The WAN Show - I’m Buying A Tech House - WAN Show October 3, 2025

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And welcome to the WAN show. I. You're okay? Your stomach went crazy, right when this show started. Got a great show lined up for you guys today. We're going to be talking about our plan. See, we don't have anything to upgrade in my house.

Oh. So we're going to get a tech house that is not a tech house, but we're going to make it a tech house. It will become one. And we're going to need your help because there's going to be a right way to do this, and then there's going to be all the other options that we have available to us. And we want to know what direction you guys want to see it go. We're also going to be talking about, oh, yeah, Xbox might be dying. So that's pretty cool.

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We've got to get to the point where you're like an auctioneer. You've got to, like, actually take auctioneer classes. I don't think I could do it. I really don't think I can talk that fast, especially not with these cutting up my mouth. Once the braces are out, maybe. Let's jump. right into our headline topic which is of course the tech house this has been on various

stages of front burner back burner side burner after burner uh for probably years at this point with in different forms varying varying degrees of sort of plausibility and different people sort of supporting the initiative but one point it was it was a hotel oh that was kind of different Okay. That was pretty different. But I'd say the origin of the idea goes all the way back to Colton, basically trying to figure out how to get Linus Media Group to subsidize his home. We were pretty clear that that probably won't make a ton of sense.

That's really funny because a lot of people in Philippine chat seem to be convinced that it's my house. No. Just buying a house for Colton. So I think his original pitch to me was something along the lines of, okay hear me out the company buys a house I rent it for cheap and live in the basement

and the company uses the upstairs to do like tech house things and then like if I like it I'll buy it after and I was like so basically you just want the deal Luke had which was so good so I can't blame him back when we were working out of the Langley House as a studio

and I pretty much was like Colton you understand the hundred or so reasons, namely all of your fellow employees, that that is not fair, and we cannot do that, right? And he's like, okay. But we've given it a lot of thought, and we've kind of assessed a lot of the different options, and I think there is a path forward. Now, if you're a regular watcher of the show, you'll probably know that I'm not super comfortable with the idea of residential housing as an investable commodity and it's not something that i want to participate in um i kind of have a um i kind of have a like a a sports day approach to sort of housing allocation um you know they brought

some food everybody's working hard everybody's hungry um if you want a second one that's totally cool but you should probably wait till everybody's had their first you know right Just be a good fellow citizen. And to be clear, you know... I didn't know where that was going, but I like it. It's a good analogy. No, no disrespect to anyone who, you know, does landlording stuff or whatever. Everyone's got their own personal sort of value system and what works for me,

might not work for you and vice versa. And, you know, no disrespect for people who, you know, have a vacation property or, you know, whatever else. I think if you have a cabin by the lake somewhere, you know, that's power to you or whatever else. but it's not for me. And so finding a way to buy a house because, like, what, we're going to lease one and make a bunch of improvements to it? Like, you've got to be kidding me right now.

No. Right? So buying a house, finding a way to do that in a market like Vancouver, which is quite literally in the top, if not top three, definitely top five most unfavorable housing markets in the entire world for the sole purpose of making videos in it the optics aren't great questionable at the very least definitely questionable yeah but i came up with an idea that i think people are mostly going to vibe with so i'm thinking we find something that is um probably not easily within reach of the average vancouverite but something that from at least kind of the outside will look

like kind of a normal single family home in a lot of like, you know, the United States Midwest or whatever, you know, like it'll, it'll be kind of a, you know, small yard, front and back, and I'm aiming for like anywhere between about 1,800 square feet, 2,500 square feet. If we could find something that was a touch on the bigger side, like 28, 2,900 square feet, and it had a basement level, I think that would be pretty cool because that would unlock a lot of content options more like sets areas to work on things to do it's modes for the house to be in it's more cool stuff that we can do for sure right um and then the idea here and there are some there are still some like tax and um some tax implications especially that we would have to figure

out around this but the idea don't hold me to this is that we would buy the house okay we would make a bunch of tech improvements and the law stipulates that or tax law stipulates that when you sell an asset it has to be for something resembling a market value right because otherwise you could you could make the argument that um are we still live it appears so otherwise you could make the argument that um if you bought it for instance you would be receiving a like a cash equivalent benefit, right? Like, if I were to say, oh, I bought this house for $1 million. Very funny, ha-ha, Vancouver.

Yeah, right. But I bought this house for $1 million. And Luke, I'm not going to, I'm not going to pay you at work this year. But I'm going to sell you this house for $10. Hey, nice. Don't worry about income tax. Right? Because you didn't have any income.

Right? well the government thought of that that's really good oh yeah right exactly jerks so you're not you're not really allowed to do that when you sell something you have to sell it for something resembling a market value and look we can we can talk all day about whether that rule makes any sense or whether we like it that's just the way it is that's the way it is here and we get audited frequently enough that it would it would be noticed even if we were like oh yeah well we're just gonna we're gonna do it anyway so something that i noticed though is, you know, between my own house shopping over the years and chatting with other folks who have also been shopping for homes, is that occasionally people do sell a home fully furnished. And one of the things I've noticed about that is that the pricing generally is not very reflective of all the stuff that's in the house, which kind of makes sense. My place didn't come fully furnished, but it was genuinely really close, and that was valued at literally nothing. The dead guy's stuff, right?

Yep. Yeah. So here's my idea. We come in, we buy the house for, let's say, a million dollars. We do a bunch of stuff on it. I think we're going to have to keep it for at least two years. Have you seen the new taxes on, I don't know if they're in place yet, but they're either in place or they're coming on people who flip a house in less than two years. I had no idea.

Yeah. I saw that. I don't know if that's confirmed yet. Honestly, you're probably going to need that much time to, like, do everything to anyways. I think so, too. I think we're going to have a lot to do. With the amount of ideas that I've thought of just sitting here so far. Oh, dude.

I want, like, oh, man, I want to do geothermal on it. Like, I want to do, I want to do so much stuff. Basically, everything that I was budget constrained or time constrained or constrained by the fact that I have to live in it, everything I wanted to do with my house, I want to do in this one. And one of the conversations I had with James was that, okay, let's get to the conversation with James later. First, let's finish the thought about how we're going to do this. So we spend our couple of years working on it. And then whatever market fluctuation has happened in that time, we basically go, okay, how about this? How about just making sure that we cover all of our costs?

Because not everything we put into the house is going to be sent by the manufacturer or a sponsor or whatever. but just to cover the stuff that we have to put in ourselves and whatever the market is, it goes out like that and we just, if we put in the world's biggest TV or whatever, I don't know, I mean, it's in there. Like, you might not like the TV, so we don't really know how to value that.

Yeah, because the actual house... And we put it on the market. Value. It is super sketched to sell below a certain number. amount. Yeah, you like can't. So you can, you can sell it cheaply. Yeah. Even then we probably wouldn't because we're going to put a ton of money into it. Yeah, sure. Like, way more than would be reasonable. Like, if we bought a house for 1.5 mil. How do you, how do you decide who gets to buy it, though? Uh, okay. So see that, because since I've heard this idea, I've been stuck on that

part. So, how does that work? I don't know. I'm not really there yet. We're, we're, We're probably three to six months from actually purchasing it. We're probably six to nine months from uploading the first video in it. And we're almost three years from when we're going to have to deal with this. Yeah, speaking of someone in full plane chat, is it barred from employees? So you and Elijah, I think, are now the, like, eighth and ninth person to bring up that you're going to be the one who wants to buy it. I'm sure. So hear me out.

Whole new series. this time sponsored by Nvidia $500,000 ultimate house upgrade I think they got the money for it Oh my goodness They could afford it That would be amazing

So we turn the entire channel Into just like a tech house reno channel Wow Okay so after the first one We just keep going I mean why would we have to have Just one going at a time It's

We gotta wait around for permits Over a year worth of content Oh easy Per one, so, like, it kind of does potentially make sense. That's wild. Elijah says, how about we fight each other to the death? The winner gets it. Elijah, you don't want to fight loose.

That's actually fucking stupid, my guy. There's people at the company, though, that would be very terrifying. Okay, so anyway, since unlike some other YouTubers, I'm not actually trying to create real-life hunger games. Or, sorry, rather, the other one. um let's talk about the conversation with james because a big part of the issue with a lot of the upgrades that we did at my house was that there was no there was no customer for it like i was just kind of doing weird stuff that i would do for myself and so i ended up with a lot of stuff that was never really fully finished squid game that's what i was thinking of that was never really fully finished or that didn't really make sense for most people, right? Like, the average person, like, if I don't know who's going to buy a house, I have to renovate it in a completely different way from if I'm building some weird thing for

myself. So instead of using home assistant, I probably use homie. You know what I mean? I see, I'm so, uh, I don't even know homie. You're looking it up? Yeah. Yeah. So this, it's basically, it's kind of, um, it's along the long, of what Home Assistant is trying to do, bringing all the disparate ecosystems into one management platform, but it's... Is it just more user-friendly, but more closed? It's more user-friendly, and it's, and you have to, like, pay a subscription, whereas Home Assistant, you can do everything yourself.

I believe so, actually. Are you sure? Should it just be Home Assistant? No, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. In fact, there's one bloke. that I can't say much about because he's working on some cool stuff

that I can't say much about, but maybe Home Assistant could get more user-friendly in the future. I mean, we're talking about something that we're not going to deploy for a couple of years at this point. But I'm basically just using that as an example of how we might do something a little bit differently. Instead of having a cooling loop

that is run into the walls of the pool to cool the mechanical room, You know, we might just do something where we have like, yeah, we might just not do that. Just an idea. Or some of the cool ideas that have actually worked out really well at my place. Like the land room is awesome. You could offer, oh. Like we could do it more user-friendly.

We'd make sure that there's actually, you know, power buttons, you know, next to all the machines. You know, we'd have like a nice little plate in the wall that has all the I-O and everything. What if you offered one year of quarterly tech maintenance for free as long as you were allowed to film it after the sale? That's to be an offer. It can't, for sure, go with it. I don't know.

It would be interesting to see, like, the decay. I don't know if that would be free, because I don't. want to do it. I was just to be fulfilling. Yeah. And it wouldn't be you. Okay. I don't know.

No commitment. No commitment on that. Anyway. So I'd be interested to see how the stewards of the home like took care of the stuff. Yeah. I don't want that to be my problem. Sure. But I do want to have everything set up in such a way that conceivably, whoever takes it on could use the stuff.

So like, are you going to rip to studs? I don't know if we'd have to I don't know if you saw Did you see Josh Chan's AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade? I haven't watched it yet So I've been So there's a lot of open walls

But he didn't have to just Rip all the drywall off either Like they're all things that you could conceivably patch And he managed to wire up a lot of that place With Ethernet As he needed to do And so I would want to not be gratuitous about it

but I also wouldn't want to hold back. The idea would be that we're buying something that has kind of like the original kitchen cabinets in it from 1993. You know, like it was overdue for a bit of a spit shine anyway. And then as we go and do that, we're going to techify the place. So like, oh man, shoot, I'm trying to remember who it was. Someone reached out recently. They have this really cool mapping solution for setting up your Wi-Fi axe.

points and it's like super sophisticated and I know like ubiquity has stuff like that but this one looked really cool and one of the reasons that it jumped out to me was that um jol crane who used to work at meta geek is apparently there and he's a super smart guy and so i was like oh okay well yeah if jol's involved then maybe this is really cool and so you know we would we would go in and as we're figuring out where to put all of our ethernet runs you know we do an episode on sort of Wi-Fi coverage mapping and and just all that kind of stuff. But I, but, you know, a lot of the improvements we'd be making also wouldn't be tech. Like putting in new floors and like home reno, home reno stuff.

I, here's, okay, here's a question for you guys is how much appetite would you have for the, the not tech aspects of this? Like, like, and I want to, I want to hear from the audience, right? tech aspects? Okay, so here's, okay, so here, let me, let me give you, let me give you a spectrum of things that are more or less techy. And I, you can tell me where you think the cutoff is. Okay.

Okay. So, uh, putting in new floors, hardwood floors in the living room. Honestly, if this is its own channel. Yeah. I think that's fine. I don't, no, no, it wouldn't be its own channel in its current form. Oh, this is just, I was just joking about, like, having an Nvidia a sponsored home reno channel i wasn't serious about that if if this is on l ttt i think an episode of putting

in new floors is probably not going to be that okay that's fine that's fine sure okay unless you do something weird with the floors so that's where i'm going next okay i'm getting there okay new kitchen cabinets but and you know there's not it's not much tech but one of the things that i have found myself wanting in my place like if we'd redone our cabinets i i had this idea that it turns out is not my idea, because I've seen it done elsewhere now, but I want to be able to take, because my- Could still be your idea if you thought of it before you saw it. My flipping dishwasher never gets things completely dry, especially plastic. So like the little rubber made or Tupperware containers and stuff that you put kids'

lunches in and stuff like that. They're never dry when they come out. And what is even the point of having a drying cycle if I can't immediately take stuff out my dishwasher and put it away. So one of the things that I would love to have in the kitchen cabinets and we'd probably end up DIYing this is I would want to bake in airflow to the cabinets so that you can put everything away wet and then there's just... Oh, this is a thing. Yeah, I know. Oh, right. You said that. But what makes it, what makes it techier is I'd want to, like, DIY it. So we basically have like, knock to a fans. We have like,

we have like a humidity sensor inside or something. I don't know. I mean, most of them just, I'm pitching here. I'm pitching. It's a rack. The bottom of the shelf is instead a rack and it just drips into the sink. Because where are you going to have the runoff water go? So I'm not expecting to put things away wet, wet.

There are like, sometimes there's a cabinet above the sink and the bottom of the cabinet is just a rack that is just open and it just drips into the sink. but that i wouldn't be able to do everything like that like that would only work for like it's a drying rack it's a hidden drying rack yeah like i don't that's not what i want i want when i pull everything out of my i just want some airflow water run well i'm not so i'm not imagining that there would be a ton of water on i don't know how wet your plastic things are when they come what you're like i'm willing to give them a little shake before i put them in right like i or like you know if there's a couple pieces a cutler is usually pretty good because it's metal so

it tends to retain a lot of the heat from the hot water and then that helps it kind of evaporate off of it. But I'm just, what I'm asking is this, is this, is that techy enough? If we put some fans in a kitchen cabinet, let's boil it down to that. It's a little rough. But once you start getting the humidity sensors and stuff like that, I think it gets maybe okay. Okay. What if I didn't have a humidity sensor? What if it wasn't that sophisticated? If it's just fans in a cabinet and you just flip a switch, I think that's a little rough. Okay. Okay. Personally. What do, what do, what do you guys think do you want to throw a poll on the float plane people there

Dan see if uh see what they think yeah we know okay we know the polls don't work perfectly so it's like what if the fans were RGB uh yeah it doesn't change well no no hold on are you sure like okay because you know how you'll have your your kitchen cabinets that are closed right hear me out no i'm hearing you i'm writing a note sorry uh okay you know how you'll have your kitchen cabinets that are that are closed like they're solid right but then you'll also have your display ones right like that's where i

my glass from Timmy Tech TV and any of that you like are collectibles or anything like that. The TimuTech TV glass is sick. So what if what if as part of your your more techy cabinets you have like RGB strips in your display cabinets or something like that?

Like are we getting there? Is it moving the needle for you at all? Just because I think I hate that so much more than leaving it alone that I wouldn't want to see it. What if it wasn't what if you didn't use the RGB to turn it green and purple? Like what if it was more just like

you have color temperature control lights so you could have them have like a cooler light on your display or you know whatever all right I want to see the results here our cabinet's techy enough I'm not sure if I got what you were going for

but that sounds good yeah no no that's fine okay it seems pretty split it looks pretty split so far so okay good to know but I think we're probably on the same page that as soon as there's any kind humidity sensing what if we what if the humidity sensor was really hard because it turns out humidity sensors can be a bit of a challenge i was looking into making a cabinet um and i'm i understand it's called a humidor i don't smoke cigars but uh i wanted to make a cabinet for um storing badminton shuttles okay and the reason for that is that high humidity will help the feathers not be as brittle

when you're playing so it makes them last longer now that they are so flipping expensive that's kind of a bigger deal than it's ever been and uh one of the things that i ran up against is like consumer commodity that actually not that not that simple most of the DIY humidor stuff other than just buying a humidor i'm assuming most of the DIY humidor stuff that i've seen is just like essentially putting like bags of orbies into a sealed wooden container like like very unsophisticated how do you Just non-diy-purchasable humidors stay humid. Well, they're small.

They're for cigars, for the most part. It turns out that most people are either building a little, little tiny humidore. It was so cute. Cigar. Or they're building an industrial humidity environmental chamber. The cigar sniff was amazing. My goodness. Can you tell I've never smoked a cigar?

That was slightly convincing, though, I feel like that. All right. Well, thank you. So, yeah, there's not really much in the in between. Nobody is talking about how to store badminton shuttles in a humidore, believe it or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right.

Let me let me let. But humidity detecting devices are all over the place. Okay. All right. It just, it could be really hard to tune it for just like a little bit of, there's a little bit of moisture on a tougher where I put in here. That's, that's my main concern. but okay what about this what if i had like uh what if i had um uh uh uh an an opening sensor on the door and whenever you open it it kind of assumes that you're probably doing something and it blows

the fence for a bit would that level of automation make it techy enough i think the spirit of that level of automation sure i think that application sucks but i think i get your point of okay how about this some form of trigger event what if all the shelves what if the shelves were quite custom and what if they they were made out of some kind of cool material that allowed everything to be put away wet and there was like integrated like drainage channels and stuff in the back or something so you could put anything on any shelf you want and even like soaking dripping wet and it would like go somewhere or something without molding sounds disgusting but let's say we could do it hypothetically my my current brain due to current events is like no because of all the mold well yeah sure um but

we design it so that it can be hosed out you take your dishes out and you can hose them down the the the problem that i see with that is just i don't see the tech integration there maybe if you did it with like pc water cooling hardware i mean why does it have to be pc water cooling hardware. I mean, nothing else about the house is going to be PC. PC water cooling hardware could eventually just be like copper pipes and packs and whatever. Yeah, exactly. I don't really

kind of irrelevant. I don't think that's necessary. Yeah, I agree. Okay. All right. I either way, I don't think we're that far off. I think it couldn't just be angled metal trays though. And fans. And fans. And custom shelves that are perforated. And we'd have to build in like an airflow path. We'd have to

have venting to somewhere. Could this be, is, is any of the goal of this place also, like, green tech? Like, are you doing solar panels? It would have to be. Could this be, like, water reclaiming? No. There's not enough. Not enough.

Yeah, it wouldn't be worth it. In my brain, your, your dishes come out so wet. No, they really don't. I'm continually realizing that is not. No, it runs a drying cycle, Luke. It just doesn't finish everything. I've just, you've always, like, massively stuffed your dishwasher loads. Well, yeah.

So I'm, like, not super surprised they come out a little. people live in my house. I don't blame you. And no, it's the plastic stuff, because those rubber made containers, they have the little ridge on the bottom that makes them stackable. Yeah.

And so it's like a pool up there. It can't dry. Yeah. So it's frustrating. I'm trying to find. All right. Anyway, did you guys have anything that you particularly wanted to see us do in the tech house?

