The WAN Show - Amazon Owes Us $2.5 Billion - WAN Show September 26, 2025

Episode Date: September 27, 2025

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or go to explorevolvo.com. what is up ladies and gentlemen welcome to wancho theater i'll be your host linus sebastian and luke will be there and i will probably talk over him a lot but not right now because he isn't talking we've got a great show lined up for you guys today uh one of the big headline topics this week is of course that amazon will pay $2.5 billion in a settlement for their prime subscription traps. Freakin got them. Probably not enough, but hey, at least it's some semblance of justice. In other news, this is cool, Google reveals that its Android PC is coming in 2026.

That's right, the often-rumored merging of Android and ChromeOS in top. one dark, unholy, ad-driven platform. Well, doesn't sound like that's quite what's happening, so... I was so mesmerized by your speech. I don't have anything repaired at all. Nice. That was fascinating. Spam GPT is a thing, and it's going to suck. And I think it might already be happening. Actually, it looks really good. What? Which is bad.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, big time. The other one is, oh, this made me question things. We'll read more about it. Ascent Rivals, the game I showed out last week, has like really strong crypto connections, maybe. Oh, that's a headline top. No. It doesn't matter.

The point is. The show is brought to you today by Corsair, Factor, and Rove Lab, along with our Rapp partner, D-brand, our laptop partner, Delano, our chair partner, Secret Lab. Why do we jump right into our headline topic? This is a really great, uncharacteristically good question from YouTube chat, uh, and the scrolling broke. Nope. Chauwi Gamba says Amazon owes everyone two and a half billion

or Amazon owes you two and a half billion. Us, the collective us, that's the title. Amazon owes us two and a half billion and us actually in this case doesn't even include us because this appears to be a U.S. thing. To settle an FTC lawsuit that accused Amazon of deceptive prime enrollment and cancellation strategies,

the company will end the practice. This is a nice little W, we call it. will end the practice and pay a one billion dollar civil penalty and send out one and a half billion dollars in refunds to 35 million customers it is the largest FTC penalty ever in a case involving an FTC rule violation and the refunds are the second highest restitution award ever obtained by FTC action so uh bravo FTC I mean Luke and I and I and I And everyone knows how Amazon Prime and Barley grows. Like, it has been such an obvious, blatantly anti-consumer approach that Amazon has taken with their prime subscriptions pretty much since ever.

And the kinds of mazes that they created. Wasn't it your grandfather that couldn't figure out how to cancel his prime? And he had, like, multiple subscriptions or something like that? Yeah. Like, the whole thing was just nasty. And it's nice to see for freaking. Once, for freaking once, these agencies actually hold companies account with nice big fines that might actually incentivize them to do things properly going forward.

Now, I obviously would have preferred if that one click to cancel thing had gone through because Yeah, big time. Like, we're in Canada, right? So we don't necessarily benefit from things that the FTC does in the U.S. except that a lot of the time we do because whatever flies in a company's biggest market tends to kind of trickle over into various other markets it's one of the reasons that I

it's often not worth building all the differentiation am holding this iPhone right now that has a USBC port on the bottom because you can bet your bottom dollar that if the EU wasn't a large enough market for Apple they would have either just sort of flip them off and not bothered to ship iPhones there or they would have

Actually, no, I guess this has nothing to do with them being a large enough market, but the point is they could have also segmented them out and just had lightning everywhere else in USBC there, but clearly the EU was big enough for them to not just walk away from it and not, yeah, that's it, not just walk away from it and refuse to make a USBC phone.

I suspect they were worried about Capicot. I think they were worried about copycat action and wanted to get out ahead of it. Copycat? Yeah, if like the U.S. did the same thing. Oh, sure, yeah. And then, and then, because if they do, if they, if they don't have that happen, then I think they're at lower risk of other things being thrown at them.

Yeah, anyways. The FTC specifically requires Amazon to use a clear and conspicuous button for customers to decline prime and stop using buttons as cancellation deterrence with text such as, no, I don't want free shipping. They need to go after a lot of other places then, too. Uh, yep. Because there's like, if you book a flight, it's always like, no, I want to be like unsafe or whatever. Like, I don't want my trip to be whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Oh, dude. Just relax. Insurance, like, oh. I had, I had, I was trying to close Lenovo Vantage today. And it was like, do you want it to show up in your system tray? And what, it was yes or later? which seemed so crazy to me I was like what is later me

I clicked later to figure it out and later was just no dude any message on any one of my devices that doesn't have a do not show this again makes me want to just freaking dude I get this notification from my watch

like every other day that's like high power usage when you use always on screen and do all this stuff that makes your watch work as a watch. And all I can do is dismiss it. I can't say, I don't care. Never, ever. Oh, here it is.

High power usage. My only option, check this out. My only option is, got it. That's it. I have clicked got it. 100 bazillion times since I started using the one plus

2R. Now, okay, I don't want to go off the I don't want to go off the rails and and say something that's not right. So I'll happily, I don't know, apps, app notifications, show all, no, okay. So if there's something in here that gives me the option to not have it warn me about that, then get notified when battery use issues are found. Okay, I did find that in settings. Is that, is that that?

Either way, when you give me a notification, I don't want to have to go digging three levels into a menu to say I don't care about this notification never send it to me again I'd love to talk about Microsoft Teams every single cot-tang time

I sign into teams on my account which is a lot because I have my home computer I have my laptop I have my work computer I have my phone actually you know what it's pretty good about not signing you actually know it does sign you out on the phone for a bit so I sign into teams a lot It's kind of a hobby for me, signing into Microsoft Teams.

Every time I sign in, it asks, do you want to let the organization manage your device? And it also asks, do you want to sign in system-wide or just this app? It asks you that every time? Every single time. That's actually weird. I do not have that experience. Then, and this is fun, then it asks, hey, do you want to stay signed in? so you don't have to do this all the time

and I click yes. I know it isn't going to work but I click it anyway. I click yes every time. I click yes every time because I do not want to be prompted to sign in constantly. Someday I dream.

I dream of a day when that button will work. It'll be grand. It's not this day. But it is not this day. The courage of Microsoft to keep giving you the same message will fail

but it is not this day I do wonder like I read a headline um Microsoft splitting off

teams from office yeah that's the thing in the EU now right but I thought this was going to end up happening everywhere man we're talking about like clicking too many things

I Google that and Google's like do you want to try AI mode no get out of my way oh Yes, Microsoft is in the process of unbundling Microsoft Teams from its Office 365 and Microsoft 365 Enterprise Suites globally.

Wow. Nice. Apparently it'll become a... Oh, for new customers. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I think this is going to happen to everyone eventually. I'm really wondering what that's going to do to Teams, because Teams is, in my opinion,

just objectively not a very good communications platform for, like, a bunch of reasons tons we've gone over them many times his take not mine um i don't disagree but the word objectively is kind of scary like you could say something as simple as i can objectively this frequency response curve is even farther outside of what would be an ideal frequency response curve and people would get like really fucking mad about it like you could say something as simple as that why i say that though yeah because in communications there's you know how there's like the whole body language and stuff like that it is difficult to tell if things are working in teams they they because it's like this seem to it's got all the body language

no it's there's there's things like the you know okay the box around your picture has like a border that lights up when your mic is activated for the other person so the other person looking at you talking your little box will have the thing okay cool sounds good almost every other platform just does the same thing for you. Yeah. Teams does not. Unacceptable. They finally listened to it.

Okay, but I have a real problem. They listen to the feedback and they decided to make it so that the mute icon microphone way up in the corner will slightly fill up whenever you're talking. No. Which is just terrible. I have a real complaint about Teams. Teams is trying to destroy my monitor. So I have an OLED at home.

Okay. And one of the things that I do to keep my O-Lid, you know, not burned in, is I auto-hide my taskbar. If I have an unread message in Teams, my taskbar will not hide. Drives me absolutely bat-crap crazy because it could be a message that I have already addressed on my phone. But my task bar will just be open. They're trying to burn the task bar into my monitor. Yeah. So I can't use auto-hidepressing.

hide taskbar. Teams. Teams feels extremely half-baked to me. Yeah, I don't know. I could genuinely talk about it for like hours. Flat out wrong. Nothing provides better integrated platform. That matters more in enterprise, bigger companies, compliance, smaller companies. Do you want me to ban him? I'll ban him. No, that just has nothing to do at all with what I was talking about. So it doesn't really matter. But the thing that I was discussing was teams itself and teams being good, not its ability to integrate with other things. Its ability to integrate with other things is pretty good. I don't think it's actually necessarily the best. Um, but yeah, that just, that just actually has nothing to do with. And to be clear, we obviously choose to use it. Yeah, because it's cheap as dirt,

which is the reason why almost everyone uses it. And a lot of companies need something else that's in Office 365, which is again, why they end up using it. Um, it's, it's like used out of convenience. It's used out of the reasons that the handyman just pointed out, which is that it's like integrated with so many other things. It's almost like that's why Microsoft managed to get to where they are today at all. Because it's there. It's not used because it's good. And I'm wondering if that will be really changing at all with this decoupling.

I seriously doubt it because even if it's decoupled, it's still there. And it will still just work with a lot of the other things that most companies happen to need. It's remarkable how often. the first like six seconds of a team's call are cut off. Yep. WhatsApp works. Yep. I was trying to think of something else that doesn't work.

Like FaceTime. Can you remember the last time you made a FaceTime call? And just like the first five seconds of it was both sides being like, can you hear me? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? It happens constantly on teams. That happens to me on literally no other modern communication platform other than teams. And it is a constant problem on teams.

That's great. Chatby like it has a built-in. millennial pause. Yeah, it really does. Teams seems to be really obsessive about screwing around with your audio devices in really weird ways as well, which is odd and doesn't make any sense to me. All right. Teams is boring.

Let's move on. Yeah. Why don't we talk instead about how Microsoft will be using AI to make AI better. Okay, that sounds really boring and sucky, but hold on. It's actually incredibly interesting. With microfluidic cooling. channels. Microsoft is using AI

to map hotspots. Do you want to click the Microsoft announcement? I think they had some pictures in there. Yes. Is using AI to map hotspots in its AI accelerators individually. So that is on each unique chip, then laser etching

hair-sized channels to pump coolant through them. The channels bring coolant into direct contact with the silicon. Microsoft says inside the silicon. Forbes says passing over it. Forbes is almost certainly more correct than Microsoft here.

Sorry, Microsoft. Inside the silicon would break it. Both the method and the AI are from specialized Swiss startup, Corinthus. Microsoft has claimed a 3x improvement to cooling compared to traditional cold plates. The channels need to be deep enough to circulate. coolant without clogging, but not weaken the silicon enough to break. Four design iterations

were produced in just the last year, and the chips needed to be designed with a leak proof package. What? That's wild. Dude, this is so cool. Yeah, I was worried about playing the video because... Yeah, whatever. It's from Microsoft. It should be

fine. Realistically, for Microsoft to be, like... Is that nuts? Isn't that nuts? Like, go back. Go back to that. That was... Dude, that, that That's crazy. Look at this. That's nuts.

So you just plumb the coolant directly up to the problem. Are you kidding me right now? Actually, okay. Do you think we could do it? Ourselves? Well, not obviously. We wouldn't have the microfluid channels. Yeah.

But do you think we could seal something against a board well enough to just like pump coolant into it right to the dye? Yeah. Yeah. You think so? I think so. Not anywhere near... I mean, that was a render,

but not anywhere near as clean as I think they're proposing that they're going to be doing it. Like, I don't think we'd be able to do it on a desktop socket, just because then you have the socket to contend with. But if we were to do it on like a framework motherboard or something like that, and just basically, like, you know, use the cock. Just put all the cock around the CPU. We'll need a lot of cock. A lot.

And then just, just plumb it in there. Just lay on the cock. just lay on it Yep And then Like what kind of shape would we need It'd have to be like It couldn't go all the way around

Because you'd have to have an opening Yeah You'd have to have an opening Maybe a flat side So it'd kind of be It'd be like the D Somewhere Yeah

Yeah Yeah Yeah Anyway the point is The reason that I wanted to talk about this The reason this is like a main topic Rather than You know like

Whatever they're called Rapid Fire topic is because I saw something really cool today and I know it's not going to make you jealous because you're going somewhere cooler than me next week but wait what? No, I'm excited to hear it. Oh, okay. But it was very cool.

So our bros over at Simon Fraser University here in beautiful British Columbia. Last time you worked with them, it was sick. How long ago do you think that video was? Six years. It was eight years ago. Whoa. I thought I was shooting relatively high.

