The Viall Files - E977 - Perfect Match w/ Rachel Recchia, BIP w/ Bailey, Miguel & Louis Drama, Valley Casting, RHOC and RHOM

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  It’s another amazing week as we welcome Rachel Recchia to get into the new season of Perfect Match! Plus, what’s going on between Miguel and Louis? Who is going to be the new season of the Valley? We discuss. Later, we talk to Bailey to get all the tea from Bachelor in Paradise. Also, we get into the most recent episodes of RHOC and RHOM. You won’t want to miss it!  “We’re gonna talk some sh*t today.” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  We’ve partnered with Mint Mobile to open a hot takes hotline to hear your scorching hot opinions! Give us your hot takes, thoughts and theories and we’ll read and react to the best ones on an upcoming Reality Recap episode! All you have to do is call 1-855-MINT-TLK or, if you prefer the numbers, that’s 1-855-646-8855 and leave us a message. Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: SKIMS - Shop our favorite bras and underwear at https://SKIMS.com  BILT - Earn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home, by going to https://joinbilt.com/viall  Mint Mobile - This year, skip breaking a sweat AND breaking the bank. Get this new customer offer and your 3-month Unlimited wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/viall Helix Sleep - For their Labor Day Early Access sale, go to https://helixsleep.com/viall for 20% Off Sitewide Tonal - Right now, Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase at https://tonal.com, and use promo code VIALL for $200 off your purchase. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (05:36) - Household Headlines (19:40) - BIP and Perfect Match with Rachel Recchia (59:17) - Bailey Interview (01:24:44) - RHOC (01:37:55) - RHOM (01:43:02) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @maggieq @ewagmeister @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell  

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick. My wife is back. She's alive. She's doing well. My gosh. It was touching.

I thought she wasn't gonna make it. Honestly, I wish I could have been that bitch. I wish I could have been that influencer that in the midst, grabbed my phone, put it on a tripod. As you were throwing up. Press record. The way I was sleeping on the bathroom floor, on a towel, wrapped in a robe, with a bowl, puking.

It was just the worst night of my entire life. And I wish I could have had it on a recording to show you all. Like big brother type. Because you're like a baddie? Oh my God, no. Was it like special? So that I could have done like a two time speed,

a story post and been like, my weekend. And like, you know. But like from a virus. From the stomach flu. I do have a question. The bowl that you throw up in, is that the same bowl that you use to like eat popcorn out of? Actually, I made kale salad in it two days later. You did? I mean, like, I don't, is that, it's called soap. Yeah. Like, I don't, do you throw it? First of all, it's metal, not plastic. So there's no like, I don't, is that, it's called soap. Yeah. Like, I don't, do you throw? First of all, it's metal, not plastic. So there's no, like, there's no pukey thing

getting into, like, microplastics or anything like that. Like, it's stainless steel. Oh, I am not judging. I'm just saying, it's like, there is a very specific throw-up bowl that you also use to eat popcorn out of. Well, we haven't thrown up like that in a long time. So we haven't necessitated a throw up bowl. Am I a trash human that I don't have a throw up bowl

that I just go to the bathroom? No, no, no, definitely. The toilet was my one true love. I used the toilet. And then like, honestly, the toilet can help in a lot of ways, you know? Yeah, you can just like. Like really help get things moving along.

But I was throwing up so much that I was also so tired and the bedroom was such a far, like the bed was such a far walk to the toilet that I was like, I just can't, I just gotta play with this. It's called Am I an Asshole? Now I wanna preface this game, Am I an Asshole, by reminding you all that I had the same stomach flu days earlier.

This is just like, I don't think we should play. Just not in the news no matter what? No, I'm the asshole, potentially days earlier. This is just like, I don't think we should play. Just Natalie News no matter what. I'm the asshole, potentially. Like Natalie's fine. And shocking news. Go ahead. Well, I don't think I am. I'm just wondering.

We'll see. Just for, almost certainly. I just want to remind you guys, I had the stomach flu days before and when I was puking, crying, screaming, throwing up, Natalie didn't wake up at all. Had a nice night of sleep, which I was happy to have her have

because my wife needs her sleep. He was just so light on his feet in the middle of the night when he got up to throw up. I just didn't hear a thing. When Natalie had the flu, she was down and back. And I got up a few times when I saw her wake up and River's sleeping and I'm rubbing her back her back and then I bring her back to the bed and then there was a point in the evening like three in the morning and

Nellie is just lying on the bathroom floor and I'm like I think let's go back to just leave me just leave me just leave me so I left her. You're not the asshole. And I wrapped the blanket on the towel. I put another bathroom towel and I'm like, all right, well. That night. Maybe it's also sweet. But maybe it's just, yes. That I left her on the bathroom floor.

Respect our wishes when we're in such a vulnerable state. Get out of here. There was a part of Nellie definitely wanted me to sit down and press her back and stay with her all night, for sure. Oh, if he wanted to lay down with me on that bathroom floor. She absolutely would've.

I would've welcomed with open arms. I can't agree with that. It was the like, I don't want to like walk back to the bed and then have to get back up and walk. You know, like I don't wanna do that all day. I definitely like patted her on the head. I was like, all right, well. You're doing great, sweetie.

You're doing great. So I'm okay. Yeah, you're great. Maybe you being awoken is karma for giving your beautiful wife the stomach flu. You did give me the stomach flu. I think I did, yeah. I don't know where I got it.

You know, blaming doesn't help anything. No, it doesn't have your fun. We're both alive and healthy. We did survive, we're on the other side. We survived and we do have a great episode lined up for you today. The Bile Files. Yeah, the Bile is no longer. Rachel Recchia,

your former Bachelorette and new star of the perfect match streaming now on Netflix is with us to give us a little inside baseball till what the fuck was she and Clayton thinking when they decided to reunite their romance for a night until Clayton, his instincts kicked in. His intuition. His intuition. Yeah.

That intuition. His intuition. Yeah. That intuition. His intuition kicked in. We also have Bailey Brown from Bachelor in Paradise with us to talk about her thoughts on Jeremy and his reluctance to speak truth to Bailey. How is she feeling about being blindsided by lies from Jeremy? So we got hopefully two very upset women

joining us later this episode. Not hopefully. With any luck. Hey, gotta make money somehow. You know, passionate. Gives the tears, it's the tissue box. Hopefully they've moved on to better. I want them to move on after they come on the show.

I hope this is their opportunity to just let out all the demons. Clayton is supposed to join us on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap and is supposed to, we'll see, I don't know. I think he has a different version of how things went down on Perfect Match. And I can't wait to hear him.

As anyone does with a bad edit, you know what I'm saying? Bad edits. Bad edits. Bad edits. Speaking of releasing demons, I don't know if you saw Miguel's Instagram stories over the weekend. I did. Ah.

The girlies have unfollowed Louie after- Louie the Who is also on Perfect Match. Who is also on Perfect Match was spotted out in London with Huda. Huda's in London. Huda went out in London and they were spotted together. I think she's back now. This was- She's back.

Yeah, she was like a couple... This was like a week or two ago. Anyways, why does Miguel care is my question. Well, Miguel and Louis are best friends from London. I'm assuming that they must have applied for these shows at the same time, thinking it was just going to be like a fun hee-hee-haha. Uh-huh. Obviously, Miguel has met the love of his life.

I think Louis moved out here for a perfect match and they were roommates for a minute. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty positive. Couple of London mates trying to make it on TV. During the season, uh, or right after the season, people noticed that Leah and, uh, Janay and Serena had unfollowed Louie. So of, of love Island, USA of love Island, USA season six season unfollowed Louie. So. Of Love Island USA? Of Love Island USA, season six. Mid-season?

Unfollowed, towards the end of the season, unfollowed Louie, which was like weird. Mid-season? What are you talking about, mid-season? I misspoke, so then I corrected myself and he caught on to my mistake. I am not. I'm paying attention to Sierra.

He's lodged in. I'm not paying attention to who the PPPG is following during Love Island season. He's lying, he has his notifications on. So people started to notice the unfollowing of Louis and then Miguel posted a comment because everybody thought that the PPPG unfollowed him based off of Hada.

He said, if you know me, you know I'm someone who's very private. If I have a problem, I deal with it personally. However, the more I dive into this world, the more I see some people have different takes on that and perspectives can get corrupted. People I called my friends feeling as though they have the right to talk on my relationship

so negatively in such a public manner with no regard for how this might affect my girl's mental. What did Louis say? I'm gonna look it up after I finish. Making assumptions without first understanding reasons behind certain actions and using that to let people drag her name and drag my relationship is disgusting. I'm beyond disappointed, I'm beyond upset, and I honestly want no part in any of it. It feels ridiculous I'm even

writing this message, but this is the world I'm in and everyone seems to need an explanation so here it is. The people you thought I was close to, please remove that idea from your mind because it's clear to me now we're walking two different paths and to shed light on a certain topic, Leah and the girls didn't unfollow Louie because he was dating Huda. They did it because as women, the reasoning behind why he was dating her didn't sit right with them.

Whether or not they are truly falling for each other at this point, I couldn't care less. I wish them nothing but peace, but my road is my own. And I would prefer if my name and my girl's name no longer crossed with their world. So I think the speaking negatively was that people obviously noticed the Louis thing and I guess Louis must have spoken out about it.

You just know that I was like, well, what the fuck, why? You know? You know she had some questions after that went public. And like, as I said, I don't wanna speak on her character or whatever, but I'm also like, I'm sure that there wasn't a, it didn't hurt that the fact that it's like

the people from season six being related to Miguel and her being with Louis, like I I'm sure that there wasn't a... It didn't hurt the fact that it's, like, the people from season six being related to Miguel and her being with Louis. Like, I feel like she probably thought that this was gonna be, like, a Love Island family. Why isn't it? Like, why don't... Do the girlies not follow Huda? Leah does follow Huda. Leah does? Okay.

So, Leah follows Huda, but, yeah, I think it's the Louis of it all and the fact that... Leah does not follow Huda. You're right. Never mind. Leah does not follow Huda. I think so clearly, Louis might have said some things So it's... Leah does not follow Huda. You're right. Never mind. Leah does not follow Huda. I think so clearly, Louis might have said some things that maybe made Miguel and even, you know, PPG think one thing and then now the fact that he's dating Huda, they're like,

that doesn't align with like whatever the fuck you said to us. Whatever, like they clearly are uncomfortable with the fact that he's now dating Huda based on previous actions or previous words that he said. My big takeaway is like, because if we all quit on Beyond the Villa, like is anyone still, are you still watching? I'm one episode behind. I haven't seen the new episode, but I love it.

Is there any of this drama? And by any of this, like, obviously Kenny and Janaye wouldn't be on it, but like, is there any of this drama, and by any of this, like, obviously, Kenya Jenay wouldn't be on it, but like, is there any like real? No. Is it just still Olivia and Kayla? It's just like fun, friendly, beyond the villa. It's like Olivia and Kayla have like made up.

But it's like silly fun. Connor and Jenay haven't gotten there yet, but like, yeah. They haven't even gotten there? They haven't made up. They haven't squashed. But I'm like, I'm watching Aaron and Connor go surfing and talk about the birthday party. Silly fun. Yes, silly fun.

This is why this usually doesn't translate into successful TV shows. Like ultimately the stars of Love Island have become internet stars, right? Their fans are now following them on their social media, things like that. That's why it makes the women of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives so awesome and dynamic

because most of the time these platforms, Hulu, whatever, Netflix, who are trying to follow these internet stars and say, let's make a TV show out of them, they don't work because again, they're so brand conscious. They're so editing themselves. They don't want the drama, but they want the attention and the women of Secret Lives are out there just like,

it doesn't stop. If the cameras are up, they're just living their lives, and they may be dramatic online, they're also dramatic, when they're filming a TV show, they don't change course, right? Like, this is like, this would be, if this was a TV show, this shit that's going like, that Miguel's posting about.

