The Viall Files - E998 - Taylor Frankie Paul Is The Next Bachelorette, Danny Pellegrino Talks Icons/Bravo, RHOM w/ Adriana

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Starting point is 00:01:25 Limited-time new customer offer for first three months only speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on Unlimited Plan, Texas and Fees Extra. Seamint Mobile for details. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the Valfa's Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife, Natalie. She's here. Okay.

Starting point is 00:01:59 Maybe I should leave. I don't know. Doesn't seem like I'm one. Joined by my lovely smart, lovely brain, funny, witty. Witty. Wife. Wife. He said it a little nicer.

Starting point is 00:02:15 It feels genuine. It does. Join by my funny, gorgeous, wonderful, smart, sexy. He's trying so hard to find a different word than gorgeous, hot, sexy. I'm like, cannot find it. Mother of my child. Mother of my child. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:02:31 It just rolls off the tongue. At least he does love those things about you, you know, that they stick out. I mean, I guess. And when I'm not hot anymore, I'm guessing he will leave me for someone who is hot. It's a podcast. You're telling the people who can't see me that I'm hot. Okay. Everyone knows you're funny.

Starting point is 00:02:47 For sure. That's what it was. In case you're listening, Natalie is very beautiful, sexy and hot. Yeah. Yeah. And she's inspiring. Hotful. Smart, funny, witty.

Starting point is 00:02:57 Magnetic. Magnetic. Oh, my gosh. That was a good one. Also, Susie Evans returns to the household today. Hello, hello. Glad to be back. Well, it's happened.

Starting point is 00:03:07 Taylor Frankie Paul is your next bachelorette. You are welcome Bachelor Nation. You're welcome ABC. People, your haters are trying to say that you have an inside source and that's the only reason that you got it right. What do you mean? It was literally my idea three months ago. I gave him the idea. He is the source.

Starting point is 00:03:23 I am the source. I am the source. What do you mean? The call is coming from inside the house. ABC has an inside source. It's called Nick Vial. Literally. Do you not see his comment?

Starting point is 00:03:32 They asked Nick. They literally are watching the ball while. You're right. They had the idea on their own and then someone called me up just to be like, just so you know, three months ago, by the way. You should say this. Like I'm pretty sure Taylor, Frankie Paul was like in the midst of filming season three three months ago and the Bachelorette was not on her radar. Yeah. Yeah, Bachelorette was literally canceled.

Starting point is 00:03:51 They were like, we're not doing this again. Nick was like, this will save the franchise. If you guys want to do it, you should. You should. And he's 100% right because I'm like even seeing the comments going around about it. Everyone's like, I haven't watched it. I don't know how long and this will get me to watch. It's lit.

Starting point is 00:04:07 Maybe I know a little bit about this world. I don't know. Producing. Maybe. Creating. You know. It's going to be great. It's going to be fantastic.

Starting point is 00:04:15 I'm glad the people who make these decisions finally. Made a good one. Made a good one. Yeah. Hopefully don't fuck it up. There is a new showrunner in town. I mean, you know, Taylor. It's the same as Bachelor and Paradise Showrunner.

Starting point is 00:04:27 It's the same of Bachelor and Paradise. So we're going to get a lot of B-roll. Okay. We're going to get a lot of B-roll. Hopefully they don't cut out some of the drama, you know. Oh, but there's going to be so much. Taylor, she was tailor-made. Yes.

Starting point is 00:04:39 To be the Bachelorette. Literally. I mean, she really is everything that makes a great Bachelorette, obviously, you know, smart, articulate, beautiful, vulnerable, honest, honest, real. All these adjectives, he's coming up for Taylor, but he couldn't come up with them for me. That's crazy. I've never heard you. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:04:59 Gorgeous, stunning, beautiful. He's like, Kayla Frankie Paul is gorgeous, hot and stunning. So she's going to be great. Articulate? Okay. I don't want to, I'm not going to call her gorgeous sexy. But she is. That's not my place to say.

Starting point is 00:05:16 That was nuts. No, but like, you know, she's going to, you know, we love a bachelorette who can, like, stand up for herself and call out, you know, bad behavior. Without it acting or coming across. is performative you know like when hannah brown did it it was amazing and then so many other bacheloretts following hannah brown have tried so hard to have their hana brown moment and taylor frankie paul's going to taylor frankie paul she's like no disrespect to hannah brown one of the best bachelettes of all time but i don't think taylor is going to be thinking about how do i replicate that taylor is this going to tailor and we're going to get the most authentic her

Starting point is 00:05:49 which is what we want you know and she's all taylor knows is how to be herself and just show you what she cares about what bothers her what scares her what worries her you know um she's made for this oh yeah and the best part too is that she's been on a show before so it's not like she's new to the cameras or she needs to like warm up i feel like she'll just be like ready to go and i feel like we're gonna get like our like windmill moment kind of where it's like if somebody tries to like cross her or say something or do something she'll be like let me check you right at the door and you can see your way out i think it's also like shedding light on the women who don't have like a perfect story and it's like I feel like time and time again like the people who are the leads are these like

Starting point is 00:06:25 picture perfect and these like you know people who've never been in love before people who've never like made any mistake before in their life and here we have this person who's like been vocal about her mistakes and has three kids and like is a mom and to and to go on this show and I didn't think the decision makers had the guts to do something like this because they always try so hard to sell you the image of someone who doesn't exist. I mean, so many of their, like, bachelors have been, like, jobless, you know. Or stalkers. Or have never had a boyfriend or girlfriend, like, never had a serious relationship. And they've always tried to, like, sell you this idea of someone that they're, like, that they're not, you know, for this idea of selling, like, this

Starting point is 00:07:09 bullshit image. And, yeah, like, we know who Taylor is. She's an imperfect person, uh, who is continuing to work on herself and pick up the pieces and move forward and work through adversity. And, like, that's what's exciting to watch. That's what's inspired. We want to see the mom, the single mom who's made mistakes, find love. Yeah, totally. Like, I'm tired of watching the people who, like, I wanted Daisy to be the bachelor. I don't even know why because there wasn't much storyline in her season, but I was like,

Starting point is 00:07:34 her family owns a Hallmark-like farm. Yeah. Like, that would be so great to watch. Why? I don't even watch Hallmark. Daisy was sweet and wonderful and nice. She was, obviously, yeah. Like, yeah, she's, and what usually the people who have Taylor's star power and, yeah, just star power and the ability to just shine bright, behind the scenes are not very humble and they're not easy to work with.

Starting point is 00:08:00 Yeah, I'll just say that. And Taylor is all of those things. She is incredibly humble. She is incredibly easy to work with. It's just, yes, generous. Yeah. I also think that she will give people opportunities to do the right thing. which I think is cool as well

Starting point is 00:08:15 because I think like you said so many people have come after Hannah Brown and tried to have this moment of like let me put my foot down and I even think production wants that but I could see Taylor putting her foot down and then being like now get your shit together

Starting point is 00:08:26 we're moving forward and like I think we'll see people grow yeah and I like that's a great that's a great call absolutely do you think they're gonna do like a Jen season when they brought the X they're going to bring Dakota in he'd be like he's one of the men

Starting point is 00:08:39 I think for sure I think they will try I don't know if you will I think he's I've ever heard some rumblings that I've heard that he's been trying to get on the show. I think regardless of if it was Taylor or not, but I think that there were like rumblings in the community that he was iconic. Could you imagine, though, that he did. Gets out of limo?

Starting point is 00:08:59 No, he submitted for casting long before Taylor was announced. He fights for her. He was like supposed to be on gin season. He's just like still in the bike guy. So they were like, all right, so Dakota, sure, we'll cast him. What would be epic is if he got out of the limo? and that she just like was like absolutely not sent him home yeah i don't think they will i think they want to obviously like protect her and i think that relationship was so toxic that to bring him

Starting point is 00:09:23 back it's like you know they have a kid together it wouldn't be fair to taylor they need to protect that relationship of co-parent and not try to like make it messy yeah and it would be too confusing as to like what show am i watching i hope they don't yeah i mean this is really just very exciting news susy how do you i saw a lot of people in the comments being like we wanted susy oh i know i I saw that too. I was like, little do you guys know, haven't heard a peep. So I was never in the running. I never got to be me. It was never me.

Starting point is 00:09:52 So all of you cheering me on, thank you. It literally feeds my ego. And I'm like, should have been me, Loki. I'm like, no, I'm actually so excited. You would have been great. But I think we all agree that this is. They needed a step out of 1,000 percent. I don't think that I would be cut out for.

