The Viall Files - E974 - JaNa and Kenny Breakup, Bachelor In Paradise w/ Jonathon, RHOM w/ Guerdy Abraira, and RHOC

Starting point is 00:00:00 What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vyfiles Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by my beautiful wife, Natalie, and I am happy to report, well, I'm happy to report I'm feeling better. I manifested the flu. It wasn't the flu. You didn't have the flu. I don't know, I either had food poisoning, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:00:36 You had a 24-hour stomach bug. Last week I'm talking about wearing sweatpants, how it makes me feel like I have the flu, and literally, was it a day later, two days later? I don't know, I was up all night puking my guts out, shivering in like the sweats. And by sweats, I mean like I was just, my body was soaked in sweat.

Starting point is 00:00:56 I felt terrible. I was out for the count on Friday. It was, it sucked. Yeah, it was pretty brutal. So it like started with me, right? It sucked. Yeah, it was pretty brutal. So it started with me, right? I first, were in the car going somewhere, and I'm like, oh my God.

Starting point is 00:01:13 And I typically am one to get car sick, very on brand for me. Nellie can be a little nauseous Nellie. So sometimes we don't take her nausea that seriously. Sometimes it's like, oh, you know, so sometimes we don't take her nausea. I'm a nauseous that seriously sometimes it's like, oh, you know Like we don't really clock it, you know, we're not like oh stomach flu, right? Right. So Nick's driving You know already nauseous at the thought of it And and he's also on like a phone call through the car, right?

Starting point is 00:01:45 So he's like hands free. But, and like, if you ever heard Nick on a phone call, I mean, God bless you, you know what I'm saying? And so I'm in the car, he's driving, you know, how he drives, he's on the phone, I'm nauseous. I'm like- How I talk, how I drive. And I'm like, oh no, I don't feel very good. Like I think, nope, yep, I'm gonna puke. I'm like looking around the car, I'm like, oh no, I don't feel very good. Like I think, nope, yep, I'm gonna puke.

Starting point is 00:02:06 I'm like looking around the car, I'm like, what is there? Oh, there's a towel from when we took the dogs to the dog park. So I grabbed the towel from the back seat and I just start puking into the towel. Nick's on the phone, he's like, I gotta go, I gotta go, I gotta go. He's like, we have to pull over, where do you want?

Starting point is 00:02:22 We're on the highway and like, where the fuck are you gonna pull over? Like what is happening? He pulls off on the shoulder, I open up the car door, continue to puke. We get home and I'm like, okay, I feel like a little bit better. You know, I got all,

Starting point is 00:02:36 I didn't even have anything in my system. I was just throwing up like nothing, you know, cause I hadn't eaten breakfast or anything. So then I was throwing up vile, vile, vile. But. Vile by vile. But. But. But. Vile by vile.

Starting point is 00:02:47 Literally. Tough start of an episode for me. Yeah. And no, no, no. But it gets better. Okay. It gets better. So then, you know what?

Starting point is 00:02:56 My best friend, Chameless, was in town and it was her last night with us. And so Nick was like, oh, like, I'm gonna cook you, you know, like a good supper because it's your last night with us So he does like steak. He does homemade mashed potatoes. He does broccoli like he goes all out and we're sitting eating and then Nick's like Like really and he's like, yeah, so then he like gets up very quietly like doesn't make it a big fuss or anything, you know? And I'm like, do I need to go check on him?

Starting point is 00:03:28 So I go back there, he's like, do not go in there. I'm like, oh no, like what happened? I missed. He missed the toilet. No. Like how did you miss the toilet? I missed half the toilet. Well, so back in my track days, I just threw up a lot.

Starting point is 00:03:45 So like, I just, I'm not afraid of that, of the sensation of puking. Like, I don't love it. I'm not saying I enjoy it, but like, you know, most people are just like, aren't used to it. They'll like suffer through that big stomach pain until there's, I just go and I just go for it. Anyway, I went, I threw up.

Starting point is 00:04:01 There was a second immediate wave I was not expecting. So as my head went up, Pute came out and I split the difference of the toilet and it splashed all over the place. Awful guys, awful, awful. He comes out of the bathroom to get something to clean it with and Chambliss is like, oh, it's on his pants.

Starting point is 00:04:22 It was on my slippers, it was on my pants. Awful. Then, so while he's back there cleaning it up, Jeff, our dog, starts gagging. We're like, wait no. So then Jeff throws up, Chambliss is like, I have to get the fuck out of here. I don't know what is going on. That was kind of crazy.

Starting point is 00:04:42 Like, Jeff's puking, I'm puking, Nick's puking. Crazy. This all happened within five minutes. Literally. Oh my god. So, next I have to go lay down. River is still very much present in our lives during this time. And we're like, she's just, neither of us can really go up to her room and rock her for 30 minutes, get her to go to sleep.

Starting point is 00:05:05 So we're like, we'll just let her sleep in our bed. Whatever. So she sleeps with us and then we wake up. She's just Natalie. I'm suffering. Yeah. I don't know how your night went because I- My night was terrible.

Starting point is 00:05:16 I couldn't talk to him because River was right next to me. So if I talked, it would wake her up. So I just kept seeing him get out of the bed constantly and I was like, hope he's okay. Yeah. I just suffered by myself. I made no fuss. I just got up and threw up multiple times, had shivers.

Starting point is 00:05:33 Which is so the complete opposite of me. I remember when I was pregnant with River and I was throwing up all the time, I would be like, how? Like screaming from the bathroom floor to like come in and help me and hold my hair back. And Nick just puked and rallied. Was this the first time that you both were sick having River? It was, actually, I said it in the rally. Is this the first time we've ever been sick together?

Starting point is 00:05:56 Yeah, it's definitely different being sick together. Yeah, were you guys just kind of like taking turns with whatever, having to put her down for a nap, or is like who's struggling less at the moment? Yeah, it was like whoever in that moment. Rock, paper, scissors. Literally whoever in that moment isn't gonna throw up. We followed through.

Starting point is 00:06:13 What was Chandler's doing in all this? Well, she left. She left Friday. She was sat in the, yeah. Did she change her flight? That would have been me. No, she was like, no, she was supposed to leave Friday. She was like, I'm gonna go.

Starting point is 00:06:22 She's like, all right. Projectile vomit, look, there's an opening tonight at six. Like dogs throwing up. But we're all fine now, River's fine, we're fine. But it was definitely like, I mean. Don't wear sweatpants. Yeah. It'll get ya. But then the next day, Nick wore sweat shorts.

Starting point is 00:06:37 Oh. Oh my God, double whammy. My shorts. The two things he wore while dead. He was really feeling not too great. Not like himself. All my DMs were like, oh my God, I've never seen his legs. Like literally.

Starting point is 00:06:52 I don't know if I have either. What do they think of my legs? A lot of people are comparing you to Justin Bieber. Well, I think Justin's doing fine. He's making music, he's dropping albums. Enough about me. Sierra, there's been a breakup in the reality TV universe. Has there not?

Starting point is 00:07:11 I mean, this is like breaking news as of yesterday. Leia, are you okay? I don't know if I'm okay, to be honest. We were all, this was a friend of the show. Kenny! According to the streets, Janae and Kenny have broken up. And TMZ, TMZ first to report this break up.

Starting point is 00:07:31 Our trusty old steed. The streets did get into it. Yes, no, people started noticing that Janae unfollowed Kenny shortly thereafter, PPG has unfollowed and I believe Miguel and Cordell have also unfollowed Kenny. But what we don't understand is what happened from the night prior where Kenny and Janaye were at David Dobrik's birthday party,

Starting point is 00:07:54 and they were clearly having a nice time, drinking, dancing, and then the next day, this is what we woke up to. I blame David Dobrik. Yeah. Now, for those of you who haven't been to a David Dobrik party, it is a influencer smorgasbord. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:09 It is anyone who is in the influencing world in LA, anyone who maybe just got off the plane or people who've been there for years, it is like the, it is the New Year's Eve. From micro influencer to macro influencer. David brings them all. Everyone's like, oh, it's David Dobrik. We're all fans of him when we were kids.

Starting point is 00:08:29 And it's, he's got a very fascinating house. But yeah, I mean, I wonder if we're gonna, I feel like we need, like do we need to call Janae immediately? We need to call Janae. And in the meantime, I will be stalking her TikToks for any passive aggressive trending sounds. Passive aggressive. There's been so far. Super aggressive.

Starting point is 00:08:47 So far there's been zero chill here. Again, like this, this, this couple went into the weekend together. They went to this party together. There's footage of them at this party together looking fine. The next day, the entire cast and friend group, including his boys, have unfollowed him. There's no like, let's just wait and see, the dust settling, anything like that. There is a clear like, make moves now.

Starting point is 00:09:12 I don't know who confirmed the breakup, but it wasn't like, we're not confirming anything yet. Like, is it clear? Yeah, I wonder who, did TMZ just say like, a source confirms? I doubt they'd be like, Janaye confirmed. Do they pick up the cameras? Like, they're clearly done filming.

Starting point is 00:09:24 I don't think we can watch. I mean, we definitely need a season two now. I doubt that you like, Janaye confirmed. Do they pick up the cameras? Like, they're clearly done filming. I mean, we definitely need a season two now. Any chance, any chance, and I hate to even speculate, that this is all for the show. I don't think so. I feel like because, remember when the super teaser came out and Janaye was like kind of pissed that they had like cut something together

Starting point is 00:09:47 to make it seem like her and Kenny were fighting about something and she like immediately cleared that up and she was like, I'm not gonna have this like narrative. I don't think she's like that. I think she's like a very genuine person. I don't think she would. Yeah, I agree. I think that if there was gonna be a couple

Starting point is 00:10:01 that would do some sort of stunt, it would not be Janae and Kenny. And we obviously had the pleasure of interviewing them shortly after they came out of the villa. We loved our conversation with them. They were, I mean this was a year ago, obviously it was fresh out of the villa, but like they both just, they both seem

Starting point is 00:10:16 like a very cute couple and just also as individuals, right? Because like obviously these relationships that happen in the villa, like there's just a lot working against these couples. There's outside pressures. They have to get to know each other while also facing this newfound fame. Very difficult situation,

Starting point is 00:10:32 but just the individuals that we got to know, Ingenie and Kenny, we both just had a wonderful, wonderful time. And again, we don't know what happened. We don't wanna really get into the speculation of what happened. People are creating distance from Kenny. That much is obvious.

Starting point is 00:10:47 That's not speculation. I think it's more telling that Jenae deleted all of the photos of her and Kenny. Deleted the photos and took them out of the bio. And Kenny removed Jenae out of his bio, I think are too obviously, I mean, I know people who still have pictures of like them and their ex from like 12 years ago on their Instagram, you know, like they're like still, yeah, Nick's

Starting point is 00:11:11 got him, Vanessa, he's got him, I mean, he's got everybody on his Instagram. I haven't gone back and just decided, you know, I don't know, it just felt like. Well, I was actually, it's funny that you guys mentioned this because I was looking back at Juliana's Instagram randomly and like, I was just curious to see if she still had pictures of Grant on there and she does. I feel like people don't go back and delete things. It's like a good breakup. If it's amicable.

Starting point is 00:11:33 Yeah. No, this is a clear reaction. I mean, did Rachel Karkanel delete all her stuff with Matt? I don't know if she did, but I think Matt, I looked at Matt's because it's all his like food reviews and stuff. So like if he goes back and deletes all these videos with Rachel, like his page is not the same.

Starting point is 00:11:52 You know what I mean? Wait, I have a question for you guys. What do you do in this situation? You break up, but your entire brand is with them. Do you wipe your page? Also to answer that, Rachel Kirkconnell did not delete like cute couple photos and things. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:07 Well am I Janaye or am I Kenny? Because like. I'm not saying Janaye, I'm not saying Janaye and Kenny, I'm saying in general, you just like, or in a partner, like you have brand partnerships with this person on your page, but you break up, do you delete them? Well I think that like Janaye, the only one

Starting point is 00:12:19 that Janaye didn't delete was like a brand deal with the two of them. Well let's just keep it real here. Like if Kenny stepped in it, if he did something he shouldn't have done, whatever this was, that Jenae didn't delete was like a brand deal with the two of them. Okay, got it. Well, let's just keep it real here. Like if Kenny stepped in it, if he did something he shouldn't have done, whatever this was. I mean, honestly, it doesn't have to be much. I mean, like look at the Matt and Rachel Kukano.

