The Viall Files - E989 - Monica Garcia Returns, RHOC, Katie/Gretchen Beef Deep Dive, RHOM, Love Island Unfollowing & Icks

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

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What's going on, everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VAL Files reality recap edition. I am your host, Nick, and joined by my wife, who is fixing my mic cover. I've already given her the ick twice this. morning it made me think of i got some i got some women icks for you out later this episode oh why later just give them to them right now women i'm gonna i'm gonna wait oh i'm gonna wait because i was reminded of icks that i have when it comes to the ladies by watching bachelor in paradise and uh real housewives of oh see but we have a jam-packed episode lined up for you

the iconic monica garcia will be joining us momentarily talk a little love island a lot of stuff going down on the internet people are unfollowing relationships seem to be dropping like flies obviously many of you probably watched a love island reunion last night we are recording this monday morning haven't had a chance to watch it yet so we will dive deep into the reunion on thursday's episode of reality recap we got some exciting guests for you lined up it's going to be a jam-packed episode it's going to be a ton of fun maybe it's all just a ruse maybe they're all in it together i don't know Maybe they're just like, I'm tired of seeing, like, your content. You know, maybe they're like, I love you and you're my boyfriend, but like, you're kind of, your stuff's a little weak and I don't really feel like being it.

Maybe it's just the easiest way to get people to keep talking about them. It's weird timing, considering this all happened right before the reunion is about to drop. I wonder what created all this, you know, sassiness, this messiness from the cast. I don't know. But if you guys watch at home, we are currently in our satellite studio, as we like to. call it sitting on some new chairs only because the chairs that we were sitting on we are shipping to the lake house to be part of our living room uh because they are very nice fancy chairs and like there's like almost like too nice for like a studio uh which is exciting because that means the lakehouse

is almost done we are weeks away people uh from being in uh my most exciting place i could possibly be in i we can't wait to show you i don't we're not just a heads up we're probably not going to show you like right away. Well, we're not going to have like all the furniture right away, you know. I don't know. We're just super excited. I can't wait. It's, uh, it's been a long, long process. Not that long, really. I mean, like, nine months. I'm excited. I'm excited for Nick to see all the things that like I did that like I just didn't fill him in on, you know? Yes, of course. All the little details that like I. Yeah. Did. Well, we're very lucky because my parents, as you, many of you know, live up on the lake. Nellie and I have not been to the lake since

Christmas and then we started the essentially rebuild. Remodel ended up being just a total rebuild right after. So we haven't been up there at all. Shout out to mom and dad because they've been, you know, handling the project from like, you know, ground zero, so to speak. They're living in an RV on the property. Now they're living in an RV. They got an Airbnb for like six months and they got kicked out. And then they bought a camper. Wait, what? They've been living on the property to to keep people on their toes, sending us photos and things like that from the lakehouse. Can't wait to finally get up there. I've been missing that place.

You know, like the best time to go up there is a summer. We haven't been able to go up there all year. But like, honestly, like, you know, I guess all things being equal, nine months isn't that long of a time for a total rebuild. But it's going to be amazing. We are super excited about it. Leah, question for you. You have a child, yes.

is what's his what's his walking status i want to i want to i want to i'm going to brag about my daughter a little bit well he used to funny you brag about river and shit oh louis i'm not trying i don't know i honestly i'm just trying to get like a um a baseline really i and he's literally about to be like well river's better no no no listen like she might slow down i don't know like i just i don't i don't know i'm just why leo where's your son at because i got to tell you louis's driving Well, actually, it's funny you ask because... River, she's a year and a half. She sprits.

She's full on running. You know, y'all, last night, the weather was so nice. We, like, went out to dinner and then we came back and we're like, let's just hang out in the backyard. Like, Nick had some music playing. And River, I was like, River, you're about to, like, get the bath and go to bed. So let's, like, get some zoomies out. So I was like, let's just run. Then she was, like, started getting into it.

Then she, like, wanted... I asked Nick to race me. I almost won. but I didn't because I tripped but then River saw us racing and she was like and like putting her hands up

so she could do it with us so she held both of our hands and we did I don't know maybe 50 sprints back and forth across our backyard do she flies she's fast and like she didn't get tired and I was like okay

and I'm like sit down and she's like I don't know I feel like some year and a half year olds aren't even walking yet which is, again, fine. Go at your own pace. I'm just, like, I'm just really impressed with my daughter.

Also, Leah, can you look up, or Sierra? When does a child establish whether they're a lefty or a righty? Because, like... I've been wondering this. Because River, like, you know, when she, like, will throw the ball for Steve, kind of. And when she attempts to throw the ball, it's a little bit of, like, you know, whatever hand the ball's in type of thing. But she has, like, some, like, doodle stuff, you know, like, and she's always, you know, using her left hand and dad's a lefty,

grandma's a lefty, and I'm pretty sure River's a lefty, which is kind of cool because what's the percentage of people in the world that are lefties? It doesn't come out until they're three. By the way, I think Louie's a lefty too. It says hand dominance typically emerges between ages two and four with more consistent preference established by five and six. When I was little, I always like,

I was a lefty when I was little and every, like, I still throw and do like all sports stuff. or like active things with my left hand but then because I went to like Christian school they were like no you should write with your right hand Oh did you develop a stutter? No I just like I can write with my right hand and that's it and then everything else I do with my left hand

I'm the exact same scissors right hand scissors I can do both hands honestly Well I'm a little bit ambidectrists if you all like I write with my left eat with my right throw with my right bat left golf left kick right A message to schools out there Just let kids use whatever hand they want

Because it gets real confusing Same thing happened to me in school I was like using both hands Probably was a lefty And then they were like Your life will be easier if you use your right hand So now I write with my right hand But I do everything else with my left

My mom's ambidextrous Because she went to Catholic school And they would slap her right hand No one was gonna put me in her corner I was always gonna do what I was gonna do You know what I'm saying They tied my grandmother's left hand behind her her so that she would use her right hand.

