The WAN Show - I Tried To Take A Quiet Vacation - WAN Show March 21, 2025

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

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Today, we'll be talking about why I'm so sleep deprived that I'm basically mildly intoxicated. We'll also be talking about... Uh... Ah, yes, ah yes, we issued a correction to one of our videos this week. The whole process was very efficient and made a ton of sense. Yeah, also the EU says that Apple can make a portless iPhone and is Steam coming to Xbox? Really, that's what you picked. That's weird. Portless iPhone and Xbox

Steam. Yeah, what would you do? I don't know, sublimated iPhone and portless Xbox it's gonna be a show today I'm powerless The show is brought to you today by Squarespace Vessi and Thorum wait what what is this jerky doing here? It's also brought to you by our rap partner deeper and Top partner Dell yes our laptop partner tell and our chair partner secret lab. They won't tell me why the jerky's here Yeah, we genuinely have no idea why that's there. It's because we're the boys

And we make prank calls, I don't know it doesn't There was a thing in like the early 2000s you kicked my talk Okay, I remember the prank calls. What does that have to do with jerky? They were called the jerky boys, okay, I didn't know that okay does that warrant a bell Look I've slept like five hours in the last two days. And I made the extremely, extremely poor choices, poor choices move of having a nap like an hour and a half ago. And so I just got back from at least three countries. Singapore, I think, is a country, right? Yeah.

I mean, in Civ, it's a city state. Are they countries? I love geographical knowledge coming from Civ. Well, that's the only place I get it after school. And I had a literally useless social studies teacher. So I'm just going based on what Mr. Sid Meier, Professor Meier taught me. It's a country. Wonderful. Then I was just in three countries. This was probably the most hectic vacation that I've ever been on. It was much harder

work than being in office. I'm actually extremely grateful to be back at work. You know how long we were gone. We were gone for I think 12 days or something like that. We stayed in six different hotels. Whoa. And I was there with the whole, not, no, I mean the whole family. Like my nuclear family, my, my sister-in-law and like her kids and everything and my in-laws. So my wife's parents and my sister-in-law's parents. Pete Slauson That's a lot of people.

Jared Slauson My children's grandparents. Pete Slauson Between hotels every two days. Jared Slauson And there was a lot of like family reunioning and you know, stuff. And there was a lot of, my wife is a bit of a type A. so a lot of like okay today we're hitting the bird the bird sanctuary and then we're gonna hit the something anyway the point is that I'm going to try to tell you everywhere that I stayed and I will probably get it wrong got it I already forget but we definitely start no stop we definitely started we started in Bali we definitely started, we started in Bali.

So we started in Indonesia and that was cool. I don't know, maybe next week I'll show you guys some pictures or something, it'll be pretty cool. Oh, those were awesome actually. Yeah, yeah. The place looked sweet. Yeah, the bird sanctuary seemed super cool. Yeah. So we'll, so yeah, well, we were in Bali and then we went to Malaysia, first to Port something,

Port Dickson, that's right. And then we went to Kuala Lumpur, and then we went to Singapore, and then we came to home. And the reason that I didn't kind of address it on WAN Show last week is I strongly prefer, you know, when we're on vacation to kind of tell you guys that once I'm back. But I didn't really get an opportunity to not have people know that I was on vacation overseas with my family because it blew up on r slash Malaysia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I guess I guess why don't guess why don't I talk about the tech mall that I went to.

I have now completed more than a trifecta of sick Asian tech malls. So I've been to, and I'm gonna butcher this. It's like Wa Kwong Bay or something like that. I could have looked up what it was called again before the show. In fact, I may have, but I wouldn't remember it if I did. So whatever, the one that's in, oh crap,

wow, my brain is so bad. The Chinese tech. Shenzhen? Yes, thank you, Shenzhen. So I went to that one with Scotty from Strange Parts. That was really cool. I went to Sim Lim Square in Singapore like nine years ago, the last time I went and visited Yvonne's family

in Southeast Asia. I went to that sick tech mall in Taipei last time I was there in Taiwan last year. And then now I've been to Plaza Loh Yat. I just remember that I was trying not to gain weight on this trip and so I'm like, oh yeah So I picked the low low yet Plaza So like low fat then oh, I thought you were speaking. No, yeah speaking of fat. I Is that thing?

Sort of no, yeah, yeah means like I know what that means so you have to like a yeah, okay? Anyway, the point is up Plaza. Oh, yeah super cool Shout out the guys at the top of the escalators that like Like try and make sure if you want to buy a laptop. Do you want to buy a laptop? Everyone else was super cool that's so aggressive oh dude they have like what are the odds I'm here for a laptop especially that one there's literally everything in this place you probably want to like browse a little bit yeah no dude they're they're like they're crazy

yeah but other than that man it was super cool. The reason that I went there was not to make a video because I was on vacation, but I happened to have one of our little audio recorder things with me because Elijah needed a clip of me on a beach and I was like, well, what better place to get that than when I'm on the beach in, I guess that was in Bali when I recorded that one, I think. I don't know, the whole thing is kind of a blur to be honest with you. So anyway, I had one of my little audio recorders and like I'm dailying an iPhone, so I just gave Yvonne my iPhone and we... Right, that's not the part of the story I was on yet.

So the reason I decided to make a video was because I needed a micro HDMI cable. I made the same mistake that I have made previously, bringing my ROG portable display for the plane to kind of set up in the middle so the kids can play games. And it takes a micro HDMI input or a type C input, but because I have a first-generation ally and also a switch, there's no way on either of those devices to charge that device while also outputting Type-C to the display. I couldn't output from the switch at all

because I forgot a micro HDMI adapter cable and I didn't bring an HDMI cable at all because I assumed that my hotel rooms would have HDMI cables between whatever streaming box and the TV, which actually only half of them did. So midway through the trip, I'm like, okay, I'm getting a bloody HDMI cable and I'm getting that micro HDMI adapter so that we can hook the display up to the switch, or I can power my display and output from the ally at the same time, because the first

gen ally only has one type C. So on a new ally, you'd be able to just output to the display, power the display like that and then Plug in the power to the ally and then you could have continuous power delivery all the way through I think cuz I Don't know that display is kind of funky cuz I tried to power it and then also USB C output into it And then my ally started going Like it was getting into like charging mode all the time and then I had my phone plugged into it and I was running my finger along the side of it and it was getting into like charging mode all the time and then I had my phone plugged into it and I was running my finger along the side of it and it was like Like a weird feeling. I don't know. Maybe my charger wasn't grounded properly or something like that

anyway the point is the point is I needed a cable and what better place to go then it turns out the Huge tech mall that was literally a seven-minute walk from my hotel. So I went there and I was like, well, this will be really simple. I'll just find a cable. I was like, okay, well, probably not just any shop. Okay, I'll go into like a camera shop

because I need micro HDMI and some cameras use that awful, awful standard just for space savings. And I went into one and they were like, oh, that'll be $40. And I was like, oh, okay, you mean like, like, like, yeah, Malaysian ringgit or whatever. And they're like, oh, you know, no, I know 40,

40 US dollars. And I was like, excuse me for a micro HDMI cable. No, you have got to be kidding me right now. Like you can get adapters for like two bucks and then like a cable for, you know, five to 10. And that doesn't mean I expect to pay that at retail obviously there's there's a convenience tax but that was clearly a foreigner tax and I know thank you so I so I kind of poked around and went on to a different floor and finally found a place that was basically like Aliexpress but in retail store like Like they just had, you know, box of bulk cables here,

box of other more different bulk cables there. And you could, it was great. It was like the bulk candy aisle section at the supermarket, but for tech. And then I found these other really cool stores. And then I noticed that so many of the shops had like 50 series in stock. Oh.

Even like 50 90s, 50 70 TIs, like actually like good ones. Pricing was, well, you know what? I'll save it for the video, but pricing was not what you would expect. Whatever you were expecting, probably it wasn't it. But like, dude, seriously, there were more 50 series and AMD 9,000 series cards in stock in that tech mall than I could probably find scouring the entire

North American e-tail like online inventory. Like I kid you not, every single little hole in the wall shop had probably three to 10 50 series cards and like a handful of 9000 series. You know what could be, I don't know if it's worthy of a full format video, but it could be kind of interesting at Computex, like can you find GPUs in Taiwan? Yeah, because you can't find them in the states right now. You almost certainly could. I bet you can. So anyway, I talk a little bit about, you know, what the market dynamics that, you know,

might be at play here are. One thing that I don't really touch on, because it's like unscripted and I'm just kind of walking around shooting little clips when I think of it, and I didn't really think about it at the time, is that it could be strategic. It could be that if I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Nvidia and their board partners,

sending a couple of GPUs to each of all of these retail shops limits the ability of someone like a miner or an AI farm or whatever to buy in bulk. It maximizes the opportunity for an individual gamer to go in and just buy a card and take it home. This is a big benefit of the doubt. But that's a huge benefit of the doubt thing. So I legitimately don't know.

I don't know how it is. And like I'm serious. The bigger shops had them, the more like, you know, a Canada computers or memory express or like, a tiny micro center is probably the best way that I could describe them. Those guys had them, but especially it was the little like hole in the wall shops.

You know what I mean by that, right? Like you go by and it's basically a doorway and then like, that's it. It's like a long doorway essentially. It's effectively a closet. Just a big one. Kind of like the one that I bought that super high-end gaming system from back when we did that Taiwan video. Like it... and they'll just have a bunch of them on the shelf. I'm like, yo, are those boxes? They're like, yeah, I'm like, right, but like are they just boxes? They're like, no.

There's stuff in them. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay Like what you gotta be kidding me, right? That is pretty wild Yeah, so I'd so then so then there was that and then I was kind of going well Okay. Yeah, this is probably a video at this point because then I also needed my I wanted a switch dock but not like, you know The big chunky first party dock because I brought a doc with me. The first party doc like actually sucks. Yeah, I brought a doc with me, but it wasn't working.

And I have two docs at home that I bought off like AliExpress or something. And one of them works and one of them doesn't. And I gambled and I lost. I brought the one that didn't work and I don't know. It probably worked at some point. Like it probably worked with the non-OLED version or something. I don't know. But the point is I tried it on the trip. it wasn't working. I was like, ah,

crap, I grabbed the wrong one. So I also needed one of those. But I didn't want like the bulky first party doc, I wanted just like a little, a little sleek cable style doc. And so I, when I was there just getting the cable or looking for the cable, I just didn't bother buying that. And I was like, okay, I'm just gonna leave and then I'll come back tomorrow with Yvonne and we'll make a video. It was actually really fun. But it completely blew my cover because while I got in and out of there with like two selfies, the first day when I was just like kind of scouting it out and determining that, oh yeah, no, this is like definitely a video. I should just come back with Yvonne. The second time around, I think

the r slash Malaysia post has people replying to the top post with their own selfies. It was kind of hilarious. It was really fun. The vibe in there was really good. If you ever find yourself in KL, definitely stop by whether you need to buy anything or not because it's an experience. Is this the one that you're talking about? Oh, so that's the one that I ultimately got the decent deal on my micro HDMI and my HDMI cable from. I just love the not a thief.

Okay, I have been given some context for this. Well, I'm assuming the security camera footage of a store. Apparently that's like a big thing in this mall. Is people publicly shaming shoplifters with the security camera footage in their stores. So that guy got a completely different selfie with me that I don't think he posted. Instead he went for the CCTV footage of me buying a cable. And had to clarify that you weren't a thief. But he was the owner or the manager of that store or something like that and

and he did talk to me. He didn't talk to me about posting the selfie but he did talk to me about taking it and then he posted the CCTV footage. I'm glad he did say not a thief because you know the kinds of assumptions people make about me these days they may very well have gone there with it I would have thought you stole oh a hundred percent a hundred percent yeah I actually I actually ended up double buying because I because I actually I bought the micro HDMI cable the first day because that was like the first thing I did when I walked in while I was still just buying a cable and not making a video.

And then I was like, well, I don't know if anyone actually recognized me the first day because I was pretty much in and out of the mall. So the second day I go back and I'm just like, okay, this is the one part of it that I have to do a quick little reenact of. And I was like, oh, well, I'm not gonna waste their time, go in, ask them questions again about where things are, and then not buy their cables. So I bought the cable again.

Anyway, the manager didn't talk to me till the end of the day when I'd already gone all the way to the top of the mall and then come back. And he was trying to give me something. And I don't really like taking stuff. I mean, you've seen my conversations with people about swag. It's not even just like, it's not like an ethical thing. Like I think that somehow I can be bought for $6 worth of chocolates or whatever. It's just that I actually just do not want more things Yeah, like I have this conversation with everyone from friends to family to industry

Contacts where I'm just like look I'm at a stage in my life where if I want something I can buy it Pretty much regardless of what it is. So if I don't own it, I promise you 100% it is because I don't want to Is this the one you're talking about? No. No, OK. No, that's just a completely different one. Is it a different store even? Yeah, I love the guy over my shoulder.

I didn't even notice him when we were taking the picture. I didn't see that the first time. Oh, that's great. No, that's a completely different store. OK, yeah. I no longer remember what I was talking about. So that's gonna have to be kind of your job today because I don't have RAM. Keep it on track.

No, no, no, no, no. That's fine. Just if you do interrupt, which is totally fine, because, you know, you know, taste of own medicine. Just you're gonna have to tell me what I was talking about before. So you had to buy the cable again., yeah, right you went upstairs back downstairs It came up to me after and I was like hey, so yeah Not only do I not want the things you're offering me, but you can actually have This micro HDMI adapter and this HDMI cable back because I really don't need it I only needed the one and he's like oh no no I can give you a refund like no no that's too

That's too much work. I'll just buy the cable just don't worry about it thank you for having a reasonable price I'm not trying to charge me a white guy tax yeah yeah so that was that was great I don't actually remember what all I wanted to say about shopping at the tech mall and this is my only notes in the dock so just in case you you forget your own name. Yeah, I thought about going back to Sim Lum Square but then I because we were in Singapore again but I didn't have a reason. Like that's what I kind of like about these videos is other than the one, okay half of them anyway, are me just needing something. And then the other ones, I have contrived some mission, like in Shenzhen, I wanted to build a PC, a gaming PC,

and see if I could get a better deal in the tech hub of China. So that was a legitimate objective, even if I didn't really need a computer. I don't even remember what we did with the computer. Did we give it away or something? In China, I think you gave it to his editor or something. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Pretty sure. Okay. It's a long time ago, but I think that's what happened. And then in Taiwan, it was just inspired by like Jake's random picture

of this like random non-descript shop that just for whatever reason had a ball and gaming PC. Turns out it's because they just like make ball and gaming PCs, so that's super cool. But then the one in Singapore was just because I was staying with people who had awful Wi Fi and I just wanted to fix it. And then the one at Plaza Lugat was just because I forgot some stuff and I like needed tech men. I wish we had places like that here. Like, is there anywhere that you could go in person where you could possibly hope to find a micro HDMI adapter that you can think of off the top of your head. mmm it probably exists. memory express might have one. to be clear maybe. check the stock online before you go. yeah they might might I wouldn't feel confident but but might and I'm not here guys and an off-brand switch adapter oh yes no

shot so probably no shot and a 50 series yeah okay now I just eliminated every every retail staples I don't think so oh that'd be a real long shot but yeah like that's the thing man. It's so cool It's like six stories, dude It's like six floors of mostly just tech the very bottom floor has like some jewelry and clothing Like boots and stuff, but also also tech shops And while there are definitely things about it that I think are a little weird like they had more than one And while there are definitely things about it that I think are a little weird, like they had more than one HP branded store, like just a dedicated HP store.

They had more than one like ROG branded store. And I'm kind of sitting here going, you know, is tech really Starbucks? You know, we're just the more, because you know about the Starbucks effect or whatever, right? Where if they put two Starbucks on like opposite corners at the same intersection, they don't cannibalize each other They just like sell twice as many or whatever. That cannot possibly work for laptops! Like a laptop is not a it's not an impulse purchase, right? Am I missing something here?

Maybe it is because there's those guys like flapping laptops in your face as you go up the escalator So maybe maybe if you are just impulse buying laptops. Oh my god. I don't know chat wants a not a thief shirt That's actually brilliant. We should definitely do a not a thief shirt. That's genuinely pretty funny Okay, Dan do you mind forwarding that over to the CW team please? Righto. Should it be like should it be you in that security picture? I'm trying to bring it up again. I'm sure you'll find it and that will be passed.

It's not that amazing. I mean if it's a big zoom in. I kind of look like a thief just it's just that on a shirt Not a thief shirt with a fake security tag still attached that's kind of funny. Oh man. Oh Man yeah, we could even just like print a little like one of those like old school like bar style ones or something like that That'd be pretty funny Why don't we move on to our next topic? Dan, you're gonna have to be like on the little paper things today because I got I have no idea what's going on

I don't even know why there's jerky on my table. You're allowed to eat it. You can eat the jerky. I'm allowed to eat the jerky Absolutely Okay, my stomach is actually feeling a little unsettled right now so I might have to eat jerky a little bit later. My body has no idea what's going on. I... Three different countries? Yeah, I... dude... With airplane food thrown in the mix? No, actually, I didn't eat at all on the flight and it's like 13 hours. So then I got home and I ate pretty light because I was feeling a little unsettled.

And I think it's because of what I ate right before I got on the flight, I had a Subway sandwich, which normally I'm fine with. I like Happy Gilmore. The trailer for Happy Gilmore 2 looks f***ing awful, like completely soulless, but, but you know, Happy told me that the delicious cold cut, honestly, better spokesman than Jared, far, far less, far less pedophilia.

So shout out Happy Gilmore, Subway spokesman, Happy Gilmore. I prefer my sandwiches with no pedophilia. Yes, me too, me too. Generally a good way to go. You can ask for that in the store, you know. Oh, okay, that's good to know. That's good. Generally a good way to go. I'm gonna ask for that in the store, you know. Oh, okay. That's good to know. That's good. That's good.

The point is that, that I'm trying to make right now is that whether it was a language barrier or whether it was an ingredients availability barrier, they made it with processed cheese when I explicitly asked for cheddar. And processed cheese is not food. better. And processed cheese is not food. My body does not believe that it is food. And because I was so hungry, I ate a six inch, like I ate half of that processed cheese sandwich and my body is in rebellion now. Pete Slauson That happens. Jared Slauson Yeah, my stomach is not impressed with me making that decision to continue eating it after the first bite and so I am unsettled still like 18 19 hours later or whatever but I will

definitely I will definitely have some jerky later and I'm really looking forward to it. Someone's apparently watching the show on a plane that's... Dude you can get pretty like decent streaming internet. That's so crazy to me. Yeah, I like I believe them, but it's so crazy to me I remember um Ever just as a test I load up some game. I don't remember what it was And I had on some plane like years ago I had 3000 ping and the game functioned perfectly fine, but just everything was so

perfectly fine, but just everything was like so delayed I just wanted to see what would happen No, I don't I don't think so because like It was like too much I was just actually so bad that it just nothing like it I don't know Oh, do people not know what? processed cheese is Dude, did I talk about this on WAN Show, the experience I had in like a separate,

I've been traveling the last three weekends, four weekends in a row. I am like actually traveled out right now. I'm a little traveled out right now too, which is rare. Went to Disneyland for the work thing, went to Texas for the gamer house tour thing, and then the last two weeks I was over in

Asia in six different hotels for two weeks. Like I am super traveled out. But did I talk about my experience at the airport on the WAN show where I was like trying to order a burger and I asked if the burger had processed cheese and they're like, it's American cheese. And I'm like, that doesn't mean anything to me. American cheese is like I've heard American cheese used to describe cheddar cheese It's kind of like freedom fries like just American cheese like yeah that that that's utterly meaningless American cheese is actually a specific thing

I think it I think it means processed cheese, but I think sometimes people use it for too many things Yeah, no, I've definitely processed cheddar Yeah, okay American cheese is a type of processed cheddar cheese made from cheddar Colby or similar cheeses in conjunction with other stuff Also, you should not be allowed that The content of your cheese should have to be greater than 90% cheese for you to call it cheese American cheese is just petroleum byproduct as far as I can tell I think they can't call it cheese I think it has to be like processed milk product or something. American cheese has a

whole very actually very specific history behind it where they were like trying to save farmers and they they stored them in these like cheese caves and it's all it's all it's weird. Anyway the point that I'm trying to get to is that the the lady behind the counter had no idea what I was talking about I was like is it like cheddar cheese, or is it like processed cheese like is it real cheese? She's like it's American cheese, and I'm like okay, right, but is it is it real cheese? I'll have to check with the chef, and I'm like you're at a burger joint. There isn't a chef I'll have to check with this chef, and I'm like you're at a burger joint there isn't a chef Like it was a phase like a fast-food chain. I'm like what are you talking about? I just I just want to know if you're putting real food in the food

Yeah, no, it's it's it's horrible Apparently by law it's labeled as cheese product Yeah, well a lot of places definitely don't do that. They they definitely call it cheese. I'm just saying by law That's apparently the label that they have for it is they don't just call it cheese It doesn't contain enough cheese to be cheese It has to have 51% cheese Disgusting all right. What do you want to do for our next topic? Lot of topics today is actually gonna be like a very long show should we knock out the other main one mark?