Could y'all imagine if we had footage of like, Louis sitting on Miguel's couch, like talking about Buddha. And cameras of them talking about all this pose. And then you see, like, it would be, that would be crazy. Oh my God, this would be amazing, but they don't wanna do it, they can't,

like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and that's what makes those women of The Secret Lives just so amazing TV makers and professionals because they don't stop being authentic. They don't start editing themselves as soon as they get mic'd up and put cameras on. They're just as authentic and genuine. And that's why they're one of a kind.

Because you can't get this, this is the TV we wanna see and we're getting fake fights and surfing scenes and things like that. And then they're going on their IG stories with the real TV That's not being filmed It is hard to like watch their social media and see what's going on online and then like oh new episode tune in and it's like

So cookie cutter and you're just like oh Meanwhile, they're on Instagram stories being like we don't follow this person and it's like, you know Even even on Instagram stories. it does feel a little silly. I need a good one-liner from Leah on the show. And I feel like we haven't gotten that. Like you- Clout demon? Clout demon. Like where is that?

I need to direct a camera holding the phone up and going unfollow. You know what I mean? Like a whole round table discussion of like when all the women got together on season six and they voted off Andrea, was it? Was it Andrea? And we all were like, what was the conversation

that made them like vote? I want that in terms of them unfollowing Louie. And I want all the tea and why he is also a Cloud Demon. Right. Listen, we don't know. That could all be in season two. Maybe, I doubt it. Maybe, but I feel like by then it's so old.

Yeah, I mean, they did a red carpet. They were at the premiere of Weapons on Friday. I mean, there's an amazing show here available. And Louis. My take is that Beyond the Villa should be live and edited the exact same way as Love Island. Yeah. Yeah.

That's so much. That would be epic. That's how they gotta I love you. That would be epic. That's how they gotta do it. I don't know if you were watching Watch What Happens live, but Kim Zolciak was asked about Ariana's money and spending it. Her daughter. The daughter.

Not to be confused with medics. Kim was spending her daughter's money. The rug was pulled out from the Zolciak's. Ariana's money was spent on bills, to be honest. I was left holding the bag for the family. I was left with nothing, so I had to figure out fast. The money I borrowed from Ariana, I paid her back for the bills and stuff.

Zolciak promised that while she doesn't have the spreadsheets, Ariana will be reimbursed. Wait, so I was gonna say. So she has paid her back, will be paid back. She doesn't have the spreadsheets. She was a bit tardy for the party in terms of paying her daughter back. And was the daughter was in the crowd?

The daughter was in the crowd on a split screen. And she was just staring. Very stoic look. Very much gave like, we'll be having a conversation after this of like, mom, you're lying. Arianna's public, I actually do have a couple spreadsheets. I've sent them to you every month for you to review.

I'm like, it's so sad, but I'm glad that like, at least Ariana is back on top. I just, I don't know what's gonna happen with the fam. And then asking about Brielle, the older daughter, being like, well, did she have to, and she's like, she paid an electric bill, you know, every now and again. To see it was so- And best for your children.

The reason Ariana is so incredible on Next Gen is because it is so obvious that she did raise herself. Oh yeah. She survived. Yeah. She survived and she, that girl, she's a survivor and she has it. And by it, I mean factor, the it factor. The it factor.

Yeah. She does. Not the pause. Speaking of it factors, Jax, did you notice his reunion look? Oh my God. His little steady shoes. I mean, I feel like they've called him out for this

so many more times, but this one is crazy. It kind of brings me a little bit of joy because why would you need to wear lifts and sneakers for a show that's being filmed while you're sitting down? Because you know they're taking a group photo after and he's like, oh, in that group photo, I better be like the tallest. Babe, I just Googled him.

He also didn't want his feet hanging off the seat. His height on the internet says six foot. Isn't he? So you know what that means. Five, 10. Five, 10. I haven't seen Jax in person in maybe a decade, but. I mean, have you seen the photo of the lifts?

I have. That's a wedge. That ain't a lift. No, his ankle's buffed in. He said, I thought wedges were back. Do you think his calves were sore afterwards? Literally. He's probably just trying to adjust every single time

they're like break, they're like, he's like, okay, stretch out those legs. It's crazy. Well, he'll be gone. Yes, and I couldn't be happier. But then there was rumors of Tom Sandoval. And Victoria. And Victoria, which it's like, there's gotta be more Bravo men.

No, there's got to be different Bravo men. There's gotta be someone else in the universe who we can get. But I don't think Bravo's gonna change. And I think we just have to be realistic that Bravo isn't gonna. They're just gonna continue to platform Toxic Men? Yeah. Yeah. And their original cast.

Probably. Because the US Sun has reported that Sheena Shay is a done deal to join the Valley cast after exposing husband Brock Davies cheating past. That's a wild headline. That is the headline. That's a headline. Do what you gotta do for your family.

But we will have Sheena back for season three, full-time cast member. The second season. Davies cheating past. That's a wild headline. That is the headline. You do what you gotta do for your family. But we will have Sheena back for season three, full time cast member. The Sisyphusian effort of Sheena Shay. It's good as gold, baby. It is good as gold. Do you feel like? I would rather not talk.

I mean, like we're just, but like we said last week, we're like, she's gonna be on the show. It's gonna give you something. I was like, Lala teased that she will also have a bigger role on this upcoming season of The Valley. I fuck with Lala. Yeah.

We need, if we're gonna have Sheena, we definitely need Lala. It's like a balance. Yeah. I would hope that we would get a little bit more Lala. What's their relationship like right now? Lala and Sheena, I feel like you don't really see them out together as much and they both have like

next door neighbor houses in Palm Springs and whatnot. I just feel like they're always really see them out together as much and they both have like next door neighbor houses in Palm Springs and whatnot. I just feel like they're always together during Vanderpump. Yeah, I feel like I see them post like they're kids together a lot. I do think they're like genuinely real life, really good friends. There's nothing she won't say for attention

and you know that's all she wants. And there's so there's nothing you can say when we talk about this show that won't just like feel the beast. But Jax Taylor is the same way and she's done all of it. I don't like talking about Jax Taylor. I know but the thing is like wouldn't you rather talk about Sheena than Jax? I'm sure you want to like call him every name in the book and throw stuff at the TV is that's what he says in every single cameo. I'm sure you wanna throw things at the TV and call every name in the book. Is Brock allegedly signed up

or is he just along for the ride? If Sheena is gonna be a full-time cast member on the Valley, you bet your ass we're getting some Brock Davies. But how does that work? Does like Bravo just assume they get a free Brock and all of his confessionals? Like, do they get like,

I guess you gotta talk about this. This is interesting. Cause Kristen Doty just came out and said that she like doesn't fuck with Brock, like at all. Oh yeah. I did see that. And so if we have them on. Do we know why?

She said he's not her cup of tea. Awesome. From like meeting, I think she's just never, she's never. Didn't get the vibe that she wanted to besties with him. Hey, guess what? I can't wait to see it. No, it's gonna be a good season.

Do we know if Janet's coming back? Probably. Sure, throw her in there too. At this point. If Shina's there, I think Janet will definitely feel more comfortable to come back. She has an ally. It's gonna be awesome.

Moving on, badly not forever. Rachel Rekia is with us to talk about our perfect match experience and if this is her final run on reality TV or if she will maybe be back for more, either way, we're gonna find out. Well, if you haven't cleaned out your underwear drawer in a while, here's your sign to do that and to replace all of that old crusty dusty underwear with some skims because skims underwear is

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and be sure to select our show in the drop down menu that follows. Rachel, welcome back. Things are having me. So good to be with you. How are you? I'm scared. How are you? I'm scared.

Why are you scared? You guys are tough, always. On who? I mean, you guys just say it how it is. We're gonna talk some shit today. We're gonna talk some shit today. We love that. Before we talk about your shit,

we were just talking about the Valley. You watched the Valley. I watched the Valley and I'm friends with a lot of the cast members. Who are you friends with? I love Zach. I'm friends with Brittany lot of the cast members. Who are you friends, I don't want to offend, who are you friends with? I love Zach, I'm friends with Brittany and Kristen. Great. Are you excited to see Sheena?

Well, I did pay 15 US dollars to get the audio book. Oh, period. Because I wanted to listen, because I've seen all the rumors. I'm like, let me figure this out myself. Honestly. 15 US dollars. 15 US dollars. I think it's smart. Like she held those cars so close to her chest

and she revealed them the moment she needed to, I'm sorry. Like well played, Sheena. She said, I have a family to feed. No, she definitely. That's playing chess. She collected, yeah. No, she. She could have pulled that out during last season of EPR.

And then everyone would have hated her and been like, oh my god. That's true, that's professional. Credit to Sheena, she was like, it's not my time. It's not mine. And now it is. And it got her cast. And it got her on the valley. Uh, fuck me.

Give credit, we'll credit it to you. Sometimes you gotta be like, these people are professionals. That's true. And that's exactly what she just said. Speaking of being a professional, you are now a professional reality TV star. No, I wouldn't say that.

I mean, look at my performance. I'm not really professional. I think once you start getting paid, then you're a professional. I mean, how did Netflix come to you being like, hey girl, perfect match? Yeah, it was crazy. I like the show.

I've watched seasons one and two and I was watching the second season and I got a call from my team and they were like, would you take an interview? And I was like, how? Like I'm not on Netflix. They're like, no, this season, like they're casting all outside.

And I was like, oh yeah, like that's so cool. It's never been done in a dating form. Yeah. And I really wanted to be part of the first time they did it. So they had you at Hello. Yeah, I really wanted it, which was crazy, because normally, like with Paradise, I was like fighting. I did not want to go. And I was like, I don't know. Okay, like maybe it'll be fun. But this one, I was like, it just seemed like something more fresh and fun. And I wasn't going to bring a bachelorette reputation into it.

Right. Well, a bachelorette reputation into it. Right. Well. Unfortunately. But I really wanted to like start over and that's why I wanted to do it. To show how different plans for you. No, genuinely.

I really thought. The universe. I was gonna be the only one cause I only knew one other person who interviewed and he turned it down. So I was like, it's just. Who's that? Blake.

Boins? Boins? Oh. Oh. I was like, isn't he married? I hope he's too, I'm like, wait how do you get a kiss? He's like, he and Nina and him are on a break so he can go on for Macbeth season four.

Okay. I'm like, I know she's part of the Netflix family but I didn't know it was like that close. Yes. Moins, okay. I honestly love that for him. Is he safaring right now? Is that why he wasn't available?

I just think he was like very on the fence about it. Like he just didn't know if it was right for him. And y'all are just like strictly friends. Yes. Yeah, oh my gosh, I don't know how many more times I. I know. I'll be saying this for the rest of my life. Did you date them too?

No, they're like, they go on their safari trips together. He's like taking her out into the middle of the ocean. Yeah, we're like flying over the animals. Like, you know, those vibes. It's very romantic, but like but not friends Yeah, so at what point well so when you you didn't know that Clayton was gonna be there But you walked in and here is ready told me Freddy And he played it so cool. We were on our date, and he goes oh like the bachelor like who season were you on?

And I'm like oh Clayton and Cindy just goes Alright, and then he like slowly told me he's like I just want to let you him when you're on? And I'm like, oh, Clayton and Cindy just goes, all right. And then he slowly told me, he's like, I just wanna let you know, when you walk in there, he's there. And so, Freddie's hot. Right. He's so hot.

