The Viall Files - E971 - The Valley w/ Luke Broderick, Bachelor in Paradise w/ Wells Adams, RHOM, RHOC, and Coldplay CEO

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

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I'm your host Nick and boy do we have a show for you. Later this episode we have a sit down with Luke Broderick, also known as Kristen Doty's fiance and father of her child. He is with us to talk about all things fatherhood, the Valley, obviously we ask him some direct questions about the other men on his show and he gives us some very interesting answers. Also this episode and joining us very shortly,

Wells Adams, your favorite bartender in Bachelor in Paradise joins us to talk about everything that's going on in the world plus answer all your burning questions about what's going on the beaches of paradise. Let's just bring on Wells who is standing by to ready to join the show and then we'll kick things off of them. Welcome back to the show Wells. What's up guys? How's it going? Did you paint your walls green for this appearance? I feel like last time I zoomed in with you, you had like a black and white checkered foam thing going on.

This looks great. Yes, I did it. I heard I was going to be on the Vile files and I was like, you know what guys, I have to be able to match the aesthetic. It needs to be done. So I called up my handyman. He came here, painted it last night and I think it looks pretty good. It honestly is a great match.

Are those like, are those cassette tapes in the background? No, these are. here painted it last night and I think it looks pretty good. It honestly is a great match. Are those cassette tapes in the background? No, these are... I do a golf podcast with my buddy Chad Mum, who's the executive producer for the golf show on Netflix called Full Swing. And so these are all golf pencils of places that I've played that I... That's cool. Well, how are you? What's new? Oh my God, that's cool. Well, how are you? What's new? Um, nothing. I have been gone. I've been gone forever. So Sarah was doing a Broadway show in New York. So I was in New York a lot. And then I went to Costa Rica to film this little show called Bachelor in Paradise, which was very fun. So I was gone for like a,

a month and change there and then went back to New York. And so I've just was very fun. So I was gone for like a month and change there and then went back to New York. And so I've just not been home. So it's like, and then we got back and we went to Sarah's brother's wedding. And so like, I'm just like finally back home and it just feels so lovely to be back in, in LA. Before we get into Bachelor in Paradise, I'm assuming like the rest of the world, you have followed this Coldplay CEO HR. Uh, it's brought the world together. It's really brought the world together. You always have something funny to say with regards to pop culture commentary.

I mean, is there anything that you haven't said, uh, that the rest of the world has regarding this, uh, amazing story? I mean, I, it is fantastic by the way. Like, but I do feel kind of bad because it's ruined a lot of people's lives. Like her marriage is probably gonna be over. His marriage is probably gonna be over. He's like now no longer the CEO.

I think she's no longer like the HR department head or whatever. I'm sure the company doesn't survive this. So- How old is this company? Is it? I have, I have no idea. I've never heard of it before. I mean, like honestly, like it's great branding.

The person that you guys need to get on your show is the girl that's standing. No, we've tried. We've tried. We've, I mean, like her face goes full red. She knows that she's in a space. We've reached out. Yeah, we have reached out. You feel bad?

I mean, I don't want any. I don't like, you know, my parents got divorced. I don't know if I want anyone to have to go through that. I think. Do I think it's hilarious? Absolutely. Do I think that if they just played it off and like didn't freak out and anyone would find out about it? Absolutely not. But yeah, like I think a lot of lives are gonna be ruined over going to a cold recovery. Well, define ruined. Well, first of all, what's fascinating, because now you have, now you're getting all these

different shots from people throughout the stadium and people who weren't even taking pictures of these people and you can see up in the rafters, these two people like wrapped around each other. So now you're getting all these other like pictures from people being like, oh, there they were. Like they were, they were basically on the 50 yard line up in the second deck on the ledge for like anyone to see who was looking. I mean, like forgetting about, let alone Coldplay doing the whole kiss cam and shining a spotlight on them. They're at this public venue for like, you know,

it's Coldplay. Coldplay's the type of concert where like, you run into someone you went to high school with. You know what I'm saying? Where it's just like, oh, shit, you know? And these two people were just there for everyone to see. Wasn't it like a work outing? Like, didn't the other woman,

she was also like HR at the same company or something. It was giving like work outing business trip to the Coldplay concert. As they were wrapped around each other, like hanging over the rail for all their neighbors and potential friends or like people in their community to potentially recognize them or see. I will say there's a lot of misinformation

coming out about this, like even that post that claimed to be the CEO himself speaking out of like, private matter on a public stage. That wasn't real. So there's a lot of details that are just Photoshopped of people getting in there and making it a bigger story than it is. Yeah, some people have speculated

who the girl was on her LinkedIn, the woman that Wells is referencing, and yeah, there's a ton of misinformation, but Andy's still gonna be worth hundreds of millions of dollars when this is all said and done. So it's really hard for me to- Oh, that's his name? Yeah.

I wasn't even aware that was his name. The company started in 2015 and it has a valuation of $1 billion. Okay, well that doesn't mean he's worth, well, the company, did he start it? Is he the founder? Yeah, he's one of the founders, mean he's worth the company. Did he start it? Is he the founder? Yeah, he's one of the founders, yes. One of the founders.

He's probably still gonna be rich. Oh, for sure. Yeah, and she's HR. He's gonna step down. And if he is the founder, he can step down from CEO, but he still owns whatever amount of equity. Shares, yep. Now if the company doesn't survive this,

I don't know, I feel like the company's gonna thrive. Do y'all remember the last time Coldplay was in the news this much? No, when? When he was getting a divorce probably. I honestly haven't seen a headline about Coldplay in years. So this is good for him. Well, did anyone wear white at your wedding other than Sarah? My wife? I don't think so. Why did someone do

that to someone else? Caitlyn Jenner wore white to her son's wedding. I thought it was a very nice outfit. I think it was more of a beige. It had like a belt. It wasn't giving gown. It was giving mom dress. It doesn't matter if you're wearing yoga pants and a workout top. If any of that is white, you are not allowed to show up. It's a cardinal rule. It's a cardinal rule. You had a lot of celebrities at your wedding, Wells.

Were there any out of touch celebrity moments at your wedding that you thought anyone was like, oh, we should explain them how weddings work? No. I do find it funny the the Jenner thing, because it's like, as bad form, you should know that. And it's also like, look at me, everyone, which I think is probably on brand a little bit. No, for our wedding, everyone was pretty cool. I mean, I think we had to kind of explain to family and friends that there will be people that

you recognize. Please don't make them feel uncomfortable. I think that the thing that shocked me the most was I thought that everyone would freak out the most with Safiya Vergara, which they did, but Sean White was there and like, I don't think you realize how much of like a cultural phenomenon the flying tomato was where he was, he was getting hounded and even by like other celebrities that were there, which I thought was really interesting. And he also was really, really gracious and lovely with all of it. Like understanding that like a lot of my frat bros were like, dude, we gotta get a picture

and being totally cool with it. But I was just shocked because I thought, I remember thinking that like everyone's gonna be like ogling over Sophia, which they were, but the flying tomato was definitely the big hit at my wedding. The flying tomato, remind me what the, I know Sean White, what's the flying,

is that like a trick he did? No, that was his nickname. His nickname was the flying tomato. Because he was so cold he turned red. Well he has red hair. No, he has red hair. He had a big kind of like, am I the oldest person?

He was in my yearbook for that, yes. I just didn't know his nickname was the flying tomato and I'm not like an X Games fanatic, but I've known who Sean White is and known who he was for some time. I was not familiar with the Flying Tomato reference. Yeah. That's how you know you've made it when you get a nickname.

That sounds like something you'd order at In-N-Out. I would have rather not have that be my nickname. Like if your whole life, you're just like, God, I always wanted a nickname, I wanted a nickname, and people are like, I got it. It's perfect. The flying tomato. I would have been like, just call me Sean.

Yeah. Well, he is what he is. He is the flying tomato. Okay. Let's get into some Bachelor in Paradise. I first want to know, I felt like the network on necessarily threw some shade your way. I think it was last week's episode when it was a Jill.

Yeah, Jill. Jill was like, where's Wells? And they're like, oh, he's not working. She's like, oh, like typical. I was like, why is this guy getting fucking shrapnel here? I feel like Wells would have been happy to show up. He's there. He's there, he's like living down there.

I don't know why you guys didn't decide to use him in this scene, but like why are we throwing our boy Wells under the bus? Yeah. And it was an interesting way where they put that, which I think that actually were kind of defending me in it because on that day, I think I bartend during the day and then I go moonlight at my other bar, which is where the double date happens.

So like the, the, the thought that like, I'm not working on a day that I had to work two jobs I think is, is kind of funny, but also like, Jill's funny. And like, I think that was a great line. Like I'm, I'm down with that and her talking trash about me. And it's like, I mean, to be honest with you, she is doing such a good job narrating that like if she wants to talk about me, I'm all for it. How are you liking the, just the new structure of Paradise? And I guess what was your thoughts like on the ground floor?

Obviously you've been a part of several Paradise seasons before, different location, different vibe. What was the process of, you know, you and Jesse and Hannah and then the showrunner, what did that look like? You know, how collaborative was the new producers with you guys? Or just like, how did you feel about your involvement with the season in general as

it like kicked off? You know, I'd heard that they were going to be making some big changes and making some big swings on this new season. And I agree with ABC and Warner's decision to do so. I think that the only constant in life is change and you have to constantly keep evolving. So I was excited for all the different changes. I went and had a meeting with Scott and his team before we went and did the show, just because I wanted to make sure like I understood what the vision was and felt comfortable going forward and then also

wanting him to understand kind of like what because he doesn't come from the bachelor world, like kind of what my role has been in the past and how I'm like best utilized and stuff. So we had a good conversation. And what you know, they showed me a lot of, of what the ideas were for the show. And then, you know, what the set was going to be like and what it was going to look like. I think the thing that I was most excited about was the visual aspect of it, because the show, I mean, this is such like insider baseball, but like we've used the same cameras ever since the

beginning and that we're super antiquated. Like they were sending back, you know, old like DVRs, you know, through some of that like courier them back. And now we have like these really cool new DJI, like, I think they're called like chicken cameras that are just like, really cinematic and beautiful. And so when we got there to Scott kind of shared with me like, like how it was gonna look, how slick it was gonna be. And I was like, oh, this is cool.