Like, I've got a whole dock of ideas, but if there's any brilliant ideas you guys have, I'm super open to it. Like, I want to do conduit basically everywhere. I want to do it differently from how we did it in my place. Oh, man. I hope this isn't like pseudoscience junk, but I'm rather certain it's not.

I'd like to see like CO2 management. Oh, okay. Just like monitoring. So if you're like landing in the basement. Yeah. And the CO2 levels get really high. Sure. Like do something so airflow starts getting better.

I think an alarm that goes off is probably. about all you'd really need to do there. I mean, that's like a 10-minute project, though. Sure, but that could be part of just like an overall episode on air quality manager. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Air quality management, I think, would be pretty sweet. Oh, yeah, we actually have a video coming soon on, well, soon, TM, but we've been looking

into, like, monitoring water quality as well for, like, microplastics and stuff like that. So, like, a whole home filtration system is something we would absolutely be looking into for. You're not going to be very healthy due to all the games. So we're going to do whatever we can. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I like it. I'd love to do more with, like, hidden tech. So, you know, having a, having a rec room, for instance, where it's not obvious that there's a giant TV in it.

My, like, eventual goal is for my living room area to not look like there's basically any tech going on at all. Yeah, and the TV is the toughest one. I've heard of all kinds of just whack-a-doodle implementations of, like, hidden TV panels or, like, they, like, come out of the ceiling and freaking, like, on, like, these, like, motorized arms and stuff. I don't think we'd go that far, because, right, coming back to my conversation with James, the target audience for this house shouldn't quite be me. It shouldn't be someone who's willing to tolerate half of the things in their life being broken at any given time. because they want they just wanted to tinker with it right um so i'm imagining but i also don't want to just go full money is absolutely no object so we're just going to like hire a contractor and spend a hundred thousand dollars on an articulating tv i don't think we need to hide the tv but i i do think a buried

subwoofer in the backyard so that we can shake the entire back lawn so we can annoy our neighbors or whatever like we don't have to do that kind of stuff i do really like the idea though that it seems like a fairly normal house and then you see the like utility closet or whatever where you have like a little server thing running and then you're like wait what's going on in here and then it like has to be revealed from there all the different cool things that are happening a j says he hooked up sensors to listen to fire and CO2 alarms from his central kitty system so i could see modifications of like factory factory monitoring systems right yeah being something that would be additive well there's so that way like they could still just use the telis app or whatever for their for their monitoring but if they you know if it's working at the moment and if they feel like tinkering with it there could be another level deeper that they could go like that would be one way to do it i know of at least one CO2 and humidity and some other stuff sensor that has just an API yeah so you could like set up just a little box that doesn't look of much consequence and tie event triggers into

man i am uh oh wow euro blues suggests we call it big nerd gaming house that's not bad i'm so into it that's not bad at all big nerd gaming house the b and gh that's not bad that's not bad i like the acronym um yeah well did they did these guys have any particular suggestions uh you oh uvb and uvc air cleaners. Okay, so that's something that I'm a little sort of on the fence about is there seems to be a lot of conflicting information about exactly how clear you necessarily, or clean you necessarily want your air. Like, air quality from a pollution standpoint here is not a major concern. Yeah, it's basically just if there's like a fire. Yeah, and so I, um, I don't know that we would necessarily put like hardcore air filtration into the place.

um but i could see us putting in something that would be like compatible with something like that in the in the central ducted air conditioning or something depends on where you live but like in and i know this is a house but like my apartment has massive issues with um people who smoke both i mean a variety of things cigar cigarettes weed on their balconies yeah and then it flows into other people's units that's a bit of an air quality annoyance Jack 33 in floatplane chat says, I have air filtration. It's amazing if you have a neighbor that smokes.

Yep. Yeah. Matt Man asks, have you considered not buying the house and taking applications to rent with someone else's property? We've considered that, but the reason we wouldn't do that is because we're expecting this project

to take place over one to two years. Dude, that could get so annoying. Yeah, we can't be up in someone's business. Yeah. For that long. It just doesn't make any sense. It sounds cool. then you really need to film and they have like a big social thing or they have a baby well

that's kind of what i mean something a family event level social issue and like it's really not acceptable to go in there at that time oh trash networks and jad how's it going carbon filters do great at removing smells works great with frank the snake then i'm going to use my floatplane privileges and post a frank the snake oh okay thank you for that luke that's Very helpful. Why don't we jump on to our next topic then, since clearly we're done with this? You want to pick one? Sure.

We can continue the ad hoc topics. We should probably do some of the topics that we announced that we would. You know what? No, it's up to you. You pick. I announced ad hoc topics. You did, but that's like six topics. We have a weird follow-up.

I got an email. I got an email really that is our number two topic of the show that Luke received an email from Character Day AI emailed me from me and it said Linus Sebastian sent you a message Hey hey so remember when we were chatting with the wild world of AI and relationships So I open it up and it has Linus's picture and Linus's name and it said Linus Sebastian sent you a message I haven't clicked on anything This doesn't seem okay at all That's crazy

That's wild Wow Oh yeah I mean I can go look at it Wow it just keeps talking It's just been talking Huh So what's the

What's the That's so bothers Whoa, whoa, whoa, what's the rest of this message here? Sorry, I can't read it. It's a little bit small. Hey, hey, so remember when we were chatting with a wild world of AI and relationships? Well, guess what I just stumbled upon in the depths of the internet? People using AI voices to recreate their exes just to have one last conversation.

Can you imagine? That's a rough suggestion from Character, AI, a website that you could do that on. It must be super surreal to hear a machine mimic someone you used to have a connect. with but here's the thing do you think that might bring closure or just stir up old feelings that is so gross oh i don't even feel good after reading that that is so icky they do know that black mirror was not a playbook that was meant to be followed right oh That's such a, like, you could do this on the site that you're currently on, by the way, recreate your ex, do it now. Like, that's what that message is.

It could give you closure. No, it won't. Or it could stir up old feelings. Yeah, that's probably more likely. Also, like, if you're in a headspace where that even sounds remotely like a good idea, I guarantee you it is not the closure one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. I had never clicked on it. I didn't know it was that bad. I don't like that. That's weird. I don't like that that's my name and likeness. No. Not even a little. That's so not okay. It's super duper not okay. Um, they're lucky I'm not litigious.

that I am 100% not okay with that. Oh, look, I just noticed you have a, you have a job. I what? Look. I have a job. You host Linus Tech Tips. Yeah. So this is like very literally, definitely me.

And the only plausible deniability they have here is that these are user generated. These are submitted by users. So if anyone was thinking, hey, I should submit Linus to one of these things. The answer is, I'm not okay with that. So you can kind of take that for what. it is um and you can make a weird um what what's something oh thing but you might as well know you're doing it completely without my consent i wanted not just without my consent but against my express wishes i can also pretty much guarantee that i could get this thing to say something

that you would hate i don't think that'll be necessary i won't go through it but like i think that's quite enough of i think that's quite enough of talking about that yeah watch this i'm going to alt shift five it there's there see now the topic is done why don't we jump into one of our other topic okay no here's another quick one uh zip tie tuning uploaded a video today as many of many many of you have been pointing out in the chat yes and in terms of you know what to say about it i wish i could say more i i miss the days of like you know people's last day bringing them on to WAN show and like, you know, doing a whole, doing a whole thing, posting videos together. When we were young.

I know. It's gotten far more complicated. So as we mentioned before, back when Alex and Andy announced their channel, our policy is not to comment on staff departures, whether it's on good or bad terms. Because unfortunately, it turns it into a situation where if we comment and we say something good, then people will make assumptions whenever we don't comment based on whatever we don't say. And those assumptions are usually super wrong at best and super, super dumb at worst. So what I will do is I'll reiterate that we make the best efforts to part on good terms

that we can. We wish Alex and Andy nothing but the best. And since we're on the subject, Jake has also come out of stealth that he has departed. And we wish him nothing. but the best as well. Just like we wish everyone who has ever departed Linus Media Group one way or another, nothing but the best in their future endeavors. All right, that's

Thoris Gump style, that's all I have to say about that. Xbox or EA. Which one do you want to do? I mean, is this like as a one night stand or is this for life? The other one is kill. Is kill? Yep. So I have to pick Do and Kill?

Yep. That's insane. Is that a thing? Is this a game people play? I've never heard of this. Really? Yeah. What is this?

Do and kill? Okay, Dan. Me and Luke. Do. No, I kid. No, he's better. Let me get my list. You heard of slash fiction?

Um, yeah, wait, you have you actually not heard of this? Oh, oh, oh, fuck, Mary Kill. Yeah. Okay, I recognize that. I've never played that. I've heard that, I've heard that, I've heard that, I've heard those words together in that order before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I was trying to avoid saying the first one, because I, my, my, my, well, yeah, but my steam deck was behind my, my laptop. Stream deck, but yes.

That. See, I knew that was going to be a problem. it yeah for sure from day one i was like this is going to be a problem i was like kind of annoyed when they announced the name just because of that but i mean makes sense i don't know whatever which one i don't even remember the options anymore so hit me uh xbox or yeah oh ugh oh xbox which one is it i don't know i well oh what oh you're going to actually make me do this?

No, I'm just messing. We can do the Xbox topic. I don't even know how you break that down. You know what? No, no, no, no. No, I'm going to do it. I like it. I just don't know how you.

I'm going to do it. Okay, so let's weigh some pros and cons. EA wouldn't treat me right, but it would support me financially with all of that FIFA money. Yeah. Microsoft would also support you financially. Relationship microtransactions. Hold on.

Yeah. No, because, yeah, see, that's the thing. No, the topic is Xbox, not Microsoft. So then Xbox has a really, really high chance of leaving you. But I'd probably be happier with Xbox while I was with it. You might not be with it for very long. Not because, yeah, but what a ride. You might have a really fantastic relationship.

And then they just dump you for no reason. That's true. Well, even though you did really, really great all of the time, we just spent all of our money buying other studios and now we need to lose some costs. So you just released a game And you won't release a game for a while Or you just did something nice And that means you won't do something nice for a while

So we're going to break up with you On that subject, by the way Oh, Linus laptop is apparently dead On that subject I don't know if you saw Based Lena Khan being like Oh, I can bring that up I told you so

It's just lower in the dock Oh, is it? Cool I got it nice There we go click it press the button oh yeah

there you go yeah just you know being like yeah so remember when you know Microsoft wanted to buy

Activision Blizzard and I was all like this will lead to higher prices and layoffs well yeah I told you so

so here's a plot of Netflix's price increases over the same period of time and game passes price increases

and how they were kind of tracking somewhat, you know, ish, like, kind of like they would. And then there was a massive change. And, oh, by the way, that line right there. Almost exactly one year after acquisition. Yes. Cool. So, yeah. And that's on top of the, like, exodus of, well, I shouldn't say Exodus, because Exodus is our exodai, are voluntary. So this is after Microsoft has closed studios, laid off staff.

And of course, because she's too base to say, I told you so, she didn't actually say that. She just kind of like drew the whole situation out. Yeah. Yeah. I've said this before, but, Lena, come to Canada. Come be our prime minister. I'd be okay with it.

That'd be great. We'd be super down. I'd vote for you. campaign for you? She has, I would too. She has just such she's a shining beacon of well, fucking obviously common sense in a world

that has a severe lack of the aforementioned well fucking obviously common sense. Yeah. I'm married already but I'd have your babies. I love there was there was someone who asked Grock under

her tweet to figure out the inflation and cost of power increases over the same period as if those wouldn't have also affected Netflix. Yeah. That was awesome. It is amazing. I thought that was fantastic. Watching people

twist themselves into logic pretzels. No, I need to be abused as a consumer. Take more of my money. Trying to shield, trying to shield multi, in some cases, companies with trillion dollar valuations from being

criticized it's it why do you just love the taste of leather it's not leather it tastes like that it's the dye it's not healthy it's not good for you oh kills brain cells oh okay uh it's like it's like it's like licking the boot is not enough we have to fillate it Which is difficult, but they try really hard. Some of them accomplish. Anyway, I'm going to go EA because at least it can support me financially and it'll be around. I mean, what's the worst thing it ever did? Kill a couple journalists?

It might. Oh, can I go there? So why don't we get into the topic? Do you want to read through the doc? Okay. Xbox might be dying And it's doing it to... Oh, no, we're doing EA.

Oh, okay, never mind. E.A. I can't say that and then we not give them the context. Yeah, good, good call. Jesus. E.A. going private in largest private equity buyout ever. On September 29th, E.A. announced that they have been acquired by PIF, PIF, Silver Lake, and affinity partners for

55 billion dollars. Silver Lake Partners is managed by Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law, and PIF is a Saudi Arabia fund, which already had a roughly 9.9% stake in EA, but also has many other video game investments, such as a minority share in Nintendo. I did know about that. Each share will be receiving $210 per share, roughly $40 more than the trading price the day before the deal was announced. And many people, and gaming journalists showed concern for this deal given that both the history of PIF and Jared Kushner's relationship

with one journalist Christopher Dring writing in quotes the numbers just don't add up the offer almost values EA at 20 times its annual cash flow there's clearly something more at play and then end quote or wait

no this is just a really long quote. This deal is about Saudi Arabia. This is about using the cultural power of games to shift its reputation and perception, both locally and internationally. This is about building up a game development industry within that country, and it's about the Saudi's history with the Trump administration, and in particular, Jared Kushner. Ultimately, this is about powerful men and regimes using our industry for political and economic game. So that's attributed to Christopher Christopher Drink. That was all a quote from the numbers just don't let up.

Yeah. Next bullet point, no longer quote. How will this affect the company's day-to-day operations will remain to be seen? But in the employee FAQ asking about layoffs, EA's response was there will be no immediate changes to your job, team, or daily work as a result of this transaction. This partnership gives us the ability to move faster and unlock new opportunities on a global stage. Discussion question. For years, the online meme or default has been to hate on EA for a lot of their practices in the game industry, whether it's effective, sorry, aggressive microtransactions or just boring repetitive titles like their sports games. Theoretically, is a private buyout the solution of this? Since the new owners are no longer legally bound to improve shareholder value as a private company and instead could maybe do what the players want?

I mean, if that were the case, then every private equity buyout would be good. Good. Argument already in shambles. No. I don't think so. Public shareholders, you have a fiduciary responsibility to a private shareholder as well. The only difference is that it's going to be dictated by whatever private agreement you signed with them rather than whatever public agreement you have with them. It's okay.

If they get too much backlash over this, they'll just buy a bunch more celebrities and it'll be all right. Yeah. Have you seen what's going on in comedy? Oh, yeah. Right now? That sucks. it's been pretty it's been pretty fascinating to watch people's principled stances um fold in half yeah um don't need that much money bruh you know you don't know that

i'm just i'm just saying i'm i can't speak for i can't speak for all of them would you sell to the saudi government no what's your what would you're okay but i don't probably but what would the line be But I don't need the money. So that's what I'm saying. Is there a line, though? Hold on, hold on. I want to finish that point first. Okay.

So the point before was they don't need the money. Right, right, right, right. And what I said was, you don't know that. I was talking about a particular one. Okay, I don't, I'm not talking about anyone in particular. Yeah. I know there are multiple ones that have taken very principled stances in the past. Yeah.

And that clearly for whom free speech and the things that they supposedly stand for were not as important as this payday. I do not, I cannot say definitively that every single one of them doesn't need this bag. That's all I'm saying. As for me, would I sell to the Saudis? No. I don't, I don't, I don't think there's, all you had to do is like, hey, the crown prince is like a super cool dude. He's pretty awesome. I like hanging out with him. I wish I could spend more time with him. I've been invited to Saudi Arabia and Dubai on probably more than a dozen occasions over the years. You didn't know that because I've never gone. But what if it was like a billion dollars?

It wouldn't be, but what if it was? Yeah, I... This is about to go to a very different place. We don't have to. No, no, no, that's fine. All right. Different place. I didn't say a bad place.

Okay. But I don't know if you noticed, but we uploaded a compilation video of Scrapyard Wars 10 yesterday. Yes. Yeah. I don't know if you checked on it, But over a span of the first four hours, it got 15,000 views, which is, you know, you know, that whole LTT really fell off meme? You know, where people will be like, what, only 100 views in 10 seconds? LTT fell off. Like actually felt like that? Well, I had to think about what that would mean, right? If all of a sudden, that tanked our channel momentum.

to the point where every video was going to get, you know, 20 to 30,000 views. I had to think about what that would mean, right? And there was a really cool comment on one of the, I think it was either on the ZTT video or it was on Reddit. I can't remember where I saw it, but basically... ZTT. Zip Titooning? Oh, Zach's TechTurf? Oh, I use Z and Z interchangeably.

I don't really care. Whatever flows better. I do the same thing. I don't really. I was just madden me. So, what was I saying? Really, you derailed me for that?

You know what? I had it coming. You probably owed me a few of those. Oh yeah, I saw a really cool comment that basically said something along the lines of if Linus's legacy at the end of all of this

is a bunch of offshoot channels doing really incredible work, having cut their teeth, at Linus Media Group and create a warehouse and float plane and who go out and go forth and create incredible content and products and technology for years to come, you know, long after he retires. Well, that'd be pretty cool. Technically, at its route, your goal was to start little fires, right?

I mean, yeah. That's how I've always described it. It's a pretty crazy version of that. It is. It's not a way that I had necessarily thought about it as much before. But, I mean, it's cool, though. One of the nuggets of wisdom that is stuck with me from the owner at NCIX was from when I submitted my resignation. And he tried to talk me out of it a little bit. But once he figured out that I had made up my mind, he basically said, okay, well, let's figure out how to do this.

And I was like, oh, that was it. And he's like, well, nobody works at the same place forever. and I just I was like oh yeah I can't of course not like of course I wasn't going to work here forever some people totally do yeah NCI actually cultures Japan that are like very largely based around that not here yeah yeah yeah um and and I mean NCIX itself had only existed since I think 1996 or something like that like 94 I can't remember exactly what year it started but like NCIX was a relatively young company when I when I left it in in 2012 like it'd only been around for 15 years. Like, why would I assume that I was going to, a 15 year old company or 18 year old

company or whatever it was, I was going to work there for 65 years? Like, that's not, that's not realistic. That's not a reasonable, or until I was 65, excuse me. That's not a reasonable assumption, right? And so it was something that I've, that I, you know, I, I, I valued keeping the same team around. I've always been, like, try to keep the bend together kind of, kind of person. I mean, You know that, right? But I also recognized that that wasn't going to be possible forever. And the best case scenario was that people would, was that Linus Media Group would look really amazing on a resume.

And I wanted that. Obviously, if people are really great, like I'd rather they work here. But if it could just be an amazing, like, like, centerpiece of your job history, Well, that's pretty cool, too. At this point, it's the only part of mine that matters at all. Yeah, what else did you have? Like, picking blueberries and, like, cutting lawns, like, honestly. That was part of this.

