The WAN Show - I Will Sell Him This Neo - WAN Show March 6, 2026

Episode Date: March 7, 2026

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What's up everyone and welcome to the Wednesday. We are coming to you live from the threat locker studio here at Zero Trust World. That's right. They've taken over the WAN show, but they haven't taken over the topics. And we've got a lot of great stuff to talk to you guys about this week. Of course, the big one was Apple dropping an absolute bomb of many bombs of in kind of seriously, unironically incredible products this week. I don't know how closely you've looked at it yet, but I'm pretty sure that by the end of this show,

I can sell you a MacBook. In other news, ratings, the, I mean, what would I call it? Incredibly influential and important testing site, spelled R-T-I-N-G-S. I know, it's pronounced ratings. Don't worry about it. They have gone paywalled for some of the key data around TV,

basically kind of a lot of things. So we'll be talking about, well, the bad stuff about that, but also the pressure that realistically they have got to be under in order to do this because we feel a lot of the same pressures. What else we got? Meta sends intimate videos and photos from Rayband AI glasses to human workers, apparently in Kenya for some reason. So nice.

They kind of tried to pixelate some things out And it didn't work so great, apparently And also, if that worries you Along with everything else about privacy in 2026, Graphene OS is coming to Motorola phones in 27 Does that seem like a problem? Just like officially. I mean, that sounds cool.

No, that's what I'm saying. Oh, good. If you're concerned about privacy. All right, roll that intro. Yeah, let's go. Does it work? Do we have the intro? Is it running?

You're gonna cue me in. The show is brought to you today by Threat Locker, who has done a full WAN takeover, along with our rap partner, D-brand. Okay, I got some D-brand that I can show off, as well as our laptop partner Razor, brought these with us, and our chair partner, Razor,

who apparently we shipped Razor chairs all the way to Florida in order to sit on these. Is that what happened? I don't think we did. Someone did. They did. Razored it? Yeah. That's crazy.

That's hilarious. All right, cool. Why don't we jump right into our first topic, which is, of course, got to be the MacBook Neo. Okay, Apple dropped a bunch of cool stuff. Give me a second here, okay? The iPhone 17E looks pretty compelling. It now has Megsafe charging.

that was a major omission on the previous E. Honestly, I think that's the biggest one for me. It's got a new processor. Very cool, tre-cool, a couple hundred dollars cheaper than a regular 17. But realistically, I think if you were going to get an iPhone, you'd probably go for a full-fat iPhone anyway, which I know you've been considering. You've thought about it.

He's thought about it. I might go for the mid-tier one. Yeah, that's the full-fat, not the pro. Yeah, so that's the iPhone. But what I don't think this man has at any point in his life seriously considered is going MacBook. Literally never. They have a few new MacBooks. So they've got new pros with new chips.

They've got an M5 MacBook error that starts with 16 gigs of unified memory, 512 gigs of storage. Honestly, the new pros and errors in the context of the current NAND and DRAMs, shortage are actually looking like a better value than before in spite of the fact that there have been some pricing adjustments upward for the starting at that in some cases are only upward because the starting at has more base storage now for instance so apple managed to do this without making major changes to pricing but the big one the big one that everyone is talking about is the macbook neo now how much do you know about it already practically nothing I know it's 600 bucks.

I don't the MacBook. Okay, okay, okay. It's a mobile chip, right? It's a mobile chip. So it uses the A18 Pro chip. So this is not like Apple M-series silicon, but realistically, it's going to perform pretty darn well. It's got two cores that are going to be able to turbo quite aggressively. And then it's got, I believe, it's six total.

So I think it has another four cores total. Guys, let me know in the chat if I've got the core count wrong. The point is, This thing is powerful enough that on a very recent iPhone, it was delivering pretty great experiences and everything from, obviously, you know, doom scrolling on TikTok, but, you know, all the way to doing video editing, because that's what people are doing on iPhone's these days. Yeah. So it's a six-core CPU, five-core GPU with a 16-core neural engine. Thank you very much, chronified over in chat. All right. It only has eight gigs of memory. Hold on. I need your full and undivided attention, because this is important. Only eight gigs of memory. Upgradable as well. It is not only non-user upgradeable, but it is non-upgradable from the factory. And a big part of the reason for that is because of the way the A18 Pro is manufactured with the DRAM right on top. This package is, she's packaged, and they weren't going to do a new package design for this MacBook Neo.

This is a first-of-its-kind product. I mean, I don't, when's the last time we saw a MacBook for under $1,000? Has it, people who have been following Apple for longer than we might know. Back when they did plastic MacBooks, was that a thing? I'm not aware of anything. Someone says the 12-inch one, I think. Okay.

Okay, it only has two USBC ports and a 3-5 millimeter jack. That's not the end of the world. Only one of them is USB 3 with display capabilities. Still not really the end of the world. A lot of people are just carrying dongles these days. I carry a dongle.

The first MacBook that didn't have a type A port on it was 10 and a half years ago. It was the dongle machine. It was a long time ago. Long time ago, there's no backlit keyboard. And the base model... My current laptop doesn't have a backlit keyboard, and it's way more expensive. The base model has no touch ID. Not this one.

This one does. That's $100 up charge for touch ID. Okay. But hear me out. Let me make my pitch. it has a 500-knit peak brightness display. It gets the same magic keyboard that, as far as we can tell, as far as we can tell, it gets a magic keyboard,

just like Apple's other mobile Macs. It doesn't have a gigantic trackpad, but it has a very decent-sized trackpad. And I mean, if you've used a Mac, have you used a Mac? Okay, so you know Apple track pads, they're good. They're outstanding. I'm not concerned about the trackpad. 1080P webcam.

Okay, so it's got like a actually freaking decent webcam and you know that the image quality is going to be good because the A18 Pro well that's the same chip that's going to drive an iPhone camera. Man, people keep posting like no haptic track pad, no backlight keyboard. I'm like, guys, this is a $600 laptop.

I'm not expecting any of that stuff. $600 laptop. Aluminum chassis. Wow. See? I assumed that it would be unapologetically plastic. I assumed it would have been plastic.

The second I saw it, I was like, they've got to achieve, but that's what Apple is so good about, is the surfaces that you interact with. So you've got a decent display. You've got a decent webcam, keyboard, trackpad. They still manage to have dual speakers with their spatial audio because it's all processing.

Apple's a software company at the end of the day. And they make some pretty incredible hardware these days. but software is where they specialize. It's where they come from. So with all of that in mind, here's my pitch. Because I don't think you would go MacOS. But I didn't say

that I was going to sell you a MacBook Neo for you. He's realizing. He's realizing. Okay. No, I thought you were going in a different direction. The next time, I know that you have some family members that are way overdue for a laptop. And ironically, I've been thinking about literally this laptop for that person.

Yeah. I know. I know that, you know, in the future, there could be, you know, family members that are younger in your family. Like, you've got some, you've got some, I don't know how much you talk about your family tree, but I know there are... Just niece nephew. Sure. No other details. There are younger people.

Yeah. If you were looking for a machine for something, For someone like that for one of those people it could really fit yeah I think this is the one Yep it comes the neo you might say it has some fun colors I think the yellow is actually like pretty cool um I feel the yellow might be the one to get actually it's pretty sweet and it's Apple so you know that this thing is going to get software support it's probably going to last for freaking ever for a reasonable amount of time he's probably going to be quite good oh dude the battery is only I think 36 watt hours or something like that

because it runs a mobile chip. It's probably still going to last for freaking ever. It still got really solid sort of longevity ratings but because the capacity is so small You can have just like a portable battery bank and just top it right up. You're like you could operate this thing away from the wall

for so flipping long. Dude, I've seen... For me, just the Mac OSXX experience iOS in general, all this. It just feels my brain doesn't like it. I don't have a better explanation than that. But there are other people's like my mom, I've told this story a bunch of times. She was on an Android phone for years and struggled for years. She got an iPhone and within 24 hours like was way better with the iPhone than she ever was at the Android phone. And she'd

never used like Apple devices before that. That wasn't like a familiarity thing. So yeah. I mean, it's a very interesting device. And I've seen a lot of people in the comments on our Apple announcement video that we're all like, but you could get this ACER that has a dedicated GPU and it's this and it's this and it's this. And I'm like, bro, you don't understand. That ACER is going to have support dropped for it in no amount of time. It's probably running hot. Windows 12 is what, shaping up to be an AI first operating system.

So in terms of software updates, you can make a pretty strong argument that Apple has fudged some stuff when it comes to Mac OS. But like when the bar is at the bottom of the Marianas trench at this point. You want a potentially surprising take? Sure. I think at this point, I would rather go with this laptop with the OS that it ships with than a Windows 12 laptop. And even though we haven't seen Windows 12 yet, we haven't seen anything to indicate. It would be anything good. And the thing is, with the same argument that I gave for like,

I'm going to run Arch on my laptop, I bet you I could run macOS just fine. Oh, yeah. I'm just going to live in a browser. On a laptop, yeah. Who cares if the log into the laptop screen looks different. Like, it's just going to be browsers. It's the exact same argument.

So honestly, on a laptop that I'm predominantly using for work, it would probably just be fine. And there's things that Apple does really, really well. one of them is I wouldn't expect to have any stupid Wi-Fi connectivity issues on my MacBook Neo whereas I was using until very recently I was dalying an HP Elite Book with I was going to say cheap laptops that's not a cheap laptop what's it's nuts the strict's halo with AMD's like top of the line mobile chipset dude I had so many Wi-Fi issues with that thing so I half the time I rebooted it it was because it's sleep bugged

and would just like refuse to wake up. And the other half the time I rebooted it would be because I couldn't connect to Wi-Fi and transfer any data. It's like Media Tech chip or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because of AMD's partnership with them. Now, I could have cracked it open.

