The Viall Files - Ep958 - Love Island USA’s Hannah, Paul Scheer, The Valley, Love Island Dumpings, and McBee Dynasty

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. And boy, everyone in America is pissed at the producers of Love Island. We will definitely get into it. So much to talk about. We have a very special guest. Paul Scheer returns the Vile Files.

He was on long time ago during COVID. Actor, comedian, been on many shows, starred in the show The League, very popular show, a very funny guy. He's watching Love Island. He's also very deep into the Karen Reed case the Sherry Papini case We'll talk about some true crime and the true crime that is the Love Island producers right now coming up shortly Lots to get into obviously many of you have already heard the Jeremiah going deeper episode if you are living under a rock It is out yesterday. Check it out. Sadly, my wife Nellie was not there

Obviously things move fast in Love Island. She was on a business trip. She was guest starring on The Toast, and I, as a husband of my wife Nally, was very proud of my wife. I think we're the best show in town, but I have mad respect for the women of The Toast. They are OGs, they've been crushing the podcast game

long before I even started. And I think it's, I'm very flattered and I think it's very cool that my wife was asked to host the toast, I thought it was pretty amazing. So if you haven't heard that, check it out, go listen to it. But sadly, she couldn't join us for the Jeremiah episode. I hope I handled myself well without her. But did you have fun talking with Jackie?

I did, I had fun. I was very nervous, very anxious going into it. I know the toasters, they have high expectations and they can be a little opinionated. It's a very organized and very passionate audience. Yeah. But it's Claudia and Jackie, they have their dynamic. They have their dynamic.

So I was very nervous stepping in, especially stepping into the shoes of Claudia, like big, big, big shoes to like try to even come close to filling, but I had so much fun. Jackie is such a sweetheart. And I feel like my ability to not do math has bitten me in the ass because she was like, oh, you and Nick have an age gap.

And I'm like, yeah, 18 years. She's like, so how old are you? And you met him. I'm like 21. She's like, how old was Nick? And I'm like, yeah, 18 years. She's like, so how old are you when you met him? I'm like, 21. She's like, how old was Nick? And I'm like, fast math, like how fucking dare you, first of all. So like, that's rude.

Give me a second to calculate it. I'm like, he was 37. I think, I think followed the 37. And now everyone's like, well, if I do the math, that means you were 19 years old. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know I was 21. I was present in my body currently in that time period.

So I do know that I was 21 years old. Now, Nick. Nali, when Nali uses her fingers to do simple addition, just to like, not to call out my wife, but like, it's, it's. How do you count? Yeah, no, I don't. I go point her finger as one. You know, if she needs to add three to four,

she's using fingers. Yeah, I'm like three, four, okay, perfect. Wait, I go point her finger as one. You know, if she needs to add three to four, she's using fingers. Yeah, I'm like three, four, okay, perfect. Wait, was that two? You might as well. That's what they're there for. Literally, they're there for a reason, you might as well use them. They are called digits.

Yeah, they are called digits. Yeah, no, anyway, so Nick, he was not 37, he was 38, and then a couple weeks later turned 39. Read that right before my birthday. Yes, now that I have had a moment to think about it and do the math calculations properly. Who gives a fuck? Honestly, we're married with a child.

We almost had two more children. It just is, we have it as a child. Now we just guest hosted on the toast, which most of you couldn't even handle that kind of pressure. She was also performing surgeries when I met her. Thanks, baby. Suck it, baby. Oh my God.

But it's just like, you know, you get caught up in the moment, the math was not, you know, I was put on the spot, I didn't, I don't, yeah. So, but other than that, I do believe it was a very great experience. I am very sad to have missed Jeremiah because I did want to see his face in front of my face. He's a very beautiful man.

He's handsome. It's breathtaking. And I was really impressed. I mean, I think America loves him right now. Everyone feels he got screwed over. But go listen to the episode. But I really, I wasn't drilling him with questions, but like he's well-spoken He's thoughtful. He's considerate. He's got a face that could allow him to take advantage of

You know of life, and he seems to be very conscious and wanting to hold himself accountable I don't know Maybe you guys will think differently check out the episode if you haven't already Share your thoughts obviously in the comments of what you thought. We won't be reading them anyways. But like comment away, like have some discourse. Well I won't, I don't read the comments. Also joining us this episode, Hannah from Love Island joins us to talk about her exit

and everything she experienced at the villa. Any big headline? Katy Perry and Orlando Bloom broke up. Guess he couldn't get over the space trip. Are we surprised? No one saw that coming. Oh my God. Wait, I think it was get over the space trip. Are we surprised? No one saw that coming. Oh my God. Wait, I think it was less of the space trip and more of like the farting and shitting on stage.

She farts and shits on stage. Wait, what? She has a whole like toilet with like poop coming out of it and then she like. Excuse me? Yeah. Honestly, clips from that tour is the most bizarre thing ever that I've ever guessed.

I could see how one gets to the crunch. That's true. She like opens her legs and drops things can't be no legs it's like a big poop it's like a puppet poop a puppet poop yeah yeah there's a big there's a big toilet on a stage turd with the that comes out it's like a puppet poop. Is this like a prop or she literally shits? No, it's a puppet. No, she's sitting on like the rolls of toilet paper. And like there's a giant toilet next to her with a giant puppet turd coming out with a face. What a goofy gal. Did you see like his morning meditations

and his seances where it was like, at least she doesn't have to hear this anymore? Everyone has their quirks, you know, two beautiful people, I'm sure they'll both be fine. We wish them nothing but the best. Right. Yeah. The Red Lobster's got a big comeback.

Never been. I'm excited about this. See. Red Lobster? Maybe I'll come back for the first time. I don't know. Wait. What?

Didn't Flavor Flav save it? Flavor Flav, yeah. Well, Flavor Flav, when they first filed for bankruptcy, was the first to be like, this cannot happen. And it seems like the Darden family, they own, I believe, Red Lobster. I only know that because as an employee of the Olive Garden in college,

I had to watch like about the Olive Garden company. And I learned that Red Lobster and Olive Garden. Your training video? Yeah, it was like, yeah. Were you a waiter? You were a waiter, right? I was, yeah. Nick, if you go to Red Lobster,

I already know you're gonna be obsessed with the biscuits. No, they literally make them. Nick's gonna be the one asking for more. They're in the freezer section at the grocery store. We don't need to save Red Lobster for the biscuits. No, but the fresh ones. We buy them at the grocery store. The fresh ones.

I used to always fight with the assistant manager at the Olive Garden because the rule of thumb for the unlimited breadsticks was, if it was a four top, you give them five breadsticks. Like how many people you have plus one more. And I would just be like, here's nine breadsticks was if it was a four top, you give them five breadsticks. Like how many people you have plus one more. And I would just be like, here's nine breadsticks. I don't know, just eat the fucking bread. It's unlimited, like, you know, and he would constantly

scold me that I was giving away too much bread and I never listened. You said it's unlimited, they're just gonna ask for more anyways? Yeah, it's unlimited, man. Like, what are we doing here? Five is not unlimited. So what Like, what are we doing here? Five? It's not unlimited.

So what is Red Lobster's big comeback? They hired the former CEO of PF Chang's, who like is like 35 years old. It's like some boy genius anyways. Whoa. What is the big comeback of Red Lobster? That they're offering now seafood boil bags, which love those,

sangria flights and $5 drinks hit the menu. So they're just, they're, they're, they're, they're giving what the people are asking for. The boil bag I want. The boil bag we're looking for. I think they're just trying to like- You can get that on Amazon. What? You can get a boil bag on Amazon.

You can get a boil bag on Amazon. Yes you can. No, it's like, like a seafood boil, like where they put like lobster and shrimp and potatoes. Shrimp, potatoes, corn, spices, cajun. Justin and I are going on a date. I've never had it, but I want it. Yeah. Good luck.

Wish I hope y'all return. I don't know. I don't, I don't. The only restaurant like that that I fuck with is Sizzler. Oh, Sizzler is good though. But they have like a $7 steak. But the cheese toast? No.

Yeah, you just left some A1 steak sauce. I love A1 steak sauce, but as a steak snob, like if you're cooking a $7 steak. But the cheese toast? No. Yeah, you just left some A1 steak sauce on. That's the only, like I love A1 steak sauce, but as a steak snob, like if you're cooking a good enough steak, you don't put steak sauce on it. But like, so like Sizzler is my excuse to like have A1 sauce. Who's gonna say, we all have our gross things and let lobster be ours and Sizzler can be yours.

Well, Justin Baldoni is not revising his claims against Blake Lively after the $400 million lawsuit was dismissed, even though his lawyer came out guns blazing, being like, well, we can still file. And all the Justin stans were like, no, no, no, this doesn't mean anything. He can still file. Well, it turns out because they don't have a case at all, they're actually not going to refile.

And I feel like the truth is starting to reveal itself. This is all just a PR stunt to like just, you know, beat down Blake lively in her team. But we'll see. Uh, I think it goes to court, uh, in early, uh, 2026, but, um, yeah, looks like he won't be, uh, refiling that, uh, when I believe to be a bullshit retaliation move, but hey, I guess we'll see. I mean, on the topic of Blake Lively, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce made their red carpet debut at the opening night of his tight end university.

Which, is this the first time they've been on a red carpet together? They had a red carpet for tight end university? Has that really, it's really become an event. It's meant to be like they'd bring all like the Titans from around the league to like mentor them, coach them up. Like it was like a- Well, it was held at Jason Aldean's bar in Nashville.

The red carpet I imagine is like a backdrop. There is a red carpet. It's not like a stereotypical Hollywood red carpet, but the carpet's red. I'm just like, do they need to make a red carpet. It's not like a stereotypical Hollywood red carpet, but the carpet's red. I'm just like, do they need to make a red carpet debut when they made out in the middle of the stadium after he won the Super Bowl? I feel like that would take precedence. I guess it's just the first time they're on a red carpet together. Just standing on it. For a gala or something. I mean, it's the same thing with Timothy and Kylie. They were seen at every event together, kissing and stands

and doing this and that. And then the second they like walked the red carpet together it was like, oh my God, they're actually a couple. It's like, y'all didn't get that from like them making out watching a tennis match, like what? The last like three years. What was the first red carpet that you guys were on together? Was it the MTV?

MTV, yeah. What was Natalie's debut? It was the MTV. Unscripted awards, hosted by Nikki Glaser? MTV, yeah. What was Natalie's debut? It was the MTV. Unscripted awards hosted by Nikki Glaser. Yeah, yeah. It's when I sat at the same table as Snooki and J-Woww and was like freaking the fuck out. Natalie, it was like her armpits were sweating.

She was so nervous that she met the cast of Jersey Shore. And I was like, really? Like no disrespect to that iconic group of people. I just, I didn't watch it back in the day. So I wasn't as excited, but Natalie was losing her goddamn mind. And I remember Nick was like, he like stepped away from me

so that they could take solo shots and all the paparazzi was kind of giving what they did to James Charles where no one was really clicking. They were just like waiting for me to move along the carpet, you know? Little did they know. Little did they know.

That she'd be hosting the toast. We'd get married. And have a baby and have a toast. Just squirrely. You know, I'm telling you guys, you know, watch out. Nali's on her path to be a big, big star. So I can just. I honestly am scared. It just means more haters and like,

I just can't take it, you know? When you are a big star and people come to an event of yours, are you gonna ignore them or are you gonna pay attention to your fans? I mean, I would hope that I would pay attention to my fans I believe you're talking about Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell. Here's the thing speaking about my if you've if you've Saw me in the wild like I really got in my way. I really I hope I have good reactions Nellie I've always been aware of this,

but my resting gaze is unflattering. My resting bitch face is terrible. No, your resting bitch face is what it is. It is a resting bitch face. It doesn't have to be terrible. Even when I talk, Natalie says I look grumpy. I have a grumpy demeanor. Sometimes we'll be out in public and I'm like,

you look like you actually fucking hate my guts. So I need you to just walk around smiling ear to ear. Introverted demeanor. I'm just like, I'm not, I'm a judgy person. Anyway, like there's a reason why the Vile Files hasn't gone on the road. And this is a reason why I don't do meet and greets. And someday I hope that we do like some kind of like live event.

And when I do, I will be amped up and ready to fucking go. But what I don't do is shit I know that I'm not naturally good at. And it's just like, just don't do this shit. And for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell, they did an autograph session where they sat at a table and fans came up, took pictures, yada yada.

And usually when I wrote my book and I did a book signing, you wanna have a small conversation, even if it's like 15 seconds with each person, ask me a few questions, try to get to know them, personalize the interaction, and then take a picture. Apparently, Miley and Naomi were just talking with each other, signing the books, and just not even interacting with the fans,

which is obviously is gonna come across a certain way. And listen, I get it. There's a lot of celebrities out there who are introverted, who are anxious, and are not good at social interactions, because listen, fans can be kind of weird, and they can ask uncomfortable questions. But don't do that shit if you're not good at it.