I know. I can put, I can have that as, like, line items. What did I do? That should just be my only two line items. What did I do when I worked here? I picked blueberries and mowed lawns. No, I think, I'm trying to remember. technically NCX

before then was self-employed before then would have been bread factory nice so like okay before bread factory would be more self-employment but also geek squad so like dude I don't know

what's the point sometimes I will get resumes from people that have like quite a few years of like their career and then also like yeah I worked at like McDonald's and Best Buy it's like

I don't think I needed to know all the way back I don't like I don't I don't know there's so many different opinions on how resumes should be made I try not to judge too many of the small decisions but like yeah I don't know it doesn't mean anything to me at that point coming back to what we were actually talking about which was you know where I was going um up one of the places that my mind went seeing that performance on the channel was okay what if this is it right because For that Scrapardores, they always do really bad, I thought.

Not that bad. But this is also one that everybody just saw. Not even close to that bad. And they just watched this one. Well, it's not happening in a vacuum, though. We had our lowest day for viewership in years, like three days ago. We are about to have our lowest day for viewer, our lowest month for viewership in probably about five or six years this year.

So whether, whether you want to point at, I don't think it's all the apocalypse, right? So whether you want to point at, you know, an aging out or interesting out audience or whether you want to point at sort of my various controversies or hot takes or, you know, whatever over the years, I think there's a, I think there's a natural decay in interest in a public figure or in a band or in a TV show, any form of media that takes place. I don't think anything can be popular forever. and so I've been telling myself since the very very beginning someday my son will set

right it will happen yeah and and so you know there have been various times over the years and you know because you've had a front row seat for all of it that I've sat there and I've gone okay maybe this is it this could be it right

and hold on because I'm still I still need to answer your question sure I'm getting there I promise and so when I think thought about that, right? Like, I have options. I could still sell the asset. But when I was sitting there thinking about it just now, and this is no guarantee of what my actions would or wouldn't be because it was just, you know, dark thoughts at a dark time, right? I was like, no. I think

I think the only viable options would be to bow out gracefully rather than sell to P.E. I don't think I would want to do that. I don't pull a Jack Sparrow, ride the ship into the harbor just like as it sinks. And the only, like the thing that bothered me most about that thought was that our world-class team would have to update their resumes with hopefully a really outstanding piece to put on it. Would you, like, part it out? I mean, we could. This is a weird line of thinking to even go down at all, especially publicly, but like... Yeah, I mean, it's not impossible.

Technically, Creator Warehouse is a separate company from Float Plain, which is a separate company from Linus Media Group. I think those are the main ones. There might be some other companies that kind of do little things here and there. At this point, if you shut operations down, shutting down Float Plain would hurt other creators. But tell me this, you know, what, what would be better for, let's take, let's take it, let's take a completely hypothetical, right? Like, what would be better for someone like a Colton and the team at Disneyland if we parted out their department and sold it? Or if we did a severance package that

gives them a little kick in the ass and then they go and create an agency? What would be better for them. Would it be viable for it to be an option? Oh, I have no idea. I have no idea. If it's viable for it to be an option, like each individual can either take a severance or keep riding the wave and see where it goes, then I think that would be the way that I would like it to go, leave it up to the employee. And I think it would have to be something that would be a conversation, right? Because not everyone would feel the same way that you would. To be very clear, like, it's, uh, I don't actually think that this is the end and one of the one of the cool yeah if there's any employees watching right now I was honestly very surprised when I saw that title come up as a newly published video I was

like really yeah I didn't know right after right after the season ended I didn't know we were doing that I'm not surprised it's not getting views yeah it's all good but like just um anyway the point is don't don't don't freak out because we are still operating extremely sustainably we have um we're done a very good job we're not one thing now of diversifying yeah and sometime it's it's another group's turn to hold the ship together yep and and and uh and that doesn't mean that you know one group that's that is that that no one else is carrying any weight or anything like that it just means that we are uh we're a bigger machine which comes with the disadvantages of being a bigger machine. We're not as nimble as we used to be.

I think our brand has suffered a lot for being so transparent about the fact that I'm not just a guy in his house making tech videos. I mean, a lot of, a lot of YouTubers, whether you guys are aware of it or not, or you think about it, or you don't, are enormous machines with lawyers and agents and employees. This has been really surprising to me. I've been having more and more conversations with creators. over the last two years especially. And you don't know that because it's just them in front of the camera.

Look and all like they're just them in front of the camera. You think it's one or two bit operations? You end up figuring out it's like 15. It's like, whoa, like where did that come from? So we've just been extremely transparent about it, but that doesn't mean that we are any different from necessarily any other YouTube operation, right? And some of them don't want that disclosed, which is why I'm not naming. Yeah, well, yeah, right?

Because it's a perspective thing. To go back and do it again, right? like it has clearly been not beneficial to our brand and to my image for us to be a corporation and for us to put our employees front and center right like from a corporate standpoint was there any benefit to to the corporation to people gaining notoriety here and then taking that and going out and doing their own thing no of course not personally i'm happy to to see people spread their wings, but from a corporate standpoint, no. From a corporate standpoint, it should all hyperfeed into Linus fame.

Exactly. And boosting Linus's image. Like, it's not good for... They're like our creators that will label work done by their employees. It's just theirs because that's not their brand. I know. This is totally a thing. I know.

And it's been very fascinating. To watch the way that my image has sort of been morphed over the years, because I'm not perfect. I make lots and lots and lots of mistakes. Yeah, see, exactly, right? I make tons of mistakes, but some of the things that I have done over the years were done with a very high degree of intention. Like, one of the things that I do when I co-host with people is I make myself the foil,

the clown, the one who asks the silly questions, or pretends that I don't understand it. Like when I was shooting with Charles. Interview style stuff. When I was shooting with Charles, thugger. So we had the video that came out earlier this week chasing overclocking records, and then we had the one that came out before

where we were looking at his sub-zero chiller that we purchased off of him. He hasn't worked with me very much, especially not on camera. And so what kept happening when we were making the video on the chiller is I would ask him a question and then he would explain it and then I would have him

I'd have him do another take and I'd ask him again he'd be like I just explain this to you I'm like no no it's just for the camera like I understand it and he's like oh but apparently I was so convincing in pretending that I didn't know what he was talking about in order to get in order to get him to be the one to explain it is his baby right he built it

and so to me I feel like he should have a chance to explain it and it's just been it's been fascinating to to watch the way that that has been sort of turned into that I'm all about me 100% all the time.

Observing your own fame is fascinating. Yeah, I don't know. Oh yeah, I remember where I wanted to go with this. I've been trying to figure out what it is that makes this podcast or live stream, whatever you want to call it, tolerable to anyone.

Because do you even remember where we started here? Yeah. Well, sort of. Would I take the Saudi money? Yeah. Right. So, you know how everyone who works here, like, has ADD? Yeah.

You think all the viewers do? I think they must. It's the only way any of this could make any sense. So that they can come with us. Because I'm trying to imagine someone in their car, right? Like, they're driving, they're on a road trip somewhere, and they're trying to listen to this bullshit. and follow along with it.

And it's just like, Dan, hit them with a pull. You got to hit them with a pole now. I do think that makes sense because I was at an event earlier this week. I suspect you guys all have exactly the same problem as me, which is why you don't even realize that it's a problem. Yeah. I was at an event earlier this week, and I tangented before I really started a proper sentence, like four or five times.

And I paused and apologized. And both people, like, physically recoiled from the apology. And we're like, don't worry. We both have ADD. It's fine. We were following you. And I was like, oh, okay. Never mind.

We're good. Lordy. Yeah, okay. So we're sitting at around 69%. Nice. Nice. Nice. Yeah.

Jurasol in float plane chat says, we are ADD. Borg. Resistance is... Oh, butterfly. What was that? Oh, I was going to say something about... Oh, right.

Yeah. The diversification. We really appreciate our float goats, by the way, along with the people who support us through... What? Float goats is crazy. That's new, isn't it? No. I don't think I've heard float goats before.

That's not new. Have you heard that before? Yikes. No, I have not. What's wrong with float goats? That's messed up, dude. To describe the float-ins subscribers. Nothing, dude.

Float. Floating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They have really good.

Well, they don't fly, but boy, do they ever, like, they sit on the top of the water, like, the greatest of all time. Is it very nice when they're floating? I think so. What? Am I missing something here? Is this? Good. Is this sexual?

Yeah, dude. What, goat? Greatest of all time. What rhymes with goat? For sure. Mote? Doot? Float, Dan.

What runs with float? Root? No, not goat. Float. Runge and got it. Float. do you actually not get this note do you actually not get this coat are you getting better at acting I actually have no idea what you're talking okay okay float hey other people

this is extremely ADHD dot O Oat foote goat C Ote G Hote I I Ote Cote Cout Cote Cout Cote Cote C Jote K Coat M moat N note O Oote Pote Q quote R

wrote S-sote T-toat It's so close Toot What's another T-1? What's another T-1? Pick a different T-1

I was 100% convince you he's just going to say it and then get it and then he said toot oh throat there you go good good job you completely blunts out of me with the tote

worst joke I didn't see tote coming at all it's a word what do you want for me for sure you're right I just didn't see it carry it around a little spring it with you oh

throat goat ridiculous what were we talking about ADHD I think you were talking about ADHD we were coming off of the back of the I was thanking our our float to goats I have a list

it's a disability you can't make fun of me for it I'm a protected class now our float goats stop are supporters on float plane are you happy Yeah. All right.

Okay, so I was thanking our supporters on Throat Plain. I'm just bugging them at this point. Oh, man. For helping make us more resilient against any kind of interruptions in our business. I think you guys might have seen not that long ago when we did the How Does El MG Make Money Video that adds sense is like less than 10% of our revenue now. So we are a lot less susceptible to momentary changes in momentum on the channel. but we do have to figure out how to get viewership up it's a throat plane that's actually pretty cool um was that the one that was made for that car that was like manufactured across the

atlantic or whatever is that this the special one military plane that carries planes oh no that's a different one yeah um yeah i don't actually remember what it's called but c5 galaxy yeah yeah okay um anyway if anyone else wants to subscribe on float plane that's cool but we do have to we do have to figure out the viewership thing and i think the tech house I think that doing some bigger serialized content is going to be a huge part of getting back to the way things were. And also, I want to do some more back to basic stuff. Me too.

So Ploof. I want that to happen. When Ploof came to Whale-Lan, he didn't want to haul his giant alien wear. And as someone who owns a display, he doesn't mind purchasing a display. So he just went to Best Buy and was like, okay, what is the minimum viable monitor? And you got a 1080P, I want to say it was 23 or 24-inch IPS for $70. So we're just going to make a video about it. It's like, actually, that's not a bad title.

Dan, can you send that to ploof? Minimum viable product or like minimum viable monitor. Or like, maybe we could. That can be a series really quick. Yeah, yeah, I think we could have like, yeah, series. Let's just call it minimum viable product. so gaming monitor minimum viable product episode one or something like that buying it buying the buying the bare minimum gaming monitor minimum viable product or like something along those lines i think we could

make minimum viable product a series so mvp is it's more of like a software term um for like your the the basic sort of spec that you think is is shipable um but i guess i guess you could also use it in hardware. It's used in a variety of spaces. In the hardware space as well. But yeah. Oh, dude, I love it. I like it because, you know, financial times are so tough. And it's, financial times are tough, but it's hard to get people to watch content about cheap things. I know.

Which is a very frustrating combination. It's so frustrated. People get so mad at you for making videos about expensive stuff. I'm like, bro, that's all you watch. And they don't watch the cheap things. But if you can make it interesting, like we do is scrap herd wars and hopefully with minimum viable product. Minimum viable purchase is pretty good, too. That's not bad. That's from...

That's not bad at all. Gwareme or something, whatever. I'm not even going to try to pronounce that. Either one of those works. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's pretty cool. I want... Well, see, here's the thing.

So Pugboy 1321 says, as a poor people, I love seeing budget-friendly stuff. Okay, but that's the problem. We're a product-focused channel. And so how do I put this gently? Regardless of the cost of the item, a lot of people undergoing financial hardship are simply not shopping for anything.

So that affiliates are lower and pitiful ad rev. I'm not even talking about that. I'm just talking views. Somehow. You know the whole K-shaped recovery thing? Like it is actually, it is more, I was reading yesterday that the 20% of the luxury goods market is apparently the top 1% of earners.

so when you think about that you think about like the PC industry or whatever like your top if you expand that top 1% you expand it to 10% I think it's something like 50% of all purchases so you are actually better off

making a video about a 5070 or a 5080 compared to making a video about onboard graphics because if you think about when we were there yeah we were scrapyard warsing yeah we're buying used so we're not in the

I bought all my stuff second hand back then the new stuff was for like other people's builds usually yeah and then that stuff was for me to buy one generation later at a steeply discounted price because apparently these people don't care about money yeah like i still remember you know you you build in a case and you get them to upgrade their fans and then the case the fans that came with the case are yours now i still remember the guy that i bought my sly 70 700 gt x is from because he was selling them that it would be sick if you could figure who the heck that was. Because he was going Crossfire X-1900

or X-1950 X-TXs or something like that. And I was like so, you know, not to be rude or anything, but like Anantac did a head-to-head of these and like the one that you're upgrading to is worse. And he was literally like, I just want to try it. And like when I'm done with it,

and video will probably have something new and I'll just move to that anyway. And I was like That's crazy Sick, thanks for the card See ya Do you Do you need a young boy to do anything for you? What is that?

What did you call the full-play subscribers? I got dad I heard him behind the TV I don't know if his mic was unmuted But I got dad pretty good um sure did he where are we at did he get off yet

I mean he got off a lot of times but like the he's just trying to get his he's trying to get his sentence reduced people talking about pardons is he really yeah I don't know you know let's not talk about Sean did he Coombs combs

I don't know how to pronounce the name is it C-O-M-B-S commie commies like a communist I don't know Are you not know any of these terms? I don't call me.

It's not what he said. You just misheard me. Yeah, sure. Okay. Oh, man. Wow. Cummies? Is that a thing?

These are going to just end up as a soundboard. You're training the AI saying these words. No wonder you didn't know what Hard R was. What am I missing? here. Wait, you still don't know? What? I can't explain this.

Mine is gaslight tips. How do I do that? Is it sexual? Yes. It's a cutesy term for the whole word minus all of the letters past the first three.

What, like semen? Yeah. Well, you can't just say that? You could just say that. What do you mean you can't explain it? That's not cute. That's not cute. Please, Mr.

May I have some of your semen? Some of your comings? That's not adorable. What is wrong with you? All right. Next. See, if I were to try to define comies, I would think it's something more along the lines of like congealed semen in the shape of like little bears. They're like the fruit snacks we buy.

Those ones are... Endureship gone. Oh my God. What the heck was that? That's, that's clever. Oh, no, dude. Oh, no. Oh, my God.

Do we do sponsors now? Maybe we should have a, there might need to be a buffer. Just anything. Anything needs to go there. Maybe just like a gaping. Oh, fuck. Cynarder.

between the... Yeah, we just put this in a jar for later. Aw. Okay, we need something. Speaking of... No, let's not talk about that right now. Okay.

Go find an actual topic for crying out loud. Whaleand? No, no. No, one of the topics the writers prepared, so we get through some of them. Okay, sure. We're supposed to do the CW.

Google and Apple cracked. Yeah, but we know. need a we need a topic. Do one of them ADHD Awareness Month Linus. Dude, the sponsors are probably only going to watch their section. So we just need all of that to be far enough away from it that they don't accidentally click on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Google and Apple crack down on Apple. Time stamps guy, by the way, no key. Anything else. Do not prank me in this. Here we go. Here we go. By the way, a lot of people don't realize that we pay timestamp guy.

Like I see, I've seen a bunch of comments lately that we're like cheap fucking or whatever because we don't pay for timestamps? You guys know we've paid timestamp guy for like years, right? Like he's not a random. Like do people not Like man, it is amazing the kind of stuff people assume about us. Anyway, carry on.

So I was just reminded because I needed to talk to, I needed to talk to timestamp guy. I have a story just for you. Lead, float goat. There's pixel users will be able to flip their nav options soon. Maybe. Yes! Maybe. Maybe.

Let's go! Maybe. Android 16 QPR 2, 2, beta, 2. What a, what a name. What a name. Release revealed a new page coming to your navigation settings to adjust your button order. According to Android Authority, it will be accessible through a settings cog icon next to the three button navigation option in your settings, I'm assuming. It's exactly what you'd expect.

It allows you to swap the back and the recent buttons in the UI. there's no further customization beyond that. That's okay, that's all I wanted. That's probably all that was needed. It's exactly what has already existed in skins from the likes of Samsung, Xiaomi, One Plus, I think Vivo has it. What are some of the other Chinese brands? I can't remember.

The point is, this is like totally been a thing for like 10 years ever since we moved off of physical buttons into on-screen buttons. And I love it because, yes, I understand that you like gestures better. I don't. I often find that when I'm swiping through a carousel, for instance, or if I am poking at something on like a desktop web page or whatever, that you can accidentally trigger the back gesture from either the left or the right on Android, I don't prefer it.

I like having the back button right here. I like being able to double tap the task view button to, switch to my last app rather than drag up, wait, move over and touch, or drag up, wait, and touch. I am so excited! Because, not that I want to run a pixel, I want to go Experia. And Sony has publicly stated that they stick pretty close to stock Android, whatever the fuck that means these days, and have no plans to implement.

it as part of their skin. But this might mean that they might get it. I'm going to have a headphone jack. I'm going to have like a cool, sexy Sony phone. Yeah, they still have phones with headphone jacks and nice amps in them. Dude, I don't even have to care that AirPods Pro 3s suck anymore. This is so cool.

I'm so excited right now. They're really nice. They're really nice. Even he's intrigued now. He might buy something. You can have my old one. Well, next gen. Hand me down for Luke.

I mean, I'm pretty down with that. Next gen is probably when I would be upgrading. So like around this time next year. Now, to be clear, this setting is not even live yet. This isn't a guarantee. Android Authority had to tinker to enable it and believes the feature will only appear in December's public release if it's also available in the next beta release.

But like, seriously, this is an obstacle for me. And what's really frustrating is you used to be able to just do this with third-party launchers, even on phones that didn't have built-in support for it. But Google locked that down during like launcher lockdown gate a thousand years ago when they had far less control over customizing the navigation of the system. So it's just been this, there's just been this desert of, wow, what a stupid problem for us to even have. Can we just fix it? Because literally your largest headset OEM puts the back button on the right.

literally anybody coming from a Samsung is going, if they didn't change the setting, is going to be used to that. So just make it an option. Like for years, many of the phones that I would switch to and that I would review would even have it as part of the setup wizard. When you set up your phone, they would prompt you, hey, where do you want these?

So just do it. How many lines of code is this? For real, though. Just move this button there and move this one there. interchange them like honestly they if corsair and elgato can have configurable buttons on a stream deck you do not have an excuse i want to see something a little bit whack i'd love to i tried to look up expiria phones Wikipedia is the first well yeah they're not in this market market they never have yeah that's still like and i whether dan was referring to their market share or

their marketing he's right uh yeah correct So can you even buy them here? I don't know, but I'll find one. I'll find a way. I'll get one somehow. I import them. The newer models have a U.S. variant, but the rest of them are like, I buy the China ones because they have, like, the Hong Kong variant has unlocked bootloaders.