That's great. Like, just let people be left-handed. I've read somewhere that, like, you can, like, develop a stutter from, like, it really would fuck some, you know, mess some kids' development. I had to go to occupational therapy to learn how to write. Literally a stuttering as he's talking

about it. Listen, I can't talk. He's like, I heard since this happens to some kids. Like, what happened to you? As a reminder, though, we have an amazing week lined up for you. Don't forget, tomorrow's going deeper is epic. Love Thy Nader is a show that's coming out on Hulu. I think maybe it drops today the first couple episodes. It's the new smash hit of Hulu. Let me tell you. These women are

stars. We had the pleasure of talking to all four women. Brooks Nader, you know her. She's out there. Cover of S.I. Sports Illustrated was on Dancing with the Stars. Gorgeous Gleb, her dancing partner, lots of stuff in the news about their relationship and the fall of that. The season kickoff really covers that relationship in full. But we have all four sisters with us to tomorrow for going deeper. It's an absolutely fun episode. You're going to laugh out loud. Again, these women are stars. I promise you. Love that Nader. I think they're going to be the new Kardashians. They really give it their all. Listen to the episode and then comment down below like which one you are. I feel like that's what this is going to be. I told you about secret lives of Mormon wives.

I'm telling you this show is going to be a hit. I promise you. It's out on Hulu. I think right now. But more importantly, we have these ladies tomorrow on an episode of Going Deeper. You are not going to want to miss that. Oh, Bachelor in Paradise was on last night. I don't know about you guys. It's just like, I don't know. Like, they're just, what, Leia, you are like an O.G. Bachelor fan.

Oh, by the way, speaking of Ix. Layah, speaking of X. It's being a fan of Bachelor and Paradise and Ick. No, it was the episode last night when they were like fake camping. Leah, you're a huge fan of Bachelor in Paradise. Oh, that reminds me. Listen, I, you know. Anyway, listen, I don't like snakes.

We all have our phobias. But, like, you don't need to have a whole mental breakdown, panic attack, anxiety attack, just because you see a few bugs. Like, I think the dramatization, like, a full, like, when you use a little phobia to make, have a full blown meltdown. But you don't have a phobia. Snakes, I hate snakes. You don't have a phobia of snakes. What? I don't.

A phobia is, like, an intense. tense fear. You're just like, a snake, yeah. It's not like, no, like I have a panic attack around these.

Your phobia, I guess, is my ick, ladies. I don't know. If you have a full on meltdown. Sorry, your issue that you need

to go to therapy about, kind of an ick. Oh my God. You're a deep seat of trauma? Sorry. I'm sorry. Did you guys really think that that that cat's meltdown

is like a true phobia that she needs to go to therapy for because there were a couple flies. I do. I do. I think the flies were a bit much, but the camping under the light thing, I would be the exact same way. If I'm getting smacked left, right, and center with cockroaches, flying insects, I would, I would, I would, I would freak the fuck out. No, you wouldn't. I've seen your round buck. Yes,

I would. If I didn't covered in cockroaches, I'm sobbing. This was not, you, this was not covered in cockroaches. It was the horse shit for me. Hors shit. Yeah, babe. I'm sobbing. I am. Listen, Kat acted like she was on Fear Factor, covered in roaches. And that, you know what I'm saying? But she was, it was the furthest thing from that. No, I get it. I get it. I have to go to therapy for a few of these.

I'm sorry. If you're going to have a melt long, I need. You're alone here. I'm just talking about my ex. I'm just, but you don't do that. Yes, I would. Put me in that situation. I've never been in that situation before.

Oh, you would hate me. You grew up in Alabama and Georgia. You've been around bugs your whole life. And I have, and I have every single time I see a cockroach. Mom! This wasn't a cockroach. These were bugs. These were bugs.

These were bugs. lies these were like no thanks flying cockroaches were part of that too i'm talking about like the the dance crying and the tears and the like the total freezing and it's just like i get it but but nick i feel like what you're missing out on of this i get that i understand that it's an ick but i feel like you get to kind of like in those moments when a girl is freaking out that is your opportunity to like by all means by all means you know you want to know what's an ick is freaking out when you're watching football or baseball or basketball. So true.

No, no, no, Leia, you want to know what an ick? No, no, no, Leia, you want to know what an ick is? It's the imaginary team in his head that the other night he missed his drafting for his imaginary team, and he screamed, fuck! I was like, I'm late for my draft. It was almost in tears. That was an it. Hey, you know what's not real?

A draft? Do you know what are real? No. Israel bugs. I acknowledge that I give my wife an ick every day. There's something I do where she looks at me. She doesn't even have to say it. And she just like, I can tell she just threw up in her mouth.

All I'm saying is like, can't us guys have some icks every once in a while? I don't think that's valid. No, Mary, I agree with you. I'm not talking about like, Natalie doesn't do the thing that I'm describing. She'll be like, Nick, there's a bug. Can you please kill it? And you're like, yes, of course. What Kat did was this like a full on.

She acted like a three-year-old. I mean, that's baby talk. You know, like women acting like they're like six. I mean, I'm kind of judgmental. I guess that's what I'm trying to. You started with like her having a phobia. Whatever it is. It's like an overreaction and a complete meltdown like a six-year-old.

Like there's and I, and like Dale, acts of service is my love language. There's nothing I enjoy more than taking care of my wife and child. And as a young man, a recurring fantasy that I would. would have, I would like fantasize about my future wife, which is now Natalie. And I would fantasize that I would be going out with my boys to like the big game or whatever. And then, and then she would get sick. And I would say, guys, I'm sorry. I can't go to the big game. I have to go take care of my lady. There's nothing I enjoy more than like coming to the rescue of my person. But like not the total meltdown of like a six year old. We're like sometimes River, like she just gets mad. And she

And no matter what we offer her, it's just like she's just mad because she can't right, she can't self-regulate like at all because she's a year and a half. And like when when I've had girlfriends who give that energy where it's just like like cat did the other night, there needs to be some kind of self-regulation. You can freak out. You can say you don't like it. But when you have a total meltdown over something that like any adult should be able to manage, it's a dick. You have to swallow. See? No, you have to swallow all here. spit that's in your mouth. It seems, Nick, if I may ask Nick you for a second, it seems that it seems

that your ick is less about the bug and more about just like emotionally immature women. Literally. Which is completely normal and follow up question. Is that more of a pet peeve or a non-negotiable? That's a pet peeve. I also don't think that the two things are the same because I feel like I'm a very emotionally mature person. You put me In that exact situation, I act exactly like cat did, maybe even worse. You would act like cat did in that situation? Oh, yeah. I act like that worse.

