The WAN Show - I'm Not The Only CEO That Lost My Job - WAN Show November 17, 2023

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

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What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN show. We've got a great show for you guys this week, which is fortunate because yesterday evening I was sitting at the looking at the dock going, what on earth are we going to talk about? And then we had one of the wildest Fridays ever. Advertisers are pulling out of Twitter. Sam Altman is out as the CEO of OpenAI. I mean, who could have seen either of these things coming? What else we got this week, Luke? Fortnite banned skins for for for little kids

and people are upset about it and i think it's hilarious yeah i don't know what but well you took the good ones you take the good ones every time what do you what do you want what about the the blue bubbles on nothing android phones and all android phones maybe rcs something yeah that's actually pretty cool there might not there might not be any uh bubble color elitism soon we'll see yeah i'm sure they'll find another way and i didn't even take that amazon's gonna be selling cars would you no no but i would download this intro it's not on youtube why don't we jump right into our first topic of the day. Unfortunately, this is very much a developing story. We don't know a ton about it other than that Sam Altman is out as CEO of OpenAI.

Oh, my news source here says fired. Oh, yes, that's true. Okay, we do know that. The board has ousted Altman for allegedly lying to them, which I guess would make it pretty hard to do your job. They claim that they no longer have confidence in his ability to lead, and they now need an Altman. I added that last part.

That was me. I take full responsibility for that. They say his departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications. So not only did they fire him, they fired him. They called him a liar. Dang. It's not really clear at this time what Mr. Altman is alleged to have hidden from the board,

but OpenAI CTO Meera Muradi has taken over as the interim CEO. Sam did tweet. He says, I loved my time at OpenAI. It was transformative for me personally and hopefully the world a little bit. Most of all, I loved working with such talented people. We'll have more to say about what's next later. Our discussion question here is, how big of a deal is this and will it affect the long and short-term future of AI development? I think, oh, he's already ready.

He's ready to talk. He's opening up the chest. He's inhaling the air. He's ready to let it out. Yeah. I think it's an extremely big deal. I think it's a big deal for a bunch of reasons. Open AI is clearly a market leader. Um, and Greg Brockman, the co-founder and president of open AI stepped down as well. Uh, so Sam was fired. Greg Brockman stepped down just hours after Sam was fired, immediately quitting. And I think this is going to spell probably a lot of other people

at OpenAI stepping down, which I don't think is going to necessarily result in the destruction of the market leader of OpenAI just due to the amount of money and backing that Microsoft is able to put behind this. But it is a pretty major blow. If Silicon Valley has a golden boy right now, it is Sam Altman, for sure. So to have him outed like this and to have some really big names from open ai i'm saying some right now because i suspect by the time the majority of people watch this some will be true right now as far as i know it's only one but having the ceo and the co-founder slash president both disappear within a few hours i think that's going to end up sending waves and result in more than just

those people. Greg Brockman statement is pretty savage. Hi everyone. I'm super proud of what we've all built together since starting in my apartment eight years ago, we've been through tough and great times together accomplishing so much despite all the reasons it should have been impossible. But based on today's news, I quit. Damn.

Just straight into the point. Yeah. There's another paragraph, but that was really, that was the meat and potatoes of it. Wow. That is absolutely wild. I mean, this is, guys, for context, okay? This is like if in the 90s,

the board had kicked out Bill Gates and Ballmer had been like, f*** it, I'm out. Like, here goes the founder. Here goes the right-hand man. It's over. With that said, I mean, there are some people that I've seen compare Sam Altman to Steve Jobs.

I don't know that they mean that in a flattering way or a negative way. There were certainly things about Mr. Jobs that were both good and admirable. And, um, but the good thing about this is that it gives him a chance to have a very similar arc so i see this as an absolute win this all happened like right now i just got a shared from handyman in full plane chat a a post from axios.com um which i don't know if i can share with linus for screen sharing reasons right now very easily, but I'm going to try. I'm just going to post it right here. Oh, it's suggestion based. I had this removed before.

And then I guess my rights were taken from me. But there's a suggestion in the doc. Maybe I'm being ousted. But yeah, apparently Microsoft didn't even know this was happening because it happened from the board. And the board, as far as my understanding goes, again, we don't have a ton of notes on this because this just happened. But the board is comprised of people that actually don't have stock in the company. So Microsoft invested billions of dollars in OpenAI, as Axios said. What, they didn't get a board seat?

And didn't know that the CEO was being ousted. Are you kidding me? They don't have a board seat? Not sure. Okay, so guys, just for some context, you are not necessarily a member of the board of directors just because you are an investor. And you are not necessarily an investor

just because you are a member of the board of directors. But correct me if I am wrong here. you are not necessarily an investor just because you are a member of the board of directors. But correct me if I am wrong here. Typically, it is expected that there's some skin in the game for you to be in such a position of power such that you can vote on the actions of the company at a level that is assuming you have a unanimous decision or even a majority decision above the level of CEO and also that if you are spending the kind of time and effort and energy that it would take to be a functioning member of the board of directors that you'd probably be interested in having some skin in the game assuming that the company wasn't and actually had a chance right so there tends to be

a lot of overlap there and it is okay oh it's entirely non-investors because they're non-profit ish says um my mail 929 in floatplane chat okay i'll admit that I don't know much about how the structures of a nonprofit would work because all of my experiences realistically just talking about this stuff on WAN show and also running Linus media group Inc. So every once in a while, I will say something that is sort of based on either a like small business perspective or a Canadian perspective, because I'm not always familiar with us laws with respect to this kind of thing, but that actually kind of makes sense, but also is kind of wild. Wow.

Yeah. So we talked about this on WAN Show a long time ago. I don't remember all the details, but they were solidly nonprofit for a long time. I think the nonprofit still owns the company, but I think the nonprofit and the company that most people know about are actually different. And the company under the nonprofit is effectively for profit at this point, but still owned by this nonprofit, which would have the ability to do things like i was the ceo i guess um wow wild absolutely wild yeah and i mean to be clear it's not like i know mr altman personally so i'm not gonna sit here and go yeah i i think he's a genius and the nicest guy you'll ever meet and whatever, right?

Like, I don't actually know for a fact that they need him necessarily. They might. They also might not. But it looks like the rumor mill is going extremely, is moving extremely quickly right now. mill is going extremely is moving extremely quickly right now the only thing that i'll say about that is we should you know give this a little bit of time to settle before we try to draw any firm conclusions because the reality of it is unless your name is someone who actually works directly with any of these people of which there are maybe dozens like not that many even within these companies people might not have a perfect context for exactly what any individual's contributions or lack thereof might mean for

the future of the company. I think we should just give a little bit of time for the dust to settle and then see how this see how this shakes out. It probably won't have an immediate impact on their roadmap, because you know, these kinds of things don't change on a dime but then again it might senior leadership's out long live the new king yeah yeah i i know one thing that i would say is that it in regards to being a CEO for a Silicon Valley style company, I think he's done a rather legendarily good job of what that job mostly seems to be, which is building hype and investor interest in your company.

That's fair. So I don't think it's going to be hard. Or investor relations representative. Pretty much. I think that's effectively what that role is for a lot of those type of companies um so i i'm sure this is not the end of mr altman um as far as hearing from and about him um i'm sure there will be something next i wouldn't be surprised i have no idea i have no idea but i wouldn't be surprised. I have no idea. I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised. People are saying like, oh, we're going to see a Steve Jobs moment where like he's outed and then he comes back. If I had to put my prediction hat on, I think theAI outright, I could see something like that potentially. But that depends.

I mean, again, this comes down to not having researched or not fully understanding the nuances of how the whole nonprofit part of this works. It's possible that this board would be able to prevent such an acquisition from taking place. Whereas in the case of something like a public company, they might not be able to stop it as long as the acquisition was in the best interest of the individual investors who hold the shares of the company. Right? Like those are rules that I do have a bit more knowledge about, but in this case,

I'm in kind of uncharted territory here because this is a super weird uh this is it's like it's a super weird corporate structure the fact that they started out as this non-profit and then my understanding is they created a for-profit entity that the non-profit owns and controls which is like okay what really weird yeah how are you not are you a non-profit okay okay so hold on luke linus media group incorporated is a non-profit but linus tech tips the youtube channel totally for profit give me that money money money money money money money money money money money and i mean if Linus Media Group happens to make money, then I guess we chill, right?

I mean, we're not going to take it. We're just going to leave it. We're going to leave it in LTT Inc. It's just there. We didn't make that. They made it and we're just going to leave it there. But I'll never touch it, I promise. Like, i i don't know it just seems like a super weird structure

yeah someone uh king hippo and full play chat said exactly how firefox and mozilla work um that's cool but i think the finances running through open ai are a little bit more intense and AI are a little bit more intense. Sick. All right. Anyway. Anyway. There's a lot for us to talk about this week,

so we could sit and speculate about what this means forever, but I don't think we're going to be able to. Why don't we move on to Luke's chosen topic? Fortnite is restricting access to certain skins. Wow. Oh, man. Dang it, Fortnite. How dare you? It's so juicy.

Yesterday, Fortnite players found that skins in their locker had a new warning symbol on them alongside a notice that those items could only be used in areas rated 12 plus for teens only. Twelve? Does that count as a teen? I don't think so. Teen, I guess. The change was made without warning, but Epic Games has since confirmed that only around 7% of their skin library are now age-restricted. age restricted. The consensus among players is that skins featuring specific weaponry like pistols or knives are the ones that are going to be restricted from islands with a lower age rating.

Oddly, skins like Michael Myers, the fictional serial killer, are not actually restricted because I guess he's just wearing a mask. Yeah, what's wrong with a hockey player? That's Ken Dryden. True, yeah. According to Epic, next year, skins will be able to auto-adjust in appearance depending on the rating of the area. Epic has been accused of... Oh, this is a totally different thing.

Epic has been accused of nerfing Omni-Man's butt, his glutes. His glutes are rather flat in the Epic avatar. I don't know how this has anything to do with the previous part of this. But there's a question saying, should Epic return Omni-Man's cake? And I think, yeah, why not? I just thought this was funny because the discussion question was, these skins have significant monetary value to the kids who bought them.

Should they be offered a refund on their value? This is the big one for me, because if we're going to talk about it, I mean, yeah, sure. Are adults buying them? Come on. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. If you guys buy guys buy Fortnite skins that's fine I get it but Oh I see yeah my Point is like this is I think the real conversation here Is if if you're going to treat Your digital

Merchandise like it Has some kind of value the same Way that physical merchandise would Then I think it's not an entirely Unfair expectation as The buyer of aforementioned merchandise that it should if it doesn't retain its value necessarily retain its other intrinsic qualities over some period of time and i think we saw this play out we saw this expectation play out

that a skin would continue to operate the same way that it did in the past when Valve launched CS2. They didn't have to make the skins carry over from CSGO to CS2, but I think they correctly assessed that the community outcry would be immense if all of a sudden people weren't going to be able to enjoy the skins that they've spent. If all of a sudden people weren't going to be able to enjoy the skins that they've spent $10, $100, $1,000, $10,000 on from a day-to-day basis. And for some people, that enjoyment means playing with them. For other people, that enjoyment just means looking at their collection, right? Like we can't, I'm not here to judge the value of collecting skins right now. I think I've said enough on that in the past.

But what I will judge is the company's responsibility to maintain some level of continuity for that product that you have purchased. And I honestly think this kind of sucks. I get what they're trying to do. They're recognizing that the game... It's not restricted for the whole game, though. It's restricted specifically for islands that have a... I don't know anything about Fortnite,

but I think islands are like custom games. I don't think they're like standard matches. And it's for islands that have a low age range. Yeah, it's not like they took the skins from them. You can still play the main game. You can still play probably the vast majority of the game, just not islands that are age-restricted to 12+. Okay, counterpoint.

Let's say you paid for an expensive VRChat avatar to be created for you, and all of a sudden VR chat came to you and said, okay, yeah, you can't wear that skin in certain age group chat rooms. I have a strong feeling there are probably VR chat avatars that probably shouldn't be available. Okay, but I was getting to that.

I was getting to that. Look, there are two obvious counterpoints to this. One is if you're an adult hanging out in like a minor's chat room or whatever, then quite frankly, it should have nothing to do with the avatar you're wearing. You probably just shouldn't be there. Okay, number one. So I'm talking about kids who own this skin, right? Okay, we chill, we good.

Number two is in my example that was a third party skin but this is a first party skin so this is as though vr chat themselves had a service where you can buy an avatar and then all of a sudden you can't wear it to your favorite chat room or island or whatever the case may be Because my understanding is these islands can in many cases contain social experiences as well as just raw hardcore gaming experience. Is that correct? I am not a Fortnite expert. I don't even pretend to be one.

No clue. One of the things that confuses me the most about this as someone who doesn't know anything about Fortnite is even the box art has guns on it doesn't it i think so like doesn't the aren't the people standing next to the the fortnite logo don't they have firearms and then like if they can play like is there actually an account for fortnite where you can't actually play the Battle Royale? Yeah, like, there's a shotgun right next to the logo.

Like, part of me is like, yeah, sure, I don't know. Maybe they should be able to have age-restricted skins for, like, kid lobbies. But why is anyone... Maybe on those islands, they're walkie-talkies but but like you have to click on the thing to launch the game like you'd have to go into the epic game store which uses tiles for for their game launching if i remember correctly it's been a while since i've used it um but like but i just i don't know i i feel like once you even like the loading screen to launch the game i i feel like probably has firearms on it um it's i don't know i i understand the idea of trying to consider what content is going to be available in kid lobbies. I deeply question the idea of Fortnite having kid lobbies at all.

It doesn't make any sense to me. Here's an example. So farming simulator. Okay. So here's an island you can go to crafting survival, grow and sell crops rated everyone, mild fantasy violence. You'll have to launch the game.

Or team fight teen yeah i don't know this just seems like the kind of thing that was probably a lot of development effort when it would have been simpler to just put a disclaimer that says okay kids don't don't use this and then the kids just would just like they always did and then everyone could have just kind of gotten gone about their day um but maybe i'm maybe i'm missing something here yeah i don't know you could make it so that anyone with a kid account um can't see the skins um that are restricted if you're on one of those islands or something one of our children on staff ariel from the lab says i'm 90 sure that skins are banned in the main game uh which is where most of the players are so 12 plus islands are rare

wait what skins are banned in the main game? Well, not all. Okay, Ariel, what are you talking about? I'm going to need a little bit more clarification. I don't think he's right. I'm 90% sure skins are banned in the main game. Oh, it's like

most of the Fortnite content is all ages and some stuff is 12 plus where you can use the skins. Is that right? I'm just going to have to wait for Ariel to clarify what the heck he's talking about. He knows a lot about engineering stuff, though. He's really good at that stuff.

And he's really good at that hockey game that we play. Oh, Slapshot Rebound? No kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how he got that good that fast, but. Oh, slap shot rebound. No kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how he got that good that fast, but he's very good at it. Ariel just says, yes,

yes. What an answer. You're I'm trying to help you out here. I'm trying to help you out. Oh no. World-class. Please clarify. What is a children on staff i just mean he's really young the main game is all ages i think he says okay well yeah so but you can you can use skins in the main game so okay okay i think his point i think i get it i think i get it i think his point is that um these these like custom game modes very few of them are going to be 12 plus because

most people would just be playing the main game yeah all right that makes sense well at any rate fortnite news let's move on because ultimately who really cares let's talk instead about whatever dan says we're supposed to do uh you got 25 minutes until we're doing merch messages and you're already on topic two which is supposed to start in three so third topic what about third you could have third topic what do you want to talk about luke should we do nothing adding blue bubble messaging on android yep pretty cool right all right this was reported by the verge and nine to five mac and basically everyone and their dog but nothing the phone company to be clear not nothing the absence of anything has announced nothing chats an app that will make

a text from an android phone show up as an iMessage on iPhone, as well as enabling features like group chats, typing indicators, and voice notes. The app, exclusive to the Nothing Phone, is a collaboration with Sunbird, which provides iMessage to Android bridging services in beta. When Marques Brownlee asked if this operates similar to other bridging systems that route Android messages through a Mac server farm. Nothing confirmed that their solution is the same as that. Yes. So what this means is that users have to give access to their iCloud credentials to nothing or Sunbird.