Right. And you were on a date with Freddie. I was very lucky. That was an amazing first date. I saw him, I'm like, oh, thank God. I know that was great. Nothing against Clayton, but it seemed like as though, from what we watched, that you were more interested

in Clayton pursuing you than Hottie, Eddie. Eddie. Freddie. Freddie Eddie. Teddy. Abs. Does it really matter what his name is? Does it matter what his name is?

It just literally, I was very, he seemed very interested in you. See, I don't know, I was very shocked watching back, because in person I think we both have a very, we're not bombshells by any means, which is crazy that we were, because I don't feel like we are like, steal each other's man or girl, we're more passive.

Blink twice if you think he was afraid of Madison. I don't know if he was afraid, but he definitely wanted to give it a shot. And I think he, in a way, told me that, where I was like, all right, I'm not even gonna really push this. Like, if you come to me, you come to me, but it seemed more of he's like not open.

That's the right word. Like, he wasn't open, really. And then I heard all the, what he said in interview, and I was like, was that about me? Or like, I don't know if it was, because it was very shocking. It came across as like, he was gonna match with you, and then you interview and I was like, was that about me? Or like, I don't know if it was, because it was very shocking. It came across as like, he was gonna match with you and then you came to him being like,

I don't know what to do. Oh, I was freaking out. That probably didn't help my cause. My friends weren't very happy watching that. They're like, you didn't sit down with Freddie again? Like you're going and freaking out to him? I was upset, I was upset. You were.

Yeah. Freddie's hot. And Madison, again, haven't met her, don't know her. But if you get a chance to match up with Freddie, do you really blame her? Like, I would have taken that shot too. No, no, no, I don't mind her flip-flopping. Yeah, I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flip-flopping. I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping.

I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping. I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping. I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping. I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping. I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping. I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping. I was her being like, yeah, I don't mind her flipping. I was her being match up Freddie, do you really blame her? Like, I would have taken that shot too. I don't mind her lip-slapping. Yeah, and he's fucking disgusting.

Yeah, that was wild. She just, she instantly talks shit about like whoever she's lost interest in to the point of like she wants, she comes across on TV as that she wants to hurt people. I was gonna say, like emotionally hurt people or accuse them of shit. Like she just, she comes across as the definition

of hurt people, hurt people. Like I'd be, like I'm so glad Clayton didn't match with her. You know what I'm saying? Can you imagine? That kind of would have been fun to watch. I will say, I feel like she's a bit misunderstood. I think she's been through a lot. I've no doubt that I believe.

She also didn't see me as like a threat because Freddie picked, well, you know, once Freddie like picked her, she was like, okay. So I feel like she was definitely very like, she felt comfortable around me. She's like, I'm gonna believe me or I'll find you. I mean, she was fine to me. She's a great television.

I don't know what happened with Cody before, because that was all before I got there. So much went on. Breeze done it wrong or something. Before I got there. So I will not know. You'll have to ask me about that. Listen, we are, we have defended Clayton.

We love Clayton. We love Clayton. We are rooting for Clayton's overall happiness in life. Of course, me too. I genuinely am. But what he did, yes, was crazy. Was not defendable. Unforgivable.

I mean, I don't know if it's unforgivable. I mean, for me it was. It was my job. You kept saying this is the third time. What was the second time? The first time was the rose ceremony from hell. No, I remember that. Everyone tried to leave that night.

The way we were convinced to stay, everyone tried to leave. Gabby left. We all got to stay for one day. The next day, broke up with us in the room at the same time. Oh yeah. That's a second. That's two.

Yeah. That's two. The first time it was like, well, I slept with all of you or I'm in love with all of you. And then how did you get convinced to stay? Come on. I sat in a room in an ITF. Rachel, come on. Rachel, you're not going to leave him.

You're running away with this, babe. Let's just. I'm like, Rachel, come on. Rachel, you're not gonna leave him. You're running away with this, babe. Let's just, I'm like, okay. He needed to fuck them so he could know that he loves you. And I was like, you're right. I know he loves me. He said it to me first. I'm like, oh, he just got confused because of my fantasy sweet. Like, I was delusional. You guys watch how delusional I my fantasy suite. Like, I was delus-

You guys watched how delusional I was. I was like, I'm still delusional. Rachel, I was a runner-up twice. Two separate seasons. I can't even imagine that. Two different women. I left, went back to reality, came back, and let the same thing happen.

He thought he was gonna win both times. You just had, you just had, like, you had 24 hours of like, still like, never really out of Dulululand. I've, so. Every time I'm with Glade, I go back into a state of absolute delusion. Like I don't know what else to describe it.

What does he smell like? Is it really that good? Exactly. I don't know. I think he's got that pheromones, hormones scent thing. I think it really is everything that happened at the end of our season. Trauma.

Your trauma. And it's just this need for, I don't know if it's internal where I just am like, you made the wrong decision. And now you finally see it. Yeah. And that's what it felt like. It would have made sense if you would have agreed.

That's what's so fucked up about it. The reality is, is most people who are watching Perfect Match, I'm guessing like 2% of the audience knows the lore behind you and Clayton. We know it, obviously we followed it. No one on the cast knows. No one on the cast knows. Most of the audience like knows the lore behind like you and Clayton. Like we know it, like obviously we followed it. No one on the cast knows. No one on the cast knows.

Most of Netflix audience are like, they're just like, whatever, I don't care. But like we know, right? But like we wanted Clayton to pursue you. You go, yes. And then the next day you say my intuition or whatever. What did he say? I don't get it.

He says my intuition told me to jump in for a third time. It's so earnest about it too. It's like, that's why I feel bad for him. Things are speaking to me in the night and they're telling me this is not good. He really wants to be a good guy. I think, and genuinely, again, I'm not gonna speak that ill,

but we're gonna say it how it is. I think he came on this show because he did want that redemption. And I'm the easiest path to it. Like that was right in front of him and he saw it. I think he saw it and the next day he's like, oh, I genuinely, I can't do it. Cause it wasn't even, when I tell you that night,

we didn't even speak. Like him saying like, oh, we had the night and then we had this blindfolded kiss that I barely knew it was him. I kind of touched his shirt and kind of knew it was him. Like I was scared. Like, and then you're saying there isn't chemistry there. I'm touched his shirt and kinda knew it was him. I was scared. And then you're saying there isn't chemistry there. I'm like, we didn't even talk last night.

We talked about your spiritual journey and how production style is different. Like, you didn't even try to get to know me. He said, we're both better versions of ourselves. I definitely am. So that was like a nice thing to say. You're like, you know what? We owe it to each other.

No, he said everything happens for a reason and that's my screen saver. Oh my God, please, I want you back. I don't think I remember that happening. I was just sitting there like, and you laughed after and it was like, you know that you're like, this fucking guy. I was so confused and not to mention,

this is the first conversation I had in the house and immediately he's like, let's match. I'm like, no, and more loves to do that. What is happening? I was like, I haven't talked to a single, I didn't talk to any of the men that night because I was so confused and just like terrified. Yeah. But yeah.

And he had a good thing going. Like Juliette. No, I don't think he liked Julia. And I think Juliet like somebody else. She was ready to know she was poor. Juliet. Every time she tried to interrupt Clinton and someone, he was like, sorry, no, this isn't how this is supposed to work.

For her girl, I never watched the Bachelor. She knew a lot about the Bachelor, even about like the whole like, can I steal you? Like, like she was like, yeah, she knew a lot about The Bachelor, even about like the whole like, can I steal you? Like, she was like... Yeah, she's like, Rachel is his ex, they had sex, and they have feelings, and I'm like, oh. But I don't watch. And she never will. No, it was, he first went to Madison and was like, we should match, and Madison was like, I don't, I think I'm gonna, with Cody. And he was like, okay. And then matched with Juliet.

And then he came, he's like, I think we should match. And then on his date with Sandy, he was like, okay. And then match with Juliet. And then he came and he's like, I think we should match. And then on a date with Sandy he's like, and I feel like we should match. He said, see I didn't know any of that happened. So you're the only one who said yes. Juliet said yes. I didn't know he asked Sandy on her. I didn't know that happened.

I didn't know any of this. I didn't know what he was saying in interview because to me he was like, oh, like, it was very like performative mercy. Like, I'm going to give you the season and I'm going to put you on a date and step away. And then he's in his interview. I'm trying to put myself on a date tomorrow. Rachel's going on back to back.

And I'm like, you told me this is for me. What do you think Clayton's version is going to be when we talk to him? If he shows up? I think he's going to say that he was just so shocked by my reaction and that it just startled him and just seeing me got him like feeling feelings from the past that weren't really there. What I don't understand is why you,

obviously you're all living in a house. Y'all could have like continued to like chat and catch up not being matched. Genuinely. And I'm like, you could have let me walk out. Like I could have been like. You would have matched with Freddie. Freddie was ready to match with you.

I don't know. I really, I'm telling you being there, I don't know. But yeah, I didn't try again. Like me and Freddie had no conversations once we got to the house because I was so like... I don't know the right word. At least you had time to prepare. Break out.

Yeah. At least Freddie gave you a heads up and you like had time to prepare. Can you imagine if he didn't? You honestly walked in so iconic being like, I'm gonna go say hey to them and we'll talk. I'll circle back. I walked in thinking it was gonna be,

I went to Paradise with Avin, who I had fallen in love with on my season. So I was like, okay, it was gonna be I went to Paradise with Avin who I had you know Falling in love with them my season so I was like okay. This is gonna be similar where it's like we'll have a conversation You do you I'll do me and I sat down and you could see like I'm like laughing and then it goes straight into like I feel like we should imagine Mike. Oh god. Okay. I didn't see this Nazi it comes so what'd you guys do that night? I didn't see this happening. I did not see it coming. So what'd you guys do that night?

We talked about the difference between The Bachelor and this show, what's happened so far, and his spiritual journey. What was that? Like that he's just been on a journey and it's healed him, which I do think he's changed, but I think the same decision making is what's getting him in trouble, and that hasn't changed.

I think that's, it makes sense. He's definitely well intentioned. Those intentions. Those intentions. But yeah, he, and what's crazy is I think he thinks things through. I think he thinks things through. Why do you say that?

You do? Well, I mean, he thinks them through from his perspective. For not a long time, though. Not into the future, not past 12 hours. Yeah. It's not. I think he decides in the moment. He's not a psychic.

He can't predict his feelings. I think he's like, I don't know, I'm feeling this right now. And like Rachel, I think we should break up. I'm like, ugh. The way he is just earnestly was just like, my intuition just changed. And it was the same exact, like, I will never forget the way he looked

coming into Gabby's hotel room. Like that look, and he came back for the date, the same exact look, he goes, Rachel, can we talk upstairs? And I'm like, oh my God. This motherfucker. I literally was like, am I wrong? Am I wrong?

And he goes upstairs and starts telling me that. I'm like, get away from me. I'm like, I'm so upset because it's more than was like, am I wrong? Am I wrong? He goes upstairs and starts telling me that. I'm like, get away from me. I'm like, I'm so upset because it's more than just like, oh my gosh, this stings, this breakup. It's like, you're humiliating me. You know that you're doing this. You know that I have a willingness to forgive you. And you take advantage of it.

He really does. I mean, the fact that he sat there and was trying to convince you in a way of like, this doesn't just happen. Like the universe put us both here and like we're meant to be together. Like we've got to try at least. I think he sees it through that lens.

