The Viall Files - E98 Bachelor Recap - Ep 9: Fantasy Suites with Megan Gailey

Episode Date: February 25, 2020

Comedian Megan Gailey joins Nick to talk about the Fantasy Suites episode of The Bachelor. They discuss the evil approach of having all the women stay in the same place, the difficulty of sleeping with multiple people before an engagement, and then Nick shares his theory for the end of the season. Get your ViFi merch at https://shop.viallfiles.com/. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: WANTABLE: http://wantable.com/viall THERAGUN: http://theragun.com/viall DIPSEA: https://www.dipseastories.com/viall See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What is going on everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files batch the recap edition what an episode yeah what an episode and we have an even better episode recapping it for you. We have the very funny and charming Megan Gailey with us. Long time Bachelor fan. Oh, yeah. And very funny comedian. Helps us break down this episode. So I think you guys will enjoy that.

Yeah. Before we get into that, I do have a bit of a story i want to get the the uh the opinion of the vile file listeners uh-oh uh i was in milwaukee by the way uh which is part of the story and people came up i love the podcast and they said i'm a vi-fire i'm a vio filers so people are like trying to identify i'm like what are we what are what what should i you know so people people are we're they're trying to identify as as something i don't know but it was great thanks for thanks for listening thanks for saying hi so anyways i'm i'm home in wisconsin unfortunately i had to go back for a funeral that was a bummer and sometimes with groups of friends there's's just group friend drama. Yeah,

for sure. Right? A little group friend drama. So, one of my other good friends, great friend, best friend, has a wife,

and, Your best friend. Well, it was my best, my very best, Why are you hesitant to say best friend? Well, my very best friend is, that's his,

his father passed away. That's who's funeral we were at. Okay. I don't know. Like another very good friend of mine. Yes. Has a wife. And his wife is,

without getting into detail, she's a lot. Yeah. Kind of always involved in drama. Always. I mean, she's been with me or anyone else. It's always something with her. She apparently doesn't get along, whatever that means,

with my best friend and his wife, and that's whose father passed away. So we were at the funeral. My friend came to support my other good friend. His wife didn't come, didn't show up no one was totally surprised i was irritated because i'm just like really you couldn't even show up to pay your you made your husband come by yourself and it made me wonder uh what people think out there when it comes to funerals and friends and like is it a time to just set your differences aside and show up and pay your respect or are and from my point pretty petty and pretty catty but are there situations

where you don't want to show up because you don't get along with people who you might see at a funeral and i i was just like really irritated about it and i was just like you couldn't just set your differences aside or or do you think this person was just- Well, why does that make you upset? Why do I, I mean, I didn't like lose sleep over it. Yeah. But I was just like, I mean, again, she's caused other drama,

but I thought it was just kind of petty and it just, I'm not personally affected by it. Yeah. But I just wondered like, was she justified in not coming, not feeling like she got along with the family whose father passed away? What would you think? I think funerals are such a high intensity emotional time.

Like, I've gotten in a lot of fights at funerals, actually. And I know friends who have, too. Because it's like the height of, I don't know, there's just a lot going on. So I just think maybe better to avoid going and start something. But why do you have to? I mean, that's why I asked. The possibility. That's why I asked the question.

I just thought she would, you go, my condolences. Even if you're there for 20 minutes. Yeah. Her husband ended up going by himself. Yeah. And it was like, and again, I don't know what. There's not. Also, there wasn't like yeah and it was like and again i don't know what there's not also there wasn't like we're like oh why don't they get along was there some crazy thing that happened yeah is there nothing it's all silly oh silliness um yeah that is sad

it just seemed kind of a bummer but i that was my question i'm curious what the audience thinks is our funeral is a time where we just swallow our pride and show our respect to someone who passed away. Even if it's like your enemy, you know, like can't you just show up and say,

there's some people I couldn't, yeah. I feel like we should try to do that. No? What fight have you gotten in a funeral? I don't want to get into it wow at a funeral oh at my grandma's funeral i got in a fight with my sister like it was just like

misplaced sure you know yeah that make yeah but it's your sister yeah and just yeah um but not the time not the time um wasn't about me you know that well that was kind of my point like this isn't about you or them it's just about like someone's father died and your husband is close enough with this person to come and pay his respects and like you decided not to come to what like to me it only makes makes it worse what to me it was like what a great opportunity to just you know bury the hatchet so to speak, and come and show your support and love. And now all it ends up being is...

And then we went out that night. They went to the Bucs game. She's clearly not sick. She went out and hung out. She was obviously clearly fine. And it's just kind of like it puts a bad taste in your mouth to be like, oh, where were you? Why didn't you come? I don't know.

I'm not a fan of that but maybe i'm wrong maybe other people have different points of view but i thought i would uh check in with the old uh the listeners see what they think uh anything else before we get to uh no i have my prediction of how i think yeah stay tuned for that it's pretty good um i'm pretty sure i nailed it very detailed i just hope that you didn't nail it just so i just don't want you to have the satisfaction of figuring it out but fair enough pretty sure i did uh unspoiled i have no this is all based off what i'm seeing as a fan i have no inside information but i'm he's trying to beautiful mind the season. Yeah, I am.

So, yeah, a lot to talk about. Obviously, the Maddie situation, the three dates, the women living with each other. And like I said, Megan Gailey helps us break it down. So without further ado, Megan Gailey and Fantasy Suite recaps. Theragun, new friend of show. I feel like I always, our show's really taken off because everyone's seen the Theragun out there

and now they've partnered with the Vilefile. Yeah, of course they have. I love it. The Theragun, I've been using it three and a half weeks now. Yeah? I need it. I have stiffness in my neck and my shoulders um i don't stretch stretch enough and i i use it to before i work out to kind of warm up the

muscles i use it after i use it when i go to bed i'm using it all the time now um it's great it really helps me in my uh tension and i have in my my right side of my neck um and yeah they have all the different different settings and they have this app to like monitor like how you're using it yeah it gives you a lot of information and if you're thinking like well how can you do like your own back or your neck it's actually designed yeah so that you can do it yourself uh no that's me you make a good point because you would think that yeah when doing it you're almost creating more tension by like holding it up it It's not, no, it's very easy. Like it's, it's, I don't know how to describe it. It's very easy to use. I don't ever feel, I don't feel like being totally alone in my apartment that I wish I had someone there.

I know, me too, me too. I often wish I had someone there to just spend time with me, but I would probably Theragun on my own, even if I had someone next to me. I would probably Theragun on my own, even if I had someone next to me. Yeah. And it was actually created by Dr. Jason Worsland, who was in a traumatic motorcycle accident and left him with debilitating muscle and nerve pain. And he couldn't find anything to help him, so he made his own thing. And this basically made him feel better.

I just think that's a really cool story. Yeah, it helps. Like I said, I use it all throughout the day. Sometimes when you just feel that tension in your body, whether it's on your neck or your shoulders or a cramp in your leg, it really just helps release that in a way. Like, you know how many times

that you've been around before the Theragun and you're just like, hey, can you just run my neck real quick? Yes, right here. Right here, can you just get that? Like, bam, Like you have that person and the Theragun does a way better job than any of your loser friends.

Well, feel better naturally, treat your pain and get back to your life. Try Theragun risk-free for 30 days or your money back by going to theragun.com slash V-I-A-L-L. For a limited time, my listeners to this podcast get a free charging stand with purchase. A $79 value. Got to say, also very handy.

Theragun.com slash V-I-A-L-L. That's theragun.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Dipsy. I love this one. Dipsy I love this this one Dipsy it is sexy storytelling

yes is it is it tailored more towards women yes and designed by women by women

yeah we don't get a lot of stuff like that us women we really don't yeah and it's very immersive and fun and it just helps you kind of get in touch

with yourself kind of warm you up it helps you get in touch with yourself. Kind of warming up. It helps you get in touch with yourself so you can touch yourself. Okay, okay. Too weird? Too weird? A little, yeah.

