The WAN Show - Cables Aren’t Supposed To Melt, Right? - WAN Show February 14, 2025

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What is up, y'all ladies and gentlemen? Welcome to the WAN Show. We have a terrible show lined up for you this week. We have nothing. So it'll be a great show. That's how it works. Yeah, I know. It only seems to work out that way.

That's the law, yeah. The big topic that is enveloping the techosphere this week is obviously GeForce cables melting to the melting so we'll be talking about what's going on with rtx 5090 cables including I think Someone on our team threw it in the CT scanner so we could have a look at What some folks are talking about out there with the PCB design and the shunts and all of that. What else we got this week? We're... I called the guy. I called the guy. And if you're not

a regular viewer, you're going to have no idea what I'm talking about. But if you are a regular viewer, you're going to be pretty excited. The guy has been called. What else we got this week? Zotac copied our verified actual gamer program, which, if you're new here is actually pretty old at this point I know right which is kind of weird 30 series even think about it still and Steam distributed malware ooh Sure like four people? The show is brought to you today by Odoo,

Odd Pieces and Corsair and of course by our rap partner Dbrand and our chair partner Secret Lab. They really don't do a good job of living up to their name. Secret Lab? You can't really be a secret. Very public well-known lab. If you're advertising all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Bad job Secret Lab. Well-marketed lab. Speaking of bad job, let's jump right into our first topic today, GeForce cables melting to the meltening. Here's a bit of a recap from last time, from GeForce cables melting one, the, a new hope? And I don't know. When the 4090 launched, we saw lots of reports of cables melting. Nvidia, their story pretty much boiled down to it

being user error, either people seating the cable incorrectly or installing poorly constructed third party cables. Part of the issue was that to get their fancy new connector to fit in a lot of cases with the way that it stuck out directly off the top of the card, the cable ended up pressed against the side panel, straining the connection.

Now cable mod made some 90 degree adapters that people hoped would fix the problem, but long story short, they didn't and cable mod ultimately recalled said product. A newer 4090 models attempt to solve the issue by repositioning the 16 pin power connector. Also, the 12 volt high power cable design was updated to 12 volt two by six for 2025. It has shorter sense pins and longer conductor terminals to help ensure that all of the power, excuse me,

all of the power carrying cables are all the way in before the sense pins will say, hey, yeah, we've got a connection. Corsair currently has at least six blog posts about 12 volt two by six or 12 volt high power, which adapter you should use and how to connect cables to your power supply. Now, I'm gonna take a moment here

and go off the sort of notes provided to us and say, hey, if something's this complicated, is the problem maybe you and not me? Anyway, no, no, sorry, sorry, I digress. Reports of more failures with the 4090 and adapters continue to pop up all the way into 2025. PC Gamer ran an article in April last year stating that one repair shop in the LA area

saw about 200 cards and adapters with melted connectors over a one month period. And Tom's Hardware ran an article yesterday called The Dark Side of Gaming, finding that their two-year-old card's connector had been melting, despite no obvious performance issues. Now, it's time to fast forward to... a day after yesterday. And it's time to talk about the 5090. We are now seeing more reports of cables melting. Reddit user, Ivan6953 made a post a few days ago showing melting on both ends of the connector.

Ivan claims that it was securely fastened and clicked and that he was using an older ModDIY third-party cable. ModDIY has released a statement that you should upgrade to the latest 12-volt 2x6 cables for RTX 50 series cards. YouTuber ToroTochio released a video on February 9th claiming that the wiring burned due to a bad connection because of wear on the 12 volt high power connector states that the power supply was very used. Their Bauer has tested one Founders Edition card, so this is a 5090, with one Corsair cable

and says that there was uneven current distribution across each pin. And this is where things start to get a little bit complicated And where things start to get a little bit drama II So the connectors rated for 9.5 amps per power pin and 1 amp per signal pin, okay? Dear Bauer saw readings over 9.5 amps. In fact, in his first video,

he saw over 20 amps on one wire. Then Johnny Guru, who works at Corsair and used to be kind of the power supply reviewing guy back before he worked at Corsair, said that was impossible. In Derbauer's second video, he said, I will show you what is possible and cut four wires while the card was under load, measuring about 50 amps between the remaining two wires, demonstrating that while that is not in

fact something that you should do and is not representative of a real-world situation, hopefully, but it can in fact run more than 9.5 amps over one wire. He said that it still worked because the sensing pins only check to see if the sensing pins are plugged in and if they are, the card will try to draw whatever power it's supposed to. It doesn't check how many power pins are connected, and you can see that about 12 minutes into his video if you check for yourself. Dan, do you want to throw that in the various chats? It's the one that's hyperlinked in our notes here. He then plugged in a new undamaged 12 volt high power cable from Corsair,

and the load was distributed evenly. So what he has kind of shown kind of validates what some others have said and that is that this might just come down to bad cables but what he has also shown is that there's still a problem because you can't guarantee... One quick set. Did you say that he cut the cables while it was under load? That's what my notes say. People are saying that it was... Oh sorry, he cut the four wires and then sorry sorry sorry no no not while it was not while it was under load? That's what my notes say. People are saying that it was... Oh, sorry, he cut the four wires and then, sorry, sorry, no, no, not while it was actually on, that would be crazy. Let's back up a bit.

He cut the four wires and then measured the remaining two wires with a current clamp while it was under load. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. All right, cool, good. So, he's demonstrated two things. One, that the issue could very well be, you know, bad cables, not necessarily bad cards, but also that it seems to go a little bit deeper than that because if a card that is good

can't tell that a cable's bad, well, that could be an issue, couldn't it? Whew. So this is where the plot thickens. Roman goes on to say, this is Derbauer Roman, that this wasn't a problem on the 3090 Ti because it had monitoring and load balancing built in to its power delivery design while 40 and 50 series cards do not. More on this from Buildzoid later. Some others have sort of weighed in, Falcon Northwest or Adamant, they haven't seen

any issues in the systems they've been building and testing with similar equipment, but according to Buildzoid, with the 30 series there were three shunt resistors and three power phases, similar to how a three by eight pin system would work, while with the 4090 and 5090 they only have two shunt resistors and one power phase. So the way to kind of explain this is that the 5090 has no way of knowing or monitoring which of the 12 volt cables that are plugged into it is actually bringing the power into the board. They all just join on the board. So all it knows is, hey, I'm getting power. And you might think, okay, well, a simple solution to this would be for Nvidia to put some kind of thermal probe on the connector side of the card. But the problem is that these are toasty cards. You'd be getting so

much heat off of the GPU and the memory and the VRMs that could potentially, you know, tell those thermal probes, oh yeah, everything's, you know, running really hot, that they wouldn't be able to tell if it's because the cable that's plugged right into it is on the verge of melting, or if it's just that the card runs pretty fricking hot

because it's at 5090. Or if it's just that the card runs pretty freaking hot because it's at 5090. Yeah. I don't know, do we have our... CT scanner time, oh, okay, hold on a second. Blah, blah, blah. Nvidia, for their part, I did reach out. Nvidia has said, well, here's the situation.

We don't, I'm paraphrasing here, because this is not like official, but they're basically like, we don't have any of these cards back yet. We need them back so that we can do failure analysis on them and that's fair enough. But I am sort of worried for Nvidia's sake here that when they get them back,

what they're going to find is that if someone plugs in a defective or poorly positioned, poorly seated cable, that they have not built the appropriate mitigations into this card and it could continue to be a problem. They do say that very few cards have been impacted, but that doesn't mean that very few cards will ever be impacted. Okay, oh this is awesome. So it's CT scanner time. We CT scanned a 3090 Founders Edition, a 4090 Founders Edition, and a 5090 Founders Edition. Below are the scans. They will all have a bookmark in the bottom left panel called 12 volt high power connections,

which will show the connections to the board. Okay, these scans are 10 out of 10, but I took bad screenshots into Google Drive here. You can't quite make out PCB components. All right, so I am seeing these for the first time because they've been working on this in the lead up to WAN show. So good luck everybody.

Oh, these are gonna take a minute to load. So here's a 3090. Mine has maybe loaded faster. Okay, let's go over to Luke's screen. Sick. And basically what we're looking at is this one looks like it's split into two groups. There should be a bookmark. A view. Here front view PCB paper chamber this is the power connector yeah good yeah you want to flip it over traces pads oh here there we go nope yeah I don't think so. Okay, go back to 12 volt high power.

Okay, I got someone in chat saying that looks like three shunt resistors to me. The claim from Buildzoid is that 3090 should have three. So I guess that lines up. Okay. Okay. All right. Now let's go to the 4090. Have you opened that one already? No. I'll click it now. Man, I love this CT scanner.

This is so cool. I'm gonna preload 5090. Perfect. Okay, we're coming back to my screen. Okay, we're coming back to my screen. Yeah, neat is definitely an understatement. It takes a hot minute to load. Yeah, sorry guys. This is a really rough scan,

but the pins are separate at least from the connectors. What are our notes say here? That is a pretty rough scan. Okay. There we go, Where's our... Okay, so this one... Yeah, that is a much rougher scan. Well, let's turn our attention to the 5090, because Lucas showed me this one before the show. Okay.

So this is the oh, do you want to do mine? I have it already. Yeah, yeah, go for it. So here, the issue is that the connections are all just tied together into a single bus. So what Lucas was showing me before is that basically all the 12 volt pins just go into a single power plane and all of the ground pins just go into a single ground plane. So what this means is that the board has no way of knowing which pin is carrying all the power in.

So if one of them has a poor connection, one pin has a poor connection, then what will happen is that pin will heat up. The more it heats up, the higher the resistance goes, so the worse the situation gets, then you can have the connector start to melt, which obviously is not good for the contact of the pins. And all the while, all the card will see is, I am getting power. Um... Not good.

Isaret in the floatplane chat says, Linus, so if you have common power planes, why use a connector that is prone to differential amperage due to resistance? Well, let me tell you. you'll have to ask Nvidia that. Their board partners don't appear to be doing so. Buildzoid's diagram shows that the RTX 4090 Matrix and 5090 Astral both actually use a different approach that would allow it to detect if one of the pins is carrying too much amperage. This doesn't look great.

The only defense that I can see for NVIDIA in all of this is that this power connector is technically part of the CM5 industry standard and should be safe at power levels up to 600 watts. But here's the thing, Luke. I remember back when we transitioned to this thing with several people, I've had this conversation several times. I believe we've also talked about it on WAN Show. With my limited understanding of electrical engineering and electronics engineering, what I know is that more surface area, more the better when it comes to mating surfaces for an electrical connection.

So why was it that when Nvidia recognized that they were that we were moving to a point where GPUs were going to require more and more power, what possessed them to go for smaller little tiny pins instead of the big pins we had already? Yeah, I don't know. I still don't understand that, and I have yet to have anybody explain it to me. If we moved, say, to 24 volt at the same time, sure. I'd be far less concerned. But we didn't. So what is...

What... And, and, and we... And like like Nvidia is the one entity other than okay Intel sure Intel as well. Nvidia and Intel are the two entities that can sort of just declare that we are going to use a new connector. They don't they they need some- Do you think Intel can still do that? Historically, maybe?

I mean, they are the maintainers of the ATX spec. So, you know, there is that. Okay, all right. But anyway, okay, historically then, Intel and Nvidia, to just unilaterally make a decision that we're going to use this connector now. So they could have decided on any connector. They could have designed, you know, with a consortium or with some input from others.

They could have designed their own connector. We could have gone with, you know, some variant of the larger older style pins that are also used in CPU power connectors, EPS, ATX, 12 volt, all that stuff. They could have used those same pins and receptacles, and they could have added the sensing pins and receptacles, and they could have added the sensing wires that are actually a pretty cool part of the spec, because as long as people don't just jumper them to fool them, theoretically they communicate between the power supply and the GPU so that you don't have a mismatch where you've got a super hungry

GPU and an inadequate power supply. That's the theory behind it. But the whole, the whole thing where the new connector was, you know, like rated for more than the old connector to my like monkey brain, I'm kind of looking at it going, why? Yeah. Why was that? Why exactly was that when you've got this obvious potential?

issue here Super whisk says why not just have a connector with two giant spades if it's gonna be that way on the inside Yes Yeah, I can't claim to know so much of of this is just like, it seems obvious to me, but I don't know a lot about this. So I'm assuming there's like gotta be something else going on. Like I bought a bunch of these RC LiPo battery connectors.

I forget what they're called. Yeah, yeah, XT60s and XT90s. Like if you're gonna design the card like that, why don't we just use these? Do you think these things are sick? Very chunky. These things are great. And they like won't, yeah, yeah,

J5 says the XT60 connector can do 30 amps at 500 volts. Yeah, why don't we just use that? Cause like, yeah, you're gonna have the same issue where if it's not connected properly or whatever, then you could like yeah, you're gonna have the same issue where if it's not connected properly or whatever Then you could know you won't have the same issue because you've just got two giant pins Just fine really you can't have you can't have one pin have a bad connection There's a good amount of space separation between those two. Yeah, why don't we just use that stuff?

Cami Hudson says xt60 is used in my solar panels. They can carry a lot of power. Yeah! Okay there. All right there. That's the LTT solution. We're gonna move away from the old PCIe connectors. We're gonna move away from 12 volt high power. We're gonna move away from... We're gonna move away from all this stuff, and we're gonna go to XT60s. We're not gonna have protections on it anyway, then we might as well just have a big ol' I mean look, why don't we just go for a wall outlet? I think it would look kinda cool. Let's just plug it straight into the wall.

I mean there was tons of memes about that. Yeah! Like tons of them, especially if you can plug that wall outlet in on the back of your computer. And you know when they have these, like, you know know bridging PCBs like they do on the dual flow through design you could move the the plug lower in the case. Tynan says you're still in trouble Linus because the current into a 5090 is like 50 amps. Okay Tynan I will see your 50 amps and I will raise you

one XT60 connector. Dual XT60 connector. It's almost like we had a solution for this before, where you just have multiple connectors if you need more current. We could also just go to XT90. How many amps can XT90 do? Hold on, XT90. That thing is, that thing is chonk. That thing's chonk. Are they safe for, ah, ah! The rated current is just 40 amps. However, the response on ESK8 forum says, I wouldn't worry about drawing more than that. The XT, oh, someone else says they're spec'd at 90 amps for the applicable RC power range,

which is generally low voltages of 11 to 24. Okay, so why don't we just go to XT90? We could- What about something like speak on? Have you seen a speak on connector? You're gonna have to give me the spelling. Speak on, one word. Oh, okay, sure.

