The WAN Show - I Could Use A Friend Right Now - WAN Show August 2, 2024

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

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what's up everyone and welcome to the WAN show we've got a great show lined up for you guys today i forget what the title of the video is so i guess i'll leave that one for luke you're gonna buy a friend or something yeah yeah i could use a friend right now and i can buy one and hang it around my neck forever uh super weird i'll always be with you uh oh this is great news remember we said it was going to be a good news when show well i've got lots of good news i can buy friends and online marketplaces are responsible for selling dangerous third-party products that is so cool the actually awesome might be still going but maybe less than stuff what else we got today i'm sure there's gonna

be some bad sides of that but we'll talk we'll talk about it in a second uh can the eu save video games a few weeks ago the eu registered stop destroying video games as a citizen initiative and we'll talk about how that works how you can maybe help it things like that later um also skill-based matchmaking might just be better i don't know i didn't think i liked it so the show is brought to you today by manscaped one password and moose end not to be confused with moose end which would be a moose's rump ah yes also our chair uh chair partner which support our rumps thank you very much thank you for tying that all back together.

Professionals. Really appreciate you, Luke. Buy a friend. A new AI company called Friend wants to solve the scourge of loneliness. Get this. With technology. It's a wearable necklace that acts as a companion have you seen this luke have you heard about this i sure have the wearer can speak or even message

the friend device over bluetooth and the ai will respond over text the ai may also listen in and comment on whatever is currently going on in the user's immediate environment. However, any data collected is only stored locally. Hmm. I mean, until they update the TOS, I don't know. Yeah. Or get acquired. Yeah.

Unlike the R1, so that's from Rabbit, and the Humane Pin, this friend only costs around $ hundred dollars and requires no cellular connection as it uses bluetooth so at least i don't have to buy a subscription to this friend is there no subscription i don't know there might be a subscription i mean does it matter kind of because if there isn't a subscription then it's like almost more of a sign that it is definitely this is like if i was this is like if i was telling you look it's a good there's good there's a cockroach salad company right and you're just like oh but but there's no subscription who cares it doesn't matter it's irrelevant what is this oh that's probably one is that coming through there's there's a motorbiking trend going around the office a lot more yeah they're doing some uh yard work outside either way the friend company raised two and a half

million dollars from investors giving them a valuation of i forget exactly was it what it was i think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of like tens of uh tens of millions of dollars or something like that but this is great the company has reportedly spent $1.8 million of this money on buying the domain friend.com. Hot take? Probably best move they could have done. Really? I don't think you could have possibly,

possibly gotten the news out about this device to as many people as they did if they didn't blow $1.8 million on a domain. I i mean it's the only reason i'm talking about it yep and it's the only reason anyone's talking about it so they're idiots like a fox as far as my understanding goes they have enthusiastically embraced everyone just trashing them for the domain and like spread the news more huh i think it might have literally been like part of the plan there's no there's you can't count on that there's no way it was part of the plan but it could be part of a savvy response okay to what's going on i mean

the fact that they didn't hide it already i guess is the fact that after buying that domain yeah uh outside of what they've or including what they've raised they had what five hundred six seven hundred thousand dollars left they had to make a device produce the or maybe just not i mean have they actually have they done more than show a prototype yet i mean here let's have a you know what screw it i'm gonna i'm gonna buy into it i'm no i think you were vulnerable there's a difference oh my gosh friend not imaginary wait what no i think it's imaginary this looks pretty imaginary to me right now that digital that's a that's a shell with a wire on it that's not that looks like the thing

ursula kept ariel's voice in in the little mermaid that's not wait what this is have they have they shown anything talk pause read dan how bad is our audio uh okay do you do you want to ask them if they need to do that this has never happened why is this happening at 6 p.m on a friday i know right it's like guys i will personally cover your overtime for you to not do this right now um anyway the point is here's the product luke and i could not noticing this really doesn't look that much like the one that the guy was wearing what's included in the box white case can you buy it

right now when does it ship no no it's pre-order it's pre-order i see i i you know what i think this might just be i don't know what it is i i actually don't know what it is, Luke. This is... Start shipping. I mean, they're not even close to done. This is four months. This is four to seven months from now. This is basically a Kickstarter, but without even the safety net of Kickstarter's terms.

Is there basically any? I mean, no, but terms and conditions like what what like look you you spent won't give you your money back this is great you spent a fortune on friend.com but you incorporated your company as my tab ai inc what even what what even is this? That's interesting. We operate the website as well as the blah, blah, blah legal terms collectively, blah, blah, blah, close confidant for everyday life. We will provide you notice of any scheduled changes intended for 18 years. We recommend you print a copy of these legal terms for your record. Hold on. uh-huh

well wait this constitutes a legally binding agreement agreement to what hold on that there's no there's nothing to agree to here is this just a meme this has got to be this has got to be just a joke so i found my tab.ai, which leads to a personal companion thing. It's like the worst website. There's a pre-order button. You click it. It goes to Stripe checkout. It says no longer taking orders.

This looks like the same thing, though. So they pivoted. But it looks like the same product. Interesting. Can we? Is that coming through still dan okay this is this is wild is there a plan to talk about donut media today what would we talk about i don't know i hadn't planned to talk about donut media today

i'm really more interested in the uh i'm really more interested in the friend.com mystery because i'm finding it extremely fascinating james left oh no way whoa oh really where's the news on that okay wow that's huge here it is goose auto works wait this is a month ago though i think that's why i left donut speed all right i'm james and i'm leaving donut he was a super nice guy i uh goose waterworks is different yeah i i really enjoyed working with the whole team down there um when i went down to collab with donut yeah he seemed super cool so uh hey yeah from everything i know about him which is that i think he seemed super cool when i met him and as far as I know he hasn't had a pedo scandal yet

seems like we should be giving him it just seems like we should be giving him our support you know building up the non-pedo youtuber community thank you thank you for going above and beyond

what's left of him i guess oh man apparently there's other friend uh ai necklaces in development so here's oh my god this is called based hardware or is this the wait what what am i man he looks like the age of person that would be starting based hardware.com i i have no idea what i'm looking at right now i don't know if this is if this is uh a promotional video for this product oh yeah okay look you can you can order now friend dev kit only 69 okay come on there's no way these people aren't meaning there there's no way this cannot be real based hardware pre-order now for 69 shut up i just want to know if anyone has like ever shipped any of this stuff no there's no way isn't just like a bluetooth dongle on a necklace essentially yeah

and unless there's a subscription there's no way they're going to be able to provide ongoing access to any kind of meaningful large language model running in a data center somewhere unless you want to talk to grok i feel like grok's not going to help you out that much if you need a friend though it might be based and edgy um but i don't know if it would be ultimately helpful anyway our discussion question here is is this actually a good way to deal with loneliness? And you know what, as much as, um, as much as this might come across as a bit of a cop-out, I have to confess that I don't necessarily feel that qualified to, uh, to talk about this. Um, it's been, it's been really, um, it's been really eye-opening seeing how many people commented on the video earlier this week

where I talked about the passing of my sister, Emma. Um, it's been, it's been really eye-opening seeing how many people commented on the video earlier this week where i talked about the passing of my sister emma um it's been it's been really eye-opening to see how many i mean and it makes sense right like every human dies so therefore every human experiences loss right um but it's it's been it's been incredible to see you know how much empathy there's been from the community it's been um it's been incredible to see, you know, how much empathy there's been from the community. It's been incredible to hear people's stories, and I have read a lot of them. I can't reply to all of them, but as you guys know, I read a lot of YouTube comments. and what it's meant to them, what's helped them. And the really sad ones are the ones where people are talking about not having a support network and urging me to make sure that I'm using mine. And I'll tell you, I have been using mine.

I've leaned on my family, my friends, my wife, who is also family. But for some reason, when you say family, a lot of people don't necessarily know that you mean my wife. Yeah, I think bloodline yeah yeah exactly um and uh and so i guess what i'm trying to get at here is i i don't actually i don't feel qualified to talk about if this is actually a good way to deal with loneliness so if anyone in the audience is kind of looking at a product like this and going you know what that would actually be really helpful to me.

Or I could, I could, I could see this being a stepping stone to learning to talk about my feelings better. Like I, I kinda, I kinda want to hear from you guys because, um,

I, I don't, I don't know. Like I, I wouldn't use this, but I also have the privilege of having the best, like, counselor slash companion slash friend on the face of the earth. Yvonne. And I also have Luke.

I knew who you were talking about the whole time. When you did the lean over gesture, I was like, what are you doing? I was just messing with them. Oh, okay. I do think, I mean, there's a they they they call the loneliness epidemic right like this is a huge thing yeah it's a total thing asked if i remember correctly the average adult male has 0.5 friends or something like it's it's less than one is what i remember um and that has got to be kind of rough a question i would pose for you yeah you said i wouldn't use something like this i have a great companion if you were stuck in a like basically like an isolation room

like maybe you did one of those like uh mars experiment things i would talk to my i would talk to my necklace yeah i think i would too i would and maybe and maybe you're right maybe the answer is as simple as that if i was was isolated enough, would I resort to this? And there's no question. I mean, humans need contact. And I think that we would accept fake contact before we would accept no contact and no interaction with anything. If I'm being totally real, if I'm by myself,

I already talk to myself a lot. Yeah. So I don't think it's going to be really that different if the thing replies yeah but then what happens when it deflates but yeah people people like if you leave someone alone in a room for long enough they're going to personify like practically anything they can because humans just do be like that um i could see people getting a use out of it i think you should really try to not allow it to replace or stop direct human interaction yeah but if there isn't any i i feel like something's probably better than nothing yeah but is, are we accepting a crutch? I'm concerned about that.

What we should have is a splint and a cast. Are we putting ourselves in a position where we're making the journey ultimately more difficult by putting this fake interaction into our lives? Avon just commented, and it's probably very true it just like hurts to even read but he said abandoned elderly may benefit yeah it's like yeah probably yep because it's it's one of those situations where like if your only social interaction ever is care workers coming in and like dropping your food off and leaving immediately because they have 10,000 other things to take care of. Yeah, you might.

It's just that sucks, but it's probably real. I think speaking of things that are probably real and ultimately where we're headed, a long-liners in floatplane chat says, can we skip friend and just get to robotic waifus? Yeah, that's coming for sure. Yeah. Well, that's that's not phrasing i didn't mean it i didn't i didn't intend it is what i meant that's not sorry sorry

okay all right all right all right what i was trying to say is that's not coming eventually it's coming right now i mean you can already you could already interact with versions of it don't they yeah exactly like you can interact with an ai like an ai voice of like some twitch streamers and stuff like that so yeah this is totally a thing it's just a matter of when real dolls are going to integrate it right like it's some form of collaboration or something or just do it themselves yeah it's not the only thing they're going to do themselves dang it we're gonna get them someday gentlemen we're 17 minutes into the show

we made it past so what is the youtube's thing i Gentlemen, we're 17 minutes into the show. We made it past, so what is YouTube's thing? I don't know. Like five minutes or something? Hey, 17 minutes in is pretty good for me, so. It's a new record. Oh, no. What am I supposed to do? But not in age.

Oh, whoa. Next topic? Okay, let's move right on uh what are our other headline topics today you know what that means i'm just terrified of it skill-based matchmaking is just plain better in response to discourse condemning skills-based matchmaking activision has released a 25 page white paper revealing a secret experiment where they massively reduced the impact of skill in matchmaking for half of modern warfare three players in north america according to their results around 90 of players had lower overall play time and were more likely to quit during

matches with only the most skilled of players being unaffected by the change. Now, hold on, because I want to back up and say, other than reading the words together in the order they're in, I don't actually know exactly what skills-based matchmaking means in this context. I got you. And why anybody would be upset about it. Sure. Hit me. So completely non-skills-based matchmaking,

it's not really matchmaking but like completely non would just be like pub servers back in the day you have a dedicated server list you jump into whatever server is there you're playing with those players completely matchmaking version of that would just be filling random lobbies with people automatically but based on fifo nothing yeah yeah exactly first in first out um skills-based matchmaking would be that you would have some type of like mmr a matchmaking ranking sure um and in this case it would probably be hidden so you don't necessarily know what your matchmaking ranking is but it's going to match you up with people that are similar to your ranking as best as it can okay so then

follow-up question um who the actual donkey f**k thinks that skills-based matchmaking is a bad idea i think like like is this not complete like is this controversial like i do is this a hot take there are i don't know if it's i don't know if it's a hot take uh for the actual average person necessarily but there is definitely a loud amount of people that uh don't like skills-based matchmaking i know that for what reason exactly i don't know necessarily i can think of like i think it would be maybe hard unless the matchmaking rank that you have is public uh-huh which i know some people don't like that because then they feel like they're constantly playing ranked which you technically are yeah you just don't know that uh-huh but unless it's public

to me a negative feeling that could come from it is that you feel like you're constantly on this treadmill of skill where you never really feel like you're getting that much better compared to other people because the game is constantly pairing you with people that are of the same goodness right so by so what by their logic anyone should be allowed to be in the olympic freestyle swimming finals and if someone if one person happens to be really good then like and one person can barely swim that's like are you entertained by this like sorry what i do think every olympics should have like an army of like gym bobs uh that are just like average dudes and they just show them alongside the olympians to

like show the gap i would i would actually like i know this is not original idea people have been saying this for years i would love it if it happened because because like you see these people perform and you're like that's cool yeah but like i maybe this is some sport i've never seen before um or like i never really understood the gap like you see someone dive and they have like three droplets come out of the water yeah like i don't is that good and then you see some like random dude just flop it's like a huge wave and you're like oh okay so there's actually like there's there's difficulty here i think that would be fantastic but anyways i don't really get the argument i prefer skills-based match

and the thing is i honestly speaking like i to me this is so um and i'm so sorry if it i sound like such an a**hole sometimes because some well no sometimes things just seem really obvious to me and then i like, isn't this obvious? And then people are like, wow, Linus is mean. That wasn't obvious. There are things about skill-based matchmaking that makes things less interesting to me personally, for sure. Okay, well, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Let me back up for a second, because I, like, okay. Maybe, and maybe part of it is just my lived experiences that make this obvious to me. There's a local badminton tournament. It's called Badmintology. And they usually do about two to four tournaments a year. And that's what I signed up for when I did my very first badminton competition.

