The WAN Show - I Met THE Linus - WAN Show September 5, 2025

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What is up, L's and G's and oh, welcome to the Wend Show. We have a great show lined up for you guys this week. I had just about the most exciting freaking phone call of my life. I have told Luke basically nothing about it, but I had about a 25-minute conversation with the Linus. Torvalds. And, and there's so much more because I have some exciting news to share about the outcome of that conversation. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but it looks like something might be happening. In other news this week, okay, Valve may have some new VR hardware

are coming extremely soon and I am cautiously, hopefully optimistic. You took one of my two and it was honestly really hard to find those. Silk Song is here and it's been actually crazy. I've heard about it from

practically freaking everyone so that's exciting. And I don't know. Come on, Luke, you got to sell them on the exciting show. That's not going to do. the first battlemage based workstation card and you should

be hyped because it's cheap I'm only in the intro forget it which is sick that's good the show the show is brought to the show is brought to

you today by Thorem, delete me, and Squarespace. And of course, that's alongside our Rapp Partner Dbrand, our laptop partner D-Brand, our laptop partner, Dell, and our chair partner Secret Lab. So I am going to, I'm going to share

something with you guys. It was way back in, oh man, good Lord, when would this have been? I think it was during CES, yes. During CES, I don't know why, but I was suddenly

struck with the idea of, hey, after 17 years doing this, why don't I just, why don't I just shoot my shot, you know? See if the OG Linus creator of Linux is like down to do something because, I don't know, he like appears on camera once in a while and stuff. He obviously computes, right? Like, yeah, why not, right? We've certainly been aligned at points in the past with respect to how we feel about certain hardware vendors and how they treat our respective industries. So there's got to be some synergies there. So I'm only going to read my emails verbatim because I don't want to, you know, leak the DMs or whatever. What I, you know, I consider an email that someone sends to me private information.

generally speaking. So here's what I said. Here's what I said. By the way, it's pretty funny watching the AI summary of our thread because it's like Linus proposed a collaboration, then Linus said this and Linus said that anyway. This might be a bit of a long shot, but we've received hundreds, probably thousands, of requests over the years to do something with Linus.

And I sent this to basically every email address that I could find. Here are some rough jumping off points, building the perfect Linux machine for Linus Torvalds, an April Fool's video where we have him straight-faced host one of our videos and just never acknowledge that it's the wrong Linus, having him react to various Linux missteps that, you know, I've committed over the years and maybe provide some commentary or advice. I said, truthfully, I don't have a concept solidified in my mind, but I wanted to put out failers to see if there's any appetite for any kind of collaboration. Regards, the other tech linus

I heard back literally hold on I'm just trying to find the time stamps here it was within like minutes though like I was floored I heard back

and I'm not going to go word for word but basically it was something to do with Highlander from 1986 you know there can be only one right

and then there was I thought you meant our like Guinness World Record for us nope not even a little and then

there was some mention of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome and the admittedly correct assessment that both had epic music and I was left kind of

going okay so is this a Is this a yes? Is it a no? How about this? Tell you what? I'm going to assign myself some homework. I'm going to watch those films. And so to make sure that I get all the references.

So since CES, I have watched all of the original Mel Gibson Mad Max movies. I have watched Highlander. And a little while ago, I reached out again. And I went, okay, I totally, totally get all the references now. and, hey, are you interested in doing something? And earlier this week, I actually got on a call with the man himself, and I don't want to promise anything because for a thousand reasons, right, it might not work out. And that might not be anyone's fault, and there would be no hard feelings whatsoever.

You know, something isn't really done until it's done, and there's nothing wrong with that. but right now right now it looks like we are going to build an ultimate Linux machine for the Linus Torvalds and and and and he will help build it we will have him here in the studio I almost wonder like if you should put like rainbow cards in it like if you if you should have an invidion Intel and an AMD GPU so he can like for work reasons

my goal my goal would be to would be to make it as as stable because I know that that's something that he values a lot like we'll almost certainly be using ECC memory for instance because that's something he's really quite passionate about

from what I've seen in the past so I want that no I want this to be quite a serious I want to have some fun, obviously. That's what we do, right? We're going to have some fun, but I want the machine to be serious and what I want from you guys. And Dan, I'm actually not sure necessarily what the best way for us to tackle this is. Maybe what we could do is we could do a float plane post sometime over the next week or two. I want to get some feedback from the community because this is a super rare opportunity. And obviously, the whole point of the video doesn't have to be,

here's how to put a memory stick in a Linux computer right like I don't think that's what people are going to be watching this for no I want to like I want to have I want to have a conversation you know Linus a Linus you know chatting about our about our very very different experiences and our very different sort of approach to the tech world there are some parallels we've both ruffled some feathers you can build and talk over the years yeah yeah so I want to know, like, what would you guys, because to me, building a computer opposite someone is, it's almost, it's almost not the point, right? It's more like a, it's more like a hot ones. It's an excuse to be in the same room at the same time, right?

Spurkey ones. Dude, though, I am like, amazed at how easy it was to get him on the show. He was just like, oh, yeah, that sounds fun. Let's do it. I thought I'd have to grovel. I, I offered to bring the whole production to him. And he was like, no, no, I think I could do that. I could just come up there. And I was like, okay, that's incredibly generous of your time. I know this is a little premature. Yeah.

But I hope it goes so well that, like, he wants to do something again. I think this is really cool. I think it's so cool. I think it would be awesome. And it's one of those things where just like, I just never asked because I assumed I just assumed I don't know I the answer would be would be no and I think I don't know me and maybe it's like an insecurity on my part maybe it's just maybe I've allowed my perception of myself to be colored the same way that I think some people do as sort of like the like the tech clown like I like I you know he drops stuff he does this he does that I um I I I I I I I I I I don't know. I don't know why I thought he'd say no or ignore it.

I didn't think he'd necessarily even get my email. But like... That part's kind of surprising to me. I think for me, it's not my perception of you. It's just that like he's been... I don't know. I don't know how to say this and not sound like I'm... grovelling but he's kind of been like a somewhat of a godlike figure forever uh in like our

realm so it's just kind of crazy so you're gonna have to you're gonna have to sort of dial that back when he's here no i know because what i will say is he doesn't seem to get it like what for sure and that's not something you like ever really say to somebody's face what an absolute freaking rock star he is in our community because like i was like dude you're gonna have to i like I tried to prepare him a little bit. I was like, dude, you're going to have to understand that, like, there's going to be people in our office that are like, Oh, I'll chill.

I'll be fine. It's so great to meet you, sir. Like, it's good. And he's like, oh, I mean, I'm like, do you understand. You are beloved in our space. And he's like, oh, I don't know. I mean, not everybody likes me. I've ruffled a lot of feathers.

I've been very outspoken. I'm like, sir, you got to understand the way that you are. outspoken and the cause that you represent it's very aligned with our community yeah you've got some fans here definitely so i think he might end up a little taken aback by just how much our community in particular is going to be like no way well i mean i think there's also been a very large push and I've been talking about individually a little bit but I think honestly that's largely because of the communication in our community for a while but there's been a really large push of people trying to kind of flee over to Windows lately I think largely enabled by by Steam OS

sorry flee over to Windows you mean flee from Windows no flee away from Windows is what I'm to say yeah okay I was like what are you talking about but no yeah fleeing from Windows flinging away from Windows. And that's like, man, the fact that it's even a possibility is kind of wild to go to an open source option is crazy. Considering there's effectively two, right? And they're both just like enormous commercial giants. So the fact that there's a genuinely really good alternative that is like free and open is, nuts yeah i mean tons of credit tons of credit to valve for the support that they've given

um and tons of credit of course to the the foot soldiers the ones that are out there doing the work uh to make this happen because it has been arduous um and i i mean i you wouldn't have to go back that far for me to say yeah this is never going to happen like even valve looked like they gave up after the original steam machines flopperoo. And clearly they didn't, which is great, but yeah, it seemed like they did for a bit. Really did. Legacy Uprising says there are only three OGs and two, I couldn't care less to see on the show. There's Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and the only open source one, Linus.

It's like, yep, yeah, I think that's a sentiment that's going to resonate with a big part of our community, which isn't to say at all that the contributions to modern computing, for better or for worse, from the other two were not monumental. Absolutely they were. No one is questioning that. No one's denying that. But in terms of like, you know, if I was to pick a big three sort of figureheads, because again, a big part of their roles was to be figureheads or is to be figureheads.

it's not like it's not like any of them was you know sitting developing everything over the entire span of of their in some cases decades long careers right like there there are many many contributors to to every major platform but in terms of like if i was going to pick a big three figureheads yeah those would those would be them for me too yes we're not forgetting the waos don't worry chat don't worry we're not forgetting steve wasniak now now waz is somebody that i think would be fantastic to have on the show I mean look let's start let's start somewhere let's start somewhere and then if this goes really well dude I mean how fun would that be that'd be sweet

that'd be super cool but let's start somewhere because it never hurts it never hurts when we do outreach you know to other people to be like okay and here's the time that we had you know Linz Torvald's on and it went great or I don't know, maybe it didn't go so good.

No, I'm sure. I think it's going to go great. Yeah. I'm just, I just wanted to, I'm too excited to not share that with you guys this week. This is the kind of thing where if I wasn't so amped about it to the point where I'd probably end up leaking it anyway, then I would have saved and I would have just had it be a surprise when the video dropped. But I just, I just really wanted to talk about it and I'm, I'm psyched. I'm absolutely psyched And yeah, Dan, I don't know

Maybe could we coordinate with Sammy To get some jumping off points For some conversations that people would like to hear? 100%. Okay, that would be amazing So that'll be over on floatplane LMG.g.g slash floatplane If you're not part of our legion of float planers

Just quite yet. Speaking of legions of float planers, I guess now is as good a time as any to head into our next topic. Um, last week, I, it was a relatively short conversation, I thought, but we discussed a little bit of what's been happening on the channel with respect to viewership. Uh, there were some theories that we kind of threw around on the show last week. Um, since that time, we have done some additional digging. And I wouldn't say that we have an answer, but we definitely have a lot more questions. And, uh, I guess, I'm going to have to kind of bring producer Dan into the conversation for this because he's one of the ones that's been doing a fair bit of the investigation on our side.

So we've kind of, we've chatted a little bit with YouTube about it. But in typical YouTube fashion, the answer is pretty much get good. Which, to be clear, is fair and is a valid stance. like if there is an algorithmic shift that means that yeah you know a point two or point four difference in click through ratio means that hey your packaging just isn't good enough for the modern meta anymore or if there's a shift where established channels can't just take for granted that they're going to get a certain number of impressions and they're going to have to get scrappier and fight for every viewer you know just like they did in the early days that's that's a valid answer and that's one that I can can, that I can totally accept. But Dan did dig up some things, and we did see some feedback from other creators, both publicly and in our inboxes, that would lead us to believe that it isn't quite, quite, maybe not quite that simple.

So, Dan, do you want to talk a little bit about sort of, maybe let's go chronologically? So start with what you sort of discovered right after WAN Show that we were kind of chatting about on teams afterward. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we had a pretty brutal chat after WAN show. I think all of us here are pretty concerned about this downturn in viewership. Like we're seeing maybe a 50% viewership drop. So we went from one and a half, two million views per video to down to like a million.

So like huge, huge drop. I mean, less than that for that one in particular. Exactly. Sometimes down to 300,000. I think that one still has like 400K or something like that, even though it's been up for over a week. Yeah, 500K. 500, 7,000. Yeah, something like that.

So I thought this was pretty weird because in general, if our videos were just getting worse, like we were just losing it, you should be seeing like a downward trend. And, you know, maybe we are getting bad. Maybe that's a component of it too. But I built a tool to pull all of our videos that we've ever made. So that's roughly 6,900 or something like that. and one thing that I've also pulled was all of the likes for those videos too and are you able to share any of this on screen or are you just going to kind of I can throw pictures up I'm not sure how much of this you want to show publicly

yeah we're we're that for better or for worse Dan our transparency is we're like we're like pains of glass absolutely you know we're transparent and sometimes we break yeah um yeah so I think we should show out where we got the tip from too yes that's right Well, let's go chronological. Sure, sure, sure, sure. I will grab some pictures in a minute if I can't. Anyway, I ran this chart, and I saw that there was this shift. And it was really, really strange because it was so sudden.

And we hadn't seen many other kind of, I guess, creators talking about it at that point. And it was also very difficult to find other creators that were presenting similar to We Were. I pulled Mr. Beast. I pulled Veritasium. I pulled a bunch of other channels. And I think their upload frequency maybe had something to do with their data that didn't look like this. But what we found was the views were down, but the like ratio had gone through the roof. So our average like ratio, I think, was something like 3%. And it had skyrocketed it.

Did we know this already before the heads up? One sorry? Did we know this like ratio thing already? No, this is, this was the heads up. Yeah, so we got to go chronologically. Yeah, who was that then? That was Brody? Oh, yeah, that's right.

Okay, okay, so there was a merch message that came in from a viewer. Yeah. Giving us a heads up of Brody Robinson. Hopefully I didn't say that wrong. Let me check his channel. We've engaged with him before. And Fleming says Brody, yeah, I watched his video. Yeah, Brody Robertson.

So there's a merch message that came in flagging that video for us. So big appreciation to the merch message. If I remember quickly, it was anonymous. That's right. I don't know. But that sent us to Brody's video. And then Brody's video talked about this whole views going down, likes going sharply up, revenue going. Yeah, likes not going.

sharply up, but likes staying constant, meaning that if views are down, but your likes are the same, the ratio of viewers liking the content is skyrocketing. And then a pattern as well of revenue also staying constant, meaning that your CPMs or your amount of money per view also win. Yeah, that's another big thing that I found. I think that was a couple days ago now. I was looking at our revenue numbers because, okay, are we getting less views? If we're getting less views, we should be making less money. Every YouTuber makes money off of AdSense. That should track.

I did a linear regression on revenue to view count, and it is pretty much perfectly, statistically correlated with no outliers. Revenue is stable around our average. It hasn't moved within one sigma from that means. but viewership is down over one sigma, so like 65 to 98% kind of outside normal, and then like ratio is up by two sigma. So it's like everyone who is seeing this, I think your views are the same. I think they haven't changed.

And you can check your revenue numbers and you can check your like ratio as well. Another thing that I did is I calculated our revenue per view, which is like a, it's kind of a CPM that, you know, we make. It's like an RPM, but not the one that YouTube reports. YouTube's reported CPM and RPM have no statistical correlation to view count at all. But if you take the number of views you get and the amount of money you get, you get a, like an RPM. That number has also skyrocketed by about the same. And what I managed to do was I calculated our average RPM.

And then I kind of flipped it around. So instead of RPM revenue divided by views, I did how many views we should have got for this amount of revenue that we generated. Right. And what I found is that, you know, it's a little bit more wonky, but the views are where they're supposed to be. The numbers are, you know, roughly where they're supposed to be on the average, which I thought was very strange. Do you have any of these visuals for the people just yet? They're going to take me a sec. Why don't you guys discuss, because I've got to, like, screen cap and download all these pictures.

