The WAN Show - Apple’s Wearable AI Pin Sounds Cringe - WAN Show January 23, 2026

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:02 What is up, everybody, and welcome to the WAN Show. I forget which one was the headline title today. Ah, yes, of course. Thank you, producer Dan, for whispering my ear. We've got a lot of great topics for you guys today. Apple is reportedly working on an AI wearable pin because that worked so well the times that other companies tried to do it. I mean, who knows?
Starting point is 00:00:29 Apple does tend to do that. They take something other people do kind of crappily, and they do it, better if only anybody wanted that. Yeah. Also, Sony has given up 51% of its Bravia TV business to China's TCL in a new strategic partnership, which sounds an awful lot more like a strategic, well, you know what, when you give someone a controlling stake in your business, look, I'm just saying that Sony doesn't control their TV business anymore, which is wild to me as a 90s kid.
Starting point is 00:01:05 What else we got? That was wild. Speaking of wild and companies maybe like kind of not existing anymore, Ubisoft, just, are you okay? Yeah, I just, I couldn't tell if our chair partner... You know who isn't okay? Ubisoft. What?
Starting point is 00:01:29 I couldn't tell if our chair partner. razor has their armrests at a different level or if I am just a lopsided human. I think based on that they both tuck under the table at the same height, it's me. Hi, I'm the problem, it's me. Carry on. Speaking about lopsided? I don't know. YouTube blog. What's new for YouTube in 2026? Oh, I'm actually excited about this. Yeah. I saw one thing I liked and then I ignored the rest of it. And so hopefully the rest is good too. Uh, you today by Rove Lab, Squarespace, Factor Meals, and Odu, alongside our rap partner D brand, and
Starting point is 00:02:27 our laptop partner Razor. They already got a shout out for the chair, so they don't get another one. That's all I'm contractually obligated to do. What do we want to get into first? How about we jump right into Apple, reportedly working on an AI wearable pin? The Information. Great domain, by the way. great snag
Starting point is 00:02:49 theinformation.com. Fantastic work with that, you guys. The information reports that Apple is working on an AI-powered wearable pin. The pin's tech features
Starting point is 00:03:01 are speculated to be many packed with two cameras including a standard and wide-angle lens, three microphones, a speaker, and a physical button.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Its shell is rumored because it's all all rumors. Functionally pure speculation at this point. Yeah. Its shell is rumored to be aluminum and glass with a magnetic inductive charger like the Apple Watch. And the target size is apparently a little thicker than an air tag with about the same circumference.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Can I interrupt myself for one moment here? Yes, sure. No problem, Linus. Go ahead. Thank you. I would like to point out that if Apple does go ahead and make this out of metal. Aluminum is a light metal, but it's metal.
Starting point is 00:03:52 And glass, which is rocks. Thank you for that. Yes, let's flash our... No, the AI pin, the original AI pin... What are you trying to show the people out there? You're going very deep. You're really sending it on that one.
Starting point is 00:04:08 I mean, is it any deeper than I usually go? Yeah. Well, they have these great ads on these fantastic websites about, you know, improving your ability to... You know what?
Starting point is 00:04:23 The point is that this wouldn't be the first time that Apple made a device that needs to be light for its use case and they just need to make it and they go and they make it out of these heavy... What if it was metal?
Starting point is 00:04:37 Yeah, what if it was made of metal and glass? Yeah. Anyway, to be clear, none of this is confirmed, but I hope that they would think to make it out of something really light if it is intended to be worn as a pin of any sort. It seems that Apple is wanting this wearable to compete with a product that is coming from
Starting point is 00:04:56 OpenAI's collaboration with Joniive later in 2026. However, allegedly, the Apple product is not likely to launch until 2027. Our discussion question here is, apparently Apple plans to produce around 20 million units at launch. Is that a realistic number of AI pins? given how other AI pins have catastrophically failed. And maybe the bigger conversation here is, what would you even want from an AI pin? What would be a useful AI pin to you?
Starting point is 00:05:31 I have noticed two separate people that I know, really deep diving AI stuff recently. And okay, I don't mean getting really into like how it all works and stuff like that. I mean really just letting it take over their lives completely. including like some pretty important things just being left to like the AI autopilot as far as I can tell. I got to know. You got to,
Starting point is 00:05:56 you don't have to name any names, but like, like what? Are we talking meals? Are we talking how to talk to their spouse? Like relationship? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:06 So these are very important things. Yeah. Okay. Meals, honestly, I think for a lot of people, meals are not a deep dive for AI stuff. Right,
Starting point is 00:06:12 right, right. Pretty common. Like, okay. So. Although it, does a terrible job and you probably shouldn't do that. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:20 In my experience. Right, right, right. Because it recommends something other than chicken, which... That's obviously a failure. Everyone knows is the 100% success meal. Yeah. Yeah. You know, my meal plan might just be actually even more chicken moving forward.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Really? You're going to eat more... How could you eat more chicken? Less rice. Less rice, more chicken. Okay. Good. Good.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Sorry, I'm just... trying to find something because I tried to use AI for not quite the first time, but one of the first times. Okay, when is that video coming out? Oh, no, not that one. When is that video coming out there? I know, that needs to come out at some point, but that's separate conversation. Okay. So I was in this ultimate fighting bots, like robot fight thing, and I'm trying to find the freaking
Starting point is 00:07:14 UFB. Wait, what? What? What? Hold on. Okay. Anyway, I was in it, and I had to look up who one of the other competitors was, because they, you know, they were super cool, they were super nice, but it was one of those things where I, like, I didn't catch their name at the very beginning, and we were hanging out for long enough that it reached the point where it was going to be kind of embarrassing if I had to ask again. So my brilliant idea was I took a picture of the operator card, like, little handout that they had. And I circled the person and I used my, oh, this is a video. Good Lord. Here we go. Oh, of course it's a video. Everything's a video.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Why is everything a freaking video? I just want a not video. Says video make man. Listen, I am doing my best right now. Okay, I am not perfect. I am trying. Ultimate Fighting Bots 5. Okay, I'm just trying to find the post.
Starting point is 00:08:24 You know what? It doesn't matter. The point is, I held the button on my thing. I circled the person and I said, who is this? And it was like, sorry, I can't give you results about people. And I was like, this is literally a tech influencer. This is a public figure. It's not like I'm, it's not like I'm discreetly snapping a picture.
Starting point is 00:08:45 of someone at the gym being like give me her home address you know like it's it's not it's not creepy i just want to know like like you got to do grok for that yeah like like if if someone has hundreds of thousands of followers or whatever i i would think that it would just tell me like who is this sort of broadly speaking and i tried it for myself too it wouldn't even tell me who i was which is like where so where's the where's the line it feels like an existential crisis waiting to It just feels, it just feels kind of useless. And so I'm... Dude, I tried to call someone on staff while I was driving.
Starting point is 00:09:26 And I did like, hey Google called this person. And it called some like random grocery store with a somewhat similar name. It feels like the same problem as Google. You've talked about this with trying to call your wife. It feels like a similar problem to like Windows search where it's like, if there's a close match in my contacts list, maybe go with that first instead of a random grocery store. I tried to navigate to a community center in Surrey,
Starting point is 00:09:55 and it tried to navigate to somewhere in like the States when I tried to use my voice for ways. I am at the point now where I am just, I want to put my fist through the freaking dash of my car. Every time I have to use my voice to interact with Android Auto or CarPlay, I just, I'm so done with it. It's so much slower and so much less reliable than just being allowed to type a couple of letters and let the auto-complete go and then press the thing. I don't understand the completely freaking wrong thinking that has gone into these alternative interfaces, whether it's the little like, like I draw on a touchpad here or I have a knob to go through the letters.
Starting point is 00:10:44 here or I draw on a screen up here or I use my voice which is just it's it's so so unreliable that it causes so much more distraction than if I could just tap what is usually just three or four letters and it will it'll auto complete wherever it is that I'm trying to go um anyway so so what would what would we want out of an AI pin I guess I guess my issue is that every interaction that I just don't believe it's going to work had with it has been so unreliable and so useless that I just I don't want anything like okay another perfect example and I know that this is something that is tunable by the car manufacturer so I don't know if this is across the board with Android Auto but I'll be having a conversation with my kids in the car and I'll
Starting point is 00:11:31 hit my my voice button on my steering wheel and I'll be like hey tell me about the battle of Waterloo and it'll be like I'm sorry I can't do that fucking why? I can listen to audio books. I can listen to the radio. I can talk to other people in the car. I can, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the only successful things I can routinely do through voice controls is set alarms and start music playing.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Even getting it to play really specific songs can sometimes be a problem, but I can just get it to like, just play music and it will, it will generally do it. So I'm just kind of sitting here going, I know how some of the people around here use their meta glasses, for instance. Like start recording video, stop recording video. I guess that's something, but I can't think of any reason why I would want that to be on a pin rather than my field of view. Feels objectively faster to be. Point of view. Sorry, objectively better to be your glasses because the pin is effectively never going to be pointed.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Or stable. The exact right spot. Yeah. There's the problem. Honestly, if it weighs almost any amount and like has a battery in it, so there's like a bit of a floor, it's going to tug down on your shirt. If you remember that that AI pin that epically failed in all of their marketing and all of their test videos and everything, they were wearing relatively heavy clothing and pinned it on that. It was like, seemed pretty obvious as to why they were doing that. And then the other main use case is that kind of just
Starting point is 00:13:11 tell me about this what's the how many u.s. dollars is this you know it and it's in some other currency or whatever like like that sort of thing which again i would much rather have on glasses from my point of view rather than like what i'm gonna i'll like hold stuff up to my pin and hope that i have it framed correctly and it has the you know enough situational awareness to understand what exactly it is that I'm asking it about. I don't know. This just... And I understand like some people aren't going to want to wear glasses, but I don't think the answer to that problem is pinnable things. We also have to remember that Apple has enough R&D budget to buy the earth and all the heavens.
Starting point is 00:13:57 So they could conceivably R&D this entire product all the way to manufactureability and... It's not. And then just go, hey, that was a really great learning experience. Let's make it into our glasses. Yes. That makes far more sense to me, person. Or they can just pull another Applevision pro.
Starting point is 00:14:15 What's the last? I don't think they do want to pull another Apple Vision Pro. I don't think anyone does. What's the last product that Apple released that was net new that went well? I mean, we talked about this. Was it watch? We started to talk about this on the show earlier, and it's been tough. Apple has been, Tim Cook has done a lot of things really well.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Like Apple is a supply chain management monster. Like they're absolutely incredible. They have executed on the yearly cadence for iPhone with precision so good you could set your Apple Watch to it. You know, like they've come out with accessories for the iPhone like the Apple Watch. Guys, AirPods 4 is not a net new product. I'm talking a new product line. Well, AirPods, I would say, is net new. I agree.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And hugely successful. But was that after or before the watch? But again, post watch. Yeah. But again, it's an iPhone accessory, right? It's not a completely new category of product in the way that I think you're asking me. Yeah. Apple Silicon is unbelievable, absolutely incredible.
Starting point is 00:15:31 It's a component of... But it's a component of a MacBook, which was already a thing that existed. And I think, honestly, AI PIN. just kind of feels like like like like desperate thrashing trying to find yeah something new and some some relevance in this AI obsessed corporate world right now um Frizer says mac mini yeah there's a new Mac mini but the Mac mini has not a new existed forever and it's just a computer yeah when did the first Mac mini come out we're essentially drilling down to 2006 no two
Starting point is 00:16:10 2005, apparently, according to AI. Yeah, wild. Wait, was there a Mac Mini? Holy crap. There was a Mac Mini before Intel. PowerPCG for Mac Mini. Support.Apple.com is the source. I think I'll take their word for it.
Starting point is 00:16:29 That ATI graphics, brother. So, yeah, Mac Mini is not what would count as a new product for Apple. Apple, Apple TV. Yeah, I'll accept Apple TV. What? It even looked like, surprisingly modern. That's pretty cool.
Starting point is 00:16:49 Like, this is the back of it. That's pretty cool. That's crazy. Huh. Okay. HomePod. Yeah, but we were asking for successful products. Like, they've really struggled to come up with a new thing.
Starting point is 00:17:07 They worked for years on that car project and then just canned it. The watch came out. one year before the AirPods, you write, AirPods came out after. Air tag's cool, but I stand behind. That's an iPhone accessory. It doesn't work without an iPhone. Anything that doesn't work, I do. Okay, this is interesting.
Starting point is 00:17:28 One of the things that I've gone off on multiple times is the way that Apple treats buyers of their products, like second-class citizens, if they haven't bought enough of their products. And I too start to wonder if that's something that culturally at Apple could be holding them back, if they're afraid to make something that isn't an iPhone accessory because AirPods don't have to be an iPhone accessory.
Starting point is 00:17:55 They could have all the same functionality. They could. On Android or on a PC, they could. But they decide that they don't. They decide that you can't even so much as update your firmware unless you have an Apple device to connect it to. and and so i you know i'm thinking you know you know AirPods how many more AirPods could they have sold if
Starting point is 00:18:16 they were cross platform and you you could just use them with anything i don't think that much more which might be an unfortunate answer maybe a lot of people that i know that have androids just also have AirPods and just deal with them being crap yeah no that's fair um yeah i've heard of Libra pods super cool project um i haven't actually started using it correctly. But yeah, that that whole, that whole mentality that they have, that you're not really an Apple user. You're not, you're not, you're not really like a customer that we need to take care of and provide basic functionality that we advertise for the product or the ability to keep the, keep its software or firmware up to date, unless you've, you've bought
Starting point is 00:19:05 more of our products. You have to buy, you have to buy more of our products. You really should have an iPhone. The fact that you, I mean, you don't have an iPhone, why would you need to be able to Man, what was it? I was trying to, I was trying to, like, cancel a subscription on my Apple TV. I remember that. And it was like a super, super tedious roundabout process if I didn't have an iPhone. For some reason or another, I forget the exact details around it. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I don't think AIPin is the answer. And it really does seem like they're just at sort of a loss. They've become kind of a follower. Like, Vision Pro has been such a disaster. And I think I can say that. objectively at this point. When's the last time you saw somebody using one? This is an Apple product.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Like if it doesn't move millions and millions of units, it was not worth them lifting a finger to develop it. Yeah, Apple Mac Pro Wheels, those were new. You're right, but I don't think those are going to go down as a major success. Yeah, I do think glasses would kill. Yeah, assuming they're good. If they had good smart glasses, they would destroy. I mean, it's not like anyone that I know of loves meta.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Yeah. You know, I don't think that Facebook slash meta slash Oculus slash whatever you want to sort of call what they're doing with their augmented reality stuff. I don't think anyone is rooting for them to win. No. It's just they happen to have a product that is admitted. quite appealing. Like, the video quality out of those glasses is mind-blowing to me for how compact it is. Like, super cool.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Personally, I haven't found myself craving them. And I do, I am starting to wonder if I'm just becoming a bit of a boomer. Because I've been, I actually saw there's a post on the Reddit asking, Linus, where the heck's your Garmin smartwatch video. And part of the reason that I haven't done the short circuit. yet. It's going to be a short circuit is that I just haven't interacted with it very much. I don't really care about it. It got my attention
Starting point is 00:21:31 today because I accidentally left my phone in my office and I ran to the washroom to pick all of the Muccio burrito out of my braces after lunch because that's part of my life now. It's a fun experience. Yeah, it's good. It's nice. There's a whole second meal in there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so someone called on teams and I was like oh oh shoot so my my wrist starts vibrating and I and I realized I was like oh I can't actually interact with this because they're calling on teams and um all I can do is decline the call I can't send a message I can't accept the call I just so I'll just run back to
Starting point is 00:22:08 my desk then so functionally it didn't it didn't do much it didn't change it didn't really change my life I use it to set timers when I do badminton training on um Monday night. I feel like everything for you and me is like that, that, whatever that TV show is, where there's a little robot. It's like,
Starting point is 00:22:27 what is my purpose? And for us, it's always just like, you set timers. Like all the AI systems just suck at everything else. We're just like, whatever you set timers now. Rick and Morty,
Starting point is 00:22:36 yeah, there we go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you pass butter. Yeah, I just, and look at glasses.
Starting point is 00:22:45 I feel like it would be the same for me. There's there's there's there was one time, uh, well, we're starting a family vlog. So there you go. There's that. Neat. Um, so there was one time we were, we were playing volleyball at the, at the, on the beach. And I realized afterward, man, I brought meta glasses with me on this trip so that I could like try them. This would have been a perfect use case for it. So like, like, like vlogging or something like that. Yeah, I could, I could see having a camera mounted to your head all the time being super useful. I haven't seen a lot of, uh, maybe this is my sphere of, content, but I haven't seen a lot of, like,
Starting point is 00:23:22 video filmed with meta-glasses content. Maybe you didn't realize. I don't. Really? I don't think so. Okay. It's really good, though. Like, shockingly good.
Starting point is 00:23:34 I was really surprised by how good the quality was when I used it. I just actually don't really think so, though. Are, like, are you, have you guys, is there big creators doing this? Have you guys seen anybody? Yeah, let us know. I mean, everyone's talking about. about adult content and chat because classic degenerate chat. That makes sense. Sure.
Starting point is 00:23:56 Yep, that makes sense. Yeah, because I just, I don't know. I'm kind of surprised that I haven't, but then I also wonder if that's more on like the short form content realm, which I generally try to stay away from. I haven't seen it either. Shorts creators. No, DNA.
Starting point is 00:24:15 I'm not like seeking out videos from people who have them to be clear. I just haven't actually Like seen a lot So if it's if it's mostly just short creators That makes sense because I kind of avoid that Yeah Okay I got a browser add on
Starting point is 00:24:35 That removes shorts from my YouTube page Nice They're just gone How's that going for you? Great Cool I tried the
Starting point is 00:24:46 I tried the official way Which is show me fewer shorts Doesn't work at all I've yeah I've heard that but I don't think I've used YouTube since I clicked the button so I haven't noticed. Yeah. No, I tried that. I didn't do anything. Which browser out on is it? I don't remember the name. Cool.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Apparently there's a pilot according to Dents One in floatplane chat that does some cool long form videos with meta glasses. That would be awesome. See, that's like a cool use case that I think those are probably particularly good for because like a GoPro in that scenario would be very annoying to Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. In a lot of scenarios. was they're pretty annoying to wear it. Yeah, pain in the butt. Amaria says, my show fewer shorts button works for like a week,
Starting point is 00:25:30 and then they come back. Well, it's probably because the sun came out. Nice. I thought there was a follow-up pun. I don't know. Yeah. That was a fairly weak ding, I think. Well, listen.
Starting point is 00:25:52 We need like a ding damper, so you can get like the first like, but then it doesn't remember it. No. No, that would be so unsatisfying. Gross. Gross. No.
Starting point is 00:26:02 That's what that. deserves. I refuse. Great fun, Linus. What's the opposite of Pavlov? So now that we've trained you to have a dopamine response to the good thing, what's the opposite of dopamine? Probably like, manslaughter. I don't know. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:26:33 All right. Speaking of... Speaking of YouTube, YouTube CEO Neil Mohan published a blog post on January 21st about new things coming in 2026. Some of the notable ones include shorts feed changes to allow image posts.
Starting point is 00:26:51 YouTube TV will be getting multi-view, allowing users to watch up to four different YouTube TV feeds at once. That's right, my friends. You can have quadruple the brain run. on your TV. Amazing. There will be updates to parental controls
Starting point is 00:27:07 and they will be simplifying parental controls which I am very much in support of. There will be more monetization options for vertical streaming which actually probably makes a ton of sense right now.