I think I found it. I mean, yeah. And they just twist lock in and click? Let's go. And you can get professional ones. These are actually huge. For $6.25. These are enormous.

No problem. These are so big That'll be your 6090 Let's connect a water hose to my graphics card pretty much. I just I don't know man. I Nvidia might have some defense for this I don't know what it'll be but I just don't I just don't see how after all this drama It just didn't seem obvious that these are fragile little pins and we just like shouldn't.

And again, I'm not an engineer. But it just seems obvious. And it's one of those things where not only does it seem obvious, because sometimes science is a funny little b***h sometimes, where something can seem very obvious to the layperson, but when you get into the actual science of it, that seemingly obvious explanation is totally stupid, right? But not only did this seem obvious at the time, but it has worked out that it was bad.

We have seen in the real world that we should just, can we just... stop? Is that an option? Like maybe Nvidia could just... this would be a great mitigation. Nvidia could call up all their partners tomorrow and say, Hey, f*** it. Put whatever power connectors you want on the new card designs. Yeah. We're over it. We're over it.

So they can, they can keep this with their FEs, but everybody else can move on? Yeah, because every power supply still needs to have PCIe power connectors on it for older GPUs and for AMD GPUs. AMD hasn't adopted the standard and neither has Intel, who maybe even is a relevant player at this point. Maybe. So two of the three relevant players in discrete GPUs have not adopted the 12 volt high power or 12 volt 2x6.

So like it's not like we, the whole industry moved on and oh my goodness everyone who bought a power supply in the last couple of years is, it's a brick now because they're not going to be able to plug in the RTX 6090 or whatever, no, everyone still has PCIe power connectors. So, so, so Nvidia just, they could call up all their partners and just say, okay, forget it. Use whatever you want. We're gonna do our thing or whatever

because all the power supplies still support this connector or better yet, we could just not. Sorry that we were such control freaks about this. Maybe we shouldn't have been because this like honestly didn't work out too good. Speaking about calling people. I called the guy. You called the guy? I did call the guy. So I made some notes. I made some notes and look look the guy is under no obligation to help me with any of this and it was extremely gracious of him to give me some of his time. You know, not everything that he... I wouldn't hold him to anything that he said, but he definitely gave me some valuable, valuable information. So the first thing he told me is that this particular vessel has been for sale for, he thinks, possibly much longer than 23 weeks.

That ain't a good sign. Yeah. Especially if you factor in that it supposedly got a complete refit in 2016 and was nicely updated in 2022. That seems to suggest that very shortly after it was nicely updated, they attempted to sell it, which either tells us that the update didn't go so good, or it tells us that they updated it to sell. Which is not, I mean, you've shopped for a house before, as have I.

Tell me this, riddle me this. Do you want the house that got an update to prepare it for sale? No. No. What did you cover up? Why did you cover it up? Why did you paint it? Yeah. What is that paint hiding? What is hiding under there? Show me. Okay, so that isn't good. The other challenge that he brought up to me is, okay, so he also validated that my assumption that part of the issue with this ship is that anyone who can afford a vessel of this magnitude,

like here, here, look, guys, just for perspective, okay, I know 123 feet doesn't mean anything to a lot of you because you're European, you sensible units, right? So let me put it, let me just put it in context, okay? The size of this, of this vessel, see these, see this up here? See these little like yellow and green things up here? Those basically dots? That's this. That's a whole like barbecue area. This thing is freaking huge. It is enormous. And he validated for me that my assumption that part of the issue with

selling it is that anyone who could afford the upkeep for this thing could afford a newer ship and He also pointed out even though I hadn't really thought of this that anybody looking to charter a vessel of this size with that kind of budget They might want something newer too now I think we could get around some of that if the idea was that we reno it, we like turn it into the gaming yacht.

I think that would be a pretty unique selling point and people aren't gonna check if it was built in 1990 or 2090. I don't think it'll really matter if it's got all that stuff on board. I would care if it was built in 2090. Well, okay, yeah, fair enough. I would care a lot.

I meant like in the future. I would charter, yeah, fair enough. I would care a lot. I meant like in the future. I would charter that boat, I think. That's fair. So the point is just that, you know, it could impact not only our ability to sell it when we're done, but it could also impact our ability to get any revenue out of it once we've finished our renovation.

So we might end up, you know, buying this thing as a project and just completely being out that money with absolutely nobody wanting to use it. And I gotta be honest with you guys, does this look like tanned skin? Do I look like I go outside, hang out on the water? Like I'm not really a boating guy. Right.

Okay, here's another sort of rough number that the guy gave me. He goes, upkeep on a ship this size, they kind of say 10% of the value, but let me put it this way. That ship is listed for about 1.6, 1.7 million US dollars, and that's annually, 10% annually. So it's listed for 1.6, 1.7 million US dollars. And you'd have to have at least two to three crew on it. And if you wanted to have like guests on board, it'd probably be more like five. So you've got your captain, you've got an engineer And if you wanted to have like guests on board, it'd probably be more like five.

So you've got your captain, you've got an engineer whose full time job it is, is to like take care of this ship. Keep the boat running. You have at least one more. And then for charters or whatever, you'd need a couple for you know, serving and cleaning and stuff like that. Right, it's practically a floating like. Hotel.

Like yeah, presidential suite. Yeah. Like it's huge. Yeah. So I think you guys probably have figured out like, yeah, presidential suite. Like, it's huge. So, I think you guys probably have figured out the problem with that math then, because 10% of 1.7 million US dollars would be 170,000 US dollars. For five staff.

For five staff. Have fun. Also don't forget about regular cleaning of the ship itself. I'm not talking like cleaning the rooms. And painting pretty often. and you know dealing with it anytime something breaks so 10% of the value yeah that's probably based more on 10% of the value like when it was valued like it was new you know not like today so you could easily easily be be spending, you know,

30% of the value of this thing, 40% of the value of this thing a year, depending on whether something goes wrong. There's another big problem. Are you waiting for the part where I talk about the good stuff? I know, I wanna know what the next big problem is. Okay, all right.

I feel like there's more than one more. Yeah, so the next big problem is that it is a hundred and twenty-three feet long. Why is that a problem? Where the hell are you going to park- excuse me, I mean, moor it. Uh-huh. Right, it doesn't come with that, right? Well, it could, it could. He said he would reach out to the guy and find out- the other guy and find out if mooring is included. But what I can tell you now without naming anybody is I looked on the website of the place where it is moored today and I'm going to change a few details just because I don't to like, out a particular organization and their particular policies. But in order to even qualify to have a conversation

about mooring my boat there, I would have to have... Do you have to join the yacht club? No fewer than four references. Whoa. Who can vouch for me. Wow. And I'm changing some numbers and changing some details because I don't want you guys going and bothering any... One of the most confusing things about obscenely high society to me is how many

people are in it. Yeah. That's the weirdest thing. Yeah. You drive around BC and it's like, man. That's a nice car. What an incredibly high amount of like three to $10 million homes. Three to 10 million, please. Let's go have a look at, let's go have a look at Shaughnessy, a neighborhood in Vancouver, British Columbia. Here we go, boys. Oh boy.

Meet Shaughnessy. In this neighborhood, three to five million dollars would buy you nothing. I feel you should Realtor.ca it. Try thirty to fifty million dollars. Thirty to fifty. And it's a whole like huge portion of the city. Look at all of these. Yeah, like okay you can actually, you can see it. Oh it's massive. You can see it from way out here. Cause you got your actual like downtown Density you're like high rises and all that you got your like urban You got your urban density, and then you've got this that basically looks like like freaking

What would I even compare to yeah, it looks like like Delta? Yeah, you know, but it's just right there in the middle smack in the middle I've never looked at this. I don't know if I've ever been to that area Maybe driven past it. I have a relative that lives near there and when I say near there I don't mean on one of the big plots I mean like in the dense-y parts around it in the city and so just for lulls once I was like We should go we should come on We should go drive through we should go traffic dude look how many of these places have pools

Look at the percentage of poolage here We're in Vancouver and as someone who owns a pool. I know there's some private tennis courts That's always a good sign as someone who literally owns a pool, I will tell you, owning a pool in Vancouver is fucking stupid. Yeah, kind of. For the percentage of the time that you can actually use it out of the year, the amount of maintenance and cost is fucking stupid.

Like it's actually stupid. And look at this, look at this neighborhood. Oh yeah, right, so it's not just the pool. I mean, what is this? What is this? Man, oh, if I bought this place, I would complete it. We'd have the square, the circle, the triangle, and the X. I would fix that up for them real good. What is it? Is it space or shift? I can't remember. Space, middle? I can never remember how to get to the other view on here, Ben, but like, man, these places are friggin' wild.

Like if you have, you know, a tennis ball court behind your house and you're in Vancouver proper, like this land, this land right here for this tennis court is worth millions of dollars. I was gonna say that alone is worth millions for sure. It is a millions of dollars tennis court Sure flippin wild dude No, it's not that one. It's the it's the like change the camera angle one. I can never remember there it is Hey, oh, yeah, dude, so that gives you just like density differences wild. Yeah compared to like right next to it

Huh look at this you just cross cross Arbutus and it's like, yeah, we like our privacy. We like all our trees Look at this. Look at this. Wow Glencroft house. What else is in here? Ah, yes, Canuck place. Actually, that's a good organization Singdock Monastery Association. Very best, very best roof. What is that? What is very best roof? Roofing contractor, five stars. All right. Well, I guess they have the very best roof. Good for them. How did we get onto this conversation? You guys want to see some Shaughnessy houses? It has something to do with the yacht.

Oh yeah, that's right. I was talking about the tech yacht. Oh! How many people you need to know to get your mooring. Oh yeah. And then I pointed out that it's crazy how many incredibly rich people there are. That's the thing that always surprises me. What do you mean? Okay, do you guys want to see some houses in Shaughnessy? Do they care? Are they still into just like our overpriced real estate?

I think it's funny. I think it's really funny. All right, cool. Let's do it. Let's do it. Here we go. Realtor.ca I know this is super generic, but I showed I showed Emma recently some some Texas mansions that are I would like make a lot of money selling my apartment and buying. Oh yeah.

And it was just like, what the heck? Dude, there is not a single house for sale in Shaughnessy right now. Do they sell it in some other way? No, no, no, no. Do you have to like know people? No, normally there's definitely stuff in here, but this is, it's not loading anything.

No, that's not in like the rich part of Shaughnessy. No, there's like, yeah, this is nothing. That is very surprising to me. Do I have filters on or something? I don't think so. You know what it is though? You know what I bet it is? There's been, I wouldn't call it a crash yet,

but there's certainly been a correction. There's been a downturn. Yeah. There's been finally a correction in Vancouver Real Estate. And even as someone that is significantly invested in Vancouver Real Estate, I have been rooting for this for a long time because it is not good for our society, for nobody to be able to afford somewhere to live. It is deeply broken up here. Yeah. It hasn't gone down enough yet, but it has changed a little.

And people who own 25, 30, $40 million houses are the kind of people that aren't necessarily under any pressure to sell when the market isn't good, when the market's not right. So if I had to guess, I would say that nobody is selling right now in there because- I think we've got some. Oh, we've got one. I think this just wasn't working.

Oh, what's wrong with myrealtor.ca then? I'm not sure. Well, here we go, boys. I've got a few. 1263 Balfour Avenue 26 now these are Canadian rubles. So like 30 bucks, but still. So so we're looking at about 17 million US dollars 16 17 million US dollars. Only fairly recently though. Last year, year before would have been a lot more. I too like a glass vessel on my table with a lazy Susan. I prefer that.

Look at this room. What color would you like it? Wood. How much wood? Yes. Like it. Okay sure. If they had more plant instead of one plant I think it could work pretty well mm-hmm oh yes sorry this one the indoor also has a pool but we didn't like it outdoors because the indoor hot because Linus said it was fucking stupid so we put it indoors where we can use it all year round oh man Oh, man Geez it looks like it's you know in the country or whatever Yeah, but this is this is in the city city. Yeah, how much land do you get for? 26 million or whatever that was. Oh Just like like land land. Yeah, what's the lot? I don't know depends. Oh shoot. I missed that

I Yeah, what's the lot? I don't know, depends. Oh, shoot, I missed that. I don't remember. Compare that to a $17 million US super mansion. Yeah, dude. Oh yeah, dude, Vancouver is... Comparing it to like... Pretty rough. Yeah, like almost anywhere, man, it's crazy. Okay, get this.

I don't know how we're all still here. Get this. Okay, yeah, you're not looking at it. Okay, how big. I don't know how we're all still here. Get this. Okay. Yeah, you're not looking. Okay, how big do you think the lot is? From my perceptions, it didn't, it looked like it was a tight wrap around the house. I don't think it was a huge lot,

but I could be completely wrong. Let's say 9,000 square feet. Oh, oh no, you'd be pleasantly surprised. It's more than that? Oh yeah, yeah, you'd be pleasantly. How big was the house? The house is over 10,000 square feet. Well, okay.

That is an enormous house. So I think part of the problem of your perception or your ability to estimate it here is that- That's a massive house. We only saw a few of the rooms. Right. So you didn't really have anything for scale. And that's an old neighborhood.

Those are big trees. Right, right, right, right, right. So you didn't really have anything for scale and those and that's an old neighborhood. Those are big trees Right, so you didn't really have I think a sense of the proper scale of this house. It better be an acre It's not an acre somebody says two acres. It is not two acres I would I would think it would be a stretch if it's more than 15,000 square feet. Okay, Dan, what do you think? I'm gonna probably say half an acre. This is half an acre. All right Luke is the closest without going over. Well, it's 17,900 Square-foot half an acre about 20 something. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, maybe a little bit

He said without going over so it's not really fair. I think it's pretty yeah. Well, it's always prices right rules I don't make the rules. I don't make I think it's pretty close in between.. Well, it's always price is right rules. I don't make the rules. I don't make the rules. I think it's pretty close in between ours. Bob Barker makes the rules. Anyway, that's been listed for 84 days. So clearly nobody's buying it for that price, but it also is not outlandish for what you see things priced for in that neighborhood. It's flipping wild, dude. It's flipping wild.

All right, what else we got going on today? Some merch messages. Ah, yes, merch. If you guys want to interact with the show That's the perfect way to do it. We don't really do twitch bits or super chats. We do merch messages They will go to producer Dan. Haha. We brought him back who will oh Who is gonna be getting a lot of merch messages today because the keen eye among you will have noticed this already a lot of merch messages today because the keen eye among you will have noticed this already, but we launched not one, not two, but three new products today that are similar to but legally distinct from some inspiration that we got from a small software company. Not small in a literal sense, small in a naming sense.