In all seriousness though, I think things like this are very beneficial and healthy when it comes to getting comfortable with yourself sexually and feel comfortable with your body and, you know, feeling more comfortable potentially with your partner. Like sometimes we, in our puritanical society,

we're made to almost think that some of these thoughts are not okay. And, you know, quite honestly, it's totally fine. And I think Dipsy's done a great job to help you explore that. Yeah, and you know, we honestly, it's totally fine. And I think Dipsy's done a great job to help you explore that. Yeah. And, you know, we all get in ruts. We all get in ruts.

And sometimes you just need that little spark to get back out there. Yeah, we do. And there's new stories every week, which is really cool. And for listeners of the show, Dipsy is offering a 30-day free trial when you go to dipsystories.com slash V-I-A-L-L. That's a 30-day free trial when you go to D-I-P-S-E-A stories.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Dipsystories.com slash V-I-A-L-L. It was just fun to try to read in a sexy voice. I hope you guys all enjoyed that.

Well, Megan, thanks for coming. This is such a thrill. You are a big Bachelor fan. I'm a huge fan. I've called you a dirty dog. You have. Behind your back. Do we want to get into that first? No, because I think that you

you've had an arc and America has seen it and I wouldn't be here if I thought you were still that dirty dog. No, I would be. I would be like, let's get into it. At what point was I the dirtiest of dogs? I think when you were like on the show as a contestant, if that's what you feel. Okay.

Is contestant the term? Because people do win. Yeah. I'm like, as a suitor. Did they get engaged? I'm like, well,

they won. Yeah. They won Jeopardy. Contestant suitor. Yeah, that seems to be sort of your peak dirty dogness. But I think as a bachelor,

you were actually pretty, you made all the, you made the, the final choice that I wanted you to well that's good i loved vanessa you did loved her yeah i did i met i actually met her in montreal and she are you from there no you're from canada no i'm from indianapolis which feels sort of canadian-esque very kind and nothing else. But she was at Just for Laughs, like at one of the after parties.

And no one knew who she was, but I ran up and was like, oh my God, you're so beautiful. Great opener. And we chatted for a little bit and she only had nice things to say about you. That's nice. Because I did ask. Okay. Is this after we broke up? Yes.

This is after you broke up. Oh, well, that's nice of her. Yeah. And how long have you been watching The Bachelor? I know I remember Tristan and Ryan, but I wasn't like allowed to watch. Like that wasn't something. But I do. I remember watching like the very first episode in the entire season of Jesse Palmer.

Wow. Way back. And you've watched ever since? I've taken some off. I took Hannah Brown completely off. Oh. Yeah. Wow.

Is there a reason why? There's two reasons. One makes sense and one does not. Let's hear it. The first reason, I felt like she was really forced on us. it seemed like when they went to her to be on the season, they were like, hey, if you don't win, you'll be the bachelorette. It felt too it just didn't feel the will of the people. I did not want her. So I was like, I just don't understand why this is the girl they picked.

and then when her season premiered it was kind of peak time politically in alabama where something i did not like was happening and i was like i cannot hear roll tide one more time or i will strangle myself so i just for my own sanity took it off but then when i see her like when i've seen her on peter season a joy I'm happy to watch her cry all of her makeup off and not wipe it okay so I'm fine with her it was a good season I know and I'm very attracted to a lot of

those men I was you know about the windmill like I still kind of the cultural lexicon was still bleeding in from it but I it was not appointment TV for me. Do you think you'll ever go back and binge that? I just have so much to watch. I've never watched Breaking Bad.

Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Okay. I know. Priorities make. I've never watched Mad Men. What? I do think at some point I'll be on bed rest of some sort,

and I will go back and watch Hannah Brown and Iconic. Well, you haven't watched Breaking Bad. It must feel good. It must feel good sometimes to know you have things to binge. Yeah, but I've seen all of Jesse Palmer's season. I have my priorities. As you should. I'm doing Love is Blind, all of it.

You are doing Love is Blind. I love it so much. I love Temptation Island. I love trash tv as they would call it so how do you feel about this trash tv this season so far getting back i peter is almost like pre-pubescent you like he almost feels you're talking uh personality or looks kind of bold like he feels like a hot eighth grader. Yeah.

To the point where like when I see his nipples, I'm like, no. No, not for us. It's just I don't like if he was a friend's boyfriend and I got introduced to him, I'd be like, okay. And probably forget his name and just be't have he's not going to cheat on you. You know, like, I wouldn't have a lot of takeaways for him. He doesn't make me pitter patter on any of the places. But the season itself has been pretty dramatic and wild despite him. Okay, do you and you and some people have been critical of the youth of the group? Yeah.

The drama. Is it too much for you or are you enjoying the trash? Because it's been trash here. It is. This season's been trash. Yeah, it is very young. Yeah. In a way that makes me feel almost confused.

And obviously when these 24-year-old girls are being like, I want to settle down, they don't mean that, I hope and and you also have to like look at where they're from and then when you meet their families you're like okay well this this like adds some perspective to it it does feel so young and i think that doesn't bode well for peter because it makes you get the impression that he's immature and wants a woman who does not like intellectually challenge him uh yeah i mean the the bachelor is you know stuck uh hoping to find love with the women that other people pick for him so there is a layer of that that every season uh every it's more the bachelor gets criticized for their choices and it's just

kind of like what do you want me to do and also a lot of it has to do with most of the time it's like they have their top few people and all the other choices that we criticize them for doing they don't really care we don't care i mean but didn't i feel like he liked kelly but it just like physically never once he saw all these other like crazy hot babes, he was like, oh. Yeah. I mean, the Kelly thing is kind of interesting just because they had that connection. And I think that's what's got her that far because there was a level of comfort there that you just meeting one night at a wedding, regardless if they just danced or they did more,

that's huge in that world because you have no comfort in a very awkward situation. So to have some familiarity with anyone is a huge advantage. It's a huge advantage. And to go back to that hotel, I loved that. I was like, oh my God, I can't believe we're at the scene of the crime.

And that is, yeah, because if you've been on a bad first date, but then you go back to the place with the person, you're like, you still have memories. Totally. But I think eventually. It just wore off. It just kind of wore off. And listen, Peter is, he's a youthful 28.

Yeah. Right? And I think, I really liked Peter this episode. I think he finally started pushing back in in ways that you didn't see you know whether you agreed with him or not he just was like hey i want to be clear on understanding you before it seemed like he was really trying to please everyone and got him in trouble i think he didn't do that this episode but he lives at home i mean he's a sweet guy i've gotten to know him i think he's got a lot of character he's just young and i think he's on the younger side of his age and i think that's kind like he seems like a nice good guy that's

why when i say like if my friend was dating him i'd be like you've got nothing to worry about yeah he's a good guy he just doesn't like jump off the screen and it's kind of crazy because like we know that he has this like sexual prowess we've been that was like his whole windmill thing going on oh he definitely likes to have sex and even colton good at it colton a virgin i was like he seems like he wants to rip some clothes and you just like you got that impression from colton maybe that's just like how i felt about colton they had a lot of shower seats yeah yeah yeah yeah and i love a i love a ball player um and peter it's you, it's just like planes and planes. I saw a hotter pilot last week.

Did you? Yes. There are some hot pilots out there. So Peter just doesn't do it for you? He doesn't do it for me personally, but he seems sweet. We don't have any shower scenes this season. Did you notice? Well, Peter has like, he has.

He's trim. He's got a bod, but he doesn't have a bod. No. He doesn't have a shower bod, you know? He's got even almost sort of like a runway bod. You know, it's not like a mace. It's like a thin, trim, fit man. Bodder.

He's an otter. It's totally in shape, totally nice. But, you know, it's like you're not... No one's... The world's not stopping when he takes the shirt off. No, no, no. And for Colton, the world stopped. For that virgin.

Oh, boy. Yeah, but in person. I would like you to meet Colton and Peter in person. Okay. For like a scientific experiment in terms of like, you know, just energy that people have. You don't think Colton's sexy in person? No.