Starting point is 00:10:06 I don't think that I would have, I would be, I think I'm like too frightened by some of my experiences. And let's just be real here. This is a franchise that has been sinking faster than the Titanic. Yes. They need to also do this for Bachelor if they're ever going to bring that back. Well, think about like this is like, think about the significance of this move. Like what was next on the lineup was the next Bachelor season, which would have been the 30th

Starting point is 00:10:27 bachelor season, a big milestone for the franchise. I mean, you know, that's as shitty as the franchise has been lately. Most shows don't ever get a whiff of 10 seasons, let along 30. So like credit obviously to the franchise. But I just feel like they've been making. decisions that, you know, aren't in the best instance of the show. I think they've been playing very reactive rather than proactive, listening too much to like various pockets of the internet of what they think they should do without thinking about what's best for the show. What is our

Starting point is 00:10:56 core audience want? What is going to be the most compelling, most exciting cast? And now they're finally being proactive. And this has a chance to like reset the franchise because there were no, like, who could they have cast it for the bad? Like literally no one from the season. So they would have to go completely outside and there was really no person like kind of a celebrity who would be willing to do that like Dylan Ephron is in relationship yeah he's not available he's not available and he has been for quite some time Danny Amandola like probably wouldn't do it he's already rich he's a football player he doesn't need you know like he just I just don't know if he would have done something like that I think someone like a Danny Amandola could have been a very interesting cast

Starting point is 00:11:36 but I just don't know I'm sandable think about it a relationship also how Carl Radke. Oh, my God. What do you? Who? Carl's not. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. Anyway, but now that they, they can pivot, they will have Taylor. Hopefully they cast they, I mean, casting better not fuck this up. You better get some great

Starting point is 00:11:56 men. For, first of all, for Taylor. I mean, you. Some mature ready to settle down, ready to be a stepfather, because that is what they would be. They need to like be a hundred percent ready to take on that role as a stepfather. And they, I want some, I want

Starting point is 00:12:12 some good single dads. Great single dads. Oh, with already some kids. Remember, they've had some shitty single dads? Remember the single dad who was, who they call out? What was his fucking name? He was one of the most disgusting men from the franchise. Oh, the one who, my son is at home, that guy?

Starting point is 00:12:29 Yeah. Oh, yes, yes. Oh, my goodness. Joseph. Joseph, yes. Who is this man? Wow. It was before you were.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Yousip or something. Anyways. Son's at home. That's what I'm saying. Just because you are a dad doesn't mean you're a good guy. A lot of shitty dads out there. So I want them to find some great single dads. Not that Taylor has to end up with a single dad,

Starting point is 00:12:49 but like someone who can obviously relate and empathize with like, it's going to be a challenge to be away from her kids and things like that. You know, and they need to find some great men. And it should be easier to cast because obviously like Taylor is going to is someone people are going to be very excited about. She knows how to be famous. That's important. And I think sometimes the Bachelor franchises has been so afraid to acknowledge that this is a TV show

Starting point is 00:13:12 and that there is a level of celebrity that comes with it. You already see Taylor is so media savvy in the best possible way. She's going to navigate this very difficult world, very gracefully. I also think she's, like, not willing to change or alter herself for whatever, like, society thinks she should be. I mean, like, I feel like the stylist is going to be like, okay, so here's your gown. And she's going to be like, I don't know. I feel like wearing sweats and crocs. Like, can I just do that?

Starting point is 00:13:37 They'll be like, literally. Well, it's not really what. And she's going to be like, I'm going to do that. And then we'll see her out of row with ceremonies. like in comfy cozies. It's 4 a.m. You guys. Literally like,

Starting point is 00:13:46 can all of you all just go change because you're making me like uncomfortable in these taxes? Like, can you just get the look out of here? Can we just keep it real? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:53 That's my question though because it's like we're taking such a wholesome franchise and then you're casting someone that's known in the, the entertainment sphere of like toxicity, drama. So I'm like you're breaking the format. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:04 Anything can happen. They needed to. They needed to. They needed to reset. And hopefully like, you know, I mean, and they'll have another,

Starting point is 00:14:10 like when Hannah Brown was such a great Bachelorette, she gave us Peter Weber. And whatever you thought about Peter as a bachelor, it was an amazing season. And then because Peter Weber was such a popular contestant on the Bacheloret, it got some great women contestants. And we got another amazing season. Like, you have to have great leads in popular seasons to have people want to sign up for your show. Like, every time they fuck it up, it just like makes casting for the next future seasons that much harder. Yeah. So they have a, they have a chance to reset. I hope they don't fuck it up. Let's hope not.

Starting point is 00:14:42 Oh, we have a great show lined up for y'all today. We do. Danny Pellegrino is with us momentarily. I know so many of you are fans of his. He's a big fan of pop culture, Bravo, and all the things that we love. He loves too. And he's joining us momentarily to talk some headlines,

Starting point is 00:14:58 talk some Bravo with us. We also have Adriana Demora from the Real Housewives of Miami to talk about this current season. What's going on? All the T, what her thoughts and feelings are. Did she say? wretched or ratchet I think wretched

Starting point is 00:15:14 Also did she know the difference Did she know that there was two words Right And probably like me She just like one boble She said 1,000 That's all coming up And he's here

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Starting point is 00:18:06 down, and it's always a Bravo Liberty has the really dramatic sit down. It's like, you guys are going to talk about all the dirt. I think you just did the one with Katie from Orange County Housewives, which, of course, was fantastic. Yeah. What did you think about that interview? I mean, I thought it was great. What's fascinating to me about the Katie's situation is

Starting point is 00:18:22 no matter what, I've been analyzing the Housewives on my show for years now. And what I've realized is that whenever the cast goes against one person, the audience always tends to side with that one person, no matter what, like I don't actually, I think the cast might have good reasons to not like Haiti, but it never works out that way in terms of the audience reaction. Do you think it's how they go about it where they kind of lack maybe the tact or maybe it's

Starting point is 00:18:48 the editing? Because I think part of it is just almost feels kind of like a bully situation, like a pilot. And I also think that the cast never produces as well as a producer is going to produce on the show. And so sometimes the audience, I think, can feel that the cast members are trying to sort of produce or cast the show themselves. And it's like, let the other people behind the scenes do that. And I think ultimately it might have, the cast, Katie might not have been back next season or the audience might have turned on Katie more if the cast would have just let it play out how it plays out. Instead, you can kind of feel the cast of trying to control the casting. It's like now we all have sympathy for Katie and now we like don't want her

Starting point is 00:19:27 to go anywhere. And now we're like, I'm mad at all the other women. for like ganging up on her. I feel like it's kind of similar to last season with Shannon. You know, Tamara being like, I've never seen someone who gets a DUI and then is like, has this treatment. And it's like, well, it's because everyone was mean to her and we all felt bad. I think the person has to be so incredibly unlikable for the cast if they team up against that person to kick them out.

Starting point is 00:19:48 But otherwise, it's like the audience is always going to side it. Yeah, it's almost like the fans are like, we'll decide who we like and who we don't like. You don't get to tell us who to like and not like. Yeah, that's interesting. Before we started recording, we were talking more OC, we were talking a little bit about Slade, and you had some kind of thoughts about his involvement this season. Well, I would have thought they would have leaned in a little more to the Slade. Like, he's not, I think it was maybe in one confessional.

Starting point is 00:20:12 There was also those text messages between him and Matt, which also, like, looking at the text messages between him and Matt. Obviously, I mean, Matt was sort of presenting that as a smoking gun against Slade, but it's like, obviously Matt was on it too and, like, talking to him so much on all of those call logs and everything, which was like, that's kind of sketchy. But Slade, in those text messages, it was blurred. And I'm like, what's going on exactly? Like, why are they blurring? I feel like there must have been something.

Starting point is 00:20:36 I thought that was weird, too. Right? Like, he's been on the show from the beginning. And if anything, I would think they have the release on him. So did he contact production say, I don't want these text messages shown or something? I saw an old clip, I'm sure. Sierra, you remember this, but the, of when he was with Joe and he was at a reunion. And he was like, yeah, I'm not coming back next season.

Starting point is 00:20:55 And he was like, well, that's because Joe is it coming back next season. Andy caught his ass. So, like, obviously you aren't coming back. But they are still talking about the shape of his dick, which is... I know. We're over it. I don't need to know what... It's curved or not.

Starting point is 00:21:08 I don't care anymore. I never needed to know. First, is it like, is it curved or is it broken? Because, like, curved is one thing. Curved is like, oh, that's interesting. It's, like, hitting a new spot. And, like, broken is like, I don't know. Are you okay?

Starting point is 00:21:21 Is it functioning? But isn't that weird that's, like, the all we've learned about Slade and all of this time off of the show and then... Yeah, I mean, there's this whole thing about, like, Tamara preventing Slade from working, but then it's like, well, what? So was he just not working in all of those years off the show? Like, I don't really understand what was happening. Because there was a- Like, has he never had a career of his own? Yeah. What exactly is? Do you remember when he was talking about wanting to propose to Gretchen and his mom is literally looking at him like, well, what do you do? It's like his own mother couldn't decide what he does. And she's like, I work for Gretchen. And he's worked for Gretchen and he's worked for Gretchen this entire time. But we're like, as what? As what? And her assistant? the four part is wild like imagine if I said Natalie works for me yeah yeah rather than like

Starting point is 00:22:05 we work together the other kind of strange part about it all and this is maybe a little devil's advocate but it's like I remember that you're talking about their proposal and it's like I remember that and I'm so shocked that they're still together all this time like there was and they're not married right

Starting point is 00:22:21 like everyone's being so weird about their like label it's like boyfriend Yeah, it says like, long-term life partner. I'm like, what? Why do I feel like it has to do with taxes? I hate how they write. This is a set off shoot, but I hate how they still label the people.

