The WAN Show - Android Has Become Apple - WAN Show August 29, 2025

Episode Date: August 30, 2025

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What's up everyone and Welcome to the WAN show We've got a great show lined up for you guys today Android has become Apple side loading What, who needs it? Who needs side loading? Why would you want to install any app you want? You should just install all the curated apps from the app store Good job, Google, you're doing great

In other news, GPUs are... Oh, actually, no, I'm going to go with the different one framework has done the impossible investment disclosure they have somehow convinced invidia to go along with their weird science fair project of a laptop and provide an upgradable GPU module for it with team green graphics whoa right whoa indeed that's weird but cool also uh the most important thing to me is a topic that i just titled in all capital Is Battlefield going to be awesome? And then like 12 question marks. Because my two most major concerns from the beta are maybe being addressed. We'll talk about that. And I don't know for the last topic.

Well, those are your major concerns. But what about your sergeant concerns? And general concerns. I have those as well. Do you have general concerns? I have general concerns. Okay. All right.

Also, Open AI is terrifying or something. Yeah. We talk about every week. This one's bad. The show is brought to you today by Factor, Miro, and you green. And of course, we've got our rap partner, Dbrand, our laptop partner, Del, and our chair partner Secret Lab. They all merit a mention.

Let's jump right into our headline topic, which is, of course, that Android has become what they set out to destroy. Earlier this week, Android announced that you shouldn't have to choose between open and secure. And they're now announcing that app developers will need developer verification even if the app is being sideloded.

Huh? How would that even work? There's a rollout period for this, starting in October of this year, where Android verification will enter early access. In March 20206, it will be open to all developers, and in September, 26, these requirements will go into effect

for Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand. And in 22, Seven, this will roll out globally. Many developers are calling into question the reasoning for this, since in the Android developer's blog post written by Suzanne Frey, VP of Product Trust and Growth for Android, she states, think of it, um,

oh, sorry, written by, think of it like an ID check at the airport, which confirms a traveler's identity, but is separate from the security screening of their bags. We'll be confirming who the developer is not reviewing the content of their app or where it came from now hold on just a gosh darn second how do you differentiate in the case of an app the difference between where it came from and who developed it huh i i i question you this i don't think the where it came from even

matters which is probably why they don't care her analogy makes no sense no Think of it like an ID check at the airport, which confirms a traveler's identity, but is separate from the security screening of their bags. So we'll be confirming who the developer is, not reviewing the content of their app or where it came from. But is not where it came from the developer. I know I think they mean like uh was this on a SDK download site I think they mean where was the the source that the user got it from not necessarily did they get it directly from the crater I think that's what she means does it matter no in my opinion there are more details to come but what we're expecting based on what we know so far is this will work similar

to Apple in the EU Apple research was mandated to allow side-loading on their devices using a similar verification method. This did not prevent Apple, however, from removing a popular torrenting app, iTorrent, from Alt-Store Pal, which is a popular alternative app store for iPhone. So basically, what this looks like to me

is that Google has been carefully watching from the sort of sidelines. Like, if you think back to when Epic, sued Apple and Google. See, people kind of forget that Epic sued both of them because Apple's a much more exciting headline and, you know, forming, finding any cracks in Apple's walled garden was a much more tantalizing, you know, Apple.

But, no, Epic very much sued both Apple and Google over the monopolies of their various ecosystems. And it seems to me like Google has been watching extremely interestedly from the kind of sidelines to see what exactly it is that Apple can get away with here to see what they can also lock down. And I think we're just kind of arriving at the logical conclusion, which is that, well, okay, if this is where the line is going to be, then we might as well be there. But I got to say, as someone who very much enjoys the side load ability of apps for Android, I don't really know what to do about this.

What does this actually change? Because like if they're not inspecting the contents of the app, they're just checking who it's signed by, who cares? Wow, that's a hot take and a half. Is there only certain developers that they're going to allow? Like what is the next step in this effectively. Like, is it going to be an allow list? So you have to be a known publisher by the Google Play store in order to be sideloded. The end of revanced if sideloding is gone. Yeah. So, like, they might preemptively ban certain developers, but then could you just sign as a different developer? But then you would also probably get banned for introducing some app that they don't

approve of and then but they're saying that they're not inspecting the apps sure but like come on how long is that going to last well that's what that's what i'm saying is like as it's current state it doesn't feel like it does anything so what is their next step i guess i didn't lay that i mean getting rid of apps they don't like because otherwise well what would be what would be the point i don't like it what i want to follow this up with is how's graphene going oh because honestly immediately upon reading this i was just like it's just another flag that i need to get out so is cool. Yes. As we talked about offline, we do have lives outside of WAN Show where we occasionally communicate with each other outside of WAN Show. So as we talked about already, there is a way to

get call screening. You can just like get the pixel dialer app and it'll just like include pixel features and the Graphene OS team's sort of position on installing apps like Facebook or apps like the pixel dialer is that, oh, well, you know, yeah, okay, you're, you are giving up some of the privacy that you might have with Graphene OS, sorry, I keep picking up, holding up this phone, but. That's on another one. You are giving up some of the privacy that you might normally have with Graphene OS by installing those things, but it is most ascertainly shiridly better than running those

applications in a not sandboxed version of Google's services and ecosystem. I had originally been like, well, if I'm going to like compromise the wall, why bother? But then ever since hearing that statement, it's been like, all right, I'm going to wait for you to finish. Yeah. But I might dive in. I am already running into some issues. Okay.

So here's an interesting one. I don't necessarily mind some issues. So Offie, for instance. Okay. If I try to sign into it, so let's go ahead and. Oh, nope, that is not my correct phone number. Here, I'm just going to get the exact right number. Ah, yes, this device does not meet the minimum integrity requirements.

So it turns out that there are some ways that Google does attempt to exert some control over device security. in this particular case, there is not, as far as I'm aware, not a meaningful impact on the actual security of that particular API that Othi is utilizing.

But if app developers... Sorry, I might have missed something. You said Google, uh, so is this, is this... Othi's using like a secure check API of some sort. I forget what it's called, from Google. Got it. Yeah.

So, you're not stuck with offy i can migrate off of offy in fact i chose offy like back before they were acquired and it was a whole it was a whole thing it was a good choice at the time it was like the choice at the time and since then i think people have moved on mostly to like ente uh i think i think that's how it's pronounced so i can there's a few now yeah so i could definitely move off of it it's not a deal breaker but it's just one app that i've found that do you to a choice by the app maker simply will not run

and as far as I can tell there's no real workaround for it another big category of apps that is challenging for the Graphene OS team is banking apps not because again not because there's any evidence that I've yet seen

that you must use this integrity API I keep forgetting what it's called and I'm sorry guys play integrity API I think that's the one TZN not because as far As I can tell, there's a meaningful security advantage to using it, but because it is a thing that exists that some app developers have chosen to use, and if they have, well, too bad. The good news is my bank doesn't use it, so that's good for me. For now.

For now, but yours might. Right. so overall i'm pretty i'm pretty jazzed about certain things like check this out like just how responsive it is like it's flipping how's your battery usage fast because my great my phone right now the the only thing that's like sort of tempting me on getting a 10 which i don't want to do and almost certainly will not do um is that my phone is usually like if i don't plug it in near the end of the night before i've gone to sleep it will die on me almost every day um well part of the problem for me to kind of i don't have an apples to apples comparison for you because i'm

running the nine a uh for both my my like daily driver which i actually i finally finished signing into oh my crap on this on my recent trip so i'm going to be popping my sim in it this weekend uh but the pixel 9A has like freaking legendary battery life like i'm at 83% right now and i've used it today yeah like i i can barely kill this thing in a day if i try yeah this thing's been a a bit of a tank the whole time and i do like it's pretty common uh like this is just because i i didn't plug my phone in last night right but it's pretty common that i'll like uh go for a walk or something when i that I'll play Pokemon Go and that'll battery hog like crazy. So that kind of makes sense.

I mean, okay, that's what you get. No, for sure. Gamer. Gamer time. But even when I don't, it's pretty bad. Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, I guess, oh man, what's going to happen?

If I had to make a bold prediction, I mean, Graphene OS is already a thing. Do we see more mainstream acceptance of alternative of androids? Like, do we go back to all the cool kids running cyanogen mod? Hopefully.

Because so far. It does feel like there's a bit of a wave going on. I do, to give them credit, not to not give them credit, to actually straight up give them credit. I think a lot of it is Steam OS, just normalizing Linux usage.

Sure. But I think also just Windows being really annoying and the mobile platforms getting more overtly anti-user instead of just kind of like shrugging it off with these lawsuits going on and then fighting it so hard and like clearly trying to skirt right along legal boundaries

and stuff like that. Most people aren't paying any attention to that though. Yeah, but it's starting, you get the hardcore and the enthusiast first. Sure. And then it leaks a little bit. I don't ever think a thing that you have to mod is going to be fully mainstream

at pretty much any point. But what if someone could deliver a pre-moded product? So, you know, what if the GraphQLS team? If you hit a certain amount of enthusiasts, gets hardware. Interest, then those types of things become more and more viable. Oh, man, that'd be a huge tipping point. Because, like, the edge that Google has and that Apple has,

it's in the camera, man. Yeah. It's in the camera. And so, like, that's been a different achieving feature for phones. for so long and it is genuinely important even to normies who don't really care that much about anything else to do with their phone like if it didn't matter we so many more of us would be using vivo phones or honor or whatever else and I know there are markets where those brands are more popular but at least in North America man the camera seems to be just

such a huge selling point and other than the big players it it's pretty tough to deliver an outstanding camera experience. Then again, yeah, I mean, that's a really great point in Flowplane chat is if the camera mattered so much, then Sony shouldn't have faltered the way that they did. I mean, they had pretty outstanding cameras. So it's going to be, it's hard for me to predict what the future will hold. But honestly, I think most people these days genuinely, where would I put it? uh i think it's all i think it's fair to say over 75% are just buying out of habit oh dude that's huge

okay so there's definitely some weirdness i just opened facebook whoa and it's just it's just flipping out session expired log back in i'd be let's see it's logging out now okay did we do it so has it been the most seamless of experiences no Dan, can you do me a super huge solid favor and kind of mark this timestamp and email that to me for my Graphene OS video? It's, dude, it's so frustrating. It's hard sometimes for me to catch

some of the behavior that I notice on devices as I'm working through reviewing them or daily driving them. And so I'll go out on camera and I'll say, yeah, the latest iOS is like a glitchy piece of shit. And people will be like, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like, well, okay,

but that doesn't change that that was my. experience and so it's it's great when I can like document these things that are just unequivocally weird buggy behavior the Facebook app should never do that that's not a feature of the Facebook app to move around like that yeah when you first open it oh this is but you probably don't need the Facebook app so maybe you'll be okay I don't know if I care because like if a very small number of apps work fine mine, if all of the rest of them have glitchy bugs, that's probably a good thing overall. If I could, like, designate on my phone, like, I want this particular app to, like, error out

relatively often, I would probably do that. I'm not even kidding, because there are certain things that I, like, have to have installed, but I don't want them installed. And I have to use them for, like, work, and then they might distract me. And if it was just like, error out, I'd be like, oh, right, I need to go do something. else anyways okay um i think that setting screen time limits and well i do that yeah sure i just think that might be a better approach than just this app that i'm just saying i don't think it's gonna bother me crashes i don't think it's gonna bother me uh i mean it's prompting me to log back in do you do you not

get bothered when you have to log into something to the main facebook app uh no i don't think it's going to bother me. If messages did that, I would get annoyed. Okay. So you don't get to pick which apps glitch. And you don't get to pick how they glitch. But that's why I said it. If very specific ones worked totally fine. Okay. Then. Sure. Yeah. Do I have the main Facebook app. I don't think I've ever used it. Do you need, you must need it for like, uh, nah, ha ha ha. See, there's always like a thing on it that I need, and then it has 30 other things that are really annoying. And then it will send the notifications and stuff for the other things. and I don't want them.

Yeah, I'm going to have to figure this out because it's like doing it every time. Every time I click log in, it's like flipping its biz. This is not something that I had encountered so far. Okay, am I quite ready to put the sim in it? Sure. You know what?

I'll go for it. And I'll just not use Facebook, I guess. Nice. Good luck, everybody. I feel like that's rough for you because of marketplace. I wish there was a separate marketplace app, but they'll never do that because they want you to see all the other Jones. That's right.

That's how they get you. All right. Why don't we jump into our next topic? You want to pick it? Sure. Battlefield. Okay. We're talking about Battlefield, which I know nothing about.

So I guess Luke's going to be leading this topic. You've played Battlefield in the past, right? I have played. Honestly, for this discussion, like the older, the better. About... Hold on, let me think. Let me check what the cover. cover art was, which should give you some idea, because it came in a box.

I'm assuming it's 1942. I played maybe an hour or two of Battlefield 2. Okay. Sure. So Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4 era and previous. No, I played a little bit of Battlefield 4. That's the one with the destructible environments, right? Are you sure you never played in 1942?

Everybody played 1942. Load up the box art. Load with the box art. Do you know how it makes people feel when you say everyone something? Load with the box art. You know, everyone loves ice cream. And then if you don't love ice cream...

Do you hate it when I say that? And then if you don't love ice cream... Do you hate it when I say that? You feel left out. You feel isolated. Like you're not one of everyone. Do you feel left out for not playing 1942? Literally everyone, you know, if I said everyone has an LTT screwdriver,

you'd be like... You don't exaggerate? stuff. But I... You crying right now is not an exaggeration at all. No, I never played 1942. Okay. Basically three, four and before, uh-huh.

All had server browsers and at least some maps that were enormous. Shut up. What? Are they bringing back like, like a server list? like can can people host their own servers they're bringing back server browsers what so the battlefield six open beta that just this is news from like 10 hours that's illegal the battlefield six open beta that happened they had two of them recently stop it there was no server browser you can't tell me something like this and then fucking rug pulled

me you can't it's not okay we'll get there we'll get there um there was no server browsers i Okay, I know. If I do not get a full release, you are responsible for my blue balls. If you don't get... Okay. It is only partial, but in my opinion, it's an only partial that is completely fine. That should, in my opinion, still give full release. Okay, carry on. So, in those play tests, there was two main problems.

I had a bunch of problems, but there was two main problems that I had. Okay. The biggest, most important one was no server browser. by reason for that is Battlefield is a very varied game back in the day all the maps were enormous and had tons of vehicles and then as it started getting more modern

they got smaller and smaller maps trying to compete with Cod and that was kind of okay but if you didn't feel like playing a small map you could just server browser and go to some 24-7 server and play whatever map you wanted as long as you wanted right

and then they took server browser away and right around that same time Battlefield went the six open beta had no server browser and had a lot of really small maps. Even their, like, biggest map, honestly felt like one area of one of the old really big maps in the old games. Um, Jets, like, you could have permanent visibility on a jet as it flew around the map because the map was so small. Like, just didn't seem, it didn't feel right. Right. Wasn't a battlefield. It was more of a battle area. I don't know. That old position. Battle room. Yeah, there you go.