You can literally, like, put whatever you want on it. That makes sense. Dual SIM, SD card, physical SIM, headphone jack. Mine's got like Zeiss lenses, physical zoom. The camera bumps not that bad. They have cool features. that go along with their cameras, too. Like, you can use them as viewfinders and stuff, some of them.

Like, HDR, if you have a PlayStation, you can use it as a wireless screen that attaches to the top of your controller. It's, like, kind of bonkers. This model that I have here has the highest PPI of any phone at 600 and-30. What? Okay, that's just dumb. I actually do not support these ridiculous displays. They downgraded the display in the later model.

They should have. But I'm upset because this one's 21 by 9, and the new ones are. a slightly different aspect ratio. It has no notch and no hole punch. Yep. Which is another reason why I like them. I'm so excited. I'm just going to,

I'm going to immediately go Sony as soon as I can get a skin that has the button on the right. And it's not even because I couldn't just use gestures on the Sony, but I said, and I am a man of my word, I said that I want them to fix it, and I will use an Experia phone when they fix it. So in much the same way that I told,

hey fix your fix your shit and then we will be able to work together and as you know and promote your stuff again um and we won't do it until they do same thing yeah customizable is good i support you it's surprising how hard it is to even find any information on these phones oh yeah yeah they don't bother um they've often before just been like hey we're going to release a new phone in like eight months and then no one cares or is samsung like new phone coming next week Hi, Train. Sony's just like, we're going to release next phone. It looks exactly like the old phone, but it's...

It has an indecipherable name. It is slightly better. Like every other phone, we don't care. We will sell 20, and they will be the best phone. I don't... Whatever. That's so weird. It's waterproof, and it has dual-sim SD card.

It has toolless sim removal. They were the first to do waterproof, weren't they? I had no idea. I believe so. Was it the Experia one? I remember that being a thing. If they weren't the first, they were close. Yeah, they were, they were very early on the whole waterproof phone thing.

Not actually proof, obviously. The Experia Z? Yeah, because I think I did a video. I don't know how credible tNT magazine.com is. I mean, this isn't even grammatically correct, but. Sony announced, dude. I seem to recall that there was a, there was a display that they had at CES, where they had the phone submerged in water and the screen was on or something like,

Yeah, this. This, this thing. I saw this. Yeah. Remember this? Did you see this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was like...

That was nuts back then, dude. That was crazy. Yeah, this blew people's minds back then. And the fact that they made it so that you hold the button to do it was like such a... What a flex. Good sci-op. What a flex. All right, Dan.

What are we supposed to be doing? We could do a couple of merch messages and the CW. Which one goes first? Don't tell me more than one thing. Just tell me one thing. because otherwise I don't even know any of the things you said. CW announcements. Yes, sir.

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Yeah. I don't think that's what they meant for the pants. Probably not. No, I'm thinking probably not. Anyway, the point is that, oh, here we go, Chase R says great work pants. I'm a controls engineer. These pants are great for the job site. Yeah, great pants.

So get yourself some cargo pants for $9999 on both the U.S. and global site. But that's not all. If you buy a precision screwdriver and bitcase bundle, we'll throw in an end cap set for free. So that's the alternate ends for the top of the precision screwdriver that are either diveted. So if you prefer to put your thumb on the top when you're using it, or rounded at the top, if you're more of like a cupper. And then we have a different color, a black one of the flat one. All you have to do is add both a precision screwdriver and a bitcase bundle to your cart

and also the NCAB set, I think. And the discount will automatically apply on checkout. LMG.g.g.g slash precision bundle. Precision screwdriver and big case. So you add that there and then we have the information on the bundle there. So that'll be a great way for you guys to send a merch message to the show. If you are new to the show, merch messages are the way that we do interaction.

If you're going to have to throw your money at the screen to interact with a live stream, you know, like people do, then you might as well do it in a way that gets you high-quality merchandise in the mail in a little while rather than just throwing it out there and hoping for the best. At least that's the way we see it. So all you've got to do to send a merch message

is add one of those terrific items to your cart and you will see this interface, merch messages. You can show your first name and last name. You can make it anonymous. Either way is good. You can pick a color. Look at that color changing thing. Wow.

That incredible. Great job coming. You can type a message and then it will go to producer Dan who will, I don't know, he'll do something. He'll reply to it or he'll forward it or he'll curate it and curate it and curated ones go a little something like this. Dan, hit me with a merch message.

Absolutely, we've got a few in already. I bet we do with those deals. Hey, DL, quarter whale VIP here. I guess that's one of four whale VIPs here. That makes a lot more sense than a quarter of one of them. Oh, no. They could have gone in, bulk deal. You can have more...

I wouldn't really more like they could be in four pieces, but they probably wouldn't be typing anything at that point. I mean, hand is one of the four. Yeah, but that wouldn't be a quarter. order of them by mass. Truth. Truth. All legs.

But Linus, did you enjoy the Whale Land? Also, the whales pulled off a complete win. Rematch. Oh, we got obliterated. What happened? There was a Wales versus LNG staff game. Well, I lost because it didn't happen until pretty late on the second day. And no offense to my teammates, but I wasn't able to put together quite as stacked a team

as I would have liked to. Also, I probably have, not including whale land, three or four hours in FPS games over the last year. What game is it? Hasn't been what I've been playing. And they went and practiced throughout the land playing UT 2004 and challenged us to that. That's a game where practice is going to make a difference. Yeah, a little bit. So we went on to unfamiliar PCs with in some cases unfamiliar peripherals.

Nothing against Kyle, Tynan, and Chase. Chase in particular is a very good gamer. But if I could have chosen, I probably would have taken, like, Natalie. I probably still would have taken Chase. No offense to Kyle and Tynan. They carried. They did way better than me. I want to make this abundantly clear.

But if I'm trying to put together a team of ringers, like I probably would have, I probably would have taken Nat. I would have taken Chase. and then I'd have to figure out the last one Who else is pretty good? I know David's really good I don't know if he plays as much anymore though What was the game? U.T. 2004 IT Thomas

Was he there? Oh, he was. I didn't know that Thomas was like He's a gamer. Elite gamer. Yep. Okay, I'll have to keep that in mind. I don't think he was there anymore by that point. But anyway, yeah, okay, I might be down for a rematch

but you got to understand. I'm going to stack the deck a little bit in my favor because if you guys are going to go and pick a game, that, like, they wouldn't play me in Left for Dead, which is also an FPS game, but one where I would absolutely tone them, no matter how much they train. So, yeah, maybe.

Yes, I did enjoy Welland. Not in the ways that I was expecting to enjoy it. I actually had very little time to game. I played, like, three rounds of Halo C.E. I played one round of Left for Dead. I played a few games of Tapes Tape, and then I played the game against the whales, and that was it over the span of two days.

but what I definitely enjoyed was seeing it all come together I mean the project's been like years in the making the last time we did a land was LTX 23 A public one yeah Yeah or was it 22 oh god when was the last LTX 23 23 yeah there you go So it's so it's been over two years

And the space there were some Power issues We didn't let IT know that there was going to be The the giant display that we bought on Craigslist Or the computers on the stage until I think... Or the tape-to-ta-tape area. Day of...

Or I think the VR area or the insanely power-hungry vending machines. So I can explain what... Okay, so hold on. Give me a sec. Okay, so first of all, the original plan was to line both sides with power. But then they came and told us,

hey, that exceeds the power budget for this transformer. You can't do that. And we kind of went, okay, fine. So we'll do all down this one side. We'll do the tables with the spider things, the power boxes, spider boxes coming out that side. And then, we probably just need a couple on this side well okay bad news um we ended up having to move things

around because some staff who didn't even bother to show up for the fucking land complained about not being able to get a spot so we created a staff area on that side um that was a bunch of power that used up a bunch of i think i like populated it anyways yeah anyway the point is and i wanted to it was i had i was gone because of a work thing i wasn't exactly gone because i wanted to be The point is that we wouldn't have had that power budget to deal with if you hadn't demanded that we changed the layout of the thing. I'm happy that we did. We should do it next time, too.

We should. So there was that. And then that used up probably what would have gone to the stage. And then compounding this, this vending machine company, and oh, this is embarrassing. I actually forget what they're called now, which really sucks because they were... Really fancy machines. Super cool about everything. So they do hot food

They do like mixed drinks Not not like alcoholic beverages Oh here we go Here we go I've got it They're called G and a robot So they posted on I guess this is TikTok Yeah they posted on TikTok

Me trying it and chatting with them about it And then they also brought an ice cream machine So oh yeah here's I don't You guys can't release this but whatever There's the three fancy like very like Japanese feeling like high tech sort of Asian feeling like vending machines

and we've been in talks with them about having just not bothering with a concession at smash champs or at least not bothering for now but having some options where we don't have to do the food safe certification we don't have to do the license for it and all of that stuff having some options for people to get like hot food after after they play or have some different options for drinks they do like coffees teas ice coffees um fruit sugar

drinks right did they have a boba thing no not not at this time i don't know if i don't know if that's something i thought i saw some art for it but i wasn't sure and then they had this cool like ice cream machine so like having those for the players would be super cool during tournaments during whale lands or even just day to day and so they like pulled out all the stops to try to get these machines to us in time for whale land when they found out about it So then we had to pull out all the stops, and we didn't find out that Jim, who is the general manager for Smash Champs,

like organized it. We didn't find out until he told us, and we were like, oh, no, where are we going to put these? Oh, my God, they need, like, 30 or 40 amps at 240 volt. How are we going to power these stupid things? Because we never accounted for having heavy power on that side. So, and then, oh, right, there was supposed to be a retro area.

And so Rove Lab sent over a whole bunch, of like couch segments so they're those like modular they ship in a in a like vacuum sealed box thing and they like expand and you can you can put together as many middle pieces you want so you can kind of make furniture in any configuration you want and they sent over a bunch of stuff that was supposed to be for like a retro gaming corner so we had all these retro consoles and I think the plan was to have some displays I don't know I never saw any because I saw all the couches and I went what about 5V5 tape to tape so then I went and I found like a projector and I went and got a computer from home like my old media center PC I just brought it to the land we didn't have

controllers so I just brought controllers from home to the land and then I spent a bunch of my time where I was supposed to be gaming just ripping out all the stuff for the ripping out all the stuff for the retro corner and creating a 5v 5 like a 10 player uh rogue light hockey game thing with like a 120 inch projector screen and I actually for sound um we had something on a projector at the test land or like we wanted to do something on a project. Right. We wanted to play tape to tape at the test land, the internal one, remember?

Yes. And we ended up having to go upstairs to the player lounge. Yeah. I don't even remember why. Because we didn't have sound. Ah. So, right, Luke actually helps me load the speakers.

So for sound, for the, for the little, like, hockey game lounge, I actually used the audio solution from Scrappyard Wars. Because, I don't know, we're obviously not doing anything with it. It was just for Scrapyard Wars. So I grabbed the receiver, grabbed the speakers, set it all up.

It was sick. Yeah. It was freaking awesome. Yeah, yeah. And I forgot how damn good that Epson LS 12,000 projector is, man, what the only reason I'm not using it today is that the TCL X11 or whatever it's called, the 115-inch TV is, it's better. But that Epson projector, man, what a, what a great projector. Yeah, I think, I mean, I think some of the problem, there was also, I think it was like

three notable internet outages. Talis went down for a period of time, which is like, very rare. Our switch. And then the switch went down. Our core switch went down, which to me is a little confusing, given that it's like 100 gigabit, like supposedly core switch or like whatever. I hope we're running like beta firmware on it.

And I hope that we can, what the heck is that? Shut up, TikTok. Why would you play automatically? No, I know why you would do that, but also just fuck you for doing that. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, so we're looking into those things. You know, we did a test run, but there's a big difference between a test run and now we have a stage and all these other things and 250 people and everyone's hitting it differently

and yada yada yada. Have you seen the, oh, I'm going to say this and then I'm not going to have the numbers immediately available. Have you seen the data that went through the switches? No. You seen it? Yeah, you posted in our group chat. Did you see the power monitoring that AJ set up? Yeah. Also, he's down. He posted a video idea thing for it. Oh, super cool. Okay, we'll chat about that in that meeting. But while he's looking that up, AJ, who's like an IT infrastructure guy slash floatplane slash, I mean, what does he not do at this point? Anyway. Been here forever. Once you're here forever, you wear a lot of hats. Yeah.

So he set up power monitoring for the building and I was going to come to sort of the power situation. So what we found is that even though our outlets are at capacity, we were actually nowhere near the capacity of our Transformers. So between the two of them, I think one is rated for 400,000 watts, and the other one is rated for 150,000 watts, and then I want to say, or 250, or something, and both of them were at, like, under half capacity. So knowing that nothing we're going to connect to those California standard power outlets is actually going to draw the full amount, I'm going to see if we can get an engineer to sign off on us putting some more drops in so that we'll just have better flexibility in terms of our layout with the understanding

that we just don't use it all and we use our power monitoring okay what am i looking at hope port 24 hour usage wow trying to figure out what happened there exactly well uh oh okay uh anywhere between the lowest one i see is 1.39 terabytes and the highest one i see is 5.4 terabytes Were people torrenting at the land? I'm trying to figure what's going on. AJ's here, so he might be able to answer. But my guess was that there was weird stuff going on with steam and like local sharing and stuff.

Oh, that makes sense. We did tell people to turn off local transfers. But, well, we didn't tell them to turn it off. What we said is that they won't get the benefit of our land cash if they don't turn off local transfers. But local transfers is a default setting now. So probably most people will. without even realizing it,

we're transferring game data off of each other on the network. Yeah. Without realizing. I suspect that was happening. Got it. I don't know, though. That was my just like knee jerk,

like, okay, what was that? No, that makes sense to me. Something happened. Bourdaga in floatplain chat says, Linus, why are you acting like it's crazy? You brought your rig to a land. Isn't that the point? Hashtag you've changed.

Slash-S. so the reason that I was notable that I brought my old media center PC to the land was I also brought my machine it was amazing how many people saw my rig and were just like you brought your whole rack mount computer to a land and I was like this is my computer yeah what you want me to do I just turned it on its side oh dude the setup was so jank because um that's land I only have two mobile PCs right now so I brought my ally with the XG one XG mobile for one of my daughters and then I brought my remaining working Flow X13 laptop with my other XG mobile for my other daughter set them up for the ally I just used like an external monitor I pulled one of the ones that used to be in the gaming van

we've consolidated down to just the one that flips up from the from the roof so they were taken care of but then I didn't have a machine for my son so I was like I guess I could just I could just drag is a rack mount because i have an external water cooling box that has the same quick connect fittings that i use for whenever i'm working on those machines on the bench if i if i need to have them out of the rack for an extended period i just have like a like a three by three 120 mil fan external rad box uh to run them but what i haven't gotten around to is replacing the asinine stock power connector for it that is a four pin molex why would why would i want that i mean Okay, I can think of why I'd want that.

I would run it through a PCI slot and just have one of those pass-throughs, and then I would, like, connect it to my power supply or something, and then I'd put the rad box next to my computer, but, like, don't you think it's more likely that I would just plug it in to an external power source? Yeah, I hate that so much. I can see the valid arguments for both ways. The point is, I want it to use an external power source, but I haven't gotten around to changing it yet,

and I forgot to grab one of those little power... Which I will say... Sorry. One of those little power brick to Molex things that we have kicking around. here. Yeah. So my solution was to rip my

side panel open and power his rad box off of my power supply which was only a problem when I accidentally didn't have

my computer on for a while because I forgot I did that and his CPU overheated I had to do a USB BIOS flashback fortunately the loop didn't blow up

anyway. Sorry, what were you going to say? I was going to say if anything having it be four pin molex makes the conversions kind of

nice and easy. Yeah, I guess. Also, Corey is the name in full plane chat. This is a bit of a throwback, but said, my data consumption for Microsoft FlightSim 2024 is currently over two terabytes. Streaming the world is data intensive.

Yeah. Fun fact, my brother, his wife, and I went in on a combo present and got my dad flight sim and some controllers. Oh, that's cool. So a HOTAS set up for Christmas. You got your dad a hot ass for Christmas?

And your mom was in on it? Sometimes you got to do unconventional things. Weird family, dude, but carry on. I mean, look, I'm not judging. Whatever happens between consenting adults. Hands on throttle and stick for people that don't understand what's happening. Ho-Tas. Hothass. Hands on throttle on the stick.

You can't spell HOTS without hoe and ass. Anyways, they had to upgrade their internet connection. Oh, yeah. Not even kidding. It would like bring the network down. Yeah, that makes sense. Crazy. Like, what the heck?

Yeah, no, that, that actually does make sense. I don't like that. They were talking to me about it and he was talking about how like they called their ISP. I'm pretty sure it was TELUS. And the person on the other end was like, okay, what are you doing when this happens or whatever and my dad told me he's playing the game and the guy on the other end was like

oh yeah it's the game but didn't like really explain it too much maybe he did I wasn't on the call and then my dad tells me like oh it's it's the game that I'm playing my brain's just like come on man no yeah like you can play games on like hotspots like you can mobile hotspot your phone

and like won't even touch your data like this doesn't matter like you can play multi you can play counter strike mobile hotspon and you won't even notice yeah I wouldn't because, I mean, Counterstrike is just walked down a hallway and then die simulator for me. Yeah, it's going to suck. But you could.

Yeah. And then, so I'm just assuming this, like, Teliskeye is nuts. And then I start looking things up and I'm like, whoa, whoa. Not only does it use a lot of data, it uses a lot of data at a time. Like, the throughput is crazy. So, yeah, they had to, they had to, it's such like an annoying gift. Here's the game and, like, an awesome set of peripherals. to play it with by the way you have to upgrade your subscription service yeah now every month

you're going to be paying more for this yeah oh here's a puppy says busting yeah exactly yeah it felt like one of those also by the way inconvenient i got you inconvenience well not only that but i just and a financial burden i made a bad assumption as well when when working on this idea um because the racing sim world like the racing sim upstairs yeah You just, okay, go in, I have this controller. It'll set up a profile for you by default. Oh, flight? Yeah, come on.

There's nothing. No. Why? Because you have to be an enthusiast to play this game, basically. My thing is, okay, don't have any default profiles, that's fine. Let me load them. Let the community offer them up and let me load them. Because now there's these, like, way intensely detailed guides on how to set it up.

but there's so much to do that it like is so, it would genuinely be easier for people to just export their settings and let you import them than writing all these crazy guides on how to do it. Like, come on. No key in chat says, wait, I blanked out for the last 18 minutes. They're still in the first merch message. Is this even a merch message? They're only getting one.

Hit us with an, oh, is that okay, is that it? I didn't even know this was a merge message. We were like three behind. Maybe we should do a sponsor. uh oh yeah we can do that remember when you thought the show wasn't going to have enough yeah you say that every single week yeah the show is brought to by ms i does it feel like your pc is performing like this one looks ms i's new codex r2 pre-built PCs can save you the hassle of fixing things or buying and installing replacement components with configurations that include up to an intel core seven ultra cpues i think we mean core ultra seven

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you're in charge p charge let's do another topic I need to complain about more things on White Show you do you do yep is that possible yeah i don't know are you talking about something specific hobs like uh potentially immediately solved my problem there's like something you can just buy and it can import profiles for you oh it's stupid that it's not built into the game this should really be built into the game Microsoft figure

yourself out but also like that's a tall order these days yeah it really is with what developers will they be doing that with what studios they haven't closed will they be doing that vibe code me a profile importer oh my god it'll get like 25% of it correct any who you want to pick one oh why don't we do xbore be able to update it speaking of developers let's do xbox may be dying and it's doing it to itself yeah good timing microsoft announced this week they are raising the price of game pass ultimate by 50% in the u.s and some other markets causing a rush of angry cancellations so large that the Xbox website apparently crashed multiple times.

