The WAN Show - I’m a Tesla Driver Now - WAN Show September 18, 2026
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Going on vacation?
We're here for it.
With kids, who turned the backseat into a courtroom drama
over whose tablet is louder, whose charger is faster,
and while watching the same cartoon for the hundredth time is a human right?
Yep, we totally have vehicles to handle that,
because whether it's a road trip or a business trip,
where your flight's delayed, your phone's at 2% and your dinner is whatever is open.
Yeah, here for that too.
Enterprise, we're here for it.
Happy Friday and welcome to the WAN show.
Oh, because of the grass and the fire and just like the vibe of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, we could have a more chill vibe.
I don't know if it should be brought to you by a certain, you know, DJ or anything like that.
You know what?
No, let's still be WAN show.
I think WAN show is best.
We've got a fantastic show lined up for you guys today.
The Steam Frame is available.
Now we have lots of thoughts about the Steam Frame.
I also brought our steam frame.
I was going to say, because I don't necessarily have many.
Two set.
But I will.
You can see it.
I'll have some.
Something I have a lot of thoughts on, though, that I have not shown you guys yet,
because obviously we published our review of the Steam Frame,
is Colton and I have started the Great Swapening.
He's driving my car, and I'm not driving any car.
I have been experiencing a car is driving you.
Tesla's branding.
for it is full self-driving, but of course it is their very advanced level two driver assist
system over the course of the week. And I've definitely got some thoughts to share about that.
Yeah, I did even worse than normal. I didn't prep literally anything. And Amazon Data Center
was struck by Iran and there was a permanent loss of customer data. Yeah, I think there's a
conversation to be had in there around the cloud and how we just trust it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe we
shouldn't. Uh, what else in here? Oh no. Oh yeah. I'm going to talk about this. Uh, we're getting a new Diablo and
Starcraft game. Uh, they're still years away from release. And we got an expansion for Warcraft 3.
after all these years.
I think this part I'm only think
because I didn't actually watch this part of the presentation
but I think we got an expansion for Diablo 2
and there's a Witcher 3
expansion coming
and there's like a Final Fantasy 7
expansion coming?
Everything old is new.
Not D2, okay.
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Let's jump right into our headline topic here, which is, I have been driving a hardware for
Model 3.
And I got to say, other than the one time that it almost plowed me into a car, I'm kind of
blown away.
Now, my expectations were obviously going to be higher than the comma AI, because the comma
AI was running on essentially a glorified note 9.
And it just kind of bolts into any old car, even ones that are not designed with enough
motor power to fully steer.
Like it's mostly just, it's better lane keep assist, right?
Powered by, you know, powered by AI and machine vision, right?
whereas, you know, Tesla for over 10 years now, I guess, has been trying to get to full autonomous driving with these cars.
So, you know, obviously things that are solved problems, like, oh, we should probably have a motor moving the steering wheel that can, has enough torque.
That we've had for a long time.
It's just been figuring out the machine vision side of it in order to properly.
navigate the physical world with those motors. And there are some elements of it that, man, I got to say,
you know, like Tesla, don't like Tesla, whatever you feel about their leadership, we did a, we did a
lunch outing. We were shooting an AMD Ultimate Tech upgrade. And so we all piled into the car because
I was like, hey, who here has tried? I hate the branding for it. Because it's, it does full self-drive.
But it's not certified.
It's not validated.
Tesla doesn't publish proper time between disengagement and safety records.
They're not doing the work that they need to do to make it full self-driving in an official capacity.
But they call it that, which has been a huge part of my objection to their approach over the years.
I think it's really dangerous to brand things, something that they are not.
like if you had a pill that was like, you know, fix your erection pill and 99% of the time it fixes your erection.
And then other times, maybe it causes your erection to plow into another erection.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like if it, if it, you get where I'm going with this, right?
In an undesired way.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
Yeah.
Like, not an intentional way.
Which would be fine if that's your thing, right?
The point is just that, you know, you.
You got to call something what it is.
Interrection crash.
Yeah, like most of the time, most of the time, Viagra pill.
There was no docks involved.
So, basically, I was chatting with the other guys on the shoot, and I was like, okay, who wants to try full self-driving?
And I'm like, oh, okay, let's go try it.
You know, oh, I'm a little, you know, I'm a little nervous about, you know, whatever.
It took us from the place that it parked that morning.
all the way to the wonderful little Filipino grill restaurant that we went to,
all the way to the parking lot, it like missed a parking stall and, you know, took us for a lap,
which I'm allowing it to do as part of this experiment.
So I've got cameras all over it, right?
I got camera pointing out the front, two cameras pointing into the cabin.
I've got, I think we've got a rear camera setup.
I've got like a nice little boom mic.
So I'm doing like 30 days of letting it drive me.
Can you get the recordings from its cameras?
You can.
but I'm not using those ones.
I've got like better dash cam cameras that I'm running.
And so once it did a lap, I like, I just parked it myself.
But, you know, no matter who you talk to who was in that car, it was like, okay, that was pretty cool.
Why did you park it?
Because it couldn't find the parking stall.
Oh, I thought it did the lap to come back to it because it, okay, got it.
It did the lap because it like got there and was like, Hermdy, Hermdy, Hermdy, ermdy, der.
which it does sometimes.
I really wish it made those noises.
There's two points.
I have completed more zero intervention trips
than I have completed trips that required an intervention.
And that is even factoring in interventions
that were like, no, I have to park.
The ones, the only two that are, where it has done
anything that I was like, I need to take control right now for reasons, was one, we somehow managed
to like key in navigation, start full self-driving, somehow it got confused, which could have been
user error, and it was full self-driving without a destination.
Oh.
And it did a really weird thing at an intersection.
We've got it all on camera because that's sort of the point of this exercise.
You can expect this will make the cut.
Where it pulls up to this intersection, it signals left.
and then just plows through
and there was a car turning left
facing us.
So that was a potentially dangerous situation
because it was a two lane street
so they could have seen our signal and gone
well I can also turn.
That would have been legal from their standpoint.
And then the other time that it darted out
and I had to like rip away control
was in the parking lot at smash champs.
I pulled in and someone was coming out
and it just decided to steer right into them.
Nose to nose.
I don't know that it would have hit them.
because the only way to find that out for sure
would be to let it do it.
Yeah, yeah, that's a no.
We're not doing that because that's not even legal
even if I wanted to do that.
The whole idea and the reason that it's a level two driving assist
is that I'm supposed to be ready to take control.
But other than that, for the last few days,
where I've driven around quite a lot,
like to work, from work,
going picking up kids, dropping off kids,
I had the lunch outing.
It's pretty impressive.
okay there was another thing
it wasn't able to start
a trip once
because the sun was bright
so the bright sun
was low on the horizon
and shining into the camera
and it couldn't see for shit
and this is where
the part of this
conversation
where I go
it's like magic
it's incredible
no matter who you are
you get out and you're like wow
kind of hits up against
a reality wall, and that is that
Tesla decided a number of years back
that they were committed to camera only.
And I'm looking at it going.
For anyone, for whom that was not
obviously a bad decision,
I don't know what to tell you.
I don't know, I don't know what facts
or what, I don't know how to explain
in any way that,
that I think would come, would get through, that that was just obviously wrong.
And, you know, the justification that you hear for camera only is like, well, you know, humans just have cameras.
Right?
We crash all, so many cars.
And also we don't just have cameras.
We have our ears.
We have, we have our, you know, I hate to call it that.
I'm not someone who believes in ESP or psychic abilities or whatever, but, you know, we have a bit of sixth sense.
We have a bit of like, like, subconscious pattern recognition, you know, pattern.
You can notice one car acting a little bit weird and having seen this before and then no to avoid it.
The back of the hair on the back of your neck stands up.
You know, like we have intuition that a machine cannot have and will never have.
And there are things that the machine is doing a really great job of already, like today.
Like I was really impressed
I hope this makes the cut
But I was in the parking lot here actually at work
And buddy's got a dog
He's way off to the side
But we slow down
The car slowed itself down
It was like the dog might bolt
Maybe was the thought process
Or the thought process, right?
And
And I was really impressed by that
I was also really impressed by a situation
where I had a car that was kind of like
kind of half pulled off to the side.
And we just slowed down to a very reasonable speed
and went around.
We crossed the line to get around.
Really impressed by that.
But then I go to start a drive
and the sun is low and it's like, sorry, sir.
Also, by the way, your windshield wipers
because it's like confused.
It thinks there's like rain on the windshield
or something because there's like a bit of dust
that's getting caught in the light.
How did it feel compared to your comma
AI experience?
Well, I came into both of them with very different expectations.
Comma AI is the first gen.
I haven't even tried the next gen yet.
I really want to try the next gen.
I think maybe that'll be the next sort of driver challenge that I do.
But the first gen was never intended to full self-drive you anywhere.
And not even like beta or like alpha version of the software.
It simply does not integrate navigational data.
All it can do is when you signal.
like super advanced and nudge it.
It can lane change.
It can lane keep really, really, really well.
Sorry, did you say the next version is integrated with maps?
I don't know if it does.
I know there's a new one.
I don't know exactly what it does because I'm not working on it right now,
so I haven't really looked into it.
But the first gen that I have used was basically a note nine
in terms of the hardware.
Like it was actually like a 10-year-old cell phone, basically.
So the fact that it was able to do what it was able to do
was already really impressive to me, and the fact that it was doing it at a really reasonable
price, and that you could just bolt it onto, not any car, but just about any car, so to
speak, and have it enhance your in a straight line, autonomous-ish experience was really impressive
to me. But, see, the thing about Tesla is that they set very different expectations. They
call it full self-driving. They've been promising six months, next year, whatever, for
a decade now.
So the expectations are, well, then it should be able to do this.
I mean, they are supposedly launching, like, cyber cab, like imminently.
Yeah.
And so my expectations then are totally different.
If it doesn't completely take me start to finish, well, then it's below expectations.
Whereas the comma AI, if it does anything useful with this note 9 that I bolted to my windshield,
then I'm really impressed.
So it's hard, it's not really an apples to apples comparison.
It's hard to really, it's hard to compare the two.
Are you looking at the new comma?
I was, yeah.
Oh, well, it's gone.
I just closed it.
Nice.
What does the, what does the new one do?
Seems like the same stuff.
comma four, lane centering, adaptive crews, reduced fatigue, cloud devs camp.
Yeah.
And you know what?
Whether you're, whether you're looking at like the Tesla system or whether you're looking at just upgrading your level two autonomy,
it does make a difference to fatigue.
you feel more energized, or I do anyway, I feel more energized, especially on like a long commute.
Like there were a couple long drives I did on the commos, like an hour and a half of being stuck in traffic heading into Abbotsford.
Yeah, that would be nice.
Like I got to drop my kids off at some stupid volleyball meet or whatever.
Not stupid, you know, very smart volleyball meat.
I don't know, whatever.
The point is I love my kids.
I don't love driving around.
And so being able to put a little bit more of my attention to, you know,
talking to my son instead of like, um, instead of micromanaging, you know, how fast I'm going or
exactly if I'm I centered in the lane or whatever. It just, it reduces the brain fatigue a little bit.
Even just like subconsciously, you just feel less drained. Like, if you ever done a really long commute
for a really extended period of time, Dan, you ever done a long commute for like a while?
Yeah, I mean like driving down to Seattle might be a good example. No, I don't mean like one drive.
Like, I mean, like, have you lived an hour for?
from work before.
Yeah, yeah, I would say so.
Not in a way
that I think would be fair in answering
your question, so I think I would say no.
I've had it where it's like, it's that
but three days a week or something.
Even when I was young,
commuting from Maple Ridge to UBC
took,
just, it's like getting
hit by a brick wall.
Like just, you're so,
the mental drain of like
like arriving at school, having already been dialed for an hour and 45 minutes, and then
needing to be dialed again at the end of a long day of learning.
And then dialing your way back home. Yeah. And then you need to do all the homework.
Same thing for me when I went to BCIT. That assumes I did the homework. But yeah, sure.
Homework? I mean, I did not get a degree. So let's not assume I did homework.
Did you, Dan? What? Did you make it through BCIT without doing homework?
homework? No. Yeah, no, no. It was gonna be like what? It was 40 hours a week of classes.
Yeah. If I if I could have had a comma AI or if I could if you had told if you had told like
18, 19 year old me who was doing that commute that I could spend a thousand dollars on a comma
or like $1,200 a year on like a like an FSD subscription, it might have been worth it to me.
just for that just like straight line
I can I can I can I can I can I can just be ready to take over instead of actually fully operating the vehicle
If I was on the highway every day I feel like I would want a comma I
Oh yeah
Get rage induced very fast on highways oh really people drive me nuts
Oh that's interesting you're a road rage guy
I don't know if I would fully say that I get agitated I guess well you don't act on it but like just you
but you have like the natural inclination.
Yeah.
Oh, that's very interesting.
People just do a lot of stupid junk on highways and it drives me nuts.
Like, I don't know.
Very frustrating.
Huh.
I mean, yeah, people definitely do dumb stuff, but I, I don't know if I'm, I don't know
if it makes me angry as much.
I don't, it's, I don't know why, but when we're like going around the city,
people can do dumb stuff and it doesn't really bother me much.
When people mess around on the highway, it drives me insane.
Like, messing out of what way, like going too fast or like...
I think a lot of it's like negatively affecting the pace.
Oh, like when you have two cars, shoulder to shoulder, like just, A, get out of the way.
And B, it's super dangerous.
You should never be...
You should be such that if anyone needed to, for whatever reason, swerve, right?
That you shouldn't be right next to them if there's no reason to be.
It's going to happen if your tire pops.
Yeah.
Like, just little things like that.
And then somebody who will just like change lanes constantly back and forth,
which is making every lane that they dart into all slow down.
And because there's so many cars, it like cascades.
It will cascade for like 20 minutes because that like shock wave of those few cars slowing down
affects just this massive chain cars.
And then the dumbest part is you'll finally see them take their exit.
And they were like 20.
seconds farther down the road for all of that effort.
If that, sometimes not even.
