you guys kind of shocked the world. We were like, you know what? God damn, they do look good together. But we were as caught off guard as Iris. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, thanks for taking the time.

We're huge fans of both of you. How you always like to start these conversations? Like how are you guys feeling? How are you acclimating to back to reality? It's gotta be such a mind trip. Iris, how are you feeling of being like the 2015 It Girl, Brandy Melville, like Tumblr era? I love it, I feel like it's, it caught my vibe so,

like people understand me and I like, I couldn't have asked for anything better, like you know, to be perceived that way, I think it's so cool. It's iconic. How'd you guys end up on the show? Were you fans? What was that process like?

I had never seen the show before. Oh, sure. I posted it, my friends were telling me you should start doing social media and I was never really into it. And they pushed me into it and I posted a TikTok and it kind of went viral. And then I got hit up from the show.

Damn, off one TikTok? What was the TikTok? Was your dick out? You're like, I am really good at this, the holy shit. You know what? It was the worst TikTok I could have possibly ever posted. I think the thing that would have been posted about me now, I'm like, wow, I don't know why this one ever did good.

Are you, so I'm guessing you're aware of the like, daddy's home. The like edits of Pepe that are everywhere. The babies. All right, yes. I just want to say that as soon as you walked into the Villa Pepe, I was like, I like this guy, he's legit.

Natalie, not that she didn't like you, but she wasn't so sure. Bombshells when they walk in were always like, it's very high school, we're very standoffish. Like, who's this new person? Yeah. Yeah. You know what, I thought it was gonna be like that

in the villain, it wasn't, so. It was for me. It was for you. Say more Iris, what do you mean by that? You know, when I first walked in, I feel like the girls were like, who's this new girl? You know, like why is she talking to my man?

And I was like, I just wanna get to know everybody, I just wanna talk to everybody, even if you're my friend. Cause if you don't talk to people, you're walking around the villa and you're like, hi. And it's just like awkward. So I wanted to just have a simple conversation. And I feel like I couldn't even freaking do that because everyone was like getting so pressed about it.

Yeah, and then you were set up for failure with America being petty as hell. Yeah, and then you were set up for failure with America being petty as hell. Yeah, and I was a sacrificial lamb. Yeah, what did that feel like in real time? Like how aware were you of the whole Huda and Jeremiah relationship and drama? And yeah, like you were literally like the sacrificial lamb being thrusted in to being like, you know what, fuck it.

Let's just pair her with Iris. let's just pair her with Iris. Let's just pair them with Iris. They look good together. And like, were you like afraid in the moment? Were you like, what the fuck is going on? And how do I handle this? Yeah, I was afraid. I was like, I don't know what to think of this.

I don't know why America is doing this. Because I had, I kid you not, a five or 15 minute conversation with Jeremiah. That was it. Nothing else happened. And then next thing you know, I'm paired up with him. So I'm like, why did this happen? Do they see something that I'm not seeing? Should I explore? But then I was like, wait, wait, no, I think I know why they did this. And I would just hear Hoda and Jeremiah fight, but then they would be in love, and then they would fight, and then they'd be in love. So I was like, I don't know what's going on here.

I just got here, and I'm just like, I'm just going to go explore someone else. The viral, that's my dream date. Great. And he knows that. Were you kind of like, obviously y'all had done other's my dream date. Great. And he knows that. Were you kind of like, obviously y'all had done other things on that date? Was your mindset kind of like, I'm gonna make it like just the most bare bones. Like we just sat on the beach and like just talked. It was just like, no, it really wasn't that big of a deal.

Were you like, oh, fuck, I should have told her we went kayaking. Yeah, Jeremiah like is scared of kayaking. whole thing is freaking out the whole time and I was just like I'm just gonna say like I think I think I did Say the kayaking thing, but I think it got clipped out But I I was just also just it was just a very like kind of friendly vibe I feel like I didn't know what it looks like but for and I, we were just like screwing around on the kayak and like laughing and just, it was definitely like friendly vibes. Yeah, that definitely, it portrayed that way.

Was it the dream date that Huda thought, not, I know it was more friend vibes, but the date itself, was it like kind of dreamy? Yeah, I mean, the date was really fun. Like we got to go on a kayak under a bridge and like there was no cameras because we were on the water and we had no microphones on either. So we were just like-

Spilling all the tea. We were just like laughing and stuff. But then we got to like the little beach area where we had the drinks and they asked us, they were like, what drinks do you guys want? And separately, and I said, oh, I'll have a beer. Like I'm on the beach.

And then he got a champagne. And so when we were sitting there with this, I was like, oh my God, I'm drinking a beer alone. Like this is- She's a cool girl. So funny. Iris, how did you end up on the show? Well, I got scouted for the show, like Pepe,

and I wanted just to like, I thought of it as like a social experiment, like my person's in here and I'm gonna go find my person and you know, they're putting, if they put me in there, they're probably putting someone in there for me. And this is a once in a lifetime experience and I want to find love. And it was just like a very exciting thing for me. Yeah, I think people were really drawn to you.

