The WAN Show - Does What We Do Even Matter? - WAN Show January 31, 2025

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We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week You deep see has been causing deep panic and videos stock is down I mean, it's my, last time I looked at it, it was like 11%, which sounds like a lot, until you consider that Nvidia's worth like two to three trillion dollars. So then you know it's a lot. Then you know it.

Take the punchline anyway, the point is. Got him. We're also gonna be talking about are hardware reviewers just kind of shouting into the void? Like the percentage of gamers that are actually watching reviews, is it significant? What else we got this week? You can poison AI in even more fun and creative ways now. And, uh, Sony removed PSN requirements for four PC games.

I think we talked about them adding PSN requirements for Helldivers and maybe Horizon Zero Dawn, maybe, but they did it for Spider-Man 2, Last of Us 2. You know we do the topic later, right? We could have talked about it right now. It's pretty short. Yeah, but we're not going to. But we have to drag them on. Make them keep watching

Really The show today is brought to you by Vessi Oh do and odd pieces Also by our rap partner D brand and our chair partner secret lab Why don't we jump straight into our? What's the title today? What is our headline topic? Oh does what we do even matter? This was actually inspired by a really cool visual that Paul's hardware created That was awesome showing how the 5080 kind of blows compared to previous generational uplifts from 80 class cards. Now, our review wasn't exactly glowing either. We pretty much

pointed out that it's a bit better, but if this doesn't beat a 4090, the upcoming 5070, contrary to what Nvidia has been claiming, absolutely will not beat a 4090. But the question that, looking at Paul's graphs and looking at the at the at the viewer retention for our 5080 review, and not just ours, but 5080 reviews around the internet, the question that it raised in my mind was, does what we're doing even make a difference? And I'm not trying to be defeatist here or anything, but the 5090 literally sold out in seconds. Well, there was like none of them. Literally instantaneously. This is a 2000... You're gonna have four of anything that's gonna sell

pretty quick. This is a $2, of anything. It's gonna sell pretty quick. This is a $2,000 this is a $2,000 GPU and then the 5080 apparently bots scalped the entire stock for multiple EU countries before the official launch thanks to a leaked distributor link After signing a Zotac 5090 at Micro Center Jays two cents found the found the thing listed on Marketplace for $5,800 later that day, which I find disgusting. They had an opportunity to price it at $5,080, and they went for $5,800? That's outrageous. That is outrageous. It is joke. Either way is outrageous, please, for the love of God, slash S. Nope. You're serious.

And here is a hilarious post that is now gone from r slash PCMR. Oh, it was up before the show. Justifying scalping. Oh, but I'm not bad, because I only scalped one card. So so here's the thing scalpers are clearly getting utterly Detached from reality amounts of money for these things because they wouldn't price these things so high if nobody was buying them Nvidia clearly has zero incentive whatsoever to lower pricing We talked about this in our recent video is now a good time to buy a PC, right?

We talked about how what happened the last time around that we had a huge spike in pricing was the dominant player in the market, and that's Nvidia, noticed that, oh, people will totally pay that much for this stuff. Well, they'll keep the prices high. Whether we're paying tariffs or whether there is, you know, COVID inflation or whatever the case may be, if people will pay it, that's what the

market will bear and that's going to make our shareholders real happy. No competition. And so I'm looking at it going, we spend how many person hours do you think went into something like our 5090 and 5080 reviews? And I'm combining them because a lot of the work was somewhat overlapping because it was the same driver release from Nvidia for both cards. A lot of the testing for 5080 review was done on the 59 review and stuff like that. It completely dominated the output from the labs, from the testers and Nick, and some other people being involved for probably a solid like two, three weeks. Yeah.

And then we had one writer dedicated to it for a couple of weeks, probably more like two and a half. And then there's the, you know, we went to CES largely for information that informed that. Jared Oh, yeah, that's true. Pete Slauson So, I think that counts. Jared I mean, would it be fair for me to say that there's hundreds of hours? Pete Slauson Oh, easily. Jared In those reviews.

Pete Slauson Easily. Jared So, we say, hey, this thing is not really that worth it. It sells out immediately. People pay scalper prices for them. And here's where this thought train kind of led to. I was looking at the number of views on our reviews for these cards. And not just ours, but also from other reviewers around the web.

And I would say that looking at the 5080 and the 5090, the TAM, so the total addressable market, the total number of people that actually watch a hardware review video for a GPU, is probably somewhere between... For the Lamborghini of the GPUs. Either way. Which tends to get more views. No, we sure... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Because we get way fewer views on the cards that people buy more actually. Yes Yeah, so even for the best case scenario the tam is probably somewhere between

four and six million People because there's a lot of cross-talk there will be much more than one video There'll be a ton of overlap because we aren't the only ones who for years have said hey Don't just take one reviews word for it. Go watch all them. Yeah, you can go go watch more than one video. There'll be a ton of overlap because we aren't the only ones who for years have said, hey, don't just take one review's word for it. Go watch all of them. Yeah, go watch more so that you can get multiple perspectives because everyone's going to have

sort of slightly different ideas about what they think is important. And I will say, as kind of expected, this generation was like one of the best examples of that. Yeah. There was a lot of different outlets that took different angles on this. I mean, you pointed out Paul's earlier, if I remember correctly, hardware Canucks did a,

like, let's see it get CPU throttled by using older and older CPUs, different things like. That's been kind of their stick lately, which I thought was really cool. Awesome. So yeah, this generation proved our point better than like literally ever before. So if you have only looked at one, go look at more.

So here's my problem with that. If the TAM, for people in these quite overlapping circles, right, who watch hardware reviews, is somewhere in that, let's say for the sake of argument, that I'm totally off and it's like 10 million. Let's say it's way more. Sure. The total number of-

Well, okay, it almost certainly is because of other languages and stuff. Sure, sure. That's fine. The total number of PC gamers is estimated to be somewhere between one and two billion. Yeah, so like, doesn't even matter if it's six or 10. And, and, and, but I wanna make sure

that we're giving this kind of a balanced discussion, right? Because I think there's a strong argument to be made for micro-influence, like micro-influencers, people who influence their family and friends. They might stay up on everything and watch all the reviews and everything like that, and their friends might not, but they might get the benefit of those recommendations. But even then- So, like, the market is probably like 3 to 4x the amount of people that watch the video. Even then, what's clear to me from these numbers is that the vast majority of people who buy a GPU, who buy a gaming PC, do not read a review.

And not only that, but even out of the people who do, I couldn't help noticing that Aaron, Mr. Who's the Boss, actually has the highest performing 50-90 video. By a decent amount. By a fairly significant margin. And if you want to sort of... I think it's his fit. If you want to reflect on, you know, what the difference is, right, I think it's pretty clear he's got a lot of energy. His style is so good. It's so engaging. And I think, and I think this

one is really key. It's light on graphs. Oh, yeah, there's like barely any. Have you looked, Luke, have you looked at the retention on our 5090 video? No. Okay, check this out. And you know what? In fairness, this is a thick video. We called it RTX 5090 review, RTX 5090, our biggest review ever. So check this out. Out of the people, those millions of people

that do watch a review, this is how many of them actually watch the whole thing. So we had below average retention. Oh, way below. Way below. So the people who actually reached the conclusion, who reached the sponsor segue, is one third of them. Most people didn't get past 1440p and 4k raster. We're below 50% by the time we get to Blackwell architecture and neural rendering. Is this a situation where like we should offload more stuff

to the site? I'm not even asking what's actionable yet. I'm mostly just asking. I think it's something to consider. I'm just asking Are we just are we just shouting into the void? Here's an argument. Yeah No, I want to I want to have a conversation. I want to have a conversation about this because this is this has definitely been Enlightening distressing are you part of the problem? Maybe. I'm gonna give it the spiciest possible intro. Maybe. My reason. Hit me. Come at me. You've already stated you're getting a 5090. How many people out there, it doesn't even matter how connected to the

tech industry they are, it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant. They have a certain current graphics card, they were gonna buy this completely regardless. They might be interested in the performance. They might be going and buying a 5090, but being like, I wish it was better, but they're gonna do it anyways. But like- Let me put it this way.

We are getting deep into the answer to that question in our 8K gaming video. So MSI wanted some sponsored 5090 stuff so they could show off their 5090 and we were like, let's game at 8k again. So we're milking that stupid 8k TV in the lounge. Beautiful. And we're gaming at 8k again. And what adds really a really interesting through line to that video is that both of the hosts, me and Nick Ploof, had declared during the rumor phase that we were going to buy a 5090. So the card, our before card, that we compare the 5092 to is literally Nick Ploof's 4090 that he

had to pull out of his computer at home because we wanted to have an MSI 4090 and we didn't have one in our inventory and I'm not gonna go buy a 4090 right now so he graciously volunteered to bring his 4090 to work so that we could use it for the video and so that he could also experience side by side what kind of an upgrade am I getting. It's a really cool video and what I will say is that the answer is not a foregone conclusion. I said before that I would buy a 5090 So did Nick ploof when we saw the review numbers

both of us felt pretty differently about it, yeah, and We did not gain perfect clarity from gaming on them side-by-side I will say all of those things very interesting that video that video is coming I also I don't want to jump us off this topic yet there's like a little bit of a hint to the next topic. I also think with the DeepSeek R1 stuff going on right now, local LLM is exploding like never before. Like yes, people have been running LAM and stuff for a long time and we'll get into this in a second. Are you doing another victory lap right now? Oh so much. I know no idea dude He is actually erect under the table right now just from how right solid from how right? He has been like like can you tell that the table is actually tilted slanted? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Because he wasn't he called it so hard that the cloud So early too. That the cloud was coming back on-prem now in fairness. I did not make as comprehensive a prediction as you But I resisted the move to the cloud which I think you remember and you remember everyone calling me stupid for doing on-prem storage Yeah, oh yeah, like for years and years. Why are you such an idiot? Why are you doing on-prem storage? Like all the video people are doing it. Yeah, because it's freaking expensive to put things in the cloud. And annoying. But what he called was all the compute coming back. All the hosted services coming back. I didn't... I did not see that coming. A lot of

people told me no when I said it, but I was like, I don't know, I just feel like it's gonna be a thing. I don't remember what I said. By that time, you might have been right about so many trends already that I might've just been like... I don't think it was a debate. I think we were just kind of like talking about it, but there was a few other people that were like, no, dude, like open eyes is going to push so hard to keep everything up, up, up, up, up. And like looking at how Lama's been going, I never lost hope, but I was still like, at how Lama's been going. I never lost hope, but I was still like, hmm, this is not hitting mainstream really. But I guess we can just shift topics now if you want. Yeah, sure. I don't think there's that much more to say about are we wasting our time reviewing

GPUs when they get snapped up regardless of what reviewers think of them. Yeah, I think genuinely there is potentially an argument to start talking about like, okay, what if we give like an overall 1080p gaming average chart in the video? And then we do a breakdown of the games on the site. No. I don't know. I feel like if people are dipping because of graphs,

like I feel like we might want to respond to that. And that doesn't mean the information can't be out there. If it's one click away, that doesn't feel like it's too bad. Let me present this data in a different way. Okay, okay One million people watched the whole thing Just about and I think that that's really important Those one million people might go tell three friends or five friends.

And if you take the gaming charts out, you might just lose a different portion of people. I think so. Okay. I think so. I think that, I mean, look, Labs is one of those things that we did not create to make money. Oh, yeah. That is, like, the narrative that, you know, everything we do is to make the maximum amount of money is just comically false.

If I wanted to make more money, I would do more sponsored showcase videos and I would do absolutely zero building of a lab. Luke knows because he's seen the numbers, but I would literally be millions of dollars more wealthy if I had just not bothered. A lot of people think that's hardware cost I like it is sure sure yeah that too. Yeah, but hardware space, but no no people and So why do we do it we don't do it because everyone watches the whole video yeah, we do it because it's important yeah

Yeah Everyone watches the whole video. Yeah, we do it because it's important. Yeah Yeah But yeah, okay, so we can we can jump to the next time I'm gonna run through some of the the notes that were written And then we have like the discussion Question section for this discussion topic whatever you want to call it is like over half the topic So we'll get into that but I read the notes first on Monday January 17th Several big tech companies' stock markets crashed. Stocks crashed. Stocks crashed. Not markets crashed, but anyway.

The market crashed, and most of that was big tech companies. Most notably was Nvidia, dropping 17%, which is roughly $600 billion in market cap. The cause was new AI models developed by Chinese company DeepSeek that reportedly cost less than $ million US dollars to train. Reportedly is a decently important word there.

Yes, it is. Obviously, some analysts became skeptical of this number, but others said that even if it costs several times that amount, it would still be far cheaper to run than current competitors like ChatGPT from OpenAI. That seems to probably be true. And it's worth noting that we're talking specifically about chat GP, or OpenAI's most recent reasoning model. Yes. Right, we're not talking about any like older stuff.

We're talking like cutting edge. Everybody's talking about reasoning models right now, yeah. It's kind of, it's what matters now. Speaking of OpenAI, US administration's new AI and crypto czar, David Sachs, stated that there's substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled the knowledge out of

OpenAI's models and I don't think OpenAI is very happy about this. What? Reaping what you sow that's crazy Dude, that's not in the quote. This okay. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, keep reading the thing because this is so funny This is generally hilarious. This is actually the funniest thing that will happen on the WAN show for probably the entire year. Is OpenAI being like, what? You can't train your AI on our stuff! It's the Spider-Man meme. What are you even talking about? Buddy! Apparently that's unverified. Apparently that's unverified. OpenAI is accusing DeepSeek of training DeepSeek's dataset using responses generated by OpenAI models.