Like the actual difference of like even like 30 car positions in actual time is so, is so little.
It's just, yeah, I don't know.
I know Archangel of Death, which is a perfect name for this comment, says stupid stuff at 100
kilometers an hour is stupider than stupid stuff at 50 kilometers an hour.
That's fair.
Yeah, that's so true.
I also think, like, when you're driving through a city, there's a lot of, like, you know,
someone's trying to turn out of a parking lot into the street, and there's, there's a lot more
necessary lane changes to get around.
And, like, stuff's just kind of happening.
So you just kind of cruise and you get it done eventually.
If you're on the highway, every single person is trying to go quite far at a relatively
fast pace.
And there is not a ton of interruptions.
So the goal should be just keep everything moving all the time.
And that does not seem to be the shared goal of most people
And it just drives me nuts
Okay, you know what? On that note, there is one that kind of makes me more angry than it probably should
And that's just like breaking for no reason
Oh, dude
The old, the old Pormand Bridge
Before they replaced it
It had kind of like almost like a bit of an optical illusion
As you would go from the Surrey side over to the Coquitlam side
Where it looked, it kind of looked as you were looking down at it
Like it was a sharp turn
onto the bridge.
But what it actually was,
was it was just the change in elevation
as it,
because it kind of dipped down
and then the bridge span
started to go up.
So it was almost kind of like a bank's turn.
And you could easily,
don't ask me how I know,
but you could take it at 160 kilometers
if you really wanted to.
But people would be going 80
and they would like get on the brakes
as we're going downhill.
And to Luke's point
about these,
braking cascades, that's actually like where traffic jams come from.
Yeah.
Is one butthead at the front causes or for no reason hits the brakes, which causes everyone
behind them to hit the brakes, which if there is higher volume, means that now we have
to slow down to accommodate the slowest breaking person there with a safe following distance.
And the slowest unbreaking person.
And the slowest person to accelerate again.
Then you have a problem where if everyone's in a standstill,
If you were somehow able to do this, which will never happen.
But if you were some, well, maybe with every single car on the road be autonomous and they all talk to each other or something.
But if every car lifted off the brake at the same time and just slowly started going, you could get the highway back up to speed really fast.
But, you know, the person two cars ahead of you will lift off the break and start going.
And then the person right in front of you is on their phone.
So they have a huge delay and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then all these different things happen.
and then you're in traffic jams forever.
But MythBusters apparently did this.
Oh, really?
Anyway, it drove me crazy
because every day there would be super high volume,
like just traffic jam leading onto the Portman Bridge,
and every day I would sit in it knowing
that there was absolutely no reason for it.
Yeah, totally.
Because the actual volume of cars going over the bridge
should have been manageable.
Like toward the very end, we're probably,
Surrey was growing a lot
but for a long time
there was no reason for it like I remember
I remember the moment
because it was nighttime so there was no traffic
when I realized why there was always
a traffic jam on that bridge because I was going down
and I saw I saw someone like slam
the brakes going down and I got
to the point where they were and I was like oh yeah
it kind of looks like it's going to be a sharp turn
okay idiot it's not
it's a highway obviously there would be a sign
or something but like
Yeah.
Okay.
I get it now.
Yeah.
The other one that gets me, and this one is a lot less fair.
And I don't think I'd get ragey about this, but I get like almost like, oh, like disappointed.
Sure.
Is if there's like a hill or something, I don't want to press the gas.
I don't want to press the brake.
I just want to cruise.
And then I want to take that momentum as far as I possibly can go.
Yeah, that's another one that drives me nuts.
They'll ride the brake all the way down.
I'm five kilometers over the speed limit on a.
downhill, I need to break now.
And it's like, bro, I know.
Just let it go. You'll be fine.
We'll go a little bit fast.
And then just don't press the gas when you get to the bottom.
And let's just roll it out.
It's great.
Let's hypermile, boys.
Let's hypermile.
Have you seen the price of gas?
Let's hypermile.
It's so satisfying to not press the gas for like a really extended period of time
and be still going with like an appropriate pace of traffic.
It is great.
Three Fork says
Luke Shocker here
wanting to coast to save money
but it's just it just
yeah okay sure
but it just like feels good
I don't know
I like using my pedals
as little as possible
all of the time
and it's not even necessarily
like a saving money thing
because I know you're saving money
on the brakes
and you're also saving money on the gas
but it just feels like good driving
I feel like you
I feel
does an electric car
have any appeal to you
Because you break so much less.
I hate the regenerative braking.
Really?
It feels horrible.
Interesting.
Feels so bad.
Okay, which cars have you given, though?
Alex told me how to turn it off in Emma's car.
Oh, on the Prius?
Yeah, and it feels so much better.
Interesting.
Okay.
It doesn't actually turn it off.
It like shifts it to a different point in time when you're driving or something.
And I think it's better.
Oh, I think it was, it moved it from the brake pedal to automatically regeneratively slowing you down.
And I still don't like it, but I prefer it than being on the brake pedal because it made the brake pedal like super jerky.
Oh, no, I'm not a fan of it.
Like, I shouldn't say I'm not a fan of it being on the brake pedal.
When the mixing is done really well, it can be, it can be really good.
You just barely touch the brake pedal.
It's like, whoa.
Yeah, okay.
And I would hate it.
When like my cars, it can break just fine, but it's a lot softer.
One thing that's really, so my normal car, the Ticcan.
Yes, Alex isn't ZTT.
It's a, I mean, they're a driving company.
That's what they do.
They've done a really good job of the mixing.
Like, I actually, like, can't tell.
That makes sense.
When I press the brake, it feels like I'm breaking.
And I can see that it's like doing regenerative braking,
and then I can see, oh, we're maxed out, and it's not.
I, like, greatly pride myself in being able to drive sleeping people.
Yes, they do, syphilis.
And like I want to be able to come to a stop at a light with like no one's sleeping being jolted.
You know, I want to be able to accelerate with that being true as well.
Like I don't want the car to be super jerky.
I want to be able to coast.
I don't want to overuse the pedals.
I want to be very soft.
I want to be able to break softly.
I want to be able to accelerate softly, all that kind of stuff.
You know, not all the time.
but I really, I get like super dopamine engaged when someone falls asleep in the car,
because now I'm like, all right, it's a game.
For me, it's, um, make this ride sleepable.
Not making my family sick.
Yeah, sure.
One of our first road trips up to Grand Forks to see my grandmother when, um, I shouldn't
say one of our first road trips, our road trip to go see my grandmother in Grand Forks when our third was
born.
Um, because we, she's pretty far and it was hard when we had a young family, but we were like,
at least when every kid is born, we should bring the baby to go see my grandma at least once.
And so I think we had three throw-up incidents on the way, and not even because I'm like a terrible,
terrible driver and not because they were reading in the car.
I just have a very motion sick, susceptible family.
And so for me, the mark is, can I keep anyone from getting sick?
Yeah, sure.
But also go pretty fast and get there and, you know, a reasonable amount of time.
Yeah. And like when I'm driving sleeping people, I am usually driving them on the highway. So we're usually cooking.
Yvonne drives me crazy. She won't lean the seat back far enough. So she always like, and so she wakes herself up. And that bothers me because I want her to stay rested. She wouldn't close her eyes if she didn't want to sleep. So then just lean it back. But she won't do it.
I've had this problem as well. And like I've been the passenger that.
the driver wants to stay awake so they have someone to engage with.
But I don't need, I'm not going to fall asleep when I'm driving.
And, you know, if I am, I can put some like, you know, a podcast on very softly or something that isn't going to wake anyone up.
But I get like, I want people to sleep in the car.
I don't know.
I want people to be comfortable enough.
Is it that you don't want to interact with them or what?
No, no, no, no.
I'm trying to figure out how to communicate this approach.
freely and I can't figure it out.
I want people to be comfortable enough that they're like, yeah,
okay, I'll go to sleep.
Yeah.
Anyway, where were we-
Who are we-
Passengers?
No, not like that.
As for the Tesla regenerative braking,
I remember talking about this on WAN show
because my in-laws got their model Y before they changed this.
But they have, as far as I can tell,
this is still a thing.
And I,
Correct me immediately if I'm wrong about this.
But as far as I can tell, you can't turn off the regenerative braking anymore.
Or not to even turn off, but like you used to have different settings that you could have for it.
It is so strong and so awful.
And I can't stand it.
It's like the two experiences of this car are so unlike each other.
Like when it's driving itself, it's like magic and I'm so amazed and I'm really impressed.
And anytime I have to actually drive it, I'm just like, what a piece of shit.
I can't believe that they charge people real money for this.
And it's funny because, like, I have, I did daily drive my in-laws model Y, like back when I bought it for them.
And it, it annoyed me that it felt like kind of like an RC car.
Like it didn't feel like a real car.
like a toy.
But somehow I feel like it's gotten worse.
Like Colton's Model Y is a newer one.
It's Hardware 4.
And that's not you being spoiled on your current car.
Well, no, because I drive my minivan.
I don't care.
It's fine.
And the, what was it, Carolla or something?
Yeah, I was dailying the Corolla for the comma AI one, and that was great.
Yeah, you liked it.
I had to have, the Ticcan was in the shop and I was driving the Volt again.
And I was just like, oh, yeah, I still like this car.
The Volt's pretty sweet.
No, the Tesla's just, it's just a bad car.
And I always,
kind of thought, okay, well, car people are just being kind of divas about it. And I do think
they're divas about some aspects of it. I don't think it really matters that much if there's
another millimeter between these two panels from a, like, it's funny to me, mine. I have seen some
Tesla panel gaps that are like, whoa. Okay, that's fair. I never even knew panel gaps were
like a thing that anyone cared about until Tesla's came around. And then when people were complaining
about it, I had the same kind of take you did of like, oh, whatever, who cares? And then I saw one
in real life and I was like, how do they keep it dry inside? It's just such a huge gap.
And obviously there's more to it than that.
Blaze Henry 1 says put it in roll mode to turn off region.
Okay, I'm going to have to play around with that.
I don't want it to like completely roll.
What I want is adjustable like my in-laws have and like my car has.
Actually, mine is not adjustable enough.
It only has like a super mild one that feels more like engine brake.
It feels just kind of like a little bit of like transmission drag.
Yeah.
Which I'm like mostly fine with.
Actually, there's a really cool feature that I think every car should adopt.
So I'm just going to put this out there.
In the Tycan, if you mash the brake pedal at a light, you don't have to keep your foot on the brake,
which has someone who has had kind of bad knees.
Just like holding pedals for no reason kind of sucks.
And I just, you know, if I don't have to when I'm sitting at a light, then it's like kind of nice.
So you just press it hard and then it just goes into like hold mode.
And then you just push the...
The second of a gas and you do.
Let's go.
Mind your car does the same thing.
It is the best feature I've ever seen in a car.
It's super smart.
It's awesome.
I think every car should have it.
Cephalus says Subaru has that too.
It's great if you're on an incline.
Yeah.
Yeah, I love it.
That makes sense.
All right, I guess we're anyway.
So, so far, impressions very mixed.
The actual, like, driving the car, I don't love.
A lot of road noise.
Just my cell phone reception is better in his car, though.
It's not something.
Yeah, I know.
A lot of road noise, less material.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
But when it drives itself and when it does it well,
it really is like looking through a window into the future.
I just,
I need it to,
I need to,
I need to figure out that last,
you know,
percent or a couple percent of disengagements.
And I just,
I don't know if they're going to be able to do it with just cameras.
It's,
it's going to be October by the time I'm done the challenge.
So we will be well into the rainy season in Vancouver.
And I'll be very curious to see how different my experience is
when the weather is not cooperating.
all right
do you want to talk about
more experiential stuff
do we talk about
the frame
oh no
let's do the frame
let's do the frame
a little bit later
okay
what you want to talk about
now oh
let's talk
let's stick with some more
like autonomous driving stuff
um waymo
called the cops
on some teen riders
after detecting
a loaded
air style ghost gun
the ride happened
just before 4 a.m.
on September 3rd
in San Francisco's Richmond's district
Waymo pulled the car
over after becoming aware of what it called a
violation of our terms of service
involving a firearm and alerted
emergency services. Police
conducted a high-risk stop and detained the
two passengers, a boy and a girl
who haven't been named because they're minors.
Officers recovered a loaded
AR-style ghost gun, meaning that the rifle
was homemade with no serial number, and the
search also turned up suspected marijuana
and mace. Both teens
were booked into juvenile custody on
firearms charges. Waymo
hasn't explained how it became
aware of the gun, though its robotaxies do have in-cabed and cameras and have flagged incidents
to be reviewed by humans. In July, San Mateo police responded to another Waymo after the company
reported two 15-year-olds drinking and firing a gel blaster in the back seat. The Verge argues
that the pattern shows what a robotaxy really is, a camera-equipped vehicle owned by a company
that can pull over the car and call the police on its passengers, which is. Which is, you know,
accurate
and also footage from inside of
Teslas have been used
so like
yeah
so
Robo taxi has more current
ability to pull you over and lock you in
but
I'm really curious to see how chat feels about this
because on the one hand
you know
if you're pro privacy
this
this
idea that cameras are absolutely everywhere watching you at all times and like sure you didn't have a ghost
gun in the back of a in the back of a waymo um and whatever it is that you were intending to do with that you
know you're well i'm not a criminal so it shouldn't matter political dissident but you never know
when the rules will change for what could be reported flip side it's waymo's car like
If it was my car, I would want a camera in it so that I know that nobody's doing dofissy stuff in it.
And a lot of people in full point chat are pointing out like a, you know, a human taxi driver would also report it.
Or do something.
We would hope.
You know, if you have a firearm in the car, they might nicely take you to your destination and then peace out.
But because they don't want to have anything to do with that.
You don't know exactly how humans are going to respond.
Yeah.
But like.
But if it was.
I think there's an assumption of, hey, there's nobody in here.
I can just kind of do whatever.
That is not true.
Not true at all.
But that's also not true
when you have a camera inside of your own car
that is going through
some other company's servers,
as has been proven many times
over and over again.
Yeah, funky.