He just went by the paper. I met the Backstreet boys and i was like i know my favorite and then i was like totally in love with aj by the end of it really which i never would have believed in myself colton's a great looking guy but no i don't think this i'm hearing the way you're describing yeah you know you know in a track i think I think you would yeah kudos to the show then because they sold sex symbol on Colton did they I think so yeah

they did the showers yeah a lot of showers huh all right well should we get into this episode well we kick things off wait oh yeah we kick things off with maddie maddie at the end of the rose ceremony sits peter down and kind of lays the groundwork of this episode which will be

all about fucking or the lack thereof or and she sits him down and she doesn't really say anything no um peter again for the first time this season is kind of almost is he he holds his ground so to speak because he knows what this week is about this is what he's been waiting for i literally just gave victoria a rose for the sole purpose of having sex with her um so you're really cramping my style here maddie what are you doing like yeah you really see his face be like oh god i can't just have one week of peaceful sex with women i'm gonna break up with um but she you know she tells them and she's so very careful about how she says it yeah um you know i don't know thoughts i i felt myself I kept forgetting that she had not told him that

she was a virgin yeah she because we all know that and so I kept being like well he knows I just want to point out and she never said she was a virgin she said she's saving herself for marriage she did say that which could mean born again. Doesn't necessarily. I don't know. Right. I'm guessing she's a virgin. Yeah. But I find it unique that every other time we've had a virgin, you hear the word virgin over and over and over. That's true. Bacchitilli, Ashii, Colton.

With her, it's just more, I'm saving myself. Colton wasn't saving himself. He just didn't get around to it. Remember? He was just too busy playing football. I'm just. Right. I'm assuming she's a virgin. Yes. But i noticed that she never she never says she's a virgin

but you're right we kind of assume that he knew yeah and he's just sitting there like what is she i mean she's in this like diana ross jumpsuit which was beautiful trying to tell me to not have sex with anyone outside of this airplane hangar. And he, he, I think, I think she showed her age in that by almost just not being able to articulate to a partner what she was expecting of them. And then I think he just seems so confused and bummed out. And as the episode goes on, on my feelings i sound like i got choked up i was trying to swallow some air my feelings towards her kind of soften because she does sort of get to the point at the end where she's like let me explain what i meant well yeah we'll get

to the end i i have i have points of view I didn't think I necessarily would after watching it. But yeah, so she kind of tells Peter, don't fuck anyone. Yeah, and then she's like, but that's not what I'm saying. I understand why he is very confused. It's interesting from Matt, like Rochelle and I have talked about this.

We relate. I mean, I relate to Madison in that moment, especially if I think back to 23 year old me, I grew up in a very traditional Catholic household, Rochelle. I was saving myself. She was saving herself. On hometowns,

it was kind of an awkward situation because it was Maddie's parents being like, does he know about your choices, Maddie? You know, it was both of our parents just reminding her for the choices that she's made on her own right which like so into it yeah it's clearly a family decision sat down at a table and

talked about yeah and so now she's on national television and there's a lot of pressure to live up to the expectations of her own things and her parents and she's in a tough spot so I guy I'm I'm not critical of necessarily maddie a lot of people have started making comparisons of the well you didn't watch but there was this guy named luke p and he he showed up literally 30 seconds into the season saying how he met god in the shower after fucking all through college oh boy um and now he's now he's decided to save himself it was this kind of like a really it sounded gross and it was just like oh good for you that you had to have all this sex and now you've decided to you're not a virgin you know

and so and then it you know fast forward to the season it was a lot of like gaslighting hannah and a lot of shaming and it just it came across so like hypocritical and weird this is very different yeah where let's assume she's a virgin and she's just trying to like you know do her thing and and and just kind of say what hey this is the relationship that I want I agree too I I wanted to like be angry with her not even angry I just was like come on girl like don't let your dad control but then and I didn't feel that the only thing I I did and obviously it's not her fault that they cast her but it is like you know this is gonna come up like you know this it's like going on American Idol and being like I don't want to sing live

it's like well this is the show sure I mean I have points on that when we get into Madison, but it's not, you never know. Yeah, you don't know how far you're going to get. That and you don't really even know what you're going to feel. You know the structure of the show and you're not even thinking that far and you don't necessarily know if you'll get that far.

It is interesting because I think of Madison and Hannah Ann at least in their upbringing and sort of like their persona is very similar. Probably identical. Yes. Just being like Southern moral, sweet, pretty girls. And then you have one of them being like very like strong in her stance. And Hannah Ann isn't even, and Hannah Brown kind of did this on Colton's too, where it's like, listen, I'm a Southern woman with values, but I but i've had sex like they don't say that but like i have i have danced with the devil madison's family is very like she's and she seems like she has a great family but also a little too not say i don't say too close i'm not here to criticize her family dynamic but it's

it's a bubble it's a bubble it's clearly a bubble it's a bubble within the family it's a bubble within the whole college community it's you know my parents were like that too very protective they wanted us to be have this perfect little life and that was their approach yeah and and quite honestly madison she like i watched this episode thinking, whether I agree with Madison or not, she has a lot of character. And I've been hard on Madison with the whole internet thing. And I can empathize with those decisions,

but I think she has a lot of character and I think she has conviction. And that's a great thing to have. I just wonder if Hannah Ann's dad watched it and was like, what the? I didn't know get out there girl go tell him get on out um so so yeah so now we're in australia and the producers the devils that they are have decided to stack the dates perfectly not only that well that's

that's easy but they've decided to have these women live together yeah which shot that's that's easy, but they've decided to have these women live together. Yes, thank God. That's evil. I mean, I love my producer's friends, and they're not setting up Peter for success. No. I cannot believe this is the first time they've done it. Because at this point, it's about they do want great TV, but they want love. They want love to happen and the fact that they are doing that is making that harder for it to happen and it's more competition it's

more competition because now it becomes again it's still they're making it more about the women and the potential drama within the the house yeah and then more drama with peter um and in past seasons you've had the drama and now it's about the lead figuring it out, you know, and these women are trying to get on board with, could I get engaged to this person? And so for them to do that, it really kind of stunts that. And there is, it's such a time warp in that world where every day feels like a week and every week feels like a month and you know kind of now you're with your competitors during this like yeah extra emotional time and also the added layer is victoria and hannah ann know that maddie took peter and had this conversation but have they don't know what they have no idea and she's not really she's like yeah i just had

to like get some things off my chest. It could have been like, Peter, I can't wait for the fantasy suite. Like they just don't know. Or, you know, maybe she like told him I have eczema

and I hope that you, you never really know. You don't think Hannah Ann knew? I feel like she might've told Hannah Ann. Listen, I'm sure they suspected, right? I am sure that,

you know, these like little, the girl chats that they're having, you know, it's not like Victoria Aff is like, I'm going to go sit down and like drill Madison or Hannah Ann saying this. No, it's just like, hey, we should, that's what you do. Let's all sit together.

Let's all sit together. They have all day. Yeah. Like think, and like, and that's another thing with these fantasy suite weeks is like, it's a lot of sitting around at this point. You're just waiting for your one date that whole week. weeks is like it's a lot of sitting around at this point you're just waiting for your one date that whole week and now you're sitting around just like before stuck in this house with these this other girl so you have one girl on a date you have another girl all day long just being like

so you think he's fucking right now like wantable wantable wantable i mean this jacket's from wantable trying to look stylish is hard especially if you're busy you got too much going on or if you're like me not good at it or single you don't have the girlfriend or boyfriend to be like yeah that doesn't look good you know wantables there for you both uh to help you with fashion and to replace the girlfriend and boyfriend that you don't have. All of our ads are just about us being alone. It's fun. You know, Wannable takes all the challenge out of finding the right clothes for you that you want to wear every day.

Very stylish. They have a great, I wear a lot of their gym stuff, their workout stuff. And I got to say, looking hot at the gym, am I? What? Yeah. A little Yoda there. Okay. high at the gym am I?