Robur I don't think anything really differentiates a main from another topic today Yeah, so we can do whatever you want in that case Let's do one of mine the EU says Apple can make a portless iPhone. Let's go over the weekend We learned that Apple considered removing the USB-C port from its upcoming iPhone Air 17 but ultimately decided against the move. In past due to concerns, in part due to concerns about, he might be tired but he's still beating my dyslexia. My brain's slow but accurate. Due to concerns about how EU regulators would view the move, Apple was forced to switch out of their proprietary lightning port for USB-C to comply with the EU's common charger

directive. They won't admit that. Apple talks about, it's amazing watching how quickly- Isn't it like an environmentally friendly thing or something? How quickly Apple changed their tune about how they innovated USB-C on the iPhone. It's like, brother, enough. Just stop. In an article on 9to5max, Ben Lovejoy points out that the common charger directive only states that if a device has a wired charging port, it must be USPC. European Commission press officer Federica Micholi confirmed that a portless phone would be compliant with the law noting that since such radio

equipment cannot be recharged via wired charging it does not need to incorporate the harmonized wired charging solution. Crazy. Wow. So we will probably get a courageously portless iPhone at some point in the nearish future and you know what, honestly, I think I'm kind of here for it. It's not what I would happen eventually. Yeah, it's not what I would choose to buy, you know, given the choice. I would prefer to have something that does have a wired port, but there's always the option of just, you know, buying the pro model or not buying an iPhone, both of which are totally valid options.

Also, my response to this sort of hinges on the existence of sort of all three options in the market. So the Air, which doesn't seem like it's going to replace the regular iPhone, the regular iPhone and then also the Pro. So I would assume you're going to have kind of your portless one, your USB 2.0 one with a port so you can actually charge via a cable, but data transfer is slow, and then your, you know, professional model that just has a proper USB port on it. I don't love how much Apple charges for these more, you know, premium versions of their

products, but seeing the way that most people use their phones these days, especially iPhone users who are just like Megsafe, like why would anyone live without Megsafe? It's just so obvious. And they wirelessly charge all the time. I could absolutely see iPhone users just saying, yeah, no, I want the air. And man, I got to tell you, I think I was talking about this on my intro recently. I picked up my iPhone 6S recently, like just literally picked it up. Like I picked it up out of the drawer that I keep it in. And I was like, man, that's light. You know, even

my Note 9 compared to like every modern device that I've unboxed on short circuit recently, it's like, man, this is sleek. Like devices have, they've gone non-sleek. And if Apple kind of brings that back as a trend, now that SoCs have gotten a little bit more efficient, now that battery technology has improved a little bit, maybe I'm here for it. I don't need two day battery. I just need solid one day battery. With that said,

man, I gotta say, spoiler, the one spoiler that I'll give you guys for the switching to Mac for a month is not thinking about charging either of my devices. it's crazy. Like, dude, I've been using this since I left Singapore, I don't know, a thousand hours ago or whatever. I used it extensively on the plane just to like listen to something in my headphones. Just drown out crying babies and stuff like that on the plane. Let's compare.

I got down to like 2% before I had my, my post plane, you know, bath. And then I basically plugged it in while I was in my nap and while I was having a nap in my bed, I can barely form a coherent sentence. You got it. And then I plugged it into my car and my we hear I have 77%. And it's just like. So you've done all that. I have practically not used my phone today at all.

No calls, no video. Yeah. And for probably like 15 minutes of intentional screen on usage time where I was just in text messaging apps, like Teams or Slack or whatever else. Yeah's it my phone's at 82 I very occasionally I very very occasionally will have this behave like an Android where it'll get like really hot or for some reason that I can't really identify and and like behave strangely like I've had a lot of weird bugs on with ios 18

I'm not pleased with the software but not Nearly to the same degree that I have with android my brightness is at like 70 percent. Okay, so I turn brightness down so here we go, I have 17 hours and 31 minutes of screen on time because Plex I don't think supports or I don't have it enabled Maybe it does support it, but Plex doesn't support Screen off background play

So if I'm just like one of my sleep strategies is I listen to reruns of shows that I've watched a hundred times So I don't I don't need to see anything. I'm not actually looking at my screen. I'm just like listening to this content that is fine, but it's just repetitive. It's boring and it drowns out people talking much more effectively than like white noise for me. And then the other thing is that music will keep me awake.

100%, I cannot listen to music and sleep. So TV shows are my go-to for when I'm trying to sleep. So yeah, so you can see here actually I've got my battery thing. I have since, yeah it has no idea what time is for me, so since about 6 a.m. of the previous day, I guess. You know, 6 p.m. of yesterday, I have 17 hours and 31 minutes of screen time, a bunch of Plex, a bunch of YouTube, a bunch of 18% of my activity is no cell coverage, whatever that means.

11% is Safari, but like, that's freaking. I think that's your cell cell radio searching for towers which takes a lot of battery should turn that off so yeah that should give you some idea and then I only have like a couple hours of it since I since I zapped it so like even me being like irresponsible with my phone and not you know properly turning off radios to conserve power like I can get like 16 hours of screen time on it or whatever I never use my phone that heavily. So I think I said in my switch to iPhone video, I basically didn't charge my phone sometimes

for a week at a time, because I would just plug it into my car when I'm when I'm using car. But you don't have to it supports wireless car play as does my car. But it's just a habit that I have. And it, it meant that I never had to think about charging my phone because I would just regardless of usage, if I don't charge my phone overnight, I'm screwed. Oh yeah, 100%. Completely. 100%. I just checked mine. I had more screen time than I thought. I had 25 minutes in Slack. I had 10 minutes in Teams and I had two minutes in Authenticator. I think the reason why there's more screen time is I just put my phone down, but that also means that after a minute or whatever, it dimmed. Yeah. So I... Because I phone down, but that also means that after a minute or whatever it dimmed. Yeah, so I because I guarantee you I wasn't actually using slack for half an hour on my phone.

Um, so and that's all it was and I've already almost lost 20% of my battery life. So like It sounds like knowing luke his phone's probably from 2016. It's not brand new, but it's an 8 pro. It's not that old. Yeah pixel pixel Yeah, yeah. And like, man, my laptop is sitting here, right? I started the show with like, more, less than I think, less than half my battery, and it's just sitting here in case I need to use it and screens on, it's just chilling, I know it's gonna last the entire show.

Like, if there's anything that I love about just these Apple devices, it's that the battery management is just plain superior. And yeah, Windows and Android devices absolutely can benchmark similarly to Apple, but from my experience in the real world, once you're not in a controlled environment doing like a battery test, right, they just don't handle it as well. They just don't manage background tasks as well. They're not as aggressive. And so once you've got your device loaded up with apps, once you're actually kind of using it, once you have notifications coming in, they just don't handle

it as consistently. All right, bring back replaceable battery says crappy TP. I mean, that's not even that's not even the issue that I'm talking about here. Yeah, argument says just checking Mr. Who's the boss did iPhone 16 versus s 24 ultra tests Samsung one. Yeah, there's a couple a couple things to consider there. One is that that s 24 ultra probably has an internal battery that's like double the capacity of the iPhone. It's remarkable how efficient these things are how little battery Apple has to put in

these, how little RAM they have to put in them, what Apple will do in their software to minimize the bomb cost of the hardware. And then the other thing is that he probably did that in a controlled environment where both phones were wiped fresh and then tested because that's the like, and that's not even the wrong thing to do. That's the right thing to do when you are testing something is you eliminate variables. And so because there's no way to just take two phones that have been used for two weeks and Say with confidence that they're in the same equal state. That's how you do it Argument says that's fair didn't consider the size of the battery, but you shouldn't I'm to be clear

I'm not making an argument that the test is like somehow unfair because Apple had less battery This is the device that Apple chose to ship, so the test is 100% fair. That's like, if I were saying that, that would be like one of those arguments where people will complain when you do a CPU review that like, well, you're comparing against the brand that I likes last generation,

so you have to wait until their new one comes out before you get you shut up No, I don't because for someone buying something today So this is what's available hypothetical future thing that exists doesn't exist yet. So this is this is what it is But now man, I don't see that argument as much anymore But back in like the peak I think AMD Intel fanboy days of probably like the mid-2000s, it was all over the place. And it was just exhausting, just exhausting hearing people talk about how the test was unfair to their brand of choice. Like, good Lord, they're not a sports

team. You do not need to cheer for them. They're a corporation. For that matter, sports teams are corporations and you don't really need to cheer for them either. But that's a whole other thing. And often used for like really shady money practices. What? Oh, I don't know. I don't know much about this. Used to like make it so you don't have to pay taxes

and all this other crazy stuff. Like why do all these rich people buy sports teams? I thought it was just ego. They actually all care about sports. And then, yeah, a lot of it has to do with like, um, hiding from taxes and stuff. I don't remember exactly how all the loopholes work, but there's like big financial loopholes with having a sports team.

Why is everything a tax avoidance grift? Yeah. That's not an answer. Yeah. I pay my taxes. Yeah. Everyone should have to pay their taxes if I have to pay mine. Yeah, you'd think.

Okay. It's very cool. What, seriously? People are like, yeah, no. People are like, yeah, this is like a thing. Oh, it's totally a thing, yeah. What the heck? Yep.

Because something about like the depreciate, like so the, a lot of the assets actually get paid for effectively by the city because the city wants the sports team. Oh yeah, that I know. But then all of the assets that you own technically, even though they're effectively funded by the city are depreciating all the time. So you can write the depreciation of this enormous stadium and all these other things down on the rest of your taxes. But then the stadium keeps getting funded by the city.

So it ends up being this, as long as you're making money elsewhere, it's this incredibly profitable because of tax loophole thing. I think that's how it works. It's been a while since I looked at this. I remember reading a fair bit about that when the Phoenix Coyotes, like, couldn't get something, something, the city was mad because of that, because they basically like paid for this thing

and got absolutely no return on it or whatever. And they were talking about moving the team or something and it was a whole thing. So yeah, basically owners will just hold the team hostage unless cities acquiesce to their demands. And I remember- It compounds too because like the players are all aging. So I think you can like write that down to a certain degree as well. I remember reading an article about how like not once in the history of these deals has a has a city ever actually been able to show a clear return on the investment that they've made into sports teams. With that said, I don't know. I do think there is a return.

Yeah, I don't know that you could easily measure that because there's a clear expectation that if you're like a proper North American city, you like have a big arena, and you have a sports team, and you absolutely use that arena for other things. But then my understanding is that the owner of the arena, which tends to be that private company, benefits from the other things that gets used for like concerts or whatever else. But like, so, man, see, that's the thing is it's hard to assign a value to like arts and culture and, you know, to having having prominent artists come to, you know, your city. Yeah, apparently. Yeah. The the value of the players reduce and you write that off on taxes as well. Yeah, I thought so. So it's like it's the stadium and all of your assets and all of your players and like literally everything that you have just constantly depreciates in value So you write that all off and then it gets all funded by the city

So you're not even of course you're paying for some of it, but you're not even paying for like a lot of it anyways And then it's like it itself is Not always but sometimes a cash cow. So you just make money off it too and then write it all off and it's just Yeah, meanwhile, it takes me like months to even just get a building permit to put in our badminton center. Yeah, it's pretty sick. Oh yeah, I should probably provide a little bit more clarity on the conversation last week about fire egress. I had some people very mad at me because I apparently don't respect the importance of fire egress. I did not give every possible detail of the situation. Let me just put it this way. I do understand, not because I just understand, but because this has

been a project on my list of projects for over a year and a half. And as part of it being a project, I spoke to experts and consultants and guys, chill. The reason that I said that the whole thing doesn't make sense and like that the differences don't matter is because they don't make sense and the differences don't matter. That we have already established now and we're moving forward.

Like the thing that I was kind of going off about was something that had like been dealt with and I didn't make that clear last week. So there were some people who were extremely mad at me. There was a comment that said like the fire code is written in blood. It's like, yeah, for sure. Yes, but that was part of the reason that I also brought up the arbitrary changes to the fire code, like how we used to have to build two stairwells onto a mezzanine, and then they were just like, oh, actually, forget it. So like, yes, the fire code is logical and rational and makes sense, but also sometimes doesn't and they decide it needs to change.

Things should have changes over time And sometimes those things that change, you know what? Honestly are just because of costs or lobbying pressure or whatever else So let's not maybe they shouldn't have changed. So maybe they shouldn't have changed Maybe you should actually have two stairwells down from an above-ground space Maybe you actually should but maybe that was just like too expensive and impractical. So it's always a balancing act. And the point of the conversation last week is not changed by any of these little details. The point is that regulation can absolutely be a good thing, but applied poorly, it can absolutely just get in the way of getting anything done. That was the point.

I was trying to show how I see both sides of that argument and have personally experienced both sides of that argument. Crystal in chat says, this, oh my fucking God. It's like people assume that you maybe don't have any resources around you. Yes. And you know what? And you know what? Sometimes I do make mistakes, right? Like, obviously I do make mistakes sometimes. In this case, it turned out to not be

my mistake, but that's not the assumption that generally gets made. And it feels like a really weird situation that I've kind of found myself in as someone who does issue corrections and as someone who does talk about that I make mistakes Never. that That seems to be harmful to my reputation But I'd like to issue a reminder that You should trust someone who issues corrections and someone who admits their mistakes

trust someone who issues corrections and someone who admits their mistakes more than someone who doesn't admit their mistakes and just doubles down and is a weasel. But we do. We care. Actually, speaking of mistakes, we had an error in one of our videos this week. Yesterday, we posted an LTT video about fixing the 5090s power connector near the end of the original upload We showed an email from MSI where they claimed that only the FE cards the founders edition cards Have the design to run all the pins to a single pad on the PCB It turns out that this statement from MSI is false

In fact the PCI spec calls for them all to be combined. So the only 5090 that we're aware of now that doesn't immediately combine power on the board is ASUS' ROG Astral Card, the design of which was mentioned in an email from ASUS that was also shown in the video, but we could have verbally pointed this out as well. Per our policies, we've removed the offending segment of the video and posted a correcting comment. Big thanks to Buildzoid, who pointed out that error in the most efficient possible manner in the interest of making sure that the community is well-informed

by recording a video of himself, uploading it, waiting around for it to process, and then publishing it. That was definitely the most efficient way if the absolute number one priority was making sure that the community gets the information that they need in a timely manner. We're not perfect, we'll never be perfect.

But what I can do is assure you guys that we are genuinely striving to make the best videos we can. And in this case, maybe we should have just skipped that. Maybe we should have just not bothered talking about that. I don't know. I don't know what the fine line you guys want us to balance is here,

because the point of the video clearly wasn't that. I don't know. I don't know what the fine line you guys want us to balance is here, because the point of the video clearly wasn't that. But I think we felt really pressured to cover every base when really the point of the video was to just be top gear tech, tech, tech top gear. I mean, there was even it was pointed out on Reddit. There was a there's a caveat. Was it in that video? I'm not even sure. But there was a caveat that was in a video where it was like, Linus is not actually running this test, just in case he like did something wrong in the footage. It was, and everyone's like, oh, that's unnecessary. And then there's a bunch of people in the comments pointing out like, uh, actually it kind of is because people like would have pixel peeped what exactly you had done. I

know if you had done it wrong, they would have ripped it apart. Yeah, I know. I don't know. I think one minor thing that could have been done here, which like this is a nitpick and you'll never catch all of these. So I don't know what it is, what it is. But I think it was said as a statement supported by the emails when you could have maybe said just they claim. Yeah. Instead of this is a fact because we have these emails when you could have maybe said just they claim. Yeah. Instead of this is a fact because we have these emails, you could just say they claim. Yep. That might help a little bit.

Ultimately, though, I agree. It super wasn't the point of the video. I don't want us to stop doing stuff like that because we're worried about these types of things. And I got to be honest with you, I'm sort of blown away that they screwed this up. Yeah, that's surprising. People pointed out, oh, it's just a PR person. It's a PR person.

In the email, it literally says that they talked to people about it. They went and got resources. Just because it's a PR person doesn't mean that they're incapable of accessing information or accessing the people that have information that is often quite literally their job. And what's more surprising about it to me is just how, how, I guess it's one of those things where you, if I ask you what color your shirt is, and I didn't look that close, and you say blue,

and I'm just like, okay, Luke sent me an email, his shirt is blue. What would be the point of you lying to me about that? Because of, in a way, how easily verifiable it was, was exactly why we didn't feel the need to verify it, because why would you lie about that? That it could be worded in a different way, like, my God, I don't know.

At a certain point, like, it's a video of, can we get another connector on the card? Like, I don't know. And to be clear, I'm not downplaying in any way the validity of the feedback. Totally, yeah, it's- It's valid. And I would like it to be fixed. I don't want there to be something wrong in one of our videos. And the video is fixed. Yeah. The video is fixed now. As soon as we were made aware, we took action

according to our corrections policies, right? Like, that's what we do. Yeah. But like it, I shouldn't have to check something like that. The fact that we do is great to know. You know, now we're kind of sitting here going, okay, well, if Nvidia tells us how many CUDA cores a GPU has, do we have to check every sample to make sure? You know? And maybe the answer

is yes, but like... And people literally were mad at us for that, which like... Really? Oh, I didn't even catch that. Some people were. Like not spotting that some of them were missing. Just in case people aren't aware of what we're talking about. There was, I don't remember exactly what video it was, but we got official slides from Nvidia that had, because, oh what? Companies make mistakes sometimes, even when they're like massive, huge, enormous company. What? No way. Yeah, Nvidia made a mistake. They put the wrong number on the slide. Oh, I wasn't even talking about that. I was talking about the scandal where some of the raps were missing oh yeah on a Nvidia says a little more major like less than five percent of the cards or

something like that but yeah some of them just shipped with not enough raps yeah I'm talking about is there was yeah there was a slide from them that was slightly wrong KG4WWN says have you verified Luke's real name? Perhaps the hospital with the birth certificate was incorrect. That's true. Why is my first name English and my last name French? You need to start saying this is the person

who claims to be Luke. Yeah, good call. And so, yeah, I gotta be honest with you guys. If they had made a claim that was potential, that seemed like it could potentially be false, like they could get away with it. There. That's, that's, that was the assumption I made. Was that what they were saying was clearly something that they weren't gonna get away with if it was false. So why do I need to check this?

Um, and the answer is apparently because I just like, need, but it was just it was so far aside from the point of the content of the point of what we were trying to do. We were trying to raise awareness about this issue in a fun entertaining way. That's what we do. That's what we do I think as well as if not better than anyone in the tech space. That's what we do, I think, as well as, if not better than anyone in the tech space. That's what we do. We talk about what we think people need to know, and we try and make it as engaging as possible. Yeah, you know, like some people in the community understood that.

And some people didn't. And I think the I think some of this like I think it's redirected or misdirected anger around tech stuff right now is just going to push people away and make the community smaller because it's not it's not fun it's uninviting. Yeah I'm I don't know I don't want to get into that again today. Definitely makes me sad. But yeah, I enjoyed that video. I legitimately had a ton of fun and I'm not going to concept. Yeah, I don't think we should.