I'll see a spider in my house and I will act like that. You will melt down to the point where like even if Louie needs your help, you won't be capable of stepping up. Okay, well, that's different. I also don't know. She's a mother. To be honest, I don't know. You're on your own kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just like, I can't deal with like you, you by you. like whoever it is, acting like an infant. I had to go to therapy because of my intense fear of bees. Well, they could kill you. So can cockroaches maybe? No. What are these cockroaches? They're just gross.

But Mary, thank you for helping me articulate my ick. It's really baby talk. It's like the whole like, second ick, we'll get to it when we cover real hospice of O.C. Having to like ask people to not serve your partner anymore because they can't like, because of how they're acting with overconsumption, absolute disgusting egg. Like when Eddie had to be like, please don't serve Tamara.

Like, oh, God, if I had to do that for you. Like, one of the thing is I'm so grateful when it comes to Natalie is that one, she's just not a big drinker.

And I've seen Natalie drunk once in my life. Wish it was more. Well, I'm not stopping you. No, but being in public and just being like, like just kind of a sloppy mess

because, yeah. Yeah, I accidentally got a little too drunk this weekend and I can't stop thinking about it because I, like, I wasn't drunk enough that I like really embarrassed myself, but it was like, when I was young, a little bit younger, never experienced anxiety. I was like, you know what? They get what they get. But now I'm at the age where when I go out, I like meet some new people and some of them are cool and hot. And then I accidentally drank three what I thought were normal celtors, but they were like 8% soju cell like drinks. And then I was like, oh, fuck, I don't know what I said to these people. Mary, let me ask you this, because here's the big difference in that. Like, when you get a little too drunk, are you mindful enough to be like, I'm a little too drunk? And if a friend says, hey, Mayor, check it in, are you okay?

Are you like, I don't know, I might be too drunk. Are you like, no, don't tell me. I'm not too drunk. Give me another alcohol. Are you like, which one is it? No, I'm a little bit in between where I'm like, I think I'm fine. but then obviously that's cute that's a little adorable that's like i'm a fun like i'm fun when i'm drunk i'm never like belligerent i'm always just like i'm goofy and i like am clumsy by

nature in general and that just escalates when i'm drunk and i'm always just like my shoes are too big for me like that's what's the don't tell me what to do give me another people no that's not me my my best friend was like i think we should go and then took me directly to an i hop and then as we sat down. I was like, this is the best decision you've ever made for me. Which I think this coincides with like men who get too drunk and are just like very loud drunks. I think that's like the same. Well, I know who has a lot of exits. Wait. Well, I just wanted to say the ick that you gave me last night. Oh. Yes. Tell us. It's not love if it's not icky. Yes. No, last night. Well, our AC went out in like Rivers Room. Okay. And

And so it was 80 degrees in her room. And I was like, she can't sleep in this. Like, for, like, she's wearing a, you know, she's wearing a sleep sack. It would have been totally fine. Nick was like, I grew up with no AC. I'm, you and I turned out, okay? And I'm like, okay, well, not this child. No, because, like, Natalie is like, she has to sleep with us.

She's going to die. It was 80 degrees. Okay, so she, I put her in our bed to go to sleep. And it's like, obviously, we're, it's not the routine. You know, like, we're not in her chair. We're not rocking. We don't have her books. Like, it's a different routines.

It took her a little bit longer. to fall asleep and then I almost had her and here comes Nick with his big ass flashlight coming into the bedroom I like bring the blanket oh I don't know I think her sandbag move or something I love that she was chasing it though yeah she wasn't stopping she was just like and so then I went downstairs we you guys we should get one of those little we should we should start putting it and stuff just cutting this out we should we should just cutting this out we should just start putting in little, like, technical difficulties. Honestly, I'm fine with keeping this in.

That would be fun. A little astrook about her head. You are experiencing minor technical difficulties. I feel like, could y'all hear me with that? Or I feel like I was doing pretty good with my being. You were definitely fading away. I was fading. Okay, anyway.

Moral of the story is that I almost had River asleep. And then here comes Nick with his flashlight. And I put the blanket over River's face. And my hand is like, don't come any closer. Like, turn around. She's not there yet. He doesn't see it. He walks, like, all the way over to the side of the bed with the flashlight pointing at us, and it woke her up.

And I was like, I could kill him. How was that an ick? Because it made me honestly be like, he's disgusting. What are you doing, Mitch? Should we just take a second? Yeah. Yeah. Wait a second.

Why are you continuing the combo? I thought you. These mic covers don't slip on anymore. It just crushes the phone. Anyway, while I fixed this, you know, has a lot of ics. Monica Gargars. is about to join us. So let's bring her up.

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Monica, welcome back to the show. Always great to talk with you. Hi, I'm so, so excited to be here with you guys. We've missed you. We've missed you. I missed you guys. How are you? I'm good.

How's motherhood? I'm exhausted. Yeah, we're just not sleeping and we're leaking and pumping. and we're just in the trenches over here. Well, if I may, you look refreshed. You look great. You don't look tired at all. We can't see the mount coming out of your titty.

I know. I'm like, let me just. Eyes up. Yeah. Yeah. It's sweatpants from the waist down for sure. I love it. It's so crazy thinking about your daughter's five months old now because I just very much

remember the first time you were on our show when you're in our studio. That was so long ago. So much has happened. Obviously, you know, sadly. and we certainly know what it's like you did experience a miscarriage from that announcement, but obviously you have a wonderful baby daughter now. But it's just more like how time, now and I were talking about this yesterday. It's weird how like some things in your life feel like it happened yesterday.

And then there are other things where you're like, that was five months ago. It feels like three years, you know? Like it could be like two different things. And it's this weird how like some things just, yeah, like, I don't know, like time just moves in a weird, funky way with certain events in your life. No, it's so weird because when I think about it, I'm like, no, I just told you guys like five months ago or whatever, but really it was. It was through that whole miscarriage, the whole pregnancy. And now she, like, it doesn't feel like it's been that long at all.