And they had, they're gamers, they're memers, it's a young group that runs it. And so the way that they had their their gamers their memers their it's a young group that runs it and so the way that they divided their brackets uh was blue shell red shell and green shell and the description was blue shell is for competitive players at a very high level uh like if you've ever competed provincially or nationally basically basically, you should be in here. Yeah, exactly. Red Shell was if you play regularly and compete hard. And Green Shell was for if you are just getting into the sport

and you're looking for a friendly competition. I signed up for Green Shell because that was a description of me. I was playing every week, but I'd only really been doing it for six months to a year or something like that. for green shell because that was a description of me i i was playing every every week but you know i'd only really been doing it for six months to a year or something like that i showed up for my first match got absolutely f***ing shit wrecked by someone who was sandbagging in a lower tier and i guess for me what i realized from that experience was that that's not fun i didn't have fun did they have fun like like honestly would would okay here here's a good example would magnus carlson have fun like destroying my son

at chess? Have you seen some of his like, he puts a blindfold on and then plays five people at the same time? That's totally different. So sick. No, I know. I know. Because I'm talking about in what is supposed to be a level match. I'm sure it would be. And if he did get some kind of perverse pleasure out of that, I doubt it.

Would we think that that's cool or admirable? No. Would it be fun for, I mean, if he, and I'm not talking about him taking the time to give a tutorial on, you know, what he was doing and why. And that's, I'm talking in competition because we're talking about this in a competitive gaming context, right?

Where people are competing to win. How could anyone look at that and go yes that is good and honorable and enjoyable and i have i have always said and this a lot of this was inspired by my experience in that first tournament where someone who had absolutely no right to be in green shell but it was self-assessed right so they just decided that they were going to be green shell because they want a medal essentially right is that metal valuable i mean we mock participation trophies but you're basically self-opting into a participation trophy for yourself by like competing in the kids league like what's wrong with you i think you have some i think you have some long-term resentment over this uh this particular well it's not it's not the resentment it's a desire to fix it like i will tell people i will

tell people all the time i would rather lose a match 25 23 then oh yeah then win you want good 21 four yeah someone tried to bring up uh fast philly said some people do love that stuff remember tarkov and i don't necessarily think that's true for tarkov i understand what you're trying to get at but like when i used to play if you could tell like you can you can see in tarkov the level of the person that you took down um and if they were a low level player i wouldn't necessarily automatically do this but i would if they're a low level player i'd look at the kit that they brought in and be like is this a low level player who's played a lot but just they didn't go super hard this season yeah or is this actually a new player and if it was a new player i'd throw all their stuff in a bush so they get it back in

insurance because like i actually don't i'm not like super proud of that w, you know? Yeah. But I think sometimes like some things that I do like about not skill-based matchmaking is like, if I think about playing TF2 mostly, most of these are going to come from TF2. Sure. But I think about playing TF2 back in the day, especially with really big lobby games. If it's like a five versus five,

I can't think of many scenarios where I like non-skill-based matchmaking, but big lobby games, you'd find like the one good person on the other team. And even if you weren't doing that, well, trying to like hunt that person down, had a very deep level of satisfaction to it. Like maybe I'm not doing that great in the game. But if I can impact this game by taking down their star player every once in a while, through like certain weird type of gameplay, then that's like really fun to me. I think there's

emergent types of gameplay. I think there's emergent interactions that happen from mixing pot instead of skill-based matchmaking and i think there's a little bit of forever treadmill that comes from skill-based matchmaking sure um that i think might be result like part of this story is that 90 of over of players had a lower overall playtime when it wasn't skill-based matchmaking. And I don't know, personally, that all of that is just because they enjoyed the game more. I would say that as much as I do think skill-based matchmaking is in general better,

I suspect some of that increased playtime is because of the forever treadmill of I'm always slightly behind. You never had a game where you were number one you never like these things didn't really happen because the game is designed to not really allow that to happen sure so i don't know i understand why some people might think it's negative yeah personally i think overall it is more positive i do see a lot of people talking about how like, what if I, you know, just want to relax and play a game for fun without trying too hard. And it's like, right, but the issue is that you're playing a competitive game. So the other team, they don't have the luxury of deciding, oh, I'm down. I'll just try and win. oh, I'm down, I'll just try and win.

And so it's not about you. It's about everybody having an opportunity to win. And that, to me, I mean, that's the very, that's the foundational core of competition. If one side decides who's going to win, would you tune into a sporting event like would i think that's why the tf2 examples stand out to me because as much as i am definitely tryharding because i sort of do that all the time and everything but in tf2 it is much more of like an arcade game yeah with a huge lobby because i'm used to like 16 versus 16 arcade style gameplay

and then that's where you're going to get a lot more of those emergent cases where you can like headhunt the top players and all this other stuff yeah and but in tf2 just through the sheer law of numbers unless people are being complete you know and jackasses yeah and it's going to average out a lot better it will the chances of it averaging out it's also a more chaotic game yeah there is absolutely skill in team fortress 2 totally but there's also absolutely stepping on uh a bomb just because you know it was flung across the map like it's like it happens right and so i think that i think that tf2 is is an example of a game where as long as people are not maliciously intentionally stacking the teams then it's not nearly as much of an issue

but honestly i'm so glad you brought that up because we all know that team stacking is a dick thing to do and essentially when you argue against skills-based matchmaking you're saying well i should be allowed to be on a stacked team yeah i don't feel like it happened that much in tf2 though i i think across the board i don't love it but in certain games like in cod it probably does make sense yeah yeah i i don't think there's a very good argument against skill-based matchmaking in cod but i do think there's other games where it's genuinely fun there's no way that i would play halo infinite without skills-based matchmaking it would be a complete waste of time a top level player is on such a different level that they would just wipe the other team grab the flag drop it wipe them

when they respawn and carry it back like it's's just, it's not, are they having fun? And if they are like, what's wrong with them? You know? Um, I'm sorry. I, I,

I definitely see how there are, how there are formats where, where skills-based matchmaking might not make that much sense. I mean, even, okay, coming back to Halo Infinite, the one semi-competitive game,

I guess I play that actually has, uh, what's what MMR, I guess is what our player what's the player uh ranking uh it like it depends sort of on how it's being handled but if you say mmr most people know what you mean yeah so so it's probably the one game i play these days that actually has like a persistent mmr that chases you across all the different formats but if you're playing big team battle yeah i could see them playing a little faster and looser with it yeah because things are just sort of generally more chaotic but if you're playing like a 4v4 format one person being out of whack completely destroys the gameplay experience for everyone including themselves whether they realize it or not the the i i just thought of another argument that might

come up for the anti-skill based matchmaking crowd is is that some games do lock you out from being able to play with your friends if there's too much of a gap yeah i know that used to be a thing and that's a bummer but like the answer to that is just allowing user servers right like the answer to that is not to not have an mmr and not have skills-based matchmaking in my opinion that combination of dedicated user servers and skill-based matchmaking is the absolute prime that's the way to go yeah and i'm not saying i'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to play with your friends or you shouldn't be allowed to i mean uh luke and joe and i would uh would lobby up with my son when he he's getting kind of sweaty

actually i was gonna say he's probably better now every time i play with him he's a little better i know but we would lobby up with him and we would know that we're gonna have to carry him and that you know the matchmaking is going to be a little bit weird because i'm gonna go probably well i'm i'm all over the place i'll be anywhere yeah I'll be anywhere from like sub one to one to like four to one, depending on how things are going for me. Anyway, genuinely pretty confusing. Doesn't matter.

The point is that Luke and Joe are both really good. I'm this X factor. And then my son's going to, it was going to go like, you know, one in 15 or whatever. So we knew that was going to happen. And,

and, and I would never argue that you shouldn't be allowed to play the game you want to play it but there's a time and a place and you have to understand why these systems are in place and that it's not about you it's about it's about creating an environment where everybody has a fair chance to win and bad skills-based ranking yeah that sucks yeah like if you've got if you've got skills-based matchmaking and you're being dumped time and time again into matches where you are getting absolutely just destroyed um there i mean it could be one of two problems it could be that their their

skills-based ranking system is not very good or it could be three problems it could be that the servers are really light and that they just don't have a lot of options for matching things up. But problem number three is that you could have run into three holes who are playing on Smurf accounts and are ruining the system for everyone. Yeah. So to me, the, I mean,

the problem so often is not the game, but the gamers. yeah um i think if everyone in good faith engages in like a skills-based matchmaking system i think it can work really well i think you especially run into trouble if people are not um i don't know man i feel like i'm gonna end up like lit up on r slash cod or something like that over this but i've had worse maybe there's parts of the argument that we don't know i don't know but it seems pretty straightforward to me i don't know what my something i like so if if there if there isn't dedicated servers and you're still just using matchmaking on both sides something

i like is when there's when there's ranked and the rank is very much in your face and when there isn't ranked and it's still skill-based matchmaking, I prefer it if you can find it, if it's possible. Sure, don't show the up and down after every game. Don't make it a center feature thing. But if I can go into my profile and find it somewhere, that's kind of cool.

Because for me, I would like to know if i'm getting better if that makes sense yeah and i mean for me i i did find it frustrating that when i was when i signed up for playing ranked you know that i am because when i was in that mood i was playing ranked but when i signed up for quick play or whatever else it turned out i was playing ranked as well like i think a lot of this could be solved by these companies just having a separate game mode that is skills-based ranking or not skills-based ranking i mean providing player choice is never a bad option but what i suspect that people would discover is these high skilled players that want to go dunk on noobs in the not skills based ranking mode are going to discover that none of

those people want to be in there with them like i used to sweat super hard in league of legends and something that i would do is in the non-ranked mode um is that a thing pretty sure that's a thing am i tripping no yeah there's yeah there's ranked and not ranked okay it's been a long time i haven't cared about league in like a decade um but when i used to sweat in league i would only play very specific characters in ranked and i would try really hard yeah and then in not ranked maybe sometimes i'd play those characters but i wouldn't really be trying as hard or I'd be experimenting with new item builds or something usually I'd be doing something

that wasn't exactly the same as what I'd be doing at ranked trying a new item build trying a new opener trying new laning partners trying a new lane even maybe even going as far as trying entirely new characters like I don't want to be evaluated at the same level as I wasn't ranked so i do appreciate that as well who's your main uh i used to call

her ashy and then i heard people that run the game say her name and now it's ash apparently oh and that's fine oh oh man luke that's a silent e i liked e i liked ashy more i prefer that name ashy yeah all right yeah fun fact that's my little brother's nickname as a like small small child oh cool yeah um anywho what are we supposed to be doing dan he's not paying attention i am i just have my mic muted in here he was cutting the grass you could hear hear him. That was Dan out there. My extra job. Mowing the lawn. He's got to pick up some side hustles. You know, LMG doesn't pay like it used to.

We can do merch messages in 10 minutes, or you could do another topic up to you. Sure, let's do another topic. What about this one, speaking of Dan? Sure, go for it. I didn't even look at what you clicked on. Do your invoice, Dan. Oh, yes.

Okay, so we talked about this previously on the show. Dan has not invoiced me correctly for the help with the memorial for my sister. So, I have put a note in the show today. Dan needs to make the invoice and send it to me now, or I will not proceed with the show.

Okay. I'll wait. Luke, you can talk talk but i will not participate in the show until dan is done sending me a proper invoice uh what do i go talk about i i'm ch5609 says value yourself properly dan sent me an invoice for the help that he gave me that was not enough. And so I have informed him that he will send me a bigger invoice. And I talked about this on the show a week ago or two weeks ago. I have since then sent him three follow-ups, and he has not returned an invoice to me. To be fair, it was on my personal email. Yes.

Which is extremely reasonable, but I guess I just don't check it enough i i don't think that was the reason dude i like never check my personal email it's like a problem actually oh yeah my personal email is just like delivery notifications like i yeah i basically don't have a personal email which could be a problem someday if i ever just don't work here anymore get fired or something. There you go. All right. He promises that I have a proper invoice. I sent you a proper invoice once.

This is a larger number money for a different rate card, but sure, whatever. Whatever, dude. Fine. I don't know if I'm offended that you thought that I would give you a good rate or something just because, I don't know.

I don't know, man. No, Dan, look, I don't mean any offense by it. What I mean is that people should be valued for their... Look, Mark tried to comp me for the... Ah, what was it? For the compilation. From that one

for the second... We had to do a harrowing experience. We had to do a harrowing experience we had to do a second memorial because my grandparents couldn't make it to the first one and there was a whole bunch of family drama around that anyway the point is uh we had a compilation uh which by the way the footage from the first one turned out great thank you very much dan and brandon our old camera editor our camera editor our old camera guy actually helped with it as well so they both helped put the whole thing together for me um anyway mark tried to comp me on the compilation that he did for that and i'm having the same argument with him him i can't leverage stopping the show until he i didn't comp you you did

let me put it this way let me put it hold on i haven't even looked at this number this is this is pretty funny to observe because... Makes me feel bad. I think Dan is genuinely frustrated. I am. I don't know. He specifically said, don't give me a good rate because... So I just gave him the rate card for the work that I did.

