The WAN Show - Elon Musk vs. MrBeast - WAN Show January 5, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 summer's here and you can now get almost anything you need delivered with uber eats what do we mean by almost you can't get a well-groomed lawn delivered but you can get chicken parmesan delivered sunshine no some wine yes get almost almost anything delivered with uber eats order now alcohol and select markets see after details what is up everyone and welcome to the wancho happy new year it's a new year same me a whole new year yep it's a whole different number in the date no new no new year resolutions wow not even 16k good joke good job linus x can't afford mr beast uh mr beast and elon musk went back i don't know if there was much forth, but they definitely discussed the issue on X Twitter. What was the X was formerly X Twitter,

Starting point is 00:00:51 X Twitter. That's what, Hey, that actually works. Does anyone else call it X Twitter? No, but I kind of like it. Cool.

Starting point is 00:00:57 Um, so we'll be talking about that as well as just sort of creator monetization and why it is such a challenge for platforms like x twitter to afford a creator like mr beast um the manufacturer sabotaged polish trains with drm so we'll be talking a little bit about that what else we got did i manage to pick your two uh you got one of them yes i'm now looking for a replacement and also trying to find the one that oh yeah international hackers hit uh water supply infrastructure scary anytime anyone hits infrastructure it's kind of like oh everyone kind of realizes that that can happen again for the however many of the time yeah yeah oh yeah

Starting point is 00:01:37 that thing yeah yeah that's that's why the nuclear football uses like floppy disks or whatever it does that's it you got one but what about the drug dealers and the drones it's like a year old article i guess there's there's follow-up information that's more new so yeah drug uh drug dealers are using they're using drones uh because they'll use anything uh the last thing i saw was avocados um cool i know they've put them in submarines this week before ces is historically a super super slow week for news because everyone is saving everything for next week but everyone's saving everything everyone's on vacation we can talk through some leaks and stuff it'll be fun it'll still be a good show you guys don't even watch this for the news why who cares

Starting point is 00:02:25 so why don't we jump into our first topic today which is a pretty small topic all things considered mr beast recently had a random crypto enthusiast respond to him promoting a video on twitter that he should hey you know mr beast jimmy why don't you upload the video directly to the platform instead of just posting a link to where people can go watch the video which historically does not perform very well compared to an organic tweet now obviously it's mr beast so his video his post is just i uploaded go watch or i'll drop kick you and it has 66 000 likes yeah but for him that is not a ton of engagement that's that's you know on the lower side so that's been the case for a long time just you know simple short self-promotional

Starting point is 00:03:41 tweets don't perform as well as when you try and come up with something really engaging and really unique that serves the Twitter audience really well. So it's a really valid question. Why not just upload the content here and people can just watch it? And Jimmy responded saying, okay, hold on. First, Elon Musk pitched and he goes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 10,000 likes. 10,000 likes.

Starting point is 00:04:05 10,000 likes. And so Jimmy responded with, I think, a really actually succinct version of what I'll kind of try and talk to you guys about. And fair. He basically goes, my videos cost millions to make. And even if they got a billion views on X, it wouldn't fund a fraction of it. Colon forward slash face. I'm down to test stuff once monetization is really cranking. And this is a really good point that I think a lot of people

Starting point is 00:04:35 don't necessarily understand about platforms. I've been asked a thousand times about at least multiple dozens of alternate platforms linus why don't you upload your videos here i was about to say to x as a as a just a variable that doesn't work okay linus why don't you upload your videos to data motion except we did yeah. Why don't you upload your videos to Dailymotion? Why don't you upload them to Rumble or Odyssey or any of the countless alternate video platforms? And the answer is always, guys, the economics of it just don't make any sense

Starting point is 00:05:19 because it can only be one of two ways, right? You've either got the ability to get a lot of views with a very, very low per view monetization rate. That's YouTube. Or you've got the ability to get very few views with a very high monetization rate. So that's gonna be something more along the lines of like a, what's that?

Starting point is 00:05:44 Not masterclass, but the one where it's like like it pays out based on how many views you get. I can't remember. But, you know, something like selling a course or something like that. That's just about the highest possible CPM you can get because each individual who buys the course is going to pay $10 or $ 50 or 100 or whatever the case may be so there's your spectrum and the problem is that unless your name is google and you happen to own youtube at least this is true in the western world the economics of anything that's not paying like this getting less than hundreds of thousands or millions of views just doesn't make any sense.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Floatplane sits kind of somewhere in between where people pay anywhere from the OGs pay $3 a month, anywhere up to I think our highest tier is $10 a month. And even then, you know, we have to put a ton of work into making that platform appealing to people. We have to upload a bunch of extra content. So it ends up being kind of a mix. It ends up being our regular content at a much higher monetization rate, but then it ends up being this other much higher cost content

Starting point is 00:06:58 at a, I shouldn't say higher cost, it's lower cost, but it's not going to other platforms that also contribute to it. So floatplane has to bear that cost completely on its own. So we have this other sort of exclusive or behind the scenes or whatever else it is content that sits on there that is paid for by those subscribers. So that kind of sits somewhere in between. So there's kind of your spectrum. And the reality of it is that Twitter, exTwitter's monetization is just not even close. Even if you're a person sitting in front of your webcam,

Starting point is 00:07:32 I am not sure if even at, you know, let's forget about MrBeast because there's only one person. If we do the math based on MrBeast, there's only one person to whom that's relevant. Yeah. And his name is Jimmy. Whereas if we talk the math based on mr beast there's only one person to whom that's relevant yeah and his name is jimmy um whereas if we talk about it maybe more along the lines of let's say someone who would have a quarter million to a million subscribers on youtube okay so you're someone

Starting point is 00:07:56 who's getting realistically it's probably somewhere between 10 15 000 views a video to you know maybe 250 000 views a video somewhere in that range even if you could port your entire youtube audience over to x twitter you'd be looking at maybe tens of dollars for that video which if it's just you and a webcam may actually be viable. But if it's anything beyond that, you're probably paying yourself less than minimum wage. And you might say, okay, well, are you really though? Because it's just purely incremental, right?

Starting point is 00:08:41 Like why not just have the little X cherry on top of all your views on YouTube or whatever else? But you got to understand from a creator's point of view at least if you're a business-minded one there's an opportunity cost for everyone who watches on this platform where the monetization is very low anywhere you're uploading you're theoretically trying to drive more people there so like if it's worse why are you driving people there? Especially when most of the people looking for videos are probably going to be on YouTube anyways.

Starting point is 00:09:10 When you're looking for publicly, freely accessible videos. So people often ask themselves or ask out loud even, you know, why is it that YouTube has this seeming monopoly on VOD content? And there's a lot of answers for how it came to be the way that it is right now. But as for why it is the way it is right now, you know, why are why do Twitch streamers want to get a foothold on YouTube? Why do TikTokers want to make a transition over to YouTube? The answer is simple. And it's that people like to be paid for their work, and YouTube offers by far the best compensation for their work. And that's not, it's not just like, oh, it's all about the money.

Starting point is 00:09:52 It's like, think about it this way. If in the morning you got dressed, brushed your teeth, ate some oatmeal, and you had the option to go to one of six different places and one of them paid the most and you did the exact same job and your job wasn't you know to manufacture um you know the train that runs over people or you know the lever that doesn't seem to work to prevent the train from running over people or you know whatever the case may be as long as what you're doing is not you know obviously morally abhorrent yeah well which one do you drive to i i think it's a pretty obvious answer you go to the one that compensates you best

Starting point is 00:10:38 and youtube has this for better or for worse very powerful machine that ensures that if you are able to get views on the platform you are able to be paid luke's calling someone yeah don't worry about it well this is very interesting i know i would i would love to know who we're going to be talking to live on the show today are we planning to tell them they're live on the show we're not talking to anybody live on the show we are not talking to anybody we're not talking to them okay wow this is very mysterious anyway um we have we actually do have monetization enabled on x twitter and i thought i would just share with you guys uh we don't upload a ton of video but we have uploaded some videos that have gotten thousands of views or whatever.

Starting point is 00:11:27 Typically, man, I'm trying to think. I actually don't know what a thousand views is worth on YouTube. It varies a lot, but the point is we have a pretty active Twitter account, fair amount of engagement, and this should give you some idea of why people don't really um why someone like

Starting point is 00:11:46 jimmy might not bother so here's all of our all of our payouts um for the last i guess you know three months or whatever um anywhere from you know 60 60 oh this i mean this could be 65 anything oh 65 99 okay i don't know it could have been there could have been another there could have been another digit in there or something like that um let's say for the sake of argument how many typical views does jimmy get on a video 50 million to 100 million is that a pretty fair range why don't we say 100 million sounds fair i don't really look at them but that sounds about right so let So let's say Jimmy is 100 times our size. Let's say we get 1 million.

Starting point is 00:12:28 Let's take kind of a mid to upper range for him. Let's take a lower range for us. We typically get a million to 2 million. So let's say we get a million views a video. And let's say he gets 100 million views a video. He's 100 times our size. He would make, let's say, for the sake of argument. Did you say 50 to 100?

Starting point is 00:12:44 Yeah. None of his get 50 oh okay so he's way above that now yeah okay i haven't looked in a while yeah usually it's like like 80 to 200 is where i'm seeing most of them okay so let's say 150 so let's say okay let's say he's 150 times our size so he would get around 10 grand from twitter assuming he had a similar strategy to us you know trying to kind of post every day and meme or you know whatever else that is i mean the that is not even a rounding error um for him like i just it just it doesn't it doesn't register he could he could literally make an offhand comment about man i'm trying to think of something totally totally trivial like it like he could he could

Starting point is 00:13:35 do a special edition popsicle stick with like mr beast on it and that's it's nothing else it's a popsicle stick it sounds like a uh it sounds like a supreme drop yeah and then he could make a tweet about the popsicle stick and it would eclipse his twitter revenue that he actually makes organically from the platform like it's just it's just not a factor for someone like that um so that's that's that's why i just don't think that as much as people want to see it you're gonna see this mass exodus from youtube anytime soon or ever such a ever such a big word but i just don't see anyone else even really trying like bite dance tiktok maybe had an opportunity but they haven't managed to figure out either the monetization of the platform itself

Starting point is 00:14:27 or they haven't figured out how to share in a way that is enticing to creators. Like you still have people trying to migrate, trying to migrate their audiences. What do you want to talk about next? How about the AI key? Oh, yeah. Windows machines atrosoft's behest are getting a new key on the keyboard

Starting point is 00:14:50 for what is this the first time since the windows key was added in 1994 yeah it's come on tell us about it yeah you must love this it's great ai key i think it could make sense eventually okay let's let's make a lot of sense now basically it's a key that opens up um whatever they call it windows copilot um which if you end up using windows copilot in a very similar way that you would use windows search then i think it kind of makes sense right now that's super obviously not worth doing so maybe it's a little premature i'm telling dan before the show this feels kind of like when facebook renamed to meta it feels like they're investing an immense amount of money not really getting the product that they want and then doing something that feels more like a marketing push than anything else

Starting point is 00:15:51 to try to stir more news and more push around it because they still want this thing that they've sunk billions of dollars into to be more relevant than it is the ai space is moving fast and very exciting but is hurting on actual products that are usable by users um i i pointed this out a really long time ago it was going to be hard for people to actually ship um and a lot of things that people have wanted from the ai space have had issues shipping um including copilot so yeah it feels premature to me i think one day i will probably actually like this but something that they would need to do is change windows search back to actually searching your computer instead of being this like weird internet thing because then if they had one button that was like this is local and they had another button

Starting point is 00:16:43 that was like this is ai stuff and it can search the yeah uh the internet and it can give me links and it can do whatever that would actually be probably useful i think one thing that's fairly telling is it's on the right side of the keyboard isn't it yeah yeah the area no one uses uh here we actually have some of the least cast pressed keys we actually have a bigfoot sighting style picture yeah there's better ones yeah no no just go on tom's hardware which is the source of this this is intentionally terrible uh so just go on tom's hardware look at it yourself you know we're not trying to you're not trying to take their clicks or whatever but i think it's this one yeah it's i think it's to the left of the Windows key. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:33 Speaking of ridiculous things that Microsoft has embedded in their operating system to push their other stuff, we're getting super close to antitrust Microsoft time again here, I think. I was not aware of this. Did you know that there is a dedicated Windows shortcut key or a dedicated windows shortcut to open up linkedin oh that's what i was gonna troll you with oh okay yeah someone posted it in chat there's a lot more than just that actually there's like um yeah so check check this out check this out guys uh we're going to line this laptop okay hold on hold on no no wait we can look at control alt shift win l opens linked opens linked it but there's also key combinations for word excel powerpoint outlook teams one drive one note

Starting point is 00:18:15 and teams you don't need a you don't need a shortcut for teams you need a shortcut to make teams go away yeah yep man if i don't know if there's anything that makes me more angry what about when it forcibly logs you out and then you can't even minimize it because it keeps forcing its thing up yeah yeah that so you're like working on something important and it logs you out randomly in the background and you have to go through its entire login process or else it'll force itself to the front of screen it is amazing remarkable how bad that design is i also just don't really understand why it logs me out we've we've looked into it you can't configure it to not do that it'll log me out while i'm literally in the middle of using it i i was on a team's call today, hung up, and then it logged me out. I find the approach that some services take to security very confusing.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Like, if you're going to make the argument that I should be signed out every month because something, then fine, okay, well, do it on my phone and on my laptop and on my desktop. But then you have something like Gmail gmail for example which logs you out i'm trying to think man it says every month but i swear my work computer is way more often than that there's no way that that only comes up 12 times a year but on your phone never logs you out and you could kind of go okay well yeah but you've got you know biometric authentication on your phone or whatever but i'm sitting here going well yeah but i have biometric authentication on my computer which one's more likely to get

Starting point is 00:19:54 stolen just check yeah which one's more likely to get left in a coffee shop at least have some consistency to this and there's no consistency between the various tech giants i mean okay whatsapp a great example for years facebook would allow you to leave whatsapp signed in perpetually on your phone but wouldn't allow you to have it signed in or cloud synchronized with any other phone now they do that and just you know i don't know, why'd you change that? I'm not sure. But on the computer would log you out like all the time, like I think it would stay logged at 714 days or something like that. And then meanwhile, you've got something like teams that logs you out on your phone all the time, instead of just being like, Oh, yeah, no, no, the phone

Starting point is 00:20:40 is the single source of truth that you know, you can use to authenticate your other devices. And then, you know, Google's really funny because they'll sign you. I'm trying to think of what, no, they don't sign you out of anything on your phone, but they are constantly signing you out on your computer. And then I'm trying to think if there's anyone that doesn't, that never signs you out on your computer. Um, can't think of it. Can't think of anything right now.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There's one. And it's like gaming stuff. No, I can't think of it can't think of anything right now yeah okay yeah there's one and it's like gaming stuff no i can't think of any productivity like work productivity style apps that don't log you out high value accounts though steam like the value of my steam account compared to like my stupid throwaway hotmail account or something which by the way no hotmail you can tell to never sign you out oh well you're because your windows account is uh is tied to your computer right or your your uh your windows left so it's like it's it's flipping arbitrary so on my computer if it's my microsoft account that i use to log in for authentication i can stay signed in perpetually but on my phone where

Starting point is 00:21:43 it's where it's managed by my organization, and if there was ever a problem, we can just recover it, no problem. You have to sign me out every 30 days. The whole thing is completely arbitrary. Nobody agrees. Yeah. You want to hear an interesting one?

Starting point is 00:22:01 Yeah. Recommended by password managers, people are starting to store their 2fa in their password managers and there are security arguments for this from that's not what to do password managers and security researchers what yeah oh okay you're gonna have to okay back me up so people oh a big people are storing their 2fa backup codes yeah in their password manager yeah well now we're back to just one password again and that was a pun yeah it's not a pun but it's a it's one password actually does recommend this no

Starting point is 00:22:37 a like surprising amount of other people do this too it's interesting to me the one of the big arguments for it is there's just no point in not because if they have this they have that and i was like hmm a kind of interesting argument because like if if someone gets into your password manager do they really not also have your 2fa uh they might just have the one 2fa i mean one of the ways that people commonly get past 2fas is by spamming login attempts and then like calling you in the middle of the night and you know trying to get it or whatever else like while you're groggy and stuff like they could social engineer one 2fa away from you without having

Starting point is 00:23:28 access to your 2fa account so no i actually what they're saying is if they if they had the if they had access to your password vault yeah they may as well just have access to your 2fa but they don't because i don't store that password in my password vault. Your password for your 2FA? Yeah, I haven't memorized. Yeah. See, this is why I don't like it. But this is like actually an argument that's being made by like smart people,

Starting point is 00:23:57 which I find very interesting. Store 2FA in. Let's see. now i'm sad they even tell you when they give you the backup codes they're like write this down print it out that's what you're supposed to do backup codes are not those are different things oh okay i thought you were saying that people were putting the backup codes some people do that too but that's that's not i don't think that in particular is recommended just the 2fa so you can you can have like rolling 2fa but then the password for it is in your password manager that's so stupid like you can literally have it to the point where when you when you go like oh fill my login info for this site it'll fill the login and password and then

Starting point is 00:24:39 when the 2fa comes up it'll just automatically fill the 2fa and then you're fully logged no i i hate the tedium of 2fa as much as probably anyone i kind of one of the reasons why i'm bringing this up is i want people to like yell at me about why it's fine because i don't really get it because it doesn't seem fine to me no it's not fine yeah i strongly disagree yeah no no poll we really have to pull this you guys i know i well yeah fine i'll do i'll do a poll uh safe to store to fa password in your password manager so is that is that what what we're asking uh sure yeah okay i uh guys i don't know man okay let's let's bring up the results results time yeah no there's like 10 oh oh it's swinging it's swinging the people who were very angry about this were super quick to click no. Oh, shoot. It's covered a little bit.