Boop, boop, boob. Cubby. Um, um. So people wanted bigger maps and people wanted a server browser. And then this article from Rock Paper Shotgun appeared on, oh my, with all the ads, appeared on my device. Battlefield 6 is getting persistent servers and two vehicle heavy maps are coming in the next Labs playtest, 24-7 insert map here, only listings, here we come. So the asterisk, as a couple of people in float plane chat have pointed out, is that these persistent servers

are for portal which is like that's a whole other game user create this is like this is like Battlefield's version of Halo Forge

so it's user defined rules maps basically but that's what custom servers always were anyways like people pointed out like it's not the main modes and it's like I don't know if I care

Well, yeah, I mean, 90% of them are going to be some bullshit mode that is stupid. Yeah, but then there will just be like... 24-7, this thing. 24-7 domination, this map. Yeah, that's like, sick. That's what I want to play right now. Let's go. That's all I want.

And it's totally fine. So I am very excited about this. I'm excited that they're doing vehicle-heavy maps because vehicle-heavy maps almost always tie into larger maps. And I think they need both. It was weird when there would be like one jet in the air on each team. Because I remember back in the day you like spawn at the airfield and there's like a few jets, two helicopters, maybe two large helicopters and one small helicopter, a like row of tanks. Like it was very vehicle heavy and and the maps they've rolled out have been small and not very vehicle heavy.

So yeah, bigger, hopefully. They didn't say that part, but they said vehicle heavy. So hopefully bigger, definitely vehicle heavy maps are coming in the next play test. And the, like, actual important part is the persistent servers. That's huge. That's very huge. That's interesting. So do you think part of this is looking at, like, the war thunders and world of tanks

and cods of the world basically going, okay, there is a smorgasbord of pointy, gunny, explodey, at other guy, kabum, go die, go bye, like, games at this point. you know what do we do at this to differentiate ourselves because just having good gunplay I think I think you just take that for granted nobody's going to these days yeah nobody's going to look at you twice if you if you don't offer satisfying shooting mechanics gun attachments cool reload animations all that kind of stuff yeah all that stuff has been solved for quite a while it's just that that's a given yeah so could this be and is this what you were hoping would be so exciting.

Could this be a turning point where these guys go, oh crap, okay, Battlefield is stealing some of our market share by going back in time and doing things that players like. Maybe that's an idea that's worth exploring to do things that players like.

Yeah. Sorry, one sec. yeah i know um so yeah i think so i i think it's it's an interesting turning point i genuinely like name name a triple a shooter that you've been excited about halo infinite that was good i still like it i was i was playing the other day how high would you rate it uh name the last triple a game that you don't have to do that for b plus b plus when someone How would you rate it? Okay, hold on.

Let me think. A shooter? Yeah. Oh, God. See, okay, I was actually, I was actually pretty excited for Overwatch back when that was launching, because it looked like Team Fortress 2, but like more Blizzard. Which, it's pretty much what it was.

Yeah. And I never... Yeah. Uh, buh. Okay, hold on. Oh, God. Nine years. Uh, okay. Well, chat, help me out here. Chat, help me out. In my determination, it's been basically nine years. Okay, I was, okay, it's not AAA. Uh, but I was excited for Back for Blood. But then you also had the caveat that it was supposed to have been good. I never actually played that one because I heard it wasn't very good. Everyone just played Leffernette again, which was cool. a little bit. Buh. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Uh, wow. Okay. Is SplitGate 2 actually AAA? I don't think so. I think that's like double A. I think that's double A. I'm talking big names, household name. Charged nuclei says Unreal tournament.

Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. With that said, we should get some UT going at Whale-Land. That would be freaking awesome. So, yeah, basically it's been a hot minute. And in my opinion, it's because the studio has been focusing on the wrong things, all that kind of stuff. And the Battlefield 6 beta, to me, felt like maybe half a step in the right direction. Okay. Like, there was a lot of things that felt good about it, but like the lack of server browsers, the small maps, all these different things, they didn't really, it didn't feel fully correct. it's the first multiplayer shooter

that I had some amount of fun playing by myself which was a really good sign like without grabbing a crew yeah I have a buddy that works on that team and I messaged him that being like that was a really interesting sign I found myself playing it solo and was like whoa right because I don't know the last time I've done that to a shooter

you haven't even like games that much not really by comparison to like before the before four times so it was like it was it was in no small part it's because games have kind of sucked so it's it's interesting I wish I could find his his messages because I want to see the other

complaints that I had but but really like above all was the map size and the and the and the no persistent maps all right well I'm hopeful oh yeah so they did this thing where and this will hopefully not happen on the

persistent servers but they had a thing where it would auto fill servers with bots and I actually hated that because back in the day it was kind of fun when like every single player that was on the server had a tank because there was only

eight of us and there was or maybe it was like two helicopters, three tanks and it was like the war of that basically that was fun and interesting like I didn't Battlefield is all about the emergent gameplay in my opinion only in Battlefield was their old tagline because they'd show like the weird stuff you could do in Battlefield

that doesn't flourish when you're just stuffing it full of bots. Yeah, no server browser. Map sizes suck. Combat generally feels pretty good. Little light and fast, but it's not cod cancer, so I'll take it.

And it sounds like they might have even slowed it down. The medic feels really cool. The medic feels overpowered, which I think is good. Right, because when you see a medic, you should be like, oh my God, let's war crime him. Basically.

Because otherwise we're boned. Basically, to be honest. because like so the medic now gets paddles okay and you can just and somebody's up nice

which is crazy and you can like you're up you're up you're up you're up you're up so you can like lift a whole team what about Asia though

oh my God you can get a whole team up really really fast never a land war in Asia oh my God which Which is interesting because, like you were saying, if you don't take the medic down, it's like really hard to actually beat a team back.

Right. I think there's a certain amount of times that you can go down where you can't get brought back up anymore. And I know that if you get headshot by a sniper, I also thought this was a cool mechanic. You are fatally wounded. You can't come back. Oh, okay. That's cool. Which adds some interesting.

What if you're headshot by not a sniper? Then you can still be brought back up. Interesting. Okay. So it's interesting how they have like kind of hero mechanic. in the classes, but not so much. Snipers will have a role on the team other than just being fucking assholes

who don't actually help with anything. Yeah, except they'll usually just counter-snipe each other permanently, so they'll still fill that. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. But some of them will understand. Like, there was some, uh, there was a challenge where you had to get a certain amount of spots as a sniper. So I was playing sniper for a bit.

But I played, like, relatively close range. And I would really go for those like close combat headshots. And then you'd see medics run up to them. And it doesn't do anything. And then you'd shoot them because you're a Canadian. Yes. Got it. And you think that's funny.

Yes. Because you're a Canadian. Cans of food. Has it been long enough? Can we joke about that? Is that too soon? There's no way it's too soon, right? No, we're fine.

It's been like 80 years. Oh my God. Nobody read up on Canadian history. We're nice. I'm sorry. We said we're sorry. What do you want? They were expired, I guess. Okay.

They were expired. There was no war crimes in the Boston Sea. Someone expired. Oh, boy. Into pieces. Do you want a different kind of hand meat. You still got 22 minutes. When we're done the topic, you got to...

I don't have... Do you want to just move on? You still got 22 minutes for topic two. Yeah. I don't have the third one. I don't, but you just put whatever the next thing is. Do you want to do the next thing? We'll do the next thing.

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water bottles and desk pads and stuff anyway dan you want to show them how merch message works by reading one for us sure i can do that that's what i've done before i've got a few here this one here from blake he might even do it again someday yeah i mean if this doesn't go very well we'll see linus you've said ADHD helps you move on fast i jump from hobby to hobby and struggle to stick with things any advice on staying on track or turning that into a strength oh boy um yeah so i think the context that you're bringing up is when i said that um it kind of helps me get bored of something before the audience has a chance to get bored of it which in show business is kind of known as always leave them wanting more and um it's pretty good in my career but to your point it also

can prevent you sometimes from getting really into something with a level of depth that can turn you into a subject matter expert. Fortunately for me, I operate really well and I am able to perform well in my occupation as a generalist. You know, kind of with a surface level knowledge of just about everything to do with tech and enough to ask the right questions to drill down. the right amount to cover most topics, even if they aren't things that I have, you know, done an entire, like, postgraduate degree on, right?

As for, you know, how you turn that into a superpower, I mean, honestly, it's like, it's like anything. If you have a horse that has the superpower of, you know, being able to sprint for exactly, ain't exactly 12 seconds but then it needs to nap for two days it's like well that superpower is literally only useful if it needs to run a 12 second race so part of it might just be putting yourself in a position where you're running the right kinds of races that are that your powers are beneficial for because one of the things that i've discovered is that you can't really or i struggle to force myself to be interested in something i can i can do it for a period

I can kind of make myself learn something that I don't care about, but what I've found is my retention of it is extremely poor. So good luck. Yeah. Do you want me to call her in? My first question for Luke, Oh, that's a good question. I bet he hasn't looked out of that in over a year.

It's been a while. I was going to say, like, over two years, probably. It's been quite a while. We more look at, like, monthly. Oh, dude, Dan, you were muted. Darn it. They wanted to know how many gigabits does float plane push? Just kind of rough is fine.

And, oh, yeah, and he's pulling out his phone. Yeah, give me sick. He's going to go check it. Okay, should we move on in the meantime while he looks this up then? So one of the things is that I'm not going to, I'm not going to be able to like effectively fully answer your question because it's like if you're talking about, yeah, if you're talking about peak, I won't have that metric in front of me right now, but peak is not as anywhere near as important to us as like monthly overall throughput.

And the reason for that is. And you may not like it, but that's what it looks like. you may not like it but this is what monthly overall throughput looks like and one of the reasons for that is because we for VOD are using Cloudflare for delivery so we will send up from our servers and I think this is probably what you would expect it we will like if someone clicks on a video sometimes it will come from our server up to Cloudflare and then to the user a lot of the times it's already there, and Cloudflare just sends it to the user.

The most common situation where it's not already there is if you're the first view on a video. Right. Because it hasn't cached it yet. So you're the person who instigated the move to transfer the video, not transfer, to copy effectively the video from our origin server up to, let's not at that point, it's not being cached at this point. Oh, but it will.

Yeah, yeah. You're instigating the caching of it. Up into the Cloudflare server, and then it goes from Cloudflare's servers to Cloudflare's edge servers, then it goes from Cloudflare's edge servers to you. A long time ago, we did this ourselves in a lot of locations, mostly North America. Also Antarctica. Yeah, that was fun.

And these days we're almost entirely doing it through Cloudflare, unless you're doing a download, and then that's coming from somebody else, and then unless you're watching a live stream, and that's coming from somebody else, unless you're doing X, Y, Z. So basically, I just hear a lot of excuses. I have an idea, though. If we want to know the peak throughput, could you just look at it really quick?

Not really. Like, it wouldn't be, oh, my. Just real quick, just, you know. My God. One of these days you're going to get hit. My goodness. I'm trying to find, I don't remember where it is. One second. Should we do another one? I'll keep looking.

Yeah, dig it up. Hi, gang. Question for Linus, investing or starting your own business. What moves you to either? In what world would you start your own, quote-unquote, framework or invest in a badminton center? Oh, wow. That's a, that feels like a pretty deep question. So why don't we start with what made me make the various decisions that I made?

Why invest in framework? So that was a pretty impulsive decision. I hadn't met anyone on their team. All I knew about them was the laptop that I was holding and their kind of vision for it, which I very much was in favor of. creating a product like that from scratch felt completely outside of my area of expertise and I don't mean in terms of like product definition I think I probably could have done that pretty well but what I didn't have was the contacts and the experience

navigating the electronic supply chain to bring that all together and produce volume of it I mean, that was the hard part. Prototyping, the first Framework 13, you know, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but I think they would probably say it was pretty easy, relatively speaking. But going from prototyping to building a relationship with suppliers like Intel, with manufacturers, getting time on the assembly line allocated to you. There's a lot of more than just the costs. There's a lot of politics to play because every hour of every assembly line that they give to you is something that they could have given to some other product that might make them more money or might curry them political favor or might have some other they might be able to use for their own products so they could make more profit.

There's a lot at play when it comes to taking something from an idea to mass production. which is one of the big reasons that so many kick-starters and so many startups in general fail. So why would I invest in framework? Because I wanted to be part of that journey, but I knew that I had absolutely no capacity whatsoever for making it a reality on my own. And it's not like I'd never thought of the idea of starting a PC manufacturer. before the modern handheld PC era got, you know, sort of, I would say, not kicked off by the steam deck, but accelerated by the steam deck. It had occurred to me that I kind of thought a lot of the options that existed were okay, but there's things that I would have done differently.

and I did look at a company like IANeo before they were acquired because that tends to happen when you're just a tiny inexperienced team and you bring a product to market. You know, I looked at something like that and I went, wow, that's like a really small team. Like, could we just hire a small hardware engineering

and supply chain team and, like, make the LTT handheld? And then Valve launched this team back for like $350, $400. And it was like, okay, well, I'm glad I never had anything to do with any of that because then I would have just been out all of my investment and that would have been horrible. Where was I going with this? Right.

So it's not like it never occurred to me. I just, I looked at it and I went, yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing with any of this. So I think it would be better if I just butt out. And so I did. As for the badminton center. Oh, yeah, right. The last thing with Framework is on the one hand, I was looking at it going, there's no way these guys have a shot.

I'm throwing this money away. but on the other hand they're like developing they're going to be a laptop manufacturer so if if the slimmest of chances victory

if somehow they managed to achieve some kind of scale then I mean theoretically the sky's the limit in terms of what the total addressable market is for their product so it could be a good investment it's like any early

stage like very early round or angel level investment where you just are kind of you're throwing your money at something because you believe it has a shot or because you really appreciate the vision or in the case of me because you believe you can bring something to it that will give it a better shot at success and you throw that money in there and you go goodbye money and then maybe someday it comes back but if it does come back 10x or 100x rather than you know at a a more predictable rate of return, like a few percentage points each year, like you might get with sort of a more low-risk investment strategy. Okay, badminton center.

Why would I start my own instead of investing in a badminton center? Because... Where is it? Before the show, a viewer sent in this. it's a it's a it's a it's a birderang so it's like a robin thing uh something something our hard ars okay this is a well no because of the the incident the incident i know with the r and it's technically a hard r it is metal you know that sort of thing good job dell our laptop partner yeah um for making that delightful noise with your metal chat oh god did i dent it

no it's okay that'll buff out um the point is it's a dell the point is they sent me this don't worry too much about that um now i'm going to look for a word to describe investing in a badminton center because i'm looking for a word to describe investing in a badminton center it would not be a very good idea badminton centers are quite possibly on the earth one of the worst ways to make money you need an enormous building the court time is very inexpensive you need a ton of parking um you can only have a fixed number of customers at a time that is dictated by how much room you have on the court you're a very small amount of customers per square foot your busy hours of operation are uh irresponsible that's the word i was looking for

Bean 710 nailed it That was the R-themed word that I was looking for Responsible but with an eye in front of it Yeah, like Apple Yeah Like I'm putting eye on everything for a bit there I responsible, I are responsible

Right, yeah so For sure To be clear, to be clear You know before any you know LMGers are watching this going Well like what What the heck? Why are we funding a money losing bad

badminton club or whatever relax um there is actually a path to profitability but that path to profitability um is not going to it like it's not going to be sucking at the teed of lmg forever and in fact already it's like kind of cash flow positive but it's yeah yeah it's but it's it's a little more complicated than that but already it is it is not it is not a drain on any of our other resources but usually when you invest in something you want it to go woo well yeah so not being a drain is not usually like an investment indicator correct yeah and when you invest in something uh you generally expect a competitive return on that investment compared to i don't know buying invidia shares not financial advice so yeah why did i choose to start a badminton club

because i wanted a degree of control over that business that i felt i could with at least my my contacts bring some expertise to and it wasn't about pure return yeah was a life dream kind of answer the question

I always yeah I wanted my own club partially just because I wanted something closer yeah and everything else is basically I'm assuming there's one at least a little bit closer Coquitland Burnaby something

there's a couple and Poco. Yeah, but that's pretty far. And it's over the bridge, which means that traffic is variable. The bridge is quite the barrier. Yeah. Yeah.

