The WAN Show - I’m Taking Credit For This - WAN Show April 3, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:26 Many promotions are available both in-store and online, though some may vary. What's up, everybody? and welcome to the WAN show. Happy Friday. We're going to take off by starting with... Sorry. It's going to be a rough one. Despite it being a good news, WAN show.
Starting point is 00:00:55 Turbulent show. Oh, my God. We got a great show lined up for you guys this week. It is officially the first week of Good News April. So with some exceptions, it's all good news all the time on the WAN show. And we're starting with the Steam survey saying that Linux is up by over double its previous market share. Now, that might be. Well, yeah, we'll have to get into a little bit more detail.
Starting point is 00:01:24 But hey, hey, hey, hold on a second. In other fantabular spectacular news, DDR5 pricing in China seems to be facing a, and this is a quote, complete collapse. due to changes in the market is this finally some good news for gamers who what a little bit more memory can we build computers again that would be cool I'd be awesome I'd be super down what else we got oh man oh yeah I'm definitely prepared for this not only our ramp prices dropping because of a particular reason but also Google's turboquant AI compression algorithm can reportedly reduce LLM
Starting point is 00:02:06 inference memory usage by like six times. Yeah, to like one-sixth. Which is crazy. A six-times reduction or a one-sixth non-reduction. Yeah. Pick one more quick. Professional show. Artemis 2!
Starting point is 00:02:27 Oh yeah. You're such a space geek. I can't believe we haven't talked about this yet. There's a few topics relating to that. So I'm just going to say that in general. Yeah, Artemis 2. My favorite one is Outlook. What?
Starting point is 00:02:39 Where did this come from? Uh, I have a little rabbit hat? Why? This is so short. The show is brought to you today by D-brand. O-do, Squarespace, and good Lord, I missed the last one. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Proton male alongside, sorry. Our chair partner, Razor, our laptop partner, also Razor, and our rap partner, D Brand. Who made that? It was probably no key. Yeah, that makes sense. Had to have been no key. That was amazing.
Starting point is 00:03:24 That's crazy. That was some art. I had no idea that was coming. That was art. All right, why don't we jump right into our headline topic, which is, of course, the Steam survey. So here, let's fire it up here. And I just want to open by saying that over one month ago,
Starting point is 00:03:46 three people started a Linux challenge here we are just over one month later and Linux Market Share has jumped where's the bloody operating system part there it is
Starting point is 00:04:04 operating system no we're not OS version good Lord I haven't actually played with this in a while click for more info where's the damn thing here we go Linux Market Share has jumped by 3.1% to 5.33, with Arch, by the way, leading the way, mint in second place. Ubuntu and third meant again in fourth, Ubuntu again in fifth, and Manjaro bringing up the rear.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Which is arch derivative. So a few of those could kind of condense in a little bit. Let's talk about the real reasons, because obviously it's not because we're doing the Linux challenge. that something like this might have happened. Okay, one, maybe some sampling bias. The Steam hardware survey is not a complete capture every month of every system with Steam installed on it.
Starting point is 00:04:57 It also, apparently, I'm reading on phoronics.com. Yeah. And if we tune in here a little bit, you can see that, it was dropping, actually. Steam on Linux ended 2025 around 3.5%. Dipped in January, dipped in February. dipped in February and then and then kind of like slammed back up and that might be where that sampling bias is from or something like that I'm not really sure however however overall though
Starting point is 00:05:25 it's up overall though it seems like the trajectory we're on marching forward is pretty good and and 5.33% that's pretty good those are real numbers yeah that's like a user base that you care about now yeah and I mean look not massive but it's pretty good I talked about this back when Valve launched the Steam deck as I went like, look, if they sell enough of these things, game developers will simply not be able to afford to ignore it. And man, is it starting to feel like the critical mass is there? Like there are certain game devs that have just come out and said,
Starting point is 00:06:04 we will never support Linux just because of kernel level anti-cheat is essential to our business model and our way of life. and therefore it is simply never going to happen. And you know what? There's going to be a lot of platforms that they can continue to develop for. Windows, they can continue to develop for console. I actually, I don't know the status of anti-cheat on MacOS.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Like, legitimately, I just... I don't know either. Anyone know anything about that? What I do know is Ark Raiders works on Linux. I just keep running into games. Like last week on the show, it was brought up that I was thinking, like, well, I'm going to need a Windows VM or something to play Horizon when it comes out for the Horizon. And then chat was like, no, you're fine, dude. And then I, I, somebody, one of my
Starting point is 00:06:54 buddies, uh, message me and was like, hey, man, we should play Arc Raiders again. And I was like, yeah, I don't know, doing this Linux challenge thing. Give me a sec. And I looked it up. Platinum. It's like, oh, okay, never mind. I don't know if I've talked about this on WAN show, but I wrote a big chunk about it in my notes for Elijah for the, upcoming parts of Linux challenge. We know we owe you guys some videos on that. We have all been using Linux and we've all been making notes. I'm still on there.
Starting point is 00:07:20 But one of the things that I wrote was that I think a huge part of the hurdle for people is that they have in their minds that Linux is replacing Windows for them. And in a lot of ways, it is because it's fulfilling a similar role in their life. life. But hear me out, what if there could be a change in perspective or a change in mindset where instead of thinking about Linux as a replacement for Windows, we think about it as more of like an appliance, more of like a console from a gaming standpoint, from a gaming standpoint, right?
Starting point is 00:08:06 Because that's the perspective of the Linux challenge. It's like, as a gamer, can I switch to Linux? And if you alter your perspective in that way, all of a sudden, you stop thinking, what are the Windows games I can't play? What are the PC games that my PC can't play? And you start thinking more like an Xbox or a PlayStation gamer. From back before everything was cross-platform or whatever, you kind of go, okay, rather than these are the PC games I can't play. These are the Linux games that are available for my console. I run a Linux console.
Starting point is 00:08:42 And to be clear, cross-platform is a very good thing. It's a good thing for consumers. Greater compatibility is a good thing for consumers. I'll always support both of those things. But if you're looking to make a change, when full, complete cross-compatibility of every software forever doesn't yet exist, if you could just flip that little switch in your brain, do you think way more people could just make it?
Starting point is 00:09:08 make the shift. Yeah, I think so. I think for some people, there's like killer apps. I think killer apps are actually more important than people realize. Like, I think Halo being really good was like why Xbox mattered. And then Halo not being very good anymore is why in a lot of cases, Xbox doesn't matter anymore. So if your killer app is compatible, then it's probably fine.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Like, I was really surprised to see the Arc Raiders was totally chill. But there are shooters out there. you know, if you're into Counterstrike, that also works. But I don't think Valerant does. So if you're into Valerant, like this console is not going to be one that you would want, right? So same argument. It's completely fine, but it's just not going to work for you. I think that argument is fine.
Starting point is 00:09:54 It just, yeah, like I said, you fall back on the killer app thing. Yeah, I mean. And I think, I mean, if my experience is anything to go by, you might be surprised. your stuff might work just fine because even your game might have anti-cheat and it might just not be kernel level and thus be fine. Like there is a lot of anti-cheat stuff
Starting point is 00:10:15 that works on Linux. It's fine. I'm going to say something kind of toxic Linux Neckbeard here. Yes, killer apps are totally a thing and I get that. But from a gaming standpoint, do you really need to play that game? This is interesting.
Starting point is 00:10:33 because I suspect if we go back a decent amount of WAN shows, I think you've said the opposite in the past, but you've been probably interested in enjoying your Linux experience enough that you've been slipping now. It's, you know what? I wrote a couple paragraphs about this as well. It's less that I'm enjoying Linux so much, and it's more that...
Starting point is 00:10:54 I know what you're going, and I totally agree. Microsoft is actively pushing me away. Yep. And Microsoft is actively pushing me away, and the Linux experience has gotten so much better since the last time we tried it. There's still a lot of friction for me anyway. I'm experiencing actively experiencing friction on Linux
Starting point is 00:11:14 daily still. I had to a little bit this past week. But it was solvable. But I was shooting an AMD ultimate tech upgrade earlier this week. And it was actually for one of our members of the business team, Sven. He lives in the coolest mom's basement of all times.
Starting point is 00:11:33 seriously like at one point in the video I'm just like dude our audience is gonna hate you and he's like why I'm like because you have so much cool shit like seriously it is like the best it's so cool and he even has a girlfriend like he's got his CRT his all his modern consoles all his vinals all his collectibles a girl like he's living his best life and I think people are just gonna I I I I I don't think people can handle it right now. Anyway, so you guys should watch the video because Sven's energy is, he's just kind of like low-key cool. No, he's still.
Starting point is 00:12:12 And we had a really great time shooting together, but where was it going? Right. So we swapped out as motherboard and CPU because the series is obviously sponsored by AMD. It's an AMD ultimate tech upgrade. So we threw a 9800 X3D in there. And to go with his, he didn't upgrade his GPU, but like that's fine. You could still get some more FPS. and we went to fire up the machine
Starting point is 00:12:35 so we could just get some B-roll of him gaming, vibing, enjoying his new system, and fucking Microsoft. It did the thing where it's like your pin is not available right now. What are you talking about? What does that even mean? Imagine it. Imagine I roll up at the bank.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Okay, I'm at the Costco. I don't have. a master card. I pull out my debit card, which is my last resort, cut my life into pieces, and I put it in the machine. It goes, sorry, sir, your pins not available right now. What the fuck does that mean? That doesn't mean anything. So, so, so we're going through this and we have to like, we had to switch which network adapter we were plugged into so we could get an internet connection so that he could log into his Microsoft account with his actual password and then do his 2FA and then put his pin and it's like
Starting point is 00:13:36 bro this is my computer i'm trying to use it you know get out of my way and Microsoft just can't yeah they can't help it yeah like so the the thing that i ran into this actually before we forget i want to jump back to this on for onronics again yeah uh they pointed out that part of the jump appears to be because Valve corrected for Steam China numbers. So Simplified Chinese went down by 31.85%. And then that shifted a lot of other things. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:14:07 Because of those users being removed from the survey and that I guess indirectly resulted in Linux numbers jumping. So pirated Windows is more popular than not pirated Windows is what I'm reading here. Because if you take out a market
Starting point is 00:14:25 that, I mean, we all know software piracy in China kind of a thing huge yeah um all of a sudden the appeal of windows goes way down when you go to the more western markets where piracy might not be quite as rampant wonder like is is steam deck
Starting point is 00:14:43 significantly more popular in western countries I could see that non not China basically a steam deck at least at the beginning was not your only computer right like it's a it's a superfluous It's a luxury purchase. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Even though it's a, it's, look, I've talked extensively about this in the past. It is a heck of a machine for the price that Valve managed to do it at. Like, serious kudos to them for making it so accessible. But it is a luxury purchase. It's, its sole reason for existing was to play games on a teeny tiny little screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:19 If I lived somewhere that I didn't have Western income, then it would be less likely for me to buy, something like that versus like the one computer that I probably already have. So yeah, no, I could see the Steam Deck being less popular. I also don't know if it launched in China at the beginning. I have no idea. No idea. But yeah, it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Now, back to the Linux challenge stuff. I had an experience where we were kind of talking about this a little bit earlier, but both of my hard drives here. Oh, never is the answer. It has never had an official direct release in mainland China. Okay, yeah. So regardless of its status as a luxury. purchase or not, it just doesn't exist there. So it's probably not contributing to the numbers
Starting point is 00:16:02 at all. Okay, cool. Carry on. Sorry. Both of my hard drives are dying. I had some indication that this might have been, you know, starting a while ago. The hard drive started to get a little bit louder, but it wasn't that bad. And then within the last week, cries of pain started happening. I was like explaining to Emma that I had to buy annoyingly expensive hard drives and I was like complaining about it. And she was like, well, do you like have to you right now? And I was like, you're coming with me. And then I walked over to my computer and just listen, just listen.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Not, not, almost nothing's even happening right now and just listen. And she's like, oh yeah, you need those like now. She doesn't even know anything about computers and she's like, there's just no way that's right. It sounds like there's a tiny hammer in my computer. It's just not good. Nice. And part of that process was that I started moving a bunch of data around. because I'm like, oh, okay, well, you know, I don't have like super mission critical stuff on here.
Starting point is 00:17:02 It's mostly a game drive and then a like dump drive that I just do random tasks on. But there are things on here that would kind of suck to lose. So let's make sure I shuffle stuff around and if these do die before the new drives come in. Or if they die during a data transfer to the new drives or whatever, I'm going to feel less bad about it. And in doing that, I wanted to format one of the drives because I have, also read. So up until now, I have kept my game drive exactly as it was when I was on Windows, meaning my game drive was NTFS. But I have read that proton struggles with NDFS a lot. I've read that too. So I was like, okay, I don't actually know how to pronounce it. Some people
Starting point is 00:17:46 have laughed at me pronouncing it this way, but my OS is drive is butterFS, BTRFS. I've heard it called butterFS. Is that wrong? You might have heard that from me. I've heard better FS as well, but that seems probably like a fanboy nickname. I just thought it was funny to call it Buddha FS, buta. I'm using Buddha FS. Whatever, that thing is my OS drive. But I was looking at some stuff trying to learn some things, and it sounded like for a game drive,
Starting point is 00:18:12 they don't necessarily care that much about like rollbacks and stuff on, like the reasons why I wanted to do it for my operating system drive. It's less important. So I went the Exti4. And trying to do that was pretty annoying. I'm just going to be honest. The process was pretty annoying. Even like I did a huge transfer off of one of the drives to another and I just copy and paste
Starting point is 00:18:35 it in the GUI. And then I noticed just like visually that like I don't think all the files are there. And then I did some diving and like a ton of the files didn't get transferred. And I started looking into it. And the predominant answer was like, why are you using a GUI for this? I'm like, bruh. It's copy and pasting files. Like, come on.
Starting point is 00:18:56 I can imagine there being like cooler, better ways, but like I shouldn't have to like command line R sync to just copy and paste some folders from one drive to another. Yeah. And then I went through that and like, I don't love that experience, but it's fine. I can do it. I just shouldn't have to. It's funny. I actually cheated during the Linux challenge because I had to transfer some files. and they were coming off of an SD card that was just in a random device.
Starting point is 00:19:28 It was in a tentacle sink, an audio recorder. And my Linux laptop, when I was on vacation, like, absolutely diarrhea all over itself, trying to read and copy it. Like, it was really scary. It not only, like, didn't work to copy it, but it, like, told me it was corrupted. Oh. And it, 100% wasn't. I put it in Yvonne's laptop, her Windows laptop, and it just,
Starting point is 00:19:52 immediately worked and I was able to upload it to drive. And I suspect it's down to the file system that was on it. It definitely could be. And I had that same suspicion as well. And then I tried command line R-sync. It also didn't work. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Same thing happened. Certain files didn't get transferred. Well, see, this is something that I've always found. And, okay, I'm probably going to reveal some sort of horrible ignorance that people will mock me for. but hey, it's the WAN show, baby. This is something that I have never really understood. Why is doing it through a GUI different?
Starting point is 00:20:33 For something like file copies, why does it not just do the exact same thing behind the GUI? Why does it matter if I drag them like this or I typed a thing like this? I'm just going to address chat really quick. It wasn't file ownership permissions. I think it was just erroring often. I think maybe due to something with NTFS,
Starting point is 00:20:53 I'm getting into areas that I don't understand. But the way that I was able to solve it was I, instead of transferring the entire drive at once, I went through and did one major folder at a time, gooey, and it worked fine. I just had to, like, kind of baby it. And then I got everything. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:11 It just kind of sucked. I couldn't do the whole thing at once. But, yeah, I mean, I can understand there's a lot of little options. and tweaks and things like, R Sync has a lot of control over how you want to do the transfer and stuff. But then like, shouldn't it probably assume... Do you want it to ignore certain errors?
Starting point is 00:21:31 Do you want it not to? Shouldn't it probably assume the way I want it to do the transfer is to get the fucking files from here to there for the most part? I don't know. I was pretty surprised by that problem. I do suspect it's just like Linux not playing nice with NTFS. Okay. And then once the drive was on EXD4,
Starting point is 00:21:53 I did not have similar problems. Okay. So I haven't used it extensively yet, but I suspect it's just like, okay, I'm trying to bring my Windows drives around with me still. And my initial very light amount of research being like, can I just leave everything how it was on Windows? Yeah. Was like, the answer was yes.
Starting point is 00:22:15 And clearly it worked for over a month. Yeah. So it is kind of yes. Right. But it's more yes. Asterisk, there might be some problems. Yes. temporarily, yes, kind of like
Starting point is 00:22:25 when I downloaded that beta build of Baslite with the Steam Deck experience for Nvidia, where it was like, yes, but it probably should have had a much larger asterisk, and it does now, so no one will make the same mistake that I did.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Isaac Fignut and says, even within Windows, I only do parts of libraries at a time, the file transfer F's up all the time. I don't have that experience, to be completely honest. It depends. I know it's like a thing that can happen, but I have not ran into that. With the slower your device, and I mean both the storage and compute, the more chance that it will just like trip over itself and bung itself up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Windows Explorer is not the most stable piece of software on the face of the earth. I think that's a non-controversial take. Um, so I can totally see that. And I have to give it credit of once I finished the whole process, which was pretty annoying, but once I finished the whole process and got it onto the EXD4, then everything seemed to be fine. But you said your drives were dying, definitely could have contributed to the errors. Yeah, I would have liked it to have been handled better, though. Like for to, I might have missed something, I don't know. I think what happened.
Starting point is 00:23:39 That was such a good Karen line. I'm going to use that someday. I might have missed something. I would have liked for it to have been handled better. Yeah. No, but what I mean by that is like when I did the file transfer thing, if it did error, if there was problems, it should just tell me. I did the transfer, but I missed
Starting point is 00:23:55 100,000 files, because that's, like, the magnitude to which it was off. You missed 100,000 of the shots you didn't take. And if it could tell me, like, hey, these folders got transferred fine, these, like, top-level folders got transferred fine. I would have been nice to know to... I wonder if the same developer went to work on
Starting point is 00:24:12 Apple's transfer-to-IOS feature. It just misses... Did I ever show you the screenshots from that that I got? Where it was like, it's like 40,000 files, and it transferred like two dozen or something like that. I think you did. Why did you even try at that point? You should have just not bothered.
Starting point is 00:24:27 But yeah. So I think using, I even heard from people who are like hyper Linux pilled and been using Linux for freaking 20 years. And I asked them about the NTFS thing. And they're like, yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:24:39 it's probably fine. But they haven't used it. Because why would they? I think that's something that is easy for super Linux pilled people to miss is that there's a lot of things that it's the curse of knowledge right yeah that they know and intuitively do that is best practice on Linux oh and that someone did a work around just in case you don't do it that way but it hasn't been validated it hasn't been tested across every distro it hasn't been tested across every desktop environment it hasn't been tested across every
Starting point is 00:25:15 dumb user sorry i should have pointed it myself uh i mean it counts and it hasn't And it hasn't been tested across every hardware config, right? I even think, I have a, okay, tinfoil hat fully on. Yeah. My drives were dying already. Yeah. I think the Linux challenge accelerated it. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Because, yeah, why would both die at the same time? Both started dying. Well, the games drive is the main one having problems, but both have bad sectors. But the games drive has like four times the bad sectors is the other one. But like, would anything about your, would anything about your file system being not Linux compatible, make it thrash more? Here's the thing is apparently Proton doesn't play nice with
Starting point is 00:25:56 NTFS, and it's the Games Drive that is suffering more than the other one. Now, the Games Drive just gets more use and always did. Yeah, because... So I don't know how fair this is. I could just be completely off. He's a gamer, folks. He's a gamer, ladies and gentlemen. But I, there's like, you know, Slaithspire 2.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Yeah. So that's a smaller, slower game. So, okay, that can be installed on my hard drive games drive. That's been open a lot. Right, right, right, right. So has proton been thrashing more because it doesn't play nice with NTFS? Literally don't know. I have literally no idea, but I have a thought.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Have you pulled the smart data? I have, I haven't dove really deep into it. I just know that there are bad sectors. The Linux NTFS driver is reverse engineered and barely works. The stuff Proton tries to do with it will 100% cause file system corruption. Says on a hikeage. Yeah. So that was not, when I did my not enough,
Starting point is 00:26:49 research and I'm accepting that. I basically Googled, can I, can I keep my Windows NTFS drive on Linux to play games? And it was like, yeah. Okay. And you know what's really funny is because as much shit as I got for settling on PopOS after Googling it and asking an LLM, I actually did find that. I knew that. Which is why I did a completely fresh install on every
Starting point is 00:27:12 single one of my systems and didn't try to keep any of my games drives. Yeah, yeah. Even though I do have one. And to be clear. I was just like, I'm not going to use this, because, and, oh, sorry, go ahead. It was fine. Except when it wasn't. For a month. How much did it cost you?
Starting point is 00:27:28 Maybe a drive. Well, no, the drives were already going down. The drives already had bad sectors. It was like, I just didn't think it was quite time to replace them yet. They're really big drives. So them having a few bad sectors is like not the end of the world. It might have accelerated it. I was going to have to replace them anyways.
Starting point is 00:27:46 And like it did function. So they were right about it, function. Yeah. But yeah. I don't know. Also, another thing that I did this week, I talked about how I talked about how I might want to do this. I removed my desktop environment and installed the new one.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Yeah. I came across a funny thread somewhere. I forget why I was even reading about this, but it was like, can we stop calling them distros? A distro is just, you know, the desktop environment and it's this and it's this and it's a package manager and it's this and it's this and they're all they're all interchangeable anyway and blah blah blah blah and it's like okay okay okay captain pedantic i mean you want to go you want to go full pedant um then you kind of have to come full circle around to you know what even is the linux operating system it's a desktop environment and a package manager it's all these things
Starting point is 00:28:46 So like, you wouldn't have. You can't just call the Linux kernel, the Linux operating system. In order to be an operating system, it has to have all these things. So, no, Uno Reverse. Is that true? It doesn't need a desktop environment. Okay, it doesn't need a desktop environment. This is where the...
Starting point is 00:29:03 Does it need a package? No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Okay. Hold on. What does it need? It's going to need something. So now we're coming all the way back around.
Starting point is 00:29:13 No! Defeated. Amazing. But yeah, that, it's funny because, like, fighting through NTFS was really annoying. Right. And then I came out on the other end, and I haven't used my computer since I did that enough to, like, really know. But it seems like it's actually a lot better in a few ways, and now my hard drive is just like dead. But, oh, well, it was already dying.
Starting point is 00:29:34 It is what it is. Replacing my entire desktop environment was so easy. I was actually just, like, stunned. It was wild. Well, I know on installing it is easy. You could do that without even meaning to do it at all. But yeah, I can. I mean, maybe you're not that good.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Oh, wow, yeah, that's fair. So I replaced, I got rid of cinnamon and it's like gone. I completely removed it. Yeah. I kept Hyperland, but I'm not actively really using it. And I installed KDE. Cool. And I am now even more.
Starting point is 00:30:13 strongly of the opinion that if you just want your thing to be smooth and to work, you should probably install mint and cinnamon. KDE is sick and I'm happy it's on my desktop and I think I'm also happy it's not on my laptop. Mint and cinnamon is just such I'm like not surprised. It's interesting because it doesn't really get talked about that much. Like if you look into the what should I run right now on computers everybody is going yeah screw you Dan. Everybody is going. Everybody is going like, oh, run like Bazzyte or Cashy and run, you know, KDE on top of them and and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:30:52 And then we look at the Steam Hardware Survey and like a lot of it's mint. Yep, an arch. Arch is up there and Arch is cachey and SteamOS, which is where a ton of that is coming from. But I think just the like ease, man. Like there's, I really have enjoyed KD so far. It feels like the correct choice on my laptop. it feels like the correct choice to go along with cachey sorry correct choice on my desktop yep it feels like the correct choice to go on with cashy the things that i'm trying to do on my
Starting point is 00:31:21 desktop kd has been fantastic i really like the experience um but like it doesn't feel like the if you want it depends on what you're min-maxing for if you're min-maxing for less problems you just kind of want things to work uh you want the tools to just kind of be the There you want it to feel like what you're used to and you come from windows. Mint and cinnamon is just a fantastic combo. It's honestly just amazing. My laptop never has any problems. It is completely rock solid heart touching.
Starting point is 00:31:58 It's amazing. Why don't we talk about some other amazing news? Sure. It's all good news this week. Yeah. How about, uh, and KDE is based. It's just they're more bleeding edge,
Starting point is 00:32:08 they're more performance pushing, all that kind of stuff. And that comes with some fairly minor problems, ones that I'm happy to deal with on my desktop. But yeah. How about some good news for consumers who might have been looking to build or upgrade a PC? Want to talk about that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:23 DDR5 pricing in China faces, this is a quote from, I think it's WCCF Tech said this, faces a complete collapse with shifting markets. Let's go. This has mainly seemed to have been triggered by the release of Google's turboquant. want. Really? The timing doesn't look like a coincidence. However, I actually recorded a whole LTT video yesterday that was just like a, it was kind of a spur of the moment.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I have some thoughts on this where I look at sort of a longer term trend that we can trace back to, like, all the way back to about mid to three quarters of the way through last year of the bubble kind of. kind of already starting to unravel, to mix my metaphors up a little bit. I think that TurboQuant kind of like when DeepSeek landed is just, it's really headline grabbing and it's taken the fears that are already in the backs of memory manufacturers of memory suppliers' minds about like whether this whole thing is actually really going to just go to the moon forever. Artemis style. And it has caused, it has taken that fear and brought it to the front of the mind and turned
Starting point is 00:33:49 it into panic a little bit. I thought, I'm like, I don't know, but I thought it was the Sam Altman comments, them not following through on their RAM purchases. Well, it happened right around the same time. Yeah. So it's like, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a combo. It's definitely a combo. Taiwan outlet UDN reports that RAM prices in China have dropped more than 30%.