Starting point is 00:12:33 Like we all, like people treated that like it was some sort of, you know, Matt was a bad breaker-upper and maybe lacked some tact in terms of how he went about breaking it up, but ultimately he broke up with his girlfriend, which is like last time I checked, still allowed to happen. And the internet lost their shit. And we're now in this time where like

Starting point is 00:12:54 a scorned person in a relationship, it's cha-ching. You know what I'm saying? Like that is the, as the internet refers to as the arianomatics treatment. And like now Janae is potentially set up for like just a windfall of Brandeo's cash and money. And she's about to make it rain, potentially. I mean, she's gonna get that, what is it?

Starting point is 00:13:15 The brawny. The brawny. The brawny's up, getting ready. Like brawny's already making calls. So again, if you're Janaaye, maybe this is the, again, her star's about to not be any brighter and we thought her star couldn't get any brighter than it was, but I just hope that,

Starting point is 00:13:33 I'm wishing them both the best. I really hope that this doesn't turn into some scandal, but I'm worried for what the fallout could be as more information comes out because the internet never like operates with any type of chill when it comes to this stuff. And I hate to have to say it, but these are, you know, we are dealing with human beings. So let's just, I hope, I hope,

Starting point is 00:13:55 let's just, this is such a stupid thing to say that people like- Treat them as human beings? Yeah. Yeah. Because you know they're not going to. Anyway, so we, I'm sure this is a story that will continue to unfold, we'll follow it.

Starting point is 00:14:06 I'm curious if we're gonna see cameras being picked back up, if Beyond the Villa does a Bravo type of thing, if this, all of a sudden, if we get reports of a season two pickup. Certainly this is all happening while Beyond the Villa is airing, so it'll all be fascinating. And some other news, I don't know if you guys are following.

Starting point is 00:14:24 We've had, obviously, Spencer Pratt on this show before him and Heidi who came on not too long ago to talk about the very tragic Incident that people not only them face but their parents their entire community the tragic LA fires that took you know Had claimed many victims of people who had their houses burned down even Spencer when he came on here talked about he you know He is fighting the city in the state. I don't know anything about how that all stuff works, but lately he has been very active on social. It's been very fascinating. I don't know about you guys, but when these devastating, tragic things happen, whether it's hurricanes or fires or whatever, and there's usually some kind of national response, some kind of big fundraiser, celebrities come out, perform, sing, there's these 1-800 hotlines. Millions and millions of dollars are raised.

Starting point is 00:15:09 I think there was an event where like hundreds of millions of dollars are raised for the victims of the LA fires. And they're always like, this is gonna go directly to the victims and yada yada. And then like, and then the concert ends and people move on with their lives and we all just assume that everything is happening as it should.

Starting point is 00:15:24 And it always makes you wonder, does that really happen? Well, Spencer's out there like claiming that this is not happening the way it should and that none of the victims have seen any of this money and that he's getting into the weeds of where this is going. And it's very fascinating, but I don't know if anyone's following the story. I am, and I'm just rooting for Spencer and Heidi and the community of the Palisades because these people deserve to be able to build their homes back. If you are in Southern California, what happened with the LA fires was just absolutely like terrible. And to find out that like some of this hundred million dollars that was raised, you know, these things called NGOs that

Starting point is 00:16:01 more and more people are becoming aware of. And like, this is like a nonpartisan thing. It should not be partisan, you know, for victims of people who have houses burned down, like get the money that like was donated to them. But like, it's crazy to think that like, these like organizations when this money is raised will just get be sent to these random organizations that have nothing like they're like loosely affiliated with some kind of thing that might have something to do with helping people who might be affected by fires, but not the actual victims itself. Anyway, Spencer is like, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:16:32 if you've ever followed him, he's a great follow in general, and he is on it. And I wouldn't wanna be going against Spencer Pratt when it comes to these types of things, but I'm supporting him in his fight to help all the victims of the LA fires, and I'm definitely watching it closely. So we'll see what comes of it as we move forward,

Starting point is 00:16:52 but it's a fascinating story. Well, we also have a great episode lined up for you. Momentarily, Jonathan Johnson of Bachelor in Paradise, your bachelor sweetheart is with us to talk about being a narc, kinda. He definitely is narc. I wasn't very happy with his way of handling that situation.

Starting point is 00:17:11 It was an interesting approach. Anyways, Jonathan is with us. Many are loving him this season. He is having a hard time on the beaches of paradise finding love. We'll find out why that might be with Jonathan. Also later this episode from your Real Housewives of Miami, we have Gertie Abrera episode, from Your Real Housewives of Miami,

Starting point is 00:17:25 we have Gertie Abrera with us from The Real Housewives of Miami. She returns the Vow Files fresh off her Celebration of Life episode where she decided to go full receipts. We have her to explain her motivations. It's giving very Real Housewives of Atlanta where it's this is your party, this is your event,

Starting point is 00:17:44 and you choose to spend that time to kind of like go after one of your peers. From a TV standpoint, absolutely loved it. Just absolutely, just wonderful, wonderfully entertaining. Incredible. Really, really love it when someone just plays, you know, screenshots at a party. And you have, Nan and I were talking about this yesterday,

Starting point is 00:18:02 like the absolute best parties are, I think, when, if you got guaranteed to go to a party, like a house party, any party, and you're at this party, it's a New Year's Eve party, there's gonna be this great band, there's gonna be great music, there's gonna be drinks flowing, and at some point someone is going to get on a mic and post receipts.

Starting point is 00:18:19 Oh, I'm there. Of this relationship, a friend, some kind of fight. Like you would wanna go to that party, correct? Yeah. Yeah, I would give you to leave my house. What if the guest list was always at least 100 people? But to go to this party, you had to basically sign a waiver. Basically like at any given moment,

Starting point is 00:18:39 like you could be the person that one of the people at the party. Exposes? Exposes. That would be awesome. It's like party, like receipt roulette. Receipt roulette. Receipt roulette. You know, like it just might be.

Starting point is 00:18:50 What type of party that you leave and you like call your friends who, you know, weren't invited and be like, we have to get lunch. Like I have to tell you about this party I went to. Yeah. The craziest shit happened. That's an incredible idea actually. Receipt roulette party.

Starting point is 00:19:04 Receipt roulette party. It's just like. I'm not. Yeah. The craziest shit happened. That's an incredible idea actually, receipt roulette party. Receipt roulette party. And so it's just like. I'm not texting anyone. Excuse me, everyone. Because then it gets really. Can we pull the music down actually, and is there the projector?

Starting point is 00:19:14 Yeah, all right, anyways, can you play the screenshots? And then immediately it's just a bunch of text threads. Imagine like someone you think you're reconnecting with a friend because they invited you to a party. Like someone you haven't't talked to in a while and then it turns out it was one of those And they invited you just in a while that feels good. Yeah as Marisol would say to carry you like Incredible incredible work happening on the real house was a Miami. Well, Jonathan Johnson is here. Let's bring him in Well, y'all know I'm not into chasing trends, but I am all about the stuff that fits right,

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Starting point is 00:20:55 This Wednesday at eight, seven central on MTV, the challenge is back for season 41, but everything you know about the game is about to change. Iconic challenge legends are pairing up with new threats in an attempt to win it all. Fan favorites from shows like Survivor and Big Brother will enter the game as skilled rookies and team up with those who know the challenge best.

Starting point is 00:21:15 Season vets like CT, Carl Maria, Bananas, and more. The new threats are observing everything these vets say and do, but in the end, will they use it against them? The vets may know the game, but what the rookies lack in experience, they make up for in stamina and drive. Can they work together and forge a new challenge legacy?

Starting point is 00:21:31 Or will the new threats take down the same mentors who helped raise them up? With brand new challenges, new faces, and new rules comes new chaos. This season has it all, even cheaters. Don't miss the challenge vets and new threats. New season premieres Wednesday at 8, 7 Central on MTV. Jonathan, welcome back to the Vilephouse.

Starting point is 00:21:51 Good to be with you, buddy. Happy to be here. Where do you want to start? You narking or? I hated the way that you handled that. Oh, wow. She's coming in hot. Like, I loved that you told Kat, but then I hated that when Dale came.

Starting point is 00:22:03 She'd be like, dude, just tell her what the fuck he said. You know? But you're like, I'm going to let y'all. Okay. So what had happened there too, and what I don't think was actually like portrayed is I didn't remember clearly where it had come from. So I was like, I don't want to be like, oh, Dale said it if I wasn't 100% sure that that was the case. So you second guessed yourself in the moment? Was it Jeremy lying that threw you off? I don't remember, honestly. Key to the moment, I think they were just,

Starting point is 00:22:29 they were coming off a crazy night. I came off of a date and just came into it and overheard it. And I was like, that's not a cool thing. Like before we finished Nally's critiques of your execution of it, I am just like, I think it's an interesting conversation of like, the bro code versus like, I think you's an interesting conversation of like, you know, the bro code versus like, I think you were there for Kat, I love that.

Starting point is 00:22:48 But technically it was an arc. You definitely, definitely told on Dale. But if he didn't remember that it came from Dale. But I'm just, I am just wondering like, what's your, just, and I'm genuinely curious, cause you seem like Jonathan, one of the good guys. You know what I'm saying? You had Kat's back.

Starting point is 00:23:03 So like, what is your thought process? 2025, I wanna hear Jonathan because you seem like Jonathan, one of the good guys, you know what I'm saying? You had cats back. So what is your thought process? 2025, I wanna hear Jonathan Johnson's just bro code in terms of how you went through the process of whether you heard it from Dale, like a bird came, or the raccoon from season two of Paradise, whoever told you that Dale wanted to fuck shit up when it came to his relationship with Cat? What made you go straight to Kat and be like,

Starting point is 00:23:27 I heard this shit. No, I got a great answer for you. You bring up the term bro code, and that is saved for people that I would have called bro. And I have nothing against Dale, but him and I weren't bros. So Kat and I had built like a really strong friendship at this point. You know, we didn't work out romantically,

Starting point is 00:23:46 but I was like, you know what? She's awesome. I know she's doing so much better than she had been previously, and I wanna make sure that she gets through this in one piece and has a great outcome from the show. That being said, my loyalty is to her in this situation. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:24:01 So I overhear somebody that isn't my person, my friend, whatever, say something about one of my others. I'm gonna let the friend that's closest to me know. How would you have handled it if Dale was one of your guys? I would have talked about it to his face, like confronted him about it, be like, what do you mean by that? But that just wasn't my place to.

Starting point is 00:24:22 Like if it was one of my friends, for sure, but dude, you're acting like an idiot right now. Like why would you end that? That's the thing I just, I would never. That makes sense. Like why associate with that conversation? You know, I've actually, um, completely agreed with what you did there. I was like, so happy that you did that.

Starting point is 00:24:38 I was so glad that you pulled cat aside and told her because like, she had to know that he's been saying this shit behind her back and him trying to defend himself, like he, it's on camera, the receipt is right there. He said what he said and now he's trying to explain to her that he said it a different kind of way and that it's not what he meant. And it's like, no, that's bullshit.

Starting point is 00:24:57 Like you literally said that. And I was so mad at Jeremy for lying. I thought that you did the right thing. I was so glad that you did that. I was like. No, what was crazy was the fact that you tell Kat, again, I'm pro, I did appreciate you telling Kat. You were like, no, no, no, no,

Starting point is 00:25:13 I didn't like how you did that. I didn't like how when Dale came up and he was like, what's going on? And Kat was like trying to protect you by being like so. He patted Dale on the back and like slowly walked off. He didn't look at me once when he walked up. He just walked up and was tunnel vision on Kat and I was like, okay, well I have no purpose

Starting point is 00:25:32 in this conversation. I was like, I'm gonna get out of here. All right. I hear you. I'm gonna piggyback off of Leia too, because I was like, I did like the fact that production had your back and they showed the clip of him saying it

Starting point is 00:25:42 because it's like at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. You said it. because it's like at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. You said it. And it's like whatever the intention behind it and how he said it was exactly as Kurt and Gross. As he repeated it. I do wanna give you props, Jonathan, because like you nailed it.

