The Viall Files - E983 - Perfect Match w/ Sandy, Susie Evans Returns, The Valley, Hot Takes, & Love Island Reunion Theories

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

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Helixleep.com slash V-I-A-L-L-L. what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vowel files i am your host nick i got the household with me we got mary sierra are you here technically yeah yeah he is never really knows sweet boy just Leah is also here. We do have Susie here. Hello, hello. We had so much fun with Susie the other day that we're like, you want to come back sometimes?

She's like, sure. We love it. We're going to be doing some fun things with Susie going forward. Also, like, well, we'll get into it briefly, but your ex, Jeremy. I was like, what you want? The silence is definitely. I definitely say that with a lot of sarcasm. nothing cringes me more than when people on this show, The Bachelor,

refer to other people as their ex because they did whatever the fuck on a TV show. A conversation. Mm-hmm. Or even more. A date. A date or two weeks. A fantasy suite. Even, honestly.

I know. Yes. 100%. Let me tell you. I have strong feelings about that. Anyway. As you can see, Natalie is not with us. There's no really easy way to talk about this.

So I'll share a little bit. Sadly, Nally and I are experiencing... See, it's not even me. It's you here? Yeah, you are. Sadly, Natalie, I experienced another miscarriage. It is her third this year,

our third this year. It's a... I know there's no really good way to say. It fucking sucks. And so she's obviously at home resting, healing both physically and emotionally. You know, we experienced it the first time, but, you know, you don't really know how to talk about it.

But we want to be vulnerable with you guys. and obviously now he's such a big part of the show, my partner in life and on the show and my co-host, and obviously when she's not here, people notice. And so we certainly wanted to at least be open with you guys. But yeah, it's definitely a little bit of a scary time just because, you know, for those people who have experienced something like this, you know, when it happens the first time, the doctors and everyone,

kind of acknowledge that while terrible, this is something that can happen. And everyone's just like not freak, you know, don't freak out. But there's nothing wrong. This, sadly, it can be a part of this process. And then it happened the second time. And, you know, obviously we have a lot of amazing blessings in our life, you know, the first and foremost being River. And, you know, minus like some morning sickness and things like that.

We were, you know, we were very lucky to have a very, yeah, fairly easy pregnancy, you know, both with just, obviously, just river, you know, it's just like really no complications, which was such an amazing blessing. And despite what's going on right now with us, Our doctor keeps reminding us that that is the best sign of our, you know, a future ability to grow our family. But right now, obviously, there's a little bit of uneasiness with, it's not, it's far less normal to have two and three back to back. And so now, now we're kind of in that very scary process of running tests and finding out more about ourselves. And it's like this weird thing of like you want them to find something, but you don't want them to find something because if they find something, you know, and we don't know what that means.

We're in this kind of very uncharted territory of fact-finding, which sucks. And obviously, what Natalie is going through is, you know, very, you know, I think all women out there who have experienced this, I've had a front-row seat. You know, certainly I'm experiencing it. It's just very different for Natalie, who at the moment when we find out we're pregnant or when we find out she's pregnant, there's an immediate bond and a connection that I think is very unique for mothers. And then obviously, like, you know, I think for the dads out there, you really just, you're trying to strike this balance between being, you know, grieving yourself, but also just keeping life together and keeping the family going. And like, you know, it's tough because again, like back when we shared the first time, it really, it's just like you, and I get it. Like for the people who have never experienced it, it's not, it's not that everyone cares, but no, it's just not the same, you know. And I think for people who do. experience it there's a tragedy there that makes you feel very alone and i think obviously that's something nally is going through right now um anyway i don't want to spend too much time on it i really just wanted to be transparent um with you guys because i know i don't want she i know she wasn't there

yesterday people started to notice already getting messages with like a lot of concern so overall natalie is doing okay physically and healing and um she's okay in that respect and emotionally we're just we're currently dealing with with that this whole like experience obviously has been very difficult and this went out in particular um for those of you listen uh you guys know that as a family we had the stomach flu and that even before that nally you know talked about having pukes before and at the time obviously we weren't ready to talk about it we didn't want to announce it because of obviously but when you're pregnant um as is off you know women who know this and with nally experienced morning sickness, her first pregnancy, like the one thing that's, is always the, like, but it's a really

good sign because, like, when you have these symptoms, it's usually, they tell you it's a sign of the, you know, it's a healthy pregnancy. Your hormones are changing. So whatever's going on, you know, and this time around, she was experiencing some of those similar symptoms. And because obviously this time, we kind of, it's, we came in with a lot of like uneasiness about getting excited. It felt like a lot of things were going. the right direction. We had our first doctor visit, still thinking everything was going great and expecting this time to be different and sadly it wasn't. So that was particularly hard. I was very much trying not to, you know, again, it's very much different, obviously, from the

moms out there. It is a dad. It's easier for me to like not tell myself not to get excited until, you know, you feel like you have a right or a reason to get excited or it's safe to get excited. But I think obviously for Natalie and I assume for a lot of other moms out there, it's impossible not to feel that connection with your child as soon as you find out you're pregnant. So it's tough. It's been a world win. And, you know, we're trying to get through it as a family and we will. And I think part of this challenge, you know, is still appreciating what we have and having River and life goes on and, you know, we have a lot of privileges in our life. And we know that and and feeling like it's okay to move on and laugh and you know even like guilt around

like me being here and like you know it's like it's all very confusing about how you're supposed to mourn something like this um and things like that so anyway uh we appreciate your support i am genuine i always want to say truly yeah so sorry yeah it's like a not of fun it's uh i don't know yeah devastating but i mean it's beautiful that you guys share with your audience and stuff. Yeah. Because people relate. I think people don't even realize.

That has been the one, I'm not, it's not a, but, but when we share that episode early in the year, when we really, we, you know, and if, if anyone who is also going through this, our heart goes out to you. Nellie and I, the first time we experienced this, we did, again, doing, we did a going deeper episode a while back and we, you know, I was very nervous releasing that. It was obviously very great to hear deep. Even now, we still hear people who share their appreciation for that, that episode and that is the smallest of silver linings, but, I don't know. I think it affects a lot of people, so.

Yeah. So she's like, what did I walk into? We're here for you? No, yeah. I mean, I genuinely, like, I feel like I'm holding back tears right now because I'm just like, that's just so much to process, but I'm like, for you guys, you know? Yeah. River really helps me for sure and Natalie but there's just a lot of emotional questions not knowing what to say and how to say it and there's no right way but you guys are going through

it together and I think just knowing that you're there for her with support it's all you can do you know absolutely you know but Natalie says hi to you guys she will be back soon and I'm sure when she's back you know she'll share a little bit but yeah well our hearts are going on to her And I hope she's resting and everything will work out. So no really easy way to transition from that. But we're going to still try to have some fun today. Obviously, like, you know, I guess you get better at dealing with grief through some comedy. I don't know.

Sometimes you have to laugh to not cry. All right. We're going to do a hard shift here. All right. We're going to, all right, ready, ready? Like, now we can start laughing. Thanks, Leah. Andy had shared a live update from the reunion clarifying for everybody that was concerned that Huda was not at the reunion. She was there. I wasn't concerned. I'll be honest. I feel like there was a lot of 17-year-old anonymous accounts out there who are, you know, very anti-Huda or whatever. Like, I'm telling you, like Love Island, its fan base has replaced Tumblr from 2004.

Oh, that's so real. I missed. You know, like, all like the 17, 18, 19-year-old girlies out there, like, deep in their emotions, like, smart, young women who, like, you know how to articulate themselves, 10 years more emotionally matured than their peers. Yeah. Their male peers at 17. And they just, but they need to get it out. And so they write online. And that used to be Tumblr. Yeah, it was Tumblr.

Yeah. And now it's just like the internet and it's TikTok and Twitter and, you know. Who's dating who? Who's dating? Who's dating. Who? even though none of us were there and they're just in their fields

and I feel like I think we next season I think we need to remind ourselves of that and stop responding to the like you know the madness the trolls who are like trying to get you to think that Huda might not show up and they don't know

anyways glad she's there I do think if anyone is going to hold anyone accountable because I think for the Huda critics out there there seems to be a lot of lack of accountability she obviously has a huge fan base and that fan base is up there supporting her telling her to like ignore the haters so to speak and I think yeah we'll see you know

do we know is she still is she still with Louis is that the vibe are they still together as far as I know can I just say and I will get into perfect match later we do have a great episode for you obviously Susie is here to have some fun with us Sandy from Perfect Match will be with us Louis X as in TV terms oh oh my God I was like wait what He's on screen X.

Yes. Fair. Other than Freddie, who was on our reality recap episode yesterday, if any one cares a list and go back in list. We also had Brian on yesterday. I missed it. And we had Lisa Hawkestein. Also known as Lisa Hoxton.

We thought it was Steen. Turns out it was Stein. I swear Bravo told me it was Steen. Yeah. Well, I still don't know if it's Ariana or Ariana. Fair. between Tom and Tom they both called him her different games

Is it vial? Is it vial? Who knows? Like, you know English language. So real. I didn't know Lisa was Jewish. Lenny. Yeah. Lenny. Lenny. Her husband. She's Jewish. Jewish. Yes.

I love Louis. You love Louis? I do too. Yeah. I don't, you know, my introduction to Louis was him. being Huda's side piece and then the drama of the Love Island Seedon 6 versus Huda, whatever that was. I don't know if it's a versus Vasses.