Like almost like maybe a little bit bigger than Nano. Yeah. Yeah. Bigger than Nano but smaller than Dessa. Yeah, real small. Small software company. We've got what we're calling, hold on, hold on, here we go, here we go, what we're calling the... Do we have a name for them? Sure. Okay, yes, yes, yes, we've got names. Good. Okay. So, each of us is modeling one of our three new shirt designs,

starting with... Doors! shirt designs starting with doors. So if you look very carefully you'll notice that these are in fact doors. They actually have little handles on them. Of course they do because they're doors and not... You would need one on a door. Because they're doors and not windows and how else would you open them? Yeah. Okay so we've got the doors design which I am going to be modeling for the rest of the show. We've got the brick design. There you go. Comb that.

Hold on a second. My notes went away. I accidentally bumped them. We've got the... Oh wait, we call this one maze. That one's called maze. Oh yes. And we've definitely added something to it. There's a kitty. What?

Did you notice the kitty? Oh! Amazing. Get it? We're really good at this. So there's a little kitty that's there sometimes. Is that the only one? Oh, there's more!

Yeah, there's a little kitty here. Little kitties. They're there. They're in the maze. That genuinely adds a lot more! Yeah, there's a little kitty here. Little kitties, they're there. They're in the maze. That genuinely, that adds a lot. Yeah, so there's a little kitty. That was a Lisa innovation, if I recall correctly. That's fantastic. Transformative art. Yeah. On my left shoulder?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure there's a kitty somewhere there. Yeah, oh, little kitty. Oh! Got a little kitty back there. There we go. And then we also have the pipes party shirt. So Dan is modeling that one. Let's go If you look closely you might find some fun Easter eggs in that one as well, but we'll let you guys sleuth them out Not only are these s-tier conversation starters, but they're made of a silky soft

Breathable viscose fabric for all the comfort. They are available now at lmg.gg slash screensaver. And I've got a little video to show you guys too. What, we've got a video? Yeah, we were supposed to play that first, but we blew right past that. Oh, way to go Linus. Anyway, there's a... Sick.

Yeah, hell yeah. That looks like a real photo from like way back then. Oh my goodness. Oh, these all do. Okay, that's pretty cool. That looks that looks like a real photo from like way back then These all do Okay, that's pretty cool That's pretty these are great. Oh My god, that's so amazing. They did a really good job of making it feel like This is so good. Oh the red solo cups. Oh my goodness. Okay. All right Dan play the video. Let's do it All right, let's go back to you guys here

LTTstore.com! Oh man. That's fantastic. When they pitched these in merch meeting I was just like, yes. Now. Do it now. We'll also have some Floatplane exclusive behind the scenes of this photo shoot where we had a ton of fun building out a 90s style mom's basement set for the product shoot. I think you said we're gonna have,

I think they already have it. Oh. Yeah, it's up. Oh, it's up now. Yep. So there it is, it's up at lmg.gg slash floatplane. It's 25 minutes long, floatplane exclusive. People are loving it so far, 65 likes, zero dislikes. That went up, I guess, about an hour ago.

Yeah, cool, okay. Awesome, great job to the team on getting this product launched. Yeah, I guess about an hour ago. Yeah, cool. Okay. Awesome. Great job to the team on getting this product launched Yeah, I'm super stoked. I don't want to I don't want to be like that about it. But guys we have no idea How long this product will last? Yeah We have no idea if we will ever be able to print more of them It's possible. It's possible. It's possible.

That a really small. I mean, these are doors. Software company. These are doors. Could. I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on. These are doors. And there's kiddies in there.

That's true. There's kiddies in there. I found the one on my shoulder. It was up here. I thought they were saying it was like on the back. Dan's is just a depiction of the internet. Like my collarbone. That's just the internet. So I don't is a series of planning to get sued by Dan flashes But I'm just I'm just saying I'm just saying that it is possible that if you want

It's too complicated a conversation starter party shirt. It's very similar to the original party shirt So if you if you guys liked that one, this is that, but with a very, very cool modern design. Yeah, you should probably just order whichever ones you want and do that. All right, what else were we supposed to, oh right, we're supposed to do some merch messages. So, you go on the store, you type in your merch message in the cart, and it will go to producer Dan,

who will read it, pop it up down here, or even carried it for me and Luke to respond to. So Dan, you got a merch message or two for us? I do. Watch the behind the scenes video for the screensaver shirts. Do the older staff sometimes find it hard to relate to the younger staff? What do you do to try to keep yourself up to date with the current meta? Meta is an interesting choice there. League player. Elijah hasn't watched The Lord of the Rings. I don't like learning things about that man. He hasn't seen it.

He knows a lot of iconic moments and stuff because of memes. Meanwhile, my family's starting our marathon this weekend. Yeah. So it's not just that there were different movies, because I think when we were kids, our parents definitely listened to different albums and they watched different movies, but they definitely listened to albums

and they watched movies. With some of the younger people that are joining the company now, not all, but some of them, they literally don't watch movies, like a whole movie. Hmm, I've never heard of that. Oh dude, it's just. I'm probably very disconnected. It's just not their medium.

The youth, so. It's not their medium, yeah, Artie. Artie's in the chat right now, meee! It's a thing. My only exposure to the youth, really, is when I go to the gym. Sorry, you mean watch one thing for two and a half hours? Luke, that has been a terrible experience

every single time. Yeah. What was I gonna say? Yeah, can't they just sit on their phone while they watch though? Don't they like watching two things? Like I would think movies would almost be a good medium for them. But then you're...

But that's just one thing. You sit on the couch and on your phone while watching the movie. For my doom scrolling. No, because movies require a level of cognitive engagement. I don't disagree... Sorry, I disagree. You disagree. Yeah.

As someone who grew up with their computer in the family room who would leave one ear off so I could listen to the movie and watch sometimes during certain points and play games the other bit. Okay, so I think there's a lot of movies that you could kind of enjoy like that like if you're watching Good Burger, sure, fine. There's a lot of movies like that. This is true. Actually if we look at recently released movies over the last, honestly, six years, that's the vast majority of them. But we started this conversation with The Lord of the Rings.

The Lord of the Rings you gotta dial in. That's not a- You gotta focus up. Now what about reading the books? It's important. We talk about them not watching movies. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

But first, no, I would make the argument that if you want to have any flipping idea which one of the hobbits is the one that's obsessed with food and which one of them is the loyal one and which one cries a lot or whatever, you have to be somewhat paying attention because Lord of the Rings has a lot of characters.

I will agree. I will agree with Lord of the Rings, yeah. I would want someone to pay attention. My firstborn didn't make it through the Fellowship of the Ring. Oh How old was he when you try to do it? Ah about a year ago. Oh With that said I probably made a significant tactical error did you over promise I Gave him the extended edition. Oh They're worse movies. I'm sorry. I'm sorry

At least you have one less kid. We will definitely be worried about the extended. I and that's great and that's fine and I'm glad you love them, but They're pretty slow. Yeah, they're pretty slow. Oh Yeah, line is cancelled. Oh bloody hell, I knew it was gonna happen. I knew it was gonna happen It was prophesied. The books thing, yeah, I mean, I think we've talked about this. I started with the books, just to flex. So did I.

I think we've talked about this on, The Hobbit is what got me into reading at all. I didn't like it very much, and then. Hobbit's sick. I started going with The Hobbit. Tom Bombadil. I can't make it through Tom Bombadil. Best character.

Nobody makes it through Tom Bombadil. There's people hitting Ivy League universities that have never read a book Well, I'm pretty sure that's that's wild. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, the the the prof will give them their like reading assignment for you know, the first week or whatever What like and they're like what like the whole thing like sorry these days honestly, I don't they even say what they just you know feed it into chat tbt or whatever summarize this book for me, please. Thank you. I need talking points for an essay. Oh, good talking points. Please write that for me. Thank you.

I had to do Machiavelli. If you had never read a book before, imagine coming out of that and thinking that this was not a manual. especially as a business major everybody was like this guy's got some really good points I'm gonna do all of this yikes Macky Valley's in the new Civ game wait did we ever actually finish the tech yacht conversation I don't know you got you went on to like mega mansions. Uh, okay. Um related Okay, there's a couple more things that I just want to wrap up on the tech yet. Come back to this message Yeah, we'll come we'll come back to well, no wait. Did we answer this merge message? No, let's just finish the yacht and we'll come back and talk about this

back and talk about this. I told you it's gonna be a good show! I allowed this. I allowed this. It is my design. Go back and talk about your boat Linus. So the guy, the guy told me that yes it would be possible to haul it out of the water and dry dock it and work on it on land He called it. What do you call it on the hard? We could work on it on the hard. Oh Yeah, this guy's a boat guy learning the land luber makes me feel good I'm learning the lingo so we could work on it on the hard But he did say that it would be a lot cheaper to work on it. Just the water in it. Yeah say that it would be a lot cheaper to work on it just in the marina yeah because anything other than painting is probably cheaper to do in the water

because they're gonna bill you by the day that you have it in their friggin shipyard because the size of this thing you can't just like you can't just like put it on the side of the road and you know work on it or whatever. It is billed by the day. If you don't do it on the hard how do you paint the hull? That has to be done on the hard. Yeah okay yeah. Yeah. You said it would be cheaper or whatever. Well, you wouldn't work on the interior. Right.

Size of it, major impediment to moving it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he said that chartering, even if they decide to take your ship, like a charter company, they'll prioritize their own ships. And they're gonna take a bunch of money for managing it. So basically you'll be lucky to break even on a per transaction basis.

That's something that I found out on the plane side as well. Unless you're pretty much running your own company and your own crew, it's not really practical. So either way, I think the reasonable conclusion is that regardless of whether we go tech yacht or tech plane, we need more than one of them. Oh. So we'll have our tech fleet

and we can really take advantage of the economies of scale of having more than one. What if you- Well, you know a guy now. A bulk deal. It's like Costco, but for yachts. I think this yacht already is big enough to be the Costco pack. Yeah. It's probably about the same square footage. Yeah. When the, the, the float plane company, I don't remember what they're called.

They have a hilariously similar logo to us. I don't know if you've seen it. Um, they're in Vancouver. What are they called again? Um, in Vancouver. Harbor Air. That sounds about right. But then now I'm seeing a logo from them that looks really normal. And I've seen a logo from them that looks like our logo,

but just vertical. Would make sense for a float line company. It kind of would. But I don't see it now. But apparently, as far as I can tell, they make a pretty solid amount of their money from like commuters from Vancouver Island to Vancouver proper. So what if you did like small... you have to compete with them, they're very entrenched.

Yeah, that might not be a good idea. Yeah, no, I think I just won't do that. They seem like they're happy doing the thing. I mean, if you chartered it from here to Nanaimo or something like that, your prices might be less than BC ferries, but. Oof. And actually run on time. And you'd probably have better food.

Oof. You wouldn't be able to take your car though, although you probably can't do that very often on BC ferries either. They have triple O's on some of the ferries. That's not that bad. I don't mind a triple O's on some of the fairies. That's not that bad. I don't mind a triple O's burger. All right, what the heck are we supposed to be talking about? Is that it for the yacht? I think that's it for the yacht. Basically, ha. You know,

with how cheap it is apparently to fly from... Yeah, it's pretty reasonable isn't it? It might be cheaper to just like, get real estate on the island and then fly to work every day. Not bad. It's not expensive. Yeah. That's crazy. You'd have to park it. You'd have to park a car. How does that even make any sense? How can you like, they fill the plane? Oh, okay. That's not a solo flight. They're like timed departures. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. But it's just a ferry. It's an air ferry. Basically. Also known as a ferry. Get a half bell. That costs about as much as taking the normal ferry. Yeah, like Tynan pointed this out, like living in Calgary and flying to UBC

instead of renting in BC. There's a kid that did that. That's a real story. And it was like financially reasonable, which is completely absurd. It just shows like how broken real estate is here. It needs to like plummet. It needs to get to shore. Krasb says, how can Linus not know this? Because I don't commute via flow plane between the island and the mainland. Oh man, because I just don't know that. I've never had a reason to do that, man. I think I would move for like personal drone.

Like the flow plane thing, that doesn't seem that practical because with the Embarking and disembarking and the fact that they're probably dropping you off in like the Vancouver Harbor and all that Oh, it's wicked fast. Is it? Oh, yeah, the embarking disembarking is wicked fast You're not doing customs. There's no security. I mean you're not doing customs But there's gotta be security with your ticket and we the gate with your ticket. We did it. Really? Oh, that's right, you guys did. It's fast.

The whole reason of waiting is we showed up way too early and then stood around. Okay, define fast though, because I don't wanna commute more than half an hour. There's like, oh, I- I still gotta get in my car on the other side. I don't mean the plane speed. Get to the office.

You were saying embarking and disembarking. No, I mean, overall. Yeah, I know. The whole thing is I wouldn't wanna commute that. If I Get to the office. You were saying embarking and disembarking. No, I mean overall. Yeah, I know. The whole thing is like, I wouldn't wanna commute that. If I was in the office two days a week, or one day a week, I might consider living on the island. We don't, we just went around in a circle. We did the scenic tour.

We didn't fly to the island back, so I don't know. But what I would want is like the personal drone. Like the personal quadcopter or whatever. I think I would move for it. If you had a personal drone. And I could just land on my roof at home, land on my roof at the office. You'd put a like heli landing pad? I don't think the city of Surrey would allow it. I don't think Canada has made any meaningful progress on that. What if you made it so that there was like any meaningful progress on that. What if you made it so that there was like

horizontally opening doors? And you like landed in a bay. I do not even need that. So you're not landing on the roof. I'll just go down by a ladder. Like I don't need anything like that. I would just- No, but then you're not landing on the roof.

Oh, I just, oh, I mean, my issue is just the city of Surrey wouldn't even just allow us to do anything like that. There's no way our strata would allow us to modify our building. So that's, it's a non-starter, right out of the gate. Right. A strata for those of you- This is, I have an easy solution actually.

No problem. Okay. Crime. That is usually where it goes. In this case, it is that probably, but dressed up a little bit better. We got to bring back Linus Town. Oh my god. You can make your own law. Everybody is allowed to have a personal flying... It's part of our religion. Person drone.