Yeah, dynamite says,
no privacy, it's not your car.
I taped up my interior camera
and my car.
And that's something that you can do
in your car.
But yeah, that's not,
if you're taking a Robo Taxi ride,
I mean, even a regular taxi ride,
so many of them have interior dash cams.
And I understand why.
They've got to protect them.
I would.
A thousand percent.
There's absolutely no way that I would give a third party a ride in my car who's not
someone that I know without having a camera on them.
Even just to legally protect yourself.
Yeah.
Even if it's not what someone's going to do to you, it's what someone might claim you did.
Oh, dude.
Have a camera, dude.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
When I started noticing those popping up, I was like, yeah,
That makes a ton of sense.
Yeah.
Yep.
Anyway, I just wanted to flag that.
So if you ever were under the impression, for whatever reason,
that there's no consequences for what you do in an autonomous vehicle,
then you can put that aside.
Hey, speaking of things that, you know,
we're probably pretty safe to assume,
but are now 100% confirmed now,
chat GPT is a person.
Apparently updating their privacy policy and rolling out ads on their free and go plans.
Here it comes.
This is interesting.
Ads will not be personalized to start, but will be based on your active chat GPT conversation.
I've had feedback that I react to things before they're said because I read the doc and I just did that.
So I apologize, I'm trying not to.
But what?
So I think what they're trying to say is that it's not based on.
like a long-term built profile for now.
But rather than it's...
It might be based on the current one.
Which honestly is, in my opinion, kind of worse.
Because if you...
It would have to be.
No, it wouldn't.
If you want to serve me an ad based on something that pertains to my interests,
like if I was talking to you about my favorite musicals six months ago and you drop an,
oh, by the way, Le Miz is coming to Vancouver, that's fine.
But if I'm talking to you about what's the best way to integrate my home security system into my home assistant and you're like this sponsored one, that's not okay.
I thought, honestly, that was the only way they were going to do it.
I thought it was going to be like, oh, hey, I need this thing.
And it would be like, great, we have our sponsor doing blah, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, it was obviously how they were always going to do it.
But no, to me, that's less okay.
Like I didn't think it was going to be like random banner ads
No I wasn't expecting random banner ads
I don't know exactly what I was expecting
Because it would have to be conversational
But like would they go
Would they like would they go to the point where people are
Like people are using these chatbots as romantic you know interests
Like would they go as far as like we haven't gone out recently
Can you can you throw
Grab your laptop and take me to
the old spaghetti factory. Like what, like what are we, where are we headed here? I went elsewhere with that,
but yeah, totally. Yeah. Well, they won't be serving condom ads. Well, they could serve other
related ads. Condom ads. And those really. You got to keep things clean. Yeah, I, um, I learned about,
I learned about a product that you don't have to keep clean because it's one time use. I was at
someone's birthday party and they got it as a gift. Oh. It's like a gag gift. Or maybe they're just
really like, they really like them, but there's disposable that.
Oh.
Yeah, the amount of waste looked spectacular.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it was like a one-time use pocket thing.
And I didn't know what it was, so I kept like, I kept like asking about it because everyone was like, ha, ha, ha, ha.
And I was like, no, I don't get it.
And so I like, I pick it up and everyone's like, oh, he's looking it up.
Like, so yeah, that's what it was.
I was holding another man's toy.
Oh.
So you don't have to clean it.
you just throw it away oh yeah um yeah okay no chat knows chat knows what we're talking about
is that is that what it's called i think it was a different name um i don't know is this is this is it
please don't share your screen i won't i won't i'm not sharing my screen i don't know if my i don't know if
dan was coming through the mic there but he said please don't show your screen yeah yeah i think it was i think
it was this. I think it was this. I think
chat knows what it is. So
congratulations, chat.
For
knowing what that is and
that's wonderful.
Anyway, plus pro
enterprise and business accounts will
not get ads for now.
And ad free options
are available for
chat GPT.
Our discretion question is, did anyone
bet against you when you called this? Is someone
owed money. No, I don't think anyone in their right mind
would have imagined that this was not going to happen
at some point. Yeah. What did you want me to talk about, Dan?
Oh, yeah. I said it would be a great segue to the indoor collection.
This is one of the coolest collections we've ever done.
Yeah. Do you want to fire up the store? This week, we're releasing
a huge assortment of products. It's been a long time coming. It's the
great indoor.
collection.
Ashley has absolutely
outdone herself on the artwork.
Go ahead and click through it.
I love that it's like the name
of the file.com. That's fantastic.
Dude, just...
That's so great.
The team has been absolutely
killing it. It starts with
the shirt that I'm wearing, the great
indoors short sleeve
t-shirt. This is just a
spectacular little piece of artwork that I remember
her first showing me and I'm going
it's amazing.
I'm not sure exactly what to do with it.
Do you want to give us a little bit of Zoom?
It's amazing.
Not sure exactly what to do with it, but it's freaking amazing.
It's so cute.
We got a cute little screwdriver marshmallow stick, a little cable fire.
You know, this is about as outdoors as I ever really want to be,
so it felt very relatable for me.
And we've got a long sleeve as well in a different color.
All are available in both regular and tall.
They're selling pretty fast.
Gone.
Sorry, Luke, you can get a long sleeve.
You can get a long sleeve.
Go look at the long sleeve.
It's in a really nice color.
The long sleeves I don't think are talls.
Oh, they are talls.
We do have tall long sleeve in Jade Gray.
Hey, let's go.
Let's go.
Great indoors.
Looks great.
Freaking love it.
Do I have talking points for these printed on our classic blank polyblenties?
They feature a cute little great indoors cat graphic that looks pretty cozy,
just hanging out in its little indoor world.
but there's so much more starting with yes that backpack that i have been teasing for what feels like
a freaking year the long-awaited british miller in commuter is finally here you've probably seen
this pop up in photos or hanging off on the side of set for a while because i was daily driving
it for quite a long time to make sure that this new material was going to hold up to daily wear
it does it's awesome and now you can buy it it's made with british miller
in's dry waxed 100% cotton hexagon ripstop fabric.
The waxed finish gives it water resistance while the ripstop weave adds durability without
making the bag feel overly heavy.
So you get the same storage and capacity as our regular commuter, but with a more rugged,
outdoorsy material that's built to handle a bit more abuse.
It's, dude, it's a freaking sick backpack.
I get so many comments on it.
It's everything you love about the commuter, but just with a little bit more style.
I think the color is fantastic.
It looks so good, dude.
I really like it.
So good.
You've actually got one right next to you.
It's a little more green than what it's showing on that screen.
Really nice color scheme.
And if you want to keep all the little stuff inside organized,
we also did a British Millering version of the TechSack to go with it.
So you can keep your chargers, cables, and other tech accessories
that would otherwise end up floating around your bag,
tucked in there for safekeeping.
If you want to get your hands on just the spray to refresh,
the like the wax finish I believe British Miller and sells it and then you can also get it from in from third parties I don't think we carry it at least not for now I also love the color that they went with for the I shouldn't say they we talked about it as a team but that we decided on for the inside the gray it's still high vis enough high contrast enough that you can find stuff but it didn't we didn't need an orange interior for this yeah that would not have been the right play yeah I agree next up we've got the twill over shirt that's the one that Luke's actually wearing right now
Yeah.
It's basically what you want when it's too warm for a jacket,
but you don't want to leave the house in just a t-shirt.
Just add a little touch of class to your outfit.
It's made from lightweight 10-cell lyosell,
so it's breathable and easy to layer for that kind of weird end of summer,
beginning of summer, spring fall.
I've been wearing it the whole show.
It's warm, but I'm not overheating.
Yeah, it's a really nice super-readable material.
I'm totally fine.
It's not a cheap material, but that's kind of,
That's kind of how it goes.
We've also got the great endorse baseball cap.
Dude, there's so many new products.
Yeah, there's the cap.
I think you wore this last week or something.
Yeah, so cute.
Same graphic, embroidered on our blank baseball cap,
giving you kind of a low-key way to represent your preferred habitat.
We've also got, this is for the first time ever.
Folks, check it out.
LTT store, Nalgene bottle.
Nalgene, LTT.
There it is, boys.
fantastic.
It's happening.
I have wanted to do
just like a plastic style
you know,
BPA-free.
I think it's 50%
second rent,
like second-use materials.
It's like super durable.
Everything you love about an algae
water bottle,
but now with cool,
adorable graphics on it,
got our cute little kitty
hiding out playing video games
under a tent.
And oh, by the way,
this is fun.
Not intentional,
but we apparently
apparently use the same threading for the LTT lid as Naljean does.
So it's not included, but you can, you can put, you can order one of these separately.
They're like five or six bucks or something like that.
And you can put it on this as well if you prefer the spout top and you don't just like the
screw off one.
What else we got?
I think there's one more thing.
Oh, yeah.
The Bliss desk pad.
Oh, God.
How cute is that?
I am planning on getting multiple of these.
It's so cute!
Because I'm worried they're going to be gone.
all the same quality that you know and love from the XD desk pad.
Look at that setup.
But just so good.
But just so much fun.
Is that the touch grass D-brand skins too?
Ashley showed me this.
I think I've talked about this before, but Ashley, Ashley, we were talking about how sometimes, like, I feel like less is more in our designs.
Like, we almost try.
Oh, this is great.
Too hard to make things really, really good.
And I was like, I want you to do that concept we talked about, but do it like bad.
Like just.
Yeah.
Because it's not bad.
It's not bad.
It's not bad.
Because she's just got good artistic sensibilities.
So she can't make something that's actually bad, bad.
It's just like lo-fi.
And I just think it's so adorable.
It's just lo-fi bliss.
Yeah, I've had this on my desk for like the last couple months.
And it just makes me happy every time I sit down at my desk.
That's great.
Yeah, super cute.
And that's it.
That's the great indoors collection.
You can check it out at LM.g.g.
slash great indoors.
Hey, since we're talking great indoors,
now's a perfect time to pick something up from the collection
because it's the WAN show.
If you want to send in a comm, a checkout message,
that's the way to interact with us.
We don't want you just throwing money at your screen
and getting nothing in return.
You should throw money at your screen
and get high quality merchandise in return.
And then also, producer Dan will see your message
and he'll just like pop it up down there
or he'll reply to it or he'll carry it
it for me and Luke, do you want to show them the flow real quick?
Nope.
Of course he's just learning about Warcraft 3 because that's what he would be doing.
No, that was the, I mentioned the Diablo thing, so I was trying to figure out what happened
with that.
I was right that there is a new one compared to win the game first released.
It is not coming out now.
It came out earlier this year.
I just didn't know, but...
Whatever.
The point is in the cart.
I'll get there.
I'll get there.
There's something in the card already.
You're good.
Hold on.
Nope.
Okay, you're going to pick your favorite thing.
I need to buy one of these.
Fine.
and then that's a reasonable choice
and then there you go
uh boom
do you type of thing
I'll be staying inside this weekend
nice okay
and then uh then you go ahead and place your order
and it goes to producer Dan etc
Dan do you want to show us what the curated ones look like hit us
yeah sure what's up boys Luke how's your fitness journey going
what's the goal by the end of the year
I'm down 40 pounds myself since starting a little over a year ago
oh good for you
uh not incredibly
but it's going okay.
My plan for the last while has been like steps.
So I was having a lot of fun for a long time there doing weightlifting
and things were getting very good in that realm.
But now I'm trying to focus on more of a holistic thing.
I've had problems for a long time with flexibility.
So I've been doing a lot of work on flexibility.
And that is improving, but still bad.
I don't think it'll ever be good
because I have some nerve issues.
So a lot of the flexibility stuff that I have to do
is called nerve flossing.
Nerve flossing.
That sounds horrible.
A legitimate stretch that I do,
I can do seated right here.
I do this and my toe is pointing,
my leg is straight out,
my toe is pointing up and I look down
and I can feel a stretch.
Wait, hold on, hold on.
Can I try it? Can you tell me if I'm doing it right?
Put your, let's do right leg.
It doesn't really matter.
Put one of your legs out, right leg.
Put it out, pull your toe.
all the way straight like this?
Mine's like mostly straight.
There's a little bit of a bend in the knee.
Okay.
Toe up, head down.
Now toe out, head up.
And then just do it again with a pause on the end of each.
Yeah, I can't feel a thing.
It probably won't affect either of you.
But it's why bending forward is like hard for me.
Oh, interesting.
No, I don't think you're doing it.
You are.
Wait.
What? No, you're doing it fine.
You do it at the, like, like, uh, at the same time.
Like this.
Oh.
Yeah.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah.
Where do you feel the stretch?
Uh, for pretty much all of it.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, like ham, well, it's, it's a nerve that go, what, I don't remember the exact path.
Yeah, I don't feel that.
It's the nerve that it comes up through my, like, hamstring and then like up my back, if I remember correctly.
But, yeah, that's similar.
too, I think was...
There's at least...
Yeah, there's a couple people in chat going like, oh!
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, so that's fun.
Cyanic, yeah, it's a sciatic nerve.
I have other ones as well, but that is the kind of like the primary problem.
Because my brother and I, for instance, have both been able to bend backwards, no problem forever.
Right.
Like I can...
Do you like a bridge?
Yep.
That was no issue.
Okay.
I could go shins on the ground and then like shins flat and then lay completely flat.
No problem for like most of my life, no issue.
And then you tell me to like touch my toes and it's like, no, I literally can't.
Right.
I remember one time I went to yoga and the teacher was pissed because she thought I was just phoning it in.
And she came over to like push me.
And then I was like, okay, cool.
She's like helping.
I thought she was being nice.
And then she was like, stop like resisting.
And I was like, I'm not.
My body doesn't fold that way.
I was like, there is no muscular engagement right now at all.
This is, it just doesn't go.
And then she basically told me like, I don't know if you can do this class.
And I was like, cool, I don't like you and never went back.
Okay.
But yeah.
So I've been working on stuff like that.
I've got some like guides that I'm that I'm following to try to do things like that.
I'm also trying to get a lot of steps in.
