The WAN Show - dbrand x Casetify Lawsuit - WAN Show November 24, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 Looking for a change of scenery? Come on over. Let us give you the tour. Grab a paddle and explore. Hit the trails and go. When you're ready, kick back and call it a night. New Brunswick, always inviting. Visit tourism new brunswick.ca what is up everyone and welcome to the wend show the big news of course this week is that d brand and zach from jerry rig everything have uh well been stolen from allegedly allegedly i'm saying that allegedly mostly ironically because it looks pretty cut and dried this is not legal advice yeah yeah yeah it is technically still allegedly yeah and they have been stolen from by casetify so we're going to be getting you guys up to speed if you haven't been keeping

Starting point is 00:01:05 track of all the spicy drama that's been going on around that also what else yep sony patents save states this cannot be as simple as the headline so you know allegedly allegedly we're going to get to that a little bit later what else we got today luke nothing reverses on the blue bubbles and there's some other spice along with that story that is still such a dumb name for a company nothing if i didn't know what you were talking about i still wouldn't know what you were talking about yeah i don't like it nothing reverses on the blue bubbles yeah nothing not nothing reverses on the blue bubbles. What do you, what does that even mean? Sorry, go ahead. Speaking of what does that even mean, Sam Altman returns.

Starting point is 00:01:51 Yeah, what does that even mean? What's even happening? Who knows, doesn't matter. again of course you know black friday deals i'm sure on all of those sites right now got some black friday deals on ltt store hey dan i noticed we have 69 merch messages already how's that treating your fingers over there it's going well i'm getting that's not the one i'm getting extremely efficient at it nice extremely extremely oh i get it because we're streaming no extremely that's pretty good bye i'll show myself out all right why don't we jump right into the big headline topic. Zach Nelson of JerryRigEverything and Dbrand of Dbrand are suing device accessory company Casetify for copyright infringement

Starting point is 00:02:57 after Casetify allegedly copied their collaborative teardown series of device skins. Now, I'm sure that your immediate reaction to this is well now hold on just a gosh darn minute how exactly is it that you could um copyright um the a picture of the inside of a phone right like that doesn't really make sense yeah dbrand didn't make the phone zach wasn't the first person to take the back cover off of a phone how does that how does that make sense well here's the thing if you watch zach's video sorry i'm just gonna call him jerry rig everything because that's you know the channel name so many people think his name is jerry

Starting point is 00:03:41 his name is not jerry his name is zach i'm so sorry to burst your bubble anyway if you watch no you can't do it if you watch zach's video he walks through how teardown is not just taking a picture of the phone once the back is removed they actually go to a lot of work to take artistic liberties with it you know right like they'll they'll touch up this and they'll enhance that and they will you know what we'd actually really like it if the copper was showing on the charging coil let's let's uh let's expose that copper and then let's composite that back onto it so really it's it's more like a a digital creation separate from just a picture of the back of the phone without the back on it um and part of this process because you know it's

Starting point is 00:04:37 dbrand and dbrand memes is that they added a number of in-jokes and Easter eggs to the artwork. Ooh. Yeah. That's a little damning. So here's the thing. Back in March, Casetify was selling a similar series of skins, but instead of going to the work of getting phones and taking them apart, which is a hassle, You need a heat gun.

Starting point is 00:05:06 Maybe, maybe like a pry tool from iFixit. Like an iFixit kit. I mean, that'll cost you, hold on a second. I actually think I get it. Here, look guys. Look, it's Black Friday right now. So this is not fully representative, right? Like this would be even more expensive.

Starting point is 00:05:26 If I were to get a pro tech bundle that would be 97 dollars and 99 cents that is that is canadian dollars like four american dollars yeah um and and it would be maybe 20 percent more than that for a company the size of case defy i can see how that see how that would be an unreasonable expense. I'm going to spend $100 from some weird beaver country to be able to take apart a phone? No, I think I actually... I'm coming around to Casetify's side on this. The Casetify Bounce Extreme case costs more than that. So anyway, back in march they

Starting point is 00:06:06 had a line of skins and instead of taking apart the phones which we've established is very expensive right um they just used the same internal scan of an iphone on every phone which seems like a valid shortcut to me i mean if i was if i was one of those people who goes and spends you know iphone money on not an iphone i'd probably i'd probably want to rock iphone all over the back of my not iphone right yeah yeah because i'm not you know i'm not all counterculture anti anti iphone or whatever that doesn't matter to me yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah um so d-brand mocked them for this back in march and case defy um you know i think their defense is is really gonna is really gonna boil down to uh you know if if d-brand's claims uh end up being true that case defy ripped off their

Starting point is 00:06:58 tear down skins i think case defy's best shot at a defense is going to be something along the lines of he made fun of me um because that seems to be a lot of the a lot of the rationale for what came next because in august case defy was selling a series of skins far more like teardown in in in which they were matching the internals of the phone that they were applied to. There are some differences between what Casetify was selling and what dbrand was selling. For instance, Casetify's was more expensive. That's a difference. That is a difference.

Starting point is 00:07:39 That is a major difference when it comes to purchasing decisions. Maybe the increased cost means quality yeah i mean look i want the best one i want the best one too and when i and when i go for the best one i am looking for the one that is blurrier that's what i want that says quality to me because think about like on your tv do you leave the sharpness at default or do you turn it down? You turn the sharpness way down. 100%. That's the first thing I do with the TV.

Starting point is 00:08:14 I turn off any kind of motion compensation and then I turn the sharpness way down. And then for good measure, I like to take a little dollop of Vaseline okay petroleum jelly and I get I give that a good smear all over the screen it's like free anti-aliasing when I save something in paint.net quality the bottom 100% I have a JPEG on the internet I want it posted at least 50 times before I see it well look the thing is Luke the thing is Luke I don't even think you're taking this seriously right now because not enough there's no way that there's no way that that would be your process if you're're like me first, you would set the quality to the bottom.

Starting point is 00:08:48 Then you'd save it. You'd open that file again. You'd drag the slider down. See, I've got a lot to learn. I am. This is why I'm still able to mentor him. Yes. I'm out here grinding, but I still got ways to go.

Starting point is 00:09:07 i'm out here grinding but i still got ways to go so case defy the main differences were that there's were lower quality lower image quality and cost more um and also they were missing some of deep brand's easter eggs and um hidden in jokes uh examples of these in jokes were uh strings of characters like r0807 which is robot in in leet speak essentially what would give away part of d brand's whole shtick is that the company is run by robots or whatever spoiler it's not but but that's it's a it's a cool branding thing that they do and it's it's kind of neat so you can see right here um blurrier and definitely still present you will not find this string of characters on any real phone ever uh what's really what's really damning about this is that some of dbrand's in jokes and easter eggs were removed so that is an indication that Casetify knew what they were doing.

Starting point is 00:10:07 They just didn't know what they were doing very well. So another great example is this right here. This is the original dbrand skin. Glass is glass and glass breaks. Remember, this is a collaboration with Zach from JerryRigEverything. That's a thing he says all the time just like uh light scratches at six blah blah etc seven etc um over here on case defy we see yep it almost just looks like they downloaded the image off of dbrand's website printed it um and then yeah forgot to forgot to scrub it for

Starting point is 00:10:42 this they seem to have added their own QR code here. So they've made obvious changes. Okay, so this said subscribe. See, they caught this. They caught the subscribe. Yeah. They replaced that with a Casetify Easter egg, but what they missed was the digits 111111,

Starting point is 00:10:59 which, as dbrand points out, is the founding date of, you guessed it, dbrand points out is the founding date of you guessed it dbrand why would casetify have 11 11 11 on their product unless they were just trying to trying to shout out their their competitor yikes oh hey look at this dbrand referenced us in their exhibits. I'm exhibit D. Why am I exhibit D? You fucks. I want to be exhibit A. No, I don't care. So this is interesting.

Starting point is 00:11:35 They've got a little Illuminati stupid pyramid because they're into that sort of thing. You guys probably remember the pyramid PC that we built for them. And you can see that it's like- It looks like it's crying on the Cas defy one yeah it's it's it's broken but it's definitely still there man it's amazing how low quality some of these are that is that is kind of wild that's rough so this was this was part of the whole process of making these skins more than just a sticker um and yeah d brand

Starting point is 00:12:09 sells stickers like come on realistically sure yeah it's it's they're stickers but they're good stickers they use authentic 3m vinyl you know a lot of the old talking points you go back and look at like the old spots we used to do for them where we talked about you know the unique colors because they would purchase in large enough quantities that they could have exclusive colors or whatever else we talk about the use of authentic 3m vinyl so it sticks really well but doesn't leave a residue when you take it off all that good stuff um and this process was part of making it not just a sticker, even if it is just a sticker, but fun. You know, something that if you pay attention to the tech niche on YouTube, I think that's

Starting point is 00:12:51 something that dbrand does that people don't really give them enough credit for, is a lot of brands, when you engage with them, they want you to talk about their product, they want you to pimp the product or whatever. You know, obviously, everybody's out there buying advertising, why? They want you to pimp the product or whatever. You know, obviously everybody's out there buying advertising, why? So that they can sell more shit, right? Like, you know, dbrand's no exception there. But what is exceptional is that dbrand actually

Starting point is 00:13:13 at a very, very high level within the company cares about the tech space, follows tech creators. Like I will get questions following up about some video that had absolutely nothing to do with dbrand that they didn't sponsor that they were not involved in in any way and would have no desire to be involved in but they're just curious because they thought it was a cool video or or whatever and it's not the kind of thing that you can fake trust me as someone who has been bullshitted by every kind of agency person you know talking about how much i love your channel and blah blah blah and i'm like okay you know that this is not a makeup channel right like this every comment they make about it is about like the last one or two videos

Starting point is 00:13:59 yes like you can smell it a mile away and that's not that's not the case with them right so um so it it shows how little due diligence case defy bothered to do here that they would not realize that this was a bad idea the fact that they found some of the easter eggs and didn't think uh-oh we need to stop because we might have missed something and this is going to look pretty bad just shows the brazenness yeah of this yeah um anywho let's uh let's keep going according to zach his content getting stolen isn't new but the difference is that case defy is a billion dollar company This is according to recent comments from their founder. I haven't actually seen the recent comments personally, but I have no real reason to distrust Zach at this point in my life. every interaction with him to be just completely a stand-up guy i respect him a lot um and he feels this needs to be met with legal action in order to act as a deterrent against this sort of thing happening again d brand and zach are releasing a new x-ray skin to help fund the legal costs and

Starting point is 00:15:18 zach vows to use any money awarded to continue to invest in capacity as wheelchair manufacturing business. Super cool. Following the accusation, Casetify has delisted their inside out, which are not tear down cases from their website. And further, according to the LTT subreddit, let's go. Casetify's x-ray case appears to have originated from iFixit.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Are you kidding me? You didn't know about this? No. That's why I made the iFixit comment. That is hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. iFixit has responded as well, by the way. Oh, what'd they say?

Starting point is 00:15:57 I've got it on my screen right now. Let's jump over here. All right. What do we got? Dear Casetify, using stolen x-rays of phone internals doesn't make you a tech genius. It makes you a copycat. Nice. Nice.

Starting point is 00:16:09 Oh, freaking roasted. And dbrand has the gif showing the image flip. No way. Yep. Man. way yep man now to be clear if you were to x-ray the same phone you would obviously end up with a very similar

Starting point is 00:16:34 image yeah but the thing is that's not similar it's exactly the same that's identical and it's under the wrong phone and you could have you could have differences that are caused by a slightly different positioning of the phone you could have differences that are caused well most mostly oh you could have differences that are caused by uh the x-ray machine that you're using um there's no way that that two separate shots would have exactly the same settings applied to them

Starting point is 00:17:07 like there's there's some pretty shading might even be a little bit different like it's it's an exact copy it's too similar too similar oh man this might just man this might be just the tip of the iceberg here um one twitter user apparently in iran reports that he bought another teardown ripoff from mahout leather who are apparently the largest phone skin company in the country i would say good luck going after mahout leather compared to going after casetify where's casetify based uh what is this name my rail i mean compared to d brand they're not based at all but my rail and floatplane chat said it's not identical to i fix it i fix it has a better quality image well yeah that's the it's identical in intent very good very good yeah i mean i got i gotta tell you guys like we've we've um we've looked into getting x-ray scans of devices before

Starting point is 00:18:08 and the equipment is not cheap. No. You are making a significant investment in order to obtain that imagery. And if someone's just taking it from you, that's not cool. So yeah, where are these guys located? The contact page doesn't have it which is never a good sign uh returns and exchanges maybe they have uh an address quick

Starting point is 00:18:32 links affiliate program oh for crying out loud uh okay what are you looking for on their site oh here we go uh founded october 1st 2011 hong kong a thousand employees wow that's uh well um good luck with that case defy i think that i i actually have no idea what the difficulties will be like of going after an overseas company like case defy uh being in hong kong i don't know it could be there could be some challenges but i'm sure this is something that d brand has considered and realistically um i think that they end up with a huge w here regardless because this has generated a ton of buzz i think it has created a lot of conversation around the legitimate innovation that d brand does in the space that i think people don't necessarily properly respect when there are so many well it's kind of the same thing products that exist you know everywhere from iran to hong kong to canada did i mention

Starting point is 00:19:36 dbrand our canadian boys yeah have i mentioned that did i mention that okay all right well we've mentioned that now um and and so i think that i think they come out of this looking like the innovators that they are i think they come out of this uh looking like the good guys um you know doing the work that's something that i think anybody can respect stealing the work i think is a lot harder to respect doing the work like okay i mean look at all the controversy around react content for example some people are going to defend it but i think most people have kind of shifted their mindset to that if you are especially not contributing anything back to the original creator you're basically just a freeloader um whereas i don't think there has ever been any question that the

Starting point is 00:20:21 original creators of the content being reacted to should not be respected if you do the work you deserve the respect and i think that's uh that's something where d brand comes away looking really good as well um i think it's i think it's someone in full plane chat yeah myson mykin not sure says case defy has an na branch north america branch with the company uh which is located in la okay that makes it that's go after a bull yeah that makes it a lot easier to go after not not that they should necessarily knee jerk although it looks pretty clear but we'll still see over time um but they they do a lot of collaborations not just with influencers they

Starting point is 00:21:04 do collaborations with influencers. If you scroll down on Casetify's website, Kylie Jenner, Joe Jonas, and Lauren. Interesting. If you go up here, brands, Disney, Harry Potter, Disney. I don't know if Taylor Moon is Disney or not. More Disney. Do you know for sure that they just didn't go to Disney.com and download that logo?

Starting point is 00:21:26 They do have two of the same logos. This is not an infinitely scrolling list. I can't press the right arrow. They have Disney Princess twice. What about second Disney Princess? Do they have anything else twice? No. What?

Starting point is 00:21:43 At first I assumed it was just like a carousel but it's okay so what you're saying is this is a pattern of jank yes that's pretty funny but yeah marvel disney evangelion like there's there's quite the range here um yeah i gotta wonder what one piece what partners think of this if this if this registers for them like i wouldn't want my brand anywhere near someone that was being sued for such a blatant um such for for such blatant copyright infringement especially i'm someone like disney i don't know maybe i don't care uh but maybe i do i think i could be wrong here but i think disney has pulled out of stuff in the past um i have vague memories but i don't remember what so i'm not sure if it's real or not um but yeah i don't know it's always interesting to see

Starting point is 00:22:40 what happens around these situations obviously you want to wait to see like is it legit looks pretty you know open and close on this one but we'll see um but yeah kind of rough literally having like e-brand specific things on the product is like it's not a good look i don't know how you make it out of that one now i gotta be honest with you i've known about this for a while and it's been pretty hard for me to like just sit on it yeah just be like sitting on it waiting to waiting waiting for it to drop but obviously this is this is zach's and d brand's party uh they needed to be the ones to to break the news and i thought that zach did a great job with the video have you watched it by any chance i skimmed it very quickly

Starting point is 00:23:34 yeah i don't i don't i don't blame you he he it had kind of a slow and plodding pace but you can tell that that was the intent if you watch the whole thing which i have up until 11 and a half minutes when i as austin evans calls it smell blood in the water and realized the video was over so i i jumped off of it but i watched the first 11 and a half minutes or whatever it was and you know it's not tailored me. Like there's certain points that he makes three times. And I prefer points to be made one time. And I prefer people to talk a little bit faster. But what he did was he laid it out in such a way that if you sit there and dedicate 11 and a half minutes of your time,

Starting point is 00:24:21 you will come away understanding his point understanding his point of view i think clearly recognizing that he is not the aggressor in this situation this is not because he's just like uh you know a lawsuit happy american or anything like that that is that is not the impression that i get either from the video or more importantly from my personal interactions with zach and i think that's something he conveyed really well in the video and i think you come away with a really clear understanding of how black and white this situation is if his video is anything but a completely just out to lunch fabrication it's bad i think and it's not it's clearly not i think the wombo is really good like his thumbnail is killer first of all absolutely killer he looks like a chad and the big like robbed he always looks like

Starting point is 00:25:26 that just fully blacked out text behind him is like just fantastic thumbnail brings you in but then the video isn't like this crazy bloodthirsty hype fest no it's factual yep it's controlled yep and that's like i i think that combination was very very good anyways anything else to say on the topic no not really i um i think overall we've been overall we've we've been seeing a lot of creator support for dbrand they actually messaged me that a handful of creators have already talked about this on stream apparently um let me have a look here i don't want to get this wrong i know ludwig was in the list of people that have talked about it um xqc apparently talked about it moist critical talked about it so the thumbnail go watch the video you'll see yeah no do we does this look like a react channel to

Starting point is 00:26:21 you here though actually let here i gotta grab a snack you you here though? Actually let's hear it. I got, I got to grab a snack. You want to hit the bathroom? Let's just put on, we'll put on Zach's video. Share stream it. Yeah. We'll just, we'll just peace for a little bit.

Starting point is 00:26:31 No, that's not how this works, guys. You gotta go, you gotta go watch the video. All right. You're on your own. I got signed out of the dock.

Starting point is 00:26:39 So good luck. Uh, case to fi. Um, or yeah, better luck Dbrand, actually. I prefer Dbrand have good luck. I'd also prefer to do our merch message thing a little bit earlier in the show than usual, Dan,

Starting point is 00:26:57 if you don't mind, before we jump into topic two, just because I've got to give the people some updates on how merch messages are going to work today. As you guys may or may not have noticed, it is Black Friday, and it is the blackest Friday that we have ever had on lttstore.com. That's right, my friends. Luke, do you want to pull up the store on your laptop

Starting point is 00:27:18 so that I can go ahead and just rattle off everything we've got going on? Yes. Our solid color screwdrivers are just 59.99 that is 33 off they are fantabulous and colorful same great screwdriver available in a variety of colors i believe this is the first time you've been able to get a full-size driver from us for less than 69.99 nice you can buy a backpack and get a free windbreaker. This is that one that you like. Oh, wait.

Starting point is 00:27:48 No, you love the 3D down. I do like this one. Yeah. So anyone else would have called this a rain jacket. It's a super high quality coat. It has all the like taping and waterproof materials that anyone else would call waterproof. I'm just a picky boy and I refuse to call anything waterproof, so it's a windbreaker. It's a really, really nice jacket,

Starting point is 00:28:09 so you guys can get that for free. If you pick up a backpack, wear them together, just pick your size and head to checkout. That's a $120 value. WAN hoodies are just $34.99. WAN sweatpants were on sale. Those are sold out. Sorry, you guys are going to need to move fast

Starting point is 00:28:24 if you want to snag these deals. They're pretty much all limited quantities. Our plaid flannels, Luke is not keeping up very well, but he's doing his best. He's on his phone. Our plaid flannels are just $19.99. That is all colors and styles. So we've got lots of different options.

Starting point is 00:28:40 You know how to use the site that you direct the development of? Yeah, there you go um our color block hoodies are just 1999 uh one of my personal favorites is the tech linked one i love that one uh up up did i go down down down oh no never mind that i didn't know no never i was looking at something else what a guy yeah. Yeah, whatever. Color block hoodie is $19.99. We've got 25% off all colors of blank t-shirts. So if you just really like the quality of our shirts and you don't really need logos

Starting point is 00:29:13 all over your stuff, then you can just pick up some blank t-shirts. We've got a ton of different colors. That's actually been the top seller today. The blank t-shirts. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're already a pretty good price as it is.