Starting point is 00:27:20 Updates to YouTube shopping including having purchases baked into the app instead of redirecting to another store. That'll be really good for people who are interested in selling things on the platform and really bad for people
Starting point is 00:27:32 with impulse control problems. Yeah. We've got tools for creators to swap out their baked in ads and then resell and replace those ad spots at later dates, which is going to be an absolute gold mine for like very evergreen content creators. I don't know that it will be as useful for us, but if you make videos that are about the War of 1812, for instance, then absolutely. nothing would prevent you like, oh, actually a perfect example of this would be,
Starting point is 00:28:07 oh man, what's his name? He does the, the cue. Oversimplified. It's a perfect example of someone who could benefit from this immensely because he does those like limited edition merch drops in his videos. So if he could go back and replace his entire back catalog with whatever his current merch drop is, wow. That could be pretty, that could be pretty, uh, That could be very powerful for creators like that. What else we got? Some AI transparency labeling to help users identify when videos are made with AI, assuming they can even tell.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Combats to AI slop didn't get into much detail there. I like the idea. Hopefully it executes well. They also gave some stats for YouTube. 200 billion views every day on shorts alone. I really wonder how they calculate views on shorts. Yep. According to a 2025 Cantar survey,
Starting point is 00:29:01 93% of 18 to 27 year old US viewers agree YouTube helps you learn new skills I wonder what the other 7% are Probably not shorts as much Maybe they've never heard of YouTube 79% of US teachers are using YouTube to teach students $100 billion was paid out to creators, artists and media companies in the last four years
Starting point is 00:29:25 That is a truly astronomical number And then in 2024 in the US YouTube says they contributed 55 billion to GDP and supported over 490,000 full-time jobs. That's wild. Almost half a million full-time, maybe not creators, right? Because there's a lot more full-time jobs than just me, like here at LTT. But like half a million full-time jobs? I could see that for sure.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Yeah, I guess. But like I just never really thought about it. that way. It's interesting. Creator economy, man. I wonder how they calculated that, but I'm not too stunned by the number. Eggnog and April says,
Starting point is 00:30:11 yeah, I don't believe half a million jobs. I mean, why not? I kind of do. I know so many creators that have enormous teams. And when I say enormous,
Starting point is 00:30:21 I don't mean like a thousand people, but I'm talking like 10 or 20. And there's the amount of like, so many. So many. two to three people YouTube teams is like endless. Huge. Like it used to be not that long ago,
Starting point is 00:30:37 back in my day, man yells at Cloud. Back in my day. That you could literally take all the YouTubers with a million subscribers and put them on stage at once and give them giant YouTube play button plaques. That was a thing. Whereas now?
Starting point is 00:30:51 Like how many channels are there with a million subscribers? How many YouTube channels have a million? subscribers quite a few you also don't need a million subs to hire people and make a team especially in modern YouTube I'd argue where there are certain like
Starting point is 00:31:10 crazy niches where you can be super successful with 20,000 views of video um it's just an audience that like supports really heavily or monetizes really heavily like they'll buy the things that you're talking about a lot and you get big affiliate revenue or whatever else um
Starting point is 00:31:28 Okay. See. I don't know. The AI overview estimates around 69,000 channels, nice. As of mid-2020-5, but I haven't actually found awesome Creator Academy. So 69,182. As of when? In 2025.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Okay. So. Out of date. It's 2026 now. The point is a lot. Now, obviously not all of those are in the U.S., But as we already talked about, a lot of those channels probably are either directly or indirectly responsible for the full-time employment of a lot more than one people, one people, one person. Like, LMG, for instance, directly employs like 100 plus.
Starting point is 00:32:22 I think we're sitting at around 120 right now. Does that sound about right? Yes. Ish. But there are also people who are indirectly full-time employed who don't necessarily work for us. Like, for instance, our third-party logistics company in Richmond. This is one of the reasons why I said it to, I wonder how they're counting it. Because we're over half of their business.
Starting point is 00:32:43 So by that logic, half their head count is, is. Do you count some amount of employment for all the services that support us? Absolutely. Internet. I would think so. Oh. That's not going to be a whole person. That's getting pretty fuzzy.
Starting point is 00:32:59 But it's part of a person. Yeah. Here it says YouTube support. imported over 490,000 full-time jobs. So it's very... I think it has to be more direct employment. Unclear exactly what they would mean by that. But then you're counting the shipping thing.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Yeah, which I think is... I think is fair, but I'm just... Where is the line, though? Yeah. Not sure. Not sure. I think the biggest one for me was actually that, um, for the parental controls, I can now, I have the granularity to turn off shorts.
Starting point is 00:33:33 or limit shorts directly for my dependence, which is huge. That's actually huge, thank you. Because I don't mind my kids using YouTube at all. I do mind a lot than doom scrolling shorts. Shorts is a different thing. The different beast entirely. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:52 I feel like I do, I do feel a little bit like every generation goes through this. Books were once the devil and an idle pastime that, rotted your brain, and then it was radio, and then it was TV, and then it was video games, and then, and then, and then, and then, and so, you know, I'm sitting here going, well, you know, I grew up with YouTube, and I turned out okay, but these shorts, these shorts are bad, they'll rot your brain, except, I mean, they do seem to kind of be doing that.
Starting point is 00:34:25 No, actually, though. Yeah. Anyways, I really like the learning new skills. and the viewers agree that YouTube helps sorry teachers are using 79% of teachers using YouTube to teach students I was kind of wondering time for business meeting on WAN Show time there was a thread on the Redits recently
Starting point is 00:34:50 about the Vimeo thing no a tech quickie episode being used in a classroom yes I lost it it's somewhere in here But that, you know, that happens. We'll get a little Reddit post about that every once in a while. Yeah, every once in a while. Yeah, every once in a while.
Starting point is 00:35:08 It's been a consistent thing for a long time. Have you ever thought of, like, working with some form of curriculum or something like that to make content, like, for classroom? Oh, interesting. That's not where I thought you were going. So YouTube actually has features where educational institutions can license your content for use in classroom. Yeah. We've always opted out. just because I don't, I don't care.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Whatever, dude, just use it. Yeah, that's always kind of been my stance. As for like, like supplemental materials that are specifically designed in partnership with, with some kind of educational institution, I think that's super cool. I'd be. There's a neat idea. Yeah, and like obviously, you know, if the ideal for us would be that it's stuff that we could still upload on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:36:05 So I wouldn't want to go into much more depth than something like a tech quickie already would. But if it was meant to be like, hey, here's the new unit we're working on today. Here's a fun, fast-paced, engaging, top-level primer of what we're going to dig into over the next two to three weeks of our coursework. I'd be super interested in that. Yeah, for sure. Sounds awesome to me.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Yeah, that'd be great. You should make a comp to your rival just to troll them. You can certify yourself No, I wouldn't need to do that That's that there it is I mean look You've got the paper It's good enough
Starting point is 00:36:41 Last time there's like a lot of spiders On the back of that Just a heads up Nope seems like you're probably fine There's a dead one Listen They can take away The actual certification
Starting point is 00:37:01 Online But they can never take away This piece of paper That I printed for myself You should You should pause the video and freeze frame that and then zoom in and replace the name Linus Sebastian with your name and print your own nice you should not we would never
Starting point is 00:37:19 endorse such a thing yeah what stands out to you from the YouTube blog I mean I didn't even see it in here but that thing you told me about shorts and being able to control your kids feeds is amazing yeah that's awesome I'm I'm actually surprised that 79% of US teachers are using YouTube to teach students really like I know we get those post every once in a while, I didn't think it was going to be effectively 80% of teachers. I mean, so many teachers are like friggin millennials now. Like they're, of course they... I get it.
Starting point is 00:37:50 It makes sense. I'm just surprised that it's that high. And that number is why I thought of the like, man, like, maybe we should support this more. I don't know if that's a desire from anybody, but I mean, it does seem like our videos get used. I have usually seen our videos getting used in universities. that's usually the the what people are talking about when it when it comes up or our technical colleges or whatever um so i don't know if maybe maybe we'd need to aim differently to show up in in like high schools or whatever but stay the path says yeah i have
Starting point is 00:38:23 a bunch of friends who are teachers and i'd be very surprised if they never showed their kids youtube videos yeah okay cool makes sense yeah i mean i i used it as a military instructor for airplanes says bordaga sweet i mean if somebody else did the work of no yeah i get it I just like, I don't remember, you know, they'd roll out Bill and I every once in a while, but it was, it was like pretty rare that we watched things in class. Yeah, I guess that's true, isn't it? So, like, is that more common now? I would assume so.
Starting point is 00:38:54 I would assume so. I mean, our school only had, like, a handful of, like, AV carts. This is my point. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, I, I'm just super out of touch with high schools, I guess, because they probably, I'm assuming, do they just all have projectors now? Or like, what's the...
Starting point is 00:39:10 I think so. Actually, I think so. I think my kid's school, all the classrooms have projectors in them. So are schools, like a huge client for projectors? Like when the... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Like Ben Q. Ben Q. Ben Q. My school had none. Lives or dies on, like, how many school projectors they sell. Like big, big university projectors. And I was going to say,
Starting point is 00:39:31 yeah, like, I was helping out in one of my kids' classrooms. They had, like, a parent helper day. This was a few years ago. My kids are all a little. bit older now, but it used to be when they're younger, you could go in and you could, like, help run, like, a unit that they were doing or whatever. It was a nice way to just kind of see your kids in their environment at school, see how they're doing, see which of their friends. Probably we, like, shouldn't invite over, you know, the rabble rousers. Anyway, like, so I happened to be
Starting point is 00:40:01 there when they did the morning announcements, and it was, like, a video. Oh. Yeah. So, like, the principal was, like, on video in the classroom. And I was like, oh, I, I guess that's pretty smart. Was it a live stream? I don't know. I actually don't know. I didn't think about it. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:40:14 But like they definitely all have like, you know, projectors in their classrooms. Sure. Yeah. And like, if you think about it, like, yeah, why not? Yeah, no, it makes sense. I just, I don't know. Projectors like, I haven't been back to high school since high school. Projectors like a few hundred bucks, a grand.
Starting point is 00:40:28 You get a for a little screen on there and like some networking. Like it, yeah, there's nothing that, I mean, you know a person who worked in, in school IT. Yeah. for quite a few years. It's nothing. That guy wouldn't have been able to figure out. I mean, he probably did.
Starting point is 00:40:44 I just mostly talked to him about like server stuff. So we never got into like, what are the like classroom configurations that you have? But yeah, it's really interesting. The whole story is very long. So I probably won't go through the whole thing. But I was recently on a trip that ended up a little haphazard.
Starting point is 00:41:03 And I ended up in a location I did not expect at a very, very, very small town. And I had a thought while I was there. Are you not going to talk about the town visit? I was going to ask you about it later on this show. It's just a long story. Yeah, sure, fine. Maybe later. Maybe later.
Starting point is 00:41:15 But something that I did think of was the internet there was so, so bad that I kind of had this thought. Like, I mean, there was none at the airport. There was no cell signal. There was no whatever at the airport. You had to drive into town to like get signal. I had this thought of like, it would be kind of fun to do a, I don't know if it's a series or a one-off or whatever, but you're doing tech house. Could there be like tech tiny town where it's like...
Starting point is 00:41:42 You're just trying to push this Linus Town thing. We set up... Oh, I didn't even think. That's brilliant. No, it's not brilliant. No, that's great idea. Great idea, Linus. That's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Fantastic idea. This is why you're the mayor of Linus Town. That makes sense. He's so smart. He's so intelligent. That might be one of the best ideas you've ever had. Our greatest dear leader. You could totally just buy a tiny town.
Starting point is 00:42:06 I'm getting cooking. What a phenomenal idea. Always one after the other. Look at them go. Walking off the stage, not running this time. Okay. So my thought was basically like, you know, we could probably partner with somebody. We could partner with ubiquity, whatever.
Starting point is 00:42:40 but because ubiquity has those point-to-point dishes, right? So like, could we make this a little bit better? While I was there, I speed tested, which probably brought the whole thing down, but I speed tested and I got 2.4 megs down, and it just crit failed on the upload. Nothing. It didn't give me a report. Speed test just gave me the download.
Starting point is 00:43:00 I've never seen that before. And it also had 900 latency to the closest server. A second. Yeah, but not only that, felt like it was like on an analog on off switch that was constantly running because if i sat there with a web page open on my phone and just refreshed repeatedly it would load and then like fail web page not found and then load and just rotate that constantly and apps like basically didn't function because it wouldn't have like the continual connection that an app would expect it was
Starting point is 00:43:35 really bad like i i don't think i've experienced internet that bad in um decades. So I was just thinking, like, is there something we can do to, like, help, basically? And is this interesting? Like, to me, it's kind of interesting. I'm trying to get into some home laby stuff recently and whatnot. That's why I thought ubiquity exiles on their website looking at different things that they had. I saw their point-to-point things. They're really good and affordable point-to-points. They do. And I don't have a use case for it, but I find those things fascinating. They're super cool. We have one on the ceiling here. still going to CW.
Starting point is 00:44:11 We might have gotten rid of it. It might be a backup link now. Ah, that makes that. But for the price, that's like crazy cheap for what you can do with it. Yeah, and this, I mean, this isn't a, this isn't a ubiquity ad. They also are a sponsor, so.
Starting point is 00:44:27 Are they a sponsor right now? I have no idea. Who knows? This has nothing to do with that, but they just, they have some cool stuff. And I thought it could be an interesting experience to, to do some network connection stuff
Starting point is 00:44:39 for future Linus Town. You're still talking about this? I tried to time it for your return. I think it worked. Nicely done. Jeez. Because of you, I had to get two packs of cookies. Two packs of cookies.
Starting point is 00:44:59 To deal with my stress. All right. Part of the perk benefits of Linus Town is if you're feeling particularly stressed out, you get free cookies. You get two packs. You had a hard day. Have two packs of cookies. These will make you feel better. Very temporarily.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Automatically deducted from your monthly Linus bucks. All right. That's double your daily portion of food. I guess that's all we need to say about the YouTube announcement. Dan, that was topic too. So what are we supposed to be doing now? Well, we got 10 minutes. We could do merch messages now.
Starting point is 00:45:39 We could do another topic that was quick. We've got lots today. Sure. Why don't we do a quick topic? Let's do a quick topic. What's a quick one? Oh, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:49 So I have a proposal. Microsoft needs to have their new Coke moment. Oh. Sorry. I read this before the show and got really excited because I like can't agree more. They think about it. Coke was having trouble with Coke. Okay?
Starting point is 00:46:07 So they come up with new Coke. everyone hates it they bring back Coca-Cola classic everybody loves it sales go hockey stick okay right brilliant Microsoft has this kind of problem with their helper monkeys their assistants
Starting point is 00:46:24 you know back when Clippy was their current helper I mean even I think the which one came first Clippy or the dog the search dog I genuinely don't know but I thought it was Search dog was XP
Starting point is 00:46:40 That was XP And then, but I thought Clippy was office XP Clippy was also I think they were like That was their character's era Clippy was apparently Word 97
Starting point is 00:46:49 Whoa Damn I'm old Says, says Pinkrats Okay well whatever The point is At the time
Starting point is 00:46:58 At the time At the time Everyone freaking hated Clippy Oh yeah Right Everyone hated the dog Right
Starting point is 00:47:05 until they gave us Cortana and then all of a sudden I felt nostalgic for Clippy You know I was like Oh the dog I remember the dog That dog that never found anything That was so cute Right the flashlight would go like this
Starting point is 00:47:20 And oh no the dog was after the flashlight The point is Wow the dog was first 1995 It didn't get better They gave us They gave us Cortana We hated Cortana Until they gave us co-pilot
Starting point is 00:47:32 And now I'm sitting there going How much would I love to just have Cortana back? Okay, but seriously, do you think back positively nostalgicly for Cortana? I think compared to co-pilot, yes, I think it's all relative. It was easier to get out of the way? I think Microsoft just needs to completely new-coke this, throw away the co-pilot branding entirely, and make their big AI push around Clippy. I would unironically want to try Clippy. I would too.
Starting point is 00:48:03 And this is why when I read this, I was like, no. way. AI pin called Clippy. You clippy it to your shirt. If it was just a big paper clip, that would actually go so hard. That would be amazing. That's an genuinely incredible product idea. Holy crap.
Starting point is 00:48:19 All right. Take down the stream. That's wild. We should make an AI pin. It's not like it's hard. Actually, though. It's all just calling out. Arduino.
Starting point is 00:48:33 Do you know hot glue? Look, if we want to. It's been. Luke, if we want a grift, we all know that the answer is an ICA. Minus 10. Oh. The answer is going to be a coin. Both? Linus Town and coin? And let me tell you something.
Starting point is 00:48:49 We've had some conversations lately. We've had some conversations. Don't be surprised if in the next, you know, two months and a bit, we have a coin. Don't let it surprise you. That's all I'll say. What is it for? That's all I'll say. What is it for, Luke?
Starting point is 00:49:10 It's a coin. What do you mean? What is it for? So it's... It's for rugs? It's a coin. No, no. Oh, God, no.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Heaven's no. No. It's the unrugged coin. It's a coin. That's all I can say, and we'll have an offering. Oh, okay. That will be initial. Stay tuned.
Starting point is 00:49:34 The first ever coin offering initial. Stay tuned. You can tell he's not sold, you can tell he's not sold, but he hasn't seen all the details yet. He doesn't know the details. Tell me now, are you sold? Yeah, kind of. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, that's actually awesome.
Starting point is 00:50:05 See? This is what I'm talking about. It was that easy to get him on board. You guys will get on board. I will buy one Linus coin. You'll, I mean, if you're lucky, I mean, there's... I should have bought one Bitcoin 20 years ago or whatever. Not quite.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I will buy one Linus coin. Well, I'm not going to lose this hard drive. Oh, Dan. All right. Oh, Dan, what are we doing again? I think we're in, was that the whole topic? The message is merch now. Okay, let's do this.
Starting point is 00:50:39 I got the merch messages. Go to see the W announcements and things. Oh, okay. So where's that? At the very top. Okay. We have no main topics today. When you hide things from me at the very top, I can't find them down. They're supposed to be in the middle.
Starting point is 00:50:51 I didn't write the topic. We've talked about this. Why are you so mean? You gotta put it on a lower shelf. This week's launch. That's what Luke gets. I like it more, maybe, which is so not good. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:11 Do you want to fire up the? the store and then we'll all screen share. Sure. This week's launch takes the old clean-up wizard from your computer and gives it a full-on fantasy makeover.
Starting point is 00:51:23 The collection includes how cool is this hoodie, you guys? The Clean Up Wizard T-shirt in solid black plus a limited run tie-dye version. Oh, I have that. Hold on one sec.
Starting point is 00:51:36 Yes, we are still trying to get rid of the last of the LTX tie-dye shirts. That's sick, though. Yeah, brother. I hadn't seen that one. Yeah, brother. Limited edition, only the LTX23 tie-dye shirts that we have remaining.
Starting point is 00:51:50 We printed Clean Up Wizard on the rest of them. And so we've got it in black. We've got it in the tie-dye. And then we've also got it in our zip-up hoodie printed on the back. You can shop the collection. Oh, here, we got Luke laptop. You can shop the collection at lmg.g.g.g slash cleanup wizard. Some of these photos are
Starting point is 00:52:16 The ones where they actually Like, try to be a real wizard They're like, oh my God Jordan goes super hard with props So good, man Like he's the one who made our Who made the trophies for the last Crapyard Wars That's so good
Starting point is 00:52:36 Oh, there's another one That's amazing Sorry I really like these Oh man. That's great. Now I need to hide my camera so I can buy a tie-dye one before they want to. Really cool design. I believe this one was either entirely or predominantly a Lisa innovation who technically
Starting point is 00:52:56 works for the fashion team, not the design team, but she obviously has a design background. And this basically, I think I asked for like a couple small tweaks, but pretty much she showed it to me and I was like amazing print it I love it's so cool old old Microsoft of mascots that were awesome everyone loved the wizard
Starting point is 00:53:21 yeah everyone loved the wizard even when it was current and this is like cool gritty reimagined wizard and like I love that it looks like a band shirt or something I thought okay Dan was walking in in front of me and he was wearing the
Starting point is 00:53:38 hoodie I'm pretty sure and I saw it on the back and was like, huh, like, you know, never heard of that. That's a cool concert hoodie. When did Dan start dressing well? It just, and then, and then I think he told me, it's like, oh yeah, it's like, you know, a reference that I was like, oh, obviously, because yeah, I thought it was a band shirt. Crazy. Now I need to continue trying to buy one.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Thank you. Before we move on, a quick reminder about the LTT, true. spec cables drop. They're going to be available in USB A to C and USB C to C with plenty of speed and length options for a cleaner setup. You can check out our signup page at LMG.g.g slash cable signup to get more information and features and to get notified as soon as they go live. I would not probably screw around if you want to get exactly the length that you want because we ordered somewhat conservatively on the first round. And I can't guarantee that all sizes will stay in stock unless unless we nailed it and we got the mix exactly right
Starting point is 00:54:47 and we are you leaving a merch message what the call the call is coming from inside the house like if i'm a customer he's within his right i mean you're entitled yeah you're entitled to leave a merch because i mean sorry don't let me stop you go ahead and leave a merch message well that you know i'm sending it so now i need to send something different I mean, you're not subtle. Everyone can tell when you're on your phone on the Lenshow. I'm not trying to creepier. It's that big.