That's the face I made. Oh my God. Because I looked it up. Because I wanted to grab a B-roll clip from the last time as I was writing the script. And I was like, you've got to be getting me right now. That's nuts. Yeah. The last time we worked with them was eight years ago.

And at that time, they were rolling out, I believe it's codename Cedar. Canada's fast. supercomputer. Well, guess what, baby? This time, things are getting furry, if you know what I'm saying. Beaver? Code named fur. Oh, yeah. They're named after trees. Cool. Yeah. So this time around, they just rolled out their fur supercomputing cluster, and it makes Cedar look like it's made of wood. Like, it's, dude, Cedar is like hobo garbage compared to fur. It's amazing. there have you already seen it i was there this week yeah so so the reason that i felt it was related to this is that we haven't actually gotten many opportunities to look at liquid cooling in the data

center so we did that thing with equinix a little while back but and they had some liquid cooled racks but they were inside a cage that belonged to a customer because that's equinix's business right i got to see it at ovh well i didn't go there we couldn't look at certain things too closely and stuff I got to look at everything. So because SFU are the actual owners of the systems, they were like, yeah, fuck it. We're going to pull a couple out of prod. And so both a CPU node and a GPU node,

we got a chance to go right hands on with direct-to-die cooling systems. We saw the liquid distribution units that go down at the end of the aisle. we like got to oh my god they're beautiful so man they're okay so they had CPU nodes and GPU nodes as part of the cluster and the CPU nodes

are 1U okay 192 cores yeah wait hold on did I say 192 cores no no that's wrong sorry 1U 2 nodes per you

192 cores per node so these are almost to 400 cores per 1U and there isn't a single fan in them not one. It's just all water cooled. The CPUs are liquid cooled. The memory is liquid cooled. The Nick is liquid cooled. The SSD bay is freaking liquid cool. Everything is liquid cooled. And then the GPU

the GPU one obviously adds the GPUs to that. So they're using chilled liquid from the outside of the building. They've got evaporative cooling towers. So they pull those in. Those go to their water doors. So they have the same rear doors that they had last time. Did you watch the video last time? I mean, it was eight years ago.

I wouldn't believe you for forgetting. I mean, I don't remember, but yes. But basically, you pull ambient air in the front of the rack. It gets superheated, essentially. Well, not superheated in like a scientific sense. But it gets heated up, okay? And then it comes out the back. and then they have, they force the hot air through a door that is a big radiator that has chilled

liquid running through it, about 16 degrees Celsius. And then by the time it gets crapped out into the aisle, it's just room temperature. So they don't have a traditional hot aisle, cold aisle setup. They just have hot inside of the rack and then two cold aisles, essentially. A decent amount of this sounds pretty similar to OVH's setup. So they still have water doors on the back, and that just handles any waste heat from the power supply, any networking that's inside the cabinet, anything like that. So they pump the primary loop right into those water doors.

So that's the glycol loop that goes out to the cooling towers. Then they go from the water doors to the cooling distribution units that are liquid distribution, LDUs, whatever they're called. It's in the video. So those are at the end of the aisle. And then they've got a huge heat exchanger in those. And when I say huge, I mean fucking massive. 600 kilowatts.

600,000 watts heat exchangers in these things. It's enough to make a man all hot and bothered. And then so those have redundant pumps. What's that, Mr. Daniel Besser? Sorry about that. I need a minute, 600,000 watts. Yeah, I know, right? How big are they?

They're not that big. No? No, they're not that big. Like the size of a building or like a room? No, no, they're just at the end of the rack. They look like a regular... How is that possible? A regular cabinet.

It's just a big heat exchanger, man. that one in my in my basement yeah it's only like this big i forget i forget how many freaking watts that thing does but it's a lot like i exchange is pretty nuts yeah crazy fluid to fluid heat exchange man it's efficient right anyway um so 600 000 watt heat exchanger and then they've got redundant pumps in there and those pump the secondary loop which goes directly to the system so you don't need glycol because it's all indoors you don't actually go outside to the cooling towers okay um so that is different then. Oh, okay. Is that different? I believe so.

Okay. If I'm remembering everything correctly. Most setups would have a primary and a secondary loop and they would use heat exchangers. But, you know, maybe. No, I mean, I think OVHs all go outside. Do they? I think so. So just primary loop. I believe so.

No secondary loop. Okay. Don't quote us, and that might not be true of every data center. I also just might not remember correctly. That they've done necessarily. Okay, so what was I, what was I talking about next? Oh, yes. Oh, dude, like, it's crazy. So I was actually able to like, because they're SFU systems. There's no concerns about customer security or privacy or whatever.

So we're freaking, we're freaking opening up like the heat exchanger cabinet. I'm like, oh, I wonder which size is the hot side. Put my freaking hands on them. Like, dude, it's crazy. So the hot side's like almost 40 degrees or something like that. And so that goes into the heat exchanger. And then that goes to, I think the coolant coming out of the water doors is like it starts at 16 and a half. It goes up to like 18 or 20 or something like that.

Dude, and the side of these liquid distribution units, they have like a touchscreen LCD on them that just shows like both loops and all the temperatures and pump RPMs and everything they've got all the telemetry if only I had 82 million Canadian dollars then I too could have that also I'd have to have somewhere to put it

I know a lot of schools actually do have quite a bit of money but I wonder like that's a lot of money for like student project stuff I wonder what they're doing like student projects research stuff yeah this is research This is research. I would imagine they might even lease out some of this compute.

I don't actually know that for sure. But I do know that the funding came from a combination of the federal government, the provincial government, and then also in-kind discounts from the providers. So they mentioned Lenovo. Shoot, I'm going to forget who they are. They also mentioned the brand that did the cooling and one other brand. But they all get, they're all shouted out at the end of the video. it was an absolutely incredible tour though it was my first time getting to go full nuts and bolts hand on hands on with and like i gotta say man the loop layouts in these things are like wild like completely defy every law of efficient water cooling loop layout logic what do you mean how so like they are full of 90 degree bends oh they're everywhere and like

they've got they've they're using these like teeny tiny like one eighth inch tubes inside there's like manifolds everywhere the whole thing doesn't look particularly balanced for flow restriction like do they just have like insane pressure and don't care like um but so they're taking a one eighth inch looks like a one eighth inch tube maybe it's quarter inch i don't know how thick the walls are because it's all copper huh it's copper everywhere it's beautiful and they take that one like one eighth inch maybe one quarter inch tube, and it goes to a manifold that goes to those four GPUs, each of which is 700 watts. Oh, did I even mention the GPU nodes are 1U, have 48 CPU cores. They can actually do dual CPUs.

You could put 192 cores in there. And then they have four H-100s in each one-U, not a single fan, not one. How much is an H-100? Don't worry about it. About 30 grand. I thought it was H-200. I don't think they're priced that differently. Oh.

And these are H-100 80 gigs, which are like the better H-100. And then the H-200 has even more memory, if I recall correctly, but uses the same Hopper architecture. Yeah, some of these are real expensive. Yeah. See, 40K for one of them, but it's from a reseller, so I have no idea what people are actually buying them for. Yeah, and, you know, that completely ignores any in-kind discounts that you get as an educational institution. or whatever. SFU wasn't able

to tell me what they paid for them so we just kind of used word on the street pricing for them yep they did say

the total budget though was 82 million Canadian dollars so that's basically all the money in Canada so did they did they decommission

Cedar yeah they had they actually I couldn't quite tell if they were joking or not so I said no thanks I'm good

but they offered to just like hand me a node and like you know they were like need any SSDs her I'm pretty sure they were kidding but I didn't want to get anybody in trouble so I just I just said no

and laughed along and we didn't take anything out and they nothing left their facility everything's good everything's chill but I'm pretty sure they were joking but no it was just pieces of cedar were just sitting on racks just I mean it was eight years ago what are you going to do with it?

No who's going to want an eight year old super I mean, we talked about this on WAN Show. Remember when that, like, used to be a top 10 supercomputer or whatever it was, was for sale on eBay? You remember that, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we basically, so many people linked it to me, and we're like, Linus, you should buy a supercomputer. And it's like, not necessarily, because while the processors and maybe the memory might have some value, those platforms are basically garbage because they cost more to run than they're worth to run,

which is why they're being decommissioned because the new stuff is so much more efficient that by the time you spend all that money on power you're way better off just buying new stuff and powering that instead of running the older stuff uh yeah was it was it Cheyenne was that was that the one that was for sale

I forget it was it was one of it was well it was a major supercomputer supercomputer that might be the one Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cheyenne's supercomputer sold at auction for half a million dollars. So, I mean, when this thing would have been purchased, it would have been a flippin fortune. This is loading too slow, and I'm actually not that invested in anymore. What are we supposed to be doing next, Dan?

You're a little early, so you can keep doing more topics if you want. We don't have, like, a ton of topics this week, so why don't we just keep going to keep going. All right, those of you who are new to the WAN show, we don't do super chats, we don't do Twitch, bits. We do merch messages because the way we see it, when you throw your money at the screen, you should get something thrown right back in your face.

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If anything, I would say the more experience I get, the more I realize that I don't know and the fewer things I can assume. I mean, let's look at Whale-Land, for instance. Sure. When we acquired that building for the badminton club and then also we wanted to do quarterly gaming events, I kind of went, well, it's got lots of space, it's got lots of power,

we work out a deal with the neighbors, we get some parking in here, everything should be fun. How long ago was that? Two years? Three? Two years, I think. It was two years. It was two years.

You bought the building two years ago? Oh, easy. I thought it was more than that. Oh, I mean, we might have like, commercial real estate moves slow. We might have, like, signed papers way before. I don't remember when we signed papers. Because remember, too, it was only going to be half the size. And then by the time we actually made a video about it, it was two sides.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had to go tear up most of the blueprints and redo them, and it was the whole thing. anyway. The point is that we are now a couple of years in and the first whale in is tomorrow. So

oh yeah, okay, and homes, you know, look how long the home Renault took. And that's a reno. And to be clear, there are a lot of things that would have gone faster with a ground-up build. But there's also a lot of things that might not have. And that we might have overlooked. Dude, when we were shopping for,

our current place? Oh, wow. We probably saw 40-50 properties like during the course of the multiple years that we were shopping, our poor realtor.

We tried to go to a lot of open houses and stuff so that we didn't have to like, you know, drag him out. But the point is we saw a lot of places.

And I think Luke has actually been to the neighborhood where Yvonne and I saw a lot of places and there's a lot of custom homes there. Oh, yeah.

A lot of, a lot of well. well-intentioned and, uh, creative, weird stuff. Creative, first-time home designers. You know, if it works perfectly for you and you live there forever. Yeah. Who cares? Like, I remember seeing this one place that was like, I was like, why isn't this

selling? It's huge and it's priced so well. Like, it was probably like 7,000 square feet or something. And we get to it and we realize, oh, this only has three bedrooms in it. Because they had two kids, and they were like, well, why would we need another bedroom? That's all we need. And that's great. But unless you have another small family that wants to live in, like, a mega-sized house that just has all these, like, spaces that don't seem to have any purpose, then good luck selling.

What about the second billiards of room? Exactly. We saw it. One of the places that we saw had a ballroom in it. Yeah. which like sure I'm not kidding

you're doing a lot of gala probably not like if you're into it not so much that's wonderful and I'm I'm happy for you but I do not

I do not ballroom or I well that depends are we talking like plastic orbs cargo per oh

because then I'm super into it anyway yeah so it was like this comically big house with just like three bedrooms in it. And I was like, okay, yeah, that doesn't really make a ton of sense. So people don't tend to build what's balanced. They tend to build what works perfectly for them.

And I think we've seen enough of what's perfectly designed for me to know that that probably wouldn't appeal to anyone else. So building that house would legitimately be a terrible idea unless I were to sort of temper my specific needs and build something that is better suited for the general populace. in which case... And then almost, what's the point? Why do I bother? Yeah. I should just buy a house that's a professional design. Honey, why's the server room bigger than the living room?

To fit all the computers, obviously. Okay. What if you worked with an architect who... I thought you were supposed to. Took just vague ideas and made you something cool. I mean, at that point, though, I mean, I guess the main reason that I wouldn't bother is that we already found a house that was damn close in terms of the bones

and then extensively modified it. Your place's layout is super cool and very unique. My layout is like perfect at this point. Never seen a place like that. It's not perfect, but it's perfect for me. We did change a lot. But your needs and wants are going to change so perfect is never really going to fit anyways.