Wait. That was like a minute. That was good. It was really good. But who knows? But I fuck with Louis. Louis is like, I don't know how old Louis is? 24. 23. Okay. He's a good looking guy

who's 24 who just wants to fuck. And you know what? Honestly, good for him. And he's honest and he's up front. he doesn't fuck around all these other guys like this classic thing that a lot of these men do whatever it's like they don't they want to pretend to be the good guys they want to like it's the internal monologue of these young men who are like i want to settle down yeah someday yeah and someday means 35 in their head they don't really know right but like and so while they're dating they want all the women they date to be like oh my god like you are like husband material in 10

years whatever and so they they kind of operate in this whole like bizarre world of like thinking of themselves as like unproblematic men and so when they get like you know when they're dealing with adversity that's when they do all the bullshit right they they the maybe's the will sees and louise is kind of like he's pretty direct and he's pretty straightforward and he understands people might be upset with him or whatever but he's like i'm 24 and i'm hot and i have a british accent and i'm fuck and i don't i got no problem with that i hate that that makes perfect No, I'm obsessed. I mean, not like, not interested, but I'm obsessed in this sense that I'm like, 10 years from now, he is going to be so ready. He's going to be a good guy. He's on. I feel like honesty is like the biggest part of it. Straightforward. Yeah, he's not ready to settle down. But like, he's not trying to fool anybody is how I see it. And I'm like watching him on the show and I'm like, I'm here for it. I mean, he's the youngest one. He's probably the least ready for marriage. Not to pat myself on the back. But I've always operated that way. From the youngest, ever since I was like a. a young man with a little bit of game.

An honest fuck boy. I was. I was always an honest fuck boy. And like the young, you know, when I was a young man and then we'd be, I'd be in a dating situation and there'd always be like, I feel like back, you know, I'm a, not the tongue click. There was like always like a, there was always like, there was always like, hey, before we do this, I feel like the, the ladies back in the day when stuff was going down, they felt like

compelled to say, well, what are we? Yeah. What are we? I'm, you know, because they don't. Internally, they want to make sure, like, I think women today, even now, deal with this whole, like, you know, double standard society, like labeling them, like, slut shaming, things like that. So that internal, like, they don't necessarily feeling empowered to, like, say, you know, let's this fuck around have some fun. And I would be prompted with the question of like, so what is this? And I'll be like, like, what do you, what are we? And I always be like, I was just kind of like thought maybe it's fun. Just here for a good time. Just here for a good time. Yeah. It means nothing else. Yeah. And I was. And I was. And I was. And I was. would a it was always like in college it was always like oh no yeah cool you know like like you're supposed to be offended right i think people just they just want fucking honest but they respect honest i feel like if you can be honest we can respect you that's how

i see it yeah and i think that's louis that's my read on on louis do you think louis had a honest conversation with hudda about like not ready to be a stepdad oh yeah i don't think I don't know I that everything I just said aside I have no idea yeah that's so fair how to operate and like let us world I don't he could even maybe say that and she might still assume that he is even if he's already he is going to be a step yeah she might not be able to hear it yeah like I yeah that could be that's very possible it said to her but yeah but we don't know we don't know but anyways it's uh I'm sure it'll be a very

entertaining August 25th, I believe it drops. They had a dinner break. Is that something that is... All reunions take a long fucking time. They have to have meal break. They have 57 people to talk to. I mean, I've heard of like lunch break. They're covering 30 episodes.

That's true. There's a lot to get into. There's a lot of topics. And almost certainly we're going to feel like they didn't cover anything. Yeah. Because, you know, what's the longest, what they... They didn't do like a two-part special last time. was a one-off. Maybe they'll change that. Who knows? I kind of feel like with like Andy and everyone

being involved, I think it'll be like a little clearer because I feel like the reunion last year was kind of a waste. I feel like we spent 20 minutes watching a clip that we talked about all season, but didn't need to watch for the reunion. So I'm like, I feel like it's going to be a little bit more like fast-paced and straight to the point. I agree though. I think that that'll be good. I think that'll be better for the audience because yeah, I just used saying that I'm like, oh yeah, we did sit there and watch a 20 minute clip everyone was like what was that i will just never forget ariana being like to rob where it was like all of the lea stuff and like everything that had gone on he had like five different partners and she was like the question we all want to

know right are you still wearing the overalls and it's like nope no and be in the building yeah i think we're going to get some like uh never seen before footage that cast doesn't even know and then like them bringing up i kind of hope so yeah we didn't get movie night so that would be great could you imagine two part reunion i hope the producers are messy as fuck. This episode is brought to you by MintMobile. This summer, don't get burned by your old wireless bill. Make the switch to MintMobile.

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Yeah. Let's just be real here. That's a huge deal. But it's true. It's a really big day for the podcast community. Guys, we are it. We are it. Yeah.

No, we are the media. You know what I'm saying? Literally. That's terrifying. If Taylor Swift is announcing her album on a podcast. No, I'm serious. Yeah. And I'm just going to put it out there.

Well, I think she loves T. Revis. T.Ravis. She is a businesswoman first and foremost. Yeah. And if she didn't think this was good for biz, I don't think she'd do it. Because I don't think, like, Travis needs it. Nope. I mean, they've been dating for a really long time,

and she hasn't gone on the show yet, so. Yeah, but she's dated other people and it's not like she made a cameos on their TV shows or movies. You know what I know? She doesn't need to, like... She's Taylor Swift. She could drop an album at midnight and it'll still go, like, 500 triple platinum

just because she's Taylor Swift. Not everyone is deeply in love with their partner to the point they want to work, sleep, and do everything with them, like me and Natalie. You know what I'm saying? Like, not everyone is that in love. Yeah. That's no disrespect to anyone else who's not us.

Fair. I feel like this means like they are in it for the long haul because, one, it is good for business, but it's good for his business too. I thought about this. Like, they definitely are going to get engaged now. Either that or they already are. Or they already are. Like, there's no, or they're already married for all we know.

Like, I don't know. No, I don't think, does you think. I don't think she would, yeah. She doesn't seem secret wedding to me. I kind of feel like I wouldn't be shocked by that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and even then she could be. married now and be like, you know what, in a couple of years, if I want to have a huge blow

blowout, whatever. They've been pretty, they've been a very generous couple for the most part when it comes to their relationship and sharing it and like, you know, post Super Bowl win, Travis Kelsey on field PDA and things like that. Let's just give us the fucking royal wedding. I agree. This is, this is, I'm serious. Like, how would this be any, how would this be any less watch than when Princess

Diana and Charles RIP Diana got married? like how if they wanted to do like the royal wedding and like this would be all the networks yeah yes for the people still watching it wouldn't you know when like this might bring back network when the president makes a speech and like podcasting might go out the window like you remember when you were a kid and you turn it in TV

and your favorite TV show and like every channel was the press and you're like I don't give a fuck I don't you know that's this we could do that yeah I don't why not the thing about Taylor Swift is I do think if she's going to get married like she is such a like marketing wedding girlie that like if she does get married I do see there being like an entire rollout an album to go alongside with it like the wedding album right the wedding era my walk down the aisle I don't know if Danny used our wedding to drop an album I'd be kind of like really I mean we need

to like I want it to be about love but like it's Taylor it's about love but like it's being broadcast they're getting paid and I'd be like then you've cracked the code to the wedding industry the first like to get paid to get married on national television I would do it well it would be honestly like a she's not going to give charity like oh everybody gets a she would be a true trailblazer to the you know the the influencers of the world like you know when Lindsay Hubbard got roasted for like announcing her pregnancy via like a pregnancy test yeah when I was like at your back yeah good for you well Nick don't they give you like the Bachelor franchise they'll give people money sometimes to get married on camera I mean like it hasn't happened and yeah i think they have like the if you if you find the relationship on the show i think they get like the first offer at being like hey we'll pay this much to come on whatever thing there's something in our contracts that we sign where it's just like if we give a fuck about your relationship and you and you want to get married on tv it's already kind of prearranging your shitty contract it's more free wedding yeah rather than you get paid right but i actually

don't know that taylor swift like i don't know it would be a really fine line of like broadcasting your wedding, but also in a lot of ways, yes, they're generous, but they're also, like, kind of private. That's how I feel. I feel like I just, I could see it going either way where it's like she wants people to feel included, but at the same time she is, I don't know, I feel like it's

very real. Just do the thing that a lot of our friends do. We're just like, we're going to have a private ceremony. Yeah. And then we're going to have a party. Yes. So do the, what would you rather see the ceremony of the party? The party? The party. Oh, I need clips of both. I'm going to be honest. Ceremony. I'm like, I don't know what I need to see. Well, because you know there's going to be like a couple outfit changes. So do you want to see the

gown or do you want to see the party dress? I want to see the boots underneath. I don't need to see the whole thing because I won't be sitting there for that either. I never woke up for a royal wedding in my life. But like I would like to see the like them getting ready. The like her mom putting her dress together. Her like walking down the out. Like I don't need to hear everything but I would like to see the like packaged. I want to know who's fighting behind the scenes. I want to know the family drama. I don't think there would be. I don't know if there would be. There's always drama at a wedding. But it's like not for like the people that are in the wedding. It's like you guys.

have to find out, like, oh, wait, so-and-so did what at my wedding? Yeah, that's what I want to see at Taylor's wedding. Yeah, I mean, like, there would be like a million guests there. Like, somebody doesn't get along with somebody. But I feel like the Kelsey's and the Swifts are like the nicest people is what I've seen. So I'm like, would there be a fight? Like, I feel like both families are so nice. There's always drama behind the scenes. Not like a fight, but there's always like, whether it's something between the bridesmaids, whether it's like a guest, Kristen Doty punching James at Sheena's wedding. I mean, we had our drama at our wedding that had nothing to do with.