Yeah, we're still going to need to follow like Transport Canada, you know, rules and stuff for air travel. And I don't think Canada... Sounds tough for them. I don't think Canada's made any meaningful progress on any of that. I think they've got some bigger things to deal with, with, you know, the Americans coming up here. Sounds like a good time to shoe in some opportunity. Geez. Speaking of shoeing in, shall we finish this merch message now? Yeah, what even was it again? I don't even remember. I watched the behind the scenes video

for your screensaver shirts. Do the older staff sometimes find it hard to relate to the younger staff? What do you do to try and keep yourself up to date with current meta? Keeping yourself up to date, honestly, a lot of the time is as simple as just talking to people who are younger than you.

Like I am often surprised by how disconnected the other parents in my cohort are of the friends of my children. And I'm not calling out anybody specifically. I'm just saying that like, you know, I'll be like, I set up discord for my kids. Like I set up accounts for them and I set them up with a server and I kind of showed them, okay, here's how you do some basic moderation on your server and stuff like that. And then I'll talk to other parents

and their kids are on Discord, they literally don't even know what it is. Like they're on Discord with my kid and the parents don't even know what it is. And I'm like, Discord isn't an algorithmic social media platform. We've discussed this before on WAN Show and we kind of agreed that while it isn't algorithmic,

so it doesn't have some of the same issues that something like Facebook or TikTok. It's definitely still social media. It's definitely still social media and you've got like nine year olds on there. And you know, you gotta be aware of what they're doing. You've got to understand these tools and just being around younger people

and knowing what they're using and what they're doing with it is extremely helpful. And that doesn't mean that I have to use all of it. Like I have never installed Snapchat because I don't need a messaging platform that deletes my messages when I'm done. I don't send anybody dick pics, which is the only reason that I can think of

that you would need that. Even if you did, there would be a better way to do it because it doesn't really delete it and they can screenshot it. Mail. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like post. Yeah. Do you think that happened?

That probably happened. Get out. That probably did happen. In the ye olde day. In the Polaroid days. I'm sure somebody, I'm sure somebody has mailed the Polaroid days for somebody that probably I'm sure somebody has Mailed a Polaroid of their wing and I bet you despite it being like They probably still didn't put much more work into it. It was probably still like

And then just mail it off I bet a page meet on the OAL chat room and just fax them And you know what? I think a big part of it too is that we cover tech for a living and that we game. Gaming has become so age agnostic and we used to think of it as a really bad thing, when you'd have like some kid on the voice chat

that's annoying or whatever. But now, I mean, it can also, it can still be annoying, but it can also be a good thing because it means you're not disconnected. Well, yeah, and depends on the adult too. Yeah. Blake Maverick says Snapchat is good for video calling between Android and iPhone.

There are so many solutions for that. You 1,000% do not need Snapchat for that. Yeah. Skype. Skype. Hey, we're wearing the old shirts. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah.

No, they used to be, at that point, they were their own independent company. Did someone say gaming? Yeah, but you don't count anymore. Yeah, Elijah, you're not even young anymore. You're like mini boomer now. Mid to late twenties. Ew. Yeah. Ew. Yeah, it's like 30. Don't fit that category anymore. All right. What else we got today?

I have a second merch message. You've got a lot more than a second merch message. But I have to read you a second merch message. You've got a lot more than a second merch message. I have to read you a second merch message. People are like these shirts. They are loving these shirts. They are loving these shirts. A second merch message has hit the bricks. What about second?

You hit the bricks. Get out of here. Hi DLL.DLL. I had to recompile MOF files to fix WMI in Windows this week to get some functions in PowerShell to work again. That's managed object format and Windows management instrumentation. What's the weirdest PC issues you've had recently? Hidden Office used yet?

I haven't used it yet, but I'm very tempted sometimes. I walk up those stairs and I see the RGB calling to me. As for the weirdest PC issue I've had recently. Oh dude, I'm sure there's something. Okay, it wasn't strictly speaking a PC issue, but I had an issue with my CarPlay yesterday where I was listening to music and it sounded like I was tuned into like

an AM radio station that like I was tuned into like an AM radio station that like I just barely had reception for. And I checked and I was on CarPlay. I was like, what is this? I'm turning off the car, turning off the phone, turning everything back on and connecting again, like fixed it. But I was like, I've never seen that before.

I don't know how that would happen. Everything else about CarPlay was working fine. So clearly the data link between the phone and the car was fine. The only thing that has started making my car feel like, ugh, and I can't tell if it's actually my phone or my car. Yeah. Because Emma's phone seems to connect to my car, no problem.

So it might be just my phone, but I'm having like Bluetooth issues. And that's actually pretty annoying at this point. But I had a, I have, I have, you know how I had that issue with my phone that I thought was just me and it turned a bunch of people in chat had it where like when I would unlock my phone, it would just open the YouTube app

and open shorts immediately. And I was like, what the heck? I have another weird conspiracy theory, but this time I doubt even more than anyone else is running into it. Very, very close to the 5,000 series GPU launch. There was a driver update that I installed. And now if I'm like playing a game,

videos in browsers will have major issues. Like the video will stop playing, but the audio will keep playing, or it will entirely stop working and then have to load for a long time and then finally pop back in. Have you tried turning off hardware acceleration? I've tried a few different things. It's uh it's upset. Turning off hardware acceleration usually helps but then like you're turning off hardware. Yeah which kind of blows. Yeah. Willing Spy pointed out there was that RAM that didn't want

to train for a long time the other day. After the stream. There is more people. How does this keep happening? I don't know what that is. It's, this issue is not new. Nvidia had drivers that exhibit this behavior before. Oh.

All right, there you go. I've never experienced it. So the RAM did train and we did get 256 gigs working in that AMD system at apparently 5,200 mega transfers per second, which is pretty darn impressive. And I don't know, the whole thing didn't make any sense to me, like during script review, I was like kind of annoyed with David for bringing me an AMD build that had,

that was using CU DIMMs, because CU DIMMs are a technology that only Intel supports and AMD platforms, you can use the DIMMs in them, but they just run in bypass mode. They don't even use any of the special tomfoolery that's supposed to allow them to go faster. And I was like, yo, we're going to look like idiots. But he's like, no, no, Asus and Kingston like work together specifically on these specific DIMMs and this board to like high capacity, whatever, higher speed. Yeah.

Well, Asus sponsored the stream and they wanted to show off these DIMMs cause they like did this work anyway. It did ultimately work at 5,200 apparently after the stream, so that's pretty cool. I had a couple couple people say that apparently it'll switch over to Bluetooth LE mode, but my understanding is that the iPhone still doesn't do Bluetooth LE. iPhones don't support LE audio, sadly, as the first result here.

LE audio is a new standard, or blah blah blah, Feb 2024. Is this something Apple will be introducing? Yeah, I'm not aware of Apple actually supporting audio over Bluetooth LE, but maybe you guys can let me know if I'm mistaken on that. As a follow-up to chat talking about the issue that I had, apparently just everybody has it, every version, somebody with a 5,000 series GPU has it, somebody with an AMD GPU has it.

It seems to just be all over the place. Cool. Yeah. It's not LE audio, it's a different bitrate for call kit. Okay. Does sound like a Bluetooth glitch. Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if it's a Bluetooth glitch, but it was definitely trippy because I felt like I'd gone back in time.

It really did just sound like a badly tuned AM radio. It was wild. All right, what else we got for today? Dan, you got another merch message for us? Nah, we just, let's do another topic and then we'll head into sponsors. We've got this announcement here. Should we do this now?

Oh, sure. We recently built the ultimate sleeper gaming TV. It's pretty sick. It's got a PC with an RTX 4090. It's got a Wii U embedded in it with a spot for the sensor bar to mount at the top and a little flap that comes down so you can load disks in it. It's got a PlayStation 5 on this mount over here, and it even has a spot where a switch can go in at the back. And I mean a Nintendo Switch, not a network switch. There's also a network switch, but that one's on the inside. I was gonna say, both sound very realistic. Full disclosure, the Nintendo Switch mounts a little janky, and that only matters because...

I wanna know if anyone wants to buy it. Because it's like super cool, but we don't want to store it forever? Yeah. So the bill of materials for this thing is about $12,000. US. Is that right? It says US in the dark.

It's got an OLED TV in the front. It's super cool. It weighs a fricking ton, like, you know, a CRT would. It actually works great. The speakers sound amazing. So yeah, if anybody, you know, wants it, it would feel really sad. It's a Wii, not a Wii U.

It's a modded Wii U with an HDMI port, mini HDMI port. Yeah. Hold on. This is the frame I want. Don't you hate that? Okay, there you go. So there's the inside of it. It's got this acoustic dampening so that the sound is better and it doesn't vibrate or whatever. There's a couple little things you might want to do. I might configure a fan curve for those fans that are a little loud at the moment. But it's very cool. And we get people asking us all

the time like, what do you guys do with stuff when you're done with it? And the answer more often than not, unfortunately, is we take it apart because this may surprise you, but we also have a limited number of like top-spec GPUs and CPUs and stuff and we often need to reuse them for for new projects. So there's a forum post which Dan will throw in all of the various chats. If you are interested in putting a serious offer in, please go leave a comment on our forum post. And we can't ship it, just to get that out of the way. There is absolutely no way that we would ship it. So, if someone wants it, then yeah, good luck with that.

What else we got? Oh yeah, we're gonna do a couple of topics. YouTube is apparently the new television. Our source here is the YouTube blog. In a blog post reflecting on 20 years of YouTube, CEO Neil Mohan revealed that TV is now the most popular device by watch time for YouTube viewing in the US. And, according to Nielsen, YouTube has been number one in streaming watch time in the US for the past two years. That, even though I live and breathe this, this is my entire freaking career and my company, I still find that extremely surprising. Genuinely stunning to me. I don't know, like, I don't know. It doesn't seem right. I can never remember how this horrible new dashboard works. It might just be so deeply based around like the fact that if you're watching on your phone,

you're probably watching short content and they're strictly going off of watch time. Yeah, but like, I mean, you sit there for a long time. Yeah, but you might leave YouTube running on your TV and you would like walk away and stuff, the background noise type situation. I'm watching on my TV YouTube app right now, wild. I'm trying to, man, I have such a hard time.

This new dashboard, which isn't really new anymore, but it's just, it's gotten- What is that? So this is the comparison metrics. Whoa. So more metrics. I'm trying to look for device and I- Is there a search? No.

With that many things, you'd kind of- In screens, clips, revenue, members, interactions, live, I can never, I figured this out at least a dozen times and then I've had to re-figure it out every single flipping time. It is published. Yeah, I don't know, view. Traffic sources?

View time hours. No, it's not traffic sources. And then there's, add a metric. Here we go. Yeah, it's gotta be, it's devices. It's some kind of, if anyone can find it, let me know. It's so horrible. Subscribers, comments, it drives me crazy. Drives me crazy!

I don't see it at all. Yeah, it's definitely in there. It's a thing. More? Oh, here we go, here we go. Maybe it's one of these. Player type, that might be it. YouTube main embedded, no, oh, for crying out loud. Device type, there it is. Okay, so watch time hours by device time. So we do not even sort of follow the trend. No, not even a little. We are not trendy boys. So maybe that's why it doesn't make any sense to us

because we are in a niche that really likes that computer. Yep. Wow. So here's last month. This is the last month that we have complete data for. And computer took the lion's share with a little under half of overall viewership. Mobile phone is next, TV, third,

and tablet bringing up the rear. This is probably about what I would have expected, which means I am solidly within our own private little echo. Okay boomer. Yeah, I guess You said it to literally all of them though. Yeah, I mean not literally all of them half of I guess half man fair enough Yeah Broadly to the audience as a bucket Okay boomer Yeah, pretty it's like the Sean is the version of boomer boomer

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I mean, we ran into some issues when we launched verified actual gamer as well. Like I remember one of the early ones, the game was really hard. And we had people sort of talking to us very respectfully actually about how that might not be great for accessibility. We were like, oh right, being good at video games is not necessarily necessary to be an

actual gamer. But we, so the way that we got around that was we changed the game every single time because one of the reasons why we had made it hard that was we changed the game every single time because yes One of the reasons why we had made it hard initially was we didn't want people to be able to like do it too fast Or bought it. Yeah, slow people down and we didn't want people to be able to bought it. So Instead we changed it every single time. So body it would be Difficult. Yeah or pointless. Yeah So a human would beat it before you could code a bot to beat it was kind of the idea behind that.

But I mean, I guess it just highlights that there's always challenges. Like there's always a monkey paw, you know? You try to do something in good faith and it doesn't always work out that great. Verified actual gamer, I think we ended up losing money on it in case you're curious. Oh, I'm sure we did. Yeah, because we did sell at MSRP.

You include the development time. And we did buy them at less than MSRP. So, you know, theoretically, the gross profit on it was positive, but after we put all the work into it and after some people cancelled their orders and then they were lost in a warehouse for three years, losing value. Well that wasn't... Yeah, that wasn't that wasn't that was probably avoidable but I only found out about it a little while ago. Okay. Yeah, so that's pretty funny. Way to go team. Steam accidentally distributes malware. Generic looking free to play survival game,

Pirate Fi, Pirate FL, Pirate Fi, I don't know, which peaked at a concurrent player base of five. Nice. Sick. Was removed from the platform. Was removed from Steam after an update to the game containing malware was distributed on the platform. Valve contacted the affected players, roughly 800 to 1500 people who have downloaded the

game and strongly encouraged a full system scan using an antivirus or to consider fully reformatting your operating system. Ooh, discussion. Should digital storefronts do a better job vetting games and developers? No mention of the game exists from before 23 days ago. That last bit seems like it could have, you know, kind of been vetted, but overall-

It's also tough because what if you just don't want to develop in public and you just want to launch on steam? And overall I would say that in general steam has had very few malware scandals Considering how much data they dump onto people's systems Feels like they must have acted on this pretty quick and dealt with it pretty well pretty quickly I don't think we want a scenario where they're super heavy-handed. Honestly, the app stores right now are really... they've gotten better, actually. I think I'm carrying baggage from years ago when they used to be super annoying. Now they're a little annoying.

Luke's feeling a little emotional right now. It's okay, we need to give them space and we need to give them time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've gotten better, but they used to be a huge pain to deal with. So there's a kind of a happy medium and as much as I'll flag them for their 30% cut being a little ridiculous. They do do some work. They do do some work. Yeah. And the happy medium, I think, has been found on this. I don't think we should really change anything. Until we run into a bunch more problems. When that happens, I mean, given that Steam manages

to maintain a very low level of malware distributed by the platform by scanning initial game releases, maybe they just need to do that exact same thing with updates and then maybe this whole thing is solved. Yeah, sweet. Now this is pretty big. Maybe. Could be. Could is pretty big. Maybe. Could be.