I didn't actually see if there was a replaceable card. But at that kind of a price, it's like a $4,000 machine. I should not have to do that. No. Period. And these days, how often are they removable? On thin and lights, it's becoming less common, which is really frustrating. Yeah.

So that's my pitch. I think in the next several years, there is a solid, like, 50% chance that you will buy a MacBook Neo. Yeah, honestly, probably. And, like, something that I find really interesting is, like, I'm looking, I'm on their store right now. I don't know if Dan wants to share it or not,

but I'm on their store right now, and I'm looking at the lineup side by side of their, their, like, previously cheap laptop, the MacBook Air. Cheap, I'm putting in quotes, because it's Apple. And they're newly cheap, MacBook the Neo and that jump yeah like huh and there's things about the air that are a lot more compelling the M5 chip is wicked and you can configure the air with way more storage way more RAM you get

thunderbolt like there's stuff there's value in the air it's a serious deal machine at that point yeah and for a lot of people they just really need a browser uh-huh okay did you what you didn't watch our video right no yeah okay so one of the things that I said in the video was you can look at the MacBook Neo and you can go, well, it's manufactured e-waste. It's got 8 gigs of RAM in 2026. But hear me out, is it not manufactured e-waste to have people who are just going to browse Facebook and write in Google Docs and have this, have a machine that's loaded up with a whole bunch of RAM? Wouldn't it be better if we saved that RAM for the precious AI data centers that need it so much more than us

consumers do? As a Mac OS, Slash S, for the love of God, slash S, whoever's actually angry about that. I don't know. Do not clip that out of context. There's a few people nodding during that, I swear. The, how far does 8 gigs run you with macOS? A little better. A little better.

They do support some memory compression. If you are a tap monster, you're still going to run up against it. Yeah. You will. You will. But to save like 600 bucks, it might be worth. closing a couple. If you're mostly browsing on Facebook marketplace or, you know,

replying to emails or writing that book you've always been meaning to write, I don't think it has to be an obstacle. Yeah. And I don't think you need to be an obstacle for our very special guest. Hi. Who's going to be coming on to the show to talk about zero trust world. People in the room were thinking about applauding, and then they just didn't, and then it got really awkward.

It was slightly awkward. I'm not going to like it. Welcome. Somebody just left their laptop wide open in front of me. This is Rob. Okay, that is a very good thing for you to notice and for us to give him a little, you know, one of these for. Rob is the chief product officer, or sorry, excuse me,

chief podcast officer for Threat Locker who took over the show today and he's here to talk to us a little bit about Zero Trust World. You guys are right in the middle of it, and I'm going to, I swear I'm going to let you talk, but this is the co-hosting with me experience. Really? I just kind of keep going. That's fine.

Not your job out of it. Yeah, just like that. You've got to just jump right in. That's okay. That's okay. I appreciate you having us on. To want to talk a little bit about what's been the huge news at Zero Trust World this year, other than, you know, the chief technical officer of a large media company just leaving his laptop on the desk.

Completely unlocked. Does it have Threat Locker on it? Tush. Okay, you're fine. You're fine. Got them. Got him. Yeah, nice.

So what do you guys been up to? A lot of shaking hands and kissing babies. and some shaking babies and kissing hands. Just basically pounding the flesh, talking to people, meeting people, doing a bit of talking, doing a bit of podcasting,

releasing some new products. Yeah, why don't you tell us about that? New products are awesome. So they, fundamentally two parts for what we've got zero trust network access and we've got zero trust cloud access. Start with a second, I suppose. Zero trust cloud.

Oh, I'm going to have you go back and I'm going to have you Tell us about the concept of zero trust. We've actually talked about it on the WAN show before, but I'm sure we have some new viewers this week. I mean, you can sum it up really simply, which is to, well, in my mind, it's to deny by default. You think about cybersecurity for the last 20 years.

Fundamentally, it all operated in the same way, which is to allow everything except those things we know to be bad. The mechanism by which that was done has changed. So it started off with antivirus with definitions and keeping definitions up to date. based on everything bad that's out there. Then we started to recognize the behavior of this software. Correct, which started to proactively.

We started getting into EDR territory. But, I mean, fundamentally, they still allowed everything to happen except bad stuff. Right. The idea being you have to detect and respond. I mean, fundamentally, detection assumes, well, it is breach because something bad is going into the environment, something bad is running in the environment, and you're hoping that whatever tool it is you're using is going to recognize it, I, you will save us all.

UAC will not save us all. You would be amazed. I have spoken to people who think that I've taken away admin rights for my users. We're not going to have to worry about ransomware.

I'm like, you do realize that anyone can run ransomware, don't you? Oh. So yeah, it's a common misconception. UAC is not going to save us all. Okay, so now tell us about the new zero trust products.

Sure. So I will, But I'll sort of mention the other thing. So to sort of finish the thought about zero trust, deny by defaults one way of looking at it. Assume breach is another way I looking at it. It's effectively about controls rather than making decisions on what's good or bad. I mean, fundamentally, we don't care about what's good or bad.

We're about applying controls, whether those controls be allow listing, so blocking things by default from running. So malware can't run, ransomware can't run. But also good things. Other things that could be misused are going to be blocked from running. We extend it, and that's one place where Threatlocker Excel, as we extend that concept of denied by default, so it's not just about what can run or what can't run,

although that is important, because what things can do when they are running is almost equally important. So things like PowerShell weaponised all the time, being like it is so powerful. It's right in the name. It is literally right in the name. Don't worry about it. It's a thing.

Yeah, you can. run remote code, you can download next to you you can exfiltrate data, you can reverse shell with power show. Quite literally anything. Pretty much. Yeah. So, and it's on every Windows machine. It's just there. If you're an attacker, it makes sense to use it, but the way to stop it from being weaponized

to say, well, look, it can run, but it can't access my files. It can't access the internet. So it can't run remote code. It can't exploit your data. It can't download payloads. And we apply the same concept to network access as well. So basically same principles, deny by default, permit by exception. And so you're allowing those things that need to connect to stuff to connect to stuff and blocking everything else. So it stops, you know, compromise VPNs or vulnerabilities and firewalls or somebody spinning up a VM on a machine and trying to attack via that.

Right. All those things. And again, you'll notice everything I've mentioned so far, none of it requires decisions on good and bad. All of it is just purely around controls. So, and there's a bunch of more stuff we do with the platform as well. So we've got network control, we've got patch management, it's an entire zero trust platform. Now, the new stuff, the sexy stuff, the stuff everybody is going to want to buy like yesterday. Zero trust cloud access. So the idea being that MFA is good.

Yeah, it is. MFA is right. People should use MFA. MFA. MFA is not a silver bullet. MFA can be bypassed. Oh, we know all about that. Yes. We had our channel stolen by a like a, a, like a. Session cookie hijack. Oh, really? Okay, that's interesting. So they didn't even need to use our MFA.

Well, you need our new product in that case. I also am painfully aware of this because I spent many, many hours at not last year's Zero Trust World, the one before that, where we used Evil Jinks and Wi-Fi pineapples to basically snarf credentials and cookies. Right. And it showed that while MFA is great, MFA is not effective all the time. Nope. And can be bypassed.

So what does this do? It basically routes all... So the likes Office 365, for example, or Google or Salesforce or any cloud service you care to mention, allows you to limit access by IP address. So by default, the entire internet can access an Office 365. Now, a lot of people will use conditional access, but they'll do say conditional access, we're here in America, they'll say, okay, I'm going to lock it down to American IP addresses. That's fine.

but America still has a lot of IP addresses. Yeah, and you could just route through a data center or a random infected machine. Okay, I've just bypassed that control. Last year, we took a stab at what we call cloud control. And cloud control, basically, the idea was that I'd have an app on my phone, I've got a threat locker agent running on my machine, I can gather all those IP addresses,

and then I can add them to a named location in Office 365, for example, and apply conditional access based on that. So we've gone from... all the IP addresses to an entire country's IP addresses to 3,000 maybe in a reasonable size organization IP addresses. That was great except Microsoft

because what would happen is we'd gather all the IP addresses, we'd upload them to Microsoft and Microsoft would take their sweet-ass time updating conditional access policies. Right. So that was a great idea. It was well executed, I thought, on our side, but then when Microsoft entered the room

it basically all went to am I allowed curse on this? You can say it went to pot. It went to pot. So, we went back to the drawing board and said, well, what's the other way we can do this? How can we stop businesses from suffering business email compromise or, you know, people who shouldn't have access to stuff getting access to stuff? Cookie session. Cuckey session, hijacking, etc.

Okay. So basically it is a way of routing traffic through us. So instead of thousands of IP addresses or millions of IP addresses, it's one IP address. So in your Office 365, in your G Suite, in your sales force, and basically just allow one IP address to connect to that. All others are blocked. And that way you guys have the nimbleness for us to go,

okay, here's our ranges, make sure this is updated so our people can access their stuff. And then everything is going through. Microsoft or Google or whoever, any of the slow-moving giants, they just don't really need to update anything. They don't need to update anything. It's literally just an address is all that needs to be allowed. Now, this might be a little uncomfortable.