What? Yeah. A little Yoda there. Okay. But you take a fitness quiz and then they pair you with a stylist who picks out stuff for you and they leave a really cute note

explaining their favorite picks in the box and then the $20 styling fee gets credited back to you when you buy some of the items. That's fantastic. It's really easy. Well, Wannable has taken the challenge

out of finding the right clothes for me to wear every day. They can help you fantastic. It's really easy. Well, Wannable has taken the challenge out of finding the right clothes for me to wear every day. They can help you too. Go to Wannable.com slash V-I-A-L-L for $25 off your first edit. That's W-A-N-T-A-B-L-E dot com slash V-I-A-L-L

for $25 off your first edit. Wannable.com slash V-I-A-L-L. They kept showing their awkward silences and I was like, yeah, but like I have awkward silences with people all the time. Like I think they just have run out of,

because they were like, how were your hometowns? And she was like, Victoria F was like, Victoria F good. It's like, bitch, come on. You've got a day's worth of gossip to tell them. That was a bold face lie.

Yeah, she's like, it was good. Yeah, great. Virginia's awesome. Virginia's for lovers. Never met my parents. Skipped it. I don she's like, it was good. Yeah. No, great. Virginia's awesome. Virginia's for lovers. Never met my parents. Snipped it. I don't know.

I kind of left. I love that. She's like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Nothing to see here. And also, like, poor Pete. Like, this one, you're almost like, now that they're living together, one comes back, and then one is like, okay, I got to go get ready.

And you're like, damn, Peter. Like, that's just even exhausting. I'm curious how they do that because I didn't ask. But usually there's a day off. Okay. Right. So you have some sex. So they could be faking it.

You need a break. Well, not faking it. I wonder. You need a break. Well, yeah. But also it's like all night long. And I don't mean necessarily everyone's always having sex all night long. You're up talking.

But you're up talking. Or like you don't really's always having sex all night long. You're up talking. But you're up talking or like you don't really get private time until like one or two in the morning, right? And so they're going to wake you up at like eight or nine. Yeah.

So whether it's sex or talking, like you're maximizing that alone time. So you're just exhausted. Yeah. To have Peter be able to like, oh, let's go on a date again after you've had no sleep.

Not to mention, most of that next day is a lot of like talking about your date exactly you know all these like interviews just like oh well like jet lag of australia jet lag of australia so my guess is is that they probably quarantined you know these like after the date you know hannah ann and like does her you know last night with peter amazing. And last night this and same thing. And then maybe the next day they insert the girl. I don't know the logistics of it. Hannah Ann came back in like a cute little peasant top looking fresh as a daisy.

So she probably had a, my guess. They were like, you look tan. My guess is she had a day without those girls. Where she laid out, which they noticed. She probably laid out. Well, she probably laid out with Peter and she probably did all her like talking about her day before.

And then they probably brought her in right when say Victoria had to go on her. That's my guess. Just so we could see the turnaround. Well, just so you could see the awkwardness. And that was probably real. I think these girls aren't actors in a sense. So they probably saw like you insert, you give them just enough time for it to be awkward and

not enough time to figure out exactly what went on yeah and create confusion but when um victoria came back she's like oh my god i look so terrible and they were like you look really thin they're doing the best wait when victoria came back we just skip a date? No, I'm just talking about the turnarounds. Because they do these classic hot girl compliments. You look tan. You look thin. Like, it's just like, I don't really like, I don't want to say anything that's actually like tangible to who you are as a person.

But like, you do look thin. Congratulations, you know? And then maybe they're saying like, you look thin to be like did you eat she could be like oh yeah i was up all night i haven't eaten you know like trying to get got a lot of exercise but they're really funny compliments that they're giving it's it is so i couldn't imagine what that would have been like had you inserted like let's say sean and i and caitlin season oh my god you know oh that would have sucked I mean it would have been really like they're they're definitely playing with fire doing this but I was happy to

see if anything I was like cut to them a little more like what's going on back at the house yeah they cut to all of a sudden they're just like fighting fifth fighting whatever ripping each other's hair off uh so hannah ann's on her date and hannah ann has this she is she has her game face on she is she is here to win it now she everyone's she you know every you know jet skiing it's cute i love how peter's trying to like sell it like uh um he was just like oh so you have you ever you like jet skis well we are about to go jet skiing like it's the prices right like the big reveal i was sad for her i'm like hannah ann has jet skied before she lives wherever she lives there's lakes there and actually yeah they actually have well there's rivers rivers rivers lakes rivers reservoirs She's done it. I felt she got low-balled on that date, just jet skiing.

Put her on a yacht. Oh, you don't want a yacht. No? Why don't you want a yacht? Sunburn? Seasick? You get seasick. You sit there.

The yachts suck. It's just a lot of like. The yachts suck. Oh, please name this episode that. Yachts suck. It all looks good, but in actual... So jet skis is fine. We're going fast enough.

It's probably a fun 20-minute thing. I don't know. Yeah. No one really... You just want to get to the night. I don't sense sexual chemistry from them. You don't? Nah.

When they're rolling in the sand, I think what you're saying is true. I think Hannah Ann is sort of like playing house. Well, she starts crying when she's like, I don't know if this was just full on her being like, I know Peter likes to cry, so I'm going to tell him it's okay to have sex with as much people as you want. I'm here for you. While shedding a single tear as she's just trying to muscle her like understanding towards peter's situation i hated that i'm here for you i'm here for you no

matter what i'm your friend because like it almost also felt like in addition to whoever you have sex with like if you also break up with me i'm gonna be here for you to help you through what you need, which I have said to a boyfriend before and fully did not mean. There's no way. I wanted to kill this person. So do you think, I mean, all jokes aside, I think Hannah Ann was being really vulnerable and muscling through that and didn't mean it. She doesn't want him.

No, she doesn't mean it. No, of course not. She knows that's what Peter would respect in yeah, would like respect in someone being like, wow, they really care for me. They want me to have sex with other people. She's playing. She's playing it well. I think she's playing it well.

And I don't think it's as much about Peter. I think she's watched Hannah B's season, you know, and this whole like, it was the reverse of American being like, well, you know what you signed up for and you have to be okay with this. And I think she's trying to be the understanding woke woman.

Or does she know Maddie's taking the other route? So she's like, I'm gonna cover this base. I think that too. There's definitely that element where it's definitely Victoria F and Hannah Ann versus Madison. I mean, they all seem to get along, but there's definitely this,

we're gonna be understanding and you're going to, you're going to go a different path, Maddie. You know? But she did not want to say it. No. It was like,

it was sad and awkward and sweet all at the same time. It made me, you know, it made me kind of like Hannah Ann a little bit more. She showed a little bit more. We're like watching it now.

It was awkward. His beach posture is really funny to me like i just it's so it's uh those are those moments where like i get defensive of peter where it's just like i can't read how many times i'm on these dates and i'm just like how do i i know but listen people on the internet have said i have ugly knees i have sat on things and people have ridiculed it. It's like, you gotta watch the playback, Peter. This is not a good concave chest look for you. Yeah, when I see them rolling around

on the sand, I just don't feel it. Ew. He kissed her hand twice that we saw. It's just, I don't, I mean, she's obviously so beautiful. She's like a classic Disney star pretty. mean she's obviously so beautiful she's like a classic like Disney star pretty and he's obviously

very very attracted to her I think she's like playing the game to try and be the bachelorette I think she's out of this I think she's gonna win I actually have my wow

I have a very detailed theory of how I think the rest of the season is gonna play out can you tell us yeah at the end okay great yeah so anyway so now they go to the fantasy suite the rest of the season is going to play on. Can you tell us? Yeah, at the end. Okay, great.

Yeah, so anyway, so now they go to the fantasy suite. She's just like, I'm here for you. There's a scene where they lie on the bed and she has her legs like locked.

It's very awkward actually to your point of like maybe lack of sexual chemistry. I don't know. Then there's also that door that like- Titanic.