Well, we're excited to have you on, obviously, because we want to talk some housewives with you. But before we get into some housewives, you also watch Love Island, yes? Yes. Yes. Obviously, the reunion is tonight. We haven't watched it yet. You know, everyone listening. I'm sure many people have had. but have you been seeing all the unfollowing that's going on online with some of the cast? Yeah, I actually this morning I just saw Iris unfollowed Pepe and then Amaya and Brian and all these people. And it's been wild to see this group versus, you know, the infamous season sixers.

Yeah. Like it's nuts. Because even when they, did you see the interviews that they did? And the tension was so thick. when they were all in the room together it was like awkward and you could tell Hooda just stood there sat there the whole time like

there must have been obviously because I feel like they did all that press after the reunion so I feel like so like this reunion must be that shit crazy I think it's just straight up all ego you know I yeah I think yeah I mean

but also Hannah unfollowed Pepe and Hannah Iris have been like pretty close as Pepe unfollowed Iris or does he still follow Iris. He unfollowed her now. Yeah, they all in Amaya unfollowed Pepe and all this. I mean, it's just like, it's also wild that we live in a time that that's how we can tell that how serious something it is if they unfollow each other. It's so true because it's crazy that people, there are people who watch that stuff, you know? Because it's not like you get notified that Iris has unfollowed Pepe. It's like something you have to actively go and look. Yeah, what makes anyone, even if it's like, obviously they have millions of followers, but what makes anyone go? wait is do you think iris is following pepe still we should check we should check like right you're just laying in bed you're like let me check it's the same people who are and i there's kind of a little bit of a movement going on right now to like bring them to light but it's the people what are they

calling them i'm blanking on what they're calling them but it's the people who say like someone will post a video being like oh i love oranges and here's why and then you'll get comments being like but what about bananas bananas are so much better than oranges and it's like what is in your brain that makes you feel like you needed to do that. Why are you defending orange? It's my comment section. That's literally my comment section. Do you know exactly what I'm talking about?

Do. It is this crazy that it only took one season for the cast of Love Island to turn into maniacal egomaniacs. It's, it's been pretty intense to watch. I feel, I feel like I don't, do you guys think it's because. of what happened with season 6 that they just, I don't know. I honestly feel like it's more of what happened after because I feel like they got out. They realized, you know, who had how many followers, who was more loved, who was more,

and then they just like all went to their head. Well, it's that classic case of the reality TV star, you know, kind of trajectory. You know, like right now Love Island, USA is hottest ticket in town when it comes to reality TV. Back in the day, it used to be The Bachelor, right? And if you were The Bachelor or The Bachelorette or one of the few stars from that season, for a brief period following the show, you were getting A-list treatment, right? You were being invited to A-list parties. Literal A-listers would be sliding into your DMs, you know, and just because they're just fascinated

with you. And, you know, one thing that always helped me is I always had the awareness that this isn't real. This is temporary. They don't actually like me. I'm just kind of a freak show to them. You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't want to hang out with me. They just want to interrogate me, but it fades so fast.

And then then they become the classic reality TV star, which is too famous to get a real job and not famous enough to make a living. Like all these people. Like, right? But especially like the young people, like you're fine, not a year. you know what I'm saying but it's like they're like they're they're getting invited to all like they're doing interviews with GQ magazine and like they're getting they're on late night TV and these are amazing experiences and like the ones who don't let it get to their head and are able to ride it out and kind of have that awareness that like this is like a moment a moment they should enjoy and have some

fun with but like they're they're not Ryan Gosling they're not you know like they're not Taylor Swift? Like they're getting that level of treatment right now. Hell, more people are talking about them than are talking about Taylor Swift maybe in this moment. But like they're, they're still not famous for like anything other than being on a TV show and being messy. And like there's going to be a whole new cast next year. And the ones that are able to like have that like reality and like figure out what their thing is are the ones who are going to have longevity. Because they all have to figure out their thing. Like, what are they going to be known for outside of drinking warm milk in a bathing suit? It's true. No, you're 100% right. And I know that once you're in it, you totally get it.

And I can see that you get it. And Andy Cohen one time said, don't believe any of it. The love, don't believe it. The hate, don't believe it. Because it is. It's true. A lot of people are sometimes just fascinated with and joining in on whatever that hot subject is or whatever that trend is or they're in the moment with you but the second it's gone they're gone too you know yeah that's crazy well it'll be interesting to see i will say though i mean rip pepe and brian because like god bless them they seemed like nice men but without the women by their side their value just absolutely plummet's yeah it's so it's pretty fascinating to watch right we end up being like the people we're talking about because we're like, holy cow, like it really is true.

I mean, it's the same thing when Amaya won. He wouldn't have won if he wasn't on Amaya's arm. Right. You know what I mean? Everybody knows that. But yeah, it's so crazy to see the stock value. Yeah, it'll be interesting if we ever do get to hear why there was an unfollow. There's speculation about infidelity with it comes to the IOS and Pepe.

I think many of us are just kind of caught off guard with the whole Brian and Amaya. And it can't be a coincidence that it happened right after the unfollow. of Iris and Pepe, it's giving like, okay, well, if they did it, now I guess it's cool because there's always a fear of like, I don't know, like, I don't want people to know. Like, reality TV relationships always happen before you hear about them because there's like, you know, it's just like, oh, the gravy train. Do I want to say it? You know, it's just like, should we just fake it, you know? Like, wondered that like with The Bachelor, too. I'm like, how do you guys do you talk? I mean, usually it's like a good month.

like you know you know it's really over yeah some more than others i mean like when obviously the jane and kenny some people move really fast when like there's a huge betrayal and and think what matt james and rachel matt james and rachel when there's like a big betrayal and things like that some people move fast but when it's this more like hey i just like uh i don't know i don't like you and you don't like me and like maybe this we're not a couple but no one's really like you just realize that you're just you don't you don't want to be together yeah uh well and a lot of people say like, okay, I don't really buy into this. You guys are doing it just to like milk the moment. A lot of people were saying that with Nick and Olandria. They were like, is this real? Is this genuine?