Could be pretty big. The first major AI copyright case in the US has been decided. Thomson Reuters has won the first major AI copyright case. In a lawsuit filed in 2020, Thomson Reuters claimed that materials from its legal research tool Westlaw had been reproduced by legal AI startup Ross Intelligence. A district court ruled in Thomson Reuters' favor on Tuesday stating, None of Ross's possible defenses hold water. I reject them all. Importantly, the AI in question here is not generative AI.

It does not write anything itself. It only surfaces existing material in response to a prompt, making it essentially a search engine. This limits the case's utility as a precedent for other lawsuits against generative AI companies, like the one we're about to talk about. Meanwhile, the News Media Alliance, a huge collection of news and magazine publishers, including the likes of Conde Nast, The Guardian, and Vox Media has filed a copyright and trademark infringement lawsuit against enterprise AI company, Cohere, claiming Cohere uses unlicensed copies of content to directly compete with publishers and listed 4,000 specific examples

of verbatim regurgitations and substitutional summaries of new content. So, I realize that there is a difference between a search database and, you know, sharding out copyrighted content and a generative AI that trains itself on copyrighted content and then shards out something very similar. But it seems to me that if any of this holds up, it could basically stop AI development dead in its tracks in the US? No. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. It'll just make America lose.

And that's a really complicated question. Yeah, it sure is. No matter how you answer this, you're going to peeve somebody. Oh, 100%. What should they do? I have genuinely no idea, but what I do know is- Okay, let's make Dan unpopular.

Dan, what should they do? America just loses. Sorry, I have not been listening. Okay, should America enforce copyright in a way that is both common sense and legally sensible by penalizing, shutting down access to basically obliterating anyone who trains their AI on copyrighted material, which is as far as we can tell,

everyone who just plundered first asked for permission later or should America just lose the development race for AI? Because all this... They've already lost it to China so who cares? They're calling back. Well that'll be unpopular. Have you used the new Gemini stuff? Not the new Gemini stuff, no. Yeah.

Is it good or bad? Pretty good. It's all pretty good. I've always said that it's built on, AI's built on child graves basically. Stolen. Yeah, but it's already done. There's open source models. This is a problem. It's out of the bag, right? It's not even like slightly out of the bag. It is out of the bag and down the street. There's open source models. People are training on their own already. A lot of the libraries of pirated content have leaked to a certain degree. I don't know if I should say a lot. Some of the libraries of pirated content have leaked. And you have non-US companies competing very heavily with American

companies. So the only thing that this will accomplish is make it so that the companies that are worth using their tools for. And if anyone tries to jump in and be like, no, we would just use North American ones. No shot, no shot at all. You will capitulate immediately and use whatever thing is best. This has been proven a trillion times over.

There's no even point talking about it. So it just guarantees that countries that are not following your laws are gonna be the ones that win this particular race. So I don't know. We talked about this a long time ago, right? Like the same debate of like, oh, American lawmakers should pass laws to slow down AI

development. It's like, okay, now has laws to lose, like, that's the only thing that's gonna be accomplished, the whole rest of the world is gonna keep going. Everything now is global. The laws in your particular area are. They're interesting, deeply irrelevant to overall progress. But they're interesting. But other than that, I don't really know, I don't know how much impact they can have

on the direction the world is going. Yep. You think China's gonna stop developing AI stuff because some American companies get upset about copyright? It's over. It's done. It's done. I, I, R,. I IR FTW that said

then is copyright dead? And the answer is, it's complicated. It's what's the I saw this is not an original thought I I'm stealing this from someone but I don't remember who and I don't remember from where but one of the founders of Reddit pirated like a bunch of science papers or something and then got like some insane amount of years in jail and then ended up ending what's the what's the YouTube appropriate word for that? I think we can just leave it there. Okay. Yeah, yeah, sure. That's good. Yeah,

Aaron Schwartz. So like, that's how hard we were on stuff back then. And then we're going to let this go. That doesn't feel good. No, it really doesn't. That doesn't feel right. That doesn't feel right for anyone whose work was stolen. 100%. Including yours. Including mine. Yep. But like, what, what, what do you, if you think about chess moves, what happens as a result of this? That's where it gets weird. Yeah. Because it's like the-

I don't want to learn Mandarin. Yeah. I'm joking a little bit. But insert any other one, right? But insert anything else. What's that European AI company? M, their logo's an M, do you know, Dan? Not off the top of my head, no, sorry.

Be an AI company. This will probably find it. Anthropic? Mistral? Mistral, Mistral AI. I'm just reading chat. So like, you know, it's not just necessarily China that's gonna win, but there are big companies

making big moves outside of the US. And they're all using a pretty similar pool of data, which a lot of it is American. Yeah. In one particular case, yours. So if you copyright own the Americans, it makes it so the Americans can't compete, that in no way will stop the rest of the world from pushing on this. I mean, copyright law in general is pretty complicated. I remember there was a big case in I think it was Ireland where McDonald's could not prove the trademark towards Big

Mac. Oh, I remember this. Because there was already a restaurant. Wasn't there a little pub or something? Something that was called Big Mac or something like that. Big Macs. That had been there for longer than McDonald's had been ever. Ever.

Yeah. Yeah. So even doing that type of global trademark across the countries is not possible. Copyright and trademark is just such a complicated mess. It's wild. It's why we have a tech sack instead of a tech other word. The little sack that we have that you can put tech in. I don't like saying these people.

If you wanna get really meta. We just changed the name. I mean, the shirts that you're wearing, you know? No, let's not talk about that. Let's talk instead about this message from J21234. They pointed out that, how can you have a certificate of authenticity? This is from the Floatplane Chat,

that is signed by some guy who just like changes his signature whenever he feels like it. I will say both of those are great. They are definitely both by my hand, but I have, now that I sign more stuff, I have changed to this yeah yeah this takes too long yeah that's that's all I have to say about that sorry I can't believe you got by the way the

Lambo and the Lambo potato incredibly small amount of people accomplish that one probably I don't know I wouldn't be surprised. This looks well worn dude. This looks like they have been enjoying that $70. That's sick. Tuque. A loss of US based AI tech would cripple medical and scientific research if we have to continue with old methods while other countries research with AI tools. Our state and federal governments have started a ban on foreign softwares.

Yeah. I mean, this is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm saying. You're just making yourself lose, but then that doesn't feel good because it doesn't feel like justice because a ton of people were just ripped off to the tune of what should probably be billions of dollars and they'll almost certainly never see anything for it, which is like clearly not okay. Yeah. And I mean, realistically,

we're going to end up embroiled in controversy when people are asking four years from now, why we didn't raise the alarm about this. We knew. To be honest, yeah. We knew that AI was ripping people off. This one group knew. Why didn't they do anything about it? Why didn't we stop it?

Why did they only talk about it on their live show? Not everybody watches that, Luke. Big jerks. Not everybody watches that, Luke. Jerks. Not everybody watches that. But yeah, I don't know. It's weird. It's very uncomfortable, honestly, to think about. It doesn't feel good. I don't think there's a feel good answer here. It's do the thing that feels right and lose as a nation, as a country, as a society, or do the right thing and fade into the dustbin of history, essentially. Or do the wrong thing and try to stay on top. So do we do the wrong thing for the right reasons? Do the ends justify the means? Go, quick. But that's, yeah,

I mean... Summarize a thousand years of philosophy in one sound bite. Yeah sick. Good luck with that. Um be excellent to each other. Thanks Luke. Luke agrees with stealing from others. Oh god I do not. Amtrak demonstrates great taste encouraging CRT use on their trains. And our source for this is Amtrak. No need to hit pause when you ride with Amtrak. Remember the blissful rush of playing your Nintendo Switch in the backseat of the car, racing to snag one last power up before the battery ran out? Not a care in the world as someone else took care of the driving? Well there's good news. The technological wizards at Amtrak have created a

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Right? That was wild. What the heck? What are we even looking at here? This is so based. You should do it. You should host a LAN on a train. Fast Lander. The fastest LAN party. The fastest terrestrial land party. Floatplane Chat wants us to take the AIO TV. No. Definitely not. Tech Train? You can get a train car. People used to- didn't like really rich people used to do that?

Lots of people have been talking about that today. Really? Yeah. You can get a train car. There's like- I do not know a guy reasonable track in BC you don't know what guy I don't know a guy for trains I'm sorry we can't do it then we can't do it actually don't can't move forward unless Dan knows a guy I feel like by the end I'm sure I could find a guy that's the guy you'll know a guy yeah I'll ask around I'll ask my guys someone will get in touch with us dude imagine a train I think you have to pay for the tracks. Train car. Well, yeah, I would assume so.

I mean. Pay for the tracks? Well, yeah, track time. Like, you'd have to, it'd have to be all scheduled and stuff. The tracks are owned by people and you have to pay for them. It kind of sucks. But this, this like used to be a thing. There's got to be some amount of framework. I don't think it's a thing anymore, just because something was a thing at some point. I mean, I don't think I could find an ice harvester to bring me ice to store in my cave so that I can keep my vegetables chilly. I know of one.

Oh, I got a guy too. Do you need a contact? I don't need an ice harvesting contact. They're selling glacier ice. They're shipping it from Greenland to Dubai That is just so believable no, it's true. Yeah, I don't like current year at all. I never have I Want to go back to monkey I don't want to do this anymore I want to go back to monkey. I don't want to do this anymore.

Also in the floatplane chat, Grelwing asked, hey Linus, have you read the feedback on the sponsor spots in the Chinese PC's video? Yes, and we have actually removed significant chunks of it with the YouTube editor. So thank you for your feedback, and I have passed that along to the business team and we have dialed it back. Thank you. I agree that it was too much. Do you want to do... oh, there's literally nothing left for you. Why don't you do a couple merch messages? Because I gotta run to the washroom. And then we're going to talk about a company that reached out to me that actually had a very... Is it cool? It's cool.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Interesting. You got anything for me to do? I do actually. I've got a couple here. Sorry. I'm still going through some of the backlog. That's gonna be an interesting topic though, because they didn't reach out to him. They reached out to me.

Oh. And I was like. So he was just lying. I have no idea what this is. I'm gonna pass this one. Luke, have you tried creatine? Ever since I have started it, my recovery time is almost nothing. I've been using it beyond raw for about a year and it's been great.

Yeah, I even... I technically double dose it based off of some advice I got. So I take... Is it milligrams? Miligrams? Grams? Something like that. Usually you're supposed to take five of whatever it is and I take ten. Five grams, ten grams, yeah. Yeah yeah I like it seems good I feel like not everyone is a responder to it I feel like I am I think I actually am that's the only form of anything that I take I did the 20 gram loading and that was a

mistake see I do that and I have no problems no problems at all I'll like forget to take it for a week and then load again and nothing doesn't bother me at all I double dose it every day no issues whatsoever do you like drink it all in one sitting or do you take it over the entire day oh yeah just just fire back I am weak confirmed yeah it's just. I mean, no, it's a, it's a stomach thing. Some people are, some people respond very negatively to it, but still gain the benefits. Some people don't gain the benefits. Some people do gain the benefits and I seem to not respond quickly to it and, uh, do gain the benefits. So sorry, not respond negatively

to it and do gain the benefits. I tried to get more recently and that ended up being okay promoting personal fitness isn't very Canadian. What what? What? What are you talking about boosted? What I Don't know okay, I've got another one. Look at body break. A little bit more general. Mr. Tips Birdman AV Club. What's your memorable Valentine's day faux pas? Faux pas.

Yeah. Fox pass. For the Americans. Faux pas. Am I remembering how that works right? Somebody did a little social oopsie. Yeah. I don't know. I can't, I don't really care.

Nobody ever did in like in embarrassing for Valentine's Day? For me? Yeah, or something you know about, maybe, I don't know. I mean, usually, not to be all traditional about this, but usually I feel like it's me doing things, if that makes sense. Not the other way around. Not that I'm against that. I just think that's normally how that has gone in my history.

I don't know. I don't know. Forgetting? That's a really boring answer. That's a pretty big faux pas. Let's see if I have anything here in coming for you. I'm a left left me a little note in my lunch today that was cute. That's adorable. That's not a faux pas though. That was good. Hey Diela what's your opinion and thoughts on the NVIDIA Digits upcoming product? Do you believe it will be popular? Luke here's your chance to talk about AI. Oh, we did it. I mean, we've been talking about doing something in the office. I've put together a little super group of AI nerds.

And we've been discussing what we should do, because we want to have something in-house that people can use. Not only just for inline IDE assistance for the developers, but also just to get people more interested in it. I think like where I'm at right now with AI,

I've talked to her a fair bit on the show. I think a lot of people misuse it or like, Oh, I think it's maybe a little, I don't know if this is fair to say, but like, I don't know. I'm sure other people feel this way too, but like, I feel like I use it in a way that is good and that a lot of other people don't. You use it like a tool. How lame is that to say? Very self-centered. But yeah, like I, one use case that I've described to a lot of people is that I don't use it to write things for me

Effectively ever what I do get it to do is get it to try to interpret the things that I've written Because I've noticed, you know over time some massive percentage of communication is body language and a lot of business and just communication General is moving to text. So someone said the exact words sentiment analysis. Those are my keywords I have different various prompts that I use with that. But if I'm sending a message to someone, especially if it's a serious one, and I, you know, have the time to iterate through it, I'll write the message up, slap it in there, ask it for a sentiment analysis, and then, you know, I might tweak it from there based on what it says. And I might even ask it like, what would you change to try to like, you know,

shift this to be a little bit more friendly or whatever. And I might integrate its ideas, but in general, I don't actually have it right for me. And I think using it in that way, taking that type of thing and Grammarly does that, cool. I don't care, use Grammarly. Anyways, using it in this type of thing and Grammarly does that? Cool. I don't care. Use Grammarly. Anyways, using it in this type of way where you're like, you're not taking its output and submitting its output. That's where almost all the issues I have found with it lie are when people are

creating a result and just submitting that result. If you use it to do some of the steps for you, if you use it as a sounding board, if you use it as a form of thinking, but then you check what it says and you verify and you move from there and you use it as a research tool and stuff like that,

but it's not outputting the thing that you're submitting and you're checking the stuff that it's saying you can get a lot of benefit from it Like an actually a sounding board Elijah. We've already established this you're effectively a boomer now. You don't get to do that anymore It's over. I'm sorry But yeah, I don't know how do you use it Dan I kind of don't really I don't I don't use it at work. I don't really. How do you use it, Dan? I kind of don't, really. I don't use it at work. I don't really use it for much. I don't know if that's a problem or not.