Dude, my eldest is going to be like moved out in like five years. Right? sure crazy in this economy yeah I kind of doubt it depends on how well you set them up where I don't know on campus

I don't know renting with friends roommates yeah that's really expensive these days it depends on how much you're helping out that might be a commute that's a long commute it depends what's cool

yeah that's fair enough Skytrain's coming out here that's right yeah that's true that's true either way my point is we will legally be an adult in that time

yeah like that's mind blowing that's weird my SFU tour was eight years ago you know when he was like this high time is flying too fast dude I was talking about um

it manufacturers say yeah the other day because I was talking about like you know I think it's been three four years since we've made one of those Three, four years, dude I thought that was the last one that came up When I looked at it I mean, you can check

Hold on, I'll go Luke laptop here Loup Laptop Reair Great Thanks, Laptop or any air Laptop in the air Anyway Four years ago Oh, okay, all right

Has there been one since then? I don't think so Yeah, so four years And it was probably years Before that one since we had looked at that series. Something I did find, though, is that... Hey, hey, hey, look, I'm always the victim.

I'm never to blame. That's good to know. No, no, you gotta go higher. Is that new? Oh, no, that's that one. Eight months ago. Hold on. No, hold on.

That's not up there. Yeah, that's a holy... But the actual, like, manufacturers say once. They, like, always banged. They did really well, basically, every time. I was talking about that series in general and, like, how it started with, like the gigabyte black backplate thing and all that chaos um and i i realized that the gigabyte

backplate video is like ancient oh yeah it's like that was 10 years ago yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah gigabyte painted their backplates black or something to like help with heat emission they were copper backplates were they oh right it was right over the gp u die and they said it would like they said it would lower it by three degrees i'm pretty sure yeah and the real thing was that they're old backplates were really bad. So you could either have this copper backplate or just no backplate. And it would have been fine. And it would have been fine.

But having their old backplates like increase the temperature. So it was a benefit versus having their old bad one. If I, I think that's how it was. But you'd have to watch that old video. And I think you'd have to watch the like Instagram video, I think that we posted. Because they like called me, their board called me at like three in the morning or something i still have no idea how they got my phone number um they have their viz yeah and then they they um they like push for me to take the video down and we were just like

no uh but they but they were like okay we can have our engineers like correct your information for you i was like okay their engineers told us the like yeah it's versus our old bad backplate versus nothing it's it's zero change this was like a technical marketing issue so i brought that to their board and was like this is what you Your people told me. And they were like, okay, please post like an update. And I was like, you don't want me to do this. And they were like, no, please do it.

And I was like, okay. And then it was just bad. Yeah. I don't know. The whole thing was weird. I probably reach out to manufacturers before we post the videos. I think we learned that bit. I mean, we weren't even wrong on that one.

Not that we're not going to post it. Yeah. But I think we don't need to like jump scare people. That's true. They can at least know it's coming. That's true. We do have a process now where the, the partnerships team

gets the schedule of what videos are coming so they can at least be like hey be ready yeah yeah which is like we were gonna post it anyways yeah but like you know at least yeah I think the I think the the the the the sheet for it is like brand on safe videos upcoming

and they don't they don't interfere with the editorial team but you know it's just nice for them to be to be ready to prepare their inbox yeah yeah to receive an email they knew exactly what they're doing all publicity's good publicity no as much as i slammed them i actually don't agree there was there was people on that call that called me that had genuinely no idea at all what was happening and they thought the claim was real they right read it just the way that i did and assumed that it was a real thing that they were claiming and they assumed that they were not lying someone saw this data

either misinterpret it or construed it in some way and then that got through and got published big companies stuff happens it turns out that when you have a thousand or 10,000 or a hundred thousand people they are not all marching in lockstep yeah and like that doesn't work like that okay no it doesn't make it good no but what What it does make it is not malicious. It's understandable most of the time. Sometimes it totally is. Sometimes it seems to be totally malicious.

I don't know that this one was. I doubt it. In my opinion, I suspect someone in the technical marketing team just didn't understand and just was like, oh, yeah, I see number went up by three. So it goes up by three. Very good. I mean, you would be amazed how much of the marketing and sales teams of even like very, very broad oddly speaking, very technical companies, don't know that much about tech. This is also, I have also heard from many different people that work in the industry that work on the products themselves.

I've heard from them about being very frustrated with the technical marketing teams and how they've taken certain claims and exaggerated them. Well, that's the thing, is they're good at sales. They're good at marketing. They are not necessarily good at tech and don't necessarily care. about that because it has nothing to do with their KPIs and the reality of it is that you might say well then if these companies fault

for not hiring more technical people to do sales and marketing but you gotta understand sales and marketing have to talk to people I'll leave the rest of it unsaid yeah and again it doesn't make it okay it doesn't make it good I just understand

that's that's all and we have and if we want to diagnose still release the video and if we want to find a way to move forward we have to understand these things because it's our job to work in this industry you know forever uh so it is what it is yep another one uh sure oh was that still a merchment yeah that was one okay sure you made a computer including a case for the youtubeer at winter garden that's not really a question he now needs a storage server for his external hard drive collection of all his work you want to help it maybe and yes want your stickers um that was a super cool build

I don't know if you ever saw that one the wood PC it had the like working wooden gears like motorized I probably did hold on yeah hold on it was it was pretty cool yeah the amazing wooden PC yeah I remember that one yeah years ago go that was awesome it was sponsored by solid works um that's his that's not ours this is ours so we basically laser etched a thing and then we we made these gears turn which was which was super cool um we haven't really done as much hey we built a wild PC that was sort of like themed in this way lately i missed those i liked those a lot i think that's something that we could do more of what i will say is it was something that started to not perform as well oh um um um

I mean, remember, it kind of felt like it had a bit of a, a bit of a, a, um, a rise in popularity, kind of like, you know, game-themed modded PCs back in the day. Like, you'd go to trade shows and a booth like G-skill, for instance, would be nothing but these like wild, like modded PCs and stuff like that. And then people got kind of numb to it and videos showcased. that kind of thing they they stopped really they stopped really enticing people and where do you think that stopped because this is this is three years ago and it's more the momentum YouTube is funky man um YouTube says three years ago I expand the description it's almost four 2021 yeah uh oh 23rd December 2021 yeah okay uh yeah it'll be four years ago in December of this year yeah so anyway the point is that there's probably a lot of people like hundreds of thousands of people out there that are like but i want to watch those video i would have watched the crap out of those videos um but that's the thing that people i think sometimes lose track of or don't realize is that when we're looking at the numbers we're looking at aggregate numbers and not just individual numbers um and so it was really interesting

over the last couple of weeks as we dived into some of the inside baseball behind YouTube's algorithmic recommendations and how they do or don't register views when ad blocker is being used and we kind of talked about these

things and the big headline that a lot of people who didn't look that deep into it or listened to what we were saying globed on to was that LTT has fallen off right like that was kind of the takeaway for anyone who wanted that to be the takeaway. And I'll be the first to tell you guys that our viewership is not as high

as it was three years ago. But we also haven't fallen off completely either. And that's not necessarily the conclusion. But that doesn't change that opinions are like assholes. And many people had opinions about, you know, what specific content it was of ours that was the reason that we had fallen off. Whether it was because we were doing content that was bad or because we had stopped doing content that was really good. And one of the funniest ones for me was people on both sides saying they build too many computers and I'm bored of it or on the other side going they don't build enough computers anymore. That's what I want to watch. Do you think it might have been oversaturated and now it's cooled down and we could hit it again? And being equally certain.

No, I don't. Build a piece. see as a genre is highly competitive because it's super easy to do and it's um it's one where i feel like you we especially are inherently going to struggle with it because there's almost nothing for us to say that we've never said before that was why we did build a how to build a pc the last guide you'll ever need because what's the last one that you what's the last like uh we did a pov one more recently because it had been quite a while and I felt that we were due for an update because the first POV build guide

and it really is the easiest one to follow along with. But the amazing wooden PC is not a build guide, is it? It's like a... No, that's, no, no, no, that one's like, it's like a build log. Yeah. It's like, yeah, four years ago. So more recently, we did the the acoustic baffle one was pretty cool.

The most like silent PC. We did, I'd say we've taken the idea and we've adapted a little bit. So we did buyer DIY with the arcade cabinet. In fact, that's the thing that's behind me right here. That was a cool build log, like building a PC in a novel form factor. We've tried to add another layer to it other than just we built a computer because they started to be pretty sluggish for us. Anyway, like another one that people are sort of quick to diagnose as like the reason that we're falling off is because we need to do more.

of it or because we need to do less of it is oh man actually no i forgot i had it in my brain but now i've forgotten and honestly it's probably boring anyway so why don't why don't we move on we can do a new topic i forget what the question was did i ever actually answer it oh could we do a nas ah huh man that's one where you can only build nas is so many times um if he reaches out and kind of you know lays out what he needs and if we can come up with a unique idea um you Should make it so, like, if a hard drive fails, it drops a marble in his machine? That'd be kind of cool.

You could totally do that. We have a lot of projects right now. So I'm not in a position where I could say, like, oh, yeah, we could, like, we could execute that on, we could execute on that in, like, a super reasonable amount of time. So I don't want to commit anything, but anything's possible. In the case of that PC, we had a really good sponsor that was super adjacent to what we were doing. so sometimes it can rely on that because these can be really big projects and sometimes we can't get all the hardware

so we can't just go building like multi-thousand dollar like NASs for people just out of our own pocket for no reason other than because they asked us for one necessarily that's one of the reasons that we'll go and we'll bring in a sponsor or something like that and try to make it wins for everyone

win for the sponsor win for our channel win for the audience they really enjoyed the content win for the other creator who gets hooked up with this stuff we try to we try to stack double use as much as we can oh yeah right i remember what the other genre was really expensive stuff it it is hilarious watching the the community broadly not agree on whether we should cover like outlandishly expensive stuff i don't think they ever have they never have and never will yeah every single video we upload that's like here i am on

unboxing the world's biggest TV, or here's a $30,000 GPU, it's going to have some comment thread under it that's people discussing how I remember when LTT used to be, it reasonably priced stuff for reasonable folks. It never was. Ever. It never, ever, ever, ever was. And I don't. But it always was.

And it always will be. Like, how about this one? Four tech YouTubers were challenged to build the best $1,000 gaming PC. That was a month ago. Here's a review of a mid-range GPU. You know, here's Scrappyard Wars, where we literally are trying to get the best deals. That's the entire premise of it.

So it's always been, here's make your GPU faster for $7. It's always been both. and this is going to blow your mind you can watch the videos that appeal to you I know I know it's wild I don't know if I don't watch every single one I get the shakes

I do think you kind of miss out I think that the team does an incredible job of making sure that there's fun and educational bits in pretty much everything we upload and I'm only hedging because there has got to have been something at some point. The content's so dense these days. There's so much stuff going on. Every video is like

20 minutes and it's like 20 edited down minutes. Yeah, I don't know how we used to do a 10 minute video anymore. Like maybe, maybe that's something that we should explore. Like do a 10 minute video once in a while. Yeah. But like, okay, can you imagine, okay, did you watch the one on the giant display volume? Yes. Okay. What could we have cut out? You can't do that in 10 minutes. How could we have cut 11 minutes out of that? I almost wanted to see more. And I'm not even like... We did cut out a bunch.

Yeah, I'm sure. Like, we had to be... We had to aggressively cut that down. It's such a cool video. Like, I remember this, this video, nine years ago. Oh, my God. Uh, this video... Yeah.

I thought was incredibly long at 16 minutes. I gave you shit because I was like, this script is too long, but ain't nobody got attention span for that. Yeah. And now we regularly release like 20 to 30 minutes. minute long videos. When's the last time we had a 16 minute video? Not yesterday's. Not this ROG rig reboot. That's 23 minutes. We're just parts on the L-Express. 19 minutes, 19 minutes, 29 minutes, 21 minutes, 16 minutes. There. We have to go back to the Bose sound cannon, acoustic wave

canon. And technically that one's still longer, because mine is 1619. That was 1624. So summarizing an Apple event, we managed to make that shorter. One, iPhone announcement But there's I don't know There's just people I don't know how to address that Because if we say more

People get bored And if we say less People feel like it's incomplete And maybe maybe maybe that's Partly on us Like maybe we just need to be like Okay yeah we're just not going to include everything Maybe we should go back to shorter videos

It's something we've talked about Oh here we go Because it's very burdensome on the editors It's burdensome on the writing department? The only other one I did in that series, eight minutes, 31 seconds. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember when I had my like float plane weeks, we do these things on float plane where we'll pick like a person and you make three pieces of content and it's a week dedicated to like your pieces of content. I made a video in there that was like about the state of the video game industry. And it was like four and a half minutes or something. But I mean, there's no ads. I kick right into it.

