The WAN Show - Intel's CEO Needs to GO.... - WAN Show August 8, 2025

Episode Date: August 9, 2025

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down what's up everyone and oh welcome to the wandshow now whoa whoa whoa hold on slow down slow down the phone there the president of the united states has called for the immediate resignation of Intel CEO Lit Bhutan as a big fan of Pat Gelsinger, at least a fan of Gelsinger's vision for Intel, which, you know, admittedly did involve losing a lot of money over a period of time to kind of rebuild their manufacturing competitiveness. I, um, what can I say? I kind of agree. Liputan's vision appears to be to gut the workforce. and part out the company piece by piece, which I'm having a real hard time getting aligned with.

So for completely different reasons, we seem to, we seem to agree. What else we got? Ooh, it's been a big week in AI. We're going to be talking about GPT5. Oh my God, there's so much this week. That's right, Jeannie 3. Also, Elon Musk says that X is going to put ads in GROC's chatbot answers, meaning that advertisers could pay to have their product be

the ideal solution that GROC suggests. Wow. We skipped the part where the product was free but good, and we went straight to the insh-sha-facation. Move fast and break everything, right? Good job, Silicon Valley. What else we got? Yeah, yeah. Speaking of good job, Silicon Valley, except they're not in Silicon Valley, Microsoft thinks that we'll throw away our keyboards by 2030 because, I don't know, they're dumb. Also, Google claims that AI isn't killing website clicks, but I don't know. Maybe they think that because they're dumb. We'll see. What's with you and everything being dumb this week?

This is like clearly stupid takes, but whatever. The show is brought to today by Odu, Proton and Vessi, along with, of course, our Rapp Partner D brand, our Dell partner, Laptop brand, our laptop brand, our laptop partner, Dell brand, good Lord, and our chair partner Secret Lab. Look, I'm on vacation this week. I'm not even supposed to be here. Why do we jump right into our headline topic, which is, of course, that Lip Butan appears to be wrecking Intel. Hold on a second. Why am I not able to find this topic in the dock? Yeah, where did it go?

Did I pick a headline topic and then not? Oh, yeah, no, I found it. Cool. Okay, so it's actually combined with another topic. Computers may get more expensive. Due to 100% tariffs being promised on semiconductors and chips. Also, Intel's new CEO is highly conflicted, according to six-time senior golf winner and president Donald Trump,

who took a break from golfing to talk about all of this. So first of all, he announced that he will impose a 100% tariff on all semiconductors and chips unless the companies make commitments to build in the United States. at this point, it's not clear 100% how much manufacturing needs to be done on U.S. soil for it to count as building in America. It's also not clear if these things ever have to actually happen. Was it Foxcon back in the day

during the first administration that broke ground on that factory that then just disappeared and was like a huge mystery? It might be right, but I mean the biggest example of this, my opinion is the American Telecom thing where they're like everyone's going to get fiber we're going to spend billions of dollars on this and then just nothing happened

Um Was it Foxcon you guys I don't remember who it was Yeah the the Foxcon sells to sells former factory to Mystery buyer Uh yeah okay yeah apparently it was It was Foxcon

Uh Foxcon mostly abandons A $10 billion dollar Wisconsin project this is from April 2021 so it's unclear to me how much of the you know hundreds of millions of dollars or whatever that these companies commit is actually contractually obligated to ever take place like that that Foxcon one was super weird I forget who it was I forget if it was the verge or WAPO or someone basically kind of like went around and found the people who legitimately like seemed to work for Foxcon in Wisconsin and they like wouldn't talk to anybody and it was super weird

and they had these buildings they were leasing but like you could look in them and there didn't seem to be anybody in there and like the whole thing was super super weird like super weird uh toaster pilot says the plan was literally written on a napkin yeah i don't know there was a there was a photo op and they broke ground and then the whole thing just seems to have kind of disappeared. Anywho, if a company is either building currently or making a commitment to build in America, there will apparently be no tariff and whether or not you have to actually follow through on these commitments, TBD, apparently.

That same day, Donald demanded that the immediate resignation of Intel CEO Lipbut Tan, calling him highly conflicted due to his ties to China. firms. Since back in April, Tan invested about 200 million in hundreds of Chinese chip manufacturing firms, some being tied to the Chinese military. Tan has not made a comment or spoken about this yet since this public outing by Trump, but the Intel stock did drop about 4% since Trump's posting. Our discussion question is characteristically Eli. Thank you, Elijah, for this. How long before Donald calls you out? for being invested in Framework and Eshtek, who makes HexOS.

Isn't Eshtek an American company? Yes. So wouldn't that make him happy? Isn't that literally building in America? I think Framework is American. I think Carney would need to call you out. I think that's what we need to happen. Yeah, Framework's American, too.

So I don't know. Maybe I'm in the current U.S. administration's good. graces? Yeah, you're just a traitor to Canada, not to the state. All right. Sorry, my fellow Canadians. It was truly nice being a fellow Canadian with you all. Okay, in all seriousness, I do feel like I already kind of covered this when I was just teasing the topic earlier. But while I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the things that the current U.S. administration is doing, as far as I can tell, whether it's the board or Intel's current CEO or both of them, I am super unhappy with what's happening to Intel right now, and it feels like they've basically

made the decision, and maybe they know things that I don't know, you know, maybe this whole thing is just doomed. It's barreling toward a cliff anyway, and none of this matters. But it seems like pretty much everything they have done since he took the helm instead of being like okay this is my Canadian showing here I guess but it feels like Gelsinger came in and he was the unpopular general manager who told the fans okay it's a full rebuild we're we're stripping down the team we're going to have literally multiple seasons of not making the playoffs yes it's a hockey analogy. Okay, we're going to have multiple seasons where we don't make the playoffs. We're not even going to, we're not even going to smell the Stanley Cup for like the next

three to five years. But what we're going to do is we're going to suck so bad. We're going to put everything. We're going to put everything into the future product. We're going back to recruitment and the farm team and, you know, whatever. Okay, my analogy is falling apart. The point is that he came in with a plan that was not a fun plan to endure. And everyone went, okay, good plan. Full rebuild because we want to win the cup in five years as opposed to be mediocre forever, right? We don't want to be the Vancouver Canucks. Okay? We just want to, we just want to suck it up, rebuild, and get good later. And then before he got a chance to even, like, practically nothing. Practically

no products that were actually started. No projects that were started under Pat were actually seen through to fruition because he said it's going to take this long and then they ran out of patience because stock price I guess

and yes they were losing a lot of money but that was the plan the plan was that everything that the previous guys did sucked which we knew which was why they hired pat we knew that nothing good was in the pitch it i mean they needed to pitch it more silicon valley style maybe they need to show themselves as like a pre-revenue uh disruption technology

company yeah you're like ignore old intel this is new intel yeah currently pre-revenue seeking investment yeah we're going to suck really hard and just because you're you might have been a fan of the blue in the past you're going to come back to the store and buy until again. Dude, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm frustrated though. It's, um, and so yeah, it just, it feels like everything that LBT has done since he came in is just designed around giving up.

Whereas like, what I liked about Pat's vision was the vision was to fight. And I am, you know, it's so, it's so funny to watch the perception of me sort of shift around because people will be like, line, it's flip-flopping. Now he's cheering for AMD. Now he's cheering for Intel. I am always going to root for the underdog in any given market segment because what I'm always rooting for is healthy competition, which is better for the companies because it holds them accountable,

keeps a fire in their belly, and it's better for consumers because it means lower prices and better products. And so, yeah, am I rooting for Intel right now? Hard. And is it good for Intel when they're shedding thousands upon thousands upon thousands of jobs? I don't know. Maybe actually. Possibly. But when it seems like those jobs are being shed just without as far as I can tell a clear plan to return to the top, well, that's where I kind of lose it. What was one of the most recent developments? They're talking about like spinning off

the networking business. And I'm sitting here going, I'm like, okay, okay, like spin off can be a good thing. Like, I have personally advocated for Nvidia spinning off their G-Force business. I think it could make a ton of sense for the users of G-Force products. If Nvidia didn't have to have their margins dragged down by this business unit that, frankly, no one at the top really cares about anymore, you designate

people who are supposed to care about it, it has lower margin targets, and it can just go back to delighting gamers, which is what g-force used to fucking do right before they all stopped caring about it completely yeah um yeah so i've advocated for this before but on the intel side of things it's just like oh yeah well we're going to spin out this we're going to spin out that and it looks more like they're spinning out things as acquisition targets and less like they're spinning out business units so that they can overall perform more efficiently as a company i just yeah light master one i can't believe we're at the point

where Intel is the underdog that we need to that we need to root for because otherwise we're going to be left with one X86 processor company like I don't I'm not a lawyer I don't know all the details around it but from my understanding neither Intel nor

AMD has the right to assign their X86 license so if for whatever reason they are not leapfrogging each other you just have a frog it doesn't fucking leap and anymore. You just have

a frog. It just sits on the pedal. It just sits there. Yeah, and like if, you know, Intel seems to have some aspirations in the GPU space to go higher and higher. AMD doesn't seem to care about their GPU space that much right now because they just can't stop winning on CPU.

Actually, Dr. Sue did an interview. I think it was earlier this week where she basically said what everyone knows, which is that the issue for them on the GPU side is that they need to make more. So maybe she cares.

It did. It legitimately sounded like she cared. Like they need to manufacture more? Yeah. So they need to make more money. She was like, yeah, we're bottlenecked by how much we can make right now and we want to make more is pretty much what I took away from it.

Maybe Intel should spin off their foundries and AMD should buy them. No. I think the days of I think the days of vertical integration. If Intel can't make it work, I don't think it's happening, man. I just don't think it's happening. The problem is that we need a second foundry, and Samsung just doesn't seem to be able to do it, not at the cutting edge. Yeah.

Because it all just comes down to TSM being a monopoly and ASML being the monopoly that TSM is beholden to. Yeah. And I have some hope when it comes to Fab Tools. it sounds like Japan has kind of gone like it seems like they're kind of like awake seeing how much how much how much how much how much how much money ASML is contributing

to their national economy and you know what look if there's anyone who is going to kind of figure out the optics and figure out cutting edge manufacturing I'd say if I was going to bet on a horse Japan would certainly be one I'd be strongly considering there's a lot of expertise there but right now it's not happening

and I'm just I'm stressed dude because you see what AMD does when they get complacent we waited two years between thread rippers just now two years and the top end chip is five grand do you remember first and even

to a degree second and third gen thread riper they were like killer value I remember when the first Intel Extreme chip broke a thousand dollars and everyone freaked out dude amd was practically giving it away on the street corner back when first-gen thread riper came out and it's like now they're now they're all like you know you got to you got to take me out first buy me some fancy presents you know make me feel like your real girlfriend it's like bro this is a transaction i just want my i just

want my i just want my cpu you know i don't want to treat you nice Just give me my CPU course. I think a lot of that stuff happens in the city that I'm in right now. Sorry, you're going to elaborate or is that it? Your analogy of not wanting to take them out to dinner. Oh. I'm in Vegas. Oh, yeah, okay.

Sure. It seems like the guests to Vegas are really low. like there's a lot there's not very many just like people here well you always go during CES though so that might just be I've heard this is a thing though oh really there seems to be less people here than there was the last time I was here for DefCon and like it seems like there's probably the same amount or more DefCon attendees but like

the like random people within Vegas seems sure the population seems very low right now well it seems to be a very K-like economic recovery is the is kind of the term it seems like the higher income folks are feeling real great about how things are going i mean the stock markets what all time high gold is near all time high i haven't actually paid attention to bitcoin recently what's it at bitcoin to usd oh not all time high but it's it's basically near all time high like everything's near all time high so if you're investor class you're sitting you're sitting good you're sitting tight you're sitting easy As far as Marisani goes, there is a big reported drop in attendance to Vegas in general.

And you can feel just walking around that the people working to people here to vacation or whatever, the ratios are like off. It's weird. Like, you know how there's taxi lines outside of the hotels? Now there's just like a massive row of taxis. nobody there. When I went to get picked up from the airport, I was waiting for an Uber, and at least five or six, like, black cars came by asking if I needed a ride, and then they drove off to other people that were standing near the road. No one's ever offered me a ride in Vegas. No. Like, you got to, like, you have to, like, fight someone to get a car is more like.

And there is, there is a, yeah, there's just, there's a lot of people here working and not an incredible amount of people here attending, it seems. Oh, man, the chat is so, dude, the chat is too real right now. Avon Fox says, Vegas was a magnet for the poor with hopes. No one can afford to go there now, even for hope. Yikes. Honestly, I think Cren nailed it, though. Everyone's just sports betting now.

Yeah. Like, why go to Vegas to do that? Yeah. When you can do it from the toilet. And there was sports betting in Vegas before. Yeah, I mean, but you could play blackjack and slots online before, and Vegas was still popular. Yeah, that's true. And they have arenas here now.

Like, they have the Vegas Golden Knights. So you can come bet on sports in person. Yeah. But it might just be a generational shift. And, you know, like you're saying, K-shaped economy, the lower end doesn't have as much money to blow on gambling. I know people don't stop spending. In some cases, they spend more on entertainment when the economy's bad because everything sucks. They want to make themselves feel better.

So they spend money on entertainment. But traveling somewhere in order to blow all your money is maybe one of the first things, is maybe one of the first things for some people. to go when it comes to entertainment spending. Oh, which airline just did a bunch of layoffs? Hold on, who was it? No, I thought someone did.

Oh, no, maybe I was reading about the strike. Oh, yeah, Spirit. Spirit says that they're going to furlough 270 pilots. I don't know if Spirit's just doing bad, though. So, yeah, make of that, make of that what you will. Solid Deer says Southwest is having a hard time, apparently, though. yeah i don't know it's a funny thing because i keep i keep people seem to be generally afraid to use the r word recession what what what dan what you think i was going to say

my stocks i got to sell people people seem to be afraid to use the r word and you're yet everything that I can see is like unemployment's incredibly high layoffs are happening all over the place are we going to use the word using a lot of good jobs and gaining a bunch of junk jobs luxury brands are are downgrading their guidance um due to softening demand i man i got dude can i just as an aside okay so i i was also traveling this week i actually just got back this morning um i went to edmonton i it's a funny thing i never really did much travel within Canada, but this summer we were looking to go somewhere

and we were like, what the heck, why don't we road trip? And then the Smash Champs Grand Opening Tournament got exomidentally scheduled for the time when we would have been driving, so we flew there, but whatever. The point is that we decided to go to Edmonton. I'd never actually been to West Edmonton Mall. Did you know that it is the 29th largest mall in the world? No.

Yeah, it is. It's the 29th largest mall in the world. I feel like that number was a lot higher when I was there. Probably. I mean, it was built in like the 80s, and it definitely shows. But you know what? For a short trip, right? Like, we were only there for three days.

Yeah, living in the mall, kind of cool. We stayed in the Fantasyland Hotel or Fantasy Suites Hotel or something like that. Every floor has a different theme. So my kids were... That's cool. What was it, like, pirate theme or something like that? I forget. were like Treasure Cove theme or something and then Yvonne and I were like Tiki theme of some

sort. Anyway, the point is like they've got all these different kinds of themes and you walk out of your hotel. You don't even walk out of your hotel. You walk out from the elevator and you just like walk into the mall. And it's like, oh, well, I could go, I could go grab a Yogan fruze or I could go ice skating. They have a two level go cart track that. The water park is also like actually awesome. We spent an entire day at the water park. I have a great slow-mo video of Yvonne in the tube at the top of the, at the top of the cyclone, I think it's called. So the one that goes almost a vertical drop and then goes around a thing and then rips back down to the, yeah. So I have her like, as the bottom drops out under.

It's pretty funny. So, yeah, no, it was a blast. I forget where I was going with this. What on earth were we talking about again? I was in Edmonton. I was going somewhere with this. Dan just changed the thing to topic too. Hold on. Help me out here, guys.

Sorry, I'm not helpful. For you being in Edmonton. Is there? Yeah. Yeah, somewhere. Why was I in Edmonton? Oh. For some reason, Linus went to Edmonton question mark.

That's a topic. Oh, yeah. Vegas and traveling. Oh, yeah, yeah. People in chat called it. You were talking about luxury goods. Oh, yeah. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. So I was in, so I was basically living in a mall. And I don't get it. I don't get it. There's entire stores. You don't get the mall or what? Literally there was this store. I don't even remember the brand. Maybe Yvonne would remember the brand. But they literally had like a, you know, like a velvet rope across the entrance of the store. Like, like a, like a, like a, like a, you're probably too. poor to come in but if you're not I guess you can ask nicely and we can kind of look you up and

down and see if you're good enough to get you know what fuck off like I this whole this whole luxury goods thing I just I can't that's the whole point I can't stand it Luke I actually can't stand it I don't mind something expensive I do think that's a whole thing I'm literally going to try to sell you fancy stickers for your 70 US dollar screwdriver later later in this show I am going to sell those to you but it's because they have a cost they're the this is it it has a more satisfying wretched it's like that i can't tell the difference they don't have they don't have four thousand dollars worth of leather on that bag what it's made of the same it's made of the same stupid cow like what are we even talking about here i love the chinese manufacturing

companies going on social media and pointing out like by the way we make all these brand stuff now there has been some controversy some of that may not entirely be true some of this stuff is legitimately like made in italy however it is worth noting that just because something is made in italy doesn't necessarily mean that it is made under good conditions with like artisans making it and sometimes both things can be true for the same brand like their their halo product might actually be like artisan crafted by people who handed down the skill of sewing through generations or whatever right there may be a legitimate actual reason or there's like there's like a special cotton that grows in this like

one valley where the conditions are ideal or you know something and it's like extra special super awesome or something sometimes there is a legitimate sort of maybe not a real reason but a justification there's a there's a there's a there's a cost associated with the high price i guess that's what i'm trying to say there is a cost associated with making a really nice precision built tool um and backing it with the trust me bro warranty like that is something that has a cost if we had no warranty we could drop the price tomorrow because we wouldn't have to absorb warranty claims indefinitely um Like, there's just, there's cost of doing business stuff that everybody, ultimately the consumer has to pay for.