I was talking to someone about this earlier. I really strongly do not think that we should risk not doing those things. And I think risk is actually the right term. I think we should still have fun. And I think we should still, you know, not necessarily go to mile 10,000 with everything. Like, if you just want to kind of dabble with something and screw around, I think that's fine. I don't think we should lose sight of being able to do things kind of quickly, kind of jankily for fun. Because sometimes that's as much as you want to do.

And that's as much depth as there is to it being fun and going further would make it not fun. And like, And to be clear, there's room for analytical content that isn't about the fun I mean PSU circuit is a perfect example of that Yeah totally Right place right time. Oh, man. So many people seem to be very very confused about why we use the AI voice

Really? Yeah, cuz they're like, it would only take like three minutes for a person to read the script, or four minutes or whatever. So the reason that we use the AI voice is because it automates the editing. So yes, Emily spends a couple hours like two or three hours lining everything up. But with a human voice with the ums and ahs, where you're actually editing like a flawed human take, we can't automate the actual cutting of the footage. So if you guys pay very close attention to these videos, which I don't really expect anybody to do because they're just- It's not really the point.

Yeah, it's not really the point of it. If you pay very close attention, the entire thing is templatized. So the entire flow of the video is identical every time, and the actual timing of the clips is automated to the greatest degree that we can. So using an AI voice makes that automated editing process more efficient and in the future can make it more efficient as time goes on. I would love, I would absolutely love for this channel to be a super valuable resource for people and for it to start getting some views and some affiliate revenue and whatever

else and I would love for us to pivot and make it a fully human hosted channel at some point in the future, more like Short Circuit where you've got a host kind of reading out the test report injecting a little bit of personality and flavor you've got editors spending you know anywhere from six to ten hours working on it but you know I the the the entitlement of people who are attacking me for not being willing to lose more money on this channel is... I don't see a lot of that personally. Oh dude. I believe you, but I don't see a lot of that.

This has all of this and he does all these things and he can't get a person to read the fit. Like, guys. It's not the point. It's not the point. The point is that it's a data sheet. It's a data sheet in video form and I'm sorry that it's not losing enough money for you. Every single one of those uploads is a loss.

And I don't have a clear path to it being anything other than a loss. Not the goal, even. It's not the goal. So... Chill. It's all good. It's all good. You can check out if, you know, a power supply that you're considering buying has been tested. You can see our test report. It's all good.

Or you could just go to lttlabs.com. Yeah, which looks all cool now and stuff. Dude, the site is like actually kind of amazing now. I'm extremely excited for us to beef up the team. Oh, hey, any progress on those postings? Yeah, we had interviews this week. Oh, sick. We have interviews next week. Oh, hey, any progress on those postings? Yeah, we had interviews this week. Oh, sick. We have interviews next week.

Oh, sick. We have interviews the week after that. Oh, sick. Okay, so we've had applications then. Yeah, there's a potential change to the job description of the writer position that might be happening. But all the other ones are full steam ahead. And just because there was a change to the job description, the writer one doesn't necessarily mean, um, we're, we're tossing all the applicants out. The, the problem is we're shifting it from a senior role to a junior role.

That's not actually, it does reduce the budget, but that's not for budget reasons. It's for like team organization reasons. I think the plan behind it is actually really cool. I don't know if I should necessarily talk about that on the show. Does that make sense? Maybe, maybe not. Either way. My brain is not working today, so go ahead and do whatever you want. Sure. Yeah. But we had a bunch of meetings and we decided to change the scope of the role a little bit and change some of the responsibilities and all this kind of stuff. So there were

some applicants that seemed to be more junior applicants that were applying through aspiration. So we might keep those resumes. We might repost the job description to collect more if we feel like we don't have a large enough pool from there. But yeah, that one is changing a little bit. The rest are staying the same. Yeah. Cool. Moving on. I think we have explained to do merch messages. Oh, this is weird. Have you ever seen this before? There's a dislike button but it says disabled by owner Is that a thing I've genuinely no clue what that means because I could click it I don't see that

Mine doesn't show that What? What does that mean? I'm on it. You can look at mine. Yeah, this is mine What if I click it? I've seen a couple I've seen a couple comments From people accusing us of disabling the dislike button, but I've never seen. It's not disabled for me. I've never seen the interface thing that they're talking about.

What is this? Oh, 603 said, is this an A-B test? It might be an A-B test. That might be actually a setting that we have. And no, I don't think. I've never even heard of that. I don't think I have. Oh, I do have return YouTube dislike.

Hold on. So what if I remove it? I haven't used it in ages The refresh oh I wonder if it's just to do with that extension. Oh yeah there you go Wait what am I just like even though it said disabled before my dislike clearly is still it was registered because it's still showing What does that even mean? Huh Interesting is. Is it is it like... So it's user error. Alright, cool. Well, yeah, sorry we have so much to hide that we that we removed our dislike button. Feel free to put that in your pile

of things to be mad at me about, but actually it turns out that you're just using a random extension in your browser. Linus is for censorship. So good job. He's taking my ability to dislike away. Yep. What a mean guy. Basically awful.

What a big mean guy. Go buy an MSI GPU with honey. Didn't honey get removed from the store? Oh! Chrome, I think. Oh, we don't, dude, we have an update on that this week, actually. Oh. Speaking of which, wait, where's the thing? Why is this not in here? I definitely want to talk about honey right now.

That sounds awesome. Do you? I definitely saw it earlier. Yeah, it's, oh yeah, there it is. I found it. It's definitely not actually about honey. Oh okay sweet. Yeah. In the near future, if you are watching an old LCT video you might have noticed that we have cut out our old sponsor spot and added in a YouTube ad in its place. We're talking to you about this because we have, like I said in my original response to a mega leg, just kind of willy-nilly cutting our back catalog is not something that we're gonna be able to do immediately.

We have sort of a bit of a heavier ship to steer given our back catalog is something like 10,000 videos at this point and that our policy up until now and our agreements with our partners up until now have not included any of that. But I did say back then that it would be something that we would look at and something that we would explore. So we have done that. The wheels have been turning in the background and we're ready to talk about it. So yeah, if you have kind of a jarring experience watching our videos, it is because we are going to be cutting

some old sponsor spots and adding YouTube ads in their place. The reason for this is we wanna do a better job of policing our back catalog to make sure that people aren't wasting time watching ads for companies that we either no longer support for various reasons. This can come down to their policies, any actions that they've taken or refused to take for our users or companies that are no longer relevant, like maybe no longer exist. So obviously

at the top of that list is honey. We have cut out or removed over 120 honey sponsorship reeds and our team is working on getting the rest done by next week. There are probably going to be – By the end of next week probably. There are probably going to be some casualties. I believe there are two videos that are being removed from the channel. Whole videos. Yep Uh, i'm trying to find the i'm trying to find the chat where colton and james were talking about it

Yeah, so we did a shopping stream for prime day one year and then we also they're both actually prime day shopping streams um And because honey was so deeply integrated into the video Just chop out a segment was like a banner across the bottom of the whole thing What we've decided to do is simply unlist those videos Also, I figured out a way to loop me in to the the evil that's going on with the dislike button. Oh We have dislikes on floatplane. Oh So you were just trying to create more value for float plane feature differentiation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Well, I just like biting on pay for it It's about time anyone kind of lumped you in with all of my evilness because you've clearly been here and complicit for 14 years or whatever dodge and bullets good gravy is a Probably about right 14 years, yeah. Holy fuck. I think we're, I think we're like very close to 15 too. Technically. Yeah, it's been a long time. It's been a long time.

I was telling you recently, like it's literally not going to be very long until this will have been half my life. That's crazy. We're not there yet. A few years away, but we'll get there. Anyway, if you see any of our other videos with honey spots in them After next week once the team has had a chance to go through Please email info at linusmedia group.com so we can get those removed I don't think we're ready to talk about what our policy is going to be for what gets removed or what doesn't

But what I can tell you is it's gonna be a little fuzzy No, the plan is not to scrub through the entire 10,000 view 10,000 video history I don't think that's necessarily practical nor do I think that it necessarily makes sense but if we have videos that are old but are still reaching a certain threshold of current mod like current day viewership, then I think those are ones that we're going to want to look at. But if there's videos that are getting like three views a year from 11 years ago, I don't think we're going to go back and we're going to like cut out sponsor spots for five, four clothing or whatever. Like, I don't think that actually makes a ton of sense

and is good use of people's time. So we're gonna have to try to find a good balance between making sure that we're managing our back catalog, but also not just like wasting people's time with mind numbing, morale destroying work. So we'll try and find a good balance for you guys there. Question, are we just leaving everything up on flow play? So no, there's no ad spots, but you're saying they were moving entire videos

So we're just leaving those videos on full point full point people are asking Yeah, I it's probably fine. I would think it's fine to just leave it on flow plane. Yeah I'm sure someone will find a way to turn that into a scandal at some point, but oh You're hmm scandal at some point, but. Oh, you're, hmm. Endorsing honey in private. Yeah. Yeah, I'm hiding it.

Yeah. Behind this gated community. Behind my paywall. You can't help yourself. You just have to endorse honey. Yeah. And you do it through ways that the- You make people pay for it. The most vulnerable whale users.

I'm exploiting their addiction to- The people who trust you the most, Linus wow that's pretty good wow yeah yeah good job okay what else we got some announcements oh yeah we're supposed to explain merch messages hey merch messages are the way to interact with the show. We don't do the other things. Super chats, quick bits. Thank you, those things. Quick bits is a tech like that.

Bits, bits on Twitch. Okay, what's your excuse? Twitch bits. Right after I said it, I was like, uh-oh. I didn't even catch it. Quick bits. Cool, so, right, because if you're gonna throw money at your screen, we believe that you should get something

in return, so how about a great LTT reversible bomber jacket? It's back, folks. It's the jacket made for the indecisive or the stylish or both we saw a ton of you guys were looking for these so we brought them back Luke and I are wearing the same jacket I believe this is the only reversible garment that we've ever done and this is a really funny one for me because I never got one oh really yeah I like forgot and got. Like that's the thing about being allowed

to have anything you want from the store, is that sometimes you kind of go, oh, I'll get it later. And then you don't get it. And then you're like, oh, fuck. Cause the run rate wasn't high enough to do a reorder. And it's like, okay, well I missed it. I never, I didn't get any of our Merino underwear. I have two samples of it, like pre-release samples

that don't fit right. Cause they were pre-release, and then I never got any of the actual production ones. You want to know something really tragic? I have none of the full-plane exclusive ones. What? Because they all went so fast that I couldn't do the internal request form, and I just asked for them directly and it just like didn't happen. That's hilarious So in the future, I just have to buy them, which is fine But the thing that really pains me is that I can't get them

I was like I will buy is no problem, but they don't they're gone There's no way that we're gonna ask Marco to do like one for you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah He probably even still has the screens for it, but we're not good Yeah, I'm not gonna be like cuz cuz he could do it But I there's no way I'm gonna do that is I'm not even the only person from flow plane that is like oh I didn't get it Christmas party you could do a surprise run of all of them If we ever acquire our own

printing gear and stuff Then I think we could do stuff that makes absolutely no sense like that But as it is when we have an external partner, like I think we try not to fuck Anymore than we absolutely have the whole thing to load up the screen and stuff, isn't it? Like well, yes and no. They do prototypes. They'll do one shirt for us. That's aspirational.

It's not knowing this is the only one you're going to do. Yes. And you know what? Honestly, our t-shirt printing guy is awesome. And sometimes he will even do stuff where he'll be like, yeah, I like what you guys did, but also here's a version that has a couple more colors that I thought would look really cool. And like, so he'll do stuff like that,

like he's clearly willing to put in the work, but I just, I don't like asking people to do something that makes no sense for their business in general. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I'm not asking for that. Sorry, sorry, yes, I'm fixing the collar. Anyway, the point is that There we go. Luke and I are wearing the same jacket right now. Oh, did I know it's the front now? Oh

There you go. There you go. Sorry about that. Luke and I are wearing the same reversible bomber jacket It has the most subtle LTT branding of all time Yes, we have a black on black Yes, we have a black on black We right there logo that you can kind of make out if you look at it from the side and then the puffs The puffs Make little LTT's I thought that was really cute when I first saw that see this there's a T And there's a there's another T. There's an L in there. It's far easier to just see the T's. There's an L in there somewhere. The L's are there.

Yeah. Yeah, they're in there somewhere. I think the L's are made with the little square, so the bottom of the L is actually closed off. So it's not as easy to see, but it is there. Yeah, so by default, it's stealthy and sleek. And by not default, it is vibrant orange with LGD quilted all over it. It's weather resistant and slightly insulated to keep you warm, but not too warm during

the spring. And also has a total of nine zippered pockets on both sides so you can carry all the things. It's available now at LMG.GG slash bomber. Also we have some floatplane announcements. After the first merge message. What one quick sec, sorry before you go. I just want to show this because not everyone notices it but uh someone asked me for like uh the sizing of it for tall people. Um I would recommend it's just it's small but you can click on the size guide and they have like

actually pretty good size guides for like practically everything so. Yeah. Open that little that little modal up and check it out. Oh I didn't realize how well reviewed this product was. Oh, it's literally five stars Yeah, it is an excellent jacket our our goal. I believe you're one or two or something 4.88 out of five Huh? That's pretty good man for for a company that has struggled so much to sell our jackets We sure good job make good. I like it actually genuinely, I bring every opportunity I have, I bring this jacket up. And I think we're never making it again or something,

but the- The windbreaker. No, the 3D down. Oh, the 3D down, we're never making the 3D down again. It looks incredibly sharp. I know. Like it's a really attractive jacket. It's probably like the nicest clothing item I own. It's super, super comfortable. Everyone that I've like handed it to is like,

oh, wow, this is really nice. I'm like, yeah, but we just, it was like too expensive for people to not be able to try it on. I think that's a big part of it. I also think that we could have marketed the material that we were using, the like 3D printed, like feather based material that was super thin, I think we could have marketed it better. Like we're, it's tough, we're still, we're still learning. Like we're, we're still pretty new at the whole like physical goods business. And we've been hyper focused on just like making really good products. And for years, we just kind of relied on the sheer volume of traffic that we could drive to the site from our channel to to sell it. We need to get way better at marketing and we are getting better like just our product photography is so much better now.

Oh yeah that's huge. Yeah. Artie and the team have been doing a great job of like our copy is so much better now. That too. Like website copy. Like we are're we are improving but these things take time like look at this banner yeah like it's actually really cool and like this one was sick like we just I don't know there's there's things that are really coming along that like it makes it feel like a it makes it feel like a real store the site needs improvement.

We know that though, we know that. There's a redesign that's being worked on. I don't know this, but I'm gonna make a little assumption that the work being done on the redesign is being somewhat impacted by tariff stuff going on because it's probably not as big of a focus anymore. Oh dude, the team's been like. Oh yeah.

Look, I mean, we're not the only ones. So I'm not gonna sit here and complain like it's a unique situation that's impacting us but the team's just been like working on things and then effectively has to drop everything just toss out the window and go figure out just completely unnecessary bullshit that yeah yeah it's like all the companies above the border and some companies below the border too. It's a lot of people, but yeah, I think if I could make an assumption, they've probably shifted their focus a little bit to that more than the redesign, which totally makes sense.

So the redesign is coming. I don't know when it's going to happen, but it's coming. And then hopefully it'll look a little bit nicer. The main thing that we ran into, in my opinion, is we just have too much stuff now. Like the design for the store that we had was fine when you have like a few shirts, maybe one or two other things. It's a merch store. Yeah. And now we're like even more not a merch store. I know.

Like we were only really a merch store back in like, I'm guessing like 2017. We've talked in the past about like separating the store for like, you know, tools and clothing and whatever but it's like how do we do that we have like two tools you know um like we talked about when because the cables are coming up soon and we've talked about okay well maybe we should like launch a cable brand and it's like right but we're going to start with just USB cables. Like it. And then we lose the strength of the LTT brand. I think you could do it once you have like really a proper like line of products.

Yeah, I guess, but the problem is it takes us so long to develop a whole lineup of products because, and a big part of it is that we refuse to make a product that just doesn't have a reason to exist. Like we've got, dude, we have prototyped so many tools, whether it's, you know, tweezers or like disassembly tools or- Taryn was showing me a bag the other day

that'll never see the light of day. Like we prototype so much stuff and then we just ask ourselves, you know, what is the point of this? You know, what is its place in the market? What need does it serve? And like I've seen a lot of criticism of our products, right? Because people are like why would I buy that screwdriver when I can get one from Harbor Freight for $4? And it's like Yeah, sure Exactly. Whenever I can't find my LTT screwdriver at home and I need a screwdriver and I do find another one

I get like actually upset and we'll keep looking for like a while before I'll give up Like why isn't it where it's supposed to be? I don't use this other one Anyways, and if you want a Harbor Freight screwdriver, you can buy one Yeah, send it but the thing is that we don't have a competitive edge against a Harbor Freight screwdriver. And we're not trying. Which is being designed, manufactured, and sold and brought to market

via a completely different process with a low cost, at any cost mentality that we're not gonna be able to compete. I don't own a screwdriver factory, right? So we're not gonna be able to compete in that space. We have to differentiate in another way. We differentiate through our customer service, which has been a little slow lately,

but is still committed to making sure that we, yes. And I'll be fast. The quality of our customer resolution strategy. Solid. Let's go with that. Through the trust me bro guarantee, we compete based on making sure that we differentiate, like our precision screwdriver set,

there was that side remark from someone that we cloned their precision screwdriver kit. We absolutely didn't ours Disassembles and stacks and has a magnetic parts tray built into it There's also wasn't the first one has longer shanks on the bit so that you can reach into recessed spots more easily It has a stronger magnet. It also has a higher quality bearing. It has in handle bit storage in a metal Chassis, it's got all kinds of differences compared to other things. And yeah, it's more expensive. Of course, it's more expensive because it just costs way more to make.

But that's what differentiates it. So we've had so many things in the prototype phase that we've just ultimately not moved forward with because... And maybe this is something that will change. Maybe this is something that will change where we actually do something that will change, where we actually do just say, okay, look, we need a pair of flush cutters. And yeah, they are not gonna be. I think this is a,

I think the original goal of that whole thing was very noble. I think eventually it makes sense to change once you have product categories started, where someone might want all of the stuff in this category to be from one brand or to have a style identity, right? Color matching, general aesthetic, similar to each other. That is dependable.

Yeah, consistent enough. Like, yeah, that that's totally a thing Someone just said Milwaukee tools. Yeah, I mean a lot of tools people like having I mean in a lot of those categories It's because of battery compatibility and whatnot, but a lot of people like having kind of like one brand of stuff that they have So I think getting into a category you should probably only do it if there's something new and good that you can bring to that market But once you're in that category, it's like I don't know. Whatever. LTT multi hammer? Thank you Conrad for that. Wait it could be a hammer and a crowbar. Stop. Yeah, I don't know. And obviously it's a strategy that works for other brands. I forget who it is, but one of those worksite brands has a radio.

Oh, like all of them do? It's like $200 or $250. Because they run off the tool batteries. Because they run off an espresso machine. Yeah, a rugged espresso machine for manly espresso drinkers. Yeah, and it probably runs off the tool batteries. It does, yes. They find a way.

Everything will run off the tool batteries. Yeah, so you know what? That's something that in the longer term, maybe we do just have to kind of figure out. And maybe we 3x the engineering team. I think that's a joke. Maybe we 3x the engineering team, and then yeah, we just make a hammer. We make flush cutters.

We make, you know, ethernet crimps. And as long as they're good enough and they're priced reasonably-ish, then hey, we'll have that. Oh my god. It doesn't even come with a battery. Good lord. Of course they do. I don't know why I doubted it. That photo of it just on the ground is so golden to me. I'm gonna heat up my work hot pockets.

Oh my god. Yeah of course. I think with it we should do an espresso grinder. Maybe there's a middle ground to be found here. I don't think we need a microwave. Now you have to. Can you imagine being the like engineer at Makita who's tasked with this? I'm sorry, what? No, no, no. They would have a meeting. They'd all be drunk. And they'd just be like, microwave. Oh my god, dude Yeah, let's go. We get blue. What a great idea. It's kind of say I bet you they sold these to be honest Oh, I'd buy like I would definitely buy one as like a flex Yeah, if you're on like a fairly remote job site and you own Makita stuff anyway, and they don't have any like

Like I don't know. This is if you serve if you gave Seb no budget or oversight and Seb wouldn't know that made out of fails said would build a folding microwave Ikea assemble it yourself. I don't think we're going to do a pocket knife anytime soon. And we're definitely not doing whatever that other, whatever that thing that other person Oh, LTT pizza oven though. I like it. You could have a computer in it.