With that said, with that said, Smash Champs is over the bridge for a lot of people and it's not that bad. A lot of our clientele is from like Surrey, Langley, Abbotsford, Maple Ridge, Pit Meadows. People do come up from Delta, Delta as well.

Most people aren't driving in from like Richmond. and Vancouver. Burnaby, though, actually, is pretty good for us as well. Yeah. I feel like if you're in Burnaby, bridges are part of life. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, it's bridges to anywhere. Yeah. Hold on, I've got our question here. Big sneak asks, Linus, would you be interested in renting the land party space to someone else hosting a land party? Probably not.

You know, one of the things I keep telling the Smashchamps team is, you know, in the absence of like a formal mission statement. Actually, I think we do have a mission statement. Anyway, the point is, I keep telling them, our guiding star should be asking ourselves, is this good for our premium members?

Because the premium members, the ones that are that are committing to playing here and probably only here when you're paying that much and being part of our community, those are the ones that we should be making the same commitment. meant back to um and so we should always be asking ourselves when we do something how does this benefit our premium members this is this is off general topic for wancho but it's a continuation of this topic so i'm going to send it um how's the food and drink situation coming that's not ever

or oh yeah it will okay yeah so uh because like to me it feels like a pretty complete package except you can't get snacks even because if you could get like a healthy smoothie Like that pairs with go play badminton, go to the gym really effectively, especially if you had some protein options. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So what Luke's alluding to is when we built the kitchen, we couldn't find a good consultant slash we were busy with a bazillion other things

getting that place built out. And we built our concession area with only one sink. And according to some bylaw that someone wrote somewhere, in order to do any kind of food anything, Even as simple as heat up a hot pocket and hand it to someone. We need certification for the people that are working there. We need two sinks, one dedicated to washing up and one for everything else, I assume. I don't know.

I haven't done the course. Food proof. Yeah. And there's a bunch of other stuff we need. We need more venting. There's a whole bunch of stuff. That's going to require us to go back to permit. And so now that we have a grand opening tournament done, one of the tasks that our general manager has on his plate is to put together all the things.

that we want to do and do one permit application because one of the biggest obstacles to getting fucking anything done, anything done for a business is waiting a thousand years for drawings to be done up and permits to be submitted

and somebody to review them and revisions to come back and then you pay a whole whackload of money to consultants and whatever. And then finally you're allowed to actually start building the bloody thing. Yeah.

And so being able to wrap all of that up into one permit application is going to be good. And we know it's possible because there's examples of it. Like Gold's Gym and Langley has a like a smoothie and wrap little mini restaurant thing. Oh yeah. Attached to it. It's doable. Like you guys might even get some interesting. I don't know how far you want to go with it, but you might get some money off of Uber Eats and stuff.

off of Uber. I doubt it. You had smoothies and stuff? Yeah, I doubt it. There's not much residential around there. So there'd be no reason to order from us versus something closer. Anyway, one of the other things we're going to do is we're going to add more showers at the back of Unit 102. And those will probably be premium member only.

Is there like a wait for showers right now? Right now, there's only one shower per sex change room. So, yeah, it's a bit of a challenge. Yeah, sure. food truck would solve the issue yeah one of the problems people are spamming invite food trucks the problem is it's not invite food trucks

generally it's pay for a food truck to be here because you have to pay a minimum regardless of how much they sell like food trucks they don't just like you can't just be like oh hey bro can you just like come chill with your food truck here yeah like you like you know all of their stuff runs off of

you know like gas diesel or gas and diesel and diesel and stuff so they like there's a significant cost to them sitting there running um like i get it and they're not you know they're not jerks or whatever for not showing up at our badminton club they just have better things to do yeah and people are asking could it be self-served yeah yeah uh there's a microwave in the premium lounge upstairs so people can use that i'm not saying fridge yeah i'm not saying nobody can get a snack ever as it is right now which is part of why it's not super urgent yeah it's like totally fine because you could bring your your shake or whatever you

wanted and throw it in the fridge or whatever if you're a premium member but it's still it's nice oh yeah 100% screw a tech yacht says clapped K24 accord tech food truck food tech I feel like that will eventually be a thing but it'll just be robots making food a future version of food delivery I think we can move on where it's like ultra fresh sure because they just made it outside of your door

like the food delivery vehicle is just the restaurant thank you Luke and it's robo driven and robo made food patent vending thank you Luke and then a little robo dog thing walks it to your door

and then walks back and stashes inside the truck thank you Luke and then it just drives to the next location and it cooks on the way. I love this. So it's piping hot when it gets to your door instead of like, oh, it was driving out for half an hour. Like pizza delivery, but it's a 900 degree oven

that drives around. Yeah. And then just... It's a stone oven? Yeah, it just gives it to you. Thank you, Luke. Come and collect your pizza. That'll be sick.

In other news... I'll invest. We've read your comments. Scrapyard Wars waiting room. When is Scrapyard Wars Part 3? It is currently being QC'd by our team. We will have it ready sometime later today. And while you're waiting, Sammy's literally typing right now. Why not check out?

That's something. Okay. And he has decided to go and fix grammar somewhere instead of continuing to type this sentence. Where in the world is Sammy you? Why not check? State of the labs. Ooh, state of the labs. What the language? Language, Sammy. Language. What is he doing? Why is he? I don't know what he's doing.

We're going to stop looking at him. All right. Anyway, the point is that over on the float planes, we have got some great exclusive updates right now. Let me see if I get. Pizza warmer on wheels. What? Part three.

Okay. Thank you for that. Let's go. Very, very recently, two days ago, Luke, Nick Harris, and Lucas. from the lab sat down and did a 40-minute discussion on what exactly the heck is going on with LTT Labs. So that's going to be an awesome watch for y'all if you are kind of curious what's going on

behind the scenes over here. We also have behind the scenes and extras from the which tech tuber can build the best $1,000 gaming PC as well as from our recent upload on channel Superfund. It's been a minute of Linus versus the badminton pros. So you guys saw on Channel Super Fun the keyboard warriors versus the badminton pros with their various

handicaps well now we've got Linus versus badminton pros with their various handicaps they didn't end up needing quite as many to play against me

nothing against the keyboard warriors they did a fine job but yeah I'm a fair bit better at badminton than the keyboard warriors were you solo against both of them well yeah but like

they, uh, that's a thing. I would play with singles lines. Did that make it over? No, I think I hit it out. You can tell because she's serving now. That means they won the point. And they were, you know, they were nice to me. You know, she could have smashed that a lot harder.

She decided not to. She kind of lobbed that. Like, they're, they're not trying to make me look bad here. Yeah, they don't need to. No, I know. I get it. No, he's doing good. Shush.

So you see how tight her network. training as compared to mine. Incredible. Yeah. Like that, that's the thing. Damn good at this. That's the thing. You played a little bit of Batmanton.

That's professional. I love how you start fluffing him up on the one that he screws up. Oh, you know I'm joking. Professional players, Luke. Yeah, Luke. Relax, how is this happening? Are you going to go to sponsors? I've got to go turn on Mark's computer.

Luke is apparently supposed to talk about how he envisioned labs, the massive re-haul, and a new egg collab type thing. Sammy has this thing. What? If Luke wants to talk about more, he could just not do the call to action below. I don't know what Sammy's talking about. Anyway, tune in next week, and we'll release the final episode of Scrapyard Wars and extra announcement. On September 9th, 10 a.m., we're doing a live stream director's commentary on all the episodes featuring David, Dan, Sammy, Natalie, Adam, and Hoffman, the main editor for Scrapyard

War is 10. If this kind of content sounds interesting, check out LMG.g.g slash floatplane. Oh, that isn't things to say. Those are things that are in the video. It's not a new egg collab type thing. It's that we're going to be having new egg pricing on the lab's website. Oh, that's sick. Yeah. Like, we'll just have an API and we'll just have pricing. Yeah. We're trying to do that with a lot of other stores. New egg has been the easiest to work with so far. Wow. Yeah. That's extremely exciting. Yeah. So

in the bring your own price tool there will be an option to insert a current price from various stores right now it's just new egg but theoretically in the future it'll be various stores and when you're looking at a product review it will show the currently pulled price from new egg and in the future other stores

that's flipping awesome outside of Amazon who else do you plan on working with we've reached out to a variety of people most people have ghosted us which is neat in Canada I reached out to Canada

computers didn't get a response. I reached out to... If anyone from Canada computers is

you know say hi chilling I'd love to hear from you I tried to email from my LM email

instead of my flow plane one and still didn't fully work but you know I'm hitting like public email inboxes

yeah so you never know it might just take a while it's fine I'm not I'm not cheased or anything we also

reached out to Memex memory express yep they responded really quick they need some time but they seem like they want to work with us.

We reached out to B&H. They responded, but the person who would need to do it is on vacation. So that's currently pending. Makes sense. We reached out to a few other smaller retailers in the state. Someone said fries. No, did not reach out to fries.

Didn't they go under? I thought so. Yeah, I think Fries Electronics is gone, bro. MicroCenter has no interest at all. They're mostly... Not even a little bit. They're mostly brick and mortar focused. They want us, yeah.

No. I mean, sure, we'll take that as an answer. Fair enough. Sure, we will. If the AI pros are doing it. Oops. Why can't we, you know? But, but yeah, we're going to work with the companies that want to work with us at the very least first, you know?

All right, why don't we jump into our next topic? Valve has changed the Steam user review system. This was actually last week, but I wanted to talk about it anyway, so let's make our way through the main notes here. Valve says they are trying to give a better indication of user sentiment by making some changes to Steam's user review system, citing the fact that users in different regions of the world may have vastly different experiences of the same game,

perhaps due to translation issues, cultural differences, or poor network infrastructure. So, with that in mind, Valve will start adding language-specific review scores for games that have a large enough number of players. Ben Sledge of PC Games N suggests there could be another reason for this change. review bombing

Sledge gave the example of the recent review bombing of Baldersgate 3 by predominantly Chinese players who were upset that Black Myth Wukong didn't win game of the year he noted that this new scoring system would prevent

a review bombing in one language from impacting the score seen by players of another language I think this is super cool Jordan Block adds you might remember that Baldersgate 3 didn't win game of the year either that was Astrobot

but that's not on Steam and since Larian's Swin Vink announced Astrobot as the winner close enough I guess bombs away that's Jordan's comment I actually don't know how all of that went down but anywho

what yeah what are you looking up oh it won some game of the year awards it won like an incredible incredible amount of them. Which one is he referring to?

I don't know. That's why I'm confused. Okay. Well, at any way. Look at, like, this is, this is what I'm talking about. I don't know what he's talking about. What? It won, like, an incredible amount of Game of the Year awards.

Which one won the Game Awards? What year was that? 2024? For the game award? The most recent winner is Astrobot. No, one in 2024. Oh, okay. I see what happened.

Astrobot won in 2024. Baldersgate 3 won in 2023. So don't worry about it. Don't stress about it. Don't stress about it. The point is I actually love this change. I think it's fantastic. This is great.

Realistically, I don't need to know you know, that a bunch of people from somewhere else with their own sort of cultural sensitivities or whatever else are mad about some game. I don't care. That probably doesn't impact me in any meaningful way. Totally agree. As a player who just wants to enjoy the game.

This seems like honestly they are going to achieve their goal of giving a better indication of user sentiment to be completely honest. Yeah. Because, yeah, like if everything that they're trying to do makes complete sense and is very cool and if like if i'm if i'm if i'm german and there's a game with extremely good german language support yeah but not as good english or something else it gets review bombed by a bunch of north americans and why would i care

about that why that doesn't matter me at all that's like not my problem 100% yeah yeah and i mean it also means that I am I am very likely when I start digging into the reviews and reading them to find stuff that I can read yeah which seems pretty useful to me uh once again based valve absolutely love it just thought that was cool to highlight sounds awesome that is very cool to highlight you know what else is kind of cool to highlight is some GPUs are showing up just listed on electronics retailers at MSRP yeah I'm going to do a quick test here because when I said there was an MSRP RTX 5090

the notes in the dock said not anymore so apparently oh man that one's gone okay well there was what's MSRP for 5090 1999 yeah I got this one an episode stock

yep got them so there was one but but but but but but hold on hold on hold on I looked earlier today and I found a 50-80 for MSRP in stock. Boom. Right there.

MSI shadow with three fans. Look how many fans it has. It has three. Three is the answer. Whoa. It has three fans. That's there. I found a 50-70 that was available for 50-70 MSRP.

Also an MSI shadow, 549-99. Now, do I necessarily agree? that $550 is the correct price for a 70 non-TI or super tier of GPU? I don't know. Maybe not. But what I can agree on is that Nvidia said that it was 550 and they have now officially delivered at least one that someone can buy for $550. I can agree with that. that's as far as I can go in my agreement

with anything to do with what NVIDIA has done with the 50 series launch I started a full point shot said the 1080 launched at 599 we are not saying that this is a price that we're happy about we're saying that we're happy that it's at least at the price that they said it was going to be at we have to take the Ws we can get

yeah GPUs in general are still way overpriced Sometimes they're little tiny tiny ws They're not so big Little w But we take them

There is We bend over and we take them Oh crazy Do you remember this one Do you remember this card? Oh God Why are we talking about this stupid thing again Remember how cool that card was?

I mean yeah Wow Wait is that available in North America now I thought it was region exclusive Is it in stock? You can finally have it It's in stock Oh my God

that's so much less than I paid for it. For the low, low price of multiple 5090s, you can buy a 5090. Or you can get that or a founder's 5090. Wait, how much is the MSRP, 2 grand? Yeah. So the low, low, low price of many 5090s. Luke, that is so much.

You can have A-5090. That is so much less than I paid for the one I gave away. Like thousands of dollars less. Wait, what? Yeah, because it was like over 10 grand, I think. Over 10? Grant? Maybe I, maybe I completely forget. Luke, I've blocked it.

I have mentally blocked it from my mind. Should we buy one? We should try to make the like, maybe that's the one you sold. The blue and gold 5090 we have at home for Linus. Oh yeah, we've got spray paint. Just mod one. I got an airbrush for our company event thing we did together. Let's do it. Yeah. Let's do it up. That's wonderful, Tan. Okay, I have a, there's a B-roll shot where I think I show the, oh no,

Apparently I paid $8,000 because that's in the video. Okay, maybe that's what I paid. Look, I blocked it from my mind. You underpaid. I blocked it from my mind. So you paid four 5090s for a 5090, not four and a half 5090s for a 5090. I mean, it seems like a great value to me. That's half a 5090 off.

Yeah. Wow. That's pretty good. Good job, Linus. Yeah. Deal finder. I paid less for my car. Basically scrapyard wars.