Oh, okay. I mean, it's been interesting. There's, there's, I was flagged this video and, and in classic fashion, uh, I haven't watched it and I haven't read the comments. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Here we go. It's probably full of furry porn. No, no, no. No. Um, it's a dark viper video. Um, but the, He released a video 17 hours ago. I've been traveling, so I haven't been able to watch it.

But he released a video 17 hours ago, just in quotes, saying, I guess my retirement is coming sooner than I thought. And I've heard that it's about this YouTube performance thing that's going on. So maybe consider checking that out. I've seen some other creators talking about it. There's some theories, I believe Brody, who really tipped us off on all of this stuff. There's some theories that I believe he said as well. well, that it might be kind of being A, B, tested.

So some channels are getting hit by whatever this is, and other channels seem to not be. I have talked to other creators that think that they've had none of these effects, and I've looked at their results, and their overall revenue is staying kind of flat, their like-to-view ratio staying kind of flat, and their overall views are staying kind of right where they expected, and then you're seeing other creators where this exactly, exactly similar pattern is happening where the like to view ratio and the CPMs are just going way up and the viewers are going way down and it's all on the exact it happened to everybody at like the exact same time so it's it's really really really hard like we don't know obviously we have no idea

but it's really hard to point of this and say like there isn't something going on in youtube land obviously you can always do better sure and there are various theories for for how you know something like this could happen legitimately. One of the theories that I've seen is that YouTube could be cleaning up idle auto play. So something that I do know is that

an idle view is not worth as much. It cannot be monetized as effectively as an active, engaged view. It's also less likely to result in clicking the like button because you're sleeping or you're otherwise

away or idling. And so that is a potential hypothesis for how a video could perform as expected in terms of the revenue and in terms of the viewer engagement, but not register nearly as many views or nearly as much watch time. It could also explain why some of these very low viewership videos have really great retention and really great user sentiment. It turns out this is a good video. It's just that like nobody's watching it or maybe YouTube is fine-tuning things so that only people who are actually very interested and very actively engaged are watching it. That's one theory I've seen. So I've got our chart here, right? And I'm going to hold on.

Let me finish with the kind of random theories first and then, yeah, as soon as you're ready. After that. Another one is that there's this new feature called, I think it's called hype that showed up in the dashboard. board right around that time, and I think it has to do with helping to promote small channels. So another theory that I've seen is that, no, the viewer drop is real, but it is mostly affecting only certain kinds of channels, or it's mostly affecting established channels, because this hype feature is kind of designed to elevate smaller channels and diversify the content on the platform a little bit. I think there could be some merit there, but it doesn't really back

up some of the observations that we've seen within our own dashboard over the last little while. Like, after that one video that absolutely bombinated, the hidden gaming setup in my new desk one, that it still has half a million views, which I want to just get this out there, most people on Earth would be thrilled to get half a million views on their YouTube video. And that is, that is, that's like huge. I'm not. I'm not down on getting half a million views on a YouTube video. That's awesome. Like, good job if you've ever managed to achieve that.

I'm just saying that when you have like 100 staff and you've kind of built a model around expecting a certain number of views, then that can be a disappointment because that could mean that the model is no longer sustainable. So that's where I'm coming from here. So right after that one that bombed, we had our worst performing WAN show in, I don't know years so it was rough yeah last WAN show was an absolute bomb

but then we had two one out of tens in a row and when I say a one out of 10 that means that it is the top performing video out of the last 10 uploaded to your channel so we had a good thing it sounds like a bad thing but it's a good thing yes so we had Nintendo's greed could change the industry that was a one out of 10 it now has 1.6

million views and it has a looks like a pretty normal like ratio so i don't know if i would believe that it's supposed to have three million views by now and then we had we're being forced by chrome books which was a really like back to basics old school l t filmed on phones completely unscripted me and david went shopping for chromebooks that was another one at a 10 which also like has it's got a good you know like ratio and everything but but not an outlier by any stretch of the imagination then we had another bomb yesterday and so that unfortunately I think kind of derailed

the conversation within the community to yeah you guys aren't getting views because your content sucks and it's like look I get it the how many monitors is too many sure you can make the argument it sucked looking back at it now with people's feedback it's like

yeah you know what I think our ratio of not the ones that got the LG monitor shipped to them could have been better and like it probably could have been long longer. It just was bad timing. We've been, internally we've been discussing, hey, how do we get our video linked down a little bit? But that was shot before that happened. So the ratio probably would have been better. Anyway, the point is just, it's spilled milk at this point. Even with some of the negative feedback around it, the viewership is, is very, very low, but it's still not nearly as

bad as that hidden desk one was, which I think had a better title, better thumbnail, better premise, and was like a real, real outlier. I really thought the title thumbnail on the desk video was fantastic, yeah. So, okay, with all that in mind then, I don't know what to think, other than if they are A-B testing something, it might even not be channel wide. I mean, it might be video-to-video for all I can tell. Or maybe they just aren't A-B-testing something, and maybe those videos just suck. at the end of the day like our action plan just has to be make the best possible content we can

and upload as much of it as we can that's all we can do that's all we can do um but it's still you know i don't think it hurts to have these conversations so okay dan you got us some visuals to show the people now right do i do hopefully hopefully they can make sense um and are we okay showing some revenue numbers or shall i keep that one out of it yeah i don't care so here is the first one i got at the top here i will get rid of myself in a In the top here, we've got views, and the bottom one here is our... No, don't do it, damn! The green line in the center there is our average.

One sigma, two sigma above that. You can see light ratio has gone ridiculous, and views are down two. The next one here... No, no, put that back up. Do you have a mouse pointer that you can kind of use to really show them the date? Maybe. Probably not. Help the people.

Okay, fine. Well, basically, it's... Let me do that. It's around the start of August there then. That's right. Where the like to view ratio on the top just skyrockets, where the low watermark becomes what used to be a high watermark, right? And then right on that same day, pretty much,

you go down to the bottom and view performance goes. And like some of that can be explained a little bit because if a video is only viewed by the super hardcore audience, they're more likely to tap like. But this is, this does not explain that entirely. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

There, I made a point here. So, yeah, as you can kind of see, like, this is where it kind of starts. Right in August, it all goes a bit weird. And then if we compare that with all of our videos, we've ever made, which is this one here. So I pulled all 6,000. You can see right at the end here, this goes up.

Most of it's just like noise for the entire history of the channel. And then it just goes zoop. And then same here. It just kind of drops down to nothing. And there are some, there are definitely some outliers over the years where there's days that have like a spectacular like ratio. But those, if you go and you drill down into them, What you're going to find is things like the D-brand sponsored video

where we just, like, uploaded that video of D-brand trolling me. That has a phenomenal like-to-view ratio. Or ones where, you know, Elijah said, hey, if we get 100,000 likes, I'll make this weird hope poster with CEO Taryn Tong, which we did get and we did have to make. So those are some of the outliers that you guys are seeing there. Everything else is pretty much,

our typical, you know, way of doing things where we don't really call out the like button super hard, our content. I wouldn't, I wouldn't describe it as say me. I don't think that's fair, but I think it's consistent for the most part. Another thing that I did is that second win video that came out got shared around. This is their channel, and I can see exactly pretty much the same thing. Their like ratio goes insane. Their views kind of go down. I've had to correct this one a little bit because they have sort of mini channels, right? You've got Yotsie in them, and there's all those sorts of spikes. But most of their channel performance is around here, and then you can kind of see there's a bit of drop-off, but that like ratio goes crazy, which is very, very strange as well.

If we move on to our revenue here, this is from a more recent kind of time period, but you can see that the views drop off here, but revenue is still within that 65% middle band. and then our revenue per view goes up like insane, like way out of normal, which is kind of interesting as well. Very, very, very strange. If you want to see that as a linear regression, you can kind of see here. So this top one is the provided CPM.

So basically, yeah, like no, absolutely no correlation between CPM and views. And then the bottom one here is our views to estimated revenue, which would kind of tell me that our revenues not being adjusted because we're still getting the same amount of views and we're still getting the same amount of revenue. Or rather, we're not getting the same number of views. Sorry, yeah. Yeah. The expected amount of revenue is weird. This last one here is that kind of flip. So you can kind of again see on the right hand side here, we've got our right like these two graphs track really really closely with each other until suddenly at the beginning of August they decouple

absolutely and you do see some slight decoupling but not consistent and if you can think about where our numbers are supposed to be which are roughly around 1.5 to 2 million these are there just the views are really low some of them are still coupled I don't know what's going on I don't know enough but uh that's really strange but i've got more uh what's but wait there's more but wait there's more um which one is this this is dark viper he posted that video today i see the same thing you can see his like ratio goes crazy and his views are down he hits an all time he hits two what would be all time highs for like ratio in the last month you got to be kidding me right while his views are in the absolute toilet at low points for this entire data range.

Here, yeah. Like, come on, come on, man. Another interesting thing that I'm seeing is, like, the like ratio is super decoupled from views initially. Like, you'll have a view that, you'll have a video that has 100,000 views, and it has 80,000 likes, and the likes go up even more. Like, I was tracking the... Do you want to go back to Talking Heads? Yeah, let's probably...

We do that. Have you really seen it that bad? 100,000 views, 80,000 likes? That's insane. Yeah, the second wind video I started tracking immediately after it got posted. And, like, I was looking at the like the like ratio on that. It was within the first hour. It had like 40,000 views and like nearly 40,000 likes. Like the ratio for it was just at the absolute top. They're lagging. And I think a couple other channels have mentioned that. I think Dark Viper mentioned that. I think somebody else did too. I saw someone mentioning that they encountered a situation where their internal dashboard

actually registered fewer views than the external view counter, which they said in like some number of, the big number of years of doing this they'd never seen. I've never seen it either. Normally our internal real-time view counter or even the non-real-time

internal view counter in the studio registers significantly more views than what's visible externally because I think whether it's more vetting or whether it's just not updating as frequently because of the load that that would put on the external platform, that view counter is not as accurate, supposedly, as the one that we have in our dashboards. Yeah, I spent the last week or two building a tool to kind of cross-check any channel from any time period, likes, comments, stuff like that. Everything is

consistent but the number. I don't think any of us are experiencing a lower viewer count or what's happening is we're being served to a smaller group of more engaged viewers. Because if the like count is consistent, but the like ratio is going like through the roof, I don't know. I don't know what it is. But what a view is has changed, in my opinion. Or is being tested to change. However, I have it from someone I would consider to be extraordinarily good authority that if that were happening, they'd know and they don't know about that. So, well, we're not getting less money. Yeah, so, I mean, all right, hurry on, boys!

It is a complicated question. That's a complicated conversation, though, because in the eyes of a sponsor, which I don't know if this has happened to us at all, but theoretically, for any creator on YouTube, if they're working with outside sponsors, in the eyes of, the sponsors, you're getting significantly less views. So if your theory is correct, and there's a bunch of theories, and we have no idea which one is correct, if your theory is correct and we're actually getting the same amount of views, then it's really screwing over our ability to work with outside sponsors, which will extremely negatively impact groups like us, which are like larger

companies that are quite heavily reliant on that sponsor money. Or hear me out, hear me out, maybe it won't matter that much because and here i'm gonna let me let me see if there's a let me see if there's a way for me to do this easily okay i'm going to try and show a one week view let's go from uh let's go from last friday to this thursday i'm going to kind of show you well oh man okay this is oh this is tough so what i was what i'm trying to do is show the at this interface. Okay, there. What do you do? I'm trying to bring up my Shopify dashboard. So the point that I'm trying

to make here is that yeah, this is not going to demonstrate very well because we actually typically have a Friday spike for Wancho and then it lulls and then it spikes again on Fridays so it's kind of cyclical. So it's going to look like it is going down. But day to day this week, or even

last week when we had the big viewership dip, there wasn't a reduction in sales on LTT store. So it's possible that the sponsors won't care because our referral rates might seem to Dan's point earlier like they're actually skyrocketing so we might have fewer views but way more qualified views or impressions or referrals yeah to me they're more high quality would would this change how we communicate to sponsors or are we already talking in a conversion rate sense i don't really

know the business side i don't think it would change anything at least not in the short medium term. I mean, we, a lot of the partners that we work with, we've worked with for a very long time through good times and through less good times. And, you know, we try to work with our partners in a, in a reasonable fashion where, hey, if they get a banger of a video that does six million views, we don't charge them extra for that. And in the same vein, when they get a dog that gets half a million views, you know, they don't come to us going like,

I want my money back, where's my money back? I think they understand that there's a certain amount of variability here. And if they stick with us, we've been such consistent performers on the platform for so long

that we kind of have to understand each other that it's going to come out in the wash. Eventually. Speaking of the wash, unless, Dan, did you have some more things you wanted to share with the folks? because otherwise we should probably discuss the sweater I'm wearing.

Yeah, I don't know. I think if people want to reach out and have me run their stats or if you have any more data for me, I would really appreciate that. Yeah, I guess try and find me and we'll have a look at your channel. Yeah, Blue Sky, Twitter, email me, I don't know. We'll figure it out. Product. Okay, yeah, let's do it.

I actually had brought up the, I had brought up, up one of the bigger Reddit threads on this and I was going to kind of dunk on people's theories a little bit but I guess it's probably not worth it. Yeah, everyone is wrong. Yeah, basically if you think you know the answer and that it's black and white, you're wrong. You are just wrong. You're just actually wrong. I have charts for that. You're wrong. Um, there's, there's just, there's so, get wrecked. Oh my God, there's so much certainty. There's so much certainty in this Reddit thread that is just utterly misplaced

you know well YouTube's video views have been going down for years I have it on extremely good authority that's not happening um I seriously don't that's true well okay oh one there is one theory is down a little bit from

COVID era but um you'd be you'd be surprised YouTube is going hard YouTube's going strong boys um I heard they're doing better on

shorts than TikTok is now, which is pretty nuts. There is one theory that we had actually discussed internally as well, and that's something I've got a bit of an update for you guys on. I think we touched on this last week where we felt that the channel was really being cluttered up by members-only videos.

So, we've had some internal discussions this week about just killing the memberships on YouTube. That may move forward. Right now, it is not confirmed. We'll definitely keep the ones that are just like emotes and and flares and stuff like that.

But the actual members-only videos, I think, may go back to being float-plane exclusive. However, YouTube has asked for sort of a little bit of time to figure out if there's something that they can do to keep us from just walking away from this feature. Because I think what I suspect, I don't know this for sure, but what I suspect is that we aren't the only ones complaining about the way that it's just embedded in the feed and potentially turning people off of our channel right now, when we turned memberships on, they weren't like this. There was a member's only videos like tab and kind of like a Patreon or float plane or any other kind of off platform service. You would drive people to memberships to that tab

yourself as a creator. You would control how you're calling it out and how you are how you're promoting it the way that it is now it just seems to be kind of shoved in the face of anyone who might have a passing interest in your channel and i think it's um it's really turning people off at the moment and that's something that you know no creator i don't think um if they aren't supremely arrogant um would be in a position where they they want to do you don't want to be turning people off of your channel. And not going to lie, and I honestly don't think this is like flow plane bias because I recommended and supported us, not recommended, but supported us putting, you were very supportive

of it. It has turned me away. This, like, YouTube exclusives being in the main feed has been very annoying for me as, as a YouTube enjoyer of not just our channel, but other people's channels as well. it is very annoying and it one of the big things that it does is it pushes me away from the individual channel and it it gives people i think it can give people a sense of fomo in a good way that converts them to become a member but i think it can give people a sense of fomo in a really bad way especially if that's not something that is part of their budget right now you know

like just because i think that our behind the scenes team is freaking awesome I think the content's really great. Sammy kills it. That doesn't mean that everyone should spend, you know, five or $10 a month to get it. Like, if that's not a manageable amount of money for you. I mean, Luke, I don't know if you want to talk about that indicator that you had that times have been pretty tough.