Starting point is 00:55:22 You think I don't know what our own store looks like? I didn't know you could actually see my screen, though. Linus, what if somebody else wanted to send a merches? What do they do? Right, okay. All they would have to do is head over to LTTStore.com where they could pick up some great merchandise, like last week's,
Starting point is 00:55:40 Crash Out shirt, which I actually love. How cute? How cute is the little sad face here? Or you could pick up the Cleanup Wizard Collection. Just drop something in your cart. How about this one? Let's go with this.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Add to cart. And then in your cart, you will see this checkbox right here. I would like my order to appear as a merch message on the LTT stream. You can do it anonymously. You can change the color, however you like. See, that one.
Starting point is 00:56:10 was purple, the one that just faded away in the top up there. And then you can type a merch message. That merch message will go to producer Dan, who will throw it down there if it's just like a shout-out or something, or reply to it himself if he knows the answer, or it's one we've seen a hundred times. Or he might curate it. That is, to say, he will put it in a queue for me and Luke to address later on the show.
Starting point is 00:56:32 We like merch messages because they're a way for you to throw money at your screen, like you would with any other streamer, except instead of just throwing money at your screen and getting, I don't know what, Senpai noticing in return, you also get high-quality products. By the way, I've been using the M-word, and we had a meeting this week. The M-word? Yeah, the M-word. We had a, we're not going to call it merch meeting anymore.
Starting point is 00:56:59 We had a product meeting this week. We are officially banning the word merch because it's not merch. What are these things called then? Check out chats. He talked about this months ago. Yeah, we're going to call it something else. Let's call them checkout chats. So it has the same abbreviation as C cleaner.
Starting point is 00:57:14 I like it. Okay, we could call them. That's good. Okay, what would be M-M? Help us out here, guys. Yeah. Stop it. Moneymakers, says McBain.
Starting point is 00:57:35 Well, Conrad does get final say, and he says, Ram me, Dan. So we're going with that. No, we're not calling it that. Mercantile messages. Thank you for that. Market. Market messages.
Starting point is 00:57:53 Money messages. Stream shouts is kind of cute, says when bingo chronified. Mandatory meetings. Money makers? I think we could go with checkout chats. Send your cocks. Yeah. Elemental exposure. Thank you for that.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Perfect. Okay, let's go with checkout chats. So, yeah, well, it might take a week or two, but let's get the rebrand in here. And let's do, let's call them checkout chats from now on. Because we got to stop calling this stuff merch. It's not merch. It's, we do product development. Like, they were, I think this might have actually been Lisa as well. but she was telling an anecdote
Starting point is 00:58:37 someone was getting like a tour through there and they were like so like all this stuff you guys do would you consider this more like a fashion department and she's like uh-huh like wow you guys do like so much testing
Starting point is 00:58:56 on like the materials and the finishes and everything like you get every it's not true yeah so we've got to just we've got to just stop calling it that yeah we got to respect ourselves enough to call it what it is merch really does just mean merchandise though i know but it but it has that connotation of just being cheaply reproduced alley express stuff with a silk screen logo on it you know all language is cyclical though people just get like tired of a word so they decide it's bad and then you just make a new one that does the same thing loot messages
Starting point is 00:59:38 as long as the words don't start with R I won't get confused calm down I don't know if his mic was on but I could go and losing it over there just giggling through gritted teeth do you want some merch messages to read sorry check out chats
Starting point is 01:00:01 damn it um show me your cock shall I shall I show you some of these Cox I got sent. Talking of... This could not go poorly. Talking of Cox. Can we get a sock update?
Starting point is 01:00:13 Oh. Oh, yes. Can I wearing them today? I'm not wearing them today. I'm wearing old prototypes today. I am so happy. I'm so happy. Oh, man. Nokia, are you excited to do time stamps?
Starting point is 01:00:32 Every week. curated cocks I mean at least Dan's best Cox of 2026 that yeah Poor
Starting point is 01:00:54 Nokey dude oh man sorry you keep going um sock up sorry yeah sock update
Starting point is 01:01:07 so you're working on the cock I'm super happy. I'm with how the latest samples are going. They're really durable. They're really breathable. They're not the softest socks in the world. They're like a marino wool blend.
Starting point is 01:01:23 We found that the percentage of marino wool was not what the manufacturer told us that it was, which is why we do all this materials testing and stuff that makes us, yes, a company with a fashion team, not just a merch. you know, outfit. And so that was super cool. Tatiana, full credit for that. And what we decided was that we're going to stick with the composition that it is because it's great. It's very wearable. But that just is going to affect the way that we advertise it. I had a meeting with Dave, Adam, the head of customer care, Tatiana, so the materials
Starting point is 01:02:05 specialist and then and Bridget who's head of the fashion department not not merch department fashion department and um or had a fashion design i can't remember her exact title but basically the honcho and we that's the new title yeah i i i did the honcho the hon you know bridget and i are pretty chill i think if i was like yeah we're printing you business cards that say honcho on them i think she might actually be down i'm not 100% sure on that though so i'd She's the kind of person who you definitely get approval before you do something. But if you do the wrong thing, she'll tell you in the nicest possible way that you have royally f***ed it up. So I'll let her decide what her job title is.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Riley's badge for CES said the hon. I think it was honorable. That was amazing. I know. I'm so happy. Sherrod's was doctor. because of course it was. Anyway, the point is I had a long meeting, not long, short meeting with those folks.
Starting point is 01:03:09 And I think the socks are going to be the third, fourth, fourth entry in the Trust Me Bro, limited lifetime guarantee family. To be clear, everything on the store, we stand behind it extremely, you know, strongly. But this is one where we're looking at it going, This is going to be a very premium sock. I think people are going to have, for the price that it is, very high expectations for how long they should last. Everything is within reason.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Just like I've discussed before with how a limited lifetime warranty works, whether it's the backpack or the screwdriver or the socks or the cables or whatever else, there's going to be language in the warranty that limits it. That's what a limited lifetime warranty is. So, you know, it's not going to cover things like flagrant abuse of the process. product. And it'll have wording in there that basically gives us the right to weasel out of whatever it is we don't want to do, which is exactly sort of my point on the whole warranty thing in the first place. But what we're going to be doing through calling it that is sending a very strong
Starting point is 01:04:17 signal that this is a product that we expect to last for an extremely long time if it does not get abused and that you will be extremely happy with the value that you'll get out of it and that we are going to stand behind very strongly. I'm extremely excited. for this product. Oh, that's pretty good. Sorry. What do you look at? Check out messages,
Starting point is 01:04:34 Coms. I like it being Coms. Coms is pretty good. I don't know if we can go long term with Cox. I mean, speak for yourself. Only if you use the...
Starting point is 01:04:49 It's just a fling for me. Coms is probably better. You could just say Checo Chats. You could have The long one rather than the short one. But there's no way you didn't do that on purpose. Yeah, it was on purpose. Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:08 It's pretty good. Pretty bit of a stretch, honestly. I like it. Checkout Jads. Let's have another one here. For today, they're check out Jets. Oh, they sure are. Let's just do the one at the top.
Starting point is 01:05:24 How about that? Hey, wonderful tech bros. I know in the past it's been said that RAM slots on GPUs wasn't going to happen. But with the RAMPocalypse, here now, does that change your answer? Sell cheap GPUs with Bring Your Own RAM. No, it doesn't change the answer, unfortunately,
Starting point is 01:05:43 because the reasons that they are doing things the way they're doing them are technical reasons, not economical reasons. In order to get that memory running at the kind of speeds that they need it running at, the traces need to be
Starting point is 01:06:01 extremely short, and every time you add trace length, or you add an interface. So a pin and a spring or anything like that, you are contributing to signal loss that will ultimately result in not being able to run it as high of a speed. That's why the faster the GPU, the more important it is that we bring the memory closer and closer to it.
Starting point is 01:06:30 So you look at something like HBM, where they're bringing the memory right onto the package, versus a typical GPU where your memory dyes are laid out around the GPU and you notice they're never far away like they would literally rather
Starting point is 01:06:47 have it double-sided on the PCB especially you look at like some higher capacity cards where they'll have memory chips laid out around the GPU and you flip it over and there's memory chips all over the back excuse me it's the same reason that
Starting point is 01:07:06 that AMD requires Strix Halo to have the memory soldered to the board. So that's their Risen AI, AI Max 300 series, but whatever the actual brand, RISEAN AI Max and AI Max Plus, if I recall correctly, is the branding for it. But Framework took some flack for making the Framework Desktop with Strix Halo and having soldered memory on the board. But the cold, hard truth is the reason that that,
Starting point is 01:07:36 memory is soldered is because to feed that high performance integrated GPU, it has to be. You could put socketed dims in it, but you'd be giving up so much performance that you're basically defeating the purpose of the product in the first place. Socketed GPUs were a thing, but it just got to the point where it just wasn't worth it. It didn't make any sense. And the vast majority of the time, it was pretty cool. clear pretty much how much memory was needed for that GPU performance in the kinds of applications that it would be running. There are certainly exceptions. We're just having way more could allow you to run a way larger AI model, for instance, now today. But from a gaming standpoint,
Starting point is 01:08:28 Nvidia, AMD, Intel, they have a pretty good idea how much memory that GPU could really benefit from before you're getting into games that need way more memory, but would also just need way more GPU horsepower. I also think they have a pretty good idea of how they can push people into higher price bands through manipulating that. Absolutely. But that's a separate conversation. Not a wrong conversation.
Starting point is 01:08:51 Totally valid point. But is not the reason why we don't have socketed GPUs at this time. Was that two merch messages? Sure was. Okay. It flew by. Time flies and you're having fun. Sure did.
Starting point is 01:09:12 Do you want to pick one? Yes. I do. I do want to pick one. Sony gives up 51% of its Bravia TV business to China's TCL in a new strategic partnership. Very, very odd. This is done with the aim of leveraging Sony's high quality picture and audio technology,
Starting point is 01:09:33 which includes some class leading image processing. Sorry, I didn't wince to that statement. I winced because it's like interesting that it's going that direction then. Which includes some class leading image processing and TCLs. And then this is crossed out. Advanced display technology, global scale advantages. Oh, okay, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Industrial footprint and end cost efficiency and vertical supply chain strength. Also known as cheap manufacturing. In a joint press release, Sony said the joint venture will will operate globally, handling full process from product development to design to manufacturing, sales, logistics, customer service, everything. Sony has partnered with numerous other companies to manufacture their TVs in the past. Maybe not to this degree. I'm not necessarily sure on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:20 It is to this degree? Yeah, yeah. Okay. They gave up 51% of their business. No, no, no, no, no. But like, they have had other factories, OEM, manufactured their TVs. Sure. That's not, yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:31 What I was talking about was giving up 51% of their business. because doing that repeatedly is confusing. Sony has partnered with TCL's own China Star Opto-Latronics technology, CSOT. At least for now, the Bravia name will continue to exist, but in this new arrangement, TCL will take full control of the manufacturing process of Sony's TVs and likely their soundbar, speakers, AVRs, and turntables.
Starting point is 01:11:00 The aim is to have definitive binding agreements signed by the end of March 2026 and for the new company to commence its operations in April of 2027. Dang. Does this new surprise you? Personally, yes. Yeah, big time. Definitely. This was a major surprise to me because Sony's TV business has been in dire straits at times.
Starting point is 01:11:29 But not right now, right? But it didn't seem like it was right now. Now, admittedly, admitted. Admittedly, every time I've gone out shopping for a TV in the last little while, whether it was you asking me for a recommendation or whether it was my grandparents needing a new TV and me just like going and buying one, Sony hasn't been in my consideration at all. So Sony has been in kind of a weird place for me where they have a lot of mind share with me. I see it as a high quality product, but I'm not willing to open up my wallet to pay the premium for it.
Starting point is 01:12:09 But Sony's been in that position for the better part of my adult life. So I guess what I'm just trying to understand is what changed? Is it just even further, tighter pressure to consolidate? I think that the TV game for a long time has been raced to the play.
Starting point is 01:12:30 bottom with prices. Well, yeah. And they just probably can't compete that way anymore. I mean, you look at what we saw in that high sense factory tour where they were talking about how important it was that they had this new automated glue dispensing machine for adhering the thing to the thing that saved some percentage of glue. And I'm like, well, is it expensive glue? They're like, no. And I'm like, well, then why does it matter if you save like a few milliliters of glue? And they're like, well, because we make a lot of TVs. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Like they're, they are squeezing every penny that they can save out of these things in order to keep TVs getting bigger and prices staying similar or in many cases going down. Here's a question.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Have you found that, I'm not much of a TV guy, have you found that TV failure rates have been going up? I haven't experienced it personally. I've heard people anecdotally talk about it. Yeah, okay. But like, I don't... I can't remember the last time I heard anyone say that their TV died of, like, natural causes. Like, actually.
Starting point is 01:13:39 So that doesn't seem to be happening because I have a... My fridge at home is having a problem. And just because everything is in my place apparently right now. We had an appliance guy come in and he was basically just like, okay, yeah, I mean, I can fix this. But realistically, this thing's old enough. You should just buy a new one. To that, I was like, huh?
Starting point is 01:13:59 My parents have had two fridges that I can remember my entire life. This fridges does not seem that old. What are we talking about? And I did a bunch of research, also known as I looked up threads on Reddit. And this is like a thing now. Oh, yeah. People are like, oh, yeah, fridges last like five, ten years now. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Ten years on the high end, five on the like average. And I was like, what? Wild. It's a big box of cold. Now, there are TV longevity issues. So, for instance, ratings did that really great investigation into edge-lit TVs, finding that, especially if they were on for very extended periods of time, at high backlight power, what was happening was it was like melting and discoloring the diffusion layer behind the LCD screen. And that was like a widespread issue with budget TVs, for instance. But what I was going to point out was that you and a lot of people in your social circle are probably more middle class.
Starting point is 01:14:58 Yeah. And therefore have not the cheapest TV. That makes sense. And so it seems to me that you still can buy a quality product that lasts for a while. A lot of my friends that aren't necessarily, a lot of my friends, the two that I've been in their living room and seen what they have have, have not opted to go buy a cheap TV from the store. They've opted to get used stuff.
Starting point is 01:15:28 so they have higher quality things that might be slightly older but like... And they let someone else pay the initial depreciation cost. Which on a TV, because they're so cheap, it seems to be like you got that crazy TV. What was it, 100 bucks or something crazy for Scraphead Wars? No, it was more than that. I don't remember what it was.
Starting point is 01:15:48 But the deal was crazy, whatever it was. I think it was four, I want to say 400 Canadian dollars and it came with a free sound bar or $600 and it came with a free sound bar. Whatever it was for the quality of, TV that you got it was like fantastic totally acceptable um our skeptical world tv was 550 with a hundred dollar free sound bar but it was worth way more than that thanks bankrupts um so like the use market for tv seems pretty good i think you'd really we bought that one new though as a one oh wow which puts pressure on the used market as well when new tvs just goodness yeah yeah we bought
Starting point is 01:16:20 it from like open box warehouse but it wasn't open box i know right crazy um i was it was I was going to say was if you're going to buy a TV use check for burning. Eddie Koldrick says TCL is probably one of the very cheapest TV brands available in the UK. It's weird to see them taking on what I would consider as a luxury TV brand, especially Sony
Starting point is 01:16:41 Brovia Pro line. And this is one of those things that I think I think I've been guilty of many times in the past as well, this perception that Chinese brands or Chinese manufacturing or low-end brands can't make something better.
Starting point is 01:17:02 A lot of the time, it's that they choose to make, like, a budget crappy one. Yeah. Sometimes it's because they can't make something better. But a company like TCL, like I was blown away when I first got that one 15-inch TV like two years ago or whenever it was. And I was like, this is not only the biggest TV I've ever seen. one of the best TVs I've ever seen. I was not expecting that and it has still held it spot in
Starting point is 01:17:32 my theater room to this day in spite of heating up competition in the ultra large TV segment. Yeah, which is crazy. Kind of wild, right? Yeah. And like going back even further, remember how we used to go to CES in the early days and High Sense always had the booth right next to Intel right at the entrance of the Central Hall? Yep. And I'd be like, Like, who the fuck are these guys? Like, I know who Intel is. Every year for a while. But who the fuck is high sense?
Starting point is 01:18:02 Why does the, why does the perspective back then relax? Yeah. Like, junk TV company have this, like, massive booth. I didn't even know who they were at all the first time I saw them, because my first CES was like 17 years ago now or something like that. I literally didn't know who they were. I had to look it up. And it was like, oh, it's like a weird Chinese TV brand that literally doesn't exist in North
Starting point is 01:18:24 America at all. What are they even doing here? And now they're battling it out with TCL. Another brand that I wouldn't have heard of at all at the time for number one, number two, if I recall correctly. Is Samsung, is Samsung still up there? Top TV brands. Brands US. Is it high sense and TCL? Are you measuring it by sales? Yeah, it would be the volume of sales or like total dollars? Um, hold on. No, I don't want best. Um, yeah, top selling TV brands from Akio. Akeo statistics.
Starting point is 01:19:04 So, average star rating. Last month sales volume. High sense. TCL. Sony. That's a cheap Sony. So I guess that makes sense. Samsung LGVizio. Samsung, Samsung.
Starting point is 01:19:18 Oh, we're into. What are these stats? I don't know how. reliable this is last month sales volume no way what is this okay you know what I don't know if I'm going to be able to find this this but the point is they absolutely have a very strong presence in the US market we can say that with certainty
Starting point is 01:19:34 and I guess where I was going with this is that there's nothing about TCL's budget low end TVs and them not being very good that means that TCL doesn't have the manufacturing expertise and facilities to make a high-end TV. Yeah, for sure. And that's how a lot of these brands ultimately make their way to having a retail presence, is they're OEMing for much more recognized bigger brands, and then they eventually
Starting point is 01:20:12 kind of go, sorry, what do I need these guys for? And they start making their own stuff, and their own stuff kind of sucks, not because they don't know how to build a better one in many cases. Sometimes that, because they don't have the color science down, or they don't have the good processing chips, or whatever the case may be. And then other times, it's because they just recognize that they're going to have to lucky gold star it and start at the bottom of the quality and perception pile and work their work their way up until their manufacturing volumes get higher and their expertise
Starting point is 01:20:42 raises, and then all of a sudden they're LG. And they're like a globally dominant electronics brand. as for how I feel about buying a Sony TV at this point their things are a little bit more confusing Sony still owns 49% from my understanding so Sony is still going to be literally like very invested in Bravia TV's being really good
Starting point is 01:21:16 but would I pay extra would I pay the Bravia premium for a TCL TV with Sony's special sauce, knowing that I already wasn't willing to do it. And also, that nothing's really changed because TCL may very well have been manufacturing them before anyway. Like, the whole thing is... It's funky.
Starting point is 01:21:38 It's changing, but is it changing? Most people aren't going to know that ever happened. Oh, yeah. Yeah, 100%. I think this might be somewhat Sony throwing in the manufacturing towel. I mean, this gets talked about a lot where people would be like, oh, Apple, Apple or Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola is not a not a pop company. They're a logistics company, whatever.
Starting point is 01:22:04 TCL, I think if you're making that argument about other companies, I think you can make the argument about them being logistics and manufacturing and efficiency and stuff like that, not necessarily a TV company. So if at a certain scale, it's very true though. Totally. No, I'm not even countering that. I'm just saying that you might also, I don't know enough about TCL, but you might also be able to apply that same. logic to them. And if so, Sony might just be like, look, we just want to step back and be like a really premium technology and R&D group that can contribute that to really good TVs that these other people can pump out. And if they're getting, you know, if they own 49% of the joint venture.