I guess probably Sunbird directly. to nothing or Sunbird. I guess probably Sunbird directly. However, nothing says that Sunbird stores them as a token in an encrypted database and deletes them after two weeks of inactivity. Okay. Realistically, if implemented the way that they say it is, Luke, probably fine.

Probably fine. if implemented the way that they say it is luke probably fine probably fine uh probably fine enough i'll say not not fine entirely but i don't know enough but the challenge here is you know the old saying as it goes trust but verify luke is there any way that anyone could verify this? No. I don't think so. I mean, unless you basically... You try to break into it and fail. Okay, okay, that's not... Not a suggestion. Yeah, really.

Not legal advice. It's not investment advice either. It's nothing. You know what? Show's over. Show's over for today. We're out of here. See you nothing. Just, you know, it shows over. Shows over for today. We're out of here. See you later.

Have a good weekend. Damn it, Luke. Only two days later, though, Apple announced that all of this may be completely unnecessary. They are finally doing it. Can we speculate for a little bit here what do you think it was that made apple cave no i wanted to have more fun with it luke you did ah you ruined it i

was gonna talk about honestly i thought i thought with the like 14 second delay that the lineup was gonna happen oh well okay i was going to talk about some of the ways that certain other parties have tried to put pressure on apple to adopt rich communication i think the s is for service but rcs message or rich communication messaging standard whatever it is rcs um for example i remember one year at ces i think it was there were little like text messages from Google to Apple or something like that asking why they used outdated SMS still on the iPhone. I know Google has put a ton of pressure on Apple to adopt RCS. I suspect, although I don't know for sure,

that the mobile carriers in the major markets have probably maybe not put pressure on apple but asked respectfully for them to adopt rcs because these legacy sms messaging or i shouldn't say messaging service because sms is short for short messaging service uh but this this legacy sms stuff sucks uh encryption is not supported group chats suck uh just about everything about sms kind of sucks and mms isn't much better um but it's been very obvious to anyone with two brain cells to run together to rub together to rub to you got there no i'm fine i'm good uh it's been obvious to anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together that apple's main motivation for keeping iMessage and all of those extra nice things about messaging from an iphone to an iphone exclusive

to the iphone has been all about keeping you locked into the ecosystem, which I don't think we have to rehash how perplexed all of that makes me. I've never understood it. The color of a bubble has never mattered to me. The idea of being reliant on my default SMS app for something like a group message or sending more complex emojis or sharing media is just, again, it's utterly bewildering to me. Like I have over half a dozen messaging apps on my phone and that doesn't bother me. I don't know.

Some people seem to really, really struggle with it, but it doesn't bother me at all. really struggle with it but i it doesn't bother me at all um but for some reason this has been a major consideration for people to not only stay on the iphone but buy iphones like in some cases for other members of their families um so anyway the last major party putting pressure on them yes was the european union thank you luke for spoiling the punchline no problem in other news that's actually kind of a bigger deal to me actually hold on first let's talk about the benefits of rcs um it can work over mobile data or wi-fi which is super cool it would allow for cross-platform use of iMessage style features and calling these iMessage features is ridiculous so i'm just going to call them messaging app features, like read receipts, typing indicators, and higher-quality images.

That's super cool. Apple has previously criticized RCS as less secure than iMessage because it doesn't include end-to-end encryption. iPhone RCS messages might also route through Google's servers because of Google's deal with phone carriers. Okay, that's interesting. Which means that there is a solid possibility, nay, probability, that Android bubbles would remain green. So this is not exactly, you know, the kumbaya, you know, everything is completely interoperable moment that some people might be hoping that it is.

completely interoperable moment that some people might be hoping that it is but at the very least you're not going to be stuck using 1998 technology when you're texting to your friend on an iphone could that mean it says iphone rcs messages might route through google service could that mean that some if not all iphone bubbles could be green? No. Are you sure? Because if they're getting around it by sending them through Apple servers to make them blue, this is literally just the inverse.

No, no, no, no. Okay, so the reason it would be is because it's not coming straight Apple to Apple across only their own infrastructure. As soon as it goes out to someone else's infrastructure, my understanding is it wouldn't be blue, probably. Like, for example, when you're messaging from one iPhone to another,

and this came up a lot more years ago, like back when I had my iPhone 4, occasionally I would be messaging to another iPhone user, and the bubble would be green, and that would be because it was sent as an SMS so if I didn't have data reception but I did have cellular reception you could still send a message but it would it would show up as a as a green bubble so I don't know if they like patched that or if it's just way less likely these days to be in range of cellular, but out of range of data. Like I think that's probably, I don't remember the last time I had solid cellular reception such that I could send messages

and make calls, but I had no data connection. But I've definitely seen that before. Anyway, the bigger news in my mind is that Apple, and as part of this same push from the EU, is required to allow sideloading by next year. And according to leaks, financial filings from Apple, as well as code found in iOS 17.2 beta, Apple is preparing to allow sideloading on iPhones well before that deadline happens, though they are still appealing iMessage and the App Store's designations as gatekeeper platforms. Man, sideloading on the iPhone. Are you ready to go iPhone, Luke? I mean, you just bought an Android phone like a pleb.

Don't you feel like an idiot now? Well, I felt like an idiot for a while after I first got it because I didn't really like the phone. And now, honestly, every single time I pick up my 4A 5G, I'm like, wow, yep, I wish it was this still. So I don't know how I feel about my phone right now even. But honestly, the thing that kept me from going iPhone was more there was cost and just the annoyance of learning a new thing because like I need my phone to do so little these days that I just don't really care. But I'm not, I'm not completely against switching. It was fairly close.

I was looking into iPhones and I could see myself on an iPhone in the future. There's really very little keeping me on on android these days um so yeah i don't know maybe we'll see we'll see how many more buttons the eu pushes so i think it's time to talk about my ai pin oh? I ordered one. Is this in the doc or are you just chatting? No, I'm just chatting. I'm like a Twitch stream right now. I'm in a hot tub. Do you need me to change the title on Twitch? I'm in a hot tub chatting.

No, you don't need to change the title on Twitch, Dan. Thank you very much. That's very helpful. When does it arrive? I don't know. I mean, does it matter? Stupid. I mean, does it matter? Stupid. I spent $700 on this. Are you f***ing kidding me?

Yeah. Familiar gestures. Like, what? So hold on a second. Do I need two whole a** hands to touch this thing And also project onto my hand Are you kidding me What's he looking at What is he looking at

You don't always have to project No I know you don't you can just talk to it And it can just What's the best finish for paint Eggshell you idiot I don't know. Is that really? How much is a vintage?

Oh, man. This is cringe, dude. I haven't even looked at their marketing for this thing. I'm so excited for you to check it out. I love that this baby is not immediately grabbing this and ripping it off her shirt. Because anyone who's ever had a baby knows that that's the first thing it would do. And I believe it would go flying because I think it's just magnetically held on, right? Nice.

The battery goes on the inside, I think. Nice. So the battery would then fall down inside of your shirt and the front of it would go flying wait hold on no no hold on a second luke oh okay no i think i get it so what my uber eats order arrives and then instead of getting the notification on my phone or on my smartwatch i project it to my hand yeah yeah yeah brilliant that was it that was the light bulb moment for me i get it aren't you gonna have to like move your hand around out in front of you to like find where it's projecting as well you're just gonna kind of and like you would be standing there

waving your hand around they invented the smart watch but you're gonna put it i'm just gonna read my text it's blurry oh so uh you know it used to be that we had smart watches, right? Like your Apple Watch or your Pixel Watch or whatever else. And then we had dumb watches, which were ones that didn't have connectivity and they just had a traditional movement. But I think what we're going to have to do is change these classifications, right? You're going to have your smart watch, right, with your Wi-Fi connection and it's on your wrist and everything. You're going to have your traditional watch or your mechanical your movement watch okay and then you're gonna have your dumb watch which is basically like this f***ing thing

you gotta you gotta you gotta hold off until you actually have it you gotta hold off a little bit he's just he's just frustrated because now he's actually spent money on it i know i didn't care it could just be stupid all at once over in its stupid little corner before i had to spend money on it yeah yeah i could i can tell it's it's a little bit harder with delay and not being able to you know judge body language all that much but this is this is financial pain um because now he's frustrated with the purchase look guys look look look look look look i've seen a lot of mischaracterizations about my relationship with money over the last couple of months um there's been a lot of misunderstanding i have no problem spending money. I will spend money in a way that is wise and justifiable

day after day, week after week, year after year. You bring me a good business case for why we should spend some money, let's spend some f***ing money. Let's go. No problem. We reinvest in this business hard. Look at the lab. I don't like wasting money.

Yeah. It's not a waste. It's for a video. It's content. It's content. No, but I'm not the only one buying it. I'm going to make a video. Sure. I'm going to get a return on my investment. That's the point, man. Someone else is going to buy this.

They're going to buy garbage. Okay. Why don't we just list garbage? There's two options here. BuyMyGarbage.com. Does that exist? Potentially, it's amazing in your garage. I'm going to have a billion-dollar valuation.

BuyMyActualFuckingGarbage.com. Isn't that what Sweden does? And they incinerate it, and that's how they generate power? Oh, it redirects to eBay. maybe they're i'm i thought you're gonna say ikea no no it's available it's a premium domain by my garbage.com that's actually really funny um okay so yeah there's there's two there's two paths forward either it's somehow amazing and then people buy it amazing or sure maybe more likely whatever it's trash and then you would you would help to stop future purchases right isn't that the whole point isn't that the whole i love

that to start my buymygarbage.com e-tail site, I would have to buy their garbage domain. Look, I'm sorry you invested in this, but nobody's buying that for like $12,000 US. It's not happening. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Oh, we should have started on this topic i got i'm i'm i'm feeling good

i haven't laughed that hard in a while by the way you should do an eye switched with it you should use it for 30 days i will not i've suffered enough luke oh make it make vance use it for a month i know i would never that's cruel and unusual punishment what did vance do wrong well can't you have both of them no i mean he would torture it by interacting with it in front of you i will i will use it as an accessory it'll be it'll be an accessory to my otherwise properly functional phone is it not an accessory? I will use it. Look. Hey, hey, look, look, look, look, look. Here's all my notes on the LG

wing it out the window. Yeah, but you had to use that. You moved your SIM over, didn't you? I did. How is Google Docs so useless? When we did the Linux challenge, he just didn't use his computer. ... when we did like the linux challenge he just didn't use his computer see i got good notes i got notes on the wing those are all point form i've got a few little videos i took of it just like glitching the crap out in terms of the i have this one that i recorded

just like on my because i have to carry two phones in case i actually need to get anything done and the wing just isn't working but i've got this great one where i took a video of the wing in my hand where i can pull down the notification shade but absolutely everything else fails to register anything it's freaking awesome you should totally buy a phone from a company that exited the phone market years ago strong recommend let's go yeah that's a little rough next topic are we doing merch messages yet i feel like we're overdue yeah hit me dan okay let's see what do we got hello d DLL, with the new Steam Deck OLED out,

do you think it's better to buy a used LCD model or to spend the extra money on the OLED? I don't already own one. Ooh, man, it's so personal. So hold on, let's, first, first things first, you know, I don't wanna speculate here. Let's see what Steam Deck non-OLEDs are going for here, okay? Here's a 512 for 400 bucks.

I'm going to ignore shipping because that's because they're shipping to Canada. I will assume you're probably American given about 40% of our audiences. What's that now? It says adult owned in the listing for that top one. Oh, wow. Okay. adult owned um all right i don't know if that's good i don't like that careless adults so i don't that makes yeah i'm not sure that that's a positive i i'm a little i know adults that would drop themselves down the stairs let alone a steam deck doesn't have a web browser, too?

Steam Deck, one terabyte SSD. Is that just the SSD? Oh, no, this is an auction. Okay, this is an auction. I'm going to change it to buy it now only. Hello, buddy? Oh, okay, did I open that in a new tab? Oh, wow, the limited edition? This guy wants

$1,200. What? Okay, I'm going to change it to buy it now only buy it now here we go let's shop okay 64 gig upgraded to 512 i would take that over the 512 for sure 320 bucks for 256 given how cheap ssds are I don't mind this deal either. If you can get like, you know, 10 bucks or 15 bucks for your 256 gig SSD on Facebook Marketplace, you throw that into like a 1 terabyte SSD, put that in there. 300 bucks! Hey! Not bad.

From Canada. Nice. At that price? Maybe it's kid-owned. Boy, is that ever appealing. Because see, here's the thing, right guys? Is the new steam deck is not um is not shipping at every price point so if we go to if we go to valve site here if you're buying something for 300 oh, how do I get to the U.S. pricing? Dang it. Valve makes this really difficult. Oh?

No. Yeah, just language. I don't get to pick a different region. So I forget what the stupid U.S. pricing is because I can't access it. Gah! USD. Oh, hey, yeah, here it is. Here we go, here we go, here we go.

Okay, so the steam oled is available 512 gigs for 549 so the entry level one right the the 400 one is still the old lcd version so we're talking about a difference of you know if it's 300 bucks for a used last gen steam deck there's not going to be any used oleds and if there are they're probably going to be selling at an elevated price as opposed to a discounted price so we could be talking nearly double the amount for the upgraded screen the upgraded haptics i mean they upgraded basically everything the better power better battery life oh man better battery life. Oh, man.

Better battery life. That is a big deal. If you're planning to play, you know, mostly within range of an outlet, I would say, yeah, there's a strong argument to be made for the older one. Actually, in any case, there's a strong argument to be made for the older one. But if you are going to be often away from the wall, where you are not going to be able to easily plug in, and battery life matters a lot to you, I think it's worth the extra even ignoring the awesome new screen and it oh man it's so good it's absolutely incredible

yeah and like the the oled immediately sold out right so like i don't think you're gonna be able to get it easily for a long time anyways oh yeah i wonder what the lead times are like do they even provide an estimate oh yeah no hold on a second look at this estimated delivery three to five business days boys i'm i guess they were ready this time they've probably been producing these for weeks or months getting stocked together so that they could have a launch that's not just a cluster of scalping my friend must be confused then he's like i can't believe i missed it i tried to buy it i couldn't get it oh they might be talking about the limited edition clear one. That's definitely what they're talking about.

Yeah, because those... I thought the one-terabyte OLED and that were the same. Those are getting scalped hard. How limited edition is that? Very. Like, is it completely gone? Oh, yeah. I think Jake got one. Okay.

Nice. Yeah, super cool. It's limited enough that they weren't even willing to send out any samples of them even if we returned it they were like no we we really don't have a lot of these so yeah people are people are wanting like a few hundred bucks uplift for these things um and i think people are going to go for it especially knowing that valve is probably not going to do a like a steam deck two like a big hardware refresh for probably another year or two at least. Yeah.

