The Viall Files - E972 - Matt Rogers, Austin Nichols, The Valley & Next Gen Finales, Uber Cancels Men, and 5yr Anniversary

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

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lined up for you guys. Later on this show, we got the hilarious, talented, iconic Matt Rogers with us, and you are gonna want to stick around for that. Get ready to pee your pants, laugh out loud. It's gonna be a lot of fun. He was recently in town hosting the Culture Awards with his co-host, Bowen Yang.

And he is with us to talk about all things reality TV, culture, pop culture. It's going to be a ton of fun. Also later this episode, we have Austin Nichols. You know him probably from One Tree Hill, but also he is in the new reboot of I Know What You Did Last Summer. And we have him later this episode

to talk about his new movie and so much more. And coming up shortly, we have Taylor Owen and James Neal. You probably know them as an adorable couple on TikTok that like to do impressions of your favorite Raleigh TV characters like from Summer House, The Valley, you know, I think Love Island. Either way, they're with us shortly

to talk about the dark, dark valley. But to kick things off, apparently yesterday was mine and Natalie's five year anniversary from which we started dating. I don't know about all the other married couples out there. Lea, do you have, how many anniversaries do you have with Danny that you celebrate? Well, we don't remember when we started dating,

but we rounded up to the next month. So we celebrate April 1st sometimes, just as like a, hey, if you remember. Like, Sierra, what about you? Do you, now that you are engaged, how many anniversaries do you guys have? Well, we obviously will have July 1st, the engagement anniversary next year.

So you celebrate the engagement anniversary? I'm just kidding, no. But honestly, do I have to celebrate that too? She hasn't gotten a chance to celebrate it yet. It just happened. So next year on July 1st, we'll have to ask her, did y'all celebrate your engagement anniversary? Do we celebrate our?

When you're counting. How did you figure out, well first of all, I wanna thank my wife because she got me a very thoughtful card and wrote a very meaningful message that quite honestly felt good. It honestly though didn't count because I didn't put it on Instagram. That's not true. It counted for me. Definitely my love language up there, words of affirmation. It was very much thanks for being you and everything that you do for us. It was received

with a lot of love. So thank you. I do appreciate it. For those of you guys asking, I absolutely did not get Natalie anything. I did not know it was our anniversary. I didn't know that, like, did you, is this officially the day? Because every summer, it's always like, it's around this time. No, I just decided to pick this day. Okay.

Yesterday. Did you officially ask her to be your girlfriend on a day? No. He was like, you need to, we need to talk. Can you come out to LA so we can just talk about this? Because I just can't do this anymore. And I was like, we need to talk, can you come out to LA so we can just talk about this? Because I just can't do this anymore. And I was like, sure, yeah. I came out to LA for a weekend

and then we basically had a talk. And then I guess I left there being like, okay, I guess I'm moving out here in a little bit. You're mine. Guess we're together. Close things off. I don't remember, will you be my girlfriend? But I guess, yeah, I guess we yeah, I guess we're like, no,

we're like, yeah, we're gonna do this. Like official, do people do that still? Like officially ask someone to like be their girlfriend? Fuck if I know, I don't know. I think they do, yeah. I feel like you're just kind of at each other's house at all the time and it's like, well, you're not seeing anybody and I'm not seeing anybody.

I guess you're my boyfriend. It was definitely not that. It was definitely not like 2025, where it's just like, okay, we're like, we're exclusive, guess you're my boyfriend. It was definitely not that. It was definitely not like 2025 where it's just like, okay, we're exclusive, but we're not boyfriend and girlfriend. It wasn't like we're this, but we're not that. It was definitely like, we're all of it.

Also, if we're gonna do this, you should probably move here. Yeah, we're all in. We're all in. Or out. Exactly. But not, will you be? Would love to experience that one. I mean, obviously we were still gonna go

to our swinger parties and like orgies and things that we were already doing. Obviously. God, you guys are having a lot of fun. So much fun. But like, but committed, you know what I'm saying? For sure. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, still. You're swinging, but you're swinging from each other. You both are picking a key out of the bowl. Well, no, no, no, now we're at the park swinging with our daughter. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, hey, that's growth, you guys. What do you ladies think of men in sweatpants?

Hot. Do you, Sierra? What do you think of men in sweatpants? What do you think of people in sweatpants? Honestly, I mean, I love sweatpants, so I have no judgment. Like on your body? Or just the aesthetic of looking at someone? I am the person that is wearing sweatpants at the airport.

I do not have an outfit. I like going looking like trash and leaving looking like trash. I love to see someone looking and feeling cozy. That's when they're the most themselves. I'm definitely not island. I'm by myself. No, honestly.

So Nick wakes up in the morning, obviously sleeps in underwear and then wakes up and puts on jeans immediately. No, in the morning I will put on sweatpants. In the morning. You were wearing these pants this morning. No, no, no, no, no, that's not true.

Sometimes certain pants that I will take off before I get in bed will put back on when I get out of bed. Sometimes I'll get sweatpants, but if I'm wearing sweatpants, it is in the morning. After that, I'm not a loser. Don't call me a loser. I'm sorry. You just called all of us.

That's just like how I think about it in my head. No, that's not what you said. I have self-respect. You didn't say you that you were a loser or self-respect. You said, I feel like I have the flu. Yes, when I'm wearing sweatpants in the middle of the day, I feel like I have the flu. It's giving like, I just can't get out of bed.

I give up. It's giving, I give up. And I have an achy It's giving like, I just can't get out of bed. I give up. It's giving, I give up. And I have an achy, achy body. I think you're ignoring the intentional rebrand of sweatpants into joggers so people wouldn't feel like losers. Because that's all they did. They just started calling sweatpants joggers, gave it a cinched ankle and boom, public. Well, if you're talking about leggings on the ladies, I am down. No, I'm talking about joggers, which are just sweatpants with a better name. Leggings are not joggers?

What are joggers? They're like sweatpants. Elevated. They're sweatpants that cost $80. With an ankle band. Yeah. So I posted, but I posted a picture of Nick wearing these on my story the other day and like gave the like story

of Nick doesn't wear sweatpants and he just like put these on and I'm like always begging Nick to like just like rot with me like just put on some sweatpants like let's get cozy let's like get coat let's just cuddle and get cozy and he can't do it he's allergic to it and so I posted it and I had so first of all I had so many DMs of women being like my husband is the exact same way wait no, no, actually like, everyone's like, this is a man thing, like my husband's the exact same way. And then I've never been told so much, like respectfully, your man is so hot.

And it was like, it's because of the sweatpants. I don't get it, I just can't do it. Maybe it's just like old me or whatever when I had my sales job working for home, I had to like put clothes on. Like the mentality, the mental disconnect of wearing sweatpants, it's like I'm not working, I'm not contributing to society. I'm a deadbeat dad.

If I'm wearing sweatpants in the middle of the day, I'm a deadbeat dad. Meanwhile, me, I get River ready. She looks so cute. She has her hair done with the bows and a cute outfit and her shoes, and then I am in sweatpants and a big t-shirt and greasy hair and a bun.

And that's how we go throughout the day. Priorities. Literally, get the baby dressed. Of course. Well, all the other men out there who allow it. You're not alone. Yeah, you're not alone. That does feel, it feels good.

It feels really good to me. Ladies, how do you feel about Uber's big announcement that apparently soon the ladies will be allowed to order Uber drivers that are specifically women? Just cancel the men Uber drivers. Do you feel like they're gonna take a little bit longer to get to you because they haven't left their house yet?

Yeah. Yeah, they'll be like, on my way. And I'll be like, nope, still there. I don't think you are, I think the amount of curbs ran into and ignored just went up by 35%. Literally, honestly, I feel like I'll be among friends because I won't have to be like, you know,

like all of the lights lit up on the dashboard. It's like, I feel at home when that's like, when that's in the case. When I first started dating Natalie, she drove my car once and hit a curb slightly, kind of grazed it like parking. And then she came home with like a very like, I'm in trouble, oh no.

And then like, what am I supposed to do? Kind of like, I guess it's fine, I guess are you okay, you know, whatever. And then I'm pretty sure going forward, there were several other instances where I think maybe things got scratched, but because I really handled it maturely the first time, I think she just decided, oh, it just. It's fine, he doesn't care.

It's fine, he doesn't care. It's fine. Like one time we were driving home and we were driving up Laurel Canyon and the windy roads, and I think Nellie was feeling a little race car drivery. And literally it just hit the side of the road. No, the curb was out further than it ever was before. That's what she literally said.

The curb moved. The curb moved. She's like, oh my God, that side of the road came out of nowhere. Nick's like, it's literally always been there. I'm like, no, they moved it out further recently. Well, Nick, this is kind of bold of you to say, as you are the only person I know that in real life

that has ever nicked my car. Oh. Ooh. Oh. I've been saving that one. Get a Mary. Yeah, but being that I put a note on your car. I was like, you said, I'm so sorry. I'll pay for this. And I said, actually that scratch was already there.

It wasn't you. I wasn't sure. I like I parked and I was like, I just fucking hit Mary's car. And then I saw a scratch and I'm like, okay, well. No, I was at Whole Foods and there was really no parking. It was tight. And so there's one parking spot, one car didn't really park the best to get into there.

So then I unfortunately had to park kinda like fucked because that car parked. Anyway, so I'm in my spot and I go in the grocery store, I'm grocery shopping, whatever, and I come out and I'm driving and then I see like, oh, someone wrote a note like on their receipt. And I was like, oh my God, it's probably like a fan of the podcast. Like, oh my God, someone literally like, you know, I was like, oh my God, like, he's Shane, he's Shane, he's Shane, like, that's so sweet.

So I literally like, at a red light, like, got the note. So I was like, I don't want this to fly away. Like, I want to make sure I read this note because this is like, you know, someone's like so sweet. Oh, and I read it and it was like, you, like got the note. So I was like, I don't want this to fly away. Like I want to make sure I read this note because this is like, you know, someone's like so sweet. Oh, and I read it and it was like, you parked like a fucking asshole, you stupid bitch. And I was like, okay. Okay, so not what I thought it was.

We'll never read a note on our car ever again. Literally, anyway. And I should have let that blow away in the wind. Will you ladies be utilizing this new feature? Oh hell yeah. I'm going to save 75 cents to every dollar I tip. Yeah, exactly. I will also honestly be using it.

That's nice. Do you like talking? I don't. No, sometimes if they, if they can hang, sure. But if it's like awkward, no, I think you catch the vibe early on. If it's like a, oh, it's one, if it's ever one of these, you know, where you're like, maybe you're checking out at the grocery store,

you're like serving, you're like, how's your day? And they're like, oh, I'm tired. You know, and you're like, okay, I didn't, you know, I wanted that, I'm good. Like, I don't, we don't need to, and I left work last night and I didn't get any sleep because I had this pounding headache. It's like, okay, and wrap it up

because I didn't ask for all that, you know? And I feel like that's maybe what we're gonna get a little bit more of because women feel safe with women and we feel like we can chit chat. Will men be allowed to utilize this? Absolutely no. No. That's the whole point, man. Literally the whole point.

Yeah, no. No, but as passengers. No. No. Because I bet the women drivers are also like, you know what, I don't wanna the whole point. Yeah, no. No, but as passengers. No. No. Because I bet the women drivers are also like, you know what, I don't wanna drive a man. Yeah. They smell bad. They should just kill us all. Let's just get rid of that.

Besides you. Yeah. Well, you said it. Okay. Mm-hmm, well, you said it. No, it actually is giving, did any of y'all start watching Dexter Resurrection? No. The new Dexter. They keep trying to keep it going,

and honestly, I appreciate it. It's pretty good, but it's basically about, like, you know, it gets into, like, Uber drivers. Mm. Being murderers. Dexter's now an Uber driver. Dexter's an Uber driver in New York City. I mean.

A lot of crime that happens there. Yeah, a lot of crime. I wonder why Uber wasn't okay with the Dexter franchise using their name. So, like, he's gonna be a serial killer and it's you driver. They said pass. They said pass, well that's why they were like, fuck we gotta give them women drivers now.

If Dexter's gonna do it. After Dexter. They're like we're about to do women only drivers. This is the worst marketing ever. The legends of late night TV got together. Obviously we have all heard of Stephen Colbert and the late night show itself being canceled. And media, the landscape is constantly changing and evolving and obviously late night television

has been something that's been talked about in terms of what's the future look like. It was just very nostalgic I think just to see all these legends get together from Stephen Colbert to Andy Cohen. Anderson Cooper was there, you had Seth Meyers, Jimmy Fallon, John Oliver. I think all of those shows are New York based. Jimmy Kimmel didn't look like he could make it,

but he's out in the West Coast. But it's just a cool moment, you know, for all of them to get together, always kind of charming and nostalgic. What was your favorite late night show growing up, guys? Letterman and Conan, that was my bag. Mine was George Lopez. I definitely was like, I knew I was up too late

when I heard that song, come on. Oh, hell yeah. That's real niche, the George Lopez show? Wait, the George Lopez sitcom or his late night show? No, sitcom. Sitcom, oh okay. Did you ever watch his late night show? We were talking about late night shows, but.

