The WAN Show - Do We Have To Move Again? - WAN Show October 18, 2024

Episode Date: October 19, 2024

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What's up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show! We've got a fantastic show lined up for you guys today. Yeah. I forget what our headline topic was so I guess Luke's gonna take it. This is wild. A US appeals court has sided with music publishing giants saying that ISPs should refuse service to users who are suspected of piracy. Someone's gonna get their parents pretty mad. In other news, your vacuum is watching you and

blasting out racial epithets. Oh Yeah, no, it's a whole thing. I didn't know that far. Yeah, no, it's it's it's not good. Oh boy Manufacturer thinks it's okay, but no one else does. Speaking of things that are bad in some ways, are we moving? Uh... Are we moving? We could talk about the feasibility of that. Yeah, also, you can talk to your dog now!

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Oh. That's not the point. The point is that Luke thought this was the headline topic which I find actually really interesting because Well it's interesting to me We've kind of You wanna, should I pull back the curtain and let them know why I thought this would be a good headline topic? What's the point of even having curtains anyway, right? Do they even match the carpet? Like just Not right now

Um, same Wow, this was quick. Um, and goodbye rails. Anyways, no, it just seemed clicky. Okay. It's also like an actual discussion. Yeah, well, that was it? That was your curtain pulling back. Yeah Jeez, it seemed clicky remind me not to camp outside of your apartment with binoculars because I'm not gonna see anything Okay, apparently I'd see some stuff So what I told Luke we could do on the show, what I said we could do was we could go through the exercise of why it's really difficult for us to move because it's been a pain point

for us for basically the last probably three years. Since we got the lab. We've known that we were growing out of this space that we're in right now, which is the old everything, you know, studio, office. So we expanded on the one side. We expanded on the other side. We hit a wall there. There's a neighbor that's not selling, so that's it. This is where we are here. And then we expanded to another unit elsewhere in our complex for Creator Warehouse, who handles all the merch. And then finally we were like, okay, well, this is it. We either

need to kind of separate our operations and have different departments and different buildings, kind of like we did with Creator Warehouse, or we need to consolidate into one gigantic building. And the gigantic building was going to be really, really expensive expensive not just because it's expensive to buy a building but because the building you're gonna get is gonna cost an absolute fortune to build out the way that we do and there just aren't actually really that many buildings at that size is what I said back then oh is the market has softened a lot here in Vancouver. I mean... Remember I'm talking industrial, I'm talking commercial. It's... right? Still. Well let's

have a look. Okay. Let's go through the exercise that I go through every time I'm looking at commercial real estate and I'll talk about some of the things that can be really sort of appealing and some of the things that can be really sort of appealing and some of the things that can be really challenging and why it's so hard to find something that's the right fit. Pete Slauson Like for some context for viewers too, right? Like we have, if you think about the production team for videos, that is pretty fragmented right now. Literally, none of the teams that might work together are actually close to each other. Even if it's writing in labs, you're at opposite ends of the building and

there's a big set of stairs and many sets of doors in between. And it's very likely if you're going through those doors, you're disturbing somebody in some department. So it's like not really that small of a walk. If you're either labs or writing and you're talking to editing. Well, I mean, that's now a 10 minute walk or a two minute drive. How do we solve this? Well, the Lego pieces don't really click together very well. There isn't a lot of office space in the labs building. There isn't enough space in general in the in the studio buildings. Parking is a nightmare at either one of them. It's just like, okay, anyways. Now, in fairness to us, it did look like the best solution for expansion at the time,

because building out something the way that sort of I expect us to do it for our team is really, really expensive. And that adds a lot to the cost of sort of abandoning what we've got here and then consolidating somewhere else. For example, in the lower mainland, so in our area, it is way abnormal, basically unheard of unless you are like a food distribution company to have HVAC in your warehouse. So the fact that we have heat, yes, because you know you can't, it can't be so cold that devices stop working properly or whatever, but having air conditioning in a warehouse space, pretty much unheard of in this area. Whereas all of our warehouse spaces are heated and cooled, so that you know, because we're not really using them in a warehouse capacity and we don't really have like just warehouse people I mean I don't know I say that we don't

just have warehouse people working in them but I honestly I don't think that's a good excuse either I think warehouses should probably be climate controlled sometimes like uh like if you're a forklift driver you might have like a fan mounted on the forklift sure but stuff like that like that, but like that blows. Nice. That was pretty good. Basically what I'm trying to say is I don't really care who you are or how much money you make, you're worth air conditioning. When we have things called heat domes and you're in a big metal box, it would be nice

to be able to cool down. Now in fairness to a lot of the building owners and business owners in the Vancouver area It hasn't really been a problem until probably about the last five or six years Like we used to have like one hot week a freaking summer and so whatever we're gonna install tens Sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of air conditioning for like that one week. No, probably not but We've made the plunge which means that any building we move into, we have to put stuff like that into it, which adds a lot to the build out cost.

So let's take a look and let's talk about, some of the challenges that we run into. So Collier's is one of the sites that probably makes sense to use if you're looking for commercial real estate. Sure. Let's have a look. Ooh, ooh, there's the look at this see this is

what I'm talking about Luke when I would have pulled up this map mmm let's say let's say two years ago that would have been nothing there would have been flipping like this is terrible interface can you guys like be slightly yeah they're so I've always thought like you, you know, if we could go back and instead of making Float Plane, we should just made like Realty software. I know, right? They pay so much for it and it's so bad. It's kind of crazy.

Freaking wild, okay. So this is kind of the area that we'd be looking at. So here's where the office is now. And most of the team is living in, you know, kind of the area that we'd be looking at. So here's where the office is now. And most of the team is living in, you know, kind of these are the urban centers. You can tell from the white instead of the green. Green is like for grass and trees and whatnot. So you're going to have people living in kind of Maple Ridge, kind of Langley, not too many people down in South Surrey, just because that's like the bougie area of the not the

actual city city over here it's like the the bougie burb. Oh wait you mean like potentially like employees or what? Yeah yeah so there's a bunch of people in South Surrey it's just really expensive. Yeah I'm talking about like where people who commute to this office here are generally gonna be coming from. A little bit of Coquitlam, little bit of Burnaby, little bit of like further west, but the more we were to move an office kind of this way into Burnaby Marine Drive or like Richmond

or something like that, the more expensive housing is gonna get. So we have found that, yeah, that too. So we found that this is a pretty good middle ground. If we could be more like here, that might be more better. But okay, let's- You're very nicely close to the highway, just to give some people some context there. This is Canada's only road.

Yeah. This is the Trans-Canada Highway. That's the road everyone memes about when they're talking about Canada. So being close to that is generally efficient for most people. Okay. So let's have a look. This is what's in this area. This is hilarious. The first one that comes up is, of course, the court ordered sale for the aspirational

mall in Surrey. Wait, Newlands is for sale? Yeah, Newlands Golf and Country Club is for sale. What? Dude. Okay. What if we could bring like telemetry golfing data and like what if we made a high-tech golf course? Okay, Luke. And had an office there. Get this. The combined estimated value of Creator

Warehouse, the studio, and the lab is probably in the neighborhood of around 25 to 30 million dollars. Okay. Okay Get this how much do you think Newlands Golf and Country Club is worth it is? 111 acres With 90,000 square feet of building to put this for some context. We're in about 40,000 square feet combined What do you think Newlands Golf and Country Club is worth? That's like pretty nice building and there's like kitchen on site. I'm assuming that has a cost. I'm assuming they're not just ripping that out. I know I'm not gonna look at chat.

Yeah, don't look at chat. Don't look at chat. They're gonna help you cheat! My first hunch is like 350. 350 what? Mil. 350 mil 350 what? Mil. 350 mil, really? Try 40. 40? What?

So what do you think? We move LMG- Let's buy Newlands! To Newlands Golf and Country Club. Wait, how is it actually, is there something going on with it? Dude, I have no idea. Because how is it multiple times bigger than ours? The facilities are like really nice.

Oh man. What? Because how is it multiple times bigger than ours? The facilities are like really nice. What? How is it so cheap? I have no idea. There's that much land, too. So there's like look like I said, there's some stuff going on in the Vancouver area right now. How do you get a hundred and twelve acres? Some of the big money I think is moving- Is it zoning? Is moving out. Okay, so we'll talk about that.

Some of the big money, though, is moving out of Vancouver real estate because of some of the recent changes that the Trudeau administration has made to the way that taxes on capital gains work. So there has been, like, an emergency fire sale of some very high-value assets and there's only so many buyers for a 40 million so for context that's about 30 million US dollars a little less like 29 or something like that Cooled computer right how fun would that be? Gaming PC in your golf cart? We could overclock one of the...

Oh no, you don't do that with golf, nevermind. Okay. I was thinking baseball, like when it shoots the... So part of this is that it does seem like there is a bit of bubble bursting going on. I think that part of it is a demographic shift. So you've got a, because realistically, I'm probably one of the only people in my cohort that is like running a small to medium, you know, like a business of this size. You know, most of the businesses in our area

are run by boomers. And what's happening with boomers? They're retiring, right? So when you retire, you either are looking to sell your business and retain the asset and keep collecting rent from it as like your pension, or you're looking to sell the building, take a big bucket of cash, spend it on, you know, some other crap. Give some of it to your kids, spend some of it on like a lake front property over on the island, you know, whatever. You want the big bucket of cash, and then you keep running the business for your pocket money. Instead of hookers and blow, it's like cruise ships and painkillers. Sorry.

I'm just trying. That's good. Thank you. Or, or you're selling both pieces and you're just like, screw it, this is so much of a That's good. Or you're selling both pieces and you're just like, screw it, this is so much of a nest egg that I'm gonna sit on this nest egg forever. So I think there's some of that happening as well. And. This is zoned essentially for operating as a golf course. A golf course, yeah. And so I didn't think,

because I was trying to think of the acreage, because that amount of acreage here, if you turn that into five-story walk-ups, infinite money. Oh, for sure. And to be clear, there is some development potential. You can see there's about six acres of non-agricultural land reserve. So that means you basically can't do jack with it. Like you could buy a 50-acre farm for less than like a one-acre residential lot in some cases.

Okay, then not quite. But the point is that this agricultural land reserve land is worth functionally nothing compared to compared to, you know, something that you could actually build residential or build industrial or commercial on. There's a whole lot of other red flags here. Landmark status? Oh no. What does that mean? You don't want anything with status. You don't want heritage status. Fair enough. Landmark status. I've heard of heritage status. I don't know. I don't know what landmark status is. I don't care.

I don't want to know. That sounds terrible. Basically, it means there's red tape that you're gonna have to jump through if you want to do anything other than sit in the office there and run a golf course. Okay what'd you find? What'd you find? Historic place. I haven't got anything specific yet but the first Google brings you to historic place which I'm assuming is essentially the same thing as heritage status. Yeah you don't want you don't want any of that. You don't want any part of that. Okay so we're not buying a golf course because you know

well it's stupid basically. What else we got? What else we got here? Okay, so yeah, we're not buying the the city block in Surrey that's been rotting since the 90s. We talked about that last week. You're gonna find a lot of stuff that's for lease, and the thing is leasing, yeah, it's an option. If you can afford to buy though The fact that we have owned this has saved us Literally Literally, I've liked that approach. I've supported that approach the whole time literally millions of dollars Because your landlord in the time since we bought the first three units we paid a million dollars for three units

One of those units is now worth about 1.1 or something like 1.2. It's essentially quadrupled in value, which means that if we had leased it, our rent would have quadrupled, putting money in the pocket of our landlord, when instead we were able to invest that money in our own equity that we can now use to cross shop something else. So, if you can afford to buy, we were able to invest that money in our own equity that we can now use to cross shop something else. So if you can afford to buy, I'd like to buy, even though with that said, the market is not going too great right now. But sorry, one sec.