OpenAI is now looking into countermeasures to protect themselves, to help prevent distillation, and of course, their own IP and brand. And then we get into the discussion topics. What do you think gives OpenAI the right to be upset about their quote-unquote copyrighted material if all they did was scrape the internet for possibly copyrighted material? Also, it was definitely copyrighted material. Now, in fairness, they did license some of the material way later. Whenever they got in trouble enough to deal with it. Yes. Do you, do, have we like noticed AI scraper bots like on our form and stuff? Like is it a lot is it basically everything and everyone? I don't know about

float planes so much but all of our other websites. Yeah cool. Yeah cool cool cool. Yeah it's a thing. It's just I talked to Dan Segal about this the guy that runs the the labs web team and we essentially came to the conclusion of like we can spend time and resources on stopping it or we can spend time and resources on making the site better. Yeah let's do the second thing. Well let's make the site better. Yeah let's do the second thing. Yeah so that's what we're doing. At a certain point like it is what it is, it's going to be a continued arms race so we would be signing up for like a long-term battle. And it's just like, man, how do you notice scraper bots? It's a good question. That is a good question that I'm not going to be able to answer super well. But usually it's like,

you can, you can tell what they're doing. They don't, they're, they're searching every single page. They're acting in non-human ways. Sometimes they'll even basically flag themselves. That's not as common. Yeah, people are posting resource usage, location. Yeah, that's all very good. There's like a ton of different ways. Cloudflare have decent scrapers built in. I think you mean like scraper defense. They do have that. But as far as my understanding goes, like if you try to block this, this might be false. I want to say that before I say this, as far as my understanding goes, if you try to block like Google's AI scraper bot, you'll get deranked. So do you want to not be found by anyone, including bots? It's like that. It's not really the goal either.

So I don't know. But either way, it's like it hasn't even been worth the cycles to figure it out. Have you played around with Deep Sea yet? No, not personally, but I've seen its outputs a lot. And we're looking into... It seems like there's been some pretty funny stuff going on. I've seen some hilarious stuff. I don't know if it's been like made up. Oh, then let's been like made up. I don't know if they're altered videos. But yeah, we're looking into, I am essentially as of now declaring like, all right, I think it's been far enough. Nick from the lab has been messing around with local LLMs on, I think it's a Mac mini in the lab for a long time now. But now it's going to the point where like, okay, I think we want company wide resources for this.

So we're probably gonna build something, which will be cool. Thinking about making a video for it. Okay, cool. It might be cool. Elijah has in the notes here that he's never had anyone reach out. This is me. Oh, this is you. Oh, this is you.

Okay, well, do your thing then. From here to here is all me. So yeah, I'll just run for it. I said, this is you. Okay, well, do your thing then. From here to here is all me. Okay. Yeah, I'll just run for it. Yeah. I said while it might still not be mainstream, I'd originally written like, oh, local LLM is mainstream now. Okay, maybe not.

Lama has been awesome, but nothing has brought local LLM, in my opinion, to the masses like DeepSeek. A lot of the conversation that I'm seeing around DeepSeek is people like concerned about its ties to China or whatever. The other half of the conversation has been how incredibly lightweight it is. I mean, even the chat's blowing up about it. Someone was saying that it's been tuned down to require only like 80 gigs of shared memory or something like that. Yeah, which is huge. Which is, well, not huge.

No, I mean, it's a huge deal. It's wild. It's way easier to run locally and I think a lot of people are seeing the benefits especially when you're looking at chat DPT costs and going like That's $200 a month. Anne M. White says, bro, I managed to get the 8-bit quantized version to run on my 3080 Ti Yeah, oh I have a note in here about 3000 series graphics cards being like huge for this I managed to get the 8-bit quantized version to run on my 3080 Ti. Yeah. Oh, I have a note in here about 3000 series graphics cards being like huge for this, but we'll get to that. Okay. Yeah, anyway, sorry, I'll just keep going and then we can discuss for a little bit.

But yeah, people are worried about its ties to China or whatever, but you can fairly easily just like ignore those by running it locally and even entirely offline. So you don't have to use their chatbot thing. You can run it locally and even entirely offline. So you don't have to use their chat bot thing. You can run it locally. You can run it entirely offline. So they aren't getting reports or data from it or anything. And I've heard from many other people that you can tune it. So people have found that it'll censor certain responses

that you might expect a piece of software from China to censor, but you can just make it not. Wow. You're running it locally, you're in control. So like, cool, okay. I don't Wow, you're running it locally you're in control. So like cool. Okay I don't know that you're gonna get away from all of its potential biases to be super clear But it's open source someone at full paint job just pointed out you can fork it like The fact that this is open source is the craziest part the fact

The fact that so much of this stuff llama now deep seek now DeepSeek, is all going open source is wild. And yeah, I don't know. Anyways, my next note is that I've never had anyone reach out asking about how to run LLMs locally or what hardware to get or anything. In the last week, I've had no less than 10. I saw a thread on Twitter where someone put together just like a hardware list with like a couple epic CPUs

They were like look you don't even like need GPUs because that'll be way more expensive. So we're just gonna use system memory We're gonna use CPU. Here's the motherboard you need they put together this hardware list that was Yeah, sure. It's still thousands and thousands of dollars or whatever, but compared to what you would have needed before to do it on a GPU You can even do it so much cheaper than that too Yeah, no, but this was this was but this was earlier in the week before anyone knew how how much it could be optimized For smaller memory footprints, so it needed like a bunch of RAM But anyway, the point is not any of that The point is that this post had like tens of thousands

of upvotes. Like this is happening. Like this is such a niche topic, or it isn't. Yeah, not really anymore. And the fact that you can plug and play with different models once you get it locally means it's not really gonna go out of date. It seems like they're getting easier to run, not harder.

And you're looking at a $200 a month bill and going, wow, I can really distill this out in like half a year, and then it's gravy from there is crazy. Yeah, compared to buying a subscription to like, is OpenAI just gonna go out of business? No, I don't think so. And I have a note about that later on. Yeah, let's talk about, okay you stuff so when it's full point chat pointed out apparently there's 6400 forks already on github? So like Yeah, the whole like Oh ties to China stuff I don't think it matters this this really to me feels like an economic blow It feels like an attack against not just open AI

but honestly the entire American tech sector the fact that they made the chatbot free and they completely open-sourced it so you can't even pull the China card very well. I don't see a reason to do that other than to just hyperdunk on the American tech industry. Anyways, I'm going to keep going. Yeah, I've never had people ask before. I had no less than 10 in the last week. And I've had people telling me like, hey, sorry sorry to ask what I'm asking on behalf of like another

friend that is really interested in, I'm wondering if you know. I am personally trying to pressure Wendell to make a video on this so that I can just link it to people because I want to stop writing the same thing over and over again, then he's gonna know better than me anyways. And he said something along the lines of like soon TM, I think. That seems like the kind of thing Wendell would do. Yeah, so hopefully he does it, but I don't know when. And I'm not saying he's going to, but yeah. What I have in here is what I will say is what's really popular right now is Mac minis

because of the shared memory. So... Mac Studio as well, because that one you can configure with way more RAM Mmm, nice and it don't need a crazy amount though. Well the Mac mini with the m4 Pro even okay So with the m4 it tops out at 32 gigs. That's pretty good with the m4 Pro it tops out at 64 But the Mac studio is is honestly not that unreasonably priced compared to the mini if once you start to upgrade it and is is honestly not that unreasonably priced compared to the mini if as soon once you start to upgrade it and it maxes out I believe 192 gigs I mean that's

sick I just it's so much more than what that's basically everyone needs I'm not so my my main point here is that you can go as low as something like that like I've seen a lot of people being like, oh, I'm gonna get 340 90s and like, I'm like, bro, like, no. And Nvidia's little AI supercomputer for five grand or whatever is gonna look completely irrelevant compared to a Mac mini. Yeah, probably.

If we don't need all that RAM, if we don't need a powerful GPU. We'll have to see how good Digits is, but yeah, for the vast majority of people that aren't running this for like a group or a team of people, you've run one person, I really think like the Mac Mini keep it cheap play if you're going for one person is not bad. I would also want to point out that 3000 series GPUs are in a, in my opinion, really cool sweet spot. And on all of this, Dan, I'm interested in your input too, maybe when I get through my notes.

Yeah, Dan, you need to sell those 3090s. No. Oh, well if you just want the cash, yeah. They're worth a lot right now. Dude, 39 because of the 24 gigs of VRAM. So yeah, my next note is- Why I bought them. 3000 series GPUs, especially the 3090

due to its 24 gigs of VRAMram which didn't increase with the 4090 And while it did increase with the 5090 it wasn't by a huge amount and those like don't exist So 3090s are selling now for still over a thousand dollars. When did they first come out? So, you know, what's funny? I think over four years ago, and what was the msrp? I believe it's almost five years ago So the starting price was 1200 us dollars I think over four years ago, and what was the almost five years ago? 1200 US dollars and it came out in September 24th of 2020 Holy crap, but they have 24 gigs of VRAM. You know what's really funny is I kind of mocked Jensen's keynote When he said that buying that 4090 was a great investment.

I mean the 3090 might have been. No, 4090s have held their value incredibly well. Oh yeah. Even though the 5090 and 5080 have been announced, released, benchmarked, everything, Plouffe was telling me that he can still get about $2,000 Canadian dollars for his 4090. And this is a card that... Pretty fair. The 5090s don't exist. And so he's been gaming on it for two years. So if you compare that, right?

Like if you could buy a car today for $10,000, drive it for two years, and then sell it for $9,500. Then basically you were paying like $40 a month in rent or whatever to rent a car. Like it's trivial compared to how we used to think of these things. It used to be that when I bought a $500 graphics card, when the next generation came out, that thing was worth

200 bucks like it was it was functionally worthless whereas now what the fuck is going on to generational GPUs I'm on Facebook marketplace here okay and 3090s are like a thousand dollars now that's Canadian dollars that's that's rubles worth about four bucks I need to buy more so let's do a quick correction Okay, we'll do a quick conversion here. Okay, so we got no No, don't make me sad Okay, so that's you know But still dude that's a four and a half year old GPU.

Or like 4.25 or whatever the math was. It's over four year old GPU that is now two generations out of date. And they are sick at running these systems because of the 24 gigs of VRAM. Actually crazy. Yeah, I just had to mentally check. I like knew, but I didn't want to say the wrong thing and it sounds incorrect. No way.

The fact that the 5080 is 16 gigs is like, what a queen boo and chat says that there's still like 900 us dollars on eBay. I wonder if this is one of those things where some of the Canadian sellers don't realize how worthless the cad is right now Maybe I should be should I be buying Canadian 3090s and flipping them in America. Let's go Oh, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. Look at this This founders edition is at nine hundred thirty US dollars. That's a bid. That's a frickin auction You gotta be kidding me. No, no, hold on. That's a fricking auction. Wow.

You gotta be kidding me. No, no, hold on, this can't be right, this can't be right. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Where's my sold? Where's my sold at? Sold items, here we go. Completed items, sold items. No, no, okay, no, no.

Well, actually, no, dude, dude, dude. Oh, this is two. No, these are parts only. You gotta be kidding me here. You gotta be kidding me here. You got to be kidding me here. 830 US. Yeah, they're going for 800 to 1000 US dollars. That's bonkers. And it's just because of VRAM. When the 5090s VRAM was announced, I was openly disappointed. And a few people questioned it because they're like, Oh, it went up. It went up. I'm like, yeah, but it didn't go up last gen. So if you compare it, like you can't ignore the fact that it didn't go up with the 4090. In my opinion, I think that's what makes it worse. Because that means in

however many years, we've gone up like eight gigs. Yikes. We are never, we are never building a 3090 PC in Scrapyard Wars. Yeah, probably. Literally never! They're gonna be a thousand dollars forever! That's brutal. This is ridiculous! So if I bought, if I got an MSRP 3090 at launch, okay 3090 launch MSRP. I believe it was $1,200, but let's just oh No, I'm wrong. Am I wrong? It was

$1499 okay, so is that right fair bit higher? Okay. How much was the 3090 Ti? 1999 okay, so $1,500 US dollars. You know what? My point still works. If I bought this thing at launch, okay, so launch date was, let's just double check that, September of September 24th of 2020, was it? Oh, for the the 3090 release? Yeah, I believe so. I believe it was 2020. Yes, September 24 it was 2020. Yes, September 24th, 2020.