No, that was my late night show. Okay, that was your late night show. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like. Like the tonight show or like not, not a sitcom. Like you didn't watch it. Neither did I. That's the point. Natalie and I did not watch late night television.

It was late night and I was watching a show. And it was a show. Yes, the office is mine now. You can explain it how you want, but that was my watching a show. And it was a show, yes, the office is mine now. No. You can explain it how you want, but that was my late night show. This is what late night means to me. I don't know. All right, well, it's time to get into some

of our favorite reality TV shows, starting with what we like to call now the Dark, Dark Valley. And with that, it's time to bring in our guests, Taylor Owen and James Neal. They are up next. Well, welcome to the show, guys. It's great to have you. Obviously, we've laughed at much of your content

that you guys have posted on social media. I remember seeing you guys break down Summer House recently, and I think a lot of people enjoyed that. So we are happy to have you on and figured, well, let's just bring them on. We love talking about some of the stuff that you guys are covering as well.

I'm just curious, you guys are engaged together? Yeah, engaged together. So when did you guys like? Engaged together or engaged separately? Yeah, you guys separately, you are together. You are officially a love couple? It's official. You're a large first and a comedy act second.

A lot of people think siblings, but you know. Oh, that's great for you guys. Yeah, I like to keep them guessing, you know what I mean? Yeah, we started making succession videos online and everybody thought because we were playing Ken and Shiv that we were siblings, but no. One little happy family.

A page out of Nick from Love Island's book, who I don't know, did you see his old Vine videos where he was, you tried to convince the internet that his girlfriend was his sister and they made out with it? No, I did not see that. Oh my God, he's taking our bit. Or I guess we're taking his bit, I guess. It's a good bit to follow, you know.

We were talking about this earlier, how many anniversaries do you guys celebrate? And then I guess what I'm saying is, James, how many anniversaries are you forced to celebrate? Oh man, I guess the only one that we, to be honest, we don't even celebrate it, but it was when we became boyfriend girlfriend. It's gotten dark.

And then I proposed last year in June. Yeah. Did you celebrate? Did you celebrate this June? No. Your engagement? No, we didn't. We did it, oh God.

What was the day though? Was it 16th? We celebrate May 11th, Did you celebrate this June? No. No, we didn't. We did it, oh God. What was the day though? Was it 16th? We celebrate May 11th, yeah. May 11th. We've been together nine years, so we do celebrate that. Damn.

Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess just one, but we really don't celebrate that either. Maybe when we get married. Sometimes we both forget to be truthful here. When did you guys realize that it wasn't just love that brought you together,

but you guys could work together? Great question. Well, we went to school for it. We both met at Chapman University as screen actors. We were studying there. And we were friends for probably like a year until we really started dating. And then we made like some YouTube skits and you know.

We always knew we wanted to work together in some capacity because like I was his biggest fan, he was mine hopefully. And I think just then, yeah, when TikTok came around, we've been actors for a long time and we're like, let's just do this together. Well, y'all are crushing doing it together. Thank you. I didn't even watch Succession, but I watched your bit. Oh, is that right?

I was like, I have no idea what's going on, but this is hysterical. That's a high compliment. That's all you need. Fantastic. Well, let's get into the valley. We did have Luke on in his shorts. Yes.

Yes. I wore jeans today because of that. He kind of slayed with his little knees. Clearly, I don't think Luke listens to our show, which I totally get on the regular. I am anti-shorts. Like if you're an adult man, and it's not a heat advisory out,

you cannot wear shorts in public. If you're not working out. Oh, you're just saying like, you can't go out of your house with shorts on. Yeah, I just don't think. Nick has really strong opinions on two articles of clothing, sweatpants and shorts. What's your sweatpants take?

Yeah. He thinks you're a loser. If I'm wearing sweatpants in the middle of the day, I feel like I have the flu. That's cool. I like that. I like that. The shorts one, I give a little,

like what if you're golfing, you know, on golfing in the heat? Are you wearing pants? I The shorts one, I give a little, like what if you're golfing, you know, on golfing in the heat? Are you wearing pants? I mean, yeah, I, you know, the golf course is a whole nother animal that I- Got it, got it, got it. I think- Little boys club.

I can say that pants definitely is a better look. To Luke's credit, he had good legs. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Great legs. Yeah, great legs. But I think I'm with you, Nick. Also, people are talking about his interview. You know why?

Because he wore shorts. So real. Maybe he's just a media mogul genius, Nick. Boom. Honestly, he knew what he was doing. He got the people talking. He also got Jax Taylor talking. Allegedly, yeah.

Oh. I think Jax Taylor is our number one listener. Oh. Oh, great. Have you had him on? Hey, Jax. No, he's got me blocked. Oh, nice. Nice, nice, nice. Have you had him on? Hey Jax. No, he's got me blocked. Oh nice, nice, nice.

But we had Luke on Tuesday. He was on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. He was on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, you know. He's very honest about his feelings about all the guys and you know, the rest of his cast. And he posts a screenshot of a text he gets from a random number and it says, "'Maybe you should not go on a podcast and talk shit

You are a loser. We never liked you. You did last longer than six months grow some balls You can only be friends or talk to people Kristen allows you to we all knew you were whipped. Anyways never trusted you And yet he's still on the show Yeah, you posted that and Kristen says this is a hundred percent Jax from another number. Yeah, that's. I mean, who else would it be? It's Fred Dredgeson. Yes.

Yes, exactly. It's his alter ego. A hundred percent. Frank Draymond, thank you. But it's written as someone who's like inside the group. He couldn't help. It wasn't even that carefully crafted. No, not at all.

You are a loser and we never liked you. Who's we? Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised it didn't say this is my show. I know. I know. Listen, Lisa had him pegged way earlier on.

She knew. It's giving high school bully. Yeah. He's the toxic high school boyfriend everybody got away from. But he just never grew. Well, we do have a rapid recap of the Valley, so let's get into it.

It is the finale of the most miserable show on TV. Thank God and Janet wants Kristen to punch her in the face. So she'll go to jail and have her engagement ring taken away question mark, lovely as always. Jack thinks Danny is two-faced, which is the word he used to describe people who experienced guilt and regret. Jesse actually has actually,

so ridiculous. Jesse actually has an actually kind of nice conversation with Michelle, but most importantly, Zach raises the question, what is more painful, injecting Botox into your scrotum or a friendship with Janet? The answer probably won't surprise you, it's Janet. Then at Michelle's Zen party, she must have secretly cursed the crystals because oh my God, here's what happened.

Brittany finally realized Jax was a greasy man child. Jesse cried. Jax decided he needed to give Danny advice on his drinking issues and proceeded to have a mental breakdown, therefore destroying the zen. Danny then comes in with a banger revelation. Jax has slept with his staff.

And somehow, Janet still somehow comes out of this evening as the worst person in the group. This show makes no sense. Overall, will Jax Taylor cease to exist without a camera in his face? Will Janet come out of hiding? Who will get divorced next? Find out in the group. This show makes no sense. Overall, will Jax Taylor cease to exist without a camera in his face? Will Janet come out of hiding? Who will get divorced next? Find out at the reunion.

Wow, great recap. Wow. What an episode. I mean, honestly, it was a boring episode up until our Zen party at the Michelle Zen party. And like, I am worried for Zach. Yeah, go on. What was that, actually?

He was the definition of literally screaming, crying, throwing up. He was screaming, he was crying. I thought he was throwing up. He was literally gagging. Not to mention once again, we have a sober Danny and a room full of people who are black out drunk. Blacked out drunk.

Like everyone in that scene was blacked out drunk except Danny and Nia. And I don't know, listen, maybe Danny throws a few back once in a while and gets a little sauce. He is only human. You know what I realized recently about this show and just following this group of people that a lot of them originated from Vanderpump era.

And then some people who are still part of this universe that are out there trying to keep their reality TV show going through whatever the shit they're doing. This is a group of people who just, all they know how to do is throw each other under the bus. That's like all they know how to do. It's just kind of crazy. That scene where Jax walks up to Danny

and then Brock with his bleach blonde hair. It's like you almost realize, like did Brock know, like was he like, you know what, I'm gonna dye my hair because this is around the time where like shit's gonna hit the fan and I don't want anyone to recognize me. Yeah. I don't know.

He looked directly into camera and then walked off. And he's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. And then he stepped away. A scene is about to happen. You know the producers were just like, yeah, you're gonna wanna step away from this. 100%. He saw Jack's coming.

He's like, yeah, I'm gonna leave. That's my cue. That is my cue. I can say for Brock, as someone who has bleached her hair to maybe think that maybe people won't acknowledge her, it doesn't work. My hair is getting razzle-wazzle. My eyes left and right.

No, everyone's just like, oh, you're blonde now. And I was like, you saw that? You saw that? You noticed? You noticed that my hair is a completely different color and I look completely different? Sometimes you watch reality TV show just so you can feel like you're in the room

with these people. I love Southern charm because of that, because you feel like you're hanging out in Charleston. At some point, you know, when you're watching The Valley, you're like, do I really want to be in the valley hanging out with these people? And like most of the time it's no. You know, God forbid that the guy takes a swig of tequila and gets crucified for it. It's insane. And we still haven't let it go. Like we're so many episodes away from that and we're still talking about it. If that's what we have to talk about,

then I think things are gonna happen. It also was crazy to hear Zach yell, you're a whore to Janet. So, so aggressive. Whatever you say to Janet, it's like, how is this allowed? Yeah, and Jason being able to like hold himself back from that. I mean, that's insane.

Jason was literally holding himself back. He was like, Oh my God, does someone keep me away from you? Please stop me. I'm dangerous. Yeah. His insults were a little weak. Yeah. His insult was like, Benji, you're a nice guy.

Yeah. But that was, I mean, the like, but he's like making faces. He was like, he went a nice guy. Yeah. But that was, I mean, the like, he's like making faces. He was like, he went full toddler mode on Janet. And I don't even think he knew. Yeah, I on Watch What Happens Live after he was like, yeah, I don't even, I was so drunk. I don't even know what I was saying. Yeah, we know.

I was like, yeah, we know. I could see his boyfriend trying to take the wine glass out of his hand and he said, no, stop it. Yeah, Benji's like, what have I gotten myself into? Another night at Yamashiro. I've said this before, I know Sierra's gonna disagree with me. More evidence that Brittany is equally as horrible

as Jax Taylor. Interesting. Surprisingly, I mean, I'm not gonna say equally as, but I will say as the season has gone on, especially last episode when Kristin got engaged and how she was like, when they were like, well, why do we have to be here if Danny and Nia I'm not gonna say equally as, but I will say as the season has gone on, especially last episode when Kristen got engaged and how she was like, when they were like, well, why do we have to be here

if Danny and Nia and I was like, cause your friend got engaged. It's like very much I'm seeing the like, how you were compatible with Jax a little bit, like where I'm like, you're making everything, every moment about you. And this is like your friend's celebration, get over it. Yeah, and they're still not divorced.

I got no time for people who are adults who say things like, well, they were just never mean to me so I just don't have a problem with them. That does, that is the worst. They just fucked over your friend and lied to your other friend and they're calling your other friend, like they're literally spreading rumors about them.

No, but for sure they were totally cool with you. Yeah. Yeah, no, she's, yeah, yeah. And they're not divorced yet still. She went on and she was like, yeah, I forgot to send in paperwork, so it's not, not till I totally went on. That's what I'm saying, this is a group of people,

all they know how to do is monetize each other's trauma. Shit. Like, their whole playbook of like getting attention and shining a light on them, it's like this whole universe is like for me to rise, someone in this group has to fall, you know? Like that's it's the only formula they know how to work with.

So like. It's also so exhausting because we got this season, the reunion trailer, we saw that. And you see at the end of it, Andy being like, Brittany, are you still in love with Jax? And I swear to fucking God, if we get a yes, it's like, we've got to stop. We're tired.

We're tired. We're so tired, Brittany. It's the same old crap over and over. What do you think the next season will look like without Jax and with all this drama? Is there an X-Series? What do we think? Yeah, I mean, to your guys' point.

Hopefully fun and there's humor and nothing. I did not laugh once in this season. There was not a moment of, oh, let's relax and put on the valley and just watch some good reality TV. It was like, oh, great, I hate my life and I hate everything that I watch. I wanna have some kind of respect for these people.

Like Luke and Kristin, Danny and Nia, I got respect for them. Like, you know. Agree. I'm not looking for perfect people. I want people who have flaws in their life or whatever and have to overcome some adversity and work through them shit.

And I wanna see them like crush life. I want them to like have chase a dream and do some cool things. Like this is just a group of people who are just chasing clout and trying to step all over each other over the most craziest things that don't have any sense of family values or they, I mean, I'm watching adult men talk about a fucking

boys chat, you know? And it's- Oh, thank God. I'm gonna start on fucking boys chat, you know? And it's- The boys chat. I'm gonna start on the boys chat. Just a bunch of fucking losers. So yeah, honestly, like Jesse's tears, like- Did you buy him? No. Okay.

What did he say? He said, I don't wanna show growth, I wanna be growth. What the fuck is that? Who did he learn that from? His friend, therapist, life coach. What the fuck is that? Who did he learn that from his friend, therapist, life coach? What is not showing versus being? Well, if you are showing growth, I mean, honestly, that's.