Like I think- But only for 12 hours. Whatever the reason. I mean, but like we, Clinton's been through a lot. We know this. Like his journey on reality TV is the most unfortunate. It's up there. So I think when he shows up and he sees Rachel there,

not to, but he's, yeah, I think he's just like, the guy who has everything happens for a reason as a screensaver is just more like, this is destiny, we should like, oh my God, this is a second chance, I can, you know? And then he wakes up and he's like, holy shit And then he tries to be honest in that moment and he just can't I know but I feel like he was also like doing a bit of like

revisionist history like oh Everyone saw thought we had chemistry, but I couldn't see it. I'm like Clayton You gave me every single group date Rose. I could possibly Mean and then what you try to give me and they said no. Like what? And then you slept with her and then you told her you loved her. And then you screamed it from a balcony

and then you begged me to say it and then you asked my dad to marry me and he goes, I didn't see it. I'm like, were we on the same season? No. And then after the kissing challenge on Perfect Match, he's like, I gave her six. And that's like, we must not be compatible.

I only knew it was you because I felt your shirt, babe. Like I, and I know how to play the game. I'm scared. Like we are sitting there in the heat on a platform with headphones on. I'm kissing every girl's boyfriend. It's my first day sober. Like of course I'm gonna be a bad kisser.

What do you mean? Like if I was a good kisser, I'd be scared. And also, I've said this before, on Love Island, when they do these blindfold kisses, it's like you startled me, right? Now I'm nervous. Why's your tongue in my mouth? I didn't know you were here yet, I can't see you,

I can't feel you, I don't know what's happening. It's terrifying. Did the guys go right in with the tongue? No, it felt like everything I did was very slow. It's funny too, because they said that I was Louis' worst kiss. And you can ask him, it wasn't me, because we all know who it was,

because he makes fun of her. He's like, you went in straight with the tongue, and she's like, God forbid a girl catches a vibe. I just feel like I've never done anything like that. Bachelor doesn't do that. So I was very slow. I am excited to see you continue on this show and see your, what did we learn about Lucy

that she likes butt plugs or something? Vibrating the mugs, butt plugs. I'm excited to learn things about you. Thank you. I'm excited. I hope you open up. You gotta be less rigid girl. Maybe use Lucy's vibrating blood. I'm curious watching about, I felt Daniel overreacted when Lucy made

out with Ali. Yeah. No, I get it. I get it. Like Ali has a big old beard and stuff. But like the challenge wasn't find your partner though calm down like You still got a line Daniel We're on a show where we allow other couples to break up your relationship Also, it's day maybe four at this point maybe four But that argument that wasn't even like that went on for a long time that started the moment we got in the van and for a long time. That started the moment we got in the van. And that's what they showed is a short clip.

Really, what does he mean? I just feel like, Lucy is just, she's my closest friend on the show, we're still so close. And like, she's so sweet. And I feel like she's so willing to forgive as well. And she wanted to make things work and kind of didn't want to upset him. But it seems like he got very embarrassed easily

because of the boys. Like the boys were so close, and I think knowing that Ollie got that higher rating like set him off, and he would just take it out on Lucy. Could you just imagine losing your mind because you got a nine, and someone got a 10? He's like, the point is the beard.

The point is the beard. It's like, that wasn't, she gave Ollie a 10 because he's dead. No, she knows. It wasn't you. He liked, she liked, I mean like. It's a good kiss. It's a kiss.

I think there was also like a hug that happened after that confused her, if I remember correctly. That's on him. Right, I think there was a point where she was like, okay, but then he hugged her and she was like, oh, so it's, so is that Daniel? Like, I think she got really, and it's like, oh, so it's super good. So is that Daniel? Like, I think she got really confused. And it's like, it's disorienting.

Like, it really is. The beard, like you would think you would like feel it. And he does have scruff. Yeah, they all, I mean, Clayton did. Well, and to be fair, I'm like, how many times do like, if you haven't seen somebody, like you saw somebody that week and it's like, do they have a mustache? I don't know. Right, yeah, I've heard everything about them.

I spent six hours looking at their face. I don't know if they have a mustache. Right, it's so early when that happened. So if I'm disoriented, eyes covered, head cut, like, you know, I'm just making out to make out. Did Alex come in just bragging about threesome or is that just how it was edited? So I, that- She's like, ah, fuck.

That aired like way after. So I had no idea about the threesome. But she came in like bombshell, like she was gonna steal your man. I remember seeing her and I'm like, you're gonna put us in at the same time? I'm like, come on, this is so not fair. She wasn't.

But she came in and she made, I think, all the boys question for a minute. But this season it's very like, if you're not there day one, it's really difficult to make a connection in the house. That's kind of giving Bachelor in Paradise as well this season, are you watching that? Yeah, unfortunately.

What do you think? Trauma? No, not trauma at all, I just am like really disappointed for everyone I know that went on. Because I think it had so much potential and it feels like it's really. Rachel Recke is the new showrunner, what does she do? No, I don't know.

She said, don't put that on me. She's like, I didn't apply actually. But don't have only six people on the beach. Six people. And also there's a rose ceremony every four hours. Jill had 24 hours, she said, her and Suzy. It's great. Normally you get three days, right?

I don't know. Jill was only there for 24 hours. No, she got to stay, I remember. But that first rose ceremony, it happened within 24. She went in the night before. The next day was rough. It's happening too fast. Yeah, and it's just there's,

you can't six people on the beach. Well, you can't really make genuine connections because at the end of the day, you're just trying to stay. Like maybe somebody that I am excited about by the way for right now. Do you like singing the Goldens mixed in? I do, but it's like hard because I don't like them seeing hurt and heartbroken.

And it feels like this isn't as wholesome. Where watching the normal show, it's very like, we hear their stories and then they go home and it's sad. But like seeing them get rejected or not get the person they want is not entertaining for me. Yeah. Honestly, I was kind of with Jeremy when he was like, I hate the Goldens. them get rejected or not get the person they want is not entertaining for me. Yeah. Honestly, I was kind of with Jeremy

when he was like, I hate the Goldens. On the TV show, it's it, yeah, I don't know. I love the nostalgia of the Golden Bachelor and the Bachelorette and the reminder that there's life after 60, you know, and you can fall in love and whatever. But like just- Not in this context, not watching April make out with Sean.

Yeah. Or it should have been two separate seasons, I feel like. Where it's like, so we can do the wholesome dates and whatnot and then do like the like, let's get down and dirty. What I'm finding to be just insane is that we have, this is the first time we're actually watching our contestants like do something, like compete. Like how have every season beforehand, we're actually watching our contestants do something, compete.

How have every season beforehand, we've just been watching everyone sit on a beach? We were pretty entertaining back then. I was gonna say, who was the girl that lost her luggage and then was just talking to the camera randomly, just being like, I can't find my luggage, I have no, it was just some of the most unhinged scallop fingers. It used to be a comedy.

Yeah, it used to be funny. But still, everyone is still here for the right reasons and still wants to find a connection. And I think this is the first season we're seeing yet where people are like, I'm here kind of for the game. I just want a rose. And it's allowed, where before, you could not ever do that on a bachelor show.

That's true. I do, I mean, first of all, I don't know, we'll get into paradise with Bailey a little bit more, but like that challenge. So much to say about that. Well, you're here. I feel so bad for Bailey.

That is insane. She still doesn't know. You know what it's like to be. I am the number one Suzy leftovers, please. That's crazy. Just change my name to that. That's crazy. Not only the leftovers, but he continues to talk about Suzie on this show. He continues.

He's like, I'm on. And I would propose to her tomorrow. It's like the same thing. Suzie, I don't know what you got. Suzie got that pussy power. I was gonna say, I don't know what's going on down there. She didn't even need to use it on The Bachelor. I think it's something more.

She's a witch. She is a witch. She's sick. I don't know what's going on down there. She didn't even need to use it on The Bachelor. I think it's something more. She's a witch. She was, she is a witch. She's a witch. She's sick. That's crazy.

No, the fact that Jeremy is just operating under the fact that like that never happened. And he's just fully saying it in front of the camera. Yeah. Like these hidden cameras, he did not think. It wasn't a hidden camera. It was in his chair. Isn't it like the stationary ones?

You think they're not on? He was in the ITM. When he called her, she was talking about whenever he was like, I want to propose. He didn't think they were... Or that they could hear it. Genuinely, because that was something I had to get used to. I've been seeing footage. I'm like, oh, don't remember that.

Like that must have been in this. Yeah, you just don't know what's on. I'll tell you when your mic pack is off. And then he goes and tells them anyways, I go, what did he do? He goes hot mic. If you're not 50 feet into the ocean. With your top off.

Yeah, facing the sea, you know. They will catch it. They'll catch it. No, that, I mean, what are your thoughts on Brian? That fantasy suite with Parisa was scary. He's a dick. That's trauma. That was actually scary.

What's your favorite color? And he got mad about, oh my God. You know what they should have done in that challenge? They should have asked Brian, like what is Parisa's favorite color? Oh no, they asked Parisa. Well, they're asking all the men the questions. And then he would have been,

it would have been like, you motherfucker, I told you. All you had to do was ask. We should have answered those questions. That was, he's mean, he's not nice. The one he did is Zoe too, like just the 180. He doesn't like a compliment. Don't tell him his hair looks nice. Don't tell him he looks good today.

Don't tell him you're happy to see him. And this is me being brutally honest. No, we're aware. No, yeah, he's like, yeah, I'm just being brutally honest. No, okay. I would like to see you try delivering it soft. What does that look like? Genuinely.

So scary. So there's no part of you that wishes you did paradise instead of perfect match. No. It would have been great if you would wishes you did Paradise instead of Perfect Match. No. It would have been great if you would have done both and you would have been on it. You really would have been. I would have, no, no.

The first, when I did Paradise, I was like, oh, I had a great time. I loved it. But I had no business being on that beach. Like, let's be so for real. So no, it was, it's a tough watch. What do you think of Louie? I love Louie.

Okay. What's happening now is crazy. You're talking about the whole like L'Veau, L'Imagel. Miguel. What's your read? I don't know their relationship, but it feels like, I mean. By them you mean Louis.

And Miguel. Miguel. And Leah and Leah. I don't know how far that goes. I love him as a person. I think he's amazing. I get along with him so well. He's such good TV, but it just feels like kind of selfish a little bit to like, I mean, Sandy and amazing. I get along with him so well. He's such good TV, but it just feels like

kind of selfish a little bit to like, I mean, Sandy and him have such a good connection on the show and it's like now people are kind of seeing things of like, oh, what's going on now? Have you talked to Sandy? How is she feeling? I mean, I think that that sucks. Yeah.

I can't speak for her. I'm sure you guys will talk to her. Had that been going on? I didn't know until I saw it on TikTok. Cause I just assume there's no perfect match, you know? There, I mean, I will say this, I feel like a lot of people are under the assumption that like, no, there's a lot still going on.

Like even just from that Netflix event, like there's a lot happening. What happened at the Netflix event? We were there. Oh my, there might've been more drama at that Netflix event than- Tell them, say more. We were there, why weren't we privy to the drama? Because we stayed out of it.

We thought we were better than everyone. And I wasn't even at that hotel. Like I didn't even stay there. There's still stuff going on. It might've been a year ago, but. With who? With who, just give it to me. I don't know, maybe me.

You don't have to tell us the what, but tell us the who. I don't know. Do you know how Sandy felt about Louie and Huda? I actually don't. You're gonna have to ask. I have to wait. But for me, I'm like, that's just disappointing.