So how many months is that? That's like 50 months. So this thing has gone down in value by anywhere from 500 to $700. Let's call it $600. Okay, so $600 divided by 50 months means that I could have a 5090, or or excuse me a 3090 in my computer from launch day till now for 12 a month yeah wow and I could and I could sell this thing and get back that much of my money

that is flipping pun intended crazy that's pretty nuts yeah 1,590. What's a g-force? What's a g-force now subscription? Like this is gonna justify g-force now no because g-force now is gonna be more expensive than just buying a 3090 Buying a 3090 on launch day to be clear Yeah to be clear and using it the whole time and actually putting in the work to flip it Wait, you've got to be kidding mind on it. G force now is sold out This is Nvidia's game streaming service What They're running out of subs they've limited that's weird

for weeks They ran out of they ran out of cloud All this tells us is that literally quite literally Every wafer and Nvidia can get goes straight To the data center. Yeah, I mean 50 90 50 80 appear to be functionally paper launches. Yeah

They can't even they can't even put GPUs in their own in their own data center Wow, even Nvidia can't get the GPUs they need, right? Oh, okay, hold on. Someone says, read the news. They're changing payment processor, so they've halted subscriptions. Okay, okay, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. So whoever had it is not paying until they figure this out.

Okay, okay, okay, maybe it's not that bad. Maybe it's not that bad. Okay, this is why it's nice to have chat. Thanks, chat, you guys are great. Okay, well, how much, okay, I don't know how much it costs then. The point is I'm pretty sure that this would be less than a GeForce Now subscription. I mean, you also have to pay for the rest of the stuff

in your computer, but I guess you'd also have to, a device to run GeForce Now. Yeah, and you might just like having a computer in general. So, you know, whatever. My point is just like what you're paying for this, the GPU, unless you're an AI developer or or whatever functions as a gaming device. Yeah, right Yep and

And that 3090 is not not far off is actually better than a 4080 in terms of performance anyway And that's the ultimate tier as well. So you don't even have to spend, you know $1,500 at launch or whatever. How do we- So it's 20 bucks per month ultimate. There you go. Yeah. So literally cheaper than streaming.

Just by the computer. Yeah. Crazy. Cause that's crazy. This is crazy. We live in crazy timeline. Do you have a limited amount of time you can use Vforce now for? Like you have unlimited hours per month. Ultimate I don't This is crazy. We live in a crazy timeline. Do you have like a limited amount of time you can use GeForce Now for?

Like you have unlimited hours per month. Ultimate I don't think is limited. Eight hour session lengths. And then when you're done the session- That's not gonna be enough for some of the people watching right now. I guarantee you. Why are you calling out Dan like that?

Uh, that might not be enough for Dan sometimes. No, I'm not even just saying for gaming because Dan does a lot of stuff on his computer. Oh, and there's queue times too. Even with Ultimate, there's queue times. Yeah, it's a workstation computer that also plays video games. Exactly, right? So like eight hour sessions?

I don't know. Maybe not. Oh, did I leave? Oh, I put on a brand new shirt before the show. I'm saying all this big talk wouldn't work for me. Yeah, no. All right, there we go. Sorry about that, guys.

What'd you do? I had the extra button in the plastic bag hanging off the back of my shirt. It was bothering people in the chat. It's the style. You did it on purpose. All right, what are we supposed to be talking about? Let's do some herch messages.

No, I'm not done! I'm not done! Okay, carry on. My next line is, don't expect OpenEI to not have an answer for this. I don't think they're just gonna like roll over. I do, I'm not personally surprised. I don't think they're just going to like roll over. I'm not personally surprised. I saw a lot of hot takes when the market crash that like all these dumb idiot investor people don't understand that they still use GPUs for this

stuff. I actually understand the crash personally, because what this signaled was that you can do it much more efficiently. And the stock price for Nvidia, as insanely inflated as it probably still is, a big part of the reason why it was so inflated was because of the incredible inefficiency of AI stuff and the incredible amount of power that people were needing to buy from Nvidia. So if it's more efficient than the hundreds of millions, billions of dollars being flooded into Nvidia to buy every single possible thing anyone could possibly scrape from them is maybe not as much of a thing as it was in the past. Probably still a thing. Greg Foss Yeah, and the positive for Nvidia stock spin on that is,

well, by being so much more efficient, so many more people are going to run these things, and so they're gonna sell even more GPUs. It remains to be seen how that plays out, but this way we're at least presenting sort of both sides of the argument here. I have a really interesting take on this, which is probably pie in the sky and hopeful whatever whatever. But is there is if a lot of people coming

down, is it falling? Yeah, it's the it's the pizza on the roof from Breaking Bad. But I don't know, man, if a lot of people buy some of these to have local LMS at home, more gaming PCs. Maybe more gaming piece. If you're looking at electronic to have local LLMs at home. Yeah. More gaming PCs? Maybe? More gaming PCs. If you're looking at electronic spending for your home and you could have a console. Wait, why do you, sorry, what?

What do you think? If you buy a high-end GPU. Sure. To run an LLM at home. Oh, so you just- You can game on it. So you're just going like convert the faith the faithless bring everyone to PC gaming because They can't run an LLM on their Xbox. Yeah, really do you seek destroys console peasants? Yeah, that's the headline. Yeah Okay, Xbox is dying. Anyways, like that Domino's meme

Switch 2 is gonna sell at Qibillion units and is also incredibly boring. Yeah. It's probably the most boring console in Nintendo has ever announced. Oh, that's an interesting debate. Hold on. Let's see. The most boring console. New DS. Oh, do you count? Oh, this is technically hand held. I can't even remember. This is a bit of a hybrid. All the different variants of DS at this point, to be honest with you. Wasn't it like New DS Plus or something?

Yeah, I'm getting a lot of support in chat. 2DS was not boring because 2DS was an affordability play. 2DS was way cheaper. People are saying the new 2DS. So, I'm not sure if that's true. I'm not sure if that's true. I'm not sure if that's true. in chat there's a lot of us was not boring because 2ds was an affordability play 2ds was way cheaper people are saying the new 2ds so somewhere between what you and I are saying but basically one of the flippin DS's like I'm not convinced that cuz like Gameboy Advance Gameboy Advance was huge Gameboy

Color was huge back then there was a pretty clear delineation between console and handheld I know it's become blurry now but it was that. Back then there was a pretty clear delineation between console and handheld. I know it's become blurry now, but it was... It's a console. It was clearly separate. It's a handheld gaming console. It was clearly separate. Don't even give me that!

It was clearly separate, you know it. Don't even give me that! It was clearly separate, you know it. Wii U then. Got him. Wii U wasn't boring. It's... I mean, no one was interested in it. No one knew what it was.

The definition of boring is I don't know, don't care. No, it was so exotic that people couldn't figure out what it was. It definitely wasn't boring. It was weird. It was very weird. It was not boring. Might not have been good. I liked it. Might not have been good, though. Is he talking about the Wii U or is he talking about sex? What? Just go back and watch that. Listen to that whole thing. What's he talking about the Wii U or is he talking about sex? What? Just go back and watch that, listen to that whole thing.

What's he talking about? No one can figure it out? No, I don't know. It just sounded like you were talking about... it doesn't matter. The point is, the answer is Virtual Boy. The answer is always Virtual Boy. Virtual Boy is not boring! Okay, that's true, that's true. You're going for like bad or didn't sell well.

I actually, I'm actually kind of excited for Switch 2. If, okay, because I have a little theory, I have a little theory, it's a me theory, but they used the newer encoding engine. Yes, that could move it to being more interesting. If I can, yeah, if it uses, because we haven't even seen yet on 50 series, what that's gonna mean for things like Moonlight for streaming.

Like is the quality, because it's garbage in, garbage out, right? So if you're encoding at much higher color depth, then, or with, at 422 basically if you're if you're encoding with much higher quality then when you decode that on the other side on your you know on your TV or on your handheld device or you know on your like Logitech G cloud or whatever right when you decode that theoretically it should look better I haven't we haven't had a chance to look at any of this yet.

This is potentially another W for big GPU enjoyer LLM people. Yeah, I guess that's true. Just saying. But anyway, the point is that if Nintendo is using a newer generation encoder that, I don't know, has really great latency or really great encoding quality, and I can stream my Switch from somewhere else, I think it kind of brings some of the spirit of the Wii U into modern era, which is kind of cool. So I can use it three ways now.

I can use it docked at the TV, I can use it handheld, or I can use it docked at the TV with a separate, lightweight, high battery life handheld. That would be flipping cool with like a mobile app or something. I don't know that Nintendo would go mobile app. I mean Sony did though. You can buy a PS portal or you can just not and you can just use an Android app. That's super cool. I didn't know that actually. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, no it's genuinely cool. So the

Logitech G Cloud is one of the few examples, now that I've been doing this so many years, I generally have a pretty good idea if something's gonna be phenomenally stupid before I start reviewing it. But that was one of the few examples of something that I was completely dismissive of. And I went into it and I was like, oh, this makes, for the right person,

I mean, I don't still use one because I just game on an ally. I have my compute locally because I prefer the lower latency, but for the right person, wow, this makes a ton of sense because the battery life's great. And there's a ton of games where it doesn't matter. There's a ton of games where it doesn't matter.

Civ 7's right around the corner. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't play that with a controller, but like, I know people do. On a, yeah, maybe not on a Switch, but on a Steam deck you have those pads dude someone messaged me on steam the other day Saying they play anno on their handheld. Oh, I know right, but they're they've Really enjoying it steam deck has the touch pads right? Yeah, it might not be as bad man. I think that would suck though I would not want to play anno and it was a whole different beast than than safe There you go. Oh

Okay, so it is a steam deck because I'm not surprised. No, no, this isn't the post This is just this is just a post of someone playing an O on the steam deck Yeah, lower the graphics setting to medium still stutters a bit. I'll report back later. Yeah No, it's a bit of a bit that's not the easiest game to run ever. It actually is Anno has a super weird optimization curve. So when you max it out, it will kind of crush your GPU in spite of honestly not really looking

that much more better. That's probably why I didn't think it was easy to run. And it has some issues. Like if you max max it out and you're in X12 mode, I can't remember, but it will basically fail to launch and they've just never fixed it. But at relatively low detail settings, the developers specifically optimized it

to run into integrated graphics. Whoa! Yeah, so it actually runs really well. Wow. If you turn the details down. That's actually sick. Yeah. That's cool.

I love stuff like that. I didn't know that at all. That's, that's. Oh, we're supposed to explain merge messages now. Are you done? No. Okay. Carry on. I think I was actually kind of kidding. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I could talk about this stuff forever. So he's done, but this is, this is earmarking. Like I,

I do want us to get some local resources one for people to just start playing with it. But also, like, I want to start running better models for, like, inline IDE assistance for developers, locally and potentially remote, and not paying, like, big fat fees to OpenAI for that would be pretty cool, especially if we can just, like, make a video doing it and then, you know know That helps pay for it. That'd be pretty sick Speaking of helping pay for things if you guys like the show you want to interact don't just throw money at your screen We don't really do twitch bits or super chats or anything like that We do merch messages to send a merch message. All you got to do is go to lttstore.com add some great

incredible stuff like our New sport button up shirt to your cart, and you will get a little box that you can fill out and send in a merch message. We're gonna do a couple of them, show you guys how it works, but basically it'll go to producer Dan, who will reply a little something like that.

Look at that, he's ready to wave. He's ready to wave. I was waving already. Are you ready to wave now? Oh, no, got, oh, oh, there he is. Oh, nice. What? You can't wave with that hand. Sorry. Anyway, the point is it goes through to Producer Dan. He will reply or he'll forward it to

someone, or he will curate it for me and Luke. But before we do a couple of them to show you how it works, let's talk about our new sport button-up. Luke, do you like wearing dress shirts? No. Yeah, that's fair. And you know what? I get it. Sometimes they suck. They're stiff, they're sweaty, they don't move with your body. Well, our fashion team made it their mission to prove that you can look like you have your life together while still also being comfy. That's why we made the sport

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All right. Shall we do a couple of Merch messages? We shall. Let's do that. Just got a new mechanical keyboard and so far I hate it because of things like chattering and keys getting mistyped. Is there a way to fix that or what are your suggestions? He's getting mistyped? So far I hate it because of things like chattering and keys getting mistyped. because of things like chattering and keys getting mistyped. Ah, I'm trying to think what would even cause that?

Like if you had a- A crappy mechanical keyboard. Well- Yeah, is it? I- What switches is it? I would return it. Yeah. To be honest. Yeah, that's a good idea. I would just return it.

Because, well, I'm just trying to think what would even cause that? Like if you have really cheap mechanical switches and the stems wobble, or if you had really heavy caps. Point is at a weird part. And if you type in a certain way and you kind of like bounce, it can, it can like triple register. I think that's what he means by chattering.

The, the- You've got bad switches, bro. They're like miss input of the keys or whatever, however he described it. Keys getting mistyped. Keys getting mistyped. Keys getting mistyped. I don't fully know what that means. You got a bad keyboard. But just return it. I think you got a broken keyboard. If your keyboard isn't

keyboarding send it back. Yeah get a different keyboard because man you can get dude you can get affordable what you can get mechanical keyboards for less than you just spent on LTT store that are great these days. So you just need to find one of those. You can also go the other direction, right? I'm not telling you to spend a lot of money, but there's infinite scaling here. Genuinely, most people spend thousands of dollars on the keyboards. You can build your own, you could go with a really fancy pre-built one, you could go

with a lower end pre-built one that just isn't junk like it sounds like yours is, unfortunately. Someone said Keychron for not too much. I really like Keychron stuff. I was really impressed by the one that we showed in the All China PC. Let me just get past this ad and then I will show it. It's an ad for Galaxy AI.