Oh, Limited Edition is still one to two weeks shipping. I didn't see it. Let's have a look here. Steam Deck Limited Edition. Let's see if uh if it's available limited it no way estimated delivery one to two weeks you can still get them okay well wow what makes people think they're gonna be able to scalp this thing is it still available in the u.s maybe this is just a canadian thing oh it's on its own page oh no buymyactualfuckinggarbage.com goes to lttstore.com now apparently hell yeah

let's go gotta be careful with calling out domains like that because people could redirect it oh yeah yeah guys no guarantee it'll still go there at any point or that there isn't any kind of bad things happening with it or anything like that oh it's because people want it outside of the u.s and canada that's why

and valve hasn't made it available in many parts of the world yet so that's what these ebay sellers are counting on okay that makes sense i wonder how many to let me buy then kidding kidding kidding everybody relax luke i'm pretty sure i could feel your butthole clench from here How many to let me buy then? Kidding, kidding, kidding. Everybody relax. Luke, I'm pretty sure I could feel your butthole clench from here. Across an ocean. Linus, why did the stream go down? There's men outside. You know what's kind of crazy?

Yeah. It won't let me do it at all because I'm in Japan right now. I even tried to buy it like through my desktop application of Steam, but it redirects me to I understand the desktop application is just loading web pages. But it redirects me to like a browser, external browser web page if I wanted to try to get that one. And I can't it like forgets that i'm uh yes rickett does an account and it won't let me buy it that's wild all right man now i'm tempted should i get one wait did you try to buy one i was i was seeing what would happen on this end.

But no, I didn't try to buy one. Oh, okay, okay. I thought you were finally ready. Finally ready for a Steam Deck because I thought we had talked about it and you said you still weren't going to go for it. It would have been pretty nice on the plane, man. It would have, but you know what I did?

Played Final Fantasy VI on your laptop? Read a book? I just slept. Slept. I slept. Oh, wow. You're getting old, dude. Yep.

Yep. Look how old and boring you are. Yep. Look at these arms. Pinner. I'm trying, man. Yeah. I'm working on it.

They're weak, dude. Look at this, though. Four hands. Even my arms are bigger. Oh. No, they're about the same uh all right dan hit me with another merch message sure but i don't know what that what we just did and what is this and what is a merch message um i'm not sure which one it was

no i mean uh you're supposed to explain you gotta what they are. I wonder if I'm the one getting the brain leg now, Luke. Merch messages. They're the way to interact with the show. Don't use Twitch bits. Don't use a whatever the thing is called on YouTube. Super chat. Yeah, thanks, Dan. You want a merch message because you get to interact with the show.

You can have your message show up here. It might be replied to by producer Dan. Look at that. Look at that helpful reply. Maybe. Wow, great job, producer Dan. It might be forwarded to someone internally who can help you out,

or it might be curated so that Luke and I can talk about it on the show, just like the one that you guys just heard. How to send a merch message, you might ask. Well, you go to lttstore.com, throw something in your cart, and right there you're going to see a little box. You just fill out your merch message you might ask? Well you go to lttstore.com Throw something in your cart And right there you're going to see a little box You just fill out your merch message in there

And then place your order And we will get to it in due course Or we won't And then hey Sorry about that But at least you got some high quality merchandise in the mail Speaking of high quality merchandise for the store We do have a few updates that you guys might

want to consider if you were thinking of sending a merch message this week. Starting of course, with our sexy fruit underwear! Kind of old news now, but inspired by the hack back in March, we have launched, that's right my friends, strawberry

underwear! Ah, they're so cute! Ah! We also, to complete the collection, launched our... Oh, this is still strawberry. What is he holding? Okay, sure, it's a weight. It's not a hanging, dangling, grey ball. We also launched, to accompany our strawberry underwear, eggplant.

Which is not about making you feel inadequate. It's just a color. And peach. This is great. This is a great shot of Jamie. That's funny. We both went for the coffee cup with the peach. Hey, look at that.

I found that Fortnite character's cake. Hey, look at that. I found that Fortnite character's cake. Hey, there it is. Good find. Yeah, they look and feel exactly as good as our underwear does, which guys, I don't write the

reviews. They're really, really well reviewed. And get this, it gets even better they are available in his and her styles so you can get the scoop bralette and the boy shorts uh oh wait where are the boy shorts oh yeah here they are so these are available in oh i think it's just strawberry for the women's so you can get a his and hers matching set of the uh the strawberry uh underwear pretty cool so we've got the bikini bottoms and triangle top and then we've also got the uh scoop top and then the boy shorts bottoms there you go sick love it uh oh and there's more. We launched our new RGB Roken T-shirt.

The story here is a little bit long, but I'll try to keep it short. This special deal for this shirt was the result of an error in production, where our factory made a mistake with the material request. So rather than letting it all go to waste, we decided to turn it into an opportunity for our amazing customers to get a really good shirt for a really good price, even if it's not exactly what it was supposed to be. Honestly, if we were launching the RGB shirt today,

I would probably have no issue launching it like this, but it isn't quite as comfortable as the as the white one that we have and so knowing that and knowing that people were probably already going to own that one in some cases and then go and order this one because they like it so much i was worried that people would get the new one, realize it wasn't quite as perfectly soft and amazing to wear and then be upset because you can see this is one of our best reviewed garments on the site. It's a five star garment. So this new one is pretty much the same dealio where it's got the these little these little flex, these little neps in it. but the difference is that it is on a blue base color

and what happened was the supplier made the executive decision to change the material in order to achieve our color objectives a little bit better but they didn't ask us and we would have said no don't do that we are we would rather have the feel be exactly the same so it doesn't really show up much in the in the uh in these pictures so it's like it's kind of hard to see in person it is very noticeable that there's kind of a cool little sort of starry night we call it rgb i don't know whatever you want to call it there's there's a very cool little effect um also holy smokes new, new RGB knit sweater. Oh, right. So the, the RGB Roken shirt is only $10.

That is, if I do say so myself, an absolutely killer deal for a shirt that is almost that other five-star one, but in blue and ever so slightly different. Man, we have a ton of stuff on the store right now. Okay, I promise I will get through this as fast as I can. We also have a sweater in a similar style, but obviously it's a sweater. So it's quite a bit heavier. It's meant for your sweating comfort.

Here we go. There you go. You can see kind of what it looks like, kind of get an idea of the texture. That one's $39.99. Perfect for Christmas parties or just generally wearing when you want to look, you know, kind of nice and, you know, presentable. And finally, oh, wow, look at this. Hey, we made a Christmas ornament.

That's cool. What's the deal with the Christmas ornament? Is it in the bonus bin? I guess it's probably in the bonus bin. Yeah, I think you can, you can also buy it if you really want, probably, but, uh, place any order and you can get one of these in the bonus. Look, it's a little GPU and you can hang it from your tree oh what is he doing what is who is he talking to room service oh oh my goodness what what is happening right now um okay and i promise this is the last thing we have our sign up form for our black friday cyber monday email list we already have thousands and thousands of signups, but there's still time. So if you want the best chance of taking advantage of our daily deals while they're here,

make sure you register. It's lttstore.com slash pages slash BFCM. We are not going to spam you. You are not joining our newsletter mailing list, even if at some point you should probably do that because we're going to have a bunch of really good newsletters at some point once we get into like a uh a firmer release cadence for them uh you will just get these deals and it will be awesome and i think you will probably like it okay there dan i explained

what merch messages are are you happy you asked now yes that's my job to make you do that okay next merch message i recently got hired at Light Structures. That's not really a question. Okay, I'll just rewrite this. I was wondering if you guys ever heard about optical cables being used this way. It doesn't make sense without context, does it, Linus? They monitor, wait, optical sensors

to monitor the hull stress on ships what so what that like if it flexes a little bit you would be able to the light frequency would change because it moves slightly right so the wavelengths would be different yeah that's very cool makes sense wow that's super cool no i've never seen that before fiber optic whole stress monitoring system whole fib it gives a warning when stress and bending moment levels and acceleration of ship motion approach levels which require corrective action such as escaping the area reducing the speed or changing the heading of the vessel super cool no never heard of that before but i love it um dan want to give me one more yeah sure um linus would you ever consider writing a book about ltd uh after you have retired yeah i've already started it sort of but i'm not nearly on the ball enough to keep up with my notes so it would likely be less about ltt and more just

some general ramblings that i throw at a page and if anyone buys it then great because realistically i'm not going anywhere until i've um until i'm in a position where i just don't need any more money anymore anyway um which even though i would be fine today, I'm not quite there yet because I have a badminton center and a lab to pay for. So I'm still, I'm still highly motivated to, to, to, to,

to crush it over here. But yeah, at that point I feel like I would, the only reason I would write something is just because I felt like it and I wouldn't want to write something because I had to sell a bunch of copies i think i feel like that would i feel like that would kind of ruin it don't worry i'd only write good things about you luke i don't know about you dan i wouldn't expect nice things i don't think that's true i would write nice things about Dan. Don't patronize me, you two. Because if I didn't,

I'm pretty sure the audience would lynch me. No, it would be lawsuits. I'm pretty sure they... I did way worse things than he said. Gotta love that transpacific delay right there that's that's not his brain leg that's uh that's that's fiber optic cable leg his his his hull is uh on the verge of breaking all right additional topic yeah what do you want to talk about next luke uh tesla bans reselling cyber trucks howcks. How about that one?

It's pretty juicy. It's juicy. Sure. I think it's funny and really dumb. But yeah, Tesla has added a clause to its motor vehicle order agreements that prohibits Cybertruck buyers from selling the vehicle within a year of its delivery date. of its delivery date. Tesla may otherwise seek injunctive relief to prevent the transfer of title of the vehicle or demand liquidated damages from the end user in the amount of $50,000 or the value received as consideration for the sale or transfer, whichever is greater. Wow. The new policy also says that Tesla may unilaterally cancel orders they believe were made for the purpose of reselling.

Which is funny. I know people now that have pre-orders on the Cybertruck that are entirely planning on reselling it. And we're planning on reselling it from the beginning. So that will be interesting. Buyers who run into unforeseen circumstances and must sell the vehicle have the option of selling it back to Tesla, discounted by 25 cents for every mile driven. That actually seems maybe reasonable. Not bad at all. Yeah.

If Tesla agrees that the reason is valid, Tesla may also decline to buy the vehicle and provide the buyer written permission to sell it to a third party. vehicle and provide the buyer written permission to sell it to a third party. So our discussion question here is, is this a reasonable manner to curb scalping on a product where that's obviously a concern? I also, I mean, look, Luke, how many friends do you think I have in the world? One. I mean, that uh you're you're not you're not that unique oh you probably meant yvonne oh that hurts ouch my point is i don't have a lot of friends i was even going after myself and he had he had to twist um i know people who have cyber truck pre-orders and it's for the express purpose of reselling them

um so with that in mind knowing that this is this is a product that people intend to resell and that like kind of the market for and the perceived value of um is is this actually kind of reasonable handyman's posting that they might have already removed the clause um i i don't know i i like the idea of hurting the scalping market scalping in modern years has been actually ridiculous um like scalping combined with uh user level extreme sales on the internet um has been a very very negative reality for uh markets in general but i think any company coming in and telling you what you can and cannot do with something after you purchase it is something that I'm always going to push back against. It's something that happens all the time. Yep. Uh, this is not,

this is not a unique scenario. Uh, but I, I, I, I don't think I can agree with it pretty much ever. So it is what it is. Yep. I think that summarizes how I felt about it and probably how a lot of people felt about it based on that. This article from road and track.com says that as of yesterday it looks like is that a six or a five two days ago wow that is the worst font ever uh through through the stream i can't see that tiny one pixel gap here but it's it's a five um since two days ago um effective two days ago tesla has apparently removed the anti-flipping clause so feel free to flip your cyber truck to your heart's content

sounds good i don't actually have an order in for one but i do i wish i did no not really I don't think I need that hassle the the at least in Canada anyway the the tax burden of buying a vehicle and flipping it is a big part of the reason we didn't end up doing that whole concept that I laid out where I was just going to buy cars to review and then the only cost to me would have been whatever I eat on the you know few kilometers I drive on it when we resell the thing, hopefully to someone in the audience after the review or something like that. I had this whole thing kind of worked out in my head. But the tax man, the tax man wants a piece every time. The tax man cometh.

Yep, and that was going to just kill, kill the cost of it. It would have been brutal. All right. Oh, small update on Ariana's zappy power supplies. Many commenters were concerned that we didn't address the potential electrical hazard of that sign power supply for the bunny faux neon sign that Ariana had in her tech upgrade. And they were worried that the bunnies would get electrocuted or something like that but rest assured this was addressed well before we posted the video not everything for these tech upgrades happens on the day of the shoot we shoot them in one day

but sometimes prep happens sometimes post cleanup happens and we do our best to make sure the bulk of it happens on the day of the shoot so you guys get to be along for the ride but not always every little thing yeah what what do you know what was done because some people in chat are saying it was one piece of masking tape no i don't remember in the video yeah we just put a temporary measure i think it was just a piece of tape but no yeah they probably 3d printed something or something i don't know exactly what they did but someone someone's someone clever and responsible did something presumably i i didn't ask for the details it wasn't elijah don't worry

uh do you want to pick a topic do you want to um don't you go ahead you go ahead i was going to suggest one but i i offered i offered to let you pick one first uh amazon to sell cars sure amazon amazon has announced oh the delay the delay oh no uh-oh. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. Amazon has announced a partnership. Oh, okay. Okay, I did that on purpose.

Who goes now? I don't know what to do. You do it. Okay. Amazon. I was just going to wait. Okay. Amazon. I was just going to wait.

Amazon has announced a partnership with Hyundai, where Alexa will be available through Hyundai infotainment systems starting in 2025, and Hyundai dealerships will be able to sell vehicles on Amazon. Buyers will then have the option to have the car picked up from the dealership or delivered to them. Most surveys show that consumers dislike car shopping, particularly the dealership experience. But 48 states limit direct-to-consumer sales of vehicles because, yes, my friends, that's how powerful lobbying is. Isn't that great? Tesla has popularized the idea of direct-to-consumer sales,

but it has also faced lawsuits in multiple jurisdictions attempting to bar it from selling cars. Most dealers do already sell cars through their own websites, but at least here, I don't have a lot of experience with this in America land, but here, getting it delivered is a bit of a hassle like there's red tape to to jump through and it's it's not a seamless experience like you would expect ordering something on amazon to be i mean is this the kind of thing we have to test out luke should i buy a hyundai in america just so that i can have it delivered to me like i don't

i don't think so because there's there's been other buy a car over the internet services before so like i'm sure amazon can do it um yeah people are talking about carvana yeah i've never heard of that was like really yeah i mean i don't know man how often do you think i buy a car i don't know oh is no they're not uh yeah but they're not gone carvana i'm pretty sure carvana's dead no public company still around yeah revenue of 13.6 billion as of uh 2022 they went public in 2017 i thought i heard it went bad maybe their stock just crashed super hard maybe that was it

hmm interesting carvana stock yeah someone's's saying Carvana is used cars. Yeah, look at Google Carvana stock, and then look at the five-year chart. Woo! What a ride! Let's go! Yeah. Okay, that's pretty rough.

Wow. Sorry to all the bag holders who bought at $360 a share. Wow. Wow. They dipped to $7. Recovered to $47. They dipped lower than that, actually. Really?

Oh, wow. Yeah, there it is. $4. $4. Yeah, $4 405 is the lowest i've seen that's rough was the fastest growing car dealer in the united states known for its multi-story glass tower car vending machines got it got it got it got it got it so they this this is this is a pandemic boom thing then looking at the the timing here. Yep, that makes sense. All right, cool.