You don't need the money. I feel like Miley Cyrus would be good at it. That's why I'm a little shocked by this. And maybe she just hadn't seen Naomi Campbell in a while. And she was like, oh my God, we have so much to catch up on. Yeah, maybe she's just caught up at the moment. They realized that they should have gotten

maybe a dinner beforehand or like a coffee beforehand to catch up and get that out of the way. I do think Miley though, care, like you remember when she just had her thing where people bought tickets to see her speak at a panel, but they thought that they were buying concert tickets and then they were like heckling her and begging her to sing some of her songs.

And then she like, she did, like she sang the crime. I'm team Miley there. I think that was whoever was on the event, their fault. I think. No, but to Leia's point that does prove that like she, she's not that type of soul. She cares about her fans. She does care.

Yeah. Like if that were me, I would have been like, I'm not singing. Like y'all came to a talking panel. I haven't done my like voice exercises. I'm not prepared, you know? But Miley was like, you know what, I'll give it to you. And she gave them what, the climb?

Like she didn't just give them a we can't stop, she gave them the climb icon. Right, right, the best one. Is this story coming from like the 10 second video? Well, she like seemingly has spoken out about the backlash. She said, she added a photo of herself with Naomi and like a bunch of videos of like them signing vinyls. She's like, loved catching up with you last night girl,

let's do it again. Yeah, she wrote, our vinyl was originally set to drop a week later, but since we were both in London, Rough Trade East made it happen day of, her caption began, I wanted to gift my Smilers an exclusive experience, an unreleased vinyl to thank you for the love you've shown me in the UK over the years.

I saw so many familiar faces and met some sweet new ones. Is this story originating from like a 10 second clip or are there multiple accounts of like them ignoring fans for the entire length of this event? I only saw one video. So this could be coming from one salty fan. She's saying that the record store requested no photos due to the unexpected last minute turnout.

That makes sense. Okay, so the one person, Miley like turned to Naomi and was like, hey girl, you have like a little spinach in your tooth. And then they were talking about how she has a spinach in her tooth. And then it was one fan. Yeah, I changed my mind.

I apologize for any of the criticism or anything I said that's felt like criticism. talking about how she has a spinach in her tooth. And then it was one fan. It was one fan. I changed my mind. I apologize for any of the criticism or anything I said that's felt like criticism. I feel like this is a handful of fans' salty interaction. Yeah, it's in one particularly awkward clip from her live stream. One particular, yeah, okay. We shouldn't have even talked about it, honestly.

We gave him air we didn't need to give. Sorry, Miley. I wish I had that back. Paul's here. Let's bring in Paul. Share, let's get into what many of you are here to talk about, to prevent, to share your frustrations. Talk a little Love Island.

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Thanks for having me. Thanks for being there. Sorry we couldn't be there in person. We are off site, but thanks for coming in. It's great to talk to you again virtually. We're excited to get into everything we're about to talk about, but I just want to check in with you.

Like how's life? How have you been? I've been good. It's so funny. I feel like I saw you for such a long time in a short period of time, but then it's been a while since I've seen you and still not seeing you in person, but yeah, things are good.

You know, I got kids, work is good. I'm right now solo dadding because my wife has been away shooting a show. So that has been intense and great. And I was actually gonna bring that up. Natalie took a work trip the other, you know, this and great. And I was actually gonna bring that up. Nally took a work trip the other, you know, this past two days, and I was solo-dadding

for only 48 hours. Shout out to the single parents out there. Oh my God, I have such, I mean, look, I grew up, my parents were divorced, I had a mom and a dad that were both taking turns, but man oh man, I always have respect. But once you do it, I've been doing it since March. It is intense.

Yeah, it's a- Wow, since March. March, my wife does it all in a bunch. You love your kids and all, but like, you just, you can't, when they're up, you can't like really focus on anything else. No, you are just full in. It's like, it's, when you have a kid,

your like, your anxiety is always going to be a little bit like raised because you have to be responsible for another human being. And then when you are solo parenting, it never drops. Like there are moments where I'm like, oh, if I sleep in, June will get this, but there's no other person looking out. So I feel like my anxiety is so high. So once she comes home, I like, it just like, I feel like I've been hit by a Mack truck. I'm like, oh my God, for the first time I can relax.

When June gets back, are you are you going to be like, all right, I need to check out for like 48 hours and get some me time or? No, I can't do that. But. But like, but yeah, I mean, I just, yeah. But, but here's the thing. When she's home, I'm also excited because we have the family back together and it's great to have the family back together.

But yeah, no, there's no, there's no like, now I gotta check out. Yeah. No golf tip. Oh no. Danny left for a week and when he got back, I was like, I am not changing a diaper for the next 24 hours.

I am not waking up. I'm not doing anything. Like this kid is yours. You see June is really good because she definitely lets me sleep in when she gets back, which is that, you know, and by the way, sleeping in now, as we all know. It's 6.30.

Yeah, exactly. Right. It's like, like somebody asked me how my day was. I'm like, my day is, it's 9 a.m. right now. I'm like, I've been up, I've done stuff. Life has happened. And to remember when life hasn't happened before 9 a.m., it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's really crazy. I took River to the grocery store yesterday to try to get some groceries before Nellie got back. And River decided that she did not want to ride in the grocery cart. And I had to carry her the entire time. And it wasn't like a little fit. It was a screaming if I put her in the cart. And like when you have a screaming child

in a public area, you're like, please stop screaming. I'm a good parent. Like, please stop. Yeah. I mean, a lot of my work is just convincing people in public that I am a good parent. Because- Have you had your kids come home and you realized they learned about a topic from a friend that you were not prepared for them to learn?

Oh yeah, I mean, my son came home from school this year. He sat me down and he was like, dad, can I talk to you about something? And I was like, yeah, sure. And he's like, you wanna sit down with me? So I was like, oh, okay, yeah. And I was like, sure. And he's like, you wanna sit down for this. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah. And I was like, okay.

And he's like, do you know about the Holocaust? And I go, yeah. He goes, pretty rough. I was like, yeah. But my son is trying to teach me about the Holocaust. And I was like, and that was intense. I was like, okay, yeah. So he's always dropping stuff on me.

He's bringing a lot of heat. And then, you know, nothing, he's only 11 and the other one's eight. So nothing overtly like sexual. Every now and then he might say, well, actually he did say this. He goes, what's 69 mean? Oh no.

And that I really avoided. I just said it's a sexual position. It's a number before 70. Yeah, he knew it was something with sex. So I have to like address that it is sex, but I think his knowledge of what sex is is also vague. So I just try to keep it vague. Everything is vague.

Have you had the birds and the bees conversation with him yet, or does that come later? No, you know, my wife is actually amazing because I think that she was very open about saying, when you have a question, we will talk about it. And my want is to do that. It's always a little bit uncomfortable, but it actually has been really great

because she will just go there. And it's kind of like, I'm sharing with you information and here it is. Yeah, it's neutral. And I feel like because of that, we've opened ourselves up to a lot more conversations. They're aware of things, but they're not deeply aware of it.

And they know to come to us with questions. My wife was like, you need to talk to him about pornography and how if he wants to watch it, where he can watch it, and we have to do ethically sourced. And I was like, I don't even know how to find ethically sourced. I mean, I was like, now I'm doing research on how to find ethically sourced. And I was like, I don't even know how to find ethically sourced.

I mean, I was like, now I'm doing research on how to find ethically sourced porn. And she's like, it was easier for you back in your day. You could have magazines now. So like, so we're trying to have these conversations. We're just trying to be prepared. We want to be parents that actually- Like biblical sacno, how do you-

I'm trying to figure it out. It's not like going to Whole Foods. Kohl, sec, no, how do you? I'm trying to figure it out. It's not like going to Whole Foods. Yeah, you know, it's like. Like this is all my search history. Yeah. Then your wife's like, what the fuck were you doing? And you're like, no, no, I was showing him. Research, I promise it was research.

Yeah, so it's like, it is a constant, I love, I love having kids. It's a constant battle of just being hit with things and you wanna be a good parent that leads, my parents never talked to me about sex, my parents never talked to me about anything like that. So you wanna be open. It's just like, when it comes to you,

you are never fully prepared. You just aren't. But it is fun because I feel like once they know that they can talk to you, then it feels like hopefully that relationship will stay and they can have an open door. You know, I don't think that my parents even know that I have had sex yet. You know?

Oh, I hope not. I just had a kid, but I'm still hoping that they're not immaculate conception. Exactly. Thank you. And if they know we had sex because we have a kid, it's only for the purposes of children. It's not for enjoyment.

Like I definitely do not have sex to enjoy it. Procreation only. Procreation, not recreation. Exactly. Paul, you recently wrote a commercial for some prominent reality TV stars. Was it for Taco Bell? Am I remembering that correctly?

It's for Dunkin' Donuts. Dunkin' Donuts, sorry. Dunkin' Donuts, yes. Dunkin' Donuts, there was a commercial we did called, it was basically a more than a snack. So it had like James Marsden, Charles Melton, Dylan Efron, and Tramell Tillman. Yeah, so it was a hot commercial.

Incredible cast. It was insane. Yeah, so we did this commercial where these guys are, they're more than just hot guys, which is very similar to Dunkin' Donuts $5 meal deal, which is more than a snack. Yes, wow. I'm sold.

Listen, all you had to say to me was Dunkin' Donuts. Still an Efron. And James Mars. I mean, they're the most attractive guys I've ever seen on set. I mean, you know, and when you're looking at them, you see everybody on set just like losing their minds because these are people that are so attractive

that the men, the women, every, every, children, cars are stopping on the side of the road. It is, it is a nonstop thing. Natalie, not too long ago, I was like, I'm gonna get back working out. We had Dylan on the show not too long ago. And then one day she sends me a text

of this shirtless photo of Dylan. Looking great, by the way. Yeah, I accidentally screenshot it. And it was this kind of like. I accidentally made it my wallpaper by accident. Well, I met Natalie at 30, whatever. And she's seen photographs of when I was real jacked. And I'm still in decent shape, but I just like don't have the time anymore. So she feels a little screwed over. photographs of when I was real jacked. And I'm still in decent shape,

but I just don't have the time anymore. So she feels a little screwed over. Like she didn't really get my best stuff, but she sent me a Dylan inspo photo. It got me grinding. I'm here to help. Dylan can spend that time in the gym. We're talking about, we're dads now, right?

We can't get in the gym that much. My wife likes my body for what it is and she gives me a lot of crap when I get too skinny. So she's never really pushing me. I am the same way. Yeah, really? Okay, see? So yeah, there was a time where I was losing too much weight

when I was on Black Monday, I had to learn how to rollerblade and I had to be shirtless. And that was tricky for me because I'm leaving the shirts off to the people who are doing the work. My shirt off isn't gonna impress anybody, but I knew there was no greater motivator to be in shape than knowing that your shirt was coming off. And that was the hardest I worked in.

And I felt so good about my body. And I was like, here I am. And my wife's like, you're too skinny. And I was like, no, the one moment where I'm in. Let me have this moment of being in shape. Yeah, so she has not sent me those pictures, but every now and then we'll be watching, you know, some reality show and she'll say something about, you every now and then we'll be watching some reality show

and she'll say something about whether it's a person on a reality show or whether it's an athlete. Like a lot of these soccer players, she's like, oh, well, he's hot. I'm like, oh no, I can't compete with that. I'm always feeling the pressure, I'm feeling the pressure. Were you always a reality TV fan or did June get you into it?

I think June has definitely opened my mind to it bigger. When I was a, I grew up loving the real world. Like that was my shit. I loved the real world. I loved a show called Sorority Life. I still talk about Sorority Life because there was a season, first season was like in San Diego

and like hot young college kids running around. And then the second season they shot in Buffalo, New York during winter. So they went from like bikinis to people just in like parkas with hoods on. It was a terrible season of sorority life. People were depressed. And so I really like, that was like my stuff early on,

like early on Survivor. And then I really got brought into Bravo, but I went to a different direction, which is I've been a big summer house fan and I had to convince everybody to get on the summer house train. Uh, I was a huge bachelor fan. We did a show called burning love, which was a kind of a parody of that. Yeah. So I've always, yeah. So I've always been a huge, I mean, reality TV is the best TV because the emotions you get so much out of it.

I will say, I know we are all our Love Island fans, I heard the interview with Jeremiah. What's hard about a show like that, and I do watch it is there's so much of it. Sometimes I feel like I'm like, there's more? I need a recap. Cause it's like, like last night's episode or two nights ago was like an hour and 20 minutes. I'm like, this is, this is massive.

I have to get through this. It's two nights in a row. Oh yeah. You're getting, I mean, Love Island's on, I feel like seven nights a week. Oh yeah. I'm like today's Wednesday, so we don't have an episode today.