Yes, with the hand. I wonder if that's actually them i i was wondering the same thing or were they like hey we got to get this shot can you put your hand there's maybe but like yeah here's what here's what their producers aren't doing they're not like go take a shower and have sex while we film it that's not happening okay like that's not and they did that to me i'd be okay great where's my mark i mean let's they do things differently every season maybe but my experience there is a level of privacy they're not like saying hey go go fuck we'll just hang around like that door is so specific to be like we can see people are hooking up but we can't see who it is could be any hotel has that door and it was a titanic i mean it was a it was like it was a very framed shot like some

scene setting that went in to just be able to have a door that kind of operate and i mean i guess the door on this um room we're in right now could do it i i mean i i absolutely think sexual chemistry or whatever we think, they actually absolutely had sex. I think they had sex. Yes. I mean, when Hannah Ann is talking to Maddie, you know, her like offendedness about what Maddie is. She's just like, I'm literally physically recovering from all night of Peter just having his way with me. And I have Peter stink all over me and i feel like almost judged exactly it's the judgment of like i think she feels like maddie is talking down to

anyone that would have sex with her and now sex with him and obviously she's in that camp now so she's being defensive of peter and her and herself um i don't i didn't think that Maddie was talking down I think she you're it's just such a tough position to be in because she is my guess is Maddie had no interest in talking to Hannah Ann about her point of view it's just like she's forced to yeah you know they get pro you know and so she's like yeah I this is what I said to Peter you know no judgment and right just because Hannah Ann feels judged doesn't mean that maddie was judging her perception because if i had had sex with someone and then the other girl who was dating him was like i can't like he better not have sex with anyone i'd be like

because i hold myself to a higher standard like yes it comes across as condescending and judgmental but i don't know maddie actually is like very good at it not feeling that way. I like the episode liking Maddie and really laughing. Yes, the hand. Really laughing at some of Victoria F's takeaways from it. So yeah, she's the next date. Well, yeah. So Victoria F, what did they do? They went.

They went. I don't know. They did something. They did something. The date stuff. Oh, they went to a waterfall.'t know they did something they did something the day stuff oh they went to a waterfall they went on a helicopter and then they went

to the waterfall and she said we haven't even fought yet and you're like oh Jesus they have a they have a fighting

I love how Peter opens up the date and says I have an amazing relationship with Victoria the only thing we don't do well is communicate

which is like I don't do well is communicate, which is like, I don't know, maybe the biggest thing of any relationship. I mean, I've said in other episodes, I joke because it's clearly a very immature and as what we see from the show, a toxic relationship, but it's a relationship that I know very well in my 20s. Absolutely. The idea that Peter, I'm a fighter,

and we confuse fighting for what we believe in as defending things that are toxic in our lives. He thinks they have passion. Yeah. And it's just like, no, you're just not compatible in communication. And she acknowledges it too. I mean, you can go back to that group date where victoria f is in lingerie and like seeing peter peter's face see her it's like yeah she's

in you know like he is hot for her oh yeah and then them fighting and then having this thing it totally makes sense and i also think it's something p Peter maybe hasn't experienced a lot of. And it's just so different than the other two girls. Also, this wound. I kind of disagree with that. We got to know Peter a little bit. Oh, okay. He likes this. I don't think his ex-girlfriends have maybe been as aggressive.

Victoria F., her highs and lows are drastic. Yeah. I think Peter's more used to that than like it's not his first girlfriend who's made him jump over jump through hoops so to speak and i think he is very that the jumping through hoops he likes i didn't realize that and i think part of it is he likes to do that he likes to feel like i'm proving my love provider and a giver and again we get very confused when we're younger of like, what's actually a healthy way to do that and not. And so I don't think this is the first time Peter's had to jump through hoops for love. And I think that's where you see this

attraction. Other than the physical attraction, that's where you see him doing this. I mean, it makes a lot of like, oh, we have this passion. There's a way he talks about it. It's just like, yeah, it's very easy to judge him but i'm listening and being like it's it's embarrassing but like that was me i did that oh we we all can see ourselves in in this relationship and and there's almost part two where victoria f was kind of the least willing to tell him what he needed to hear in terms of like i'm falling for you or whatever and i think some of his like being so into her is kind of like she feels like she has the upper hand in their relationship to me in a way that's very like strange for him being the bachelor and her being

a suitor she yeah i don't know where it comes from, but you're right. She doesn't this, and maybe it comes from her inability to control her emotions. I don't know, but she doesn't know. Yeah, she, when she feels something, she just does it and says it at her own detriment most of the time. Yes. It's almost in a weird way work to her advantage, whether, you know, the people are debating whether she's like, this is all calculated. Calculated or just this wacko.

I mean, that atmosphere is so insane that i have a hard time believing she would go mastermind this many in advance she didn't know that they were gonna do that with the musician i'm thinking i'm not defending it but like i think she's just highly emotional and because they've never done that before brought an ex back as a performer they would have but like the opportunity never presented itself if i was on and they were like you're gonna go to a comedy show i'd be like no nope nope nope nope nope i gotta go home got it peace thank you i thought victoria f was going home night one i thought her like remember her she's the only thing dry about me is i was like what this girl i like her and kelsey

felt like classic night one i'm gonna have a meltdown and fall in the pool and go home. And then they were in it for the long haul. Proved me wrong. What do you think of Victoria F's explanation of why she, as she says, the way she is? Oh, God. I don't even feel like it was articulated clear enough for me enough. Peter's like, you're going to understand everything. When she said, and I was like, really? She's just like, this is just who I am.

She had a bad ex. Oh, she had a bad ex? She said she had a bad ex who like didn't. God, I watched the whole thing. He basically, the way she described it. Yeah. What she said, she's like, he didn't, he never asked me about my emotion. Oh, yes.

I remember that. And so now when you ask me i feel like okay this is this is why i didn't remember it because it's like yeah bitch we've all had exes like that like that's great like if you i have exes who i don't even want to have a hipa violation they had breakdown you know like i have dated multiple men who you would not trust to like watch a broom. So it's like we've all been through things and that doesn't give you – but I don't even think her behavior has been that crazy. It just seems in the context of the show, if someone behaved like her,

you'd be like, oh, goodbye. He doesn't have to necessarily put up with it and he is. Yeah. Like he doesn't have to necessarily put up with it. And he is. Yeah. And in a weird way where like the thing I don't relate to Peter and from my experience is he seems like he actually when he says I'm in love with three women. Yeah.

It's like I actually believe him. It's just like at this point for me, I'm just trying to get through. Yeah. I'm just trying to survive. yeah i'm just trying to survive fan like it that's an impossible week but peter peter's trying to get through it by well i someone doesn't want me to have sex with anyone i'm definitely going to have sex with everyone um and how do i do this yeah he's like one of them i only kept to have sex with so i have to have sex with her but i don't know the way the way way Peter is with Victoria on this date.

Like it sounds like it is every, I watched it and I watched it twice where it's just like, he's just like, don't, you know, don't run like with Victoria's like, don't run from me. Don't like,

don't push me away. And I'm thinking, I'm pretty sure you're going to break up with her in two days. Right. And so it's just more like he really is just like present on these dates and like not he can't think like long term which is i couldn't yeah that was hard for me to do and so he he seems like he's very present on these dates it's and then it's kind of wild and this i mean like it's i don't i don't have any i I think he's sending Victoria F home.

And I don't think that that's like bad. But that could also come across not great for him that he's kept this like volatile woman. And then I guess anyone you send home after Fantasy Suite, it's like you had sex with them and then sent them home. That would really even though that's happened to all of us, too. But that would really like be demoralizing for the public to know, I think. Yes. But you also keep in mind that when Peter's doing this, how it plays out in real time, he has no idea how it's going to be perceived from a show standpoint. He doesn't know how people, like, he doesn't know what people are going to think of any

of these women. He doesn't know how, like, he certainly certainly is aware, like certainly he's aware that Victoria didn't even have a hometown. Yeah. Oh, I'm ready for her to go. And what that might look like. But I don't think, you know, that was me. I was, I had-

Did you feel bad? Hometowns was the worst because meeting all the parents. But I had been on that, you know, I'd done three seasons. I did Paradise and I was, you know, I'm an analytical person to begin with. So I was constantly in my head about. What are people going to think about my decision? And what they're going to think about it. But again, also for better or worse, I was pretty much pot committed to Vanessa.

So everything else was, okay, I got to meet these parents and be as respectful as possible. Not say too much and not say anything. Like if, for example, if Hannah Ann was on my season, right? And so was Vanessa. And then Hannah Ann's dad was like, don't do that. I would have like, cool, bro. I won't say that. You know, like I'm not going to say I'm falling.