Yeah, the used car market is looking a little rougher. There's a lot of, man, a ton of sectors that just schwump, shot up during the COVID lockdowns and then just are having a really hard time since then. I mean, the pc industry has been struggling um oh yeah don't don't ask how i know but uh apparently sales of computers are struggling a lot like down double digit percent year over year over year since uh since the peak in like 2020 2021

all right the one i wanted to talk about was the PlayStation Portal. Ah. We shot what? Okay. Oh, I've just seen stuff online that looks rough. I haven't, I haven't actually used it. You know what? I would love to hear what you have gathered about it based on community sentiment.

And then I would like to share my own experience having used it and worked on a review for it, which will be coming out probably in the next few days. Cool. So as I say this, I've heard genuinely nothing from Linus or anyone else at Linus Media Group. All I've seen is just some random stuff on the internet from other users. And what I've gathered is that- He's been the last week just looking at the tops of people's heads. So he doesn't know anything.

Pretty much, to be honest. But yeah, what I've seen so far is laggy mess, basically. That's it. Just clips of people trying to play Horizon and having it just chug over and over again um other various games where it's very very laggy and it it doesn't seem like they're using it in super wild scenarios like most of these things is someone sitting on a couch um so like it doesn't feel like they're putting it in a disadvantageous position or anything so yeah my takeaway was just

rough reviews are out for the playstation portal the portable device that allows wi-fi remote play connected to a playstation 5 and only a playstation 5 many reviewers spoke highly of the play experience while others criticized the concept of a single-purpose portable, especially one that lacks a web browser, making it impossible to use with public Wi-Fi that has any kind of verification on it or authentication. It also cannot connect to Bluetooth headphones, meaning that users who want wireless audio will have to pay over $100 for PlayStation Pulse earbuds or headphones when they come out in the coming months. Nevertheless, many have defended the Portal as a great dad device,

allowing them to allow their roommates or children to have the TV without giving up on gaming time. The Portal has been quickly selling out, with some scalpers selling it for over double its MSRP. Does any of that change how you feel about it at all? I want to know what the audience thinks of this too. Hold on, I'm going to do a poll here. Poll time!

As far as I can tell, if something has the PlayStation brand on it, it's going to be sold out and scalped to all hell for a pretty significant period of time um i don't know maybe maybe uh playstation needs to try to poach somebody from valve so they can figure out um pre-making enough stock of things before they launch it i'm not sure yeah these are going for around 300 bucks. It looks so like, yeah, here's 14 bids, 15 minutes left, a little over $300 for a PlayStation Portal.

Ship's next business day in hand. That is over $100 higher than the MSRP for this thing, which is $199. So, oh man, how do I do this? My review is largely quite positive. Oh, interesting. That's cool to hear. I am not thrilled about the lack of Bluetooth.

I hope that Sony will backpedal on that there should be nothing that would prevent them from making bluetooth work in the future i'm not aware of any modern wi-fi uh wi-fi chipset that doesn't also handle bluetooth so the fact that it has wi-fi at all means it has bluetooth um so i would i would like to see them address that. There are some other things that I'm not super happy about. I think the battery life could have been improved. However, however, however, however, the thing that I think a lot of people are overlooking here,

shoot, I missed the results of that poll. What happened to it? Doesn't it normally stay in the chat until I dismiss it? Did someone dismiss it? Okay, well, I missed it. They have durations. It might have expired. Okay, cool.

But it's in the... Wait, the PlayStation Portal one? Yeah. I think you just shrank it. No, I didn't. I didn't do anything. Okay, well, results are four percent of people said yes 35 percent of people said meh and 61 percent of people said no but you're talking to a pc audience yeah that's true okay so hear me out at 200 a bunch of these knows sorry to Like, a bunch of these no's, sorry to interrupt,

but a bunch of these no's are probably people that don't even own PlayStation, so why would they buy the portable thing? Okay, but I didn't ask, would you buy? I just said PlayStation Portal. You know? I know, but... Yes, no? Okay, anyway. You know how people answer this stuff. That's true.

The point is, I think if we consider the functionality, it's pretty compelling obviously you could get a backbone for your phone that's something we talk about you just get like a little controller for your phone but it's not going to have nearly the ergonomics of the portal it feels like a dual sense controller which it is because it basically is it's a dual sense controller with a with an eightinch screen in the middle. That's another major factor. That screen is way bigger than what you're going to have on almost any phone.

I think that for the functionality, if you're the kind of person who would use it, it's a pretty good price. It's extremely easy to use and if you have good wi-fi we found it worked pretty reliably the other major justification for it is that how what like what would you have wanted them to do i guess would be my my follow-up question if they had opened it up i think there would have been a strong business case for needing the price to be higher.

Because all of a sudden, you'd have people buying this thing just to stream their PC games or their Xbox or whatever the case may be, or watch movies or whatever. And they would have to actually make money on it to make this make any sense on their balance sheet. Instead, they took a very console-like approach to it.

And we break it down in the video. For $200, it's a lot of hardware. You are getting a DualSense controller. You are getting a battery. You are getting a mid-tier Qualcomm SoC. You are getting an 8-inch screen. You're getting Wi-Fi, storage, RAM. You're getting presumably some kind of margin for sony's retail partners that they have to distribute these things through how could they have possibly gone any tighter on the margins for this two hundred dollars is a really compelling price it's a lot of money two hundred dollars is a freaking lot of money for an accessory for a $450 device right like if you told me hey here's an accessory for your you know $50,000 car it costs 25 grand I'd be sitting

here going are you like are you kidding me right like that doesn't make any sense so this is obviously a very expensive accessory but as someone who used game streaming a lot on a device that frankly didn't have much utility outside of just streaming from my pc the nvidia shield portable the original one the little clamshell like game controller with a screen on it one um i loved and if i recall correctly it was actually priced higher than this, and other than playing some basic Android games, which if you guys remember at the time, didn't really exist with proper controller support.

There was almost nothing, right? So aside from playing some Android games, the only thing it did was stream from your PC, and in my mind, this is the same thing, but a really smooth setup experience. Like, it's normie-proof. It's actually a very friendly setup experience. And for PlayStation.

Yeah, I think, just off the top of my head, like, USD, I think a PlayStation DualSense controller is like 60 bucks so there's like a huge portion of your cost right there oh that was terrible please don't do that oh sorry I can't even tell you to turn away from the mic to cough because it's attached to your head everybody get in line everybody turn and cough sorry it's

a lyric from a song oh anyway this one you guys i think dan was was referencing uh chocolate rain not not your old boomer his advice is extremely sound and reasonable yeah so so this one you guys shield portable 16 gigs let's go this thing still costs as much as the stupid portal that's kind of weird actually oh they're like kind of a collector's item or something now i think i saw someone trying to sell a dev kit for like a thousand dollars or something a while ago obviously they weren't going to get that much for it but uh hey it was worth an effort to a collector, worth a try to see if you can find a collector or something.

Yeah, yeah. Next topic. Well, what? Did I convince you of anything? Or do you just still think it's stupid or what? Come on, help me out here. No, I don't think it's stupid necessarily if if it works well like uh if the lagging problem is not a thing um i mean it's a thing you're gonna have

to have good wi-fi like i don't know if you remember this but i bought a ruckus access point because i was having so much trouble with streaming to my shield yeah like you you need a good access point and that doesn't mean an expensive one it's a good one sorry does it support wi-fi 6 no that's another big however however however the difference in the differences between wi-fi 5 and 5 uh wi-fi 5 and wi-fi 6 are not nearly as noticeable to the average consumer as the differences between wi-fi 6 and wi-fi 6e unintuitively well i i it's like it's messed up man why why do they get it why they got to be like that why can't you just have a naming scheme that makes sense who do you think you are usbif like i just i can't um so they're trying to compete the main benefits of wi-fi 6 over wi-fi 5 are to do with large deployments with many clients connected so range and throughput to a single device are are are not markedly different um going from five to six but they are going from

six to six e now that would have been a game changer for this if it supported wi-fi 6e and if you had your playstation wired because remember if your playstation is on wi-fi it's wi-fi 6 right so having 6E on the portal would just be added cost for no reason whatsoever for that use case. But if the PlayStation was wired and you had a Wi-Fi 6E portable device, that would result in a much better streaming experience. But the thing is that wouldn't be $200.

That's the thing that I think a lot of people are missing on the portal, is Sony is not gouging on this thing they are charging as far as i can tell the bare barest minimum that they have to to make this thing make any sense to ship at all because they want to sell more software that's the play here and i just i feel like a lot of people are missing that, and they're just looking at it going, oh, this thing's stupid. It's like, yeah, sure, it's kind of stupid, but at $200, it's allowed to be a little bit stupid.

It's allowed to be more of an appliance in my mind. And I have some hope that it will get hacked. Apparently, it's running Android 13. People are already that far. They figured out what exactly is going on in this thing. So I feel like it's got to be a matter of time before someone jailbreaks it. I, uh, that could be very fun. That could be pretty cool, but I feel like that's probably a big part of why Sony is not putting a web

browser on it. Cause that can be a significant point of ingress for, um, attempts to kind of break into these devices, right? Yeah. And yeah, Mikael says lacking Bluetooth headphone support is not reasonable. You know what?

That is ridiculous. That's fair enough. And I go after that hard in the video. Is there a 3.5 jack yes and the speakers are pretty good so it's not like you don't have other options but not supporting bluetooth audio blows i would yeah i would i would swing at them for the no bluetooth audio as well but having a 3.5 mil jack and having good speakers is like i don't know i would just plug in headphones and i'm pretty upset me that. And I'm pretty upset.

It wouldn't bother me that much personally. I'm pretty upset about the battery life. It's less than half of what the Logitech G Cloud does. And the G Cloud is another example of a streaming first device that I thought was stupid and then ultimately liked, even if it's for different reasons than the PlayStation playstation portal

uh all right is it time to uninstall edge in order to comply in order to comply with the eu digital markets act microsoft will soon allow windows 10 and 11 users in the European Economic Area to uninstall all Windows apps, including Camera, Photos, Edge, and even Bing. Windows will likewise respect apps' default browsers and allow users to choose if they want their Microsoft account to sync data across devices. and allow users to choose if they want their Microsoft account to sync data across devices. So our discussion question here is, so when are you setting your location to Hungary and deleting all of this stuff? Yeah, I wonder how specific they're going to be about detecting if you're on a VPN and undoing stuff if you fall off of it or something like that a q1 william g is

what we're aiming for for the precision go ahead uh but yeah like i i that would be interesting because if if you can just like set your location or vpn out or something like that um oh yeah i would absolutely do that oh my goodness there's no way that this is not going to be possible to spoof it's got to be like someone's going to come up with a pie like yeah it would happen where you just reroute everything from from that machine like it like and like even if you had to go as far as to have another virtual interface or something like that you wouldn't even need another physical interface you would just have to take um like i would imagine it would operate probably similarly to the way that people will alter their um uh which file is it like hostname file or whatever it is when you're trying to go to pirated activation servers you know what i'm talking about right what's that what's that long time what's that stupid i don't. You know what I'm talking about, right? What's that stupid thing?

I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't remember the last time that I tried to pirate Windows. It just doesn't really come up a lot. Now that you can, yeah, hosts file. There you go. So I would imagine that there's something along those lines that someone will figure out

and will be able to just kind of go, yep, I'm finished now. Finished with this ah thanks for acknowledging me that was pretty good uh yeah or it could be a registry change or something like that i'm i'm i'm pretty excited though because i just i don't know why on it. It shouldn't bother me that much. How to uninstall Windows apps. Like, why does it bother me that, you know, I open, I don't know, a PDF or something,

and it opens in the Edge reader because I haven't set it up to open something else on this machine. It's just like, no, I just never actually want to see this application. Jaden brings up a really good point of, where where does this stop company-wise like this just hit Microsoft uh but Jaden specifically said will this apply to Samsung phones too um my goodness this being able to work on phones would be amazing I might actually end up going back to Samsung I really liked Samsung back in like the S3 days um but then a lot of the samsung specific software that you can't get rid of i hate it so much that i like won't go back but if they made it so you could actually get rid of it and you could get it back more towards a stock android experience there's some

samsung phones that are really nice yeah that'd be very i wonder if samsung has a dominant enough position that they would go after them for this. But either way, like good guy EU, I feel like every other week we're talking about something cool that the EU is doing to finally crack down on these tech monopolies and keep them from abusing their position. Like where, what, when did thes government lose their fangs and claws yeah they they slashed microsoft super super super hard they ripped apart at&t slashed microsoft and then just lost all their teeth i don't get it probably because of insane amounts of lobbying i'm assuming from the results of both of those uh moves okay to be clear guys i get it i just am frustrated i know how and why it happened i

just don't like it oh man oh wow all right um hey we don't really have this in the topics but uh oh man uh i think we don't yeah let's just let's just say this um We did allude to it in the pre-show. So Twitter, or sorry, X, I actually have a hard time calling it that, has lost some major sponsors after CEO, or no, he's not CEO anymore, but whatever, owner. Elon Musk expressed agreement with a tweet that some have perceived to be anti-Semitic. And they are losing sponsors like crazy, according to reports. Here's something, though. according to reports. Here's something though, listed among the major sponsors that are pulling out is IBM. When's the last time you ever saw an IBM ad?

I get them. For what? Infrastructure stuff. Okay. Like infrastructure as a service or like hardware or like software. Honestly, I don't really look into them, but I do get IBM ads. Fascinating. IBM is one of those companies that like we did a tech wiki about it. I think even I think it was like, what does IBM actually do? Own more patents than anyone.

Yeah, fair enough um but they're actually another one of the ones that pulled out is another one of those companies that has mostly a consumer slash small business owner i i just i you know i hear about them in the news all the time i know their ceo's name and he's like super famous or rich or whatever but like oracle the f**k does oracle actually do i don't know something yeah oracle's a fun one yeah um but anyway oracle ibm comcast xfinity um apple have oh yeah have uh have basically said yeah no this is uh this is not cool uh media matters posted a screenshot of an Apple ad for a Mac computer and an IBM ad next to a post that included an image of Adolf Hitler and his followers. Yikes.

So advertisers, not super cool with what's going on on ex-formerly Twitter right now. And it looks like whoever helped Musk make this acquisition is probably going to be losing a lot of money sometime in the near future. For my part, I just am not seeing the same kind of engagement on Twitter that we used to. We've had some posts this week that were cross-posting in YouTube community posts, on Instagram, on Twitter, and on those other platforms. They're getting tens of thousands, in some cases nearly 50,000 interactions

from the communities there. And on Twitter, it's just been this slow decline. Like occasionally, we'll still have ones that pop off. Like I think we had a couple in the last week and a half or so that did 10 or 20,000 likes or whatever is luke gone see i told you we should have gone with it he's still in the call his camera's off wait oh no he's back oh hey we're good okay should have had the technical difficulties linus yeah i what i've noticed with with twitter x whatever um is i i haven't really used used it for public communication for a long time.