Starting point is 01:22:44 That's still a big part of the pie, especially if they don't have to mess with the manufacturing side of things, the logistics and everything, they can leave that alone. Like it might be fine. I don't know if I want to be too doomer about this as someone who has never purchased a Sony TV. It doesn't necessarily matter that much to me. Yeah, Sony was always like an aspirational brand for me, even going back to like, like portable CD players and stuff. It was like, they're usually quite premium. Actually, hold on.
Starting point is 01:23:12 No, I did have a, I did have a disc man. I remember. I had a discman and Panasonic was actually the more premium brand around the time that I finally got one. I didn't get an early discman. Like I didn't get one when they were square. I got one when Sony had kind of started to have their ability to compete in the premium space eroded when they had the rounded ones. The conversation we had on WAN about rechargeable batteries reminded me that I probably needed a few more.
Starting point is 01:23:40 So I treated myself to one of those like the Eneloup kits. Nice. It comes with the charger and the adapters and stuff. It showed up. I'm pretty happy about it. I wonder which one I had. This looks a little bit too squared off to be mine, but this display looks extremely familiar.
Starting point is 01:24:01 This branding came way later. I don't think it's there anymore, but I remember when there was a Sony store in the Willowbrook Mall, I used to go through there all the time. I never own anything from Sony, but I always thought it was cool. This was absolutely directly competing
Starting point is 01:24:13 with, like, Panasonic's look at the time. These early square ones were pretty, pretty wild. Oh, I think this is the one. I think this is the one I had. Scroll down, like one row. Digital megabase. One row? Right, what you have? What do you have to do? The like orange and black one at the top of your screen? Oh yeah, this guy. I don't know if I've seen that before, but that looks awesome. Is that relatively new? Like, is that like going for like a retro vibe? Can can this not be here? I'm trying to. Oh my God, it moved. Stop. 2023
Starting point is 01:24:49 What? Wait, no vintage, vintage vintage Okay Yeah, okay It looks awesome Late 1980s That's pretty wild That's pretty cool
Starting point is 01:24:58 That's quite a vibe Going on there The kids whose parents loved them more Had Panasonic's Though With their better anti-skip It's true
Starting point is 01:25:09 Did you have a Panasonic? No My parents Love me quite a bit Then their parents Didn't love you That much I don't know about that
Starting point is 01:25:18 That sounds fishy to me. I remember there was this one kid in my class who had, like, I don't remember exactly what we had. But it was one kind of like the C-Dan's parents loved him. Yeah. Well, I'm pretty sure they didn't buy it. It's probably a repair. Nice. We never bought anything electronic ever.
Starting point is 01:25:39 It's like, oh, this is too much of two repair. We'll just fix it. I remember this kid in my grade seven class showing off his Panasonic shockwave. and basically his demo was that he would like give you his headphones and then he'd be like okay now start shaking it and you'd like you'd shake it for as long as you could before you like got tired and it would keep playing the whole time because I think it had 45 seconds of read ahead
Starting point is 01:26:04 so like you would have to like you'd have to shake it for almost a minute to get it to finally skip which was probably terrible for it like probably awful for it but a fun demo but it worked yeah it was a cool demo he didn't buy it yeah what does he care yeah i don't know how to feel about this it might be fine it might not be fine cool good chat the 51% of its bravia tv business is also interesting because as far as my understanding goes if you're a foreign company and you want to work in china you just have to do that and they said the new company will start operating oh yeah hold on a second um Definitive Biden agreements will be signed by March of 2026 for the new company to commence.
Starting point is 01:26:52 So they didn't just like sell part of their company. They made a new company. And in China, if you're going to make a new company, a Chinese company has to have a majority. They have to have at least 51%. So this is, I don't even think this was like a negotiation. They wanted to start a new company in China making TVs and they just had to partner with somebody and they partner with TCL. Well, I wish them luck with that. This is part of, do I want to talk about this?
Starting point is 01:27:20 Because I don't know enough of the facts. You might know some of it. This is part of Carney's plan as far as my understanding goes. It is 51% for the Canadian side. He's trying to do effectively the same thing they're doing when an outside foreign company wants to come to Canada and do business. Especially like natural resource extraction. Yeah. It's been a real problem.
Starting point is 01:27:44 for Canada for a long time that we have foreign entities coming in, setting up shop, doing a bunch of mineral and natural resource extraction, and then funneling the profits outside of Canada where there's no contribution to Canadian taxes. Historically been extremely permitted by Canadian leadership to the point where there's like almost certainly backroom deals happening. But yeah, this is discussion about. car companies coming in from from china to Canada potentially setting up manufacturing and whatnot
Starting point is 01:28:20 and a Canadian company would need to have a majority ownership it's it's and that's that's not a you know amazing new playbook idea that's just hey China did that it worked really well for them let's do the same thing so yeah I mean I see nothing wrong with learning from our geopolitical rivals hardly rivals yeah yeah from the big dogs I mean Listen, every Pokemon game you meet your rival. I know I'm going to crush him. Still a rival. Fair enough.
Starting point is 01:28:58 All right. Hey, what do you want to talk about next? How about Tesla's Robotaxi service actually goes full Robo for the first time in Austin? Since launching in the summer of this year, Tesla's Robotaxis have come with a safety monitor in the car who can hit a kill switch in the event of an emergency. But now they've started offering unsupervised trips in Austin, Texas. Nice. They apparently plan to phase out these safety monitors and move to a fully autonomous fleet over time. I mean, yes, that has been the plan for, that's been coming in two years for quite some time now. It's coming in two years. Is it? Yep. There have been approximately
Starting point is 01:29:35 eight crashes in the five months since the service launched, despite the safety monitors, which depending on how you interpret that number is either really great or really not as great. I remember reading about some college student who created an app that pings their service constantly from a bunch of different locations to find out how many robotaxies they actually have deployed. And it turns out it's not very many, which was pretty interesting. Good job. Anyway, the cyber taxi program still has a wait list for new riders, but the company is pushing to open in more cities soon. Um There's a full plane
Starting point is 01:30:15 I'm asking for a source But there's a full plane chatter that said this is not true And supervisory Safety monitors are in following cars That's hilarious I don't have like a source for this or anything yet though At what point do you think it would be easier For Tesla to just
Starting point is 01:30:32 Do the things they say they're going to do Instead of pretend to do the things they say they're going to do Impossible I'm just wondering Impossible I'm just wondering. It would be too uncharacteristic. Like would it be easier for them to actually make a useful humanoid robot?
Starting point is 01:30:49 I can change him energy. I mean, for a trillionaire, it's worth at least trying, Luke. Yeah, this is a futurism.com article. It says there's reportedly a car secretly following every Tesla. So this is not like, I don't know if this is real or not. and it says when Elon Musk said there would no longer be a safety monitor in the car he didn't mention the other car I don't know this doesn't necessarily mean anything Maybe it's true maybe it's when the whole thing basically doesn't necessarily mean anything It's been pretty clear that this rollout has been a desperate attempt to prove that they're actually definitely for real definitely actually gonna do self-driving this time
Starting point is 01:31:38 Meanwhile of which are we transition to the same topic yeah go for it Tesla autopilot comes to an end in North America. Tesla has quietly removed autopilot from all vehicle purchases based on what Elon has shared in the U.S. and Canada, replacing it with traffic-aware cruise control or tack TACC as the default driver assist feature. The change follows Tesla's recent announcement that full self-driving supervised is moving to a subscription first model. Existing owners won't lose autopilot, but new buyers now have. have to pay for FSD or full self-driving if they want features like lane steering. Oh boy. Tesla is offering a longer 90-day FSD trial, but after that it's 99 bucks a month or a
Starting point is 01:32:28 one-time purchase is available until February 14th of $11,000 Canadian dollars or $8,000 U.S. dollars. Autopilot has been a core part of Tesla's value proposition and removing it means even basic lane keeping is now payroll really something many cheaper cars include by default yoakes is there going to be comma a i kits for teslas that's a thing oh really that's that's a thing yes really this is pretty wild to me because a huge part of the the tesla package from my understanding has been the the advanced software and it seems like this this push to me Making it all a subscription is either.
Starting point is 01:33:17 Oh my God, it is. It either means that they're actually ready this time, and it's actually working, and they're finally like, yee, we can actually charge money for this, because it's not just alpha-level software running on beta-level hardware. I shouldn't say beta-level hardware, but it's not working as advertised. They've been making claims about full self-driving for many, many years. years with respect to the capabilities and the timeline that have simply not turned out to be true. That we can all agree on. So either secretly, they're like really ready this time and
Starting point is 01:33:55 they're like, yeah, we can charge for it now. Or this is a desperate attempt to phomo people into buying a bunch of full self-driving right now so that they can juice the numbers for their next investor call and talk about how much people love full self-driving and how much they just bought of it. I can't I can't tell if if every move in this chess game is just a way of staving off the ultimate crash of this stock for another quarter or if it's something else. Can't tell. Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's, it's interesting because they, I mean, they've got something. Like I sat in a car with somebody who was driving a Tesla and driving is like in enormous air quotes because their legs were crossed in their seat and they were like clearly on their phone and showing me the how they know the limits of when autopilot will get them to like pay attention again and how they like play within the limit so they just never have to do anything. And it drove them all the way from where we were to the next location.
Starting point is 01:35:14 no intervention whatsoever. Yes. Yeah. I don't want it to come back to that person. But there was other stuff going on as well. Like it was honestly quite impressive. But then that's still not technically the advertised full self-driving. But the thing that gets me is the removing of even things like lane keeping.
Starting point is 01:35:42 Like that's crazy because clearly they have something. Like that was that was quite an. impressive experience, to be honest. But to just rip it away, it's like, yikes, man. To be clear, everyone who has autopilot, which is advanced cruise control with lane keep, not without it, everyone who has it in their existing vehicle already will still have it. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. So they're not taking it away from anyone who does have it.
Starting point is 01:36:13 They're just not providing it as an included option on vehicles. on new rewards. So you'll have to pay a subscription to unlock it. Okay. Just like you've had to pay to unlock the heated rear seats in the past, for instance. Yeah, I mean, that still kind of sucks then, but that's not as bad as I thought. I misinterpreted this. I thought they were taking it away.
Starting point is 01:36:31 And I was like, what? Like, if that was my experience, which, you know, maybe you shouldn't do that. But if that was my experience, I'd be kind of pissed going back to like a fully manual car. No, definitely not. Okay. Cool, cool, cool. Uh, more Elon news. Ugh.
Starting point is 01:36:49 Yeah, let's do that instead. Let's do that. That sounds like a better idea. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Floatplane announcement. This week on float plane, do you want to bring it up? Sure. Is all about what Linus does when he's not in Linus YouTuber mode.
Starting point is 01:37:05 Oh, okay. Interesting. The Tonight Show, behind-the-scenes vlog, is finally out showcasing what happened during the event, including the parts where the laptop did in fact work, and a quick meeting with Jimmy Fallon himself. Yeah, Luke got to meet him too this time, which is cool. He didn't chat with us for as long this time as he did the first time. It was pretty short, but he's a busy man. I'm trying to find the laptop opening.
Starting point is 01:37:34 You'll find it. We didn't end up capturing how frustrated I was right after the segment, but you did get to see how depressed the room felt. so that's something oh yeah he must have been filming in there I talked to Sammy about it and he was like yeah I was I've never actually seen you like really upset before
Starting point is 01:37:54 and I was like scared to film you and I was like Sammy you still have it well I didn't say that I was like Sammy even if I say don't the right thing to do is to film me
Starting point is 01:38:11 because Because later... You can always... I can always tell you later when I'm like not upset anymore, let's not do that. Let's not upload it. But we can never recapture a moment.
Starting point is 01:38:25 And the example I gave him was when Wannock server suffered that enormous data loss incident. And I was like, actually like, I think I snapped at. I think it was Taryn Van Hemer. Like, put away the camera. Like, like, was like, not okay in that moment. And he basically was like, I disagree.
Starting point is 01:38:45 This is very important in that way that he sometimes did. Which I didn't have time to argue with him about. And ultimately, I came to him afterward and I was like, you were right. You were right to capture this moment because this was really great, very real content that I wasn't in the mood for making at the time. but I'm very grateful that we have captured now that I can look back on it after the fact and so I basically told Sammy that story about how like even if I tell you no
Starting point is 01:39:19 the better thing to do is capture it we can always not use it we can always even delete it if anything I would take it a sign to maybe be less intrusive with the filming but keep filming yeah yeah definitely anyway what else was I going to say we also had Sammy follow me around during my day at CES to see what it looks like
Starting point is 01:39:41 when I don't have 12 shoots at the show floor. This ranged from troubleshooting an inconsequential laptop all the way to some behind the scenes of us at the robot fight event. Also, funny moment at 1919 to 1929. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:39:58 1919. Oh, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Okay, audio. Dan, do we have audio? No. No. not going to yak your yam, but
Starting point is 01:40:14 I'm going to show my dad what your father figure looks like, man. That's a fire quote. Oh, my God. Wow, that's a huge yikes. If you prefer Riley, though, Riley and Bjorn sat down to talk about the behind the scenes and some
Starting point is 01:40:43 insight on how to make their fun creative sponsor spots. I saw that. I'm excited to, I haven't watched it, but I saw the thumbnail. I'm excited to watch that. Stay tuned because next week we have a float plane exclusive product, not clothing. That is very cool that's launching. LmG.g.g.g slash FPWAN. Go check it out. Do you know about this? My brain just went to like cables? Nope. Okay. Oh, I love that you don't know about this. This is going to be so much fun. It's going to be a great surprise. I can't speculate, though. I'm not going to tell you nothing nothing. Stone cold poker face. Um, how do I...
Starting point is 01:41:25 Okay. I can't. No, I can't! Yeah, I'm going to try again. I'm going to try again. Okay, you can't put it on me, Dan. You can't put the camera on me. I saw you do that. Yeah, you absolutely can. No, you can't. Okay. He's going to do it again. I'm actually really surprised you can't do this. Are you, are you, are you throwing for content? What? No, why would I do that? Because it's so easy. Fine, you do it.
Starting point is 01:41:53 You're so smiling. Stoic, when. Zoom in on him. Here. I saw them! I saw Twitch! I didn't laugh at you though. That's not fair. I did not laugh at you. I got, I got it. I had a more difficult version. Sure.
Starting point is 01:42:21 It's actually a really great trick for photographing kids When you have a bunch of kids and like they won't smile or whatever else And you just try it for the love of God Can we just be serious? Yeah Okay everybody everybody make the most serious face Nope I'm telling you you've got to be completely serious right now
Starting point is 01:42:44 That's not that's not serious enough hey I'm warning you They'll all crack up I guarantee it every time Super cool hack I remember I was probably a teenager, so I still had young siblings, and a photographer pulled that move on us for like our family portrait that year or whatever. And I was like, I'm going to file that away because that's going to be useful. I don't know why this made me think of this, but I saw somebody recently who fed, you know, pills to their dog. And they did so by accidentally dropping like a piece of meat off their plate. But it was the, like, it had the pill in it.
Starting point is 01:43:20 I don't know. Maybe it wasn't a piece of meat. but like something off their But their dog is like super fast About getting it Yeah It's actually pretty smart That's really smart
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Starting point is 01:45:32 What do I want to talk about? Ubisoft. Ubisoft. Do you really want to talk about Ubisoft? No, to be honest, but I think we should. Okay. After announcing a sweeping company restructure that includes the closure of two studios. Yikes.
Starting point is 01:45:49 The delay of seven titles And the cancellation of six more Yikes Including the Prince of Persia Sands of Time remake No That was I was I love Prince of Persia Sands of Time
Starting point is 01:46:02 You looking forward to that one? I mean I wouldn't have given Ubisoft money For a remake of it but whatever Ubisoft's lowered its financial year expectations By 330 million pounds Euro Euros Now, it's singular.
Starting point is 01:46:20 Fun fact. Really? Yep. Why did they do that? I don't know. Because they're euro. Now a 1.5 billion euro. With an operating loss of around 1 billion euro, shares dropped 34% in value on Thursday in approximate 95% loss from five years ago and the lowest point in 14 years.
Starting point is 01:46:44 How do you get to keep your job as CEO at that point? Well, you're the family that owns the company, I think. Oh, right. So, oh, the same reason I've kept my job. It's pretty good. You're not the CEO anymore, though. That's true. That's, uh, wow, that's a, wow.
Starting point is 01:47:05 Huh, how about that? That decline doesn't exactly look like it's stopping either. Well, I mean, that's the thing about, you know, stocks is they can, you know, they can stonks or they can stonks. They can kind of. They can upside down stonks. Yeah. Discussion question. Ubisoft CEO Eve Guillemont is calling you right now and says, I'll do anything you say to save this company. Please help me. What do you tell him to do? He could try. Oh, man. What would I do to save Ubisoft at this point? I got to say, I don't know necessarily enough about their problems. Like obviously they have the problems with the product that they're delivering. But I don't know. enough about their product, I don't know enough about their problems internally because you can,
Starting point is 01:47:55 you can have like a super toxic company that's hyper dysfunctional behind the scenes, but manages to turn out good product, even for like a very long time with that dysfunction. And you can have a company that is very harmonious behind the scene, behind the scenes, but has bad luck and is not ultimately successful. Obviously, there would be a correlation between companies that are operating harmoniously and are executing and are making money and succeeding, but it's not a guarantee. So I just don't know enough about how, I don't know enough about what's wrong with them. Like, obviously, I'm playing Expedition 33 right now. And it seems like the kind of game that Ubisoft could have made.
Starting point is 01:48:42 Yeah, it really does externally. like so much like where are those where those guys from anyway 33? Yeah they're from France yes I know From France Hold on team
Starting point is 01:48:57 But where's the Oh no way No way Okay Wikipedia The ideas behind Expedition 33 Originated in 2019 With Guillaume Brosh An employee of Ubisoft
Starting point is 01:49:12 Not long before the COVID the 19 pandemic began. I can't just keep taking all these Ws from my videos that no one cares about on float plane. My little series on gaming things, have you watched any of them? My whole point is that way back in the day with Atari and stuff, like Atari's slow death was the thing that spawned companies like Activision.
Starting point is 01:49:35 And my whole argument is we're going through that again right now. Yeah. And this is my example as to why, is these types of things keep happening. This is an offshoot from Ubisoft. In Bark Studios, the guys that made Arc Raiders, another game of the year, but for multiplayer winner this year is an offshoot from Dice. Right.
Starting point is 01:49:56 Like all these companies that are releasing, like, he's like, new feeling companies that are releasing amazing games are very often people leaving these giant, no longer properly functioning companies of effectively the past now. Right. and making new, uh, uh, super successful often.
Starting point is 01:50:17 Basically what happened with zip tie tuning. Oh. Oh my. Oh my. Are you the activation of YouTube? In relative years, it might make sense.
Starting point is 01:50:32 I think I'm still doing all right. Get owned. Uh, we've got a fun collab coming with them, by the way. I'm very excited. I shot it Monday. Oh, that's cool.
Starting point is 01:50:40 Yeah. That's sweet. Yeah, we, uh, that's exciting. I think, I think this is, I think, I think it's going to be a very exciting future. You know what? I won't say more than that. It's going to be an exciting future. Yeah, I mean, I could talk for way too long about all the things that I think Ubisoft could do to
Starting point is 01:50:58 fix themselves. I have lots of opinions on this. I don't know if it makes sense to talk for an incredibly long time on that topic. But I think, I mean, some of it feels like really obvious to me. Like we can start with skull and bones. It was like clearly an obvious massive failure when, everyone on the fucking planet told you exactly what to do and you were like, no. Like maybe just listen to people.
Starting point is 01:51:22 Maybe you should have just made another like and I think they're remastering it as well. Do that. Assassin's Creed 4 was one of the best things you ever made. Remaster it, sure. But also make another one. Make a single player
Starting point is 01:51:35 Pirates game that is awesome. No one cared about the Assassin's Creed portion of Assassin's Creed 4. All they cared about. about was the boats. Make a single player boat combat game. It was sick. Just do it again.