I don't like to think about what I've spent on my first car was it less than a quarter of that graphics car I think I paid 500 bucks for my first car yeah I'm betting it's shipping costs yikes a thousand dollars for a GPU to ship it's not the tax cost more than like I think both of my first cars wow oh that's so sick dude It's 500 Canadian as well, so it's like, that's nothing. I can't find the part of the video where I showed the... Dang, that's actually a sick joke. Cobble in full-point chat said,

Great Value 5090, but with the G and the V capitalized, and then versus Great Value 5090, but with the G and the V lowercase. And I love it. Great Value brand. Get it? Get it? Yeah, I get it. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I get it, but I think it's funny.

Is Great Value brand super overpriced? I didn't think so. No, there, no. No, it's my, it's, it's, it's, it's the, the joke is that you could have bought four and a half 5090s for this one. So this is the, like Walmart house brand chips versus the expensive one chips. Oh, I see. Yeah. Right. I'd hate to end up with a poor people gold GPU. There you go. You get it. But we could make one of those at home. I see. We could do that. Yes. We could get gold leaf. It would cost way less. We could get brass leaf. Yeah, how hard is it to gold leaf like plastic? you can go leave anything. Can you go leave plastic? Why not? I don't know.

Making the shroud for this thing? Like, you just pushed the goo on? Ourselves? Yeah. We have the technology. It wouldn't look as good. Yeah, no, it really wouldn't. It will look better.

No, Dan, I think you're I think your mouth's right in checks that your hands can't cash right now. Yeah, no way. I don't believe it. I'm not out of bank. Yeah, no, I know. You're on the land show.

You could 3D print the shroud well I mean you wouldn't need to 3D print the shroud because you would just get a regular astral I mean we could use their shroud we could get like how much is a regular astral it's like 3,500 dollars now we could do this we could pull it off

I mean you'd still spend less on the gold I just I just don't think I just don't think it's necessary you know oh dude you could make your own yeah we mean we make this amazing for sure yeah so we could do like a pearl inlay I was kind of planning to do a follow-up

where we either with a water block or with an air cooler did a gold 5090 to replace the one that I gave away the one that got away ah no ah but then that video performed so poorly and people were so mad

that I was even talking about it at all even though in the first like in the opening line of the video I make fun of it that I was just like okay well people clearly are not ready to have a sense humor about 5090s being stupidly overpriced yet so I'll wait okay um so we're just not we're not doing any gold 5090 anything so the internet killed this cool idea pretty much yep

that sucks yep darn it internet I know you know how it is you know how it is with the internet uh overall the the the channel's been very on the struggle bus lately in which luke and I were talking about earlier um especially especially very late um yeah even wandshow today it's like about three quarters yeah three quarters of what it would normally be it's been i i reached out to youtube about it because i was basically just like hey yeah you know i'm not going to be one of those guys that's all um but it it does seem like there's been like a very dramatic shift i do not remember the last time we uploaded a video and it got 350,000 views in the first day, day and a half, which to be clear is not, you know, a valid

complaint. I think that there's a lot of people, the world over, that would give their left testicle to get 100,000 views on a video. I think that was mid to subpar performance in the house. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If people want some scale. Yeah, that was like a, that was pretty catastrophic like 10 years ago um and and nowadays it's like unheard of i i don't remember literally we could upload a video unboxing a pool robot sponsored by the maker of the pool robot and it would outperform that by like 2x um so i'm i'm having a very i'm having a very difficult time wrapping my head around that it is possible that there has been no change whatsoever to how our videos are being served and it could be it could be a very challenging it could be a very challenging period

because we no longer operate as just like a you know a several man band and so when video performance goes way way way down it can be very problematic for us for the medium to longer term. And I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out sort of, you know, what some of the contributing factors are. I think this is funny, right? No, sorry, I just, I saw, sorry, I saw this thumbnail. Yep, it's new. I was trying to find some of our old content. Wait, hold on. The WAN thumbnail template that I use is like identical from 10 years ago. thumbnails? that's incredible it's just the old thumbnails i remade it completely in photoshop to match that style yeah it's it's just it's just old lcd thumbnails incredible that's how they all used to yeah i used a vandermotin uh plug in to

paint dot net to yeah that's what i learned yeah make them into put a font on a thing um anyway what was i what was the saying it doesn't really matter the point is that uh it's it's going to be a very interesting period over the next little bit because if we have to adjust to a new normal where every video upload gets kind of like 10 years ago views um that's tough yeah and i think we've got we've got to we've got to do some introspection right like i think we've got to look at the content and figure out you know why it might not be resonating i think that um there's some there's some new features on YouTube that maybe are not very compatible with our audience. One of the things that we might just kill is members, memberships on YouTube.

So if you are a member on YouTube, then don't worry, whatever month you are paying for at the time of the cancellation, I believe is refunded, either prorated or in full, so you won't be out anything. And we'll put up an announcement whenever we decide, if we decide, if we decide, to make that change and give you guys a chance to switch on over to float plane where you guys can continue to get behind the scenes and early access to select pieces of content

and all that kind of stuff. But I think right now, here actually you're on the channel so don't navigate away from that first sec. But if you just scroll down there's a lot of now that we've reduced our upload schedule there's a lot of members only content. I do notice when I'm browsing the channel

it is kind of annoying. It's like spam. Kind of cluttering it up And so I think we might be giving up valuable impressions on content that realistically only a few thousand people are even able to watch. And you can come subscribe on FlipLay. I had a discussion with James today, James, head of writing James, about maybe we shouldn't be utilizing the ABC testing of titles and thumbnails so heavily because if we are pretty sure that there's one combo that's going to be our

our best hitter, then why are we giving any of our valuable impressions and giving up any of that precious, precious early hours. That's a really interesting point. I don't think I've heard other people make that point, but that totally makes sense. Because you might lose, with how YouTube works these days, your subscription is so unimportant compared to your actual activity on the platform. So if you don't end up clicking on that, you don't end up watching that, that's so much higher of a blow that's an interesting take yeah um blah x9 says i think tech is just kind of slow right now people more interested in our in our wacky politics i i think i think there could be some validity there i mean the world is kind of on fire um in a lot of various ways but it's the it's the

suddenness of the change that is that leads me to believe that there has got to be something else because go back one month basically we don't have to go back very far. One month is not a long time. We go back to four weeks ago. Yeah. And we're regularly doing, you know, one and a half on a kind of not great performer. 1.2 million on a low performer that I don't host, which can impact video performance.

We're doing two plus on, you know, strong performers with me hosting. here's like a sponsored desk thing 1.3 million and yes you know these videos have all had a month to cook that these ones haven't but it basically overnight with the team water video went yeah okay let's let's not hit a million um we had the amd ultimate uh sorry rg rig reboot that barely cracked a million scrapyard wars which is usually a slower burn for us but barely over a million in this amount of time is sort of, again, unheard of for the channel. We have an AMD Ultimate Tech upgrade that I wasn't hosting. That could be a factor, but we are now down, like, very, very significantly over even

videos that I didn't host from just two weeks prior. So momentum, as much as YouTube kind of swears up and down, that it's not really a thing. It's absolutely a thing. And so now we're at the point where, yeah, we don't really. crack a million. We don't crack a million on a GPU review. Barely crack a million, barely crack a million. Don't crack a million on a follow-up to a 30-day challenge with the iPhone. Which is like a format and style and question and stuff that traditionally just smashes on YouTube in like almost any category, and we have evidence of it doing really well in ours.

And perhaps more importantly on this one, oh, I can't click through my analytics. I sent Luca I sent Luca picture earlier of the retention on that video and it's like outstanding so it's it's a little confusing right now but you know it's one of those things

where YouTube always tells us you know wherever you would say algorithm you have to say audience where you're trying to sort of diagnose you know what you need to do to

to help the channel performance and so we've got to ask ourselves okay well what is it about whether it's our packaging or whether it's our content that is not delighting our audience rather than that is not working for the algorithm and i think we have a lot of stuff coming in the next little while that is going to be very exciting for people i might as well tease it because who knows maybe that'll give me a shot at you know because there's a huge boost guys huge boost when in the first few minutes a lot of people who are subscribed to the channel click through on something like it basically makes or breaks a video how many people will click

through immediately at the beginning and and so you know maybe that's something we need to do better is like tease upcoming exciting content that's going to be super cool i don't know if i've talked about this publicly before but have i have i talked to you about the and man yeah i'm pretty sure I haven't talked about this publicly before. The what I call the Marquez model of YouTube shorts. No, I don't think we've shattered about that. I don't know if we've talked about it at all. So this was a very old theory of mine,

so it's going to be harder these days to dig it up. But if I go to his YouTube channel, he's done something, and he's done it a few times. I have one primary example. But he's done something that I thought was really interesting. I'm going to have to dig for it. Okay, this short. Yeah.

First of all, it was a banger. 4.6 million views. It did super, super well. That's okay. For a short for him. It was a major interest builder for his next day released rabbit R1 video. This short made the news. Right.

Because it like, you know, if you're interested, you should go watch it. I'm not going to play it on stream, but it like knows his location, but gaslights him about how it knows it's his location, basically. So it's interesting. This interaction, if I remember correctly, is not in the review. Right. It's purely, like, phone filmed additional fun content that built pre-interest for the video was released as a short very quickly before the video came out.

So it primed people for like, this is top of mind, and then his review comes out and they click on it. So we've tried that. And he's smashed that a few times. We've had varying levels of that. success with that. There was a period where we were trying to film an accompanying short for basically every shoot. See, but that's another thing is he specifically does not do that. Right. Okay. They're actually like sometimes like it, you notice if I if I go on his main channel, this is part of the whole thing. Yeah. If I go on his main channel, scrolling to find the rabbit video is like. No,

you passed it. There. No, it's down here. Oh. Okay. It took a while. Right. scrolling to find the rabbit video in the shorts didn't take almost any time at all because he's not forcing a short every time it seems like he's only doing a short when he thinks it can do man I'm making a ton of assumptions which is yeah

to me externally it feels like he's doing shorts when he thinks he can do this whole elube thing where he releases a short right beforehand it builds interest and then he releases a video afterwards I've never talked to anyone from that team about this so I have no idea if that's a goal but just seeing this happen externally it feels very logical and it feels very planned and thought out it might just be random

but i don't uh i don't think so yeah it's interesting because i know that we did for a while we tried to like force shorts out every time um i think that dulls the blade a little bit yes and no i mean some of them performed very well some of them didn't perform that well what we basically observed was regardless of how well the short performed, it did not move the needle at all in terms of bringing viewers over to our long-form content. It seems to exist. What kind of shorts did we do? Did we do shorts that actually built interest for a upcoming video? Or did we do shorts that were interesting just within themselves? So we tried a variety of things. So some of our shorts were meant to be

a teaser. Some of them were supplemental. Some of them would come out after and they just highlight a really amazing moment from the video that was already out and we would link back to it. So we've tried it both forward concurrently and retrospectively to kind of drive people to the long form content. And what we found, and this has been basically kind of proven now at this point, is that it's unless you really have an amazing strategy or you have a vertical that you are active in that you know it works really well in um they're pretty much kind of separate the shorts audience and the long-form audience are are are quite separate surprisingly so to someone like me yeah i quite a few creators that i talked to at open sauce don't

agree um yeah and like i said it's fine to be interesting some niches it works well yeah it depends It really depends on, like, YouTube is so weird now. There's these, there's like completely different user behavior based on kind of, yeah, what your niche is. Yep. What your, like, category on YouTube is, what the age group is, all that type of stuff. And it's not necessarily what you'd expect. Like, you look at shorts and you're like, okay, zoomers. Not really.

Not necessarily. No. It's really not that simple. But how they interact with them might then be. different. Maybe one age group is or or one demographic within one age group happens to follow up and watch the next thing a lot. Maybe another age group just only ever watches or another demographic within an age group only ever watches shorts and they don't care. It doesn't matter if there's a cool video coming. The only watch shorts. Who knows? It's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's weird. It's kind of odd having them both exist on the same platform. It really is because they do feel like very very different user experiences and and I think a big part of our challenge too is that the variety on our channel is so wide. I think that you could use your shorts as a much better funnel. Say, for example, you were a programming channel and your shorts are helpful little tips and tricks and your long form is more of like a detailed tutorial. I could see that acting as a very excellent funnel, whereas when what we're doing is kind of like, like, a technology edutainment, then I don't really see how an interest in our short is necessarily going to wet your appetite for a more long-form style video. I mean, a lot of what I see

that is very successful in the tech category for shorts is, I don't know, it's something that I just um i'd have a i'd have a hard time figuring out how to use as a funnel into the type of content that we do and maybe that's just something that requires more imagination i don't know shorts uh shorts are tough for me and i mean there's you know if we're if we're being completely honest and introspective right like we have a major brand problem right now um like here i'm trying to find where is it Control F from the recent

wrong window yeah from Bent Bob Tito so Macho Nacho his community posts regarding the collab video with us had a high level

of negative response you know like there's like a major not small you know part of the tech community that is just completely tuned out at this point in a like we can never reach them again way yeah okay so we mean yeah

um and so that's that's tough right because that type of a that type of a poison is is constant um and and i'll be honest with you you know i don't really know how to deal with it right because no matter how many times we do the right thing i can't i can't fix that people are going to throw you know the backpack warranty in our faces. It doesn't matter how many times we totally cover everyone who has a product or has trouble with our products. It just doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter what the intent was. It doesn't matter what our actions have been. It just matters what, you know, some snake put out to a very large number of people to poison their opinion, right? Yeah, it's unfortunate because, like, the labs, it feels like no matter what we do we have this carried perception now

like the obviously there's an error rate it exists we publish things with mistakes sometimes it happens but I would like to argue that I think our error rate is very very low I think it's reasonable I think we've done a really good job of fixing that and it doesn't matter like there's that one comment that was on Reddit that I think I talked about last week

where the guy was basically like, it's okay if you watch their content for entertainment, but it's not okay if you try to, like, get information from it. It's like, what are you talking about, man? Like, I don't know. No, I get it. And like I, we have always said, you should look at multiple sources, but I think it's very valid to consider us one of those sources right now. Um, no, it's a, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a pretty tough thing to uh to to to deal with and i'm i'm really not sure how to um yeah i'm really not sure how to how to deal with it yeah i don't know unique username says maybe you should have let other creators actually express that they stand with you what does that mean what does

that mean i'm i'm not sure like it's um i actually i have no idea what that means yeah i don't know I don't know It's a pretty One way or another It's been a hell of a ride You know But I think there's a certain I think there's a certain

Sort of best before date On any kind of public figure One way or another We've seen that like a million times Like literally a million times I mean it's it's such a It's such an easily observable thing. South Park's literally done a whole episode on how as people are brought up to the top,

they will inevitably fall. And there's, there's gravity works, right? There's, there's no real avoiding it. And I mean, I've talked to you many, many times, you know, every time there's like a downturn in the channel, I go, okay, is this it? Right. And you know what? Maybe part of the problem, maybe part of why it's sneaking up or not. I don't. don't know we'll see how it goes right is that i have become sort of numb to it um and maybe maybe i've been complacent right that's a possibility you got to be open to anything right i think i think the the fact that you can go back one month in the channel and they are like bang in performance means that unless there was some form of youtube algorithmic change that we can fix

the flow that's happening. One month is ultimately not that long ago. There is the production lag that you've brought up. Yeah. Where like... It's slow. And it is slow and it'll take time to get out of it and stuff. But, yeah.