Starting point is 00:22:36 It's like, we've been watching the show. It's like, I don't need you to say Shannon underneath Shannon. Like, I get that it's Shannon. We all know it's Shannon. She's a main cast member. She was just in the opening credits. Like, I don't need you to write Shannon underneath. Imagine if you're watching Friends and just says like, Joey.

Starting point is 00:22:50 It's like, we get it. No, it's so true. 15 plus years. it is wild like she isn't I guess for anyone who I don't know would randomly start this one season you know like hasn't watched yeah like who's I don't think I don't think new people are really tuning in at this point like I think it's you have the people have been watching for years yeah and I think if you get anyone new it's like someone who has a friend who was like okay you're on maternity leave you need to sit down and watch this totally also the flashbacks led you catch up really easily really fast like like housewives is one of the easy or franchise to like pick up kind of wherever they're at and you know you'll you'll figure it out you'll flashback it'll be great and the other thing about it though is like they don't label everyone so it's like why are they just labeling Shannon will be entering a scene with Tamara and I'll just say

Starting point is 00:23:40 Shannon it's like what the fuck are we doing what do you think of emily's storyline this season I don't like the stuff with a kid and like I understand it's like angel devil like I understand maybe presenting something like this can be helpful to parents going through something similar but I just think of myself, like I had eating disorder issues as a kid, and I just think, like, if my mom was on TV talking about that before I had sort of my handle on it as a child, like, that makes me uncomfortable. And I think what they should have done, and they're sort of are doing this a little bit, but like, I think they should have leaned in more of like her and Shane's relationship to what's going on with the kids while keeping the kid thing vague. Right. She touched on it a little bit with the girls of like, we've almost divorced because of this. And then I've heard stuff like, you know, about the T shots or whatever.

Starting point is 00:24:29 She's like, I finally want to fuck my husband. And it's like, give us that and leave. You could still kind of do all of that stuff without giving the details of. Yeah, it's, I completely agree. It's always, and it's tough to critique, you know, as new parents, right? Like everyone has an opinion about how people should parent and things like that. And obviously people certainly have opinions about us and what we do as parents and what we share or don't share. But yeah, it is a little uncomfortable to your point when we're talking

Starting point is 00:24:55 about like this kid's hip-op. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're violating him. Yeah. We're all sitting in the doctor's office. And also, by the way, he's not, it's no one seems to know exactly what's happening yet. So it's like also we're doing like a guessing game. It's not even past the point of a diagnosis. Yeah. And what is, but what is interesting too is that dynamic of, because I think every couple will struggle sometimes is like the tough love versus kind of the nurture. You know, it's just like, hey, sometimes, you know, when River cries, like Natalie feels it in her bones. And sometimes I'm just like, you know what? It's going to be okay. Like, sometimes we don't need to do that. And that is a, that is a challenge for every relationship. And her and Shane clearly are going through that. And Emily is vulnerable admitting that that she maybe kind of coddles her child. And Shane's is like, hey, you know, when you're gone, he magically seems to be okay. So maybe you're playing a role into this. And, things like that. And that is fascinating. Right. You know, I also wonder if there was something behind the scenes of you, this is your,

Starting point is 00:25:56 what's going on in your life, you have to talk about. I'm sure there were conversations. And then, you know, if I put myself in someone like Emily's shoes, you might think, well, this is how I make a living for my family. Is it important to kind of go into this? I just don't feel comfortable while it's one of those things to me that feels a little icky. It is hard. I mean, it is, it kind of reminds me of like Salt Lake City with Mary and her son. And I feel like the difference there, obviously, is he's. He's a adult age. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:22 So it's, you know, he and her coming out and being like, we had this conversation of like, should we bring this? And he was like, I want to help other people. You know, like the fact that they had this open conversation about doing this around cameras versus like this minor who like you, like no one even knows what's going on. And we're just like speculating. And then you're allowing millions of people to also speculate on your son. Because I tell you, I post one thing of river. And it's like, oh, this is what she has.

Starting point is 00:26:47 Oh my God. She's not eating because she has this. Oh, she. You know, like, everyone has an opinion. And so it's like to open up that door and allow people to try to help diagnose their son. Everyone plays doctor. I know. I don't like the social media thing with, I have a three-month-old and it's like so stressful to post any photo or anything because you just immediately, I mean, if you're taking a picture when the baby's just unswadled, people are like, well, the blankets.

Starting point is 00:27:10 Oh, yeah. Baby's too close. And it's like, well, I'm right above the baby. Yeah. Or I remember I took a photo of river. getting her out of the car seat. So she was the top one was unbuckled and I took a photo of her and then posted it for maybe five seconds and got like, you're seriously driving around with her unbuckled?

Starting point is 00:27:30 I'm like, are you fucking stupid? Like you really think I'm just like, oh, this one's not meant to be buckled. This one's for decor. It's time to take a photo. And in general. Like carrying a backpack with one strap and two. And in general, no one wants like the parent, even in person, it's like most of the time, you'll ask if you want advice about like, hey, is there a diaper?

Starting point is 00:27:50 are you like or is there formula into or something. But, you know, no one really wants unsolicited parrot and advice. And so when it's coming from strangers or I've had people, you know, reach out with like medical advice, it's like, I'll talk to my pediatrician about that. I don't even know this person who's reaching out to me with medical advice. Like, why would I take it from you? Like, let me figure it out with my circle. That was the same thing while I was pregnant. It was always like, you know, if I said, oh, my God, I've got headaches and be like, oh, my God, you have. And now that we're going through this, like, trying to get pregnant again, And there's a lot of, you need to get checked for this, you need to get checked for that.

Starting point is 00:28:21 And I'm like, guys, I am working with doctors, people who, like, do know what they're talking about. And I'm trusting them. And kind of going back to, like, the Emily situation, sometimes with the situation, you want to share your life to maybe connect with other people who are going through something similar. But then the flip side is you have to deal with that opinions. And you're like, oh, fuck. Well, Salt Lake City is coming soon. Next week is out, two weeks. September 15th, it premieres on my dad's birthday.

Starting point is 00:28:47 How about that? They did it for him. What are you most excited about in looking forward to this season? All of it. I love Salt Lake City. I think they're the best. They have conflict resolution. So it's like one episode.

Starting point is 00:28:58 You might have conflict between Lisa and Meredith. The next episode they're together and they're feuding with Heather. And then Heather, you know, so they go really quick. What I like most about Salt Lake City versus something like Beverly Hills is that they have a hundred storylines going on at once. It's not just Beverly Hills will focus on one thing. And the whole season. And you're like, okay.

Starting point is 00:29:17 forever. But see, the weird, the fascinating thing about it is in talking about all these shows, I hear from a lot of people who watch. And so many more people, I think, tend to watch Beverly Hills because it's like laundry television. You can fold your laundry while you're watching it. Totally. Because they focus on one storyline throughout the whole season. Wait, what did you just say? Wait, go back. Yeah, you're just like doing whatever. You can miss two seasons. Whereas Salt Lake, to me, is for the fans. Like that is like, you have to sit and pay attention. That's so true. That's why I like Salt Lake City so much better. And I just realized now why. Because, Sometimes I'll, like, be watching Beverly Hills. I'm like, didn't we have this episode already? Is there another new episode? Am I watching the same episode as last week? It feels very repetitive that way. How is Monica? Monica.

Starting point is 00:29:57 Honestly, fabulous. And when we had Monica on, you know, like she came in right after it all went out. And we talked. I remember one of those dramatic entrances. Oh, yeah. And we talked, I was team, Heather, team. I mean, because if someone who's been on reality TV, who has, you know, gotten a ton of criticism by the internet.

Starting point is 00:30:19 I feel a certain way about anonymous blogs and anonymous accounts who, whether they think they are not, are very much bullies to people on TV. They don't treat us like human beings. They spread rumors and gossip as if it's like just with no consideration. When that all came out, I was, I was triggered.

Starting point is 00:30:39 I was just like, this is so fucked. So we had Monica on and she knew all the shit we talked. But listen, I didn't agree with what she did. didn't change my mind that she was wrong, the role she played, and being a part of that account. But I also just, like, still, it could see, I don't think it came from a place of evilness. And, you know, for all the people who are fans who have, like, these anonymous

Starting point is 00:31:01 accounts, again, I think a lot of them, a lot of them just don't realize how it is affecting people, because I think sometimes as a fan, you just kind of, like, almost objectify. Right. It's like, they're not seeing this, or they're not. They're not, yeah, they're not internalizing it the way I am. So. So, yeah, and then, yeah, as we got to know Monica at first, is kind of, can I trust this person, I trust this person. But she's honestly been pretty consistent with just being a really nice, pleasant person who was very gracious to come on.