And now he's like, it's wrong. Give me the different rate card. So now I feel bad and I'm getting called out publicly on it. know i've been stewing on this and it's like no we need to have a conversation because i think i believe very strongly that you are undervaluing your time that's what that is my for that service that you bought from me no no no because because the the reason you can do that service is all the is all the wealth of experience that you have like yeah you didn't do that much but other people couldn't do it i guess yeah no yes yes it's important even this i don't think the hour count is right, but that's okay. You sent it to me in a sheet so I can just edit it.

Oh my God. This guy. All right. That's good enough. At least I'm on a Google sheet. And as far as I can tell, I have sharing privileges on it, so I'll deal with it.

Good chat. I'm quitting freelancing. These clients are awful. They either don't pay or they're like i i can't i don't understand what a tip is just pay me in cash it's like you say five percent don't tell the government oh no oh boy uh i have an update while we're in the announcement section i have an update on the uh the video we did where we reviewed people's setups internally oh yeah uh i went to go actually buy nolan a monitor but he has two sick new ones already that monitor was just like a bait was he memeing on us his other monitors were like flood damaged so he borrowed that monitor from a friend i want his lunch back he was i want his ten dollar uber eats gift card he was waiting for his like flood

damage insurance and then just balled out and bought two sick monitors all right well i mean i was legitimately gonna buy him a monitor yeah whatever excuse you give yourself it wasn't good i was yeah literally shopping for what he was gonna he would have done it he would have got you a birthday present wow he thought of it and everything? Wow. I can't fight this. It's indefensible. Man, speaking of... The number of people that were upset about the prize being lunch in the form of a $10 Uber Eats gift card, even though we altered the headline...

Yeah, I mean, it was the prize, because there is no prize, because it's just a funny video. But it was crowd strike it was we actually had the unaltered headline and then it like changed it was a hee hee ha ha is he's joke is joke he's funny he's funny he's so funny you know what doesn't hurt merch messages let's do some merch messages the way to interact with the show is of course merch messages don't leave a super chat or a twitch bit leave a merch message go to lttstore.com we've got all kinds of great products for you to check out over there including

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Oh, yeah, I'm sure. It looks good on you, though. Thank you. Of course it does. It's a nice shirt. What did I just see? Yeah, what do you guys want from me, okay? What do you guys want?

And anyway, the reason we're featuring this one is not for any reason other than that Maria, who worked on the photos for it, was really proud of the photo shoot that they did and really wanted us to feature the pictures on the show because we didn't do it before that's super cute they're great photos she has really been stepping up her game yeah the product photos are doing doing very well oh yeah outstanding look at this how cute is this no way i think they're in the same place that we did the photo shoot for the

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Whatever. Colton has the, yeah. We're Colton's pregnant. James is pregnant. One of them is pregnant. I think, I think James is posing as Colton's partner and Colton is pregnant.

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a merch message and check out and it'll go to producer dan who will i don't invoice you bitterly complain about just you know wanting to be valued for his work or whatever um he'll forward it to someone internally or reply to himself pop it up at the bottom like this or he will curate it about just you know wanting to be valued for his work or whatever um he'll forward it to someone internally or reply to himself pop it up at the bottom like this or he will curate it for me and luke to respond to why don't we do a couple curated ones to show the people how it works sure let's see hey lld question for linus after getting hands-on with the zotac gaming zone are there any features that you think would make you switch to that from the ally i mean the fact that it is the only non-steam deck that has um if i recall correct man i don't want to say

the wrong thing so i'm just going to i'm just going to double check and make sure that it's the right one that i remember i believe it comes with dual trackpads though yeah if i recall correctly it's the only non-steam deck handheld that has dual trackpads so if you wanted the improved performance of the z1 extreme compared to the steam deck which is a significant uplift um but you wanted dual trackpads then this kind of seems like the only game in town everything else about it seemed pretty fine i guess um but i think that is their most obvious um that's their most obvious selling point uh the adjustable triggers is kind of cool personally i don't use them but this really opens up different gaming experiences that with dual joysticks is not necessarily possible i know it's a bit of a dead meme but um civ yeah touchpads like that is a lot nicer

dead mean people love civilization i just mean like we've been saying that for like eight years or something oh sure it's always been the example for like oh this would be cool oh i can use this steam controller from like what what was like 2015 or whatever so i can play civ on my couch like it's been the same example the whole time wow people are super called out kiffrig is like i'm playing civ right now yeah that's cool how dare you good i added the last part he felt it though hit me dan hello guys a month or two ago raspberry pi went public many worry that they will now become like any other greedy corporate company what are your thoughts i would be lying if i wasn't a bit worried that is sort of the point honestly speaking i

have been i i've been kind of observing that the Raspberry Pi Foundation already wasn't really doing Raspberry Pi Foundation things. And you know what? I'm sure that there are factors that I'm not aware of. I don't have any insider knowledge here or anything like that. been so difficult to get a raspberry pie like a first party raspberry pie at msrp for so long to me is just a clear indication that they don't they don't want to make enough of them at the super low price um like i if it was if it was over the course of the you know silicon shortage during the pandemic or if it was for a short period of time um apparently it hasn't been hard to get an msrp pie for over a year so okay the sold out for most is selling out of selling yeah i i don't know it's also been a huge known

problem of raspberry pi since like basically launched and they launched in 2012 so like okay them just solving it in the last years well yes and no i mean they have had valid reasons for a lot of that time so all i all i can really say is it seemed to me that they were operating less like a not-for-profit foundation and more like just a company that makes little computers for a long time um i hadn't yeah go ahead the second you go public you're you're beholden to whatever shareholder owns the most shares so like i don't know um mad max skyver says they sold them to industry and professionals in priority as far as i know yeah see like i said these are all things that i that i i don't have any insider knowledge for i i don't i i don't really i don't know a ton about it other than

to say that they are split now between raspberry pi foundation and then like raspberry pi the company and i forget what the exact naming is or exact breakdown is um and the only reason to do that would be to pursue profit for the sake of your corporate shareholders so i can absolutely see why you would be concerned because basically going public and being beholden to shareholders seems like a downhill slide every time it happens um with that said i mean there's no reason to say that a company couldn't be terrible because of private equity holders like oh yeah absolutely yeah just because you don't go public doesn't mean you're a good company um it might it might even like mean the opposite you want to be able to do more things in the shade. Apparently Sony is a major stakeholder.

Okay. Well, that's fun. This link has a locator for Raspberry Pis at MSRP. rpilocator.com. All right. So, Pyshop US and Pys Shop California, Canada, are both in stock. What is update status?

No. What does that even mean? Yeah, in stock. So there you go. Maybe everything's fine, at least for now. Good luck, everybody. Hit me with one more, Dan. Oh, yeah, sure.

Let's have a look. Hey, Bo, Luke, and Daisy. Thoughts on how to get a change in a niche duopoly? I work in radiotherapy physics, and choice is cheap and bad versus expensive and good how to make cheap up their game at least a little wow you want me to solve yeah like antitrust issues

good luck bro um you got you have 180 characters go uh yeah um good luck everybody i um send them words of encouragement you know while you're at it you want to solve capitalism yeah uh hunger uh i okay i appreciate the the desire um but i don't think there's really anything you can do uh cheap isn't going to be incentivized by they're they're both really not really going to be incentivized by anything other than profit if you can convince cheap they'll get more of the market if they make their things better um sure but they're probably getting their market by being affordable yeah and they're and that's probably affecting their r&d budgets yeah um yeah and in you know a field like radiotherapy i i i don't think that you necessarily want to um you know encourage the use of the one that you know is bad you know just so that they

can get more revenue yeah uh so that's that's real tough that's real tough okay uh why don't we do another topic luke do you want to pick one sure yeah hopefully you know something how about some good news can the eu save video games oh yeah this is exciting a few weeks ago the eu registered stop destroying video games as a citizens initiative a petition that eu citizens can go sign on to if they want an official response from the eu government the initiative is part of ross scott Killing Games movement, and it aims to prevent publishers from remotely rendering games unplayable when they decide to discontinue support. This week, the petition opened for online signatures. Its organizers will have a year

to collect at least a million signatures, which I'm fairly sure they will do, but they'll only do so if you go sign it, so please do so right now. They will also have to hit a minimum number of signatures from citizens within seven EU countries. All one million signatures can't just come from one country, for example. However, these thresholds are relatively low. I'm posting the link in all the various chats everywhere where people watch the WAM show. Now is a really good time.

If you are a citizen of any of these places to head over there and register, this is, this is kind of, it's kind of important. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, no, you know,

it's not that important, but for as gamers, um, if we want to have any chance of preserving the gaming experiences that we're having right now before they all just get sunset by the developers or maybe more likely the publishers um you got to get on this because this is the most momentum we've ever had by a country mile oh yeah yeah yeah so i dropped links in all the chats guys uh do what you can to spread the word like if you know even one person in bulgaria uh get them get them to register uh to to issue a

statement of support uh it'll help a bit which is all we can really hope for uh is that it no uh this week the petition opened for online signatures its organizers will have a year to collect those signatures oh i already said that bit the petition doesn't ensure legal action but it will obligate political leaders in the eu to respond to the issue very interesting alexander asks if there's an update on the backpack zipper replacement actually there is i got a whole i got a whole timeline for it uh but basically we have already done priority ones where people contacted us saying that it's broken and then the rest of them are going out in waves and i'm just going to check real quick a bit we go. Here we go. Shipping waves and scheduling. So wave one is complete. Wave two is, oh wait, no, wave one will be complete by September 9th. Wave two will be complete. So this will be another 5,000 to 10,000 units. This will be complete so this will be another 5 000 to 10 000 units this will

be complete by the end of september wave 3 should be complete in early october wave 4 should be complete by end of october and wave 5 should be complete in november so we should have all of them out by november yay finally the end of this epic saga you're still dealing with that asks scrappy dp yeah so it turns out um when you sell 40 000 of something with a defective something on it and there's four of them on each one and you need to make 160 000 replacement defective things um it takes a minute um we basically metal right yeah they're made of titanium yeah so we basically like developed a product that we don't sell that we just send to people who got a bad product um as you can imagine we're a little put out by the whole thing given that the carabiner was developed by our backpack partner so we're like super not stoked on all that but i mean we're

we're committed to doing the right thing even if it takes us a minute uh we want to do it right the last thing we wanted to do was send out something that was just going to fail again so uh yeah we're we're still dealing with it but uh hey we're dealing with it so can't yeah i know i'll leave that so cool uh speaking of things that should potentially be dealing with it. So, can't... Yeah, I know, I'll leave that. So cool. Speaking of things that should potentially be dealing with a recall, hey, why don't we talk about Intel this week? Intel

has extended warranties on 13th and 14th gen CPUs, which is good, but that is about the only good news coming out of intel this week um for one thing and this is funny this i was chatting with wendell from level one techs and he pointed out something that wouldn't have even occurred to me since i haven't worked in in the in the retail biz for a

while um so you can buy intel cpus uh tray or oem and generally speaking for end users it doesn't make a ton of sense to do that because the savings are really small if you're just buying one trade ship there have been times when buying an oem cpu or like a tray cpu has been a hack to save a significant amount of money like i remember back in the um back in the athlon xp days you could pick up these um these mobile like 2500 plus mobile chips that were only available as a tray part and they were significantly less expensive and they were rumored to be better binned than the desktop 2500 pluses and the only drawback was they didn't come with a heat sink and they only came with a one-year warranty instead of a three-year warranty you might see where i'm going with this with warranty differences yeah

so anyone who's buying these 13th and 14th gen chips in bulk might be buying them oem in order to save on the cost of the cooler and you know shipping the box around because they just they come in a tray they literally come in a tray if you buy enough of them um they are not getting the warranty extension oh so they're just left with and the funny thing about it to me is that unwise the difference in price at least everywhere i'd ever seen it and maybe there's a bigger difference if you're negotiating this directly with intel or whatever but the difference in price that i had seen over the years did not really justify the difference in warranty coverage

to me like it seems like intel could probably afford based on what people are paying for these things to just extend the warranty for them as well but currently it does not look like intel is planning to extend the warranty of oem parts at least unless i unless i hear uh otherwise so that's some bad news and it gets even worse this week intel announced 15,000 layoffs. And I've got to say, I don't think that number is actually fully up to date. Do you think it's more? Yeah.

Really? The scuttlebutt in the office this morning, yeah, it's gone up. Intel says it will cut around 19,000 jobs as it aims to save $10 billion in a year. They also are apparently canceling anything non-essential in order to cut costs. Intel's stock recently hit a 50-year low, and this is why i don't give financial advice and this follows two consecutive quarters of financial losses it is unclear how well the company will shoulder the cost of outsourcing its upcoming lunar lake chips so intel has traditionally enjoyed very good margins on their silicon products because they do their fabrication in-house, but they have chips coming that are not fabricated by Intel's own fab. I still believe in Pat Gelsinger's vision,

if he does get a chance to execute on it, of turning Intel into a fab company as well as a chip company. I still think that's maybe at this point the only path forward for them. But my goodness, has this ever been a rough week? Sorry. Yeah, what are you looking at? I don't know all the history behind this yet, but of course WallStreetBets has some epicness. Oh, yeah?