Cause the show, you know, has always been like really, really sexy, but I feel like you couldn't really see it with the cameras that we were using. And now I do feel like it has this like new skin that I think is really, really cool. And I like the new direction that we've gone. I think it's fun, it's fun.

It looks cool. And like you can't keep doing the same thing over and over again, you know? Eventually you have to make some moves. And I get it, like there are parts of me that are still old school, like get off my lawn, bachelor nation person. Like I missed the opening song a lot.

Like I think that's very iconic, you know? Like I want there to be outtakes, funny credit roll at the end. I think they got that note because they did that in this last episode. But I like all the changes. I think it looks really cool and I think that it positions the show and the franchise to continue moving in the right direction.

Well, there's one thing we had been talking about up into this episode was just how you guys are dumping a lot of people real fast. I was surprised when the season premiered and it seemed like they didn't lead with some of their bigger stars. I mean, I do think Bachelor in Paradise has a bit of a star problem right now, but they do have a few stars that they did cast and they didn't showcase them.

And then they did bring them out, but then they sent a lot of them home. And I'm just curious, your thoughts on, I guess, the Susie and Justin of it all. How's that work? Obviously, we you know, I guess the Susie and Justin of it all, how's that work? Obviously we had a chance to talk to Susie and she, I was surprised because it really felt like the way it played out that like ultimately

it was almost like a stunt cast where they got Susie and Justin to buy in, to come in, talk about their breakup and leave. After we got to talk to Susie, it really didn't feel like that's what it was her perspective. She seemed like she wanted to come down and really for the first time, you know, she's been outside of bachelor nation for like four years.

She's finally coming back. There was talk about maybe in her evening, the Bachelorette. So I thought she was a really great cast for you guys. And then like she was there for like a half episode. I just would love to hear your perspective on just kind of one, just like the kind of fast paced dumping and kind of a lack of investing in some of these characters and just some of the bigger stars who have come and gone already in the season.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Um, I, and you may or may not believe this, but this new production companies, Theos about like producing a show is very much less hands on than it has been in the past. And so you, you don't get to have both, right? Like either you have something that's happening in real time, and these are real decisions that people are making, or you're overproducing something and forcing something into something.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. So I, you know, the producer brain and me thinking like, you're not wrong. We lost a lot of stars that one rose ceremony and it was great TV, right? Like I, you know, I was sitting on the sideline watching it being like, Oh my God, what's going to happen? This is amazing television. And we're in, in my mind, I'm like, we're in episode two. And then, and then I started being like, but at what cost, you know, we are losing a lot of really, really big names. And so it was, I was like, this is great television, but also like, what are we going to do? And like, I can't believe Susie is gone. I can't believe Justin's gone.

I can't believe that was the decision that was made. I can't believe Susie didn't accept it. Like all this stuff, but it made for really, really compelling television. And you know, I think in the, I think that you could think that in the past, things would have been manipulated to keep people there and make it so you had all your stars there. But that would be kind of less authentic, I think. So it was what it was. Um, I thought it was great TV.

And the thing that I think, um, it's harder to see the forest for the trees from your perspective or from the audience perspective, is there is a big thing that's coming that's also going to be a big kind of like star in the show, right? Like, and like, and also how that works and how that changes everything. And then, you know, these exercises that are really testing these relationships and seeing like how ironclad they are, is there new and interesting wrinkle that I think a lot of people aren't going to, aren't

thinking about like will be really, really dramatic and will be good TV. Do you think the money will be, you know how in previous seasons, whether it was just the threat of good intentions, right? Are you here for the right reason? When social media took off in 2016, 17, 18, 19, in some ways it's inserted into the show as a way to challenge these people's characters.

Will the money that's available for these people to win be, I guess for lack of a better word, weaponized by the cast members against each other or the show itself to question the intentions of these cast members, whether they're in it for the money or whether they're in it for love. And like how messy is the money gonna like make the show in the best possible way?

I mean, the answer is like, yes, I think that that, and that's the hope, right? Like, because what you're doing is you're adding stakes to these relationships, right? And that's really all you ever want to do when you're making good television is to like express what the stakes are. The stakes are huge, right? And that's really all you ever want to do when you're making good television is to like, express what the stakes are. The stakes are huge, right? Like it's these lasting relationships, but then there's also this money that's involved. And then

who's playing the game for the money who's playing for love? And is there anyone who's doing both? Can you do both? Like I think that that's what's super interesting about this season and what like makes me really, really excited. And like to go back to your point of like, did we just lose all our stars in episode three? Like what happened? But then it's like, yeah, but I mean,

I know what happens because I was there. Like we're gonna go down a road that is going to be super dramatic. And I don't know if you needed to have big stars for those fireworks to happen, you know? What was it like sitting front row to Jonathan and Alex's love journey? Yeah.

Okay, first of all, I love Alex. I love someone who is just so unapologetically themselves. Like I think that's, it's a rare thing these days. And to do it on TV, I think is very, very cool and endearing and like she doesn't wear makeup. She's just like quirky and nerdy and like English is her second language. So she's like, doesn't understand a lot of our sayings. And so like seeing her be awkward just in just in general, I think it was like

amazing television. And I thought like really cute too. Jonathan was interesting because like he's so handsome. Like I don't get it. Like I'm I'm still confused. Like I think he's got cool style. Every rose ceremony, I was like, what is this outfit? I want to dress like this. Like, how did you do this? He always looked like he was like going to be in like a skit and West Side story. Like, I thought he looked cool. He's handsome. He's got a great smile.

Like, he's gregarious. He's fun to be around. I couldn't understand. He's charming, too. Yeah. Like, I don't know why he like, you know, he kind of got friend zoned with Jen and it feels like he got friend zoned with Alex and it's like, what's going on, man? We got to figure this out, but you know what?

There is precedent for this. And it's funny because of who does it. This is exactly what happened to Andrew two season ago, where, you know, he came in, he thought he meant in Piper, we're gonna be like this thing similar to what I think Jonathan and Alex thought they were going to be. And it just turned out to not be the thing. And then he was like, kind of floundering. And you know, he kept on saying this thing of like, I keep getting in my own way. And then

we're like, we're throwing every hot chick we got at you, like, what's going on, dude? And the same thing's happening to Jonathan this season, which I think is funny. And we say it, I say it every year and no one ever listens to me. It's really frustrating, but like everyone comes in there with like intentions on who they want to date and, and you know, like they think that they have, you know, pre-produced this whole thing for themselves and it never works out. It always is a failure. The ones that work out are the ones that no one saw coming.

Um, and I think that's kind of what happened to Alex and, and Jonathan, I think they probably put a little bit too much, you know, pressure on that being a thing and then not allowing themselves to like explore elsewhere. But I will say that the relationship now with Alex and Andrew is like the cutest thing in the world. And like, I love Andrew because I've already filmed a show with him and he's just like a really like positive vibes guy. Then seeing him with like this like really lovely nerd is like chef's kiss. I love them so much.

The last time we saw Andrew, we were at the Hulu Get Real event and I had River with me and he turned around and saw River and went, ah, started screaming out of excitement and River just started sobbing. He was like, I'm so sorry. The most Andrew thing ever.

What do you make of Dale and Kat? I mean, our read is she had her first season. There was some drama. There was some speculation on crazy. And she's come back to say, no, this is who I am. There shouldn't be speculation. There's no speculation. Except me for what I am.

I wear my emotions on my sleeve. Like you being like, look, you don't even have hives. And she's like, oh, I had them an hour ago. Or whatever. She's just, in the best possible way, she's really owned who she is. She's excellent at all. Yeah, kind of going back to the Alex of it all,

I love Kat. I know that she can be polarizing to the audience, but one, she's just a, she's so authentically herself and like nothing will change that. And I, I think that that's really cool. And she knows that she's coming across as like a little wacko when she's like freaking out on the boat and like bugs and everything. And she still is like, this is who I am. And so I appreciate, I appreciate her

for, for that. She's also just like a fantastic TV maker. When I sit in back and watch, I'm like, bless you. You're so very good at this. That scene where she's talking to Dale and Dale says, you are reminding me of my ex. Claire. And her response is amazing. No notes, 10 out of 10, like fantastic response. But then also like the weight.

What was her response again? Remind me. She was just like, it was just like a facial expression. She really didn't even do anything other than like what? And it was just like, it was perfect. But that, him saying that had so much weight because we all know who he's talking about. Like, we remember when she was talking to raccoons in paradise, you know, like to equate cat to this person is why it was wild. And obviously I wasn't there for that. So I didn't know that happened. So I watched it with you, you know, being like, oh my God, I can't believe he said that. Now in Dale's defense, because of his back of his background, and

having this whirlwind relationship with Claire and not really getting the normal experience that myself and Nick you had on the Bachelorette, he came in there very much like options open, not getting engaged, not going to happen want to date around, just want to have a good time. And that was very well known. And Kat knew that. And so in his defense, he wasn't doing anything

that he didn't say he was going to do. And then also in Dale's defense, we're in day like five, you know, or six. I mean, it says day eight, but like I think when he makes out with Ali Joe, it's pretty early on. So, you know, I give him a little bit of grace for that. Now, the way that he responded to it, I think is not awesome.

If if anyone says the word deaded one more time, I'm going to deaded myself off the show. Did he make that up? Is that like a verb? No, I've heard it before, but like not used that many times in one evening. Also, he is not like a Gen Z person that would, you know, like that's like him saying like, this is mid or Riz or something, you're like, you're too old to do this.

I don't think this works. Like Dale saying period 15 times during a conversation with his, period. Like, you know, it's kind of fun once in a while to throw it around. Well then Kat even made a joke about it. She was like, if I hear you say dead, as long as you don't say dead at it again, we'll be good. And he like didn't, it went right over his head.