Starting point is 00:31:29 And she was like, you know, I don't know. She seemed fine. That's what makes a great housewife, though, is when the audience is speculating, do I like this person? Do I not like this person? Where it's every week you're kind of going on that roller coaster. And Bravo sort of edits the shows that way. But I think they work best when you're week to week,

Starting point is 00:31:46 the audience is saying, do I like that person? Do I believe her or her? Do I side with them or that person? But I am such a fan of Heather. I've told her as much. And I'm waiting for Heather to not try so hard to be friends with the Listas and the Jen Shaws of it all. And it always just feels like Heather, I don't know, was it, was it Angie and talking

Starting point is 00:32:07 about going to high school with Heather and how she talked about, like, Heather always wanting to be part of, like, the it group. and like and that like made so much sense the way she moves or the rest of the women because she always saying you can feel it yeah she she she you could she just seems to be like Lisa is plays a very good Regina George in a way right or she's like kind of popular she knows all the people she's in all the scenes and it seems like Heather always wants to be surrounded by those people before it was Jen Shaw I feel like Heather has all this potential to be like the leader but she doesn't, like, have the confidence in herself to be the leader. And I hope someday she just

Starting point is 00:32:46 decides this is my season. She might, you know, that cast just goes on such a rollercoaster. It's like, I mean, Angie last season. Yeah, Angie. Yeah. And even when Angie first joined, I think all of us were like, oh, who's Angie? Like, she seems a little thirsty or whatever. And then her next season back, everybody was like, I love this woman. I want to watch her every second. Yeah. I mean, they do such a good job. And Lisa, you're right. I think like Lisa, what I love about Lisa is that she seems to be totally herself on camera for good and bad and that always works best for housewife too. But I love, I mean, even Meredith, they're all great. Sometimes Meredith, I feel like isn't necessary. I don't know how much she is like that, but I love her persona that she's presenting

Starting point is 00:33:24 to us. Like I don't, does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because every, every season you get a couple of like, you, it was just like, you. Yeah. She just goes tall. You can leave. Yeah. So hardcore. As a new parent, you watched a known number. on Netflix. Oh, my God, yes. It was crazy that woman, the mom. Yeah, we've talked about a little bit, but, like, you know, it must have been very triggering for you as a new parent, like, thinking about, like, what, how could someone... It was shocking. Because I didn't know anything, did you guys know the story before watching that? When they showed her mugshot, I was like, oh, I remember seeing this bitch's face. I didn't know. Oh, see, I, yeah, I didn't even, like,

Starting point is 00:33:58 recognized. I didn't know any of the story. And, like, halfway through spoiler for people who haven't seen it, but halfway through the documentary, we're interviewing this mother who's been abusing, who's crying and I'm on her side. And I'm joking home. my gosh, like, I can't believe this mother having to deal with her kid getting bullied and these text messages. And then halfway through, it's like, oh, yeah, it was the mom doing it. And the mom, it's like so delusional. And then it's so upsetting by the end of it. The daughter is still defending the mom. Which I kind of get. I get it too. I understand, but it's sad. It's sad, but I was very frustrated with whoever the director was because it really seemed

Starting point is 00:34:34 that they empathized way too much with the mom and wanted to. I think a lot of people are frustrated. And I wanted a diagnosis. Like I wanted to like explain to me how a mother could do something like this. Don't let the mother explain it to us her point of view. I don't care about her point of view. And I don't want to hear her downplaying it and comparing it to like, you know, me being 17 and stealing a bag of chips. Right. And it did feel to your point like they didn't grill her enough with any of the questions because by the end of it, it just felt like we all had more questions. Why didn't they should have went deeper. Maybe the mom was just giving surface level. answers of like, well, I just kind of got caught up into this or whatever. But I just felt like I needed more information. There was also some confusion on whether or not she was saying she didn't initially start texting. Somebody else did, right? Which is obviously a lie, but it felt like they didn't grill her enough on that. It's like, well, I accepted that. I don't even think they said, like, well, then who did? Do you know who did? Or what's your, what's your opinion on who did then? Like, there was no follow up there. And it's like, that was a pretty big gap of time that

Starting point is 00:35:36 you're saying she answered if she got caught up into a certain like kinky porn you know it's like she watched some kind of like swinger porn and then like kind of just went down to it and got and got and got obsessed with watching a bunch of orgy porn or whatever she's like I don't know it just like started that just happened you know it wasn't first it just happened but then also like I had questions for the dad too like it just he found out and then he was mad about it but then it ended and I don't know I just wanted more information about like how their relationship was after he found And it just, I mean, they're probably working on some sort of follow-up to it or maybe there's going to be a part two or something, I would imagine. But, yeah, it just felt like there was too much left on the table there.

Starting point is 00:36:17 But it was really fascinating and also just so dark-sided that a mother could do this. Anyone could do this. It was weird. Disturbing. Halfway through, I felt like I knew us like it's got to be one of the parents, right? Yeah, yeah. They knew too much and it was too, like, it was too sophisticated for it to be. I wanted to know more about the relationship between the two moms, like, because they were really close friends.

Starting point is 00:36:36 It's like, I understand that once the boy mom found out that the young woman's mom was doing it, like, they distance themselves. But it's like, was there ever more confrontation? I don't know, I just wanted more. Yeah. Before we get into some games we have for you before we send you on your way,

Starting point is 00:36:51 you help co-write Tom and Ariana's cocktail book. I did pre-scandible. I was on Special Forces with Tom. He's been on this show. He gave us one of the more iconic interviews that we've ever had. And I've been on record of saying this. I have a bit of a soft spot.

Starting point is 00:37:06 for Tom. I obviously don't condone what he did. I think it was horrible. He had a bad type taking accountability. But I don't think he's an evil narcissist that so many people tried to make him out to be. But you are also someone who worked with both of them and obviously got to know them while working with them. I'm just kind of curious what your thoughts are, knowing them human to human. Well, you know what I'm smiling? I'm thinking of the Valley. And I found it so fascinating. This never really came up. I don't think I talked about this on my show much. But it was so interesting to me that the audience seemed to hate Tom more than Jacks. And like, Jacks was so awful. Like just, like abusive. Physically, we heard things, you know,

Starting point is 00:37:43 like there was so much. And I don't know. I found that interesting. And obviously Scandabal was like a bigger cultural moment and stuff. So, um, and of course, I'm, I love Ariana. And I think she was the best. And working with her was so incredible. And they, you know, I don't want to, yeah, I don't want to say anything too much. But it was what it was. I was. I, I don't know. I was. I I don't know. I think like working with Ariana was so great. And you worked with Tom. You could imagine. He's a very interesting eccentric person. Yeah. I mean, they did come up with all of that. I did, I was their co-author, whatever, but they did all the cocktails and stuff. And, you know, he came up with some great recipes and stuff. And Ariana was just like the best to work with. I loved her. I loved working with Ariana. Okay. Love. Love. And she's gorgeous. No, and she's also like, I never thought, I said this even before working with them and stuff. And. And, getting to know them, I learned, I never felt like they gave Ariana the right edit. I never felt like her personality came across on the show. And then it was fascinating to me, like, once Scandival happened, it seemed, then they tried to all of a sudden lean into like, oh, Ariana's great.

Starting point is 00:38:46 And I was like, she's always been great. But like, you guys have always just presented her as sort of this, like, downer person. And I never felt that was right. And I would always say that on my show. I'm like, the Ariana in real life is so much more vibrant, funny. And now the world is sort of seeing that. Bravo loves their toxic but it's like, yeah, that's what I hate the most is like, Tom always got this kind of well, well-rounded at it before Scandival. And even

Starting point is 00:39:12 a little bit after Scand-Ball. Do you have as much empathy for Brittany is, say, Ariana? Or do you feel like Brittany is kind of culpable in her life that she's chosen for herself? I have a lot of empathy for Brittany because I think with the sun and that's what I find

Starting point is 00:39:28 hard about the valley. And I like the darkness underbelly of Brava. And I like watching. I mean, from the beginning, it's not like a new thing. The beginning of Beverly Hills Housewives, we were dealing with alcoholism, suicide, these kind of things. So I find that all very fascinating. But there comes a line or a point, right, where you're watching. I was like, this is uncomfortable. And some of those situations in the past have been uncomfortable. And with Brittany and Jacks, I don't like the kid. It goes back to Emily and Shane. I don't like when there's a kid involved. And I think being a new parent, I'm a little sensitive to that. But it's like knowing Cruz is involved. All of it makes me a little uncomfortable and very empathetic to Brittany because, you She's saying these things and there was, I mean, she, at the reunion, she was saying Jacks push her in a bush or something, right? And everybody on the cast said we knew about that. But they didn't even follow up on that. And then it starts to feel like we're protecting Jacks. You know, and throughout the season, I felt like that too, going back to your point about protecting a lot of these toxic men. It's like they had Jacks doing Watch What Happens Live playing games. Crazy. Playing games. Like that was wild to me that he's on Watch What Happens like playing a silly game and doing audience polls and stuff. When they knew. how the season played out. They knew how the reunion was playing out. I think at one of the points he was on Watch, What Happens Live. He was doing the, I had hosted some of the, one of the band segments they did where it was like the cast was in the Valley van and they paired us up with different people. And so he was in that preseason where they, so he was doing press and promo and

Starting point is 00:40:49 everything. And they knew how, so like to me, it's like, well, that's a little dark side. And that makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, it's so gross. And so I, I always kind of thought with the Jacks thing, they should have they could still tell the full story but why are they doing promo with him and like leave the story for the show we don't need all these bells and whistles because then at least I can as an audience member

Starting point is 00:41:11 believe well this is a documentary this is worth seeing these people's lives but then when it becomes this like showboat thing I'm like oh well said all right well we do have a game or games we have a game we have a game but it's a game of all games it's a game of all games

Starting point is 00:41:27 Mary take it away explain the game to our audience and Danny. This game is called iconic or eye roll. And we are going to show you some moments from pop culture

Starting point is 00:41:38 recently and we want you to tell us whether you think it's iconic or an eye roll. An eye roll. Okay. Iconic or eye roll. And then of course

Starting point is 00:41:46 Beyonce holding Grammys for auditory listeners is iconic and Liz Lemon rolling her eyes is an I roll. Okay. So up first we have

Starting point is 00:41:57 Doja Cat eating her lipstick. On the VMA's red carpet. I kind of, it brought me back to the days. I know that's not what this it was, but it brought me back to the 90s when they would have like a lipstick would be candy. Do you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:42:08 Yeah, like cigarette gum. Right. Like they don't do that anymore, but I love, as a little closeted gay boy, it's like I wanted a candy lipstick. Yes, yes. And that's 100% what it was. And I mean, I think even Gabby said,

Starting point is 00:42:22 like, you didn't even get any on your teeth. Right. Proof that it was well planned. Do you think it was real? Then it wasn't real lipstick. Yeah, it was. Probably right. It was candy. See, I'm done. I was like, yeah, that was great. She just a iconic. It's iconic. All right. Up next, we have the end, just like that finale.