Things like that. That's where I'm like, there's little things that, like, none of us would know about from a package wedding video. But yeah, like, that's where I'm like, I would want to know, like, the little things that, like, went on that, like, aren't really that big of a deal. I don't think anyone's getting punched at a Taylor Swift wedding. But, like, if so, I would love to hear about it. Yeah. Although, yeah, you're right. There's also, like, tons of football players. So, like, lots of testosterone. What if, like, Andy Reid gets into some, like, major, major drama. I will have a friend at the wedding when I have three of a wedding. Wait, really? Inside her tea. Oh, wow. Have them on the.

pod. See, that's the thing. I'm like, I feel like Taylor Swift would have people sign an NDA for her wedding. Right. Oh, 100%.

But then I'm like, would we see it? I know. So that gives private. You still make them sign an NDA, even if it's televised, right? That doesn't make any sense.

If it's not so true. There's a, we're going to show what we want to show and you don't get to, you know what I'm saying? So then that would be like, yeah, it would be like no phones, no.

Yeah. There's people living in the moment. People will take photos and post anything and get, send that to a magazine, whatever it is. I don't know. I think it would be tough

to be Taylor Swift getting married and figuring out the right way to go on it. So true. At that point I might just have like a secret wedding. Yeah, 12 people in the backyard,

a witness. Kind of sounds easier after all this. You know? Right. Now that we've talked about it, like I'd have a lope. Yeah. Like announce it on a podcast and a new album.

In other news, we have a little Bachelor in Paradise. Jeremy is attempting to clear his name. So why can I say Jeremy? Jeremy from the Midwest It's just not how you say Jeremy So okay, let's try it

In the spirit of phonetics That we've been talking about In this episode I do have a problem with English So GER Uh, me Is there an A? How do you tell?

Jeremy It's an E It's Jeremy There's an extra E J-E-R-E-M-1 Jeremy Jeremy. Jeremy.

It's the ex I think you might have to say it with like the extra syllable Jeremy I really put the little extra emphasis on that Jeremy It's not a great name

That's my brother's name doesn't make it good I mean listen My last name's sex I mean I let my mom know Mile vial I'm still not completely sure No I get confused every time

You know Mary What's gonna on that And I'm just kidding My last my mom's name It's so religious You know Mother of Christ Whatever

I know when I was little I was convinced I was gonna like Literally No I was convinced that like I would just get pregnant Out of like nothing Oh wow I thought it was going to be

And my dad's a pastor So like When you introduce yourself You're like hi and Mary Or people like Oh my God I mean no I think when they find out

My dad's a pastor And but it was my grandma My mom's mom's name was Mary So I was named after her Yeah yeah Anyway And it just worked Because my dad's kids have like

Religious names or whatever Anyway And then I turned out like this So I mean Names only did so much Anyways Jeremy Jeremy took to Instagram yesterday and posted slides from his time with Bachelor

Unbatchel in Paradise with Bailey and said, Why is they, this is a picture he led with? This is the first picture. Are they on their way to heaven? He said vibes. All right. Anyways, what did Susie's ex say? Susie's ex said, watching the past few weeks back has been tough.

A lot of what's aired doesn't show the full story. The small, meaningful moments are important conversations that brought Bailey and I closer. Our relationship grew so much beyond the 0.1% of what's shown on TV. But unfortunately, so much of the focus has been on a small part of what we actually experienced in paradise. My time on the beach wasn't perfect. There were many ups and downs. And I'll own the mistakes I made. At the end of the day, only Bailey and I know the reality of what we went through.

And I hope people can respect that. I don't really know what he's asking for. Like, just like no more criticism. My take is that he posted this so that he could sneak this photo in. Yeah, I'm not sure with this phone. has anything to do. That's a great take. Yeah. I've definitely been guilty of that for sure. Like there's a hot pick of you and you're like, how can I not make this about me but like slide this in? How can I like casually slide this in so that everyone will see it? But it's not the

first picture. Wait, that's so real. Instead we're going to go with that. Can you scroll to the last photo, Leia, just because I'm like, I just don't understand why this wasn't the first. I agree. That's a fabulous photo. It's the same outfits. It's the same day. Do you think he's trying to go, like, aesthetic? Well, we know that Bailey had nothing to do with this post. No, yeah, at Instagram. Bailey is, like, the...

She works in social media, right? She literally came on the show and says, I'm an influencer. No, no, but she's good at the selfies. And I will say, I'm a little stalker, so I went to hers because I wanted to see if she reposted it. I'm just doing that right now. She did it. She did it. She posted something else, though.

She reposted multiple cast members post that day. and not Jeremy's, but I don't know, maybe they don't want to give away that they could possibly be still together. Kathy, man. I will say, I message Bailey. I mean, we're cool where we follow each other. And I did say, because I was seeing, like, so much of the Jeremy Susie, and I was like, hey, I just have to say, when I was on the date with Jeremy, I knew he wasn't picking me. Like, obviously, I guess I want to be careful of saying stuff that, like, didn't air. But I'm like, but we had a conversation.

I don't want you to be careful. I think for my sake, I'm like, okay, I don't want to say too much, but I'm like, I remember a conversation with him where he didn't, he never said like, oh, I'm not going to pick you. But I was like, it was very clear that he was like, I have been growing something with Bailey. We've been, you know, we've been here for longer. I'm actually shocked at like finding somebody so quickly. Like I remember being like, okay, so I'm going home. Like, and that's like, that's cool. I respect it, you know. But I told her that because I was like, obviously that stuff doesn't make the cut. And it's just like this whole thing about. me and Jeremy, but, but I mean, I felt it when I was there. I was like, yeah, like, I don't have a chance. I think that also adds, like, a lot of context to Jeremy's crash out. It's, like, not knowing that, that, like, he was really fully in on Bailey. It literally does look like from the edit that he was almost all in on you and, like, compensated with Bailey. I mean, regardless of why he did what he did when he confessed his love to Susie, maybe he's just reacting to the hurt that.

Because Bailey went on the date. Because Bailey went on a date. But just the problem. that I think everyone has with how Jeremy has handled this is he just has never really just owned it. You know? It's always like I didn't think it was a big deal.

Obviously this show is edited I'm sure from Jeremy's point of view Jeremy. What the fuck? It's just funny. I think you just lean into Jeremy. Thank you. I respect it. You guys honestly stop correcting me and we just know who I'm talking about

and if you know, you just say Jeremy and I just repeat it because I think it's funny and charming. To be clear, I'm not talking shit when I say it. I just, I just thought, I mean. Did you guys intentionally spell his name wrong on that, on that post the other day? Oh, no, well. No, did we spell it wrong? Yeah.

Wait, you guys aren't familiar with this? I think he corrected you guys on your post. Did he? Yeah. Which I thought was so funny. I thought it was so funny of everybody. I was like, oh, this is, this is a tea. I think, you know, like when we interviewed Brian, listen, I get it's new for all these people.

Well, Jeremy? Yep, you nailed it. Has done TV before. But, like, yeah, I think they all want their cake and eat it to, right? They, you know, it's the whole main character thing. Clayton, he's going on perfect match, thinking he's a good guy. And I think Clayton is a good guy. But, like, sometimes, like, you chose to go on the show.

You chose to, you know how this shit works. And he is trying to, like, I think the biggest criticism we have as fans and is sometimes when they try to edit themselves or dictate the narrative. Listen, whether you were in love with Susie or mad at Bailey, you did this shit. And then you tried to, like, handle it the way you wanted to handle it best for yourself.

Which, and he chose to, like, not tell Bailey. Yep. And told other people. And regardless of how deep it was or wasn't, like, that's what everyone is responding to. Yeah. Right? The guy who, and Jeremy, come, you know,

presents himself as someone who's like you know we hear from his friends he he's like he's a straight shooter he's sarcastic you know he's you know he's taking naps whatever but like you know he portrays himself is like a no bullshit guy but he's just been full of bullshit you know and it's just more like he's up in people's like we get it man we get it i understand like everything we're seeing i'm sure there's some context missing or whatever maybe when you you said you wanted to get engaged in Susie, it was like one of his sarcastic jokes that Brian is just like deciding to like run with, run with and just not back down because he doesn't want to be called a liar.

Whatever the fuck. We like everyone is going to accept him and Bailey if they're really together. Minus again, like if he's if he's in their comments and trying to change everyone's mind online, that's just like a recipe for disaster. But like Jeremy, we get it. Like you're like if you, assuming you guys are together, we think you're visiting her in Portugal. We're rooting for you guys.

But in the meantime, while this show is airing and you did your shit, we're going to respond to that. And in this post, this post isn't like, hey, listen, I fucked up. I could have handled it a lot better. I wasn't straightforward with anyone. I handled it inappropriate. If I could go back, I would have just been up front. None of this whole like, you're not seeing things, but like we're not seeing the important stuff. We get it.