I know you guys sponsored the show today and everything. but I mean, I have to ask. Gock. Try me. You say zero trust, but it sounds like I need to trust you. It's a tiny bit of trust. Okay. Okay. No, the phrase zero trust has been around for some time.

It is somewhat of a misnomer. I mean, look, the fact of the matter is zero trust means computer turned off, locked in a vault, never connected to anything. Yeah. That is fundamentally zero trust. That is not practical. That is possible, but you're not going to get a lot of work done. You're not going to get a lot of work done. And businesses are going to go into a hole.

So that's kind of impossible. Okay, so a little bit of trust then. Tiny little bit of trust. Tiny little bit of trust. Now, my second question then is, never mind the trust. Let's say I trust you, but it sounds like there's a single point of failure for access to all of my cloud services if your server goes down. So what have you guys done to build resiliency into this? Redundancy.

It's not one server. It's multiple servers. In fact, it's four servers, basically, for each organization or each company that's using it. So there's no single point of failure. It is multiple. And that's the biggest launch this year then? It depends on how you look at it. That is the one with the potential biggest reach

because that is where the biggest problem lies. More organizations and most organizations need help. They need more than just MFA. The zero trust network access comes from a unbelievably common question asked to us by customers. So we listen to customers feedback. I mean, zero's trust world, apart from all the baby shaking and hand kissing and all that stuff, one of the best parts about it is we get to hear customers both good things, but probably more importantly, bad things.

We're running up against time a little bit. So give me the short version of why I need this instead of Windows firewall. Because you don't want to be opening VPNs to the internet, because VPNs open to the internet are bad, they're exploited, they're, you know, a compromised credential or a vulnerability in a firewall. from being exploited. So in the same way, are we routing everything through you guys then? Effectively, yeah, both sides, effectively. So you have a resource in the office that you want to share with your users on the road. You basically just published that.

It's not published on the internet, but basically any devices that you say should be able to connect to that, will connect to each other, the US. Very cool. Well, hey, you know what? It was really nice to meet you. It's been a pleasure. We forgot something. Thanks for coming on.

We did? We did. There's somebody who's probably watching right now. and it's going to break his heart that I'm sitting here talking to you. Oh, that's right. Hi, Ben. Hi, Ben. Okay, that's it. All right, thank you.

Thank you very much. Take care, man. Cheers. All right, that was Rob, chief product officer for Threat Locker, who sponsored the entire WAN show today. Now Luke's back. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. That was absolutely awesome.

And let's jump right into our next topic. Mr. Luke, do you want to talk about Linux misadventures, or do you want to talk about radio? ratings going paywall. So I left my laptop open and he left his badge on the desk. Nice. Yeah, ratings.com changes their membership program, places tests behind paywall, sort of. Rtings.com has announced substantial change to their website, citing a loss of organic search traffic,

similarly to how we've been talking about the lab site. Seeing their numbers, actually, the chart looks very similar. The numbers are a lot higher. but the shape of the graph looks very similar. Yeah, where everything was going, kind of like it was going, where you're getting referrals from Google Search, and then all of a sudden, AI Summary starts scraping all of your data and just presenting it directly to the user.

The impressions go up, the clicks go down. Yeah. So they also highlighted how AI is scraping the website and using their results without attribution. The website hopes that the new membership will provide them with the funds to continue their testing across a growing number. of categories and they are like constantly adding new things. It's awesome. Rating's previous premium tier called Insider Access limited readers to not, okay, the subscribers to insider access

weren't limited. The non-subscribers were limited to 10 individual product articles per month, but allowed you to see the full test results and scores and all that kind of stuff. Of those 10. Yes. The program also provided early access to product, the program itself provided early access to product reviews and allowed users to provide input into developing testing categories and kind of like vote on what things you wanted in the review. It's actually a very cool system. The new membership, it unlocks test results

and scores for paying use. Unlocks test, this is a... Yeah, because free users can no longer see individual product scores, individual test results, or individual test scores. Unless you're a paying subscriber. Unless you are a paying subscriber. Free users can still see ratings best in categories lists, which as far as my understanding goes, is like where a vast majority of their traffic is.

So for a lot of people, this won't necessarily change that part of it. The overall summaries they can see, as well as subcategory summaries on product pages, for example, how a headphone performs for travel, office work, wired gaming, audio reproduction accuracy, stuff like that. and educational articles like their TV burning test, A&C explainer, and Wi-Fi 7 multi-link operation articles, which are very cool. So the problem is the like new bit, sorry, I'm not sure where this is, but I swear it was in here earlier. The new bit, just riffing, is that some of the graphs will be blurred out. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And even like the numbers. Like a lot is going to be blurred out. And I'm going to get out ahead of this one here. And I'm going to throw in my hot take. I see a lot of people who are really upset about this. This is the reality. This is where we're at.

I have absolutely no negative sentiment whatsoever towards ratings over this move. No. No, this is. And if you have any negativity towards ratings for what they're doing right now, you've got to point it at the right place. I feel like this is what we were kind of talking about. when we did that video recently on LTT and we had that conversation on WAN show about be angry

but be angry at the right people you know by all means you know be angry about affordability issues in tech be angry that a site like ratings will not show you the rating of a product anymore but don't be angry at ratings

yeah be angry at the AI giants be angry at the AI giants that are scraping that are stealing the hard work that real actual human people with blood flowing through their veins are doing to

test this stuff and just putting it in an AI summary and profiting off of it, benefiting from it and not paying for it and I know I don't have to tell you guys be mad about AI but seriously

be mad about AI because whether it's ratings.com or whether it's house fresh, that's that air purifier test site that has really struggled with a bunch of issues. We did a great video a little while back. You guys

can go check it out talking about everything that they've gone through with respect to manufacturers trying to make their lives really difficult as well as AI summary is coming in and basically just nuking their source of revenue and stealing their testing.

Our discussion question is, what does this mean for labs? Because that was our goal, was to do kind of a ratings style thing over time. We knew it was going to take time. It's taken longer than we want. But we knew it was going to take time and have a rating style product page, but more for like IT tech, you know, GPUs, CPUs, that sort of thing. Every component in the computer was the original goal. What are we supposed to do?

the original concern that we had was, okay, they're written articles and people are less interested in written articles now. Therefore, traffic will not be super high. When we first started the lab site, these AI scrapers to this degree didn't exist when we first started trying to do the lab site. So now it's, I don't know, it's a difficult pivot. My heart goes out to the ratings team. Hopefully this works for them. This, the vibe I got. Do you think it will work?

And look, if we say, yes, we think it will work and you see any value in it whatsoever, you should go subscribe and be part of that. And if we say, no, we don't think it will work, and you can spare a little bit of pocket change, then you should probably just go subscribe anyway. Prove us wrong. Make us wrong. So whatever he says, you know, they're doing great work over there. There are Canadian bros, by the way.

I don't know if you guys know that. I really, really, really hope they make it. I am keeping in mind, though, that I'm trying to be objective as possible. I think this will work, but with a pretty big and bold asterisk on the end of it. Yeah. Of like, I don't think they're, I don't know. I really hope they do, genuinely. But I don't feel like this is going to lead to the growth or the good sustainment that they probably need.

And I think it's going to hurt for a while. And I think the ratings that we see in five to ten years is probably going to feel a little different than the ratings we see now. But I would so love to be wrong. Yeah. That would be so awesome. Um, yeah. I don't think it's going to work, but I understand why they're doing it. And if I was in their shoes, then gosh darn it, I would try. Yeah, totally. You ought to do something. Because what they're doing is important. But what I worry about is that it's going to take too long for people to realize how important it is. They might have nailed their mix though. The fact that you can still get their best of pages

and things will still be in the right order. You don't have the scores but it's right order. And like, I mean honestly dude like I'm looking at it going this isn't going to stop AI bots from scraping them. No. They'll buy a subscription for a few bucks, scrape everything anyway. Like I'm just I feel like quality data and quality information is just kind of doomed. It's not incentivized anymore. No one actually goes the whole way. They just search it and stop. And we can complain about that all we want.

It's going to keep happening. It doesn't matter. There's no way you're going to get the zeit guys twisted on that. One question in here, why don't we use number scores for reviews? That's because I decided many, many years ago, I thought it was an oversimplification and that people need to watch the whole video for the nuanced take. Was I right?

Yes, does that matter? No, because not having numbers or editor's choice award or gold, silver, bronze award has significantly harmed our ability to communicate in the way that people want to be communicated to. Yeah. And sometimes it's really hard because like how do you ultimately differentiate between these two things that are like basically equal? so we also don't have experience with it but yeah in a web format everyone wants the best of list and they want to click on the one at the top the e gadget guy says so every game in the world being a three out of five is wrong slash yes yeah like I've always fundamentally

disagreed with just summarizing something as complex especially as a game oh my god a game in just one number it's ludicrous and yet I find myself doing it sometimes. In fact, no, I think I did it today. Who was I talking to that I was like, okay, tell me what are how much you like it or what are the odds of you doing this out of 10? I think I think I did that to someone today. Are they in this room? Was it you?

I have no idea. Okay, I don't remember because because that's what we want. Sometimes we don't want a long explanation. We just want the gist of it. And some people have pointed out in the past like expecting that I or we or whoever would have some amount of animosity to ratings because they have a website that covers keyboards, I guess. That's like our main crossover keyboards and mice. In terms of the website. Bearing any kind of ill will or having any kind of animosity toward anyone else who's trying to test

and provide valuable information to consumers is like borderline, like, villain behavior, quite frankly. And like it's, it also, I think... People need more. sources of information, not less, in an ever-shinking... And third-party ones, too? Consolidating media landscape. This is part of the...