Starting point is 00:25:49 There you go. Got that fixed for you. So it looks like by the time the dust settles, anywhere between a quarter of you, probably about a quarter of you, think that it's totally fine to store your 2FAs in there. It's definitely more convenient. It's definitely more convenient. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:04 And, I mean, if you gave me the option you know 10 years ago when we were just getting into the idea of biometric security if you gave me the option to have a setup like this where i have to memorize one password that i just enter all the time or if i have to start like entering my fingerprints and, you know, retinal scans and Iris scans and facial scans into every electronic device in my life, I would, I would probably have taken this path even with all the compromises. Here,

Starting point is 00:26:36 check this out. Like this is, this is where like, man, I find this so interesting. Here's an article on blog.onepassword.com. And there are other, I'm just using them as an example. There are other password vault, password storage, password security sites that say the exact same thing. I'm just using one password as an example,

Starting point is 00:26:58 because this is the first one that I found. You've probably heard or read the advice, turn on two-factor authentication everywhere it's offered. After all, it's a great way to add an extra layer of protection to your online accounts but should that include your one password account the short answer is no wait that's a completely different thing this is this is a different thing wait what they're saying not to turn on two-factor authentication on a password manager we need to unpack what 2fa does and how your data is protected by one password security model this isn't the article that i meant to bring up but it's like there's still okay there's so many hot takes in the one password hold on blog hold on what no i'm sorry i i can i can how is

Starting point is 00:27:38 it secured by design okay you're you're scrolling where do you want me to stop i don't know you keep just well i know what two-factor authentication is so we can go past that how is it secure by design okay you choose this password we don't know it and it's never stored on our servers your secret key is a long series yeah but that's not what the are they high that's not how little what the fuck here we go here we go here we go that is terrible advice here we go manages to obtain an encrypted copy of your data from our servers that's not that's not that's such a that's such an outlier scenario that's not scenario one that's scenario seven a criminal guesses your account we're not talking about guessing from a new device without your secret key. That's only stored on your devices, so you don't have

Starting point is 00:28:28 to type it every time you unlock 1Password in your printable emergency key. Wait, isn't that just a second factor then? Well, what they're saying is like, I think what they're saying is if you sign in a new location, you have to authenticate that new location. I think that's what they're saying. You wouldn't be able to sign into your account from a new device

Starting point is 00:28:43 without your secret key. That piece of information of information okay so then hold on one password is just saying they already have 2fa i guess this this isn't the page yeah i'm gonna go okay all right so that's that's fine then because they already have a second authentication factor i mean okay i have uh i have a remote access um service that I use that I do not have, you know, 2FA. Like, I don't have it in Google Authenticator, right? Because every time I sign on from a new location, I have to validate via some other means. So, I don't need that. That's just really misleading.

Starting point is 00:29:22 But also recommending against adding additional factors is interesting to me yeah i do see their point that two factors is probably enough factors that you're going to get a notification that somebody's trying to sign in static and you're going to get a chance to deal with it um however i wish i could find this article i disagree that all factors are made equal i don't think that that should be their default factor. Even, um, like their default second factor,

Starting point is 00:29:49 something that is static, uh, like, uh, it's almost like a, like a physical key, a physical key can be copied. Whereas a key that changes every time you use the lock cannot be copied.

Starting point is 00:30:00 And that's how something like Google authenticator works. Oh, I wish I could find it i know they have an article on this i found someone talking about the article because i can't find the actual root all someone would have to do is have your computer compromised with a key logger at a time when you are re-authenticating and they could force you to re-authenticate if they had some kind of access to your machine that allowed them to reroute you through a VPN or something because then it would appear as though you were logging in from another location so I know I'm asking for a

Starting point is 00:30:34 lot of stars to align but that's not that far-fetched for someone to have some kind of for someone to have if they have some kind of malware on your machine i don't think it's that far-fetched that they could route you through some kind of um remote location and that they could have a keylogger installed i don't i don't think that's like science fiction um so this this reads different than the last time I saw it. I don't know if it's been edited or maybe I'm remembering an article from someone else and just found this one first. So my memory might be skewed, but here's the article. It was linked in, in flow plane chat by a few different people.

Starting point is 00:31:18 Um, but yeah, one password in two FAs, is it wrong to store passwords and one-time codes together? And to be clear again, one password is not the only company that supports this they like all do i think i'm pretty sure last pass does i know keeper does and clearly one password does and i think the other ones do as well um and yeah they argue that it's like secure and fine but they also say you know the correct choice is the one that works best for you you apparently okay so this is apparently the um the the one password um key is only entered when you first set it up yeah okay okay well then that's not too bad because they'd have to have the key logger at the time you first set it up yeah they might

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Starting point is 00:32:38 Stack more, spend less. Like, way less. The Happy Stack. Only at Kudo. Now with internet. Man. It's not as bad as I thought it was. Not even close, but I'm not a huge fan. And I also don't really like the advice of not having...

Starting point is 00:32:57 Okay, I should clarify. When I say I don't like the advice of not adding multiple factors, I don't mean adding multiple alternate factors i was dismayed when i realized that the way that google accounts handle a um a physical device like a ub key if you don't have your ub key and you set up like when i when i initially set it up i was like it was at a time when i think we had just had an account compromised or something like that and i was going like i want three factors

Starting point is 00:33:29 i want my password i want my ubq oh yeah and i want my authenticator app some sites worked this way for a very brief period of time and now i don't know of any that work and what i didn't realize at the time was i was adding or factors some of of them were and. Not and factors. Some were and. Google wasn't. Yeah. I don't know of anything that is now, like I just said. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:50 But for a little brief period of time, when we first got our YubiKeys, some sites were and. And that was actually very cool. Because if you wanted like hyper security, it felt like you had the, you know, the two nuclear keys or whatever. But yeah, now it's just like various ways to bypass the thing um i don't know there's also i've found a lot of places that accept ub keys require two different ones yeah which is like so it's like yes i can use my high security ub key and i also have to have sms authentication enabled it's like the very worst time sick yeah i don't know um yubi key has gotten i find with a lot of things that we use it's gotten a little bit less useful over the years uh because more and more places that do support it require you to have two enabled and

Starting point is 00:34:44 less and less places seem to support it. M4TZESS says, if a key logger is on your system, you're already compromised. That's sort of true because in many cases you are, well, the expectation, one of the reasons that you should use autofill

Starting point is 00:35:00 with a password manager is that it makes it so you don't have to type your passwords. So if someone has a key logger even if they have man even if they've they've got you good and they have you know remote access to your screen um unless they can also access your clipboard um yeah man even if they can access your clipboard the autofill service i don't believe copies the plain text of your password to the clipboard so as long as you're not control c control v pasting your passwords i i'm sure there's a way but it would be very difficult

Starting point is 00:35:41 to get passwords even if you had even if they had your clipboard and even if they had a keylogger and even if they could see your screen because almost every password field that i've seen in the last 10 years just uses asterisks or dots or whatever else instead of actually pasting the text in there one password apparently clears the clipboard after a time delay uh as far as i know it just edits the html doesn't copy your password yeah yeah all right quinno says be careful seemingly giving security advice uh i think what we're saying is fine seemingly giving security advice uh i think what we're saying is fine yeah what we're saying that having more factors is good and if they're strong factors then that's better yeah what what i'm questioning is some people talking about how you can

Starting point is 00:36:35 my whole thing is i'm just very unsure about the idea of storing all of your two-factor in one application the main argument i'm seeing around it is in general if someone is going to have access to this thing they probably have access to your whole device um and that device is usually described as a phone um remote desktop plus autofill plus developer tools equals compromise without 2fa yeah there's lots of different yeah there's tons of different attack vectors yeah um i just question the idea of reducing the layers because it feels like reducing the layers and i understand some of the arguments like okay if they're literally in your phone then they already have it anyways

Starting point is 00:37:24 it's like well i don't know i don't know about that because like the things that i hear getting compromised more often these days are computers and i never have my two-factor authentication stuff on my computer i know some people do but i don't like i never run off. Some people run off in their browser. Really? Yeah. Oh, I don't do that. Okay.

Starting point is 00:37:49 Yeah. I mean, either. Yeah. That just, I mean, man, man,

Starting point is 00:37:53 I'm trying to think, is this, is this like a, is this like a subconscious bias or does this have a basis in reality? I just kind of think I've always wanted the separation. I think of windows computers as just like kind of probably compromised. Yeah. Am I just buying into the Apple messaging?

Starting point is 00:38:12 I don't know. Well, I do too. So I don't know. Like I, I don't want to be in a position where my computer is the sole portal to any account. But I mean,

Starting point is 00:38:22 in some cases you can't really avoid it but i don't i don't like it and i i do try to avoid it um um chow yi says uh you should disable autofill in your password manager settings because they can autofill malicious password boxes manually paste it every time instead i do that to be clear this is one of those things where i feel because i find keepers at least is so bad it doesn't work very well that it it'll also just like aggressively take over certain things or it'll decide that the wrong box is the right one and it won't let me progress on the website because it keeps trying

Starting point is 00:39:09 to spam into the wrong box which is really bad oh yeah okay that's uh that's a that's a that's a very interesting attack vector um and security is just such a such a myth man either way having a second factor definitely not a bad thing putting it all in one place i'm just not sure if i can agree with that i think that's really the bottom line for me um sms needs to completely not be a thing for for to fa uh do we want to move on to what are we supposed to do oh we're supposed to do oh oh my goodness yeah people people have i think found the uh the new item on the store yeah yeah people found it before the show is even live that's right my friends ludwig's bidet the swipe and swipe plus are now available on lttstore.com new year new clean in both elongated and round forms

Starting point is 00:40:20 okay so the swipe plus it's not inexpensive, but without giving you guys too much information, let me just say it gets pretty warm. The water gets pretty warm, which is good. It doesn't have RGB, but it does have some colors. we were told are best to avoid, but we definitely do have some nice different, you know, gamer colors that you can set your swipe plus to. We also have the regular swipe. Let's see if I can find that.

Starting point is 00:40:54 There it is. Much, much more economical. This one is not heated and doesn't have, you know, the fan and the carbon, you know, odor filter and all those kinds of wild features and everything it's just uh just a simple bidet why does ludwig have a bidet as far as i can tell it really is as simple as he thinks that people's butts should be cleaner

Starting point is 00:41:18 i i actually i i can't i i i i've i really have you know checked his i've talked to him about it i've checked his just external communications about it um i've i i i've i've tried to to kind of analyze what his motivation could possibly be for creating a product like this and why do you make a screwdriver because i just why do you make a backpack i think there should be a better screwdriver and i think towels be a better backpack why do you make a screwdriver because i just why do you make a backpack i think there should be a better screwdriver and i think towels be a better backpack why do you make a kid's book i why do you make kids toys because they i think they're good why are you making cable organizers because cables should be organized extension because the screwdriver needs to be longer sounds like the bidet is valid yeah um so anyway i, I, yeah, I checked his butthole.

Starting point is 00:42:06 It's super clean. I was just trying to get him. He's all focused on something else right now. So now. The knowledge of Ludwig's clean butthole is definitely something I needed to know. So now you can get the swipe and the swipe plus on lttstore.com. so now you can get the swipe and the swipe plus on lttstore.com uh this is i think the second non-lmg creator merch item that we've brought onto the store the man jerry rig knife the jerry everything knife has been a smash hit for us and maybe this will be a um splash it got him let's go yeah so someone asking uh brandon p lmg is asking wait can i

Starting point is 00:42:54 merch request a bidet i guess yeah i mean you there you go the the reality of it is that your your annual budget for stuff from ltTT store is your annual budget. And the stuff that we buy from Ludwig versus the stuff that we buy from a supplier. It's not like the LMG stuff is free. There is cost to these things regardless. Yeah, so the cost is the cost is the cost. And your budget is your budget is your budget. So I don't see why not no yeah um anyway yeah these are great i've been using one for the i've

Starting point is 00:43:35 had a swipe plus in my upstairs bathroom for six months or something like that it's i i would have considered one of these but i bought in too early before you started doing that because when there was the toilet paper shortages during the pandemic i was just like screw this man yeah and got a bidet yeah it i wasn't open to it until i traveled to japan yeah i was always like oh weird toilets uh-huh toilet paper makes so much sense toilet paper makes no sense toilet paper seems very very archaic and out of date at this point it really it really feels like like sure to you know to dry off or whatever but like what sorry i'm taking this like a whole wad of um Casey Herp J1 on the float plane on float plane chat says not open to bidets very clenched okay I go ahead stay clenched but uh anyway the point is uh what am I talking about

Starting point is 00:44:40 yeah like why why am I like you know getting my hand all up in there and, like, this wimpy paper and the manufacturing. You are literally manufacturing garbage when you make toilet paper. Why are we doing this? And, like, okay, a little bit is fine, you know, so your butt's not all wet when you pull your underwear up or whatever,

Starting point is 00:45:02 but, like, it just seems spectacularly wasteful and an affordable bidet like the swipe at 50 bucks will pay for itself it will pay yeah for itself yeah the the the the 50 one probably rather quickly actually yeah so i i yeah as soon as i as soon as i tried it in japan um like man the toilets they have over there it's like it's like they're amazing yeah it's like landing on an alien planet and they just have figured out waste disposal in ways that humans could never have imagined like i i've told this story on land show before but i we pulled over at a rest stop on a highway and the bathroom was so much nicer than anything i've seen in like you know a four-star hotel in you know north america like in a hotel lobby or like a you know an up-class restaurant you know i'm talking public washrooms obviously

Starting point is 00:45:59 right uh it was just everything was clean the lighting was so bright and the toilet seat was heated. And this is like in a shack at the side of the road, essentially. I don't even think there was a convenience store. Like, I couldn't believe it. Yeah, check teams. Yeah, it's, yeah, I don't know. I think for them too, it's like, it's, it's gotta be one of those things where I believe a lot of them are made there.

Starting point is 00:46:27 Um, and it's so ubiquitous there that the pricing is probably not as bad. Like when I tried to get a bidet here, it was kind of rough. But the pricing also just makes sense because you just do it once. Yeah. And then it's just, you just don't buy toilet paper. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:46 And over the span of your entire lifetime that you are alive, even a swipe plus will pay for itself. Yeah, because with my understanding, they don't really break that often either. Well, they're pretty simple devices. Yeah. Especially the basic one is like a valve and a dial you're still paying for water yeah we live somewhere where water is very cheap but i believe basically

Starting point is 00:47:10 everywhere that would still be a cheaper alternative than buying toilet paper yeah i think i i i find it hard to believe that a little bit of water uh would cost more than the paper that you would use for that because it's not it's not like that much water now obviously this i'm sure there's like an example of somewhere where that's not the case but i think most places that will be the case okay uh so anyway um why don't we do a couple merch messages oh right merch messages how do they work so instead of you know twitch bits or super chats or whatever else we have merch messages. How do they work? So instead of, you know, Twitch bits or Super Chats or whatever else, we have merch messages.

Starting point is 00:47:46 That way, whether we do or don't get to your message, hey, you get your high-quality merchandise from lttstore.com in the mail sometime after the show. So all you got to do is add the items that you're interested in to your cart, and then in the cart, you'll see a little box that'll have a place for you to fill in a merch message. That'll go to Producer Dan. Boop, there he is. Now he's gone, and he will the cart you'll see a little box that'll have a place for you to fill in a merch message that'll go to producer dan boop there he is now he's gone and he will reply to you or flag it for me and luke to respond to or send it to someone else internally who can answer

Starting point is 00:48:14 you or just pop it up on there if you have like a hey mom shout out and your mom watches wanshow which is unusual but not unheard of luke's mom watches wans yeah hi um yeah exactly uh why don't you show us a couple to kind of show us how it's done dan yeah sure thing first up here what is the weirdest or most obscure reason you've had to delay or cancel a product or project sorry oh man most of the reasons for us canceling projects usually come down to just them being fundamentally broken, like not, not working at all. Um,

Starting point is 00:48:52 I mean, I'm trying to think of something that we canceled recently. We, we didn't cancel, but we delayed a desk fan that is made out of e-waste hard drives recently. Um, desk fan that is made out of e-waste hard drives recently um and the reason for it was that the idea was that we would use the motor from the hard drive oh and we're probably still going to do it at some point but the issue was that if we just ran those motors with no particular protection so the so the first proof of concept i basically told the

Starting point is 00:49:26 engineer who showed it to me or the the person in the engineering department i don't know if strictly speaking they were an engineer that's a protected term in canada long story i told the the the creator warehouse engineering department person who worked on it to immediately unplug it put a label on it that it was unsafe and that no one should turn it on under any circumstances and basically said okay so this is a much more complicated project um let's see if we can figure out a way to make it set make sense it ended up sort of getting a pin put in it but basically what they did was they took the motor set it up with a little 3D printed thing, put a drone propeller blade on it. And I don't know if you guys are that familiar with hard drive motors,

Starting point is 00:50:12 but inside a hard drive, they spin at anywhere from 5,400 RPM to 7,200 RPM. I don't know if you're familiar with drone propellers, but they can be pretty scary. And that thing sitting on the desk, I'll tell you this, it moved air. I'm not too surprised about that. It moved some air. I was feeling cooled.

Starting point is 00:50:38 I wonder how fast it was actually spinning. I'm not sure. We could have... Because there's got to be a lot more resistance than it normally has i actually asked him to find out you can put a piece of tape on one of the blades and then you can just hold like a thing up to it and it'll it'll count how many per second uh i don't know if anyone ever got back to me on that but suffice to say it was terrifying and um i was like okay well we have a lot of work to do on, you know, controllers for this and building a safe propeller design. And this is obviously a much bigger project.