So now I gotta go over to UK. No, yeah. I'm like today's Wednesday, so we don't have an episode today. So now I gotta go over to UK No, yes here. I'm still a motionable How do you find the time? Where there's a will there's a way I'm behind on UK But like when I find an hour or two to throw it in there and just come in as many episodes as I can Let me ask you a question because I am still emotionally scarred from what happened, I believe last week, where they were drinking milk and then spitting milk into each other's mouths.

That is, look. Wait, and then pouring that milk, that regurgitated milk onto another Islander. I mean, it was hard. It was like, there's nothing sexy about that, ultimately, I don't think. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Look, that show, they're doing a lot of stuff that I'm like, let's go for it.

I've seen, the way the tongues come out, I feel like I'm watching a horror movie. Oh, they go right in with the tongues. I don't know if I, like, we retrained differently, because I thought it was lips first and then tongue. Tongue is leading the way. Tongue is leading the way. Tongue is a special occasion.

That's a special occasion. That's not an everyday thing. It's almost like a key to unlock a door. Yes. It's right in. It's like. That was the first kisses I was seeing when they had the, when Casa Amor and stuff,

I was like, whoa. And it does make me question. I've been married for a very long time. I've been out of the dating scene for a while. I enjoyed my time in that, but now I'm here. And when I watch that, I'm like, wow, things have changed and I would not be able to keep up. I'm safe. You know, I think with Love Island too, they're like,

okay, this is my chance to make him love me or her love me and I need to prove it with this one kiss. So I'm just gonna full send. Do you, I mean, here's the question that I feel with that show. or her love me, and I need to prove it with this one kiss, so I'm just gonna full send. Do you, I mean, here's a question that I feel with that show. If you're, a lot of these kisses are like blindfolded or you don't know who's kissing you and stuff like that,

do you believe like part of a good kiss is the connection that you have? It's not just lips, right? It's not just a, and that's what I think is so kinda hard. It's like, I think part of it is a mental and physical connection mixed, which is a great kiss. Not just like, oh they have a great kissing, I don't know. Yeah.

Well I think that's why so many of the cast are able to, when they do the challenges, it's almost to your point, it's like it doesn't really count because it's like, it's just a challenge. It's like, I feel like it's like taking a work trip to a city you want a vacation to but you don't really get to see, you know, it's just like you didn't, you know, it's like, oh, I went to Hawaii but like I was at a conference for three days and then I flew back and it doesn't really feel like you're at Hawaii, you know, I

don't know, it's like they have these challenges and they're making out with like each other's friends but it doesn't's like they have these challenges and they're making out with each other's friends, but it doesn't feel like they're doing anything wrong because it's so aggressive, they're dripped in warm milk, and it doesn't feel like they're really making connections. And it feels like that must be what it's like. I guess so. I mean, yeah, I just don't think I've ever had that many,

I don't know if you can have a connection just based on a kiss. I feel like, because when that one guy in the last episode when they're all blindfolded, he's like that two, two, one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Fucking asshole. Yeah. I like TJ. I like TJ. That was so annoying. No. Ah. But also like, and I said this on the toast

of like blindfolded kisses. It's like you can't startle me and then try to make out. Like I need a second to get my nervous system down. You know, like I need to relax. I'm like my blood pressure's raised. I'm like a little like nervous. Like I'm not ready to kiss you yet. You know, I need a moment.

Well, what about Nick just like grabbing everybody's ass? I mean, it's like, you don't know who that is. You're just assuming. Yeah, there is like, I think that what you're saying is right about the idea that like, they're like, I can do whatever I want. It's a challenge. But then you also see that like creeper side

of people come out. You're like, whoa, all right. You're just gonna grab that ass right away. But I think you nailed it with like the startling. It's like, there is like, you feel like these women are getting startled when their asses are getting grabbed. These guys, everyone's getting startled.

They're just on a high adrenaline run on this thing. Yeah. And I don't know who I kissed, so there is no chemistry to be made up. Even if you tell me, I'm like, I just kissed six people straight in a row. They didn't even- Do you remember it?

Do I remember number three? And they didn't even say who was who. Like they just left it right there. They were like, okay, so these were the women that you were kissing, And they didn't even say who was who. Like they just left it right there. They were like, okay, so these were the women that you were kissing, but I'm not gonna say who was one, two, three, four, no, five. So odd. It's just so odd.

I do. Paul, are you new to Love Island or have you been watching it over the years? I am new to Love Island. So this has been, I have heard a lot of talk about it. A lot of my friends had like kind of said, this is what you have to watch. And again, I'm home alone and I'm like,

Love Island is on every night. It's treating me good. So yeah, and last night I watched a couple minutes of it with my kids, which was a mistake. But I will say this. You're gonna have a lot more explaining to do after watching this show. But yeah, no, I'm kind of loving it

because it reminds me of the less serious reality shows that I love. I mean, that's what I kind of loved about like Bachelor in Paradise back in the day. And it just is like fun reality where there were no real stakes. I kind of loved about like Bachelor in Paradise back in the day. You know, and real, like it's like, it just is like fun reality where there were no real stakes. I feel like there's so much drama going on right now and backstory on a lot of the shows I love

and I love all that good stuff, but it's summertime. Let's just get some people making out and- And have fun. I have to say, it's not really gotten any fun recently. Recently, it's really made me pissed off. It's made me sad. It's like not the Love Island that it was last year, and I feel like they're doing way too much.

Yeah, so Paul, the big controversy right now is, so as you know, we're in Casa Amor, and traditionally, Casa Amor is meant to stir up the couples, whether they are closed off or not. At this point in the season, there are usually couples that have made some connections, like Ciara and Nick, for example, like Shelly and Ace, Arlandria and Taylor,

and then they bring in obviously these bombshells and they flip-flop and then they see if, now that they're separated, do they make new connections? Do they make out, do they kiss? Like last season, it was a lot of drama, you know? And then these couples, these singles, when they return to the villa, they find out whether their partner that they were in a relationship with

coupled up with before they left for Casa, do they return single, excited to get back to that connection that they were in? Or do they return holding hands with someone new to shake shit up, and then a few episodes later, there's this thing called Movie Night, where then they show clips of what happened in Casa Amor. Well, before the movie, while they're apart,

they get text messages of videos, of pictures, of what their person is doing at Casa Amor or back at the villa with the new bombshells. So maybe that, they get a video of Nick making out with Jaden and then Sierra's like, you know what, fuck it, now I'm really going into what's the main thing. Right, so she's able to go off. Yeah, and it's always like, you know,

it's like out of context stuff, so maybe there's more, maybe there wasn't more, but it really fucks with these people. This is the part of the season that people like anticipate, wait for. It's like the, it's the heart and soul. It's the center of the watermelon. You know, it's like, it's the best. All of a sudden they're just like fucking with the whole format. All costs have more has been all this constantly recoupling. We called Leia last night and Leia made a great point. It's just like, they're not focused on making

these new connections with the bombshells in Casa Amor. They're just trying to survive, right? They're like, it's just like, oh, well, if you don't recouple in 24 hours, you might be gone. It's just like, so it's all just gamesmanship. And now you're eliminating, no one believes that Nick a couple in 24 hours, you might be gone. It's just like, so it's all just gamesmanship and now you're eliminating, no one believes that Nick and Alandria are actually being dumped.

The Instagram, the social pages of Love Island USA is basically like, everyone's freaking out online, everyone's pissed, there's a lot of accusations of overproduction, overproducing, and like, they're already basically saying like, you know, not so fast, they're like crypto. They're basically telling us there's more to the story as if like, you know, cause they know like they're losing a lot of people, but.

Like why piss off your audience, you know? Especially with Casa. A scripted bit at the end of an episode is like that. That's insulting. Yes. Thank you. Well, this is, I think the, I think the issue that I'm noticing is

no one really seems to be having like real connections or really connected. So it's like, I think that they're putting all these games in there because no one seems to be, there's no weight. And, you know, so there's something about this new the Casa Amor and when they got to mix it up, I'm like, oh, are these people better? Because I felt like all the guys are better in Casa Amor.

And I felt like a lot of the women were better that came over. I feel like we may need to like sweep some of this stuff out the door a little bit. And they got rid of like all of the people who had real connections. I know that was crazy. And that was the thing I was so bummed about.

I could not believe that Jeremiah and Jeremiah was, I liked him. I felt like he was getting a connection. I felt like he got done dirty a little bit. By all the guys. And I was so, I don't know. I just feel like this season has been, while fun, I don't feel like anyone is liking anybody really. Well, I also feel like part of the reason for that

is because I don't know if this is accurate, but I feel like there have been more dumpings this season almost. So many. I'm dumping at Casa Amor. Why? Well, they're not dumped. There's no way they're dumped.

But I'm like for all of that drama, but like. But I know for a fact that Alandria and Nick are not dumped because Ariana said everyone was gonna be coming back and they never used the word dump. They just said leaving the villa, whatever. Nonetheless, the islanders knew that there would be a dumping. The islanders thought that there would be a dumping. And so they're all like,

oh my God, in order to come back to my real connection or in order to come back or stay in the game, I have to recouple. And so it's very forced. It's like everybody feels like they have to constantly be in a couple. So they're either forcing it with who they're with, or they're forcing it with who they feel like

they can be with. And they're just all forcing it because they wanna stay in the villa. To, and my question is to what end? Because it feels like they're just kind of waiting for somebody to come in there because there are these a couple of real connections. I'm curious where it goes.

I really wanna get behind the scenes and talk to the person who composes all the music because I've been in love with whatever those songs are. Yeah, it really hypes you up. You're walking out of the villa now. You know, it's like. You guys, my most recent Spotify play is Love Island USA playlist.

Oh, I need to get on that. You gotta send me that. I wonder if it hits the same just listening to the songs. Because it just. You know what, I'm imagining the scenes in my head when like a dun dun dun. I'm like this is a fire, like this is a fire fire pit moment. I love it.

Come to the fire pit. Sierra, as someone who watches a lot of UK, you know, it's just like, do you think Love Island USA is casting way too many already influencers? Like, Ace, I think, had like 900,000 Instagram followers or something like that before he entered. He's got like 1.1 million now. Hoda was an influencer.

I mean, I get everyone who's in their 20s as online nowadays and anyone who's like a hottie usually have some kind of micro following, but can't they find, aren't there enough hot people who wanna be famous who aren't already know how to, who are so brand conscious, who are so, I just feel like Ace is too, he's too plugged in,

and I feel like he's almost kind of poisoning the well and everyone's following Ace's lead about how to play the game rather than making connections and like really get investing in these relationships. Well, this is, I feel like there's a thing that goes on with America, which is we don't trust our audiences to fall in love with people we don't know. Like I love, I first started watching the British traders

and there's a lot of normal people on British traders. And then they have a couple like British celebrities. And then when they do the American version, it's a lot of influencers, celebrities, reality stars. Interesting. And, but the one version of traders that's the best is the Australian version. It's all just super normal people

and it makes the gameplay so much better. It's like, it's an electrician. It's a, you know, it's like, it's just regular people. And then the show is way better cause they're not savvy at all. That's what the original real world was, not savvy. 100% because that's the UK version of Love Island to go to answer your question.

It is, they're landscapers, they're nail technicians, they're coming in for a real connection, they're not coming in for the followers. They know that that's a part of it, but they're also there for two months. So it's like, I feel like they really lose sight of like a prize at the end. And they're just there to like connect with people

and they really fucking mean it because it's like they're vulnerable and they're in this environment. They're not thinking about what happens when I get off the show. Or what the audience is thinking about. Like a lot of the times they're almost like reminded when they do have a game where like the audience will weigh in

on what's been happening or like. Well, that's why Huda is definitely not voted off. If she's got a following that I was like, well, she's definitely the one we're gonna kick off. Aces out 1.1 million followers on Instagram. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I think knowing people who have seen the show and seen what it can do for people, they're like, great.

So I didn't get the clout or the level of fame that I'm getting on my own, but with Love Island, it's national, it's worldwide, that it's like, now I'm getting the recognition or like the following that I think I deserve. But it's like, you're not actually here to fall in love. You're not doing the game. You're not doing the actual thing.

The producers don't need to do that because then you have people like Jalen who have, he's, I think has surpassed any of the people, you know what I mean? Yeah. And he came on as like this trucker from Georgia. I love him. Real person.

Now, let me ask you this. I love Arianna Maddox, like I'm straight, but when Megan Thee Stallion came on, I'm like, this is what this show needs. I need some emotion, people. I was thinking the same. That was the best is what this show needs. I need some emotion people. I was thinking the same. She was, that was the best episode of this whole season. Yep, hands down, hands down.

She literally owned that. All of the Islanders were having fun, letting loose. And I'm like, this is what I want to see. I'm so tired of tears every episode. I think, and that's, I think that I've heard that also last season, the women had a much stronger connection and this season, the women are kind of forcing that connection to feel like they are like last season.

I mean, put us falling on the floor, having a full breakdown when Elandre was at home. Oh, I mean, that was wild. That whole thing, I felt so bad for Zach, British Zach. No, yeah. You know, cause it's like, he stood up and I was like, oh, that's really cool. But this is an exciting moment.