He was just like, but I did, I deaded it. He got mad. Yeah. Stepping away from like breaking down their actual fight, I thought it was really interesting and this is a little maybe BTS. And I'm curious if there was like a specific, intentional creative choice. He got mad. Yeah. Stepping away from breaking down their actual fight, I thought it was really interesting, and this is a little maybe BTS, and I'm curious if there was a specific,

intentional creative choice. Part of Dale's whole hangup of this whole interaction was, why are you bringing it up now? Why are you bringing it up right before, or in the middle of a cocktail party, or right before a rose ceremony in the middle of a cocktail party, whatever. And I'm watching it and then thinking,

well, normally how they do these days is they sequester men and the women and leading into a cocktail party to save all the things that people wanna get off their chest to make sure that it happens during a cocktail party and then obviously drama ensues and then you have your rose ceremony

as Jesse always walks in and says, all right, well now that you're trying to get to the bottom of somethingues and then you have your rose ceremony as Jesse always like walks in and said, all right, well now that you're trying to get to the bottom of something, it's time for the rose ceremony. And then like end of show, here you guys very like a la Love Island where like there was a rose ceremony in the middle of an episode

and then you saw the conversations and the night continue in the same outfits and the same vibe following the rose ceremony which I don't think we've ever seen before, which I really enjoyed that wrinkle, but how did the show come up with that decision to do that? Because that's a very, very different beat and a very different way of producing this show

that's different than anything they've ever done before, which to your point, I think, the old way, that's more hands-on, making sure people are separated, making sure conversations aren't happening. How that all, how that all like play out. Yeah. So that was not the case this season, right? Like there was no sequestering on rose ceremony days. Um, and I remember when like the first one happened and I'm like, you're letting them hang out? Like, what do you, what do you talk, do you have cameras on them? You know, don't you want this for tonight? And I think that is, again, that's like a testament to like this new production company and Scott's vision of like, let the let it happen

naturally. Like if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I think that I wonder if Dale's concern or like, why are you doing this now is still rooted in like an old guard of production thinking that maybe she's just doing this to cause drama on a night that like you're looking for drama. I think that she was just being honest, like she was just annoyed by it. And also like his response to it. I think he could have, he could have done it a lot better than he did.

And then also being like, well we come from different backgrounds and stuff. Like yeah, of course you're one of us. You know? What are you talking about? Well, that's just your point. Unless you're like your sister, of course you've come from different backgrounds. His response to everything that Kat said

was like just dismissing it entirely, which is like either it was old news, I edited it or like we just have a way of handling it. He never like dealt with the actual issue, which is regardless of when or how it happened, like I just wanted to know, and I just would love a heads up, and just kind of want to make sure that,

whether we're two weeks in, seven days in, 24 hours in, that we're on the same page, which despite like Kat's, you know, eccentricities, that's a very rational request from Kat. Totally. I was watching the show with my wife last night and I w I had this like kind of epiphany. I was like, I know why I'm not on this show anymore.

And I know why they are, uh, as like a married man, you realize sometimes, and a lot of time your partner, women partner, women want to be heard. And you can see that like, I'm not sure if Kat's like really angry that he made out with Ali Jo. I think what she's angry is that he's not hearing her and he's like being defensive. And I think that if he had just been like,

I totally hear where you're coming from, I can't change the past, things have changed, but I totally understand where you're coming from. I can't change the past. Things have changed, but I totally understand where you're coming from and I would like to move forward. I think things would have been a lot better. Yeah, like yeah, when we do that in relationships, I don't think she was looking to start a fight. I think she was looking for clarity. For your point, is this like early in the relationship,

the whole premises of the show, you're dating but you're not dating. It's just like modern dating where it's just like, you know, we're exclusive, we're not exclusive, but we're dating but we're not dating, it's just like modern dating where it's just like, we're exclusive, we're not exclusive, but we're dating, but we're not only seeing other people, like what's going on? So this was Kat's way of checking in, what's going on, and then she wanted to feel validated.

She wanted to have some clarity, downplay the kiss, or acknowledge her expectations of communication and instead of offering clarity or some type of validation about his feelings towards Kat, it was just more like, yeah, it was kinda gaslighty in a way. Yeah, I think that they are both right and they're both wrong. That's kind of how I read it. I think that she's a little more right than he was.

What did he say when she was like, if I hadn't have asked you what, I just would have watched this back say when she was like, if I hadn't have asked you what I just would have like watched this back, and he was like, no, like I would have told you. He's like, there would have been a time. Yeah, there would have, for sure I would have. Like the CEO of Astronomer, he's just like, I just, you know, like for sure,

I was definitely gonna tell you, like just as long as it happened organically, you know? Like this hasn't happened organically yet. That was his nail. Reasoning, it was great. I wonder when you thought that organic time was gonna happen. Yeah, I'm gonna tell all.

We do have April and Jonathan together now. A little age gap-y. I know, the December, May relationship that, I don't know if anyone wants. Yeah, like, Wells, set the record straight here. You and Jesse have been teasing age gaps. I don't know if anyone wants. So what, yeah, like Wells, like set the record straight here. You and Jesse have been teasing age gaps. I don't know. Is that a real thing here?

I did say on the record last week that if, if April fucks Jonathan, I'm actually cool with that. Um, beautiful, by the way, I don't, I don't know if I need to see any of Keith flirting with Jill. I don't need that. We're good there. April gets the pass. But April gets the pass. But is that really truly a hands-off situation,

like the rest of your suggesting the show, how it's being produced? Or did we have a little fun there? I think that the cast is having fun. I'm not sure if this is like any directive of like, you gotta go after Jonathan. I think that all, first of all, all the golden girls thought that Jonathan was like the cat's meow

to put it in like the parlor. Yeah, that's an April term. Kathy was like. Yeah, like they all think that he is, because I think that they see like the West Side Story guy that come, you know, like he, he is that like kind of classic heritage good look. So like, I'm not surprised that, that April feels this way

about him, but I, I think that they were having like a little bit of fun. I, you know, the world being up in arms, that there's going to be a Bill Belichick situation happening on Paradise. I think we can close that chapter. That's not a real thing, but it's a fun dialogue and it gets people talking and stuff. My thing about April that I was disappointed in it, and I told them this, you know, she, she would come to the bar a lot and, and say, you know, I, if I can't find love, I want, I want to give the opportunity to one of these young kids, like they deserve to find love. I've had my life,

you know, like, and she started kind of like telegraphing what I, what she was going to do with like, kind of saving Jonathan. And I remember being like, I think that's a terrible decision. You're the one who's running out of time, you know, like these dumb idiots with six packs have plenty of time to find someone. Like, are you reminding April that death's at her door? Like, she deserves love just as much as Jonathan does. So please tell me you didn't tell April she's running out of time. She's dying.

Listen, listen, you could be dead next week. I, we're all marching towards the end. All right. We are. But I mean, that was more of a joke, but I honestly, like you guys deserve this. I don't understand why you think that these young kids who have like everything ahead of them

deserve it any more than you. And honestly, like I thought that their stories were so much more compelling. Like when they got to the beach, you don't understand it was a tough night before with the Susie of it all, but like morale was at an all time low that day. And then the, the Goldens come in and it was like this shot of energy and steroids into everyone. And all of a sudden it changed like the entire thing. And so like, God bless them for coming. I wish that, you know, I think we it's a logistical problem in terms of casting, because there hasn't been as many seasons of the Golden Bachelor and Golden Bachelorette. So you can't have as many people there. Not as many people are like available for it.

Um, but like, as this kind of continues on rolls down the street, I hope that like we build a bigger, um, cast for the Goldens because to be honest with you, I thought their story was almost more compelling than the, the young was. Okay. Do you know if Jeremy ever told Bailey about his cry for Suzy? Yeah, he had a full-on meltdown and then like the next episode he's like, you know what? I'm good.

Yeah, like Suzy, Suzy Smoozy. He also told Alex that he did that and Alex is best friends with Bailey and she hasn't said anything either. Or maybe it was it said and we just didn't get to see it or we just kind of like that was, was that an editing like, let's just pretend that didn't happen like, or will that be brought up maybe in future episodes?

I think that's gonna be a storyline coming up. And I agree with you. I think that I remember being like, guys are being much of of girls girls here. Like we know that this happened and no one's telling. Like, I don't know how I feel about that. So yeah, I think that that's gonna be something that happens going forward.

And I think that that's something that does need to be kind of resolved. Well, I think someone needs to reclaim the phrase girls girls, because I think it really is under attack right now. Because I don't, after Love Island, after Bachelor in Paradise, you know. Nobody really knows.

Summer House. No one really knows what girls girls means anymore. I think that like being someone that tells your girlfriend like hey, this guy's calling another chick in a interview room. Is it related to just your core of friends? I don't know. Or is it just like women in general?

Like it's hard to say, you know? Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. All right, Wells, appreciate you taking the time, buddy. Always great to see you on our TV. But where can the people find you if they want more Wells Adams? Yep, let's see.

Monday nights on ABC, eight o'clock. Please watch Bachelor in Paradise. That's great. Stream the next day on Hulu, it would be fantastic. I'm on Instagram and all that stuff at Wells Adams. And yeah, I do my podcast that I do with Brandy Cyrus, YFT. We've been recapping these episodes. So if you want to kind of hear a little bit more BTS stuff, I definitely go into that at that podcast and oh, I think you guys will enjoy this. I'm about to start a new podcast. That's going to be all about traitors and I'm doing it with Dolores and Tamara. So people who have been on the show. So we're gonna, we're gonna start by

watching old seasons and breaking them down. Then obviously when new seasons come on, we'll be talking about it and having, you know, current cast members on and stuff. So you guys thought you'd get rid of me from the turret, but no, that's not the case. I'm still talking about the show that I was on for 13 minutes. Great group of people. Yeah.

Always a pleasure, buddy. Come back soon. Thanks for taking the time. And we will talk to you later, bud. Well, you all know that I am not into chasing trends, but I am all about the stuff that fits right, feels good, and actually lasts. That's why I keep coming back to Quinn's.