Starting point is 00:34:10 And there are even some. signs that prices are dropping in the U.S. as well. As part of the video that I was working on yesterday, here we go. Okay, look, is it back to normal yet? No. But guys, don't bite a progress gift horse in the mouth, okay? I do worry a little bit that's going to be kind of like the GPU situation where the price went up and then they were just like, eh. Well, here's the thing, though. I think people are actually just not buying stuff right now. GPUs are a effectively a monopoly. Nvidia just decides how much a certain amount of FPS costs,
Starting point is 00:34:48 and then AMD and to a lesser extent to Intel. I actually really respect what Intel has done and how scrappy they've been, trying to make Arc Battle Mage appealing and make it make sense for gamers at a reasonable budget. But AMD certainly basically just go, oh yes, yes, Nvidia, thank you for determining what GPUs are worth in the market. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:35:10 And they just kind of price their GPUs, lockstep with invidia whereas ram has actual competition to a degree have there been some price fixing scandals over the years yes but at the end of the day are all
Starting point is 00:35:26 of the major players building out large fabs with huge capacity that have to run and therefore are commodified effectively meaning that if demand drops pricing will drop also yes
Starting point is 00:35:40 RAM is a commodity still. There is competition still. And so in the exact same way that we've seen it spike before, I think we will absolutely see it crash again. There's no question whatsoever. That's good to hear. And as part of the video yesterday, I was also looking at a couple of other regions.
Starting point is 00:36:01 I looked at Canada. Canada actually started dipping a little bit before the states. Germany has started dipping as well. So I didn't look too far beyond that because I kind of went, okay, well, China, Germany, Canada, US, that gets me around the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clearly, this isn't just one retailer running a promo at that point. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:23 None of this means that the shortage is over. None of this means that pricing is going to immediately go back to where it was. There has objectively been an uptick in data center spending on hardware that will impact pricing to a certain degree. Yep. And the AI buildout is not going to stop. Yeah. But one of the things I get into in the video is how I think that it won't necessarily just continue to flywheel completely out of control. Because it seems like the bean counters are finally kind of going, hold on a second.
Starting point is 00:37:02 How many beans are left? Can we really afford to trade all of our beans? for computer memory. And I, for one, am extremely excited for five years from now when all of these data centers are out of date and make absolutely no sense to keep running with energy pricing being what it is. And I can get like a couple cool AI cards
Starting point is 00:37:26 and put them in like smash champs for like cool computer vision. Yeah, some of those AI cards are weird. Yeah, but I mean they should do AI, right? I don't know if they're going to slot into your desktop computer though. I don't know. It doesn't need to be a desktop. computer. Oh, okay. I mean, look, they're going to be dismantling these things. Who's going to take them? Yeah, that'll be really interesting. Like, man, that's another, that's another video I want to make.
Starting point is 00:37:48 What is the format of those GPUs that are like a tower? What is that called? Oh, for crying out loud. I forget what it's called. We saw it on the recent Nvidia Data Center tour. Yeah. Someone, someone tell me what they're called. SM something. SXM. SXM. SXM. Yeah. Those cards, like, but here's the thing okay so did i talk on wenchow already i can never tell the difference between when i talked about something on wancho and when i um did a video scrum and laid out an outline for a topic sure so stop me if i've talked about this before but a major tragedy right now is the way that data center hardware no longer trickles down to consumers how it used to. Like remember how buying a couple generation old zion was like the hack
Starting point is 00:38:42 to getting sick a sick gaming desktop? What am I looking at here? Was this an adapter? Yo! Okay, yes, that's a thing. All right, I'm a little more excited about the future now. That's sick.
Starting point is 00:38:57 I did. Okay, did I talk about this already? Okay, I talked about this already. But one of the things that will happen, because it has to go somewhere. Like, these giant, just, money is no object data centers full of tens and tens and tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of GPUs. Like, it's not like they're just going to, you know, grind them up to make their bread. Like, they're going to do something with them. And so I, I think Home Lab is going to have an absolute, like, revolution in five years.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Dude, an XXM to PCI adapted. data center card in my house sounds freaking sweet. Yeah. That sounds awesome. Yeah. Why only one? And the RAM. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:41 That sounds like fun tinker. Oh, well, the, it's based, might be. The RAM will be salvageable. The RAM will be salvageable. The Riser card? I bet you could liquid cool it so you don't have to deal with the noise. Because these things are like up to, like, 800 or even more. Why?
Starting point is 00:39:54 It's crazy. Yeah, they're crazy. Mr. O Mutt says Wendell's going to buy it all. I don't know. And Wendell, Wendell's pretty, he likes to be on the cutting edge. I think he might just have the newer stuff at that point. Mineral oil cooling would be super cool, John B.R. But yeah, I'm, I'm...
Starting point is 00:40:18 It's a lot of wattage to mineral oil cool. It's... I'm excited. I'm super excited. And I think it's, I think it's happening. I, and... Yeah. Well, I think we're starting to...
Starting point is 00:40:31 I'm really glad because... I've taken kind of a this is temporary stance on this and I've kind of taken some flack for that I thought it was going to take longer than this why aren't you advocating for consumers more why don't you see Micron pulling out of the consumer market
Starting point is 00:40:50 as like this terrible terrible terrible thing and I guess it's just because I've been through so many cycles like RAM RAM is like this man it's always up and down and up and down and this time it was it was kind it was like a big cycle. Like this was and and it really,
Starting point is 00:41:08 it happened really suddenly. Maybe that's, and it, and it was a really awful timing. Right in the holiday season, man. Like it just, there were so many things about it that just sucked. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:19 At the same time though, like, I don't know, I do think it's a signal. I am very hopeful, all that kind of stuff. But like if we look at, people have been talking about Micron's stock price.
Starting point is 00:41:29 Yeah. If we look at Micron, their their they're uh they're one year yeah 3992% year to date 16% six months 94% but tulip mania happened over a span of half a decade though over the last month they're only three and a half percent down these things okay but but but remember once once tulips started to fall no i hear you like here here this this screenshot this screenshot is actually um i just don't I'm not 100% convinced it's happening right now. This screenshot is in the video.
Starting point is 00:42:06 Yeah. Tulip bulbs, 1699 Canadian. Once they started to crash, once the house of card starts to collapse, it can happen really fast. Apparently, this didn't make it into the video because I just read it last night. But just because a company is not a public company doesn't mean that shares can't be traded. And apparently, this is scuttle butt, but apparently, Open AI shares are becoming quite illiquid, quite difficult to sell.
Starting point is 00:42:36 And one of the things that I kind of lay out is that I see OpenAI as a very Dropbox-like character in this new version of the same movie we've watched over and over and over again. Dropbox was a first mover and a huge name in cloud storage in the early days of The Cloud. back when that was the stupid keyword du jour that you couldn't see a slideshow without having it plastered all over everything, right? And what they did was the classic Silicon Valley playbook. They got a bunch of money. They used it to acquire an enormous user base. And they focused on, you know, one admittedly super cool and innovative thing.
Starting point is 00:43:22 And then they tried to convert that user base to a paid user base. it didn't go too great and then the incumbents the big players ultimately ate their lunch and I mean show of hands who has the Dropbox app
Starting point is 00:43:36 installed on their computer or phone anyone? I think your hand can be up because we use it for like scripts or something right? Bueller? Not anymore. Oh. Dan, Dan apparently has drop, you still use Dropbox.
Starting point is 00:43:49 I do? What do you like about it? I used to use it more before I had the NAS. God. bottom. The internal sink was great. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:43:58 It's just good. Yeah, quality product. It's just fine. Nothing wrong with it? Nope. But there's also no question that... Do you pay for it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Apple and Google and Microsoft have overall won that war. And so I see OpenAI as being in a very similar kind of position where they were a first mover, a very early mover, a big innovator, great brand presence, huge user base. but are they really going to take that and go from losing billions and billions of dollars a quarter to making billions and billions of dollars a quarter? Really? Yeah. Or is it going to be Google?
Starting point is 00:44:43 Dropbox is not that cheap. No, because it isn't, right? It never was. It was always, the whole thing was always fake. It was always VC money subsidizing you to have it for cheap so that you could get locked in later. Whether it's Dropbox or Uber or for, American Adobe. Actually, no, in that case, it was just
Starting point is 00:45:03 Adobe's giant boatloads of money from selling expensive software that they converted into even giant or boatloads of money from selling subscriptions. So that was a different model. Slightly different. Yeah, yeah, Discord is another example from Pankrats in the chat.
Starting point is 00:45:20 So because of all of these, this really does, the video does, I admit, have a little bit of like string on a bulletin board energy. But I'm just seeing a lot of signals. And there are signals the other way. Like, Nvidia's only down a little. Yeah. Google's only down a little, right?
Starting point is 00:45:41 And I point out these things. Like there are ones that are that, you know, their stock prices is not impacted in any way. Invita's, I guess they're down. Okay. Relatively little. Not the last five days, but over the last six months, one month, yes. Compared to like Oracle, and then there was another one that I, that I was using as kind of like a proxy for AI companies as well.
Starting point is 00:46:03 And, and, but the difference is that the companies that are only down a little have real revenue. Yeah. And like real businesses other than just like, rah, rah, raw, raw, AI. What if you, what if you put AI in your video so that you could make video with AI? And what if you did AI in your butt and then your butt could be intelligent? Like, just everything's AI. Just put AI in everything. Like, it's...
Starting point is 00:46:29 Like, Nvidia has an identity other than AI, and so does a company like Alphabet. I feel like I need a South Park episode on But AI. I mean, do you know for sure they haven't done one? No. I didn't watch the entire last season. It's possible. It's testing like the sort of thing they might do.
Starting point is 00:46:46 We go all the way back to season one episode one, and the aliens just put AI in his butt instead of a big satellite dish. Um, what do you want to jump to now? You know what? I'd like to take a moment and say to everyone who is upset about Good News Wandshow month, don't worry, it's temporary. We're going to, we're going to go back to just kind of doing everything after April. But so far, it's been kind of nice.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I'm actually having way more fun. Yeah, I'm not like angry. Yeah. I really like Good News Wandshow so far. Yeah. Yeah. I feel happier today because we're doing Good News Wandshow. Want to pick something?
Starting point is 00:47:34 Yeah. Do you feel more excited to pick a topic? Yeah, kind of. Me too. Yeah. Like I scrolled through and saw a few options I wanted to talk about and landed on one that felt very in tone with what you were just saying. When's the last time that happened?
Starting point is 00:47:47 It's a very long time. No, but really? And I'm not even using a cop out and talking about Artemis. Think about that. That's crazy. I found another topic. It sounds really fun to talk about. That's actually unhinged.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Yeah. Okay. Yeah, do it then. Someone made a website for scheduling play sessions to revive old multiplayer games. Okay. Called game date. This is so cool. This isn't necessarily new, but I don't think we've talked about it on WAN Show before.
Starting point is 00:48:13 YouTube Batti built game date. I think it's just YouTuber Batty. B-A-T-T-Y. Built Game Date. A free anonymous scheduling platform. for dead or underpopulated multiplayer games. People are already scheduling sessions for things like Unreal Tournament 2004, Battlefront 2, like the original one I'm assuming,
Starting point is 00:48:34 Crisis Wars and Blur. Oh, cool, yeah. The site recently added a full discussion board with image board style features, including green text, quote links, and a smugglers den section specifically for surfacing useful info, like server IPs, mods, patches, fans translations, stuff like that to improve the experience. And that's, you know, normally buried in private Discord servers,
Starting point is 00:48:58 but is now easier to access. And also, it looks amazing. Discuss. Is this not so freaking cool? So cool, dude. I think that's awesome, because one of the big problems with these old games is they go in a self-fulfilling death spiral,
Starting point is 00:49:18 where there's a few less people on every time. And the server that you like jumping on, nobody's there so you don't log on. And nobody's at exactly the same level as you. So no one else logs on. And then it just kind of spirals down. And this way you can kind of just spark some fun experiences, playing some old games.
Starting point is 00:49:34 Because a lot of these old multiplayer games are still awesome. They just don't have the mass that they used to have. Yeah. And I love that you brought up the issue with useful information being buried in a Discord because... That's from the doc, but yeah. I know. But I'm glad you brought it up because we actually...
Starting point is 00:49:52 I forget who I was talking to about it in the office earlier this week, but the way that so much support and product and software information has moved into Discord. It's like, hey, do you like my project? Come join my Discord and we talk about it. And then it just eventually gets wiped. And I was talking about how like when Pencratz, Pencratz did the bulk of the work getting that old VR headset to work, the Forte or whatever it was called.
Starting point is 00:50:22 when we did that video on it. And the only way that he was able to do that was by digging up old documentation and old discussion around it. And we're in the, we're going to be in this like, this information gap, I think, right now. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:40 When all these, this exchange of information is happening on a platform that by its very nature will, is, is impermanent. And then this, this. I'm not going to lie, I saw this work off Three-forged Legion TD new blobby And I was like, oh Yeah
Starting point is 00:50:56 Being able to jump into a Warcraft 3 custom game And be decently confident that like, you know, based on whatever comments or other people signing up Or however this works, that other people are going to be there sounds awesome. That is so cool. I think we're going to lose a bunch of the stream right now though
Starting point is 00:51:12 Because like how could they not How could they not go play Frickin, I don't know, man? Dragon Ball Fighter Z party mode six-player 3V-3 tag. Like just how freaking social does this look?
Starting point is 00:51:29 Like remember when games weren't necessarily about maximum sweat? Yeah. Yeah. And you could just like play, you could jump into a random game. People are like playing jackbox and stuff like just
Starting point is 00:51:42 mingling. God, it looks like feels really cool to use. I know. It just feels awesome. It's delightfully. retro. Yeah. Steam 2004, if I remember correctly, something like that. Yeah, that's definitely the vibe that I'm for sure. So cool, man. Really cool. And there's a decent amount. I would really highly encourage people to at least check this out. There's a decent amount of like game date sessions on here that don't have a ton of signups yet, but they look for like really cool games. So maybe, maybe jump on and go have some fun. Yeah, you guys should, you should go check it out because what do you have to lose? just do something different, do something new.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Man, I feel like between doom scrolling on my phone or being locked in on just that one game I play, I feel like the variety in my life was kind of reduced for a bit. Oh, yeah. That's one of the reasons that I, when I was on vacation recently, I had one day before we went to South Korea with the family, and then I had two days when I got back. back for me to be on vacation.
Starting point is 00:52:54 And so on the day before I left, I ordered a bunch of parts for that RC car that I've wanted to fix. And then when I got back, I was just like, I'm going to, I'm going to fix this, I'm going to fix this RC car. Dude, I refilled my shocks earlier this week. And it turns out that oil-filled shocks should definitely have oil in them. Yeah, I didn't know it was, I didn't know it was just all completely gone. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Yeah, it was just completely empty. and it's one of those things that changes so slowly that you press on them and you go I mean yeah the springs are on there that's a shock right and I don't have a ton of context for it I don't have a whole bunch of RC cars I don't go out to the track and you know
Starting point is 00:53:33 compare with other people I'm just like yeah it seems like I have shocks so no it turns out that's why my skid plays kept breaking on the front was because I effectively didn't have any flipping I didn't have any damping on the shocks right yeah yeah so one of the four leaks but that's half the fun
Starting point is 00:53:49 I'm gonna open it back up I'm going to put better grease on the O ring. Sure. And then I'm going to seal it back up and I'm going to take it. And the ones that I have, it's for the Armagh granite 4x4 mega 550 or something like that. The point is I'm just, I'm just for the RC nerds that are like, I probably did it wrong, they're known to be bad. The shocks are like known to be leaky and bad.
Starting point is 00:54:12 So at the same time as I ordered new fluid and like did the rebuild on all of these ones, I actually have new shocks in the mail. But it wasn't about that. It was about just doing something flipping different. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Moving on. Yeah, oh, this.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Dan has a thing. Oh. Yeah, you were actually excited to talk about something. I was. And so we got like, dude, it's like this, Wancho feels new again. I'm enjoying it. Yeah, we'll see what people think.
Starting point is 00:54:50 And it'll be interesting, like, maybe we can retain at least part of this past April. Yeah, maybe we could have a, maybe we could have a quota. Minimum amount of, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah. All right. We'll call it the, uh, no. Nope.
Starting point is 00:55:05 Nope. I was trying to think of something that would like be DEI or something like the DEI or something like the DEI WAN show. Uh-huh. Yeah, neither of us would be hosting it though, I suppose. Well, yeah, I mean, what? him? You gotta be kidding me. Another white dude with a beard? We've hit the beard quota.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Sorry. All right. We're doing great. This week we launched the Not a Bug t-shirt. This is what happens when you say, not a bug, it's a feature a bit too many times. So the designers decided to make a cool graphic T out of it. It's like textured. Yeah, it's pretty sick. It's a detailed wasp,
Starting point is 00:55:51 but it has like kind of circuitry built into it so it ends up looking like a literal digital bug and as always it's printed on our classic polyblende t-shirt so it's super soft drapes nicely and is durable oh hold on
Starting point is 00:56:07 Luke cam it says it says non a what does that say is that not a bug it's a what it's Latin it's Latin I can't read Latin.
Starting point is 00:56:23 Latin. What does that say? I sort of figured out. I had context clues out. Terrible education in Canada. Do we say what it means on here? We just don't. It's got a Latin on it.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Well, we have a form of the English translation. It's not a bug. It's a feature. Oh, what the heck? Okay, sure. Yeah, fine. You can kind of suss your way through it a little bit. The Symex or whatever, that one, I had no idea what that word was.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Okay. 3499 USD 2999 CAD on the global site Get yours today By the way Oh, I should probably actually check A lot of people
Starting point is 00:56:59 I think this was probably Our most successful April fools Since the We sold our company to Nvidia Like really really old one In terms of fooling people The number of people
Starting point is 00:57:12 That were like super angry About us doing an ICO like rugpole thing Oh, really? Was significant. And the number of people that thought that the coin was not real was very significant. The coin is real. Linus coin is real.
Starting point is 00:57:33 You just, you buy it. It's 20 U.S. dollars or 30 U.S. dollars. You will. 20 U.S. dollars or 30 Canadian dollars. Sorry, 20 U.S. dollars or 30 Canadian dollars. You buy it. You get this challenge coin in the mail. It's big.
Starting point is 00:57:47 chunky, it's really cool, and then you get a credit on the store for double the value of the coin. So if you were going to buy anything in the next little bit, you should just buy the coin because you get double the value in gift card of what you spent on the coin. So it's basically free real estate. I got a message earlier. Do you get to keep the coin? Yes. Yeah. The coin is just for you for keeps for fun. It's just a cool challenge. coin you can flip it when you want to make a decision or whatever it's just a cool little collectible um it's one per household but we've already sold through so many of them that i think we're down to about the last thousand so we were um we were originally going to do 10,000 which is how many we minted ahead of time
Starting point is 00:58:36 and then like three days before i got to give massive credit to the creator warehouse engineering team as well as the operations team for for pivoting and getting this done I was like let's do more so we opened up another 10,000 orders but we're going to get those minted over the next little bit and then it'll it'll ship when it ships so we're doing 20,000 but I think we've moved through about 19,000 so if you want to get one
Starting point is 00:59:07 it's a gift card it's a discounted gift card it's a cool collectible gift card free collectible coin um Stephen Jay asks, is this a way for you to get an income stream to afford the jet? Most certainly not. It'll help with cash flow, but what I can tell you based on that this has a cost to us. Like, this is made of, it's made of scrap metal. Like, there were nuggets of truth in the April Fool's video. Like, the fact that it's made of melted down waste zinc housings from our original screwdriver supplier, that's 100% true. We got screwed over on the shafts and we got screwed over on the housings.
Starting point is 00:59:49 It really blew chunks. Obviously, we've done okay. We survived it. It wasn't a critical hit. But they're made of leftover remains of the original 100,000 screwdriver order, like bungled up production. And they were done by a partner down in the States. So we jokingly refer to them as the 11th province in the video, you know, a little bit at Uno reverse there.
Starting point is 01:00:15 But yeah, they were actually minted onshore, which I think is really cool. So they do have like an actual cost. And then we're taking what you guys are paying for it. And then we're giving double that in credit. So it doesn't take a mathematical genius to know that we are not making money on this part of the transaction. If you guys want the inside baseball, I can tell you that our hope is that after buying a $20 coin or sorry, a $40 coin for $20. you will spend more than the $40 and maybe buy something that's not on
Starting point is 01:00:50 like mega ultra discount you know and load up your cart and you know maybe we'll make some maybe we'll make something on it but if you were to buy the coin for $20 and then buy a $40 item then like no we're no we're not no we're not that will not help us pay for anything
Starting point is 01:01:06 that will just be it'll be fun it'll be for the lulls it'll be a good time good times are had by all that's about it oh nice right if you're going to pick up a coin or one of the new shirts or really I mean anything on the store there's so much man there's so much good stuff on the store these days
Starting point is 01:01:24 oh right holy crap have we even talked about oh wait no we did talk about these we talked about these last week okay good yeah fine flexible magnetic cable management now is a great time to do it because during the show we do our checkout messages and it's a great way to interact with the show we don't want people just throwing money at their screens quite frankly I think based on the video that went up the other day.
Starting point is 01:01:45 It's fairly obvious that I'm, you know, I'm not going to come to you guys hat in hand begging for support. We are extremely committed to making high quality products that can stand on their own right. That's why we stopped referring to it as merch. And we also don't want you just
Starting point is 01:02:01 throwing your money at your screen to people who, quite frankly, should do something for you in return. So we created checkout messages, which are the way to interact with the show. All you got to do is add an item to your cart. Oh, Luke's on it.
Starting point is 01:02:16 But it, there you go. Add an item to your cart. You'll see the interface to send a checkout message. Boop, yeah, I'd like to do that. You type a little message. It goes to producer Dan, who will reply to it or pop it up on the stream or will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. So why don't we go ahead and do a couple of those and let's chat.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Let's chat with y'all. I'm getting so many in right now that. People have been told that the coin is not fake. See, I knew it. It was too believable, Luke. It was really chill up until that point. What have you done? Okay, whatever.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Hello, Linus, Luke, and Dan. I'm Gyrrhus. What motivated the decision to tear the tech house to studs instead of wiring in the crawl or towboards, especially with asbestos. So that is actually why. Not going to lie. Techhouse is over budget.
Starting point is 01:03:14 It's behind schedule and over budget. Classic. Color me surprise. Classic LTT. Times four. But there's a number of considerations. Okay. So first of all, me putting a hammer through the wall and discovering asbestos was obviously movie magic.
Starting point is 01:03:33 We knew there was asbestos involved. And we did, you know, work with the seller on that knowledge. and fully intended to deal with it, but we didn't know exactly how much there was because testing for asbestos is not as simple as like, you know, getting in there and smelling it. Like, it's not that simple. You need to take actual samples of the materials.
Starting point is 01:03:58 Sniff ASMR. You have to go sniff them at home or in a laboratory somewhere. So we knew about the asbestos. We just didn't know the full extent of it, But what we did know for sure was that around the entire perimeter of the house, there was asbestos for days. So what we did was we started some of the demolition. So you guys saw that video. I saw a lot of speculation that Linus was not the one who actually cleared out the basement because he has lackeys for that.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Unfortunately, all of my lackeys, you guys may or may not have noticed that were there that day, were a solid, like, seven inches taller than me? I was definitely the one in the basement. Nobody else would have even fit. Anyhow, so we did the demo video, and then we hired professionals to come in and have a look at the perimeter. So they looked at the perimeter, and they looked at some of the other stuff,
Starting point is 01:04:58 and what we found out was that the, like, the cocking or the goo or the glue or whatever it is that was used for the electrical wiring. Okay. contained asbestos. So once we found that out, what are we even talking about here? What are we going to do? We're going to cut the drywall.
Starting point is 01:05:19 We're going to follow every, every wire and find every spot where it's got any glue on it. No. You just, you rip the drywall off. You take your lumps. And it was important to us that whoever ends up in this place, we're dealing with the issues, right? We have a brand to protect.
Starting point is 01:05:38 I have my personal reputation to protect, believe it or not. And I take that extremely seriously, especially when it comes to issues around safety. So there was no way that we were just going to like sweep literal asbestos under the rug. Yeah. Right. Like so once we discovered that, and they had to like cut a bunch of the wiring in order to get it out. So once they're cutting all the electrical wiring, we got. got to go down to studs.
Starting point is 01:06:08 So we're going to have some updates for you guys soon. It did end up costing like 30, 30 plus grand or something like that for all of the removal, which blows. But hey, we're going to make a lot of videos in there. And actually going down to studs does open up some pretty exciting options that we've been talking about. Like one of the ideas was, you know that, have you watched the Tech House tour video? Have you even been there yet?