I saw just, you know, just online in general, you know, you were a bombshell, you had the whole Jeremiah ordeal. And then for a while, yeah, it felt like you were just being bounced around, kind of like helping other narratives, but you never seemed really bothered by any of it, right? And I think you have this such unique character about you from a show standpoint where it's like, if it's not drama, we're not enjoying it, so to speak. A lot of times, normal nice people

that we wanna fuck with in real life, we're not sure we wanna watch on TV. But the longer you were there, people were just more drawn to this effortless confidence that you always portrayed. You really seemed to be someone everyone went to consult with. You saw over time the relationships you made with the other women were that where that kind of come from in terms of like how you moved on the show you really seem like more than anyone someone who. Really care themselves well but was consistent with how you carried yourself outside of the villa? Yeah. Well, I would have to say, first of all, thank you for saying that. I would have

to say that I have always been like that. I've always hated drama. I've always been 100% on my friends. All my friends I've never fought with ever, and I'm still friends with them to this day since I was in like fourth grade. And I just feel like it comes from like the way I grew up almost. Like my dad, he would always say like, what comes around goes around. Like you don't need to be mean and vengeful

and you don't need to get back at people. Like their karma will come to them and it's not really like your place to give them that karma. And so the way I was thinking about things is like, okay, I'm just going to be myself, I'm going to focus on myself, I'm going to be nice to everybody because that's who I am and that's what my morals are. And if someone does something fucked up, then I'm going to, that will come back to them in whatever way it does, you know?

So that's just kind of my beliefs. I mean, that sounds great. Well, what I'm hearing is like, you don't make other people's problems your problems. And I think a lot of us do that, right? Like someone's dramatic, someone like does something and we just decide to be bothered by it. We decide to be offended by it, you know, and you were just more like, okay, well, you know. Yeah, I also grew up with sisters. So like,

there's nothing that someone who doesn't even really know me can say to me that will hurt me. I have people that have known me my whole life, like my sisters, and they say things to me and I'm like, you know, it can't get worse than that. It can't get worse than that. Where do you fall in line? Are you oldest, youngest, middle? I'm the oldest, yeah. All right, how many sisters do you have?

Two. All right, is this the three of you? Yeah, we're all close in age. Just all sisters, no brothers? No brothers. Okay. Yeah, Pepe, did you know going into it that you would be walking in in tiny leather shorts?

When I first flew to Fiji, no. Okay, okay. Of getting onto the show, yes. Okay. And that was a stressful day, right? That was a stressful morning right there. Just trying to figure out how am I gonna walk in without my mother looking at me and saying,

I cannot believe this is what he signed up for. Yeah. Is it like you, do you walk differently? Like, did you try, you're like, you know, it's like, walk with as much confidence as you can. And you just hope that the second my mom saw me on the screen wearing what I wore, that she turned it off. Is that, I mean, yeah, it's a quite like, is your parents is your like grandparents? Is any of that like in the back of your head when you're doing any of these challenges when you're I thought it was going to be in the challenges and in like the day to day but the second I walked in I think for both of us since you kind of like in the

blacked out I think the second we both walked in like that, I was like, well, I don't think it can get worse than this. Okay. Okay. Killed it though. Yeah, you did. Y'all did. I'm curious, like obviously your guys' relationships got together at the end and I'd love to hear

from both of you and I'd love to hear from Pepe first. Because at least the way we saw it, Pepe, it kind of looked like maybe you had some eyes for Iris much sooner than you showed it. You know, like that, you know, right after TJ died. Kidding. RIP. You were, you were just like, hey, my bed's open. But I thought that was smooth. I'll say this, you know, we walked in together and we were doing the BTS, the behind the scenes things and yeah, I thought she was beautiful. I mean, she is beautiful. And then I got to, when we were in the

villa, we got to finally get to talking between me, her and J-Lin, the three bomb shes that walked in. And we just kept debriefing and I continue to realize like she is amazing. And I don't know if it was I haven't seen this episodes yet, but I kept saying she's a she's a badass woman has an amazing head on her shoulders. She's got her shit figured out. She's beautiful. And she's sweet. And from what it looked like from the way she was taking care of me and Jalen, and the way we were taking care of her, she was caring. So yeah, from the beginning, I always thought she was an amazing woman. It was just, you know, the unspoken rule of bombshells don't explore bombshells.

So you just, you know, you put her in a little box and you say, all right, well, you're over there. Go enjoy. I'll be here to take care of you. And so that bed scene was like, you know, it was more of like, taking care of her. It was just like us holding hands, people would leave, us kind of hugging when we were sad. It was just, it turned into a very,

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You can only date the people who are in the villa and things move fast. But obviously Iris, you had your relationship with TJ and even you, Pepe, you seem to be like close with, with TJ and even like right before TJ went home, you and TJ had like a heart to heart and you complimented TJ about the relationship with Iris. Like how, how did you just like work that mentally, you know, because again, you seem like a really respectful guy, really upfront guy, like you really move with what seems like a lot of character.

So how did you navigate that where it's just like, well, it is Love Island, Iris is here, like, ah, you know, like what was that thought process like? It was really, it was very hard, honestly. Cause you know, I always wanted to take care of Iris, just like I wanted to take care of Jalen, just like they were taking care of me. And whoever they were with,

kind of you want to take care of them as well. So I got very close to TJ because I cared for Iris and I wanted her to be happy. But when he left, it was tough. Cause you know, I will say it just, again, I put her in this little box. So I kind of left all my emotions about how I felt about her out. And again, I just wanted to take care of her. But the more we got to talk one on one and just kind of be together, I was like, well,

that box kind of kept opening up. And I was like, I kind of, I really like this girl. So, you know, it started in like a comforting her and just making sure that she was okay. And, and then again, you start letting those emotions kind of fall into place and you're like, well, you know, it is, it is tough. And I'm sure we'll end up having to talk to TJ, like, this is what I'm thinking thinking inside. Like we'll have to talk to him afterwards, but in the moment I just wanted to be able to enjoy time and you know, we're still there.