But we fully recognize that times are pretty tough out there. And the first thing that you should cut out is throwing money at your screen. if times are tough. I can talk about it. It's up to you, really. No, I'm okay with it. Yeah, sure. Yeah, go ahead.

Sorry. So something I've noticed, and it makes me sad, because I don't want this to be a situation that people are running into, to be completely honest. But something I've noticed is that we can check, mostly in Stripe. I'm sure it's possible in Braintree,

but Braintree's really annoying to use for anything. But we can check in Stripe what the error codes are that we're getting for failed payments. And you can look at those error codes over time. And the error code for insufficient funds is a line that is trending up as like percentage wise. The amount of failed payments that are because of insufficient funds is rising over time.

To the point where like there was one day in particular where there was a lot of cancellations that seemed like on the platform. And I was looking into why. and it didn't seem like there was a lot of manual cancellation, so I was like, oh, it's a lot of failed payments. And I looked into it, and it was just a actually somewhat stunning amount of insufficient funds. And, yeah, just like Klinna says, right? Like, it's, it's, I appreciate the code.

Is completely discreet from the, like, sorry, what's the other one, rejected or? Denied? Yeah, denied. Because denied could be for any reason. but the insufficient funds one is like for that reason actually there's some there's some backup for this in float plane chat hovership says i work in banking and this is sadly so true dude it's crazy and it like again i i i can't stress it enough i i love doing the flip plane stuff i i adore the flip plane team i want to be able to do float plane stuff basically forever i appreciate your guys

support i also don't want you going to insufficient funds on a credit card like oh man Man, it's just, it's so destructive to your life, um, to just carry credit card debt like that. Um, and, and, and you know, like, I, I can, I can hope that these are just like really, really low limit credit cards that people have, uh, or virtual cards. Low limit because of control or whatever. I, I, I can really hope that it's those things, but the volume of errors that we're getting indicates that it's not that. Um, yeah, uh, Firefighter 61, 22, and float plane chat says, I work in insurance, and we are seeing the same issues. Dude.

Oh, it's so rough. It's so uncomfortable. I, yeah, I appreciate your support. I don't want you in that situation. Yeah, 100%. The exclusives are there all the time. So you can come back and see them later. It's okay.

Yep. And I've said this to people before because we've taken some criticism for not having regional pricing, right? And I fully recognize that. you know, five U.S. dollars is not a reasonable monthly amount if you are in India or, you know, some parts of South America, for instance. But one of the things that I have said publicly is that maintaining the subscription is an amazing way of helping support our channel, our development team, the incredible work that our editors and Sammy do on the exclusive content, not to mention, you know,

other participants. We had a really great meet the team with Sammy, who, was featured on actually the last two scrapyard wars that just went up this week it's a great team and they they love getting your support and that really does come from the people who maintain their subscription monthly however if it is a financial burden on you that is that is not reasonable don't forget that float plane offers DRM free downloads we have that that is that was baked into the platform from day one well it's it's per creator no sorry It was baked into, the ability to set that up was baked into the platform from day one. We have had it enabled from day one.

We have zero intention of ever removing that. So you can always create for yourself a pay however much you want tier. You could subscribe one month a year. So you could get effectively, you could pay 8% for float plane. And then you could queue up the downloads for everything you missed over the last year, dump it all in a folder, and watch it at your leisure. We appreciate your support, but we do. not want to drain your bank account that's not what this is about yeah there is a rate limit on it

yes cwp but over the span of a month i think you should be able to grab everything that was yeah there's um there's like uh i haven't looked into it in in a bit but there's like a a github thing for for a script for plex that will download it like just right below the rate limit and stuff like that we had to do the rate limit thing because people were kind of abusing it And so it's just like, this is why we can't have nice things. But we are not out to put you guys in financial straits. Okay. I think, oh, yeah, Dan, was there anything else you wanted to share with the people?

I'm not sure. I think it's still developing. I would love other channels, get their names, if they want charts, if we can cross-reference data, if we can figure out what's going on. It's about it. All right. Cool. Why don't we move on to... And everyone's wrong. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. That's about it. Including us.

Yeah. Yes. But not for long, if I have anything to say about it. Oh, my God. Dan's putting the paper on. Ah, yes, I'm supposed to explain the merch of messages. So, once again, can't emphasize this enough. if cash is tight hey

wear your existing sweater for another little while okay but if it's not check this out our washed crew neck sweater just launched last week and I gotta tell you people around the office

are absolutely loving these they're made with 100% cotton with a breathable terry fleece interior that is perfect for the fall and you can get them at at lmg.ggg slash crewneck also

oh look this we have a deal on magnetic cable management this week you can oh wait i was supposed to explain merch messages right so the way to interact with the show we've never been really that supportive of the idea of just throwing money at the screen we kind of feel that you should get something in return why not some quality merchandise so all you've got to do to send a merch message to interact with the show and send a little message there or um get a response from producer dan or have him curate it for me and luke to discuss later on during after dark is add something to your cart on l ttt store.com like the new washed creneck sweater or the magnetic

cable management deal i'm about to tell you about fill in the merch message field go ahead and place your ordle ordle and it should go through uh we'll show you guys how it works in a second but first i'm just going to tell you about the magnetic cable management deal we have this week You can mix and match packs of individual components and get 10% off if you buy two, 15% off if you buy three, 20% off if you buy four, and 25% off if you buy five or more. This includes all arches, power bar keys, power brick holders, and cable tie holders.

So it's the perfect time to add on to the magnetic cable management you already have or to try it out if you've never tried it before. You can shop magnetic cable management at elmg.g.g.g slash MCM. And it really is, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, there we go. It really is this easy. We actually did a collab with Kyle from Bitwit last week, and he hadn't tried out MCM. And I cable managed his desk for him with it, and he was like, oh. And I was like, yeah, and the best part is, hey, that cable that we forgot to put in.

Easy. Easy. Easy. It's definitely the best part. Easy. Fucking magnets. I don't even care how they work, but my God, are they ever. outstanding um oh yeah right so one of the things that i've been going out of my way to make sure

that i show you fine folks is giving some credit to the team for the amazing job that they've been doing on our photo shoots lately absolutely love it so cool got that like vintage look to it ariana and rice i think yep that's who we're looking at here sorry i got a very very small very small picture up there very cool and really making the most of the side of our warehouse great job guys

all right Dan do you want to show the folks how a merge message works yeah sure I've got a couple for you here why don't we start with this one I only wear jeans when jeans oh my god how do I put this never jeans are so hard dude and i can't afford sydney to wear my jeans you know apparently that was like

their most successful campaign like ever sure yeah you should just recreate the ad with yourself oh my god yeah if we had jeans i would totally do it i i wish we did more like meming on on topical things like I was I wanted to talk to the writing team this week and do like a like a bit in one of our videos where I like steal a hat or something. I don't know if you saw the viral thing from the yeah yeah from the from the U.S. Open. But we just we operate on a relatively, I think South Park has a shorter time between starting to work on an episode and it airing than we do. So it's hard for us to be like on it with.

the cultural references it's maybe not a great thing look I'm not saying it's a good thing I'm just saying it's a thing so it's a little tough for us to do that kind of stuff I forget how we got onto this right jeans yeah jeans are so

personal everything from the rise to the cut to the washedness to the rips or not rips to patches to and the trendiness it goes so freaking fast

I think it's just not in the cards for us I mean look we have managed to finally do pants successfully I don't think we had a successful pant until the cargo pants that's been legitimately

successful not just like it did fine I guess we didn't lose money on it right that was the high water mark before but we now have pants that have been successful so who knows You know, never say never, but never.

And the other one I've got for you here. Hello, the lad, the dad, and the chat. Luke, given your based opinions on supporting AMD and switching to Linux, what are some of your favorite pieces of software? Anything that you find novel or useful? Hmm. Wow. Is this incredibly lame?

Well, he thinks, oh, okay, are you good? I don't think I necessarily have one. A lot of the software that I use is actually the same, which is one of the reasons why I think the Switch has been so easy. Like, if I want to play a game on my laptop, I can just play the vast majority of Steam games, and it's fine. I use Chrome for work. I use Zen, which is like a Firefox offshoot browser

for personal stuff. On my laptop, most of what I'm doing is communications platforms, which Teams is terrible on Linux, but it works. It's terrible all the time, so it's really hard to differentiate it that much.

Slack works perfectly fine. Discord works perfectly fine. Obviously, email and a browser works perfectly fine. So the things that I do on my laptop are fairly limited, and they're all the same. Outside of that,

I haven't dove in super heavily on the customization stuff, which I want to do. I just haven't necessarily had the time for it yet. I feel like this is such a similar take to what I went through when I did the switch to Snapdragon, where I went in thinking that I was going to care, and over the span of the much more than a month, I ended up daily driving it, I was like, oh, it turns out I don't care. And most of what I do is in a browser these days, I could just as easily probably use ChromeOS. But that, in my opinion, is honestly, like, a better state. Like, I'm more excited about the fact that I just kind of, like, shrug off that I'm running it now than, um,

I run arch, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, but the, but the fact that that is actually totally fine is crazy. Like, it's, it was not, there was no skill involved. I'm not some like, Uber Linux nerd at all, but I'm running the like scary operating system and it's been completely fine the entire time and everything I've tried to do has just like worked. There's been things that have honestly been easier. You know how when we did the challenge? We were both like stunned at how easy the printer was. Yeah. Yeah. Especially considering how hard they are on Windows. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, most things I've ran into this time have been easier or or it's just been in kind of like an inverse to normal fashion it's been less annoying um like using windows 11 these days is there's so many little pop-ups and pokes and annoying let are you sure you don't want to use edge oh dude this new file you installed are you sure we can't open it an edge do you want this weird notification thing do you want this other garbage like anytime i try to do anything it it wants to forcibly take the focus window away to some new thing that i

don't want. And then it just keeps doing that over and over again. It's really, really frustrating. Windows Firewall randomly started blocking land Minecraft games. Just like out of nowhere. Like it was working fine between my kids' computers. And then all of a sudden, it's not. And I'm like, oh my God, who cares? I'm sure it was in the name of security or something. But oh my God, who cares? I'm just trying to play a video game on a local area network. And they're both set to private... That's made by you. That's made by you!

Exactly! Exactly! What's the excuse? Dude, there's been a persistent bug in Halo Infinite for at least a couple weeks now. That's as long as I've seen it over. Where the first time you launch it on a system, it prompts you to log in, but the login is behind. And you can click and it'll be like, ding, do you can tell it's there, but you have to

alt-f for the game and then launch the game again and then it'll show up. And it's like, bro. this is basic if you can't handle having a login screen in your software then don't have one also by the way never log me out oh my god who cares never log me out but also if i'm if i'm like a global Microsoft account logged in to my computer already don't ask right like my god so anyways it's been interesting and then when i click yes be like okay Yeah. I don't remember if it was after the last Linux challenge. I think it was, but I don't fully remember where I decided I would like try it on my work laptop. And then eventually I abandoned that because there was so much tedium of like keeping it running that I thought it was lowering, even if by a small amount, it was lowering my productivity at work. And I decided that I couldn't do a like personal thing that resulted in the lowering of my work productivity, if that makes sense. It's like one of the main reasons why I use Chrome for, work is because of all the different profiles that I have, I find Chrome is by far best at managing that. It's not the small individual day-to-day usage of the browser. It's purely just the profile management is like amazing and it kicks the butt of everything else. And profile management

doesn't matter to me too much for my personal stuff because it's one account. So it sort of solves itself. But yeah, I eventually ditched running Linux on my work laptop because it was too tedious. And honestly, legitimately, at this point, I suspect that I might be more productive on Linux because of the amount of time that it just gets out of my way. I think if we redo the Linux challenge, it's just going to be boring. It might be. Legitimately, it might be. We'll have to, like, we'll have to really pad it out to get, you know, a 12-minute runtime or a nine-minute runtime out of just like, yeah, everything kind of went okay. Well, and like something that might be a little bit different is I'm running Linux on my laptop, which is a lot lighter.

use and again it's a lot of browser stuff and whatnot but like also don't game as much as you used to like i remember that being a big challenge for you last time we did the linx challenge as you were like oh this sucks because like games came out and i couldn't play if we do it once battlefield six is out hopefully i'll be playing some more of that um yeah is it supported on steem-lose i don't know and like silksong is here i'm excited for that there's some games coming right now that are exciting um Silk Song, I'm pretty sure it's for it, yeah. But, yeah, it's interesting. I have something to add to Luke's, you know,

softwares that he likes. We do have an actual series on the channel called LSD or Luke's Software Discoveries. Two whole episodes from 11 and 10 years ago, respectively. He shows you how to simplify your screenshots with push. I don't know if push even exists anymore. so I don't know, sharex, I guess. And also, top five hidden uses for VLC, Luke Software Discovery's episode two.

Wow, that one actually did, like, pretty good for that era. Half a million views. Not bad. That's not too bad, yeah. Because if I remember correctly, Luke Software Discoveries never went, like, that well either. So that considered, I think that video must have done pretty well. Imagine being proud of having a Gilden T-shirt partnership. Wow.

Who, times of change. Yeah, good job. But I don't know. The final takeaway is honestly at this point in time, I think if I move my laptop back to Windows, there would be more TDM involved with keeping it up to date, dealing with its updates, dealing with Windows getting in my way, popping things up, shoving ads in my face, doing those types of things, then Linux is general just getting out of my way. I've also found that, like, updating Arch is this big scary thing, and then you install

it and it's so far for me been like just as easier easier than windows update um dude windows update is so annoying like you click check for updates and it's like no updates and then you click it again two seconds later it's like here's a gigantic like service pack level update it's like bro just why why isn't this downloaded already like you know i've only been doing this for a few months like i'm sure i'll run into something that sucks eventually but um i also just have my data whatever small amount of data that i have stored on an extra partition and if I need to reinstall arch I can just do that. According to Crystal push does still exist and they do technically still have a page up

but now just hold on a gosh darn second here. Download Windows XP to 8 and download iPhone App Store literally doesn't connect to anything so I I don't know. Yeah I think we can move on to share X or honestly these days just snipping tool and pasting the image somewhere tends to work. Most chat applications can take attachments now, so... Okay. Not a super necessary tool anymore. Want to do another topic?

What do you want to talk about? What are we got here? What was another one of the title topics? Have we gone through? Not title topics. The Intel Battlemage one? We could do that. Oh, boy.