But I have used it for direct messages to other creators for quite a while. And something that I'm noticing is very slowly but surely over time, I'm either meeting people. Why are you moving him at the same time, Dan? I'm trying to. They're wanting to communicate over over discord or instagram or something else or even just text messages or people that i already communicate to through twitter dms are asking to move to one of those other services um and the amount of times that i'm using twitter dms is slowly decreasing um which is like cool because i don't like twitter but also kind of annoying

because it was centralized on twitter almost entirely like all my communication with other creators was almost entirely on twitter for years was the celebrity like phone book essentially yes like anyone with any kind i don't mean celebrity celebrity i just mean anyone with any kind, I don't mean celebrity, celebrity. I just mean anyone with any kind of public presence, any kind of public creator of any kind was on Twitter. And so, you know, you could be, you could be like, Oh man, you know, it'd be crazy if we did a collab with someone, you know, some, I don't know, some WWE star who's into gaming or whatever. Right. Uh, at the very least you could you could at them and

then if you also had some momentum your community would see that and they'd like ping them like you could it was like uh the ability to nudge just about anyone i don't know if that's kind of fading away i don't know if we're ever gonna get that again instagram instagram i think it still works on but i don't i think not as well um because not everyone's on instagram maybe i better get on instagram nikita you well what are you gonna ask me about later dan oh do you want to be asked about it now sure why not um i believe the retro screwdriver yes and the noctua screwdriver and the precision are they going to be available for christmas when are they coming what can you leak for us not christmas uh uh hold on

now i've said something uh uh uh we should do sponsors yeah hold on i'm finding out uh out of those three the retro is launching first uh i think it's going to be oh i think it's going to be very soon uh should be very very very soon i don't know exactly what day but no there is a chance that you will be able to order one and have it under the tree, but I probably wouldn't guarantee it. I think that's where we're at on that, but.

Oh, that's what he said. Did you say that on stream? Oh, okay. Retro for Christmas, maybe some Noctua for Christmas precision. Definitely not in time for Christmas, but you know what? precision, definitely not in time for Christmas,

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a record for like the most times just like bouncing a ball up and down to yourself off the ground and like i'll look it up in the records like four million times and they didn't sleep and they were like held up by ropes just to like keep alive while they did this and i'm sitting here going oh yeah man no i got no interest in that um no not for the moment thank you though has there ever been a piece of technology that you really liked but were peer pressured into not using it due to society uh also that big and tall when missing out on deals and limited time designs uh big and tall when now we're working on it i know uh what does that mean linus answer the question uh it means that the team is working on it and the last thing that i would want to do

as a good manager is breathe down their neck it'll'll be done when it's done, and when it's done, it'll be great. That's actually a really nice response. Thank you for that. Yep. Everyone just got shut down by the chief vision officer. Why is he so confident? This sucks. Hey, LLD, first WAN show as a floatplane subscriber.

Hey, welcome. If you could have one game series that's been dead for a long time get a sequel what would it be pilot wings that's a pretty good one actually i like that response i played the crap out of pilot wings uh the super nintendo one not the n64 one oh apparently there was one for 3ds okay that i actually didn't know i don't know i want to be what was it did they say reboot sequel sequel yeah pilot wings actually doesn't really it's not really sequel fodder what are they going

to do add more flight instructors like second tony like i i don't yeah i don't really know okay let's let me think let me think let me think maybe something maybe something else fallout new vegas but by the team that made fallout new vegas not bethesda fallout to vegas got them because i'm kind of uh i think i think bethesda lost their credit elijah says portal 3 okay controversial take portal 2 a good sequel not even close to as good as portal 1 yeah i think it's a good sequel though i think it's a different game no it's not it's the same

game that's the problem i had exactly the same problem with portal 2 that i had with zelda tears of the kingdom was like the sense of the sense sense of, I was never, you were never going to be able to recapture that sense of joy and wonder and discovery that the first game had because it was inherently, because it's inherently impossible. It takes place in the exact same environment, effectively.

Different game. Same game. I think they're different games. My favorite part about portal 2 was that you could co-op that's fair but maybe you had friends so i and and i i wanted to play with yvonne but she gets motion sick playing portal when she goes through the portals especially the the like momentum based ones like and puzzles that she she can't she will actually throw up if she tries to play portal yeah i guess two or three more topics uh well hold on we haven't actually figured out a game that needs a sequel yet i want a ps1 game made by square called einhander to have a sequel oh did you ever play that

no that's a it's like a side scrolling shooter but i want a sequel to poi poi it's a good choice did you play poi poi i think so again i'm bad with names so this is poi poi it's like uh it's like a weird isometric sort of top down like arena brawler thing um absolutely not oh yeah no poi poi sick here here here here okay here we go here we go so this is what a typical why am i not able to okay there we go this is what a typical map might look like so here's your characters and you could like pick up rocks and logs and bombs and huck them at each other uh there's a game for android called bomb squad that's actually kind of cool and kind of like this but i don't know poi poi just had this like jank vibe that i always really liked okay oh man dang it it doesn't need a sequel though okay crap um

fine final fantasy tactics needs an actual sequel there all all mine i think are just like i want another game in this line but not made by the company that currently has the rights to make it like i want a halo game not made by 343 right i want a fallout game or a sky or a uh elder scrolls game or a starfield based game at this point not made by bethesda i want like i i that that's most of my desire is the company that currently owns it is not in good graces with me, at least. But games I would throw out for would be probably like Slay the Spire and FTL. I think both of the companies behind those games are trying to move on creatively to other types of things. And I would really like if they just made another version of what they already made. But I understand why they probably just want to move on

because they're very small teams. They're indie teams and they're probably more driven by the creativity of making games than just the money. So they don't want to just cash in on sequels, but I would definitely buy them if they did. What about another starcraft but not by blizzard yeah see like that's that's okay i got i got one uh you love you love anno 1800 whoops that's not the one starcraft but by

the people that did anno oh uh no no no. No? Oh, yeah, no. The Anno developers are fantastic. Yeah, they should make Anno. Yes. They actually made Anno in space, and I think it's widely considered to be one of the worst ones. That's what put me off of Anno. That's where I started.

And you're like, get 1800, and I bought 1800 immediately. Yeah, have you played it? I started. What do you think? And I'm like okay i uh i need to limit myself nice yeah yeah yeah i was immediately taken aback about how like the quality of life stuff for drawing roads and like you can drag to produce buildings in a big grid and it was just yep city skyline step should probably have paid played ano it's like once so good dude and they do such a

good job now with the with the npcs like constantly talking you absolutely crazy second you have six different things you could be doing right now i played it for for maybe 20 minutes 30 minutes something like that and i could just immediately see why you are obsessed with it yeah it's good taste good taste yeah it's so good it's such a good game what if we what if we what if we bring back after party and we do a three-player co-op ano is this going to cut into super checks time? I'm sure we could do both. Well, I mean, I always have some stuff to do after WAN, so you could do super checks while we get set up for that.

Interesting. Here's the problem, though, boys. I don't think you can really do an ANO session that's shorter than a couple of hours and get realistically anything done. So WAN show typically runs for anywhere from three to four hours. Super Checks time is like 45 minutes to an hour at this point

if we do a best of five and Luke actually manages to f***ing win one, which I mean, in fairness, doesn't happen that often. Hey! And then if we add two hours of Anno, we're not going to leave the office till Monday morning we might as well just stay here

well you could go home on Mondays because you don't work and it'll be fine oh man okay yeah I've got people saying Supreme Commander there's definitely some spiritual successors in the works

and i think the forged alliance forever community has actually done a great job of keeping supreme commander relevant uh you know it's it's kind of like how you don't really need a sequel to i don't know what's an example of a game that has kind of stayed um stayed relevant to its core audience even if it's kind of niche okay eve online do you need an eve 2 or has eve evolved evolved enough that it can just still be eve and it can just be forever hasn't played in a long time um so i don't know if i'm the right voice for this but i'm gonna do it anyways um i think eve is fine. Kimo Bob says Super Mario RPG, and I actually wouldn't disagree with that.

The recent remake, which, by the way, looks incredible. I'm actually not buying it just because I, by chance, I replayed Super Mario RPG like two months before the announcement came out. I didn't know i was just like man you know what was awesome super mario rpg i'm gonna play it because um emily saw one at um at willow video actually luke and was like hey i know you love this game um do you want one it's a good price and i was like yeah sure and then it was just sitting on my shelf

staring at me and i was like well i'm obviously i obviously not going to put it in a Super Nintendo to play it because that's just completely backwards at this point. I'm going to play it on something else with an emulator because I have places to be. And so, you know, I wasn't going to play the actual cartridge, but I'm sitting here going, what? I'm going to pay like $150 for this game or whatever it was. I'm not going to play the stupid thing? No, damn no damn it i'm gonna play it so uh so so i played it so i'm seeing how faithful the remake is is both uh really exciting to me because i love that they did that i love that they didn't fuck with it right it was a masterpiece is a masterpiece and if they had gone and like just

arbitrarily changed it i i i think they could have lost what made it so special but then i'm also disappointed because i don't need to play it right now and everyone's all hyped about super mario rpg and i kind of just wish it was super mario rpg too because i i want some new content to enjoy so i um i i do think with how much hype there is around this game uh that it feels likely that they you know might that might be what that developer is already working on or something i don't know i don't actually know who did the adaptation for them or if they're even a nintendo internal team um i think someone knows and posted at some point but i don't know um so i i'd love to see that happen in a nutshell i know the paper mario series is like kind of a spiritual successor to it but yeah new new super mario rpg man that'd be super cool i liked paper mario i played quite a bit of paper mario back in the day

i don't remember what ones but multiple paper mario games i played and enjoyed they were fun uh lucky drive yes um there's a really good multiplayer hockey game it's called slapshot rebound it's free to play it's really fun you don't have to buy any of the cosmetics you can have a really excellent experience without paying for anything uh lots of fun very funky controls uh i wish you luck yeah yeah it's tough but it's fun oh more topics yeah sure we can do that um google sues for dmca abuse google has launched a lawsuit against 22 people that it says weaponized the dCA by creating dozens of fake Google accounts and submitting fraudulent takedown notices against over 100,000 website URLs belonging to their

competitors in the printed t-shirt industry. The notices were typically filed under the names of large organizations like Amazon, the Los Angeles Lakers, and Twitter, as well as famous celebrities like Elon Musk, Taylor Swift, and LeVar Burton. Attacks against big ad buyers led to the loss of millions of dollars in revenue for both the target companies and for Google. Now, I can't say that I'm happy that this is what it took for Google to finally stand up to fraudulent DMCA claims, but I will say that I'm really happy it's happening because if this becomes legal precedent,

then I think that I hope that organizations, particularly ones with money, will think twice before using DMCA claims just to get their way and rip down content that makes them unhappy. Yeah. In other news, Rivian sat on the wrong button this week they sent an ota update that put an estimated three percent of their vehicles infotainment systems out of commission some requiring physical repairs the company accidentally sent out an incorrect update build with the wrong security certificates which stalled before it completed installing rendering the system and the main instrument displays unusable rivian blamed the error on a fat finger and said that they would prioritize addressing the needs of customers that were

impacted by this mistake now our discussion question says how does a company this size end up sending out an update this disastrous accidentally and i will say as the chief vision officer of a company that has made some pretty um egregious blunders in the last calendar year you'd be surprised communication's not easy um and the bigger you get the bigger the chances that you'll have if anything i would say the odds of a bigger company doing this is would say the odds of a bigger company doing this is better than the odds of a small company that's like a tightly knit team that all work together with each other every day um but still it's obvious that they need some some process improvements to ensure that something like this will never happen again? I can pretty much guarantee you

there will at least be process changes as a result of this. Time will tell if they're improvements or not, but somebody is going to want things to change just... To say they changed something. Yeah, exactly. Like something's going to happen. And honestly, I've heard stories from a huge range of developers uh out there of

just horrifying things that have happened at companies that you would never guess um vng supernova says i work for a very large travel company as a software dev i've pushed breaking changes to production multiple times the worst wasn't noticed until 12 hours later. Thanks for your application. Unfortunately, we've decided to go in a different direction, Supernova. Got it. Okay. Man, is that it?

I think that's all our topics. There's one more. It's kind of boring. I'm not interested in it. I think that's all our topics. There's one more. It's kind of boring. I'm not interested in it. I think it's time for Wancho After Dark. Okay. Which is very, very light for me. Oh, right.

It's very, very early in the day. It's, it's 1.22 for me right now. But it's 1's 122 for me right now but it's 122 on saturday right gotta love that international date line yep all right dan we ready to do this thing i think we are i'm uh i'm a little behind so we'll see i am very i wouldn't call you a small ass well that's kind of you uh get it get it i mean i was gonna be a large anyone get it no luke i get no acknowledgement for that i wouldn't call you a small ass? Yeah. He said, I'm a little behind. Ah, okay. I didn't hear the intro.

Okay, that's the brain leg. Yeah. The brain cell had to make it to Japan. Oh, gosh. Where are we? Okay. Yeah, merch messages. Let's see.

Reordering due to my mail being stolen again, but I love the underwear, so worth it. Question. My wife hates my collection of knives and flashlights. What does your significant other despise that you collect? Large expenses. Especially real estate. Oh, yeah, you have too many knives oh linus you bought another building

yeah another another stupid warehouse no but honey it's okay we're gonna put a lab in it i get to buy more expensive stuff because the the things that go in the lab oh they're they're so cool though let. Let me tell you about them. They're amazing. Yeah. Jeez. Hey, DLL, would the performance differences add up to become a large one if you compared a PC with premium SKUs to one with less premium SKUs of the same parts? This is actually a video concept that I've had on the spreadsheet for probably about three or four years. And I forget what the title I have for it is. I'm not just being rude and sitting on my

phone right now. I'm trying to find the topic ideas spreadsheet, but it is not at the top. Here it is. Video idea tracker LTT. You know, know i don't it doesn't matter the point is i'm i have i can explain how the video would work so i wanted to build the suboptimal pc basically kind of like what you described at the same price the worst option right compared to the optimal pc which is at the same price the best option for every component but in order to do this as accurately as possible i need the lab and it's these kinds of video concepts that were the main driver for building out the lab because i wanted to be able to say with confidence hey guys i know that in the grand scheme of things two percent hair and three percent

here on this ram kit or this gpu or uh you know the the the ks version of cpu or you know whatever else the case may be doesn't really ultimately matter but cumulatively with all of the breadth of testing that we can do we think we can guide you to 8% better, you know, whatever, right? And I'm really excited to be able to do that, but it's going to take time. We're still learning a lot. There's growing pains, right? It's a big team and it's growing and we're gaining experience and we're smoothing out our communication and our workflows,

but these things are not things that happen overnight as I think we've all observed and we're going to get there, but we need a little bit more time. Hi, LLD. Last week in Australia, Optus had an outage lasting over seven hours, affecting 10 million customers.

The company says the outage was caused by an international peering network. How would LTT handle this issue? Well, thankfully, we aren't a gigantic ISP, so it's not our problem. I think... You know what he meant. No, don't how would you handle that's way above my pay grade dude how would you handle not having internet for seven hours oh i see if like no one had internet oh well no that's simple because we store the vast majority of our assets on our local network right so if you need to edit a video, you're

going to have everything that you need on the local network, which you don't need internet to access. And then what you would probably do is you would create placeholders for assets that you'll just go get later and put markers on your timeline. That's how the video editors would work. The writers would just have to make, put placeholders in their scripts for things that they're going to have to validate later you figure out later no this is this is absolutely something that we could work around and have worked around we've even uploaded we've even edited and uploaded that day's video in power outages before never mind internet outages we've got this let's go bring it on hello dll luke how has matt suri been so far watching samet and ltc crossover has been entertaining uh it's been awesome actually i i went i went drifting yesterday had some fun

was able to do a linkage where i was i was drifting in one direction and then i pulled it in tight and was able to switch and start drifting the other direction. It was rough, but it, it technically happened. Um, and that wasn't actually technically Matsuri. Matsuri technically started today and I haven't been at it because I have been, uh, gracing the WAN show with my president. Should we let you go soon? I'm sorry, but i'll go when we're done it's fine um but yeah i'll be i'll be going up there everybody else is already up there so i'm probably gonna have to get a taxi which is incredibly expensive here so far i've actually been surprised at how inexpensive many things are but holy try to not take taxis when you're here. Do anything you can to avoid that.