Starting point is 01:51:51 Oh my God. Your obviously best Assassin's Creed games were two and then the Brotherhood and Ascension. I think I got the names right. Go back to Etsio. Make a like return of Etsio. It's been, I think, over a decade. I think it would be okay.
Starting point is 01:52:10 I'm sure you can find a way to slot another story in. in his like some age gap he got he got a pretty old if i remember correctly between brotherhood and ascension find some stories in the middle there it's probably fine you can do it again there's there's like a version of this for every single franchise you're telling me you can't make a far cry game based around what's happening in america right now are you kidding me far cry was always the like political tension game you think there's political tension right now in the states like find a way there's a way for all of these these things. It feels so obvious.
Starting point is 01:52:46 Have they made any like Rayman games recently? I'm not sure. They did some weird collab with Mario like forever ago. Rayman. They did already one of the Farquers was said in America. That's not current year problems. I mean,
Starting point is 01:53:03 a lot of America's current year problems are not exactly new. It's mostly fair. There was some. There was a little bit. It was a little bit, yeah. I kind of like that one. I still have one of the figurines from me. Oh yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:53:18 Mario plus Rabbids Spark of Hope. It doesn't even have Rayman in the name of the game. Rabbids, just rabbits. Oh, whoa. Seriously? Yeah. They haven't done like a mainline Rayman game in freaking forever. Who cares about Rabbids?
Starting point is 01:53:41 I don't know. That's crazy. Splinter Cell seems like a huge dropped ball, lots of potential there Well are I missing something here? Yeah, Rayman Legends Apparently was the last one, 2013? Whoa! I'm looking at like some of their franchises right now
Starting point is 01:54:11 And it's just, there's like so much potential And it just feels like they've like wet noodleed every one of them Like Far Cry, when Far Cry was like banged in with like Far Cry 3, Far Cry 4 around that area. They were very topical. Right. Very topical. And they've just ditched that.
Starting point is 01:54:32 What are there other other IPs? I was kind of curious. The new ANO doesn't seem like it's reviewing super well. I do wonder if that has like an expansion fatigue problem where the previous... It's got AI and things. A lot of the like, I don't know if they've fixed this yet. but it came under fire a lot because all of the like loading screens
Starting point is 01:54:52 and stuff like that, the painted backgrounds seemed to mostly just be AI generated. Damn. It might have changed, you know, but a little disappointing. It feels like a classic Ubisoft decision though, so it's just like, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:55:12 So here's some Ubisoft IPs. Man, a lot of these have, weakened a lot. All of them, I think. I'm pretty sure every single one. Anno was strong until the very most recent release. Anno 1800 was an absolute bang. The one in the photo was wicked.
Starting point is 01:55:33 Man, beyond good and evil has been, I don't know if that's been relevant for a really long time. If I was, I understand this is like literally not the point. If I was running the steep project, I would probably do like, I don't know what you would call it, like a remix version. where you go back to like SSX tricky style gameplay and release one of those.
Starting point is 01:55:54 Remember when they released that far cry that was like... Blood Dragon. Yes. I would do like a blood dragon for Steep and make it more like the like old snowboarding games like 1080 and SSX tricky and release a version of that if for no other reason
Starting point is 01:56:10 to like just get people talking about your studio in a potentially positive way. Like there's answers all over the place. They have so many legendary IP under Ubisoft and it just feels like every time they just have to piss them away and it makes me want to scream. The skull and bones thing
Starting point is 01:56:27 was such an insane disappointment. It was such an auto win that they just spent incredible amounts of money on making sure it would fail horrendously. It's so frustrating. Okay, we're good. Do you want to talk about Bethesda now?
Starting point is 01:56:42 You seem like you're on it. I don't know. Maybe we could talk about the decline of Blizzard. Oh, am I like, oh, no! All right. Oh, you're not serious. Okay, I thought there was a Bethesda topic, and I was like, I'm gonna, my vein's gonna pop out of my head. No, no.
Starting point is 01:57:02 All right. Test six is actually set in the Starfield universe. Oh, no, my mic was unmuted. I was supposed to tell you. You get to the end of the. game and you have to just delete your entire save and start over again because for some reason that was a good idea it takes you into starfield and then you have to play that nice nice and then it's a prequel it's a prequel yeah good good good good hey that hey the worst mechanic in the entire game
Starting point is 01:57:34 let's make them do that again let's let's let's do that another time the Microsoft CEO acknowledges that they will lose social permission to waste electricity on AI unless they do something useful with it. Wait, what? In a surprising moment of self-awareness, Microsoft CEO Sachin Adela admitted at the World Economic Forum that
Starting point is 01:57:59 AI risks, and this is a direct quote, becoming a speculative bubble, unless its use spreads beyond big tech companies and wealthy economies. He also said that AI companies will quickly lose the social permission to take something like energy
Starting point is 01:58:15 unless it's used for improving health outcomes, education outcomes, public sector efficiency, private sector competitiveness, across all sectors, small and large. More quotes, for this to not be a bubble. It requires that the benefits of this are much more evenly spread. And he also said that the telltale sign, that AI, is a bubble would be that only tech companies were benefiting. So it turns out they do.
Starting point is 01:58:47 hire really smart people to be CEOs of tech companies. They just never say the quiet part out loud, except when they do. Except for this time. Man, Davos and the World Economic Forum this year were just had some... Absolute fire. Some banger. Absolutely. Who needs the real housewives of Beverly Hills when we have Davos in the World Economic Forum?
Starting point is 01:59:10 What a wild couple events. I mean, I guess that's what happens when you hire a reality star to be the... head of the world's largest economy. You end up with reality TV in your politics. It is, I mean, the ratings are high. Everyone's watching. They have the best ratings. My friends
Starting point is 01:59:31 called me, they said, you've never seen ratings like this. They haven't. He's right. Way to go. All right, so this comes after Microsoft reaffirmed investments of tens of billions of dollars into building AI data centers, and after Nadella asked the public,
Starting point is 01:59:50 to stop calling AI slop slop, to which the public responded by changing Microsoft branding on things to microslop. Because, of course, that was going to happen. It's so easy now that they can just do it with AI. Ah, yes, yes, yes. Anyone can meme on Microsoft now. Our discussion question is, should big investors into AI be sweating?
Starting point is 02:00:15 Yeah. Unless you think you can time your exit really, really well. I mean. I think we talked about this on Wancho before, and I've heard this argument elsewhere as well. But like, I don't think a lot of like the Googles of the world, whatever, man. They have so much revenue flowing in. They're going to be fine. The Microsofts of the world, they're going to be fine.
Starting point is 02:00:42 Oh, yeah. Because they have real revenue. Do we have an open-a-eye ad thing? in here. An opening I ad? So opening I is talking about putting ads into their like free tier and stuff. But there's a, for chat GPT.
Starting point is 02:00:55 There's a quote. There's a quote from Sam Altman talking about how putting ads into the service would be like a last financial resort. And that quote was like not that long ago. And now they're adding ads into the service. And the discussion around this is, is a little bit nuanced. some people are going like, okay, well, he said last financial resorts, so are they failing?
Starting point is 02:01:23 Like, is this, is this the beginning of the end? Here's a source from PCgamer dot. Whoa! What site am I on again? Which one? Just in case you, I didn't know. Yeah. Once called it a last resort, but chat GPT is about to get stuffed with ads.
Starting point is 02:01:37 Yeah, but the counter, oh, sorry, oh my God. Yeah, it's a pretty good one. Oh, because Sam Holtman is such an ethical person. Yeah, always. Always. Never otherwise. Even if they don't sell the date of the companies, they can still target you to all hell.
Starting point is 02:01:57 So just be ready for that. But there is a counter argument that while it might actually genuinely be a last resort, it doesn't mean that they're necessarily failing. If you look at, I mean, they might have been. But this move might literally be. significant enough that it actually solves their problems because there is just so much freaking money in ads. And like if you look at, this is a direct argument from Doug Doug, I believe, which was basically like if you look at, if you look at Facebook and Google, clearly ads be banging.
Starting point is 02:02:36 So like this might actually be enough to just bring them all the way up. It'll be interesting to observe because I really wonder how they're going to implement it because and will this open the door for all the other ones to do the same. Absolutely. As soon as I mean, this is why I always go off about Apple doing something that's anti-consumer because the second Apple does it, it gives everybody else permission to do it. It's not because I will even necessarily use the Apple product. it's just because everyone else blindly follows once something becomes a norm because there's another dollar to be made by not including a cable or a charger or whatever it else is in the box.
Starting point is 02:03:19 So if the household name LLM service does this, then everybody else is, it's easy. And they don't have to tank the reputational hit because opening eye will just do it. Somebody else did it first. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Our next discussion question is, haven't these companies? already lost their social permission to burn energy?
Starting point is 02:03:41 No. No, I mean, that's the thing. So this was written by David, who I think is a very, he's a very dialed in person. He knows stuff about a lot of stuff, and he's got a high awareness level, you know, like high awareness intelligence. You might say AI. Sorry, David. I would never say something that rude about you without it being a joke, clearly a joke.
Starting point is 02:04:08 But anyway, like David has a high level of awareness. And I think that, I think that often we, and I'm talking to you guys too right now. That's right, you. I'm talking to you. Whoa. You guys. Very serious. We live in our bubble.
Starting point is 02:04:27 We hang out. A lot of you probably work in the tech industry. A lot of you probably gravitate towards people in your lives who, who keep up with and are interested in talking to you about the tech industry. You're watching how long have we been, how long have we been live? You are, you're two and a half hours into a podcast that is at least loosely.
Starting point is 02:04:51 I was going to say loosely. Like, maintains a facade. Yeah, there you go. Being about technology, right? And so I feel like we end up with this inherent, I don't know if I would quite call it an echo chamber, because I would like to think that we are open to new ideas,
Starting point is 02:05:10 but it's definitely a self-reinforcing perception that the things that we're knowledgeable about are the same things that everyone around us is knowledgeable about and more importantly cares about. But no, like my sister-in-law doesn't know how much power chat GPT is using. She doesn't even know. It wouldn't even occur to her to ask.
Starting point is 02:05:37 I think there's a lot of people that are just going to be like, you know what, I am invested in the stock market in general. My pension is invested in the stock market in general. I want these companies to do whatever they're going to do to make money. And I think a lot of people aren't going to say that out loud. And that's even a tier of awareness above. Yeah. Like what we're talking about here, where we care about the technical details of which, invidia accelerators and how much V-RAM they have on them and what impact that has on the supply of
Starting point is 02:06:12 silicon wafers that's going to Micron or S.K. Heinex for the production of consumer memory and how that's affecting the pricing of the steam machine. Like, that's the kind of stuff that we're talking about on this show with the assumption that you guys are all kind of sitting there going, yeah, yeah, uh-huh, I have all the contacts to kind of follow along with this. Um, but there's other people who are like way more interested in nutritional supplements or in the in in in in in maxing the performance of their truck or whatever else it is that they do and they're passionate about and they care about i'm not saying that these are not aware people i'm just saying they might have a lower level of awareness particular topic yeah about this particular topic i don't know what's going on and
Starting point is 02:06:54 probably whatever they do be neither i couldn't i couldn't tell you who makes the best drill right now I don't know. Milwaukee? Makita? Macita? DeWalt? I'm on the team of the... Probably not Ryobi.
Starting point is 02:07:12 Company that I have the battery compatibility with. Yeah, exactly, right? To the project farm! Yeah, yeah, to be honest. Exactly, right? So I'm... So none of this really surprises me that... none of this surprises me that no people haven't gotten fed up with what AI companies are doing unless
Starting point is 02:07:36 these companies are operating in their backyard and and emitting a bunch of toxic gas and smoke into the air that's like drifting over their over their house or whatever um and no it doesn't surprise me either that david probably lives in enough of a not techn knowledgeable bubble that to him it was like obvious that this is bad and to a lot of you guys like a lot of your your your adamant opposition to AI is based on understanding exactly what's going on right now and being kind of powerless to stop it I mean we talked about this in the in the bright side of tech video where it's like yeah you're you're a hundred like we got the I got the messaging wrong when I talked about it live on the WAN show where I was like we need a perspective
Starting point is 02:08:27 adjustment. A lot of people bristled at that wording. And so we, we avoided that wording when we did the bright side of tech video. But it was, thank you for beta testing our video. I know, right. It was, but it was the same, it was the same point. The point was that you're 100% right to be mad. 100%. Um, you're 100% right to feel powerless and frustrated. 100%. But just, okay, can we direct it to the right place? places. That's all. Can we just, can we point it in the right direction? Um, was kind of what I was trying to, what I was trying to get across. And, and, and, and directing it at this, at this, at this, at this all in bet for the next, the next 5G, the next IOT, the next big tech trend that will make the stock, go, go, go, go hockey stick higher.
Starting point is 02:09:26 at the expense of, you know, anything else getting better for the average consumer. Yeah, definitely be mad about that. But, you know, maybe not everything. I don't think we have the energy to be angry about everything. I don't. It's also just like really bad for you. Well, yeah. Objectively.
Starting point is 02:09:51 This is, this is based and true. Yeah. pick your battles and avoid the ones you don't have yeah Andre B says the bright side of tech video was a somewhat surprising video really appreciated it yeah I I wasn't sure how it was going to go it was one of those ones that we talked about a lot in the writer's room and we kind of we knew that we were doing something a little bit risky it's a lot easier to go I am a consumer advocate I am that was on paper mad on your behalf
Starting point is 02:10:26 Um, that is effective. It's not effective. It doesn't do anything. It can be. It can be if it's done in a way that is effective. But I haven't, I haven't seen it with respect to anything around, um, what's going on with AI right now. Like being mad about Micron shuddering the crucial brand is not going to change that decision. I think the biggest impact we've seen actually is in gaming with a few companies coming out and saying that they'll limit their usage of it or whatever. Yeah. Which is interesting.
Starting point is 02:11:02 Also, I don't know how much, I don't know if I believe it's going to last, man. And I also have heard that that is causing some issues within a couple studios, not one. I've heard more than one, where some of the workers are actually really frustrated. By not being able to use it. Yeah. That doesn't surprise me at all. because there was certain cases where the higher-ups didn't even know to what degree it was being used and then made statements being like, whatever, dude.
Starting point is 02:11:34 I found out about an AI tool that we were using yesterday in a meeting with an external company. I had no idea. So apparently, you know the safety pass on our videos where we check for exposed email addresses, Oh, yeah. IP addresses, physical addresses, phone numbers. Are you doing an automated run of that as well? Apparently, there's an automated run of that before a human goes in and checks it. Yeah, so you do the classic.
Starting point is 02:12:03 You don't actually remove the human step, but you add in that one to help make easier. We've tuned it to be extremely sensitive. So out of 20 positives, probably only two of them will be real. Sure. But then when the human check happens, I can just verify those things. But I literally didn't even know we were doing that. and a member of our, a member of our team, James, was telling this other entity that we were chatting with and sort of sharing, exchanging trade secrets, basically, learning from each other. He was like, yeah, and like the best thing about it is that for a 20-minute video, it doesn't take 20 minutes to watch it.
Starting point is 02:12:40 It can do it in like a few seconds, and then you can just be surgical about what you're then reviewing as a human. And it's like, it doesn't surprise me at all then that the leadership at these companies literally just had no idea what the employees were doing. Because at the end of the day, as long as the work output quality is high, the way we're going, it's just going to be another tool, whether you like it or not. Yeah, and for a lot of people, it already is. And for a lot of people, it has been for a long time as well. Like, there's nothing you could do as, you know, let's say Larian. there's nothing that you could do as Larian to prevent your concept artists from generating a bunch of AI slop on their computer at home, and then being inspired the next day when they come into the office.
Starting point is 02:13:29 You literally can't. You can't actually technically control it. You can set like a tone for your company. You can try to set like a general expectation. And then people would have to work around that and be sneaky. and dodgy about it, which will significantly reduce it, potentially to zero, but you can't actually guarantee that it will be at zero. The cats out of the bag. This is the same argument I've made in the past about like the AI regulation stuff is like, I don't know what you can
Starting point is 02:14:01 do at this point. And I'm a very open to ideas, to be clear. I'm not saying don't do anything, but like the models have already been trained and then open sourced. They're out there. There's no You can't turn this off. There's no turning the faucet to close. It's out there. People are running this in home labs. You cannot take it fully away anymore. And in fairness, a lot of the ideas are really good.
Starting point is 02:14:27 Like, look at this tiger polar bear. Doh. Can you imagine? Can you imagine Star Wars with creature design of this caliber? That is what AI is. It's just so sad, man. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Pawn Crackers goes, oh no, not again.
Starting point is 02:14:50 It's so sad for so many reasons. Because that obviously just in and of itself is depressing. But then just seeing what has happened to Star Wars and then seeing that that is a genuinely like praised idea coming out of that camp just is so sad. That's not even the worst one. This is the worst one. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:15:08 This is by far the worst one. Yeah. They're all so bad, though. He even looks sad. If you scroll down, like, he actually just looks sad. He does. He's like, why did this happen to me? Oh, I hate being alive.
Starting point is 02:15:29 This one is upset that he has to wear that costume. It sounds like, why did they put weird dots on me? Why would they ever show this? Just show, don't show it to no one. Show it to no one and talk about it, not at all. That would be the solution. Pat them on their head and tell them to run. off to their cubicle again and go do more productive things.
Starting point is 02:15:50 RIP Star Wars. Speaking of open sourcing algorithms, Elon Musk has been talking about open sourcing the recommendation algorithm behind X since before he bought Twitter and attempted to rebranded X. Earlier this week, news broke that it was finally happening, but the story evolved rapidly with the target date shifting from next week to March 31st. No. There is an existing GitHuble.
Starting point is 02:16:13 Hub repository purporting to be the code behind the algorithm, but most of the code is from before X was X with the latest changes coming back in September of 2025. I wonder if, when they open source it, if they ever do, will be able to find the part where his tweet is always at the very
Starting point is 02:16:29 top of my feed, regardless of whether I follow him or not. Yeah. Probably not, probably not. Probably not. Google begins rolling out personal intelligence beta for AI Pro and AI Ultrisobes. subscribers. Gemini with personal intelligence hopes to combine the data from across many different
Starting point is 02:16:47 Google products, Gmail, YouTube photos, drives, search calendar, etc., to provide highly personalized answers. Google's pitch as to why you don't have to worry about privacy is literally, and because this data already lives at Google securely, you don't have to send sensitive data elsewhere to start personalizing your experience. Which, love it. I have to insert, is just true. They already have it all anyways. They're not, like it's, maybe this is a quiet. part out loud thing, but like I read that and I was like, yeah. They also promised that Gemini doesn't train directly on your Gmail inbox or Google Photos library, but they will train on prompts and responses within Gemini, okay?
Starting point is 02:17:25 And I think a key word there is directly. For example, when prompted, Gemini will tell you where it pulled the information from so you can verify it and you can correct it on the spot, i.e., I don't like golf, or I just drop my son off there for work. It will also filter out or obfuscate what it deems to be personal data. I don't look with that. Yeah, sure. It definitely will definitely do that. Also, AIs have no history of gas lighting.
Starting point is 02:17:47 You're telling you things that are false ever. They definitely would never do that. This is not a problem. I'm kind of tempted to try it just to see if, like, it does anything useful at all. But I also just feel like it's going to end up being a waste of time. It'll probably set an alarm for you. Just one. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:04 The fact that, like, set timer and set alarm are not just, like, running locally on my device. And I have to wait around for the cloud delay is nuts in 2026. I didn't have networking on my phone and I tried to send an alarm and it just sat there spinning and I realized why and I was like oh my God I want to smash this thing it would be so simple to process that locally
Starting point is 02:18:26 but no but no okay our next topic gigs in space and the first note for this from Mr. Jordan block is sorry I've been re-watching old Muppet's shows that's kind of based. Really good.
Starting point is 02:18:44 I forget how old I was, but I was an adult. I didn't watch The Muppets as a kid because it was a little before my time. But I did watch the Muppets show. It's so good. It's like so funny and subversive. And I am old enough that I at least know
Starting point is 02:19:01 who a lot of the people they're making references to are. Yeah, I don't know that younger people would enjoy it. I think like mid to elder millennial is probably about as young as you'd want to be, but it's really good.