Starting point is 01:06:33 No, I have not been there. Okay, well, whatever. There's this cabinet at the back of what's going to be. be like the upstairs kind of like theater like TV watching area and we were like oh that'd be like sick as like an equipment cabinet. Well, we didn't think about it until the drywall was off, but it's like right above the garage. So without doing any HVAC or anything in there, we could just have like passive venting that just like dumps all the heat from there into the garage rather than dumping it up into that already going to be like a pretty warm room and it might be kind of hard on the
Starting point is 01:07:00 HVAC. So just like little things like that will be much easier to do now that we've got the drywall off. I do fully recognize that this has all of a sudden turned into like a full home renovation as opposed to like tech makeover. So tech house two. Okay. I'm putting my foot down. Techhouse two? We're not taking it down to studs. It'll be, we'll have to kind of.
Starting point is 01:07:22 So you're already committing to tech house too? Well, honestly, I'm having so much fun already with Tech House one. I have heard through the grapevine that you're having a lot of fun. It's been, it's cool. Yeah, I just find it interesting that it's like, gotten to me, not even from you, of people just be like, wow, yeah, it's like, he just seems like really, like, excited and like, like, he's having a good time. Luke, do you have any idea how much I would rather crawl around in a dirty, moldy, disgusting
Starting point is 01:07:53 basement? Just like finding little treasures and, and bringing them up to troll the team compared to sitting in a boardroom. No, I fully understand. Trust me. Yeah, I got you. I get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Like it's, dude, it's, I don't know, man, it's fun. It feels, the Techhouse series
Starting point is 01:08:17 feels like classic LTT. I remember when I was in, it must have been like grade five or six or something. Um, I was in elementary school. The principal came into our class and was like, I need some help moving, effectively furniture.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Nice. And he pointed it like me in a couple of, as you would. Yeah. And we went out and helped them move around like a bunch of benches and like stuff to set up. It was some like a big event that was happening in the gym. And I remembered thinking like as I was walking back to class, I was like, I don't know exactly what I want to do as a job when I'm older.
Starting point is 01:08:58 But I'd love if it was like going somewhere and doing a task, if that makes sense. And now I sit in. Yeah, I was going to see. say, was this, it's the good news Wand show. Was this story supposed to have a happy ending? This is not really good news, man, show. I think it's like, I understand why you like it.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Yeah, I wasn't surprised when people are like, yeah, he's having a good time. I'm like, yeah, because he's out doing stuff. It's so much more fun. We have to find a way. Like, I told you earlier in the show. Like, I wrote a video yesterday. Like, just, just spontaneously.
Starting point is 01:09:38 Yeah. Like we had a cool idea because we saw like an interesting topic. I had a little brainstorm, which I often do. I'll sit and I'll do like an entire scrum for a video. I'll lay out an outline and then I'll walk away and then we'll just like, I don't know, we'll make it in like three weeks or we'll just never make it or whatever. But we didn't. We like, we agileed up and we were just like, okay.
Starting point is 01:10:00 No waterfalls. Okay, you're making this. We scheduled you time. Go to your office. Yeah. Go write it. Good. And so I did.
Starting point is 01:10:09 I sat and I just I just wrote it. And it's funny because I have written more than probably a lot of the audience realizes because I'm kind of a perfectionist about certain things. And so some of the videos that like have a writer credit on them, I like basically just basically wrote them. I do, I edit very heavily sometimes. and yes, I feel really good whenever I see a comment on it that's like, hey, and the other person who's credited as the writer, wow, they did a really good job. I'm like, I'll just quietly feel good about it.
Starting point is 01:10:50 But in terms of just- Can you just have both of you on there? From scratch? From scratch, though. Okay. I very rarely get to do it these days. Yeah. And in some ways, it's funny. I was telling Yvonne when I came home, I was like, my brain's tired, but like a good.
Starting point is 01:11:05 tired. It's a different kind of tired. Editing someone else's work, which is where I've flexed my brain muscle the most for the last five, six, seven years. Nice. I'm like used to it and like that muscle's
Starting point is 01:11:25 like hard, but it's like an uncomfortable kind of hard. It's tense. Whereas like the just from scratch, just just writing it muscle. I haven't flexed it as much. but it was like, you know, like, after a workout when you're like good tired, when you lie in your bed and you're just like,
Starting point is 01:11:44 God, I'm tired. Oh, I'm going to sleep like a baby. Are you taking this stuff yet? No, I'm not yet. But like, it was that kind of brain tired. It was so good. I'm sending you a message. Yeah, I've completely forgotten what is even called.
Starting point is 01:11:56 I know, that's why I'm sending you the message. He wants me to take herbal supplements and remedies. He, no, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, he's going full in on natural health products. He's not, and it's not health advice. Neither of us knows. We don't know. We don't know anything.
Starting point is 01:12:18 Yeah, don't listen. The thing we're talking about, because people started guessing last time and it was way worse. But, uh, so I'll just say it. But I'm trying to get over to take creatine monohydrate. Um, don't listen to me. Do your own research. Go have fun.
Starting point is 01:12:30 I am not a doctor. Hooray. Cool. Good chat. Thanks. I'm talking to him. I'm not talking to you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they know that, right? Like, we're just talking to each other.
Starting point is 01:12:43 They know that. Oh, no, this is advice. Oh, oh, I didn't see you there. Was that one checkout message? Yeah, I've got like a hundred, so let's move on. Hi, hi, Dan.exe, yeah, listen to it again. Luke Long Torso and Gabriel Danger That's an amazing name for you I really like Gabriel Danger
Starting point is 01:13:14 That's freaking awesome That's great Linus I might whip that out sometimes Let's go with Gabriel Do you think it would be No sir Mr. Danger Do you think it would be fun
Starting point is 01:13:32 to have the kids react to their or each other's videos of you building PCs with them when they were three. Oh, yes, it's fun. We've done it multiple times. It's actually something that we do. We have done as a family at least twice, sat and watched them all with all the kids, and I have done at least once with two of my kids
Starting point is 01:13:54 on two separate occasions when their friends are over. What? I've got to be an embarrassing dad. Yeah. Come on. completely in character for me. Yeah. Completely. Definitely.
Starting point is 01:14:06 And it's one of those things where, like, I've always had a complicated relationship with the idea of featuring our kids in our videos, especially when they were younger. Now that they're bigger, it's changing a lot. My perspective has changed quite a lot. We compensate them for their on-time camera. We always have.
Starting point is 01:14:29 They are reaching a point, especially my son, where they have had experiences of what it's like to be recognized in public for who they are. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Come on. Do you think the kids at school don't know what the F FLTT is? Like.
Starting point is 01:14:48 I feel like that's different than a random encounter. I feel like they're both very impactful, but in different ways and for different reasons. But do you think the school sports ball team doesn't go to other schools? There you go. And stuff? Yeah. Like, it just happens, right? And so, you know, they can, they can, they're reaching the point now where, and, you know, obviously I'm a dad super biased, but I have super smart kids.
Starting point is 01:15:11 They're great kids where we can have conversations about it. But in the early days, before they were, before they were even remotely able to understand or consent to anything, I had a very complicated relationship with it. I mean, obviously like any parent, I love my kids, I want to show them off. but I didn't want to turn them into like a commodity for the enrichment of the company. And so those three-year-old builds were just like, they felt at the time almost like a lapse in judgment with the first one. And then like something that we had to do with the other two because we did it with the first one. And we didn't want the classic. Well, the firstborn got all the love and attention.
Starting point is 01:15:54 And why are there, hey, why are there only pictures of my brother? We didn't want to do that. Looking back at it now, I am so glad we did it. I wish we'd done more because they're such a cool little time capsule. They're one of the only times, like Yvonne and I are such busy parents. We only almost exclusively have pictures of our kids taken on our phones, which like, if you saw Marquez's every iPhone, the same picture on every iPhone thing that he did recently, he did a short or something. Yeah, anyway, he did it. And, you know, when I was taking pictures with my phone 10 years ago, it was not great.
Starting point is 01:16:33 And so those videos are one of the only pieces of media that exist of my kids that were shot professionally. Fair enough. So a lot of people will never have any really. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it was really cool. And yes, so yes, I've done that. Thank you for your wonderful.
Starting point is 01:16:54 Don't? Check out. I'm going to throw you one more checkout message just because we've got a lot coming in tough question for Alinas Do you have a favorite cat? Oh, oh dude Okay, look, I love all my cats equally
Starting point is 01:17:08 Actually, I don't They're just animals and I don't He's animal farming it I don't actually have the same rules about You know, my cats and as I do about like People and my family and stuff I can love them better I can love one cat better than another cat
Starting point is 01:17:25 my favorite is the orange and I'm trying to find I must have shoot I must have taken it on Yvonne's phone I'm going to ask her to send it to me she did this thing when she was a kitten can I have that picture
Starting point is 01:17:43 of Missy on you for when so she did this thing when she was a kitten where she would actually crawl like right up here when we were in bed and she would like sleep like in our necks. And then when she reached
Starting point is 01:18:03 like adolescence every once in a while she would like crawl under the covers and just like camp herself between your thighs and just like hang there. And then for long time, like six months, she didn't do it at all. And I don't know what happened, but over the last week or so, she's just become the biggest mama's girl on the face of the earth and she's been like sleeping like for hours at night just like up on Yvonne's chest or like next to her leg
Starting point is 01:18:37 and last night she hung out like right between us so she was the middle spoon she was she's just being such a she's like she's dumb you know like sometimes it's not often true but sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason.
Starting point is 01:18:56 She's got a single orange brain cell and she just, it's firing at half capacity. But, but, but she is just, she's sweet and dumb, you know. She's just dumb and sweet. She's just such a sweet, dumb little girl. Wow. Our orange. Will you hammer it in there. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:14 And she's just, she's such, she's such trouble, you know. So her name is, her name is actually mischief. Missy is, Missy is for short. She's just, she's trouble. She's just dumb trouble, but you can't get mad at her. She's just too cute. Brownie's probably the overall family favorite, though. I'd say, you know what?
Starting point is 01:19:37 Ah, man, noodle's really great, too. He's weird. Weird cat. It's a weird name. It makes sense. Yeah, like, he'll, like, run away from me all day. And then I'll be, I'll have insomnia, and I won't be able to sleep. And I'll be, like, up getting a snack at two in the morning.
Starting point is 01:19:53 and he like will almost kill me multiple times as I'm walking down the stairs rubbing up against my legs and just like looking up at me and like like he'll get up on he'll get up on his back legs and he'll like reach up and like he'll like grab onto me and stuff so that I can't walk away from him like bro where's this where's all this love like the rest of the time yeah they're all really great I love I love cats
Starting point is 01:20:17 anytime someone tells me they don't like cats I basically just go I'm sorry that you haven't met the right cat yet because they're awesome. They're probably just dog people and their dog was terrorized by a cat so they just didn't like cats. Maybe that's it. I mean, I'm a dog person too.
Starting point is 01:20:31 I love dogs. They're just too much work. And that's, I did so much animal care as a kid that I just, I wanted low maintenance animals. Horses are just, there's so much flipping work. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:43 And. Cool though. Oh, they're amazing. Oh, I love horses. Horses are, if I had to pick a favorite animal, it would probably be horses. if I'm being honest with myself.
Starting point is 01:20:54 They just, we had Arabs, particular breed of horse, not like people from certain regions of earth. Like, we, Arabian horses. So we had Arabs when I was growing up. Oh, my God. I don't know how many people questioned that, but all right, sounds good.
Starting point is 01:21:10 I'm just making sure. I mean, we had that whole incident that one time where I didn't know what a word meant and there was some ambiguity. I'm just getting out ahead of it, Luke. I'm getting out ahead of it. I'm my own Neo. I dodge my own.
Starting point is 01:21:22 bullets now. Anyway, we had Arabs and they have so much. It's a hard Arabs. Stop saying it. Just say horses. It's a breed of horse. Just say horse then. And they're known for being somewhat headstrong.
Starting point is 01:21:39 And the Arabs. Yes, the Arab horses, Arab horses. And so all three of our horses, they were ladies. And they just... So Arab ladies are headstrong. I don't know what it is. I like animals that
Starting point is 01:21:56 don't give you unconditional love. Okay, yeah, sure. Dogs almost feel too easy. In a way. I love dogs too. Like our dog Buster, he would sleep in my room all the time.
Starting point is 01:22:10 We were like BFFs during those years. It was like the best dog we ever had. Love dogs. But in some ways, like I almost have like, I have this thing where stuff doesn't feel I don't like the easy path
Starting point is 01:22:26 which you know very well I don't like I don't like the easy path okay and I don't feel I don't feel as deep a sense of accomplishment
Starting point is 01:22:50 if I didn't work for something and cats and horses are like that they can be the most loving sweet animals they they absolutely have emotions. Anyone who tells you
Starting point is 01:23:04 that, you know, a dog especially doesn't feel, just, I don't know how to, I don't know how to account for that. They just, they're clearly not, they're clearly not looking. They're clearly not open to it, right? And cats and horses are absolutely the same. But they just, they have
Starting point is 01:23:22 that edge. They weren't domesticated grand scheme of things that long ago. And so, you know, horses, they'll just, they'll do stuff, right? They'll just like, man, you'd be working, you'd be working on them, right? You'd be shoveling, you know, shoveling shit in their stall, or you'd be, you know, brushing them down, or you're doing whatever it is that you're doing,
Starting point is 01:23:43 and they do this thing. You do this thing, where they'll look away, and they'll step on your foot. And look, unless they're really trying to hurt you, they won't step hard, but they're just, they're just letting you know. They don't, they won't break your foot, unless they want to,
Starting point is 01:24:07 they don't put all their weight on it. They just, they just let you know. They just, they let you know. One of ours was, one of our Arabs. Yeah, one of our Arabs. Her name was crazy.
Starting point is 01:24:22 Actually, it was Kila, but we called her crazy because she was, okay, let me put it this way. When the vet came to artificially inseminate her, which we only had to do because she kept fighting the stallions, the vet said they put enough trank in her to take down a rhino and she still like it like like it she was like still kicking she was she was
Starting point is 01:24:48 boy did that thing ever have spirit she she was what an incredible horse loved her anyway so i was riding her one day and um another thing that horses will do is they'll test you right they'll test you they want to know like who's control here. They always want to know. They're always testing the limits. And one of the things that they'll do is they will go near trees and branches and stuff and they'll like, they'll bug you.
Starting point is 01:25:15 They'll know the path is this wide and there's a skinny sliver right over here that has a branch hanging over it. And they'll try to take that route just to give you a little branch in the face. Anyway, she got kind of spooked by something, some noise or
Starting point is 01:25:30 some animal or some smell. You never know, right? They can smell things like miles away. and she kind of got spook and she kind of took off and then she kind of settled a little bit but we were still going a little fast and I was like trying to get her under control and she just was not having it and she went under a thick branch
Starting point is 01:25:48 and I saw it coming and I got down and I had a helmet on thankfully but I got down flat on her and it still hit me like right in the head and pushed me right off the back of the horse and she took maybe another three steps and she stopped
Starting point is 01:26:04 and she looked back and you could tell in that moment she didn't mean to do that she was like oh shit I'm sorry like that was I meant to
Starting point is 01:26:16 I meant to sass you I didn't mean to hurt you yeah and so I like I went over I basically it was like gave her the like you can't okay you can
Starting point is 01:26:26 but I wouldn't but I gave her a little like you know one of these like don't do that got back up and it was like okay and gave her a little kick okay are we going to have a good ride here that was probably the best behaved
Starting point is 01:26:44 that she ever was and you can't convince me you will never convince me in a thousand years that an animal you can have that kind of a relationship with and that kind of an experience with doesn't understand that they're just a dumb animal
Starting point is 01:27:01 Yeah, so, man, I love horses, even when they're bad. There's this, I've heard this thing about how they can, they can lock their, like, joints and tendons so that standing uses, like, an incredibly low amount of energy. I didn't know that. Like a mind-blowingly low amount of energy. That's a fun horseback. Because they're prey animals, realistically. You look at the eye position and stuff.
Starting point is 01:27:25 Oh, they definitely are. So they don't want to, and it can take a lot to get a horse, especially. if it's like laying down like on its side it can take a lot to get it all the way up yeah um so they want to be able to to just basically stand all the time um and there's this whole thing where like you'll see you know if if a horse if you're like sitting down and a horse like lays down next year or whatever it's actually a very high level sign of trust really because i was about to say we only had one horse that would that would lie down um and it's It was the full that crazy ultimately eventually birthed.
Starting point is 01:28:06 Her name was Trixie. And she would lie down in the hay. Not like the bedding hay, like the food hay. So the other horses would be like standing and like eating the hay and she would just be chilling in the middle of it. That was her jam, which I've never seen before. I have to assume that she like watched one of the dogs do it or something. Because that's not horse behavior.
Starting point is 01:28:29 Yeah, probably. Anyway. All right, two more topics says Dan the producer. It's on the sign. I didn't say it. Dude, I love, I love, this is slightly off topic still, but I love when you see, like, animals raised by other random animals, like birds that are, like, if it's a single bird and a bunch of dogs, it'll, like, bark at stuff.
Starting point is 01:28:50 It's just, like, so funny. You see, you see all these, like, just little, like, oh, it learned that from, you know, it was alone for whatever reason, but it was around a bunch of other ones, and it learned that. that habit from that other animal. That's so cool. I think it's very, very funny.
Starting point is 01:29:07 Anyways. Let's talk about TurboQuant. This was another contributor to potentially the rampocalyps easing at least a little bit, we hope. Do you want to do it? Yeah. Google Research published a blog post on a compression algorithm called TurboQuant.
Starting point is 01:29:24 You know, the, I'm good. The people who started this whole thing. and then stopped paying attention, have now released another blog post that has a lot of impact by reducing the memory footprint of the key value cache
Starting point is 01:29:40 of large language models by 6x with zero accuracy loss and no retraining required. That's crazy. Geez. How it works. A bunch of math over here, feel free to skip it.
Starting point is 01:29:51 We'll touch on it. LLM's encode text in the form of vectors. The key value cache is a digital cheat sheet that stores these vectors. so the model doesn't have to re-compute them from scratch every time it generates a new word. As a chat session progresses, the KV cache eats more and more GPU memory, which is a problem, because it's storing the whole history of the entire conversation.
Starting point is 01:30:15 It re-regitates it like every time. Which is why LLMs get so stupid once you have exceeded, you know, some reasonable amount of memory that they have allocated to your conversation. Yeah, the KV cache gets compromised. impressed over the course of a chat session, but existing compression techniques have to store extra normalization data alongside the compression values, which partially undoes said compression. TurboQuant solves this in two steps. One, polar quant.
Starting point is 01:30:46 I love that just cold. Sick word paired with quant. Eliminates compression overhead by converting vectors into polar coordinates, encoding them with an angle and a distance instead of X and Y, which removes the need for that extra data. Okay, cool. That's, that's so cool.
Starting point is 01:31:06 Yeah. That's, that's almost like, that's almost like the end-to-end compression, like, like, like, obvious,
Starting point is 01:31:13 if you think about it, kind of like moment from Silicon Valley. Like it's, yeah, instead of storing all of this, we just store how you get there. Sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:26 That's so cool. A second technique called QJ, L, or quantized Johnson-Linden-Strauss, sick, applies a one-bit error correction to clean up any residual errors. Nice. Which apparently has no negative impact, at least they're saying up above. Together, these improved compression efficiency taking memory usage from 16 bits per number down to just three. Yeah, damn. This compression technique effectively improves inference economics. Wow, very fun. Letting you either extend the context window or serve more use. users with fewer GPUs, which in both cases is save money.
Starting point is 01:32:05 It's important to note that TurboQuant does not compress the model itself. The model stays the same size. It only compresses the information that is generated during a chat session. Google tested it across standard benchmarks using open source models, Gemma, Mistral, Lama, and got perfect scores on needle-in-hastack tests while achieving up to 8x speed up in a tension computation, on Nvidia H100 GPUs compared to uncompressed baselines. The initial market reaction was a bit of panic when this paired with the OpenAI
Starting point is 01:32:39 decommit. We haven't talked about that yet. Okay. We'll leave a little bit later. Yeah. But those two things paired caused some market panic as investors started recalculating how much physical memory the AI industry actually needs. Within hours of Google's blog post, memory stocks dropped.
Starting point is 01:32:58 Micron fell 3%. Western Digital lost 4.7%. And Sandisk dropped 5.7%. Now those two other second two are kind of funny to me because neither of them makes RAM, but I'm sure there's a reason for this. Dude, over the pandemic, there was a, what was,
Starting point is 01:33:15 Zoom? Zoom. Oh, yeah. It's used a lot. And some other stock called Zoom that wasn't the chat system went to the moon because people didn't even do enough research to make sure they're investing in the right thing. the stock market is hilarious. An analysts are saying that it is likely another deep seek moment,
Starting point is 01:33:35 referring to how the release of the cheaper and also open source deep seek model back in 2020. Back in my day. Caused a trillion dollar market panic before anyone even realized that cheaper AI just means that more people are going to use it. Sandusk's CFO reinforced that theory when he told Bank of America analysts that he actually expects the improved efficiency to boost demand by making AI deployments more accessible. The bigger picture here is that this could be part of a shift where compression and efficiency breakthroughs may start to matter more than how big you can make your model. And that honestly does make sense to me.
Starting point is 01:34:13 And techniques like TurboQuant are what could get AI to run locally in a more efficient way. And this is interesting because honestly, for a huge percentage of users, it kind of can do enough for what it is right now. But anyway, so making it more efficient would make sense. A couple of caveats here. We'll see for reference, but I'm going to say them anyways, because this is a pretty interesting topic.
Starting point is 01:34:37 The underlying research is actually about a year old. The paper first appeared on Rixiv in April of 2025, but it's getting more attention now. I have its formal presentation at ICLR, 26, later this month. Google hasn't released official code, but independent devs are already building, working implementations from the paper alone. And the real thing
Starting point is 01:35:00 to watch is whether major frameworks like Lama.CCP, oh Lama or VLM, merge it in. Wow. Actually, like, super cool. Not even just for the home labrish trying to run their own stuff, which is this is sick for. But also, anyone trying to build the computer
Starting point is 01:35:20 because dear God, hopefully ramp prices come down. And I also... R-Xiv is actually pretty, now it's archive the exes greek sure sure whatever all right i um thanks oh man hear me out maybe we don't use the sufficiency to just build even more a i like the sand this guy said i actually don't think so based on based on uh open a i shutting down sora two and just kind of going oh yeah uh forget it, um,
Starting point is 01:35:57 based on that pretty much every app I touch already has AI in it. Is, is that really the outcome that we're expecting from this? Or do we expect them to finally return to some, some semblance of fiscal responsibility with this buildout? I don't know what to expect with any of this stuff anymore, to be honest. It's that that whole like the market can stay rational longer than you can stay solvable thing.
Starting point is 01:36:22 Irrational, but yes. Yeah, sure. Am I just, am I just, is just wishful thinking? for me? Or are we actually, you know, seeing a return to sanity? I don't think we are going to fully return. No, I don't,
Starting point is 01:36:36 I don't think we're going to fully return ever, but like, you know, tulips are still worth $17. They're not worthless. Considering, considering the level of impact that this is talking about, 6x reduction,
Starting point is 01:36:50 paired with, and like, you know, you still need the initial V-RAM to, like, load the freaking model because they're not making the model smaller, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's still a significant reduction of something. Yeah, if the inference can get cheaper, that's still a good thing. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:05 That paired with the Sam Altman stuff that we'll talk about shortly. Oh, yeah, we can just do that now. We probably should. Those two things paired, I suspect, will cause an impact. I don't think it's going to be super massive. But I do think it'll bring things down a little bit. It already has. This is a great tweet from our fellow Canadian bros over at Hardware Connect.
Starting point is 01:37:26 it's going to load eventually, but this, man, this site is slow these days. Turns out Sam Altman buying up 40% of DRAM waferers was actually him writing letters of intent. Letters he supposedly had slash has no intention of converting to actual purchases now. And memory manufacturers are just getting dumped on today. This was from March 30th, so this was earlier this week. Yeah, the problem is that hasn't stayed true. No, but there are other signals. Because this is, this is, and I don't know what they were using.
Starting point is 01:38:03 I don't know if he was using like Google stock, whatever, but like five days they're up. One days they're barely down. So they've recovered to where they were. Yeah. And this is what I'm saying. It's like people heard this news and they went, no, all right. Back to business. I think, I think we're going to return to, I think we're going to return to a little bit of sanity.
Starting point is 01:38:26 here. I think that if people can buy less hyper-expensive memory, because here's something to remember, too, guys, the memory is getting way more expensive for gamers in the current climate. The memory is also getting way more expensive for these giant buildouts. Yeah, I just think, I don't, I don't think TurboQuant is going to make as much of an impact as people think. You know, six-ex reduction on inference memory sounds awesome. You're still going to load those models there's still a lot else going on. Most people that I see when they're specking out, like HomeLab, I've been trying to do some research because I'd really like to have a HomeLab LLM set up thing at some point.