He's like, I feel like words speak louder than actions. He's that kind of guy. It's like, if I say it, it will be and just, yeah. Because showing it, honestly, I don't want any part of that. Yeah, no, no, no, no. The date where all the guys went to Jesse's house and were doing whatever the hell that was, that, that was comedy.

So I'll say that was the one point in the show that I got a good laugh at. When the life coach or whatever was like, and this is called a list. Yeah, and we know you literally list things off for sure. 100%. Yeah. Also, they like squeezed so much drama in, and like that collage at the end, where they're like, here's now just every fight everybody's having and like, hopefully

everyone will latch onto something. I was like, this is a lot. I'm having anxiety from everybody's fights right now. Not a four way split screen of everybody yelling at each other and crying. Like, I'm good. Literally. They all hate each other. Yeah.

Do you think, is Jax Taylor gonna be part of the reunion? Yeah, he's there. He is. Yeah, I think he's there, yeah. Yeah, I think so. I swear to God, if they try to get me, and I'm not going to, to be clear, I have no empathy or sympathy for Jax Taylor or Jesse, but if they try,

which I suspect they will, I'm gonna be so fucking annoyed. No, we had Brittany going, I wouldn't touch that dirty dick with a 10 foot pole and Jax going, that's not what you said four months ago. Oh god. Great impression. Yeah, that was very good, yeah. I don't think Andy will let him off the hook, right? Andy's gotta hate those guys. I don't feel like he does. I feel like Andy's like, I don't think Andy will let him off the hook, right? Andy's gotta hate those guys.

I don't feel like he does. I feel like Andy's like, I don't know. They made him a lot of money. That's why he had Jackson watch What Happens Live, you know? Like, I feel like he- That was a tough watch. It was a tough watch. Yeah.

Should we get into some next gen? It was the finale of next gen as well. Yes. Yeah. Which apparently Chrissy Teigen says this is like the best show on television. And she's really- Really? Oh. Oh. I don't really think she's this is like the best show on television. Really? Oh. I don't really think she's watching much else.

I don't know what she has to compare to. I mean, it's fine. I just, you know, I'm willing to give it some time. I can't say that was like totally captivated yet. I will say that I'm like, the thing that I like about next gen that I wish the Valley had more of is that I do like watching people aspire

to accomplish things and have jobs. And I'm like, the Valley, I'm just sitting there like, y'all are just literally going to each other's houses talking shit about your closest friends. I would like more than just Kristin having photo shoots, like I would like to see what you guys do to keep a roof over your head outside of this. I don't do anything else though.

My favorite part of the show is Meredith and Brooks. Yes, oh my God. That's its own show. I completely agree. Well it's tough with reality shows when they're not actually friends. They're all just kind of coming together for the season. It's kind of, it's a slow burn at that point.

I love shows where it's, you know, these people have long history with each other. Right, like shit could come out from the past. Yeah, which Brooks and his mom, a lot of history there. That was an interesting conversation at the table. We have a rapid recap for next gen and it is clearly written by Mary because I would never have any of these thoughts

or opinions about this show. Say it, give that disclaimer. We're eight episodes in and sadly, or happily, it's already the finale, but don't cry because it's over. Smile because Brooks will finally be able to know peace. Georgia went exclusive with her anarchist crypto boyfriend Omar, but Amira said he's a scammer. Okay.

She's also decided to name her club Club Club. And for those still confused, Georgia is opening a club and the name of the club is Club Club. Once again, because I know it's a complicated concept, it's a club called Club Club. And for those still confused, Georgia is opening a club and the name of the club is Club Club. Once again, because I know it's a complicated concept, it's a club called Club Club. Get it? Good. Moving on, Brooks debated merging his company with Meredith because he saw a video of a bird flying out of a nest and dying on the pavement once. Fair enough, Diva. Ultimately, he decided to take the risk and focus on his own company and resort collection, which the Volfol staff would be happy to test out if Brooks you're interested. Finally, Georgia Soft launches Club Club,

and it's literally just a normal bowling alley. Sorry, girl, but she does get investment money from a dude with a man bun. And Brooks, inspired by the 710 split, got so close to confronting Ava for skipping his birthday for a fake event, but didn't quite get there. But then at the end of the episode, there's this rapid fire info sesh of their entire summer. Georgia and Omar moved in together and then broke up. Then she posted a whole ass TikTok about it. He stranded her in Singapore and moved in with Charlie.

What overall, please make a full season of this and watch what happens live reunion. Andy, please sign Mary. Wow, Mary. Thank you. Well done. Very nice, very nice. I'm Next Gen's biggest fan. I mean more. Oh yeah? It is not a Bravo reality TV show.

More, it is more the spiritual successor of Lena Dunham's Girls. Oh. And I stand by it. I do think the one in LA will be so much better than the New York one. I disagree. How so? I think Sammy Sheen is great television.

I think she would crush. I think Cynthia Bailey's daughter is also, that's just a great dynamic we need. I just think there's so many more, we could have maybe some of Kyle Richard's daughters, we could have, like, you know, Heather Dubrow's kids, there's so much to pull from there that I feel like it could just be really good.

And do you think you would do all Bravo babies, or do you think they would grab some like tri-hard influencers? Yeah, I think they definitely have an option to like pull a Chet Hanks, but not Chet Hanks, you know? Here's my thing on Next Gen. Next Gen New York City works because of the New York City idea of old versus new money, right?

Because then you have like Charlie old money but then still kind of like poor and unexperienced in like relationship with the Bravo kids who are new money but experienced. So it's already like interesting and you have like old New York versus like the Atlanta like people, so that's fun. And it works on like the great Gatsby-esque

spiritual New York ideal. And then, but when we bring it to LA and it's kind of just like, oh, it's everyone and someone's kid. That's like LA. So what's interesting about that? Here's the only way to make Next Gen LA interesting. You get Bravo people,

you get Neppo babies in the entertainment industry, and then you also get the poor kids in the entertainment industry and then you also get the poor kids in the entertainment industry So I want like the head of CAA's son to be in it with That guy's actual assistant, right? Like and those are the fights. I want to see That's where you're gonna get and then throw Sammy Sheen in there and see what she does like that's where you're gonna get incredible television Well, I really I've never thought of Next Gen like any of this. You've really enlightened me here.

Next Gen is all about class struggles. Yeah, no, it's basically like the Gilded Age of reality TV. Yes. Yeah, wow, now I'm in. Now I like it. Thank you. What is your favorite reality TV shows that you guys are generally watching these days?

And not necessarily in this moment, but just. Right. In general. That's currently on there. In general. We love Summer House, big Summer House. Yeah, I love Summer House. Summer House House.

James loves Southern Charm. Southern Charm, she got me into it at the beginning of this year. It's because of the boys. You feel represented, James? James is so represented. Yeah, I feel represented by Shep Rose, no. I really knew that Thomas Ravenel.

I was like, James, there's this guy on it, he stands up, he insults everybody at a dinner party, just trust me. And he watched the first episode. He was like, oh, this is good TV. Well, yeah. And speaking of the storyline there of Craig starting from the bottom, kind of on the outs of the society and then making his way to being above those guys.

Are you a Craig stan? Do you think he bought the ring? No, I'm not a Craig stan. I don't know too much about the ring, Gate, but no, I'm not too much of a stan. Do you think he bought the ring? No. Okay, all right.

Hot take. What about when he showed that picture on another podcast? He's like, this is the ring. Do you think it was like fake? I do wonder why he didn't show Andy that ring on, like that photo on Watch It Up and Rock. Cause he didn't have it. I was like, it's a picture of an engagement ring,

a picture of an engagement ring. Right. You can change the metadata of anything. It's on my nightstand, look. Truly. You could probably loan one. Didn't he say he bought it in March? And then the photo was also taken in March,

so everyone was like, wait, I thought it had to be custom made. So how did you buy it in March, but then also have it at home in Charleston on your nightstand also in the month of March? Craig's timeline's never really edit. Truly. So yeah, no.

You did say he was a liar on the show. Yeah, yeah, he admitted that. He said he's not a liar. He's a storyteller. Oh, storyteller. He just really gave, like, we've all been like broken up with, and we're like, well, I was gonna like,

take us on a trip and it was gonna be amazing, because like one time you'd be like, I should do something nice for my girlfriend. I know I never really do. And then they break up with you and then you bring up the thing that you always thought about doing that you never did. Like that's how it gave.

Yeah, yeah. So true. I was just gonna become a great person and you broke up with me. Yeah. That's how it's going. How dare you ruin my progress. How dare you, yeah. And now I'm gonna ruin your life. I was gonna change everything.

Well, it was great to have you guys on. Thank you for breaking down our favorite TV shows with us. Where can people follow you if they don't already know already? Where you're making people laugh out loud on the internet. Making people lull at Taylor Grayson and James Mitchell Neal. We also just started a podcast called the Regular Update.

So you could find us there. Every Tuesday, and then we are going on tour, if you wanna catch us live this fall, we're hitting some major cities. Yeah, busy beat. What does a show look like for you guys? It's like a two person SNL show. Just us two going up doing live sketches,

we have some digital sketches as well, some live music components. It's a fun time. It's like an hour, hour and 15 show. It's great. Yeah, very nice. And where can people find tickets? On our Linktree.

So yeah, go to our Instagrams. You can find it there and yeah, come on out. It's a really good time. Incredible. Well, make sure you guys go check out their Linktree, see their show. Thank you guys for coming on. It's been a ton of fun.

Thank you. Thank you for having us. Appreciate it so much. All right, appreciate you. Up next, we have Austin Nichols. You know him from One Tree Hill and he's also on the new reboot of I Know What You Did Last Summer. He is coming up next.

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for full disclosures. There he is. Austin. What's up guys, how's it going? It's great to have you Austin. Really excited to be with you. We're huge fans. I myself just wanna say,

absolutely loved you on Day After Tomorrow. I don't know why I've always been obsessed with that movie. I remember seeing it in the theaters back in the day. There was something about cold apocalyptic that I'd always, I'd always visualize, what would it be like to have to trek through just ice cold weather? I don't know, it was really near and dear to my heart.

So just know that you impacted my life greatly in that movie. I'm glad you liked it. That was a lot of fun. It was my first big budget, huge movie. And I remember getting there and walking onto these sets and just my mind was blown with it. They built like half a block of New York

inside a soundstage and then flooded it with cars, flooded it with water and there was cars and buses and cabs and it was just, you know, larger than life. So it was a really cool experience. That's awesome. Obviously we, we many of the people listening know you from one tree hell. I grew up watching, I know what you did last summer, the movie, the series. Where do you want to start first? You, should we talk some, I know what you did last summer or do you, the movie, the series. Where do you wanna start first? Should we talk some, I know what you did last summer,

or do you wanna scratch the itch of all the One Tree Hill fans that are intently listening? Let's start with I know you did last summer, cause it's happening now. Yeah, well first of all, let's just, congratulations. A very exciting movie to be a part of. I've highly anticipated, we're very much obviously in the era of like, let's reboot some of our favorite shows and movies that we loved watching and this

being a great one. So like just, I mean, what did it mean to you to just be asked to be a part of it? Were you a fan of the movies back in the day? And what did you want to bring to this experience that you maybe took from being a fan in the past? Well, you know, obviously I remember being 17 when the first movie came out. And I remember going to the theaters and seeing it in theaters. It was, you know, Stara, Jennifer Love Hewitt and Freddie and, and, and Ryan were, they were like the young new kids that were crushing it and blowing up and their careers were happening and

I was while I might be around the same age as them I was a little behind them because I didn't get to LA until a year later and I didn't even start but They were the sort of People I was watching a lot and going okay, like this is you know Maybe something I could do and I was really just starting, you know, maybe something I could do. And I was really just starting to, you know, dip my toe in acting. And I moved to LA the next year. And when I became, started paying more attention to writers and directors and learning that Kevin Williamson wrote Scream and he wrote this and he wrote

the faculty, I got really interested in this sort of man who kind of single-handedly brought horror and the slasher, the teen slasher flick into the 90s or the late 90s or whatever you wanna call it. And he did it in this really great way. And you know, and then time goes by, you know, I don't know, 20 years goes by and I get a call and somebody says, at Original Films, they're really interested in you for this role, or I know you did last summer,

and I just go, what? You gotta be kidding me. Hey, so this is actually Austin, did you mean to call me or? Yeah, yeah, and I think being an actor is really weird because we spend a lot of time, everybody's experience is really weird because we spend a lot of time, everybody's experience is different, but I spend a lot of time auditioning

and trying to chase down roles and show what I can do. And every once in a while though, the phone rings and somebody wants you. And it's weird because sometimes I feel guilty. Yeah. Do you, are you immediately like, well, like, I mean, is this going to be even any good? Like why should I audition or like they just want to give it to me? That like, did everyone else say no or?

It's such a weird feeling. And then the message was, you know, the Jennifer, the Jennifer, the director wants to talk with you on zoom. I was like, great. Okay. I talked with her on zoom. She's brilliant and bright and, and really cool. And but I'm calling my people Zoom, she's brilliant and bright and really cool. But I'm calling my people going, is this happening?