Starting point is 00:25:54 Like verbatim, unlike Jeremy, who like you said, and it's very clear. No, that's what's fucked up is that Jeremy's like, Dale, like she came over here and said, did I say, did you say that you wanna go on a date so that you can be toxic? I'm like, nope, not what she said. And see, that's one of those bro code moments though,

Starting point is 00:26:14 cause they were roommates and they were bros. And again, that's how I would have handled it differently. In his moment, he goes, hey, I'm gonna have my buddies back and be like, no, that didn't happen. For me, I would have handled it in a way of being like, dude, don't say stupid shit like that. This person clearly has a lot of feelings for you, is on the road to loving you,

Starting point is 00:26:31 and you're gonna say something like that. So, I don't know. Question, so yeah, I didn't know that Jeremy and Dale were roommates, but either way, Jeremy lied, right? To Kat's face, it wasn't. So, I'm curious, what would be your notes for Jeremy? Would you have handled it that way? Would you have lied in the moment?

Starting point is 00:26:48 Like how do you think he could have handled that better? Wow, that's tough. It's tough because if it's one of your best friends, like you wanna make sure that it's handled appropriately, but you also wanna make sure that it comes from them. Like if he did say that, like I would want to give my friend the opportunity to own up to it directly rather than hear it from me

Starting point is 00:27:09 and then they have this whole freak out or whatever they wanna do in reaction to what was said. I'd be like, hey, you need to go tell them right now. Because they're asking me and clearly the word is spreading. Go nip it in the ass now and take care of it and just be like, yeah, I said this and then let it be done with. Yeah, because he was just flat out like he did not say that.

Starting point is 00:27:27 He could have been like, I think you should need to talk to Dale and like whatever was said, I don't think he meant for it to come across that way. When maybe it would have been the best thing for him to say. I don't know, but he just lied. He just flat out lied and then made something up. No, then Jeremy's like, no, he didn't say that. Jonathan, you go, see, guess,

Starting point is 00:27:45 we'll see, I guess I heard it wrong. I'm like, no, stick to your guns. Yeah, you got gas late, Jonathan. Well, that's what I was saying, is I didn't know exactly how I heard it. I guess I repeated it verbatim, but in the moment, I was like, shit, did somebody else say that? What's your read on Jeremy?

Starting point is 00:28:01 I've heard that, you know, the guy seemed to like him. He seems like a bro. But yeah, he's had a couple tough moments this season from confessing his love to Suzy and then not telling Bailey about it. Actually, that never happened. There was a lot of franking biting in last night's episode. So the, if you guys, I don't know if anyone picked up on it

Starting point is 00:28:21 where it sounded like Jeremy was saying that he would propose to Suzy if she came back. That was definitely some very clever editing. We just heard Jeremy's voice without hearing his lips. It could have been from anywhere, so I'm just gonna discard that completely as disingenuous or just editing. Nevertheless, he definitely poured his heart out to Suzy

Starting point is 00:28:49 and then tried to forget it ever happened. And I'm just curious, as someone who was watching it, like we're watching it, because I'm assuming you didn't know about that call in real time. No, I was like one of the last ones to figure it out. Like what's your read on him? Do you think he's a genuine guy

Starting point is 00:29:04 or do you think he's too in the bro code arena? I think it's tough. And I was very isolated from a lot of the stuff for most of the show, because I was the odd man out. You know, a lot of the couples just kind of like meshed and they'd hang out in the pool together and they'd do a bunch of things together.

Starting point is 00:29:20 And I'm just kind of like, like, yeah. So like, I didn't get to know that until it was further down the road. As far as like Jeremy is a friend like I love Jeremy. I think he's a great friend to me, good guy and he's got a great heart. But as far as watching this back I think there's things that he would probably do differently as well. But I don't know how to go about that differently. And again, this is one of those scenarios, like how I was saying with the Dale situation,

Starting point is 00:29:48 you wanna give your friend the opportunity to say it straight up first and own up to it. And I think it's something that once it had happened, somebody should have told him, be like, hey, you need to go nip this in the ass now and just let her know before it blows up. Well, I mean, it's just like he completely forgot that he's on a television show with cameras,

Starting point is 00:30:07 with microphones. It's like you don't think they're going to play that shit back? I think the moment for me with Jeremy was the conversation with Brian where he's like, I'll tell you when mics are off or whatever, and then tries to like whisper about not being into Bailey or how he preferred Susie or whatever, where I'm just like,

Starting point is 00:30:26 hey, do you think that he's doing this or like staying with Bailey because he just wants to carry on to the next week to like see if somebody else comes in or like, did you feel like the connection between Jeremy and Bailey was authentic? Yeah, I mean, so that's actually a great question because throughout the filming of it,

Starting point is 00:30:43 Bailey and I like had flirted a little bit on and off too. And again, you don't get to see every facet of every relationship, but there reached a point where I was like, I'm not even gonna entertain this anymore because I love to see my friend happy. And anytime he was with her, he was genuinely giddy happy. And he's a pretty stoic guy.

Starting point is 00:31:02 He's just like, yeah, pretty cool all the time. But like when he was with her, it was like genuine. It was cute. And I was like, you know what? I'm never gonna try and get in the way of this. Like he is just phenomenally happy with her. So I think part of it was also fear. He's like, I don't wanna ruin this great thing

Starting point is 00:31:18 that I have going on as well. So what was your reaction when you saw the conversation with Brian, like when you saw it back this past week? I was like, well, I know how this plays out. Oh, well, duh. Like, you... Because I didn't find out until after it had all kind of come to light.

Starting point is 00:31:33 Right, right, right. Ugh, it just made me so upset for Bailey, because I'm like, I feel like she really, genuinely has feelings for Jeremy and also has no idea about this Suzy situation. So sad. Yeah, you think he would have been like, hey, listen, I was really upset that you went on a date with someone else and I pan no idea about the Suzy situation. So sad. Yeah, you think he would have been like, hey, listen, I was really upset that you went on a date

Starting point is 00:31:47 with someone else and I panicked and I called Suzy and I asked her to come back. She declined. Yeah. I still like you, but I definitely want you to know I made that call and I just want to be upfront about that. Yeah. Done.

Starting point is 00:32:00 I will say the Brian and Parisa in the pool was brutal. I mean, Brian just came. Oh, and she was like, what's your favorite color? Yeah. Was that a trick or he's like, I'm not, you're embarrassing. Huh? No, he's like, first of all, he goes like this. He's like, what's your favorite color?

Starting point is 00:32:15 He goes, I'm not gonna answer that question. And she goes, something like, why not? Or like immediately just answer the question, you know? It's like, what's your favorite color? Red. Moving on, all right, done. Why is that such a trigger? Immediately you've already spent more time on the topic

Starting point is 00:32:33 that you don't wanna spend any time on by just refusing to answer the question and then getting in a whole philosophical debate about why you don't wanna answer questions about your favorite color. Yeah. It's just because you're like so deep and you wanna have meaningful conversations.

Starting point is 00:32:46 I don't know about you guys, it just sounds like a real, real kinda complicated way for Brian to wanna get lucky. He's like, I don't know, these are the type of conversations that don't lead us to us taking our clothes off, so I don't know. But let's look into each other's souls. But starting a fight over what your favorite color is definitely ends up to bedroom.

Starting point is 00:33:06 And then he pouted over the railing of the pool. That was crazy. What's your read on Brian? Toxic? Oh man. I don't know. This one's tough too because I ended up being roomed with Brian. So getting to hear things kind of behind the scenes but also I don't want to hear like the negative thoughts

Starting point is 00:33:25 that may come out after those situations. I don't think he communicates his feelings very well to be a hundred percent honest. No. I mean, clearly you can't even say the favorite color in that moment, but I don't know. He was very triggered. I didn't talk as much as like,

Starting point is 00:33:41 you would think you would talk to somebody you're sharing a room with. We just kind of existed together. After the conversation with Jeremy, he was very like, I'm definitely telling Bailey about this. Like he had no sense of bro code towards Jeremy in that moment. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:56 So. I mean, she had a right to know though too. And again, I can't speak on that one, whether it was right or wrong, because obviously I did something similar. The situation's a little bigger, and it's a little bit more played out, but I did the same thing.

Starting point is 00:34:10 I was looking out for a girl that I think I have a good friendship with back, and I don't see the harm in it other than the fact that if they are as close as they seem, that you should give that person the opportunity to just own it. I was just gonna say, what's going on? Why aren't you finding love?

Starting point is 00:34:29 Honestly, it's just like an age-old case of the people I'm into aren't into me, and the people that are into me I'm just not into. I tried to explain this to my friends. I was like, some people go a lifetime without finding a single person. There's billions of people in this fucking floating rock and nobody finds a single person. I was like they put ten people in front of me, half

Starting point is 00:34:47 of which are my friends and two of which I was interested in then they both friends on me. And now I'm here and I'm like well I don't want to go home because I'm having fun but also like watching everybody else be in love isn't that fun. And then obviously at some point the the show changes and I'm like okay well this is a reason to stay. This is fun. But as far as just flat out finding somebody, once the options were all exhausted,

Starting point is 00:35:12 I'm like, what do I do now? No, I feel for you in that, Bachelor does that all the time where it's just like, I'm not into anyone here. And you don't wanna say that because you don't to like sound like you're talking shit about anyone. You're just like I'm great You didn't cast anyone I want to go for and then like they have a way of making it look like You can't get anyone Literally and because I care about everybody that comes on to this like I don't want somebody to walk in I'd be like no

Starting point is 00:35:41 absolutely not and then you look like a dick because you're like, you didn't even give them a chance. But knowing these people that I've met them before or you can tell pretty quickly on in a conversation or in just any sort of like relationship that you have with this person, like if they're gonna be somebody you would date or not. And rather than just being like, no, off the rip, I'm like, well, let's just like, let's have fun.

Starting point is 00:36:02 Like, yeah, I'll go on this date with you as a friend, but you never know. and you wanna let them down as nicely as you can, but then it's also like, a week is two days, so it's like, okay, well, you don't have the luxury of taking your time to let this person down and do it in the best way possible. It has to be cutthroat, and that's just not me, so it also bit me in the ass a little bit.

Starting point is 00:36:21 Back to Dale, you're clearly not friends with him. No, Dale and I are fine. In that moment, we weren't friends. Well, you're fine. When I ask Natalie something, then she's like, I'm fine. She's not fine. Yeah, I've met him and we've hung out before and we have no bad blood,

Starting point is 00:36:39 no bad intentions towards one another. It's just, at that point in the show, I had no ties to him. We didn't talk really. We were competing for the same girl, which I wasn't going for Kat at that point, like she was just a friend. So, yeah, my loyalty was to Kat in that moment. When you're watching it back, because the way it's aired, it's definitely being, Dale's being portrayed, clearly an attractive guy, I mean, I haven't seen him in real life, but you seem like a very attractive guy and he's big, tall, strong and beautiful.

Starting point is 00:37:11 And he has a nice resume, but he is being portrayed as this unbelievable prize that everyone, you know, wants. how it felt on the beach and I guess like what was just your honest read about how Dale communicates with the women he pursues because he seems to talk about how he's always down for like he wants to do open and communication. I also like have a weird, last week guys I was talking to my manager and we were just having a business call and like I almost was like should we dead it? Like and I was being serious. No. No. It's just like it got into my vocabulary.

Starting point is 00:37:49 It got into your vernacular. I was like, should we just move on from it? And all I could think about was deading it. No. I'm disappointed in you. And I almost said it. And I just really wanted to hate Dale for that. That happened to me in the word period.

Starting point is 00:37:59 No. People start saying to me, period, period girl. And they're like, dude. That's as fun. Yeah. I say period all the time. But yeah, do you think Dale's just a little bit, I know you're fine, I know you're chill,

Starting point is 00:38:11 I know you have no problem with him, but do you think he's a little full of shit? I don't know if full of shit's the right word. Lightly disingenuous? I think he's just, I don't know, again, he's Dale. Like he's tall, beautiful, light skinned man. I'm getting there, I'm getting there. Tall, beautiful, light skinned. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. Tall, beautiful, light skinned man with colored eyes.