However, there are also products that you look at and you go, yeah, you, the designer who worked on this doesn't even get a credit on it, right? Like, it's just under the label. So you're not even, you're not even like buying the work of a designer that you really like or respect or connect with or whatever. because I can understand that as well. Like, we've had products, like we've had shirt designs, for instance, that Sarah has drawn on stream and that people appreciate the art of and will pay to support that. That has a value, that has a real value.

But we've got this nameless, faceless designer who just, like, works for a company. And it's clearly mass produced, which now that I know as much as I know from working with the fine folks at Creator Warehouse is pretty easy, for me to spot when something is just machine mass produced in a factory under conditions that I don't know what they are, but to produce that volume of it, I can pretty much promise you, it isn't, you know, two families that handed down the skills of how to thread this needle through there for several seven generations or whatever. It probably didn't happen. And I just, I just don't understand the prices of it. And it's one of those things that I, that I go out of my way to

to click on in my in my recommendation algorithms is I kind of pay attention to the luxury market just because I think it can be a bit of a bellwether for how things are going and um kind of depends on the key one of the things that even luxury consumers well that's see that's the thing though is these luxury brands have not experienced the growth that they have from ultra high net worth individuals the growth that they've experienced is from aspirational purchases they call them so that's people who earn a more modest income but can afford one they aspire to own like like one piece that they like baby you know so it's instead of a an xbox they buy uh exactly exactly uh or a pair of shoes or a purse or or or a pair of sunglasses you know whatever it is right

i didn't say purse just because some of the purses from those brands are like 40 grand you know 10, 20 Xboxes, maybe more than that. But the point is just that for them, that's what it is. That's their baby, right? And, and, you know, look, whatever. I'm personally, not my value system, but if you're into that, then you're into it. And apparently these aspirational buyers are just disappearing. Not showing up.

Right now. Yeah. Yeah. And they're feeling super butt hurt that since the, like, kind of the, kind of the COVID spike in the price of everything. There was this one article that I was reading where they were looking at like price tracking for like the same item from these luxury brands like pre-COVID to now. And some of them like doubled or tripled in price.

So they really took advantage of that surge in demand from people being pent up and spending more of their disposable income on consumption versus travel. you're eating out and now these people are just kind of feeling kind of peeved that what used to maybe be somewhat within reach

as an aspirational item is no longer within reach and they're questioning why I ever bothered to do this in the first place I think it's called a workin so there's a at Walmart

like through marketplace you can buy like Birken bag alikes that are a fraction of the price and apparently like pretty d's. It's called working? I think I think it's called a workin bag

W-I-R-K working bag hold on yeah yeah it's called a workin and this is like it's a whole thing like I just I find the whole space super super fascinating

I took a workin for a test drive and the results were surprising can you imagine being able to write this much about a handbag like sometimes we struggle to write this many words about like an entire computer that has

has parts in it that are manufactured to such a scale that people even 10 years ago couldn't possibly have fathomed it like on an atomic scale you can really say this much about a handbag which you know what I just have some learning to do

clearly um diplomatic way to say that I have learned learning to do. I could do better. Anyway, the point is that I went to a mall and I lived there for three days.

And I visited with my brother who moved there a couple years ago. Cost living is like markedly better. Shout out, Edmonton. If you don't mind living in Edmonton. Fun fact, did not know this. He's full of

little fun facts about Edmonton now that he lives there. It is apparently, I'm just going based on what my brother said. so make of this what you will. But it is apparently the northernmost, like, metropolis, like city with over 100, over 100, with over a million full-time residents, which I didn't know.

I didn't realize how north flipping Edmonton is. It's very north. Yeah. I just never really thought about it. Like, I obviously look at a map of Canada, but part of the problem with looking at Canada on a flat map, What's the system called where we like flatten it out and it skews it? Oh, yeah.

Sorry, what's it called, Dan? Of course Dan would know. Yeah, something like that. The mercantor projection. Anyway, the point is, looking at Canada on a map is really misleading unless you happen to like have a globe. And so I just never really like thought about it. Yeah, Edmonton's like really far north. Yeah, the mall is cool because you can stay indoors.

and do all those things. Like, that's one of the reasons why that mall was, like, worth building. Oh, dude, I got a weather advisory on my phone. And I was like, who cares? I'm in the mall. Like, that's, it's really, it's basically a shelter. It's fascinating the amount of ways

that you can kind of, like, get there because it's connected to things. Yeah. Like you said, there's the hotel that's connected to it. There's ways you can get there without going outside. They have to have numbered entrances. We were at entrance 52,

which gives you some idea how big the mall is that it needs 52 numbered entrances. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's really, it's a bastion against the, like, the cold storm. That's really, yeah. That actually makes a ton of sense. Yeah. Like, there's, there's, uh, some, I think it was already in chat said that he thinks that at one point time it was number one. You said it was number like 20 something. When I was there, I think it was low double digits or high single digits for how big. of a mall it was. And you think about the population of Edmonton versus where these bigger malls are and it like is still quite a standout. Oh yeah. Mall size per capita. It's got to still be number one.

It's got to be up there, dude. It's got to be up there. And there's a reason for it. And the reason is because it's in the, you know, northernmost metropolis, like you said. Yeah. It's actually really cool. And dude, it was hopping. Like, Artie says it was the biggest until 2004. Really? And I'm not surprised it was hopping. Surge and Giant Mall since then? I actually did not know that. When we were there, it even had a shooting range inside it. Really?

I mean, that doesn't... I don't know if that's still there. That doesn't surprise me one bit. Definitely a lot of... Definitely a lot of gun culture. Yeah. Yeah, my brother just moved into a new place. And furniture...

Furniture was still there. Furniture was a little... little on the on the on the deprioritized side so we we all kind of piled onto the couch Yvonne and I were there and we had all the kids and we had lunch at his place um

is it very bachelor paddy but he did he did show me his many guns yeah yeah yeah he uh he went out and uh and don't have furniture sorry sorry what guns have furniture what was that guns don't sit people people sit people or something Yeah, no, he picked up

I forget what it's called I'm, as you know, I'm not much of a gun nerd But he, right when they were When they were shutting down the handguns, yeah So he basically just went and bought the first handgun he could find Did absolutely no research on it whatsoever Because he had like two days when he realized that the deadline was coming up So he was like, I just like want a handgun and like went and got this thing and he showed it to me.

I got to say, I'm not much of a gun nerd, but it was like a, like a Czech law enforcement pistol. Super nice. Absolutely like. A shadow? Zer. Is it a CZ shadow? I wouldn't know. So he said shadow.

Anyway, it's apparently completely steel. It's super heavy. even without a loaded magazine in it it was like super heavy and dude the slide was some of the most beautiful precision machining I think I've ever seen it's like gotta be a shadow

anyway anyway it's a fine what I like I said not a gun nerd but definitely a machining nerd and it is a beautifully beautifully machined little piece so I congratulated him on his

firearm as I think you're supposed to do and then we uh when we walked to the park and hung out it was good do you remember if the slide had um holes on the side of it or just angled slashes dude i thought i'd ask yeah it's like i bet you it's the shadow a bunch of people in shadow saying a 75 it's one of those things shadows are really it's it's like it's like asking me if that hot dude at the pool had a six pack or an eight pack it's like I'm not gay

like I don't like it's totally fine for other people to be into it I'm just myron bro I'm just myron I just can't tell I'm just myron I don't know

what the characteristics I'm supposed to be looking for are to know if it was sexually appealing that's all it's actually a really good that's actually a really good analogy yeah yeah

yeah it's pretty good couldn't tell you anything about it other than the machining very fine because that I know that I get

um Miori says you don't have to be gay to observe no but you would have to No but he recognized that it was an attractive person

he just didn't log all of the individual little details because the analogy is great I don't know what the important details are because I'm not, I'm genuinely I would actually have to have someone like explain it to me. It's not something that

I like can tell. You know like I can. And to be clear, the question that I asked isn't even an important detail. I just I looked on their website and it was a differentiating factors so I thought I'd ask. But but I think the analogy was fantastic honestly. It completely makes sense.

Okay. Okay, should we do a second topic? I can't believe how, oh man, I was looking at how few topics we had today, and I was like, man, it's going to be a really short show. We've been live for almost an hour, including pre-show. And we've only done the first topic? We've done one topic, I think. Now, we technically did Linus goes to Edmonton.

So we did two topics. Okay, yeah, cool. Water park, strongly recommend. The water slides were great. I think that was the second most fun I've ever had on a water slide. on that cyclone one. Super awesome. Like the almost free fall drop is intense.

And they call it the typhoon, but I'm sure it has other names. They're one where you go down a slide and then you go into like a toilet bowl until you like fall down into a deep pool at the bottom. You've been one like that before. They have one at Coltis. Yep. I've been in that one.

The one at Cultus? Yeah. Well, the one at Coltis blows. And the one at West Edmonton Mall. So the one at West Edmonton Mall, they went in there with some kind of compound in the seams for all the cracks. So, like, I was only able to do two loops around the one at Coltis. I went this summer. So I am the same me as when I just went to the mall just now.

And I was only able to do two loops around because it was just too painful on my elbows and my heels and my shoulder blades to, like, to get that low friction. at the one at West Endympton Mall I could do three and a half which was freaking awesome I got so much speed because they went in with some kind of like compound and they filled in all the little seams so you could like I was able to like grab the bar

and like really ripped down there and it didn't hurt it all dude it was freaking awesome freaking awesome that's cool should we talk about AI stuff I mean I guess I mean I could just talk about the water park more if you want but sure yeah I mean you can you can sure let's talk about what's going to take

all of our jobs and ruin the world and nope but hey at least we have at least we have bunnies on trampolines is that in the is that in the no that was like last week two weeks ago okay sure the sources for this is everything Google deep mind open AI mashable Anthropic 11 labs three different tech crunch articles multiple Twitter threads, et cetera. It's been a massive week for AI announcements. Google DeepMind announced Genie 3, a world model that can turn a text prompt into a fully interactive 3D environment you can explore in real time. Compared to Genie 2, it's more consistent, more realistic, and interactive for minutes at a time instead of realistically seconds. You can also even revisit

locations and see them persist, which was a major problem in the past. Think SORA, but for navigatable worlds, not just video. And then Linus, do you want to bring up the example of a drone shot generated by V-O-3? Sure, I'll do that. We're just looking at Genie 2 versus Genie 3 right now. Okay. So definitely improvements to world persistence. I'd really like to see him turn around, though.

Yeah, turn around. Yeah, he's really avoiding a lot of turning to previous locations. You can kind of tell in how they're moving. Turn around. I want to see. Wow You gotta get really close to the mic when you say that Sorry, sorry

Anyway, okay, so sorry That was Genie 2, Genie 3 I mean, I guess you could kind of run it longer Okay, so here's a drone thought A drone shot generated by V-O-3 Being taken over and controlled In real time, or by V-O-3 There's probably a drone thought somewhere

Dron thought, geez Okay So here Here's the generated video. Okay. And we're going to take control mid-flight and then we'll be able to move it around. I guess that's in, oh yeah, no, here we go.

Yep. So we're controlling it now. Okay. I guess, so, yeah, I guess the big difference is in real time we're able to generate this landscape as we go. flipping wild how for short clips anyway how kind of actually pretty convincing it is yeah at least at x resolution what else we got uh a deep mind researcher posted a video of people playing around with genie three to which someone asked if that video was created using

genie three to which the researcher then actually did it so here okay so here this is this is pretty funny oh am i not oh i signed in at some point So anyway, this is the original video Was them just like playing around with Genie 3 on lunch And then they use Genie 3 To Here you go To take control of that video

And then walk out the window And some stuff happens Basically And you can tell that's not Yeah, yeah You can 100% tell It's still really interesting Open AI announced their first open weight model

since GPT2, GPT OSS 120 billion, and GPT OSS 20 billion are free to download. OSS is an open source software. They're Apache licensed and can run on a single GPU or even a laptop despite being open. They're trained with many of the same techniques as OpenEI's proprietary reasoning models, and they're performing surprisingly close

to the O series in benchmarks. OpenAI launched GPT5, its first unified model, combining a O series reasoning with GPT series speed plus a router that chooses between quick or thinking responses. Benchmarks show small gains in coding science and reduced hallucinations, but a buggy rollout made it seem dumber on day one. Sparking calls to bring back GPD4.

Oh, I didn't even know about that. I'm going to talk about my experience. I think they need bigger gains. I think they need bigger gains in coding based on my experience. By the way, I don't know if you saw this on the subreddit, but there was a Reddit post. post that went kind of viral where somebody ran into the exact same thing that I did with chat GPT claiming that it would work on something in the background and then come back and uh was that with five though no I don't think so I'm just just making me think of that but

yeah chat GPT do be a liar sometimes uh yeah but I have things to should I talk about that now or should we go into the other ones you talk about whatever you want Luke you talk about a little space here you can talk whatever you want you can talk whatever you want GBT5 last night And I ran it against a test that I've been doing for a while Where you now? Which is where I take the My goodness

I take the Wall Street Journal Is that it? Yeah, the Wall Street Journal game called Letterboxed And I give it the rules I did this with John with John from the lab, John Doyron. I did it with ChattipT4, I think it was, with him. and I was trying to get it to actually work, and it never did.

And I've tried this with a few other models, not all of them, but a few other models. And usually it can't actually play the game. The game is basically there's four sides to a square. There's three letters on each side, and you need to use up all of the letters making various words by doing as few words as you possibly can. And the problem is you can't go to the same side again. You have to go from different side to different side. and it would sometimes make up letters that weren't there it would most often it would go back to the same side too many times

it would like break the rules and it couldn't actually play the game I got the standard GBT5 to be able to beat it it recognized it attempted to do it and it cheated it went to the same side too many times so I called it out and it accepted that and then it tried again and failed and gave me an output saying I failed to do this this is why it was hard for me to do

and then it was like do you want me to keep trying and I was like yeah keep trying and it tried again and it failed again explained why it was hard and explained what it would need to do and it was like basically I'm going to have to write a program to do this

because my model has an issue with like location persistence and all this other kind of stuff so like I am too limited but I can write code to solve this for you if you want. So I said, sure. And it output a Python script that just one shot it. Really? So that was very interesting. And then I was sitting with Theo and he was like, oh, try the reasoning model. See what happens there. So I switched from the standard model to the reasoning model and it took a long time, but it just right off the hop, one shot it. And it actually

it solved it in five words and the challenge was do it in five words or less it solved it in five words but as I was inputting them to make sure that it worked I realized that it actually finished on the fourth word so it found a fifth extra word and then it was like I can probably do better if you want me to try I called it out and was like you didn't need the fifth word and it was like yeah and then in response it was like I think I can do fewer words if you want

And I was like, yeah, go for it. And it sat for a while, and then it did it in three. So that was actually pretty crazy to me. That was pretty nuts. But isn't that the AGI thing being able to improve itself? No, I completely disagree. No, not even a little. The big difference that Theo and I were talking about,

he was proposing that the big difference is that it was a change in a lot. which might actually make it hallucinate less, which is interesting. It changed in alignment. You're going to have to define. So basically in the past, there was a lot of rules that tried to make it stop, to try to stop it from doing certain things, right? And you could work around those rules, but a lot of times it would just kind of like make stuff up to get around. You would ask it something, you would ask it to go from point A to point B. and it would like go to many other points in between

and try to solve a bunch of problems that you haven't actually really asked for yet. Like it was like over-eager almost and it would try to work around what you asked it to do and add a bunch of stuff and it kind of went out of scope very often. It would tangent really hard

to go out of scope really often. I'm sure you experienced this doing your coding thing. Yep. And now it's a bit more strict. It seems to stick closer to what you asked for and when it can't do it, the change here, the reason why that person is asking, is it an AGI thing,

the change here is that it's quicker to propose alternatives instead of trying to work around automatically. Or pretending. So there's proposed alternative or pretending or whatever. So like before I couldn't get it to do it because it would just keep breaking the rules. When I would point out that it broke the rule, it would just be like,

ah, you're right. And then it would break the rule again. Yeah. And now instead of just like hammering its face into the wall, it will go okay yeah i broke the rules here you caught me on it and then i broke the rules again caught myself on it we need another solution i don't seem to be able to do this here's another way that i could approach it right writing a program to do it for you um and then it did it uh by the way here's interesting and probably more useful here's the uh the sort of viral post i found it um this is on

r slash chat gpt caught chat gpt lying had a very strange interaction over the course 24 hours. In short, it strung me along the entire time, all while lying about its capabilities and what it was doing. It was to help me write code and generate some assets for a project. Told me it would take 24 hours to complete. 24 hours later, I asked for an update. It said it was done and would generate a download link. No download link worked. After 10 attempts of faulty download links, it admitted it never had the capabilities in the first place to create a download link. Furthermore, I asked what had been working on this entire time. Turns out nothing. And lastly, after some back and forth, it admitted to lying. I asked why, and it essentially said

it was to keep me happy. This is a huge problem. So hopefully, as far as my understanding goes, it should do less of that. So hopefully they have fixed this. Yeah, because there's been alignment changes. So it should help with less of that, which comes across as a hallucination problem because it is, but it's a hallucination problem because they're like incentivizing it to make you happy. Yeah. Whereas I don't want to be happy. I want, I want the truth. I want the real answer. So hopefully it'll be better. It is still hallucinating things.