So I think we had that conversation with each other. Like we're still here. Let's just, you know, see what happens and just enjoy every moment. And it ended up being amazing. Yeah. We did interview TJ after he left the villa and he did express some like surprise and shock

when you didn't stand behind him. What was your reasoning for not? From what I've been seeing, it didn't get portrayed. Taylor was there for me from literally the first day I walked in. I said earlier here that when I walked in, I thought it was going to be very high school clickish. Everybody was going to, you know, I was going to sit around the bonfire with the boys and

they were all going to like move to the other side and like, we don't want you around us. But Taylor was the one that made me feel very comfortable in that situation. And he kept it that way the entire time. He was the third person that I called. I called my family and my friends, then I called my best friends, and then I called him. He reached out to me and just to see like, hey dude, how are you doing?

How are you feeling? And so it's that, I built a very strong friendship with him from literally the moment I walked in. So it was a tough decision, you know? Cause I respect TJ and he's an amazing guy. I respect Irish is an amazing woman. And I was taking care of her and caring for her the whole time I was there. So it's like, shit, like, what do you what do you do? You know, and then I had Grayson on the other side where I'm like, you know, I just kind of ended things with her and I want her to continue this experience. But it's like,

I just kind of ended things with her and I want her to continue this experience, but it's like, I can't save three people. Yeah. I mean, they love putting you guys in difficult positions that, you know. Of course. Yeah, it was just kind of, I went with my heart and I went with my gut.

I saw what Taylor and Clark had and I was like, you know what, Taylor, you've been there for me, literally since the day I walked in. I don't think I would have lasted in the villa the first three days if it wasn't for Taylor. And there's no way of repaying people other than in the villa, just, I guess, saving them, if you want to say that word. So that was my way of repaying him was, hey, dude, you know what? If it wasn't for you, I think I would have wanted to walk out of here. So I want you to. This was my way of showing him,

I've told him many times, but this was my way of finally showing him and saying, dude, I love you for everything you've done for me, and I appreciate you. And so I, you know, it's a tough decision no matter what, but you know, it's one you have to make. Iris, regarding that situation, did you feel blindsided at all by any of the women

not standing behind TJ? I definitely did. I thought my girlfriends would stand behind TJ and I, and I know it's a hard decision to make during those times because it's like a quick one. You have to decide and then stand behind that person. And I was upset, I definitely kept to myself for the next couple days and I was crying and like very, very emotional. And then I, you know, I was like, there's no, I'm not gonna keep being like this.

I need to just focus on, I have one week left here and I just need to forgive and forget. Not forget, forgive, I think, is what I wanted to do. But I definitely expressed to them that I didn't like that. That it hurt my feelings. How did they receive that? They were like, I'm so sorry, this is why I did this. I really wanted to stand behind you, I really did,

but this is my reasoning for why I stood behind Taylor or why I stood behind Austin or whoever it was. I was definitely shocked that I thought behind Austin or whoever it was. I was definitely shocked that I thought at least one of them would. So did I. One. And I thought it would be Sierra because I would spend most of my time with her

and talk to her very closely about my feelings with TJ at the time. And for her to stand behind Taylor, I was very confused, but I didn't honestly really get her reasoning why, besides that she just wanted to support Nick, but it definitely like, it hurt. Have you been able to catch up with Sierra

since you've been back? I haven't spoke to Sierra. Okay. Yeah. The internet saw a photo. to catch up with Sierra since you've been back? I haven't spoke to Sierra. Okay. The internet saw a photo. A video. A video? A little TMZ video. A little TMZ, shout out.

Of TJ, what it appeared to be walking up to your place, are you able to shed some light on that interaction, that conversation? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I was, when I was in the villa, the whole time I was thinking like, you're mic'd up, you can't like really spill your heart out

and like say things that you really wanna say or like you don't know, is this real? Like, is this fake or like, is this villa or is it real life? Or, you know, you just wanna say things that you feel like you can't or you're thinking things and like I really felt like I needed to have that closure with him and you know meet up with him in person and like I owe him a conversation and I owe him an explanation for my feelings and how I feel and I wanted to hear what he

thought and how he feels. Cause I know that we were both going through it and it was tough and you know, things probably looks like it moved really quickly, but in our time it was like a lot of space. And then, you know, then I had a connection with Pepe, but it looked like the next episode for everyone else. So I think that that's what I wanted to, but he knew that I think he understood that how it works. Yeah, I mean, we got a chance to talk to him

and no surprise, he mentioned that obviously he was a little hurt and sad, but he was very respectful. You know, like, again, they put you guys into these impossible situations where America's like, what are you gonna do? Because we're gonna hate it, you know? Like, we're gonna talk shit. So yeah, but he seemed totally respectful and cool.

Did you feel like you guys left things on positive terms where you were in a position to still be friends? Absolutely. Like, TJ is a great guy. He's so mature. He's amazing. He's the sweetest guy. And he made my beginning of my villa experience, like all of the craziness that I went through. I was like, this was really fun. You know, like I had so he, he's just amazing. And like, we will always have a friendship. But like right now you're, you're, you're boot up.