Looks like someone dropped $k on intel like right then and it has a current return of minus 200 000 man i've seen some wild loss porn well i've seen a lot worse than this but just like this is on topic that's all that's pretty rough though pretty rough um also on the subject of intel's cpu woes, in response to our video summarizing the current situation with unexpected degradation on 13th and 14th gen CPUs on TechQuickie, some commenters felt that the video included out-of-date explanations and unnecessarily placed blame on Intel's motherboard partners. on Intel's motherboard partners. And our discussion question here is, this is a perfect example of why we introduced our new bad faith comment policies

across the forum and YouTube comments. Ironically, Reddit seems to be kind of self-moderating at this point, so we haven't made any changes there. But... Wow, wait, good job, Reddit. I know, right? But guys, the number of people commenting on that video talking about how level one tax has covered this so much better and we're ignorant and whatever

else wendell from level one tax literally collaborated on the video literally proofed the script so you can argue with the tech quickie video but if you are you're arguing with wendell and you might be right i mean his video might be better it might not be better i don't know or it might it might have it might cover it from a different angle totally um we've always said you should watch with breadth you should get opinions from different areas absolutely i love watching um but at the end of the day the video is getting like dislike bombed essentially um and it really does feel like we've reached just this tipping point of ridiculousness where whatever we say is wrong because we said it and it has nothing to do with

where we source the information or how accurate it is. But we collaborated not just with Wendell from Level One Text, but we also worked extensively with Kelt from Falcon Northwest, who has been working on this in the background for much longer than you guys have been aware of it or other members of the tech media have been aware of it, or other members of the tech media have been aware of it and has actually provided some really cool insights into how this whole thing has devolved to the point that it's reached now. didn't watch the whole video or who's just not really open to anything we say, conveniently, that makes it really easy for us to cull the herd. See you later. Never. Oh, I guess I never really, I never really said what I was talking about. So on the, on the community posts feature of youtube we put our kind of we

formalized our sort of bad faith commenting policy and chewy actually asked me to give some examples of you know what exactly that means because a lot of people are concerned that it means that you're not allowed to leave um any feedback that's critical of us or our videos. And that is absolutely not the case. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to dig into the thread that I have with our forum moderators, where we kind of discussed this rollout with them. And I'm going to dig up some of the examples of what this would be. And I'm not going to like harp on people leaving mean comments or whatever, this isn't going to be one of those. But I want to give people some reassurance that this isn't like, oh, you can't say you

disagree. You absolutely can. I mean, that's how we learn. That's how we get better. That's absolutely valuable to us. But we can't have people just making stuff up and then presenting it as fact and then allowing that misinformation to fester within our own community. There's nothing we can do about what takes place elsewhere,

but we are absolutely not going to allow it in our own community. So one example that I'll give now is anyone who said that our PS portal video was sponsored, that's it. You're gone. You're done. You're out. It wasn't, it just wasn't. You're gone. You're done. You're out. It wasn't,

it just wasn't. You don't get to say something that isn't true on our platform. You don't get to just make it up and then be mad about it. It's not, that's not a right that you have. I'm afraid. Uh, Luke,

do you want to do a topic real quick while I get signed into the forum? Cause I'm not signed into the forum on this computer, which probably makes sense. Cause I probably shouldn't be, but now I will be, but now you're signed into everything else bad anyways computer, which probably makes sense, because I probably shouldn't be. But now I will be. But now you're signed into everything else bad anyways, so it doesn't really matter. Let's, no.

Let's see. Researchers find and stop potential stalking vulnerabilities in dating apps. Belgian researchers found that several popular dating apps, includingble grinder and hinge all have had the same vulnerability sorry all had the same vulnerability that could have been used to find the near exact location of another user oh dude so much for the all positive wan show this is like the worst thing ever that's rough yeah these problems have since been fixed however following researchers um following researchers reaching out to these companies oh so it was fixed afterwards i mean that's not too surprising uh the vulnerability required no hacking knowledge instead a malicious person could use the proximity tracker in the app

to triangulate another user's position simply by moving in small increments until they are no longer listed. I guarantee you people did that. That's like the most obvious thing in the world. Oh, yeah. So they could just triangulate someone's position by just moving around. Make sure they're on the edge of your detection bubble and then go around until you find it. Yeah, that's super simple. Apparently it was accurate to within about two meters.

So they're not obfuscating the distances of people at all or weren't. Yikes. According to researchers, this would be enough information to estimate a user's location within a few yards. Yeah. The apps fixed these issues by making coordinates less precise uh though rounding up by through rounding up by three decimal places okay um why do you need to know even like i don't even really get it like shouldn't you just be able to tell if they're in

literally like this the city yeah that should be enough that should be enough look you're a developer wouldn't it just be easier to just go like oh here's their gps location we'll just stick that in our thing instead of like extrapolating any data from that sure but like don't do that yeah it was easy you're right It's just frustrating. Okay. The discussion questions are probably already, I don't know. Why is it so hard for people making these tools to foresee all the potential and malicious uses? Because there isn't any funding behind doing that.

And how often are we just reproducing the same mistakes without realizing it constantly? Yeah, I... constantly yeah i um i mean i don't expect them to come up with every malicious way that someone can use a tool right like you can't you can't predict all the awful ways that someone could maim someone else with a hammer and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have hammers and that doesn't mean that we should blame the inventor of the hammer, but this getting the location of people on dating apps seems like it probably should have been something they thought of. Maybe an option.

Someone was like, uh, can being that grinder is for hookups, uh, across town can be a deal breaker. It's like, okay, well that should be an opt-in at the

very least right like it's either shouldn't be a thing at all and should still just be like a city or whatever tokyo is a city okay so a district i don't know something big like i i don't think this is uh super complicated um but it should be either a vague area, some large area of some kind that you wouldn't be able to pinpoint someone within. Or if you like very explicitly said, like, make me findable. Like maybe you're at like a festival of some sort and you like want people to come up and say hi. Like, sure, why not? But yeah. Kristen said, as a woman, it's a really scary thought yeah that makes sense

i i i think it's extremely reasonable for that to be a very scary thought all right um i'm gonna get through this as quickly as we can just so that people have some examples of what we mean sure so here's a comment where someone accuses us of dragging our our an ltd video out past the 10 minute mark so that we can um so we can milk more ads out of it more youtube ads out of it that's awesome so the issue here is that it's not even 10 minutes anymore um i forget what the limit is because um we don't have mid-roll ads on ltd so there's two problems um yeah you don't again so you don't get to make up a problem and then be mad about it um this kind of this kind of weird projection is another example of something that's just not going to pass anymore um so this is i

think this was on it might have been the building oh shoot i meant to censor usernames well whatever i've been in both so far i thought it wasn't the first one it was whoops oh well they'll get over it um so this i think was on the building the ceo pc like the like that the the co-host was like scared of me or something and i'm just i'm sitting here going what are you even what are you even talking about um let's see oh man yeah this one this one's a doozy so this is on the we tried 5g blocking paint video um this guy might have eaten the paint this canadian company that makes this paint also sells a shield to put under your laptop because all laptop computers emit emf and continuous exposure has the potential to cause serious health problems such as sterility in men blah blah blah uh blah blah they also sell shielded hoodies ball caps bush hats boxers

uh etc etc etc oddly the children's items are t-shirts, no lotions or goggles either. This is my last visit to LTT. Yes, you are judged by the company you keep. Were you like making fun of it? Yeah. Nice. And so there's people that are worried

that we are going to, there's people that are worried that just like jokes are going to get caught by this, you know, bad faith, um, policy.

I could understand that. And I understand that, but this isn't about that. This is, this is people who have such a, have such a, uh, a sour position on us and our content that they weren't even willing to pause for a second and go

this seems so ridiculous that maybe i'm the one who misunderstood the situation um so that's that's it guys that that's all i have to say about that well i like used to be against against moderation um and these days i'm i'm not because i think the internet has never been as divisive um did these comments have traction uh or did you just find them by reading every single comment it doesn't matter anymore. Um, because what I've actually found is that I don't mean in as a resistance to doing the thing to be clear. Mostly just curious.

Some of them, some of them do. Most of them don't. Yeah. Okay. And so because it's a very vocal, small minority, um,

it's, it's actually hasn't been a ton of work to clean things up a fair bit but we also just it's really funny because um i saw some people kind of criticizing us for the new policy and i saw some people who get it because they're like look the only reason you know about this is because they're telling you yeah once again lmg's transparency bites them in the butt because you wouldn't even be having this conversation because you'd be shadow banned um if they didn't tell you in advance so it's been on a very small scale up until now but we're announcing it formally so people understand if you're going to comment that we missed something

in a video you better make bloody well sure that you watched the video don't comment that we missed something in a video. You better make bloody well sure that you watched the video. Don't comment that we missed an important point if you watched the first 30 seconds. And I'm not saying you have to watch the whole video. You don't. But don't come in guns blazing. That's all. That's all I ask. Alright. Let's go. What do you want to talk about next dan what are we supposed to do okay well why don't we talk about

oh youtube continuing the ad blocker arms race users of various ad blockers have reported seeing blank black screens on youtube videos which linger for 5 to 20 seconds before the video plays it is speculated that these are ads that have been partially blocked and a possible sign of the server-side ad injection technology that youtube is reportedly working on our Our discussion question here, actually, let's get to the discussion question in a minute. Here's what I want to know. Why exactly would you see a black screen if the video, if the ad is embedded within the video stream itself?

How could an ad blocker block it, but not block it? Do you have any kind of deeper understanding of how that would happen not really to be honest t lewis in chat in floatplane chat says yeah i got i got the black screen refreshing the page works but it's weird it makes it go away as in you don't get the black screen anymore in the video i'm not sure what they mean by refreshing the page works uh kifrig says i had those happen a while ago but they stopped i i have so there's some comments coming in on the comment moderation thing and i just instead of typing this out because technically it's an assumption i'll just ask you live um i think people are overestimating how often these actions will be taken how often do you think these actions are taken um i would say on a given video probably five to

ten people are going to end up with a ban how many comments are on a given video uh anywhere from hundreds to thousands over time i expect the numbers to go way down pretty rapidly there's there's i can't remember. We talked about it on WAN Show. It was some study that bad actors in things like forums and things like that, it's a very, very small number of individuals that cause a very huge portion of the disruption. Yep. So hopefully it won't be very much. Yeah, pretty much.

I've found when, when moderating communities that like you deal with some edge cases and then generally it's mostly fine. Um, the smaller the community, the easier it is. So there's definitely going to be some challenges, but yes,

um, I'm, I'm not, I'm not too worried about it. Uh, okay. What was the main topic we were on? It derailed us too much.

Users have reported seeing blank black screens on YouTube videos. I don't know how that would work. How could YouTube manage to serve a long black video sequence, but not the ad? Yeah. Yeah, that's odd. Blocking it or not like it to my previous interpretation of it was kind of like a yes or no type of situation um so yeah i'm not really sure i'm not sure how that works i wonder if if youtube has like a fail state or if it doesn't

have a certain amount of data it just pushes through this like yeah black video i have no idea interesting not sure we've got a video coming as part of de-google your life part two we'll be talking about ad blocking uh we'll be talking about in particular on youtube because i think for our audience YouTube is going to be one of the biggest challenges for de-Googling their life. In the first episode, I think we got into web browser, DNS, and the second one, man, we go deep. So password managers, trying to think what else is in it.

So for those of you waiting,-google your life part two is shot now and emily has been working her way through the guidance for it this week uh should be coming in fact it may even be on the schedule now i think it's at a stage of completion that it may be scheduled let me have a quick look here oh speaking of things that are scheduled though scrapyard wars part two is up on float plane yeah uh no it's not scheduled yet um the reviews are in people are flipping loving it i'm so excited i'm so glad we waited a week and let them let them cook uh it's got a whatever this works out to, 50 to 1 like-dislike ratio or something like that. People are absolutely loving it. Ah, best format on the internet.

Let's go. So we're going to have, this will be up on YouTube on Tuesday, and we're going to be trying to do early access for Scrapyard Wars throughout the series over on floatplane.com. So that's lmg.gg slash floatplane if you want to sign

up and get more scrapyard wars you haven't watched it yet no read the title so the title is it's not cheating it's strategy read the title yeah so uh what what it wasn't my team that said that that's all i have to say well it might have been my team yeah yeah there's only two teams yeah there's two teams yeah might have been my team yeah so i mean you okay oh do i spoil anything should i spoil anything okay don't spoil anything okay i'm you know what i'm not gonna i'm not gonna spoil anything i'm not gonna spoil anything also you don't want to talk about it too much because we might do a like commentary reaction streaming thing that's true yeah what i know what i know

for sure is that you already know about anything that i did fact, you knew at the time. So it couldn't be that bad. So it's just strategy. And if you don't like it, I mean, there's always the option of getting good. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. This isn't the finale, so it doesn't even tell you anything

that might or might not happen in the days because I think this only goes up to partway through day two of the challenge. So there's, there's lots more scrapyard wars to go. I think they, they were pushing initially for three episodes. And after David and I looked at everything that happened,

we were like, no, this is for, no, it, it took place over only three days in the last like didn't we nope yeah there's good i can't talk about it it's so frustrating i know i know it was because i was just gonna mention something that happened in content that isn't even available

anywhere yet yeah on floatplane so it's like yeah don't do that yeah i need to not don't do that it would have been pretty vague but still yeah it's just not worth it i'll tell you what i'll tell you guys one thing you guys already saw elijah's haircut in episode one um there was a floatplane challenge where they asked for um 3 000 likes 3 000 likes on a float plane exclusive. Yeah. And if that happened, Luke would work on Elijah's body hair again. Yeah. They did it today.