But yeah, I'll be heading up there. And then Matsuri goes like overnight, as far as my understanding goes. So I'll be up there for quite a while. And I'm sure it'll be very fun. I've done a bunch of ride-alongs with Samet, who is very good at drifting and doing what he does. And I think it was yesterday. We were within a foot of someone else's door, like our my door was within a foot of someone else's door while we were going like, I think it was like 60 or 70 miles an hour sideways, which was wild. And then when they correct it out, so they were sliding beside each other, when they corrected out,

the front bumper of our car just barely touched the rear bumper of the other car. But this happened so often. What you're saying is, Sam, it's not very good. No, it was. Why weren't you guys in front? It was sick. No, I'm kidding.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I see. Just drive straight. But they know this is going to happen. So the bumper's only held on by like four zap straps.

So it just like pinged off. We didn't even like feel any impact whatsoever in the car. We were able to retrieve the bumper and get it back on afterwards. And everything was totally fine. But yeah, it's been very, very fun hanging out with Samit and the rest of the people here. And I'll be excited to go back up. Hey, Linus Alexander here from Australia. I've been watching for over 10 years. What's some of the visions you have for LTT in 2024?

The big one is getting the Labs website launched. The big one is getting the labs website launched, getting getting content out, taking advantage of all this testing that we're going to be doing. I want to see LTT move towards, you know, more projects, and less just, you know, reviews of products. But at the same time, so so do those better, but also do a little bit more back to basics product reviews. So right now we do a lot of kind of in between, um, and I want to have kind of a clearer split where, where a big portion of the content is these like projects, extreme, um, and ultimate tech upgrades and stuff like that. And then the other side is some of the more, just like back to reviews of products that that people want to hear about. And I think that one of the struggles we've had is that there's just not as much exciting innovation in the verticals that we have traditionally participated in. Like we used to be able to rely on a GPU launch for millions of views.

And now with, you know, AMD and and nvidia competing with each other to see who can release the biggest turd um it's gotten very challenging right and i think you see this not just with us but with other pc technology centric channels that are either kind of steadily getting about the same views they always did, or even declining as the PC gaming hardware industry gets more stagnant and more boring, right? So, you know, we've got to figure out a way to continue to survive as tech media,

which means, you know, yeah, if I have to buy some stupid AI pin in order to find something that's interesting enough to do a review about, then know, yeah, if I have to buy some stupid AI pin in order to find something that's interesting enough to do a review about, then yeah, that's, that's what I'll do. Because that's what I do. You know, find find whatever's kind of wherever that the development is happening, and learn to get into that. Because you can't just rely on power supplies to stay interesting forever. I mean, I think a perfect example of a category that has really had its ups and downs over the last 10 years is displays. Right. When we first got into this, it was all about G-Sync.

So variable refresh rate and and high refresh rate. And then it was really boring for a bit and then ultra wide it was like oh we've got man we've got these new form factors that totally change immersiveness and then and then they were oh man then like the next release they were curved all of a sudden was like whoa curved monitors and then no and then oh it was just a barren landscape wasteland for years and then oled hit the scene it was like game changing and wow now refresh rates are going to 240 480 hertz it's crazy and then you know i i think that this generation the 2023 refreshed tvs are probably the least excited that I've seen people about a TV release in the last three or four years.

So it's just been it's been kind of all over the place in the in the TV industry. So if we were at their mercy, then our viewership and our success as a company would go up and down like that. But we can't do that. We've got to be we've got to be looking for, you know, what people are interested in, whether they're buying it or not. Honestly, it's kind of irrelevant to me. I'm not here to sell you anything, other than from lttstore.com. Let's go.

I'm here to talk about tech. I'm here to look at what's cool and exciting, right? So we'll just figure it out. Has there been anything you've enjoyed about using the wing? No. Fidget toy. Fidget toy. No, it's not even a good fidget toy. It's terrible.

The fingerprint sensor works maybe 20% of the time. Half the time I go to wake it, I go to just like press the button. It just doesn't wake. I have to press it like three times. Like it's just it's a piece of a piece of man i don't know what to tell you i've got one here for uh i've got one here for luke linus we want to go through some of the potentials um i'll have a look at those sure question for luke do you believe p2p solutions like ipf uh s could help with floatplane bandwidth costs if i remember correctly blizzard used to run wow updates with a mix of servers and peer-to-peer to absorb the initial spike all the examples of usage that i've seen for that uh that that deal with online video have not worked out um

i i think something like file downloads I think something like file downloads, which I understand, yeah, related. But I think something like file downloads where inconsistency in service is not an issue, I think it's fine. But expecting that next chunk to be there on time every single time, because if it's not, there are interruptions in playback of video. I think controlling more of that pipeline is more better, not worse. And that's just going to be what it is for a while. Could I see that changing eventually? Yeah, maybe. But not right now.

Hi, WAN.dll. Good morning. Linus, people keep asking about your beard, but why do you keep your earrings for so many years? Have you thought of removing them? Also, if Luke fights James, who will win? Luke would win. No offense, James.

They're not even in a similar weight class james is like my size um sorry james uh as for as for the earrings i don't know they're just they're i've had them since i was in grade nine or grade 10 or something like that and these exact earrings like like these exact hoops and the the one stud that i have i've had for almost the entire time I've known Yvonne. So like 15 years or something like that. At this point, they kind of just feel like part of my body. I don't really think about them. They definitely took a lot more criticism in the early days of the channel.

It's like, oh, what are you, gay, because you have earrings? Like A, A. Under every single video. And B, oh, my God, who cares? Like, jeez. Yeah. Right? But for those of you, for the Zoomers out there, right,

it was a different era. That was what passed for, I don't know humor i guess i don't know i'm not exaggerating it was under every actually every single video like a lot of comments it was it was brutal it's stupid yeah so and and to be clear it's not that i'm offended by being called gay i don't care i don't think that's a problem i'm not i just happen to not be i just think it's really stupid to look at a piercing and anyway it doesn't it doesn't matter the point is they're there um they don't care get used to it sorry what am i saying um one of them is actually stuck one of them is fused uh so this stud does not come off anymore i did actually try to remove it once

because um it i forget what it's made of i think it's gold and my daughter's um piercing was having a lot of trouble healing and so i was like oh i need something that has a longer uh what's the i don't know i forget what it's called pin i forget what it's called but the the the shaft part i need one that had a longer one so that it wouldn't stick against one side and get all get all goopy and i tried to take mine out and i actually could not with pliers on both sides like i couldn't it seems to be fused in some way so maybe it's not made of gold in which case it's maybe good that i never put it in her ear. But I ended up having to find something else.

So that one doesn't come out. So that's part of it, at least. I'd have to cut it off. Yo, LDL, love the show and looking forward to... Post! That's it. Dang it, thank you. Post, yeah. That's what you do on Twitter now.

That's not where I would have gone with it. That's what you do with your computer. That's not where I would have gone with it. That's what you do with your computer. Well, maybe not your computer, my computer. It's been having a lot of trouble doing that lately. I'll tell you that. That hurts a lot. You have no idea how much of that hurts, Linus. Well, you have Threadripper, so I had some idea.

I don't know if Linus can talk. How many times has your computer broke in the last six months? I don't know if Linus can talk. How many times has your computer broke in the last six months? I actually had an AMD driver crash recently. I updated my Radeon drivers and I haven't had another one. But man, having some second thoughts about my AMD challenge conclusion. My computer has a hand-repaired CPU and a GPU that rests on top of the case. And it seems to work more than yours.

I think Linux overwrote Intel's management engine on the system I'm building right now. Oh no. And it makes all the temperatures go to negative 200 million degrees and none of the IPMI stuff works. But then if you put a Windows disk in it it's great it's the weirdest thing ever anyway um yo ldl love the show and looking forward to the black friday deals question for the big l my little girl is now seven months old and i'm worried for her future do you have any concerns about the future of your daughters dude i have concerns about the future in general, never mind just for my daughters. I have no idea how my kids' generation is going to live in Vancouver with

the housing affordability issues that we have here. I have no idea what the job market is going to look like when these kids start looking for work. And we're at the point now where, you know, my eldest is what? Somewhere between five and 10 years from joining the workforce. Like five and 15. Like it's this is not some far distant future thing that I'm considering. that we could see significant progression in AI to the point where there is an actual surplus of meatbags that are needed to just do shit, right? Like, it's legitimately really scary.

So, yes. Yes, I do. You're normal. Hey, Alinus, remember when I asked about the damage by dennis and colton well on the ltd clip it got some mixed feedback what are your notes on it also i love the retro stickies most of the really negative feedback on this clip which seems to be far and away the best viewed video on this channel that is wild four million dollars on four million dollars no no four million views yeah exactly uh four million views on a like piece of the land show is

pretty unbelievable yeah yeah that's like way way far and away the best performer most of them are just people misunderstanding the situation which is pretty typical right like anger to me um and i don't mean you know righteous fury i mean just like like like like like just anger um often comes from a place of of ignorance or or an inability to fully understand the situation because um almost it's, unless it's precipitated by someone else's utterly irrational behavior, right? There's almost never no reason for something. And if you take the time to understand it, it can, it can change the way you feel about it is at least sort of my philosophy on it. And a lot of people's anger at this clip about me describing being angry

comes from a place of not understanding what happened. A lot of people are extremely bothered by the fact that, you know, here I am complaining about employees damaging my floor when I should have just had professional contractors work on it in the first place instead of exploiting them. And I'm sitting here going, what the f*** are you talking about? They snuck into my house and damaged my floor as part of making a video. So they were doing their jobs. They were just f***ing them up.

just f***ing them up. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's some controversy about the video, but most of it is just people who don't pay attention being people who don't pay attention and just getting angry. I guess I should clarify the anger thing a little bit again as well because there are lots of reasons to be legitimately angry about the state of the world even. But if you're just angry all the time, I think a lot of that can come from not taking the time

to listen and fully understand the situation. And I think we see a lot of those personality types under a video like that clip where it's obvious that, like, okay, a typical retention curve for a video has about half of the people gone by the end of it, which means that probably about a typical a typical retention curve for a video has about half of the people gone by the end of it which means that probably about a quarter of them are gone by you know the first minute or two so that should give you some idea that won't prevent people from commenting but that should give you some idea how much of the actual video has been watched by

you know a huge portion of the the youtube community right so this ended up kind of rambly the point is uh i'm over it i'm not bothered by it but yeah people are angry because they don't take the time to properly understand but that's that's their problem that's that's not my problem anymore and i've talked about this before on the show but when i see that kind of stuff, like the just colossally stupid takes or or takes that are obviously based on not paying attention to the content at all, I'm shadow banning them. I just I don't have room in my brain for just that kind of that that kind of nonsense um and and that's not to say that you know if someone says something critical they're going to get shadow banned that's not the case at all it's if someone says something that is just so phenomenally stupid that it makes me lose my few functioning brain cells um i'm just i'm not going to expose myself to it again. It just doesn't make any sense.

So if you were to post something like, you know, maybe you shouldn't be angry at them, you know, if you're exploiting them instead of hiring a professional to move your furniture, you're shadow banned. Like that's not what happened at all. And if you had taken the time to pay attention at all, you'd know that. So you just you lost, you lost being heard privileges. Sorry. And no one's gonna miss you because that's really stupid. attention at all you'd know that so you just you lost you lost being heard privileges sorry and no one's gonna miss you because that's really stupid i'm doing everybody a favor all right all right all right all right why was it you luke yeah yeah i posted that yeah yeah yeah no i i came and held i i'm pretty sure i was there when we found it right because we were trying to move your stuff properly and then it was discovered so unhappy or more of it was discovered or something

i don't remember it was it was much worse under the bed than like what's peeking out in front of it yeah yeah hi lld if apple is eventually forced to shut down the walled garden, do you think we will ever see an iPhone that natively runs Android? No. No. No, that's not the issue. That's not like an antitrust problem. No.

No. Loving the GPU ornament. What is the best LTT store idea that was rejected so far? The lighter snuffer combo. I wanted to do a lighter that was a butt that had a flame come out of it and you could light candles with it. And then if you pressed a different button, it would puff air out the butt and put out the candle why doesn't this exist who do i have to

blame for this linus blame nick light and kyle oh my goodness i'm gonna go talk to them i think i'm back on your side people would buy the crap out of that, man. We would just only have to sell that. Northhopper says, I would smoke so much weed with that. Yeah, but would you put it out? That's not how this works. No. No, you'd put it out just to put it out. Just ordered the new limited edition Steam Deck

and love the way it looks. What are your favorite limited edition Steam Deck and love the way it looks. What are your favorite limited edition or limited editions of games or tech that you have? What? I don't really do the collector's edition thing, to be honest with you. I know Luke does a little bit. Like you just, oh, you're not wearing that watch anymore.

I guess you're over it. Well, I have a hard time wearing like anything because I just lose it all the time. I actually really like that watch despite maybe not being so into the game anymore and will likely continue to wear it if I am trying to, I don't know, appear slightly more put together than I normally am. I'll say that. I was going to say dress up, but I was like, I don't think that's fair.

Because, yeah, I actually do quite like that watch. Um, I think that's actually probably my favorite special edition ever. That watch is like really cool. Actually works like pretty well. Build quality seems really good. Um, it's made by, cause I want to give credit to the people that actually made it. It's made by, because I want to give credit to the people that actually made it, it's made by The Wand Company, I think the name is called. The Wand Company, makers of the world's finest. Website is loading very slowly. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's these people. Yes, The Wand Company. They made the watch and they did a fantastic job and i hope that they keep working with companies making special editions in the future uh because that was awesome um very very cool very happy that i got it not only is the um the watch

great but even the box that it came in is awesome so yeah pretty cool which watch was it it's the it's the what is it chrono master watch or something like chronomark watch from the starfield special edition in an apoca apocalypse Mad Max situation Which LMG member is most likely To start the raider group Most likely to hold on to civilized values Most likely to be The cult leader

Ah Ooh Linus is the cult leader Oh hell yeah Easy I still want to go to the mountains Linus is the cult leader Oh hell yeah Easy I still want to go to the mountains Linus When are you going to take us to the mountains Linus Company town

You promised to take us to Gaben Um Ooh I could see James Being a bit cult leader cult leader he might be my rival oh yeah i could see that i think i think luke don't take this the wrong way but i think that you wouldn't want to be in charge you would prefer to be the enforcer of, of the, of the person in power. I think,

I think you're more of a defender than a, than a, like just by, by nature. And I feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. That's usually how I work. But I think, I think you would be right hand Luke,

regardless of who the leader is, you would be putting yourself in a position where, hold on, hold on. If you felt that their leadership was a path to better order and a and a better overall situation for everyone then you would do basically anything to put yourself between them in danger that's your rule yeah that's Dan I imagine is more like Cypher from the Matrix

Okay Continue You know he's super technical, skilled sells you out at a moment's notice Yeah people are gonna die but we're gonna have running plumbing and indoor lighting.

No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, Dan. I'm kidding. No, no, I think that's pretty true. Dan's using people's bones as engineering extrusion. It's just the most efficient material, Luke. It's very abundant. It's very light.

It's very strong. They come within 30 feet of me and i have more more tools skin is a very effective leather um i uh yeah i i feel like we could talk about this for an hour but um who would hold on to civilized values? I feel like Yvonne would be a huge pusher for civilized values. Organization and civilized values. But I think at a point, she would accept that we have to do what it takes to get things done. So who would really hold on, hold on?