You're, you're taken right now, you know? Yeah. What about, what about you Pepe? Have you had a chance to talk to your boy TJ? I haven't. I honestly, I haven't spoken to outside of last night running into a couple of the people from the villa. I've just been really focused on being home

and being present with my family. That's awesome. And being with my dog and just relaxing. What's the name of your dog? Yeah, Rex. Rex. Yeah, just being with him, relaxing with my family and just making sure to take care of that side of it.

Obviously this has been overwhelming, so kind of just put the phones away and just said, let me enjoy the time that I can have with my family. And then, you know, and then do things like this today, knowing that I got to at least explain everything to them and tell them everything. And now when they watch it and they hear it from me, they got to hear it first.

I think that's a respectful thing to do with your family and friends, you know? 100%. Iris, Huda had some things to say about you and the villa. Did she end up coming to you and telling you the things she said or did you only hear about them after? I only heard about them after,

but she did say to me before we left, she's like, and kind of well, like during, she's like, listen, I said some things in the beginning, but I love you now and you're my girl. So I just want you to know that and be prepared for that. And you know what, I know her personality now and she says things like on the top of her head

and she'll just say it, but I know like that she has a really big heart and she's very kind and loving. And I just was like, I'm not going to take this personally because she probably didn't know how to process her emotions and she was just saying what she was feeling. This girl is stealing my man. This is how she reacted to it. But I think I actually feel like I taught her this is not the right way to express yourself.

I think you should think about what you're saying before you say it, because that can permanently tarnish friendships if they're not me, who's gonna push it over my shoulders. So I think I was able to tell her that, and I feel like she grew from this experience 100%. Yeah, I feel like that, you could almost see it in real time. I wonder how much she knew about this show or not.

You know we're going to film some time. Yeah, but as a reality TV, fans are, well, they're always hypocritical, right? It's like we want authentic people and then we just want to bash them for being authentic. And the most entertaining part is when people are reacting, thinking they're not being recorded. It's like we don't wanna see people being self-aware

and saying- It's just like craziness. Yeah, like that's totally chill. Like pulling for a chat, I'm totally cool with that. It's like whatever. And then we wanna criticize. So, but you saw someone like Hoda, seemingly want to learn in real time.

It's hard to change overnight, but she seemed to be conscious of that, of having some growth. All that being said, were you, I mean, when she, back to the whole America being petty, when she was like, basically like, and Jeremiah's not even attracted to her and shit like that, were like,

were you self-aware enough to realize that was just kind of coming from like, it wasn't about you and like, kind of like, I heard people hurt people in that moment. And obviously she had every reason to feel the immense feelings that she felt in that moment. And obviously she had every reason to feel the immense feelings that she felt in that moment. Yeah, I think, you know, for me, I was just saying, she's, she's hurt, you know, she has feelings

and she really liked this guy. And then, you know, they had like a really strong connection. They were sleeping in a bed with each other every night. She was locked in a hotel room by herself 30 days or whatever prior to being on the show. So it's like, she did build a really strong connection with him. And I think that for me, I knew that it was coming

from a place of her and a place of he chose her door and not mine, you know? And I think I just took it with a grain of salt. And I was like, I know that she said that, but I know that there is somebody, like she does deserve love and she does deserve someone that's going to, I think she could, I could see potential in like her.

And I just knew that they were probably not right for each other, both of them. Like I cared about Jeremiah as well and his connection. Y'all didn't get to go to the hideaway like we all wanted, but can you do you want to debrief anything with us maybe about the two of you and your journey? You know, is the journey thing like a thing? Like do people know about the journeys? The journeys. How many journeys did you go on? Yeah, we didn't go on a journey. We just, the only time like we can go under the covers is just like sometimes to,

well, we definitely like kissed under the covers, but like we would also like talk under there too and just be like, you know, like, Hey, okay. Okay. So you have nothing to debrief with, hey. Okay. Okay. So you have nothing to debrief with us now. Okay. Follow up. What conversations have you two been able to have

in terms of like, you know, what you've learned from past relationships and things like that. Like, I don't need you guys to like talk about exes or, you know, but so much about meeting someone new is about just kind of like, have you had your heart broken before? Have you done some shit that maybe you had to learn from?

Jeremiah came on the show and talked about his infidelity and how that was a big moment of his life and how he really learned a lot from that. And we loved his accountability when it came to stuff like that. I'd love to hear from both of you, just have you had those conversations and are you guys willing to share with our audience

just how you guys came to be the people you are when it comes to your relationships and how you guys have moved in past relationships? Pepe, are you dying? Is this Pepe? Is he okay? Did it make you nervous? Joking.

I think he's not. My. That's J. Yeah. Technically I'm allergic to my dog and I haven't been around him for a while. So. You're acclimating. He is allergic to his dog. Which is so funny.

I'm with him every day. And now I'm like back to it and he's sleeping on top of my throat. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Yeah. I'm back. Okay, sorry. Your body has to acclimate. True love. Just gotta put up with it, you know?

Yeah, I think like Pepe and I've had conversations about our past relationships. We've gotten like really deep about our, you know, how we grew up and like our lives, our families, and we talked about our friends, and what else did we talk about? We talked about exes and almost everything really. Yeah.

Just kind of what makes us us. But I think right now we just really focus on, we already know that part of it, and now it's just, let's see what we can do together. I think every relationship's completely different. Did you guys have to have a conversation, whether it was prior to or after the finale, where maybe both of you sit at the same time

or one of you was like, are we gonna do this kind of outside of the villa? Well, yes. I was gonna say, well, I think when you're in there and you talk to somebody, you're like, do they really like me or are they just trying to like play the game, you know? But with Pepe, Pepe literally has never seen the show in his life.