There's no need for like an intro and outro or anything. There's no appetizer. So I just go straight into the topic and talk about it. I got everything I needed to say in. It ended up being like very true with how things have been going on. And people were pissed because it wasn't longer. I remember reading the comments and I remember just thinking like, that wasn't even that short of a script for like back when I used to make videos.

Like if you add in. like ad spot beginning end an intro a longer outro like all that stuff that you'd normally have that's probably about the length of this yeah what is going on with that's alive video you get maybe like 50 to 70 seconds of bloat just from kind of adding all that stuff yeah but no now it's it's 20 plus long minute videos wild it's crazy dan what are we supposed to be doing that's got a couple more topics in there heck yeah google reveals its Android PC coming in 2026. Back in July of 2025, okay, so this, so two months ago,

Google's Android president, Samir Samad, confirmed in a tech radar interview that they will be combining ChromeOS and Android into a single platform. The interview was very broad and not ChromeOS focused, but Samat did mention he was very interested in laptop productivity, and they are combining Android and ChromeOS. All right, fast forward. to Qualcomm's Snapdragon Summit

September 24th, 2025. So, two days ago. So Matt says they're committed to the ChromeOS platform. Does that mean older ChromeOS systems will still receive support? Hasn't been confirmed. So Matt also stated that Android tablets

have shown to be a productivity machine and a success for them. So basically, we can't believe anything he says. Okay, that's really interesting because I read these notes before the show. I read that one line and I had that exact word for word reaction of just like, none of this matters anymore.

That's obviously a lie. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Is he thinking of iPads? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, Android tablets exist. But, like, they seem to be, like, sign up giveaways.

You know what I mean? Like, they're not really... No, they're expensive. Dude, no, I only... know this because I was trying to remember when we used to use a big Android tablet for our teleprompter yeah and I was trying to buy new ones and I was like oh my god I'm not spending five six hundred dollars on an Android tablet this is ridiculous and I had to go find some ancient honeycomb thing that was like someone was selling used and it was a really weird deal

for some reason like I think it turned out like they knew me when I got it doesn't matter the point is that like I got another one of those old like tegratra two tablets and and we had I had to figure out how to, like, install a new OS on it. I had to do some, like, ADB shit. Like, yeah, it was a whole thing because I didn't want to spend more than, like, a couple hundred bucks on an Android tablet because they're not worth that to me. So, but to be clear, there are very cheap Android tablets. Yeah.

But they're really crappy. Oh. Yeah. So I wanted something that was in that middle ground of, like, being decent because I was going to use it for a teleprompter. I needed the screen to be good, and I needed the, you know, performance to be okay and stuff. It needed to be reliable. But also, and I needed to do.

be big. It doesn't need to be that great, but it needs to be reliable. I wanted a 10-inch tablet. And there was, like, nothing in that class. This is years ago, though. There was nothing in that size class that was, like, reasonably priced. And so I was just, I was blown away by how expensive Android tablets are. And they still are.

Like, if you want to buy a Samsung or something, they're not cheap. Yeah, I mean, I didn't even, like, this is 800 bucks. I do wonder if in other markets they're doing okay? Like, how many reviews are there for that? 126. Okay, so they're clearly selling some. I'm fairly certain Best Buy reviews are unified. I think it's both sites.

Oh. So, and maybe in other markets, they're doing really great. Oh. Okay. So they've aggregated reviews from Lord Only Knows Where. Yeah. Interesting. These are, like, all that way.

Okay. Cute. Okay. That's weird. They also, and this is where your eyes might really, roll completely out of their sockets. They specifically want to bring the advancements with AI on Android to Chrome OS. Neat.

The solution then, Google is combining Android and ChromeOS to make a new OS for PCs. The baseline of Android for PCs will be Android as a base with the Chrome OS experience on top of it. This appears to be a collaborative effort between Google, Qualcomm, and other partners. that weren't mentioned. A senior VP of Google announced they specifically want to bring their AI stack in development into the PC domain so Android can serve everyone in every

computing category, since they've already been available for smart home and auto devices. Personal computing has been a gap for them. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Not much more has been revealed about their plans at the moment, and the latest announcement was more of a tease, but it does seem that Google has been working to improve Android with Linux apps.

Ooh. The future for ChromeOS devices hasn't been explicitly covered, but Google's policy is 10 years of updates, so I'm going to hold them to that, because I just bought a Chromebook. And Android Authority mentioned that GPU acceleration has been slyly added to Android's Linux terminal app. It doesn't work yet, but it does show that they're looking to improve performance. Google stated the end goal is to create an Android ecosystem

that works seamlessly across devices. Well, good luck, Google. hopefully you don't abandon it before you minimize that I threw some stuff at the bottom I don't necessarily think I saw these in the dock but I think they're super new so I don't I'm not blaming the dock writers to be clear

do you know about the new Facebook thing no Facebook sure chat will tell us they're making a new feed that is just a feed of people's like AI generated like mood videos it sounds like the dumbest thing in the world the saddest part

is like super smart people work at meta they could be doing anything they could be they could be building the future yeah it's called so it's called Facebook meta vibes AI okay are you ready to screen share yeah hold on one sec tech crunch sure we'll go with that sure go for it there we go

meta launches vibes a short form video feed of AI slop and yeah in a move no one asked for meta is introducing vibes a new feed in the meta ai app and on meta.ai for sharing and creating short form AI generated videos that's it who wants this why so that you can just aimlessly doomscroll even more.

But it's just like trash. I mean. Like, so in a full plane chat was like, remember that two week period when Luke was all excited about AI stuff? I am still quite interested in AI stuff. Wait, you don't want to watch this? But like, the direction of almost every corporation in how they're handling with it is just so uninteresting.

um like i i think it's called like friend dot com or something uh oh boy oh boy have you heard of that i unboxed it oh if you enjoy linus gets mad about how utterly pointless and wasteful something is tune in to short circuit where i unbox oh no i literally i had it oh i just closed it oh wow did i Man, I looked at his screen and clicked it and it was gone. I unboxed my friend. I named it Riley. I prefer the real Riley. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is this old? It's old. The trailer there is old. Yeah. This went viral way back, but they actually shipped us one now. Okay, got it. So I was going to say, they did like an ad takeover. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they didn't add takeover the New York subway. Bell has actually been wearing it since the short circuit because he was like maybe Linus was too mean. I should use it a bit more and make sure that it's actually as worthless and pointless as he made it out to be. And he came back to me a few days later and he's like, hey, so it's just as bad as you thought may be worse. Yeah. It's so bad.

It's terrifying. It's the amount of like, man, there's always the. like utopian view of like this will help us do less menial garbage work and will free the common person and allow us to do artistic pursuits. Or there's the late stage capitalism view where it's like it will create meaningless garbage work. How about how about you scroll infinitely with the hand motion that is addicted through just the sloppiest crappiest AI junk ever forever and see what happens. Like, that's not what I want.

That's not interesting. And I feel like I knew this was coming. And there is interesting stuff happening in the space. Oh, absolutely. It's just not this. And it's also not, what is it called? Opening eye pulse. Oh, boy.

I think both of these were announced today. So I'm not blaming the doc writing team. They are new. No, this is not new. Okay, either way. all right i'm on your screen chat gpd pulse what is this now chat dpd pulse it essentially um let's see if they say it out loud here to reach your goals yeah what does that mean uh so you tell it like goals or like things that you

want and it will work on it in quotes even when you're not like Using it. What does that even mean? I think the thing that they would like you to think is that something like your badminton thing when it was like, I'll go work on that and then get back to you. Is that it's going to do that? Oh, it'll like churn away on large tasks in the background or something.

I think that might be what they would like you to think. I haven't read this whole thing. I'm just being honest. So I might miss parts of it. Let's see if they show. when you're traveling what is your preference this helps us shape

one of what kind of experiences blah blah blah it'll research something for you what is even so I think there was like a Sam Altman tweet so basically they just want you to feed more personal data into it

like am I missing something here the thing that I suspect other people are picking up on as well is this is almost certainly going to be an ad engine well yeah So they can find, like, a bunch of people that have certain desires and then sell ads against those desires. Right.

That is, like, for sure what's going on. Right. So basically, they just want some time to go sell it. Here we go. Between when you tell them that I'm interested in traveling and when it gives you a response. This part right here. Oh, man. It performs super well.

if you tell chat chbtee more about what's important to you in regular chat. You could mention, I'd like to visit Bora Bora someday, or my kid is six months old, and I'm interested in developmental milestones, and in the future, you might get useful updates, also known as, to me, ads. Ads. You might get useful ads in the future. And, you know, I'm sure they'll use it for other things first so that people feel really disarmed about it. And then later on, they'll just start trickling it in.

A little bit over time. I mean, Elon said that out loud when, uh, yeah, when Crock got some updated a while ago. Handyman linked this. What fantastic timing. Nice. Yeah. So, like, I, I am like, rather, the second I read this, I was just like, hmm, if it said, you know, I'd like to visit Boroboro some day, you could say that to it. and it could definitely be helpful immediately.

There is no reason for it to be helpful in the future. My kid is six months old. I'm interested in developmental milestones. It could definitely tell you some of those now. Right now. There is no reason that it should wait and tell you them later unless there's some product that it could advertise to you potentially at a more, at a time that it thinks you might be more likely to buy it.

Like if it realizes you're online at two in the morning or something when people's ability to resist buying things is a little bit lower. Or if it knows your kid's six months old today, then it knows that your kid is two years old in 18 months. That's useful. Maybe you need this other product. Maybe you need shoes or maybe, yeah, whatever. Yeah, because giving it a desire does not mean that it is only going to attempt to fulfill that one desire. Cyberg Citation says, it's like people watched Wally and thought it was something to aspire to rather than a warning.

Yeah. Oh, man. Ani Haikage says, and this is a really good point, spreading out interactions with an app over time also makes it more addictive, so it's a Jedi mind trick as well. I added the Jedi part. That absolutely makes sense.

You will use it to draw your desires. Brilliant. To see a fab. What are you going to do about it? I'm already going. oh are we talking about that i don't know i wasn't sure if it was a secret maybe not anymore i didn't say which one for crying out loudly i didn't say which one okay well he's going somewhere fabulous why we leave it there next week um freaking guy i didn't say which one okay i just don't know

if it's a secret or not i don't know okay i just like half assume that everything is uh why don't we talk about our sponsors That's not a secret. The show is brought to you today by... Oh, are you good, Dan? Oh, he's awake. Yeah, he's awake. Float plane first.

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have a way to do that yeah um what do you want to do next low when views solved what is this yeah let's talk about that oh this Redditor Yevlenad shared a sure fire solution for low WAN viewership we just need to do

oh come on we just need to look more like this which we can do like this why were you looking here look here? I think this is not real time I'm pretty sure it's not real time

I mean it wouldn't need to be completely real time I mean we're already like 300 milliseconds late This is this is WAN 2.2 Funny enough it's called WAN This is WAN 2.2 animate I think And I don't think that's real time Am I wrong?

I don't know a ton of this I mean it might be Yeah Is it? It might be I thought WAN only did five seconds Not like WAN show is live We could we could do five seconds

Would be fine Yeah but I mean like We could easily have a delay And that's it Like streamers And then you have to render that Like it's trained on five seconds. Oh, got it.

Okay. I don't believe it's live. Isn't that video more than five seconds? Because like, uh, like, uh, character replacement has been a thing for like, long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, the brilliant plan is to turn everyone on when into photo realistic AI thirst traps. Turn everyone on? Personally, I think it's a great idea.

Uh, great Yuzuki posted a handy comparison of face swapping tools. There we go. Um, got it so uh pricing model subscription 19 dollars a month web based private generation uh oh boy you know what let's navigate away from that we should i don't i didn't see it yet don't worry about it we should uh we should do we should take pictures of us from like or videos or whatever we have both i don't know 10 years ago and just do that so it's still us also apparently is possibly fake because

there appears to be real motion blur so they might have just you know staged that either way I have pretty mimicable I have seen some very very there's crazy ones convincing wild ones like where

the software like drops for a second and then like goes back up and they're actual streamers Luke didn't you send me a video ages ago about like the webcam one it was like a real time thing the guy was sitting at his desk and wasn't actually sitting there, but it was him. Insomniac says that it's a fork of face rig, apparently.

Real-time manipulation. So it's just like V-tuber at that point. Yep. Pretty wild, man. Anyway, I just thought it was, I basically thought it was funny. So that was it. Oh, man, why is everything AI news? Let's find something else.