Lomak and Fulplinchats said we pay half a million dollars a year for our business property in Port Kells, for our lease of our business property. Yeah. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of freaking money. Half a mil. And the thing about commercial leases is they are way worse than residential leases. Like, and I know, residential rent agreements and lease agreements can be brutal. They can be so burdensome for the renter, especially if you live in an area where you don't have ample protections. But commercial?

Whole other level. They're what are called triple net, which essentially means that you pay for your rent and they get to advertise that lease rate, which is going to be per square foot. You know, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of like 11 to $18 a square foot, depending on sort of what you're looking at. Let's say 10 to $20 a square foot, you know, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of like 11 to $18 a square foot, depending on sort of what you're looking at. So let's say 10 to $20 a square foot. Then you have something called additional rent. What's your additional rent?

Go ahead and ask me. What, yeah, what is that? Is that like power and water? No, you pay your own utilities. I have genuinely no idea. Me neither. It's whatever it is. I just pass through to you whatever property tax I pay, whatever building maintenance I might incur. Now, I as the landlord have to pay it up front. So if the building needs a new roof, I pay for the roof. But then what I do is I pass the expense along to you,

and you pay me back yearly in installments for that roof for my building. That's how commercial works, baby. So, yeah, commercial leases. Absolutely brutal. Apparently, additional rent can go up by any percentage Yeah, so additional rent is used to circumvent the maximum percentage increases for rent If they can't increase the base rent, they just increase the additional rent by any percentage they want so it could be This is obviously not real but it could be like 300% because they're like we need it to make up for whatever. Yeah Yeah commercial commercial leases. I also I'm just like googling this stuff I don't know if there's a hundred percent true or not. Don't do this. It's surely time says never sign a triple net lease

You will not find a lease in the Vancouver area that isn't triple net and that's that's even now even now that things are A bit more of a buyer's market. I think our vacancy, last time I looked at the report for it was under 1% real vacancy because some of the vacancy is not even real. It's like it's fake because it's vacant now, but it's just pending. Yeah, it's absolutely brutal. So you pay the base rent, property taxes, building insurance and utilities, as well as other operating and maintenance costs. The landlord assumes no cost other than structural repairs. And structural? That doesn't mean roof. That means like the foundation. Essentially, unless the building collapses into the sea, they are not responsible for anything. And that whole-

And you're paying the insurance by the way, to cover if that happens. The whole other operating costs thing is where you're getting killed because they can define anything that way. Other operating costs could be, I don't know, the landlord decides to pay himself $40,000 an hour. I don't know, who knows?

Or they hire trades that are like their buddies to do any of the work, pass that along to you. That's not their problem. Yeah, so it's a whole thing. It leaves itself obviously glaringly open to abuse, but that's the system we have. Cool. All right, what else we got?

Okay, we've got residential development Park is for sale brother. What is that? It's it like Willowbrook like wait the shop wait what like the shopping center not Willowbrook mall But we're like right across from it Willowbrook Park Willowbrook Park is for sale the whole thing 200,000 square feet of retail what I know right 90 million dude and the number of court ordered sales that I've seen recently

freaking wild Mayfair industrial going on, so this is- All people are running out of money. Yeah. So interest rates have been high for a while. A long time. And it takes a while because your mortgage is gonna be on two year, three year, five year, five year renewal term, right? So- So if you were on a fixed.

Mm-hmm. So in many cases, these properties are owned by people who are using them as a land bank. Essentially, they're just parking their money in an asset that, unlike cash, isn't going to just inflation rot itself into oblivion. Theoretically, you know, land, gold, crypto, I'm not endorsing any of these particular assets, but typically assets are, as long as they aren't hyper volatile ones, can are a safer storage of wealth than just cash because there's nobody actively trying to deflate the value of it.

So what's happening is all of a sudden if you don't own the property outright, like if you're just own the property outright, like if you're just hoping that your rent is gonna cover your mortgage while the asset appreciates, that calculus, just like for many residential owners, is changing the second that you renew your mortgage and you're not getting essentially free debt anymore. So this land bank might be appreciating,

although in the case of Vancouver, as I mentioned, the market's softening, so it maybe isn't appreciating. It's either not appreciating so much or it's just stagnating. And now it's costing you way more than you thought it was, so you're sitting here going, okay, well, there's no upside to this. Let's sell Willowbrook Park.

Which should be clear, that's an outdoor mall, yeah? That's the one across the street? Yeah. Yep. So it's not, some people were like, LTT mall. It's like, yeah, I don't think it would be as interesting. Yeah. Yeah, not so much.

This one's kind of interesting. You'll find a lot of the good land has been kind of developed. Sectioned off in a way. So what's left as development opportunities is gonna be a lot of these like super weird shaped sites. Yeah, this is a good shape site Four acres though of it are encumbered by BC Hydro easement So you got to watch out for you got to watch out for easements

Because that pretty much means two-thirds of this BC Hydro, which is our power monopoly, needs to be able to drive on and access essentially. Yep. So that one, yeah, probably not super appealing. Okay, what else we got here? Okay, development, office units, and this is not gonna be that relevant to us. Yeah, residential residential residential property type and stuff

Use the filters tech man sure I'll use the filters. I'll use the filters. All right, let's get you know, what let's uh, Let's look at let's look at office too. Why don't we look at industrial in office? I'll teach you towers Linus tech towers. Oh Why don't we look at industrial in office? LTG towers, Linus Tech towers. Oh, paved and fenced yard area. Oh, I can lease a yard. Oh yeah, you're welcome. I'll just pay your mortgage for you. What else we got? Oh man, this is far. This is really far.

Also small. Too small. Brand new industrial facility in Port Coquitlam. This is too small. This is only about the size of the lab. So if the lab was big enough, then we could do that. So even now, you can see with all of these options available to us, there's really not that much that would actually be suitable for us to move into.

Unless you just, yeah, make your own town. Dude, we don't want to be on NSS Island. Dan's given the mm-mm. No thank you. No, you don't want to be there. No thank you. A, it's really far. B, it's like the traffic.

Burn your nostrils out for the rest of your life. That and it's like the kind of the old industrial like crappy island. It's like a... Lots of sulfur passed through there. Any of you guys play Anno? Anyone play Anno? Anyone play Anno? Okay, so they put all the stuff that contributes to less beautification of your island. You know, you move it all onto like-

Steel smelting, pink plumes. Yeah, steel island. That's Anasus Island, essentially. The rug of Vancouver. You just push everything under there. Yeah. Okay, we can actually change our listings to just things that are for sale

to kind of narrow things down a little bit. Basically there's not actually that much. And part of the problem is that there's a big industrial park further down, like down here in Campbell Heights. That's pretty far from any population centers, because like I said, most people are not living in South Surrey So people are mostly living here and they're living here and they're living here

So the farther down south we go the more challenging again, so Campbell Heights is down here There was one that seemed kind of interesting but it keeps as you're scrolling around it keeps I'm sorry the quad No, no, no, no, it was scrolled down. It's not that mall again. Is it? No, we're not buying that mall No, no, no, it was scrolled down Quarters sales right here I don't know where you were looking at the time. I'm so sorry Luke. I'm not sure maybe you'll see it There is there is kind of an interesting one in in Port Kells, so that's up in this area. So it's kind of a sister building to the Smash Champs Badminton Center building. This is

too far. Dude, being right next to Smash Champs would be sick. I would love it, but the problem with Port Kells is that it is... Best lunch breaks. ...crazy expensive. Oh. Crazy, crazy expensive. Way out in Delta yeah why do I even why do I even have Delta on the map okay let's get let's get Delta out

of here we don't need to see anything in Delta yeah I think that's about it I mean is there anything else you want to look at you want to ask like why not that one because I'll be happy to oh is it this one 192 business center it wasn't but let's look at it sure yeah. Yeah, we can look at 192 Business Center So this one is very similar to Smash Jams Pretty nice brand new building, right? Pretty sick. Okay. Let's have a look. Look at that up to 50,000 square feet It's 32 foot clear ceilings lots of power 200 amps.

Woo, we'll get that high efficiency LED lighting. It's brand new buildings, man. Really nice, there's some very nice to haves, but there's a big problem with brand new buildings. You notice something here? They talk a lot about when it's gonna be complete and how many dock and grade loading bays you've got and how close it is to highway one okay how close it is to the

airport ah okay so here's our problem how many parking stalls do we have yeah this is very common with new buildings they just don't put enough parking at all. Because you sell the building based on the square footage. That's the calculation that everybody is doing. But the parking stalls don't count towards square footage, so developers, and you know what, part of this is honestly probably a good thing because less parking, less cars, if people were riding their bikes or taking transit more, that would be awesome. I can tell you right now, not a whole

lot of that is happening here. It just isn't. So part of it is good aspirationally if we were using more public transit, but the reality now is that that would accommodate maybe a quarter of our company right now and My understanding don't quote me on this My understanding is that BD the developer of this property worked out a deal with the city Where they didn't have to account for any street parking in their development. So they were able to effectively build right to the road, like right to the travel areas of the road. So while in the building we're in now also has inadequate parking, probably about the same ratio like a new building would

have because they want to maximize the square footage they can sell. Ours at least has street parking, it's not ideal. Nobody likes walking trudging to the building through the snow or whatever. But it's fine. But we have it. It's doable. Yeah. At least there is somewhere to put your car. This you'd be you'd be parking probably in the neighborhood of like five to six blocks away. Which if it's anything like Smash Champs, which I actually did have to pace out because we were trying to figure out what parking would look like for a LAN event, for example. So at LAN events, if we can get the city on board at Smash, which by the way, oh, we can

talk about that. We submitted our package to them this week. We gave the city our package. Did you know? We did. Was it well received? I think so. Nice.

I think so. I think they were... You asked them? They admired it. Was it good for you? So we gave them the package. We could talk about that a little bit more later actually. I'm pretty excited to talk about Whale Land. But if it's anything like Smash, it's brutal basically.

It's fine if you're coming in once a quarter for an event. But if you're commuting every day and you're like hiking from your car, you're gonna need like an electric scooter in your car just to do the last leg of your commute, which is a little ridiculous. So that's the problem. There's a video upgrading every one of my employees cars with like a electric scooter storage. Sorry, keep going. The older buildings will have more parking, they'll have more yard space. Yeah.

But they will lack a lot of nice-to- haves that are going to need to be upgraded that are going to cost money. The newer buildings are built with the new meta, which means you get a lot of more up-to-date, nice stuff, good power, good LED lighting. They're way more efficient in terms of keeping in heat and keeping out cold, that sort of thing. Which is money. But they have no parking.

What else we got here? We don't have to do this much longer if you guys are bored. Underground parking. Okay, so- I find this stuff interesting. Rooker asks, what about underground parking over in Float Plane Chat? There's very little of it here.

You know why? No. Well- Is it like the water table or something? What I would, okay, so A, I suspect there is something to do with that, but I don't know anything about the actual engineering of it.

Sure. What I can tell you is that the way that property values have skyrocketed here in such a short period of time has changed the calculus for underground parking in a big way. So it would have been not that long ago that underground parking didn't make any sense here. It's really expensive. It's it's it's the last quote I got was about a hundred thousand Canadian dollars per stall and

that is going to be somewhat dependent on what kind of a building you're building and like whether you would have had to like dig A big hole anyway versus if you're digging it just for the express purpose of putting cars in it But pretty much until land values went to the mooned here, it made way more sense to do the suburbia thing and just sprawl your parking lots. So what I suspect is we'll see a lot more of them in the future, but they don't really exist here, at least not now, because it didn't make any sense.

The land was not worth so much that it was worth digging into it in order to park cars in it. exist here, at least not now, because it didn't make any sense. It was, the land was not worth so much that it was worth digging into it in order to park cars in it. The only thing you'd see it for was apartment buildings generally. Yep. I don't necessarily know why, but that was the thing. Yeah, Schraff2k says, you can always add nice tabs, you can't add more parking stalls. You can! Yeah, RD Raff says, rooftop parking. Yes, yes, that is technically possible, but you're going to have to re-engineer

the entire bloody structure to hold all the cars on the roof. So that's going to be requiring some budget. A minor cost. Yeah, some budget. Just, you know, have a program where a certain percentage of the employee base gets free Ubers to work. I actually kind of like this one. It's really close to home. I've seen this before.