Sure. You sound so excited. I mean, it is legitimate. pretty cool. It's legitimately cool. The dual-slot, low-profile arc pro B-50 has an MSRP of $349. A slight increase from the 299 they mentioned at Computex earlier this year, which Intel blames on a combination of memory pricing and tariff risks, which, to be completely honest, sounds actually fair. I don't know. The B-50 features 16 x2 cores, 16 gigabytes of Gddr6, memory bandwidth of 224 gigabytes per second, PCI 5.08X interface, four mini

display ports, all at a TDP of just 70 watts, allowing it to be powered entirely by the PCI slot, which is a feature in this case that will be cared about. Yeah, how much the rest of this people care about? Apparently the B50 performed favorably next to the $400 NVIDIA-R-TX A-108 gig, which was an appear 2024 release. But it has double the memory, which is pretty cool that Intel's not cheaping out

on memory, because that's apparently something we can't take for granted these days. It's especially pretty cool right now, considering a lot of the applications that you're going to want to use, keep use for, are actually very heavily memory bound. SRIOV is also a very cool feature to support. So essentially,

this allows it to be split up virtualization style, like a CPC. and shared across multiple VMs if you don't really need, you know, high-end 3D performance. Serve the Home did some initial tests, and it's apparently pretty flippin decent. Also, it could be the cheapest way to get AV1 encoding in a small form factor case because it's a dual slot, low profile. So Intel continues to do some super cool stuff on the GPU side. Just want to shout out that the B580 is a heck of a lot of gaming GPU for $260 in stock across multiple skews. This is two skews in stock, $260 and $270 on New Egg.

You, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a second. Get Battlefield 6 and more with purchase. What is that? Is that real? Before we dive into that, I just want to say this before I forget. John Doyren from the lab just messaged me and said that the B580 can also game. It's not the best, but at 75 watts.

It's actually not bad, which is really interesting. B-50, B-580 is the... Did I say 580? Sorry, yeah, yeah. B-50. He said B-50. I read it wrong. That's my opinion. Hold on. Is this deal real? I'm not sure what you're seeing.

I'm on New Egg right now, and it says you get Battlefield... Hold on. Hold on. Where is it? Did I, did I, did I imagine it? Am I, am I crazy? This just says free, free 3D mark test. Oh, it says additional items until Gamer Days bundle. Holy crap.

You get Battlefield 6 with an arc? From August 25th to September 14th. That's actually, what's the value of a base version Battlefield 6? Like, what does that make the cost of the card if you were going to buy Battlefield 6? Redemption URL until Gamer Days offer $70. Is that like a $120 B580, basically? That's crazy. That's actually nuts.

How much is Battlefield 6 in USDA? It's $70 U.S. dollars, apparently. Whoa. And yet, in spite of us pointing out that you can get a heck of a lot of a GPU from someone other than Team Green, Nvidia is, I think, at all-time high market. share? Did that come out this week? Yeah.

Here we go. This is from Tom's hardware published three days ago. Nvidia dominates GPU shipments with 94% share. 94% guys, I get it. Okay?

The cool thing to do is to root for AMD and Intel to survive in the GPU space so that you can get a cheaper Nvidia card because they have competitors but if nobody buys these other products even when they are legitimately

good like that B580 for flipping under $200 if you were going to buy Battlefield 6 that is a fucking insane value right now dude it's close to $100 if you're going to buy Battlefield 6

go buy a stupid 5060 go be a sheep Buy a 50-60. Basically, if you're not getting the word out about there being other options, you have no one to blame but yourself when Nvidia prices their cards like the actual monopoly

that they are. 94% is an actual monopoly. Yeah. That is nuts. like there's laws around effective monopoly right i mean i don't think anyone's going to protect gamers right like the thing is that a lot of the a lot of anti-monopoly laws are designed to protect people from being exploited

right so when there's a monopoly on on food production That's really bad. You know, when there's monopolistic behavior in financial services, that's really, really, really bad. Or insurance, you know, things that people need. I don't think you're going to get a consumer watchdog coming in and going, hey, these entirely optional video gaming accessories, these are too expensive. It's not going to happen. And as much as that impacts us as people who are, you know, technical. enthusiast and gamers.

I don't think even the most stalwart of gamers is going to make a straight-faced argument that it's somehow as important as food or shelter or water, transportation, right? Like it's... I think it just kind of is what it is.

Yeah. That makes sense. It's unfortunate, but it makes sense. That I I'm still a little bit stuck on that Intel deal. I know, right? Is that worth a video? I mean,

like the cheapest BF6 PC and you include that bundle because it's just like so insane? Um, I mean, that's not a bad idea, yeah. Because that is one of probably the craziest GPU bundles

I think I've ever seen, literally ever. Not, I wouldn't say ever back, like a GTX-4 60 had some bundles where it came with like like i think metro exodus or something like that um and that was like a very affordable GPU there have been times uh back when amd and invidia were like really at each other's throats competing legitimately actually competing uh where you'd buy a card and

you'd get like three or four games with it and stuff i remember that yeah that hasn't really been a thing for a very long time i don't remember that not to dog on the games, but I don't remember them being like massive, extremely important multiplayer titles. I mean, you know, Orange Box came for free with a GPU that I bought. So like, no, there's

deals. How expensive was that GPU though? There's been deals. I don't know. I'm 250, 300 bucks. Remember, back then that was like a pretty high-end card though, but still there's definitely been, there's been deals. but this is probably the best one that I can remember seeing in a while where there's an actually hotly anticipated actually AAA looking game

that comes with a $260 GPU that's pretty outstanding Dan do you want to actually send that video idea to me can you just throw that in my inbox real quick and then I'll follow it up next week I don't know that we'd be able to execute on this in time I wasn't listening basically cheapest Battlefield 6 PC

got it yeah thanks it'd be great if we could get early access to the game so we could actually validate that it runs really good but I don't do we have contacts potentially figure that out I have one yeah if you know someone then that would go a long way because I the last thing I would want to do is just go off the you know the recommended specs on the box

because you know it's not necessarily the best and we would have kind of our own standards and our own thoughts on you know what we feel is a really playable PC and we want to make sure that we get the CPU and especially memory. A lot of discourse on sort of how much memory is enough for gaming these days. You know, some people are saying 16 gigs is still enough. I was talking to Ploof today because we were shooting a video at my house with the world's biggest TV.

We got High Sense's new 1-16-inch. Oh my God, guys, don't miss this video. This thing's incredible. Anyway, the point is he was saying 32 gigs isn't enough for him anymore because he's a person like you, Luke, who's late for the lobby because he has two games running anyway so he'll often have multiple games running plus a bunch of Chrome tabs plus his voice comms and he's like yeah I'm like I often run out of RAM

and I'll get like warning messages with 32 gigs so I kind of need to go 64 so there's a wide range of what people consider to be enough RAM for gaming and so we'd want to make sure that we are you know validating that before we recommend a minimum spec that realistically is very minimum and you're not going to be happy with right yeah i i don't know that i can get us early access but i know a really good person to ask basically okay all right well yeah well we'll we'll see what we can do maybe we'll we'll chase it down next week and i don't even know if we'd be able to execute it in time because this deal expires and like by monday it will be oh my god

where's my calendar just let the calendar behave like i expected to when was the end date Yeah, by Monday we will have, I think it was the 14th or something, we'll have like less than a week, so I don't know if we're going to get it done in time. Besides, now that we've flagged this deal on WAN show, they might all just sell out anyway, so it might be too late. I mean, I can't imagine that Intel has literally zero percent market share. They didn't even show up on the 90, it said, Nvidia had 94 percent, this is from Tom's hardware, Nvidia had 94 percent, AMD had 6 percent, and Intel literally didn't even show up. So I got to imagine that new Egg is not stocking that many Azrock Challenger Ark B-580s. What are the 20 in stock? 30, I don't know. It can't be that many. All right.

What do you want to talk about next? Oh, you know what? Actually, I'm going to pick something. Before we do our sponsors, we have an update to the Roblox Child Predators story. This is Elijah posted this in here. Two weeks ago, we talked about how YouTuber Shlep, known for taking down

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I do know that some law YouTubers have been known to kind of, or not even law YouTubers, but some YouTubers have been known to kind of file performative lawsuits but not actually follow through on them. So I don't know much about him, but it is something that has happened. Conveniently, Roblox also announced they are getting an ESRB age rating system for games within Roblox.

and by the end of the year, all users who want to use communications features have to have their age estimated by the platform in order to confirm they are over nine years old. Okay, Roblox, this is yet another case of taking action, but like, what? Is nine really old enough to be the minimum age to chat with randoms? What are you doing about the adults that are talking to the nine-year-olds? That's the concern. and I don't care if a bunch of six-year-olds are talking to each other. That ain't the issue, buddy. Roblox throws me off, man.

There's this situation. There's the, like, incredible amount of effectively IP theft that happens on the platform that just seems to go completely unchecked. Like, something about it, I don't like. I haven't actually used it enough to speak to it, properly, but from the outside, it seems like not a, not a place that I'm happy about. Got a couple people in Float Plain Chat saying Law by Mike is a legit lawyer. I'm more so than a YouTuber, so okay, that's good to know.

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foreign buyers. If the amendment sticks, Nvidia and AMD could not apply for a GPU export license so long as United States entities are waiting and unable to acquire those same chips. Okay, so basically until Meta

and Twitter have as many, sorry, XAI, excuse me, have as many GPUs as they could possibly want, also Microsoft, nobody else can have literally any in terms of like how these companies would have allocate their production.

It's really... Apparently, it also applies to China-specific models like the H-20. It's very, it's very, it's very interesting how the free market has become not very free market at all. It's kind of remarkable how fast it happened, hey? it's like we're just going to take a stake in Intel we're going to say yeah you can't ship products offshore even though they were actually

most of them produced offshore you can't ship those products off American shores until America's shores are full of all the GPUs in response invidia tweeted that selling the H20 has no impact on our ability to supply other Nvidia products and they compared the amendment to the Biden administration's now rescinded AI diffusion rule, which NVIDIA says was based on Dumer science fiction. To be clear, I think there's...

Invidia officially saying Dumer is hilarious. I think we have to admit that really quick. I mean, this is, this is the same company that literally called their software GF experience. So like, that's fair. Nothing surprises me when it comes to a... invidia they clearly have they clearly and look i realize this is the pot calling the kettle black but they clearly have never outgrown their college bro sense of humor like let's be real let's be yeah i for sure neither did we but still yeah i i'm owning it i'm owning it yeah you know i i i would admit it 69 times and i would say nice every time okay yeah yeah yeah discussion here we don't actually have a discussion question in the doc but i got to say man this is

it's tough it's another thing that in my opinion seems to just be honestly the real effect of this is the dramatic promotion of GPU development and just general compute uh development and manufacturing and research that's going to be done within china all of these things are We might be better off for the next extremely short period of time and we will be significantly deeply worse off in the future. If you wanted to have, you know, better control of this technology being basically the only company that anyone goes to for this stuff would probably be the way to do it. And that's how things were for quite a long time. And you are repeatedly telling China and all of your Chinese customers that they are going to have to find a domestic solution. they are going to need to invest very significantly in a domestic solution in order to

stay competitive. And if you don't think they're going to do so, you're just stupid. Tell us how you really feel, Luke. Hey, in other breaking news, this was just posted in chat by David Kane. Google was just hit with a 3.45 billion EU antitrust fine over their ad tech practices. And this is in the same week that a U.S. judge said, Um, yeah, you guys are a monopoly, but also, you know what, forget it. You're not really going to do anything about it.

You can keep Chrome and you can keep Android and we're not going to do anything to break you up because, like, AI seems pretty important and stuff. Um, so Google's getting some super mixed messages here, but, wow. Oh, in other news, hold on. Um, Trump calls the EU fine unfair and threatens. retaliation. I feel like you could just kind of put that under any article. Anyway, Google plans to appeal. You could probably put that under any article about Google.

And the EU warns of stronger remedies if Google fails to comply. Whew. Oh, yeah, good luck, everybody. So on the one hand, Google... The next war is an economic one. Yeah.

The next war is realizing that you're already in the information war and the economic war not to mention the various other more traditional but now proxy wars and all the various other types of of wars that are that are ongoing it is moon pies what a time to be alive man yeah um oh man how'd we miss this apparently ora ura oura is suing other smart ring manufacturers? Yeah, that doesn't really... I thought they also got like a defense contract

or something crazy. Yeah, did they? Let me see. Sorry, guys, this is very much just like people in float plane dumping topics into the chat and us looking at them there. We have done absolutely no prep on these. This is old, apparently.

Oh, hey, you know what we have? have done some prep on. Do you want to talk about Valve's new VR hardware right on the eve of the arrival of your new VR headset that you spent over a thousand U.S. dollars on? Is that something that you'd like to talk about, Luke? Not really.

Why don't we talk about it anyway? I mean, I'm still very excited about my big screen be on, but... Has it arrived yet? Yes, but it arrived the day that I left. So I never even got to see it. Nice. I've actually been using mine a bit lately.

and it's as great as I represented to you. In fact, it's better because I got my fixed one back and it is very much actually fixed. So I'm not having tracking issues with the wands and I'm super stoked. It looks so good. And Valve has a new one. Valve has applied for a trademark on the term steam frame

and between the content of the filings and some heavy-duty data mining by Brad Lynch, sadly it's bradley on twitter it looks like new vr hardware might soon be officially announced by valve data mining of the latest steam vr beta has revealed that valve is appearing to be working on a rebranding of steam vr overlays to frames and brad lynch also speculates that the official name of the rumored deckered headset will be the steam frame with the major selling point being its spatial gaming capabilities. Lynch also noted that the Roy VR controllers are no longer marked as prototypes in the Steam VR drivers and that drivers are now finished for a SteamLink VR USB

dongle using Wi-Fi 6E slash 6 gigahertz. So what this probably looks like based on that every rumor I've seen about Deckard indicates that it's going to be inside out tracking with onboard processing. What this seems to add up to is an inside-out with built-in compute VR headset, more akin to what we've seen from the MetaQuest lineup or Apple Vision Pro lineup, but if the 6 gigahertz dongle is anything to go by with the capability of wirelessly linking to your PC for high-fidelity PC gaming. What remains to be seen is what the resolution Valve is going to be able to push is going to be because I'm not aware of a wireless interface

that can reliably and consistently match a wired interface for displays yet. And if anything, even the fastest display links these days are not enough for what I was hoping would be the future of high-fidelity PCVR. I have kind of out of the side of my eyes been sort of watching the rumors around Decker

and kind of just hoping and hoping and hoping that maybe it's not the whole story because I really wanted a second gen or I guess third gen. I wanted another generation of Lighthouse for the third-party ecosystem of VR headsets that has sprung up around Steam VR and SteamVR 2.0, but it looks like maybe that's just going to be dead?

I don't know. We'll have to see it. The rumors seem pretty strong, but it is technically still rumor mill. Yeah, it does seem like the evidence is really stacking up that Deckard is going to be a standalone headset and that this whole ecosystem of outside in tracking is just going to be kind of stuck where it is today with, what is it? It's not. 90 refreshes per second for the lighthouses, I think? That sounds right. I don't know. I think they're 90 hertz. VR base station, blah, blah, blah.