Starting point is 01:39:09 Yeah. But RAMs just freaking expensive. But most people that I see specking out systems for that are not talking about, do you have enough memory for inference? They're talking about do you have enough memory to load the model? So, like, I don't know how much that's going to move the needle. I don't have a ton of experience running these myself. hence I haven't built one yet but just the the like you know looking around on the
Starting point is 01:39:31 level one text forum or whatever else I've been doing I don't see people min-maxing for that now great you know what it sounds good and and maybe it will reduce a little bit of demand I have I don't know on the data center level but and I think that this is why when you said earlier like oh the market the market drop was because of this. That might even be true. I have no idea what's going on with the markets, but to me, the more real thing feels like the letters of intent being maybe not super legit from Sam Altman. Well, because he's said publicly now that, yeah, that number that I kind of had planned before, it's actually going to be a lot lower from my understanding. Yeah. So that's more real
Starting point is 01:40:16 to me. That's like a, okay, this part of the circle of moving money around that has been a huge part of the whole bubble around this AI stuff. And that has created pressure for everyone else to build faster than they can. Yeah. So that there isn't just like one company left standing that has all the capacity. Yeah. That is cracking a little bit. This is a sign of a crack.
Starting point is 01:40:43 I hope so. And that's where I have a lot more hope. This turboquant thing sounds super cool on like a technical level and stuff. It sounds awesome. I don't know how much that is going to cause a reduction in demand of RAM in reality. But the Sam Altman thing is like, oh, there was there was the crack that was them adding ads into their thing where they were like, this would be the last ditch thing we would ever do.
Starting point is 01:41:09 And then they did it like two months later. And this is another one of those cracks where it's like, yeah, we want to buy all this RAM. And then maybe not. Maybe we don't actually need that much. And there's there's this like, you know, this standoff of who's going to say that they they don't have the the capital and the desire first and this is open a eye saying that maybe they don't actually have as much capital and desire as they had previously thought which is a big statement then there's the oracle layoffs and the oracle layoffs and like all these other
Starting point is 01:41:41 kind of things happening and it's like okay maybe it's slowing down a little bit um what else we got today yeah oh the wandshow channel is live We are multi-streaming. LMG Clips is officially rebranded to the WAN Show. This is part of the transition where WAN Show is now officially co-owned 50-50 by me and Luke. And in the event that anything, you know, ever happens, this was our way of kind of safeguarding Wanshow and making sure that it can just continue to exist. And part of that is having it continue to exist on a separate,
Starting point is 01:42:25 channel. YouTube.com slash at the WAN show or sorry, excuse me, at WAN show. This one right here, so we are multi-streaming to this one and LTT for the time being, but over time we are going to be moving to exclusively that channel. So this is a soft, soft transition. And apparently we are actually moving forward with my hilarious plan where we're going to reduce the bit rate on the Linus Tech Tips channel, slowly week over week until people kind of go, okay, all right, okay. When is that starting? I think next week, right?
Starting point is 01:42:59 Dan, are you still working on the technical side of that? No, I offered to do it today. We should be good to start next week. Okay. Oh, okay. My notes say Dan is working on it, so I assumed that was right. Oh, I don't know who wrote that.
Starting point is 01:43:12 Cool. I have three encoders, and I've set up the second one to have adjustable bit rate. Hilarious. Adjustable bit rate. can is there a way because I don't think you can with OBS
Starting point is 01:43:24 is there can you change the bit rate during the stream no the encoder gets locked that would be that would be sociopathic like starting the show at high quality and then slowly degrading it but I don't think so right I could probably do that with one of the cameras
Starting point is 01:43:44 oh maybe I can't adjust the encoder once it's running away from This is next level unhinged you guys. This is just curiosity, really. I'm not actually like suggesting. Can I put filters on this? I just like, for me, like if I screw up the bitrate on a stream that I start,
Starting point is 01:44:01 I have to end the stream to change it. That's my level of... Got it. So I'm like, is... Whoa! I mean, that's not gonna work. That's just a filter though. Yeah, that's just blur.
Starting point is 01:44:09 Yeah, you could tell that was just blur. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Low bit rate feels kind of unique. I don't know. What if we could data mosh live? be kind of fun.
Starting point is 01:44:22 I'm going to try that. We don't really move around enough, but, you know, if you guys do this. Confetti canon. Yeah. Yeah. That would work. All right. All right.
Starting point is 01:44:30 All right. All right. All right. We're supposed to do the flow plane announcement for this week. Yeah. We've had 88 weeks of documentation showcasing why WAN was late. Has Y. Wan late been running for over a year?
Starting point is 01:44:46 Oh. I guess. Almost two. Although episode 21 is. out, Linus still hasn't done a punishment for being the most late last season. Oh. If you have a suggestion for what Linus should have to do on the WAN show as his punishment, let us know in the comments on that most recent episode.
Starting point is 01:45:09 Oh, I see. So it's over on float plane. Here it is. Linus showcases his Linux issues. Why is WAN late episode 21? Okay. All right, good. Thank you, Sammy, for that very innovative engagement idea.
Starting point is 01:45:28 I guess I have to do the thing. Anyway, while you're over there checking it out at at LMG.g.gg slash floatplane. We also have, oh, some extras for you. Oh, cool. This is great. Early access. He needs a NAS.
Starting point is 01:45:50 This is really funny. It's actually in the intro of the video, but Plouf goes, have you noticed that in all the years I've worked here, I have never done anything with storage or networking? And I was like, oh, yeah. No, I did not notice that. But yes, now that you say it. So it's just because it wasn't an area of expertise for him.
Starting point is 01:46:12 And as part of rectifying that and also solving some just data management issues, and also because that man just cannot help himself, a new hobby shows up and he's like oh yay new hobby um he built himself in nas it's a it's a really good video his timing is terrible but um yeah yeah as you well know oh yeah but he had a really good time doing it and it's a really it's a really good video that's cool we also are finally releasing this oh wow yeah that's uh uh uh hold on i'm just gonna change this title a little bit talking about us being slow Look, there was a lot of moving pieces on this one. Adam went all the way to NASA to find out
Starting point is 01:46:57 how far away a panel has to be from a fan before it impacts the performance. It's a pretty cool video with some like... I've been waiting to see it for so long. Next level real science. It was filmed so long ago that it talks about the Artemis missions in the future tense. Ah, yep, yep, yep.
Starting point is 01:47:21 Which I guess, trans- and you, oh, that's up early access over on floatplane. Don't yet, because I want to show something fun. Some people haven't noticed that floatplane also joined in on the festivities of April 1st. Oh. So we added loot boxes. In the top right-hand corner, you can see up here, there's a little loot box icon. All right. And it's pretty innocent.
Starting point is 01:47:41 This is all it does. You click it. It does a little animation. And then it pops open, and you get served. random video that you have access to. Wow. They added a Linus hole to this. That's because I got a prototype.
Starting point is 01:47:56 What a pull. I got a prototype of this. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a rare Pokemon card right there. Um, but yeah, it's, it's kind of fun. So maybe, uh, check it out and click the loot box. All right, cool. Uh, oh, we're supposed to do sponsors one and two.
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Starting point is 01:49:03 and you too can experience nature from the comfort of your couch. I actually saw my first touchgrass skin in the wild at that recent event at Sony in Japan. It was another reporter. And I don't know if I'm supposed to talk about this, but one of the reasons that DeBrand told me that they made it a limited edition in the first place was that they had concerns about the durability of it. So when I saw her MacBook,
Starting point is 01:49:36 I was really impressed with how good it still looked. And that sort of aligns with DeBrand's decision to bring it back. It ended up being, in my opinion, this is my opinion now, not DeBrand. It ended up being, in my opinion, a better lasting look than I expected. It's pretty cool. I'm wondering if you can, yeah, dude, my like gape mouth at the beginning was because that looks amazing.
Starting point is 01:50:06 Well, yeah. A green Xbox, a green textured Xbox looks awesome. I'm kind of a bit of a hater of the Xbox, just a black rectangle is a very boring but um that's sick yeah the touchgrass thing i also think it could be kind of fun if i can scroll past this to try to match up some of the blue sky and touchgrass i don't know maybe i don't know if you can do a mixture thing when you're checking out but if you could make like windows xp background bliss style that'd be kind of sweet actually i i do wonder i would i do wonder how dbrand would do just like selling bulk skin of
Starting point is 01:50:45 their skins if, uh, like, I feel like I probably buy some touchgrass. Yeah, if you could just buy like a two foot by two foot sheet or a one by two or something like that. I don't know if they've considered it legitimately. This is not a conversation I've had with anybody over there, but yeah, uh, let's move on to our next sponsor. Sorry, we went a little long on this one. The show is also brought to you by Odo. Your business doesn't need separate apps for things like tracking sales, managing payroll, or juggling inventory and manufacturing. Our sponsor, Odu, can help you keep your entire business operating on one simple platform. When you start a project, you can pop everything you need right into Odu's CRM app
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Starting point is 01:52:22 Oh, adorable. So I am genuinely interested to see if someone can make like a Bliss-style build through a combination of both. They were way ahead of you. Yeah, that's cool. Classic D-brand. Yeah, that's sweet.
Starting point is 01:52:34 All right. Should we do Gmail? Now lets you change your old email name without deleting your account. Google is now letting all US Gmail users change the part of their email address before the at gmail.com. Your old address stays connected as an alias. So email sent to it will still reach your inbox. That's pretty based.
Starting point is 01:52:57 That is awesome, especially if you have like some ancient, you know. What's your most embarrassing email alias? Well, I don't have it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. But ladies boy 54 at hotmail.com. Sorry, was that ladies or lady? Ladies.
Starting point is 01:53:16 You sure it wasn't lady boy? I'm just wondering. This was ladies. It was ladies boy. I think this would have been like literally like grade five or something. Early bloomer, wow. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:30 I was ready to go. Ladies boy. All right. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I've talked about mine before, but mine's probably Moomoo the cow at Hotmail. dot com. That was not. And it had underscores too. So whenever I had to like give it, whenever I had to say it, I just felt like such an idiot. Yeah, it's mu mu mu underscore the underscore cow. And this is in the early
Starting point is 01:53:54 days of email. So occasionally people would start writing the word underscore because like they didn't know what it was and stuff. It was not good times. I'm really glad that I moved on from that. But my later hotmail actually is not not much better. It's whatever. It was the underscore peanuts underscore gallery at hotmail.com. So long. Yeah, it was really long. Thank you. It's the first time anyone's ever said that to me.
Starting point is 01:54:19 Yeah. But it's very funny, at least, because, like, the peanut gallery is, like, you know, the scrub, like, riffraff, you know, throwing the peanuts or whatever. That's my understanding of it anyway. And so I was just like, yeah, you know, I'm a riffraff, you know, I'm a troublemaker. but then I changed it to peanuts because my name's Linus. Anyway, yeah, I don't use that anymore either. I think I'll just have to keep my work email forever
Starting point is 01:54:55 at this point. Everything is tied to it, so I'll just keep that domain forever, maybe. I've done pretty good at keeping separation of church and state in regards to emails. Dude, I had so much stuff in my NCIXE that I like really shouldn't have and that was a problem a couple times.
Starting point is 01:55:16 I think I also had a bit of a shock because of losing the float plane club stuff. And then it was like, ah, I need to remember that these things are like. Right. We used to use floatplainclub.com instead of floatplane.com. Yeah. I actually forget the whole story of getting the floatplane domain. I'd have to go back and watch the WAN show to know the story again. My good documentation for it is gone because it was in the drive of Full Plan Club.
Starting point is 01:55:47 But I know most of the steps that happened. I know we flew down in person. You did. Yeah. Oh, sorry, I did. Yeah. I know that I had knocked on a literal actual door to get in touch with the guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:01 Which will never not be an amazing story. Yeah. I'm like, I'm pretty confident on the details, but I know that we have said the story on a previous WAN show. So someone's probably got a link to that. We'd just have to find it. And it was, it was, it was Stone Mason. Someone said he was a Mormon, I think.
Starting point is 01:56:20 It was Stone Masons. It's a wild story, to be honest. But yeah, I don't want to do it injustice by saying it wrong. Want some more good news? Yes. It's good news when? Yes.
Starting point is 01:56:33 Spotify is adding an exclusive mode audio file feature for Windows PCs. This gives premium subscribers bit-perfect audio playback up to 24-bit 4.4.1 kilohertz flak. So, like, just actually imperceptible from, like, perfect quality. This bypasses Windows Audio Mixer and hands Spotify full control of the audio chain. This means that while exclusive mode is on, no other apps can play audio through the same device, which is probably fine, and features like automix and crossfade need to be turned off to actually achieve bit perfect output. But hey, that's really cool. That's really cool. That's sweet. I mean,
Starting point is 01:57:14 they only recently added lossless streaming last September, years behind title, Apple Music, and Amazon music, and now they're taking it a step further. So if you're out of Windows workstation and you want to just jam out to your Spotify tunes, you can get bit perfect quality. That is so, that is so cool. But our discussion question is, hey, title has had exclusive mode for years and still hasn't beaten Spotify or even approached it in terms of market share. Like, what is up with that? Nobody cares. But Spotify has...
Starting point is 01:57:49 You have one man that you have worked with multiple times in the past who would disagree. Yep. Yep. Gentlemen goes by the name of DMS. I am using nobody in a fairly excessive way, I guess. Dmitive. Yeah. The market masses.
Starting point is 01:58:08 don't care. No, I know. I'm not wrong. And it's unfortunate, but we also have learned that with video quality and lots of other things as well. They'll think it's neat, but if they have to pay for it, it makes no difference. And they would rather pay for other things. That's fair. That's fair.
Starting point is 01:58:25 But you know what? Hey, competition makes more features for more people, and that's something that I can always get behind. And also just hard mid-pandemic. I don't have anyone who can cut my hair. Nice. The Wanshow, buying our domain was crazy. That you could have cut. It was taking the opportunity to try to grow it out and it just didn't work.
Starting point is 01:58:45 I mean, it worked. It grew out. Yeah. Yeah, success. It was educational. But yeah, apparently that clip. So there's a clip from back then that's like 11 and a half minutes long where we talk about it. So if you want the accurate, actually quite fun story, maybe go check that out.
Starting point is 01:59:02 All right. Let's do it. Let's do it. I know you've been waiting the whole time. Artemis 2 is on route to the moon Let's do it Let's do it That's your topic, hit it
Starting point is 01:59:11 Oh, okay Okay, hold on, hold on Before we start Did you see the shot Out the window of the plane Oh yeah Oh yeah Super cool man
Starting point is 01:59:21 That is a picture for the freaking ages What a picture What a photograph What a moment Yeah Like What was it 19703 was the last time
Starting point is 01:59:31 That sounds right 72, 73 Somewhere in there 70s yeah Like that was one of the things I asked when we yeah okay so when you got that tour for me at NASA that was one of the things that I like
Starting point is 01:59:58 pulled the guide aside and was like hey you probably get this question all the time but like literally the smartwatch on my hand is more powerful than all the computers involved in the Apollo lunar landing missions combined what's the dealio how is it so hard to go back? And he was talking completely, you know, just off the record, conversationally,
Starting point is 02:00:24 this is not official NASA, whatever. So just take it for what it is. One non-tour guide who was just having a conversation and basically is just like, well, you got to understand that like, the entire resources fundamentally of the United States federal government wanted to say, fuck you to the commies and get there first.
Starting point is 02:00:50 The kind of resources that NASA had at its disposal at that time was literally civilization changing, right? That's one. Number two is priorities.
Starting point is 02:01:03 You know, low Earth orbit or just Earth orbit in general has been more economically interesting. And it's been where the focus is. That's where the ISS is. That's where we've been,
Starting point is 02:01:13 that's where we've been working. A lot of the work that you can do in space, you do not need to go to the moon for. The moon is like really fucking far. Okay, so that's two. And then number three was the longer it went, the more harder it became because people would retire out or die out who knew how to do it. As far as my understanding goes, a pretty significant amount of it because of the focus being on Leo for so long has been. similar to something like making like advanced CRTs or or those machines that you guys used for well not you but you contributed towards uh restoring um reboot oh those tape decks yeah yeah it's like
Starting point is 02:01:59 the the expertise is is retired out or passed away or onto something else or whatever the money's not there anymore and the and things aren't getting cheaper to make no not really like i don't think you could build a Saturn 5 rocket today for cheaper than you could have built it back then. Realistically, there are some things. A that scale and that level of one-off and those types of things. Like mass production is making things a lot cheaper. But yeah, crazy. And there's, there are other options.
Starting point is 02:02:29 Like there's, you know, some of the SpaceX stuff could get us there and stuff. But they're commercial. And there's arguments that could be made that we should have used them for this trip and whatever and blah, blah. And personally, I don't care about any of that. I'm just freaking stoking. All right. Tell us about it. Tell us about it. April 1st, crazy day to choose.
Starting point is 02:02:47 NASA launched the Artemis 2. No one's going to believe it. The first crude mission since Apollo 17 in 1972. It's a crude mission to the moon. No, we're not landing, but still. It's the first time humans have headed there in general in over 50 years, which is crazy. The final engine firing a trans-luner injection burn happened Thursday at 7.5. 149 p.m. Eastern time fully committing to the 10-day mission by propelling the Orion spacecraft
Starting point is 02:03:19 out of Earth's orbit towards the moon. This final burn could have been called off if engineers were concerned about the spacecraft systems, resulting in a continued orbit around Earth until the landing route was plotted, but it wasn't, which is freaking awesome. After the mission launched, Mission Commander Reid Wiseman reported that he was having issues with Microsoft Outlook. a quote. Here comes a quote. I love it. Go for it. Do it. Do it. Do it. I also see that I have two Microsoft outlooks and neither one of these are working. If you want to remote it and check Optimus and those two outlooks, that would be awesome. Weissman said on live stream, Mission Control had to remote in to fix the issue with his computer.
Starting point is 02:04:00 Microsoft hasn't commented as of writing, which is hilarious. And then we have the actual audio if we want to listen to that. Yeah. Hold on. No, I think I think I have it. I think I have it. yeah I'm pulling it up here it is here it is hold on we just gotta skip we just gotta skip me here hold on where is it
Starting point is 02:04:32 yeah I forget exactly where it is but it's somewhere in here yeah there's there's been a lot of I don't know it's just so energizing I was talking to a good friend that works over at NASA. And I was saying like, you know, there's a lot of bad things going on in like the world right now.
Starting point is 02:04:54 But it's oddly uplifting that we're going back to the moon. Like something about that is just so cool. There it is. But yeah. I'm pretty sure that's, that's canon now. It's great. And like there's, there's also this, this show that I've never seen or heard of before. But there's this really cool quote from it that is like,
Starting point is 02:05:18 I know there's no sound. You don't need the sound to know what he's saying. The lessons of Icarus isn't that we need to not fly so close to the sun. The lesson of Icarus should be that we need to build better fucking wings. And I'm just like, that is just such a cool quote. I don't know the show. Somebody probably knows. I don't watch that much TV shows. But I got linked like that clip. And I was like, man, that's freaking sick.
Starting point is 02:05:44 It's just so, it feels like good human progress. again. The AI stuff has so much ick with it. But like going and being amongst the stars again is just so cool. And like progressing towards this idea of having a moon base is awesome because that's really fun. I'm going to mourn the ISS, but it's cool that we're doing something else. And it's just, it's just, I.
Starting point is 02:06:12 Are you low key kind of excited that there's a Canadian on board? Oh yeah, absolutely. And he's awesome. And all the interviews with him are super cool. I'm happy he's a part of it. It's really cool that Canada is able to participate in stuff that NASA does. It's nice to see during a time of somewhat frigid relations. Which has been such an amazing thing about the ISS the whole time.
Starting point is 02:06:34 That Canada and the U.S. are, you know, doing this together? It's kind of weird that before it was a really cool thing that existed during rough relations between the U.S. and Russia. Yeah. And now space travel stuff is a really cool thing to have during. tense relations between the US and Canada. It's like this space stuff just tends to bring people together, which I think is just so cool. And there's all these quotes of astronauts going into space
Starting point is 02:07:02 and then looking back at Earth and feeling like our petty little squabbles are not things that we should worry about. And we should be focused on other things because of this tiny little pale blue dot. And it's just, ah, it's so cool. Yeah. Dark Guy too has a really good message in floatplane chat. says I think a lot of people just assume that human knowledge is magically cumulative.
Starting point is 02:07:26 Once something's learned, it's learned forever. But maintaining knowledge takes actual effort and tons of stuff has been forgotten. And I think that's a really important message right now that is being felt very strongly by anyone who still remembers the events of the early to mid-1940s. we really as a species do not have a species and it really does take work
Starting point is 02:07:55 to remember things I'm so glad to just see people working together to do something really cool and it's just it's exciting I haven't been able to stop just looking at the news about it it's just
Starting point is 02:08:13 exciting and fun and cool and ludicrously expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I don't know, in like a lost porn kind of way, it's kind of fun to watch in that way as well. Sorry, I've been struggling on whether or not I should address this one, but there's a comment in Floplane chat. Innsis saying getting to the moon is not getting amongst the stars.
Starting point is 02:08:39 On the scale of the nearest star, you essentially haven't left the Earth, except you have. like the distance between one and a million and what I think is a billion is basically a billion is what they're saying. Yeah, the Earth is amongst the stars, so that's fun. But I'm considering basically going to outer space at all every time watching any launch that goes into outer space, whether it's low orbit or not, I think is cool and exciting. And this is a form of progress. And there's theory that a base on the moon could help us get towards Mars and all this other kind of stuff.
Starting point is 02:09:13 and we're actually like doing stuff again. Space progress felt very stagnant for a long time. And Space X in a lot of ways really sparked it again, which has been really awesome. And this feels like a really cool step forward. And NASA actually really doing stuff again, which I think is really cool. Because I don't personally love the idea of it all becoming privatized.
Starting point is 02:09:35 I think they're being both is really good. That's where I'm currently at. I don't know. I'm sure other people have opinions. But yeah, it's cool. I'm very, very happy, but all this. I'm happy it's so far going really well. Hey, you want to know what else is going better than ever before?
Starting point is 02:09:50 Gary's mod creator, Gary Newman, has partnered with Valve to ensure that user-created content built in Sandbox, the upcoming successor to Gary's Mod can be sold royalty-free. Yeah, that's cool. That's super cool. I was never a big Gary's Mod guy. I played, what's it called, hide-and-seek, like once? That's where you're like objects or something like that, and you disguise your stuff? and you disguise yourself as like a tin can and you go around, and then they'll have to try and find you.
Starting point is 02:10:16 Is that called Hide and Seek in Gary's Mod? Prop Hunt. Prop Hunt. That's the one. Yeah. So I played Prop Hunt like once on like a stream with someone or something, I think. So I was never a big Gary's Mod guy, but obviously I'm an enjoyer of, you know, the silly videos and shenanigans that come out of Gary's Mod.
Starting point is 02:10:32 So this is super cool. It's always nice to see Valve do based things. They don't do everything right, but they do seem to sort of generally try to do cool stuff. for the most part and I love to see it. Oh, I'm supposed to do a couple more sponsors and then, man, we got, we still got quite a few more, like, good news topics. It's amazing. When you go searching for good news, how easy it is to find.
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Starting point is 02:13:00 Yeah. Steam fixes regional pricing issues. Wow, Good News Wanshow, multiple Steam topics. Valve is making changes to how it's handling regional pricing after users complained about pricing being 20 to 30% more expensive in certain regions. Steam's new regional pricing tool has a more up-to-date data for exchange rates and purchasing power across 37 currencies in four regions. Developers can either automatically adjust their pricing via exchange rate, purchasing power, or multivariable conversion. And Valve has said that this most closely matched. the method that was previously presented in the pricing tool.
Starting point is 02:13:38 That's the multi-variable conversion thing. Publishers can still manually set pricing if they want to. But yeah, that's cool. Our discussion question is Canada is often lumped in with the U.S. as an economic region. So that's why for ever, LTT has talked about pricing in terms of U.S. dollars for the products that we're talking about, whether it's phone or laptop or whatever, because Canadian pricing is not Canadian pricing. It's just US pricing times the Canadian dollar exchange rate. For the most part, there are exceptions.
Starting point is 02:14:11 But our question is, is there such a difference in purchasing power that Canadians should receive different pricing? I actually kind of think so. Well, it's complicated because... Hasn't always historically been so... And our incomes tend to be lower. But our health care costs, such as they are, when they come up... General upkeep expenses are lower. Generally tend to be lower as well.
Starting point is 02:14:34 our gas prices are higher it's been funny watching Americans freak out about the gas prices it's just like first time yeah welcome oh and then meanwhile ours are even worse yeah like dairy's more expensive
Starting point is 02:14:51 like there's a lot of stuff that's just like plain more expensive like cheese cheese is so cheap in America you guys have no idea how good you have it god I love cheese yeah Um, yeah, games, though. Is our purchasing power lowerer enough that we should have?
Starting point is 02:15:12 Probably not. Maybe yes? I don't know. It's tough because any perspective that we have is going to be skewed by our upbringing, our, especially our specific region. It's also very self-serving to say yes. Yeah. I mean, yeah, sure.