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That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com Wayfair, every style, every home. Always good to hear from our buddy Wells. What do you guys think about the things he had to say? It sounds like the money issue is gonna, they're really banking on the drama from the money. I feel like it's giving a little survivor-esque. Did you see the teaser for the next week? I was like, it does look like all of a sudden

things get very turned up and it's like, now we're gonna get some real challenges between the couples and it matters how well they know each other. Honestly, I love that. Half a million dollars for some of these people, that's life changing. A lot of money. Honestly though, thank God we're getting into something else

because I was like, if all we're doing this entire season is sitting at this resort and seeing nothing and random dates, and then I was like, is that what's been happening? For the last however many seasons of Paradise, we've just been watching people sit on a beach. There's like six weeks in a row, Jess is always like, I got something for you.

Like what could it be? It's like, it's another date card in the back of my pocket that has a picture on it. That's, you know. Like this is fun. This is nice that they're doing something new. Wait, that's so true. Cause I didn't do challenges or like any activities.

They literally would just be like sitting on a day bed, eating a pizza and I was locked in. But it was always so entertaining still pizza and I was locked in. But it was always so entertaining still. Like I was never bored, I'm not gonna lie. Like Bachelor of Paradise has always been great to me. But I am excited, I mean it does bring back like that Bachelor pad feeling.

The, you remember when they were like in a cabin in snow? Winter Games? Yeah, Winter Games. I never saw Winter Games. I love that kind of stuff. You didn't. Winter Games? Yeah, Winter Games. I never saw Winter Games. I love that kind of stuff. You didn't? Ashley, I was on Winter Games. No, no, Ben was on. That was fun.

But no, I'm excited for them to spice things up. I do hope they bring in some more golden men because it's just way too outnumbered. I'm really sad about RJ going. I really liked him. The playmate, the. Yeah. Yeah.

He was chill and he seemed to like. Jack too. I really liked him. And I just feel like we've loved the other Goldens. Keith and our catering friend who went home. Jack. Jack. And then who got the rose instead of RJ dancing guy? Gary. Gary. It's like Jack, and then who is, who got the rose instead of RJ, dancing guy? Gary.

Gary, it's like, Jack, Gary, and Keith, I feel like they've been like the golden men who have done all the rounds, we've really gotten to know them. And Gary seems like a really lovely guy, I get it. Like I get why he's there, he's great TV, but like I was kind of like, oh, this RJ guy, he's interesting, we didn't get to see much about him

from whatever season he was on. And okay, he's got this playmate backstory, and then he was gone. And they gave the rose to Gary, which we've seen a ton of times. I also feel like him and Natasha were having a good connection, and then she just, without a conversation,

just chose Gary. Yeah. Yeah? Well, Gary was gonna get a rose either way, so. Yeah, Gary was, yeah, and then Leslie chose Kim, and then he wrote her a poem. Which she was just literally like, I feel nothing for this man.

I was like, you could throw the rose to anybody and see if you had a chance. He just seems like every episode, it's a new ick unleashed on the Kim. He was the one who gave us the bachelor, the golden- Song? Yeah, the-

Sailor song? What was it called? The Mansion Men. Oh yeah. We are the Mansion Men. song. Yeah, the. Sailor song. What was it called? The mansion men. Oh yeah. We are the mansion men. The mansion men, yep. He is a talented individual, isn't he? And he shot down April, you know.

Well, that's Bachelor in Paradise. To get into some rapid recaps, we have the Real Housewives of Miami. It is party time, girls. All the ladies are dressed in Greek goddess, Percy Jackson, the house down boots. But Alexia says the real theme of the party is the narcissism in all of the girls, not just Todd.

But also it's about the narcissism of Todd. Exactly. The play a game called who has the most red flags and Lisa is playing to win. The winner gets to cry in a bathroom? Question mark. Aw, sorry girl. Also, Gertie tried to ignore her feud with Julia

by being the ref to Lisa and Larsa, but like any WNBA player can tell you, the refs are not on your side. Gertie might get benched for that one. After the party, Julia thinks it's time to introduce her boys to the girls. It's also revealed that Stephanie Sojay was raised like a boy, so she's a business woman.

Okay, ally. Gertie and Russell go to couples therapy. We love a healthy couple. Lisa says she may be a narcissist, but Larsa is in fact a Larsicist. They agree to communicate and we'll see. Overall, do we think the Lisa Larsa truce will last? Will Gertie ever meet Captain Sandy?

Will Marisol ever drink water? Tune in next week to find out on the Real Housewives of Miami. Great job, Mary. Thank you. Watching all of these women at a party about narcissism make this about themselves was... You had Lisa doing a photo shoot, not reading the signs. Oh my god, not reading the signs.

Also, just the whole thing where Alexia was like, this is a goddess party. And then everyone looked in the mirror and was like, no, this is about Todd. And she was like, no, this is about all of us. And then everyone was like, no, this is about Todd. And she was like, no, this is about all of us. And then everyone was like, no, this is about Todd. Yeah. Yeah, basically, you know, I mean, it's just the world in general, but now narcissism just means someone who like,

didn't like validate your feelings the way you expected them to. And that makes basically everyone else a narcissist. Yeah, I'm still confused on how the Greek goddess to like narcissists, like the staring in the mirror, like myth. Okay. That's the theme, but like that's not how this was executed. I was like women leaving in tears. Is the party theme ever correctly executed in Housewives?

No. I'm still thinking what was the art one from Beverly Hills? Oh, the, was it Dolly? It was like realism. It was surrealism. Surrealism. Yeah, that one was a mess. Watching Gertie try to conflict mediate between Larsa and Lisa and they're both being like,

leave, we got it, we're good. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no, what she's saying and repeats exactly what was being said. And then at the end, she's like, I did my, I did my job. You're welcome. And I was like, this party, you did not do your job. Everyone missed the point of this party. Like I almost felt bad for Lisa.

And then I didn't. It was a weird moment when Adriana was making the point that she was like, all of you women have no empathy for the fact that she just lost her father and you guys are all attacking her. Everyone kept putting their little red flags in her face. And I was like, you know what, like just mix it up a little bit. But then they're like, oh, I'm so sorry, monkey. Like as she's sobbing in a bathroom,'m just like it's it's a bit too much

Focus on Todd and Alexia. Yeah, the way Stephanie. So Jay was just like yeah, I My my father raised me as a boy. So therefore I am good at business But then also it's just exactly I was like, okay Stephanie Doesn't that kind of sound a little misogynistic? It's good. Oh, 100%, but give me more. It's like, I'm gonna say something very women empowering. My dad, I'm good at business

because he raised me to be a boy. Yeah. Tough love. And then the dinner between her husband and her parents, where I'm gonna say Stephanie Sojay is the MVP of this season. I very much enjoy her every single time she's on my television. She does not back down whatsoever.

But at the way I wish I were a fly on the wall the day that Stephanie brought her future husband home to meet her dad. And her husband's two years younger than her father. So they did not get along when they initially met. And now they're like best friends texting, they're FaceTiming all the time going golfing. And I'm just like, the way I would just love to see that that relationship blossom. Yeah. And they're like, the only thing we have in common is little Stephanie.

Wow. We also had Orange County second episode. Did you all see what Gretchen Rossi said about her feud with Tamara? What did she say? It's Gretchen being Gretchen, you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And she like, she posted a little clip from their scene at the hotpot dinner and says, dear receipts, thank you for always being on my side. This wife left. You always try to spin and manipulate something to fit your narrative. Nice try. It didn't work. Is this how we are starting off this season? Me catching you in your lies? Who's the liar now? Oh, that's right. Guess we'll have to wait for the lie detector test to see who fails some questions.

T.S. Thanks for reaching out, Jen. So happy we have become such good friends. This sounds like an intro to Gossip Girl. I was literally just going to say you sound like Gossip Girl. I was just gonna say, I was literally just gonna say you sound like Gossip Girl. I'm re-watching from the start again. And that was- It's giving like pretty little liars, Gossip Girl. You gotta read the hashtags like it.

Oh, sorry, hashtag, sorry, not sorry. Hashtag I'm not scared. Okay, Gretchen. Oh my God. She said. Good for you for not being scared of Tamra Judge. After like one episode of Tamra being like I'm in therapy, like new me, like I'm calm, I'm zen, no drama. Like this episode it's like, oh we're back.

You bring in her biggest op. Well let's give a little rapid recap of Orange County. The girls start off doing one of those typical Californian mom workouts where you just sit and let a machine do all the work. In other words, we're so back. Emily Tamra and Gina are all mad that Shannon defended Katie. Shannon reveals that she hasn't had a bikini wax recently, but regardless, Katie appreciates her support in the blogger situation. But plot twist because allegedly Katie was recording Shannon crashing out last season and showed it to Alexis. It's so confusing sometimes being a girl.

Meanwhile, Gretchen has returned and what has she brought with her? A claim of no plastic surgery and a sniper with a barrel pointed right between Tamra Judge's eyes. Also speaking of Tamra, she thinks Jen is trying to the substance her or something like that. Then later, a Katie's hot pot. Gina drops the Katie recording bomb

and the alliance with Shannon does not make it to the bunker. Then Gretchen pops off at Tamra because she called Slayda deadbeat dad on the podcast. We've got an unstoppable force versus an immovable object, ladies. Overall, who will survive, Gretchen or Tamra? Is Emily gonna eat the egg she stole? Will Shannon find a man?

Tune in next week to find out on The Real Housewives of Orange County. I'm foreshadowing a waxing episode. Right. Shannon having to get back in the scene is a very funny storyline for her to have after like how dark it was last season. I'm for her Shannon Day.

I love it. Yeah. It's great, it's just really funny like the whiplash I'm having. It was funny watching Jen being like, oh, I'd never heard of this. And then Katie being like, no, remember I showed you the video. And then her being like, I've never seen the video.

And all the women being like, but Katie just said, it's like, do we believe Katie or do we not believe Katie? Cause y'all haven't believed Katie the whole time up until now. I don't know. I think what's very clear about Katie is she doesn't see her relationship with the bloggers to be as Toxic as I feel like many of the women feel it is and I think she there's like this level of Like what's the big deal guys also calling them on Instagram?

That's psycho bay a phone call from Instagram No, you know what's crazy is Nick, I don't know what happened the other day, but you know when you like swipe over on your phone and you like have the search bar at the top and it'll bring up like whatever. Yeah. So I don't know if he had typed something

or if River had typed something. I don't know, but what I saw was it was like a LD that was like typed in the thing. And then it comes up in contacts Lana Del Rey and I was like Do you have Lana Del Rey's number and he's like what and I'm like, she's in your contacts Like do you have her number? Turns out it was just from Nick sending Lana his number in the DMs and it just like I don't know How the phone phoned but like it made it seem like my phone decided't know how the phone phoned, but like put.