I have just never really found a need that much. Sometimes I will ask it some very specific questions about which word I'm thinking of. Oh. But it's just like a dictionary thing. I'm more interested in like how they function. Yeah, I don't know. Think less of me for that.

Okay. I mean, I missed all of it, but I assume that's a valid option. It was like usage of AI tools. Do you use any AI stuff ever? Not really, no. Weak. I don't have a use for it. Not at the moment. I think you could. I think so too. I think a lot of people could. I think it's

just not in people's habits yet. I would expect it to be in mine. I just... I find I don't know. I don't decently often forget about it and then when I'm like, oh yeah, I should like use this stuff. I do, I'm a little bit faster sometimes. I like your idea of using it for sentiment analysis. Yeah. I think maybe. Cause sometimes I'll sit there and think about things and rewrite things myself, right?

And that can take a while sometimes. You do more of that than I do. That's fair. I feel like you could ask about some of the stuff that you do and it might be able to help. Maybe it might also suck a lot. Yeah. I don't think the stuff that I'm doing now, it can help with. You don't think it knows stuff about...

Although it could probably definitely help me with JavaScript stuff. No, but JavaScript. Yeah, it could probably... And JSON parsing and API. Oh, I asked it how the hell the Microsoft API works because the SharePoint API is one of the worst things I have ever encountered. I remember that brief period of time

that we were looking to like, maybe the whole company should use SharePoint. And then we started looking to SharePoint at all. We were like, maybe not. Maybe that's a no. So this is pretty cool. Remember that sport camera company that you linked me up with? I mean that was like this week or last week, so yeah. I mean I don't know what you do or don't remember so it's called play site and they

They handle a lot of different courts a lot of different courts a lot of different sports But one of the things that they've apparently done really well in is pickleball clubs This is not pickleball. I believe that's padel. That's not a ball either. This is also not a ball. Thank you for that. Either is that. Anyway, the point is that these guys actually seem like they might be a lot more legit than I thought. I'd never heard of them. Like I know, you know, Hawkeye and I know, I assumed that, you know, most major sports just kind of like had their own setup or whatever but apparently these guys are are into video streaming instant replay coaching and like strategy analysis particularly they apparently do really well in coaching automated production

really well in coaching, automated production. They're in a, like, whacked ton of different sports. Well, the main reason why it took me a while to get them to you is because I was going back and forth with them for a while, because they don't list badminton. Well, so yeah, they don't because nobody really cares about badminton in North America, sort of, except that, as we discussed on the call with them, it's growing really fast. Yes. So, he was kind of telling me that where a lot of their business comes from is, so I got on a call with the rep and he says, yeah, a lot of facilities just, they put in security

cameras and then they start getting players coming up to the front desk being like, oh man, I made like an epic save on that shot. Can I get the security camera footage? Can you get me the security camera footage? And they were like, so that's one of the things that we do a really good job of is you could just put a QR code on the side of the court. People could just scan the QR code, go into their app, and then they can download the last 30 seconds or whatever of the match. They can also apparently do instant replay, whether you use it for line calls or whether you use it just for like, I don't know Just like doing an epic instant replay. That's apparently something that they work on and

It could be kind of sick if there was like a screen on the court or maybe you just use your phone and like if there's A dispute you can just watch it back and we're set up for that So we have power and Ethernet between every single court with that we put there because we intended to have whether it was for scorekeeping or whether it was for instant replay or whether it was for whatever else. We have networking, we have power throughout the facility. And the way that it works is it's a charge per camera. And then basically, it's a charge per camera per year,

and you have to lock in for a term, but I didn't realize how big these guys are. Apparently they have thousands of clubs. Guys, is there anyone in chat, anyone in Floatplane chat that has used PlaySite before, like in a facility or for coaching or training or for a stream? Elthord asks, can you do local compute?

I doubt it, given the specs of the onsite server that they gave me. However, from my understanding, basically everything is RTMP or RTSP. And if we wanted to also do some like machine vision analysis on that video data. Nothing would prevent us from Multicasting it to their thing and to a completely separate thing Dan feel free to correct me if what I'm saying is stupid

Hmm What does that mean? He hasn't been listening. That's what I mean. When do I when do I not? All right fair enough What does that mean? He hasn't been listening, that's what that means. When do I not? All right, fair enough. He's trying to respond to merch messages. He's trying to do his job. See, yeah, nobody here has apparently used it, but these guys say they're in thousands of clubs, so I would think at least, okay, fine, you know what?

I'm leaving the confines of Float Plane chat, and I'm going to YouTube chat to see if anyone here has ever seen this. No, nobody's seen this. Nobody's heard of this. They're talking about SharePoint still apparently. Still? God, yeah, SharePoint's awful. Yeah, the second I said that about SharePoint, I was like, eh, there's going to be people fighting. Alright, well, brilliant. Apparently you can pay wall matches or tournaments. So if you have like a major tournament or something, then that can be a revenue source

if people wanna watch it. I find this to be, I don't wanna piss him off, but here, one sec. Oh, what now? Just a little website thing that annoys me. Okay, I'm on their website. I scroll down. Scroll down. Oh, there's a footer, never down. Scroll down. Oh, there's a footer. Never mind.

Scroll down. Oh, there's a footer. Never mind. Scroll down. Is this their blog or something? Oh, there's a footer. Never mind. Media. It's their media page. Oh, okay. Brilliant. Yeah. I was like actually trying to click something down there. I was like, ah, come on. Rysaw says, I think there's a very small overlap between tech people and badminton people. We're not talking badminton people though. They do like baseball and basketball. They have so many sports.

Yeah, there's like a ton of sports and they have like real footage of people playing those sports at what appears to be a reasonably high level. So. Think about how many arenas and clubs and stuff there is just in the States alone though. Oh yeah, no, for sure. Thousands, they're not saying tens of thousands.

Just the high schools. Yeah. Yeah. Palhaitis says, I think his point still stands. What point? The overlap between athlete people and dead people. I mean, come on, let's give ourselves some credit people. Does Marquez not count?

Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm talking about. You play badminton a lot? Yeah. I used to do many a sport. Yeah, I used to. You know, he used to. Back in the day. Back in my day.

Back in his day. Dude, we played this game called, we played this game called the voting game. Have you heard of it? I don't know, whatever. One of Yvonne's friends bought it on Temu or something. Basically, it just is full of cards that make a statement, and then everyone is holding a number, and they play that number anonymously, and the number corresponds to someone around the table that they

think matches the statement. And one of the statements was, they peaked in high school. I'd probably get a few of those. Yeah, anyway. It ended up being a very hurtful game. I'm sure. Overall. Yeah, yeah. I got, I got.

Yeah, what were yours? That I was, oh, gives awkward hugs. Really? was mine. And Yvonne voted for me. My own wife voted for me for Gives Awkward Hugs. She clarified, she was like, no, I don't mean in like a like creepy weird way I mean in like you don't like touching people and so it's kind of awkward when you touch people away I mean that lines up. Thanks. I've known you for like 15 years. I think we've hugged twice

Yeah, sounds about right. I think I can name them Yeah, it sounds about right. Yeah, I'm not I'm not much of a I'm not much of a physical contact guy in general. So when people... You started the elbow bump thing at conventions. When people... Oh, dude, that's my line now. When people are taken aback by the fist bump, I'm like, dude, I was a germaphobe way before it was cool. No. So when people like go in for the hug, I'm like, I don't know whether my arm goes this way

or my arm goes this way. I'm also like kind of a weird height because for a lot of men, I'm like in their shoulder. I have to like go like this to like, anyway. I'm trying to think if there's any other ones that were really uncomfortable, but there were definitely... oh, oh yeah, one of them was spends too much time maintaining their image on social media. Okay, well that was obvious.

Of course. Did anyone else get a vote other than you? Yes. Wow. They were... One of the moms. Oh. You know. Wow. They were- One of the moms. Cause the thing is honestly, and I actually maintain that that was the correct answer

because I spend, would you call anything that I do curating my image, please? Yeah, all of it. You have staff for that. Curating, see? And the question specifically was that I spend a ton of my time doing it. He spends the time undoing everything that everyone else tries to do.

This guy gets it. See he's like anti that bomb. Someone in chat called one of the two times by the way. Oh, where is it? Kuro identified it because one of the two times was at the roast. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other two time with the other time was when you tried to quit. Oh, okay. Three. Okay. Okay. I'm missing one. The 10 year plaque. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That checks out. That checks out the 10 year 10 year service award presentation. Wow, that is, you know what though? That makes them special. Yeah.

They really count. I don't care, to be clear, just in case anyone's like, ugh, like no, I genuinely don't. They really count. Okay, Brownstein says, come on Linus, everyone knows right arm goes up, left arm goes down, and hug. I didn't know that, I don't hug people.

Is that a thing? I think so. Is it one of those things like- I didn't know the rule I don't hug people! Is that a thing? I think so. Is it one of those things like- I didn't know the rule, but I think so. Is it one of those things like, which side of the sidewalk you walk on, where it depends what country you're in? Oh, maybe.

If I'm in Australia, or if I'm in the UK, do I go left arm up? I don't know! Maybe. People are saying, I didn't know that. He made that up. Yeah, no, okay, no, I don't. I go over the top with both arms says boosted.

Well, I wish you'd been there for the game because then I wouldn't have had to win that one. That's definitely awkward. Did you win anything else? Oh, a ton of stuff. I don't really remember a lot of it. That's fair. Let me see.

Let me see if my wife can remember anything. I definitely got roasted as much, if not more than anyone else. That much is certainly for sure. That makes sense. Hey, Nick. Hey, wife, you're live on the WAN Show. Can I ask you a quick question? Yeah. You sound in the middle of something.

Oh, I don't know, but what's up? Hey, when we were playing the voting game, can you remember any of the awful ones that I got voted for other than the awkward hug one? Oh man, um, I think you got voted for like who was the one that took the most recent selfie. Oh yeah, I did win that one. Okay, in fairness to me though, there was a very good reason for taking it. It was like a, no, it was, I was on set and I was testing selfie cameras compared to my daily driver phone. Like it wasn't because I was all like at the club and I was like, like I, come on, I don't, I don't know, I don't know if that really counts.

That's what I'm asking each other. You also got voted for like who was most likely to yell at you for putting garbage in recycling or recycling garbage or something like that. Yeah, I won that one. Yeah, I could see that. Okay, you know what? I think we're gonna, this is a good conversation. Thank you very much. I'll see you soon, hon. Bye. Okay, bye.

Bye. Yeah, I got voted. And the reason that I won that one was because the last time one of those people was over, I like moved some stuff that they had put away after they left it, like started resorting it. I am not like, I'm not militant about it or anything like that.

For me, it's more just that sometimes it really is no more work at all to do it properly. So in those cases where it is literally not more work at all. Oh no. I don't know, it just seems like not more work to put it in the right thing. And I definitely garbage and recycling,

I'm a little less fussy about, but when it comes to organics in the garbage, I actually do legitimately get kind of upset about that. Oh, well, that doesn't count. Yeah. Like, come on, don't put organic stuff in the garbage. I had this book when I was a kid. It was super cool.

I've never been able to find it again. It must have been like a really limited print, but it was called, it had an aluminum cover. And one of the first articles or one of the first chapters in it was like explaining or maybe it wasn't one of the first, but somewhere in it, it explained the process of like recycling aluminum and how the cover was, I had gone through that process. It was super cool. I really forget what it was called, maybe like Cabinet of Curiosities, maybe it was something else. No, I think that might've been a different book. The point is it doesn't matter. That sounds pretty sick though. It, yeah, it was a super cool little like science book.

It's a cool physical demonstration, yeah. And one of the chapters in it was about the decomposition of organic material, or rather the lack thereof in landfills, because it becomes an anaerobic environment with no light. You can dig a hot dog out of a landfill 20 years later and it will, like it had a picture of a hot dog that was like ancient and it looked like you could just barbecue it and eat it. Like it was, it was crazy.

And so yeah, definitely the design and engineering behind landfills is actually surprisingly very interesting. It gets me very upset though, to see organic material thrown into the landfill when it could be composted and reused. But anywho. What are we supposed to be talking about? No one cares about play site thing.

No one knows what the heck it is. So apparently I have to commit to a multi-year term in order to like even, yeah, they don't have a trial. Unfortunately, although I wonder if we BYO hardware, if they might be able to make an exception on that. Cause part of their whole deal is that they give you the cameras and the server, and then you sign up for a multi-year deal.

What if it just sucks? Well, then I guess you should have get good scrub Do they realize that if it sucks, they're probably gonna get like dragged. Oh They had no idea who we were really Yeah, he was explaining to me about like the specs of their server and how it has all their technology And I was like dude, don't tell me what technologies in a server, please specs of their server and how it has all their technology. And I was like, dude, don't tell me what technology is in a server, please. Well, remember too, whoever like watches LTT

is not necessarily gonna be in their sales department. That's another small overlap, like sales people and people who watch LTT. Probably someone they're new, but that isn't the person you reached out to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. AJ, the feature that I think is the hardest to replicate would be like the tips. They give you like feedback on your

gameplay, don't they? I doubt they would be able to do that for badminton given they don't even officially support the sport. They claimed they did. I asked this. Even the rep was like, yeah, we're looking to get into it. Yeah, I knew they would just lie to get on a call. That's so common. Honestly, it still looks like it might be, it might still be pretty good.

But I would- Sorry, AJ, we have enough work to do. I would really wanna try it. Yeah, yeah, that too. That too. I think we're still waiting on getting some of the other infrastructure stuff there, like prepped for land parties and stuff, like I don't think we're anywhere near

getting all the cameras hooked up. Dan and I are still going back and forth on what cameras we wanna use. Yeah, requirements are changing, I think. Oh? No, no, like from original, like we discussed this the other day. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they've changed

since the original requirements. It's just that the camera that I found that I really liked that met all of my requirements Dan found that their implementation Of our TMP was really bad. It was really disappointing, but we might be able to still use it Cook no, we don't want to do badminton video mass ingest and distribution through flow plane. No, no, we really don't It can't be that hard. He says no No, we're just gonna stream for free on twitch and I was gonna make that reference he beat me to it Okay, I

Think it's time for after dark. Okay. Sick. So we have a new thing and it's at the bottom of the doc where you have to read about the flow plane announcements. I do? Oh yeah. What's that? Where's that? At the, at the right above sponsors, right below the last.

