The WAN Show - I Ordered My New iPhone - WAN Show September 12, 2025

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First time. Look, I'm almost 40. We got a great show for you guys today. Apple's event was actually maybe kind of exciting. It could just be that my excitement about the new AirPods Pro 3s is bleeding over into all the other products. That might be true, but they look really cool. Maybe the rest of them are crap, but the AirPods Pro 3s look pretty freaking awesome. in other news this week

the real self-driving was the friends we made along the way Tesla has changed the definition of full self-driving completely abandoning their promise of unsupervised autonomous driving we're talking about that later what else we got this week Nintendo gets another video game patent

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It's hard times. We have seven sponsors on the land show. we're gonna we're gonna spread them out a little bit though kind of sprinkle them here and there we need we need more uh like uh the product placement ones we need to just go full like uh sure we could wear like like Nike like headbands and stuff what's that movie oh man that movie with uh Ricky Bobby Remlins no not Ricky Bobby the music one the music movie La La Land was it also comedy talking about It was a comedy.

Walk hard? No, I have no details for anyone. You're a great... Waze World! There we go. Oh, my God. The music one. With like the Pizza Hut breaking the fourth wall talking, right to camera?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that every movie has music in it, right? Oh, I just whacked the bike. I'm sorry. You know... No, I met Wayne's World. We knew that so tired he's kind of drunk, Linus was fun.

but I don't think we knew that so tired he's kind of drunk Luke was this fun you're stupid today so for context I started my journey home at I think it was like 4 p.m. Thursday

Bulgarian time and I have been on various forms that means something to me of transportation ever since then completely non-stopped. Another great movie with music in it. Three planes, three trains, two Ubers, and one Emma picking me up from the airport. That was the chain of events that had to get me home.

And two of the planes were late. Nice. I think every single train was late. Two of them were late by like 50 minutes. The only answer is gamer plane and gamer train. I couldn't need it all Gamer car And gamer fire truck

You have the gamer van We got the fire truck bro And the fire truck Okay cool That's the only answer So road is already Taking care of Yeah

Oh okay where are we Apple product launch Apple is launching a ton of new products On September 19th They are all getting their new Square sensor Center stage front camp Okay I swear

I don't know if I ever said it in a video Or if I ever told you but I totally thought of this idea like ages ago. Did I ever talk to you about the idea of having a square sensor so that you could just like shoot landscape like this or so that you could just shoot square and then you could like prop it later

and it could just have safe zones on it or whatever? I don't know when you had that idea, but I remember this vaguely. I don't even care who had the idea first. I love that Apple is doing this. So their new selfie cams on the iPhone 17 lineup just allow you to go, oh yeah, I'm taking a version. vertical selfie, my friends who are paid by

me are now nearby. They don't want to get that close right now, apparently. Yeah, there we go. And boom, it'll just expand the frame and use additional sensor in order to fit the... Okay, it's powered by AI, Apple Intelligence,

which means it will probably suck for a bit. Yeah, I wonder what the AI is doing. Hopefully not much. Hopefully, very little. Yeah. And if it's doing, very, if all it's doing is recognizing human faces, which... Then sure. Realistically, machine learning has been pretty

good at for a minute or two. Very effective. Very good. Then I see that as just an outstanding feature. They all get the new ceramic shield two front glass. I mean, Apple's front glass has been for a while now. Original ceramic shield was already awesome. This new one, I mean,

presumably could only be better. But that's not necessarily true because we have seen cases where from one iteration of Corning Gorilla Glass to another, sometimes there are trade-offs. Like you gain some drop resistance, but you lose some scratch resistance and so on and so forth. They also, all, all the new iPhones start with 256 gigs of storage,

and even the base iPhone 17 is now 120 flipping hertz on the display. That's pretty sick. That brings them up to speed with cheap Android phones from years ago. But what it also does, if we can sort of put away the snarky hat for a minute, is it takes away the obstacles that many iPhone upgraders who are sitting there going, okay, when are they going to do it, when are they going to do it, when are they going to do it? I want those features that have been highlights of the pro series, but I want them on the regular iPhone because I don't want to spend $2,000 U.S. dollars on the top spec iPhone 17 Pro Max, I think is $2,000. what a name but it has two terabytes of storage in it that is absurd the lineup just honestly looks really good the only thing this this like a base model iPhone 17 though like actually looks pretty

killer i mean apple's SOCs have been just plain better for a very long time at this point eight gigs of ram is plenty for iOS even if we realistically do need more to run android really smoothly with heavy task switching uh 6.3 inch display 48 megapixel so yeah it's two 48 megapixel sensors on the back personally ah man oh this actually is tough one i was about to say i don't use my telephoto much but the times i use it boy do i ever like it so i shouldn't even say the times i use it because i don't have a telephoto i'm running a pixel nine a right now but yvonne on her s23 ultra had a really great telephoto and if we were at a kid's concert or whatever her phone was the only one of ours that was even remotely useful. So having a telephoto lens when

you need it can be pretty nice. Up to 30 hours of video playback, $800. That's a lot of money. It is a lot of money. Especially for a base model. But it is the current gen phone, which gets one more year of product support compared to if you buy a last gen one for less. And it's not more than last year. It's the same starting price as last year, but we get a 120 hertz display. We get more storage. So I'm not even in a, in a world where basically everything is going up in price. Yeah, it's like the sequel to water world. It's just inflation world.

Starring Kevin Costner, whose sense of self-importance has inflated at the same level of as money over the last 30 years. To be clear, to be clear, I don't hate Kevin Costner. I just, I just think he seems to think he's a lot more relevant than he is, that's all. I have no idea. I would watch Water World 2, though. He starred in one super amazing film, Dances with Wolves, that I watched as a child and didn't understand because I was a kid. Sure.

And then, um, and then he was in that movie with Ashton Coucher that I thought was solidly okay. What movie is that? I don't remember. It involved like, rescuing people, I think, and a helicopter. Can't remember. Scrappy D.P. says he wants to own Montana. That wouldn't even necessarily surprise me that much.

The Guardian. The Guardian. Yeah, I found it, yeah. Oh, this guy. Oh, this guy, he says about Kevin Costs me. How do you, how do you, how do you avoid? I think the people genuinely want to know. How do you avoid knowing about celebrities? I just, because they're like, they're everywhere.

care. I just, like, deeply don't care. But they're everywhere. I think that's why, though, is I just, I have a rather intense level of lack of care. So I'll, like, recognize her face a little bit. Right. But, like, I don't know. Right. So you know which one is Kevin Costner, right? You know? Yeah. So you know who Ashton Cutcher is then? Uh, in the photo. Oh, man. Anyway. I forgot. And then I was like, oh, yeah, this is, he did the, like, that, that TV show, that 70 show or whatever? he's on there right yeah yeah yeah him and the rapist the rapist oh yeah you don't know about that no yeah see yeah it was a whole thing i don't follow yeah don't worry about it yep um

so the most controversial new iPhone is of course the iPhone air it uses the a 19 pro processor so it uses the same chip as the 17 pro it has 12 gigs of RAM, like the 17 Pro. It has a 6.5 inch display, which is kind of in between the 17 Pro and the 17 Pro Max, but it does give up some things. So it has a 48 megapixel single main camera, rather than having multiple shooters.

It has the new C1X modem, which we don't know if that's giving something up or gaining something. Yeah, we'll see. If I had to guess, I'd say that, and I could 100% be wrong about this. If I had to guess, I'd say the C1X is super efficient, but maybe compromises somewhere else where the full-sized phones with their full-sized batteries didn't need to.

If it was just raw better, I feel like they would put on other ones, but I also feel like this is kind of like an experimental device to a certain degree. It is e-sim only and only boasts 27 hours of video playback rather than 30 for the iPhone 17, 33 for the 17 Pro, and a whopping 39 hours. for the 17 pro max um there are some extra benefits maybe so this was something that is always fun to watch apple do you remember when they went of unapologetically plastic and then they were like actually five plastic plastic's fucking stupid like immediately after that and just pretended that never

happened oh yeah yeah you remember that okay so do you remember how on their pro models Apple leaned super hard into titanium. iPhone's titanium. You know, like they're titanium. Yeah. Okay. So that happened. And then,

and then the new iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max came out. It's a song. Okay. What song is that? It's called titanium. What do you think it's called? to be honest. David Gwena or Gweda or whatever it is.

See, I don't know. Like, I just... Okay, but let's back up again. You see images and read words, right? Oh, right. Dyslexic. See, like, I can't... I can't not know what a song is called or who it's by

because it just, like, it shows up and I read it. Okay, but I just... I don't think I've listened to that song. I know some songs There's no way you've not heard this song There's actually It's completely impossible That you have never heard this song

If you plan we're gonna get more ad It's worth it From you talking about the guy on 70 show It's worth it I don't even care Okay yeah Well yeah Anyway What are we supposed to be talking about?

But you like all the like top 40 slop stuff I don't listen to it that much You just called Cia Slop lot. Sia? That's extremely disrespectful. Who's Sia?

It doesn't matter. She was the, you know, song whatever, whatever on My Little Pony, and she's great. Okay. I don't remember her character name, but she's on my little pony. Anyway. So the point out, man, chat, that you guys are, you guys are rough. Someone's like, I loved Sia, loved her music.

someone's like she's still alive guys okay you know what it's fine the point is that apple leaned super heavily into titanium for their marketing for their pro phones yeah and then this time around they leaned super hard into aluminum they were all like dude really aluminum has so much thermal performance it's like so much better than titanium aluminum is great you guys are going to love it aluminum Oh by the way On the iPhone air It's titanium

I was just going to say The air is titanium And I'm just I'm kind of sitting here Going like Can Apple just Can they just Can they get some consistency

Can they please Get some consistency In their marketing For these materials Can you just Can you just say We put titanium On the pro phones before

Because it's really shiny and hard glistening even you might say right and then can you just say you know aluminum's still good like that would have been fine too but this titanium it has a nice finish and it's super shiny like if you just told us exactly what it was it looks awesome and you didn't wank it off so hard in the first place then it wouldn't be so embarrassing every time you have to backtrack and use a different material um so yeah the iPhone air uses titanium presumably because it is so flipping thin i don't know whoops how it's even possible that my notes don't include the thickness i believe it's 5.4 millimeters though uh 5.64 millimeters that that is nuts that is wild that is like i can't wait to get it

in my hands. Finally, I'll have a phone that fits. Does it feel whack that it has an enormous camera bump that's, like, thicker than the phone? Um, I mean, it's no different, yes, yes, and, and I can see why it's a controversial device. I can see why it's really polarizing, but I do think that there are going to be people that it appeals to, and I'm, I'm excited just to sort of marvel at the thinness. It looks super cool. I mean, it's not...

Of some of the phone? Yes. Yes. Why don't they just make like half of it two mills thick and go like world's Finest phone and then most of it is just that big? Why don't you just join the podcast if you're going to talk all the time? Shut up. Technically that's not what I said.

Technically I invited him to join the podcast. Let the record show. You did so aggressively though. It wasn't very inviting. That's just how I talked to people. You invited someone. It's true. Look, I really like being friends with you.

I do believe that. it's something I value it's something I value. Come over tomorrow. Okay. So where were we? Okay, I'm excited to check it out. I'm a little less excited about the 17 and the 17 Pro and the 17 Pro Max.

But they are far from the biggest disappointment. I think the biggest disappointment sort of broadly in the tech community is where the fuck is a replacement for the mini we haven't gotten a new mini since what was it 12 or 13 Dan do you remember does anyone know let me let me know in the chat I believe it was either iPhone 12 or 13 generation 13

so it's been four freaking years people who are still rocking minis like Andrew in the camera department loves his mini and he's just like yep it's getting a little long in the tooth Anytime now, Apple, give me a new mini. And personally, even though that one is sort of more broadly upsetting to people, I'm actually bummed that the iPhone 17 plus isn't a thing.

Because I thought the 16 plus was a great middle ground. It gave me the bigger screen that I wanted, but it didn't give me any of the paying a couple hundred U.S. extra dollars for things that I don't really need that the pro had. so if there was a 17 plus that would honestly be the one that I would be most interested in this generation especially now that it has 120 hertz refresh rate and yeah that's probably the only thing that I was really missing out on with the 16 plus when I did my daily driver challenge so we're actually going to mix up the daily driver challenge this time around the title of WAN show today is I bought my iPhone and I did but I bought all three and so what I'm going to do is I'm going to use all the pockets in our awesome cargo pants from lTT store.com and i'm going to carry them all and i'm going to see which one i gravitate toward so we'll do all the unboxings on short circuit and then basically i'm going to see which one

do i actually enjoy using the most interesting yeah because i literally don't know i don't know if the air is going to entice me could you dupe your sim Okay. So the air is ESIM only. That's interesting. So theoretically I believe yes. But generally speaking, I use my cellular connection almost not at all. And what I've been doing over the last little while, actually, because I've had, I've had more issues with Graphene OS. Okay. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use it. It just means that I think I'm done with it. I might be kind of screwed anyway. I've been trying to diagnose it over the last couple of days. Well, I mean, I might be able to just repair it. I don't know, but the USB port on my phone might be like super dying. Bummer. Yeah.

I mean, do you need it? Wireless charging? Oh. Like, I don't know. Clap sync. I have literally zero of those. I mean, get some. There's this thing.

I could join the new age. It can be exchanged for goods and services. Like it's, I'd prefer to not. Yeah, I know. I know. Oh, my God. Do you know how many people think that you are, like, destitately poor? Oh, I'm good.

Because of, like, the way they... I'm doing fine. I know. I know. They don't. Anywho. I don't mind plugging something in. I don't know.

That's, I don't, this doesn't feel like a... Me neither. I actually, I actually plug in everything to. Yeah, like, I don't, I, I don't know. Yeah. I do find, um, some of the, like, mag, what is the name of it on? Android. Because MagSafe for iPhone, right? Yeah, I don't know. Whatever the magnetic one is for sure. Picks or snap. I think that is kind of neat in some

applications. Yeah, it is. I could see that. But it's great for the car. Yes, but almost nowhere that I would actually have my phone. Yeah. So like, I haven't really cared. Because I'm going to sleep, I can plug my phone in. I mean, really not a big deal. Honestly, I'm the same. Like Apple, like, so many of the sort of the Apple user reasons why I should, I should, accept nothing less than an iPhone. They don't resonate with me, and MegSafe is definitely one of them. I have Android Auto and CarPlay in my car,

so I just put my phone down, or I just leave it in my pocket. It's wireless in both of our family, main family vehicles now, so I don't need to charge my car. Man, battery life on the Pixel 9A and on the latest iPhones is, like, so good. I'm at 75%.

Pixel, yeah. The 9A specifically has just flipping outstanding battery life. I've heard great things about the 9A specifically from like a ton of people. It is not a perfect phone. No. But the battery life is great. It's outstanding. Best I've ever seen on an Android.

Okay, what are your downsides? Because that's, I care about very little outside of battery life these days. It's just kind of a butthead sometimes. It's just kind of like dumb sometimes. Like I'll go to do... Is that just a pixel problem? I held down for voice and it's like, oops, something went wrong. And it's like, Why? Why do you just randomly do that a lot of the time? It's just not perfect. That's all.

And whenever I'm recommending... It sounds like it might just be pixel issues. Well, it might be. It might also be that I'm using Swift Key. And, you know, someone... No one at any point ever tried Swift Key on a pixel and noticed, oh, hey, this doesn't work. We should probably work with our partner, Microsoft, and or Google to address it. Like, whatever. So I just...

It's not perfect. I do get some buggy behavior, so make of that what you will. But the battery life is great. Back to Graphene OS for a second. Oh, no. I just, it's really cool. And my God, is it ever snappy? Like, it's so responsive.

Battery life also outstanding. Like, this is the one I've got my sim in right now, and it's at 99% today. and I have I have used it today but very little but I have used it and it's like just it just at idle it's like sips power it's it's just it's everything that a pixel already was but like it's more secure and it's and it's kind of snappier and more responsive

it's just that when you go to do something new that you haven't done before like say for example same thing uh if i wanted to use voice dictation in order to do something i might have to hold this button where it will say voice typing uh to use voice input you must download and install google voice search download it takes me to google by google lcc and it's installed so i click uh i don't know i go i go i go i go i go back and then i i don't know i try again and then it uh download and oh no not that okay hold on wait there's a thing in between. Oh, I'll try the download there. No, wait, that just brings me back here. And I could

solve this. I'm sure I could solve this. I mean, I have a Graphene OS team member in my Discord that I can. So it's like a Linuxism. I probably will ask how to solve this. But it takes a special sort of person to feel like fucking solving something like that instead of just using their phone. And, and you know what? Sometimes I'm that kind of person. But for my phone, I don't think I am, at least not anymore, at least not right now. And for me, where my privacy is quite compromised already, which isn't to say that this is the right answer for you. Yeah. I just, I'm not sure if I, yeah, I'm not, I'm not sure if I feel like it right now. Because remember, too, the issue is that I switch phones all the time

I can't have like it be a hassle every time I go to do something on for hardware reviewer Linus it might not be like I've got I've got at least I still haven't done the fold seven because I've been putting it off because I've been kind of forcing myself

to wade through this sort of graphino S thing and I think I think this is it what what I think this is it. You think what's it? This is it?

This. Oh, is this your iPhone sets? Sorry, what are you doing? Oh, you're popping your sim out. Yep. I've had the sim in the Graphene OS phone. I think this is, I think this is it. And to be clear, like, we'll, you know, we'll give it a fair shake.