So if you're on float plane, you can look forward to that exclusive. Um, Luke gave Elijah a slit. An eyebrow slit. Yeah. It's just quite a way to say it. Yeah. He gave him an eyebrow slit yeah it's just quite a way to say it yeah he gave him an eyebrow slit yeah um luke okay they didn't give me the right tools you did a great job they didn't give me the right

tools all things considered like the fact that you are a monkey i was not when it comes to working on hair why does this keep happening in the last like two months i've done three things with other people's hair i don't think i've ever done anything with anyone else's hair ever before that time yeah we know what is happening we know why does this keep happening you know if that video gets like 4 000 likes he might let me do carving oh no and i could put a star on his head oh no i he has not committed to this i'm just saying he might oh man he might be willing anywho and maybe this time i'll get the the proper equipment this is great durkee says oh luke we can tell sweetie

oh no okay uh dan what are what are we doing dirt dirky also said do you really want his wife to divorce him uh she's still with him at this point i think they're probably good yeah if if she hasn't seen anything yet like with his bell delphine merch at this point then uh wait what was i saying if she if she hasn't seen anything to scare her off yet i don't think it's going to happen now yeah like some minor haircut changes one other small scrapyard warriors announcement our season partner jawa has launched their scrapyard wars giveaways and you can check them out at the link in the video description i also have another short announcement we're looking for more people to sign up for the Scrapyard Wars giveaways, and you can check them out at the link in the video description.

I also have another short announcement. We're looking for more people to sign up for the Error Checking Community Squad, the ECC Squad, which is a crowdsourced fact-checking team that helps LMG deliver the most correct, clear information possible to our audience. The ECC is a final check in case anything gets past our internal checks. We know that we have a lot of different experts and enthusiasts on our team, but we also have even more in our audience whose collective knowledge we could never hope

to fully match. So we've got a sign-up doc that Dan is going to throw in the chat. I am okay, sure. Thanks, Dan. Appreciate you. All right.

Luke, do you want to pick a topic? No, Elijah is definitely not cutting my hair just just putting that out there how about i could cut your hair how about i could dye your hair i already said yes to that interesting maybe i should sponsor it sponsored by lttstore.com make d brand yeah d brand should have to pay for it yeah build luke's hair d brand's gonna pay for it what what doc where are we what's it what where is it um it's it's in the announcements um field in the perpetual doc all right why don't we

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Oh. What am I, that band dressage athlete? Oh, you didn't see this? No. It was one of the earliest Olympic scandals. Oh. Wait, I think you told me about this. Yeah, one of the...

Luke is not up on the dressage discourse okay see i think it should be pronounced just dressage but people keep saying dressage so i'm like what who's isn't it french well that's what i thought i thought it was dressage no but some words are like that where english people are stupid and don't know that it has a french origin so they're like anybody that says niche yeah instead of niche yeah that's a pet peeve of mine yeah niche what are you talking about i can't find the thing that i'm supposed to post in chat okay well good hopefully it is dressage because that's what it's supposed to be i will be upset if it's not all right you can't find the thing what thing i don't know where is the thing i don't even know what he's talking about what dan you can't find it what is

it it's in the dock it's right it's a highlight look i'm gonna i'll make it bigger until uh there it is thank you oh that yeah i'm just gonna keep making it bigger he said he found it so i'm gonna keep making it bigger all the docks like it's one. So, I'm going to keep making it bigger. Now the dock's, like, unusable. It's one of my talents. It was unusable before. I couldn't find it. Yeah, this is an improvement.

I don't think so. Cement. It might actually literally be harder to find now if you're on the wrong part of the dock. How big can you go? Anno! Anno! Anno! Let's play addo dude what what is what is google docs's font size max i don't

know we're at 239 240 250 this is getting extremely tedious i wish i had a mouse now i'm gonna be a banana master by the end of this you no i don't think so i mean we can find out i don't think you're helping dan's trying to i can hear it oh you know i do i do think you guys are helping actually 400 oh wait oh it's still going the box breaks wait no I don't think it is still going no it's just flashing yeah my brain was like

no that was it that's all it can do optical illusion um we need to fix this oh it lagged out on my end uh oh who put an 1800 in there yes Who put an 1800 in there? Yes! Oh, man.

I want to play Anno. Anno's good. Oh, I'm dying. Okay, what the hell is going on? Oh, yeah. The merch message. Yeah. What even is the show today? My job.

I don't know. I am not doing good. Let's see. Hey, LLD. I wanted to ask Linus, how do you find fulfillment and satisfaction in life and your career? Working in such a quick-moving and competitive industry, how can you be happy with enough? Well, then you should ask me that.

They wanted to ask me, but they didn't, so now I... I'm sorry. That's another pet peeve. Don't really feel... Hey, can I ask you a question? You just did! You're wasting my time! Without consent!

Can I ask you a question? You just did! You're wasting my time! Without consent! Anyway, working in such a quick-moving competitive industry. You know what? I think that over the years, I have come around to that infinite growth is neither possible

nor is it ultimately fulfilling anyway. And I think that over time I've actually developed a much healthier relationship with business growth than I think I had before it was probably around the time that we rejected the offer to buy the company that I kind of looked at it and went, well, if the goal was to win capitalism, then that was, that was my shot. That was definitely it. Yeah. That was the chance, right? So one capitalism, not that you haven't really already, but so I had to kind of, I had to kind of decide, right. And what I ultimately fell back on was the same thing that, um, that I realized when I did the 10 million subscriber stream and decided that the only way to be happy continuing doing this is if I was doing it

because I wanted to do it. And so that's why I'm doing it. I don't really see a path to that changing. I mean, there's absolutely things that are frustrating. There's absolutely things that, I mean's absolutely things that i i mean i had my message luke the other day did i send you a screenshot where i like circled uh where i circled a bunch of videos that were performing well maybe maybe i didn't actually send this to you so but i took a i took a screenshot earlier this week where i circled the videos that were performing well over the last 60 seconds.

I know we talked about this. I don't know if you actually technically sent me a screenshot, but you would have screenshared or something. We definitely talked about it. Yeah, no, here it is. This is not the circled version. This is the unaltered version. But I looked at a last 60 minutes real-time view counter. This is weird.

And one of them was our most recent release number two was our second most recent release number three was our third most recent release number four was the wan show from that week so far so good then it goes completely off the rails. Number five was a YouTube short from January. Number six was the WAN show from Computex of the previous year. Number seven, Scrapyard Wars. Number eight is building a PC in a random tech mall, both of which kind of make sense. Those have staying power. Then there's another ancient short,

Dan's Cable Management one, which was also recent. Then there's an old short. Then there's another ancient short, Dan's Cable Management one, which was also recent. Then there's an old short. Then there's a new short. Then there's a live stream. I pray this computer sucks because I'm going to sell it for a dollar. A live stream, Vod, from over a year ago.

Then two more ancient WAN shows. Ancient WAN shows have some really weird weird how can there ever be what did it work out to four streams no no yeah no five stream vods four of which are wanshows that are the most viewed videos in a given hour it's like the most evergreen stuff is the stuff that should be the least evergreen yeah it's actually genuinely completely backwards and the reason i'm talking about this right now is you know you ask this fast pacing fast paced you know frustrating competitive industry it's like yeah because a lot of the time the signals that we get for what to keep doing they don't make any sense they're not actionable you know youtube will tell us they don't make any sense. They're not actionable.

You know, YouTube will tell us, they tell us make good videos. And we're like, okay. And then we'll make something that gets a 99% like dislike ratio and has higher than average click through. And for views, it'll perform like garbage. And you're like, okay, well, okay. Maybe there is just no audience for this,

but it kind of seems a lot to me like you just didn't put this in front of anybody because the click-through is good and the retention is good and the like-dislike ratio is good and the comments are good. Every signal I have says it's good. But then I'm getting a bunch of views on an old four-hour livestream. One that has, like, no current relevance at all. Nothing. Like the year plus old wanshos it was crazy for me when i would leave autoplay on on youtube and it would start playing

an old wansho vod i've shown this to a bunch of people actually have i talked this about this on wansho before all the broken old wansho vods yeah i'll talk to you about this right so old wansho vods most of them are actually functionally broken. I don't know about most, but definitely some are. I mean, the last time I tried to do this, I looked up, I think, Wanshow 2014 and just clicked on the first one that came up

and it was broken. Yes, that's super random chance. But if it's old enough, I think... Can we talk for a moment about just how broken search is on youtube right now sorry this is an impromptu topic here but i have not been able to find anything at all on youtube something that was frustrating for for me even is we we just talked about uh pumphrey leaving donut yeah and i tried to look up his channel yeah maybe it'll come up now no it's just like i show speed stuff

okay that's not even the bigger issue to me here it is hold on hold on hold on that no that's really good that's really good but hold on hold on here's my bigger issue i'm searching for linus wanshow paul because i know when we had paul on as a guest that one's corrupted so i wanted to show you guys okay it finds a channel fair enough okay this channel is live uh i love that you guys took the thumbnail today while i was just doing my pre-wan show vegging on my phone um anywho okay some community posts what does that have to do with paul or wan show absolutely i'm pretty sure nothing we would have put his name in the in the title back then okay here's a wan show from a week ago here is a flipping ad sponsor that oh you know what you know what no no hold on hold on okay on this account i probably haven't but on my account

i have dismissed this global coin network like plus i've dismissed this so many times i've been like uh-uh no no no no no no no uh okay okay why don't you have youtube premium on your personal account uh no my work account oh yeah uh okay okay keep going okay here it is here it is guest paul paul wanshow linus so we had to go this far to find the only thing that matches this. Okay, we get the channel. This is fine. Oh my God, another ad. We get another Paul Wanshow something. Another thing that's credible.

That one's fine. Okay, but here's my problem. Depending on what you look for, you might get two or three results. Then you get people also want. People also want. I'm not. I am looking for something right now i am not looking for people also watch lego car racing whatever like yeah there's wan shows in here but these are not the ones i'm looking for they have nothing to do with my search query

and then it gets worse there's like just random for you. And then this one drives me crazy. Previously watched? This one often shows up. This one often shows up. Like as the, as the, probably the third header. And there'll be a bunch of them.

And I'm like, ah, previously watched. Okay, fine. Fair enough. Right? Because as it happens, I am looking for a video I oh previously watched okay fine fair enough right because as it happens i am looking

for a video i've previously watched but don't just pick a random video i previously watched pick one that has something to do with my search query yeah yeah yeah anyway the point of this was that i wanted to show you guys uh what a corrupted old land show looks like it's a it's a bit of a trip oh hey look it's Hacksmith. I wonder if Eight Sleep paid him for this. I hope so. Why do you say that? We've run into some issues recently

with former sponsors using our likeness. I don't know that Eight Sleep was one of them, but we have run into some issues. Is this one not broken? Oh, wow. This is the Chris Prilla one. Oh, shoot. Did I click the wrong thing? Oh, yeah, is oh oh shoot i clicked the wrong did i click the wrong thing oh yeah i did i totally clicked wrong okay here we go i'm pretty sure this one's broken remember razor comms heck yeah

oh no i remember when someone disconnected from razor comms and it kept playing the audio even though they weren't even connected to the service anymore that was crazy we had to get in contact with them and tell them because you could like hear them talking to people in the background it was not good dude are the old land shows fixed because i think we did i think we did flag this to youtube at some point so it's possible that they've gone in and they've actually fixed this problem that would be pretty cool i did show a youtube person at open sauce so oh so like maybe something happened all right well luke's gonna try and look for one of those in the meantime i am going to find

messages right aren't we oh is that what we're supposed to be doing okay boom that was quick boom get wrecked linus wow that's what they look like you look good what happened to you you used to be so transparent and uh glowing you had a youthful glow you uh not so much yeah no i you quite genuinely look like you're covered in mud yeah Yeah. I was actually kind of thinking, like, undead. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I've got a bit of an undead vibe over here. What messes me up is people these days

go to, like, massive lengths to get this effect. Oh, really? Yeah. It's actually really cool what you can do when you, like, data mosh stuff like this. This would be so hard to do on purpose yeah and have it look this good like this is sick like music video level that's amazing uh all right cool yeah and like there's there's tons of these old wan shows and they recommend these all the time

and there's even like every once in a while you look in the comments yeah okay i looked in the comments right now and this is from two years ago but still top tier youtube recommendation this wancho is from 10 years ago why is there a bunch of comments with upvotes and replies from two years ago every once in a while i'll see like i'll i'll see bumps on videos that's why i like to look at that uh 60 minute view yeah because it will if i see the most oddball stuff that's where i see the weirdest stuff sometimes it makes sense like the build with my sister spiked after i talked about my sister passing away it was different sister different sister but people were searching for linus sister apparently um and then oh this, this is a weird one. Whatever AI-fueled site this is

had an article about my sister passing away that I found today because I'm going to an event where I needed to submit a picture for a badge. And as a joke, I wanted to put that weird... What am I? I'm like, uh, I'm like, uh, like, uh, uh, uh, oh man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to see if I can, I'm gonna have to see if I can find it.