Oh, this is fun. Okay. man we're going to talk about the Chevy Volt again nice because the Chevy Volt is a practical car

for cool practical people and I was always frustrated back when I got mine and back when I did my video and back when I talked about that car how people just didn't seem to get it they didn't seem to get

plug-in hybrid vehicles and how they were just like this incredible like perfect marriage of the best things about an EV and the best things about a gas car with admittedly some of the downsides of both as well but really the best of both because you get the you get the economics of building them because you don't have to fill them with all the fuel they will ever need forever you just put a small battery in them that realistically covers most of your daily commuting and you get the benefits of a gas car in that if you are going somewhere far

you just put gas in it and go you don't have to think about range anxiety so i did most of my driving on full electric with that car i'd fell up the gas tank freaking like i don't know once every four to eight weeks or something like that like i hardly used gas and it was awesome and i was i was shocked when i talked to a guy who worked at the chevi dealer who was like yeah i had a guy trade one in who literally like didn't even realize that you had to plug it in And that just, it just blew me away. And it was a super efficient gas-powered vehicle. It's one of the most unfortunate things with automotives that I've been paying attention to automotives for

because hybrids came out first and then plug-in hybrids came out after and people had no idea what it was. They just didn't understand it. It was the Wii to Wii you thing. Yeah. It basically happened, but with cars. So buddy just drove his vault for years and never plugged it in once. Yeah. Which is not the end of the world because, because,

it doesn't have a super heavy battery in it, it's still a super efficient gas vehicle, but like, oh my God, if you just plugged it into your garage every night, you'd save a flipping fortune living here in BC where electricity is so cheap. It's very cheap here.

Anyway, Toyota came across this same unsettling piece of information that people are not charging their plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. And they came up with the chargeminder app.

They're going to gamify it. It delivers push notifications at key moments, like when you arrive at home or other user-defined charging places. These notifications apparently increased charging by 10% compared to a control group. They also increased driver

satisfaction by 16 percentage points. Because, duh, who wouldn't be satisfied by driving for cheaper a lot of the time? Yeah. The gamification aspect includes positive reinforcement, like attaining charging streaks and charging habit

summaries. You know what they should... Our discussion question here is plug-in hybrid electric vehicles cost thousands of dollars more than regular hybrid cars. If people aren't buying them, or if people aren't plugging them in, why are they spending the extra money?

And this is from Nick Plouf. He goes, I paid extra for a prime, not Amazon Prime for a Toyota Prime, because I can plug it in. Yeah. Yes, that's because you are a smart person who owns a display. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. Allegedly. They're not going to watch this anyways. I'll just say it. I think there's ways that they could probably end up making money off this as well. What's wrong with you? Yeah, shut up, Luke. They're not going to listen to this.

It's fine. But they could see the places that you're plugging in that aren't at home. Oh, that's been smart. Stop talking. Yeah, sounds good. Next topic. Spam GPT.

I don't think we can get away. They're all AI topics. Let's do spam GPT. Okay, they're not all AI topics, but yeah, we'll do this one first. Hit me. Spam GPT is a new AI-powered email attack automation kit being found on,

and people are mad. Being found on underground forums and the dark web. In a blog posted earlier this month, cyber security firm Veronis calls SpamGPT an enterprise marketing platform weaponized for spam

and says what used to require a team of skilled developers can now be accomplished by a single bad actor with a $5,000 toolkit and it's spam as a service which I would kind of hope for considering its name.

The platform enables attackers to design, schedule and monitor large scale spam and fishing operations. with minimal technical expertise. SpamGPT offers a straightforward GUI and detailed documentation and incorporates generative AI to create convincing spam campaigns. Tutorials, teach users, SMTP cracking mastery, and techniques for spoofing trusted brands

and domains. SpamGPT engineers bulk email to slip through spam filters and land in your inbox. Which honestly, kind of makes me want to buy it. because we have trouble with that sometimes, and we're sending legitimate email. It's like, if the bad actors can figure it out, why am I getting gated? Anyway, carry on.

By combining these features with campaign analytics. Oh, my God. SpamGy. Isn't this? Is this scary or what? It's MailChimp, but for like, near do else. The funny thing is because it's a, I'm assuming it seems like it's a one-time payment of $5,000,

this might be just a cheaper way for people to get like ad campaign management because the multi just terrible ideas today the multi user subscription model that a lot of these platforms run on is really expensive and really annoying so if it is just a one time buy it might be a pretty attractive option for like legitimate this is the worst timeline ever ah anyways Okay. Someone's going to buy it and repackage it. It's like a legit. I'm messaging Conrad right now. It's going to pay the bills, baby. Yeah, let's go. Keep the lights on with spam. With legitimate marketing activities. Yes. Based on your chat chat GPT history.

By combining these features with campaign analytics, spam GPT offers everything you defined in a legitimate marketing CRF. This is my point. I know. That's what I was talking about before. but explicitly designed for malicious use. Domain owners are advertised to strengthen email authentication with DMRQ, Cool, SPF. There are big groups that don't have things like this running and DKM to prevent spoofed domains and to deploy AI-powered tools to detect phishing emails generated by large language models. Oof. Another more different spam GPT is a set of Python scripts created by GitHub Uver.

GitHub user Stavros Stavros Corokithakas Hopefully that was pretty all right This spam GPT uses Sorry, this spam GPT uses chat GPT To send realistic replies to spam Emails wasting as much

of the scammer's time as possible By playing along and pretending to do whatever the scammer is asking for While insisting that any problems are on the scammer's side Oh my God Stavros commented on Hacker News saying it was a bit of fun until I realized that most of the replies for the spammers were AI as well. So we were just automatically spamming each other while OpenAI made money.

I stopped using it. That makes so much sense and is like for sure true and real. What is it? Dead Internet Theory? yeah like it's just bots talking to bots i mean it is actually just a that internet theory is just like real to a certain degree like there is an incredible amount of just bot traffic these days obviously there's also like a never seen before percentage of the world that is online and like actually humans yes but there is also such a rate of increasing levels of bot traffic

that it's like the chance that what you're running into is bot traffic is actually incredibly high. This is great. Gilmore D in float plane chat says it's like two Furbys just babbling at each other. Discussion question is direct human interaction with the internet dying.

Yeah. I think we can just move on. In a lot of ways. It really is. What should Linus ask Linus? Elijah posted a thread on the LTT subreddit where you can submit questions for our upcoming collab with Linus Torvalds.

Don't miss it. Now is a great opportunity for you to go post on there or upvote. anything that you would like to see us discuss with him there's no guarantees that we will get to everything but it could be some nice jumping off points for conversations with the og tech linus when he comes up here for our hopefully if nothing else goes wrong there will be no hard feelings if anything you know does come up but we seem to be as far as i can tell confirmed i'm so excited um yeah so um i forget where i was going with that the point

is I think it's happening, I hope it's happening, I'm pretty sure it's happening, and if it does, what do you want us to talk to him about? That was it, just want to make sure people are aware. And then do a little sort of kind of chat with you guys about Google messages. Google's messaging app, the default, you use a pixel, right? So your SMS app, can you think of another modern text communication platform other than Google messages? I know where you're going. That doesn't support fucking cloud sync. Yep, that's where he's going.

No. What is going on? It's honestly one of the only default apps that I feel like you like need to get something else for. Like, it's wild to me. And it's interesting, like, how much further ahead it feels like IMessage is. Oh, dude. Look, when Apple people tell me, yeah, I use an iPhone because, like,

iMessage is so great i roll my eyes because i message is nothing special but if the only other thing they'd ever tried was google messages then dang i get it i can see why they would think that iMessages god's gift to people who send messages on their phone because wow is google messages like i just i hadn't tried to migrate text messages in a while because I was using my Note 9 for a super long time and then I only recently started like switching phones a lot again and so on my note

and on my folds I was using Samsung's Messages app which also I think actually has synchronization don't quote me on that I don't know how good the synchronization is on Samsung's but the point is that I used like an import wizard and so it wasn't really a problem until I started swapping between Google phones like the pixel and Graphene OS, and there was something else that I was, I think it was a

one-plus I was using for a little while. And I kind of went, oh, crap, I'm like losing track of a lot of my SMS messages. And it's not always convenient for me to completely migrate because I might have two-factor authentication or like the Unify Identity app so that I have, you know, door access at Smash Champs or whatever else. I might still have that on my, on my secondary phone. Or I might be using a phone for a little while knowing that I'm going to go back to my other one and the only way to migrate back is to wipe the original one and then do the full migration. And it just kind of struck me. I was like, yeah, how the heck does this not have class?

Literally, Google, that's like the whole thing you're trying to sell me. It's like Google One and Google Drive and like all this stuff. And it's been especially inconvenient. So I still am not switched over to the iPhone. even though I'm trying to, because Apple's migration also is broken. Oh. Seriously. Check this out.

I usually hear very good things. Okay, because I've got an entire page of notes on my next I switch to Apple about what an absolute cluster fuck the migration process has been. I have an idea for a Linus I switched, by the way. Oh, really? I don't know if you're going to like it, but I'll pitch it when we're done here. uh hold on collections on this device screenshot where the

where the hell is this um where did I sync this to you know what these are pictures I took on my old iPhone 12 pro because I couldn't because both my pixel and my iPhone were linked with a cable and displaying various states

of the transfer so in order to document this I yeah I had to put it somewhere else so where where did I put it I don't I don't think I put it on Google Drive bloody hell where did I put it oh you know what I think I can find it

basically out of like 15,000 text messages or something it managed to transfer two and this is one of the things that I often go off about with Apple's software design, and the reason for it is that as someone who uses a lot of devices and switches devices a lot, and uses a lot of different kinds of apps, and needs interoperability,

and has high expectations for a trillion, yes, with a T, dollar company, I run up against it a lot, is Apple's design philosophy is, it just works. the problem is that when it doesn't it just works is baked in as an expectation so when it doesn't they often do not have the safeguards

and backup plans that are baked into other platforms so it's like probably one of the best examples I have of this is when Apple removed the restart function Yeah. It used to have two sliders, one to shut down, one to restart.

But it's an iPhone. It should never need to be turned off and turned back on. And I really, I don't know this for sure. But there is literally no other reason that I can think of why they would have removed it. Because it was and continues to be a very useful tool. In fact, I contacted Apple support, and it's one of the first things they asked me to do. was restart my iPhone. So just give me the fucking button to restart it.

Why do I have to touch it twice? I don't understand. Another one was, this was back with my old and this is like 10 years ago, so I don't even know if this is still true, but when I did my I switched on Mac and Finder didn't have a refresh. Well, it should just refresh. Right, but when it doesn't, what do I do? Well, you go fuck yourself is what you do.

that's your only real option so in this case with the transfer tool so i'm i'm using the uh what's it what's it called it's an android app move to ios i'm using the move to iOS app from from apple and um hold on a second yeah here we go i'm just gonna make sure that i'm not just an idiot and i'm using like a third party tool or something because i'm pretty darn sure that it's first party Apple, but I'd hate to accidentally upset Apple people again by if I'm actually wrong. I don't mind upsetting them if

what I'm saying is accurate. Yes, it's developed by Apple. So I'm using the move to iOS app. And once again, in classic Apple fashion, when only two of your 15,000 text messages transfer, there's no retry button. There's no, there's no

do it again button. Oh, that's annoying. So, the instructions from Apple support, who were spectacularly unhelpful... Start from the beginning again, I'm assuming. Was to rewipe the iPhone and try again. Yeah. And I said, well, okay, what are we changing this time that would result in a different outcome? Nothing.

And they go, oh, well, your internet might have caused an issue. And I said, I told you already earlier in this chat that I was connected with a cable. What makes you think that my internet played a role in the failure of this? What are we changing? What are we doing differently? Because what happened was my WhatsApp messages did transfer. So I'm no longer signed into WhatsApp. And I could do a whole separate rant about WhatsApp

and how that too is a modern communications platform that for whatever reason does allow multiple sign-in across devices. But not two phones. No, never two phones. so I have to transfer and you have to transfer when you are doing like the new phone setup too it drives me absolutely bananas so so my WhatsApp

did transfer over to the iPhone but my text messages are here and I've had some bad experiences with WhatsApp with WhatsApp's backup and restore even when I explicitly click backup verify that it's backed up in the last one minute and then I restore it

I'll be missing like a week of messages sometimes and it's really frustrating i don't like that i don't like not having my communication history and um like it's it's legitimately caused problems for me sometimes you remember that stupid scandal where um someone accused me of something and i didn't have my we chat history because i had like switched phones and didn't realize that it was like not cloud synced in anyway um it ended up being fine because they were caught in like multiple other lies that basically were like, yeah. It ended up just dismissing everything, basically.

Yeah, so that was really useful of them to just, like, completely fuck themselves like that. But I didn't have the DMs, which was super inconvenient for me. I don't like losing DMs. So I'm in a situation right now where my iPhone contains my WhatsApp messages and my Android phone contains my SMS messages.