Well, the base stations themselves are not. How often do they refresh you guys? Someone's got to know. Lighthouse tracking 2.0 with alternating brainware. 75 slash 90 hertz, 150 slash 180 with alternating eye brain warp. rendering. Now, to be clear, that's not the only data input. There's also a built-in accelerometer slash gyro in the controllers themselves. And so the lighthouses are, from my understanding, in order to make sure that they don't drift off course. But still, I really hoped that

large scale outside in would continue to be a thing. I do understand why it's not a thing, because who has the space for it who's going to go and wire 12 volt power into their ceiling so that they can have a stealthy install of a bunch of base stations who's going to get four of them so that they never have any occlusion even when they have an extremely large

play area basically me and only me and so fine I get it but hopefully Valve has taken their I mean they've clearly taken their time and hopefully they've cooked up something absolutely fire and I'm going to absolutely love the frame or Deckerd or whatever they ultimately end up calling it.

Either way, Luke, I don't think you're going to be disappointed with your big screen beyond because... No, I'm excited. If there is any onboard compute in Deckard, then there's absolutely no way that it's going to be light, period. I mean, Apple, for all their billions of dollars of R&D, not to be clear, not all of which went into the Vision Pro, but, you know, some of it did. couldn't figure out how to make an on-device compute

VR headset, you know, not freaking heavy. So I don't think Valve is going to crack that nut just right now. Yeah, I'm also just like, I don't know, you can't always time everything perfectly. And even if I could, I feel like I still would have gone with the big screen beyond. Yeah, it's very readable. It's a product that I'm happy to support. And honestly, I'm just really excited to get it.

So I don't know. says what's the current state of using VR for productivity? I got to say I never got into it. I tried it when I did my Apple Vision Pro review and there were things about it that were compelling. But wearing something on my face for such an extended period of time for the workday, especially working in office where I frequently interact

with other fellow humans, it's just not feasible. It's not viable for me. I still know people, not even just person, I still know people that use it for what was kind of probably the most logical use case, I think, for the Apple Vision Pro, which was like work while traveling, and they still seem to find a lot of success from it, which is cool. And yet I have, I'm basically back to traveling now. I've been traveling a fair bit, and I've seen exactly zero vision pros on the road. So that's clearly a niche use case.

I mean, compared to when it first came out, I mean, I would love to see the numbers for this. What percentage, because Apple has a no questions asked, is it 14 day or 30 day? Can't remember. But Apple has a no questions asked return policy, which for electronics these days. By the way.

Yeah. Like, what percentage of vision pros that were purchased have been returned? because they were flipping everywhere for two weeks. And then radio silence. Gone. Wiped off the face of the earth. You know how practically every single pole is, like, corrupted in some way?

Yeah. It would be cool to have an actual real poll of, like, hey, did you buy one? And if you bought it, do you still use it in any capacity at all? Apple Vision dust collector Yeah Big time All right Do we have any other

Headline topics Oh crap I screwed it up again Sammy's going to kill me I haven't done the float plane announcement I was supposed to do it before sponsors Frickin okay Look Sammy

If you want it right before the sponsors Then why don't you put it right before the sponsors it's separated by like six topics that that's on me they keep overriding it and have to add it back in manually i'll put it down there in future after intense competition and almost getting scammed multiple times um the finale of scrapyard wars 10 is ready to be released for early access on float plane alongside the extras today uh i have a thing here that says link hoffman to provide to dan during show uh do do we have it you do we have it you yet is it no don't do the flow plane announcement just yet oh uh okay we will let you know later when

it goes live later today all right why don't we give a little more information on the thing that i was talking about earlier where google dodged the harsh antitrust ruling the same judge who last august ruled that google broke u.s competition laws has effectively decided not to do very much about it Judge Amit Mettah called Google an overbearing illegal monopoly back then, but now says that the emergence of generative AI has changed the landscape. The ruling states that Google must share access to user-side data, so things like search index and user interaction data, with qualified competitors but does not have to share advertising data.

Google doesn't have to divest of Chrome or Android. Google can continue to pay Apple and Mozilla to place Google search and Safari and Firefox, respectively. Oh, really? Earlier this year, Mozilla's CEO warned that cutting Google's search subsidy could ultimately put Firefox out of business. This ruling also requires Google to stop entering into exclusive deals that make Google the default search on mobile devices

and to submit to six years of regulatory oversight. The DOJ is expected to appeal this ruling. So basically what we've learned is that once again, in America, you can do basically whatever it takes. to get on top and the only thing that you will ever have to do as penance for that is say you're sorry maybe have a little bit of oversight and maybe pay a token fine good job you can always become too big to fail that is that is always an option yep yep do whatever it takes to become so big that it would cause the failure of other things if you

were punished for your ill-gotten gains. Yeah. Nipus Cage says, that's it. I'm calling shenanigans. Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Hey, you wanted to talk about how Silk Song crashed all the stores?

Yeah, so did it actually crash steam? I think it was just slow. Okay. I'm even surprised at that, to be honest. People couldn't check out. Jugg or not. Wow.

Like the payment system failed. dude it's the highly anticipated sequel to hollow night silk song is already setting records in spite of causing major hiccups for virtually all of its launch platforms silk song has already recorded more than a hundred thousand concurrent players on steam in spite of heavy traffic crashing the game's steam page for several hours wow that's nuts the first hollow night's peak concurrent player count was the first hollow night is 72, 916 I IGN reported also running into trouble when trying to buy the game on the Nintendo E-Store, PlayStation store, and Xbox. Silk Song is also a day one GamePass title, but GamePass subscribers reported trouble downloading the title on the Xbox app and consoles. Wow. That's actually kind of nuts. Yeah, no, I saw this in the dock, and while it's interesting that it took all those stores down, And I also just think it's cool that there's a game that people are really excited about coming out

because that doesn't happen that often lately. And with Battlefield 6 sounding very positive so far in its pre-release work and Silksong coming out, I wonder what is what is like the Steam ratings for Silksong right now? Overwhelmingly positive. It's pretty good. Yeah, I'm not too surprised, but they definitely took their time. I'm I'm shocked that given it was the most wishlisted game on the platform, if I recall correctly on Steam, that they only, they went with 20 bucks for their price. Because you can always discount it to 20 bucks later, but it seems like they've just gone the, hey, yeah, it's 20 bucks, you know, we might discount it at some point, but we're just going to go the rate gamers are going to pay and here you go.

you got to respect it you got to respect it i can't say that i would have had the discipline to do the same thing Luke if you had the most wishlisted game on steam would you go 20 bucks um honestly

i think it depends a lot on the team that i have and if i'm the team making silk song i think so yeah as far as my understanding goes they're pretty small they're already like incredibly ball in from the original hollow night um i think you know that this price tag is probably not going to piss people off too much i don't even think 2499 or 2999 would have made people too upset no 20 bucks is dude 20 bucks like that's like two coffees these days seriously what's kind of interesting to me is that um it's you said it's overwhelmed only positive on your end?

Yeah. It's just very positive on mine. Really? I mean, I looked earlier, so I haven't looked in a couple of hours. Interesting. Oh, yeah, I see very positive now, too. Interesting. I'm wondering if this has crashed into, like, it was so hyped that even if it's absolutely fantastic,

I wonder if people's expectations were just unfathomed. high. It's rare that I've seen this much hype for a game, like ever, to be honest. I mean, if it's crashing every single store that it's on, you can imagine the amount of different people that are jumping in. Yeah. And if it has a higher concurrent player count than the original ever had already, and it's so hyped, you might be getting people who just, frankly, aren't that into Metroidvania as playing this game and going, I don't get it. Which, I have to admit I tried

twice to get into Hollow Night twice I tried twice I failed I think I have like three or four hours in it and I just kind of got bored

and didn't keep playing and yeah Metroid Vinias aren't my kind of game I never really got into Hollow Night either and I haven't been like overhyped

about Silk Song I might check it out it seems like it's pretty well positioned price-wise, so it's pretty likely that I'll check it out at some point. But, like, yeah, I don't know. It's crazy that it's been out for as little time as it has been, and it has 24,000 reviews already. Like, my God.

So honestly, I think this is very likely, realistically, more on the overwhelmingly positive side of things, but it's just being reviewed, like you said, by a ton of people that probably aren't actually super into the game, just heard the hype, bought in, and then maybe don't like the genre necessarily more than the game itself. There's that quote from the Helldivers developers that I've just always really, really liked,

which is a game made for everyone is a game made for no one. Yeah. And when you hit this level of popularity, some of the negative reviews might be just because it was a game that wasn't made for you. Okay, this is cool. Check this out. What's up?

You can actually see the rating in every language because of that new filtering feature. So English is now very positive. I believe was overwhelmingly positive earlier today. We talked about that on the Man-R-Show. Chinese. Not that into it. 11,000 reviews. so that is the second biggest language market for this game and they're like oh my god so the 24,000

reviews is only in English there's so many more than that yeah 60,000 wow that's crazy um the latin world flippin loves it loves it is part of that that uh a lot of these a lot of these uh i know that Brazil in particular is heavily tariffed and computers tend to not be as high performance for the average gamer is part of that just having a brand new game that is super super hype that runs great on your machine like do you think

there's just a little bit of excitement about that potentially? That might be part of it might be part of it. I'm just like I'm just guessing you know why do the Turks love it? The Poles, they love it the Poles they love Sil Song they just love it the Koreans yeah they're kind of positive, along with the French and

the Germans. The Italians are very positive. Ukrainians. Yeah, we're pretty positive on this too. Apparently, I lost the comment, but apparently the Chinese language translation was like super botched on lunch. I don't know if that means they won't ever fix it,

but yeah, I can't find the comment, but apparently that was the thing apparently it's very cheap in Mexico so they probably did some some very focused localized pricing I wanted to go I wanted to go check out what the breakdown was for tape to tape but it turns out that they do not have enough reviews to trigger a language specific review score there's all languages and your languages and uh yeah wait they're different though

i know i'm not quite sure what that means that's kind of weird yeah interesting anywho moving on it took 15 years but instagram

is finally available for ipad and this this was the best they could do Holy actual fuck That's all I have to say I can't No I can say more Look at all this blet

You're a photos app Supposedly What is all of this Blank space? What the heck? What are you even doing? just don't even bother then why'd they do it in landscape as well

well because it's an iPad you gotta be able to landscape but like oh my god this is the best you could do this is very odd I don't really understand parallelogram says what's wrong with blank space it made Taylor Swift millions thank you float plane chat

I love that you guys are there for me to make me feel better about my jokes Is that a song? No, oh blank space, yes Okay Um Okay, this is something

Robot vacuums level up Literally Ufi has created a robot vacuum That goes up the stairs Sort of That's definitely the brand I would want that from Here we go That's a joke

Yeah, I know right Ufi shows off the new Mars Walker is a shell that allows compatible robot vacuums to dock themselves and get carried up flights of stairs what the only vacuum right now that will be compatible is the Omni S2 scheduled to launch in January 2026 for 1600

US dollars the Mars Walker attachment has no price yet but is an add-on and also doesn't clean the stairs it just goes up them. Yeah. I mean, I, sure. That's another one that I really just don't think I have that much to say about.

Wait, hold on. The look on your face kind of says it all, doesn't it? No, I'm just a little bit confused by the writing. Because, like, it says the only vacuum compatible is the Omni S2 scheduled launch in January 26 for $1,600 U.S. dollars. And then it says, for this price point, is it even worth? buying a robot vacuum at this point or is it better to hire weekly cleaners?

Okay. Are there cheaper vacuums? Oh yeah, there's way cheaper vacuums but that's the only one that's going to be compatible with the Mars Walker. Yeah, but you could just buy two of them. You could just buy one for your upper floor. You might literally be better off just...

Oh, 100%. Yeah, so some Roborock thing is like between $300 and $1,000. So you would literally just be better off. Yeah, Pankratz is in the chat. He's like my first car was significantly cheaper than that robot vacuum. Yeah.

Yeah. And the Mars Walker is an accessory. So presumably that accessory is not free on top of the $1,600. I mean, I got to imagine that with how, okay, I'll say this. With how much money robot vacuum manufacturers seem to have to throw around for sponsorships, clearly people are buying them. Like, they're also just all over every trade show ever. Like there's, there's, yeah, there's some.

something to be sad about what the heck is going on there. Dude, I can't believe how many pool robot companies there are. Right? Yeah, we saw another one at EFA. That was actually that was nuts. I made a joke about how we should do like a top five pool robots short as a joke.

There wasn't enough of them, but there are definitely some. And again, same thing. They seem to have ample budgets for sponsorships. So presumably people are buying these things. It's not that they don't work.

Like, I'm not, I'm not saying they're, like, dumb or whatever. They're just, they're really expensive. And there's places in the world that are, it's, it's, like, more common to have a pool. But, yeah, the robot itself is very expensive. It's interesting. Clearly high margin, I'd say that much. Dolby has jumped on the AI bandwagon. Dolby has announced some of the new features.

coming in Dolby Vision 2, the successor to its popular Dolby Vision H.DR format. The original Dolby Vision was meant to give creators the ability to fine-tune how TVs present content in HDR. And it really was noticeably better than HDR 10, which was its primary competitor at the time. Dolby Vision allows you to include metadata that tells your device, scene by scene, how to fine tune the image that it is outputting. HDR10 did not. You were stuck sort of within a fixed band.

The new format seems to be trying to strike a balance between artistic intent and solving common viewer complaints. So content intelligence apparently adds new AI capabilities to make the image crystal clear by improving clarity in any viewing environment without compromising intent, fixing things like content appearing too dark in less optimal environments. Okay. And then authentic motion is supposed to be the world's first creative driven motion control tool

to make scenes feel more authentically cinematic but without unwanted jutter on a shot by shot basis. Okay. In this case, Dolby claims to have fixed the soap opera effect that is commonly caused by motion smoothing by allowing filmmakers scene-by-scene control over how the feature is leveraged. Interesting.

There are definitely cases where jutter or even just 24 FPS, just low frame rate has been very distracting to me in films that otherwise are just beautiful and amazing and perfect in every way. It's like some of the mountain shots in Lord of the Rings, for instance. Yes. Where it's just like, here's some mountain peaks, and they're like,

dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, across the screen. It's like, yo, that's just distracting. I think that, honestly, the Lord of the Rings mountain scenes is, like, the most classic example of that problem. I don't mind the authentic motion part if it's giving the filmmaker the tool. Because I trust the filmmaker with this tool.