Starting point is 02:15:25 So I'm trying to be realistic. And I don't know how much, like, I think the average Canadian has less purchasing power than the average American. That would be a guess. That feels true. After all the, everything comes out of the wash, I feel like that's probably true. But what about median? Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 02:15:47 No idea. Average, I probably, I don't actually know. It's also just so different. It's actually very, very different being somewhere with socialized Medicare versus being somewhere without. Yeah, it really depends. It depends. Do you have a preexisting condition? If you do, you're probably,
Starting point is 02:16:04 way better off up here, like way better off up here. Or it depends on your employer too. Like a lot of states have what's called at-will employment, which blew me away the first time I heard of it. It pretty much means that unless you're like specifically a protected class and you can make a solid argument that you were discriminated against in a way that infringes on your personal rights, your employer can basically just be like,
Starting point is 02:16:27 don't bother coming in tomorrow. Which is like wild to think about in like a modern, country. Um, but that's like, someone says at will is for all states. And I hadn't heard that. I don't,
Starting point is 02:16:42 I, I'm pretty sure that's not true. Montana is the exception. Okay, why don't type in all caps, all states then. It's not all states. Montana's a state for crying out loud,
Starting point is 02:16:53 you guys. I was technically correct, which we all know is the best kind of correct. Um, yeah, anyway, so that like, that like blew me away.
Starting point is 02:17:04 And it's, that's really horrible. And then it compounds when you consider that your employer a lot of the time is tied to, like, being able to get health care there. Whereas here, it's not as much. I'm just looking into things.
Starting point is 02:17:19 So, like, oh, man. Employment at will applies only during six month probationary period is like a few different states. Yep. State has public policy exemptions. Uh,
Starting point is 02:17:31 good faith applies. Like there's, it's, it's, in, in class, American style. Every single one of them is a fun, unique little snowflake
Starting point is 02:17:41 of their own rules. Dude, when we were figuring out taxation rules, back when we were starting up float plane. It's absurd. Sometimes down to a county level, it would work differently. And we're kind of sitting here going, well, this is impossible.
Starting point is 02:17:54 Surely there must be a service that just does all this for you. It's really kind of cool in some ways and just horrible in other ones. It's yeah as for usual there's upsides and downsides basically everything I'm not talking about at will to be clear I'm talking about just the the states all the states being so different that's wild man yeah like and there's so many ways to manipulate it like the whole Vancouver Washington thing oh yeah yeah well I talked about this a lot
Starting point is 02:18:26 back when we were starting up because I was like the biggest hack seems to be to just live in the other Vancouver because as Washington had no income tax of any sort at the time. I think they still don't. I have no idea. And then Vancouver, Washington is right on the border with Oregon. So a lot of people who live in Vancouver, Washington, from my understanding, would go shop for groceries and essentials and cars and just like anything down in Oregon State
Starting point is 02:18:50 where they have income tax but no sales tax. So you would get the best of both worlds. No income tax and no sales tax when you go to buy stuff. Which is just wild. Yeah. That's so crazy. And again, I mean, that's, that's like a, you know, an upside to you as an individual. But as boom just said, legal tax evasion, which is like potentially bad for the collective.
Starting point is 02:19:16 But then it depends because what is the collective actually spending their money on? More bombs, I guess. Crystal says, oh, yeah, we're at 6% in Cedar Rapids. And then Iowa City 40 minutes away is 7%. Just, sure. Yeah, that's wonderful. Who knows? Oh, man.
Starting point is 02:19:40 I know multiple online platforms who have looked at taxation in the States and just been like, well, this is basically impossible to solve. We'll just wait until we, like, get in trouble for it. And there are companies who their entire premise is we will help you deal with taxation in the States. They get it wrong so much.
Starting point is 02:19:57 Who can't handle it. They get it wrong all the time. It has caused it. It's their whole job. serious problems for us over the years because we actually try to do things properly. It is, it is a, it is, oh man. Can you Avalera and cry? Avalera isn't perfect either.
Starting point is 02:20:12 Oh, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, right. Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, Avalera gets it right every time. Sure. Sure. It's wild, man. Oh.
Starting point is 02:20:24 It's, uh, yeah. Yeah. Fun times. Yeah, I've learned this lesson so hard, so bent over, so pants down. like it's not yeah no no it's not perfect below butane just said my state has 80 counties and technically every county
Starting point is 02:20:41 is a separate tax district and then you have to you have to scale that across all the states and then be on top of what every single one of those is doing and it changes oh oh man
Starting point is 02:20:56 so cool very good sick dude 3,143 counties. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize Dan's mic wasn't open, I guess. Yeah, sorry.
Starting point is 02:21:11 That's what I was reacting to. All right. Hey. But in other good news, Neurrelink patient plays World of Warcraft with his thoughts. Wow. That's right. Neurrelink continues to improve.
Starting point is 02:21:28 We now have a patient playing World of Warcraft using only his mind. John L. Noble is a veteran who was paralyzed from the shoulders down in 2016. In 2016 is the 18th patient to receive the Neurlink N1 implant. After receiving the implant in December of 2025, Noble has been practicing using a MacBook, where using it was second nature after just three weeks of practice. Whoa. By day 80, he decided to try playing wow. He says he is raiding and exploring Azaroth, hands-free, full-spoken.
Starting point is 02:22:03 speed, no mouse, no keyboard, just intention. And what's crazy about that is like, I've got, I've got the video up here. What's crazy about that is like, you can see at the bottom of his screen here for people who haven't played before, all these little tiles, those are different like skills and abilities. So he's using all these different things. It seems like you can see his mouse cursor. Do you see this thing? I'm trying to point at it with mine.
Starting point is 02:22:31 but you can see like a circle kind of floating around so it looks like he's mostly playing the game through I think right here I think this is like movement inputs I'm not entirely sure no no he's moving without that because you can tell he's his most cursors up there but he has all these different abilities
Starting point is 02:22:52 and he's playing the game still and I don't know like you know to what degree he's able to do multiple inputs at a time or whatever like I have no idea but the fact that he can play successfully at all. I'm in. You're doing it? I'm in.
Starting point is 02:23:04 You're letting Elon put some chips in your brain? I don't want him to do it personally, no. But you'd put an Elon backed chip, yeah. You'd put an Elon backed chip in your brain? I mean. If I was in this state, I would do it immediately. I would sign up immediately. Yep.
Starting point is 02:23:25 As of this second, no, I don't want to do it for myself. But yeah, dude, if I'm paralyzed, like sign me up. This sounds amazing. I'm like very happy about that. It sounds really, really cool. That looks like such a huge quality of life change. Oh yeah, dude. Like I, wow.
Starting point is 02:23:46 Yeah. World changing. Can you imagine if he had just stayed focused on doing cool stuff? There is some, there's some, this is cool. I know, but just the focus. Yeah. The focus seems to have. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:00 What? Yeah. I'm sorry. I went the wrong. direction. Oh, okay. I want to talk about
Starting point is 02:24:10 the 9950 X3D2. Yeah. AMD announced this super cool chip. Okay, we're talking 16 Zen 5 cores. We're talking full 3DV cash on both tiles.
Starting point is 02:24:25 Got all the 3DV cache. It's a no compromises processor like we've never seen before. and hear me out. I propose that AMD makes it really expensive. Hear me out. Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. Hold on, one sec, one sec, I'm going to get there.
Starting point is 02:24:45 Okay, I propose that AMD goes full, like, extreme edition, like FX, classic on this. They make it, they make it a really expensive Halo flagship thing that most people can't afford. they take that money, they take that bushel of money that they got and give us a freaking modern Risen 3 for once in a couple of generations. Did anybody else notice this?
Starting point is 02:25:16 Where is Risen 3 in the current product stack? Yeah. Even the Zen 4 generation Risen 3 desktop skews, the 8300 G and the 8300 G were only one Zen 4 core and 3 Zen 4 C cores. We haven't had, we don't have a Zen 3, a Zen 5, Risen 3, even though, like, when did Zen 5
Starting point is 02:25:45 freaking launch? When did Zen 5 launch? Remember when AMD used to launch the whole stack and you could buy anything from the, from a thread ripper all the way down to a Rizzen 3, and we were, we were G to G, it was only dictated by, you know how much money you had to spend. Zen 5 launched in August of 2024. We are over two and we're over a year and a half into Zen 5 and we don't have a rise in three yet. Bring it back. That'd be sweet. Give me a rise in three because realistically nobody needs this chip. This is not a chip that anybody needs. Pretty cool. Yeah, I didn't say it's not cool. I said that nobody needs it.
Starting point is 02:26:32 Pretty sweet. The 9850 or the 9950 x3d. already exists with one 3DV cache die and then a regular one. The 9800 X3D exists with 8 cores that are all 3DV cache if you just don't want to deal with any kind of latency issues across multiple dyes. The 9850x3D also exists if you want a slightly faster that. What do you think they're going to do next? Naming scheme. Oh, yeah, we're up to a 10 again.
Starting point is 02:27:01 I mean, Intel just went for it and was like 10 all the things. What did you... What did Nvidia do? Nvidia skipped 10 and did 20, if I recall correctly, right? No, no, no, 10 was goaded, right? 1080, what am I talking about? Super goaded. Windows, windows just...
Starting point is 02:27:19 We don't need to learn from them. They went straight from 8.1 to 10. They went for it for 10. Yeah, 10. Yeah, maybe they just go, yeah, maybe they just go 10, whatever. Whatever, I don't... This is a discuser. I want a Risen 3.
Starting point is 02:27:36 So this cool chip sounds super cool and is really interesting. Nobody really needs it. I'm going to die on that hill. Nobody needs a 9950x3D2. If you're all about the gaming, you can get a 9800 or a 9850x3D. If you're all about the multi-core, you can get a 9850x3D not two. You can get the regular one and you could still game and still do multi-core things on it all day. If that pleases you, nobody needs this chip.
Starting point is 02:28:03 so AMD price it really high take that bushel of money and use it to make a Zen 3 or a Zen 5 Risen 3 it's time it's finally time do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it
Starting point is 02:28:18 do it no balls do it do it that's it I just wanted to talk about that I don't know how to pronounce this why barildered something on full plane chats it pointed out that during the WAN show assuming we don't kill it in the next couple minutes, but like during the WAN show, uh, the Artemis 2 will be closer
Starting point is 02:28:40 to the moon than to Earth. Pretty cool. Dude, when I was looking at the speed that they were going, like how many thousands of miles per second it was or whatever, it's like, a lot of people realized during that launch how freaking far away the moon is. Because they're like, wait, wait, why isn't it that close to the moon yet? It's like, uh, yeah, it's going to be a while, dude. it's uh yeah yeah yeah what's what's what's what's the what's the what's the what's the what's the what's the what's the speed of it speed of our to miss two per second oh it's like 20 it's like completely obscene 25000 miles per hour or roughly seven miles per second sorry i had that wrong before according to a i i overview hold on a second okay Wikipedia there's 24 something is what it's currently let's see 25,000 miles per hour, says Wikipedia.
Starting point is 02:29:38 4,000 kilometers an hour. That's like, it's just, it's unfathomable to go 11 kilometers a second. The freaking think about 11 kilometers. Okay, I'm going on Google Maps. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm on Google Maps, boys. Okay.
Starting point is 02:30:02 time to not have anything Those numbers are wrong Oh cool Are they? Someone at Vulbin Chess Just yelling Um No it's fine
Starting point is 02:30:13 Dan I checked Okay Okay so hold on Where's the Where's the little Yes Here we go This is a cool site
Starting point is 02:30:21 Iss info.net slash Artemis That's so cool What it is cool But you can see So they're listing The Velocity in kilometers and seconds,
Starting point is 02:30:33 so not how we were just doing it, but 1.39 kilometers per second. That's wild. And yeah, you can see the Earth and Moon differences. So the Earth is currently 217,500 kilometers away, and the Moon is currently 22,855 kilometers away. What a cool website. So check this out.
Starting point is 02:30:53 Check this out. Yeah. Okay, at this scale on Google Maps, okay, one kilometer is right here. Yeah. All right? It ends like right there. It ends like, oh no, it ends a little farther.
Starting point is 02:31:05 Oh, man. Okay, get rid of us, Dan. Forget it. Ah, everything I own in a box. Then he has to worry about what, would mean. Oh, okay. There, fine. Okay, you happy?
Starting point is 02:31:16 Also, you don't have to do work. I understand. I get it. Okay, so that's a kilometer. So this is probably about 15 clicks. 15 seconds to go from Langley to Alder Grove. That's pretty sick. Like what?
Starting point is 02:31:35 That's fantastic. Yeah, at the current moment, the velocity, I realized on here, sorry, I didn't notice this, but there's a little switch here. You can switch from kilometers to miles. And for some reason, the velocity goes from kilometers per second to miles per hour, but sure. So in miles per hour, it's effectively 3,100. Well, that's because kilometers per second is meters per second, which is science-y stuff. Yeah, that actually, like, kind of checks out for Americans that, you know, use metric for stuff that matters and then use Imperial for like daily life sure yeah yeah but yeah it will it
Starting point is 02:32:06 it will cross the threshold of being closer to the moon than the earth during wancho which is just so sick godspeed so cool day three of 10 lunar fly by in two days 21 hours and 39 minutes can't hardly wait sick man i can't believe they're gonna like like human eyes on the back it's cool it's freaking sweet Very cool. You know what else is kind of cool? It's hard to not be inspired by this stuff, man. Like I, you see like... He's going to do it again. Oh, yeah. I mean, we did this once already in the show. Honestly, it's by grace that you're only getting two so far.
Starting point is 02:32:46 I've seen a bunch of sentiment online of people being genuinely, like, positively inspired by something that's happening in the world, which is so rare right now. And I think worth just so, so much. I'll keep it at that. But yeah, it's awesome. Agreed. Really awesome. Anthropic, the company behind Cloud, which is how I pronounce it, accidentally leaked the entire source code of Cloud Code,
Starting point is 02:33:12 that AI powered coding assistant on March 31st. It was not an April Fool's joke. The leak happened because someone at Anthropic left a source map file in the NPM package for CloudCode version 2.18. Source maps are debugging tools that aren't supposed to ship in production, and this one pointed to a zip archive on Anthropics' own cloud storage containing the full code base.
Starting point is 02:33:35 Technical background on source maps. Basically, when code gets compiled for distribution, it becomes unreadable, and a source map is a reference file that links the scrambled code back to the original. So including one is essentially handing out directions to your entire code base. Security researcher Chaufan Shu spotted it and shared the finding publicly. Within hours, the code was mirrored across GitHub being forked. 50,000 times before Anthropic could do anything about it. Anthropic confirmed the leak in a statement saying,
Starting point is 02:34:08 this was a release packaging issue caused by human error, not a security breach. That's good, actually. And that no customer data or credentials were exposed. Anthropic then filed DMCA notices against over 8,000 GitHub repositories, but accidentally took down thousands of legitimate forks of their own public repo in the process, forcing them to walk back most of the takedowns, Oops. I mean, I can see how during a crisis people might just kind of be, you'll have a peepoo, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.
Starting point is 02:34:33 Um, it rarely makes the crisis better. But I understand it. Uh, meanwhile, a clean slate rewrite called Claw code hit 10,000 stars in a single day, making it the fastest growing repository in GitHub history. Um, this is actually the second time that clouds, cloud code source has been exposed in just over a year. Our discussion question, it feels like the advent of vibe coding is expanding the threat surface for digital infrastructure, creating opportunities for malicious actors to damage in front,
Starting point is 02:35:09 also for own goal situations like this. Do you think there's a point where we turn the corner and walk back the fragility we've built into these systems? Ha ha ha, ha, very funny, no. Very optimistic, though. Thank you for writing that discussion question. What else do we, what else do we have, Mr. Luke? Let's see here That one's kind of Microsoft Didn't convince me
Starting point is 02:35:35 But Microsoft says it's going to No, before you start, before you start Okay, I got a Microsoft says it's going to improve Windows search Sure I like it Microsoft's Pavon Davouturi
Starting point is 02:35:55 recently released a blog post entitled Our Commitment to Windows Quality. I think we talked about that on WAN, where numerous pledges were made to improve the current state of Windows. Windows Shell product head Talley Roth has been actively replying to user feedback claiming improvements coming to Windows search stating simpler and less distracting are definitely in the mix.
Starting point is 02:36:17 Some of the focuses Microsoft is working on are that installed apps appear instantly and consistently. Core system components are always discoverable. and local files are ranked higher than external suggestions. Wow. How the f*** did it take you this long? This is my naive, I believe you faced, by the way, that I've been doing this whole time. How are we supposed to trust a company that didn't prioritize all of that in the first place?
Starting point is 02:36:49 Insane. This is still good news when news, though, because publicly acknowledging it. At least they're saying it. At least they... It's a step. At least they know. It's a step. It's a step at least vaguely in the...
Starting point is 02:37:01 the correct direction. I don't know if I'm going to say confidently enough that it is in the right direction. I hope so. I haven't seen any action from it yet. Angry Panda PC says, how hard was this? Maybe it's not a step. We're going to, we're going to stop the, we're going to stop the orphan, the orphan grinding machine. Yeah. It's like, why did you have one? Yeah. I thank you, but, why? Why was it ever turned on in the first place? And who kept putting orphans in it? So I think it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, kit and full point. shots had intentions of a step. I think that's more accurate. It's not that they stepped in the right direction. It's maybe that they like looked that way at
Starting point is 02:37:37 least once and thought about it. They're thinking about it. No key in the chats. It's almost like indexing search and making it offline only was the whole point of search. Yeah, that's what an index does, isn't it? Am I misunderstanding? Desperately, desperately never need search to look at the internet ever. And it shouldn't for anyone, and that sucks. I wouldn't mind it as a toggle. Sure, toggle would be fine.
Starting point is 02:38:06 That's right there. That starts off. It's right there. That would be fine. And it should use whatever browser I tell it and not ever change it. Ever. Not even one time. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:38:20 Okay. That was the most angry I've ever been about good news. Yeah. But it's still good news. I'm still feeling good. It's that whole pain of fixing thing. They might be fixing it. It might be happening.
Starting point is 02:38:31 But it's been so. long and so frustrating and so annoying that it just it's you know you rip the bandaid off it feels bad you uh you cut open in order to do surgery that is painful it feels bad you need to blah blah blah blah there's like there's negative parts to fixing things and i think this has been so frustrating for so long and there's been so many seemingly bad intentions involved that it's just yeah anyways uh this is cool researchers have developed ground penitentiary meditating Wi-Fi tech with a 100-meter range. This magnetic induction method of transmitting signals underground could help reach people who are trapped or lost.
Starting point is 02:39:17 South Korea's Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute has demonstrated wireless communication 100 meters underground using magnetic induction rather than traditional radio frequencies, which get absorbed by soil and rock pretty much immediately. The system uses a one-meter loop transmitting antenna on the surface and a small handheld receiving sensor and was tested in a limestone environment specifically chosen because it's one of the worst possible conditions for radio signals. The data rate is not high, just 2 to 4 kilobits per second, but that's enough for voice communication. ETI is already working to shrink the technology into something that could fit in a smartphone with potential applications in mine rescues and underground construction. Our discussion question is they're already looking at putting it in smartphones. Well, if magnetic conduction can punch through 100 meters of solid rock,
Starting point is 02:40:08 what does that mean for connectivity in places that have never had it before? I remember I did a really cool course in high school that was just called technology. Imagine, you know, me being interested in that. And our final project was a submarine. So you had to put three motors on it so that it would have full six-axe. of six axes of movement. And you had to achieve neutral buoyancy. So the final exam for it was you had to put it into a tank.
Starting point is 02:40:35 It had to never touch the top, never touch the bottom, and then you had to like... Actually sounds pretty complicated for high school. That's cool. Yeah, it was super cool. That's wicked. It was simpler than it sounds because like our controller, so part of the project was waterproofing the motors.
Starting point is 02:40:49 So we embedded them in film canisters, which were a thing when I was in high school. We embedded... They were readily available. We embedded them in film canisters. And used in lots of projects like that. And then sealed them in like paraffin wax. So we had to make the motors waterproof.
Starting point is 02:41:02 Then we had to run lines to them. And we just had like an umbilical cord that went up to a controller that was essentially just three toggle switches. So you could toggle your motor forward, off, or backwards. And anyway, so yeah, you had to like do a thing and it had to not touch the surface, not touch the walls of the tub and not touch the bottom. Not a bathtub like a tank. Anyway, it was a real hassle. That umbilical cord. F*** that umbilical cord sideways.
Starting point is 02:41:31 I got a good mark and I did manage to achieve the mission objective, but it wasn't exactly flexible. And so having that umbilical cord on it sucked, could we use this for underwater? Oh, very interesting. Like controls and stuff. That'd be cool. Live streams underwater right now,
Starting point is 02:41:49 you have to run a cable. Yeah. Yeah, you just have to. Just communication in general. My understanding is you just like, have to run a cable. Yeah. That would be so cool.
Starting point is 02:41:58 Yeah. Ooh. Ooh. Lowlander? Yeah. Land party in a cave? Yeah. I don't know what the appetite would be for that type of content.
Starting point is 02:42:10 I think. It's one of the first things that our dear friend Austin Evans sent me this morning. Space lander. He goes, Highlander 2, my friend? Because he saw yesterday's video. Oh. Yeah. So for those who are relatively new to the channel, we hiked to the top of Mount Albert with some of our friends in the tech space, including Austin Evans.
Starting point is 02:42:38 And we got a Guinness World Record for the world's highest elevation land party, which was actually broken, which I love. Because in a way that legitimized, the fact that anyone else even wanted to legitimizes what we did, in my opinion. Yeah. we got one I wouldn't call it good news I don't know what kind of news to call it because Dude sorry one sec
Starting point is 02:43:06 With with with way With portable routers Oh the military apparently uses ultra low frequency RF for underwater But I don't know would this be better Anyway carry on With portable routers And if you don't want to count phones
Starting point is 02:43:19 Like steam decks and stuff It would be so much easier these days Because we had that like lead acid battery Oh yeah I'd like to do a land party. Oh yeah, 100%. With like little tiny puck routers and stuff now. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:43:32 Anyways. Okay. So basically what I am trying to, what I'm trying to understand here, there's a bit of growing antagonism towards ubiquity, the networking company. So let's go through this. And then let's talk about it because I'm trying to wrap my brain around it a little bit here. members of the self-described anti-authoritarian art movement, Pussy Riot, have occupied ubiquities Manhattan headquarters
Starting point is 02:44:01 accusing the American Tech Company of powering Russian war crimes. Since the disabling of Starlink, Russian soldiers have been said to favor ubiquity hardware as a replacement. Which I must say is automatically confusing. So just a second, just a second. Oh, it's the long-range dishes. Sure, it's just not the same thing, though. It's not.
Starting point is 02:44:21 the group has demanded that ubiquity obey U.S. sanctions, acknowledge Russian military use, work with Ukraine to stop it. Yahoo Finance noted back in January that ubiquity products were legally sold in Russia until February of 2022, also noted
Starting point is 02:44:38 that ubiquity relies heavily on third-party distribution and sales partners rather than making direct sales to end users. Okay, okay, this is one of the things that I had wanted to talk about. Because I heard about this a long time ago, but that was my understanding was that they weren't selling it. Okay, so this kind of showed up in my Twitter feed a little bit, and I was like, okay, hold on a second.
Starting point is 02:44:59 And I'm wondering if the people demanding this understand fully what they're asking for. Right now, ubiquity is one of the few, and at their scale, the only, like, network infrastructure companies that is not trying to turn everything into a a gate-kept cloud subscription service for the hardware that you bought. With like insane amounts of them having the ability to track and sniff and blah, blah, blah, blah. And shut down hardware that you own.
Starting point is 02:45:39 Yeah. It feels to me like ubiquity, I have not seen any actual evidence that ubiquity is complicit in any way. They're certainly profiting. if their third-party resellers are buying ubiquity equipment and breaking the law and selling it to Russia. They could be, they could know what one of those third-party sellers is facilitating that and still be working with them. I have no idea.
Starting point is 02:46:09 They might. I haven't seen. And that would be a bad, but I have no idea. I haven't seen evidence of that yet. however it feels like however I don't believe that ubiquity has taken
Starting point is 02:46:27 any actual direct action to profit from this conflict and I'm a little confused about sort of the demands here because it feels to me like what we're asking is for ubiquity to put in backdoor controls
Starting point is 02:46:44 that allow network information structure to just be turned off remotely because we don't agree with what the user is doing with it. Am I missing something? This is one of those ones that I am very open to, I don't understand all the dynamics. The almighty cue in full plane chat said there's reportedly a call with a UI, in this case, ubiquity, sales rep
Starting point is 02:47:17 saying yes, we can send product to Russia and it did not specify that it was third party. I've asked them for a link. But even if that were the case, there was this one time
Starting point is 02:47:33 that an LM employee said something. That doesn't necessarily mean that leadership knew or approved or agreed. I mean, if that is a thing that's actively happening, that's still something that you can get up in arms about and then expect them to make a change. Right, but what change are you going to ask for?