And then it just felt like he was left out. Like he did something terrible. He's from Manchester. He watched the real UK when he's like, I'm supposed to be making decisions for myself. This is like a thing, right? And like, and it's like, and I look, I love Alandria. I was, I'm bummed if she's not gone or she's gone,

who knows, but it's like, I'm bummed. But I also was like, that was cool. That was, that's what we want. We want that moment. We need that thing. And he's just sitting there like, like he was a bad guy. He's not a bad guy.

No, he's there for love. I liked his speech though, like it was the first time it endeared me to him because before that he was kind of clunky and like when he made out with Amaya, he like weirdly was like, don't say anything, like why are we keeping, this is on TV, this is why are we keeping it. Yes.

There's five cameras in this room. He was very endearing in that moment and I thought he was very sweet. But yeah, I don't know, like yeah, they're limiting some of their best people. Like Jeremiah, like I feel like Jeremiah was really genuine and like he was trying to make connections and he was like being blamed for having the face

that he had and all the girls liking him and you know. I mean the fact that Sierra defended their decision by sending Hannah home of being like, Hannah got to experience two really great connections with Charlie and with Pepe and like Iris and Amaya, you two deserve that too. It's like, that's not what Love Island is. If you can't make a connection, you go home.

If you do have a connection, you stay. Like, I don't understand these people. And then Huda and Casa Amor pulling JD to be like, so I guess you already know I'm a mom, and then gave us another like selfish explanation as to like how she's a mom, why she's a mom, her dating, her being like, yeah, no one's ever really had a problem with me being a mom and like I'm dating to Mary.

Not once mentioning like I need someone who like, you know, gets along with my daughter. I need someone who understands what it's like, you know, like to be involved with a five year old is means this and it means that like gives zero explanation about being an actual mother to a child, it's just so selfishly I'm a mom. The biggest red flag I got in that interaction was,

and again, I'm terrible at names, I just know by like distinguishing characteristics, that that guy that she said that to was like, yeah, I don't actually, it doesn't make a big deal to me if someone has a kid, because not about that. I'm like, whoa, whoa. It's kind of about that. Yeah, it's kind of, that is- That was crazy. I was like, someone has a kid. Cause not about that. I'm like, whoa, whoa. It's kind of about that. Yeah, it's kind of-

That was crazy. I was like, what do you mean it's not about that? She's saying I'm dating to marry. It's like, yeah, that's fine. I love it when they have kids. Whatever, I've dated a mom before, it didn't really matter. So you wanna make out or, you know.

Yeah. He treated it like she was divorced. Like he's like, I don't mind if you were married before. Like he was like, no, no, no, this is a child that lives in her house. And that's why I do think like it was tough because I don't know how you feel about this, but like Jeremiah was put in this situation

where I think that they did have a connection, but then she got very needy. Like, and I still feel like she wasn't really over him, but I do feel like people really were like, they're rooting for her to find love, but she, this is not the place for her to find love, in my opinion. I feel like she needs to find somebody else off this show

because the show is built not, I don't know, I mean, maybe it will be at the end, but it's like, she's too jealous or too much like, you're my person to make the show, to be enjoyable character. I don't know. I'm like, I want her off so bad, although now she's coming alive a little bit.

Now she's mellowing out, but that's because we're just mad about the whole show in general. Listen, she's been insufferable, but I also think, I think she's very necessary, now more than ever, for this show, because I think she's one of the few people we are getting authenticity from. You are just getting her real reactions

and I feel like so many people on this show, like I think we all love Shelley, but like Shelley doesn't give us anything. I mean, other than like Demure, you know, she seems like a class act, she seems like, you know, I'd want to be friends with her, but she's not exactly captivating television. And also like, I feel like last season,

what was so cute was watching from both sides. You're watching either one of the guys or one of the girls, like Kendall being like, man, I really hate watching Nicole talk to that guy. I feel like I have a clown nose on my face. And you get these really sweet, vulnerable moments like Cordell being like, you don't have a clown nose, like you have your nose.

Like, it's like, you're not seeing these people invested in their partners at all, that it's like they're not talking to somebody else, being like, man, like I really like her, but I'm sad she's going on this date. Like it's like, the guys cried more about Nick going home. When Nick went home, I was like, this feels like the biggest breakup of the season.

A hundred percent. I was like, you know, it was like, I love you, bro. I love you, bro. And it's like, you're the best connection I've made here. I'm like, and that's what I feel like is going on, is like them, they are a group amongst themselves. Like they're not really sharing in that middle ground. And that's a bummer because I think people came in hot.

Like I liked Emily a lot. I thought Emily like, but then when they sent Charlie, it was a Charlie, right? Yeah. When they sent Charlie home, I was like bummed about that. Cause I feel like it's just, it just feels like they are keeping and getting rid of the wrong people.

100%. Especially Taylor, Nick, and Ace, they really give high school friendships, just very catty, very clicky. It's just like there's no independence. Ace is too cool for school. When you hung out with your boys every day, and you dated your friends.

Before you were independent, you'd go to the movies with dated your friends. Like when you, before you like, yeah, were independent, like you go to the movies with your guy friends, you'd go to dinner with your guy friends. You know, like that's who you really connected with when you were that young and these guys are just, it's, I don't know, it's too high school. I also hate that they're giving all of the new bombshells, men and women, like the power over the OGs

and like the people who've been there. It's like, why are you letting CASA people like pick who they're with? It should be the other way around. Like, why are we sending home OGs and not CASA people? It's just, it's weird. Listen, I am all for the producers like throwing in some twists, but not with Kasa.

Kasa Amor is the twist. This is the twist. This is where you test the relationship. This is where the islanders get to make the decision for themselves, to your point, Natalie, if they wanna stay with their OG couple or move on with, or bring somebody else and explore them. That's the twist.

Stop fucking with the format of Kasa. Well, let me ask you about what happened in that episode where it felt like they only had one, like were the ones, it was Amaya, right? Was the single, like she was single, so she had to stand up and then all of a sudden that switched to Alandria. But on the guy's side,

it felt like everyone got a chance to get up in front of the group. Do you think that that was an editing decision? No, I think that had somebody gotten up and chosen Olandria, it would have been safe. Okay, got it, okay. Like a ripple. It would have kept on going, okay.

Yeah, kept going, yeah. It really makes me more sus about when they voted off Jeremiah and Hannah and they didn't show any of the conversations and how those groups came to the decision. Like last year when they did that, we got to see, that was like a big storyline about how the women came to that decision

and who was like leading the conversation. And it seems a little fucked up now more than ever. You know, now that we're kind of criticizing producers for over producing that they're just, I don't know, like they're not, you know. I usually like to defend producers and I feel like sometimes the hardcore reality TV fans like love, they love the behind the scenes conversations

too much, they love the conspiracies, the blaming producers for everything they don't like. When I think, there's a lot of times, I've become more familiar with reality TV shows and I've been shocked by how much they don't produce and how much they're not involved. But I really think times have changed where they don't produce and how much they're not involved. But like, I really think, you know, times have changed where they really try to be hands off.

But like, it really is giving from this show right now that the producers are just too, it's like they're too online. They're reading Reddit, they're reading Twitter, they're on TikTok, they're following fan reactions, and they're making too many reactionary moves trying to like appease fans. Where like, just like where just trust your process,

trust your format, trust the casting, and let them do their thing. They're also being way too messy with their editing, it feels like, and I think the audience is catching on, and the audience is being like, there was a scene where when Jeremiah came in to give Iris breakfast, and it showed him walking into the room and there was a scene where when Jeremiah came in to give Iris breakfast and it showed like him walking into the room and there was no hooda

and then it shows like hooda giving a stank face and it's like, but she wasn't in the room and then it shows like Hannah talking to the girls but then in the reflection of the window it shows Shelley and Elandria and you see Hannah in the reflection and her mouth isn't moving. You know, like they're getting really sloppy with their like cutting and the reflection and her mouth isn't moving. You know, like it's, they're getting really sloppy

with their like cutting and pasting and editing that it feels very like not what it was. Do you think that that's part of the daily nature of the show or like whatever the four times a week that's on is like there that they A can react in real time, but also the show is sloppier because of that, because they are, they don't have enough time to kind of finesse moments,

so they have to kind of create a story because they need it to be fulfilling at an hour, and they may not have all those pieces together at that point. I will say I am less critical of editing like that. I only say this because I think the best reality TV shows and the best reality TV producers, like they want to show you the authentic story.

In a perfect world, they cast the perfect group of people and they give and they don't edit themselves and they're all, you know, but that doesn't always happen. And you know, at the end of the day, they have to make a TV show. I think sometimes editing will try to, in this limited time, as many, even though we have an episode every night with Love Island, we are still only

airing an hour of what is 24 hours of footage that they have, right? And so sometimes when they are showing, like they cut to Huda giving kind of like a resting bitch face reaction to a moment, and then you realize that she wasn't in the room in that moment or whatever. I think often a justifiable reason is,

they're trying to convey the sentiment of what was going on in that room, despite maybe that footage that they chose to use didn't quite capture that. Does that make sense? Where it's just like, yeah, maybe that didn't happen this way, but that was still the vibe.

I feel like it's them playing into the Huda's crazy conversation that's happening in and outside of the villa. They're giving audience more examples of Huda being quote unquote crazy. Exactly, but my point is that was what was going on in the villa. When I interviewed Jeremiah, I asked him, I'm like, hey listen, a lot of people are having

these reactions with Huda. This is what they think. That was what was going on in the villa. When I interviewed Jeremiah, I asked him, I'm like, hey listen, a lot of people are having these reactions with Huda. Like, this is what they think. We know that things can be edited. Is the fan's sentiment and what we are seeing on this TV show from what you saw, is that what you experienced? And he confirmed that yeah, that's how it was.

And I'm just saying sometimes, they don't have the perfect footage to just, they have a limited time. So they have to like maximize what the audience or what is that feeling that is happening and they sometimes have to edit it. Does that make sense? It's like the cliff notes of the day, right?

This is essentially the emotions that happened. We can't show you all the intricate details, but like this, trust us, she's mad, he's okay. This guy's a jerk, let's go with it. And they're trying to craft something within that. I think- They don't have very much time either. It's a fast turn.

Yeah, it's so fast. And I also feel like some of these guys aren't giving full, I don't, like this is one of those reality shows where I don't feel like I know everybody. Like there's, they're even withholding with the audience. Like the guy, I call him like Bobo Owen Wilson, the guy who was cleaning the pool.

What's his name? Austin. Austin, yeah. I love Austin, but you know, Austin, you know, I'm like, I don't know what he is besides us. I'm like, oh yeah, well, I hope this girl likes me. You know, it's like, like, I feel like they're there. We're not finding out. So maybe the people that we are finding out the most about are the ones

that we're irritated with because they're just like, I am this one thing. I'm going to say this one thing over and over and over again. But like sometimes I'm just watching, just watching a lot of tongue. And I will say that like UK does a really good job because they also have a bonus episode. I think that's also why their seasons are longer. They do a bonus episode called Unseen Bits. So the entire episode is just clips of the islanders that we didn't see throughout.

And it's like random funny moments. And it's like you kind of get to see another side of their personality outside of like what the storyline drama is, where I'm like, here, we don't have that. And they play little clips, yeah, during Aftersun. But I'm like, you don't get to see that there's a full 24 hours that these people are hanging out. Who are these people, right? They have a funny side.

A funny side. We don't get to see any of that. Like Big Brother, and I used to do this when I was super into Big Brother, they have a live feed where you could just watch. Oh, I remember this, the best. And I used to do that. I used to sit there and just watch them exist.

It was the most fun. It's like, of course, keep those cameras. We should have a camera running on Love Island. Why not, right? It should be like a paid, this would be a great way to make extra money, Peacock. Just like charge an extra subscription and people could just watch the live feed.

Or just don't, we already are paying for it. Just give it to us for free. Let's give us four cameras, that's all. Just for, we don't even need audio. Yeah, we don't need the audio. Everyone will watch it. Like those birds, when we watch a bird come out of the nest or that bird up in California.

The bald eagle's gonna have his baby in nine months and be set up this time lapse camera. Well, despite our Love Island venting session, I mean, the audience is invested and I'm definitely gonna be too, I can't wait for Thursday because I wanna know what's up. I'm invested.

That was the biggest cliffhanger this season. I think this was like my second favorite episode, because it was like, okay, now stuff is going to happen. It feels like this is the biggest moment of the season coming back from Kasa Amor. I hope. I hope so, yeah. Don't let us down. I want to believe that they're going to like,

yeah, they have a big plan. Maybe we don't understand it. We're a little triggered right now, but I think all our gripes are valid. And if they're gonna, if producers are gonna produce, I want them to just talk to the cast and say, hey, you need to lean into these relationships. You really need to go for it.