Jordan's going to be working on the video with me, so it'll be partly, like, my notes. And just because, like he already said, I'm just going to reiterate here, just because it might not be for Linus, has nothing to do with it being for you or not. he is a very unique user of phones it is extremely probable that his style is not yours and there are things that I enjoyed about it a lot I just think it's it's not right for me at this moment have you thought about trying Lineage OS as well because I was thinking it could be interesting to look at your like note 9

with Linea JoS or something I wouldn't mind it I wouldn't mind giving it a shot I think that for me the well-maintained with tens of millions install-based Androids already have a lot of problems with interoperability And the issue with Android The issue with Android generally

Is it not the everyday stuff? It's the edge cases And it's the and it's the infinite customizability is sort of both its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. Like, one of the things that irritated me about my GraphinoS Pixel 9A,

not to be confused with my other Pixel 9A, is screenshot sharing just kind of blows. Oh. And I could go find a third-party tool for that. But, like, as it is right now, right? What's your flow for screenshot? When I grab a screenshot, okay, so I go to share, and then, okay, I go to edit,

I'm just a boomer. And then I... Okay, so now I can crop, right? So I'm in the interface where I can, like, crop and do stuff. Where the fuck is my share button? There's no share button in this interface. So on my pixel that is running a pixel OS, I take my screenshot, I go to share,

and then if I want to edit it, I can, like, edit, and then I can share it immediately, because that was what I intended to do. So there was more consideration for the user intent. And I can obviously save and then go share this, but it's an unnecessary extra step. And why? How about I just don't?

The other thing is that you can share it and then it just like won't save to your gallery. Because I don't want this forever. Or I can save it and share it. I have the option as part of that flow on here. Okay. Um, and so yeah, like, any of this stuff can be fixed, but I personally, as someone who takes a lot of screenshots, does a lot of quick markup and shares things with a lot of people, I really appreciate quick features for cropping, marking up. Like, one thing that drives me crazy on the pixel is that the default text color, uh, or the default color of scribbles is blue. And there doesn't appear to be an obvious way to change it. Why would the default be blue markup

like whatever the word I'm looking for standard markup color is red so it should probably just be red you're probably just trying to be trendy and cool or something I don't know I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here but maybe and maybe there is a way

to change the default but I would really I would really rather that it was red as my default markup color and so strong markup tools and then easy access to like a really good sharing menu that's really smart about who it recommends to me. It means a lot to me.

I don't use that menu because I find that even on proper Android, it is so dumb. Yeah, it's really obtuse. Yeah. Like... I find it a lot faster to not use that menu. Probably 60% of the time I send a screenshot to anyone. It's to Yvonne and WhatsApp, but often she will fall off the most recent... Which is crazy.

Which is, it seems like the kind of thing that Google could more use. usefully apply AI to. Who am I more likely to be sending this to? Some person that I have texted once in the last six months or my wife, who I often share things to. Anyway, we've gotten way off the rails here. Let's talk about AirPods Pro 3s. These make me sad, and I'll explain why after we go through it.

Up to two times active noise canceling performance. Now, I don't know exactly what that means, because you've got to remember that like decibels are not a linear measure and our perceived loudness of sounds is highly contextual depending on what else is going on around us. So what 2x means, I don't know. But what I do know is that the performance, comfort, and especially the natural soundingness of the AirPods Pro 2s,

is already awesome and if these are that but more betterer I am stoked in other news the earphones are even smaller which as someone who sleeps with my AirPods Pro 2's in every night I actually own two pairs because I've been

waking up in the middle of the night so much that I'll like put in my ones that are charged now oh did I mention that they're claiming two more hours of battery so that'll be nice because it means it's more less likely that I will get a longer uninterrupted sleep.

I have a weird take, but... Oh, you use AirPods Force. Yeah. Okay. But like the ones without the ear insert. Yeah, that's the AirPods Force. Sure, yeah. Making it clear to people that might not know the model differentiation.

Without the silicone tips. Yeah. Yeah. These are shorter now than the threes were, or some other previous version. Yeah, the stems. I do this. You do what?

When I don't currently want them in my ear. That is insane. this was a lot easier to do when they were longer that is actually unhinged i can i can i can stash them here literally nobody agrees with you legitimately stay there they love they love siding with you instead of me but this is a step too far they they will stay there no our worksman says luke is not based i think he is based it because he's a turkey i'm really surprised how negative people react dude that is turkey behavior why I this is one of those things where if I have to explain it you're not capable of understanding it

I don't get it though why explain it anyways try oh my god okay the risk of loss never lost any super high never lost I didn't say that you will lose it I said the risk of I can't do it with these but with the ones that had the longer stem I could like lay down and do bench presses with them stashed there and they would they would stay no matter what you're you're an actual sociopath. I don't get it. That's the only explanation. I've never lost one that way. And I've done it so much.

Kifrig says... Someone just tried and said, wow, it actually stays on quite well. Yeah, it does. Kifrick said that's not so bad. Jade de Duval says that's actually insane. So, you know what? At the very least, I can say

that's a polarizing choice. Let's get back to... Let's get back to the AirPods Pro 3s. Makes me sick Everyone's going to unsubscribe Are there Any internal transfers For positions available

You know I do this I've done this in the gym with you So Okay In other news The AirPods Pro 3s are getting a new Fifth size of ear tip A double XS

Which is going to be great for kids So these are like Guys, okay hold on Oh my God, we're coming back to this. That's not how I, like, wear them. That's how I stash them if I'm not currently using them. I feel like you're... If I need to take it on my ear to listen to someone, I'll put it there.

I feel like you're trapped in the me arguing with people about American cheese loop right now. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Okay. One person is going to say something like that, and then you're going to respond to it. And then everyone else is going to hear only where I, I, them, and they're going to run with it. And then you're going to be stuck in this loop where all you ever said was that not American cheese regular cheese is perfectly meltable

and people are going to run in completely completely different directions and think that you hate hot dogs so yeah let's just let's move on from this topic this will be great for kids because like on a plane or whatever

when when you that's the that's I'm trying to think we never did it in restaurants we've only occasionally done it in the car I think that's like the iPad parenting time for me is on the plane. We'll just give the kids the phone, give them the iPad, give them the headphones. There's three of them, right? The plane is acceptable. So they sit in their own row. We're not even there. Sure. And we just have a flight by ourselves.

What's the alternative? They just watch movies anyways. So, so yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be great because I've got, I've got little girls and they have little ears and smaller ear tips is going to be awesome. Not that I thought that I'm going to get my kids the new ones Anyways, they're going to get my hand-me-downs, so whatever. But they've got a new ultra-low-noise microphone, apparently. Multi-Port acoustic architecture. So does that mean they have multiple drivers? I'm actually not sure.

I haven't looked into them that much yet. I'm not working on my video yet because we don't get early access to Apple Hardware. New H-2 chip, heart rates are actually, I don't think that's new. I think that's the same one. Heart rate sensing, though. So for people who work out, this could be useful, I guess, if you don't want to wear a watch. I guess there's some moves you wouldn't want to watch on for, right? For sure.

Um, I would, I like this, actually. I think that's very cool. This is one of the things that, like, I was like, oh, I'm sad about this. I'm sad about this because I can't get the pros. Right. Because he doesn't like silicone. Yeah, they just squish themselves out of my ears because I have weird ear canals. But, um, yeah, it's, that's actually really cool feature.

Not that I necessarily think you're going to go around, like, um, some people are talking about how this is better because you can do it without your phone on you. I think this is specifically, I saw comments about that. and I was genuinely confused. I think this is specifically so that you don't have to have your watch on you. And I would prefer to wear as few accessories as possible when I'm out doing stuff. So it being able to be measured through your earbuds is pretty neat. Most importantly, they are IP 57 now, so they're like super sweatproof and water resistant and are the same price.

So Apple seems to be kind of, of just sucking it up on their higher costs in order to capture some market share right now, which feels like an uncharacteristically aggressive Apple. Like they're almost coming across a little, still in the most Apple way possible, but they're coming across a little scrappy here, which I kind of like. I think it's pretty cool. Do we expect them to put a removable battery in them any time soon? No.

Nope. Go fuck yourself. They're still Apple. But the AirPods Pro 3s, those were an immediate order for me when I saw them. Some people are saying that the new ear tips are foam and silicone and that they have some new, yeah, thing. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it a shot, but probably not. I can give it a shot. I don't think it's going to work for you if there's any kind of silicone slippage. Yep, I agree. There's some new watches. Who cares? Let's move on to a new topic. I mean, does anyone love the Apple Watch? Apple Watch feels more like just a complete, it's like a mini, the minivan of Apple products. It's like I got the Apple Watch because I have everything else.

I need notifications when my hands are dirty. Or like I got it from my grandpa because he might slip and fall. It just feels like, okay, people in chat, they love their Apple watch. The fitness stuff is that, yeah, someone said fitness slash outdoors people. The fitness stuff is actually wild. I've just. The Apple Watch is like the king of that. I gave up completely when my Apple Watch series something or other

congratulated me for my excellent bike ride while I was driving down the highway. I was just like, well, this is just obviously stupid. You're biking really fast. Yeah, biking really fast and my heart rate is a very relaxed resting heart rate. Like, can we, like I just, I would rather personally, I would rather have no data than have bad data that I can't trust. I just don't care about it. You can't really trust any of them, but it's

heart rate stuff. The last time I looked into it, which was a very long time ago, was better than like everybody's and by a long shot, which is interesting. Okay. Yeah. Maybe it's worth giving another shot. I really wish we were able to make that, that video way back in the day. Do you remember that? That project I was trying to do with UBC? I think we've talked about it online show before where we they had like a lab where we could hook up all the real all the real probes

and then like wear all the fitness trackers and see which ones were the most accurate but then for whatever reason they weren't able to do it so it didn't happen but i'd love to revisit the concept i think others have done it since then though probably so i don't think it would be a novel thing yeah um okay what are we supposed to be doing now you want to you want to pick a topic It says topic two. Sure. We can do this Corsair one, or we can jump down into, oh, the Nintendo one might take a bit. Do we have the Anthropic settlement in here?

Oh, we didn't. No, we don't have that this week, guys. Sorry, but that's interesting. Go look it up on your own, I guess. The AI news is fast, heavy, and always very similar. I don't think it's good to cover like every single time. I don't know if this one's that similar. I don't know what this one is.

No, this one's kind of a big deal. Oh, okay. Yeah, Anthropic agree. Fine, we'll just go through it now. Anthropic agreed to pay $1.5 billion to settle claims that it downloaded pirated books to train its AI systems. And this has... Who are they paying the money to? Oh, wait, that was eight days ago.

And then three days ago from Reuters, a federal judge in San Francisco has declined for now to approve the settlement that we're was announced Friday. So stuff's going down. And my understanding is that because they settled and it never went to trial, this wouldn't be a precedent. And so the matter is still unresolved of like copying copyrighted works to train your AIs. And if you should, you know, probably have your company just shut down because it was built on other people's copyrighted works or maybe what you're doing is so transformative and terribly important that maybe we just should not care about copyright in this case. Those are kind of the two camps on either end and it is unresolved, which will be the law of the land for the time being. Yeah, because I can understand the argument

of like national security stuff. I don't know if like it's important for national security that it reads like werewolf smut I don't know Hold on one sec Float plane chat You'll need to calm down Or I'm going to start issuing

Timeouts to all of y'all Oh what's going on? Thank you don't worry about it All right Okay Should we maybe do The Corsair loss Class action

Lawsue Yeah Because I I am pretty Peaved about this There's a Canadian one For bread by the way Okay

but that one I'm not upset about. So, ah, man, this is, dude, I am like, ugh, I hate this. Okay, so here, Corsair Gaming had to pay $5.5 million dollars

to settle a claim, shut up, to settle a claim of effectively false advertising on their DDR4 and DDR5 memory products. Plaintiffs, there's a bit of editorialization here,

and blood-sucking lawyer leeches claimed that consumers reasonably believe that Courser memory will run at the advertised speeds but in reality, the memory does not and cannot run at these advertised speeds out of the box. Trying to get Corsair memory to run at the advertised speed requires altering your computer's firmware to attempt to make the memory run at higher than standard speeds.

This is known as overclocking, and overclocking often does not work. There is substantial risk that attempts to overclock will fail, all of which is technically true, but in this case, I don't actually think it's the best kind of true. Also from the complaint, plaintiff and class members were injured as a direct and proximate result of Corsair's conduct because, A, they would not have purchased Corsair high-speed memory if they had known that Corsair would breach its warranty, and B, they overpaid for high-speed memory products because they are sold at a price premium due to

corsair's false warranty and in this case warranty doesn't mean that they fix it if it's broken they they warrant that it will operate the way that it says on the box the complaint states numerous times that consumers expect those speeds out of the box but this appears to me even though this is a settlement and therefore not like an established precedent um this seems to me to open up an entire can of worms and make it pretty difficult to advertise a lot of things that require some technical know-how in order to get the sort of the advertised result like am i am i missing something here like do you guys think i'm off base here because basically every memory manufacturer is now at risk

of either not being able to advertise what the sort of the overclocked capable because the RAM itself is capable of the speeds that much is that much is certain and I you know from my point of view they label XMP or DOCP or Expo profiles or whatever else pretty clearly I also think that it's really weird to go after like Corsair for this very specifically when it's everybody if you're buying Corsair though you know, I would, I would think at the very least you read an article once. I mean, maybe this is one of those things where I often, I'm often lecturing the audience about don't assume sort of the knowledge of even people who, who participate in this, in this hobby, but like, good Lord. Avon Fox said in industrial applications, sorry, in industrial automation things are sold with actual and theoretical capability ratings. That's kind of neat. Or showing like a default and a potential. Yeah, I mean, I guess. But I don't, I kind of agree with you that I don't think this should have been targeted at Coursera specifically.

But like, okay, so if a Seuss has a 165 hertz, okay, no, let's go, let's go bleeding edge. If, if a Seuss has a 480 hertz monitor, how much do they have to disclaim? That's tricky, yeah. do they have to disclaim that you're going to need a GPU and a cable that will actually be able to run at that like you you're putting together a computer piecemeal red bull doesn't actually give you wings thing i think there's a bit of an expectation that if you are buying a a constituent component of something that you are doing so with some expectation that you will acquire the knowledge to install and operate it i i'm sorry man i don't like this

I at this level with the explanation that I have heard so far I don't like it either I wouldn't mind if there was maybe some minor changes to packaging like it's a bit of a meme like going to your friend's house and freaking out that his monitor is still 60 hertz is like a thing so if there was like a little bit better explanation of of this type of stuff finding people's RAM is at default speeds

is very common as well this is true um like if there was a little bit more explicit communication that could be cool but i don't i don't necessarily know that it was worth this and i don't think it makes any sense to target just corsair other manufacturers apparently do use terminology like up to to describe the frequencies that their memory kits will run at um but i mean this seems to be corsair has also denied any wrongdoing here and this seems to be a yet another case where the defendant settles, knowing that the settlement will be less than the cost of litigating it or the potential negative publicity if they are found guilty. I think this is lame still. And I think that while

I mean, you know, frankly, I don't have a ton of sympathy for publicly traded corporations that probably have plenty of money or whatever, in general, Corsair's kind of been bros. You know, I think they've overall stood behind their products and been pretty chill. Their products can be expensive sometimes. But I don't think that Corsair has been particularly evil. So if there was someone that was going to kind of get picked on, I would much rather it be someone that's been kind of a bastard at some point or another. And I just don't think that Corsair has earned.

you know a five and a half million dollar hit to their pocketbook for frankly something that people could have looked up on Wikipedia before they went and installed a component product in something I don't like it Dan what's next I'm not sure because like I've got an extra sponsor's thing that I'm supposed to throw somewhere and I don't know where to put it well they didn't wait this wasn't planned out I don't know I don't know I thought it was just planned out. Dude, it's WAN show. I haven't figured it out yet. It's a good point. It's the red-headed stepchild of Linus Media Group media properties. Like, it's...

I've been doing other things. I wasn't even sure if you're going to make it tonight. That's, yeah. Oh, yeah, how close were you? Dude. Like, did you just walk on the set before I got here? Like, five, ten minutes. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Also, there was... The street could have been broken today? I should maybe tell this story right now. Dude, you could have been on a plane. No, you're going to tell it after we do like one of the sponsors, I guess. Two, two sponsors.

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Oh. Okay. I don't think we should do the CW announcements right after we did a sponsor spot. Well, that's... We really need to give some parts of this. Luke has to talk about his thing. Luke has to talk about his thing. Well, then why did you put the sign there? You should put a sign that says Luke talk about his thing.

I don't have any more card paper. Okay. We don't have the budget for that. You guys make me sound like such a cheap... Honestly, though. I'm glad he said it. I mean, no, you're not. We love you.

You're so reasonable. When was the last time I turned down a purchase request? Name it. Maybe I was lying to cover my laziness. I literally buy fire trucks for the memes. Oh, hold on. Never mind. I take it all back. I have a giant stack right here.

Sorry, we lost the budget to have a producer cam right now. Okay. Do I talk about the trip? Sure. Did you fall? Yeah. No. Actually, never.

And I climbed a mountain, so hell of yeah. Nice. Yeah, no, I was in Sofia, Bulgaria. Right. Oh, that's the kind of mountain you were climbing. Oh. No, he wasn't. He's loyal.

Yeah. Oh, or not. You know what? Whatever happens with full consent from all parties, I don't judge. That would still be loyal. It's a dame. Sure. But, yeah, loyal and faithful.

I guess they're not quite. the same thing. Correct. Yes. Would it still be faithful if it was like Yes. Okay.

No, I think faithful has a connotation of... Is it like specifically religious? No, no, no, no. I think, well, faithful has a connotation of 2-1

from my point of view. I was thinking faithful to wishes and understandings. Yeah, exactly. Not and loyal. It's just like now there's like there's like 15 other people i completely regardless and no none of that happened

anyways look i i wouldn't judge i wouldn't judge that's all anyways i was there yeah local time so luke was in sophia yes yes local time for them uh i left at i think it was 5 p.m 5 p. okay so this is in belgium hungary where was it again bulgaria bulgaria right and it had a i had a i had a pretty tight connection, but it would be fine. Yeah. Theoretically. As long as nothing got delayed, I would be landing back in Munich. Yeah.