There are genuinely a ton of options though, and those issues that you're describing should not exist. That is that is Bad don't accept that just send it back get your money back You can't have like oh Look at that. Look at that. It happened to go right to the part where we were talking about the keyboard amazing 50 bucks for this Allah Whatever it is Dang we can't we can't wait we can't praise him like that's gonna go to his head damn I'm pretty good sometimes. Well, that was all the time. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah

I don't remember doing that. If you buy this keyboard, you have to do, you have to try to do that when you get it. Yeah. So this F98 was like 50 bucks and I was, dude, I was super impressed by it. This was super nice. All right, cool.

Hi, LLD. What single thing in tech has made you feel the oldest? My mom's master project was on ray tracing and it is now in a museum. I mean, I- That's sick. That's super cool. Your mom sounds awesome.

Just putting that out there. I don't have to try that hard to feel old in tech just because so much of my life is just doing tech things and talking about tech. You gotta post whatever that project is on the reddit. Yeah for sure. Please do that. Sammy, Sammy pointed out, Discord too, that we're at the five-year anniversary of the I'm Thinking About Retiring stream that completely blew my mind. I was playing, have I talked on Wanshow before about playing Lords of the Realm 2 with my son? I have okay

That made me feel pretty old that you know, what was a game that I played when I was Not much younger than him Looks like you know crude chicken scratch scratch 2d compared to what exists now It all makes me feel old like you look at 10 year old games and it's like, ah, it doesn't look too bad. You look at 20 year old games and you're like, woo, that looks pretty old. You look at 30 year old games and it's like, whoa! And then, and then you remember how amazing you thought it looked. Oh yeah.

Like I remember playing... Especially the 20 year old ones. I remember playing... I thought old ones. I remember playing I thought more when looks like soul Reaver legacy of Kane. I remember being impressed with the water Okay, it's horrible But I went from like an N64 to that man, whatever so I remember playing this game Okay, and thinking that the in-game, you know, seemed kind of like that box art. No, this, that must be a remaster. Hold on, hold on. Here we go. Here we go. This is it.

It didn't. It did not look like the box art. This is what it looked like. And I remember thinking, wow, this looks so incredible. I mean, the fact that it was 3D at all blew my mind. Would it come out? Ah, that's a good question. Soul Reaver, Legacy of Kain. I don't know. 1999. 1999. That's pretty good for 99. Yeah, it was good for 99,

but it doesn't look very good. Doesn't look very good today. What about the original Mech Warriors? Oh. I remember thinking that was just like peak. Like boxes? Dude, I didn't- Dad, I need a better GPU

so I could play Mech Warriors one. I never tried a Mech Warrior game until like way after the fact. So I was going back and trying to play them once, you know, graphics were good. And I was just like, this is not fun. Like it's not good enough to be fun. Some old games still manage to be pretty fun.

The biggest problem for me with old games is not the graphics, it's the control schema. Some of the old controls for games are just like, yeah, we go back and you're just so confused about the quality of life stuff that we've just take we take that for granted Yeah, that always gets me I can overlook a decent amount of that for me. It really it's the controls when you can't change them Yeah, change them. I'm willing to bet this game would still be fun. This is specter This is specter Whoa, it's a it's a tank game. I guarantee you this game made people motions there. Oh, there we go. That's a little better

That looks sick. I don't know looking this good. That is super playable yeah, so you had multiple views and There was a there was a wireframe. There's like a wireframe view so your tank wouldn't be solid it could be like You can kind of see through a little bit. Yeah, it gives me Tron vibes Yeah, it was pretty cool. That's wicked for Mac man back when yeah, it looked like this 91 91 let's go yeah here it is here it is here it is that must have been a banger in 91 and this is this is the Explosions when you blow up a tank dude so cool I like it cuz that almost feels like an like a like an art style thing. Yeah limitation, which is always cool

I've seen stuff come out these days with that kind of graphic style. Yeah, sweet. What about chips challenge? Did you either of you play chips? I did bomber. I did what bummer I shook my head. Oh No, that's from they used to say that in the class. Oh, I don't remember that I don't even know if my computer had speakers at that point. You couldn't take that kind of thing for granted, all right? What kind of MIDI card you got in there, bud? MIDI. Your sound card works perfectly.

I got a sound blaster. Oh, that's cool, that's got a ball in it. What are we supposed to do? Yeah, Jemez! Float plane chat. He knows what that's from. What are we doing now? Two more topics. What do you want to talk about? Luke, you want to pick one? Sure, let's see here. Oh, I lied. I'm picking it. I just picked one fine

We can yours fine. No you'll do yours All right, we can poison AI now and even more. Oh, no, no more AI. Okay. No, we're doing mine About AI again, so good pebble Fami mentioned on WAN show pebbles coming back All right hackaday reported on a flurry of Pebble news this week. Pebble, if you guys don't remember, was an e-paper smartwatch that was introduced with a Kickstarter in 2012. Let's see if we can find some file footage.

Pebble watch. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Oh, of course it's all, it's all from, okay, look at that. The first one that's actually from then. Ode. This guy! What a nerd. I know.

Not her. Yeah. Hold on. I mean, she might be a nerd. Wait a minute. Oh, it's unskippable. Forget it, I'm over it. Anyway, the point is, I loved the Pebble.

Not because it had a bunch of great functionality or because it was the best looking device with the cleanest, most minimalistic design, but because it just freaking did what it was supposed to do, which was it displayed my stupid notifications for me and it had an easy to use interface with physical flipping buttons. Dude, it was so easy to use that I actually still, up until I untogethered my motorcycle

a couple of years ago, was still using a Pebble Time, which was a successor to this one after the... So there was this and the Pebble Ste and the pebble time if I recall correctly. I was still using a pebble time to control media playback when I would ride my motorcycle. I hot glued a magnet to the back of it and then I hot glued a magnet to my bike and then I would just put it on there so I could take it off and charge it and then throw it on my bike for my in helmet speakers. Like why the crap is no one else making a super energy efficient smartwatch with physical buttons is exactly what the original Pebble founder, Eric Majjikowski said when he launched repebble.com

and was like, dang it, if no one's gonna do this after we were acquired by Google in 2021, then, or rather acquired by Fitbit in 2016, which was then acquired by Google in 2021, then we're just gonna bring it back. And this is so cool. A team, including former peblers turned Googlers, has been working on open sourcing the OS for the last year. The code is on GitHub.

So not only is Eric relaunching the Pebble with repebble.com, so I'm just gonna fire this up here, but, oh, hold on, repebble.com. No, I've mistyped it. But hold on, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this successfully. Open source is popping off on Winshark. Not only is he relaunching some hardware, but this might not be the only hardware.

Because the OS is open source! That is so cool! That is very cool. That is so flipping cool! Bringing it back, it's open source, we're making new Pebble watches. Anyone can use Pebble OS in any way they want. Do you want a new Pebble? Yeah, a little bit.

Freaking awesome. I'm personally really excited because as much as I wear an Apple watch, I don't like it. I have never liked a smart watch the way that I liked my Pebble. Oh, it's Google open sourcing this. Yeah, super cool.

I assumed they left the company to work on this, but yeah, I know this is officially Google open sourcing. Yeah, it's so cool. Sweet. Okay, these announcements have caused some serious excitement for the Rebel project, which has been working since 2016 to maintain an advanced Pebble functionality

in the absence of Pebble Technology Corp and does so through their Rebel web services. Rebels Will Murphy stated that these developments are massive for Rebel and will accelerate our efforts to produce new hardware. Rebel has also announced they're going to become a non-profit organization and allow the community to take ownership of the project. Check out rebel.io. That's rebel r-e-b-b-l-e E dot I O for more information. Wow. I didn't realize kind of how, how deep this went.

No, this is, this is so cool. I actually had a call with Eric last week where he was just kind of talking about, you know, potential ways to work together and stuff like that. And I was like, look, what it really just boils down to for me is I'm stoked. Sick. So like as soon as you guys have got some new hardware,

I'm like, I'm so in, I'm so ready. Yeah, yeah. Super exciting. Fine, you can talk about your AI. Let's go. Talk about your AI. We can poison AI in even more ways now. Several methods of poisoning AI models

have been circulating for a while now. While methods of poisoning AI models have been circulating for a while now. While none of them are 100% effective at tricking computers and have trade-offs, they have been successful at making scraping data more expensive and more difficult for these companies with the aim of reducing AI's long-term feasibility and all four are available for you to use now. YouTuber Fammy, often written with a four instead of the A, has made a video demonstrating how to use the.ass subtitle format, or.ass. I don't know, I mean, it's technically.ass.

So.ass. It just is what it is. .ass, man. I'm not swearing, I'm just saying what it is. .ass.. ass, man. I'm not swearing, I'm just saying what it is. Yeah, dot ass. Dot ass. Yeah. Anyways, she demonstrates how you can use

the dot ass subtitle format to combat trawlers or crawlers from stealing content by adding junk caption data that should only affect AI. Nice. A professor at the University of Chicago and his students have created tools, Glaze and Nightshade, these are, again, these ones aren't new, that scramble how AI interprets photo slash art with minimal visible changes to the human eye, and an anonymous dev angry that Meta's crawler ignored

their website's policy and hit their website 30 million times struck back with malware, Nupenphes. It's a tarp hitting tool that traps AI in an infinite maze of static files with no exit links, which is pretty sick, and feeds them garbage data. Discussion question, can you think of any better file type other than.ass? And I think no. No, I don't think I can.

To be completely honest, extremely well thought of. Do these tools give you hope in the fight against the AI takeover of creative ventures and possibly humanity itself? Nope. Nope, but it's fun. It's interesting. Yeah, it's great. And if you wanna protect your stuff, do it.

Resistance is cool, even if it's futile. Yeah. Yeah. Do it. Yeah. The models have already been trained and open sourced and put out there. It's already been done. But again, really, if you do want to protect your stuff, if you're a particular artist, I think, and you have a particular style, I think poisoning all your stuff could

be a really good idea. Because then you could keep your style from being trained on very effectively or you could resist your style from being trained on very effectively, or you could resist your style from being trained on very effectively. And I think that's the main use for this stuff is like individual stylistic defense. I don't think it's going to stop, you know, the wave from happening, but you might be able to resist your specific flavor. So in other cool news, steam OS expands beyond the Steam Deck. Check out family's content, she's cool. In the lead-up to the Lenovo Legion Go S launch, Valve will be improving compatibility with other handhelds and will be shipping a beta of Steam OS which should improve the experience on

other handholds. Users can download and test this for themselves. Of course, we will continue adding support and improving the experience with future releases. I am super bullish on Steam OS. I freaking love Steam OS. I can't wait to use it as a, oh, well, I was going to say desktop operating system, but that's not actually the truth. What I want to use it for is a living room operating system. Bring back the Steam machine! Yeah, dude. I'm stoked. Like, dude, I have a Windows machine in my family room, which you probably don't know

because you've probably never seen me turn it on, because it's annoying, because it runs Windows, but is configured to just launch Steam in big picture mode every time it turns on. Except that because I only use it very infrequently, whenever I turn it on, there's been some stupid Windows update that wants me to go through the Windows Setup Wizard again, I'm like, I don't have a keyboard connected to this.

I don't want this, I want it to just work. I know I don't want to use Edge. Not now, Microsoft. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm sure. Are you sure? I'm really sure, not now. I wanna just use my software, I'm sure. Are you sure? I'm really sure. Not now.

I want to just use my software and not yours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. More Steam OS. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, what else we got? Sony removes PSN requirements on four PC games. Sony has

removed the mandatory PlayStation account requirement from four single player PC games. Spider-Man 2, Last of Us Part 2, God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered. Are there any original IPs anymore? These are literally all sequels but go ahead carry on. This is to incentivize, or sorry no, to incentivize people to still sign in. There will be content unlocks when you connect to your account. Okay, I actually, you know what? It's not too bad. Yeah, if you need horse armor that badly,

then go ahead, link your account. And if you just can't be arsed, then hey, you have that option now. That is a good way to do it. I don't mind them doing some amount of incentive, like, you know, it is what it is. This comes nearly after a year of the backlash around the post-launch PSN

requirement for Helldivers 2, locking people in territories not served by PSN. This is the entire reason why this matters out of the game that they have already paid for. To be clear, there are regions in the world, whole countries, that cannot get PSN, but were able to buy these games. So it literally banned them from playing their own game that they owned or potentially banned them from buying it at all in the future which is nuts so that's that's going away which is good also Forza Horizon 5 is coming to PS5 this spring how did i miss this are you kidding me really is halo next question mark i know a lot of people have been saying that they think starfield is coming soon who cares no one cares about that one okay cool but but it's an xbox exclusive title for But Forza on PlayStation?