You guys are being a little too safe. You're not like, just say that. Tell them to be vulnerable and stop worrying about friendships and stuff like that and have people, tell them that Huda's got the biggest following of them all. Because they all, it's clear that everyone in the house has a strong opinion about Huda and they're judging her

and they are kind of sticking their nose up with Huda. And I get why, but she's also, other than Jalen, she is getting the most follows. She's the biggest star. Liker or hater, whatever you think of Huda, she's the most talked about person on the show. I mean, is she the villain? I mean, not that she's a villain,

but she is kind of serving that role. You're watching her because you're frustrated by her a little bit. And, but now I do think that, based on that last episode, I like the guys that came in a lot. I'm like, ooh, these guys seem like they have a little bit more. The basketball team.

Yeah, the basketball team. They're very tall, very muscular. When he was six, eight, I was like, for real? I know, I was like, I watch that and I was like, when they show them together in those poses, I'm like, this has made me laugh so hard. But, and so I am hoping that that will carry over because I felt like I saw something real.

And that to me speaks of good producing, which is like, okay, maybe these are not the right people for them. And instead of just like attracting them by like body, they brought in people that are attracting them by mind a little bit more. And I feel like there was something about that last episode that gave me a lot of hope for where we go.

And then also all the fallout is gonna be intense. Yeah, well, my prediction for what's gonna happen is that they're gonna bring Nick and Alandria back and it's gonna be like a big recoupling where it's gonna be kind of up to the OG, like Taylor and Sierra to either save them or stay with their Nick. Do you want Nick on the show?

He's pretty to look at. He's pretty to look at, you know, but he's, but he also, he gives me nothing, and he's also, exactly to everybody's point, he's the one who's not taking any of these relationships. He's like, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, all over the place. You've got Sierra bawling, like, missing him, and he's over here like, well, you know,

we're gonna be in Casa. We gotta do it, we gotta do it. If it's Casa Moore, it's Casa Mooring. That's what sucked about him leaving right now, again, who knows what's gonna happen, but like that, you know, Sierra was that one person who was freaking out and emotionally invested in her relationship with Nick

and she was all in. So whether Nick was not, like Nick was given like Aaron from last season, where he's just like out there like, Sierra doesn't even exist right now in his world. She's crying about him. And even though like Nick's kind of't even exist right now in his world. She's crying about him. And even though Nick's kind of a fan favorite right now, like Aaron was early in the season,

it had the opportunity for a great movie night where Nick's making moves that's gonna piss off Sierra and a lot of people. And then now all of a sudden he's leaving, he gets this like hero exit, everyone's crying, and then he runs, he's leaving, he gets this hero exit, everyone's crying, and then he runs, I will say I'm exhausted of the hood of villain. I want one of these guys to really step in it and not be protected by the clique,

you know what I'm saying? I want these guys to be the fuckboys that I guarantee you that they are. Yeah. And there is something funny, because Nick is a fuckboy, right, I mean, and there is something funny because I mean, Nick is, like Nick is a fuck boy. I mean, right, I mean, 100%. My favorite moment was when they're posing

in the photo booth and he's like on the verge of tears and then the camera went to flash, he's like, big smile, like big, big smile. He's like, this motherfucker. But you know, like I do feel like these other guys feel like they have a little bit more emotional depth and maybe we'll get some switching up of things. Because I agree with you, like I'm tired of it.

I just feel like, but I don't know if that's this is I'm a new I'm a newbie to the world. So I am enjoying it. But I'm like I at 20 episodes in, I think I should feel a lot more emotionally connected. One couple that you're rooting for that you really want. And it's like even Elandria being safe, I'm like, or whatever their twist is gonna be. I'm like, I feel like Taylor doesn't deserve her. No.

Taylor said another girl is her in another body. Oh my God, that was so annoying when you said that. Taylor's blind. You know, like blind and stupid. Moving on from Love Island, Paul. Yes. I understand that you also a bit of a true crime fan. You've been found the Karen Reed case

and Jerry Papini who we recently interviewed. I don't know if you had a chance to listen to that. By the way, I did listen to it. I'm obsessed. My wife got me into true crime. I fell head over heels into this Karen Reed thing. Cause I watched the HBO Max documentary. I couldn't stop watching it.

And then all of a sudden, second trial, listening, watching every person from Boston who has a TikTok. It was like, all right, let me tell you something. I installed garage doors and in Canton, everyone's a swinger, you know? So I got deep into Karen Reed and yeah, that really took over a large chunk of my time. That Diddy and Sherry Papini, but Sherry Papini on here,

now I know this is your guest, you have a guest on the show, but she, I am so mixed on her, I'm so mixed. Cause I was suckered into the first doc, I followed that story, then I suckered into her doc. And there's a part of me that goes, wow, I believe that maybe some of this happened. But then there's a part of me going like,

I don't know though. Why isn't she pulling up charges on this guy? And this guy seems so matter of fact that if he was doing all this. But then my favorite moment was at the end of that doc when they go, hey, so we did some research and is it James, her boyfriend, who kidnaps, and James's mother is not Mexican.

And she's like, okay, yeah, well, okay, well, I met her. That was your whole smoking gun. Yeah, and she's like, well, I met her and I know what she looks like. The way that she responded so quickly to like, hey, by the way, the one thing you said is a total lie. She's like, yeah, yeah, but that's not important. Don't worry about it.

When we had her on our show and we kind of got into that topic and then she dropped that like the entire neighborhood allegedly knew that she was sitting out there. And I'm like, what, huh? That doesn't make any sense. She switches it up whenever she gets in a corner. And that's what I thought was so fascinating here, because I'm like, you are, I'm a fan of this show,

I love that interview, but she's slippery. And you dealt with her in a really good way, but it's like, you can't kind of corner her, because once she gets cornered, she just, she's like, and as a matter of fact- Slithers out? Yeah, she's like, oh, as a matter of fact, my husband's actually having an affair with my sister. Wait, what? And it's she's like, and as a matter of fact, she slithers out. Yeah, she's like, oh, as a matter of fact, my husband's actually having an affair with my sister.

Yeah. Wait, wait, what? And it's like, oh, and as a matter of fact, like you just like, she drops another bomb and it's like, it's perfect liar mentality. And I hate to, I don't want to ever like, I don't want to assume, but man, oh man, it makes it hard for me to believe anything

that she's saying. I mean, with the sharing of it all, I think it, you know, I think the James, I think he is guilty of clearly something. I think the fact that she was able to, whether she asked him to do it, or he had kidnapped her and did it on her own, like the bruises, the injuries that she came back home with, she could not have done to herself. So the fact that she was able to ask him to do this and he was like, okay, sure.

Like that's a bad person. It's the same thing with like the gypsy Rose of it all. Gypsy Rose asked someone to kill her mom. And that person was like, sure. You ask anyone else and they're like, oh my God, babe, like let me get you some help. I'm not the person. I can't do that.

Here's a question I have, because I do agree with you 100%, but devil's advocate on this. I will say this. He doesn't need one. Because you could never say, no one would ever ask me, can you please brand me? And I'd be like, okay.

I can't go that bridge. So I believe you're right. But do you think that there's a little bit of manipulation? Like this is a guy that had a crush on her when they were in high school together. They were, you know, like, do you think that there is this, oh my God, this girl who liked me finally is giving me attention.

I guess I will brand her. But I mean, I still, I still can't. I still, yeah. To me it was less of the branding and more of like the broken nose with the hockey stick. You know, like. Right, yeah. There was a lot.

My take on Sherry Pappina's whole situation, what I believe is that she has probably encountered several bad actors, whether that's her original husband, a boyfriend, her parents, I don't know. She clearly is a person. Actors or apples? What? Actors or apples? What? Actors or apples?

Bad actors. Actors. Yeah, bad actors. Bad people. Bad apples? Whatever. Not great people. She's encountered bad people.

However you wanna say it. I think it's a couple of bad apples. There are, you could say actors, you could say apples. There's a- Are they interchangeable? Yeah, I believe they are. Either way, bad people. She's a, I think she is definitely a victim for sure.

Like I don't know when, how many times. I definitely think she's someone who's been victimized in her life and I have a lot of empathy for that. I also think she's an absolute liar and I think she's also, which is very common, I think she's also someone who's victimized a lot of people as well.

And when we interviewed her, you know, it's like you said, it's tough. You know, we're not, we don't pretend to be journalists on this show when we get an opportunity to interview. We have, you know, a lot of our interviews are light and fun and we're talking like turn them out. So we were talking reality TV and Love Island. And then we get some opportunities where like, you know,

these are serious topics, you know, in serious conversations. You just wanna ask the questions that you want, you know people are asking, and then you just kinda see how this person answers it, and then they respond and let the audience decide. But there was a vibe in the room that there's an energy that was very uncomfortable,

at least I thought when Sherry was there. I just, it was kind of an icky feeling. Well, I thought it was crazy, and I even asked her this, of like, so you, you know, she just kept saying, like, I didn't want the emotional affair that she was having with James to, like, her kids to find out. And so I'm like, the police sat,

when you were in that interrogation room, they're like, by the way, like, if you lie to us, like, you will be arrested, right? This is a crime. Just going to put that out there. If you lie to us, she's like, okay, no, for sure. Right. And then she's like, I I'm like, you were more afraid to tell your children that

you had an emotional affair than go to prison and like be away from your kids. There's something about her and I think maybe I'll say it's like, she's like one fourth the truth and three fourths like a lie. And it's like, and it's hard to tell which part is the truth and which part is the lie because you see all that footage of her and you see her lying so openly and honestly. And I do believe, yes, maybe your husband is kind of a jerk and an asshole.

And I believe that to be true. And I do believe that she definitely orchestrated this thing and maybe what she orchestrated got out of hand. But I also wanna know like what I do. I am like, we'll never know what happened. And I mean, and the fact that that other guy, the guy that kidnapped her, like, no one's asking him any questions.

It seems like he did one lie detector test and they were like, done, got it. We, but it's, it's weird, right? It's like, it's like, it, you know, obviously Karen Reed, that whole story behind that is like, you know, to a certain extent, the police didn't do their job or they did it in a way that was ineffective or they,

they didn't go the full distance. And I feel like that's the same thing that happened here, to a certain extent. Like they just took this guy, give him one lie detector test. I think that they knew that she was lying or they made that decision early on. It was like, we're just gonna drive right into you.

And then that's a bummer too, because it kind of gets this guy off if he did do this, but it's so hard. If he did, I don't know. There's also the video footage of the investigators or police going to talk to James and they're like, by the way, if she asked you to hurt her, that's not a crime. You're not in trouble if she asked you.

It's like. Yeah, they really led him in that way. And then it's like, oh. But then it's also like, then she said, oh, I want to go home and see my kids. And he's like, okay, I'll drive you home. And I'm like, what? Like, what? Like, I don't, I just didn't like, there's so many parts of it. And that's why, like, you're talking to her and she says things so like, and that's why it was really interesting because I was like, oh, the documentary is one way.

And then listening to her on the show, I was like, oh, this will hopefully be a little bit more casual. She'll be like, you'll get different things from her. But I think in her personality, that's part of her, she's slippery, she's just slippery. It's like, it's a tricky person to kind of figure out if she's using you and you don't wanna get too close because at one point you will become the enemy.

And that's somebody that I think we've all seen in different relationships throughout our entire lives. Yeah. Well, Paul, thanks for breaking it all down with us. This has been super fun. We appreciate you coming back. I'm so excited to be here, yeah. Where can people find you?

They can find me on social media, wherever you, your social media, I'm so excited to be here, yeah. Where can people find you? They can find me on social media, wherever you, your social media, I'm on there. Just Paul Scheer, I have a book called Joyful Recollections of Trauma, New York Times best seller, very exciting. Congrats. Thank you so much. And yeah, and then I'm on tour

and popping around in Portland and Seattle and Vancouver. Well, Paul, this has been tons of fun. I hope you come back soon. And any time. And good luck with the single dad duties, man. I had 40 hours of it. I appreciate it. And props to you. You crushed it, honey. You were great. Well, thanks.

It's definitely, it's just not easy. It's not. You really gotta. Next time I come on, I'm gonna take the challenge. I'm gonna take the Dylan Efron challenge. I'm gonna get AAB. I'll have AAB for you by the time I come back. Once June gets back and settled in,

you guys are welcome to come back together too, we'd love to have her on as well. Oh my gosh, that would be a blast. Well definitely when Traders comes back, I wanna get on the show and break it down. I'm ready, I'm ready for it. Would you ever do Traders? Man, you know that's the one show that I'm like,

I'm always nervous about, like, would I do a show? That one seems really fun. Yeah, you know, I'll tell you the person that I wanna do Traders, I want Jeff Probst to do Traders as a contestant. I would love to get like hosts in. That's a great call. Right? Wouldn't that be awesome?

Like, I think I'd get those people who really work their connections. I, you know. The ones who are used to hosting the games and not playing them. Yes, a hundred percent. Cause they also understand the mental manipulation and stuff like that.