Starting point is 00:42:37 Okay, I thought I was going to say all of these were iconic. But then we, talking about this finale, I thought it was terrible. And I hate that they're trying to commence this that it was pre-planned, that they knew this was coming. Because if they knew this was coming and they ended it with shots of shit in the toilet and Victor Garber looking at shits in the toilet and cast members or guest stars that we never even knew, like these Gen Z kids that were just, It was terrible. I hope that sort of the public backlash against this finale encourages them to come back and do some sort of wrap-up movie or something

Starting point is 00:43:06 because for the whole legacy of those characters to be ended like that, to me, is just egregious. Yeah, they took a big dump. It was a big dump. Literally. A literal dump. And it was like, we didn't have to see the poop. If you wanted to include the poop, like, we didn't need to see all the shots of the poop. But it was weird.

Starting point is 00:43:24 I don't understand the mechanics behind the scenes of like, did HBO approve all of this? Like, did they just say, Did they see the finale and go, okay, that's... Honestly, they could have just had Big Die and then her get back together with Aiden and then end it. But then we all hate... And then they ruined Aiden. Like, I was always Team Aiden back in the day. And I was like, oh, we ruined Aden.

Starting point is 00:43:42 I kind of feel like they... And I hate to be dramatic. They feel like they ruined all of the characters. Like, almost every one of the characters they ruined. And Charlotte, Harry, like, everything about... What was her vertigo situation? I could go on and on. It's Miranda Hobbs.

Starting point is 00:43:56 You're going to tell me one of the most successful lawyers, the one that had... their head on straight is the one that's like an alcoholic mess. It's like, I don't know who I am anymore. Come on. And then we didn't even get a scene between the three gals in the finale. It was like, we're spending time with these Gen Z people who were written just like, I don't know. But what about Rosie O'Donnell?

Starting point is 00:44:15 I did love Rosie. To me, that was a high. I mean, I'm a huge Rosary Donald fan. And that was the high point. To me, that was the perfect level of cringe where it was like, that was purposely funny cringe. And it worked. Her singing wicked in the alleyway to Miranda.

Starting point is 00:44:28 like that was that could have crossed the line but to me it went right up to it where it was like perfect but it was the only i think one of the few moments of the whole season that i was like this is good and tonally it was all over the place i don't know we tried the first season i was like i can't no you're smart once cha dea i will miss it i will miss it's uninteresting i know and to me i like the first couple of seasons because of the che dees of it all i think it was worse in the first two seasons but in that way it made it more fun yes this most recent season And they course corrected a little bit, but so it was still bad, but it wasn't fun.

Starting point is 00:45:02 It wasn't as fun bad. It was like, oh, this is just like boring bad. Well, the good news is you can still go back and watch old episodes of sex in the city. And like, I don't you just cleanses your palate. I know. Those original episodes you watch a million times. And I would tell anyone there have been some contrarian takes

Starting point is 00:45:18 that have come out after and just like that, of people saying, actually, it was good. You know, New York Times did something. And it was like, I would encourage any of those contrarian takes to watch an episode of been just like that more than once. because I was recapping on my show, and there was a couple that I had to watch twice because I was taking notes or whatever,

Starting point is 00:45:33 and I dare anyone to watch an episode. It gets worse. It is painful to watch it. They're 50-minute episodes. When it comes out, you have the nostalgia of, you know, the original franchise. And you were just like, all right, we're coming back, baby. You see the characters and you're like,

Starting point is 00:45:48 oh, maybe this isn't that bad. So I dare anyone who says that, and just like that wasn't that bad, to watch an episode more than once. Dare you. I roll on that one. All right. Up next, we have Sabrina Carpenter writing the lyrics, tears run down my thighs. I like that Sabrina. It's like doing the old pop star playbook and like giving us some things to talk about because no one else is.

Starting point is 00:46:09 She's being a little controversial. It's not like super controversial, but it's like I'm enjoying it. She's talented girl. I love it. Come over. You can first, second, third floor, you can come in the back door. You know, you need a pop star. If you have parents like mine were when I was a kid who are just, you know, very, like, God and things like that to, like, kind of suggest that your favorite pop star, like, might, you know, just be, like, the worst influence for you, but they're really honestly, totally fine. Like, you need a little bit of that. You need, everyone needs a little bit of that. You need a church mom to, like, not like, their music. Yeah. It's the pop star playbook,

Starting point is 00:46:47 and it's like, I, and if pop stars shouldn't play it safe. And they should cross the line a little bit. And not that that does, but I just think she's playful and fun. And at this point, now we're expecting playful lyrics like that out of Sabrina Carpenter. That's what she's been delivering. So if you're surprised by that, I am excited for the tour for this because Juno, she gave us so many. So many, so many moments. I mean, I learned so much. I know. I was like, oh, great. I'll taking notes. Try that one out. She really is like a Shakespearean Wordsmith, if you think about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so iconic. Iconic. All right. Up next. Up next. We have Karen Hugar's post-prison fit.

Starting point is 00:47:25 I'm excited for Karen Hugar's post-prison. I'm excited. I think I read a headline that maybe Andy's doing like a one-on-one with her. And there was posts that maybe she was filming when she was leaving the prison. And that excites me because I just know that mid-season trailer. It's going to be like one of the Nick Bile trailers where it's like somebody's sitting down dramatically. The mid-season one at the end of the mid-season trailer, it's going to be Karen Hugar, like, getting in that car. It's going to be so good.

Starting point is 00:47:49 And I can't wait. And, you know, she did it. her time and yeah. Icon. Hilary Duff signing to Atlantic Records to release new music. Iconic. Absolutely. I love Hillary Duff.

Starting point is 00:48:00 She's amazing. And I hope that people embrace her new music. I mean, her last, she had a couple of good songs more recently in her last music venture. And I just feel like they kind of came and went. But hopefully. Put some respect on her name. I know. Let's go back to the beginning.

Starting point is 00:48:16 She's made it through. And also, like, go back to the drawing board with the Lizzie McGuire reboot because they tried to do that and they were trying to do like an older version of it and Disney I guess pulled the plug because it was a little too older version of her. She was going to have sex and they got really scared. Yeah and it's like let Lizzie fuck. Let Lizzie

Starting point is 00:48:33 fuck. We got Hulu for that. If you don't want to put it on Disney Plus, put on Hulu and let us watch I mean we don't need to see everything but like let Lizzie fuck. Allude to it if you must. Maybe a Sabrina Carpenter song. Yeah. Could you imagine that premiere

Starting point is 00:48:48 Sabrina Carpenter playing while And then like, right when Lizzie's about to fuck, it's like the animated Lizzie comes on the screen. So we don't have to see anything. Totally. Animated Lizzie comes on. It's like, Lizzie fucks. You're hired.

Starting point is 00:49:02 There we go. Okay. I got it. Taylor's supposed to engage movie. Oh, I can't. You know, there's like these rumors that she's, I'm from Northeast Ohio and there's rumors that she like got a place that were Travis. And I'm very excited about it.

Starting point is 00:49:14 I just heard this like Shugrin Falls area. So I'm excited about that. But I'm, I like, I love Taylor. take your son to like trick or treat around the neighborhood. My husband really loves Taylor Swift and he was saying for the first time ever, it's like sort of open the door. It's like, maybe we can live in Ohio. My family's all in Ohio. I was like, maybe we can move there.

Starting point is 00:49:34 All right. Let's get into some rap and fire on these White Lotus France location reveal. I'm excited. I'm iconic. I think I had heard rumors that maybe it's going to be like a wintry season. Like if they film, I think before May, it's winter there or something. Yeah, but as and he said, he's. he, like, despises the cold.

Starting point is 00:49:52 Yeah, but so that's what I'm curious about. Like, will they do, did HBO kind of convince them to do a wintry thing? Because I would like a wintry thing. Yeah. A ski lodge. A ski lodge. A ski lodge trip. At least try it.

Starting point is 00:50:02 We'll see how it goes. Totally. Someone dies freezing in the snow. That's probably what happened. Yeah. But I just, I would like a little switch up just because visually I think we need a little. I know they do different countries and stuff, but I would like a seasonal switchup. Maybe fall, autumn.