Like he was even like confused about the voting. And so when he was like, I was like, he literally doesn't know anything and he really is here for love. And like, he's really here to find somebody. So I really trusted him. And like when we had those conversations, and we were just like very honest with each other. And like, we

would look at each other sometimes we'd be like, you know, like if something was weird, like we didn't fake anything, we were just really truly stayed true to ourselves. And when we did have a conversation towards prior to leaving, it was something along the lines of like, we're really enjoying our time here together. We're this is crazy that, you know, we're leaving here together. And we found this connection so late into Love Island, but we want to explore on the outside too. explore on the outside too. And it's where we were both really excited to do that. But I don't think we had really pressure for labels quite yet, like being exclusive or I think now like the way we both see it is like we both date one person at a time, you know, like we're both into each other and we're both focused on one another Yeah. Yeah, I think it's yeah It's just that you know is dating like we normally would in the outside world and in the villa

We've learned how we each stayed in the outside one. It is date date one person Follow through with it Until either the end until you realize like no, this is my this is what I wanna do, and then you can put a label on it. But until then it's just, day like we normally would and just be together for as long as possible, as much as possible, to really see if we like each other and wanna be with each other for a very long time.

And once we figure that out, then you guys will probably see it. What did y'all feel like was the most challenging part of building a connection so late in the game? I don't think it was challenging at all. I think it was, I feel like we built a connection in the beginning of just that friendship and that caring. And I think most best and great relationships

come from that, you know, come from actually caring for somebody, caring for them to be happy. And we even had that conversation after like when we got out and it's like, hey, like I just want you she said it to me, I said it to her, like we just want each other to be happy. And if it's together, then great. And if it's not together, then great. Like no matter what, as long as she's happy, I'll be happy. And I think that's the beauty of us being able to have built a friendship first before even anything getting romantic.

Yeah. And I think like, like the romance part, like the comfortability part was there. I felt comfortable coming to him talking to him and everything like that. But it was just the romance part that was late. And that was just like, we did have that chemistry, which is really nice. And we were both always like into each other. We just never explored it. Yeah. So it's really nice to I think it definitely took a while to, you know, we had a conversation the next morning and we were like, yeah, this is a little not weird, but it was like, we're both comforting each other. And it kind of that emotional box of saying like,

oh, I kind of, I wanna explore this. But then like, you kind of quickly closing it like, no, no, relax, like she's a bombshell, you're a bombshell. No. Yeah. And then it just naturally happened, you know, I think there are another conversation and then the challenge where we first really got to,

you know, do what challenges are. And I think after that, it was just smooth. We felt comfort within each other and then we felt the attraction and then we kissed. And I was like, okay, now there's the rest of it. Yeah. After seeing the video of TJ and Iris, obviously you know the truth, you're talking to Iris,

but the internet kind of started spiraling and being like, oh my God, they're reconnecting, they're rekindling everything. How did that make you feel, Pepe? She spoke to me about it before. We were on FaceTime before and she told me like, hey, look, I really wanna, and she told me the same thing with Hannah

and I told her too, like we need to, again, tell these people how we really feel because we saw the internet and they're like, oh, this is fake. Again, from we need to, again, tell these people how we really feel because we saw the internet and they're like, oh, this is fake. Again, from one episode to the next, that's what it looks like, but it wasn't from one night to the next. It definitely was, you know, later into that progress. So making sure that, and they knew it, but it was making sure that we were able to tell them as well, like, hey, we didn't just, oh, next morning we're good to go. We just forgot about it.

Like you never forget about it. And also making sure that they understand like, hey, this is real. So I didn't, when she told me like, hey, this is what I wanted to do and I was, I'm all for it. Like she deserves that and so does Teej and yeah. So you had a chance to talk to Hannah as well. I haven't yet.

Again, I put my phone away. Yeah, okay. Just with family. Yesterday I was very busy just taking care of not just some interviews and some podcasts, but as well as my family and making sure that they're all good. And today's really the first day that

I try to have a conversation with her last night, but we just could never do it. And I'm planning on having one today with her. Again, once she has time. We're all very busy, so. Yeah. I was just lucky that TJ was in town, so it was like, hey, great, you know? It made it a little bit easier to just say like,

all right, let's meet up for a little bit and let's get it out the way. I think TMZ was gonna. Yeah. They're following your guys' asses, I'm sure, everywhere. Be safe out there. Did you see them at all, or did you wake up being like, oh, fuck? No, my friends, we were driving and I was like, oh, hey, I want to talk to TJ.

Will you drop me off here? And they were like, yeah, sure. We were blasting music. We were dancing in the car. And then I was looking around and I was like, is anybody around here? And then I didn't see anybody. It must have been somebody in a car or something. Yeah, they probably were.

Behind a bush. When Sierra, Pepe, when Sierra told you, she told you she had her reasons for not saving Hannah. We didn't get to see that. It was just like, they got the vote. We were all like, what the fuck? Did she get to share with you what those reasons were and did it make sense to you?

I didn't see and I didn't I don't think I got the full reasons. Again, we're mic'd up. And this a lot of this is our emotions and our feelings. And I don't think in our personal lives, even though we're in the village, still our personal lives. And I think some people, when it came to very tough decisions, it was like, I don't want it to be out in the world of the reason why I felt this way. I think that's more of a one on one conversation that Sierra can have with Hannah, like, hey, this is why I did this. And, you know, I'm sorry, or whatever.