Starting point is 00:51:13 You just put a cage around it like most desktop fans? We could, but we'd have to design that cage. Because the idea was we weren't really sure what that product was at the time. Is this something that we make and it's like bespoke and it's numbered and we do 100 of them and it's done is it something that we make on an ongoing basis but it's like kind of a boutique sort of handcrafted product is this something that we provide as a kit and we just kind of send out to you the you know the cage and propeller and the and the arm maybe we get it injection molded so it's not just like you know 3d printed.

Starting point is 00:51:45 And we basically validate different models of hard drives and you build it yourself. Like there was a lot of different ideas for how we could bring it to market. And right now I think we just won't do anything for now. Yeah. What else you got for me, Dan? Happy New Year. In an alternative reality, what would LTT look like as a cable tv show in the 1990s i didn't watch like g4 tech tv or like steve dotto's show i didn't have access to any of them personally yeah i don't think i i'm trying to think in the 90s did i don't think i i don't

Starting point is 00:52:21 think my family had a cable subscription so i didn't really um i didn't really get access to any of that but i would imagine we'd have kind of like a fun sort of colorful sidekick sort of character like like a like a producer dan type of type of person um i would imagine that we'd probably have a lot of guests on. That was kind of how everyone did things back then was you kind of had guests on to kind of show their wares. Everything was so expensive. On the production side, it would have to be in a studio. There's no way that you could just shoot stuff at home with any kind of decent quality in the 90s.

Starting point is 00:53:02 Most of them, as far as my understanding goes, were just in standard TV studios. they would just have one of the sets so they could reuse those crazy expensive cameras that they would use for basically everything news all the different various shows they would all be in one studio i'd imagine everything would be a lot more tutorial-y like even back at the beginning of nIX Tech Tips, almost every video started with, okay, what's a tutorial we can do and what products do we need to feature in order to get this point across? And back then, especially,

Starting point is 00:53:32 there would be a lot of things to give tutorials on. Yeah. Computers were hard. Very few things that you could just sort of take for granted that everyone knows about and you're just sort of evaluating performance or whatever else. Like if you did a GPU review in 1996, you would have to explain what a gpu is you wouldn't just take for granted

Starting point is 00:53:52 that people know what fps means i think that's what some of them kind of were yeah but it was like what's a sound card and why could you possibly want one and like how would you go about installing one and picking one, stuff like that? Some of them I've found, I didn't have access to any of them, but some of them that I found on like YouTube many, many years later,

Starting point is 00:54:12 actually like kind of cool. I can think of one in particular that had this like kind of weird thin desk and the host would sit on like the close side and there was usually a guest would sit on the far side and the computer would would sit on like the close side and the there was usually a guest would sit on the far side and the computer would kind of be in the middle and then it would be like this presentation piece i don't remember the name of the show um sounds fascinating it was good though good job i i described it because i'm hoping someone will recognize it and post it

Starting point is 00:54:41 okay that's super useful love you flip play chat um all right it's time for us to pick another topic luke you want to pick one hold on yeah they got it okay are we going to your screen i'm'm not there yet, but yeah, we will be. Hilarious. Computer Chronicles. This old house is awesome, dbradley771. I've tried to, I've had to use them when I was working on a couple of things.

Starting point is 00:55:15 I don't know them or anything, but great videos. Sorry, I'm slowly going through YouTube ads. Here we go. All right. All right. Oh, Computer Chronicles. Oh, wait or wait no that's the youtube channel uh yeah but it's just re-uploads from like this old so this was the main host here we go and they would show like i guess this is probably like the trans phone wow informational transaction appliance they would show like this is how you use the thing.

Starting point is 00:55:45 How many buttons does it have? Oh, a lot. Okay. Starfire. Pippin. No way. No way. Nice.

Starting point is 00:56:01 I never figured out what happened to ours. I wish we still had it yeah i either someone stole it or it was misplaced but where would it have been misplaced i feel like if it was misplaced it would have come up by now it's possible remember misplaced could mean accidentally thrown in the garbage like that server that one time that's like stuff happened um anyway wild for people that are wondering that's really good screen cap for back then linus and i did a did a video on an apple pippin which is what's here right now i'm very surprised we randomly landed on an episode that

Starting point is 00:56:36 has the pippin in it um apple's game console yeah and and then it just like disappeared i don't have it i checked at home because you mentioned misplaced. And I was like, did I just take it? It's not there. I found other stuff. It's the kind of thing that Luke would like borrow. Yeah. And be like, I'm going to check out this on my own time.

Starting point is 00:56:55 And then just. Kind of forget about it. Never return with. Or come back with like nine years later, like those GPUs that he took for his dad. Brings back e-waste. And it's like, hey, I'm done with these. Yeah. Do you want them?

Starting point is 00:57:12 Like, I guess. You did want them. Yeah, I mean, you never, honestly, if we ever needed to do a video on some old stupid GPU, then it's better to just have them sitting in the warehouse than to have to go eBay dumpster diving for one. But yeah, no,

Starting point is 00:57:25 I have no idea what happened to it, which is really frustrating because I don't want to buy another one. I'm sure they haven't gone down in value. And ours was immaculate. It was brand new in box when we got it. Very good shape. Left it in perfect condition. Like we fired it up once just to make sure it worked essentially.

Starting point is 00:57:42 Yeah. And it's a really cool piece. Like it's, it's, yeah, I don a really cool piece like it's it's yeah i don't know yeah this this show is like actually pretty cool i would have absolutely loved to watch this if i knew it even like existed and also had access to it back then but it's kind of a cool because there are such good versions uploaded to this youtube channel it's kind of a cool time capsule to go look back at something we talked about this on There are such good versions uploaded to this YouTube channel. It's kind of a cool time capsule to go look back at.

Starting point is 00:58:10 Something, we talked about this on WAN Show not that long ago, but the whole like the internet never forgets unless it does thing is pretty real. And there's a lot of stuff from like the 90s and early 2000s internet eras that are just sort of gone now. So it's nice to be able to have something like this where it is actually being decently preserved dottos don't forget about dottos data cafe i think you've met this guy yeah well i know steve dotto right yeah yeah i know steve dotto so this was a canadian uh i've never seen this sort of similar idea uh this guy's great he's got a ton of personality yeah um super fun guy super nice

Starting point is 00:58:53 i've uh yeah very nice i i think i've only met him once but really nice we brought him on wan show once actually i've been meaning to like collab again anyway this is on netscape netscape navigator i i would i would i could totally cool i could totally see myself doing you know something like what steve dotto did this is awesome and again like surprisingly solid screen capture yeah he was telling me that um that was one of the big things that they innovated was um using old cameras to capture from like to shoot a crt screen without the scan lines that were that were pretty typical on other shows at the time he was saying that was something they figured out really really early on but yeah yeah good old good old steve dotto

Starting point is 00:59:40 uh anyway yeah a lot of old shows like i think you've talked about this too like made in canada uh is like impossible to find no you can get it now cbc gem whole thing oh that's cool yeah and i uh made my own copy just in case it ever disappears again that's good that's good actually that's good genuinely uh but i like that um whoever's behind the computer chronicles was proactive about getting it up themselves i believe this channel is official um and it seems to have like basically everything which is just awesome it's really cool it's such a it's such a valuable resource that no one's gonna watch and then an ai is gonna scrape it and then we'll have access to it with no compensation for

Starting point is 01:00:27 the original creator. Hey, did you see that? Oh shoot. Is it the times? Hold on. Who's who's suing Microsoft for billions? Oh my.

Starting point is 01:00:41 I think it's the New York times. Yeah. New York times has filed a federal lawsuit against OpenAI and Microsoft seeking to end the practice of using its stories to train chatbots, saying that copyright infringement at the paper alone could be worth billions.

Starting point is 01:00:54 Okay, I don't know about billions, but it definitely could be worth something. And what makes this even spicier is that from my understanding, Microsoft has released a statement saying okay so first the new york times said that uh part of why they're so upset about this is that they have been in negotiations with microsoft and open ai to use it legit legitimately and microsoft basically came out and was like uh okay yeah we kind of thought we were still talking about this this lawsuit is

Starting point is 01:01:21 still super disappointing this lawsuit is super disappointing um what i suspect is that they were just so far away on the number that the new york times has basically just gone yeah forget it um and so they know from negotiating with microsoft and this might have been part of their play in fact that actually wouldn't surprise me that much they know from negotiating with microsoft that new york times data has been given a very high level of credibility in training. And remember, guys, there's a lot of different aspects of training. I'm not, you might think the New York Times is a rag or whatever. I don't feel like talking about that. That's, that's not the point. The point is that there's a lot of elements that you might be training a large language model on, and not all of them are necessarily the accuracy of the article.

Starting point is 01:02:06 I don't care. I'm not going to talk to you about that. What we could talk about, though, is things like punctuation and grammar. So the chatbot having any kind of sense of what a sentence is supposed to look like. Yeah, I would probably take the New York Times over your Twitter post. I know. I know. know i know i know fake training thanks twitch chat real helpful appreciate you oh boy anyway sorry i don't think this is in the doc but i just was reminded of this by something else that i was looking at here um is this maybe doesn't sync ai but i know we've talked about you know the arresto momentum of

Starting point is 01:02:54 of ai that's been going on a little bit lately and i mean this seems pretty if they win this pretty much anyone whose data was used to train these these large language models is going to have to go back and prove they didn't use them or they are man every everyone and their dog has been busted at this point multiple times yeah um i don't think it's going to stop anything because there are people developing this stuff that don't care. And enough of it is open source that people are just going to be able to scrape on lower levels than corporate. And you won't be able to go after them properly and you won't know they're doing it.

Starting point is 01:03:31 And it's not going to matter. Cat's kind of out of the bag when this stuff got heavily open source with like llama and all these other things like it's done, man. Oh, I don't mean there's anything that they can do to un-Pandora this box. Oh, got it.

Starting point is 01:03:45 I just mean the big companies oh yeah some of them might get hit real hard yeah are they are they done i think i think what is it called um when there's like a landmark case i think it's called a landmark case no but it's that precedent there we go yeah i think think this is going to set precedent pretty hard. What's it called when there's an avalanche? Destruction. Yeah, no, precedent, I think, is going to be set by this pretty hard because these are two very major, very recognizable in their space companies. If you talk about news in North America, you probably know New York Times. If you talk about software stuff, especially operating systems,

Starting point is 01:04:28 you probably know Microsoft. Man times if we talk about software stuff especially operating systems you probably know microsoft like it's yeah man new york times versus microsoft pretty big deal we were yeah we were talking about this on the pre-show i um i ended up down a rabbit hole on like yeah why boxers stood like this and it turns out there's a lot of very compelling reasons as far as my understanding goes it mostly boils down to bare knuckle boxing versus not well it was it was there's other things going on yeah mostly bare knuckle boxing but then uh one video i watched in particular i wish i could remember who did it but i got a little bit more into why this pose is better for bare knuckle boxing it It keeps them at a distance more. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:06 It protects, it was a lot more body shots because you were not punching people in the head. You'd still go for the soft cheeks. You'd still go for the jaw. Hitting someone in the forehead can actually be really, it can hurt your own hand a lot. Yeah. You're also not doing like the big power punches as much.

Starting point is 01:05:23 So your rear hand is usually back to protect your body. and you're focusing more on jabs with that front hand like it's actually a very different style of fighting yeah so you but you so you get the old like yeah very good um do we want to talk about manufactured drm sabotaging polish trains this was like last week or a couple weeks ago but it's terrible a decent amount of the news in the in the show this week is somewhat old but you probably weren't paying that much attention in the news anyways because you're busy with holiday stuff yeah why did you tell them it's fine it's fine you didn't have to tell them nobody has to know polish train manufacturer newig here's some news bidets are popular a wag new og not as popular as screwdrivers though still screwdrivers very popular hey you need both right

Starting point is 01:06:12 do you do you need a screwdriver to install the bidet i don't remember definitely a wrench yeah but that's not a screwdriver so not yeah that sounds like we need a wrench i mean i wanted to do a fail wrench what would that have been uh it was going to be a wrench made of melted down failed screwdriver shafts from that supplier who shafted us got them uh polo train manufacturer nuag that's what i'm going to call it is under investigation by regulators following allegations that it installed DRM-like software on its trains that caused them to fail to restart after certain set triggers

Starting point is 01:06:54 in order to drive more service work to itself. One competitor, SPS... I mean, it sounds pretty smart to me. You just get to do more you get more service revenue yeah which is probably good money because they're gonna really want those trains back on the rails uh one competitor sps was hit with fines equivalent to 462 000 euros dang because new ag trains for the lower celestian railway it serviced would fail to restart afterwards i'm assuming after servicing the rail operator then sent the trains to new ag who easily fixed them for an additional

Starting point is 01:07:34 fee suspiciously trains that hadn't been recently serviced but had sat unused in storage for significant periods of time started failing in a very similar manner in response sps oh man brilliantly in my opinion whoever had the the the thought of doing this very good move sps hired a polish hacking collective called dragon sector sick name by the way way to go on that one uh to investigate according to dragon sector the trains were intentionally programmed to stop working under certain conditions such as certain components being replaced without a manufacturer approved serial number these included an idle timer that would stop the train from starting if it sat for over 10 days possibly under the assumption that it was undergoing servicing

Starting point is 01:08:22 after train started failing after only being uh after only being stored a new trigger was programmed uh in that added geo fencing around competitors workshops so that the trains would instead lock up after being brought to those facilities new ag is denying these allegations and claims that these issues were caused by third parties interfering with the train security features i love how often the security card gets played yeah anytime a company gets caught doing something sometimes it is legitimate yeah time no i said when they get caught doing something scummy yes yeah it's amazing how because most people either don't understand security very well or especially don't care their eyes just glaze over the second you start talking about any kind of digital security or anything like that and they're like uh-huh is he bad is he badgering me to install a password manager again

Starting point is 01:09:25 i i like my one two three four love password you know or whatever the case may be um so if there's any way to get people bored of a conversation it's to say oh it's it's in the name of user security and then just start saying a bunch of stuff and people will just kind of gradually drop out of interest and you know get a go about their day the the private key needs to go in the and then like 98 of people just disconnect anyway basically that's bad and it should be obvious why that's bad and uh this is a great illustration of why companies like Apple should not be allowed to do similar things. And a great example of what Apple, if left to their own devices, might have eventually come up with for iPhones if they weren't ultimately able to stop people from repairing these things through serialization and all the other means that they put in place to prevent people from repairing their own iphones and from third parties it's it's somewhat stunning to me how many people will do this stuff and not out their own companies i guess it's interesting i don't know i mean people did do far worse than this for a paycheck. Yeah. Like, come on. But.

Starting point is 01:10:45 Like, be realistic. Yeah. Think of the things you've done. The horrible things. Yeah, the horrible things. Yeah, no, I just, I think maybe it's my bubble of, like, finding recruitment kind of hard. But I feel like software developers, like like if you're like hmm i'm gonna defraud my own country basically it's like yeah you could probably get another job um sorry you're saying that software developers yeah have a tendency to always be the good guys in the story no oh what do you how sorry sorry i thought i

Starting point is 01:11:30 thought you were saying like someone would see the idea of defrauding their own country and then resign from the job rather than go do it i'm saying in this particular case i think if you work in that field you have a high chance of finding another job. I can understand for some positions, some jobs, it might be like, this is the only way I'm going to get bread on the table. I think a lot of people just don't care.

Starting point is 01:11:54 Luke, I think a lot, I think a lot of developers would just develop a button that like kills a random person and deposits a million dollars into the company's bank account as long as they get a piece of it like i i don't know man yeah sorry i just wish that wasn't a thing that's all i'm saying i i also i also think that i mean okay okay but like okay here's another thing look at the okay look at the arguments around net neutrality look at the arguments around right to repair especially when you start getting into

Starting point is 01:12:25 the you know the apple ecosystem and the people who are just kind of i don't know how to describe it other than brainwashed i'm really sorry um when we when we when we made that video about the imac pro that apple wouldn't repair at our cost the number of people that attacked us for it when we basically said yeah it's pretty obvious that just you know replacement parts should be a thing at a reasonable price it shouldn't cost as much for just some pieces of a component as it costs for the entire some pieces of a machine as it costs for the entire machine including those pieces that doesn't make any sense the number of people that attacked us for it when that's just math it's not political it's just obvious um so no maybe in some people's minds it makes perfect sense that if you are the manufacturer

Starting point is 01:13:13 of a train you should be the only one who's allowed to fix it because you know yeah someone else might might bung it up or whatever the case may be which is not an entirely illegitimate concern i just don't think that's what even happened. They were taking these trains off the rails. I know. I just mean as a preventative measure. Not even just to not get other people to work on them, though. They were doing it randomly in order to get more service money.

Starting point is 01:13:39 Well, you know, you got to make sure that they're running fine. And maybe that's the way it was sold internally. Maybe they weren't even honest internally with the developers who developed this system. Maybe they just told them that, hey, we have found that the customers for these trains are not performing service at the recommended intervals. We need to make sure that the trains are shutting down

Starting point is 01:14:02 at such time as the regular intervals should be done or whatever. It wasn't coded that way. I'm just saying there's a lot of room for gray area. I'm not saying they should do this. It's obviously terrible. I'm just saying that just because a developer codes this feature doesn't mean that they agree. And even if they do agree, it doesn't mean they understand.

Starting point is 01:14:20 And even if they do understand, it doesn't mean they agree. And even if they agree, it doesn't mean that they're not an idiot. That's all I'm trying to say yeah but i disagree it's bad it's definitely very bad um all right man i have to get signed back into the dock but people can see my hand so i have to fake that i'm pressing keys that i'm not pressing and it's getting all oh i never talk about that trick yeah i just kind of yeah okay you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes i type really funny stuff i like that That's actually hilarious. I'm going to hide my hands. You don't get to see my hands. I can see your hands.

Starting point is 01:15:09 You can? No. Oh, you can see this bit? You can't see this entire hand? No, okay. Have fun with your one letter you're going to see me input. I'm going to enter one of the letters. We'll just hope that whatever letter I enter is one that goes there.