Watch video. Okay. I can watch a video. Oh my God. Well, this is off to a good start. Oh, I guess we're going to need audio. This automatically looks amazing. I am so excited. Are you ready Dan? I think so. Oh.

What? What? What? Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Oh yes. Oh, here we go. Give me some food then.

It's perfect. It's alive. Oh my god. And it's Alex with Beacon Flow Playing. Get subscribed, here's the preview. What is the line in your opinion between janky and stupid? If it plays well and is amusing in a video, then it's janky? I have a 21-inch concert speaker that we got in for a while ago. It would be really funny to put it in the back of Linus' van.

I suspect that it would be large and powerful enough to literally blow out the windows. Wow, that was great. Please put in guitar sounds there, Sammy. Instructions uncled. That intro was genuinely amazing. He said it was his magnum opus. That's actually so good. 10 out of 10. Good job Sammy. Not only was the concept great, but Alex killed that. That was fantastic. We will have three separate videos dedicated to Alex as

you saw in the trailer, so make sure to subscribe at lmg.gg slash Alex 25. That was so good. Those are all coming very soon. And is this Alex at the top of the thing? Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. I can barely even- Oh, he's in the icon too.

I can barely even recognize him there. Okay, that's a little more, that's more recognizable. This is uncomfortable. Yeah, I think somebody's been doing that for a bit. Yeah, okay. Good stuff. The sparking paintbrush is absolutely aced here. Amazing. All right Dan time for After Dark. Sure sure let me get us switched over here. Dude I don't remember the last time we launched an apparel product that resonated like this. This has been spicy. Yeah

Poor Dan still has 15 messages and incoming. I Am just about Sheesh Is it dividing up like who do we have like a voting with their wallet? Yeah, like what's winning? Yeah Oh, oh, we should definitely guess before I look it up though. Okay. Okay, hold on, let me just get the dashboard open so that people aren't gonna have to wait too long here. You have to do rank, ranks voting, rank list voting.

Oh my goodness, okay, yeah, I can do that. No, no, no, I'm just saying, like, oh, I thought with us three, yeah. Yeah, no, we should do rank choice voting. Yeah, yeah. For which, or no, we should just have to, no, we should just say what we think our podium is. Okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. Okay. And are we guessing, are we saying which one we like better and seeing if we agree with the community or are we guessing which one sold better? I'm honestly, I think I'm doing both. You're going to do both? Oh, and you think it'll be the same? I think so. You believe that our community's tastes will be perfectly aligned with your own. Yep, me too.

Pipe, pipe. Interesting. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So everyone, everyone, okay. Zip it. We all, have you written it down? And two, I wrote it down. You're done already.

Okay, okay. So, and to be clear, they're all amazing. They're all great. Dude, you gotta do the thing. I wrote it. Here and that one. What? You're not gonna give him a ding for saying

the amazing shirt is amazing. He wasn't intending to. No, I did this. He did. Oh, sorry. Yeah, he gets a ding. You get a ding. I'm sorry, Luke.

Okay, okay. So, we all reveal our guesses. Let's have Dan go first. I'm going with pipe, doors, maze. Okay. Pipe, doors, maze. I differ. You differ.

You differ. Okay. So hold on, Dan. Dan is pipe, doors, maze. I could see that being correct, but mine differs. And Luke is? Do correct, but mine differs. And Luke is... Doors, pipes, maze. And in a massive surprise to everyone...

Doors, pipes, maze. I live in Luke's head, apparently. Wait, did you write down what you thought I was gonna say? No. Oh, okay. No, I just, we just, I don't know, it's it's like we just we order the same thing that restaurants that does happen It's a whole thing, you know I've literally had people ask me what I'm gonna order at a restaurant before knowing that Linus is ordered first and without

Looking at the menu. I'll just whatever Linus got. I'm sure it's fine. It's literally always been fine I'm a very safe food orderer Part of it. That is fair. I tend to just go with like, I don't know. What's a bowl that just like everything in it is sort of universally believed to be delicious. Just go with that.

It's a pretty good approach. Soup is so underrated. It bothers me. It can be a little hit or miss though. There is either top tier or absolutely weak. But I don't think it's that hard to make really good soup. No. Would you go to a restaurant and order soup? I have. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, sure. Like good French onion soup. Good French onion soup. Yes, please. Clam chowder, dude. Okay.

It can also be horrible though. I don't really do a lot of fish anyway so I wouldn't know both amazing okay all right 18 results hmm oh man this is broken down by size no no I think I can I think I can work it out I think I can work it out oh I don't know if I can work it out oh no okay I can work it out. Oh, I don't know if I can work it out. Oh, no Okay, someone's gonna have to do the math for me here. Do you want me to pull up the things and have a look? Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, I got you. I got you. Okay, so the various sizes. Okay, so doors you got this look I've got I've got six

23 24 29 I've got six, 23, 24, 29, 35, and 44. Okay, for Mays. No, no, we'll get all the numbers first. We'll get all the numbers first, because someone in chat will probably just do it for us anyway. Mays, I've got one. 14.

14. 17. 17. 18. Dan, I think, oh no, we all said that maze would be in last. Oh, okay. We did. So now we just need doors?

Pipes. Oh, we need pipes. Which? I gave you doors first. Okay, pipes, pipes. Okay Okay here comes pipes. Seven. Twenty five. Okay. There we go. Twenty seven. Whoa. Twenty nine. Whoa. Thirty one. Whoa. But it falls behind in the large size at 42 42

What it's the same they're dead they're tied That's no one is winners, that's wild. Dang it, nobody called that. No. Bloody hell. Okay. Wow. Well, that was fun. Okay, tell me this.

Incredible. Now, normally, and that's a joke, because normal curve, anyway, the point is normally, medium would be our, would be the peak of our bell curve. If you had to guess, would you say that this particular product skews more petite or more husky?

Bigger. Bigger. Bigger for sure. Bigger for sure. Average audience buying it would probably be older. Generally larger. I have never seen anything skew this heavily large. Yeah.

Large is number one, followed very closely by extra large, followed very closely by extra extra large, followed closely by medium, followed distantly by small. Yeah. All of them are like bigger bodybuilders than Luke because anybody that would buy this shirt would be just huge. Just chatted. Absolutely chatted.

Muscle bound chad. Or a short king, one of the two. Yes. Anyway, yeah, pretty interesting. So I guess we all get to be both wrong and right sort of-ish. Yeah, great job everyone. Good work. No trophies. What else we got today? Oh, more merch messages. Should we just get into some merch messages? Yeah, hit me Dan.

Let's see, we already did that one. Hi, LLD. Over the past years I've gotten many letters from healthcare providers telling me that I'm impacted by a data breach They all offer one to two years of credit monitoring. Should they be doing more? Yes Yep, yep Sorry, there's we don't have a ton of ad credit monitoring doesn't even do that much It just tells you after the fact that something bad happened by the way If you haven't been checking your credit card statement or anything else.

Yeah like like and man TransUnion and Equifax and those guys like yucky industry. By the way this is funny IIR FTW says this is peak large IT guy needing to wear a collar for work but knowing he can't be fired. Oh, this is a this is cobalt programming cloth. Hey Linus, hope your motorcycle is going well. Wondering if you have any wrecks for helmet or music call systems. Also possibility on some of the carplay systems or HUDs. Interesting bike tech out there. I haven't ridden in over two years while I've been painting my bike. I have made zero progress in the last week. When I get back into it, I am somewhat interested in looking into some in-helmet stuff, but honestly the most advanced thing that I ever implemented was wired speakers

that were just like little flat speakers that were ripped off of some Koss headphones that I double-sided taped into my helmet and then just like cable managed down and then I plugged into a phone that was in my pocket with a three and a half millimeter jack and then I had a Pebble smartphone hot glued to a magnet and then magneted on to the the dash of my bike so that I could change the track. That's as good as I ever got. And then if I needed directions, I would just use turn by turn, which is really annoying when you're listening to music.

It sucks. Hey, LLD, with myself going to college this upcoming fall for computer and electrical engineering, I wanted to ask what education got you interested into tech? Also big fan of the channel. Computer lab, computer lab in school, man, playing with that Dino Park tycoon, playing that math circus. I got into games extremely young and then most of my motivation

for learning about computers was so that my games would run better. Yeah, I started my core interest in computers, other than my dad just pushing me to be interested in it, was because I wanted to be able to play Diablo on LAN with my buddy. And I was like, how does this work? I need to, something, something networking. TCP, IP, IPX, SPX. What are all these words?

Why do they matter? Yeah, and then, yeah, it was largely, I wanna be able, I wanna understand, cause you know, money's tight. I wanna understand what upgrades are important so that I can keep playing new games as they come out, stuff like that. And then I had an affinity for it when I went to school, so I joined that class and my computer's teacher was amazing, so that helped a lot. Yeah. Hey, LLD for Luke.

I hope you like that this will be used by our spacecraft systems engineering team to build small sets and cube sets. What are some of your favorite missions that you have read about? Oh, a screwdriver or something? Oh, uh. They purchased a precision multi-bit and the case. Sick.

This wouldn't necessarily be read about. That's so cool. But I it's very cool. Yeah LTT precision driver working on like satellites. Is that sick? Right? And it's perfect for the CubeSats because they're like pretty small. It's like amazing. That's so cool. Project light sale. Light sale. Oh my God, I'm getting an ad for Aries tech. No, dude. Have we had this conversation on WAN show before, the one about like how far up an organization you have to go to reach the level where people know it's a grift,

you know? Because I do believe that there are people who work in that organization or, you know, Scientology or, you know, whatever, right? Like, like surely L. Ron Hubbard knew it was a grift and his like accountant must have known it was a grift. You know, sometimes you might just actually be crazy. I mean, that is possible, that's possible. But I can't believe that about every grift organization.

For sure. I can't believe that. Yeah, I'm just saying sometimes. How far up, and I think there's also probably like a time element think there's also probably like a time element to this as well. Like if you look at, you know. Tell yourself long enough or something.

Well yeah, like you look at some very large organizations in the world that have been around for a very long time accumulating vast amounts of wealth in the process. You know, at some point, someone probably knew it was a grift. Pete Yeah. Jared And, but maybe, maybe that knowledge died out. Pete Oh. Jared And people who were indoctrinated made their way up into the upper ranks and people,

and people no longer like know. Pete Yeah. Jared A person, 123 in full-plane chat said, in quotes, but I don't know if it's a quote or not, never underestimate the ability of someone to not know something if their paycheck depends on it. That sounds like- I suspect there's a lot to that. That sounds correct, Luke.

Yeah, thank you. Yeah. So, how- Damn it, Dan. So how- He's so smart. How high up? I like my job.

Oh. Okay. Sorry Linus. I missed that and I'm probably glad I did. How high up do you have to go in an organization like Airstech for them to know it's a grift, you think? Cause I do actually believe

that some of these Like believe in 5g, you know, whatever Radiations killing plants or whatever right like there's there's certainly going to be some that do you're not working on Administrative teams or engineering teams at that company like when are you exposed to does it work or not? Yeah Probably not that often because like the engineers would know. I'm sure. If they even have any. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. And like the... The product designers, I guess. Yeah, the product designers would have to know because they'd have to know that they're just like, you know, drawing a... There's a weird part of this job that I would expect we would be doing that we're not doing. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But beyond that, like do you- The people running their hilarious demos. Like do you think their salespeople and marketing people know it's a grift or do they just recruit the believers? I'm sure there's an ability to recruit the believers there. There's also this concept of like, you know, if you tell yourself something enough, you will start to believe it. And if you believe something

to a certain degree, and people push you on it, and you just get defensive, you can like build up a fortress of things that aren't necessarily true, but you might not necessarily even realize it. Right. There's a lot of weird things like a human brains is funny, funny. I was talking to Emma about about this the other day the fact that everyone just shrugs off the placebo effect is Wild oh yeah placebo effect is huge like actually one of the most wild things ever Like seriously one of the best things you can do if you like literally get cancer is to just believe that you're gonna make it

Yeah, like it's not a guarantee, but the difference that it makes to survival rates, to have a positive attitude and think you're gonna beat something is wild. Yeah. Like wild. I've also heard warts is a huge one. If you just think about your wart going away, that's like medical science at this point.

Yeah, yeah, that's insane. I don't know. That's like a real, real thing. But like so many people will hear about placebo for the first time and just be like, okay. Yeah. It's like, what? There's also no, no SIBO. You can't also talk about one without the other one. The negative effects, you think that this medication is gonna hurt you and then it actually hurts you. Yeah. Even if it doesn't. Even if it's placebo or fake.

You're just making up that it has negative side effects. Yeah, exactly. Like you get more warts. This is why real medical trials need controls and everything needs to be double blind and all of that stuff. Absolutely. I was telling Emma, I'm really happy that people do research on this stuff

and to a certain degree in certain cases, I think it's probably beneficial for me to not know more. Right. It's real witchcraft. Cause like, if I think it's gonna work, once I get to that conclusion, as long as I'm certain it's not gonna like be really harmful for me, I don't wanna know more.

Yeah. Because if I think it's gonna work, then okay, cool. And then if you find, you know, some, some like doctor YouTuber or something that's like, yeah, actually the whole thing's a grift, then now it has no chance of working. Now it stops working. Yeah. It might have been working. It might have been working because you might, and like that doesn't make Luke an idiot.

It just makes him a human being. Yeah. We are. This happens to all of us. We are so, so flawed. All the time. Placebo effect doesn't just affect medicine stuff. It affects your ability to perform in like sport, in basically everything.

If you... Yeah, it's wild. Remember when we were at the gym and I thought I was lifting 40 pounds because I can't do math? This was nuts! It's happened many times. This was nuts. That has happened many times. This was nuts. He genuinely lifted like a lot more than his previous max and lifted it multiple times. I did like a full PR set.

And then realized when he was done, that he had lifted like 20 pounds more than last time. Because I miscounted. Like it was enormous. I forgot to include the bar and then like went up 45 pounds and was just like, this is only five more and then just like benched it for eight. We are recommending that. No no no no. We are not recommending that. No no. Oh I could have seriously hurt myself. At all. Yeah and we talked about that afterwards actually. Absolutely absolutely.

Extremely dangerous. But it's just wild that his brain was like this is fine. It's only 20 pounds. And then it just happened. And then he was just able to lift at that level moving forward because he now had evidence that he could. I mean, the brain mind body connection is really, really important for lifting weights anyway. And so if I was just saying, yeah, I can lift this. And then my body did.