Starting point is 00:50:16 Oh, I love an autumn. Everyone has pumpkin spice latte. Yeah. Oh, please, give it to us. Christian Girl Autumn White Lotus. I'm excited for like the rumors of an all-star White Lotus. Like, have you heard that? Like, eventually Mike White might want to do an all-star where it's like different.

Starting point is 00:50:31 That would be amazing. That would be cool. Amazing. All right. Britney Spears' Instagram account. Okay. Well, first of all, we hope everything is well with Britney. I want to know, was that, does anyone know what bathroom?

Starting point is 00:50:43 So this was a, this was an Instagram clip you're showing where she was on a date. At a sushi restaurant. She posted that she was in the bathroom. The date wasn't going well. And does anyone recognize, I was trying to think, what sushi restaurant is that bathroom? Is it not nobu? Yeah, I feel like that's nobu. It's giving.

Starting point is 00:50:57 Well, I've only been to nobu like twice. I feel like that's the, it has an aesthetic that noble would. Right. Could you imagine just like walking? Britney Spears is not going to like. Walking in to take a number one and it's like Britney's just doing the dance in there on a day. Like, could you imagine that? I'd offer to film.

Starting point is 00:51:11 I'd be like, no, let me help you. I know. I'll take care of that. We'll get a good, yeah. I'll play music. That's crazy. I mean, I hope everything's well. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:51:20 I hope everything I'm always hoping praying that this is all just a bit and she's just a genius She never really know Like it's like She comes out and she's like Ha ha got you all

Starting point is 00:51:30 Yeah And also if you are having a bad date Make the most of it Yeah and honestly Yeah Who hasn't Who amongst us hasn't been on bad date Where you go in the bathroom

Starting point is 00:51:40 Who hasn't danced in the bathroom? Yeah It's rather than crawling out the window At least she went back Yeah At least she's filming this though Do you think she just I think it's on

Starting point is 00:51:49 She's definitely put it in her she put it on the couch buddy i do i do got a little on the window right on the wall the amount of videos this girl's but now i do appreciate that it's like we're it at least doesn't feel like it's running through a social media manager yeah right she's unfeited she's being authentically herself all right we have two more gretchen claiming she never went to the hospital but also yes she did go i i roll it's like what it's be honest with us like just tell us what's i don't know we there's footage of you saying that you went to the hospital and then And there's footage of you saying you didn't go to the hospital.

Starting point is 00:52:22 And all that lie detector bullshit, I hate all the lie detectors. They need to retire lie detectors on. Have you guys some lie detectors in here? No, gone, no. They need to retire that. We're like, yeah, we do it. It was like weekly. We're like, coming in to do it for you in 10 minutes.

Starting point is 00:52:36 But who like, I mean, it's an Emily hosting it. She's an attorney. It's like, come on. What are we doing here? It's so stupid. And it also is like, what group of friends are getting together for a lie detector test? I understand we're breaking the fourth wall a little bit. but maybe we need to put that fourth wall back up because now at this point what group of friends is getting

Starting point is 00:52:54 together to have one of them surprised you with the lie detector test they're going to talk about every event that you go to with each other it's like fucking nuts you do need a special skill in housewives to be able to break the fourth wall otherwise it does need to stay up yeah they need to kind of figure something out and I think they keep trying to dip into the breaking of the fourth wall and then they don't fully go all the way but when it comes to something like this it's like now we're just watching a group of people that were cast And there's no artifice of them even being friends, much less if you're getting together and doing lie detectors house. It's like, what are we watching here?

Starting point is 00:53:26 But in Gretchen, it's like, just be honest, I don't know. She acts like she doesn't think there's cameras in like my exxon. Like, you should know whatever you say, we'll be run back. Yeah. All right. Last one. Taco Boe bringing back the Cool Ranch Doritos. I caught it.

Starting point is 00:53:42 I don't even know it's canceled. I know. I didn't realize they took them away, but they need to never. take them away. Yeah. It's kind of a Y2K thing they're doing, which is insane to me. I appreciate that all of these fast food restaurants, they're doing like these drops now, like fashion

Starting point is 00:53:57 places always have done. And so it's like we're getting all these new, they'll come out with a drink one week. They'll come out at the Y2K menu or something and that's fun. Or even like collabing with reality stars. You know, we have Taylor Frankie Paul's like drink with Taco Bell. It was good too.

Starting point is 00:54:12 It was a frozen Baja blast with like heavy cream. Where would you most want to do a collab. Like, where would you want to do, like, a, and what would it be? If you had to do a Taco Bell or like a McDonald's. Mine's Chick-fil-A, and it's making them, like, not homophobic. It's making them not homophobic. Yeah. That's the partnership. Yeah. I'm like, listen, let's work together. It's crazy. Natalie just ended homophobic. And we're on Sunday. Yay. The way Danny goes, oh, oh, a roller coaster riding. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I, yeah, because I used to love

Starting point is 00:54:46 their chicken. I know. If you make them an ally. I know. But what about you, Nick, would there be? Nick hates fast food. Or if you had, you don't like any fast food. Like if you had to put together McDonald's, you know how they do those

Starting point is 00:54:57 Clabs where it's like, that's there. It would be colors. I'm a Wisconsin kid. What would the order be? They're butterburger. Okay. But what I don't collab? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:55:05 Like, I don't know. Like in the McDonald's ones, you have to put together a meal. So it's like a double cheese. Yeah, you take one thing. Like a McChicken and a McFlurry. Well, my McDonald's order was always a big Mac with a six piece chicken nuggets and fries. That'd be the nickbile. So you put the chicken nuggets on the Big Mac.

Starting point is 00:55:20 It's called The Going Deeper. There you go. Wait, that's actually good. So good. What would yours be? Probably double cheeseburger, no mustard, or onion. I hate how they cut up their onions so small because I don't like them and you can't get them off. So true.

Starting point is 00:55:33 And then a four-piece chicken nugget, a toy. The pickle always looks really sad, too. I like the pickle, but it is sad, yes. I just don't like how you can't remove them easily. Like the pickles you can But it's like all on the meat So it's like in the meat like veins Yeah

Starting point is 00:55:51 Yeah I would do a nostalgic toy too I would like my meal would have a happy meal toy From the 90s Cute I would like that I would make them use real meat this time Yeah

Starting point is 00:56:03 Nick worked at McDonald's Did you really? For like a month How was it? I worked at a Panera once I used to steal chicken nuggets On my way back to the bathroom Nice

Starting point is 00:56:11 Love that Is there anything So you would still be able to eat there after working there. Well, when I was 15, I didn't really care. And I also feel like that was long enough ago. Maybe things have gotten better. Well, I think things have gotten worse. Like now they, you know, there's one of my, I saw a recent video where a guy like bought

Starting point is 00:56:29 like a McDonald's cheeseburger and just left it outside to see if like nature would eat it. You know, like would animals be like, this is food? And like, no one touched it. Two weeks later, mint condition. Like no squirrels, no birds. they were all like oh no no plastic can i complain about something with them really quickly uh i hate how you go in there now the one right here where we're at um nearby is doesn't have anyone working the counter anymore you have to like order at the machine computer thing and i'm like so sick

Starting point is 00:57:00 of going to these places and like not being able to talk to somebody and i don't want to tap a screen or the grocery stores it's like i don't know i wait in line at the grocery store i don't know the pOS system like i'm not trained employee like i will if most grocery stores will have like the self-checkout and like two cashiers, I'll, I'll wait in the line for the cashier. Yeah, the target only has sometimes one, if not, sometimes zero workers. And it's so frustrating. And then here in L.A., you have to pay 10 cents for the bag. And I was talking about this on my show. I said, like, that's my employee discount is the bag. Because if you're making me do the bagging and the checkout and everything, like, I deserve an employee discount. I also love it. In California, when they ask how many bags you have and you say, they're like, are you sure?

Starting point is 00:57:41 They're like double checking, like your conscience. Because of people like me who are lying. I always say zero bags. Yeah. No, I'm the first person. No, I'm not paying for a bag. If you're making me do all the work, like, why do I have to pay for the fucking bag? I mean, I'm the first person to complain and ask someone to open up another register.

Starting point is 00:57:57 I'm like, you see this line is all the way into your makeup section and this is causing traffic. You need to open up another checkout. Please, you two ladies are talking about like your boy problems, you know, like, let's get to work. And at McDonald's, it's like, I sometimes might just want to ask a question about something. Totally. I don't know. I want to talk to somebody. Have you changed how you chop up your onions? Yeah. And the POS system isn't answering. Or is the ice cream machine down or like what? I don't know. There's no comments. How's your day? Yeah. How's your day? Like just in general, it's so bleak to me now. And I only notice this because normally if I go, it's not like I go much or whatever, but it's like the drive-through if you go. But I had to go in the one day. And I was like, what is going on here at all these places? And I feel like such a boomer complaining like at the sky or yelling at the sky. It's like in the airport. It's like, please let us talk to people. It's a lot of that in the airport. Yeah, I also hate that. Yeah, let me talk to somebody.