Starting point is 02:19:20 Yeah. And the reboot movies were good to, at least the first one or two were. On Wednesday this week, Blue Origin, the Bezos founded Space Technology Company
Starting point is 02:19:29 announced their upcoming TerraWave, a network of more than 5,000 satellites in low Earth orbit that they say will deliver symmetrical speeds of up to 6 terabit per second anywhere on the globe.
Starting point is 02:19:39 I'll believe that when I see it. The new network is expected to serve up to 100,000 customers globally and will offer both RF, 144 gigabit per second, and optical 6 terabit per second connectivity options. Current low-earth orbit constellations are serving millions of customers with asymmetric speeds up to 1 gigabit per second download and 400 megabit per second upload, with the main one being, of course, Starlink.
Starting point is 02:20:05 There is another one, what is it called? Galileo Galileo How many satellites But I think Starlink is like way ahead Of the others AI overview says
Starting point is 02:20:24 As of late 25 The Galileo Figaro? What? Is this a reference to Yeah I heard of it
Starting point is 02:20:38 I got Duped By a float plane Kerbal space program mod that was a good one chat I like that that's good
Starting point is 02:20:48 dang you got I haven't had egg on my face for a while taste good yeah apparently there's really not a lot of Galileo satellites up there yet
Starting point is 02:21:02 no Galileo is also people are saying Galileo is GPS equivalent well hold on a second what does hold on hold on I'm going to figure this out
Starting point is 02:21:17 I mean, it's definitely, it's definitely a thing. Leo satellite, go-go-Galileo, broadband connectivity for every airframe. Like, it's definitely internet connectivity, high-speed, low-latency internet to business aircraft. I don't know how many, I don't know how many satellites they have. Apparently Galileo is Europe's GPS, so maybe it's just a double-naming thing. Maybe there's two different companies. GoGo Galileo uses the U-TELSAT one-web, low-earth orbit satellite constellation, which consists of somewhere around 600 satellites, according to the AI overview.
Starting point is 02:22:00 Okay, so it's the U-TELSat one web. How many one-web satellites are in orbit? As of early March 20203, according to Wikipedia, there are 584. Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Well, anywho, a discussion question. Could this be a viable solution for remote ingest of footage when we're shooting on location? I mean, potentially, but it's all going to depend on, like Starlink, what the power requirements are and the fixture requirements are for the base stations, which I haven't seen yet. What is Starlink operating over?
Starting point is 02:22:41 Like what frequency? Well, this was saying RF or optical. Starlink's definitely not optical. Yeah. I feel like optical is going to be tough. They're trying to talk about the six terabytes per second, but optical. So it's like, yeah.
Starting point is 02:23:01 I don't know, dude. Sounds pretty awesome, but like I wonder, does your transfer get canceled if a plane flies overhead or if there's a cloud or a... What if a complicated flies overhead? It's very interesting to me, though. That's crazy.
Starting point is 02:23:24 Like it sounds kind of pretty epic. I would like to know more. I'd like to know what the complications are and stuff like that. How much of a difference is it in latency if you're at like 40,000 feet versus if you're on the surface of the earth for like a low Earth orbit internet connection, I wonder. Huh. Like how high, how high in feet are satellite to satellite is optical for starlight. That makes sense. But am I misreading this?
Starting point is 02:23:51 Is their optical just satellite to satellite? Oh, okay, they're like 1.8 million feet, so it wouldn't make that much of a difference. Are the notes of this, like, kind of weird? Is it not optical down to Earth? Is it just optical to each other's satellites? Yeah, it can't be optical down to Earth. There's no way. So then it's our...
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Starting point is 02:26:22 Yeah, flow-plained. I have, you know, I have seen people asking. You not even have ads? I have seen people asking, like, can we have, like compilations. Yeah, we should do a 2025 compilation probably. Oh, man, I'm sore. You good, Brin? I did badminton three days in a week, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. I just wrecked myself.
Starting point is 02:26:41 I'm just, I'm not as young as I once was. In old, brother. I mean, in fairness, I went pretty hard. I think even when I was younger, I probably would have wrecked myself pretty good doing this, but I think I like, I kind of like pulled something in here. My left arm, ironically, what's up with that? Yeah, right? see, that's what the face I made. The muscles in the back get real weird. The U.S. government will be taking a 25% cut of AMD and NVIDIA's AI sales to China. The U.S. government has decided it will take a 25% cut of revenue for certain AI chips
Starting point is 02:27:13 that AMD and NVIDIA sell to China as part of new tariff rules. This isn't just a tax. It's tied to a broader export policy that now lets those companies export advanced AI processors like NVIDIA's H-200 and AMD's MI-325X to China after importing. them into the U.S. first. So basically, yeah, there isn't actually a problem with our geopolitical rival having access to these advanced processors. They just need to like pay a bit more.
Starting point is 02:27:40 And be shipped around for no reason? Chips only qualify if they meet specified specific performance and technical thresholds. Exporters must prove to the, prove that the U.S. market is fully supplied first and that shipments to China can't exceed half of what sold in the U.S., all of which limits how many GPUs will actually move. The idea behind the cut is to let U.S. firms get back into China's AI market while the government extracts revenue instead of outright banning the sales. This policy is unusual and is meant to survive legal challenges because it applies only to
Starting point is 02:28:09 certain chips that meet specific criteria. So good luck, everyone. With all of that, that seems like a perfectly good plan. Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is worried about the dangers of radio signals and has removed webpages that assert that cell phones are safe. Really? Nice.
Starting point is 02:28:30 So at the highest level of the world's largest economy's government, we're actually like 5G paranoia. Really? Nice. Is this real, this timeline that we're on? Nice. Yeah. Mew says back to this again. An HHS representative, directed by the Maha initiative, said that they removed the web pages
Starting point is 02:28:55 that had old conclusions that required more research to identify gaps in knowledge in radio wave safety. A lot of the 5G hate that's out there is based on a handful of studies, like one that showed a link between the persistent use of cell phones which resulted in the formation of tumors and nerves surrounding the hearts of male rats, but not female rats or mice.
Starting point is 02:29:16 Optional editorializing, says our notes from Mr. David Gochier. Most scientists see this study and say that the field requires more research, but many conspiratorial social media health influencers see that as the most convincing proof they've ever seen because they've never seen real scientific proof before. Or if they have seen it, they wouldn't recognize it, I added the last bit. Kenneth R. Foster, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of Bioengineering at the University of Pennsylvania,
Starting point is 02:29:41 said in a 2018 article that people have been using cell phones for decades and so far there's been no noticeable increase in brain cancer. Dr. Foster said this means that the risk, if it occurs at all, is too low to detect with any reliability. So that's basically where we're at on that. And we have apparently moved backwards now in terms of understanding of all of this, which is pretty neat. Tyler says there was a lawmaker in Florida posting about chemtrails this week. So here's the thing.
Starting point is 02:30:12 It's so chemtrails is one of those ones that's super easy to logic your way out of because the conspiracy theory is they put chemicals in the air for mind control, to which you remember. apply, okay, then why isn't it controlling your mind and how are you able to see through it? Ah, I have superior lungs. I guess. You should test that. Try putting a plastic bag on your head. Nope. And then seeing how long you can breathe in it for.
Starting point is 02:30:42 I can resist that because I have resisted the mind control. I am undefeatable. You will never win. See, that's the problem with using logic to our. argue with illogical people. They're impervious to it. It's remarkable. I would be impervious because I am undefeatable.
Starting point is 02:31:01 I can mute you. I am impervious to the mute. You would have to mute yourself as well. I cannot be defeated. Maybe I should just give up on all of this and go be a gay frog somewhere. I did not see that coming at all. They never see the gay frogs coming. Oh, my.
Starting point is 02:31:32 Asus smartphone development is apparently on pause while the company shifts its focus to AI. Asus chairman, Johnny Shee, has stated that Asus will no longer add new mobile phone models in the future. Instead, ASU's will focus on developing AI products such as robots and smart glasses. With that said, existing phones will continue to receive software updates and warranty support. Our discussion question from Mr. David Pancrots is, has there really ever been an ASU's phone that you would actively recommend anyway? Is this a huge loss? I strongly believe a significant amount of companies are branding fairly obvious company and operational and directional changes as we are pivoting to AI in a hope
Starting point is 02:32:11 that that gets enough attention to pump their stock. That's it. Same thing as people branding layoffs as return to office. I think it's the same thing. I think it's just companies doing company stuff and just branding the company stuff in the most stock pumping. way possible and I think that's it. Meegor in float plane chat says, is he still made phones? Yeah, but this is my point. Like, why were they still doing that? I don't know.
Starting point is 02:32:39 It's a good question. So, if you're on their side, maybe you want to stop. Yeah. And maybe the way to stop is be like, we're going to do AI stuff instead. Right, right. When you probably could have done both. Yeah. But it seems to me red magic has sort of like a monopoly on gaming phones that actually
Starting point is 02:32:58 make any sense at all. For sure. Is there, is there anyone I'm missing? I think, uh, I don't think there's a massive market for it. I mean, red magic exists. And as far as I can tell, they don't have, they don't do anything else. Sure. Yep.
Starting point is 02:33:12 I've also never seen one in the wild. I have. Oh. I've actually also seen an ROG phone in the wild and not one that someone won at our Christmas party. Um, I was quite surprised to see it. Someone took a picture like at a Taiwanese tech mall or something. and they like had an ROG phone.
Starting point is 02:33:30 I was like, what? It feels a little unfair that it was at a Taiwanese tech model. Well, I don't make the rules. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, I think that's all this is, personally. I don't blame them for the change
Starting point is 02:33:46 and I don't even blame them for trying to market it in a way that pumps the stock. It's just companies doing company stuff. So what will be our AI pivot? We don't benchmark anything anymore. We tell us. the AI the specs. And we tell it the historical performance of various things.
Starting point is 02:34:07 We inform it that companies generally go after price bans. We tell it what the cost of the device will be. Then we ask it how it performs. That sounds really cheap. I'm in. I'm convinced, let's do it. Nice. Nice.
Starting point is 02:34:22 Nice. Nice. Nice. Okay. Vimeo is laying off staff globally after it's $1.38 billion dollar sale to bend Spoons. After being bought by Italian tech firm Bending Spoons for about 1.38 billion, Vimeo has cut a large chunk of its workforce with former employees saying it felt like almost everyone was
Starting point is 02:34:41 let go, including reportedly the entire video team, which isn't that like what Vimeo does? Established in 2004, a year prior to YouTube, Vimeo has carved out a niche as a high-end video hosting platform, catering primarily to professional creators and businesses rather than viral entertainment. It's actually the second set of job cuts in a few months. Back in September, Vimeo trimmed about 10% of their staff before the acquisition wrapped. Bending spoons has a bit of a history of buying tech platforms like We Transfer, Evernote, Meetup, and then making deep cuts afterward, which makes this feel a little less surprising.
Starting point is 02:35:17 I think you could, I think calling this a bit of a history is completely fair for the person who wrote this, but I will editorialize a little bit and say this is what they do. They they enter into spaces, purchase companies up, consolidate, simplify, lay off, fire, take profit, and then who knows after that. Yeah. Acquisitions. I'm just trying to see, like, who they... Products. Vimeo, Evernote, Event Bright, We Transfer, Meetup, Komut, AOL, Streamyard, Issu, Mile IQ, Harvest, Breakove, and Remini.
Starting point is 02:36:04 Apparently they have a thousand employees. Wow. Wow, indeed. Private equity go burr. Yeah, no kidding. So here's a question. Doesn't it dropout use Vimeo? Yes.
Starting point is 02:36:26 They do. Should they use floatplane? That'll be pretty sick. That'll be pretty sick. I've always seen getting them on floatplane as the like. the, I don't know, the special artifact, the holy grail, whatever. I always thought that would be really cool. I really like what they do over there.
Starting point is 02:36:55 Are we ready? I don't know. I think we could be. We would need to do some work to make our thing more like what I think that they want. I'm not sure. Like that'd be, I wouldn't obviously think that they would just upload the float plane. That would be stupid. But if they were to do something like Sauce Plus.
Starting point is 02:37:20 where they had their own. But they do, I think. I haven't dove into this in a while, but I would make the assumption that Vimeo is just delivering their video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So their site is actually just theirs anyways. Man, they have so much cool stuff.
Starting point is 02:37:36 My goodness. They make so much content. It's actually mind-blowing. They're an extremely interesting company. It's funny because they have a crazy amount of subscribers from what I've heard. I don't know if it's real or not. but they have a wild amount of subscribers claimed at least.
Starting point is 02:37:55 They have an insane amount of like shows and originals and different things that they make. But they're so like not super public because all their stuff is paid access. Yeah. And it's it's just fascinating how like successful they've been at this model. Yeah. I don't know. They're a cool group. I wonder what that would even look like, like us just doing infra and not doing the platform.
Starting point is 02:38:32 It would look like yet again something we've never done before. We could do it. We've like theory crafted scenarios where it's something like that. But that's not a, like becoming Vimeo was never a target because Vimeo existed. You know, like it was. Oh, wow. Yeah. This was just linked by Max O Drive in floatplane chat.
Starting point is 02:38:59 Websites using Vimeo. Download a list of all 2,115,701 current Vimeo customers. Oh, yeah, Built With is a really cool website. Oh, that's super cool. Yeah, Built With is awesome, actually. Huh. I mean, at some point, should we, like, try and make it fly, or should we just, like, not really bother, you know?
Starting point is 02:39:22 One of the problems, and this is like, it's a problem and it's also a big part of the reason why we still exist. So I don't know what you want to call it. But some of the original tenets of Flowplane was basically like it should always be either neutral or profitable as much as possible. Oh yeah. You better believe it. It needs to be as independent and self-reliant as possible, all these other types of things. All of those pillars that we initially laid out. strongly resist explosive growth.
Starting point is 02:39:57 How do you build to scale when you can't outhire your profitability? Yeah. It's like we set up the pillars to be the least Silicon Valley company possible. We really did. While still making a software tool. So the team's like tiny. Yeah. And incredible, by the way.
Starting point is 02:40:16 Yes. Just throwing that out there. The fact that it exists at all at the size of the team is like fascinating. And I've had long conversations with people that have talked to me about how it actually doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, well, it is a thing. So I don't know what to tell you. Gibberim says their platform website is a Vimeo website with a dropout skin. They need active platform support rather than just a back end.
Starting point is 02:40:39 Interesting. Okay. And Rysaw says dropout allegedly surpassed a million subscribers recently. Yeah, like, holy. I mean, I don't see any reason why we couldn't scale to accommodate it. we could scale to that, yeah. Like, float plane is, it's small, but not because it has to be. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:40:57 It's small because it keeps costs manageable. I don't know what features they have and stuff, though. Like, I deep dove this a while ago, but it's, it's been a while. I would think they would have a lot more in the way of, like, analytics and tracking than we do. Like, we're pretty loosey-goosey about that. They can give subscriptions. Yeah. We should really have that.
Starting point is 02:41:19 We should do that, yeah. Yeah. And also trials. descriptions and stuff. Yeah. So like there's, there's things we would need to do. We're not,
Starting point is 02:41:27 whenever you get to it, Luke, we're not, whenever's convenient. We're not ready this second. I would have loved to be. I wish this happened a little bit later because I would love to work with them. Not even because the million subscribers thing. Obviously company had on. That's really cool.
Starting point is 02:41:40 But like, I just think like, man, there's such a unique, like I find talking to creators at events fascinating. Like open sauce is one of my favorite events to go to because, You can just hang around with a huge variety of different creators all the time and just talk about like what they're doing and how it's working. And man is dropout unique.
Starting point is 02:42:00 Like my God. Rysaw says they've been getting some flack for low quality merch. Maybe you could help them there too. I don't know. We're like we're in this weird. We're at this weird kind of inflection point where I think we kind of have to decide where we're going. We, we're not really continuing to.
Starting point is 02:42:22 scale the way that we used to years ago just on our own. And we're not really, it would require a large investment and a huge leap of faith to become like a service, a creator services company in the way that I think you guys are kind of envisioning as a future for, for LNG slash CW slash floatplane. and it's not an easy decision, right? Because I've gotten pretty comfortable. Do I want to bet it all again? Do I want to convince my wife to bet it all again?
Starting point is 02:43:19 For what? Yeah, it's tough. I don't think it would change my quality of life if LMWFP was, a 10 times larger company. And that's the thing like we could... I don't know. It's... I don't love the idea of bringing in venture capital
Starting point is 02:43:47 to take a chunk, to inject the cash, to build and scale this thing. Managing people is the thing I like least about my job. To be clear, it's not that I don't like the people. I actually, I love the team that I get to work with every day. That's one of the most privileged things about my life, actually. Turns out managing people is not hanging out with people. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:44:11 Oh, it's so lame. I hate doing that and nothing that I can. Yeah, I don't know. Hyobiz says a company I worked for hit about 60 employees and stopped growing and it worked well. I don't think chasing more and more is always the best. I really liked working there. Yeah. But I bet you outgrew it.
Starting point is 02:44:31 So that's another thing. It's there's never a perfect answer. There's people in the team that will not want to grow. Um, I mean, I've been rather outspoken about not having wanted to grow. And then I mean, I think we felt the pain of that growth. We've also reaped the benefits of that growth. Yeah. It's not a, it's not a simple answer.
Starting point is 02:44:56 Um, but there's some people that won't stay if you do that forced growth. And there's people that won't. stay if you don't. Yeah. So it's like... Steven Jay asks, have you ever thought of putting CW outside of the merch space? Not that we call it merch anymore. You have such quality products.
Starting point is 02:45:12 I just bought a bunch of the plain shirts. And when they arrived, my thoughts were like, why aren't these just a product? And they are from our point of view. And yeah, we'd love to. But it's like, it's not that, it's not that simple. Like from a logistics standpoint, from an economic standpoint, like you'd be like on paper right it seems simple Luke underscore Laffer
Starting point is 02:45:41 Twitch Twitch streamer Yeah right I mean well like yeah Not lately Yeah but like okay So Luke sure sure sure Luke gets this clean up wizard shirt from LTT store and he goes on Sorry, who makes this?
Starting point is 02:46:01 And do the label say CW yet, or do they say LTT still? It looks like it does. Yes, CW. So he sees this label and he goes, oh, wow, creator warehouse. I'm a creator and I wear things and I'm in a house. Wow, it's like it's a match made in heaven. And he goes, I'd love to, I'd love for my Luke Laffer. I'm going to make a burb shirt.
Starting point is 02:46:25 And it's just going to be a budgie on the front. And the budgie is going to be looking like this. And it's just going to be thinking, it's going to have a thought bubble and it's going to be like burb. It's going to be like war. Sure. Do you know what? Love it.
Starting point is 02:46:39 Burb war. Burb war shirt. And yeah, yeah, 10 of 10, Jeremy says I would buy. One sale. Okay. Yes. Now what?
Starting point is 02:46:51 Luke has this idea. He has this shirt that he's like, this is pretty cool. How do we get that graphic on the shirt? How do we get it onto a website where you will buy it? How do we manage Luke's exposure to this inventory? I don't want any exposure. No, he doesn't.
Starting point is 02:47:09 How do we manage the lead times of the inventory that we will, I guess what we have to carry now, so that he has blank shirts for him to print bourbon once in a while whenever he feels like it? What will be the minimum print quantities for the print shop that we work with? We don't own our own print shop. We work with the local company,
Starting point is 02:47:28 and then there's another print shop in the States that we work on next to our U.S. US 3PL that's going to be helping us out in the near future. They're actually some really nice prints recently that I'm going to be the chat. Just print on demand, dummy. Yeah. Okay, who? Who will do it?
Starting point is 02:47:43 What will be the costs of that? Times. Yeah. Like, silk screening is way more cost effective over a certain quantity. And print on demand, direct to garment printing is way more cost effective for very low quantities. But these are going to be really expensive shirts. And that's just... Oh, I meant like, least...
Starting point is 02:48:02 Elite times. Like, how long will it take you to get the shirt? Oh, yeah. Oh, dude. Way longer. Take a minute. It's... Hurley time says, just open your own print shop.