But not I think we're all in shock. And even I think we still are kind of trying to figure that out. But there's no harm, no foul, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, we're all put in tough situations every single day in that villa. And so in that moment, you know, you're like, what was this about? And you can read into it as much as you want while you're there. But I think everything happens for a reason. And as long as like you can get out of it and still be friends, I think that's all that matters.

So that makes sense, I think that's all that matters. So. That makes sense, respect that. Pepe, do you know what the Pepe blonde? Is that, I mean, like, listen, we all have a type. My wife's not the first brunette I've dated. Is that typically like your wheelhouse? It's not. I don't, I honestly don't have a type.

Like it's ironic, I've had three exes in my lives and they're all look three different ways. Um, it's just, I think attractive is an attractive, all the girls in there with attractive, all the guys in there are attractive. Everybody's attractive in there. So at that point it was, I just put my mind aside and said, let me go with what my heart feels. And for some reason I just, the sweet girls, like for a reason we're blonde And the ones that kind of just, I felt comfort in. So yeah, it's just what happened.

But no, definitely there's no type. Shaggy's attractive, but she is a beautiful girl and she's a sweet and caring woman as well. I mean, we saw the iconic polka dot bikini that you let Alandria borrow. Yeah. From your video. Are y'all all kind of just like sharing clauses?

Is it very much sisterhood in there? I like always am at the beach. So I have so many bikinis. So I was like, this is perfect. It's like, I'm going on the violin throw and all of my bikinis that I've collected throughout the years. You have quite the collection.

I'm like, the girls are gonna love me because I'm bringing the girls are gonna love me. And I was so excited to wear that bikini. And it's actually kind of funny because Vanna, who was in Casa, she came in like two days, like she came in really quickly. So she was able to like, be on the outside for a little bit. And she mentioned to me, she was like, wear the red bikini. Because she's on Instagram or something. Yeah, it's the TikTok. I'm like, OK, I'll wear the red bikini tomorrow.

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in your browser for half off your first year. That's 50% off your first year at Monmoney.com with code V I A L L. Stop running and start growing. While we were watching, I know Nali kind of briefly mentioned this earlier, but Nali was just like raving about, you know, how you looked without makeup and just like, you know, you're just a beautiful woman. But like so much about this show, like every morning guys bring the women breakfast women are getting ready putting on their glam and I think Nally was asking me like wondering like what like what made

Iris like switch up one day and just decided to go like makeup free you know because I don't know is there pressure about putting glam on at the time did someone say something to you like I don't know like what made you like switch up and decided to go, you know, natural? I just feel like I really just didn't know how to, cause I was doing my makeup, but I guess I just didn't really know how to do it. You're like, what do you mean?

I was glammed every day. Some people were saying that I'm like, okay, I'll work on it. I don't think she needed any of it. I mean, you looked great. Yeah. I mean, like it was like tinted sunscreen. So like, I don't even know what it might, it's funny. My roommates are, um, beauty, like TikTok influencers.

And so they, they do makeup and they kind of like taught me a little bit, but I, in Fiji and the sun and everything, like what you wear is going to come off your face. And you know, I just, I just was like, I can't do this. Either way, everyone loved you. You looked great. Are y'all getting in the pool? Like, or is it just cut out of scenes because you can't wear mics in the pool?

Like, is anyone getting in the pool? Yeah, we were, well. Well. Well. I was getting in the pool every day. Well, if you get in the pool, you have to like, you know. Redo everything. It's not fun to be like, wet, wearing wet clothes,

like till nighttime. Now that makes sense. That's true. It's like, if you go in the pool, then you're probably gonna be in the same swimsuit till nighttime and it's like. Oh, cause continuity, you can't change swimsuits. Yeah, so That's true. If you go in the pool, then you're probably gonna be in the same swimsuit till nighttime and it's like. Oh, cause continuity, you can't change swimsuits. Yeah, so it's like.

The boys, we were definitely jumping in. I put my feet in. Girls were definitely feet in. Boys were definitely, right after hitting the gym, were jumping in the pool. It's 90 degrees out there. We're sweating like crazy. And the only way to cool off

cause you can't shower is jumping the pool. It's not good for the girls though. Are you working out so much because you have so much downtime Pepe? Are you in better shape leaving the villa than going in or is it you're not getting the same type of workouts? No, I wish you don't even get to work out that much.

It was like, honestly what happened more than likely was you'd get maybe a third of the way through your workout. And then they'd be like, you got to go do this. And it's like, and then you do whatever you have to do. And you're like, I don't feel like working out anymore. They're like, we got the shot. Tell him we need them. So it's like, man, you do wish you were, but I think all of us, all the boys, that was what we were complaining about. We're like, Hey, you know what? If anything happens next season, they better get a better gym.

Like that's all we hope for. It's not a fair gym at this point. We just hope for the next season to get an amazing gym. That'd be cool. Speaking of your friends, so much conversation online was about each cast members, handlers as they call them online. Yeah.

And you know, some handlers seem to walk a different way, move a different ways. How did you feel about your friends and how they handled your social media? They seemed like they did a good job from my end, I don't know, but. Yeah, no, they killed it. Other people like created a bit of a firestorm for others.