Okay. How do you feel about it? I just am like, it's literally airing, we have what, maybe two weeks? Right. You couldn't wait until maybe leave some. It feels like a little selfish. Yeah. Just because people are watching

and I think it affects the whole cast of people being like, oh, why would I watch then? Because all these couples, we already know about AD and Ollie but there is more but. Well at least with AD and Ollie, we love. Love, genuinely. Pregnant, together, building a family. So happy.

I'm fine with that spoiler. Yeah. What? I didn't know that. Oh my God. Living under a rock. Dirt is making a family. I just remember the last, was it Love is Blind or whatever

when they came out and announced the podcast that they were engaged. Yeah, and I was like, okay, great. And I love that you're seeing it from the very get-go that they were just drawn to each other, but yeah, I didn't realize that so much has happened. And they go through it on the show too. They test their relationship.

Yeah, so it's not like it's all these. Yeah, the beard. Alex. Yeah. Alex and Justine, they went through it. So for them to be on the other side, it's like watching it back, you watch them build and grow

and have to have hard conversations. What did you think of JR? He was very... Intense? Very sexual, like they even, oh my god, they cut out this one part and it was crazy. Like he came back and was talking about his date with AD and we were all just sitting on the couch

and I don't remember what the conversation was and he's like, you know, AD, ass and tits. And we're like, every single person on the couch was like, what? And that was just his approach going in. Like, sexual. He started us with the bow files, actually. Bow files.

He started bow files. His biggest turn on is what? Stealing your girl kind of thing. That's what he said. His biggest turn on is stealing your girl and then watching your man fight. Watching them struggle. Struggle to get her back.

To get her back, yeah. I'm like, okay, cool. That's your biggest turn on? Cool, bro. Like, tell them they're toxic without telling us. No, he told us. He told us, that was crazy. But him and Sandy do have a lot of history

and it's not even over. Like there is more to that story as well. So I wonder if they would have approached things differently had Ultimatum already aired before they went on Perfect Match. Like if they would have already known the public's perception of their relationship, had they, you know.

I mean, there's more to it. Like it's not over. It's not over. So what happened in the Netflix party? Can't tell you. Why? Well, I'll tell you after. Who?

I can't tell you without it all making sense. Lots of people, you know, fighting. Who's fighting? Couples getting back together. So any chance with you and Freddie? Maybe not Freddie. you know, fighting, couples getting back together. So any chance with you and Freddie? Maybe not Freddie, but who knows? Why, why wouldn't you date Freddie?

Freddie calls you out. I might be talking to someone. She's, oh. Oh. Harrington? I don't know. Can we get a letter? Who could it be, who could it be?

Well, she's currently with Scott. Where's Scott? It could be Scott. Scott. Love Island? No, it's not Scott. Love Island. No, well he was on Love Island,, she's currently with Scott. Or Scott, it could be Scott. Scott. Love Island? No, it's not Scott. Love Island. No, well he was on Love Island,

but now he's with Rachel. There's three Love Island guys, we'll say that. I don't know which one though. Oh. It's Scott. Okay. Lea, have we asked Rachel all the relevant questions? Well, I mean, speaking of Scott,

I am curious to know if you clocked him taking the last seat on the couch and not giving it to you. I know. Watching that back was actually so sad, but Madison was really sweet. She got up, pulled something over for me, but in the moment, I think I was just like, I don't even think I recognized it happening, but a lot of the things he said and did, I was like, oh my God, that was so mean, but we were having fun, which is all that mattered.

Yeah, so it's definitely not Scott. It's not Scott. Definitely not Scott. No, that was actually crazy. No, that was so mean. But we were having fun, which is all that mattered. Yeah, it's definitely not Scott. It's not Scott. But, no, that was actually crazy. It could be maybe he apologized. You guys know I love a second chance and a third and a fourth. I am just so full of forgiveness. Carrington. That's what I'm guessing. It's not Carrington. That's really cute. I do love that.

I don't know. It could be Rey. Is it Rey? It's not Rey. It's not Carrington. That's really cute. I do love that. I don't know. It could be Ray. Is it Ray? It's not Ray. You're trying to see it in a different direction. I don't know you guys. My intuition knows that it's Carrington. It's either Carrington, Ray or Scott.

That's really cute. I love that for you. Are you a Nick Lachey fan? I do like Nick Lachey, but I don't feel like I relate to him like I do to Jesse. Like he has a relationship with us. I don't feel like Nick. Nick didn't. do to Jesse like he has a relationship with us I don't feel like Nick Nick didn't I mean he didn't say hey Yeah, but Jesse like you know he's just such a great host. It's hard to compete. I just big Jesse

Although Jesse did kind of let kind of Jesse's fault what happened to you with Clayton? Yeah, and then he went to eat at the hotel across the street. We still joke about it He goes I said hi to you, and I went and to eat at the hotel across the street. We still joke about it. He goes, I said hi to you. And I went and let the whole place blow up. And went mad and I stayed here. Was that Jesse's first season? Yes, his first Bachelor and Bachelor season was crazy. Because then he came down and he was like, all right, well, good luck.

He set me and Gabby up the stairs and all hell broke loose. He's like, well, that sounds like that sucks. Well, I'm going gonna go get some shrimp. Genuinely. Are you thinking of like hooking any of these guys up with Genevieve? I'm always thinking about hooking guys up with Genevieve. I don't know.

I would actually say she would probably be, she would like Louis, she would like Daniel. I don't know. I feel like those are maybe the only two that are kind of her type. Is Freddie in a relationship with someone? Is that why you refuse to? I mean, he also does, like, he lives in the UK, right?

I will say, I do really like Freddie with someone. They're not, but I could look back and see him doing really well in a relationship with someone. Okay. But does it mean that they're not seeing someone? Like, everyone is kind well in a relationship with someone and they go, okay. But doesn't mean that they're not seeing someone, like everyone is kind of in a weird situation, but maybe him and Madison are still together. I hope not.

We can't give any spoilers, I'm gonna, Netflix is gonna sue me. We definitely hope not. God, that would be. Sweet Freddie. They were really like, I thought him and Madison, like were one of our most. The most toxic relationships always start off great.

I know, but they don't do anything toxic really. Like what do they do that's toxic? That's because Freddie's an angel. Even when they were ripping him away from her, he wrote her a no and I gave it to her. That sounds like Freddie. It was really sweet. No, Freddie's really sweet.

He's a really good guy. He's really sweet. Like he is as sweet as you look. Wait, I have one more question for Rachel. Okay. So when Juliet left, you said to the cameras, one thing I know for sure, Clayton and Rachel are boring. Have you spoken to Juliet since and like, how did that make you feel? I will say this. I do love Juliet. I think with Juliet, she definitely, she spent her life on reality TV in a way I cannot understand.

That was her real life for years. So I think when she is filming, she's in a different. She's making TV. She's making TV. And I can respect that because I think what Juliet says about me isn't how Juliet actually feels. Maybe she'll come sit here and be like, I hate Rachel, but I'm trying to look at her more as like.

A TV maker. Yes. I'll say that. You you really come along with a character under you know you really have I have yeah I don't feel like I have look at me crying you used to really hate us yeah no because you were mean no but you were mean and you made this full video about how I didn't like Avin and I really loved Avin, and I was like, this is wrong. Fuck me. And I remembered that video, and I was like, he's saying, you were saying how I didn't like Avin, and I only liked Tino, and I was trying to like, make it Avin's fault, and then everyone agreed with you,

and I was like, no, Avin 180'd, and I freaked out, and I just was like, all right, wrong. No, but the same premise with Juliet, that she's just working. I don't feel like I was working, though. No, you weren't then, but the same premise with Juliet, that she's just working. She's just working. I don't feel like I was working though. No, you weren't then, but now you understand that you are working with people who are working.

I understand that from doing Netflix. I never experienced that on The Bachelor. But now you know. The Love Island people, especially, they know what they are doing. And I come from a mindset of like, even though this is fun, I still genuinely want to find a mindset of like even though this is fun, I still genuinely

like want to find a man like a boyfriend or like this could be something for me and it's fun but they are like I gotta get a bed so next weekend I'm like what's the price? Isn't that true? No you're right though because like well on Bachelor it is just ingrained into you that you have to be genuine. You cannot have the wrong intentions and so you're just like ingrain it into yourself that like I am only fucking here for love. Don't anyone question my motives.

Genuinely though, but I feel like that. Like I still am there because I do. Sure, but I think in Bachelor World, you can simultaneously be open to meeting people and genuinely wanna meet someone and also recognize that like you signed up for a TV show. Yeah, but this one, it's just very out in the open, it feels like.

Have you noticed difference in fans, Netflix fans versus Bachelor Nation fans? I feel like it's been a really slow, slow start. I'm not even really seeing anything of what people think. I'm like, what do people think about the show? I feel like it's... No, maybe you're just not looking. I don't know, I don't search for it,

but normally with bad story, it's like, it's right in your face and people tell you how they feel. And I haven't really seen much so far. Well, you're gonna stick around for Bailey? Yeah. Great. Up next, Bailey joins us to talk about her feelings regarding the whole Susie Germany of it all.

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you're paying through the roof and you're still complaining about your servers. So stop doing that and make the switch to Mint Mobile today. Bailey, welcome to the show, calling in from Portugal, apparently. From Portugal. How are you guys? We're great. It's nice to meet you guys.

Great to be with you. First off, what are you doing in Portugal? So I live here part-time. My mom and my sister live here. We've lived here for a few years, and I just come every few months and try to stay for as long as I can until they kick me out of the country.

So. Nice. I've never been to Portugal, you recommend? Oh my God, you have to they kick me out of the country. So. Nice. That's so nice. I've never been to Portugal, you recommend? Oh my God, you have to come. It's literally the best. All you do is like drink wine, eat good food. I shop a lot, do some sightseeing. It's really a really easy way of life.

I love it here. My dream day. Cute. Cute. Okay, Huda. I actually saw Jeremy post, I think he's in Portugal. A few people have actually been from our cast, have been in town this summer.

So it's been fun. I've gotten to see a few people. Sean was just here a few days ago. So yeah, it's been nice. I feel like as people pop in, they ask me for recs and then I send them on their way. But it's a really, it's an easy spot to come visit, especially.

Well, you know what BIP stands for, Bachelor in Portugal. So, you know. Bachelor in Portugal, everyone's coming. Actually, I have promised Kathy a trip. So when I did Bachelor Happy Hour, I promised Kathy and Susan that we would go on a Portugal trip.

So I need to fulfill my promise very soon. We would also like a promise. Yeah, we're gonna be there tomorrow actually. Red Eye? If you're handing out invites, we'll take a couple. Well, Bailey, we've absolutely been enjoying you on Bachelor and Paralyze this season. You've been a class act.

You've been the epitome of honesty and straightforwardness, a great communicator. The man that you are currently hanging out with seems to be the opposite of that. Rachel is here, is here, because we were talking some perfect match. She's also a fan of Bachelor in Paradise. Obviously we saw the previews for next episode

where it seems like maybe shit might hit the fan, but you are watching it along with us and I am curious, like what was it like for you a few weeks back going on the date that you were asked to go on, that you had every right to say yes to? It is Bachelor in Paradise. It seems like it's about testing the relationship.

And as soon as that happened, Jeremy freaks out, goes full Suzy Evans, calls her bags, kicking, screaming, crying, throwing up just like needs Suzy back in his life, gets rejected by Suzy, then tells his boys he's like dead set. He's ready to propose. He's in love. He's in love with Suzy Evans. Doesn't happen. And then you come back from the date and it's as if it never happened.