That's pretty wild, eh? Because it was always Gran Turismo versus Forza. Well, yeah. Yeah. What? It's weird. Announced today apparently, huh? Whoa. That's wild. Sorry, I'm still- I'm still reeling from this one. That's- That was a historic battle for decades I think. Is this the last generation of Xbox like haven't they said they're working on next-gen hardware what's the point? Sorry someone in the full-blank chat said Starfield was

fantastic until dot dot dot the event and by that I think they mean the launch date yeah I'm not really sure what it could really mean other than that Yeah Loading zone enjoyer Other annoy AI annoying news, I'm gonna do another fun thing cool We played WAN show on our school's jumbotron and sound system. How cool is this? Whoa Yeah, right That's so sick. This is so cool

Ridiculously geeky Like what anyway cool? That's amazing That is so cool. That's like I think one of the reasons why I love stuff like that. That is so cool. That's like, I think one of the reasons why I love stuff like that is because absolutely that is the type of thing that I would want to do if I was in, if I was that person. Oh yeah, that's what I'd do. And the next thing I'd do is put crisis on it. Let's play something fun on the jumbletron for whatever reason. Yeah. Let's get something silly up there. That's sick. I love it. I love it. Nice screen. Good looking field. Yeah, it actually looks pretty good. That's a nice facility. Man, school sports in the US is one of those things that

growing up in Canada, where the biggest sport at my high school was definitely rugby. And- About four people cared? Other than the players, like there'd be the school announcements on Monday or whatever. And the rugby team had a result against MRSS and literally no one is even listening. Like, nobody cared.

No one really goes to the sport unless they have like a significant other playing. And even then it's like, hmm. Even then it's like, dude, I don't know, it's raining. Like, tell me about it after. Like, dude, no one, no one cared. And so I made it all the way to adulthood, having no idea that like high school level sports are televised in the US. Dude, I went to, with my grandpa, who used to live in Arizona,

we went to a University of Arizona football game, and it was genuinely deeply difficult for me to comprehend that this was not an NFL game. It was a massive stadium. The stands were full. There was people like with body paint that spelled things. They had a marching band like a massive one that came out during they had a whole crazy halftime show. All this stuff. Here's my high school. This is the field that they play rugby on.

Where's your Jumbotron now? Where's even some bleachers? Yeah, definitely not existence. They literally do not even have a place for spectators because they know nobody's gonna watch We didn't even we had tennis courts we did not have a tennis team Oh is this pickleball? Is this someone in full play chat right? Right saw in full play shot said the biggest university stadiums in the US are almost twice as big as the university of Arizona

Stadium that place was enormous. It's like hard to... man, this is... I don't know. I don't know. I understand a lot more people live down there, but like, dang, that's... that's crazy. Webb says, I've heard college is bigger too. That true? Absolutely. Dude, college sports in the States is as big, if not bigger bigger than I would say professional sports is here like it's it's a whole thing man and oh man yeah here's my high school you can barely even tell where the fields are yeah no it's green

there's muscle it is green and there happens to be like, you could put a line between the fields if you were kind of feeling like it that day. Like it. Our track is just like the dirt stuff that's around them. You guys had natural track. That was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ours is also a square. This has been improved since I was there for sure too though. That's worth noting. Yeah. Sorry. I can put this back up. It was quite not like this when I was there. It looks like mine was not. Yeah this wasn't ours by the way this belonged to the elementary school where also nobody watched anybody play. And it's not just that like it's not just like oh well like Linus's school sucked. I mean it probably

has fewer you know stars than the other one but like yeah now here's the other one. This was like the school where people cared about the sports a lot when I was growing up. They had one little stands area. Yeah that's it that's all they got. But the fact that they had like an actual track was huge. That was a big deal. Yeah. Here, let's go. Here we go. Thomas Haney. Thomas Haney School.

Yeah, they don't even have a track. Yeah. They do have a baseball diamond. That's crazy. So that's something. That's huge. I guarantee you they never play baseball there. It's probably like just for California kickball.

Oh no, no, they've got actual, they've got what appear to be kind of dugouts and they do. Oh, you know what? This may actually be used. They've got, they've got stands and everything. I didn'touts and they do that. You know what this may actually be used They've got they've got stands and everything. I didn't go there. So I didn't I don't know how big I don't know How big baseball was at this secondary if I remember correctly Brookswood secondary did not have I can tell you this looks like a problem Like especially given that right-handed hitters are gonna pull this way. Maybe they're maybe they just know it'll be fine Dyslexic stoner 240 asked what is California kickball? It's pretty much baseball but with like a giant rubber ball and you just roll it so it's like

When especially when you're young kids and you don't have the hand-eye coordination to hit a baseball or a softball It's so that you can start to learn the rules of baseball But you just like you just you just kick the ball. Yeah. Yeah, you just like roll It's actually decently fun when you're like elementary school. Yeah. Yeah until you know, everyone can just Frickin boot it. It's pretty fun. People are saying that's just kickball up here. I remember it being called California kickball Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe there was a difference. I have no idea. Apparently it's just called kickball. What makes it California? I don't know. This is what we called it. What do you want from me? All right, Google. This is like a Royale with

cheese thing or, you know, French doors are just called doors in France. Thanks for that, Dan. Is there a difference? I don't know. While kickball and California kickball are often used interchangeably, the main distinction is that California kickball is essentially just a regional term for the game of kickball,

particularly popularized in the California area and I guess BC, often applying a slightly more relaxed or casual approach to the game's rules compared to the more structured kickball leagues elsewhere. Oh, interesting. So this is kind of like a ping pong table tennis thing. Where technically, I believe the differences in the game are like so minor that only, you know,

someone at a competitive level would care, but functionally speaking, they're like kind of the same thing Oh wait, the the stadium manager of that football field is in football chat That's pretty sick yes So they are essentially the same game the difference is one of perception table tennis is an Olympic sport and respected while ping-pong is a sport and respected while ping-pong is a hobby or recreational activity. Yeah, so California kickball is the whatever version.

Yeah and like okay badminton has something similar. If somebody calls it a birdie you know that they're just like a rec like they play in the backyard or whatever they don't actually play badminton they just like whereas if they call it a shuttle then you know that they actually like know the sport and care and like play. I feel like those types of things exist like for practically everything. Yeah, sure. It's just like, are you, are you, it's so.

Are you in it or are you just an enjoyer? Filthy casual. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's fair. Like it's fair. I'm looking around. I can't think of, I know of one school sort of around here, two. I know of two schools that have like fields where you could really watch people play,

but I think it's mostly because those fields happen to be there and they're more community fields than really the schools fields, but the school is right next to it. So they're like, ah, we might as well use it too. To answer your question in float plane chat star cat one cock. The word that comes after shuttle. They asked shuttle what? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Cock! Yeah. All right what do you guys want to talk about next maybe the word that comes after shuttle? No Yeah sponsors would be pretty good right whoops Yeah, we can all come Wow okay transition the show is brought to you today by Vessi

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All right. We're supposed to do three merge messages now. Go ahead, hit me Dan. Sure thing. Let me just get to the place where they are. Hi L2D1. I'm not a morning person, so I have a pretty elaborate morning ritual. Can you walk me through your typical morning? Oh man, okay. Sure. So I am also not a morning person. I do not sleep well, but my kids need to get to school. So most mornings we either teamwork, getting lunches ready or more often lately

because Yvonne is a saint and she's been coming into the office less lately. She'll do the lunches and get the kids out the door and then I will drive them. so I get to get up like 20 minutes later, which is pretty nice. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's not nothing. I Usually don't eat breakfast, I know I really really really really really really should What else I'm no longer a morning shower I'm a I'm a late night

bath-er. I haven't been able to give up the morning shower despite also extremely not being a morning person because I just I just sweat so much at night. I can't handle it. Really? Even with your hate sleep? Yeah it still happens. What? It can't keep the entirety of me. I'm a big boy. Only some of me can touch the bed, man. Some of it's up. I'll be cooking on, I'm like a not properly flipped steak. I'll be cooking on one side and cold on the other,

and I'll have to like roll over enough. And if I don't actively roll over enough while sleeping, I'll wake up and I will be like hot on one side and cool on the other. I think we should do a cooled blanket video or something because does that exist? Can you get a cooled blanket? Blanket? I don't think so. Wait, I think the chance that you get a leak out of a blanket would be like, no, I think you can get ones that like blow air through it. But the problem is that there's no way Emma would want that. So it would have to be just the one side. Yeah.

So we'd have to do like a... You know how you can set up a curve, like a sleeping curve, where it changes the temperature over the night? Yeah, we're not doing that. No, no, no, I'm not. And you're supposed to like raise it at certain points and stuff.

Mine is literally just cranked at the absolute bottom. And I, that's the best it can do. Okay, so I'm not promising anything, but I will. I will. If it's gonna leak all over my everywhere, I don't know if I. Well, look, I take no responsibility for any of that. I don't even know what you're talking about.

But what I'll say is, Dan, if you could fire over to Vance to add to the next writers meeting. How heavy is it going to be? Luke? Okay? Do you look a gift horse in the mouth? If it's not really a gift, maybe. What am I telling Vance? That we're going to try and figure out a water-cooled blanket for Luke. I think that's, I think it's the right thing to do. I think water-cooled blanket for Luke. I think that's, I think it's the right thing to do. I think

water-cooled blanket for Luke is the right thing to do. So it just feels right. So I don't have to take morning showers. It feels right. Yeah, it feels right. I bet what we could even do is we could probably modify your eight sleep so that we so that we branch off of the mattress side of it and we actually redirect some of the water flow into the top layer part Anyway, but we won't get too deep into the plan right now, but I'm I think we could do it This is this is off topic But somebody told me to look up Allen High School in Texas and my brain actually exploded. I'm flipping over to your laptop This is a cluster of five baseball fields. This looks like four more baseball steals. No, no, that can't be baseball here. Can you zoom in more?

Oh wait. Softball. So they delineate that. So they have four softball fields, five baseball fields, one of them being like way big, they have an aquatic center over there. They have all these tennis courts here. They have a park. Uh, they have some, some, this is all still the school.

Yes. They have all these. That's not two schools, which is more baseball, more baseball. And these are like pro ass looking baseball fields. They have whatever. They have whatever this random field is. How many teams do they have? They have Eagle Stadium. This is a high school.

The Allen Eagles. Allen Eagle just sounds like a dude. It doesn't sound like a sports team. Look at this stadium, dude. And it has a huge parking lot because I guess people like flipping go to. Are these something? What is this? I don't know.

The edge, the edge of the All-Stadium Park. This is still the high school. I don't know what this is, but it's still a high school. Might be a competitive rowing. It literally might be. This might be water. What the flip is going on here? That school has a subway? Like do you mean the restaurant or the- at this point? I don't know. Or the train.

Oh, Knox Allen Station Maybe they mean the train No, I don't- that's like houses. And maybe they mean both Yeah, maybe. Water skiing? Shut up. No way. Maybe they mean both. Yeah, maybe. Water skiing, shut up, no way. Water skiing might be. This is not uncommon for high schools in Texas,

says Boom Zero Zero. Mild hometown with like 25,000 people is this size. You gotta be kidding me here. Why can't I see information on the aquatic? The Lower Freshman Center. Yes, Subway Restaurant. Okay, that's not even, I mean, uh, well, well, okay. BCIT has a Timmy's.

Yeah, but that BCIT is a post-secondary institution. True. Why is this panel off the screen? What happened? I don't know. Anyway, okay, I think we get the point. Wild. Absolutely wild. Did I zoom the browser? Oh, I totally did. Okay. Protonmail. Politically neutral and privacy first encrypted email service Protonmail has been under fire for both posting and seeming pro GOP biased and being not so

private. They recently handed over a user's information to French legal authorities and admitted that they would hand over any info they have if prompted by authorities to comply with Swiss law. This includes email subjects, headers, senders, recipients, times, but, notably, not the body of the emails themselves. They have also been under fire for posting praise for certain aspects of the U.S. Republican Party. The original tweet from the CEO said, 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.

The official comment, or the original comment from the official Proton Reddit account said, until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle big tech abuses. From the damage control thread, the CEO posted, big tech CEOs are tripping over themselves to kiss the ring because the new president

represents an unprecedented challenge to their monopolistic dominance. Lena Conn being out now, I don't, that isn't, I guess we're not commenting on what they're saying. I don't think, yeah, I'm not commenting on what they're saying, I'm just throwing this out there. And as far as I'm concerned, as far as I could tell, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans wanted Lena Conn in.

So I'm pro Lena Conn. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. She's the only one that actually has my support. Lena Conn for prime minister of Canada. Thank you. Yep.

Good luck everybody. We, we love our Southern neighbors from a distance though. We love our southern neighbors. From a distance though. We're not going to be a state. What else we got today? Other AI annoying news? Yeah, MetaAI now automatically uses your Facebook and Instagram data and messages to personalize auto responses with no option to opt out.

Let's go. Microsoft rolls out a new version of Microsoft 365 with co-pilot AI features. That doesn't work along with a 30% price hike. 10 to 13 months. No, $10 to $13 a month for a family plan. Got it. It's also very hard to opt out of the AI features.

Neat. Discussion question, is there a Facebook marketplace alternative so I can delete my meta account. Nope No get wrecked. I love I love Facebook marketplace You and Emma dude, I do I love it so much. Look look at my freaking Facebook marketplace. This is it's wild What even is this? It's a 20 inch encapsulated silicone spine I did not think that was why I'm in the thumbnail It's wild, what even is this? It's a 20 inch encapsulated silicone spine. I did not think that was a spine in the thumbnail. Yeah, why do they have that?