Every single time we ever talk about this topic, we say, you know, check multiple reviews, check multiple perspectives. This is a valuable part of that pie. If you manage to develop like a weird hate boner over someone else trying to do product testing, then you might be the problem. Yeah, so... Not going to name anyone. Good luck ratings.

I really hope. It goes really well. Genuinely. They're still keeping the YouTube channel open and pumping. Cool. And there's no real change there. So hopefully that goes well. I did notice that part of the announcement was a YouTube video.

A pretty good YouTube video. So hopefully that goes well. All right. We don't have a ton of time today. So why don't we jump into Linux Challenge updates? Yeah. I shared a file with myself. Naturally, even though part one is not even out on YouTube yet, it is out on float plane.

Talk a little bit more about that later. I did see all of your comments that I was a fool. You fool! You've chosen Pop-O-Wes! After everything that happened with Papua West last time. I'm not going to be gas-lit on this. What happened last time was that Pop-O-S was like the flavor du jour, and I went with it because it was the...

flavor du jour especially if you were running a g-force card it was recommended a lot okay the issue that i had with it was blamed on me super hard and as i've talked about in the past already there was absolutely an element of user error absolutely there also was an element of an random bizarre bug that no user should have ever seen and even after that came to light so right out of the gate, I was blamed hard for 100%. And even after the bug came to light, the presentation to me across like the entire internet was, what an idiot. Pop-O-S is goaded. How could he have managed to screw this up?

And then I didn't use Pop-O-S. So Pop-O-S, I didn't have like a bunch of problems with Pop-O-S. I had one problem that was attributed to a bug. Were you like out of there like an hour? Yeah. I used Manjaro. Yeah, for like the whole challenge. So there's like deep, deep threads discussing how I could have possibly gone popOS after last time.

When what actually happened last time was, A, I didn't go popOS, and B, the one issue that I had with it was blamed 100% on me. The third part of the narrative that I'm not going to allow to happen here is that how could you possibly choose it? Nobody recommends PopoS anymore. Yes. Yes, they do. As you guys will see in the video, whether it's listicles, whether it's asking an AI. I actually did something after last WAN show, and Linus was there. I could probably bring it up right now, but I ask my chat jipity with what you know about me

and remove the fact that you know which distro I'm using right now from your memory for this. From what you know about me, which distro should I use? and it gave a top three and Pop OS was in there. And you can go, yeah, well, AIs are stupid. They just, like, hallucinate that it's good. No, AIs are trained on the web at large. So if you're going to have a little headcan and narrative

that nobody recommends Pop OS, lose it. Just lose it. Go be part of the solution. Write a really great article on top Linux distros and get some good SEO and be part of the solution. otherwise you're not really doing anything other than just like making noise. Yeah, it's recommendations where number one for me was OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Fedora Workstation was number two and Arch was number three.

Now let's have some... Remember I'm going to play games and it still did OpenS number one, still did Fedora number two, and did Pop OS number three. Now let's have some fun. Let's have some fun because obviously even before seeing any feedback on my choice of PopoS, I haven't been thrilled with Pop OS. Oh, man, oh, sorry. That's another part of the narrative that's just driving me crazy.

How could he use that cosmic desktop environment is like functionally an alpha? Dude, when I go to their website and I download LTS and it doesn't mention anywhere that it's in alpha or beta, also it isn't. It's V1. Something. Like, don't. You don't get to say that. If I download an LTS, that's not on me. that's on System 76 at that point if it's not good. No, no, I'm not, no.

But anyway, my experience with it hasn't been great. So before anyone even was like, why do you choose Popo-Wes? Of course, I was the first one asking, man, why did I choose Pop-O-S anymore? I seem to be just cursed with Pop-O-S because you've got to remember, for me, I've never had any information other than my issues with Pop-O-S were clearly user error. So I was already exploring other distros. And guess what, Luke? It turns out the curse carries over.

Do you want to see? I spent one evening. I was probably at it for about two and a half hours in between work and going to our badminton night. And Dan, can you throw up my system here? Trying to get a couple of my systems. It's so fascinating to me. Tux-pilled.

I haven't spent two and a half hours fixing anything. So I wanted to do my home theater system because I actually like just actually come back to me for a second down I wanted to do my home theater PC because I like just had to do some tom foolery with my old harmony remote and I like

got it one button go set up again which required a combination of CEC and infrared just yeah and I and so I wanted to get the theater machine working and I also

it was a great opportunity because now that I've given up on running Pop-O-S on everything already, I was like, okay, well, that's a perfect place to run Bazite. And Bazite has an Nvidia build, so theoretically it should be fine. Also, the other machine that I wanted to do was because I was already a week into the challenge, and I hadn't done my work laptop yet, which is kind of a hack, because that's the system that I use 97% of the time. So I was like, okay, I really need to get Linux on my work machine.

So I was working on both of those. All right. Dan, go ahead and hit me. Nope. Okay, so this is me. Kind of wrapping up. Oh, okay. Do your thing.

Blah, blah, blah. He's talking. He's doing talking things. I don't even know if this is going to be part of a video at this point. I need to go. It's badminton night. Okay. That's my face.

Here's my systems. That's Bazide on the left. and that's Kubuntu on the right What is even happening over there Nothing Luke I recorded I recorded everything I did

I recorded everything I did I am literally quite literally no other word for it cursed It's okay so for a little bit of contrast for mine Since the video that released, nothing has happened negative on my system, literally at all.

Good for you. I was surprised I mentioned it in the video, but I still have the problem where when I restart my computer, I have to restart my mixer or else it won't detect in anything. That might be solvable somehow. I've put zero minutes into trying to solve that. Everything else is working. Great. I was on my work laptop in a meeting, and I had Windows on it because I had to prove to Lenovo

that Windows wasn't the reason why my laptop. It has had constant errors ever since I got it. And I did, so I didn't need windows on it anymore. And I was pressing the start menu, and the start menu would show up, but I couldn't interact with the search and the start menu at all. It wouldn't work no matter what I did. And I crashed out in the meeting and just like live installed Mint, and it has been flawless. The only thing I did, I installed Mint, switched it to in video drivers,

which like you click a thing in the first pop-up menu that comes up. that's like, let's get started. And there's a driver manager. You click that, you click NVIDIA, and it just downloads it, and it's done. So, like, the whole, like, this is made for NVIDIA distro thing, I think is a little oversold sometimes,

in my experience, at least. And then on the flight over here, Slay the Spire 2 launched yesterday morning. So, no, like, it came out into early access yesterday morning. It has had no time for anyone to, like, optimize it or anything. I downloaded it, ran it instantly. worked zero issues. I blutothed my headphones to the laptop in the flight. Good for you. Happy for you. No problems. I'm so happy for you, Luke. I had just less problems with it than Windows.

So the Bazite system, rebooting did not fix that because I kind of assumed that would be it. Also, it's surprisingly functional in that state. Like it'll go to sleep after a while. With it looking like that. And then it'll wake from sleep and look exactly like what you saw. That's so nice. So it's very installed. That's so crazy. And then the Kubuntu system that was on the right was like that. Just with the black screen with the Kubuntu logo for, I think it was probably a solid

10 or 15 minutes before I had to leave. And then I didn't check on it again. After I got back from badminton, I came back to it in the morning, and I am now Kubuntu-pilled. Oh, this is... Oh, okay. However. Interesting. However, I'm about to show you something fun.

I'm going to go ahead. click the not start menu and I'm going to restart my system. Yes, I mean now. Okay. I have noticed. It won't really prompt you. But after you install, I'd maybe give it a restart or two. Oh, I've restarted a few times.

No, I'm not, I'm more talking to them. I don't think anything I can say is going to help solve your curse. Yeah. It's, dude, it's wild. It's wild. I don't know. Okay, wait for it. Oh, hold on, it didn't do it.

Hey, progress. The first few times I rebooted this system, it's prompted me. Do you want to try a live environment or do you want to install? And I have this on camera, so I don't need you guys to believe me. I got proof. Even though there's no installation media installed in it and the operating system is installed. Okay, I'm just going to enter my, I'm just going to enter my password. and I'm going to see if it does it after that.

Yep, there it is. That's funky. You don't have installation media in anymore? Nope. Weird. I've never tried Kubuntu. What, Mr. Besser? Show us on this.

Oh, I can show you on. Yeah, sure, there you go. So every time I boot this machine, I get the tried Kubuntu, like a booting, like a live boot environment, or install Kibon 2. And then if I click install,

then it just dumps me on my desktop. Yep. Nice. I'm like, why? And people are going to ask me. They're going to ask me. People always ask me. They ask me all the time. What did you do? Nothing. I didn't do anything. I just have that.

I thought you, yeah, interesting. Is that wild or what? Now, I've got a follow-up. Hopefully it's pretty easy to pass. I've got a follow-up. Because I managed to break a Linux system that wasn't even mine. Oh yeah, this is funny.

I got a message about this. So Dankpods was up for a visit recently and one of the things that happened was his system for Whaleland well, he didn't... He was ready to blame the airline or the airport.

I blame his packing job but he got it here and he shook it and it went rattle, rattle, rattle, rattle, rattle, rattle, rattle. And we were like, okay, that's content, baby. Let's do a video, Linus fixing Dankpods' computer. So, he's a Bazite guy, you know. I get the system.