Not Colton. No. not colton no he'd be like i've got guns um doesn't he already live in like an apocalyptic wasteland and like yeah basically yeah uh let's go chilliwack um sorry colton yeah i uh yeah i think that's about all i've got to say about that okay what else we got um i'm curious what you think the impact will be from a bunch of organizations now trying to do uh ai at scale without broad institutional knowledge about how to correctly measure results. Oh, it's Wild West, man. It is and is going to be absolutely nuts for the next, like, at least five years. I think the upheaval that we saw today with Sam Altman getting ousted from OpenAI is just the beginning of, not the beginning, but I think is just a small fraction of the kind of infighting and chaos that we're going to see

in this space. It's a land grab right now, right? There's no rules at the end of the day. And I think, yeah, it's going to be a wild time, man. Super, super wild because people can't even agree on the basics of whether we should build AI or not right now. How can you expect consensus and everybody marching in the same direction when we don't even know if we should march? Speaking of which, nine minutes ago, there was a post from Greg Brockman. Sam, as in Sam Altman.

Sam and I are shocked and saddened by what the board did today. Let us first say thank you to the incredible people who have worked with OpenAI, our customers, our investors, and all of those who've reached out. We, too, are still trying to figure out exactly what happened. Here is what we know. Last night, Sam got a text from Ilya asking to talk at noon Friday. Sam joined a Google meet and the whole board except Greg, who I think he's talking about himself in third person, because I believe Greg Brockman was on the board. So the whole board except Greg was told that he was being removed. Sorry, hold on. I moved my thing and got lost. The whole board except for Greg was there. Ilya told Sam he was being fired and that the news was going out

very soon. At 12.19 PM, Greg got a text from Ilya asking for a quick call. At 12.23 PM, Ilya sent a Google Meet link. Greg was told he was being removed from the board, but that he was vital to the company and would retain his role, and that Sam had been fired. Around this time, OpenAI published a blog post. As far as we know, the management team was made aware of this shortly after, other than Mira, who found out the night prior. Wow, so this...

Whoa. Yeah. Quick fast. then greg immediately quit um so yeah removed from the board told he should stay and then immediately left wow it's uh it's a bit of a confusing thing. I mean, do we know kind of what's happened or is it all speculation at the moment? Well, that's from the horse's mouth, but that's about it.

Yeah. Yeah, they are literally currently trying to figure out what's going on. Terrifying. I know there's been some open AI people tweeting about how it feels like a coup, stuff like that. Yeah, I don't know

okay then uh hey dll any updates on the ltd backpack zipper pulls uh yeah we're still we're still working on it we've had some challenges with the supplier. I might as well just give you guys the update. They have completed part of the production process across the entire 160,000 unit order or whatever it is, and they want more payment. But what we had agreed to was that they would take parts of it fully to completion, and then we would give them more and then they would fully complete and fully complete and we would pay in installments

that way and so we are pretty upset about the current situation because they are demanding more money and they haven't actually delivered anything yet which was the deal um so i i just found this out recently that that's where it's kind of stalled at right now and we are doing our absolute best to get it moving forward as quickly as we can will the black friday deals ship in time for christmas uh oh i don't see why not i mean well i guess it depends what kind of a like insane black friday we have i've seen some of the deals that those guys are planning but uh

yes probably almost certainly like how yeah like today's going pretty nuts with all the stuff that we launched during the show uh the rg broken wow okay can you guys like add some other stuff to your order with the rg broken t-shirt we're not making money on that you guys jeez it's outselling anything else on the store by like it's 10 to 1 yeah the next the next most sellingest item has moved one tenth as many units come on throw a water bottle in your order you're killing me here sorry what'd you say i don't know if you can buy a shirt that cheap like almost anywhere these days oh it's a really nice shirt too um yeah yeah but like that's what i'm saying get a water bottle you guys are killing me here

you probably should have done like a buy something else and get this shirt for ten dollars yeah maybe if your team coded it for me it's not supported in shopify i asked that's what i wanted to do nick came in right before the show and was like yeah we can't do that you we could do we could do buy this get a deal on another this but we can't do buy this get x price on this or buy anything get price on this because that's what i wanted to do i wanted to do 9.99 with any purchase and then we couldn't do that and i was just like all right 9.99 and then you guys only order shirts pretty specific about what you can do um i know and i know there's plugins and stuff but maybe the community will just throw me a bone here and um yeah order more than just

lost leader shirts you guys are gonna you guys are gonna lose your lost leader privileges for black friday at this rate yeah conrad just said i just checked we can definitely do that i'm a little confused i thought we've literally done this before okay maybe it was a miscommunication then again back to what i was saying earlier about how the bigger an organization gets the more stages of telephone happen because it's possible that maybe i miscommunicated exactly the promo i wanted to run it's possible the creator warehouse team miscommunicated to the development team it's possible the development team miscommunicated to luke just now or like probably not but my point is that these breakdowns can happen anywhere in the chain,

and I'm sure we'll get it sorted out maybe in time for Black Friday. Yeah, something will happen. Hey, LLD. COD Modern Warfare 3 launch has me reminiscing about the glory days of online gaming. One of the big staples in online gaming in the earlier 2010s halo 3 cod gta 5 what did you enjoy playing the most i missed that era of gaming because i had small children but luke feel free to talk about it uh so i heard gta 5 what what else was listed there halo 3 call of duty etc yeah i've not heard of that i i was much halo 3 was a great game i was

much more of a halo 2 fan than a halo 3 fan um modern warfare uh i don't know i feel like because gta 5 was listed i feel like that was actually pretty close to the beginning of ltd so i actually wasn't gaming as much as like almost any other time in my life um and most of what i was doing at that time i'm gonna curveball the heck out of you but i was playing mario kart on wii u um so what up what a nerd What a nerd. It was really fun. What a poser.

Myself and the other four people that had Wii U's had a great time. That's all I've got for Curated. Let's go through some potentials then, I guess, unless you're answering any. No, yes, no. Hey, WAN.dll, miss the red and blue hexagon set what video ideas for ltt took the least time to make in the last two years and how did they come how did they perform compared to other videos that took more time honestly i i wouldn't be able to remember exactly which ones took the least amount of time but what i will tell you is that you would be surprised i think at which videos took a lot of time and which videos were sharted out in an afternoon um like sometimes we will put a ton of work into something and get a really poor response

to it and then in other cases we'll basically just throw something together and you guys absolutely love it um i'm scrolling through right now trying to find examples of this it's really um what was the question again ones ones we threw together like fast ones like the easiest and quickest turnaround for the best performance like basically the um effort to performance ratio of your videos oh interesting okay okay like here's one that was super high effort the sponsor secret shopping that was not ultimately very well received for some legit reasons and for some that i think were just sort of um less legit

uh these are always super quick oh actually this one was less so because we had to actually get no uh people with notoriety to send us their setups in many cases so there was a fair bit of digging and prep that went into this particular one but when we just ask the community to tweet us stuff that's relatively easy um man we put we put a fair bit of prep even into our low effort stuff these days like this we shot in a couple of hours the trying pirate game consoles from aliexpress but like ploof put a bunch of work into finding good ones getting them ordered getting them set up so that you know it was all ready for a smooth production um this is relatively easy when we just buy something really cheap and crappy because no one's expecting it to be good anyway so you know hey if it is then surprise but we'll figure that out pretty quickly and then if it's not good then we just dunk on it for 23 minutes or whatever right so that's that's pretty easy yeah nothing is that easy anymore event coverage is pretty fast turnaround but that's out of

necessity not because we want to to do the whole thing in like 14 hours or whatever it's it's really challenging in its own ways man this was a freaking ton of work build your own mechanical keyboard the right way and it's now starting to get some legs but it started out really slow updates just like hey i'm just telling you guys a thing those are pretty low effort but they're high effort in terms of that you have to think about and find you know something to tell you all about this was fun man we make a lot of cool videos this one i was so disappointed that this one didn't perform better these are hilarious bad sports team tech you know this

would be such a great stream format just going through and doing like a watch together um but like making you guys all click on it at the same time i've actually thought about this a lot of times like could i game the algorithm a little bit if i had 3 000 people watching alongside me i'm like okay let's all click it right now okay we're watching and i'm gonna do director's commentary in your one ear while you listen to the video in the other ear and uh so like these old videos would get this boost and would they get like an algorithmic boost i want to try it at some point i had not talked about it publicly because i was like oh my devious

plan but i don't know maybe somebody's done that before anyway like a like a watch together thing hi dll with the release of the new version of the steam deck have you considered going back to valve instead of saying with the rog ally What are your favorite parts of each? The screen, man. Steam Deck screen. And with the Ally, it's all about the performance. But yes, I am seriously... My next game that I play is going to be Octopath Traveler, and I am seriously considering ditching the Ally and going with the Steam Deck OLED.

The screen is just so good, and the battery life is very enticing. I was at an IT con last week and learned about Wasm from a dev I was chatting with. Are you familiar with it? And if so, what are your thoughts on its potential for development on both x86 and ARM? You know about Wasm mr luke

i don't even know if you can hear web web assembly oh he's yeah he's gone no he's just turned the screen off okay he's still here uh he's just ignoring us i have nothing to contribute to that so i guess we might have to move on. There's Luke. Awesome, Luke. WebAssembly. Are we lagging super hard? Can you guys hear me? Yes. WebAssembly, yeah.

What about WebAssembly? Good, yes, no, bad. Are you familiar with it? What are your thoughts on its potential for development? I haven't used it personally. I've heard good things. It's pretty far away from what we're going to do. So yeah, but it's cool.

Hey, LLD, a question for Linus. How would you feel about doing a Top Gear style video? You have stated previously that there are some video ideas that get shelved because the video would be too short. I don't know that Top video would be too short i don't know that top gear stuff is too short uh i would definitely be down to do you know bigger grander projects but i gotta be honest with you guys it's not really the way we're built you know that's how someone like a mark rober runs things it's like every every video is is like going for the grand slam. Right. Um, whereas we're more of like, Hey,

let's figure out how to consistently hit line drive singles. Um, and if we, if we can occasionally knock it out of the park, then that's, that's great. Um, but we're, we're more about more videos more frequently, um, giving you your, you know, your daily dose of tech and less about you know spending a month polishing one killer concept video and then trying to get 25 35 50 million views on it it's just it's a different approach i pulled the plunger on a very large

sorry i'm i'm lagging like crazy can you guys hear me we know luke hello but we love you anyway okay sorry my side's having some troubles right now but i i misspoke apparently we do use some web assembly that's my bad okay all good uh yeah we can still hear you okay but we do seem to be losing your video a little bit um okay i pulled the plunger on a very large mentor's office chair right as he was falling asleep we both laughed way too hard what is the simple play what is a simple prank that y'all have done that resulted in lots of laughter one of my favorites was the time i rigged up a squirt gun i like taped it to the wall and then i set up a trip wire so that when my sister opened up the door it would pull on the trigger and from plaster it's pretty funny

that's pretty good hey i also just love sneaking up on yvonne it's just really funny she jumps i i have a video on channel super fun of screen melter that was my favorite thing i ever did it's evil it's evil man hey lld it's not that evil it's coded in that you can press escape now i have a version where that's not the case but i didn't get anyone with ah hey lld linus since you like final fantasy 6 are there any other jrpgs you enjoy personally i'm not a fan of jrpgs but i absolutely love grandia yet it seems hardly anyone knows it uh one of my favorites i mean i i played through chained echoes recently i played through uh sea of stars recently uh chained echoes was definitely my favorite of the two even if the story got a little bit off the rails and i i don't want to i don't want to spoil anything so plug your ears

for the next 10 seconds if you were planning to play chained echoes it's a pretty mild spoiler but basically just like every other every other cut scene there's like but then they were betrayed okay this is this starts to lose its impact after a while um not not quite exactly that but it's just that kind of plot twist okay it's safe to come back um so i found that kind of frustrating but i think my favorite one in terms of the best balance of gameplay story uh design um character development i i loved crosscode radical fish is working on something new i will pre-order it even though i always say don't pre-order i just i just love that game so much that i will just give them more money i don't really care um and it's it's such a good game it's

it's just so worth it good day dll given the black market for airline parts is a thing has there and it has been for a while how about a right to repair for airline parts? I bet the official parts cost as much as the airlines can bear. Well, that's a whole thing, though, with certification. In fact, there was a big thing recently where there was, like, fraudulent certifications on a bunch of airline parts. And they're in the process of tracking down where the heck all these things ended up. That's happening, like, right now. I think when it comes to airplane parts, things get a little bit more complicated. No, I don't actually want Joe technician

repairing the Jesus nut on a helicopter. I want certifications. I don't know if that's actually what it's called. That's just what neighbor Steve used to call it. Because if there's anything wrong with it, you better pray to Jesus was how he explained it to me. I'm going to see if that's just a Steve thing. I did hear him call it that.

Yes, it's a slang term for the main rotor retaining nut or mast nut that holds the main rotor to the mast of some helicopters you know you know why it's called the jesus nut um is it not what i just said uh probably by the way dan didn't have the brain cell for it by the way i love this not to be confused with jesus freak which isn't a jesus enthusiast oh no okay um

um hey sorry does it explain why it's called that as a slang term um yeah because if it fails you better pray to jesus yeah yeah yeah we we did cover that down sorry i'm i i can't keep up with the merch messages right now do you know what you're doing great i'm trying really hard i'm sorry uh hey dll and cardboard l uh long time viewer first time buyer it's only a money reason or a marketing reason to not have a desktop version of an i3 1220p for where it has more e cores than p cores okay i had not looked this is again something that i'm really excited for the lab to be able to help us do is like dig through these deep product stacks aside from the you know the ones that get seeded to

press and find these diamonds in the rough this thing looks really interesting it's got two p cores and then it's i forget i looked at it a second ago but it's either six or eight e cores so for certain types of games it might actually be kind of killer like kind of a great value if you don't need more than two performance cores um you know single player games older triple a um i don't know man i uh it's it seems super cool but it also definitely is going to have many applications today where it underperforms. And I think that's probably why you don't see many configurations like that. Back to your question. Hey, I see there was a debate between Asus Ally and Steam Deck. I understand it used to be about

the price difference, but is that even a valid argument or is there a huge difference in hardware? There's huge differences in hardware now not just hardware the software they are they are as different as i think two devices could be while existing in the exact same category if you kind of get what i mean it's like they are to me what a uh you know a sports car and a pickup truck are like they're just sure they both roll on four wheels but they are nothing alike um you know the steam deck it's linux it's a console it's a very console appliance like experience instant sleep instant wake um all that kind of stuff right it's got the trackpad so you can play mouse games if you really want to on it, it has now the

far better screen, but it comes with limitations like the fact that it can only run Linux software or at least software that can run on a compatibility layer. It's going to struggle with some anti-cheat, whereas the ROG Ally is going to have like a jankier interface overall. I mean, they've done a pretty okay job of fixing it up but it's still windows it's freaking windows right um it's more powerful but it doesn't have as good of a screen but also the screen is higher resolution actually and and now that they're priced so similarly i saw some black friday deals that are going up already on the ally i i'm looking at it going like, man, you just got to research.

You got to read. You got to look. You got to figure out what's important to you and go for it because the Steam Deck has better battery life. But the Ally is more compact. I like carrying the Ally better than the Steam Deck. It's really bulky, right? It's really tough.

It's a tough answer hey dll i have the original 512 uh sorry i think that's one's already been done um let's see hello lld first are you considering reviewing handheld docs and accessories for the rog ally or steam deck there are so many but it's hard to know what's actually good. I think that's something that we could do a better job of on Short Circuit. It's not the kind of thing that we would do on LTT, but I talked to Bell today, he's the channel manager for that, and we were just kind of chatting about

what can we do to improve our product mix over there and try and find things that are more pertinent to people's interests because per-video viewership's been down a little bit over the last while. So yeah, that's a really good idea and maybe something that I'll flag for him. I don't know that you'll see a bunch of doc reviews all of a sudden, but it's definitely something that's going to be on our radar. Evening, gentlemen.