I don't trust TV manufacturers. And I don't trust AI. And that's where content intelligence is sort of bugging me. like I get that everyone is it actually AI though like okay is it is it like what what one of the problems we have with AI is like what kind yeah what are we talking yeah what are we talking about if it's certain types of machine learning it might be completely fine um yeah like if this is just an auto calibration tool right where it's just using an onboard uh where a light sensor and is just kind of like fine tuning the gamma curve or whatever

than, I mean, sure, but then, like, are you just calling it AI because everything has to be AI now, or are you actually, are you generative anything because I don't want that? I'm at EFA right now, which is like, I don't know, it's, it's not quite, but some people branded as like Europe's CES. And, man, the AI branding is, is everywhere. And genuinely often has nothing to do with anything. I think we've seen at least a couple times where the AI branding is for features that are definitely not AI based. I would actually bet money that they're not. And in other cases, it's like, okay, this is a very old, like, you know, machine learning type of approach that they've rebranded as, you know, smart AI or whatever. There's also examples where, I mean, this is classic, but you don't need.

even want it. Oh, well, yeah, sure. Like, it's just worse. Like, EFA seems to have a lot of appliances, which is not super normal for me at trade shows at least. Like, there's an entire hall of, like, washing machines. Oh, are they AI, though? They're, like, all AI-based, and in a lot of ways, it's, like, just stupid, and I don't

want it. And I was ranting about how, like, I want the dumbest fridge you can give me. like i don't i don't want my fridge to like tell me what groceries are missing because you just you just know that's for sure data harvesting and even if it wasn't even if it wasn't data harvesting how could it possibly know how much sour cream is in the tub it doesn't know i mean that's a good argument right there it can't know anything useful maybe it like watches how many times you take it out and like a tool he has weight sensors in the shelves i don't know dude a tool that gives

me 30% of the information that I need is not a useful tool. Like, I wouldn't mind having a live camera feed in my fridge that I can, like, log into like a security camera. I could see that being useful if I just want to know, like, oh, crap, did I, did I get a second jug of milk last time I was shopping? Because if I didn't, then I should get, like, because we generally keep two jugs of milk in our house. We have one that's in, like, the front so that the kids can, like, get it.

and then we'll usually have the backup one because that one will run out at some point. And so it's like, do we have a backup jug of milk right now? Like, yeah, sure, yeah, fine, useful. But, like, trying to, like, generate a shopping list for me, dude, we are decades away from that being useful at all, being functional enough that it could actually do anything. I wonder what your input on this is. So we found a fridge. I genuinely don't remember who made it.

I think it might have been Samsung, but. Oh, hold on. Hold that thought. Hold that thought. People are upset. Fanboy NZ says not bags of milk. Timbitt says, jugs? Question mark, question mark, brother. I've been getting my milk from jugs since I was first born. Took him a sec. Some of that was latency. Some of that was late. I think I got that pretty quick. That was a... It's jugs on the West Coast. Milk in a bag is this weird, like, Eastern Canada thing. I did, I went over there once and I stayed with a family for an exchange and I was like, this just seems like a jug of milk with extra steps. Like, are we seriously all on board with this?

Anyway, sorry, sorry, carry on. So I think it was Samsung, but I didn't, I generally don't remember who and if it's not Samsung, my bad. But somebody here has a fridge that you can speak to. And the only command that I noticed that it had was, and I was trying to jailbreak some of the AI systems. while we were here. There's like an AC that you can talk to and ask it to, like, lower and up the temperature in the room, and I was trying to get it to output, like, Buffin recipes and stuff, but I have so far failed.

I have not given up. But there's, yeah, there's a fridge that you can, you can ask it to open. Okay. Verbly, and it will open the doors for you. Okay. Is that actually faster than opening it? I mean, if you're going to get anything out of it. It's actually, like, kind of slow.

If you're going to get anything out of it, you have to. be standing there anyway. Yep. The thing that I thought was interesting is, like, I could maybe imagine a situation where I want to voice command the door to close. Yeah. But I can't really imagine a situation where I want to voice command the door to open. Yeah.

So I tried to, while it only advertised saying open, but I tried to while I was standing there, voice command it to close. And it just didn't. Okay. So there was a booth attendant there, and I was like, hey, so, like, is there a plan to support closing in the future? Yeah. And he's like, oh, no, for sure, no. I was like, why?

He's like, oh, child safety. But it's a fridge. Couldn't they just push it open? Like, it doesn't lock, right? Okay, so bashing the kid with the door as it swings open is not a child safety issue, but hitting them with the door as it closes is a child safety issue. And he just straight up was like, yeah. I don't know, dude. This is like kind of how I imagine the conversations went at like Porsche headquarters.

Like I only figured out fairly recently that it's their choice that I can't type on my keyboard while my car is not in park or it's not not in park only while it's completely not in motion. So like my passenger is not allowed to key in a destination for me. unless I am stopped. And voice control is utterly useless for navigation. It just doesn't work unless you happen to live in magical fairyland where all of your streets happen to have names that are easily understood by a machine. And it's like it's their decision.

And the amount of extra distraction that is caused by issuing a voice command multiple times or like having to verify that it is actually sending you to the wrong place instead of absolute no man's land Narnia somewhere is so much more than if I could press three characters and click the first auto-complete like you can in a Tesla, like you can in other Volkswagen group vehicles.

Like I just, like the kind of absolute broken moon logic that you encounter with product designers sometimes is just so frustrating to me. And it's one of those things where it's like, I totally get it. Some people might actually disagree with me on this point, and that's totally fine, but that is not the manufacturer's job. The manufacturer's job is to get the fuck out of my way and let me use the product that I paid a considerable sum of money for. That's the manufacturer's job.

Payment processors. The other thing I would say, too, is like, it's kind of funky to me because they have supported features in the car based on weight in the passenger seat for, a super long time because there's the whole airbag thing, right? So they could just allow you to type on the screen if there's a passenger in the seat. Yep. That would, like, actually be very easy for them to do it. Or better yet, they could just piss off. And while I'm, like, you know, pulling out of my driveway, I could go do, do, do, do, do instead of having to go, oh, I'm slam the brakes and type and then go.

it's ugh. Or I'm assuming you might be able to circumvent it by just being on your phone while you're driving which is even less ideal.

You 100% can. Don't ask me how I know. I guarantee you that people do that and now even more so guarantee that people do that. That's not better. Just worse. So much worse.

Just get out of my way and let me type a few characters. Also I'm not trying to like dog on Porsche right now. they're having all kinds of trouble but they were like so proud um so evan got a mccani v earlier and they were like so proud at both of the dealerships we went to to to look at various used ones because we were trying to get a deal um of like how much more responsive the interfaces i'm like bro yes it's better than what's in my tecan but like it's still worse than a

Tesla from like five years ago. What are you guys even doing? Like, come on, man. They're like, oh, it's so responsive now. You're going to love it. I'm like, dude, I have a smartphone. Don't you have a smartphone? So you know what a touchscreen's supposed to feel like, right?

This ain't it. Ugh. Yeah. What trouble? Financial trouble. Basically, the entire world is moving on to Chinese EVs. and accept the places where they are tariffed out of competitiveness. And even that is just a matter of time.

Like, I would be surprised if one of Canada's responses to the U.S. tariff, trade war situation wouldn't be to say, oh, so you want to completely fuck up the integrated North American automotive supply chain? Okay, fuck you too. we're going to just remove our tariffs on Chinese EVs. See you later. That would be super destructive to us too, but it's a super destruction that's already happening. So, all right.

Yeah, we're already getting wrecked in that way. So I don't know how much it would necessarily change, to be honest. This is one of those things where it's like forethought doesn't seem to be a super strong suit of... This is just like the Nvidia GPU thing. It's, yeah, it's very short-sighted. Yep. Yeah, Regness. says, I support that idea. I think we've got

two of our premieres already that have gone on record publicly saying we should just drop the tariffs then on Chinese EVs, because I think we have the same tariffs as the US, 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs. Yeah.

Yeah, good luck, everybody. What else we got for this week? The Lenovo Legion go-to, electric boogaloo. Lenovo has revealed its next handheld gaming device the Legion Go 2, the same 8.8 inch size, but it is now OLED

with lower resolution, 1920 by 1,200, instead of 2560 by 1,600, and 100. Oh, that's fine, honestly, at that size, 1920 by 1200 is lots. It also apparently has a 144 hertz refresh rate with support for variable refresh rate. That's sick. A VRR

OLED. Is that a first in a handheld? Does anyone have VRR OLED yet? I don't know. Guys, hit me up if there's a VRR OLED, because there's Switch OLED, but it doesn't support VRR. There's Steam Deck OLED. My understanding is it does not support VRR. My understanding is that that was part of the reason that Aesuce has given for not doing OLED on any of their handhelds.

We're talking handheld consoles. Yeah, handheld guys, handheld. Well, people are saying phones are handheld, which is... Okay, I'm talking about not a phone. The category naming is hard, okay, come on. Yeah, I don't think so. None that I'm aware of. Madi, C.H said, how about security with those EVs?

It's a complicated question because I understand what you're saying. But then at the same time, we have, like, Tesla very obviously abusing the cameras on their cars. So it's like, who do you want taking your driving data in your cameras? Yeah, they're getting super punished for it, though, for sure. That's, like, definitely happening. So, okay. So it's like you're definitely, this is why I really like my dumb car. And I hope to keep dumb cars.

Because, like, you don't need that. You can go away. But then, yeah, but then that means you're going gas, pretty much. Yeah, the thing is, if you want to be credibly seen as the good guy instead of the other guy, you have to behave like one. so yeah yeah good job everybody anyway back to the legion go too it uses am d's risin z2 and z2 extreme

apu's with radion 890m graphics 32 gigs of lpdr 5x 8,000 2 terabytes of storage a whopping 74 watt hour battery and will continue to have removable controllers similar to nintendo switch with two usb4 ports so you can simultaneously charge and hook up to like an eGPU or something, as well as a micro-SD card slot.

It is expected to launch around the same time as the Xbox X, R-O-G, Ally, X, whatever that thing is called, in October. The one with the base Z2 chip will launch for $1,100 US dollars, with the extreme chip launching for 1,349. that's a lot to put that in perspective the z2 chip looks like it is going to suck sweaty donkey balls so for you to get like the new faster one the z2 extreme you will be spending like actual desktop like with a monitor and some nice peripherals money uh okay our discussion question from mr elijah horner is the handheld market is booming with so many companies now making second or third or fourth revisions i mean

how many how many into it is ianio or gpd at this point why is the steam deck two taking so long well elijah young man that you are this is the thing about valve yeah lack of experience is i think the answer on this one um let me familiarize you with valve time Valve time October of 1997 Actual time September of 1998 Valve time

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20 minutes Actual time 40 minutes Valve time Soon Real time Cancelled after 10 years Just be happy

If you ever get a steam deck two And I kind of suspect we will at this point But I honestly wouldn't be surprised If it's going to be three more years Yeah I do I mean We've been waiting for SteamOS to just have an installer for just like any computer literally since before they even launched the Steam deck. This is just the Valve way.

And you know what? When they execute on it, it'll probably be great. And they'll get to it when they get to it, damn it. And you'll like it. Yep. Okay. Oh, we got another one for this week. Oh, this is fun.

Open AI has confirmed it reads your chats. Last week, we discussed a recent OpenAI blog post that announced ChatGPT's new parental controls feature. Futurism noted that the post seemed to subtly admit that ChatGPT scans your conversations and may refer them to law enforcement. Okay. Some of the response online has argued

that directing police to individuals in mental crisis could in some cases do more harm than good. This past June, OpenAI claimed a court order to retain data for a New York Times lawsuit went against the privacy commitments it had made with users, and yet this seems to conflict with their tacit admission that they scan your conversations and may refer them to law enforcement. So OpenAI has some spleenin to do, and most mainstream users are going to completely ignore this

and continue to pour absolutely everything about themselves into chat GPT, Once again, good luck, everybody. Hey, are we ever going to get an all-good news Wandshow, Luke? Is it ever going to happen? I don't think so. I think we might actually be able to, like, really, really force one if we want to. And it might be worth doing. But I'm going to, yet again, I can't share my screen.

But I can't recommend this video enough. I recommended it before. Linus knows the one I'm going to say. but there's a Wendell video that's getting a little bit older at this point. Aren't we all? It's about a month old. It's called AI and You Against the Machine Guide so you can own Big AI. Go watch that. It's awesome.

You can run these models locally and then opening eye can't read your stuff. This is the way. So I know it's expensive. Now might not be the time. I think you should be informed and know what's going on, even if that just makes it so that if you're in conversation with someone who could, but they might be able to get that happening, whether that's a boss at your work or, I don't know,

maybe someone at your school. It could be interesting to be informed on that conversation and potentially be able to drive some change. So check it out. Hey, Dan, how close are we to the finale? have you gotten an update let's check project comms nice what do we have mark is watching it now that was two minutes ago so i think it's in final QC i think it's in the middle of being processed let me check on the internet dude luke have you have you seen any drafts of of part four

the finale no no i watched it today me early drafts on on any of them. I've just been watching them on floor plane as they come out. It's an absolute banger. Do not post Scrapyard Wars X. Is the clarification of the thing included? I don't think we will be able to discuss that without... Oh! Oh! Of! Of...

Yes. Yes. Okay, cool. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Good enough. I think they actually did a pretty good job of laying out the various things and various outcomes and all the kinds of things that were thinged.

I don't want any spoilers, but apparently Sammy wants us without spoiling the results talk about how we felt about this year's Scrappyard Wars, Luke to answer. I'm just reading the notes from the float plane announcement. Luke to answer me specifically? Yeah, I don't know what he's getting. at though so it's hard for me to kind of guide you towards the right things that you're supposed to talk about here yeah that's tough i don't really know what to say here uh just because i don't want to ruin anything um yeah maybe you don't have to say anything then if you just feel like you know

anything you say canon will be used against you in a court of spoilers then just don't do it i mean okay i guess i can talk about the episodes that are i can kind of talk about the episodes that are already out um i i talked before anybody saw any episode about how like insane that week was for me and I don't think this is like my best scrapyard work showing as an individual people in my team did did well and I I think that was cool I I think my contributions were less than I would have hoped that they were going to be even watching it back like I've had some people comment be like oh you did great and then I go watch

I'm like, no, there's definitely things that I could have and should have done better. I did notice, I did notice some cheating from you guys in the last episode. Excuse me? We didn't cheat on anything. What are you talking about? I noticed some cheating. Go ahead. Tell me what it was.

There was a particular rule that you had to go out in pairs. Yeah. And you could ask for an exception. Okay. Yeah. So we did. What is even the points? I mean, we got exceptions too, but what is even the point of rules?

What are you talking about? What are you even talking? We got exceptions too. We got exceptions too. If you got an exception, then it is what it is. It's all good. Dude, we followed the rules. I didn't want any false accusations like with Scrappyard Wars 9.

So we followed the rules. That was not a false accusation. That was B.S. 100% false. That was BS. You absolutely cheated. We followed, I didn't. Garbage.

We followed the rules to a. T, we followed the rules. Respected them even. Respected them. Because we had a person on our team who was, um, yeah, our driving situation was interesting. I'll say that much.

I mean, yeah, I, you know what? Look, I, I, I, I, all, hey. I like cars I like cars I like turtles you know yeah yeah I might just have to save

our conversation for after you guys we'll hold it we'll stop there we'll hold it yeah yeah um yeah

you know what I'm gonna have to do the float plane announcement now and then we'll just have to post it shortly after when show ends then okay Dan

hey I'm not the people who will be crying they're not here anyway so it doesn't matter. Okay so early access for Scrapyard Wars 10 part four will go up tonight as soon as we are able to and as an added

bonus on September 9th David is going to be doing director's commentary live with some of the participants and with our lead editor for each episode exclusively on floatplane. If you want to know a little bit more about two-time participants,

her Meet the Team video just went up talking about her work at Labs and Creator Warehouse so you can go check that out on floatplane. We also have lots of extras, including one that I'm glad went up because there was some discussion on the subreddit that Linus is the kind of guy who just shows up on set and, you know, kind of like a home makeover show, you know, holds a paintbrush for two seconds and then, you know, goes away and sits in his trailer or whatever. fortunately in the extras for part three that accusation was put to rest because I can clearly be seen oh sorry I can clearly be seen painting the entire room from start to finish working on it the entire time

because no I actually do do work here you butt heads not even in the extras in just the normal footage there was enough to show that you were doing all of that in my opinion that's a crazy accusation I don't know man it's just I didn't pop, whatever. That's nuts. Like, I watched both because I think the extras have been fantastic, but I just like, what are you even talking about?