I find some problems with a GPU support brace that was very DIYed, along with some screws that have fallen out, some inadequate packing foam. I ripped the system apart. I throw it on a test bench. I rebend some VGA backplates and stuff like that. I give him a new cooler. I get him a second stick of RAM because he was running single channel

and times are tough out there. You've got to take care of your boys, right? Throw the system all on test bench, and I go, okay, where's your boot drive? And he hands it to me. He goes, yeah, this is running Bazite. And I go, okay, okay, is that like Marmite? And he's like, no, no, it's a Linux distro, bro.

Or whatever. But like Australian accent, you get the point. And I knew what Bazzite was. Just don't worry about it. The point is we put it in, fails to boot. Immediately. And we've got it on camera.

We've got the whole thing on camera in the fixing Dank Pods's PC video that's going to be coming soon. Fails to boot. He like does a thing so he like presses enter to continue or something like that. And then it reboots and it fails even harder.

Just we didn't change any. The only thing we did was I added a second stick of memory and I enabled DOCP or Expo, like the Faster Memory Profile. We then tried unenabling the Faster Memory Profile, and that didn't... I didn't even take the CPU out of the socket. Okay? Like, this computer is the same computer he brought here

that was running Bazite, had all of his games installed, the sheer act of me touching the drive seems to have nuked his install. I grab a Windows drive that's just lying around, throw it in the exact same M.2 slot instantly boots up. Machine's totally fine. I can't explain this stuff, man.

I don't know. I don't know. I can't explain it. I don't know. I also can't explain why the stuff just seems to mostly work for me. We were talking at Whaleen, right? Like sometimes that's actually more terrifying. Yeah.

I don't know. It just works fine. I will say, so far, the experience of having mint on my laptop again has been like really positive and some of the little added bits of like okay I can totally do this thing but I have to jump through like four hoops on CasheOS

when it's one hoop on mint is like I'm starting to think flavor of the week is just not a thing I'm also starting to think that long term Long-term distros like Kubuntu are not a thing either for me, but your mileage may vary. Anything might not be a thing? I think the, yeah, I think the flavor the month thing is like if you're into hyper-optimization like that can be fun. Like there's some performance stuff with Cashie. Like I was dialing in Ballersgate and was able to get some like real smoky.

Like it felt great. But I did some like custom things to get it there. If you want to do that, I think it makes a lot of sense. But yeah, like when I put it up mint on my laptop, it was just nice. Like, I think I showed you the store. Yeah. I showed somebody on the plane at the store. And I was like, yeah, it's just easy.

Yep. I think there's just a god of irony somewhere that when I was being born was all like, wouldn't it be funny if? there was like this tech media guy and he literally just couldn't use the operating system that was like almost his name huh yeah

now is the time for us to talk about or you're just going to end up getting really good at it no I don't have time to get really good at stuff that is actively fighting me this way Like I can't I can't

Do you want to bring up the store? Sure I always want to tell him to go try mint And then I end up stopping myself Because I'm like I don't Do you really want me to break it? Exactly

Yeah I'd almost rather he did it I'm on it All right You guys asked for zip off pants We got you Zip off pants Dan Luke's green

If you don't mind If some of you remember, about a year ago, Tatiana from the fashion team roasted the zip-off pants in a video about reviewing their boss's setup. The comment section was flooded with replies that you love zip-off pants and that you would get them if we sold them. Well, guess what? Here they are. The zip-off cargo pants are built with the same fabric and same construction as our regular cargoes, feature a total of nine pockets, and now zip off when you want to switch them to shorts. For those who commented, you can get yours now at LMG.gg slash zip-off pants.

Speaking of cargo pants, if you're not a fan of the zip-off feature, guess what? We just launched two new colorways of our regular cargoes. They are now available in Olive Night, and, Naval Academy. They feature 21 pockets total, including four zippered pockets and two magnetic cargo pockets, plus two hammer loops, and as one reviewer put it, an incomprehensible amount of pockets. You can get yours at lmg.g.g.g slash cargo pants. But wait, there's more.

This week is all about utility, and the next item we launched is the lightweight packable jacket. Okay, this is super cool and somehow the coolest thing about it did not end up in the dock. Maybe it's on the page. Does it say where the design was inspired by? You've got to be kidding me. You've got to be kidding me. We don't talk about it? Ah! Okay, well, let's start with. We made the lightweight packable jacket because if you live somewhere like Vancouver, you know the weather can turn on you pretty fast. The whole jacket packs into its own little pocket with a loop and a carabiner so you can clip it onto your backpack or your carry-on. We also added a small embroidered screwdriver on the pouch just for fun.

It doesn't screw anything. It's just a little embroidery thing. It's decently wind-resistant, and it is treated with a PFAS-free DWR, or durable water repellent. So it handles drizzles and light rain. It's perfect for hiking, running, traveling, or just when you're on the go. I am going to call Ms. Bridget to get an answer to this, but you can shop the packable jacket at LM.g.g.g slash packable jacket. Fashion team's been absolutely killing it.

Let's see if she picks up. She might be busy. She's a busy lady. The design, though. The design is inspired by something really cool. I just forget exactly what it is. it's like a microscopic or like electron microscope view of something

all right darn it well I'll have to find that out for you guys next week it's it's super cool what else we got this week oh more topics I guess Luke you want to pick one

yeah sure hold on I'm about to do a thing go for it oh wait no I was supposed to talk about merch Stop it. Stop. Sorry, sorry, checkout messages, comms. If you guys are into interacting with, you know,

live streams or whatever, you're probably familiar with the concept of throwing money at your screen and then maybe they acknowledge you or maybe they just, I don't know, don't, or, you know, whatever. We're not into that. That's why we created checkout messages.

If you guys want to send a message into the show, either to producer Dan, who can reply to them or forward them to someone who can help you out. Do we not have a Dan cam? I'm over here. Oh, no, we have no Dan cam.

Okay, Dan, you'll have to come on over here and wave. What is happening? Why did you do that? No, we can't... We can't see you, Dan. Okay, so it'll either go to producer Dan. Hey, there it is. Nice.

Solid. Run! Who will reply? Fly, you fools. Or he will curate it, and Luke and I will respond to it. So, Dan, do you have a couple curated check-out messages for us this week?

I do. All you got to, oh, right, all you got to do to send one is go to LTTStore.com. Add something to your cart. You'll see the interface for our checkout messages. Bipidi-bap-di, there it is. Go ahead and place your order, and it will go to Dan. There, that was not the most organized we've ever been, but very cool. Wow.

Super professional. You're great at this. Thank you. I've been doing it for a very long time. Ironically, though. Wow. Hi, LD. My Mobo died.

I have a 4. No, 11,400K. Should I pay $100 to $200 replacement, or wait, for the new Intel and get a microcenter bundle, which was the original plan. I'm currently on a good enough laptop. Oh, Dan, do you want to come back to us? Sorry. Nice. Normally our producer doesn't have to actually handle producer things like camera switching, so understandably he's a little behind. I have a few things to worry about right now. Oh, man, 11400K is still a very decent gaming chain.

You've left out some information that I could really use, like what games you play and what GPU you have. Pretty important. I think the bigger question, though, is, should I be spending $100 to $200 to $200 on such a dated platform at this point? 11400K is, what is it, LGA-12, if I recall correctly. So if we go on eBay, I wouldn't buy a brand-new board for it. That's for sure.

LGA-1200 motherboard. Can I get something for less than $100, $200? Yes, I can. So that would be my answer to you, is finding something between now and when Intel's new stuff comes out won't drop in value by that much, so you should only be out shipping

and then seller fees when you get that new board and then resell it, probably alongside your 11400K, because that is still new enough that it is going to be very usable for someone who just wants to play not necessarily the very

latest most AAA games with their RTFS-60 or whatever it is that we're looking at by that point. Playing the second-hand hardware game can be a phenomenal way to get the best value out of your system as you're upgrading.

Oh boy. Are we dead? Are we local recording? If so, we should just keep going. We're not. Do you want to tether your phone? We're back? We're so back.

All right. Why don't we jump right into our next topic? Luke, you want to pick one? Yeah, Meta sends intimate rayband AI glasses footage to human workers in Kenya. There was a joint investigation by Swedish newspapers, SVD, and Guttborg's Posten. I butcher the heck out of that. Good job. found that META sends user footage from its raybant AI glasses to data annotators at Sama,

a subcontractor in Nairobi, Kenya. Over 30 workers were interviewed. Workers said they regularly see footage of users on the toilet, undressing, having very fun alone with one other person time, and exposing bank car details. One said, we see everything from living rooms to naked bodies. They risk losing their jobs if they refuse. to label said content. So they just got to dive on in.

What? There is a third person in the room with you and your really good roommate. Meta says that faces are automatically blurred before reaching workers. So what? Are they going to blur my strawberry? Just as just faces. But employees said the blurring frequently fails. Well, yeah.

Former meta staff in the U.S. confirmed that algorithms sometimes may. miss. Meta's AI terms of service state the company can review user interactions and that review can be automated or manual. The only solution offered is telling users not to share info

they don't want retained. The teams don't say how long data is stored or who sees it. The reporters found meta's wearable privacy policy buried behind multiple links. Swedish retailers gave contradictory answers about data handling

with several incorrectly claiming data stays local. Yeah, right. On anything meta, data staying local, please. Yeah, big time. Testing showed that AI requires server-side processing and cannot work offline. Well, yeah. The UK's ICO called the findings concerning. Yeah, I'd hope so.