How was that for you watching it back? Yeah, let's start there. Yeah. I mean, I think everyone can relate. Watching it back is such an interesting thing. I feel like you're watching it happen in real time. You have no idea all these things happen. I, I honestly was like, I think so focused on

Bachelor in Paradise when I was there. I really wasn't thinking about watching it back later. It's definitely been hard to watch it back. I'm obviously not gonna lie. Like it's been rough to watch these happen. You know how you felt in the moment and it's hard because you're also seeing how other people feel in the moment.

Obviously like Rachel, you can relate to this. Not everything is like always shown During paradise. There's so many different relationships forming and things happening that they only have enough time to like, you know Show a little bit of peace of everyone if I mean like two episodes ago. All I got was gum sharing So really I was like I was happy to be like out of the limelight for a little bit. And I like, I understand the like thoughts of doubt. I feel like that was really hard to watch somebody, you know, doubt you when you know how you're feeling. But I also feel like, you know, I have to just

like be okay, watching it back and just having I just have to be okay processing it because like, you know, I'm remembering how I felt in the moment and I don't regret my feelings and how I was moving. So like I just I honestly just have to be like content with like where I was and just focus on me and my feelings coming off of this episode. Just like remembering how good our date was and things like that. I feel like that's what I'm trying to keep in the back of my head. It's also like, it's such a short time. Like it seems like it's such a long time and it's kind of a short amount of time. And so you're really having to process those feelings. And I mean, I wish Jeremy didn't process them out loud, but I guess I also

just like have to be okay because like, I don't regret like going on our date and all these things, you know what I mean? I'm so glad I went on the date with Andrew. I feel like I wanted to make sure no matter when I left paradise that I would leave with no regrets. And if I didn't fulfill it to, you know, if I didn't do as much as I could, then I would have definitely like had moments of doubt as well.

And so I feel like they kind of just like sneak up on you. And it's a hard watch no matter what. That makes sense. And obviously you seem like a very classy person, and you're being classy. I think what confuses most people, though, is, I'm assuming you wish that Jeremy would have told you sooner, or that he would have moved differently and been more transparent.

It's one thing for him to, like you said, maybe he was just having a moment. He was kind of sharing those feelings out loud to everyone, including us and the cameramen. But it was just more that he shared it with everyone but you. He's just operating as if this is the only right, if he's not doing anything wrong.

Where it's almost like, why would I tell her? You know, it's none of your business. Stay out of me and Bailey's relationship kind of energy. But maybe you see it differently. I mean, I feel like it's hard. I think in the moment, I wish that, you know, definitely I would have known, like he was having these feelings of doubt.

I don't necessarily know that they would have like changed how our relationship progressed. I feel like we would have progressed the same way. I mean, I do feel like, you know, there's moments where we had a lot of like open and honest communication. And I can't like speak to where his mental was and like, where his head is at, obviously. Of course, I wish that, you know, I would have been told about the phone call immediately. I wish that my friends would have told me about the phone call. It does suck when like everyone's in on something and you're not. It's like, it's a, that's

a really hard processing. I feel like that's kind of what I'm processing right now is like, you know, the idea that like I was the last person to find out. Um, and it's hard. I think there's so much going on that sometimes you don't think that things are critical for people to know. And it's also hard. We're also in the beginning stages of getting to know each other and knowing each other deeper. And I think sometimes what people feel like is an important factor.

I think for a lot of my friends as to maybe why they didn't tell me, they just didn't think that I wanted to know. We definitely had a conversation after my date with Andrew where I don't think it was shown on camera, but we just spoke to each other and I was just like, you know, do you want to know about my date with Andrew? He said he didn't want to know. I said I didn't want to know about his date with Susie. He asked me after his date if I wanted to know about the date.

I had no desire to know about the date because honestly, it's like, what can you do after like, I don't care if you guys kiss you guys didn't kiss, it doesn't matter how many times you guys made out like, that's not really going to change where we are now. So I feel like, I don't know what what I think is important for people to know not necessarily everyone else does. And so I think I'm also trying to be like, give everyone grace and understanding of everyone having, of everyone not telling me, him included. I wish that he would have told me. I wish that it obviously wasn't Brian. I think Brian's a good person.

I don't have anything against him, but yeah. Obviously you want the person that you're involved with to tell you, or you want the people closest to you to tell you, so yeah, it's a hard watch no matter what. What do you make of Brian's behavior towards Parisa and his, I mean Brian seems to be like top guy in the sense that a lot of these men really seem very sensitive when it comes

to their very particular ways of dating. Brian being the most sensitive and he just kinda comes across as a dick a little bit. Not sure if you saw that being on the beaches of paradise, but he just seems to be very dismissive and short with Parisa. And I wonder if you saw that energy on the beach, or is that something that is surprising you

watching it back? Okay, so I feel like the thing is I definitely there were moments where you noticed that like people's relationships are just having you know little little things. I definitely knew about his like mini little like I don't want to call it a freak out but his like little mini situation. I didn't know in depth. I didn't know it was like about colors or things. You know there's we're also seeing a small part of their date. They obviously have like a whole night in the VIP suite. But like, I definitely think there's moments where people's energy shift and maybe they're just like overwhelmed. I can tell you like Birds of Paradise was like the most overstimulating night of my life. There was so much going on. We, you know, we had, everyone was

like having a little drink here and there. It was a long night. I do feel like, you know, him and Prisza like matched up well, but yeah, I think it's hard. Like there's moments where you just notice things and you're like, okay, maybe I wouldn't be okay with that. But like, I can't say what everyone would and wouldn't be okay with in their relationship. So I feel like it's kind of hard.

I think I noticed a switch up when him and Zoe, like when the new girls were coming in that day, he definitely had a shift in energy. So I think maybe he's like, I don't know if he knows how to process his energy as well as like all the girls do. And I think there's a lot of moments where I feel like the guys are processing at a totally different speed than like what we are. And you know, we're always thinking about the bigger picture and like what you know, there's so much more to like,

what's going on. And sometimes they're like really just like living in the moment. I don't think that Brian is like a dick though. What were your thoughts on watching the way Jeremy kind of handled Brian the night of like you having to choose who was going home and Brian kind of like pitching his reasoning to stay.

How did you feel like Jeremy handled that? I feel like Jeremy was like kind of kidding during that moment. I think like we were kind of making jokes with Brian and Priza before like you know if they wanted to like I don't know I don't know the word is like bribe us like you know if they were to win they could like share the money with us. We were just like doing silly jokes. So I think I was a little bit shocked that Brian thought that I would send him home. Like that was one of the that was definitely my hardest decision of paradise. And like, I think you can see how emotionally like distraught I am during that moment. But I feel like I didn't know that Brian was taking it as really serious that he was really

scared that we were going to send really serious that he was really scared that we were gonna send him home. It was never a thought in our minds. Obviously in the moment, you still need to hear everyone out and be really open to like all choices. But I came into paradise like having no idea that I was gonna have to make that intense decision. And so having to end somebody's journey short

was definitely shitty, but I can't imagine doing that to my friend. And I consider Brian and Parisa both friends. Parisa and I share a best friend, even though we weren't best friends at the time. I can't fathom doing that to either of them. And Jeremy and I had already spoken about that. So I think Jeremy went into the conversation with a little more of a joking vibe, obviously not knowing what could happen later going into next week. I mean, you never know, it's paradise.

So like things happen. Who is the best friend that you and Parisa share? Sarafina from Grant Season. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, got it. When the announcement of the money coming into play for paradise, A, like how did that change things for you? And my second part is, was there anybody's behavior

that you were shocked by once they heard about the money, like how they were moving at Paradise? Yeah, I feel like when they announced the money, I think my initial thought was just like, holy shit, I didn't sign up for Survivor. And then I think my next thought was just like, oh, okay, like it's kind of more relationship tests. So I just felt like keeping along

with the same point of paradise, like you come with the mindset that you're like going to paradise to leave in a relationship. And I just felt like my initial thought was just like, if you're not working towards loving your partner or really liking your partner and wanting to be with your partner, there's just no way you're gonna win this.

So it doesn't even matter. Like, yes, $500,000000 is absolutely amazing and it's insane. But the only people that are going to win it are the people that are in love or working towards really knowing their partner or really building their relationship so that it lasts out of here. So I feel like, I think a lot of the guys were like, holy shit, just like, oh my God, that's so much money. And I think a lot of the girls were like, okay, so we came here to like, get engaged. We need to like keep working towards like getting engaged because like, that's the point. I mean, it was weird. It's like a weird shift. You're like, slightly happy that you're not having

to worry about anyone else coming in. And then you're also like, oh my god, now I'm waking up in fear every day of what Jesse's gonna throw at us just like having no idea what's going on. So I feel like it was just like, oh, that night, like it was just like a wave of confusion. You're just like, so much could happen. And I was so scared. I was like, are they gonna like make me eat cockroaches? I had like so much fear. Like that was my biggest fear. I was like, what am I gonna have to do to like get this amount of money? And then I was also just like, oh, you're not going to win if like you don't love your partner.

So like if you don't really like your partner, that's the whole point. So I think we all knew that that was like part of it because it was so it's relationship based challenges. So yeah, I think more just like fear, excitement, because like, that's so cool. And also just like a lot of nerves. And I don't feel like anyone like really had too intensive like a strategy going into it. I think people were like, trying to figure out especially like what the first week of challenges. So I think people were just trying to figure out, is everyone going to like switch up and make this into like, you know,

an intense like survivor where you're like sending home your friends. And I guess for that we're just gonna have to like keep and see what happens in the upcoming weeks. I don't know if this is relevant because we don't know what happens at the end, but do you think Jeremy knows that a wedding costs more than $56,000 was it?

That Brian. Oh yeah,000, was it? That Brian? Oh yeah, Brian, yeah. Brian and Frisa are never gonna make it. I don't know if they leave the bitches of paradise together. I don't know, but this boy's in for a rude awakening if he can't even talk about colors and the next thing he's gonna find out that he has to drop more than 56 Gs on a wedding.

Their questions were hard. I felt like they got hard questions. And well, it was hard because in that moment, we were so excited that we won that challenge. Obviously, this is not shown, but we spent so much time. Majority of the questions we got, you don't get to see all the questions, but majority of the questions we got,

we had already spoken about. So I think that was nice. I think a lot, you know, the questions are randomized. So like, we haven't had that question. But like, in my head, I would know that a wedding costs more than $56,000. I'm like, Oh, that's like, wow, you got a cheap wedding at this point. Like, do you know how much a venue is? You know that Brian was just like, I would never, I will never spend that much money on my wedding. When you're married in the backyard.

When you're married in the backyard and she's going to love it. You know that's Brian's problem. The one question that Brian and Parisa got, it was like, how much money have you spent on an article of clothing? And I was like, oh, this is like easy. I was looking at, I remember watching them answer the question. I was like, this is so easy. Brian is wearing scotch and show soda pants right

now. He's literally wearing scotch and soda pants and he has Louis Vuitton like slides on I'm like this is like, like $300. I'm like, are you checking your bank statements? I was like, I was like, but then at that moment, like you're in the challenge and you're not even thinking about that. And like, obviously, I'm sitting back. So I'm just having time to watch it. I'm like, yes, they're gonna get this one. And then I realized, I was like,

maybe everyone like isn't intensely obsessed with clothing like I am. So maybe everyone wouldn't know how much this like random men's brand costs. Like I have a little brother. So I just feel like it was hard. Like we got really lucky with our questions being the first one, like how many texts?

Cause we all talked about that that morning together as a group. And unfortunately I was the person with like the most unread texts. So it just came out like that we got lucky that day, but yeah. I have 217 currently unread. So I already think you won't know.