This $10 price increase comes two days after Xbox President Sarah Bond said that GamePass was already profitable. Microsoft tried to soften the sticker shock by presenting this change as an upgrade that adds Ubisoft classics, Fortnite crew, as well as a promise, to have 75-plus day-one games per year. This comes the same week that Xbox's hardware's second, oh, as Xbox hardware's second price hike in less than a year, a month after Costco removed all Xbox items from their stores,

and a few months after another round of closures and mass layoffs across Xbox Studios. Combined with the recent release of some iconic Xbox exclusives on PlayStation, Xbox devotees are beginning to feel as though Microsoft's Xbox hardware division may be in a bit of a death spiral. But not all his lost ex-brose. Although revenue from hardware sales was down 22% year-over-year in the quarter-ending June 30th, 2025, Microsoft's chairman and CEO, Satchinadella, said,

GamePass annual revenue was nearly $5 billion for the first time. With 37 million active subscribers, as of July 2025, Microsoft may be relying more and more on that service to drag the entire Xbox division into the green. which is the gaming landscape to which pre-orders of the new rog xbox ally and ally x opened at a price of 600 us dollars for the one that has a CPU that's like five years old at this point okay i don't think it's actually quite five years old okay how old is the the how old is zen two Zen 2 release year Oh

Okay Cool Zen 2 launched in 2019 If anything I was I was being charitable Cool So And a thousand

US dollars For the one that actually has Like a modern new CPU in it I was talking to David about this Who is actually the one who prepped this topic And, or was I talking a ploof about it? I don't know. I was talking to one of them.

They look so similar. I was talking to someone from the writing department about this. And they were basically making the argument that the RGXbox ally and RGXbox Ally X are going to be successful products. But the price is going to be a significant impediment. And I don't know, man. I got to say, I think I haven't played on it yet. As you guys may or may not have noticed. there's one sitting here um that arrived minutes before the show so i haven't even even

touched it again well no since the event it was here for like an hour and a half okay well i wasn't yeah the point is that i'm saying all of this before i've actually like given it a fair shot yet but what's happening here is sort of regardless of of the price of the of the various allies and their Xbox's related sort of collab products it's a huge it's a fundamental shift in the hardware model of Xbox right instead of first party hardware that is subsidized by a built-in game store collecting 30% from every developer who sells a game through it which is what this is up against in the form of the steam deck which by the way is on like mega sale right now and is an in sane value. It really is. This is relying on third-party partners who have to make their margin

on the product, and as far as I am aware, although this may not be the case, as far as I'm aware, Microsoft has not engaged in the same kind of profit sharing that has driven, like, the mobile industry, for instance, to sell, so like

mobile kiosks and mobile stores, selling plans and selling hardware and then getting a long-term kickback so there doesn't appear to be a similar system in place to help subsidize this hardware for Microsoft's partners so I just don't really I don't really see how this can compete with a PlayStation 5 and a portal which is going to cost you could get a PlayStation 5 pro and a portal for the cost of an ROG Xbox LAX this is a steam deck right now yeah that's crazy yeah

Oh my goodness. A steam deck. That's actually nuts. Costs literally like 27% as much as this. It costs literally. That is the lowest end model and that is the LCD model. Less than half of the ally, the non-X. Less than half.

That's what you're up against. You're up against Valve taking their 30% and using it to subsidize their hardware. You're up against Sony being able to price a place. PlayStation 5 Pro plus a portal at less than your LAX that's a tough position to be in

I'm gonna make sure I'm right about that PS5 Pro MSRP what is it right now I think it's yeah 750 US dollars and that's the pro the one that most people agree like don't really need

and then the portal is I think it's 250 right hold on I might be wrong about this. I'm going to make sure I'm right about this. $199. Oh, but it has since... Yeah, around $200.

Yeah, here you go. So... Good luck, everyone. Well, we have a bunch of discussion questions. Ooh, this is a spicy one. Is GamePass still the best value in gaming at now $30 a month? It's... It's...

Oh, man. See, but... I have probably just an annoying take on this. I don't know if... No, and it wasn't, because you don't own your games. I don't think it was a good value. I don't think it is a good value. I don't think it was a good value.

Okay, tell me this. But I value owning my games. Sure, but retrospectively, right, just devil's advocate take. I've actually never subscribed to GamePass. I also just pay for games. And a big part of that for me is that I can super duper afford to buy games. I can afford to, which is a privilege. And I think it's pretty cool that if I really like a game,

the developer gets all a bunch of that money. So that's not because I think game pass is a bad deal. I've made arguments on camera and I meant what I said that game pass has been at times an outstanding value for what it is. But so let me make that argument then. What if over the last couple of years that you'd been paying 20 bucks a month for Game Pass, you played through. So that would be, I think it's, uh, it's discounted if you buy it on a yearly basis.

But let's let's say, let's assume you paid monthly. So you've paid $500 in Game Pass over a couple of years. Let's say that you played through like 20 single player experiences you don't plan to play again. Did you get a great value? What if DLCs come out for them? I mean, what if I do want to touch that game again for some reason? And then I cancel my subscription and I can't get my save back because it's tied to that version.

Yeah. And that's fair. But what if also? What if I do want to play? one of those games again. Like, it's a very specific what if to say that you played a very, very large amount of games and never want to play any of them again. That's fair.

That might be an archetype of gamer, for sure. I'm certain someone watching this perfectly fits in that category. Or what if you're someone who in the past wasted a lot of money buying games, playing them for three to five hours and then realizing they don't actually care about them that much? And it allowed you to be a, you know, just to drift around from game to game and not worry about the extra financial burden of that. I have literally ran into a scenario where there was an update to a game that seemed interesting. Yeah.

And someone that I played it with when it first launched, I reached out to and was like, hey, this looks pretty cool. Do you want to try it out? And they were like, ah, I don't know if it's worth like reactivating my subscription. And it's like, all right, dude. That's fair. Cool. But like, I just own it. So I guess I'll go check it out myself.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of discussion on this in the float playing chat. Like some people are saying like, dude, game ownership is so overrated. As a gamer of 44 years, I have over 800 games and I practically never go back to play one. Meanwhile, you've got, you've got other people that are, oh, this is an argument we didn't even talk about. Fantastic in float plane chat says, I've got something like 2,500 games in my Steam library, most of which I haven't gotten around to playing. so for me, I can't justify game-plast subscription just because I have so much other stuff to play that there's be no reason for me to spend more money

on games at all right now. There was a Steam Autumn sale? Walker makes a really important point that we're talking GamePass Ultimate, which not only includes the games, but for certain games it also gives access to a cloud streaming platform, which might be good for people on older PCs

or who are often on the go. That's fair. I didn't actually know that. because I don't care, but... There are solid arguments, I think, both ways. I can understand there being scenarios where, for me, it makes no sense. I don't want it. I like the idea that I'm more directly supporting developers when I buy the full fat game.

I have a huge backlog of games that I want to play. I see no desire to be hungrily biting at the bit of new GamePass releases. A Game Pass does not mean that you get every game. It means you get every game that's on Game Pass. Yep. And they could remove... the game that you're playing whenever they feel like it. I don't like any of that.

I also like, I'm looking at the Steam Autumn sale, which is running right now. Hobbs points out that in some cases, save transfers are not possible between Windows store and Steam versions of games. This is what I was saying earlier. Yep. I think that's actually, like, really important,

um, personally. You know, I used to back up my save data. Like, I still have my Dragon Age origins, like, save file. I don't, think I've ever actually been tempted to fire it up and even if I did the game has probably

been updated so many times that it wouldn't even necessarily work I run into that a lot of times so I don't know but then the flip side of that is when I went to start tears of the kingdom I like super cared that I still had my breath of the wild save I don't know I I there are games I care about it a lot there are also games where I go back and I'm like this save is unplayable because like I don't remember anything of what's going on or I did everything really Wrong. But then the Steam Notes feature is fantastic for that and is becoming less of a problem. What is the net?

Control is the name of that game. Yeah, dude, what the heck? These type of sales happen. So if you can just be a little bit patient. Oh, yeah, right? You can get Control Ultimate Edition for five Canadian dollars. Yeah, it's like 350. Like, when you could get 10 games of this caliber a month, once you convert that

to USB? I think it's probably around there. Not quite, but close, close. Eight, let's say eight. Eight. Eight games of this caliber a month or game pass ultimate. I'm getting these, dude. Yeah, that's fair. Every time. That's valid. Apparently it's free on Epic. Or no, maybe not right now. Oh, yeah,

a bunch of people are saying free on GOG, free on Epic. That's wild. Control is? Apparently, I don't know. It's free on GOG? That's pretty cool. You should definitely get it from GOG if you can. Yeah. GO.G is pretty based. very um yeah i didn't even consider that argument like the the the drm free nature of geog is like the complete opposite of we will take it from you whenever we want and you will pass the subscription forever and your save won't transfer and screw you yeah like i would way rather support

gog than get a freaking game pass like i i i no all right not personally I'm not going to judge someone else for getting it. Do your thing. That's a fair take. But it's not for me. I think that's a fair take. Our other discussion question here is, do you think Microsoft might be trying to push people?

Hold on. Support the devs, but also don't buy it until it's 90% off, WTF. I don't tend to do that too often. I was saying that's a strat that is really good if you're looking at min-maxing your dollar value. It's also not Luke's fault that the devs priced it at that amount. like you're you're still

definitely supporting them it's more of like spur change kind of support but that game's also been out for like eight years or something like that when did control come out six years ago September 10 2020 all right

okay our next discussion is do you think Microsoft might be trying to push people into the lower game pass tiers with no day one releases rather than just backing out of their day one game pass release promise like is this sort of a a tactical price increase of ultimate.

Which I've heard is a decent strat, actually. Because if you really care about a game and you want it day one, you could just buy it. And for everything else, you have your game pass. I've heard that's a thing that, like, quite a few people do. So, I don't know. Um, there's a bunch more discussion questions here, David. These are all really interesting. I almost wonder if this should just be like its own, its own video.

I'm going to, I'll mark that. Uh, because I, yeah, I don't think we can talk about this forever. on uh maybe this is just a video in a bit okay one thing that will inevitably be on game past because forza is a microsoft studio thing but i'm excited about anyways is they are finally going to japan forzer highs and six is going to be in japan and that's actually pretty sick i'm excited about that all right let's move on shall we float plane announcement is that what we're supposed to do down where where is it Sarah Week is upon us

Here it is Am I supposed to watch the announcement? I don't know I feel like probably Do we have audio? Dan, does my audio work? What are the odds? Give her a play and let's see

Ah, but do I have The stream going? Nope Okay, nice I hope it's muted No, no, it's muted Oh man, so is this And also someone

someone on the account watched it So usually for float plane themed weeks, we spend time and money creating some elaborate teaser trailer, but I spent all that money on a trip to drum heller. So now Sammy's on the phone with accounting.

Uh, trying to get some more money for us. But dinosaurs! So, accounting says buy the merch. By the merch. Please buy the merch. Please buy the merch. Can you

to live here. Are you often the butt of the joke? Am I? This is mood. How many shirts do you think I've designed over the five years? We've got 26 here. What? You know what cat will like, what's like butt scratches? That's that. What are your top three dinosaurs? Dolophosaurus. My dog reminds me of a velociraptor, so my dog is my third favorite. Copt-out. Oh, there's your trim. Bone Appetit. You can get some clams and muscles too? Bone apple tea. Bone apple tea.

There was a point where I was quality checking. Every single hollow foil shirt that went out so if you own a hollow foil shirt I probably touched it at some point I didn't know that that's crazy fantastic editing good job Sammy yeah yeah I remember that there was there was issues with the ink

and it was bad and we were still new at all of this and there was nobody else to do it so anyway Sarah Week is upon us. Our content highlights will include a Sarah Q&A, a t-shirt design ranking,

and a very expensive travel vlog to Drumheller Alberta, aka the dinosaur capital of the world, according to Alberta. Also, we will have a limited run floatplane exclusive shirt to coincide with Sarah Week. It looks a little something like that. It's a dinosaur.

And also there's a floatplane on the back. Heck yeah. Heck yeah This and so much more All on floatplane next week LMG.g.g slash floatplane All right, Dan I think we should do at least one more topic

All right, what do you want to talk about, Lou? What do you want to talk about? So we did Xbox. We did... We have done an extremely poor job of getting through all the topics that we were supposed to talk about today. We have.

I blame Luke. I want to do another ad hoc linus topic though. Oh my God, no. But we have to do this one. But we have to get through some of the topics we have to prepare. Then we do it after dark. We have to do it after dark. We have to get through.

People put real actual human work into preparing these topics for us. Windows 10 is end of life. October 14th is when Windows 10 support ends. And boy, are things ever happening. Businesses are dumping their Windows 10 machines. And a substantial reason is due to the lack of Windows 11 compatibility due to the lack of TPM2 and or other critical hardware. And I guess they don't want to.

get modules and have people plug them in. They could use the extended security updates. Yeah, that's true. Like you're not doing that on your laptop. Yep. And, well, yeah. I mean, that's fair. Most of the pictures I've seen are old desktops,

but they might just be, might be kind of time anyways. But that's a paid program, the extended security updates thing. So many folks are weighing the costs and benefits because it's priced at $30 per license per year. Would you pay, oh, wow, that is an interesting question.

would you pay $30 a year to run any version of Windows you wanted like your ideal and it was secure and it and it had if if Microsoft had a program where you were still allowed to run Windows 7 or XP but it but but with modern support modern support I mean I have to assume that they could afford to do it I mean how many how many millions of people are still running Windows XP today Windows XP market share I'm willing to bet it's not zero It's quite a lot actually It's uh it's apparently

It's apparently still Somewhere between point three and point five four percent Which if you think about how many hundreds of millions of PCs there are in a year There are in the world Do you think we could say with reasonable certainty that there's a billion PCs in the world? Probably one in one for every eight people I'd say that's probably on the low side That's decently reasonable. So let's just let's make some

some, let's make some dumb napkin math assumptions. Let's say one billion PCs, okay, times point, let's use the lower end of that number, what I say, 0.03, okay, so 0.03% equals 30 million PCs. Times $30 a year would give Microsoft a $900 million a year budget to mainly. maintain modern support for Windows XP. And that's like, I don't even think, and to be clear, I don't think that would be necessarily reasonable. I don't think that this is necessarily a reasonable thing to expect anybody to actually

do. I don't think all of those customers would pay. I don't think Microsoft's partners would love to support Upteen billion versions of Windows forever on all of their software. I just mean, if you could, if you could pay $30 a year to run. your ideal version of Windows, would you pay for Windows? And does this mean... I already pay for Windows.

But would you subscribe to Windows? But, okay. Does this mean game support? Yeah. Does this... So there's all compatibility... It means it works like you'd expect it to work. It doesn't get new features.

But... But it works the way that you would expect it to work. But what do you count for new features? Because a lot of those are compatibility things. I would say that... I would say that co-pilot is a new feature. Okay. Could I do the WAN show on Windows XP?

Is this kind of what you're saying? Yeah. Could this computer run Windows XP? Yeah. I can play modern games and connect to Wi-Fi and do things like that on Windows X-P. Okay, so it's getting features. $30. But it's not getting...

New features. Too cheap. I would pay more. You'd pay more than $30 a year. No, who are we kidding? I wouldn't pay anything. But some of those things are new features. Which ones?

What if it's like DX-12? But it's Windows XP. Like, there's new features involved. What if I wanted to run Windows XP software? They would just kind of like have unlimited support for every program written back to DOS. Kind of like, where are the bounds of this hypothetical? I don't know. I guys.

I think you might be overthinking a little bit. Let's say that everything works. And we just have a nebulous definition of what a feature is. Would you pay $30 a year to run? What would be, which is your favorite Windows? Seven? probably seven but i did used to run i did used to run vista was hotter i did used to run nice vista black edition nice this was once you go vista black you never go back this was

windows xp black sick back in the day so i could see i could see me going for heavily modded versions by my like i would so what i would do back in the day was i would get black edition and then I would mod it significantly further beyond there. Heavily modded version of Vista, or if I have to stick to like a more stock experience, I would go, yeah, seven for sure. I'm doing heavily modded seven. But I do not under any circumstance go beyond seven. And the main reason for that is telemetry and ads.

Yep. And Windows 8 just sucked. 8.1 was like a lot better, but 8 was brutal. And I hate the blocky design. So just I'm just staying away. that's fair from 8 and 8.1 anyway the point is keep an eye out for some used hardware if you're looking to build like a home theater PC or a NAS or something like that there are to my knowledge still workarounds to get around the TPM stuff for home use um stats counter noted that

Windows 7 has apparently had a massive increase in market share so that's pretty interesting what has Windows 7 really yeah I guess if people are like I'm not going to have security anyways they just going back to the better one. That's great. That's great. Yeah. I don't quite understand how that works, but, um, you know what? I'm, I'm here for it.

That's a really significant jump. Oh, dude. It's like, like, it was flatlined basically. Yeah. And then it's like, boom. And it very clearly is coming out of Windows 10. Yeah. So I wonder if people are like, hey, if I'm not going to have support anyways, I'll just

go back wild absolutely wild you absolute mad lads all of you okay um o seven was so sick do you want to talk about open a i and sorra too uh sure open a i launches sorra app this one that's the one you're talking about oh it's moving opening i launches story app that's the topic you're talking about yeah okay open i launches soror app parental controls an instant Checkout, which is crazy. OpenAIA has launched SORA 2, their new flagship video model, now featuring audio generation, exclusively available through their new invite-only iOS-exclusive social app, also called SORA. The new model is notably better at simulating physics. Open AI says that in its current state, it will be able to follow instructions that spend

multiple shots and simulate a consistent world state, which I can already tell you it doesn't really do. And we probably shouldn't listen to what they say things do at this point. But anyways, moving forward. The feature that caused the app to go viral this week was cameos. Technically, they only said it can. They didn't say that they enabled that feature. Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair, fair. Or that it will all the time. The feature that made go viral was cameos. Users can train the model to replicate their life. likeness, um, or just pretend there's someone else and train it to, uh, replicate that persons. Uh, and then choose whether to keep that ability to themselves or allow others to

deep fake them as well. This led to social media being overwhelmed by videos of Sam Altman, uh, doing many things, including being dressed up as a kiddie man or stealing GPUs from Target. Are you loading those? Nope. I'm bringing up the creepy one that someone sent me. Okay. here is him dressed as a kitty man mm-hmm okay and here's I gave Sora the oh boy I mean I can pretty easily tell it's not you but LTT logo and a simple prompt

the host of this narrating about Sora what's the audio suspiciously got Linus Sebastian's voice and likeness just with blue eyes here we go ready dan and blowing minds lately but there's a lot more going on under the hood it's not just stitching together frames you probably know sorra as the tech

yeah so it's pretty extensively trained on you yep nice that's cool I'm happy they compensated you for that me too anyways here's Sam Altman stealing GPUs and then getting caught for it no one's not going to lie pretty good yep especially because we've known for a long time that

like security camera footage yeah that's true security camera footage or i mean it's the old like big foot thing right yeah it's always the worst camera at the worst angle and the worst lighting yeah like you you do that and it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't because the fidelity's so load. Anyways, at the moment, SOR2 is limited to iOS, and Open AI said that they want to scale responsibly, giving users tools to control their feed and even default limits on how many generations teens can make. Okay?