I'm trying to build habits like one where we go, Emma and I go on walks every night,
which is getting way worse because as the season changes and it's getting colder,
a lot of the places that we walk now have like crazy spiders,
which isn't necessarily a problem except for that you get covered in the webs.
as you're walking.
Yeah, I can't say I'm a fan of that.
Which is kind of icky.
So we might need to change the pattern a little bit, but the habit is there.
We just need to shift the timing or whatever.
So trying to get things in that get a bunch of steps every day and things like that to drop weight and become more flexible.
That's my, those are my goals right now.
Not so much the weightlifting stuff, which is mind-blowingly more boring.
For you?
Yes.
Oh, yeah, because weightlifting is like super boring to me.
Oh, I like number go up.
We're so, like, we're so, like, opposite when it comes to fitness stuff.
Like, I can motivate myself to, like, go on the Stairmaster.
But when it comes to just, like, pick the thing up and, like, oh, my God, I don't care.
But if you can pick up more than last week, then dopamine go.
Once you figure out the brain muscle of the pick the thing up, it's, like, actually addictive.
It gets a lot more satisfying.
It's not about picking up the thing.
It's like, I can feel picking up the thing.
Yeah.
Very specifically.
There's a lot of ways that you can pick something up where the right muscles are not activating.
And you can do the movement so you don't necessarily recognize it, but the right muscles are not activating.
And once you can, the whole mind muscle thing he's talking about, once you can get the right muscles activating, it feels good.
Skull, skull crushers for me was like the best brain muscle connection I have ever felt.
And as soon as I got it, I was like, oh, my God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they feel horrible and amazing at the same time.
It's great.
Yeah.
Anyway, so I'm not doing as much of that stuff right now.
theoretically eventually I would like to find a balance where I have good habits on both and I'm getting a lot of steps in.
I'm getting a lot of stretching and I'm getting a lot of weightlifting in.
But it has become more and more important for me to solve the stuff I'm currently working on.
And then I know that I can just step back into the gym and have the weightlifting stuff going again like that.
So I'm not worried about that.
So that's where I'm right now.
And it's hard to have a specific goal when it comes to just like building a habit.
So by end of year, I don't have like a super specific goal other than the habits being formed and repeatable and having been followed.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's talk about something kind of cool that Apple's doing.
Apple's security team published a technical explanation on Monday of a technology that makes the iPhone 18 Pro sign every pixel at capture, creating sort of a digital negative that can be verified that it was like a real captured.
Image. So this is a week after they announced the feature alongside the iPhone 18. They published
the explanation and basically every 18 Pro main camera sensor generates its own cryptographic signing
key at the factory. And when you shoot in the opt-in reference mode, the sensor signs the raw
pixel data that instant it's captured before any software can modify it. Secure timestamps
taken around the shot established roughly when that happened and Apple packages all of that
into what it calls a secure digital negative.
That negative is developed into a finished signed JPEG
on Apple's private cloud compute servers,
and their photos app displays it beside the normal shot
so anyone can compare the two and spot edits.
Apple says this beats existing standards like C2PA,
which attach their provenance data after capture
where any step in the chain can compromise it.
Apple acknowledges that the system proves what the sensor saw
and nothing else,
So photographing an AI generated image on a screen, for instance, would produce a fully verified reference of what you did.
And the mode only works on the main camera of the 18 Pro and 18 Pro Max and capture is unavailable in the EU and China at launch.
So it's unclear how much of an impact this is going to have, at least for the moment.
Unavailable in the EU and China sucks.
But this sounds awesome.
So our discussion question, though, is for certain people, right?
This could be very useful, like a journalist or a law enforcement or, I don't know, lawyer maybe or something.
You know, somewhere where verifiable, this is what was in front of this phone, this is when it happened.
Data could be very important.
But can you think of any other real applications?
I could see someone like a site auditor
being very interested in this
like if you go around and do like inspections of
definitely like what else
like outside of professional applications though
can you think of a consumer application where you'd care about this
oh dude
I can think of a lot of professional applications
taking a picture of like an arrived package
like that was like beat up or whatever
like yeah this has not been edited in any way
this is this is Apple says this is what it looked like
that's still professional because you're engaging with a company in order to prove a thing?
I mean, I'm not necessarily saying so, yeah.
I'm not operating in a professional capacity in this moment.
So that's where I was drawing the line between professional.
Oh, that's fair.
I think, yeah, basically anything you're trying to prove with a photo, which for a long time,
Pixar didn't happen.
Yeah.
And now take that picture in this mode.
Apple digital negative or it didn't happen.
Yeah.
I could see that becoming a bit of a thing on social media, to be honest.
with you actually.
And there's a bunch of that.
Like I could see like like the natural beauty folks like really leaning into like hashtag
not edited like you know posting selfies or whatever like I could I could see that
becoming a thing in your hot but are you Apple digital negative hot?
Interesting.
Dating apps.
Whoa.
Whoa.
I could see people literally.
Yeah.
Swiping away.
anyone who didn't use an Apple
digital negative photo.
Is this like the most intense version
of the like blue bubble
green bubble thing? Maybe.
Oh, you're not Apple digital negative
so I don't trust you anyways. See you later.
Get out of here. Wow.
That would actually be like
That's nuts. That's nuts. That's nuts.
That's a killer app. I love this. I also love
that it has to be in reference mode, which
it kind of took me a second to figure out like, why.
And then it's like, oh, well, there's a lot of
automatic artificial stuff that happens with your camera these days.
So you have to put it into reference mode so that it doesn't do that stuff.
So it's actually much more of a real photo.
Every piece is...
At both levels.
Facebook Marketplace and eBay.
Yeah.
That doesn't eliminate the taking a photo of a screen problem.
No.
Nope.
Not at all.
But it helps.
But it's something.
You know, it's something in a time when, man, doesn't it really feel like
like our control is slipping through our fingers.
Our ability to verify reality is is slipping away from us.
Very substantially so to the point where this makes me much more interested in buying an iPhone.
Really?
I mean, we don't know that adoption of this will actually come to any of these platforms.
And I would wait.
But I would be, man, I would be surprised.
And I would be surprised if other people didn't adopt
this as well.
LMG channel says you guys use dating apps.
No, but we are familiar with the concept of dating apps.
Brother, it's very simple.
I think I can wrap my brain around it.
I like picture.
I push finger one direction.
I don't like picture.
I push finger other directions.
I don't think it's like the most ape thing in the world.
Now Pee ball says what happens when a website edits a photo for size or resolution.
well then you might lose this.
I actually don't know how or if this could survive in any way that type of a process.
But if a platform were to implement this feature, obviously they wouldn't do that then.
Or, you know, they might store the digital negative verified version of it.
And that's not necessarily what they display, but when you like click through to it.
Or, or I mean, maybe, okay, I have no idea.
what this would look like.
I don't know if Apple, so sorry, where did they,
so they secure timestamps,
establish when it happened,
secure digital negative,
blah, blah, blah,
cryptographic signing key at the factory.
So does this,
does this happen on Apple's servers at any point?
Yeah, okay, sign JPEG on Apple's private cloud computer servers.
So through an API,
then they could just say, yeah, this has been verified.
Then they wouldn't even have to store the full quality version.
They wouldn't have to display it.
They could just say,
we've done it, we've done a check,
green mark, yes, this is an Apple,
digital negative verified photo.
Potentially.
I don't know that for sure.
They say they're signing every pixel, right?
So you should still be able to crop it.
So that, yeah, that's at the time of capture,
according to our notes here.
And then the negative is developed
into a finished sign JPEG
because it would be, if it's every pixel
then it would have to be raw, right?
And so the finished JPEG
is validated over on Apple's side
where they're going to know
what your cryptographic signing key is supposed to be
and they should be able to say,
okay yeah like yes this came from that sensor on that phone at about that time um i dude i'm i'm i'm
i'm i started this with just like oh that sounds like a cool technology let's discuss it on wandshow
i really like innovative technology that's kind of like my whole adult life and now i'm like not
adult life now i'm like this is this is really cool this is really cool we'll have to see how
they actually end up using it we'll have to see if they play nice with other platforms um
Because if they don't, then it won't go that far.
Yeah, classic, classic Apple.
I also hope that, like, Google adopts this.
I hope a lot of different things adopt this.
Yeah.
DrainX brings up, actually, I meant to talk about this as I was talking through the topic earlier.
It occurred to me, and then I totally forgot.
That's a really great point.
So the image sensor is going to be tied to the SOC potentially.
Oh, repair.
What does that mean for repairability?
I don't know.
Apple, I have not, honestly, paid super close attention to what Apple's been doing over the last couple of years with respect to repairability.
I thought they backed down on some of the, like, battery stuff a little while ago, but don't, don't quote me on that.
It just really has not been in the news much.
I'd be okay with it if the feature just didn't work anymore.
As long as, yeah, yeah.
I'd be okay with that outcome.
I'd also be...
I don't know if it would be okay
for you to be able to use or replace the sensor
and have it still work.
That might not be okay.
I am not informed enough to make a call there,
but if I assume that it wouldn't be okay,
I would still be cool with like,
you know, the whole rest of your phone works,
the camera still works.
You just can't do this verified photo thing anymore.
Yeah, Crystal's asking,
so when you post it social media,
would there be a watermark?
which could be copied.
No, it wouldn't be a watermark.
So the only way that a social media app would implement this is they would get the signed, yeah,
they would get the signed photo, they would call out and say, hey, does all of this match what you thought it was?
And then they would display their own checkmark next to it or whatever.
It wouldn't be embedded in the photo.
Watermarking is like caveman technology at this point.
So, yeah, it would be more of like it's certified authentic as opposed to having some kind of like baked in watermark.
Yeah.
Because there's still, every platform is still going to want to save bandwidth and save storage costs if they can.
So they'll verify it, then convert it to whatever format works best for them on their platform.
It's the way that I would imagine it.
Cepheus asks, but how are celebrities going to Photoshop themselves?
Oh, with plastic surgery and makeup.
The old way.
You know, it's funny.
I was thinking about this the other day because I was watching Jurassic Park with my kids.
And how well that movie holds up because of, like, obviously for me as an adult,
I'm watching the, like, you know, the dinosaur poop scene where it's like, it's like upset
or it has a gastrointestinal issue or, you know, whatever.
And the doctor wants to look at it or something.
Anyway, the point is, it's like I'm looking at it going, oh, that's a really high-quality
the animatronic dinosaur.
But like for my kids,
the suspension of disbelief still works
because it wasn't crappy CGI
and it kind of reminded me
of how that art
like kind of died
in the early 2000s
like late 90s
when we, when digital effects
and movies really started taking off
things like Star Wars Phantom Menace
the Lord of the Rings
and going back and watching that stuff
now, it's like,
ugh, those are really low poly.
digital hobbits, you know, running over that bridge and
fellowship and stuff like that, right?
And how 4K, the move to high definition,
apparently just like rejuvenated the practical effects
and makeup industries in film production.
I was just thinking about that.
Yeah, yeah.
That's all.
I was just thinking about it.
Dan, am I supposed to do floatplane announcement?
Yeah, let's get floatplane and sponsors out of the way
and then we're just free until the end of the end of the day.
the show. Then we're free balling? Free balling. Uh, okay. Luke, have you ever made something that
contributes nothing to society other than to get some lals, some LMFAOs, some XDs and the
like? What are we doing right now? I guess. I don't know. Yeah, probably. Sure. Inspired by
open sauce, Michael Reeves, and ZipTie tech, those types of folks, Sammy attempted to add recoil
to his PC for shooter games. But not
in the way that you might think. Oh, so I do. That's the kind of thing I would do. Sorry about that, Dan.
There we go. Of course, it's at minute 17. So we're going to watch the first...
We're going to watch the first minute. I recently went to open sauce and it really inspired me to make my own
weird machine that doesn't really have any function for humanity. And I remember this video. It's not my
favorite because there's anything flashy about the production or I think it's a value to me.
me my life. It's something so simple and it's so stupid. I have no experience in making
jank stuff but I do have a bit of coding skills back in my university days. And because of the
fact that I have one rule, which is I'm allowed to make two calls to get help with the
jank side of things, I can't see why I fail. Righty, tidy, edit left. What the f*** am I
dude, what the f is this project? Oh, s' s' shit. That's so loud. What the f f f f f f f f f f f f! That's so loud. What the
This mouse is terrible, man.
Only a real loser blames our hardware.
That is me. I am a real loser.
So this is my current setup, solenoids and Arduino.
If there's Raspberry Pi, I'm going to try and figure out how to code stuff into it.
I think it's a very basic thing I needed to figure out.
So in a nutshell, this is one of our floatplane exclusive this week.
Sammy built a mouse that recoils as you're trying to aim.
with the help of some co-workers, some vibe coding, and a lot of work.
Did you ever see it in operation?
No.
It's insane.
I don't think I could even hit the broad side of a barn with that thing.
Oh, I bet.
Yeah, it's anyway.
Does it just full rip?
Like, can you do semi-auto and it'll just rock back once?
Or is it just...
Wow.
Every shot rocks it back.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Anyway, you guys can check that out at
LMG.G slash floatplane.
And now let's talk about some actual
functional contributions to society.
The new British Millarine Backpack is out
and Tatiana, our raw material product developers.
Is that her job title?
Interesting.
Breaks down what makes it different
from our other commuter backpack.
Sammy says,
I cooked with the thumbnail.
Not going to lie.
Okay.
I think it's brilliant.
That's great.
Put it in the Louvre.
Thank you.
you for that.
Maybe the Guggenheim.
Finally, the sales pitch,
get a balance of meaningful societal contribution
and peer entertainment at LMG.G.g.g.
slash floatplane.
Sammy says, rate today's notes out of,
while this was amazing to,
you are the best employee we have, Sammy.
He's really not giving me much of a spectrum to work with here.
Thank you, Sammy.
Open sauce is spelled wrong
and it's zip tie tuning, not zip tie tech.
I know. I wasn't going to call him out on it, though.
It could be ZipTai Tech.
Thank you, Dan.
Could it?
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There's a bunch of blizzard stuff.
All right, let's talk blizzard stuff. Let's do it.