Starting point is 00:29:24 So now they're 25 off we have 999 mystery desk pads hey there they are color block hoodies nice uh we have 999 mystery desk pads those are 900 by 400 millimeters um a little hint for you guys it's possible that we had some leftover ltx designer series oh that makes that's where you would put mystery item it's possible yeah i can't maybe i don't i don't know i can't guarantee for real i can't guarantee what it'll be but it is possible that there might be something like that in there conrad made a collection for all the black friday deals and i just didn't read the button nice there's a button in the top that shows you all the black friday nick messaged me about that too nice that makes

Starting point is 00:30:08 sense hey look wag hoodie wag hoodie on sale so you got to get the wan hoodie and the wag hoodie you guys can match uh we have 50 off circuit desk pads uh 33 off jerry rigged knives we uh do in fact get these from zach uh are not just a picture of his knife that has been copy pasted onto our website and if you add an item to cart uh do you want to maybe throw a throw a jerry-rig sort of throw jerry everything knife in the cart and then head over to the cart the bonus bin has some pretty cool stuff in it today you can get all the usual things like sticker packs but we also have beanies that's right my friends you can add a beanie for free which your order which linus pokemon do you want yeah it's amazing how similar they all look these

Starting point is 00:30:56 are all these are not photoshopped to different colors they look like that thing when you go to clothing stores that just reproduce where it's just edited nope no i'm just that consistent they are all slightly different but that one's a little different uh we have some cute little bonus pins bonus gpu christmas tree ornament there's a purple beanie more beanies bonus puzzle the one piece puzzle um it has nothing to do with the what is it an anime a manga i can never remember the difference probably both sure whatever it has nothing to do with that one piece it is just a wall decoration it's a puzzle that's just one piece it just looks like you did the puzzle yeah so we we had the we had the die cut halfway through so you can just be like yeah look i made this puzzle yeah

Starting point is 00:31:41 and i guess if yeah i guess if you really wanted to you really did you could dig through the rest of it i have no idea how it's packed to be perfectly honest with you i don't i don't remember how we solved that problem uh anywho now there is one more thing that we are supposed to talk about and that is sarah's new shirt design that is apparently a launch specifically for WAN Show. Luke, did you find that? It's something to do with this thing that is on our desk. No, I didn't. You told me not to look for it.

Starting point is 00:32:15 Well, no, I told you look at it during the show. Oh, here it is. Oh, there's a shirt and a hoodie. Whoa, you can get a hoodie. Okay, cool. Okay, so we're on Luke's screen now? Okay, so you want to see the 15 oh yeah it's our birthday yeah yeah ltt is 15 one year until it can drive oh that's cool that is

Starting point is 00:32:35 pretty cool okay so it's 15 hexagons because those are the very best gons uh do you mind zooming a little bit maybe and we have oh this is so cool so sarah did a design stream and i guess she took feedback from viewers for what they should be um so we've got top left langley house original kitchen set actually that's pretty good great great representation exactly what it's basically like she took a picture of it and pasted it onto our shirt that's crazy um yeah there's a sponsor segue love it pretty good uh bread strawberry and turnip yep yep all we got all the all the fruits the turnip callback is like that's pretty legit people wanted a fire truck, a fire pole, also a C on the truck for Fire Colton. Wow, there's so many layers to that meme hexagon right there. Wow, yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:35 All the channels, shows, and brands that came after LTT is the next one. So we've got WAN, Short Circuit, Floatplane, Macaddress, TechLink, TechQuickie, and GameLinked. Very nice, very nice. Missing Floatplane? No. Oh, wait, no, Floatplane's in there. Oh, wait, macaddress, techlink, techquickie, and gamelinked. Very nice. Very nice. Missing, uh... Floatplane? No.

Starting point is 00:33:47 Oh, wait, no, floatplane's in there. No, that's there. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Channel Superfun. Where the f*** is Channel Superfun? That's not the only one. Nowhere. Oh, hold on.

Starting point is 00:33:57 Well, LMG Clips doesn't count. Ah, it's still one more. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Rip Carpool Critics. it's still one more oh oh oh rip carpool critics you were never loved that much in all in all seriousness though it actually like the people who found it loved it oh yeah and the a couple episodes that i listened to back when

Starting point is 00:34:21 they were kind of figuring out the style for it and everything i actually really enjoyed i think they did a great job of it i think it's just not our wheelhouse and the podcasting space is like way oversaturated it's super competitive yeah uh oh number six what do you think six is don't look i didn't i didn't i didn't okay so the the one with the saw and the hammer scrapyard wars oh yeah 100 yeah we got socks and sandals and a drop to gpu the original linus tech tips opening branding stolen from tom arnold very nice very not that tom arnold tom arnold the artist at ncix and to be clear he actually reproduced this for us uh very recently i i didn't expect him to do that i asked him do you have the original artwork by by chance and without prompting buddy was like no but i like remade it for you i was like oh you

Starting point is 00:35:09 don't have to do that tom that's really nice but you really didn't have to do that but it's done now thank you so much um number nine f***ing eggshell love it that got a whole tile wow really okay okay so this is another combo one what what's what's the combo next to the eggshell one okay so the cat ears thing but then is that also that's like the the intro the intro with the smiley face yeah but it has the like music behind it so i'm assuming it's a reference to that song yeah yeah yeah you got all of it i don't remember the name of the song okay what about 11 what's that 11 so that's this one yeah yeah okay well 69 degrees nice this the tubing's in a particular shape yes what's it clearly water cooling is it supposed to represent is that like a roof? Is this whole room water cooling?

Starting point is 00:36:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, got there. Yep. Got there. And the next one's pretty obvious. Yeah. All the lands. Whale Land, Highlander.

Starting point is 00:36:13 I have to admit, I haven't looked at this one yet. I am not sure what is on fire. It's something. I know the next two after that, but this one. Something on fire hot takes like oh does it have something to do with hot takes oh no it's the roast oh but i mean you know what i actually like your double interpretation of it that's pretty good the roast makes sense though because it's a coffee bean on fire yeah so i get it now it's just meant to be some of the some of the noteworthy things that have happened over the last 15 years. Super cool.

Starting point is 00:36:45 Sarah did a great job. Massive A assist. Sorry, an A doesn't sound that great. Massive assist to the community for helping her out with the stream. That's really cool. Thank you so much, you guys. Oh, the fact that it comes in a pink shirt

Starting point is 00:37:00 is actually kind of rad. Oh, what do you got? It comes in pink. That actually makes a ton of sense. Yeah, it's cool that's the one i would want i think i think the the pink shirt is the like canonically correct shirt i don't know but of course if we need a black one we'll just we'll just print yeah there's always a we'll just print you a black shirt because we know that's what you want. All right. It's just not correct to the original novel.

Starting point is 00:37:30 That's all. All right. So why don't we jump in? Oh, right. We're supposed to do a couple of merch messages. Yeah, that'd be fancy. Yeah, cool. So merch messages.

Starting point is 00:37:41 I probably don't have to tell most of you how they work, but hey, we don't do super chats. We don't do Twitch bits. We do merch messages because that way, even if we don't get to tell most of you how they work, but hey, we don't do super chats. We don't do Twitch bits. We do merch messages because that way, even if we don't get to your merch message, you'll still get your awesome products in the mail. Can I read them out in that way? Dan, can you check your team's messages? Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:37:56 You guys are apparently working on this. I will read one of these curated ones out though. I really like this first one. I'm going to broadcast it. What is the worst game that you've ever played? something one of these curated ones out though i really like this first one uh i'm gonna broadcast it what is the worst game that you've ever played either funny bad or actually bad oh oh oh oh oh worst game i've ever played well it had to be one of the ones that we played when we did that uh when we did that gaming night where we bought the cheapest games on steam like one after the other there was that prison fight simulator oh yeah yeah that was a really bad game i still remember the name of a

Starting point is 00:38:32 lot of of a lot of those games we still play some of those games barrow barrow let's go barrow barrow prison fight simulator we played that one where we threw rocks at each other threw rocks at each other what was oh uh okay i don't remember that one i don't remember the name but i remember hoops which kind of fun actually yeah a lot of them were like or hooping hooping fun in their own weird ways uh hooping hold on oh no no no hooping steam no grapple hoops no no okay what was it called i thought it was oh no basketing that's what it's called i think that's correct basketing it's a dollar 23 canadian so this is a one this is a one u.s dollar game and basically you're a little ball and you try to put well you try to basket it it's like extremely bad Rocket League basketball.

Starting point is 00:39:25 Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. It's actually kind of fun. It's legitimately fun. For the amount of money that it costs, it was worth it to me. It is well worth the cost of admission. I had a good enough time to pay that fee. Yeah, I would actually strongly recommend

Starting point is 00:39:41 if you and the gang are kind of bored and you're just like oh yeah i don't know what do you want to play i don't know what do you want to play look up the absolute cheapest online co-op games on steam a lot of it'll be trash remember that one that was basically just a tutorial like it was like a game creation tutorial yeah that we that someone just uploaded to steam that was lame that was probably the worst game yes that i've ever played yeah it was like an fps but i don't really if i remember correctly it was like a unity game development tutorial that someone did basically nothing to be on the tutorial and then uploaded to steam yeah and we bought it yeah for like 30 cents or something it was basically

Starting point is 00:40:21 nothing like it was it's a a very very very small outlay but it was really fun really really fun just playing these super janky random random games my my favorite answer for this has always been uh the 2009 first person shooter just amazing stunning game that you've definitely heard of called rogue warrior um i played this when i was at university and uh i thought the voice lines in this game were so hilariously unhinged that i ended up playing it on speakers and my roommates just kind of like sat around and listened while they did other things and we just laughed at everything oh yeah that makes a lot of sense uh it definitely doesn't deserve any rating better than that it's not a good game it's just really funny um if i remember correctly warrior is based off of a book um okay let me see rogue warrior book yeah and this guy i didn't know this until way after i played the game i saw the game on some crazy sale um yeah okay yeah uh so this this game is based off of a book called rogue warrior that was written by

Starting point is 00:41:51 uh what there's his name richard marsinko richard marsinko i think is the voice actor no he's the writer i think he might also be the voice actor. I don't remember what it is, but the lines in the game are hilarious because they're just so crazy. It's been a really, really long time since I've played it. But yeah, it turns out that this guy was like, he was one of the members of some military some military thing in the states called red cells where they used to uh run attacks on american military bases to like find vulnerabilities

Starting point is 00:42:34 like he was like really hardcore and then he got like i don't know he got in trouble for like some crazy stuff and then wrote a book called rogue warrior then it turned into this game and it's just wild got it yes so yeah joe yeah that guy it's nuts um don't go into it expecting a good game only play it if you can find bad games with hilarious voice lines entertaining that's it okay got it sounds good to me way overly hyper aggro at all points in time what look at this anonymous this is a block of text so that dan has to read because of the lgt store sale good response dan i love it yeah we're getting a few merch messages today I'm gonna need you to read them to each other today

Starting point is 00:43:27 at least for this one that's fine oh no oh wow the dashboard page took a long time to load the larger the number gets the slower it goes the merch message per minute counter

Starting point is 00:43:44 is at 15 16 holy it just popped up to 7 18 what the actual is going on here okay next question what are your thoughts on the future of thread ripper i already got burned on the first gen 1950x with basically no real upgrade path and motherboards that keep dying okay one of our topics for the show this week is actually thread ripper so i'll answer your question first and then i guess we'll get into thread ripper because i think they're going to be kind of related i don't know amd has been so inconsistent in their support for the Threadripper platform. You identified one of the problems going from first-gen Threadripper to second-gen Threadripper. The core counts went up substantially.

Starting point is 00:44:34 So all of a sudden, the VRMs for some of those first-generation boards were not designed for these new processors, particularly if you were going to really push them with multi-core workloads then things really hit the fan with threadripper 3000 where amd effectively admitted that the original threadripper platform was not sufficient released a new platform but said no no but this time this time we're going to support it. There's going to be an upgrade path. Rug pull. We got nothing. Threadripper 3000 never got a mainstream upgrade. Instead, you had to go Threadripper Pro, which you guessed it, got an entirely new socket and platform. So that's four generations of Threadripper.

Starting point is 00:45:22 I'm talking 1000, two thousand three thousand they skipped four thousand and then five thousand so these four generations of thread ripper three platforms and thread ripper five was only thread ripper pro so now we get thread ripper seven thousand yet another new platform that is five generations of cpus four platforms intel at their worst would give you two generations of cpus per platform amd is giving us 1.25 that is a terrible terrible track record with all of that said with all of that said, who cares? Red Ripper 7000 is awesome. And our review of it, I think, has a pretty intentional tone.

Starting point is 00:46:21 We are tired of being just sort of cynical all the time. I think that it's exhausting for our team. I think it's exhausting for the audience and what we want to do going forward is we want to get back to our roots which for us for me and the rest of the writing team is just being excited about technology and so if that means covering something that is super expensive and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever but is really cool then we're just gonna do it um and but in a different way than we might have done it in the past like before we'd just do like holy look at this thing uh whereas now i mean yeah we've got the labs team to support it so let's do a review let's review threadripper 7000 but i don't want to get bogged down in yeah this thing makes no sense and no one

Starting point is 00:47:06 should buy it. And all, you know what, all of that, all of that might be true, but what we always did in the past. And I think we, I think we kind of lost track of at some point was we let you guys make that call. So sure. We do draw some conclusions in the video, but for the most part, we stick to the script. We go, here's what it is, here's how it did well, here's where it did not so well, and we think there are some challenges here, but at the end of the day, this is up to you to decide if you guys think that this is the kind of thing that you would like however what we've discovered is that not a lot of you are very interested in it and honestly i don't know i don't know what this means for the high-end desktop as a as a as a segment like we when it went away when amd didn't bother refreshing ryzen thread ripper 3000 i kind of went well this sucks because now all of a sudden my choices are mainstream processors which at this point have plenty of cores but might not have the ram support

Starting point is 00:48:22 certainly not multi-channel like more than dual channel ram but even capacity might not have the RAM support, certainly not multi-channel, like more than dual channel RAM, but even capacity, might not have the RAM support that I would want for a prosumer workload, like video editing, for example, or running a small home lab where I might have a lot of virtual machines running. I need a lot of CPU cores,

Starting point is 00:48:39 but I'm not doing anything serious on it. So I don't need a Threadripper Pro. I don't need an Epic. And in some cases epic doesn't even make any sense because the tdps are are so low the clock speeds are so low and they don't support overclocking those enthusiast features that tinkerers like to play with right um so i i was i was upset when all when threadripper went away because it filled this niche perfectly but then it went away for a generation and now

Starting point is 00:49:06 it's come back and it's like stronger and more powerful than ever but in a way that doesn't make any sense anymore like it's got all the cores it's got support for i believe it's up to a terabyte of memory on the non-pro on the like consumer threadripper skews but that's the thing is threadripper never needed that that was never the point of threadripper SKUs. But that's the thing is Threadripper never needed that. That was never the point of Threadripper. It was supposed to be a little bit hamstrung. Oh yeah, the other thing Threadripper's always had is lots of PCIe lanes.

Starting point is 00:49:33 You want to have a bunch of storage devices or you want to have a bunch of peripherals connected to your system. You don't want them going through PCIe switches. Threadripper was the way to go. It was a PCIe switch. And the new ones have all of that, but they're at this price that just doesn't make any sense. Like here, let's, okay, it's Black Friday, right? Let's go on Newegg.com and search for a Threadripper motherboard. Here we go.

Starting point is 00:50:01 a Threadripper motherboard. Here we go. Goodness gracious. Yeah, and then the Pro chips came out and they were even more ridiculous. There's the 96 core for, I don't know, a cool 10 grand. Okay, where's the motherboard? Here we go, here we go.

Starting point is 00:50:26 Yeah. Actually, that's not as? Here we go. Here we go. Yeah. Actually, that's not as bad as I thought. Yeah, okay. That's a board whose pricing I was familiar with. That's $1,000 for a motherboard. This is not even.ca, is it? This is Threadripper Pro, though. Hold on.

Starting point is 00:50:43 Hold on. Okay, so regular Threadripper. Here's a, oh, man. You're on the American side. Then there's American dollars. Yeah. Hold on, hold on. Where's the, yeah, here we go.

Starting point is 00:50:55 Threadripper Pro. Oh, man, the stupid chipsets this time. So they've got the workstation chipset. We didn't even get into this in the video because it's just like, realistically, no one's buying this shit. Who cares? But they've got two chips sets for the same socket.

Starting point is 00:51:08 And then the pro chip set supports only the pro chips, but the non pro chip set supports the non pro chips and the pro chips, but the pro chips are kneecapped because they support more memory channels, but these boards don't. I believe they support more PCIe memory channels but these boards don't i believe they support more pci e-lanes but these boards don't so there would be kind of no point buying a non-pro board and putting a pro chip in it but i i mean it's all obviously artificially locked down at that point you could intel has done it although that was a mess i shouldn't say artificially

Starting point is 00:51:40 locked down it probably makes sense to lock down those uh those pro tier boards from having the non-pro chips in them because you would have features that just don't work slots that just don't work remember when intel had those hdt um those hdt chips that like some of them had x number of pcie lanes and some of them had x plus whatever and so you'd put these chips into a board and you have this like complicated block diagram for like which slots didn't work or which ones operated at half speed when you had a certain kind of chip in it that's fun anyway my my point is the 64 core thread ripper non-pro let me see if i can find it here we go so the pro is 73 49 on new egg and the non-pro 64 core is five grand by the time you are spending five grand on a chip presumably this is not enthusiast tier anymore remember when intel launched extreme edition yeah and it was like a thousand dollars for a cpu have you lost your minds

Starting point is 00:52:46 landish yeah they were actually very mad like don't forget you still have to buy the rest of this computer yeah have you lost your minds right yeah this is five thousand dollars for a chip that is not that's not consumer pricing that's not prosumer pricing That's not prosumer pricing. That's not enthusiast pricing. That's just nothing. That is business pricing. That is, I am making money with this machine pricing. That's microtransaction gamer pricing. And so at that point,

Starting point is 00:53:16 and I kind of made this point in the video, what's the difference? You might as well just spend the extra two grand on the pro one that has the extra security features. It has the additional memory bandwidth. It has the additional PCIe lanes. What I'm going to spend, I'm going to spend the extra two grand on the pro one that has the extra security features it has the additional memory bandwidth it has the additional pcie lanes what i'm going to spend i'm going to spend there's no way there is no way that you are configuring a thread ripper you know high core count system here and you're walking away with a cart that's less than 10 grand not even close

Starting point is 00:53:40 and so by the time you're spending 10 grand on this professional workstation presumably that you're going to make money with you're going to spend the extra two grand you're going to get the proper one because of course you are if you if you wanted something that was good enough you would have just gotten a ryzen 79 50x 3d and been done with it it's 16 cores it already does what you do no offense of them yeah And if it doesn't do what you do, then you might as well get the good one. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:54:08 So I just don't understand. It just seems like a nothing product for nobody. And it sucks because Threadripper used to be really cool. Yeah. You know, like that was... OG Threadripper was like a vibe it was amd's nod to the community that had supported them for all these years continuing to buy their processors even though they totally sucked it was like an actual hey this thing doesn't make any sense

Starting point is 00:54:39 um but here you go you're welcome thanks for Thanks for your support. I actually don't think there was a huge profit motivation behind Threadripper because it's pretty obvious as time has gone on that those kinds of chips would, any fab time they have to build those kinds of chips would be better allocated to server chips. And they hadn't built up much market share in the server space at that time. So I guess it kind of made sense to just ship them as Threadrippers. But the second it did make sense for them to just build epics or build workstation chips, AMD completely forgot about us and was like, yeah, I don't know. F*** it.

Starting point is 00:55:14 If you want to spend five grand for a CPU, then I guess you can have it. But I don't know, man. I'm not into it. I don't think that you're being that cool about it of course as as we as we know no company is your friend amd is not your friend intel's not your friend nvidia is super not your friend um and you know the second they can charge more for something they will and what we need is competition what we need is intel to get their head in the game in the hdt space, come after Threadripper. But the problem is that

Starting point is 00:55:45 coming after Threadripper is like, honestly, probably kind of a waste of their time. Like I think AMD is going to sell so few of these things because the pricing is out to lunch and makes no sense that Intel might not even identify it as something worth competing with man like og thread was so cool they do i built uh i built a video there was so much hype around a video recording server for that badminton center remember that yeah during the covid

Starting point is 00:56:20 lockdowns i wanted to watch my son's tournaments and And so I set up his local badminton center with a, um, with these SDI cameras on every court. And then, um, we had it all Brian, the electrician and I actually wired it all up. And,

Starting point is 00:56:37 um, I set them up with a system that was capable of processing all those video streams. And I had to be able to do more than just the five for the five courts because I had to be able to encode both for the stream and for the local recording in case they wanted to look back through it with the kids and, you know, go through, like, analysis of the gameplay and coaching and that kind of stuff, right?

Starting point is 00:56:59 So I needed to be able to handle 10 concurrent video encodes. And doing that with a GPU. That is totally a possibility doing that with a CPU. That is totally a possibility. Guess what is the best solution in either of those cases? Honestly, I was reading chat for a second thread ripper. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:20 Yeah. I got a, I got a couple generate. I, at that time it was a couple generational thread ripper. I picked up a 1950 X, which is like 16 cores there's a lot of freaking cores it was the best solution for actually a lot of stuff at that time and it was it was very exciting people were stoked when they heard that someone was doing a threadripper project and more importantly the 1950x had a ton

Starting point is 00:57:40 of pcie so whether i wanted to put a couple GPUs in there, I could do that. Whether I wanted to do some CPU encoding, you know, maybe on, okay, this is like the showcase court where they put like, you know, the semis and the finals and stuff like that. You know, we could have a nicer encoding quality on that one.