Starting point is 02:47:50 Do you want them to be able to turn off their network switches? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I understand. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, sure. Like, if this is a thing that's happening, even if leadership doesn't know, then they can deal with it. So when Bingo Chronified says shutting off remote drone connections, if they're committing
Starting point is 02:48:06 war crimes feels incredibly chaotic good to me. But that's, but the problem is if they can shut off that one, then they can shut off any other one and ubiquity. theoretically, ubiquity would have no ability to do that. Right. Which, to my knowledge, they at this time do not have that built into any of their platforms. So we're asking them to do something that in order for them to do, they would have to fundamentally change their approach of that when you buy a piece of ubiquity equipment,
Starting point is 02:48:35 you like own it and do stuff that you see fit with it. It's also such a false equivalency. like ubiquity's long range like dish like communication dishes and stuff is so incredibly not Starlink is not Starlink it's not low Earth orbit internet
Starting point is 02:48:51 it's uh it's like from one fixed position to another and and I yeah just uh Kisul Wildcat says just stop selling to Russia right right but if it's going through a third party
Starting point is 02:49:06 ubiquity is not selling to Russia um I mean, if they actually are, then like, okay. Um, yeah, I mean, if they are, then that's terrible. And I just, I haven't, I haven't seen, I haven't seen evidence. So yeah, Kiss Wildcat says it's not third party. But how do you know?
Starting point is 02:49:38 Yeah. You're assuming that because the equipment is new that it's direct. And we're waiting right now. So, well, maybe the streamer just went down. But we're waiting right now. So if you guys have a link to any of this, that would be interesting. Allmighty Q just linked. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:49:57 Slams ubiquity for products that keep showing up on the front lines. Okay. Do we have proof that they know where it's how it's getting there? I mean, theoretically, okay, could they track a serial number? by who they sold it to. I mean, the thing to, I mean, the thing to remember, though, is that even the, even the ubiquity reseller may not know. Like, it's not like, it's not like countries like Russia or Iran, countries that are, like,
Starting point is 02:50:31 constantly sanctioned. It's not like they're not familiar with the game. Yeah. Of buying half a dozen here and half a dozen here and half a dozen here and half a dozen here and half a dozen here that make it extremely difficult to narrow down exactly which one of your resellers is doing it or even knows. I really do feel like we might be oversimplifying this.
Starting point is 02:50:56 This is slightly off topic, but I thought it was really funny. Ados and Floopin Chat linked to this picture. I thought it was pretty good. Cisco firewall, the protect against Chinese backdoors, Huawei firewall, the protect against U.S. backdoors, checkpoint firewall, the protect against Russian backdoors, Fortnite firewall, the protect against Israeli backdoors,
Starting point is 02:51:15 Polo Alto firewall. I don't know, the cool kids have them. PF. Sense firewall for good luck. And then finally the internal network. Um, um, yeah. I've got a call, but I did find this. Ballard says they've been doing stuff like this for decades. Um, yeah. Pretty much.
Starting point is 02:51:37 I don't know, man. Because like, we like, we work with ubiquitous. a fair bit. And so, you know, I want to know if this is a huge problem. So Wildcat keeps saying the Russians are fielding new equipment in huge volumes.
Starting point is 02:51:52 That doesn't actually mean anything. Ubiquity manufactures networking equipment in huge volumes. Like, that doesn't mean that ubiquity is selling it direct. You just keep saying the same thing. That doesn't change anything, though. Okay.
Starting point is 02:52:10 Okay, the Almighty Q says more than a decade after ubiquity was fined for reckless disregard for sanctions obligations when its products ended up in Iran. Hunterbrook found ubiquity products may still be flowing there. Current official distributor listed on ubiquity's website, Yemen-based Alpha Tech may be operating branches in Shiraz and Tehran, according to its own Persian-language advertisements. In 2014, regulators found ubiquity after at least 600 grand of prohibited equipment was diverted to sanctioned something. I think that got cut off by. Okay, so we're going to have to, clearly we're going to have to look into a little bit more. But what I will say is that if ubiquity knows, that's terrible. Step one.
Starting point is 02:52:57 And step two, if the thing we're asking for is for them to have central control of the networking equipment that they sell, I don't know that I can get behind that. Yeah. I don't know if they do or not, but yeah. If they are able to turn off networking equipment remotely. To my knowledge, they can't. I thought you were saying something else, my bad. I only heard part of what you said.
Starting point is 02:53:29 Noki said, I didn't find a call, but I did find this, a screenshot from an email response from a sales manager from N.A.G, an online IT retailer that sells ubiquity items and was once an official ubiquity reseller, are also known as they aren't now. According to an archived 2014 ubiquity web page in the email, the sales manager
Starting point is 02:53:50 clarified that delivery to the occupied territories would take seven or eight days. It's like, okay, like if we, if we... This seems like non-tech people not really understanding what they're protesting for the most part. But...
Starting point is 02:54:08 That's what it seems like, unless ubiquity knows and is facilitating this in any way. We also haven't exactly done like an overwhelming amount of research here to... No, we haven't. That's why I presented this the way I did. Like, I'm taking only conditional positions here because I do not have all of the information that I would need. Yeah, and Drac Ryu, I've heard this as well, somewhat infamously, the U.S. bought titanium from the Russians to build the SR 71 to use against the Russians. Yeah, I remember that.
Starting point is 02:54:40 The government set up shell companies to buy things from a foreign enemy to counter the foreign enemy. Like, I don't know. But then that being said, like we were saying earlier, if they're doing this knowingly, like of ubiquity is very, if they're like, oh, yeah, this distributor very obviously just resells their stuff to Russia, then they should stop working with them. Okay. It seems to show good details. All right. I'm going to check this out. Okay.
Starting point is 02:55:08 I mean, we can take this offline because we've got to get to WAN after dark. Mr. Dan, you want to do the thing? Oh, yeah, sure. If we're there, let's do that. Yeah, maybe people don't understand the products that Ubiquity is selling.
Starting point is 02:55:29 Because, like, this link that was like, oh, this one has good detail. It's like, ubiquity has stayed silent unlike SpaceX, SpaceX, who has the ability to turn it off, ubiquity, who doesn't. And it's CEO, Robert Perra, owner of Memphis Grizzlies, sure, have not publicly commented on it. If I was him, I wouldn't.
Starting point is 02:55:46 Yeah. What is there to say? The world's most prominent manufacturer of Wi-Fi bridges. Like, is he going to sit down and explain to people how networking works? He can. I actually had dinner with him once. He was super smart guy. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:55:59 Eibiquities products appear to be widely available in Russia, mostly sourced from distributors in, it says third countries, such as Kazakhstan and Turkey, Hunterbrook found. One Ukrainian communications officer told the outlet that an estimated 80% of the Russian bridges he observed near the front line had come from ubiquity. Russian units often receive the bridges from volunteers who purchased them using crowdfunded money. So like, what are we talking about? Oh my God. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:56:33 Again, there might be more information other than this, but like... So ubiquity made a thing. I mean, this to me feels a little bit like... you know, storming Linus Torvalds' home office because sanctioned countries are using Linux. Like, I just, what do you want them to do about it? And I'm, like I said, we've worked with ubiquity. This is a full disclosure, guys.
Starting point is 02:56:58 We've worked with ubiquity extensively in the past. If they are actually participating in this, then, yeah, condemn. But I haven't seen any actual evidence of it. And it was so awesome when they lost Starlink access. The impact of that was enormous. Like, I wouldn't want this to be helping them,
Starting point is 02:57:21 obviously. But, like, if, if, you know, if it came out that a bunch of Russian soldiers had LTT backpacks, because people who were crowdsource buying LTT backpacks, we can't,
Starting point is 02:57:33 like, we can't remotely turn off the LTT backpacks. So, like, I don't know. And there might be more to this story. There absolutely could be more to this story. There might be information that we don't have right now. You know,
Starting point is 02:57:47 Flooplane chat linking us stuff is usually pretty good, but it might not have all of the information. Someone linked the call from the vendor. We can't necessarily listen to this right now, but it's also a call from a vendor, right? It's theoretically not them. Okay. I don't think we have to stay on this topic any longer for now.
Starting point is 02:58:08 If they do know that distributors that they're working with they're doing this, then I expect them to stop working with them. Cool. Cool. Mr. Dan! Oh, wow, your fingers are still busy over there. Yeah, I was not expecting to do 400 today. Did we move through the rest of the coins?
Starting point is 02:58:31 We did quite a few. I don't, I'm surprised that people didn't think that they were, you know. I mean, we did launch it on March 31st, North America time. I think we ended up launching our April Fool's joke around like two hours after it was April 1st in the first time zone. So a lot of people were like not ready for it and like legitimately butt hurt about us doing an ICO or being acquired. I had one person. I think I actually, did I send this one to you or did I just screenshot? It was so funny.
Starting point is 02:59:02 That was pretty funny. I don't know if everyone's going to. Yeah, but that was pretty funny. Where is it? The funny part was. was that the writing style was so exactly identical that it's obviously the same person? Hold on, I'm not sure which comment you're talking about.
Starting point is 02:59:22 I'm talking about the one where, oh, no, not that, not that. Someone was like explaining to me, like mansplaining. They wrote me a whole paragraph, mansplaining that a company called FOMO Foundry, literally it's FOMO, it's like about capitalizing, on people's fear of missing out and it's so, uh, it's so negative. And like, bro, yes, that's the joke.
Starting point is 02:59:50 Oh, my God. I just can't right now. Oh, man. Yeah. Yes, we get it. Um, oh man. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the criticism
Starting point is 03:00:11 that we take for stuff like this centers on people thinking they are so much smarter than us that we couldn't have possibly understood their analysis of the thing that we gave to them to understand. And you know, we do miss things sometimes, but... Oh, man.
Starting point is 03:00:35 Yeah, maybe just go touch some grass. Are we doing this topic? Which one? I don't know. I don't know. It feels more like part of after dark. Okay, question for you. Sure. Should LTT GamerJet Q&A be a WAN show topic or should it realistically just be a follow-up video? Because people have a lot of questions about it. Oh, follow-up video is not a terrible idea? Yeah. I mean, is it a terrible idea? It might be a terrible idea.
Starting point is 03:01:06 Maybe it's a terrible idea. Do you want to talk about it more? I mean there's clearly a lot of things that people want to know about I'm just trying to Chewy Chui sent me a couple things like he sent me a couple like summary things um I'm saying do it coward do it coward Is that a dare?
Starting point is 03:01:31 Oh what's the Disney character? Here's a Is that a challenge? Would the follow up video be technically based or is it just talking about the fact that you bought a jet? It would be answering people's questions about it. So, like, some of the things that have come up, for instance. Then I don't know if I would do another video.
Starting point is 03:01:50 Like, how do you reconcile this with past stances on the WAN show, for instance? Yeah, so I wouldn't do a video on that. I would just cover it on WAN show. My reasoning for that is I think LTT's channel has been semi losing its way for a bit. We've talked about this quite a bit. Yeah. And I think a Q&A about the jet that you bought isn't sparking a passion for technology. I'm way more interested in like talking about the AI trend and like memory prices going down.
Starting point is 03:02:20 Exactly. Quite frankly. So I wouldn't make a dedicated video on that that's taking up an upload slot. We can talk about it on Wancho. You should address the questions on Wanshow, all that kind of stuff for sure. Sure. So, okay, for starters, there's a few things that I already know. So you guys don't have to type it in the float plane chat.
Starting point is 03:02:35 Or actually, Dan, is there a bunch of stuff in the checkout messages about this? Should we just do this after and see what we end up addressing already? I said mostly that it was going to be in a topic in the future, but most of them were going to end up being sort of questions that you would pretty much answer anyway. Okay. So there was a lot of questions about moderation across our social platforms in the days leading up to the big reveal.
Starting point is 03:03:00 And the simple answer to that is that between the third-party moderation teams who are community volunteers, our team internally and me, we didn't have clear alignment on what was moderated, what wasn't moderated, but where it all came from was from a place of, for the love of God, guys, we're announcing this in like two days.
Starting point is 03:03:21 Can we just, can we have our fun, and can we make a big announcement, and can we make a splash on April Fool's? So it was for... We work really hard to make our April Fool's very, very big and very special every year, and so I think there ended up being a little bit of confusion about, because we've allowed some threads to stay up about it.
Starting point is 03:03:42 Yeah. But they've been small. They've not really gained a ton of momentum. And they were a long time ago. And it makes sense that in the like days leading up to the big announcement that, you know, yeah, obviously people were going to, people have known for months. Some people have known literally for months that our April Fool's this year was going to involve the TechJet. The Reddit knew
Starting point is 03:04:06 for months. Classic Reddit. Yeah. You did it, Reddit. So in terms of moderation regarding the jet, I don't really think there is any guidelines with respect to moderation of the jet. Other than...
Starting point is 03:04:25 I was going to say, what is your ongoing? Yeah, ongoing. I would say anything that in any way compromises the safety or comfort of anyone on our team, me, my family, anyone to do with that is just obviously like no doi going to be immediately removed and immediately permaband. Like that's just kind of obvious. I've, I've had some people, you know, ask how to reconcile that with previous statements that I've made on the WAN show, and I think that's pretty simple. I never claimed that I was running a platform that allowed
Starting point is 03:05:01 absolutely any speech. Never said that. and it's not true today. So by all means, you know, do whatever you're going to do, but that doesn't entitle you to do it on our forum or on our subreddit or in our videos, anything like that. I've had a lot of people ask about, okay, what's your strategy with respect to carbon credits? And I'm going to tell you guys the exact same thing
Starting point is 03:05:27 that I told the writing team, because we had kind of an impromptu chat between me and the writers, because they're the ones who are probably going to be be most impacted by it because their projects potentially they're going to be coming with me or doing whatever like they're the ones that are most likely used along with the production crew um and so one of the things that came up was like okay well you know someone not going to name any names basically was like okay well what are we doing about carbon offsets and then someone immediately was like those are bullshit and they kind of started arguing about it and i said hey guys that right there
Starting point is 03:06:03 is why just like any charitable stuff that we do, that's going to stay between me and Yvonne. Because no matter what I say about it, it's going to make someone extremely angry. And I just don't, I don't feel like it. I don't feel like having that conversation. It's going to be Schrodinger's how we're handling this. And whatever works for your head cannon,
Starting point is 03:06:24 you can tell yourself that. So we're going to leave that alone. I've been asked how I reconcile saying that I was against it before. I've said both that I'm against it, and I have also said that I'd like to try it. Did you say that you'd like to try it publicly? Yeah, it's on the show. That was on which. Yeah, there's a Wenshow clip.
Starting point is 03:06:44 I said, I said I'd like to try it. As for the justification, I like Warren Buffett's line, so I'm going to steal it. He called his first jet the indefensible. Okay. I don't think there's any justification. What justification? What I will say? is that from a business standpoint,
Starting point is 03:07:09 it has been far less stupid than I might have initially imagined. That trip down to San Francisco for Arm was done in a single day. We went down there in the morning, very early in the morning, didn't love that part, but we went down there in the morning.
Starting point is 03:07:28 We were able to attend the keynote. We saw the entire event. We saw all the demos. We wrote a script. We shot it. we flew home early which has never happened before and this is while the
Starting point is 03:07:42 the US airports were a complete cluster bomb have you been able to sleep on the plane yet no it's a funny thing this didn't end up making it into the video that I shot with Elijah but in some ways
Starting point is 03:07:59 it's actually a little bit there's one way that it is a little bit less comfortable and that is the social pressure because I kind of feel like I'm hosting everyone else who's on it. I don't think you'd need to, but I understand. I know, but I mean, you've seen it. Like even our cabin crew member, like I, like I, you know, I don't want to be, I don't,
Starting point is 03:08:23 I never want to be rude, you know, and I feel like, it's like if someone was in my living room and I was just napping, I'd feel really awkward. And so far I'm not over that at all on it. Okay. I managed to get about 15 minutes of shot eye on the way down to the arm event, but that was only because I had wicked insomnia the night before, and I functionally hadn't slept. And even then, I only was able to sleep for, like, a little bit.
Starting point is 03:08:53 I just want to see if there's a couple things that I had written down that people are bringing up a lot that I'd want to kind of talk about. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, I'm going to zip to down. No, yeah, I think that's about it. All right, Dan, was there anything else in like, almost called them checkout chats? No, what did?
Starting point is 03:09:16 Okay, here's a question. Yeah. The WAN show where you said that you were against it, and the WAN show where you said that you'd be interested in trying it. I think those are different WAN shows, if I recall correctly. Is there a, what's the chronological order of that? Oh, I actually don't know. Interesting.
Starting point is 03:09:32 I didn't look that closely. Because I wonder, like, what do you think might have changed? I know part of it was being surprised or this particular deal or whatever being so good. Is that, is that, do you think that's the majority of it? Do you think something else changed? I think it's a combination of things. I think it's the deal being way better than I expected. And honestly, the biggest one is my uncle being involved.
Starting point is 03:10:02 So I've got, there's a couple people in float plane chat that are asking about, how are we handling pilots? So my uncle is a pilot. Dude, his line in the video? He's always like that. How do you, how do you make something so simple, so complicated or whatever he said? He is one of the funniest people I've ever met. He's so funny. And he's just, he's like such a, he has such a, almost serious until you know him.
Starting point is 03:10:31 like he could be almost like kind of serious and a little scary until you know him really well and you realize that he's like such a joker um i don't know he's uh he's he's he's really cool uh i wish i wish he wanted to be on camera because you guys would freaking love him he's uh he's awesome anyway so he's uh so he's handling the operation he's a pilot um he has mechanic experience as well like he's just so experienced and uh what i said in the video was true uh he told me don't do it, but if you're going to do it, let's do this together. I'm literally going to drop everything. Like, he was working. And he's like, I'm just going to not renew my contracts and let's do it. And he has made it accessible. A lot of people have pointed out that I don't have private aircraft
Starting point is 03:11:24 money. And that is extremely true. Like, obviously, I've done okay, obviously. But What? The kinds of people that I encounter, you know, in the little, the little FBOs, the little, like, private airports and stuff. They don't dress like me. They don't talk like me. They don't behave like me. I feel extremely out of place. They got a really fancy hair.
Starting point is 03:11:53 Yeah. I mean, did you feel a little out of place? Yeah. Remember the carpet they rolled out for that dog? Yeah. You were there for that one, right? I think so, or you told me. I don't remember if this is a manufactured memory or not.
Starting point is 03:12:06 Yeah, anyway. So doing this with my uncle and him enabling it through just safety first, but just being scrappy and finding ways to make it economical has been really fun. I've learned so much, like so much. I think the most fun I had was when we were flying back from New York. and I, man, I didn't know there's a third seat. Yeah, yeah. But when I just sat there talking to them because I had, hunched there.
Starting point is 03:12:39 I thought I was inconvenient. Yeah, not sat there. I was standing hunched over their seats. I thought I was inconveniencing them, but then every time I'd go to leave, they'd keep talking to me. And then I ended up staying there for a really long time. You were there for like two plus hours, I think.
Starting point is 03:12:52 Yeah. After a while, I kind of got the, the, the vibe that I was not inconveniencing them, and then I just hung out for a long time. And it was really fun talking to them about, how the machine to use his language, how the machine works. Because like that's going to be way more interesting to me than anything else. Oh, and just hearing all the theory and watching them go through the motions of how you deal with like logging fuel usage and dealing with weather events through the course of, I didn't realize you would have a chart of all of the different expected weather events for the entire trip.
Starting point is 03:13:27 And then you'd have to compare that against what it actually felt like. And they have the adjusting altitude. They have the old school way and they have their iPads. Yeah. And one of them would do the old school written way and the other one would do the iPad way and then they would compare notes. And it's just so the whole thing was that was very fun. That was actually, that was super cool. And then the last piece was the content piece.
Starting point is 03:13:49 And I actually really wish I'd talked about this more in the video. But this has already unlocked the ability to do things that just would have been either, either from a shoot what's the term for it a opportunity cost standpoint or from just a time and logistics standpoint
Starting point is 03:14:11 completely impossible we wouldn't have been able to do the WAN show live from Zero Trust World with Threat Locker if it wasn't for this Luke this is hilarious he made a comment as we were as we were going back to the airport
Starting point is 03:14:25 in order to fly back that last time he went down to Zero Trust World, he spent so long traveling to get down there that we were already leaving by the time he would have still been traveling to arrive there. That was a bit of a special thing because I landed, I had a connection through Toronto,
Starting point is 03:14:45 and that was when the plane and the helicopter smacked into each other or something. I think that was the one, but the whole airport was having disaster, and then I ended up to stay there overnight and all this kind of stuff. But still, that did happen. So, yeah, it's also kind of difficult, as far as my understanding goes, to get a direct flight from Vancouver to Florida. So being able to just do it yourself is a pretty big skip in regards to time. It's pretty, it's pretty crazy.
Starting point is 03:15:13 And so from a business standpoint, there have already been multiple things that we've kind of looked at and gone, this is less stupid than it might initially seem. It's a little. That's very stupid. Of course. But, and then this is another thing. But maybe not as stupid as you thought. This is another thing that I wish I had talked about more in the video.
Starting point is 03:15:39 But like, I mean, it was a very free wheel. It wasn't scripted. Elijah and I were just hanging out and checking it out. He'd never seen it yet. Yeah. There's a couple points where I thought it was scripted. No, it's not scripted. Okay.
Starting point is 03:15:47 Yeah. We're just that good. Sure. But yeah, it's intended to be very temporary. Yeah, right. This is not. How long? do you kind of want to keep it for?
Starting point is 03:15:59 Well, my uncle's getting older. He's not going to be flying forever. And so this was the window. If I wanted to cosplay as a billionaire or Taylor Swift or whatever, by the way, fun fact, fun fact, this is another thing I now have in common with Taylor Swift. He loves this.
Starting point is 03:16:17 Big thighs and both of us once at some point owned a Falcon 900B. She apparently used to have a Falcon 900B. She has a way, way better jet. now, but yeah. Yeah. I just, I thought that was,
Starting point is 03:16:30 I thought that was funny. I immediately asked if they had the same one, but apparently, no, no, not this one. I was looking to ask. Is there, is there a thing like, I know there's a decent amount of pilots that aren't the youngest.
Starting point is 03:16:42 Is that, is that a profession that you age out of earlier, though? It feels like it could be. Um, it depends. So for commercial, you age out sooner.
Starting point is 03:16:51 And then for things like firefighting, which is, um, really, really, really challenging work from my understanding. You can age out of later. And then corporate aviation, you age out of later. So like, like the big, well, the big jumbo jets with hundreds of people on them, you age
Starting point is 03:17:10 out of first is my understanding. So it's not difficulty as risk. So my uncle, so my, so my, yeah. So my uncle is allowed to do what we're doing as long as his health continues to check out. Sure. And, and, you know, whatever limitations there are, I'm not an expert on the subject. I've just learned what I've learned from talking to him about it.
Starting point is 03:17:30 This is it. This is the window. This was our opportunity to do this. This is one of those things that like I've seen a lot of, I've seen a lot of feedback about, you know, well, couldn't you have used that to pay people more? We've talked extensively about our compensation over the last little while and how does LMG spend money? We're above norms. If someone is not making as much as they would have liked here, then I've made it very clear in the past,
Starting point is 03:17:58 then you should have a conversation about whatever that is, whatever reason that is. We've scaled our comp both individually and across the entire company, very healthfully, especially when you consider the overall macroeconomic conditions over the last few years. The numbers are just the numbers. And if there's someone who disagrees,
Starting point is 03:18:17 then they might need to do some introspection at some point. about why their number was their number. That's all. And I don't wish anybody ill will. Really do want the best for everyone who's here, whether it's here or whether it's somewhere else. And that's totally fine and that's totally healthy to move on and do something somewhere else as well.
Starting point is 03:18:37 But in terms of sort of the cost here, it's not coming out of what we would have spent for HR at all. It's coming directly out of what would have normally been profit for the company. okay so when we calculate our profit we're not going to we're not going to compare this year
Starting point is 03:19:02 to last year without taking it out basically okay yeah sure yeah I'm not I'm not and and it's not a sustainable thing forever as well I recognize that
Starting point is 03:19:17 this is not something that we're going to be able to do forever my uncle's not going to be able to do this forever but while it's happening it's been it's been pretty cool to hang with him and and do this together so if something happens negatively because of company performance yeah the the the jet would have been deleted from that equation so last year was a tricky year
Starting point is 03:19:43 I mean we talked about this in in our all hands recently Q1 went really well it ended up being a perfect storm the shipstorm sale event like practically saved the year last year. And then our projections for the rest of the year were actually looking really good because we were way ahead due to shipstorm. And then, hmm, what is it that corporate leaders like to call it?
Starting point is 03:20:06 Headwinds? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's an apt metaphor right now. Headwinds hit, but the trigger had already been pulled. There was no real, like, backing out at that point. Because, like, we've talked on Wancho about how the channels are doing worse and stuff. Yep.
Starting point is 03:20:22 And I mean, if you look at LTT channel over the last month-ish, it's been a bloodbath, to be completely honest. There was like, there was the MacBook video and the Linux video that just banged. And then bloatware did okay. And then TikTok teptics did really well as well. Yep. That'll be a slow burn. That one will do really well in the long term. And then it started to just kind of like, oh, the fire truck video was rough.
Starting point is 03:20:50 And then we scraped a million a few times. and then the this video was and then this video which like should have slapped but nobody's building computers right now so it didn't do that well and then a long burn build guide thing and in this video which surprised you don't care about that build guide I'm legitimately not worried about yeah long burn yeah so let me give you the glass half full side of this okay the fire truck videos were committed a long time ago we knew they weren't going to be performers we were fulfilling videos we committed to do. Okay.
Starting point is 03:21:24 We knew. Here, if you go down a little bit. Whoa. What the ones that are performing well have in common is that they're back to basics. They're back to what made LTT, LTT. Things like the TikTok hacks. That Was Remote one is a really cool video.