I would fold. I would come across as the worst version of myself on any reality show. Props to anyone on a reality show for burying themselves in such a way, like the emotional moments, like, you know, obviously like people are crying, you're seeing every, it's a part of myself I would never wanna show to anyone.

So God bless everyone, even on the Traders, you see these moments where like, and you can imagine six months later, like why the hell was I crying? I uploaded off the show. You got $2,000. Like, all right, I'm so, I lost my fact to get $2,000. Like, all right, I'm so lost my fact to get $2,000. Who cares?

Well, Paul, appreciate you coming on, man. I hope everyone go follow Paul, check out everything he's doing, and we'll see you next time, Paul. All right, see you. Bye-bye. Bye. Up next, Hannah from Love Island joins the Vilephiles to talk about her unceremonious exit from the villa,

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She said to everyone. See, I'm already programmed to clap on the cue, you know? All right, ready to rock and roll? Yeah. I'm ready. Hannah, welcome to the show. So glad to have you. We're excited to talk.

I'm so excited. No, I have so glad to have you. We're excited to talk. I'm so excited. No, I have so many questions for you. I love you so much. Please tell me you are going to rekindle with Charlie I need to know right now. I am still completely disconnected from the outside world. I have no clue what's going on.

I know no clue what's going on in his head. I think it's all kind of whatever happens is supposed to happen. I don't think I'm gonna force any of my connections outside of the villa because I didn't do it inside. But you know. But let's just play like a game. Yeah, okay.

You get your phone back. You got like three messages from Charlie. A couple DMs, you probably didn't have your number. And he's like, when and where girl, I will come to you. Do you say yes? Yeah, of course. Okay. We were like in our own world the whole time.

We were always laughing. We had the best time. We seriously did. We had him on the show a couple episodes ago and he said that he was obviously watching the show and he said he would skip past your part. Oh, that's sad.

I'm like, meanwhile me, I only watch my part. It was like after he left, he was like, I didn't want to see her with Pepe. So I would just fast forward. Oh, that's really sad. Oh, sweet. I'm like, I'm sorry, Charlie. I talked to them all the That makes me really sad. So sweet. I'm like, I'm sorry, Charlie. I talked about him all the time.

I really did talk about him all the time. Well, that being said, I mean, like, you know, we get it, right? It's Love Island. Things move fast. But, you know, now that you've got a taste of both of these, you know, handsome men, which direction are you leaning a little bit more? No, no, no, who were you more upset to leave Pepe or for Charlie to leave you? I feel like I'm gonna hurt your feelings with this one. No, not at all, we don't care.

Listen, we just want you to be Hannah. We just want you to be happy. Happy Hannah, yeah. Definitely, I think I was more sad to leave Pepe. Do you think you were more sad to leave Pepe. Do you think you were more sad to leave Pepe or more sad to just be like abruptly ejected from your environment and the villa? Yeah, I think that also plays a part in it,

but I also think like there is a complete other side of like me and Pepe's story that's just like nobody knows about my reality and my experience is really different than what I saw. I'm like, it looks like he hates my guts, but I promise like it's way different. Well, give us now's the time. Give us a little bit of that insight.

Like, you know, give us the, like the Hannah and Pepe love story. Yeah, I think he, honestly, I don't even think there's a word in my vocabulary that would like articulate and illustrate like the connection that we had. I think we... It was so like... I don't even know the word ambiguous.

We had really silly banter. Honestly, we bullied each other a lot, but it was all fun and games. And that's what they showed. They showed us bullying each other, but it was always jokes or we'd slip each other off across the villa. But then we would have these really serious moments. And I honestly was never not reassured by that man. Like if he was going to go talk to somebody, he'd be like, by the way, I'm going to go have this chat like I'll come back and like let you know everything. And before the recap, not

recoupling, whatever when I got sent home the elimination, he sat down with me after like it was right before it was literally right before I got eliminated. And he was like, I don't know what's happening tonight. He was like, all I know that if this is like, I'm leaving tonight, and this is the last chat that I get to have, like, I really wanted to have it with you. And so in my mind, I'm like, we're fine. Like we're like the strongest couple, nothing's gonna happen. And then I think it was just a really big

shock. But there's so much that I hope that I get to see like little behind the scenes because we would just stay up all night talking all night. Like literally the sun would be up and we'd get like 10 minutes of sleep and be delusional. I think that's why we were like so delusional all the time. Tell us something about Pepe America hasn't been able to learn yet.

He surprised me way more than I ever thought he would. He's so different. And I think everyone in the village can like attest to that. He's so different than what I thought when I originally had like connected with him. He is so sweet. He's like literally such a man. He's such a gentleman.

He's so reassuring to everyone. Like he always is checking on everyone. He literally like Charlie gets at home and he's comforting me for hours and like making me a bunch of food. And I think that honestly came across. I think America was like, he seems just like a really, really nice, like sweet guy. I think that did come across. Have you wrecked your brain on why they chose you? You know, I was kind of waiting to get clarity from like watching the episodes and I never did. Let's be honest, Hannah, they fucked you over.

Yeah, I mean, it hurt a lot and like, those were my friends. And I don't think our friendships were really shown as well either. I was really close with all of them. I was really close with Huda, but I think I was really mad at Huda the last couple of days I was in the villa. Did it make you question the genuineness

of those friendships? No, because I know that it's, we have no sleep and like we're all kind of deluded half the time. We don't know what's going on. Yeah, I was really, really upset, but I think it's just conversations that we need to have post-villa. I think we all had talked about watching the show together

and being like, wait, wait, wait, wait, this is what I meant when I said that. Because we say a lot of shit we don't mean. There was a lot of Hurricane Hannahs throughout the villa that weren't showing you know I like had my crash out moments But let's be real here like between like we all thought like and we loved Iris she seemed like a chill person We didn't all think Iris Iris stood on the front lines for hurricane Huda and took one for the team by being partner I just thought a Maya. Well, We thought Amaya didn't really have a connection. Well there was a case for either.

And no disrespect for any, we were fans of all three women, but like Iris was in a relationship or kinda with Jeremiah. She wasn't really making a lot of connections. She had the buddings of a match with JT. Amaya had been striking out. Like I think a lot of frustrations with America right now

is there's not a lot of like connections being made, right? People aren't like, it's just a lot of friends. But you've been really trying and you've been really making these connections. And so of those three women, you were the one that had something going with Pepe. And so it just made no sense why they chose you and it seems kind of messed up.

Yeah. Iris is such a sweetheart and I think that she really does deserve that chance. I think she deserves that opportunity because she did have something going with TJ. It just not really blossomed yet. And I think she was just a sweetheart and like I defended that girl to the end of time. Like I was sitting there like waiting for them to reveal who they had chosen. I was like, please don't like I don't want it to be Iris because she just hasn't had

her time yet. I think Amaya too, like she's, oh my gosh, that girl's full of emotion. And I just think she really has not found her connection yet. So although I didn't think it was going to be me, I really didn't want it to be them either. I didn't want it to be any of us. I knew it was going to go one way or the other. But I think what had bugged me is it said that like it's, I think, I don't remember who said it, but they said there was more effort from Iris and Amaya, which

I just don't think is true. You were the only one in a relationship. Yeah. Because even still I was exploring, I had a conversation with TJ. I wasn't really feeling it. Me and Jaylen did several times try to have talks. There was just not really time because I was like the one that was like, I'm going to talk to literally every single person and whatever works out well. But like I never had to force my connections. They just kind of fell into place and it was so beautiful and it was an amazing experience.

But I do feel like it was cut short. Yeah, I think it was Sierra who was trying to justify the decision by saying like, you were so lucky to have these two amazing connections that like the other two women deserve that chance. And it's like, you don't get sent home because you have a connection. You get sent home because you can't form a connection. So it was a little like,

I think America definitely was very upset. We were pissed. We were pissed. Yeah, it did make me sad, because Ciro's like my big sister. I feel like she was really reassuring of me, and she would always, whenever I was down, she would really have a lot of talks with me.

So it does hurt, but at the end of the day, there's nothing I can do to change it, and I just had to move forward. Mature answers. Ted, do you see last night's episode? Yes, I did. I was freaking the fuck out. Were you crying?

I was crying. I was crying, I was like, no, because Alandria, that is my fucking girl. That is my girl, like she got me through all of my funks in the villa, and she's the funniest girl in the fucking world. And Nick too, Nick was like one of my really close friends as well and I was like, what the fuck?

I was like, send that back home guys. So we don't know what's going on, obviously it doesn't seem like they're actually gone. Who knows what the producers are cooking up. I think America's a bit frustrated with them messing with the format of Casa Amor but like, you know, whatever, I guess we'll see, Maybe we'll be happy in the end. That being said, it's interesting that it was Orlandria

and Nick getting in the car together. I don't know if you're aware of this, probably not because you don't have your phone, but there's been a lot of like fans, like kind of sipping the idea of Orlandria and Nick. They, you know, whether it's in the games or like just like little looks that, you know, maybe they it's in the games or just like little looks that maybe they're catching in the villa, but there's a lot of people

kind of speculating there's like this hidden love affair between the two of them. Does that make any sense to you whatsoever? Is there anything there? Could we be surprised? Is this what the producers are cooking up for us? What do you have to say about that? Oh my gosh, there is, it's really hidden.

And maybe I'm fucking oblivious, but I mean, I know we like would make out with her in challenges, but like challenges were challenges. We just made out with everyone. Like it was literally just like a big make out session. All right. Okay, so you didn't see any like flirtiness going on between the two of them that made you think, oh, maybe.

Nick's a flirt. Nick flirts with everyone. Nick would flirt with like a brick wall. Yeah. But I don't know, maybe there was, but I really could not say, yeah. Well, you left right before Casa Amor happened, and I know that you had something nice going with Pepe.

That being said, were any of the men that entered in Casa Amor, did any of them kind of pique your interest? Do you think, you know, which of the guys do you think you would have gone for? Yeah, they were all cute. We want names. I think Elan was really cute.

Like that's like who I was drawn to when I was watching and I was like, damn, I had, I missed out. But you know, I really do like my connections that I did have. What are your predictions about what's going to happen next episode? Damn. Hopefully we find out what's going on with,

I think they're either gonna have like Nick go to Casa and Alandra go back to the villa. Maybe spice that up a little and see. But I don't know. I feel like that would be a little crazy. I hope that Sierra gives a little bit more of an opportunity to Elan, because I feel like they kind of have this similar vibe that's really cute.

I don't know, I'm like, I'm just as curious as you are, because now I'm like outside of the villa, I'm like, I don't wanna know, I don't wanna watch. Have you been, they haven't shown a lot of it, but Grayson and Pepe are obviously coupled right now. How does that make you feel? Oh, I was skipping through that whole episode, trying to find it, I'm like, damn, there's nothing.

I'm like, maybe that's a good thing, but he did say something that was like, it's weird, like waking up in bed and like, and it's like not her or whatever. Like, I think it was cut off, so I up in bed and like, and it's like, not her or whatever. I think it was cut off. I don't know what the rest of the sentence was, but I was like, oh, like I'm just, you know, I try not to think about it too much. I really think he deserves happiness no matter if it's with a new connection or whatever. I want him to have the best experience in there.

But what do you really want? Do you like, are you just more like this is like love Island and that'll stay at love Island or would you be really happy if a Pepe came out looking for you? Yeah, that would be nice. But also I know how much one conversation can change everything. It's literally like one day to the next, you could feel completely different. And I think coming out, I was like, I don't know what's going to happen. I had two really, really great connections. And I don't know how either of them would play out in the outside world.

But, you know, he we did have like plans together, like for when we were out. So hopefully those fall through and follow through. And if not, then like, I really enjoyed that experience with him. And I learned a lot. All all right you gotta ask. What? Oh shit oh shit. I almost forgot I'm like she's so sweet and innocent and just this. So the spitting in the hand, were you like, did you need like moisturizer, were your hands like a little dry? Did you forget about the cameras? Was it, did you feel like it's so-

Or did you just not give a fuck? Yeah, did you just not give a fuck? Okay, for one, yeah, I feel like I was like somebody who really forgot I was being recorded like all the time. Even I think Pepe was saying like, at least we got our mics off. And I was like, there's mics in the headboard I think like I thought we were being discreet

Really and when I saw that I was gagged. I was like no It was just like the combo of like you sitting in your hand and then just like his body just back and forth. I'm like, did she just, oh, is this, oh my God. There's a lot of spitting from me this day. Did it last longer than 26 seconds though? Cause Nick, I only asked because like Nick wouldn't shut up about how brief his interaction was. I don't know, I only asked because like Nick wouldn't shut up about how brief his interaction was. I don't know, I think, yeah,

it's probably longer than 26 seconds. I don't know. I was like, I would think I was on high alert the entire time. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, when I, you gotta ask, cause like you guys are all sleeping in the same room. Are people like when, when shit's going down,

like are your bunkmates like covering their ears? Are there jokes being made? Are there like little snickers? Like are people like, do they know what's going on? I think nobody ever knew that me and Pepe were intimate at all because we would stay up for like hours talking, everyone was already asleep before like anything.