Because like Peter believes that falling in love means something. And it doesn't mean anything. Not when you're in love with three people at the same time. Well, yeah. I mean, I'm falling in love means something and it doesn't mean anything. Not when you're in love with three people at the same time. Well, yeah, I mean. I'm falling in love. Right. But also you called Andy out for the making love thing. So you kind of were in a position

where you had to kind of not do that, right? What do you mean? Because you got, you were upset with her, right? I wasn't upset. I was more just. Why? Yeah. What?

Heartbroken? Yeah, I was confused. I was heartbroken. So you Yeah. What? Heartbroken? Yeah, I was confused. I was heartbroken. So you didn't want to do that to the women, the same thing? Well, it was what I, when I was the bachelor, I was at that point the two-time runner up. And so I even said this, I don't know if they aired it, but I knew that I would relate more to the women who took second or third than I would to the winner. It's the only thing I literally haven't done in that world is to have won. And so I was very careful about the things I said and didn't say. And I wanted like specifically with Raven, I wanted

when you're in that bubble, I knew that she might be falling and she might be heartbroken, but it was important to me that once i broke up with her that like as she processed all the things that went as she played it back there was never something i said that she goes well i don't yeah but he said this and he did that and i don't get why why he would do and say that i i was very careful because i wanted her to be like you know what i kind of and honestly like i'm pretty sure she she knew based off the things that conversations we had but it's also like it's also hard it's it's hard peter's in a tough position because he is the only one with the expectation to to have this work

the pressure's on him to get engaged not anyone else did you ever were you ever like buzzed on your season like from alcohol yeah i'm not a big drinker okay so i was pretty stressed and i don't i just feel like i would get drunk and be like i love you like i would go up to a dp and be like i love you i love you someday i love you and i love you i mean you see like a lot of these and i'll tell your parents a lot of the women from this season like you know them like kelsey like yeah kelsey has but a lot of it's alcohol induced but i mean like as the actual bachelor bachelorette like getting drunk and then having loose lips being like i love everybody you know like if i was high i'd be like bring them all to

me bring them over let's snuggle i love all my boys not as much i mean not not for me everyone's different well this is why i wouldn't be on it. I'm married, too, but my husband said I could do it. Okay. Well. I think he thinks I make good TV. Oh, Victoria F. Yeah, so she comes back. Remember when she's crying with her dress?

Yeah. Using your dress as tissue. Did you, I mean, again, did you roll your eyes when she said, like, I put him through so much? Or was there any empathy after all of her she seems at least aware that she's been crazy yeah absolutely they have been on an emotional roller coaster and like i think victoria f may be the type of person who like does things and then has remorse for them even not even that she's done anything that bad but i don't think she's like void of being like, that was a doozy.

She's crazy as fuck and then apologizes over and over for it. Which is... It's annoying. Yeah. You don't think the way she reacted to Peter when he brought up the cheating was bad? Cheating. No, I mean, I think this is...

Or breaking up the marriages. This is who she is, you know? Yeah. That's why it's almost just like even crazier that he's like kelsey hit the road like okay wow this black widow is staying i mean well that's the thing it's just the tension and release the the way she's doing it peter's falling for it and again it's not from again i've done it like you you go crazy yeah and you like you and it's in its gaslighting totally and and it's just like what

did i do wrong emotional i didn't do wrong and then she comes back and then she's sorry and then she's fighting and then it feels like it's that kind of makeup they had makeup set and in a way and so that's how i mean yeah makeup sex is very powerful so that's kind of what's what's going on um so now we get to the meat of the episode which is all about maddie yeah well because there's that scene where madison and um hannah and no i mean victoria f and hannah and like hannah and kind of filling victoria f in and victoria f is like i'm like mad for p it's like that's such a wit to be like i'm mad you know what you need to have sex with him or i'm mad on behalf of peter yeah that's not what she's saying but it's like crazy to be mad on behalf of him yeah no it's weird because i'm um i i definitely i probably watching this episode

related more to maddie than than hannah ann and and uh vict. I definitely did not relate to Victoria F. Like if anything, Victoria F should be like, woo, woo, woo. Yes, Maddie, go girl. Don't have sex with, but I think that also just kind of shows Victoria F isn't really like, doesn't have deep feelings for Peter.

But Matt, I mean, Hannah Ann said this too when she was crying when she said it. Hannah Ann seems less like angry and more just like why did I think you're right you're right Victoria F is more like Matt yeah Matt he he's gonna fuck you and

you're gonna like it yeah and her testimonial she's just like um that's just like so unfair to Peter he thought he was gonna have sex with three girls and now he's only gonna have sex with two girls yeah yeah you're right he had to fly like to a whole different hemisphere and the toilet spins another way, and Maddie needs to have sex with him.

I don't know. Imagine it's a basketball. Whatever you got to do, girl. But he deserves this. Yeah, you're right. She definitely did that. And he's just like, I have a wound on my head. I'm doing the best I can.

Did he get a concussion? Is he fine? So yeah, so Maddie comes. They do something. Oh, they walk on this bridge they go to the bridge she's pretty cool she is leading him like i was like watching it being like peter get in front of her uh and a bunch of metaphors about like the challenges of the relationship sometimes the wind is against you and a very dramatic music all leading to what we've been waiting for is this kind of confrontation about Maddie knowing Peter's had sex, wants to hopefully hear that he hasn't had sex.

Peter knowing that she's going to ask me if he's had sex, Peter knowing I'm going to have to admit I've had sex. And what does Maddie do about this? She's like, I don't want any details. I don't need to know positions but I just need to hear penetration or not so what did you ladies think I mean like again this is all very in the gray of

we're in 2020 sex positive it's our own bodies we can do what we want when it was I know you didn't watch but when it was Hannah B she was having sex but it was different with Luke P, but it was very much... Yeah, empowering. Empowering, and you can't tell me what to do with my body.

And there are some parallels here. It didn't all go down the same way. So what did you guys think? I thought Maddie's sort of speech she gives him, because Peter's like, you can't ask me to... And she's like, okay, but I this is, you can't ask me to. And she's like, okay. But like,

I have sacrificed X, Y, and Z. I didn't ever know that that was like in me to be able to do. And I've done it because I care for you. And I did think that that was a very good. I got a little choked. I mean,

the music, it was all very good. It was great TV. And I thought she, she was very, she was very eloquent. Yes. And, and had conviction. And I just she was very eloquent and had conviction. And it made me really like her.

Absolutely. Because I saw when she was doing it, she was filled with so much emotion, anger, confusion, sadness. And she just was still trying to talk in a way. And again, like she was saying, I want, trying to put myself in your shoes because like she is really struggling because here's what's interesting about this. Like this is for all the people are like, well, Madison, you knew what you signed up for. She didn't.

Right. And so this is Madison's point of view when she's like giving this speech is Madison, like a lot of people before her, and sometimes two every season, think she and her and Peter's relationship is way ahead of everyone else's. And her mind, right or wrong, she feels, because again, she's not seeing the details of all these other relationships. She's just like, Peter and I have something different. We have something special. So even when she pulls him aside after the hometown rose ceremony, she's saying this to him is like, you're my boyfriend. I know like you have to do what you have to do and you're just trying to get to the end, but we have something special.

And I just need to let you know, because like, this is going to be us at the end. She's speaking from this, like you said, like Peter's my boyfriend and he's just surviving this. She's not the first person to have this point of view. in fact it's every other season like why do you think every time at the end of the season on the cover of people magazine it's i knew they were always the one kind of thing and half the time that's true and half the time it's the lead telling the person who won what they want to hear because you know like how else do you think people are wrapping their brain on the crazy idea of getting engaged at the end and that's because they think their relationship is the only real one amongst the sea of bullshit she makes a

very compelling argument too when she frames it in the time she's like i think it's kind of crazy to ask me to get engaged to someone who had sex with two women a week ago and he and he has like a good rebuttal but you almost see those three days and you have to give her credit because she is very young and in some ways, not naive, but has lived in this bubble. She took those three days and like prepared like she was going to debate team. Like she like had her stance and it wasn't preachy. It was just like, it's I'm not even telling you not to do this. I'm just telling you it's hard for me. And you feel for her. And I'm sure you can speak to this. They have this intense conversation.