What is Linus's grievance against Star Trek? I remember Edsel mentioning Linus didn't like it when they moved into the editing den during moving the vlog. Star Trek. You know what? That was a long time ago. Was that pre-reboot? Because I loved the reboot.

And I liked watching Next Generation with my dad when I was a kid. But I found it pretty boring compared to lightsabers and blasters. There's a lot of politics in star trek that is not that interesting to a kid but as an adult i actually well part of it is that star wars has gotten a lot worse um as an as an adult i i have no problem with star trek whatsoever i just didn't get into it as a kid so i think you're just not seeing the um nostalgia glasses. With AI coding assistants expected to bring programming to the masses,

how likely do you think it is that we'll see a world where users can tailor most websites extensively to their liking? Hmm. No. All right. Nope. Thanks, Luke. I don't think that's going to be a thing pretty much at all because uh as for better or worse we're in like a very corporate stage of the internet and corporations want control so yeah question for luke do you think we'll ever branham do you think you'll ever branham off branch okay thank you do you think you'll ever branch off of ltd and make a car related channel no wow that's a far-fetched one Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think you're, uh, massively over, overextending, um,

both not, not just my interests, but my knowledge, uh, and ability in that realm pretty extensively. I think drifting is real cool. And I had an opportunity to do something real cool in Japan. Um, and, and. And cars are neat. I think there's a very surprising amount of crossover between people that are into cars and people that are into computers. I think it's something people don't think about all that often,

but like I've been recognized like a ton at this random drifting event because I think just curious people that like tinkering with things and messing with things and getting them to work in the way that they like. I think there's a ton of crossover with that type of people when it comes to, again, both cars and computers. So I think cars are interesting for the same reasons that I generally think computers are interesting, but they're not my main thing.

And it would never be my main thing. So yeah, there you go. The one car channel. Yeah. My old Acura. Here's all the reasons why I feel like I don't want to buy a new car. That might be kind of fun. What was that story of the kid that they filmed all through his entire life? I don't know. Truman Show? No.

Yeah, whatever. But about a car. Just until it dies forever. Let's see, what else we got? How about another one for Luke? We're learning about design principles in computer science, such as solid. Does Floatplane use any of these principles? If so, is it as helpful as the textbooks say they are?

You should take, so like officially, no, not really. But you should keep those things in mind. You should take that type of approach with things. A fairly interesting one to me is NASA's. I know pretty much any excuse to bring up NASA. But it's an interesting problem. know pretty much any excuse to bring up NASA. But it's an interesting problem. You take software development and you put it in a situation where updating it is going to be very difficult. Failures are going to be extremely critical. And there's going to be a very extreme environment

that it has to run in regarding like radiation and stuff. So there's going to be a lot of failures that are going to happen despite your best efforts. And it has to be able to deal with all of those different things. And the way that they approach software development, considering those variables is very interesting. Now, you take the extremely hypercritical nature of software development for NASA, and you compare it against a website that plays video on the internet.

And they're very different things. So we consider stuff, but I wouldn't say that we follow anything like that. Let's see. Dan and Luke, what changes did you have to put in place to enterprise your IT infrastructure for the company after years of not having a person whose job it was to manage it? Well, we're still doing that. One of the things that we've been doing is going through and just

finding all of the stuff that really should not exist in the way that it currently does. I think saying enterprising is a little far from where we're currently at. prizing is, is a little far from where we're currently at. Um, um, so there's, there's a lot to be done, but, um, like adding remote monitoring systems to things, um, adding monitoring in general, monitoring and notification stuff in general, um, redundancy has been a big one. We're still, well, this is one of the reasons that's why, yeah, exactly. So all of this stuff is still being worked on. It's not done. Um, but yeah, we're adding a lot of monitoring. We're adding a lot of redundancy. Um, we, we have issues in, in quite a few different places where, um, the, the it budget for the company has been,

if we can get it for a video, that's awesome. that's awesome um so in a lot of places we'll have one of something where at this scale you would really want two so they can fail over so if that thing goes down or if that thing even needs to be updated um everything is going to go down um so so adding redundancies to those situations, adding monitoring and notification support so we can tell when things go down more easily, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, has been good. Things have been improving, but it's slow and it's gonna continue to be slow.

Ladies and gentlemen, we got them. Nick messaged me. He's like, yeah, that was on me. I was so focused on trying to do it automatically when you add to cart that I forgot we could do it via discount code. End of Friday brain. Oh, we took his brain cell.

That's what happened. We stole Nick's brain cell. Wait, did I tell you I finished Titanfall? No. What? When? I don't know. I don't remember. What do what do you think what are your thoughts it was really good i don't know what you're talking about that happens after the time mechanism thing that's better i actually thought that that was the highlight of the game

oh did i say it was better i don't think you said it was almost as good i don't think anything else was even close it was kind of samey it like it It had a typical kind of FPS climax, I felt. Yeah, I don't know. Almost as good might be an exaggeration as well. I liked it a lot. The absolute peak of the game is the time shifting, for sure. Yeah, okay. But I guess especially on like the hardest difficulty the the

ending portion where you get the auto pistol is hard you said you weren't wall running much yeah i wall ran okay i mean i didn't try to run the whole level though yeah okay okay okay yeah when you get the auto aiming the smart oh, the smart... Oh, not auto-pistol, the smart pistol. When you get the smart pistol, you can wall-run the whole rest of the game, basically. Okay, all right. I can see how that would be fun. And it's very fun because you get to focus really hard on the wall-running because the pistol is just going to shoot for you.

Yeah, it was pretty entertaining. It's not as good as the time shifting watch i think i lost the plot there a little bit then because i was still just going through the level thinking i i first i thought the pistol was going to run out of ammo at some point or like uh like i just like i was still i was still they put you in this like survival mindset you you have you you have a what you have one pistol you can either use it on him or you can use on you like i i maybe i just got the wrong vibe from it yeah so what what i got from that was like you're it's a race basically you you are you are equipped

with the what was it called the serve kit or whatever. The seer kit. Yeah. You're equipped with the seer kit and you have to go. And this is all you've got. And you just go, go, go, go, go. And yeah, I found that part very fun. But yeah, I'm happy you liked it. That's cool. What are you doing next?

Powers of Silicon Valley. That's the next one? Yep. Well, that's the last one. well that's the last one no you said hackers as well oh yeah sure fine oh man you're gonna watch you haven't seen it i haven't seen hackers i know i know i know why are you pushing that one out of your mind i i just i forgot i forgot okay okay i think you're pushing back against it i think so mad i'm just confused so mad it's it's campy and fun i don't know uh okay what else we got uh hi lld what has been the most surprising smash hit on lttstore.com oh uh ooh uh bread um no no no no no no no not bread i wouldn't describe that as a smash hit i mean we

we moved some bread you know what would have been a good smash hit yeah the lighter 100 100 that wouldn't have been a surprise though dan that's not the question would have been a surprise to nick that would have been an obvious obvious smash hit i'm loading up four years of data so give the uh give the poor shopify servers a second here maybe i can deflect and go to a question for maybe do one more in the meantime um okay so i guess this one would be for luke yeah i am a teen who really likes doing tech and programming in general luke as someone who mainly is mainly a c dev do you have any advice for a new c dev with less than years experience uh thanks i love the show whoa

i don't know if saying mainly a c dev would be fair because i don't know if calling me a dev would be fair um it's been a long time that I've actually done actual development work. I really liked C. And back when I was doing actual development, which at this point was a decade ago, I think I was actually decently good. But it was a very, very long time ago. And honestly, OK, by the time I was really rooted in C, it would probably be closer to 12 to like 13 years ago. Because I was moving on to other stuff before I started working with Linus.

For a new C dev, I don't know. At this point, things have moved on from when I did it. I'm sure things are very different, but there's some people already saying this in chat, and I've always said this for any type of development. Just start doing stuff. Start trying to make stuff. With C especially, if your brain works this way, which is why you might be interested in C, start trying to get some embedded circuit systems so that you can start developing stuff that will do things in real life. That's what I really liked about it.

C and Basic I found very useful for that type of stuff. Learn your pointers and just start making things. I would start making things before studying too much. Because then you'll find the stuff that you want to learn. then you can study that

so you can get better at making things and you can keep making things yeah i think that's probably the best thing is to have a thing that you want to do with it and then google yeah google the problem that you're trying to make it do not the thing that you want it to do you should see what you like yeah um okay shopify yeah the i would say the biggest hmm now there's a couple uh the short circuit uh long sleeve that i tried to cancel and then we ended up selling the long sleeve t-shirt, whatever that is. I would say the biggest

surprise for me was the towel. We move thousands and thousands of towels. don't promote them we never talk about them i'd say out of all the products on the site they are one of the least unique compared to other things of that nature but the thing we did differently with the towel is the same thing that we did with our desk pads where it's the same price no matter what size so obviously people really like the huge

towels so i guess they're like they're a pretty good value in everything but you know so is value village right like you could you can get a towel cheaper if you really want um but people buy the crap out of the towel and i just i don't quite understand it i keep i keep bringing this up internally like hey guys where's our next when's our next towel you know just that like thing that low-key everybody needs but uh we don't really have to do anything to sell it we just source a decent towel techify it a little and like profit um kitchen rags okay that's just a small towel dan you gotta think a little bit outside the box here man help me out garage rags okay that's enough putting you back in the drawer yeah i own four towels i own one of your sweater

right yeah it's it's it's great everybody buys multiple of the same thing oh i see that's what i'm that's what i'm talking about like my i i have a set in my bathroom and then i have a set to be in the cupboard so that i can swap them out more often right if i have three or four bathrooms in my house you know i'm gonna have 10 of the same product and maybe you know all right fair enough right all right okay let's see hi again dan and linus and luke while i'm asking about rainbow things any more pride colored computer themed merch coming more rainbow anodized limited run pins so i can actually get one this time uh oh i i wasn't even aware that they were gone um i could i can definitely uh dan do you actually mind um forwarding this one to the design team maybe to sarah and then yeah maybe

we'll bring those back because i hadn't a lot of the pin drops are meant to be limited edition i didn't think the keyboard ones in the various colorways were necessarily meant to be as limited so maybe we could do those once in a while or something like that yeah i've had some friends ask about those too uh you said sarah sarah let's see sarah we're all sharing one brain cell today you can see luke is just completely like asleep right now um i'm trying to i'm assuming the show is ending, so I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to get up to the circuit. Heck yeah. Walk.

That's not going to be an option if I want to get there even remotely on time. Fast train. Let's see. Okay, we've got three more. Can we make it through three more? Yes. Hi, Linus. It was a ROG reboot video where you mounted a fan to a CPU cooler with these rubber mounts.

They fit in between the fins. Do you know what they are called? Oh, I think those were actually included with that particular cooler. Don't quote me on that. Tell you what, if you tweet at me with the screenshot of that, I will try to remember to look at it sometime this weekend. Not at Linus Tech, at Linus G. Sebastian. Atomic Age Ace in full-plane chat has a pretty good point. I'm kind of surprised we don't have a microfiber cloth. Well, Apple beat us to the punch.

uh well apple beat us to the punch if you know anyone's going to have an even more overpriced premium microfiber cloth it's going to be apple so we've kind of figured now they stole our thunder no that's not actually that's not actually why i yeah yeah we should probably do it at some point um hey lld question for luke Dan. What is your favorite Linus quote? Mine is, Wanshow time happens when a wizard decides that it arrives. March 30th, 2018. You just stole that from Lord of the Rings. I think there's got to be better Linus quotes than that.

My favorite Luke quote is, Comb it with a brick. What? I don't remember what he was trying to say, but he said, he said the words, comb it with a brick. I immediately challenged him to explain what he meant.

And I don't remember his response being very coherent. That was, that was a WAN show back in the garage. Was it WAN show? I thought that was offline. No, I think that was Wancho. I don't think so. Comb it with a brick.

I still, to this day, have no idea what the fuck you were talking about. I don't remember anymore, so I can't. I don't know. Oh, Joseph L. A really really really old land show what do you think is going on with my cube blocking access to home assistant and other third-party apps okay we talked about that last week but i had meant to talk about um eight sleep being complete heads about access to their sleep pods api access and stuff like that. So those guys, yeah, we worked with them on a sponsored thing once,

but as long as they keep behaving like this, that's not going to happen again. And their excuse is they are cutting off access because they have something better in the works. And it's like, no, you launch the better thing and you let people work with the kind of kludgy thing for now if they want to put warnings in front of it i don't care but don't just cut it off it's ridiculous

sorry that was it uh you talk about always moving forward in terms of content at lmg are there any practices or content types on the way out? Honestly, we do. It's less of like a decision we make that, well, we're not going to do anything like that before, or we're going to move in this direction. You know, we often try to make those kinds of decisions. Like I remember seeing the success of Scrapyard Wars way back in the day, especially driving subscriptions to Flow plane and thinking, Oh, we need to do way more serialized content, but it's not that simple. You can't decide what you,

what end product you need and then just hope you have a creative spark that gets you there. That's how you end up with TV, you know? Um, so we, we like to be very seat of our pants driven. But that's not always possible. So you have to have systems. So it's a balancing act, right? And I would say it's more of a slow evolution. One of the things that's been happening since the shutdown is the writers' meeting does weekly, uh they call them um post more funds because post-mortem had kind of like a you know crappy vibe to it so they're more funds um and we basically just go through what went well

this week what went poorly i usually don't get to attend them because they take place during land show at the end of the week um but i uh because luke was off site and because i wasn't actually shooting anything in the lead up to wanshow i uh because luke was off site and because i wasn't actually shooting anything in the lead up to when show i got to sit in on part of one today and it's really cool just kind of talking about things that went well things that didn't go as well and um you know working together to uh you know keep making better content i mean we definitely uh it's it's no secret that we have taken a bit of a hit to viewership ever since the shutdown. I'm not going to deny that. But what I'm really proud of is the way that the team is pulling together to make the very best content that we can, and how swift that recovery has been. You know, if you look at,

oh, obviously, you guys don't have access to the same dashboard that I do. So your view is not going to be quite as granular. But once this month is over um you're going to see there's going to be this line and then it's going to go like this and then it's going to go boom boom boom like we are uh we're we're back baby i mean the team is um it's incredible i say it all the time but world class and um it's not the kind of thing that i could do by myself so it was it was really cool watching that creative process today and um even though i've seen a lot of the results of it you're just sort of seeing how the sausage was made even internally here um really neat and i have um i have another message from one of our world-class team members that's from mr nick. Microfiber shirt in chopped towel blue. Oh, that's right.

That's hilarious. I forgot about that. I wanted to do a shirt made entirely of microfiber. It's a really weird garment. I actually really like it. We have a prototype. Have you tested it on anybody with any sort of body hair? No.

Oh, no, no, but it only has one more textured side and then it has like a like a less textured side so i think i think the idea is to wear it microfiber side out i don't remember now i just want to wear it microfiber side in yeah you just you just wear a microfiber shirt like it's hilarious i don't know we'll see maybe it'll be a failure maybe it'll be a sleep hit. I'll take 20 and use them to clean my computer. Either way, Luth got somewhere to be. I was going to say you guys have somewhere to be, but let's face it. You hang out with us every Friday, which we love. See you again next week. Bye!

Yeah, that. Dan, play Linus and super check so he doesn't get sad But he'll win Yeah, he wins every time I can try I have to post tech link Which is important We're still live though

Wait for the catch up I guess I can It's still live though. Wait for the catch up. I didn't play that. I guess I can stream it. And we do this. Okay.