I ran it through some stuff just to try to see if it would screw up, and it still absolutely does. The hallucination problem is not solved. But in my kind of like my version of T-Leaf reading, it does seem a little bit better at the hallucination stuff, and it seems like probably because of the alignment changes. Interesting. Yeah.

Yeah, it's an interesting time. This is, I'm surprised that the notes in the dock seem pretty tepid on it, likely because of the buggy rollout that they mentioned, because most people that I've talked to about it are very impressed, not necessarily because like, oh my God, it's so capable, but because it messes around less. And they're able to get the thing that they actually want out of it, without it lying to them quite as much. I've been talking about this on Wancho for a long time I really think the biggest problem with all these systems is the hallucinations and even a marginal improvement there which is like this absolutely did not solve the problem but it feels like a marginal improvement

and even a marginal improvement there is a pretty big deal like there's it's pretty common in conversations for the people to for people to bring up like oh yeah there's a model that's better it's like it tests better it is it is really realistically a better model, but it hallucinates like crazy and is like difficult to interact with. So I don't like using it. And this seems like a good step in the, it's more functional to interact with realm, in my opinion. Hey, hold on a second. Dan just, just put a merch message

just through the bottom here where apparently someone gave you a dual sense controller at LTX and asked if you've reached a conclusion about it. How did you not have a controller all those times when we were playing tape to tape if someone gave you a dual sense? I don't think I have a dual sense controller. Is it possible I'm completely missing something here? I vaguely remember this but I don't think I have it

Do you not have it? It's probably at work. It's probably at work. Oh, okay. Well, Cameron wants to know if you like it or hate it. So you should probably take it home and let Cameron know. No, I think the answer would have probably been that I did not like it. All right, then. Because I probably just like tried it and was like, yep, confirmed. I really do not like when the thumbsticks are both down here

and then probably just brought it to work. That's funny because I actually, in spite of that, I quite like the dual sense. I still use an Xbox controller, but I do like the dual sense. The offset analog sticks, whatever those are called, is just I can't,

nothing else does it for me. I don't actually technically use an Xbox controller at home, but I use a controller that is like very much modeled after an Xbox controller and it just it's great I can't I'm remembering more of this now I did try it

it just I didn't try it much for that long I tried it with I think it was fours of five horizons and then it was just like and it tried it for like I think a couple days and then yeah I suspect it's at work now because I don't have it at home

anymore. But I didn't sell it. Dan, you got to actually read people's messages. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. Hey, Luke, if you come to a conclusion on a dual sense controller yet, I gave you one at LTX land. I just want to know if you like it or hate it. I missed that middle. Wait for the PS6. Wait, what? I miss read the comment. I'm so sorry. Okay. Apologies. He ran it through chat GPT and he forgot to use five. You're only worth four mini. I'll work on this in the background and I'll get back to you in 24 hours. I got better things to do. Sorry about that.

Yeah, I do remember this now. And I'm fairly certain it was Force Horizon 5 that I used it with. And I did try to give it a real shot. But honestly, the conclusion was gotten to rather quickly. I just, I really don't. This position for my hands is not cool. I get it. I don't like it.

How hard do you think it would be? Like if, okay, on a week like this week, I think Dan can probably reply to everyone directly but on weeks when we have like a major launch how hard would it be to train train up a model on like every past wandshow transcript i actually tried to do that did you yeah how'd that go uh not great because you have to design call and response for every single merch message but you also need a way to indicate if it's shown curated or archived and it's very difficult to do that organically. No, but I would imagine that would be the human intervention at that point.

Yes and no. I mean, we want it to respond. Is there another button? I don't think we should do this, but I think the thing to do could be having a button that is AI response. The problem is that most of the response is, I mean, yeah, sure, maybe. No, it would have to be, no, it would have to be the AI response goes to a human, and then a human decides if the AI got it right.

Yeah, like it could show up. But then there's probably more work than for someone... At that time, you're reading it and evaluating and what's the point? It's probably, for someone who types as quickly as any one of the three of us, it's probably less work to just type the response at that point. I feel like, I feel like, yeah, AI is in, it has this, like this sweet spot where your brain moves faster than your fingers. And then if your fingers move as fast as your brain,

then it just kind of, it doesn't really do as much for me. Hey, speaking of mice and keyboards being obsolete, should we move on to discussing how mice and keyboards are going away? Or did you want to finish up the AI news for the week? I guess there's still more there. But yeah, I think to me, personally, five is much more interesting than four ever was. And I know people are talking about how four.

Would you say it's 25% more interesting? than four ever was? Yeah, maybe. But I don't think that four was 33% more interesting than three. Okay, so the math falls apart a little bit. But hey, that's what we expect from an AI. Yeah, yeah, perfect. Because four seemed like an improved but kind of samey thing, in my opinion.

five is yeah a little bit more shippable i think anthropic announced cloud opus 4.1 focused on coding research and agentic reasoning benchmarks show noticeable improvements in multifile refactoring and pinpoint debugging without adding new bugs and 11 labs launched 11 music an AI used to generate studio grade music in any style with or without vocals in multiple languages nearly all commercial uses are cleared oh good you can listen to some examples here would you like to listen to an example luke yeah i'll bring it up myself too okay so i'm gonna really question the studio quality uh listening to the examples doesn't make me question it any less um dan am i am i cleared

for for audio off i can't hear myself cool well i've listened to it already so My heart a weary one, Renaud, Through shadows deep and twilight cold, I bear my longing silent o'er. Yeah. So, technically, you could make that in a studio, but you wouldn't. Yeah, I think that's the problem. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a neat. Now, hear me out. Hear me out. How about Yellow Bus Jam? Okay. We're going for some Beatles or what? Hop on board, feel the tea is raw. Not gruevier. I-X-F-N-724 and float-plane chess. Okay, this sucks. Yeah, you guys hadn't heard suck yet.

The voice is impressive because a lot of AI voices have that problem where they have the, like, they're hyper-monitone about anything because the second they show any inflection or emotion, it could be unaligned. And that's a bigger giveaway than them just being hyper-monitone. so it's interesting that they actually have some like emotion in the singing that is seemingly pretty good 12923 says a soul song with no soul yeah yeah exactly pretty much really was notably lacking hold on who was it uh i'm sitting here with a guitar and can't find the beat still hold on who was this uh can't can't find it i mean okay so this is fair though this is fair travao says there are plenty of real songs that are way worse, though. Oh, it was Gilmour D

who said the, uh, the beats very weird. Can't find the, can't find the feel. Um, yeah, yeah, it's the kind of thing that I wouldn't notice if I wasn't actively listening, if that makes sense. Like if I was in a restaurant and this was on in the background,

I wouldn't, I wouldn't notice it. I would, I wouldn't be like, how dare they like it wouldn't be like that wedding i went to where they played flowers from myly cyrus and i was like wow wildly inappropriate um for like the second song of the dance like it was a human DJ literally i wish they were replaced by an AI at that point because you can't do that that's just so inappropriate so it wasn't like that um

Yeah, Bug Boy says that's an insane choice for a wedding. Right? Anyway, um, so it wouldn't drag me out of the event, but it also, I wouldn't be like, I need to get my sound hound out. Shazam that. Like, I just wouldn't notice it. Yeah. Um, do you need username asked why?

What's wrong with that song? And Moon MMO says Because it's about loving yourself Because partners suck Absolutely unhinged choice for a wedding Yachter says mother-in-law requested it Yeah, that's pretty good That's pretty good

Does this not require a public broadcast license To play in a store or like question mark? Probably not. The thing is that I'm sitting with is there is already tons of royalty-free music. Yeah, like real music by real people. I'm pretty sure crab rave is like literally one of those? Ah, no, I think there's usage requirements. Like, you have to credit them and stuff.

I believe we have some agreements, right? Yeah, we also do have an agreement with Monster Cat where we just, like, can use all of their stuff as long as we just credit it. There are Vancouver Bros. so I don't don't don't I'm I'm actually not sure though now he's looking at oh no it is copyrighted yeah it's not royalty free okay yeah so yeah I thought it was that we can use it um yes yeah yeah yeah interesting because I noticed like a ton of people do so I thought I thought I knew it was originally copyrighted and we just had an approval but then I've noticed that it's like universally used now um but I guess either just people have agreement or it's fly-by-night. I could see either one, to be honest. Okay, the last bit here is Elon Musk says that Twitter will put ads in Grok's chatbot answers,

meaning that advertisers could pay to have their product be the ideal solution that Grox suggests. Talk about saying the quiet part out. out loud, Musk says... Yeah, we all knew it was going that direction. Musk says this will help pay for those expensive GPUs, that's a quote, while using

XAI tech to improve ad targeting. It's like, dude, are you not going to... Are you not going to buy me dinner first? Like, just, boom, straight to more procreation, not enough children.

Ben right over, because this is how I intend to use my giant GPU farm powered by natural gas turbines that I didn't get a permit for. Wait, really? I'm just going to straight up. I'm going to straight up. Yep, I'm going to have people pay to be the best answer.

I mean, it worked great for Google with their top-sponsored search results, right? Let's just do that. But AI, are you serious right now? You don't even have the top AI chatbot, and you're already trying to be the first one to completely in-shadify. I mean, we obviously knew. Like, Amazon was up front about the only reason Alexa existing being so that she could get to know you and understand what you want to buy so you could buy it off Amazon using Alexa. Like that was the only reason Alexa ever existed in the first place.

Like Amazon was pretty straightforward about that and it didn't take off because people immediately would use whatever didn't shove product down their throat because they're not actually really very interested in that. The only reason anybody cares about ChatGPT is because they think it's giving them the right answers, even though it's trained on a poisoned web that is just full of completely corrupted clickbait articles and all that. So it's definitely got its own problems. But it isn't just brazenly recommending whoever paid me the most. I mean, if you wanted to do that, you could just watch tech YouTubers. New ideas on how to poison AI as well. That's how you can tell he's not listening to me.

There's ones to, there's ones where you can trap. Self-own. You can trap it. How is it his cell phone? What, me? Oh. I self-owned myself.

Got it. All right. Fair enough. I, I am, I implied that I am bought and paid for. I like, I like playing into the conspiracy theories as if they can afford me. Envidia can.

I mean, they can, but they won't. Cheap f***s. I do think it's interesting because, like, you have a video coming on vibe coding. And like, I defended the, okay, you didn't use a coding specific. Yeah. tool because I do think the vast majority of people, including, you know, people that I know and I know this has happened, just dive right into using chat TPD. They don't even know what the other ones are. So I think it is very realistic for a new to these type of systems people,

person, sorry, to use just chat TPT instead of something else. It's the most well-known thing. But do you think releasing that video after five is out and not having used five, is good. Yeah, I think it's fine. Because we can acknowledge that. I haven't shot any of the A-roll of it. I've only shot the coding challenge. And we still haven't had the real developer, to my knowledge,

try to beat me. So, like, we still have, like, it's going to be, I think it's going to be very clear to people from the way we set up the video and present it, that this is a challenge that took place a while ago, and it was with the tools that exist. And literally, in my screen cap, I drop down, you can see what models are available to me in the OpenAI interface and stuff. So it's not like people are going to be like, why didn't you click on that one?

Like I clicked on the one that was supposedly better for programming. So like, whatever, I don't know. Like I did what I think a normal user would do. Yeah. And we have all that, we have all that documented. Yeah, I defend that for sure. Yep. It's all documented.

Cool. So I'm really not that worried about it. And the point is not necessarily like the moment in time. time the point is asking like a bigger question and I think that regardless of what model we use we are going to run into bigger answers like okay now what about the maintenance of that code like that's a huge question because I have a working you know JavaScript but I still don't know JavaScript I haven't actually solved the problem which is that I don't know how to code or script or anything like modern modern two tools will tell you where the error is and generally some information about the error and then you can feed that error and that information you might have done this in your challenge

back to the LLM, the LLM can try to fix things for you and whatnot but it does definitely become a problem Yeah We are supposed to explain merch messages We should do that So if you want to chat with the show A great way to do it is to

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You can see they really do go for an awfully long time. it is worth noting that the balance will not be perfect. I just want to make that really clear, because while we do put our hole down the center of the CPU, depending on the size of the dye and the position of the die, or any I.O. chips or whatever is under that IHS, even the pins on the back, not being completely symmetrical, can throw the balance off a little bit.

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so Sebastian says that we tested them, the balance on them was terrible. I will also say, however, that Sebastian... Oh, he was talking about Intel. He was talking about Intel. They were much worse. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah, because they're... Sebastian Taina gave me one to play with at OpenSauce,

and while the balance isn't perfect, the thickness of your finger is a decently large surface, and I was able to very consistently get it spinning on one finger, like without pinch. Yeah, there you goes. Yeah, yeah, it's not that bad. The Intel ones were really bad because of the position of the dye and the notches in the substrate and just a variety of reasons.

The balance isn't like that bad. No. Like you can tell, it's not the easiest thing to get. spinning on one finger compared to something that is perfectly balanced but like it's it's fine it's spinning which helps it uh your finger's also not a pinpoint so and that's what makes it real man that's what makes it real it's a real CPU um we also made it super easy to disassemble if you want if your bearing gets mucked up or if you just want to put in your own bearing all you got to do is uh here hold on i guess we go linus cam but was i supposed to show this dan i have no idea i think so

I think already wanted me to show it. So you just unscrew the thumb Maboober here. Okay. Okay. Let's do a little something like that. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. We wanted to do a thing, but couldn't it this week.

Yeah. Okay. So you take that off, and then... There's two screws on top. And then there's... Oh, okay. Do you have your precision kit? Yeah, I have a precision kit.

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Or he'll forward it to someone who can answer your question, or he will curate it for me, Luke, and Dan to respond to, and he'll show you what, that curation looks like. Okay, hold on. First, though, let's finish this. Okay, so there you can see the precision manufactured aluminum frame Maboober that we have. And then there, there's our bearing. Look at me, I'm bearing eye. Wow. I did say earlier, I'm not gay, so I'm now the bearing straight. Oh. Anyway, you can also see

you can also see how we made the CPU work as a fidget spinner it no longer works as a CPU once we're done with it

so that's that's something that happens um anywho Dan where did we leave off again I was going to read you a merch message

you were going to read me a merch message right right right right right right to show how the curation works that's right yes let's do that while I reassemble this fidget spinner.

Okay. That dancing, that's right there. Really, really, really sounded like a parrot helping a small child through something. I'm not a child. Don't lose the screws, Linus. I'm not going to. And you're not even my real dad. He's just cranky.

He doesn't that his juice. He's so cute. He's so good. He does usually need a little snacky before the show. Do you want some tackies? Last thing you need is me on a juice sugar high. That'd be fun. You spin me right round.dl.

Linus, why did you go with orange for LTT? And would you ever switch it to blue? Excited to see y'all at Whale Land. The very, very legitimate, real actual reason is that my screwdriver that was gifted to me when I was in high school, my snap-on ratcheting screwdriver that sort of opened my eye. eyes to the delights of quality tools was orange. And that using that orange screwdriver that became kind of iconic in the early days of NCIX Tech Tips was something that kind of tickled the cameraman.

Well, he put it in the logo because he thought it was funny that I had like a hundred Canadian dollar screwdriver, which to him was ridiculous. And I mean, I guess still is, but hey, half a half a half a, a million of you can't be that wrong with me right um and so he integrated that that orange into the branding of nc ix tech tips with the the picture of the screwdriver since it's such an important tool for for working on PCs and the rest is kind of history uh fun fact by the way it's not actually orange um the LTT color looks orange against most of the backdrops where it appears,

but it's, like, actually kind of red. Or rather, no, wait, no, it is orange, but then we had to make it red to look orange in the banner on the forum. Is that right, Luke? I'm trying to remember. I'm pretty sure is orange. And the Wansho's definitely not orange.