Wow. Mavsguy842 says, that's why getting volunteers to work on your grift organization is awesome, because then you know they believe in it. And that makes the grift organization so much more powerful and so much more persuasive. Whoa, that's awful. That makes so much sense, though. Oh, yeah, 100%. in porto says i hate the world yeah the world isn't the problem

world's got trees and the anyways talking about cool things someone asked me my favorite thing that i read about my favorite uh... i don't know something to a space that i read about uh... and i no no carry on oh did I rip away showing it oh here you go I contributed to this back in the day and it was super

cool so you contributed to this what did you do oh no money oh okay I was not I was like what functionally use how have I never heard no no no no no no no no it was yeah a little little I think It was, yeah, a little, little, I think it was a CubeSat, technically, little, little satellite, and they, they had this enormous sail that they put on it that unfolded when it got out there, because

technically light has momentum. So that's why it's called LightSail, because they're using light as a propulsion. Right. Which is super cool. Yeah and it totally wouldn't have worked unless they believed it would. It could not actually help placebo effect works. They're like the orcs from 40k. Yeah, but yeah it's a planetary society thing. I thought and think it's super cool.

There's a light sail too. There's all this other kind of stuff. I don't know. I didn't really read a part about that because I was, I don't know, I guess I did technically read about it. Anyways, whatever. What is going on? What is this? We're playing Dino Park Tycoon for the rest of the show. Why? Because it's a wonderful game. You're getting Eve ads. Based? I need to, I need to change the zoom just a tiny, Oh, you know what? We could just go. Buy land at the real estate office. Could just go full screen. Hold on.

He said mocking the BC people. Is this a function one? Hello? Okay. I, why is, what's the bloody hotkey for full screen? F11. Okay, I'm pressing. Okay, see, Luke verify for me, please.

I'm not an idiot Yes, is the function screwed up is it no it's not look Correct I don't okay all right cool, so hit this Top right yeah, I just don't know what's in there Are we no longer playing it? Oh, we're playing it On the right right right are the new shirts tall friendly? I'm tall, I'm not really tall, but it fits like this. They're not tall sizing. Yeah they're not tall sizing but they're not really helps that it's short sleeve. And they're reasonably tuckable I think.. Yeah. Okay. All right. What else we got

for Linus? Do you have a video favorite that you have made? And Luke, which Scrapyard Wars was your favorite? Four. Oh yeah, that's the one with the fire. Yeah, I don't think it's like even reasonable that there will be one that could ever trump that for me. Like overall, like production quality and all that type of stuff. I think the most recent one, whatever number it was, is probably our best one. But four will always hold a special spot in my heart. Working with Rod on that was like probably one of the highlights of working on computers like oh he's in chat no way. Working with Rod on that was sick that was like easily one of the coolest computers ever made. The fact that the power went out the

office and we had to present at my parents house was just like sick. I don't know we made a computer that lit on freaking fire, dude. Like, what do you, how do you even, I don't. And it was like actually really cool. Like the integration of burlap, the fact that we use an actual like old iron grill, the fact that we had multiple types of fire. We didn't just, we didn't just settle with one form of fire. That would have been lame. We had to have multiple

sources of fire and multiple different types of fire. We had like the 321 rule of fire instead of backup. It was Yeah, it was it was it was really fun. I had like a genuinely just really good time. And I really liked the result that we ended with. And it's great and I'm always going to say four is what it is. Hmm. Linus, do you have a favorite video?

I like a favorite video video like like one favorite video overall. Yeah. Look at those wages. Okay, we're gonna need a little bit of food. Oh crap. Yeah. Um... Look at those wages. Okay, we're gonna need a little bit of food. Oh crap. What kind of food does this one eat? Can anybody explain? NVIDIA does that every day is an amazing comment. Did no one else react to this? What? I'm talking about the Fire Computer and GM Shippo. Aww. It Zinfidia does that every day.

You win. You win, Wancho. Got it. I'm just upset now. Oh, man. OK, well. I don't know what the heck my dinosaur eats. What is happening?

Hey, Wook, Winess, and Wan, what was the last DIY tech project that made you excited or you really enjoyed doing? I recently had an arcade cabinet watching one of your old videos, and it was so much fun. Man, what's the last like DIY tech project I did? Trying to think. GM Sheepo said, I work on rockets and getting a ding is my proudest moment.

Just for you, bud. That's brutal. No. It's quite an honor to be perfectly honest. We should make them a plaque. Can hang it over their PhD. That's a very unfortunately human thing, I think. Oh no. This is why all the kids want to be youtubers I

Free dopamine I am legitimately I'm legitimately more pleased than I probably should be with the pool Water-cooling setup. Yeah, why that's more than you should be. Well, I don't know. I just cuz it's stupid We at least cares. I don't know. It's just yeah, I like it. I mean, it's fair to care that it could be better It could be better. It's a good answer. So could Who cares? I don't know, it's just, yeah, I like it. I mean, it's fair to care that it leaks. It could be better. It's a good answer. So could literally everything. Yeah. But I, yeah, you know what?

I'm gonna go with that, not because it's the last one that made me really excited. Man, there was something really recent that I was like jazzed to do. I mean, I had a ton of fun working on that all-in-one gaming TV. That was really cool. Sorry. Chat's being very funny today. Yeah, I'm gonna go with whole pool water cooling. That's a good one. Howdy, LLD from Oklahoma.

What's up? You need a comment there. Question for Luke, what is the challenge with operating a video site that people don't realize is actually kind of hard? Also Linus return of the tall sizes when? We are definitely, we're gonna do tall sizes. It's gonna happen.

I don't know exactly when, but they're working on it. I think it's just that you have to do I died all right this is a very unforgivingly difficult game in case I died you die in this game oh yeah hundred percent huh okay but I'm gonna try again I think it's probably just that you have to do everything like if you're a site that has text posts it's probably just that you have to do everything. Um, like if you're a site that has text posts, it's like, okay, well, we have traders that can post text posts and all the users can comment. Um, so there's that. If you're a site that does audio, okay, well,

we support audio. If you're a site that does downloading, okay, well, we support downloading. If you're a site that does video, okay, well, we support video. If you're a site that does live streaming, okay, well, we support live streaming. It's just video, okay, well, we support video. If you said that does live streaming, okay, well, we support live streaming. It's just like, oh, there's just so many things. And then, ah. I couldn't even imagine even conceptualizing how to implement live chat.

Oh, I mean, there's, I think you could, if you sat down and worked on it for a while. Yeah, but like you have to do the whole thing Yeah, but I have to do the whole everything with all web development There's now I'm gonna pull it back slightly because of your comments This is what I want to do. There's there's some amount of stuff that you can lean on right? Like even even live chat like we didn't do this. But if you look at twitch's origins They leaned on IRC really heavily you could dial into

twitch live chats through IRC clients without going on twitch at all back in the day that was a thing people used IRC bots for original bot interaction on on twitch people say you still can wow i didn't know that um you still can but it's a huge pain got it okay yeah i don't know um so like there's there's some amount of like internet development does not at all happen in a vacuum anymore um and it hasn't for a really long time so there's like some amount of other stuff you can lean on but there's just there's just stuff you can lean on, but there's just, there's just so many things that you have to do. It's, it's very complicated, mostly because of how multifaceted it is. If we could just do VOD, it would be a lot easier.

If we could just do live streaming, it would be a lot easier. If we could just do photos, it'd be a lot easier, et cetera. And that makes it difficult to scale because it's already difficult to scale a website that just does even text and At a certain level of scale that ends up being Not the easiest thing in the world and then you make it so that you're scaling all these different things all at the same Time and it's like, oh Yeah, I don't know that'll be my answer I guess

Um, yeah, I don't know. That'll be my answer. I guess just throw Terraform at it. I really appreciate that you threw the slash S at the end of that. I appreciate it. Um, yeah, people think stuff like that is a lot more simple than it is. Cause there's, I mean, that comes down to things like there's, there's forms of scaling that just like throwing more servers at it will not solve your problem either.

Yeah. You have to anyways anyways. Um yeah. Next one. It's bad. Hello Wanshow. Linus, last week you mentioned that How to Train Your Dragon was a perfect movie. Can you expand on that? Dan, have you watched it yet? No. Luke, have you played Final Fantasy 6? Please. I have played it, but I'm really not much further, but I have played it. It's on my list. Sorry Linus. Oh, it's so you're gonna Watch the live-action. I will watch it. We've talked about that already got it. I Am I'm very legitimately actually kind of excited for the live-action

Well, I don't know. Maybe I'm a little bit excited for the live-action It looks like they're pretty faithful to the perfect movie, which is the original, but nothing's a guarantee until things actually happen. So why is it a perfect movie? Because it has a perfect soundtrack. It is emotional and funny. It's, It is emotional and and funny it It it it's yes, it's ah man. Okay, perfect movie. Damn it Better than Paddington 2 I haven't seen Paddington 2. I think that lost its 100% rating It had a 100% rating. It was a perfect film according to Rotten Tomatoes.

Man, I- That's only 99% perfect. Someone probably just trolled it. No, that's on the- Oh, the reviewer side? Yeah. I don't know how I would define a perfect movie other than that it's so tight.

How to Train Your Dragon also has 99% from critics. So I think you're accurate. Like there is absolutely nothing out of place in it. I saw this wonderful breakdown of how well integrated the score and all the major themes for all the major characters is, and how the character themes blend together as the characters' relationships change.

It's just, oh, it's so good. It's so enjoyable for all ages. I think that's something that is really, really tough to nail. Like a movie that is for kids, but that I don't just have to kind of like make my way through. Like, what did I, what did we go to see with them recently? We went to Milano too with the kids recently and it was like fine.

Like it's a visual spectacle and everything, but it, like we were just kind of, we were kind of making our way through it. How to Train Your Dragon is incredible. I will definitely throw it on my list. I mean, it is on my list, I'll throw it against my eyes. Yeah.

Hi, LLD, what are your thoughts on Google starting fingerprinting? For example, cookie list tracking on Sunday. Thoughts on how to avoid it, considering how many services Google has. I thought fingerprinting had been going on for a long time. Forms of it.

Yeah. Fingerprint is scary, scary. I forgot a fence. How to avoid it is tough. As far as my understanding goes, it's a clown. The clown and a thumbs up. understanding goes, it's a clown, the clown and a thumbs up. Alberto Soros. Yeah, that's a thing. Okay. Cool name.

Maybe people will start coming to the parking auction today. What do they sell water blocks here? Next up we have, what are we talking about? What was it? What was I talking about? Oh, how to avoid fingerprinting? Buy a laptop not using your credit card and then don't sign into any account on it ever. What about it being fingerprinted by being on your local network attached to other computers? Don't do that either. Monkey. Go live in the forest. Or that. This is why I, go live in the forest.

Or that. This is why I want to live in the forest. Yeah, the whole like, it's only anonymized data. It's like, yeah, until they attach it. Have you ever seen Google analytics data? It's horrifying. Oh, did they fix the, if you're under 18 Google data yet? I doubt it.

Cause everybody forgot about that immediately. Well, hi guys. I've been watching the channel since I bought my AMD Phenom X4 and wanted to learn how to overclock. That's a minute ago. Yeah. I thought they wanted to learn how to overclock his AMD four and this was a joke message, but.

Oh. No, no no this is you just miss read it I know I I did the first time that's what I thought he was asking for tips nice for how to overclock it now but no that's when he started yeah well there's a great channel that you can check out to learn how to overclock that phenom x4 and CIX tech tips I think that was where we uploaded the guide for that man I wish overclocking was still a thing. Apparently 5080 is pretty good. I haven't actually experienced myself. I'd love to get one somehow.

You could borrow one once we're done working with it, but we're not, so go away. Yeah, no, I've committed to the people that any 50 series GPUs that I have came. Oh, I just meant for like playing around with overclocking, not for keeping. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. But if I take anything home, it's a hands off.

I'm gonna have to buy it, which means I'm gonna be waiting a minute because I'm not on any wait lists. So. I've heard 5080s are becoming more acquirable they're less exciting oh yeah so that would explain it I don't think AI developers care about them at all okay last one I got for you today sure gonna get the rest next week when lanyards when if it hasn't been mentioned

since I can't watch live is there a story of the cat in the maze? Cats are cute and they're awesome and yeah there's half a cat yeah well oh no that's less cute there's a full cat yeah full cats are better than half cats yeah well no he's just hiding yeah it's probably full if you look behind the stitch as For as for when lanyards, I mean, I think we don't we have those lanyards I stole that from game grime and chat Oh, well we had them at some point I thought It did is this oh, it's currently notify me when available. Oh, it's just this color scheme Yeah, it's my favorite color scheme. I thought that one is the one

that I still use. I don't know. I will tell you though, that we've had a lot of designs that have faded away off the site over the years. And I, I pitched something to the merch team, there's no guarantee that anything will actually happen with it. But I pitched to them that it would be pretty cool for us to bring up like a big list of all our old designs and then throw it to the community. Thunderdome. And let them vote for like one or a small handful for us to bring back. I can think of a few that if they came back I'd try to like buy a couple of them so I can have them for a while Luke nukem No, I still wear mine regularly. That's what I say. I didn't get one. I'm sad

Did I tell you what the one time I wore it out Really I think you did on I might have I had to I had to go pick up Emma's car from a tire shop. She was getting tire swapped. I was just lounging at home, so I just had whatever I was wearing on. I forgot I was wearing the Luke Newcomb shirt. Which you secretly wear whenever you don't think anyone's looking. Yes, go on. No, no, no.

And I go to pick it up, and the guy just looks at me, looks down my shirt, and I don't remember exactly what he says, but it's something along the lines of like Luke Nukem, eh? He doesn't know my name. I didn't give them my name ever but he just vibe checked me and just knew. And I was just like, oh, oh, oh. Why are you wearing a shirt with your face on it?

Cause it does look like you. Sarah told me when she was working on it, she was like, I don't think I can make it look like him. I'm like, dude, it looks looks like and you did a great job Ship it so literally the one time I wore it like outdoors. I got called on it immediately I Was outside of my car both at home and there for like less than five minutes How have I forgotten this story snoggle says you told this story a billion times well, whatever I'm pretty sure I did I love it every single time I've forgotten this story. Snoggle says you've told this story a billion times. Well, whatever. I'm pretty sure I did.

I love it every single time then. Oh man. And I love every time hearing you say, we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye! Keep me on my toes for that one. I'm gonna win.

Keep me on my toes for that one. I'm gonna win. I uh, I threw away a lot of money letting that dinosaur escape. No, you have to go home. You right?