Starting point is 00:57:57 You know, right? I could do some CPU encoding as well. It gave me so much flexibility. And those things were affordable because they were affordable from the get-go. And because AMD was doing so much and innovating so much flexibility and those things were affordable because they were affordable from the get-go and because amd was doing so much and innovating so much when it came to adding core accounts when it came to delivering cp upgraded newer cpus that had all this pcie on them and i mean nowadays you go you go and you try and find like uh uh here for crying out loud you go and you try and find like a 3970x

Starting point is 00:58:26 thread ripper and they are outlandishly expensive still i was able to pick up that 1950x for next to nothing because amd was still innovating and they were still shipping much better processors now you're expected to pay 1300 1600 oh that's a combo but you're expected to pay over a thousand dollars for one of these bloody chips because intel just stopped intel amd just stopped yeah see i got them confused because they're behaving the same amd just stopped innovating and i don't count yeah we made it twice as fast but it can now cost twice as much i don't count that as innovating who do you think you are nvidia like i just it's frustrating and i i guess that's i guess that's all i have to say about that breadwinner 7000 super cool as an enthusiast who doesn't have a budget

Starting point is 00:59:12 am i gonna put one in my computer i mean yeah i gotta heat my pool somehow but but would i actually recommend that anyone buy one no no i don't think so there's it's interesting because you you took that merch message so far that you actually did an entire topic that is in the doc i know i told them i was going to do that you were busy on your phone oh that makes sense it's okay i'll just host the show myself today i fixed it if that helps oh good good job uh what was i gonna say we have one more we have one more to do all right 15 years of ltd let's go what is something you wish 15 more could be brought back from somewhere in the last 15 years to now

Starting point is 00:59:55 you know i was gonna say really wacky case designs but i almost feel like they've leveled up yeah i i wasn't sure how to take this necessarily like is this something from ltd or is this something from the industry i don't know i'm gonna i'm gonna take it however you want yeah i'm gonna play it kind of loose here yeah um brought back from the last 15 years to now. Man, I wish that core unlocking was still a thing. Remember those crazy MSI, like copper shrouded gold edition GPUs? Like NVIDIA used to do wild stuff sometimes amd used to do wild stuff sometimes where they

Starting point is 01:00:47 would just to create product segmentation they would they would manually lock off cores or or because they didn't hit their internal power draw or thermal targets or whatever they would they would fuse off cores on gpus or cpus but enterprising users would figure out how to unlock them and in in the case of that particular gpu i think the unlock rate was like over 50 so you could turn this like hobbled gpu into a full fat one if you were willing to just give it a little bit more beans and it had this like great copper shroud on it um that was able to handle the cooling no problem um i'm gonna see if i can find it a lot of people are saying gpu prices yeah that's probably the like price is a big one what do you want for the world world peace type of answer where it's just like objectively correct

Starting point is 01:01:37 recognize this yeah this is my video yeah yeah yeah of. So it could unlock to a 470, I think. Yeah, yeah, today we are. 465 copper. All copper. Twin Frozr golden edition. Yeah. Oh, whoopsie. The Twin Frozr cards used to be so sick. You can really tell where the cool stuff is going to happen right here.

Starting point is 01:02:00 Right there. There it is. Oh, yeah, here, here. Wait for the copper. Wait for the copper. Here it is. Man, all copper coolers. Okay, yeah. All copper coolers is another thing I would bring back. Apparently thermal, right. Just did like a throwback all copper cooler recently. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:13 That's pretty good. I just got it in my lap. Yeah. And what a professional, what a professional, look at this thing. That thing is sick. Hold hold on where's the theater mode yeah right there you go oh yeah oh twin frozer man it looks so good linus can you hold it still for like three seconds i'm trying to look at all the sexy copper heat pipes look at that thing and you could unlock it for like extra cuda cores or whatever run that thing in sli let's go i i think i yeah okay gpu prices sure i agree um but to throw a little bit of a curve i i'd say just overclocking in general sure it's like not really that much of a thing anymore and i i think the the experience of building a computer a lot of it used to be like okay tuning you you did all the research you

Starting point is 01:03:03 bought all the parts you got them all home you put them all together now you gotta make it really work you know i mean i do like things being a little easier sometimes i when i'm in a hurry um yeah but that's because you do it for work four days ago thermal right uh announced this wait that's new yeah this is brand new so this is like a throwback um that looks awesome in fact i believe this part number is even very similar to one of their old all copper coolers this looks sick oh it's great um but yeah i actually i don't agree i think when things get too easy they get boring i think you're i think you're being the linux community right now sure all right well we're on the same page then windows is boring no yeah that's fair fortunately for me i actually

Starting point is 01:03:52 want windows to be boring yeah okay fair enough but i don't want my computer to be boring i see yeah if i'm actually interested in the, I want it to be kind of bad. Because then it's more fun. If I'm not interested in the thing, I want it to be great because I don't want to ever need to think about it. All right. Well, my brain hurts. Good stuff.

Starting point is 01:04:22 What are we supposed to be doing now? Dan sounds stressed. You doing okay over there dan we're getting a few merch messages today did you set it to no delay so they just go or like uh yeah uh how are we doing here hey we're, you know what? It's getting a little bit more manageable now, I think. Have you seen? Here, hold on. No, I mean, that's only 13 merch messages per minute now. That's pretty good. I mean, look, I didn't say manageable.

Starting point is 01:04:55 I said more manageable. Is that right? It's so slow. It's so laggy. Yeah, the poor dashboard is struggling under the weight. You know, I kind of thought that after we did a stream already today, there wouldn't be nearly as much merch message momentum going into WAN show, but I underestimated the WAN show audience.

Starting point is 01:05:16 It was fine until you explained it, and then I got 200. I was on top of it for the first 45 minutes when we did 200. Right. And then came the hundos. Uh-huh. Yep. Now we're in it. Now we're in it, guys.

Starting point is 01:05:31 We're in it to win it. We're in it to win it. What is MMPs? That's not merch messages per second. Oh, merch messages that have arrived in the last second. So if that number goes above one, then that's a little scary. Mm-hmm. Yep. Got it. Okay. I need to go now goodbye occasionally it it moves pretty fast

Starting point is 01:05:51 cool all right hey Sony patents save states now hold on a second that's not quite what they did yeah it sounds like the worst thing ever the sources insider gaming and Kotaku this month Sony filed a patent that would allow and this is a quote users to track back through a campaign and select a specific moment in time without needing to replay entire or the whole game. The patent titled Content Streaming with Gameplay Launch shows that gameplay sequences would be split up into subchapters complete with trigger points

Starting point is 01:06:40 that players can select from. How is this different? It's different because rather than using predetermined chapter breaks, it appears the game data will be used to bookmark specific interest points like a boss fight or an achievement this just sounds like quick saves what like if you have a game that quick saves when you like go through doors fight bosses and in this case also get achievements which i've heard of all of them except for get achievements but i'm sure some game has that because why not i don't know

Starting point is 01:07:35 then is this not the same thing you just keep all of them instead of them overriding themselves. I was kind of hoping... There'd be something there. Yeah, you game more than me, but I was kind of hoping that maybe you would have some kind of light to shut. Because when I heard this, basically all I heard was, Sony patented save states.

Starting point is 01:07:59 So that headline is from me. Yeah. That was when I... I think I actually sent this to the news team last week because this is a last week topic. I just thought it was wildly funny that A,

Starting point is 01:08:11 Sony would think to patent this and B, that anyone would think it makes any sense to grant a patent around a method of saving your game. Wait, was this actually granted?

Starting point is 01:08:23 Like they have this patent? Oh no, filed. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. To imagine that anyone would grant a patent for this. around a method of saving your game actually granted like they have this oh no filed sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry yeah because imagine that anyone would grant a patent there's no way because because it's not like when you were first describing it i was like oh wow so they mean you can effectively like you know in racing games where you can rewind like a rewind i was like they mean you could rewind the whole game i was was like, that's actually kind of crazy. And then it's just like, no. It just quick saves and we just keep the quick saves

Starting point is 01:08:53 instead of overriding the quick saves. The Insider Gaming article about this is kind of positive about it. What? Says, this will be a huge win for content creators, for example. Do you want to make a video showcasing how to defeat a particular boss? Well, with this new feature, you can jump straight to that fight, he's so upset, without

Starting point is 01:09:13 needing to tailor a save around it or play the game up to that point, which might be several hours at least. Are you drunk? Like, have you ever played a video game before what are you talking about was this written by ai now there are some cool things about it these trigger points these like save points will be offered to the player while they stream media watching back through gameplay which they'll be able to select at will um so i think if there is some room for innovation here like a better save point browser like that's something that sure many games do a terrible job of whether it's auto saves that are only one so if you didn't manually save for a while right and you've only got one auto save if you go through a door

Starting point is 01:10:06 in a dire situation with one hp and there's an enemy there you basically effectively create a non-progression bug yeah yeah right like there's there's there's uh oh man the fact that not every game has a screenshot of what that save is. That blows my mind. The screenshots are very useful. So, so if Sony is creating a system wide system for this, so that every game on PlayStation just automatically allows you to pick up

Starting point is 01:10:37 anywhere that you leave off and really, really easy browsing of these points where you can, you know, use their hyper fast ssd or whatever to load up you know like a metadata version of rendering through the gameplay okay i'm not saying i think any of this is patentable i'm just saying there's a lot of room for innovation here and a patent is not the way to push that forward yeah yeah yeah anyway there's even games that allow infinite save files yeah for sure yeah there's a bunch of them yeah lots so effectively what it sounds like sony is

Starting point is 01:11:18 kind of trying to patent is a better way of browsing them is it where do they even talk about that that's that's that's my interpretation but they don't even talk about browsing them at all that's my turn no no they do they do they talk about they talk about browsing like you could be watching through your gameplay back through and just be like oh yeah that point I want to play from there and just and just go so that's that's kind of cool where do they say that again i don't know they talk about trigger points yeah trigger points trigger points that you get to select from not watch through your game will be offered to the player while they stream media watching back through

Starting point is 01:11:54 gameplay which they'll be able to select it will so it records all your gameplay yeah well i think it would be more of like a recording the metadata of your gameplay yeah so it can yeah kind of like the rewind feature in a racing game but again that exists yeah it's called the rewind feature in a racing game yeah um so i i really think they're gonna have a hard time getting a patent granted for this but hey if at least this starts the conversation around it would be pretty nice if saving was better yeah if saving was better and loading was better, then, hey, maybe that's a W. If loading was better?

Starting point is 01:12:31 Yeah, like browsing and loading the correct save. I mean, the number of times that I've loaded the wrong save, which, I mean, depending on the game, can actually be a substantial time sink. It's like, oh, no, it wasn't that one. Okay, hold on. Maybe it was this one on that level. Some trying to find something right load from inside the game so you have to exit to main menu and then search again it's just ridiculous pretty annoying uh what else we got what do you

Starting point is 01:12:54 want to talk about here you seem to be you seem to be here now what would you like to discuss so you're good uh folding month and prizing update yeah sure why not folding month has finished week three and the team has already doubled the performance from the are you going to explain what folding month is for the uninitiated folding month it's probably better explained on the forum but

Starting point is 01:13:18 the Linus tech tips dot com forum has a wow I typed two L's at the beginning of that oh linus um there we go uh but yeah there's a folding section and folding folding at home if you've never heard of it which honestly at this point is probably likely this used to be a thing that was like talked about a lot in computing spaces but i don't know if it is anymore. But Folding at Home is a distributed computing project aimed to help scientists develop new therapeutics for a variety of diseases by the means of simulating protein dynamics.

Starting point is 01:14:01 This includes the process of protein folding, which is where the name comes from, and the movements of proteins. And it like actually looks kind of cool when you're doing it but it uses a bunch of compute power um it's like what people would do to run their computers pretty hard pre pre-coin mining um nice and it was more useful because it can actually help contribute to uh like curing diseases scientific research cool stuff like that yeah so here boom there we go folding month the sixth yeah remember first of december 6th a bunch of community prizes a bunch of lmg prizes yep steam codes cool stuff like that uh ltt store oh wow we've got uh a hundred dollar ltt store gift cards over 20 oh we've got 20 of them uh some four terabyte ssds yeah we've got some good stuff so all you got to do is a dream machine check out the link i think we should have it in the video

Starting point is 01:14:57 description um and join up join the folding team let's add some more folding power. All right. What else do you want to talk about today? Well, there's a surprising update. Sabrent is providing two Sabrent Rocket 4 plus 4TB G drives. Ubiquiti is providing three prize packs of a U6 mesh access

Starting point is 01:15:19 point and a Switch Flex. That is very cool. Although the event is currently closed to new entrance you can still join the event uh and and just help in general and you can keep an eye out for when we do it next time north laker in twitch chat says just watched an ltd video where linus said to warn him on when show on 24th of november that he went to the wrong timeline. It was the RX 6700 video. Well, based on that, that's still in that video. I guess your warning came too late.

Starting point is 01:15:53 I already went back in time to fix the problem or something. We did a shtick in that video where AMD's pricing was out of line. um amd's pricing was out of line and it was like something something something future me something comes back to tell me like oh they dropped the price and it's way better now and like all this stuff but then i talked to actually talked about this on the stream earlier but most of you probably weren't there amd kind of helped out consumers but screwed us over by altering the pricing i think like 24 hours before embargo lift and they happened to change the pricing to within 10 of what we predicted so we recorded our whole video with this bold prediction about what was going to happen after AMD launched this overpriced stupid GPU. And before we even got a chance to launch it,

Starting point is 01:16:51 AMD did exactly what we thought they were going to do. And so the whole intro, and we had this thing where someone comes back in time and kills me or something. It was like a whole thing. We managed to salvage a lot of it, but the original cut of the video wouldn't have made any sense with the new pricing from amd that did make sense so hey thank you for the warning i appreciate you

Starting point is 01:17:16 all right yeah ubisoft embeds pop-ups uh pop-up ads in old games oh wow now i've known about this because i play all these old ubisoft games from time to time but it's usually just on like you know you load the game there's like the play options settings whatever it's usually just in the corner on that screen very similar if you remember when we were talking about the starfield ui back in the day and i was like that logo in the corner that that screen. Very similar. If you remember when we were talking about the Starfield UI back in the day, and I was like that logo in the corner, that's going to end up being an ad spot. The reason why I called that out is because Ubisoft has been doing that for years.

Starting point is 01:17:53 So as a bunch of other games to be completely honest, Ubisoft is not alone in doing that at all. But what's different this time around is that it wasn't just on that first screen. Oh no. this time around is that it wasn't just on that first screen oh no uh there was multiple reports that ubisoft was placing ads for their black friday sale in gameplay when people would like open the map and stuff it would pop up then really brutal uh ubisoft claimed that the ads were meant to appear on the main screen and that they appeared during gameplay

Starting point is 01:18:26 due to a technical error okay i mean yeah look i mean we've had we've had our own instances of gross incompetence leading to things that could have been perceived as negligent or okay they were negligent leading to things that could have been perceived as negligent or okay they were negligent leading to things that could have been perceived as malicious yeah um yeah so i'm not going to say that's impossible i'm also not going to say it's impossible that this was a little chaya thing yeah my my my hot take on this is that i think it might actually be because i think those old games don't exactly get a lot of love right so like the odds of that then getting actual development versus the odds of them getting neglected yeah so somebody

Starting point is 01:19:19 on high is just like hey we need this ad and somebody's like put it in everything yeah just and someone hooked it into the wrong probably didn't test it enough didn't do something or other i don't know um yeah that that's i uh yeah the the discussion question is like what kind of technical error would specifically open a pop-up ad when a player opens their map and it's like yeah i don't know there's a lot of weird yeah you'd be amazed um i i don't blame people for reacting that way i don't blame people for thinking that but things get a little weird like i saw a really interesting uh interview with one of the one of the developers of left for dead who is working on his own game right now apparently he's no longer with valve but But he talked about how the gameplay experience might have been good

Starting point is 01:20:09 in Left 4 Dead 1. But see, I never understood why Left 4 Dead 2 was just Left 4 Dead 1, but with more maps. And apparently the reason is that under the hood, Left 4 Dead 1 was a piece of shit. He talked about how they would have to load the map two to three times to get it to work like that was the workaround and so uh the one of the big driving forces for left for dead two was that left for dead one was unmodable the second

Starting point is 01:20:39 that anyone tried to mod it it would just it would just be crash city yeah um and so these are the kinds of things that i think as just you know a gamer who didn't work on the game you might look at and go oh yeah left 4 dead 2 cash grab or you know whatever else it is um but in reality it was just yeah kind of there there were factors there were factors that you you didn't fully understand yeah and there's some people saying like any form of ad in a video game that i paid for is wrong and it's like you know what that's fair enough but that's not this current topic because they've been doing that for a long time yeah that ship sailed a long time ago yeah by that logic any form of ad in a movie you paid for is unacceptable and there do be a lot of those by that logic any form of ad in a movie you paid for is unacceptable.

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Starting point is 01:23:24 so we could have gone with a 5000 series because she was running a 3600x or something like that so a 5800x 3d would have been a great option uh but the 7900x 3d had this um had this deal on new egg and i'm not sure if this is still valid oh i wonder if it's not on anymore oh i'm on.ca well get wrecked canadians checkmate um yeah newegg.com had this wild deal on the 7900x3d and they have like a combo builder this is not part of the sponsor talking points anymore this is just interesting i can't find it anymore which is really frustrating but they have like a bundle a combo builder. This is not part of the sponsor talking points anymore. This is just interesting. I can't find it anymore, which is really frustrating,

Starting point is 01:24:07 but they have like a bundle builder where you can make your own bundle. Do I just, do I just go to a bundle and then go to more options? Build your combo. Yeah, here it is. And we added the, hold on.

Starting point is 01:24:21 Where's the, where the devil's a CPU? I just want to, are these all Intel? Where did I, Oh did i oh intel combo oh for crying out loud well not the greatest experience shopping but there is a there's a deal here that i want to show you guys because it's freaking wild here we go here we go this one this one 7900x 3d for 490 with avatar frontier of whatever who cares and a free ddr5 6032 gig kit yeah that's pretty sick that's a hundred dollar value why would you ever buy the non x 3d the not like gaming centric one or the the the for fewer core 7800 x 3d for only like what does that work out

Starting point is 01:25:08 to like 25 less or something like that this is a killer deal i i love this deal um anyway that's that's all i have to say about that so so instead of just going with a chip i was like yo sedan are you down to sell your old stuff on facebook marketplace just yeet that pick up this pick up a board and you're good to go cpu and ram done and all you need is a motherboard like that's crazy yeah yeah anywho um i can do those uh it's gonna have to load but i can do those at a certain point yeah the merch message dashboard is working overtime today yes yeah as soon as it goes over about 100 150 it starts to behave like this yeah that's fixable you have to rewrite the entire thing there's just

Starting point is 01:26:02 other stuff to work on and we're like this, this isn't really going to happen that often. I will be faster next time. I am sorry, sir. Yeah, honestly, it's a Dan problem. It is a skill issue. I am working on it. You need to be able to respond to 17 a minute, okay? I'm trying.