Starting point is 02:48:14 I mean, yeah, if I had a casual... I think the last time we looked into it is around 400,000 to $600,000 worth of equipment. Plus, we need a space. If I and people here are going to be managing it, it's going to need to be a space around here, which is money. Money! Staff. Like... nothing is that simple.
Starting point is 02:48:39 How will we make sure that the customers that are buying from Luke all paid the taxes correctly and all the customs and whatever nonsense on their shipment? And we make sure that are we handling Luke's accounting now? Will he remit all of those correctly and properly? Is that our responsibility or is that his? There's also like Wanshow Bingo said print orders the only real solution, have a three to five week time on all orders. Like, yeah, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 02:49:07 I don't know if I want the shirt that I just bought to show up in two months. Like, huh? I, uh, that's always been really frustrating for me about print to order stuff is like, I don't know. Am I a spoiled?
Starting point is 02:49:20 I have it now dopamine machine? Maybe. But like five weeks lead time. I'm assuming that's just production and then they actually have to ship it and stuff. Like I don't, that's a really long time to wait. Yeah. And to be clear, these are all things that are solvable.
Starting point is 02:49:39 So everyone who's suggesting solutions, you are 100% right. But the question is, is that where we want to invest our time? And is that where we want to invest our capital? Because we have a limited amount of both of those things. What if, instead of doing any of that, I just made another video every week. That'd be kind of cool. Probably higher profit margins. And we have room for that.
Starting point is 02:50:05 And I already know how to do that. We have upload slots. Yep. Or we just make another really cool product for LTT store. And then we don't have to split margin with another creator. We do another podcast. Yeah, we'll do the white dudes with facial hair podcast. There isn't enough white dudes with facial hair podcasts.
Starting point is 02:50:27 You're right. We should add another one. You're 100% right. I just, I agree with you. The market is asking for us. I agree with you so completely that, like, if I agreed with you any more, we'd probably start beating each other off. We need more white dudes with facial hair circle jerking in the podcast space.
Starting point is 02:50:46 Maybe we could innovate by having three white dudes. Yeah, I mean, we could get another chair. I could sit in the corner. Yeah. Well, no, you can't be in the corner because we'd have to be in a circle, obviously. It's just physics, Dan. Yeah, but, I mean, technically, like a triangle fits into a circle. Oh, he wants a cuck chair.
Starting point is 02:51:03 Thanks, Dan. See later. Yeah. Didn't get it. Didn't get it. That's fine. That's okay. I got more cocks for you later.
Starting point is 02:51:14 Yeah. Anyways, yeah. I mean, I mean, we had a conversation about, like, how cool it would be to be the back end for dropout, like, a month ago in, like, a float plane staff call. And everybody was like, yeah, sick. also I'm not quite ready for that right now. But like that would be sick. We want to focus on our app.
Starting point is 02:51:41 We want to actually get a TV app out there. Like we're not blind to the people, to the things that people have been asking for. We want to get those things figured out. We've been having some trouble with our app. There's a new head of, do I talk about that? I don't name them,
Starting point is 02:51:59 but I can say that it exists, the new role that was hired. Go for it. There's a new head of HR in here. and I've already talked to them about hiring for app dev for Flowplane. Like it's, we want to figure that out. If that's figured out,
Starting point is 02:52:13 though, there isn't like a ton left. Like we're not ready, but we're not far from being ready. And we spent like a solid like two years, you know, dealing with a bunch of the like early days tech debt and stuff to the point where we're in a pretty good spot regarding that.
Starting point is 02:52:30 In terms of like the tech stack, we're pretty scalable. The team, like I said, is super smart and I think would be like ready for a challenge as long as they're
Starting point is 02:52:41 resourced appropriately like I'm... We're just small. Yeah, it's small. Yeah. We have one more topic. By the way, David's answer for what was the last
Starting point is 02:52:51 relevant Ubisoft game is he thinks other than 23's Principers of the Lost Crown which was great and then the team behind it was disbanded. The last great or majorly relevant UB game in his opinion is Assassin's Creed Odyssey back in 2018,
Starting point is 02:53:06 which is rough. Odyssey was sick and in my opinion underrated. Last topic for today, new leaks show, Nvidia's N1X gaming laptops are reportedly set to debut this quarter with N2 on its way for 2027. A new Digitimes report says that Nvidia's N1X Windows on Arm laptop chip is back on the internal roadmap
Starting point is 02:53:28 with a Q1-20206 consumer launch followed by three more variants in Q2, likely aimed at the enterprise. This lines up with reports of an unreleased, arm-based N1X CPU being spotted in a shipping manifest for an unnamed Dell laptop. N1 and N1X is confirmed to be the same silicon used in the DGX Spark,
Starting point is 02:53:48 Nvidia's AI workstation that kind of looks like a Mac Mini on steroids. Considering that sources say that the next-gen-gen-gen-n2 series is already on its way for your... Q3-20207, it seems a little strange that N-1 wasn't even mentioned at CES-20206. I had a little off-the-record conversation with a fellow tech journalism bro that I respect a lot. I'm not going to name him because I don't know if he was at liberty to talk about any of this, but basically, apparently this silicon has been an absolute cluster bomb over at NVIDIA.
Starting point is 02:54:26 and none of the external unimpressedness with the DGX Spark was a major surprise to my bro I remember Carmack
Starting point is 02:54:40 like pretty much the first thing he said about it was like, does this thing overheat or something like that? That was a pretty epic burn. Oof. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:54:49 Yeah, so DGX Spark has not been quite as impressive and these arm on Windows gaming laptops have been, I think the first time they were supposed to launch was like CES 2025
Starting point is 02:55:04 or was it Computex before that? I can't remember the first time they were supposed to launch, but they've been punted down the road multiple times at this point. Lull inverse says DGX Spark is great for concurrency, Lull. All right, well, there you go.
Starting point is 02:55:24 I think it's time for After Dark. Should we do this thing? Let's do this after dark. Dark thing. Wow, you guys are loving the Clean Up Wizard merch. Products. Damn it. Got them. Yeah, Clean Up Wizard T-shirt is killing it.
Starting point is 02:55:44 A lot of people picking up Linus Cat Tips pins. Pins are great. Love the pins. They are, they're so cute. I requested a couple of the mouse pads as well for a friend of mine. Cool. I might still want to. Nice.
Starting point is 02:55:59 All right. talking of mats Hey DLO question for Linus Will the mod mat have the ESD protection If so, what are you using to test it? Yes, and I'm using Tatiana to test it Also, I think the
Starting point is 02:56:16 CW engineering team was involved in that as well Linus, how often should one paint the walls of their home to maintain it for selling later on And are there any renovations that provide a lot of value to a house buyer. Mom renovating a house right now. So this is a funny thing, right?
Starting point is 02:56:35 Because there's a lot of different. There's a lot to unpack here. So many people wait until the moment that they're moving out of their home to freshen it up for sale. And I have to imagine that people do this because it's a tried and true strategy to maximize the value of your home. I have to assume that. I don't know that for sure And if it was me
Starting point is 02:57:02 And I was shopping for a house I would actually much rather they didn't paint it I would actually much rather They had as I walk into this house With scuffs and dings everywhere on the walls One of those paint chip books And it just included fresh paint Because then I could pick the color
Starting point is 02:57:22 Which would obviously be more likely to be a color I wanted. Oh, wait, interesting. So you're saying, like, we will paint it for you before you even get the home, but you get to pick what color? Because I'm all, I'm paying for it anyway, so I might as well get a color that I actually want. Nope, you get white. I think, I think that painting a house right before you sell it is causing an epidemic of blandness. Yes. Because resale white is the only color that anyone's going to want to paint on it to make it look fresh and, and open and bright. And as soon as you move into a new home, and I've done this that's been freshly painted, you kind of go, well, it was just painted. I'd be an idiot for painting it now. I'll do it later. You're never going to do it
Starting point is 02:58:07 until finally you move out, having spent the last 10 years of your life, living in like dinged, dented, messy wall land, only to go, oh, wow, man, this place looks so great. I wonder if we should have just lived here for longer. Maybe we should have just spent money on the house, at a time when we would be the ones to enjoy it, instead of these new people who are moving in, and they don't even like that color! Yeah. Nice.
Starting point is 02:58:40 I'd say the most important thing in terms of what I'm looking for when I shop for a home is that I'm not going to suffer from, like, death by a thousand cuts, but I don't know that that's the norm. Like, I'm looking for, you know, hey, is this a place that looks like they didn't just slap a coat of paint on it? Oh, my God. Sorry, I saw a Reddit thread that.
Starting point is 02:59:00 But I think is actually a brilliant idea. They said that you should get Electro Boom out to come check out the tech house. I did see that. I don't know that another video going through it again would add a ton of value. I think with him it would be frigid sick. I'm considering it. Oh, I think it would be cool. Very cool.
Starting point is 02:59:21 Love Medi. Always love collaborating with Medi. He's awesome. He is a walking content machine and he's such a nice guy. just like the most genuine guy you guys love Medi what happened to the Linus does vibe coding video it's coming
Starting point is 02:59:40 I actually I actually don't know it's in TM yeah well at some point it will it will happen yeah our writers have a lot of balls they do predominantly male department
Starting point is 02:59:54 they do and they got to juggle them uh sometimes you got to how many balls did they have terrible stop don't have get go move on hey stop hey LLD
Starting point is 03:00:12 do you do a seated floss oh what is he even doing what is it even happening what is happening is blanking this man's blankin I genuinely did not see that coming
Starting point is 03:00:29 They never do. Oh my. Jesus. Hey, LLD. Linus, since Final Fantasy Tactics remaster has sold a million copies, do you think there is hope for a sequel or a prequel to it? Maybe pick up Orlando's story and would you play it? I'd play the crap out of it.
Starting point is 03:00:50 I mean, the fact that it took this long for them to... It's good, but like not super high effort remaster it. is remarkable and gives me no faith. But also, hey, they sold a million friggin copies. So that seems like for a financially motivated company like Square Enix, like a, hello, hello, maybe you should do more of this kind of signal, but that maybe they'll just completely ignore. I mean, don't, isn't that, yeah, that's in Square Enix,
Starting point is 03:01:21 the one that has that activist investor that's like, hey, you guys are being really stupid and like you actually need to stop being stupid now. So maybe they'll listen, maybe they won't. Maybe Ubisoft needs one of those. Yeah, maybe they do. Won't be me. I mean, I probably afford to buy a significant chunk of the company at that share price, but would I want it? And to be clear, no, I can't.
Starting point is 03:01:42 Dude. That is, is joke. Ubisoft is still worth so, so, so much more than I. If you own older IP, we could do some cool stuff. Ubisoft. We do some sick stuff, dude. Total value. What's their total value?
Starting point is 03:01:58 The bar is pretty. low, Luke. Exactly. Yeah. So good. Linus Studios. Sure. Would not call it that.
Starting point is 03:02:10 I would not call a company my name again. If you had Ubisoft, you could probably employ enough people that it would make sense to do some form of like... Stop it. Housing development. Okay. Dan, next one. I've given you... Linus Town, maybe?
Starting point is 03:02:25 I have given you frameworks in the past for... Just that, Linus. Interesting. And he ignored me. Lubysoft? So what we do, all X-rated games? You'd make some money, dude. Oh, man.
Starting point is 03:02:45 Dang. Oh, that's good. Hi, DLL.L. Question for Linus. Which LDD merch item do you think didn't get as much love as it deserved? I love some of your one-off products like the ramstick scar. That one was so cute. I saw mine the other day. because Yvonne and I were getting ready for the ski season
Starting point is 03:03:01 and we were sorting our outdoor wear. And I was like, the ramstick scarf. That's, that's, uh, well, probably a little depressing to look at for people these days, since it's the only ram that they might be able to afford. Uh, but, but it's so cute. It was so cute. Uh, what didn't get as much love as it deserved?
Starting point is 03:03:19 I'm going to answer this, even though it was specifically asked to Linus, but that, uh, all black 3D printed down jacket. Oh, the 3D down. It's genuinely like an, an incredible jacket. And I think it was like too expensive for a product that people don't get to try on first. Because everyone that actually tried that jacket on was like, oh, this is very nice. I love that jacket.
Starting point is 03:03:45 But it's, yeah. The dropout hoodie. The dropout hoodie is legit. I love very legit. This hoodie. Yep. They don't let me wear it because it's not for sale anymore in any like, sizes that matter, but I freaking love that hoodie, just the, and I just, I love the idea behind it,
Starting point is 03:04:07 the multiple layers of the meaning, how it looks like a university or college hoodie, but I didn't graduate, so it just is LTT and it's like, I don't know, I, I love it. And, and also just like in the tech space, that whole drop out, but be successful anyway thing is such a thing. Like I just, and also LTT is sure entertaining but also this may surprise some people on some corners of the internet but we do actually like teach people stuff as well um it's definitely edjimicational so i just loved all the all the layers of LTT school of hard knocks like yeah exactly charged nuclei
Starting point is 03:04:48 hoodie and it was also just such a quality garment i love the the fit and fit the feel of it and i just yeah yeah wanted that to do better we ended up having to liquidate a lot of them which hurt because it was just such a good product wouldn't be easier to like burn them rather than like
Starting point is 03:05:08 melt them nice hi DOL no you gotta do it for yourself too it's low quality ding get out of here hi DEL what is the new completely new hardware that you are excited about
Starting point is 03:05:22 that's not just an improvement on other hardware For example, for smartphone, for smartwatch. Is this asking us to, like, invent a device? I don't think so. I think this is like, what's the new thing? Yeah. What is a new thing?
Starting point is 03:05:38 Can you name a new thing? Um, I think, I think, I think, I think the Apple topic, right? I think the, the valve steam frame is kind of a new product. But that's an improvement on another hardware. It is sort of, but it's like, it's, it's a standalone headset, but Also, it uses the onboard computer to do wireless streaming better than it's ever been done before for VR. And it's a... But been done before.
Starting point is 03:06:03 It's a PC VR headset, but it, like, has, like, really good quality and mobility. And you can also play, like, Windows X-86 games on the ARM CPU. It's like, okay, fine. It's an improvement. Yeah. Because there's a first smartphone, first smart one. Theoretically, I'm still excited. about smart glasses, but I just like can't motivate myself to put a pair on. So I don't know how to
Starting point is 03:06:31 reconcile that. If a Seuss figures it out, it makes some cool ones. That'll be kind of neat, but Aesuice on the software side though. Yeah, I kind of doubt it. Sorry guys. They've done some stuff that's been better than expected. Like their software on the ROG ally is much better than I expected it to be. Their overlay stuff, it just works. And that, from my understanding, is not that simple. I think if there's a robot that can do my laundry and do the dishes, that would be huge and not like fall over or smash things while doing so and not be not be remotely pirated or piloted. My goodness. It's also a fairly important one. I'd also really like it to not be calling home about every single detail of my entire life, including the layout of my house and
Starting point is 03:07:18 where I am at all points in time. Home kit smart robot. See? Yes. Yes. Yes. could turn off your lights for you. Probably. Walking over to impressing the street. That is so smart switch with extra steps. That's so retro. It's so vintage. Literal steps.
Starting point is 03:07:37 I really like that. But yeah, if it's a home kit, I control it. It doesn't phone home. Everything that ever happens. And it's a robot and I can do my laundry and do my dishes and other various annoying things like that. If you can take out of the garbage, stuff like that. Huge.
Starting point is 03:07:53 Oh, God. You could add. The garbage would be amazing. Ask it to set an alarm and it would grab your phone and then just do that for you. See? That's revolutionary. We just need like more Boston Dynamics robots because they can just do everything that the things can. This is where we're going.
Starting point is 03:08:11 How much do you think the robot that isn't just adware is going to cost? And then everyone buys the one that's just spying on you and serves you ads. $25,000. Oh, more. There's no way. No, no shot, Luke. I did cheap car. It's really, really hard to buy a non-smart TV right now.
Starting point is 03:08:33 Oh, yeah. I'll put it. I'll say that. That's the only way they reach these prices. It'll probably be impossible to buy a non-always internet-connected smart home robot, but I would like it to be a thing. Because I don't know if- That's how you break it.
Starting point is 03:08:53 I was wondering why it was broken at like that spot of all places. There's no way I did that too. No, that's the problem is most likely the table. Or the chair, one of the two. Then why isn't mine broken? It's a good issue. All right, what do we got next time? Oh yeah, my job.
Starting point is 03:09:15 Hey, LOD, Luke, my wife wants to know how your birds are. I don't, but she wears the pants. Thanks for all the fun. Okay, we'll cover your ears. I'll talk directly to your wife. I wouldn't let him do that. Especially don't let him make the chicken. There's birds involved.
Starting point is 03:09:32 Get out, man. They're doing all right. Or don't get out. You can sit on the chair in the corner. Yeah, we can be friends. Oh, my. Yeah, they're doing good, actually. One of them was recently sick again.
Starting point is 03:09:47 But it was very, very short-lived, which is great. The bird or the sickness? I can infer. I'd hope so. But yeah, they're doing good. All three of them now for people that don't know that update, which I think is a decent amount of people know that one, but maybe not everyone.
Starting point is 03:10:06 There's three birds now. One, which was we had already like purchased it from a breeder to be a buddy for our previous bird, and then our previous bird passed away. So then the time window from having a bird to having a bird again was like really short because there was a bird that we were already receiving because we bought it. And then we bought that bird a buddy.
Starting point is 03:10:27 Um, and then there was a bird that was out in the wild in, in, in, uh, was in the park in Langley, right? No, it was in Richmond, but it was in a park. Um, and this would be the second bird that, uh, Emma recovered. Um, but this one, no one claimed it. And we, we tried very hard to scream from every rooftop possible that we had this bird and no one ever claimed it. it. We talked to our vet about it and they said it was a fairly telltale situation of someone
Starting point is 03:11:03 just kind of threw it out a window because they wanted anymore. There was other reasons why they thought that. It did make sense, but I'm not going to go into all of that. And now we just have third bird. But third bird is female bird and other two birds are boy birds. So birds cannot mix. I don't know how they can necessarily tell. They look pretty similar to me. But the second there is a female bird in vicinity of the boybirds. It is party time. They are very excited and go a little nuts. So it is very obvious that we can't necessarily let them all kind of hang out together too much.
Starting point is 03:11:44 So that adds some complications and whatnot. But yeah, anyways, long story shirt, birds are doing all right. Birds are good. Cool. Follow up, Luke, question. You mentioned earlier that you're building out a home lab. What kind of things are you thinking of setting up? Oh, dude, I want to do lots of stuff.
Starting point is 03:12:01 A decent amount of this is just like I feel like it is hyper overdue. I want to know more about the people on, about what the people on my teams do. So I, some of the goal is to use similar things that we use here. So I can get more experience and have a better understanding of what they're talking about. And the like the issues that they run into and, and just. things like that. Good. Keep going.
Starting point is 03:12:31 We're just making adjustments. Why? I don't know. It's like it better this way. Perfectly level? No. One's not perfectly level though. That's fine.
Starting point is 03:12:38 Just relax. I like it this way. Stop it. That still works. That's fine. They're both crossing. Yeah. They both have a high point.
Starting point is 03:12:47 Yeah. It's very nice. I want to get a Plex server up to live stream home videos. to my family. Sure. Yeah. I also, I'd like to do some local LLM stuff.
Starting point is 03:13:05 There's just a lot of things that I want to do that. I feel like I'm very overdue on really, actually pushing. Yeah. As a student and IT worker at a university, I've noticed that the newer generation is less tech literate. Do you think the oversimplification and handholding has contributed to this issue?
Starting point is 03:13:30 Well, then I've got something... Yeah. I've got something to share with you guys. This is a great meme I came across and... It's not like... Phone or tablets? Because I heard, like, what's a file system for a lot of people? Because they're mostly interacting with, like, a phone or a tablet or, you know, an application.
Starting point is 03:13:56 They don't have to know what a D-drive or a C-drive or, like, what's a network? Work share. Okay, Dan, I just sent you like my favorite meme from the last week. I want a YouTube app on my computer. Shut up, pug boy. Get out. I actually do. Why? I wish less things were just browser.