But part of the problem is that while it does have 100,000 square feet of building on it, I don't think- Is that a train? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the rail. I mean, okay, look. Okay, let me get to that, let me get to that. It has 100,000 square feet of building on it, but those are the buildings.

We ain't using those buildings. No, this is what we call in the biz a tear down So that would help you know with mitigating train noise is you could you know double insulate your walls or whatever else? Like you could you could actually solve it. It won't solve it, but it would do a lot but the cost of this because you're essentially buying $100,000 worth of buildings that you are going to then wrecked, makes this just not make any sense. I don't even think they have a price quoted on this one. I might have asked at some point, but I can't remember. But yeah, this one's, yeah, interesting. But unfortunately, unfortunately, what's also cool about this one is it's over the 196th Street border, which means that we'd be eligible for more film and production services tax credits.

I suspect whoever's selling it is hoping that whoever buys it wants the buildings to just store stuff from the trains in so they don't need to be nice. Yeah, unfortunately, that's not me. So get wrecked me. Yep. Yeah, someone asked this. And I can think of some reasons why this might be rough. But there is there are examples of this around the area, but empty land. Yeah, there's not much. And a lot of what is a lot of what's empty land is ALR. So you'll see it, you'll look at it and you'll be

like oh yeah we gotta look how many buildings we could put here what what if we made i mean there's Clarkson's farm it's doing very well what about a server farm what if we had line oh what if we had Linus's ding it ding the thing you have to ding your own thing what if we did Linus's farm what's like what ding the thing. You have to ding your own thing. What if we did Linus's farm? What's the minimum we would need to farm? It could be fine. You can do things like chickens and it's like whatever. Six pigs or something?

It's less that how much minimum we would need to farm and it's more how much maximum other things could we do there. We couldn't have a production studio on a farm because that would devalue the production studio zoned land that somebody else bought before. Also, pretty much all of our farmland in the lower mainland is floodplain. And I don't know about you, but I'm not super into buying things that are going to be underwater soon, or could be underwater

soon. And we have had some very significant floods here. Our only road was wiped out for a substantial amount of time because of basically a lake that we un-laked and then it decided to re-lake itself. It's fun when things relake themselves. Yeah. Breweries on ALR with their own hops have issues with the ALR. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know of a not small amount of people in BC that are aggressively skirting ALR rules. And I think if someone from the ALR

just took a little drive around a lot of places in BC and cared at all, a lot of people would lose their setups. So it makes me care less when it feels like more than half of it is being abused. And it makes me want to do it ourselves. I get such a kick out of the gigantic mansions the Omega mansion on farmland with no farming going on yeah ever like this is Oh, we got him going we got him going here boys. Here we go. Here we go At least my biggest thing is like you should at least fucking attempt. You should at least try

Put something there. Why is it just open grass field? You don't have horses. There's no f***ing horses. There's nothing else. You're doing nothing. How do they get away with this? I know the whole flip. I've heard the stories. I know the flip of you bring an outside company to plant some junk and then you have them also come pick it, and you make zero dollars off of it. But the whole thing is so that you can have your stupid, probably disgusting-looking, terribly designed building on this plot of land in the middle of nowhere that you live in and do nothing else and probably don't see anyone because you're xenophobic for some reason. Anyways, um, I hate... Anyways, um... Wow! But it's all just it's all a joke. I've also heard that a huge

percentage of that crop just gets thrown away. Mmm. That makes sense. Because they're just growing whatever. They're not growing based on what we need. They're growing based on... And it's not being properly treated it's just being planted and then pulled out of the ground at the end of the season. Right, yeah that makes sense. So like it's a lot of it's junk like it's just it's this clear obvious insane charade and there's parts of bc that you can literally drive around for a very long time where you're just going mansion with no farm, mansion with no farm, mansion with no farm, mansion with no farm for like ever. It really makes you not surprised when you drive around farmland in BC figuring out that there's more corruption in BC than like practically anywhere.

Because you're like, I wonder where do all the people live that have all this corruption? And then you drive around what should be farmland and you're like, oh Oops all mansions like okay All right, yeah Good chat. I'll relax. So anyway, we still have our ear to the ground and I suspect I'm talking as much to our staff As I am to our viewers at this point. We still have our ear to the ground, but it's a challenge. Taryn sent me one actually the other day that looked pretty cool. It's a little far from my house, which I'm not a huge fan of.

Move. More videos. More videos. Well, it would be far from a lot of people. Move. More videos, more videos. It would be far from a lot of people. You'd have to set up your new house. I really don't wanna move. Here, let's see if I can, oh wait, not this one. No, this was me. Free content.

This was me sending him the stupid mall. Think of the free content, dude. Let me see if I can find it. Oh yeah, here we go. Oh wait, five North Fraser away. Honestly, it looks pretty cool. One of the big problems is like the really good solutions are going to be so far out. Um, and then they've, they become bad solutions for other reasons.

Oh yeah, that's right. Relocating the whole company. Okay, hold on. You asked about empty land. Yeah. That's a big problem for empty land. Is that it's all really far out. I know I've seen some locally, but it's probably like residential or something.

Smash champs was a completed building when we got it. Think about how long it took us just to do the tenant improvement. Oh yeah. If we're building a building It's like two to three years before we will actually move into it. Just you spin up a new channel minus building tips lbt I

Clarkson's farm it I can't find this for some reason what if you don't even hire a contracting company? What if you are the contracting company? What if you sorry? What if you don't I got a concrete mixer we could do that in a weekend let's do it let's do it we've got a laser level in logistics it'll be fine you figure it out yeah we'll figure it out well all the walls are just made of conduit Linus said he likes conduit we'll just make it out of conduit you never have any problems running any cables no might be a little loud no you put insulation like in between the conduit in the oh my god we're figuring it out this is why your CDO all right I am I am sending myself I'm sending myself the PDF here we go what if you make a crypto coin called apples and then you mine apples?

Oh, that's not bad. ALR farming? I like it. Nice. It's nice. Okay, here we go. All right, here's the brochure. Yeah.

Whoa. Wow, I mean it looks really nice. 106, thousand square feet. Looks like parking all the way around the building. Is that correct? Look at them parking stalls. Are we backing a golf course? Wow.

Wow, you just take your lunch, you go play some golf? You don't need to buy Newlands when you're right next to one. Right? We should be live. We're live. Guess who's back, back again. Shady's back. It's really windy here. Yeah. Okay. YouTube is not kicked in. Flowplane is kicked in. Okay, hey. My YouTube's not

in. We're not sure what happened. A switch might have died, but, um, or- And the power went- Or, big BC corruption. Yeah! Might have not liked us talking about someone heard me dissing their farm mansion he shouldn't grow any you're shouldn't have done that boy all right anyway my hundreds of millions alone here's the here's this place I earned this fair and square with cocaine and fentanyl deals here's this place that looks like it would be a pretty sick. It looks fantastic. Pretty sick place to hang out. Looks great. I mean that look at this. That's sick. Look at this presentation room. Wow. Look at this presentation room. Look at this meeting room. Look how

professional. Look at that. Isn't it beautiful? Loading bays. Okay. So what's wrong with it? What's wrong with it is okay? So number one is it is anywhere from 50 to 100 percent farther away from me, which I don't like Sucks to be you yeah, what else is wrong with it? It's way farther for you, too I yeah, I will move it's in Burnaby. Oh, you're not gonna move to Burnaby I Did once yeah, and how was that? Burnaby Number two it costs about double what our what our holdings are worth so

Don't cough it up Really Tax write-off. Yeah. Yeah easy easy solution. This company is buying a building It's you buying a buying a building. So like, you're gonna have to cough it up either way. Well, yeah, but no, the plan is to sell what we have. It's to trade, not to- We're trying to get something better. Well, yeah. Cough it up a little bit.

Not necessarily. I don't think we need more space than we have. No, we do not. It just needs to be in one roof. We do not use our space very efficiently. So... To be fair. We do our best.

Yeah, and it's been a growth over time and do things by necessity type of thing. If you're building something from scratch, you can know what you need. When we don't know what we need and we're just trying to make things work, stuff just kinda happens. I don't know.

Like what we're sitting in right now was our neighbor and then was the employee lounge. And now, and then was inventory? Or were those flipped around? I think it was inventory and then employee lounge. Yeah. I'm not sure. And now is Wancho set because you just. I don't know, things just happened.

You have to move the puzzle pieces around in order to make everything fit together So no, I don't think that we need more. I don't think we need more space we just need a better planned out space and so a 100,000 one space a hundred thousand square feet is a lot. The other issue with this one is this I'll show you this. These two words. That means that... No, no, what that means is that it's leased already.

This is not priced for owner-occupier. So even though it only costs... so it costs only twice as much. It's closer to the city, which theoretically should have more value. It has a ton of parking. It's on like a nice big lot. And it's only, and it's, it's two and a half times as much space for only double the price. But that's because we can't occupy it. So whoever's there is going to stay there. And I would just own a building for my personal portfolio. LMG couldn't actually move into it. So there's always a deal breaker. It's a bigger challenge than I think.

Well, literally not being able to use the building is a pretty big deal breaker. Yeah, there's always a deal breaker. Can you ever talk to the tenant? Can you be like, yo, are you planning on staying here and stuff? Commercial leases, on the one hand, are sort of brutal for the person who signs them. Financially. Financially because it's triple net. We talked about that a little bit earlier. But remember how I said that they're like way worse than residential? One of the things that's like, I guess, worse about them or like more hardcore about them,

there is more- Can you like not kick the tent it out? You cannot break them. There is no like, what if I can't make rent? Or like, what if I need to renovate the building and kick you out or whatever? Like essentially, there's more paperwork for a commercial lease than there is for a residential sale. Essentially, it is done.

And I don't speak for every region necessarily, but here? Here. It's done. Yeah, that's it So what time is it is not done? For now we take ebikes between the buildings keep looking we we keep our ear to the ground Yeah, we we kind of you know watch what's happening with the market and we hope that at some point We can find something but and and we're gonna look at moving some departments around, to have people who work together more close together.

But it is actually pretty tough. And part of the problem is, like you said, the way that we built this place out piecemeal means that it's not as flexible of a space. Monorail. Monorail, monorail. Okay, anyway. What do you wanna talk about next?

Merch messages. We should put train tracks behind the buildings and then get those old bikes that you can ride on train tracks. Okay. Merch messages apparently. Oh, oh, there's something really exciting for merch messages though.

This is pretty, oh my God, there's so many, there's so many announcements. That's kind of too many announcements, guys. Yeah, we might have to dial back the announcements, but okay, fine. First, DoubleSuite 16 livestream. We just hit 16 million subscribers on the LTT channel, and we're currently planning a stream for November, for our 16th anniversary. How did those things line up so perfectly?

One million subscribers a year. Not bad We're tentatively planning to look back at some of our most watched videos and do 16 builds that we're gonna auction for charity on Java Wow, so that's coming up November 16th Oh, no for November for our six. I don't know sometime in November. Yeah, and now a segue to our sponsor And it says Dan will play a video. Hi, it's James from LTT store. And don't ever tell you don't clean your screen with your t shirt rules because we made a t shirt for exactly that purpose. A regular shirt would scratch since the LTT microfiber t shirt is made of soft fabric loops it won't this is for your car your jar your glasses your phone and it's got this soft cozy jersey fabric interior so you can just wear this puppy all day long as a certified glasses cleaner this works

unlike you it's made by nerds you know the nerds always make good stuff here's out of order If you want sarcastic ads, Riley and James are just like the way to go. That was fantastic. I had not seen that before. The best part is it wasn't satire. It's I've been wearing it the whole show. You didn't even notice the stuff for the people that asked if my shirt was wet. It's a real product.