And it looks like a series of things in a row. Here's 3090s for sale. Oh. Oh wow. That actually. Oh. Oh, that. Hey Dan, you need any more 3090s? This is CAD. My wallet says says no my heart says yes. I

Like I mean these are mining cards, so who knows how long they'll last but like dude what even is this? What even is this? I don't know. I want it though. Look at it. This is crazy. What the heck right? This is crazy dude. I'll teach you race car dude I go out of my way to just like click the weirdest stuff So my Facebook marketplace algorithm is freaking wild. What the heck is that? It's freaking wild Oh, it's a shirt Breaking Bad slash. Dr. Seuss themed shirt Yeah, I love my Facebook marketplace, dude. I love it. Yeah I love my Facebook marketplace, dude. I love it. Yeah

Here's a map of the Powell River backcountry. It's 3d from this guy, dude It's from it being from that guy makes me think it's very legit. That's actually super cool It's really cool. Where else can you you could find a way to use it as a D&D map somehow, dude I'm even starting to like the ads the VSO is doing music from Final Fantasy? Let's f***ing go! Oh sick, I kind of want to go to that. I can pretty much guarantee you Conrad's going to that. So yeah, I don't really like anything else Facebook does. I do use WhatsApp Messenger, but I don't really like anything else Facebook does but Facebook marketplace has its problems it has its problems but where else am I gonna get this? $150 bucks? Yeah. I'm like surprised at how affordable that is. Yeah pipes are made of PVC now you

could have your very own TanaCon right here in the in the attic of your house Was it TanaCon? I thought it was like Something else I thought it was TanaCon. Oh No fire no no TanaCon Dashcon Dashcon yeah, no yeah, no this is this is TanaCon. I think TanaCon memed on it. No, that's that's Dashcon Was this Dashcon? Oh, sorry. I think Tanacon memed on it. No, that's, that's Dashcon. Oh, is this Dashcon? Oh, sorry, I thought it was Tanacon.

Wait, Dashcon, hold on. Is he okay? Oh, see, also Tanacon. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. I think they happened at a similar time. Yeah, okay, my bad, my bad. My bad! Cool.

Basically, hard to play still. All right. Ball pit, let's go. Is there anything else we want to talk about? Oh, maybe. There's this one. What else? What else is there? Yeah.

What even is this? Is Govee using proprietary USB-C cables? LTT forum member Viper7 reports that Govee cameras will only work with the included USB-C to C cable. So rather than replacing a too short cable, users are buying extensions to use with the included USB-C to C cable. So rather than replacing a too short cable, users are buying extensions to use with the included cables. Turns out we don't have any Go-V cameras on hand to confirm these reports, so we're asking the WAN audience instead. And I guess the main reason that I wanted to bring this up is because why does USB have to be, USB-C specifically, have to be such a broken,

weird freaking stupid standard. It doesn't seem that hard and I'm very excited for us to bring our cables to market and do our small part to fix this. So they're just going to be clearly labeled with the wattage and the data rate and that's it. Simple. Simple. They've been a sponsor, right? Yeah, that was one of the reasons that I wanted to bring it up. Yeah, so we should try to, if you have them, try to... Elijah says, I have a feeling this could be a case

of someone using a wrong spec, like a power only. Why do the power only cables exist? I know it's good to save four cents on your cable or whatever, but oh. Yeah, I wonder what it is I suspect it's I suspect that's right I suspect that's it yeah if you have one try to test it post on the forum or something yeah all right is this it is it when after dark I think so oh no we went after dark announcement yes behind every great

chief vision officer eyeball there are executives that have to wrangle, said Chief Vision Officer. And on Float Plane, we've had exec week where you can meet some of them. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. James Strive, Nick Light, and Taryn Tong all sat down for interviews with the one and only Sammy. So we can go over to the exclusives

and you can meet the team, all three of these guys. They did a great job, they were good sports and that's our Float Plane exclusive update for the week. Let's go. If meeting execs isn't your cup of tea, you can watch my wisdom tooth post surgery, um, drug trip, or you can catch up on why is when late since there is a new episode next week.

A bunch of people saying Terrence interview is really good. Uh, some people asking where mine is. I had a whole week to myself cause I'm a special little flower, I guess. So you can go check it out. Yeah. I think, I think weeks are generally three videos for floatplane so you you get three people. Got him. All right, what else we got? After Dark? Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Dan, you're up. I gotta push a couple buttons first. Look at this guy. Wait for it. Wait for it. There's some people talking in I don't remember where it was,

that they missed the actual dark after dark. I was about to say those words exactly. Yep. I miss it too. I understand the reason. How dare you steal my words. Pretty good at it. They were my words. Pretty good at it. You're good at it.

Better than you at it. Okay! Okay, the pre-show viewers will get it and I'm not explaining that. But yeah, I understand the reasoning and you know it's probably still the correct reasoning but I do miss it being dark. I do. I do. Don't, don't even. Look at these guys still unneeding words. The regular show cannot handle that. You are too spicy for the pepper, sir.

Alright. Alright, let's get back to the most important part of the show. Where I get to talk Oh you admit it you're terrible. Oh, I'm loving the look Oh, you admit it. You're terrible. I'm loving the look. You lost a point. I lost a point. Personal attack against him. Marking that down.

I'm loving the look of the new shirt and that I can wear it at work. When will we get some pants to go with it? Would love to have a full LDT office appropriate set. Oh, the tech pants are back in development. So they, the original prototypes which we went through like five revisions on, all of them, suffered from a condition that I call Vagina Pocket Syndrome, where basically they had zipper pockets because even on like a dressier pant, we pockets because even on like a dressier pant, we didn't want your stuff to fall out of your pockets so we had zippers on the main pockets but the problem was that whenever the zippers were undone because it was like inside a thing and there was a fold it kind of looked like

you had two vaginas on your head so we Like you have like penis pocket problems when you put your screwdriver in your pocket No, no, no, we definitely don't have pockets there for screwdrivers, but if we did it would be a problem Anyway, the point is that it We couldn't solve vagina pocket syndrome, so we kind of cancelled the tech pants. Okay. It looked really bad.

It wasn't even just like, oh Linus you have such a sick mind, whatever. Like in the meeting we're all standing there going like, oh my god. Those shorts that I wear all the time have zipper pockets. Maybe it's like an angle thing or something? So it's the material, it's the time have have zipper pockets. Maybe it's like an angle thing or so. It's the material It's the positioning. It's the it was everything. Okay, it was it was very difficult So anyway They're back and this time they're gonna be based on the very successful very well received cargo pants block

Which is what like a like a like a basic pattern is called. And we did a first round and it's particularly noticeable on me because I have kind of wide childbearing hips, especially for a male. And even on me, the VPS issue seems to be resolved. So I am pretty excited. Hopefully. I don't know who knows some months Hopefully this year, but our tech pants are gonna be the same fit as the cargo pants very plumber bum resistant No VPS on the pockets

and And and more a more of a professional office look. Yeah, we're working on it. We're gonna get there. Okay. Yeah. It's not the answer I was expecting. Howdy, LLD.

Linus, after watching Channel Super Fun, do you still find Dbrand stickers in your house when Dennis was living in your new house? Yes. Really? There are still stickers in my house, yes, there in your new house. Yes. Really? There are still stickers in my house. Yes, there are. Because my kids helped.

So they put them fricking everywhere. Oh, yeah. That's a good way to do that. Yeah, there's still a light fixture that's kind of out of the way and inconvenient to get at that has one on it. Yeah, it's really nice. It's really good.

Hey, everyone. I work as an urban planner, and technology's importance has been rapidly growing in our field. Did you see or use any cool technology when you're selecting locations for the badminton center? No, um, honestly, the, the location considerations were most, it was mostly just, okay. I actually looked this up very recently because I was trying to figure out how long I'd been trying to open that thing. And from the day I started to the day we did our soft opening, it was somewhere between five and six years, I think.

And the reason it took me so long is because I needed a whole bunch of stars to align. I needed something with ample parking. So that basically ruled out almost any new building. I needed something with high ceilings. So that ruled out almost anything old. And anything other than a warehouse, basically. I needed something zoned for recreational use, which ruled out anything other than the city of Richmond, the city of Langley or further east, or Surrey specifically has a carve-out as long as it's less than 50% of the building, which is why we're able to do it, because we have two units out of the four, but because the electrical mechanical room is in one of our units we're actually like 49% of the

usable floor space, so we're able to be an auxiliary use recreational use business there. I needed it to be somewhat accessible to the badminton community so it's a very popular sport in some parts of the world and not a very popular sport in other parts of the world so generally speaking like your typical you know white boy doesn't really play badminton. But in Southeast Asia, in India, in China, in Taiwan, badminton is super popular. And so I wanted to be close to, you know, where there's a high density of like,

a high population density of people who have come from those areas because they're far more likely to play badminton. Yeah, it basically just came down to all of that. I didn't have a chance to use any technology because it took me like four and a half years to find something that would work at all. I'm, dude, I'm stoked on how it's turned out though.

We had our launch a little while ago of our memberships and stuff. And it's dude, it's going great. People are freaking loving it. Like freaking loving it. Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. Loving it. Yeah, it's been really great. Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na I noticed that you have a really deliberate diction, especially when similar sounding are in sequence. Is this something you have always done or practiced and intentional skill?

It's from just watching our videos back and trying to make them intelligible, especially knowing that people now typically, it seems, watch videos at anywhere from 1.5x to 2x. So if I mumble my words or I slur them together, then what I've noticed is that the comprehendability of what I'm saying goes way down if there aren't clear breaks between my words. It's also a habit that doesn't come naturally to me, but that I have tried to adopt in order to make me a little bit easier to edit. If you have your words go together like this, then you can't really pick up mid-sentence and do a retake. Which is so convenient sometimes because you might have done like a killer job with the beginning of what you're saying, but then screw up something really small and you really

want that back. And if you could keep it somehow, that would be nice. Hey, oh, sorry. UCRBuffalo says, you said before the wisdom tooth surgery you used to have a lisp too. Yeah, I had a pretty pronounced lisp before I got my dental appliances and they reshaped my palate and it's kind of been coming back. Anyway. Hey, LLD, if you could travel back in time to the 20th century and bring LTT with you, what technology would you love to cover or revisit the birth of?

Oh, I think like long distance communications would be something that I'd be super super into. The wire. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, Like switchboards. So much. Dude, switchboards, you ever seen a switchboard?

They're crazy. Freaking wild. Absolutely wild. Super cool. Early telecom stuff would have been insane. Yeah. Honestly, any early computer things were just wild. Yeah.

You should go, when you guys are done this, watching WAN show. Like imagine the content I don't know. We're not making videos at that point But whatever content you're making in that era imagine the content you could make on the first like three and a half inch hard drive like mind-blowing dude

Go go watch these videos from smarter every day and Linus tech tips this memory module Go watch these videos from smarter every day and Linus tech tips this memory module Actually, I can't remember if that's the compute module or the memory module the point is the RAM was literally the hand woven So cool woven memory is yes. Yeah, okay this ray it is RAM It is RAM you can see it's 14 kilobytes of RAM in my hand there and that's how they programmed it right so cool They've wired the program bonkers Hey DLL I work in the trading industry as a software developer and I loved the Equinix DC video do you think x86 CPUs are going to be able

to scale past 128 cores? Excited for the backpack. No, they'll never get there. Never gonna get there. Not happening. Yeah, okay. I was like, hold on a second. What are you talking about?

Yeah, I'm kidding. I mean, AMD and Intel are clearly clearly still into it adding more and more cores Okay, Knights corner Technically x86, but they were they were pretty Like weak sauce compared to oh, yeah, but still yeah, we're talking cores. I mean that's that's fair enough but still, we're talking cores. I mean, that's fair enough. Knight's Corner was 50 cores per chip. When did it come?

Like 20 years ago? No. No. No, no, no, no, no. 14. Yeah. I guess not that far off. All right, hit me, Dan. Ignoring GPUs, the CPU uplifts this generation have been really disappointing. How come we've seen 30% plus performance for ARM CPUs

like the new QC SD8 Elite, but not x86? Not so much. That hasn't been true for x86. Well, that and Snapdragon 8 Elite got a node shrink. Snapdragon Snapdragon 8 elite got a node shrink like TSMC's latest note is so flipping expensive almost no one's using it Apple's using it Qualcomm's using it but Nvidia didn't use it for their latest GPUs and like that's a Lot of the really really really smart ideas have been done to optimize chip design. So, you know, it used to be easier, easy to get big performance gains because you could just cram more transistors

in because you just have a new process node that allows you to shrink the freaking transistors. But when you can't do that, well, you end up with Nvidia's RTX 50 series. And you can see this, you can see this increase in cost as we go down to more and more recent process nodes and you can see the way that companies like AMD are actually optimizing their cost for their products by avoiding it whenever possible. Like you look at their latest Ryzen processors,

they don't use the same node for their IO die that they do for the CCDs, for the compute dies. And the reason for that is that it's so flipping expensive. It's cheaper to use a way larger die of an older node than it is to just shrink the IO.O. to the using the same node as the compute dies. That wasn't a thing 10 years ago. You just shrunk, you shrunk everything because it would all kind of come out in the wash.

Like yeah, it'd be more expensive per area or whatever, but you'd be able to pack so much more into the area that nothing else made any sense. Yeah, so Snapdragon 8 Elite got a die shrink and other CPUs have gotten small ones or not that much. Also, like x86 CPUs are like so mature, honestly. I'm kind of impressed that we are still getting the performance gains on a single core chip that we are. Like they can't scale clock speed anymore. I don't know, Ryzen 9000 is like pretty good.