Starting point is 00:38:27 I don't think he's gotten told no in his recent years of life. I think in how he grew up, probably. I don't know his background, but I think in recent years, him being who he is, being so like... Because Kat doesn't know his either. I think he's just going about life the way

Starting point is 00:38:47 that he would outside of the show. And you can get away with those things in the real world because they don't have one little controlled area that they're stuck in where they can communicate that. Well, now there's cameras involved and all the women that you're talking to can communicate that. Not only can they communicate it,

Starting point is 00:39:04 but they can see what you're doing. You know what I mean? So it's just like a... Well, it's because like, I think the problem, I empathize with Dale because if you're familiar with Dale's story, you know, he went on The Bachelorette to pursue Claire and Claire like fell in love with him day two and they got engaged and left the show

Starting point is 00:39:23 in days of filming. So Dale had one of the most unique experiences being a part of this franchise. And regardless of what happened with his relationship with Claire, going on the show is an experience, you make friends, it's a whole summer camp retreat type of vibe, and you could argue that Dale, that experience was taken from him on The Bachelorette.

Starting point is 00:39:45 So like totally get that, but like just come in and say that and state that. I'm curious when you met Dale and he was kind of talking about, because like I don't know how it was for you guys, but back in my day, a lot of people would kind of state like why they're there, like, you know, I just, I want to date around,

Starting point is 00:40:01 or they would talk about their past relationships. Did Dale make it clear to everyone that like he, he hasn't had this experience before and he really wanted to stay open and pursue other relationships and made it very clear to everyone that he like early days he really wanted to take his time because it really seemed like he went hard and heavy to Kat real quick and was telling Kat everything she needs to hear and wants to hear,

Starting point is 00:40:28 while then he goes into his ITMs and he's just like, whoa, you know, like I just want to chill, I just want to take it slow. But he doesn't seem to be communicating that to Kat. And I'm just curious, what did you see being boots on the ground? Honestly, like from the get-go, he seemed like one of the only other guys

Starting point is 00:40:44 that was similar to me that was just like kind of open and doing paradise the paradise way where you're trying to go on dates, you're trying to meet other people and not just locking into one person too quick. I think the problem now when I watch it back is that he's like over-promising to each individual. Like for me, I was like, eh, like maybe, maybe not. He's like, oh no, like I could actually like see things with you and it's kind of biting him in the ass

Starting point is 00:41:10 because not only are these girls getting excited but then Kat hears about it and you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that's not gonna bear out too well. And in her defense from everything that I've heard too about Kat from previous seasons, like she's kind of holding herself together pretty well for everything that's going on on the show. I'm like, she's my favorite.

Starting point is 00:41:30 You were so calm. You handle that so well. Like that is not at all what I had heard about you from the past. Like you seem so calm, cool, collected. Like what's going on here? And that's, that's part of why I wanted to just like be her friend too, because we had talked about it as well, how much growth she'd done through therapy and the things that she had done.

Starting point is 00:41:49 Yeah, she's awesome. I love how she calmly said to Dale that she was triggered by Dale assuming that life's been perfect for her. What was this like? Oh yeah. Being triggered because someone thinks your life is perfect is... Just saying.

Starting point is 00:42:04 I also loved when Alicia is talking to, also I hate that all of like Grants girls are getting together and like doing girl pow wows and like leaving all the rest of the women out. I get that like they all know each other. But you know, feels a little clicky. But for then Alicia to like sit with those girls and then be like, oh yeah, like, you know, cat was

Starting point is 00:42:27 yelling at Dale for like, the date or whatever. And she's like, Oh, yeah, like she told me that Dale's closed off. I'm like, that's not what she said. She said that Dale told her that he wants to be like intentional with her. Like everyone is just changing up the words and it's like that changes the whole meaning and everything that like, that's not what she said. She didn't say, Dale's closed off, like at all.

Starting point is 00:42:55 So it's just, you know, it's so funny to watch like one conversation happen and then someone like retell it to their friends and it's in a completely different way. Yeah, the game of telephone is a pain in the ass on Paradise, that's for sure. How close were you to having sex with April? I was gonna ask how you felt about seeing her kiss

Starting point is 00:43:13 two other men. Oh, man. I'd rather have you answer my question. Oh, man, not close at all, one. That's too bad. That is too bad. And first of all, our moment was built up so much, her and eyes. But then also she like kisses two other people.

Starting point is 00:43:29 I'm like, he has really played off of her giving me the rose versus like she made out with Sean and with Dale. She made out with Sean. Yeah, like full time. He was on top of her for a while. Dale one that does seem like a shot. The shot kiss that was. It, the Dale one, that just seemed like a shot. The shot kiss, that wasn't, yeah. It was the same with the bird thing.

Starting point is 00:43:47 I mean, he was doing like- Yeah, it was Damien, the same. Yeah. I love April so much, though. She's like the definition of like the word Minx. She's just like- So would you? Her purring.

Starting point is 00:43:57 No. No. I love her so much, but no. Would she? Probably. Actually, I don't know. I don't know. It could all be in good fun in her mind. I haven't tried to like dig too deep into it.

Starting point is 00:44:11 She did say she loves younger men on the last show or on the last episode. Yeah. She's like, I don't know what my problem is, but I like them young, she says. Oh, that's what it was, yeah. You had to quote accurately. What was the best piece of advice that you got from one of the Golden's?

Starting point is 00:44:29 Best piece of advice. Honestly, the night that April had saved me, saved me, had given me her rose, she had come up to me, she pulled me for a chat. She just wanted to like talk about like where I was at with everything. But also Leslie had pulled me for a chat that night, too. And they just wanted to like see how I was doing. And I'd come to the conclusion, I was like, I'm going home. Like, and I was okay with it. I was happy, like nobody's here for me

Starting point is 00:44:49 and all my friends are in great like relationships. Everybody seems good. And I was happy to go. But they wanted to tell me collectively, it was like, hey, we know it's not working out for you. Obviously things don't seem great for you right now. And I was like, but I'm in a good mood. They're like, but don't walk around

Starting point is 00:45:06 with your head down at all. We see what your intent is. We see what you're looking for. We know that you're trying to keep it realistic in an unrealistic environment. They're like, yeah, it may bite you in the ass, but when you find somebody, it's gonna be phenomenal. And just keep doing that.

Starting point is 00:45:23 And for me, I'm thinking, damn, I'm failing at Paradise, but they're sitting here being like, don't think that at all. You're doing incredible as a human, as a contestant, as everything, just keep going. And they genuinely, and not even just up until this point, the duration of my time here, they saved paradise for me through and through.

Starting point is 00:45:47 They're just so reassuring, so sweet. And if there's ever an issue with me or with whatever's going on, they see it and they see through it and they know what to say. And they're able to be realistic and communicate what they see intent-wise behind actions, not just the mistakes that are made.

Starting point is 00:46:07 It sounds like they were helping keeping you grounded. Oh my God, so much. Jonathan, what can we come to expect when they, it seems like next week, I thought it was gonna be this week, but introduce the half a million dollar prize that contestants can potentially win and what can we come to expect or how will that change the beaches of paradise?

Starting point is 00:46:32 Yeah, I think, I answered this last week and I actually really liked the way that it came out, but I think in paradises before, good couples kind of just fall off to the side because you're like, oh, there's no drama here, you don't wanna see what's going on. Like yeah, you wanna see, at the end of the day, you wanna see people happy and in a loving relationship,

Starting point is 00:46:50 those are the people that win at the end, but you don't get to be a part of their relationship, their journey throughout it. You're like, okay, they're good over there, let's see the drama over here. Well, I think with the way it changes, they're putting good relationships and even bad ones in scenarios where you're getting pressed or you're getting challenged and you're

Starting point is 00:47:10 outside of this like comfort zone. You're not just on an all-inclusive vacation anymore. You're doing these games where it's like, hey, are you guys compatible? Are you guys good? Are you going to be able to make it through challenging communication, random things? And you get to see people kind of pushed and you get to be a part of people's love story. You get to see, hey, they are as amazing as it looks from the outside or no, they are shakier than we even thought.

Starting point is 00:47:34 And it's a really cool, like juxtaposition that you get to watch it from versus like old paradises where it's just like, yeah, they're there. They're happy. We're cool. In this episode, we see Jill goes home. I know that you guys have like a interesting argument. Can you shed some light on what exactly was going on with that argument? Because I, as a viewer left kind of confused

Starting point is 00:47:56 what the contention was there. And then I also just want to know how you feel about her going home and her exit. For sure. I mean, for our disagreement, you know, she had come on and I had known that, again, we were just friends. And then kind of going into like the date,

Starting point is 00:48:14 we played like adult twister and we shared a kiss and we had an amazing conversation at the end of the date. You know, her and I hadn't talked in a bit, but the conversation we had was just so easy, so natural. And I was like, wow, this is really good. And I knew things were still very strong with Alex and I wanted to give her my rose. And this is where the miscommunication on my end comes from. Like, hey, you made my decision a lot harder. And in the meaning of that, I meant like my decision to go with Alex was a lot harder because her and I haven't had a conversation that natural since we've been matched up.

Starting point is 00:48:45 And I think she was like, you know what? Like, it feels like as if you're leading me on. And that was where my mistake had fallen into place. And I was like, you know what? I'm so sorry for miscommunicating. I'm sorry for this. I'm sorry for that. And that was not at all my intent was to hurt you

Starting point is 00:48:59 in any way, shape or form. I wanted to make sure that you had a good date, not pairing up with anybody. So then when it came around that second time, you know, she was still a little upset with me even after our first conversation. And I was just like, Hey, I just want to say I'm so sorry one more time. And I wanted to just hear her out, see if she needed to get anything else off of her chest. And then she tried to be like, hey, I'm not actually upset. And I was like, oh, well, kind of seems like you are, but just didn't say that she was like, okay, whatever.

Starting point is 00:49:31 And I just wanted to voice my side. I just want I think it was a moment of weakness and defensiveness where I just wanted to be heard. So I was trying to and she would just keep on repeating like you make no sense. You make no sense. Maybe I made no sense. Maybe I did. I don't know. I don't have the transcript back,

Starting point is 00:49:45 but I was just like, I don't know. When you're feeling unheard, all you want is just for that person to have a little patience with you. Or just be like, you know what, yeah, I hear you and I understand you, and that's fine, we can move on. And I just don't think she wanted to give that to me. And I got defensive and I got upset and I was getting emotional and I was like, well this sucks.

Starting point is 00:50:03 And we just kinda had to just end it after that because I was like, this isn't gonna go anywhere. I felt for Jill. She seems like a really sweet person. I suspect that maybe Jill's man will not be someone that Bachelor would cast on their show. Yeah, Jill's incredible. She's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:50:18 She's got a lot of love to give and yeah, I agree. I don't think, actually well, I know for a fact on Paradise her person wasn't there, but she's gonna find somebody very, very special. I would've loved to see her with Brett. Hate to bring him back. With Brett? You know Brett?

Starting point is 00:50:32 I know, I am obsessed with him. Where's Brett? He's kicking it wearing his halo mask at home. Yeah, no, I saw that, and he added to the comedic lore. That is Brett, but you know, it's like a gel, a gel like, you know, her whole exit was very like, you know, very bachelor, but very like, I'm just so tired of not being picked.

Starting point is 00:50:52 And I think a lot of people feel like Jill often feels, but I feel like it's a classic of like, stop going after the same people who make you always feel the same way about yourself. You know, clearly Jill has a lot to offer the right person, but like she doesn't feel seen by these men that she's pursuing. Bachelor, you know, they have a spectrum of personalities, but there's a mold of people that they cast on their shows.

Starting point is 00:51:19 I bonded with that exit so hard too. Like in those moments, like, yeah, there's moments where I friendzoned people, but in the moments where you just continuously get friendzoned by the people that you want, or just, and I think in her case, she was just being like anybody. She was just over it and tired of it.