Now look guys, that funny video aside, I do not want to oversell this thing because it is not up to the regular standards of our regular t-shirts. It is not as comfortable. It is literally made of microfiber cloth material, okay That means it has some disadvantages in terms of comfort which I already kind of touched on but it also has some advantages Advantage number the first it's really warm

Yeah, yeah, it is actually like Uncomfortably warm if you are moving around a lot. It's like a sweater. Yeah, it also means that the sizing and the drape are a little different. A little different than our typical shirts, so it ends up with a very fitted fit. I would say if you like our... this is me wearing our like my typical size So if you like our our typical fit, this isn't gonna be it You could maybe size up or you could just I don't know not by the microfiber. I tend to wear XL's

I put on the XL microfiber shirt. My arms didn't fit. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little tighter because it's not it doesn't This is a 2XL. I normally wear an XL. It't have the same, it doesn't have the same stretch, you know? But, but, here, okay? Let's do, let's do a little experiment, okay? I got a, you know, usually my face is greasier than my hands, okay? So, you know, got the, get that, get that face grease on there, okay?

Oh, stop it. Okay, okay, you guys see it pretty, you can see that, pretty greasy, right? Yeah. Huh, okay, watch this, boom. can see that, pretty greasy, right? Yeah. Okay, watch this, boom. I don't even need to, I don't need to go find a cloth nowhere, I don't gotta. I did notice like, it seems like the microfibers, I guess,

are like a little shorter maybe than in some cloths. So it might take a little bit more work, but it works. She's perfect, look at that. She's completely like new. Isn at that. She's she's completely Like new not beautiful not a beautiful thing. So It's as much a meme as it is a real product. It's one of those will enjoy it It's one of those products that came about as sort of a like What if we what if we do this? Yeah, you do it for April Fool's. No, let's just do it I asked to make sure we didn't order too many and it sounds like that's probably true it. I asked to make sure that we didn't order too many

and it sounds like that's probably true. Oh no, yeah, no, we didn't order that many of them. Which might mean, order now, you might not get one. Yeah, you might not get a lot of opportunities to get your hands on this, but that might be okay. So anyway, if you're into it, if you- I will say- It's a conversation starter, I'll tell you that much.

I mostly forgot I was wearing it. I don't think it's's that bad Elijah in the chat said I gave him sensory issues your Experience may vary. Yeah Yeah doing this doesn't feel great if I was gonna go in a jog in this thing. I think I'd be pretty upset Doing this with your arms is not awesome Have you tried that? Yeah, the elbows yeah, because it's. Yeah, the elbows. Yeah. Because it's, you know, it's microfiber, right? So. You'll like, you'll like rug burn yourself. If you want to know what it feels like, go find a microfiber cloth, you know, one of

those blue ones, and, you know, put it on yourself. Yeah. You know? But anyway. Yeah. Um, why don't we take a little break from announcements and do a couple of merch messages. So the way to send a merch message is to just go to an lttstore.com, put something in your cart, you'll see a little box for a merch message, and once you check out, it'll go to producer Dan, who will forward it to us or put it down there,

or who will reply to it himself, or who will send it to someone else internally that show you what it looks like when he curates them for us. Sorry, DigiBrat said, can we get it with a Star Trek logo? I said like right when I sat down in it, I was like, wow, it looks like a Star Trek shirt. You can put your own Star Trek logo on it. Yeah. We are not, we are not licensed by Paramount or whoever

the heck to, yeah, that's not going to happen. Yep. Then again, you never know if you don't ask. True. But it would cost way more. Yeah. you really want it. You'd like guys. There's a reason that licensed merchandise always sucks It's because the money goes into licensing the brand rather than finding the finest microfiber rags It's incredibly expensive. Yeah Hit us Dan sure. Hey DaleLL, loving my precision kit already. Used it to fix my switchblade yesterday. Linus, what's your favorite genre of music to clean your house to?

Oh. Uh... Oh, I don't know. I... Man, I always struggle when people ask me about my taste in music because It's pretty Random, um, and I know like everyone says that everyone says like oh, yeah, I I listen to like

really random music but like No, really. So I got some some maroon five here. I got some Tupac. I got some Michael Jackson I've got some ghostbusters Ghostbusters theme music like no, it's like actually like random like you could just throw a dart. It's You know got some Annie Lennox in here like I don't know I'll listen to Shania Twain, you know or like Like Taylor Swift's first album. I'll listen to kind of like pop country. Okay. I'm not into much country country I came I came across. Oh man. Oh

What's the song called song pillar seven pillars of something I came across these guys of awesome No these guys. Seven Pillars of Awesome? No. Those guys? Isn't that a thing? Sabaton, Seven Pillars of Wisdom. I came across these Sabaton guys when I was playing Beat Saber the other day and it's like freaking awesome. The first thing that I thought when I heard this song was like there's no way that Adam Sondergaard from the writing department does not listen to these guys because it's just like it's like the most it's the most Adam thing ever so yeah I don't know random legitimately random yeah I'm fairly all over the place as well well I thought

it was sea shanties with you no that's for the birds yeah I know but I mean that's what you're listening to while you clean the house for better for worse than it does play a very often percentage of the time yeah it'll be that or like some local radio station just cause like the radio clock thing that we use to make sure that they have music just like plays radio stations, but I never listened to it. I don't really know what's happening or care. Uh, yeah, I don't know. It I think it'll kind of depend on like the vibe, like is I'm, I'm like speed cleaning. maybe like metal or something just go

for it let her rip no metal I don't really do I don't really do metal I don't really do like like vocalists I don't really find it appealing that's probably my one thing yeah I think the metal that I listen to doesn't have as much of that. I'm not a hundred percent certain, but I think so. Um, all right, Dan hit us. Sure. Well, I just had my second born last Saturday. Any tips to make it easier on the first born? They are both boys. So I want to build that brotherly bond. Um, communication, you know, be honest, talk about, you know, what's

gonna be good, talk about what's gonna be not as good. Always make sure you only have one of anything and make them fight for it. Okay, he's being a bit of an ass about it, but he's actually kind of not wrong because if you don't teach them to share, they're not going to learn later. So, we go out of our way to buy one of things. In fact, you're going to see this. We've got an upcoming video where the kids asked for a karaoke setup. I am not a karaoke guy. I don't. Pete Slauson Bluesby speaker on a phone. Jared Slauson I don't know anything about it. But I was like, oh, well, there's an opportunity to offload the research for my child's birthday wish to one of our staff members.

And all I have to do is make a video about it, which may actually be relevant because when I tried to do the research myself, I discovered that karaoke is one of those rabbit holes that's like dash cams Where it's just it's just flooded with Aliexpress garbage of products You don't know which ones get and no reliable information. Yeah, so we kind of came in and we're like, okay We're gonna demystify anyway When I when I kind of have my hands on their eyes to be like a ha reveal I'm like, okay You know how we do that thing where sometimes your birthday present is for everybody?

Well, we're doing that again. And that is something that we do on a pretty regular- That's a really cool way to do it, in my opinion. A pretty regular basis. Like this, you know, is your birthday present, but it actually doesn't belong to you. So another example of that is that water scooter thing, the underwater scooter. I bought that as a birthday present for my middle child, but I made it very clear when I gave it to

her that she got to ride it first, and beyond that, it was for everybody to enjoy. You can get some credit for maybe the idea. Yep. If it goes really well and was like, oh yeah, this is great. He's like, oh, thanks for requesting this or whatever. I don't know. That's cool. But you've got to...

That's it. Yeah, you've basically got to set the ground rules now and you've got to micromanage it. Like, oh man, I forget what kind of ridiculous passive aggressive thing one of the kids said to the other last night but I was just like hey that's rude what should you have said and what do you need to say now you know you need to apologize now like you anyway parenting okay what's next oh yeah let's do another topic. What do you want to talk about? Do you know more? I want to Okay, no, let's do a real topic. Oh, I've wanted to see it the

whole show. Okay. SpaceX. Sure. Let's go. SpaceX literally catches a rocket midair. That's pretty cool. It's actually insane. SpaceX made history during its fifth flight for the company's two-stage Starship vehicle this week, which is intended to take astronauts to the moon in the upcoming Artemis 3 mission. The rocket's first and do many other things to be clear, the rocket's first stage, the super heavy booster, the most powerful booster ever made, not only carried the upper stage Starship spacecraft to an altitude of 65 kilometers or 40 miles above the earth but successfully separated and then it says slowly descended a very rapidly descended

towards the extremely rapidly descended towards the launch tower after a breaking burn which looks sick the 71 meter or 233 feet or some people are calling 19 story tall rocket booster used just three of its 33 engines that's also not correct to maneuver towards the towers massive mechanical arms which clasped onto the booster sort of I can explain that to in a moment catching it in midair sort of the Starship spacecraft itself climbed to an altitude of 89 miles or 143 kilometers and cruised towards the Indian Ocean slowing itself from over 16,000 miles per hour to near zero as it splashed down in the water as intended and it was cool how they did that because

while they didn't catch the starship, it kind of like positioned itself as if it could have been and then went into the water because they were still trying to test for telemetry stuff. So there's some details about this that aren't immediately apparent. Dan and I were talking about this before the show. Do you see the fins? Can you make this full screen? Do you see the fins?

That's not what catches it. The chopsticks or the arms also do not pinch it. When they call it chopsticks, a lot of people imagined that it was grabbing it and holding it with friction or something. That's not what happened. Also, the fins that come out that you can see are not what caught it. There's these tiny little... In reality, they like bigger than a person, but the thing's 16 or 19 stories tall or whatever so it looks insane. Apparently it did use three engines for the maneuvering. Sort of. It also used a lot more of that first, more than that first, and then went down to three. 13 then three, says Shami Heel. That is correct. So yeah,

there's two, again I'm saying little, they're not that little, just in comparison to the structure, they're tiny, you can barely even see them. There's these two little tiny arms that come off the side and there's sections of the chopsticks that actually go up to touch them. So what's actually connecting is very small. And even the turn of the ship had to be perfect. So it didn't just have to be aligned within the chopsticks at all. It also had to be turned to the almost exact right angle and they nailed it. I think I had a better angle of it, but realistically, you should just look it up yourself so that those people get the views. But there's cameras that are closer where you can see those little arms that actually catch onto the chopsticks. That was

wild to watch. Super, super cool. Massive success there. First time they ever tried it, which is insane. And also again, yeah, the Starship itself, while it went into the water and blew up, that was entirely the intention. As is tradition. Yeah. But watching how it kind of came in and positioned itself nicely and then set into the water and then was like, cool, mission complete,

fell over and exploded was wild. They had these little buoys in the water and you could tell it landed in the right spot because this buoy that I don't think they were controlling is just sitting there and it comes right into view nicely. But one of the, if you watch the footage of the buoy, one of the like fragments of the Starship flies and smacks the buoy. So it was like pretty close. But yeah that was genuinely extremely cool to watch and even if you're not super into space stuff,

like this is a mind blowing feat of engineering. Watching something 233 feet tall come flying in at crazy speed and then just catch itself is nuts. I mean, I'm impressed when my little handheld drone hovers. Yeah. You know? That's a lot easier to deal with. This whole thing was, uh, yeah, extremely fun to witness.

I'm happy that it happened. What are we talking about next? What was our announcement topics? We moved? The vacuum. The vacuum, yeah. All right, your vacuum is watching. Over the past several days,

there have been widespread reports from owners of EcoVax robot vacuums who say that their vacuums have started acting strangely, including screaming obscenities at their owners and chasing their pets. As it turns out, these vacuums were remotely accessed by bypassing their pin code, which does not use server-side validation. Once hacked, these maliciously controlled vacuums gave the hackers control of the vacuum and access to its video feed. At least one hacking victim, a lawyer, expressed relief that the vacuum had only been used to broadcast lurid language rather than used to silently spy on the household.