9800X3D? 9800X3D. It's a heck of a chip. It's still a beast. It's a heck of a chip. Questionable whether you need it. I mean, we demonstrated this pretty well in our video that if you're not running at 1080p low, it doesn't make much of a difference.

And in fact, we were so convinced by that, that we felt, yeah, we're good to go ahead with our 50 series reviews with the 7800X3D because we're benchmarking these at 1440p and up. And we just didn't see much of a difference. We are planning on eventually moving that over. Yeah, I just mean we didn't freak out and panic upgrade everything without doing our due diligence Yeah, because I you guys might remember this but we did it

We put a ton of work into making sure that our parallelized test benches are all going to be Are all going to give out results that are very close to each other and we needed over I think was over a dozen 7800 x3d's in order to nail that down. I was before your time. Yeah, I don't know It was a bunch though 7800 X 3Ds in order to nail that down And it was exactly these kinds of questions forever that I was trying to avoid. The only reason we did it was because people demanded to have them in spite of us telling everyone, look, we're cancelling the black shaft because we can't guarantee the durability. Some people really like it. Yeah, well, this person apparently doesn't.

Yep. There's no way to restore it because you'd have to, to get it perfect you'd want to like sandblast it or something and you do not want to sandblast that screwdriver. Something's going to end up in the ratchet mechanism. You do not want to do that. Plug the, plug the, yeah, that's probably what I did. The diplomat says, I love my black shaft. Very diplomatic.

I think if you plug the socket end, you might be able to, someone mentioned in chat, the socket end. Plasti-dip it, but yeah. Oh, yeah, it wouldn't look that good. No? And touching the knurling, plasti-dip's just gonna come off.

Had to RMA a headphone four times in two years. Each replacement came with a new legal warranty. This time they offer a goodwill instead of a warranty. Should I insist on my warranty or just switch brands? This is, oh man, warranties. Why do I even talk about them? Why do I get baited into this stuff? Because I curated this one. I'm just maybe I should just

What do you think? Oh? No, I think that warranties are written in such a way that they basically leave enough room for interpretation That they are designed to protect the company rather than the user. If you look carefully at any of them, they will have clauses in there that say things like at discretion or regular wear and tear that will allow them to decide whether they give you warranty service or not. So with all of that said, the warranty service that you will get from a company functionally comes down to their willingness to stand behind their product. But you should still get a warranty.

And I would, you know, in this situation, I would make it very clear that you're uncomfortable with that one, especially considering the failure rate that you've experienced thus far. And then especially because most headphones really don't fail that much. And then if they don't appease you, if they don't satisfy you, then yeah, you should switch brands. Because at the end of the day, whatever's written down on the warranty terms or whatever is what it is. But it changes absolutely nothing about your experience. And that's what matters. Their reputation matters. Your experience matters.

Are they going to try and weasel out of it? That's what matters. And honestly, after something failed that many times, I would just be not that impressed anyway. Hello, Lan, Lan, and Dan. Question for Luke. I am a media student and I have pretty much been relying on AI for my programming Assignments, how do you think development will evolve in regards to AI? It's gonna be weird There's things right now that it's like I've seen a ton of examples of people using I'm sure Dan seen this too I've seen a ton of examples of people using the r1 model to do stuff that it's Yeah, they score really it scores really high on the programming. There's, there's a thing Wendell was sharing with me. I wonder if I can find it was like,

where it like, oh man, I don't know the details, but it's a, it's a genuinely wild Reddit thread and they, they shared like their prompt and it's just anyone could have prompted for this I believe you can also feed it back code as examples and it'll work on them yeah your phone needs to move yeah sorry is always it going through yeah it's pretty bad I need to figure out how to solve this Adam Z says the way he talks about warranty does North America not have Oh, is it going through? Yeah, it's pretty bad. I need to figure out how to solve this. Adam Z says, the way he talks about warranty, does North America not have laws mandating the minimum warranty rules and duration? The issue is just that it costs so much to pursue it

that it's very difficult to actually chase anybody on it. That's the challenge. It's not that you aren't entitled to it. It's just that the cost of making someone deal with something is greater than what it would cost to just go buy a new one. So it just usually doesn't make sense. But some people wish it and there are laws in the States about it and stuff. Yeah, of course. Get your warranty. Yeah, honestly, in that situation that was MerchMessaged about I would ask for like, uh, maybe you should give me a longer warranty because your product is sketch. Optimizes Laminos. Do you want to come back to it Luke? Uh, give me one second.

Can I help you? Boom, there it is. He's got this. Am I good to go to your laptop? Yeah. There we go. This thread is wild. Diving through it is wild. If you scroll, this is a picture obviously, but if you scroll down and find someone actually

linked the the actual GitHub repository. And on there, you can see the code that it wrote and it shows the prompts that they used. Oh, what is this shorter? I swear this is shorter. Oh, nevermind. Here's the example of the prompt that I used. You can see like,

You can see like Your task is to convert given C++ arm neon into this and Okay, okay, it just goes here's the first thing you need to convert It's it's this whole thing It's it's gonna be way too much for us to go over and it's probably not gonna be interesting for like the vast majority of the audience. But check out this thread. If you're interested in DeepSeek R1 helping with developer stuff, check out this. Dan's like, yeah. It's starting, Luke. You know how we were disenfranchised last year? Yeah. I think we're back on the up-and-up. Yeah, it

makes the Lama.cpp, if I remember correctly, yeah, roughly 2x speed increase. A user even noticed there was something that it did that was not necessarily necessary, and they asked R1 about it. And it was like, oh yeah, you're correct. You can remove it by doing these things, blah, blah, blah, blah, like it improved beyond there. So it's improving and making code more efficient. And then able to work with someone giving it feedback to do stuff.

Yeah. One of the top comments, self-improvement achieved. Yeah, there's a, there's a comment here saying there's a non-zero chance that something like O3 Pro is already influencing code optimizations inside OpenAI. First mover advantage could be strong here as improvements compound and are magnified even further by possibly implementing R1 optimizations. Essentially what they're talking about here is if you have the most powerful model, at a certain point, you can use the most powerful model to continually self-improve faster than other people can, especially if you don't release the most powerful model publicly the second-improve faster than other people can, especially if you

don't release the most powerful model publicly the second you make it every time. This is a similar concept to like ASIC coin miners. Yeah, I was about to say this is basically ant miners. Yep, it's ASIC coin miners mining on their own machines before they release it to the public, like halfway through the next development cycle in order to kind of always stay on top. It's a really interesting conversation. Bitme, that's the company. And yeah, it's totally a thing. All right. If you work for us and you're hearing this and you're worried, don't be. We have roughly

47,000 years worth of work to do. So if this accelerates you many times, which I don't think we're there yet, but if it does, sweet. There's more tasks. Don't worry about it. It begins. Yeah. All right. This year's going to be spicy. Hey, Linus, I recently wrecked my car. Oh, bummer.

A 2003 Camry and I'm painting a new hood for it. Any problems just using a rattle can for a quick and dirty paint job? Any tips you'd suggest? First of all, I do not condone graffiti. You should not paint your hood. Second of all, the most important thing is to clean it. Just make sure that the car is really clean. So soap and water, rinse really, really well. And then, yeah, realistically, if all you want to do is prevent it from rusting, just make sure you prime first or use a paint primer combination.

Like this is an older car. It sounds like you don't want to put a lot of money into it. So yeah, no, it'll work. Make sure you coat everything, right? Because if there's any gaps, then moisture will start to rust it. And once rust gets under the paint, then you have to understand the whole thing

and then you do the whole thing again. But that's about it. As someone closely familiar with people are expensive, I was laid off this week. What are your thoughts on companies that struggle due to the huge amount of misinformation perpetuated over and over? Oh, I have lots of thoughts about that. I'd like to apologize for Luke for two for two for the night.

I'm not answering this one. Go for it, Luke. You're up Asia Africa Australia North America what Antarctica what you're up. Oh You want to ding them again there we go good good good good good I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's really tough. We, in a lot of ways, people have been talking about this for a while, we're in like a semi, like post-truth scenario, when everyone around basically has the same ability to voice things that has a lot of benefits

and is cool. But that means that every single person, I'm not even talking about voting, every single person's form of communication is taken at a very similar authority level, which is kind of questionable in a few different ways. And one person could create a huge range of accounts or run a LLM backed bot farm to communicate various things that they want. We see this from nation states. Don't kid yourself. It's also happening on a personal level. A crafty high school kid with a laptop could figure it out. This is not highly sophisticated at this point. Yeah. This is a thing and it's happening. You go around, it's public knowledge. I'm not exactly a fan of Twitter or X in any of its iterations. It has nothing to do

with its curtain ownership. You go around it lately though, it's a ghost town, dude. Like I will look at a tweet that has a lot of whatever they're called now that has a lot of interactions on it. And you look at the, like it has all the likes, retweets, comments, et cetera. I have seen a couple where I like actually was just stunned for a while and then like shared it with someone else and was like, look at this. Cause there's like 40 responses and I pretty much guarantee none of them are real.

Wow. Like the whole, what is it called again? Like dead internet theory or whatever. Dead internet, yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's obviously, wow. Like the whole, what is it called again? Like dead internet theory or whatever? Dead internet, yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's obviously not true. There's an incredible amount of people that are chronically online, but there is also just a mind blowing amount

of fake content on the internet these days. Fake people, fake comments, fake replies, fake content, the whole thing. Big problem is, I actually mentioned this on the pre-show, the human capacity, or now augmented by the machine capacity for imagination, is much, much, much greater than responsible, informed, diligent people's capacity for finding, formulating, and presenting arguments against bullsh**. So it feels like a hopeless losing battle. Linus, the other week you mentioned playing Lords of the Realm 2, one of my favorite games from childhood. Have you heard of the new game Manor Lords?

I have. I feel it's a spiritual successor to that game. I haven't played it yet, but I was, Lord of the Realms just like popped up on like cheap games on Steam and I was like, hey, and it it has made me wanna try Manor Lords even more. Is Manor Lords still in early access though? Yes, I was part of the first people to grab it as it came out. Yeah, I will, I will, but I haven't yet.

Very good. Is it good? Do you like it? I liked it. Did you play Lords of the Realm too? I did not. I think I should. It's surprising. It's not very deep, but it is surprisingly still really fun. You've got to remember that it is still in early access, so it will change over time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I honestly... I'm talking to the audience. Oh, sure.

A lot of people think that early access games are done. Oh, yeah, they're not. I've been, I've been enjoying the heck out of an early access game, tape to tape. Oh dude, it's so good. Yeah, it definitely has problems like right now. So many quirks. Right now breakaways are kind of broken and stuff like that. Like it's always got new problems because they're constantly working on it, but it is a ton of fun and I actually have really been enjoying the what we did for the last run That we did together where instead of gotten a lot better instead of choosing our path At some of the like rogue light roster-building

Forks, we just flip a coin and then we just play with whatever we get I've done a couple solo runs recently events are a lot more viable now where I Where I did the same thing and dude the one I did last night was just fucked Because I did it for everything including choosing my superstar choosing my initial ability, so I just had garbage for everything was unusable Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. I mean it would be fun to challenge yourself to try to win that way but yeah wow that's uh... I got crushed by the Knights. Oh yeah. Just tanked. I mean that's a wall already. They rolled over me.

It was embarrassing. While I say that's a wall already I really hope they don't nerf the princesses and the Knights. Yeah, the Princesses and the Knights are, they're, they're, they're pretty steadily. But it is, it is like, I'm happy that that wall is there and not like immediately before the final boss or something. Because the final boss being a wall and the Princesses and the Knights being a wall is like, okay, this is fair. It seems okay. Yeah, it's super, super, super fun. I really, really hope that someday they make it so that you can properly just like both own copies of the game and play multiplayer. But as of right now and theoretically forever,

you can play with Steam Remote Play. So only one person in your friend group needs to buy the game and then everyone else can Steam Remote Play, which is wild. But if you really love it, you should just all buy it. Yeah, I'm just saying. Just saying. Just saying. Just saying. Just saying. Just saying. Because there's always that like, oh, I want to play this new game, but now I have to convince my entire friend group. Yeah. And now it's like, no. No, you totally don't have to. Yeah.

I-L-L-D. What is the technology or piece of equipment that you loved the idea of, but never reached its potential or was abandoned because it didn't catch on? that you loved the idea of but never reached its potential or was abandoned because it didn't catch on. OCZ Nia. Yeah, dude. Oh, come on. Yeah, dude. Come on. Look at this guy. Look at this dude. Look at this dude. I know what a loser. You got that thing on his head. He's going nowhere in life. OCZ Nia Neural Impulse Actuator Plus Brain Mouse Demonstration Pong Linus Tech Tips. What a title. Yeah, well It was a different time for SEO. Oh, I used to have that keyboard, that keyboard was sick.