And finally, they started doing the deal and it closed. I was like, okay, I'm getting on a plane to Australia and I'm going to be a part of this movie that was really big in my formative years when I first started acting. I told my friends and family, I I was like I'm pinching myself This is this is such a cool thing to be a part of and I went down there Got to go to Australia, which was a lifelong dream never been there always wanted to go and Got to work in Australia and fast forward to last week. We're all in LA at the premiere everybody's on the red carpet looking beautiful

and doing interviews and hugging and saying hi. And we go into the theater and people are screaming at the screen and laughing. And I mean, it was a really fun night. And yeah, I'm still kind of waking up from it and can't believe I'm a part of it. It was a blast all the way around. That's awesome.

What was the vibe when you got to set and first started shooting the movie with everyone? up from it and can't believe I'm a part of it. It was a blast all the way around. That's awesome. What was the vibe when you got to set and first started shooting the movie with everyone? Were a lot of people just kind of nostalgically talking about how old they were when they first watched the movie or what it meant to them and things like that? Absolutely. I think the new cast, the young guys and gals, they were in a different place because they're the leads of the movie now. And they were also, I think some of them hadn't

maybe possibly hadn't even seen the original movie and then they went and watched it. I think, I think I heard some story like that. But I got there later, they had already started shooting. And it's always weird when you come in later and you're not there for like the first week. Cause you're kind of like, where do I fit in? It's like being a bombshell on love Island.

You're like, I don't know. You guys are, you guys are already fooling me. Yeah. You're like, okay, you guys are like going out to dinner. Okay. Oh, should I go out to dinner? I'll stay in though. I don't know.

So you're kind of like figuring out your place and, but then also I'm in Sydney and I'm going to the beach and it's summertime in November and I'm like having the time of my life. So it was kind of odd at first and then I met everybody and everybody was really nice and lovely. And then I remember Freddie Prinze Jr. and Sarah Michelle Geller, who are the loveliest couple on earth, they had this dinner for everyone and we all had this great night, this big, fun Italian place.

And it was like, it felt like when I first started making movies, like the day after tomorrow, and you fly to a place far away, you're staying in a hotel, it's like summer camp, you're meeting all these new fun people, and then you go make this thing. I almost felt like I'd started over, and it was the beginning again. It was a new lease on over and it was the beginning again. It was

It was a new lease on life. It was very cool What is it like working with this young the the younger new generation of actors, you know, Madame Klein and Tyreke withers and Gabrielle what was all that like, you know that the really fun thing for me with is perspective and Kind of looking at them, you know, the world is their oyster. They're young and they're new and they're crushing it. And also kind of being able to sit back and go, I'm really happy where I am. And you know, for a long time, you always want to be like, I want to be the lead. I want it, you know, I want to give me the ball. I want to be the point guard. I want to go. I want to

crush this. And I feel like I've gotten to a place where I want to give me the ball. I want to be the point guard. I want to go. I want to crush this. And I feel like I've gotten to a place where I went, oh, it's really nice to be Pastor Judah and not work every day and watch these kids go brush it and make this movie. And at the same time, they're lovely people. Like, I feel like, and look, I don't, nothing crazy happened to me when I was a young actor. It was all great. But people are nicer now on set. And people take care of each other more now on set. And I remember when I first started out,

movie sets were a little more militant. It was a little more like, be here on time, or you're fired, or hit your mark, or we're going to yell at you or like it was much, much more militant and sets now are much kinder. I appreciate that and love that a lot. So you know, lots of things, lots of feelings, but ultimately really fun to see these actors, not necessarily at the beginning of it, but really starting to feel their careers in themselves and to see them kind of take off with this. And I can't wait to see where they go.

They're a bunch of really nice people. Uh, I'm curious, Austin, you're, you're about my age coming up in Hollywood. Did you also like compete for crushes when it came to Jennifer Love Hewitt or Sarah Michelle Geller, because like they they were definitely the queens of my universe. Oh my God, okay, so Can Hardly Wait Yes. came out when I was a senior in high school. Yes.

And I saw the trailer and I was like, oh my God, it's the graduation night party. They're all, I called all my friends, I bought 20 tickets to the movie and I told all my friends, we're going to see this movie, trust me. We're like, graduating this year, I'm like, I'm gonna start crying.

You know, like, I'm gonna miss you guys so much, we gotta go see this movie and we all went and it was the best thing ever. We all watched this movie. But I was so in love with Jennifer Love Hewitt and you know, she was in that movie in particular, she was this untouchable high school queen, right?

And yeah, just to even touch a project, like I know you did last summer with Jennifer and meet her and talk to her a little bit. It's surreal. It's surreal because like you said, it's that person from your younger years that, how could you not have a crush? Right, I mean, I think every guy around that age was obsessed with those two. I loved that movie, Can't Hardly Wait,

where he's like, he wears shirts sometimes. That's great, great movie. I see a lot of your favorite movies are from like 19, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Do you was there anything that you maybe liked in 2000s or? I know why am I so into old stuff? It's weird. It's like my favorite movies from 1953.

I'm like, oh, relatable. Totally. I know. I literally tell people now and they glaze over. They're like, oh, or I'll even think I tell someone a fresh title and they go, that's from the eighties. Really? I'm like, it's not that old.

It's not that old. I just rewatched it. Okay. Recent 2000s movie. Was City of God made in the 2000s? I think so. City of God, Brazilian movie, one of the greatest films ever made. Were you consider yourself a cinephile?

No, but I did not say that, but somebody said that about me and it's followed me around and I hate it because I didn't ever said it, but I love movies. I love movies and I did have these journals and I was like, I love going and get, you know, collecting lobby cards and pasting them into my journal and writing notes and stuff. So I love and I still do love cinema, but I wouldn't call myself like some sort of encyclopedic

guy about it at all. Getting into One Tree Hill of it all, you've also directed some of like The Walking Dead, you're an actor, you're a director, how do you kind of like play both roles and how did you get into directing? So the first time I directed was on One Tree Hill. Right. And I did act and direct at the same time,

which was, for the first time directing, it was kind of hard. Don't really wanna do that very much. Yeah, like- Because directing is so all consuming. And I really want to be focused on directing. Having said that, you know, it was kind of fun to do both.

It's fun, but I don't want to lose sight of my day and what I have to accomplish because suddenly I go, oh crap, while you guys set up the lights, I'm gonna go get into wardrobe and hair and makeup and learn my lines real quick. And then like, I'm just doing too many things and I don't know if I'm gonna be the greatest actor that I can be because I've been so focused on directing.

So it's not ideal, but kind of awesome. Kind of awesome. So like the behind the scenes of that are, is you like on camera doing your scene and then is it like a you also yell cut and then like go and watch playback or? Yes absolutely and and and you know the first time I did it I remember not really having time to watch playback very much because it was kind of like TV's fast and you got to go and so I

remember leaning on my my DP and my first AD and saying, look, do we have it? We did two takes, we did three takes, do we have it? And I trusted them and they'd say, yeah, it was great. So there were very few times where I'd go watch playback just because I'm in money. But I made my first movie last summer. I've just finished it.

It's called The Salamander King. And there was a moment where we maybe didn't have a lead actor. movie last summer, I've just finished it. It's called The Salamander King. And there was a moment where we maybe didn't have a lead actor. We got Ryan Hansen, who's fantastic in the movie, but there was maybe a week where we didn't have him. And my producer looked at me and she goes, will you do it? And I was like, if I have to. There's no evidence. I don't want to, if I have to. There's no other option.

I don't want to, but you know, we have the money. We're scheduled to make this movie. We're slaughtered. We've got, like, we've hired the crew. We have all these other actors. And you're suddenly confronted with, can you do both? And I looked at her straight in the eye and I said, I can do it.

But thank God I didn't have to. Well, playing Julian Baker, obviously that's like such a beloved character on One Tree Hill. What was it like stepping into an already established show with an already established cast? Terrifying. Why?

Yeah, like five, what I did six, seven, so I came in season six. So they have basically five and a half seasons under their belt. You know, like people have known each other for years. There's politics, there's friendships, there's all this stuff. And you just, you get to a thing like that.

And it's always kind of scary because you just like, you don't know anything. And I always said, just focus on your work, go to set, focus on your work and be good at your job. That's all that matters. But I so quickly fell in love with North Carolina and spent four years of my life there and it became such a happy place for me. I mean, I still dream about having a place

there and retiring there. I love the beaches there. I love the water. I love the people and it's fantastic. I mean, this, and we'll get into this whenever you want, but if we go and make more of the show, I'm just tickled pink to go back. Oh yeah, so yeah, speaking of, One Tree Hill reboot, can the fans look forward to possibly maybe hypothetically-

Like what are the phone calls like? What does your email say? You wanna read it to us? My email? Yeah, the email's about the reboot, I wonder how. Greenlit. Did you send me an email? No. Okay, so I mean, I'm not really,

I'm not spearheading this at all, you know, Sophia and Hillary and Danil, and I think a lot of the gals, the original core cast, really have been digging into this for a long time. And I think they did it in a really smart way. And Becky Hartman Edwards is the showrunner and the woman who's writing it. And I met her and she's fantastic. And we had a coffee and talk.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I think, you know, a huge portion of the cast wants to do it and it feels real. There's no green light, but I think they're working on scripts and taking notes and tweaking things. And I, it feels, it feels like it could happen. I wish I had like, you know, right. I wish I could say, but I'm not the guy to say. And, um, but I will say that I will say that it feels very positive.

What I always like to ask, what does your gut tell you, Austin, in terms of like, will the fans be satisfied? When you say gut, I immediately say it's going to happen. Okay, all right. Who would you be most excited to work with again? Oh my gosh. Obviously, my scene partner, day in, day out with Sophia, she was gosh. You know, obviously, you know, my scene partner day in day out with Sophia, she was fantastic to work with. So that's going to be a lot of fun. We got our hair done at the same

salon beside each other the other day. Oh, nice. She's fantastic. But I will say, I think it would be really fun to work with Hillary again, because Hillary left the show. And I worked with her in the very beginning and then she left and we remained friends. And then her husband killed me in The Walking Dead and we had all this fun crossover and hang time. So I think it would be really fun to work with her again because we didn't get to do that much together. Oh yeah, that'd be really awesome.

That's such a great, it was such a great cast. It was such a great show. Did you end up like watching, I watching, do you watch your work back? Are you that type of actor? Are you the kind of the one that's like, I can't, I don't wanna see it. In the early days I had to watch because I was bad and I was trying to learn how to be better.

So no, really I would watch stuff and I'd be like, oh, that was really stupid, don't ever do that again. I found it to be a tool to get better. And then it changed over the years. And I always thought actors who said they don't watch their movies were full of shit. I was like, you're lying. You're lying Johnny Depp, you're lying.

But now that so many years have gone by, I understand it. And there's been a few things I've not watched I still do watch I'd say most of the time but there have been some things that I have I I didn't even bother watching but there is a freedom there's a freedom and not watching yourself because watching yourself can make you edit yourself and it can make you actors often want to be cool, which is dead. Trying to be cool and look good

is the worst thing you can do as an actor. So if you can look bad, if you can be vulnerable, if you can make a fool of yourself, that's where the good stuff is. Well, Julian and Brooke's kids, Davis and Jude, would be like 14 if we were to do a reboot, right? Oh, wow.

Yeah. Like who do you feel like should play them? They're your kids, you know? I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I know that very many actors that are that age. That many 14-year-old actors. Yeah. But they're gonna be great.

They better be great. They better be great. They better be great. Have you ever had a dream about being one of your characters you played, like in the universe and that you played it? I don't think so. That's a great question though. It feels like I should have,

but nothing jumps to mind, no. Nothing from like, I feel like being in like the Walking Dead world would just like consume all of your. You know what, now that you mentioned like something like that, that's like a post-apocalyptic, maybe something like that has, but I would need to think about it and come back to you with a great story

because nothing jumps out. But before we let you go, Austin, tell us a little bit more about the Salamander King and the movie you just talked about you were directing that's coming out soon. We are making a deal, or we're about to make a deal with a distributor, so it's a little early. But let me tell you about it.

It's called The Salamander King. It's about a rundown public golf course in Austin, Texas. It's an underdog sports comedy, and it's about all the funny people that work at this public golf course. And they find out that it's under threat from big special interests like big tech. They wanna bulldoze the course and build a big tech campus. So it's all about their fight to save the course and it's full of love and humor and I think people

will love the characters and I'm so, so proud of it. I've directed some TV but it's my first movie and we did it. We bootstrapped the thing and raised the money ourselves and did it small and you know friends came and worked for nothing and We cannot wait to get it out to you We think it's gonna be out in the beginning of 2026 But um, you know, I'll let people know as soon as I know on my Is it the way you describe it is kind of giving like almost like a Caddyshack kind of vibe feel to it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, we have a bunch of kind of comps,

but we really, when we talk about Caddyshack and we talk about a more grounded version of dodgeball, like a really, an indie grounded real dodgeball. Save the rec center, save the gym, save the golf course. That sounds great, man. How long were you filming for? We had shot it in 19 days. And I gotta be honest, usually 19 day shoots,

stuff in that range is really, really hard. And we had two cameras, we had a crack team, and we finished early on many days, and we got everything we needed and for an indie It went really smoothly and really well and I I couldn't have I couldn't be happier We're we definitely look forward to that and when it actually comes out and we have a release date Please come back on and let's talk more about it. Oh, that'd be great Love to just to piggyback off that so my dad was a golf pro like my whole life.