Starting point is 03:21:45 I don't know if you've watched that. No, I watched the whole thing. I really like that video. That's going to be a slow burn. It's going to do great. It's not a product. anybody's heard of. Like, nobody knows what that is.
Starting point is 03:21:52 I'm not expecting that to get a ton of views right on day one. Yeah. If you go down a little bit farther. Or when I're getting to things that were very strong. Oh, I thought you started here. Yeah, I started right here and already pointed out there very strong. You can go back up. The stuff that's doing, here, we'll go back here.
Starting point is 03:22:13 So the stuff that's doing well still, like the Korean Mall walk, for instance, is just like back to basic stuff. and we're having a lot of conversations internally, and we have been for a long time, but what we're finally doing is taking solid action on it to make our production process more agile, more spur of the moment. We're very scheduled.
Starting point is 03:22:38 We've gotten very big. Yeah. And we've got a lot of people who, you know, are racies, right? You know, who needs to be informed and who needs to take action and all of that stuff? Who's responsible? And that's all, you know, you know, it's all important stuff so that, you know, people's lives aren't just like running around
Starting point is 03:22:57 putting out fires all day, but it's made us less agile. And so that's where that video that I wrote yesterday came from. It was just like, hey, what does this workflow look like? Another thing that I've talked to the writing team about is I'm going to go back to writing more. We did one video a little while ago where the lab just did the like the testing in the one pager and I just earphones in wrote it instead of having someone else write it and then I go to a script review and that was for shoot what was that for it was for um is that the CPU launch yeah it was the 9850 x3d right uh I think so sounds right anyway so the plan is to start doing two of those a week, like now, where it's just like back to, I don't know how to describe it,
Starting point is 03:23:51 other than just like back to what made LTT fun and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, we've, we've, we've, we're, where you went to be kind of up to date with what was going on in like the techy world. And I don't mean tech linked because that's news. Yep. I mean like kind of more than that. And it, yeah, I don't know. Wasn't fully fulfilling that for a while.
Starting point is 03:24:27 And you know what? I think I allowed myself to stop having fun. Yeah. Tech got really depressing and boring. And you know what? Good News Wanshow is another like concrete action that we're taking to just get back to just having fun doing this. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:24:44 Get back to having fun. Yeah. There is, yeah. There's, there's some stuff. It's, it's just, I don't have
Starting point is 03:24:51 any ownership in LTT. I don't have any visibility in the finances and all that kind of stuff. But, um, there have been actions taken because of low company performance.
Starting point is 03:25:11 Um, so it's, it's a little tough. guess. But I guess there's separation in jet expenses and to that. Yeah, okay. All right. Yep. I mean, I made it really clear in how does LMG spend money that we expected to get back to closer to 20%? And that's with that separated out. Right. So that's with that peeled. That's with it completely out. Yeah. And so realistically, right now, temporarily, what would have been, what would have been my take? I'm just like, well, I'm going to use it on this gamer jet. We're going to.
Starting point is 03:25:43 going to milk it for some content. We're going to use it to make travel way more comfortable for me and the team that is going to do this stuff. And hopefully we're going to unlock some pretty cool content. Because we can go in and out of non-major hubs now. Yeah. And we can do it at times that are not necessarily normal times. So, you know, a perfect example of something that I'd love to be able to do more is, do you remember that video I did going down it and touring Kenton Techhouse. Yes. I'd love to be able to do more stuff like that.
Starting point is 03:26:17 So that's the kind of thing that, you know, if you were sending a, like, a content suggestion, as long as we can find a sponsor to make it make sense, because I can tell you right now, just a normal, like, ad insertion like we would typically do in our video is not, is not going to cover it. Like, we'd have to be able to, we'd have to be able to make the economics if it makes sense, but we'd love to be able to do more of, like, this kind of, this kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. that was cool
Starting point is 03:26:44 but we can't do stuff like that if it means day of travel day of shooting oh no we missed the cutoff for the last flight back day of travel again i can't be out of office for three days to make one video it just doesn't work right you've you've described this like uh to me at least when we were discussing it pretty early on you called it uh a life phase which I thought was interesting wording. I, um, it's like, it's trying to make it fun again.
Starting point is 03:27:19 I want to, I want to try to make it fun again. I want to try to, you know, we're always trying to do something different that no one else can do. Um, I don't think anyone else in the tech YouTuber space would have the connections with my uncle in order to be able to do something like this. Sure. Um, literally. And so, you know, we always want to, we always want to level it up a bit. We always want to do something, do something different. If it ultimately doesn't work, what I said in the video is true.
Starting point is 03:27:48 I've had a lot of people question this, the zero dollar math. We will be able to get out of this thing for very near what we spent on it. I'm very confident in that. Do you want to talk about one of the things that is reducing expenses because of that contract thing? I want to speak somewhat vaguely, but hopefully I can get it across to you. a maintenance portion of it that is like not being paid intentionally? No, that's probably too far in the bolts. Sure.
Starting point is 03:28:17 I mean, it's not a secret. Basically, engines can be on service plans that effectively are their insurance, but insurance where you know the thing will die and you know when it will die. So basically it's just a payment plan. So you go on a payment plan for your engine and then when it reaches the of its service life, you've effectively paid for the work of having it refurbished. And that's what that plane just went through. So because they're sitting at like zero hours effectively, the scrappy way to do it is to not enroll it on one of those programs because those will
Starting point is 03:28:56 cost hundreds of dollars per flight hour per engine in order to pay for. But if this was something where you were just going to run it into the ground anyway, then you can roll it. the dice and if one of them happens to fail, which it probably won't because it's in great near new condition, then you just, then you're stuck with a big bill. So that's the other thing is it's insurance because if it dies early, then they also cover it there. So right now we are not enrolled in an engine service plan. Yeah. It's not a safety issue. If you flip it, then they can decide to do that. Yeah. Or we could buy in if we're informed at the time, when it comes to flip it, that it's better to have it enrolled.
Starting point is 03:29:40 Are you worried about the cost of jet fuel spiking? Oh, yes. Not just in regards to your own usage, but in regards to your ability to flip it. Honestly, no. I suspect that in the time scale that we're going to be doing content and using this thing. You think the straight's going to open again? I suspect the straight will be open. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:30:05 Got it. And the oil will full. flow, so to speak. Yeah, the spice. Good old flowing spice. Did you see any, did you see any more sort of interesting questions? I've been really busy answering.
Starting point is 03:30:21 I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to be as thorough as I can right now. So I've been pretty focused on, you know, answering your questions. Toffridge is saying, can you talk about the timeline for flipping? Sure. Yeah. So just with, you know, the age of everyone involved, the idea that I had in the back of my brain was one to three years and probably closer to the middle of that. And you've had it for, I don't know, half a year now? Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 03:30:53 Yep. And so depreciation curve, this bird's from 1990. Yeah. Right? So something of this class, like this kind of range. this kind of passenger capacity that's brand new today would be, oh man, like 35 to 45 mil or so. We are not there anymore. We're down here.
Starting point is 03:31:19 And what's nice about the depreciation curve is it's kind of like a car in that a lot of the depreciation happens really fast. And then over time, if you buy a 1990 Honda Civic today and you sell it in two years, it will probably be worth as a still functioning vehicle that the doors still roll up and down very similar to what you paid for it because it's already very old unlike a car this has decades of maintenance records and we know that it was taken care of extremely well um so we we we have solid assurance and it just had a new engine put in you know so we have solid assurance that it was in it was at the at the high end of the
Starting point is 03:32:04 the bottom of that depreciation curve, meaning it has some room to go down a little bit more before we will actually lose, lose. There's also some questions about, can you actually make it a, I'm paraphrasing a little bit and leading you a little bit because I know the answer, but can you actually make it like a tech jet?
Starting point is 03:32:24 How is it going to become a game or plane? So there's going to be limits in terms of what we can do, like really hard limits. That was something that very early in the exploration stage of hey is this feasible like is this is this something that we could just crazy
Starting point is 03:32:41 like do for a bit and then and then not do anymore but but make some cool videos and like we found out that you pretty much can't you can't screw anything into it no bolts no screws adhesives though so if we were to do like
Starting point is 03:33:00 a sky high land party or something like that where we would get into the tech details. I always tell the team we need to have learning outcomes. We need to have tech tips no matter what the video is, no matter what it's about. So what we'd be getting into there is realistically
Starting point is 03:33:16 how light and how low power can we make our systems? Because we're going to be, it's an older bird, 1990. Doesn't have like a super robust auxiliary power system to run your high spec, you know, desktop gaming PC in the cabin. So how light can we get everything?
Starting point is 03:33:36 How low power can we get everything? Primarily low power, yeah. We can't bring a giant jackery with us because even though this was something that blew my mind, I can totally take a sword onto the plane with me because there's no security. I can't just take any old, like, giant battery bank
Starting point is 03:33:53 that I want. You're still subject to like FAA guidelines as far as that goes. That kind of makes sense, I think. Totally makes sense. Yeah. So if we're bound by just like, compliant battery banks and the one outlet we have from the galley,
Starting point is 03:34:08 how big of a land can we have? I could see that being kind of an interesting video. But realistically, that's not like the first thing I'm going to want to do. I think Elijah, I'm just going to be straight up with you guys. He just wanted to write it. And I was like, okay, if you can contrive a video that gives you an excuse to ride it,
Starting point is 03:34:25 then you can come on the next trip we're taking. And he pitched one the next day, and it was pretty much building a high, building a PC while high. Anyway, we're going to say, I feel like you would just go really solid battery life laptops. If you weren't trying to make a fun video. That'd be the smart way. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:34:48 Oh, totally. But Elijah, and we're not going to just fly for that because that would be crazy. But basically, the extra cost is just going to be Elijah's predium and, like, hotel. And then he's going to ride along to something that we were already doing. Sure. That had a sponsor and stuff. So that'll be one. But the one that I'm actually most excited to do, and Dan, I would like you to join me for this.
Starting point is 03:35:14 Uh-oh. It's going to be a lot of fun. It has an inflate entertainment system. Oh. I didn't really touch on it in the video with Elijah. It is the worst piece of dog shit that I have ever seen in my life. It is the worst implementation. execution, design.
Starting point is 03:35:35 It's so bad. Sort of. It's so, yeah, kind of. It's so bad. And I just, Dan, I'd like you to experience it with me. I'm excited. I'd like to figure out if there's a way for us to, without putting in any screws, fix it.
Starting point is 03:35:51 You could use adhesive to put a screen in it. We could duct tape an iPad to the screen. I think we could figure something out. I feel like with Dan's innovation and That sounds like an intro. Pancratts wants in, too, apparently. Nice. Oh, hell yeah.
Starting point is 03:36:05 Pancrets and Dan. Yeah, with Pancratz and Dan, I feel like we could do something with it. I feel like your intro is that you duct tape an iPad to the screen. That's not bad. And this is Dan's idea. No, that was my solution. That sounds like a much better thing that I came up with. And then you go and then you go like, okay, well, this is my solution.
Starting point is 03:36:25 What do you guys want to do? That sounds fun. Yeah. So I'm very excited for that video. There was a question. I hope I didn't lose it. Let me go find it. Can you say anything about why the industry is so secretive about sale price? No. I had a few people post that it's BS that there could be any kind of NDA on the sale price. News to me. But I'm just going based on what our lawyer, because there's no way that you buy something like this without a lawyer involved, our lawyer told my uncle told me, is that this agreement, or no, my lawyer told my uncle told Yvonne told me.
Starting point is 03:37:05 So something could have gotten missed. But my understanding is that whether it's actually in black and white or the agreement or whether it's just gentlemanly conduct, it is not something that is disclosed who you bought it from, even though you can look up who owned it. You can literally look it up, but you don't talk about who owned it or what you paid for it. And you see this a lot.
Starting point is 03:37:32 Like if you were to, if you were to go on here and go, uh, Falcon 900B. And by the way, like, how wild is it? Oh, bloody hell. Uh, how wild is it that like, for how low volume this world is, that it's like this organized? And there's like, it's like this easy to just browse airplanes. Yeah. Anyway. Um, I looked it up.
Starting point is 03:37:55 There's a lot of this. I try to ignore the, yeah. Call for price, call for price, call for price. And this is on older planes that, you know, realistically have fewer people that are trying to protect, you know, the actual worth of, and most people are still not disclosing a sale price, which I've never understood. Commercial real estate's like that, too. Call for price. Why don't you just fucking tell me the price? Then I know if I have to call you.
Starting point is 03:38:21 Why don't we just not waste anybody's time? Seems pretty smart to me. Sir, what are you going to say? I Googled it, tried to ignore the AI summary, but the AI summary. did say that sales of private jets and business aircraft very often involved non-disclosure agreements. And then I found this other one, which is some attorney website. It says that prior to entering into discussions surrounding the sale and purchase of an aircraft, the party should sign a non-disclosure agreement by which they agree to keep all shared information confidential.
Starting point is 03:38:51 Does that include the price? I don't know, but I don't feel like breaking an NDA today. Yeah, sure. So it's really that simple. don't know I think that's it for questions that I've seen in chat
Starting point is 03:39:07 okay cool yeah it was uh it was one of those videos that I was like sitting there ready to push publish and I was like but overall
Starting point is 03:39:20 the reaction has actually been not that bad surprisingly like there's sorry I uh someone mentioned that the
Starting point is 03:39:34 ISS might have passed the midpoint and my cares about the plane vanished so I'm not there yet oh okay lips no one cares about ground craft yeah yeah why don't you want a spaceship inside the atmosphere loser in the atmosphere like some kind of chode yo it did just a bit but it did that is so cool how fast are we moving I mean you can see it on on the little slower on the moon over there just watching the numbers tick down, that's crazy. Yeah. Just watching them tick down like seconds? It's weird.
Starting point is 03:40:12 It's so fast. You forget how fast everything's moving. Yeah. It's crazy. Wow. At the bottom, you can play the expected trajectory. Is it this? No.
Starting point is 03:40:26 At the bottom, you can play the expected trajectory. Right? Oh, there we go. Play. So cool, like the gravity snapshot stuff. And then they did the math wrong. and they're just into deep space. Hopefully, hopefully that's actually funny.
Starting point is 03:40:49 NASA tracker says it's not. Oh, okay, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They can go clean the James Webb. Unity, hello. Um, no. Okay, distance from Earth, distance to moon. Oh, no, okay.
Starting point is 03:41:17 Yeah. Is this updating in real time, though? Oh, oh, yeah, looks like it. Looks like it. Okay, all right. Interesting. Well, let's see how far it can get while we do after dark. Time for some checkout messages.
Starting point is 03:41:30 Sure thing. It's weird that they disagree. Hey, LLD, I'm loving hexOS so far. What is a good free or lifetime license PC backup program you would recommend? I mean, isn't it included in Windows these days? Also, one drive? Here's a crazy, here's a... No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 03:41:49 Like the Windows backup and recovery thing. here oh my god oh like that type of piece bankrupt just said Windows backup has become horrible I'm not surprised it's like everything else on Windows wow here's my question hear me out hear me out why you love you have hexOS you have a NAS just don't store anything on your computer at all either with a separate drive or with a partition
Starting point is 03:42:15 you put all your games there and then like dude I don't know man for maybe maybe this is just me, but setting up a new Windows for me takes like half an hour, maybe. Where, like, setting up a new phone sucks. Like, that is so tedious, yeah. But setting up a Windows computer these days, I feel like is really fast. Apparently, you can still use Windows 7 backup. That's nuts.
Starting point is 03:42:44 Isn't it like a separate program? I've never done it. I've always just fresh installed and then copied files on. Windows 7 backup Let's go Windows 7 backup I'm so happy that it searched it I'm so happy that it searched it dude
Starting point is 03:42:57 Look at this How about Okay this is the most BS BS Confirm and set later How about no Where is my no
Starting point is 03:43:09 button It's like Seriously this has like Date rape vibes You also can't alt-if for it Confirm or do it later No How about no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 03:43:22 Also, forcing this huge pop-up is really annoying. It could be like a little banner at the bottom or something. Immediately annoying the heck out of people the second they open your browser thing is not the way to get people to use it. How do I, how do I, I don't think so? Download it. Oh, okay. Backup and restore Windows 7. I don't see this anymore.
Starting point is 03:43:49 I don't see this, I don't see this tech tip anymore. This is from December 20204, though. It's not that long ago. All right, well, that might be a thing, but it's not something that I can find immediately. So, man, a good backup program. I always really liked, shoot,
Starting point is 03:44:10 what's that imaging program that I always used to use to? Paragon. Is Paragon still good? Admittedly, I have not, I have not used it in a long time. Oh, that's a throwback. Yeah. Paragon used to be pretty based.
Starting point is 03:44:26 They used to have pretty good, like, data recovery stuff, too, didn't they? Oh, I used their data recovery stuff. Yeah. Their... In comparison. The data stuff's great. I think I use that for trying to find my Bitcoin wallet. Just going through, like, so many old partitions.
Starting point is 03:44:44 It was super useful. But it's pretty old. clearly and shitified a little bit. Oh no, they actually do give me pricing. And perpetual. Perpetual license. Okay. Based, based, based.
Starting point is 03:44:56 Is Paragon still good? If someone tells me, yes, Paragon is still good, then I'm ready to recommend it, because I've been really happy with it in the times that I have used it. They didn't find my Bitcoin wallet, but they sure gave me hope. Nice. That might be worse. never mind at least I might
Starting point is 03:45:21 buy a Linus coin maybe I might have missed that too nobody seems to hate Paragon so I haven't used it in years that's a huge defense in current year that is a pretty huge defense in current year
Starting point is 03:45:35 that's a good point I'm gonna say that hey hey look they have a community edition for free you can at least try it like the mass effect all right cool um okay let's see
Starting point is 03:45:50 we'll get more hey l l and d I'm really happy with the blank t quality order 10 of them last time oh okay wow cool I hope to get a good coin to buy some more question for Linus
Starting point is 03:46:03 have you continued vibe coding how did it go I haven't I mean I don't want to spoil the conclusion for the vibe coding challenge which is still progressing in fact you guys filmed some stuff this week told that you had continued.
Starting point is 03:46:15 Oh, I did continue it. Okay. And I tried to continue it, but I ran into some walls that I'm sure we're going to talk about this part of the video. That's interesting because I was, okay. I mean, we can talk about that part of the video, but I heard that you had continued it and were still continuing it, and I was very stunned that you had not hit the walls. Oh, the walls have been hit.
Starting point is 03:46:39 Okay. Hard. That makes a lot more sense. The walls are like halfway between. my nose in the back of my head, how flat my face is against the wall. Way more sense. Because I was like, really? I mean, I'm almost 40. I hit the wall a few years ago. You know what I'm saying? There's a good salt and pepper era for men. Yeah, maybe. Whatever you tell yourself. Yeah. I'm not worried about it. I feel like for the Silver Fox, you have to be tall.
Starting point is 03:47:12 I feel like shorter guys can be good looking when they're young, but I feel like to pull off the silver fox, you like actually have to be tall. You're mostly a man on camera. People can't tell how tall you are unless you're standing next to other people. I think you do have to be tall. You're right. You just got to be more aggressive.
Starting point is 03:47:28 You get some pumps. More aggressive about, okay. You know, you got to be more aggressive about standing on Apple Boxes. Oh, Apple Boxes. Standing on those beneath you. Ever talking about Apple Boxes, jeans.
Starting point is 03:47:40 Apple Boxes, jeans. boots with the fur. Dead cat with the fur. Can we even still call them that? Who knows? Yeah, I think so. I think you can still call it a dead cat. I genuinely don't know. Windsock.
Starting point is 03:47:55 A microphone fluff. Windsock? Microphone fluff with the fur. It doesn't have the same ring to it. Really doesn't. All the cameras are pointing in er. Hey there, Dalilu.
Starting point is 03:48:11 As an aspiring design, of repairable products. How does one sell the slack jawed on them without having them come across as gimmicky, aimed at diehards or otherwise not quote unquote normal? Most consumers will not actually buy something for that reason. So you just have to make it really good. And then your conviction of things should be repairable is just going to have to exist and make it a repairable object. you will have some very loud people on your side if you make it repairable which is awesome but that is basically just marketing and their message is going to have to effectively be this is a really good thing to buy and also it's repairable to actually get through to the
Starting point is 03:48:56 other people who will actually buy it and here's a hard truth you can you can swallow it take it with water um it is gimmicky it is aimed at diehards. It is, it's a gimmicky? No, literally that's what a gimmick is. It's like a, for most people who don't care, I'm agreeing with you, where that most, for most people it is gimmicky, where they ultimately are not going to repair it and it's not important to them.
Starting point is 03:49:24 It just needs to be a good one. You have this. I would argue that that I don't agree. Well, okay, I'm going to look it up. Does gimmick mean, not meaningful? Uh, a trick. or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business. And I'm seeing that it often has negative connotations.
Starting point is 03:49:45 Like it's not actually legit or it's not actually a benefit. Then that's not fair. But it's definitely intended to attract attention, publicity, or business. And so that was what I didn't, I, yeah, I, okay, I yield. Because even if I would argue that I think a lot of people might buy a repairable device that would never repair it under any circumstance. I think that is a fair statement. in my opinion, that's still completely awesome because the second that person doesn't have that
Starting point is 03:50:14 device anymore, it's still repairable by someone else. I'm not saying it's not awesome. What I was, what I was, I've tried and failed to agree with you that for most of the buyers, this will be perceived as just a gimmick because they don't actually care. And it just needs to be a good device. I just, I'm just fighting on the word gimmick. But yeah, I think most people aren't actually going to value that significantly. But if it's just a good device or can do cool things, like, yeah, most people that I know of that have been interested in frameworks,
Starting point is 03:50:48 the repairability side of the framework is not the major purchasing factor. Can you bring it back to money somehow? Like, can you, can you, can you cost of ownership being lower? TCO. Like, can you, can you sell it based on that? Maybe. I don't know what your device is, right? Which is totally legit.
Starting point is 03:51:04 Yeah. Like, but that's how you get a business's attention. is like what's my total cost of ownership, right? You could also argue like if this is something that would be used in like a work scenario, for example, if it's repairable, that might mean less downtime. Because if another one breaks and the only way to get the thing working is to fully replace it, you might not have one on hand. But if you have a few little parts on hand or somebody who's handy available there,
Starting point is 03:51:30 who might be able to make something to replace it and it's highly repairable and thus more able to be done, then that could be a huge selling point for certain businesses or people out in the field that might not be able to get back to a workshop very easily, but they might be able to swap apart. And if you're, if you have a, you know, high repairability score or whatever, that might be a lot more viable when you're out. Think of like John Deere. You really need to be able to repair that thing yourself. You really should be able to. A freaking John Deer, dude. Big jerks. But yeah, I think, I think sell the utility of it being repairable instead of just saying that it's repairable because to a lot of people I think that doesn't have a lot of value it's it's interesting it's like the same there's a bunch
Starting point is 03:52:14 of companies have had this realization like shipping with like environmentally friendly packaging doesn't move the needle on sales um but you you know people that care about that which is care about that enough to make purchasing decisions is actually a very very small amount of people. But those people might be pretty loud about it, which might get your name out there more. Yeah, they might advocate for your brand. Yeah. But then it's still, their advocation of your brand still needs to include that your thing is good or else the other people aren't going to buy it. So you need both. You can't just go with one. See what just happened? My computer just restarted. It was broadcast message system will restart. What the heck? Sorry,
Starting point is 03:53:00 on the subject of packaging, packaging is one that like drives me crazy because it doesn't actually cost that much more to, in many cases we've found, use packaging that is recyclable or biodegradable. It seems like a lot of times it's an active choice. And it's like, it's the unnecessariness that offends me, like how easily they could just, just not. And I get that most consumers won't care. But like, it's really easy, except when it isn't. You know why we have to plastic bags on the backpacks? Container leaking. Not just leaking, but the high humidity and the salt water and the ocean and just like
Starting point is 03:53:52 generally it like scuffing anything that isn't sealed. Because as far as my understanding goes, a lot of packaging stuff is because of like just the chaotic environments, the temperature fluctuations even of containers on ships. because they'll go through some like pretty intense hot and cold cycles even yeah um yes some of the changes on packaging in the US warehouse were
Starting point is 03:54:22 miscommunications uh tour dirk to say the least there were some really weird things going on but we're working it out with our logistics partner there it should be pretty much resolved at this point did my Did my OS just freaking spontaneously combust? Oh no, there it is.
Starting point is 03:54:44 It's coming back. Did you see what happened? No. Which machine is this? What? It freaking did. What? Hold on.
Starting point is 03:54:55 Our OS-E-D is broken. Something. Okay, no. Kibbuntu is booting now. What the heck? Cursed. Cursed. It's never done that before.
Starting point is 03:55:08 In the entire like month plus. of the Linux challenge now. It hasn't done that. That's... Cursed. If you want to fix it, just put it on this side of the table. No, no, keep it away from Luke. Why? Because the curse... It'll get too fresh and minty. Oh, no, I'm immune.
Starting point is 03:55:23 I'm fine. I don't think I've ever seen this blue glowing Kubuntu, though. Or maybe it just has never been up long enough in order to glow blue like this before moving past... Oh, yeah, oh, there was a thing in the corner there. I missed it. I saw it for a sec, too. There's a cursor thing now, too. There sure is.