You weren't in the editing room and the editors aren't picking your favorite moments. Right. You know what I'm like? That's all his post. the saying is like you know you can see my favorite moments our favorite moments if we were editing this show so post that's why you have the power of a platform and that's why you guys going forward as i tell like every person who goes on these shows like the good news is whatever happened now you're in charge of your edit so like handle yourself accordingly you know and right now

germy's edit that he's in charge of right now kind of is the same as his bachelor edit if you're asking me which is kind of like kind of making excuses towing the line you know Like kind of like arguing like stupid little things. It just be like, yeah, I, I'm not that up front. Yeah. Yeah. I was like a big thing for me was, and I don't think it's really been talked about, but it was just the fact that he woke up from the nap after Bailey was freaking out.

And then he came out, talked to people and then went back to bed where I was like, I thought he was going to go talk to Bailey. Yeah. And whatever happened or didn't happen, Jeremy definitely said, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. Yeah. And Bailey showed us that it was. Yeah. In the moment, maybe she's over it, she's now defending him, she's gotten over it because, you know, cooler heads prevailed. And she, you know, a mature woman that Bailey clearly is was, you know, got out of her ego and got out of the whole like, well, I can't believe you. And it's the principle of it. She didn't like break up with a good guy that she likes because of like some TV mistake in a moment of like confusion or passion. She, they work through it. Good. Yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that he handled it shitty. Yep. And that we're processing it now. I think that's a big.

part that people forget who are on the show, even myself. It's like, okay, I relive, or I lived this months ago and now I have to relive it and deal with the consequences all over again, which sucks. But you kind of have to lean in and be like, okay, everyone's just now learning about this and processing it for the first time now. So you kind of got to like ride the ride with them, you know, because it's hard. I don't want to share some you leaning in. Yeah, I'm going to say you controlling your narrative has been very fun to watch. Here's a video that Susie posted, poking fun at the phone call.

Hello. It's over. I told my wife. Who is it? What did your caption say? Actual footage of me getting the phone call in the Costa Rican airport. That's awesome.

Yeah, listen, I, and maybe it just comes with practice. I don't know. This is only your second time on the TV show. yeah i think i'm just like sick in the head i think that's what it is also i got lucky i got out of there quick you know there wasn't a lot to work with for me no but you've always i mean shit i remember the first time meeting you and that was like you coming from afr from that like fuck show of an afr where you were like arguably one of the more hated people online in that moment and you were

just like a star you came in under like you got it right and i just mean like there's just a level of again main character syndrome that all these people have where there's a little bit of a disconnect between like going on a TV show and just like I don't know I'm not saying all the things are fair and right and that the internet isn't a prick I just think if you're gonna do an unserious show you some you can't be so serious can't take yourself so seriously and I say this as someone who like listen like there's the other side of it is like these people are like it's real life for them. And a lot of the emotions I experienced on the show were my real feeling. They're all real feelings and they were personal. But you do have to learn the side of like kind of making

fun of yourself a little bit or a fun of a silly situation. And if you can just own that, like it's just it lands so much better with people because you're, you will never win with the internet. The people that Jeremy is trying to argue with in the comments don't want to be convinced that they're wrong. Right. And he's wasting. his energy trying to convince, like, he's arguing with probably 17-year-olds. And all he has to do is just make a funny joke, make a little ha-ha about like, well, that was a bad look, wasn't it? And it would be like, we'd be like, yeah, yeah, it was, Jeremy. You know what I mean? That's accountability and a little humor. But I'm like, when you go

into it, like, I've taken this road very serious. It's like you're on Bachelor in Paradise competing for $500,000. Like, let's not, let's not make this seem like it was a life or death decision and that we're all coming at you so hard. Like, all right, well, it is Time for the Mint Mobile Hot Take Hotline. We're bringing it back because it was so much fun the first time. And we have been doing this for a long time sharing our hot takes. But it's nice to finally hear from you guys, the fans, the extension of our household to get your opinions about all the shows that we are covering. All right.

So we got two hot takes. And then we'll jump into a little Valley reunion. And then we'll get to our guest, our star of today's episode, Sandy is with us. So without further ado, the Mint Mobile Hot Take Hotline. And if you want to share your hot take, don't forget to call 1-855-8-T-L-K. That's 855-6-4-6-8-8-8-55. Anyways, our first hot take is right now. So my hot take, I'm not sure if it will get shared because I feel like you guys are kind of close with these people.

But probably two years ago, you guys had Justin Glaze on the show. And this was back when he and Susie and Andrew were all hanging out. It's about Susie. And you guys asked him, at this point, Andrew and Susie were putting out a lot of content together. And people were kind of like, you know, really shipping them together, thought that they were the couple. And you guys asked Justin, like, what's the T, what's going on? And he responded and was just like, well, I'm just basically just trying to be a supportive friend, just trying to be there for Susie, whatever, you know, whatever she decides she wants. So my hot take is that she and Andrew actually made the more sense of the couple and had the better connection instead of she and Justin.

Y'all are sick for this. y'all are sick and twisted total coincidence yeah surely that's sweet didn't you realize you were gonna be here this is a real hot take from one of our callers we just it happened to be one of our favorites I love that um that's a really funny hot take I mean I mean I don't I'm picturing when you guys became friends like playing spin the bottle one day and then like what's that what's that movie with um Zendaya the tennis movie that she's in. Challengers. Yes. And I'm picturing Susie on the edge of the bed with Andrew and Justin. Did you make them kiss?

The boys? Of course. I will be making that in Cambridge. Oh my gosh. Y'all, my heart is racing. I did not know what that was about to say. And I was like, where is this going? But that's really funny.

I love Andrew. I think he's like one of the funniest people. You guys obviously love him here too. He's hysterical. but yeah, that's just the way that cookie grumbled, you know? I think it sounds like Andrew's with Alex still. I think so. I was kind of

getting that vibe. I kind of hoped so. I was getting that vibe. They're so cute on the show. Right? Yeah. I really like them. I want to see more. No. Hot take number two? Yeah, I mean, I guess you put that to bed. Yeah. Was there anything between you and Andrew? No, there was never anything. Never, I know. I didn't think there was anything between me and Justin either,

though. I was like, these guys do not care. So if Andrew does come out single, is there any universe where it could still happen? That's giving the summer I turned pretty. I was just going to take her exes best of front. That's giving high school. And I am watching the summer I turn pretty.

I need real life. Summer I turn pretty vibes. That would be real life the summer I turn pretty. Like that would be crazy. Don't you want to be belly? Yeah. That's funny. okay sorry we have uh i think we have another hot take okay hi nick and friends and natalie i love

natalie i think she said gorgeous anyways um my hot take is that reality tv isn't going to be reality tv if we stop in quotes platforming bad reality tv men because if you really think about it the valley or not the valley vanderpump would not be vanderpump without jacks in the scandal of season or Sandoval with Tom, Southern Charm would be nothing without Thomas Ravanaugh. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, we don't want to platform them. Obviously, we don't want to be like they're great people, but I don't think reality TV would be what it was without them.

I mean, obviously we have housewives and women can definitely step up and handle that. But I enjoy watching terrible men do terrible things because I think it's a highlight on real-life situation. I think it's so entertaining. And I honestly don't know what the shows would be. without them. I mean, there's the Valley with Danny, and, like, he's such a great guy, and we love him, but would it really be that entertaining if everybody wasn't coming against him, and he was having, like, not having to, you know, fight for his character.

I mean, obviously, it's really hard to watch, but it gave him a storyline. So, I don't know. I think it goes both ways. I struggle with this, but at the same time, I just don't think the shows would do what they are. I mean, Tom Sandwell went on traitors, and the man was born for television. So, I don't know. I go back and forth to Jack, but let me tell your thoughts. Love you guys. that's a great take but I have like I think there's a middle ground my middle ground it's not it's not that yes I this whole call like whatever it's kind of an extension of cancel culture works is like if you have a problem of someone you deem them is like morally reprehensible you can't platform

them like you have to shun them like you can't interview someone who like people disagree with like I don't I don't subscribe to that and yes on reality TV I'm not we're not look we want drama yeah we want toxicity we do the problem I have specifically which is often with Bravo is that it's only that and there's just a you know like the jacks tailor of it all there's no there's no arc there's no it's no it's just the same bullshit every time and the jesse lolly of it all and it's like i want at least one redeeming guy i want i don't want it to be like all men are fucking pigs and toxic and i or i want i want characters that have some layers you know that range where

it's just like yeah they can fuck up and make a selfish decision and then take some of countability and then we have a glimpse into like other prowls in their life like all we see with the valley is interpersonal relationships and drama within the group and i think bravo has gotten a little too deep into that where i think you know i wasn't a big housewives fan back in the day but it used to be back in the day there the drama wasn't just in the group it was drama in their lives their businesses you know like this real life drama that like people go through that isn't just about like, well, you said this about me and I said this about you and we're all fucked up and drunk and whatever.