Starting point is 00:51:35 And it's like, you can see how much that means to her too. And I'm like, God, not only do we resonate with you, but everybody at home is gonna resonate with the fact that you feel this way, because I don't think there's a single person that hasn't dealt with that. And if you haven't, we resonate with you, but everybody at home is going to resonate with the fact that you feel this way because I don't think there's a single person that hasn't dealt with that and if you haven't like fuck you because That means you've probably been beautiful and cool your entire life and we just don't trust you But she reacted to Sean's reaction to her leaving. She was like I'm gonna do you a favor and I'm gonna leave and he was like

Starting point is 00:52:03 That was such a fake like you know we're not getting married. Like, you know this isn't going anywhere, like please. He's like, yeah, you know we're not getting married. He had nothing to say, it was pretty great. Yeah. Jonathan, it's always great talking to you. Thanks for shedding some light on everything that's going on in paradise.

Starting point is 00:52:20 Can you let my audience know where they can follow you and all that fun stuff? You can follow me on TikTok or Instagram at Jiggity John. And I think I said my LinkedIn last time. I was like, follow me, Jonathan Johnson on LinkedIn. Not that interesting. Or Facebook, whichever you want. Facebook's probably the easiest way to contact me.

Starting point is 00:52:38 I'll actually see it. I'm actually gonna connect with you on LinkedIn after this. Actually no, LinkedIn might be number one. You shouldn't be a mess. I connect with everybody on LinkedIn and then I chat with, LinkedIn might be number one. You shouldn't be a mess. I connect with everybody on LinkedIn and then I chat with them. You weren't by any chance at David Dobrik's party over the weekend, were you?

Starting point is 00:52:50 No. Okay. Wait, why? Because I don't know if you know who Janaye and Kenny are of Love Island season six, but they have broken up. And- They were last seen at David Dobrik's party together, so we're trying to figure out what they are.

Starting point is 00:53:03 Together, on Saturday. Even though they were broken up? So you're trying to figure out what they did. On Saturday. Even though they were broken up? So you're trying to figure out if they are or aren't broken up? No, we know they're broken up. We're just trying to figure out if you were there, maybe you saw something, maybe you heard something. I'm gonna be so honest, I didn't watch Love Island.

Starting point is 00:53:16 All right. That's fair. Get the fuck out. Yeah. I met the cast and they're all great. They seem really, really sweet. Like who's the guy that won, Brian? Is that his name?

Starting point is 00:53:28 Oh, Brian Amaya. So fucking nice. The nicest dude. Wouldn't want anybody else to win this season. Really? Yeah. We're talking about last season though. That's okay. Oh, oh.

Starting point is 00:53:39 No, no, no. Well, when I think last season, I think the one that just ended. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's technically right. Well, Jonathan, it's season, I think the one that just ended. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's technically right. It is the last season. Well, Jonathan, it's always a pleasure to have you. Appreciate you coming, buddy.

Starting point is 00:53:51 Up next, we have Gertie from The Real Housewives of Miami to talk about her celebration of a life party, also known as the party she decided to bring the receipts. But before we get to Gertie, we do have your rapid recap to bring any of you who didn't watch Miami up to speed with all of the drama that happened last episode. All right, here's our rapid recap. We had Julia and Martina Kid reveal, they are so cute.

Starting point is 00:54:15 Plus one of them is wearing a baby Balenciaga shirt, which is so stupid, I love it. We get a FaceTime from Karamo Brown from Queer Eye and a rare moment of Netflix and Peacock brand integration inviting Julia and the girls to an LGBTQ event, gay people love a cause. In true ally fashion, Stephanie Sojay picks up Marisol in a Rolls-Royce with a bar installed in the cup holder.

Starting point is 00:54:33 Marisol then reveals in said Rolls-Royce that she has the colon of a newborn. Also, if anyone was wondering, Alexia is maybe kind of back on with Todd. Gertie throws a Celebration of Life event in honor of her breast cancer. At the event, Alexia gets annoyed that Stephanie Sojay doesn't of back on with Todd. Gertie throws a celebration of life event in honor of her breast cancer. At the event, Alexia gets annoyed that Stephanie Sojay doesn't fuck with her and Todd.

Starting point is 00:54:48 Gertie gets up to speak and it's amazing. She's so beautiful and vulnerable and powerful. Shout out Gertie, but then Gertie gets up to speak again. It's about Julia. And what does she do? She broadcast her texts with Julia about the cruise with Captain Sandy up on the big screen for all to see a la Kenya more.

Starting point is 00:55:04 Everyone is confused because they thought that Gertie and Julia were cool, but also they're pretending that exposing paragraphs of text that no one can read on a big screen is a bigger violation than dumping water on someone's head. This leads to a blowout between Alexia and Stephanie Sojay that is technically about being up Gertie's ass, but really all about Todd.

Starting point is 00:55:21 Overall, are Alexia and Todd in game? Can Gertie come back from this? What constitutes the colon of a newborn? We'll find out soon. Very, very happy for Julia, obviously, with her family growing. It was a little bizarre how Bravo chose to air that reveal. It was so random.

Starting point is 00:55:38 I was like, wait, so everyone's just meeting her kids for the first time right now? She's kinda unclear. She said it up in the last episode that she was gonna bring in the kids. She was like, oh, I think it's time to introduce the kids to the girls. We've seen pictures of them throughout as well.

Starting point is 00:55:54 Yeah, and I think there was something where she was going through final stages with the adoption and whatnot because she had a meeting last episode. Yeah. And so I think this was... It just didn't feel like it had the moment you would think it would.

Starting point is 00:56:06 Like a little party maybe, or like. I totally get not wanting to bring your kids on a TV show first and foremost, totally respect that. But if you are, it's obviously a beautiful story. And then like Alexia, has she like known them for years? I'm just like, she walked in and was like, oh, and like started kissing them and like loved them. That's just Alexia.

Starting point is 00:56:23 Literally. Plus a little Tina's thing. Yeah. She's like, I'm gonna be your favorite Tia ever. Yeah, and you know what? She probably will be. She would be mine too. She looks like a real life Barbie, bringing donuts.

Starting point is 00:56:33 I would die for Alexia. Do you think Marisol's doctor literally said, do you have the colon of a baby? No, I think she, that's a Marisol original. Yeah. Like I have the colon of a newborn. Yeah, they probably were like, wow, it's, you know, pretty great colon in here.

Starting point is 00:56:49 Like definitely not a lot of polyps. Like pretty healthy. And she goes, that of a newborn? Exactly. So basically brand new? Basically brand new, which means she can have as many screwdrivers as she wants for the time being. I will say she does need to be studied

Starting point is 00:57:02 because that woman has multiple alcoholic beverages a day and she still looks flawless, still acts flawless. And I'm just like, how are your insides not just like rotted? Even when she briefly had an eye patch. Well speaking of this episode, it's time to talk to its star. Up next, Gertie joins us to answer all your birding questions. Well dog parents out there, you know how much we love our dogs Jeff and Steve and if you love yours as much as we love ours, you want

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Starting point is 01:00:22 Gerty, welcome back to the Vile Files. It's so great to have you. How are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm holding up. Were you kind of like dreading going into this episode or were you like looking forward to it? You know, it's so funny. I didn't know what to expect because, you know, what I what I did at my party was out of, you know, obviously huge.

Starting point is 01:00:43 It was a huge thing for me internally to struggle with, like, what do I do with this whole thing? You know, when I did decide, I'm like, should I do this now? And I just did it, you know? So sometimes you just act and then you think later, like, oh, you know, so it was one of those moments, you know? Well, first of all, Gerty, I just wanna say just my,

Starting point is 01:01:01 not that my opinion matters, I absolutely loved it. And I wish I wish we were talking. I mean, is it entertaining for people watching? Yes, but it's not my proudest moment, of course, at all. I never wanted to even get to this space. And what cornered me is obviously to be revealed when I talk about the details that led me to just kind of be like, when am I gonna be know, and so it was really kind of one of those

Starting point is 01:01:28 situations where I just, I don't know, I just snapped, you know, you heard the show snap, it was one of those things. I'm like, nope, I'm going to do it, you know, so it was one of those things. I don't know. Can you explain to our audience from your perspective, the beef with Julia, how did it all start? Like, what is her issue with you? Okay, so it all started, I guess, with her and herself, because there was no beef. We went on a cruise in 2023, guys. What?

Starting point is 01:01:58 Yes! This is like two years old. Yeah. This is November, like, December 1st of 2023. And keynote, this is before we even go to season six reunion. Oh, so this is like old. Guys, I felt, I felt like I was on the Truman show. I literally was like, what is happening? Please make this stop. Because it was, it was like surreal to say, you know, so this whole time passes 2023

Starting point is 01:02:26 We go on a beautiful cruise myself and my husband. There's three different itineraries So I was day one which was the two days and then the next two days was a different group going on this cruise She was for itinerary two. I was itinerary one two passing ships in the night I go home and she's on her way there. She then calls me and says, Martina can't go anymore. Something's wrong. But the way that she sounds, she's very emotional. And I'm like, is everything okay with Martina?

Starting point is 01:02:54 What's going on? And she's like, no, I can't talk about it now. I'm in glam right now, but I'll call, I'll tell you about it later. And I'm like, well, what do you, what's going on? Like, what do you need? Can you come and be with me on the cruise you hear your friend in this in this dress you hear something's wrong with Martina in my mind I'm thinking please don't tell me I'm thinking that you know the worst

Starting point is 01:03:15 that is back and I'm like okay okay I just got home I'm packing but I'll repack send me the itinerary so she doesn't tell me on the phone what it is she tells me too that she'll tell me on the ship It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's pick her up off the floor on this cruise. Go and by the way, the cruise, you're going to hear the word it was for work. We all have the same offer letter from this cruise. All of the cast members were invited on this cruise. Adriana was on the cruise with me on my first leg. It was barter. It was like cruise for content. That's what it was. It was not a paid anything FYI. And so we go on the cruise. The itinerary that I received had everything in order. Dinners here, this and that, and so forth. It was on day two, night two.

Starting point is 01:04:13 We had the best time on day one. Night two, I hear that I am being placed somewhere else to have dinner alone because there's a private reception dinner that she is going to. Now, her publicist, who happens to be Alexis Bellino's publicist, tells me we send you we're all organized. Your name is on the list. And I'm kind of like, OK, I guess I don't make a fuss about it. I go to where I'm swung.

Starting point is 01:04:37 I go to the place and they don't even have my reservation. So now I'm like, oh, my God, how embarrassing. Like, what are they doing on the ship? Yeah. What are they doing on the ship? And the first thing I say when I walk up on the ship and I see her, she's with her publicist. And I'm like, Julia, are you okay? Like, is everything okay? She tells me what Martina's issue is. And then I say, well, you're doing networking. You have your PR person there. I can just go home. I was supposed to be packing for watch what happens live. I was like going on a, you know, airplane in a couple of days.

Starting point is 01:05:05 So where is this cruise ship? Miami. It's just like, it's the ascend from, um, celebrity cruises. So it's, um, it was just going out to like borderline Bahamas and then just coming back home. It was like a whole new ship, you know, showing us the glitz, you know? So I'm literally like, okay. Um, you're good here. You told me what happened

Starting point is 01:05:26 to Martina, we're good. And then I stayed because she's like, no, no, no, I want you to stay. So she's with a PR person. They go to this private dinner, they swing me out. No problems. Until I'm like, realizing I'm like, I'm on this ship for this, the rest of this next four hours, I'm just like, lollygagging around doing nothing. And then I'm just kind of like feeling like this is not really nice because Martina was supposed to be her guest. So this is Captain Sandy, who we were hanging out the night before,

Starting point is 01:05:51 everything was cool. Why couldn't I just be the seat that was dedicated for your plus one? So I say to her on text message, hey, like I'm here, they don't have my reservation. I'm not mad, but I'm just feeling like, what am I doing here? And I left my family to be here on this cruise with you.

Starting point is 01:06:06 I just don't know what to do with myself. And this is like weird, right? And so I guess in her mind that was considered an argument. Like she even said, oh, I'm so sorry. I wouldn't have asked you to come on the cruise. But anyway, where are you? And we were supposed to meet for drinks later, which we didn't.