And then taking a train overnight up to Berlin and then flying back to Vancouver through her connection. Vancouver. I hardly know her. My God. It was not whiz air. It was Lafanza. Yeah. Anyways.

Because of course, it needed to be. a fairly tight connection to the train the flight got delayed because of course it did because of course it did it was only delayed by 25 minutes i still could make it yeah it was going to be close yeah and it was those can be the worst ones sometimes though because then they don't proactively reschedule you oh no the plane and the and the train were booked separately so they didn't care at all nice um because of course i'd even ask because there's no way they're going to care um so my whole thing thing, like as we're landing, is like, okay, it's close. We can definitely make it. I know the train station is extremely easy to navigate. So once I get to the train station from the airport,

no problem. Not an issue. I can have like two minutes and I can run all the way to the train and get on the train. It's no problem. But I needed, I had check luggage. So I need the check luggage to come off like pretty quick. Oh, no. No. Why is it always last when you're in a Hurry. Guess how long? 20 minutes. Just from when we landed to my bag, which by the way, was in the first three bags to come off. Guess how long it took from my bag to come out from when the plane landed?

You realize the only solution is Gamer Jet. 55 minutes. What? It's the longest I've literally ever had to wait when there wasn't some type of like accident. There was genuinely like hundreds of people waiting. in the baggage area for two carousels. I have no idea what was happening. I don't know if they were like short staffed that day or something, but it took forever.

It was crazy. So I definitely missed my train. I had like pre-booked the heck out of my ticket because you save a ton of money that way. And I had a direct- He likes saving money. It's great. I had it all perfectly planned out. It's actually, I think what gets them off.

A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. So I had a direct train too, so I knew I could, get a decent sleep on the train um oh no so not only did i have to get a indirect train so i had to get a transfer but also i had to book now last minute so i had to pay expensive train prices um so i i couldn't like sleep properly so anyways so far we are one uber one flight in end up figuring out that i can't take my nice one train now i have to take two trains to So I get to the train station.

I'm like, okay, this train is leaving in like, you know, in 45 minutes, it's going to take me half an hour to get to the train station. I can make this new train now. It'll be fine. I get there. Okay, the train's delayed by like 15 minutes. That's fine, though. Okay, the train's delayed by like half an hour. That's fine now.

Get on the train? Oh, while the train is rolling, for some reason it gains another half an hour of delay. So it gets to the next train station. an hour late, I'm all worried because I'm like, I'm going to miss the next train. I had an hour to get, I had an hour at the next train station to transfer. And now I have like four minutes or something. And I'm like, oh my God, if it's in a weird spot, I'm going to miss my next train. No, not a problem because the next train got delayed by an hour. What is happening? What is up with German transportation? I heard this as like a meme before I went there. Everything's just delayed all the

time as far as I can tell. While I was standing in the train station, getting off my train that was delayed for an hour, waiting for another train that was delayed for an hour, I heard other trains announcing that they were delayed. Like crazy. Oddly enough, the trains were extremely comfortable, very nice. Just never there on time. Right. Anyway, so that train gets delayed for an hour, so then I'm waiting for it anyways, despite thinking that I was going to miss it. Get into Berlin, take another train to get me from the main train station in Berlin to the airport, and then that flight takes me to Frankfurt, and then that flight takes me to Vancouver. And then I get picked up from the airport by Emma and brought here. So it was,

it was three cars, three trains, three planes, and like 30 plus hours. And I got to Wancho on time. By 10 minutes. By 10 minutes. Nice. Did I ever tell you about how I almost got stuck in L.A. when we went down there to collab with Kyle? I don't think so Canada like didn't have enough air traffic controllers Whoa So a bunch of flights into YVR were delayed So my flight was cancelled

And then I was I like immediately went to the Air Canada desk Where they told me There's nothing we can do You can have a flight tomorrow Which I said was not good enough Because my daughters were having seven teeth out The next morning between the two of them

And they were super stressed I promised I'd be there um so they said okay well i don't know whatever you can call the phone lines because they can do more than we can so i call the phone line they tell me yeah i've got a flight for you i go oh my god thank god okay uh vance so the executive assistant here uh don't bother booking me that west jet flight that you found um air canada has a flight for me then she goes oh yeah can you depart from this airport i'm like bro i just told you i'm at lax that is literally three hours from here in LA traffic right now

and it's 45 minutes until the flight how could you possibly think that I could make it okay Vance book it Vance goes oh yeah by the way it went up like $400 because everyone is rebooking it's like going up by the minute I'm like oh my God book it and so he books it

I spend $1,200 on a plane ticket from L.A. to Vancouver and then the Air Canada rep goes actually I've got one for you and instead of being a connecting one through like Edmonton or something it's a direct flight but it's like later in the day then that flight gets delayed so I'm sitting here at the airport the one that Glenn or one of our shooters got booked for um was canceled again in the in the like mid afternoon and then my

evening one left an hour late but ultimately I like did get here I surprised Yvonne by being an intruder in our house and coming into the bedroom I told her I wasn't going to make it home that night so I just showed up oh my god Man, I just... My flight's to Germany for this trip. Yeah. I was talking to Sammy about it because I got my two tickets.

Yeah. And my second one, so once we landed in... Man, I don't even remember where our first landing was, but once we landed there, I didn't have a seat on the second plane. Oh, my God. Oh, right. And they overbooked it. I almost didn't get on to the flight.

So because she sent me my booking confirmation by email, so I thought I had a ticket so when I got to the counter I didn't tell the best part of the story when I got to the counter they like I didn't have a seat because I never checked in because I was already there at the airport

and I just I thought that my booking confirmation was a ticket I didn't understand the difference I'd never done that before and so I like showed them my booking confirmation it had a barcode on it and everything I don't know that I would have thought differently they let me through security with it even though I didn't have a ticket

so there was one more middle seat and they and they were able to put me in it. The first lady at the counter, to get on the plane, I'd been at the airport for like nine and a half hours or ten hours by this point. The first one was like, you don't have a ticket. And I was like, well, do you mean I don't have a ticket? I'm standing here at the gate, aren't I? How did I get here? Yeah. But then I realized, oh, they never actually scanned my ticket. They scanned my passport and they looked at what I had, but they never actually scanned my ticket. So I was never checked in. Um, that's what.

And then the second one was like, move and like checked for me and was like, okay, no, I got one, here's your ticket. And I was like, thank you. This actually means the world. Pretty great. I actually kind of hate traveling. Like that was so stressful. I like traveling. I actually really do. I don't like, um, I really hated rebooking those train tickets. That pissed me off. Needing to, like, pay last-minute prices. WestJet wouldn't refund it. Yeah. They have a zero exceptions within 24 hours, I think it is. No refunds. Even if you just booked it five minutes ago, they're like, no.

I was like, bro, if you unbook it now, you could literally just sell it to someone else who also desperately needs to get home. They'll do that anyways. Friars. They'll just overbook their plane. Yeah, the thing that saved me getting to Berlin. $1,200. was that I checked in so early and for some reason they just didn't assign me a seat

but I had checked in really early so that when it came down to like the seat lottery thing I just automatically won because I had checked in first by like a lot did I ever tell you how I almost missed my play when I went to Edinburgh? No I man I when I went to see Joseph

yeah yeah oh yeah we almost missed our plane we flew into Heathrow and then our plan was to have a connecting flight to Edinburgh but our connecting flight was canceled and the new flight they assigned us was going to be there too late to see the play I was only there

to see Joseph in the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat with Donnie Osmond as the Pharaoh and if I wasn't going to see that play then why was I even there? So we are standing there in the airport like can you rebook us?

I'm like no no we got nothing I'm like okay okay so what are our other options we we looked into chartering a private plane because like I love literally was only... You already flew across

the world. I was only in Europe. And I didn't even actually know this at the time, but it was the last performance. So it was like... I thought you did know that. I didn't know that before we sat down and they said this is the last performance. So I wouldn't have even... I could have even like not known thinking I could go a day later anyway. We actually...

So, turns out charging is really expensive in case you were wondering. It's, yeah, very expensive. I remember from that one scrapyard wars. So we found... So we found a train. Oh, yeah, okay. And we were like, okay, we can do the train,

which is only like a couple hundred dollars compared to thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars for the plane. What was incredible, though, was dude, I got to say, like, the airplane charter business, damn, do they ever have, like, customer service figured out? I emailed. I was like, damn it, they only have an email.

They don't have a phone line. I emailed. They emailed me back in, like, three minutes. And they were like, here's our phone number. let's talk and they were like yeah we can have you we can have you taken off within like the next 90 minutes or something like that i was like you just like found one that's nearby and yeah we got you i was like wow that's crazy anyway um so yeah the plane so the train uh ended up running like two hours and five minutes late which it turns out means you get your fare for free so my story

worked out so maybe that's why i ultimately didn't tell the story some that makes sense somebody in full plane chat pointed out in germany if your train is 20 minutes late you're it becomes a flex ticket so you can take any train of your choosing. That is cool. The problem for me was the nice pre-booked train that I had was the one that wasn't late. The plane was late. So I didn't make that train. Right. And then I had to book other trains and those ones were late, but I had to take them anyways. It didn't matter if I took them later. If I didn't take those specific trains, I would not make it to Berlin on time to take my flight out. A couple of people also said, why didn't you just drive?

I did look into that. Dimitri actually suggested that I just drive. Really? But I went and looked at renting a car and the rental car place had a 1.1 or 1.2 star rating and like all of the reviews were about how they tried to scam them for damage

and like, oh, I've been fighting a double charge for a car rental for a year with somebody's comment. And I was just like, I'm going to take the train. Yeah, Dimitri's reviews of Bulgaria in general. No, no, no, this was Germany. Oh, this was Germany.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because I know he had trouble getting review samples sent to him there and stuff. Oh. Stuff would just get like... Disappeared? You know, stuff would happen.

I'm not going to say specifically because I don't remember the details, but he was just like, yeah, sometimes it could be a real challenge to get review samples sent there. Yeah, I actually had... Uh, I didn't take a lot of public transport in Bulgaria. but like the Bulgarian airport was completely fine in my experience. No direct planes from Bulgaria. Well, my flights, I travel in a really whack way where I do a lot of my travel planning like once I'm already there.

So my flights to Canada and back were out of Berlin. And then the easiest way for me to get to Bulgaria at the time was through Munich, not Berlin. So when I'm saying I'm flying back to Germany and then taking a train up to Berlin, I'm flying back to Munich. Yeah. So it was actually like pretty far from Berlin. So there,

I mean, there probably was maybe not direct planes, but easier ones, but my, my flight was already through Berlin. And if I don't make that one, that was the one that the company had booked for me. So if I don't make that one,

I just have to pay for my own entire ticket myself because it would have been entirely my fault. So like, I'd rather not do that. So I'm going to try to make that one. I wish I, journaled more of my crazy travel stories because they're always like I took a bunch of photos of like I have some really funny ones oh where's my phone like the time that I was literally by like 10 seconds uh on time for my plane back from Japan like they looked at the supervisor because it was literally like the minute of the of the cutoff and he's like gives a nod but like it was bad and it was because I was like 42 cents short of the fair for my train into the airport and the lady like wouldn't let me go and I was like oh my god I don't

care I don't have any cash I just I need to make my plane but it's Japan there ain't a lot of flexibility on that so I like this photo because it's like it's supposed to show up it was my fault entirely it was only because I accidentally left all of my luggage on my previous train and I had to go to the lost and found I had to catch a later train and I like picked the wrong one I like picked the one that left earlier rather than the express one anyway. Ah, I've done that before. Oh, yeah. So it's like, hey, it's supposed to show up at like 13 past midnight.

Oh, my God. It's going to show up at 105. It is 108. Oh, my God. How does that work? Yeah, that's good math. That's German math. Yeah.

I noticed a couple times that it's like the delayed time will be a time that we've already passed. Also, we were rolling slow because we're like near the train. train station. The guy said over the intercom, we'll get there at 111, which is later than either of those times, if you noticed. Um, and then one 11 comes and goes and we're still rolling. And it like blew my mind that we're within like slow rolling distance of a train station and they still can't get the time right. Like we ended up getting there like, I think two or three minutes later than the guy on the intercom said, despite being within like jogging distance. of the station.

So here's my question. I don't understand. Here's my question. Okay. These guys are world renowned for watches. Is this like a tariff issue? Is there some kind of border control? I don't know what it is.

Because like literally. I'm just asking questions. The trains in Germany. I'm just asking questions. The trains in Germany were the most comfortable trains I've been on in my life, especially the last one that I took. took it had like leather seats like super nice okay and I was in like the cheap cheapest super saver fare area and they had leather like very nice leather seats nice and were super late

I don't get it German trains are banned by this way so so this are not part of the EU oh all right that's interesting uh okay Dan what are we supposed to be doing Oh, do that? Yeah. Okay, cool. We have some weekend deals for you. Anyway, still need that backpack upgrade for back to school? Well, lucky you, because we're offering a great deal on the commuter backpack.

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They don't know what that website is Because it doesn't work properly In Firefox Yeah So what use would they have for it You're just sending it Oh my goodness My links

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Let's maybe do another topic. Here, wait. Let me do a bit of an update. So I got linked to this by multiple people in the flow plane chat. Crappy PCB and dark I too. both linked to this which is hilarious someone else in full point chat said that apparently

something it has to do with something about the the like German car lobby messing with public transport or something what who knows I don't know I don't know but I just thought this is funny I also wanted to talk about actually wait no I think I'm supposed to talk about that later

I'll save that topic for for another time okay I think I got I think there's a pizza conspiracy going on. But we can talk about it later. A different pizza conspiracy. Yeah, I was going to say, because... What's a very different one?

Is Dr. Disrespect involved? No, no, no, no. Okay, so not that kind. Yeah, a much more serious one. Okay, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. A lot less serious.

Oh, my God. You're stressing me out, Luke. You're stressing me out. You're making you stressed. But I think, yeah, I think. I think I'm supposed to, like, talk about it later or something for some reason? Yes, I am. Okay, cool.

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Sometimes. Is there going to be a new winter jacket this year? Oh, hold on. I might have it in my car. What? So, we'll do another one for Luke. Oh. Luke.

Luke. I can do a topic if you need. Fris de. Fisde. Fajdi. Okay, this might work for you as well. Sure. We can ask Linus about the second half when he returns.

How do you feel about so many people having parisocial relations? relationships with you and your subordinates. I know you more than you will ever know me. Also, have you ever owned a pet rat or a mischief? Or a mischief? Mischief, copy, paste animal? What is that? Is that just like any rodent? I don't know. A mouse? Hamster. Is that like a genus? No, I've never had any of those. I've had dogs. and birds I have I've not had a oh and fish I haven't had a super wide range of animals a rat a group of rats is called a mischief wow ha ha learning not a king

thank you Wikipedia um oh that's that's that's that's that's that's up but Jesus in Christ did you believe those yeah I did okay okay part of my head. You can see the button. Man, what was the question even again? Have you ever owned a mischief? No, but wasn't there one before that? You are drunk.

Linus, how do you feel about so many people having parosocial relationships with you and your subordinates? I know you more than you will ever know me. Also, have you ever owned a pet rat or, as we now know, a group of pet rats is called a mischief. Oh, it's this. I think it's weird that people think this is a new problem. that's my hot take oh the parasocial relationships

or pet rats people only really talk about it now but like people were hyper obsessed with like Princess Diana the Beatles oh yeah oh yeah like way hyper obsessed I would argue more than people are now I think the difference now

is that the people that we have these parissocial relationships with seem so much more accessible and like real people than the old celebrities were well they can't they actually can't afford the amount of separation that the old celebrities had well yeah like i the realistically i'm not that i'm not that hard to talk to like yeah it's not that hard to like get my email address i won't respond to you because you know

i just get too many emails especially every time i acknowledge how easy it is to find my email address so there's no point and if you do email me especially at those times i will certainly filter so that I block probably not only you but the entire domain that you're emailing from if you work at a business or something like that because I just like I can't have people bothering me and wasting my time but in terms of like how how accessible sort of internet celebrities are they're they're super accessible and not only that but they're they're accessible like emotionally because they have something in common with you other than that they make music you like to listen to or they sit on a throne that

you know, has oppressed your people for hundreds of years. You know, that sort of thing. I've had someone come up to me and, like, apologize for having a parasycial relationship and then, like, jokingly mentioning some things that happened on WAN as a reference for them having a parissocial relationship. And I'm like, man, like, we make the content so that you watch it. Like, I don't. Watching WAN show is not being weird in parisocial.

Yeah. There's a difference between, like, knowing some stuff that happens on WAN show. Or, like, you know. Sometimes they reference like, oh, yeah, but I know things that happened in your life. Like, yeah, because I talk about them on WAN show. Like, that's okay. This is fine. Like, there's a difference between, like, watching the show.

Between that and walking up to me at the airport and sitting down next to me and just, like, uninvited when I'm clearly in the middle of something, like, talking to me without going away eventually. To be clear. As if you're friends. Walk up and grab a selfie. For sure. Totally fine. Yeah. totally fine happy to do that and but like that's the that's the key don't assume that we're

friends yeah and that i'm like i'm with my family or whatever else and even if i'm with my family you know what grab a selfie so my new my new policy i have a new policy for that like i have a new system for that that actually makes it like pretty not disruptive so i'll be like i'll be like walking in a mall and i'm like with my family or i was going to say friends no i'm with my family I don't have friends, but you're a friend. But we don't walk around in the mall together. No. So I'm walking in the mall.

I'm with my family and someone's like, can I get a selfie? I'll be like, sure. Keep up. Oh, I've done that. I've done that for sure. Dude, it's great. It's actually fantastic. Because they get their selfie.