Ecowax, the company, was warned about this issue by security researchers get this back in December of 2023. After security researchers spoke out publicly, Ecovax gave a statement to TechCrunch saying they would not fix the security flaws pointed out by the researchers and telling users not to worry excessively about this. Earlier this month, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation successfully demonstrated that they could easily hack an EcoVax vacuum and used it to spy on a colleague's family without them noticing. This is in part because the vacuum doesn't play a camera recording warning sound unless

it is being accessed from the EcoVax app. Note, this hack was performed with prior consent. This I didn't know. I had never heard of them before. But Ecovax vacuums are some of the most popular in the world, primarily because they are very cheap. Our discussion question here is, should we be more cautious about... and then it just kind of trails off there. That's fine. The team didn't have a lot of time to put together in the notes today. Yes, yes discussion question. We should be more cautious about... I think the the camera flip thing that was

made for the Logitech C920s, I don't know if it was actually made by Logitech or not, but do you know what I'm talking about? It comes in the box. A little privacy screen. I just put all my C920s up that I got for the Land Center last weekend because I finally got around to unboxing them. The newer ones? My original one didn't. It comes with a little plastic clip and it goes on the front and then it's a little flappy dot. A physical little thing? Oh man, if it was a physical little thing... No, no that wouldn't make sense. I'm just not convinced that these robot vacuums actually save any time. Just because they kind of suck? Well, it's they're helpful for me a do it

Maybe it's just because I've never had a house layout that's conducive to using them mine barely is but with the Constant mess that birds create and the actual ease of cleaning that mess up It's nice just having something on routine that'll go through and do a pretty decent job, and then you can do a proper one every however long. But having something go like every day or even twice a day to pick up the seed that they've thrown out of the cage

or little bits of feather or whatever else, whatever else is kind of nice. Okay, that's a fair assessment. I guess for me the issue was just at our old place. There were so many transitions and the sunken living room and the multiple floors and the super complex upstairs layout, like there was absolutely- It really doesn't solve a lot of our problem.

Yeah. It mostly just helps the birds. I mean, there's a lot of people in chat that are saying they're super stoked on theirs, so there you go. And we've worked with robot vacuum companies before that have had very impressive performance compared to the last time that I actually tried to use one at my house.

So it's clear that they are advancing in a big way. It's just that our layout just doesn't work for it. Yeah, I think for us, it's like we take a problem area and make it no longer a problem. So it takes cleaning from this annoying thing that you have to do practically literally all the time to something you can do on a more reasonable schedule. I think part of it is also me just making the mistake

of putting in wall-to-wall carpeting every time. I should have just not done any wall-to-wall in the new place. That was really dumb. But Yvonne and I both like it on our feedies. But then we have hardwood in the bedroom anyway. So like, why did we even... Anyway. I am a wall-to-wall carpet enjoyer, but when the birds were at the vet not that long ago, we did like emergency hyper deep clean and we like borrowed Emma's dad's like deep carpet cleaner thing.

And stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. And went hard and it was gross. Yeah. Carpets are gross. They're kind of not sanitary. It's like, wow. There's a lot of stuff coming out of this.

They're fine if you just never check. It's like most things in life. Yeah. Anyways. We should check out our sponsors. Yeah. Sorry, Dan. I'm freaking out here.

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your viewing experience. So whether it's for business or pleasure, MSI's new 49-inch curved QD OLED monitor is here to excite your eyeballs. Check it out using our link in the video description. your eyeballs. Check it out using our link in the video description. Alright. Oh, we're supposed to do Merch messages. Alright, Dan, hit me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, DLO. My seven-year-old lately has shown interest in computer science, especially cybersecurity, considering getting him a PC to game on and explore his curiosity in the field. Any suggestions on how to safely, or the operating system? How to safely the operating system? Sorry, punctuation.

How to do so safely? How to do so safely? Or what operating system they should use? Oh, I'm looking at, I don't know what they mean by this. Throw them at Linux Young. Windows' parental management tools are still terrible. Like they are sort of a disaster. Arch or get a new kid.

Like you can set them up. Yeah, give them Arch and then the parental management tools is they won't be able to do anything. It just disowned. That's kind of interesting. And if they can figure out how to do it, then. Then I guess they're older. Maybe, yeah.

They'll be ready by the time they're older. Maybe, yeah. They'll be ready by the time they're 18. Maybe they just... Okay. If honestly, if they're super into computers and stuff, I don't think giving them the like easiest thing is even probably going to be what they want. I would throw them at some form of... How about Ubuntu?

Could we at least give them something that can kind of do some stuff out of the box? Maybe there's seven. Maybe recommend them to mess around with no GUI modes and stuff. There's seven. Yeah. There's seven but they're expressing behind the curse in cyber security. Arch console to a cyber security kid. He's going to feel like a hacker. Remember this is from a parent. You know, parents will will see their kid like do you want to do cyber security like get their hands like covered in drool and like smear it On a piece of paper Interested in art like you never know right? I'm not saying Eric is like that. I'm just saying it's a possibility There's seven so like I think it should at least have a GUI sure like don't be like that

Yeah, you could just install it himself There's seven, so like, I think it should at least have a GUI. Sure. Like, don't be like that. Yeah. He could just install it himself. Yeah, or do it with him. Yeah, teach him how to install a GUI. Yeah, that's fun. That sounds like it. There's some games that feature hacking elements.

I can't remember the name off the top of my head right now. It's pretty old, but it was cool. I don't remember the name of it. What was that? Blue screen. Uh. What was that, like, educational, educational like platform thing? Uplink, uplink, thank you.

I loved that game. Yeah. Still do. Uplink could be fun. Hacknet, yeah. There's a website that is good for learning cybersecurity stuff that I also can't remember the name of right now. I'm just going to use chat for You know everything I guess

Hack the box there we go. What was that one that? What was that one that came with a raspberry pie that you would build oh? And it had like a bunch of like sort of coding friendly Games like it had Man can oh yeah, I can't can oh can oh sure yeah And I think you can just get the software Like I think you can I mean don't quote me on that. Are they still around separately getting them into the scratch programming language?

Scratch is in my opinion genuinely a pretty solid way to learn basics of things Cano world is really launching in partnership with AstroSafe and FIN. Okay, so that's something. More? Yeah, hit me. Yeah. Some of my favorite content was the crazy multi-monitor 16k gaming type deals. With the lack of SLI, are projects like that even possible?

How do we push hardware peripheral limits? Actually that project did not use SLI. It used quadro multisync. So it had four individual cards that were driving the monitors individually and then it had a separate fifth sync card that each of those cards was linked into that handled all the synchronization of the image That's why it was a little little a little wonky that to my knowledge still kind of exists, but I

think the challenge for us is That we want to find new things to explore. I would also say resolution pumping was like a big thing back then It's not really a thing now. We all agree. It's kind of stupid Yeah, like we're definitely gonna do a video gaming in 8k on the 50 90 or whatever when it comes out, but Do we need to game at 16 K? I don't know Maybe not that that one dude who spends his entire life modding a Cyberpunk will care? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So, like, okay, like we, like one of the things that people love is us using, you know, wacky fans to cool things, right? So we had that one where we rented those like industrial fans and we hooked them up to that cooler master case with like a plywood duct and it like blew the top of the case off. That was great. And then we had the one where we hooked

up that like bigger like almost looked like a jet turbine fan to a computer and ran it off of like LiPo batteries. But what you'll notice about those two things is that while they both had fans connected, there were sort of different things that we could explore. So the second one ended up being more about the LiPo batteries and less about just the fan, you know? So we want there to be something new for us to talk about. We did another like wacky fan video just now where we used a turbo to cool a computer, which is,

Alex and I sort of agree, maybe the stupidest thing we've ever done. But the difference, the difference is that what makes it not jumping the shark is that there's new learning outcomes. Okay. We discuss what a turbo is. We discuss why a conventional one might not work and why we might want to use an electric turbo or a supercharger.

Exhaust fed? Yeah, normally, but computer, I mean, it has exhaust, but not like that. You just pulled your car up. We talk about the challenges with the high pressure and therefore high temperature of the turbos exhaust air, or I shouldn't say exhaust, but it's output. Cause when you say exhaust in automotive terms, it sounds like the exhaust's exhaust air, or I shouldn't say exhaust, but its output, because when you say exhaust,

in automotive terms, it sounds like the exhaust, not that, like the output from the turbo, the fresh air from the turbo. So the air is actually hot, so then we discuss intercoolers and we use an intercooler, and anyway, it's a really great video, but it's more than just taking a big fan and hooking it up to a computer, because we've already done that,

and we try not to do the same things over and over. Does Alex like traveling? Like does he go to Computex? I don't remember. I don't think he was here. I think Alex usually does. I don't know if he did Computex last time but he does CES I think. There's a there's a maybe possibility if you guys are interested maybe maybe I haven't actually asked anyone maybe that you could do. I think Alex did do Computex this year. Fanless computer build, but in a wind tunnel. I'm trying to cool it that way and see what happens.

I'd be down. There's another one I wanna do. I wanna put a computer in a hyperbaric chamber. Oh, nice. I wanna know what like denser air does. Yeah, why not? I don't know. That's cool.

I love stuff like that. We also still have pending, actually, maybe I don't know. That's cool. I love stuff like that. We also still have pending... actually, maybe I shouldn't talk too much about these because these might take us a while to execute. Never mind. The ideas doc is like, we're not out of ideas. We got more ideas. I wonder what the oldest thing on it is. I wonder how old it is. I have no idea. I'd have to go back to like every revision. I did my oldest idea. That's not bad. You know what could be kind of fun too

is like my three worst ideas. And you do like, you have the writers vote on like what the three worst ideas in the doc are and you do all three of them in one video. You just do like, I don't know. I'm kind of down. Anyways. I'm gonna send that to myself.

Sick. Let's go. I'm gonna send that to myself. Sick. Let's go. Yeah, what are we on? We're on topics? Okay. Sure. This big sex catching the rocket. We already talked about that. I fanboyed enough. I could go on for hours. It is what it is. Linus struggling with his stream. Oh. Linus is having streaming issues with his VR PC. Yeah, so I did a VR stream last night and I don't know what it is about this machine,

but it was perfect for a long time. And now whenever I stream I get this like stutter in VR. And I don't feel like the load I'm putting on it is super crazy. I'm running an index, so it's high resolution, but it's not up there with the best headsets these days anymore, not by a long shot. And I'm streaming at 1080p, you know, six megabit. But when I use NVENC, oh, one of the things that is a little bit challenging is I'm using live for like a virtual avatar. So it has to do some compositing. But like, I don't get it because CPU usage sits around like 40%. GPU usage is what it is. And if

you're using NVENC for encoding, it should like be fine. But I think I'm gonna have to, I think I'm gonna have to rebuild it. Elijah says, I promise it's your CPU. Your GPU is trying to comp and ends up with more overhead on it. It happens with my old computer. That's very possible. When is the first time you ever overclocked something?

I have a 3,600. So it's not a super high core count. When is the first time you ever overclocked something? I have a 3600 so It's it's not a super high core count machine So it's possible that I'm that I am running into some some CPU issues. DSP latency spikes What now DSP latency spikes can often be caused by Nvidia drivers It's the audio and causes hitches like that or little pops and that comes. It's not audio.

No, the audio is fine. No, no, no, no, no. It like, interrupts the system badly and like causes really weird issues like that. Interesting. And this is what, an Nvidia driver issue you said? Most of the time it is Nvidia drivers. You can use something like, I don't know, there's tools out there. I think it's called process, no, DSP, latency monitor or something like that.

I have another theory. Latency monitor, that's it. This Windows install. Oh yeah, I mean. Has made its way all the way from Windows 7. Okay, I didn't know that. Through Windows 8. I didn't know that and I was gonna say start there.