Or is he just? I just didn't believe that she was into him. I know. Right? Yeah. So everyone's like, or did they just make a pact? But now they do look so in love, more in love than our other couples who clearly didn't make it. And they're so cute. Even for them, it's tough to know what's real. If you had, if someone was like, here's three million dollars to date, like, no one wants to think that they would do that and fake it, right? And like, there's clearly a mutual respect between these two. They're both hotties, right?

I think the world thinks that Alandria could literally get any guy that she wanted. Like any superstar athlete, any famous guy, like who, you know, like. It's true. You know, and Nick, you know, like he could, he could definitely. get a lot of like you know i'm sure his dms are popping you know what i'm saying like it's true olandria is yes yes but like but like you're going to convince yourself there's you know and you know what they literally they could be the most in love couple for all we know like maybe maybe they'll get married it would be a beautiful story but like it's it's really hard to know even for yourself what's

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This has been one of the hardest storylines. I don't even know to follow. Oh, my God. Thank you so much for saying that, Monica. I literally wrote to the team yesterday. I'm like, I rewatched the last scene of the episode. And I'm like, what the fuck is, like, what the fuck is going on? Who's mad at who and why?

Thankfully, we have Mary here who did some little research. She put together an org chart. I'm still a little confused, but Mary and sweet boy, Justin, are going to try to bring all of us, you, Monica, me, our audience. If you are confused, here is our best attempt. at trying to unconfuse everyone that seems to start with the naked wasted party which 17 years ago like I mean honestly that picture of Gretchen Mary that you sent me I was like who who is that what do you mean and and we'll see it in we'll see it in this all right well take it away Mary

okay so I I understand that many people Nick Viall many others have been so confused by whatever the hell is going on with Katie and Gretchen and so I I took it upon myself to do my best to lay out the facts and figures and create a timeline. I hope it's correct. Preference, I did my best. The Katie slash Gretchen beef timeline featuring Tamara and Jen and also kind of Vicky. We need this. We need this.

Vicki does make an appearance. Okay. So this starts naked wasted. Here's a quick history. So this is circa 2008, 2009. Okay, so Tamma started taking etiquette classes. So she wanted to host a classy party where her and Vicky devised a plan to get Gretchen, quote, naked wasted because they hate her. Okay.

So Gretchen does this and she gets like sloshirino drunk, drunk, drunk. Like drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk. And also at the same time, Ryan, who at the time was 22, Tamara's son, he's really trying to hook up with Gretchen. It's really uncommon. How old is Tamara's son now? add like 17 8 on that Nick I didn't know

I would have to do math for this investigation But he's a full of adult But at the time he was like 22 23 And Gretchen was like an adult Who had a dying husband Yes her also at the same time

There's nothing wrong with being 22 years old And trying to hook up with someone older Let's remember No no no no there's no problem with that at all There's no problem with that at all Is a consenting Yeah Yeah no that's a full

That's a man That's a man Yeah but the whole scenario here is really sorted because it's like Tamara's pushing her son onto drunk Gretchen to get Gretchen Gretchen is like Gretchen is not in a place to make any sort of consenting decisions. Also at the same time

Gretchen's fiance is in the hospital battling cancer. Dice. So that's in dying. Also Ryan just got his bar license so he's their bartending. Oh okay. So it's like So he's like maybe overserving her It's not her best. It's getting dark. It's getting gross. Got it. And this is all a plan from Tamara and Vicky.

to get because they want to get the dark side of Gretchen out. So it's really dark and gross overall. And Gretchen, this is important for our investigation later. She stays according to Tamara. She stays the night at Tamara's house. Has anyone refuted that? You'll see. Not that I'll get there.

We'll see. Fast forward to last fall. Next slide. Okay. So now we have the dinner at Mastrow's. This is quote last fall. All right. We have Gretchen.

We have Katie. We have Jen. we have the husbands and they're all getting dinner. Naked wasted is brought up apparently, allegedly, out of nowhere by Gretchen. Okay? Then bloggers are told that Gretchen said at this dinner she was drugged by Tamara. So there have been articles written by the bloggers that Tamara roofied Gretchen.

I mean, according to the episode, nothing was published. So you can't go out and find? So, no, no, the bloggers member Tamara was like, Bloggers are coming to me and saying they have this story. No one published anything. And that was Gretchen's whole point of being like, then why the fuck are we still talking about it? If like the bloggers thought it was a lie, it is a lie.

You think it's a lie. So our only source about what the bloggers know or don't know is coming from Katie? Or Tamara? Because Tamara's saying that the bloggers are telling her, right? We have Katie's point of view on this, which is Gretchen said she went home from naked wasted and woke up sick. She then went to the hospital, got a toxicology report, and the hospital people, the doctors, found drugs in her system.

Which, what kind of drugs? Because alcohol is a drug. Yeah, it is. It's never clarified. Katie denies ever leaking this to a blogger. Okay. Okay. Next slide.

Now we have Jen's point of view. Gretchen, according to Jen, at this dinner, Gretchen just said she woke up really sick after naked wasted. She never said she was roofied and Katie must have lied and told the blogger. Now we have Gretchen's point of view. She technically never flat out denies that she said this except for one time she's talking to Tamara and says, hell to the no, I didn't say that. She is just looking for who to blame. But it gets really confusing because at first she was like, yes, I went to the hospital. But then she said, I never went to the hospital. hospital. And what's also weird about that is that she says to Tamara, yes, like the next day

I woke up so sick and I went to the hospital. And then in her interview, she's like, I never went to the hospital. Okay. And then here's where things get interesting. We have Katie's smoking gone. Matt, Katie's husband, claims Slade. We know Slade, Gretchen's partner. Slate called him to say, quote, tell Katie to say Gretchen never said it. This is after the master's dinner. A.k.a. according to Katie, in an amazing moment of ad-libbing, she said, hold the line and protect Gretchen. Okay. This is why Katie's been backtracking, because according to Katie, Gretchen is caught in a lie of embellishment.