He like moved my family around like, you know, golfing and chasing this golf dream. And then once he like retired from golf, he started like taking over golf courses and like making them better, like getting these like run down golf courses and he would just like fix up the greens and he would do all this stuff.

So this is like, I love it. This feels like such a blast of like my, well, I'm dying for him to see it. And let me tell you one more thing. Willie Nelson has this golf course outside of Austin called Willie's cut and putt. And we couldn't have made this movie without this course. It's the fairways are dirt, but the tee boxes in the greens are beautiful. So you, you have a

great tee shot and then you get an AstroTurf mat and you hit off the fairway to this beautiful green. So they save a bunch of money. But like people around the golf courts smoking weed and like it is the craziest, coolest place. Not your typical country club. And people don't know about it. And it just was the perfect place for our movie.

So your dad's going to love this. I'm so excited to tell him about it. Austin, thanks so much for your time, man. It's been so much fun. Congratulations again, and I know what you did last summer. Excited to see Salamander King, and just great chatting with you, buddy. And also, hopefully, One Tree Hill,

sooner than later, you know. Oh yeah, well, I'll let you guys know as soon as I know something more, and thanks for having me on. Thank you so much, Austin. Thank you so much as soon as I know something more. And thanks for having me on. Thank you so much Austin. Thank you so much Austin. Talk to you later. Bye bye.

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I love a clap. Love a clap. Sometimes when we are like syncing with other people on Zoom, we're like, can you clap for us? One, two, three. And they're like. Yeah. A lot of the Love Island cast did that.

You know what? It's great to have, they live for the applause. They do. The gay community is reeling right now. Did you want to know why? Why? Because Lady Gaga did applause at the Mayhem ball and she hasn't done applause or really anything from art.

She also did a song called Aura. This is big gay news, babe. Wow. Like we've been saying, Gaga, we need art pop. Wow. And she's given us art pop. She heard. What a day.

What a day. That is so exciting. Matt, welcome to the show, man. I'm so happy to be here. So happy to have you. I'm a fan. The way you guys, your conversation with Joel Kim. One for the books.

I fold it. I fold it. Let's go. Wait, see the, listen, you know what though? Like I think in that situation, we all needed a little bit of folding. Yes, we did. We folded.

I got a message from Shannon after. You did. And it was like, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. Yeah. Let me tell you. Like being on the inside, well, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. Let me tell you, like being on the inside, well, I know you all know, but like sometimes it's like, when you know so much more than everyone else knows,

you just kind of sit there and smile. Yeah. Like. Yeah, you're like, love you all. But getting a call from him while he was, not to bring it all up again, but like getting a call from him when it was happening, I'm gonna be like, let me tell you something,

I don't have context and I don't think I ever can get context because it's a bunch of unreliable narrators here, but like God bless everyone. And the show was great. I don't think they got really over it, those two. I don't think that they will. No. I don't see a friendship in their future.

No. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't see forgiveness. No. Much of it. And no one really knows what know what I mean? No, yeah, I don't see forgiveness. No. Much of it. And no one really knows what happened. I mean, oh, for sure.

I mean, I know like Joel's version. I haven't been texting with Shannon Madure about it. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Well, Shannon really didn't tell us her version either. I mean, her version is like, I don't know where this is coming from. Like I, you know.

It hasn't ever done it. Sure, well, of course. All I'll say is, Joel's one of my best friends for years and Shannon has only ever been so sweet to me. So I root for everybody. That's how we feel. That's how we feel.

How I feel about everyone in Hollywood, rooting for them all. Rooting for them all. Rooting for them all as always. Well, congratulations on everything that you have going on. Last night was a big night for you guys. It was crazy. It's crazy.

It's crazy to be like sitting on it now, like because it's like now we have it in the can and I know like how good it is. And so I'm just like so excited for everyone to see it. We really fooled them into letting us do it. That's the only way I can describe it. How did you guys, the LCAAs? The LCCA, Los Culturistas Culture Awards, LCCA.

LCCA. I had to walk through there for a second. With my marble mouth, I have a hard time saying Los Culturistas. And can I tell you something? So does my dad, he calls it, he literally says Los Costa Ricas. Okay, I feel like me and your dad are.

He's like, I love the Costa Rica Awards, those are really nice. The Costa Rica Awards were amazing. I can say it five times in five different ways. Yep. You know, the only thing that drives me nuts is when people say Las Culturistas, like put like an ethnic layer on it.

I'm like, I promise you it's like Fashionistas or Maxinistas. It is not anything important. It's cultural appropriation. I'm like, no, it's stupid. Like, understand. That was me when I was 21 and I went to Mexico for the first time, not speaking any Spanish.

And I would say anything in a really bad accent and the servers would look at me and I'm like, why are you speaking slower and rolling your Rs as if that's Spanish? Well, remember in high school Spanish, they would tell you, they'd be like, no, roll the Rs, like do it, attempt to say it like it said,

but then you do feel crazy when you go to it. Can I have a Coca-Cola? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A pet. Oh, mi perro. It's like, shut up, just say dog and move on. It's like the best is the response in English, though. Like when people are trying to speak Spanish

and then they're like, do you want a Pepsi or not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's giving what housewife does that all the time? Dorit. Oh, Dorit. Dorit in her accent. Dorit. Dorit's international.

She's a little bit of the world. You never know what's coming out. Like it could be anything that flies out of that mouth. Anything but Connecticut. Right. Anything but Connecticut. Well, one of my favorite number one, actually this is a good memory.

Me, Joel Kim Booster and Bo and Yang were shooting the movie Fire Island. And we were on Fire Island for like, probably like two weeks to shoot all the exteriors. And everything else was a set in that movie, but the outside stuff was really in the pines. And we had no budget for that movie and we're having a really bad day. Like we had to like we were going to shoot this scene on the dock and like the tides

for the one time that summer decided to completely overwhelm the dock. Like everyone that was in the pines, all the gay guys were mad at us because we were like shooting and they're like, we're trying to have our fucking vacation. Like, what the hell? We're like, well, we promise you'll be proud of us later. The movie is good. But they were so mad. And I remember like, we woke up in the morning one day

and we had all had like a fight the night before. Like the cast got into it. Cause this is a bunch of gay guys together for like six weeks doing this like fraught movie about the Fire Island experience. And me, Bowen and Joel got together in the morning. We were like, listen, we are family. We're going to make it through.

And we watched an episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And it was the episode where Dureet said, I don't understand it. And four different languages. Garcelle, I speak four different languages and I don't understand what you're saying in any one of them. And then they cut to her conventional and she was literally like, she said it four different languages. And I think we laughed for 66 minutes.

It was like hardcore comedy. Oh my God. We loved Dorit. We loved Dorit. But it was, yeah, so Dorit, can she can- She brought, she honestly brought the three of you. She brought us back together. She did.

She brought us back together. It's healing, it's cleansing. Yeah, and now Hollywood history. But how, seriously, how did the LCAAs really come together? LCAAs. LC, LC? I'll change it to what you say, Nick. LCAAs, it says LCAAs.

LCAAs. That's a typo on my part, I apologize. Lost Culture, Eastest Culture Awards. Mary said, you set me up. I'm so sorry. You're right, well yeah, if I look at the me up. I'm so sorry. You're right. Well, yeah, if I look at the actual word, LCCAs. No, no, no.

LCCAs, I apologize profusely. It was LCCAs, now it's hashtag the culture awards 2025 because Bravo's like, we really have to make it clear for people what it is. And I'm like, okay, we'll meet in the middle. So maybe it's what you're saying. Okay, so the culture awards. Culture awards.

It came about as a joke a bit. Like everything Bowen and I do, like kind of everything I do, it was like, oh, that's a funny, stupid joke. And then it becomes a thing just because the way that Bowen and I kind of operate is it's like, we try to make each other laugh. And if we do, it's probably a thing even for us. So then we just kind of went on and on.

I think we literally had nothing to say about pop culture one week. Like it was like a dry week. And I was like, you know what would be stupid? If we just like announced categories that we made up and said nominees and like never did it. But like said we were gonna do an awards, but then like, so we literally did an episode

which was like, these are the nominees for the last Culture East, this culture awards. an episode which was like, these are the nominees for the Lost Culture, East Coast Culture Awards, because we're both like obsessed with awards. We think they're so funny slash stupid slash cool, whatever. We grew up as like awards kids. And then our fans were like, well, when really is the ceremony?

And then we were like, we have to cancel them on the pod. Like, it's gonna be so funny. So we got on, we're like, they're canceled. We're so sorry. Like we had it, we're like, they're canceled. We're so sorry. Like we had it. We've actually had a creative differences and we can't do it. So that was the bit. And then Lincoln center was doing like a summer concert series.

Like it was like a summer in the city thing. And they were like, we have a spot for you guys. It's like, it's a free thing. Your fans can come like it's first come first serve. Like, you know, usually like 400, 500 people will show up and someone will just It's a free thing. Your fans can come. It's first come, first serve. Usually 400, 500 people will show up and someone will just do whatever it is, like comedy, whatever.

So we're like, let's do the awards. Let's literally do the awards as if it was a thing. The yemis. Producer Lauren Mandel has worked on so many of these types of shows. She's a friend of ours. She was a writer's assistant at SNL, so she knows Bowen, everyone, all of our friends, et cetera.

And we produced it like the real thing, and like 3,000 of our podcast listeners showed up. So suddenly it was a thing, and that was four years ago. Wow. It grew every year until people were like, you should try to sell it to someone. And I'm like, okay, here we go. Hit the pitch, you know, grind.

One place wanted it, Peacock slash Bravo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only place you needed to be. Well, I guess there's like so much goodwill there because of Bowen, you know what I mean? Because of, he's obviously like, you know, he's Bowen and the star of SNL. And so I think that whenever like he's bringing

in something like, okay, let's at least seriously consider it because no one else did. They were like, yeah, thanks. We don't get it at all. But now we did it and it's everywhere. It's going to be good. It's going to be good. It's everyone from Jeff Goldblum to Paige D'Sorbo.

Yeah, the turnout was crazy. Not normal. Not normal, you guys. Is this the Oscars? Is this the Emmys? It felt more akin to like SNL 50. Yeah. Like, which I got to go to earlier in the year because I did the red carpet and stuff.

They were, that was very cool of them to ask me to do that. And just being there that night and, you know, I did the red carpet and stuff. That was very cool of them to ask me to do that. And just being there that night. And you know, Bo and Yang is obviously my best friend now going over, I don't know, like 14 years. And we went to college together. And to see him up there with these legends and just be a part of that.

It felt more like that than it did anything else. Because I'm looking out, the crazy part is like, you know, you're producing and hosting the award show and you go out and you see like the seat cards. You know how it's like this, all the celebrity, there are headshots on the seat cards. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, this is the stupidest shit I've ever seen.

It was like literally the entire cast of The Salt Lake Housewives sitting behind Jamie Lee Curtis. It was absurd. Well, you know what, people just like want to have fun with it and it's an award show. And I think some of the, you know, the legacy ones have gotten a little stuffy or problematic or just all of the above. It's time to flatten it, I think. You know what I mean? I feel like people, and it's weird, I do think what you're seeing across the board is people being like, no, we don't wanna do things

the way they used to be or have always done. It's not working for us. You know what I mean? You see it in politics, you see it in entertainment, you see it everywhere. It's just people being like, I'm sorry, but you don't make the decisions for us anymore about what's like the mainstream thing

we're supposed to be watching, doing, whatever. Or how we consume our content. Right, exactly. I mean, what was wild was, you know, Jake Shane was in the show who obviously popped off so on his own, like on the internet and stuff. And then you also have like, you know, someone like Sarah Michelle Geller

in the show who in the 90s was like monoculture. And you know what I mean? So it's so many of these different things that are equally important. And I think that one thing that our podcast does is it treats, I guess, high and low culture the same. I was just about to ask you that. So that's, I think think that we can all,

we can all benefit from it. Because I feel like I've heard the, you know, kind of gripe from some of these maybe A-list celebrities kind of being like, what are these influencers doing at this event or this award show or this? And so it's like to have everyone there and everyone respect everyone for what they do

is really cool. 100%. I mean, I've always thought the funniest thing in the world to me is people who take themselves super seriously. Yeah. I'm like that is so cute. Like when you come in and and I think and like you guys probably know because you guys have now been around like like the more you get in the entertainment industry, the more you realize people don't necessarily have that good of a sense of humor about themselves,

especially when it comes to like being given accolades or you know, like award show stuff. Like when I was growing up, like I just thought, oh, the Oscars, the Emmys, of course, like you want one if you want to be in the entertainment industry, but you do at a certain point, like it is just an honor to be nominated, just fun, like it's a show.