Starting point is 01:15:23 Did I get it? I mean, it was in the alphabet that's nice but was it in the numeric uh uh take no chat his password has characters in it and it's definitely definitely english it might not be english there you go yeah most of mine actually they mix it up sometimes not english i like that yeah that's cool i should use that i'm i'm i'm hesitant i have one trick for passwords that i love so much but i don't know if i want to say it because one of the reasons why it's good is because a lot of like brute force password guessers never get it because they don't incorporate it so i don't know if i want to like popularize its use i think i want

Starting point is 01:16:12 to keep this one for myself that's the thing though that's a bad mentality and you know that should i share it well but then see then is the constant like cat and mouse game right like how do you help people have better security without also informing the other side and how's the other side if i do their stuff but no that that is that that is because it's a it's a great trick it's i would say that that is not an LTT attitude. We are a sharing is caring. I am not saying you should. I technically don't work for Linus Media Group anymore.

Starting point is 01:16:58 I'm still going to have to change your 700,000 passwords when you get hacked now. I never said people couldn't get me, just to be clear. Yeah, this is not a challenge. I'm sure if someone wanted to hack my box, they could get in there. I can just say it. Chat mostly says don't do it, but then some of them were like, give us the tech tip. Because that's kind of what we do, is give people tips that are useful for a little while

Starting point is 01:17:24 until the ne'er-do-wells go and update their shit and then we have to come up with a new tech tip and that's how we all stay employed because there always needs to be a new tech what if i what if i arm people to potentially figure it out themselves okay i like that yeah that's a compromise that's a good compromise a lot of passwords can take characters that don't normally get typed especially that don't normally get typed for passwords consider this my passwords are all going to be emojis now especially when you're when you're thinking about brute forcing because like when it comes to guessing or social engineering or someone just

Starting point is 01:18:07 getting in your password manager or anything like that, or, or a key logging, it's not going to matter what you do. Right. Like they just have your password now. Yeah. Um,

Starting point is 01:18:17 but if it comes to brute forcing, there's a lot that you can do to make your passwords more brute force resilient while still not making them really annoying to enter like visually enter or whatever else to remember that's a big one for me is i like my passwords to be something that i can retain in my brain for long enough to like it out into a keyboard or character map as it were yeah yep confirmed luke's password is lenny face thanks navy rhymar love it all right anywho cling on i love you guys floatplane chat okay what are we supposed to be doing uh let's just do sponsors sure thanks dan this week's show is sponsored by notion a versatile

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Starting point is 01:21:34 stop infusion travel mug and use code LTT10 to get 10% off your entire purchase. All right, Dan, you got a couple of merch messages for us. Why don't you hit me sure let's grab some here let's see um i hope your holidays were great merch messaging to ask about hdr uh youtube on mobile your camera footage looks great especially skin tones but web pages look dark and gray what's up with that that is a great question that i'm sure ed could answer i'm sure it has something to do with, you know, peak brightness being white and that also having some kind of metadata for being extremely bright or something. Yeah, that shouldn't, that shouldn't even be it. I'm not sure. It probably has to do with that. We have to upload.

Starting point is 01:22:30 do with that we have to upload um you know what it probably is actually that because the way that the metadata works on youtube is more like hdr 10 rather than hdr 10 plus where it's per frame so it's it's across the entire piece of content so if you have anything in the entire video that's supposed to appear bright like a spec highlight, a candle or something like that, then that's your 100% brightness. So anything else is probably going to look dimmer and more gray by comparison, because we wouldn't want to actually send in a 100% full white every time we do a screen capture. I'd have to double check because we have people internally whose jobs are to understand that stuff better than me. It's the kind of thing that whenever I'm making a video about it, I like brush up on it and

Starting point is 01:23:11 go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that and kind of refigure it out. But yeah, that would be that would be my guess. I think that's something you'll probably continue to see because one of the complaints that we've gotten, not just on HDR content, but sdr as well about screen cap is that when we capture white as white and people are you know a night mode user or like our dark mode user or they're watching at night it can be very jarring when we go from the host who's you know lit in a reasonable scene to just like an all white page um so i that could also just be something that we adapted for that linus and luke if you could design the ultimate futuristic tech gadget that hasn't been invented

Starting point is 01:23:52 yet what features would it have and how would you envision it transforming daily lives oh man i mean i feel like with the the the boundless human imagination that exists out there there's no way i'm going to come up with something that someone else already didn't like the idea of being able to conjure anything by just you know rearranging atoms or whatever so what are they called in star trek's not synthesizers the the food things that they yeah i don't remember earl grey hot yeah exactly yeah yeah exactly right like the being able to go anywhere instantly being able to have anything instantly ironically i suspect it would actually take a lot of the um fun out of things out of certain things yeah um you know some part of part of the fun of like replicators there you go part of the fun of a trip um we're apparently going to japan and as far as i can tell

Starting point is 01:24:46 90 of the excitement about this for yvonne is the preparation not the actual like going there like if you could just walk into a holodeck and be there immediately i actually think it would i think it would reduce the satisfaction for her yeah for me it would be why are you laughing you don't think i'm an expert on yvonne's satisfaction maybe not for me i think it would be things that actually get me off devices more. And I think that could come in the form of input even like you. I see a lot of people. I don't do this.

Starting point is 01:25:33 I don't actually know why, but I see a lot of people dictate messages through voice. And I think that's kind of the direction that I'm talking about is like, yeah, I don't necessarily want to sit here and type this whole thing. while staring at the screen if i can just press one button and talk into it i don't want to talk to things i need a neural interface yeah but that's what i'm saying in that direction i'm not saying that because we basically already have that yeah so yeah like things that can get me off of the device maybe different input methods whether it's neural or

Starting point is 01:26:00 whatever else um things that uh like we've talked about this for a long time being able to wear glasses that are basically a rolodex yeah i almost don't want it to do anything other than be a rolodex yeah just like tell me who that person is and why i'm supposed to know them why i'm supposed to know them how many times have i met this person uh especially if it's more than zero um like yeah and and it i don't know i don't even necessarily want it to be creepy you can pull this information from my contacts yeah you know like don't don't search the internet have it be local i'd be happy to do a little recap yeah like yep you know hey this is important for next time i see you know whoever right there's there's ways to not be

Starting point is 01:26:42 awful but it will be awful yeah 100 oh yeah it's going to end up being connected to some creepy database yeah it's going to tell you everything about and it's going to everyone as it learns from your usage it's going to upload that to everyone else as well it's going to be horrible yeah but a non-horrible version i'm going to use it because it's going to be super useful yeah but yeah things things that make it so that I actually spend less time manually myself using the devices. And the more the devices stay in my pocket or stay closed or whatever else and doing things sounds great to me. Gergie 008 says, make me Neville's remember all from Happy Potter. That's a funny typo.

Starting point is 01:27:23 Happy Potter. I'm imagining Adamantler as a magic golfer i thought he like makes okay that movie was great but i thought he makes like good movies now um oh man um anywho i thought his most recent movie like went really well um i don't know what one it was hustle i think i'm not sure adam sandler makes whatever movie he feels like as far as i can tell all right hit me dan hey hey dll i'm currently listening after i cleared out my fridge that just died got any good appliance failure stories for the audience uh i mean other than oh man uncut gems

Starting point is 01:28:15 yeah there we go that's what i was thinking that was a long time ago was it yeah i don't keep up with movies these days yeah that's fair um every appliance i've experienced die dies very unspectacularly when fridges die it's pretty bad especially if you don't notice for a couple days oh but i mean like the device itself just stopped working like it didn't oh yeah oh our oven had a bit of a problem the other day uh we have a we have a bosch oven and fortunately it has error codes that work so at least i know what the problem is nice but we went to uh we went to bake some banana bread we had three loaves of banana bread i worked it you're not gonna know that meme but i love that

Starting point is 01:28:56 cool it's so good all right anyway so we were gonna make some banana bread. Yes, some of it might have come to work. And suddenly there's smoke all throughout the house and the banana bread is definitely not going to be good. I liked it. This is well before the timer was supposed to go out. It's not like we just didn't notice it. And the door was locked. We couldn't even get it open oh so it turned out what had happened was like a runaway temperature event

Starting point is 01:29:32 so the heat just kept going past what it was set to past the thermal safety limit for the oven which caused it to lock itself down and then it basically had to it it did manage to safety shut off so it was i looked it up and it was one of two things it was either your temperature sensor has gone bad which it wasn't because the thermal shutdown happened or it was your relay wasn't working properly for the so it sent like a disconnect signal yeah the daughter board that was supposed to handle the relay right um it has worked people said okay you can reset it like this and then assuming the temperature sensor is good sometimes the relay just magically starts working again so it's worked fine since then but it was a little sketchy like it smelled like

Starting point is 01:30:22 burning like not like burnt food. Like, burning. They came out black. Yeah. They're supposed to be brown. You know, golden. Yeah. In the parts where it splits at the top.

Starting point is 01:30:34 Because, mmm, delicious banana bread. Anyway. Oh, I love banana bread. That worked, dude? Banana bread? That worked, dude? Hell yeah! My mom said. Okay, that's.'s when you wait for things dude good things happening to you dude that's number five what it's number five autocomplete for banana bread

Starting point is 01:30:56 okay do you know this so this is just like a Dan Daniel, like, random viral clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know this one, Dan? Yeah, it checks out. Yeah, yeah, okay. All right. Old, it's good. I'm old, so it being old is fine. I mostly just quote Vines constantly in my entire life.

Starting point is 01:31:18 Yeah, yeah. Road works? I sure hope it does. See, you just have to say one little line. God, I yeah yeah me too all right uh well cool yeah sorry i didn't i did not get the reference i didn't think you would i did it for them all right uh you got one more for us dan yeah sure let's see hey DLL I'm a PC repair tech and a veteran have you oh I read that as

Starting point is 01:31:49 veterinarian so did I that's a weird combo yeah that makes way more sense and I had the same thought I was like huh I hope they're like one shop that'd be neat you got the one counter you just put your computer on it you got the other counter you put your dog on it so my laptop and my dog just don't put your dog on the computer counter they're going to put the

Starting point is 01:32:07 usb diagnostic drive in the wall trying to turn the dog on and off again it's like it's not working okay sorry yeah anywho um yes a pc repair tech and a veteran a lot more sense yeah i assume so uh have you all done any or plan to do any how to not get scammed online videos that I can share with my elderly customers? We've touched on this a little bit, but it's like... It's so hard now. It's really hard because we can't cover everything. It changes. Nobody wants to watch it.

Starting point is 01:32:37 The people who are going to get scammed, I don't know how to say this respectfully. You're probably not watching this show. It's not like the resources aren't out there to find out it's getting really rough some of it's getting really actually very hard yeah i i got a i got a spam call that was really good like if i was if i was even slightly less of a competent adult human being i i could have easily given valuable information over the phone people are doing uh voice spoofing of specifically i'm not going to get into the the reasons why for this but specifically mom's daughters oh yeah and they're like screaming in distress and stuff

Starting point is 01:33:19 like that's oh my goodness the one i got they um it came up as from my bank so i did answer it because i'll just ignore anything that's not from anyone that i recognize these days yeah um so it came up as my bank and they basically were like yeah there's been some fraudulent activity don't worry we've locked down the card we're gonna get everything reversed for you but uh we do need to to check some things with you and um then at some point you know everything sounded fine i was like i was talking to them i was like yeah sure i mean yeah that sounds pretty bad no i didn't use the card um and then as soon as they asked what's your uh can i just verify the credit card and i was like well you should be able to tell me which one and they're like it's the one that starts with the first four digits and i was like yeah but

Starting point is 01:34:10 every credit card issued by your bank your financial institution starts with those first four digits that doesn't tell us anything uh you need to tell me like the last two and they basically were like no i need the whole number and And I kind of go, okay, well. The tip I would say for this is always hang up and call them back. Okay, well, hold on. We're getting to that. Okay, yeah. So I basically said, well, how am I supposed to know that you are who you say you are?

Starting point is 01:34:43 And they said, well, I mean, I called you from the bank. And I go, yeah, but that can be spoofed. And they're like, and I say, look, I'm just going to call you back, click. Because a lot of people don't realize that the phone number that someone's calling from can be spoofed. So they can just tell it, hey, I want this to show up as 1-800-whatever

Starting point is 01:35:02 when I call the person. It's getting freaking sophisticated and there were things about the call that made me uneasy like the extremely long delay on the line but it wasn't until i looked back that i went oh that's probably because they were calling from very far away. They're probably overseas somewhere. And they did not have an unconvincing accent. Three seconds or something. Yeah. Always call that call back the number on the back

Starting point is 01:35:37 of the card, except nothing else. Yep. Yeah. I do that for basically any institution that calls me if it has anything to do with payment or or changing pretty much anything um if the thing that we're discussing could hurt me at all or if they ask for any form of authentication then i call them back yeah like i've had back when why didn't you authenticate me you called me yeah back when telus used to be cool um they used to call me every time that i had to renew my contract

Starting point is 01:36:11 and they would be like hey uh we're gonna give it to you like either cheaper or you get the same price and more features yeah and i'd be like sick yeah do it up you'd be like okay bye like i'm not gonna call them back for that whatever yeah it's fine um but if they're the worst case scenario is you don't get the better features yeah but they didn't ask for any authenticating things they didn't ask for any payment stuff they didn't ask for whatever they just yeah it was fine so that was fine it just it was one of those things where i was i was on i was having a particularly like groggy day i hadn't slept well because this was this week um and uh yvonne's in recovery mode and not

Starting point is 01:36:53 sleeping well uh she's sick yeah no she um had three of her wisdom teeth out they were impacted and the ones on the bottom were growing in sideways so the bottom is already the worst and then they were under the gum and growing this way so she had to go under it was like when was that um beginning of this week yeah she's been like replying to emails because she's gonna say things insane but like she's been answering things i know i talked to her about it's quite a like genuinely there's a lot of trauma you're preaching to the choir mouth yeah we were she doing ice pack rotations in the same conversation she goes yeah i'm was feeling worse today because i think i overdid it yesterday. And then she goes, but I think I should be able to push tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:37:51 And I'm just like, who do you think you are? Luc Lafreniere? I just, I have a type. Yeah. Ridiculous. i have a type yeah ridiculous anyway the point is i hadn't slept much because yes ice pack rotations and everything i i loaded up on we had like four ice packs in the house i was like we probably need double that so i got a bunch more ice packs and got all the different the drug cocktails like felt like old people like i put together like a medication schedule for her and everything um what was she eating congee um nice further pureed cream of broccoli soup um she's able to do like uh she was really tired of that after a couple days and on day three she was able to do overcooked instant

Starting point is 01:38:46 noodles and she was like this is heaven like soggy instant noodles i i broke up the pack first yeah so they were like little tiny pieces of soggy instant noodles yeah um and then the egg i put in like extra egg because i think she had zero protein since the whole thing started so i like extra egg because i think she had zero protein since the whole thing started so i like trickled it in and like stirred it so it was basically just like kind of like a cloudy broth almost yeah yeah um but she's just like this is so much better than what i've been eating it's horrible i can't remember the name of them and i'm sure floatplane chat will again be able to point it out but my i can't remember remember the doctor name for it, but dentist guy that does surgeries.

Starting point is 01:39:28 Orthodontist, is that right? No, I don't think so. They do like braces and stuff. Oh, right. Orthodontist. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Either way.

Starting point is 01:39:37 He suggested this like drink that you can just get at like Savon or whatever else. Oral surgeon? Yeah, okay, sure. I thought it was more complicated what's an oral surgeon yeah what's the like name behind it what's a uh what's a uh what was this what's a landmark case what's the word this darn it um no but yeah it, it's this drink. Tooth fairy. So we bought- Thanks, floatplane chat. Got you. We bought like a bunch of this one type of drink because it was recommended by the guy.

Starting point is 01:40:13 Yeah. Is it Pedialyte? Ensure. Yep. Yeah, that's the one. And we figured out that it's like very common for like, you know, old people that have trouble chewing because of

Starting point is 01:40:26 various things might be going on um and it tasted really good really so when i was on all the drugs i was like this is great yeah just i'll just have this this is no problem oh is it just like full of sugar when the drug started fading i was like why does this taste so good it's basically a milkshake like actually does it bring all the boys to the yard though probably it brought me to the yard um nice where's the can i get a nutrition label um ensure nutritional info okay we're going to your screen not yet yeah you never know what might come up you search for things on that internet okay here we go it does have a lot of the vitamins where's its information it's got a bunch of protein can i go to your screen so that we're not just imagining this it has nine grams of protein but also has 18 of your daily sugar and in 220 calories oh wow oh yeah okay so it's it's sugar it's basically a

Starting point is 01:41:29 milkshake and they'll even flavor them like milk chocolate vanilla strawberry so it's like but when you're having milkshakes for every meal it's like whoa okay that's how they get you all right isn't corn maltodextrin just like corn syrup is that in there is that the second ingredient after water so it's water and corn syrup and then the next one is sugar the next one is like milk effectively oh it's a thickener sorry it's it's thickened water and then sugar so yeah nice yeah with with milk protein in there as well so it's it's basically a milkshake um yeah maltodextrin it's the uh the like corn based the the one added thing that they they do give you is it is pumped with like vitamins and stuff but still so are vitamins which you can just buy yeah they're not even expensive. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 01:42:26 For how cheap vitamins are, it's actually kind of amazing how unmotivated I am to just take them. I just never, I'm always like, yeah, I'm going to like take vitamins now. And then I do it for a week and then I just am distracted. I thought it was hilarious because I was taking, I'm still taking athletic greens to kind of flush out my diet because I eat a lot of the same thing all the time. So I'm sure I'm missing some stuff. Speaking of which, confirmed, Luke will be doing a float plane exclusive with the 100% success meal, showing you guys how to make it.