Starting point is 01:26:19 I'm nearly there. I'm like at 14, but the number still goes up. You have to be more than that. Or the number goes up. It's like any good video game. I'm just there. I'm like at 14, but the number still goes up. You have to be more than that or the number goes up. It's like any good video game. I'm just bad at it. If your WPM is not like 400, what are you even doing? Yeah, I mean, I can burst type it like 200 words per minute,

Starting point is 01:26:35 but then the spelling kind of goes out. Yeah, it gets a little rough. I think if there's spelling errors, that's sort of par for the course today. Yeah, I don't think Chrome's auto-correct spelling works. So, cool. Sorry. Okay, well, I got it working. of par for the course today yeah i don't think chrome's autocorrect spelling works so cool sorry okay well i got it working uh greetings lld i've always heard that you shouldn't buy a tv during black friday because it's common for companies to bait and switch to a cheaper designed product

Starting point is 01:26:57 is that still the case i think it really depends what you are looking at if you're looking at like a a 119.99 tv it is possible that you will end up your your 120 tv will have been costed down in some way compared to if that model number had been reviewed six months ago or a year ago or whatever else but i didn't even know this was a thing that's brutal uh but i i think like tinfoil hats aside that is very unlikely to happen on a like uh uh how do i how do i put this on on a like a recognizable part number from a a larger tv brand like an lg a samsung vizio someone like that i i just i just don't i don't see them disrupting their supply chain to do one deal and the reality of it is that if they are cheaping out in a way that is going to affect the product performance and quality they are opening themselves up to a ton of legal or returns liability that would grossly grossly outweigh any

Starting point is 01:28:10 potential gain that they could have from selling a few more tvs on black friday i i just don't um i i just don't see that being realistic i i could see, like I said, you know, if you're buying like an RCA TV where like the brand has changed hands multiple times and it could be any random thing under there. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's gonna continue to be the case. But I think that as those rando brands

Starting point is 01:28:38 have become more accessible day to day, like you can get a Black Friday deal on a cheap, like cheaply made crappy tv any day you just go on wish.com or whatever right okay wish.com doesn't have a ton of tv deals but i think you guys get my point um i just i just don't think that that's as much of a black friday phenomenon as maybe it once was okay uh hi lld how would you handle the soulless aspects of a job where you are asked uh where you are asked to do i'm assuming asked to do things that feel slightly less than your moral standard for pushing an add-on purchase you know they don't need

Starting point is 01:29:30 purchase you know they don't need um i mean i generally ignored whatever spits we were offered back when i was at ncix or you know what we were told to push and that got me promoted uh because my customers loved that they got good stuff that was really good and uh at a fair price i can't promise that it would work that way at every company. I think at a lot of companies that would just get you fired. So it all kind of comes, and look, I'm not gonna pass some kind of moral judgment

Starting point is 01:29:54 and say, well, then you should stand up and you should hand in your resignation or you are less of a man. Like that's ridiculous. I understand that everybody's gotta eat. And at the end of the day um business is always what it is um if there is if there's no margin in desktop pcs uh your your store is going to tell you hey try to attach a printer because there's good margin in that and if all you ever did was sell desktop pcs with no printers the store would ultimately go out

Starting point is 01:30:26 of business um you know you could try to you could you could try to talk to management say hey maybe we should charge more for pcs and then they would say well um good luck with that the store down the street has lower advertised prices on their p PCs and their reps do a really great job of upselling monster HDMI cables or whatever the, you know, modern equivalent of that is. And, uh, if we aren't in business, they're going to be the only ones left. So I guess the ends justify the means. I guess all I'm trying to say is this is clearly shades of gray and I'm not here to pass any kind of moral judgment. Um, you know, I always found that for me, I was able to create better relationships

Starting point is 01:31:07 with my customers by educating them, helping point them in the right direction, regardless of what corporate had to say about it. But NCIX just wasn't organized enough to discipline anyone for not getting with the program when it came to pushing products. So I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, when I used to do sales at Best Buy before i got into the geek squad side of things um i would actually sell a lot of stuff

Starting point is 01:31:33 um because i knew what i was talking about i guess um and i i would usually avoid upselling things in general but you also can't ignore that people might want those things so making them aware that they're available is not a bad idea like i wouldn't push someone to buy a a case for their laptop like a carrying case or a backpack backpack with a sleeve for the laptop or whatever but i would make sure they knew that we had them yeah education yeah education is key yeah um and you know because like people might actually be kind of pissed like i i would you would you would hear people that would come back in and be like i like scratched whatever and who knows if this is real or not but they'd be like i scratched my thing i'm like upset about this and then someone would be like well you could have

Starting point is 01:32:23 bought a case they'd be like well well no one told me yeah yeah i mean that's something like we're like if you uh if you tell someone if you ask someone hey do you want apple care and they're like no then you might go okay that's totally cool um would you consider a case i think that's a very reasonable way to to offer and attach without being a pushy jerk about it right it's it's all in the presentation too you can you can present options i think that's a really good point without you know cramming them down someone's throat and you might not like said thing but the customer might and they might still want to buy it yeah just educate them yeah and there's there are certain lines that i didn't want to cross in regards to things that we sold

Starting point is 01:33:07 that I thought were really stupid or absurdly overpriced or whatever. And I'm not necessarily suggesting this, but I do remember one time I walked into the NCX Langley store still wearing my Best Buy stuff. And one of the NCX people behind the desk asked me if I was the person that kept sending customers there.

Starting point is 01:33:30 Because I was. And there was certain things that we would sell that would be at Best Buy at that time that were really overpriced and really bad. And it's not that I didn't think like, this is not actually one of the examples, but I'm going to use printers as an example. It's not that I think printers are a bad idea for the customer i just think we have terrible ones that are going to break are bad and are overpriced so i would send them somewhere else in that case well cables were a classic one that people would say like i worked at an ncix that was near a best buy and we would often have people walking through the door looking for a cable that wasn't stupidly overpriced power cables yeah were like insanely expensive and people you want a 25 c13 power cables like are you kidding me yeah i mean the one that comes free with my rice cooker like yeah yeah i would send

Starting point is 01:34:16 people over for power and hdmi all the time oh yeah but like other stuff like i i had a sale with some dude i i broke like what we needed to sell for the entire weekend to one person on like a friday um because they came in looking for like a laptop for themselves ended up deciding to like outfit their whole office and got like software packages for all of them got all this other kind of stuff because he was like excited because i told him actual things about actual laptops that like no salesperson had told him before um and then he was like asking about like oh i i need a solution for this thing and i'm like well you can buy like that software and he's like brain explode and end up spending tons of money i didn't like upsell him yeah i just made sure he

Starting point is 01:35:06 knew and i understand there are there's a lot of gray in there but like i don't know he had a great experience and left very happy like i didn't i didn't push it when he was paying for it he knew exactly how much it was going to be it wasn't surprised by the bill that's the line right if someone else talked to this person and was knowledgeable and gave an assessment of how they were treated and the deal they got would they still be happy with how you treated them yeah and the deal they got yeah if the answer is yes you're good i've left a store spending more than i planned on and been stoked about it and i'm a very cheap person yep i i spent a fortune on my mattress yeah and i'm thrilled about it because i have never had an experience like that buying anything ever oh he told me all

Starting point is 01:35:59 about it and they're gone now and i'm sad yeah like buddy literally like took two pieces of the same foam and like got down on hands and knees while we were lying on this layered foam mattress and was like no that's slightly out of alignment we actually need to adjust like this middle layer and like got this one i was like no with this one flipped over yeah okay yeah there we go like Like got this one. I was like, no, with this one flipped over.

Starting point is 01:36:23 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There we go. Like, like calibrated, uh, the two sides of mine and Yvonne's mattress to each of our bodies. Like it was crazy.

Starting point is 01:36:32 Yeah. Um, cost a fortune. Actually, you know what? Not even that much more compared to going and buying one of the S brands, uh, from like sleep country or whatever.

Starting point is 01:36:43 Uh, super, super, super happy. Unfortunately, no, I don't have a name it was a it was a factory and on the north shore in vancouver that no longer appears to exist and that kind of makes sense because uh buddy who helped us was uh on the elderly side of things and i think they like we chatted with him for like an hour and a half or something like that like he wanted to transition to his kids running it, but hey, maybe that didn't work out for whatever reason.

Starting point is 01:37:08 So they don't seem to be there anymore. Yeah, which is sad because I actually tried to call them to go and just got a no line. Gertrude said, not advocating for commission-based sales, but there is little incentive for a Best Buy employee to upsell as there is no commission-based sales there. So Luke did all that out of passion and not for money. Yeah, I made nothing from it. I think you can still get spiffs, can't you? I didn't get anything.

Starting point is 01:37:33 I don't know. I've never worked at Best Buy. At that time, I got nothing. I think they have spiffs. It was so bad that I remember we had for like something that we did, I don't remember what, we had like a burger day and they like ran out of buns okay and the the GM of the store refused to like buy more buns so I walked to Walmart on my break and bought buns with my own money to like feed people at the store okay like they didn't care about us at all not even even slightly, but I liked my job. I liked the people in my department that I worked with the computer sales department and the Geek Squad department were cool. I didn't like like almost anyone else in the store. Customer support was cool.

Starting point is 01:38:17 Actually, the people at the front customer support and yeah, people are saying no, no spiffs in their time there. So no, not a thing. Wow. Yeah. There's like actually nothing. That's kind of stupid. No wonder nobody walks up to you to help you. All right, cool.

Starting point is 01:38:36 Yeah. Uh, AT shield nine 34 and float plane chat says as a former blue shirt, I can tell you that some major brands, Samsung and LG, will release specific models of TVs just for the holiday season. You can usually tell by the model number. Samsung's normal naming scheme is AAXX00 for their sub-QLED TVs.

Starting point is 01:38:55 For holiday TVs, this gets a little bit weird, like letter, letter, okay, whatever, some different thing. They're effectively the same same tv but one has an msrp of 650 and the other has an msrp of 850 with a sale of 300 off yeah that's that's not quite what they were asking about before where they were asking if there's like a different quality but

Starting point is 01:39:16 yes that is 100 something that exists is slightly different model numbers even from one chain to another to make it much more difficult to um cross shop and price compare around this time of year um that's even even away from the holiday season or like the shopping season it's pretty common to see slightly different part numbers at a best buy and at a costco and on it Costco and on the manufacturer website so that you are eliminating price matching requests because your retailers are going to get on you if they're getting a bunch of price match requests from their competitors who might have a better price,

Starting point is 01:39:59 whereas you can kind of slip that stuff under the radar if no customers flag it and it doesn't show up as like, yeah, we got like 300. like it would happen at ncix uh we we had monitoring for this where we'd get like 50 price match requests for something and the the first thing we'd do is we'd call up the brand be like yo what the fuck whoops i got timing wrong on that is going on with with this price why do they have better pricing than us how are they doing this deal because everyone's buying from the same person like okay like benq for example had one rep in the entire country so if someone's got a benq monitor for 50 cheaper than us then who sold it to them benq obviously so who are we gonna call and at about it? Because we've got a warehouse full of these monitors

Starting point is 01:40:45 that are now not moving, or worse yet, moving at a loss because our stupid competitor has a better price than us. Like, that's the dynamic at play, right? Yeah. Okay, I think we've got one more. Might have two more. Don't remember how many we've done.

Starting point is 01:41:03 Next up, how was your thanksgiving uh we're canadians so that was a while ago um quite a while ago but it was pretty good um yeah thanks good turkey quick question do you think season-based say fortnite warzone things like that will outperform traditional games like say titanfall 2 or minecraft that are less less online i think what he means is uh games that have significant changes in cycles games as a service type thing versus a game that is sold to you as more or less a single package that you can expect to stay the same and not change um i mean i think the market's kind of spoken i think especially the games that are popular with the younger generation they're season-based there there's a there's a lot of games as a service

Starting point is 01:41:54 going around right now and as much as we may or may not like it personally i don't think there's really anything that luke or i can do to change any of that the good news is that more traditional style game monetization strategies are still here they're not going away baldur's gate 3 i was just gonna yeah they always get a shout out beat him i was just gonna say like some of the really banger games lately don't have that elden ring baldur's gate 3 really just killed it lots of people still playing those games really really good sales throughout people think very highly of the game and they have very consumer-friendly monetization models but i also feel like that's kind of like saying yeah like the traditional unique ip in the cinema is not dead look at oppenheimer

Starting point is 01:42:42 but it's like, okay, yeah. But what about all? There are a lot of other examples. The other movies that have struggled. Wasn't there a topic like not even that long, maybe last week or the week before where it was like, uh, some, uh,

Starting point is 01:42:57 mount or something that they sold on the store for wow, made more money than all of Starcraft wings of Liberty, which is the original release of the game. Oh, no. I think that's a thing. Mount for WoW makes more money than C2. Former Blizzard developer Jason Hall has claimed that a single microtransaction mount in World of Warcraft

Starting point is 01:43:20 made more money than the full Starcraft 2 game, highlighting the profitability of microtransactions and gaming yeah so the problem with all this stuff is that um people keep buying it and the whole vote with your wallet thing works both ways um it works in the way that most people use it by you know don't buy the thing that you think is bad, but it also works when you use your wallet. It works when you spend money, right? And positive reinforcement is a lot stronger than negative reinforcement.

Starting point is 01:43:53 If you give them money for something once, even if you, they, even if you don't give them any money the second time they do it or the third time they do it or the fourth time they do it, they're going to keep doing it because they're going to know that on the fifth and sixth maybe we just got to tweak these colors here or play around with balance there eventually there's you will give them money again there's games where they will make microtransaction items for individuals

Starting point is 01:44:20 they don't even tell them about it but they'll know there will be like some whale that like really likes i don't know color purple sure yeah really likes purple uh plate swords sure sure whatever something so they'll make like a a pack for like effectively that person like there there are companies that actually do that and to be clear guys this is not conspiracy theory stuff this is stuff luke actually knows yes and we are not talking about a twenty dollar piece of armor for that person we were talking like a five hundred dollar yeah they'll put it on the store and everyone can buy it but they know that one person will buy it or that four people yes you know those four are definitely going to buy it so that justifies the art time

Starting point is 01:45:05 that goes into developing this thing because because some of these companies will have that's just called that's just harpooning yeah it's a totally that's a thing um but they'll have analytics on their whales so they know what colors they like what themes they like all this different type of stuff what holidays they like probably that one i don't know but that makes sense i wouldn't be surprised yeah so i don't know so it's terrible and it's your fault yeah kind of it is actually gamers fault yeah it might not be your fault individually no but it is gamers fault collectively i'm speaking to gamers collectively we are the ones gamers are the ones that made fifa ultimate team so incredibly profitable and you can't undo that now they're gonna they're gonna keep chasing that are the

Starting point is 01:45:53 ones that sure screamed a lot when horse armor first came out but then were complained that there wasn't enough things on the store in halo infinite that blew my mind when like the top posts on the subreddit for halo infinite for a while we're like why isn't there more things that i can buy like i still stubbornly just wear the stock armor good hell yeah they changed the color on me though it's not gray anymore it's like blue or something oh but i just wear whatever the default is that is what i will always wear in halo infinite i've earned cosmetics oh yeah and i will not touch them i will not use them i'm no no no on principle i will not stand there in my like flame helmet or whatever during that obnoxious opening cinematic thing where you have to look at everyone's cosmetics before the match starts my favorite one is when you just for some reason spawn like way out of the line

Starting point is 01:46:49 so it like it scrolls through everybody and you're just like not there and then it has to like whip the camera way over so it can get you into i've actually never seen that really oh that happened a lot around launch um oh ouch that might have been part of it but infinite just didn't have any content at launch yeah i agree there there was specifically posts specifically complaining about that there wasn't enough stuff to buy um there was definitely also a lot of posts about how there wasn't very much content there wasn't forge there wasn't all of these many other things um but i was i was just stunned that like of all the things you're here to complain about you're complaining that you can't spend more money on cosmetics

Starting point is 01:47:29 um something that i'm finding that's i don't know if this is just a personal thing or not but i'm finding in a lot of games where you know maybe it's like a whatever you call it seasons past type of game yeah where you you get part of it as a free player but then there's like oh the really juicy stuff is locked so infinite's like this like you said you've unlocked cosmetics you just don't put them on i'm finding that the the default cosmetics are starting to actually like to me at least look pretty cool because you just never see them because people are always going to put on at least the ones that they got for free so like the rarest cosmetics are the non ones like these are the default ones especially once you're like leveled up so you're matchmaking against people that have been playing for a while

Starting point is 01:48:13 and stuff hilarious i was playing counter-strike the other day and i saw someone with the default skin usp like the counter-terrorist starting pistol yeah and i was like wow that looks pretty cool i wonder like what that is and then it ended up being the default skin one i was like oh wow i haven't seen that in so long it like actually looks pretty good that's hilarious it's like i'm too chad to have any kind of like trash on my gun yeah yeah all right yeah i don't know i think it looks great uh what oh responding to i'm responding to some messages yeah i've been trying to usually when

Starting point is 01:49:00 you're talking i don't know do we want to bring back speed merch messages do you guys remember like speed running them i do um we'll see once we get to the end of the show where we're at it takes so long when i press post i just i can't even i can't even process this again we can fix it it's just it's not really worth it blank t-shirts are the top seller again well it's a crazy deal and blank t-shirts are very like you're you're 30 now and you gave up on fashion kind of thing i mean me giving up on fashion was wearing our merch not to typecast our like oh we match again today i didn't even realize we have the we have the same t-shirt on oh nice we pulled this again love it i don't know how this happens i don't even have that one oh man yeah i mean look we we recognize that our clothes are supposed to just be easy a bunch of people in chat are like

Starting point is 01:49:57 yeah i mean my entire fashion sense is i have one brand of shorts one pair of blue jeans and then ltt shirts so like yeah whatever and when we release these pants i'm pretty sure you're gonna switch over to them yeah yep these are great oh your fly's down yeah i was literally eyeing them up before i knew they were i didn't like think they were ours and i was like first of all they look really cool second of all i'm surprised he's not wearing costco jeans yeah um prototypes yeah they look great yeah the tech pants and the cargo pants are gonna be really good yeah all right oh it looks like tynan might already have some of the cargos. Yeah, he does.

Starting point is 01:50:46 He's got, we have quite a few samples of it because we've. Iterated a bunch. We're perfectionists. And so we've, yeah, like, anyway. Yeah, the point is we're putting the work in and they're going to be really good. All right, are we supposed to do a couple more merch? Oh, no, we're supposed to do some more topics.

Starting point is 01:51:11 Hey, let's do some topics. Yeah. yeah cool do you want to pick one sure uh let's see here hmm let's get the sam altman stuff out of the way uh open ai has reached an agreement with sam altman to for him to return as ceo following a near mutiny where 95% of OpenAI employees signed a letter threatening to resign if he did not return. Resign and join Microsoft, to be clear. Yeah. One notable signer was co-founder and chief scientist Ilya, I can never say his last name, Sutskever, who was part of the board that originally fired altman two members of the board including ilia will be stepping down which is an interesting thing the board will likely grow up to nine members and include representatives from important stakeholders such as microsoft who doesn't want to be surprised by this kind of shenanigans again, in all likelihood. I was saying with how much of OpenAI that Microsoft owns, it was wild to me when this

Starting point is 01:52:11 whole thing went down that Satya Nadella was just blindsided by this and that they didn't have a seat on the board already. Absolutely nuts. Yeah. Emmett Shear, who was interim CEO for three days after CTO Meera sheer who was interim ceo for three days after ce uh cto mira maradi was interim ceo for two days said he was pleased to have negotiated this outcome our discussion question is who was the biggest winner in the shake-up and why was it microsoft oh yeah it was unquestionably microsoft there was there was two paths here either the entire open ai team was going to quit and join microsoft would have

Starting point is 01:52:46 been great as the advanced research advanced ai research whatever that team was called for the two days that it existed or microsoft was going to get a board seat and get their boy back in action as ceo so they won either way it the situation got significantly better for microsoft no matter what path um was chosen i yeah i don't know i the whole ilia thing is very interesting to me um because as far as my understanding goes which there was a lot of rumors around this and the news was moving really fast so i might be wrong about this but as far as my understanding goes ilia said that he would not remain part of the board if they didn't find a way to hire sam altman again as ceo but then sam altman's demands involved a significant change to the board that didn't involve ilia so ilia was basically like deuces because either you fire me or i quit

Starting point is 01:53:48 those were like the proposed solutions which i just found very interesting genius um and now he's not on the board so i for one love it um yeah how long do you think it's going to take before this is a movie oh yeah it's gotta be someone's working on it already yeah yeah it like has to be um i really thought it was going to end up with the whole opening i team being a part of microsoft apparently uh apparently gamestop amc that whole thing is like more than one movie already really like yeah one of them has a trailer out already or something like that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i i was okay this is all hearsay uh game stop stonks movie here we go hold on dumb money official trailer yeah from five months ago that's a great name

Starting point is 01:54:38 that is a pretty great name he's still their lead scientist cool yeah i just maybe you should focus on that. Wow. This is from like Sony pictures. This isn't even just like some random indie movie. That's hilarious. Wait, eat the rich,

Starting point is 01:54:55 the GameStop saga. This is on Netflix as well. Oh man. Okay. Wow. It's a whole thing. Okay, cool.

Starting point is 01:55:01 Anywho, um, I had one that I actually wanted to bring up next do it where is it where is it where is it plex emails joe maba i was gonna do that yeah on november 1st media hosting service plex launched discover together in an attempt to pivot to become more like a social network plex also altered its week in review feature so that it also sends users a summary of their friends weekly activity including media that they uploaded to their server what the I says, pardon?

Starting point is 01:55:46 The feature is opt out. Oh yeah. And many users were unaware of the change until it emailed them their friend's viewing history. Holy crap. Are you kidding me? Meanwhile, their mobile app still doesn't auto play the next video for me on android the way that the the extent to which plex has managed to deviate from their original north star

Starting point is 01:56:19 is truly shocking at this point. So, A, this is a public admission of their user data collection practices that, from my understanding, they had previously said were no big deal, don't worry about it. I mean, you upload all your pirated content here because we would never you know share any of this with anybody or log it or anything like that don't worry about it and number two

Starting point is 01:56:51 is like holy if i want to tell someone that i'm watching some cringe you know movie from the 90s that's like you know only redeeming features that it has about half a second of angelina jolie the second he said cringe movie for the 90s i was like i don't know where this is going uh to be to be clear i actually don't consider that to be a redeeming feature in a movie um yeah i was i was just trying to make fun of his favorite movie i it's not my favorite i've watched half of it. Now we can talk about it after, but the point is,

Starting point is 01:57:28 how do you, how do you watch half of anything? I have kids. When you have kids, we'll talk about how you can be interrupted in the middle of a movie. Yeah. Emma does this. We'll be watching a show.

Starting point is 01:57:39 Yeah. And she'll just get up in the middle of an episode. It'd be like, I'm going to bed. I'm like, how do you you're gonna fit it's like 10 minutes until the end she's like no i'm tired i'm going to bed it's like i want control like that over my life yeah i didn't know it i am so jealous to watch the end of it it drives me insane you're eating a meal and you're just like i'm full now okay i'm done with this project it is time for

Starting point is 01:58:05 sleep um it's wild yeah anywho uh this is not cool i i am seriously considering you know going jumping through the hoops to figure out jelly fin or something like that at this point like i just no i can't i don't plex already works mostly i don't i'm at a point in my life where i don't, Plex already works mostly. I don't, I'm at a point in my life where I don't want to learn a new content management library organization software. I don't feel like it. I already know how to use Filebot. I already know how to use Plex.