Starting point is 00:58:47 Not that old. Well. Birthday's in a mom. When's your birthday? Who? October 9th. Okay. Are you guys good about getting older?

Starting point is 00:58:56 Are you guys good about it? I'm working on it. Nick doesn't like to talk about it. I just ignore it. Yeah. Okay. I look young. I feel young.

Starting point is 00:59:03 I'm a young dad. Right. It's all that really matters. We don't celebrate the number anymore. Yeah. I love that. Danny, this has been so much fun, man. Please come back.

Starting point is 00:59:11 So much fun. Where can people find you? My podcast is called Everything Iconic. I recap a lot of Housewives, so I'm recapping the Valley or Real House of Orange County. And my social media is at Danny Pellegrino. I have two books out to essay collections, so go check those out where we get your books.

Starting point is 00:59:27 Anywhere where you can get your book. Up next, Adriana DeMorrow from the Real Housewives of Miami joins us to talk about everything going on this season. Was it Ritchett, Ratchet, was it? Ratchet. Ratchet? Ratchet or Ratchet? See, you can't even do it.

Starting point is 00:59:41 Also, give her a mojito. Give her a mojito and Kiki. She's zooming in. Well, let's get to her. She's up next. That was great. If you're dealing with hair issues like thinning or shedding, but feel totally stuck on what to try next, I get it and I have been there. There are so many products out there, and it's hard to know exactly which ones are going to work. That's exactly why I gave Nutrafol a closer look maybe five years ago. It's not just hype. It's physician formulated, clinically tested, and even recommended by dermatologists. And let me show you, I don't know if Some of y'all are watching. Maybe some of y'all are watching.

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Starting point is 01:03:12 And we love an age gap here on the Vile Files. And so, yeah. Is he still in the picture or are you out there doing your thing? Well, no, he's no longer. He's a CEO of French company and he had to go to Paris. And he had to stay in Paris for a good six months. So that kind of the relationship didn't last, didn't survive. the long distance

Starting point is 01:03:38 out of the old and I'm a single ready to mingle but are you available? Ask my wife You can have him for a night He's pretty fun You can have him You can take him for a night

Starting point is 01:03:52 I take him back I'm flattered You're gorgeous If you don't mind me saying Ooh I'm blushing He is blushing He's like a hit on very often Because you know

Starting point is 01:04:03 No I'm just Married with a kid Marry the kid. So sorry. I feel so bad. No, not at all. This is so much fun. Who do you feel like you're closest with to the cast right now post-filming?

Starting point is 01:04:15 Lisa, Lisa and Gertie. Okay. Not Julia. No. Well, speaking of Julia, I think I speak for many fans. We were just kind of confused by her, I guess, call it reveal or announcement when it came to her adoption. Obviously, beautiful thing that she was able to do that. We're all very happy for her and her family.

Starting point is 01:04:38 But it just, it really just, it just seemed like very odd how she went about kind of like telling everyone and then revealing it to the audience. Obviously, you guys were, it seemed like close friends. Did it seem as odd or is awkward to you how she decided to go about telling everyone about this big decision in her life? Yes, it did, especially because I was. with her through the process, right? I twice signed her home studies, vouching for her and Martina.

Starting point is 01:05:10 So when you're that involved, and all of a sudden, you know, you just, you know, I don't know anything about it. I don't know the development of it. And then she just, we have this communication through some of the producers saying, you know, we're going to have, you know, an announcement that's going to be on camera. Everybody needs to log in to do Zoom call at this time. I'm like okay And something Julia has to say So then I am in Montana

Starting point is 01:05:36 Because I was at a wedding in Montana So I texted her I was like Are you okay? Is everything okay? Because then I'm concerned And she just Oh yeah yeah don't worry You're going to hear this with everybody else

Starting point is 01:05:47 It's just better you hear about this on camera So I'm thinking Well I don't know what you think of it And just felt so manipulative And just so You know Calculated the way that news I mean like supposed to be given she could have said you know you help me throughout this

Starting point is 01:06:05 process guess what I did it now we're going to tell everybody else it was a letdown you know was a letdown for me and I felt it was quite awkward yeah and did you guys ever have a conversation about you being the godmother at any point we haven't but you know I assumed that if I'm good enough to vouch for her in order for her to get the children that shouldn't be too far from, you know, of an ask, you know, and if she asked me, I'll be, I mean, I raised a boy and that happens to be an outstanding citizen, you know, a very responsible young man. So I feel like the biggest testament to your person, it's how you, well, your children do and how, you know, responsible they are. So I felt like that wouldn't be a question when it

Starting point is 01:06:59 came to that, but I guess not in her mind. What would it take for you guys to mend this relationship? I don't know. I feel like probably some time and then also, you know, some real deep conversations in which you don't have outer influence of her new found friends that are now, you know, I feel like taking her to a space. that she shouldn't be in, you know, people that are just telling her what she wants to hear instead of telling her, you know, how things really are. Do you feel like the other women have pushed a wedge between you and Julia? Like, where is your friendship at today? Right now, we really don't have a

Starting point is 01:07:47 friendship. Do you feel like her feud with Gertie was orchestrated? I have my suspicions. I feel like, sorry, my dog wants to come into the table. Oh, the baby. He's like, he's like. like in my lap like asking me for I feel like yes there were some influence I feel like that was a conversation that was had that was something that was you know literally orchestrated

Starting point is 01:08:11 there's also someone that is the master manipulated that works in the shadows and never shows hands and she's very cunning in that sense that she'll use people a little less bright

Starting point is 01:08:25 that can see through to then deliver you know, her. Who would you say that would be if you had a guess? Who was a little dimmer? I would guess Marisol. Wow. Is that why you hate her so much?

Starting point is 01:08:41 I don't hate Marisol. You know, I just... Pity her? I'm mostly disappointed and hurt by her. And I don't hate her. I feel like in the last episode, Stephanie, maybe it was the teaser, but Stephanie was kind of saying that she's starting to suspect that Marisol is behind a lot of, like, the tension between her and Alexia.

Starting point is 01:08:58 How are you and Stephanie and have you guys talked about Marisol at all or like got it on the same page? Yeah. So obviously I think things are starting to be revealed now where Marisol, Alexia kind of says the intention or the reason why, the real reason why they didn't want to get in that plane was because Stephanie had gone out to lunch with me. So to me, that whole series of the reason why we don't want to go to your plane is because you're bossy or the sitting or the this or the that. That's not the truth. The truth is Marisol wanted to punish Stephanie for going to lunch with me because Marisol has since the get-go trying to ask me from the group and ice me out, beginning with her, you know, party for her wedding. I wasn't invited. right and then you know everything happened but so she was trying to teach

Starting point is 01:09:58 Stephanie a lesson by saying you're not going to play by my rules I am going to teach you a lesson and that was the lesson do you feel like Stephanie is trying to impress people with her jet you know it's so funny Stephanie is not like that like the countless times that I've been together with her in real life she's actually very humble and very focused on her work she's not always flaunting and mentioning her things. Her things are there because they are there, but she's not really talking about it. Do you think it's more of a projection from the people who don't have what Stephanie has, almost like, you know, putting that idea out there that she is kind of leading with the jet rather than, you know, is actually coming from

Starting point is 01:10:42 Stephanie? Yes. I feel like Stephanie's secure enough in herself and her, you know, professional accomplishments that she doesn't need to rely on her material things. But yes, she's sarcastic and something I actually appreciate on somebody. If you are smart and sarcastic, I'm right down there with you, you know. So I feel like some people just don't get, don't get her, don't get her sense of humor. Because she truly does not flaunt her things in real life, in real life conversations. When cameras aren't rolling, that's not her. Love that behind the scenes.

Starting point is 01:11:13 How are you in Kiki and have you guys been able to clear up the whole ratchet or ratchet mess up? Debuckle. whatever we call it we have you have we had had on camera and off camera conversations where I did apologize I said if it's wretched with a WRE the man the way I intended the whole intention bit bit okay let's go back the backstory the few guys are interested I'm not just a little bit on the backstage of the whole thing right so we're in Spain we're going to the Al-Qasar and we're having a great time

Starting point is 01:11:56 I am giving the girls some history lesson on art history and architecture everybody seems entertained and happy except Kiki's so she's not being herself she's being unhappy but she wouldn't say why later on when we get out of the vans to go to the dinner

Starting point is 01:12:15 the first person that comes out of two separate vans Kiki is in one band with some of the girls and I was in the other van with some other girls and then the first person that comes out of Kiki's van is Julia and she runs to me and says Oh Kiki was trying to pick a fight with me inside the van Saying that why did I check on her all day

Starting point is 01:12:37 Because she wasn't happy that the girls The other girls went on through their daily activities Without inviting Kiki or checking on her So she was in her feelings about that And I said, okay, fine. We go on to sit with this long rectangular table. And Julia and I sit across from each other in one end. And then people proceeded to sit themselves just as they arrive.

Starting point is 01:13:06 And then so Kiki is on the other end. And then there's Alexia next to her. So after everybody's seated, Kiki started, Alexia, why have your back turn to me? Julia, you know, why are you sitting on the other end so far away from me? Then Marisol goes, Kiki, stop your theatrics. Because Kiki was just going around the table, trying to pick a fight with somebody because she wasn't happy. And then finally, when she got to me and I was in the middle of this conversation, that's when I said, you know, why you're so wretched, meaning why you're so miserable. We're in this beautiful place and this beautiful restaurant is the last supper, you know, in Spain.