Double as a computer case. It crypto mines. What if you made a warmingming thing where it just, you mounted like a radiator to it, like a computer radiator to it? I'd be down. Didn't the PlayStation or the Xbox do that for with like a pizza hut?

Pizza hut or something, yeah. I don't remember who it was. Someone memed on that at some point. I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember exactly who. Was it KFC did a console? KFC, yeah. Yeah, KFC. Okay, do you want KFC did a car see yeah, okay?

Okay, what oh yeah, do you want a merch map? We actually done one yet? No, we even explained you you they are yeah I did oh wait. We didn't explain how to descend one. Oh, there we go. Oh you go to LT. You go to Any someone was wrong You go to LTTstore.com, you add something to your cart, you'll see a box, there'll be a thing when we're live, the box, and then you put a merch message in there and then when you place your order it will go to producer Dan, hey there it is, look at that, I would like to merch message. And this guy will look at it. Am I bad at my job or are these guys just uncontrollable?

God, why not both? Sure. Okay, I will now read you one of those things. Nice. Hi DLL, are there any updates regarding cable testing? I got scammed on a Type-C to DP cable recently. It couldn't do 4K 240Hz, as advertised. And I was wondering if Labs is going to do cable testing. So we are currently working on cable testing from both ends of the organizational noodle.

The Creator Warehouse team is working on the development of our own cables, and the Labs team obviously is interested in using our cable tester, but beyond being interested in it, I don't think we have much in the way of plans to start publishing any kind of cable testing. We did a couple of LTT videos with our cable tester back in the day, but the thing that we ran up against is that while it's a really cool device, it's limited in terms of what it can test. We can't test anything that has a chip in it, so no optical cables, no thunderbolt cables, and we can't test past I think it was

I'm gonna probably gonna get this wrong. It was either 10 gigabit per second I think it was 10 gigabit per second or something like that USB C and USB C now or USB now goes to 20 40 gigabit per second and I Is it like USB for gen 2 or so? I can't remember the branding for it But there is USB for branding 2 or so? I can't remember the branding for it, but there is USB4 branding for what would be the Thunderbolt 5 Data rates, but I don't know I don't remember if they need chips in the cables or if they like only work over very short runs I'm a little fuzzy on the details. I haven't had to do a video about it recently. So

You'll have to forgive me if I'm wrong But either way that cable tester would be getting nowhere near 80 gigabit per second. It's just not fast enough. And the tools that can get that fast are not so convenient as that device was. They may have modules that can work for these faster data rates now. I don't think we've looked into it for a while, but basically, short version of the story is that for the development of our branded cables, we used a third party to do testing and validation

because we do have cables that are gonna be rated for 20 gigabit and we needed to be able to test those in a way that was reliable. Can't just take anyone's word for it if we're gonna put our label on the product. I'm very excited about the cables. They're chunky. They're like, noticeably contribute to the weight of what I'm carrying. But I trust it.

It works every time. There was a fun moment down in that city that we were in, doing the land house tour thing, where somebody was, I think we were talking about LTD store and how we make like good stuff. And then somebody there was like- Oh no, I think they, no, no, they know where the city is. Okay. People know where the land house is, yeah, it's in Austin.

Yeah, I just wasn't sure. Yeah. But somebody there was like, oh, you should make USB cables. I'm like so tired of all these ones I don't remember. I think it was like Like hobby radio operating. Oh, yeah, that's right some issue with some cable and you were like I mean these ones and pulled one out of your pocket. That was a pretty fun and they looked at it They were like, okay, like how is it made? And I was like, oh coaxial they looked at it they were like okay like how is it made and I was like oh Coaxial all the things and they were like oh Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be expensive But like there's people that will have applications for them and there are no other cables like this as far as my understanding goes

So like it is what it is. They were like it's pretty thick. There's there's no way every conductor is shielded in there, and I'm like Don't make me cut it open like Don't make me cut it open Really don't make last time we did that Like almost as a joke you should like cut one in half for the product page like show not even a joke yeah Yeah, no no be cool. Yeah, because we'll have cable stock. Yeah, we still have cable stuff like we have cable stock now We could we could show it to people that makes sense, but yeah, cable stock. Like we have cable stock now. We could show it to people. That makes sense. But yeah, no, they are very, very high quality cables and I'm very, very excited for them to arrive at some point eventually. We're working on it. We're going to do it right. And then if USB cables are a success, we'd like to do more than that. I don't think we're gonna get into fiber optic anytime soon,

so we're gonna do quality copper conductor cables, and then we will see how it goes. I mean, who knows? Maybe it'll be a huge smash hit for us, and we'll be like, oh, we'd be crazy to not invest in figuring out optical cables, but we need to get this over the line first. Yeah.

Sometimes I wonder what our business would be like in figuring out optical cables, but we need to get this over the line first. Yeah. Got to do one. Sometimes I wonder what our business would be like if we took a more like, just like go hard, um, approach. Like we, we kind of did a middle ground approach and that didn't work very well where we like hired people without, you know, proper management structures, but there's other ways to

do things like you can, you can like go out and, uh can go out and look at how Mr. Beast did Feastables. It's not like he tried to be the CEO of a chocolate company. He just hired a team of experienced people from the snack industry and was like, okay, go. And you can see it reflected in the lower profitability, obviously. Yeah. I think the numbers are something like 30 million on like 300 million in sales or something like that But still that's like that's healthy enough 30 million dollars I was just surprised to see that he's apparently still losing money on the video production side

I've taken what like 450 million in some of the investment like I don't know I Hear you some of the stuff that they do though. It's like oh god Yeah, that would be really expensive. Yeah, like unfathomably expensive I Just don't really understand why he bothers to do that anymore like some of the more humanitarian philanthropic stuff. Sure Yeah, absolutely. But some of the just like that's a lot of that's on another channel Yeah, but some of the well not not always like the the blindness one was Yeah, he just he has mr. Beast philanthropy. No, no, I know

But just like the for the just the spectacle videos. I just feel like he doesn't really He's such a creative guy. I feel like he just doesn't have to rely on a big price tag anymore, but he And then sometimes it's not just you know, like rely on a big price tag anymore, but he... And sometimes it's not just, you know, like a bigger prize or a more expensive, you know, Lamborghini and a crushing machine or whatever. Like sometimes it comes more down to elaborate sets and just doing things in a novel way. But it just seems like at some point it might be nice to make that a sustainable machine as well. Those things could both be true, that's a nice hat. I love how he got like super

canceled and just it didn't matter at all. Just looking at his channel right now. Well I mean it's not like he's you know his influence is important or anything it's not like he's you know know, his influence is important or anything. It's not like he's, uh, he, you know, an error on a graph could potentially make someone buy the wrong graphics card and regret it for the rest of their life. That's true. So we have to have different standards for different people. Yeah. It's all about the importance of, you know, what's going on.

Like someone's gaming. That could be impacted. That's a life. Think about it. That's a life. Think about it. Imagine that life went on without ray tracing Dang it. You got there first I'm too slow today

I felt like you were cooking for it too. I was like I will win this You got me so good. I wanted to get there first, but my brain is so bad Anyways How about the Float Plane announcement? Did we do two Merch messages? No we didn't. We did only one, I think. I'm pretty sure. We did one Merch message.

Do you want to read the title of Float Plane announcements? After first Merch message I'm getting. Oh, sure. Next week, we will have a stream with Sarah. Let's watch the announcement with audio, please. Is this another Flowplain thing? Because if it is, I need to buy this one. Yes.

Okay, cool, because I didn't plan complaining about that. Okay. I already like the vibe. See if the audio is gonna work. Sure, go for it. Alright, they can hear now you want to hear it where I will be drawing derpy dinos with your contribution. See you there. Is it going to be a product? I mean, yeah. Or is she just drawing derpy dinos?

Jurassic Park is, that's a pretty timely cultural reference, right? Did you hear them playing it on the recorder? Yeah, I know. I thought that was great. I'm wondering if that's going to be a product because I don't think they said like, like her previous ones, they made shirts out of it. That's the hat. Yeah, it took me way too long to get that because I'm wondering if that's gonna be a product because I don't think they said like that like her previous ones They made shirts out of it. That's the hat. I Yeah, it took me way too long to get that cuz I'm really stupid right now, but that's crazy That's awesome. Sorry. I didn't even realize it took you that long to get that. I wasn't I got there at the very end Okay. Yeah, buddy Cool. Yeah, great. Great job. You didn't get it from the head turn no and the dinosaur yeah

No, I was literally at Universal Studios riding around on like Jurassic Park rides Two and a half days ago, and I still it still took me that long Wow But yeah, I don't I don't know because I know with a lot of these previous streams they've turned them into shirts or one time even it was like a poster I think. Man, I'm not sure. It's some kind of design stream. Oh, here we go. As promised, we'll be selling the Content Cosmos design as a poster during the stream

exclusively for Float Plane subscribers, as far as I like to call them floaters. If you don't know what the Content content cosmos looks like, here it is. And I don't have access to this. Neither do I, so I can't... Nice. Give me a second. Dan's working on it. He's working on it. He's cooking. Let him cook. Go subscribe at LMG.GG slash Float Plane. Not on YouTube, because we don't stream there.

Well, we don't stream this there. We're streaming something there right now Oh, that's sick. That was it you were only going to show it for that long. We're not going to get to appreciate it It's pretty cool It's pretty cool. Sammy had that shirt when we were down at the place. That's amazing and friend Okay, next merch message. Yeah, written there. With a recent flurry of 30 day challenges,

is Graphene OS something you would do and explore? I don't know. Custom phone OS. I guess so. It's such a hassle. Yeah really is awful doing phone stuff is really annoying and like it's it's it's like getting into Linux stuff where no matter how right you do it everyone will just kind of hate you for it anyway and it's like why do I even bother talking to you people? Wow the wow. Oh, I thought you were wowing at me being spicy

No, no, no, no, no, I went to their website and was looking at stuff and I was like, oh they have a features tab I wonder what features they have and then I was like, wow, this is really dense I started scrolling and I was like, whoa, and then I kept scrolling and was like like, whoa. And then I kept scrolling and was like, oh, what features do you have? Yes. Yes. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I would consider it. It's just yeah, it's such a it's such a hassle and the things that differentiate phones for me these days are just totally not really the OS that much like you guys probably noticed that I'm long past

my 30 days that I committed to do on the iPhone yeah I super duper don't love it I still have some weird buggy behavior that I have not invested the time into fixing and therefore haven't fixed. Like I've got this, this is a really weird one. Check this out. If I, when I open, oh, this one worked. This is so bizarre. So sometimes when I click a link to a Google Doc, it, oh, no, no, no, no, no, that was user error.

I clicked the wrong spot. It like totally opens a Google Doc. And then I saw, I had it today with Chewie's community report here it is. So sometimes when I open a Google Doc it's like yo, do you want to open with Chrome or Google app or safaris and It doesn't prompt me for anything other than a browser So I I don't recall setting it to open with a browser,

like a Google Doc link in my email, but I like can't accept calendar invitations sometimes, and I can't open Google Docs, I just have to go close the app, and then just like open the Docs app, and then go to shared with me. Someone says click Safari. It'll open in docs.

I promise you it won't. Watch this. Safari. And it opens in Safari. Or it prompts me to sign in rather. I am 100 percent signed in. Oh, wait, hold on a second. Is that docs? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, hold on. Hold on. Wait, what is this? Oh, no. Okay. No, that's just my password manager. So I'm a hundred percent signed in because I can open that doc here. This is this is the doc that was shared with me, but for whatever reason I

click done. I try to open it here. I am literally in the email inbox of the one that I just showed you People like that's a Google thing. Well, that's nice, but it's a crappy experience. I use Google for my organization. So it's bad Um, I don't recall I don't recall ever setting it to do that. I'm not saying I didn't look Calm the fuck down. So you need to sign in in Safari and then it opens it in Docs. That's so whack down so you need not signed in in Safari and then it opens it in Docs that's so whack what why would I'm Joshua Carroll in full plane chat is saying you need to be signed in Safari and then it will work why did it work the other time you just saw me open a different Google Doc and it did work yeah I have no idea is Is it specific types of docs? Like do docs open in one but

they were sheets open in another? They were both docs. They were both docs. Here, hold on. Which one was the one I tried to show? Yeah. The one I tried to show you was the logistics weekly update. Which is a doc. Yeah. And that one opened in drive and then docs and 100% opened. I don't know. Yeah, you were already in that doc in the Google Docs. No, that's not the issue. Yeah, it is bizarre how defensive people will get about this. I'm not attacking iOS right now. Right from the very start, I said I do not recall configuring it to do this. I left an opening for it being very possible that I configured something incorrectly and before that I said

that I haven't investigated but the behavior is certainly very weird. My point, let's not lose the point, my point was that even with that inconvenience, the operating system of my phone just doesn't matter that much to me these days. I'm clearly still using this because in spite of the fact that I have some inconveniences, there are inconveniences in pretty much everything, whether it's Android, Mac OS, Windows, Linux, iOS,

they all have inconveniences. And it just doesn't matter that much. I had Theo, T3 Theo, watch your iPhone video. Oh yeah. He's a Apple device enjoyer, like fairly intensely. And yeah, he had some minor disagreences, but for the most part he was like, yeah, he had some minor disagreements, but for the most part, he was like, yeah, agreed.

I really do think that Apple needs to bring some non Apple users into their product development process, because the kind of just acceptance of stuff that is just obviously wrong. And when I say wrong, you know, from like a product design standpoint, what I mean is inconsistent. When there's a, when the same action can do two different things or two different actions, actually, no, two different actions to do the same thing is fine because then as long as the documentation is clear and as long as they each have, you know, a distinct purpose, then that can be down to user preference.

But when the same action gets you two different results, that's not great. He had some interesting comments on stuff like that as well. This wasn't him refuting your comment, but it was just a discussion piece that Android's the only operating system that has a universal back of any kind. Yeah, I can't think of another one that does. Even Chrome OS doesn't.

Which is an interesting observation, interesting comment. He wasn't saying like, therefore it should be fine that Apple, he wasn't saying that. He's just pointing out. I think the closest that we've had, like on the Windows side was back when Escape pretty consistently closed what you were doing.

Or like- It still does pretty good with that or went out well Yes, and no because like Programs now they'll want alt F4 or they'll want F10 and then navigating a menu tree and or whatever like there's I Would I would say actually from like a, from a back navigation standpoint, we've regressed on Windows. Yeah. I'm just saying it's not like gone, but we've definitely regressed a lot. Okay.

Short side rant. Both Microsoft and Apple, fix your shit when it comes to force close both of you. When it comes to force close both of you I Freak I ran into an issue on on the Mac recently where like I Couldn't close something. I have to go up in the menu and go force close That it makes me so mad why do I have to do that the red button is literally there I'm telling you close I

Mean close you could prompt me. do you want to force close? You know, this is not responding. Do you want to force close? But just bring it to me. Why do I have to go looking for it? And I want to make this very clear. I'm not singling out Apple here. Microsoft for years and years and years. And I'd love, you know what? Invitation time. I'd love to have a Microsoft developer come on the show and explain this one to me, because I will run into situations where an app is so hung that not only does not click,

that's clicking X not do anything, but going into the task manager and it's like not responding or whatever and like trying to end the task, the windows equivalent of forth close doesn't do anything. But the system's not locked up and you can make it go away by logging out. I would love to have it explained to me and you will see, you'll see the app when you log out, your apps all gracefully close. So I would love to have it explained to me why force close or end task or whatever doesn't just use whatever mechanism they use when I log out. Just do that. Please tell me you are invited to come on the WAN Show because maybe there is a super sensible explanation for it. Like maybe some critical process or whatever

can be, has to be closed first in order to do that or something. But I kinda doubt it, cause Explorer seems to be the last thing to go. Like you can see the Explorer interface as all the stuff that you've been trying to get rid of goes away and then it is done and then it's like, Explorer's gone

and then boom, it kicks you out to the login screen it's like. Also some people seem to be misinterpreting my universal back in Windows thing because they're like oh it works it works it works in a lot of Windows stuff it works in Windows Explorer what does back like a back button on your mouse alt on your on your mouse oh sure but it doesn't actually work literally everywhere holy crap I thought I would never get used to alt left like alt left key yeah I don't remember what the old hotkey was was it alt escape I don't know what was the old hotkey was. Was it alt escape? I don't know. What was the old hotkey? For what, going back?

Yeah, going back. Like going back in your browser, back in Windows Explorer. Backspace, that's what it was. Okay. Was that it? It was alt backspace, I think. Wasn't just backspace. No, I think it was alt backspace. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well anyway Yeah, the the Android one you can swipe to go back in anything at any time. Yeah, it's amazing

I love it the Windows one. It works in a lot of Windows things, but it doesn't work Oh, let's just back to everywhere literally all the time. It was just backspace. That's kind of I totally forgot that I don't know wasn't that long ago There's like two years ago or something. Yeah, three maybe I didn't use it wait. When did they change that? Yeah, I forget why they changed it, but they they did it for a reason But yeah in your browser backspace used to go back and now that doesn't do anything. Maybe it just Resulted in a lot of accidental going back. Yeah.

That's a likely one. Ten years ago, shut up. No, no, shut up. Don't even. That was ten years ago. Shut up. Oh. Okay, no, what?

When was it? When was it? Bad search query. 2016. It's nine years ago. That's rough, man. They disabled it. They blocked it.

In July 2016, Google Chrome blocked the use of the backspace key to navigate to a previous page in their Chrome 52 release. This was because of reports that it brings about loss of data inputted into a form on a page by switching to the previous page. And probably had a lot of mis-inputs when people thought they were in a text box field and they weren't. That's likely why I never wanted to use it. Whoa. Yeah, I used it all the time. Okay, cool. I'm a mouse enjoyer. Yeah. Well, just when I'm, I don't know, I have the keyboards right there. I don't know. I just

kind of, I'm a sporadic hotkey user. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have used alt left often on laptops. Okay. Have you tried the alt right? Here, you just got to press that key next to the Z and the C. Okay so what are we talking about now? Speaking of which, Mark Grober is Robur is under fire. Hey! Oh! For his latest video about LIDAR that had a focus on comparing camera-only assisted driving systems as found on Tesla's vehicles to LIDAR assisted systems. The big headline grabbing test was of course the Wiley Coyote style fake highway wall that they erected to try to fool the cameras.

And the video was celebrated for demonstrating why Tesla's camera only systems are inferior to more expensive LiDAR solutions across six tests involving a variety of driving conditions, fog, heavy rain, sunset, sunrise. The Tesla failed to safely stop before hitting a child mannequin and or a Looney Tunes wall in three out of six tests. LIDAR was successful in all tests. However, this video drew the ire of many folks. Why? Well, for the one thing, the title. Can you fool a self-driving car? No self-driving cars appear in the video. Both cars are using driving assists rather than being self-driving. However, as I have talked about for the last 10 plus years, maybe not quite that long, but certainly more than five. Tesla's being self-driving is a pretty common misunderstanding, and I can see how much like

I made that video saying that I stole a tampon from a store when it was clearly a pad. That was the beginning of evil-linus, I think. I think so. Yeah. I can see how he might have used the term self-driving because it was easily understood across many languages and has a strong association with the Tesla car that he was using in the test, even if no, technically that car is not self-driving. And a big part of the reason that people associate Teslas with self-driving is that a they call their

control Slash lane keep assist their their auto cruise control slash lane keep assist autopilot Which is pretty misleading and they also call their advanced driver assistance full self-driving And have been promising next year complete autonomy for like, I don't, six years? Something like that? Don't quote me on it, but quite a few years. So was that title the best choice? No, probably not. It probably wasn't the most factually correct choice, but I can also completely understand why. Elon Musk first publicly announced that all Tezos would have the hardware necessary for full self-driving in 2016

Oh, wow, so nine years again, but I think he made that promise in 2016 Oh, he said it would be in two to three years. Got it. Okay. All right. So anyway Yeah, the the the title probably could have been more accurate The title probably could have been more accurate. The other main criticism is that he was using autopilot, which is outdated. Tesla's full self-driving system that, again, does not allow the car to drive itself unattended, it requires constant human supervision, is far more advanced than the autopilot system and has received more updates. However, that doesn't really change the point of his video,

which is that both autopilot and full self-driving rely entirely on cameras, cameras which have fundamental limitations. Robur has not disclosed which version of Tesla autopilot he, and Tesla planned to roll out the ability to use full self-driving without a driver in June. I'm not even going to say that. Tesla... This is the MSI board power thing again. So I should just not say anything that a manufacturer says at this point then. Tesla says that they're gonna do that, but hey, they first said that it was coming later this year, like many, many years ago.