There's so much footage of you painting. My takeaway was like, oh, interesting, he spent that entire day painting, just watching, like, the normal episode. Yep, that was basically all I did for an entire day. Which makes sense. And it added a lot to the room. I think that was a good move. But, like, my immediate takeaway was, yeah, he just painted for a long time. Yeah.

anyway if you want to know if you want to be the first to know and have insider knowledge on this year scrapyard wars join floatplane at LMG.g slash floatplane and the final episode of

this series will come out I'm getting an ETA now soon on YouTube as well all right Dan time for some merch messages sure we're already there that sounds great let's see I push

this button I'm going to get my phone Hamnetics says C-sweet prerogative I'll damn well spend the day painting if I want to Look I just I think Luke and I are both

The kind of person Who no matter how meaningless The competition is We will do whatever it takes No matter how small the prize is We will move heaven and earth To win for glory Like it's uh I don't know

It's like I wouldn't think of myself As like a mean loser or like a sore winner necessarily like I'll do I love me some trash talk but I'd like to think it's you know it's always in

it's always in good fun but I just I love I love the spirit of competition and yeah Luke's like exactly the same way so you know if it involved just doing some kind of horrible task

have no doubt that either of us would do it to win a worth this trophy yeah yeah pretty much yeah dad too do anything for the for the hell it like almost it almost honestly I don't know

it's probably almost parabolic where like if it is if it is the most meaningless thing oh yeah same same same same if it's like oh you can win like you know a $10 or a $15 flash drive I feel like would try less than if it was like a plastic fake 3D printed trophy

I think I would probably you know kill live on camera if it if the price was just a firm handshake from Linus Amaria says $1,000 and like your own private island eh that sounds like effort

Amaria says the competition if it were more serious it wouldn't even be fun I watch it for the dedication to the lowest possible stakes yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Dude, but you don't understand how important the trophy is.

Oh, my gosh. I didn't even know there was a trophy. To be perfectly honest. I didn't know there was going to be a trophy to the end. I thought it was just like a, like a you win. Yay! Next video. Do we have any merch messages, Mr. Dan?

Yeah, sorry to get distracted. No, no. I'll do. And the tips. I was made the CTO of my organization and nominated as a distinguished engineer. I mean, that's not even a weird. flex all right heck yeah

the expert in my field if floatplane labs etc. had dees then for what tech what if each of you made a DE I don't know what SM I thought it was somewhere yeah what if each of you were

made a DE somewhere like what would you be the distinguished engineer in like the expert in your field I don't know I'm an all-rounder. I'm a jack-of-all-trades. You know what? There, that's my DE.

I'd be the DE in distilling jargon. Like, I don't know if there's many people who do that quite like I do. I'll sit, I'll talk to engineers, the actual DEs, and absorb just enough of it to regurgitate it back and have them go, oh. oh yeah oh yeah no that's probably the the best way i've heard that explained by someone who didn't do an entire post-doctorate degree in this um good job and i'll be like thanks i have now forgotten all of it so as long as the as long as the words on the page are right and you say they're right we're good that's my superpower man i don't know if i have an answer for this um so much of what i do these days is just like insert miscellaneous management tasks.

Hmm. I like to think that I'm good at getting people to kind of like rally behind a banner. So like alignment, I guess. Motivation. Yeah, sure. I'll go with that. Okay, up next. Oh, you're talking, excuse me, too?

They asked you. I don't make the rules. Troubleshooting. That's mine. I like that. Why broke? You know what? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Channel broken. Why broken? Why broke? Sound broken. Power broken. Here, fix.

Do this. Throw out. Trace broken. If only I could figure out why life broken. Up next. Hi. That got happy. Hi, LLD.

It's like cobbler's children, right? My shoes are bad. Hi, LLD, with many devices that were purchased during the pandemic. Now, aging out of schools and businesses. What are your thoughts on the future of e-waste in North America? What future? It's a crisis. It's an enormous.

problem and it's exacerbated by a trend towards less and less repairable and deconstructible, right? Like touchscreens, I actually didn't become aware of what an ecological disaster touchscreens were. Sorry, I should say environmental, not necessarily ecology, but what an environmental disaster touchscreens were until quite recently because the way that they're laminated and fused makes them much more difficult to separate into their constituent parts, apparently. Yeah, it's a catastrophe and one that humanity will probably not end up

having to deal with because we'll be dead. What's the weirdest sponsor request you've had to turn down? Oh, man. The weirdest sponsor request you've had to turn down. See, I was trying to think, like it may be something from D brand but I basically never really say no to them so yeah yeah I hmm you know I think this is gonna be we had one that we we like reached out to them to see if they would do it and then they were enthusiastically down and then we decided to not

do it does that count do you know what one I'm talking about no I don't but I have I have a one Mr. Colton Potter potentially on the line here. I'm going to try him. Sure. I'm going to DM you the one that I'm talking about. You can decide to say it if you want. Wow.

Sent to voicemail after only two and a half rings. Well, I know where we stand, Mr. Potter. I just DMed it to you. Oh. The, um, if you want to mention it or not. Oh, yeah, sure.

I don't know. Yeah, sure. Go with that. I didn't even remember that. I don't remember that. the context of it? Yeah. I don't remember like what sparked it, but way back in the day, can I say the name? Is that the first part of that name? Okay, sure.

There was some reason why we were thinking about doing something, and we thought it would be funny if we got it sponsored by the hub, and they actually responded and we're like, yeah, we're down. And we didn't really expect that response, and then we were like, oh, wait, this is like real. Are we actually doing this? And then the decision was, no. So we had to be like, um, never mind. Sorry.

That's lame as hell. Which is kind of like quintessential nerd in that scenario, I think. So maybe that makes sense. Hey, do you want to go on a date? Yeah. Um, uh, uh, no, you're too pretty, bye. Yeah, basically. So funny.

Um, yeah, I don't remember what the deal was. That was like, it's not in my inbox. no this is ancient I think it's yeah but like my inbox goes back to the start of the company smart guy no yeah for sure see I'm not used to that because someone deleted the inbox for float plane um I don't know who that was yeah you inbox for float plane remember we had float plane club emails and then you just like randomly deleted it one day

I don't remember why we did that oh right because we didn't want to keep paying for them forever yeah yeah I remember that we were we were partially migrated but not fully migrated and you just needed the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my bad. We lost, like, a bunch of history. Yeah, that was my bad. It's fine. I mean, it's basically resolved at this point. But I am used to, like, things from that era, just assuming that I don't have them.

So, yeah, my bad. But, yeah, this was, I think this was done through Colton. And I think any discussions with you would have been vocal at that point in time. Yeah, okay. Yeah, sorry, I can't find any reference to it. That's friggin' hilarious, though. It was, it was either them or someone. very like them and I really I don't remember I wonder if it was like how to hide your stuff that is

on the hub video I don't think it was that frame wouldn't it would have been like channel super fun the the dildo racing maybe I think it was a little bit after that okay but I was going to bring that video up because I think it might have been something like kind of inspired by I really don't remember what it was it's been too long it's like literally been a decade basically um but that was a thing we we reached out to them they said sure whoever it was i think it was them um and then we said no it's amazing how many people are relatively new to the channel and just like have no idea what channel super fun is this floatplane chat's just like lighting up with the what racing uh yeah that was a video on channel super fun way back in the day um i got

i got a text from my daughter that actually reminded me of this is totally unrelated to anything but Remember that cool text that I showed you from her a little while back where I was like, this is such a proud dad moment. Guys, this is so cool. I got a text from her, like, middle of last month that was, I fixed the printer all by myself today for the first time. Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark. She goes, a piece of filament was stuck.

Dude, it worked. That's so cool. It freaking paid off the Christmas present for, like, the big one for the whole thing. family. I want to say two Christmases ago now was a bamboo labs printer P1S and then a few AMS because the idea that I had in my head was that in particular my daughters who I recognized immediately were going to just use it as a toy factory. We're going to eventually run into enough problems that I was eventually going to lose patience with fixing it for them to the point where they were going to have to start learning

how to manage it themselves and they were going to run out of already prefabbed creations that they could just print and get to the point where they were going to have to start learning to model stuff and it's freaking happening it took about

about 20 months but it's flipping happening. My eldest daughter can do some basic 3D printer repair including taking out stuck filament she can take the full extruder head assembly off of it and replace it. Honestly, what's more important about that, in my opinion, is that she was really excited and proud about doing so,

which means that she will probably continue to grow. She got that dopamine hit. Yes. She got the hit. That's a very important component. Yes. She has learned troubleshooting. She achieved something, and she got the secondary dopamine hit.

of being able to use the printer to make something she wanted. She's already starting to do a little bit of basic modeling and that's influencing my youngest daughter to want to be just like her big sister like they tend to do and she's trying to do a little bit as well. Dude, absolutely freaking stoked.

It freaking happened. Tyler asks, did your son ever decide if he wants to be in more LTD videos? Actually, yeah, he expressed some interest over the course of the summer and he is currently in the first or second draft phase

of a Kindle video. So I basically told him, look, I don't mind a little bit of light nepotism, but the way that it's going to work is if you want to, you know, do anything that isn't just as my son, you're going to have to shovel some shit if you know what I mean.

And so I basically picked the least glamorous possible assignment, which it turns out on the docket was a look at the latest Kindles, including the color Kindle. And I went, okay, here's some basic guardrails of, you know, sort of where to go for information, yourself, other publications that have covered it, just, you know, to learn what their thoughts were, but think for yourself. Customer reviews, filtering out, of course, that, you know, inexperienced reviewers.

slash people who don't have other devices for context slash bot slash paid reviewers might be muddying the waters there here's what people might want to know what's good about it what's bad about it what's complicated about it don't forget about price blah blah blah I kind of laid out all these things

and I went okay dump it all in a dock and again a little bit of light nepotism one of our experienced writers will look at your first draft with you and actually ploof said it was not bad I haven't looked at it yet because he went through the first three, four paragraphs, sort of showed my son, okay, here's what you need to tweak, here's what's pretty good. He kind of went, yeah, you know, it reads like a 13-year-old wrote it, but a good 13-year-old.

I sent him back to the kitchen, and he's currently working on draft two, which will then go into script review with me. So this will be my first time actually seeing the script, and I have resolved to have absolutely no mercy, if it's something that I would have changed with one of our writers, I'll change it. And I basically told him that the most that he gets to do in this, because again, he's got to shovel some shit, is he gets to host a little bit of it. So he might host a segment or two,

but he's writing a video for the LTT channel, and it will either be good enough and we'll actually use it or it won't be good enough, and I'll look at his resume again in another year or two. That's kind of where we're at on it. now that's it we were talking about the dopamine hits and the desire for more situation with the repairing of the printer when he received that feedback from ploof um was he motivated did he did he did he get to it did he start working on it right yeah he's working on it i've seen i've seen him working on it nice yeah that's exciting i'm hearing good

positive things about this video potentially arriving soon. Oh. While that potentially happens. Five or six minutes. Cool. More. Okay, well, we should try to get

through the rest of the merch messages then so we can time it for the end of the show. Yeah. Hello, short, shorter, and shortest. Like the pizza warmer, what other not stellar videos would you like to completely redo? My Blackberry review.

Well late for that. Yeah. Too bad you sunk them, Luke. It's your fault. Oh, no. No, it's all me. I miss my Blackberry. Oh, no.

Man, I don't know. Maybe you guys will be able to tell me. What are my worst videos? Which ones should I redo? Hit me. The apology video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be a pretty good one.

Your next one, you'll get right. You know what? I don't think so. I don't think so, Dan. I think the next time a major scandal rolls our way, I'm just going to be like, fuck it, deal with it. Actually, base, I would support that?

I just think I'm over it at this point. No ukulele, no nothing. Just like, yeah, okay, whatever, bye. There's been so many attempts to cancel my career that I'm just like, I'm over it at this point. Like, look, next time go for the head. And if you don't hit it, then, give up go home i can't remember what the last one was but i remember i was like out doing stuff

on the weekend and one of my friends messaged me like oh my god this thing is happening and i if i remember correctly you and i both were basically just like yeah we'll we'll get to it when we're back in office it's like it's fine whatever uh sometimes the internet's gonna internet what else we got your worst videos are building PCs. You can only do that so many times. Well, then why would you tell me to redo it? Remake the first video with no AI.

Yeah, I don't know. You guys aren't really giving me much here. Survivor Slug Cat says, one that needs a remake is the Christmas album. No, it doesn't. If anything, I think over the last little while, we've gotten less musical. So, no, I don't think that's a very good idea.

Interesting. Dan? Is that true for like the... Oh, I thought you were going to continue with another one. No. Hi, LMG. I just got a brand new monitor with HDR functionality. Nice.

Whenever I turn it on, it looks weird. Is that just me? Why do people turn on HDR? I love the magnetic cable organization and bottle. Ah, okay, Windows. HDR can sometimes be a little bit funky. I actually encountered it earlier today. Sometimes you turn on HDR and Windows and it's like pretty darn looking like it kind of should at the desktop. And then other times you turn it on

and it gets like all washed out and horrible looking. So what you'll have to do is you'll have to make sure that your display is only switched into HDR mode when you're actually playing content that benefits from HDR. Because even if your desktop looks like hot poo-poo, if you go into a game that supports HDR and turn HDR on, it will look outstanding and then just don't use HDR at the desktop, I guess. WinB, yeah.

Yeah, WinB, hotkey. Does it hockey for that? Yeah, if I recall correctly. That's sick. I'm not going to do it because it might break the computer. Okay, I have been given a link. Sorry, Win Altby. Okay.

carry on. I've been given a link to Scrapierreadors so we can post that when we're done. Yeah, when we're done. Good day from Australia. Luke Le Refrigerator, you've often said that

life is PVP. As a bloke who seems set on making the world better, how do you square that with the life is PVP philosophy? Any tips? Hmm. I would say probably

kill them quickly so they don't suffer. I mean, just because it's PVP doesn't mean those other people can't be useful to you. You shouldn't just kill them all. Yeah. Yeah. Even like even in a PVP enabled the world, you can have people that can work with you. If you think about, I mean, even if you think about just video games, right? Like if you think about one of the longest running ones now, Eve Online, it's like,

like extremely brutal, extremely PVP enabled, you have internal, you'll have like spies that'll steal stuff from groups all the time but that doesn't stop people from working together because in order to accomplish more you have to work together and you will find

people that are generally going to act in a way that benefits you. You can argue that effectively every single action like ever made is selfish but there can be selfish actions that's such a cynical viewpoint yeah it is I agree and I don't think it's realistic

but even in that scenario there can be things that people do that are selfish that benefit you so alignment yeah alignment is very important and definitely attainable and it might not work every time but like it's definitely attainable and there are people want to be on a team and there are positive there there are personally positive results sometimes that align with making the world a better place. I mean, I'd say a great example would be making a good product that helps people fix things faster and more comfortably. Like, yes, you know, this is a PVP world.