Or I'm repeating what you said that you didn't actually say. And now that's the whole story. And the one good guy that we think is a good guy, Danny, is like, is just defending, you know, as we'll get into the valley, like whether he's, you know, groping people or things like that. And it's just a bunch of the assholes who are the people who seemingly have no redeeming qualities, trying to bring the people with some redeeming qualities down. And I think that's the part that people are just fucking sick of. Yeah. I don't want to watch people that also have no moral compass, try to bring other people down. And then like that's just the level that we're staying at. I need range. I need somebody starting a company. I need somebody like talking about the struggles of raising a family or like how tough it can be, all the, all the great things about it. But yeah, I'm constantly just seeing Jax is in rehab. Jacks is abusive. Jesse Lolley is calling his ex-wife a street. I don't even know. I know another right word for it. Thank you. But it's like these types of things where I'm like there's not one moment where you leave the valley being like, okay, well,

I'm happy for so-and-so. You know, you're just like, okay, thank God, Zach has a one-liner or, you know, Luke comes in as a voice of reason, but I'm like so far and few between. Well, it's also, like, what do we know about Zach? Nothing. He's a right-ed-eye for Brittany. Yeah. And it's like, I think, Robo's the tendency sometimes with, like, the gay people they put

on their cast to, like, have them for drama or have them, like, in relation with someone else and not give them their own, like, independent storyline. So they seem really toxic and they seem, like, bad people. And it's like, well, you're not getting to see who. they are as people in their actual relationships outside of the drama on this show. Yeah. And then we're stuck trying to decide to like, do we talk about the people whose drama is centered around, the people who just are obsessed with people talking about them for

the sake of talking about them, like a la like of the Jacks and other people. Yeah. And I don't like, that's this, that part's annoying. Yeah. Yeah. And so I agree. I'm like, I especially when she brought up Thomas Ravenel for Southern Charm, I'm like, yeah, that's a disgraced congressman having to drop out.

of the race for a cocaine charge like you can't write that shit no it's fucking great it's perfect and then get someone pregnant you know like like as he's trying to have his redemption art but again there's so much more going on that it was like Thomas was like just one part of what made that season so great so I'm like I agree with her but I definitely agree with Nick that I'm like there needs to be balanced you need to show me some highs if you're going to bring me down to the lows and then just keep me here yeah you know bring me back up well we'll do it for today's mint mobile hot take a hotline Don't forget, we want to hear your scorching hot takes as well. All you have to do is call 1-855-Ment-T-L-K, or if you prefer the numbers, that's 855-6-8-8-5-5-8-5-5, and leave us a voicemail.

Again, just call 8-5-Ment T-LK or 8-5-6-8-8-5 and leave us a message. Well, speaking of toxic men, since we're on the subject, let's get into a little Valley Reunion Part 3, putting this dark season to bad. It's our, hopefully, the last time we'll ever have to talk about fucking Jack's Taylor. Can I ask you, leaving the third part of the reunion, I honestly thought it was more lighthearted and, like, fun than the entire season. I kind of enjoyed this episode. My absolute favorite part was Andy Cohen at the end, where you put Jesse in his place. And he kind of was like, hey, you want to fucking work here? This is how this fucking shit works.

You don't get to fucking dictate terms. I like that he acknowledged that, like, when they have parties, this is a, it's a set. We're making a, we're making a TV show. You don't get to bring your friends to, like, honestly, protect you. and then have, like, I mean, it is horseshit that Jesse is bringing someone who then sue's legal action. This person, whoever this person is, she fucking sucks. You want to, you want to come in and be dramatic, and then you don't like how it went

down, and then you get legal representation and then sue the mother of your boyfriend's child. Like, you're a piece of shit. Yep. I don't know who you are, but you're a piece of shit. And I'm glad that Andy, like, put Jesse in his place. And I don't know if just, you know, but, like, the fact. that Jesse looked so small and so like demure in that moment was this

like my favorite part of this season. My little feet were like kicking under the blankets. I was like oh my god I have to watch that again. That was so great. Also Zach's face being like Jesse might as well have responded, yes sir. Tail between his legs was like oh okay he's like yeah I would grab your girl and I'd put a microphone on her and sit her right

on the couch. And he goes because that's how this works. Wow. Is that what he said? It was something too where he had productions back to because I think Jesse was trying to like blame production for and he goes, that's their job. Yeah. He's like, they put a boom mic in her face. It's like, yeah.

Because she showed up, she walked into our house. She showed up to work. Yeah. This is your job. While we're filming, while cameras are up, this is your job. I'm going to go ahead and guess. Signed a release. I'm going to guess.

Of course. Yeah. It's like, and then you're going to like emotionally terrorize. Jesse's such a piece of shit. Do we want a little rapid? Oh, yeah. Give us that right rib rehab, man. All right.

If you missed the Valley reunion part three this week, do I have a rapid recap for you? Okay, here's what happened. Janet says that Danny Darko has made other women uncomfortable in the past, including Brittany, who defends Danny. But like, is Britney the best person to clock a man's inappropriate behavior? Maybe not. Jason finally admits that everyone on the stage has issues with alcohol, work found in kitchen, et cetera, et cetera.

Jasmine claims she didn't make up the whack rumors that Jason takes his ring off, and Leah, can you please play the video? For what I have to say to Jason. His hair, whack. It's gear, whack. His jewelry, whack. His foot stands, whack. The way that he talks, whack.

The way that it doesn't even like to smile, whack. Me, I'm tight as for. Andy asked a diva question to Janet, which is, do you owe Kristen an apology for making you relevant? to which Kristen responded, you're not that important of fans to be relevant, which is Kristen, Don Draper, Doty.

Kristen was awesome. Chris was awesome. And he also asked everyone to raise their hands if they thought Janet was a Karen and nobody did. That was fucked. My favorite tweet of the night

was someone saying when they asked, I raised my hand in my living room. They're a dirty motherfucking lives. Because like this, it was the definition of a Karen where Janet kept saying like, well, that's the definition

of sexual assistance. up and it's like there's not there's no nuance in that statement and like that's that's the problem with someone like you who is going to go like and weaponize like the definition of things when maybe that's not what it was you're arguing over semantics and over something that is incredibly serious and then painting herself as a victim because like all she's doing is reading a definition and i don't know why everyone's coming at me because i know how to read a book yeah however uh the most important part of the episode was when jacks revealed that his burner account character frank dramed is actually pronounced Frank Drevin, who is Leslie Nielsen's character from the naked gun. And yes, Jacks did spell his burner and count's name wrong. And this is maybe the most poetic way for Hemsley, Bravo. R.P. Frank Draymond and Jacks Taylor, your cameos will live on forever as well as the harm you have caused for every single woman you've ever encountered. Janet denied being a fan saying she thinks Kristen has this idea that she had a good as gold

poster in her childhood bedroom when we all know she actually had a poster. of the Menendez brothers. Janet defended her comments saying Daly sexually assaulted Jasmine and Alyssa, and Zach had the only normal reaction at that conversation, which was, I don't want to be on this couch right now. Michelle's lawyer told her not to rock about a screaming match

which has a girlfriend off camera at the Zen party, to which Andy was like, you think I care about lawyers? Why the hell was this not on camera? Jesse, get that bitch a mic pack or you're off the show. And Jesse looked like he was going to poop his pants. Overall, Andy Cohen finally chose violence with his cast of charismatic freaks,

and I'd like to thank him. And thank God, Jacks Taylor will not return. What will Frank Draymond? Dreben. Drebin. Find out next season on the Valley. There is also a question. I don't know if you guys noticed this. Connor and I rewound it twice.

When Andy asked if everybody thought that Janet was being reckless with the term that she used, and a lot of people rose their hands. Brittany did this really weird thing that at the same time, she starts adjusting her strap. So it looks like her hands kind of going up. up, but if Janet's looking at her, she's not raising her hand. It was really weird, and I just had to call that out because it was like one of those, like, she's like, oh, it was a little reckless, but like, I'm just a just-mustra up, Janet. I won't say a bad thing against you.

Interesting. Brittany is trying to play both sides. Exactly. Exactly. Like Janet Danny thing. And it's a really weird time in her life for her to be doing that. We don't need to talk about it, but I do want to just acknowledge it because it did make the edit. but the callback photos

of Brittany and Zach The way Brittany looks in the second photo versus now is that's not the same person No She's still pretty

She's just enhanced I didn't say anything I wasn't about I'm just like I think Jack's just really Oh for sure fucked her mentally About how herself and her And how

Her image Perception Because he's sick But the best part was also finding out that Jax did not watch the reunion. So, like, when they brought up the, was it, Fred Dremman, Frank Dremman, that I'm like, he had no idea. He was like, he didn't watch the show, yeah.

Yeah, who did that? Oh, you mean my burner account? And it's like, yes, babe, your burner account. And he was like, everyone has a burner account. It's not a big deal. I don't. I don't. I do.

Oh, hell yet. I know. Tell us more. Yeah, what's the name at, you know, where can people find you? I do have a burner account. You do? No. Oh, you don't.

Oh, gosh. It was a question. You do have a burner. Oh, yeah, I do. I do. It's like, you know how you find out your stripper name? It's that. But I won't share it because, like, I don't want anyone to find me.

Does it include a middle name in the street you lived on? No, it's your, yeah, the street you live on in your first pet, right? My first pet's name, yeah. Her name was Crystal. Let me just say that. She's a freak. Are you trolling people on your burner account? No.

It's to stalk. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I would never. Because you can trace it back to some of my emails, you know. You're not like, oh, my God, Susie's the bad. Ah, you go, girl. She's a legend.

I iconic behavior. And then I log into my next one. Wow, beautiful. Thank you so much, girl. Yeah. Love a fan. Did anybody else think it was kind of weird when Jason was going after Danny? And he was, like, saying that everybody was an alcoholic.

The way he was so proud of himself for, like. Admitting he had a problem? It's like, yeah, we get it. You guys are all, you guys all abuse alcohol. in different ways. And yes, we get it. Danny, I've met a million dannies. I've been friends with a million dannies, the type of guy who, like, can't hold his liquor and just kind of gets a little weird, drunk.