Uh, it's like the, the Linus, the anime Linus. Yeah. This one. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, I bet they wouldn't mind if i put that on a badge at an event so sure so i was looking for the full quality the full quality of this and as i was scrolling just scrolling scrolling scrolling i came across a link to this article

like their seo is strong enough that i was searching for linus cartoon girl or something i forget what it was and and i came across an article about my sister's passing and so i um it had a picture of my younger sister but then in the ai presumably ai generated article it talked about how it was my older sister who was not a public figure and never appeared on camera oh so like had the yeah yeah so like i left a comment on the i left a comment on the article i'm like i think it's pretty misleading to have a picture of the wrong sister on this i don't think anyone's ever gonna come across this article i don't think anybody's gonna moderate these comments but like wow that machine moves so fast dude i couldn't even believe it

anyway i'm super excited to have that picture on my uh on my event badge they didn't accept it the first time i sent it and i was like oh yeah okay that kind of makes sense but their reason for not accepting it was that the file size wasn't big enough so i was like okay uh ultimately what i ended up doing is just changing it to a bitmap and sending it again i was like okay this is over a meg is this good enough they're like yep cool because i had just uh snipped it and sent it as just like a png it's printing on a badge who cares it's gonna be like this big anyway i love arbitrary arbitrary rules for things i love breaking them i still have that art is my desktop background with the three of us every once in a while it like almost jump scares

me because it's my desktop background at work so normally all the screens are covered yeah okay and then every once in a while like move something i'm like oh yeah oh that. Not weird. Okay, Dan, hit me. Hi, Sanul, Eklu, and Nad. Have you considered using water level sensors in your reservoirs for your water loops? Yes. I have also considered, I actually just remembered this i've talked to jake about it but i've also considered taking the taking the the toilet water level float that we have in the one

in the server room out because if i had had one of those and had a leak, it would have kept dumping water into it. So we, we have like a whole room water cooling system here at the office as well. That helps cool our server room. And in order to make sure that we never have to top it up, it's got like a toilet float in it and it's hooked up to plumbing. Yeah. So we should not do that.

I'd rather lose a pump than. Man, it's so cool just like randomly finding things out about this company yeah i know right is this the first time you heard of it stop hearing things oh yeah i never heard of that before yeah yeah that's wild i mean it probably won't leak that's plumbed up to those um but man would it be sick if it did it's plumbed up to those those apc like show up to work on monday things it's just like oh man it's weird that there's like water coming out of the front of the building yeah yeah what's causing that yeah dog i don't know man you guys wouldn't like it as much if we did everything properly i

do agree with that yeah actually yeah like wholeheartedly you gotta kind of cowboy things every once yeah it's it's it's more fun i got a lot of good theories by the way from the community on what's going on with the corrosion that i was getting in my loop i saw there were some pretty cool comments on that there's some stuff that's not right um i saw someone asking in chat on a cache asks what about the fuel hoses are they using steel mesh reinforcement saw that one it's it's it's not metal whatever it is it's some kind of string of some sort and i believe we actually sourced that tubing from a water cooling supplier even though it is fuel line hose clearly they validated

it at some point i think i think it was a good comment though because like it was something to check yes good idea something to check there was a lot of good comments where it was like okay that's actually pretty quick and easy to to verify yes um but probably isn't the case but we could look the one that seems the most likely is that there's a grounding issue and some kind of current is flowing which would mean that it's not galvanic corrosion but it would be electrolytic corrosion so if there's two devices that are not that are improperly grounded through the loop they could be there could be some kind of current flow would that make would that make the hey there's corrosion clearly on the inlet here but not the outlet of the same thing would that make that make sense if one of the it might was in there it would be the

nearest thing yeah possibly interesting um this is way out of my realm of understanding but it sounds cool yeah that that's the one that makes the most sense to me and uh is also the easiest to execute i mean in the longer term what i really want is for all the systems to be air cooled anyway and just have to have a water door um so i maybe the better thing for us to do is just move to the next phase anyway because a little sooner than you had intended yeah yeah it was always it was always meant to be a stepping stone to doing something bigger and more better so maybe we should just do that i really like those types of systems the next phase being gas? Yeah.

You should just fully immerse everything. No. I already tried to do that and it didn't go very well. You know what? You guys just do the show. You turn to the washroom. That was pretty good. Sorry. That was pretty pretty good thank you for the setup oh man that was so sick why is all this crying oh man okay um this is really short no that was covered as a topic he didn't minimize it no nobody's been minimizing them oh no um i'll save that one for when he's back how about how

about one for you luke this might be interesting for you to target i work in canadian broadcast media how can i convince the higher-ups that avoiding youtube twitch or other streaming sites is unhealthy for the industry's future i'm bashing my head to get them to try it. Oh, that's a good question. And probably a very tough situation that you're in. I've tried to talk to those type of people before. What? Where am I here? I've tried to talk to those type of people before. And they can be quite stiff on things. and they can be quite stiff on things. Can you say the exact job again?

Do you still have it? Yeah, Canadian Broadcast Media. Canadian Broadcast Media. Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly where you're at within that. If it's something like news, I would point to examples of news organizations in the States going on YouTube and finding very extreme success. I would talk about how the youth of today isn't necessarily listening to radio, because you could be talking about broadcasting in the radio sense, or watching traditional TV

channels as much anymore. So if you want to hit the youth of Canada, because they're probably more interested in Canadian-specific viewership, considering it's Canadian broadcasting, you want to hit the youth of Canada, because they're probably more interested in Canadian specific viewership considering it's Canadian broadcasting, you got to go where the people are, which are a lot of these web platforms. Also, some of these web platforms have, like, I don't remember what the sections called, but often if there does happen to be something interesting happening in Canadian news or Canadian politics or something, and I go on YouTube, YouTube will put those types of things in my feed. There's a little section of like happening near you or something like that. I don't remember exactly what it's called. When I looked in the account here, there isn't one, but it's the account for the show. So it probably doesn't really have a location or maybe it's located for America or something like that. But yeah, I mean, I would point point at other examples other success stories of other comparable media that are doing the same

thing um i would express the ability to hit a wider audience within canada um and and hopefully find some way to prove that it's not really that hard to do because i don't think it would be it's not like it's going to cost extra money, right? No, it's just another upload step. Uploading to web is honestly pretty simple these days, so I absolutely think you should do it. Yeah, I think that sounds reasonable.

Yeah, Mac the Genius said it's not CBC or Radio Canada because they already have YouTube. Yeah, I knew that. I'm not 100% sure what they're talking about. They said Canadian Broadcast Media, not necessarily the Canadian Broadcast Corporation. Yeah, it's pretty broad.

We have quite a few. What would be the CBC? Would that be called the flag-carrying? I know you have Flag Airlines. The Flag Bearer Corporation. Flag Bearer Media thing. I don't know. Do they have names?

I think the CBC also has a YouTube channel. Probably. Yeah, CBC News. Wait, CBC. The National CBC News YouTube channel. They uploaded 18 hours ago. They're going for it. Ah, yeah, Flagship. uploaded 18 hours ago they're going for it the national massive bc landslide prompts flood fears people are watching live is this literally

just the news probably a tv show but it's on youtube huh i knew tv shows put up clips and stuff i didn't think they just put up like an actual like this is the tv show but it's on youtube makes sense i mean you can rent movies on youtube yeah i just i haven't personally seen this before this is just cbc's the national but it's just live streamed oh okay this is a live stream right now oh weird son of odd what is uh what is that called uh play out you know that term luke yeah it's it's just just play out but one of the channels is youtube totally i'm just surprised that's all because i don't i don't think i've seen this before god i haven't thought about play out in years now um i do not miss

broadcast maybe a topic now that you're back hex os update sure true nas has launched it's powered by true nas initiative where it's powered by true nas initiative where it will partner with various companies to create tailored storage solutions for specific use cases and industries its first partner in this initiative is ashtek the creators of hex os which is intended to make setting up a home server simple and accessible for users without it admin skills ashtek has also or just people that don't want to deal with it. Eshtech has also launched a blog with their first article explaining how HexOS works. Very basically, HexOS is built on top of TrueNAS and provides a simplified UI and guidance

for setting up a home server. That server can be set up using off-the-shelf server hardware, custom hardware, or even recycled PCs. using off-the-shelf server hardware, custom hardware, or even recycled PCs. Robbie from NAS Compares is collecting questions for an upcoming Q&A with John Panazzo of Eshtech, which should probably film and launch sometime next week. Current plan is August the 9th, and LTT viewers can post questions for Robbie here,

and then I guess we'll link this. Oh, no, it's a youtube community post yeah that makes it easier they can find it on their own um the hex os beta is expected to launch in the third quarter of this year and anyone interested can sign up for updates on their website do they have a pricing model yet they have some proposals um so just bringing you guys up to speed, this is the NAS operating system that has been founded by a couple of former Unraid employees who came to me

and were basically like, okay, here's what we want to do. I was like, oh. Muted, muted, muted. Getting you guys up to speed, HexOS is the brainchild of a couple of former unread employees who came to me after their split and basically were like okay here's what we want to do and i was like oh okay so all the stuff that i've been asking you guys to do for years um

but like you're gonna do it this time and they're're like, yes. And I was like, all right. And they were like, but we need money. And I was like, okay. So I am invested in HexOS. And I really hope it works. But if it doesn't, well, hey, it was the friends we made along the way. Yeah.

I really do hope so. I do believe that even though trunas wizards will often be a little gatekeepery about trunas and say well if you don't like trunas then get good at trunas but i i do think that trunas is incredibly powerful um it's amazing and it no is not easy for people to use. I actually sent I sent John an email today. That's that's John from from Eshtech. I sent him an email today.

I was like, I found a customer in the wild. It doesn't happen that often because not that many people post, you know, very specifically that they're looking for Hex OS. But I found one on our forum here it is hi guys i'm an idiot that can't help but break stuff on my nas i'm running true nas i recently switched over to this distro tried to set up plex it's broken um yep basically oh wow you replied already too uh yeah basically a prime prime candidate because man when you screw up trunaz if you don't really know what you're doing you're better off just reformatting yeah and a lot of people probably do yeah and just don't talk about it i'm really

excited about it but uh just being transparent with everyone i'm always slightly skeptical and skeptical until i see how you how you're making that money you know yeah i think i am the weirdest early investor yeah here's a small pile of money please leave me see you later yeah they offered me a board seat i was like oh god no yeah get me out of here i don't want that please just do good job yeah just try to not suck yeah yeah to your best i mostly just want the product yeah yeah exactly i just want it i just want it to be easy i don't at the end of the day i don't want to go home and deal with like some never stupid like arcane permissions issue uh did i ever tell you

that that's the issue i was having with plex it was something to do with one of my vms which is actually hosted on another machine altogether one of my vms um when it copied data onto the nas which is on a different machine um the data wouldn't copy with the same permissions so my plex like docker or app or whatever it is i don't think it's docker but my plex app wouldn't have read permissions to that file even though it had read permissions to that directory and like I had the hashtag guys just fix it for me because I was like I don't want to do this it would have taken me hours

to go in and command line figure it out wait you had them fix it for you? well they know Trinaz wow well I mean John's also a bro so like did you up your did you re-up your investment no no no no whatever no john would have john

would have done it for me anyway i'm serious he's awesome sounds like you're abusing this relationship i'm not abusing anything i'm not abusing anything try to board seat for tech support yeah exactly oh that's fine that might be fair enough yeah exactly all right exactly i'm pretty i am pretty low maintenance i just don't want you to misuse john i i'm fighting for john here i am i am not and if i am misusing it it's coming at the cost to his family not to the cost of the product because he did it on the weekend it's uh it's market exploration you know and they did actually learn useful things yeah did john send up did john did john send a proper

invoice no i don't need an invoice from him they learned they actually did learn things because it was a really weird edge case you know how i'm the master of edge cases edging you know You know how I'm the master of edge cases? Edging, you know? I was thinking it, too. I'm going to get them. Of course I was. I'm going to get them.

Oh, boy. All right, what do you want? But yes, I do know that, given the current state of our password manager. Did you even read my report? What are we going to do? What do we do? I did, but I don't know. I think that we should just have Flowplane just write internal tools.

We're thinking about doing it for that other one. I don't want to talk about this, but you know what I mean. Yeah. Like we literally just might. I think, I think. I can't think to talk about this, but you know what I mean. Like, we literally just might. I think... I can't think of something better! I think there should be a genuine discussion

about just 100% custom, because our edge case is here. Linus is the master, and all of his employees are too, of finding just these really weird use cases for every tool available. The one thing that I'm talking about, I genuinely think we are going to have to make our own because they're like they all suck everything

sucks yeah it's crazy this we're not talking about the password manager this is great i know john from hashtag actually emailed me a couple hours ago um we were discussing uh pricing um oh cool i'm just gonna tell you guys i'm gonna i'm gonna publicly put pressure on him i'm gonna tell you guys that i'm leaning on them to have a perpetual license option oh dude if they have a perpetual license option i will almost certainly be like a first minute buyer it won't be cheap but they will have a prep but if i get my way they'll have a perpetual option for like the like the best tier i want to make sure they're compensated properly i don't mind spending some money on this product it sounds like a fin if it fulfills the things that they say it's going to fulfill it sounds like it's going to be a fantastic product it may not be possible i don't want another subscription some of what

they're doing like especially okay if they offered cloud backup or something oh well yeah there's not going to be a perpetual yeah or maybe it's an adder for that or whatever whatever the point is some stuff may not be possible with a one-time fee yeah you can't you can't do service things but what i am well what i am pushing for is that the the the highest tier of ownership of the product should be available as a perpetual license even if they are going like everyone does towards a subscription model for most people unless it includes things like off-site backup exactly you have to that has to be a subscription anyway so we were going back and forth about this and um one of this is just the last line of the email which i think is great he goes great input as always looking forward to seeing you on

show tonight and how much do i need to give you to dye your damn hair back d brand oh man anyway zorg 666 in chat said i'd pay like 400 for a perpetual license to that interesting good market research sample size of one but good market research said 300 to 400 kind of why i like vMix. It's perpetual. Yeah. It's not cheap, right? It's reasonably cheap for what it is, but you get two years of updates, right? That's one way that I've seen companies gate it.