Yeah, they specifically, in 2019, or wait, where is it? In 2020, Musk claimed full self-driving would be feature complete by the end of the year. That was the first time that it was like within a year that he claimed it would happen as far as my understanding goes Based on this timeline that I found which might not be right someone else said it. I gotta be careful so in summary, I Think that we're kind of missing Missing the forest for the trees here a little bit the point of the test and like men people are getting so I think it's the timing right? The fake road?

Robert was talking about how I think they were like planning this video from last year. He's not apparently an investor in any company involved and didn't get paid by that company with the Lidar cars. They just provided one of the cars. And he's openly planning on like buying a new Tesla soon because he wants to upgrade the one that he has. He's like, I'm not a Tesla hater. I'm not against them. I'm going to buy another one. You're targeting the wrong person, which I think is hilarious, personally. I don't know about anybody else, but I think it's funny. But I think it's the timing with the stock going down and the Tesla protests all happening

right now, and a lot of people just not understanding even sort of at all that video production has timelines. And this was definitely started a long time ago and was not planned to drop during a Tesla stock on fire, everyone lighting cars on fire, anti-Nazi protests, arc? You just never know what's gonna happen. The world's crazy. Casper Explorer asks, what happened to using both in conjunction?

Good question. Tesla not only stopped shipping cars with LIDAR in them, they actually deactivated the lidar that is in any of their existing fleet of cars that do have lidar installed in them. And that was in the interest of building their full self-driving capabilities using only cameras. The really baffling thing to me is that, and I actually didn't even realize this until I was reading up on this, is that Tesla not only relies just on cameras, but they don't even have stereoscopic vision with their cameras.

Oh. I did not know that. And you guys, correct me in the chat if I'm wrong, but that was something... That'd be too many cameras, dude. Sorry, it wasn't a LiDAR, it was radar, wasn't it? We're gluing panels on around here. We can't double up the cameras. Hold on, they never had LiDAR. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What did they have in?

Radar? what did they disable ultrasonic sensors Tesla removed the ultrasonic sensors oh sorry guys addition to camera onlyition to camera only driver assist. Ultrasonic, that's right They didn't use LiDAR because LiDAR was really expensive back then. LiDAR costs have come down though, and that's why and That's why other cars are coming equipped with them. Well my LiDAR just detected Linus who just lied. They do have a one-dimensional detected Linus who just lied. They do have a one-dimensional... Thanks, Dan. They do have a one-dimensional distance sensor. So there you go. I would have thought that they would want like stereo vision with the cameras though.

Too many cameras. Yeah, maybe too many. Like I said earlier, we're gluing on panels over here. We're not buying extra cameras. Look, it's not happening Look we can't afford fasteners. I am NOT claiming that I know how to build a self-driving car But maybe you'd use a fastener, but that's the difference That's the difference I'm not claiming to build a self-driving car and the point of Mark's test the point of Mark's test was simply to show that There are limitations in a camera only system that are going to be Not just difficult but impossible to overcome By not having anything else

Backing it up and I think we've really We've really seen that especially under, you know, real world challenging conditions different from what he. Like up here in Canada, snow is a major factor in the functionality of any kind of camera system. I mean, on my car regularly, I will turn on my car and I'll get a notification that some of my driving assist features don't work because the cameras are caked in snow. And like, yeah, sure, theoretically,

you should go out and do a pre-flight check before you ever operate a vehicle. Like, that is literally on your exam when you get your driver's license. If you don't do it, they fail at you. You are actually supposed to do a walk around the vehicle. And I have never once seen someone do it outside of the exam.

Not even once Nurtles like what yeah, it's it's literally it is it is a very serious part of our exam up here If you don't do it, you definitely will fail and I genuinely has never seen that happen Yeah, it does I watched Jake leave the building literally yesterday and he did not know I don't believe there's no way So so yeah. Damn, caught me. So the point is theoretically I should go around my vehicle and I should have a little, I should have a little brush and I should sweep off all my little cameras and everything. But there are also situations where there's a bunch of slush on the road or a bunch of salt or there's a bunch of snow coming down. And or a bunch of salt or there's a bunch of snow coming down Recover while you're driving where it can get covered while you're driving and it's just very obvious that A camera pointed in a particular direction can be covered

Oh well, good luck everybody Linus admitting on camera that he doesn't do the legally required pre-drive check that everyone else definitely does. I don't come get me. Let's go on your drive over. Don't forget to walk around your car. You definitely won't do. Max O drive says Kyle Paul did a video that shows that hardware Hardware 3 on older software on full self-driving fails, but hardware 4 on current software. It does see the wall and stops

What was the can you remind me? What was the generation of hardware that? Mr. Musk said would be capable full self-driving again. What was it? Let me I gotta find that again Trying to remember trying to remember what it was was it was it for I Think it was four. It's four right? I think it's like two. No, it was three. It's three house three Again I'm reading this off something else so I don't know, but Elon Musk, this is a quote, this is a quote, I didn't say this is a quote. Okay? Elon Musk initially stated that Tesla's hardware 2.0, or HW2, also known as AP2, was capable

of level five autonomy, paving the way for full self-driving capabilities. That's an AI overview though. I didn't say it. You should ask Grok. You should ask the uncensored AI. Sure. That's actually pretty funny. You should ask Grok.

I don't know how to do that, but I'm going right now. Lord, you'll have to sign into Twitter. Yeah. Yikes. What are we supposed to be doing right now Dan? Oh, I'll do sponsors while you figure that out. My favorite one is when people ask Grok who spreads the most misinformation on Twitter and it says Elon. Have you seen that?

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We're going, we're going, we're cooking. Hardware 3. Yeah, okay. And that's the one that... Wait for it, no, for real this time, definitely would definitely be definitely capable of self-driving with full redundancy. But now it turns out they're actually using all of the redundancy just to like run it at the level that it's running at now.

In its defense, it's coming to this conclusion by looking it up, it seems. Yeah, I didn't actually know that part. So it's coming to a conclusion by like looking up websites, which I mean I'm sure people say that a lot. I think it would be very hard to define who actually spreads the most information on a particular website. But if it's just like effectively googling it, then people are gonna say Elon all the time, so it makes sense that it comes up with that. I just thought it was funny, but I didn't realize it was just search engine stuff. Speaking of being potentially, um, minus American cheese is cheese. Well, then it should taste like cheese.

Boom. Roasted. Absolutely destroyed. Um, so this is interesting. I we don't have this topic prepped, I don't think. Do we have anything on section 230? As far as I know, it's a it's a mixture of cheeses. Section 230? What? Yeah. So that's the whole thing where you're like not liable for the content on your site, which is a huge part of, you know, why user provided or generated content exists. So it's an amendment of the Communications Act of 1934. I'm just looking at Apple Insider's article about it. Crucially says that no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall

be treated as the publisher or speaker of any of the information provided by another information content provider which basically means that user generated content can't open you up to legal liability. Lawmakers are sort of seeking to kill off section 230, which is kind of kind of scary. There's support from both sides, apparently from both Democrats and Republicans. Maybe they just want to force the tech industry into negotiations. Either way, I just thought that was kind of interesting because we were talking about the spread of misinformation on a site. Can you imagine if X Inc or whatever the company is called

was liable for the information that people post on the site, you would just, you would completely- UGC sites would be gone. Like we would shut down the forum immediately. That's the reason that I brought it up because that was the first comment on Reddit under this was like- Anything with a comment section would either remove itself from the internet or remove their comment sections?

Yeah, the OP asked what would happen to the Linus Tech Tips forum if section 230 went away We would immediately delete it Yeah, or not allow it to be opened in America Oh yeah, that's an option too I guess We could just close it to Americans and they could have the VPN experience that the rest of the world gets to enjoy. Yeah. That was it that was all I want I just wanted to answer I just wanted to answer the OP's uh the OP's question here about what would happen to the forum it would be gone.

Period. Yeah. And comments on YouTube would absolutely disappear, which... Well YouTube would disappear. Oh yeah. Man. Unless they had like an approval team at YouTube and like a very small pool of creators that were allowed to upload content at all and all the content on the entire channel had to be vetted. Or sorry, the entire platform had to be vetted and manually.

I doubt they would allow an automated system to do it. No, there's no way, especially when liability comes into it. Yeah. Yeah, effectively, like the vast majority of the modern web that is known and used today would die. So, you know, maybe they should get rid of it. Shraf2k says, no YouTube comments. Can we do this today? Okay people really want us to talk about the

Plex thing. All right I mean we have the notes. Plex is under fire I'm I'm here's the question though Luke. You were too early. When we dropped Plex as a sponsor why didn't we warn anybody? That's true that's true that's true you could have we could have you could have could have warned them you're a jerk um yeah I know just be a big mean guy so we did drop plex as a sponsor a year ago two years ago something like that I still use the product I think your timeline dilated again things I think it's a lot longer than that I can be wrong but I think it's a lot longer than that. I could be wrong, but I think it's a lot longer

than that. When's the last time Plex sponsored something? I don't think it was 10 years ago. No, I don't think it was that long ago. Someone in chat said 10 years ago. I don't think it was that. Hold on. I don't know. Just do my usual thing. Linus Plex. Three ways to start your own Plex server. Yeah, I think they sponsored this. Yeah, Plex for sponsoring this week. Learn more at Plex server. Yeah, I think they sponsored this. Yeah, Plex for sponsoring this week. Learn more at Plex Pro Week. No, I'm good. Well, okay, September 2022. I'd say that's fine. That's two and a half years ago. That's two. I thought we dropped him along before that.

No. So we only ever worked with them a couple of times. But basically, what I told them was, I'm still going to use the product. I'll still talk about the product, but I won't take a sponsorship. This is, because this is one of the ways that we can exert pressure on a brand is we'll basically go, look, we're not going to enter into any kind of partnership with you guys

until XYZ conditions have been met. And I basically laid out like a wish list of features that was basically their list of features that were supposed to work. And I said, look, when these work, then we'll talk. Then we would love to work with you because I do genuinely enjoy using the product. However, it looks like I dodged a bullet here because they have, since we dropped them gone from tolerated to not tolerated. As of April 29th, 2025, PlexPass subscriptions are going up in cost. This is the first time in over 10 years that

pricing has increased, so they at least do get some credit for that. The current cost is $4.99 a month, $40 a year, and $120 lifetime. The new costs are $6.99 a month, $70 a year, and $250 lifetime. I mean, okay. That's not the most insane jump considering they've never done it. They're giving us warning. You've got a month to buy a lifetime license for $120 before, You've got a month to buy a lifetime license for 120 before Before it goes up to 250. Okay, so far. I'm not mad yet wait The price increase applies to new and current subscriptions This is pretty normal. I know I hate that to not or whatever, but it's pretty normal. I hate that I just I don't I understand. You've said that we will raise the price

on Flowplank at some point. Yeah. Yeah. Would that not apply to new and current subscribers? No, it would apply only to new subscribers. Oh, so we have to do another grandfather thing? Okay, right, I remember, all right. Yeah, because that wasn't the deal.

And I understand that from a contract law standpoint, every new month, every billing cycle is a new contract or whatever. But for me, it's not really a question of whether it is legally allowed. It's a question of whether it is right. And no, I don't think that's right. If you sign up for a service for $5 a month

and the service doesn't materially change, at least not for the better, then you don't get to just unilaterally decide that now it's $10 a month and the service doesn't materially change, at least not for the better, then you don't get to just unilaterally decide that now it's $10 a month. I don't think it infinitely makes sense. Personally. If you look at what $5 was worth 20 years ago, I don't know if it's fair to say like for,

until the heat death of the universe, you cannot change the price? Well no, but what you can do, I mean you're gonna have natural user attrition anyway. Like we have been unrealistically generous with the OGs for instance, where we allow them to Hell yeah. Where we allow them to unsubscribe. And then come back. And then resubscribe at their original price. That's actually unhinged and that's not something that I think we could sustain forever

But you're going to have user attrition. You're gonna be constantly adding new users. And so if you don't like the old rates then You just make new rates and over time you will transition everyone there. Yeah, so Nurtle saying like unhinged but based. Yeah, and I mean, I think your policy on that is kind of nuts. I also respect it and I'm totally down, just to be clear. But I also think like not every service can just literally never change the prices for a very significant portion of their user base.

So that's just not gonna work for everyone all the time. In summary, honestly, what do they actually even do? It's all hosted and streamed by you, isn't it? Well, there is the lower quality version where it has the like if you don't have your firewall configured properly or whatever, I think they do relay some data. Okay. All right. I forget what else they actually do that touches their servers.

I don't think it's much though. Unless you are streaming their freemium stuff. GlimmerD said I actually tried to change from the OG $3 tier to the $5 tier on purpose and it wouldn't let me get owned. I will not fix that. You have to pay $3. Okay, but this is a long paragraph and this is a long this is a long topic. So I'm sure we're going to get to some stuff that we're mad about.

Overall, I'm not that mad about this. It's no different from any of the rest of the industry. And the fact that they're only finally increasing their pricing now honestly pretty pretty cool All right The exception is lifetime Plexpass holders If you have a lifetime Plexpass, then your prices don't go up and you can still obtain that until April 29th However, there are a few other changes coming with the price hikes Remote playback for personal media for free

is going away? No way. Are they, hold on a second, are they talking like with their relay or are they talking at all? Because if it's my bandwidth, how could you possibly tell me that you need to charge me for it?

Well, okay, but what is this saying like if the server slash library you have access to does not have a Plex pass subscription You can pay for remote playback. Sorry. What doesn't that make sense though? It's not have a Plex pass subscription Hold on a second What I don't know how the monetization for Plex works so I don't really know. There's oh there's free Plex? I didn't even know that there was free Plex. I thought there was only free Plex if it was ad-supported. Okay. I don't know how it works though. I'm on free Plex. Okay. You can't like Chromecast from your phone

but you can also like Chromecast from your phone, What I would have to do is I have to get a PlexPax subscription for my Plex server and then I could you know Let my parents watch it or watch it from the living room that sort of thing, right? Of course, you would never let your parents watch media that They didn't physically know I mean like in my living room hold. Yeah, they would they would come there Although it's technically that a rebroadcasting license. I have done none of these things. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking just theoretical Yeah, theoretically theoretically. Yeah in Minecraft. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking just theoretical theoretically theoretically. Yeah in Minecraft Yeah, redstoneplex server Okay, so I can see why people are kind of mad about that

Oh Am I about to hot take something again? Let's go. we need more than this dream. We only had like five or something. I Mean anymore plex pump it up plex can be a broken Product sometimes like I recently tried to use the download feature again and was like still is broken But like if you want a free version of Plex then use Jellyfin. And if you don't want the free version, like if you don't want to jump through those hoops, then I don't know that they're actually asking an entirely unreasonable amount of money for what Plex does, especially if you snag a lifetime Plex pass subscription now. So Jellyfin doesn't have like apps and things. Plex is nice

because it's got apps and stuff. Sure, then pay for it. Yeah. Like it's kind of the, like it's not like, this isn't food, it's not shelter, it's not clean drinking water. This is a luxury product that realistically, let's be real talk right now, that realistically for a lifetime pass, if you were actually paying for your media, would be covered in like six movies. Which you are. Which of course you do pay for your media. You definitely are. We all, everyone is. Um. Everybody. So just like, okay. Uh, okay maybe there's gonna be some more stuff that like gets me,

but I don't think, I don't think this gets me yet, Plex thinking you should pay for their software. Especially because I suspect an enterprising smart individual will find a way to just hit a local target and then like VLC into that remotely anyway. Like this just seems like the kind of thing where if you're clever enough, you could probably work around it. Absolutely. And like that's the thing is you're effectively- In a variety of ways. You're paying yourself, not paying for Plex to do your work around,

or you could just pay them to not do it. Like that's the whole- Do you do a video on that? No, I don't think so. Not that interesting. I just don't think it's that interesting. I think it's pretty niche. Yeah.

Okay, all right. Let's see if the next thing's gonna get me remote playback With a okay. Hold on. I don't play good for free is going away If you so if you have a plex pass for your server you and anyone with access to that server can stream remotely. Okay, or Remote playback with a remote watch pass subscription What if the server slash library that you have access to does not have a Plex pass subscription, you can pay for remote playback for yourself. It is $1.99 a month or $20 annual. This seems, this seems kind of terrifying from a like a legal liability standpoint.

horrifying from a like a legal liability standpoint. Why would Plex want anyone paying them money for access to pirate media servers? Totally paid for content storage devices. No, but actually real talk for a second here. Yeah, I know, I hear you. That seems completely crazy. And I don't use that word lately. Can they still play ignorance?

Like they don't know what's going through it, right? I mean- You're just unlocking a feature. I don't think it's particularly encrypted in any way. The only reason that that wasn't- As long as they don't log it, I still think they could feign ignorance I think Plex gets metadata. Yeah, they they do know they 100% know what's being played

So I've been wondering honestly for a very long time how Plex hasn't gotten owned It has made no sense to me for a very very content Yeah, but again the whole thing you explained the metadata thing to me years ago. But if they're relaying it. Is this actually relay though? I don't think it says relay. Well, if the person, so here's a hypothetical scenario. Guys, correct me if I'm wrong here,

but what it sounds like to me is if this is my Plex server and I do not own a Plex pass because I just use it at home and I don't care or I have my janky set up You know to remotely access it or whatever, right? Okay. I'm using parsec on my phone or honestly a Wild range of other services any number of different things. Okay, so this is my this is my Plex server I don't pay for Plex pass because I don't want to give anybody any money But I also don't want to set up jellyfin for whatever reason. Okay. You, that's your computer. That's Luke's computer.

Yep. Beautiful. Lovely computer. It's even the right color. LTTstore.com. You want to access my server remotely, but I've told you that if you want me to set up my janky solution, then you're responsible for keeping it working because f*** you, I'm not going to fix it for you every week. And you say, oh, actually, that sounds like a lot of work, but I definitely want to access your high quality Blu-ray rips.

So I'm going to buy this $2 a month remote watch, what's it called? Remote watch pass. On what planet? Okay, right, right, right. Let's say that as part of my, even though I can set up my janky remote watch system for myself, I for whatever reason can't configure port forwarding or I don't want to. I don't want to open a port and I'm not gonna go set up tail scale or whatever. So I effectively have my firewall up.

If you access it, wouldn't that go through Plexus Relay? Which they know because of the metadata of the file, including the file name, like that's in Plexus Store. But are they, they're storing it though. No, they're not storing it. They're just relaying it. Yeah. So they could have a government agency get them to start sniffing it.