Starting point is 01:58:38 I already know how to use all these. I already know how to use MakeMKV. Like I just, I know how to use these tools. And this is not the kind of thing that if i'm not making content about it matters to me to spend a bunch of time on and i'm not making content on it because there are literally dozens of us and it's just not a mainstream enough topic for us to tackle on our channel these days so no i don't want to do this i just want plex to not be shit

Starting point is 01:59:06 that's all i want i'm looking at i'm looking at the ceo's linkedin which is not something i've like ever done before for like i've never had a company do something and be like i genuinely don't at all understand the motivation so i've i've checked out their linkedin and i i don't know comes from you know let's just bracket computing well it's something that was sold to vmware so i don't know okay i don't know why it has this logo because i think maybe it was sold to cisco oh no acquired by vmware okay uh okay strategy and business development security well uh oops and then president ceo of plex for for almost 11 years so the motivation is clearly not coming from him

Starting point is 02:00:06 because he was there when Plex was cool. Yeah. The motivation is coming from whoever is giving them VC money and wants to see their user base grow and thinks that alienating their users is a good way to grow the user base, I guess. I can't think of a single person that I know.

Starting point is 02:00:21 If they made it opt-in, sure. But the fact that it's opt out is insane yeah like honestly look i'm not gonna lie i actually insane i have ambitions for the badminton center that are similarly creepy right right here right here i i i am i am admitting it right now. In my perfect world, you would be able to basically social network the crap out of it. And if you're like the guy who beat you three times in the last whatever,

Starting point is 02:00:55 booked a session, it'd be like, hey, your friend, of course, you would have to actually authorize people to see this stuff. Yeah, so it'd have to be opt-in, which completely solves the problem. The point is your, your buddy is,

Starting point is 02:01:10 has booked a session. Do you want to, do you want to suit up and, and go at it again? You want to try to sound cool, capture that Pokemon or whatever. Yeah. Like I want to gamify stuff.

Starting point is 02:01:19 Um, and for that, we're going to need to, to get creepy. I wouldn't even, I don't want any of this data to leave the premises. Do you want to join? Jesus fucking Christ.

Starting point is 02:01:30 Are you okay, Dan? There's a mouse on my desk. There's a mouse on your desk? This is hilarious. We're going to the producer cam. Dan saw a mouse. Hold on. Yeah, I need the mouse.

Starting point is 02:01:42 Yeah, I need the mouse for Cat TV. Okay, hold on a second. We have a thing here. Just tv okay hold on a second we have might we have a thing here just a second just a second people uh i uh one moment please okay uh sure i i think linus should call it something like competitive q or something like that just to like make it sound kind of cool maybe a better name than that i'm used to names for engineers uh but i think he should make whatever that feature is uh sound cool so that people want to subscribe to it i have not personally seen the mouse so it darted towards me i'm gonna crawl up my leg

Starting point is 02:02:26 i i would do a topic but i honestly think this is probably more interesting than tech news no no no that's fine. This is for Linus' cat. I love that there was like a very short portion of time of fear and almost immediately into, I must catch this for your cats. That transition was very fast. I caught one last night. It was in the garbage can. I managed to grab it. We showed it off on screen.

Starting point is 02:03:03 We caught it in a bucket. We had the, there was like a t-shirt on top of this Wow. You caught one here last night? Oh, we like got mice. It was the bread? It was the bread. The bread that had been sitting here that's what attracted them because normally we don't have any food just kicking around in the office yeah um anyway so i i had three mice that i caught in my garage when they got into my grass seed and they were great cat tv the cats freaking loved it um so much that i bought like. I think we talked about it on WAN show.

Starting point is 02:03:45 I bought that crazy topper for it. Unfortunately, before the topper arrived, after I ordered it, but before it arrived, the mice chewed through the old lid on the cage and the cats have now eaten their TV. So I need new TV for the cats. And then Dan found new TV, but then didn't. And then just released it outside. You know, I bet it's the same damn one that just got in the same hole because unless you take it like 15 kilometers away or something it'll like find its way back anyway

Starting point is 02:04:10 hold on I'm still there so I'm just gonna get in here and start lifting things up here okay cool I feel like we need to like action cam with one of these cameras. This is not doing it justice. Can I action cam with the webcam maybe? Probably not. Probably not? Why not? Is it killing? Hold on stream, give me a second.

Starting point is 02:04:36 This is more important. It is. Maybe it went back into the hole. You know what Dan, it might have managed to squeeze outside. You mean uh-oh. What? No, no, you guys are good. Don't say uh-oh.

Starting point is 02:04:53 I just touched this camera at all and it immediately disconnected. Oh, you broke it. How? Nice. I don't know. So it could live behind the set here because there's like space to get into the wall here. All right. I think it's gotten away from where it was at any rate.

Starting point is 02:05:13 So maybe we should continue the show at this point. Okay. Hilarious. Amazing. I think we have some live traps over on the other side anyway if we just put one of them out here with like peanut butter in it or put like a granola bar in it or something it'll probably get caught and they'll stay alive in there for a couple days so maybe we could just pick it up on monday okay what an adventure i'm not sure where they are. I saw some, I know we had some mice over in the lab,

Starting point is 02:05:48 so I know there's definitely something there. And I mean, it's okay. You can just, I would just do merch messages for now. Anyway, he's leaving. I'm not, he's not there. Anyway, what were we talking about? You know how they call it the Dll show yeah yeah yeah now it's the dllm show and oh okay because llms yeah but also mice yeah i get it it's very funny wow wow

Starting point is 02:06:16 it's got layers to it it's like it's an ogre it's one ogre of a reference joke. Anyway, Plex emailing your mom is dumb and they shouldn't have done that. If it was opt-in, maybe you could make a little like movie club that's automated. That's super cool. And you can see like opt-in would be cool. This feature, if opt-in, would be cool. Yeah, like I would never opt-in to get Luke's movies recommended to me because they're shit. You haven't watched both of them. You've only watched half of one of them. Like, I would never opt in to get Luke's movies recommended to me because they're shit. So. You haven't watched both of them.

Starting point is 02:06:49 You've only watched half of one of them. I've watched half of Hackers and it is atrocious. I didn't expect you'd necessarily like it. I just think you should see it. Also, the only one I actually asked you to watch was the other one. Yeah, well. You volunteered to watch this one. What? No. Yeah. I thought this was part of the deal. No, you volunteered to watch this one what no yeah i

Starting point is 02:07:05 thought this was part of the deal no you made the deal oh then i included it then i don't have to complete no i agreed to it it's part of the deal what you can't say it's not part of the deal and then say it is part of the deal no it's part of the deal i just didn't ask for it oh okay what do you mean i see how this is going to be wow people are people are so hurt about the hackers and guys i'm not surprised he doesn't like hackers oh come on it's you haven't watched the whole thing so you're not gonna like it but you still have i'm just saying it should maybe hold comment until you've seen the whole thing he's still gonna hate it oh man i don't even i it is the embodiment of cringe.

Starting point is 02:07:45 It's repetitive. You haven't even seen Hack the Planet yet. The writing is terrible. The thing that people are hashtagging, you haven't even seen yet. The one part of it that I would say has been somewhat redeeming so far is the, the, the,

Starting point is 02:07:57 the hackathon hack competition where they're messing with the like investigator or whatever. But even that. that oh is that more than halfway through i think you're like right near the end no no it's like a halfway point oh wow but even even that is it's like my suspension of disbelief you can't no it's like no you actually can't do that that's not how that that works. It's not even, it's not even okay. But, you know, just for the sake of advancing this plot point, we need you to kind of pretend this is plausible. No, it's the entire premise of the movie.

Starting point is 02:08:37 You notice how for years I asked you to watch. Pentium 6? The fuck are you even talking about? You notice how for years I asked you to watch one particular movie and i never asked you to watch this one i think there might be a reason no you've definitely you've definitely told me i should watch this one before i'm sure of it that's that's why i got as much as the other one yeah no you've asked me to watch pirates of silicon valley yes a thousand times yes but you've still probably asked me to watch hackers like 500 times probably because i i don't know about that yeah probably because i think it'd be funny though and because

Starting point is 02:09:08 i know that you you don't you're not necessarily a huge fan of one of the main i can't stand angelina jolie and she's such a huge character i can't stand her in anything she's one of those actresses where you know what honestly i can get behind a lot of like the the causes she's supported or whatever like that that all seems fine i'm not saying she's like as a person no problem as a person i have no problem with her i don't know i don't know her or whatever maybe she's great i i have actually no idea i haven't seen anything to indicate that you know she's doesn't do a good job of the things she's supposed to do like be stylish and you know do things that people like or whatever um but as an as an actor i can't

Starting point is 02:09:55 stand her uh i just i can't i can't even a little bit and, and this before she learned to act, yeah, not making it better. Sorry. Like this is, this is one of those things. I remember reading this article that kind of put into words how I've always felt about it.

Starting point is 02:10:19 And it was like, what good movie has she ever been in? Oh, what do you, what do you mean what's that what's that what's that movie where they curve bullets that's that's worse than hackers that's you're not helping this case that obscure video game tomb raider oh this is like a sandwich*** sandwich after s*** sandwich.

Starting point is 02:10:47 Dude, wanted the movie. It's rated 6.7 on IMDb. Wow. 71% on Rotten Tomatoes. Curving bullets, dude. Yeah. Just whip your pistol like this. I've heard Mr. and Mrs. Smith is not bad.

Starting point is 02:11:03 Maleficent was tolerable. Barely. Barely. I'm sure the sequel was awful. So many of these are like relatively close in shots of her face, slightly blurred. Like a weird percentage of them.

Starting point is 02:11:19 I don't know, man. Like she's one of those, she's one of those actors that has been in so many movies and yet, man, this was awful. I haven't heard of it. It was. Obviously I've heard of Beowulf, but not that movie.

Starting point is 02:11:35 Terrible. So bad. It's like, what here would you watch if you were looking to be entertained by a film? Hackers. Hackers. Hackers. Hackers is phenomenal. Oh, man.

Starting point is 02:11:52 I just can't stand it. I love Hackers, but I am incredibly not surprised by Linus's distaste for it because he's going to want it to be have a coherent story sure that's fair enough yeah he's gonna want that he's gonna like the number of times he's not gonna enjoy like pool on the roof as much as other people are dude the number of times he's not gonna enjoy garbage file and like give the rabbit a flu shot and stuff like that the number of times they make the joke of these guys living with their moms and agents busting their door down and like a billion shots

Starting point is 02:12:32 of the same thing like yeah we we we get it the agents go after them or whatever because they're like what are these clubs what are these like parties they're going to the rollerblade club where they play what the fuck is going on oh i hit the wrong oh i completely hit the wrong thing don't worry about it the the rollerblade club that they go to or whatever yeah and they play that weird and they play this weird like like like sim like flying game or something i just and being good at it makes you a hacker or something it's like yeah of course i can't tell i am halfway through this movie i legitimately can't tell if the writers knew absolutely nothing about hacking or knew everything about hacking and were taking the piss because it is it is it is zero percent or it is 100 it is nowhere in between you cannot be that wrong unless you know

Starting point is 02:13:35 nothing or you were intentionally wrong they knew at least something they knew at least i don't know that they did because there's there's enough references that are like that's a little niche that's like weird that they would know that but then the rest of it is so deep no they might have had a little brother maybe something like that honestly yeah so somebody at some time said something that was somewhat correct like there's even scenes like when he pulls out the hacker's manifesto yeah no the freaking stuff was not real enough the one where he just like presses the hang up button a bunch of times that's not how it worked didn't he do that to get to an operator no i know he did that so like a lot of times he did that to pay the collect call charge or whatever like it was or the long distance charge or something like no yet freaking yes but also freaking was not hacking yeah it was just making specific tone noises into the phone there was a lot of crossover and interest at that time sure a ton

Starting point is 02:14:40 but a ton but yeah he did it to get to an operator yeah people are saying in chat yeah yeah but he doesn't get to an operator in the movie like he like does yeah but he he somehow bypasses a like a paywall i don't know okay well may okay whatever i haven't seen it maybe that detail slightly wrong my point is it's really bad they're at a more realistic party which is just like a party in somebody's house and they see her laptop

Starting point is 02:15:14 and they're like geeking out over the laptop oh my gosh that's gonna break his mind that's gonna shatter his mind wait you have seen it? it's terrible of course it's terrible but it's terrible in the best way oh man oh so good yeah yep yep yep

Starting point is 02:15:40 yeah he like can't enjoy stuff like that so i'm not surprised he doesn't like it but i still think you should see it it's like haha computer nerds think computers are sexier than girls it's like yeah i just i just mean it's it's this isn't even one of those things where I, okay. Like, I feel like, especially in the early seasons, some of the criticism of Big Bang Theory from, from geeks, you know, comic book nerds and all that is kind of, um, it's some of it was merited. And then some of it was just like an inability to handle someone poking fun at us. handle someone poking fun at us um like there were times when you know i definitely felt shots fired but i was okay laughing at it because it was at least the comedic timing was good or whatever um whereas big bang theory yeah some of the earlier seasons are not bad actually okay yeah it gets really bad later i haven't seen any of the early stuff i've just seen like clips here there and i'm like this is horrendous yeah you know the whole like take the laugh track out of

Starting point is 02:16:44 friends and it's like not funny anymore thing. It's like, it feels like a very intense version of that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's pretty bad. Anyway, my point is like in hackers, I didn't feel like any of them were particularly funny shots or. I find them to be hilarious.

Starting point is 02:17:06 I think it's really funny. You know what what maybe part of it is that you watched it when that would have been a little more edgy or something like i'm watching it now and you know everything's everything's mainstream yeah i saw this when i was like 13 or something and it's still good six months ago like it holds up what about the uh the antagonist with the skateboard and he's like the coolest i is here you don't find that funny you don't find the vr scene where he's like freaking out or what about the the video game that they play in the cool hacking underground club den yeah we already talked about that oh yeah geez No one ever beats her. Have you seen the VR scene? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:17:48 The evil dudes in VR or whatever? Yeah. Yeah. I find that very funny. I thought it was hilarious. Okay. I mean, maybe this is one of those movies where if I was watching it with you instead of while folding laundry.

Starting point is 02:18:01 Probably. Probably. The vibes would be different, but I. You can't take it seriously. instead of while folding laundry, probably the vibes would be different, but I, um, you, you can't take it seriously. You can't expect anything out of it. That's like real at all. No,

Starting point is 02:18:12 it's not that I expect it to be real. Luke, you asked for the hacking depictions to be more realistic. That's like one of the first things that you said, not more realistic. I mean, the suspension of disbelief is very, is very difficult at that point like if

Starting point is 02:18:25 if if like if the whole premise of a movie was that you know you embedded uh uh uh uh okay you embedded a brain parasite in in the in the sounds that came out of people's cell phones or something it's like no that's not biology that's like that's just not it's just it's just kind of stupid like it's not i know the reference and i agree yeah um no i wasn't actually made what that's a thing wasn't that close to that thing that we did oh no no no what was the i don't remember exactly how that worked. Well, we can't talk about that thing. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. No, it wasn't that though.

Starting point is 02:19:08 I just mean if it doesn't make any sense at all, even to like grade seven science, you know, educated person, then it just feels like. What about people's heads in Kingsman turning into balloons? Feels low effort. When did they turn into balloons? Wasn't that in like the third one though? The third one was pretty stupid.

Starting point is 02:19:28 The first one was the best one. The first one was good. I still enjoyed the second one. The third one was pretty bad. Yeah, I found their, like everyone in the movie taking it seriously, but how obviously ridiculous everything was to be kind of fun.

Starting point is 02:19:44 I also, when I first discovered it, was fairly frustrated about the depictions it seriously but how obviously ridiculous everything was to be kind of fun i also when i first discovered it was fairly frustrated about the depictions of hacking in a lot of different movies mess with the best i like the rest see i find stuff like this very funny i like watching that scene where they're like grabbing the videotapes from each other and stuff hilarious yeah it's cute it's it's it's, I don't know. It's. I think you're probably right. If I was there, you probably would have enjoyed it more.

Starting point is 02:20:08 Sure. Um, yeah. Oh man. Um, the first Kingsman, their head explodes with confetti effects. Um, yeah, no, I, I, I enjoyed it. Yep. I enjoyed it. Uh, Kings, the kings the first king's king's man is great i i i thought i felt was camp in a way that was

Starting point is 02:20:35 self-aware okay i guess maybe that's part of the problem for me is i can't quite tell how self-aware hackers is like they're very self-aware personally the tape the tape thing um the tape thing yeah the the tape grabbing thing like the tape feeding machine scene i i i i thought that was cute it went on for too long yes went on for way too long it's an hour and a half runtime it's and and they it's like so full of padding yeah you mentioned the police break-in scenes those get like really old and super repetitive yeah yeah like yeah what did you do we we we get it they live with their moms and there's one of them that just goes on maybe it was more than one but there's one that i remember that just goes on for way too long like it's just a bunch of different clips of maybe that's my main

Starting point is 02:21:31 issue is i'm halfway through this movie and so far here's a broad summary of what happens this kid gets convicted of hacking and banned from using computers but see this happens in like the opening credits essentially so all he grows up he now lives with his mom um moved to the big city he goes he moves to the city and he meets a girl and some like hacker buddies who befriend him because he seems to be pretty cool because he can like move himself to different because he seems to be elite. Thank you. Because he can move classes and he can turn on the sprinklers at will, which is a pretty elite hacker move. And then this girl love interest is not into him, but then there's some animosity between them

Starting point is 02:22:20 and then it turns out they're both hackers and they had a hacker battle at some point and then one of the hackers has a floppy diskette of a garbage file that they downloaded from a gibson or something but they only got half of it but then there's a conspiracy where the garbage file uh is like some kind of you know virus that can do something the person who wrote it disguised it as a garbage file but it was actually this crazy virus that was do something the person who wrote it disguised it as a garbage file but it was actually this crazy virus that was going to take down tankers in the oceans oil tankers in the ocean yeah because that's a thing you'd want to do for some reason well it was a ransom

Starting point is 02:22:55 so it is kind of that part like if you could do it that makes sense as a thing to ransom. Sure, I guess. And so now they have to help their friend who's been accused of making that virus, but actually he just downloaded part of it or something and he's being framed by the guy who actually wrote it, but he works for the government and then they got to help him by like messing with the investigator. And then they got to help him by like messing with the investigator.

Starting point is 02:23:29 And then like every other scene, Angelina Jolie is like making out with someone. So the problem with what you just did is you just made it much more coherent than it is. Cause you made a lot of sense. Actually made way too much sense compared to actually just watching the movie. I forgot. That's what the movie was about. Yeah. Like like that was i'm just here for the awkward you couldn't help yourself make it make sense that's a really coherent plot line i don't know why you don't like this movie you don't get

Starting point is 02:23:57 that from watching the movie all of them are at least 25 and not in high school okay that's a pretty common thing i know but it's so blatant it's pretty bad in this movie it is pretty bad in this movie it's not it's not about that it's it's interesting hearing how you like consume media it's not about you know the hot high school chick who is actually 25 boy does it ever spend a lot of time on it i genuinely never cared about that part i um sure i i did you not enjoy the like descent scene multiple ones remember what that is they have like the you're like a spaceship flying through a city but the city is like the database within a computer yeah that's cute hilarious um also like it's not the

Starting point is 02:24:38 database it starts you start out going through the city and then it becomes components on a motherboard oh right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a cute visual thing it goes on for way start out going through the city and then it becomes components on a motherboard. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a cute visual thing. It goes on for way too long. It was like, Oh,

Starting point is 02:24:49 that's cute. Okay. I'm going to look at it for a long time. Now a lot of things in the show go on for too long. It should be, it should be like a one hour movie and then it would be a tight one hour movie and maybe like funny, but it just,

Starting point is 02:25:02 it drags out. It overstays. It's welcome. Have you gotten to the like late night in the city steam coming out of the manhole covers when the guy gets away with the motorbike yes wait gets away with the motorbike yeah he like he like grabs the disc he's on a skateboard or something is it a skateboard i don't know something like the back of a limo or something i don't know it's such a it's such a terrible terrible movie so you don't like like so bad it's good uh type stuff i i think i do but not that one

Starting point is 02:25:41 oh that's uh that's like okay what's some other so bad it's good okay my favorite film i think the cable guy is a piece of shit inexcusable it's so bad what is the cable guy that's one of those movies that people will defend as being a so bad it's good i was literally the the one year after that movie came out old i don't know this movie 1996 okay I was I was 10 or 11 when that came out I did not find that funny isn't that a comedy allegedly no no no no comedies can't be so bad it's good that's uh that's like it has to be sincere okay it has to be so bad it's good it has to be earnestly trying the cable guy is a comedy thriller yeah so it's just a bad movie so one of my favorite examples is in time with uh justin timberlake as the lead role i don't know that omnipious has

Starting point is 02:26:39 boondock saints that's not a bad movie is that a bad movie i love boondock saints imdb hold on a second 7.7 no that's not that's not a bad movie like what's hackers yeah like starship troopers is funny i haven't watched it since it came out but i definitely enjoyed it when it came out is art if you're saying that i love starship troopers then you don't like that's satire that is literally a comedy i'm just going based on no that's somebody it's probably twitch chat you know okay floatplane chat okay starship troopers is satire that is a that is a comedy yeah like that like galaxy quest also hilarious that's not yeah yeah that's that's intentionally camp it's a comedy it's yeah Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers are amazing.