It made it seem like my phone decided to put Lana Del Rey in my contacts even though I do not have her contact. So what is there? Just her name? Her name? Her email? Her number wasn't there, correct? No, I like went to click it and it was like Instagram call

or Instagram like FaceTime or something. Oh, it was just like, it was just holding the spot for her number in the future. It's manifesting. Yeah, your phone's like, listen, like we can call her on Instagram if you want. We'll just put her in your contacts if you want. She's like, let us know if you wanna be a psychopath

and call Lana Del Rey from Instagram. Try to call her on Instagram. Yeah. That is so messy of Instagram though, to like put that in your contacts as if like it's like capital L, capital D, capital R as in like Nick put that in there himself is crazy. It was in there. I was like, I don't know.

I do not like Nick doesn't save numbers. What's going on? It seems like something you would remember. Why would I lie about this? Can you just call anybody on Instagram though? Yeah. If they, if you, I think it's like, either if you follow each other, you can call them or like if they don't follow you or you like accept a DM into

like your primary, I think they can call you. That a reason to apply? I don't know. It might be a Wi-Fi situation. It's a weird violation. It is weird. So yeah, if you're calling people on Instagram, don't do that She's just calling and having chats with bloggers I guess so she's getting the tea and then Gretchen Rossi doing her it is not the same Tamra oh, okay evil Like I love these women I go watch the two of them spar for hours. In the way, like the way Tamra was always like,

when they were talking about the deadbeat dad situation, same with Tamra, was like, is he not? But is he not? She's always like, I mean. Yeah, it's like. She makes the other person make their argument of why what Tamra said was so offensive, because Tamra does such a great job of just being like.

Is he not? He's like, no, of course he's not. Did I misspeak? of why what Tamar said was so offensive, because Tamar does such a great job of just being like. Is he not? He's like, no, of course he's not. Did I misspeak? I'm sorry. Sorry, then why are you still trying to convince me of that 12 years later? She's good.

She's great. Great television. Should we get into Luke? Yeah, well we have Beyond the Villa. I think we're gonna save that mostly for Thursday's episode. I did love Janay's mediation at the end with, uh, Kayla and Liv. Cause it's just like, Janay's just like, I'm going to play big sister here.

Like you two need to stop fighting. This is silly. Like, can we just figure this shit out? Like she took a camera. She like, listen, I get it. Kayla seems to have some, you know, trust issues. And I think live lying was weird. Like, I get Kayla kind of being like, I don't know how I can move on and trust this person anymore.

Like, it's not that serious. But I also get that where it's just like you would lie about something so stupid and come up with a backstory for it. So it's like, how do I believe anything else that you say? Or how do I know that you're not trying to sabotage me behind my back? Kind of hard to have a trusting friendship with somebody like that. Leigh-Anne, Sierra, when you are watching reality TV and you see men lifting weights,

do you immediately ask your partners if they are strong enough to lift those weights? No, no, I don't. What did, did something happen? Kind of crazy, you didn't ask me. I feel like this is a very pointed question because no, I was not watching. Well, Mary, yeah, I don't want to leave you out.

Do you ask any of your partners if they also can lift? No. No, I watch TV with them. Why, why? Why do you ask? Erin was just struggling and so I was like, oh, Nick, can you lift that? Well, first I thought they had that? And he was like, I can.

Well, first, I thought they had two 45 plates on each side, which is 225 pounds for anyone who gives a shit about that stuff, two 45 plates on each side plus a 45 pound dumbbell. It's a lot of weight. I used to be able to lift that amount. He was like, maybe two, and I was like, so you couldn't do any more than Aaron could?

Turns out the plates on the outside were only 25 pounds, but before I thought and I was like, so you couldn't do any more than Aaron could? Turns out the plates on the outside were only 25 pounds. But before I thought I was like, I don't know, maybe I'm not sure if I could do that. And Natalie was literally looked at me like, that's disgusting. You know, I just was like curious if he could lift more than Aaron could and he.

That was the bar. If I couldn't lift as much as Aaron. So wait, how much weight was it? I believe it was 135 plus 25, 185 pounds. I couldn't have done that, but true story, when I see two men working out and somebody says, well, I'm going for eight, but I'll probably hit 12. I just black out.

I'm just like, I'm no longer interested. Now they want to know if her husband can lift as much as a guy that gave her the ick on television. I'm just like, I'm no longer interested. Now he wants to know if her husband can lift as much as a guy that gave her the ick on television. I'm just checking. It was just like a wellness check, you know, popping in. You're just looking out. Should we get to Luke?

Next up we have Luke from the Valley to talk about being a new dad. This current season of the dark, dark Valley, uh, and his thoughts on the men from the season. We did do this interview with Luke prior to the announcement that Jax Taylor wasn't returning. So for context, that wasn't part of the discussion. Certainly we talk about Jax Taylor, his behavior, and the rest of the men that Luke constantly

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Your sperm. Oh. That did air. Okay. Was that nerve wracking going in? I don't like to do that stuff. I feel, I don't want to know about my body. No.

I mean, I do. They give more details than just, you know, the one mark that was below whatever threshold that they gave this time in the next episode. I feel like it's your body, your choice. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess. No, honestly, the whole sperm thing,

Kristen was like, I know you're fine, don't even get tested. I think in her head, she's like, then I'll know for sure it's on me. And she mentally didn't wanna have to go there. Bravo does like keeping in those sperm test results because I know far too much about Tom Schwartz's and that he's got two heads on his. And like, why do I know that?

They do love a good sperm, didn't- Sandoval, yep, they all get their- No, also Craig.. They do love a good sprint. Didn't, didn't. Stand up all. Yep. They all, they all get there. No, also Craig. Can Craig do it? Oh yeah. Craig, Craig, roses. Oh, Craig, roses. In case he gets into an accident.

Oh no, Kyle. Kyle, summer house. Also, yeah, Kyle is like my supreme results. Yeah, there's a lot of. Well, Luke, welcome to the show. Thanks. Good to see you guys. How do you feel about being the best looking guy

on the Valley? The best looking, I think so. I haven't heard that take, but thank you. You haven't? No. You definitely. The best looking, one that can fix a car, the one that can set up a tent.

The best morals. As someone who's, at least I've met all these people. I mean, I haven't met Jesse Lolley. I've seen him at an event once. So I've seen these people in person. You're the best looking. Well, thank you. I don't know where Bravo Nation stands,

but if they don't think you are, they're wrong. I mean, and honestly, Kristin did deserve the best looking man. You know? So it only makes sense that that's how the cards folded. How is dad life treating you well? You know, we're in the early stages where it's a lot of work with minimal reward in the first month.

I feel like she just turned a month old and it's a lot of eating, pooping, and not enough sleeping. Doesn't she smell so good? That's, I mean, I guess. Like the newborn baby smell? You're not like, she's not smelling it. I remember Nick and I were like, oh my God, we're addicted.

I'm not huffing, Kaya. You're not huffing, okay. I mean, I was definitely smelling river. I mean, she did, yeah. She doesn't smell bad, but she farts a lot. So that's a little gassy. We're begrudgingly getting up in the middle of the night. You're not enjoying it. Well, okay.

So we haven't really figured out a full routine yet because the idea was Kristen goes to bed around like nine or 10 sleeps five, six hours. Then I go to bed and she gets up and takes the rest of the time. The problem is she can't go to bed that early a lot of times because I'm up, she wants to hang out with me,

and if Kaia falls asleep, then she's like, this is our time. But then you're gonna fall asleep at midnight and I want my shift to be over before 5 a.m. And- What did we do that made it like not that hard? I was pumping and bottle, putting it in bottles. Is she fully breastfeeding or are y'all doing formula?

Formula and pumping. Formula and pumping. Okay, so you are able to like do the any types of feeds. We, I don't remember, honestly. I mean, God, that time feels like such a haze, but I feel like we were just, I mean, she was in the room with us. She was in the room with mean, she was in the room with us. She was in the room with us.

She was in the room with us. She was very close by. Yes, she was very close by. But I don't remember what we did that. But looking back, it doesn't feel as hard as I'm sure in the moment it was. I think I'll get to that point. Yeah. I mean, right now, you're definitely not in the, I'm just here with my beautiful baby.

And like, what else could be? There are those times. But honestly, Kristin now it is. But you're definitely not in the, I'm just here with my beautiful baby and like what else could be? There are those times, but honestly, Kristin, so, okay, so our setup, we have a SNU. You know what the SNU is, right? Shut up, SNU. It's right next to her side of the bed, in the king size bed, and I have always only had about 10% of the bed,

so I'm all the way over here, and she always wakes up first. And so she is sleeping less than me and wakes up upset that I'm all the way over here and she always wakes up first. And so she is sleeping less than me and wakes up upset that I'm still asleep a number of times. And then it turns into this, this thing. And I'm like, yeah, she's up. You gotta get up. I do.

And that's why she sleeps in the living room with me when I really don't want Kristen to wake up. Okay. So y'all are figuring it out. We're figuring it out. Yeah. It's not smooth sailing yet. Has, I feel like the second that she, Kyle like smiles at you, you'll be like, oh God. are figuring it out. We're figuring it out, yeah. It's not smooth sailing yet. I feel like the second that she, Kyle, like smiles at you, you'll be like, oh God, yeah, all right, I'm good, it's worth it.

Yeah, it's all gas smiles now. It still makes me happy because she'll be making this uncomfortable face. I'm like, are you gonna cry or toot? Cry or toot, please toot. And then she'll crack a smile and then she'll let one rip. Nick was like the toot machine. He'd do like all these leg exercises. He'd get her like cleared and good to go.

We do the legs and I do the bounces. So legs, you know, bounce up and down off my stomach. I've got all the different things. And then there's this little like butt whistle. I don't know what they call it. You know, if they really can't toot, you can put a little oil on it and stick it in there and fart whistles out.