And then he's away from her for five days. She can't text him. That's why she had it then. Because I mean, my guess is it was, she was made aware of the fact that we don't know when you're going to have this date, but this will be the last time you see him before. And he may or may not have had other dates. It is wild that this is the first time that Peter is learning. You like see his face, learn that she is saving herself. And he's like,

I mean, I, you didn't see it, but after, I mean, it was the same for me on both Andy and Caitlin's season. Specifically Andy's season, I had the first fantasy suite. We wake up that morning and it was a great night, except for that morning, I just, I,

it was like in my gut, I was like, you're going to have sex with Josh. I just felt it. She didn't say it. It was implied. And here I am thinking, I think you're going to pick me. I really love you. I'm supposed to. And this is that time where producers don't really present engagement. There's no talk of it.

They know how insane. But towards the end, that's when they're like, how are you feeling? Like, where are you at? Do you think you could do this? And you're thinking, and then you actually start thinking about the crazy possibility of and from a guy's point of view like getting down on the one knee or proposing you're just like i guess like i don't know i mean i really love her this is crazy but i think she's gonna have sex with another guy yeah and i spent the whole like it was me and like

three producers and i honestly was just like listen listen, I get it. I get the show. I understand and I'm not telling you what she can or can't do but like how do I get engaged to someone? And it was more like, listen, if she ends up having sex

with another guy, I'm fine with like, I can maybe get over, I guess I can get over it but I don't know how I can get engaged. Like I just like, how do I get engaged?

Like I would rather just like maybe reset and so it was like a whole day of conversations of going back and forth with producers trying to wrap my brain around this. Like, well, how can I do this? And you're a man who had more life experiences and had lived more of a life than Maddie has too.

You know, Madison is in this crazy show, but this is real life for these people. Like they are seeing past, like they realize they're not totally delusional. Like in two weeks, this is real life for these people yeah like they are seeing past like they realize they're not totally delusional like in two weeks this is going to be done and if i end up with peter we're going to be in the real world and that's what i thought of and it's just like i just need to be able to like make my own decision here i need to be able to if i'm going to do this i need to like be able to respect my choices and it's just like for all the people who are going to criticize madison or anyone in that position like unless you're into an open relationship which is cool like

this is no different than anyone else because the way madison articulated it so i it's it's so interesting too that they keep being like it's an ultimatum ultimatum like that is just like such a bad word to women because like i think of women thinking of as ultimate you always hear girls be like well she gave her boyfriend an ultimatum that they had to get married like get engaged and whenever that happens people are like well then they shouldn't get married it's like sometimes unfortunately it's not an ultimatum i think she's just saying like i will emotionally not be able to get past that and and i'm walking away like she's almost breaking up with him just out of her own sadness and like she knows her parents are watching this her dad's entire basketball team yeah there's so

many layers everybody is going through her head and but he's already done it yeah yeah and that's the argument against madison's like you knew peter was like the whole it was the windmill everyone knew peter had sex before the condoms in the car sure but you know and again but that meant that doesn't necessarily mean madison again that where madison goes to peter she was saying like listen i have no illusions that you you're you're not saving yourself and i'm fine with ending up with a guy who's not saving himself she's not saying that she's simply saying that listen if what we have is real if it's as real as i believe it to be i just want to know that i'm worth it to you to like not have sex with other people which in any other dating situation which would be a totally normal request

and peter's like sorry it's what's interesting because i only slept with vanessa right like wow i didn't know that and that only i mean and that was from i knew i was gonna pick her yeah and i wanted to try to make a relationship work so it was do you think when you didn't know that. And that, I mean, and that was from, I knew I was gonna pick her and I wanted to try to make a relationship work. So it was- Do you think when you didn't have sex with the other girls, they were like, uh-oh? It was, listen, it was a tough week to try to go through that

and hope that they wake up still thinking there's a chance. My, what I said to them was, I'm not having sex with anyone. I don't need to have sex to like know that I have a physical connection and etc etc whether you and whether they bought that or not hot for each other but yeah but outdoor hot tub but i'll say this much uh if i'm i my gut tells me that if uh and the sex wasn't a big focal point of the season you know they didn't they didn't make it a thing like they are this time

but if let's say let's say they did raven the girl who had only had sex with one person at that point and then rachel i guarantee you they would have been the hannah and victoria f in this situation and vanessa by no means was saving herself but if uh let's if vanessa and i broke up but if vanessa and i if vanessa would have found out that I had sex with anyone else, I don't think we would have made it to the AFR. Wow. Really? Yeah. At all.

I mean, I think that's probably what dooms a lot of these relationships. When Ben and Lauren broke up, whether true or not, she referred to the fact that he had sex with JoJo. Like, it's not the first time. Like, Josh and Andy, Sean and Caitlin. No, that's a mind fuck yeah oh yeah sean never got over that no never no it's like madison's not like you're so right and victoria f who are now like rooting for peter it's like this that's your okay you know like uh because they don't know too like hannah ann does not know how she's gonna and maybe she

just hasn't thought or but she's also being the cool girl like whatever you need peter i know i'll be here i'll be here with kleenex i'll be crying in my room so it's like but hannah and you may if you end up being the one as you think she is and he's had sex with victoria f that may come back to really really make you very upset. And you're going to be looking at Madison like, oh yeah, girl, you were right. She's bearing a lot. Yeah, she's, she, her, Hannah Ann's focus is winning.

I think, I don't think it's the bachelorette. Because in fairness, you're so deep at this point, you're not really thinking about being the bachelorette. You're really not. Because your emotions. You don't think she could be a little bit? No. I heard, I heard yesterday that they've chosen the Bachelorette

and it is not someone from this season. Who did you hear from? Tia. You heard it's Tia? I heard it's Tia. There's no way. Who'd you hear that from? I mean a man.

A person you trust? Would this person have any... This person wouldn't even like necessarily know i'm saying allegedly because like in my dreams but then when i go into like i think kelly i would want to see kelly but it's like kelly doesn't want to do this she didn't let her go to the women tell all they didn't let her let her she came out here for it what do you mean not let her go you don't do you know the details nick because she i wish you knew not let her go? You don't, do you know the details, Nick? I don't know.

Because she. I wish you knew. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Me. Something happened. Something definitely happened. You don't, you don't, you're not top six, a fan favorite.

The person he met before. Someone who had not necessarily confrontation with the women, but was like, had an opposing points of view of the women. Had a storyline. Had a storyline. but was like, had an opposing points of view of the women. Had a storyline. Had a storyline.

In fact, I was looking forward to Kelly at Hometowns just because of the way she left, which was kind of like mocking the rest of the women, which a lot of people agreed with. America kind of agreed with her. And I thought it would have been a really interesting dynamic to have her there. Why she wasn't there is not normal. Yeah, maybe it's because they feel like she was like too critical.

Maybe. Who knows? But it's like. There was a reason. You gotta look at the crew that this like. And there's been lawyers. You know, Andy was a lawyer. There's educated.

Rachel's brilliant. There's very smart, like successful women on this. But if you look at Kelly's situation and the young, young girl she's surrounded by, it's not crazy for kelly to be like deuces you like rug rats like get me out of here yeah do you think she broke something in the contract or something i mean everyone breaks something in the contract yeah it's not yeah it's so it's it's it was definitely a decision i don't i don't have any she is a lawyer too it's like maybe there's like a legal yeah i mean her dad is like when i was watching kelly i was like oh her family's rich that's like

one of my favorite sub games to play like their family's rich and then you go to the house and you see and but yeah the lion dykes i'm like get me in that mansion i saw something like kelly saying she wasn't invited so this wasn't kelly opting out because that's the first you can't they can't force you to go I mean it's in your contract to go but like if you like refuse to go they'll just move on sometimes you do things like this where like the the production as a whole is like this will make this person look good and it's like you have missed the pulse of America because like I hear that and I'm like that just makes me like Kelly more and I already she was already my favorite. Yeah.