Starting point is 03:55:39 There's a mouse cursor. I see a mouse cursor. Different kind of cursor. What's going on, man? It's funky. I don't get it, man. Razor, sitting here as the sponsor, the Wanshow being like,
Starting point is 03:55:55 our laptop working perfectly. A couple weeks ago, the fan might have been cranked because of Windows updates, but... Yeah, that's on Microsoft, though. It took so long to pull that out. This isn't a Seuss or whatever. that laptop is.
Starting point is 03:56:10 Still, the cursor, oh, the cursor just went away. Oh. Is that good or bad? Move it. No. Okay. It's just black now. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:56:19 I wonder if my battery, you know what? Maybe my battery just died. I didn't think it would because it was fully charged, but we have been sitting here for, oh my God, four hours. Okay. Where's a plug here? Oh, Dan, did you put this plug in here just for me? Yes.
Starting point is 03:56:34 Yes. When you heard me talk about never having a plug here? It's so nice. Dan? I mean, there was one the whole time. You are the best Daniel Bessler who has ever produced The WAN Show. Thank you. Shall we continue?
Starting point is 03:56:56 We shall. I think my battery might have just died. Sure. I hope. We'll figure it out. Linus Curse. Good day, LLD. Can I get an understanding on if it is Linus, his stylist slash wardrobe, or head of marketing's fault,
Starting point is 03:57:10 that he keeps teasing me with the black, Cody with the lime green highlights that is no longer sold. Okay, this is what I actually needed my laptop for because I pulled up a shower thoughts email that I sent to Bridget, who is our head of fashion. We're kind of expressing, I think, some of what I think you're trying to get across. Basically, what I said is subject was another data point to consider for how we handle design transitions. Again, I want to preface this with that. I understand what you guys are doing with the seasonal styles. I still believe in this direction as we transition from merch to a fashion brand.
Starting point is 03:57:51 But I don't know how to deal with the unavoidable truth that for the styles that have a very distinctive look and end up on camera a lot, we will not even see their peak demand until well after launch once they've had a bunch of exposure. Framework hoodie and LAN, which is the green and black one you're talking about, are the two I've raised this about recently and I understand the pushback from someone on one of them about how they want to do something new rather than just reprint an old thing. But I do worry that we may be doing things the fashion way rather than being open to sort of the way that our business for all of its faults has kind of worked up till now. I'm not asking for change. Just flagging this audience feedback. I hate telling people
Starting point is 03:58:37 too bad you can't buy it when it was only available for a month or 2. Also, though, we can't have a repeat of the overstock situation on WANV2, colon slash face. So some of the ideas that the team has had is, you know, we could maybe have some Linus's favorites that we bring back sometimes. Because the challenge, right, is the minimum, or not the minimum even, but like the order quantity, we try to get it right. And a lot of the time, at our scale, it's the minimum. It's the minimum
Starting point is 03:59:13 order quantity where it even becomes cost effective because you've got to get fabric, you've got to dye fabric, you've got to cut fabric, you've got to produce this stuff. And it all, it all happens at a scale that is like, frankly, mind-boggling. It's a miracle that we're able to make garments at all, to be honest with you. And then once we sell through all of it, typically the sales are really high, and then they kind of peter out, right? Reordering at that time, a lot of the time seems crazy because we can't just order 10. I can't order 10 of these. I have to order something like this, probably anywhere from like 2,000 to 3,000 of these. So unless the sales at the end of the curve justify what we committed to back when we could count on the beginning of the
Starting point is 03:59:56 curve, we're f***ed. It just doesn't, the math doesn't math. And so, but the flip side of that is like, okay, but what about if we, like I said in my email, never even saw that. demand recover because it wasn't even appearing on camera yet by the time we cleared it out effectively. I don't know. It's a tough nut to crack. So bringing back some Linus's favorites once in a while is one idea. As part of the new LTT store website, we're going to have a product archive. And I have talked to the team about maybe having a voting system so that we bring back the top upvoted one
Starting point is 04:00:40 Sometimes or something like that. I think that could be really cool. But it's just, we make so many products because we always want to look forward, right? We always want to move forward. So we make so many products that it's not possible for us to just always perpetually have them always in stock. It just doesn't like work that way in fashion. And that's something that they've really had to kind of beat into my head because I bring more of an electronic sensibility, which operates on like more of a yearly cycle, whereas fashion is fast, man.
Starting point is 04:01:12 is quarterly. Seasons, right? They don't make the rules. And so it's just one of those things that we're learning as we grow and as we change as a company. So in terms of who you can blame, you can blame me. I like that hoodie. And so in the morning, when I look at my hoodies, I often put it on. Should you come into work wearing whatever you want?
Starting point is 04:01:36 And then there be a wardrobe for you for the day picked out by the fashion? to be a merch inclusion form. Do you not get to dress yourself anymore? You tiny boy. I like dressing myself. Nope. I mean, I already only wear merch. I'm literally wearing the hot dog.
Starting point is 04:01:56 We're also not selling... Do we sell the hot dog? Maybe we do still sell that. I don't think the hot dog's still for sale. Okay. It might be. It might be. I've got cargo pants.
Starting point is 04:02:04 I don't know if we carry this color of cargo pants anymore. I'm wearing the underwear though. Am I wearing prototype socks? I am. I am head to toe. The heck are the socks coming? Sorry. You told me soon, soon.
Starting point is 04:02:16 I know, but it's soon. I don't know. I gotta get the webcam ready. It's late. I don't want to bug Dave. I don't want to bug Dave right now. Yeah, I know. Don't bug Dave.
Starting point is 04:02:25 I'm not going to bug Dave. Oh, wait. No, he just messaged. He just messaged. He's around. Okay. Because I need new socks. Oh, Linus coin is marked as sold out.
Starting point is 04:02:34 And the back order flag has been removed. A, like, 20,000 coins. Nice. Yeah, that'll burn through a lot of. of that zinc? I kind of, yeah, I need new socks. Okay, I'm asking. I bought a pair of the darn tough to see what all the hype was about. Are you sold? Are you sold on Marino-blende socks? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Now I want socks. And no, no disrespect to darn tough at any point. They make a great product. I don't...
Starting point is 04:03:05 Now I will own two pairs of great socks. Yep, it's going to be great. More cake or whatever the saying is. Yeah. Have your cake and your other cake? Is that what you're getting at? I think it's like artists think that, you know, that other person makes better cake than me. And the consumers are just like, hell yeah, two cakes. You've got two brands of great socks now instead of just one. You need a, we need to. That's fine. That looks like grub, isn't it? Yes. That's not good. Why is that not good? Because it doesn't normally come up when I boot my computer. Why did you boot into Grub? Oh, no.
Starting point is 04:03:43 You guys, you guys saw it. You saw it live on WAN show. This man's cursed. Mike, it's freaking Kubuntu. Can you boot into Kubuntu off Grub? Went away. You didn't do a selection for too long, I think. That is probably good.
Starting point is 04:04:00 I think it's trying. What are the odds? You guys, yeah, freaking saw it. Okay. I think you're, computer just ran out of power. Maybe that's it. I'm going to check. I'm going to check.
Starting point is 04:04:13 That does break laptops. Is it 10% now? Do you think it would have charged 10% in the... Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Okay. Maybe my battery just died. You know what? That's going to be the canon explanation for it. My battery died. Okay. No big deal. I mean, that's a pretty scary way for the computer to behave when your battery dies. Windows does handle that better. But no harm, no foul.
Starting point is 04:04:50 All right. What's up? Okay. On in shitification plus YouTube's moat. Any insight on how Billy Billy's economy works? So much better than YouTube. Shout it to LTT's Billy Billy Team. Tech puns have transcended So much better than YouTube? And cultural barrier. Billy Billy has a lot of... Just reading it. Don't look at me like that. Cool social engagement for the users, which is pretty neat. Okay, wait. Sorry, what was it? I thought it was based around monetization. Yeah, how does their monetization model work?
Starting point is 04:05:19 Economy, yeah, they asked. I'm not talking about platform features. As far as I can tell, Billy Billy is a flipping huge video platform and has achieved scale is pretty much the only explanation that I can give for it. I thought he meant like creator economy stuff.
Starting point is 04:05:38 No. I don't think he meant, yeah, Billy Billy is enormous. There's no doubt about that. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how are Billy Billy Channel's doing. I haven't actually looked at it recently. We're well over a million now.
Starting point is 04:05:50 subscribers that that is that is one of my coolest play buttons i think it's my second favorite yeah my gold billy billy play button um i can never read views on here is that 40 000 or 4 000 views i don't know four is that 4 000 he has no idea is this four no it's not four a this is this is why i said he has no idea uh four people four people currently watching so he's right I should have even
Starting point is 04:06:31 I should have even known better I know this I know this is person that's like the one Chinese character I know He doesn't even know that I speak fluent Cantonese Andy taught me I don't think this is Cantonese
Starting point is 04:06:47 what the heck is I'm not clicking that I can't try to counter Dan anymore maybe it is Cantonese I don't know I said speech Not read. No, I don't.
Starting point is 04:06:56 Where's the few counter? I have no idea. I'm over it. Oh, okay, sorry. Moving on. I really like their banner. The Billy Billy banner's awesome. Oh, what?
Starting point is 04:07:11 Just the banner at the top? Oh, yeah, it's cute. That's nice. Remember when YouTube had a personality? Oh, Mr. Beast. Oh, God. He's so unsettling. That thumbnail is very unsettling.
Starting point is 04:07:24 Is that? Oh, this is on Billy Billy, Yeah. I think I can taste his teeth from here. Yeah, that's... Hey, it's Steve, but not Steve. Steve 1989, but it's not Steve. Nice.
Starting point is 04:07:47 Solid. All right. Gerey from Oz. Do you run separate VLANs on your home network? I have a VLAN for my IOT devices, but have the issue of changing from my normal to IoT Wi-Fi to use my sonos. Also, prismatic stubby win. I don't know if we're going to do a prismatic stubby. If we were going to do anything,
Starting point is 04:08:08 it'd probably be a transparent. That still sells quite well. As for why I don't bother at home, you answered it. Everything in my home needs to talk to everything in my home, and I don't, can't think of any reason to not. The only, the only exception is that I do have a guest Wi-Fi. And from my understanding, when I click the guest Wi-Fi button, it's doing V-Lan in the background, but I never actually configured VLANs for it. What's up, boys? What are your plans for the summer? What are you guys looking forward to the most?
Starting point is 04:08:43 Honestly. I'm going to play a lot of badminton, probably. Same thing we do every night, Pinky. I think Emma and I are going to have to breathe a little bit after having kind of figured the house out. Now that there's no mold. Yeah. Yeah. Better breathe now.
Starting point is 04:09:03 Yeah. And then kind of figure it out. I feel like I owe her something. So we'll probably have to go somewhere or something. I don't know. We'll, uh, I'll figure it out. Uh, yeah.
Starting point is 04:09:26 At Oss and Flipwin, Chow was like, chicken? Oh, maybe a little more than chicken. Maybe something less transactional. Yeah. Make the chicken together. You guys are going to make a chicken?
Starting point is 04:09:41 I mean, they could dry. Here, baby. You'll get it one day. I'm going to avoid continuing to comment. Build a coop. If I had land, I feel like I would actually have chickens. But it's so weird. Just build a coop in the park?
Starting point is 04:10:01 Yeah, anyways. What is it with you in birds now? I don't remember you ever being a bird guy. No, this is actually completely unrelated. Yeah. Okay, so it's a coincidence. The only two animals you seem to have any interest in owning your birds. Total coincidence.
Starting point is 04:10:15 Genuine coincidence. And that's not true. I want a dog. Okay, I'll allow it. I want a dog way more than I want birds. I just... I have reservations about having a dog in an apartment. I'm not judging other people.
Starting point is 04:10:30 Makes sense. But especially for the size of dog that I would want. and the amount that currently in my life with how busy I am, I would be able to take them out and do walks and stuff, I have reservations without having a dog an apartment. Even for cats who seem to spend a lot of their time just lying around, I was surprised by the change in their demeanor that we noticed moving into a bigger house. It's just one of those things that was not a factor in our decision whatsoever,
Starting point is 04:10:58 but they clearly liked it and were clearly more comfortable. and every cat that we've, every cat we had in our old place always tried to get out the door and every cat that we've had at a new place doesn't try to get out. It's a sample size of only several, but make of it what you will.
Starting point is 04:11:18 Yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, if something changes or... Oh, are you bringing it up? He's bringing it up, he's bringing it up, he's bringing it up. I am. Let's see. Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go.
Starting point is 04:11:32 There, oh, did we catch it? It's coming. It's coming very, very soon. Oh, no, it's not... Oh, I had them reverse. Okay, okay, we're doing it. Very, very soon. It took me a second as well.
Starting point is 04:11:45 Very soon. Okay. Right, like five, four, three, two. Oh, oh, very good, very good. Fairwell! Yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool.
Starting point is 04:12:01 Slip the surly bonds, et cetera. Yeah. Man, that's sick. All right, cool. History. Ever, ever, ever, ever so slightly slowing down. But she's moving. Loving the good news, April. Linus, any suggestions for trying to do touch-ups on a wall that was painted prior to moving in and have no clue what the actual brand or color was? Is this even possible? Yeah, most paint shops will do paint matching, so our color matching. So what you'll do is you will actually, if you want the best possible match, and this is going to feel awful in the moment that you're doing. it, but you'll cut a piece about this big. You'll, you'll use like an exacto knife blade,
Starting point is 04:12:46 so you'll extend it, and then you'll kind of like, you'll bend the blade a little bit, and you'll slice a circle of paint off of the top of the drywall. Ideally, somewhere that has experienced similar fading to the spot you're trying to touch up, because not all the paint on your wall is going to be equal. Things do fade under UV light. And then you'll take that to the paint shop and basically they'll be able to identify the sheen. They have a whole pantone probably like system, but they have a whole like spectrophotometry or whatever, some kind of color, it might be a colorimeter, but they have some kind of color analysis thing. And then they will get it to the point where they will get a paint dab.
Starting point is 04:13:31 They'll put it on there and it should be pretty much indistinguishable from the thing. Then you get some putty. You putty over the like gouged you took out of your wall. and then you touch up both of them with your paint. You just put it on, and then you feather it to blend it a little bit with a very light amount of paint on it. You're never going to get the finish the same with a brush, as you will, with a roller. I mean, I guess there's nothing would prevent you from putting it on with a roller, and then also kind of feathering the edges with that, but that's the way to do it.
Starting point is 04:14:01 Hey, D.L.O., what games have you been playing with your kids? My kids, 16M and 10F, weird names, are still pretty obsessed with Minecraft. And I introduce my daughter to Untitled Goose Game, which she loves. My girls are still super into Minecraft, and my son is, he's a Rocket League fiend. I try to play other games with them, and he just like goes back to Rocket League just about every time. He's pretty good at it, so I think it gets comfortable. Is he ranked? I mean, presumably, but I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 04:14:38 Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm out of touch with my kids, apparently. I don't know what his rank in Rocket League is. That means you're out of touch with your kids. You know what, though? I want to, I want to, like, maybe even this weekend. I want to play GoofSoup with them. Unironically, goaded Super Nintendo game, and I played it when we were doing Sven's AMD Ultimate Tech upgrade
Starting point is 04:15:00 because he got a Retro Tink 4K, and we hooked his SNS up to it. Oh, he has like a B4, I think, LGTV, OLED. Oh, it looks so good. And it's really fun. It's like we played through the first world together, and it's co-op. And it's just really fun. Sweet.
Starting point is 04:15:23 Yeah, so I'm thinking maybe I'll try and play that. Luke, have you played a crimson dessert? No. I haven't either, but it seems like the kind of thing that I'll have to play. Really? It's an RPG, right? Open World RPG? Yes, but a lot of people say that it doesn't.
Starting point is 04:15:41 get good for like many hours. I don't know if it's a Linus game. That might make it not a Linus game. It sounds like it might be a me game. The way that people have talked about it remind me a lot of like the reasons why I liked old Bethesda games. You have no idea what to do and everything is dangerous. And everything is weird and there's all these weird different systems and you can use them
Starting point is 04:16:09 in kind of broken weird ways. It's a single-player game, so who cares? And you just go mess around. But yeah, I haven't tried it yet. I've no idea if it works on Linux. I want to try it soon. It's been very interesting to me. ProtonDB.
Starting point is 04:16:26 Oh, boy. First hit for me is I just created this guide. Oh, no. Gold. Some extra flags you can see. Okay. Well, it looks like it'll require at least a little tinkering. I've never seen this.
Starting point is 04:16:44 It's never come up for me, and it's not even on my ignore list. I'm living in a rock. Okay. No crimson desert. Greetings, gents played tape-to-tape with the cousins recently, but I had trouble getting more than five controllers connected. Have you had any luck with this,
Starting point is 04:17:03 and if so, is it possible to learn this power? Are you on the beta branch? I don't know if the old non-beta branch. supports it but the beta branch is available in the public branch you just have to click beta branch in the intro screen that could be part of it another part of it is that there's a flag in steam um for many controller support um also to go beyond eight you can't use all x input because i believe x input is capped at eight so you'll need at least a couple of d input controllers but yes it can be done we have played five v five locally with tape to tape
Starting point is 04:17:42 and it is so fun. It's super fun. Linus, a couple videos. You dress up in costumes, like in Razorphone or StarForge video, and it looks like you have tons of fun. Who comes up with these ideas, and are you always excited to do dress up?
Starting point is 04:18:00 I love costumes. I think they add so much production value. I think they add fun on set. We did that one recently, where I dressed up in, like, a wrestling onesie. that was hilarious I think everyone has a pretty good time with it Plouf is particularly an enthusiast
Starting point is 04:18:22 when it comes to just playing playing dress up with Linus the doll the line is the cable hero or whatever from the LTT cable launch that was Adam I don't know it's it's fun man I think when you get too old
Starting point is 04:18:44 to enjoy dress up then it's time to just kind of ask yourself, hey, when did I get not fun? You know? I really liked the... If you're too cool to wear a Halloween costume, like ask yourself, are you really that cool? What the heck even was it?
Starting point is 04:19:00 This was forever ago. We filmed a thing. You and I dressed up in like old-timey detective costumes or something? Yeah, for that cooler master sponsored video. Sure, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, a lot of the old, really old, sponsored video things we would do were really fun.
Starting point is 04:19:18 Yeah. Like the origins of, was it tech linked? Or tech quickie or something? We would dump these videos on that channel. Yeah. And it was like, yeah, I don't know. Like sponsored, it was a repository for sponsored videos.
Starting point is 04:19:35 And we would just kind of dump them on there. And then we would also do short tech tip videos just to build up the numbers on that channel. It was never actually intended to be that. It just kind of became that over time. Yeah. And filming those was so much fun. Jumping off the fence with your sword. Oh, God.
Starting point is 04:19:52 I hurt myself doing that. Wait, I jumped off the fence. I did a flip. Oh. That's a fair one up. I didn't land it. So only one of us was up. I was down.
Starting point is 04:20:14 Hi, LLD. I'm currently growing a year. growing my beard for a whole year as a bit to mess with my... Oh my God. Nokia asks, why not do this again? I mean, I'm down. Yeah, I'm down too. I'm down, do it.
Starting point is 04:20:27 We have to find out who did this. Do it, you cowards. Who crashed their car into the store? Sorry. Yeah, I don't know. Wimsy is fun here. Hi, I'm currently growing a year to growing my beard for a whole year as a bit to mess with my wife.
Starting point is 04:20:45 What is your dream bit and what's stopping you from doing? it. A one year long bit to mess with your wife might be a little excessive. Sorry, but damn. Is it worth it? Does this feel like it's going to pay off? Have you ever heard of the happy wife, happy life thing? I tricked you with this thing that you saw happening for a year and it just got grosser and grosser. How do you think bothered wife for a year? what does that result in? Divorce speed run? Yeah.
Starting point is 04:21:23 The bit is I come home and I'm completely clean-shaven after having a beard my whole life. Yeah. Isn't that a bit? And like fairly quickly reversible. Yeah. Depends how long the beard was. This one's reversible too. He just has to decide to reverse it.
Starting point is 04:21:43 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, man, I don't know if I have a dream bit, but there is a funny one that I thought of. We just bought like a Jesus costume so that I can do a thing. Basically I just thought of the idea of turning water
Starting point is 04:21:57 into Segway and I was like can we get a Jesus costume and so resorted one for me. Immediately. I haven't written it into a video yet. Yeah, yeah. Okay. You're gonna be Jesus. Oh man.
Starting point is 04:22:13 That's the only answer I think I have. It was just one of those late night thoughts and I was like, Turn water into Segway. Those are the best. Teach a man to Segway. He can feed himself and his jet. Give a man a Segway.
Starting point is 04:22:31 I don't know. Oh my God. I don't think we should be allowed to be creative, but that's excellent. Okay. Jeez. No, I can't. I can't. I need a second.
Starting point is 04:22:46 Linus, last year, he said, you want to do a video reflecting on thinking of retiring live stream. He can't. He's going to rise again. I was thinking. I was thinking of buying a jet. Do you still have thoughts to share about it now? Do you think of it differently compared to a year ago?
Starting point is 04:23:03 I've been thinking of selling my jet. Oh, man. Oh. I think what I'm more focused on right now is just trying to find the fun again, just doing cool stuff, finding cool tech, finding cool news, finding exciting stuff to do, and doing that, and assembling a crack team that is laser-focused on doing that. That's the short version of it.
Starting point is 04:23:39 I'm coming up on my 40th. I told Luke this the other day. that's caused a lot of introspection lately. And I think if my midlife crisis can be doing some wacky stuff, some high budget wacky stuff and finding the fun and making it really enjoyable to work again, then I will consider that a success. By the way, for people that don't know, I just think this is so cool. NASA's YouTube channel is just sending a continuous live feed right now,
Starting point is 04:24:28 which is just sweet. And they'll switch back and forth between, between like this and mission control and, sorry. That is so cool. I didn't even have to buy a color TV this time. Can you imagine just like, not yet, you might not have to imagine, but like how cool is it going to be for them after this like multi-day journey
Starting point is 04:24:51 to have on the way back. Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that, but just like, can you imagine sitting in there having just seen the back of the moon with human, you're one of four people who has seen the back of the moon with your real human eyes and just like,
Starting point is 04:25:08 the energy in there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It'd be fantastic. So cool. I love as well how I just directed everyone to go there and then the dude spun around and like pointed his butt right at the
Starting point is 04:25:27 camera. NASA Space Flight has full live commentary thing. Yeah, I suspect Space Flight Now is also doing stuff. Let's see. Are they? I have an answer for you, by the way. It's not as exciting as Space Flight, but it is
Starting point is 04:25:46 regarding the socks. Oh? Mid-Summer. Late summer? Before August. That's not. Well, I thought it was sooner. Yeah, Space Flight now does have a 24-7 stream.
Starting point is 04:26:02 Yeah, there's a lot of them. It's really cool. That's not what I was looking for. Before August. Sorry. Okay. Dear Lee-Loo and Da, what's the coolest branded PC or console product?
Starting point is 04:26:21 You guys have ever had the privilege of owning. Mine are the Starfield controller. Xbox 1 Halo edition and Warcraft MSI graphics card. Steel Series had that weird wow mouse. Did that count? Did you own that? I mean, I unboxed one. Oh.
Starting point is 04:26:40 Um, I can tell you one that I'm not a fan of. A sous sent over a sample of this PX13 Pro Art laptop, which is a super cool laptop. It has weird GoPro co-branding. Yeah, I don't get it. So it just has a GoPro logo, and then it has a GoPro logo, and then it has a... go-pro button. I'm on Linux right now, so I have no idea what the GoPro button even does. But then it just, it has like, GoPro art. Go-Pro art, pro-art, GoPro, go-art, go-pro, be the hero of your story on the bottom. Like, I don't know,
Starting point is 04:27:12 GoPro seems like a fine brand, but it just seems very random. Yeah, it's just weird. Viscis-Cree says it's got to be the gold Xbox controller. That's not co-branded. That's just, that's just ridiculous. Last one I got for you. What? I didn't we're going to get an answer from Luke. Oh, I don't, I don't, know if I literally have any. He would have had to buy something. You have a Pokemon branded computer. No.
Starting point is 04:27:35 It's not branded. It's not branded. It's specifically not branded. It's specifically not branded. It's got a trainer on it. It's themed. Whoa. All right. What's next? Dude, you're taking off. You're going to go join Artemis. That was crazy. Last time I got for you. What home automation or
Starting point is 04:27:59 smart home solution that you've implemented has been your favorite and which would you consider most essential i'm a space cadet so the notification that i get if i've left my garage door open is by far the most important smart home automation that i have in my life i just forget i can literally i don't even know if i have full object persistence at this point because i can be looking at my garage going i need to close that and then i can look at the road and i no longer remember my garage exists. So yeah, it helps a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 04:28:38 And that's all we got. Thank you so much for tuning in. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time. Different channel. That's right. You got to go to the WAN show channel now going forward. You could come here, but it will be worse.
Starting point is 04:28:58 Yeah. Unless you're on full plane. Or Twitch? Are we leaving Twitch alone? we're going to leave them alone forever you're being left alone bye

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