Starting point is 02:27:26 W. Calderini says Roadhouse. That's something I've heard is like so bad it's supposed to be a good action movie, but I haven't seen it. Yes, Boondock Saints is bad. How is Boondock Saints bad? It's got Willem Dafoe in it. It can't be bad by definition.

Starting point is 02:27:45 Some people like the room. I've actually, I, I've not been able to make myself watch the room. I watched, I've seen like bits and pieces. I don't need to watch the whole thing. The like movie that was made like about disaster artist.

Starting point is 02:27:58 Yeah. So I, I think I've told this story before, but I, I watched disaster artist without knowing it was based on a true story oh i start i tuned into it over someone's shoulder on an airplane yeah so i missed the beginning and i was like oh that looks pretty compelling and i flipped it on at the point that they were at and i was like oh it's like it's a movie about people making an awful movie that doesn't make

Starting point is 02:28:22 any sense they want film and digital cameras pointed at every scene so they'll just shoot on both and no one knows where this guy's money came from and he's so weird this is crazy and it wasn't until the end credits rolled and they did that thing where they show the recreations and the original movie side by side that i went holy sh** was a real movie that's actually a really interesting way to watch it was an amazing way to experience that's quite the reveal yeah i don't think i don't think most people would have that that's really rare yeah no that's amazing it's you know it's funny because these are the kinds of experiences that are most magical for me in movies but are almost impossible to recreate

Starting point is 02:29:00 another one of my favorites was um i forget which of the bazillion and one marvel movies it was in uh but the one where uh thor ends up in a coliseum fight and his his opponent is the hulk okay i stopped watching marvel movies a long time ago this was a long time ago okay yeah this was like eight years ago or something like that i don't remember when this one came out it doesn't matter. The point is... Is that the friend from work scene? I think I've seen that.

Starting point is 02:29:29 Not the movie, but I think I've seen the scene. Anyway, it does... Ragnarok. Yeah, it's from Thor Ragnarok, which was definitely awesome. Anyway, the Hulk is like front and center on the movie poster. But I'd never seen it. I never saw a movie poster, saw a trailer and so this lead up to like who is it who is it who is it who is it who is it in the movie makes no sense if you even

Starting point is 02:29:52 glanced at the movie poster because you'll know who it is but i got to experience it completely raw and i was like hey it's the hulk so it was yeah it was great cool not hulk hogan okay i'm still i'm still trying to maybe i just don't watch bad movies because none of these are yeah none of these are monty python okay yeah i'd say monty python is kind of a so bad it's good but that's also comedy yeah so dan you're saying anything that's comedy is not no no so like uh the the crossover you can't it's luke unplugged it oh uh yeah you just get you just get my voice he is in the chair anyway um and it broke before i unplugged it yeah sure sure sure uh no there's a very very fine line between what is so bad it's good and not all of them are as of the same level of quality i loved mortal kombat there so that might be a good example the original

Starting point is 02:30:53 that movie is f***ing awful yes but you like watching it kind of surprised you can like mortal kombat and not hackers no no because like the interpretation of what is so bad is very different yeah Mortal Kombat's action I enjoyed it as well it's like campy bad action whereas hackers is campy bad all happens and it doesn't make any sense like if in Mortal Kombat one of the one of the challenges was resolved through a game of like f***ing tiddlywinks or something then that also wouldn't make any sense and it would take me out of it but at least it has it has a clear intent

Starting point is 02:31:29 this is the tournament of saving the earth and Johnny Cage has to beat the like the weird like thing with obviously fake arms on it like it's it's that 70s Batman just sort of unironically terrible and yet it's you can't

Starting point is 02:31:47 look away like yeah no i there you go but they were trying they were trying to make a good movie and they didn't yeah i can't fake you can't fake so bad it's good like uh like hackers tried uh the rest of them tried that's the thing i can tell. I think they tried to make a good movie. I don't know if they did. I don't think they tried to make the hacking. Yes. They tried to be cool. They wanted to make hacking look cool.

Starting point is 02:32:12 Yes. I don't believe you. No, no, no, no, no. They failed at it. But a lot of that was like style of the time. People know what hacking is. Do not talk to me about 1995 you never had style i was there when it was written yeah but you weren't in the cool club what do you mean

Starting point is 02:32:31 i wasn't in the cool club you were never like six yeah and you weren't in the cool club both of these things can be true and actually i was probably four oh man okay napoleon dynamite f**king sucks i'm sorry i did not enjoy it at all that was way overhyped that was a very exhausting time to live in because like people at school would have the vote for pedro shirts oh it was kind of people were so into it eat your food tina maybe part of the problem was i watched it in like a feverish like fugue state because i was like i was very sick like i was bedridden and even in that state i couldn't bear to sit through it it was so bad i didn't i didn't mind it but it was it was exhausting like people were too into it it was it was kind of insane it was one of those things that were

Starting point is 02:33:31 like at that time if you weren't into it you were like looked down upon and it was weird so like people would be into it just to be cool if that makes sense oh yeah it was kind of the hit thing at the moment right oh yeah it was very okay now it was it was a lot it was too much i've got one that'll get me canceled my neighbor totoro what sorry you're calling that a bad movie yeah i mean yeah nothing happens in it exactly i think for me I actually only watched that fairly recently, like a couple of years ago. I watched it with my kids. It was great.

Starting point is 02:34:11 It's not as good as, what's the one where they, they end up in like the hotel for like monsters or whatever. I forget what that one's called. Spirited Away. Definitely not as good as Spirited Away, but like my kids just- That's so mad. I you i told you i told you they would cancel me i just it's spirited away is absolutely incredible it's just raw childish

Starting point is 02:34:32 wonder i don't know i yeah totoro's more like it's like a poem as a movie it's it's wonderful it's visual i can't say it's wonderful now yeah Yeah, but it's a bad movie. Electro Bot says Mars Attacks. Mars Attacks. What? Mars Attacks is great. Yeah. But it's also not trying to be. It's trying, it is exactly,

Starting point is 02:34:53 anytime Tom Jones shows up, it's exactly what it's trying to be. All right. Yeah. Geez. Why don't we move on? Okay. I feel like we're probably losing a lot of viewers right now forever that's my fault my neighbor that's literally me i'm so sorry how dare you

Starting point is 02:35:13 this is this will be the next controversy so so wait you said you said bad movie great experience yeah as linus said nothing happens but like it's magical the whole time and really but you had a great time yeah that's no that's a good movie that's a good movie no no movie movie is a thing you know i disagree we can say the same thing about hackers like i liked watching hackers the whole time it's a terrible movie and i liked watching the april totoro the whole time yeah but hackers i think comparing hackers and totoro is i told you a very difficult i told you canceled a difficult essay to write in this in this essay i will destroy my entire professional career miyazaki hackers same playing field angelina jolie cat bus cat bus

Starting point is 02:36:05 sorry all right um um yeah we're at we're at when after dark territory are there any topics we're supposed to do there is there's a segment that you gotta got to do. Hold on. Manifest V3 Destiny is our topic here. Google is resuming its controversial Manifest V3 extension format for Chrome, which it paused earlier this year following public backlash due to how sharply it restricts web filtering and ad blocking. Sorry. What? What now? Oh, no. Sorry. Sorry. What? What now?

Starting point is 02:36:47 Oh no, what happened? Avon Fox in full play chat just said, my neighbor Angelina Jolie. Oh my God, you got 128 bod. Cat bus. Cat bus got eight megs of RAM. We can surf the power lines all night long. You find your daughter sleeping on her.

Starting point is 02:37:08 Oh, boy. I ain't judging. Okay, all right. The original proposal for Manifest V3 limited web filters to 5,000 filtering rules, which Google has relaxed to a limit of 30,000 rules. uBlock Origin currently has over 300,000 filtering rules available to users. In June 2024, Google will turn off Manifest V2, meaning that V2-based extensions will be unavailable from the chrome web store and will automatically be disabled in users browsers google has argued that manifest v3 by limiting extensions will better protect user privacy and streamline chrome however civil liberties groups and security experts have criticized these claims as v3 also limits users ability to protect

Starting point is 02:38:02 themselves especially their ability to protect themselves from Google, who is responsible for a massive amount of internet tracking. It also appears that Google has hard-coded an artificial five-second loading delay into YouTube for certain users. This was initially thought to be targeted against Firefox and Safari browsers because the delay disappeared

Starting point is 02:38:22 when the site was tricked into perceiving the browser as Chrome. However, later user reports indicated that the delay could appear on Edge and Chrome as well. Oh, cool. YouTube denied that this was a matter of which browser and heavily implied that the delay was instead intended to punish ad blockers. So the campaign that Google is running against ad blocking is clearly ongoing and it will

Starting point is 02:38:45 be interesting to watch how this plays out in the coming years because it's far from over the whole punishing ad blockers thing i've always found very interesting because they're like we want you to have a particularly worse time but we're a publicly traded company a lot of our money comes from amount of users so we don't want you to leave. We just want to annoy you. And it's an, it's interesting how they try to play that line. They're like,

Starting point is 02:39:13 we want to annoy you enough that we can maybe push you into buying something, but we don't want to annoy you enough that you leave. So we're going to make you wait five seconds, I guess. Yeah. It seems like kind of a nothing burger. Yeah. Like it's, I don't get it like and

Starting point is 02:39:28 if you're gonna make me wait why don't you make me wait 15 seconds and then make it skippable after five i don't know i don't get it yeah uh nothing has reversed course on blue bubbles so ios colored bubbles on their android devices they have removed the nothing chats beta from the play store claiming they were wait i thought we talked about this last week no they reversed course last week we talked about how they were doing it no i thought we talked about how they weren't doing it anymore well whatever they're not doing it anymore okay cool and then there's one more topic that i wanted to hit here and that was um the eu parliament oh sorry there

Starting point is 02:40:05 is actually a small part of this that is important hold on let's go back uh sunbird we talked about sunbird last week uh you asked um like does this sound secure and i was like yeah well turns out not really um sunbird might not collect users messages on its own servers but it was found that sunbird stores thousands of media files in the cloud service firebase indicating that it might be collecting and storing them externally and if i remember correctly they transfer some amount of stuff through just straight up http not https oh sick so so not good then. Yeah. Sunbird, not cool. What is cool is the EU. Like, can they stop posting these massive Ws so we don't have to talk about them every single week?

Starting point is 02:40:52 We've got to put a really squared off chin on the EU logo. The European Parliament has near unanimously approved a final draft of regulatory rules which require transparent, fair parts pricing, access to essential spare parts and require repair services to be available even after the end of warranties and ban software blocks that are intended to hamper repair aka parts pairing 590 votes were in favor with 15 paid off by big tech and another 15 that were too chicken shit to show up wow so sick that is incredible like this stuff is not justifiable right like apple by all means

Starting point is 02:41:39 serialize your displays or whatever that's fine so that you can track your parts out there in the wild you know put little like apple this is kind of cool apple has like little micro engravings on some of their stuff so they can track which supplier it came from and all that kind of cool stuff by all means do that stuff sure but when i take my iphone screen and i put it in an iphone it needs to just work no i'm not no there shouldn't be a special process to pair that is absolutely ridiculous um and now finally a government or a governing body agrees in december the eu parliament will negotiate the rules with the european council which is composed of the heads of state of eu countries if both bodies pass the legislation, it will become law. That process will take at least a year.

Starting point is 02:42:26 Finally. So cool. Finally. So cool. It's happening. EU. EU with the W. I would have never guessed this would have been, like, the thing that would have solved a lot of these problems. No, me neither.

Starting point is 02:42:42 I didn't see this one coming. Even when the EU was being formed, no inkling in my mind my mind yeah i don't get it but um it's happening stoked okay there's a segment here linus and luke react to the social team's cool case design do you know anything about this have you heard about this personally dan seems to know something just took off he's not in his chair that's an outdated that's still from before but he's also not in his chair right now so cool i think the i think that camera follows motion and i think the fact that i lifted the camera i think it got really upset what oh cute what is this um it's like hackers the computer case wow this is this is caution do not drop what is this really something um what yeah what is what what is this uh the um wow it looks like you're hold on what

Starting point is 02:43:38 does that say it looks like you're trying to it looks like you're trying to open up the back panel would you like a tech tip instead i swear it's not messy in there they made me clippy i'm clippy now also is this the windows xp back oh my gosh it goes all the way into the inside that is amazing this is like too well done it's green grass on the inside how is this painted uh it's not a sticker i don't think probably oh is this like a uv um like a uv print wow this is so cool okay well it apparently came from v1 tech for a sponsored post but the aesthetic and the memes are courtesy of the social team okay great job you guys very cool it looks absolutely fantastic i was just confused at like how they did it but v1 tech that that makes sense yeah that totally makes sense it's absolutely beautiful

Starting point is 02:44:29 great design you're actually going to leave that there yeah okay block the whole show yeah i guess they do not drop on the gpu the backplate yeah yeah it does very cool hilarious all right thanks i love the windows xp theming i also love that dan is unironically wearing the uncle linus's potato farm uh hoodie it is a very comfy hoodie it's freaking awesome that's cool good job i i misplaced mine i've actually i actually don't have one don't have my cultist hoodie um all right my roommate dan just like actually bought one. Nice. Yeah. Nice. He likes it as far as I know.

Starting point is 02:45:07 No, it's awesome. It's legitimately really comfortable. Yeah, yeah. I was so surprised. I was so surprised. I just have so many sweaters that I didn't bother. Yeah. What would you need sweaters for anyway?

Starting point is 02:45:17 Yeah. He's a warm boy. All right. I think it's time for WAN Show After Dark. Yeah. We're not going to get through all of these today. Probably not. Although you say that a lot and then we do it anyway no we will not there are 344 in the arriving queue

Starting point is 02:45:31 that is not do we do we like uh speed run i think we should do some speed runs i think we should do some longer answers just try and kind of mix up a little bit to some of them yeah i'm gonna try to chug through stuff but we got over a thousand merch messages today you guys i just don't think it's let's go you uh you won't be able to like reply to any of them oh in the incoming yeah that's why i haven't touched them um so my chrome tab is currently using four gigs of memory and um chrome does not like that uh so there's some stuff that's going to get rewritten uh so this won't be a problem again uh because when the queue is over about 100 200 then it starts to slow down you should be able to reopen because like mine isn't taking anywhere near that much okay

Starting point is 02:46:17 well can you reply to them i got them i can see i have been walked right into that one I mean no I said I was gonna if you hit show on that one does it show it show it takes forever eventually sometimes it will show and I just reloaded the tab yeah no doing that does not help uh so it'll be fixed for the future but yeah unfortunately I can't keep up with them if I if if I was able to have them show and reply to them instantly, like when they're sub 100, then generally it works okay. Want to hear some mind-boggling numbers, Luke? Conrad, do not just start working on this. We have other stuff to do.

Starting point is 02:46:55 Sorry. Want to hear some mind-boggling numbers? Yeah. To be clear, today was not a money-making day so these are these are top line top line numbers not bottom line numbers but we moved 3 000 blank t-shirts today that's a lot three thousand just a quick note for dan yeah i just replied and sent one it worked fine did it it takes a long time to actually go but it works yeah but i have to do one every like

Starting point is 02:47:31 two seconds i know we sold 600 backpacks which probably means 600 jackets yeah um 480 dog hoodies that's all that's a lot these are mind-boggling numbers to me i don't know am i am i alone here no i just think you're nuts. That is. I said that earlier though. Crazy. Sales are too much. This year was, uh, this year was a correction year. We,

Starting point is 02:48:13 we, um, we wanted to create some excitement. We wanted to, um, we, we have some new ideas for things we want to do on the store. So we're looking to,

Starting point is 02:48:24 we're looking to turn some some product lines even um and maybe we went a little too aggressive from like a pretty aggressive pnl standpoint uh profit and loss um but you know what overall the community has seemed pretty stoked on it yeah there's a lot of really positive but yeah there was that thread there's that thread on the forum of people complaining about our strategy of doing like deal drops every day because they were like well i'd rather have all the deals at once uh so that i can consolidate all my shipping and i was like you know i think once the deals start dropping this is probably not going to be a concern for you and that thread has gone

Starting point is 02:49:02 silent ever since the deal started showing up because it's like yeah okay i'm sorry that's actually not how loss leading works i can't put every loss leader deal up so that you can just buy all the loss leaders at once it's just i'm sorry that's just not how it works um but i think the deals are good enough that people are not upset. Yeah, like literally oh yeah. A lot of screwdrivers. Thousands of screwdrivers. Today was a wild day.

Starting point is 02:49:34 And guess what? It's nowhere near over. Oh yeah. When does it end? Saturday's going to be super aggressive. Sunday's going to be super aggressive. Sunday is going to be super aggressive. Monday is going to be super aggressive. So if you, if you saw something that you likey today,

Starting point is 02:49:52 uh, the odds are that you are going to see something that you definitely also likey, uh, sometime in the next few days. Um, we've got, we've got a lot of really good deals coming up. All right.

Starting point is 02:50:05 So, yeah. Sorry, Aaron K. They're not made of bread. And then I can't click on them, though. Like, I have no way of organizing them then, Dan? Nope. Can I archive them? Can I do anything to them?

Starting point is 02:50:16 Nope. There's also 500 in the queue. None of that is true. Stop. Yes, you can. There's just a huge delay. Do the action and then move on. Really?

Starting point is 02:50:23 Yes. And it'll eventually do it? Yes. Because on really yes and it'll eventually do it yes because i had one that didn't eventually you might have to refresh your tab or do whatever okay i guarantee you i've done i've done a fair amount of this already oh uh no we haven't considered working with vesey to stock their products on the store probably that wouldn't happen because they're a direct-to-consumer brand, and I suspect their margin model would not work very well with having a reseller. So, Luke, that's actually interesting because... Next Scrapyard War is eventually, Aiden.

Starting point is 02:50:53 Are you control-fiving when you refresh? No, apparently, you know, some laptops can handle over 500. Over 500? Like, in-queue, displayed. William is offended that you suggested removing thumb holes his 90s emo childhood is offended so get wrecked um hmm uh nicholas asked where do you guys draw the line when covering topics that could be considered not quite legal you guys have covered plex, emulators, Piehole and the like.

Starting point is 02:51:28 I mean, for us, I think that our line is wherever the community kind of draws it. I mean, we've gone out of our way to make content. I think Piehole is probably the biggest example of something that is a clear and obvious threat to our livelihoods and yet we cover it anyway because we think the technology is really interesting there that's the line if we think the technology is really interesting we'll talk about it like this is not a this is not a you know an x-rated you know r-rated podcast or whatever whatever the adult rating for a podcast would be but we

Starting point is 02:52:02 regularly talk about uh youhub, for example, if they're doing something that we think is interesting from a technological standpoint, or if regulators are going after them in a way that could have an impact on the tech industry more broadly. So I think for us, we are... The internet in general. How is Pihole a threat?

Starting point is 02:52:19 Are you guys serious right now? I mean, they are a user on Floatplane. So it's not there you're actually paying us for the content thank you very much but um a huge part of our revenue comes from advertising believe it or not i know it's crazy right like youtube creators uh yeah ads and that's how they make my ads what uh i know i i am being nice i'm i'm being I'm being nicely understanding that they might not have realized that ads are what supports creators online.