Through 10, through 11, it is now 11. Did you 8.1 it? I don't know that and I was gonna say start there. Through 10, through 11. It is now 11. Did you 8.1 it? I don't remember. I had never intended to Windows 11 it, but one of my kids just clicked okay, upgrade at some point. Upgrades are good, it's free. And I was like, okay. It has had at least three different motherboards

So I may just need to reformat my computer. Yeah, it's it's my VR machine. Yeah, so I Think from the original video where I built it. I just like grabbed a drive and it like already had windows on it. So It's probably from a completely different system originally. Oh yeah. And then it's had multiple different motherboards. Oh yeah, 100%. Nice. Yeah, so that might also be it. Yeah, I will say I threw fake shade at Elijah. I will say Elijah was the only person

to set the screen saver in the young people try Windows XP video the way I would have done it. I couldn't believe. that video was extremely fun and deeply infuriating at times the CD dual case oh yeah I know that actually killed your soul look I talked about I talked about this with Luke after if you don't know how they work. There's a spine on it, there's a spine, there's a spine. If you don't know. There's a clear pivot point.

You open at the opposite end. Luke, if you've never. Close your laptop, how do you open it? I don't know. Even some cardboard boxes can be a little bit challenging even though you can clearly see which way it's supposed to open because of the way it like comes over and in or whatever.

I don't think to someone who's never seen one before, I don't think it's immediately obvious. Even though I know how to open them, I have struggled with CD dual cases, especially when they're brand new. Have you tried to crack it open? Well, yeah, like I know the techniques. Like a nut? But I'm talking about like my whole life.

Like at some point in my life, I didn't know that. And like when they're brand new and they're like, they're kind of sharp and the first time they were ever put together, I don't know, maybe they were warm still. They can be a little cracky. They can be a little hard to get open. The seams can be a little hidden.

They can be a little tough. There's also a very obvious hinge on one side. I'm just saying I get saying, I get it. I get it. But it was a little hard. Yeah. It was a little hard to witness. I do think, and I noticed today actually after we talked, I swear I didn't steal it, but

I noticed one of the top comments, the second comment from Daniel Owen Tech. Daniel Owen Tech, okay, cool. Is now check if they can use Windows 11. Most of my high school students have no idea how to do anything on a PC that isn't in a browser. And watching the video, I was actually surprised. I think my rose tinted glasses were like cracked or something.

I thought it was gonna be harder for them to do these things. I forgot how much it would prompt you with like, oh you tried to do something, what do you want to do with these things? You inserted a thing, here's all your options. I forgot how much that was. Windows XP was pretty sick. Yeah. Yeah, it was definitely a turning point. I look back at it more positively since watching this video. It was a turning point for Windows for sure, Cause 98 was, it was simple, but you couldn't do that much.

Like 98 was really easy to use. I was not stoked on the move to XP and how like over complicated the start menu was now and stuff like, what is all this other crap? I just need my programs. Like what, you know, like, and obviously my recollection of this is pretty spotty, given that that was a hot minute ago and I was quite young, but I remember not having a problem using 98SE.

And then XP was like, the only reason that I kind of got good at using it was because I was at a stage in my life where it was fun to just like, you know, explore and spend the ample free time that I had because I didn't have a job, you know know playing around with it. It just was fun that way. It was it was fun. I think it actually was just fun. I think it didn't get in your way. I think it had a lot of ease of use that modern operating systems have you know maybe not as much as the most modern ones but it had a lot of ease of use built in. It wouldn't get in your way, and you could do a lot with it. It was very cool that way.

You know what else is cool? We should do a couple more announcements. Yes, I wanna see the shirt. A lot of people have been requesting a smaller version of the LTT backpack. Here it is. The commuter pack. A backpack built to support your day every day.

Your day organized. Pockets for all your tech and essentials, ready for you to access in seconds, no more rummaging. Our most portable backpack yet, with a 20 liter capacity. Built to last with durable water resistant reprieve canvas, a rivet reinforced top handle ykk zippers and a certified validated

dual layer bottom That's hilarious product development final specifications may change But you can sign up for it at lt store.com slash pages slash commuter dash sign up and I am really excited about this thing. Are you gonna cut into it? No I'm not it's not necessary. We already did that. We already did that. This is it. It can hold... I love this pocket. It can hold a shocking amount of stuff considering how much smaller it is than the OG backpack We have external water bottle holders on both sides

So if that's it was more of an ergonomic choice than thinking that anyone needs to carry two water bottles So people do sure but it was more to do with depending on which way you like to swing your bag off to grab your water Bottle I wanted to have the option on both sides, but I use this side for my Precision screwdriver kit and also get this so you can see that the bag there. Yeah, see the pocket there, huh? There's a little hidden zipper here. I didn't know Okay, pretty cool, right? Yeah, I didn't know about that. Whoa! Pretty cool, right? I didn't expect the hidden pocket to be that big.

I didn't expect you to pull a mouse out. Oh man. You're gonna need a second hand because it wants to be more streamlined so it tries to close a little bit. Like the OG, we have our RFID protected passport pocket back here. I believe... Oh no, it was going to be accessible from both sides. I killed that. Um, because I didn't think it was necessary. Uh, it's got a sunglass pocket. I have a ton of stuff

in mind right now. Sunglass pocket in there. It does not include a fancy dangly thing made by Linus' children. Oh yeah, no, that's not part of the bag. And then it's got kind of a pocket of holding, just like the OG one. So I've got a bulky sweater in there. I've got a tech sack in there to help with organization. That's about it, because it is a significantly smaller bag.

So that sweater- You have organizer pockets after that. Took up the whole thing and then In here, we've just got you know, kind of a variety of pockets including one for the screwdriver I've got a little magnetic thing on here to kind of you know Keep them from getting all flappy doodly and then just like the original bag. It's it's tech first, right? so These go all the way down which they didn't in the initial revision

because of the interference with the water bottle pocket, but we found a new way to construct it so that they can. And we've got one, two sleeves, so you can have like your laptop and your tablet or your big laptop and your smaller laptop. And then we've also got space on this side for your one or two chargers. Or a mouse or something. Yeah, chargers and then a mouse or something yeah or a charger and a mouse or something like that and then we've got this cannot get the angle right on this we've got a black zipper pocket right here so you can you know put some some low profile things down there as well

the ergonomics are really good I would say it is as good if not better than the original one especially if you have a smaller frame like your body the frame of your body and it's going to be have we announced pricing I don't know uh given that the team hasn't I'm not gonna say not in the blurb that we have and I don't see it on the site right now personally was there a blurb sorry did I hit all the points in the blurb I don't see it on the site right now personally was there a blurb sorry Did I hit all the points in the blurb? I don't know neat well anyway ah? Cool, not yet. The official answer is not yet the official answer is not yet. Okay, well It's gonna have a price it will

Yes, it will have that LMG G G slash commuter Dan do you mind throwing that in all the chats yep all right Okay, fine. Do you want to get to see it? Yeah, all right our Who just did that really darting all over the place. I'm trying to copy the link. Yeah I mean, it's not like it was 12 characters you can eat. Oh my goodness Okay, this one's for all the floaters out there. Yesterday, Sarah went live on Float Plane, designing a shirt with suggestions from our Float Plane subscribers.

The result, a design that Luke has not yet seen. No, I was busy working. I didn't get to see it at all. And I have also actually not seen. Oh, cool. So as far as my understanding goes, it's a bit of design by committee. So there was

input from the audience but she did the actual design work and you have to be a flow plane subscriber and then log in with your flow plane account on the store to be able to buy it. Oh okay uh so Dan if you want to copy this one as well uh okay I- That's so sick! What am I looking at here? It's a flow plane with a little dino hanging off it, I think. Oh! That's actually so cute! Wait, is it on the back? Do you wanna zoom in?

Yeah. Oh, okay. That is adorable. Hee hee hee. Actually, you're like, the wings broke. Oh, he probably chewed the wing off on this side. Oh my goodness. That's my assumption Hold on someone says they see bread bread. I don't see any bread. I don't see any bread

Did did she hide bread in it? Is there hidden bread Dan? No way. I don't know. I was doing my job bread plane What are you guys even talking about? I think no is it made of bread. Is that why there's a bite out of it? baguette wing? Is it? Oh, because you ate it? No, I think it's the little the little marks like a baguette. Is that intentional? That is probably a stretch. Yeah, guys, I don't know about that. What little marks? Yeah, those little marks there. They kind of look like baguette marks. No, I don't think so. That don't think so, you guys. That is such a reach. That is a reach, indeed. The planes landing, like the pontoons were supposed to be bread? I don't know what you guys are talking about. Anyway, this is fan fiction now. Thanks, Float Plane. Enjoy your exclusive t-shirt. It is only available to Float Plane subscribers, So if y'all want to leave a merch message

This is your chance. LMG.gg Slash FP merch 10. Well, yeah, we sold out of them. Yeah, we don't get to wear them. Sorry Luke I guess I'll have to have some shirts that aren't tolls Sorry Luke, yeah, they're so nice, dude Sorry, Luke. Okay. Yeah. They're so nice, dude. Oh my God.

Every day that I don't have a clean one or I'm like too lazy to do the laundry again, cause like the t-shirt one, the non-blog sleep one, it's probably, I had it for like two weeks. It's probably gone through the laundry, no joke, like 10 times. And then I went to, I did my thing where like, you know, I try to let the audience buy stuff before I request it

They're gone Yeah Sorry There's some long sleeves left but the short sleeves they only have short Medium large extra large extra extra large and triple extra you mean small. Are all gone. Not short. Oh, right. Yeah. All good. Yeah, I bet.

Specifically not short, actually. Yep. Sorry about that. I'll get them someday. Okay, the last announcement is, do you still need your original LTT backpack carabiners replaced? We have contacted all the backpack buyers, we think,

but we want to call out our form one last time, if in case there's anyone who missed it. All you need is your order number and just go to LMG.GG slash carabiner form to request it. It'll be closing soon, but if you miss the deadline for the form, trust me bro, we still got you. You can message support. We know this took a long time. We've learned a lot, but whether you own a backpack or not, we hope you feel that we've honored our commitment to do right by our customers and we have finally delivered carabiner replacements to everybody with an LTT backpack. Speaking of things that aren't right...

Oh no, this. Dog specific chat bot, an AI powered pet caller called the Shazam band I wonder if they're gonna get sued uses sensors and speakers to allow your pet to talk to you out loud in a human-like voice the caller comes with 30 different voices with associated personas such as Southern Belle and Mafia Boss. Cool. It's unclear how much insight the Shazam band actually has into the emotions or thoughts of the animal wearing it.

Spoiler alert. Big old guess, but zero. Yeah. Judging by its demo, the device appears to use some amount of situational cues, such as what the animal is currently doing or the behavior of nearby human beings to inform its responses. Oh good, so it's spying on us real good then.

Yeah, it's, oh, every part of this is perfect. The caller optionally includes GPS tracking and text notifications in case the animal gets lost or winds up in danger or starts following random strangers around talking to them, which would be crazy. The base version costs $495. What? Are you kidding me? The enhanced version costs for a Bluetooth speaker with junk AI attached to it. Are you kidding me?