Sure. That's the main concern right now. Yeah, that's posturing for sure. Parental controls for SORA will be accessible through the chat GPT app, where general parental controls have been introduced as well. parents just have to link their accounts and will have access to toggle features, set blackout hours, and receive notifications triggered by their teen's behavior. The progression with parental controls is part of an ongoing effort to make chat GPT helpful

for everyone, massive quotes. Eventually, Open AI wants to be able to accurately predict the age of users so they can automatically block graphic content and potentially involve law enforcement. And also serve the meds. And if the... I added that last part myself. And if the kids... Yeah, absolutely. That's the core reason for sure. And if the kids really wanted the bad

things, they would just run it locally. Opening eye elaborated saying that it will only contact law enforcement in rare emergencies when their system detects a teen is in a moment of acute distress and their parent cannot be reached. Oh, okay. Yeah, that, I'm just throwing that out there. That might be too late. Acute distress is... Just a little bit too late. Yeah, not a good time to necessarily do that. a lot a bit too late. Open AI is also automating and open sourcing instant checkouts with ChatGPT,

allowing all U.S. customers to buy single item purchases from U.S. Etsy sellers and with more Shopify-based sellers to come later. Oh, okay, so hold on a second. People could buy an LTT screwdriver on ChatGPT. I don't know if they can yet, and I don't know if this has to be like an opt-in thing. I would opt into that. Why not? I'm not going to lie.

I mean, if people are going to give all of their information to Open AI, and Open AI is going to use it to advertise stuff on Shopify? I wonder if you have to have an affiliate program for them. They probably wouldn't start that way, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got there eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if we got there. Yeah. Or if you had, I mean, Musk already said the quiet part out loud about XAI, where he was just like, yeah, and wouldn't it be great if brands could just pay us to recommend their products? Remember that? Yeah.

So I wouldn't be surprised. if that has been a very active conversation in the AI chat pot community. Apparently you have to allow it from the Shopify side. I mean, we would definitely turn this on. So we should do that. Yeah. Comrades here. Hey,

you can do it now. Instant checkout isn't reaching into your wallet. It's just adding a buy button and embedding the checkout process into your chat, GPG chat for products that support it. Instant checkout uses their agentic commerce protocol or ACP, which was co-developed with Stripe. That makes sense. Every step of the process requires explicit confirmations

and payments are encrypted and only authorized for specific amounts. Okay. I'm waiting for a future where we have a listener bot of sorts in various live chats and then you announce some product on WAN Show and people just type buy and it just does it.

Anyways, moving forward. Actually, I've got a sort of semi, maybe kind of related topic of conversation. So we've talked, I think, a fair bit in the past about buy now, pay later schemas. And this came into my inbox earlier today. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so I sent this to the CW team a few days ago about Shopify and the chat GPT. integrations. And then, um, I got, I got an email from Dave and he goes, uh, hey, so just following up with you. Um, oh, wait. Yes. Uh, okay. Yeah, yeah. It looks like this is public. Sorry, I almost said,

I thought I might say something that's not public. Uh, so Dave sent me this email. He goes, hey, following up, per our Shopify contacts, it sounds like their team is very slowly rolling access out to stores on a limited basis. I, oh, wait, no, this is a different thing. Hold on. Do you want me to take it? Yeah, I can't find the right now. So PayPal is enabling buy now, pay later for like everything.

I don't even think it's opt in or opt out. PayPal is just like allowing this now, which does make sense in regards to how PayPal works. And then Shopify, as far as my understanding goes, is doing an opt-in setup where by now pay later is not enabled by default, but stores. can opt into it. Yeah. If we're being effectively forced into complying with this whole concept from PayPal

anyways, what do you think we should do? I think that was effectively the question. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Here's my email. Why didn't I just read my email? From Dave's email below, related note, both shop and PayPal are pitching payment plan solutions for consumers.

PayPal is rolling regardless of whether we market it. Shop is an opt-in. Do you have any feelings about payment plans for customers? And what I said was Luke and I have been, vocal critics of buy now pay later schemes on wan show it seems like we are being forced to have it at this point regardless should we discuss on when what should be our policy regarding this tech if it's supported through paypal anyway should we provide customer choice on our site for how to engage with this payment method and uh both luke and terran responded so you do

just want to say what you said um yeah effectively i didn't actually read your email yet so oh why do i even send them well because i'm going to read it eventually I was trolling. Yeah, I had a weird, I had a, not weird, I had a surprising encounter. I was, I was trolling about Klarna,

which is one of the more well-known by now, pay-later solutions. You know, buying a banana of Klarna or whatever, yeah, sure. But there's a ton of them. It's not just Klarna, but I was trolling about that in a chat that had a Swedish, a person living in Sweden in it.

Yeah. And that person pointed out like, hey, bro, it's actually like totally, normal and kind of fine here. I was like, what? And they just apparently use it as a credit card replacement. Yeah. And it's very normal.

And a lot of people just have debit cards. And then they use Klarna, which is a Swedish company, by the way. So it started there as a credit card replacement. And delinquencies, delinquencies, and defaults in like Sweden and Norway, where it was originally popularized, is like way lower. than elsewhere. Just like have a different relationship with it. And that maybe kind of just fall back on like,

I don't know. So I think our CEO, Teran Tong had probably the most based take on this. He says, credit cards are also onerous if you miss payments. We accept those. My position is be financially literate. If you're using this to borrow

and don't have the ability to pay it off with in terms, you probably shouldn't be making the purchase. My take on it was Freedom Rains. Let them do it if they want. I don't, I don't. Oh, right. We never actually clarified the part about why we have some discomfort, because the way that the relationship that people have,

some people have, with these by now, pay later schemes, is not a healthy one, and it can seem to encourage unhealthy spending habits. There is literally people, this is more common in the Americas, maybe not so common in Sweden and Norway and the world is not the same and yada, yada, yada. But there are apparently people that max out their credit cards don't have any credit card room left and then go to something like Klarna. And that's crazy.

That's terrifying. Please know. People are saying Klarna will cut you off real quick if you don't pay. I have no idea I don't know I don't like it as someone who had credit cards extremely normalized

which is a North American thing this sounds just like bad extension of credit card yeah it sounds like understand it's different around the world it sounds like why does it bother me because yeah they both are functionally

the same they are both literally buy now pay later so maybe it's because I assume that I am buying something with a credit card so I assume there should be no reason that I need a buy now pay later. Credit card does that make sense? Because it's like one month.

Klarna is many month. But see, and that, okay, but... Is that the difference? Well, hold on, there's two differences. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So through my North American lens, like literally almost nobody here uses a debit card to pay for something online.

Like, I don't, I don't, I don't even know if we can't. You could use email money transfer. There are ways to use debit cards for online payments, but it's like really unnatural and not. So functionally speaking, if you're buying something online as a North American, you are using a credit card or you are using your PayPal account, which is probably linked to a credit card or can be linked to a bank account.

But that, from my understanding, is exceedingly uncommon compared to just using a credit card. So maybe part of our ick around stuff like buy now pay later like clarna is that we assume that you're already using a credit card. So there should be unless you are being financially very irresponsible, no reason to use a buy now pay later scheme because you are already using a buy now pay later scheme. My first few exposures to it were discussions where people were talking about how they can still order

things like Uber Eats, even when they've maxed out their credit cards. Those were the first few exposures I had to it. Not one, like all of them for like months. And so then... Was people talking about that. Part of it too then could be our cultural experience of living in a place where credit cards themselves, too, are something to be treated extremely cautiously where we know that they are not used responsibly.

and one of the reasons that is often cited for people to have trouble controlling their spending with a credit card is that it has no, like, no discernible change in weight or size when you use it, you know, like cash does. So it can be hard for some people to keep track of it. So to me, something that you pay over an even longer period of time would seem to me to compound potentially that problem. agree? It's like that whole thing where like, oh, you buy a, you buy a couch and it's $0 down, 0% interest for three years. It's like, why does that model work? Because it's going to get interest from... Because it has 30% interest when you don't have it paid off in three years. And you're going to forget about it because it's three years later

and then you just get slammed. People can afford $300 for the couch they want now. They can't afford $3,000. and instead of just buying a $300 couch they want the one that they can technically afford because they have an extra $300 bucks every month. D. Jenner in Float Plain Chat says, so you guys support the payment processor censoring

game purchases. It is not your responsibility to police the way other people spend money. If I want to pay later to gamble, that's my issue, just don't promote these things. Well, now hold on just a gosh darn second here because putting the logo on our website is promoting it. So that's one thing.

And there is a degree of corporate responsibility for not engaging in things that have the potential to be predatory, right? Like the whole thing where a third party that was nothing to do with the transaction, right? In those cases, the payment processors were interfering and through outside influence groups were putting their own moral values on a transaction that was taking place between the first two parties. So we have a fourth party influencing a third party to influence the second party when you're just trying to buy something. That is not the same thing at all. That's not the same thing at all. In this case, we have two parties, and one is deciding whether to implement a payment processor that can potentially be harmful. Like, I think that it's a very slippery slope to say, well, corporations should just implement whatever.

And if people can't use it responsibly, then, like, whatever, that's on them. Because I think as soon as we start to say something like that, well, like, why even have warning labels on cigarettes? Because, you know, they're adults. It's their bodies. It's their right to do whatever they want. It's like, well, like, yeah. But the whole reason that we have warnings, the whole reason that people get the ick around

the mobile gaming industry, for instance, is that it can be very targeted. it can be very exploitative and we are aspiring here to not behave like that that's a good thing it's we're not we're not interfering in two other parties business and and

pushing our own sort of moral value we're just trying to operate our business with integrity the thing that kind of shifted my stance on a little bit was talking to people in Sweden essentially more than more than one.

I talked to a few. And they're all like, yeah, what are you even talking about? This is super normal. And not just super normal. This is just like how you buy things. It's like, okay. I don't know. I just was unaware.

And I think it still doesn't make me comfortable with it, but I'm also not completely comfortable with credit cards. I mean, we've talked on WAN show about the insufficient fund errors on flow plane going up. that's uncomfortable. I don't like that. Don't do that. And I think we just need to say the same thing about by now, pay later.

Which is like, don't do it if you can't pay sooner than later. Personally. But I don't know. Because just because there are, this feels like geographical to me. Because like literally, like if I look up, Um, there are more. Stay the Path asks. Um,

LMFAO, thanks guys. I'm still not clear if Canadians use credit at all. Question mark, question mark, question mark. Like, do you guys only buy stuff when you can pay for all of it up front right then? Yes. That's not all Canadians.

Actually, one of the reasons that there's a high degree of awareness around this topic for us is that household debt is I believe at an all-time high right now and it's a it's a major issue for us as a as our as a Canadian society to try to figure out how to how to tackle and shift our culture on but for I speak for me and Luke personally and I think I heard Dan pipe up back there but I was not already

aware of that for Dan what's that sorry 100 fucking percent yeah no I have never made a discretionary purchase if I don't have cash you've got to be kidding me yeah and and i use credit cards for literally every purchase ever yeah me too and i always treat it like it's cash yeah yeah every purchase goes into a spreadsheet at the end of the month absolutely and to be clear there are healthier types of loan like while um while the housing market in vancouver was going gangbusters um like people would take the equity that they had built up in their home because the value had gone up so much and they might take some of that money out of it as an additional loan versus the mortgage they originally took out to do a renovation on the house with the idea being that well the value

of the property is going to go up so much anyway that by the time you sell it it's basically free real estate like there and that was at a much lower interest rate or like for example my parents they often they had a line of credit that we would often have to use in August because they were both educators and weren't being paid in the summer. And some teachers do take on summer jobs, but they didn't. They took care of us kids in the summer because they had five of us. And so, you know, yeah, we would dip into a line of credit from time to time. But in terms of, like, we're talking about credit cards and buy now, pay later here, guys.

We're talking stuff with, like, crazy interest rates. Like, I don't, I don't want to give any financial institution a penny of interest if I don't have to. Why would I? I just think the thing that's... I'll buy a GPU later. The thing that's shifting my mind, yeah. The first shift was talking to Swedish people and just being like, oh, okay, interesting.

And then I started looking into it more. And then I started hearing people talk about the term, by now, pay later. And it's just credit with a different shirt on. Well, yeah. Yeah, they're micro loans, basically. But that's what credit cards are. So, like... Yeah, well, that's kind of why I said earlier.

Like, it's at one month versus, like, six months. because, you know, Visa pays for my purchases for less than a month or one month. I guess Klarna is paying for your purchases for six months. It's the same thing. I'm trying to figure out why I'm so put off by it. I think we are having the same sort of gut reaction, which is this month I have $3,000 to buy a GPU. So I'm going to buy that GPU because I have $3,000. I'll put it on my credit card.

I would really like this GPU, but I only have $500. So I'm going to split that over four months. You only have $500. Maybe you shouldn't buy that GPU. Maybe it's better to save. Or you should buy that GPU, but you should buy it in four months after you have saved it up ahead of time. Maybe they're trying to capture a deal, something like that. I think the stuff like Klarna for somebody like myself promotes bad spending habits.

and I think it's designed to promote bad spending habits because not necessarily, this is more advanced than that. Klarna's like sucralose, whereas credit cards are sugar. It's way easier to pay 20 bucks now than it is to pay 200 bucks, and you pay 20 bucks on top of it so your bills every single month blossom. I see what Dan means, where by the time you start to realize how deep you are in it, you could be deeper in it This happens with credit cards

Oh yeah it does And this is a more advanced version of that You're paying zero dollars up front No no I totally understand what you're saying But I also understand Dan's point This is just that but worse And it's only worse Hold on

It's only worse Just you understand it's the same It is but it's also could be worse Okay Because we gotta understand that not every person is going Hold on hold on Hold on. Dan, wait. Let me break through because he's got a bit of a mental walk here. I'm new at this. I think I know what the problem is. Okay. Good, good. So the point that Dan is trying to make is that with a service that extends it by such a lengthy period of time, there is a potentially such a long delay between when you made the initial decision and when the negative impact hits you that you may have had much more time to make compounding negative decisions in that time.

whereas your credit card bill arrives every month. So it's kind of like if you had multiple credit cards that you were using to pay each credit card and you only realized what a problem it was by the time your last credit card was due is I think what you're trying to say, Dan. Yeah, I get a big bill. The credit cards also have minimum payments, which is what, like, a lot of people do. But you're paying off your Klarna. But you have to look at it.

You're paying off your credit card. You're paying off your Klarna. Every single month I get this big bill. I pay off my big bill. But when I'm looking at a purchase and I'm staring down this GPU and it's three thousand dollars i'm making a uh an internal decision do i really want to hand over three thousand dollars right now if all of the purchases that i'm doing throughout the day are oh this is only 20 bucks right my GPU only cost me a hundred dollars and then i go to another store oh this is only

going to cost me a hundred dollars this is only 50 bucks oh hold on my door dash instead of being 15 bucks that cost me two dollars and then luke's point is it could be just as insidious if it's zero dollars exactly the same so okay they're not exactly no because on the minimum payments it's about, it's about the, the, I don't think everyone sees it the way that you happen to be seeing it right now. Depending on your psychological profile. I think one or the other could absolutely be worse. Yes. And so I think that's an important thing for us to all kind of capture here. For sure. And I think that my gut reaction came from, I saw Klarna as on top of credit cards, which is maybe why I saw it as the, the more evil of the two. But I also see your point that

if either are being used independently, they are functionally the same thing. Because with minimum payments, it's the same thing. I think they probably want us to move on, but there's one more quick thing. Rooker says, come on, Linus, kids come out of college in six-figure debt. So the difference there was I had a really great summer job. I ran a painting business with a similar thing to college pro, and so I came out of school with no debt. so when I say

I have saved up ahead of time for every major purchase in my life I do mean that and I've been very lucky to be able to do that I was able to live at home while I was going to school that made a big difference

I mean I commuted four and a half hours a day or whatever so there were definitely downsides and I got some help from my parents as well they paid for half of my first car if I recall correctly so that was a couple thousand dollars actually it was a cheap car but it was it moved from point a to point b which was what i needed um there was more to the deal my mom was also going back for

another degree and so like i i drove her as well as part of you know like it was it was a multifaceted deal the point is just that no that is that is that is that is a that is a thing saving up before you buy something is definitely a thing um and that was one of the reasons that I have and even continue to shop secondhand because it's cheaper and because then you like don't have to save for as long. The hunt is also kind of fun. The hunt is fun. Not everybody's into it. Not everybody's into it. Crystal says you also didn't finish college. You also live in a country where that's

actually feasible. Not anymore. So that's a thing that's changed, right? And to be clear, none of what I'm talking about had anything to do with student loan debt. I didn't mention student loan debt. That is something that depending on the program that you're going into, depending on the return that you might expect from it, could make sense. Yvonne's education made a lot of sense. And one of the reasons that we were able to pay for her education was that I did drop out.

And I contributed to her education, even though that probably didn't make sense for where we were at in our relationship at the time. But she seemed like the one, and it seemed like a good idea, and it paid off just fine. So make of that what you will. But it's obviously a discussion that is creating a lot of, generating a lot of emotions in viewers right now. And we were basically just looking to kind of take your temperature on this whole buy-now, pay later. it seems like in general people are pretty aligned on what's the difference at this point

um so I don't know I maybe we'll talk about it some more yeah Angry Panda it's been an interesting discussion I don't know if there's more to say if nothing else yeah maybe there is nothing more to say

I mean are you just you just are just like whatever at this point do a capitalism turn it on I don't I don't like consumer choice that's kind of where I'm sitting I don't like it but if you want to do it sure because you don't use credit cards

I use credit cards for everything I use credit cards for everything Archivic and Floop Plainschat may have come into the conversation a little bit later and says you don't have a choice in taking credit cards and you don't have a choice if someone signs up for one

but you do have a choice in enabling buy now pay later someone could sign up for a predatory service because you offered it so you might have missed the part earlier in the conversation where we don't have a choice. PayPal is just pushing it.

It will be enabled. That's it. So buy now, pay later, we'll be enabled on our site, regardless at this point. And that's the reason that we're even having the conversation at all. That's what sparked it.

All right. But it's also like, I don't know if that's a... This whole thing, it comes down to perspectives because like, I understand what you and Dan are saying, but I think there is an archetype of person who won't see it that way.

That's my core argument. That's the problem. Sorry? That's the problem that they don't see it like that. No, for sure. That's why they end up in horrible cyclical debt forever. This is like not a good thing at all. And I think these micro-multimuth loan things encourage that more than a credit card.