Like, yeah, how did you go about that decision? Because for other people, we were just like, these people aren't friends. Well, I keep a very tight group of friends. And all the people that I'm friends with, I trust them. And they're all good people. The girls I live with, I live with four girls. And we live in a house and like,

we are all the same person basically. And I was like, one of my roommates, Bella, I was like, you're going to run my Instagram for me, because I know you're going to kill it. And she, and then my friend Melissa, like I think they both like did things on my Instagram and then my TikTok. And I was looking at it when I came back and I was like, this is hilarious. Like they were like doing the meme thing.

They were doing like the makeup thing. It was so good. Everything that they did and like, it was amazing. I mean, you had to have made a killing on like your LTK link clicks because they were linking every outfit you wore. It really did. I like, I was like, I didn't ask them to do much.

I just said like, just do whatever you feel. Like, I trust you guys. And they did. And they did the LTK thing and they put my clothes up there and they put like all of this. They were working. What else did they do? They did something else that I thought was pretty funny, but I can't think of it right now. Oh, they did like reaction videos. Oh yeah. Yeah, they really seem like they had

your best interest in mind. And it was just kind of fascinating because I don't think that's the case with everyone. Who they asked to handle their social. How'd you go about that, Pepe? One of my really good friends, Jason, was he manages some accounts and he just kind of was like, you want me to do it for you?

And I was like, you know what? Nobody else in my family could possibly do it. So I was like, yeah. And honestly, he killed it. Him and a good friend of mine as well kind of just went back and forth with that TikTok threads. So Instagram, TikTok threads, Snap, I mean mean the whole thing, you know, and they killed it. It's one of those things that going into it, I was like, I might get a couple thousand

followers, like nothing crazy. So, you know, just have fun with it. Don't go overboard. Obviously, not only did they go overboard in the right way, but it came out with a lot more than that. So, it was great. I mean, I appreciate them for, like you said, having my best interest in mind and taking time out of their busy day to do that. Cause it definitely isn't, I mean, there's no way it could have been a one, two minute, 10 minute thing. They definitely had to put countless hours into it.

No, that's a job. Yeah. Love. And yes, that comes from just love. Wait, let's circle back to you inviting Iris into your bed. Can you give us more context? Why did you do that? There was a clip that I like opened up my sheets

and said, like, it kind of looked like, and I said, do you want to come here? And they obviously clipped that out and made it very, which is hilarious. But it was one of her sheets had like spray tan being out. But it wasn't from me. No, it wasn't from her.

So it was like, it was just- If someone else's spray tan in the bed, I was sleeping in. And so I was like, oh. You want to sleep here, I'll sleep there. That's why he asked me to do that. Oh, shit. Okay. Wait, who was sleeping in your bed?

We honestly, the thing is throughout the day, you kind of, there's sometimes where you can take naps and whatever. So it's like. Never took naps in there. Oh, no. We have no idea. There must have been a guy's break in. And you're also a spray tan artist.

So wouldn't you like. So that's why I was like, hmm. Yeah. So that's where, it's funny that you said that. That's where that clip came from, where it was like, you want to switch beds that way, all sleep in the bed that's dirty. And then, but again, that just comes from, it's funny that like, I wish it got portrayed in that way, because just to show like how much I actually cared for it was like, and how much we cared for each other.

And she was saying like, no, no, no, I'll sleep here, don't worry. And it's like, I kind of know, like, let's, let's switch beds that way. You don't have to sleep in a dirty bed or like, not a dirty bed, but a bed that had some spray tans. I mean listen it worked out we'd love to see you guys connect but they kind of did you dirty in the moment but at all at all maybe you know what they know what they're doing you know. You know what they they did they all the they have they have the best our best hearts and interests and and you know you can only just they all they ask you to be

yourself and clear that was being myself and and they had my best heart and her best heart of interest and it worked out. So I'm not even mad about it. What are each of your love languages? Physical touch. You couldn't notice. Physical touch for both of you. Yeah, physical touch for both of us for sure. I think love language is a funny thing.

I think everybody likes all of them. It's just one kind of dominates another and hers was definitely physical touch from the beginning and then mine is as well. So I think that also made. I think I learned that in the villa that like my love like what my love language was because before I was like, I don't want to be touched by some random date, you know? But then I was like... You kind of miss it. Wait. Yeah.

I'll have my hand. Yeah, you get put in the hotel for a couple, I mean, some couple days, some a couple weeks and you're like, dang, I don't have any interaction with a human being other than like the cast manages. And you're like. Like, yeah, there's times I was like hugging you like. Like I. Yeah, you're just like, I kind of just, I want some type of affection from somebody.

Cause hugs actually like feel so like. They feel so good, especially when you haven't had one in a while. Yeah. They make you live longer. Yeah. I heard that. Natalie makes me hug her for 20 seconds. Makes. Yeah. That makes, I mean, I love it make you live longer. Yeah. I heard that. Natalie makes me hug her for 20 seconds.

Makes. Yeah. Makes, I mean, I love it, you know, but I, I'm like, one, two. Iris, how do you know so much about crows? I don't know. I just know like, I just know like random stuff like that. Like I just was like thinking about it.

And I was like, like right before I went into the villa, like I was watching something about aliens and that was in my head for a minute. I couldn't stop thinking about it and just all this random stuff was flowing through. I forgot a lot of things too. Music, I forgot how music sounds and certain lyrics to songs and I don't know, I was like, I feel like I might have short-term memory loss. So during these challenges, is it like dead silent or are they playing music through some sort of speaker somewhere?