The enhanced version, it probably needs a subscription too, I don't know. The enhanced version costs $595 and there is, yes, there's optional subscription fees that cost 200 to $300 annually after the first year. So do you want to have a entirely fake relationship with something that you only have in order to have a real relationship with it? Wouldn't that be cool? Wow. Do you want to be actually completely not in tune with what your dog is thinking or feeling

at all? Just imagine. Yeah. You know? There's been a bunch of this type of stuff. Like there's been this trend where people try to use chat GPT to like talk to their future selves and they're getting like really emotional over it. And I'm like, that's not not you that's not you at all you're talking to a robot please stop oh my goodness

anyways citizen bean says personally I use dog psychics this may be a product for Dennis some people do actually go to psychics to tell them what their animal is thinking. Yes. This would be cheaper than that in the long run. And probably just as accurate. Actually, probably not even because if you actually know anything about animals at all, you can probably tell something of like what its attitude is. I guess you would bring it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Might I make a suggestion? The dog psychic has high animal handling skills. What if the dog is the psychic? I mean it would have to be for the psychic to form a link with it. Where was the hyphen? Oh. Can I make a suggestion? If you have $600 to burn, there's always the Luxe

backpack. It won't talk to you you unfortunately. It has no AI whatsoever, but there is one review for it, and Buddy is stoked. So there you go. It's got a whale on it, okay? I just didn's kind of- I actually didn't know that. That's kind of sick. Um, I- I love that so many products in the store just have so many reviews. Like the screwdriver and the water bottles and stuff have an insane amount of reviews. And then that backpack just has one. Um, we only just started shipping them recently. Oh, okay. We've been taking orders for like a year, but it took a long time to get it done because of all the issues with our backpack supplier

Anywhere has over 8,000 in all seriousness the Luxe backpack. I think we have like three left in stock Because we over ordered compared to what people pre-ordered but not by that much And then it took a lot longer for us to get them and we kept taking orders So by the time they actually arrived, I think we only had like 10 extra. So if you want one, actually do order it right this second. If you don't want one, then I don't know if we're ever going to make one again. So yeah, cool. Good chat. This guy makes a $600 backpack but won't build Linus town I know right well maybe if people bought more

$600 backpacks I'd be able to did you ever think of that Luke? That's where you have to store your right ID card is in your $600 backpack I mean it makes perfect sense to me you get randomly ID'd on the street. Someone asked how many lux backpacks we sold and this seems like the kind of intel that would be really stupid to like talk about publicly but I'm curious so I'm gonna look and then I'll decide after I see it if I'm gonna disclose it. Nice. In other news I'll do a topic while you're looking that up. The FCC makes canceling easy because Lena Kahn is a boss. Okay this is actually the coolest thing ever and I love it and every country needs to do this and I don't say that that often.

A lot of stuff she's doing is sick. The FCC has released a final version of its new click to cancel rule which requires companies that offer subscription services to provide methods of unsubscribing that are at least as convenient and easy as their sign up method. A service you signed up for with an app needs to allow you to cancel via app or online. A gym you signed up for in person needs to allow you to cancel by calling or online.

The new rule will take effect in around six months. Very cool. Very cool. Very nice. Discussion question is, can some subscription services even survive without leveraging the ADHD tax? This will hurt some of them for sure. If for no other reason, then because this law comes in, I think people will pay a little bit more attention. They'll go like,

oh, I wonder what things I'm subscribed to now that it's easy to unsubscribe and then go, Oh, I wonder what things I'm subscribed to now that it's easy to unsubscribe and then go We can help. Yeah. Oh, yeah. How is the how is the the Twitter block function change? Not in the doc I totally slept on that this week. I even went through and was looking for stuff to add. I just Totally forgot about it. I don't know Basically people you blocked can see your stuff now. They just can't interact with you. Is that right? The funny thing about that to me though this is where this is where I'm a little confused about it, is I don't understand what difference it makes. It doesn't make a difference at all.

Because block was not like protected tweets, it was just... They can make another account. Yeah, you could have another browser tab that's logged into a different one or isn't logged in and then you could see it there. So I... Yeah, this being the straw is very confusing to me. The MCG said Blue Sky got over half a million users. And I've seen a bunch of people...

Okay. Bots? No, go ahead. No, I don't know. No, I don't think that's actually the issue. I don't think that's why people are migrating to blue sky in drugs right now. I think it's actually more to do with that They updated their terms so any art you post on X just belongs to them for AI training. How is that? Not a bigger story. I don't know

Okay We're just used to it by this point. Yeah, so there's no opt-out anymore if you post something on there. It just like Belongs to them to use what if it's already on there? I don't know that should be super illegal Well, I mean there's a lot of things that should be super illegal, but it's true. I don't know. Sure. Yeah. Yeah crystal Deep said it's not just that it's the ai crap. I hadn't heard of that at all I had only heard of the the blocked thing Yeah, the block thing honestly doesn't, that seems like kind of fundamentally not understanding how the block function worked. Like if you're sort of mad about this change, it just doesn't,

I don't really understand how it makes a difference. Apparently Lux sold out. It did? Oh, balls. Tim said Lux sold out. I was going to order it as my Christmas gift to myself next month. Well, I was thinking about that as well. You were? Yeah. Merry sh**y Christmas then, I guess. It seems like something you might do actually.

Might've. I had to think about it for a second. Might've been for somebody else, I don't know. Oh? I haven't quite decided. That's why I've been dragging my feet on it for so long. It's a lot of money. It outsold Luke Newcomb, I think.

Oh. Let's see if I can find it. Yeah, we. That was a weird decision that was done. I wear it like every weekend. So does Emma. I wore it. I thought we had told you this story.

I wasn't planning on leaving the house one day. Emma's car was at the shop, suddenly ready to be picked up. She needed me to go get it. I went to go get it. I didn't think about what I was wearing. I was wearing the Luke Nukem shirt. I walk up and it's this like random tire shop. And there's one of the worker dudes just sitting outside on a tire, just chilling. And as I walk up he's like Luke Newcomb, eh? And I'm like, I looked out and I'm just like, uh... Yeah? I mean, even I don't wear shirts with my face on them. Oh, it was so brutal.

The name, yes, but the face, really? Gilmore D says, I'm wearing my Luke Newcomb shirt right now. Hell yeah. The thing was, they had a bunch of different color options before they decided on one, so they gave me like those ones basically. So I have like a bunch of this shirt that I can't wear any of.

Yeah, so Luke Newcomb sold, let me see if I can find it. There's also like a reference from one random obscure WAN show that never came back. And then we sold shirts on it like weeks later. It made no sense. Sarah brought me over to see the draft of the design. She's like, I have no idea what you want, but is this in? I'm like, yeah!

I mean, yeah. We sold 129 Luke Newcomb t-shirts so you personally own probably like a solid 4% Of the total Luke Newcomb stock of the world we didn't sell those I know okay, but I mean you but yeah Yeah The thing you said stock energy So Luke Newcomb shirt was also outsold by meme face sequin pillow Oh, that's actually sad outsold by

Got fish pullovers Outsold by red dad hats you know if I knew we were gonna do it I could have like kept the meme going for longer outsold by sweatband sets kept the meme going for longer outsold by sweatband sets I don't take fault for any of this all of beanies crushed it yeah even our even our ABC book character plushies outsold the Luke Newcomb shirt unfortunately I like I'm pretty sure I've actually bought some of those. Yeah, those are pretty nice Okay, so if you guys are curious, we ordered 240 Luxe backpacks and they are now sold up So not like a smash hit or anything

But when you compare the revenue number to other things that sold, you know 200 200, 250 units, it's pretty substantial. Yeah, it's like order 50 more. I don't even know that we'd be able to bring it back, because the only reason we were able to do a production run of it was because we took pre-orders for it, which we kind of learned our lesson because some people toward the end were getting kind of irate about waiting so long for it, but you know how we are, we're not going to ship it until it's ready. Yeah, yeah. But the only reason we were able to commit to a production run of it was because we took

pre-orders for it, and then we would have to produce like enough to meet a minimum order quantity, we wouldn't want to take pre-orders for it again, so I don't know how we'd justify it. What is the rarest LMG merch item? The rarest? Yeah, I don't know if we could technically know because we sold stuff before There was that patch hoodie that you did but that was not necessarily like Yeah, I mean that's a one in like fluke kind of chance, right? Yeah, the the ones that like had rare patches on them I mean some of the some of the Lambo stuff where we've only done 70 minus 1 units That's that's pretty rare. We don't say that anymore

What 69 units nice? Okay? Yeah, I didn't know I'm It's like are you avoiding this for a reason I wasn't sure um Thought you'd be in Drake for a second any more than 92 more than 92. Pretty much, pretty much anything that we, pretty much anything that we order, we have to order hundreds of. So some of the pins, some of the pins in the, in the like RGB. Yeah.

I was wondering like maybe going all the way back to like the, the original logo shirt, like way back, or the keep on digging shirt. Oh, the like me in a box coming out of it like one I think only like four of them exist or something like that from the cafe press store that we set up back when I was at NCIX. I ruined mine very recently actually. Oh no. I washed it and just the ink had not aged well and it just completely disintegrated in the wash. Yeah bummer All right, what are we supposed to be talking about Dan?

Are we supposed to be doing topics? Oh, you have five and a half minutes left until eight o'clock Twitter blocks blocking is in the is in The dock. Oh, hello. Yeah. Well, I totally I totally missed that great work everyone who worked on the dock on that yeah, so that My bad some users are calling this a win for stalkers while proponents Argue blocked users could already view public content. Yes Okay, no, we need to talk about The US a US appeals court has sided with music publishing giant Sony Universal and Warner against ISP Grande Communications, concluding that Grande purposefully ignored customers who were engaging in copyright infringement and should have taken action, up to and including

the termination of the accounts of some of these customers. Another ISP, Cox Communications, is attempting to appeal a similar ruling to the Supreme Court. Cox argues that copyright infringement notices sent on behalf of record labels aren't reliable and that forcing ISPs to disconnect users based on unproven piracy accusations will cause great harm. A Supreme Court brief filed by multiple ISPs argues that the ruling against Cox imperils the future of the internet by exposing internet service providers to massive liability if they don't carry out mass internet evictions.

It further argues that this decision potentially harms other residents at the disconnected address who may have had no involvement in the infringement Your parents are gonna be so mad this appeals court ruling is Crazy Crazy There are that we have not even touched we have not even scratched the surface of the potential problems with a ruling like this.

Like imagine being an educational institution. You're the IT admin and now it's your job to have an absolutely bulletproof system for making sure that nobody downloads any copyrighted materials or what your internet goes out? Because the ISP is not going to want the liability. Do you have any idea what kind of damages they seek for every single instance of copyright infringement? The numbers are ridiculous because they don't go based on like that movie would have been 20 bucks or whatever. Like it's crazy. They 10s tens of thousands of dollars per per instance right so ISPs are gonna be if this if this happens for real ISPs are gonna be

trigger freaking happy to Cut off anything that looks like it could possibly be anything that could get them in trouble This is freaking wild dude VPN oh yeah, hey Dan. Do you have our PIA affiliate thing? that could get them in trouble. This is freaking wild, dude. VPNs. Oh yeah, hey, Dan, do you have our PIA affiliate thing? It's automated, unfortunately. Oh, it's automated? What does that even mean?

It appears during Banner After Dark, randomly. Oh. I just mean, do you have the link? Do you wanna put it in the chat? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. Yeah. I thought you wanted me to put it on the screen. Yeah, now's, look, a VPN is not a silver bullet

for like cyber security or whatever. That's not a thing. But, but it will make it so that they can't tell that you're downloading pirated stuff. It will do that. So thanks, Dan. Yeah. Sick. Dan, can you also throw the carabiner link in?

There's a couple of people asking about it. Sure. Just to make sure they get it. Thank you so much. You're wonderful. All right. Should we after dark it? I'm running on- Let's after dark it. On little time.

Let's do it. It's after dark time. I just tasked Dan with like two things though. So how's he gonna switch us to after dark mode? He would have to be some kind of I have magic man. Oh, I did Doing what a guy what a guy what a guy is a little harder And then we do see and sorry, he's on it I'm trying to do things. Let's watch him work You've ever had this many people judge you at once?

Yeah, I've been to a family reunion. Got him. And is it magenta? I actually haven't looked, there it goes. Nice. Are you gonna do it? Thank you. Nice.

All right, that should be the links and everything else. Let's get through some of these. Now we'll put them away cool Hey land Duke and dinus saving for a commuter backpack question for the small boss as a serial fan Have you tried milk bar in Vegas or LA? It's not an alcoholic bar. They have cereal milk ice cream I'm gonna have to try that at CES this year I have not heard of that milk bar cereal bar. Yeah, that sounds genuinely more interesting to me then But you can just get them at the grocery store like meet your grain. Oh my goodness the second

I said cereal bar. I was like this is gonna come back to me That can free you're going to CES this year? Uh, oh yeah, I gotta go. Yeah. It's just a thing? I think it's just a thing. I think that, um, I think that I tried real hard to not have to go and nothing against the team, but I need to go.