And further, if we're synthesizing this information currently, Katie is implying that the only other person who knew this information is, next slide, please, Jen Padranti. And Katie is implying that Jen leaked the story to Kiki. the blogger. Oh, wow. Geez. Where does this leave us? With one question, this is the photo I was talking about. This is from the naked wasted episode. Isn't that crazy? Okay, with one question, did Gretchen go to the hospital after naked wasted? If we remember, previous information presented during this investigation, it does so happen that Gretchen spent the night at Tamara's house,

which means that the only person who knows if Gretchen actually went to the hospital is Tamara, which means Tamara, judge. is the only person that could prove if Gretchen is caught in a lie or not. Maryam Cosby could also maybe use her hospital smelling powers, but that's not here nor there. Okay. Also, who told the blogger this? Because according to Jen Padranti herself,

if Gretchen did in fact say this, why would Katie go and say this to a blogger? Which means Jen probably leaked it. That's my, that is my case closed. But we did have Kiki Monique come out and say that Katie had like messaged her or something and saying like she was a big fan and like kind of like was chasing who's a fan of who Katie's a fan of Kiki yeah Kiki went on her page and saw follow back so Katie was following Kiki when Katie was announced as a new housewife Kiki like was like oh who's this new housewife let me go follow her went to her page saw follow back and was like oh my God she already follows me so she followed her back and then got a DM from Katie saying I'm so honored that Kiki Monique followed her back. Okay.

So she's, like, accusing her of, like, needing clout. And Kiki was like, I'm, I host a show with the biggest housewife star. I don't need, like, yeah. She's like, I don't need Katie's second season. Well, I was just about to say, like, I don't know. I'm curious what you think, Monica, like, what, what defines blogger status or not? In my... You mean journalism?

Yeah. We're also journalists. We don't, bloggers don't really exist. It's not part of our universe. We just call them trolls or like psycho superfans. Like Kiki Manique, to Kiki's point, like I've been on her show with Durinda. Like I don't know her backstory. I don't know her as a blogger.

Like I know her as someone who has a working relationship with an iconic housewife. And I don't see Kiki as a blogger, but maybe she does operate as a blogger. I am curious, Monica, what is like what is the relationship? between Bravo celebrity and blogger? Is that something that the Bravo universe, like, supports even? And, like, because it seems to be a part of their business model, like, almost as if, like, from the get, bloggers were a part of how people interact. And, like, more and more, you know, housewife franchises are freely and openly talking about bloggers.

and the only reason bravo would do that is if they like don't mind like bachelor nation would never you know what i'm saying and i'm not saying they should or shouldn't but like they just don't they wouldn't and is that is that is that like an unspoken reality or rule in bravo nation like what is that relationship between star and and and blogger in the bravo world no so first of i do want to say i have met kiki in person and she is the kindest soul. She was so sweet. She's always been so great. And I have to agree with you 100%. I don't consider her a blogger. I do not consider her a blogger. I do think that she is in a different category, if that makes sense. Yeah, if you're like publicly cool and like, and you work with an actual housewife.

Yeah. I don't think you're a blogger. I don't think you're a blogger. Because to me, blogger implies someone who, may talk to housewives and get leaked information, but they are, they are essentially super fans who are so like obsessed and tapped in that, and they platform a lot of rumors. And that's why I think it's different because like once you're public facing like Kiki is and has a show, like you don't just get to like, you get held accountable for the things you say a little bit more. As a blogger, a lot of these bloggers are anonymous. Like, you know, like, you know, like they They can say whatever they want. They can put out whatever rumor they want, and it doesn't really matter if it holds

water or not. They're not really held accountable. But like Kiki, like if Kiki is lying, she, she's going to be held to account. So it's not as, you know, so she, I'm assuming a lot more careful and a lot more credible because of her relationship with Dorenda. I was literally just going to say that, Nick. The fact that Kiki shows her face alone gets her on a different level, right? Some of the biggest pages in the Bravo universe, like, this is an example.

This page hates me, so this is why they come to mind. But Queens of Bravo is a huge blogger page in the Bravo world. No one knows who the hell runs it. No one has any idea. And this is why I think partly why reality von Ties was such a big deal, right? Because it actually took a page, which was like a blogger page with no face, holy shit we're finally seeing a face of one of these pages and just like you said most of them are anonymous i do think you know tamra she has a huge what some people would say is a blogger page right

like she reports on housewife she reports on um people and what they're doing she reports on the gossip da da da da da da is that considered a blogger page some people say yes i don't consider that a blogger page but do you know what i mean like a lot of the fans are like she's mad at about people talking to bloggers while being a blogger. So it's just kind of all of this weird, mixed, convoluted, very gray area with housewives and bloggers. I do think they are used a lot to push the shows. I do.

And that's just a fact. A lot of the, you know, inside information or sneak peeks or tips or whatever always come from these anonymous blogger pages. And if anyone it tells you, housewives don't talk to bloggers, that is a lie. Every housewife talks, like, it's such a joke, like, to be so upset at Katie for talking to a blogger, are you really going to sit and say you've never communicated with one of these pages ever in your life or pushed a little something, something to get them to report? I mean, the fact that Gina was able to just, like, dial up whoever this journalist was and be

like hey what's the story yeah also didn't didn't like in like early days of housewives like housewives used to have their own blogs right yeah yeah yeah so it's kind of how like the franchise like kind of started with like watch what happens live started as andy's blog right i think so is that true that's amazing if that's true i didn't know that i think i believe i saw a youtube video about this one time i think it really comes down to whether they're like anonymous or not this is why i don't Tamara's as a blog because it's just like if she's if she puts out something her names on it and so if she's putting out and it's the rumor mill it's like it's the false accusations and like some of some of the rumors that have been put out about people are a little messy to like flat out disgusting

and potentially life ruining yes the fact that like no one knows who these people are and you can say whatever the fuck you want is yep i don't know i think that's kind of fucked up and messed up And, like, if you want to, if you want to put your name on something and put out a rumor, fine. Like, you can be held accountable and you will have to pay the consequences if you're putting out stuff that can actually affect people's life that's inaccurate. But like, and I think, yeah, actually, like, I feel like that's the big distinction. 100%. I totally agree.

Because then at that point, you could be anyone behind the keyboard. They don't know, right? And that was the whole thing with Reality Vantis. That's the whole thing with, you know, whatever. but I don't think throwing Kiki or even Tamara in that group is fair because they are out there. They are their brand. They're literally their brand. So it's not the same thing.