Nah, people are so intense about it. So if this can help people be like, listen, let's lower the stakes, because that's my whole thing across the board is like, let's, we need to have fun. We need to lower the stakes. You can't lose sight of the stakes. Cause that's my whole thing across the board is like, we need to have fun. We need to lower the stakes. You can't lose sight of the fun.

What are some of like your categories? It's like best Batman woman. Love. Love. Love. Any great speeches we can look forward to? You know what? It's like, I can't ruin it,

but like if you look on the internet and see who was on the carpet, like those are clues as to who might be giving speeches. There are some moments, two things I can say is, we gave Lifetime Achievement Award tributes to Keenan Thompson and Allison Janney. And those were like, I'm really looking forward to people seeing those.

Like across the board, the musical performances were amazing. We had everyone from like Ben Platt to like Jensen McCray. You know what I mean? So it covered a spectrum. So like what was the reasoning for not inviting Nick and I? Just out of curiosity. First of all, I literally-

We have everyone, like from here to there. I actually even said, I was like, we probably need, you guys weren't invited? No. That's actually crazy. In fairness, we were booked and busy last night. Okay, okay. Well, that makes me feel better.

At a Netflix event. But we would definitely would have rather gone to yours. Okay, well you know what? Literally, first or second row seats at the show next year. God willing, we do it. And if they can't go, producers are way more than willing to step in. Just cover it.

Matt, this is Mary. We met. She is your biggest fan. I love Mary. And would quit this job to work for you. Yeah. Can I tell you though, I love the HQ. This is a setup, because I mean,

you guys are seeing what's going on in here, which is stunning, but there's a whole HQ out there. Oh yes. It's our HQ, and no one's sleeping with each other. You know what? Keep it going. Unlike our astronomer. Can you invite them next year? Can we make an award for that?

Anyone can have a seat. Trust me, anything is in play. When I'm telling you what we got away with, anything is in play. Best kiss cam reveal. They could have done anything else and it would have been better than that reaction. You know what's crazy is, and this is another thing,

it's like you really get into the minds of publicists and what they think is the good idea. Like booking this show and dealing with like talent's publicists, it's like a publicist advised you. We're talking obviously about the CEO that the affair was, that's what that affair was revealed. He either popped off by himself or worse,

a publicist advised him to like blame it on Coldplay. Crazy, shutting down his Lincoln. He's like, it's a shame that a private moment was made public by, it's like, sir. It was a shame that you had an affair. You took your private affair to a public place. Also it's like, sorry. It was a kiss cam. It's a shame that you had an affair. You took your private affair to a public place. Also, it's like, you clearly have coin. You have great seats.

You are watching the kiss cam happen and embracing your, you're on the butt of someone who you shouldn't be. She's under her gay char department. That, it gets better. And then the woman, there's a woman who was She's in the HR department. Come on. That's better. And then the woman, there's a woman who was like blush in the face to the right was like,

she was also in HR. So the whole HR department's in on this affair. It's like, I'm not taking anything HR says to me seriously ever again. You know what's funny? She ruined it for everyone. You literally saw all the fear responses. You saw flight, fight, and freeze.

So, freeze? And freeze. Stop, drop, and roll. You saw him hit the ground and probably like already run. Army crisis. He literally fell. You saw her pure devastation and you saw just his mama on the side like frozen like, well,

I don't know what they thought. Honestly, it's a group, I would say it's net positive for her. Yes. My girl on the right is the real star. She didn't do anything wrong. No, she stopped, dropped it. I mean, no, he stopped, dropped and rolled and she was just like, we're gonna burn.

We don't think they're gonna come on the show but we have followed them on LinkedIn and sent them in. Did they reactivate? They deactivated their LinkedIn because they got scared. That's my favorite detail. She did. It's the deactivation of LinkedIn. His wife did remove his last name from her Facebook page.

And she's, have you seen a picture of her? What, no. Hot. Hot. See, that's the thing is it's like, and that's what's, it's never about any of that. It's just when you're that type of guy, like pushing to see what you can get away with. And it's so gross.

And then, and then for the audacity to be like, fuck Coldplay. Like you weren't just vibing to fix you. You know what I'm saying? You were just absolutely dropping it to clocks. And now you're like, fuck Coldplay. Everything was yellow two seconds ago. Two seconds ago and now it's red.

Unbelievable. But also the fact that like, it's just, I always say current events are happening as we speak. Like the fact that that was happening at the same time as them like canceling Colbert. Yeah. Like it's so fucked. And I found out on the red carpet at the same time as them like canceling Colbert. Yeah. Like it's so fucked. And then I found out on the red carpet

at the culture awards. They're like, so your reaction, obviously you know, you react to pop culture, your reaction to Colbert being canceled. I'm like, what? I was like, you mean- Not even Colbert, just the whole late show. All late night.

Yeah, the late show in general. Yes. It's a, that was a dark day. What do you think that means for late night, yeah, the late show in general, yes. It's a, that was a dark day. What do you think that means for late night in general? Do you think this is like the first domino? I think that I don't put it past any corporate entity at this point to just do what's best for their bottom line.

It's so scary. And it's also just like, you know, what you and Bowen are doing, what we do here. It's just like, I think we're creating shows that kind of have a similar vibe, but it's on demand kind of whenever you want to, and each person can kind of find their home, right? Like their place they want to hang out with their friends.

And it's like, we have such like a lonely world that I think when people are tuning in to you guys, they're hanging out with their friends when they tune into this show, it's the same vibe. And I think that was just like, it's a different vibe than late night television that kind of like you said, like hasn't really kept up with the times.

And I just wondering if- It's hard to like, it's hard to do that when people can get the same kind of emotional, like little serotonin boost that they would have ordinarily gotten from, it's like the death of monoculture, you know what I mean? Like you don't have to go to the cinema anymore to see really quality, high grade stuff

because you can watch it on TV. It is on, if you're looking for something that's just to snack on entertainment wise, it is on your phone. It's just kind of a harsh reality of where the industry has gone. And I just hope that there can be some way to maintain both because late night is, it's important.

You know what I mean? It is American culture too. And it's also British culture. I mean, they've always done it's important. You know what I mean? It is American culture too. It's also British culture. I mean, they've always done it the best. But the late show ending is like, that's beyond the end of the era. I was always a late show guy. I was always David Letterman.

Letterman was it. Letterman was it. Letterman defined what it was to make that comedy forward. It was a reference. Yes, yes, always, always. And now, you know what's funny is like, you remember a few years ago, Quibi. Yeah, there are three days.

Yeah. I had a show on Quibi that was like one of the launch of it. It was called Game Show, and it was spelled G-A-Y-M-E Show. We took two straight men and we put them to the test, emotional, physical, spiritual, and artistic challenges to see which one could be named honorarily gay as fucking Reina's queen of the straights. You would have been an amazing contestant.

I would have crushed. You would have been amazing. I would have. My baby would have won first. Yeah. That means you got a good one. I really want to say. I mean, I've been an honoree.

You are my favorite Bachelor. Oh really? Yes, without a doubt. And listen, I was in Bachelor Nation for like a three year period, which was like the youth through like, I guess it was like you through Ari, because he lost me.

But I watched you and then I loved Rachel and then like, you know, through that whole area. And then I was like, Ari Leyendeck Jr. doing that to her on television. I was like, I can't be a part of this. Is this too messy? No. Why can't we just talk about it?

I know. She was just like, are you actually doing this to me on television? And the answer was a hard yes. She'd go around the corner, he's there. No, yeah. Also like the karma that he got on Traders just, but regardless, like the karma that he got on Traders just, mwah. But regardless, like, yeah, I mean, it's all just collapsing in on itself.

You know what I'm saying? Speaking of Traders, what do... They asked. Yeah. I just, I not, I have respect for you, dude. I am not comfortable allowing them to edit me. Yeah. You know what I mean?

No, I know, yeah. It's, I... I mean, I... Did they ask? Yeah. You said no I mean? No, I know, yeah. It's, I mean, I- Did they ask? Yeah. You said no. I wanted to, I guess I couldn't make it work with- I think you'd-

I was booked and busy. Sure, which is like, you know, always the good thing, but like, I think you'd be great. I think I'd be great. You would be great. Do you consider yourself to be perceptive? Yeah. Yeah. It's like a primate best skill.

You would be a faithful. Yeah, I would want to be a faithful. You'd want to be a faithful. Yeah, and then I would figure out who the traders are and be their best friend. Well, yeah. Until the end. See, isn't it funny, like whenever I'm watching Survivor,

I'm like, oh, well I would just play an amazing social hero. Literally. Like, well, I would be incredible because- I'm like, oh, I would just be like faster than them. Yeah, I'd find the Yeah, the idol. I know he's not he's not diving off that huge board correctly. I would do it better I would run up a ramp and dive into the ocean way better than a Goose over here Absolutely can

Traders feels like one of the few shows where like, I don't feel like they really are fucking with people's edits all that much. Well, you know, I actually, I was talking to Dylan. Dylan was at the, Ephraim was at the show last night too. He's by the way, the best. Just the best vibe ever. The nicest, hottest guy ever.

A total 10. And like, I think it's just gonna keep going because what's not to love. But we were at, we were actually in Cannes together last month for the Cannes Lion thing. No, I saw pictures of you guys. Crazy shit. That was kind of jealous.

No, you should have, oh, that would have been so fun. But like, it was like, I told him, I was like, you know, they had reached out to Bowen and I initially about season three or something, day two or three, the one Crichelle was on. And we were like, I was like, I just don't, I don't know if I can like say yes, because I know the villain that I would get.

I'm too easy to cut into like, they don't. If you too easy. Sn into like- They don't- Snark. I'm too easy to cut. Snark is not your friend in reality. No, and that's the thing is just like- Or sarcasm. And I will just give them so many clips

that they can put together to be like this bitch. And also I know what would have happened had they put Bowen and I on the same season, which is 100% one of us would have been the traitor and one of us would have been the faithful and one of us would have been faithful and like. We can't have that. That would have gotten so sad. I mean, so I think we'll just continue to be fans.

Okay. Wait, what are your thoughts on Meredith Marks being a DJ? So she was our DJ last night. Stop. Stop. Melissa, my best friend is here and like she's literally in the corner screaming

because you asked that question, she was our DJ last night. Stop! Yeah. What are my thoughts on her being a DJ? I mean, I think- I'm obsessed! To infinity and beyond.

I think, I think let's go. What do you feel like it's doing for her hearing? Wow, I hadn't considered her hearing. Well, you know. Nor has she. Nor has she. Well, you know. Nor has she. So, wait, correct me if I'm wrong. It's both her ears, right?

I believe she has both hearing aids. She has hearing aids because with it, and that like the girl's couch, she was like, we're talking about disabilities. Yeah. I think, you know what it is, maybe because she can control all the aspects of the volume, we're okay.

Okay. Was it like really quiet last night? Was everyone like? I mean, she was definitely more a DJ in name only, but she, I mean, one of the funniest moments was, again, not spoiling, but we're off to the side, me, Bowen, and Andy Cohen. And Andy just looks up and he's like, is that Meredith in like the balcony

in front of a DJ thing? I was like, yeah, it's the culture awards. We put Meredith in the DJ booth. We sure did. That's sort of what happened. And he was like a little jealous. I think, you know, he was, well, you'll see what happens at the top of the show, but my thoughts are,

my thoughts are whatever Meredith Marks wants to pursue, she should pursue. Have you seen her on Next Gen at all? Okay, so I, no, I can't really do Next Gen. Same. Because I, and I'm on, I'm public about this and have been for a while. I have an allergy to the Judaices.

I can't do it. Like, I'm't do it. Like I'm not- Do you like break out in hives? No, what it is is I'm just like, ugh. Like I just, it just feels- At this point it feels like sweaty to me. You know what I mean?

It's kind of just like, it's just, it's not. I miss some more authenticity in it. Like it's crazy that everyone always thinks that Melissa and Joe are the ones like putting it on because I think it's the opposite. I find it to be the opposite. And I'd rather watch their life than the Judas' life. That's like my Bravo hot take that I'll still,

the hill I'll still die on is, I think if you love Teresa, you'll love Teresa on her own show. You know what I mean? Like, I think the Jewdices should be a thing. New Jersey Housewives, it's a shame that we can't have it anymore because, and it is her not playing ball.

Yeah, Teresa won't let it happen. No. She also won't move on either. So it's like we're doing the same storyline for seven years. Yeah, right. And I'm not saying like kick them off television. I get, like I'm an OG Jersey fan. Like I root for Teresa.

I just can't watch her on this ensemble. And with Gia, I just feel like when she got old enough to sort of become a player on Jersey, I was like, this doesn't feel right to me. And so I'm not like following her over. It was always weird to have like all of the women at a dinner table and also Gia. It was like, oh.

Right, I was like, and it felt manipulative. You know what I mean? I was like, cause Theresa's whole thing is always like, you can't talk to my daughter. You can't talk about my daughter, don't do that. It's like, yeah, but you're, she's very willingly a participant in this and clearly a paid in some way.