That one's red. Wancho's red. Yeah. The original LTT orange, like the screwdriver that you had is actually orange. Oh no, that's orange. The problem is, yeah. The problem is when you place that color of orange

against other things, it starts to, like, shift. really oddly. So a lot of the places where you see LTT orange, it's not actually LTT orange. It's an orange that is hued so that it looks correct instead of being actually correct, which is weird. I don't know if that's still a thing on the forum, but like very early forum days that was a problem we ran into because everyone was saying that it was incorrect when it actually was correct. It's just with the other colors that were there, it looked really wrong. So then we made it incorrect and everyone was like oh good you fixed it and it's like well

colors are a hell of a drug sort of by the way dan you're not allowed to tell the viewers to calm their tits i said thine what is happening today settle they're jimmies dan's fighting with bryce in the float plane chat price is a good person uh Bryce was asking when the float plane exclusive with extras for Scrapyard Wars 10 part one is coming out it will come out during this show i will be launching episode one as well as the extras or sorry part one as well as the extras for part one it's going to be great it's coming soon it's coming very soon um what else am i supposed to be doing right now dan uh doing that announcement oh yes right which one that one or the other one no i'm supposed to be doing the CW announcements.

Yeah, which you just did. Okay, well, I did one of them. I haven't done the other one. So get a grip, Luke. On this screwdriver. I'm excited about this. Do you see this? Do you see this?

I in particular need this. We've got grip. Specifically, screwdriver grip tape. It's designed to get. Give your favorite tool a significant amount of extra grip when you're working under the hood of your car or working on your screwdriver with gloves. And we might have called up our friends at Dbrand

for a little help from some old friends. Don, dun, dun, dun, don't, da, don't, da, sorry. Yeah, we didn't want to talk to them about, well, we didn't want to talk to them at all, really. But unfortunately, they are annoyingly good at this sort of thing, and it's available now at lmg.g.g.g. grip tape. So here and we'll bring that up. Screwdriver grip tape. That's right. Ten bucks. And you get

this. You get an extra one as well as the three that you actually need. And we're using it completely wrong in the picture. But don't worry about that because the point is so that you can see it. Oh, yeah. These are for stubbies, by the way. So you know. Oh. Yeah. We have, so we have grip tape dutes for full size drivers as well for stubbies. It works shockingly well. Sweaty palms and slippery hands. No more. This precision cut grip tape is designed to add

just the right amount of grip to your favorite screwdriver. Brought you in partnership with D-brand. No more slipping, whether your ring gloves or whatever. The grip tape helps you maintain control over your driver. Each pack includes a set of grip tape for both sizes of screwdriver, one for the standard LTT screwdriver and one for the stubby screwdriver. It's a great little add-on.

If you're looking for a gift for the LTT screwdriver enjoyer in your life then especially if they use if they use gloves or if they're like a super sweaty type person it is very grippy so if you are never going to be sweaty and you don't really need to

torque anything down I would say it's not necessary but if you've ever found yourself slipping this will do it when is the bit storage case coming out soon I think people saw a not sure

people saw something i'll say that they saw something yeah what there was a there was a part of a video where something was on a desk oh by the way just let's take a moment to enjoy the team's great photography here shirad with his new pride and joy here with his screwdriver i love how every shot we have with the screwdriver has us not touching the grip tape i get it. I understand why we did it this way. When he's working on the bike, is he touching it? Let's see. Here's ploof. Here's ploof with his

purple car. Once again, not touching the grip tape. Dang it, people. I understand. I understand why we did it that way. It just triggers me. You should definitely be touching the grip. Willing Spy asks, How strong is the adhesive? The answer is yes.

I'll be real with you guys. There's also an extra one there. I'll be real with you guys. This is, I think, the first product that I've ever been the one to source because I was looking for something that would actually not come off the edges of the steps on my backyard like pavers. So I needed grippy strips at the ends and I bought like crappy ones on Amazon. I bought like a bunch of stuff. and it all sucked. And finally, I found something that, like, would not fucking come off. And then we turned it into this product.

So we sourced the same stuff that I used on my stairs. And now it's for our screwdriver. That makes sense. Yeah, so this was the first time I have ever, like, directly been in charge of the sourcing. And then we worked with Dbrand to get them cut up into stickers because we don't, like, have a process for that. We're not a sticker manufacturer. What the fuck do we know about any of that? So that's...

You sell stickers. Okay, that's true, but different. And I don't really... We don't really sell them. They're more like free with your order and the bonus bin. People do buy them, though. There's a new pack. People do buy them.

Oh, is the new bonus bin pack up? I think people have been mentioning it. They're very excited. Hold on. Hold on. I might be lying. Where do I find them? I might be lying

Maybe I was lied to You would Is set three the latest Yeah I think this is it Holy shit Oh Sticker packs are back Boys

And this is an absolutely Firepack Oh there are some Golden ones in here Got the tacks right off Gone fishing Tech Yacht Oh I love the tech yacht

The Flooplin Game Boy is sick yeah buddy yeah buddy I'm trying to remember if that one has any like foil on it I don't think so actually wait does it does it have some shine oh I can't remember I can't remember I can't remember and I can't tell but yeah this is an absolutely bomb sticker pack freaking love it wait is the transparent screwdriver in it yes it is yep yeah yeah there it is sick yeah absolutely great job um Oh, hey, speaking of tech yacht, I have a major update on tech plane. The price of this compelling aircraft has been reduced.

USD 3.5 million. I got to say, you guys, this is looking like a pretty strong candidate here. User MR. underscore Jesse over on the subreddit picked up on this. Dude, check this out. three and a half million this is an airbus a 320 i think it is what are we looking at here look at this main bedroom uh got what appears to be like uh some private meeting rooms here um got like uh got a lounge area here where you can have what appears to be like 15 20 some odd people um got some i don't know fine looking fine looking cockpit up in the front where

you have all the knobs and dials earlier where like you're not going to remember if it's going to have an eight pack or not uh no no i i think i can recognize a sexy plane i think i think i can i think i can appreciate the fine curves of a plane shaped airplane um so Are you into the three jets or the two jets? Which plane type are you into? One behind, one on each side. Two on each side? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Two, three, or four? This is a good question. I got to say, I got to say the runway presence of a falcon, the trijet. I don't mind it. I don't mind it. I don't mind it. A three-way. Three-way jet and then one behind.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Two on the sides and like one kind of in the middle. I also don't mind being the one in the middle if you know what I'm saying. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. You know, riding middle. Who needs an aisle in the middle with the rows of the seats when you can have the middle?

You know what I'm saying? Know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Bougar fingers says Linus announcing he's gay again. Anywho So for those of you on the subreddit wondering if this is real I was genuinely pretty curious about this

I was like okay what could possibly be wrong with this thing to make it three and a half million dollars I think what happened is they missed as zero I found a listing for another plane that had 4,4005.5 out hours since new and 2930 landings so here let's just key that in 44.5.5 hours since new jet for sale because that that seems you know our slash oddly specific and it appears to be this one it's a it's a hawker 4,000 which is not that airbus looks like oh man where is oh where is it oh where is it

this is stupid what AI why are you so stupid like why do I have to why do I have to do this why do I have to put in the site see here's the one there three and a half mill and uh 4,40 hours since new 29 30 landings so there so it looks like this Facebook post just had completely the wrong plane I got to say though once again Luke like are you seeing this? I am surprised because whenever I looked up like how much does a private jet cost here check this out your screen is pretty small for me whenever I looked up like how much does a private jet cost you know I'd get answers like 25 million 50 million dollars or you know whatever yeah but I mean that's probably new right like this isn't a new plane no this is a this is a 2008 but still but I bet you this was up there when it was new oh i'm sure it was but is it really am i incredibly lame because i was actually more interested in what laptop that was the laptop oh dude that this picture was taken when pcmcia was a thing buddy yeah look at that not even that one oh that one is interesting

you don't like that one i don't like that one what are these magazines is that ohio magazine no i don't know what this is. Flying. Have you seen the latest flying? Flying? How staged is that out of 10? Okay, sorry, what laptop we're talking about? Go to a previous photo? This guy, this is the same one. I'll see it. Sorry, I have a big delay.

Oh, it's the same laptop. Dude, Intel Centrino, baby! Get that Centrino! Let's go. How long has it been since whatever because I guarantee you this picture was actually taken relatively recently because the interior of this plane has been redone since 2008 so this is a new photo I just guarantee you that whoever does the staging for these photos just didn't bother to replace this laptop for 20 years yeah also this is clearly Photoshop like how

audio jacks in the front how rough is that yeah dude i'm i'm liking the audio jacks you could you could rebind those in software get that good 5.1 yeah yeah windows xp baby sick laptop anyway i can i continue i continue to be surprised at like because i i guess the cost is actually in the other stuff physical left and right buttons sorry i'm still on the You're still on the laptop. I miss physical left and, like the, oh man, like my laptop right now is one big touchpad. You just have to like find it. It doesn't feel right.

Bent Bob says 2008 plane, is it cheap? Because commonly needed parts are now rare. And everyone who has them has a I know what I got mentality. And I got to tell you. So Luke, you remember me kind of dropping the bombshell that that that. that original like gamer plane was under a million dollars right for like an actual whole ass jet

like a jet plane that could like fly across North America which blew my freaking mind and sorry what was it Bob or something like that yeah Ben Bob nailed it absolutely nailed it

a huge part of why an older craft like that would be so cheap is because the cost of maintaining it is so much higher than the cost of acquiring it that it's kind of like it's kind of like over leveraging a house that goes down in value so you're effectively underwater like there reaches a point where they're worth more as as the spare parts for the other people who are desperately trying to keep their older planes in the air than they're worth to try to bring them back up to speed and keep them flying. So it's a whole thing. And I got to tell you, as someone who only recently like learned about any of this, I was blown away by how few of these planes they actually make.

So that one was an Astra, what was it called? Astra 100 or something like that? Oh, I can't remember anymore. Anyway, Gulfstream bought them. Sorry, sorry, yeah, no, it was an Astra-SPX. I-A-I-A-I-A-A-S-P-X. So that was before Gulfstream acquired them. How many produced? Let's see.

Let's see if the AI gets this right. A total of 77 I-A-I-A-A-A-A-A-A-S-P-Xs and Gulfstream G-100 aircraft were produced. So, and that appears to actually be right. according to Wikipedia. So that includes both the original Astra and the G100, which had a wider and longer cabin or revised nose and something, something, something, something, something, something.

So that was, they produced those back in, I think, the late 80s or something like that? Don't quote me on that. When were these actually produced? Yeah, yeah, manufactured from 1985 to 2017. Okay, no, no, no. So that number is only for the original one, if I recall correctly.

No, look at this. total 265 over 30 years like they don't they don't make that many of these things so getting the spare parts for them if the manufacturer is not able or willing to make you one

you literally in a paper rolodex could have the name and number of every single person on earth who owns another one and who could possibly have that water pump or who knows right like i don't know i don't know what parts uh planes have so yeah so uh carna evil set our carnival says that for that hawker 4 000 that we were looking at a second to go uh here control shift t let's see if i can bring this back up yeah

so for this guy apparently there were uh 73 made 73 so like you me and Dan could on our fingers and toes almost count the number of these planes that there are

in the world which I don't know just kind of blew my mind I just still functional we totally could I just thought you're probably right

yeah you're you're probably right and you talk to like aviation people and they will literally know like how many of them are still in service right

and they can get retired for any number of reasons they can crash, they could just not be worth it. You hear about this with cars sometimes too, but I've also heard that it's sometimes the case where people will literally buy two, and one of them is literally

only purchased as a donor plane. Yep. Which is wild. And sometimes that's not because it's impossible to get a replacement part, but because it's much faster to have one on hand, and then you can like then take your sweet time

going and finding another one for your store. So as part of the discussions around that original Astra I learned of someone who has a fleet of like three or four of them and a donor plane so that they just like have spares so they can keep the others going because they're running like a charter business of some sort and I was like that sounds super cool

I don't think I'm going to be entering the aircraft charter business anytime soon, but that's like, that's super cool. It's really interesting learning about it. I never really had an interest in planes, but the more I learn, the more interesting it is. And I just, I had no idea how small the entire industry was, like tiny. And so I guess it makes sense that these things are $25, $30 million brand new. When you look at a product line that they might have over a span of 30 years and go, they're going to build 250 of them.

Total. Over all of those years. But then I guess a huge part of the money is also in the maintenance and whatnot. C.J. Hall says, that's a freaking setup. Four planes and a donor. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. All right.

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Oh, I mean, it's still spinning. I mean, yeah, well, I don't call that spinning. I don't know if it counts. That's whibble-wobble. Yes, it counts if you couldn't see me, Seth Jones. Oh, okay. D.K. Rocksmith says, my merch message glitched out. Where do you guys get your Linux ISO?

I'm in the process of digitizing my library and have some that are less than ideal that I'm wanting to take the path and getting them to digital. So, I'm not going to answer that question, but what I will answer is that I came across this super cool article that I actually meant to add to the WAN show. There's a firmware hack that you can do for certain Blu-ray drives. Shout out the dedicated people who created this. Someone's going to link it in the chat because I forget what it's called. But basically, there's like a firmware update that you can do to certain things. Blu-ray drives that just allows them to just read Blu-Rays and not worry about encryption or if they're a UHD Blu-Ray or blah, blah, blah, it just reads the bits off the thing and you can

make MKV them and it's super, super awesome. Somebody remind me of what it's called, but it's super cool. Nobody is telling me, oh, well, someone will, as always, you know, I remind people to be, is it Libra Drive? That might be it. I think that might be it. I don't know. I was honestly, I was reading something else.

Yeah, a Libre Drive is a mode of operation of an optical disk drive, where in the data and all the disks can be accessed directly without any restrictions. So best Libre Drive compatible Blu-ray Drive. Oh, yeah. So go down the Libra Drive rabbit hole and you will

figure it out. Once you have a Libre Drive theoretically, you can just huck any Blu-ray in it, and it should be good to go. Arch Linux.org. Thank you, Dan. Thank you for that.

All right. What are we supposed to be doing right now? More topics. Oh, man. How did we do so few topics already? This is terrible. The show has been on for... Why does anybody even...

You're not done the announcements. Why does anybody even watch the show? We don't even... We don't even pay attention to what we're supposed to. We've been live for two hours, and we've done like three topics. Wait, Sammy specifically asked us to not do the full-opening announcement after the sponsor spots, and then we're going to do it again. Well, we didn't show the short video. Well, why did you guys do that?

Look what you've done to Sammy. He's probably crying right now. I have like 30 unread messages from him. Do you really? I'm just going to read them later, I think. You don't? No, I don't. No.

Okay. No. Shoot, do I have any unread messages from him? That wouldn't even surprise me that much. If not, I feel like he probably gave up on us. I would have. That's possible. Which is so sad.

This is hilarious. I had no idea that Sebastian was from Edmonton. He says, couldn't contribute to your Edmonton conversation because I was in the car, but hearing y'all talk about it was hilarious. Also, you've probably spent more time in West Edmonton mall than me, even though I was born and raised in Edmonton. That's funny, my brother hadn't been there yet either. It's the classic the locals never do their own. local things thing. Like I honestly think some of the recent

conversation around travel and reducing travel has been really good because it prompts people to like do the things that like Yvonne and I used to think like oh yeah it's summer we should go away and then we're like, what the fuck are we doing? Why would we go anywhere in summer?

People travel to Vancouver in the summer. We should go places in the winter. Like what are we thinking all these years? Just do things here. But you don't think of that. Traveling to more summery locations than Vancouver in the summer kind of sucks. Like, it's death here. Yeah.

You walk outside and it actually feels like you're in an oven. It's horrible. I hate it. Exactly. I hate that DefCon is in Vegas. I hate that DefCon is in Vegas in the summer. Like, let's go to, yeah, we'll go to Vegas in January during CES. Like, way more pleasant time to go.

It's still hot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Pan Blach says. it's the worst to ask someone local what there is to visit. I know, right? Like, I have to go look it up when people ask me,

oh, what is there to do in Vancouver? I'm going, I don't know, go play badminton at Smash Champs. Sit in my computer room at home? Because that's what I do here. I don't know what else there is. Okay, there's the grouse grind. There's the grouse grind. Which is not as sexy as it sounds.

You can't just say, you can't just see the gross grind. There's incredible hiking I love the gross grind Yeah but like it's Gross grind is like But it's iconic Almost like a cardio exercise I mean yeah

It's good for you But there's hiking that's like You can walk it More Yeah You can walk it I don't like steps I don't like steps hiking

Personally I mean You do have Like a mountain raw You do have the option to get good Like I'm just saying I'm just saying That's not doing steps

I'm just saying if you fear the steps. You know what I'm not saying amount of steps that you take. You could conquer your fear. You could conquer your fear. It's an option. Of what? Of steps, apparently. I'm saying I prefer the more difficult type of hiking.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Luke, take it one step at a time. I'll be there with you. It'll be okay. I'll be there. I'll be there. I'll be there waiting at the top. You can go up a step. Okay, well, do we do the full-point announcement now, or do we do a couple topics?

I don't know. We should do it now. We should do it now. Okay. Guess what, folks? It's Scrapyard Wars Day. It's going live. Hold on.