Starting point is 01:13:45 can we just enjoy this moment and leave a tender moment alone? That was the sentiment. Of course, that escalated. But the truth is, I regret saying that word because it has a double connotation, which I definitely not intended. And if it's retro with an R or this slang-derived version of our, you know, the colloquial term, they're both pejorative.

Starting point is 01:14:18 So I shouldn't I use the word. And I regret saying the word. And I apologize to Kiki. And, you know, I'll again formally say, I regret using the word. You know, no taking lesson learned. I'll not use the word again. Well, thanks for Klan Lama.

Starting point is 01:14:34 I feel like it makes a lot of sense to us. And I'm glad that it also, it seems like you and Kiki are in a good place. So, and I think that's what matters most. Yes, Kiki and I are in a good place. You know, she has apologized and I have apologized and we're all okay. Now, interestingly, going back to people manipulating and cunning and fabricating things that continue to push stories that don't belong to them is at the finale, you're going to see

Starting point is 01:15:00 a big development of this story on someone that would not let the bone go and continues to push this when the things have been squashed already. So that's what's interesting. Then you're going to have a big moment where you're going to have a big moment where you're You're going to see how people, some people actually work and how their best work comes out of the shadows into the light. Does that involve the kiki blocking gertie of it all? No.

Starting point is 01:15:26 No, there's more. Yeah, there's more. What does it rhyme with? Yeah. Julia, Misa. We'll get there eventually. Yeah, you know, we appreciate you giving us that much. Do you think Lisa was overreacting by not unfollowing?

Starting point is 01:15:45 Well, that was more of a sense of Lisa doesn't like to be told what to do. She didn't realize that maybe it wasn't the best move, not to unfollow, but until we had a conversation, again, at the Alcazar, and when she asked me for my opinion, and because Lisa and I have a long history, you know, like since season two, and when I explained to her my side, how I felt it and how I see it, that she was more of a detriment to her to not unfollow than to unfollow. Then she understood.

Starting point is 01:16:17 And she said, you know, that's her. She just didn't want it to be told, you know, to be bossed around by Larsa. That was the point that she was trying to make. What is your opinion on Jodi? I like Jody. You do? And him texting Larsa, did that bug you as much as it seemed to kind of bug the other women? Well, I never like guys kind of meddling into the girls' conversations because that is just like a couple.

Starting point is 01:16:40 You know, when a couple has an argument, if a friend tries to meddle into that, you know, the couple is going to make up and then the friend's going to be the bad guy, right? So I feel like guys in that context should not try to interfere one way or another. However, they were friends in the sense that they did socialize a lot. So two couples, right? And they did exchange numbers and they had that kind of intimate relationship where they did text each other. So, you know, it probably wasn't the best thing to do, but they did it anyway. And yeah. I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Starting point is 01:17:20 But for me, like, watching Larsa and Lisa go at it at the dinner table while Lisa is trying to deal with, like, legal papers and all that stuff. Is there more to the story or was like all of that vitriol solely based off of unfollowing her ex-boyfriend? Because it just kind of seemed like that was a pretty brutal way to talk to someone. I feel like there's more to the story than that. right? I feel like it's not just that, but I feel like she's hanging on to that one because that's the one thing that people can see. Know about. I'm sorry, my thing keeps falling off. You just have little ears. I do. You're just so little. Literally. But I have big boobs to make up for them. Hey! Can't relate. You got to compensate somehow. And I hear guys prefer

Starting point is 01:18:08 playing with boobs and ears, so that's why. Totally. I've heard that too. Yeah. But, um, just playing with them ears. Yeah, I don't know. I think they had a big, you know, friendship, and there's a lot involved, and I think they're both upset.

Starting point is 01:18:26 And to me, it was just, it was just deeper than that, you know. It's just deeper than that, you know. How is your master's going over at Harvard? Great. I'm already in my last semester and graduate next spring. So, working hard. We love that. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:18:44 One of our executive producers here, Justin, he's also a art history major. Yeah, I studied art history. Wow. So, I mean, my take on Miami is you're one of the wisest people because you've been there since season one, but also, like, watching your little history lessons. I think we need it. Thank you. Little culture doesn't hurt anyone, right? That's right.

Starting point is 01:19:04 How did you feel about, was it Marisol saying that she also had a Harvard sweatswe? shirt. Yeah, from the airport. From the airport. Well, you know, that's a, that's a dis, the perennial, you know, dislike of her. It makes me just wonder why does she dislike me so much, is it? Because she can't do what I do, you know? You know, haters, you know. Yeah. I guess, you know, like, if somebody's, if somebody's not hating you, you're not doing something, you know, positive or, you know, big enough, right? If you don't have haters, that means you're not succeeding. people don't hate people who are less successful than them you know how do you like being a friend of do you miss being an original housewife or do you think the friend of is kind of a better gig there's pros and cons you know to to either there's less pressure but I still feel like I produce just as a full time so I don't feel like my impact on the show is lesser so you know yeah it's fine Outside of, you speak one, two, three, four, five different languages.

Starting point is 01:20:13 Is that correct? Yes. Outside of the language that you learned growing up with, what's the most fun language to speak? Italian. Yeah, I love Italian because I was born and raised in Brazil. So Portuguese is my native language. Then I learned English because in my school we have English. Then later I learned Spanish and then French and then Italian.

Starting point is 01:20:37 when I studied and lived abroad in Italy, studying art, you know. But I had already my that's how the family came from Venice. So I already had Italian in my family. So to me, like the language that I feel closer to after Portuguese is Italian because it's close to home. Beautiful. How do you feel like the vibe of the Royal Housewives of Miami has changed over the years? I feel like we have somewhat evolved with time. times where we, I feel like the younger generation, like you guys, are impacting the way shows

Starting point is 01:21:15 are now being done. I think we were a lot more cutthroat before. And now we have to be kind kinder and nicer. That's interesting. That is interesting. Yeah. Do you, like, in what way do you feel like the younger generation is, like, can you give us an example of what you feel like? I feel there's last prejudice that is accepted, you know, that has been since, you know, the technological revolution that created more of a diversity acceptance where the whole world could chime in. Like, when you say something nowadays, for example, I was just in Brazil visiting my mother. So I'm having breakfast with my mom in San Paulo in a hotel and somebody comes up to me and says, oh my God, are you Adriana?

Starting point is 01:22:01 And I'm like, yes. And my mom, you know, she's at 80. She doesn't even know what I do and doesn't understand anything. And she's like, why is this lady coming to you? I was like, she's a fan. And she's from Canada in Brazil.

Starting point is 01:22:16 So, and she's of a younger generation as well. So I feel like the globalization, the diversification of the fan base, several movements that occurred in the past decade, for example, like, you know, the me movements and other things, does, you know, did affect and still affects the way we should relate to each other and respect to each other and are less, you know, acceptable of things that in the past

Starting point is 01:22:48 people just think it's okay, you know? So smart. Mm-hmm. Love it. Any more questions for our girl? I want to know what's coming up. Like, what's left of the rest of the season? Well, there's some big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big bomb.

Starting point is 01:23:03 that are going to explode. The finale is going to be big. Are you setting them off? Are you helping them, helping diffuse them? My God, both. The way it was very little with me on the first half of this season,

Starting point is 01:23:17 but this end of the season, I come in and I'm like, you know, bigger than I don't know what. Like, it's a hurricane, Adriana, I suppose, even though I don't like to refer to me on the third person, but I think it is so, you know,

Starting point is 01:23:32 tacky to do that. But I have new songs. You know, the finale, I'm going to sing again. I'm going to drop some new songs. And I actually have one that was written by this little for this little guy here. Multi-touch. Wow. Inspiration.

Starting point is 01:23:48 Yeah. So there's new songs and there's new revelations continuously being attacked by some people that can't let go of things. Like I said, you know, beefs that have been. washed up, but they continue to bring it up and just have to, you as a fan just have to ask yourselves why, what is the point of that? And then the reunion comes and the reunion is just bombastic. That's going to be something. Well, Adriana DeMara, thank you so much for gracing us with your presence. It was an absolute pleasure. Please come back. Good luck the rest of the way and at the reunion. We're absolutely rooting for you. Excited to hear this new music you got coming out

Starting point is 01:24:31 as well and all the best and hopefully we'll get to see you again thank you i'd love to thank you guys thank you so much all right well that will do it for us today congratulations again to taylor frankie paul i'm being our next bachelorette super excited about that thank you to all our guest danny pelegrino and adriana demora we have a big week lined up for you next week including a special going deeper with Jesse James Decker and her husband Eric Decker who are on this season of special forces. They've also been around. They have, you know, some great music. Eric's a former professional football player. A very fascinating couple. Excited to talk with them and so much more coming at you. Always good to see you, Susie. Glad to be here. Thanks for having me.

Starting point is 01:25:21 And the rest of the household also says goodbye. We'll see you next week. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. You know,

The Viall Files - E998 - Taylor Frankie Paul Is The Next Bachelorette, Danny Pellegrino Talks Icons/Bravo, RHOM w/ Adriana

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