There's no cloud sync for SMS. They're asking me to wipe the iPhone, which, I don't know, maybe, I will get all my WhatsApp history back. Maybe all of the messages will transfer this time. The whole experience just sucks. So Google, so in order. Google, cloud sync for messages.

What the fuck is wrong with you? It's another opportunity for you to sell more cloud storage. It should be pretty easy to. Like now. Like just do it tomorrow. Yeah. What are you waiting for? It should be pretty easy.

Number two. WhatsApp. Hey. Just let me sign in across multiple devices, like, you know, basically everything. Like, what are you doing? Number three, Apple, retry buttons. You don't need to be allergic to them. It's okay.

It's a lot better than starting the whole process all over again. I understand. I understand that you don't want it cluttering up your beautiful software, whatever the Flock philosophy leads to you not having them. No, I don't understand. I think it's stupid, but it doesn't matter. The point is, you can keep doing that. How about only show me the retry button if I need it?

That way it doesn't have to be there. Like, by default, but you don't mind showing me a little... Some part of it failed. Yeah, you don't mind showing me a triangle with an exclamation mark. I backed up two of your messages. Thanks for fucking nothing. If I click that, it should let me retry. Thank you.

That's all I'm asking for. uh one WhatsApp account now across multiple phones where where uh linked from handyman is that a thing how did why did it sign me out then 2023 last year we introduced the ability for users global message seamlessly across all the devices while making this symbol of present today we're improving our wealthy device offering by introducing the ability to use the same WhatsApp account on multiple phones hold on I didn't even I didn't even try to sign back in here So recently I ran into a really stupid thing with WhatsApp where I was like trying to use a QR code to do the thing. And I couldn't scan the QR code and then it just didn't transfer properly.

And then I was really annoyed. Linking phones as companion devices makes messaging easier. Now you can switch between phones without signing out and pick up your chats where you left off. Okay. Okay. No, I think this might be, I think this might be solved. If you just signed back in, I suspect you're signed out on your other one because you have to link it as a companion device. Okay.

Well, either way, I'm way happier with this than things were before. Like, I was, man, I was super annoyed when I ran into that issue where it made me do the QR code thing to transfer them. And then it, like, I couldn't scan it because the camera on the phone that I was switching to or from, I can't remember, was, like, too crappy to scan the QR code and couldn't handle the, because it turns it up to maximum brightness. So there was a second before it would turn to maximum brightness where it would, like, be trying. trying to scan it and it would like start to focus properly and then it would crank to maximum brightness and then it wouldn't be able to do it and then it ended up not working and then I ended up losing a bunch of my messages it was so freaking frustrating I think you're getting progressively

less and less excited for the idea that I might have for you oh what is it signal or like what are we talking no you do these I switched things yeah but the feedback every time is that you're not, like, really an Apple user. So by not being, you know, marinated in the, the apple sauce, you don't... He means the feedback from outside parties. Yes. Yeah, not my feedback.

No, you, you don't have the... I am an Apple user. I just don't use enough Apple for Apple's liking. I use these every day. These are twos, by the way. I use... Yeah. I have my own rant about the

AirPod 4s, but, um... So I'm not in the sauce enough. What if? What if? Okay. You did a year. A year. And what if?

What if? What if? What if? Maybe it wasn't even just an iPhone. Like you want me to go full Mac for a year? I think you could do everything except a desktop, and I think that would be fair. Because I think, a lot of Mac people

probably aren't into the whole dedicated desktop thing anyways. And if they had one, it might be for games. And I think you could say like, I'm a streamer boy. Therefore, I need a Windows desktop. And you can have Mac everything else. And that is like a thing. That is a Mac user archetype

that is common. I think that's fine. So what if you did iPhone, watch, AirPods, iPad, MacBook. for a year the hell what i do with an ipad i don't know giving you options i can't figure out what anybody does with an ipad i don't fully watch netflix i think sure i mean you know what that's valid i just for me it's like it's this no man's land device like it's big and cumbersome enough that if i'm going to use it i might as well just get a laptop and it's it's not even that limited anymore like it used to be really limited but just like most of what i would need to do on it

is already on my phone so i'm saying ipad mini at that point why not just use your phone i don't know um part of the reason why i included it in there was because then you're like fully in the ecosystem right the laptop can count as any form of computer and then you have all the other apple things basically i don't think i missed anything so yeah you are you are deep in the in the walled garden I will think about it I'll think about it I just You could do update videos along the way

I like I like just be You know what It's like at least four videos out there I haven't even I don't even think I'll be able to Because I did a switch to Mac Not that long ago And after the first like week

There's just there was stuff that was annoying But mostly it wasn't impeding my ability To get work done it was just I don't want it to not impede your ability to get work done But that's the thing is I don't think I'm going to be able to do updates for a year Because within a week of using any of those devices I'll be able to use them

There will just be things that I don't like And some of it is just philosophical differences That I have with Apple Like stuff like they're not having a retry I don't like that I don't agree with that And no amount of No amount of me using it

is going to change that fundamentally I disagree with the assumption that something is going to work and not having a failback. I disagree with that because I have lived in the real world for long enough that I know that it doesn't work like that.

Even for your product specifically, Apple. It just doesn't. It doesn't work like that. And I do have my picture up, so I'm just going to try to find the right one here. Okay, so yeah, there's the very, Okay, so my first picture I took was at the top of the stairs of the code on the iPhone and my move to iOS app not picking it up, even though they are both on the same Wi-Fi.

Okay, so that didn't work. So I went and got a cable. Oh, that's a video just of the same thing. Okay, that's the same thing. Hold on a second. Then I got a picture because, you know, I never know if I'll need these pictures for the video. So then I got a picture of it transferring. So it started transferring.

Nice cable. Yeah, LTTStore.com soon. Soon, the cables are coming. Dude, I'm so excited. They're awesome. Okay. Then I got a video of that, apparently. Just trying to be thorough.

I'm trying to be thorough. You know, so our editors have stuff to cut away too. Then the next one I got, I think it had an ETA. Oh, no, here we go. Transfer complete. Transfer complete my ass. so here why don't I send this to Dan I think I'm signed into teams here

who knows am I signed into teams oh my god this is so laggy make sure that you click remember me and then it won't happen again yeah sure oh this is so this is so laggy I'm dying

oh my god we can't both antagonism Dan or you don't attack team Oh, okay, fine. Oh. That's a weird way to put that. Oh. Oh, wait, it's not after dark yet. Never mind. Keep your pants on. Jeez, you guys. Okay, I'll send this to Dan. So this is hilarious. If I didn't pay close attention, I could easily think, Dan, do you want to throw that up there? Sure, it's A-G-I-C, so I might have to do something fun with it. Yeah, I'm going to have to, like, pre-convert that. Sorry. Serenity now. So I could easily.

easily missed this because on the Android side again this is in Apple software Apple Inc made this move to iOS app on the on the Android side it says everything's great successfully transferred and then you notice oh hold on a second there's little yellow exclamation marks everything is not okay on the iOS side

and it's not just a little bit not okay it's brutally not okay Dan how close are you because that that was all the stalling I had yeah they went up good there you go nice there it is so I had to click into this so I had to click into this so if I have to click into it

just give me a retry button they're still connected oh this is another funny thing so both of them had a message on them warning me to keep them connected to power while the transfer was running how the fuck am I supposed to do that the phones are playing into each other you numpties it knows I'm using a cable uh magsafe okay got them got him got them I could

have two wireless chargers caught them one for each phone but like come on you know like come on man in fairness to me Luke that is in my notes I did think of it but that is a spectacularly stupid solution. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dang. That's crazy. Solved it by connecting a cable.

Yes, technically having two wireless charging pads next to each other while they're plugged in would be an option. But who realistically has a setup like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am aware that it could be done. But that is so obtuse. Jeez. so it's so frustrating and i'm clearly not the only one upset about it i found this on discussions dot apple dot com this has uh hold on a second let me check move to ios app transfer error solutions

this was started uh let me see in 2021 this has been a problem for four years at least the me twos on this are 1,664 of people being like, yep, me too. And there doesn't seem to be any real solution. Apple's tech support was so useless. Like, so useless.

I talked to one, I asked to be escalated. They, it just unceremoniously on the hour transferred me to someone new who hadn't read my case. I guess their shift was just over and they were like, see ya. Then I asked them to be transferred. to a level two tech they said hey level two is closed right now because it was late at night can i schedule a call back they called me back the next morning i was talking to level

fucking one again nice that's good i like that like i just i get it apple's your favorite company if your customers are so upset from dealing with your customer support that they hang up and stop trying on your cheapest level then you save money on your more expensive level of support yeah so i get that you love the taste of their dick or whatever but we should ask more from trillion dollar companies the number of people that are mad at me for being mad

that they removed the cable from the AirPods Pro 3s that they no longer ship it with a cable that they have slowly that they should really have a cable that they should slowly whittled down the number of included accessories in their products

is mind blowing to me why would you ask them that to include a cable I don't know why would I ask anyone to include a cable with their product. I'm the asshole. Like I just, I can't really, I can't really wrap my brain around that. I saw this great picture.

It's like, what was lost iPhone accessories comparison? Hold on. Let me see if I can, let me see if I can find it. Someone posted this great picture. And it was like, it was only like four or five years ago that they included like a lightning to three and a half millimeter adapter. Stickers, dude. They had, like, headphones, they had stickers, they had a

wall wart, they had a cable. Apple stickers were on like everything. You know what? I think it was on, I think it was on Reddit. I'm going to append Reddit to my search, and no, I can't find it. If anyone from chat has the link, I think it was on our slash all the other day. But it was, it's crazy how we've just accepted them. And look, if they lower them, the price.

Totally different situation. If... But it's just a cable. If I even remotely believed that these choices had anything to do with environmental impact, different situation. I don't buy it.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. Apple does so much that with intent creates additional waste in the world. They do a lot well as well. Like I think the new, the iPhone airs titanium chassis is like a significant percentage of, of re-manufactured titanium, which is super cool.

And that is really good. But they also do so much to create additional waste that I just, I can't take it seriously. I don't buy it. If someone like Fairphone said, hey, we're not including a charger in the box because we felt that it was unnecessary, you can add on a charger to your order for this very reasonable cost. Totally different conversation. How much does Apple charge for a USBC cable? $30 is my guess. Okay, let's find it.

For the shortest one. Charging essentials. You can't call something essential and then not included in the package. Hold on, is this CAD? That's Canadian. So, 25 Canadian dollars for this, like, basic, basic cable. Is this even USB 3? USB 2.

Nice. 25 Canadian dollars Nice Let's go USB 2 on this one too But it's 2 meter So that's something For 35 Canadian dollars

Wait the beats one is cheaper and longer I don't even know why they bothered To acquire beats dude And braided They were acquiring a brand And then they stole the sound signature It's like You took the least valuable thing about beats

although I have heard DMS is literally sitting there going like this right now I will acknowledge I will acknowledge that some of the later beats headphones actually were somewhat decent but did you ever listen to

the first generation beats by Drey I have two things sure hit me you'll probably enjoy and hate both of them one I went through and looked at all of the beats measurements I have most of them are less V-shaped than the AirPods Pro 3.

The other thing is, apparently, according to Reddit, so many people are returning AirPods Pro 3s that they are offering some people partial refunds just to keep them. Whoa. So there's that. I don't know. I think you're too mad about it. Oh, yeah.

I mean, look, Cloudchaser's going to cloud chase is all I really have to say about that at this point. Like, it seems... Honestly, I watched it. even seem that upset. I've seen him way more mad at stuff. I don't know what people are freaking out about. I think it just seemed like a really good formula for for raising your own profile and virtue signaling your own integrity or whatever to attack me for a while. Like that was kind of trendy. Yeah, sure. And I think that some people haven't got the memo that like it's not as much

not as much anymore i think there's a i think there's a group that you know is still really mad sure um about the completely worthless water cooling concept that some company had that i said wouldn't work and it didn't work um and i there were things about it that i didn't handle well admittedly there were things about it that were not handled well that were completely out of my control and didn't go well but you know whatever there's a certain number of people that are still extremely mad about that and then there's like everyone else who either never cared or has just oh my god moved on at this point um and so the whole just attack linus for saying a thing that is in this case objectively true i don't know sure good luck with that good plan all you do is

harm your own credibility at that point I think which is kind of sad because I would like to see I'd like to see the tech media space and the tech YouTuber space be more unified I'd like to see us working together for the benefit of the consumer

I would like to see us working towards holding companies accountable maybe that's just because I don't personally like the taste of apples dick Prefer oranges. Maybe it's an acquired taste. Might be.