I'm just going to do a thing here real quick. Here it is. Scrapyard Wars 10. This is hilarious. You and I, and this is ridiculous. Um, anyway, cool, uh, public. Not actors. Release date. Immediate release. That's right, my friends. I'm here to bring you.

Immediate release. It's back. It's bigger than ever. Linus and Luke face off to build the ultimate budget home theater gaming setup using just 1,400 U.S. dollars. They'll search local listings, thrift stores, back alleys, and online marketplaces to find the best cheap gaming, gaming PCs, 4K TVs, surround sound systems, and use components like CPUs and GPUs. The goal? Create a fully functional home entertainment center for gaming, movie watching, all with perfect vibes without breaking the bank. You'll see smart, DIY solutions and intense tech rivalries as each team fights for the

best bang-for-the-buck setup to be crowned Victor. Save. It's live. I'm excited. Also, also, each episode will have extras As we have a combined total of 50 hours of footage Not including screen recording Oh, Sammy says

Let's also make the behind the scene slash extras live now So I guess I will do that Here's extra Okay I get it Okay, so that's public now you know what I'll allow it I'll allow it

what else am I supposed to say about this while you're there we're looking for your creative ideas to include in our next float plane X creator warehouse merch drop which will be a poster leave your comments on the behind the scenes I guess leave your comments there and we'll gather some

idea oh no no there's a link we'll gather some ideas to make a sick poster for our float plane subs on a stream with Sarah featuring Sammy and then the link is here. So you want to go here. We need your ideas post under float plane exclusives. There you go. We need your

ideas right there. All right, cool. I think that's it for the float plane announcements. All of these are exclusive for subscribers at at lmg.gggg gg slash floatplane. So yeah, don't worry, scrapyard Wars will come to YouTube, but

not yet. So there's going to be early access for the entire scrapyard Wars 10. It's going to be great. All right, what are we supposed to be doing now? You're more topics. Boom, got them. Tesla loses $240 million in an autopilot wrongful death case. A Florida jury has found Tesla partly liable for a 2019 crash

involving its autopilot driver assistance system, awarding a total of $242.5 million in damages, making this one of the first major legal decisions to go against Tesla over its driver assist tech. The crash killed one pedestrian and severely injured another after the driver, distracted by his phone while on enhanced autopilot, assumed the car would stop. Instead, it went through the intersection at over 60 miles an hour, hit an SUV, and struck the pedestrians on foot.

The jury pinned two-thirds of the blame on the driver and one-third on Tesla, pointing to autopilot being built for highways but not locked out from other roads. Yep. Musk publicly claiming that autopilot drove better than humans. That is a direct quote. And Tesla's history of brushing off NTSB safety recommendations after earlier fatal crashes. It is a tough question because the whole better-than-humans thing could technically still be true. I mean, yeah, if he was on his phone, it might have been maybe two people would have been dead.

There are absolutely humans that do this. There are humans that drive through intersections and smack into people. Yep. Yeah. Tesla said it will appeal, calling the verdict wrong, and warning that it could set back industry. wide efforts to deploy life-saving automation while maintaining that no car then or now could have avoided the crash.

Legal experts say this could open the floodgates for more lawsuits against Tesla and other automakers, especially as ADAS features spread. I mean, yeah. They can't be immune to it, so something's going to happen. How did this take so long as I think my main

discussion question here? Because the way, and I've been saying this for so many years, I don't object to the technology that Tesla's building. In fact, it's pretty cool. What I object to is the way that they have marketed it. Calling it autopilot makes it sound like a lot more than what it actually is. Calling it full self-driving, even if it's a beta, makes it sound a lot more capable than what it actually is. And the way that they have deceptively marketed these products, I mean,

their most recent defense in California against the false advertising claim was Well, we've been doing it this long and no one said anything. They didn't even deny it was false advertising. How has this been excused for so long? And why did it take so long for this reckoning? Because it has significantly caused people to overestimate the capabilities of these systems and in some cases with fatal consequences. I just, I, like I said, I don't object to the cool tech that Tesla is building,

but I don't respect the way that they have marketed their products and the way that they have overrepresented them. And actions have consequences. This time it's $240 million, and there's probably going to be more. You can doge a wrench, but can you doge a fine? Says Amnetics. Oh, man. If you had enough doge, you could doge a fine.

I mean, hey, not wrong. Not wrong. If you didn't have a falling out with the, with the tweeter in chief then you might be able to doge a fine. Yeah.

I just really don't, I don't, obviously this isn't done yet. You know, there's going to be, there's going to be plenty of appealness. I mean, this is probably going to make it

all the way to the Supreme Court just because of the, I think that Tesla's not wrong. The, the cooling effect that this could have on development in the industry could be,

very strong, but Tesla has nobody to blame for that but themselves for recklessly rolling this out before it was actually ready and recklessly misrepresenting its capabilities. So this is one of those things where it's like, I don't know, what kind of a parallel can you draw to this? Also, would it? Because like their market isn't only America. Like we talked, I think it was last show about Tesla competing in that automated driving thing that was in China. There's clearly a lot of cars that they sell in China. That's true. But America's a major world market.

And like if you could potentially face a quarter billion dollar fine when something goes wrong. I think it might slow down the rollout. I don't think it would slow down the work, if that makes sense. I mean, the work will only be done if they can roll it out. out and profit from it though ultimately exactly um yeah unique username says yeah what tesla does is harmful for the entire industry harming confidence in tech across brands i mean i i hate to even say this but the closest parallel that i can really think of here is Tesla is the false claimant going well if you punish me for saying something that wasn't true then that's going to

harm the whole Me Too movement. That's Tesla's role here, is they were a bad faith actor who fucked things up, and then they're sitting here going, but think of the consequences. Well, yeah, maybe you should have thought of that. Yeah.

Because, like, I want the industry to move forward. I want the industry working to build public trust and work with regulatory bodies to roll this out in a responsible way. and you f*** it up and like

I don't know I feel like a broken record at this point it's like it's one of those things where I feel like this is going to be yet another WAN show where the comments are full of

like one is just hating on Elon Musk I don't hate the guy but I can absolutely hate the way that he approached this and I called it I was right I don't know him

I hate a lot of stuff he's done fair enough I guess you hate his his public image I don't even know I mean, I don't respect it. I'll say that much. Hate's an awful strong word.

I don't think I can think of too many people that I hate. Like, hate is, oh, hates really strong, man. But, like, I don't respect, I don't respect, thinking that you're above the law and thinking that you're not accountable to anybody. Literal lives are at stake. And the irrespons, I mean, and I called it so long ago. I was like, this will happen.

I'm not even happy I'm right Like this isn't like you getting to be right about the cool stuff that you're always right about This sucks I don't want to be right about this I don't know if everything that I've I've guessed is cool Yeah I know some of the stuff you've been right about is pretty uncool actually I don't I don't meet someone Sorry

No go ahead I did I did meet someone here who talked about my whole Bringing back the mainframe thing I was talking about AI stuff for a second. He was talking about how his company, who in this case will remain nameless, is like doing that whole song and dance right now. They're building like many, many, many millions of dollars,

tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars in investment, doing on-prem and L-LM stuff. Dude, you called it so hard. It's not necessarily to do training. It's because definitely nothing that they do ever can go out of house and they're seeing productivity advancements happening in the market

and they're not getting them so they're like okay this is what we're doing now and he was like yeah you called it and I was like yeah I think we both get to be right on that one right? I think that's probably fair it was a discussion really you remember all the crap that I was taking

back when I put like a storage servers on-prem like way back when we built like the vault and stuff dude I took so Creators are doing it. I took so much flack for not using the cloud for everything. And I was like, bro, this is so obvious. I pay for it one time.

There's no ingest fees. There's no takeout fees. I just pay for it one time. And all I'm putting on it is crap that I ultimately don't really care about. It's archival. It doesn't really matter. And I took so much flack for it, man. Because everyone was going cloud.

It's cloud. It's hyperconvergence. It's this, it's that. love oh my god i just want a nass calm down um and it seems like it seems like everyone is bringing stuff back prim i didn't back on prem i didn't see compute coming though like i didn't i i saw storage storage was just kind of obvious to me because it's so not simple like you you need to be qualified to administer it properly obviously we had those data rod issues with the vault like it's not simple but it is it's relatively simple

whereas I think the kinds of deployments that you're talking about are very unsimple, especially with modern hardware having the kinds of power and cooling requirements that it does. Like you have to architect this shit. Like one of the parts of the discussion was talking about how he's part of

the new like local infrastructure team. Right. And how that's like not super normal now considering he doesn't actually work at a data center. He works it like you know the amount of money going into it might make it sound like a data center externally but it's like really not it's it's amazing how how not far 10 million dollars goes these

days yeah exactly yeah it's a it's a very sizable server room um and and he has like himself in a very small team and they're they're managing it and it's just it's interesting because this is like how things worked when you and i were getting into the industry and then it kind of stopped being that way everything it was the the same like nobody got fired for buying ibn yes it was like nobody got fired for moving things to the cloud um and then now it's it's starting to come back which is which is cool it's medical is my guess uh i can't say yes or no it's a good guess though that is one of the fields that um would be doing this type of thing medical legal military there's plenty of reasons that you would want to have on-prem yeah

Yeah. Big, massive, big money companies that need to be able to move efficiently because everyone does. And there is no possible chance that the stuff that they're working on can go public at any time. And then it's like, okay, well, you can't use these public like opening eye chatbot models then. Although, you know, they did just announce that they're open sourcing some stuff, but you

You can't use the traditional login to the website type system. Seth Jones, bringing us back just a little bit in floatplane chat, says, does the way that Tesla overpromises their tech at all mirror what the current AI industry is doing with AI tools? We will see real health impacts as people listen to these AI tools for things like medical care. Absolutely. And that's one of the reasons that Luke and I talk about that so much as well. because it's not that we are like amazing soothsayers with incredible crystal balls it's just that it's so bloody obvious and it feels like lawmakers move at glacial speed sometimes when it's clear that decisive quick action needs to be taken to deal with this stuff and it's it's so frustrating um you know i don't i don't know how to fix that like how do you how do you force politicians to pick up a fucking you know newspaper right i can't expect

them to read online apparently so like how many of them uh it's not their thing um how do i say this um um a lot of country leadership all over the place is just like extremely geriatric just to be blunt yeah and it's like when when like cars becoming a thing was like a big thing in your life um LLMs might not exactly be top of mind right now it just when you went to school and used chalk and paper on slate yeah like yeah like damn dude come on this is a big part of why lena con was cool is literally just because this is more of the stuff that like she grew up with as the topical thing at the time i'd like to once again extend an invitation to lena con to come move to canada and be our prime minister yeah i'm just saying i will personally run your campaign to be prime minister of Canada.

I'll volunteer. To be clear, I don't think Carney's done anything particularly egregiously offensive to me yet. I'd just rather Lina. We're on a first name basis. I call her Lina.

Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah. She called me Linas. It's our thing. UnifyOS server enters early access Ubiquity released UnifyOS server which allows users to self-host

the entire Unify stack on their own hardware TLDR on the need for this if you have a Unified ecosystem like wireless access points, unify cameras access control this allows you to bring your own hardware instead of buying a cloud device or multiple cloud devices for you or your clients

or not necessarily cloud but like controller devices installing and owning a Unify controller isn't necessarily new. It's gone through several revisions over the years. They've had dedicated hardware, like the Cloud Key, which I think was only about $100 when it was released. It had just two gigs of RAM and a slow quad-core SOC. They also have beefy dedicated hardware, like the Cloud Key Enterprise.

The Dream Machine, if I recall correctly, can also act as a Unified controller. And then it determines, like, how many unified devices you can manage, how powerful your controller is. But this is super cool. Now you can just, like, bring your own hardware. The requirement for the UnifyOS server are a minimum of 20 gigs of free space, WSL, Windows Subsystem for Linux V2, or Linux Podman 4.3.1 plus. The biggest reason this is exciting is that the old Unify software that was available on computers

could only host Unify network to manage things like Wi-Fi, but this is now adding Unify identity, which controls user access to buildings and such. Super cool! So you could just have it run in a VM, you could make it super resilient, have failover or high availability or whatever else. You can do anything you can do with a computer that you can administer on-prem with your own hardware. And that is just super cool for a company that still somehow has not transitioned to a subscription model. Not only are they not going subscription model with their networking hardware, but they are even letting you bring some of your

own hardware instead of buying it from them as long as you buy a whole bunch of their other hardware. Unify, or ubiquity, excuse me, has such an enlightened approach to how much of their hardware I should be forced to buy. The answer is fucking zero. I should be forced to buy zero of your hardware. Apple, I already bought your AirPods Pro 2s. I shouldn't need another Apple device to monitor my battery life on it. I already bought the product. So I should have the functionality of ubiquity seems to embrace that i buy the access point it should just work now i can bring my own controller hardware because at the end of the day i bought the access point i am your customer it's super based and i like it good job ubiquity sorry i sound like angry but i'm happy

Sorry, what's Hamnetics talking about? Oh, no, never mind. All right. Oh, Google claims that AI isn't killing website clicks. But you sure about that? No, David wanted me to do a Tim Robinson voice. I forget the voice. I'm sorry.

After a report from the Pew Research Center backed up claims from SEO experts that AI summaries are causing a massive reduction in click-through to websites of nearly 50% via search engines. Head of Google Search, Liz Reed, responded in a blog post that said, third-party reports were based on flawed methodologies, isolated examples, or traffic changes that occurred prior to the rollout of AI features in search. She further actually that total organic click volume from Google Search to websites has been relatively stable year over year, and average quick click quality has increased.

The problem with all of this is that while Pew Research, Center not to mention our friends over at um oh god i forget house fresh who that was close also i think the anecdotal evidence of most people using google yeah so our so so so so pue research center and our friends over at house fresh fresh brought the data but liz reed brought some words with no data to back this up other than Trust Me, Bro, which I think Google at this point has kind of utilized their full allocation of how many bro trust-meas they get. So I'd love to see Google actually bring the data here. However, what I will say is that my personal habits, especially now that I've started using AI

a little bit more and had such serious problems with it. are shifting in a big way. So I will read an AI summary, and now I won't just click through one source. I'll actually click through more than one. It's something that I've noticed myself doing, especially over the last couple of weeks. Now all of a sudden...

Trust stuff less? I trust everything less now. Like the AI summary has eroded my trust, not only in the AI summary, but even in the sources that it is citing, if that makes sense. Yeah. I have no bro trust left, Luke.

So, and I don't know if my behavior, like, is anyone else feeling the same way as anyone? I saw Dan nodding, but like, is anyone else behaving this way? Yeah, I've been doing that too. It's really weird to hear somebody else is doing that too. Yeah. Sometimes I just want the AI summary stuff sometimes, but I don't trust it. Weird. Why is that the natural progression of this?

Bubbly Charzard asks, is there a limit on the Trust Me Bro warranties? You have already used a bunch with the single layer backpack issues. I'm not really sure what you mean by using a bunch. What we did was we offered a remedy and then we offered a virtual second layer such that if the first layer wears through on one that doesn't have the two layers, then you contact us and we fix it or get a replacement. I'm sorry, I'm just 100% not sure if I'm not sure if I'm I understand your question.

And then our limited lifetime warranty for the backpack is laid out on our site. So, yeah, anyone else? I literally just don't believe anything made after 2023, says Krusty Trompone. Is that where we're headed? Like, dude, I don't even, I don't even, I would occasionally, very occasionally, let's say once every six months, I would, Open up Facebook so that I could browse my incredible Facebook Marketplace algorithm, and I would start scrolling, like, the main feed. And I'd, like, watch some videos or something.

I straight up don't even bother anymore because I'm so sure that so much of what I'm looking at is fake. Yeah. Like, is it all just ruined at this point? The internet is kind of a dumpster fire right now. And I don't think there's going to be much undoing it. Parallelogram says I've had professors who will not allow sources

unless they were pre-COVID because so many of the newer ones are fake. What? Yeah. No, that actually completely makes sense to me. It's rough. I think, you know how the,

I've mentioned this a couple times on WAN show, but you know how the, the like, crypto bros tried to say that blockchain was Web4. I think AI, garbage might be effectively web for because that's sad why do you is this a competition are you just

trying to find something worse to be right about than what i was right about maybe i think i think you're right but like wow the actual rules for like how those iterations happen i don't know that they're really are here's here's a colored metal yeah yeah really yeah um because like i i i think to me it's always like using the internet now feels significantly different. That's the way that I've seen like web one, web two, web three. Each one of those line up for me as in the way that I use and interact with the internet significantly changed around this time. And blockchain didn't do almost anything for that, for the vast majority of people.

But AI garbage has massively changed how people interact with the internet and how people perceive the internet. Both of those things have massively changed. Yeah. One of our discussion questions on this one is what's your favorite alternative search engine, present or past? Well, those are Web 3. Ultivista, baby. Ask Gene!

Nice. I have to confess that I didn't really think about how automatically I used Google until I switched over to GraphQL Yeah, I skipped one. So sorry, sorry, sorry. I meant I went web three, not web four.