But if they're not storing it, like this is the whole thing with VPNs, right? No logs? Sure. If they don't store it, if they're not logging it. Risen from whatever says, Plexis does not man in the middle of the content. Is that true? I have no idea. I know very well. Because if it's not encrypted, and there's no way that they would like encrypt it if they didn't have to because it would just add burden on both sides. And the only like my understanding was the only reason that it didn't have to be encrypted was because there's no one to kind of send a DMCA to, right? Like if you download through your, oh yeah, I know your, yeah, I would go through your ISP or whatever. Yeah, what does

that stream look like? It is an encrypted tunnel. Okay, so it's an encrypted tunnel. Okay, so then maybe they can play dumb then. Okay, okay, okay. All right. However, however, I know for a fact that the Plex app does does is capable of logging, like user actions, and I know for a fact that the server is capable of logging, can they really feign ignorance? Because I know Plex can get access to those logs. Although I'm trying to think, because I have gotten support from them in the past,

and I did have to send them stuff once we got past a certain level. So is it possible that they are simply just simply not logging the metadata? Yeah, I'm sure. On purpose. But are they gonna have the same level of like plausible deniability

when the user is effectively subscribing? It literally is called remote watch pass. They literally have a subscription to watch the content that is What if it's home videos they don't know Plex doesn't know they know But they don't legally know as far as my understanding goes I assume it has to be that way or else they would just be deleted Oh risen from the ashes goes Plex absolutely has the metadata because they have the community friends feature that's tracking what you and your friends

watch and it even syncs between devices. No, they 100% have it. They even have a Plex movie database that automatically identifies your home movies. Yeah. Every once in a while I have a very- How do they still exist then? This has been, I haven't understood this for so many years. How do they still exist then? This has been, I haven't understood this for so many years. How is there a notably like sizable company in this arena that has been able to survive? Plex is also known for shutting down the Yarmady Plex library subscription services that people kind of homebrew.

So this just seems like them like taking out the middleman and creating an environment where people can subscribe to, dude, how is this a thing? I don't know, but I don't understand how it's been a thing forever, so I don't know. Okay, Plex has no way to know if you own it or not. Yeah, but in many regions, whether you own it or not is irrelevant, because you don't have a license to rebroadcast it. So it doesn't matter. You own a license to use that disk in your disk player and watch it for yourself. That's all you own a license for. Or if you have one of those ultraviolet or UV or whatever, whatever that thing was, the digital thing that like I think got shut down so people just lost their...

Anyway, that's all you own. Abort Abort, stop talking about it. It's gonna get nuked. This seems completely insane. I don't... But to me, with the friends thing, Dan's talking about stuff like this has seemed insane For so many years. It's always been insane. I don't know. I don't understand. I've never understood how they exist I didn't host anything, but they know stuff, but they didn't host it, but it's Napster new stuff

And Napster got obliterated. No, no, hold on. No, no didn't Napster did Napster new stuff and Napster got obliterated. No, no, hold on. No, no, didn't Napster, did Napster host? I can't remember. Pirate Bay used to host and now basically all they do is magnet links. So they don't have anything but links, right? Right.

So, okay. So what's the, what's the Plex? Yeah, don't go on the Pirate Bay. So what's the Plex like analog for that? They, their app, man, I'm trying to wrap my brain around how they could possibly defend this. Because I know for a fact that part of their metadata includes like, like the actual file name, right? Like it's and it'll have stuff like, I'm trying to think of like a- But is that, is this a service that's running on your end

that's like looking up IMDB and comparing it against your file name and then making small changes, but it's not phoning back home to Plex? Because that could absolutely be a thing. This is what I assumed it was. I know the UI shows the original file name, Implex. Yeah, so it could be...

Yeah, they offer a service to match the identified video with a real title. But is that just happening on your side? Oh, they also... Because it could tap into some IMDB API or something. It also might just download occasionally, and it's just like a reference locally, as you say? No, and if you configure it, they absolutely do a video analysis of the video itself because

they can, that's how they do their intro skip feature. But is that happening locally? Yeah, that would be happening locally. Yeah. So as long as it's not phoning home, they probably don't care. This is the point that I'm saying is on a surface level, it makes no sense. How about this? What if someone had on their Plex server

a file that has simply never existed outside of a streaming platform? Then there'd be no plausible deniability. The fact that it has a metadata match for it at all means. But they don't have to log it. But they do though. They know that you and your friend accessed it. Cause they do though. They know that they know that you and your friend accessed it because they know that you access that content that would have no

legal way of existing there. So where do they know that again? I don't use this so where how do you... So like every once in a while I will fire up something that my now deceased sister watched and it'll be like activity from Emma and that was synced to me via the cloud because her account is friends with my account and we both watched that content on my server. I wonder if they have some interesting way where they've done this where like your information is stored on on your device and it gets like shared over but in a way that Plex doesn't store it like is it super live like is it is it that I don't know yeah I mean they used to have watched together I wonder if that's why watchtogethers

going away maybe I don't know that for sure even watchtogether I can think of ways that you could dev it where it doesn't have to share anything other than raw information about like timecode in the video and stuff like that like together I can think of ways that you could dev it where it doesn't have to share anything other than raw information about like time code in the video and stuff like that. Like it wouldn't have to actually share the video because like a lot of watch together services that used to work through YouTube and stuff they're not like they're not man in the middle in YouTube they're just syncing up your your time and stuff. Like it's, there are other ways to do these things. They just have to really go out of their way to do them. But I mean, it is still stunning to me that despite all of that, Plex has been able to

get away with these things. Like my opinion on that's never going to change, but I do think there are ways for them to not log any of this information. There's a way around it. It might not be the most efficient, might not be the easiest, et cetera, but it's possible for them to do it. People are asking, is it P2P? Yes, yes, generally it is. Other than when port forwarding isn't configured correctly, then it seems like they set up some kind of encrypted tunnel that would have to go through them in some way Let's see, hold on there was someone else that had a that had a good comment Steve says how do they send these monthly emails showing what my friends are watching though?

Hold on we're not actually done yet. They are removing the mobile unlock fee. I don't know, man. Playing content on a local network on the new mobile app will be free. Okay, so that's cool. Public release coming early 2025. They're also revising their terms of service and privacy policy. Mostly legal boilerplate, miscellaneous typo, grammar fixes,

and an explainer for how Plex treats universal opt-out mechanisms, but it seems like they will be selling user data, mostly focused around advertising. Updated, who does Plex share or sell personal data with to include the Plex activity that you share based on your account visibility and activity settings as well as sharing slash sale of certain personal data to third parties. They claim multiple times that they will not be collecting or selling content data. Yeah, there's a point in their TOS here. We do not and will not collect information about content or titles in your personal media

library of or what you've played. Yeah, they have to not. So when those emails go out, like are those are those being generated by you? I have no idea. It might be coming from the Plex server, but I don't have a relay set up for that. The second point after that is personal media users. We do not in all capitals and will not share or sell any information about the content and titles on or your use of a personal media server. Oh, littlejd97 says, all they would need to do is run a stun service to help connect users peer to peer.

In that case, no content goes through them. It's not a tunnel, okay. Pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft. Pfft. Man, I mean, good luck, Plex. Honestly, other than the selling of user data, you know, rug pull, super not impressed with that. I don't know if any of the other stuff seems that egregious to me in the grand scheme of

things, especially now that free open source options are so much more mature than they used to be. I could see people being really angry back when the options were like air video and this. I could see people being really upset about it as it is now, at least if you are upset about it, you absolutely have valid options that you can jump to. So I would say that would be the way to show Plex your dissatisfaction is to vote with your wallet. Or if you are committed to Plex and you don't want to learn to use anything else, I'd say now is a good time to pick up the lifetime Plex pass because the new subscription rates are not great. Not gonna lie. And I do think that the value is still there even if their functionality is pretty broken a lot of the time.

Like, I think I talked last week about how I tried to prep some episodes of a show and I tried to download a whole season and like one or two of the episodes failed and there was no way to retry just those episodes I had to delete everything I had already downloaded and then reattempt it and then that reattempt completely failed it's like okay great all right what are we doing I don't know what topic was this? Okay We can talk about this Sure, the new God of War TV series showrunner says he's not a gamer

Amazon is investing in two seasons of a new God of War show, it was greenlit in 2022, and the plot is based on the 2018 game. Original writers brought in to kickstart the writing process left in 2024, always a good sign. Ron Moore is the new showrunner and he has a lot of good experience. IMDB examples include producer on 77 episodes of Star Trek The Next Generation from 1991 to 1994, producer, showrunner on 74 episodes of Battlestar Galactica from 2004 to 2009, executive producer and producer on 85 episodes of Outlander 2014 to 2024. But he has admitted to not playing anything since the arcade days. Fans are upset and worried that he will ruin it by not respecting the source material He hasn't said anything about how faithful the adaptation will be a lot of recent adaptations have not Respected the source material a couple of examples. We have here are the wheel of time the Witcher the Rings of Power and

Halo I didn't even give the Rings of Power the time of day The Witcher stuff pissed me off the wheel of Witcher stuff pissed me off, the Wheel of Time stuff pissed me off, and the Halo stuff just straight up enraged me. I knew it. I knew the word. I knew the word that was coming. That was quite the call out, actually. I knew it. There was no way he was going to use any word other than that. That was kind of nuts. It's true though. Yeah, anyways. Now maybe this was maybe this was misreporting. It's not in our notes, but I saw something that said that he was instructed by the bigwigs to to not play the game. Oh. Is that is that true, guys?? Please let me know because I saw that he

mentioned that he like tried to play it a little bit but like ran into some quick time events and found it kind of hard. I also like I think you said this but I agree with it where it's like if he's you know if he's not really a gamer I don't think that's actually a problem but watching like a let's play or something like that I think would be fine Yeah No, apparently he tried the game and gave up says Steve Which is fine, I think which is fine

I would say that as long as you still need to absorb the material somehow Yeah Which is fine. I would say that as long as you still need to absorb the material somehow Yeah, as long as you go on twitch or YouTube and watch a let's play or something like that I don't care if the directors a gamer, but I do care that the director understands What it is so they can represent it properly like it it respectfully it enrages me when The whole reason that you paid for IP, right, is that people love the source material and then you just go like throw it in the garbage. Now that doesn't mean that there's only like one right way to do this. I mean we've

absolutely seen, we have we have absolutely seen fan showrunners just completely destroy franchises. We've seen, oh, Riley points out that non-fans can make like top franchise entries like Tony Gilroy with Andor for Star Wars. I also have a personal favorite example of a company, in this case DreamWorks, paying to license an IP, completely changing functionally everything, and it being awesome. How to Train Your Dragon is legitimately, if not my favorite movie of all time, one of my favorite movies of all time. It is

nothing like the books. And it definitely struggles. The film series does struggle as time goes on to continue to develop the story, whereas the books stay strong throughout the entire thing. Yeah. One of my examples, and I read this, I don't know a ton about it, I haven't watched the show but I read this, Invincible, apparently they have the writer working on the show, but the show does not match the comics. And the writer seems to be doing this on purpose, and the purpose seems to be like, I can do this better. Because people are like

very happy with the show. And it seems to be just like, I got a second shot at this, I can like fix some things basically. So it's like not respecting the source material, but it's being done by the writer. So, I don't know. And it seems to be better. So do-backs? And random song numbers? No. But better, right? Yeah. Did you know that in to train your dragon books? Toothless is like pocket-sized No Yeah, no idea. Yeah, that's a pretty dramatic change. Oh, dude. It's

completely different What what's her name the love interest Astrid Astrid doesn't exist. Oh That's weird. Yeah, good part of the show. Yep. Oh, yeah. No, like hundred percent. By the way, apparently he officially said that he's a better writer now, so he's making changes to the show. Dragons? Sure. They're not like at war with dragons at the start of the books. Huh. They just like, dragons are just like integrated into their life. Like every kid has a dragon. Like, they are, I don't even know why they bothered to license the IP.

Because they could have changed the names Hiccup and Toothless and like a handful of other character names and just like made a show about. And it would have been fine. Yeah, and I really don't think they would have been nailed on it. It is like, they are nothing alike. Respecting the source material doesn't mean matching it

Yeah, that's fair. I think people interpreted it that way, but I think you're also right. I think that's fair Yeah, I think that I think that's fair. Yeah, Elindi says they bought a fan base. I don't know Yeah, I guess I'd never heard of the books. I mean either I don't think the fan base was in movies and it's DreamWorks They're gonna get viewers. Yeah I hmm interesting I don't know either way that yeah it's like my favorite movie. Moving on. Yeah good luck Amazon. Microsoft Post then removes an image of the Xbox UI with Steam games included. Earlier this year, Microsoft talked about combining

the best of Xbox and Windows, and this week they briefly showed what looked like it might be that. Microsoft posted an image of new Xbox UI on multiple devices that included a Steam button, but then pulled the image down when the Verge asked about it. And Xbox chief Phil Spencer has previously hinted that PC stores like Epic Games and itch.io could one day appear on Xbox consoles.

Interesting. Now you just need to make the Xbox store on PC not horrible. That would be pretty cool. I would appreciate that Okay, I'll have to say about that neat Confirms experiment showing an ad before the home screen on Sunday March 16th Roku users noticed ads being played on startup before being taken to the home screen Complaints started popping up on the forum this occurred on both Roku TVs and streaming sticks and multiple users reported seeing an ad for Mona2. A Roku spokesperson shared a company statement confirming that this is expected behavior but not a permanent part of the Roku OS currently. They

claimed they were just trying the ad capability out. Roku did not respond when asked to comment on the community backlash, whether this would become a permanent feature, which devices are affected, or why they decided to use auto-playing ads. We have an upcoming video on a dumb TV we found. Stay tuned. Discussion question. I know Linus hates ads. If this happened on your beloved TCL, would you get rid of it for another brand? I don't know if I hate ads. I um... You don't see them. Yeah I can't really see them. Add blindness. To be clear sometimes I do see them but I also will just like maybe maybe part of it is just the ADD

because I don't really have a problem. Youested in then just be thinking about something else yeah like I'll just like brainwarp to something else for a little bit and then be peripherally aware that something's going on that is not what my interests and then I'll be back to it when like it depends how long it is if it was like if it was three seconds like if it was as long as the TCL splash screen Which I no longer have to look at then I don't think it would really bother me But if if my TV tried to play like a like a 30 second ad every time I turned it on I think I would Probably put my foot through it for real this time. Yeah

I would just stop having a TV. I think Sorry everyone Yeah. I would just stop having a TV, I think. Sorry, everyone. This feels like a direction we have been going with TVs. It feels like it's actively getting worse and like a lot worse. Sweet and hot sounds good. I actually have no idea what the deal is with this other than that they're on set

and I've been told that I'm allowed to eat them. They're on set and you're allowed to eat them. Is that the whole thing? It seems like they got awfully prominent placement for just they're on set and I're allowed to eat them. Is that the whole thing? It seems like they got awfully prominent placement for just their onset and I'm allowed to eat them Is it like do we need to do we need to like disclose anything here? I would really dramatically prefer we were informed of these things. But anyways Windows update uninstalled copilot and users rejoice mandatory Mandatory update, I'm gonna say the whole thing, it's in the, I'm gonna say it. KB5053598 released on March 11th

has proven to be a major headache for Microsoft with Windows users reporting installation feature failures, RDP disconnects, and even blue screens on Windows 1124H2. But to some users delight, it's also removing Copilot from some machines and even unpinning it from the taskbar. Also impacted are Windows 11 23H2, 22H2, and even Windows 10 22H2 and 21H2. A Microsoft support document states that they're aware of the issue and working on a resolution. The Windows 11 subreddit seems to be pretty happy about the bug,

calling it the best update for Microsoft in a long time and praising Microsoft for fixing their own bloat. Windows 10 is coming up on its like, EOL. Oh, yeah, sure is. Isn't that crazy? Yep. And I think we're planning some content. I think I was, oh man, I'm gonna forget what it was, but I came across a headline recently that some game or something runs better on Windows 10 than Windows 11, like still after all this time. Not surprised. Man, when we do our customary, you know,

hey, is it good that this is going away? Cause we've kind of done that for Windows 7, Windows 8. We've kind of looked back on them. Windows 11 is a bit of a rough ship. Windows 10 really does seem like it was a high point, hey? Like I don't personally have day-to-day issues with Windows 11, personally. It doesn't get in my way.

Usability-wise, I don't mind it. One of my problems is compatibility stuff. Like the deprecation of Windows 10 will force some people to either have unsecured systems or buy a new computer. And I think this is like the first time in a very long time that that's been true. So that's been true. So that's rough.

A lot of the world, it's very hard to just buy a new computer and Windows 10 computers for the most part, by that time can do the vast majority of things people need to do on computers. Can even play a lot of modern games. Okay. Just fine. Hear me out. Does this drive a Linux migration?

Maybe, genuinely. Like if SteamOS capitalizes on this. Oh yeah. Yeah, because they're still not out, right? Not out yet. But they're planning on it. I mean, it's already, I believe the beta version now supports other handhelds.

I don't think we're fully at, you know, Valve saying, yep, here's SteamOS, install it on your computer and plug your monitor in and just use it as a computer. We're not there yet. But they've telegraphed that it's coming. It's coming eventually. The year of the Linux desktop might be... The death of Windows 10. The year of Windows desktop, or sorry, Linux desktop might not be brought in by Linux. It might be brought in by Microsoft shooting themselves. Sure, I mean yeah, why not right? It seems

reasonable to me because like people are gonna start getting crazy warnings on their systems that they have to upgrade to Windows 11 and Then they'll check and their system will say that they are not compatible and they cannot upgrade and a lot of people aren't gonna Want to buy a new computer? Because like again, these things are fine. If you do like basic photo editing basic video editing Text stuff web browsing your computer back from Windows 10 era is for sure still okay. Are we gonna end up with another XP situation where Microsoft kicks the can down the road because they realize that the users just aren't gonna get on board

with it and there's gonna be a whole bunch of unsecured systems out there. I mean there absolutely will be if they do this. Yeah, there are 100% will be because people are not just gonna replace working computers until they run into like, they go to install Chrome or they go to install Steam. Like Steam dropped support for Windows Vista not that long ago. So it's gonna be a long time

before just the applications you absolutely must use every day start not working on your Windows 10 system, but that will happen. Didn't we say the same thing for the Windows 7 to Windows 10 deadline? I don't think so. We certainly didn't say anything about SteamOS. SteamOS didn't exist yet at that point. And I mean, there are a surprising amount of people still running Windows 7. So if that's what we were saying, then yeah, I mean mean it's still a thing.

That's wild dude. I mean I'm rooting for them. I'm rooting for Linux. I'm not ready to daily it as long as just there's anti-cheat issues and compatibility issues and whatever else but I'm so rooting for it. When SteamOS is installable I want to try it. It is installable. You can install it today. On your desktop? Oh, I didn't know that. We did a video recently. Oh. Yeah, tell me you don't watch LTT without telling me you don't watch LTT. I watch some of it, okay? I know you do. Yeah, Jordan. Jordan installed it, and you know what? Your system won't work. You have to use a radio and GPU. Oh. Yeah. So yeah so like no it's not it's not ready yet the installer needs some work you it does not support

installing with more than one drive in the system it just automatically wipes and because it's it's like a it's like a system restore image effectively it's for the steam very designed for the steam yes absolutely that makes sense so give it time give it time But I think it's gonna happen We've got some we've got some more stuff. Oh big screen beyond 2 and 2e launch kind of a big deal I This has been killing me. I've had mine for two weeks. I have not touched it Because I have been traveling I

Could have traveled virtually Would you have what do you do that on plane? Oh? No, it's PC VR. Oh Tether outside in yes, sir. Yes, sir. I am very excited Adam was telling me about it today. I am I am actually very very stoked How much are they it brings an overhaul to the optics that increases the field of view from 102 to 116 degrees Increases brightness increases the sweet spot reduces lens glare adds adjustable Interpupillary distance using a little tool adds new headgear in a universal face Gasket has clear and translucent orange colors and the 2e gets eye tracking. It has translucent orange? And they somehow

made it even lighter. Oh, it does have translucent orange. No way. I'm glad I procrastinated on the first one. It is down to a hundred seven grams down from 127. Dude, they made one for you. So even... nice. Look, look. That really does look like a M if you get one it'll match your reversible bomber which you can get right now on LTD store look at dad let's go look at him go even if you add the audio strap which which that picture I was showing you guys had the whole thing is just 272 grams that's just over half the weight of a quest 3 Adam has has some usage impressions. He says,

I only used it for roughly an hour so far, but the improvements to the optics are massive. Improved FOV is awesome. Reduction in flare and chromatic aberration was notable, even without a side-by-side comparison. Bummed about the lack of improvement to DisplayPort. We're still stuck with 75 or 90 hertz with DSC, but not sure if that's the limitation of the USB standard, haven't looked into anything at all yet. So these are very preliminary. And it seems that these new features have made many enthusiasts pull out their wallet because BigScreen says they've sold more of the Beyond 2 in the first day than they did

in the first six months with the original. Pig screen apparently sent us some desk pads that they made using the oh what oh lordy using what yeah yeah yeah oh I wanted it so bad I wanted it so bad. This is the scan for the custom fit gasket, which does still exist even though they have a universal one now. Oh my goodness. I kind of want one of these. Incredible.