And is writing to meta. EU lawyers flagged potential GDPR violations. Yeah, I think so, since there is no adequacy decision, recognizing Kenya's data protection. Yoics had to look up what adequacy meant. So I'm dropping that here in case it's useful. It's a legal term indicating that the European Commission can officially declare that a country outside the EU has data production standards, equivalent to EU standards.

Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't think that Kenya would fall under that. Totally. If a country has that, EU companies can freely transfer personal data there. Kenya doesn't have one yet. Apparently they're trying to get one, which means sending EU user data to SAMA in Kenya may lack the required legal basis under GDPR, at least as of right now.

Meta is rolling out name tag, a facial recognition feature. They should have dong tag. A facial recognition feature for the glasses. An internal memo obtained by New York Times said meta intentionally planned to launch the feature now during what they called a dynamic political environment when civil society groups would be distracted by other concerns. So between the data collection and facial recognition, this feels not great. The funniest part of this to me, there's lots of funny parts of this to me, not least of which would be dong tag. But the funniest part of this to me is every time we've

talked about what the killer app would be. Yeah. For us to go smart glasses, it was the like creepy dystopian facial recognition and like, oh yeah, this is this guy. You had a meeting with him six months ago and he has a dog named this.

I would love for it to only be local, but it will never be from meta. And it would, for me to be comfortable with that thing that would be very useful to me existing, it would have to be opt-in. It would have to all be, It would have to be consensual with the people that you're identifying. But I could see it being great for things like trade shows.

It would be cool if it was like you have a name tag request. Yeah. And you'd be like, yep. And then it like shares your. Yeah. And a similar thing to like the iPhone touch. Yeah. Like social media, social media, but like IRL.

And like before it went crap. Like if it was actual social network. That would be actually really cool. That'd be very cool. Unfortunately, meta moved past being. a social network and became an advertising monstrosity. An antisocial demon. Many, many, many years ago.

Yeah. Many, many years ago. Our discussion question is, is privacy dead? The answer is yes. For sure. But there are things that you can do. There are things that you can do. Like not wearing meta glasses?

Yeah. And avoiding. I've even, I've even wanted to try them because, like, I think I've talked to you about this. Like, I've felt kind of out of touch. Yeah. Because, you know, the new gadget hotness, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, you know, just not using it. Like I'm completely I'm not completely ignorant.

Like I used them a little bit on my trip to Cabo for Christmas. David and I used them when we shot the Costco PC. So we just had one pair of glasses, totally inconspicuous, right? Because we were just stealth filming. So we had one pair of glasses and we would switch depending on who was on camera to share them.

That's pretty funny. Yeah. So I've used them a little and like honestly I've got to say they do some pretty cool stuff. Yeah. But this is horrible. Yeah. But I mean, there is still stuff you can do. Like we were talking about earlier, you have Linux on one of your laptops that can help.

A lot of people, even outside of the either, you know, pirate hatwares, tricorns, or people that are like, oh, my God, I don't want the government seeing all my secret information. Even people outside of those spheres are just getting a little. tired of like videos of them going to the toilet being sent to Kenya. Okay, hear me out. Maybe, maybe I just want my data to be my freaking own and they're just self-hosting. Hear me out. We all start wearing hijabs. I'm good. You can't steal my face. You can't steal my face if I don't show my face in public. I think you can have it at that point. Do you think so? Yeah. 21 says, I'm in.

Oh, man. Oh, apparently we're supposed to do sponsors. I thought the sponsor was just Threat Locker. They already had a whole segment on the show, Dan. How much did they pay for this? Said Float Point announcement first. Okay, Float Plain announcement. Go ahead.

Or should you want me to do it. Okay. The first part of the Linux challenge video is out early on Flowplane. The video fully goes over everyone's reasoning, So it's me, Elijah, and Luke are installations, and we go through PopOS continuing to be Linus's downfall. Sammy writes, personally, I can't wait for people to clip Linus using Chat GPT out of context and say, why is the biggest tech YouTuber using AI summaries to find the best Linux? You deserve the downfall.

You're just the best for my hen anime. That's a direct quote from Sammy. I do not take responsibility for that. Also, if you guys enjoyed the reboot video, we've got extras. It is 27 minutes of raw, hardcore hardware fixing the D1 deck with Mark. Oh, no, it's cool. I watched the behind-the-scenes?

Yeah, that one I watched for sure. Dude, it's like... Oh, the behind-the-scenes I haven't seen yet. I watch the whole main video. There's 27 minutes of us just like working on the D-1 deck. Mark is so knowledgeable, and he's so well spoken. He just, he did such a great job.

He's got a great voice. Not just of doing the work to make reboot, rewind, happen, but of explaining it. Because a lot of the time you get people who are just like, let's say, super focused. Let's use that word. And they're really great at doing incredible stuff. But people don't properly.

appreciate it because they don't know how to present what they've done and communicate it in a way that relates with people. Mark, he's got the whole package, man. And so as he's walking me through everything we're doing on this old like third of a million dollar tape deck, it was so much fun. There's so much to learn. And he just did such a great job. It's totally worth watching. You can go check it out at lmg.g.g.g slash FPWAN. The show is brought to today by threat locker. Every day, hacks and data breaches are happening at companies all around the world. And it would be nice to think that multi-factor authentication would be enough, but fishing websites have gotten pretty good at mimicking MFA sites. But our sponsor, Threat Locker, uses zero trust

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threatlocker.com slash LTT. Go back to the two? Hey, there we go. And you can see, we're actually here in their studio today. We were just at Zero Trust World on stage. I thought we did okay. Adam Savage was talking, and I have once again managed to not meet him.

I don't know how I've traveled in the circles that I've traveled in, while he's been traveling in the circles he's traveled in, and I have somehow never managed to cross his path. He's pretty cool guy. I'm looking forward to it, though. Yeah, he's met him. He likes the screwdriver. Really?

He also really liked the really big screwdriver. He likes the screwdriver. Yeah. I mean... He also really like the really big screwdriver. He might, I know, you know. I mean, he's a man who knows tools. He actually, he turned me on to...

He turned to you on. To a particular tool. I'll accept tool file, but I don't know if I'm a savage file. But he turned me on to, what are they called? Basically, they're like a special plier. It has like a grippy, locky thing here. And then you put like, I think it's called aircraft cable, just like that wire that's great for, like, making hooks and hangers and stuff.

and then you just like pull a thing, you pull like a plunger and it twists it and makes it into like a twisted thing. Someone, anyone? No, not forceps for crying out loud, you guys. Safety wire pliers? Safety wire pliers, is that it? No idea. I think that's what they're called.

He made a video about them and it like seriously, yeah, yeah, these are the ones. And that seriously helped me with my, motorcycle painting project. Are you gonna show the screen? Dan? He's not gonna show the screen. He doesn't want you to see it. No, Dan doesn't want you to see it so I'm going like this. There. Forget it. Forget it. We're over it. But those are super cool. He's so petulant. Petulant man. You know what else is super cool? Legos smart brick is here and it's got some actually kind of neat tech. I had really

wanted this for tonight show. I thought I thought this would have gone pretty hard. They're done pretty well. Lego has released their new smart play sets, starting with eight Star Wars builds like Luke's Red 5X Wing and Darth Vader's tie fighter. Weird, it's like they know the popular stuff. I know. Each powered by a new electronic smart brick that adds lights, sound effects, and interactive reactions. Inside the smart brick is essentially a tiny computer built around a custom ASIC chip smaller than a standard Lego stud. The brick also includes motion sensors, a speaker, and LEDs so it can react when the model moves, fires, or interacts with characters.

The system also uses smart tags and smart mini figures, which contain unique identifiers that the brick can detect using near field sensing through internal copper coils. That makes sense now. When a tagged figure or piece is placed nearby, the brick will trigger the appropriate. sound or lighting effects. How cool is this? Multiple smart bricks can also connect together wirelessly using a Bluetooth-based system called Bricknet, allowing different sets

to synchronize effects and interact with each other. Okay. Now, our discussion question here, though, is one for the ages. Does adding electronics and wireless connectivity make Lego not Lego anymore? Does it take the imagination? when you're not doing mouth sound effects for the X-Wing, have we lost something or have we gained something?

Come on, guys. Hit us up in the chat. I want to know what you guys think about this. I have kind of a two-prong answer. I think for kids, you lost something. I think for adults, you might have gained something. I think the ability to have fun with the, I'm going to do the Vader voice and do all that kind of stuff,

kind of fades a little bit. But I think it would actually be worse and less mentally stimulating and stuff. kids who would naturally engage with those things, making the noise effects themselves. All right, I got some bad news for you. Here we go. It's specifically targeted to kids. They seem to be, for the most part.

I mean, it's old Star Wars references, so it might not be. That's true. That's true. Okay, let's have a look here. Okay, Dan, you've got my screen. Yeah, here we go. Oh, my God. Okay, so there's the smart brick.

Okay, blah, blah. Smart play system. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Okay, show me some smart sets. They're pretty small. Pretty small. So there's kind of, I can see what you mean, Luke. There's kind of conflicting, there's some conflicting information factors.