Like that was probably like three hours after we went to bed. Did you ever hear Huda and Jeremiah? Cause they were before you. Yeah. You did. Yeah, I would sleep with earplugs. Really?

Yeah. Oh my God, did it help or you like give me more? Was it like she wanted people to know? Oh, I don't really know. I think they just kissed really, really loudly. Okay, all right. You mentioned earlier that you were mad at Huda the last couple days.

I mean, obviously, Hurricane Huda, she's made a lot of waves, but was it just because of everything that we're seeing and why America seems to be frustrated with her? Are there specific things that we didn't get to see that was frustrating you about Huda? Yeah, you know, we were the two hurricanes of the villa. I think that's something me and her always joked about,

that we had our own crash outs and hurricanes. Two very different storms, I gotta be honest. Yours is like a light drizzle maybe. Yours is like, oh, it's raining. Oh, fun, I love thunderstorms. Rain boots. Yeah, Huda's was like, oh my God, are the windows closed? But I think we bonded a lot. We actually had a lot to talk about and we were really close,

but I was really close with everyone. I think we honestly really had a really good sisterhood. I think partial reasons why I was mad was I was really good friends with Iris when she came in and I don't think she was treated fairly. But what I do need to like know is like emotions are really high and I feel like we don't really think very logically. Yeah, that's fair. I was really, really mad at her just like because we did have like a lot of conversations about like my connection and like also her connection and I feel like I was there

for her a lot. So I did feel a little like, I guess like blindsided by everything. And when I left, she was like, just let you know, like I didn't, like we didn't send you home because of like us being like in a fight. And I think like we never really got our closure with that situation because she tried to like talk to me right before my elimination, but it was like a group setting. So I was kind of uncomfortable. Just because like I don't want, I would rather talk to her like one-on-one because I feel like that's when we really got together the most. I think there is a lot that's not shown, but she's a mother and like, I think that she really deserves to have like a comeback story now that Jeremiah is gone and like really find somebody that like maybe it won't be in the villa, but like, you know, use this experience to really learn and grow from it. Some people seem to think that the reason they chose you is because, you know, Sierra had just had a conversation with Nick where she was like, I want to be closed off. He was like, no, I want to be open. And then Huda obviously did not have

any connection. So a lot of people are maybe thinking that they wanted Pepe to themselves. Do you find any truth in that? Or do you think that's just ridiculous? I know that Sierra was interested in still getting to know Pepe. I just don't think there was ever really the time for that just because, you know, we were really close. We talked all, I mean, Pepe were talking all the time. So maybe potentially, I don't think that there's really a door open for Hood and Pepe at all. Cause I think he was pretty. Yeah, he seemed to slam that shot.

At least from what he told to me, he was like, oh no, no, that's not gonna happen. But you know, I would hope Sierra wouldn't do that to me. But you know, I can't control anyone else's feelings. And I think with Pepe, he was very much like, I'm not gonna force a connection with anyone that I don't have. So if something blossoms from that,

then it's what is supposed to happen. It's what's meant to be. I know you have to get going real soon, but hopefully a final question, kind of a two-part question. Other than yourself, because after Huda swerved and kind of went for Pepe, you at least said something

to her, respectfully confronted her, but I think America in general seemed to be a little frustrated with just the collective group of the women. We understand that y'all wanna support each other, but we wanted some of you women to kind of check Huda a little bit. Did that happen that we didn't get to see

or was Huda just like kind of like hard to check? I did a lot actually. And so during the milk challenge, I got milked for like two chicken to speak her mind, but I actually told Iris to pour it on me because I'm like the one that stands on business. I address everything right away. I think there was a couple of clips like during,

when Iris and Huda were having that conversation in Soul Ties and Huda was like, oh, that's my dream date. And I was like, girl, we didn't plan the date. We didn't even know we were going on date till we woke up, but they didn't include that. And I think when she was telling Iris or saying like Iris isn't a girl's girl and I was like, how is she not a girl's girl? Like she's like she was forced into a couple. So there's a couple times, like I think we all,

yeah, I think Shelly especially would also stand, we all did. We all would say things and be like, girl, you're being crazy. But like we were all being crazy at times. Like just the name of the game. Do you think you'll be friends with Huda post show after the show?

I think that we need to have like a chat, like completely offline and off camera. And I really did have a good connection with her. But I think I was really hurt. And that's things that we need to talk about. But only time will tell. I don't know how she's going to feel outside. I don't know what's going on outside. I have no clue what anyone's perception of anything is. So it's a little like, you're just kind of sitting there in your room by yourself, like thinking everything's crazy and you don't know. But yeah, everyone loves you.

You can sleep good at night knowing that everyone loves you. I think she's better because I'm like, oh, my God, everyone. I mean, listen, you know, listen, as someone who's been in your shoes before, not love Island style, but like just have fun with this whole experience, like stay offline, truly like people are fans of you. People might say shit online, who gives a fuck about any of that shit? Like we had so much fun watching you. You were an absolute delight. You played the game right. You went for it. Like, you know, you know, you should be proud of how you carry yourself and we're big fans.

Thank you. All right, Hannah, appreciate your time. I know you have to get going. Best of luck going forward. We hope to see you again somehow, some way on our television set, maybe with the Love Island challenge or whatever. Maybe there's an after show next season. You never know. So we'll see you around and best of luck.

Thank you. All right, take care. Bye bye. All right, finally we're getting into the valley here. Honestly, the only thing I wanna talk about is that stupid man therapy. I mean, who is this guy who is like, he looks like the American Idol winner, what's his name?

Chris Dottry. Chris Dottry, his clone. Like life coach that like fucking Jessie keeps bringing along. It's like, are you a life coach? Are you a bro? Are you part of the friend group? Did they just like, one of the guys in their friend group, be like, hey, do you guys wanna be our therapist?

Or two or three? When I was taking notes on this episode, I was like, who's this guy? Fake rehab, life coaches. What is like? And the way he was like, so what we're gonna do is you're going to tell me all of the things that you are struggling with and that's called a list.

It's like, that was crazy. No, that was crazy. It's like, I make one of those every day. I said no shit. A list, like groundbreaking. I'm a Virgo. And that's called a list. I make lists in my sleep.

You know that every, listen, if you're in your 30s or older and you hang out with your boys like you did in college, you're a loser. Word. You're just like, you're supposed to mature as life goes on. I don't think any of these guys are in their 30s. They're all in their 40s.

Whatever, I'm fine, but that makes them more losers. You know, I just like, at some point, you have to like grow out of old relationships. Like I'm still like friends with, you have to like grow out of old relationships Like I'm still like friends with I have I have friends from high school, but we don't talk every day You know we have lives you know we are you know and maybe if Listen if you're not lucky enough to have a family or maybe you chose not to have kids But they're filming a show they have to hang out. I don't give a shit

But don't you know but like the way they bond like this. It's just like why can, they have to hang out together. I don't give a shit, but the way they bond like this, it's just like why can't they have more, this is who this group is. I actually don't think they hang out that often when they're not filming. It's like I don't think they're that good of friends. I do think they're, fine, maybe so, maybe it's just a show, but I do think there's a lot of,

I think there's a lot of adult couples out there that still need to hang out with their friends more than they should, don't you know? I mean, if they wanna hang out with their friends, I guess I don't really care. Not that they wanna hang out with their friends, but it's just more like, this might be a show, but there is a legitimate group chat of these guys

that is a daily chat that they talk about. That's a real thing. I just don't think people who have lives and who are invested in, are waking up and messaging in some 20 deep group chat with locker room jokes. And to your point, when Jesse was to Luke, that your blind loyalty to your girlfriend.

Your girlfriend, yeah. Because where it's like, because he's in a healthy relationship and he puts his girlfriend before your needs, Jesse. That's what you're supposed to do in a marriage, let alone a relationship. Yeah, and I wanna preface. I think Luke's being dragged down by these men and Danny seems like an all right guy, a father of four, who signed up for a show that he probably regrets doing.

The way, the amount of times Danny has to apologize to this fucking cast is fucking crazy. He's apologizing every episode. He's the only one who actually takes accountability and it's for the dumbest fucking shit. And they still don't let it go. At the Mexican restaurant, Janet is getting pissed off again about the same old shit. That's what my biggest gripe with this show is right now,

is that I feel like we're still talking about the same drama over and over and over and over and over again. Like, why is Janet bringing up the wedding ring again? And who's bringing it up over and over and over again? It's like Janet knows that they're filming a reality show and she needs drama, so she's just, like, bringing shit up for no reason. Yes, my boyfriend actually made an astute observation

and he was like, she doesn't fit with what's going on in this scene, and I was like, yes, it's like watching a Real Housewife of New Jersey having lunch with Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Like, it's just like, you were just yelling at nobody at dead air. And Kristen's not even there anymore. She got up and she left five minutes ago.

I don't know who you're yelling at anymore. And all Janet can say is that she's done. Like she's done with the tear. She's done with it being intense. She's done with this. She's done with that. It's like, okay, then if you're done, then shut up. Yeah, be done.

Literally. We're waiting for you to be done. And then she's like, in the next scene, she's like, I guess I really hurt Nia's feelings because she got up crying. It's like, oh, so you do care that she was crying or you can't take it when she cries when it gets too intense.

You can't do the tears. Like which one is it? Or is it that not enough people once she left had your back, they actually said to you that was kind of fucked up and now it's like, oh, I guess I'll have some level of humility and take it back. I'm like, you're making this woman cry. She's been through enough.

Like, no, and the whole thing is you drink too much. Isn't your whole gripe with everybody else is that they drink too much? And that they're not in control of their behavior? We gotta get Luke on the show. I wanna hear what Luke really thinks of these guys. I feel like he would talk some good shit. 100%.

I also, one thing, just going back to the counselor, wasn't this counselor, Jesse's failed marriage counselor with Michelle? It was first season. He failed at keeping your marriage together. He's your personal therapist. You've shown zero growth. And now we're gonna do a men's therapist.

Is he really a therapist? He's a life coach. No, he's, yeah, he's not giving certified. It's giving accountability coach. Yeah, it's a life coach. Not a real job. I mean, it was stupid. This, honestly, the show, I'm done. Like, you don't wanna talk about being done? I think I'm done a reality coach. Not a real coach. Yeah, it's not a reality coach. I mean, it was stupid. Honestly, the show, I'm done.

You wanna talk about being done? I think I'm done with this show. It's so boring. It's so predictable. It's so dark. It's so like, it's not a fun watch. It's like every time I watch it, I'm just pissed off. There's nothing like redeemable.

It also feels like Groundhog's Day. I'm like, didn't I see this already? Well, and then it kind of feels gross too, because I'm like, whether, I mean, Danny seems to be supporting his family, doing well as a family man, but it's like they got him to essentially admit about hiding his drinking on camera.

And it's just kind of like, I'm like, okay, and now- That was the biggest breakthrough of the- And Jason's like, this is so great, this is huge that he admitted it. And I'm just like, why are you trying to put this on national television? Like, if you cared about this person, then you would want them to is huge that he admitted it. And I'm just like, why are you trying to put this on national television? Like if you cared about this person, then you would want them to work on that on their own.

Like you don't treat your actual friends this way. But then you support Jax the day he gets out of rehab being like, oh, yep, nope, you've got a drinking problem. Like I wouldn't be pointing fingers, sir, while we're working progress for the last 15 years. No, it's crazy. Moving on to next gen, the only thing, my biggest takeaway this episode,

the only thing I really wanted to discuss is, it was a, I don't think I'll do this as a parent, but the way I really empathize for Charlie, I mean, his dad seems like a real prick. And the amount- But Charlie's awful. Charlie's awful. Yeah, I know, but he's like, I get why he's awful. I get why he's awful. I get why he's awful.

He's like, you know what, actually now I kinda do wanna fuck Ariana. No, he is awful, but his dad is in every scene. He clearly wants to be famous. He's obviously the successful business person. And the way he competes with Charlie is gross. It's disgusting. To be a parent who competes with your kids

is such an... Can asking all of the early 20 year old girls, like, who's more attractive, me or Charlie? They're all like, oh, it's Todd! That's why Charlie is the way he is. His dad's like, taught him, his dad is an asshole who basically said you have to be an asshole. And his dad is obviously professionally successful.

And so Charlie his whole life has been, he might be a prick, but when they interview Charlie and he's just like, he has more memories of, like he doesn't know what it's like to feel love from his father. It's like, it's kind of sad. And it really makes Mr. Marks, you know, corky, but a good dad.