This is kind of what they're thinking. Yeah, I mean, I'd be pretty happy with that. Yeah think they're i think they're being pretty that seems pretty reasonable i think they're being pretty reasonable especially like i'm probably gonna want the yeah but especially with the upper one on there like yeah dude yeah so i'm pretty i'm pretty excited i um it's been really hard to have a solid recommendation when creators come to us and they're like yeah we need to solve our story we have everything everything's on external hard drives and i'm like you're recommending that they need to ask you questions forever yeah which is like oh i don't want to recommend getting good yeah because they don't want to think of other things to do they do other stuff they're

trying to grow their channels they're trying to do whatever they don't want to learn this yeah freaking thing but i also don't want them to be stuck with the limitations of something like a sinology has right like why are we paying a thousand dollars for a freaking atom okay they're not adam anymore but but but basically on that on that level you know it's frustrating like from my point especially if you live somewhere where power is relatively affordable your nas should basically just be your old computer or your two computers old ago like it there's no reason to be using super powerful hardware unless you know you need it yeah now they're using celerons apparently i love how many times intel has killed celeron dude pentium 2 not pentium 2 pentium as well the number of times

they've killed pentium and then just been like oh right except for the pentiums we still have don't worry about it i mean it might be actually dead now i mean uncomfortable laughter. Is Mark Zuckerberg a drug dealer? No. Background on this. Back in March, the Wall Street Journal reported that Meta was under federal investigation in the United States for running ads on behalf of up-and-coming young entrepreneurs, a.k.a. illicit drug dealers. aka illicit drug dealers. In July, the Wall Street Journal has reviewed Meta's ad platform

and found they are still serving dozens of ads, steering users toward online marketplaces for illegal drugs. Leveling up. Nice. Further, a review of Meta's ad library between March and June

by industry watchdog The Tech Transparency Project found over 450 similar ads many were quite open about their products showing photos of prescription drug bottles piles of pills or even bricks of cocaine at least one showed a razor blade and yellow powder spelling out dmt wow the use of photos is most likely to avoid text-based machine moderation, which Meta has increasingly relied upon following significant layoffs to its human moderation teams. Our discussion question here is,

does Meta not deal with this because they don't want to or because they can't? And I think we all know the answer to that. I'm sure they could if they wanted to. They're perfectly profitable. But it's better for shareholders if they just use AI. Cool. Nice. Speaking of AI, fan letters by Google AI causing anger.

An ad for Google Gemini has sparked an unexpected amount of passion because it depicts a loving father asking an ai to create a draft letter for his daughter to send to an olympic athlete i hate that so much while some have criticized the ad for promoting laziness and inauthenticity others have argued that this is a relatively defensible use case where the AI creates a draft that is then personalized. So, the look on your face is so great. receiving a letter from someone's daughter who's you know watching them do something great and then potentially inspiring them to to take very life-altering choices to do something really cool with their life and if you think about the letter that they would like to receive it's probably kind of junky kid writing with spelling mistakes and maybe a little drawing at the bottom or whatever. It's not, it's not chat GPT output garbage.

It's like, this is, this is totally, this is a terrible use case. Others have argued this relatively defensible use case. If you're like super lame, maybe like, I don't know,

like, yeah. Using AI as a, like an intro inspiration for something that you end up doing in a unique way sure and this is like the lamest version of that tell me this would you be mad if they used an AI to translate it say this letter was to an athlete who spoke a different language I'm not saying they are I'm just saying both okay like sure for your convenience i have included an ai translation of my daughter's letter i'm just trying to think if there's any kind of if there's any way i can break down this wall

that i think seems completely fine though like just here you go now you don't have to like google translate take a photo of it. You can just, what if the workflow went like this? The daughter tells the dad, uh, what she likes about the athlete. The dad pumps it into a, a large language model. It's kind of spit something out.

He kind of reads it to her. And then she, she, without copying it word for word, kind of like, you know, writes it down or something yeah like it like is is there if you add another layer of human translation to the the help from the ai drafting

the letter does that help in your mind or like what like what if it's not obvious the authentic junkie words of some kid because that's actually what's happening and that's cool okay good thing it doesn't need altering i'm not in its in its in its own right in my opinion that is perfection the flaws that are included with the bad writing with the spelling mistakes with the improper sentences all that kind of stuff that is the perfection of this particular item i think the only ways that it should be altered is to improve potential issues with like you said translation because it's the olympics it's all these different countries there's very likely language barriers which is fine i'm not arguing with you i'm just i i wanted to try to i wanted to try to poke holes in it you know yeah like see if there's see if there's an angle

and i'm not it's fine i just i this is such, just it's such an annoying, cause like, I think, I think one of the biggest people's biggest frustrations with the AI stuff going on right now is instead of, uh, automating and removing, uh,

annoying, frustrating, just work like repetitive work. It's not cleaning my dishes yet. it's not doing my laundry yet it's not doing those types of things it's making art it's writing it's doing the things that humans like like to do generally which is annoying and then you're applying that all of that frustration everything's been happening replacing artists and musicians and writers instead of doing my laundry you're taking that whole

concept and you're boiling it down to like this this pure form of of adoration of a child being impressed by someone at the peak of humanity um and you're going like let's replace that with sam altman's wet dream and it's just it's frustrating so i i get why people are annoyed halihi in floatplane chat has been asking like every 10 minutes how do i like my new framework i am currently undergoing the qualcomm snapdragon challenge that video is coming out soon but i'm not using a framework laptop right now uh investment disclosure. I am using a Qualcomm laptop and... Okay, you know what? I'm not going to say anything. Instead, I'm going to show.

Okay. Anyway. Oh, that wasn't the point? No. Oh, hold on. anyway oh that wasn't the point no oh hold on oh this might be a bad demo give it a sec i think that luke doesn't like laundry i mean no i think any form of like you have to do it every day or or not every day but you have to do it very often task and there's no there's no like

i'm sure someone does but i seriously doubt many people glean genuine enjoyment from just like doing the laundry okay here's my demo so just so you guys know i've just got the ltd form um okay so how long has it been doing stuff so i have 67 battery life right now in the past it would always just be zero because it would just like turn on in my backpack and oh my current laptop is like that yeah i had a i had a one-on-one with someone that lasted for an hour all i had open was google docs and i just typed into it didn't load videos or anything like that and it was near dead by the time i was done my laptop's getting a little old dude i had obs running for screen recording and uh or no sorry

um no no sorry i had uh teams i had a video meeting going in teams and i got a notification that my battery life was critical and it had entered power saving mode or whatever and like i don't know how long later but basically i just kept going in my video meeting and then i just hung around and did some more work and i looked at it and i still had like nine percent battery left like oh, that's pretty sick. Amazing. Like on any machine that I ever had before that, being in a video call would have just crushed.

Oh yeah. What remaining, I'd have been like, hey, I got to go pretty soon. I got a critical battery warning. No, I'm loving it. Yeah, I'm loving it a lot. Sorry, who does laundry once a month? Top Gear?

Floatplane chat. You've been outed. You need to do your laundry more often. That's a lot of 30, at a minimum, 30 pairs of socks, 30 pieces of underwear. I just throw them out and get new ones from ltd store

that's what you should do too just wear them once and then buy more of them i would never actually linus would be very against that yes i'm very against that that's what i do with my water bottles oh it's dirty just just go take another one cat west said have you seen technology connections dishwasher video and yeah and i know a lot of people like that but i can understand someone wanting to do something well or be informed on how to do something that they have to do all the time i don't think that that means that they enjoy it i don't think i don't yeah are we talking about the one where he said we're all doing the soap wrong yeah i think so i think i watched that one

yeah yeah these great videos yeah they're all good but that doesn't mean that i want to use my dishwasher any more than i have to yeah but you want to use it right yeah if you're going to use it yeah which that's those are different things i want a dishwasher so badly but help me do the dishes mr memester says bernie formerly from roosterteeth said his success was measured by being able to wear a different pair of socks every day of the year and never washing them. I don't consider that success. Why is that a good thing? I just consider that waste.

Imagine you get to the end of the year and then you have to wash 365 or more pairs of socks. It's like, cool. I don't know. The socks are so small. They just go with everything else. You don't like... Washing the socks has never been an additional burden. What, you'd never do a sock load?

No. More of a boxer man? Oh my God. Oh man. Too bad he wasn't taking a drink. Yeah, you probably would have got me with that one. Heard it here first, folks. It doesn't fit in a sock.

We all knew this. Why? Why? Topic? I'm looking for one right now ratings.com has published the results of an accelerated longevity test where they ran a hundred tvs for over 10 000 hours this is roughly equivalent to typical use for an american family over the course of six years it should be noted that that's not quite true running something continuously is not necessarily the same as having multiple power on and power

off cycles over a more extended period of time. But if anything, it should be an advantage for the TVs that they were run continuously instead of being cycled because thermal cycles can be quite, quite hard on electronics. One consistent result from their testing was that thin edge lit tvs were the most prone to failure and had significantly worse longevity than other lcd tvs this is a quote edge lit tvs are inherently prone to durability issues including warped reflector sheets cracked light guide plates and burnt out leds due to heat. I'm not going to give you guys too many more details on this because my point is not for you guys to not go watch their video.

My point instead is for you guys to go watch their video because this was one of the most interesting investigations that I've seen into consumer technology in quite some time. I think they did an outstanding job of it. And once you are aware of it you're going to see the issues that they identified everywhere in your daily life uh the site is ratings.com which for some stupid reason is spelled r-t-i-n-g-s.com i guess they didn't have um what what would it work at 1.8 million dollars to spend on a decent domain i mean at that point

time i understand it. Fair enough. And respect it. That's a joke from earlier on the show. If someone from ratings is watching, call me on. Man, this looks... Some of the... Okay, no.

Actually, you gotta go... I won't. You gotta go watch the video. But some of the... I'm only seconds in, and some of the footage from this is wild. It's wild. Super cool. You should go watch it.

Yeah, go check that out. Basically, if you want to have better longevity though if you insist on not watching it uh the tldr is if you want a better a longer lasting tv you should go for something with full array local dimming instead of being edge lit and and and they also talked about how there isn't really much of a cost advantage to edge lighting my understanding is it used to be that that was quite a bit cheaper, but these days it's not. It's more about making the display thinner. So those thinner edge lit displays have issues with longevity.

Very cool. This is some more good news. Well, okay, that wasn't really good news, but this is good news. Online marketplaces, according to a U.S. court, or the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, online marketplaces are responsible for dangerous products listed by third parties. This is awesome! Yes. Finally, someone saying, hey, hello!

Wait, maybe. Well, we'll get to it if if you're selling it under your site under your name you have to deal with it like you can't just be like oh i don't know someone else put it there so the u.s consumer product safety commission has decided that amazon has a duty to issue a recall for 400 000 potentially dangerous products sold by third-party vendors on its platform between 2018 and 2021 including highly flammable children's pajamas faulty carbon monoxide detectors and unsafe hair dryers that could cause electrocution while amazon did message these customers the cpsc says it did not use the word recall and downplayed the severity of the risk,

saying that the products may fail to meet federal standards and could potentially pose a risk. Amazon says its actions were sufficient and it will appeal the ruling. But I want to see this go all the way to the end. I want sites to be responsible for the products that they list, because when I buy something from a supposedly trusted site like Amazon sites to be responsible for the products that they list because when i buy something from a supposedly trusted site like amazon used to be or you know costco i would say still fairly is now although have they gone marketplace yet i actually don't know i'm terrified has costco has costco gone marketplace? I'm looking.

Let me know, guys. Yeah, Best Buy and Walmart have. I have a... I wonder what you think about this, because I've had this idea... Apparently, no, they haven't. ...that I don't think you should be able to sit on the line.

I think you should have to be a marketplace and not sell your own things just facilitate the sale of other people's stuff or be your own store because this whole like i go on amazon and i it's yes they say it but it's not like in your face that i'm buying from somewhere else i go on new egg it's not in your face that you're buying from somewhere else like with us for example you can buy a jerry rig everything knife or or one of the ledwigs bidets but it's coming from us you deal with our customer service it's it's we're going to warranty it in fairness to them you do deal with their customer service and you do deal with

them for warranty amazon warranty so if we if we sell we sell some stuff on amazon don't we only within a certain period but yes people can absolutely return our water bottle or screwdriver to amazon if that's where they bought it oh interesting yep in fact i still don't like it i think you should be one or the other in fact these marketplaces leveraging their position as the only access that sellers have to to their customer base has led to a pretty interesting situation for team you tem you i always forget how it's pronounced i'm so sorry i don't care so people are like attacking me for saying it wrong i don't shop there i don't see their ads if i do i ignore them i'm sorry i don't know team you whatever it is apparently they had um protests at their headquarters. This was a day ago. Their sellers are revolting against

fines, withheld pay, and situations where customers are claiming warranty issues. And Timmy is basically going, okay, yeah, no problem. Here's your refund. And don't bother sending the product back. And these marketplace sellers are like, yo, I want that back. If it's broken or whatever, I need to look at it. If I'm sending the money back, I want the product back. And yeah, it's been a whole thing. Nice. Good.

Yeah. Anyway, I thought that was pretty interesting. and yeah it's been it's been a whole it's been a whole thing nice good yeah anyway yeah i thought that was pretty interesting chad is talking about my take and like yeah i think ebay is completely fine completely because it's very clear what you're doing when you're on that website to me it's not super clear when i'm on some of these other websites a lot of these other websites what's actually happening if i'm actually buying this from the store that i'm at, or if I'm technically buying this from some other store. But with eBay, have we just been frog boiled more effectively? Because eBay used to be an auction site.