And like, yeah, maybe he, you know, maybe he needs to change his liquor or drink less, whatever. The point is, is like these, as everyone has pointed out week after week after week, it's like, it's just the double standard. It's the come, it says using this one thing to come at the guy who in the, like, the whole scope of things seems like the highest quality guy in this group with a lot going on with just being a dad and all these things and yada yada yada and it's the way yeah the way janet and jason lie about danny and nia and just like are just dying on this hill to like try to prove to

us that like danny and nia aren't who they claim to be like whatever that is i don't even know who they claim to be yeah they just claim not to be like toxic with each other yeah because like the the way this group the group is trying to paint like again the everyone's talked about this. We've talked about it a million times. It's just the energy they're bringing to Nia and Danny is the energy that should be brought to Jesse and Jax. And the fact that it's not being brought

is this the most nauseating and frustrating and kind of disgusting behavior from this group. And we're judging these people based off that double standard. Because, Danny, Jason out of nowhere when Kristen was like, you can't say that. Like, what do you have a drinking problem? He was like, every day it's a struggle for me. And I was just like,

well, let's unpack that. instead of projecting on other people. Yeah. Deal with your own shirt. I will say I feel like Nia and Danny held their own really well. And I feel like they like she kind of holds him accountable. And even her bringing up the comment being like, I didn't just forgive him. Like we both did individual therapy.

We did therapy together. Like I feel like they kind of held their own, which I was really proud of them. I feel like they're like giving accountability in the best way that you can. And I also think it's really fucking rich for Janet after spending an entire first season being like, I'm pregnant, don't, da, da, da. And then it's like you're coming at Nia. and her husband. Right. And it's like you, the audacity. Because I felt really bad when Nia was like talking about that and just feeling very stressed. And I'm just like, why are you, why, and why are we spending two episodes talking about Danny's drinking and not Jacks throwing a

woman in a bush? Why are we not talking about Jacks wearing lips? Why are we not talking about Jack's coming after a happy marriage? No, but we're going to sit here and go every single cast member, what is your issue with Danny and Nia on this side of the couch? Like, ugh, that pissed me off. And Kristen, Kristen, MVP, MVP of this reunion, she was shutting things down left and right, was like you have no right to say anything about it. And she goes, yeah, I was coming after you because you're coming after my friends.

And I told you as being an asshole. My favorite was when she was like, you're not important enough. Sorry, the fans don't. No one cares about you. Like, that's how I'm saying. You can just tell, like, it's like she's such a season vet. Oh, yeah.

Like a professional, you know, where you clearly, these are like the rookies and they don't really know what they're doing. and like you know it's like christen's just so like this is such amateur hour and then like when she opens her mouth you're just like yeah finally some good fucking food all right well that will do it for the valley

for a long time thank fucking god up next sandy from perfect match joins us return to the show she uh we're gonna have her address mary since um mary called her solace the first time they met um can you just sit there in that corner when that happens yeah Well, you tell Sandy that Mary's in time out for the last time.

Yeah, we haven't. Yeah, Mary's been in that corner for the last year. It's the last time you're here. We feed her twice a day, but she's been there. Wait, does Sandy know? Yeah. Sandy called her. Well, you'll hear the story.

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Do you remember your first time? Oh, do I remember. Was it traumatic? A little bit. Yeah. Not as traumatic as I thought it would be the first time, actually. Because we're really nice people. Yeah, you guys are actually really nice.

You're a little scary online when you're, you know, the brunt of the hate, but you're actually really nice. Do you remember Mary? Yes, I remember you, actually. I'm like, damn. These people are cold. Do you remember Mary, though? Yeah. Do you remember?

What was she saying? Mary remembers. What were you saying, Mary? Well, a little backstory to Mary is that when you came on, you know, understanding it now that you're the season vet that you are, you're a professional reality TV star, now you're getting paid. Like before it was just like I got trauma in my relationship Yeah, but it's a little fun Now you're a working professional So we understand that you were coming in

With a little vulnerability that time Oh, so you guys took advantage? No, no, no, no. But like Mary, it was like her second day at work Oh, no way. I'd been working here as an editor And I'd started like coming on the show Okay, okay

And I'm running my mouth Yeah, kind of giving some takes, you know? Yeah I think you ran your mouth a little You did your job That's like they're like We need you on the floor, Mary Yeah

And I No no no Justin Dexie Wait no come on It's okay Mary has so much trauma About this That he forgets

Oh great You have trauma Well how do you think I feel So After you had filmed They're going deeper We were out in the editing bay

And you're talking to Natalie And she was like Encouraging you To like not listen to what people Have said about you Not to look at comments Yeah don't listen

In the episode And you were like Yeah I know some people say some really awful things and Natalie was like, well, what was the worst thing that's been said about you that you saw? And you were like, well, actually, I was called Solis. No, no, she goes, you turn to Mary and you point at her. Well, you called me Solis. Oh, see? You call me out. I'm going to call you out. I'm going to call me out. I'm going to know I think about it all the time and I really, I feel bad. Oh, it's okay. I don't worry. No, but it was good. Yeah. Because I was like, oh, yeah. I didn't realize. that like people would actually listen and like take it oh yeah you know just just the good old trauma no no no that's funny well you know i don't think you're solo okay well i know i know i'm not soulless i have a very big heart and a big soul so it's okay where do you want to start where do you want to start you're the host well okay fine i am doing big things

um i want to start with jr of course how do they know that was going to to happen. I say this. I mean this in the nicest way coming off of the soloist conversation where we recognize they're all people. And my wife is not here at the moment. So I am speaking. We find him to be one of the most disgusting and revolting people on TV. Oh my gosh. And it's really just based on his like just constant like comments around like sex and and just objectifying women quite honestly in a way that just like he's always like, yeah. I'm like, I'm your fucking Danny. And I'm, you know, my dick my time yeah and I so like I guess my first question is like

why in the fuck would you entertain JR on your second run is this like we don't is this like a timing thing because like now we know you film perfect match before we even before we even before we even saw it yeah so then my question is like is is this J.R. just like is really unlucky with his edit and he's like being frank but but he's saying this shit to you guys or is it or is it just like in ITMs and you guys

don't realize just how disgusting of a mind he seems to have when it comes to talking about women. I mean, I think it's a combination. Like, he does say these weird comments, which are just like, you know, and it's hard because with editing, they, of course, they're going to air every single weird comment he says, and they're not going to air some of the other things that are said. But I think it's- Let me open the door for you.

Anyways, no. That ass. No. I know he. Bet you're thinking about my dick, you know, like. Well, I will say. His ITMs, like the interviews, like his intro, I literally lost my voice from screaming so loud at the TV when I saw his intro for perfect match because I was just, no, that's not okay. And there were a lot of moments like that with Ultimatum, too, when I actually watched it back and kind of saw what he was saying, you know, behind the camera and whatnot and just some of the other women.

And yeah, I think with perfect match, obviously we filmed that before we ever saw Ultimatum before that aired. And so before I got to kind of see full picture of how everything was. But I do think that with perfect match, like this was kind of the season that they brought back some of the exes, made it messy on purpose. And I quite frankly knew that they brought J.R. in there for me. So I kind of, you know, I led into that a little bit just because you were being easy to work with. Yeah. Which was also a lesson that I learned through ultimatum and perfect match a little bit. I think sometimes I was a little bit too, like, cooperative with some of the things that, like, you know, production wanted because I was just, I'm a, you know, I'm a good castmate.

I don't know if you ever plan on going back to reality. Yeah. Is it a possibility? Okay. Yeah. You're great on it. Thank you. You're welcome.

Thank you. I don't want a manspline or anything. Can I offer you some unsolicited reality TV advice? Yeah, please. You got to, well, it's back to, like, I think going in. I think a lot of reality TV stars, you know, you want to have a good relationship with production. They obviously sometimes take advantage of that relationship, knowing that, like, people want to be easy to work with. But I think, you know, to try to not even humanize producers, they're just people who have a job and they're trying to get the best people out of people.

And I think sometimes, especially in today's day and age, they are so used to reality TV stars coming in, trying to protect their edit, trying to like, you know. Go against what the production is asking. And just not not really speak, say how they really feel. And I think in that moment where you were asked, let's say you had a strong opinion of JR, you get asked to like go on this day. You're thinking like, fuck it. I'll just be like a team player type of thing. I'll give them what they want, whatever. And I think if you have something better to offer, they'll listen.