I got to give Tamara credit, I mean, for hating someone as much as he hates Gretchen for 18 years. That's a commitment. That's a long time to hate somebody. Yeah. That's true. Pull it off with Heather. I'm just saying. You don't think you and Heather could ever make up?

Look, I think that Lisa Barlow and I could make up before it has. mother gay and I couldn't make that. That makes me sad because I like Heather. You do? Yeah. I mean, I've only met her once briefly. She kind of, she did flake on me and kind of lie. That's okay.

I understand the situation she was in. Whatever. It's not that big of a deal. Get past it. I have dealt with enough in my family to where I can work past anything, but she is the one refusing. So it's fine. Is she the only reason why you can't come back to Salt Lake City?

If you ask me, yes. Okay. But that's my opinion as Tamara was. Do you still have a relationship with the Bravo execs? Are you in communication? Is there ever, I think, I feel like I ask you this every two to come on. But like I just feel like you're a, I feel like you're a real talent sitting on the sidelines waiting to be like, you know. Everyone seems to think that the big master plan is for them to bring me and Jen,

back at the same time. I don't know if they would ever, if they would do that, though. That's a big, that's a big move. Would you do that? Would you come back with Jen? I've got to, I've got to have someone in my corner. It can't be every, all of them against me again. I can't go through that again.

That was brutal. Yeah, that's fair. So if they could at least give me one person, I'd be fine. But I can't, I don't want to go through fighting Jen Shaw and Heather Gay and everyone else all over again. But Jen Shaw would be quote unquote healed from being in prison. They're already talking to her and they've already said they'd film with her again. So that's why I'm like, I need another person. I just, I wouldn't want to be the lone wolf again. You don't feel like Whitney is? I love Whitney. I love Justin. But I don't talk to her.

She's very, you know, her and Heather are very close. So I don't, I don't know if she, if she would be open to that. I mean, obviously, I love Mary, but I feel like, oh, I feel like I would still... I forget. What, what happened with you and Heather in her salon? Like, who sued who? My God. Yeah. That's so stupid. That was the stupidest thing. So it was from like six years ago, and she didn't even know about it. I had dealt with it in office, but my ex-best friend told her about it. And so six years later, she sues me for $2,000 right before the Statue of Limitations was up.

And so I countersued because I have to be careful what I say, because we're actually still in the middle of it. What? For $2,000. Oh, my God. Two grand. I know. Can you believe that?

You guys have spent more money on lawyers. 100% yeah in hindsight I will say I should have just paid her because I've paid so much more now to attorneys but it was like the principal because I didn't just stiff her I didn't I had to go and pay another place over $3,000 to fix what had been done the principal is so costly you know I know it's funny because you know lesson learned when you get into this world and sometimes it is it's just easy. to just, instead of dealing with all of this. People I know who ride for Heather don't trust you. What's the biggest lie you've ever told that? Biggest lie I've ever told was my affair with my brother-in-law. That was the biggest lie I've ever told. It's weird because I don't know you that well, Monica.

And so I, you know, I'm not in a position to vouch for you. Like, my experiences with you have been lovely. And I think I have a hard time. And I'm sure, you know, we, everyone's lied and whatever, you know. Yeah, every housewife, you know, and yeah, like the affair with your brother-in-law, not cool. No. But you have also owned some terrible things you've done. And it's as hard for me to like, I don't know.

What was your reaction to seeing the trailer? Okay. So I actually just talked about this. Um, I felt like it was giving very much, uh, season four rehearsed monologue. here we are again situation because at the end of the trailer you see heather and she says walk the fuck oh and it was just exactly like whack your brags and so and i'm just like here we go again you know it's just been like copy pace copy pace it's just yeah one trick pony what do you think about the um the Lisa John Barlow mystery that's being

T's. You guys, the way I just bit my tongue. Okay, that is how I know I'm growing. That is, I'm in my mom era because I just bit my tongue so hard for what I really wanted to say about that. Don't bite it. Unbite it. I know. You know, if Lisa ever actually showed her real life, it would be much more entertaining than what we are. are what we are given. And Bronwyn actually did hint to some of it in the trailer. And I think people would be floored if they knew how many lawsuits some people have. That's why I'm like a $2,000 lawsuit. Get out of here. Like people are literally actually dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawsuits. But you know. FEC filing. Yes. Yes. T. Yes. And I know some of the people. So it's just, it's wild to, to see from my point of view, you know. Monica, do you watch football at all? I love football. Who's your team?

I have to say New England Patriots, because I'm from Boston. But I actually love the Denver Broncos. Oh, okay. Well, the NFL season is, is about to kick off. Are you excited about the Patriot season or the Broncos? Like, who do you fuck with more when they play each other? Okay. If it's Broncos in New England, it's New England all day, for sure. sure. I have to stay true to my Bostonian roots with that. I would probably be kicked out of the state if I ever stepped foot in there again if I didn't stand behind a New England Patriots. If you were a football player, what position do you think you would play? Ooh. Could I be the coach? I just, I don't, I want to be the coach. See, now I was thinking more

like maybe Jen Shaw would be the coach because her husband's like a literal coach. And she knows how to throw a flag or she knows how to throw things, you know what I'm saying? So she could throw the flag. She 100, yes, I've had them thrown at me. Yeah. You know, okay, what position is good at dodging? Because then that would, I guess that would be mine. Or it could be Lisa Vanderpump because she likes to support aggressive men. Okay, you said a girl. I mean, I'm, I cannot believe, okay, this is opening a whole can of worms, but I cannot believe Jacks Taylor was able to continue filming. See, I was thinking like Jacks Taylor could be good, but he's such a a big red flag.

Yeah. But then actually the thing is, though, he's really good at blocking people. He is so good at blocking people. Yeah. Blocked by Jack. Oh, are you blocked? I feel, Monica, I feel like you would be in charge of tapes because you're good.

You're good at record. You and Brady, baby. Playback. Playback. Playback. Yeah. Playback. And unfortunately, I know you guys don't get along, but I do feel like Heather

Gay would be pretty good because she does play through injuries. No, she does. But we would never know what really happened on the field because she would blame it on something else, not that actual. But that's why we have you for running tape. I do also, I know it would be like controversial, but I think you're going to want Tom Sandoval because if you're not cheating, you're not trying.