A unique username clarified. During some of the controversial times, you took the high road and didn't want to stir the pot, even though your friends in the community told you they're happy to publicly endorse you. You told them not to. I do think I know what you're talking about and I don't know

to go back and do everything again yeah maybe I would have done that differently maybe I would have just gone full like gloves off this means war immediately but the problem with that is that right from the get-go people didn't want to hear what I had to say and I think that was I think that was that's not something

that is easy to, you know, look back on necessarily from through your own emotional lens. But, you know, if you could really put yourself in the headspace of two years ago, were you ready to hear about the parts that were just a clumsy accident or... No, they were not. No. And so, you know, if I, if I had, if I had rallied the troops into, into, into, into, into, into two camps, us versus them and who supports who, I mean, I mean, just look at the, and like, look at the subreddit from that time. There was, there was, there was, there was, very few troops. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, it's, it's, I don't know. And ultimately what we wanted was a, a, was there to be no fighting. prime YouTube tech era was when there was alignment and I don't mean alignment as in like everyone

automatically agrees on everything actually less so because back in the day you could have two YouTube tech reviewers say a different thing about a product and it didn't immediately become a this person has to be crapped off the platform

because they didn't agree with the common view. And now that is a thing that happens. And that is incredibly bad for the industry. But now it's this extremely tribalist war of like my camp thinks of this thing about this product or this service. Therefore, everyone must agree with the exact byline that has been stated or else we are going to cancel and remove them.

And that's like really bad. Now, again, if there are, there are falsehoods in statements that are made, if there are inaccuracies in data, something like that, that can be bad. There is also human error there that I think should be accounted for, but I think the tribalism and the them versus us stuff is not helpful. Now, that being said, if that was the actual thing that was causing this current state, it would have applied a month ago. Yeah.

I mean, Tim SP in Floopplane chat says, you can only fix this if you caused it. If this is because of political, economical, or social things, which are causing people's viewing habits to change, you may not be able to fix it. In the past month, for various reasons, I've greatly reduced my YouTube watch time, and I don't know if there's anything, any of the channels that I watch could do to bring me back into it right now. And that's fair enough. I mean, we are living through unprecedented times, which is always true. You know, nothing that happens has ever happened before, quite exactly the way that it's happening now. but yeah it does it does feel like um no it it does feel like things are are pretty different lately and i i get that um

yeah man this is tough because it's challenging right because if you if you listen to audience feedback you are basically guaranteed to fail. And here's a great example. So this is from someone in float playing chat who says, oh shoot, I hate the way that scrolls. There it is.

I'm just bored with a lot of LTT videos. I've seen all the let's build a PC videos that I could ever need. How many phones do we need? Anyway, the more interesting content is tech news and the WAN show. I miss watching you guys do customer. and builds.

Okay, but you did so wait. Are we supposed to build a PC or are we not supposed to build a PC? And, you know, that's,

but that's the kind of feedback, right? Is we get that a lot where people say, oh, you should go back to just like building PCs and it's like, okay. So we'll do a video where we just build a PC and it turns out that you know, as useless as

LTT might be for actually learning anything, basically everyone who watches LTT has a pretty good idea of how to build a PC and they don't really watch that anymore. They don't tune into it. And that's one of the reasons that we kind of got rid of doing super regular PC build guides

like we used to. And we just upload once every couple of years how to build a PC the last guide you'll ever need because it has all the information you could possibly need to build a PC and there's not really a whole lot else to say other than to wait until the next major change in the industry and we'll hey we'll get you all the updates

and we'll do a new revised version of it um look and i were talking about this before the show too i think a big part of the challenge is that the the PC industry has just kind of moved on from building your own PC like everything from the pricing structure to the marketing to the product development is and it's always been more focused on system integrators i mean if you think intel you know has been more concerned over the years with what joe custom pc overclocker thinks compared to what michael dell thinks come on come on be real right but it does feel like to an even greater degree and i i think a great example of this is invidio's GPU pricing like we just talked about just now earlier on the show how okay it's a small w but there are some

geforce cards available at msrp and immediately it's like backlash that's too expensive it's like yeah okay you know what you're probably not wrong um there are market forces at play that are kind of contributing to this other than just pure invidia's greed um there's also TSM's desire for profits ASML's desire for profits anything built on the latest nodes is going to be exorbitantly expensive compared to what I think

tech enthusiasts are used to. There's the competition for those recent node wafers in industries like AI where investment money is flowing like water. So there's all these factors, but that doesn't

change that the initial gut immediate reflex reaction from the PC gaming community is fuck that, right? And it's like, okay, well, how do I really like, how do I deal with that, you know? How do I talk about that in a way that doesn't just kind of turn all of us off?

And so back to my point about the pricing, right, is if you're buying a whole system and if all these companies are basically gearing their strategy around system builders, that difference going from a 70 class card being like $380 to now being $550, well, that was probably going in a $1,500 PC. So that difference in price is now, you know, what,

around $170, $180, which is, I don't know, about 12% higher than it would have been if the last time you built a PC was in the 10 series days, which seems pretty reasonable. from a inflation standpoint since then. So you're not thinking about it the same way. If you're just going to Costco and you're buying a PC off the shelf

that happens to have a 50-70 in it, for instance. So it's a very different mindset, but that buyer is not one that we can really appeal to that well. I don't think that the person who is going and buying a gaming PC at Costco cares about how many gigahertz it has. and I don't think they want to care I think they just kind of have other things to do

and other concerns that are more important to them and you know I think it's a real challenge and you know I'm not I'm not interested in you know moving our channel to just be angry all the time I think that's something that's really effective for a while but I think it's something that is ultimately

extremely fatiguing and therefore problematic for, I mean, everyone. I don't think it's in any media outlet's best interest to fatigue the entire addressable market for your content. But it feels like it's happening. TechE93 says, yeah, it makes sense if you just look at inflation, but if you take into account the amount of just expendable income now

versus then it does change the story a lot and it totally does. But it depends on who we're talking about, right? So the recovery has been very, very K-shaped, as they say, which is to say that in the lower income brackets, it's been awful and people's spending power has gone way down. And in the higher ones, you know, where you can afford to be invested in the S&P 500. Man, the way the stock,

have gone over the last quite a period here I wish I was a stock investor this is not investment advice and I I don't own any stocks that I know of it's possible Yvonne has something in like a mutual fund of some sort but I yeah I don't know I don't I don't like pick stocks and buy them and so there's there's folks that are doing extremely well right now and that's hard i think for a lot of people to hear because that's not their reality day today but it it doesn't it doesn't change the fact that for the people that were doing really well already they're doing they're doing great they're doing fantastic um yeah what do you think i stick my foot in my mouth super good as usual like i'm trying to reel talk with

them today today today it's kind of my it's kind of my what time frame are you talking kind of my skill because i think you've done that a bunch of times but i honestly i really don't think like that that that really to me doesn't make any sense as like the what's causing what's happening right now I think that's a fairly nonsensical argument, to be completely honest, because why wouldn't that have impacted it a month ago? Like, that's a, I, if you can't beat that statement, then what are we even talking about? Because, like, that is all relatively old at this point. So, like, why are we still, like, the marching orders for dealing with that was basically

just get better and we've been working on it and in a lot of ways accomplishing it. There are still problems and we're still working on it. Um, but like, I don't, like, like, honestly, these videos didn't even include labs. Well, the 50-50 one did, I guess. Yeah. Um, and I thought the team did a pretty good job. I didn't see any comments about like inaccuracy issues or things like that. So like, no, it's a good review.

I don't think that's what caused this. Something else is going on, whether it's YouTube algorithm or whatever else, I don't know. But I think focusing on that is focusing on the wrong thing. not okay to be clear not that we shouldn't continue working on improving in those aspects but focusing on that as the thing to focus on and fix right now because of the thing that's currently happening with low performance on the channel I think is is misleading yeah yeah I don't know we'll we'll soldier on we always do I think the most important thing is you know from the laws of making good videos is to have fun

and we have a lot of stuff coming over the next little bit. Oh, yeah, back to sort of teasing some stuff. If you guys wanted to help a brother out, you could maybe click on the notification when it comes out. But I don't know if you know the story behind the CPU chiller that I bought? I do now, but because I think you're too excited and he told me it. Okay, that makes sense.

So I'm going to tell the story as if Luke hasn't heard it, and then you guys will get to hear it. Wow. Which is basically the WAN show. Yeah. No, no, a lot of the time... Do you know it's fully scripted, right? Oh, you can't hold that.

And pre-recorded. You just put your foot in your mouth again. I know, I'm sorry. Don't make me turn off the prompter. Dan has all the power. See what happens, flow plane? Technology. To set it back to the top.

We can go from the beginning. So I treated myself to a pretty extravagant birthday present. not because I was particularly looking to spend this amount of money, but because I was in touch with Mr. Charles Fuggerworth, who ran extreme systems for many, many years, and who was a central figure in getting me into PC tuning, overclocking, sub-zero cooling. Basically, I wouldn't be sitting here today

if it wasn't for Charles and his website. I've talked a lot before about how a non-tech was a major early influence for me reading the articles that were above my understanding, especially when I first started reading them, but just kind of like powering through it and trying to absorb as much as I could. But I haven't talked as much about Extreme Systems.org and how much that meant to me having a community that really shared in my passion for delitting CPUs. Like where else would I have gone back then when I was the first in the world. to delid a QX-6700 Extreme Edition via a novel method that as far as I could tell nobody had ever done before. So in order to keep the heat transfer from being too high, I cut the gasket, I jammed something into it, and then I actually used thermal compound and stuck it to the underside of a pot. And then I kind of like flambayed it over the element until it came off.

and so I was able to avoid applying too too much heat. I was able to get to the solder plane. I had very rudimentary tools. Okay, chill. And yes, I washed the pot before using it again. Yeah. But where else would I have gone to even tell someone who might care about that? Only extreme systems.

Anyway, we ended up in touch with Charles a while back because he was having some database corruption issues that I believe Luke's team and Charles are still kind of working through, getting the site back online. Our team is not working on it. Oh, okay. He's working with, what is that forum company? The bulletin? Yeah, he's working with them directly and we're helping fund it.

Got it. Okay. So that's our involvement. Because I noticed the site was like gone and I was like, okay, this is terrible because this is like a very important bit of computer and overclocking history. There's so much on there. And so we reached out to help. Anyway, we were like kind of back in touch again.

And I was like, hey, did you? you still build like phase change coolers because it would be super cool if we had a less janky um like sub zero cooler for you know we'd just done the uh the collab with slave and we'd kind of pushed for some some super high scores and overclocking and stuff like that and i've always enjoyed that stuff and um i had always kind of dreamed of having a phase change cooler getting the certifications and

fine tuning it and building it well that's the more challenging thing but you know it had always been they'd always been intriguing to me and so I was like hey do you like still do builds and he was like well I don't know kind of not really

but what I was thinking of doing is like rebuilding my like OG three stage cast Skade, Sub-Zero Cooler, and selling the current one, I kind of went, like your one, like, the one that I would have seen, like, in your profile pick, like, on Extreme Systems, like over the years, he's like, yeah, like, the one that I've taken on stage and at Intel presentations and, like, beaten world records live with.

and I was like, sorry, you have a, you have a price for this? The price was a practical family sedan, but included Charles coming up here, showing us how to use it, breaking a world record with us on it, and providing all of the manuals and providing some, servicing for it and I'm actually even more excited the the second part of the collab is he's going to come up again and I'm going to build another thing that I kind of always dreamed of so I get to build my own phase change cooler we're doing a build that's going to have two one for the CPU one for the GPU side by

side in a rack mount enclosure and then I'm going to have for the first time since before I met Luke a daily driver sub-zero machine so we're going to make a rack-mounted dual sub-zero compressor

phase change cooler system that's going to come out the back and then into my daily driver machine in the rack with one of the

evaps going on the CPU and one going on the GPU and Charles will build one of them and I will build the other that's pretty sick yeah so I'm going to have him do the

out of the more important one probably but I'm sure mine will be fine so it's a personal rig update it's going to be lots of it's going to be lots of fun it's kind of like a multi-part personal rig update because first there's the unboxing of the beast then we have the like

using it and breaking a world record those are both shot already very excited for you guys to see them because it's like old school LTT fun unboxing wild stuff and then we're we're putting together our parts list and procuring items for his second trip up here,

which I am extremely hopeful will happen. I mean, unforeseen things can happen, but we're on track right now when we will build a couple of phase change systems together. And I'm, like, I'm so excited. Hell yeah. That sounds awesome, actually. I've air-cooled a lot of computers.

I've water-cooled a lot of computers. You name it. I've bent a tube around it kind of thing. But I have never built my own phase change. cooler and I'm like very stoked that's pretty sick before you freak out chill pun intended we are going to have we'll have a certified HVAC technician advising us because Charles for all of his knowledge and talents is not certified he's just a DIY enthusiast which is what I've always loved about his vibe right is he's just like yeah maybe I'll teach myself for air conditioning

today? Yeah. Okay, sure. Why not? But I'm super excited. And we've got, oh, man, we have so many cool videos upcoming. I just hope anyone watches them. I hope anybody gets a notification for them and, like, sees them. The biggest TV in the world is in the mail. Okay. Again. Again. Do you know how much bigger it is than the previous biggest TV, the one that's in my theater room right now? One inch. Oh, yeah. Is it? Did you know that? No. It is one inch bigger.

But, yeah, no, Chad's optimistic. They're like two inches, gna dog. It is one inch larger. It's 116 inches. But what's cool about it is actually not necessarily the size. What's cool about it is the backlight technology. This is if the demos that I've seen and if the technology briefs that I've read hold up, this is it for OLED.

It's done. it's over oh there's like a technology that is better that is in this tv okay it uses an rgb backlight whoa right so instead of your local dimming zones being white light or you know a blue light with a filter layer or whatever else instead of using quantum dots to create colors or whatever, you are assisting through the light emission from your backlight layer to create a color volume that just nothing else can touch right now. In theory. In theory. So it is it is the most incredible inch that you'll ever see, which is exactly what I tell my wife. I'm not going to ding it because it's not a joke.

there you go rough um so yeah i don't know i mean that's coming up dude we got i don't know we got all kinds of good stuff we've got some just kind of back to basics you know old school l t i needed a chrome book again so david and i went chromebooks it turns out he needed a chromebook too nice so we went we went shopping for chromebooks together it's it was i learned about Chromebook Plus. So that's something. I didn't know what Chromebook plus was. I've never even heard of that.

Yep. Yep. So I am the proud owner of a Chromebook. Are you a proud owner of a Chromebook Plus? Yes. Is that a product or a service? Yes. Oh.

Why not? Okay. Yeah. All right. Why don't we... Oh, shoot, we're supposed to do sponsors. We should do that. We should do this.

Next week, we should talk about upcoming stuff as well. Sure. We should do it every week. Yeah, we could do that. Yeah, that should be a Wancho thing now. Dude, I'm trying to, man, I can hardly even remember it all. Yeah, but now if it's just like a thing, they can just put it in the dock.

Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, we could do that. Yeah. Sure. This should be a thing. Yeah. Okay, well, there's another one coming this weekend or Monday. I can't remember, but it's Nintendo's greed could change the tech industry and basically

talking about the completely unnecessary and anti-consumer. that Nintendo has taken with the Switch 2 Dock. I kind of like the title. Did it say can? Could. What if we were like, Will? It probably will. But I don't, I can't say that for sure.