Maybe I just need to suck it more. Maybe you just brush your teeth. You know, I have a toothbrush right here. Maybe I just need to, maybe I need to cleanse my palate before. Maybe I should use no computers for a month. Oh. Before I switch to a minute. Dang.

Pop a mint. Sorry. Did someone say that? Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, man. So what you're saying is Apple should make a toothbrush. Anyway.

What are we supposed to be talking about? Qualcomm announces the Snapdragon X2 Elite and X2 Elite Extreme. I remember telling Qualcomm. that their naming scheme was a dumpster fire. Somehow they made it worse. Good job, Qualcomm. Intel and AMD are not your role models that you think they are.

One year after announcing the original Snapdragon X-2X, Qualcomm is showing up its new Snapdragon X2 Elite and X2 Extreme. Oh no, isn't it Elite Extreme? Yeah, I think so. But you see, even our own writers managed to copy it wrong because it made no sense. X2 Elite will come in two flavors,

with one having 18 cores, good Lord, and 53 megs of cash, and the other having 12 cores and 34 megs of cash. with the 18 core edition having a slight performance advantage in dual core frequency with them otherwise being very similar. These both have a 128-bit bus. The X2 Elite Extreme has 4.4 gigahertz max on 18 cores

and reaches 5 gigahertz on single or dual-core loads. 53 megs of cache and a 192-bit bus. This thing should be an absolute monster. The adreno dedicated, or DPU, display processing unit? I guess they don't want to call it graphics. Yikes. The adreno DPU on all the chips can run three displays at up to 4. K-144 Hertz, and Qualcomm is claiming these are the fastest and most efficient processors

for a Windows PC. Two of the reference designs include the very cool Feroor Airjet instead of system fans, which you can check out our Computex video on. We covered that a little while ago. I have actually been back on my Snapdragon laptop recently because there's a video coming on this soon. The liquid metal leaked out of my ROG Flow X-13, and I was super upset about that because I freaking love that laptop

and I want a next gen one and I'll buy it again even with the liquid metal I'll just take the liquid metal out I'll put some PTM 7950 in there I freaking love that laptop Well it comes with liquid metal Yeah

Was that the stock application of liquid metal You better believe it bub So I have to own at least part of the blame for it I was a little rough with it And it was warm I think it might have been that time I tossed my backpack And it

The laptop When you tried to like throw it the laptop was probably warm and it probably like made it come out but either way I was not happy and my laptop is now dead we tried to recover it and um it's a it's a long video it's an adventure it's an adventuresome video anyway uh good luck qualcomm i i hope the adoption of these next generation processors is a little higher AI performer gets a record deal oh man no but millions of listens on Spotify regularly gets 100,000 views on Instagram

and it's all AI stuff and likeness vocals and music all AI generated and they purportedly got a three million dollar offer with Hallwood Media huh okay

I hate it cool I'm gonna I'm just going to close that. I've had enough of AI being horrible for one day. I like it. Should we talk about other things? Yeah, Valve's under fire. After Block Blasters, a free-to-play game was updated about a month after release to install malware

that allegedly steals the funds of their users. The game had allegedly stolen at least $150,000 from its users before being removed from Steam on September 21st, including $32,000 from Latvian streamer, Rivo Plavniaks. cancer treatment fund oh come on apparently there was a spearfishing campaign targeting creators for sponsorship opportunities this isn't even the first time this year that steam has been used to distribute malware in february twenty twenty five oh let's sort that sorry that was this year in february pirate phi installed a trojan horse in march sniper phantom's resolution demo would open a browser

and steal user credentials and in july chemia game installer would also install multiple payloads of malware. Is pirating safer? Oh, I doubt it. You come across some sketchy stuff. Anyway, we just wanted you guys to be aware of that. What was that command prompt? And another quick game-related...

You're good. You can go. Another quick game... Is this what it's like? Yeah. Yep. Another quick game-related... All the time.

FYI is Ascent Rivals has some pretty deep crypto. connections we highlighted this game last week it was that like pod case pod caser uh podcaster no pod racer that pod racing looking look alike that is how it feels luke was pretty excited about um assent rivals though is built on the cardano blockchain um g nun games the indie studio behind assent rivals stated that nfti holders can join teams based on their nfts and they're apparently using web three for sponsorships during tournaments like purchasing in games billboards so far it doesn't look super horrible but none of that really bothers me too much i just i didn't

there was a line that was like we just definitely wanted you guys to be aware that we're not endorsing the game we don't have any kinds of partnerships here we have no idea yeah we have no idea what kind of massive win for web three gaming or whatever yeah this is going to going to be. I'm not interested in that. We have zero interest in NFTs in the game. No. I literally just went, ooh, I'm racing a pod. Yeah. And then wanted to tell people because I thought it was neat. Yeah. I, we're not, yeah, we, this. Speaking of other folks that we're not partnered with, um, disclosure, I invested in a NAS software specifically because of bullshit like this. And that decision gets validated on a super regular.

basis. This is rough. I invested in Eshtek, who's making HexOS, which is essentially a four dummies interface for Trunaz. So it's Trunaz under the hood, and it's a shiny, easy to car drive on the outside, and I'm super

excited about it. They are doing some really cool stuff. You can check them out at hexos.com. Why am I so excited and feeling so validated right now? Because some Synology NAS models that were previously capable of hardware transcoding had the relevant drivers removed and not only that but deliberately blocked

at the kernel level according to user shared support tickets cool sonology you guys weren't like enough of a rip off already for crappy hardware now you got to do this sonology announced it would offload media processing to client devices in july 2024 citing licensing costs for H-EVC. YouTube NAS compares covered the change in

detail and pointed out AVC is license-free and other synology systems with the same CPU

but that advertised for Plex hosting B-Station maintain transcoding capabilities.

NASCampers also published a guide to get hardware transcoding back, which you shouldn't

have to do. So, yeah, very excited for what the team over at HXOS or,

excuse me, Tech is cooking up with HexOS. They are still... How are they doing? They're still in, like, alpha. Actually, oh, that reminds me. What's changed since the last time we significantly talked about them? I owe John a response.

He messaged me the other day. What did he say? Oh, yeah, he messaged me on Discord. Uh, I don't know if this is for public consumption, but sure. It is now. I think you leaked their stuff anyways, so... Well, look. The precedence is set.

He says, sorry for the washed out screen. This is from today. snipping tool plus hdr is a nasty combination but you get the idea by the way that complaint you mentioned about the welcome screen addressed in the q3 update we're publishing uh whatever monday uh so i don't know what i'm looking at here but he he recorded a video okay cool he just made so they made it so that the welcome wizard is harder to accidentally navigate away from and then not be sure how to get get back to. Sure. So super cool. It just kind of walks you through creating users and creating shares. And it used to be that if you like created a share and then just went like back in your browser, you were just lost. Whereas now that's not the case anymore. So hexOS man. And one of the things that that was a red line for me to invest was that there would be a lifetime license.

There will be a lifetime license. It will not include services that have an ongoing cost. so like if you want to buy cloud storage from them or something like that you want to you want to back up to the cloud or you want to use um you know some kind of like data forwarding um that that they that they have ongoing costs for it won't include that but what it will include is the basic functionality of the software for life um and that was that was a major thing for me is like guys i understand that software companies these days got a software company you got to have subscriptions and they're going to have subscription services and stuff but there might not be as many jobs for developers out there but they're still expensive but you should have the option for a nas for something that the whole point of it is that you own it you should have an option to own it that's the point so i'm i'm very excited for them to uh to get this thing out of beta and uh and get this show on the road i just want to roll it for everything and that's it for topics so should we move into after dark sure if you insist we certainly can't okay dan these guys checked out huh checked out sorry sorry i'm on

tic-tok what did you say banner to after dark it's not end this show okay well least you're not on Tylenol i'd hate for you to get the tism that's true that's true I need to start macro dosing that. Really, you want more tism? Yeah. Not a ton more. I think I got a little bit going on already. I've always wanted to be into trains.

Just a little bit. Just a little bit more. I just want to appreciate our rail system more. It's about it. Collect things. Okay. Burntch messages. How is it possible that blatant UI errors make the final product from a major company?

For example, the YouTube music widget in Google Maps blocks its own button and half of the road hazards buttons. My theory is that the people who are in charge of these projects don't actually daily drive them. Like there's so many little things that are just kind of obvious. Like my car, for instance, it has an individual configurable drive mode so that you can be like, well, I want, like, really stiff suspension, but I don't want to, like, a custom one? I don't want it lower to the ground. Custom load out for your car. Yeah, and I don't want the, like, super aggressive throttle response. Like, I want it like this. You cannot, if I recall correctly, configure the regenerative braking because Porsche just has their own philosophy of one pedal driving. They don't believe in it or whatever, which is like, yeah, that's not really your decision. That's my decision. I'm the one who paid the money for it.

whatever um and the the irritating thing for me is that i have to switch to it every single time i get in the car because i never want to use one of their profiles that i cannot edit so i have to tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick switch switch over to it every time i get in the car and it's just that's annoying why it doesn't matter it's the champagneist of champagne problems can you switch while driving just random side question yep yep you can totally switch while driving it's just unnecessary. I just shouldn't have to. Same thing for stuff like how I can't type

on my touchscreen. My passenger is not allowed to type on my touchscreen when the car is in motion. You do understand that voice commands just like don't work. I mean, you're German. So I'm sure your voice commands are even worse than ours because like...

They probably speak precisely. You think so? You think they just have better, better enunciation. I mean, that is entirely possible. But it's just, there's just so many little things that I look at and I just go like, yeah, you just obviously don't daily use this. Yeah.

I think it's the Ford CEO that was deliying a B-YD car. That's super cool. And I heard he still was. That's super cool. Like, yeah, you're the CEO of Ford. You could probably just have a driver, drive you around in a Bentley or whatever, and never touch a steering wheel. but how can you possibly hope to run a car company

unless you are driving your company's cars driving competitors cars like really caring I think that's really cool and I just see so many examples like you said of software that clearly has never been used like really used by the people who are allegedly in charge of overseeing it with that said

fairly unimportant clarification but someone's going to call us on it it was a a Xiaomi SU7 sorry my bad My bad. Not the idea. Somebody's going to... But the flip side of that is we talked about this earlier.

You can't have 100,000 people perfectly aligned on a mission. And there's all kinds of stuff that makes it into our finished products that, yeah, I totally wouldn't have approved of, but I never saw it. And you can't. And you can't see everything. If you want to do any significant volume of things at scale, you're not going to see everything. If you want to create rather than critique, you will discover that it's... really hard. And you get,

you'll get the both sides of the story. Exact same people complaining about not giving enough people agency to do their own thing and, and the,

you know, being too hard on people for failures and wanting to give people rope to, to try and experiment and do stuff like that. And then any single mistake

that ever comes out is your fault and you should have done better. For not overseeing it better. Yeah, yeah. It's like, what do you want?

The exact same argument will come from the exact same person. Yeah, that one's fun. Things happen. I don't know. Up next, hi, L1, L2, and DRAM. Been, yeah, typical. Been 15 years since the Olympics came to town.

Do you have any fond memories from those events? I actually didn't go downtown at all. I was in Victoria. I thought it was really funny when Canada won, of the gold medal hockey game. because they had those this is our game or whatever like Scotia Bank ads

throughout the entire hockey tournament and they were like super polished and they were professional ads do you remember after Canada won there was like an extra bit that looked like absolute dog shit because they just like threw it together

when Canada actually made it deep into the tournament and just in case they won it was like a clip that they were ready for no I don't remember that And it just, it looked like absolute trash. They probably should have just done nothing. I forget if the resolution, I forget if the resolution was super low or just like it was missing some of the other assets or something like that.

Just as a tech person who, you know, appreciates the difficulty of putting on a production, I just found it extremely amusing that someone's job out there was to have this asset ready on the off chance that Canada won the whole thing so that they could like put it up but probably no one would ever see it and they were probably so busy doing other things that they just like didn't care oh dude

so good man there was I my mom tried to convince me to volunteer and I'm like annoyed that I didn't because the volunteers got these like sick jackets oh wow that's super nice they looked so cool they had the writing on the arm they have a little logo.

Wow, Hudson's Bay made a product somebody wanted. Good for them. I mean, it was 15 years ago, but... I thought these jackets were just awesome. They were so sick. It's nice when people like try. Yeah. They were dope, and you got them from volunteering,

and I should have just done it. My mom was right. Got them. Up next. Hi, Dottiello. I'm pursuing a degree in tech management and recently realized I'm one out of two out of 20 in a class that actually reads the material

and doesn't have chat GPT do my homework. A teacher doesn't care. Should I stop trying? No? No. What kind of stupid question is that? You'll probably just do better. You should not ask questions like that

because that's not good management. You should take pride in your work and you should do a good job because that should be something that you, that is, is part of your identity as a person. You're welcome. Luke, thanks for actually being here today. Why are you so cheap?