No, dead silent is just, Yeah, it's awkward. the cast member is doing what we're supposed to do, clapping it out. Well, it's not all of them. Like when we came in to do our kissing thing in our lingerie and lace, we- Was it music play?

Yeah. I clearly blacked out on that. Wait, actually, I don't know. I don't think so. Have you guys checked out the Love Island playlist on Spotify? Oh, no. It's fire.

Y'all probably didn't hear any of the songs, but it's all the songs that they placed over B-roll. I was mowing the lawn listening to it. It's fire. Y'all probably didn't hear any of the songs, but it's all the songs that they placed over B-roll. I was mowing the lawn listening to it. It was great. Oh my God, my mom played my walkout song for me today. Oh. Like she saved it and she's like, it's so good, this is the best song.

Iris, I actually just thought of something. I did talk a little shit about you earlier when you came in. Okay. Iris, I have to read this. I'm used to it at this point. Yeah. And if I, I have to show it at this point. And if I, maybe I heard you wrong, but you said early on that you didn't like dinner. Yeah.

Oh yeah. And I was like, what is she going to do for fun when she gets older? Cause like, that's all we do is like have dinner with friends. I could be a golfer. Um, I, I just think like dinner is like, well, I mean, I met like as a first date, like after a while when you get to know someone. Oh, for sure. As a first date, it's a nightmare. It's like a whole meal of food. I just like hate dinner dates and I hate just sitting across the table from someone and just like, what should we get? What do you want to eat? Like, okay. So it's a date thing.

Let's go do something fun and like break the ice and like, you know, I just feel like I've been on a lot of awkward dinner dates. I totally agree. I wasn't sure that makes sense that you were talking about like just dates. Yeah. Not for the rest of my life. Of course. Yeah. I was like, man, this is not kind of. No, we were talking about that last night. Yeah. We were literally talking about this last night. So funny. It's like we like the, the like the fun dates, but every once in a while you kind of want to dress up and go to dinner. Yeah, just sit across from each other and just eat and talk.

But we definitely are more of let's get out there and do something fun. Yeah. So have you all planned any sort of date? Yeah. You know what? It's funny. We planned so many in the villa and then because we didn't think it was We don't know how much the show blew up

And again, I think we both only thought we're gonna get a couple thousand followers like it wasn't gonna be crazy We also weren't very true in the to the drama. So it's like we're probably not being shown that much So we might be fine. Get away fun summer. Yeah, we're like we might be fine Let's go get away and do the fun things, but then we saw how what it ended up being like a bunch of meet and greets you got to do. Yeah. Yeah. So now it's like all these fun days. We're like, it's gonna be a little bit harder to get them done. It's funny hearing your perspective because truly I think that's at first, I think for both of you, because you guys are both so mellow. Like you weren't part of the drama.

I mean, you guys, I guess got plenty of airtime and then, you know. Really? Oh yeah. Yeah, but like- Not enough, but like you definitely weren't like- But I feel like the overall, yeah, you guys were just kind of like,

just this is the kind of there. And I feel like America both for different reasons, you know, like even like before you guys even got together, I feel like America was like, wait a second, Pepe's cool, he's hot. And same. I feel like America was like, wait a second Pepe's Cool, he's hot and same thing with Iris. It's like wait a second Like it's refreshing. We love this shit You guys were a slow burn but in the best possible way and it's like America decided that they were sleeping on both of you In a weird way. Yeah, and it's kind of great that you guys came together as a couple because it's almost like we were also sleeping

On the potential of you guys. So it was kind of poetic in that way. Yeah, that was nice. I think we both kind of just stayed on the outskirts of all of it and just kind of butted our way, stuck our toe in when we wanted to and we were like, this is like what I want to do. And then it was the drama kept coming. We were like, well, let's kind of scoop it. Like we out. We both definitely had strong opinions towards things. We gave our take on it and we were like, do what you want. This is what I think you should do, but it's up to you, I support you and love you.

We said we would do that for our friends in there. But then, you know, if they did something that we didn't agree with, we'd be like, okay, well, that's your decision. And like, that's what the route you took and you can can have you're gonna they all everyone was able to handle like every decision that they made. Yeah, and everybody had a good reason. And it's it's going off emotions. So whatever reasons you have, it's like, you can't argue, like, I feel this way, I can't say, well, you shouldn't feel that way. You know, it's like, well, it's valid, you feel a certain way, it's very valid that you

feel that way. And you moved accordingly to how you feel. And you, it's like, well, it's valid. You feel a certain way. It's very valid that you feel that way. And you moved accordingly to how you feel. And you kind of just say, okay, I respect that. And you know, let's keep on going. Yeah. We know y'all have to get going, but we are huge fans of the two of y'all. We can't wait to see your relationship unfold

and just follow the two of you as individuals. And we loved watching y'all. Thank you guys so much. Yeah, good luck to both of you. Whatever happens for you guys, it's been a pleasure getting to know both of you. And congratulations on everything. And I think I speak for a lot of people

when we're rooting for you. I also like, I'm buying anything Iris is selling, you know? You're gonna be the best influencer out there. I'm clicking the links. Well, maybe we'll all run into both of you in LA sometime. Yeah, we love it. All right, take care, guys. maybe we'll run into both of you in LA sometime. We'd love it. All right.

Take care, guys. Bye, y'all. Nice meeting you guys. Have a great rest of your day. You, too.