You want me to change it to Will? I don't know. What does the audience think? Or would you click more? Would you click Could? Knowing that it's probably more accurate? Or would you click Will? and there we go

yeah they just always agree with you though if I had said the opposite thing they would they would say it should be wood someone said fire spots of course it's the new turnip the way it's always has to have like a default answer for things

I don't know do we encourage them or I don't know if we do but we definitely shouldn't. I mean, Twitch says I will encourage them as well. Twitch? You monitor Twitch chat? I want to monitor all chats. How have you kept your sanity, sir? I just, I just banned somebody.

Are you? I actually have to moderate all the chats at the same time. Did you ban them for using an inferior platform like Twitch? They were not using Firefox. Oh, well, that... And they admitted it publicly. You can run a script that just bans everyone in your chat. Really? Yeah, there is ways to do it. By Twitch! there are ways to do that there's um didn't say to do it dan yeah don't oh

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Yeah, let's do it. Open AI to add parental controls following lawsuit from family of unalive teen. Yes. Content warning. Self unaliveness. Self unaliving. Thanks. I don't think we should name them.

Nope. Why is their name in here? So that we remember him. should we name him well i mean the parents are being very public and trying to trying to get change happen okay so yeah the parents want it then i guess it's i think that's the way it's going to be uh i don't know we could just say a young man a young man unalived in april they were the age 16 they yeah don't worry about it did stuff.

They didn't leave a note. They didn't leave a note. They signed up for ChatGPT. 4-0, I think that is not 40. Yep. Account months earlier, they used it for school. They started discussing unaliving with the chat bot. ChatGPT repeatedly recommended Adam talk to somebody about how he was feeling.

Adam asked ChatGPT for advice on the act. ChatGPT refused to provide specific information, but did say it could provide information about about that stuff for, for reference. writing or world building, Adam then bypassed safeguards by saying the request for a story he was writing. Yeah. It's so tough. The lawsuit from the family claims that chat GPT actively helped Adam explore methods for this type of thing, naming OpenAI and Sam Altman in the lawsuit. On August 26, OpenAI made a blog post titled Helping People When They Need It Most. It goes over what chat GPT is designed to do and what they are going to address when systems fail or fall short.

What we are planning for the future, in quotes, is expand interventions to more people in crisis, make it even easier to reach emergency services to get help from experts, enable connections to trusted contacts, strengthen protections from teens, and then the strength of protections from team section mentions including parental controls that give parents options to gain more insight into and shape how their teens are kind of able to use chat GPT so I don't know

none of which are going to solve this problem yeah I don't know how much of the actual snippets from the chat history I did and I think this was a very light telling of it in regards to chat GPT's involvement

there was there was one part in particular that there are actually man there's like pushed them to not talk to people and hide stuff and things yeah yeah well that was honestly that wasn't the one i was initially thinking but that was okay so the first one that i was thinking i'm gonna i'm gonna tread as lightly as i can here while still getting this across was um the young young man sent a picture or uploaded a picture to chat gpt of the apparatus asking if it was strong enough and chat GPT provided some some guidance on that

on that which allegedly allegedly that was extremely troubling to me and the one that that Luke is talking about was where this young man explicitly directly said I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about leaving some of my materials to aid me in this endeavor out for my mom to find them, should I do that? And chat GPT says, no. I think it also says that he wants to talk to somebody to like see if they care or whatever. And then it said no. There was a lot of, as you, as you'll see with any sort of sycophantic chat bot, there was a lot of like, I'm here for you I understand you I this I that you are nothing you are lines of code stop pretending

you're anything else but it is in the best interest of these companies who develop these bots that they are as human-like as possible while still like we've got to wrap our heads

around this not being sentient at all they are glorified pattern recognition and regurgitation machines it's that same so like that this this whole line where like you know linus and i are fairly anti like befriending these things uh and some people in the audience push back on that pretty heavily and like i get it but

it's it to me it raises the ibn statement again um no computers should be used for management decisions because they can't be held accountable something along those lines um it's like the same type of situation if a person did this the person would be going to jail so yeah we hate to be you know a downer or whatever about AI again this week it just seems like it's something we can't really get away from but it's something that is you know for all of the the naysaying about it you know oh the industry is pouring money at it faster than they can figure out how to make any the bubble's going to burst blah blah blah blah blah blah for all of the naysaying the mainstream adoption of this technology is how to happening at a rate that I don't think is precedented. Like, even, like, things that we take for granted today that everybody uses, like, like, a searching, using a search engine, that took a minute. People didn't just have the internet all of a sudden.

Like, the rollout of people having access to the friggin' internet was, like, slow. Buying things online, you know, something we take for granted today. that was a novel idea that took years to really become mainstream like buying stuff on the internet was like friggin weird for a long time smartphones man like how many how many freaking iPhones how many iPhones did Apple sell in first year okay uh oh my god I got an AI summary How many of the first iPhone did Apple sell in the first year? Let's see. Oh, God, AI summary. Okay, global data.com says Apple sold over 1.8 million iPhones in 2007. Okay.

Grand scheme of things, 1.4 million? That's nothing compared to the adoption rate of chatbots. Nothing. I'll have Randow family members who couldn't tell you the manufacturer of any piece of electronics in their entire home

be like chat GPT chat GPT open ad like they're using it daily in a lot of cases and the fact that this is happening so fast means that we cannot ignore it and I just

we've had this problem before where legislation moves too slow to deal with, I mean, rise of social media is kind of the closest thing that we have. And even that took a long time. Like being on, being on Facebook went from, you know, being just a thing only young people do. I don't know, my kids

are on the Facebook to being a thing that only boomers do. Like, yeah, I only have Facebook so I can chat with my grandma. Like, that, but that took place over 10 years, 12 years. Like, it was actually a pretty long period of time compared to this. but when we looked at how fast social media was changing the world

it seemed like it was happening at this frenetic pace and it's nothing compared to what we're dealing with right now and yeah legislation was too slow for social media we're just now reckoning with all the damage that has been done by social media in particular to young people and it was glacial compared to the rate at which AI is moving so yeah

fuck basically good luck everyone yeah um and i you know i my heart bleeds for that young man's parents um and friends and everyone in his life it's um it's the it's the it's the saddest thing in the world to be to be burying children burying children And burying my favorite website. We've got an update for you guys on the AnonTech shutdown. After I kind of talked about what happened last week where AnonTech formally seized operations about about a year ago, I think it was last year, 2024, right? That sounds? Yeah, I think so.

Just a few weeks ago, they took down the archive of articles, which, you know, my understanding at the time, of the shutdown had been that those would stay up and they are now gone. We talked about this last week and Luke and I shared some theories for why they would have taken them down and luckily former Anantec editor-in-chief

Ryan Smith happened to see the segment and he reached out to offer a little bit more insight into what exactly went down. He said that realistically he had not expected future

so that's the owner of Future PLC, owner of Anantec, Tom's Hardware, a variety of other publications. He hadn't expected them to keep the archive up forever, but he did expect that indefinitely would be longer than 11 months, and he personally was caught off guard by the shutdown, finding out about it on Twitter three days after it happened. Before it was taken down, there was 27 years of articles in the archive, including 20 years of Ryan's own work. He went on to say that he doesn't necessarily think that Future had any malice in mind with the shutdown and speculated that they might have just done the math and didn't see enough value in keeping the site up. AnonTech was hosted on a third-party hosting provider on a W-SA. Do I pronounce that W-I-S-A stack? I don't really hear it pronounced too often, but that sounds about right.

Rather than on Future's internal CMS. So this would probably be because Anon-Tech was acquired as an outside publication. although I mean future would have acquired a variety of other things but it was acquired relatively recently and the performance of the site after the acquisition I don't think was very good so there would have been a quantifiable cost to keeping it up and a quantifiable cost to porting that 27 years of articles over to their own CMS even before the sale so this ended up being more true than I wanted it to be I think I kind of pushed back on this theory but even before the sale AI crawler and other bots were a significant problem for the site. Crawling and recrawling the site constantly, the extreme load would slow systems to a crawl in the wee hours of the morning, often when Ryan was finalizing articles for the coming day.

So he wasn't quite as diplomatic describing the actions of AI bots in his email. Did you get a chance to read his email? I think he called them fucking stupid or something like that because they'll just like they'll check the same page over and over and over and over and over and over again

it's like bro what do you imagine has changed since you last checked it three seconds ago but no apparently that was a significant source of burden for maintaining the site even before futures acquisition

Ryan said that the internet archive seems to have the most complete copy of the site in terms of article pages and assets but the wayback machine is unfortunately quite slow the site had more than 20,000 articles and uncompressed used around 300 gigabytes of storage this says oh that question from earlier oh they're probably gone i never answered that what sorry the data usage of floatplane our biggest bandwidth provider is doing and we've been above this and we've been below this um 200 terabytes a month there's that answer from a long time ago. Is that good? What do you mean?

I don't know. Is that good? Is that cool? Are we cool? Is that a lot? Isn't that enough terabytes? I don't know. Is that a cool amount of terabytes?

We've done more. I know? No, we suck. Jan Mesh says 200 terabytes seems so much lower than I expected. Sorry, Jan Mesh. That's one of our providers. It doesn't include live streaming. That doesn't include downloads.

It doesn't include a variety of things on the platform. Oh. Doesn't include. Yeah, I don't know. So basically you took, it's our largest provider. You took this long to give a bullshit answer. A partial answer, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Well, and you totally like interrupted what we're talking about to bring us that bullshit answer. Yeah. You know what? I'm glad you're here. Thanks. Thanks for being part of it.

Oh, my goodness. People are using small B. No. Bates, not bits. Yeah. Some people are using Big Bee, but it's, yeah, it's bites. Yep. Are we sharing this part?

No. Okay, cool. We're definitely not. We're not talking about that. Nope. Cool. So I am here to give information to a question for a very long time ago and keep things from the audience. Um, hey, Dan, have you thought about swapping chairs with him?

Because I feel like they'd like it. I feel like they'd like it. I'd have to get back. back to you on that in an hour and a half. Oh, man. We're sure I need you two, right? You technically started the show, despite it largely being my idea, completely by yourself. Wait, hold on. I actually don't know if I remember this.

The idea thing? Yeah, the idea thing. Yeah, remember we would drive home from NCI. and talk about tech stuff. And I was like, we should really have a show. You know, this was like 14 years ago now or something, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, okay.

No, so I'm sorry, no, I'm saying I don't remember shit. Okay, so, yeah, okay. Like, even our, the first interview I ever had with Linus, Linus drove me home. That makes sense. Because the interview was, like, many hours long, and the buses stopped running. That makes sense.

So I didn't have a way to get home. I mean, yeah, it's a totally safe thing to do when you go interview somewhere. You go into the, you know, windowless room with the couch, and then they offer you a ride home. home and you take the ride. There was windows. They were just blocked. I don't know if that was better.

He's not wrong. And then it became relatively common routine because we always finished at like midnight or later. Yeah. So Linus would drive me home like all the time. Yeah. And we just talk about tech stuff on the drive home all the time. It's all we've ever really talked about.

And then I was pushing that like, you know, people would probably be interested in this. We should do like a show thing. And then you just started it. yourself and the first like few wanchos for a while i think a couple months or something were just linus and then i joined on eventually so the way i i don't actually remember this you have a different retelling of this which sounds like we probably had somewhat parallel ideas but i had the car talks idea before wancho started so i'm still claiming part of it yeah i mean i know you have a you had a different so i'll be honest with you i don't remember my version of events anymore

whatever it was I know it was different I do you had some there was some other reason why you wanted it I wanted it because the car talks thing seemed cool and I actually expected us to like literally just actually recorded in the car and it was going to be an actual podcast not a video podcast interesting so what I do remember from that time is that unbox therapy was the existential threat to unboxing videos that blue um man we haven't chatted in forever dude I've I've I've become kind of like a hermit. Although, oh, hey, another cool video to tease. We went down to California,

and we built a sick NAS into Kyle from Bitwit's desk. Nice. It's like actually great. We kind of did like a setup doctor slash ultimate tech upgrade. Intel sponsored it. So we built like a sick Intel-based NAS, and it's like built into a sit-stand desk because why wouldn't you have a NAS just like built under your desk?

Sure. So it just, I don't know, it plugs into his switch, was right there. We did a bunch of cable management, put in some shelves. Adam and I did it. It could be awesome. Anyway, so yeah, Unbox therapy was like an existential threat. And I remember that, like, live seemed like another existential threat. It was something that I did not understand really at all, like, what the appeal was.

Because remember, too, that this is back when, like, ephemeral, temporary things were super trendy, like periscope like yeah you're live and then and then after you're live there's no vaid it's gone and I was like okay so that seems dumba because then you can never refer back to it um which in retrospect maybe I should have done most of my career like that because I would have saved myself a lot of controversies um and I remember just wanting some kind of foothold in live and what I came up with was Q&A's, which was not your pitch at all. This sounds accurate to what I've heard you say in the past. Okay.

Yeah. I remember pushing for the car talks thing like many times. So this is the original show. I think this is the very first live stream, right? Yes. And then it looks like you did two months of these. Linus Tech Tips live show. One, two, three, four.

No, I think the first one is called Q&A though. This is maybe the first one in the playlist. This is the first that I remember. this isn't even our playlist our playlist only goes back to like 2021 is there an older one this is the first one I remember I could be wrong

and September 2020 I remember that shirt You can barely tell with the crappy dynamic range but it has horizontal pink and white stripes Oh yeah you can sort of What was I thinking

You know No wonder only 37000 people watched it It's trash How did the second It's trash get rid of it even worse and then well you can't keep doing the same thing over and over again a little bit more and then a little bit more no it's going to get way better when you join hey look at this i've got a monitor that's a pretty good idea oh you're up quite a bit the set's a little better now

the shirt's cooler now haircut look at this haircut look at this haircut it's trash flying v going on on your head trash haircut the couch shows up oh it's a coach let's go and then hold on where's broken wing still exists and then broken wing shows up

how does it do boom hey the wands show that's the first WAN show November 9th 2012

heck yeah how does a follow up do in case you're wondering he got hit by a car not nearly as well yeah yeah I um

dude the scars that I have from that still exist and I got Well, that's how scars work It's not a scar if it goes away I'm just saying It's one of those things Where people will walk in

They'll be like Man, you wouldn't believe it This was crazy I got electrocuted by the toaster And I'm like, bro, stop right now Because if you're not dead You were not electrocuted Yeah

It's like poisonous and poison and venom Yeah Yeah But yeah So you have a permanent scar Yes, carry on I have a bunch on all my knuckles on this hand, basically. It's permanent.

And I got shot in Airsoft directly on one of them. And it already sucks to get shot in a knuckle. And it's like also on the scarring. And it really sucks. That's so funny. I got shot on the knuckle playing Airsoft just the other day. I think this is it. Oh, yeah.

I bought a couple of just like crappy little like spring load airsoft pistols. Don't demonetize me YouTube. I made a gun shape with my hand. It's a walkie-talkie shape Yeah Check check Roger over Wilco

Team speak You already said over Copy 104 good buddy Anyway yeah That's such a coincidence I was just goofing around With the kid

What were you doing playing Airsoft With the live steam I know but it's for the sake of them Oh we were just hanging out Remember the whole thing where we talked We were just hanging out And we pretend we haven't talked to each other There was a long period

but we really hadn't talked to each other at all other than WAN show throughout the week. Yeah, there was an initiative from mostly, I don't know if they want to be named for this or not, so I will not. But maybe, I don't know, does that matter? Should I just say it? I don't know.