Starting point is 01:43:09 I haven't made it in years, so I'm going to have to practice. Wow. so basically you're saying once you're in a relationship you don't have to try anymore yeah or you can try other things that don't need to have that type of success as much what a lesson because you're getting there anyways I can, I can hear Emma being taken for granted from here. What? No. Um, what was I saying? Anyways, Luke is single in three,

Starting point is 01:43:32 two, one. No, no, no. And it's great. Yeah. Um,

Starting point is 01:43:38 what was I going to say? What was I even thinking of? You totally. And generous apparently. I'm sorry. I'm's mom and dad um what they don't watch this do they sure do that doesn't sound like my problem all right this is great vitamins yeah yeah yeah yeah so um i started taking athletic greens to round it out yeah vitamins what is in that stuff what's in those anyways um and i i confidently said i don't just high fiver

Starting point is 01:44:11 i confidently said that i was getting sick less yeah and then like very shortly after saying that i got sick like twice in a row and one of them lasted a really long time. Yeah, that was nasty. I don't know. Travel, man. Travel gets you. Yeah. Travel and gatherings.

Starting point is 01:44:33 Yeah. Both of those two things are rough. Travel girlings. Yes. Especially both. That's what I was trying to say. I know. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 01:44:48 both that's what i was trying to say i know oh my goodness win 789 says meh if her parents don't know you're doing it by now that would be a little weird yeah yeah no we've been abstinent for uh man what are you guys at 78 years eight years good gravy i think good gravy i mean it must be I think. Good gravy. I mean, it must be. Pfft! Shhh! Shhh! Shhh!

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Starting point is 01:45:21 Ah! Shhh! Dan, save me! Ah! No! That is not saving me! Get out out of here why'd you face so red drug dealers adopt drones according to a recent vice report law enforcement around the world are noting a market shift in using drones to move drugs across international borders over the past

Starting point is 01:45:41 few years driven in part by consumer drones being becoming larger and increasingly cheap in 2021 spanish narcotics police captured a drone with a 13 foot wingspan whoa um capable of carrying 330 pounds of cargo while this was a mass manufactured droid or drone built in china um built in china in 2022 spanish authorities okay yeah found three submersible drones that were manufactured specifically to ferry drugs and capable of carrying 440 pounds of cargo wow drones are also being used to deliver drugs and other contraband into otherwise difficult to reach areas within countries such as prisons, as reported by officials in the US and Canada. I read an article about this a while back. Apparently, it's really difficult to stop them because it wouldn't be a giant 13 foot wingspan one that's just like, yeah, coming up to a prison.

Starting point is 01:46:42 It would be little zippy ones going and you know they have time out in the yard or whatever else um there's very little incentive i don't think for the the people who work there to be have 100 constant monitoring of the all the skies in the area yeah like it's it's a really difficult problem you could drop it from pretty high too although last october the uk government introduced no fly zones around all of their prisons which of course i mean if you just have a regulation that's gonna stop it that'll keep out the ne'er-do-wells yeah that's a big drone 13 feet and that would be able to go pretty high probably probably but then would it be better to keep it low from like a radar standpoint i don't know no idea i mean i'm not involved in

Starting point is 01:47:29 contraband smuggling so i also don't know enough about radar know very little about this world isn't radar specifically worse at picking up small objects i don't i do well yeah but that's why i was saying if it is pretty big it could probably get up high but it's also but it would probably have a lot of space in between the arms, I suspect. Stay low. I suspect those arms are thin. Yeah, but if you have like 330 pounds of anything, I'd imagine that's... That's fair.

Starting point is 01:47:53 I mean, considering that they can pick up a little whirlybird or whatever, that's probably going to have some substantialness to it. Yeah, 330-pound capable drone could smuggle the prisoner, never mind the drugs, yeah. Man, I'm... I haven't seen a jailbreak. Just a drone with two bars on the bottom. Just like, get jacked in prison. It's arm day every day. And all you do is just like...

Starting point is 01:48:19 Hangs? Yeah. And so you just jump up, grab the thing, and it freaking goes. It'd be dangerous as heck, but compared to staying in prison would i try it yeah i think so wow would you do it if someone arranged a drone to just show up in the yard would you grab the bottom of it and go i think it depends on like how long your sentence is you're in there for 10 years let's say 10 years you will be you know 40 whatever by the time you're out if i have a chance of getting out of the country and thus not an insanely high chance of just being put back in i don't think you have to get out of the country no like if you go

Starting point is 01:48:58 legit and just like live a quiet life i think you could probably go somewhere like interior bc or like you know oil fields alberta or something just like work in an unofficial capacity you could probably lay low you don't think people are going to report like the guy that wants to work but refuses to give you a i think you'd be surprised how many people are just like that anyway regardless of their pasts i was another article i was reading recently was about the sort of uncomfortable truths that are being unearthed by services like 23andme um and i just want to make my position on them clear you shouldn't use them they're super super bad not just for you but also for anyone related to you uh anyway uh but what was interesting about this was there's this family that found

Starting point is 01:49:46 out that like grandpa was a completely different person from who they thought he was. He never played with Babe Ruth. He like had a completely different family that he just abandoned. And this was just, it didn't match anything they knew about him. They knew him as like a loving father and grandfather and didn't realize that he had just walked away from his responsibility in the U.S. before he moved up to Canada or something like that. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:50:09 Allegedly. That's unfortunate. Anywho, 10 years. I have heard of a crazy amount of people finding out that like their parents, like someone cheated on somebody or something because they're like, huh? I don't have anything from this line that's weird um yeah and also just like family lies in general yeah uh that that might come from oh yeah we have irish you know heritage or whatever it's like don't what are you talking about no we don't in some cases i've heard that those were very well intentioned actually but it was eventually forgotten that it was a lie if that makes sense yeah that makes sense uh because like they did so to avoid persecution or yada yada yada yeah but then eventually the lie was kept so secret because it was so important yeah that it

Starting point is 01:51:02 just was forgotten eventually. Top 10 drones that get you out of prison. That'd be a good video. Man, the propellers on that thing would be scary as fuck. Like an April Fool's video? Like how to break out of prison?

Starting point is 01:51:21 Am I going to have to buy another cantaloupe? Smuggling drones. Oh, man. So you smuggle in a swarm of tiny drones in people's butts. And they all work together to lift you. Oh, man.

Starting point is 01:51:50 Oh, geez. Was that the first video you worked on or something dad no it was one of the first requests i got for a video um i don't think i'd been here very long i was working in logistics and of course it was like uh hey we need a cantaloupe for this video uh why why do you want a cantaloupe oh it needs to be an analog for somebody's butt we're gonna put a phone in it butt phone butt phone all right i should have stayed at my last job what they didn't have butt phones at your last job no boring i signed up to manage inventory not butt phones inventory the butt phone. Yeah. Technically, we also had to do that.

Starting point is 01:52:27 Well, you have to find it first. It's very uncomfortable. Time to find the phone. We knew exactly where it was. Okay. Oh, boy. What even is this show? Who knows?

Starting point is 01:52:43 Oh, wow. is this show who knows oh wow a griff aviation 300 can carry 227 kilograms or 500 pounds of weight it only has a flight time of 31 minutes you could get pretty far in 31 minutes but you but that's yeah 15 kilometer range sorry griff yeah griff aviation there's an ehang 184 that can carry 220 pounds and go 30 kilometers that's far enough away that you'd be kind of hard to track down i'm looking at there's a jov cw-80e that can carry 55 pounds and it has a flight time of 840 minutes or 100 to 200 kilometers, which is like, wow. Okay, what am I looking at? How big is it? Tell me how big it is.

Starting point is 01:53:32 The one I was looking at was a Griff Aviation 300, not 30. I hate websites like this. This site looks so stupid. So annoying. Whoa! Yeah, I would like it to take forever to navigate your website why don't you make a site like that thing also doesn't need to fully take over the screen it only covered half the screen with information how big is it how about a single picture with any kind of a banana or

Starting point is 01:53:56 something six i need something for scale how about a banana that's perfect oh this is useless forget it i give up okay uh what else we got brands use ai influencers i mean this is pretty fun here here i got it you got it okay but that's a mountain funky looking how luke how is that supposed to help me know how big it is okay here we go here oh wait max size here we go it's 3.4 meters long wait oh 3,400 meters wait what is even that okay i don't know that looked i'm sorry i i thought it okay sorry what is it so i'm i'm reading this off of the tv over there i thought it was 3.4 meters which would kind of make sense but height is is that 600 what sorry what 0.6 meters would make more sense oh color 3.4 kilometers size length that doesn't make any sense probably it's probably millimeters and there

Starting point is 01:55:02 was a typo yeah okay so 3.4 meters then probably yeah they're about that big yeah okay okay that's a very reasonable meters for height yeah that's that's about how big they should be yeah so mills is what they were going for there yeah um there is a space or they all have spaces never mind i think it's just a typo brands are apparently increasing increasingly buying paid posts from ai generated influencers such as ai tiana lopez a pink haired model created by spanish agency the clueless they run an instagram account for ai tiana with over 250 000 followers many of whom seem to believe she is real despite the account being labeled as ai she also has a man you know i find the term npc to be extremely disrespectful

Starting point is 01:55:52 when used to apply to people but i just can't really yeah i can't really um you know what in fairness powered by AI doesn't necessarily mean anything that could mean that you are sponsored by an AI company or something like that especially when when you look at the whatever that icon is on a balloon or something Barcelona's digital muse at the clueless.ai you might think powered by AI is like yeah just part of the like i'm pushing the company thing yeah all right so that's a thing that is definitely a thing that exists i had seen if you go to the top of her pictures yeah i had seen that top right one and didn't realize it i saw it on an unrelated article and i just scrolled right past it and no part of my

Starting point is 01:56:47 brain was like that's not a real person according to the clueless ai tana typically earns around 3 000 euros a month but can earn up to 10 000 with each advert being worth over just over a thousand euros her sponsorships include big a supplement company she also has a fan view account where they post pictures of her in lingerie the uk's advertising standards agency says there are currently no rules requiring virtual influencers to disclose that they are ai generated and many do not do so a primary attraction of virtual influencer campaigns for companies is that they're significantly cheaper per impression up to 91% cheaper based on an Instagram analytics report on a virtual influencer post by H&M. They also give the brand a far greater deal of control and eliminate the

Starting point is 01:57:33 complexity and risk of dealing with human beings that have opinions and reputations. I mean, I mean, we talked about this before. I think I said a number of years ago, if I was smart, I'd be transitioning to be a VTuber. I think this was back when we were on the set that was at the opposite end of this building for quite a while, but like, man,

Starting point is 01:57:55 for real though. Yeah. Jeez. Yeah. There's been a bunch of accusations that I've seen that like a lot of the followers are uh like paid bot accounts and stuff but i mean if they're getting paid it's working yep so here's here's the clueless ai so here's their i guess they have an oh i don't know like

Starting point is 01:58:19 click on anything because instagram on desktop just well i'm not logged in yeah but come on i don't know uh they want you to log in i need that data exactly sony got fined for sabotaging controllers french regulators have fined sony 13 and a half million euros for allegedly damaging the reputation of third-party controllers via a 2015 ps4 update that intentionally caused unofficial controllers to frequently disconnect further regulators say that sony selectively refused to communicate the accent wait no way elijah follows her and didn't know no way actually i'm actually speechless i thought she was real no joke yeah and if you scroll up there's what i thought this chick was real i follow her wow

Starting point is 01:59:19 wow always full of surprises this guy yeah life man why do you follow her elijah don't don't answer that elijah get out i flew the fifth she's hot oh my god oh i gave you i gave you a warning they didn't even care there was no right answer and yet you still managed to pick the wrong one. He probably hasn't seen war games, has he? No. Ah, okay. Well, I, yeah.

Starting point is 01:59:54 Anyway. Wow. Further, regulators say that Sony selectively refused to communicate the access criteria for its official licensing program to certain third-party manufacturers and used language that was imprecise because it allowed them to apply the criteria in a discretionary manner man i can can can europe like do something not cool this is this is great this is great you should have clearly laid out guidelines they should be fair for everyone and third-party products should work just fine as long as they follow the guidelines and you know properly interface with the device and you shouldn't go out of your way to break them like this all just seems like such obvious stuff

Starting point is 02:00:34 i'd wish it didn't take what what is this from 2015 yeah i wish it didn't take eight years to deal out sort of piddly fines it just seems like there should be a much faster way they might have had to figure it out this is kind of a weird thing to figure out i guess so i just i i wish the wheels of justice moved a little faster sometimes yeah obviously you don't want to you know wrongfully yep you know whatever but just you know this train thing is probably going to take years to resolve when it just kind of seems like don't do that you know stop um would be would be good yeah uh someone had an interesting point um that i that i want to kind of follow up about.

Starting point is 02:01:25 I don't remember her name, the AI person. I can't even find it in the doc. But that AI-created influencer chick. Yeah. Someone had an interesting point. At least in the US, I think, you can't copyright AI-created works. Anyone can be her.

Starting point is 02:01:44 Yeah. And then I guess, what, would they have like uh like a fan account you know disclaimer on their thing like would you even i don't i guess not yeah so like you could just ai create images of her doing things that are very bad for brands and then just post them i guess you could but. But then... It seems very... How would you get any traction on them? It seems a very attackable position. Oh, I guess, yeah. Well, okay, yeah, I see what you mean.

Starting point is 02:02:10 So you wouldn't really be able to be a huge AI influencer, but you could have an army of AI micro-influencers pretty easily. Yeah, that makes sense. Because it's a very assailable position. Anyways, moving forward. Twitch bans pretending to be naked i don't know how they're going to enforce this because it seems like what they were trying to do with that whole sort of thing recently with the artistic nudity thing was they were trying to

Starting point is 02:02:41 make the rules so more more clear and more open so that they wouldn't have to deal with this constant sort of argument about twitch's rules and the interpretation and the uneven um enforcement of them and now they've gone and they've given themselves a rule that seems like it's going to be very difficult to enforce evenly twitch is updating its content guidelines to ban implied nudity following a surge in nearly naked streamers covering their various parts in black sensor bars and streamers using strategically placed objects and careful camera angles to give the impression that they are nude according to twitch's post about the update while some streamers were correctly labeling their content as containing sexual themes,

Starting point is 02:03:28 which would prevent them from showing up on the homepage, others were not. I actually talked to Yvonne about this a couple times after that stream. I had meant to kind of come back with a bit of a more nuanced take on the whole thing because I think that during that WAN show, I basically was like, well, I mean, realistically, this is kind of what Twitch is anyway at this point. You might as well get used to it.

Starting point is 02:03:49 It's been this way a long time. And, you know, realistically, those minors that you're so concerned about are like six keystrokes away from seeing this stuff anyway. But then I said on the show that this was a non-user of the platform. I don't really use the platform. And so I went out of my way over the next couple of days to fire up twitch first because i was just

Starting point is 02:04:10 talking to yvonne about what we were talking about on wancho and i was like oh yeah there's this whole thing on twitch and i brought up twitch to show her to talk to her about it and immediately there was like breasts in my face and i didn't realize how bad it was yeah if i just wanted to use this site to see what i'm here trying to see even if even if i am you know super open-minded about you know pornography or whatever else and even if i was a pornography enthusiast maybe that's not what i'm on this site for right now and maybe i would actually just like to watch someone play video games or something else anything else and so over the span of the next couple days i was like okay let's play a game called i'm going to open the twitch app having never clicked on one of these

Starting point is 02:05:02 streamers before in my life although i was logged into the work account so strictly speaking i don't know if nobody's ever used it for that i don't think many people have the work twitch account i don't think so i think it's basically me yeah i don't think it's many it's not just you but um oh dan apparently and me and probably aj and probably avon and well yeah but yeah, but Yvonne would never use it. And definitely not for that as far as I know. I mean, I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool, but... Oh, no.

Starting point is 02:05:34 The point is... I decided to play a little game called I'm going to open the Twitch app and see how long it takes, how many scrolls it takes for there to be boobs in my face. And it was basically instantly every single time. And, and I,

Starting point is 02:05:54 I even was like, like, look at how bad this was. And without even looking, I scrolled it in front of her. I was like, okay, how many boobs were there?

Starting point is 02:06:00 And there was like five. And to be clear, he doesn't mean like, he means a, a a a very noted focus on that yeah yeah i don't mean that there happened to be you know mammaries i mean like that was obviously the point because this was at the height of the whole uh you know cutting off the frame right here and the implied nudity thing that was going on right in the wake of the artistic nudity uh rule change anyway um elijah said the first time i showed my wife twitch she thought it was a cam site technically correct yeah so cleavage is still

Starting point is 02:06:40 allowed however under boob is explicitly forbidden so to everyone watching on twitch where's the line where's the line like on a guy i don't know yeah it's is it just female presenting nipple where's the under boob that too i mean that's a tumblr thing right under boob do you even have any i don't know do i have nipples we'll never know look there you'll never know um oh boy all right yeah elder scrolls 2 daggerfall revived in unity so sick i want to play this i want to play the warcraft 2 campaign huh someone redid warcraft 2 in warcraft 3 reforged oh yeah i want to play the warcraft 2 campaign apparently it's only half of it now but maybe if they get some more maybe if they get some more support for it sorry this is not the topic that sounds great though that's a really good idea for a project in that game here a game

Starting point is 02:07:35 spot um warcraft chronicles of the second war okay how much traction does this have? Because hopefully it's a lot. Warcraft Designs. Yeah, it got 166,000 views 18 hours ago. Warcraft 2 Tides of Darkness. Ah! Yes. Ah! That's really cool. So cool.