I think you mean Activision Blizzard?
Sorry to pour
by Microsoft Inc. Sorry to pour cold water on it already.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so I mentioned the Diablo thing earlier, where I thought Diablo got an expansion,
Diablo 2 got an expansion, and they did get an expansion far beyond its release date,
but that was earlier this year, not a recent announcement, so that is not a new thing.
It's an interesting trend, though, that I noticed.
At Pax, there was a panel for an expansion for The Witcher 3.
I thought that was crazy because the Witcher 3 is like 11 years old or something.
How was it?
Witcher release date.
Yeah.
That feels kind of nuts.
But yeah, it's 11 years old.
So Witcher 3 is getting expansion.
I've heard Great Vine that Final Fantasy 7,
the like new remake is going to have expanded content.
We got this expansion for Warcraft 3,
which launched instantly when they announced it.
There's like all this stuff going on
with old games getting expansions.
And personally, I'm all for it.
I heard the announcement of the Warcraft 3 game
getting an expansion and immediately closed down everything I was looking at
and was like, I'm just going to play that.
I don't want to know anymore.
It's on my notes.
Yeah.
I just, I want to play it.
I want to play it so bad.
You don't want spoilers, right?
Oh, heck no.
Okay, so I'm not going to get into it too much.
I've been having fun with it.
I've been enjoying it.
Is it supposed to be like a long, like is it a campaign?
Like is it?
I've spent some time with it.
Like 10 missions? Like, how many missions do we get?
I'm, I've seen so far two buttons, a prolog and a campaign for a certain group of people.
I'm really trying to go no spoilers here.
And I've played what feels like a decent amount.
and I'm still in the prologue.
Okay.
So like it does not feel short.
That sounds great.
It feels like I have not beat it yet.
I have no idea how long it is.
The main campaign might be like one mission.
Who knows?
But it feels like a Frozen Throne level.
Really?
It feels like an expansion.
That's not, I'm not saying quality.
Oh.
It's good.
I'm having fun with it.
Okay.
It's not original release of Frozen Throne.
Let's relax.
How's the cinematics?
Cinemacts are great, actually.
The like intro cinematic when you launch the game is freaking sick.
Like, like original Blizzard freaking sick.
Like, like is Warcraft 3?
Dude, I don't know how I ended up down this rabbit hole,
but I've been being fed like Warcraft 3 videos.
I watched this just like 45, 45 minute long grubby talk on like best, best racists.
I was just going to mention grubby.
Oh, that is so funny.
I haven't touched Warcraft 3 in over 10 years.
Like, why I'm watching this, I don't know.
But like...
I'm not very good at Warcraft 3.
I never particularly was.
I really liked the custom games.
Oh, yeah.
I was really into, like, the Tower Defense games.
Dude, I watched like an hour and a half long video essay
on how Blizzard built, like, the gift that they gave to the gaming community
in the form of their map editor.
Which apparently they improved with this release.
No way.
Yeah.
Apparently they added a bunch of stuff to it.
It talks about the legacy of like map editor and like, you know, how that led to, you know, Dota,
how all of these IPs completely walked out of, out from under Blizzard's umbrella and like,
I don't know, just, it was an interesting video essay.
But I don't know.
I've just been like, I've been working on like home automation stuff, which involves a lot of like
walking around my house and like pressing inclusion buttons and like setting up you know programming
of automations that's just like kind of mind-numbing tasks so i've been watching a little bit of
youtube lately like far more than i normally do um and it's been warcraft three baby yeah that's that's
go figure i guess this is why this finally explains it yeah i they made a decision with the campaign
that i will wait did i say dota two wait yeah dota two what are you guys talking about dota two two
What are you guys talking about?
Oh, I said, does that mean we're going to get a Dota 2 if they have improved the map editor?
That's a sort of joke.
A Dota 2, too, too.
I get it.
I get it.
Yeah, Dota 2, too.
I don't think this is a spoiler.
So I'm going to go down the route.
I don't think it's a spoiler because it's not about the story or anything like that.
It's mostly like adventure missions.
Cool.
Not base building.
Cool.
I think I've had one.
base building mission so far and it was very light on the base building and you still really had
to do adventure stuff more than you had to do base building you honestly didn't have a ton of
base building options and you had to largely explore and find things and beat a group in order to like
i mean it's it's warcraft right there's items yeah um and your your character can like have items
on them that augment them and that system is expanded i'm not going to get too into that you'll figure that
out. But yeah, I've been having fun with it. It feels like I'm playing a Warcraft 3 expansion.
Just straight up. It doesn't feel like I'm playing a Warcraft 3 expansion in 2026. It just feels
like I'm playing a Warcraft 3 expansion, which is awesome. I'm into it. I've been enjoying it.
Now, there was other stuff announced, including, and this is we're going to change tune here
a little bit. We're getting a new Diablo game and a Starcraft game. There's still years ahead of
release. The StarCraft trailer was,
wicked and then at the end of it they're like 20 30 and you're like wait what what are we talking about
and Diablo is far out as well I don't know exactly but it's like they're I think they're both three or four years away
I could see myself hitting like 65 you know and kind of going you know what I'm just not going to like
pay attention to the news anymore because I'd rather just not know that there's new media coming that I'm not
going to be alive to see.
Yeah.
65's not that old, dude.
I know, but like when a game is five years out now,
then it's going to be probably even more than it'll be,
they'll be announcing things that are 10 years out.
Yeah.
Like, what's the point?
Going to a medically.
Well, I have the eyesight and hand coordination to play them.
Probably not.
By the time I'm...
Well, you'll just have like a robot arm attached to your real arm
that whips your hand around in the ways that you're thinking that it should be moving.
Right.
So you don't have to have to have.
the muscle response.
They already built that.
It's already a real thing.
It's just...
We gotta get some Tens devices in here.
Was it basically homeless who did that?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was awesome.
Maybe a little bit less violent than basically homeless is implementation.
Someone says StarCraft will totally get canceled.
Yeah, so there's some history here, right?
There's StarCaf Ghost.
Where's Ghost?
Don't say that.
No!
It looked so cool.
cool. I was literally in high school drooling over Starcraft ghost trailers. Like, where is it?
For multiple reasons. It looked so cool. Yeah. And it was, it was, it was weird that they announced them so
far ahead of time. Uh, and this got some people speculating that maybe they've actually learned a lot,
but it's different lessons than you might think. What they might have learned is that this may not have been
communication to us.
This may have been communication to Microsoft.
And our interest in these games might be being used to communicate to Microsoft.
Hey, don't lay us off.
We're making cool things.
We're going to make you a bunch of money.
Keep us around.
Right.
Everyone loved the StarCraft trailer.
Don't you want to release this game in four years?
A lot of people really liked the Diablo trailer and what we said about it.
Don't you want to release this game in however many years?
Right.
That type of stuff.
Is this what it takes, though, for them to, like, make the things that gamers want?
Like, all this, whenever you, it's, man, it's one of those things where it's like,
I don't want to, I don't want to dunk on a company for, like, making something that I want.
But when they, like, don't make something that I want for a really, really, really long time,
and then finally, some outside influence pressures them to do it.
It's like, so you knew what I wanted the whole time.
I'm not going to lie.
You know what I mean?
This was the first BlizzCon in a really long time.
Like, you knew what we, you knew what we wanted the whole time.
This was the first BlizzCon a really long time that felt like they were kind of activated again.
And the trailers felt, for the most part, pretty in tune with what the audience wanted.
The StarCraft trailer was gritty.
Did you watch it?
No, I haven't seen it.
My.
God. I think a lot of people were watching the trailer being like, yeah, this is pretty cool.
I like the general vibe. And then how it ends, Dan?
Oh, yeah.
I think people are like, oh.
I was really happy that somebody is like, you know, doing that type of ending.
Yeah.
Because everything is so rainbow sun shines, even in like the gritty grim dark stuff.
And for them to just be like, no, this is what you're doing to these people.
It's real.
A lot of Blizzard stuff wasn't, right?
A lot of Blizzard stuff, once you started getting to Starcraft and Warcraft,
were heavily inspired by Warhammer.
But I mean more, more like the marketing material was always like,
yeah, these are our Marines in there, super cool and powerful and rah-rah, rah,
instead of maybe a bit more cinematic type media where it's like,
no, this is quite real.
This isn't about a character being a hero.
You know, that sort of thing.
But they had that.
Like a lot of the Warcraft cinematics were pretty.
No, no, no, no, no. Marketing material.
Not cinematic.
A lot of Blizzard marketing material was still pretty brutal.
Not like this.
Never seen something like this before.
At least not for a while.
Not the ending of the StarCapt trailer, sure.
I think it's just a lot of people have been seeing
certain games going in directions that they don't necessarily want.
And I think Blizzard was kind of bringing it back to, you know, this is war.
This is...
It is really good.
Yeah, I'm very excited
It's cool
It looked it looked I mean it was a really great
Blizcon
It's just interesting
Because I've heard some people rumbling about like
Do I even bother going to Blizcon for four years
Because they really just announced the whole roadmap it feels like
So like
Is next year just going to be the same thing
You know maybe maybe you get a gameplay demo or something
But probably not for Starcraft
It's still pretty far out
But anyways yeah
Two basically takeaways is BlizzCon seemed really awesome.
Most of the announcements seemed really great.
The StarCraft trailer looked really great.
I'm so down with old games getting expansions.
I'm so stoked about the Warcraft expansion just existing.
There's a whole new generation of gamers that exists now that didn't exist when Warcraft 3 came out.
So I can actually, even though it's not a game as a service and it doesn't have a subscription,
I could totally see them selling like buckets and buckets of copies to kids.
whose parents are like, there's a really good game.
I played it before.
Also, there's a new content pack
and it's kind of hot right now.
Try it out.
Like, I would tell my kids to try Warcraft 3 for sure.
I am happy with my purchase of the Workerf 3 campaign so far.
We'll see if that stays true through the end,
but so far I'm happy with it.
I think that's really cool.
The Wow Forever announcement seems to be,
people seem to be, you know, it's mixed.
It's always going to be mixed.
People seem pretty happy overall, though.
Yeah, BlizzCon seemed to be,
hit? Cool.
Not in particular.
What the heck?
This sounds fun.
Dumpster Diver builds Home Lab Proxmock server from weekly landfill runs for SSDs, hard drives,
GPUs, and even RAM.
A user on R-slash-Home Lab built said server with PC parts.
They found scavenging electronics bins at their country landfill.
County.
County landfill.
They found all that stuff and even an old Asus ROG laptop.
that only needed the $25
Amazon replacement battery. Wow.
It's running a CoreI-7 mobile
chip from 2014. Okay.
16 gigs around. That's pretty good.
Compared with the G-Force GTX-860M
2-gig GPU.
It's now their son's casual gaming machine.
Cool. The ProxMoc's server
is mostly comprised of scavenge finds.
Two mirrored 256 gig
SSD for the operating system,
one terabyte SSD for fast storage,
and three, two-terabyte hard drives for ZFS storage.
However, the user does admit
they bought an Intel Core I77700
CPU and 64 gigs of RAM on Amazon to finish the server build.
Dang.
Pretty cool, hey?
It's been very frustrating for me
that our local regulations
do not allow this kind of thing.
So whenever something gets taken to the dump
because somebody doesn't want it anymore,
instead of having a bin like this
or having any way for anybody to recover it,
It's like considered condemned and I guess for liability reasons, nobody's allowed to touch it.
There's no salvaging.
And like I've been at the dump dropping stuff off before, watching people throw away stuff that I would want.
I've tried to take things.
This sucks.
This sucks so much.
It could just not go in there.
I would take it away with me and I would use it and I'd be happy and they'd probably be happier.
Everyone would be happier.
There was a palette of computers being dropped off at the Recycling Depot when I was there handing in bottles years
ago and I tried to take the whole palette. I was like, I can make this easier for you. You
don't have to unload it. I'll unload the whole thing. I'll get rid of all the waste. I'll,
I'll clean it all up for you. You won't have to do anything. Just let me take, let me take all
these computers. I'll find a use for them. And they were like, no. And then I was like,
can I pay you? And they were like, no, literally. It's like illegal. And that's how I
figured out about that law is stupid. You've seen how my I'm XMAX.
and MacBooks, right?
I only got all of those
because one of my old co-workers
used to have a second job
at the recycling depot
and he would just kind of take them
and then we would fix them up
and give them back to the community.
It's like, you know?
It's unfortunate that what that person did
is probably not okay.
He did ask.
He did ask.
It was totally fine.
But probably because he was an employee
there was like the liability issue.
You cannot just have the public come take stuff.
But most of them were fine.
And for somebody needs a basic internet machine.
And reuse is like the coolest R.
And you've Frankenstein and back together into one good machine.
And then you just take the rest of the parts back to the recycling place.
It's not the best RR, but it's the coolest one.
Reduce?
Reduce is the best Rar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, if it's already there.
Yes, yes, yes.
It's not the hardest R.
We know you guys.
Calm down.
I wasn't even going there.
Steamframe, let's do it.
That's one I want to talk about.
I just scrolled up and saw it and was like,
I put in a reserve.
It's just a reserve.
I didn't have to put in a deposit or anything,
but I put in a reserve.
You've got to make sure the appropriate content is up.
Okay, it's on.
This has the ergo kit.
I actually had a buddy of mine who's in the Southeast Asia region.
Tell me that apparently the ergo kit is not.
available in that region.
Which really sucks because the ergonomics of it without the top strap are not amazing.
So it's a Velcro on the top and then those are sliders on the sides.
Yep.
So you just, I assume it was going to be pretty small for you.
Yep.
What do you think of the controllers?
I do not prefer them.
But you can use the old ones, right?
Oh, the screens are right?
You can use the other ones with.
some with some kijiggering.
Is there something for the nose gap?
There's a different nose skirt.
I don't know actually which one's on that one right now.
I need to play around and figure out which one's the right one.
The blue pass through is totally fine.
I don't think I would get that module for all the colors.
Wouldn't bother.
You just need to make sure you're not balking things.
Ooh, it's not amazing, though.