He seems like a loving father, but yeah. What is this drama going on with Gia? Well, she doesn't think there are taxes in Jersey, which is- Also not true. Well, I mean, maybe in their household. Did you see Teresa hang up on that local news channel and they were like, she's like,

that is not what I signed up for. Earlier this month, there were rumors swirling that Gia was fired following a cheating scandal at her university. Why would the show fire her for cheating at school? It sounds like it was all speculation. Yeah, what? I don't know, it sounds like it was all-

They don't fire Jack for emotionally abusing his wife. I don't think they're gonna fire Gia for cheating on a test. Sounds like it's all speculation and Andy Cohen is saying that he's not a producer of Next Gen, but it's the first time he's hearing of any discourse. What happened was that people were speculating that Gia was fired from the cast of Next Gen for, in quotes, inappropriate behavior. But Andy was like, I don't know if I knew that to be true, but I'm also not a producer. Wait, so inappropriate behavior at school or?

I don't think she's fine. I know it as like with the cast. She's not. No, it's all, it's supposedly a cheating scandal, but she said, I'm not fired from Bravo and the cheating scandal is just not true. That never happened. I also graduated two years ago and the story and this story came out like two weeks ago.

So, you know, the math is just not math thing. People are just bored. they don't have anything better to do or say or post, but no, sadly guys, I'm still on Bravo, sorry to break your hearts. Sadly guys, I'm still on Bravo. She is Teresa's daughter. Yeah, for real. Well, she is definitely one of the stars.

Honestly, like, you know, again, I'm not totally invested yet in the show, like it's a fun watch, it still has the glitz and glamour of New York. It does seem like it's a cast of Charlie aside, decent people, which says a lot, given they've had some wild upbringings. And some of them have crazy jobs.

Georgia's like, oh, I just throw events, and she's like, what, in her 20s? I don't know. It's kind of cool seeing people actually trying to make it in Manhattan with different goals, like Ariana starting a clothing brand. Ava's a very successful model with her super successful producer dad. It's just cute seeing them, the different types

of lifestyles they lead. And a lot of people have seen these kids grow up. Even the way Ava's like, I love talking to my dad because it's just so nice talking to someone who's just so sat and ready to hear everything that I have to say. And it's like, I don't know, it's cute because it's like you would think some of these people would be really out of touch

and they seem like very connected with their families. And then you have Charlie on the complete polar opposite end and they all kind of come from different places. Well, Mary said that if we didn't mention this, she would be really upset. So I'm gonna mention this. She wanted us to bring up Georgia's take on dating men in finance.

Georgia said, I don't think it's ironic that I'm dating someone in finance because he's not in finance. He's in crypto, which I think is actually the antithesis of like finance jobs. It's way more anarchist, way more radical. Georgia's an interesting one. That's a take.

I mean, you know, it's a different type of finance, but all right. Well, hopefully the Valley gets more positive. I'll have to drag Nally, you know. I'm not checked out yet. I think we have, you know, Kristen and Luke. I don't know when their only engagement episode is, but I feel like that's gonna happen soon. Cause like we do know that they are now engaged. If it's not next episode like that's gonna happen soon.

Cause like we do know that they are now engaged. If it's not next episode, that's gonna be annoying. So we'll have to watch that. And then, you know, well, let's just give, we'll give next gen some time. But up next, we got the stars of McBee dynasty, Stephen and Calla. Stephen Calla, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having us, excited to be on. Yeah, excited to be with you guys as someone who's a big Yellowstone fan, as I'm sure you guys have heard this plenty of times. It's been fun to discover this show, McBee Dynasty. I'm new to the show, I've been catching up. I've seen the first episode of this season, but what has this experience been like for y'all?

And I'm assuming you guys hear the Yellowstone reference a lot. We hear it quite a bit. And to us, it's a compliment. I love Yellowstone. I mean, I think it's one of the best series I've seen in recent years. And a lot of what is on that show is very accurate

to what takes place on a modern day farm and ranch, aside from the train station and a few other components that are not accurate. But other than that, it's a compliment. You guys don't murder a lot of people? We don't kill people. Yeah, there's no murder or anything happening behind the scenes.

But it's been an experience, it's been a journey, a roller coaster ride, and I think whenever we first hopped on reality TV for this show specifically, we said we're not gonna hide anything, we're gonna be raw, authentic, we're gonna show all of our flaws in all of their glory

I guess how about you Kayla? Um, it's really not too chaotic. I mean we Did a dating show that was the first show that we did and then obviously McBee dynasty season one was completely different than the dating show. But um, no, I mean it has its ups and downs But it's been pretty good overall No, I mean, it has its ups and downs, but it's been pretty good overall, for sure. Steven, obviously, like, you know, your dad recently kind of made some headlines getting in some legal trouble,

and it seems like he's taken a step back from the show. What is that pressure like for you, both, I guess, as the kind of the leading man of the show, but also just on a personal level? Like, how do you balance both, like, you know, the court of public opinion, being there for your family legally, what does that emotional baggage feel like dealing with?

For the last year, year and a half that this has been ongoing, not only with the show, but the legal issues as well, it's definitely cranked up the pressure. And the stress and pressure that I've felt, it's been tremendous and there's no way I would've gotten through it and gotten to this point thus far if it wasn't for how tight-knit my family is. Having Cala as support, it takes an entire team

to get through something like this, let alone run all the businesses day to day. And so I'm just very, very thankful that I do have that family support, the support from Cala, to really help me keep going through the hard times. For the audience, the people listening who may not be familiar with what's going on with your dad,

I don't know what you're allowed to say. Obviously, I'm sure there's some legal elements at play, but everyone loves a scandal. What is your family dealing with as it relates to your dad and how optimistic are you that you guys are gonna be able to work through it? Yeah, so there is an FBI investigation into my dad and some things that took place in the farming operation.

This would have been back in 2018, 2019, is what they're looking at. And we really are kept in the dark, and I'm being 100% honest when I say that, as far as what's taking place in the investigation, where we're currently at. We're hoping to have everything wrapped up by the end of this year,

but we have no idea what the fallout is going to be, what the repercussions are going to be. And so really we're just leaning on one another as a family, coming together as a family, and just really being there to support and love and show love to my dad as he goes through this. Do you know what kind of charges he's facing in terms of like potential years or, you know,

I don't know, what does that look like? It's all up in the air right now. You know, I think they're coming around to the final conclusions that they're finding. But as far as specifics go, we don't really know. I mean, it is such a wide range of what could happen. And for me specifically, I know if I let myself go down the rabbit hole and spiral to worst case scenario, it's a pretty dark place.

So I try not to think about worst case scenario and just focus on the task at hand, the businesses that we run day to day, and the positives that we have going on. Because we do have so many good things going on. And I hate to say that you compartmentalize, but you try to do your best to do that. Yeah, 100%.

I mean, I know you mentioned obviously some of the train station aside, but back to the Yellowstone comparison, there was a lot of storylines between just the federal government and running the farm, and just the difference of opinions of how things should operate. It's kind of fascinating the correlation between your guys' show and kind of a fictional

scripted show like Yellowstone. There's a quote in Yellowstone and I think it was maybe John Dutton that said it, he said, "'You build something worth having "'and everyone's gonna try and take it from you.'" And that is so applicable to a real life modern day farm and ranch, especially one of our size. Seems like every single day we wake up to a new fight,

a new battle coming from somewhere. And like I said, if we didn't have the family support and love, we would never be able to take on what we do day in and day out. Do you feel like the attention that the show has gotten has in a way put more of a spotlight on you guys in terms of what the FBI and the charges your family's facing?

Without a doubt, yeah, it's not even a question. And we knew that there was some inherent risk in having a platform and there are so many good things that come with having a platform, but obviously you do have some downsides too and that for sure is one of them. So obviously this is a show that kind of seems not to be your normal Bravo show.

A lot of the Bravo shows are taking places in cities and why do you feel like this show is something that your average Bravo fan, you know, should start paying attention to? Because it is so different from the other Bravo shows that are out right now. It just adds that extra factor to it, don't you think? Yeah, I would say so.

And I can't speak for everyone else's shows, you know, as far as the authenticity or how real they are. I can speak for our own and say that there is not one element of this show that was scripted or preconceived. Like this is our day-to-day, our everyday lives. What you see on camera is how our lives are off camera, 24-7, 365.

Yes, unfortunately, some of the times, yes. Yeah. It's funny, I don't think a lot of people realize this, but you guys met on Joe Millionaire. Yep. We did, and on a dating show. Yeah. Yeah, that's, and how'd you end up on that show, Calla?

So I was reached out to on Instagram. This was, I was right out of a relationship. This was what, three years ago? Four years? Yeah, it had been the first part of 2021. Yeah, so it was a while ago, but they were judged me on Instagram and I had like 2000 followers at the time

and I was like, why not? I'm freshly single. And so went on the show, had no idea the concept of the show, what it was called, anything like that. But yeah, that was wild time. It was. Yeah, for me, it was the same thing.

They reached out on Instagram, and where my farm is, where my farmhouse is, I live five miles from my nearest neighbor. So you hop on a dating app, and I think the circle, the radius you can expand is like 100 or 150 miles. And I would expand that thing all the way, and I still couldn't reach a major city.

So you're fishing in a very, very, very small pond in a small town like that. And I was like, okay, conventional dating styles are not working here. Maybe a dating show will be the way to go. Yeah, I mean, it must have been wild for you like having all these, I'm assuming beautiful women show up and pickings must be slim in a small town.

Yes. Oh, he made sure to make out with every single person on that show. He was like getting his fix. I enjoyed the show. It was fun. So what set Calla apart from the rest of them? I just think that we have a lot of similar values,

family values for sure. And so she born and raised in Dallas, grew up in some suburbs of Chicago, moved back to Dallas. So she's a Midwestern girl at heart. There was a, the majority of the women were from West coast, East coast. So there was a lot of things that we, you know, we just struggled to find similarities

on me being from the Midwest. And I think Calla and I just hit it off right from the very get-go. Yeah, we're also pretty opposite when it comes to a lot of things, but I think that helped our relationship too. We really balanced each other out in a lot of ways. For sure.

Do you ever take him out back to the city, Cala? Occasionally. We've gotten dressed up a few times. Yeah, yeah, he'll pull out a collar shirt every now and then. I never lose the boots and help him out. Yeah, yeah, the boots and the hat stay, but yeah, we've enjoyed ourselves in Dallas.

What can people expect this season on McBee Dynasty? Is it mostly drama, is it love? What are we looking at and what can people look forward to? Oh, it's a mix of it all. I mean, you have the interpersonal relationships. You have my dad and his women, and I say that plural, that he is dating and all of the issues that fall out from that and what us boys have to pick up from all of his dating and issues that he is dating and all of the issues that fall out from that and what us boys have to pick up

from all of his dating and issues that he has. You have Cal's and I's relationship, which has its roller coaster ride throughout the season. My brother's getting married, another one has a baby on the way. Don't forget Galena. Yeah, Galena, who is our CFO slash my dad's ex-girlfriend, who my dad is now dating her best friend,

ex-best friend, so that's just messy enough as it is. So you put all these elements together, then you throw an FBI investigation and trying to run a farm and ranch day to day. And it's a mess, it's a train wreck, but it's a fun train wreck to watch for everyone. How do you keep that mental health afloat, Steven? A lot of evening walks on the farm,

walking up and down some of my driveways, about a mile long gravel drive, and we'll go walking up and down that about three or four times a day, especially on the high anxiety days. And Calla, and I was watching episode one, I believe it was you, but you opened up, you've dealt with some tragedy in your family as well.

Yes, my sister, my little sister, Mallory, she passed away last year, two months before we started filming. I'm very sorry to hear that. Thank you. Um, yeah, it's been a very difficult year. It still is very difficult for me to think about and talk about, but yeah, you see that unfold and everything was happening in real time and just me going through the process of grieving

and processing all of those emotions plays out on the show. Yeah, that must be tough. So how do you guys come together, the two of you? Because usually when relationships deal with some difficult times, it either brings you closer together or breaks you apart. How do you feel like it brings you guys closer together? I would say hindsight's 20-20.

And this season two, getting to watch it back, is really a good self-reflection for how I was or was not there for Calla and the way that she needed us to be there. You know, and I think it's just, it's a good showing for my family and I and just understanding that, hey, you know, some of the ways that we acted, some of the ways that we acted,

some of the ways that we were there to support or did not support Cala, if I could do it all over again, I would probably have changed the way that I acted, some of the things that I did or said, but you get to watch all of this unfold on season two. For better or worse, highs and lows, we lay it all out there. All right, well, I appreciate you guys taking the time.

McBeat Dynasty is now on Bravo. It used to be on PCAC. It's one of the few shows that's gone in that direction. It is at 9 p.m. June 30th, it comes out. So be sure to check it out. Congratulations to you guys on another season of McBeat Dynasty. Wishing you guys the best of luck,

and I hope everyone tunes in. Thank you very much. Thank you for having us. I appreciate you guys, take care. All right, thank you to all of our guests, Paul, Cher, Hannah from Love Island, Steven and Kella from McBee Dynasty. We will see you next week, which will be a shortened week,

an adjusted week next week, but coming back on Reality Recap, we will break down the new released cast of Perfect Match Since this episode's already forever logged, but we'll do that so much more talk Little Love Island. Enjoy your weekend. We'll see you then. Bye