My bad. Thanks. It defaults to duck, duck go. And I have yet to have it be a problem yet. I haven't fully switched over. I haven't put my sim in this phone yet. It's a bit of a trip, man. The default app store has...

Wait, what are you running? Sorry, is that graphing? I'm going to do it for a month. I had someone in chat earlier asking me about the fold seven. That's next in my queue. I haven't done a phone in a while. Now I've got two dumped on me right at the same time. I might do the Fold 7 first just because this is a little less time sensitive.

But I'm very intrigued by it so far. There's, you have to install Android Auto. You can install the Google Play store and it runs in like a sandboxed way. Yeah. So that it like controls what it can see. But it doesn't even come with it by default. It's, um, it's, it's very interested in setting up graphene. The main thing that I've been staying away from is,

and I'd be interested in if you can get an answer to this being an actual user, because I don't know anyone directly that actually uses it day to day. But can you get any form of actual call screening? Oh. Because I don't think so. And I've been wondering if there was some, because call screening right now, as far as my understanding goes for Google, is processed on their servers. So I was wondering, like, the thing that terrifies me is how much this might cost.

But I was kind of thinking it could be interesting to, try to set up like an open source bounty for a locally processed call screening app. That's interesting. I think that would be really cool. That is something that like if it was an app that existed and it was a paid app, I would buy it 100%. And I would switch over to graphene. But the thing that has been keeping me off of graphene is specifically just call screening

not being a thing. There's not just because of like my number having leaked a couple times and stuff, but just there are so many spam calls these days that it would like actually be a significant waste of my time to answer the phone every time I get called. Yeah. Okay, I added that to my notes. Yeah, but I think having a pixel dialer that processes

in Google's cloud is at least partially defeating the point of having graphic. Someone's like, oh, you can just download that. I think that's going to be one of my big conclusions, honestly, from this video. is that, you know, I didn't find, I can already tell. I have hardly even set the thing up yet. You can say I have almost nothing installed in it.

And the second I opened it up, I was like, well, I want Google, I want the Google Play Store. And I went, the conclusion is going to be, wow, using this is basically the same because I'm completely using it wrong. So to spoil the video a little bit. I think you should try to go out of your, you know, your box a little bit. Like, what if you... It's tough because I have a lot of work... Maps.Me. It's tough because I have a lot of work to do

that I just, like, need to do my work on. Should someone else do this with you then, though? Because, like, I think that's not the graphene experience. No. No, it's not. Because there are, like, there are alternative mapping solutions, which are, like, local... Localized maps and, like, all this other stuff.

Yeah, there's one that's, like, right in their app store or in the... Is Russian? I don't know. the other app store that they have. It's like local maps. But with that said, owner hikeage in float plane chat

says, I mean, look at the permissions list for Google Play services and then have the satisfaction of being able to deny almost all of them. Like, that's something. Sometimes, because Android actually has a lot of really great privacy features. That doesn't defeat the purpose then.

It's just that they don't guide you to use them. Like, that's something that I think, that from my last round on iPhone that I came away really positive about was that while honestly the iPhone doesn't actually have a lot of privacy stuff that Android doesn't have, what they do is they like put it in your face. They're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, this is happening. Did you want this to happen?

Right? Like, they actually really make a point of prompting you to think about it, whereas Google doesn't, not to the same degree. And so if it's as simple as, you know, making me think about it a little bit more, Maybe GrapheneOS does have a point, even for someone like me who isn't going to stop using Otter for meeting transcription and isn't going to stop using teams and isn't going to stop logging into my corporate G Suite account, you know, as system wide as I possibly can so that I have a more seamless experience, right? Like, I'm going to do all those things. But, hey, at least it's not any worse than it has to be. What a statement about technology, right?

I'm trying this new thing because at least it doesn't have to be any worse than it has to be. Oh, that blows. All right. All right. Our next topic is Linus wants to talk about this Reddit post. Is this normal if you're playing constant? some games will be discontinued on older platforms? No, but it will be.

This was posted by Genshin Impact. Notice on the removal and discontinuation of updates for Genshin Impact on PS4, hashtag Genshin Impact. Dear Traveler, thank you for your continued support and love for Genshin Impact on PS4. Due to limitations related to hardware performance and platform application size, we will be discontinuing support and updates for Gensian Impact on PS4 in future versions. versions. Gengen Impact on PS5 will continue to operate normally and is not affected by the removal and update discontinuation on PS4. Traveler will still be able to enjoy the latest content updates on PS5 and other supported platforms. The Reddit user says, this is my first time encountering a game being discontinued as I don't use consoles. Should consumers who play on consoles be concerned about this? Games get discontinued on PC all the time. No, no, no, no, no, no.

But my point is that this is a free-to-play game that just like stops working. This whole, it's, we are finally reaching the end game for some people of games as a service where they're going, well, whoa, whoa, hold on a second. But, but this is a game that I, that I always played on this. And I, well, I still want to, I still want to play it on it. well what happened to the game that I played

this is what we've been talking about like this whole time where as soon as the control over the game in this case it's a free to play so I'm not even mad like yeah they can do whatever they want to do with it at the end of the day it's up to them to optimize the size people that have

spent a lot of money oh this is true this is true no this is very true and now I guess extremely monetized now I guess you better spend another 500 bucks on a PlayStation 5 or some other piece of hardware that'll run this game and this is

what we warned you about is that is that a crazy part of this like if you're if you're a free to play platform is this an easy way to get rid of the users that you don't want oh just like the the pores who aren't spending enough money on your game

oh wow because if they have enough money to buy those big packs they i'm assuming they sell packs i think that's the thing these days um they probably have enough money to buy a new playstation um man this is brutal i mean to be clear i'm not sorry i'm not i'm not trying to like gloat or anything i'm not happy about this it's just like this is this is exactly what we've been talking about where you you put the power in the game publishers hands for when and how they want to support the game and they decide hey we're you know what we're just going to we're going to take our ball and go home that's it you're completely at their mercy

you don't play that game anymore i um i got to say it's one of the reasons that i have a really hard time investing myself in any way in any kind of live service gaming experience Yeah. At the end of the day, next time I log in, it'll be different. And if I really liked it the way that it was, I feel like a lot of the toxicity that we see in these communities, where they kind of, anything, something gets buffed, half the community is mad. Something gets nerfed. Half the community is mad. It's like, yeah. One of the problems is. Just be happy they didn't rip it out of your hands entirely, I guess, is the only consolation I can offer. one of the problems is even single player games are getting post-launch balance changes these days which i just don't get but is absolutely a thing like nothing is really safe from the developers

continuing to metal uh reggaeida says does wow still have the same hardware requirements is when it was released 20 years ago absolutely not and um this may surprise you but i have never subscribed to Wow. But you could play a privateered pirate server of the original Wow that does have the same hardware requirements.

With Genshin, you're just kind of like... Let's go PC gaming. There are privateer servers for Genshinchers. Are there really? Someone mentioned it in Flooplait chat. I had no idea. Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah, Elijah makes a good point.

I mean the game runs on a phone so from his point of view this seems like a hundred percent an excuse to get rid of the pores that's like it's such a cynical take but I wish I could I wish I could refute it

but are they really putting that much server load on just firing up the game on their PlayStation and playing Genshin Impact like I am just it's rendered locally like what's the load they mentioned performance and I wonder if it's like

you know, they want to release some new zone and it's going to just not function or something. I have no idea. VogelB.R. said, this isn't taking your ball and going home. This is popping the player's ball and walking away. Yeah. Yeah, I get it.

I still think, I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least an undertone of, we're not worried about those users, though. Seriously. Yeah. Because if you're free to play a game and you have users that never pay for micro transactions,

those users cost you money. I guess that's true. It doesn't matter if they're only costing you a little bit. They're costing you money. They're costing you money. There is an aspect to it where they are fodder for your paid users. They are the minions that your paid users get to cleave through and look down on. So you want at least some of them, but you probably don't need that many, you know? Yeah. Man, that's adding another layer of cynicism to it. Like having the poorest just be fodder for the pay-to-wins. So having them be part of your, part of your balanced ecosystem.

That's, dude, that's crazy. That's crazy. No, I'm certain that's a thing. I used to think about this, and I would talk about it sometimes with Tarkov, too. Because Tarkov had a skill system. It was really weird that a first-person shooter game had a skill system. And the skill system took forever to level up. like for reference like you know i play that game a ton i don't think i ever actually maxed out a skill

right because they don't want you to unless you're like a streamer bro and you play this game for your living and also you are the the advertisement so if you have skills once you get a skill to max level in tarcoff not only is it strong but you unlock unique perks that are like really strong. Okay. And it gives you a definite actual advantage in the game. So if all your streamer bros have an advantage in the game and also play all the time, so they're really good. Then they make the game look like way cooler and way awesomer. And then you're like, oh, I want to go, you know, kill all these dudes and get all their gear and be better than everyone as well. And then you go play and you just get wrecked because now you are the cannon fodder for the streamer bros. It's a, it's an

interesting concept. There's there's so much incentive right now to make your game good for streamers. I think a lot of people saw this from PubG. PubG had a really really, really, really strong natural cycle of intense focus gameplay.

So it was like intense focus looting round with a little bit of a lull after that where you're probably just running or moving or whatever and you can you can talk to chat, answer some message things, thanks and people, whatever, and then get into the late game fight and then die and then get into the lobby where you can sit back and fully relax and chat with your talk with your chat for a while and respond to more subscription stuff and you get into another game and it keeps cycling. Because if you play a game like, I don't know, this is a topical game right now, Battlefield. Battlefield might not be as strong of a streaming game because it doesn't necessarily have the break cycle that something like, I don't know. like a Apex Legends or a PubG or whatever else might have. So there's these like, is it a good game for streamers?

Because if it is a good game for streamers, whether or not that translates to the users individually does mean that you have like the best possible advertising engine for games on your side, which means you'll probably win regardless. Like we see this with Among Us, I think is another good example. Among Us is like an incredibly good streaming game. Among Us didn't take off for a really, long time. Among Us was

not super talked about and then it took off with streamers which made it take off in sales and now it's like a cultural phenomenon and then a bunch of games have been made in the spirit of Among Us whether or not they're actually like Among Us directly or not they've been made with that same type of spirit

and we saw the exact same thing happen with PubG the strongest marketing engine in the world is going to be able to dictate the type of games that are made and the ways that they're made and the benefits that certain players may or may not have. It's a wild world.

My laptop's doing that thing again, so give me a second. Okay. There we go. Everything's working again. Way to go, Lenovo. I love that among us. It's just like, was it?

It was you. It was you I was talking to about this. when you when you saw Adam's title for the YouTube profanity relaxation thing you were like oh it's like the blink song and I was like no the origin of that is actually

George Carlin's bit the seven words you cannot say it's been very interesting to watch my kids think that among us is like sort of the origin of it's like bro we used to play among us in IRL it was called mafia you know

but didn't wasn't Mafia has been off of something else as well? I think the original might be secret Hitler or werewolf. There's a lot of different variants. It's like card games where there's a lot of variance of it, which can be, you know, which can be frustrating but can also be really cool. Like I played a card game that my grandmother called Handenfoot, which I've never been able to figure out what it was.

You had like two sets of cards. That's all I remember because I was like seven or eight or something. and so it's really cool that we used to have kind of house rules for things and I think that's something that's kind of missing now that everyone just plays among us but also you can like tweak the rule set or you know whatever I just might be mods for among us well you can even just you can even just tweak the rule set

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait you guys actually know this game hold on people actually know hand and foot okay I need someone okay what is it actually called because I've tried to look it up and I've never been able to find the game that I played. My wife knows that game.

Hold on a second. Did my Google Food just suck? Hand and foot is a card game, a variation of canasta? Canasta. Oh! Hey, thanks, AI summary. Yep.

How to play hand in foot? Okay. I just sucked at looking this up before. I did look it up years and years ago because I was like, oh, I'd love to play that game that I played when I was a kid. I couldn't find any information on it. Some people are saying it's a version of Rummy,

no, it's a variation of canasta. Okay, I'm going to have to figure out this canasta thing. Oh, here's, okay, here's probably, probably a source that I could maybe trust since they have been trusted since 1885, you know.

Wait. They don't even make bicycles. Liars. This is why they promote this game, though. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's how they get you. That's how they get you. Five to six decks of cars.

Okay. All right. I'm officially adding play hand and foot to my list of things to do with the kids. Feel free to pick topic in the meantime. Okay. Whoa, what the heck just happened?

There we go. PSA, Instagram added maps, and your location is on by default. Perfect. Yesterday, Instagram updated to have a map feature where you can see events and other stories from around the world.

The problem is this is on by default, so if you happen to post a story from your house, It lets all your followers know your exact location. Holy crap. That is the dumbest thing. So turn the setting off, either deny Instagram having location access in your phone settings, or in app navigate to story, live, and location, and turn location sharing to no one.

Elijah said, I saw this story since I was following someone who had over 4 million followers and people started sending her screenshots of her house on Google because she posted a story of her cat. Wow. Oh, my God. All right. Well, I need to log into my Insta real quick. At least I don't post on Instagram.

Yeah, me neither. But what if I accidentally did at some point? Yeah, I'm going to change this right now. this is this uh i hope there's some way they can get sued for this i doubt it they should be able to get sued for doxing people for that default default enabled needs to be something that is like cared about more okay so what do we do we go to in app we navigate to story uh-huh live and location oh my god how are there this many settings in the instagram app like ugh also from meta

I don't care I'd never use this app I really don't Oh okay No just about anything about it I already had location settings Off so it didn't work for me anyways Who can see your content

How you account is it oh is it account center Sharing across profiles Oh my God account settings Preferences subscriptions Personal details I can't even find oh story Story live and location Here we go here we go here we go

Okay location sharing next uh no one cool done all right not sharing location nice let's go whoa okay you can see okay this is the dumb it okay uh whoa i need to message some people um quite a few people actually let's go to an area where i won't have to what were you saying earlier okay so these are just country accounts so i can show this yeah um But it shows exactly where they were posting from. Wow. And it's a live map that you can, like, scroll around on.

I'm not going to move that much. Because I found people that I know personally, and I know where they live, and I'm looking on the map, and that's where their house is, and there's more than one of them. Can you guys believe Luke just docks an entire country live on the WAN show? Actual crime. Dude, this is crazy. I didn't zoom in far enough, but I might have doxed. who is running those country's accounts.

Is someone going to have to die like for for for meta to take this stuff seriously? Will they even? Like this is actually this is insane. Holy crap. I didn't think it would literally just give you a map

that you can scroll around and see everyone that you're following actively with their most recent stories. Like that is wild. Elijah said and it was a snap maps thing from like 10 years ago. This is so, dumb. This is actually just very brain dead. I, yeah, like there's a, there's a, there's one that I follow and I don't know this person, but the snap map location is like in suburbia in kind of

the middle of nowhere. So it's probably their house. That's really bad. Whoa. In other news, Microsoft thinks we're going to throw away our keyboards by the year 2030. Microsoft corporate VP of OS security, David Dwizzle Yestin, made some bold claims in a video posted on the Windows YouTube channel about Microsoft's vision of computing in 2030. TLDR, the future is AI. Among numerous ideas about how AI agents will improve OS security and computing in general in the next five years, Weston claimed that, the world of mousing around and typing will feel as alien as it does to Gen Z to use MS DOS, and said that we will have unlimited compute in the form of quantum. YouTube viewers commenting on the video tend to take issue with Dwissel's predictions.

Herman Wooster, 8944 asks, why is the VP of OS security suggesting such unsecure modes of interaction? While Susketashi points out, you've been trying to migrate control panel to the Settings app. for 13 years This whole interview was Yeah it was kind of rough

Honestly But yeah I don't really know I don't really know how to deal With people who Seemed to be under the impression With people Who keep trying to reinvent

The mouse and keyboard there isn't a faster more precise way and if there was we would have thought of it to point at something and interact with it also this may be surprising to mr dwindle yestin but many people still use the command line for many things some of them on a daily or even hourly or minutely basis it can be an incredibly convenient and fast way of interacting with a PC depending on what exactly it is that you're trying to do photo editing probably not so much administering a server definitely config daily. Yeah, I mean, even a lot more than that, though. Yeah, P-Konetic says, I do command line stuff more now than I did 20 years ago.

Yep. Aslan says, shout out FFMPEG, 100%. Luke, do you need help? There are some... I'm helping some people right now. There are some people that, like, you know that actively docks their own houses. Oh. So I'm trying to...

Cool. Not you, but... Right. Yeah, I don't have any Instagram users in my immediate family. But yes, I mean, you know what? You go ahead and do what you got to do. Digital Foundry has gone independent by buying their brand and video archive from IGN. After years of shared ownership, which passed from parent company to parent company,

and David has a note here, Eurogamer's parent company. gamers network first bought 50% of digital foundry but was then bought by reed pop and then IGN's parent company ziff davis bought gamers network from them ziff davis has had back-to-back of layoffs and offered the buyback to lead better huh richard ledbetter has bought back a majority share of digital foundry the company he founded around 20 years ago by adding 25% to the 50% ownership he already had the final 25% will be held by investor rupert lowman co-founder of Eurogamer. Although we don't know the exact cost of the buyback, Ledbetter said, I think this is pretty much easily the biggest thing I've ever bought, more than my house.