It's like in the 1600s right now. It's really bad. Bailey that's insane. I mean, mostly my 217 are- Or for me. Yeah. It's like, hello, me again. I think it's like five group chats.

If those five group chats didn't exist. It's his family group chat. Well, most of them are my family group chat. Oh, like group chats mute it. I do not disturb immediately. It's done. Those are done. Somehow people break through. A lot's been happening this season.

So I think people have been texting me and they're like, oh, Bailey's not responding. And I'm just like, guys, I'm overwhelmed. Well, after this episode, they'll probably be like, oh, it's not just us. They're like, oh, she doesn't hate me. We're not alone. Well, Bailey, we'll let you get back to Portugal, whatever it is you're doing out there. Tell Jeremy we said hi, if that is relevant, just kidding.

I don't think I'm gonna run into him, unfortunately, but. It's too bad. Because we were at the beach this morning. Maybe you can find that beach, maybe. Dang. And you know, I've literally been shopping all day. So I'm heading home soon. Yes. It's so different.

Yeah. I got to get all my European brands out of the way. Yes. It's been a pleasure, Bailey. Thank you for taking the time. It was lovely chatting with you. Good luck the rest of the way. We're rooting for you.

And it's always great to catch up. Thank you guys. I'm happy to be here. It was so nice to meet you guys. Have a good week. Bye, baby. Bye. Period.

She said say less. That man had a gun to her head. No. Jeremy had a gun to her head. He was in that room. Oh? No. He had a couple of gun to his head.

I've never seen someone defend a man who did that dirty. No, I mean, just had like no... We have. I've never seen someone defend a man who did that dirty. No, I mean, just had like no. We have. I've never seen that before. Love is blind. I'm like, I feel like we have so many people were like, but he said, and they're like, yeah,

but like it was just like a moment. And you're like the whole time. She's just like reading off, like sometimes there's things you don't get to see. When a producer is telling you, no, no, no, don't call, and you're still like, no, call Suzy. Call Suzy, Shabby's like, no.

Don't, don't do it. And he's still pushing. I think he meant it. I don't think it would have mattered, she says. You know, maybe they've. Stand up, Bailey. Maybe next episode. Do they win?

We'll see them work through it. It has to be Justin Spencer, right? I have no idea. I actually don't know because they're being very tight lipped. I mean, they're definitely together in Portugal. Oh, I saw he was there. Just Jeremy don't post right now. If you don't want people to know, like don't, why are you?

He's like, Bailey's going on the vollefiles. I'm getting on a plane. She's like, Sean is here too, I'm like, okay. She's like, so many people from Paradise are here, like so many. But like Bailey's actually in Portugal and I love that she's only posting promotional for like Bachelor in Paradise and then he's like.

He's like, I'm in Portugal. You know why though, cause he wants people to know that she forgave him. No, because he thinks they won't go as hard probably. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's just like, yeah. When a couple's together, you have to protect them to some degree,

which means it's probably worse. That's my thing. You're worse, what do you mean? Like when they're protecting a couple that makes it, they always edit things out. Like they don't show every single thing. So what do you think Bailey's might be hiding? No, I think they're together and then production's like,

how can we just like calming down the edit a little bit. But either way, if Bailey's with them, then she's, I mean. I guess for her, she's happy. But you can't tell me that that was just a lapse in judgment. It went on for days. Yeah. He said it immediately after. If we see next episode, him be like, take full accountability, apologize, and like-

He doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. We'll see. He has to have done something for Bailey to have forgiven him and not wanna like talk one ounce of shit. Could it be gas litter? What do we think? That was the craziest thing, I don't know.

I mean. Bailey, we love you. I'm a huge Bailey fan. She's the, like, I feel like she's the it girl. Every guy wants her. I loved her day with Andrew. I was like, I saw that. I know.

I really liked them together. But just if we were like, objectively speaking, if you're just watching as a friend from afar, like, do you wish better for Bailey? I mean, of course, but I also feel like, I mean, isn't Alex her closest friend and she didn't tell her? She told Jill and Kat. Right, which is crazy.

She heard from Brian, I didn't know this. And immediately not going to your girl and being like, oh, I'd be sprinting. If that was Jill, they'd catch me running. Brian couldn't have even finished the sentence. And I would be in that room. I'd be like, I don't really know what he said me running. Brian couldn't have even finished the sentence. And I would be in that room. I'd be like, I don't really know what he said

because I came to you so fast. But I heard it, he called, suit, and I came to you. I think they're engaged. Oh my gosh, wait. I didn't even think that that could be a possibility, please, no, crazy. Could you imagine someone goes up to Bailey and be like, just so you know that your boyfriend is engaged

to another woman right now. Yeah, so they actually, they left the show together. Yes, she said yes. I think they're in love. Crazy. Well. Well, we'll tune in next week. We'll tune in next week.

We'll be watching Bailey. All right, well. Well, thank you for having me. Rachel, it's always good to catch up with you. Thanks, guys. Love you. Good luck the rest of the way. It's just, you seem like you're doing well.

You look great. You just really seem like. I am happy. Yeah, it's been a good thing. When we first met, you were just more of a shell of yourself and now you're just a shining bright star. Thank you. This compliment means so much.

We gotta stitch that with the video of him roasting me. I didn't even know you then. I was just like talking about a silly show. Oh, how things change. We're best friends now. We are. Always good to see you, Rachel. Good to see you. Goodbye.

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But then Katie leaves the party crying. Oh no, and just as we think it's gonna get boring from there, who shows up? But Tamra, motherfucking judge. And for backup, Miss Joe De La Rosa. If you don't know, Joe is Slade's ex-fiance that Gretchen has feuded with at BravoCon as recently as 2023. But don't worry, they're not looking for any drama. In fact, they say a little prayer for peace on the way. However, God does not seem to hear them. Although she did hear us, because we must mention the different reads Gina and Emily have for Gretchen, which are a fake

person like she dips herself in formaldehyde every night and a Barbie filter from 2003. God bless us everyone. The rest of the episode is fine. Gina calls stress balls a metaphor for de-stressing. Jen and Ryan get matching veneers. Tamara's daughter serves sky-ferrera realness while piercing ears, but then an accusation of more fraud. This time, journalistic in nature is thrust upon Katie. And uh-oh, Tamra begrudgingly meets with Jen. Instead of doing what I assume she's working on in therapy, which is forgiving, releasing anger,

taking accountability, et cetera, Tamra throws a little baby rumor out on national television that Jen cheated on Ryan and compared her to Norman Bates himself. But before you judge, Tamra judge, and compared her to Norman Bates himself. But before you, Judge Tamar Judge, remember the road to healing takes many forms. Overall, is Katie going to radar online herself and to Lisa Vanderpump territory? How will Heather handle this ever evolving housing market?

Tune in next week to find out on the Real Housewives of Orange County. The fact that this is two episodes at this damn party that no one is at is crazy. It is awesome. I'm really disappointed. I loved this episode. But like, can we talk about the parties? The party's empty. It's empty.

Tamara walks in, no one is around her. No one. It's so funny. They kept showing shots of an empty party. The party that like for two episodes ago, they wanted us to believe that Heather and Terry are so rich that they're just wasting money on these parties, which we all know they're not paying for.

Come on, get some fans in the room. Take their phones, you know? Like, fill up the room, at least. Was it on like a Tuesday night? I just, where was everyone? The vibes of the party did seem weeknight in nature. It did seem weeknight. It seems like people, like kids at school in the morning,

people had to work. She said, I need enough space to be able to chuck ice, shot glasses, at a gong. Without people getting hit. I can't get sued. Can't get sued. Who was Gina and Gretchen? Who was the third person in that group

when Gina said to Gretchen and other person I can't place, when she goes, we all look the same. Is it Jen? And Jen and Gretchen were like. No we fucking don't. Fuck we do. So I look the same. Did any of you clock that?

I was. Gretchen and Jen do not think they look like Gina. Or the rest of the women. But then also you have Gina and Emily saying Gretchen looks like she dips herself in formaldehyde every night. No, that's a crazy thing to say about someone. Awesome.

That's crazy. And honestly. It was the Barbie filter from 2003 for me and then the emphasis. No, but like 2003. 2003. I was like, what was going on in 2003 with the Barbie filter?

I don't think we had filters in 2003. We did not. Do we even have Instagram? No, that's just someone saying that like, you know, and I get it, cause I'm older. It's like 2003. It's like, oh, that wasn't that long, Gail. And they're like, no. That was 20 years ago.

That was 20 plus. Do your math. Do the math. Gina's crushing. I do love Gina. As a real estate, like, I don't think, I mean, props to her. Like that's a real.

10 million, what'd she say last year? I don't know what, I don't know what's commissioned on, but she's making a million dollar side hustle. 100%. And like, she's really focused too, like her and her husband, boyfriend? Boyfriend. That's the reality of the person I can get behind,

like someone who's doing something with their life, in addition to the drama they're bringing to the show. Not just- Tamra, I love Tamra, the bitch. I love her. We'll be joining us for going deeper tomorrow. I'm very excited about this. A very deep look into who is Tamra Judge?

Is she good? Is she evil? Is she just a really great TV star? Is she clocking in? She's clocking in. Does she clock out? Does she clock out? That's what I'd like to know.

I started, I did not finish, cause sometimes I fall asleep to YouTube video essays about their housewives. And I did start one on Tamra Judge, and I didn't finish it. But it was interesting because it was talking about how basically Tamra kind of created the blueprint for housewives as we know them.

Cause before Tamra, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't know deep OC lore, but it started off as more of just like a true like docu-series, right? Like following these women. And then Tamra comes in and makes it a game. I mean, I think Tamra was the first one I saw like throw wine in someone's face. And I was like, oh my God, what is this? She's also one of the first people to be put on pause.

Uh-huh. So say what you will about Tamra Judge, wine in someone's face and I was like, oh my God. What is this? She's also one of the first people to be put on pause. So say what you will about Tamra Judge, but she kind of is the blueprint for the modern housewife. And the thing is, is like last season, I was so anti-Tamra. I like was so frustrated with the way that she was handling Shannon and the whole season. I just did not, it was a hard watch for me.

And then I met her at Crystal Minkoff's Christmas party and she's so charming and delightful in person. And I was like- Do you think she's gonna turn the pants out of us? Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, she's like, maybe that is just a character and this is the real Tamra. And I can respect her craft for being a great TV maker.

But where do we separate the line between say like that and say a Jack Stahler? Because he doesn't, there is no like, there's no line. There is no line. His, his, who he is on TV is who he is in real life and they're both awful people. The conversation with Jen at the Mexican restaurant, first of all, and her being like, well, we all know it wasn't the first time. And Jen going, and you haven't cheated? And she's going, and I have.

No, she goes, no. She goes, well, maybe. Yeah, well, maybe. And she goes, but your second time. Scandal. It's awesome. I mean, the way she's able to just drop a rumor and then it just is like a bomb goes off is so scary.

But what about your rumor? She goes, well, maybe moving on. We're not talking about me right now. You did it twice with your yoga instructs. With your, like, it's like. Well, that's the best part too is that it's like this, she's like projection personified where she's just like, yeah, and you don't take accountability for anything, Jen.