If you're in a confessional on a full beat, you know what I mean? Like you can't then be like, she's not in play. Like she's a chessboard, she's the rook. You know what I mean? Like it's like, my girl's the rook. And a powerful piece on the board. Like, cause when Gia comes in and is like yelling,

what are Melissa and Joe supposed to do? So that felt to me manipulative. What do you think Jen Shaw and Elizabeth Holmes talk about in prison? We're all domination. I have to say, I gotta say. Elizabeth's like, can I, I got a project for you, why don't you get down on the ground up.

Who's pitching who, actually? I think it depends on the topic. I think if it's the world of tech. Okay. Maybe they're trading. Maybe they're learning from each other. You know what I mean? Maybe Jen Cha is on the ground like, all right.

Blood. I have a way to draw blood and create and clone people. She's like, I have the perfect demographic we can go after. She's like, you're not going to believe what these people believe. Do you think they have nicknames for each other? Oh my god.

I hope they just call each other like Shaw and Holmes. Or like, can't wait to find out like, by the way, it is like when people do awful, awful things, obviously, like, yeah, you go to prison, but like, God, you see those photos of them. It's like, that's sad. It kind of looks fun. What, them running the track?

Nick was a track star. It's not giving Shawshank. I was too. I'm just saying, what'd you run? I was actually like middle distance to distance. What was your event? 800 and 400. So I was in the four by four

and I did the eight, but my thing was the 16. Okay. Nick was the state champion of Wisconsin. You're fucking kidding. She likes to tell people that. You were. What was, what were your times?

151. 151, 800, dude? That's crazy. Like 47 and the 400. What? That was good. Yeah. I ran a 53 and thought I was a king. That was my first lap of the 800. Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah. I ran a 53 and thought I was a king.

That was my first lap of the 800. Yeah. What? Yeah. You're fast. I was. My mile time was 436. And I thought,

he's one of the rare people to not be like, what? Yeah. I ran a 416 once. Nick tries to race like 13 year olds. So to see if he still caught him. Did that once. So do you still tear it up on the track? Like, no.

No. No, we went into your like high school track and what did you run? Three summers ago, I ran a 530 mile. As of like two years ago, a year and a half ago, I'm like more on my fitness shit because I'm 35 now. So I started with a personal trainer like last year and he goes, yeah, dude, it's really great

that you get in here now, cause 35 that's when your metabolism is never the same. And by 40, you actually like have no chance if you want to start. And I was just like, uh, paralyzed. I'm like fresh 35. And I'm like, well. Have you pretty much been the same weight most of your adulthood? Well, as a result of the last month I'm like fresh 35 and I'm like, well.

Have you pretty much been the same weight most of your adulthood? Well, as a result of the last month during the college awards, literally, I get on this, I was at one of those hotels in downtown LA where they have this scale. I was like, let's just see. I've been stressed out, not eating.

I've lost 14 pounds in the past like six weeks. Oh my God. Because of like stress. So I'm clocking in at 166 today, but I'm usually past like six weeks. Oh my God. Because of like stress. So I'm clocking in at 166 today, but I'm usually around like a 180. Snatched. Yeah, but right now it's cuckoo. But like I-

You're gonna be fine when you turn 40. See, I'll be all right. But I, last year I became like a Barry's bootcamp addict in like a not good way. Oh. Because it's hard. Do you do Barry's? No. Do it once., you do berries? No.

Do the ones. I can't wait for someone to yell at me. It's a great workout. See, I need someone to be like, you need to do this this way to this song. Yeah. In this lighting. I do, that's why I'm an official honoree,

like I get excited. See, there we go. That's what I'm saying, it's like, what they'll whip out sometimes in the playlist, I'm like, what? Sometimes I'll- And then you're on the treadmill and you look in the mirror and you're just like, yeah. No, shout out to Kyle K and like in,

he's in Studio City most of the time now, but he's become a friend. He's like an iconic various trainer. Sometimes he'll play a song and I'll literally just stop. I'll just get on the sides and I'll stop and I'll just look at him like, you're a bitch. You're a diabolical genius. Like what just gets whipped out,

like a bootylicious remix that like should never exist because it's gonna make people too happy. You know what I mean? Like too much. But the thing about that is it's like, I was doing it six times a week. Which is fucking stupid. Cause I reconnected with my cardio.

You know what I mean? Like that went away in my 20s. Then I was like doing buries and like reconnecting with like running. And I was like, oh, I love this. I'm good at this. But the thing is like when you're on the treadmill, off the treadmill, on the floor,

back, back, back, back, you're just like, you can hurt yourself if you push it. No, it's definitely hurting your body. Yeah. So now I got a trainer and it's changed my whole, the way that I feel after the workouts. So that's good. As much as I love this conversation. Do you find?

You find out it's a cut. Do you think Phaedra started the rumor about Angela and Charles Oakley? See, y'all are, see, you know what's funny is it's like I get in so much trouble online for just saying the truth, which is yeah. You don't think she's learned her lesson? You know what, she was on the view the other day being pretty convincing that she didn't. She also said she was running for president.

I did see that. Did you see that? I did not see that. Well, what Phaedra Parks is truly passionate about is politics. I know. With her legal background? First of all, when Whoopi Goldberg said, please welcome Phaedra Parks, I was like, what? This is the flattening of culture that we hate. I was like, okay.

So then she comes out, they're having a conversation. She's like, I think definitely I will run for office. And I was like, you made up that someone tried to **** someone else on television. So I don't know. Then again, nowadays, who the fuck knows? I don't know, I think the bar's been set. That's what I'm saying.

So it's just like, you never know, but like, I mean, I wouldn't put anything past her. I mean, she's an incredibly powerful personality. She is. What about Brady not coming to the reunion? Yeah, it feels right. Because it's like, it's like, what are you gonna say? Yeah.

You know, like at that point it's like, the whole thing was really ugly. It was so messy. I gotta say with Housewives, I need to read saying something in four languages. Yeah. I don't need felony crimes. Like unless it's Salt Lake City,

which is essentially like a true crime documentary. Yeah. Like I don't need felony crimes. Like unless it's Salt Lake City, which is essentially like a true crime documentary. Yeah. Like I don't need felony crimes. The four episodes later she'd be like, and it wasn't even me. It was like, whoa, wait a second. Yeah, no, the lies, the deceit, the trickery and more. The trickery.

It's no, Atlanta's kind of, I mean, I think that they've done the right thing by bringing back Phaedra if Candy's not gonna be there and Portia obviously is one of the greats. I think when Portia is good, she is the best. So good. I think she's gonna crush on Traders. Period.

Well, if nothing, and you know who else I'm so excited to be back on the TV screens? Candice Tiller Bassett. Candice Tiller Bassett is, that's my girl. That's my girl. Like, I think she's gonna tear. Or be so wrong every time. You know what I mean?

She's gonna be, literally. But she's so good on TV. I think they made a mistake on Potomac getting rid of her. I really do. But, you know, whatever. Gisele's running the show over there, so. As long as they keep letting Giselle produce that show, it's gonna be what it is.

What is your take on like bloggers in the Real Housewives? I mean, obviously it's always been around. Do you feel like it's essential for the plot, or do you feel like we could lose it? I don't like it. I wanna see them, like I was talking to the Salt Lake City Housewives last night, and one of them, I won't say which, did spoil for me something that happens.

And I'm like, see, this is why you guys are the best. Yeah. It's because they're making fun of each other and picking on each other for like personal little stupid things. It's like you forget that show started with Maryam Cosby telling Jen Shaw, you smell like hospital. Yes. So true. This is what we need more. We need way more, you smell like hospital

and way less, I'm not talking to her because I'm the OG and this like, you know, zoomed out ego bullshit. Because, you know, we need the passing of the ball. Yeah, that's what we need. And Salt Lake does that the best and Miami does that. Miami's good. Are you watching Miami this season? Love. I'm a little behind just because we've been so underwater.

But the last episode I saw Lisa was storming out of a lunch tearfully. Yes. Yeah. yeah, yeah. Did you see the fight between Julia and Gertie? Yeah, I can't believe what's gone on with Julia. I'm actually shocked and towards Gertie of all people. It's really bizarre, especially at this stage in Gertie's life to act this way. But I think that Julia and Martina are way crazier

than people can ever really truly understand. Sometimes gay people can be evil. Oh no, 100%, 100%, can confirm. Can confirm. Like, as I look you in the eyes. Yes. No, like, no, yeah, like that's the thing. It's like, we're not always heroes.

See me if they put me on Traders. See me on the show, yeah. Yeah, but that's my, I just feel like we need ensemble comedy, you know? That's what I need from Housewives. I need ensemble comedy. I need The Office, but with these women. Yeah, it's like the Valley.

It's like we were watching it, it's just gotten, it's like, I don't think though, this is a game of people trying to ruin each other's lives. That's the thing, that's the thing is it's like it Can't be that yeah, if it is that deep Like it's just not fun. And I did did the ratings go way down for the Give me fighting over an Instagram post, you know hundred percent It's like like you put like you edited yourself and not me, you know? Like you face-tuned yourself and not me.

It's like, you picked a photo that you look best. It's like one time I. 100%. Like I wasn't tagged in something and we're gonna fight about it for seven months. You didn't collab with me? No, it's my sister posting a picture of all of us at Thanksgiving one year and face-tuning herself,

which then stretched me out beside her. And I looked 900 pounds. You only thought of yourself when you face tuned, period. Period. Like that to me is a whole season. Episodes called face tuned. Yeah, 100%. And all the best episodes are of Any Housewives

is when everyone is hitting. Like there was an episode of Miami, I think it was two seasons ago, where they're like, they're like eating dinner on the beach and Adriana DeMora is just on 10. She's just talking about her broken foot. It was when she had her broken foot. Her broken, in quotes, broken foot.

I could have smashed my foot into a million pieces. Like, like everything going on, like Kiki peeing on the beach, like, someone just randomly tackling someone else, and that being how it happened with Adriana, coming in in the wheelchair the next day, being ruled by Julia. The best moment of the whole episode, and I miss Dr. Nicole on this season so much,

but I think she'll be back, was when the women are all talking and I think they're getting ready to go to lunch. And Julia's rolling Adriana in, who's in a foot cast that they've made. Yeah, a wrap. And you just see Dr. Nicole literally turns, sees Mama come in in the wheelchair,

and just goes, pfft! and just like goes to cover her laugh because, and I've asked some of this, and I'm like, when things are happening like this, do you know it's gold? And they're like, I mean, kinda, but like, you gotta stay in it. You know what I mean? It's like, you gotta keep your splits on the same time.

It's like, you gotta keep your clip. Are you watching, did you watch the OC premiere? Or did you not? Haven't yet seen the OC premiere. It's like, you gotta keep your clip. Did you watch the OC premiere? Or did you not? Haven't yet seen the OC premiere. It's good. Is it good? It's good. See, OC has been so back.

Sometimes the first episodes of the season's like, okay, you're gonna, they have to warm up. Yeah. But I felt like OC really came out of the gates strong. So Katie Janela is the villain this season? Is that what it's giving? Yeah. She's like, I'm best friends with vloggers. She's like, best friend of vloggers and like,

she's like inviting me to their wedding. She's like inviting me to their wedding. Like, as if like she can't not go. You know, I was actually kind of team Katie at the end of the reunion. Same, same. Last year, because I thought Heather Dubrow went too hard.

Way too hard. And I'm like, I'm a Heather Dubrow fan. She again, is just like the epitome of the type of person whose life I wanna watch on television. She's so good at being rich. She's expert at being rich. Expert, and so is Terry.

Yeah. And them together, that is, you know, it's just great. Yeah, I want more of that. I don't want housewives not being able to pay rent. Yeah, yeah, the tax fraud is, and also, what is this? Or their partner is part of some sort of dodger scam. 100%, yeah, no, no, no. Allegedly.

It's so crazy because sometimes it's like, okay, so you just see a man for one second on television and you're like, what crime is it? Criminal, yeah. How long are you going away and when? Like, should we expedite it? Like, is your wife putting you on television so that you can go to jail?

So that she can get out of this? It's best case it's white collar or there's bodies. Like it's somewhere, yeah. How often do you think these women go on television or it's a like Kelsey Grammer situation where he's like, yeah, you should do this show. So they have like an out. Like how many marriages are using this as an excuse

consciously or subconsciously? What do we think? 79%? I feel like it has to be more than not. You know, like. Yeah. Then I'm trying to think of who. Or like how many healthy relationships, how many single housewives there are.

Healthy relationships? That's why I'm like, who do we have? I think if your husband's a character on the show, if your husband's also like a diva housewife, you're good. Joe Gorgra vibes. Yeah, yeah. I think that they will be very much to eacha housewife, you're good. But if he's- Joe Gorgra vibes. Yeah, yeah. I think that they will be very much to each other. Harry Hamlin.

Oh, Harry Hamlin. Yes, yeah. A 10. Yeah, they're good. So this is my favorite story. My best friend Jared was hiking in Studio City. There's like, there's certain trails up there. I forget what they're called.

Freiman? Yes, Freiman. And he hiked past Harry Hamlin. in Studio City, there's certain trails up there, I forget what they're called. Fryman? Yes, Fryman. And he hiked past Harry Hamlin, and Harry, they both had dogs, and so the dogs were meeting or whatever, and Jared, my best friend, just goes to him, congrats on the sauce.