I think they're just used to a lot of people coming in and just like playing it safe and not knowing what to do. So they're trying to make the best possible scenes. But if you were to be like, I don't fuck with this guy and here's why. And let me just tell them what I think. Right. They would have rather had that moment. They would love that. Rather than like the stupid date of you pretending there's something there and blah, blah, blah, blah. And you know what I'm saying? But like they're just assuming you're not going to give that. So they want they'll, they'll like, you know what I'm saying? Totally. It's like there's like the main storyline. And then there's actually like what's happening. And if you can actually get what's happening and bring it to the top, that's actually more interesting. Yeah. Than the storyline of, oh, we're on a date. We're kind of into each other. And that is something that I had a hard lesson learning with reality. TV because, again, like, I filmed Ultimatum and then I filmed perfect match before that even came out. But I'm really happy with, like, how that went. But my biggest lesson with all of that is, like, you have to be so true to yourself and speak up

on things, even if it goes way against production, because, and essentially, that will actually make for better TV anyways because that's the truth. And that's kind of where some of the real drama is. But, like, what you just said with the J.R. situation and actually, five minutes. minutes into the date, we got on a big fight. And I was like, I went off on him because he, I don't know why they didn't air it. Because it was like, they wanted to kind of, I think, really play into the J.R. and Sandy's story and kind of tease that a little bit. But actually what happened was I, he was kind of talking smack on Louie and I popped off on him because

I was like, you don't even know the situation. You don't know Louie. And I was defending Louie. So I did pop off on him. What did you say? I don't even remember. I just, I was so mad. And I was like, I couldn't even, like, contain it. I just went in. And- What did he say that triggered you? He was just saying, I think he kind of says it in the episode, too, a little bit. Like, you know, don't you want a real man? Like, aren't you sick of babysitting and all this stuff kind of about Louie? Like, oh, you know, his intentions or, you know, he does, he's not actually here for you, whatever. And, you know, granted, sure, look. back but like I didn't appreciate that coming from JR and I thought that it wasn't him looking out for my best interest at heart because he did it the second the camera started rolling versus like

we have so much time off camera if he was really like genuine about it I feel like he would have just said something to me off camera. Okay that makes sense but they didn't air it so I was surprised like I can pop off on I can pop off okay I believe it yeah see that's the thing like you you gave them the option right You know? But they want to. Yeah, but if next thing you're like, I know, I want to go on that fucking date on that guy and here's why. I love these things.

You don't give them an option. Yeah. It's tough. I don't know. Listen, it's, it's, yeah, it's, I have surrendered to the edits and stuff. It's like, okay, just let it go a little bit. Are you glad you went? Did you have fun?

Yeah, I had so much fun. It was honestly, one of the funest things I've done. And it was quite literally night and day experience from Ultimatum, just all around. Yeah, I'm glad I did it. When I'm watching Perfect Match and I was thinking about this last night, knowing that you're coming on the show, it must really suck to like, you guys went like, again, speaking of your first time, I couldn't imagine like being in a relationship being like, hey, babe, should we go do this thing and see if we have a thing? And then like, then you become a TV star. Oh, my TV star, okay. You know what I'm saying? The ultimate revenge.

Like when you come on as a couple is like, don't talk with me. Or like the people from like Temptation Island who like, and it separates and you get the people who like one of them. us like my if i would have known that you would have kept going back on tv right he's like we never would have done this it's this kind of a yeah wait it's kind of like jr's exo because she what was her name on zana zana she's a batty she should have been there right like that kind of they should have subjara for zana yeah like they should have brought her in because she was stunning and amazing and yeah but i don't think anyone really sees the appeal of jr like not to throw shade.

But I'm like, I don't know. I feel like she would have been a huge get. Totally. I think, again, what they were, they were trying to make it messy. And they did. Yeah. You know, that's Clayton and Rachel, too.

Like, this was the season of surprises and kind of some of the messy exes. So it just was a little more tea, I think, for the plot. Yeah. With JR being like a bombshell. Um, but yeah, it is interesting with, with like, Nick and stuff. Um, I guess what were you just kind of like impressions of every, one like when you got in the house like what like set the stage for us like what's it like to walk in that perfect match house and you know some people you don't know other people right people are all

kind of like oh I know you or maybe some people you've met I actually I didn't know anybody my show hadn't even come out yet nobody knew me okay um but I walked in first with AD which that was super cool and I was like girl I know who you are and she was like well who the hell are you and I'm like you're gonna find out soon um but It was really cool, very surreal. But to be honest, like, and I had some familiar faces in there for sure. I knew who Juliet was. I knew who Clayton was.

But I think the cool thing about that, it's like regardless of, like, who people are, whatever, once you step foot in that villa, it's like, we're all just here. Like, it doesn't matter who you are, what you do, whatever. We're going based off of, at least for me, I was going based off of my connection and vibe with the people there. So it was just like genuine friendships and connections that were formed. and it was really fun. What attracted you to Louie? I mean, Louis, he was, he just kind of had that energy. Like, he was fun, playful, flirty.

Instantly, we kind of had a little banter, which I definitely need and, you know, a match. And obviously I was attracted to him. But again, I just go based off of like energy and vibes. And him and I just kind of instantly, I knew we were going to have like a good time together. So I kind of knew quickly that we were going to match up. Was there anybody else in the house, like, initially going in that you were interested in or like going in between? Honestly, not really.

Like, I thought Daniel was attractive. I'm like, oh, that's a good looking man. I have no idea who that is. But in terms of vibe, again, it's like you could be gorgeous if I can't have a conversation with you next. So that was the thing with Louie. It was like, we sat down and we were just laughing and bantering. I'm like, okay, I could do this with this guy. So he really was my only interest from the start.

The mixer for the men. Is that like an afternoon? Yeah, it was like an early afternoon. Why was it so easy for them to forget you all existed? I don't know. They were like counting down the seconds to get there. I'm like, okay. They were acting like they're on a deserted island for weeks.

And they finally brought in women where they just couldn't help themselves or it was like, I have a wife at home. Like they were like so excited to get there and basically cheat on all of us. It was just, it actually is comical. We're sitting playing literally a patty cake in the pool. and they are literally boys gone wild. Did you set any expectations with Louis or did any of the other couples

have a sit down being like, all right, hey, like, how are you going to move? So this is probably no surprise, but they, you know, they surprise you with the guys and the girls mixer super quick and then you're kind of out the door. So you don't have time to like powwow set boundaries with each other. It's kind of like, okay, guys, girls over here,

guys over there like, bye, see you later. So that was kind of, you know, that's how it is. And to be honest, like, at least with Louie and I, we were not like closed off exclusive. Like, we're on perfect match. Like, we were not in an exclusive relationship. However, we were definitely matched up. And given the, especially the way our relationship kind of progressed literally the night before, you know, the guys mixer, it just was a little bit alarming how quickly they all just kind of ran out and did what they wanted to do. But are we not surprised? Like, not really. What's your read on Daniel and Lucy? And did you witness his sensitivity? Sensitivity or you mean like insecurity. Yeah. Let's correct it. Caught it. Yeah, I did.

100%. How did you, how did you interpret in real time? And was there any difference between what we got to see and what you experienced there? So you guys, you actually kind of see how it is. And they, I don't even know if they really could edit those things out because there was this weird energy with honestly a lot of the men towards the women. And it was like this like double standard that all the women were like, what the fuck? Especially me. I was just like not. I was so sick of them. But with Daniel specifically, it was, he's very protective or maybe possessive. And, you know, Lucy's just so. nice and so like easy going and he was very he had lucy very close the whole time so then when the guy's mixer happened and he went crazy i was shocked like i i was not that shocked that louis did that like daniel did because of how uptight he was about lucy and it just was like to me the biggest double standard i always felt like daniel did way more at the mixer than Louis. That's what I mean. And it was, it felt more because it was like, it felt more intense.

It was more intense. A hundred percent was because their relationship was so closed off by Daniel. Yeah. Like me and Louie were super like open and like, okay, like we were open and honest with each other. And even when he went crazy, gross and then came back, he like told me everything. It was like, all right. It was like felt like very just wrong from Daniel because it was that was not the vibe the entire season. and it was super closed off from him. And then he went crazy, like for what? Yeah, we were talking about this when you started the episode before you showed up where a lot of the men on this show and I think just honestly today and dating.

Yeah. Kind of like, yeah, when they're with their girl or the person they're dating or hanging out with or whatever they want to call it, situation. They act how they think they should act in a relationship and then have those expectations of the person they're dating. But if they're not, you know, exclusive, then they're, these men also give themselves the permission and kind of do whatever the fuck they want.

But emotionally hold the women that they're dating to a completely different standard. Exactly. And they actually admit it. Louis admitted it in one of the interviews. He was like, if I could like make sure Sandy like stays basically at home and doesn't entertain anything else

and she's committed to me and I can go out and do whatever I would, I would. But that's not right. It's like, okay, yeah, no shit. Like that's, this is what, you know, the men kind of, I think, wanted to do. They wanted to explore the field, but they wanted to make sure that their women didn't. But to read on Freddie, is he, is so sweet. He is as sweet as can be, yep.

And everything he portrays himself to be. Yeah, he's amazing. No interest there? We had him on yesterday. Yeah, no, I love Freddie. It's so interesting. A lot of people were like, all my girlfriends are obsessed with Freddie. They're like, oh my God, hook it up with Freddie.

And I'm like, yeah, he's so cute. He's so sweet. I don't know. I just, we didn't have not really my vibe. Not toxic enough. Not toxic enough. I'm like shocked watching it. I'm like,

why aren't more people invested? You know what? I feel like that's, yeah. I mean, maybe that's a criticism for the ladies you. It's just like, you guys all complain about these, all the Daniels of the world.

I know. But we're not given the Freddy's of the world. I know. A chance. I know. That's like. He's just. He could bench press you.

Like, totally. I personally, I don't, that's not my favorite thing just because I love to, no, not nice people, just like, like, not nice people. Just like, like, no, like counting calories and stuff. Like, oh, sorry. That's what I'm talking about. Like, I like to, you know, eat and have fun and whatever. So I'm just, he's a really nice guy and him and Madison just were like on lock the whole time. But I wasn't interested in him in that way. You know, we're, we're friends. Oh, what do you think of Madison? Um, she's nice. I think she's toxic. I've never met her in person. Okay. Yeah. But she comes across on a TV show is, is, uh, I would keep my distance or not introduce, like, friends to her. I did keep my distance a little bit.