And, you know, it was the creation of our screwdriver was capitalistically motivated. Obviously, I don't mind selling half a million of them. but that doesn't mean that that has to be mutually exclusive to other people finding a benefit from our team's actions and that doesn't mean that other people on our team can't benefit from the sales of this like it's just I think you can even argue like something like the trust me bro warranty like the idea of just somewhat automatically siding with the customers

and trying to make things good for people is honestly it's so multifaceted it's it's kind of easier for us the customer service team can just be like less contentious than they would have to be at other companies which is probably nice I assume that's nice I know for the full plane customer support that's nice it just makes the the approach to a lot of situations easy it's like oh you're mad and you want a refund okay yeah sounds good hopefully you come back later see we've actually caught a lot of people very off guard doing that because they're like oh wait really gearing up for a fight yeah and then and then sometimes they end up coming back and like messaging us about the fact that they came back which is kind of a funny way to close that loop but the

the idea that something is is good for is good for you therefore it's it must be bad for others is not good. I think also the idea that something is good for others, therefore it must be bad for you is a bad way of thinking as well. Someone else gaining a benefit and you not gaining it can still mean that that is a good thing overall. And supporting that, I think if you don't think super short-sighted, might result in things that are good for you and not necessarily good for them happening in the future. Because if you set that as like the, like, look, we are going to to do the thing that is right as much as possible as the standard that you have, that you will ideally overall benefit from that happening.

I don't know. The whole situation is tough. Life is constant PVP. I think the main thing that you are in PVP with is companies. Yes, it happens with each other. Like, we are in PV with each other all the time. Which is a total bummer for everyone but me from my perspective. So you were in constant

PVP with everyone else in your eyes in your regards to getting with the Vaughan. Now I don't even have to take care of myself. I would still say yes, actually. That's fair. That's fair. It's like 50% of marriages end in divorce. But a lot of stuff is not zero sum like that.

Yes. And you know, ideally you end up in a situation where it's not really that way. But you also need to keep your guard up. like you can't just like randomly suck as a husband anymore um not anymore you can't just randomly suck as a husband yeah that would be huge news for her if i came out like that oh my god um but yeah i don't know anyways it's it's yeah the main thing you need to keep your guard on out for is is company stuff uh the concept there's no concept there's no

such thing as a free lunch is like super true and you should just be aware of it um yeah if something's free you're the product and that is very intense i've been talking recently about how uh the like what we're paying for is shifting we're like paying to not have things now you're paying to not have ads you're paying to not have your data stolen you're paying to not be involved in like really brutal um surveillance and and data harvesting schemes you're paying to avoid these problems um and um and that should hopefully help you be aware sorry or like forced labor in the production of your products like like that's an extra you know and it's it's a rather extreme extra because that forced labor who boy it's real cheap um yeah so it's it's interesting um um

I think it's also tough because, and I catch myself with this as well sometimes, but like the things I care about, or like, you know, I care about a lot of things, but the things that I decide to action that I care about, it's hard to not try to push other people to like definitely just follow the same things that I do. And everybody's got their own little wars going on. I don't know. Something about recognizing that life is a constant PVP environment is just also recognizing that people, are going through it all the time and it's tough to know what battles somebody is fighting and that doesn't mean you know you have to be just incredibly lenient with everyone all the time but i think it's just sometimes understanding that they're like everyone all the time is bringing an incredible amount of baggage to every single scenario they're ever in you never know

like why someone reacts to something so intensely and it's probably because of tons of other things going on that you have really no way of ever understanding so just try to not take things too personally keep your head down and understand that basically every company is trying to loot you all the time hey what did I just get linked here sidecar your personal automotive assistant someone just sent this to me in chat Sid BMW sent this to me apparently the tycan is the top car driven by people who use this app what does it do that's like that's wild there's so few tycans on the road oh never mind i figured it out it warns you about recalls i've had a few of those i could see tycan owners caring about that and it looks like it helps you uh it looks like it helps with trip planning which the tycan has craptastic range so never mind okay

I figured it out. Okay, Dan, next one. Sure thing. When water bottles was a new product, Linus mentioned a known issue with the black and gold water bottles that the gold would fade quickly for some users. Is that just a factor of the printing method? Yes, and we have explored and explored and explored other printing methods

and have not found a good way for gold paint on the water bottle with the current processes and manufacturing that we use to not fade. So I think we either removed it from the site or we just have a disclaimer on it now that we don't cover fading of the gold. I can't remember which one it is at this point. I'm going to check.

It looks like we do still have it on the site. And disclaimers, gold ink may be more prone to wear in discoloration from skin oils and exposure to heat than other colors. Some fading is normal over the lifetime of the product and it is not dishwasher safe. So that's what we ultimately went with. people got mad that's right i remember now people got mad when we took it away and they wanted the

option to have a faded gold bottle and we were like okay oh speaking of which we may have found a coating for the screwdriver shaft gold define black a gold coating no black that would be cool oh that'll like actually survive that well anything any coding is not invulnerable but a lot better but a lot better than the OG. That's cool. That's pretty exciting. So, yeah, I think people would be quite interested to see a black shaft return. I actually have another merch message about that.

Oh, do you really? And let me see if I can find it here. About black shafts for a bit? Hi, DLO. Linus, a couple weeks ago you mentioned, y'all were almost sold out of fail shafts. Will more scribe drivers come back once you're out? Hopefully, black shafts return.

So, yeah, it was actually the scribe driver that drove us to re-explore black coatings and look at some of the options, re-look at some of the options we'd looked at previously, but maybe with different partners, and then look at some new options that had come to light. And we found one that worked really great on scribe driver, and we kind of went, well, if it works on a scribe driver, then it should work on a screwdriver, because they're like made of the same thing. and so we've been exploring it. We still have not finalized anything with respect to black coatings and whether or not that we'll end up in a product again. But we do have some promising leads. As for Scrib Driver, yeah, we've talked about it

and the team wants to keep making them. I mean, they continue to sell really well. Like, how many Scribe drivers did we sell yesterday, for instance? Here, I'm going to check. I'm going to check. You guys can be privy. privy to this information yesterday was just a normal very normal day on the store like we didn't have any special promos running or anything like that so just like a run rate run rate kind of day and

oh man the report takes a little while to pull here we go scribe drivers so we moved like 30 scribe drivers yesterday so it like just sells it's a great value it's a great product um so the team's like, well, yeah, like, you know, this looks great on our, you know, quarterly reports and everything. It'd be tremendous if we could keep selling it. So I think the plan is to manufacture scribe drivers, even though the intention was that we would not even begin to dent the total number of fail shafts that we had making this product. I mean, we had 100,000 of them. And between scribe driver and another thing that we have planned that we're going to do a production run of with fail shafts before we probably have to switch that one over to fresh

manufacturing we're almost out of them so what a success i think that's really really cool because it shows that you can take a recycling project and turn it into something so profitable that it's worth doing beyond just recycling and uh just so you guys know we're going to try to give you guys a heads up when you'll have your last opportunity to grab a scribe driver before they become like not fail shafts like if you want one that is a piece of LTT failure history everything you order today will be a fail shaft from that manufacturer that boned us but at some point they will switch over so if you want to get a pencil or a pen we have both mechanical pencils and pens now for a scribe driver.

Now is a great time to get one and be sure that you will get a fail shaft. Hey, three musketeers, Linus. After finding to Homi podcast, I was wondering, are you still using Homi at home? If so, what have you been enjoying since installation? We'll hear this tomorrow on Spotify. Homie is super cool. and when I finally fix all my light switches and get everything sort of aligned, I may switch over to it, but as it was, we did the install and we did a bunch of tests with it.

It's like super awesome, but I already had what little I have working with home assistant, and so I have not switched my home installation. However, if nothing dramatically changes with, my home assistant situation, I may just go homey. We're also looking at potentially doing another house renovation project. This is something that is still very early stages. And if we were to do something that is not intended to be administered by someone who feels like doing it as a hobby, homie is something that I would strongly recommend. It seems like they are about making the

experience of bringing together disparate ecosystems actually palatable for people who don't want to make it their part-time job. LL, Andy, if you play, have you tried the ANO-117 beta? If so, what do you think? I didn't know there was one.

I'm going to have to try it, man. I got to tell you, I have not had practically any time for gaming and my cue of stuff I really want to play. Like, I haven't touched Clare Obscure yet. Like, in spite of it being apparently, like, the bestest RPG experience, like, ever or something. Yeah, I was going to say, honestly,

I don't know if I'm, I don't know if, honestly, either of us should play the beta. Yeah, I think I can wait. I think I can wait. With the amount of time that we have for games these days, I feel like I would leave versions of previous me to do the beta stuff, which is great. And I liked doing that stuff back then.

But right now, I will wait, I think. Works been just crazy lately. In no particular order, here's my games that I need to play on my, like, to-do list. The Outer Worlds, which I did put like an hour or two into, but I never really, like, got to get very deep into it. Fell Seal Arbiters Mark. Destroy all humans. 11. Oh my god, this is so funny. This is so old. I have play that Chinese game that's

basically Breath of the Wild. This was a you recommendation for Genshin. Wait, me, really? Yeah, because you were saying... I never even played Genshin. I know, but you were saying that, I think it was Jaden. You were saying was like really enjoying it back when it like first came out or something. Oh, Jonathan. Yeah, Jonathan. Yeah, it was someone from the float plane team. This is like five years ago now. So I have play Project Triangle Strategy, play Tie Fighter Total Conversion, play Rise of the Third Power, play RFL, play Risk of Rain 2 with Luke, Barrington recommended, play Reach the Future, Final Fantasy Tactics Mod, play that Final Fantasy game for Android, Final Fantasy Dimensions, play 8-bit Adventures, play 8-bit Adventures, the Forgotten Journey and sequel, play Octopath Travel, actually I played a little bit of Octopass Travel, I did not enjoy it, I'm ticking that off. Last Bell, a base defense game, play Unicorn Overlord, play Astillebra Revision, play Journey with Yvonne, try Manorlors, play Disco Elysium, play Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door, play Unraveled

2 with Yvonne. Oh, I finally did that one. Okay, that's one. Try Warcraft 2 remake and Warcraft 3. Play vellum with Yvonne. Play Halls of Torment. Play Drova, Dragon Quest HD remake. Oh, my God.

Play Claire Obscure. now we're getting into more current tri-puck game play beyond all reason um yeah so that's my that's my to-do list and that's not even just like the ones that are in my steam library but i haven't played yet things like i still haven't like finished doom eternal i only benchmark it yeah yeah work's been crazy lately man it's been all right it's all right to be clear I'm all right but like

yeah it has been pretty crazy it's been the um the views just deciding to go freaking haywire on us was not

not the best timing in the world I would say um I'm very tired but hey we're still here who's Svino in chat

is that Sven? Yeah oh okay can't believe you haven't played DQ11? What's DQ11? Oh, Dragon Quest. I've actually never played a Dragon Quest game. People play those?

I mean... Are they like popular, popular? I think they're pretty popular. Because that new like HD2D remake was like huge or something. Huh. Huh. And let's see. Is this one?

Hello. Last one I got for you today. Oh, dang. I tried to reply to the one, hi, Dan, before you got to it. Oh, sorry. I was going to be like, psych, it's me, Linus. Well, I guess it counts as a long-time viewer who was heavily inspired by you to try and start creating content as a passion project, what is the most actionable piece of advice you would wish you were told early on, much less than 3 LLD?

This is a super difficult question. I'm sorry to curate this. No, no, that's fine. I mean, I'd say that the advice that I wish I had back then is, actually really accessible now because the whole content creation as a career thing didn't exist when I started on YouTube, at least in the way that we think of what content creator means now, obviously creating any content makes you a content creator, but like online content creation was not a career when I first got started. And so, you know, there weren't really a ton

of trailblazers that came before me. There were some, you know, people, like Chris Perillo, people like I Justine, but nowadays there's so much conversation around, you know, what it takes to succeed that on the one hand, you know, the formula is really well understood.

You know, be yourself and engage with the audience and be persistent and always be, you know, evolving. And, you know, all these things that, you know, everyone knows because you can just go watch a Mr. Beast interview you, and he'll break it down for you. He's very transparent in terms of what it takes to succeed on the platform. It's just that the flip side of this coin is that the competition is so fierce now that it comes down to who can most expertly execute on that formula

and who can find a manner of engaging with that audience that lasts. Because that's the biggest challenge. I mean, I was talking about this a fair bit last week, and it was something that I was reflecting on a lot when we thought okay well that's it like you know falling off right our views are gone

then we turned around and had a couple you know 1.5 1.6 million view videos I'm like okay I guess meets back on the menu who knows right but I was thinking a lot

about you know if this was the end how privileged I've been to survive this long in this industry I really do think of it as survival there's not many people that and I've never been

you know at the S team or even the A plus tier, but there's not many people that have been at the B plus A minus tier like I have for this long. And it's a slog. So I guess I'll say this is the most actual piece of advice that even now most people don't like to talk about is that it is a fucking slog. We are not designed as creatures to have a one to this many relationship. and it is something that wears on you.

To have a spot glass on literally such an incredibly high percentage of your time by so many people all of the time and be expected to be perfect all of the time. And it's something that wears on the viewers as well. People grow, people change, people drift apart. And it's a weird relationship that as far as I can tell, has never existed before and who knows maybe we'll learn something from it and this type of dynamic will never exist again but you've got to be ready to grow a thick skin and understand

that like any job it's work don't romanticize it you have a job to do so you know when the numbers are bad or when a comment is discouraging you're just going to have to put your chin up and you're gonna have to just fucking figure it out because otherwise you will not survive period yeah just like this show will not continue to survive well this episode well we got the flow plane oh right it's top of the script i tried to outro the video and you didn't let me denied it will survive slightly longer sorry the top of the script uh yellow sorry i didn't unhighlighted very very top second line looks oh the flow plane that's the link that's the link wait so is it live or

you have to make it live okay that's the last thing you have to do tonight before you get to go home by the way you see that uh hacksmith's um uh oh man not not carry all carry all day day every day no fuck what it's Smith blade yeah no no not Smith blade the knife with the the pliers everyday carry what's it what's it called this category no no no no yeah is it everyday carry yeah everyday carry that's what i'm looking for so his everyday carry um kickstarter thing is over 10 million u.s. dollars now yeah for the smith blade yeah no i know the smith but that's not the category of product i just mean his thing that he's making yeah the smith blade the knife don't worry about it the point is dude over 10 million dollars for our

for our fellow bro content creator good for him it's so cool what an absolute freakie King, Chad. Great, great job, James. All right. And now it's time to promote our own shit. There it is. We spelled Finale wrong. You know what?

It doesn't matter. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no. Save. It's live. Go watch it. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.

Bye. It's 6 a.m. for me. I'm going to bed. Are we just got to You just got to close I get out of here We're not up flying yet Yeah

Okay Goodbye