You don't, you start these things and I'm like, you're literally talking about yourself. But then she drops the bomb and it's like, yeah, wait, what were we talking about, Jen? Yeah. And then she's like, Anne, I'm out of here. Literally. So I'm going to leave you that and I have to go. Her going up to Katie as Katie storming out of this party. Before she got even inside. What's wrong, angel pants? No, I've always cared about you. I don't wanna see you crying. And I will say, I'm gonna give flowers

to Katie's husband, Matt. The way that, like, is he didn't get heightened. He didn't try to be a housewife, but he was just like, are we being fucking serious right now? Yeah. You're gonna be the one to comfort her? But why are we mad at Tamara for that? Because Tamara's the one that's going around

telling everybody. And she didn't. But she brought it up? Because Tamra's the one that's going around telling everybody. And she did it. But Tamra brought it up. But yeah, a hundred percent, but that's what I'm saying. It's like, I feel like for Katie, she feels like she's very much being not blamed, but like everything that she's done is now all of a sudden putting in a light that she did something with a certain intention.

Where I'm like, all of these things Tamra has known about for a span of time and you're choosing to release it now. I think that is what reality television is. I think that is what makes Tamra a great reality TV star is because she does take this information and she does hold onto it until the exact night or way that she needs to release it. And you can't, and like,

Katie trying to pin it on Tamra for just telling everyone, it's like, no, you did it. Like, what do you mean it's Tamra's fault? Like you're the one who did it. But then it's interesting to think about that in context with like Miami, right? With Gertie and Julia, because Tamra has the ability to hold and release at the perfect time

in a way that the audience is okay with and lands in a way that you're Like this is good TV But then when Julia to hear like Gertie talking about the way Julia did it with the cruise Hold on to that for a year and a half and then dropping it It doesn't land the same way and I wonder and like that is the true skill of Tamra. I think because with Julia it's the most like Nothing burger. Yeah that she's trying to make a storyline I think because with Julia, it's the most like nothing burger

that she's trying to make a storyline. You're trying to make the fact that like she wanted to come on the cruise, but Grady's like, I didn't want to come on the cruise. You asked me to come on the cruise. Like that's nothing. Tamara is like, you recorded her without her knowing. Like, and you showed it to her arch nemesis Alexis.

But don't you feel like if Tamara was a good friend, then that would be something that she would need to tell Shannon while litigation's still happening, like that day, but instead she waits a year till cameras pick up to be like, oh, and Katie's awful, because also, this. I don't think Tamara's a great friend by any means. I don't think, and I don't think her goal

is to be a good friend on TV. I think she's a great TV maker. She's a producer. She's working, yeah. She's like, we're work friends, but we're not friends friends. We're coworkers. We're coworkers.

But we're not friends. And she's like, and I don't give a fuck if you get fired. So here we go. Yeah. What I love about OC, because last season for OC didn't super hit for me, but this season I'm watching it and I'm like, uh-oh, there's something in the water in Orange County

that these women are, and I'm not saying this about them in real life, but the way they're presented on TV, it's almost like horror movie-esque watching it. Like there's this like evil nature there that is so compelling and so like dark and twisted. I don't think they're evil. I just think like the show has a tone of like, I don't, it's like the way they're fighting is like so dark.

It's awesome. Because I think I see what you're saying. Like even like with Tamra bringing Joe, for example, that it's kind of like, there is that like, you know what you're doing by bringing her, knowing Gretchen's going to be there, knowing Slade's going to be there. But it's like, there's there is that like, you know what you're doing by bringing her, knowing Gretchen's gonna be there, knowing Slade's gonna be there, but it's like, there's a way that Tamara's able

to bring them and be like, if you have a problem, then maybe you haven't worked through things. He hasn't been your fiance in years, why do you care who I'm bringing? Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's a way that it's like, almost like a, did I do that? It's like the underbelly of OC.

I love the way OC makes the men on the show look like clout chasing arm candy people in the best possible way. They more? Yeah, I mean the fact that, yeah. Well Slade's always been like this though. But that's, you know, like usually it's, you know, the other way around

where like you have these shows and then like women are maybe even unfairly painted as like, you know, like B players in a storyline where here you have these men who are just trying so hard to like latch on to these star powered women who are famous, who are celebrities. And then you have all these like seemingly like clout chasing men.

It's just kind of funny. It's hilarious. It's like uniquely Orange County phenomena. Yeah. Yeah, Which is, it feels like an undercurrent of a society. And the men all seem like they might be white collar criminals. Yes. It is like the blueprint of Housewives at its core. And I think that's why I always, I think I always will side with Tamra over Jen, even if I think that Tamra's being mean or wrong, is that like Tamra's husband seems like a normal guy and Jen's boyfriend, I just, her taste in men seems so off that I just can't trust Jen's judgment. Interesting. And I feel like Tamra is, yeah, she's just, she's a professional. She's a professional. Have we seen Eddie this season?

No. No, is he not filming? I don't know. He definitely did not wanna go to that party. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a little concerned that the production is making me question how rich

Heather and Terry actually are. Oh, with them trying to sell that house. Yeah. I mean, it's too like the top real estate agents. Well, I also know that they're lying about the party. Like it's just. They all do that. I know, but like. He also has, he're lying about the party. Like it's just. They all do that. I know.

He is botched. Yeah. So like they have money money. No, I know they have money, but. I think they're real money. Yeah. And I hope so. Cause I love them being rich.

Yeah. Me too. He's a top plastic surgeon. He's loaded. My last thought about O.C. is that when I saw Tamra's daughter making a little beats, I was just like, as me personally, I was watching it. I was like, representation is so important.

Do you make beats? Yeah, no, I just meant Tamara's daughter's vibe in general. I was like, and she does. She actually makes really good music. You do? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So that's what she's she's representing you. No, she was just kind of an alt looking girl. And I was like, hey,'t know that. Yeah. So that's what she's representing you? No, she was just kind of an alt-looking girl.

And I was like, hey, look at that. Okay. Representation is important. Representation matters, you guys. Women's stories matter. Women's stories matter. Should we move on to Miami and then call it a day? Absolutely.

All right. Well, if you didn't catch this week's episode of The Real Housewives of Miami, here is your rapid recap. Julia and Martina are in their boy mom era, which apparently means wearing Chanel sneakers and making enemies with other women. It's still not clocking to anyone that Gertie is standing on business. Stephanie Sojay is renovating a castle,

including a wall for her Birkins and a separate staff entrance. Welcome back, Carrie Coon in the Gilded Age. Kiki and Larsa have to get an extra yacht for their outing because there's so much division in the group. Hopefully this will help. Spoiler alert, it doesn't. Dr. Nicole briefly returned to remind everyone that she was Stephanie Sojay before Stephanie Sojay and then she is too emotionally mature to be in the group. And then on the dual boats, Alexia calls herself a Rottweiler, says

Stephanie Sojay is a Chihuahua. This will become drama so do not forget it. Adriana, perhaps inspired by the most recent episode of Below Deck, gets absolutely plastered and rants about Marisol having no talent, dry knees, and an evil soul. Alexia tells Gertie that a dick pic would have been better to display on screen at an event than text messages from Julia.

But somehow Gertie is still the villain? Interesting. Overall, is Kiki the most beautiful woman in the world? Will anyone be nice to Gertie? Who even cares about Martina Chanel sneakers? Find out next week on The Real Housewives of Miami. It's Ryan Ease. Such an interesting thing to come for.

It's giving, you smell like hospital. You smell like hospital. No. Did you see that Dr. Nicole sold her beach house, Miami mansion for like $40 million or Robbie Williams? The Star Island one? Yeah. Now like she's rich enough to Williams. The Star Island one? Yeah. Now like she's rich enough to like live on Star Island.

Like she's- Well, she sold the house for 40 mil. To the guy with the movie with a monkey playing him. When she was comparing, she's like, you know, private jets, like the fact that like these two women, like they literally got rid of one and then brought in another one that is exactly the same. Yeah.

I wanna be rich enough to sell a house to a- A British superstar. A British superstar? Yeah. Maybe you can sell one to P.K. I don't think... I bet he's in the market. I would need him to have a co-signer.

Yeah. I don't know if he can get that loan. I feel like he'd be like, yours and IOU. Yeah. The whole dual boat thing was so funny to me because they were literally on the same boat so they could be like, oh, I'm going to get a boat. I'm going to get a boat. I'm going to get a boat. I'm going to get a boat. I'm going to get a boat. I'm going to get a boat. here's an IOU. Yeah. The whole dual boat thing was so funny to me because they were literally on the same

boat still. It wasn't even a dual boat. It was literally like they connected them. They tied them together and they were just floating in the middle of the ocean. So what was the intention by the two yachts? You're all hanging out together. Literally. But also, I do not like getting so drunk.

You know she does not remember a single word she said about Marisol. Not at all, but it's also like, second she gets a little tipsy, it's just like sees red. And Marisol's like, I'm just minding my own business. She literally, and it's crazy how Marisol can drink all day. I feel like I know with reality TV, I need like which shows include blacked out drunk people

and which shows actually have like drinking rules because nowadays I feel like there's different franchises with different rules and like. And it matters. And it matters. I wanna know if you're hammered. Yeah, I need to know if you're blacked out or I need to know if like you're, you know,

you get one drink a day or like one drink an hour that allows you to like. Is this your behavior? Or is this your behavior? Drunken persona. I will say, I don't think, I think Miami, I think the culture of Miami is they're drinking. And then Alexia calling herself a Rottweiler to like shut down Stephanie Sojay

and then later on Stephanie's like calls her like a Rottweiler and she goes, what did you call me? Why'd you say that? Why is she talking about me? And it was just like Alexia. She's so mean. The thing about it, it's so fun that like, rarely do I ever like agree

like morally with Alexia. Don't care. I'm always going to be on her side. Really? She's wrong. Yes, but no. I know she's wrong. And I like with the Gertie stuff and all the other like, I'm obviously like team Gertie, whatever, but I'm never mad at Alexia. Yeah. I'm just entertained by her. I'm just sad for Gertie Yeah, it's like I feel like they're all lecturing her about like what she should have done and how she went about it But it's like to what she said when she was on our show is that

Nobody's listening to her No They literally like she she is truly just telling them exactly what happened and then even in this they were like Did you read the producers were like, did you read the text messages? And they were like, no. No, Lars was like, I didn't have the time. But then they're like, that's the most evil thing you can do.

There was a lot. Yeah. But I'm like, you can't say it's the most evil thing you could do if you don't know what's on them. You didn't even read that. You text me a paragraph. It's the most evil thing I could do. Yeah. I didn't read it.

Sorry that, hey, happy for you, or sorry that happened. And I also want to be rich enough to be renovating a castle. Yeah. I really hope she doesn't make it ugly What did she say? It was like 20,000 square feet Yeah, but then she said the original was to Persian and I was like, what is that supposed to mean? Well, she's married I know. Yeah, but She's married to a Persian man. Yeah

The original house was his first wife's yeah And she was like I will move in, but we're literally demolishing the entire thing. Not a trace. Why can't she just talk shit about the ex-wife? Why she has to talk shit about a whole culture. Exactly. That was my, well, at first she was like, I want a new house, so it doesn't

remind me of the ex-wife, but then she was like, and it was just way too Persian. And I was like, you didn't need to put that in there. You didn't need to say that Stephanie. Okay. Well, that will do it for this episode. Thank you guys for listening and thank you to our guests Bailey Brown and Rachel Recchia for joining our show. Don't forget tomorrow we have a grand slam going deeper

with iconic housewife Tamara Judge. I'm very much looking forward to that conversation. I hope you are as well. That will be tomorrow and then Thursday we have another jam-packed episode for you. Clayton Eckhart is scheduled to appear. I think he's feeling a certain way about Perfect Match so hopefully he comes on and shares his side of the story. Also Hannah Godwin from Bachelor in Paradise and she is with us to talk about all things reality tv, get a little update on her life

but she's watching all the shows we are and she she'll be joining us, talking with us all about it. That is this week. We'll see you then. Goodbye.