Starting point is 02:07:55 I can't wait to play this. They say, look, it's a little janky. We're going to have to patch some stuff. Warcraft 3 Reforged is a dumpster fire. But, man. Ah, so it's remade and like, you know. That looks sick. Theoretically more modern,

Starting point is 02:08:12 but hey, Warcraft 3 Reforged was a dumpster fire. So, you know, it looks as good as it's going to look, but I can't wait to play this. I've never played the Warcraft 2 campaign. What? Yeah. So this is like perfect. Warcraft 2 is where it gets playable

Starting point is 02:08:27 warcraft 1 trying to go back and play it as a warcraft like you can only select like four units at a time it's like it's and the two would have been i'm sure warcraft 1 was fantastic when it first came out the two factions are completely equivalent almost i think necros and clerics have slightly different spells but you could like i don't know unless you could do like 500 actions per minute or you're not microing that stuff it gets impossible the interface is terrible um so so uh the maps have like very limited resources like even playing against the ai as a teenager like i would have difficulty breaking through what ai is hilarious because you just have you played one but not two i played one with you oh that's

Starting point is 02:09:06 right yeah why did we do that the first warcraft game i ever played was warcraft 3 and i loved it oh warcraft 3 is amazing i love warcraft 3 i love frozen throne i put an insane amount of time into custom games i kept somehow losing the like cd keys so i probably bought like three or four copies of that freaking i bought like three but every single one of them was worth it to be completely honest because i put a ton of time into warcraft 3 and specifically warcraft 3 custom games i played an insane amount of winter mall wars that's why i'm so excited about that new mode that you found for faf um survival survival mode yeah i i think once we kind of get it it's gonna be really fun because it reminds me a lot of some old tower defense games and

Starting point is 02:09:51 stuff like that yeah which i always loved i love tower defense very fun yeah oh hey uh if we're gonna report on whenever he's a complete asshole then i guess we should also report when he is not a complete asshole um logan paul is apparently finally offering refunds for that crypto zoo thing i don't trust it that's fair like the anchorman meme where he leans back and goes i don't believe you or whatever it is yeah all right well we'll see show me when it's done okay and then i will i will happily give that's fair that's fair because i completely agree if we're gonna you know we're gonna throw people under buses we should also give them props and they do good stuff absolutely but i just i totally right don't believe it until it's done that's oh apparently there's a catch oh no oh you agree to not sue and stuff oh no coffeezilla is apparently already on this

Starting point is 02:10:56 get them coffee oh all right All right. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Yep. Cool. Yep. Got to sign an indemnity thing to, all right. Well,

Starting point is 02:11:11 all right. Behold the claw. Yesterday, MSI teased an upcoming gaming handheld and today images and benchmarks leaked onto social media, indicating that the new device apparently called the claw. to social media indicating that the new device apparently called the claw will use intel's core ultra 7 155h and eight arc alchemist xe cores for graphics unlike the legion go and rg ally which use amd according to benchmarks posted on geekbench the device will have 32 gigabytes of ram here is a leaked image of the msi claw courtesy of at wnxod whatever that is

Starting point is 02:11:47 that looks like an ally sure does uh leaked geekbench information okay i'm a little surprised to see them use intel but i also don't have any familiarity really with the core ultra seven, one five, five H. And I don't really know exactly what these arc alchemist XC cores are going to perform like, but if it's anything shy of, you know,

Starting point is 02:12:15 steam deck, I think they're going to have a, an uphill battle ahead of them, but I'm, I'm excited to check it out. I'm I, I love, I love my ally.

Starting point is 02:12:23 I ended up sticking with the ally. I love the screen on the steam deck oled but um nothing i'm playing right now will benefit from that screen as much as i need the extra performance so right now it's all about performance i'm playing a platformer that i'm just realistically not gonna say because i don't feel like it did i say platformer it's more of an open world fantasy game yeah um and i just don't feel like having a conversation about it but it definitely requires performance and so i uh i'm sticking with the ally for the time being that makes sense why not a psp i'm gonna i'm gonna have some time this weekend because not try final Fantasy again,

Starting point is 02:13:08 but I don't think I'm getting that thing yet. Oh, we made him a new computer. Yeah. We have to make sure it works before we give it to him, so that's a whole thing. I thought you were just going to give it to me not knowing, to be completely honest. No. I was fine with that.

Starting point is 02:13:20 No, that's content. Oh, okay. Yeah, if it doesn't work, then that's content, so that's good. Got it. i was fine with that no that's content okay yeah if it doesn't work then that's content so that's good got it um but yeah i still have i still have my computer with the amd card laying on top of it um which i'm also fine with um but it's very unstable in this one part of final fantasy but uh i have some time this sunday so i'm going to check if there's a new driver update and if there is i'm going to give it another shot because I want to keep progressing. Not one person knows what game I'm talking about.

Starting point is 02:13:46 Good. Yeah, that's fine. I'm amazed at all the terrible guesses. I got it immediately. Why wouldn't I tell you guys if I was playing Baldur's Gate 3? Yeah. Greatest game. What would you say the best game in the last decade is?

Starting point is 02:14:01 Because that's been the new conversation. Is Baldur's Gate 3 the best game in the last decade? You that's been the new conversation is is balder's gate three the best game in the last decade um you're not gonna like this but uh i i think breath of the wild breath of the wild and i think it's a strong argument it's an absolute masterpiece yeah um i think it's a very strong argument there's other people in chat even saying breath of the wild wow no no it's not in the last 10 years come on also that legends zelda totk tears of the kingdom oh the tears of the kingdom was if you're comparing the two on their release i think you've got to go breath of the wild yeah breath of the wild was a moment in gaming man yeah and this was on a console that hadn't sold a ton of units yet right like that's

Starting point is 02:14:50 another thing to consider is switch yeah tears of the kingdom released to an install base uh that was an order of magnitude a lot of people bought switches for breath of the wild yes like 100 and yeah that's fair tears of the kingdom is breath of the wild but better but greatness is not the same as goodness and breath of the wild was great yeah um yeah breath of the wild if you yeah for sure i haven't played last of us part one um got some people talking about that genshin impact i want to play genshin impact but i mean genshin impact my understanding of it is kind of yeah breath of the wild but gacha and newer yeah um i gave it a good old solid shot because a member of our team an esteemed member of our team suggested it quite highly and i tried it and it wasn't really for me titanfall 2 i can see why people really like it

Starting point is 02:15:42 though titanfall 2 had a great story really enjoyed the gameplay but i don't think there was anything that said greatness to me like you have to have innovation too i feel and i think this might be a negative reflection on where shooters are right now more than it is a praise for titanfall 2 i think if you narrow it down to shooters i think tit Titanfall 2 was the best shooter in the last decade. But like I just said- Single player maybe, but- Single player, definitely.

Starting point is 02:16:10 I mean, when you talk greatness though, greatness has a connotation of scale. Did you play Titanfall 2 multiplayer? No. Yeah, but scale. Small. I'm sorry, but if you want to talk greatness, I honestly think you have to have conversations about Fortnite

Starting point is 02:16:29 over Titanfall 2. I'm sorry. Like Fortnite has done, yeah, sure, for a different generation than you that you might not be into, but they have innovated in a way that is changing the industry for better or for worse did they things like i don't think anyone has done an in-game events the way that for people actually care i genuinely don't know are you kidding me and then m&m's one recently i didn't even know he had one huge okay

Starting point is 02:16:58 huge i'm yeah mr marshall mathers still brings the crowds. I'm not surprised. So, you know, you gotta... You just have to kind of... Minecraft isn't the last 10 years. Yeah, you could make that argument if it was in the last 10 years. Yeah. But no. Yeah, Minecraft changed gaming in a big way.

Starting point is 02:17:24 Yeah, anyways, that conversation is literally cropping up around that game which i think is oh hey uh we have mr chu just posted flips inside did you see the video of the kid who finally beat tetris yes i was riveted i couldn't look away from it i can't i can't believe that that is human capability. Like, I can't even fathom watching this kid play. Oh, it's crazy. Do you know about the whole rolling thing? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:17:51 Yeah, fantastic. What? Fantastic. What? So cool. And how he missed the one break point. Almost lost it. The tension in that gap.

Starting point is 02:18:03 Like, what? Yeah, couldn't believe it very good the fact that someone else was racing against him at the same time and i think either lost their run or paused or something and then switched over to watch him win and was like congratulatory and very cool about it was also just like a fantastic reflection so wholesome on that community um yeah very very cool very very cool yeah so when we say beat tetris for those of you who are not familiar it doesn't end yeah but eventually the game crashes it can theoretically get to level 255 but then it just loops back to level zero or one or whatever but it will crash before it gets there i think is the issue i think it gets to a point

Starting point is 02:18:44 where you i i don't i don't know people are saying it runs out of memory runs out of memory yeah some some problem happens or or the amount of things that can cause it to crash apparently some news anchor like crapped on him that's stupid yeah yeah what do you not have basically told him to go outside and touch grass i mean it's not a terrible idea but the kid didn't look like super unhealthy or sickly or anything he probably does touch i would also so i actually agree but i would i would also throw out there that in my opinion he just set himself up for a career as a successful famous streamer yeah and he streamed the whole thing and if i remember correctly he was on twitch

Starting point is 02:19:20 um but was removed because of age restriction reasons so i think he was streaming on youtube or something but like tons of people know his name now he could play other games this skill is going to transfer to other imagine for a second if he took that and was like you know what i'm going to resurrect guitar hero let's make guitar hero cool again guarantee you he'd kill it he'd kill it created a career for himself at 13 and you're gonna tell me go outside and touch grass come on yeah it's like how much do you make as a mid tier news anchor or whatever like I think this

Starting point is 02:19:52 kid's gonna do all right might outscale you before he's like 15 yeah what were you doing at 15 maybe hold your horses a little bit I don't know just like y'all need to look up clone hero right now okay I do know about clone hero. It's super cool.

Starting point is 02:20:06 Um, this is the same way as people beat Pac-Man. Yeah. Riley and I had this debate earlier to, uh, was that today? What did it yesterday? Uh,

Starting point is 02:20:17 we had this debate yesterday. Um, I, I think a community can determine a beat point for a game if there isn't a clearly distinguished one or okay well this one they did have a beat point but it had only ever been reached by an ai player it hadn't been reached by a human one and that was the crash apparently there's like a percentage chance of crashing at various stages yeah here's where the confusing part gets though chance of crashing at various stages yeah here's where the confusing part gets though because he had planned to beat it at like level 154 or something and ended up beating it at level 157

Starting point is 02:20:51 so the argument is like could someone beat it at a higher level i mean watching me do that i doubt it but sure i don't really care as personally riley didn't agree but personally i don't really care as personally riley didn't agree but personally i don't really care as long as the community decides on a point if that makes sense yeah but you can decide and then someone will break past it anyway because that's how people are and then what was the point of deciding it anyway i don't know yeah i mean i just i know there's enough speed running communities sure there's enough of these types of communities where they kind of have to come up with something right because it doesn't make a lot of sense and i'm personally okay with them doing that because why do i an organic game

Starting point is 02:21:34 crash an organic kill screen i think that's valid i mean no one can ever be the first to get that again and i've heard that now the the competition moving forward is going to be like getting a higher score before you hit that crash whether that's through getting more like tetris's which is where you clear four lines at once i think i'm not really i was actually decently into tetris for a while there but not anymore um or just yeah other various ways of making try to try to manipulate your score to be higher before you hit that crash point and i guess that could maybe be by getting to a higher level i don't know anyway incredibly cool riveting and that news anchor lady's a jerk apparently like in the same breath pretty much she congratulated a 16 year old darts player cool because that's it's so much more outside and athletic than tetris honestly though

Starting point is 02:22:30 i mean come on please the finger rolling thing is so sick it's so cool i love that too that like they tend to wear gloves i think because the fingers like slide better by wearing like it looks like cotton gloves I don't know so interesting absolutely wild oh I think it's time for Wancho After Dark Dan processing unit just like oh okay Dan processing unit just like okay I was gonna check and see if he's streaming on

Starting point is 02:23:15 twitch but then I realized he's 13 he's probably not allowed on that campsite a a blue scooty blue scooty which yeah is like actually a sick name i actually it's it fits like you know he's 13 he's playing games what's your name i don't know i have a color i like a lot and scooty sounds cool yeah let's go i like the name All right. It's gotta be hard to come up with names. Apparently he was banned from Twitch for being too young. Yeah. Fair enough. I mean, he doesn't even have fully developed breasts yet.

Starting point is 02:23:52 What would he do on that site? Yeah, dude, like trash on this kid. His most recent video, the first time anybody, somebody has ever beat Tetris, 2 million views.

Starting point is 02:24:04 Come on. All right. Uh right uh dan hit me sure after getting into computers through your videos i'm graduating this year and starting my dream job in cpu design whoa that's super cool do you have any optimistic messages going into 2024 for my doomer generation i don't. There's no hope. It's one of those things where I feel like I'm in a really awkward position where I, I am a participant in, you know,

Starting point is 02:24:35 the whole millennial, you know, being crapped on thing that happened. Like I, I, I did join the workforce at a time that was not great. The worst basically. Sorry? The worst. Yeah, the worst, a little bit better than me pretty much. Um, I mean, it's terrible. Like I, I, I joined the workforce right as the 2008 financial crisis was happening and you joined right as it had happened. Yeah. which were really terrible terrible times um i i i watched as property values went up faster than i could earn money to put a down payment on something fortunately i was i was lucky enough to find a teammate really early in my life that put us both, I can't stress enough, finding the

Starting point is 02:25:27 right person to partner with for your life is the most important decision you will ever make, bar none, because it has a waterfall effect on absolutely everyone else. I was both lucky, and I'll give myself a little bit of credit for being a good job interviewer, I guess. But, you know, Yvonne and I found each other and put ourselves way ahead of our peers uh just by by teaming up very early on um which is what allowed us to get into the housing market it's what allowed us to fund linus media group time well it didn't feel like a good time totally the value of that house had gone up double in like four or five years or something absolutely like it was but looking back at it now it's great it's like hilariously low yeah like but psychologically at the time totally watching the the trend line it was it was terrifying because

Starting point is 02:26:16 it seemed like it could burst in any second so i understand and i sim i not just sympathize with i have felt a lot of what people feel but as someone who got out um and you know now run a successful business or hire someone to run a successful business uh like i feel like i i'm in this position where i can't really talk about it anymore i don't really know what to say because i don't have solutions i am doing fine um but i get it so it's like yeah it's crap um yeah i'm pretty sure a lot of people probably would have told you you were nuts when you got that place yeah but then yeah again looking back at it now it's like it's a bargain yeah but like it's like less than an apartment yeah like over half a million dollars on just like

Starting point is 02:27:06 like the place to live like are you kidding me like our i forget what our mortgage payments were but they were a lot like if we weren't doubling up our incomes there's there was no way yeah impossible yeah well i mean maybe her income not mine though but yeah it's i i don't know and it's it's crazy to think that it was so crazy back then and how bad it was back then is like a joke compared to how bad it is now yeah and we got lucky in a lot of ways man like when we when we bought the units that we occupy here that the one not the one i'm sitting in but the one that I would be sitting in if I was on the other side of that wall, they cost us $330,000 each Canadian.

Starting point is 02:27:53 Let me just see if I can, Rymar for sale, Surrey commercial. Let's see if there's any for sale here right now. Oh, no. Well, so yeah, Elijah is saying like, I wouldn't, what would that be? Uh, Abbotsford. I wouldn't like Abbotsford area. A, uh, where was it?

Starting point is 02:28:26 Oh no, i lost it lots of people are talking yeah i can't find any right now but they've they've basically like quintupled or something like that i don't know 780 square foot apartment not close to here like decently far out 400 grand anyway my point with these is that we got really lucky with the ones that we got at the in the first place but then experienced a lot of the same frustration as we wanted to expand yeah and found that the prices were going up so fast that as we needed more space it was becoming unaffordable as fast as as we could make more money fortunately we have run a very successful business and things have gone well and we've managed to you know find the space that we need but but you can't be just like a solid business anymore even no it's not enough very yeah or take outside money which we we're lucky enough to never have to do yeah

Starting point is 02:29:27 like it's it's brutal yeah south syria detached house starts at 1.5 million dollars canadian so you know 1.15 1.2 real dollars but still it's i don't yeah we say okay so here's here's another one of the problems too though is in saying real dollars i think that somewhat diminishes the fact that people here make less yeah so like that's that's something that's also complicated either because people here have access to socialized services that other people have to pay for like when you actually break down everything it sort of depends it's not as black and white and regionally it's very very different yeah and also in certain career paths it's very common for those jobs to cover that for you depending depending it so it's all it is never if you think it's as black and white as socialized health care bad or

Starting point is 02:30:28 you know this job good or whatever benefits package downsides and upsides to it is always shades of gray if you think you know for sure you're wrong it's that simple i'm sorry and i know that for sure which means i'm wrong only sith deals in absolute yeah exactly uh yeah elijah's saying minimum wage still 15 bucks yeah that's also just like what what are you supposed to do with that you're a sith now what's going on he's obi-wan kenobi you know you can kind of pull it off with the beard clone wars era obi-wan it's you know you can kind of pull it off with the beard clone wars era obi-wan it's not bad it's actually pretty good anyway sorry i have no good news and it looks like it's gonna get worse yeah it's only getting

Starting point is 02:31:17 worse like with interest rates being like they are i thought like housing prices would at least go down yep not happening like what the what the i can tell up still so you're just gonna have these like gigantic corporate overlords that own every place to live and then you'll just basically be well there's their mercy record levels record levels of Canadians leaving the country because they can't afford to live here. And then that microcosms down to

Starting point is 02:31:52 there's also tons of people leaving the province we're in for other provinces inside of Canada. So this is like a multi-step process. Alberta has stopped running ads to encourage Canadians to move there because they're like oh this is a lot of people yeah

Starting point is 02:32:08 please don't eat me before before he would have even heard you say that elijah was like can we start a smaller ltd in alberta because everyone in canada is like oh boy gotta go there it's the only place i can afford to live. And that's gonna change. Oh man, well, the Maritimes was good until COVID and then apparently a bunch of people moved out of the city and started just work from home there. Prices up. Drove prices up like crazy.