Interesting. Yeah. I kind of got the vibe early on. Just something felt a little bit off. She's actually, she's a nice girl. And like, I think that, you know, we all get along as friends. Yeah. So that'd be hard to cross.

If, yeah, if anyone was interested in Freddie. Yeah. So you don't have to say anything because it sounds like you're afraid of Madison. But am I, I seem to have it nailed? No, well, in what way? I mean, no, I think. Well, she just seems to, like, if you're on her good side, great. And if, like, even if she doesn't like you, she'll, like, call you disgusting or just, like, I don't know if her and Freddie are together, if they're not.

But, like, she comes across to someone that if, if, even if she breaks up with Freddie or Freddie breaks up with her, she'll go from thinking, oh, what an honorable job to be like, ew, he deals with dead people. like, you know, and just like talk shit and just like, just talk shit. And, and, and she'll make up things and, and, and, and as long as she, I feel like she's the definition of hurt people, hurt people. I think, um, it's, I think it's mostly, it's, it's mostly directed at men. For whatever reason, I'll leave it at that. It's personally, yeah, I don't, not how I would handle situations necessarily, but to each their own. Um, I have a question going back to the boys mixer. Um, And do you think that the boys, including Louis, like, would have been forthcoming if AD wasn't there? Honestly, I think, I think Louis would have just because it's like there wasn't so much to hide.

Like, again, it wasn't, like, we had this, like, agreement, okay, we're not to entertain anything else. So I do think that he would have told me, do I think the other men would have? No. I feel like you also clocked Louie the second he walked in. Yeah, I literally could smell it on him. I'm like, why are you breathing heavy? I hear like your heart's beating fast I could hear it

I could smell it I could feel it and I'm like no yeah this is a random observation not really a question for you Julia it seems fun we met love met her at the the Netflix party I just thought it was funny that

the last episode episode 9 she was like I'm just so picky but I'll also kind of like date anyone here and I was like well which one is it I think it's circumstantial I'm so picky which is why I want to date like I'll just kind of She just is, come on, she just is.

She's cool. She's made for TV. I love her. She's made for TV. She is hilarious. I was like, she doesn't care. She'll do it for the plot. She will do it for the plot.

Yeah. And she, you have to keep in mind, she literally grew up on MTV. And that was so, like, old school reality. People getting in fights, throwing drinks. Like, so she kind of had that mentality coming in, which was a little interesting for Netflix, like with these super intense shows, they're not really like that. But I kind of love that she brought that energy. It really lightened up, like, the whole vibe, and it was just hilarious.

Rachel kind of mentioned that coming from Bachelor nation, you know, like, it is fascinating with perfect match, them doing the whole, like, we're going to pick some Love Island. We're going to pick some. It's like a multi-quit. And so you have these different universes with different approaches to how people carry themselves on a TV show. You have all these Bachelor alums that are just like coming in with PTSD and this fear of like this very intense, very Puritan fan base. and then you have like MTV Love Island

Where it's just like Wait, you can say that Yeah, oh my God Yeah, the things that Juliet would say I'm like, I love her, hilarious What do you think of Jay? Well, how do we want to start with JR Because it sounds like there's some things

With today's episode Because we have a new batch of episodes coming out So we're just gonna, if you could Just talk your shit And then It will be our first continuing on the Vile Files. He wants me to talk more shit.

But I don't know whatever. I want you to speak your truth. Yes. Okay. Okay. So we're going to do like after. Well, if there's things, we don't know what happens. And whatever you have to say, I'm getting into the sense that some of those things we might

not be able to air in today's episode. Technically, yeah. I mean, especially with J.R. To be continued. Yeah. And Vile Files, reality recap history where your people, if you're listening, you might have to tune in on Tuesday. Yeah.

Yeah. Tune back in, bitches. Well, is there anything else we want to, like, is there anything of us we want to review with Sandy? I did want to bring one thing up that I just thought was really funny. At the final boardroom, it was just funny because this was already post boys and girls mixer. And then it was like, all right, we're going to put people on dates. Here's the list of all the people who have been here three or four times and have been sent home three or four times. Let's put them on a date again.

Why not Sandy and JR? Why not Juliet and Carrington? It's like, really, we need to see JR now back for a third time. Carrington back for a fourth time like I don't I feel like that is a problem or like yeah that like I think all these dating competition formats have when you get to the end of the show those last couple episodes before like the big finale it always feels like no one's invested in whatever storylines they're still trying to create right we're not going to bring in new people to like even if it's love island if it's new people we're always like how do I give

a fuck about you I don't have time to know you at this point you know like very love island bachelor in paradise would do that were they bringing the last people? You're like, okay, come on. So you're here on vacation for two days. How do crickets taste? I wouldn't know. She had churots.

You were so funny. I was cheating in my sweet time with those churros, baby. Did you ever finish them? Unfortunately, I did. And I was like trying to go really slow because I'm like, I don't want to finish these churals number one. There was like seven churals on the plate. I'm like, I have to be in a bikini the rest of the time here.

I don't want to do this. And then I certainly did not want to get in the ice bath. I'm like, if we're going to lose, we're going to lose dry. I was going to be like, did you contemplate cheating? Like, I'm tried. There's cameras everywhere. Stuff it. I don't know.

Yeah, quit. Well, I didn't want to be a quitter. Also, Louis was so pissed because he like literally had a mouthful of crickets. That's crazy. And I'm like taking my sweet time with the churros. He wouldn't eat the churros, but he ate the crickets. That's. Well, no, he didn't have an option to eat the churros because I started eating it before we even could talk about it.

I just saw the churros. I was like, oh, that looks good. And then I was like, oh, fuck, no, I have to eat all these. So. And I, okay, I'm just, I don't know how the hell Rachel just shoved her face with the crickets and the churros. Like, that was, it was actually really hard to eat those churros because there was like seven of them. They're like chugging it with like milk and water. I was like, I will be damned if I am shoving my face like that on national television, think again.

So. I loved Rachel on perfect match. I love her. Me too. She is my queen. I just, and I said this term when she was here, but like she really has, like, you know, what we were talking about before with how I feel like we, our notes for Jeremy. Bachelor in Paradise. Yeah.

It takes it too serious. We're like, yeah, and I get it, right? But, like, Rachel really came in and was like, oh, you know what? Fuck this shit. Yeah. And she, like, we're seeing such a fun, light hired side of Rachel who came into her season with The Bachelorette, like, knowing that she had to share the spotlight with Gabby, you know, coming off the hate from, you know, the previous season.

And now she's just like, I feel like you see this Rachel who's accepted that she can't control what people say so she says you're not going to give a fuck anymore yeah and i it you see i just love that energy for her i also just love rachel she has she was such a gem just being in there she's one of my closest girlfriends like from the show and like she just has helped me so much because obviously like i was doing that before my show ever came out or anything and she just was so real and helpful with all of it and truly how she is on the show it's like how she is just in person she's very just true to herself, which we love. Do we have anything left on back before?

I mean, Adi and Ollie, I'm like, obviously we know how that ends. Yeah. But the whole triangle with Justine and, like, obviously, that kind of heartbreaking fight that they had, I'm like, did you feel like they were the strongest couple throughout and that they were able to work through things, or was it kind of a lot of turmoil in the house while they were trying to work through the Justine of it all? No, 1,000 percent. They were the strongest couple in the house from day one.

Like, it was so obvious to everybody in the house. And they are, like, one of my favorite love stories. I don't care what fights happened, whatever. This is the name of the game. We're on perfect match. And it literally wasn't, AD was quite literally removed from the house. And then somebody else was brought in. So that whole situation was just the premise of the show, essentially.

How he went about it. I don't know all the details. I don't necessarily like support that, but it's also, you know, you have to keep in mind this is like two weeks into their relationship. They had such a strong, true love. And we all knew that it was something bigger than this, which is why. Like they're literally having a kid together. She's literally having a baby. Yeah, I am.

I've already watched their gender reveal. I'm literally. We're in it. Yeah, they are legit and I fully love and support. support them. And their relationship was really solid through the show, too. Even with the Justine stuff, they just worked through it and, like, move forward. Yeah, we love them. All right. Well, I think we're going to end this episode. Okay. Is there anything else? We're going to keep talking. Yeah. But since we can't air anything. She's annoying. I'm like just wait a day. Well, this, you know, the finale is going to come out. Yeah. And we'll see how it all goes down with you and Louis and why he is on red carpets with Huda and not you. So. So I guess we'll find that out and see how you feel about it. I don't know.

Maybe you feel a certain way. Anyways, we want to thank our guest, Sandy, for joining this episode. She's going to return apparently on Tuesday now. I'm going to come back in the same exact outfit in hair and makeup. So you bitches better be there. We all will. Don't worry. We're literally all going to be wearing the same thing.

It was fun having you this episode. Come back. Thanks. I'll be back. I'll be back. She'll also be back on Tuesday. I'll be back on Tuesday, actually. Yeah.

The same outfit and I'll wear the same outfit too. I'm starting to think that Tuesday might just be an extension of today. I don't know. Why? I don't know. It's just an intrusive thought I'm having. Well, tune in on Tuesday to hear how Sandy really feels about Louis. And don't forget, if you haven't listened to our reality recaps that we dropped all week law

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