I am not separated from my family and everyone's happy. The selfies often end up looking pretty cool, too. Yeah. I don't know why. Just like on the roll is like pretty nice. neat um i just want to say i had fun chatting to you briefly at defcon i always feel yeah i mean that was probably totally fine so that's a different context too though like if you walk up and you want to chat with me a little bit at like a whale land or l tx or i was there purely on vacation oh okay

that's different then but it was still totally fine i mean it's still you're at a you're at a con for sure i think you're kind of walking it you're yeah and i didn't mind at all i'm sure to be honest okay cool yeah um but yeah no and so so context is everything but but Anyway, so back to the question, the parasocial relationships. I think the fact that the relationship forms over something we have in common makes it in some ways stronger and feel more, but also not like strong, like bizarre, like John Hinckley or whatever, like, you know, shooting Reagan over, you know, what's her name in taxi driver? but like almost like less strong like more natural because it just kind of happens over time from from extended exposure and like having common interests like I I don't know man I don't think I'll ever be used to it is is the bottom line oddly enough I think I kind of am it doesn't really bother me anymore well I didn't say bother me or it never really bothered me it definitely bothered me for a lot well even just it can be socially really useful sometimes. Getting recognized in public, like made me deeply uncomfortable at the beginning.

Now I'm used to that. But I wouldn't say, but I think I'm not used to the one to many relationship. And I don't think I can ever get used to it. I don't think we're wired for it. Sure. I, uh, I, I, I, I've, two funny interactions that I had at PAX this year. One, somebody took a selfie with me and then like 10 minutes later walked by and was like, oh, by the way, can you come back?

like right here in like two and a half hours to take a photo with my friend and I was like no and I think that was one of the only times I've ever like let the annoyance like really go into my response so I was like walking with my brother and like one of my high school friends and he like asked me to come back I was just like what what do you ask like not a chance like sorry if you're watching but like no dude no no no way. Someone pulls something really similar with me once. Like, like, can I, if I come back, like, can I go get someone and come back and will you still

be here? And I was like, no? Yeah. Like, I, I think I was at LTX. And like, I was like at a particular spot. And I was like, no, I'm going to be, I'm going to be all over the place. Like, there's literally thousands of people here. I don't think that's necessarily as bad.

Well, it was, it was, it was, they didn't know where their friend was. Oh, well, yeah, okay, that doesn't help. They didn't know how long I was going to be standing there. Are you going to be around for like five, ten more minutes? No, it's maybe a different question. I will be back at some indeterminate amount of time. Stay here. Yeah, that sucks.

Bro, I can't do that. There's no way. The other one, though, is where I'm saying that, like, I've actually find they're actually pretty often, like, helpful is very funny interaction. There was a, there was a YouTuber that I have enjoyed watching a fair amount at Pax, who had a little booth, and they were filming these five-minute podcast things, which I didn't really know what that was about but it said ask me about five minute podcasts

so I just walked up to the booth thing and was like hey love your stuff shook his hand and was like that's it I just wanted to say I like your stuff and then I was like before I leave what's this five minute podcast thing he's like okay let's film one and I was like all right sure

so we just I like just stood in front of the camera and filmed this like thing with him and he's like all right cool bye and then as I'm leaving two different people like said hi and wanted selfies and I was like that was the best timing ever because now he's like who the hell is this guy that's pretty cool that's great and I hope it comes out at some point so I'd like to see it but I've had times when I'm at a meeting with a potential sponsor at a trade show and someone will come up to my table and ask to take a selfie and they're like huge huge it's amazing how the timing can be so good especially in the early days it was amazing how one

person walking up during the meeting meant so much more than 300,000 subscribers. Yep. Which is... It's how palpable it is. Yeah. It was fantastic when dating.

It was wild when dating. Every time I went out, I was like, please. And then it would happen and it was so good. you could at least pretend not to enjoy it that much it was great yeah okay fair enough it was great you got to play it off as if you're not like oh thank god it is what it is all right so fame and chicken yeah dude that should be the name of your memoir

yeah did you ever have anyone think it was fake Like you paid someone to do that? No, I don't think so. Well, none that said anything. Oh, okay. I mean, maybe, but I don't think so. Okay, so I'm ready to acknowledge the outer wear that I am wearing right now. Yeah, because it's starting to activate.

So what's cool about this particular jacket is that it uses a thermochromic material. It's not like the warmest layer ever. It's kind of like a lightly puffy jacket that's meant to be kind of layered on. But it is an outer layer. So it's kind of like a fall, like a late fall, early spring or like a layered up winter, depending on your climate. But what's cool about it is that if for whatever reason you find yourself indoors or somewhere warmer or there's a spot, oh wait, yeah, let's go this way, or there's a spot on the jacket where it kind of folds in on itself, it's color changing. So cool. So it ends up with

kind of, kind of like flame-like, like kind of fiery sort of look to it, that as soon as I saw the material, I was like, okay, I don't know, I think it's really cool. And obviously it invites, you know, I was going to say, playing with it because your skin temperature is enough to activate. My hands are really cold. Oh, yeah. Do you have warm hands? Yeah. All right, hit me. Right there.

Right there, buddy. How long does it take? Is that good? Yeah, I should be fine. Yeah, there it is. He's always such a warm boy.

I was going to say, decent tactical choice to, like, if you have a girlfriend and you want them to be, give excuses to hug you all the time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then you'd get the arm wrap

around the back. Yep. Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah. So it's, it's one of those things that some people really like

And some people will not, but I saw the material and I was like, okay, I need us to do something with this. So we did a jacket. I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, very cool. All right. How expensive is it? I don't know. All right.

Well, cool. Answer that question. All right. What are we supposed to be doing? Ah, yes. The real self-driving was the friends we made along the way. sources electrek.co Tesla has changed the definition of full self-driving.

You see, FSD is not fully unsupervised autonomous driving. Go to sleep in the driver's seat, wake up at your destination, like we said it would be, when we charged as much as $15,000 for it. Now it has a new definition. FSD now means an advanced driving system, regardless of the marketing name used, that is capable of performing transportation tasks that provide autonomous or similar functionality under specified driving conditions. The author opines that the current version of FSD, which requires constant supervision by the driver, could easily fit that description. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the automaker has updated their language on their website, now selling only full self-driving supervised, and not the previous full self-driving capability FSD.

So we actually have an image here from, this is from Electrek. Full self-driving supervised $8,000. I don't like that. beginning in 2016 the company had claimed had claimed past tense now because they have clearly changed their messaging had claimed that all its vehicles in production would be capable of unsupervised self-driving since 2018 CEO Elon musk has claimed that this year is the year only to reach the end of each year with the promise unfulfilled Tesla previously confirmed that vehicles produced between 2016 and 2023 do not have the proper hardware to deliver the promised unsupervised self-driving. Their CEO has discussed upgrading the computers in these vehicles, but there doesn't appear to be even a concept of a plan for implementing this upgrade. Very cool.

I remember having an infuriating conversation with a finance bro at a party once. I know this story. that basically boiled down to I cover tech for a living and Tesla has a serious problem with their tech and the counter argument was lots of super smart people have invested so there's no way they won't deliver on this and I tried to I said well do you want to see the tweet where Elon admitted that like the cars they've been selling for all these years can't do it didn't want to see it And I was told that I just didn't understand finance and that the, like, the, the details of the tech didn't matter. And I was like, right, but people invest in this company because of the tech, right?

Like, that's what theoretically people, as far as I can tell, Tesla is gone full meme stock at this point. Well, almost a whole stock market does. I wouldn't say almost all. I'd say, like, there's a lot of high profile examples these days. but not almost all. But a lot of the high-profile examples is where a lot of the money in the stock market is sitting currently.

Yeah. Ginger-knutted in float-plane chat says here's the... Ginger-nutted? Yeah, I like that. I felt it was worth reading out loud. Oh, no, that's not actually the tweet that I was referring to.

There was one where he far more explicitly admitted that, um, FSD, whatever the hardware level was that was up until a couple of years ago, three, I think, was just never going to be capable of it. And it was already clear, like way before that, that it wouldn't be capable because they were already using both of what were supposed to be the redundant computers in order to achieve full level four or level five. You have to have redundancy, but they, like, didn't because they were using the whole thing already. So people had known for ages that it was just never going to be able to do it. It just took them a really long time to admit it. I just, I don't know, man.

People, I often get accused of being an Elon hater. But what it really boils down to is I don't respect people who lie to me constantly over and over and over again and just expect me to keep believing them. Because I feel that that shows disrespect to me and therefore I cannot respect that. If you make a good faith effort to follow through on the things that you tell me, or if you have the self-awareness to apologize and make good, then that makes a big difference. But if you just lie over and over and over and over and over and over again, then I just, I don't, I don't respect that.

I can't respect that. So there you go. It's kind of, it's kind of that simple. I remember having a conversation with a family member about a particular politician and I basically just went, well, you know, here's an example of a bulb-faced lie. You know, why did they say that? It's demonstrably false. And he went, I don't know.

And I went, well, yeah, I can tell you why. It's because he doesn't respect you. He doesn't think you are smart enough or detail-oriented enough or conscientious enough to care. And that's not respectful. And that was kind of a turning point, which was very very much. very, which was a major, major relief. And to be clear, I intentionally kept that vague. I think that could apply to pretty much any politician. There's just degrees of, of brazen untruthfulness. Extremely off topic, but I want to bring it up before I forget, I saw Jaden in chat, and this

reminded me. He sent me a message after last Wancho, where he said, regarding Wancho discussion, it is possible to assign different icons to notifications, Android only, and WhatsApp already shows profile image and notifications. You mentioned having, I think it was different icons for channels, so we could do it, we could do it Android only, apparently. I don't know that we're going to do that right now. I think it'd be better to just have feature parity

and wait for Apple to catch up. I mean, they eventually do. Sure. Or maybe they just won't. I don't know. I hadn't noticed it, before he mentioned, I think he, oh wow, I already forgot. I just put it down. I am pretty tired from all the traveling. Um, yeah, WhatsApp already shows profile image. So, uh, so

WhatsApp already does it, but I don't use WhatsApp very much. So I didn't see it there. And not a lot of other apps that I use seem to use this feature. And I suspect it's because of, uh, just having identical apps on both platforms. But I don't know. Um, so yeah, apparently that is a thing. I just, I think I don't remember exactly how I worded it, but I think I said that I didn't think it was so apparently it is what is the consequence going to be for this full self-driving false advertising is are the regulators going to be empowered and are they going to have the stones to to follow through is is it going to come down to individual owners to class action this like how is this going to play out because I think you could make the argument that a substantial

portion like if corsair had to pay five and a half million dollars because some people didn't have xmp on by default in their gaming computer right like we're talking a hundred three hundred dollar purchase right of some ddr four memory yeah how much will tesla oh when people figure out that the decade of cars they sold are not and will never be capable of fully autonomous driving as they were advertised to be. Meanwhile, and this is going to be tough to see amongst all the ads, but there is a headline in the middle there. Did you hear about this?

Yeah, so I think this is a really, honestly, I actually, okay, I'm going to have kind of a controversial take on this one. I think that this is, see, I have in the past attributed to Ford D Chess what actually turned out to be phenomenal stupidity. Right. So I hate making the same mistake more than once. However, this one smells like a bit of 4D chess to me. Because the conditions for that pay package are that the company will have to reach a valuation that simply isn't going to happen.

Optimus is already dead in the water and everybody knows it. It says specifically that they have to ship like an incredible amount of optimist. Yeah, they have, they ship like 300,000 optimists a month or something, like, what were the numbers? Get me the optimist numbers here. So the optimist is their, is their robot that, like, is already just a piece of dog shit compared to, like, unit tree models for a few grand, and that they think they're going to sell for $200,000 to $300,000 each. Like, to who? What are you even talking about? I don't even think that article said.

I'm looking for another one. Optimus is dead in the water with what logic? with the logic of the head of the program who just left and was like, peace. Optimus is dead in the water because they are so far behind. They can't figure out hands. They can't figure out the AI side. They can't figure out mobility. So many of the demos that you've seen have just been remote telepresence effectively,

like a human just operating it remotely. Guys, Optimus is smoke and mirrors. So, yeah. here we go here we go 1 million robot deliveries in 1 million robotaxies yeah like this stuff's not

the stuff's not happening so yeah so basically this one smells to me like it's just supposed to grab headlines with a giant big number and it's supposed to help pump the stock because oh well if they're going to

if this pay package exists then there's there's this path to this but i mean obviously none of that is happening there's no way that you could there's no way you could be on enough substances to think that you're going to sell that many of a product that literally you would have to have a lot of substances you'd have to have a thousand percent tariff on it to make optimists at the price that they have sort of floated you'd have to have a one thousand percent tariff on it to make it competitive with something that unitary is shipping like right now there's I do know that a counter argument is that this is what was said about his first pay package. Sure.

But that was when the company was poised for immense growth. And had a lot of positivity surrounding it and stuff. Show me the immense growth that were poised for. I mean, in the U.S., sales are tanking in Europe. In the U.S., the incentives are going away. There was a robot at EFA, at a booth, where it was a humanoid robot. except it had two like airplane cables hanging it from the ceiling because it couldn't stand on its own and it was like leaning over hanging off these cables and it was sorting laundry but like one out of three times that it tried to grab a piece of clothing it would just like fail and all it was doing was like sorting colors and whites for washing and it was so incredibly slow and then it got like three quarters of the way through and and it just could not grab them anymore because I guess it was too far down

and it couldn't like bend because it was held by these cables so they had to re-pore the clothes back into the middle one so that it could keep going it was so brutal the watch it was so rough who was this I don't remember the brand it's in the the floatplane walkthrough with Sammy and I Breakdown says I'd pay good money for a real laundry folding machine you better believe it me too oh it wasn't even folding it was just sorting oh wow it was just picking it up out of one basking and putting into another. So actually useless that.

It was really bad. Yeah. Nice. Oh. Uh. I feel like this is something completely different. Uh, this is a cooking robot at EFA 25 that appears to be doing basically nothing useful. Yeah, no.

Yeah. It wasn't a cooking one. Very cool. Um, it's in the float. We could like kind of show that. bit maybe um bring it up so circuit king 98 says lLMs not LLM specifically but i think you mean AI will unlock the humanoid robot market it's so early people said the same thing about full self-driving eight years ago okay so there's a couple things we got to kind of talk about here

the full self-driving comment yeah that's still not done so that's that's one critical thing the other issue is that I'm not saying the humanoid robot market isn't coming I'm saying it's not coming at $200 to $300,000 a unit. That's the problem. Humanoid robots are going to be enormous. Yeah, it's going to be huge market. I guarantee you it's going to be freaking huge. Huge.

The issue is that specifically optimist is so far behind and way, way too expensive. That's the problem. I'm talking specifically about optimist. Nothing that they've shown me gives me any optimism about how that program is going to proceed. And I can be wrong. It's happened before. Optimus could end up being 10 times better than what's coming out of other robotics company.

I haven't even talked about Boston Dynamics at this point. Like, Optimus is so far behind right now. And they could magically catch up. And that is a possibility. And if I'm wrong, I will say I was wrong. Optimus is the prime robot. I just don't see a path to it right now. That's all.

Okay. So this is from this is from Luke and Sammy Tour, the EFA show floor. I'm not going to bother get Dan to get the audio going or anything. But you can see here when he zooms in. So this is a little bit blurry because we're like zoomed in over the crowd. But you can see a hook here and then a wire that goes up. And behind the play button, there's another hook. There we go.

You can see on both of his shoulders. There's hooks and then wires going up. He's being held up by the airplane cables to the ceiling. So it can't stand on its own. There's three baskets here on the bottom. See, the one in the middle has actually like a bunch of clothes in it. And then one on each side. The basket on, from our perspective, the right, is for like plain.

I would say you're probably closer to center. My God. From our perspective, the right, that basket is for plain whites. and then the basket on the left is for colored fabrics and the middle is the unsorted Hamnetics says that's robot at Bernice Look how slow it is

Oh man What is the possible use of this I mean I get it The point is to show progress And then look fail And try again Wait this is in real time This is not slow-mo

This is in real time It actually footage skipped there for a second. I think Sammy cut some of it out because it was so boring. Oh yeah. And then this one it has like a hard time getting it out of the basket. So it takes this whole time and then okay. It finally got it. And then it goes again. It's so rough. It takes forever. Oh man. The company is neuro robotics. Yeah, I don't know. And you know, maybe they have something else that's good. I don't know. Whatever. It's just that was that was like, Tough to watch.

I would not have brought that to a show to show it off, personally. I mean, it depends where you started. Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe six months ago it couldn't pick up the clothes at all. Maybe this is progress. Sure. And, you know, I'm not super informed on robotics right now. Maybe that is good for some reason. Like maybe it was doing something somehow that was good for some reason.

And you wanted investors or something. because Ifah's a weird show. There's a really wide range. Yeah, I've never been, actually. Yeah, so there's... This is your first time? This is my first time. There was genuinely just like...

General Public wanted to go see stuff for Fonzie's people there. There was people that were like definitely buying for like European stores that needed stock for things. So, you know, maybe there was investors there as well. I don't know. Avon Fox in floatplane chat says it's actually pretty astounding. that it can adapt to something like fabric. As a tech demo, it's amazing. As a product, it's obviously not.

Yeah, and so, okay, so fair enough. And maybe they're looking for investors. They're looking to hire people or whatever. I don't know what the objective was. I'm used to going to CES, where they're trying to sell or get in the media. Right. So this might have actually been a different objective, and I'm just not used to it. So, you know what?

I'm not trying to go after the company. I just, oof, that's all. As a product right now, which it isn't in its, defense forget ifa more like ufa yeah ufa yeah have you seen some of the um some of the footage from the like robot the first robot olympics that they held in china no some of it's really impressive most of it's really funny um this is i don't think this is from the robot olympics but this is from like a robot martial arts fight uh this one falls under funny This is from the independent.