Oh, it's horrible.
Yeah, what the heck?
Very nauseating compared to headsets that cost three times more like the Vision Pro.
honestly I don't even think it's as good as metas.
Yeah, no, this is, I think, the worst one I've ever used.
It doesn't really matter, I guess.
It's not the primary thing I'm doing.
Oh, where are the speakers?
They are coming around.
They're like, yeah, they're here somewhere.
Okay.
Or, sorry, more like here.
I prefer the indexes.
Me too.
The indexes speakers are better, just objectively, definitively, they're better.
So what's the deal here?
I see cyberpunk.
I'm assuming that's not running natively on this.
Nope.
So you were streaming that from your computer?
I wasn't playing cyberpunk.
I see.
Okay.
So this has like a bunch of this has been...
What's the heaviest thing you ran locally?
I haven't, I haven't recently.
I mean, I think Alex is probably the heaviest thing that you can run locally.
Valve put a lot of work into optimizing it.
So you could fire up Alex.
Moultar says you don't see.
sound like you like it. I like it. It's complicated. It's not the better in absolutely every way
slam dunk that we might have hoped for after seven years, right? It's, but the killer app,
which is, of course, wireless streaming, which Luke is not getting to experience right now,
the killer app is killer. And it's going to change, it's going to completely change the ergonomics
of my streaming setup. I don't have to have the stupid base stations that have low wife approval
factor. When we play mixed reality VR games or like hybrid VR games that there's couch players
and also a VR player switching between different people. I don't have to worry about like managing
the strap or managing the tether. So it's just like it's just simpler. The controllers are easier
for randoms to just pick up and immediately use. So like the ergonomic improvements are huge.
I can move my computer and completely fix the cable management that I really don't like in that room
because I don't have to have everything like routed through my console anymore.
Like it's just a better product that isn't the quantum leap forward that we might have wanted
in terms of screen quality or latency.
It's just, it's as good as the index.
I mean, better in terms of resolution at least.
if it had been OLED, I'd be raving about it.
I'd be like you pay anything, get one, but it isn't.
And for good reason, OLED is really, really power intensive.
And these lightweight, thin pancake optics require intense brightness that was either going
to be a burn-in issue or a power consumption issue in order to drive the screens bright enough.
and already it struggles on battery life.
I was disappointed by the battery life while streaming.
I thought the streaming battery life would be...
I was hoping for almost double
of running it standalone,
and I did not get that.
Okay, I'm done talking now if you have anything
that you want to say.
Yeah, I mean, I can take it off now.
No, it's up to you.
For a fully mobile experience, this seems pretty good.
I would my goal for this would not have been for a fully mobile experience though my goal for this would be
foviated streaming from my desktop um the screen it's it feels pretty light um I don't know if this is
true it feels way lighter than the Vision Pro though oh yeah how what's the weight difference
a thousand pounds yeah it feels it feels yeah it feels way
Making a VR headset out of metal and glass was the second biggest mistake that Apple made with the Vision Pro.
What's the first one? Making it at all?
Refusing to make a VR headset. By trying so hard to be a spatial computer rather than a VR headset and ignoring the two primary use cases for VR, which are gaming and porn, Apple doomed it to...
absolute utter failure.
Like, I actually do think, even at that price, there could have been, there could have
been a future for that device if Apple just understood what people are using these devices
for.
And because it would be the best at either of those things.
Yeah.
If Apple created an environment where it could excel in them.
Yeah, you're not, you're not wrong.
I don't know how to do anything.
Like the display is so good.
the Vision Pro. It's so good.
Yeah, this isn't
this isn't the best display I've ever used.
No, it's not.
No. The, the orange blue LCD
pixel arrangement fringing is
very noticeable. The pixel response time is not
amazing. Yeah, that, I'm feeling that right now
like a lot. Yeah, like the persistence is like
kind of rough. Not as good
as your big screen beyond two. Have you tried it yet?
Yes.
Okay.
quite happy.
All right then.
It feels great.
Oh, yeah.
I knew this just from the aesthetics from the outside,
but even when you're wearing it,
it feels like you're wearing some weird future device.
Yeah, I'm very happy with it.
I don't know how much time I'll be able to spend in it.
I'm still interested in this.
I don't know if I'll get one for like a while.
I don't know if I'm going to keep my reserve or not,
but I knew that when I put the reserve in.
Yeah.
So like,
there's no,
there's no consequences
if you cancel it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And someone else will take it,
I'm sure.
Yes.
But this is still very interesting
for,
you know,
having in the living room
where more people can use it.
And,
yeah.
The ergonomics, man.
The ergonomics seemed great.
It's light.
It was very fast for me
to adjust this
so that it fit fine on me.
I can just jump in and play
and it's good.
I can know,
notice. Yeah. If I look away from somewhere, I can tell that it gets worse. And then when I look at it, it gets better.
Okay. I swear that's happening right now. So not. This isn't even like the foviated streaming thing. So I don't know what's up for.
Yeah, not on the streaming. So streaming, you won't notice that. Okay. I'm noticing that right now, not streaming.
like if I if I look there's this great right here on my screen
if I look straight forward
there's it looks like it's like vibrating
there's look it looks like it's like failing anti-elising
and if I look at it it goes perfect so
running demanding titles on I mean it's
it's not amazing hardware right
it's amazing what Valve is doing on in software
to make that hardware be able to run x80
six games.
Yeah, sure.
That's pretty cool.
Like, you could fire up Hades, too,
on a big screen display.
And that'll run natively on the hardware,
which is pretty sick.
Okay, I'm going to try to get out of this game.
There we go.
I almost, yeah, okay, cool,
the pass-through is not on.
I was going to say,
I'd almost rather generally
just never see the pass-through.
It's pretty bad.
Yeah.
It's bad enough that I don't want to mess with it,
like, at all.
I still prefer that it exists.
but yeah
yeah
Hades
just sitting and like
you know
enjoying a big screen
gaming experience
with it pretty cool
I wouldn't want to use
these controllers
unfortunately
with you have bigger hands
so maybe it's less
of an issue
but reaching the
the ABXY
puts my thumb
at kind of a weird angle
yeah
mine defaults
to touching all four of them
yeah there you go
then you're good
but I will also say
I don't prefer these
okay
I like the index ones more.
Well, at least some of that's got to be familiarity.
I mean, you use something for...
I really like the strap around the back of your hand.
So the Ergo Kit, you can get that for these.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because the idea that this is actually different, like not pressing a button, but having your hands closed or open is technically an input.
Makes it so that the strap around the back of your hand is actually quite important, in my opinion.
Oh, yeah.
I personally don't care at all about the like big screen gaming experience.
That has never meant anything to me.
I understand people really like that, but I don't care.
On a plane.
What about on a plane or on a train or on an automobile?
I haven't tried it.
I don't think I would care that much.
maybe I would
it might be nice
but like I'm not going to sit at home
and be like yeah I want to play Hades too
on my index
but maybe on a plane train or automobile
yeah
Shrey Modi says don't dismiss the color
pasture module please Linus
okay I'm sorry I'm not trying to be dismissive of it
maybe someone has a use for it
I just really don't care about pass-through
what would the use for that be
I'm not being like oh I don't think there is one
I'm curious what the chat would say the use for that is.
Because for me, the only reason why I would turn it on
is to make sure I'm not going to step into something.
And this blue thing, I can see stuff,
so I won't walk into things that I shouldn't walk into.
Or if I, like, stub my toe on something,
I can turn on the past through, see what it was,
and then go back into the game.
And I'm not going to buy an additional module to be able to do that.
And also I can, like, see objects with this one just fine.
It just kind of sucks, so I would rather have it off.
But that doesn't really matter.
AR.
So like SIM cockpit, so you can see buttons and screen colors and stuff.
Okay, yeah, totally.
Apparently, according to Shrey Madi, it lets you record spatial videos at a higher quality than the Vision Pro.
Really?
So that's cool.
Timmy says you could use it as a spy cam on a date.
That's a joke, obviously.
Yeah.
Because this is not exactly subtle.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Yeah.
Let me jump in VR and not interact with you at all.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
The SIM rig thing totally makes sense.
I would, if your goal for this then was to have this thing for a SIM rig,
I would not want to just stick with the blue.
I'll say that much.
I also don't know.
I don't know where the price points of different things are right now, but having, like,
very recently used Big Stream Beyond,
I would not use this for a sim rig where you're going to be sat in one spot static.
I would use something like a Big Screen Beyond or a tethered experience.
That being said, Big Screen Beyond might be way more expensive.
I don't know where the prices for these things are right now.
You need a computer for the BSB.
Are you doing a SIM rig entirely built off of just this?
No, you wouldn't, would you?
Yeah, BSB kind of.
I don't think that's technically a factor.
It's a good point, but...
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Man, now I just want to play Hades, too.
And, like, to be clear, I'm having fun with it.
Yeah, I am having fun with it.
Yeah, I mean, it seems good.
The problem for me right now is, ooh, it's warm.
Yeah, and it's not just warm, it also has cooling.
So I find my eyes get a little dry.
And that's, like, a major contract.
between this and the big screen beyond in the big screen beyond I described it as
swamp eye I get a little bit like especially if I'm doing
okay it's off oh no yeah I'm doing something physical big screen definitely
there's no there's no airflow yeah whereas this I can like feel the breeze past my
eyelashes so I so my eyes can get a little bit dry gotcha yeah
thousand USB to compare to a 600 USD unfavorably is not optimal huh
What's 600 USD?
Which thing in that equation is 600 USD?
Oh yeah, the big screen beyond is not 600 US dollars.
No chance.
It's in a higher price bracket compared to the Steamframe.
Oh, the Quest is.
Yeah, we're not talking about the Quest 3 though.
Remember, remember, we literally know how much your personal data
tied to having to use a meta account and all of that stuff is worth to Facebook.
We literally know because I believe it was Quest 2.
They had a version of the headset that was a commercial headset.
that didn't have any of the ads baked in,
and it was like twice the price.
So you're still paying.
You're still paying frame pricing.
You're just paying it in the form of meta ads.
And if that's okay with you, that's a personal choice.
I've recommended meta quests to people in the past.
And for many applications, they're pretty great.
But don't pretend that it's half the price.
It's not.
You're just paying a different way.
It's like someone saying, okay, a commuter backpack over there.
Do you want to grab it?
It's like, yeah, it's $100.
Also, I'll take your pinky finger.
Is it $100 backpack?
No, it's not.
It's a $200 backpack.
Gmail is free.
WorkSafe.
BC.
How much compensation losing a pinky?
Hold on.
Let's find out just exactly how much a pinky is worth.
It's got to be more than a hundred bucks.
you'd be surprised brother
don't tell me this
work safe BC
I went through
this was years ago
I have no idea what it is now
but at some point
I went through and was like
oh yeah you know
is there
I was like a teenager or something
I think I was at my first job
I was working at the pool
so I was like like
how maimed
could be worth it
you know what I mean
and the answer is
not at all
they're all
surprisingly small
payouts
um
okay
norms wrist
blah blah blah blah where's the actual
okay hands
uh
okay met a car pole
one quarter loss one third loss
like it gets pretty complicated
um but I found a version of it
that was quite a bit
um
quite a bit simpler
restricted range of movement to
And they care like which pinky it is.
Like this is what applies to like index and middle fingers.
Okay, can we please just so total ring finger, a 2.03 modifier.
Where's the bloody summary?
Okay, I think no, this document is like the hardcore, like how they calculate it document.
I need just like the basic summary one.
My friend lost a finger.
Okay.
last I checked, I thought it was a max of $5,000 per digit.
So yeah, that wouldn't be a great deal.
A finger and $100 for a commuter bag.
I would suggest you not take that offer.
That's why I wanted to kind of get into that.
What was the legality around all of that?
Like, if I actually was like you can have a free one
if you cut off your finger and hand it to me, like, is that legal?
I don't think so.
Yeah, you would hope not, right?
I don't think so, yeah.
So don't take any of that seriously, because then we're,
both in trouble. You don't have a finger and then I have a lot of explaining to do.
These are just the thoughts of a Tesla driver. An extra finger for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. Now you have to
do with that. What am I going to do with it? It's going to go to product like right away.
Like glue it onto your end. Hold on. Hold on. Wasn't that like a thing like like tequila's that had like
thumbs in them or something like that? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Worms and fingers. Yeah.
So how where do they get the body parts? Yeah. Where do they get the fingers? Like if people don't
voluntary oh very legal says people um yeah surely you can't have someone voluntarily
amputate something like that has to be legal because there would like almost by definition
there would have to be coercion involved like you can't possibly sourtoe cocktail someone's
talking about yeah evicus okay yeah yeah yeah it's just covered by it being illegal to buy and sell
body parts okay there you go okay excellent okay good this is all taking good dossin in the yukon has an old tavern
with a drink with a toad or something yeah this is
This is what I'm thinking of.
It was like a Yukon thing, right?
The sour-toe cocktail.
Yeah.
I'm not, oh, man.
Not screensharing that.
The body part is free.
It's free.
Because he's paying you $100 and he's getting a backpack.
But he also has to, you know.
Yeah, I think we're just...
Serving food's illegal, so you sell a paper towel that comes with a cheese sandwich on it.
Dyrusole says you can drink it fast, you can drink it slow, but your lips have to touch the toe.
That's brutal.
That's great.
That would, I think I would quite probably vomit from having to try something like that.
We had one for a long time that had a seahorse in it.
Ew, oh, ew, no, oh no.
I think we still have it.
They give me the willies, Dan.
I think we still have it.
They give me the willies.
I'm terribly sorry.
Yeah, no.
I'm going to jump off
I think it's the same toe
Yeah thanks for that
Can you just put the toe away
What's wrong with you people
But I don't think it's like a separate toe every time
No no it is it's the same toe
Yeah
Yeah it just like is in the bottle
And it's like never rots
Because it's just like basically embalmed in there
It's mummify yeah
Yeah
Um
Okay
Crazy
Amazon has confirmed
In dashboard updates on Monday
that some customer data that was destroyed in the Iranian drone strikes back in March cannot be recovered.