Starting point is 02:52:50 I was also confused by it. I just had no idea. Doesn't make any sense. I don't get it. Anyway, I know you guys have done a video on running Windows on Chromebooks via virtualization. Any plans to look at the Crawltrabook project? project? It's running windows Linux bare metal with the API. You know, that sounds cool. Except I honestly feel like Chrome OS is kind of like the future. That's a

Starting point is 02:53:16 super, super controversial take. I, I, Oh man, this could be a whole topic. This could be a whole video. I think this will be a whole video at some point but i think in the way that steam os has taken linux mainstream for gaming for handheld gaming and maybe even living room gaming chrome os mainstream linux laptop it supports steam now so the the day of the linux desktop is the install base is enormous yeah a whole generation of kids man it's it's the future chrome os the future no one wanted except for google windows fanboys didn't want it except for google windows fanboys didn't want it linux fanboys didn't want it no one likes it but it's what we got but there's tens hundreds of millions of them out there darkest timeline yeah yeah or like most multi-color because the chrome logo yeah

Starting point is 02:54:22 oh man i don't like it but i i kind of see it coming i kind of see it coming no linus no spyware os i i don't make the rules man it's there it's there um okay luke w asks linus you've got two million dollars you can spend it on a a rimac nevera b a brick and mortar ltt store c to bribe asus to make an oled ally or d you let luke and dan send spend it on new merch ideas well not d because we'd end up with bread or something bread did well i don't deny that bread did well i didn't come up with bread i definitely wouldn't bribe asus to make an oled ally they'll do it soon enough so we're left with a brick and mortar ltt store or see here's the thing um that's not how money works if i had two million dollars

Starting point is 02:55:18 i would be able to buy a fraction of a ramac nevera because by the time you deal with taxes especially the luxury tax on cars here in british columbia i would be buying like about two-fifths of a ramac nevera um so i guess i'm gonna go with the brick and mortar ltd store but i i think that would end up being quite unsuccessful i i just don't know if our foot traffic would be high enough a small pickup location maybe the one good part of that one is you you bought a a location so at least the money went towards what is technically an investment yeah i'm down for real estate yeah i'm down for real estate investing yeah um to be clear i'm okay i don't think i've really talked about this on the show much i'm not that into uh residential real estate

Starting point is 02:56:04 investing and commercial is a lot different i don't think it's that cool but um that's a whole I've really talked about this on the show much. I'm not that into residential real estate investing. Commercials are a lot different. I don't think it's that cool, but that's a whole can of worms. Oh yeah. Sorry, Griffin. I don't think we're going to get into non-tech experiences for now, but hey, thank you so much

Starting point is 02:56:20 for sending in a merch message. Greetings from Iceland. With the new CEO, have there been some internal changes that he's been able to get through or is it still a bit gung-ho free-for-all I mean it

Starting point is 02:56:28 was never gung-ho free-for-all we had a CEO before just saying sort of tape whoa have there been some changes yeah all right fair enough thanks Simunder good question we have

Starting point is 02:56:41 time today to go way too into it but yeah there have been and good ones Benjamin what's a mechanic slash quirk of retro games you sorely miss man i don't know if i sorely miss it but remember cheat codes like i missed it a lot it's kind of cute there's a few games that like really played into it like uh blitz back in the day was objectively better because of g codes it was fun they even made it so that like if you didn't know them you could still like

Starting point is 02:57:13 accidentally do it so like without looking things up on the internet you could like randomly get some of them and then maybe you'd learn them that way because you'd be able to reproduce it and then figure it out it was kind of cool i don't think we have plans for a standalone windbreaker deal at the time zachary sorry when was the last time you broke something and thought you would never recover uh oh ltt breaks a lot of things says Levi. When was the last time you broke something and thought you would never recover? I don't know. I mean, we're pretty good at what we do. Pretty resilient.

Starting point is 02:57:52 Yeah, and I think- It's like the camera, but we would have recovered. It just would have sucked. Yeah, I don't think that's what Levi means. I think it's like moving fast and breaking things, like that kind of breaking things and i think we for a long time whether it was skill or luck we we kind of rode from one success to another like there's a long period where our viewership just goes like this um and there are

Starting point is 02:58:18 times more recently like over the last probably three to four years when sometimes it dips and sometimes it goes up and sometimes it dips and sometimes it goes up and sometimes it dips and sometimes it goes up and sometimes we're just at the mercy of the tech industry and sometimes it's because we haven't nailed the tone with the content. But I don't think I've ever really been at a point where I'm sitting here going, you know, we broke something,

Starting point is 02:58:43 we're never going to recover. With enough effort, it's always been possible. Yeah, we have a great team. I'd love to see a roundup of smart home improvements you've done. Yeah, that would be the shortest video ever where I just kind of talk about my horrible light switches and my blinds that I can't figure out how to get. Um,

Starting point is 02:59:06 yeah. Well, what's the, what's the word for adopted or no, not adopted. I forget what the stupid word is and no JS or whatever it is. Um, yeah.

Starting point is 02:59:19 Uh, there's, there's a few different messages about steam deck, OLED and, and stuff like that. Um, I have officially definitely for sure decided not to get one. Wow, what a surprise.

Starting point is 02:59:30 Luke decided not to buy something. I have a better reason now. Shocking. Because I did buy other things. Okay. What? Yeah. Not a handheld gaming thing.

Starting point is 02:59:39 Sort of. Shut up, you did not. Sort of. I don't believe you. I bought Switch games yeah exactly i just told you it's like such horse but now like the amount of time leading like i didn't believe him for a second you guys not even for a second he buys games that's not the question yeah but they're sick because i bought them in japan and they're all japanese but when you put

Starting point is 03:00:05 them in your switch they play in english okay which is awesome so the game cases look cool you know that that was an option not in japan right you could just buy import japanese switch games yeah but they were cheaper because you get them without taxes no they weren't because you paid for an airfare to japan oh yeah yeah, fair enough. I did that for other reasons, to be fair. Wait, you haven't talked about your trip. Yeah, not really. It was freaking awesome. It was really cool.

Starting point is 03:00:35 Hung out with Sam. The first few days, my brother and I just cruised around Tokyo, and that was sweet. We went to Pokemon Center Mega. We're both into Pokemon. We both play Pokemon Go, so that was sweet we went to Pokemon Center Mega we're both into Pokemon we both play Pokemon Go so that was fun that whole mall is like

Starting point is 03:00:51 kind of crazy if you're into anime stuff there's like there's a One Piece store there's a Miyazaki I don't remember the My neighbor totoro spirited away that all that whole all of those they have one store for that studio ghibli studio ghibli there we go um they they had all these other different things it was a very cool place went there uh went to oh my god i'm gonna forget all the names of the things that people like and it's gonna drive

Starting point is 03:01:24 people crazy um akihabara i and it's going to drive people crazy. Um, Akihabara, I believe it's called, which is like, like electric town is what it used to be called. That was a really interesting place. Um,

Starting point is 03:01:33 I know you have no desire for long plane flights, but, um, yeah, Luke invited me to go on this trip as well. Yeah. You would have had a great time. I'm sure I would have.

Starting point is 03:01:43 You would have really enjoyed it. I was really busy back here. Yes. Yeah. I do believe you considering i came back and my to-do list is actually genuinely terrifying so yeah it makes sense um but yeah what's it like having a real boss now that's it's my own stuff it's my own tasks he's actually like pretty chill but anyways um but yeah this place the amount of like used computers like there was there was a very major store with a lot of people in it the front display facing the street had old think pads from like old think pads from like 2011 it was like very interesting there's a lot of that type of stuff but they're very good condition and everything almost every computer store that i went into had used stuff like there was there was i walked into a store that sold like one-off built computers

Starting point is 03:02:44 that people had like sold back to the store when they were getting new ones and stuff so you get like custom rigs there's like it's a very interesting place to walk around in um yeah tokyo in general was cool we did a few other things we did something called team lab which was like actually amazing. It's this like immersive art installation thing. And it was actually really, really cool. Yeah, TeamLab Planets Tokyo. Really weird. I didn't expect to do this.

Starting point is 03:03:18 The one that I knew about in regards to TeamLab was not this Planets thing. Planets itself was quite the experience um very cool yeah and then we went up north we we got out of tokyo went to abisu circuit and drifted and watched drifting for a few days with Samit and the crew. Barely spent any time with Samit himself because Samit was busy. Oh, I don't know. Drifting. Nice. And like hanging out with his drifting people.

Starting point is 03:03:53 But his team I spent a lot of time with. They were super cool. We got to do a little drifting ourselves. We watched a bunch of drifting. That was fun to immerse ourselves into for a little while. That was sweet do you see one of the life-size gundams yep did see one of those it was very good trip took uh japan in general fantastic food was amazing once we got out of tokyo and i'm told that's a weird

Starting point is 03:04:17 experience so we probably went to the wrong places when we're in tokyo that's probably our bad i don't know but the second we got to like the, was it Nihonmetsu? I don't remember the exact name of the town we were staying in outside of the Ebisu circuit area. But once we got out to like the smaller town that we ended up staying in for most of the trip, the food was incredible.

Starting point is 03:04:39 Super, super good. Fantastic. It was very fun. Do you want some of the ones I curated? Or what's your plan? How are you tackling this? My tab is completely locked up. So I'm going to refresh real quick.

Starting point is 03:04:57 Oh, it just works fine, Dan. I didn't say it worked fine. You were saying it didn't work at all. And it does. I didn't say it was a skill issue. You didn't have to say it. I'm just sitting here replying and then i was thinking maybe i'll just sit here have a nap wake up and maybe see it go across the screen at some point one hour 40 minutes 507 minute queue so there is really no actual reason to do typed replies oh i feel bad because there's a ton of really good discussion topics and stuff there is i just tried to curate one and it just wouldn't i'm so sorry i'm so sorry maybe it'll do it in like 10 minutes i'm sorry to the anonymous person

Starting point is 03:05:39 who says that uh your order was canceled against your wishes and the deal is gone. Hit up support. Yeah, they did hit up support. Apparently there's nothing we can do about it. So I'm very sorry. So I've got that one. Sorry about that. I got scammed on eBay. What's a scam that you would find obvious

Starting point is 03:05:59 but have seen others fall for? Man, a big one is definitely moving eBay purchases off platform. Yep. Um, and like, to be clear, I've actually had okay experiences with people saying,

Starting point is 03:06:14 Hey, let's resolve this one to one like this, uh, this biker put like, it's like a, like a, like a hog. So it had the like long,

Starting point is 03:06:23 uh, I don't know what the, I don't know what the bars are called that go down to the front wheel, like a chopper style style bike. Anyway, one of those went through the door of my car. Cause he just like turned into me out of nowhere. He was like, no, I've like, I've got one of these like Suzuki Swifts, like in my yard, I'll just rip the door off for you and I'll put it on. And he kind of it was like okay um the lock didn't work anymore but like realistically he was gonna lock that car so uh there it worked out okay you got a bad deal what was i gonna do like go through insurance on like a 400 car like i don't know yeah yeah see it seemed like it seemed like kind of a kind of a dick move to to make him

Starting point is 03:07:06 you know have his insurance premiums go up but like that the monthly charge that his insurance premiums would go up is probably more than that car is worth insurance is such a whack just for getting in an accident yeah um armstrong i'm sorry i got i went to the wrong timeline it's 270 not 260 dollars how could you make such a silly mistake i'm sorry i did my best um oh my gosh this is just it's overwhelming it almost feels like there's no point looking at anything because there's so many dean asks if case defy sponsored you to wrap the taikan would you still stick with war zone if case defy sponsored me to wrap the taikan trying to think i'm trying to think would i do it to make d brand actually mad i i feel like that would be like a too far situation the easiest thing about it i wouldn't take their money i wouldn't take their money but i could see negotiating something where i have like

Starting point is 03:08:13 a case to find skin like in the in the case to five version of the x-ray and then i tell d brand here's a sponsorship opportunity i will crush the taikan in the case to buy skin or something like that like that's the kind of wild that they would go crazy for yeah yeah that lines up i do not wish to crush my taikan we don't have like kind of that that sort of wasteful approach to our content that's the only scenario where i could see wrapping the taikan in a case to buy skin is to like is as part of an elaborate troll or something like that like we've worked with dbrand since basically day zero of dbrand um we were one of their first partners they were one of our first partners and we we rib each other hard but um you know there's

Starting point is 03:09:02 there's mutual respect there so um yeah i think that if we were to if we were to to to sell out that relationship like business is about more than just money guys if we were to sell out that relationship for a few bucks um i think that would say a lot about me um i think that would say a lot about our company i think that would say a lot about um our y'all have been through some stuff at this point yeah yeah hey uh this is a question for you guys but i'm gonna answer it uh john asks if dan and luke had to pick a harebrained tech inspired home improvement project like linus where would they start and would their so's be okay i'm hijacking this i was told today that it is a serious disturbance to have the ac running in the

Starting point is 03:10:00 editing den while we're trying to shoot in the build corner to which i responded excuse me mother f***er the ac is running the temperature outside is like four degrees celsius why are we running air conditioning and the response was i think you see where i'm going with this that it gets too hot in the editing den and so i'm'm sitting there, I'm noodling, I'm thinking, I'm going, could there be some way to remove the heat from the computers in the editing den without expelling it into the editing den? Whole warehouse cooling?

Starting point is 03:10:40 Let's go. Whole warehouse water cooling? Are we doing it? Well, it sounds like we'll have to. What are we going to do run ac in the winter it's ridiculous no that's insane it makes no sense yeah i like it i'm down and we can do it properly but no the idea works it just yeah there's a new idea okay inspired by data center cooling,

Starting point is 03:11:05 where they've got the whole rack and they've got like that big radiator door on it. And from what we learned, from what we learned through our various, you know, water cooling things with pools and rooftop radiators and all of that. And also what I learned cooling the room at my house, where I had like the dual radiator

Starting point is 03:11:26 setup inside and out. Holy crap. No. Eureka moment. It just came to me. We're finally going to do a case. Okay. This is brilliant.

Starting point is 03:11:42 Do you want to detail all this right now? You know what? I might as well well if someone beats us to it i don't know i i i think that people i think that people will wait for ours we can be pretty slow about stuff i think people will wait for the proper one tall shirts Chill. We design a case that has its own radiator door airflow style and is designed to have a radiator at the back. So you air cool the computer and then you run your water outside. So you remove the heat of the system from the room but you don't have to fuss about with water cooling other than to just sell four of these cases chill other than to hook up two tubes to the back of the case that's it and then you just run them outside it's genius so you're cooling

Starting point is 03:12:40 the air that comes out of the computer yes Yes. Yeah. Because, I mean, there's other components you want to cool down. It makes sense. I just think you're going to sell four. Four thousand? I don't know about that. In all seriousness, I don't think that's a real product. But if we were to do a whole editing den water cooling setup, that actually could make sense. Because then we don't have to install blocks on everything.

Starting point is 03:13:16 Kyle at Linus no yeah yeah oh man um yeah i mean i think whole room water cooling there is is reasonable enough i think if you had a uh i think you did this with the pool to be completely honest i haven't followed the episodes closely enough, but if you had a system where you could change where it was dumping the heat, because being able to dump it in the warehouse in the winter would be great. Yeah. But you don't want to dump it in the warehouse in the summer. I didn't bother at home.

Starting point is 03:13:37 I actually did pitch something to Yvonne like this, putting like, you know, you know, those really silly fireplaces that have a fan beneath some like shredded cloth and they have like red and orange lights? I was like, okay, hear me out. I dumped the server heat into the living room fireplace

Starting point is 03:13:53 and I just have like one of those above the fan. That did not, that was not successful. That would have been funny. That was a failed pitch. Would have been funny. I don't need to at home because the pool always needs some heat. Even in the winter, you're not supposed to empty it because it can like the air

Starting point is 03:14:11 under the like groundwater can like lift the whole thing. They didn't engineer it properly. And I'm sure that our builders didn't engineer it properly. Definitely not. So, um, so Hannah said, why not duck that heat into the warehouse yeah yeah but we need to be able to also not do that yeah so here we would want to be able we would want to have a valve so that we could um dump it into the warehouse in the winter and then dump it outside in the summer yeah 100 yeah yeah yeah that'd be sick anyway if you guys wanted to talk about harebrained tech inspired home improvements that's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be sick.

Starting point is 03:14:45 Anyway, if you guys wanted to talk about harebrained tech inspired home improvements, that's was sort of for you. And I hijacked it hard. Oh my goodness. No, all my stuff just sucks. I have water damage that I have to get fixed. That's going to cost me a ton of money.

Starting point is 03:14:58 And, uh, my AC started leaking again. It's leaked like three times. And I called one AC company and they were like, oh yeah, what model is it? And I told them the model and they were like, oh yeah, we refuse to work on those now.

Starting point is 03:15:13 And I was like, what, why? And they're like, oh, they're just so trash that we fix them and then people just blame it on us when it breaks again. And we actually will not work on it again. And I was like like do i need to get a new one and they were like if you want to work with us yeah but like i'm not even trying to upsell you you just call someone else we just don't want to work on that i was like okay so i

Starting point is 03:15:35 called another company same thing so well who's what's the make it's a samsung oh really i like thought it would be fine when I got the place. So here's the thing. Samsung smart inverter. Here's the thing about air conditioners. As far as I can tell, like even the big companies will just like white label them and stuff. I don't know. Like when I bought my like Senville one, I was like, who the heck is Senville?

Starting point is 03:16:00 Like what even, what even is this? And then as far as I could tell, it was exactly the same AC as one one from a different company and then it was exactly the same thing as some other company by the way that thing has worked perfectly it's been a tank um my in-laws are still using it yeah i don't know the uh it's yeah it's a i think it's i'm pretty sure it's called samsung smart inverter hi dll what has been the best deal you've ever gotten? Five bucks for a DVD writer back in like 2004 or something. Or sorry, it was a DVD reader, CD rewriter. It was a Black Friday special. It was a whole pyramid of them at Future Shop. And I went for it. It was five bucks after mail-in rebate. And I sent in that mail-in rebate and I got it. It was like 25 bucks with a $20 MIR or something like that. And I went for it.

Starting point is 03:16:51 $5 optical drive. Funny story. I never used it. Not even once. I used to, one of the, one of the ways that I used to make money building computers for people, um, would be that I would take all the MIRs. mirs oh hey you probably aren't going to bother with this do you mind if i take those almost always yeah sure wow interesting yeah there was margin to be made like that because you'd often have like 20 30 mir sometimes and that's all the margin you would make building a computer mirs used to be a big deal so there'd be a ton of parts that would have them and you collect them all together

Starting point is 03:17:26 and it's a decent amount. And it can be a little tedious, but if you build like three or four computers in a month, then you just do all of them at the same time. Yeah, not bad. I like it. SIGGN, whatever. Yeah, it's a heat pump.

Starting point is 03:17:40 I just call it an AC because they don't use it for heat. What are you talking about, Joshua? No, we should not normalize building $2,000 PCs to play Minecraft. Jeremiah asks, how would you feel about a live adaptation film of Final Fantasy VI? I don't know if it would work as a film. I don't think it would be very good. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:18:06 Not to be that guy. I think it works as a game. Hey, have you played anymore? Not since we last played. Really? You're not going to play Final Fantasy in Japan? No. That's fair.

Starting point is 03:18:17 I didn't play like any games in Japan. Yeah, that's fair. You were busy. Michael Cera as Gal? No. michael sarah as gal no how many more of these are we gonna do there's 471 in arriving uh i think i i have a feeling if we if we killed it and even potentially turned it back on again

Starting point is 03:18:45 to split the thingamajig, it might work better. I've got curated and potential if you want to go through that. Sure, why don't you give us a few, Dan? Is that working? Are you able to curate stuff right now? No, but I did before everything kind of. Sorry, I said 471.

Starting point is 03:19:00 It's up to 527 now. Like this isn't even people buying stuff so they can send a merch message. This is people buying stuff because the deals are stupid. I'm like, oh, I guess I'll send a merch message. Guys, we are not gonna, if you send a merch message now,

Starting point is 03:19:15 we are not gonna get to it unless your name is William G. In which case, I don't know. You were right at the top of the queue. I guess we get to it. I legit forgot to do two of the items I wanted. So I buying a second batch of items thanks for getting brain hey sup william g okay dan hit me sure uh 15 years of ltd let's go what is something you wish could be brought back from the last 15 years to now i think we already did this topic today dan seriously yeah okay it's fine it's been

Starting point is 03:19:45 a while i haven't been able to pay attention i'm sorry i meant to say this was going to happen earlier um i've always heard that you shouldn't buy a tv during the black friday because it's common didn't we already read these did you not you didn't archive them well i did doesn't work okay i'm sorry where uh let's see yeah I wasn't I wasn't listening complete show today I'm so sorry Linus you're doing great Dan

Starting point is 03:20:13 I don't know if this is going to work you're very trying I get it from you I learned from you sir I had to take it that's good yeah don't hold back. Let's see.

Starting point is 03:20:28 Tech problems you thought you solved. Omega total says... Mouse! They were just trying to freak out. Dan, who is... I don't exist anymore. Who is there, but is not. I live in your walls.

Starting point is 03:20:39 Wait, did it update? No. No. No, it didn't. It looks like it moved. No, it didn't. No. Oh it moved. No, it didn't. No. Oh, man.

Starting point is 03:20:47 Sorry, I'm really... Where the hell did we get to? No, did someone turn it back live again? Don't do that. Turn what back live? I turned the Merch Messages panel to not live, and it instantly was performing way better, and then it's back online again,

Starting point is 03:21:04 and now it's performing poorly again and now it just happened automatically sad uh yeah i don't remember where you guys got to i don't know did you have a nice time in japan we talked about that oh let christmas 15 years we know you love badminton uh have you ever tried padel oh what no we have not talked about that what is padel padel hi linus uh we know you love badminton have you ever tried or considered trying padel it's probably the most popular sport after soccer in my home country of spain i have a feeling it's going to be like pickleball. Padel tennis. I think it's basically pickleball.