Starting point is 02:32:36 Yeah. We just... Yeah. Let's start our own city elijah we've talked about it stop you do great you could do it you do supreme taryn can run the business you can run the calls i'd make way more money than him cults seem to be very profitable we don't need money yeah from we have linus yeah company store do the whole shebang yeah yeah imagine all of the money that the company makes never actually leaving see ken says we do in linus town again yeah you know yeah i live in prince george make decent money but will never own due to rent and housing prices yep yeah i think that's true for

Starting point is 02:33:34 most basically an entire generation of people yeah which i don't know how the heck you could do it like even okay unless you have parent money or something this is gonna get me canceled by someone but like speaking of parent money even being in a position where my kids can afford to stay in the lower mainland because i can just facilitate that yeah is that the life i want for them yeah all their peers are going to leave yeah none of their high school friendships will remain or they'll just be peers with people to leave yeah none of their high school friendships will remain or they'll just be peers with people who are also kids of people who can do that and which is also highly questionable yeah like as a parent of rich kids i um still don't want my kids hanging out with other rich kids yeah um i i want my kids

Starting point is 02:34:34 spending the vast majority of their time with down-to-earth people who don't take things for granted and stuff. We've actually been talking about doing a, um, doing, uh, an experiment, not an experiment because it's not really an experiment when you just do it. But Yvonne and I have been talking about moving out of our house for a year, um,

Starting point is 02:35:01 um, furnishing and accessorizing a place based on two sort of median ish incomes and living like that for a year. Because I feel like, um, are you doing vehicles too? Well, it'd have to be. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:19 Yeah. Like, I feel like you can talk about it all day but i don't think that my kids can possibly fully understand that most people don't have a sports car and a theater and all this stuff that they for them is just life for me is sweat blood and tears yeah and for them is just it appears it appears i mean and i'm guilty of it sometimes for christmas um you should you should come into my building we can have pipe birthdays together it'd be great for christmas santa got the family uh a bamboo labs 3d printer which is as much for me as it is for them which is how they end up with a lot of the stuff they have

Starting point is 02:36:12 but most people don't have a 1200 3d printing setup i uh yeah i don't know man i i i feel like i feel like there's a lot that they could learn and i don't think i don't think a month is enough yeah i i think i paid so much for that pool that i am loathe to give up a summer with the pool but i think if we did an entire school year like there's already a lot of things that we do pretty well like my kids don't go to the cafeteria at school i feel they always take a lunch i feel like i'm hit without the summer without the summer you think so because the summer is going to be the most concentrated point in time where they hang out at home and

Starting point is 02:37:00 do home things well remember there's in my experience when i was growing up there's lifestyle changes we're gonna have to make regardless of home like they are not going to be able to be in as many programs as they are like they just they they they do you know martial arts and dance and and choir and band and like like all some of it's you know run through the school or whatever but some of it costs money and um they're gonna have to make they're gonna have to make choices house swap give him my apartment i don't think i don't think he wants to be living in his house for a year um funny funny idea though um yeah i don't i would uh yeah because like i'm thinking back when i grew up we did a lot of things but one that was kind of i'm sure if my brother and i like really desperately wanted to my parents would have tried to find a way because they were like that um but ice hockey was kind of

Starting point is 02:37:56 not really in the cards because it was so expensive ice hockey especially at a competitive level was extremely expensive because a lot of those teams were like flying around and stuff to play games. Yeah. And the gear is wicked expensive and you're growing out of it all the time. So you'd have to buy new gear all the time,

Starting point is 02:38:18 but something like ball hockey, for example, like we were going to do ball hockey pretty much no matter what um you just needed sticks and we never had the cool sticks we never had the nice sticks yeah um but like we could do it we could play football we played football all the time my parents had me in a lot of programs is what i'm kind of trying to argue to a certain degree i don't know man don't sacrifice your children's development this is a different kind of development he's trying to get them more like it's yeah they don't taking this the wrong way i don't know man we um it's it's it's

Starting point is 02:38:56 something we've talked about i mean i do think there's ways that you can concept you can keep kids more grounded regardless we have a lot of rules um we they they lead pretty structured lives and stuff like they don't just get to do whatever they want yeah and so even though it's it's a funny thing even though we have a lot of different stuff that they're allowed to do the really good stuff they they have to sort of they have to pay for it in doing you know practice this or chore that or whatever else um like i probably played more video games than my kids do at uh at my son's age because he's just like yeah it's there but he's not allowed so he's like a really good kid it's kind of shocking

Starting point is 02:39:40 i don't get it but uh yeah i don't know i uh all in all terrible idea why i don't really get that i don't think taking away the extra curriculars is a good idea yeah i hazard that one a little bit too but i don't understand why any of the rest of it would be a bad idea elijah seems like a funny rich issue this is a joke we are spoiled so i will buy another house to teach them how to be humble i did think that was pretty obviously wouldn't buy it just throwing that out there yeah like obviously um you'd set up a leaseholding company which would own the house in trust so that you can defer your taxes sorry i wouldn't

Starting point is 02:40:23 i wouldn't um yeah see this is another one jph 290 says i know this is not exactly perfect but you can have the kids see what poor is really like in another country that that to me actually had exactly the same problem as as that other thing is like what we're going to learn what it's like to be poor by being rich enough to jet set around the world and witness poor people in their natural habitat like i that seems so much worse but i i don't know i mean i'll tell you this yvonne did a uh did like an outreach program thing when she was a kid and did you know like they built something while they were there in the community yeah and for her that was extremely impactful but then yvonne like me also grew up in a house that had to budget every month so was it that or was she just already grounded and that you know was the final hit on the nail and then it was you know cemented as part of her personality

Starting point is 02:41:20 i don't know i don't know i've i've just i've read some really interesting no guys stop okay we gotta stop this is important we gotta stop there's a comment so in a housing crisis you're going to collect yet another house in your housing quiver no no no stop stop i'd make sure someone's living in ours and no i wouldn't be buying he's not buying it he literally said he's not buying it okay stop oh man i love this i like hamburgers you hate hot dogs then no i didn't if i didn't say something then i didn't say it can we can we agree on that maybe um sorry what was i what was i saying before right yeah um something that i've read about a fair bit is how the like the the the number of generations oh that wealth last that wealth lasts and it's like three crazy and then it's

Starting point is 02:42:21 gone like every single time because it it's there's all kinds of problems with it but it's like three crazy and then it's gone like every single time because it it's there's all kinds of problems with it but it's not not technically every single time not it is very common but it is extremely common there are particular families that have found a way to make it go for like literal ever um but that's a part of that might just be the incredible wealth of those families because you can squander a small fortune very easily but with a big enough fortune you can squander really hard and it just is a perpetual motion machine yeah i only learned recently about why people um hate billionaire philanthropy so much not the like the image cleansing aspects of it but the fact that i

Starting point is 02:43:06 think it's in the u.s they only have to spend put i think five percent of the money into what they actually say they're doing so if their returns on the money they put in are greater than five percent they actually make money overall and it's a tax and it's tax free so you just get yeah it's a whole it's a whole thing. I just learned about this recently. I don't actually know much about tax havens and loopholes and all that kind of stuff. I pay my taxes. Oh, boy.

Starting point is 02:43:35 But anyway, the whole thing about wealth not lasting multiple generations is because the attitude and mindset that makes you start a business and take risks and build it is not passed down by living in opulence as a child. And so the kids might have witnessed a little bit of it, but the grandkids are completely detached from any of the hustle that ultimately led to that success and they just blow it or something. So, yeah. Why do you hate housing linus i know right

Starting point is 02:44:09 yeah balmer is about to make a billion a year in dividends he could squander a billion a year and still be richer yeah exactly i don't think that's the only one i think some families have very strongly baked in preserve the wealth stuff sure and there's but i think that's very abnormal there's communities and cultures that also have very different attitudes about money than others yeah yeah tough man i uh anyway the point is just i want my kids to be good people. I want them to be real people. I want them to stay that way. I agree. I just like,

Starting point is 02:44:49 it's, um, I think that there's a lot of time. I'm not, I didn't say that to dissuade you from any further effort. Yeah. There's just, there's a lot of developmental years left for things to go really,

Starting point is 02:45:00 really wrong. Oh yeah. And so you're entering some of the worst ones. This is, this is a super first world problem and i 100 understand that but i will do anything to keep my kids from being douchebags yeah because that's like the worst there's two people that grew up not wealthy at all yeah uh more on the poorer side i it's obnoxious i didn't like the rich kids me too like at all me too no offense

Starting point is 02:45:26 yeah um but me too like they just kind of sucked no offense there are exceptions um absolutely like i know yvonne talked about one of the people she worked with that one of the pharmacies she worked i'm not going to identify anyone but they grew up like jet set lifestyle and didn't want any money from mom and dad not because they had a bad relationship everything was great but didn't want anything wanted to hustle like like 100 grind set and just super down to earth and i'm like yeah but like you can't point at an exception like that yeah and go okay well then it'll everything will be fine right like even if the odds were 33 then two out of our three kids are going to be assholes so like we gotta we gotta figure this out man yeah like i i've i've definitely met some exceptions too but a lot of the times it's just like excessive out of touchness um so like even

Starting point is 02:46:24 if there's no intention there yeah it's like oh you need a replacement part for that game why don't you just throw your pen to new one yeah exactly i i've told you this a story a billion times but uh there was a person uh when i was in a certain class at a certain school there was a person who dropped they were holding their laptop like this yeah and they dropped it and it smacked into the ground and they just laughed and my brain just shattered because i couldn't understand at all because you'd protect that thing with your life yeah yeah and if i dropped it which like okay sure i used to render ltd videos yeah holding my laptop open so that it would cool better walking between classes like it was sketchy but if i ever

Starting point is 02:47:01 dropped it i would be like broken um not laughing about it like it's just it's there's some there's some like context aware things where your automatic reaction in certain scenarios if you've never had any exposure to like life being difficult is going to be not really okay to the people potentially around you my kids don't value money yeah at all that's not good it means basically like i remember jobs i mean yeah of course and then what happens so okay but they haven't needed one totally like what would a kid get a job for well what did what did you spend your money on i mean i bought just like dumb stuff i bought candy i like saved and i would buy really early on sort of big ticket

Starting point is 02:47:50 things um like i i would buy i bought a gpu upgrade for our family computer the biggest purchase i don't think i've ever talked about this the biggest purchase i think i made with like allowance money like as a kid was i paid for the cable internet drop from the street i remember you told me about oh i have told you about this okay um my parents agreed they would pay the monthly bill if i paid the installation and that was it was hundreds of dollars it was i didn't have money but i had all my five dollar a week allowances and birthday money and all that stuff and i was like i want always on internet let's go um but like my kids have always on internet they have a switch they have a gaming p what on earth would they buy yeah i don't know like i have all the cool toys because

Starting point is 02:48:35 i just like most of the games i make videos about setting up toys and i like i'm assuming they have cool toys this is all the stuff that i wanted when i was a kid right yeah so then they just like already have it yeah i don't know dude i don't know most most of mine was saving up for computers or computer parts or games or when i was very young it was candy um yeah elijah my son does value money to a degree not like i did when i was his age though like i wanted it you know whereas i think to him it's kind of like my brother and i wanted money so bad we didn't really have a traditional allowance but sometimes my mom would set up certain chores that we could do for money that were kind of like extra um and i remember for the snes my brother and i were on like uh you you mentioned this term earlier we were on a grind set for that snes i think my mom was just like making up chores at a certain point um like going and like digging up rocks in the backyard and like

Starting point is 02:49:29 sorting them so that it was less rocky ground stuff like that um but eventually we got enough money to buy a snes but my mom also hooked it up there because this was a lot i don't think craigslist was like a thing i don't know how she found it but she found like some dude we bought a snes off in a parking lot um and i remember like sitting in the car with my brother while my mom goes out and does this deal for a snes in a parking lot recognizing at that age like this is kind of sketch but she got it to us because it was way cheaper than luke stolen goods lafreniere right here baby yeah i don't know um but it was yeah it was like it was when the n64 was already out so it was a last gen console um but i think that was honestly i don't know if it was because we weren't as wealthy or if that was because that was less of a big deal back then

Starting point is 02:50:20 i don't know because i still thought snes was like super cool when n64 was around i thought it's just a different style of games like n64 was more attempting to do 3d stuff and snes was more like perfecting 2d stuff i don't think either of us had as much access to advertising at the time though ah that might be it yeah like i didn't see a lot of ads because we didn't have cable, so... Yeah, fair, yeah. Yeah, I was kind of the same way. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:50:48 I was like, oh, he just has this toy. Yeah, like, that friend has that one, and that friend has that other one. Yeah, and I didn't really see them as, like, better, necessarily. I got really stoked when I figured out one of my friends had an original NES, because I was like, whoa, cool,

Starting point is 02:51:00 I haven't played any of these games before. Like, I didn't really see it as, like, this one is newer, therefore better. Yeah. Man, this didn't really see it as, like, this one is newer, therefore better. Yeah. Man, this has definitely created some... Man, this has definitely created some debate in the chat. I don't remember the last time I saw chat this active. People are everywhere from, like,

Starting point is 02:51:18 this is a great conversation to, you know, this is the most entitled horse shit that I've ever seen in my life or whatever. Just let them be kids. They can learn that later. They can't learn that later, though. Like, that's the thing. you know this is the most entitled horse that i've ever seen in my life or whatever just let them be kids though they can learn that later they can't learn that later though like that's the thing it's so formative later kind of is now yeah anyway uh was that one merch message yes good gravy how you doing dan yeah i'm good okay i want to hit me again sure uh let me find the thing uh hey dale all question for luke i'm a recent software dev grad but i feel as though i'm not

Starting point is 02:51:53 skilled enough for entry-level jobs in your experience are graduates given some slack to learn on the job one imposter syndrome is a hell of a thing in the software development industry. Industry? Oh, my. Industry, largely because a lot of people are learning constantly or Googling things or stack overflowing or strategy-puting things constantly. And I think there's some insecurity around that, despite that being a thing that everyone does. So don't beat yourself up too much.

Starting point is 02:52:21 despite that being a thing that everyone does. So don't beat yourself up too much. There is absolutely, or there should be, absolutely opportunities to learn and grow on the job for a junior because there should be opportunities to learn and grow on the job for everyone in the stack, including seniors. That being said, if you're being actively paid, you're going to be expected to produce something of value. So it's not like you're just going back into school, but this time school pays you. You actually have to make things that

Starting point is 02:52:52 bring the company value. You're just going to have, as a junior, you should have more time and opportunity to work through those problems than other people may have and you should hopefully have access to it depends on where you end up working you might be the only developer there but you you may depending on where you go have access to seniors that you can you know bounce questions off of but you should try to solve it yourself first you should take the opportunity to try to do that. And then if you get hard stuck, then you can bring it to them and see how you can move forward. Um, but, but yeah, I think that would be my answer. Don't shy away from applying, uh, places are probably going to send you tests and things like that and do the tests. And if you don't get callbacks after the tests, don't worry about it. Just move on to the next one and

Starting point is 02:53:42 keep going. Uh, you need to get in somewhere you need to start getting some experience on your resume and you need to start getting some experience just as a developer as a person so just send it um don't take it too personally don't get too imposter syndrome uh before you end up getting a job um uh work on your portfolio if you can keep training keep moving forward we're all gonna make it your portfolio if you can keep training keep moving forward we're all going to make it hello wan.dll long time viewer first time shopper linus i've noticed their increase on camera time have your littles expressed personal interest in content creation how do you respond um they love being in videos but i think they specifically like being in videos with me like i think they

Starting point is 02:54:25 like doing what i do they're kids right they um i i'm just grateful they still think i'm cool as cool as i can be uh they actually were in shooting a video with me today that um i think is going to be just a blast we build luke a computer but with a twist i don't know how much I want to say about it. Let's not say too much. Let's let the people experience it. Um, it's a really,

Starting point is 02:54:52 really fun video. I'm very excited for you guys to watch it. And I am also very excited to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be great. That's all I'll say. So,

Starting point is 02:55:03 um, as for just making videos on their own, no, I don't think they have a ton of interest in it. And I'm not sure if I'd even encourage it, really. I want them to, the more I think about it, the more I want them to find their own path. I'm not, as they get older, I'm also not going to shy away from showing them as much as i

Starting point is 02:55:26 have in the past like if they want to participate i think that's pretty cool we'll pay them for their work uh that's something that i've talked about a lot in the past is um content creators who seem to think that their children are their property and they can just exploit their labor and just take all the money never been a fan of that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me but i also think that um but i'm also not going to go completely the other way and just go yeah my you know my kids should never be on camera they um i i doubt it's going to have a significant impact on their later life if they build a computer or two like we have a very different kind of channel than some of the channels that do based around your kids yeah do feature their

Starting point is 02:56:11 children a lot you know experiencing milestones or doing embarrassing things or whatever else like my kids like they're building a computer like what who cares like it just um i i doubt there will be a ton of negative impact on on their later life from being in a video with dad on his youtube channel at some point when they were a kid it just seems kind of far-fetched um and they're yeah they're uh they're they're having a lot of fun with it and it's it's fun to do things with them. Yeah, it's been okay. Because like blocking them out completely, I think would be weird. But having them on all the time would be weird.