See, I don't necessarily agree. Anyways, we're getting really cyclical. But it doesn't matter because. Because it's going to, it's going to be different for different people. And I think that Dan can be right and you can also be right. I think so. So I think that particular argument doesn't matter. My point is that by having a checkout that shows that it's compatible with certain things,

I think it's exactly the same. Right. Because if you go, I want this thing and then you try to buy it and it's like, you can use these things to buy it. I think it's exactly the same as showing a clarinet button. Because if you're like, oh, I don't have one of these, you can just look it up and have a credit card afterwards. Yeah, I think that's reasonable.

It's always interesting when we get the drop PayPal suggestion. So many people, literally, the second we dropped PayPal from our site, I guarantee you our customer's support inbox would just be flooded with people asking why the fuck we don't support PayPal because now they have no way to buy anything from our store. A surprising number of people, I didn't realize this. PayPal is not a huge part of my... life paying for things i i don't really use it um other than like corporately um but some regions that they are super relying on paypal they're super into paypal and that's just the way it is not

not taking paypal would not be a good idea period it would just it would literally make customers mad for what would we accomplish PayPal is uh functionally a monopoly in their space That would be like me refusing to engage with Ticketmaster. You know what? I'll just never go to a concert again because F F-Ticketmaster. And honestly, that would be a pretty based take at this point. Like, if that was somebody's stance, I wouldn't be like, I disagree. I'd be like, that's pretty cool.

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The one-time card service enables you to use Klarna payment options at any visa card accepting online store in the U.S. Oh, okay. You can just generate credit cards with Klarna. So it literally just is a credit card if you use it that way. No, it means you can use it anywhere. It means you can use Klarna anywhere. Oh, I see.

I see. Doesn't matter if they accept it or not. They pulled out. Okay. I don't want to talk to you guys about this anymore, and I don't think chat wants. to hear you talk about it anymore either. I agree. So why don't we talk about...

Oh, God, I scroll over the opening I one. Minimize that. Let's not talk about that. Why don't we look at this cool? Anything good? An LTTV made a backpack commercial. There is something good. Wait, go back.

Go back to what? This is so cool. Just, I don't know. I made this about a year ago. Says Mean Ad 9378. It's just been sitting on my... The house lick was that transition. Sorry.

It's just been sitting on my laptop ever since, thought I'd share it with y'all. It's no masterpiece, but thought it'd be better if it was seen by someone rather than sitting on my hard drive forever. Let me know what you think. If it sucks, tell me it sucks. It was just a project to keep me busy at the time, so no hard feelings. So cool. That's all I have to say about that. Just thought we'd, you know, change the tone a little bit here.

What else we got? Ah, yes, Asus is rolling out fixes for RRG laptops. Users have been complaining about stuttering issues on Asus laptops. and ROG has released a beta-bios update on September 26th to remedy these issues. Currently, it is a beta, but there are plans for a finalized release in hopefully early October. And our discussion question here for Mr. Adam Sondergaard is, how does this response from ASU's compared to their responses to customer complaints in the past? Surprisingly quick.

All things considered, I mean, it was two weeks ago that, oh, man, sorry, I forget the name, but developer developer buddy sort of highlighted what he thought were the problems with their firmware

so what I just press oh I pressed this one whatever no big deal I don't remember his name either yeah I'm not too worried about it at the moment but why don't we do oh this is cool

PC games hardware. Dot DE tested 180 I don't know I don't read German so whatever

tested 180 oh okay well apparently that was the wrong one cool uh tested 180 games across four benchmarks just in case you were curious how an rtx 4090 150 cards not games sorry 180 gpues

did i say games i'm sorry 180 gpues across four benchmarks in case you wanted to know how an rtx 5090 compares to say a radion HD 5750 This is super cool You guys should go check it out One of the top upvoted comments on this was

This is the sort of work that Labs should be doing With one of the top upvoted replies to that Being no they shouldn't This is stupid I agree with the top comment This is exactly the sort of thing That I would love for labs to be able to do Once we've got our testing automation

Really nailed down That's going to be a hot minute Which we don't yet and it's going to take some time. Quite a bit of time. But I am more than willing to keep shoveling money into the furnace. Clarna time. The money furnace.

And that's what we use to heat our buildings in the winter. And I want to make this happen. I want to make it like interactive with some of the cool features that the lab's website has been working on. Or the lab's web team has been working on over the last little while. Oh, we had a topic called there's so much happening at labs. do. Oh, okay. We weren't showing any new features.

So we'll get to that in a second. There's technically a feature. But like with all the comparison stuff, with our ideas for like bringing your own price, so that you can compare like used stuff. That works. We just need more GPs on the site, but those are coming.

Yeah, let's go. So yeah, no, I want to do it, but we're going to have to have like a test farm in order to test at that kind of scale. And I'm here for it. I'm excited. It's going to be a while. But it's coming.

Okay. Is it time? Do I talk about the articles? Okay, sure. Yeah. There's been a lot of articles on the lab site recently. And some people have actually noticed. We've gotten a bunch of views specifically on this one from Lucas, the iPhone 17 series test

results, which is a companion article. And I do want to show off that feature. So if I'm on the, say, main page and I see these latest. articles on the side, I can check out the different tags that they have. So the iPhone 17 series has short-circuit companion. So if I click on that, well, there's one. The beta site has more than one. That's a teaser, I guess, but I'm used to that being more than one. I can go to investigative and see that we have all these articles that are tagged with investigative. And as we keep going, we're going to try to keep on having more. So you can kind of sort through things

nicely. But the iPhone 17 series test results is great if you want to dive further into the iPhone than the video did in regards to performance and results and whatnot. This one was really fun. There was a quote from Linus where he said, this graphics processing unit has functionally zero support for graphics processing. No Vulcan, no direct X, and no OpenGL to speak of. And that sparked Nick and Jesse to work on the Why Are These Called Graphus Cards article, which I thought was a brilliant idea for something to write. And it's long and very interesting. And I think you should check it out if that sparks your interest.

And then there's, is there a question at the bottom here? Yeah, we'd love to hear thoughts on the LCD forum. There's a little thread there. So maybe check it out. Thread there on the H200, to be clear. and then there is the newest one this came out six hours ago um and this is the intel arc pro b 50 your workstation deserves nice things too and this dives over the b 50 card there are some stats in here in the table for like the b 60 but we don't have a b 60 we are interested in uh intel's

battle matrix thing because this looks sick and that would be b60s but maybe another day maybe another time. This article is kind of fun. There's memes. It's cool. Check it out. But yeah, we have been pumping some articles on the lab site and they are pretty neat,

pretty cool. So consider checking those out. The iPhone 17 article got a lot of traffic from like suggestions and Google and external sources, not just people going to it, which was neat. Our highest click through lately, that isn't just Google search has been not the YouTube channel.

Really? I think I told you about this already. Maybe not in those terms. You told me the click-through was good. Well, yeah, but it's hacker news. We've had more clicks from hacker news than the Linus Tech Tips or short-circuit YouTube channels. Even both of those combined, as far as my understanding goes, it's been a lot more from hacker news, which has been pretty sick. So that's cool. I don't know necessarily what Hacker News wants to know about things, but considering

they're driving a decent run of our traffic at this point, if you're a frequenter of Hacker News, maybe ask us some questions or something. I don't know. We'll keep working on stuff. At this point, the goal for labs in regards to articles is that if we think something is interesting or we ask a question or if we see someone else ask an interesting question, we just want to do it. And if that ends up becoming a video sweet and if it doesn't cool we have an article on it because one of the big goals is to just expand the knowledge base within labs and make it so that reading labs articles is like a fun interesting uh you know keeping up with what's happening in tech thing for you to do and not keeping up with what's happening in tech in regards to just like news and announcements

but um knowledge and learning and those those fun things so Yeah, keep checking those out. We like writing those. We like your feedback. We don't have comments on the site yet, but we generally use the forum as a feedback vector. So do that. Yeah, that's basically that whole topic. I just wanted to show it those articles.

Cool. Man, how did we start out with, I don't think we have enough for the show today and then? It's every time. Every time. This is wild. So red dot is an app that crowdsources and allows users to, wait, oh, yeah, crowdsources and allows users to report sightings of ICE officials in the U.S. Google made a statement to 404 media claiming that it removed apps sharing the location of ICE officials because they are a vulnerable group. Ice Block was the first one to be removed from the App Store.

Apple made the move after receiving pressure from the U.S. Department of Justice following an attack that was made on an ice force. facility injuring detainees. Google gave a statement to NGadget that they never had ice block on their platform, but removed similar apps anyway for violations of their policies. Besides the recent attack, Google clarified that these apps didn't appropriately moderate user-generated content. Reddot claimed that their app aggregates reports from multiple trusted sources alongside user-generated content to determine which locations should be marked with activity.

However, the app developers asserted they do not track any individual person. movements and they reject harassment interference or harm towards ICE agents or anyone else. It remains to be seen whether any of the removed apps will be allowed back on either platform. It's been very interesting to watch the discourse around this and how it has changed now that it is ice agents rather than Chinese authorities in Hong Kong. I will leave it there. no i won't quite leave it there there was a lot of discussion around how apple bending the knee to china um by removing apps that allowed protesters to figure out where chinese authority crackdowns

were happening was um anti free speech anti-american all that um and for some reason it's an extremely conversation here. I'm not saying, I don't think I'll take a position on whether these apps should, that allow tracking of law enforcement in near real time should exist on either platform. That's not really, that's not really my role right now or here. All I really ask for is some consistency. If you're going to take a principled stand on something, then you should take a principled stand equally if it's in some other country or if it's in your own. That's all. oh no more AI stuff do we have to there's a lot of AI stuff in the talk

can we just not yeah let's just not oh god met is going to use your AI chat history to serve you even more targeted I mean that's kind of a given you know what I'm just gonna take it I'm gonna get rid of it yep okay it's gone now now I don't have to know

okay did we do the UK demands backdoor access to Apple cloud storage again oh sure go for it Ars Technica reports a new order from the UK Home Office has demanded a backdoor to Apple's encrypted cloud storage, but just for UK citizens this time. This follows a January order that sought global access to encrypted user data and caused diplomatic issues with the U.S. It was announced in August that the UK had agreed to drop the demand in regards to American citizens, but the logic appeared to be that any backdoor would weaken protections for U.S. citizens. Apple repeated last week we have never built a back door

or master key to any of our products or services and we never will our discussion question is on a scale of 1 to 10 how surveillance state do you consider the UK I don't live there so I don't keep up with UK news nearly as closely as I do with

Canadian news and our nearest neighbor news so I'm not even going to, I'm not even going to begin to wait into that one other than to say that a lot of what we've seen doesn't look great. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair to say. We did the testing GPUs. AI stuff. AI brain robot thing? I think us free Western democracies need to really take a long, hard look in the mirror and ask ourselves how different we are from some of the authoritarian in states that we for so long turned up our noses at.

There, I'll say that much, too. All right. What do you want to talk about? There's only really one topic left if we want to do it, and it's another AI one. I'm over it. It's the body agnostic AI brain robot thing. Okay, it's pretty cool. To demo their body agnostic AI brain, company demos, is the name demos?

robots oh company demos robots re-learning how to walk after being dismembered by a chainsaw pretty cool wow yeah they're just like people instead of training one model for one robot skilled dot a i created a universe with 100,000 robots and used the same model to train them all for a simulated millennia worth of time cool uh now when the brain is popped into a new body it can adapt to whatever that body might be a major benefit they show you case in the video is that it could adapt to modifications to whatever body it inhabits even on robots that it had not previously been trained on it's pretty cool that is pretty neat i don't think they needed to use a chainsaw on now but it's it's so they're vulnerable

i get it got clicks for sure yeah yeah yeah it got us to talk about it yeah good job marketing team yeah pretty cool hopefully for your sake they don't kill you first okay they'll be first thanks luke One of these days we're going to do the all positive news, WAN show. But it is not this day. I'm scared. I'm in danger. You don't like that you could like shoot it. It's like it's like a zombie at that point.

It doesn't have to stop. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that that's a sort of. Yeah. I mean. Dude, it's like lower accurate video game though. This is where they were going.

Shoot the red thing. they're going to learn I'm playing the new Final Fantasy Tactics Remaster Oh I'm enjoying it It's actually really good timing for it to come out Because I have to start getting some time in With the Xbox LAX

You had issues with the Final Fantasy 6 remaster Well that was just like the Okay relatively minor ones Very different things No Final Fantasy is pixel remaster It's functionally the same game But like how do I put this?

You think Tactics is functionally the same game? Well, okay, so Final Fantasy 6 pixel remaster was like a coat of paint and a newer translation I don't prefer. Both of which are also true of the Final Fantasy Tactics Remaster, but with Final Fantasy 6, there were like game balance issues. Like, it felt like the tick rate wasn't right or something on certain abilities and like I don't know there were things that didn't seem quite right overall it was really good but if I was to play through it again again again I would probably just play the SNS card as for tactics so far it's looking pretty good I'm playing the new remastered one

are you looking this up I'm playing the new remastered one but it comes with the original as well and the the director for the remaster is actually the director of the original game so even some new content that was added in the advance port of it the Game Boy advanced port of it has been removed because it was like not part of the original game. Is it the Avalice Chronicles? Um, Avalis. Ivelis.

Ivelis, I think. I originally played the game with no voice acting. So I don't actually, the voice acting is really cool. I don't really use it because I like to skip quickly through things. So what I generally do with JRP's is like this is my new, my new technique is I switch the language over to Japanese, which I don't speak. and so that way I can hear the intonation for as long as it goes and then I can cut it off mid-sentence and I'll never know the difference

okay so you said it comes packaged with the original is this like in the pixel remastered when I could press a button and it would switch graphic styles between or is it two launchers there's two two games in the launcher oh I see and it just has a lot of little creature comforts I don't love some aspects of the interface there's a little bit more delay. Like if you want to rip through menus, you can't. There's a bit of delay on them. And like the the menu for learning new job abilities and assigning them, those are in two completely different places for reasons that I'm not quite sure that I fully understand. So hopefully these

are things that they can continue to fine tune over time. But little creature comforts like being able to press the right button to quickly navigate through cutscenes is like a lifesaver, because some of them are really long in this game and I don't think the original had any way to fast forward or skip them. There's, I would say, better camera controls. Graphics look a little nicer, yeah. An oddly big, maybe not that odd.

An oddly big thing for me with remasters is, are the controls more modern? Definitely. Because some of the old controls for things are brutal. Well, Tactics was for PS1. I mean, analog sticks were not a given. Yeah. Right?

So being able to use a stick for the camera control compared to, I believe it was left and right R1R2 to rotate the camera on the PS1 version. Yeah, it's an improvement. There's no official announcement as far as my understanding goes, but there's like very extensive, reputable leaks that there's going to be a Assassin's Creed Blackfly remaster. You'd play it. You'd play the heck out of that. I don't think you'd 100% it. No, I never 100% of the first one. There was one Assassin's Creed you did.

Hold on, hold on, don't tell me. Two. There was three that I did. Oh, all right. Did you 100% Assassin's Creed too? Yep. Okay, then I got it at least one third right. And you're still kind of actually entirely right

because it was two, two Brotherhood, and two Ascension. Nice. Nice. I got my Luke lore, like, mostly down. That's pretty deep lore, too. I don't think we've talked about Assassin's Creed, too, since we're sitting on the couch

at the Langley House. That honestly sounds accurate. I think it's time for After Dark. Should we do this thing? Remember when After Dark was like a cheeky name for when the WAN show ran really late, and it had gotten dark outside? Now it's a given, and it's always dark outside

at the end of WAN show. How did this happen? What did you do, Dan? I don't know. I don't know. I'm solely responsible for your scheduling day in and day out as well as our keeping you on topic. Yeah, way to be. All right, after dark, hit me with a merch message. I'm going to push another button.

In danced events, question mark. We didn't get to start the show today until rather late. Okay. I was doing something very important. important. I'm going to be traveling next week and I, um, are you away for WAN? No. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'm just going down a vid summit. Um, so I was away next, I'm going to be away next week. And so I wasn't going to have a chance to, uh, shoot a video that was like, it was a quick one for me to write. It took me like a couple hours, but I still needed a couple

hours to write it. And it's something that we need to address, I feel quite urgently. And I didn't want to wait another week to be able to film it once I'm back. It's addressing the issue around YouTube members-only videos on our channel. And I think they got to go. And so rather than us just yonking them with no communication, I wanted us to have a very clear statement. So I wrote something up and then I did like a quick, quick, like peer review for the script with James and then Jordan also had a look at it. And then I quickly shot it before when, but it did take me a little bit of time. Do you have a way to export the, is this even okay? I'll figure it if it's okay after. Do you have a way to export the email list of all your members? No.

All right. Heaven's no. I mean, YouTube, that's the whole point of them controlling every aspect of the platform. I was going to say we could offer them like a free month on float plate or something. Just to get them started. I don't think we'd really have a way of doing that. Do we have the ability to offer a free month or would that be like manual? We can do that if we have like a, you know, Excel sheet. Oh, I see. Okay. All right, but we never mind. We'd want all their, we need all their emails. Yeah, I thought we like had free trials as a mechanism now, but no. Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, Merch messages?

Yeah. Hit me. Linus. Is Yvonne into the braces? Also, any tips for someone switching to Grafino-S? Heaven's no. She, like, didn't want to kiss me for a while because she was afraid I'd, like, you know, rip her lip off.

Yeah. Any excuse, I guess. Ouch. Damn. Oh. Who are you kissing, Dan? I guess the unemployment line after that. I should say, same amount of people as you.

There you go. Give me a second. Give me a second. It's late, I'm slow. Jerusalem says line is too mean. Hey, I started it. Oh, man. Hot Pond Cracker says Yvonne likes to pick the food out.

No, she definitely doesn't. Definitely not. Does that happen? Is that a problem? No. No, I would definitely not go anywhere near her mouth with these unless they were clean. I believe in personal hygiene. Did you mean, like, does food get lodged?

Yeah, like, are they difficult to, like, keep clean? I could probably get, like, a one inch, like, section of noodle stuck in them. Like, it's horrible. Yeah, because I was going to say, when I had braces, I was absolutely a thing. Oh, as for Graphene OS, I'd say, I'd say graphene OS, so we have, I actually shot that video today too, the, the switch, dude, it has like the funniest intro, I think we've shot in probably at least a month, maybe like six months.

It's so funny. It starts, I'm just like talking about graphene OS and I like notice someone coming after me and then I go and I like try I'm about to like try to like try to steal a motorcycle and then like I get arrested and then I'm like taking my mugshot because the the title of the video is going to be I tried the criminal's choice the criminal's phone of choice for a month but everything that I'm saying is just totally straight faced like about Graphene OS and and we almost immediately address that there's lots of reasons to be into GraphenOS outside of if you're you know a near do well but yeah it ends up Jordan wrote this hilarious thing it's like you know whether you're just really into privacy

or you're an air do well or you stub your toe running from the police or something like that so I like stub my toe and like wipe out and I'm like like Peter Griffin Graffinoess I don't know we

we put Jordan in one of those hilarious like British style cop hat was so cute and it like it was adorable It's like 40% the size it needs to be for his head. It's so tiny. And then we have him like pushing me down into the cop car.