There's so much more. You guys are going to have to go. You guys are going to have to go check this out. Yeah. They're also just like shadow boxing, like 15, 20 feet away from each other just before they actually get close enough to, I don't know, maybe land a blow.

I don't know if they ever actually do land any hits on each other. Anyway, it's cute. Oh, float plane announcement. What's the float plane announcement? It's down, oh, okay. I moved it, so you wouldn't yell at me. Well, then I couldn't find it, Dan. Do you ever think of that?

Oh, wow. Oh, my God. We did a seven-hour director's commentary for Scrapyard Wars 10. It's with Gamesmaster David as well as basically, everyone except me and Luke so that's Hoffman 10 minutes of it they had me call in oh are you in it oh cool

they didn't ask me um you didn't blatantly cheat what hey we didn't know we didn't know no apparently we did we should what we thought we got permission for something and David thinks we did not

I'm glad we uh I swear we did what got permission for what don't worry about it if you want to know you should watch You got to subscribe to Floplain and watch seven hours of video.

What do you mean? We've lost. Spoilers, I guess. What do you? Well, hold on a second. I thought Linus knew. I didn't mean to open this worm can. I'm reading the comments.

I don't know if it's even in there. Usually the comments will tell me what was in the video. Control. F, C-H-E-A. You cheating. Next time, Dan should be on Linus's team

and do the same amount of cheating. So Dan knows the answer. Oh, no, we both know the answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but... But I thought you were aware before this. Okay, Dan. I mean, we talked to David about this.

Talk to David about what? We super talked to David about it. But there was, there must have been a miscommunication. If you talk to David about something, then you have to have the camera rolling, so. There must have been a miscommunication. I mean, you must have had, you must have had your tentacle. There was Mike packs rolling. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, well, then where's the, where's the audio of you talking to David? I think it's in the commentary thing, maybe. No, I think, I think it was found in the edit, and they just kind of brought it up later. Oh, I can't quite remember. I don't know. Okay, so what did you guys do? You got to watch the, the full-reslusive. I'm not going to watch the seven-hour video to find out the answer to one question.

I think it actually was just at the start, to be perfectly honest. What happened? We were like, hey, somebody at work is getting rid of stuff. Can we get this stuff from them? Excuse me? What part of you cannot use your influence? But you can ask for anything. No.

You can ask David for anything. What? You have super broken the rules like crazy before by asking David. What are you talking about? I don't know. I could go dig up some examples. I mean, just in this episode, just in this episode, there was a rule that you had to go out, you had to stay in pairs and you guys sent out one because you asked David.

But it explicitly said in the rules that you can ask for an exception to that. Explicitly. What do you mean you don't know? I didn't know what is said an exception for that one. Yes, it did. No, I'm not saying it didn't. I just didn't know that. Okay.

Dude, that's been a rule of Scrappyard Wars for years. You cannot use your influence. And I would say, asking a friend or coworker or family member falls pretty clearly. No, no, it wasn't, it wasn't asking. They were going to give it away for free anyways. So it was like, could we know the... That's why we clarified it with David. ...or something.

And then acquire it that way. it's a very good thing that you know what whatever it's been out for like over a week now it's a very good thing that you guys lost see i thought it was crazy i thought it was crazy i thought he's going to say no no matter what and then when he said yes i thought it was because we must have been getting stomped and he was trying to like showrunner it and make it closer oh yeah same i think what we discussed during this like seven hour video he was on so many like painkillers yeah and i think there was just a miscommunication but we did ask um so yeah whatever because my thing was like there's no way that's gonna fly but you can ask if

you want i think we'll be way more careful next year yeah if there is a next year luke band dan band that is wild that is wild because i mean dude dude i i mean i got i got i got friends You know? I could be like, hey, shroud. No, no, no. Do you have any old gaming PCs you're planning to give away? There was no, there was no asking. There was no asking involved. I thought that might have been what made it okay.

I still, he, I think he just didn't understand what we were saying. Probably because he was on painkillers. Whatever. Okay. So what did you get? It was the speakers or something? Speakers. So that's how you got a speaker set up for free.

Yeah. I mean, I got a speaker. a setup in the last grapard works for free that was arguably better. So, I don't know. I also actually thought that's why he okayed it was because it's like actually not that hard to get audio stuff for super cheap. I had to pay for audience. Literally last gabrie was.

You got like good stuff. Wicked audio setup with an amp and everything. If you remember that, that was all, was it free or was it like? I think it was almost free. Like, like $3 or something? Like insultingly low money. Listen to him reminiscing about last time, but we're not talking about last time. Luke, we're talking about this time.

Oh, man, that is... And look, look, I understand that there were a fair number of folks upset about the fact that my PC was not powered on. Oh, no, we talked about that as well. We talked about that as well. We were talking about racing rules. I don't think it should have been, but I also don't think I should have been able to do a game service thing. But both of those were totally within the rules. There's definitely some stuff we're going to have to revise about the rules.

But the thing about Scrapyard Wars is it has always been the letter of the law and what you can get away with to win. Yeah, I thought the computer in the corner was clever more than anything. It didn't bother me. Oh, yeah, that was amazing. I wanted to make it furniture. So I wanted a table talk for it. That would have been great. See, like, that wouldn't want me at all.

That's awesome. If people did see it, I think they. released it on LMG clips maybe but I know it was a float on a second hold on a second

they doc in the float plane chat says you didn't mention the sub oh what about the sub this was

oh yeah that's right that probably would have been a bit too far of a stretch I don't even understand

what you guys needed so much money for because quite frankly we blew it on a projector that barely

worked yeah quite frankly like I I had to Dude, the distribution, like, you guys spent $400 on a couch. I'm sitting here going like, bro, or $350? I don't remember it was, but I wanted the crappy black one.

It was a lot more than ours. I know that much. I do think you guys should have lost more points for your couch. Me? Yeah, I think so. You guys should have clearly won to be very clear. I'm not trying to say that. It was very uncomfortable.

It was horrifically uncomfortable. Did you sit on the crack at any point? Oh, dude. Even not on the crack, though. had the, dude, it was so bad. The crack was truly a seventh level of hell. Your guys' experience was like,

$375.75. Yeah, okay. It was effectively $400. Yeah. I thought it was three, did we get a discount from there? Ours was like, ours was like $100 or $150 or something.

I thought we got it for less than $300 or whatever. Projector was $800. Yeah, that was rough. Crazy. I didn't. Oh, yeah. Okay. I don't know enough about projectors.

I thought going the projector play was like super, good. Obviously in hindsight, no, but I think we got locked into it. We talk about this a lot during the director's commentary. I feel like we've gotten off topic. I feel like we've gotten off topic. Tell me about the subwifer. Oh, that was mine. Okay. That is cheating. I think so. That is the most cheatingest thing of any scrapyard worse ever. So how did that one fly? I have no idea. That is a giant load of bullshit. Did you ask about that one? Probably. That's a little too blatant for even me. Because my general byline was like if you want to do something whack, just make sure you clear it with David. But then I also didn't know that David was on tons of

painkillers. No, neither did I. I wasn't aware of that until this stream. Exactly. Oh my God, you guys. I'm glad it helped So much Wow It's really lucky you guys didn't win Because I think that actually I think people would have legitimately been mad Well I think we would have been DQed at this point

Oh yeah absolutely We've never Have we ever disqualified anyone? No and there's been really egregious cheating in the past I don't think as bad as just bringing parts from home Probably not I don't even remember what they were But probably not no

Wait Didn't we almost disqualify Kyle. What did you do? I don't remember. Oh, didn't they just fully actually cheat? No. Paul and Kyle in that thing?

I thought they did. I thought they super did. I don't think so. Did they? They wouldn't cheat. Does anyone remember? I haven't watched any of the old scrapyard ones? Paul and Kyle were out right decued.

Yeah, okay. I thought something happened. Okay. Apparently, apparently we have disqualified someone before. What did they do? I don't remember. But I remember like something happened. they did they super did they screwed themselves with v sync what are you guys even talking about

okay i don't i don't remember we need a cheating edition i they used their own drive oh yeah yeah yeah because their drive died or something right so it was actually good for like the video yeah because then they're able to present because i because didn't did they win damn i can't remember anymore. We have to go back and actually check our win-loss records because I think I think we're pretty close to even now. You might still be ahead of me. He's gotta be wicked closer tied.

He's like pissed. No, I am. Because I see it as like old gen and new gen. Have I told, have I explained this to you before? No, I haven't. Because there's a huge gap. A gap? There's a massive time gap. Oh, I see. So I see it as old generation Scrapard Wars and new generation Scrapyard Wars. Okay, sure. And in new generation Scrapyard Wars,

I'm oh and two. What? Do you only count? So you don't count the one with the teams? I'm not not counting it. I'm just, just looking at this split. Oh, so since the Scrapyard Wars pause. Yes. You're seeing it as like the reboot. Yeah. So in the reboot. Since the reboot, I'm oh and two. That's funny. And both of them honestly weren't that close, which is like bad. It's not great. No, it's not. This last season was, by far, in my opinion, my worst showing ever. Maybe next time to spend more time sleeping, not launching a platform the same week. We tried.

Yeah. No, I know. No, no, no. I really appreciate. I did everything humanly possible. They actually, for context for the viewership, they actually moved Scrap Red Wars a whole week for me. So that he wouldn't have the overlap. And then the launch just got delayed.

And so, so like, I literally sleep. I don't remember. a very low amount of hours over the entire thing i think it was like 16 hours over five days i think it was less than that i might have been and i know like the first day of shooting like when you see us throwing the money up and stuff i had been awake for over 30 hours while we were filming that so that was the day he decided to buy a projector yeah like and then we just kind of ran i have no like it was you know it was honestly if you guys had executed on it perfectly i think you could have won it was a clever concept i can't understand

state how like f***ed we got from not having the mount because because actually everyone's time went into setting the mount up and I know the people who actually did the mount and stuff are going to be like what that's not fair

it is because then that meant we couldn't like drive places yeah and but you know what's you know what the funny part is to me it was it was so rough I don't really understand and I mean I don't mean any disrespect. I know that in

a time of like, you know, frantically trying to problem solved, sometimes you can come up with not the best solutions. But like, why did you guys try to 3D print a mount? Why didn't you just go get a piece of wood and just like screw the piece of wood into the

thing and then just like put it on a freaking like hinge or something? Like, why did you try to, why did you try to 3D print amount? Put it on a hinge. Like literally just, literally just put a freaking get a piece of wood and literally put a big screw into it and freaking bend it you know like if you're going to be jank just like just jank it yeah we

probably should have done that um i don't know but like how much time do you think or put the projector on a shelf i didn't even think of that one which goes to shelf like you don't shelf yeah yeah why didn't you just put it on a shelf behind the couch uh they wouldn't go and buy one i got us free shelving so i don't think that makes sense how much time do you think got spent between you and Justin on on the on the on the mount and mounting it i um i wasn't involved in the mount um mounting it took like and you read it the 3d print at some point right no i had to modify it kind of last day because yeah yeah um no no comment really um chrisap says yeah people 3d print things for all kinds of stuff that would be easier if you just

didn't 3d print it well no that's a thing for sure for sure but it like it literally took it took like a person and a half out of the competition for us really oh yeah yeah like i i i i genuinely cannot overstate how devastating that was would have been a lot better to just go to a home depot by some screws and hinges and things sure Alexander the terrible asks and you clarify what the rules were for tools so people can stop saying line is cheated for using a freaking paint roller the rules are that we're allowed to use any tools that we could realistically have access to in the office. And one 3D printer.

And one 3D printer. There was also you were allowed to use your own tools. Oh, okay. Tool use was not the problem. No. At all. But materials counted, except you had unlimited filament for one printer. For one printer, yeah.

And only one printer. And only one. Because that's the limiting factor, not the plastic. Yeah. I didn't realize that we were allowed to mount stuff to the walls with, like, they would give us backing wood. Like, if you wanted to mount a TV to a wall. Yeah, I had no idea that was a thing until they mentioned it in the stream. Do you know that was a thing?

Yeah. Okay. So none of the contestants knew. I mean, I would have mounted a TV to the wall, though. The reason why I asked if you knew it was a thing and was pretty sure you didn't, it was because obviously you would have done that. No, I wouldn't have. I didn't have money. I couldn't afford a mount.

Dude, I had a $1.38 left. Like, we, dude, Yeah, we were down to small amounts. But we scrapped harder than you guys this time. We didn't scrap at all, actually. Yeah, like, you guys paid, like, you guys paid a fortune for your rug. You guys paid a fortune for your couch? I think we paid, we paid a lot less than you for a rug, I think.

Did you? I'm looking at $20. Rug, rug, rug, rug, rug. Okay, maybe I'm wrong about the rug, but the couch. The couch is really expensive. There's 375. We thought we had tons of money when we got the... Rugg, $25.

Okay, you guys slayed on the rug then. I found the rug. But just like, in general, dude, like, I was watching your side and I was just like, oh, my God, like, how do they have all this money? And it's because they didn't need a compute device. Well, yeah. Like, we spent almost $400 on a PlayStation. $112 for the computer.

We bought movies. Okay, so there's been a lot of talk about the shadow thing as well. and I feel pretty bad for Shadow. Yeah, they got kind of boned by just our internet being sucked that day. I wish it was explained a little bit better. It was explained decently well, but I wish there was like almost a disclaimer on screen of how much testing I did. Because this was very explicitly communicated through David,

and I think this was actually fine. He let me do testing of it when it was acting weird outside of hours. I wasn't allowed to actually work on like my own system. Right. But I could run Shadow at my head. and be like, is it working? Right. And I could like go to friends' houses and be like, run shadow, is it working?

And it was working perfectly fine the entire week everywhere I tested, which was tons of places. I don't think this is in the Yula necessarily, but I was sharing the heck out of my account with like everyone I knew, getting run it from everywhere they could at all times and day. And there was literally never a problem except for at our office. and there's something with how our firewall is set up i don't remember sean was trying to work on it i mean that's what i think that's why our adventure time stream looked like crap too probably it was terrible it looked like 240p there's something weird and i know that's like literally my department l-o-l but there's something weird with with how that set up and that totally new shadow that is that is not i know there was some comments being like

oh this is just what streaming experiences are like no and there are some issues there but no but not at this level, at all. We have like an enterprise grade connection here. It's like, I forget what the exact whole thing is, but basically it's the closest thing to if we had a dedicated fiber line without actually having our own fiber run through the street.

And we got like three of them. There is no reason why we should have anything but the cleanest possible connection to Vanix, which should have the cleanest possible connection. I had somebody on a copper 100, 100 line. Yeah. That ran it great. on like a eight-year-old computer

like this was not it was not shadow yeah so like it was just bad luck the projector all right cool yeah I did not executive decision that call

just to be very clear but we were we were also saying like you know sports if only I had made that pass if only I had trained a bit harder if only I didn't come to work drunk. If only I, you know, it's like, you can go, you can go look back forever in

highlights and stuff like that. The projector, I, I wish we didn't make that call. Shadow. You guys could have gotten away with the projector if you had also painted the room. I can't. I originally wanted to do silver screen, but there's so much. And I don't think we should necessarily talk about it on stream, but there is a lot of reasons and stuff that we don't really want to go into right now. I can't explain how torpedoed the team got. when we didn't get them out. When I'm saying a person and a half, at least a person and a half.

We're just removed from the competition when we didn't get that mount. That's rough. And yeah, we should have just mounted it in an easier way, whatever. I also don't even, I mean,

I watched the interaction where they picked it up. I don't even blame them for taking the projector because you guys had decided on the projector and you did say get the mount, but like also like you're trying to, you're under time constraint. Like I understand, why they made the call to just take it anyway and go, yeah, we can figure out a mount,

because it can't be that hard. I didn't know there was a mount properly, you know? Otherwise, it would have been like, no, we need them out. It was communicated, but I hear you. It was communicated, but even then, I wouldn't assume, like, okay, look, if somebody sent me to go get a camera and they told me, yeah, it doesn't have, like, the plate that goes under it, I'd be like, well, yeah, I mean, I'm still buying the camera. I'll figure out, I'll figure out a plate. Like, that can't be that hard. I wouldn't think that getting a projector mount is that hard.

The shadow problems, I did work on the outside of ours. I also spent an egregious amount of time working on the midside of hours. Like between the mount and shadow, we basically had like Sammy who couldn't drive around by yourself. I was about to say Sammy was your team's like standout rock style. Oh, she's the only reason we got like any points at all. Yeah. She did agree. The fact that she was given nothing.

I don't know how well communicated was in the video. She had pride. Was it like 14 minutes to make the room cool or something? Dude, your room went from casting couch to inviting lobby in like a shockingly small amount of time and with very little budget. I remember her being like, I need at least 30 minutes. To be clear, I wasn't surprised because I saw what Sammy did with the budget that I gave her on the previous season, which was even less. Yeah. But I was very impressed.

Yeah. oh lordy yeah she she did great um we we gave her nothing and she uh she did good with it okay dunfie says 58 seconds in episode one can only use items purchased using the budget linus sold a soundbar yes but i sold a sound bar that i only have because i bought it i'm completely fine with that i think that's pretty standard that's canon at this point that if you can wheel and deal yeah i don't know if that's in the rules or not but like that that is completely fine i think it's i think it's i think it's allowed by legal precedent sure regardless of whether it's in the scrapyard war's constitution

objectively good for the game oh yeah if you can if you can flip like uh yeah totally totally cool dude that tv deal saved me that tv deal was incredible if i got a 75 watching you watching you wheel for that was so dope. That looks actually awesome. Dude, I was, I was, uh, watching it was painful for myself because I was just staring at myself doing dumb things. I'm way too freaking tired. Um, and then I could, I could see myself in a conversation with someone knowing that

behind the, the back of my laptop is actually sauce plus instead of Scravador Wars listings. So I'm like, man, sorry entire team. I kind of screwed everyone over this season. But, um, watching some of your. team stuff was cool and that that wheel and dealing for the TV was awesome. McBain run the numbers. I never went negative money last season. That didn't happen. I thought you went credit card. No? You went over budget credit card. No, I didn't go over budget. I had to use money off my credit card because I left the cash somewhere. I was a negative budget. I was never out of money. I thought you

did. I just had to move it around creatively because it wasn't in the same physical place that I was. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I, if anything, I have been on my best behavior the last couple of seasons. I will say much, much better than in the past. Now it's our turn. Hey, look, look, look, look, look. I have always. Look at us.