Ledbetter also insists that Digital Foundry won't see major changes or move to a primarily subscription-based model and hopes that they can more easily pursue some of the passion projects that their parent companies have shied away from, like a retro games-focused podcast. That would be pretty cool. We're huge fans of the painstaking work that Digital Foundry does, so we're excited to see where they take the company, and we wish them nothing but success after success. So congrats Richard, Alex, John, Oliver, and everyone on the team. Our discussion question here is, what freedoms has being an independent media source afforded LMG? Ooh, I mean, many. I think that without

being privately held, not just privately held, but majority privately held, we would be a shadow of the company that we are today. We would not be able to do any of the kind of fun outlandish projects that we do, you know, buying fire trucks moving into the old house for our April fools. Fire truck would have never flown. There's absolutely no way. There's absolutely no way.

Especially the last April Fool's one where you got that house, there's no way. There's absolutely no way. Bean counters won't allow that kind of thing. And as much as I love to kind of rib Yvonne on camera about her, you know, her bean counter persona. She's a pretty fun-loving bean counter and it really doesn't take that much convincing, you know, for her to kind of let me do whatever it is that I think is going to ultimately resonate with, you who I see as our guiding star right um and and and and help us kind of build that relationship in the in the longer term um there's all kinds of decisions with respect to like sponsored content or advertiser relationships that we've walked away from that i don't think

a more being oriented ownership group would have uh would have allowed or they certainly would have you know pushed us to try to make things work when we just look at it and we just go yeah this just doesn't really make sense um like there's there's times that we could have done it but it just it would have sucked and it would have felt forced and and you guys wouldn't have liked it and it wouldn't have been good for the long term but i just feel like more numbers oriented people have a tendency to be not even not forward thinking but almost more retrospective like you know you'll look they'll look back and go well that didn't you know blow us up back then so it should be fine and looking backward is such a well for me it's such a

perspective when you're trying to figure out the path forward because just because the direction that you're marching in right now has been good up until this time doesn't mean that it is going to be good in the future or even that it was ever good it just means it might just mean you got away with it you know and um i i am grateful every day that we never raised money every day that we do anything i'm like man i am so glad that i'm not accountable to some bean counter owner that can tell me how to do my job because at the end of the day my job is to be me and hopefully you know enough of you out there relate to that that this whole thing doesn't collapse right like we are it's it's pretty

scary and also humbling to think about that we are one of the longest standing like influencer organizations slash people like i i hail from a completely different era of online influencers before the word even existed and yeah you know i'm i'm not on many actually multiple eras the rise and fall of many, many, many KOL's key online influencers that was the first term that had

influencer in it that I remember from before that was just like a thing have come and gone in the time that I've been around and I am knock on wood here haven't reached the same heights as some of those

people you know what they say about the candle that burns twice as bright might burn half as long so mine's been a slow burn in my weird little tech niche here, but I am acutely aware of the fact that what we do is an alchemical combination of luck and skill and the right people and and grit and all of those things that have somehow managed to carry on for, I mean, 17, I think coming on 18 years now since my first upload, which is literally my YouTube career is almost legally an adult now.

It's just kind of mind-blowing, you know? It is kind of wild. It's been interesting being in creativity. or conversations, like mostly at OpenSauce, where, like, you hear people talk about us, if you know what I mean? Like, there's very few people still around that know that we kind of like pioneered ads, which in a pretty large way directly or indirectly enabled a lot of creators to do this as a job.

There's... To be clear, I just want to make... I want a point of clarification. We weren't the first to do the like podcast style like, you know, ad reads inside our videos, but we were one of the first to do it with like the cutaway to essentially very similar to Google's own AdSense spots. We were one of the first to do sponsorship reads like that with the, you know, you you know the link above the fold and we used to use youtube's annotations so you could like click on it

and interact with it and go to the sponsor's website and stuff like that and what we definitely were for better or for worse was we were one of the first to explain it to our audience and explain how the economics of ad sense were not going to allow the scale that we could see for this for this media for this medium to grow um and that there would need to be more to make it sustainable and google never to this day still hasn't figured out how to compete with the cpms of your own internal sales team selling those placements somehow and i remember getting into a somewhat um i wouldn't say heated but maybe testy conversation with someone very high up at google who works on on the ad product who basically was of the mind

that our idiot advertisers are overpaying for those spots and I said no your idiot product is not selling optimally enough because if you guys were getting the same CPMs that I was I wouldn't even need to do it we agreed to disagree we agreed to disagree what a terrible take

whoa I would not want a person with that a piece to lead a team that I was on. Well, it depends. No, no, because I don't want to be down on the guy. Because honestly, the reason I was talking to him in the first place was he's smart as a f***ing whip, like one of the smartest people that I have ever had the pleasure of speaking with.

There is a reason that he's in the position he's in. However, I think people can end up in their bubble a little bit, and he's in a very data-driven bubble. From his perspective, when it comes down to the rock. data, he's right. They are overpaying because you should only pay a market rate. But from my perspective,

where what I bring to the conversation is the human element, where people ad buyers do not buy necessarily only click through and conversion. They care about those things, especially a certain

kind of buyer cares about those things. But if that was all that mattered, nobody would ever buy a Super Bowl ad. That have no value, right? Some ad buyers, it's more about the emotion. It's about building the connection between those brands. Why do you think AMD spends as much money as they spend? And don't kid yourself, they spend money on AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade.

It's an emotional connection that they want. How many Ryzen CPUs do you think every AMD Ultimate Tech upgrade sells? A handful, maybe? It's not about that. it's about AMD getting to be part of bringing positivity and being at the center of people's tech lives that's what it's about that's what that's what they want and they can't replicate that with just like

with just a data-driven ad transaction product you have to have both yeah i hope he has some more conversations with you in the future yeah sorry what I hope he has more conversations with you on that topic in the future

well because I mean one of the things that I was kind of pitching was I would love to have more tools for us selling against their integration tools yeah like why like because

which was what I was ultimately trying to get at was we know our product better than you ever could and I don't have to prove that because I already did because I can sell it for more than you can so either get good or let me be good

but what we're doing right now is I think creating a really I think it creates a really fragmented product for the user I think that for a user who pays for YouTube premium the fact that so much baked in sponsorness is in their content

is a really discombobulating experience and I would love to streamline the product so that if Google can figure out how to make their ad service products actually work and if they can give us the tools where we can feed our own content into them, that could be a net benefit to both sides

and a better experience for the users. If you could properly sell takeovers as well, I think ads would like that. Sorry, brands would like that. um like if you could have it so that the the google ads and the baked in ads on a video where we're from the same company yeah i mean hathos says trust is important to me the majority of the publications and channels i don't trust their product recommendations without my own research but with l t's integrity and my investment as a viewer product recommendations have weight and that's

something that we we strive for and we don't always get it right i want to make that abundantly clear but what we do do is we take your feedback he said do-do sorry what we do do is we take your feedback and we bring that back to our business team and we make sure that they are constantly revising from a from a category standpoint from a from like a business type standpoint and even down to individual brand standpoint who we're willing to work with yeah I got them. Hey, what do we go next? Um, I don't know.

Digital Foundry. Gabe Newell, I thought I said we're not doing this topic. Gabe Newell bought a super yacht manufacturer. Um, um, should we talk about Microsoft and the keyboards thing? Why does we talk about that already? Okay, hold on a second.

Actually, I have a completely almost unrelated topic of conversation. Why? does Why does Why does Gabe Newell seem to get a billionaire pass?

Why does nobody seem to care that he just like floats around on multiple hundreds of millions of dollars yachts in times of

financial turmoil but we like hate Amazon for doing it? Or Bezos rather specifically. And like, okay, maybe yeah,

okay, Bezos is probably a bad example, because it's very clear why everyone hates him. Workers are, like, very clearly in an abusive relationship with the company. I think that's honestly probably a lot of it. People like the product. People like Steam and Valve and the games that they make. Yeah, they like the product. But, like, I mean, Valve...

The press around them. Like, the press around Amazon is, like, the warehouse workers are, like, horrifically abused. And the drivers are peeing in bottles. And they're like running out of people in the entire country of America that haven't at least worked there once and would be an eligible person to work there because they've cycled through so many people. Okay.

No one wants to keep working there. Okay, forget Bezos for a second. What about like Larry Ellison? Okay, nobody likes... Yeah, Oracle is an incredibly oppressive, horrible thing. But nobody seems to, nobody seems to like hate Ellison for having a giant yacht or a plane or whatever. Like, what's the difference?

I think a lot of people hate Ellison. I think tons of people hate Ellison. I think if you ask the chat right now, people really hate Ellison. Hold on. He's just not as public. He, like, is not as in people's faces. Yeah, okay. Do you know about Oracle hate Ellison, for sure.

Okay, so hold on. Chat's got some takes. Chat's got some takes. Hathos says, while I personally think billionaires shouldn't exist, Valve has made the lives of consumers better. Amazon has made the lives of consumers worse. in many aspects. Okay, I think that's pretty fair. Crystal says, because he just, because Newell doesn't just, like, actively make things worse. What is Amazon done that has made the lives of consumers

worse? I mean, they completely enshrified online shopping. I, I will never forgive them, honestly. Compared to where they were, I guess, so they insidified their own product. Yeah, but, I mean, okay, but we could have had... You never insidified steam. I mean, look, Luke, you and I have talked about this so much, the Silicon Valley model, right? Where you take all of the, you take all the VC funding, you use it to push everybody else out, like Uber basically killed taxis, which were their own problem, honestly. I have no sympathy for the taxi cartels. But they basically like used free money, the free money water hose to wash away the taxis and then jacked up the rate. So now like, okay, yeah. So it's, so they hurt companies, that already existed that deserve to still be able to... Or they hurt... I mean, that's consumer patterns.

Or they hurt... No, no. With Amazon... Hold on, hold on. Hold on. I'm not done with Amazon, though. Because what Amazon harmed was the development of a more organic, healthier ecosystem by just hoovering up everything in their path, by not making money for so long.

And maybe I'm just... I can't bleep it, but maybe I'm just a bad word for approaching this this way, but I don't No, man. I think Amazon created the opportunity and people showed up. People stopped going to those brick and mortars. People bought in heavily. But in the early days, they were so strongly incentivized. The shipping was free and the product cost the same or less. So they sold us. All the writing was aggressively painted in blood on the walls that all the brick and mortars were going to die. You can't expect the average consumer to see that far in the future. They're not that smart. I mean Amazon sold us a future Amazon sold us a future and then rug pulled it like that's what people are mad about They need to get good It was talked about so much

It was in TV news That all the brick and mortars were going to die This was like an extremely well-known thing And people just bought it anyways They didn't care about the brick and mortars Until Amazon exercised their monopoly and then they were like oh think about the people that we definitely killed

by only buying from Amazon I don't know anyways yeah Amazon's obviously trash Breakdown says gamers are incredibly tribalistic and Steam is one of their friendly tribes so Gaben can do no wrong

Breakdown 1923 says nobody hates Jensen Yeah I don't know about that I think there's, I think, I think, I think, Jensen is probably more liked than most of them. You know what? I think that's probably fair because the worst thing he seems to do is make a lot of money, which is sort of par for the course when you're a billionaire. Like that's just, it kind of comes with the territory. He lies all the time. Yeah, that's, that's true. Why do we let him get away with that? I guess, well, we don't. But why do people in general seem to still just kind of love him? I guess they just have like NVIDIA and their 401k and they're just over it like is it that simple probably a lot of people are just like yeah

guy made me a lot of money is what it is hmm what else am i looking okay what else we got here um okay okay oh people are talking about ellison a lot okay i'm gonna have to scroll for a while to get past that uh tim says we randomly give Oprah a pass yeah i actually she seems to be kind of hated by a lot of people yeah she does not have a pass for sure it's funny too though because like most of the billionaires in the world we don't even know their names the only ones we know we just like kind of hate because they're just in the public eye but there's a lot of billionaires out there that just kind of quietly make their money and we don't we don't give them a second thought even with the ones that are public like you pointed out larry he's just not like as public as someone like

Elon or Baisos. So that's almost entirely I'm certain why you had that perspective. But there's a ton of them that just aren't public at all. Yeah. This has generated a ton of conversation. Sidney Broke, it says, a lot of the Oprah hate is because she platformed a bunch of really awful stupid people.

That kind of makes sense. But I guess if you had like a daytime show for that many years, would you run out of, like, credible people to talk to? I mean, I never watched Oprah interview anyone, to be perfectly honest with you. So I have no idea. Like, does she just, is she just positive with everybody about everything? Like, I genuinely don't know. I never had a reason to, like, watch the Oprah Winfrey show.

I'm, I don't know. I just know about you get a car and you get a car. Like, that's all I know. Yeah, me too. I don't necessarily agree. And, you know, I don't know the Oprah situation here. and I know some of them are pretty brutal but I don't necessarily agree with the like

if you have a conversation with someone you automatically condone everything that they say I don't think if you interview someone you automatically condone everything they say yeah no they're making some pretty good arguments in the chat they're making some pretty good arguments in the chat I don't know the ones they're talking about

just like people like who literally have gone on the record saying they promoted quack medicine and no one should believe them anyway and then they just keep doing it yeah like people like that and they and if she platforms that person multiple times then it becomes a thing yeah i just think the like having a conversation one time not necessarily automatically agreeing with everything but having a conversation one time should not be

frowned upon 100 i think it's there's some amount of like if you're a content creator and i'm including tv show host i'm including literally anyone in the public eye really if you write things say things, host things, whatever, that's public, your life is probably far more recorded than anyone else is. And if you took that same level of spyglass and looked at like any one of your random buddies, they probably have said and done dumb things as well. So I think like the, oh, this one person said something that the internet disagreed with one time. Therefore, if you even look in their direction you are automatically evil is like a stupid thing that we need to stop doing. That's fair.

Whatever. So then, I should get a gamer yacht. Is that the correct conclusion? You should get a game or something. Game or something. How about a yacht? Sorry, yatched. I pronounced it wrong the first time.

If it's a yatched and you exclusively call it a yatched, then I think so. Yeah. Okay, we should, Dan, can you let the chat vote? GamerJet or Gamer Yacht? What I love it? Gamer SkiLift. Are we assuming same price? Gamer SkiLift would be pretty sick.

Gamer SkiLift, where would it go? Like, where would we put it? You should work with, like, Seymour. If you could mount compute on the bottom of the seat, and then you can have arms like those airplane arms where the screen comes up yeah so you could like game on your way up the mountain we could get like oh we could we could use like adaptive controllers to make like special big glove compatible controllers so you don't have to take your gloves off yeah yeah pancrat says you could just mount everything to the safety bar so you just pull it down yeah we could go between the buildings Yeah, the screens could go on the safety bar. How much does a ski lift cost? I bet there's one on Facebook Marketplace.

Ski lift. We're going to find out. No way. I can buy a ski lift chair. That's it, though. Okay, I don't know if gaming ski lift is going to happen, boys. I don't think it's going to happen. I wonder if infinite cables could send us a giant wire rope.

The reason why I said under the seat is because there would be more. weather protected That makes sense That makes sense Having all of your stuff On the bars Well I don't think You'd have the compute there

But you could have the But you could have the monitor there Yeah they make weatherproof displays That should be fine Okay Where's the You won't get 100% away from the weather Regardless

But Where's the pole The sea would be the best Where's my pole at It's about 20 to 80 on the yacht ch to uh well where where is it why don't i why don't i see it you might have to refresh polls aren't 100% functional at the moment ah okay so sorry which one's winning works on my machine um the yacht by 80% the yacht winning sorry yacht oh my mistake now we're going to be canceled

i'm so sorry yeah you can't do it now you can't do the the yacht now because dan called it a yacht all right was that it had to be referred to as yacht in other news Nvidia published a blog post on August 5th clearing up some concerns that people had about Nvidia having kill switches or built-in controls to brick GPUs they said

Nvidia GPUs do not and should not have kill switches and backdoors all right I mean that should probably be the bare minimum but hey at least they at least they've taken a stand here in other news TikTok has a better app

TikTok Pro I have no idea So I literally made this a topic Because I didn't understand the article that I read about it So hopefully Elijah has done a great job of summarizing it TikTok is launching a new app in Germany, Portugal and Spain called Wait for it

TikTok Pro It features a new Sunshine program That allows users to contribute And support charitable organizations Users earn virtual sunshine by inviting other users to join and interact with the charity-related content. They can then use this virtual sunshine on a charity,

and then TikTok will donate toward that charity. Yeah, the look on your face says it all. You have like a canyon running between your eyes, and that was, I'm pretty sure what I looked like. You're a wizard, Harry. Other than that, TikTok... I'm trying to figure out if you're talking about the furrow or the actual dent in my head at this point.

I'm not sure. Other than that, TikTok Pro is the exact same. The content is the same and even the overall experience is the same, mostly the same, according to social media today. It is missing live streaming,

the TikTok shop and ads. What is it? Because when I heard TikTok Pro, I assumed it was like, Like, I assumed it was a paid version of the app because of some of the new laws in Europe around like miners and or data collection or something. But then virtual sunshine, what is this? Am I missing something here?