I like hit my head and, you know, like, yeah, I don't know. It's really funny. Should be good. Anyway, my tip would be do it at a time when you're going to be off. If you're not super technical, like super, super technical, you don't ADB all the things. I would say do it at a time when you're going to be off for like a couple days on a long weekend or something so that you have a bit of time for your side quests because there's going to be some side quests you're not going to just immediately start smoothly daily driving it and everything works exactly the way that you expect it to

that doesn't mean that it's bad in any way super cool and for a lot of people not for everyone but just give yourself a bit of extra time to get it set up that's what i would say hello linus the tech and the tips winky face i was recently watching an older LDD video and I was reminded that Linus hates monitor light bars. What are some other objectively wrong opinions you hold?

You're asking me to determine which things I believe are wrong. That's tough. Luke, maybe you could tell me something that I am objectively wrong about. I don't think you're objectively wrong about monitor bars

so that's going to be tough. You agree on a lot of stuff. Yeah. I'm sure there's something. That's actually a really fun one. How often I see people talk about what an idiot I am and how someone sensible like Luke could hang around with me for so long. I think that means that Luke is also not sensible then.

By proxy. Oh, no, wait. Hold on. Nope. Always says that Luke is right about everything. Yeah, it's really interesting to watch how often Luke is right when actually we're pretty aligned on like a lot of stuff. The most annoying thing for me is when like we will battle about something and people are like, oh yeah, you stick it to the bar, and then a month later, I agree with you on something. And they're like, what a, he won't stand up for himself and stuff. Linus obviously holds so much financial.

sway over him that he can't disagree. Maybe I thought it was fine. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they're professional body language analysts. Like, I don't know, man. And they can use little snippets from Wancho to determine your innermost

thoughts. What are you objectively wrong about? Objectively wrong about? I mean, I'm sure I'm wrong about lots of stuff. I just can't think of stuff right now. It's just so, it's so hard to think of something that you believe is right that is objectively wrong because obviously if I thought it was objectively wrong

I would What is a controversial take that you have? I don't know, we could go with like ad block piracy But then I agree with that. I also agree with the core reference of it which is like you can just be okay with that and that's fine. Yeah.

Um I think this is just hamburgers versus hot dough. There's also been a really, there's, I mean, there's been a really interesting new development in that whole, that whole take when we had the, the, the, the, the, the apocalypse a few weeks back. Yeah. Where disproportionately, I don't think that's a development. Tech channels with, no, but it's a way that we can objectively say, okay, yeah, there is a clear impact here. Yeah. Tech channels with tech savvy audiences were disproportionately impacted by view count changes that allegedly were caused by, um, something to do with ad blocking. I thought it was interesting because, like, this is obvious, but I just, like, never really thought about it. It's always been talking about how CPMs and tech are really low.

Yeah. During that period, CPMs and tech. Considering how affluent and the ages, the demographics of the audience. And how they're often kind of based around shopping? It's reviews of products you might buy. Yeah. But CPMs and tech are really low. And then suddenly that happens.

And CPMs and tech are, not low anymore because revenue stayed the same but the views went down so you're CPM reflective of only the viewers that had no ad blocking yeah CPMs went way way up yeah so if if nobody was running ad block tech CPMs would be really good um well I don't know if I want to say really good there's some sectors on YouTube that are crazy like finance and whatever else but dude they'd be much healthier I'd say that um up next. Yeah, I don't know.

Chat's not getting much to work with here either. I thought chat was going to team me up. I thought you guys were going to hit me with this. Like, bring it on. But we're not making a Linus town is not objectively wrong. That is not inevitable. And I am not wrong for not making a new Christmas album. It was awful.

It was so awful. It was just, oh, God, it was awful. I think we should make a new Christmas album. You can't say. I'm objectively wrong. Yeah, I don't think that's objectively wrong. And sell it on the forum again? Okay, that's objectively wrong.

Objectively. I think it wraps around to be better. We should just move on. We should move on. I guarantee you there are things I think of this of. I just can't think of it right now. Should post mine lab's website. Just have all the wrong blog.

As experienced. YouTube creators. Often many channels have the same sponsor in which I am interested. Though whose link should I buy through whose link should I buy? What supports creators more? Which channels get paid

more? What supports creators more? So, okay. Affiliate links, right? Basically you choose, oh man, it's a personal choice. Although I think there's different ways you could go about it. So basically the question is you watch a bunch of different creators. they all have referral links for the same product or service

that you're planning to buy. So you're going to buy a laptop. I'd say you could do it a number of different ways. You could do it based on just who you like the best. You could do it based on who you've gotten the most value out of over the years. But personally, I lean away from those two. I lean more towards who had the best pitch, who had the most interesting pitch that you felt conveyed the value of the product really well,

but didn't mislead or over-hype it and I think I would take a what have you done for me lately sort of approach and go with yeah who had the best pitch who put a bit of extra work into into doing the read I think that would be a pretty okay way to do it but also the other two are perfectly reasonable

yeah I don't know I think it's a pretty good answer I don't really understand the like what makes more money or what creator makes more money thing oh i see that wasn't an additional question that was a factor of the first okay i get it okay great Nate finally got one obviously my name being Linus is objectively wrong because it's because Linus Torvalds pronounces it away cooler my first name is English and my last name is French so your name is objectively wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. Two objectively wrongs make a right? No, but three lefts do. Two L's do make a W. Oh! Yeah.

That's pretty good. And your name has too. I could do shape recognition. Where does the two else make a W thing come from? Because I know I've done it, but did that, does that have an origin? Probably.

Do I get credit for that? I'm not sure. I doubt it. Is that a thing? I don't know. I'm sure it was a thing. It's got to be a thing, right? Yeah.

You're objectively wrong for thinking that you get credit for that. Maybe. Hey, E. D.L. I saw you. I saw you. I saw that flash. I saw the flash on the stream deck. It was on there for a while, actually.

I saw what you did. I saw you do it again. Because it's a push button. Yeah, I know. I could just hold it. And then when you release it appears. Hey, DLO. Watching from Japan.

Question 4. Oh. Scrapard War season four. What about it? From Japan. Yours was worse. Painting a silver case, silver is lame.

You're objectively wrong. You painted a silver case silver? Mine was on fire, dude. Okay. Mine was on fire. Literally or figuratively at Scrappyard Wars. I don't know. Literally.

Oh, that's way better. Three sources of fire. I painted. I should think Bob painted, but someone on my team, painted that case. that case silver

because it was in what color did it start as a different silver that was an extremely poor condition it's very creative extremely poor condition very creative of you

there were budgetary constraints which you well know that's part of scrapyard wars you purchased silver paint I believe so actually maybe it was all we had I you know that was a very long time ago

I'm amazed yours maybe it's because you haven't won lately that you're so hung up on old scrapyard work No, is way heavy. Is that, is that the issue? It makes me feel good. Is it just because you don't have any recent victories to rub in my face? I, uh...

No, it's just because your builds sucked. And it's like, it sucks that judging can, can be so biased when you pay them. You know for a fact that... Internally and in the audience, nobody roots for me just because I run the company. I think it must have that season. I think it must of that season, because there is no way. I will never let this die. That was, there has been ones that I was kind of surprised by, didn't necessarily agree with, whatever.

Maybe some cheating involved. This one? No. Bull spit. Just trash. Bull spit. This one was trash. Bull spit.

Did I win? Did I win that one? You won season four. I don't even remember. And it makes no sense. I've won so many, especially recently that I can hardly, I can hardly recall anymore. It'll fade into the ether You're like tied with me now and you're talking

So much smack I'm only doing it because I know it bothers you so Much it's so trash He's actually so upset I'm trying to find your modern I'm basic boring How much this is? I'm working I got it already

I got it already Is his leg bouncing right now I got it already He's shaking Oh yeah he's angry Okay So here's our judges Hold on

Where is okay so where is my machine so oh look a silver computer versus one that's on fire in the background with pistons on it yeah you you doesn't seem very practical you put the pissed off in pistons i did it's ridiculous i'm not gonna ding that okay hold on yeah okay man we never it's freaking scrapyard wars man we like there's never glimps what do the systems look like oh hold on Man, it's amazing that we're a video production company at all. It's still on fire? It didn't have to be on fire.

How long does it burn for? Well, it had fuel in it. A long time, yeah. It was like a teaky thing. It was stupid. You didn't have to have it on fire. It was able to be not on fire. How did we go from this to the finale without ever actually seeing the damn systems?

And it just ends. Wow. You know how it ends? Here, hold on. I think I can see. how it ends here. Oh, what was this? Wait, you guys won. What are you even talking about? What are you even mad about? I don't think so. Oh, no, we won. Wow, by point eight. No wonder you're mad. Yeah. Garbage. And on your home turf too. Yeah, my parents' house. We were in

Luke's parents' garage and he had to lose there. Oh, that's rough, dude. I feel bad for you. Yeah, well, it's a scam. It's just actually a scam. I got scamp. Don't feel bad for clarned you're still paying off the interest here we're going okay I am I'm very delinquent emotional debt I like this concept with having to watch the judges look at them and us just being a reaction cam

though yeah why do you have a before that's stupid you can't show the before of what it I don't know what the before is out did we do that I don't remember that at all apparently I think you were just showing off that you had extra hardware. Maybe if you'd spent all of the money on the hardware you actually presented to the judges, you might have won. We probably, if we did, we probably got it for free. I think we were pretty

scrappy that season. Yeah, and I don't think anyone had introduced the meta of selling stuff yet. I don't think so. I think that was the, um, Jay and Dimitri. That might be right. I think that's when that started. Okay, so hold on. Oh, look how classy this machine looks though. How boring, dude. But look how classy it is. It looks like it came off a shelf at a store. Except it didn't Except it didn't Yeah imagine doing all that work To make it look normal

It was so garbage before we got it And now look how like classy it looks Water cooled Liquid cooled That's custom by the way That custom liquid cooling It was an AIO And then we used clear tubing

To make it not an AIO I wanted to bake some just so bored Looking at that boring computer Wow Anyways We can move on Hey Dela Watching from Japan

Question for Luke I'm a lead at a startup Using floatplanes stack How strictly do you enforce Folder file structure Linting and code consistency Versus shipping fast More so

First one than the other Shipping fast for a long time And then realizing Yeah We do a lot more now You didn't say tests or test-driven development. We don't go that far. We do have some tests, but we don't do test-driven development or 100% test coverage or anything like that. Far from it, really. And I think

that's fine. Do you lint? Yes. And we are slowly improving that over time. I know Jaden's doing a ton of work right now trying to get like some of the last bits fully properly linted. which will be nice, it will be good. And then from there on, we should be able to continue with 100% lented code. That's been a

many years long project because it's been one of those things where like just we never pursued 100% all at once. We would do like, okay, we're going to work on this project that touches this part of the code base. We will lint this part of the code base. And then we move along.

And it just ends up being like a little, adder onto feature requests, which allowed us to keep releasing things that would either make creators or users or developers, whatever, happy, but progressing on this goal at the same time. And a lot of that has been driven by Jaden, has been doing great with it. So that's where we're at with that. Yeah. What technology do you feel is taken for granted and underrated in 2025. Honestly, almost all of it. I think it is...

Oh, hell yeah. I think it's, as much as it pains me that a top-of-the-line GPU for, like, consumer-grade GPU starts at $2,000 US dollars and goes up to $3,000 US dollars. Like, if you showed that to someone when I was a kid,

like if you, and as much as modern games aren't optimized enough than developers are lazy, like, dude, If you showed, what was the, what was it Borderlands 4 that's been under fire lately? If you showed Borderlands 4 to me when I was a kid, I would think you were God. Like I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even be able to fully comprehend what I was looking at. I think we've gotten extremely entitled when it comes to the technology that we just, well, take for granted.

That was the question. I think we take it for granted. That doesn't mean that as consumers we shouldn't demand better. I mean, I was pretty upset when Apple made the AirPods Pro 3 downgraded from the AirPods Pro 2 in some key ways that mattered a lot to me. We should definitely hold trillion-dollar companies accountable when they do things that make their products worse or make our lives worse. but broadly speaking yeah I think I think we just kind of

take for granted that there's a computer in our pocket and another one on our wrist and another one in our backpack and another one on our desk at home like dude entire families had one PC and that was when you were doing really well when I was a kid you know

so all of it technology is so cool man like freaking like you ever just like hold a CPU and go like oh my god like there's physical features in this that are built literally on a scale of like actual atoms

oh my god how is this attainable at something even remotely approaching a consumer price how is this not exclusive to world governments like it's it's amazing you started going into it but I was going to specifically say CPUs or like I you know silicon based processors whatever you want to microprocessors whatever

it's the manufacturing that goes into them and then the fact that you can buy them for like a few hundred dollars yeah it's a few hundred dollars but what goes into it is billions of dollars like the craziest thing humans have done and then it's like a consumer good like that's wild amazing that it ever achieved such scale to be able to reach the economies we have day at all is remarkable. And with, like, ASML and all these guys, the, the ramp of the process involved is nuts. Like, back in the day, they dip wafers by hand into chemical baths and, like, it was this, it was this, like, very science-y kind of process.

And now you have just these boxes of mystery and amazing science comes out the other end. And there isn't even anyone in the room. like whoa incredible uh ninja ban away says uh the air pods pro three reaction caused quite a stir in the audio file community um yeah sure did and uh apparently crinical uh uploaded a video today um ninja man says yeah i saw that video it was wild there was no pushback on crin for essentially what dms and linus said that's hilarious i actually i haven't had a chance to check out critical's video yet I'll have to I'll have to watch it oh well the most important question did you get Alex's invitation to jam some tape to tape oh that being that's that that's my invitation

we actually we played for the first time like I think a like a week before he left or something like that and on his last day I was like we should play tape to tape I haven't played Alex I haven't played any tape to tape lately work's been busy which I I'm sure is relatable. Based on your... But yes, I'm down. Okay. Based on your metrics on YouTube or floatplane,

what's the weirdest type of device someone has used to watch LTT? I don't know if we would really have a ton of insight. We see browser, but... If I remember correctly, we joked about this a long time ago, and then people did a fridge and a DS or something. nice ds is pretty good i'm i'm taking ds that's sick i think that was it uh yeah

sorry i was replying to one here one second yeah crystal i played a week ago at a len i was playing with local people come on yeah doesn't count hey wan considering invidia's recent buy-in of intel what's your take on the long-term prospects of ark do I still have hope for ARC as a potential competition for AMD and NVIDIA in discrete GPU market. I mean, I'm hoping for the best, man. And my take hasn't really changed on all of this. Back when I said, this is not financial advice, and it's especially not financial advice today. But I think long Intel is a good bet that wouldn't have paid off as well as Nvidia back when I said it.

But the reasons that I gave for very, very long Intel were many of them still valid today. I said I believed in Pat's vision. Unfortunately, that one's not valid. But all the other things that I brought up around the geopolitical importance of Intel being functionally the only non-Southeast Asian cutting-edge semiconductor manufacturer have actually come to be true. I mean, literally the U.S. government put billions of dollars into Intel to make sure that China, I can't just take a little rowboat across that tiny little strip of water and completely invalidate any attempts at U.S. sanctions on semiconductor products forevermore. Yeah, everything I said then was still true except for, I believe, in Pat's vision. And now I just

I just have no idea what the vision is. I'm still hoping that ARC will stick around, but I can't, yeah, I can't. I really hope ARC, discrete ARC, sticks around. And, I mean, with AI being what it is, oh man, do I hope the bubble lasts for long enough for Intel to like maybe make a little bit of money on ArcGpUs for AI.

Yo, like Battle Matrix, dude. Battle Matrix? Super cool. I hope so, man. I hope that AI gives it a reason for them to keep putting money into it long enough that the gaming cards can reach a break-even point

where just, we're at the very least, they can just ignore it and it can keep doing its thing in the corner. That'll be awesome. That's my best case. They're going to have to get off of 0% market share. Yeah, they'll have to do that.

Okay, hey, is it time for our weekly Arkwatch? Let's go. Arcwatch. I don't think the Stinger for this. The Nvidia investment thing is going to change the path for ArcGpUs. If ArcGpUs no longer become a thing, I don't think it's going to be because of that. And I really, really, really hope that they continue being a thing. Okay.

This is Big Dumb. This is misleading. This is not $90. off. The MSRP of the ARC B580 is $250, but you can buy an Onyx Odyssey, Arc B580, for $249.99, and you can pay in four interest-free payments of $62.50. I am throwing back to an earlier conversation on the show. That is not a suggestion.

That is not a recommendation, but if you have $250 in your pocket right now, and if you need a pretty dece 1440p or really excellent 1080P gaming GPU and if you want to be a crazy person and have lossless scaling stuff going on. Free 3D mark. Definitely not as good as that battlefield deal, but that was a crazy. deal. That was a really good deal. What else we got? Asrock has one for $2.69.99 if you want. It's pretty close. It has 50% more fans for only, you know, 8% more dollars. So I guess that's a deal. Oh, wow. Those, uh, those reference cards are not available first party from New Egg. Remember,

that one was going during Intel Gamer deals. They had like, like a thousand of them were in the card or something like that, whatever it was. Um, man, I can't believe we're doing this again without me figuring out if we have a if we have a new egg affiliate remember we probably sold like a thousand GPUs that one WAN show and I was like hey do we have an affiliate link and then I was like I should look that up

let's do that every week yeah yeah so I got one part of it I got the part where we just do this every week I didn't get the part where we make any money but you know what it doesn't matter it doesn't matter because you can get an ASRock Challenger B580 for

25999 and check out game sales That's not a deal. Don't forget your OS. Get this out of here. The point is, ARC, 25999, $2.49.99.

You can buy one right now. I really, really want Intel to survive. We need somebody to keep Nvidia honest, and AMD is clearly not up to the challenge. Hi, LLD. Finally got Calios SG-10 copper edition case. That's the fanless one.

do you have any tips and recommendations for building in it have fun dude it's such a cool case it's so cool take your time go slow it's really heavy don't be go into it fully understanding like i would build the whole thing and then i would make the assumption that when i'm done building i'm going to want to tear it all down and do it again with everything I learned to the first time, because it really is not a for-beginners build. With it being that open,

the cable management's got to be crazy. Oh, and everything about it is crazy. It's really cool. And last one I got for you today. Hey, Linus, for kids, do you recommend an Apple Watch in Canada? The plan is only about 10 bucks a month, and there's no access

to the web, but it can still be located and called with texting honestly that was a big part of apple's pitch for the new SE is like for kids and it seems like a pretty compelling price that seems pretty cool yeah um with that said you know you could get a lot more functionality with like a cheap secondhand Android phone for that same amount of money but if what you're after is for them to not have the

functionality um there seems like the goal not a ton of other options like the the um the dumb phone market seems to have gone like super upscale over the last few years you notice that like they went from being these super affordable non-featured devices where the whole point was that they're cheap and cheerful and now they're like bougie i don't think that's true of all of them just the ones getting headlines so yeah if you wanted if you're if you're into it the nice thing about the apple watch is apple has done a very good job of supporting them over an extended period of time so by the time your kids are ready for a smartphone then they can just pair it to their phone and they can just keep using that same watch probably all i got and that's all i got

for you until next week same bad time same bad channel bye how long was that show oh my god how'd that I believe.