That keyboard was pretty sick. It's predecessor was better in my opinion. Original G15 was better. Yeah, that's the Gen 2. But yeah, look, he's playing the game with his brain With his brain, it doesn't look like he's using the the facial muscle trick either So I think he was actually playing with his brain But yeah, it was cool. I played a Call of Duty match with it and ended up positive I used it for shooting and reloading. I Looked and moved with my with my mouse and my keyboard, but I used it for shooting and reloading. I I looked and moved with my mouse and my keyboard But I used it for shooting and reloading. That was tough

I Have always been a fan of alternative input methods. I've always thought they're cool And this is this is one of them, you know What is this 14 years ago brain? Let's go. I bought this from NCIX. I had no idea you had a video on it. Oh really? Yeah, I don't think I knew you made videos at that point. I don't think I'd been making videos for very long at that point That's true. Yeah, you can see it like Try to to map out your brain waves and then it uses

Thresholds of these different brain wave activations to to create inputs. So when I was messing with this back in the day, I was living in my parents' house because I was in like high school, I think. And my parents or my brother or someone would come up to the computer desk and like talk to me. And I'd be like trying to play some game or something. And I'd look and go to talk to them and just everything starts happening because trying to play some game or something and I'd look and go to talk to them and just everything starts happening. Cause I'm, my, my face is moving and it used facial muscles as some of the inputs. Uh,

and then you're also thinking about your response and all this kind of stuff. You're not focused on the game anymore. So just everything would go nuts. It was kind of funny cause I'll like beg people not to talk to me while I was playing with it because everything just gets screwed up. Oh yeah. Anyways, I would like proper advancements in this technology, I think would have been really cool. But anyways. Anything from you? Oh, I thought you did a really great job. Okay. I have nothing to add.

Sounds good. What's up my fellow Wanners. Linus, given the option, would you ever replace any of your limbs or organs and become a cyborg? I've been legally blind since I was 11 and have always dreamt of robo eyes. Yes, absolutely, but I don't think I would want to and still until it was like becoming a problem. I never asked for this Yeah, I I think I'm on the same page cuz like I've known Firm from very young that my knees are gonna go probably pretty relatively young So that's one of the reasons that I avoid high-impact sports altogether. I don't run So if I'm gonna go out for a jog, I've put on roller blades like I do not

jog So if I'm gonna go out for a jog, I've put on roller blades like I do not jog I'll bike I'll roller blade. I will elliptical I will I'll go on the stairs stair master. No problem, but I'm not I'm not jogging. I'm not running Imagine some badminton movements aren't awesome for that. I won't play and facilities I won't play at facilities that don't have a cushioned floor. Yeah. And I don't even mean just like a vinyl cushion or like a foam or whatever. I mean like a proper sprung, like dance floor or like a sprung floor, which makes a huge difference in terms of the impact. And so I work to keep my knees strong. But, you know,

I've known from very young that it runs thick in my family that my knees are probably going to fall apart in my forties. So if I had the opportunity to put like way better ones in, I wouldn't hesitate for a second. I'd go for it if they were just like my original ones, but like better. And if I could do the same thing for things like vision, as long as the risk is low, I'd be pretty stoked for it. I don't think I'd want to just jump on it. But like similarly, there's, you know, I've got some problemos. And if they crossed a line, if I'm no longer able to do certain

things or whatever, yeah, sure. Yeah, of course. From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. What's that a quote from? 40k. Okay. And there's, so yeah, for sure. But there's also variants of it from like everything. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I wanted to go into biomedical engineering for a long time to kind of perpetuate the cybernetic things. Okay. Well, I didn't know it was quite that far. Genesis 8925 asks, would you go full borg? Go full borg?

Yeah. I wouldn't. Here's my issue though, is I would only want to live forever if everyone that I liked would also live forever. And they wouldn't. They wouldn't do that. They'd just be like, nah. So I'm what? I'm gonna live forever by myself? That's lame. I'd go for it. Do you see a future where they become extremely common and then we start offering LTT brand, like, replacement parts on LTT store? Like, you get LTT store brand knees? No. The, like, the open source and maker community gets behind it? I got my new arm and it's pink and orange and it's so cute.

Lambo edition. Lambo edition. Lambo edition, forearms baby. Maybe the cyberpunk future is not that bad if if open source and right to repair people are like still doing great. Right to repair your body. Yeah that's one of the reasons why I wanted to get into it so bad. I'm gonna own that. We don't even do food stuffs on our store. We don't even sell anything people ingest because of the liability concerns. You wouldn't do a leg? We're not going to do body parts. Why not? We're not going to do body parts. What do you mean? You don't want people to have trust me pro warranties on their other literal legs? Well what I literally

don't want to do is be responsible for someone's broken legs. You just replace them. They could just get new ones. You don't have to worry about your legs breaking because you just get new ones. That's the whole point of it. My son's legs malfunctioned and he ran off a cliff. I would like to warranty my son, please. It's going to cost $10,000 for his new back that has to come out of your.

Luckily it's the Cyberpunk features. You can realistically just replace everything. So it's fine. Yeah, I had to print a new kid. This sucks. You had to print a new kid! You owe me $45. I'm gonna leave you a negative review on our Google mind palace.

Okay. Up next, I dream of the future a lot if you can tell. Hi Optilinus Prime, Bumblebee Luke and Megatron Dan. As a product company, I'm interested in your insight on what I assume are insane logistics for companies with major annual releases, for example, phones or games. I would hate to be responsible for making sure that there are enough iPhones on September the whatever. Yeah.

Like, honestly, I had someone- Sounds not that hard if you're Nvidia. I think it was on Reddit. Someone was asking me, you know, hey, what's up with you guys, like, shipping your backpacks in waves, like after you launch? And I'm like, I am not Apple. Like this is this may surprise our regular viewers. But in the grand scheme of

things, we are a pretty small company. So when we launch a new product that we conceivably could sell 10s of 1000s of units of it is not manageable for our cash flow to just like, like, like make all of it that we could possibly ever need, distribute it globally, and then build up with our production capacity, build up stock levels such that on launch day, everyone who could possibly want one can buy one and get it immediately.

It's just not viable. And so, you know, you look at some of the world's most successful companies and what they actually do really well is like, is Apple a technology company? Yeah, but they could be the greatest technology company in the world and they wouldn't be worth trillions of dollars. What they are is a logistics and operations company. The fact that they execute what they do with the kind of precision that they do is honestly as impressive as what they do technologically, if not more so sometimes. Some of the tech stuff they do is really cool,

man, you've seen the Tandemo led iPad. But man, the logistics of it is incredible, incredible. Like just go to some other country But man, the logistics of it is incredible. Incredible. Like just go to some other country and like walk into an Apple store. Be like, think about how hard it is to train any one person to do anything. Go to some other country and just be,

walk into an Apple store and you're like, oh, this is an Apple store, but en France. How did they, how did they do that? That's incredible. I think it's crazy that like, it's incredible. You can get a can of Coke, like almost quite literally anywhere in the world. Yeah.

Like that's actually wild. Like, yeah, it's worthless sugar water. So are they a beverage company? No. They have agreements with people to keep it cold. They're a sales and logistics company and it's incredible. Yeah. Last one I got for you today.

Hey, Dan's and those on when Linus, I have an ongoing bet that the GTA six will release prior to you painting and finishing the bike. Impossible. I will do it. Have you made any progress? Yes. I don't have any pictures. Uh, oh, hold on.

Where's my phone? Yeah, I got it. There's a phone in your back pocket. There's a what now? Oh, that's, it doesn't have a sim in it right now. Um, my wife. There's a phone in your back pocket. There's a what now? Oh, that doesn't have a sim in it right now. My wife, let's find out if she's at home. Ben Mitchell said, in some parts of Mexico,

you can only buy Coke, not water, and it's also cheaper. I actually knew that. That's absurd. I think I've talked before about how I just wanted to work for McDonald's. Hi lady, are you at home? Could I ask you a favor? Maybe. Do you mind

teasing Dan a couple pictures of the like, bike progress? Thanks lady. Okay, bye. Okay, Yvonne is gonna team Stan some pictures of bike progress. So I will show you guys, I will show you real progress. Nice.

You will probably not be very impressed because it really does not look like much right now, but it's something, it's something. Oh, there's an in there. There's a new one. Hello, Lycus, Lunisism, and Daniel. Linus, as someone with experience, can you give any advice on how one might perform a hostile takeover of the company they work for, asking for a friend? I never took over NCIX. The only thing that I did was I bought the intellectual property

assets that were the Linus Tech Tips YouTube channel and linustechtips.com, which at the time was like a barely active blog. And then later, with some help became the LTT forum. So it really it was me negotiating the purchase of an asset, not really orchestrating any kind of like company takeover. Now I would love to collect what remains of the skeleton of NCIX and, and breathe new life into it. That would actually, that would actually be super cool. Pretty sick. It would be super cool. But up until now, we have not been able to reach an agreement that has been mutually agreed upon

by all parties who would need to be involved in it. So. It's interesting because over time it's value agreed upon by all parties who would need to be involved in it. So... It's interesting because over time its value rapidly approaches zero. Yeah. What value would it have to literally anyone other than you right now? Very little. I can't think of literally anything. Like it's a four letter dot com, but it's like a gobbledygook four letter dot com.

Like it is nothing. Also people don't care anymore. Oh dude, the NCIX brand is. No, I don't mean the brand. Oh. I don't think people care about four letter domains anymore. Oh, interesting. People are typing in domains.

Like you mean dot coms. Yeah. Yeah, oh. Yeah, you're probably right. It's apps and searches. It's not, no one cares anymore. I mean, they still cost money. Of course. But it's not like it used to be where you could just. It's apps and searches. It's not, no one cares anymore. I mean, they still cost money. Of course.

But it's not like it used to be where you could just- It used to be prestigious. You could camp a domain and literally the value of it would be parabolic over time. Got your pics, x.com though. Yeah, and no one cares. Yeah. Which is my point.

My silent protest every time I go to that site is I type twitter.com. Yeah, sure. Cause it's actually not like slower. Also your browser is just gonna auto complete. Yeah. Like I really, the short domain thing, like it's still cool and like some old heads will see it

and be like, oh, sweet. But like almost no one cares. And me in floatplane chat says years ago, I saw people type Facebook login instead of Facebook.com into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter anymore. So like your domain is unimportant,

it doesn't matter now. Your brand name got trashed on the way out anyways, and no one cares, and it's been a long time, and everyone's forgotten. So like. I haven't forgotten. Yeah. I would like to bring back

But again. ncdx.com Other than you, it doesn't have value to anyone. I also don't think anyone else would really have a shot at it. Do anything with it. Yeah. What would we do with it?

I already know, but. Body parts. Yeah, what would you do? Like stop. So legs! Legs, Linus. It's the new frontier! Dad, nobody wants leg! Everyone's trying to get rid of leg! Ah, but okay, if if computer starts getting less interesting... There it is. Oh. If computers start getting less interesting, you could start reviewing body parts. We're not gonna use it for reviews. Why review a monitor

when you could review a cybernetic eye? Yeah, we gotta get over this cake-less thing that's happened. Return Linus's cake. Cybernetic cake. 2024 Linus cake is this year's model is way worse. More Linus less cake. A lot less fun this year. Let's look at motorbike pictures.

All right, let's look at some of the pictures. Okay so these are these are testers. The finished color is going to be the one that's in the bottom right. So that's the same pink that is in the top left, but with the effect layer that's on the top right over top of it. Okay, I feel like I like the top left one most, but the lighting on this is also- Yes, it's suspect. It's suspect.

So here's some primed plastic parts, and as well as my primed wheels. One or two of them need some sanding and maybe a quick reattempt at the priming, but they're pretty okay. And that is the front... Bloody hell. Farring.

And that is the... That's it. That's all I got. Okay. Jeez. And I guess I've got one more merch message and that's about it. Yo, how do you guys measure input latency? I stream to my stream deck and latency is completely negligible for most games,

but others I think I barely notice. Can't tell if it's in my head or not. Do we have an article? There's actually an overlay for depending what streaming thing you're using. There should be an overlay that shows you what your latency is. I can promise you it is not negligible, but depending on the games you're playing, it can be way less noticeable. So tape to tape, for example, everybody remote plays in and it's pretty great. So hold on a second, they're talking about like in-home streaming though.

Yeah, but they asked how do we measure in-home latency and I thought it was interesting. There's an article in the labs written by Oni with James and Antoine doing the- And they did ask how we do it. And this is how labs conduct tests on mice. And if you scroll down a little bit, they have the latency and sensor test section.

This is a very cool article, check it out. Yeah. All right, that's mostly it for the show, but there is a quick last thing. I did end up watching some of Lewis's video that he uploaded shortly before the WAN show last week. I don't think I made through quite as much of it as Dr. Ian Cutress did. Yeah, he got through 20 minutes before deciding it was, quote, not worth the mental effort. What I saw so far seems to be a classic bad faith, assume the absolute worst load of bullsh-t, frankly. The main premise for his medical diagnosis of me with a personality disorder appears to be that I can never admit when I'm wrong but my first interaction with this man was to admit that I was wrong in public and

Cordially invite him to collaborate so that we could correct the record in front of 2.2 million people Literally this is the first interaction we ever have, where I say, I was wrong, show me the right way to do it, so that I can show my viewers. There's also a bit in here about how I intentionally texted the wrong number for Steve. No, of course it wasn't intentional. You'd be in a difficult mental state too in that situation. But and this is going to just blow up the narrative. I'm going to take that feedback and get that mistake removed and or we'll add the context that while yes, Steve does have the number active, he primaries a different number. Anyway, maybe there's an appropriate time and place to address the rest of this stuff

But y'all are clearly tired of hearing about it here. So we're gonna see you again next week same bad time same bad channel Bye That was my cybernetic arm I liked it I had to run the wave function.