We are the cheaters now. Where did we learn it, Mom? I've always followed rules. It's just that we used to have much more ill-defined rules so they were easier to more egregiously skirt. whereas now we actually, for better or for worse, we have pretty well-defined rule sets. So I have to be more creative in my interpretation. I think what we learned this season is the rules around the PC being required

should probably be more explicit. And those were intentionally vague. For one season, I think that's fine. We were talking about racing stuff on the live stream. Like F1 is basically, that rulebook's like 3,000 pages long. And people still are trying to find ways to do what Linus with a computer which is like part of sport that's part of sport exactly and it was left vague for linus to do that and you can do that one time and that's that's good i don't want to be

encouraged to try a shadow solution again um but it was it was neat to try one time i'm just sad that i really i we we weren't going to win you guys won i'm not trying to argue that but if shadow And my trophy's super cool this year. If Shadow worked, I think it would have been a lot cooler. I didn't even know we're going to get trophies. Oh, I didn't know we were going to get trophies. They were surprised to me too. Because like the projector was not configured and the speakers lost their configuration

someone, this is not why we lost. You messed us up too. So when I was testing on my laptop, I was getting 5.1, 6.1. The little PC didn't, wasn't able to output. spare little PC? Maybe you should have tried with that. In the 10 minutes that I had to test everything. I hated when mom and dad fight.

Shut up. He's busy trying to mount the projector with all the time. This isn't your conversation. Yeah, get out of here, Linus. Everybody. We never fought before you were born. It's your fault. Ultimately, I was, I was captain of the ship.

I should have done a better job. It lands on me, but. Oh, you don't have to fall on that sort. No, I think I do. I'm the one that didn't execute on literally anything. I'm just going to say my team. team's teamwork was immaculate. You guys killed it.

We were dialed. No comment. We were dialed. I had definitely my roughest season and you guys just killed it the whole time. My entire team, MVP. Like, Pancras was awesome. Sebastian was awesome. We had some really fantastic team moments, too.

The fact that we got a room. Oh, dude. Is crazy. Yes. Like the push through at the end was wild. um dan just like melting plastic knives into the roof crazy

I was not particularly happy that I had to do that but it worked I mean country girls make do right my god I don't know if everyone's going to get that reference you gotta get there you gotta get there somewhere like we're not going to lose or we're not going to

DNF we're not going to DNF we're not going to yeah we're going to show up for for the game right because we after after like yeah there was a there was a moment where I was thrown a crazy curve ball where I was informed that my little mini PC idea would not work and then I lost hours to re-realizing oh no my idea was actually fine the mini PC would work and then I so I lost a lot of time with that and then I lost I lost at least half a day to that which probably wouldn't have lost that much if I was awake Um, and then I lost an enormous amount of time, like almost all the rest of my time trying to figure out shadow or driving. That was like all the rest of it.

So I was not very useful. Angry Panda PC and float plane chat says, hey, Luke, at least you had a very entertaining team. I think so. You did have that. You guys were very entertaining to watch. If I tried to detach myself and watch as if I wasn't in the show, I thought our team was, was, was Dan specifically. It was very entertaining. Roman asks, who threw harder?

Luke throwing the game or Dan throwing the projector? Oh, but he caught it. Dan dropping that projector. That was crazy. That was like one of the craziest scrapyard wars moments ever. If I remember correctly. He was holding half of your team's entire budget. And not only was I holding half of the budget.

I also fell over the rest of the audio system, including the AV receiver, and literally everything else. So in one tiny little move, I could have destroyed all of our equipment. And I thought it was going to fall through the wall because it's like paper thin. But no, it seemed okay. I crushed it against the wall my hand

and that broke its fall. So good. I heard you told me a little bit about it. I was not going to tell you anything about it. Yeah, I think you told me that you bled, but that I'd have to watch it in the edit. And then watching the edit, the whole time I was just like,

oh my God. That was amazing. I think people didn't, because we were talking in Canadian dollars, I think people didn't fully understand how good my TV deal was, by the way. This is what I paid for a... Dude, your PlayStation deal was insane. That was a great deal. The PlayStation deal on the TV deal were crazy.

So that was another thing that people didn't fully appreciate was my price on the PlayStation. They were like, why is London is so excited about this price? Because I paid Canadian freaking dollars. Put 400 bucks in there. Because what's communicated to the office? audience at the beginning of the episode, I think, is that we have $1,400 or whatever. Yes. But then the whole time we're actually talking, we're talking about $2,000.

So it's a little confusing as a viewer. How much should I pay for the PlayStation again? Was it 400? Yeah. CAD TUSD. So I paid $288. What? For a PlayStation 5.

When I saw that in the episode, I was like, that's just. Two dual senses. I hear 460. And I got, even 460. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, let's fix it. I paid 460. 460 with the three games, though.

And two controllers. I paid $332 for a PS5, two dual senses, and three games. One of the games I sold for like $20, I think, $15 or $20. So I actually paid like $320 U.S. for a PS5 and two dual senses. And then for the TV, I paid $396 U.S. dollars for a 75-inch TV with a free, like, $200 MSRP, so $150 U.S. dollar soundbar, that I sold for $100 Canadian dollars.

So I paid like $320 for a 75-inch TV. First of all, Pinkrat's watching right now. I had no idea you were the guy at the shipping can from last, I had no idea that was him. That was nuts. I didn't know that until he told me. No one told me until I was just watching the episode.

And I was like, wait, what? And then obviously it was like, obvious when watching the episode again. So David Pancratz from my team this year is the guy who gave Luke his free PC last year. I didn't use any of it, but... Well, whatever. So that was nuts. And then when he was like selling the sound bar and the guy offered a hundred bucks or whatever,

and then I think he tried contacting you to like see if it was cool or not, I was like, oh my God, just take it! I was worried he was going to not get the deal. We got an offer on it really fast. people were like because it was brand new in box right that's always my concern with trying to resell is if it doesn't work out you can be kind of screwed but that TV was probably worth buying anyways last season we ran into like we ran into trouble where we used far more than what we had budgeted for the PC and we had like two full computers worth of stuff and people were like grinding me on the price trying to get me to bundle basically all of it for like well realistically it was about what I paid anyway so I wasn't going to lose money but but I was stressed because I was like I wanted to get rid of it

for like a decent price I wish we'd sold you the CPU last year when you guys wanted to buy it and we thought you were just messing with us that would have been so funny that would have been a first for Scrappyard Wars

is one team actually buying an item from the other team yeah I hope it happens someday I'm not gonna force it no no no no but I hope it happens organically someday that would be very funny oh man

anyway if you want to see us talk about this for seven hours straight. Oh yeah, right. We should move on. Check out the Floop plane episode. Floop plane episode. Oh, also there's another float plane exclusive this week. Luke and Sammy visit EFA. That is, wow, that is quite the thumbnail. We did that on purpose. Okay. Uh, yeah, well, people like this. I was talking about, heck yeah. I was talking about how, with Sammy, I was talking about how thumbnails with mouth open get less views. Really? And then he was like, it's float plane. Let's just send it. I was like, okay, sure. Interesting.

Is there a correct amount of mouth open? This is apparently a Mr. Beast thing. So if you look at like, let's see here, if you look at his stuff lately, um, yeah. So like if his mouth is open, his teeth are clenched.

Like he doesn't have mouth gape. Oh, yeah. Interesting. No mouth gape. None. There's a little. little bit right there. Little one, little one, tiny, tiny.

And there's technically a little one right here. Yeah, okay. But only like very, very minor. None of the like, oh, that we're used to from back in the day. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's been going on for quite a while now. And yeah, they released a thing a while ago saying they did,

they did a bunch of AB testing of like the exact same thumbnail. But just one of them had some mouth gape and one of them didn't. And the one without mouthgape always performed a little bit better. Interesting. Yeah. How do you know there's differences with different audiences and stuff? Like, I don't know that that's going to work for whatever different YouTube channel, but, yeah. All right.

Why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to do? So what's at Jimmy showing off those new veneers? As far as my understanding goes, those are Photoshopped. There's some weird, I watched a thing on it. There's a weird, they do it in video sometimes too, and he'll, like, turn it away, and it'll, like, turn off. And you can see his normal teeth, and then he'll turn back and they, like, clip back in. Odd. Really?

Odd choice. Yeah. Oh. Really? Apparently, he has, it wasn't photoshop. He has new fake teeth. Oh. Crazy.

Don't veneers, like, ruin your natural teeth, though? I have no idea, dude. I thought they did. I thought they have to, like, shave down part of your teeth in order to apply them or something. That always seemed like, that always seemed like an odd choice to me. And this is even coming from someone who is like done face treatments and, you know, whatever, right?

Like I've done Morpheus 8. I've done microneedling. Yes, your actual teeth are just little spikes. You've got to be kidding me. Crazy. There covers more than like gluing plastic to the front of them. You have to permanently have them? Shut up.

I have heard about regrowing teeth, though. They're working on, I think it's a drug treatment, right? Where they can stimulate teeth regrowth or something? Huh. It's just better protecting the net. Crowns do the same thing, but basically just artificial protecting the natural part. But can you have issues where, like, the real teeth under it are, like, impossible to clean and therefore they can, like, decay or something?

I don't know. I haven't looked into I haven't looked into veneers a ton Yeah so they did use AI to edit his teeth for a while But apparently Hold on, hold on, okay where? Because I had seen stuff like this before So you see like here, it's just a flat line

And then he actually has like shape to his teeth Right, right, right, right, right I'd seen someone make like a, there's a whole video with, like, a lot more detail on that? Yeah, I just, I can't imagine caring that much about Jimmy's teeth, but sure. Oh, no, I thought it was interesting, like, the lengths they would go to, and the fact that they went to those lengths,

but then also left examples of it, like, clipping back to real, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, yeah, I guess he has veneers now. I don't know. Dude, if I had major dental issues, I think I would just go straight to, like, solid white gold teeth. Yeah, why do they have to be separate? They just be like one... Well, no, no, no.

Individual solid, like old teeth. I think I would go straight for just the implants. Dan just wants like a... Like a, like, you get the mouth guards. So, blade. Just give me a giant gold blade. Jim carries the mask look. Yeah, there you go.

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What the hell is happening? Stop it. I'm trying to put it on Luke cam. Okay, there we go. Oh. Wait, what? What are your notes for this? Okay.

Well, Luke, tell the story of the magnificent pizza you had in Berlin. I will not... What are Dan's notes? I don't know. They never tell me anything. Okay, well, a long time ago, the... You know, I've been to Germany. either two or three.

Was it two separate trips for Sennheiser and Cherry? It was one trip. So I've been to Germany twice then. And one time I did some adventuring with Brandon afterwards the last time I was there. And we went to specifically one place that had pizza and only one place that had pizza. And we ordered a margarita pizza and it was the best pizza I've ever had. So when I was going around doing random stuff with Sammy this time, I was telling him all about the pizza and how good. it was, and I'm saying he should get one.

We ordered a margarita pizza, and do you have a photo of it? Is that what you have? No. Then what's prepped? The shot calls, like regular cam. There's no loop cam call in this. Okay, sure. Now there's no music.

Anyways, when I think of margarita pizza, this is what I think of, which is what comes up when you search margarita pizza and Google images. That's a margarita pizza. And you get a pizza. Disappointingly, there is no alcoholic. slush you beverage. I mean, sure. It says pizza in it.

I mean, yeah, sure. I can make an AI image of that. Lime and tequila. But you see, like, like this is kind of the quintessential one that I think of. Sure. Yep.

You have, you can usually see the sauce between the mozzarella thing. Yeah. You've got basil, like a pretty substantial amount of basil. Get that leaf. Cool. We got a pizza that looked

a lot more like this. Except just no green at all. Disappoint. It was just what I would call as a North American a cheese pizza. Yes. That's it. I thought we got pizza scammed because they had a photo that looked almost exactly like

this on, I think it's an AI photo, but they had a photo that looked almost exactly like that on their menu. We ordered a margarita pizza. Are you going somewhere with this? No, I don't know why this is part of the NASPA. So you had bad food? Yeah, basically. Okay.

We then asked Flowplane and apparently this is a margarita pizza. Yeah, it is. that sucks i hate that that's true they both are it basically just means cheese pizza but that's ridiculous the fancier ones are just like nicer cheese pizza yeah that's crazy yeah i've had margarita pizza that is that and i don't order margarita pizza anymore because every time i order it it is deeply disappointing so speaking of that i guess oh you know what's also disappointing wrist pain to five could lead to repetitive strain injuries putting you out of commission. Delta Hub's Carpio wristrest aims to address that, but with a twist.

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No, you will answer for this. I don't think it was Dan's plan. Regular Cam. Luke, tell story about the magnificent pizza, you and Sammy. Linus Cam, you know what's also disappointing wrist pain. So I was... Without anybody telling me that, I was supposed to just... You got it. You nailed it.

I mean, I'm not good, man. I was trying to get us there, and then you just... This is also the first time I've seen you, so... the wide can in a in a shot call true cool okay anyways it pisses me off that those are both margarita pizzas i think that is stupid yeah and i think people need to get their act together and figure that out because that is absurd you know what else is stupid google's android shenanigans and they've been officially called out by a grafino s developer on the official grapino s twitter account for recent moves that make GrapheneOS less secure.

It's a strange time to talk about Android protecting users. Android recently changed the security update system in a way which massively downgrades security and puts users at risk. Commercial exploit companies and governments can easily obtain access to broadly distributed partner previews. Adding four-month delays for patches is atrocious. Also in June, you claimed AOSP wasn't going anywhere. You then proceeded to not release

the July or August monthly updates to AOSP, followed by not releasing the September quarterly update. You officially communicated to the media and said AOSP releases were continuing, followed by three months of not publishing releases to it. Why should people believe what you say about side loading? Well said.

Well said. Graphene OS. Thank you very much for that. Google, get it together, please. Because I actually do want Apple to have competition, I think it's good for them. Intel, speaking of things that happen when you don't have enough competition, they just love 14 nanometer so much that they launched yet another 14 nanometer chip this week. The source here is Tom's hardware, who is reporting on Intel's new 14 nanometer, and I kid you

not, plus plus desktop CPU, that it turns out is just, a 10th gen CPU from, is it, four years ago? The Core I-5110 appears as far as anybody can tell to be literally a Core I-5-10-400 from 2020. So, sorry, excuse me, five years ago. Here's a comparison page of the two CPUs from Intel directly. So we're going to start at the bottom. Just for funzies.

VTX with extended page tables, yes, yes. Virtualization technology for directed I.O. Yes, yes. Virtualization technology. Yes, yes. Ah, Intel stable IT platform program. No. Oh, also no.

I'm not going to read all of these. So we're just going to go through and see if there's any differences that Intel can identify between these two chips. any at all Intel waiting for it. No, no, yes, yes. Package size, identical, T-junction, identical. LGA-1,200, brother, you are launching a CPU on a two platforms-a-go socket. Are you kidding me right now?

And it's not like when AMD launches a new AM-4 chip, and we're like, hey, Bro move, because there's a lot of AM4, you know, users out there who are running legitimately, like, much older chips that might need an upgrade now. This is like, you only supported this for a couple real generations and then some, like, weird refreshes. Some fico ones. So people who have this, like, already have a 10th gen CPU. This isn't an upgrade to any of that. Okay.

Scalability, one S only. One S. That means the same thing. Yeah, so far as, as far as I can tell, the differences are actually just the same. They're just written different. The device ID is the same. Do we need to keep going? Let's keep going.

Quick sync, open GL support. Oh, Lordy. Yop, that's all the same. That's all the same. Oh! 1.10 versus 1.1 gigahertz. Oh, man. Data entry is really fun.

It's DDR4. They're launching a DDR4 CPU today. What, why, why call it a new CPU? Literally, the only difference is the launch date. These are all just zeros. And the name. you didn't even fucking discount it

now to be clear the fact that they are the same price on ARC or sorry Intel.com slash content which used to be called ARC and used to have a cool brand and was way cooler way cooler just because it says $200 on ARC

does not mean that Intel expects anybody to pay $200 for these what is realistically probably happening is these are for developing markets where there's still a good volume of like old socket, old chipset motherboards and they can kind of dump them into markets that are, for example, that have extremely high taxes in the form of tariffs on imports, for instance. And so it's just at a high price to make sure that nobody outside of those markets is going to be caring about this and clamoring for them. But like, can we just

stop with the deceptive branding this is not a new product it doesn't need a new name just sell cheap 10-400s I don't

I don't I don't get it I don't understand I do get it I just hate it what is it then what does the product launch help with the product launch helps

make it look new to people who don't know and to people who won't do this comparison so someone who won't do this comparison so someone who who, like, think about the way that, okay, I'm going to have to come up with an example.

I was going to say Blender, but you would research the crap out of a blender. So, um, think about the way that you would buy. Good luck finding an example. You don't buy anything. And if I do, I research the crap out of it. Think about the way that Emma would buy a knife.