The Bahrain region was hit the hardest, with everything stored only there, gone.
In the UAE, two-thirds of the region survived, but data that was kept solely in the third section of it was also lost.
AWS builds each region out of physically separate data center clusters,
so that one site going down can't take out your data, and the company says this damage,
unfortunately, in spite of that,
exceeded what our regional and multi-AZ services
are designed to withstand.
Customers with backups or copies in other regions
were able to restore everything,
so permanent losses hit whoever kept their only copy
in what ultimately ended up being the damaged infrastructure.
This is the first confirmed military attack
on a hyperscale cloud provider
and the first time that AWS has admitted
customer data was destroyed beyond recovery.
I wanted to stay, even though I'm at time, because of the discussion question.
The discussion question is this topic was suggested by robot space bear on the LTT subreddit,
who asked whether the 321 backup rule is worth anything if your off-site copy sits down the road in the same war-torn region.
What's the right amount of redundancy and how far away does a backup need to live before you'd call it safe?
This is the whole point of the 3-2-1 backup.
This is why we don't have.
LMG's off-site backup copy
on a server at my house.
It's not even in BC.
Well, some amount of it is.
I could buy 5 gigabit internet
for my house tomorrow from TELUS.
It's not even expensive.
And we could just sync to my house every night.
Why don't we do that?
Because we live on a fault line.
Yeah, and that would be silly.
That would be a super silly thing to do.
So it's backed up very far from here.
It's also backed up close,
but there is more than one backup.
And we're not going to give,
And I told you so.
I mean,
we've lost data before.
Not at all.
And sometimes, you know,
there's reasons that it could be really hard.
The only reason why I wanted to really stay for this wasn't because of when I told you.
So it was just because of it.
This doesn't defeat the purpose of three,
two, one.
This is the purpose of three,
two, one.
Yeah.
I,
I was,
surprised.
The three is very important.
I was surprised that Amazon's resiliency to this was not, um,
I'm not so much.
There's some amount of control.
I'm not an AWS guy, so I might get some of this wrong.
But I believe there's some amount of control when you are setting things up of how
duplicated you want things to be.
Okay.
So some of it is like customer decision.
You might not want to pay.
Right.
There might be data that's not really worth having a bunch of copies of.
And that's fine.
And you might have assumed because cloud storage, well, it's been really reliable up till now.
so it's probably going to continue to be really reliable forever,
but that drone strike.
Yeah.
So it's like it could still be a loss for Amazon
because they want to be able to survive some amount of failure,
even if you only have it in one location.
Yeah, Ballster says, yep, if you choose a single zone, dual zone, multi-continent, etc.
So if you had a multi-continent setup...
Then this, you would have been fine.
You're still fine.
So this ultimately comes down to the customers making a choice then.
I...
Which, you know what?
maybe you didn't have the funds to do multi-continent.
Yeah.
Like it might not be a choice that you wanted to make, but it's still...
I could also see certain types of data not being the kind of thing that you would want moved somewhere else.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So like sovereignty, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
There's some of that.
There's some...
Sammy check phone.
Hold on.
I don't even think he messaged me.
Sammy.
Sammy.
bro
whatever
anyways
yeah I got to get out of here
but yeah
321's important
when it's important
it might not be that important
you might have had stuff running in that data center
that is like you know servers
you could spin up anywhere on a dime
and they just needed to process things
and they have ephemeral information anyways
so who cares
and there's a ton of other reasons why this might have happened.
There's also a ton of reasons why you might have just lost your data.
Maybe you need it to be in just this area for sovereignty reasons, whatever.
Or legal reasons.
Or legal reasons.
But yeah, I just, I saw this take and was like, what?
No.
This doesn't, this doesn't defeat the purpose of 321.
It's like.
It's just the 321 wasn't done.
So I had a couple people in chat.
In some cases it was, I'm sure.
Except for the ones where the data was lost.
Yes.
Um, so, so with that said, technically, like, the same region does follow the rule.
It follows the letter of the three two one law.
So it's, it's three total copies of your data on two different storage media types with one copy off site, right?
So technically down the road at my house is off site.
I have taken, but it's not off site.
I have taken my own interpretation here.
I don't care much about the two.
Me neither, actually.
I think that used to be...
Because I don't think I'm going to burn everything to DVDs.
No.
I could.
I don't care too much about the two.
I care a lot about the three.
And I take the one to more of an extreme degree.
The offsite should be far.
To me, having the same data on my Windows laptop,
provided by Dell, who sponsored the show,
and then backing it up to my ZFS NAS.
That feels good enough for the two.
That's two.
They're both hard drive.
Actually,
but let's say it was a solid state now.
They're technically the same media type,
but they're not,
they're not interactive.
They're not interacting with each other in any way.
There's not a disaster that could impact one
that would also take out the other one.
Well, I don't know what that said.
Like, you know, earthquake, right?
It could take out every hard drive.
But then I should have it,
I should have a separate one in like a completely different region anyway,
even if it is on the same.
Yeah, charged nuclei says EMP.
I'm not saying the word.
I'm out of here.
I'll just call.
Yeah.
So we're good.
Google announced a new experimental CC AI agent for families.
Google Labs launched CC last December as a personal agent,
and its daily summary feature later became Gemini's Daily Brief.
Thursday's announcement expands it into a shared agent for households.
CC gets its own Google account with a distinct identity and up to seven.
six family members can collaborate with the same agent.
Each person controls what it sees, so you might share emails from your kids' school and the vet
while your partner shares the swim center schedule.
CC sorts through everything, sorts through everything shared with it,
builds a daily brief for the whole family,
and handles tasks like pre-filling class registration PDFs, checking live drive times between activities
and creating shared docks and sheets.
Every CC runs on its own isolated cloud computer using Google's agent,
framework.
And it uses current Gemini models, okay.
The agent builds a shared memory as the family uses it,
learning which facts belong to the whole household and which belong to one person.
So the grocery list is everyone's, but your dietary preferences stay yours.
It also asks before acting on tasks like submitting forms.
The experiment is US only for adults, 18 and up.
So the kids who schedules this thing is built to manage can't have accounts on it.
Clearly there's still some things to be worked out, but, man, I got to say,
even though it makes me deeply uncomfortable,
and I don't want to use it.
I would rather put in the work to build an AI agent that runs locally
that can do all of this stuff and pay what will ultimately be thousands of dollars
upfront in order to get anything even close to this functionality.
I don't want this,
but I can see this easily being the killer app that gets people just going,
oh, yeah, my AI assistant, how to...
did I ever live without it?
Literally just tell me what lesson I need to go pick my kids up from.
Like, this honestly sounds like an absolutely killer app for people who don't want to go
and set all of that stuff up on their own, which Sarahaf in Float Plain chat mentioned
Odysseus just now.
Odysseus, from my experience, is not quite as simple to set up as.
as some folks might wish it was or kind of sell it as.
It's very cool and it can be a very powerful tool.
But getting, on certain hardware, I'll say that on certain hardware,
getting certain models up and running with it was not just plug-in play,
whereas like LM Studio was like, so it really, it's going to,
your mileage may definitely vary using something like Odysseus.
We've got a couple more topics that I'll get through, and then we can do some comms.
California could be forced.
Well, forced is a strong word.
Could acquiesce and gut net neutrality in order to get federal broadband funding.
And this is just one of those things.
We've kind of followed the net neutrality saga as it's become a conversation and then kind of faded into the background over the last decade or so.
On August 31st, the NTIA, so the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, announced $1.4 billion in new funding to expand broadband in California, but the funding comes with some strings attached.
California is one of few states with a strong net neutrality law, which prevents ISPs from blocking, throttling, zero rating, or instituting paid prioritization on internet service, which is one of those things where...
I just, it makes my brain explode and I go, how is this political?
This is just obviously a good idea.
The internet should be an information superhighway and ISPs should not get to decide
what is allowed to, you know, drive at full speed down the road.
It just is obviously a net greater good benefit.
I'm so exhausted with things that are just obviously good turning into political flashpoints.
It's mind-numbing.
Anyway, a provision in this deal says that California has to agree to not impose any sort of restrictions on ISPs for 14 years.
That provision would not only kill net neutrality in the state, but it could also eliminate a $20 a month internet plan for low.
income Californians, a plan the state insisted upon to approve the merger of Verizon and Frontier
earlier this year. The deal could also negatively impact public safety. In 2018, before the
neutrality law was enacted, Verizon throttled the services of firefighters while they were
actively battling what was then the largest wildfire in California history, an action that
ultimately led to many of those fire departments becoming strong supporters of net neutrality,
because net neutrality is obviously a good idea. I just am so, I'm so tired. I'm so tired.
of stuff like this.
Magnetic flux says Linus, you mean good for consumers?
I'm sure this could be bad for evil companies wanting to pay ISPs to throttle competitors.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Like, that's what I'm talking about.
You open up, you, like, once you open the floodgates to allowing ISPs to decide
who gets good service and who gets shoddy service, you will, you will end up with
in shittification.
It's just a matter of like how shit it's going to be and how long it's going to take before they figured out how to extract every last dollar out of it.
It's just obviously a bad idea.
Yeah.
Luke had to go.
So we've got one more topic and then we're going to do some, oh, two more topics.
Then we'll do some comms.
Sorry, guys, I know.
Normally, it wouldn't happen.
But we had that long stream today doing the ASUS 20th anniversary build.
This is cool, though.
A solo dev enabled.
running CUDA on AMD hardware and Windows,
getting multiple CUDA libraries running on an RX-9060XTGPU.
Their username is Speedstue.
Nice.
And they released CUDA for AMD Windows on GitHub.
I like the name, very descriptive.
It manages to run CUDA-only workloads on AMD hardware and Windows
without the need for any dual booting, virtualization,
or Windows subsystem for Linux.
So basically, very little faffing about.
Some context here. Kuda is
NVIDIA's software slash language stack
that almost all of modern AI is built around.
It's arguably one of the biggest reasons
why NVIDIA has been at the center of running
and training AI models.
It's just, frankly, it's really good.
Even when competitors manage to match
or slightly beat NVIDIA's hardware,
they still struggle to capture market share
because Kuda has almost two decades
of tools, libraries, tutorials, and developer experience
that's built around it.
So switching to another company's chips
means rewriting or retesting a lot of code.
For the project, the dev paired Zluda, an open-source translation layer that lets
NVIDIA-QQA applications run on non-inVIDIA hardware, so typically AMD GPUs, along with
AMD's own version of Kuda called HIPP on Windows and then wrapping it all in an automated
installer.
As a proof of concept, the dev trained a 2.2 million parameter reinforcement learning network
with unmodified Kuda libraries on an RX9060XT.
However, while this is extremely impressive, some issues are present, for example, less
performance because of the need for the translation layer.
And the project documentation also specifically states this does not mean that every Kuta
program or AI model will work.
Kuta API slash library coverage is workload dependent.
Our discussion topic, which I guess I'll discuss with you guys, is this is from our writer
here.
I think an interesting parallel to this story is Valve's Proton because it also is functionally
a translation layer, but rather than translating Kuda, it translates direct X.
Are there any other parallels that come to mind?
I mean, this is something that I've been thinking about slash talking with people about a lot,
but I think we are headed into a future where platform portability is finally getting better again.
Like in the very early days of computing, everything was super proprietary.
Every chip had some weird funky-wunky instruction set and programs had to be
written specifically for like that stupid model of that stupid computer like it was it was a really
exciting time obviously a time of incredible growth and innovation but it was also sort of hampered by
um like lousy interoperability and then for a long while we had just kind of like the the the the
wind tell alliance that led to other than mac which at times had very very little market share
meant that just like everything just like kind of worked.
This, this piece of software, I could use it on my computer or my friend's computer or the computer at work or realistically some computer at any one of those locations 10 years from now.
And all of that legacy code would probably still run transparently to the user.
And then we've kind of drifted from there as the data center has moved on to like ARM as mobile computing has moved on to ARM.
And I feel like, you know, Apple really, really proved it out in a very consumer-facing way,
but this ability to create translation layers that just operate transparently to the user
and allow us to run software that was designed for completely different ISAs and just run.
And I'm not talking about like kind of.
have run. Like in the old days when you could like you could run it but the performance sucks.
Like I'm talking, you know, 100 plus frames per second 3D applications that are running without
hitching and without stuttering. It's really giving me a lot of hope for lower cost computing
in the future, more accessible computing. Like the transition from all the disparate systems to
consolidation on X86 took like a really long time. And then
And, you know, X-86 sort of moving to Arm, like Windows on Arms, actually, like, kind of getting pretty
good now.
Apple's transitioned over to Arm.
The Data Center's been on Arm for a while.
That took, like, kind of a really long time.
But I feel like the move that feels inevitable to risk, Risk 5 specifically, just because
it's free of, like, licensing fees.
It's kind of incredible.
Nobody, like, owns it, which is so cool.
it feels like it could happen
like really, really fast
this time
and just as someone who
just kind of loves cool technology
and just loves the idea
of, you know, my software
running on my hardware
when I want to do it
I find the whole thing really exciting.
So seeing this kind of
portability where, yeah,
I can do the scrap even,
I could buy the official one, you know,
I could buy the Nvidia one
and run the NVIDIA
software and everything works and
Vivida validates it or like I can do the scrappy one I can get this other
hardware and I can just like run it a little bit slower it's so it's so good for
grassroots it's so good for innovation so good for people who are learning or who
don't don't have the money for that that you know it just works prepackaged solution
I can't see a downside here from like a consumer standpoint
speaking of things with downsides for consumers smart glasses meta is reportedly
ready to launch some, like, non-pervy smart glasses,
codename Luna, without cameras.
Meanwhile, Snap is going the opposite direction,
launching $2,200 smart glasses.
According to a report by the information,
META could reveal camera-free smart glasses,
codename Luna, as soon as MetaConnect next week,
so September 23rd to 24th.
Instead of a camera, the device could contain six microphones
for chatting up Meta-I-I-I-A-I agent.
Removing the camera would let Meta shrink the arms,
giving them a more non-smart glasses look.