If you think about it, there didn't used to be buy it now. I don't think I care. Now it's a marketplace site. Yeah, but it's, I don't think, does eBay sell their own product? No.

Then yeah, I don't care. You know what you're getting into when you're there whether you buy it now or you auctioned i'm not too worried about it um i'm just saying there definitely there definitely was a shift in model for ebay but it's one that you consider i think that's fine because you still know you're buying from a massive array of sellers it's very front and center what the seller is that you're buying it from. And you know when you're on eBay that you're buying it from a huge range.

Apparently eBay always had Buy It Now. I think it wasn't as popular back in the day. I was not aware of that. I mean, I know that it's basically most of what I see listed these days. And I don't think that was the case before. But that's good to know. Definitely good to know definitely good to know yeah apparently it always had it i know they've had it for a very long time i just didn't think they had it at the beginning

all right that's it for topics it's time for after dark yes let's do it after purple after yeah after chair after do we have an after dark sponsor today dan you're muted sorry it's in the it's in the doc is it i don't know i can't see it um that's because it's an advertisement let's just say i'm dumb yeah nice that was a pretty good reference actually uh pia oh okay after dark is brought to you by private internet access and it'll show up on the banner and things as well nice all right dan you want to hit us with some merch messages yeah just let me switch this banner over and then yeah i've got some here let's see purple even though new standards are always more

useful and successful and never compete with their predecessors slash s linus and luke what standard would you like to have erased from history oh wow uh usb what no it'd be funny no i mean every device just uses a parallel port from like i mean there are to your phone yeah just this giant port 25 pin d sub kind of thing yeah um i definitely do think that there are that there are standards the world would be better off without. Um, I don't think that I would go as broad as, as USB, but I think I would, I would delete micro USB from history if I could.

I think mini B was a, um, no, it wasn. Mini-B was B, but it was Mini-B. Mini-B, first of all, was much more durable than Micro-B. And second of all, at least anecdotally, and second of all, was not that much bigger. It really wasn't much bigger. Very few devices, very few devices that had a Micro-B port on them that couldn't possibly have just had a mini B on them instead. And people are saying micro HDMI and mini HDMI. Yeah, those are complete garbage town.

However, I wouldn't delete them. They have a certain utility, whereas micro B, my issue with it is that i would have rather just used mini b until we made it to usbc i really think we could completely delete that standard from history and not a lot would have been lost you got anything got a standard that you would eliminate adobe flash jk jk adobe flash served a purpose i actually really liked it when it was also macromedia flash yeah yeah yeah before it was adobe flash i don't know there's a lot of i feel like i feel like most standards like i i completely agree with you on the micro b thing but i feel like most standards are just suffering from the xkcd let's there's too many standards let's add a standard so that we can just have one standard

and then there's one more standard um i don't think most standards are necessarily actually that bad like the fact that hdmi and displayport have to coexist yeah i understand there are features that one has and the other doesn't but the fact that we keep propping up hdmi at this point when it really doesn't do much that displayport doesn't already do or couldn't do and it has a license fee associated with it when dp doesn't i just couldn't we put copy protection over dp i believe it can be done yeah yeah why yeah yeah i don't know maybe maybe hdmi i don't know i just find i find most standards like i don't know you could get rid of the vast majority of them um and there would be something usb is kind of funny because not really but you could get rid of the mass vast majority

of standards and there's probably some other standard that's probably fine i mean we could have all used firewire rambus i mean rambus things though it's like even with firewire if it kept being developed until now maybe firewire 4 or whatever maybe it would be fine titan storm has the best one rj11 we could have just never had rj11 and then everywhere that was ever wired for a phone line could just be rj45 and could be useful for networking today now that landline phones are dead if we had just not had rj11 the world would be a better place today i like that i like that that's a good one you win yeah pretty good you won yeah mini disc nah mini disc is a fun curiosity yeah eight track i don't know we don't need to get rid of it yeah yeah uh let's see hi linus been playing beat saber about two months now what levels are your favorite at what settings and do you have any tips for moving

from hard to expert also my friend micah says love you lld.wan. The biggest tip is that instead of moving your arms, which is slow because your arms are heavy and have a lot of inertia, you need to twist your arms. This is faster than this. Maybe more painful to start. What is it, tip to tip yeah yeah exactly and inside out and uh whatever encoding uh anyway compression um so so yeah you need to you need to learn to pronate and supinate this was very difficult your arm but i got a lot better once i kind of figured it out i was never that great at it but yeah a lot better i had better luck with the oculus rift controllers than the index controllers because

they were lighter and the center of mass was closer to the the wrist do you have any tips for improving index controller grip uh you can also you can look up grips no no it's uh it's mostly just the mass of them and their ability to rotate in space no man it's it's totally a thing um hold on i was just trying to razz you uh no this is the wrong one uh basically there's there's like guides for all the different like grips that you can have and stuff oh no this dude this is this is a whole oh yeah it's totally this is a whole thing i've been trying to find those myself actually and yeah i kind of do similar things to some of those it's a whole rabbit i should look that up because my my ability to play just absolutely tanked to nothing after i got the index man try playing with the old vive wands oh yeah those are

freaking heavy they're tough so people would like put their fingers like through the hole um and then they'd like hold it like that so that the center of gravity was different still can't find the buttons get your mind out of the gutter oh man okay uh let's see getting this to replace one that fell off my motorbike and got crushed when riding from glasgow to lisbon sorry what are you buying they bought a 40 ounce water bottle nice atlantic blue lod what is the most important thing you have lost while right riding or your bike or traveling oh man did i tell the story of how i left not one but both of my luggages on a bullet train when i was in japan i have a vague memory of this but they probably

don't know uh oh wait no i think i did i think i did okay yeah well basically i got it back thank you japan i'm not too surprised and culture of honesty and efficiency i got it back. Thank you, Japan. I'm not too surprised. And culture of honesty and efficiency. I got it back in a couple of hours and I managed to make my flight. Wow. Yeah. I'm not surprised you got it back. I'm a little surprised you got it back like with haste.

It wasn't super hasty. Remind me sometime to send you the completely unhinged chat history that I have with Yvonne while I was waiting for the lost and found okay it was not moving fast and i was very stressed out because i had a flight to make that i literally made by one minute oh ultimately yeah it was it was crazy it was one of the most wild experiences of my life um but anyway i ended up like rushed off the train and i was like oh i

grabbed my backpack and go and i just completely left them in the top which where i wouldn't normally put things like i because you know because i know i know what i'm like yeah um anyway the the worst sort of tech thing while traveling and i think the way that you're asking was when i put my laptop on top of my car as i was getting into it and then drove to school i took notes with paper that day yeah i drove to school from surrey to ubc it could have been anywhere literally anywhere i i've i'm i'm very like once an item is put down yeah i think my memory of it is temporarily removed. I don't know that that exists anymore. What's it called? Object permanence.

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, pretty much. If I put something on my car now, I put it on the driver's side windshield. That's my hack. Yeah. I've got things like, I have better habits when I travel.

It's something that honestly frustrates me in general because I'm like, I wish I could keep these things up when I'm not traveling but i better have it when i travel and one of those things is i will just tie things to myself so like if i'm on a train and i put my bag down i'll just tie it to my leg i'm really good with my backpack i didn't forget my backpack but part of the problem for me on that trip probably like the physical memory was i had spent the trip there and going around everywhere in Japan with my family. So I didn't have, because what I'll do is I count.

I'll count how many items I'm supposed to have with me. Three, three, three, three, two, three. So that's how I keep things with me. But there had been no consistent. I love the grunt of recognition. Two. Number. Phone. so that's how i keep things with me but there had been no consistent grunt of recognition but there'd been no consistent number on that trip right like no i'm the same way about my phone my my number of things that are supposed to be in my pants is four yeah don't ask me what the extra one is. You can forget that.

Um, I mean, I would, if it wasn't attached to me. Um, so yeah, my, my number of things that are supposed to be in my pants is four and I have

designated pockets where everything goes. And if for whatever reason I put something in a different pocket, I lose, I lose it. I'm like, you know um anyway what you lose oh i've lost a bunch of stuff i don't know i i think there's there's one time on the plane i forgot my wallet in uber one time um dude was super helpful came back it was great um i left

the phone on the plane as you know um there's there's been yeah there's been a bunch of different things i lose sweaters all the time i don't when i travel i still take a sweater because i like doing the like i put it on backwards on the plane you get like a a dark environment so i can sleep more easily is that more of a front and pull the whole thing tight so i can have my gigantic snorkel of a nose sticking out of it so i can breathe more easily but yeah yeah it looks good too i i but i unless i like really need it i will not take it out of the hotel room because i'm like it'll it's gone i leave sweaters at friends houses all the time yeah it's like it's bad you've never left one at mine what are you saying i'm pretty sure i have no i'm just i'm like rather certain um but i don't know ben mitchell goes wow i never noticed linus's nose until now stop bringing it up sad i never thought it was that big yeah but i mean

I never thought it was that big. Yeah, but I mean... Okay, next one. Oh, man. Hey, low-density lipoprotein LDL. Question for Linus. Would you ever do an interview with Hank Green? I'd love to hear your thoughts on each other's business practices as successful YouTube creators. I mean, sure. I don't interview people, but if I was going to interview someone, sure, why not? Hank Green seems like an absolute Chad.

Yeah. Let's see. Hey, Daddy Linus, I was recently featured in a mean comments video. Please tell James I'm sorry. He is not, in fact, a f***ing menace. I think the term you're looking for is f***ing menace. I did bleep the word f*** when I said that. Verbal bleep. I like it. Just for you guys, so there's no... It's kind of how I sing along with rap songs.

You just leave a gap? Yeah. That's the safest thing. Yeah, pretty much. Or you could just not sing along. Much, no. No, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. You know, violence and disrespecting women and all that kind of stuff.

I'll sing along with that, but there's certain things. I draw a line. I drive a Chevrolet movie theater. Please tell James I'm sorry. Do you have any concerns about videos like that encouraging toxic comments? No, not really. It doesn't really seem to go up or down.

I think most people have a pretty good sense of humor and have a pretty healthy relationship with their consumption of our videos it just is like a very very small minority of frankly kind of unhinged people that have taken the whole parasocial relationship thing whether it's with us or whether it's with like a tech brand that they stand or whatever else it is and have just gone off the deep end with it um it it's with us or whether it's with like a tech brand that they stand or whatever else it is and i've just gone off the deep end with it um it it's still i think you see a lot of it in tech just because how do i put this um respectfully i think uh yeah this was buried what two and a half hours into a land show it's probably fine what's happening you see a lot of this in tech right where i think i think that a lot of us

ended up into computers and technology because we struggled socially right um like i'm not i'm not i'm not gonna dance around this right like that was a big part of what was appealing about it to me so i think it's natural that we end up with um some people in the tech community maybe disproportionately so that have kind of uh um some challenges when it comes to sort of social understanding and social interactions right so um it's totally a thing it's totally a thing i don't think that even needs to be like buried in a way but it's it's not an overwhelming it's not an overwhelming majority and a lot of the social difficulties aren't harmful yeah yeah it's just it's just the handful that you know write temple os you know like wow we had some challenges right yeah

hi when.dll what are your thoughts on home theater setups, talking full AV receivers, for PCs? I've been looking for an option, but it appears none support 21 by 9. um it's not it's not entirely due to hdmi it actually has to do with the implementation obviously it'll work at 21 by 9 on your computer with an hdmi cable um but it it it's it's just been a it's been a that's just you've you've hit a trigger for me that's really frustrating that av receivers won't just pass through whatever resolution who cares as long as there's enough bandwidth why does this matter um yeah so you don't the the thing though is that you don't have to go through your receiver for the video like you could just um you can just use the av receiver with um you can just use the av receiver for audio and then have a separate cable go out to your display. So that's probably what I would do

if you want to use home theater speakers and an AV receiver, which I actually did for a long time. I had an on-cure receiver and these... Who made the speakers anyway? Wow, how do I know? Oh, Kef. Yeah, I had like Kef satellite speakers.

It was kind of a sick setup at my girlfriend's parents house imagine having a sick audio speaker based audio setup i know right that is just your girlfriend's parents i know what level like based is that but that's another angle i like the angle that's just so that's so far that's so chad but is it brat yeah i think so i don't even know it might be beyond brat i think if your parents had a sick audio system at your house like your girlfriend's parents had one at your house that would probably be brat that would be that would be super weird why would they do that why why would they have that. Just because you're that brat.

Dan, I don't know if you understand what brat is. I don't either, though. Yeah, me neither. So sure, why not? Yeah, sure. Yes, it's brat. Confirmed. Yeah, it's quite.

Okay, moving on, I think. Yeah, I think that might be the show for today. Yeah, sure. Really appreciate you guys tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel bye bye oh you might have to cut back to me

this is hilarious uh john from ash tech messaged me 35 minutes ago he's like aight man go ahead and confirm we'll do a perpetual option don't say prices yet though i you didn't technically confirm that they were going to do it but no he says go ahead and do it though oh okay yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah, so now it's done. I love it. All right, see you later.

That pretty much guarantees I'll be using it personally. All right. Cool. I'm not an investor. Oh, bye number two. You can't do it twice. What if I say bye-bye? What if this precedent, we can't...

Bye-bye! What that's gonna do? There might be music playing over music. We'll find out. Bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye.