The Viall Files - E985 - Sandy Returns To Spill Louis Tea, Below Deck w/ Fraser Olender and Bachelor In Paradise w/ Allyshia

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  It’s a brand new week and boy do we have an incredible show for you! The one and only Sandy (and also Susie…) returns to spill all the tea re: Louis and Huda, the finale, and more! But before that, Allyshia stops by to talk about everything going on with Bachelor in Paradise… and you will want to hear it! Plus, we’re so excited to welcome our first ever Below Deck guest, icon and legend Fraser Olender to talk about what got him into yachting, what makes a good Chief Stew, and the messy messy drama going on with the crew. All that, and more! You won’t want to miss it.  “She wasn’t telling the truth about a lot of things” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  We’ve partnered with Mint Mobile to open a hot takes hotline to hear your scorching hot opinions! Give us your hot takes, thoughts and theories and we’ll read and react to the best ones on an upcoming Reality Recap episode! All you have to do is call 1-855-MINT-TLK or, if you prefer the numbers, that’s 1-855-646-8855 and leave us a message. Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Monarch Money - Get control of your overall finances with Monarch Money. Use code VIALL at https://monarchmoney.com in your browser 50% off your first year. Wayfair - Shop outdoor furniture, grills, lawn games, and WAY more for WAY less. Head to https://wayfair.com right now to shop a huge outdoor selection. Upwork - Visit https://upwork.com/save to get a $200 credit to put towards your next freelancer to help grow your business. Branch Basics - Ready to clean up your home and your health? Head to https://branchbasics.com to shop their Premium Starter Kit and save 15% off with code VIALL.  Live It Up - Live It Up is offering you 15% off your first order — including subscriptions — with code VIALL. Plus shipping’s always free. Head to https://letsliveitup.com/viall and use code VIALL for 15% off your first Super Greens order! Nanit - The Nanit baby monitor is changing parenthood for the better! It's the one baby item we can’t live without. And of course, we have a special offer just for our listeners! Get 20% off your first order with code BABY20 at https://nanit.com NOW! Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (07:02) - Restaurant Story (14:02) - Household Headlines (26:13) - Allyshia On BIP (01:03:01) - Fraser Talks Below Deck (01:41:53) - Sandy Returns (02:10:50) - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @allyshiagupta @fraserolender @sandy_gal@susiecevans @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell @the_mare_bare  

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How are you? Welcome back. Thanks. I'm okay. You know, hanging in there. Just hanging in. Day by day. We're hanging in.

But we're doing, we're doing all right. We are doing our right. And we just want to thank you all for setting all your well, wishes and love and support but it's good to have you back thanks happy to be back we've got a you know a packed week so i'm excited for everyone to hear what we've been doing we do have a packed week very excited about this week well you guys know that sandy joined us last week to uh share some tea on her experience on perfect match we got into the whole louis of it all louis and hooda now uh doing live streams and is it his living room uh in anybody's living room a living room a living room

They're just live streaming like crazy. Anyway, the perfect match cast has their thoughts, feelings, and opinions about that relationship. And Sandy stuck around to share those and everything about her relationship with Louie. So she returns to the Vow Files for the part two of her interview, which is later this episode, which also means that Susie Evans returns as well because she was here during that whole experience. We also have Alicia joins us from Bachelor in Paradise. fresh off of quitting because they knew they were going to get fired.

Yes. Yeah. I feel like, well, maybe this doesn't count in Bachelor and Paradise rules, but wouldn't you rather get fired because then you get severance

than quit? I've never thought about severance in my life because... Not a quitter. Not a quitter. You never worried about getting fired. Oh my God, I got fired from all of my jobs.

She's like, I love that severance package. I was like, my decision tree wasn't usually based off of like making pennies on the dollar from a job that I... Yeah, that's fair.

I'm just thinking of it from Alicia's point of view. Like, would you, if you quit on Bachelor if you get fired off of Bachelor Paradise do they have to pay you out versus if you quit? I just wonder what the contract looks like. Yeah, it's by.

Yeah, that's it. It's just you get booted off that island. And we also have Fraser Olander to pop our below deck cherry. We do. He's great. It's really exciting. I'm hyped.

Yeah. You know that Below Deck is very popular in the Bravo world. Oh, it's popping off. It's so good this season. Making waves. We're making waves. Well, we also have very excited about this one.

Can't wait for you all to listen to. Tomorrow we have a very special going deeper. James Gunn joins the show. You might know him as the director, writer of Superman, also the director, writer of all the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. He's the head of DC Studios,

like one of the most powerful men in Hollywood. And he's got a new show, peacemaker. massive fan of it. It's an amazing show. If you like realism and the comic book universe that has all the drama and laughs. I also have to say, I'm like not the biggest comic book girly. I'm not the biggest like, oh, need to go see the new superhero movie. But it was such an interesting conversation. And he just like getting into the brain of someone so successful, like writing and directing like the minds behind these massive franchises. in movies is just so interesting. He talks about his relationship with his wife. He's like besties, obviously, with Bradley Cooper and Rocket Raccoon.

Like, he just has so many fun stories that like... Also, big Love Island fan. Big Love Island. Big reality TV fan. Loves Traders. Loves Love Island. So we're getting into all that tomorrow with James. I hope you check it out.

I'm sure you will. I'm sure you will love it. It's, uh, get into the mind of, uh, of the movies, all your kids and boyfriends and maybe even you want to watch. watch but Peacemaker comes out Thursday comes out on Thursday on HBO Max and it is a great watch it's hilarious it's it's got everything you'd possibly want to watch uh in a tv show so james is with us tomorrow i hope you all check it out i'm sure you well it's a fantastic conversation we were honored to have him it was a lot of fun for nal and i to talk with james and i hope you all

enjoyed as much as we enjoyed talking with him it's a it's an awesome interview and on Thursday we have the I guess the winners of perfect match Lucy and Daniel join us for a he said she said conversation in reality recap they would not be interviewed together so that's the state of

their relationship so they were not each other's perfect match well ultimately not in the long run they were deemed the perfect match and things have gotten to a point where they can't be in the same room well they also or virtually oh I can't wait

I was, like, the way they ended that with, like, and they're no longer together. Here's AD and Ollie. And I was like, oh, my God. How did AD and Ollie win? Honestly, I feel like so many people held that whole, like, Ollie, Justine, Justine was there. I feel like it was fresh that I feel like they kind of held that against them because I don't understand either how Daniel and Lucy would have beat out Ollie and AD. I know that, like, Daniel and Lucy were, like, together the whole time, but they didn't seem like they liked each other very much. I was like, Adi and Ollie and fought to get back together and to get closer.

I'm like Lucy and Daniel thought because he just didn't like her very much. Well, that is our week. It's jam-packed. I hope you all enjoy it as much as we I know we're going to enjoy it because it's going to be wild. What headlines do we have to get into before we get to Alicia?

Did you see that the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season six trailer dropped? I did not. We were busy flying everywhere. Oh, my God. Well, the huge news is that we do have an entire biofiles pop extra episode just getting into the real housewives of the Salt Lake trailer the household really

dominated that the household really we we locked in we locked and loaded and any questions you may have about the trailer will be answered i haven't seen i'm excited to watch it we were too busy boarding and dboarding planes all weekend we love our southwest we do so no shame southwest has all the perks you know if you're in a if you're a regional travel travel all the perks do they still have those two free bags or did they get rid of them they got rid of them so do they have all the perks And they have no TV. Did they still have pistachios? No, they give you like mustard, mustard pretzels and Oreos.

You like the pretzels. Listen, when it comes to Revengerald travel, they have options. It feels like first class if you're in like the first four rows, you know. Close your eyes. Yeah. You like it. Their Wi-Fi is only $8. That's true.

Which like American or Delta sometimes like 20. And they often fly to airports, like the smaller airport in its respective city, which tends to be more convenient. Right. That is true. I think my biggest issue with Southwest is you can get to those smaller airports but you gotta have a layover and I, when I'm flying to Florida

it's so hard to do that with a layover. They have a lot of direct flight options for us. Anyways, we had a, we did some boarding and d-boarding. Like, you know, when they were about to get on a flight and then you sit down and you think you're about to take off and they're like, sorry, something happened. That happened twice. No.

Yeah. What are you going to do? What are you doing? This is also coming off the heels of it happened to us going to New York. the like board and d board. So we were getting to New York like later than usual. Oh, yes.

This is devastating news. This was. This is devastating news. Something happened to Natalie on Thursday, which was not great. Sorry, let me preface. Now, we had a very rough week last week. Right. And so at the end of the week, we flew in New York to interview James.

We had to drop off our daughter and our mother-in-law in our regional hub. Our mother-in-law. And we literally just dropped them off And then got back on a plane Flew to New York. The exciting news was it was a Thursday And on Thursday in New York City Bourbon Chicken

That's a place called That serves on its special Every Thursday night, Bourbon Chicken Just for you, not exactly And every time we go we're like Well, it's obviously schedule it So that we get there In time for Bourbon Chicken on Thursday night

So our flight gets delayed We're like, oh no, like our reservation was at 10 p.m. Well, no, actually we were supposed to have a first our flight was like later and we weren't going to get into later and then I was like oh that got delayed and we weren't going to get into very late I said well maybe they have another flight Southwest with a lot of options does have a lot of options I was like oh there's a 430 let's just let's just jump on that so we had to really rush it but we made it we were running run and running run and got to the gate got on the plane dboard

delayed I was like I don't know I don't know if we're going to make it but then we did make it, you know? And we got in at 10.30. 30 minutes past our reservations. So we're like, hey, like, we're so sorry. Our plane was delayed. Hostess is like, sorry, our kitchen's closed. And we're like, what? Like, is there anything you can do? And she was like, let me go

ask. So she goes back, and it was a very quick conversation. So we were like, oh, no, they told him, like, tell him to get the fuck out. She comes back and she's like, we can see you. Okay, great. So we sit down and we're like, yeah. And the server comes over, we're like we can order right away like you know we're so sorry and like we know exactly

what we want he's like no no take your time kitchen's open for for a while we're like okay sure we'll take her time then meanwhile the hostess is literally packing she's packing her bags yeah she's she said i'm out of here she's been working since one p.m yeah she was done the kitchen is closed in her mind it was and so then he were I'm like okay well I'm going to get the Greek chopped but at this moment we're just like we've been through so much just to be here in this We made it. We made it. Yeah. You got to savor it. So I'm like, let me get that Greek chopped. He's like, okay, amazing.

I'm like, should we just order everything? And it's like, I guess so. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do that bourbon chicken. And he was like, oh, it's all for our menu. And I was like, what do you mean? He's gone. And he was like, yeah, you must not have been here for a while. We redid our specials. And so I look at it. Bolanese is its replacement. Were you just there? Literally. That's what I said. I'm like, no, it hasn't been that long. Like, I was just here. Like, why would you? Why would you replace it?

He's like, just did like a menu refresh. Who asked you to do that? Why are you, like, why do you need to take things off to do a menu refresh? You can just add. You can just add. You replace it with meat sauce and pasta? It's literally just add. Just add.

Like, if Cheesecake Factory can have a hundred page menu, like, so can American Bar. I guarantee you, the chef still knows how to make that bourbon chicken. And I'm sure you all have some leftover. You know, like, there's still some rice sitting around somewhere. Yeah. And so now, I mean, I was gut-wrenched. I was like, huh, it's gone? Like, not enough people.

It's all I wanted. He's like, I'm so sorry. So I had to settle for bolognese. No, we're not for the. It was delicious meal. It was still delicious. But I just, I was, yeah. But American Bar, if you're listening, if anyone is out there, bring it back.

Bring it back. And what's crazy is that I got a DM from someone and they were like, it was like a Wednesday night. And they had sent me a picture of the American Bar menu. And they were like, oh, your bourbon chicken isn't here. And I was like, oh, silly. Like, it's Wednesday. Oh, it's only Thursdays. And no, she was literally.

telling me. She's like... Because they do have on their menu their weekly specials. Right. Oh. RIP bourbon chicken. RIPP bourbon chicken. Bring it back. American Bar, if you're listening. There's a petition being started right now. You don't have to take things off. You're overthinking it.

Yeah. You're overthrish it again. Re-re-refresh. Like just add it to the menu under the other entree. Yeah. If it's a popular item. It's a chicken meal. Yeah. It's not that hard to... It's always going to get ordered. Like bourbon chicken is like one of the things you go to

restaurant you're like i don't even need to think i don't even need to think exactly that was me i was like i don't even need to read the menu why would you make people think at a restaurant no it's it was cruel and then you know who walked in who Zoe from bachelor in paradise oh stop it yeah she's on a hot date she was on a hot date did you say hi we did yeah wasn't it sure she was going to be like i don't know she might not we're like she might not be online we know we she walked over she was like why haven't you had me on your podcast love love that energy and She, yeah, she definitely. She had a lot to say.

She had a lot to say. So we told her we'd have her on. I was going to say, can we put a mic in front of her? Well, we told her we'd have to get it approved. She made it seem like that might not happen. Oh, yeah. I guess she's been. Tea.

Yeah. But we told her we'd ask. She said a lot. She said a lot. Well, I need the tea from Zoe. All right. Well, Sierra, what are our headlines? Alan Cummings has revealed that there will be a civilian version of the traitors.

I feel like maybe this mom should be on. on. She's gone through so much. Faithful. Faithful. For sure. And maybe her three-year-old can join her. I don't know.

I'm into it. I'm into it too. I actually, uh, I registered. That's how it started. I want to, I want to go on. Yeah. Uh, the UK had a civilian version first. Well, actually, wasn't season one a combo of, of the normies.

Uh-huh. And the, in the, in the radio TV, super centers. I think all of UK traders is civilians. Yeah. Not all. I don't, I think, I think there's, starting the celebrity version now. But yeah, I mean, he makes a good point with, like, the celebrity contestants who come on

the show are very, very wealthy and do the show for other reasons, but the prize money will make more of a difference in people's lives for everyday people. So that will raise stakes. Yeah. Like, I'm like, there are some things that I wouldn't do, but you put money in front of me. And I'm like, right, let's hop over cages and let's do all of these things and maybe get injured. I wonder if Peacock will, like, given that they're assuming that the people they cast need whatever amount of money more than the reality TV stars they're casting, which I don't know

is a safe assumption. I think there's a lot of reality TV stars out there who are bad with their money. But that aside, I wonder if they'll like do some fucked up shit knowing that's like, oh, they need the money. Really put them in some real. I don't know. I don't know. Nothing really tops the like dumping of crickets and maggots and like what not where I'm like that for me. I'd be like, all right, I'm out. So I'm like, what else are we going to eat? Be laying in a bed of snakes. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just like, it's giving fear factor. Okay.

It is giving fear factor. Yeah. Sierra, would you want to be a traitor or faithful? I actually think I would want to be a traitor. I feel like my disposition gives faithful and then I would get like a little flustered. I could probably be like, no. Yeah. I feel like I would have to be a faithful or else I would go home first.

Yeah. Well, we do have Andy Cohen talking about the Love Island reunion that was filmed. And he did tell everyone that we will see the heart rate challenge in its entirety. So I'm excited to see I'm excited for honestly Both of them to be help I mean like you know Ace was enjoying that Just as much as Hoto was enjoying it

And like I can't wait I hear the reunion was very good Yeah do you think is it One part or do you think we'll actually get like multiple parts this time I hope it's I couldn't imagine they They turned around the last one like really quickly didn't they And I feel like nobody talked I think it's gonna be one part still

They haven't announced that it was two parts I feel like it's too many people that I'm just like we never really get to see some of them talk. I'm like, I don't know why you bring everybody back if we're not going to ask them questions that pertain to them. Last year, did we have everyone from CASA? We had like everyone from CASA, but like I think Daya was the only one that really talked and even she came on being like, they didn't ask me any questions. I don't know why I was sitting there, the one that was like with Cordell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like curious where I'm like I would love a two-part reunion and actually get all of the tea, but we'll find out.

We'll find out. Bella Thorne is engaged again? Is she explained this to me? So fans are criticizing her right now because she proposed to her fiancé two years after he proposed. So she set up like flowers and candles, the whole thing. Three years ago we met one year later. He proposed now one year later, so did I. And so she did get on one knee, filmed him from all different reactions.

Wait. Is it a, do you still want to marry me or is it, will you marry me? Could I propose to you and us have like a second wedding? No. But it's different, though. But it's different. It's what I'm asking. Is it different?

I mean, I've, I've never seen this version. Maybe she just really wanted him to wear a ring. She was like, it's not fair that, you know, there's some people out there who are like, it's not fair that only I have to wear a ring. Like, he should also have to wear a ring. That is interesting that a man doesn't have to wear an engagement ring. I kind of agree with that to the double standard. I'm here for it because I'm spoken for it. But it's kind of like the same thing with the Bachelor Party,

a Bachelorette party. Like, what do you mean? It's your last hurrah as a single person. We've been together for five years. Y'all are acting like somehow we want this. You want what? Mary's like, I can't believe men got away with not wearing a ring. You want to put jewelry on your fingers. You came up with an idea for us to buy you some shit.

Yeah, I was going to say, I do like all. I was going to say it's giving Jason from the valley, but. I do like the stack. What is that? But I do, and I mean, Nick has a stack now, but it's,

but I do feel like that would have been weird if every man is, like, just like, has two, an engagement band in a wedding band. But I mean, like,

I guess. Is she gonna, like, I wonder if Bell is going to get him another ring for their actual ceremony? Or like, is it more like, all right,

take that one off. Take that one off and then we're going to do the whole thing. How do we feel about the ladies proposing? I mean, listen, we have to do so much other shit.

No, we have to do so much. other shit don't make me plan a fucking engagement too you know like i'm already working on the you proposed to me two years ago and i'm still planning the wedding the last thing i need to also plan is how to propose to you yeah no no i'm a i'm a passenger princess in all aspects in any way that i can be because i try to do everything for myself the last thing i need to do is plan your engagement let alone imagine me trying to top connor like let me fly to where to propose to you also you're going to get a oh cool react

We're instantly in a fight. Why are you not so excited that I'm proposing to you? This is like the destined for failure from all sides. I need you to drop to your knees. I need you to be sobbing, wiping, wiping the tears. What was his reaction?

And if you got the reaction that you thought you wanted, immediate ick. Yeah. Why are you crying? Stop crying. Like, you do.

Yes. Yes. You know. Can we clip that? Please don't. See? Ick. Could you imagine?

If I was like, ah! Put that to him. That was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Your wife's contemplating a lot of stuff right now. Yeah. I don't, I feel like his reaction was just like, yeah, maybe, of course.

Do we have male reactions to, is this? Oh, see, he's doing it. On her Instagram. He's being a little diva. The video. It looks like a Valentine's Day. I don't know. I don't feel any certain type of way about the woman proposing.

But I don't get doing it twice. Like, you already know what the answer. Like, you already did it. Yeah. You know? It just seems a bit. I did see a video montage this weekend about men in 2025. And it's just a video montage of couples where women are like carrying the luggage and holding

the umbrellas for the guys and opening the car doors. Is that what it's really like out there these days? It couldn't be me. But I feel like it is. Honestly, yeah. I feel like every time I see, I mean, there was like a. I'm pretty sure it was Molly May and Tommy Fury, like, leaving an airport. And she has, like, her hands so full.

He's got one duffel bag. She's, like, pushing a stroller, holding the baby, has two, like, suitcases back to back. And he's just, like, doesn't give a fuck. Honestly, if you have a child, if I had to, if I carried that child for nine months, like, you can carry the bags for the rest of our life. Yeah. And the baby outside.

And the baby. I prefer to be carrying everything at an airport. Yeah. That's just because Nick moves faster than me. He said get there by the time That you come to the desk He's already checked in He's like if you walk that slow

And you're carrying the bags Like we'll never get there on time Well is a slow man also Like physically walking slow Um and egg Probably Yeah If you're slower than me

Yeah Then yeah Nick's always called me Pokedy though I've always been slow My family used to call me Sid the sloth Because I would walk so slow But it was because I was

A child carrying a bunch of beach chairs back from the beach. And they were like, why are you going really slow? And I was like, because I'm six. Yeah. Is Doreit and Pekey back together? Yes, that's the photo. Wait, look at the photo.

Like, why doesn't he have his other, that suitcase in his other hand? And even the security's helping. It's crazy. Wow. And she's trying to, like, cover her child from the paparazzi. He, like, literally doesn't give a fuck. Have you seen that? There's a video of, like, this mime at, like, I know, stick with me.

At like a, like a, some sort of attraction or whatever. And he's like, gets the crowd hyped and people will walk by. And it was a man and a woman and their baby. And she has the backpack. She has the child and he and the stroller. And he stops them and is like, no, no, no, no. Oh, at the zoo. Yeah, takes off.

He goes, no, no, hands the, look at the points of the baby, points at him and, like, hands the kid over. Then, like, takes off her backpack, puts the backpack on him, hands in the stroller and is like, okay, be on your way. And the whole crowd starts, like, applauding. because it was just like, are you joking? Yeah, I will say hate to break it, but I did also see a video of that very mime. There was like a girl with an off-the-shoulder, like, shirt, and then he, like, pulled it up.

And I didn't like that very much. So it seems like the mime has some conflated feelings about women. How do you know it was the same mime? I mean, it looked like the same mime. Unless there are a lot of mimes, like, trying to help the girls out, which I didn't know it was a thing. Well, we do have Alicia here. Should we bring her in and get into some Bachelor in Paradise?

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slash savee upwork.com slash save So it is Alicia Sean like I felt like he was like Oh Sean says it really well He put some like He put some sassumines So you prefer the extra enunciation

If I like you then I prefer it If I don't have if I feel like them Taking the time Yeah I don't like to make people feel bad about getting my name wrong oftentimes. So I'll kind of just answer to. Have you been correcting people your whole life? Yes, all the time. At the college parties. What's your name? It's Alicia. It's Alicia. What I get a lot of times is people look at me and they're like, they see my name on paper,

Alicia, the way it's spelled. And then the last name, Gupta. And they see me like, wait, you're not who is meant to show up today. Like you don't look like Alicia Gupta whatsoever. So that's really what my life struggle has been, Nick. Gupta, what's that, what's Indian. Oh, it is? Yeah, my dad's Indian. Oh, wow. Very.

I touch a book by its cover. Period. No, you cannot. No, you cannot. Oh, welcome to the show, Alicia. Alicia. We're so excited to have you. This was, you had quite the run.

It's been a good time. It was a good season. I had fun. Well, I want to start by saying, I don't know what the fuck Andrew was talking about because he was like. He really hyped up Sean. He was like, Sean's the worst village. in reality TV history. No, I think he's the best villain. Best, worse. Either way. Same difference. Yeah, same difference. Yeah, I will... Hardly.

I don't think Sean's the villain whatsoever, personally. He was just politicking. Sean was a very failed politician on Paradise. Let's be honest, he didn't have a bad bone in his body. And for me, I would rather know where I stand with someone and you tell me to my face, then stab me behind my back. Yeah. So, victim, in my opinion, are the people who were silent and didn't say anything to Bailey when they knew for the record. You about Susie? Susie, I want to get it clear for everybody listening. Me, Bailey, and Leia were the only people who didn't know.

You didn't know. I had no idea. Me and Bailey are good friends. Like, had I known, that's the first thing I would have said to Bailey. I find out everybody knows about this from Sean. And I'm like, wait, all the guys know about this? No, all the girls and the guys know about this. All the girls know about this?

Yeah, for weeks. And nobody said anything. So for me, I was like... It is because they're girls' girls' girls or not girls' girls? That's not a girl's girl. I can't keep up. Well, I know. I'm just wondering what they were saying.

Well, we talked to Andrew and he, you know, tried to defend Alex in the sense that I guess she was closer with Jeremy. He also said she just doesn't like conflict. Yeah. Which I guess. Which I guess watching it before you came in, I guess I thought, yeah, Alex and her and Parisa were. like the best of friends they because we were like these were real friendships we had on the outside and like these are conversations and girls we like face time on the regular so going into it I was like when I saw my girls from my season I was like heck yeah not only are they familiar faces these are

actually girls who like I ride for on the outside and I know have my backs like did you like have a conversation with Bailey once you knew and was like yeah yeah my biggest concern was for Bailey, obviously. And I said to her, like, if I was in your position right now, I would be feeling so jaded, not because of just what's transpiring with Jeremy. Of course, that's its own parcel to do with. But just as a woman, feeling like none of my friends would tell me this. And then to feel like the jokes on you and everybody's been walking around for weeks knowing something and just hiding it from you, I would be like, who can you trust? So the first thing, yeah, that I did when I knew this was all going down was went up to Bailey and said like, hey, I want you to know if there's

no one else you can trust in this house. You can trust me. If I had known this would not have gone on for as long as it did. I understand that Alex doesn't like to get into drama. And I can respect that. She was friends with Jeremy. But I think the right thing to do would say, hey, Jeremy, tell Bailey and if you don't, I am. You know, like really, I think you can stay out of the drama by encouraging other It's a weird thing to be like, listen, I have your back no matter what. One thing, though. Like, I just... I don't do drama.

I don't like conflict, like, of any kind. So, if I won't tell you with anyone is talking about you behind your back. But, like, other than that, I totally got your back. Like, just know that I'm your ride or die through thick and thin. But, like, if there is a little bit of uncomfiness, like, I'll probably keep it to myself. That's, yeah, you're spot on with... Do you know who voted... you and Sean off, because ultimately before y'all decided to leave, y'all were the second couple.

You kind of did the I quit. You can't fire me. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Which actually, like, then you're not paid severance. So, like, jokes on you. But. No, so that, okay, let me give some context to this. I, obviously, am close friends with Bailey and Alex, right? And Priests are from my season. Priests and I are roommates. Bailey and Alex are roommates. We're getting ready for the rose ceremony. I didn't think that Sean and I were going to make it because I was the last one in. We are one of the newer relationships. I was just there enjoying our time together and enjoying the fact that, like, we had these fun challenges. So immediately, you were like, when you guys found out how things were about to go down when Jesse, I don't know, through Milwaukee, threw not a walkie, he's like, two couples are kind of like, okay, this is our time.

No, no, because at this point, there's two couples that were still totally platonic there, which were Leia and Jonathan and also Kathy and Keith. And so in my mind, all the conversations that had occurred up until this point, everyone was on the same page of until we have to vote off couples and real relationships, we're going to vote off the people who are in platonic relationships. That's how we all felt. And I thought that was a very shared feeling. Now looking back at it, I walked into Alex and Bailey's room, think I was going to go have girl chat and a champagne with them before, you know, the cocktail hour. And I walked in on them talking about sending me and Sean home. So what did you hear when you walked in? So also I walked in with a freaking Bailey skirt around me in a Laboooo like a jackass, okay, which was like even worse. And then I walked in and I just heard them saying something like, and Sean and Alicia's name and like in the context of going home.

And I was like, all right, are we going to talk about this? You guys like, I was really upset. Was this after you went up to Bailey and said if you can trust anyone, it's me? This was, yes, this was after, this was after, which was a. But I don't care if we are voted off. And I said to them, listen, it's going to get to the point that we're going to have to vote for friends. And I'm never going to hold it against you that we're going to have to do that. However, to be. Say to my face. For our names to be circulating the night of people going home and your two closest friends in there aren't even going to give you a heads up. You have to walk in the room to them talking about it. It's crazy. I mean, the fact that when was when, I guess it was when Jeremy and Bailey won that first challenge. And, like, Dale went straight up to Brian and was like, hey, I'm going to let you know, like, your name's floating around. So I don't know what you need to do, but like, you need to start. And they weren't even like, you know. So the fact that Dale could do that for Brian. Exactly. All the boys were really good about having the guys' backs. And I think there was a disconnect with the women. That was a conversation we also had when the Susie drama came out. I sat the women down at the table. And I was like, guys, we need to have each other's backs. Like the guys all have their backs. They're, you know, relaying the information that the conversations that are being had in.

in secret or in private, like, why aren't we doing that as women? Instead, all the girls are going to their guys and, like, whispering and they're on the guy's side. It's like, you've just met this guy. You know me. I'm your girlfriend. Like, why don't you have my back? You're so quick to believe the guy that you've just coupled up with. And I'm the one being thrown under the bus. Like, I felt, I was surprised. I was really, really surprised. And I couldn't believe it, especially after what had just transpired and occurred with the Susie and the Bailey drama. Like, It was happening again. We've interviewed Bailey a couple weeks ago.

This was right after... Jeremy posted that he was awesome in Portugal. Yeah. It's like, okay. Spar alert. Yeah. She, you know, it was like, she answered like a woman who was clearly dating this guy

and very much wanted to have his back. So much so that it was like, even if you are dating him, can't you just at least hold him accountable for how he handled himself? It's not a fireable offense. Yeah, they could have like worked on it and moved on by now. But she just, she really covered for the guy in a way that I just felt like really you're just not even going to acknowledge totally and as a friend I'm sitting here like you're doing this for someone you've just met who's proven you really probably can't trust him and then you know your girlfriend who has only been there for you I would never vote against Bailey I would never vote against my friends I've only shown her that was like really really surprising and it was hurting and I think that's where the emotional upset came from you.

from me and like I was totally worn down because I felt like I couldn't trust my girlfriends there. And then also Sean I felt like super unheard by. I thought he respected my opinion, which was earlier, bling him aside. And it's like, stop campaigning. This is not going. I see what you're trying to do. And he really was enjoying the strategy. And I'm all for that. Play the game. But you're putting people. And I would also, I told him like, I would be put off if somebody else was approaching me the way you were. Like you just need to chill out. You're coming across wrong. And he's like, I totally hear you. I respect you.

I'm going to cool down. And then I walked in on him literally campaigning, propping, propaganda to Spencer that night. And I was just like, I had had it. Yeah. What was his big argument? I don't think he had any big argument. I think the big argument was just you wanted to start talking strategy with everyone in the house. And didn't he?

He wants Spencer and Jess out because he thought they were the strongest in to win. That was not something that. Weren't they safe or something? Yeah, they were. They won, so they were never going to leave. That was never on the table. Sean was concerned that Spencer and Jess, we all know Spencer and Jess were the strongest couple at that point. And Sean was trying to be three steps ahead and think Leah and Jess and Kat were all good friends from their season. So with them being in the power position, we know those people are, those women were probably safe. So I think Sean was just trying to gauge where everybody. these allegiances were at this point in the game, because it was the first time that we had to start thinking about, okay, if this happens this week, if this person wins this week, like, who's on the chopping block?

Obviously, it's a Bachelor of Paradise is just a game, but I'm like, at the same time, it obviously made you second guess your friendships in the real world. Like, where does that leave your friendships with Bailey and Alex today? Ooh, I love the big sign. That's a good question. I left Paradise saying I would like to watch everything back before I really decide where those friendships stand. I think the truth always comes out. And luckily in this situation, we were miced up and had cameras on us the whole time.

So I'm like, listen, it's all going to come out in the wash. Before I step to anybody's defense and back the wrong horse again, I wanted to see how it plays. out and where everybody voted. And I don't know really how it panned out that night. But I do know that I've seen enough that people I consider my real friends are people who have my back and stand up for me in a room that I'm not there. And I don't think that was everybody on the show. And I think when money comes into it, people's true colors come out. And I think a lot of people also were not avoiding drama and staying out of it because they were not confrontational people, but because they knew they ran the risk of putting themselves under the bus.

And it was easy. The second somebody else was on a hot seat, it was like everybody wanted to jump on that bus and yeah, Brian's bad, Brian's bad, Brian's bad. Wait, what? Okay, Kat, you look so bad because you're best friends with Bailey and didn't say anything. Alex, you too. And now you want to pile up on somebody else because you're deflecting. Yeah. They know they're wrong.

That's, yeah. Have you really, have you not talked to them much? I've spoken to, I have spoken to them. I've checked in with Bailey just to make sure she's okay. And I can control what other people do. I can control what I do. And I subscribe to that. So I want to go to bed and live with myself knowing I'm a good person and a good friend. And regardless of how they treated me, I'm going to show up for them. So yeah, I texted Bailey when everything was airing. And there was things that were, you know, I didn't know the extent of this Susie drama. So just followed up with her and made sure she was good. And she did seem like she was in a good place. As she or Alex, I mean, I guess ultimately or Parisa, because I guess we don't know how she voted. But have any of them apologized to you? They all apologized to me that night. That was a conversation that was cut a little short.

I sat them down and just said, like, essentially what we are talking about, if you're going to bring my name up and send me home, just do it to my face. Let's just have these conversations. Like adults, we're all friends. You know, we can approach each other with this the same way we've made that mistake, not approaching Bailey with it. let's not do it again. But I guess watching it back, you're, you still were, you know. Yeah. So they apologize and cried and they're like, you know, we wouldn't do that to you. We love you. Blah, blah, blah. We would never vote against you. And so we left it. I said, okay, don't prove me wrong. We're going to watch this back and we'll see. Don't prove me wrong.

I hope I, I hope you're telling me the truth. But in time, we'll see. You know, I think that was the luxury of this situation was in less than a month. I was going to find out. who was telling the truth. And what did you see? I saw a lot of easy way out, in my opinion, people who just, I think, either stayed out of it because they don't want to get their hands dirty or didn't stand up for the right side. And I think if you're not going to stand up for the right thing, you fall into the category of

being on the wrong side. Who do you think didn't stand up for the right thing? I would say majority of the people in paradise at that point who knew about Susie and Jeremy didn't do the right thing. I think the boys were crazy with the brocode that they were saying, I get it. So I would say more of the blame in my eyes does fall on to the women there. Because I think at the end of the day, men come and go. We've seen boyfriends come and go. Women, especially as adult women, those are the relationships that you carry with you for life. And those are the people you call when the guys break your heart and you find out they've been calling their ex-girlfriends behind your back. Right. So my questions really do kind of. all fall um to them as to why nobody brought it up earlier my experience when it comes to the show i always tell people who come off the show give it a year and if you're still friends of that person then maybe it's an actual friendship because most of these friendships off of reality tv are very um

it's really hard to know what's real or what's not real if they're very self-serving a lot of people are friends or not friends with people based off of their popularity or their edit you know things like that. Given that, now that you are more removed from obviously Paradise and then your time on The Bachelor, do you see yourself actually being friends with Bailey, Alex, or Cat, or these other women? Or do you think what you got to experience on Paradise is more in line with probably their true colors rather than the friendships that you thought you had with him prior to going into Paradise? That's a good question. I, without a doubt, have carried friendships from that experience.

Prisa will be a friend for life and has been a friend for life. She had my back, that whole experience. And Brian also is one of those people who I have a lot of respect for. And you fuck with Brian. I fuck with Brian hard. Yeah. Tell us why. I think he has balls.

I think he did the right thing. And I think, you know, people were kind of whispering, well, was he doing this just to save himself, he did it right before a row ceremony. Nobody would do that. It's not in his best interest. He really did want Bailey to know. And I think Brian's just got a good head on his shoulders. I don't think that he has bad intentions and he always had my back in there. What did you think watching back some of those conversations he had with Risa where he was a little snappy? Yeah. Well, I knew about those before watching them back because I was Prisa's roommate. So she'd come in in tears or upset or, you know.

Yeah, oftentimes being like, I don't know. know what I do. I just asked his favorite color. And now she's crying and like we're kind of doing damage control. And I think really it boils down to their just different characters. And I think that's all the process of getting to know each other when you're put in an incubator like paradise where all you have is you're constantly around people. Like things boil over. So I wasn't surprised to see Brian shutting down because I was privy to that before. But I was surprised to, I think I was surprised to see Priese's like side of things. Right. like the conversation they have late at night that are just between the two of them.

Those were like really progressive conversations. And I think those made them seem like more of a couple than maybe the surface level ones where he shut down because it was a long day and you're dancing and you got feathers up your ass and all sorts. You mentioned that you thought if you had gotten to Paradise earlier, you would have been coupled up with Dale. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. And Sean had an interesting response to that on his Instagram. He posted a little picture of you with a money bag over her head. It was a nice little AI edit for me.

Yeah. The thoughts are, so let me just start off. What he posts? A picture of him giving Alicia the Rose. A sack of money. A bag. I guess saying that like she was only there for the money. Or I took it as he was only coupled up with me for the money.

Oh, or he was only going to be. But hey, there's that take. I guess I don't know. He should have been more specific. Seriously. Sean and I have like very good banter and a good friendship at the foundation of everything. So I take, I think, let things roll off my back. That didn't really bother me.

I thought it was funny at Sean's personality. Also, if you want to dig your own grave, be my guest. I'm not going to stop you. Here's the shovel. But going back to the coupling up comment, let me just say, I am unhealthily obsessed with Love Island. I have been for a very long time. I was born in London, went to school in London, and I was on the Love Island game decades ago. So when I said Coupled up, I was referring to coupled up.

Like in Love Island, you know, you go off just physicality at first. Dale is physically my type versus blonde blue eyes. Like I like dark hair, dark eyes. That fit the bill. Dale fit the bill. And we did have an initial spark in chemistry. So, yes, had I gone in day one, I do think I would have explored getting to know him more. And initially, potentially would have coupled up to explore that.

I don't mean that we would have ended up together or... He honestly seemed super into you. Yeah. Yeah. So I concur. It just seemed like cat wasn't going to let that, you know. And that's also fine. I think, you know, to be honest, I think birds of a feather flocked together.

And I was put off a little bit by Dale because of the person who he was with, who I really didn't see eye to eye with on a lot of things. So... You don't fuck with cat. I wouldn't pick Cat as somebody I hang around with in my free time. No. I think we're very different. And I don't mean that as a knock to her. I just think we're very different people. Not your kind. Not my cup of tea. And I'm sure I'm not her cup of tea. That's fine. Yeah. What is your cup of tea? For a friendship level. Sure. Somebody who's calm. Somebody who doesn't make big deals out of everything. Like we see the fast forward preview to the next episode. You know, they do some camping out and there's bugs. And, tense. Like, I'm the person who's catching the spiders and, like, naming them with Prisa. I don't freak out and, you know, the screaming. I think people think pageant girl and maybe because, like, I like doing my hair and makeup. Like, I'm not somebody who's willing to get dirty. Like, I really like high adrenaline things. I'd love to do the four-wheeling date. I like down-to-earth people. And I have a lot of respect for people who are just honest and you see what you get. And I think that's where the disconnect with Kat is. She's not an honest person. She doesn't tell the truth, and she was caught in a lie many times, and that's something that, for me, is like, the bare minimum is I want an honest, truthful friend. What do you think she wasn't telling the truth about? She wasn't telling the truth about a lot of stuff.

Like, a boyfriend. Yeah, I mean, so for one, Kat used to live in Tampa. Me and Sean both live in Tampa. It's a small community. We know the people who you date, who you hang out with. So she spent holidays with Sean. Like her mom was texting Sean, hey, how are you guys? So glad you have each other on Paradise together.

Oh, wait. So our face-time dates. We're friends. Oh, no, Nick. I'm like watching it. Like, it made Sean look a little thirsty. Holy. This, I felt like I was in the twilight zone because, so I come in and I've seen how

Kat first and formally, like I go off how people talk to other people, right? How do you treat the maids who have not, who, who are you and no ones when the cameras aren't on? I didn't love the way she spoke to some people. That was my own. So I kind of, we just steered clear of each other, whatever, let bygones be bygones. Every single night when Sean and I would have these private conversations, if her name ever got brought up, he would just, all he had to say about her were the nicest things to me. Like, you really have to give her a chance. She's a really, she's just misunderstood. Like, she's got a good heart. I really know her well, blah, blah, blah. He always had her back. And I'm like, I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

And I kept saying him, I don't think that I think she would throw her into the bus the second she has a shot. And so, of course, the night unfolds and I'm stood in a group of girls. It was like me, Parisa Kat, someone else. And yeah, Kat tried to deny being his friend. I'm like, you're going to sit here and say you aren't friends with Sean after everything. I've had to like bite my tongue. It's so annoying when the guy you like is like sticking up for the girl who you're kind of like

don't. But I was like, okay, I do trust Sean. I think he has a good judge of character. So I really was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. And then when that happened, I just felt so vindicated. And I was like, I told you, Sean. I told you since day one. I was right about it.

That's crazy. And then she went back telling all the guys that he cursed her out, that no guy should still be there, who talks to women that disrespectfully, blah, blah, blah. And all the guys believed it because of, I think, the reputation Sean had kind of built himself up until that point. And I was now in the crosshairs and I think the casualty of that war between Kat. And Sean, but to me, yeah, that goes back to like, you don't have your friends back in the moment because Sean started getting a bad rap. All of a sudden, I don't know him. I'm not his friend. That's not, I'm not that type of a person and I really don't like that. I can't imagine like if when I went on paradise, if Ashley I just was like, oh, no, after you spend holidays together and her ex-boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, who was her current boyfriend. So Sean and I leave. Spoiler. We have a conversation with his friend, Sean's best friend, who was her boyfriend at the time, telling it. He's like, you won't believe who ended up screwing me over in all of this. And, you know, he fills us in. She's been sending him love letters since the day one in paradise. She snuck her iPad in. She was sending things to get him through. Like, this will last you till I get back out of paradise. And like, that's crazy. And Sean sat on that and defended her knowing that because he was his friend. So when she tried to deny that, that's not. I was like, listen, oh, shit's, like, we're burning shit to the ground now.

We ran into someone on burn it. We ran into Zoe. We already talked about it earlier. Oh, Zoe told me she ran into you. I was just in New York, too, this past weekend. She should show you, yeah. She had some things to say about cat. Interesting.

She had things to say. Was she writing messages on her? On her iPad. So apparently she brought her stuck an iPad because they take our electronics away, obviously, you know, right? She somehow snuck an iPad. I heard like that she wrote like some messages on her arm for her. And it was like hoping the camera would like catch it.

For Dale? No, for this. For her boyfriend? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. There's some of that stuff. I really don't know. I will say on the cat note, I just, after watching this episode, I think she's going to have enough heat to deal with.

I don't want to compound on that or pile on. I don't want to be. Well, having a boyfriend. A girl who's just ratting on another girl like that, I really don't want to be that person. What do the cat will say? I don't know. I think cat's going to do what cat does best, which is Denon. lie, cry. That's what I call. I mean. Okay, Dr. Zeus. You like that? I'm going to, I'm going to

coin that actually. DLC. But she does. I think that's what she'll do. I think people when you're in the hot seat and your backs against the corner, you point fingers at other people. And I would imagine she does that. I don't, I don't know. I think she's also upset at the comment I made about coupling up with Dale, which I'm not sure why. I told everyone since the second I got in there, her included. She was the first person I had that conversation with. I was interested in getting to know Sean and Dale, period. That's okay. We're on a show where you're meant to date other people. I will say there was a moment. I think it was that day that you're talking about where you like went up to her and you told her that you were interested in Dale and Sean. And she said that Dale said that he wasn't going to be exclusive or something. She said something along the lines like what Dale had said to her. Right. Dale wasn't interested. And then you went back to the other women and you were like, oh, Kat told me like I was not. not allowed to like pursue Dale whatsoever. Like he was not going to be open. And so it kind of, I don't know if there's missing context, but it kind of gave a little bit of like telephone where it's like you're changing a little bit of what Kat said. Oh, interesting. Because what we saw was

not what you repeated back to the women. Sure. So I guess to clear all that up, I came in. I had the day card. I knew I had to give it to someone. I really didn't know the guys because we're all just like having a drink and a fun time in the partying the night before. So it was really hard to gauge like anybody's personality from that. So I had like a couple hours the next morning to make a big decision who I was going to take on a date. And I really was torn. So my first thought was I'm going to go up to Kat and let her know because I knew she was coupled up with Dale. And Sean was previously coupled up with Jill. She left. So I didn't have to do any, you know, damage control on that end. So I went up to Kat and I told her. And she said to me,

that her conversation with Dale, he told her he's not opening, he's not open to getting to know anyone. That if he got asked out on another date, he wouldn't want to go. He's all into Kat. I said to Kat, that's interesting because that's not the conversation that he had with me last night. Kat and I proceeded to have a conversation where I said to her, do you want me to tell you what he says to me or do you not? Because from my perspective, I think the girls, we should be communicating because why are we going to let him make us look like an idiot? If he's telling you one thing and telling me something, let's get together and get to the bottom of it, right? And she was on the same page. Like, yeah, no, please. She's like, I want, please ask him on a date if you want to,

because that's going to be telling for me to know if he's telling me the truth and what he's saying, you know, adds up and let's see. So that's where me and Kat's conversation ended. I still wasn't sure who I was going to take on a date. And then I proceeded to have a conversation with Dale and Sean that morning. And Dale basically told me, like, if you don't take me on a date, it's not going to change me wanting to get to know you. I want to still get to know you. I think we have a connection. Clearly there's a connection. Like, I don't want you to feel pressure on taking me, like, do what you want to do and just know that, like, it's not going to change a thing if you don't take me and you take Sean. So in my eyes, I'm like, okay, no brainer. And yeah, I didn't

proceed to have any more conversations with Kat after that in regards to what Dale had been telling me because really Dale and I stopped getting to know each other because that evening it became a competition. We were told at the Rose ceremony that, you know, it was no longer a dating show is a competition show. So I think that's where things really kind of fizzle out for Dale and I, and everybody kind of locked in on their partners and on the game now. But, no, Kat and I had a really progressive conversation. I think we were on the same page.

And she gave me her blessing to pursue him and see. I think she was welcoming of the potential test that that would have caused for them. Interesting. Yeah. I always say that more people are helped by their reality TV edit than her. for other people who do complain about their edit for the people that you got to know on paradise or to get to know better other than cat because i assume that would be your answer uh who is someone that you think comes across better than you got to know and then we'll send

you on your way somebody who comes across better than like watching now that you're watching you're like they don't deserve that edit yeah that's not how they weren't really that is not that's not the person I got to know where like maybe a bachelor nation's like oh my god they're the greatest and you're like no no I have two names love it so we're just going to throw them out there the first one I'm going to say controversial

but I'm going to say Alex okay because I had a Alex with an E I had a lot of respect for her coming into it and I don't know if it was her avoiding confrontation or her playing the game but regardless I think she's come out to and publicly admit that you know

Had she had hindsight's 2020, if she could retrospectively go back, she would have done things differently. So I think that's probably the obvious. Of course. When you realize you do something. That didn't look so good. Was the version that you heard about Susie on the beach?

No. It was watered down. Oh, so watered down. It was a one time passing call that he made in the heat of things when like Bailey was going on a date with Andrew. No idea how much he had doubled. down on it. No idea that he said he didn't want to win with Bailey. The fact he told her, like, I never said I'd propose her on the spot. I think, I think that's what happens when

secrets are kept, right? It's like a cobweb. It just gets more and more intricate and lies are hard to keep. Do you think he's still lying to Bailey somehow? Like, do you think? No, I don't think he can lie to Bailey because I think everything's out now. Do you imagine? His reasons could be a lie. Yeah. He could still be like holding on tight to the I never said that I had proposed to He's still denying it. He's still arguing with fans in the comments. Yeah. Listen, I think like the truth hurts, right? Like, it's funny when you strike a nerve, that seems to be when people start chatting the most and feel like hindsight is 2020. I wouldn't go back and change anything that I did or how I acted personally. Like, I feel pretty good about my experience. So, yeah, is it easy to turn around?

Be like, I could have done things differently? Sure. But I think as full grown adults, we can also all take accountability and learn from it. And, you know, moving forward, I think Alex has learned from it. I think the other name I would throw out there is probably Jonathan because Jonathan. Yeah, Jonathan. I love, I love Jonathan. But what surprised me about him was I didn't realize how much he was going to Kat initially in the beginning and kind of relaying things that the boys were saying, which I don't think was a bad move on his end. I just did not know that he had that kind of like allegiance to cat or you know there's a couple times too i think maybe it was semantics but some of the things he said to lea and jill you know rub them the wrong way or didn't feel like they totally aligned i don't know if that's just a communication issue on jonathan's end i think he

i went into paradise and was really worried about jonathan honestly and came after him a few different times one-on-one just to make sure he was okay because i think it was very obvious and evident his mental health was kind of, he just wasn't himself sometimes. And I think because of that, maybe just the place he was in, he might not have explored some of the connections that he probably owed it to himself and the other people, you know, to look into a little bit more. But yeah, so I would say those two people. And I don't think it's a reflection of their character. I think it's just a reflection of their journey and this one experience in paradise, which is isolated.

Okay. Period. Period. Well, thank you for stopping by. Thanks for having me. Saying that right. Where can people find you? You can find me in L.A. now.

I'm on Instagram on TikTok and I'm loving it. All right. Yeah. Well, appreciate you stopping by, giving us some insight. Thank you guys. This was fun. So much fun. Appreciate you.

Thanks for coming. Well, Alicia had some things to say. She did not hold back. I definitely was not expecting that. But, you know, those are her thoughts and her feeling. So pop off, please. They feel valid. I just love it when somebody names them.

Names them. Kudos Mama for spilling. I mean, the cat denying that she's friends with Sean. The cat's out of the bag now. But it's crazy, though. The way Alicia painted that picture that, like, they, she's met his mom. They're always together. They text.

They're always together. And then to be filming Paradise and being like, we barely. I don't know this man. That was crazy. That's wild. Give me the insider tea any day. Yeah. That's wow.

Wow. Well, up next, making our below-deck premiere, Fraser Olander, he is with us making our below-deck premiere, Frasier. Olander, he is with us making our below-deck premiere. He is an absolute gem of a human, a really great guest, and very fun to talk to. He is up next. And then following Fraser, Sandy returns for part two of her interview, talking about perfect match and everything that goes down. And then, don't forget, we got James Gunn tomorrow. for a very electric going deeper.

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Welcome on this show, man. Thank you so much. You're our first below-deck guest ever. You've got great taste. Yeah. We were waiting. Yeah, we were like, we're not going to do this until we get Fraser. So you grew up in the UK, even though your dad's American.

Correct. Yeah. How was that? Really fun. Really fun. Yeah. Well, we actually moved countries every two to three years of my dad's job. What was your dad's job? He worked for the Olympic Games. Oh my God. Doing what? He's not probably going to love me talking about this, but yeah, doing some really big stuff.

Oh, so he's like pretty cool. Oh, he's the coolest guy I know. Apart from me. Apart from the audience. And now you. And he gave you the gift of an accent. Yeah. Well, my mother said, you speak like me and it's done. Yeah. Did your dad try to have an accent? Or was he like, listen, this isn't me? No, I think there's like videos of us when we're really young when we lived in the States for a brief time.

And my sister's like, look, a booty. And my mom's like, a birdie, darling, a birdie. So that's my mother wrapped. So. And thank God, honestly. Thank the Lord. I'm from the South nowhere near England. Right.

Unfortunately. But Nick really wants me to speak to our daughter. who's a year and a half in a British accent. Because she has a very good one. Do you? Can I be the judge of that? Please. Do you want some time to get into it?

I respect that. I'm trying to get a little method. That's okay. And I'm also going to need a phrase. Some specific things to say. Yeah. And just give it a second, like the first couple words out of our mouth. Don't go.

Trust me. Let it warm up a little bit. I get how these accents work. And it's you're on the spot and there's a bit of a, and you've got someone like me sitting next to you. The whole thing is quite intense. And I feel like there's so many different accents in England. It's like, oh, that's one of them, I guess.

I'm not sure I allow for that, though, because then I feel like when Americans do it, they combine all of them. And they go, that's one. I'm like, no, that's six. But I feel like that's more talented. Yes. Okay, let me give you something to say. And then we can talk and then you can get back to me later.

We know full will and you're not going to listen to any of our conversation for that time. And you'll be focusing on the accent. What a great studio we have here. What a great studio we have here? That was very, very good. No prep time needed. Confidence is through the roof. Maybe, do you know what?

You even looked British. Really? Yeah. You know what, growing up my whole life? Why are we? Oh, sorry. No, I don't know. How is our daughter going to learn if you go in and out?

It needs me to talk to our daughter with a British accent. No, everyone told me. I wanted her to go, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. Yeah, yeah. My growing up, everyone said I looked like Emma Watson. I can see it. From Harry Potter. Yeah.

Because that was obviously like big when I was growing up. And so my sister would make me do a British accent as like a child. Right. So I think that abuse brought you to this place. Yeah. Is what has made me so perfect, so funny, so beautiful. Keep going. Yeah, yeah, that's what's made me who I am today.

Anyways. You've got a catch. Yeah. Well done, though. That was very good. Thank you. I have, I want to get into like what you do on the ship because you're a little like. What?

How did you get into yachting? So I was working in London as something else and I was really unhappy and I was fortunate enough to be a guest on a beautiful vessel with my ex at the time. and I was sat there in the south of France on the sundaem in the morning drinking my coffee with my side of grapefruit shoes waiting for my ex-ben and I was like why am I so fucking unhappy right now I have everything I could possibly need in life and why am I miserable and then I overheard some laughter some joy and this sort of zest for life and I peered over to my left also I should be a storyteller because this is going really good I'm literally, I'm literally thinking, is this a call map and am I feeling sleepy?

No, I was like, oh my gosh, please, tell me more. Can you talk to me to go to bed? I'll read your, I'll read your kid. I would. So I peer over to my left and I see four beautiful yachties. I mean, I'm talking exquisite, perfectly presented, beautifully tanned, highlighted hair and just like enjoyment of their job and their life. And I was truly an awe.

Like I was, I was in a bad place, but I was in awe of how they could be enjoying themselves in their workplace. And I went, surely, that's not possible. Like, I was doing my dream job that I'd always worked hard to do. And that's a secret? No, I was a model agent. And I was like, this is the coolest job ever. It wasn't, lo and behold. And anyway, I was just, I was totally fascinated.

And I left that trip, went home, met my family for a family dinner and said, guys, I'm going to become a yachtie, and they were like, you're having a mental breakdown. And I was like, watch me. So then I sold myself to the devil. Now you're just cute still. Yeah. Wow. And this was before you even thought Yadi would come with a TV career.

That's right. Yeah. So I actually wanted to be a Yotty, of course. Didn't know anything about the show. Worked really, really hard in getting to where I wanted to be. And then the casting producer found me and kept pestering me. And then here we are. And have you gone back to mom and dad and said, told you so yet?

The thing with, I think they let me do it. They let me do everything that I want to do. And they just, they just, I think they trust me to get stuff done. I think my sister decided to do that. We'd all be up in arms. But no, they're just like, fine. And I think it took a lot for me to pack a backpack and move into a hostel in the south of France and graft.

That's not a very phrase a thing to do. And they were like, if he's going to those lengths, he wants this. So like what was the like the darkest, tell me, dirtiest? What was it? Wait, as an experience I've had with a guest. Or in life. Well. Sorry, as an in yachting.

Like when I was in time. Yeah, yeah. This one night. We're here for any dark story. No, I dealt, this is so like woe me, but it's true. It's a very archaic industry. I dealt with a lot of homophobia and also being a male in the interior is not a thing. I mean, it is, but it's not well received.

And I was essentially at 26 when I started is very old in yachting. Oh my gosh, you are basically a pile of ash. You are not interesting. You may as well have a walking stick. It's just because people start when they're 18. and you're young and fresh and fab and hot. And here's me waltzing in. So it wasn't a very desirable look.

But yeah, I just wasn't, I didn't fit any of the molds that they had in place. So I just had to show that actually I could be quite, I could be a personality hire, one, and two, I could be good at the job. You're like, the guests will love me. But I didn't, I started on deck. And they were like, you're going to get inside. I was like, fair enough.

So, yeah, so, but again, homophobia, like the first, my, remember my first day, I was working, I got any job I could, and it was working as a crew member to the crew, not even guest facing. So we call it a crew mess stew, basically cleaning up after the crew. A crew is awful. But I took anything I could get, and the first day, the chief engineer had found out that I was gay and I was making teas and coffees for the crew. Before he grabbed it, the tea I'd made him and I was washing up in the sink and he poured the boiling hot tea over my hands and he said, I won't have a make me a drink and I certainly won't drink it. And I was like, this is day one? Day one. And I remember walking straight into my cabin and like looking at my hands and then looking in the mirror and be like, you fucking have this boy.

Like don't let any douche get in your way. We forget that throughout life, we have these hurdles and we have these moments where you feel like the world is telling you to turn around. There's not much that's going to make me turn around unless I quite literally am. Unless it was like a third degree burn, you had to go to the hospital. Oh no, it was rough. It was really rough. But I'm just like, you know, people are gross. Have you ever run into him since?

No. No. I mean, I would love to. Yeah, no, of course. And I would too. I'd look him up and down and go, how are you doing? I was like, is there a blacklist for yachting? Yeah, I mean, these people do eventually get exposed.

And whether it's through karma or the fact that these things do spread, the industry is very small. Yeah, I don't think he's working. How do you think he feels watching this season of Below Deck where so many people are getting? He's probably really horny for me. That's what usually happens. He misses you so much. Yeah, that sounds like maybe it's some pent up.

It always is. But, you know, whatever. I mean, hopefully he's unemployed and got nothing going for himself and miserable. Miserable. But no, I wish him the best. I wish everyone the best. What's the largest tip you've ever received? I feel like that's a big deal in the...

Do you know, I'll keep it to Below Deck on this. We got the highest tip in Below Deck history on my first season of Chief. Season 10, I believe. I think it was 40K for two days, like three days. I was like, I'll take it. I'll take it. I saw this season, you guys were, it was a lot having a five-day charter. Yes.

Is that not typically an option? So in the industry, that's a thing. Usually charters are five, sorry, seven to ten days minimum. Obviously, when you're filming a show, you don't have that. Right. Thankfully, with the people that they find us. And five days, a long old slog. Yeah.

And then to basically not get tips for it. Do you ever get tired of being on a tiny vessel? Again, people think this is a really glamorous life we live. It's not. You live like a dog, work like a dog. You're in a kennel. And you've got a slave. You've got a slave away at it.

So what do you love about it? I don't know. Okay, but you're happy. And my therapist and I can't work that in either. I do like hospitality. I love being with people. I love entertaining people. And if I can do that, making a drink, which I love drinking too.

I imagine you've met some really fascinating people, though. Yeah. Kept in touch or like mentors and stuff. Yeah, I have actually. And it's just amazing the people that I've met, the people. But, you know, it's such a wide variety of people. And some of the best people I've met are crew, because we're all somewhat like-minded. Can we talk about the gay porn star charter?

Yeah, that's the five-dayer. That was, but again, what people do. in their day-to-day truly reflects in no way on who they are as a person, to a degree. It wasn't in this case anyway. And to think that these like really, you know, successful gay porn stars, which I'm sure they might be, but they didn't show it with their tip. And we did a very good job. So I don't know what's going wrong now.

I have a question. Tell me. As a below-deck watcher, A, how do they pick who's going to be on the charters for the season? And what are they responsible for? Do they pay for the entire charter plus the tip? Do they only pay for the tip because they're on TV? Like, what is the actual arrangement here? So, this is like probably the most asked question at being on this show.

And I'm not going to use figures because I don't, I quite like doing below deck. So there is a fee, a heavily discounted fee to charter the below deck vessel for obvious reasons. who wants to go on a vacation where they're mics the entire time. They don't have full freedom and don't have the liberties of living how you would on an actual yacht. So it's a pretty restricted experience, but you still get to do what you've asked to do. You still have to just, you still get the experience. You're just limited a bit, right?

So a heavily discounted cost for the amount of time. The amount of time can be five days, it can be three, it could be two, whatever. It's always going to be the same. That's just luck of the draw. There is a minimum tip you have to pay on top of said charter fee for this show. Minimum. 20%. No.

In real life, yes. So like on normal boats, it is 20%. But with this specific charter fee for the below deck vessel, there is a minimum tip attached, which is the same, both the fee and the minimum tip. Okay. Okay. You know this. everyone knows this who comes onto the boat because that's what it costs to be there I also know this maybe not the others but I do so whatever they add to the minimum is what

they're really actually putting towards so in the circumstances of the five sorry seven or eight male porn stars five day trip there was a minimum spent it was covered by their company and then we saw actually how much they put together themselves And it was pathetic. You guys committed so. You did a whole S&M night. Yeah, it was the best night in my life. Yeah, it was awesome.

I was able to be an, a bitch to the guests, and it was fantastic. I really came alive. Maybe they sense that. Oh, they love that. No. You know what? He got his. Maybe.

Maybe. Maybe. But then they sped up the charter over the few days, and we just, we want. worked so hard. And then we got paid nothing. But again, I love it for the job. I really do. I can't explain it. But I do. When you talked to those, when you had the epiphany on, I have with your grapefruit juice and your cup of coffee, did you go and talk to them and be like, hey, what's, like, what are y'all doing? Or did you go into this? Obviously, you started at the bottom. So like, there had to have been a point where you were like, I know I'm going to get to where they are,

which is like happy. So I'm just going to grind, grind, grind. Well, I just observed them from there on out. And I was like, what's actually going on here? And obviously, as I guess, you don't really see what's going on. So I did go into it with rose-tinted glasses a little bit. But I also knew that I wanted to be in the South of France. I wanted to be by the most beautiful coasts in the world on a supiar in a tight outfit with my tits out. So hot. My dream date. Hello. My dream date. Cute. Another question. I feel like I only see you on below deck. We've got below deck med. We've got down under. Is there different

yachting companies that were going through, or could you be on Below Deck Met if you wanted to? No. So Bravo owns them all. They're all different franchises. I'm glued to Below Deck.

Different production companies. Same production companies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was one season that there wasn't, and then it got cancelled, so it didn't go too well for them. But, um, No, one of the older ones. But no, they're all, I think they're all same production companies, yeah. And they're just different worlds, if you will.

However, you do see crossovers, of course. People move to others, but I've not been allowed to. Can you talk about Kelly? Yeah, what a wonderful woman. Yeah. What happened there? I think she is a really bad drunk, bless her. And I think that she's a messy queen.

How long was that? Like, how long was her breakdown? four hours, three hours. Well, they joined at noon. Yeah. And then she was drunk by like 12.30. But she'd obviously been drinking on the way. And isn't very a good drunk, Lily.

And then when she was at the table and when she had more food in her hair than she did in her mouth, I started to question sort of the longevity of her existence on the show. And then there was no going back. Listen, you can feed someone as much water as you'd like. It's just, it's not going to, it's not going to work out. Anyway, so that took about four hours to finally get her arrested. What was the funniest thing she said on her? I think screaming Democrat in my face.

Yes. That was my favorite. It's a bunch of Democrat. And she was, yeah. She was just angry. She was like, fuck you, captain. And like. Watching her try to duck underneath the captain.

Yes. Just like grabbing her. And then her diving in and being like, chase me, chase me. I was like, she's really going for a ride, this one. What makes a good steward and a good steward chief? And why do you think you are so good at what you do? I think that you have to put your ego at the door 100%. You're here to serve and you're here to create an experience.

Really not here to think about yourself. And I think that that means that you're going to be giving up a lot of sleep. You're going to give up time to eat. And of course, you know, you need to keep yourself going. But I truly put everything else first. And because I've been a guess, and I'm very fortunate to say that, I don't think many Yottie have, I like made Yottie a plural word there. Yotties, Yotai, have had that experience.

I think that I'm able to see what really is appreciating and expected at that level of service. And I do that. And now, unfortunately, if I'm ever at a really. nice place or on a boat. I can't help but think what more can be done for me in that place. Then I use that myself when I'm working. So I think that if you just need to be creative and you've got to constantly want someone to be smiling more or happier or better in themselves. Have you ruined yachting for yourself as a customer? Would you enjoy going back? I've just come off of my friends and I got a boat in Sardinia and Corsica.

We charted a lovely yacht, yeah. Well, we call them boats. Because when you become so used to them, it's just a boat for us. So we were on a yard, yeah. And then it was tough because I was like, why doesn't anyone want this? You know all about my life, you know what I eat, what I drink, when I go to the bathroom, you know my laundry status. You know, everything. It's quite invasive and you've got a whole team of people doing it and talking amongst themselves.

and I know that because I do it and I'm the biggest bitch around so I'm like oh not her again I can't deal with someone saying that about me it's just really uncomfortable and I go to a hotel and I'm like oh you should be doing this why is that not done it's hell up here is not good

do you find it difficult as the chiefs do because you're responsible for managing the personalities of the crew underneath you but then it's also you're managing the expectations and the request of your guest So it's like, how do you find balance to stay sane even during a three, five day charter where you have so much coming at you? I always put the guests first and I put the experience first that if that means me running around for everyone else, I will do that. And then I look at my crew because usually, well, in normal circumstances, I get to hire my crew and I get to weed out those who haven't got incredible mental issues who have been casted usually to be on the show.

and those who, you know, who have the experience to do it. So I deal with the guests and then I'll look at the crew and be like, right, what can we do here to keep things at bay? So we're not causing too much drama and just get us through to the end of the charter and then we deal with it. But there's a priority of things that really are important. And it changes constantly, but there's always a priority and the job always comes first over drama, over beef, over anything.

And are you saying that on a normal charter that's not being filmed, the crew isn't as um This is where well this is where I like I go back on myself because I always say from what I've seen in the real world is 10 times worse than what you guys see on the show. But do you know why it's because people aren't subliminally aware that there is a camera. I've seen personalities people lose their fucking shit because there's not a camera. that they have to then reflect on nine months down the line. Or a storyline, like, I've seen people lose the plot. And I'm like, if there was a camera on you right now, you would never do this. So what was your reaction, I guess, to watching Kyle, like, have sex with a woman in a public bathroom?

Do you think he lost the plot in that moment? Or he was keeping it going? No, I wasn't surprised at a swordsmanist. What I was surprised about was the fact that that specific public restroom had cubicles. Yet him and his madame chose, the Boston woman, wherever she was from, chose to position her head underneath the urinal. The reaction was so good. You came on your like absolutely foul.

It's disgusting. It's disgusting. It's so gross. I just work amongst the most peculiar group of people. Well, speaking of Kyle, so I would love to hear your opinion on the whole like Kyle, Solene, Jess, Barbara, a guest demo as well. Yeah. Like what, what do you think is going on there?

Like, if you were going to, if you were hiring your crew, would Selen be someone that you hired? Have a wild guess. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Her work ethic seems to need work. What work ethic?

Yeah, exactly. There is. Again, would it be worth watching if I could pick my team? Yeah. No. No. But what's really cool is, not cool. What I've been dealt with is dealing with this every single year. And now, as opposed to

going, please someone fire them. And I've asked Captain in the past, I've been like, seriously, seriously, can we let this person go? And him saying, no, I'm like, right, let's just make use of what we have in the best way possible. And she was great for morale because she was nuts and she was funny. She was lovable and she was hot. Yeah. Yeah. As opposed to just going, and now everyone line's like, fire her, you idiot. And I'm like, you can't win. Out of all of these little triangles, who do you think had it in to last? None of them in nowhere shape or form.

But I think, no, actually, none of them. No. No, not even Barbara and Jess. Yeah. Well, I think Jess kind of. Jess wants everything. Are you in a relationship? No, I'm single.

Do you find it hard to date while being kind of? on the road and all this stuff. Yeah. On the seat. Your previous relationship was with another yachti and that didn't work. What was the time period of like you saw each other once and how long? Yeah. We started seeing each other and then we both have very, very opposing schedules and I ended up, if you wanted to put it into words, I ended up seeing him technically for one day a month.

It was nuts. It was really great. And usually that would kind of work for me, but it didn't. But no, I've just moved to L.A. I'm talking this week. Oh, you do? Welcome. Thank you so much.

So just trying to make my little apartment and a little home. It's a great location. Not saying I'm here for love, but I'm here for things like this. So there's a lot of like yachts coming through L.A. No, I just do the show. I haven't worked on a boat outside of the show for three years. I could have said. No, he's a TV star.

Yeah. No, but you know, I can't get a job. of anymore about they're like you're an actor I'm like you're

I mean you are you know in entertainment these days you're very entertaining do you do you hope to maybe

use this as a launching pad for maybe more entertaining things yes I think that I never set out to do this

and then I was in a position of not being able to get a job on boats anymore because of this so I became

comfortable with the idea that maybe I'll run with this and if it goes somewhere, brilliant, and if it doesn't, I'll figure that out then. So, yeah, I'm just running with it and seeing what happens. Is there something going on with you and Chef Anthony? In what respect? Well, just curious.

I mean, you know, like. Are you alluding? Is he, like, is he just French? Yeah. But I also don't want to offend the entire French nation with that. Right, right, right. Because he's a bit of a screw loose at the moment. I'm not necessarily returning calls at the moment because just like...

Like, are you, do you press decline immediately or do you let it run through? I let everything run. Yeah. I'm not that bitch. Right, right, right. Oh, they sent me in a voicemail. Yeah, I'm always just like... You pretend that you're not on your phone.

Yeah. Listen, he came... I brought him back this year. I had to beg production to allow that to even happen because you don't bring back someone who's fired ever. There's not a thing that happens on below deck. Two, I had to kind of beg Captain, he's the one who fired him last year.

I'd put my neck on the line because I knew that we really work well with each other. And he came back and all he did was talk about how he can forgive and not forget. And I thought, for fuck sake, if you have one chance just to be a little bit grateful and a little bit more, let's focus on job and less on Fraser. Right. And being obsessed with this, I wouldn't have had a problem. But no good deed goes unpunished. I also feel like if you're going to forgive, like you have to forget. Just do it.

not forgiving. You're not. You brought him back. I know. It's forgiving and not forgetting. It's a load of bullshit really, isn't it? So, especially when they keep saying it, just you know, I haven't forgotten. Yeah.

I also don't care. Yeah. Try that one. I do not care. You're still telling me and everyone else, I don't care. That's maybe the most powerful thing. I do feel like chefs already have kind of a bad rap when it comes to tempers and you're in that hot little kitchen, I get it.

But like, is there a success for having a chef on a yacht? Because I feel like each one of them has their own meltdown in a very different way. Yeah, for sure. And I think across the board, all chefs have a screw loose. Genuinely, I've worked with enough to at least make that generalization. I just know that with him, whether he pretends to or not, he listens to what I say. And I do have to hold his hand throughout the season. But he's a very good chef.

And with the right guidance on how things are running, we are a fantastic match, truly. But like, don't fuck with that. Yeah. And you're fucking with it. Do you think the lingerie guests were in the mob? I wouldn't put it past them. Yeah.

Again, I would hope that the mob has more cash and they would have tipped better. So I'm going to go with no. I mean, in the vein of if they were in the mob, Do you think because of Kyle maybe, maybe not slipping it in with one of the people, he might need to go into like Whitney's protection? Like what? Do you think that might have affected it?

I don't believe it happened. I've reflected on it. I was there. Her husband was three meters away. There was a camera underwater. Unless there was a camera in her, I'm pretty sure we can assume. It didn't happen. People ever tell you like Chris Martin?

Do you know what? I don't like that one, but I have received that one. I get blonde messy. I get Jamie Bell. Blonde messy. Yeah. No, I see that. Every time I do a TikTok live, it's nonstop.

I see Blonde messy is really good. Yeah, Jamie Bell, who's Billy Elliott. And then, that's it. Sorry about Chris Martin. That's okay. Got some good songs out of this. Yeah. Going back to your breakup, the hot tub kiss with demo.

Yes. A, like, did you see that coming to? Like, what were the thoughts going through your head? And did you feel like you needed to make that phone call the next day? So I was hoping that this never came up this whole season. But we're so far gone now that it's fine, yeah. Yeah, I fucked up. and I had a chat with my boyfriend at the time

and I was like so about to go film me again you know how like every year I like make out with a straight man as a as a as a lull jk he's like he's like yeah that's not going to happen and I was like that's not the relationship I want to be in and we had a fight and he was like yeah he was like no serious it's not happening and I was like but he's straight

It doesn't count. Right. So this is my point. I was like, I get it. If it was a gay guy, no, no. If it was a girl, just a friend. It's a straight guy who just wants some attention from me as well. It's a no-no.

What if you unlock something? That's not my problem. That hasn't happened yet. That's literally nothing to do with you. It has nothing to do with me. A whole different story. It's like, just got in a hot tub. What am I supposed to do?

Right. So I was like, that doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. I was using that as my argument anyway. Anyway, he said no, and I said, fine. So I did go against it, is the truth. And then when I, and then I was really drunk. Now, I don't know if you've seen that episode.

They haven't showed a lot. They did try to protect me a bit in that. I was paraplegic drunk. I was blackout, beautiful, classic, second night out drunk. Don't remember a thing. So I did call him and say, listen. It isn't working as we know. Let's start here.

I've got a feeling. This is your fault. Yeah. This is a lot on you. And two, I may have gone against. And I don't want to out it too much, but he was like, do you even want to be in this? And I was like, I couldn't answer. Yeah.

And I think if you can't answer, it's usually not a yes. Well, I mean, it's tough when you're not seeing him very often. It was a pen pal. And I hate pen pales. Yeah. Yeah, writing. But, like, was, like, Damo kisser? Yeah, sure.

Yeah. He doesn't remember. That we kissed a few times after that I remember those ones So I do want Was it kind of And maybe this was me Reading between the lines

But the whole like Once Solan and Damos started making out Was there a little part of you that was like I don't want Solan to be getting Jess too So let me hook Jess up with Barbara Oh God no That would be wonderfully manipulative And I wish I did think that

I was, I thought you were going to ask another book? I thought you were going to say, were you a little bit jealous? Oh, were you? Yeah. Didn't want to out myself, but yeah, I was. I was like, yeah, fuck she. She just got with her. Yeah.

And then Rainbow starts to get with him. No. Not get, but like flirt. And I'm like, Rainbow, honey, remember who's your boss? Think that one again. Get back to work. Second panic attack of the season. Yeah.

I'll give you a third and fourth if you want to. Yeah. You're silly You're so silly Say it in an English accent You're so silly Really good Thank you

No really good Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Anything you want to ask her In English It can't just be from your

Emma Watson experience I feel like it is I don't know Do you know what it's weird It's how you It's the way you use tonality to make it also because an American can try English

but if it's like using the way they talk it's not going to work in English it's like it's not as long as the Americans are you know but you go up and down and you it's fun we could do this all day all day long I'm so glad you live in LA now I'm yeah I'm slightly terrified but I'm ready to rumble

but yeah we should go drinks and I'll pack this my American oh my God yeah we could we can we can't cosplay each other what's your can you give us some American so like um I've got to change, like, the way I talk, because I feel like if I go with the way, like, if I go really, like, low, a lot better.

Because if I don't, I go really high on, like, this super gay, like, West Hollywood asshole where, like, I really just want to sound quite, like, cool and slow and mellow and a bit surfery. Is that what your dad sounds like? No, I don't know. He's got this, like, weird English-American thing. It's American, but it'll be the odd English word. And I'm like, dad, get you back in life together. Where is he from?

He's from. I know. this is dark. He's from Delaware. Why does everyone laugh when I say this? Nobody knows anybody from Delaware. I know. Except for Wayne's World where it's like, hi. Yes.

I'm from Delaware. But we have called Colorado our home for the last 30. Right. Yes, we've got a place in Aspen. So I spend my winters there and then the rest of the time just bopping and thotting around. Popping and thotting. Yeah. barping and tharding

tharding Frizzan yada Fraser this has been so much fun I'm just so bad literally I don't his brain has stopped working He's nervous about being around me I get it

I do another straight man I would pay to see that Anyways So this is so much fun Thank you so much for coming I really appreciate it thank you You follow you all that fun stuff Find me on Instagram

I need more followers because everyone else on Blodex doing really well and I'm not yeah I actually don't you're like a fan fave right you'd think you'd a thunk are you like no I think I'm just the newest chiefs juice is taking time no no but like are you active on social media I mean obviously you're doing TikTok lives but yeah I am I'm active I am yeah I don't like giving people too much of me I feel like people can pay for that for a new TV show exactly or something rather yeah spin on but yeah if I'm going to be talking to my screen all day.

I mean, I don't know. Hey, guys! Yeah, and I see some of the other people doing it. I'm like, I'd rather not. I'd rather than... Especially when you see someone else doing it, and then you're like, ugh. It's such an ick.

It's humiliating. Nick and I were in New York this past weekend, and I was like, oh, I'm wearing this cute dress. Like, we take a picture of me. And so I sat down on these, like, stairs, and he was... And I was, like, getting down. See, I know, I love that. But across the street was a cafe in a big window and two.

girls were sitting there staring at me laughing. And I was like, I'm done. Get up. Now, this is the thing, though, if you're doing it for the right reason, go for gold. You better get it good. We're here. And also, I'm just talking about stories talking into your fair. That kind of cringes me out. But getting a good shot, all day, every day. I was going to say. I've also brought my camera with me. We can do, not today, but to LA, we can get smash out some good content. Because I need it too. We'll work together.

I just love that your Instagram story. I see you've already assimilated. We have an avocado toast at sunset power. We've got hydrangees on a hot girl lock. I see it. There's an air one right down the street. I'm fully aware. You want to get a Haley-Beverglaze smoothie.

Yeah. No, I've just, you know, if I'm going to do it, better believe I'm going to do it well. Amen. You'll see him at Akbar. Right. Yeah. Well, up next, we got Sandy giving us part two of her experience. experience with Louie and all the shit talking she has to do.

Fraser. Yeah. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having me, guys. You're great. Come back soon. Yeah. I will.

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It's spelled Lewis. It's pronounced Louis. I've never understood that with that. Louis out there. I know. I was like Lewis. It's not Lewis. It's across the pun. Right? The spelling and the pronunciation. Cross the pond. Yeah. Like, because he's from the UK. Yeah. Well, first question. Louis, is he a good guy? Yeah. I think he's a good guy. We refer to him on Thursday's episode as an honest fuck boy. That's actually pretty accurate. Yeah. In the sense compared to like, say, some of the other men who again, like lying fuck boys. Well, they're just like the fuck boys as I described with like the

you know, the classic, you know, I definitely want to settle down and have kids. Right. Someday. And like when they're with the girl, they're talking to and just like, whether it's on perfect match or in real life, they try to pretend to be that someday person. Right. And that kind of interaction. But at the end of day, they don't want to be held accountable, have expectations of them, you know, sacrifice fun, sex, whatever, the opportunity to like, you know, just.

be a free spirit. Louis owns his fuck boy menace. I mean, that's why he calls himself a menace because he does. He owns it. Yeah, and he's...

Which I can appreciate. Like, if people are self-aware and they're honest, it's like, okay, I think what's way worse is when people try and lie in deceit, and that's where the real damage kind of comes in. But no, he's a good guy, and he's,

anyone that's, like, friends with him, they all, you know, he's not, he's not a bad guy. So, going into the finale, I mean, I guess do you want to preface anything? I mean, obviously, you guys matched and hooked up. Hooked up.

Did you hook up? I don't mean like that, but just like got together. We were matched up the whole time from day one. Do you want to talk about what, draw you to each other? I mean, yeah, I think that just instantly we were like drawn to each other. And we kind of agreed on that too, like right away. We were definitely, we kind of knew we were going to match up. And we stayed match up the whole time.

We did kind of explore some other options. And then we, you know, consciously came back and decided that we were the best match for each other in that environment. And, you know, it's over the course of like three, four weeks. So we spent basically four weeks together, like essentially you're living together. You're sharing a room, bed, you know, bathroom, shower, whatever. So you do spend a lot of time with that person. And we got super close. You know, there obviously was an age gap.

And I didn't realize that. You know, really? Yeah, well, he was 23. Oh, do you? Well, it was 28 at the time. I'm 29. Well, could have pulled us. Mm-hmm.

Really? Oh, that was like, I felt like that was kind of a storyline. But, yeah, so the maturity thing was kind of a. Part of an age gap. Well, you don't got to tell me about an age gap, but I don't do the reverse age gap. Like, I don't necessarily date men younger than me, but so that was kind of a thing for me. And then just, you know, just naturally, kind of who he is and his men's. mentality. Like, I don't think that that was going to work in the real world. Was it weird for you dating a younger man? At times, yeah. Were there like things that stuck out to you? Totally. Yeah. Can you tell us a little bit? Um, it's like, we love this. But at the same time, I'm like, oh my God, it was like driving me crazy sometimes just because he is super like, he has so much energy and he's running around kind of like, sometimes he'd be like running around like a little kid like in the pool and like jumping around and stuff. And like everyone else is having like deep conversations. And I'm like, I'm a very. I'm a very.

I like to like converse. I want to sit and talk. I don't want to play games. So there would be moments like that where I just would get a little bit annoyed. But then we would have actually really deep conversations. And that's how him and I got close. A lot of it though was, you know, kind of off camera or more just like in the bedroom talking, getting to know each other. And he would, he actually has, he's a mature guy deep down. He really is. I think he just is very like, he's rambunctious. And, you know, he also, he's 24. Like, can't blame him. I know you guys were open throughout, but obviously you were coupled up the entire time. So, like, after the mixer, when he came clean about whoever he was kissing or whatnot, was that kind of anything for you in the sense of, like, if you were considering something in the future, how he handled it? And, like, did you have, do you respect the way that he handled it? I did respect the way, at least that he handled telling me the truth. Do I respect what he did know? Like, I thought that was, honestly, he just was kind of being the menace.

I think doing what people expected of him to be completely honest. It was a little hurtful just because we did kind of develop a strong, like, relationship and connection, and he really would kind of get, you know, antsy if I was talking to somebody else. And he just kind of went off and, like, you know, how to make out orgy or whatever. But I did respect him being honest with me. That, to me, is super important, especially if we're not, like, in an exclusive relationship. Like, we're on perfect match.

You know, it's like, was there, um, a point where you were like, okay, I'm actually interested in like dating him after this and then did that switch? Or were you always just like, it's perfect match. I'm here for fun. No, honestly, I, I, we definitely developed a real relationship connection. And I wasn't there to just like, I mean, of course, it's all fun. It's not that serious of a show. There's no engagement. There's no proposal. Thank God. But I was looking for something that I could take kind of home with me. Unfortunately, he lived. in a different country. So it was like, that was a little tricky. He was planning on moving to L.A., which he did. So that was kind of something that I was like, okay, we could potentially make this work. If we want to, if we're going to be in the same city, there were definitely moments where I was like,

okay, I think we can maybe figure this out. But it wasn't like, oh, my God, we're going to leave here, boyfriend and girlfriend. Yeah. I want to ask you about physical intensity. I know if you don't want to answer, you don't have to answer. But the only reason why I...

Oh, I think I know. well I just like you know you guys are living together and like Netflix it's unclear whether there's hooking up going on obviously you all know your whole JR narrative and everyone we all thought what we thought and who knows what you know but I'm wondering if there are couples getting physical whether second third base home base and then the guys go on a mixer and then start making out with other women and so like you know it's one thing to not be closed off and not be exclusive but it would be a I told another thing to, like, have a night, whatever you guys decide to do, you hook up. Now, I don't know, if shit's going down, that becomes more of a thing. There's a connection there. And then are the guys sucking on women's thighs

and then being like, oh, it's all jokes in spaghetti. Right. And so I'm just like curious if whatever is going on behind closed doors is playing a role in why the women are as frustrated as they are by the behavior of the men. That's a good point, honestly, because I think just in general, like, it's like even if you're not exclusive or whatever, when women become physical, like, we're not okay with you being physical with other people because of many different reasons. And I, you know, am that way as well.

So, but with that, I think it was the guys mixer, I think it was like halfway through the show. I think for the most part, most people were not super physical. You'd be surprised. I mean, you're on camera. It's like your stress levels are hot. you're filming every day, you're tired. It's not like this, people are not really like having this free-for-all. It's more of like, you're going to bed, you're tired.

I can't obviously speak for everybody, but I don't think that people were just getting down and dirty, like right away. I think it was kind of something that maybe naturally progressed with the relationship. For me personally, I don't think that was an issue with the guy's mixer. Okay. That wasn't, yeah. Were you okay with how things ended between you and Louie? Yeah, like, so we, we,

ended the show together, like, you know, the finale. We claimed each other as were each other's perfect match. We actually went to Cancun afterwards together. We did a little, like, vacation. So when you guys are leaving the show, what conversations are you and Louie having about, like, moving forward? Yeah, like, is this? Not much, honestly. Like, we kind of both just kept saying, you know, we have, we had such a good experience here. Nothing can change that. Like, we got really close. We know that we have a real connection or whatever and we'll see what happens outside of here. Like, we neither one of us were like, okay, so you're going to come visit this day and we're going to, you know, plan all these things and we're dating. And no, it just was very much like,

okay, we're really grateful for the time that we spent. Realistically, you know, this is going to be kind of challenging. Is it even something that we want to do? And we kind of left it at that. You know, we did a little trip afterwards, spent some more time together just like completely off camera. and then we kind of went our separate ways. Just the two of you. No, Lucy, Daniel, and Scott were also there. We all went, like the five of us, went on a little trip to Cancun. Me and Louie, you know, we were sharing a room or whatever, but that was, you know, we just all kind of had some time together off camera.

And, yeah, we kind of just like went our separate ways. We kept in touch. What about Lucy and Daniel? Were they, like, hot and heavy, very in couple. Kind of the same type of vibe that they were on the show. To be honest, same thing. I just saw it so quickly with Daniel. Like, I've dated guys like that.

And I just, you know, my censors kind of went up with him. And that's essentially, I think what, well, actually, I'm not going to speak on that. Lucy and Daniel can speak on how their relationship will be with us on Thursday. Well, they actually? Okay, yeah. Yeah. Then they'll, you know, she can share that with you guys. But, yeah, we all just went together as, you know, little double date with Scott, which was funny.

Do you say bless him, fifth wheel. Yeah. Yeah, well, mostly I was like a third wheel with him and Louie. Him and Louie were like, like, running around like crazy. I was like, oh my God, what is going on? But, yeah, we just did a little trip and then kind of came back to reality. When you went your separate ways, like we're assuming he's in the UK, were you guys like FaceTiming or kind of talking?

Just kind of like voice noting, texting back and forth. We were just like voice noting, you know, a little bit. But yeah, we never, we weren't really like hot and heavy like, okay, calling. each other every day. It just was checking in periodically and then kind of just fizzled out, you know? Okay. You never visited in the process? No. Okay. Never saw him. I'd have. So, I mean, that was just like, that was it. Yeah, pretty much. Kind of, I mean, Bye. Bye. Yeah. You know, I think that's like the perfect match curse. I've heard so many couples. 80 and all are legit the only successful couple from the franchise because I think,

it's like you come out a perfect match and like reality things and most people are like in different countries let me ask you this right we we know that louis younger than you you feel a certain way about that you seem like a self-aware girlie was there a part of you that left that trip being like i don't want to put myself out there he's already younger he's probably a fuck boy he's pretty honest like would you have been open to something with louis had you left that trip and like he you get back and he's just like let's hang out. I want to see you. I miss you. I like you. And were you open to him pursuing you, but you didn't want to like, you kind of knew what he was all about. You accepted that. And you were like, I'm just going to leave this trip. And we'll see what happens. And then he kind

of acted pretty much how you assumed he would. Right. Would you have been open? You know, to be honest, not in a really serious long term way. I think totally if like, you know, coming out of the show, if he was in town and wanted to hang out and see, I would 100%. We had a really good time together. We spent a lot of time together. And I didn't just, like, all of a sudden, like, stop caring, of course. But I think, like, long term, I'm looking for a husband.

And I didn't, you know, I'm like... He's got some years left. Yeah, he's got several years. And he has a lot of other stuff going on in his life that personally, like, would not necessarily work for me and with, like, a partner. So I think I was pretty self-aware of what it was and what it wasn't. And I was totally fine with that But yeah I mean I think I would have

You know hung out Talked to him more But it also was I don't know It was kind of mutual Yeah It feels like it was casual Yeah

Like you guys got along But you know Here for a good time Not a long time Yeah Pretty much You know So then love island happens

And then all of a sudden We see Louis Hanna Huda Did you feel a certain way about that? What was your reaction to that? Definitely. I mean, I feel a couple different types of way about that just because of the timing of everything.

I think with him essentially hard launching his relationship with Huda or whatever. Is it? I mean, it's been a, they've done red carpets or whatnot now. I mean, they're public. That is crazy they're doing red carpets together. Like even like people. Right. That are dating for seriously dating.

Or like, you know what? It takes a year or two, you know. Yeah, that's why it feels a bit convenient for like publicity mistake. But who do you, if you're going to fault anyone, who do you fault more? Obviously, Lily. Why? Because what, like, it's. Come girl is in a villa.

Come on. Without a phone. But you think, she's just got out of the villa. Do you think Louis has the ability to convince Huda to be by his side and why he should be there? Do you feel like he has the ability to manipulate her into, like, stealing her? her spotlight. I don't think it's like manipulation. Well, he definitely has either either either they're like legit and either they're so in love and then she's just like please come because like no, I think that's what it is. She's fresh off of Love Island. Her star will never most likely be brighter.

She doesn't like she does not need him. She doesn't need a man by her side right now. People are very invested in her. She's so it's like, why is he there? I think that he, I don't know their relationship obviously. They actually could be a good fit. but he could definitely he can turn it on if he wants to he that man is very charming he can do all of it so do you think he's off all the things we said about louis in the positive of the past two episodes where he's like he might be a fuck boy but he's an honest fuck boy do you think he's being more danielish uh with huda not necessarily daniel because that's completely different minus the possessive thing but like pretending he he's playing the the someday version of himself now

I think with the only thing that is making me question everything is the timing of it, the convenience of it, and just like the publicity of it. I just think with real genuine, authentic relationships, it does take a little bit of time before you fully hit a red carpet, publicize it, especially if you have a dating show coming out the same day you are hitting a red carpet. that timing felt so calculated and I don't know they moved so fast that you would have thought that louis was on love island well and also louis on a show that we haven't even seen the finale of yet so you're already ruining the storyline haven't seen the finale girl he hit the red carpet before the show even the day the premiere the premiere came out like so honestly you know whatever he's doing with it is is their business personally but for me speaking as you know a cast member with him and for the rest of like the show, it's pretty disrespectful what he did, just given, like, he kind of took away, like,

you know, a lot of, like, the hype and the spotlight around our show and just kind of put it on himself. And he, like, literally spoiled the show. Yeah. It was very disrespectful to the cast, to myself, to production, and most importantly to, like, the audience, the viewers, because they're like, okay, they're less invested watching this because they already know how it ends. And he was a main storyline. So I just, that made me really kind of second-guess a lot of things with him and question his intentions behind it.

Just to play devil's advocate for fun. I actually feel like I know, I'm like, I'm curious where you're going. I'm like, I feel like I know where you're going with this. Well, we know Huddum moves fast and she's very intense in her relationships. And she has at least on TV demonstrate a little bit possessiveness. and don't you think there's a world in which Louis and Huda got together and Louie informed her that he's about to also be at a dating show

because again, Louis doesn't get to show up on Huda's red carpet unless Huda allows it to be so. I think that's fair to say at this point. Like she's the one getting these big invites and maybe he also, but like it's Huda's the star in that relationship. And maybe wouldn't it make sense? And wouldn't it be very Huda for Huda to almost like mark her territory and stake her claim and being like this is my before the show even gets out and before it airs

I don't want anyone speculating on my man dating any other woman or like you know and he's in and then hood is like so who's the girl that you dated on perfect bats and he he shows her a picture of you you really think hoodo would have been down to have the internet wondering if louis and sandy were together for like how many weeks while this airs it's a theory it's a good theory it's a good theory It's a good theory. I actually, I don't know. Honestly, I feel like... I'm just saying.

And I think for him, it's probably mutually beneficial, which I agree with you. I think it is disrespectful to you. Yeah, he's his own man. Yeah, exactly. You know, I'm just saying the whole, like, the narrative that, like, Louis manipulated Huda and, like, she is, like, this innocent bystander of, like, I don't know. Well, I guess my question, too, is I'm sure, even though you didn't watch the last season of Love Island, there's been a lot of drama with Louis, his best. friend that was on last season, unfollowed him. His girlfriend unfollowed him claiming that he's a clout chaser.

Do you agree or disagree with those statements? Or do you think that it was... I... They're not mutually exclusive, my theory. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that. I was really alarmed when Miguel unfollowed him because I do know, like, how close they were.

or I don't know the extent of like their relationship now, but like for an unfollow on Instagram, that's basically an unfriend, especially so public. And then he actually addressed it essentially. Yeah, he did a full story. You were like, yeah, he's basically I don't fuck with this person. They're like airing it all out there.

That was so alarming to me. That is actually what made me be like, holy shit, maybe his intentions aren't good because this is his literal best friend, you guys, not from TV. This is his friend from like childhood. They grew up together in London. They were friends way before.

Miguel went on Love Island, like way before Louis was on TV, he would FaceTime every day when I was with him. Like, they are actual good friends. So I'm like, I don't know what happened. I literally don't know. But if it doesn't really make sense for Miguel to get so. Like, whatever Louis is doing with Huda, I just like, why would it bother them? Why is it?

Why would Miguel be so upset? I don't know. Even if it was like for a little bit of spotlight. I mean, we're all talking about reality TV stars here. We all love a little attention. We also have the Kenny and Janae kind of thing happening around the same time. So it's like they're very quick to be like if you're trying to use us for more clout, we just don't fuck with you. Yeah.

I think they're like protective over that. And I think at least for what I saw like what was said about hood us, like kind of like protecting that in a way, which I support. But I don't know what happened. I honestly don't. So I can't really speak on it too much other than what is literal. public knowledge with what Miguel shared. And I just couldn't believe my eyes because I know how close they are. And that speaks for itself.

Oh. See, that's the Beyond the Villa version of that show I want to watch. You don't have to go Beyond the Villa because Louie does lives on Twitch with Huda all the time while they're just hanging out. I can't possibly. I take my time watching that show. But that's what I think is like wild where I'm like the public aspect of it where I'm like it doesn't really seem like they're trying to protect anything because they'll literally set up. camera and just like hang out like to go on live especially while you have like a show coming out is just so tricky in general because you say one wrong thing it's out there like you are not

supposed to be doing that type of stuff especially I mean oh my god with your you know relationship with that is that is are they making money while doing that is that I feel like ace is there's a like a thing where like I guess like the new thing is like streaming streaming people send gifts if they're content creators and they're making money just being on these apps. So yeah, like, I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's like, I don't make money being on the apps. Because you don't go live. You don't even spend time on the apps,

bro. Yeah, we go on the app. You'll make some money if you and Natalie sit in front of a camera and just talk or don't act like it's running. But that's what I think is the weirdest part of it is that they act like it's not running. It's like there in a corner, but people are just like if they have to take a poop, they just. No, they'll just be like sitting on a couch and have a camera set up and just be like Yeah, Gallivet talking and like not talking to the camera, not talking to the people. That's Russian roulette.

That's crazy. That's crazy. I could never. But it's like picking up headlines. Yeah. It's kind of this weird version of like bringing back live TV. Like that that sort of, there are these two WNBA players that went live during all certain weekend on Twitch called the stud buds. And it was crazy because you were watching it and you were like, they very, they were going out and partying like all live streaming on Twitch with like the commissioner of the league.

And you're like, they could ruin. in their career. Right. I don't know how people do that. I couldn't stop watching it. And I was like, you're waiting for something. You're waiting.

Yeah. It's like this thing that like live TV used to have that feeling of like what am I going to see. Yeah. And it doesn't really anymore because everyone is so like knows how to handle themselves on TV now. But with like live streaming and Twitch and stuff, it's about as raw as you get and everybody's got their screen recording.

Do we live stream 30 minutes over morning before we start recording? Oh, that's crazy. Well, you just should. I got mess. though. It would be messy. It could get messy. I've seen some.

I'm not even all in that, but I'm like, people are just like. There have been some. Taking phone calls on there. Yeah. Or like things that are set in the background. I know. That's the thing. I kind of, I'm scared of that.

Remember Kailer got in so much trouble because like Aaron was like live streaming and they thought she said something about Elia or something about them being fake. And then it was just like mayhem. Yeah. From like an overheard. I do try to disconnect from that, you know. I trust me. But I get what you're saying.

Yeah, I have no idea when anything aired if you watched too much reality tough. I have a question. So how many people are going to be hard launching, like in a week's time, relationships that have nothing to do with perfect match? Like, do you feel like everyone's – because that's where I feel like it's frustrating that he's now hard launch and everyone's had to be quiet about their committed relationships. And like that sucks for everybody else.

I feel like, honestly, there will be a good amount of hard launches because it's been a year's time. And there's going to be some pregnancy announcement. I mean, you know. Oh, wow. Well, there already is. Well, yeah, 80. Well, and Hannah. Yeah.

Yeah. She wasn't allowed to. Hannah. She was on the, on the cast. Oh, perfect. Yeah, they cut out. Yeah, they cut out her stuff, which is weird. They cut out everything, yeah.

Yeah, they cut out a whole challenge and then all the stuff around it. Yeah, but. I don't remember. It's like, I mean, it is frustrating. She's engaged in pregnant. And she's, I mean, she's come out and said that herself. And she's really excited to, like, announce it because she's been waiting months. because she, you know, she hasn't been allowed to, and we all have.

Like, we've all, like, respected just the, the way that the show goes and the integrity. So everyone's kind of had to keep their relationship on lockdown and private. And then for, you know, Louie to kind of pull his stunt, the day that the show comes out was just, like, such a slap in the face to all of us. Because we've all been, like, okay. But I think there will be a good amount of hard launches. Yeah. Makes it good. Yeah.

Okay. I do have a question. So I saw on, I believe, Rachel's page, you were like at a pool situation or like a hangout and Louis was there. What has it been like being around him after all of this? Is this like when we were in the pool or like no? Oh, is this, was this old? I feel like she. So she did just post a video of her and I and like the guys were in the background. But that was because we did that when we were filming. But we were all just. just together for the Netflix party and then we were filming promo the day before. So we all were, you know, together at the hotel rooftop. I heard from Rachel on the show

that there was drama at the Netflix party. Yeah, I saw that too. I don't know. I honestly don't know what drama she's talking about. I was kind of in my own world, like dealing with my own stuff. But I'm sure there was drama. There was pretty much everybody there, you know,

and it was super overwhelming. But I don't know what drama she's talking about. I actually wanted to text her about that. So I was like, What are you talking about? But did you and Louis speak? What was it like? Yeah, no, we talked.

I mean, that was the first time I've seen him, first and only time I've seen him since we robbed filming because we all did promo together. So we had, you know, we caught up a little bit, very surface level, nothing crazy. And then we all kind of just like hung out as friends, as a cast, and we were kind of filming some videos, nothing serious, nothing deep, you know, just kind of working. Yeah, essentially. But yeah, it was all good. know him and I are good we're friends but we don't we're not like keep in touch really how does louis

feel about fatherhood oh I have no idea that's a louis question okay I was scared yeah I had it has a child though yeah yeah we're just like wondering if he's gonna yeah step daddy yeah yeah you know you know only time we'll tell yeah that's a big one mama sita yeah uh Sandy it's been so fun yes thank you for having me again anything you want to go off your chest before we send on your way? I don't know. Is there anything else that we need to address to talk about? Do you have anything else? Well, thanks for sticking around all weekend and wearing the same outfit. Yes. Thank you. Sorry, we locked you in here. It's okay. Anything coming up for you that you're excited about? I guess now it's that all these shows are done because think about it, I've been the last

two years, I've been waiting for kind of the next show to come out and like having to keep my life pretty private and whatever. So this is the first time that I'm like, okay. I'm pop off on the I'm ready. I'm excited. I'm like, okay, I can just be free and open. Yes. Are you dating anyone? I am. What is his name? No, we're not going to go there. Is he famous? We're not going to go there. How long has it been? So he is famous. No, we're, we're, I'm seeing somebody. I've been seeing somebody for a little bit. And I'm excited to just navigate this, like, without this, you know, these kind of restrictions being in place. So. Yeah. I'll be watching. Yeah.

You'll be hard launching anytime soon? Potentially. Yeah, we'll see. Why can you tell us if he's like an accountant or if he's like... You guys will have to find out. You'll find out. I don't know. I want you guys back on the show together.

Okay. No, I'm asking. I'm quite like, is this more like, oh, good for Sandy. She's, you know, best of luck. Or is it like, oh shit, we're curious. Like, we want to know. I don't know. Have we gotten a photo of like a hand or anything or like, is this going to be like a

launch, are we going to start soft launching? Though you're already kind of soft launching. It kind of soft launched it here. Yeah, maybe we'll start with the soft launch and then we'll work our way. Is he older or younger than you? Older. He's older. Yeah.

I've met him. I have to say it. I got to know. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. You know, like, are you happy? Yeah. How long has been together?

I don't know. A couple months. I'm happy for you. Yes. Thank you. Could he be the one? Maybe. Let's hope.

Wow, how fun. We love love. We're dating to find a husband, okay? Yeah, I respect Sandy. I feel like she has a good head on her shoulders. I feel like she picks good guys, like questionable, very questionable. But it's gotten better. I am getting a lot better on it.

Yeah. Well, I just want to say thank you to all our guests, Sandy, Alicia, and last but certainly not least, Fraser Olander. Thank you to all of them for joining us. Don't forget tomorrow. It's a very special, very awesome, going deeper. James Gunn joins us. First of all, this reality TV, super fan, also director, writer of Superman, peacemaker, head of D.C. Studios, one of the most powerful men in Hollywood sits down with us.

Tomorrow, we'll see you then. And on Thursday, don't forget, we have Lucy and Daniel, kind of a he said, she said as a back-to-back interviews because they don't want to be in the same room together. That is Thursday. Plus, we'll get into O.C. and some Real Housewives of Miami. Also, did I read somewhere that Real Housewives of London premiered? Yeah. I feel like that's going to be good. It's going to be big. It's on Hanyu.

It's going to be huge for Natalie's impression. Huge for my impressions. Can we not get it on Peacock? It's not on Peacock? I'm pretty sure it's just on Hanyu. We're going to actually have to feel how the people who watch on Hanyu. It's the subsidiary of, like, in the UK area, Europe. It's making it too hard.

Peacock, go international. I'm pretty sure that would. was like the whole drama but it's to promote high you too anyway well probably won't be watching it then i guess we'll see you tomorrow bye