I'm familiar with that. A fart whistle out. I've never, no we weren't. There's a name for it but I don't remember. You probably didn't need it. She's like extra gassy, I don't know what it is. Hmm, interesting. What are you guys eating?

I mean, I'm eating a regular diet. Kristin's vegetarian. I did not know that. So I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I'm not trying to, you know, I'm absolutely not placing blame. I don't want that. We're not placing blame. I'm not placing blame. I don't want that. I'm not placing blame.

I have just have no idea. We don't know. The doctor says she's very healthy. She's just a gassy baby. Just a gassy girl. River was gassy. I didn't want to put a label on it. Name her gassy, but she definitely like had her moments.

For sure. Definitely a toot machine. Oh, how has it been watching back this season of The Valley? It's been interesting because I had a lot of fun last summer. I had a blast, honestly. Is that because you, while filming, you're like, I'm the only decent man here? Or was it for different reasons? I think, I mean, there are times that that crosses my mind.

I'm like, what is wrong with all these guys But I just chose to have fun You know I tried to stay in the loop of all the drama but there are things I just rolled my eyes and Tried to disassociate because I had all the nerves building up to the proposal, you know, trying to get all that together There's a beautiful proposal. Thank you. It was the most Kristin response That we could have ever gotten.

Do you believe she was surprised? Because the trolls online are back and forth. Oh really? What do you believe, Luke? I know she was surprised. She was trying to find those dolphins. She said, where? Where's the break in the thing? And then turned to her and goes, what the fuck are you doing?

Yeah, it felt real. It felt very Christian. Yeah, it was. It was. What did she think was going on? She just thought we were out there fishing. She thought I convinced them to take us on a fishing trip because I've been trying to do that since day one of season one.

I'm like, they're gonna pay for me to go fishing at some point. Can I say that? I can't say that, can I? We're gonna go fishing on camera at some point is what I meant to say. You wanted to take a fishing trip with all the guys? No, not all the guys.

Or just everyone? I just wanted to go fishing. Okay, okay. I don't care how we get there. And Kristen likes being on a boat, so I knew it would work out. She just thought, hey, we're going out there and we love Nia and Danny.

She's like, this is gonna be great. Not having to deal with all the drama here and about Jackson Brittany and Michelle and Jesse and Janet and Jason versus everybody and all that business. How much of the show do you feel like takes up your and Kristen's life versus, you know, you guys as being regular normal people too much? I mean, from my personal perspective, coming from outside of this and not seeking this out at all.

You know, when Kristin and I met, she wasn't on TV. I had never seen Vanderpump Rules nor heard of it. I never, I don't think I'd ever watched a single show on Bravo. And I had never watched TV. And then he's like, I was just in Colorado. I watched sports, you know, there were some, the reality shows I liked was Wicked Tuna.

You guys are familiar with that one? No? It's a fishing show. It's a fishing show, yeah. Context close to you. Annie, of course you're a Duck Dynasty. I'm an outdoor nerd, okay. Duck Dynasty is a good one.

Yeah, like you had a feeling that you'd be. Yeah, right, of course. Naked and Afraid? Yeah. Yeah, for sure, of course. We found his channel. Survival shows, absolutely. You know, National Geographic, Discovery.

And Kristen wasn't on those. That's me, that's me. So anyway, coming from that, I think I feel that my life is too absorbed in other people's business now than it ever was before. I just wanted to go back to the engagement for a second because there's two moments that I really, really loved, which was you trying to tell Kristen how to dress for the boat. And you were just

like, um, so I spoke to Dia. You have to shower. Yeah, I didn't see that coming. And honestly, I was a bit of a mess. They showed, I had just seen my grandma a couple of days before and that ended up being the last time I saw her. And so I was on this this up and down of emotions and yeah, I was kind of. So that wasn't put on for the engagement. You were actually dealing with those emotions at the same time. Yes, I had flown like two days before we left for Hawaii. I got back from Indiana seeing my grandma for the last time. Wow. OK, that was like I couldn't figure that out because when she was at the pool being like,

why won't you talk to me? And I was just like, oh honey, you have no idea what's about to come. And then I'm like, okay, no, that was real. So I am very sorry to hear about your grandmother. Thank you. But also congratulations. Thank you.

A beautiful experience. You can imagine this like, yeah. A lot of ups and downs. Yeah. As someone who like, by your own admission, like doesn't know a lot of reality TV or follow it, I am curious, what is your take on the show that you're on? I'm sure you've heard a lot of the discourse and opinions

about specifically the season, the show itself, and getting to know you a little bit, you do seem like a really grounded, normal, decent guy in a cast on a show that, by a lot of fan standards is dark and toxic and there's just a lot of conversation about like, should we be watching this stuff, specifically around like Jax and his mental health struggles

and just how the whole approach with rehab, we don't even think it's real, to be honest. I don't know if we'll ever know if it's real or not. Do you even know? I wasn't there. Do you think it's real? I know he was able to leave every day. There was no one policing him,

and he was messing with stuff at Brittany's house. And so I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever really know what the situation was like. I don't know. But as far really know what the situation was like. I don't know. But as far as if it's something we should be watching, it is something that really happened. It's something that I think that was going to happen because of the way things were with him and Brittany.

And I'd seen Brittany a lot during their separation before Jax freaked out and went to rehab. And she was really going through it. So as far as, I mean, it's kind of what we all signed up for. You see the reel and it was dark. I think the side of the assault on Danny's character was darker than it needed to be. There is darker than it needed to be because it hasn't ended for certain people.

What's going on with that? Do you think it's coming from a place of jealousy? Absolutely, 100%. I think that Danny and Nia have a healthy relationship and a number of other couples don't. In this episode, Jason got a tattoo of ring on his ring finger, a line. A line, A line. They got matching lines.

Did Janet make him do that? They both got, she got, one got a white line, one has a black line. Is this basically like, you know what, fuck your rumors, I'm tattooing a ring? But it also, it's not making sense, because if he never takes off his ring, why does he need a tattoo?

That's my take. I'm sorry, I'm glad you said it, because that was was to me, and I brought this up to Jason. You just say sometimes he takes it off at home. Right, I mean, this could have come and gone like that. And he, you know, there's a million reasons why you might take your ring off.

Sure. And forget it, or, you know, you're seen without a ring on. Okay, there's a million explanations that make sense that doesn't mean you're trying to cheat. They created this narrative of you're calling me a cheater and then continue to defend it with no one bringing it back up all season. So to me, it made me think more and more like,

oh, maybe this rumor is true because why would you defend it so hard for so long with no one else talking about it unless there was some truth to it? Well, did you see recently, Arianna Maddox's brother, Jeremy, commented on something saying, like giving the time and place

of which Jason had remorseless reading? Yeah, I did see that, and I have spoken with Jeremy. You have? Yes, and he told me the same thing in person prior to going public with it. Wow. And like what, they were like out together, or he just saw him there and it was like.

I believe there were, it was a group of guys that were out. Yeah. Some guys from the boys chat, you know. Are you part of this boy show? I'm not. I never have been and that makes don't think I ever will be. If you would have said that you are, I would have been like, okay, well that looks up. Maybe not the guy I thought he was.

Number one guy in the group. Because it feels like a loser chat. I mean, so here's the thing. So funny. I kind of make fun of Jax about this because he's like, this is a sacred chat. Stuff can't get out. All this garbage. There's like 30 guys on the chat. Every one of them with a wife or girlfriend has gotten their phone and looked through it. Kristin said she was disgusted by the things she saw on it with her last boyfriend. And I mean, Brittany has seen the chat. I don't know. There's no like real secret to it.

I feel like. Yeah, but Brittany seeing the chat doesn't necessarily mean anything. No, he's saying that Jax was like, oh, this is such a sacred chat. Nothing gets out while all of these wives and girlfriends are reading this chat and like going to their girls' lunches and being like, oh my God, did you see what?

So and so said about so and so. Right, well one time Jax actually even told me, I ran into him at a bar and he brought up the boys chat to me, I hadn't asked about it. He's like, man, the reason I can't put you on is I just think you're gonna report back to Kristin. And I'm like, dude, it's okay. I don't need to be on your chat, it's really fine.

He's like, please, what are your genuine thoughts on Jack's? My genuine thoughts on Jack's. Um, I mean, he's documented lies, cheats, steals. I mean, how far do you want me to go with that? As far as what kind of person is he? Can you trust him? No, you you've taken kind of a backseat in both seasons. Like, you know, it's like you play like,

I'm Kristen's supportive partner, and that makes a lot of sense. You're just like, all right, I'm just here to support my fiance, my girlfriend, you know, mother of my child. The frustration, I think, with a lot of fans in general, not directed at you specifically, and I'm assuming your answer is like,

you know, you're just there to support Kristen, but like, when it comes to like you specifically, and I'm assuming your answer is like, you know, you're just there to support Kristin, but like, when it comes to like Jack specifically, and Jesse, those two a lot, it just like, no, like, you mentioned the Danny kind of attacks he's getting. I wanna see someone like you call out, get into it with Jesse and Jacks, and just call out some of this shitty behavior of how they've been or how they treated

their partners, you know, the mothers of their children and things like that. Why specifically for you, are you just taking a back seat or like, yeah, why does no one really call it out? You know, cause it's like us fans seem to call it out. We get frustrated with the behavior every week. We're just like, fuck these guys. Why would they act this way?

Why would you call the mother of your child a prostitute and things like that? Like, just like, these are low character choices from some of these men who just like, act like it's this okay behavior. And I wanna see it get called out by other men in the group, whether it's Swartz or whether it's you or whether it's Danny.

But like, Jason can call out Danny, like he's doing something terrible. And like, meanwhile, like Jax is just jacking it up and like, you know, Jesse just seems like an emotional terrorist. Yeah, I'm curious what you think about all that. I mean, in Santa Barbara, I did talk to Jesse quite a bit as far as, you know, like, you know, this isn't cool. And leading up to, you know, the big fight at the winery, they can't show you everything that happens through the summer, right?