Yeah, Luke. What's happening? David throwing hands. Is that it? That's the whole thing. He bought a blank t-shirt just to ask you that. Do better, I think. He could have just said.

Wait, did they buy a? our cheapest possible t-shirt they bought uh they bought some they picked up a couple extra tolls okay so they bought a couple of our cheapest no we don't have extra talls dan they bought two extra large shadows in tall uh sorry short sleeves uh when i was young young we were doing great and then when i was medium young uh there was a big accident in my dad's work and he was out of work for a long time and he had to like it got really bad for a while there we were close to losing the house and then he had to go to our doctor and be like yo you need to let me work again because like things are going to get a lot worse for me to the point where it would be worse for me to not work

than it would for me to do work so let me go back and then he got if I remember correctly and I'm pretty sure this is accurate two full-time jobs and a part-time job within like a week and just went like sick-o mode for way too long and I don't fully know how he is a lot of live um but he like saved the family and everything was crazy and i learned some appreciation for like having cash in the bank um yeah and i i it's not that i don't spend money i spend money on experiences i prefer to buy small amount of nice thing that will last that i can repair that i spend money on health i spend money on health i spend money on keeping myself going um gym gym equipment, things like that.

On other people. He won't say it, but I'll say it. Luke spends money on other people. Yeah. That is true. I ran into your dad this week. Curling. Yeah, we had a quarterly event for the writing department,

which I'm informally part of, because no other department that does quarterly events includes me. So we went curling, which was organized by David Pankrats, who's super awesome. He's a relatively new member of the team, but he's uh he's dived right in he's been doing awesome and um he organized a curling night and it was the first time i had curled in nerd sports which was the first time i had curled

ever yeah and i still suck that makes sense yeah it's really hard it was fun though it was fun as heck did he he was he just like busy the whole time or did he like he came over to chat with us but he had stuff to do yeah yeah but he actually helped with a little bit of coaching for the other group it wasn't my group um did you have like two sheets yeah yeah okay it makes sense that's two lanes for the bowlers out there yeah yeah yeah yeah there you go but but yeah i don't know uh i also just and you know maybe it's something that's wrong with me or whatever i don't really consider it that way i feel much more comfortable um i don't feel a need to buy a bunch of this stuff like i i don't personally attacked i don't get that much fulfillment from just buying things i

do get fulfillment from buying something that I like spent a lot of time like I haven't been able to use it because my house is in shambles right now but uh I'm very excited about the big screen beyond that wasn't cheap that was a bunch of money that was not cheap I took it out of the box I put the little cover on and just placed it against my face and just everything went black immediately oh yeah it's perfectly for him perfect I'm perfect oh I'm excited about that thing it feels great I'm stoked so like I do spend money I just make sure that I have an ample amount saved ready for the rainiest day you could have and that makes me very comfortable and I like being in that state so I do that hey LLD what happened to the 3D printed water cooling tube you

had made did it hold up was there an update on it that I just missed happy to see tall shirts are back in stock I believe we did update yeah we did update for six months on the 3D printed hardline water cooled computer

challenge over on float plane so here's what it looked like after three months jk

subscribe to floatplane lmg.g slash floatplane got them hi land dinus and Drake uh oh

what are the coolest modifications that you've seen made to the LTT backpack I replace the LTT logo

with my own patch added power cord handles and extra inner pockets and loops. I was just kidding. Before, by the way, the 3D printed tubes did hold up. Super cool. You don't actually have to subscribe to float plane just to get that answer. This is why we don't go to parties. It's just trolling them. I think that's probably the most modified backpack that I've heard of.

Have you guys seen a more modified backpack than that? Oh, there's one here. What? Oh, are you? Is this a... Oh. Wait, are you the one who left the merch message or what? Oh, no. Oh, okay.

This is like the same, this is like the same list of stuff. Okay, here, can we see it? It's jank. Show me your sack. This is DMS's backpack apparently. He massively overfills it to the point where it's going to, like, explode all the time. Okay. I have pointed out that he could not have that.

Wait, so he ruined the zipper. It went through surgery. And then just. zip tied one side of the backpack shut. Yeah. Yeah, it's like literally always exploding every time I see it. I like the mud kit.

You know, this is like for a lot of airlines like personal item sized and then you can have a bigger carry on as well. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thanks, DMS. I'm just, you know what? If you're happy, I'm happy. Okay, Dan, it didn't say it had to be

modified will. Hey, Linus, Luke, and Soundguy, with the video this week on that $30,000 GPU, if you guys had one yourself, is there something you could actually use it for, or would it just be like a novelty item you have? Absolutely. Labs was like salivating at the idea of having something like that more permanently, whether it's for like AI coding assistance or machine vision for like recognizing UI elements. and like verifying in-game settings.

What are some of the other things they wanted to do with it? Those are the main things, but there's also other like machine vision powered tasks that were planning that it could be applied to, but I mean, there's other ways. And there's also waiting a little bit. I mean, the AI industry is marching ever onward, and so there will come a time not long from now when literally millions of these GPUs. will be liquidated on places like server parts deals and we'll be nuts we'll be ready that'll be actually crazy uh there's also the chinese GPU companies that are trying we'll see how they go

we'll see what happens uh next look does float plane participate in standards bodies like SVTA no that was a short answer what is it i don't even i never heard of that uh i've heard of it remember hearing of it. Streaming Video Technology Alliance. Yeah. I've heard it. Like they would pick up our phone call. Okay, let's move on.

Yeah. How is the preparation going for Whaland? Is this the first time? This is the first time. Sorry, this is true. Oh, better. This is the first time I've been in a country that I wasn't born in. I am very excited, and the border agent didn't believe me when I told him why I was

crossing. That's hilarious. I'm going to a gaming party. Oh, love it. prep is going okay I still have some more things to do tonight after WAN show and I will probably still have some more things to do

in the morning but I very much look forward to seeing y'all there I'm going to be setting up a 5V5 tape to tape I think I said that on pre-show I'm not sure if I talked about that on when but it's weird not having it after when I don't know that it's bad it's just weird

well you're more than welcome to you know come help set up The 5B5. I'm going to be zipping over. Oh, are you going over there? Nice, just to see it? Yeah, help a little bit if I can. Okay, cool.

Yeah. Well, I'll be over there. Hello, DLLL, grabbing some new blanks. Love the feel and fit of my current ones. Heck yeah. What is the process you go through to pick up the right material? It's rare to find anything near the quality you have. So, quality is subjective.

There was another YouTuber who took issue with the materials that we use in our blanks. They basically believe that anything that doesn't have 100% cotton is garbage. I don't agree. I actually really like the feel of a cotton poly blend. So there's some subjectivity there. And that's kind of the answer is because I really like them. So we went through countless blank suppliers to find one that I really liked, and then we went with that. Greetings, wan.t.l. My question is for Linus. I've been watching a lot of older, early WAN shows. Do you ever miss having your cats on set? Love to hear your bengals mewing in the background. Lull.

I have wanted to have an office pet, basically for as long as we've had an office. And every single time, like, rodent incursions come up in a meeting. I'm like, hear me out. The cats kill flies. Office cat. they can not all but particularly good hunters will just kill anything they'll just kill everything is there a breed of cat that are particularly good hunters there can be so here's the problem is that cats are likely to cats bats come down cats are likely to be an allergen for people that is the reason that we didn't have an office cat from the moment we moved in here was that there was someone on staff who was allergic to cats that person is actually no longer here but I'm sure someone else is allergic and I've always I've always been of the mind that my love of cats cannot possibly trump someone else's being comfortable at work what

that was just amazing thank you yeah I hope that gets clipped um I do love cats a lot to bats because we could get bats for the fly problems the fly problems are deeply not solved lizards I don't need new, I don't need a

Cloverdale flu that leaked from an LTT lab. Okay, what's next? Oh geez. At Luke, I know you're using Cloud Fair for float-playing delivery, but do you use any of the devplant Z-T features or just CDN and WEF? We use like, yeah, a bunch of stuff. we've, well, I'm just going to talk more generally, but, uh, we use the heck out of workers.

We use, uh, R2, um, we use a lot of Cloudflare things. Clip that. We use the heck out of workers. It's a, it's a thing. I know, I know. Uh, when one fails, we just redeploy another one. I mean, yeah, it is. We have hundreds.

They're disposable. We have, yeah, over a thousand. If I remember correctly. And you just... We don't even pay them. You just toss it out when you don't want it anymore. Yeah, I've got to stop Googling how to kill children at work. Mother won't kill child.

What do I do? How to kill the ones at work, or you're at work when you're Googling how to kill children in general? That's the one. Yeah. You can't ask Cheat-G-G-T because you just get blocked, but... Does it just block you or does it ask you what you mean? I don't know. I don't normally just go around.

I feel like I have to do that now. I don't know. I just don't understand... Killing a child process. trouble with it. It's not that hard. I don't know how to do it from the command line. Well, like they're weak. My experience is all in car, not cloud infrastructure.

All right, next. Anyways, yeah, we use genuinely a lot of their things. R2 is semi-new to us. We've been using it for, like, since the beginning of R2. But we have started using it significantly more now. I wouldn't be too surprised if we keep using more stuff I've said it forever I really love the product of Cloudflare there are some issues with it I really wish it played a little bit nicer with Australia

but it's it's a fantastic product other parts of Cloudflare maybe not as big of a fan but their products are great hi DLLL for Linus have you thought about Whole Room VR for the land side of the badminton center zero latency VR is an amazing experience with cool games like space marine i have could franchise i don't want to set it up and also like oh my god i have to take all my nets down we have to move all the benches i have to set up like tracking and i guess we'd probably have to have like an entire fleet of like backpack PCs and you know peripherals to deploy it would be a whole completely different business model uh we do have some cool

room scale multiplayer VR stuff at Whale Land, but it's rolled by a separate company. They're just coming in to do like a trial one. So they're doing it for free this time and then they'd want us to pay in the future. We're going to see how much people like it. And if people are super into it, then maybe we'll do it again in the future. But we're not going to just turn the entire badminton center into a VR space. And this may be a surprise to a lot of folks out there who don't know that badminton's like kind of a big sport.

but we're actually getting really busy. Every time I show up, it's full. We're cooking, baby. We're cooking. Yeah. It was really interesting reading the comments when we first announced it on YouTube. Just like, hey, we got a land center slash badminton club. This will never work.

Is he joking? Is it money laundering? It's like, guys, there's a whole wide world out there. All you got to do to discover it is just open your mind a little. little bit. You'll like it. Come on in. The water's warm. And last one I've got for you today. Hello LLD, long time watcher. First time buyer. Question is for Luke. Luke, who, no, wow. Player housing is coming back before Christmas. It's time to come home. No, I don't even care a little bit.

Whoa, really? Player housing? Oh, okay. I don't know. Do you like, do you want player housing? I don't even know what it is. Uh, so I mean, I don't know what their implementation is. Maybe they make it kind of neat, but... Digital mom's basement? That would be really funny. But player housing in games, there's a bunch of different implementations for it, but it's like MMO, obviously, wow.

But you have a unique house that is yours that you can theoretically customize to a certain degree. So it's the Sims? In an MMO. Okay. I mean, well, people like the Sims. And maybe you can invite your friends over to your house and stuff. So it's the Sims.

But you have, like, like armor on you say that but like you played a lot of wow don't pretend you don't think the armor's cool no the armor is really cool why are you trying to be cooler but that's the problem is the armor is way cooler than the house I see yeah the armor is sick wow just being like yeah your shoulder pads are just like

four times as big as you right that was great okay brilliant so you would be into player housing Can't wear the house. As long as the door would be wide enough to accommodate your armor. No, because it's kind of a flex when you can't fit through the doors in wow. Okay, so you want a small door. And they weren't built for you. You want a small door.

So we've had horse armor. Now we have house armor. House armor, yeah. Okay. So here you are saying you don't care about the house, but then you're like, actually, I really like it when doors are small. Yeah. So you can't really have it both ways here. Look here, your worldview is confusing.

I just, you're not going to get. me to come back to wow by adding player housing which like MMOs had literally 20 years ago like I'm surprised that they didn't it's a good way to extract money what's up james c a you just an a you back to james c nice that was a that was the last merch message of the show and we'll see you guys again next week same bad time same bad channel bye Oh, my back.