I want one too. They should sell that on the store. You should do a collaboration. I meant the headset. Discussion question here is how stoked are you about this and are we going to do a video? Very stoked and we're absolutely going to do a video. Both Adam and I will be playing with it and contributing to our review. What? They sell a can that you can store it in and it looks like a pop can? That's pretty cool.

That's hilarious. I mean. I don't know why I like that so much. Yeah, I don't know what I would use that for. I mean, it's like a tethered setup. So unless it also holds my lighthouses. Oh no, I'm assuming so it like protects it because it's really light and somewhat fragile, isn't it? I mean, anything with sensitive optics is gonna be fragile at least to a degree.

So yeah, I can understand someone wanting to use it as like a way to protect it. All right. What else we got? You were really excited to talk about GTC. Oh. I didn't go. Do you know that? No. I went to GDC, which happens one hour away at the exact same time and nothing happened. Nothing happened at all. Oh, bummer. Well, you shouldn't have done that then. Nothing was announced there. Nothing happened there.

I thought you went to GTC. We went to go to the actual GDC event, not just the Nvidia side thing. We didn't even have the right badges. The badges that we had didn't gain us access until after we flew away. So we went to one thing and there was literally nothing there and we went to oh but there's that side event we can go to we'll go check that out too and there was literally nothing there either. I was talking to Wendell the whole time I was like hey oh do you want to meet up sometime and he's like yeah I'm like going here. I was like cool that's not where I am I am.

And then I was like, oh, we must be here. Cause you know, there's nothing happened on down there. And they were like, oh yeah, it's just enterprise stuff. And then they launched, I understand it is an enterprise GPU, but they launched a 96 gig VRAM GPU. That's crazy. I would have covered that. 400 to 600 Watts TDP. I was in the wrong place!

There's a slimmer Max-Q variant from the TGQ builds. Why was I at GDC? All the cool stuff happened at GTC. Man, how much is this thing gonna cost? I think like... RTX Pro 6000. Why didn't they just keep the Quadro name? 15 grand at least. Because they just called it Quadro RTX and then we would've all known what we're talking about. Anyway.

Anyway, there's a Flowplane video going over probably one of the least successful trips I've ever been on if you want to see it cool. It's there. Speaking of Wendell I'm reading a book that he recommended to me. It's salt sugar fat sugar salt fat, whatever it's called It's those three ingredients and it's basically about how the food industry throughout the 90s Just like before like one of the biggest scams in the world basically just like no not not the food Oh, it's way. Oh, dude. It's way more insidious than that. It's like way worse It's bad though. Yeah, I'm like a quarter of the way through it. I'm like Oh, so like is this what spurred like your like massive weight loss program and everything cuz he's looking he's looking pretty fly

Yeah, I didn't actually ask him if that's what spurred it, and that's just speculation, but it's very eye-opening. Yeah. Can you explain what GTC and GDC are and their differences? Yeah, sure. They're one hour away from each other. One of them is in San Francisco, one of them is in San Jose.

GDC, they have the same first letter, same last letter, and an extremely similar sounding middle letter GDC is game developers conference GTC is graphics technology conference They're completely different things. We were brought to GDC and show nothing and Things happened at GTC and we weren't there. It was very cool. Yes, it was great. Also at GTC, the Project Digits Mini PC is now the DGX Spark with a Founders Edition or OEM versions from Asus, Dell and HP. Compact power-efficient form factor, GB10 chip with a thousand AI tops, Blackwell architecture, 128 gigabytes of unified memory

for up to 200 billion parameters, and a pre-installed AI software stack. You can connect two together to work with models up to 405 billion parameters. Very cool. And also- It gains five billion parameters. Also, they announced GDGX Station,

a desktop-sized motherboard with a new Blackwell Ultra GB300. So it's kind of like a beefed up version of Spark. It has a GB300 Grace Blackwell Ultra Desktop Superchip, up to 784 gigs of coherent memory. So if you can afford it, this will be a serious blow to the Mac mini that everyone's just basically, or Mac mini, excuse me, the Mac Studio that everyone's using for AI right now. Has a Kinect S8 SuperNIC for up to 800 gigabit per second.

NVLink C2C, I guess that's chip to chip, for high bandwidth data transfer between processors and accelerators. And Nvidia's DGX OS and AI software stack Pretty cool. That's nuts. Also Bell trick says coherent memory Memory coherency, I'm trying to remember exactly what that means See like I could I could I could talk about this stuff if we were there that would be cool Oh, I mean sweet. Yeah, that would have been super cool. All right. I

Don't want to explain memory coherency without looking at first there. It's been a little while but basically Basically, I want to do this. I'm gonna do it anyways. Yeah Just don't do it sure fine You're just gonna get a. Basically means better performance. There. Good. Yep. Vera CPU will be in videos first with fully custom ARM cores instead of off the shelf core designs. Vera CPU has 88 custom ARM cores, 176 threads, combines with Rubin GPU for, I thought I said very at first, I said very Rubin. Vera Rubin 2026, two GPUs, 50pf FP4, 288 gigabytes of HBM4, yoiks, crazy time.

Yeah, so in a nutshell, better performance across multiple processors. This stuff is all very expensive. Do we have pricing? No, but I promise you, every single thing announced down there is going to be like very premium. Didn't they say spark was going to be like a few grand or something like that? I think so. If spark's a few grand, then DGX station is going to be like over. Over ten so. And people are gonna buy it for sure. 100%. 100%. For sure. I mean we picked up one of the new Mac studios with the the top memory configuration

because Nick from the lab said they would use it so I was like we need one for a review anyway so I guess let's. We will definitely use it. Let's do it. Yep. I mean that was like nine grand or something like that. So there'd be no reason for Nvidia to price anything below that, that's for sure. No, yeah. Okay, is that it for topics? Oh no!

Pebble Founders New Company releases Core 2 Duo. Love the name. Why are people upset about this? Some people are upset about this. Oh, I think it's dumb. His new company... Wait, the name or the product? Some people are upset Love the name. Really? Why are people upset about this? Some people are upset about this. Oh, I think it's dumb. Wait, the name or the product? The name. Some people are upset about the product, I mean, not the name.

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, no, I'm not upset about the product. Anyway, the new company is called Core Devices, and he's opened pre-orders for two new Pebble OS devices. The Core Time 2 with a 1.5-inch color ePaper touchscreen and the Core 2 Duo, a 1.2-inch black and white ePaper screen, prices start at $149. The Core 2 Duo name explains the whole idea, says founder Eric Midjikowski.

It's like a Pebble 2, but it's made by Core Devices. And then Duo is for DoOver. Okay, it's expected to start shipping in July of this year with the Core Time 2 slated to follow in December. The Pebble founder also made a long blog post detailing how Apple users will experience less functionality and lays responsibility solely on Apple who restricts third-party watches for security reasons. For example, third-party watches cannot send texts or iMessages, take actions on notifications, detect if you are using your phone. Midgetkowski suggests contacting your elected representatives to support

relevant legislation if you want to see proper iPhone support in the future. Our discussion question here is, are you ready to give up your iPhone for a better pebble experience? Yes. I'm gonna daily it. 100%. I'm so ready. I'm not surprised. I'm super ready. Yeah. I want the color one though. Like I had a pebble time like a thousand years ago that I color display I'm not gonna go back to a black and white. It's like the black and white one cheaper Yeah The black and white one came out first like originally. No, I mean out of the new one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's cheaper Yeah, so that makes like I mean you have to get the cheaper one. I can say the color one

I don't think it necessarily doesn't have market fit just might might not be for you. Oh yeah, no, no. Yeah, if it's super affordable, then that's cool. If people just want a minimalist thing, like that was the whole idea, like back in the day. Yeah. Here, let's go ahead and I want to see it though. Do they look any good? Yeah. Oh yeah, cool. Okay. Yeah, sure. Good. Good. Got some buttons. Nice, chunky buttons. I like my chunky buttons. Buttons I can press with gloves. I love to see it. This these having nice good chunky actual buttons makes me actually want one and I don't want smartwatches and I'm I mean I'm not gonna get one because I would lose it in two days, but I really like the buttons. Nice. Happy Okay

Is it after dark time? There is one. I just don't think I care. Cool. Nice. Then yes. Neat. Let's go. He's doing it. Let's watch him do it. It's a retro future.

He's not doing anything. Wow. Oh. Oh, got him. We got owned. We got owned pretty bad there actually. Dang. Dang. It does nothing. Dang.

These guys. Dang. Hi, WAN.DLL. All right. Normally I pre-loaded, but you skipped the last topic, so I was behind, I'm sorry. Hi, WAN.DLL. I know Luke has been, has played FTL but have you played multiverse?

The best thing in PC gaming are those mods that keep adding gameplay. Oh FTL multiverse the mod, yes I have, yeah. It seems really cool. I wasn't way too into it. I don't know if it's configurable, maybe it's configurable. I find sometimes with mods, they kind of do too much. And I felt that way with multiverse personally. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from trying it. It's very cool. I'm happy that I did try it, but it was just kind of a lot. Like I installed it and jumped in and was like, whoa, where'd my game go? You know, like that wasn't really what I was looking for. But it's a pretty wild mod. I'm happy someone made it.

I'm happy people enjoy it. It's just, I don't know. I liked it. How was it? You're getting called out for ending your segments with, I don't know. I Liked I liked it. No, it wasn't you're getting called out for ending your segments with I don't know by the way Yeah, I saw that and I'm gonna keep doing it because it's my it's my insurance against people that go after you Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I can kind of see that but also I don't know. I don't know Everyone's way too serious about Everything these days Everyone's way too serious about f***ing everything these days. That if you say something,

they have automatically decided that you will die on the hill for what you just said. And it's like, no, this is a four hour thing where I like 25% care about whatever I'm saying at any given time. Like, this is not- He only has one hour of care. Like the original WAN show was about an hour.

Yeah. And we've taken that exact same amount of care and extrapolated over four hours Yeah, like no leave me alone. So I'll say something and then just be like, I don't know just like leave me alone We've got the same amount of margarine. Okay We got four pieces of toast and it's still not butter He's awake now he's doing it but this is just like a man like I don't, I could replace it with, but I don't care. But they're not gonna like that as much, so it's, I don't know. Look guys, we never cosplayed as journalists, so. But it's just like, seriously, it's a, it's a like, leave me the F alone disclaimer that I put on the end of things.

It's a, it's a like, leave me the eff alone disclaimer that I put on the end of things. I'm not like actually that uncertain about so many things. I just, I don't care. I think you should speak with more conviction. I don't know. But, but I don't know. But I don't know. Well, you do your own thing. I don't know.

And like, I don't even disagree with you. I just, I don't care. It's a WAN show. I don't want to deal with some thing. I don't care it's a WAN show I don't want to deal with some thing I don't know I maybe I should maybe I should have added to the placebo conversation we had a few weeks ago I don't know maybe I didn't and that's why we ended up in crap hold on I'm being called a bastard by one of our regular commenters in the plane jet dyslexic stoner 240 oh dyslexic stoner 240 oh

This Lexix donor 240 says this is fucking entertainment you guys don't do anything stupid like call yourselves journalists And this that But okay, but you know what I think you actually said it before I said it so I think he wins good work You got you you wait, but yeah like that that placebo thing Maybe I didn't add the I don't know to the end of it Yeah, you should like why are you listening to some tech podcasts and like blindly taking medical advice? Here's a question is this is this even a tech podcast not really I think the tech is more the carrier. Yeah It's the bread for the peanut butter and jam yeah, and it's Wonder Bread It's the bread for the peanut butter and jam. Yeah, and it's Wonder bread

Sometimes hey look it's really sometimes you get an artisanal sourdough Sometimes we have some meat sometimes we have some tech meat sure okay sometimes we have other meat The point the point is The point the point is I don't think that's actually why people tune into The WAN Show. No, I guarantee you it's not. Cause like, we have had off the air conversations many times where I expressed kind of my disbelief that The WAN Show is our lowest production value property that we probably didn't have one bread slice worth

of cares to spread over it back when it was an hour long. Yeah. But people tuned into it, and it was him that finally kind of convinced me that it had a value and that was just like... hanging out and kind of talking about tech. Yeah. Sometimes, but also not.

Maybe we can talk about other things. Because I don't think I have any friends in my life, or anyone that I have a relationship with, that I would want to talk to about the exact same thing every time I talk to Them yeah, and so it took me a long time to kind of figure out why the land show works It's because of Dan He frantically pressed I think backspace at the same time Like the loud inputs you've had all night. No that was just me shaking my head violently. Oh, that was just the head. Okay. Yeah But yeah, that's kind of you guys yeah, it's because off

That's why I say I don't know. That's why that is entirely why it's cuz I'm just tired No, that's why. That is entirely why. It's because I'm just tired of it. I've told people before after every WAN show, and I'm going to keep doing it and I don't care. And if you want to abuse it, do it. I don't care. I'm going to keep doing it. I control F for my name and I look for stuff. And some people use that and they'll just say my name like four times and be like, sorry, I just wanted to like get this message. Sure. Say his name. I'm not going to respond to all of them, but I'll do that cuz I'm not gonna read every comment oh my god but I'll look for some of them because if something's like important I do want to fix it I feel called out right now but I need to say I don't know he didn't even

say I don't know so that was full conviction now we're gonna know he's got to tell now we'll know when he adamantly believes something. I'm writing a rant post right now about the brewing animosity between these two. If he's all like... If you were to get a floor planche at home. Yeah, so then there was this one time when Linus's narcissistic behavior was on full display... And he just leaves it right there. And there's no, I don't know... I don't know.

Then I would feel something if I wasn't such a sociopath. Then I would feel something if I wasn't such a sociopath. Dan, do you want to give us another merch message? But yeah, I hate when I do that and I find stuff that's like a correction on something that just like deeply doesn't matter. And like actually, this part has shown through sometimes. Because somewhat like I'll say something and then I correct myself and then Float Plane corrects me, and then I'm like, yeah, I know, and I correct it again. And then people just keep poking, and people will see that I, like, get really annoyed by it, and there will be comments being like, oh, you shouldn't let that get under your skin so much. And I'm like, yeah, the problem is, because I deal with this constantly, and I deal with this probably, like, 2% as much as he does, so I don't know how he deals, I almost swore again, I don't know how he deals with it. So it's just like-

Your mom watches this show, you gotta watch your time. Yeah, I do. Um, but it's like, it's, ah man. And like, issuing corrections, good. Wouldn't they matter? Yeah, and I think this correction mattered. Which one? Are we talking about the one today? Which one?

Oh, okay. Oh, no, that one mattered, sure. Oh, okay, yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm just talking more universally. Like, I don't know. Sometimes it's just like, guys, get off the internet for a second, maybe. Amaria has a proposal.

It's not that deep. You could just do a blanket, I don't know, at the end of the show. Like, I don't know, bye. Oh, that's not a bad idea. It's not bad. That's not bad. It would be a nice in would be a nice in in joke for the

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Oh my god. Oh wow. Okay. Okay, Dan, hit me. Hey, bad cholesterol. Question for Luke. I don't know. As a machine learning researcher, I was surprised that you said you'd never used Mac OS, since most people I know in the field use that or Linux.

Why? I just don't like it. It, um... And I mean, the Mac minis and stuff are like amazing. And by never use, see this is, this person's great, but this is my point. By never use, I didn't mean literally never use. I meant I've never like mainlined it. Like I've used it.

I have used it. I just mean it's not like running on any of the computers that I daily. That's what I meant by that. And it never has. I've never daily'd a Apple operating system. And that's what I meant by that. So you're not going after this person, but this is what I mean by when I had, I don't know. It's just the like, there's probably 17 different ways to interpret what I just said and most of them are wrong. You'd be a terrible witness. Terrible. Where were you on the night of January 32nd? I was probably at home doing whatever but I don't know. Yeah. You are going to jail. You just said January 32nd. You are going to jail.

Because I actually know exactly where I was on January 31st. Accurately. I know for sure. Did I say January 32nd? I think you said 32nd. Am I wrong? Well, it's January 32nd somewhere. I just crossed time zones. Apparently you did, but I don't know. Cool. We'd have to watch the tape back. It's amazing that I was functional. You flashed it. Maybe I'll just turn these into buttons for you guys. Having a narcissist button for life would be hilarious.

So Luke, you got a narcissist button and Linus does not know that. That would genuinely be so good. Oh my God. Oh no. What are we even saying? Oh yeah, so I like I've used it. I just, I don't know, something about, I've told this story before too.

My mom had an Android phone for a long time. My mom had an Android phone for a long time. My mom had an Android phone for a long time. And she struggled with it forever. And then she got an iPhone because she needed to because she was working in the film industry and they use like AirDrop and a lot of things like that. And within a day, she was way better with her iPhone than she ever was with her Android.

It just clicked. I'm the opposite of that. I find the iPhone just clunky and unintuitive. Yeah, and that is similar to me with Mac OS. It just doesn't feel right. Something feels wrong. I find Linux easier to use than Mac OS. I'm not saying that's right. It just feels that weird to me. I think a big part of the issue for me is just the slowness of the animations. That feels really weird. I had to use a... I think you mentioned part of the issue for me is just the slowness of the animations. That feels really weird. I had to use a, I think you mentioned it in your review, but I had to backspace on something

recently. A MacBook. Oh, hold it down. It just takes a thousand years. Speaking of never using Mac OS, I used a MacBook while I was on my trip because I had to write a script on one. And yeah, I went to backspace and I was just like, what's happening? Like is the computer lagging out?

Like why is it so slow? That's just so weird. I don't know. I'm sure there's some app that you can download that will fix it for you. Yeah, I don't know. And I'm not dogging on Mac OS. A bunch of people love it and that's great.

I genuinely have no issue. I'm not, whatever. I'm just, I am very used to Windows. When I run Linux, I like running Windows Mint because it feels Windows-esque to me. I'm very used to Windows when I when I run Linux I I like running Windows mint because it feels Windows esque to me. I'm very used to it. It's intuitive to me That's all. IOS does not have a settings button in the quick settings to jump to the full settings But what they do have is the ability to bind any app so what you can do is you can

bind any app. So what you can do is you can make an app, make a settings app link in your quick settings. And then it will go through the breadcrumbs for no apparent reason, because all I want to do is access my settings and I was on my home screen before I started. So whatever. But yeah, no, that is a thing that you you can do and maybe this is me like being kind of snobby and aptly but it actually bothers me a lot that there it still bothers me that there isn't a settings one by default because the settings cog is the only thing I care to have in there and now the style doesn't match because it's in color and all the rest of them are black and white. That's so random. It doesn't it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter

Okay, I don't know whatever I test your button. Oh Oh, yeah, buddy. Oh, let's go I can't make the narcissist one right now. It's too complicated. Okay. I could. I'm sure. I have to do it manually like a pleb. Shoot, there was a, dang it, there was a thing. And sorry, I kind of, I kind of dogged on the person who left that message. It wasn't, I was just explaining that that is one of the cases where I had the, I don't know. And people can't, that person was great. People can't follow every little like aspect of everything and we don't expect that. 100%.