Okay. She would go to a store and there would be some knives. And if one of them was the same knife from five years ago, but with like, but it was you know we had a new handle on it that made it look like the knife from this year which realistically if it's a knife that was called the 2025 edition that might actually be the only change she'd be like that's the new one and so to the person who's going in and not like an enthusiast for knives or you know whatever they just go into a store and this is a this is this core ultra

I love how you you picked a category that we have like solid ones in because I looked it up yeah well like look the point is that most people don't care about the things that don't really impact them that much i suspect you wouldn't i suspect you wouldn't research a water bottle very much no i think that you would just buy a water bottle and you'd be like for LTT ones i just had an algin ones yeah it would just be kind of whatever that is fair um and so there are there are absolutely categories that we're not enthusiasts for and that's who they're targeting with this. I mean, it's not like a, it's not like a cutting edge top of the line gaming processor. It's like a, it's a six core 10th gen, right? So, which to be clear,

is actually still going to provide a pretty decently good gaming experience if it's paired with a, like, an appropriate GPU. It's a, it's a good chip. And so my problem is not that they're selling it. My problem is just like, why do we have to have this deceptive branding? I hate it. Just tell me what it is. That is my, End of my TED talk. eBay restricts items over $500 from shipping to the U.S. On August 27th, eBay started enforcing an update to its seller listing policy for sales to the United States to limit the sale of items from certain countries to $500, including shipping. According to the policy page on eBay, there had previously been restrictions in place but for items up to $2,500 in value.

The list of restricted countries is available on the eBay source link here, and eBay states that the policy is to ensure a good shopping experience for U.S. buyers and maintain high-quality shipping performance. I've actually seen quite a few Americans upset about shipping times for – I saw one that was about D-brand, which we are – our sponsor team is looking into, but what I will say is probably it is – it is – It has been very challenging to get shipping, to get shipments into the U.S. in a timely and cost-effective manner with all of the tariff, will they won't, they will, they will, they yes, they will, but not like this seesawing that has been going on. So this is, this is a practical impact.

This is interesting because I looked up the list that they linked. Yeah, like, Canada's not on here. Why Portugal, but not Spain? Germany's not on here. Switzerland's not on here. Uh No France La France

But French Polynesia is Yeah And French Guinea Guiana I don't know Singapore is That's kind of surprising to me I don't know man

Is Taiwan on here Nope Are you saying Taiwan is a country Yeah Based Hell yeah Based is Hell, yeah.

Is China on here? Um, oh, I don't know. No. What's the decision making here? I don't know. I just am saying, yeah, this is, this is what happens when things are confusing. Things get confusing.

Hey, though. Nintendo got another video game patent. Yay! I know you were excited to talk about this. It's interesting. I don't obviously like it but I think it's something to be aware of and it's interesting. Nintendo has been granted

a patent that covers the ability to summon another character and make them battle on your behalf which by itself is like oh god it then goes on to describe things in more detail a console or other system

is being used to run a video game from storage that was kind of weird just off the hop I thought that was weird because why wouldn't a game cart count? Maybe that counts as a form of storage. I don't know. The player controls...

Yeah, anything is storage. Yeah, exactly. So it's playing a game. A CD is storage. A floppy disk is storage. Ram is a form of storage. I mean, I wouldn't call it storage. It technically is, though.

If I had in my house, a cremation, you know, oven. Yeah. Right? would you call it storage i mean in that case if every time the power goes out it stores the fire goes on dust like i don't think your fireplace is storage i'm sorry i'm sorry i disagree with you so if you loaded a game into ram you could avoid their patent um sure i that's my interpretation not a lawyer go ahead i don't think it is i think it is storage but anyways um a console or other system is being

used to run a game from storage, the player controls a character in a virtual space. The player can perform an input command to make a sub character appear, i.e. summon another character. If there's an enemy where the subcharacter appears, the player can control a battle between the subcharacter and the enemy. And if there's no enemy where the subcharacter appears, the subcharacter will automatically move around. Isn't this just a familiar? is Nintendo do they did they they got this patent the player yeah the player can move the subcharacter to a different location on the field and if an enemy is there they can control a battle between the subcharacter and the enemy I think one of the minor

differences is that uh the battle wouldn't be between like you and your thing it's just a battle between the thing that you're controlling and one enemy in this case you're not involved other than commands because I thought like basically any video game warlock like think Diablo not warlock I guess Diablo Necromancer

you're summoning a thing it can go out and fight things but it doesn't perfectly follow this because it's not like one summon because in Diablo usually it's multiple and they just kind of hover around you you don't like send them out and it doesn't create like one-on-one battles they just all fight right so it's like it doesn't it

doesn't perfect the like necro example doesn't perfectly fit um this thing i don't think um the the the the the the the the reason this could be scarier than a traditional trademark is in the case of ip law nintendo is required to fight and protect it protect itself with a trademark or else they could lose it patents are not like that meaning nintendo technically has to um pick and choose privileges on which infringement they want to pursue, which gives them even more power. They can let people that they like get away with things and they can go after others, and that won't make them lose this patent. Discussion question is there a universe out there where a patent on a video game mechanic

like this could be good for the consumer, and I can't imagine one. Although it is getting really weird with basically every popular game getting immediately ripped off by Roblox. So I'm not sure how that works. Someone in float plane chat said apparently a part of the patent is that the thing has to be stored in a sphere. So basically they're trying to patent Pokemon battles, essentially. Man, could Nintendo just, like, Nintendo has no problem being the beneficiary of innovative gameplay mechanics. I don't believe that Mario Kart was the first racing game for instance. I mean, they're like sports titles were definitely not the first sports titles.

But when they're on the other side of the equation, they behave like petulant children. I don't think there's really any good justification for this. Adam added to this, okay, hear me out. Could we create a system where large corpo plaintiffs are allowed to sue, but they have to cover the legal cost of the defendant, uh until the decision is made that would actually be kind of a cool way to disincentivize like

bull crap lawsuits it's very interesting um could be extended to DMCA takedowns if Universal wants to sue you they can but they have to pay your court fees while you defend yourself that would be kind of wild I think it's really interesting I think there's some concerns um of like until they win if they win then you're responsible for whatever the judgment is i still

i feel i kind of like this i think it's worth doing i do think there's some concerns like i think people might get a false sense of security i think like i'm obviously going to win this and then they have infinite money on their end and they just win through money which is like a thing that you i think i think you could set it up so that you have to provide the same funding to both sides so if you if you basically you have to so you have to in escrow or whatever you have to like you have to or not an escrow because then the defendant wouldn't actually have it but whatever you spend pursuing pursuing it oh i think it would have to only apply to like individuals that's also cool and interesting yeah but it comes with its own pitfalls in my mind

because again false sense of security if you think you're going to win this could ruin you for your entire life but remember versus a slap on the wrist for the game company but you'll have a super cool team of lawyers to tell you you're not going to win and then you'll to lose some money but not as much I guess yeah so you'll have to reach some kind of settlement the point is just that you wouldn't be able to intimidate people I think it's cool in general I think it's cool in general you wouldn't be able to just there's definitely an idea here that I think we should do as if we could do anything yeah when we're in when we're in charge of Canada then we will we'll be sure to implement something like that running marathons yeah actually kind of cool

Carney ran a marathon oh did it got a pretty good time apparently oh okay man good for him I didn't actually look into it because I don't care. I saw, I mean, that's neat. I saw that there's talk of as part of the rift with our southern neighbors and attempts to mend fences with our far eastern neighbors, perhaps getting rid of the 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs. I've heard very rumor mill things about this. It's very interesting. Prime Minister Carney, if you're watching. I have a humble request.

If you're going to do this, I want a commitment from the Chinese EV manufacturers that they are going to replace the manufacturing jobs that we are going to be losing, especially in Ontario, with their own manufacturing within our borders that will at some point probably end up serving other parts of North America as well.

I think that's one concession. I also think that we should be getting strong investment from those companies in renewable energy here to support the EV charging that we're going to need to do a lot more of because we're going to have like $11,000 EVs. That is my two cents on the matter. I also think that we need to carefully consider our strategic minerals and not give up too much of that as. part of this whole process because I suspect that would be part of well look I have no problem with the Chinese mining the minerals if they're also manufacturing the batteries and EVs within Canada they can they can they can't think that's going to go well they can capitalistically benefit from that from that harvesting by selling within our market they can have access to the market okay I mean I don't

think I'm going to get my deal because we also need like canola farmers to be able to export to China and stuff there's a whole thing there but um I I I don't think I'm going to get my deal because we also need like canola farmers to be able to export to China and stuff. There's a whole thing there. But I want some automotive manufacturing on the continent. You can't just like wage, we are the only ones who can manufacture cars anymore, warfare. I don't think that's cool. Yeah, I think that's exactly what they want to do, though. Well, that is exactly what they want to do. Yeah. Yeah. How would you tackle the jobs thing? Because this is, this is a song that has been saying many a time where a company's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to get a ton of jobs here. we're going to build this like massive factory and that it's 90% automated and there's 10 jobs.

So do you do like it has to be X amount of jobs that are in, you know, some certain level of average income versus the countries. I don't know how you tackle that. I don't know. I mean, it obviously needs some consideration because I don't really care if they're manufacturing jobs. They could be service jobs. They could be whatever. It doesn't matter.

As long as there are, as long as there is a net positive. workforce benefit to having this work being done here? I think I actually do care. You care about specifically manufacturing. Because remember, that automated equipment is on our soil now. I care in the sense that it should be defined. I don't necessarily care that it needs to be manufacturing. Sure.

Because the reason why I'm saying I do care is because you just had service jobs. If they end up just like opening a bunch of restaurants and then just like... No, not service. Okay, sure. I see what you mean. I meant service, like, in the, like, maintenance of and... They're going to try to work around. Yeah, if there's anyone who would out scrapyard wars us, it would be the CCP.

Yeah. Fanboy NZ says, hot take Linus, Canada carmakers should compete. Which ones? Beaumont? Our domestic automotive industry was gutted decades ago by the Americans. So we're basically just trading. one for another at this point. Make Bombadier, make cars.

You mean bombardier? Bombardier. Bombardier. I want a bombardier car, dude. WTF is a Beaumont. Beaumont Canadian car manufacturer. Here you go. There you go.

Beaumont automobile. This is a 1968 Beaumont S.D. 396. Dude, they're kind of sick. Not going to lie. Pretty cool. Looks a lot like a GTO. Mid-sized automobiles. Oh, it was a make made by General Motors

of Canada. So even then, it was based on the Chevelle. It was barely even Canadian. Dude, a Bombardier car would go sick. Go really hard, though. Yeah, over the snow. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They make planes. A lot of companies that made planes. It went into cars. They actually make the sickest plane right now.

The global 8,000 is like... I'm just saying the BMW logo is a propeller. There are lots of car companies that made planes. Look at this thing. Proud Canadian here, boys. It is the fastest business jet in the world. It has a range of 8,000... nautical miles.

This thing can go almost 15,000 kilometers on a single fill-up. And it travels at Mach. 0.94. Wow. I think it's the fastest plane since the Concord.

Don't they have that? Well, that carries passengers. Okay. Yeah. Obviously a fighter jet or whatever is going to be. No, no, no, no. I thought they had like a new, new, new Concord thing going on.

I think there's something. something in development from what's their nuts Boeing or something but Lord only knows if that I'll ever be finished Uh seven of lesbians ask

Does Bombardier even exist anymore Thought they were gutted by private equity I don't know They seem to be doing okay Shows you what I know If that's true But no that's not my understanding I thought Bombardier is kind of doing stuff

At this point The NW airplane is misinfo Regardless My point was that a lot of companies that make cars used to make airplanes And that's true I don't really care too much about the logo Um

Anyway yeah Global 8,000 looks sick Could literally never afford one Uh Ed Zeem in Floatplane chat Says 78 million dollar Price tag Ugh

Uh Uh Hold on Do they have any interior shots I mean the interior is basically gonna Look how big the windows are My goodness dude Are you kidding me?

The healthiest of cabins. Look at this. Oh, my. Look at this. God. I guess I'll just sleep in my, like, I don't know, that's at least a full, right? Is that a full-sized bed?

Yeah. It looks like a full to me. And here's the cuck chair, built right in. Rough. Well, sorry, what's rough? Being. not the fabric on the chair

yeah no definitely not okay anywho what are we supposed to be talking about ah yes okay okay okay um okay I just liked this because it's what

Owen um Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru did in Star Wars oh yeah it's a moisture evaporator what are they called in Star Wars. Are they called

moisture evaporators? Or? I thought they had like a few different contraptions. I don't know. But basically moisture evaporator? Well yeah, that doesn't make any sense. What are they called? Well, just moisture farmer. No, no, I think the thing's called something. He's not talking about the moisture evaporators. Yeah, moisture evaporator. Wait, that doesn't make

sense either. Okay, well. Vaporators? Yeah, that doesn't make sense because that would turn it to vapor. Seems weird. Moister evaporators is right. It says pancreas. I trust pancreas. moisture evaporators I mean it's Star Wars technology It doesn't matter

The point is now there's Star Wars technology And that was all I really had to say about that Yeah I just saw this thing and I was like Oh my God it's Star Wars MIT is testing a new technology To pull water from the air The idea is not new

But the hydro gel technology they're using is It's a window-sized panel made of absorbent hydrogill infused with salt folded up enclosed in glass The material absorbs water vapor From the air and swells Then it shrinks as it evaporates

as it evaporates. The water condenses on the glass and flows down a tube. Currently, it makes about two-thirds of a cup of water a day, but requires zero power. The hope is that these could be scaled up and improved to provide drinking water

for a single household. Could be great for emergency situations. And the discussion question is, how much moisture was Uncle Owen farming? I don't know. Presumably quite a bit, because he had like hectares of these moisture evaporators, right?

So, Star Wars. I think they kind of brush over it, but I don't think... Tatween have lakes? I don't think any at all. So I think all of the water for that entire planet was from these moisture farms. So it must have been like an incredible amount. Yeah. Yeah.

Why did anybody settle there? It's crazy. Right? Mexico is taxing video games. I mean, you can say that about places in the world now in real life. Well, yeah, but in the world now, in real life they were like always there but like Taduin is like space

travel like I understand why the Tuscans are there I don't understand why humans bothered it's like do you really have to imperial like conquer and occupy everything Mexico has published their 2026 economic package and under the

healthy taxes section there is a mention of an 8% special tax on digital services offering violent video games. Here's their reason. Recent studies have found a relationship between the use of violent video games and higher levels of aggression among adolescents, as well as negative social and psychological effects such as isolation and anxiety. Referring to the study, the effect of video games on social, psychological, variables in children and adolescents.

There we go. The article itself, as some people have pointed out, is actually a well-written study. The problem is it's from 2012 and has outdated information such as references to MySpace. Others pointed out that the economic package also cherry-picks certain words and cases from the study to justify the tax even further. Our discussion question is, while the narrative of video games cause violence continues to parade through politics and often has studies disproving it, even if it were true, is an 8% tax the correct solution? if they were trying to somehow mitigate the supposed damage that these video games are doing?

No. So the very fact that their solution is to tax it by 8% be lies that they obviously don't actually consider this to be a problem that they need to solve because if they did, they would have a real solution, not just a silly little tax. So basically, yeah, it's a steam tax. Which, you know,

Our moisture evaporators are only getting two-thirds of a cup a day. We can't pay a steam tax. Oh, man. I love that you tripped over the name because it's like actually so bad of a name. Yeah. Oh, well. Yikes. I don't have a lot to say to that other than yikes.

Sure. Google admits the open web is in rapid decline. Google's lawyers in a September 5th court ruling court filing said the fact is that today the open web is already in rapid decline. They were arguing that the plaintiff's divestiture proposal would only accelerate that decline, harming publishers who currently rely on open web display advertising revenue. Notable change from May comments by Google VP of Search, Nick Fox, saying in quotes, from our point of view, the web is thriving.

But there's good news. A co-creator of RSS. Oh, yeah, this is actually really interesting. A co-creator of RSS, Eckert Walter, helped launch RSL, or really simple licensing. A free and open standard that RIS technically calls beefed-up robots. TXT instructions, which is a solution to AI discriminating click-throughs, decimating click-throughs, or pay-per-crawl. the discussion question is will loms pay up against rsle i mean no i mean they've still in everything up until now so what are we do we really think there's any hope that this will fix anything

um i think that it will help lay legal framework for fighting i think that's really the only chance i don't think it's actually going to stop anything from happening um but it should put some ammunition on the side of people that are upset about it we've got a couple more today Warner Brothers is an unlikely ally in the fight against AI Slop and has sued Mid-Journey On Thursday, Warner Bros. Discovery filed a lawsuit

against AI company Mid-Journey for purposefully infringing copyrighted work to the tune of either $150,000 per infringed work, which could add up to hundreds of millions, or all profits that Mid Journey has made related to WB properties. In the 101-page suit, Warner Bros. lawyers write, evidently, Mid Journey will not stop stealing property

until a court orders it to stop. Mid Journey's large-scale infringement is systematic, ongoing, and willful, and Warner Bros. discovery has been and continues to be substantially and irreparably harmed by it. there's actually some really good examples let me check if the Polygon yeah this is amazing so this is this is from Polygon here Dan do you mind linking to the article

if people want to check out more of the examples but this is pretty incriminating not only did Mid Journey clearly output know what Superman looks like but like specifically specifically,

exactly what Warner Bros. copyrighted character. And now look, we can have an awful... It's bad out you. We can have an awful... I don't think that was mid-Journey.

We can have an awful long conversation about whether Warner Brothers fairly compensated the creators of various DC characters and properties and all of that. That's a longer conversation. But what I will say is...

Mid-Journey looks pretty, pretty guilty here. And in the current legal framework, that is Warner Brothers IP. This seems like a pretty big yikes. We just have to find out, again, as all of this makes its way through the legal system, are there going to be any consequences? And will those consequences be lasting? Because the way that I see it, now that all of this is kind of out there, there's no way to put, you know, Pandora back in her box. Yeah, it's out of the box.