You know what? Whatever with that. But he killed out on Traders. I loved watching his season of Traders. It was so funny. Meredith Marks would be our defensive coordinator, because she knows how to disengage the other team. Yes.

Yeah. Disengage. What is, what would Mary be? Oh, Mary's just, Mary's leading prayer before every single game. Yeah. Mary's leading prayer. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That would be perfect for her. Yeah. But then we have Jen Shaw who definitely knows how to like move chains in prison. You know what I mean? I can't believe the people that she's in there with.

That's like a whole other subject. Tom Schwartz could be head of PR because if you know you're in a pickle, he'll show up and do the interview with you. True. That's true. It's true. I feel like we have a really good team. Yeah.

That's a pretty solid team. Dylan Efron, probably your quarterback, though. He looks the part. Yeah. Not problematic. 100%. And Lisa Barlow can be the cheerleader because if we ever need sexual favors, you know. There she is.

We'll love. We have Heather Debrough as our referee. Oh. She's always been a referee. She's respectful to everyone and no one all at the same time. All at the same time. Yep. And she looks really good in stripes.

She does look good in stripes. Craig, I feel like we'd all, we, everyone would want Craig on his team because he knows how to get a ring or. Or not. Hard to say. Paige, Paige could, uh, do the uniforms. Yeah. Yeah, 100%.

They would be very good. She would kill that. Do you watch Miami much? What I will say about Miami is those were some of the nicest women that I met at BravoCon. They were so sweet, so kind, especially Kiki. Kiki and I actually cried together. She really resonated with my mother, the situation with my mom. And, yeah, I feel like if I went to another franchise, I would probably go there because they're Latina.

And I feel like I could talk normal and it wouldn't. be perceived as yelling. So, yeah. There you go. Well, did you watch the most recent episode of Miami, perhaps? It did. There was a lot going on. There was a lot going on.

If you didn't watch the last episode of the Real Housewives of Miami, here is your rapid recap. Jody won't stop texting Larsa defending Lisa, which Larsa thinks is DeLulu. Larsa also thinks Lisa is killing the vibe because she has to finalize her divorce. Adriana went to mass because she's an empath. is taking notes. And if the girls hate this, they would hate Mary. Gertie and Julia kiss and makeup. The girls all draw penises. Adriana is the sweet boy, Justin of the group, has studied art history. Lisa unfollow Marcus and pigs fly. Stephanie doesn't want Lisa on the plane because she's ruined the environment. Lisa now doesn't want to go to dinner. Gertie claims she is not a makeup artist, but still does Adriana's makeup for her. Lisa does, in fact, go to dinner two hours late. Alexia was engaged to a Spaniard who was the air. air of Pepsi Cola and still she chooses Todd. Adriana calls Kiki Ratchet.

Kiki says Adriana is old in retaliation. Stephanie storms out because the girls ruined dinner again. Adrona joins her to babysit some kids because she's old. Alexia is furious because she doesn't want anyone to know they're American. Lisa apologizes to the restaurant and promises drinks on the house, then trips. Overall, is Stephanie doing too much with her PJ seating arrangement? Find out next week on the Real Housewives of Miami. And the answer is yes.

She's doing too much. She's doing too much. That was a beautiful recap. Thanks to Mary. Yeah. Good job. Adriana, that dinner was, that was crazy. I feel like she threw out Ratchet and then she was like, no, no, no, wait a second.

That is not what I meant. That's a big old. She also wouldn't back down, though. She also, I mean, they all kept saying just apologize. Just that she's like, I'm d'wold, I'm d'wold. You know, she was just. It was awesome. And then when Lisa is apologizing to the group, she's like, well, I have to go babysit someone's kids because I'm so old.

Well, it was nowhere. And who's kids? We're in Spain. Who's kids? Literally. I feel like what also was crazy was the little meeting that Julia and Marisol tried to have with Lisa before the dinner. And they're like, you need to lock your phone up. Yeah, that was crazy.

No, I have kids. And they're like, well, Jody can take care of them. She's like, what? Yeah, that was wild too. Yeah, she's like, he's not going to take. He's not their dad. Then they try to make that as like, oh, he doesn't love you enough to take care of your kids. That was a weird little.

I also have like the taking notes is like the Miami version of Brittany Bateman and you, Monica, like recording people without their knowledge. I thought the same exact thing. I was like, see, everybody does it. Everybody does it. Everyone is just in their own way. This memory is that good. No. Do you think that the private jet thing is bad?

I do. Because I kind of feel like it backs up what Alexia was saying last episode where she was kind of like Stephanie is using this jet or using her money. And at first I was like, no, she seems generous. She seems like she's just like not used to being around a lot of girls. But I was like for you to be so heated about something that didn't actually involve you. And then it's like, who are we going to put in the isolation corner? And it was like very much like, I am the king.

I will tell you what we're doing. And I was like, that's not a good look. And I was, I agreed with Marisol that I was like, we're doing too much here now. Well, what's the kind of being rich if you can't use it to manipulate? Finish people in the private jet. Yeah. I think hopefully a lot of other things. Monica, this has been so much fun.

We're going to have to have you back again soon. Thank you. I love getting together. Do you have anything you want to share, plug or put out there for our audience? No. Honestly, the only thing that I want to share is I appreciate you guys being so open and everything with what you guys are going through and I admire it so much. I know it's hard. And I think you are doing so much for women by addressing it and coming out with it. It's scary to do that. So thank you. I do. I love you guys. I appreciate you saying that, Monica. It's true. So much fun always. You brighten our day and our audiences day every time you join us. So please come back. It's always a good time.

Thank you. Tonight we are going to watch the Love Island Reunion, and we are going to talk about it on Thursday. We got some exciting guests for you to break it all down. Don't forget tomorrow. We have an amazing episode of Going Deeper with the Nader sisters. All four of them join us to premiere or preview their upcoming season, now streaming on Hulu, Love Thy Nader.

It's an epic show. You're not going to want to miss it. It's a lot of fun. These women are stars. trust me on that. That is all coming up this week. Thanks for listening. Thank you to our guest, Monica Garcia. Thank you guys. I think that's it. See you later. Bye.