All I'm ever really asking for in this stuff is to not assume the worst. Yes. And that seems to be too much to ask for a lot of people. Yeah. Oh, Archivic asks, any update on the Labs lanyard? I don't, but I did send an email on my flight this very early in the morning asking for that to be followed up. I will also say with the ask not to assume the worst thing. I kind of get it because there's a lot of bad things right now. But it's just, it's a very dark life to live when

you assume that everything is bad. And I understand a lot of things are bad, but like just try to lift above that. Anyways. Okay. Few more here. Luke, I'm 14 and starting a weight loss and muscle gain journey. Not a question. I have tried this before, but can't stick to it. Any tips? What I've said in the past is that that's probably because you're leaning on motivation instead of commitment or determination or whatever else. Motivation is very temporary. You have to find a way to make yourself do it,

even when you don't want to. The only way you're ever going to be able to keep doing anything you want to do is if even when you don't want to do it, you do it anyways. Jared Sissling Like my only motivation for staying in shape is that I want to be good at badminton. Yeah. That's I want to I want my score to be higher than the person on the other side of the court. Mine is I just don't want to be broken. And when I'm, say twice as old as I am now, I still want to be able to like move around and do things. And I have a decent amount of like, problems from sports or whatever else. So I need to keep on top of it. I need to keep on top of it

now. And I can never stop. I think I had this conversation with you not that long ago, where it's like going to the gym is not like a thing for me now. Going to the... If he stops swimming, he dies. I mean, sort of though. Like I have to keep on working out for the whole rest of my life. Like, there is no, I'm just sort of into this, interested in this now. I have to go all the time forever. And it's not, it's no, it's no longer a motivation thing. It started as a motivation thing. Don't punch him in the nose. I heard him. But I had to convert it and you'll have to find some way to convert it. It can't it can't be motivation it has to be a complete unwillingness to Not do it

Yeah Dan is not a need a second on I'm gonna need a separate button does know non-negotiable Because he didn't he said that with conviction. Yeah running out of pre-made ones to overwrite. I believe in you. Discipline is a good word for it. Yeah, I don't know if I said that or not. Okay, here's fine.

But yeah, you have to, and you have to do it yourself. You said you're 14. This is cool that you're going after this now, but this is one of the, a really good time in your life to learn and to push yourself to do something without your parents pushing you, you know? I think at that point in your life, there's a lot of like, you know, you show up to every practice for the sport that you play because your parent gets you there. They get you up from whatever you're doing, they drive you, they do all this kind of stuff. Do this yourself.

Or, or find an accountability buddy. That is also a very good way to, that can also help you get over the hump of the change from motivation to discipline. Like if I ever don't feel like going to badminton, but like it's a group of 12 people or whatever. They expect you to be there. We booked two courts.

So if I don't show up, everyone else is gonna pay 8% more for the session and the numbers are gonna be odd. So if I don't show up, everyone else is going to pay 8% more for the session and the numbers are going to be odd. So the rotations are going to be off. Yeah. So find like a workout buddy or even, I had one remote for a while who was a buddy I knew online and we had a check-in. And I don't need this anymore. I have the discipline now. I go all the time. But we had a check-in where you had to take a picture at the gym. It didn't have to be a nice picture. It could be a picture of the floor mats. It didn't even have to be a view, but you had to check in. I'm here. It had to be a unique picture every time.

You have the metadata. It was taken, you know, like you know it's real. And they send you them back and you just, you check in with each other and make sure that you're actually doing it. There's, there's a multiple ways to do that. You might even be able to find one like through the LTT community somehow or something like that. I don't know. But there's... Oh, they do the same thing.

See, the reason why I said I don't know there is like, oh, they're 14. Maybe they shouldn't be... I don't know. I'm not sure. But all I'm saying is just try to... You'll gain a ton from this if you... No, see, I know now. I'm being confident now.

You'll gain a ton from this if you do it under your own volition and not as a ton from this if you... No, see, I know now. I'm being confident now. You'll gain a ton from this if you do it under your own volition and not as a drive from your parents. I think that'd be really good. Yeah, super cool. I'm glad you're thinking about it. You're gonna do more than think about it. Let's go. Yeah, hell yeah. Keep it up. Darn. Okay, well, let's see. Hi Wanda DLL. Linus, if you had destroyed the 5090 in the Power Connector video, what would you have done? Would you have published the video anyway? No, I don't think there would have been anything to really say. The story arc was... There was no arcing.

The story was, we've got this thing that has a fundamentally flawed connector on it. What would have prevented them from just having an XT connector on either end? And obviously we didn't put an XT connector on the power supply because we weren't going to go advocating for people opening up power supplies any more than we already have in the past. So we just, you know, turned the cable into the connector that we needed with a very secure attachment of the past. So we just, you know, turned the cable into the connector that we needed with a very secure attachment of the man. I couldn't believe the war that started over soldering versus crimping connectors. Guys, that was just banter on set. Like, chill. It's all

good. Anyway, the point is, the whole idea was, hey, would an alternate connector that doesn't have, that isn't so close to the edge, would an alternate connector that doesn't have these kind of fundamental flaws in the design where everything gets combined into one, where you just have one big conductor, one big connector that mates really securely, would that just work fine?

And could we have just done that in the first place? And it was more meant to be kind of amusing slash comical. It was supposed to be kind of like a top gear solution, not a real solution. So without, it's kind of like asking if their, you know, if their DIY electric car hadn't run, would they have published that episode? No, I think that you just keep going

until the DIY car runs. I think we would have cut up another card, which hadn't cleared with anybody yet. But that would have been what the executive decision would have ultimately been after the team discussed it. There was at least one person in the labs that was like, not excited about all that. Nick? Because we have a limited amount of 5090s. Is. Sorry, Nick. And we need like a lot more. Sorry, Nick. By the way. Sorry, Nick. Like so many more. My apologies to Nick. We're talking about expanding the benches. We have more test benches. Look, how do I say this without it

reflecting poorly on previous leadership? You say, say I don't know afterwards, right? Okay here hold on a second I could just move it I never once Denied a request for equipment to any previous management Oh, he's putting himself over Oh my goodness. Yeah, I didn't think it would get denied, which is kind of how I reassured him. We'll get more. If they need something, we'll get it for them, of course.

Right now it just sucks because I don't want to pay a bunch of scalpers. So I want to buy the cards like legitimately, and that's just hard to do right now. Like the whole thing, Linus is cheap and won't spend money on his business thing or whatever came out of the the bill at labs thing Right, which never had anything to do with the dollar value that dollar value was just a number I threw out

Yeah, and my whole place an expense my whole point was that it just wasn't the point Yeah, it's just and worded in a way. I get it. You had the you had to add the thing Yeah, but it's not on my side right now. Yeah. OK, move it over here. Yeah, there you go. OK, there you go. So my whole thing there was just that you're basically asking me for the fuel economy of a concept car that is upside where the driver's seat is upside down. Who cares?

Nice. It was not going to impact, ultimately, anyone's decision to buy this product. It was not going to impact ultimately anyone's decision to buy this product. It was not going to impact its viability in the market. And I ended up being right. That product got one limited production run and was never restocked once. It's not a real product. It was never a real product.

They didn't seem to know that. But they figured it out eventually. It's not a real product. It has no viable market and I understand why people were upset at what they felt was a lack of due diligence But my point always was even if it performs exactly like the manufacturer says I hear it's just though It's not relevant. You worded it. I know yeah, no cuz the way I worded it was I'm not gonna spend some dollar value

I forget what it was, on testing this thing, when it doesn't matter. Yeah. And people latched onto that dollar value, as though that was the thing that mattered. Bad wording. I spend $500 on this business without even, in fact, without even approving it.

Like, what's your manager approval limit? It's actually like I Think it's low What is it? 2000? Yeah, so literally there's a funny loophole though literally. I don't even have this I do know Literally, I do not even have to be involved in a decision to spend $500 I literally won't even know. It is utterly meaningless. The point. Taryn doesn't even have to be involved. The point of that amount of money, the point of me throwing out that amount was to demonstrate

that I wouldn't spend anything to test it. It wasn't about the value. It wasn't about that at all. It wasn't about the money. You know that I've had to seek approval to save money before? Because we had, there was a monthly subscription and I was like, we could move it to the yearly subscription and we'll save like 20% or something. But by moving it to the yearly subscription, it went above your approval limit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That actually does make sense. Because from a cash flow standpoint, in a business that was like, managed on the edge, I just think it's funny. We're not, we can afford them an annual subscription. And we typically tend to do that. I just think it's funny.

Okay. I also think it's funny that I sometimes have to like waste Terrence time by asking for approval to like buy power supplies for a channel that has to test power supplies all the time. Oh yeah, why do you have to do that? Because it's sometimes we buy a batch of power supplies that's more than two grand. Got it. Okay, yeah, fine, yeah. It's fine. Is there anyone other than Taryn that can approve more than two grand? I don't think so. I mean, I don't know. I'm not on accounting or whatever, but I don't think so. I mean I don't know. I'm not not on accounting or whatever but I don't think so. And did that process this week? Hmm? I believe it's Linus of on end, Taryn. Oh yeah, I mean that makes sense. What's my limit? I was gonna say do you have to ask yourself what happens in

that scenario? I don't know. I want to know what my approval limit is. If you tell me I'll put it in our system like right now and then automate that. Yeah, cause he, the, oh man, I'm so excited for that man. I'm so excited. I don't wanna use a stupid form thing anymore. I was gushing about it to Sammy. We did the Dan Daly's thing and I ended up talking

about it for 20 minutes and he's like, this should be another video. Can you shut up? So good. Yeah. Hey man. Hey boss, you're live on the WAN show. Hi. Oh, hi. boss, you're live on the WAN show. Hi.

Oh, hi. Hi, how's it going? Yeah, so I, do you have like 30 seconds? Of course. Yeah, so. Yeah, I shouldn't say. I don't know. So.

How was the trip? Yeah, trip was good, trip was good. So, Luke was mentioning that his approval limit for purchases is two grand. And I was wondering mentioning that his approval limit for purchases is two grand and I was wondering what's my approval limit like at what point at what point do I have to like talk to someone when we're buying something? Do you ignore the approval limit that we have? So I find I'll step out with the fact. Got it. Okay but I think based on my question, we could probably conclude that that was out

of ignorance, not malice, right? It's out of ignorance, not malice. Basically, you know, the ongoing theme that we have is we just need to communicate better as a company. So ultimately, you send the final checks and the final numbers and everything else. So, yolo, right? We just need to make sure that we're talking on a regular basis, just so that everybody's on the same page and doing what's going on.

Okay, cool. Yeah, thank you very much. Thanks, boss. Thank you. Okay, bye. Okay, bye. That was a really good answer. So basically, you don't have an approval limit, just everyone has to work around you Okay, I mean that's the way it's always been Yeah

You can tell it just like doesn't bother him He's like, eh, he used to it Well he knew what he signed up for Yeah I mean he's known me for It's a very good answer to be honest Dude, I've known Taryn for almost 20 years That makes sense

That's crazy Makes sense I've known Taryn for almost 20 years. That makes sense. That's crazy. Make sense Yeah, so like I mean he that's over half of yours He was working as a senior in my department where I was a junior When I would literally like not come into work because it snowed thinking that work had like a snow day like to give to give you some idea of the level of of Greenness that I had when I when I when I joined the industry when I joined the workforce Essentially Taryn was there and then he was my boss a couple years later. It's what's that a

Guy killer or whatever. What's that like insurance company? years later. What's that a Geico or whatever? What's that like insurance company? So-and-so was there? Oh yeah I'm not sure. But like yeah like he he he saw me at my very worst like had to had to give me like dressings down back when I would make egregious mistakes of errors of judgment or whatever else. So yeah like I said he knew he knew what he signed up for. I'm still me, I just run a company now and I have a lot more experience. But I tend to be kind of a big picture guy. We did this management, we had some consultants come in and do like this kind of management course. And I found out what I've known my whole life, which is that I am a red personality type, which is that I am not

overly concerned with details that I consider to be unimportant relative to making progress on the bigger picture objective. I was a rare Pokemon. I was a red blue. You were a red blue. Yeah, okay. Do you guys know that? Is this personality colors like a standardized thing? Eh, somewhat. It's business Myers breaks, basically. Yeah, okay. Do you guys do you guys know that is this is this personality colors like a standardized thing somewhat?

It's business Myers breaks basically yeah, yeah, yeah here. We go hold on Okay Yeah, I told you that without an expensive consultant if I remember there was different scales to them all and you were like the furthest you could possibly go on read Me and one other person were Jake. Well, I wasn't oh well He wouldn't mind. Yeah, Jake wouldn't mind red enough in it. I know I mean if anything he would want me to say that he was red and I believe he was I don't actually 100% remember buddy

He's a red boy. Which is maybe why I've always had a bit of a soft spot for him. I see a lot of myself in him. Yeah. By the way, eGadgetguy said, make Luke's limit 10K. I don't actually mind the 2K thing because I actually don't think Terran has ever not approved anything I've ever asked for.

And it ends up just being like a way of informing of major things that are going on. That's the point of it. And that's why I wouldn't have asked for it to change. And I've never asked for mine to raise. Because people should communicate when they are making major purchases. It's a good primer to just have the conversation. I think two grand is definitely a decent line over, you know, this is just general day-to-day cost of doing business versus this is an expenditure I don't know what I would change it to if I wanted to change it, which is why I think it's always been fine Yeah, it's also been like it. I don't think he's ever denied any requests, but he's also like asked very reasonable questions

Which is completely fine. He's not he's also not blindly approving is what I would say Which is completely fine. He's not he's also not blindly approving is what I would say Gorf in floatplane chat says about the color personalities. It's all horseshit what I will say is part of the problem could be the administration of the evaluation because Looking around at people that I've known in some cases for pretty five years some in some cases for 10 years. Yeah. Seems about right. Now there's some confirmation bias there, whatever, obviously, like, or whatever sampling bias, or

whatever, like you want to be something you could project it through your answers on the quiz. Yep. But given most of us hadn't even like heard of it before we did the evaluation. And like like anyone who was like playing, hey what do you think so-and-so is, like nailed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it seems there seems to be some, I mean at the end of the day, what the real lesson was was not, you know, memorizing the colors and what these things are. The whole point of it was that everyone's kind of different and everyone takes a different approach and everybody needs different needs fulfilled

in order to move forward together as a team. That was the main point. I thought the goal of what they had in regards to explaining the communication stuff, which I'll do in a second, was actually really good. And I've used it to remind people of how we should do things. Dan's probably even heard me mention this probably recently, I think I did, where it's like what their point was not so

much necessarily to self-identify what you were, but to make educated guesses about what other people might be and tune your communication style to it. Like they explained like the people in the blue category, give them lots of information and good documentation and like resources, hand it to them and they'll be happy. And don't be super casual about it. Don't because they might treat that as you're not taking it seriously. Yes. But red side.

Don't waste my time. Give them the really important information they need and then go away. Yes. And it's like, And then go do it. Yeah. Right. Because, because nothing else really matters. Like, are we getting it done or not? I don't need a spreadsheet. I need action. Right. And that was our, that was my leadership style for a very long time. That doesn't mean that I'm not capable of communicating with people across the entire color spectrum or whatever. But in terms of where my natural residency is,

it's definitely, definitely red. But we had a conversation recently where we were working with another department and I brought up like, hey, this department is X color. Like, work with them this way. There's like no way that almost everyone in that department wasn't kind of leaning towards the same type of communication. Yeah, they 100% did. Yeah. I think I probably know what department

you're talking about because I think there's only one department that's like all one color. Probably, yeah. And did it help? Yeah, so looking back on after like going back on conversations that I've had with either like executive teams or other teams, like I think Luke and I are quite aligned. I think extrovertedly to use like the Myers-Briggs terms. And when I'm in meetings and I'm like explaining things and I'm like, answers please, why is nobody talking to me? All of them have introverted thinking. And so all they are just like processing it in their head and I'm feeling ignored and like an island.

And it's kind of scary, but thinking back on it, yeah, no, they're paying attention and they understand, but they don't have to talk through like their process or brain goop. Yeah, super useful. Anyways, okay, moving on. Not saying it's the be all and end all. No.

You know? No. We're just saying it's been useful in some situations. It gets people talking about it, right? At the very least, it's like, try to analyze the type of person you're dealing with and tune your communication towards them if you need something from it.

That's all it really means. And if something doesn't work, try something else. Like that was a big part of it too, was just. You might be wrong. Like realistically, communicate your own needs as well Look, I was chatting with ivan about it after and realistically We could have run the workshop like yeah, we're both experienced managers and we've gone through a lot of this But for a lot of members of the team where they didn't have this familiarity with working with people that have different

communication styles and different ways of processing things I think it was incredibly valuable. We often hire, I don't know if I want to say inexperienced, we often hire people that haven't had career level jobs. We're a really young company. Yeah. Overall. So like there's there's some people in there that like had been met I know of at least one person that had been managing for zero days when they first stepped in They recently been way through the promoted to it exactly yeah, but had zero management experience And well like they were promoted as far as I know it was like they had no direct reports yet And it was the day they were promoted. They just showed up so like

Love it should get the training right obviously new stuff. Yeah Anyways So like, sure. Loving should get the training, right? Obviously. This is all new stuff. Yeah. Anyways. Sorry, reading Slack messages. First time getting a comment in live. I'm considering getting a Steam Deck, but I've heard rumors that an updated version is around the corner. Is it worth waiting?

I mean, an updated version of anything is always around the corner, depending on your definition of around the corner. Is it worth waiting? I mean an updated version of anything is always around the corner depending on your definition of around the corner. Um, I don't think Valve has confirmed anything with the current batch of Zen 5 APUs and the scuttlebutt is that the Zen 6 APUs are not getting RDNA 4. If I was going to guess, I would say Valve would probably strike at Zen 7 RDNA 4. And this is a complete guess on my part. Because what they have said, what Valve has said is that they want a clear, like console level generational leap.

They don't want to get into the habit of just like churning out Steam Deck models and having a complicated legacy product stack that they have to figure out how to support on all these new OS updates. Like they want playable on Steam Deck messaging to be very clear. That means Steam Deck. And they don't want to be redoing that all the time. Like Steam profiles. Like some games have the Steam settings profile built right into them, like Cyberpunk. They want to make it easier for game developers.

I mean, they come from game development. Theoretically, at some point, they did game development, right? So they want to do this in a way that's really friendly for game developers. I mean, they come from game development, theoretically, at some point they did game development, right? So they want to do this in a way that's really friendly for game developers. So they have very clearly said they're not going to get into the same habits as someone like an ASUS. Even ASUS actually, I mean, didn't do an updated, like the Ally X is just updated. It doesn't use a new processor. So if I had to guess, I would say Zen 7 RDNA 4, but I don't know that. I have no way of knowing that. AthosLore says, I have the OLED edition and it's great. And it really is. It's a beautiful machine.

Sorry. Last one I've got for you tonight. Linus, speaking of how to train your dragon, have you seen the Isle of Berk section at the new Epic Universe Park at Universal Orlando? Linus I have not. I've never been to Universal Studios Orlando. It's really far from me. I believe Florida, like the tip of Florida, is the farthest point in Canada, US from here. Actually, is Newfoundland farther? I don't know. It's very, very far away though. Extremely far away. Like uncomfortably far. I would never just like hop on a plane and jump down there. Yeah. Hawaii. No, I know. I'm pretty sure that Florida is farther for me than Hawaii. Hold on. There we go. Maps dot Google dot. What is what are these auto completes? What is this? Look at this. This is hilarious. Oh, it's because I have an A in there. All right,

fine. I find this fact to be really fun. Okay. No here it is What are these initial auto completes what is dot CCA It's dot CCA thing is maps dot google.com. Like is that a thing? What is this? Why would it auto complete that I? Mean this is a this is like a barely used profile for the man shows are only used for when that's weird There are distances within Canada that are further than Canada's border is to Europe Canada is really big random fun fact How do I switch to the globe view? There are like logistical decisions

that have to be made sometimes where it's actually like cheaper to ship something to Europe than it is across Canada because Canada is so big. This is really far though, especially when you factor in how much actually big this is and how much this is stretched out because of this view. Yeah, top of the map. Do you remember how to change it to globe?

I can't remember. Not sure. Y'all want to remind me how to do that? Because, oh, dang, that didn't work. Well, whatever. You just go to Google Earth. Oh, okay, sure. I think there's a way to get it in actual map view as well instead of Google earthing it. Yeah, I think there's a way to get it in like actual map view as well instead of Google

earthing it. Yeah I think so. But this... Get started. What is this? What? Google Earth seems to have changed. There we go. Here we go. Africa be actually really big. Yeah I know right? It's huge. You never how Freaking massive it is until you see it on an actual globe Can I remove the clouds? That is actually not useful right now. Is there a maybe under layers bottom? There we go. Here we go Okay, so yeah, Vancouver to Florida real far actually like Ridiculously far. Yeah, that flight sucks But maybe not farther than to Newfoundland that that looks pretty similar ish Newfoundland might be

further is it worth farther excuse me okay but what about Vancouver to the USA you mean America to America. That's a national flight. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. I don't know. Bye.

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