Starting point is 01:06:22 A year and a half, almost two years later, you bring this on camera. Yeah. And not even anything, there was no conversation by phone about it. It was just a text conversation. Almost two years passes by, and the first time that she actually confronts me with it is at the wedding chaos, and where she throws the water at me, and I'm kind of like, what is going on? So she got mad at you because you went home early? No, she got mad at me because I questioned,

Starting point is 01:06:51 why would I not be able to attend the event with you since I'm here for you? So she didn't like the tone and she didn't like the questioning me of what I'm doing and you should be grateful. So this got turned into, Gertie volunteered to be on a cruise. I just left the cruise. Gertie made everything about her. This is night two, the last event where I thought on the itinerary we were going to dinner together but you swing me somewhere and I'm alone. I made things about me. Gertie was talking crap about Alexia. And I'm like, I was actually imitating

Starting point is 01:07:25 your Barracuda argument with Alexia in front of Jen Fessler. But she takes that out and says, Gertie was talking crap about you, Alexia. So for the ladies, I'm kind of like, I can almost understand why they were like, oh, we don't fuck with Gertie because you have Julia throughout this entire hiatus

Starting point is 01:07:42 that the show's off the air in their ear without me knowing this whole time. Everyone's nice to me, texting me, how are the boys? How's your recovery? The whole thing. And then I walk in and no one's inviting me to think. And I'm like, so she did a good, you know, Taylor Swift tour on that one. Went around the world, talked about trap.

Starting point is 01:08:04 And I'm the one that's like not in the know of what's going on. So that's the beginning of the season is like me going like this, like what's going on? What's so crazy is the end of last season you guys were the best of friends. So it's all of us. I was like, I was on a text thread with Marisol Kiki, Alexia, like for eight months, just us talking crap. We're trying to make a dinner date. Like we're having a good time. And nothing was of this nature until closer to filming,

Starting point is 01:08:30 I'm starting to hear little whispers like Adriana's like, hey, how was the cruise? What happened? And then when I heard what happened, I was like, what are you talking about? But in my mind, I'm like, well, Julia couldn't have been talking crap about it because she never brought anything up to me.

Starting point is 01:08:42 So the cruise question asks, Tiki asked me, oh hey how was the cruise? What happened? Once. And then Adriana twice. This is before filming. And then I was just kind of like, well I just sent her a cake for her birthday, like Martina's, you know, flowers for the recovery. Like we're not beefing at all. She was sitting on the same couch as me for season six, like hiding my back, like no issues. Can you imagine like an issue that in your head you have from season six when you could have brought it up right at the reunion if you wanted to, I guess,

Starting point is 01:09:12 you wait until the next season on hiatus and bring it up to the screen? Why do you think she did that? What does that say to you? Okay, well, you know what it says to you. Okay, okay. Fake story lines? It's kind of like, you got to come up. And by the way, here's the issue

Starting point is 01:09:28 Julia made a big mistake by getting greedy with her storylines. That's what happened How beautiful the story of those beautiful boys like stick with your real life like right? That's what happened guys and it's very easy to see and I'm just kind of like why at my expense and I have some traumas in the past that I think you're gonna see through finally going to therapy like I get triggered when it's the Isolating me like the whole like you don't matter like you're below. I have a whole thing with that So tie this in with this big issue and the group Collectively just kind of being like,

Starting point is 01:10:06 I don't know, and letting what happened at the wedding happen to me, it was the biggest trigger ever. And I was like, wow, wow, you know, so, so these emotions were brewing. And you know, one thing you learn when you go through something big like I did, um, you know, it's like you tell yourself, I'm a fighter now, I'm a survivor. I'm going to take care of me. The first thing Martina told me was be selfish, start taking care of you. And I was like, okay, it's hard to do, but I'm gonna, so now I'm trying to take care of me. I released what no longer serves me.

Starting point is 01:10:39 Wrong place, wrong time, but it was emotions like, no way, we're not doing this. And I needed to, in my head, like slap on the wrist. You don't get to treat me this way again. And I did it at the wrong place. I did it at the wrong time, but I'm human. And I think that people hold this big thing like, okay, because you have the C word now,

Starting point is 01:10:59 you have more responsibility. And it's like the scarlet letter I hold. It's kind of like, damn if I do, damn if I don't, I'm human, I made a mistake and I own it. And you'll see that things get way better, by the way. Things get way better. We go to Spain and we have a great time, but getting there is a process.

Starting point is 01:11:17 Well, again, I understand why you're saying you made a mistake. Listen, we watched the show for its amazing entertainment and it was entertaining. So I still wanna thank you for choosing to bring the receipts to the party. We know you as an iconic party planner already. And if you could have a bit of fun with me,

Starting point is 01:11:35 I am just curious as a party planner yourself, like when is the perfect time when you're planning a party to like drop the receipts at the party? Did you go into this party like, alright, first we're gonna celebrate life, we're gonna say what I need to say, and then right before we get to the act, we're gonna drop the receipts.

Starting point is 01:11:58 When is the perfect time to bring the drama at a party if you wanna have a little bit of everything at the perfect party? Yeah, well the way I did my party is, you know, my husband is not a dancer, my kids are not, you know, into entertainment and all that stuff. And, you know, so I knew that I had my party and my timeline was like obviously main event after party. So that's what I always do for every wedding I do. I do the biggest weddings ever and we'll always do a main event, a reception, and then we go into another room like for an after party. So in my mind, my mind is

Starting point is 01:12:27 trained to think that way. So my event was the main event where I shared my testimony. And of course it's going to include the C word. You know, like, okay, I had my testimony and I cried and I thanked my husband and gave him flowers. And then I had two friends listen to this because the spin on it was a cancer survivor fundraiser charity in a church is to me like so slanderous to even think that I would do all these things. Two friends of mine who actually are my friends friends as were 30 people in the room. This was not for patrons of the Cancer Association that gave a donation to attend my event.

Starting point is 01:13:03 These were my friends friends that I hang out with all the time, like, hey, I'm having a little party, you know, whatever, celebrating, being cancer free, come over, refill me. That's what it was. Two of them happened to have breast cancer, okay? They're my friends, you know? And then what I said to myself is, okay,

Starting point is 01:13:19 The Knot is presenting me this amazing party, because it was my magazine cover launch, and I'm like, I don't want it to be like about me like just like oh thank you and look at my cover so I was like oh I spoke to my girls I made a group called support your girlfriends and we go out every year to Bermuda we have the best of fun it's about supporting each other's businesses and supporting it whatever and then I dirty my god can I present a check because we have this 10k and we were gonna do it for this foundation which is one of the girlfriends who was at

Starting point is 01:13:45 the event. But let's do it on stage to bring awareness to the two organizations. In my mind, I'm like, of course, why not? Why not? It's my party. I'm doing my testimony. And instead of just being about the big cover, I'm like, let me also have them paid forward and present your check.

Starting point is 01:14:02 So now it's a cancer survivor charity event and I did this on top of it. And I'm like, no, the event was like wrapped up of the main act and the second part was like, you see me immediately say, okay, let's have fun in your rocky lanes and the band starts playing. So that was completely different from the first act. The band was not there on the first act.

Starting point is 01:14:21 It was a second act of the event. You didn't go into the party like planning this. You only like you did it on the spot after you heard what she had said to your husband, right? So the night of the water toss, right? When she threw the water and I'm hearing this for the first time by volunteering to go to the thing. I went home and I was like, okay,

Starting point is 01:14:38 we're going to bring these receipts together. Because one day, one of these moments, I'm going to show the girls. I went out to lunch with Alexia. I'm like, this is not true. Let me tell you about the cruise. I went to dinner with Kiki, she's lying. Miguel Kiki was stretching.

Starting point is 01:14:52 I told, like, I'm trying to tell you my truth. Laura Sae even at the wedding goes, you know what? Julia has a lot of things, Gertie, but she's not a liar. And I'm looking at her like, the system is rigged. They're not going to believe me. Then no one's going to believe me. So after I've attempted, I'm like, guys, even at the wedding, I'm trying to tell them and she can't handle the truth. And she's trying to stop me by doing the water toss. And I'm like, okay. So I already had my compilation of like my text messages just off to the side and then it wasn't

Starting point is 01:15:25 until I'm like okay I want to do it and you hear me say to my assistant okay I just sent you something and we're doing this like when I say go you go that's what happened you see it on screen so yeah was it in the back of my mind to reveal them of course did I have a specific time or place not yet because I was like let's see what the producers had me film with these girls and then the next opportunity was my party. And when I heard that she was still victimizing herself and like, oh, we're in a better place.

Starting point is 01:15:51 And she broke the pact that she created for us. I'm like, I just can't, like I can't let this go on. What did the screenshots in your mind show and reveal? Cause I think there was some confusion with the audience and even the rest of the women, because there seemed to be a lot there, a lot of conversation, but in your mind, as I think one of the producers asked in the show,

Starting point is 01:16:11 like what was your smoking gun? Like what was the thing that you were trying to get across? Like what did you want the audience or the women to like see in terms of like what your point was about Julia? Mm-hmm, okay. So first of all, I redacted all the names. So when I went and redacted the names, right, I'm like, what, like, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:37 no one who was at the party would look at it and be like, it's her, shame, shame to her, because you don't even know who it's for. So the name on top that said Julia on my phone, that was redacted, Mart it's her, shame, shame to her because you don't even know who it's for. So the name on top that said Julia on my phone, that was redacted, Martina's name, everybody's name. So all this was context to tell them, you say I've, what Julia was trying to get out to the girls is like, look at Gertie, she's so thirsty.

Starting point is 01:16:59 She makes everything about her. And then she's, you know, she's just selfish and she's an opportunist. And I'm like, but the core of the whole thing was like, I literally dropped everything I had to go. I'm like, I'm gonna be there for you. What do you need? Initially, and then you're with your PR,

Starting point is 01:17:14 you're like, oh no, I'm gonna need you, just stay. And I'm now a seat filler. So it was the feeling of feeling like, I'm here for you, but then all of a sudden you disregard me when you need to, but then come to the spot with me. Okay. Now you don't have dinner with us. Go over there.

Starting point is 01:17:28 That feeling comes from my past of just the neglect, being neglected and just feeling like I'm not good enough to do this with you. That's where that core is. And everyone could judge me and say, no, well, you should have still never. For me mistakes. And I honestly, it came from the bottom of emotional hurt. I was so hurt that this is the person who was by my bedside. This is the person who should have known better.

Starting point is 01:17:54 This is like to come from me and about people when I'm just getting back on my feet and you want to cut me at my knees. That was really hard, but really hard. But the context of the text was to show like, I'm not the person she's painting to be. Like, look at this. She says, I volunteered. I would not have suggested for you to leave your kids in Russell to come be on the cruise with me.

Starting point is 01:18:19 Is that volunteering? You tell me these people that make things about me and the whole cruise I was talking about me, me, me, and I didn't check on Martina, you'll see the receipts in coming days. Of course I asked for about Martina. That was all I was doing is thinking what happened? Why wouldn't I, why would I go on the cruise and not ask, so what happened? That was the whole reason I was there.

Starting point is 01:18:41 But she literally told them, I never checked on Martina once. And I made everything about me. That's huge, guys. Do you understand that? And so for me to hear that, I'm like, my good intentions are never going to be, they're never going to land. She's going to pay me out to be like, I just, I've wanted all the crews and I move over, move your bed over. I'm going to, I just got on the same cruise and was in the same big two bed, two stories suite as you. Why do you think that I'm like I just got on the same cruise and was in the same big two bed two stories sweet as you Why do you think that I'm like the hell like just come on you were here? I give you pity like a pity party that that

Starting point is 01:19:13 Heard me so bad and I kept it for weeks and weeks and trying to tell people no one will listen So there's anyone out there who has had an issue when the truth is so clear and I'm not lying and they're called a liar and it's like no one wants to hear your truth. Everyone's gone through that. Well, we're listening, Gertie. We're so glad that you shared that with us and got it out. Switching gears a little bit, Alexia this past episode referred to the rest of her cast

Starting point is 01:19:41 as narcissists and also mentioned that she can't be a narcissist because she's an empath and I just would love to have your thoughts on that. Okay, the first step is to admit, we all know that in any, the first step is to say, hi, I'm girthy and I fucked up. You know, like you gotta start taking accountability

Starting point is 01:20:00 and Alexia of course is a narcissist as we are all. So I'm not saying it's only her because you know what they try to do, you're girthy, you're too loud, of course, is a narcissist as we are all. So I'm not saying it's only her because you know what they try to do? You're girding you too loud, you interrupt, you sound about you, but we all have the same traits. And I think that's why we all put together to create this show. So it's hypocritical obviously,

Starting point is 01:20:17 but you know, I still love her for it. I always say if you've accused more than two people to be a narcissist, you're probably a narcissist, you know, right? Everybody is, I think on the cast. I think everybody is on the cast, yeah. Going back to the Grecian party, the narcissist party, what made you wanna get between Larsa and Lisa?