At the Bolognese. And he was like, thank you so much. You know what I mean? Like getting being like told like that instead of his like many contributions to. Sexiest man alive once. And deservedly so. Also so good on like mad men. Yes.

Like, you know what I mean? Like so legit and congrats on the sauce. That is the flattening of culture. Support the husband. Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's more, we need more of that. We need way more. What do you feel like was the cultural impact

of Lisa Rinna's M&M? I think that it's a multiple nominee at the culture awards. Thank you. That's what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say it's actually the Lisa Rinna M&M is up against Paige Disorbo for the Alison Williams Cool Girl Award, and you're going to have to tune in to find out.

I feel really strongly that I love Paige Disorbo and I loved her little, like, she even pulled a Dorit hat at the Culture Awards red carpet. The look that Paige Disorbo pulled at the Culture Awards, that was maybe my proudest moment. It was such a Dorit hat. I, Bowen and I created an event where Paige crushed.

Paige crushed. I always say, well, I used to call them the JFK and Jackie of Bravo. And they are. Wow. Now she's just Jacqueline Onassis. Yeah, it's got its move. Yeah. She's in her Onassis Onassis. Yeah, it's got its move. Yeah. She's in her own Onassis era, bitch.

I know. She looked so hot. She's truly just effortless. I did her like on Amazon, like you get in bed with her show. It was on my video. We had never met. I get in, like I'm for some reason bleach blonde

and had like a crazy tan, crisis era, I'm sure. Crash out. But I was like, hi, and she goes, I feel like we already know each other, but we haven't met. I was like, no, yeah. Because we're both like tri-state area down. You know what I mean?

You have the club membership. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're both, we probably are cousins. Yes. Despite me not being Italian at all. I can see it. You can pull it off though. I've always, I'm from Long Island, cousins despite me not being Italian at all. I can see it. You can pull it off though.

I've always, I'm from Long Island, so I get Italian a lot, but I'm actually like, my mom's Greek. So that's what it is. The way you said it, like a disappointment. My mom's Greek. Well, no, actually so, well, the drama is when I did the 23 and Me. Oh no.

So I spit in the damn tube, send it in, think this is gonna be great. I bet I'm gonna find out something really cool. Can't wait to find out. I'm even more Greek than I've ever thought. Comes back full on Turkish. I said, thank God my grandmother is dead. She loved being Greek.

She loved it. She told everyone. I remember when we were little, she took me to see my big fat Greek wedding. She was like, this is my life. This is my culture. She passes by, we find out, not a drop. I thought I was 100% Polish.

Turns out there was some Swedish in there, some Jewish in there, no Polish. Yeah, so honestly, it's kind of like, I was like, maybe I'll find out something crazy. Like I wanted so badly to go to Bowen and be like, guess who's 1.6% Asian? Didn't happen. Just more Turkish than Greek.

How did you, you mentioned you and Bowen met in college. Yeah. How, like, do you remember the day? I remember the moment. It's weird. Like I remember pretty much all my close friends. It's a bizarre thing where I have like a photographic thing. Like Bowen and I, it was freshman year,

and I was on, I was very, very closeted my freshman year at NYU. Even my whole first year at NYU, which was like, you know, dripping in gay guys. And New York City was somewhere I was so excited to go because I thought, you know, even just coming from Long Island, like I'll be able to be more myself, etc. But a girl from my high school also got into NYU. And so I remember being really scared, like, oh, if I come out,

she's gonna go back and tell everybody. And so I remained closeted my whole freshman year. So this girl on my floor was like, I'm going to go to the improv show. My friend Bowen is in the improv group. And it wasn't the impression we're gonna go to the sketch show. But my friend Bowen who is going to come he's in the improv group and I usually you guys should meet. So I remember coming around the elevator bank and standing there waiting for us was Bowen Yang. And I remember we looked at each other and sort of it was like that thing of like,

you know that scene when Pocahontas sees John Smith? And it's like, we saw each other and we're like, what is this? The wind is swirling. And it was just kind of like, okay. Were you John Smith or Pocahontas? I think I'm gonna responsibly say I was John Smith. Okay.

Okay. Even though I do think Pocahontas in that scene is so gorgeous, you know what I mean? The way they drew her hair, period. Disney, you ate that. Um, so, like, we had this weird thing because he was also closeted at the time and pretending to have a crush on this girl

who had invited me to the show. So we go to the sketch comedy show, and I'm literally there, and I'm watching it. And Rachel Bloom is in the group and it ended up being Hammercats, which was the sketch group that I joined and then became the director of. But Bowen was the gay in the improv group and I was the gay in the sketch comedy group at NYU. And so because when we eventually came out, like after I made the group,

which, by the way, I don't tell the story a lot, but I auditioned for the improv group and Bowen came over and was like, we're so excited you're auditioning, like we hear you're really funny. And they cut me first round. And so then I made the sketch group and I was like, you cut me, bitch.

And he was like, I'm sorry, like it wasn't me, it was the girls, like it was them. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds like a Love Island cast. Literally. I was like, I'm sorry, like it wasn't me, it was the girls, like it was them. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That sounds like a Love Island cast. Literally. I was like, Bowen Gang. Sorry, it's not personal.

No, no. I was like, okay. And so then I'm the gay in the sketch group, he's the gay in the improv group. And so all the, you know, like straight people in the group were like, you know, be best friends, like do it. You know what I mean? Like perform for us.

Like aren't you gay or aren't you gay? It's like when you're the two gays at a wedding and everyone there is like, you guys should fuck. It's like, well damn. So then like, we were like, kind of like resentful. Like, I'm not gonna be friends with him just because we're gay, like no. And then almost instantaneously,

like I think we were both like, I don't know. At the same like comedy party, like off book to You Belong With Me by Taylor Swift, like jumping around and being like, we're best friends, huh? And so then boom, you know what I mean? Like we were just like, we have a weird thing where it's like, I feel like he's like my twin

that was born on a different day than me in a different part of the world. Like we have a very, very, very symbiotic energy. Like he's just like, he's like a soulmate of mine. And it like, it was years of just being friends and we started another like sketch group together in New York. Like we were truly just like waiting tables.

He was a graphic designer. He was the graphic designer in house for one Kings Lane. Yeah, and then I was waiting tables in the financial district and working five days a week with the gnarliest five eyebrows. It just was so, I've saw these men run our banks and then come in for lunch and get tanked and go back to work and just like. There goes my money.

Yeah, brah rah. Yeah. And so like I'm grinding, grinding, grinding. And then we decided to start the podcast in 2016, just independent, no expectations. It was, that's why it's called Lost Culture Recess because it's so stupid. We never thought anyone would listen.

It was a joke. Like just got a bunch of our friends to come on and be at the, I don't think so honey bit was like, we have to do something. And one joke we would do is whenever anyone was being stupid, we would just go, I don't think so honey, no sweetie. Like, and I was like, I guess that'll be the bit.

And like, it'll be a 60 second rant like every other podcast in the goddamn world. Isn't it funny though, when you're like, if I knew this was gonna be a thing, I'd know if I don't want it. I wouldn't have named it this. No. Like the Vile Files. Like I would've given it more thought.

No, the Vial Files is a great name. It, you know. No, it's so good. Thank you, but, yeah. And also it tells people forever how to pronounce it. Well. You know what I mean? Cause there's so many- Well, well, well. People come in here and they're like the Vial Files.

No, they're not. What's your, how do you pronounce your last name? Vial. Vial. Vial. Vial. V, they're not. What's your, how do you pronounce your last name? Vile. Vile. Vile. Vile. Vile. That's not vile, it says vile.

Vile. Yep. Vile vile. Exactly. See, it sucks. Exactly. It doesn't suck at all. It's iconic, cause you know what?

We're talking about it. It's true. But like, yeah, no, then the podcast like gained the momentum over time, like truly word of mouth. And then, yeah. Well. It's true. But like, yeah, no, then the podcast like gained the momentum over time, like truly word of mouth. And then, yeah. Well, it's amazing. We all love it.

And we love you guys and love you. This is the best. I can't, is it over? We can keep going. No, I was just, I was like- I just wanna be respectful of your time. No, wait, what time is it? 11.45.

Oh, do we have to go? I have like 15 more minutes. He's like, stop me. Unless you guys are like, get the fuck out. We do wanna do some content with you. 11 45. Oh, do we have to go? I have like 15 more minutes You guys are like get the fuck out. We do want to do some content with you. That's what the tooth content What did you say oh Shit, so we started to do that. I'm a big Melissa that's my bestie over there like like literally like puts me in clothes and like tells me to do TikToks and at multi-mails. That's a good friend.

That's a really good friend. And also, wait, Melissa, you gotta show them the Octo. Get your phone. So this is my, this is, you know the back of the phone. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. This is literally, you're never gonna be the same. Do you see this? Everyone, this is a is literally, you're never gonna be the same. Do you wanna crouch down? Do you see this?

Everyone, this is a visual medium. Out of the way of the camera. Okay. So, this like thing. Yeah, it's stick. Yeah, to windows. Oh, god. Oh, fuck.

To windows, like. Not on this phone, but. To windows, it'll be crazy, and you could do the craziest fit checks and TikTokstoks like and get the best lighting best lighting ever I'm just saying like this thing. What was it $8 on Amazon? I have to trade mine out like I have to only put it on if I know I'm gonna do like shoot because it gets So gross to me. I found a new one. What is it? Are you on now? No, no, no.

By the way, you at the desk is so iconic. It's giving you Zanker. It's everything. Thank you so much. Jenna Bush Hager. I'm honored. No, it's a little thing that's round and it has like the suction cup thing, but it's not sticky.

And then you tighten it and you can literally put it on anything. And it has like a little magnet for the MagSafe cases. But yeah, you can literally put it on the mirror, put it on the wall, you just like suction cup it on. And then it holds and then you just twist it and it releases. No, she's turned me into a monster now

because now I'll just slap it on the mirror and just FaceTime people and I'll just like be happy. Yeah. Yeah. Just because you can. Just because you can. Just because you can. The lighting's so good right now, I have to call somebody.

I know, it's like honestly, I just got a place in New York and unfortunately for everyone in my contacts, the mirror has good lighting. And so now I'm just like, hey, like. What do you, yeah. Just wanted to check in babes. But yeah. Like why do you keep looking up to the right? It's like, I don't, I'm just like. in, babes. But yeah.

Why do you keep looking up to the right? It's like, I don't, I was just like, I'm just out of my self. It's like, cause don't you love it? But yeah, no, this is, I'm so happy you guys invited me to be here. Will you come back? Of course I'll come back.

Yeah, we'd love that. Are we gonna get another season of No Good Deeds? Oh, good job. So basically, No Good Deed was, it was the show I was on on Netflix, like it's on an indefinite pause, I think, because it was kind of written as a limited series. And then there was actually some conversation

about continuing it with some of the characters. And it did great. I loved it. Oh, thanks. By the way, you're fantastic in it. Thank you so much. Scene stealer. That's really kind. But, cause really, really what I want to be Oh, thanks. By the way, you're fantastic in it. Thank you so much. Scene stealer. That's really kind.

But, cause really, really what I wanna be doing is acting. Like that's like what I really love. And I have some stuff that's gonna come out October, November. But like, it's a bummer when, cause a lot of the stuff I've done that I've loved has only had one season. Just because of whatever reason.

It's hard. It's hard for things to get renewed. I always joke, Bowen is an expert at getting renewed and I'm a flop at getting renewed. But like, that one was just written as like a limited series. It kind of ended clean. It did.

That's where I was like, are we gonna get one? Yeah. There was one storyline that could have kept going and I think the idea was to follow the Teyana Paris's family, you know, Tifak Benley, like their family and then a new cast around them. Because when we started, everyone had a one season contract. So that's how I knew I'm like, oh, that's why I went. When you sign up for a one season contract, that's like, that's it.

Otherwise, they'd sign you in for 10. Well, whatever you're doing in October, November, we will be watching. I'll tell you after. Woo! I mean, your star's like. Yeah. You guys are the best.

Thank you so much. Really rising. It's really like so cool to be here and I'm a fan and. We're flattered. We love you. That was so much fun. That was just. Quite a delight. I always, I wanna say French kiss, We love you. Yeah. Oh, that was so much fun. That was just.

Quite a delight. I always want to say French kiss, but chef's kiss. Oh yeah. I don't want to say French kiss, but I do know what you mean. I wanted to say. Do you want a French kiss, Matt Rogers? I mean, like, you know, I don't like not want, it's fine. I don't want to talk about it.

Anyways, that wraps up our show. Thank you to all our guests, Matt Rogers, Austin Nichols, as well as Taylor Ode and James Neal. We appreciate them all and appreciate you guys listening as well. Be sure to check out all our episodes that are out there, whether it was Luke from the Valley that was on Tuesday's episode. If you are just finishing up Love Island and you're just playing catch up, we have pretty much the entire cast of Love Island on our show. Be sure to check

out all those great interviews. We will see you back next week for another jam packed exciting week. Until then, bye bye. you