So, you know, what happens then? Does Mid Journey go bankrupt? But then a bunch of people who have been paying themselves out of Mid Journey's investment funds and now have their own personal hordes of wealth, just start another one and then use what, well, Mid Journey stole that. I mean, it's just out there now. honestly likely finding the same investors again in a lot of cases same key investors at least yeah Osiris asks are you going to be seeing Super Mario Galaxy

in theaters honestly I'd rather watch it at home is that the name of the sequel I'm amazed they went straight to the galaxy okay cool yeah I'd rather watch it at home dude I got a new TV It happens so often No, it doesn't even happen that often

I had the TCL for two years Oh wow Almost two years It felt a lot shorter than that Yeah Dude Is it that much better It doesn't have as many backlight zones

By a lot Which for a TV that size Is a bit of a challenge Can you notice it? Yes But It has an RGB back light.

RGB. Gamer. Okay, but it actually has benefits for image quality because instead of shining white through an LCD, you're shining color. So the color volume that it can achieve. And the reason I thought of it is because Super Mario Bros. is a movie

that looks amazing on it. Also, it uses a standard Vesa bolt pattern so I can actually put it on like a standard wall mount and I can bring it a little closer. So my 116 inch TV can be closer to the actual viewing size of the 120 inch projector that I used to have

mounted right to the wall. So, dude, yeah, I would actually seriously rather watch it at home. Sweet. Heck yeah. Oh, unique username says you've already talked about it. Okay, well, it's actually installed now. We installed it on, or not installed. We opened it on Monday. I haven't installed it yet. So the video of us, like, opening it and trying it is in the works. And then we're actually going to to throw the full gamut of labs testing at it and do like an installation vlog and that'll be like a second video because it's really expensive. Okay, so I'm not going to play it because even though it's a trailer, we get copyright strikes for trailers all the time. Okay. That looks like it's what it's called. 13 hours ago from IGN. It's probably real. Oh yeah,

cool. Official title announcement, Nintendo Direct, the Super Mario Galaxy movie. Kind of surprised by the title, just like you said. A long time ago in a Super Mario Galaxy far, far away. Lostless streaming on Spotify is coming. No, but for real this time. It will be rolling out to more than 50 markets through October with some already starting to get access now. The service is going to be included for premium subscribers.

It won't be a new subscription tier. And it's been a long time coming with rumors starting as early as 2017. Coming later this year. Oh, oh, so you're coming later this year in 2021 and almost ready in May of 2024. Discussion question. Do you care? Uh, yeah, a little bit, and it just feels like being on whatever it's even called now, YouTube music is just a more and more sad experience over time.

Really? Well, it used to be Google Play music. Oh, yeah, Google Play was way better. And it was actually like a way better app. Yeah. And then they just made it way worse. And then I don't think, I can't name anything that improved about it since they made the change. I can name a couple.

What's improved? It's way easier to access music videos No, sorry Since after the change happened What has, like Okay, we have YouTube music now Yeah, we're on here now It's good, cool, whatever

YouTube music is, it's better for watching music videos If you care about that No, I know Oh After we got to the platform, so we got to platform, cool, we are here It's better for finding music videos What has now happened? Because it's been years

I can't think of a new feature that came out The only thing I can think of Is they do recaps now Which they just stole from Spotify And I don't care about Yeah I skipped them Yeah What needs to improve

The user experience of YouTube music Is just worse in a lot of ways Barry the hatchet with Sonos So I can just cast to my Sonos speakers please the google play sonose experience was or google play music oh it was so good i would just i would be listening to my headphones as i walked in the door and then i would just have my youtube or my google play music app open and i would just click cast and then select the speaker and it would just cast and i like it wouldn't even practically skip a beat it was amazing i wish if it

considering they killed the podcast app if they made podcasts within youtube music better i know there but if they made it better that would be nice sorry handyman i don't think the experience of podcast stuff within youtube music is all that fantastic um as for lossless formats honestly i mean i don't know i don't know if i really care i i'm pancrat's posted in here i'm just waiting to see the videos about how people can definitely hear the difference on their like bluetooth ear buds yeah yeah me too i i i think there's a lot of um it takes a really really really fine setup where even like the trained ear can like really tell the difference between lossless and a pretty decently high quality stream so for me i think having lossless just generally if i know it's real

communicates to me that i'm not getting cheaped out on an audio quality but the thing is that it's not oh i guess yeah not cheaped out on in terms of like the cost of delivery but like not the lossless master might not even necessarily be the best one that's fair so good luck everyone i mean i think in a lot of cases it probably is but i don't think i have a particularly fantastic ear but yeah yeah I don't know that's a good point about the master not being particularly better um flush door handles on EVs can fail so China is now banning them uh whoops I just moved a thing with modern EVs in cars the style has trended towards flush and sleek door handle designs the problem is that in the event of a power loss these handles can

prevent people from accessing the car. The main concern comes from emergency situations like first responders not being able to assist easily. China is apparently looking at banning these style handles by 2027 for these reasons. And our discussion question here is, what is your favorite breakfast cereal? I thought the handle thing is interesting because some of them, you can kind of press in one side and it pops the handle out. Yeah, but it's still powered.

So it requires power to do that because there's an assumption with EVs that they are always powered because they don't just run off of like a 12 volt lead acid battery for basic functions like you've got access to a high voltage high amperage battery pack because if you didn't then it would be like completely off no one would be operating it press this isn't it just a lever it's not just a lever you press the side it depends not all of them are the same so there's ones that when you press it it's like you're you're opening it or like the uh the actual retraction like on the on the model s it wasn't even a lever if i recall correctly it was like fully motorized that it would come out so it just depends um i don't know i've been partial to mini-weets lately

but elijah said i couldn't think of a good question for this since it seems like a no-duh moment i don't know last time i had cereal so i don't know um oh yeah i guess it's just like too many calories for you now too much sugar i haven't been eating as much cereal lately either i love serial. I'm unhappy. We'll get there, not yet. Yeah. LIDAR Can Damage your camera sensor. MKBHD shared a video showing his damaged camera sensor from the

infrared lasers from LIDAR navigation systems on a car. This is in part due to the Class 1 lasers coming from these sensors but also due to the focusing effect of the camera's lens. Here are some shots of the damage from the LIDAR sensors.

Ro. That's a bummer. naturally the closer the sensor the higher the risk of damage the sensor damaging lasers are in the infrared spectrum which should not pose a threat to your vision as the fluid in your eye absorbs the infrared light before it would damage your retina this is not health advice i'm not a doctor so feel free to keep staring directly into those waymos but be careful with your camera sensor and that's our last topic so why don't we jump into after dark after dark let's do it man this felt like a long way show already, didn't it? I think it was. We're at three and a half hours. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, all right. Yeah. Wow. Because we started like, are you mocking? Are you mocking? No, I'm agreeing. No, he's mocking.

Sarcastically. He is mocking. See, that's what I said. That's what I thought. It's very mockable. Be gone. My goodness. Hey, Linus, I'm a huge crosscode fan.

What made you a fan of the game? Also, are you excited for Alabaster Dawn. Is that their new game? Have they named it? What is this? Two and a half D-action RPG from the creators of Crosscode. Does it have a release date?

Am I supposed to be excited yet? I don't think so. No, to be announced. Oh. Alabaster Dawn. Ooh. Demo release date. Demo?

Demo, you say. Radical fish games. I mean, there's, dude, there's like nothing on here. Um, we're supposed to Steam. I mean, I'll obviously play it. They did. Crosscode is so great.

So they had a playable demo at Gamescom 2025. Okay. So I thought it was like an online demo, but yeah, I think it's just a playable demo at gamescom. Sounds great. Can't wait. I will, I will, okay. We always say don't pre-order. Right?

But, but, but I have actually. And there's some precedent for this. I, so remember when I pre-ordered Bill Waterson's weird adult graphic novel thing that was terrible? Yeah. Okay. And remember, do you remember what I said to you, though?

I said no matter how bad it was, you were going to buy it anyways. I could never pay Mr. Waterson enough for Calvin and Hobbs and what it meant to me and how much entertainment it has given me over the years. He won't take my money in the form of Hobbs plushies for my children so if I have to give him

20 bucks or whatever it is for his utterly worthless worthless piece of garbage adult novel thing whatever the crap that was I will do it happily I'll do it happily I would buy it

again I'm not saying a lot because it was bad it was awful truly awful just maybe not awful but just pointless um so

radical fish same book for me I didn't pay enough for crosscode so I will I will just buy the new one and if it totally sucks sweaty hairy

donkey dick I will still have not paid them enough for crosscode and I will I will happily I will I will happily uh give them the money make sure

your wish listing things on Steam too that's really important for creators it is actually super important up next why is it is it just a funding thing no it's a Steam algorithm thing super super super important because Steam doesn't have like an engagement platform yeah sure that's it's all that matters and it cost

nothing hey y'all last when Linus mentioned his daughter starting to model for the P1S what modeling program do you have her using I use inventor at work and exit school but money money money for a copy for him um i think she's using like a free tier of tinker cad it's whatever they like showed her at the little like maker classes that she goes to is is

tinker cad good is yeah yeah that's something else she should be using i think that's like an open-ish source i can't quite remember but it's pretty good get her learning solid works future engineer um yeah i've been super super super impressed with her taking initiative on this because so cool yeah and and it's so cool she hasn't always been the most self-motivated uh but she is self-motivated to go and and like fix it when it's not working and to um to learn more about it like the fact that she's going and learning about filament types and stuff I'm I'm super impressed by because it's not that simple for like you know someone who's like still around her first decade. I'm trying to see if I have any of the

stuffed animals. She makes stuffed animals now. That's another thing that she's gotten into. So Yvonne hasn't done the short circuit on it yet but she picked up an embroidery machine and my daughter's been learning how to use that as well. So she's she's going to be starting to learn both, like, additive manufacturing and, um, some, some more, like, I guess it would still be an STL, right? Like, an embroidery machine, probably? Um, is it like vectorized, I think. Yeah, I don't know, but she's, yeah, she's... SVGs and things like, think about it, like a laser cutter. Um, embroidery is actually really weird if you're doing CNC embroidery, it's like stitch types and overlaps and it can get really

weird. Yeah, so she's getting into all kinds of wild stuff these days. So cool. Anyway. Okay. Hey, LLD, love the show. Linus, I was wondering if you had any more thoughts on the Oslo Sleep Buds after using them for a moment while. My mom and I both got pairs after seeing a review, and they've improved, I guess, sleep. Generally, I only take those with me on trips, where I still find the, uh, the, the, the, the pairing of the AirBods, AirPods a little bit more painless. But if I'm going to be on like a long flight and I really need to not be disrupted by my

AirPods running out of battery and I don't mind like kind of setting up because you have to pair to the base station, which pairs to your phone, it's a whole thing. Really good product, really cool product. But I don't use them super regularly. I should probably give them another shot with the latest updates at home. I haven't used them lately because I haven't done any overseas travel. Hello, Linus. This is not a question, though. Actually, it is. You talked before that Linux Linus is perfectly capable of building himself a PC. What changed? You just thought to ask? Yeah, I just, I don't know. I summoned the bravery to handle the rejection if he said no. And I shot my shot.

Hell yeah. And he was super chill and cool about it. Hell yeah. With Linus Torvalds potentially coming onto the show, is there a possibility to get on Richard Stallman and build him a computer with non-proprietary software? We need the Stallman build. Why don't we see how it goes with Mr. Torvalds first, and then we can kind of put together a wish list

of super cool computer industry luminaries to bring onto the show and build computers with? I feel like for Stallman, if we did that, if he was cool with it, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, um, if risk was at a point where it was, like, legitimate, that would be sick. We could, I mean, we could do a relatively simple build and just put one of those, uh, risk five motherboards into, like, a framework or something. Yeah.

Could be neat. Hello, Bob Slob and Knob Linus. What was it? Hold on. Who's who? What? I mean, I feel like Bob is the only one that's not horrible. horrible.

I'll take slob. You'll take slob. I'll take knob. You can be Bob. You know you're not the one who takes knob. Anywho. Slurp. Linus, what was it like holding a memory module from the Saturn 5 rocket?

My God, yeah. It's after dark. Shut up. I ran out of air. It was like holding history. It was really cool. It's one of those emotional experiences. And normally holding a computer component or whatever is not,

it's a non-emotional experience. But the craftsmanship, or should I say, craftswoman ship, because apparently the... The woven ones? Yeah, the folks who assembled them were almost exclusively women on display. It was just so apparent. so it was somewhere in between a cool piece of technology and like literal actual art very cool

this stuff just just for reference yeah like what the heck is even going on this is like I don't know some of that era's technology is wild my algorithm delivered me the virtual inertial reference system with the gyroscopes and the how, how, how, how? This is the biggest slide rules.

I was trying to figure out how slide will work with my dad the other day. He learned about them in school, never know how he figured it out. Anyway, Luke, you spoke a bit about classic battlefield last week. I also miss maps like Battle of Britain, filling up a bomber with six players. Also, did you ever play Battlefield Vietnam? Yeah, I think I played pretty much all of the old battlefields I didn't know they did a battlefield Vietnam That's a weird war to make a video game about

Wasn't that? I thought that might have been an expansion I think it was an expansion is that you just can't win Rough Oh yeah, yeah Is this a full game? I remember this actually I think it was an expansion No, it's a full game

Shut up Developed by Digital Illusions Canada I know I played it but I thought it was an expansion Maybe by Canadian standards, you know, the Vietnam War wasn't that bad. Yeah, fair. Oh, yeah, that was like a Tuesday. I don't think we wrote any conventions that time. So, like, what's the point?

We didn't make the, the, what's the point? Chemicals. Yeah, exactly. Maybe they learned from us. Include us next time. Apparently was the first with helicopters. We have ideas. What if you put?

what if you put the gas in the cans instead of helicopters blades they're actually blades just more on the bottom chainsaws I'm already hiccuping so much my God I'm sorry

but yeah I know I I love Battlefield games I think I don't think it's just Battlefield the problem I think AAA as a whole kind of lost the plot there for a long time forgetting the games needed to be fun they focused on graphics

they focused on just a wide variety of things that weren't just like the game being good and fun and it seems like we might maybe in some cases be coming back to that

which is cool. Hopefully the next GTA is good, hopefully the next battlefield is good and hopefully we keep going from there but we'll see I can't even talk Heller Limus watch the Chromebook video and was wondering what the most awkward situation you were in when in public.

I'm sure lots of recognition happens at Best Buy. Oh, man, awkward. Man, I don't even know if I can remember anymore. Every time it's like a, what was the most X that you why? I have such a hard time. It's like never going to be accurate. It's just going to do whatever one you remember. Oh.

Yeah. The worst one you remember that moment. like it. Man, I'm like awkward all the time. I had, I had an employee, uh, come and say by to me recently because it was their last day and just to shake hands. And I was, and I was like, I said something like completely wrong. I, oh yeah, I remember what I said. I remember what I said. I was, I said, welcome. Because I just, my brain completely the opposite it. Um, what I meant to say was like, thank you. Thanks for everything, you know.

And, and they were, like, like, I, I said welcome, like, I'd never met them. They worked here over two years. Like, I completely knew who they were, and I knew they were coming, because I knew that they had tendered their resignation a little while ago, and I was just like, I was like, welcome. And then as I tried to recover, I made it, like, way worse. Yeah. So that wasn't in public, but it sucked. That's pretty epic.

Yeah, I, I've just, dude, I, when I'm. I'm on the spot. I just can say just like the dumbest stuff. Like I think I've told the story about the time the border guards asked me where I was going and I said the wrong place just because I was tense, not because I was doing anything illicit. Where are you off to? Crimes? Last one I got for you today. Oh, you missed the Chromebook one. Did you skip that one? I thought that was it. Oh, wait, that was it? Yep. Good job.

Was that it? Okay, thank God. Would be awesome to know what the pool of mystery items is. I would great. grab a mystery hoodie if that was the case. Also, I'm colorblind. What color is iron? Cargo pants. Oh, iron is not the ones I'm wearing. I'm wearing the blue ones. Gray. Yeah. So they're not

what you see. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You should be able to handle it. Pool of mystery items. Yeah, but that's the point of mystery items is that they're kind of whatever they are. And that's why they're cheaper. It would make it really tedious because it like constantly changes. Yeah. So.

So it's supposed to be a low-cost way of liquidating stuff that we need to liquidate for whatever reason. And actual last one. Howdy LD. Have you guys heard about the D-D-DOS attacks happening to Faf-Fever-Ever? Faf-Ever-Ever.

Supreme Commander. Oh, the new one, yeah? No. No. The old one. The old one. Forged Alliance forever. It's a community project. The fact that someone's attacking this is... Oh, damn. Whoever's attacking this is a butthole. They are asking for help defending.

Sphincter. Tight? No. No. Damn. And dirty. No. The continuous.

Unwashed sphincter. It leaks. The continuation of F.A. forever on their form. Yeah. I hadn't heard about the DDoS attacks. That's super uncool. And I don't even know how we would begin to... What do they want?

They want help defending DDoS attacks. But like, I don't know anything about their infrat. Does someone have a link to them talking to them? talking about this or something. F forever. F-A-F-F-F-Ever-Dan, for crying out loud. It's just Forgeal... Why is this happening?

It's just Forge Alliance forever. This is a recompense for X-E. I guess. Oh, my goodness. No, I mean my hiccups, not you saying it weirdly. Oh. They need contributors with solid software development background to help address the latest attack vectors.

Oh. yeah oh this is such a bummer to read um the past decade of the internet the past decade the internet has changed significantly in my personal view the internet used to be more innocent as a small open source service providers such as f a forever it was unthinkable that we would be the target of malicious actors yep and because of that the infrastructure was never designed to be resilient of course their basic authentication and authorization checks but in general our implementation assumed the user consuming the service acted in good faith yeah a lot of the internet kind of just sucks now

man this is so not cool unfortunately i don't have any development help to offer but what i do have is a farewell for all of you we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel this is not the show you're looking

for anymore tonight bye ootabuta mind trick man I'm going to crash so hard I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm so long show

I'm sorry I'm so why do You know,