Starting point is 01:20:36 Oh my God. Guys, I don't know what the heck that was. I didn't even know until I saw that it was actually a throne and you have this red backdrop. It was so gaudy. I was like, oh my God. And I guess maybe subconsciously I was kind of like, well, let me get into this mess

Starting point is 01:20:54 because no one got into mine when I got thrown and there's her in my face and jumping up and so forth. No one flinched. And I was like, you know what? Let's have a talk, you guys. Go ahead. Don't let him win. You need to apologize. I don't know and I was like, you know what, let's have a talk. You guys go ahead. Don't let him win. You need to apologize. I don't know what that was about, but that was actually so funny. Oh my God. When I look back at it, I thought I was cringing a little bit.

Starting point is 01:21:13 You just wanted to mediate. Yeah. I failed bigly. I failed bigly. What do you feel like Julia would need to do to get back into your good graces? What do you feel like Julia would need to do to get back into your good graces? Well, I don't think she, she, I don't think she wants to actually, because, you know, the, at the premiere party itself, she says, oh, I want Gertie to stay as far away as possible. And it's, it's kind of like, if you look at the sit down that we have when we've, the first attempt, when we try to hatch it out, she only apologized for throwing

Starting point is 01:21:44 the water, that's it. And demanded of me to apologize for the reaction after the water was tossed, negating her attacking me, negating her over me and screaming. And I fell for it, I was kind of like, because that's not in my character, so I'm like, okay, so if I was unhinged, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:22:03 But then afterwards I'm like, but wait, she didn't apologize for anything. So the lies continued. And then she says, I'm going to definitely never talk to the girls about whatever we talk about this baby between us. And then at the narcissist party. Unwarranted, the guys like moving on and she stops. What about me to shame me again in front of the girls?

Starting point is 01:22:24 Like, I'm like some kind of crazy, scary, what does she call me? Psychopath scary. And that's a pathological liar. And I'm like, okay, like how do I combat this when no one is going to question her and no one's going to listen to me? You know? So yeah. I mean, how did that feel to have no one had going to question her and no one's going to listen to me. You know? So yeah. I mean, how did that feel to have no one had your back? I mean, it's like you've known these women for so long and like. Yeah. Well, you know, well, Lisa and Adriana weren't there. And you'll see actually Stephanie, you know, steps up and you're like,

Starting point is 01:22:59 listen, I'm going to listen to what's going on in there. And they don't like it. And I was kind of like, oh, oh, we don't want to hear the truth right now. La la la. We were too busy making a big deal about the type of party and when she did it. And we're too busy judging all that that they didn't even want to hear like the facts that would validate and just kind of squash the whole thing. So in my head was like, okay.

Starting point is 01:23:18 You know, I'm going to like, I want to chat GPT. I was like, okay, like I already had, you know, like just kind of like, this is what I want to say when I get an opportunity. And then all of a sudden when I'm like, I'm going to send it, I'm like, okay, chat GPT and that's when I'm that speech comes up quick. And I'm like, okay, the truth about my party. Okay. So it was really kind of like, I thought that that would be in my mind, I guess at that time going to be the one that solidified the start over in a way. But obviously, it didn't. And you know, so I should have probably like took

Starting point is 01:23:53 a beat and calm my anger and just like thought about it till the next day and maybe come up with another plan. But if not, then when in my mind, because when I think of it, it's like the reunion, but if not then when in my mind? Because when I think of it, it's like the reunion, it gets edited, you don't see anything, and then chaos and confusion, people are talking over each other, so it would have never landed, I guess, in my mind then. So I just felt like this is the opportunity now,

Starting point is 01:24:17 do it now, like now, so boom, I just did it, I just did it, and timing was not perfect at all. I'm sure we'll obviously get to see a lot as the season unfolds in the reunion, but as much as you can answer, where do you sit with the women today? Well, actually, you know, Alexia, I think, starts now, is starting to realize the bigger picture,

Starting point is 01:24:41 you know, because her and I had actually a conversation a couple weeks ago, maybe two weeks ago, three weeks ago. And I talked to her and she's like, Gertie, I didn't know. And I was like, but Alexia, I tried to tell you. And I guess she's finally realized that she goes, I didn't, I didn't understand, you know, like, I didn't understand the severity of like every single thing. Every single thing was a lie. Every single thing. And she's like, you know, but why would she do that? And I'm like, I can't answer that, Alexia, but this is where we are.

Starting point is 01:25:14 So I think, and in her interview recently, she says she wishes she could have done more. So I'm happy to hear that because you know what? We were good until this spin, this slenderous tour that she was on and so now I feel like people you know like you know Larsa texted me something about the narcissistic part she goes oh my god Dr. Phil you're so funny you know so like we're we're I think everyone's kind of like feeling each other out because but and when you see the way that we ended the season we end on a great note but when you watch it back and I'm sitting here, not realizing what's happening behind my back and I'm watching like a viewer and I'm kind of like, wait, so that's why Alexis

Starting point is 01:25:54 didn't invite me to that party because she thought the same talking point, mind you, I make things about me, which is exactly what Julia said. So the trickle down effect of the damage for eight months of the whole time that we were on hiatus carries itself into the season. And you have girls with talking points that don't even understand the severity of how it's making me look bad. And I'm like, now I think people are just kind of waking up like, shit, because Julia is very soft spoken. And it allures you to, oh, oh, oh. And it allured me, I thought I had a friend in her.

Starting point is 01:26:28 And just so that you know, like Martina, I wanted to actually kind of defend her because at the first episode, which was Jodie's birthday party, remember that? Before you see her get nasty, she's nice. I'm literally like, okay, what is How the Boys? What is the name? And then she tells me the names that they changed them to. And then she literally like, okay, what is How the Boys, what is the name? And then she tells me the names that they changed them to.

Starting point is 01:26:46 And then she's like, okay, well, you know, and then I think she gets a look from Julia and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, oh, oh, and then the dismissal and then that same kind of feeling that I get that triggers me of like, what, how are they treating me this way? What did I do? That's, you know, so it was a repeat of that kind of feeling, carrying itself over and over again. And I was just kind of like, oh no, this is, she can't,

Starting point is 01:27:12 I'm gonna snap, like this is, you know, this is too much. You know, the victimization and then it's at my expense and making me look like I did something and I did nothing to her. Thank you for answering our questions that relates to Housewives. Stepping away from the Housewives drama of it all and getting to some just more important stuff

Starting point is 01:27:30 before we let you go. How's the family? How's your health? How are you doing? So yeah, I'm great. You know, and I won't talk about the little things because you know what? I do appreciate what I have and you know,

Starting point is 01:27:41 some people have it worse. And so I'm just kind of glad that I'm over the hump and I'm doing great. My family's amazing. My son just graduated my oldest high school. So now he's going into college and we just came back from Japan celebrating him. So that's really good.

Starting point is 01:27:56 That's really good. Yeah. Yeah. Garty, it's always a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you for coming on and sharing your truth and giving us context to everything that we got to see this past episode. Where can my audience find you, follow you,

Starting point is 01:28:07 and all that fun stuff as we follow your journey? Yes, Gerty Design on Instagram. I'm not so much of a TikTok person, but I'm Gerty Design on TikTok as well. I kind of keep a low key, low profile type of thing. So Instagram is my big platform that I go on. And obviously, The Real Housewives of Miami on Wednesdays, 9 p.m. on Peacock, and bravo.

Starting point is 01:28:28 Gerty, always a pleasure. Thanks for taking the time. I hope we get to talk to you again soon. Thank you guys. Take care. Bye. Bye. We love you.

Starting point is 01:28:36 Thank you so much. Bye guys. They can never make me hate you. You've never done anything wrong. You're an icon. No, no, obviously I make mistakes. Thank you guys so much. Thanks Gernie.

Starting point is 01:28:49 Thank you, bye. Woo, anything we wanna unpack from that? Are we ready to get into some OC? They just could never make me hate her, that's all I have to say. She's so real. I love her. Yeah, right, straight up, she comes with the facts,

Starting point is 01:29:01 there are seats, no stutter, no stumble. She's gonna say, I was hanging out with Captain Sandy already. She makes a good point, the receipts, no stutter, no stumble. She's gonna say, I was hanging out with Captain Sandy already. She makes a good point. It's usually the quiet ones are a little sneaky. That's... There's a lot to unpack there, but yes. I was like, why would you need to bring a friend if you had your publicist with you?

Starting point is 01:29:15 Literally. Like that makes zero sense. Alexis Bellenio's publicist. Alexis Bellenio's publicist. The name drops, Jane Fessler of it all. I was like, oh my God, wait, I love... Jen Fessler, sorry. The I was like, oh my God, wait, I love Jen Fessler. Sorry, the fact that she's just casually like,

Starting point is 01:29:28 and from New Jersey and from Orange County. And I was like, okay, Gertie. I feel like an insider. Speaking of Alexis Bellina, according to Shannon Bedour, she is no longer public enemy number one because that title is now going to Katie. Well, unless it has. You know, I like to think of myself as a Shannon Bedore stan,

Starting point is 01:29:51 but Alexis was an excellent villain, and let's just not bury that already. Like, I was a whole season of just horrible, horrible treatment towards you. Why are we so quick to? That's like having Hannibal Lecter as your villain and then like one of the FBI guys becomes the number one op in the next movie.

Starting point is 01:30:12 You know what I mean? Well, we do have a rapid recap for your Real Housewives of Orange County if you didn't get this episode. It is time for episode three, Knee Deep in Lies. Okay, so Katie and Gina are cool again because they bonded over a scalp treatment. Shannon's still mad at Katie for recording her crash out

Starting point is 01:30:29 and still single, but she's wearing matching bowling shirts with her friend Adam to a function, which is diva behavior, I cannot lie. Then we've got Tamara still in therapy, still hating Gretchen, and maybe about to get sued by Ryan because of the whole FBI thing. Speaking of Ryan, Jen is mad at Heather because she doesn't want to invite Ryan to her birthday party, Tamra FBI.

Starting point is 01:30:47 But let's get to the main event, Heather Dubrow's birthday party. Her birthday was two months ago, but it's incredible and fabulous and she has french fries alongside caviar bumps. No one uses their money better. At the event, Jen and Ryan show up and Tamra is nowhere to be seen.

Starting point is 01:30:59 I have to throw in that Ryan showed up a day after he had knee surgery. Just to make sure everyone's aware. That was great. Yeah. This guy is trying to be a fan favorite so bad. He's like, hey, I have no knees, but yeah, I'm coming. I'm there.

Starting point is 01:31:14 Not no knees. Shannon comes with her friend Phil, not the bowling alley guy, but it's Phil from Love Hotel, who is just a friend, but it seems like she may be in her sled era just a tad. Gina thinks it's entertaining, can't help but agree. Also Gretchen reveals that she broke Slade's penis and now when he gets hard it's curved,

Starting point is 01:31:29 which we don't need to know, girl. But then Shannon and Katie get into it about the video recording of the crash out. Shannon tells Katie that she violated her and she's now categorically John Jansen level evil. She's worse than Alexis Bellino, worse than Tamara Judge, and Shannon vows to never speak to her again. Overall, will Jen's son pay for my student loans?

Starting point is 01:31:49 Will anyone try to dip a French fry in the caviar at Heather's birthday party? Will Shannon be contractually obligated to break her vow of silence against Katie? I guess we'll just have to wait to see. I wanna start with Jen in her son's student loan saga. That's crazy. It's getting a little scammy, right?