Starting point is 03:21:47 This is Padel. It, it looks a little similar to pickleball, which is our, uh, paddle, paddle sport, but we use a wiffle ball,

Starting point is 03:21:59 not a tennis ball. And this appears to be with an actual tennis ball and seems to have actual like big tournaments then again pickleball is getting huge right now absolutely has tournaments uh i mean it didn't both sports years ago with an underarm serve diagonally into the opponent's service box before playing the point out in both padel and pickleball the ball can only bounce once padel is unique in that you can hit the ball off the walls or let the ball hit the wall uh to help you make a return interesting so it's somewhere in between tennis squash pickleball racquetball

Starting point is 03:22:41 this looks pretty wild man this looks like a lot of fun. This is freaking crazy. Look at this guy. He goes out of the cage. That's legal? Are you serious right now? So you can take a lot of the beans off of it by just letting it hit the back wall unless it's a really flat shot that's super cool oh that was yeah that was sick yeah

Starting point is 03:23:14 that's wild man okay i'd be super down to try it but i don't think there's a single padel court in vancouver yeah i doubt it it looks pretty sick though yeah that looks like a lot of fun i played squash once and it was a blast the google results for how is padel and pickleball different make you think they're pretty darn similar and then you watch that that's closer to squash yeah yeah yeah you were talking about your love of city builder games have you ever tried frost punk it's a game that always sucks me back in when i go back to it months later i have You were talking about your love of city builder games. Have you ever tried Frostpunk? It's a game that always sucks me back in when I go back to it months later. I have not.

Starting point is 03:23:49 I wasn't going to tell you. It's very good. No, he hasn't. Neither have I. You should try it, if you like that. Hi, so last week I channeled my inner Linus and dropped a $30,000 TV camera directly on the lens. So that's been my week. Linus, as a drop king,

Starting point is 03:24:05 how do you deal with the aftermath of dropping stuff? I usually don't break stuff, actually. I'm really careful when the thing matters the vast majority of the time. I just, I typically end up dropping things because I'm inattentive and in a hurry. I'm usually in a hurry. And so I will specifically slow down when

Starting point is 03:24:26 i'm working with something very heavy uh very delicate very valuable there are some exceptions like that one time i dropped the ten thousand dollars xeon chip i was really frustrated and the way i dealt with the aftermath of that was i had to buy my own replacement xeon chip off of ebay i wasn't going to pay full price for it, but I really had to finish that video. Amelia asks, have you listened to the black mages yet? Instrumental rock music based on final fantasy music from three composers

Starting point is 03:24:55 who worked on the franchise. I've heard of this, but I haven't listened to it yet. Andrew asks the discussion with D brand got me thinking any chance of a future partnership on a skin or skin series with them? They've reached out. I think that would be, there'd be obvious synergies there.

Starting point is 03:25:10 The truth is that when I saw Teardown, I was like, that's a great idea. I wish I thought of that. I don't have a better idea. We've done a couple of drops. We did that cool sticker bomb one. But like, what would be i mean you know i think something that would be kind of ltd would be like a you know like a cracked thing or something like that but that's been done to death like i what would be what would

Starting point is 03:25:37 be unique right like what would be different i honestly just yeah i just don't really have any great ideas i'm like yeah we could just come up with cool designs like people are saying let sarah design one on live stream like yeah sure that's cool and everything but that's not a product lineup that's not um like a long-term collaboration right so i just don't think it um i just don't think it makes sense what is the name for their x-ray thing i don't remember but it's an x-ray. I thought you just said it. Oh, no, no.

Starting point is 03:26:06 Uh, tear down is just the, the, the shot of the internals. The x-ray one is called something else. I can't remember what it's called. Tear down is like a product line that kind of makes itself. Yeah. Like it has,

Starting point is 03:26:17 it has just this longterm appeal. As long as you just continue to maintain it, continue to work on these designs um they all it all thematically makes sense whereas just designing stuff is um is very i want to say manual because the process of creating a teradon is very manual is a ton of of very picky work that goes into it. But it's not cohesive there. I guess that's the word I'm looking for. Oh, go ahead. Yeah, sure. Hello, LLD. First, I'm buying from the store. If you could direct Creator Warehouse's budget towards making one personal project or product what would it be electric screwdriver or badminton gear for example um definitely not an electric screwdriver

Starting point is 03:27:11 i'm i'm a manual screwdriver kind of guy i like yeah the ratchet you know i um badminton gear oh there's no money in badminton that's yeah that's not something i would pursue a really good universal remote that doesn't suck i still haven't tried the sofa whatever baton um maybe it's really great but the fact that logitech bought harmony and then just was like yeah forget it i i hate that kind of stuff that sucks when companies buy something that's working really well and it has a really great niche community that really loves it, and then they're just like, eh. Never mind. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:27:48 Lost interest, you know? It's really frustrating. Hey, DLL. Yesterday I was terrified to find out that there was a silent corruption bug in ZFS from versions 2.1.4+. What is the scariest software bug or vulnerability you've had to deal

Starting point is 03:28:05 with i think at the time the forum breach from yesteryear was like in retrospect, it's kind of whatever. But at the time I was freaking out pretty hard. These days, like, I don't know, everything, every website on the planet has basically had a breach at this point. And the like user data on the forum is sort of whatever compared to some of these other places like 23andMe and stuff. Well, we went out of our way when we created the forum to hold no valuable user data. Like, yeah, emails. And we take that seriously. Yes.

Starting point is 03:29:10 but it's an email for a tech savvy audience who probably has more than one email address and stuff like it's not yeah it's it's it's not genetic data yeah so i'm not saying it's not a big deal i'm just saying in relative terms yeah uh like it would have been very upsetting now but at the time i was like kind of freaking out pretty hardcore um so yeah yeah probably that one thomas s asks with the meet the team videos showing off that a lot of lmg band new christmas album with proper musicianship no maybe definitely not a remaster of the original one it's not worth the effort but luke are you down to do a new christmas album of course i don't like what am i am i gonna say no i don't have to ask dan he's just sitting here going maybe if i'm quiet i won't i won't this up and it will happen i don't even think i sent the thing to Luke yet. Oh, no. What thing? What thing? Have you been working on it on your stream?

Starting point is 03:30:35 Thinking about getting a Steam Deck to work on personal projects, 3D and PCB design on death time at work. Any comments from anybody on using the Steam Deck for this type of application, you know, besides gaming? What is death time at work? Like, you know. Does that just work time at work like uh you know just work i think it's supposed to be like dead time like there's nothing happening okay uh i mean i saw a lot of people bringing steam decks to whale land and when you talk to them they're like yeah this is just my computer i use it for everything so presumably they're

Starting point is 03:31:00 doing all kinds of things with it for that use case that's cool i i find myself not really needing like a really heavy portable gaming device i have a laptop i have a desktop i'm surprised you describe it as heavy i mean your forearms are bigger than my biceps i mean is this like getting good i guess maybe you should just get good did you ever think of that do you even lift bro oh my god not lately yeah let's go let's go chin up competition how many can you do let's go you'll beat me on that um i've been sick it's actually very frustrating i haven't been able to go to the gym because you've probably noticed me coughing a little bit during the show it's mostly gone but right now if i breathe really deeply or i try to

Starting point is 03:31:49 like brace with my chest i'll just start coughing so like not being able to breathe deeply doesn't really go well with trying to work out so i've been pretty frustrated actually i feel you know we've talked about this before but but you start to feel soft. Like I feel soft. I feel squishy. And I feel like I've lost. Squishy. I'm sure I haven't lost as much as it feels like I've lost.

Starting point is 03:32:12 No, but part of it is just the weakness. Yes. And that you haven't been eating enough. Yeah. And also like, I don't know. Yeah, I feel squishy. It feels very bad. And there's like some amount of concern like oh am i going

Starting point is 03:32:26 to fall out of the like habit or the routine yeah you won't that doesn't feel like a thing right now i'm just very frustrated that i can't go every day that i'm like supposed to go i like i sit there i'm like maybe maybe i maybe i can go maybe i can do it and then i'll like yeah i'm like oh damn it so it's like yeah i'm not actually worried about that part it's just frustrating johnny k asks what are your thoughts on buying controllers specifically for playing pc games the ps5 dual sense controllers on sale right now 100 i mean yeah so many pc games are just console games that run on pc because consoles are just pcs there's also like racing games and stuff where like, it's actually just better to not use a keyboard.

Starting point is 03:33:07 Ryan M asks, are you guys Dr. Who fans? Are you excited for the special tomorrow? Okay. I watched through like everything that existed at some point. And then I stopped watching cause it got kind of stupid. And then I heard it's like supposed to get good again.

Starting point is 03:33:22 Cause like, what is it like David Tennant's coming back or something like that so maybe I'll pick it up again that'd be kind of a fun thing to watch with like my son or something like that but I don't know I definitely enjoyed it a lot

Starting point is 03:33:37 exterminate I don't know it's just okay that's something that I feel like is kind of campy it's not so bad it's good i think it's actually good but it's it's definitely campy like the the like the visual effects are so bad they're good in my opinion hey yeah i purchased the big screen vr month. Chris Eccleston underrated. What? Go ahead.

Starting point is 03:34:08 And I'm super excited to find... Eccleston, sorry, whatever. Eccleston? Still underrated. Go ahead. How do you store your VR headsets, and how do you prevent the lens from fogging up when playing? I store them in a drawer. And then I don't prevent them from...

Starting point is 03:34:23 I don't think I have issues with them uh fogging up i work i don't think i've ever had issues with them fogging fogging because you have to have you have to have a low temperature for condensation to form on it right like that's why ski goggles fog up or just like be breathing on them but that shouldn't be happening yeah that's kind of yeah maybe it's uh maybe it's a particular issue with the design of, maybe if you had something where like you're like breathing out in the air. Like, I wonder if you could put like,

Starting point is 03:34:53 kind of like a breath guard on it or something like that to keep breath because like from coming up. Just like what VR headset is covering your nose? I can't think of any. Me neither. But it might depend on your nose shape. Like maybe if you have like more of an upturned nose and you're kind of blowing more directly onto the lenses maybe like a little air up there yeah yeah getting some type of guard i

Starting point is 03:35:13 could see that yeah i work in aerospace manufacturing quality inspection the poor quality control i see daily has increased my flight anxiety has insider knowledge ever changed the way you use my wife was a pharmacist oh god the the frequency not yvonne yvonne apparently never dispensed the wrong thing that sounds probably right but the frequency with which it would happen and at a pseudo union employer like costco the limited recourse that yvonne the manager had to deal with people who dispensed the wrong medication was terrifying and from everything she told me costco was relatively well run but just like people would make mistakes which is a life and death situation and because they're like pseudo union like they're non-union but they they try to behave like a like a unionized employer would they try to take care of people um it's very

Starting point is 03:36:20 difficult to fire people and so you'd have someone that just like makes mistakes and you like to the point where she would want to just fire them and hire someone who doesn't make mistakes with people's medication but that was not a lever she could pull um yeah it's yeah it's terrifying and like man i mean basically anything if there's anything yvonne and i have learned from running a business for the last 11 years almost at this point um it's that experts are just people whether it's lawyers or contractors or pharmacists or whatever people are people and people make mistakes they're inattentive they don't care uh even even when they're trying really hard sometimes they're inattentive they don't care uh even even when they're trying really hard sometimes they're just plain stupid uh like it's just it sorry you know and and it and it's nothing it's nothing

Starting point is 03:37:12 personal i make mistakes i don't know if yvonne makes mistakes but i do uh and um yeah you you have to double check everything, basically. I don't think I would take a pill at this point without like looking at it. Yeah, I mean, that's fair enough. I think my easiest and best example is there's like, I don't remember exactly how the quote goes, but there's a quote, something about like locksmiths

Starting point is 03:37:42 and people that are into mechanical things prefer digital locks and software engineers and software developers that are into software things prefer physical locks yeah it's like the more you know about it the more you yeah axman 1984 says i used to hold doctors in high regard until i got to know some yeah it's basically that yeah first merch message here since the NCIX days happy 15th birthday hey thanks

Starting point is 03:38:10 do you miss the stylus of your Samsung Note days I just finished my first year of owning an iPhone and still miss it no Apple Pencil support nope I'm off the wing now we're working on the review I'm back on the note i do miss it sometimes when i'm not on the note though yeah 100 hi lld looking back what ltt store item do

Starting point is 03:38:33 you think was the catalyst that blew the store up uh i mean there's levels of blow up i mean the screwdriver blew it up um backpack blew it up both of those that was like an incredible one-two punch um i don't know if we'll ever have a like a month like that again um it's crazy like what kind of validated that it was a thing though and stealth hoodie did really well. I'm trying to think. Water bottles. Water bottles, Northern Lights desk pad

Starting point is 03:39:10 really made it sustainable, allowed us to hire people to work on it and pay them out of the money that we made from those products and turn it into a perpetual motion machine. Those were probably the pivotal ones in the early days. Let's see. Long time watcher, first time buying while the show is live.

Starting point is 03:39:37 What is a game that you've played that could be seen as a perfect game, but one big flaw is keeping you from saying that? Ooh, well, perfect is a big big word it's a difficult question that's a that's quite the word a perfect game except for one big flaw i'm trying to think i feel like we might be aided by like looking at top rated games of all time. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:40:08 We could do that. We could also, outer wilds. I still need to play. Darn it. Um, Hmm. You know what?

Starting point is 03:40:18 This is a really good answer though. Uh, just look who it is. It says outer wilds. It's perfect, but you can't replay it. And I would say portal suffers from that. one yeah portal one it has zero replayability value once you've solved the puzzles and you've experienced that atmosphere and the like is that actually a

Starting point is 03:40:39 problem feeling of it becoming creepy over time well you'll never you'll never re-experience that magic but you experienced it once yeah sure but it's oh no i'm okay okay hold on but perfect would be perfect and replayability is a valuable attribute for a game i can replay final fantasy 6 even though i know what's going to happen but with portal it's all in the discovery of what's happening. It's different. Someone at Full Plane Chat said, Tarkov, perfect, but cheaters. That is so incredibly incorrect. It's not perfect.

Starting point is 03:41:15 It is so far from perfect. Oh my goodness. Wow. No. It would be helped so much by addressing the cheater problem in any way at all um with any level of effectiveness even slightly other than like encouraging them more um but it's super far from perfect long time watch watcher, first time buyer, was holding out for the retro screwdriver. Linus, what type of music do you listen to?

Starting point is 03:41:51 And has playing Beat Saber changed your taste in music? That's something I find really frustrating about Beat Saber is I'm at the point now where a lot of the music that I would like to listen to, like if I just want to listen to like, you know, casual Katy Perry or Taylor Swift tracks or whatever, it's mapped at a level that I can't really enjoy it. It's not fun. It's not challenging. And so if I want to play maps that I find challenging, I end up listening to like weed music basically.

Starting point is 03:42:22 And that's not really my style. is like like i don't like the song but i really liked caramel dancing oh that's not weed music that's swedish okay it was adopted by weebs yeah yeah but was it born in the weeb it was just molded by it it adopted it yeah um okay sure whatever that is i don't like like that song but it's sure great i love that song so i don't know whatever whatever um no no there's like way way more weeb stuff if you get into like higher level i'm sure yeah higher level maps what even is this show at this point i don't know well we've got we've got 430 more to go so they're doing this up still dan we'll do this the whole black friday weekend you want a 24 hour wan show how about four day wan show dan if once the saturday deals rolled over you realize we would get flooded again right

Starting point is 03:43:28 yeah i mean the server won't crash now which is pretty impressive so we're basically just screwed forever i i got two more potentials here okay let's keep going sure hi dll happy holidays loved your video about the new thread ripper why. Why do most review videos on YouTube not include the Sapphire Rapids W series even though many of them are in the same price range? A couple of reasons. Number one is that Sapphire Rapids W is not a direct competitor for Threadripper. It's a direct competitor for Threadripper Pro which AMD didn't sample and basically is only making available to media through system integrator partners. We're hoping to get our hands on some Threadripper Pro at some point, but right now we don't

Starting point is 03:44:13 have access to it. So comparing Xeon W at its very different pricing tier to regular Threadripper didn't make a ton of sense because the same customer who might consider a Threadripper would absolutely not consider Xeon W. Now, with that said, we did include consumer chips, and I think it's fair to say that the same customer who might consider a consumer chip would also not consider Threadripper because it's outlandishly expensive, but that was Threadripper's traditional competition, so we opted to include it.

Starting point is 03:44:42 If we were to do a review of a threadripper pro it might make sense to include sapphire rapids w except that sapphire rapids w is a piece of so any serious person would not really be considering sapphire rapids w by the time threadripper pro comes out so the only reason to really include it would be to demonstrate how far ahead amd is of the competition which i don't think needs to be proven because the competition for amd is amd at that performance tier um and i i'm being a little bit unfair to sapphire rapids w it's not a piece of it's just not competitive um it was it was somewhat interesting if it had launched when it was supposed to but it was so so far behind and i do think intel has some interesting stuff on the roadmap for hdt

Starting point is 03:45:33 and for workstation but sapphire rapids w is old news it was old news when it launched and it's a it's it's kind of a cool platform Like the fact that you can overclock it and the fact that you can get some crazy performance out of it is awesome. But the pricing is just, who's buying this? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Hey Linus, how are your cats doing?

Starting point is 03:46:00 Do they sleep on the bed? No, they generally sleep in in although like kitty beds and like kitty uh like towers and stuff that we have all over our oh no i shouldn't say that uh brownie and dash often sleep in my daughter's bed uh but they don't sleep in our bed even when my kids are like staying at their grandparents or whatever they're just they're uh they're super into the bunk bed they like being on cats like to be up high yeah and if they can't be you know up high with their person in the bed then they will be up high like at the top of the stairwell and they'll not even bother going in the bed they're not going to hang out in mine and yvonne's bed

Starting point is 03:46:33 it's not high up enough i'm not entirely sure i know where to take this now what do you want to do the number of incomings is still going up i think we're at a record for quantity what do you mean oh why is that surprising well no i i mean it's still going up at a higher rate than we are dealing with oh yeah well we can't like i'm archiving we can't really yeah is that working i don't know maybe i don't think so either yeah i think it actually officially stopped okay we got 1200 merch messages this is stupid it was like hobbling along there you could force it by like refreshing the page and then doing a little bit and then it would stop working you could refresh the page again and keep going and then now it's just it's not like you're showing the dashboard you're not supposed to show the dashboard. Look at this.

Starting point is 03:47:26 And you're showing the dashboard when it's not working. I can't even. Again, we could have fixed it. I decided not to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Conrad did a great job. It's just like, how could Conrad have possibly known that we were going to get 1,200 merch messages today? Well, no, we knew this was a problem. He knew this was a problem. To be fair, I could have just gotten through them faster. It's a skill issue. It's my fault.

Starting point is 03:47:55 It is. I'm taking the bullet for Conrad here. I don't think retooling a tool for two days out of the year makes sense, personally. Yes, I agree. So we're not doing that. But the server survived. Well, that's good. Yeah, that's actually really important.

Starting point is 03:48:10 This is crazy. Yeah, because now there's a huge win. We won't lose like the archive. Exactly. Which is pretty huge actually. So yeah, I don't know. What do you want to do? I want you to consistently not burst.

Starting point is 03:48:23 I want you to consistently be able to type it like, I don't know, 600 words per minute. I mean, that could work. Figure it out. You also have to consistently not burst. I want you to consistently be able to type it. Like, I don't know, 600 words per minute. I mean, that could work. Figure it out. You also have to like read faster. So you should take some speed reading courses. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:48:32 Maybe use two computers at once, one hand per keyboard. So here's the thing is that, you know, they come in waves, right? And so when it was at 200, like I could be on top of it right now.

Starting point is 03:48:42 We were floating at 200 for quite a while. But I can't, the mouse distract distract but as it gets to two hundred as soon as it goes over above like a hundred suddenly I can't deal with them instantly anymore and so going through and being like show show show that's a show show reply show show show there's like one or two seconds between me doing something and there being a response. Yeah. And then I can't, I can't, it blossoms and then I can't, I can't do it anymore.

Starting point is 03:49:09 I like blossoms. That's a nice word to describe a problem. I tried to blossom in problem. I tried to cut it. I like, I turned off merch messages and turned it back on again. Hopefully it would split the archive, but it like, I believe it's Chrome. It didn't do that. Oh man. I think we might, I believe it's Chrome. It didn't do that. Oh man.

Starting point is 03:49:26 I think we might have to call it for today. It has been an absolute pleasure hanging out with you guys this evening. Um, good luck D brand in their lawsuit against case defy and, uh, and Zach from Jerry rig everything. I think we will see you again next week. Same bad time,

Starting point is 03:49:44 same bad channel same perfectly fine dashboard just not designed for this kind of load yeah yeah bye Dan

Starting point is 03:49:58 I pushed the button it has to load 400 merge messages and then squish them into a 13 second outro. Is it struggling? The dashboard's... Oh, it's definitely struggling. Oh, I'm going to push the button again.

Starting point is 03:50:13 Uh-oh. Is it going to work? Is pressing it twice going to make it worse? Double, double outro. We could probably just run it the old way. Although I do want to see it too i want to see it send it happy uh happy 15 year anniversary hey yeah i celebrated by losing a bunch of money like dude just say buy a bunch and i'll push the other button today was a top line revenue exercise let me oh my god hey okay i'm i'm excited let's see i know it should be doing it now so

Starting point is 03:50:53 this is gonna be so oh the queue the queue got cleared so oh did it it must have uh faulted over okay all right say bye again or conrad did something. Oh, no. I think it's bye. He said bye enough times. Okay, good. He did it anyways as an emergency bye.

The WAN Show - dbrand x Casetify Lawsuit - WAN Show November 24, 2023

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