And I think there are instances where maybe I come off a little monotone or boring for what they're going for. I don't know, as far as, you know, what makes the cut because a lot happens, so much happened through the summer that they can't include it all so I'll tell you that I have had those moments and have called Jax out and Oddly enough after I called Jax out. He wanted to hang out more and He did text me, you know three four times a week days a week I want to go golfing or wanting to go do something. I said you're not a good person and

He didn't refute it didn't even really respond to it, but I saw it like hit him. And now he looks to you as an accountability coach? No, I wouldn't say he looks to me like that. I'd say it was just interesting to me that he was hitting me up to hang out a lot more after that. I think he wants to win him over.

I think that is a challenge. It's like, I want to prove to you I'm, you know. A good guy. Yeah. I wonder after that boys challenge. It's like, I want to prove to you I'm, you know. A good guy. Yeah. I wonder after that boys therapy session that you had, that was very interesting. Jesse's issue with you was that you were so loyal to your girlfriend and like didn't have his back

or like told him stuff. Like what was going through your mind when you're sitting here filming something like that? I'll be honest. I was kind of happy Scott said we weren't supposed to respond to what they were saying because I was trying not to laugh to be honest with you. It just, I don't know, these guys are weird. I don't know how to put it all into words sometimes.

Is that like Jesse's buddy? They become friends. I don't know how long they've known each other. And he's like a life coach? Yeah, I guess. I mean, I've talked to Scott a couple other times. Scott's been to a couple of parties I've been to at Jessie's. My therapist also comes to my parties.

So it's not that crazy. No, it's not that crazy. She's joking. I'm joking. I've never hung out with my therapist outside of my one hour session. I'm showing too much junk. Close this.

Short is a choice. Short is a choice. As you saw, I'm not afraid to wear something too tight or too short. That's the one. Definitely. Would you put Jesse in that category of not a good guy? I think Jesse is trying harder than Jax is.

I think I absolutely hate it. To actually be a better guy or to appear as a better guy on camera? He is really trying to be a better guy and I think he has actually made strides. Before we filmed season one, I had only briefly met Jesse, and as you saw how things went, I hated his guts. I wanted to kill him.

And from then to now, I would consider Jesse a friend. OK, what do you think he's worked on that would change his biggest critic critics perspective? His accountability as far as he does call himself out. He has called me before when he knows he did something, said something, or he's the reason why things weren't moving along in the divorce proceedings. He's been like, I'm still working on it. I know my ego gets in the way.

I get triggered by things that Michelle does and I respond with things that trigger her and it drives things up. Like him being aware of that I think is a big step that I don't believe Jax has taken yet. Has he ever given any sort of reasoning as to why he knew Michelle's mother was sick and not doing well with cancer.

And he still continued to treat her the way that he did. I don't believe the full truth is coming from either side. I think that Michelle paints it in a way that is always gonna make Jesse look worse. I'm not trying to say he did nothing wrong in this situation, but I think that the way it was painted is worse than it really was because he said that they had an agreement prior to that where now I don't remember all the details, but Michelle and Aaron were going to go to Europe, Italy or something like that. And

they had planned this and he was going to take Isabella. He back and forth ended up, they ended up not going because her mom was so sick and he was gonna take Isabella. He back and forth ended up, they ended up not going because her mom was so sick and he was already down in Orange County when the call came in. And it said they ended up finding a babysitter and it wasn't, ended up being, didn't end up being as big a deal as she made it as far as got her taken care of so she could go down there.

You know, I don't know all the details as far as that goes. But I think- I guess I'm more so mean just like, obviously, you know, they were married. He was a part of her family. Like she came on the show and she was like, he did know that my mom was sick and that she was in the hospital during filming.

And I guess in the Santa Barbara trip where he's like, you know, that was a very tough beat. He's calling her a whore and a hooker and all these crazy things. And it's like how, I guess it's harder for me to understand how this person who we were once married, they're the mother of my child, I'm aware that they're the closest person to them,

their mom is dying and not doing well, but yet I'm still going to treat them this way on national television is a tough beat. International television. Sorry. Yes, of course. But someone spoke on your name. Hello.

Hey, you. Okay. Yes, sir. But, uh, you know, I genuinely don't believe he wanted the, it was a boy's chat thing and he didn't want that statement to get out and he had not been drinking for weeks and was absolutely hammered that statement to get out. And he had not been drinking for weeks and was absolutely hammered the entire Santa Barbara trip. Not that that's an excuse, but.

But he didn't drink exactly once it got out. His response wasn't, oh, I'm so ashamed. That was so inappropriate. I should have never, you know, oh my God. It was kind of like, oops. Yeah, he definitely didn't seem to give a fuck that his daughter will one day watch him It was kind of like oops Didn't seem to give a fuck yeah, yeah his daughter will one day watch him call his her mom that I Mean the fact that they're I don't know man There's like there's no you know there's no truth to it and it comes to that

I think she'll see it and just see our dad was an asshole back I think that's gonna be more than questioning whether or not her mom's a prostitute is the way I think it'll be taken. We can only hope. We can only hope for sure. I mean, but I am just, you know, I respect your opinion and I'm just like, I'm curious why you're willing to give Jesse

more grace than than Jax. If I were, like we want, we wanted to get Jesse on the show. We've been very, we've been very hard on Jesse. But if, if I'm Jesse and if I can recognize my wrongs, if I can be like, you know what, I have been a piece of shit, I've done this shit, and I actually wanna be different, then I would be able to come on a show like this

and address it. I would take the criticism. I'm just curious why, you know, not even about this coming on this show, but I haven't seen anything that makes me go, yeah, this guy really sorry. He's really, he's woken up You know, I will put it this I know that he's still very hurt about the alleged cheating

As far as I do believe he's a loyal guy I believe that he has never done anything outside of you know Gone outside of a relationship and I believe that that has hurt him in ways that he hasn't dealt with yet. And so- That's fair, but not to make any type of infidelity okay, but if all Michelle did in the past six months of Jesse pulling his shit and being emotionally unavailable and kind of just being very difficult to be around

and pushed her away, if she made out or talked to some guy, it's just like, he's got to take some kind of accountability for that. And I just, you know, again, now you have a daughter, I just would never want to be that example to my children for how I handled a difficult situation. Because I don't, you know, listen, I don't know what it's like to get divorced, and it is difficult, I can only imagine. And I think Jesse has a million reasons to be upset but how he's handled his emotions in such a toxic way is it's it's hard to just be like he was having a bad day. You know from places I've lived being in Los Angeles I believe the male EQ is significantly lower out here on average. Yeah. So you know I think that has a big part of the explanation there.

He has said also that he didn't used to look at himself, like remove himself from the situation and see the way he acted or see the things he said. And differently, he was just in the moment and didn't reflect back. And now he's gotten to the point where he does that and he's like, oh shit, I sucked, you know, at those times. So he does think he's been an asshole? Yeah. Okay. Where are you and Kristin on Janet these days?

Neither of us have spoken to her since the reunion. You know, her whole fleeing to Switzerland or taking a family vacation. I don't know what the whole truth of that is. I know that the article quoted her, um, saying that she told them that. And then she went on social media and said, you know, it was picked up. Hey, it looked like, uh, I don't know. It looked like she wanted detention.

Do you think her comments in the way she classified Danny's behavior is unforgivable? I would not be around her anymore if I was him. I would absolutely remove her from the people I'm associated with personally. Okay. And do you feel like it's safe for you guys to be around Janet and Jason?

You know, Jason surprised me a bit this summer cause Jason and I used to think we had more in common. It's not lack of backbone, it's like he found a backbone that is, you know, fused with Janet's. That's what it seemed like. So no backbone. No, it's true. Janet's backbone. The one thing that was really cool

getting to meet you last season was seeing Kristin also in a healthy relationship, but the way that like, when she would react in certain ways that you'd sit her down and be like, hey, like, this is why people are reacting to it this way. This is what you should have done. And like this, like I support you, I will always have your back, but I'm also going to tell you how it really is. Whereas Janet and Jason, their entire storyline is everybody else's business. I have learned nothing about this couple, their relationship, they have

a baby, I know nothing about them, but they have opinions on everyone. And Jason does not hold Janet accountable at all. That in this last episode, Janet's crying being like, sometimes I get so sad or like I wake up being afraid that he's gonna leave me one day because he'll see what everyone else sees. And it's like, well, if you think that he might see what everyone else sees, why don't you try to see

what everyone else sees and do the work? I don't know, sorry, she bothers me. But yeah. Was there a question in there? No. I was just like, do you feel like they do that on purpose in the sense of like creating their storyline around everyone else so that nobody gets to see what's going on with them behind closed doors? You know, I don't know. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. And I don't know that I know them much better than the viewers do. Like I don't know their love story. I

don't know anything about Janet's past marriage. I don't know much other than what I've heard through the grapevine, because it's all gossip. It's all game and telephone with everybody. And the whole fan thing, it's like said in a negative way, but like she has said and other people have said, most of the people that kinda come into this friend group know Vanderpump Rules, they're fans, whatever. I know that if you watch, she pops up in some old Vanderpump Rules stuff,'re fans, you know, whatever. I know that if you watch, she pops up

in some old Vanderpump Rules stuff. She's trying to be around the group. I definitely think she wanted to be on TV. It was a big part, a big goal of hers. So wherever that goes, but as far as getting to know them, and if they're deflecting because they don't want people to know the true story, I'd be lying if I said that thought hadn't crossed my mind.

If Bravo came to you and said Luke we need your opinion on Casting for next season. Do you think this show needs a little bit of a shake-up a little reboot? What would be your answer? This is all hypothetical of course Hypothetically Hypothetically, I would love to have another guy with Danny and myself that is like, you know, down to earth family man. Do you think we should get Jax Taylor off the show? Hypothetically, hypothetically, of course.

I think it's dangerous to give a person like him the platform that he has. Because there will always be apologists and people wanting to see, look, Jackson's entertaining. Maybe there is some sort of a show for him. Was, maybe. Now it's sad, you know, now, you know, when he was in his twenties, it was like, ah, ha ha, funny. We're like now it's like still.

It's the same story, yeah, the guy's pushing 50. Really? He started off at like 35. It's how he was. I'm 34, Jackson's pushing 50. Yeah, pushing 50s. And the fact that, yeah, he's still acting like 35. I'm 34, Jackson's pushing 50. Yeah, pushing 50s. And the fact that, yeah, he's still acting like this. It is dangerous, it feels like to watch.