And by excluding her from whoever, I don't know. What's Sydney going to do? Maybe they wanted more drama with the women. They thought they wanted the, I don't know. Who knows? Wow. Interesting. It seems.

So you think, I think Madison, I mean, they're obviously setting it up that Madison is the winner. So that can't be it. Yeah. So here's what i think happens oh great uh i think man here i'm not entirely sure but like what's gonna happen next and my my guess is madison recuses herself she leaves the show okay um leaving it down to victoria f when does she leave that's what i'm not sure of but in the

preview they show her not there and the preview coming in the preview they imply but she could be like literally walking over the hill yeah what if that is the case then i think victoria f goes i think victoria f is you think she's just late to the i think they hold her back for like drama and hair and makeup's like we're doing literally live touches. They literally, when it's down to those three, like, yeah, they could bring out Hannah Ann, wait 10 minutes for Hannah Ann just standing there, bring out Victoria F, wait 20, like who knows? Such a mind game. They could just wait.

And make it seem like maybe they're talking. Just get face, you know, and then, yeah, especially now you have Hannah Ann and Victoria F standing there. Just fine. Let's just have them talk for 20 minutes. You never know. Let's see if they say anything. And then Madison comes out.

Victoria F goes home. And then they go about it. And they're setting it up like Madison just can't get over it and leaves. So yeah, here's what I think happens. Madison eventually at some point leaves, whether it's before or after Victoria F. Chris Harrison says before you do what you're going to do. Oh, and so Madison has,

she's like, she can't get to it. And now Peter's with Hannah and, but because Madison leaves, it fucks Peter up because she leaves and it's not his call. It always fucks us all up. Cassie. Sure.

And like a Cassie, but I'm even in life. Like, you know, it's like when we think we're going to break up with someone, someone breaks up with us first. We've realized, I love you. Like a Cassie. Sure. And like a Cassie, but not even in life. Like, you know, it's like when we think we're going to break up with someone and someone breaks up with us first, we've realized, I love you.

No, like don't leave. Uh, so there's a little bit of that, right? So Peter is like torn up about like the Madison. He's feeling regret. Should I have not have done this?

Should I just have sex? And now he's just focused on Madison. Meanwhile, um, Hannah Ann is feeling like they're made. She's being made aware of this Madison left, which is fucking up. Hannah Ann's just like, well, what the fuck? Like, why not?

Family. Why not me? And as a result of Peter, and I think he's actually ready to propose to Hannah Ann. I think Peter comes around. Okay. He comes around. He's like, you know what? Hannah Ann has been my rock.

She's always been there for me. She said I could have sex with anyone. She cries on cue. By the way, I just wanted to point out, I don't, every girl cried on every date on the Fantasy Suite week. Yeah. This episode.

Like, I don't remember, like everyone just has Peter figured out. Like everyone cried. So like, yeah, Madison's like, it's me. It's me. Right before Peter's proposing, Harrison comes out and it's just like, hey, got something to tell you. Insert Madison madison's like it's me it's me right before peter's proposing harrison comes out and it's just like hey got something to tell you insert madison who's like i know what peter i

realize i love you and i want to try this he comes back fucks up peter even more meanwhile hannah ann's like what the fuck yeah yeah right and uh don't let him go don't let her go and peter realizing i just fucked up and peter apologizing in these previews it's the hannah ann because he's like he realizes it's not mad because maddie comes back and peter's like you know what i he's confused at first but still wants to be with hannah ann but he's at he he almost fucks it up he almost like she almost makes hannah ann because there's a there's a, there's a sound, like a voice

and it's Hannah Ann and it's something, I don't forget what she said but it's just like, I've been, I've been the rock this whole time. I want to feel like I'm loved

and blah, blah, blah and I think she's just kind of like, what the fuck? Like why, you're like, you're chasing. She's like, I'm too hot for this.

Yeah. And then I think he's apologizing to Hannah Ann and he sends Maddie home and Peter's with Hannah Ann. Wow. And then you think he does? I'm really, now this theory I really like

that you've presented to us. You just came up with that on your own? Well, and it's almost, it kind of makes sense too. It's unspoiled. This is when you're home alone at night. In the sense that we have learned that Peter does a little bit of drama. He is attracted to that.

It's almost like Victoria F. leaves. And then not that Maddie is dramatic, but this give and take and tug and pull. That almost just steps right into Victoria F.'s shoes. And he picks up that, is this passion? Is this fighting? What is happening? Why is my head still busted open? Yeah.

I like that. I still think it's gonna be hannah and because otherwise otherwise they're setting it up part of it is then it's too obvious it's like that peter has been like no one's gonna spoil this so crazy no one and no one does know and like madison uh leaving because she doesn't want peter to have sex and then coming back and peter choosing him is kind of like obvious what you've presented has like too many moving parts to be able to nail it down which is to a spoiler yeah I think it's what happened checkmate I hope Peter's mom is happy Peter's mom yelling is like the Colton um fence jump we are, give it to us. Yeah. Well, who is it? What's it going to be?

Yeah. Bizarre season. Victoria F doesn't have a hometown. Madison seemingly doesn't have an overnight. No. Which is, I actually thought that was crazy. Again,

we don't know if that's, she's walking away and it ends. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. It's implied that she. Definitely not. Definitely not. But like also,

why not? Yeah, she's not, but at this point, she's not going to go hang out. She can't even look at him. He's dirty. She, like, I don't even, yeah, she's not but at this point she's not gonna go hang out she can't even look at him he's dirty she like i don't even yeah she's not gonna be able to sleep in the same bed that she doesn't you think you know it's less dirty and more just like her i'm just like really her yeah i'm sad you can just be like let's just go talk let's off camera let's just go talk it out in the fantasy thing why wouldn't you take advantage

of this only opportunity to have this like literal private time to like have a real conversation so madison who's like trying to be polished and trying to always worry about what her parents think she can go in this room and just close the doors and be like what the fuck and like you know what i'm saying she can just victoria f she can go victoria f on peter and you would think that she would take advantage of that situation because madison you can tell how she has bite advantage of that situation because Madison, you can tell she has bite. She like her competitive nature, her like you don't become a high school state champion by like being super demure all the time. I think at this point, though, she may just not even want the image of her going into

a hotel room and the door shutting. Like she may just be like, I for my own like sanity of no one can ever say, well, we don't know. Like she'll be like, I just don't even want them to have that shot. Yeah, you're probably right. But she, but like she should go talk to him. Yeah.

They should take all the time that they can. I mean, love is blind. They're just leaving time on the table sometimes. But this, you got to go to the suite, get the chocolate covered strawberries. Well, Megangan this has been a lot of fun thank you so much thanks so much for coming where can people find you you're doing a lot of great things yeah tell us about it i have a podcast on iheart that actually

hosts with my husband that is a sports podcast but i do have a lot of female friends specifically tell me that they like love listening to it because we talk about sports as sort of gossip and a lot less X's and O's. And we obviously like bicker and, you know, call each other mean names. I love to gossip about sports. Yeah. My husband and I both work for the NFL. He works for Bleach Report. We're like a sporty, sporty couple.

So we've got some gossip. And then if you like stand up, I'll be in'll be in dc march 27th and 28th and then i have some road dates in the summer i tell you to go to my website i do not update it so just find me on the socials right we're on the socials um my instagram is better megan gailey and then my twitter is megan gailey m-e-g-a-n-g-a-i-E-Y. And gosh, I'll be tweeting some bachelor opinions. All right. Well, thanks so much for coming. It's been a lot of fun.

Thank you so much. Fun breaking it down with you. Best of luck. Thanks. To who, Peter? Just to the world. To the actual world. We need this luck.

Good luck world. We do. And to Hannah Ann's dad. God bless you, honey. On that note, thanks everyone for listening. See, tomorrow we have a great episode with Mr. Drew Scott and his wife, Linda. Make sure to check that out.

And don't forget to send your questions at asknigga at castme.com, cast with a K. And what, anything else? No. All right, see you tomorrow, guys.