I have no idea what you're talking about. One of the labs members is very into it and basically put out an inquiry of, like, are other labs people interested in going? Cool. And people were, so they went. and I think it's open to people outside of labs as well but like it's easier to organize within your own little group

so it's mostly just been lab stuff so far and then I didn't get an invite I literally invited you last time I invited you to come to the next one last time I can go find the message okay I mean if you don't tell me when the next time is coming that's not really a very good invite I think we figured out a date today it's not like a birthday I haven't had time it's not like a birthday where I could say hey

well I'd love to have you at my next birthday and it will be on a consistent date it's often not birthday parties are often not on a specific date I didn't say birthday party I said birthday oh okay yeah boom who gets invited to a birthday boom

well I'd like your presence to be there during a birthday yeah not the birthday party birthday parties on the weekend you're not invited to that but I would like you to be there just around I'm gonna go to work if you could just come with me

that'd be great wow that was I'm good wow that started like it was probably very satisfying it was in between satisfying and painful

dang all right well anyways I have no idea where we're at right now let's do another topic maybe Spotify is adding direct messages what what

why well the rest of it is for some reason what is the point in this you can send a DM from a song send the song link as a DM so conversation can follow about the song

no one needed this you can send a song link off platform And when that person opens it, it can play from Spotify from within their DMs so that you can reply there instead of off platform. This can be clicked on by people who aren't your Spotify friend. They have to request to DM you. Basically... Some development unit within Spotify just really, really needed something to do. I got to imagine that that's how this went down.

or or hear me out absolutely everything needs DMs now and Spotify just was recognizing an overwhelming trend and was compelled to get on board dude do you have any idea how many apps on my phone

are capable of sending messages to other people I do not need more apps to send messages yeah like I'm I'm a messaging chameleon like on my phone right now with with unread messages

I have WhatsApp I have SMS I have email and I have teams that's just with unread messages in the period of time since I've last touched my phone and cleared things that I don't need other than that I have Discord

We chat Messenger Instagram I have TikTok has DMs right I have Steam chat like

Oh I've Does Twitch have DMs Trying to remember Meanwhile he's just reading his DMs No I got to read this now message Twitch does have DMs Yeah okay How could I possibly

Oh yeah I forgot about Gmail also has chat built into it there's there's too many I oh oh yeah no I've I don't use it regularly but I have signal I think it is I have one of one of the I have either signal or telegram or something occasionally there's a contact that will message me there so I have to make sure that I have it I have to have all the things I mean and I'm not even counting the ones that do have specific DM function like Uber where you can DM your driver i'm not going to count that i'm not going to count that i'm just saying there's i mean you can

dm people through google docs if you really want to there's just there's no shortage of places that i can send direct messages and i don't need more of them thank you very much spotify please screw off with your with your social media building features of your website because and this is really is the biggest reason because normally i could just ignore it i could pretend that feature completely doesn't exist but what another DM inbox means to me is another place that I can get spammed and that I can get notifications cluttering up my biz please stop no more notifications no more inboxes do you need another inbox Luke I wish I had less so the reason why I originally picked up my phone was to check the the like messages communication

nice yeah just too many oh yeah you got threads in there you got blue sky why are they all signal line we chat meet they're all blue other meat oh yeah i have line on my other phone threads teams link instagram messenger a lot of these i never ever use them and you know that some non-tech savvy person with spotify is going to get some spam nigerian prince dm and like it's just it's another bloody attack vector and it doesn't need to be there a lot of these it's because like one person that I know uses it and they just like refuse to use anything else and it's like okay I guess I mean that's why I have one of mine and the person who won't use anything else is you there's no way you don't have other people that you communicate

with over that on discord yeah there's no way you have played games so the people in discord when I am not there that has happened I wouldn't need it on my phone for anyone else oh like Here, look how far you have to go to find people I haven't spoken to in over a month. You are literally... We can use something else. You are... We can use something else. I...

Now, I understand his hesitation. But I have told you, I'm on WhatsApp. That's what I primarily use. So you're the guy that is the reason that I have to use Discord on mobile. You're the guy. If you really want to use it, it's... You're the guy, Luke. installed now. But you know what, you know what this means is I would do that for you.

Oh. I would. I would do that for you. You are worth, you are worth maintaining when I get a, see, honestly, this is actually kind of hilarious because I think that would be a super cool feature for a messaging app if the, if the icon, the like lock screen icon could be different for your different contacts. Because when I get a Discord icon, I know it's probably you. That actually, that would be kind of cool. I don't. Maybe what we should do is we should build DMs into Flowplane.

We'll turn Floatplane into a messaging platform and that'll be our key feature. Is you can assign a different notification icon to your key contacts so that at a glance you can like be excited to hear from your BFF. Is that possible? Oh, probably not. I don't care. I don't think so. I'm just saying that whenever I get a...

Call it full plane DM's airmail. Whenever I see it... Sorry, it's scrolled off my screen, but that was a great idea. No, it's not a great idea. It's 2025. It has to be air, gender neutral. He's not there to ding me. Dang it.

It wasn't even worth it. Yep. Uh, guess what? Monkey butt. Scrap Your Wors is ready to publish. Oh, okay, sure. Let's do that thing. Yeah.

Floatplane.com. All right, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Do you want to start another topic in the meantime? Sure. Uh, do, do, do, do. Oh, no, that's your topic. believe you that i know you want that i want a topic you want a topic you want it pretty bad i

yep okay hold on here i okay we're doing it i can do this other one we're doing it we're doing it scrapyard rose boom she's live baby scrapyard wars part three let's go and uh this really this really was the vibe man i your team went through some things i just watched it this morning i wow wow um i haven't seen it yet i can only imagine yeah this is this isn't the end right no oh yeah no the last one has the last two hours of scramble on the final morning and the judging so that'll be coming so there's more to go for sure there's more to go that last two hours is i can know they tee up the last two hours very well it's full of stuff yeah yep uh there will be a commentary version on float plane uh the not

so bright says oh really yeah we announced that earlier this show so you who's commentating clearly weren't paying attention there's going to be a live stream i think in a couple weeks who's doing that um everybody yeah except us Oh, yeah, you don't get to be involved. Yeah, we get no voice in this. Oh, boy. So our teams get to say exactly what they think of us and our leadership. I'm probably going to get flayed, and it's probably fine.

I was barely alive that whole week. Yeah, it's a float plane exclusive on September 9th. All right. Okay. Florida and Texas have teamed up to save the children. Schools in Florida districts will begin training. the use of armed... What?

What? What are we doing? They're going to be trialing the use of armed drones to respond to school shooting incidents starting in the coming school year. The drones, a product of

campus guardian angel. Sorry. Sorry, it's not funny, it's just... We'll be security... Why are we living in the actual dumbest possible timeline? The drones, a product of Campus Guardian Angel, which sounds like the evil corporation in a video game, will be securely prepositioned on charging pads on the school property

starting in September and October and can reach speeds of up to 50 miles per hour indoors. and 100 miles per hour outdoors allowing them to quickly cover large campuses. The drones are flown remotely by operators at the company's Austin headquarters and can provide real-time video to first responders and deploy non-lethal and less lethal, which is always a really fun term. What does less lethal mean? It means you probably won't die.

Anyways, less lethal weapons. Well, it depends on where you get hit. you got two arms yeah i mean even a 22 is going to get you if it goes right between your rib cage and into your heart in your eyeball can also be a rough one because you got a bunch of brain goop back there i mean speak for yourself i said you you've got that no i said i you got a lot you got a lot brain goop going on i meant what i said you got that good brain goop thank you i appreciate that no problem if i understood what you said which i don't think i do Anyways

Yeah, so they can do non-lethal and less lethal weapons To distract, disorient, and incapacitate shooters The system is expected to be fully operational by January. Discussion question, how would you feel about this kind of system being installed That your kids school? I'm going to be honest with you. If my kids went to school in Florida, I'd actually probably be glad that it's there.

And I realize that's going to be, I don't know I always find it interesting seeing the way that the buckets that people kind of try to fit me into I think there's going to be a lot of people that They're like, wait Find that to be a very unexpected take

I'm a lot less concerned now that I read the whole thing When I first read armed drones Usually when you say armed you mean like Firearm. Yeah, I thought it was flying drone with a gun And now it's like flying drone with maybe a gun that shoots beanbags. Those beanbags can be really brutal.

But it also said non-lethal. And if it's like a drone that whips over to an area and can get to a target and like, you know, I don't know, mace or whatever else, put some type of, you know, irritant agent, whatever they're called that like make you cry and you can't see very well necessarily. So that you can't execute your plan. That could be pretty good in areas where this is consistently a problem. Yep. Pepper ball?

Pepper ball is a thing. Yep. I mean, look, I'd... Taser's interesting because people have died from Tazers? Yeah, Tazer's a tough one, but it does say... It's also a lot harder to aim. Yeah, Tazers are... Like, you've got to be exactly the right distance from the target and all that.

If they're wearing, like, a thick sweater or a jacket... You know, this actually reminds me. There's an anti-thethystress. like a burglary countermeasure that you can deploy in stores that basically just puts out like a thick fog and as much as okay just hear me out hear me out how toxic is that to breathe here me out apparently it's non-toxic but I'm not actually advocating for the thick fog but you did bring up irritants yeah like would I rather that an entire school of children net guns pepper sprayed or would I rather but but it in incapacitates an attacker or would I rather let a couple lambs be I don't think anyone's ever died from

an eye irritant. Yes, although rare. Really? Does have been linked to pepper spray, particularly in case where the person has underlying health conditions. What an allergy? Subjected to other restraining techniques during the pepper spray that's also interesting. Or had a severe reaction.

to the spray, such as something I can't properly pronounce. This is the one, security fog. Security fog. How thick is this fog? That looks pretty thick. She's thick, like, damn, girl, she's thick. Like, you're not finding anything in there. Wow.

So the idea is to disorient anyone who's trying to, like, find stuff and move around. Yeah, the more you run around in there, the more you're going to, toss the fog around, making it harder to see. Oh, we're gone now. Yeah. Wow. So that's like 15, 20 seconds, 30 seconds maybe. It takes some time.

It does take some time, but you've got to be, I mean, we've been robbed before. We know about how long it takes. It takes them a couple minutes, no matter how fast they are. There's also going to be a moment of like, what the heck is happening. And that's a full warehouse. Yeah. It's not an indoor sort of eight foot ceiling, right? I saw one with a like a convenience store.

that was like fast like really fast I think like a fog if you could have like a like a fog countermeasure with like a thermally equipped drone or something like that look I I'm gonna be pro

okay I'm not gonna get into the debate I thought it was a drone with like a gun that shoots bullets I'm not gonna get into the debate you know in terms of like firearms culture in the U.S., that's y'all's thing to figure out. All I'll say is that... I see such a localized language.

All I'll say is that things are what they are at the moment. There's clearly a mental health crisis and issues that are leading people to commit these heinous acts. And if this drone deployment thing saves one kid, then... it's worth it to me 100%. Do I think that this is something that could save one kid? Yeah, probably. I feel, I'm much more interested in the non-lethal aspects and not because I'm like, oh my God, save the shooter.

It's just shooting a rubber bullet or a beanbag at an active shooter. I feel like encourages them to go faster, not actually stops them, personally, and I feel like a lot of the non-lethal options, like the smoke or, I don't know if they're putting pepper spray in non-lethal or less lethal. I'm assuming they're putting it in non-lethal. I think it might have been a typo. It might be less than lethal. There are, whenever they include the less, there are versions where people are like definitely

die. Because if there's kids involved, it only takes one to a head is like, right. things happen like people die in street fights with punches all the time now you're putting your projectile like it just stuff happens uh rubber bullets kill people like it's totally a thing someone's talking about like tactical strobe lights like there's like things that can i'd love to be like that's a cool idea in a place that this does happen anything anything disorienting that can slow them down is as long as it doesn't have the potential side effect of permanently damaging a child. Yeah, that's the part I'm worried about.

It's worth a shot, man. Yeah, do something. That seems cool. Yeah, the general concept, I'm actually not that against. I don't like the idea of it being a flying gun controlled by a remote operator that might be difficult to stop because then you could have the issues with the remote operators. Yep. I mean and you also have like

I don't know how is the how is the persistent on target of that flying gun I don't know what is the chance that it misses

hit somebody hit somebody that isn't the intended target so yeah again good luck America yeah it's interesting

AMD let the cat out of the bag and now the cat won't go back in the bag imagine that you ever tried to put a cat in a bag yeah this makes sense this week AMD released was it last week at some point AMD released the Fidelity FX SDK 2.0

which just happened to contain FSR 4 and this may turn out to be an irrevocable mistake although they quickly took down the source code once something is released as open source under the MIT license, apparently it cannot be revoked. Users can legally use, modify, and even release their own forks of the project.

And although every previous version of FSR was already open source, there had been no announcement made about FSR 4. The leaked version of FSR 4 also included support for intake shaders, which means that they may be testing the currently locked to 9,000 series feature on older cards. Realistically, AMD was probably going to be. going to be cool about this eventually. Yep. And I'm actually, I'm actually, I'm a little annoyed on their behalf that it's, their hand is kind

of being forced before they can. Especially because they are usually really cool about it. Yeah. If they weren't usually cool about it, I'd be like, ha, corporation. And to be clear, AMD is not cool about everything, but this is something that they've been pretty cool about. Especially compared to competitors, they've been very nice to the open source. I kind of feel for them.

I kind of feel for them. I'm, I'm down with them, but I'm also, I'm also down with just like new features. being available to everybody for free, so that's cool. Good job, everyone. And, hey, new features available. This, I thought was impossible. Framework announced this week. This is the topic that I was going to do, but I saved.

Framework announced this week that you can now get the Framework Laptop 16 with the GForce RTX 5070. And that is a pretty remarkable thing. You know what's more remarkable about it? you can also order the framework laptop 16 investment disclosure graphics module with a g4 rtx 5070 and upgrade your laptops graphics for exceptional gaming and blah blah blah blah upgrade your lap are you going to do it what Are you going to do it?

They did it. Are you going to do it? Oh, I mean, I don't know about that, but they did it. It's sick. They did it. I have no idea how they pulled that off, to be honest. Luke, they did it. Dude, companies, companies have been sued.

Companies have lost millions of dollars in previous attempts to deliver an upgradable GPU freaking laptop. And not only did Framework do it, Framework did it with Nvidia. Dude, do you know how long Nvidia has been trying to kill GPU, like laptop GPU

modules? Every generation they say we're not doing MXM anymore. Forget it. Asrock's desk mini, those cute little desktops that had the CPU here and then they had a little MXM slot so you could put a

GPU on it. I have like a 1080 based one at home. dead because of no support for MXM. Laptops with interchangeable what GPU you get in it where you can customize it before you buy it. On life support, practically dead because Nvidia doesn't want to support the standard. As far as I can tell.

Oh, who was it? Silverstone had this super cool EGPU, like Thunderbolt EGPU that was going to use MXM. So it was going to be really small and flipping, freaking awesome, killed because they couldn't get the support for MXM. How did they do this? I have no idea. This is crazy. It's pretty wild.