He's gotta go. I gotta go. Like on purpose? Uh, g'd day, LLD. I have a new job as a senior FS dev. I assume that's full-stacked. The tech department is less than a year old and doesn't follow best practices. How would you suggest I push for change? Leading by example?

Most tech departments that are a year old aren't going to follow best practices. Also spoiler alert, most tech departments that are any amount of years old aren't going to follow best practices. Yeah, try to lead by example, do what you can push for certain pieces of change that you think are going to be most impactful. Work with your your I don't know your managers, whoever else in there to try to like, there's this, there's this thing that like, if you want to get stuff done, um, propose solutions or options. Yeah. Um, don't just complain about stuff and keep realistic expectations. Yeah. Cause your manager probably has 10 trillion things to do because most companies don't have enough. They, I find most companies either don't have enough or they have like about seven times too many. There doesn't seem to be a lot of like right in the middle. Um,

so try to, yeah, if you, if you're like, you know what, I'm going to look up a few different good options for doing this thing. I'm going to a, B and C these options show the pros and cons show the one that I vote for. And I'm going to hand this over. You're very likely to get something done, um, compared to like, I don't like, you're very likely to get something done compared to like, I don't like me or just not saying anything and hoping that it gets fixed magically. That's a real fun one. I love that. Everybody loves that. It's very useful. It works really well. Stop complaining. But yeah, I wouldn't sweat it too much. It's pretty common, but yeah, moving on.

Hi, DLL, who do you think will be the main benefactor of the newly announced x86 alliance? AMD, Intel, supplier, vendors, or end consumers? AMD and Intel. Actually, I think other members of the ecosystem will benefit as well, just from not having to deal with like a diverging x86. Actually, I think it's kind of a win overall. Industry cooperation and

standardization is probably the only reason that you can even plug the same USB devices, not probably, is the only reason that you can even plug the same USB devices Not probably is the only reason that you can even plug the same USB C cables into Apple and and PC computers like it's Generally a good thing. I don't I don't necessarily know that it's gonna be the the the I Don't think it's necessarily going to mean that x86 wins

forever but I think it will strengthen x86 which in general is good better better stronger competitors means more competition for us means better products for us I'm into it so it's pretty wild seeing Pat Gelsinger and Lisa Sue like on stage together like what timeline is this all we needed was Jensen up there and I'd be like okay I quit I'm done this is this is peak tech industry and it's all downhill from here yeah weird okay cuz you know new colors the weird blue one purple hey L, would the float plane exclusive shirt be a permanent fixture on the store

or is it a limited run? Very short term. Is drop. Yes. Any earbuds you'd recommend? There's a lot of videos on earbuds on the short circuit channel. Yeah, I mean, I love my AirPods Pro 2s.

The AirPods 4s with ANC actually if you if especially if you don't like the silicone tips I was floored by how decent by how decent the ANC was. It's decent, it's solid. I was very surprised by that. Yeah I've heard that from a lot of people. Yeah. The FP shirt is already selling out. Is it, is that even a thing? Is that possible?

I thought it was like a- What? How do we sell it a pre-sale? Yeah. What are you talking about? They look like they're here to me. Oh. Oh, there may be some colors of blanks that we only have a limited amount of. We might be clearing out our olive blanks.

Oh, black large. No! That seems rough. Huh. Maybe we should find out. Cool. Dan, you want to hit us with another one in the meantime? Sure. If team... If possible. Because he's calling someone, I think. Sorry? If possible one for me, he's calling someone. If Teams is so bad, why can't you make your own home chat system? Oh, god. That's a stupid question. I'm in pain. Oh, man, what do I even say?

Um, I mean, there's a lot of- We'll use mumble. Yeah. Nice. Um, hold on. Yeah, nice. Hold on. Hi, Mr. Nick. You're live on the WAN show. Oh, wait, hold on. Why is my speaker so quiet?

Oh, sleeping baby on my lap, so I'm talking quietly. Oh, he is. He is sleeping, sleeping baby. OK, people are wondering about why the dinosaur shirt is selling out because it's a pre sale, right? I would have to confirm. I know we're pretty light on blanks. We have some coming in right now. Ah, OK. Duly noted. Thank you.

All right. Bye. See you later. Have a wonderful. Oh, and he's gone. Well, have a wonderful something, I guess. He'll have to imagine. He'll have to imagine what I'm wishing him a wonderful of. Well, if you want a large, I guess you can get all of... And if you want a double XL or triple XL, I guess you can get a black. And if you want a tall... Look, inventory management is hard, okay? You're screwed black and if you want to look inventory

management is hard okay screwed and if you want to blue so it matches the site I'd like to see you do it better go got him okay we're working on making tools to make it yeah I know yeah hit me down that's kind of all I have for the curated there's a couple more here maybe let's see. Was wondering where the stuff on the store gets stored. I'm guessing you don't have it all on site with you guys. We use a third party logistics company that's actually run by one of my former colleagues from NCIX. It's on Anis' island actually.

We talked about Anis' island earlier. And we actually did a pop-up there once when we launched the backpack. Because it was impractical to move, because the backpack is so large, it was impractical to move a significant number of them to somewhere else to do it. So we just did it out the back of their warehouse. I remember that. I think it would actually be kind of cool to do a Tour of it or something, but maybe not and it's not high-tech like it's it's pretty low tech. I've never even been there I've only been there once for the backpack pocket pop up you like a tech quickie on like

How do you get things and it goes through like the logistics process when you order something? Which is super cool, by the way. Yeah, except that like again ours is pretty low tech Yep Yeah Only there's a way to order something there isn't we know like our blanks our blanks are our own blanks And we don't have a blue one until like we don't have one. Yeah, we can't we can't just like order some we there own blanks and we don't have a blue one. Until like we don't have one. Yeah. That we can't just like order some. There are blanks and we don't have a blue one. Yeah.

But we have a microfiber shirt. And I don't think you want that shirt in blue, blue microfiber with the design on it. Yeah. I also would like the full full picture to be in blue. It's just it's not gonna happen because we don't have blue blanks. We sold 150 microfiber t-shirts today. I don't think our inventory is going to last very long on those.

That is freaking hilarious. You guys are hilarious. You know that, right? Like, do you actually know that though? I seriously wonder how many of them are selling because they look like Star Trek shirts. You think so? They like really kind of do. They really kind of do don't they? Especially with like the way the light kind of catches them like they really...

And the thick black collar. That was not intentional. No I know. I didn't see it at all. Yeah and now I cannot unsee it. And then I was like whoa. I can't unsee it. At least you guys aren't wearing red. Oh damn, I got my, I tried to do the.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, we aren't wearing red, so we'll survive the night. Yeah. I guess I got one more curated and that's probably about it. Hi, LLD Paradox Interactive admitted last week

that releasing City Skylines 2 in the state that it did was a mistake. Do you think this is indicative of a larger intolerance for unfinished games? I think that one was also kind of a unique situation where the original game had changed so much from its original release state that they were kind of in a in a difficult position where

yeah, there were problems, but also one of the biggest problems was that the modding and the modding ecosystem for the original game was so good and so vibrant that they actually like they had kind of no hope of matching the feature set of the new game, but also of the old game at launch, like it was always going to take a long time, but they also like screwed it up by having technical issues and stuff. I yeah, like it's clear they screwed up. I mean, the CEO said as much, but I don't know that if it's I don't know that it's because people are generally less tolerant of unfinished games so much as it's that that was a pretty unique situation I do think though that people don't

understand what beta means anymore oh did it launch in a beta and no I don't think it even did I do think people's expectations of anything they can use are pretty high oh yeah so to fair, companies poisoned that well. 100%. 100%. Oh, Minecraft is in beta for like a decade. Yeah, Insomniac says it's the Sims problem. Every new release is so basic,

it doesn't feel like a finished game until there's a bunch of expansion packs. Yeah, yeah, totally. Civ, to a lesser degree, suffers that. I find most Civ games are better after one or two expansions All right, Demi says there were basic features and functionality missing. Give me my bike lanes. Yeah Yeah, a hundred percent like they I can see where the ambition was in city skyline to city skylines too, but

It's clear that there were blind spots. I Don't know I don't know what they could have done other than just eat it and work on it for longer Sometimes isn't an option Top gear luxe is not coming back For those of you planning on buying for family on Christmas. It is October the 18th. I Just told you we just sold the last of the inventory. Where do you think new ones are gonna come from? This may surprise people. There are legitimately people that this is going to surprise, but the items on our store are not just rebadged AliExpress stuff.

I know, right? The water bottles are rebadges, right? Yep. Yeah. Yes. But even then, we do our own production runs. We don't just like go to the corner store and buy one and then put our label on it. Yeah. So production lead times are long. We have our own lid. But like most of the things that people know the store for are our own things. Our own shirt blank the things that people know the store for our own things their own shirt blanks Screwdrivers backpacks all I can stuff is our own engineering. That wasn't always the case Desk pads and water bottles carried the store for probably like a year and a half two years

But nowadays the revenue is we make aren't the desk pads your own thing That's not a rebrand their own design and they're to our own spec Okay, they are our own custom that wouldn't mean that it's a rebrand then though. Oh Okay, yeah So so it's a we're talking the OEM versus ODM So this is OEM and then the I would say the desk pad is ODM. Yeah, because we gave the design guidelines. Yeah That's its own product. It's probably in between not as much so as a screwdriver yeah no not even yeah not even close different category I know it's like six months

it's still not a rebatch can we maybe get another pre-order says top care like dude if you want something you gotta like you gotta order it I yeah oh man I don't know because it was made by our old backpack supplier who spoiler alert Isn't the one making these oh there goes the water And that my friends is why you close the lid on your water bottle. Hey, we have some cloths I'm gonna be very absorbent. Oh Hey, we have some clothes that are more absorbent. Hey, we've got a Dan. So yeah, we have Well, hey, we have some class that are more absorbent. Hey, we've got a Dan.

So yeah, we have a new manufacturing partner for our backpack products, and I don't know if they're gonna be able to source exactly the same Apple leather material. There's definitely some differences in terms of how we had to optimize the construction for the thicker material, so they wouldn't have that knowledge. We'd be basically doing product development on it again, which what to sell another couple hundred units. I

I don't know if it's gonna make sense and besides I'm sure all the people who actually bought it because you know They were like, hey, this is a thing that I like maybe you make a lux commuter bag I can set it back. I was getting it out of the water Thank you, I guess there we go. Uh, and besides i'm sure the people that did buy it are gonna like knowing how exclusive it is Like it's not numbered or anything, but it's it's pretty darn exclusive Heck you guys, it's not that complicated. What did you even do? Brutal. Why did we even move it?

It's not like the electronics were in the water. I didn't know how wet it was. Yvonne's always like that, like water will get like near something. She's like, oh this is the electronic. I'm like, yeah it's plastic housing, it's okay. She's like, but I'm like, yeah no it's fine. I don't trust all the cables that much. This is true. This is fair

We've had these for a long time all right through some stuff all right top gear all right top gear I will I will ask the team if it's a thing we can do okay. I'll ask oh Top gear no What it just looks so sad! I know, he looks so sad. He's like got like, like tears streaming down his face, crying emoji, like geez, okay. Like, I don't know, man, it's, it's kind of a funny thing, because the number of people that are upset that the flannel shirts are gone, the plaid flannels are gone, and I'm like, dude, they were like, they were rotting in our inventory! We had to blow them away! If you guys like stuff buy it! If you don't like it then don't complain that it's gone. I do think that sometimes we have a really

funny way of handling seasons. Oh dude we don't do them. Because when stuff's done it's done. And it's in and it's in the store. The season for flannels showed up, and now we don't have flannels. 100%. 100%, man. Nope. Yep. Not even lying. Not even lying. I don't know about that.

Alright. Well, hey. Hit the show? Thanks for, uh, thanks for watching. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye! Thanks for watching. We'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel. Bye And so ready for that

Ready for what? Outro came in so fast after I said I'm getting efficient Said they're waiting. Waiting to jump.