This move comes as meta faces a huge wave of backlash,
even though the Rayban metas have kind of been a sales hit.
That's one area of the metaverse where they made a big bet
and seemed to have really gotten it right,
at least with general consumers.
I think the IT crowd is less into it,
but, man, Normies love them.
Privacy is the biggest concern,
considering that people have used these to record strangers without their consent,
often to later post online for TikTok and Instagram clout.
Despite the glasses having an LED flash when recording, people are finding workarounds,
including drilling out the LEDs.
Notably, these glasses have been banned from New York courtrooms.
Snap, however, is taking a different approach.
They are releasing $2,200 smart glasses called Spex,
and they record both audio and video and have full, apparently, true AR capabilities.
Because of that, the frames are very big and chunky,
making it immediately apparent to anyone looking at them that they aren't normal glasses.
The Virges Jay Peters got an afternoon with them and said the highlight of his experience was playing virtual dominoes on a real table with another person also wearing specs.
An experience he specifically states no other headset has given him.
I'm not sure if that's something that I particularly need.
Dan, do you need to play virtual dominoes?
No.
Are we, is that just us being like old boomers, not appreciating?
Virtual mahjong.
Ooh, okay.
Now you got my attention.
Oh, yeah.
But it doesn't mean.
You're not in the cool table.
I think they probably cost the same, though.
Dude, playing with John without the click-clack of the tiles, though,
what are you even doing with yourself?
Yeah, true, true.
Why don't we jump into After Dark and get some comms?
Waste of money.
Yeah.
But you know what's not a waste of money?
Yeah.
Buying stuff on LTD Store.com.
After Dark Button, other thing.
Thanks for the Commuter British.
Question.
Competition is always good for everyone.
But can you think of a situation
where there's too much competition?
For me, it's all the Minecraft mod loaders.
I don't think I would ever say
competition is good for everyone.
I think I would say competition is good for consumers.
There are definitely situations
where competition would not be good for competitors.
There are also situations
where competition can be good between competitors.
Like, I suspect that the Steam Frame launch
is causing a significant uptick
in general interest in VR,
and probably Valve competitors
are selling more headsets today
than they were a week ago.
In the case of something like Minecraft mod loaders,
I mean, that's something that just has to be community-managed.
I think you have to, the best,
right now it might be really overwhelming and it might be kind of a pain in the butt,
but you've got to kind of assume that if everyone is trying to build the best mod loader they can,
and if everyone is approaching with the idea in mind that they want to use,
whichever is the best mod loader that helps them apply and manage their mods
in the most seamless way possible, then five years from now,
someone or some ones will probably have emerged as the de facto standards,
And those, it's a long-term outlook, right?
Like those de facto standards that emerge will probably be better five years from now
for having had to compete and rise to the top than they otherwise would have been if they hadn't had any competition.
That's what I mean by competition is always better.
I mean, it's better for the user and it's better in the long term.
Sometimes I think you're right.
I think there can be time periods where it's actually very painful.
very headache-inducing to have multiple standards.
I mean, I think smart home technology has really struggled with that
competing standards like Zigby and Z-Wave and, like, Wi-Fi itself.
Like, how are we connecting all this stuff?
Why are there all these competing standards that don't talk to each other?
This, like, sucks.
But once we come out on the other side of it,
I do believe that all of those technologies will be better
than they otherwise would have been if they hadn't had to compete.
Next, what is the cheapest video you've ever shot?
that performed the best in the last three years.
Budgets for YouTube videos seem to be ballooning to attract viewers.
Are you feeling that pain as well?
Actually, I want to go completely the other way.
I've been doing some experimenting,
and I actually had right in mind right away.
A perfect answer for that.
This video was super low budget.
Literally, me.
Plus, an iPhone.
That's hilarious.
Me with an iPhone, not an iPhone 18 Pro and not as good iPhone.
Me and an iPhone on the street, in a mall, shopping.
I wore my microphone that is an expensive microphone,
but one that I already had anyway,
so I didn't like spend anything to make this video have decent audio quality.
And it was just me doing something that I would have done
and pointing a camera at it and taking you guys along for the ride.
and the audience really enjoyed this, really engaged with this.
It got pretty decent viewership.
This was at a time when channel momentum was like kind of low.
So this is pretty solid.
And remember, this is using the old view metrics.
So 1.3 million of these views compared to like a new, new video.
Like this was a low performer.
And it's like, oh yeah, a million views.
Like, yeah, sure, you know, whatever.
Like this is probably closer in performance to that other one.
And this was like one out of 10, like out of our last, oh no, sorry, a two out of 10.
The steam frame was an over performer.
And I enjoyed it more.
The audience enjoyed it more.
One of the funniest comments that I've read in the last year was on that video.
And it was like, wow, when you strip away all the writing and fancy production and camera people and scripting and over-the-top editing,
line is actually kind of likable.
Thank you.
Just about the most backhanded compliment
that I have heard in a
ever.
Amazing.
Yeah, but reading between the lines, right?
Like what that told me is, okay,
we need to get back to roots.
We need to get back to just doing stuff
in front of the camera.
and that's where a lot of the newer stuff that we're doing is coming from.
Like we're still doing classic tech tips.
Okay, here's a hardware roundup.
You know, here's just like kind of an explainer about a technology you might not have heard of
or might not have thought about in a long time.
But this is where that's coming from.
Here's Linus and his son just like shopping for something that his son needs.
That's where you get like kind of funky, wonky projects like this.
Oh, hey, yeah, speaking of which, I think he finally announced it.
Elijah has gone full time on his streaming career.
So wish him nothing but the best.
Very excited to see what the future holds for Bocobola.
What else we got here?
Oh, this one was so fun.
So labs found out that, oh, hey, we actually have one of those funky crypto GPUs from back in the day
that can be unlocked to have 80 gigs of RAM.
and can be available for like a very reasonable amount of money.
So just like going on a little adventure unlocking that with Lucas.
Actually, Dan was a big contributor for that one.
He helped us get the PCIE link working at, we got to Gen 2.
I think there's a Gen 3 mod now too, right?
Oh, no, we got to 16X.
60X, yeah.
The Gen 3 mod is a little more complicated.
Yeah, do you know what's involved in getting it to PCAE Gen 3?
Potentially destroying your entire GPU.
there's a fuse that is blown on the chip itself
and you have to basically burn it out
by injecting stuff into it.
I haven't done too much research into it,
but scary.
Very, very scary.
Given how little performance delta there was
going from, I think, what is it,
a 2x link by default or a 1x?
Oh, it's like a 1x to a 4x or something like that.
Yeah, given how little performance delta there was,
I probably wouldn't be interested in that,
but it also depends on your application.
So for certain things, it might be worthwhile.
Yeah, it's a little bit unfortunate.
Agent Renzo says,
I love the videos that are made for the love of the game
and not because you're a company that needs to make money.
And, you know, it's tough, right?
Because if I didn't love the game,
I wouldn't be doing this anymore.
So every video to a degree is made for the love of the game.
I want to keep playing the game.
But I also am a company that needs to make money.
and, you know, with that in mind, like,
it affects the decision-making process.
It does.
If anyone says it doesn't, then, you know,
I think they're either not being honest with themselves
or they're not being honest with you.
Because if I have to choose between, you know,
laying off half the team or, you know,
doing this type of content that allows us to keep the band together
for the most part. I mean, when people go off and have a solo career, that's actually good.
That's actually growth. That's a good thing. But, you know, keeping all the supporting pieces in
place and keeping the team together is also something that's very important. It's always something
that you're going to be balancing. And the way that we would approach that, like, do I feel like
doing this thing today, having the weight of, hey, people's livelihoods could be at stake if we don't,
is always something that's going to weigh on the decision-making process. And there
are certain red lines like we're not going to take gambling advertising we're just not going to do it.
And if that meant that we would lose people because, you know, we otherwise, we cannot be
sustainable without taking that step. Then I like to think that we would, we would maintain that
red line. I'd like to think that's a permanent red line. But, you know, there's humans are,
humans are human. I'm not a robot. Not every decision that I make is, is completely, is completely
rational. If I had to, you know, choose between Dan and promoting draft kings, um, could I, could I, could I,
could I put Dan down? Um, do want to bet? You know, no, I don't, man, I don't want to be, I don't want to be
in that position. I, I don't, I don't want to do that. Um, and as long as I can avoid it,
oh, I get it. Sorry, sorry, sorry, ding yourself, sir. Bing. Anyway, um,
Sorry, I was trying to have a real conversation here.
But that's what I get for taking anything seriously.
That's why I didn't want to butt in.
No, that was great. That was funny.
Yeah, hit me with my mother, will you?
Okay, sorry.
Sorry.
No, that was important.
What's a product you couldn't include in a comparison video
that viewers unexpectedly demanded afterwards?
I'm thinking of the doorbell camera video where his buddy's commented about Rio Link.
I'm getting a lot of that and I don't know what's going on.
So, yeah, Real Link was something that we overlooked.
There's nothing to say about it other than we overlooked it.
It's like a Reddit darling brand of doorbell camera that doesn't really show up in sort of in the way that we would normally look at who should be included in one of these roundups,
which typically is going to be a combination of Google searching, asking an LLM, and looking at bestsellers on Amazon.
That's like kind of our one, two, three.
With the caveat that if you type Home Assistant, for instance,
like if you just type like top dash cams,
you'll end up with a lot of not real link,
or at least we did.
Your algorithm may be tuned differently, of course.
But if we type Best Doorbell Cam, Home Assistant,
all of a sudden it's like the top result,
it's freaking everywhere.
And so that was something that we kind of,
I obviously flagged that internally.
I was like, what the heck happened here?
Can we please do a post-mortem and figure out how we managed to miss, like, apparently the most popular camera.
It's not the most popular camera.
What it is is it's like a social media darling, Reddit darling, which, yeah, it means we missed.
But I was able to kind of look at, you know, that post-mortem and go, okay, well, I understand how this happened.
Obviously, we're upset about it.
All of us.
You know, anytime we miss something that seems so obvious to the community, it's.
sucks but I at least and looking at it going okay well this wasn't just you know utter
disregard for you know caring about making good content it was just okay there's something that
we clearly need to update here in terms of what are sort of our roundup um touch points need to
be as we're as we're selecting as we're selecting candidates for these for these types of
videos. And so, you know, we're going to like it, like I always say, we're not perfect. We're
going to miss things now and again. Overall, I still thought it was, I thought it was a good
video. We looked at a lot of really interesting options and some really not interesting ones.
I thought it contained some good educational points. And the next time around, we're going to
make sure we don't miss Realink. You know, we're always going to try and do better.
LXFN asks, did that video get ECC squatted? To my knowledge, yeah, that would have gone through the
ECC Squad, but ECC Squad is looking for errors. They're not looking for, you know, is there something
that the video was not about, because it wasn't about that camera. It was about, it was a roundup,
but it, like, clearly didn't include it. They're looking for, did we get the megapixels wrong on,
you know, one of these cameras that we did include? They're not necessarily looking to change our
editorial voice, right? And, you know, if they did point out something like that, obviously,
we'd look at it, but it's not what we've asked them to do, or it's not what they've volunteered to do, right?
Luce Unit says, I'm a home assistant user, never heard of RearLink until you mentioned it right now.
And that was a really interesting thing about the post-martim was we found that depending on how you go and look for it,
it's either the first most obvious thing, which is what a lot of people felt, because their way of
researching this product category obviously surfaced it right away. Or, like you, I'd never heard of them,
you've never heard of them depending on how you search for it it just like doesn't come up at all
all right dan hit me sure last one i got for you today oh sure hi d l how does this steam frame compare
to the index i'm really thinking about quote unquote upgrading i play a lot of beatzaber i'm wondering
how good the tracking feels and i enjoy my knuckle controllers oh tracking feels good um unlike an index
You can include the controllers, though.
So depending on the vigorousness of your play style, that could be a challenge.
Beat Sabre, I would say, is not an application that benefits hugely from the things that are better about the frame because you're standing still-ish.
You move side to side a little bit, get that fit beat on, right?
but like you're not operating really at room scale.
You're just like the standing equivalent of like almost a seated experience.
And so without a way more compelling screen technology upgrade,
the fact that you have lighthouses already, you know,
I would maybe, I would at least look at the other options that are out there
before just going, okay, well, I'm just going to get a frame,
especially because you'll have time to think about it,
because there are not enough frames for everybody right now.
That's it.
That's it.
I mean, there are a couple more here.
I didn't see those.
We could have a quick look.
Yeah, anything there, tickles your fancy.
Description says fits 16-inch laptops,
but the photos say fits 15-inch laptops.
Stop confusing me.
You can get a 16-inch laptop in there.
In fact, actually, that video recently,
shopping for laptops with my son,
we put a 16-inch laptop in a commuter bag.
So you can see exactly,
oh, man.
Remember when you used to get an ad once in a while
clicking on something on YouTube?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just got my 18 pro over there.
I'm interested in checking it out.
Think Book 16.
Where did you try to put it in a backpack?
Did that make it into the cut?
Actually, this is one that I did not see the final cut for before we went live.
Oh, I see a backpack.
Where is it?
Where you at?
Here we go.
Uh, yeah, so...
So we went with the book for Edge 16, and then you can see, here it is.
Commuter bag.
In fact, that's the British Millar.
It's so you could see it bulges a little bit, so it's quite tight.
And if you have like a very thick 16, then that could be a bit more of a challenge.
Last one.
Nope.
Dan already got rid of the other one.
Oh, wow.
Get wrecked.
Well, I think that's pretty much it.
We'll see again next week.
Same bad time, same bad channel.
Hold on, hold on, wait for it though.
Hi.
Going on vacation?
We're here for it.
With kids who turned the backseat into a courtroom drama
over whose tablet is louder, whose charger is faster,
and while watching the same cartoon for the hundredth time as a human right?
Yep, we totally have vehicles to handle that.
Because whether it's a road trip or a business trip,
where your flight's delayed, your phones at 2%
And your dinner is, whatever is open?
Yeah.
Here for that, too.
Enterprise, we're here for it.