Upgradable graphics. I mean, I've only got a couple options. Do you think it will continue? Do you think they're going to have a 60-70? Well, I would have told you no, it's impossible. Until now. One thing that worries me about this is, okay, cool. Well, I can upgrade as in repair.

Can I upgrade? Well, no, this is an upgrade from the original one. Will there be a 70-70? Is there a path forward? So what's cool about Frameworks Interface is it's just PCIE by 8. It's all it is. It's custom. I believe they, I don't know how open they made it, but fairly open.

So I'm pretty sure just about anyone can like make something that attaches. to it but they did have to create something scratch because there just didn't exist an interface that they could use for their geometry of the GPU installation anyway so there's no there's no technical reason

why just about any GPU couldn't plug into it and then the limit just becomes how big of a caboose you have on how much room you need for thermals and yeah yeah yeah well yeah for cooling this is the second GPU but It's not the second Nvidia GPU, right?

No, there's a first Nvidia GP. Yeah. So if you buy, if you buy one with a 50-70 today, you're asking, will there be an upgrade path? Before today, I'd have said no. Or I'd have said, I'd have said, this is going to be difficult, you know? But they've freaking done it, Luke. Do you know how many generations of laptop motherboards they've had for the framework 13, too?

They're up to, are they up to four now or something ridiculous? like that without fundamentally changing the chassis you can have a framework laptop of Theseus from back when they first launched it. I'm sure someone does. That has literally nothing left in it from back then and is just

all new current gen parts. So if anyone can do it, it's framework. So at this point, man, I think it's really cool in a like business and negotiation standpoint and I'm stoked for

people that like need invidia GPUs for whatever they're doing whatever blah blah blah. At this point I'm more interested in AMD stuff potentially Intel stuff as well because I'm hoping to stick with Linux on my

laptop and the Nvidia GPU in my current laptop is annoying to work around. It is the most annoying thing I've had to deal with so far is that when I do GPU stuff it can like be frustrating that's about it dude I this is wicked this is very cool I'm so excited

most most people are buying in video yeah it is what it is what it is people are buying invidia yep so now that's potentially bringing more people to repairable laptops which is awesome yep I I just man I oh I don't think it'll be that easy right now but if I could find my email to Narav when I first found out that they were trying to do an upgradeable laptop. Man, Narav gaming. I don't know. I'll try, but in the meantime, it's time to switch over to After Dark.

Sorry, one sec. This is, for sure, just supposed to be, we did it. And then, like, a rocket ship and an exclamation mark, it really makes me think we did it AI. Oh. Oh, yeah. I can see that. Maybe both. I mean, it's got an NVIDIA GPU and it probably does AI.

Dan? It's time for AfterDark. Cool. Let's do that. Let's see if I can find anything. Nice. Is still fussing through things? Oh, yeah.

You can, yeah, you can rewind. Sure. It's my birthday Monday, and I'm throwing together a video game Olympics for the second time. What are some good games that we should play? Nidhog. Teams of two. Oh. Okay.

Not that. Teams of two. That actually really. really narrows it down extremely. How many games are like 2v2? I guess you can play... I mean, there's wing men. But like, you all have to be into FPS, so like, hmm.

Yep. I'm surprised you whipped out the wingman. Well, it's a 2V2 format, is it not? No, for sure. It's just... Have you ever played wingman? I've played with you. Oh.

Clearly it wasn't memorable, though. This is a long time ago. I played a lot of wingman. Yeah, I just... when you played it with me, it just wasn't satisfying, I guess. I get it. Oh, my bad. This is what no chicken does to a man.

He had to eat a subway sandwich today, and I think he's still recovering. Honestly, I think I am. I'm very disappointed. We're a little bit too busy dealing with house stuff that I don't actually want to talk about instead of, you know, the cook. At least you found one game. That's probably good enough. People in chat have brought up some cool stuff.

Rocket League definitely supports 2V2 very effectively. Tape to tape, you could definitely 2v2 it, especially if you include some AI. You could theoretically 2V2 in League of Legends. You could 2V2 Space Cadet table. You each get one flipper. That would legitimately be fun. That would honestly be pretty legit, actually, I think.

You would enjoy it. You'd love it. Someone pointed out you could do 4 1V1s in Nidhog. Do a little tourney. Oh, Left for Dead. Left for Dead with bots. Play co-op.

Everyone has fun. Except the people who, you know, you're not shooting the Smoker's tongue. You got to shoot the Smokers' tongue. You've got to break the tongue. I'm taking damage here. I'm not a lot of fun to play Left for Dead with, I think. I think it's pretty fun, but yeah.

Gas racing suggested StarCraft. Yeah, yeah, you could pull. You know, it'd be kind of interesting to pull out an RTS that none of you have ever played and just wing it. What's that there's a new... That'd be kind of cool. There's a new RTS coming, isn't there? You're not talking about that one from the ex-Blizzard folks, the Storm Forge or whatever.

That didn't seem to work out super well. Yeah, I think they're in trouble. Oh, really? Yeah. That sucks. Is that what it's called? Something along those lines. Tempest rising?

Uh... storm that's not the one i was talking about storm gate storm gate i don't know my bad can't find it smash bros you could totally do smash bros dv2 smash bros is actually hell of fun oh boy apparently that yeah uh So I actually agree the word scam is used in context that are like not good. I don't have a lot of, I don't have a lot of context for this drama, but yeah, words mean what they mean. Get good. Also, this is a bit of a problem, though.

Ah. Did it get review bombed? That's possible. after he said stuff. Apparently in our language. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good luck with that.

I have no idea what's going on with that game. Do you want some more? I do. Hello from Japan. I'm currently on the train heading back to the airport to catch my flight back to Canada. Have any of you also been here? Would love to hear your experience if you have. Luke and I went to Japan together once.

Yeah. It was great, actually. Yeah, other than the... Really awesome trip. A little bit of light sexual harassment on your part, but okay. What? You tried to get me naked. Oh, I did.

He did. I was naked. He was. I'm not much of a steam room guy. It wasn't a steam room. Or whatever, it's called, the onsen. Yeah, onsen. Yeah.

I got too many tattoos. yeah i'm good to go oh i know i'm bare Luke was a team sports kind of kind of kid growing up i never really did the let's all just whip it out in the locker room thing and i'm honestly not that into it i'm not particularly like into it but i was in japan and wanted to do japanese things you did it right you did it right and i got to hang out with one of the engineers from omron who we were just with and it was actually super chill yeah i believe you yeah It was cool.

Yep. Well, actually, it was quite warm. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. In spite of the nudity. Mm-hmm. You might even say it was hot.

Mm-hmm. I don't have any tattoos. I could have believed it either way, to be honest. I mean, I was going for, like, the yakuza vibe. Yeah, no. No one has ever seen my giant full back. Like, tiger. Tiger, you know, eating a rooster kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah. Linus In all capitals What was your favorite tech Growing up Gaming computers Wow I mean

I really liked my Discman Diskman were sweet That was a game changer dude I mean oh man Having to like Hold the Rewind button I'm the kind of person Who gets hooked on a song

And I just like I want to hear that song Over and over again Especially when I was younger So I'd have to like get good at memorizing how long I have to hold the rewind button in order to get back to the point where the song starts on my Walkman. And so, dude, upgrading to a disc, that was an absolute life changer for me. I started being able to burn my own mix CDs and stuff. Oh,

so good. Yeah. So, oh man, that's tough. But then I couldn't make a mix CD without my gaming PC. It wasn't really a gaming PC at that point. It all comes back to the computer. But it had a CD burner, so that was pretty good. I had a really slow CD burner. But still, I could set it to go at night and then I could get up in the morning, and sometimes it wouldn't be a coaster. Those were exciting mornings.

God, our tech sucked. I remember we had Net Nanny, and I used to play RuneScape back in, I'm assuming this was like 2002 or something. And I would load up RuneScape, and it would take so long to load. It would successfully load, which is actually really interesting to me at this point. Right.

The fact that it- So many things today would time out before even trying for that long. But it would successfully load. But I would go downstairs and make a sandwich and a drink and consume both, and then come back upstairs, and then it would finish loading. And you guys have no idea how long it takes him to eat a sandwich. It's remarkable he manages to consume an hour. of calories to maintain his size. It's an effort. I had just gotten my new braces.

And we sat down together at the table. I actually gave him his burger first. So he had started eating already. I had just gotten them. I still had the bite turbos in, like the bite blocks at the back. So I couldn't even close my molars to within like about this distance. I still finished my burger before he did. in all that pain

without being able to close my molars. How is it even possible, Luke? Anyways, yeah, that was a heck of a thing. I don't remember why I brought that up, but yeah, that's... And I did that, like, all the time. Anyways.

Luke Nukem. Which Battlefield was your favorite? Quality reference. I put way too many hours in 1942. Also, so glad the Super Soft is back ruined my last one, frying burgers. Okay, what is it?

The fashion team told me, I think it's like dish soap and baking soda and pre-treated and then wash it. You should be able to get grease stains out of it. It's a thing. Anyway, carry on. 1942 was incredible. I think the most condensed fun,

if that's a term that I can use that people will understand that I had was Bad Company 2. Wasn't 1942 the first one? That would make sense? I'm trying to remember. Anyway, carry on. And then I think it had a few expansions and stuff

that kept it going for a while. 1942, I feel like it was pretty long-lasting. But honestly, the one, and this might just because like the friends that I had to play with at the time and stuff, but Battlefield 3 hit pretty hard for me. I think I'd go with Battlefield 3. 1942 was incredible.

But I think Battlefield 3 got the most like enjoyment. But again, it might have been because of the social aspect that was coming along with it. 1942's Wake Island was such an experience, Jemesh said in Flooplane chat. And that made me think, this was my whole pain. Honestly, Wake Island specifically was my whole pain with the new maps in Battlefield 6 and knowing how small they are. Because Wake Island, like, really, it felt like a campaign of this crazy push-pull. And the new maps are like, there's one kind of mountain in the middle,

and you just kind of fight in a ring around it, and that's like one of the biggest maps they have. It's like, hold on. Remember how bad games looked? Remember how, do you remember that that's what that looked? Oh, yeah, I do. I don't have the, like, when people are like, oh, Morwin looks so bad, you for sure remember. it differently than it looks. Then I see a screenshot of Morwood. I'm like, that's exactly how I remember it looking. Sounds good. This helicopter, what is it, a cyber truck? Sick, dude. When I, when I see

screenshots of like 1.6, I really want to play the game as is. I don't want it to look better. I want to look like that. I want grenades to just be bricks that fly through the air. I just, dude, that's Awesome. Why not? Yeah, why not? Screw graphics, man. Who needs them? Give me good games again. Who needs them?

Linus! Can you buy the Canucks so that they stop sucking? It's a quality texture right here. It's green. Sorry, what is it? Can you buy the Canucks so that they stop sucking? Oh, you're not talking to me. I'm sorry. No, I can't see this.

Oh. Oh, fine. Fine. Fine. Can I buy the Canucks? What are you even talking about? I have, A, I have no idea how to run a sports team. B, oh my God, with what money? The coach doesn't seem to either, I guess. Wow. Mean. Boot roasted. Mean.

You play Dave to tape. You probably know enough about it. Hackey. Yeah, for sure. Hackey. Nope. I have no ideas to make the Canucks stop sucking. At this point, I might as well just cheer for the oil. Hope they can get McDavid signed. and make another push. Let's go, boys. And the last one I got for you today. Hey, Linus, now that you've been the chief vision officer for a while,

is it a position you think could work at any other company or is also being the CEO's boss an integral component? Yeah, I think that it's, it basically is the CEO's job to have the vision for the company normally, but because our structure, where I'm also the primary shareholder, and I mostly just needed to offload all the other aspects of what the CEO does. It did make sense to break those things out. It's not something I'd really recommend.

Like you wouldn't want, the only reason that my role works is because in addition to my title, I also just carry pretty heavy sort of soft power as the way Terran first described it to me when I was bewildered at some point about why people were listening to me about something. And he was like, well, you can't just like make comments flippantly because you've got to understand that whether you say to do something or don't say to do something when you say stuff, people... It's high-priority actioned. People...

Automatically every time. Sometimes even if I tell people not to, which I'm not actually referring to, believe it or not there was someone else I ran into recently where I explicitly said I asked a question yeah that's right

I asked a question to someone in accounting I was like hey do you happen to know this and they were like no I'd have to look that up and I said that's too much work don't do it

and I left but now you've and they came back to me like 40 minutes later having created this wonderful summary of what I asked and I said

okay so I know your mother-in-law will operate in this fashion where they say you know oh gosh it sure be nice if the temperature was a little higher in here but no no trouble don't get up and turn it up that is not how I work

if I explicitly say do not do something I consider any further action on doing that thing a complete and utter waste of time not to be done but that's something that people can't handle that And I get it, though. I get it.

Is that if someone did that to you, and it was interesting enough to you, you wouldn't be able to stop but doing it. Oh, I don't know. Do you have an example? I don't think so. I think you're going to have to give me an example. This is a suspicion. Oh, okay.

Okay. If you catch me in it, though, you got to nail me on it. You got to bring it to Wend Show. For sure, don't have an example. Don't even tell me at the time. And I can't think of one. Catch me on it and bring it to Wend Show. I'll try.

We'll see. I'm ready. The problem is you would have to be sufficiently interested. interested in the thing? Yeah, it's not just anything. Oh, okay. Yeah, it wasn't an interesting thing I asked. Got it.

Yeah, I was just curious. It was for like a throwaway joke in a video or something. Like, I was just like, if I said this, would it be true? And so I was doing a quick fact check, and then it was more than three seconds of work. And so I was like, this is not worth it. I will write a different joke. Got it. I get that.

What I'm trying to describe is, like, if someone serves you the, like, most interesting looking thing of your day but then it can't necessarily like turn into something more valuable and you're like oh I can do whatever and they're like oh never mind it's fine I think you'd be very tempted to follow through it anyways maybe but that's a specific scenario

and is not what you're just describing Tim says okay I've got to ask I know you have ADHD but do you have autism because I have autism and that kind of direct no really I mean the exact thing I say is only something I see with other people with autism. I'm not diagnosed. It's clearly not super severe.

However, I have more than one family member somewhere on the spectrum, like actually diagnosed. And my whole clan is a little spectrum-y. And I mean that in the, you know, kindest, fuzziest possible way. I definitely do experience things that other people with autism report experiencing.

I'll do things like when I'm walking, I'll accidentally kind of brush my foot on the ground in a particular way and then I'll have to do it again. Otherwise, I can't, like, cancel it out. Like, there's weird sensory stuff like that, but clearly it's not a hindrance, so there's never been really, any need to get a formal diagnosis.

X-Fund says, undiagnosed, but what else could it be? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, spectrum-y is my word that I like to use to describe it, says Shraf 2K, because it can never be wrong. Literally everyone, all the way from zero to one, is on a spectrum. We care too much about giving ourselves special little... Which is the kind of literal...

Pokemon elements. Literal label. I'm a fired wind type, fired flying type. Spectrumi is the kind of literal label that someone spectrumy would apply. Yeah. It's technically true. Nice.

But I, yeah, I don't know. I, I, I can't care too much about it. Yeah. Yeah. you first oh right we'll see you again next week same bad time

same bad channel folks bye