Because like a lot of adults that I know that are into Lego build them very much as like showpieces. Yeah, this would not be a good showpiece. They buy a kit. They build it exactly as it's supposed. supposed to be done and then they leave it exactly as it is. A lot of kids like when I was growing, I didn't care about the kit at all. I wanted the pieces and then I

just build random stuff. So it's like two extremely different ways of engaging with it. And if you're just building a kit and you want to look cool and sound cool, smart brick, sweet. Sounds good. This is looking pretty rough, dude. Not going to lie. $90 for this.

Three stars. Three stars, boys. That smart is expensive. Okay. Where are the low reviews? Good idea. Poor execution. The X-wing looks like a 4-plus set.

They mean age. And the integration of the smart brick compromises the look of the fighter too much. Ooh. The back of the R2 looks terrible to accommodate the smart tag. Yeah. And that price...

Ooh. Ooh. Oh. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. Yikes. Well, that's unfortunate. You know what else is unfortunate? An Amazon change means that wish lists might expose your address. Amazon is changing how they work starting March 25th, and the company is removing the option that allowed users to restrict purchases to only items sold by Amazon. meaning that items on your list can now be fulfilled by third-party sellers, even if you previously blocked them.

This change means that those sellers will receive your shipping address in order to fulfill your order. And because these independent merchants handle their own shipping and tracking, your full address could appear in delivery updates or tracking information that buyers see. Amazon says the goal is to give buyers access to a wider selection of items, but it is warning users to switch their wish list delivery address to a PO box or non-residential address if they share lists with the public. So by buyers, they mean the buyers who are, like for your gift registry, for instance. No, I understand. But my brain immediately went to gift registry, and I was thinking most of those wouldn't care too much. Unless you're a Twitch streamer.

Or something. And a lot of the or something. Yep. I think it's mostly the or something. thing. I shouldn't need a PO box. No? It's not a bad idea to have one,

but I just, you know, wish I didn't need one. You don't? I just mean in general. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you still don't, though. What would you do? Your office is, I would just ship it to the office.

Oh, what, okay, I know. I was talking from like a more general sort of standpoint. I never had a wish list. I think most of the wish lists are the or something. category, which I'm for sure not in. And then in that case, I mean, I'll just flip the thing, right? Can you clarify what you mean by or something? Because I think I'm losing you here.

Oh, like, OnlyFans and stuff. Oh! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Lordy. I think most of the usage out of this outside of Registries is going to be that. Is there something else? Is that a thing? I don't know.

This is genuine safety hazard for women. I don't think, like, I don't know. Okay. It's not just us. A thousand percent only fans. Yes, it's a thing. Yes, it's a thing. Buying gifts.

But like money is so easy to send. Isn't that more convenient? No idea, dude. Well, no, they're telling, they're saying it's a thing. No, I know, but you're saying, like, I don't know what the, like, I don't know the reason. Like, I just, I don't really. Most models have a public Amazon wish list. Why?

I've not a clue. Are people? more likely to like stretch and spend a little bit more if they if they buy you a gift versus if it's money it's been a thing for Twitch streamers for years and years okay okay yes it absolutely is exposing the person's address is especially dangerous to the one on Twitch knowledge okay totally yeah for sure feels more personal remember these are

Are people looking for a connection. For professional work, you can probably get a PO box. Right, but a PO box is inconvenient because you have to go to it. And like, you know, going all the way somewhere for the things that people bought you. You might be able to get a career service? That's terrible. No, you totally could. You totally could.

You could get the Uber package thing to go to your PO box and bring it to your house. You could totally do that. You could definitely do it. I think the big problem is, well, it's saying like, that it could be from third party people now and you'd have to update your stuff but I don't think this is going to screw over anyone that's currently on there

because they would only have things that are fulfilled by Amazon is that right? Yeah. So it would just be as you're updating your list don't add things. Not fulfilled by Amazon. It could be fulfilled by anyone. That's the problem.

No, I know. That's the change. Got it. So what I'm saying is if you already had a list, I don't think it's going to suddenly compromise you because I think you would have only only been able to add things that were fulfilled by Amazon. Yeah, but you can't control where things are fulfilled by. Sometimes it changes.

Okay, so you don't add a specific listing. Because the specific listings are fulfilled. It's fixed fulfillment, right? I don't think so. I don't know. I think, yeah, no, I think a listing can be fulfilled by multiple places. Do the Amazon. Graphene OS is coming to Motorola phones in 27.

Motorola made the announcement at the Mobile World Congress earlier this week. For those unfamiliar, GrapheneOS is a security and privacy-focused fork that features significantly improved sandboxing, exploit mitigation, and permission models. The deal depends on Lenovo-owned Motorola producing hardware that satisfies the unique demands of Graphene OS, which is a standard that most current Android hardware doesn't meet. currently Graphene OS is supported on Google Pixel 6 through pixel 10 devices according to a post on Graphene OS's Twitter account support for Motorola devices is expected to start with 2027 flagship devices and may expand to a broader range over time Our discussion question is Linus tries Graphene OS episode 2 win

I would actually I think this is genuinely compelling I would love to give it another shot yeah genuinely I think this is really cool actually I probably won't yet. There were a lot of things that I ran into with Graphene OS that just were not really compatible with all the services and all of the applications that I use,

at least with the amount of work that I wanted to put into getting it all set up and working correctly. Okay. But I think they can get there. Do you think that's a normal amount of resistance? And your answer is very likely just going to be like, Yes, to be clear. But do you think that's a normal amount of resistance to work for an average user,

or is that a resistance to work because you switch phones every freaking month? Oh, definitely. So you think it's more of that? Oh, yeah. So you'd be more willing to, if you were not switching phones. If I was not switching phones all the time as a hardware tech hardware person, and if my job wasn't so dependent on my phone. Yeah.

If I just used my phone as a phone. for a lot of people is fairly true. Totally fine. Then I would be strongly considering GraphenOS at this point. Nice. Seagate is shipping 44 terabyte drives to the data center. Ten platters. That's all.

That's all I really wanted to say. They use hammer, so it'll heat a tiny section of the disk to over 400 degrees Celsius in nanoseconds, which temporarily reduces the magnetic coercivity to allow data writing. Hammer allows for higher capacities and more stable storage than conventional magnetic recording or shingled magnetic recording freaking hard drives are still

doing stuff Hammer drives are so sick They're so cool It's actually so cool It took forever They were so far behind roadmap But now that they're here Well sort of here

I mean you can't buy a hard drive to save your life Plouf is working on a Like an I Built an ass video And it's funny He actually had a line in the script that I turned to him and I was like, really? Because he said something along the lines of like, I've never done a storage or networking video

in the five years I've been at LMG. And I was like, oh yeah. I mean, not everybody knows everything. The man owns a display, certainly. We could say that with absolute perfect certainty. But owns a NAS, we couldn't say until now. So we're doing that NAS video. anyway, and he had to

go all the way to it was either Calgary or Edmonton, one of the Albertan cities to find hard drives. It's not just a question of price. It's a question of in-stock at all. Can I find

a hard drive right now? It's getting pretty nuts because just everything is going to the data center. And just like with RAM, where you might think intuitively, but I don't need the server ram. Surely the desktop ram would be perfectly not supply constrained

for hard drives. Okay, even though consumers don't need to buy 44 terabyte hammer drives, well, yeah, but those same platters could be used to build a lower capacity drive. Now they won't. Get wrecked. Yeah. You're done, bud. Yeah. Speaking of the ongoing memory crisis, Analyst firm Gartner is predicting that entry-level non-gaming PCs under $500 will have, this is a quote, disappeared by 2028, and they predict that worldwide PC shipments will decline 10.4% in 2026.

The firm expects memory costs to rise as much as 23%, to be as much as 203%. to be as much as 23% of the total Bill of Materials Price, Good Lord, up from 16% in 2025. However, not everybody agrees. Tech radar writer Desire Atho reminds us that Gartner also predicted that Windows phone would overtake the iPhone by 2015 and that NFTs would be foundational to the brands of 50% of publicly traded companies by 2024.

So, yeah, just throwing that out there. That's a pretty good thing to point out. And also, you know, Apple just released a MacBook that is technically sub-500 if you jump through the, from my understanding, educational hoops, fairly small hoops to get the educational discount. That's something that I actually wish I had emphasized more in our launch day coverage, that you can get this thing for $500. I didn't realize how apparently, this is just from like Americans commenting on the video,

but how apparently, like, trivial it is to get the educational discount, even if you don't happen to be a teacher or student. Fantastic topic. Microslop bans the word microslop in its Discord server. Microsoft has been fighting a losing battle against the community in its official co-pilot Discord server and have filtered the words microslop from use in the server. Users quickly circumvented the term with elite speak.

So Microsoft began locking access to certain parts of the server and disabling posting permission for some users. And now SloppySoft is in the news for it. Why would they stricent effect this? I don't know, but I love it. When I saw it, I was like... I was so happy about this. Anyone who gets banned from that server is like, that's a badge of honor.

That's so sick. I kind of want to go over there and just see if I can get banned from that server. Now that they're drawing attention to it by banning the word and by taking action against their community, it's so much funnier. Oh, it's so funny. It's gone from like, ha ha, that's pretty clever, to like, oh, Microsoft. Maybe if someone tries to tell me Linux takes, I'll just be like, are you banned from the Microsoft official co-pilot Discord server? If not. I'm not listening.

Forget it. I don't have to listen to you. Yeah, you're not Linux enough. what else we got here yahoo is selling n gadget there's a couple key things to take away from this one is that yahoo still exists and the second is that bummer

because n gadget was decent at some point and more consolidation of what precious little remains of independent tech media sucks our discussion question is Has Yahoo ever sold a company for more than what they paid for it? I genuinely don't know the answer, but it's a hilarious question. Calm down, stock info app.