Yeah, I mean- Would you get rid of Janet? Hypothetically. Hypothetically. I mean, hypothetically. Can I answer all this? Yeah, okay. This is your opinion.

Hypothetically. I know, okay, hypothetically, honestly, I would like Jackson, Janet removed from the show, yes. Okay. That wouldetically, honestly, I would like Jackson Janet removed from the show. Yes. Okay. That would be, I think, a good direction to go with things. Who would you bring on hypothetically? I have a good friend. His name's Jeff Perkins. He's my workout partner. He, uh, Luke's Luke's casting. He's also, would you take a lot with kids? Yeah, he's not. Okay. But single he's, he's very entertaining. He's also does not drink love, but he's very entertaining. He's an actor. He's an actor, producer. He's? Yeah. He is not. Okay. Single. He's very entertaining. He's also does not drink.

Love. We love that. But he's very entertaining. Someone who can be entertaining without needing alcohol. He's an actor, producer. And then they can't be like, oh, someone got blacked out drunk.

You know, can't do that with him. Right. But I don't know. He's a fun dude. Honestly, everybody has met him. He knew Danny adjacently, like wasn't close with him, didn't have his phone number before I met him. And then on my birthday last year,

went golfing and Jeff and Danny, and then my soon to be brother-in-law was our foursome. And Danny and Jeff, we had a great time. Who had the biggest dick? Who had the biggest dick? The foursome. You know, we didn't compare. Jeff's a huge guy, so probably him.

He's like six, five, big shoulders. He could probably play Superman. Oh my God, wait, so probably him. He's like six, five, big shoulders. He could probably play Superman. He's a big dude. Oh my God, wait, cast him immediately. Good looking dude too. I wouldn't be the best looking guy on the show anymore if they cast him. Oh no, you'd lose your spot. Sorry, we need to glow up for the show.

We do, we need to glow up for sure. Would you be excited to have Lala join? No. Okay. Are you planning on showing Kya on season three? Kya will be part of it. I mean, there's no like plan to, you know, prop her up on this pedestal and be like, everyone look at my beautiful baby,

but we're not going to hide her from the cameras. Okay. Okay. Look, we have a little game for you before we send you on your way. Okay. I like games usually. I don't know if I like your games.

It's called Valley Victories. Okay. You have to say something nice about each of these statements or people or events. Okay. Should be easy. We're kind of try to bring some light into the dark, dark valley that it is. Look, I try every day. I know you do a great job. Kristen taking a shower for your engagement.

Look, she doesn't shower every day as it is, but, um, I mean, it's good for your hair, you know, anyway. I don't wash my hair. Something positive about that. I mean, she was surprised. That's like proof. There you go. Yeah, that's true. That's something positive. Jessie Lali trying to be friends with Michelle's new man. It's effort in the right direction.

Janet. Period. And that's it. You have to say something nice. I feel like the Jeopardy song is playing in my head. Yeah. Let's see. I mean, she can't be all bad.

I just can't, honestly, I'm sorry, I can't think of a time I had fun with Janet in years. Can I help you? It's God's creation. She has good hair. Every show needs a villain. Every show needs a villain. I mean, not that Darko villain though.

I mean, I don't know. I'm not impressed, nor have I seen the silver lining in years, so. Okay. Nia calling Janet Voldemort of the Valley. Bravo. Finally did it. That's pretty good. I mean, anyone, Kristen's the only one I know that hasn't seen Harry Potter.

What? Yeah, Kristen has not seen Harry Potter. She's not into fantasy. I'm not either. Which is a wee-ho. Like, I feel like it should be up her holly. She's not into fantasy. I'm not either. Which is a wee-ho, like I feel like it should be up her holly. She doesn't like to, you know,

watch that sort of- Jason getting a tattoo ring. It's his first tattoo, the guy's been inked. What is that? Yay. A birthday party at Dave and Buster's. I'm good at games. So I mean, I did have fun with that.

And honestly, no one won Janet Moore tickets, their coupon, whatever they're called, coins, tickets, whatever they are than me. What did you get with your tickets? I just gave her. I don't know. It's her birthday. That was so nice of you. I don't know what she got.

I thought she got a drone or something. There was a kid drone, yes. And she was also looking at some neon light that said like game on or something. The snacks on the boat in Hawaii. It was all fantastic. So I actually did catch a fish with charcuterie. Put like salami on a hook. The captain had a fishing pole under a seat and pulled it out and threw in some crackers

and stuff and then put a piece of salami on a hook and I caught a little trigger fish. It was pretty cool. Oh my God. Wow. Look at you. You're a real fisherman. You being a father. I mean, it's great. It's what I've always wanted,

it's calling I've had for many years. Looking forward to her personality shining, her growing a little bit. I really think people say you're gonna look back at this potato stage and miss it when they're running around getting into trouble and all this stuff, but I'd rather be chasing her around. If I may offer you unsolicited advice,

I would enjoy it more than you're waiting for the next stage. I think she's showing you personality already. So she's more like Kristin than me. Who knows? Might be a little bit of an introvert. She looks like, she looks more like me, I'll say, but. Yeah, Sutter's River. Looks just like him.

That's the first born, you know, nature. But yeah, I would embrace the potato stage. Okay. Yeah. Cause you do, they're only that small for that day. I mean, I love watching her sleep. She's very peaceful when she sleeps like that. Yeah.

What is your opinion of Michelle? My opinion of Michelle? My opinion of Michelle? I think that Michelle... I haven't thought about Michelle in a while. Who is Michelle? No, I know, I'm trying to think what my... Sorry, man, I've been up since 3.30 in the morning. Let me ask you this way.

I'm actually a little surprised. Yes, give me more context. Obviously you know that I have a very strong opinion about Jessie, and for whatever reason, it's just like Michelle gets a little surprised. Yes. Obviously you know that I have a very strong opinion about Jesse. And for whatever reason, it's just like, Michelle gets a lot of hate online. I'm actually a little bit surprised by it. Like, you know, I'm not saying Michelle doesn't have things that you not to criticize, but I'm just surprised that she doesn't get more empathy when it

comes to how Jesse has treated her. But do you, do you think there are things about Michelle that we're not seeing? And do you feel like there's a reason, a good reason why she hasn't gotten some of the fan base's empathy that say maybe Brittany's getting that I think, quite honestly,

I don't think she deserves as much. Okay, so maybe a little more in each direction, but I'd still personally, I think Brittany is a lovely, wonderful, happy, bubbly, fun person. Michelle is less of those things. She's a little colder. She doesn't have as much to say tougher to get through the shell and get to know her. Not like a warm welcome kind of thing. And I think that's a big part of it as far as why she's not getting as much sympathy, as much love. I think Michelle is a good person. I think that's just a big part of it.

And I think a lot of the criticism does come from how quickly she was in a relationship with Aaron post separation. How do you feel about Aaron? I don't have a problem with Aaron. I mean, we've re-talked. I mean, I don't have a problem with Aaron. Yeah. I mean, we've re-talked. I mean, I haven't talked to him enough

to consider him a friend, but he's like, we'd say hi, we'd hang out if we're in the same place together, but we don't talk on any regular basis. When you watched the conversation between him and Jesse, and he was saying that there was no crossover, do you believe that?

I mean, body language, look on his face, which is what I typically look at. I didn't really believe it. I don't believe the way it was said. I don't know the truth, but I didn't fully believe it. Do you think it really matters at this point? No, they're divorced. You think Jesse should just let it go?

100%, I think they should both let it go, move on with their lives. Jesse also is in a relationship still, right? Has Michelle not let it go? I mean, isn't Jesse the only one not letting it go? I don't know, I talked to Jesse more than Michelle, but he said, I believe that there are things that Michelle does in spite of Jesse at times,

and I'm not saying that isn't justified, but I think that is where this is coming from as far as for them both to let it go. Jesse had admitted that basically their divorce, only reason not completely finalized, he has a little bit of work he needs to do. They've agreed on everything and he hasn't gotten it done yet,

but it's about to be done. They're both moving on. They're gonna be in a happier place. And if we get a season three, I think we will see them, we'll see a different storyline. We won't see them going at each other the whole time. Okay. Any more questions for Luke?

I just want a season three. I'd like one too. I want to see Kaya. I want to see... I feel like we're gonna get one. Yeah, I want to see everything. I'm just so excited. I'm just like, when did you guys start filming last season so I can count down?

About now. So... The premise is amazing. I just feel like, yeah, just get a filming last season so I can count down? About now. So. The premise is amazing. I just feel like, yeah, just get a little dark and get rid of Jax and fake therapy and. Well now a year's gone by, so I wanna see where like Brittany is at today. I don't care where Jax is at, but like I like to see where everybody's at year by year.

All right, Luke. Well, thanks for coming, man. It's been great catching up. Congratulations on being a dad and congratulations on everything that you and Kristin have. We're big fans of both of you. And despite many of your peers on this show, it has been fun,

specifically since we've watched Kristin from, since Vanderpump, to see her growth and progress as a person and your guys' relationship. You guys are a bright light and it is otherwise a very dark season. So, appreciate you being that and thanks for coming on. Yeah, absolutely, thanks for having me. We're the light side of the valley.

Yeah, the light side. The light side of the valley. Thank you to all our guests, Luke Broderick and Wells Adams. Be sure to tune in on Thursday for another episode of Reality Recap. We've got a stacked show for you. The very incredibly talented and wonderfully funny Matt Rogers is with us to talk about all things Bravo, We've got a stacked show for you. The very incredibly talented and wonderfully funny

Matt Rogers is with us to talk about all things Bravo, just reality TV. They recently recorded and hosted the Culture Awards. That was last week. We get to talk with Matt fresh off of recording that. It's a ton of fun. You won't wanna miss it. We also have Austin Nichols promoting.

I know what you did last summer. You also probably recognize him from One Tree Hill. And then to round things out, we got some very funny content creators who are also big fans of the shows that you also love. James Neal and Taylor Owen. That's all coming up on Thursday. We will see you then.

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