Starting point is 01:32:11 You could not catch me paying for my sibling's student loans. No, no, no, no. Well, hold on. But like, it's, can you Google this and can we do a little real-time fact-finding? I have had a few friends join the military and upon such time joining the military,

Starting point is 01:32:26 I'm not sure if their credit gets wiped or their records get wiped, but there's some truth to that, where once you join the military as a reward to putting your life on the line and serving your country. All debt is paid off. Something like that gets forgiven or something like that.

Starting point is 01:32:48 It's not guaranteed, but there are options available for debt relief. Yeah, joining military doesn't automatically wipe out your existing debts or erase your credit history. However, service members may be eligible for certain protections and programs that can help with managing and reducing debt,

Starting point is 01:33:01 especially regarding student loans and interest rates. Okay, so it seems like Dad knows about this loophole and is therefore trying to pile on his son's debt with the assumption that the government or the armed forces will forgive that debt. Am I understanding the scam correctly? Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Starting point is 01:33:25 Allegedly that sounds correct because Ryan did make a point to saying that he wished that the father was more hands on and that he's a little bit more hands off. I mean, Ryan being like, I would never put that on my child. Yeah. That's a lot.

Starting point is 01:33:40 Yeah, if Ryan's not doing it. Ryan is allegedly. It takes a Ryan to sniff out a. I was gonna say. That's true. What is it? An alleged scammer. Did anyone notice how Ryan's teeth matched his new white t-shirt?

Starting point is 01:33:54 It wasn't a t-shirt. Why was he wearing a hoodie, a white hoodie with a blazer jacket? A suit jacket. Because men's fashion, like men. He's at a Heather DeBrow black tie. His wife is in a gown. Natalie.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Most men will freeze their fashion in whatever they think was popular when they were like going out to the bar. Have you seen Adam Sandler on a red carpet? Are we gonna act like we didn't watch last season when he goes to pick out clothing and it was like paint splatter, like graffiti on a button down, like babe.

Starting point is 01:34:26 But it's just like you did, like you wore the suit jacket. So like you just needed to be like comfy cozy underneath and like wear your hoodie. That's his style. It kinda looked like the guy from Subway Surfers. It's like, I like, it's business casual. The casual is the hoodie, the business is the blazer. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:46 The best I got. Okay, but I mean, Jen's reaction at that restaurant to Heather, I feel like was warranted. Yeah. Tamara said that her lawyer recommended that if Ryan and Jen were going to be there, specifically Ryan, that she shouldn't come. Then Heather was like, well, I want you all to come. I just wanted to see how you felt about like maybe if like Ryan didn't come. And then that's when Jen was like, no, you either invite Ryan or, you know, you're choosing Tamra and Tamra's not a good friend. So I love Tamra until the day that I die.

Starting point is 01:35:17 Does that mean I agree with everything she does? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But I do love her. I think she is a great housewife. She's an iconic housewife. She's the only housewife who honestly gives me what I need these days. But like, you know, I think Jen was valid in being like, she had, she told the world

Starting point is 01:35:36 my house was raided by the FBI when it never was. Like that caused issues for my children. And like, definitely, you know, warranted. That's why it's like, Tamera's like, definitely, you know, warranted. That's why it's like, Tamara's like messy in a way that's very intentional. Like we obviously know she's gonna show up to the party with somebody that's gonna cause some drama.

Starting point is 01:35:53 And it's like, she's a great housewife in the sense of being intentional about it. But I think it's funny, the entire episode is about her not taking accountability, which she does reason everything that she does. In comparison, I feel like Katie, I think Katie's a little messy, but I think it was a little unintentional as well.

Starting point is 01:36:09 Like I think Tamra would have sent, showed that to Alexis knowing the legal, the legality of it and everything, where I'm like, I feel like Katie sent that voice recording or audio recording or video recording based off of like showing it to Alexis as friends, but I don't think she thought about the fact of the legal implications, the way that Shannon's accusing her of.

Starting point is 01:36:28 Cutie's that friend that you're just like, girl. I think she's just trying to find her place. I'm like, you're trying and I wanna support you, but you gotta think, you gotta think about the repercussions of your actions, but I mean that with all the love in my heart. And I genuinely do think that she didn't think what she did was that big of a deal

Starting point is 01:36:48 until it's being explained to her, and even then she's still trying to reason it. Yeah, but it's tough when really smart people act stupid. And I don't know Katie personally, but she seems like a very intelligent person. I mean, she was, like, she's like, well, no, you came in and it was a shared space and I'm on a zoom call with business.

Starting point is 01:37:08 It's like, she was definitely trying to defend her her part recording and Shannon being like, you go the fuck outside. Like you walk out of where it's noisy. If I take a phone call in a restaurant and it's noisy, I'm not like everyone, please quiet down. I'm on a call. I step outside. Like, well, please quiet down, I'm on a call,

Starting point is 01:37:25 I step outside. Well, and Shannon did make a good point with the, it wasn't that important because you did hang up on them to record me. That is true. I'm curious, Sierra, specifically, who's been married to, I mean, everyone, the question for everyone,

Starting point is 01:37:40 but how do you view, like- Not Natalie. Sierra, specifically, Mary to everyone everyone happy to be here. Reality TV in general, like you know, in every platform, it seems like they kind of have like the tip types of reality TV,

Starting point is 01:38:01 love competition shows, love Island like in then Bravo Universe seems to be this very specific universe where it's like, how scripted is it versus staged, you know, like bad, you know, it's just like, we've heard rumors about bonuses being paid to like people who are more interesting. And it's like, we've talked, you know,

Starting point is 01:38:22 to people like Tom Schwartz, where it's just like sometimes it'd's like, we've talked to people like Tom Schwartz, where it's just like, sometimes it'd be like, well, you know, sometimes you lean into it for TV. And I'm just like, where do you draw the line between like Tamara, for example, like when we meet Tamara in person, she's charming, she's engaging, she, I don't know, she seems cool, right?

Starting point is 01:38:42 And then she does things on camera where you're just like, that, that, that's tough. You know, but like, do we, I'm curious here, do you give them a pass because they're performing as housewives, like doing a job with the assumption that it's not like, it's not real reality TV, it's Bravo reality TV or like versus, you know, like a love competition show, like Love Island, where it's like,

Starting point is 01:39:11 they're not in on it with producers, they're not doing scenes, they're thrown into a very controlled environment, you know, cut off from the outside world and thrown into a fire and told to react. And I'm just like, where do you, and I feel like a lot of Bravo is debating the characters of these people versus like,

Starting point is 01:39:34 what is like unforgivable behavior or versus like what is like just messy drama? Does that make sense? Yeah, it's a tough question though, cause it's like, I don't know, I've seen some crazy shit in especially earlier seasons of Housewives, there were no boundaries. I mean, Kim Richards.

Starting point is 01:39:53 This is saying anything was touchable, alcoholism, family, whatever. I think it's mainly like where I'm like my issue with Tamra, for example, is that it's the same stuff over and over again every season season where it's just like, I wish I could have a season where I just enjoyed you enjoying people. But I'm like, the same time,

Starting point is 01:40:10 that's not what the show is about and that's not who her character is. So like, I don't know if that is who she is or if that's the character she feels like she has to show up as for the next three months of filming. So like, that's where it does get hard because then it's like, when you see what they're doing on their outside life,

Starting point is 01:40:24 some of these reality TV stars, I don't't follow or like I don't see like whatever charities they're a part of whatever else they're doing to like give back I'm seeing you for three months and then unfollowed and you know until you pop back up on my screen So it's kind of hard to judge to the only way that I really judge is how they come back the next season and after like How deplorable whatever their behavior was the previous season? How are you showing up and how are you righting your wrongs or are you gonna commit to it? And if you're committing to it,

Starting point is 01:40:49 everybody loves a good villain, they're just not my favorites on the cast generally. Cause sometimes I'm like, I feel like, for example, Gertie, how Gertie reacted in that situation, I understand now because I'm like, yeah, if I was felt to be crazy or that I'm a liar based off of the truth that I'm telling. That would get frustrating.

Starting point is 01:41:06 So I don't know how drastic I would go knowing that I only have X amount of time to get this story out, to get the truth out and what's actually gonna end up in the episode versus what's cut. So I'm like, she knew that she had to make this grand announcement because that's gonna make an episode versus pulling Julia to the side and having a one-on-one. So who's your favorite on OC?

Starting point is 01:41:23 Oh, that's hard. I actually just unfollowed Jen, so I'm like, I don't. You unfollowed Jen. I just wasn't interested. Yeah, I'm pretty brutal. I guess Heather Dubrow, but that's just because I'm like, but Heather's so on her own planet that it's just like, and I consistently get the same thing.

Starting point is 01:41:43 I get my shampers, I get my caviar bumps, I get my luxury porn. I will say, Bravos really, they're playing a little fast and loose with these Heather Rich parties, because I think we all know who's throwing these parties. And if you're gonna just talk about how expensive these parties are,

Starting point is 01:42:00 it can't look like there's 12 people in the background. You know what I'm saying? It's hard to get an invite to an HD event. It definitely wasn't giving Summer House Party full invite. No. Full send. I have no doubt that Heather and Terry are wealthy and have a ton of money,

Starting point is 01:42:17 and I'm sure Heather has thrown parties that she's actually paid for by herself, and I'm sure they've been iconic. And I think they're just conveying that brand. You don't think that she paid for by herself, and I'm sure they've been iconic, and I think they're just conveying that brand. You don't think that she paid for that party? No, I don't think Bravo, I don't think any of these people pay for any of these trips or parties, period.

Starting point is 01:42:34 If it's on camera, if it's a part of the show, if it's part of the storyline, it's part of production. It's just like, come on, this isn't WWE wrestling in the 80s, people, come on. like, come on, this isn't WWE wrestling in the 80s people. Come on. Like, it's too real. But like, you know, like at least, at least fill the room. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:42:51 Fill the room. Was Gretchen there because I missed her. Yes. She was? Yeah, they're talking about where Tamara is and how she hasn't showed up yet. Oh, that was Slade's penis. And she broke Slade's penis.

Starting point is 01:43:01 I will say that Gretchen, I have not watched early seasons of OC. I do not know the Gretchen lore. But the way she came out full body with, it's not the same. She's taking it for me this season. She's really been enjoyable to watch. No, Tamra's response with,

Starting point is 01:43:18 oh, okay evil, was 10 times better. I think that's what's going to make Tamara work this season is she has like the whole like, I'm in therapy, I'm healing, I'm learning about my traumas. And then as soon as that happened, bam, biggest threat comes in. It's literally, it's giving WWE. It's like, you're bringing in the heavy weight of Gretchen

Starting point is 01:43:39 to like finally put Tamara in her place. And like, how does she handle this? And I'm locked in. Do you think he suspected his dick would be on blast? I don't think Slade gives a shit. and finally put Tamra in her place and like how does she handle this? And I'm locked in. They're gonna go low. Do you think he suspected his dick would be on blast? I don't think Slade gives a shit. I don't think so. His name is Slade.

Starting point is 01:43:51 His name is Slade. Yeah, Slade's nightly. Did y'all feel like Emily's husband was super uncomfortable during that conversation? Totally. Did y'all look at his face the entire time? I feel like they just met. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:00 He's like, and I'm thinking about your dick right now. Okay. I thought I was here for a birthday. If I bring bowling shoes to bowling alley, is that hot or is that a nick? How good are you at bowling? Does it matter? I mean, I feel like carrying your shoes with you,

Starting point is 01:44:13 like through a parking lot into the place. Better than roller skates? I would say roller skates is better than bowling shoes. Nick, why do you want your feelings to get hurt? I am proud about my roller skating ability and I cannot wait to my daughter's going off to roller skating. We already dance together, she loves to dance

Starting point is 01:44:32 and I cannot wait till our Saturday morning roller skating outings. And you can all fuck yourselves because all the other dads look like losers on the sidelines and I will be spinning, doing twirls. Yeah. Spin me. Gliding on that hardwood floor

Starting point is 01:44:49 that they call a roller skating rink. And I'll think I'm hot. That's all that matters. That's all that matters. I support it. All right, well, I think that'll do it for this episode. Thank you to our guests, Jonathan Johnson and Gertie Abreu. We appreciate them both coming on appreciate you guys listening

Starting point is 01:45:07 We'll see you back on Thursday for another jam-packed episode. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye

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