Now Dan is going to have an aneurism if we don't switch over to checkout messages, but there's one more thing that we really wanted to talk about really quick here. Hours after the government blocklisted Anthropic for refusing to let the Pentagon use cloud without safety guardrails. and yes, that's how I like to pronounce it now. Cloud? Boot Somelier Scam Altman. Love it. Swooped in announcing that OpenAI

sound a deal with the Department of War, which is not actually renamed, but that's what people are calling it. ChatGPT uninstalls surged 295%. Cloud shot to number one on the app store and OpenAI employees signed an open letter supporting Anthropic. Altman admitted that the deal looked opportunistic and sloppy. It was.

And said that OpenAI is amending the contract to prohibit domestic surveillance of Americans and to bar intelligence agencies like the NSA from using OpenAI without a separate contract. Okay. According to The Verge, though, the Pentagon never budged on its terms. Yeah, as far as my understanding goes, their contract just isn't as tight as, as, I got this from lemonade stand, I think their contract just isn't as tight as anthropics. And what it says is that it doesn't say that they can't do that.

It says that they have to follow the law. Well, OpenAI's former head of policy research came out and said that employees should assume that Open AI caved and is just framing it as not caving. Yeah. Yeah. But like the way that they caved is that they said that they have to follow the law. But then if I remember correctly, the Pentagon can just like not. so it actually just means nothing.

I think that's how that works. The autonomous weapons ban is similarly weak. It only applies where current law or policy requires human control, and current policy doesn't. Exactly the point. Yeah. Oh, no, we were getting to that. Yeah, yeah.

We were getting to that. All right, Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple of checkout messages? Wait, there's no way you can change the lights here. Can you? Purple, please. Is that a thing? No, no purple. No, that's fine.

How's my mic? Let's see here. Maybe you may bring that up a little bit. He's working on it. Hey, LLD, I need a tech tip. Should I be worried about added latency when using a KVM? Sharing a desk with the GF and want to share peripherals, but not at the price of my absolute gaming prowess.

I don't believe so. Okay. To be clear, from my understanding, are KvMs that do add latency. However, here we go. I suspect Wendell. I suspect Wendell's are like virtually zero. Yeah, Wendell has replied

to this user, Sly Joker, over on the level one text forums that Dan is eventually going to, there we go, saying, I would try moving the Logitech stuff to USB3. Usually what you're describing is a symptom of problems on USB3. Blah, blah, blah, blah, get that you have

the mismatch of installed version of Logitec utilities could cause issues. So, From his understanding, it sounds like, no, latency should not be an issue if you are using a quality KVM. And I have not personally noticed a difference using the level one text KVM. It is not cheap, but it is a high quality piece of kit and high quality stuff sometimes isn't cheap. No apologies for that. I have experienced very, very old, very, very cheap KVMs. Are you talking like those purple ones?

I barely even remember. PS2 in the VGA. I mean, PS2 probably wouldn't have any additional latency anyway. It was a long time ago, and they definitely did add some. Yeah, we got VNG Supernova and chat saying I use a level one text KVM and have no noticeable change. I also have a level one text KVM and has never, I've never noticed a problem. Cool. Love the precision kit. That's probably a bit too quiet there. Love the precision kit.

Buying one is a grad gift for a student worker. What do you like to keep in your tech sack? He's checking. He's checking. I'm checking. I'm checking. Yeah, someone said buy once, cry once meta. My level one text, KVM is like old and also flawless. All right. So in here, I have a scribe driver. That's not really the designated pen spot, but I like it there because I can access it without opening up this monster and having to dig through it.

I carry one of our little bit sets with all of my knot in the screwdriver bits. So I've got my metric hex, my imperial hex, and all my most common torques sizes. Those are the ones that really come up for me in daily use. I got my pliers, my side cutters, a regular screwdriver, a stubby screwdriver, one of our extensions. I apparently also have another one of our pens. Whoops, okay, well, that's not supposed to be in there. Get, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, get a thermal paste. We've got a chalk marker.

That's only in there because of a recent video. So that's not going to normally be in there. I'll take that out. I've got a two and a half gigabit framework Ethernet adapter. That comes in handy way, way more often than you guys would think. So you can use it with anything USBC. Yeah. It doesn't even have to be a framework.

It's pretty freaking useful. I've got this ancient Patriot 64 gig. You recognize that. Yeah, buddy. I've used that a bunch. I've got a little, uh, This is a sabrant 4 terabyte, if I recall correctly, so I need to move like bulk stuff fast. I've got, dude, do you recognize this?

Yeah, oh, yeah. My Molex stripper that was given to me by Charles Harwood, the creator of MurderBox and pro pro pro pro forma, forma X, whatever, whatever he rebranded it, that crazy, super expensive case. I've got, oh, yeah, always one of these. So a little 3.5 millimeter breakout in case you have a recessed port that you can't get at. I have, of course, our precision screwdriver set. I've got some medical tape. This is great for attaching lav microphones. Oh, always one of these.

USB to 4-pole audio, 3.5 millimeter. You never know when you're just like not going to have audio. That's another one that you've been using this for like over a decade easily. Oh, yeah. Probably closer to... Oh yeah, buddy. Mechanical pencil. This is in the wrong thing.

Okay, there you go. It's one of our scribe driver mechanical pencils. You probably recognize this. This is a tool for... Just like the other one from Molex. This is for a deep-pinning ATX and EPS and PCIE connectors. It has saved my bacon so many times. I've got a dead SSD that is probably dead because I keep it in my tech sac

without anything around it. That's the one that I tried to install Linux on. and did not work. So that's unfortunate. I've got a USBC to displayport framework thing. That was from when I was daily driving the framework. I haven't been lately, but it was in case I needed a DP out. I've also got, what's this? Oh, yeah, emergency microSD and emergency SD card. Always got to have that in case the camera ops forget. This is my old portable drive.

I've forgotten to take it out of here, that old Angelbird one. Finally, I still use mine. I've got a USB 2 drive. You never know. when a motherboard is not going to accept a USB 3 drive. Sometimes it really just boots off USB 2. For bios flashing. Yep. Yep. And then I've got a handful of more SSDs that are for installing more SSDs for the Linux Challenge.

There, that's my tech sack. You're welcome. Nice. Hello, Linus, Luke, and Demand. Linus, as an FFT fan playing Chronicles, how do you feel about things like the J.P. Scroll glitch being fixed? Does this improve the game or take away nostalgia? Oh, I am not familiar with the J.P. Scroll glitch.

What is it? You could glitch the game to give certain classes to instant 9,999 job points, so you could just learn all the abilities. I mean, I would have fixed to that if I was them. that's not like oh man I don't think you bother if you have to go away

of your way to solve it as a single player game who cares hmm yeah I guess I never minded the grind

it's like that thing you go to the doctor and you're like when I punch myself in the arm it hurts and they're like don't do that yeah

I've beaten it Man, this is a tough one because the only people who need this glitch would be probably people who are playing on like tactician difficulty but don't want to grind because you don't need to grind if you're playing on a regular difficulty

but then I think the definition of grinding has changed a little bit these days in the remaster you can skip random battles. So in the days when you couldn't skip random battles there wasn't really you didn't have to grind to like beat the game at normal difficulties

naturally. Right. But now, if you were to skip random battles and do only story battles, and you just wanted

to, like, have lots of cool abilities and fight through the story, I could see, I would, I could see them fixing the glitch,

but I could also see them doing something similar to what they've done for some of the, from the, some of the re-releases of other older Final Fantasy like when I played through

FF9 on PC, it had just like a 9,999 damage mode that you could just like toggle at any time if you're just bored of a fight and you just want to finish it, I could see them just having like a cheat that you can just enable like an assist.

We don't call them cheats anymore. We call them assists. I could see them re-implementing it that way. Hi, Wanda D.L. Love the content, but got to save up for the produce. Would love to get some of the cargo pants for work, but I must have black work trousers. Why no black?

Feel like 250 characters would be better. I gotta be honest with you We just didn't I I don't have a good I don't have a good reason for us to not have black cargo pants Maybe someday we will I like black cargo pants

That yeah black cargo pants would be pretty sick It won't be anytime soon though Because we just launched as you know two new colors Yeah But yeah maybe Last one I'm out for you today Cool new set Linus

Do you remember the first PC slash part That you toasted I do. It was a sound card. I didn't realize that the CD audio connector was not a floppy power connector. Oh my God. So I plugged a floppy power connector into it and I released the Magic Blue Smoke and I learned. I learned all about not to plug in a thing that I don't recognize into another thing I don't recognize. It fits on. The spacing's right. I think mine was one of your motherboards. Oh, thanks for that.

I'm not even kidding. I know that I had mineral oil on my hand at one point, and I was handling a hard drive, and it slipped out of my hand and hit the ground. Nice. But I have some memory that it, like, still worked. They're surprisingly resilient for how... Yeah, because it wasn't, like, running.

It might have died. I don't remember. Yeah. You know what else I don't remember? Ending the show, because you haven't yet? That thing you do at the end of the show, can you do it? I think you have to do yours first. I think it's an order of operations problem. You think so?

I think so. So first I would have to say, we'll see you again next week, same bad time, same bad channel, and then you would say... And then I would say, bye! Wait, did this dream die? I think it died anyways.