Starting point is 03:14:25 Here's Linus's favorite meme. Favorite meme of the week. I'm training a zoomer kit to use the computer at work. And it's exactly like training a boomer. There is exactly one generation that can rotate a PDF and there will never be another. The knowledge dies with us. So good. It's kind of true.
Starting point is 03:14:46 Go jellyfin and swim upstream. Yeah, I don't know if I want to doplex or not, but I want to do like, you know, home video distribution to multi-houses. Yeah. Hi, wanda.d-l-oh. I just want to jump in and say, generally speaking, our staff has actually been really good.
Starting point is 03:15:10 Like, we have younger people on staff. Oh. And there are absolutely zoomers. and younger people who are very capable technically. I just want to throw that out there. That these generalizations are just generalizations. They're not universally applicable. Okay, carry on.
Starting point is 03:15:28 Very good. Hi, Wandot DLL. I'm a high school chemistry teacher. The Green Brothers have a bit of an empire with YouTube education content via crash course. Do you have connections with them? Would love education-focused collapse? I don't think I've ever,
Starting point is 03:15:45 I don't think I've ever met either of the Green Brothers. I admire them from a distance. One of the ways that I can find out is just checking my inbox. No, I have never corresponded with either of the Green Brothers. Downer, maybe I should try and do that. You never know unless you try, right? Thanks, Luke. Very deep.
Starting point is 03:16:29 Yeah, sure, bud. Very deep comment, yes. Hi, DLL. Question for Luke. As a software developer, I come across other developers who see errors as something only others can solve. Any tips on how to encourage them to see errors as opportunities to learn? Oh, man. This was a little bit confusing for me.
Starting point is 03:16:50 Any tips on, no, no, I understand. I understand it, too. Okay, go ahead then. That's a tough one. Some people, I don't know if you'll ever really be able to get that through to them. I think if you are leading or managing those people, I think you make it very clear that this is a required part of career progression. But to a certain degree, that's just a performance issue. Some people will never resolve that and it will make their careers halt in progression. And that's sometimes where people just sort of stop. It's because they can't get their minds around that. It's a very difficult thing to have as a programmer.
Starting point is 03:17:31 I find a lot of people that, no, that train of thought doesn't make it sense. I think like solving errors is a natural constant state of a software developer. So if they can't do that, they're going to be hyper-limited in their career. And if you try to communicate to them, that to them, hopefully they absorb it and grow. I've seen this happen with people.
Starting point is 03:17:55 It's not that it doesn't happen. I have just also for sure seen it not happen with people. And you can't save them all. So do what you can. But yeah, I think I would tie it pretty directly into like, look, you will stop progressing if you don't figure this out. So you have to figure this out. Apparently John Green said that I gave him a computer recommendation.
Starting point is 03:18:19 I don't remember that, but I recommend computers to a lot of people. So that would be a little embarrassing. It's like, oh, yeah, you, like, built a server for Santa Claus. You don't remember? Like, oh, yeah, sorry, just slipped my mind. How do you forget something like that? I don't know.
Starting point is 03:18:36 That's a big, you'd have to be more specific moment. Yeah. And, like, the villain is like, or the, the protagonist in a movie or whatever, is like, you killed my dad. And the villain's like, you'd have to be more specific. Yeah, yeah. You recommended a computer. You'd have to be a lot more specific.
Starting point is 03:18:53 So are there programmers that just program and then don't fix it when it doesn't work? Is that what this is talking about? You've used a lot of software in your life, Dan. Do you think there are programmers who just program and don't make sure it works? That's why I was a little confused because it's like, okay, we have errors. It doesn't compile. Well, you just haven't done your job then? No, it's like if they're struggling to accomplish something, they'll just give up.
Starting point is 03:19:21 Oh, yeah, that's so much. worse. I think that's what, I think that's the crux of it. This is how I'm interpreting it. Um, so they'll be like, I mean, problem hard. And then they'll try to just go to someone else. And I mean, sometimes, that might make sense. Uh, we, we try to do a thing where like, you should try to grind on it for a bit and try to solve it yourself. But at a certain point, you should seek help because you're just kind of wasting time. You heard you here first. At a certain point, you should seek help. Luke 2026. extremely deep but you should try to
Starting point is 03:19:57 solve it yourself first not wrong words do you see a need for wireless TVs that they had at CES wires are still needed regardless of what they say well you answered your own question didn't you this is kind of like
Starting point is 03:20:12 okay this is my favorite thing hold on I'm just going to search for we're going to go on a little journey together are they like battery Search for projector. What the hell are the Bigley brothers? Anyway, that doesn't matter. The point is, we're going to go to like a mainstream type of projector brand. Oh, seriously? Okay, let's let's go, let's pick on, let's pick on LG. Let's pick on LG Cinebeam. Okay,
Starting point is 03:20:44 let's pick on LG Cinebeam. So I'm going to, I'm going to click, shut up. You ain't going to click nothing that you want to click. Oh my God, I'm going to try to use your. Prumps, stupid website. Okay, let's click this thing. Wow, what a great design that I'd love to look at. That, wow, this is such a, oh, wow, this is a shockingly honest deployment, except it also isn't. Because where is this cord going?
Starting point is 03:21:11 Where is this going? This is, your couch is there. Like, you're completely ignoring the fact. Look at this. it's not plugged in in any of these situations it's also not one of those times in a position that you would actually want
Starting point is 03:21:31 minimal cue design right but it's all bullshit unless it actually runs wirelessly which as far as I can tell it doesn't there are so many they hide the cable behind a coffee machine a coffee thing
Starting point is 03:21:49 I don't drink coffee What are you talking about? Far right. That? Oh, yeah. Behind what? Is that like a battery bank? So it can be used with a battery bank.
Starting point is 03:22:00 But they don't even show the cable going into the battery bank. But like where is the projector in this shot? That's awesome. This is clearly just complete horse shit. Oh yeah. That's amazing. And so I have a very similar issue with whatever you were talking about. Yes, wireless TV.
Starting point is 03:22:20 I have a very similar issue with wireless TVs as I have with this type of projector marketing. It's all fantasy. It's all pie in the sky. What if everything was wireless? Well, it isn't fucking wireless. It's not wireless. So what are you even talking about?
Starting point is 03:22:34 If I want to play on my switch, well, I'm going to have to have power for my TV because I definitely need that. I'm going to have to have HDMI into some box somewhere because as far as I can tell, the switch doesn't have magical la-la wireless display transmission. I'm going to have to have power for my switch. So I'm going to need a media console anyway. So I might as well just have one then. Yeah. So basically they're stupid.
Starting point is 03:23:05 And I think they're stupid. I do Glenn and Dinus. I could totally see myself putting one in the tech house though just because we can. Yeah, drill some walls. Drill some walls. Hell yeah. I do, Glenn and Dinus. Is there any tech you'd like to see added to modern car suites? Shout out to my wife for letting me do some gear shopping. Honestly? Buttons. Some dials. I don't even, you know what?
Starting point is 03:23:29 Some switches? I'm about... More piano black. I'm about to have the hottest of takes. Don't need them. We need less, actually. My car is... Please less.
Starting point is 03:23:40 My car is almost all glass and I love it. Oh, I know. I don't like it. I don't... It's interesting to me because I hear a lot of... lot of people talk about how much, how desperately they need their climate controls, for instance, to be physical switches. And I'm sitting here going, why are you touching it? The fan is set to auto. You set a temperature you're comfortable with and then you never touch it again. Like, you also have discussed how your significant other will change the things. Well,
Starting point is 03:24:16 then you have to change them back. Yes, but. So just because you think her opinion is wrong, does not change the fact that you still have to interact with it. It's so little, though. It's like I just... I'm just saying the point doesn't really land. That's fair. That's fair. But it also just, it's still... I don't know, man.
Starting point is 03:24:36 I don't know what to tell you. It just doesn't bother me at all to do it on a touchscreen. I was in a Rivian not that long ago and had to interact with the touchscreen, and it just felt like the dumbest thing in the world. Why are these not buttons? I don't think it needs to all be buttons again I think you can have some stuff in the menus but like all I would want to see
Starting point is 03:24:59 is just sort of more more thoughtful I'd love to see Android Auto and CarPlay be more reliable that's something basically I would just love like a minor feature and bug fix pass on my car and otherwise it'd be perfect so for example I have a couple of programmable buttons I have one on my steering wheel
Starting point is 03:25:20 and I have one that's like up on the dash here. If both of those supported alternate functions with long press and double press, I would be happy as a pig and shit. That'd be pretty sweet. If my Android Auto didn't occasionally just like fail to Bluetooth pair and have my audio not work,
Starting point is 03:25:36 or if depending on the audio source on my phone, the volume wasn't either way lower or way higher, like if I could just send Porsche a list of all those sort of various minor, tiny, insignificant inconveniences, like the fact that I can't have it just automatically start up the car and the driving profile that I always use. I always drive in sport mode, so why do I have to turn this dial every single time I get into my car?
Starting point is 03:26:06 It's stupid, just don't do that. Then I would just, I would just love it. I would be, I wouldn't want anything else. I honestly just don't want my car to really do anything other than when I press this thing, it goes that way. And when I press this thing, it stops going that way. Except when I also press a different thing
Starting point is 03:26:24 and then sometimes it goes that way. When you do what, sorry? When I press this thing, sometimes it goes that way. When you press a different thing? Can you do that one again? Do you press a different thing? Yeah. I don't even know what I did.
Starting point is 03:26:33 Okay, don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah, I want a dumber car. And I want to pay a lot less for it. Well, you're never going to get that second thing. No, it's a thing. I mean, well, the slate looks pretty cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:26:46 Yeah. And there's like a bunch of them global. like Toyota has some truck that is not sold in North America, but it's like very affordable. Well, that's what I'm talking about, though. Like, but it's not sold to North America because of North American regulations on like lane assistant stuff. Really? Yeah. It has nothing to do with Toyota's decision making.
Starting point is 03:27:03 Interesting. Yeah. There's like a certain reason with, with certain safety laws that a bunch of cheaper cars globally are not allowed to come to North America. So irritating. Yeah. Especially because like an insane amount of cars on the road don't have these things. Yeah, because they're just older. And like, dude, oh my God.
Starting point is 03:27:23 Driving Emma's car, the lane assist is dangerous. Oh, it can be. Like, it's not okay. And not just a lane assist, but the emergency automatic braking. Oh, my God. I've had at least three times that my Taekan has almost killed me because I decided to go to turn left. And it was like, there's a car in front of you.
Starting point is 03:27:46 I'm going to stop. and it stopped in oncoming traffic. And in a really jarring, startling, I need a second to figure out what the heck is going on and why my car isn't moving. Footplant. And I need to hit it again to get out of the way. Absolutely insane.
Starting point is 03:28:01 I don't want these things. I understand they might make it better for some drivers out there somewhere. I think a lot of people on the road, it's not helpful for. And I know a lot of people just turn them off. So like... And my lane keep,
Starting point is 03:28:14 there's a particular spot between Smash Champs my house that it's just like and just tries to rip me out of the lane. Yeah, which is pretty fun. Dude, I don't want any of this stuff. I don't want any of it at all. So like the fact that I'm not allowed to buy one in North America that doesn't have those things is crazy. I don't like that.
Starting point is 03:28:32 I would love this. What is the, um, super cheap. I'm hoping this brings it up Toyota truck sold outside America. Can I find it? Is it the high lux? It's a people in chat said. I think it's a Hylix champ. I think that's the right.
Starting point is 03:28:50 Hylux champ. Nice. Yeah, this thing. They have a bunch of different versions of it. It looks a little, you know, like a Lego truck. But you can configure it in a bunch of different ways and stuff. And look, $10,000 pickup. Wow.
Starting point is 03:29:09 Brough. Like, let me buy the cheap truck thing that people do crazy stuff with. whatever. That's super cool. It's a $10,000 platform that has an engine in it and you can drive around. Cool. There's a bunch of these things. It's not just this Toyota truck. There's other variants as well, but it's just like the cheaper cars aren't allowed to come here. Oh, frustrating. More TV-focused questions. Howdy, when with TVs being so competitive nearing a race to the bottom economics, creating millions of pounds of e-waste. Should we have a minimum price floor on certain electronics? Is quality the winner?
Starting point is 03:29:52 Generally speaking, I'm pretty pro-free market, a regulated free market that prevents monopolists from taking advantage of their position. But I don't think you're ever going to get me advocating for a minimum price on something. I think that my job is educating people to make sure that they buy something that is going to meet their needs for an extended period of time in hopes that there will be less waste overall if people consume because they will consume but consume the right things so that there's less trial and error involved.
Starting point is 03:30:33 And I just don't see how you, I don't see how you'd implement this. Like, it's not like it's a, you know, terrible idea on the surface of it, right? I'd say you'd be better off creating like a warranty minimum. So a minimum amount of time that they have to support the product to incentivize them to do the right things rather than regulating it directly. I like that. That should also spread to more products. The more I'm learning about washer, dryer, refrigerator, dishwasher, all that kind of stuff. Like, holy crap, dude, the sheer amount of waste in not even the electronics portion, but just the metal.
Starting point is 03:31:11 and everything else that is involved with this. And people just have to toss out because it's not worth repairing is crazy. And the fact that we're getting into three to five year life cycles, like I'm used to people just not replacing appliances ever. Yeah. It comes with the house. Yeah. Like, how is this turning into something that I'm going to replace more often than my TV?
Starting point is 03:31:31 We were going to get new appliances when we moved into our current place. And the guy who came in looked at one of them when we were, what was it, the motor in the washer went to? or something like that. And basically, Yvonne was like, oh, yeah, I don't know if we want to bother with repairing it. And the guy's like, yes, you do. I will put a new motor in this.
Starting point is 03:31:51 And this will last for another 25 years. If you went and you bought a new one, you would be replacing it in five to 10. Yeah. And like I, so like I said earlier in the show, my fridge is going. So I was like, all right, time to do some research because this is a pastime.
Starting point is 03:32:06 What can I buy? What should I get? All of everything. like there was literally, I can't remember the exact comment. Oh, I could probably find it on my phone. But there was like an appliance guy basically saying like the world is ending and I hate everything because like he can't recommend something that's actually good. Yeah, my, I forget what brand it is, but my mom bought a new fridge from someone that like,
Starting point is 03:32:29 for me growing up was like, oh, that's a reputable appliance brand. And they've been out, I think, half a dozen times to fix it. And she's been like, at what point is this a. lemon. You guys have spent more than the cost of this fridge coming here and fixing it over and over and over again. Are you ready to acknowledge that it is broken and that you're not able to fix it. And it's just like the whole thing is so grossly inefficient. The comment was appliance tech here. It's all just it's all plastic disposable crap. Life is pointless and the planet is doomed because of the waste we produce. Refrigerators within your budget are not by it for life. And it was like, oh. So then I was like, okay, well, this person's listed budget on this particular Reddit thread didn't seem super high. Can you spend more than this and get something that's not just portable e-waste? Apparently, yeah.
Starting point is 03:33:35 Nice. But is it like commercial, basically? You're talking sub-zero and stuff. which I've only like... Sub-zero? ...heard of. Like, sub-zero wins?
Starting point is 03:33:46 I don't know if I've ever actually even opened a sub-zero fridge myself, but I've heard of them. There's another one that I don't remember the name of it, but there's another brand as well. You do have to be careful sometimes because not... Like, manufacturers just make for all the manufacturers.
Starting point is 03:34:03 Yeah. I mean, if you want, like, commercial, commercial. But those go a bit, money. No listed price. Very interesting. Sort of like, you know, there's like... Qualifies for a luxury kitchen savings event. Required accessories. Excuse me. I have to buy my own drawers for a thousand dollars each.
Starting point is 03:34:26 Well, what if you wanted it in stainless steel? Uh-huh. By now with live chat, you need to discuss your purchase with... Flush, inset door panel with tubular handle. Tubular man. $1,700. Where's the, how do I, wait, is there no price? No, you have to buy now with live chat.
Starting point is 03:34:45 You have to discuss your purchase. What the hell is Fisher and Paykell? I don't know. Never heard of that. What? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Buy now with live chat. But where's the starting price?
Starting point is 03:34:57 Does it not have one? Can't remember the name of the other brand that I found, but it was. There's wolf for stoves, I know, are pretty typical, like a high-end install. I don't know if they're actually worth it. How much does a sub-zero fridge call? Oh, what? Yep. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 03:35:22 But there's a ton of people on Reddit, saying that these things last 25 years and are highly repairable. Yeah, that's like how much a fridge should cost for how insanely complicated some of them can be. The other brand is just called true. Those are the two that people were talking about. True and sub-zero. Okay. So, do you spend...
Starting point is 03:35:43 Nope. $11,000 to $20,000 on a fridge or do you replace the same genuine piece of garbage and fill landfills with, you know, a thousand dollar bridges, I'm guessing. I don't know what the price is. I haven't actually... Especially because when you sell your house with that subzero fridge, the new buyer will not assign any additional value to it. So you're basically just paying for yourself to use it. Most people are not going to be in a position in their life where they can afford a $25,000 fridge and have enough of their life left that they're going to use it for the whole time. And that's just the cold hard truth.
Starting point is 03:36:22 Now for some cold hard truth about B580s being available at MSRP. They're not. Do it on the lab site, you freaking nerd. How am I supposed to do that? Do you have the Gunnier Intel Arc? Didn't think so. Yeah. You have this one right here?
Starting point is 03:36:38 It's from Newe. Always a versioning thing. Cool. So don't worry. We're working on that, and it's going to be awesome. I don't know if we're working on that. Someday, someday we will. So lowest price in 30 days, okay, whatever.
Starting point is 03:36:53 You know, $2.99, that's not that bad. It's not great. And this one doesn't have the holiday bundle for some reason. So I don't know what's up with that. Maybe you contact New Egg before you buy this one. LM.g.g. Right. Do I remember this now?
Starting point is 03:37:08 The Azrox Steel legend is, ah, it was $259 for a long time. and it's $2.99 now, but the Intel Holiday bundle is still there, so free Battlefield 6. I think you could say with a straight face, if you wanted Battlefield 6 and you get Battlefield 6 with it, it's pretty close to MSRP, but it's not what it was just a couple weeks ago where you could get it for 249, 259, and get the holiday bundle, which was an outstanding value. Man, what about 5070 TIs? Are they just, are they just dead? Are we cut? cooked. What's up? Dad's in the chat. Oh, hey. He said, take it with you when you move. Stop, Rob. Nice.
Starting point is 03:37:52 Assuming your new kitchen layout accommodates the exact width of fridge. Oh, you'll make a fit. And depth. Yeah. Haxah. We ended up having one option for oven when we needed to get a new oven for our kitchen at our place because we didn't want to completely redo all the cabinets and everything. and they weren't wood, they were like some kind of like mella, whatever, whatever. They were like that kind of plastic covered thing. And so they're not like easily modifiable. And it was like a top bottom stack one.
Starting point is 03:38:22 So there was, yeah, there was one option. So a lot of the time it's dictated by like the space you're in more than the, oh man, 57 ETIs are really expensive. Yeah, if you're continuing to comment, I can't tell because my computer is restarting because security or something. Nice. It's your dad's user name.
Starting point is 03:38:44 Liquidus. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Take it with you when you move. I would make it work. Well, we know you would, but I'm not as handy as you. He would. All right, Dan, hit me.
Starting point is 03:39:06 Okay. Last time I got for you today, hey, wandot, DLL. Were any of you impacted by the telecom bubble and the fall of Nortel, loving the mechanical pencil? I'm so glad you like it.
Starting point is 03:39:16 No, I was, man, I was still, I was still a young boy. That's not us. When did Nortel fall? The history of all that is super interesting. Yeah, I was 14, so I wasn't really like, I wasn't really like workforcing it up yet. Sleeping on those investments. Yeah, you should have bought a house and invested in Nortel very temporarily and then sold right before the crash. Right, right, right, right, right.
Starting point is 03:39:42 Yeah, hindsight. Yeah. Thank you, Captain, Captain, Captain Hindsight. That's really appreciated. 2009. Um, and now it's time to put this WAN show in hindsight.
Starting point is 03:39:55 Thanks for watching. We'll see again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye!

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