Starting point is 02:56:50 They show up every once in a bit. I think that's cool. I think it's on people to kind of find the balance that works for them. It also depends how much they want. Like what's inside, you know, talking to the dad. And actually, and Lincoln as well like they for them that was a thing they did together and they bonded over and like it's super memorable and stuff right like

Starting point is 02:57:11 that's um like yeah did the family you know does the child actually want to do this too yeah that's huge because if so then you know sure run with it but if they just hate it all the time then like what are you really doing, I'm not going to force anything. Yeah. Hello, LTT. So I've got the LT Steam Deck and it has sticky buttons. So Valve RMA,

Starting point is 02:57:34 have you experienced sticky buttons or heard of it? I haven't heard of it specifically around the Steam Deck, but something that I did want to talk about, the reason I curated this one, is that even mature devices can still have a lot of differences from one unit to the next, and one of the things that can cause a plastic part to fail can be worn out molds. And I was just wondering, and now I'm going to wonder aloud exactly how many steam decks valve has sold because i can tell you right now it's probably enough that valve has had to remake the plastic molds

Starting point is 02:58:11 for the steam deck possibly multiple times which is a tens of thousands of dollars process if they want to do it on shore uh with a with a high degree of quality um to make like a really long lasting mold that was it that yeah and as the molds wear out you can run into tolerance issues exactly like this so i do wonder maybe if you know they had a worn out mold and it didn't get replaced in a timely manner or you know whatever else i wonder what the differences are between the first steam deck and the last steam deck theoretically you know they they are the same but as it gets plastic flowed through it more more and more and more times they they do change a little bit i don't know a ton about the exact materials processes that are taking place there but it's

Starting point is 02:58:55 something that i did have to learn about with the screwdriver because we had to make a decision actually it might not have been screwed over might have been something else but at some point we were making a decision between um different molding materials and whether we wanted to go with the more expensive one that would last much longer or the cheaper one that would last a shorter period of time. And it comes down to how many you think you're going to sell, because that cheaper material is great as long as you're only going to sell 10 or 20,000 of them. But if you're going to do hundreds of thousands, then you want to really invest in a super

Starting point is 02:59:23 high quality mold, which costs a lot more because it's made out of harder materials that are not going to wear out as quickly that was it i just thought that was cool i want to talk about that from what i can find the three million unit number that people are throwing around for the steam deck is a estimation i don't think valve has announced it yeah there was a research research firm omdia they reported that the steam deck sold 1.62 million units in 2022 not sure why they think they know that or not i haven't looked into the report at all uh and then their report estimated that the steam deck would pass 3 million units sold um sometime during 2023 but that that's a complete estimation and that's not valve necessarily saying the 1.62 million units that's a research firm not sure where they got it from it might be

Starting point is 03:00:10 very good information it might not i suspect it's a lot more than that at that price i feel like it is too with that kind of reach no idea there's just we just don't know i just the number of them i see around like i that is your yeah like a little bit like on the ferry or whatever you see them on the ferry yes i see i see steam decks in the wild man so it's i don't know man i uh i suspect there's a lot of steam decks out there i'm always pretty surprised at how many people have them i also think it's kind of interesting that when i say i don't have them how surprised people are because they're like what i do like that's very often the response that i get um so yeah they're they're they're they be out there um yeah key pass and sync thing was the best decision i made what do you think about not being able

Starting point is 03:01:03 to disable google prompts i store 2fa secrets in it because it's the most secure thing i have i hate that not being able to disable google prompts like it asking you to store passwords no no google prompts that's when you go to sign into something and it's like i just sent a notification to your phone just click okay or press a number or whatever i'd like to be able to choose um that's the only thing i hate about it overall it seems reasonably secure as secure as anything else i think it's actually pretty good yeah yeah i do agree though i would like to be able especially because it's yet another or factor yes so yeah can you talk a little bit about what is required to get one of the fair phones to work on a canadian

Starting point is 03:01:51 network i want one but see that it doesn't come with canadian bands when uh when stock um i didn't really have a ton of issues using it i didn't set up anything special i just used it um it's possible that my particular carrier uh uses bands that the fairphone just supports or that my area has good coverage of the particular bands that the fairphone does support your mileage may vary but it was that was not my issue with it by the way i managed to get i started carrying my iphone in my other pocket while i was i've switched off the fairphone now i'm back to the note um i wanted to use the one plus open but apparently bell took it for ce he says for ces so he can you know do more planning like okay um anyway so i'll wait i'll get it from him after ces but um good job though yeah so i i started carrying around an iphone so that

Starting point is 03:02:42 i could the ways so i could record the buggy behavior from the Fairphone. Man, I've got everything from the earpiece not working on phone calls, to the main speaker not working when watching videos, to the brightness going like this, like high-low, high-low, high-low, high-low in a dark room. Like just... It's going to be a really disappointing review. That sucks. Yeah, I'm bummed.

Starting point is 03:03:07 I wanted it to go well. Hey, DLL, hope y'all are having a good night. Which companies are you most excited to see at CES? I'm really excited to go to Hisense. Apparently, they made something that just shits on the TV I just bought. Like, absolutely makes it look like a clown product for the new thing like incredibly bright sdr it apparently can do double the peak brightness 10 000 nits what's going on is there was there like a new technology discovery or something he's he's checking if he can say i think that's what my guess is a context for 10 000 nits

Starting point is 03:03:50 oh thank god okay this is not proprietary secret information oh yeah oh you're wondering about what you had said already oh yeah oh no oh oh that's not much worse um 10 000 nits you're like blind so is that a flashbang 40 000 local dimming zones oh how big is the tv 110 inches so it's a little bit smaller but more local dimming zones but more so you could move a mouse pointer around on this thing and get barely any blooming as far as i can tell wow absolutely and i'm assuming you could get it in north america without having like a chinese phone number and they claim 95 of bt 2020 what are you 2020 yeah that's what i'm talking about man this thing sounds wild and then right next to them on the show floor tcl is supposed to be there with a north american

Starting point is 03:04:53 version of the thing i just got oh yeah so wow i guess i didn't need to import it with i mean it's a cooler story that you did that. Yeah. And like... Yours is special now. It was worth it for the content to deal with importing it before it was available in North America. 100%. I'm really glad we did it. Do for the gram. Yep. Yep.

Starting point is 03:05:17 Anyway, I'm really looking forward to that. I also want to see all the weird AI stuff. So exciting. Hello, Linus. As someone who loves folding phones do you think apple will eventually make one if they do do you think it'll help make folding phones go mainstream i don't know apple seems almost resistant to doing anything cool with their phones lately what have they done it's felt very safe like put like more holes in it like i just don't really or less yeah or

Starting point is 03:05:45 less i don't know man like it's uh it almost seems like they're stuck in a rut where they recognize that what people love about the iphone is that in six years seven years having not paid attention to tech at all people can go to the store say my iphone is slow can i have a new one and it works exactly the same way that their old one did like that's great from from like that that's great from a customer consistency customer experience standpoint but it's not exciting it's just boring oh so boring happy new year dll luke i'm thinking of getting a budgie or two and was wondering if you had any tips or resources for me i had a cockatiels growing up but uh so i have some experience with owning birds emma my my girlfriend is more knowledgeable about birds and the care of birds than i am i like to think i'm no slouch in that regard but she's she's

Starting point is 03:06:46 much better studied um look up because i don't want to say it and be wrong look up uh the things that you shouldn't have or be doing near your birds or probably in your home at all some of that is like cooking with teflon some cleaners are also included in that um they are like mostly made out of air um and if airborne things get into them uh like i mean we were happy that our budgie gained weight and became 30 grams um so they can they can be completely taken out and no longer be alive very very very fast um so you need to make sure that there aren't bad contaminants that you're not like cooking stuff that can overwhelm them uh that you there's no people are saying no smoking in the house they're not kidding um no smoking in the house um that that can be really bad for them um they're very very

Starting point is 03:07:46 fragile beings as birds they hide when they're sick um they don't want to look like easy targets to prey so they hide when they're sick there's some ways that you can kind of tell look it up this is something you're going to need to know because again they can die very fast they're not super resilient so you need to get them to a vet again they can die very fast they're not super resilient so you need to get them to a vet very quickly if something does go wrong um also be very active with their environment when you first get them they'll be very shy they might hide in their little box for a long time stuff like that but they're very social animals they're going to want to hang out with you but you need to constantly poke them out of their not actually not actually physically poke them lukewarm tips but you need to shake the cave if they're sick just shake the cage but like

Starting point is 03:08:35 change up their environment give them give them something that they're not comfortable with yet um last night i just put a random recently cleaned so that I knew it would be safe, uh, but a random sock near their cage, just one that they hadn't seen before so that they would be like, huh, what's that? Is it safe? Is it stimulation? Yeah. Keep them active.

Starting point is 03:08:55 Keep them stimulated. They're, they're smart and they're very social. So keep those things rolling, spend actual time with them, um, and change up their environment and stuff so that they have to learn new things get used to different things um accept different things as safe they'll also accept things as safe faster and more easily when they're needing to do it all the time um and that includes you so if you're having a hard time socializing with them if you're having a hard time like getting them to land on you stuff like that um get them used to getting used to

Starting point is 03:09:26 things yeah anyways i'll stop there hey dll i've recently tried to stop shopping on amazon but i'm at a loss on where to find all of the things i used to shop for how do you find storefronts for high quality reliable products well ltdstore.com let's go you're getting all the brownie points tonight oh man um i i just i google um i look for places that seem pretty credible there's easy ways to make mistakes like that like i almost bought uh badminton shoes from a site that was just fraud once yikes yeah um so you know look for independent i do reverse thumbnail search by the way that's one of the things that i do okay um i try to figure out if the exact product pictures they have are from elsewhere sure but if it's from the manufacturer site that's fine

Starting point is 03:10:15 by the way a lot of smaller sites will not take their own do their own product photography they'll just borrow from the manufacturer but yeah um one of the other things you can do is i don't know reseller ratings used to be a thing um i i haven't i buy i buy a lot of stuff first party these days yeah like when i bought the the bamboo printer i just went to bamboo's website like i just i don't more places offer that now yeah it's so it's more possible now yeah um i remember being frustrated actually quite recently because i wanted to buy something and the manufacturer didn't just sell it amazon only stores are very annoying no it wasn't an amazon only store it was just there was just something i wanted to buy and i was on the

Starting point is 03:10:55 manufacturer website i was just like i just want one of these why don't you just sell it to me um like what's your problem but it makes sense like setting up e-commerce is not easy right yeah a lot overhead a lot of legal issues and stuff too um before i forget uh you mentioned you're excited to see all the weird ai things at ces you should like keep a tally of how many of them you can like break oh no that sounds like too much work you're're an AI fridge? No. You're helping me buy a car. Yeah, or like learn how to make napalm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that that's often what you reference from the book.

Starting point is 03:11:33 Because it's my favorite part too. My sister-in-law has a smart fridge, which I only found out when we visited over the holiday. And she actually uses it like to play music in her kitchen and i was just kind of yeah it has a screen on the front you can like load up youtube music videos i love the ones that kids her kids love like watching music videos in the kitchen i just sorry i just it was one of the music videos it was one of those product categories that i first saw at ces 12 years ago or whatever.

Starting point is 03:12:06 And I was like, well, this is stupid. This will never be a thing that matters. And like in my house where I realistically could have bought a smart fridge if I really wanted to screen on it. I kids can watch 1000% decided not to do that because it seemed like you'll have to watch music videos on all the other screens in the house yeah i um i'm sorry i've gotten completely distracted because apparently alex jones made a video game yeah when was this this is for your fridge no but this was a this was a bit ago I think

Starting point is 03:12:47 if I'm thinking of the right thing um no this is this is from like two days ago two days ago oh boy uh well good luck with that everybody oh boy uh oh wow

Starting point is 03:13:08 well good luck with that everybody well the website is alexjonesgame.com alright oh boy wow do you see the like oh boy yeah wow do you see the like wow it's all reviews right now are overwhelmingly

Starting point is 03:13:32 positive um yeah okay so there's videos of a ton of different people playing it so I think I've seen like thumbnails for people playing this game, which is why I knew about that. I wonder if they have Asmon's permission to be in their trailer.

Starting point is 03:13:56 Well, they must have sent him the game. Yeah, yes. Interesting. That seems like an unlikely collaboration. There's also, I mean, there's other streamers in here too it's not just asman all right okay uh sure let's move on uh how long until we can get vr headsets that are able to be true monitor replacements i think it's a bit apple vision pro that i it is i don't know the the people who have tried it say it's amazing i haven't tried it yet if it's as amazing as they say maybe it's super amazing otherwise i would say we're probably a bit off we just had kind of a big leap and i

Starting point is 03:14:42 would say maybe it's the next leap or the one after that where you can like really comfortably replace the high dpi monitor that's right on your desk but one of the issues i have with it is yeah the comfort side of things i don't think i would want to do that for eight hours in a day um i wear headphones for eight hours a day what if it was just as comfy on if it's just as comfy sure but it's not headphones aren't on your face yeah but it becomes just as comfy but i mean that might be the break-even point right it basically needs to be just as comfy it needs to be that comfy wearing headphones yeah and like i wouldn't even want to wear these all day i hate these these suck so like it's not

Starting point is 03:15:25 even like headphones in general haven't just solved this like some of them are good some of them are going to be better than other ones i feel like i could wear my my sennheisers that i have at home forever and it would never be a problem um but these are are not these are not okay um so yeah i have a headache right now yeah like i'm not sure if it's the Alex Jones game or these headphones. I think I'll put that on my list. I'll get new headphones through here. Okay, another one for you. Hey, DLL, I'm a teacher in Texas, and this year our standardized tests,

Starting point is 03:15:57 the written responses, both the short and the long form, will be graded by a custom-trained AI. How do y'all feel about ai as a grader uh that sounds really dumb texas i don't know if i need to elaborate on that let me get this straight we're concerned about the students taking shortcuts by using ai but we're actually going to enshrine the teacher's right to take shortcuts by using ai in the in like the worst way the grading portion really come on is it gonna hallucinate somebody's essay? Anyway, okay.

Starting point is 03:16:49 You hand in an essay on like Ponyboy or whatever. Is it Ponyboy? No, Golden. Stay Golden, Ponyboy. Yeah, Ponyboy. I don't think the book is, is it the book called Ponyboy? No, no, no, no, no, no. But you hand in an essay on Ponyboy. It's a good song.

Starting point is 03:17:02 I think it's by Sophie. I don't remember. Yeah, Outsiders. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You hand in an essay on Ponyboy's a good song um i think it's by sophie i don't remember yeah outsiders yeah you handed an essay on pony boy from the outsiders uh and it's like your essay on war and peace all right has these various but i just hallucinated a different essay for you i'm gonna grade that one if you don't mind i did perfect and like it's not gonna show its work so how is like if if a teacher has to vet it all anyways aren't they just gonna have to read the whole essay at which point why don't they just grade it

Starting point is 03:17:35 yeah exactly it's a book what did It's a book. All right. AI graded him. Yeah. Hey, Linus, did you hear about City of Heroes developer officially licensing the biggest fan server? I didn't, but that sounds super cool. Yeah, I curated this. I did not hear about this either.

Starting point is 03:17:59 That sounds awesome. That sounds super sick. So what is officially licensing a fan server? I don't know city of heroes has been dead for a long time okay um i'm assuming what this means is they legitimized this fan server because sony's not doing anything with this dead game anymore um so maybe you have to own a copy of the game similar to how forge alliance forever does it which is great fantastic solution in my opinion um i don't know i know none of the game similar to how forge alliance forever does it uh which is great fantastic

Starting point is 03:18:26 solution in my opinion um i don't know i know none of the details i've never heard of this but them it it sounds good super cool um in other like kind of cool sounding news for a change um this i also didn't know but this is a uh merch message from tony c uh thoughts on rockstar buying modding platform cfx and nc soft giving official blessing oh wait oh no this is the nc soft thing uh okay hold on rockstar buying cfx okay no i don't have thoughts on that no i hadn't heard about either of these things sorry i've been buried under a rock this week apparently but the nc soft one is super cool sorry i thought i misread this so the license that sony gave the city of heroes fan server the fan server i saw the name for a second i think it's called homecoming yeah fan supported homecoming server for for city of heroes

Starting point is 03:19:15 receives official license from publisher nc soft surprising players the license allows the admin team to continue development. My God. That's amazing. That is... And this is Sony who's done this? It says... I think it said Sony in what you said, but this says NCSoft.

Starting point is 03:19:36 Okay. That's kind of amazing. Yeah. NCSoft's decision to embrace the FN server... Not sure what that means um shows a shift in sentiment giving hope for future community content in the gaming industry this is what should happen this is amazing if it's one thing if a game dies out because the developer can't maintain it anymore or whatever else and uh no one cares fine then just let it

Starting point is 03:20:06 die i guess but if the community wants it to keep going if they're sure small but dedicated enough they should be allowed to yeah i don't know if uh someone else misspoke or if i misspoke or or what uh but yeah sony has definitely nothing to do with this well that makes more sense you didn't say sony that makes so much more sense okay yep sorry verbal typo it's getting late um all right last message i think it's being very cool dll playing games with my kids is my favorite thing to do and they're getting better they're finally starting to walk straight linus what are your favorite games to play with your kids oh um man anything anything they like um play faff with little man now yeah yeah um the uh teenage mutant ninja turtles beat him up was pretty fun to play with them that was cool

Starting point is 03:20:54 uh i was one of lice's kids that day uh ultimate chicken horse um they they really like that just the the trolling and. Fun party game. Uh, one of my favorites is Takeling's House Party. It's a VR game, super niche, but it's a lot of fun and the kids just love the silliness of it. Can't play it all the time. No, no. It's like.

Starting point is 03:21:18 Fantastic when you pull it out. Not very often. It's a hit every time. Yes. It comes out. Yeah. You want to kind of limit it though. And i think that's pretty much it for the show hey thanks guys for tuning in we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye

Starting point is 03:21:34 you may want to consider i know i'm still late but we may want to consider on weeks where there is absolutely nothing to talk about yes honestly a lot yeah weird shower shows i i think yeah sometimes when there is when the news just doesn't matter yeah i don't even want to talk about it not yeah i was just bored yes

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