Yeah, Elijah's point here is actually really good. Why do you think TikTok is doing this? Because on the surface, there seems like there's no downside as a lot. a user. No ads, no TikTok shop being shoved in your face, and it maintains all the core TikTok features other than live streams, but as far as my understanding goes, TikTok live streams just generally kind of suck anyways. So, I don't understand it. Seems weird. Okay. So we have no additional clarity. Nope. Neat. Let's go to After Dark. Okay. Did we only ever do one merch message earlier?

Oh, Lordy, there were a lot of merch messages today. Oh, yeah. Cool. I did not expect people to be so excited about stickers. Some people bought stuff just for the stickers. D-brands onto something. Oh, and also the stickers. There's two lots of stickers.

Lots of people buying stickers. Lots of Elijah making a good point. No. No. Incorrect. False. Fake news. Our friends call me.

That just, fake news just means it's real news, but it inconveniences me. The meaning of fake news has changed. That sounds like fake news. It's not fake news then. It's just... It's just lies. Yeah.

Shall we begin? Yeah, anytime. I can make you purple. Oh, my God. And I just take lift down. There we go. Sorry, yeah, I'm in Vagos. right now. And I just looked outside to be like, is there purple lights? Because I don't know, I'm in Vegas.

I can just open the windows more. And there's like horrifically drawn animated cats dancing on the sphere. Life is strange. Vegas moment. Yeah. I'm assuming it's a Def-Con Vegas moment. Makes sense. Anyways. Now you're purple. Oh, wow. Nice. I like it. Whoa, Kate, it's... Wait, what? He's working on it.

No, no, no, Dan's tuning it. There we go. Purple Luke. Yeah, don't overthink it. Hello, big fan of your videos. Can you show us the cats? Oh, my God. Oh, it just changed.

Okay. Wow, tease. If they come back, then yeah, I'll do it. All right, let's get through some of these. Hello, big fan of your videos. A large popular topic has always been how much V-Ram or RAM is required in current year. But what about storage?

What would that be the minimum amount of storage to have in 2025? The reason that we don't really... The reason we don't provide, like, a minimum amount of storage recommendation is that it is completely up to you, the user, to decide. Realistically, for my work laptop, I could probably get by with, like, 256 gigs. I don't store anything on it. I don't keep games on it. I don't keep media on it because all of the resources that I need to access are either in the cloud

or on a local network-attached storage device. But that answer is not going to be good for anyone who does, say, for example, local video editing on their laptop. So only you can answer the question of how much storage you need. And there's no point in me even guessing because I have absolutely no way of knowing how much anime pornography you need in your life. You watch the WAN show, so I assume a lot. That's why we have a six petabyte NAS at work. Yeah, it's for all of that.

Yeah. Man of Culture. Hello, LDL. Any upcoming games you're highly anticipating. Any old game that you want to get people to play at Whaleand? Oh! Oh, this is interesting. Carpoon launched.

Dang it. Got it. Got it. Got it. why are you like this so my bud Tom Arnold who goes by

the developer handle Tom Arnold emailed the other night letting us know that carpoon has finally launched it's a parking It's a parking violation, car chomping, harpooning, racing, chaos simulation engine.

We played it at the Whalen at LTX when it was still in very, very much in early development. And he messaged the other day to say, it's now, finally here, carpoon. you're a tow truck with a harpoon and you you collect the you know the things i actually haven't played it in quite a while these molten meteors are new so that seems like an exciting new mechanic for me to get to get to try out anyway it's finally up um there is shared and split screen pvp and co-op and i'm always a big fan of fun new couch multiplayer games and it's super affordable. It's like four US dollars. So

basically if you want to try it out the time that I've spent with it has been pretty fun but like I said it's been a while I've been waiting for it to be finished and it just came out yesterday so check it out. Carpoon on Steam. Tom used to work with me at NCIX. He did the

silly like cartoon style banner imagery for our weekly sale among many many many other things. We worked together pretty closely actually on a number of projects that I just wouldn't have been able to bring to life

without his humor and his art style. So, yeah, super cool guy. So if you guys want to check out Carpoon, now is as good a time as any. Oh, there's one user review. Look this. User review already.

Posted on the 8th of August. A pleasant solo or co-op game. Harpoon and real mechanics are gratifying. Sound effects are rich. Soundtrack is catchy and fitting of the aesthetic. At the time of launch, 100% of the game's achievement list is swift and fun to discover, which could make

for a speedbund challenge. The animations and circumstances these vehicles go through to be destroyed are delightfully hilarious. Could make for an all-ages impromptu local remote experience within a competitive environment or as an icebreaker. There you go. Thanks, cloud and collected.

All right. Up next. Hey, DLO. What is the most flagrant example of corruption you've seen in Vancouver? In Montreal, a developer offered me $10,000 cash to get help circulating a pro-development petition with elections upcoming. Oh, man, I don't know. There's so much.

Also Vancouver's money laundering, so it's going to be hard to see. There's a lot of, yeah. A former employee here, I remember them telling me that a former provincial-level politician used to walk into the shop that his mom worked at, and very regularly, buy copious amounts of designer goods in cash very regularly I think that's about as brazen and out in the open as corruption can be

because why on earth would you have that kind of cash? Hey, DLO. What are your thoughts on wealth flexing YouTubers and their influence on kids? Do you worry kids will have an unrealistic expectation about money and how hard it is to get certain things. I got to be honest with you. I sometimes worry about like wealthy influencers own kids having unrealistic expectations about money and how hard it is to get certain things. We regularly will talk to our kids about how

like mom and dad ran a successful company. You aren't necessarily getting everything that we acquired as an inheritance, you need to have realistic expectations or you need to be ready to absolutely work your heinie off if you want to, if you want to achieve, you know, the kind of success that you might want to achieve. I don't let my kids watch like flexi YouTubers. They're not on TikTok. They're not on Instagram. They're not on Facebook. And I do worry a lot that not just this generation I think our generation got kind of

fucked up too to be perfectly blunt with you I mean like I remember the first time somebody pointed out to me that none of the friends have jobs that could possibly sustain the gigantic apartments

they live in in New York and I was like oh yeah I guess that wouldn't make for like very good TV though little did they know that Bob's burgers could be a thing a family about a a show about a scrappy family

that doesn't have a lot of money just making things work. Yeah, I mean... I think Chandler was the only one, though, right? Chandler was weird because I think he was in like a Microsoft ad at one point in time. No, that was just as an actor.

Was there a Friends Microsoft ad? No, no, no. I think there was a Friends-based Microsoft ad. Well, Jennifer Aniston and Matthew Perry were in an ad, I think. No, like, I think it was friends-based. I think it means, like, in the show. Oh, maybe. Yeah, maybe.

So, like, that could kind of make sense. But, like, just because you work in TV doesn't mean you're rich. Like, the King of the Hill reboot, the actor who played John Redcorn, the father of Bobby Hill's best friend, like, the biological father. he was he was recently um tragically murdered actually which um is a real downer so he actually is in the reboot but he won't live to see it air which is super sad um anyway i was i was reading about it because i saw the reboot was happening and then i saw that he passed and then i was looking around the circumstances he was like living in poverty so just because you're like a you know a tv actor or a voice actor or whatever like it's you read tons of stories of

about people who even had, like, regular parts on major shows. Like, what was it? The comic book store owner in Big Bang Theory? Like, had to have a day job, like, very deep into the show's run or something like that. Don't quote me on that one. That's exactly why my aunt started Powell to support, like, artists who were probably both very famous and also very poor. Yeah, Porto says part of Joey's plot was that he didn't have. any money um and then yeah the the economics of seinfeld are super don't make any sense either like

jerry i think as he becomes a very successful comedian in the show he becomes successful later on i think right but like everyone else what did they like what did they even do how did they have it how did kramer have money um the law set says people confuse fame with wealth yeah 100% i got to show you that so i looked up the thing that i was talking about talking about and I was I was wrong it was a Windows 95 video guide featuring Jennifer Aniston and Matthew Perry yeah oh okay so it was what I said then yeah okay then I want to show you this I'm gonna send it to Dan so you can put it up on screen sure look at this actually insane ad that I just got on YouTube uh oh I screenshot the whole thing

but it's the one on the right above the TED Talk with Linus Torvalds. The one on the right. Let me know when you can see it. Kling AI. Unlocking AI's infinite possibilities. So we have... Look at what they're suggesting. Two people, and so we want to ship them.

But, like, think about how that would be reversed. Why? Why do we need to do this? This is saying, like, you have a picture of yourself. and you have a picture of like some girl or some boy or whatever. Yep. And you can turn that into a video of them making out. Yeah. This generation is like screwed.

Because think about being in high school. Like do you remember when we were in high school, how quickly like this, this guy made out with this girl would spread like wildfire without a video? Yeah. Yeah. it's also just like you know you know this is going to happen to celebrities oh yeah there'll be weird fanfic stuff yep or fan fan video thick like that is a that and that ad is being served by YouTube can we not speaking of YouTube speaking of YouTube Hold on, no, I'm not done yet.

Okay, we will dwell. No, I do. I, yes. Whether it's real or not real, and the blurred lines that are now existing between like the real influencer lifestyles and the fake ones, or rather it's becoming easier to blur those lines.

Like, think about the super famous examples of this, like Ty Lopez, right? With his garage full of knowledge, right? Yeah. how much easier it's going to be to be a Jones that other people are going to aspire to keep up with and that other people are going to compare themselves to and look at their own lives and try to figure out, you know, why it is that they're not able to live that lifestyle. I mean, the reality of it is that very few people drive a Lamborghini.

Like, I don't remember the last time I saw one on the road because I don't live in, like, Dubai. Like, can you remember the last time you saw Lambo on the road in Langley? I don't. It happens, but it also feels like they're like passing through or honestly, if I see one in Langley I assume you rented it. But like so much of what you see exactly is like rented

or borrowed or I mean, now AI generated, like I just yeah, I worry that just like our generation was set up for disappointment. I worry the next generation is going to be set up for even more disappointment. And I had some people in... Oh, go ahead. Not just in lifestyle, but also in like with the lifestyle you can afford, but also the lifestyle you will have socially because of the interactions you'll have with AI are not going to line up with the interactions you have with people. Yeah. I had some people

chatting with, chatting in the in the chat about like chatting in the chat. Imagine them doing I had some people in the chat talking about, like, you know, how am I contributing to this? And I got to be honest with you guys. I don't think that my lifestyle is super, like, realistic at this point. I don't know what you want me to do about it, though, because either I don't talk about it at all, which I don't think you guys want me to, like, not talk about my tech projects anymore. I don't think so or like I fake it

like I don't yeah I don't know I don't know what to tell you like one of the one of the things I want to do soon is set up the theater room for better voice comms for mixed in-person couch and remote couch gaming I don't think that's a relatable problem

but we're going to end up using some fun tools that people could have their own uses for it's going to be a really cool payoff where we can have like 10 gamers some of which are in person and some of which are remoted in all participating in like couch gaming together like it's it's it's going to be cool but like yeah no it's not it's not relatable at all yeah sorry one second I'm having a problem on my end okay

that explains it just keep doing your stupid house tours yeah yeah so yeah Hathos I guess maybe that's the balance

is not showing off luxury for the sake of it I mean one of the one of the big things for me that I think is so cool about technology is that the 115 inch TV that you know I'm unboxing today give it five years maybe 10 years maybe it'll be a long time but give it some period of time and that will make its way eventually if the trajectories continue to hold at least you know kind of it will be attainable right that's something that I think is really cool. It's just been hard to watch it be less true. Like it used to be that I could make a video

about a cutting edge GPU and like in a few years you know any just about anyone could get their hands on one second hand or whatever. Or the new generation, you know, mainstream would be on par with the old top of the line one. Just, uh oh

are we dead? Checking. Wrong button, Luke, they said. There was a Cloudflare blip earlier, but it was a long time ago. It's apparently going in and out. All right, sick. Back new F. Okay.

Let's do our next merch message. Sure thing. Good evening, gentlemen. Luke, have you seen Paco the Parrot on YouTube? I believe this is the one that likes the LTT screwdriver? Is that right? Or is that a different parrot? There's many parrots that like our screwdriver?

No, there's just many parrots on YouTube. Nope, I think it's a different... Oh, wait. No, I can't find the one that... That likes the LTT screwdriver. Oh, crap. Uh-oh. the PC, hold on.

Is it, which one's that? Okay, I swear. I swear there's like... I don't think this is the one. There's a famous parrot. Okay, I'm not imagining this. Where is it? No, you're not.

I don't remember the name of that one. There's a famous parrot that like used our screwdriver or something. Apollo. That's right, it's Apollo. Okay, no, I don't know Paco the parrot. I know Apollo.

Okay, do you know Paco the parrot? Is it okay If there is Paco a good parrot Has probably found it and shared it with me at some time Okay is Paco a quality parrot Like I believe if we're talking about the same Paco

Paco was a Was a rescue or is Yeah A rescue and like beat correction And medical Stuff thing which is cool Oh yeah wow look at this Look at this beak boys

whoopsie doodles Okay guys Stop just posting like Okay Why did you curate this Dan Which one? The next one? No, the parrot one

Because it was a question for Luke Oh, okay Should I not do that? No, no, you do whatever Oh, I'm sorry Hi, LL&D Back End of the Hacksmith EDC-N-

knife and wondered how it feels to have your bits be considered in their design. Are you aware of other products that have considered LTT in their design? I'm not aware of any others, but I'm also not aware of too many other creators that we vibe with as tight as James over at the Hacksmith. Super cool guy, and this looks like an absolutely incredible product. He's been in my DMs throughout the development of this thing, showing me, some of the absolutely incredible work that they've done. I think it just went live on Kickstarter like a few days ago or something like that.

This is a great time. If there was someone who's Kickstarter, I would be willing to promote. It would be Hacksmith. They will absolutely deliver this if their history is anything to go by. And it looks freaking incredible. Just built. absolutely built why why Kickstarter I don't know I legitimately don't know I think I think Kickstarter does offer 100% deals to um maybe not 100% but they offer extremely high revenue share deals

from my understanding I this is all hearsay I have had no dealings with Kickstarter whatsoever James hasn't talked to me about why Kickstarter at all I was going to ask him I haven't yet I don't know anything. I'm coming from a place of complete ignorance. Luke also doesn't know. I have no idea. So my understanding is that for marketing for Kickstarter the platform, they will offer better revenue shares to products that can get the word out more about Kickstarter, where there's a mutual marketing benefit for the platform itself. And then they also, Kickstarter is a powerful tool we've never used it but there have been times that I've been tempted just to just in many cases to figure out like what the market is for a product so you just like don't bother making it if not enough

people if not enough people back it and then you just refund the money and you're like okay well I'm glad we found that out before we invested in a bunch of molds and tooling right so I would guess just that they're helping amplify it and he's and they're getting some benefit from the association with tax myth and um I It wouldn't be for me to share, but I think he's doing pretty good on the project so far. Well, I mean, you can see on Kickstarter that it's raised $4.5 million. Oh, yeah, there. Okay, it's public then. Cool. Yep. Yeah. So I think he's doing pretty good. Yeah, he's doing okay. Yeah, I guess I'm in America right now, so mine's showing USD.

Yep. And look at it go. So, yeah. That makes sense why the pledge goal is so weird. The pledged goal was 181. $1,957. And I was like, what the heck? And it's because Hacksmith's Canadian. You better believe it, buddy. I'm not your buddy, friend. I honestly, this might be a weird take.

I don't know. I am interested in this. I would wait for it to not be on Kickstarter anymore. And like for myself, because I might look into getting one of these. I would wait for it to not be, I'm going to wait for it to not be on Kickstarter anymore. more and my reason for it is just because I don't want to deal with the like like one of my problems with Kickstarter forever is you have to interact on Kickstarter to get your thing right um so like I'm going to have to come back to Kickstarter at some point to get it and I might just like not do

that you can just tell us you're traumatized by the coal bar like you could just say that I am You could just say that. It doesn't update it. You don't have to say so many words. You could just say because I'm traumatized from the coal bar. I will go look here. I'm going to go look one last time. Oh, no.

There's no way. There's no way there's an update, sir. There's absolutely no way. I agree, but I'm going to go just for the people because they ask me all the time. And it's been well over a year. I think it's been a long time. so this is this is the this is the last one if there's no update we're never looking again um all right we're logging in oh my god okay dan do you want to do merch message in the

meantime then sure sending this oh no like i'm logged in now oh okay all right because i did um okay i got to scroll and find it successful projects. Okay, here it is. Coalbar Hammer, updates. 2022. Yeah. Never happened.

Sorry, buddy. Okay, Dan, hit me. Sending this from a plane. Love the WAN backpack. More than worth its price. Nice. When designing the backpack, what made you go with the internal bottle holder?

I was skeptical at first, but it works great. I had lost water bottles before. having an external holder basically i i i used my backpack for travel a lot and wanted to continue to use it for travel and as you probably noticed if you really stuff it the the ogy backpack is exactly the size that'll like fit under the chair in front of you on most flights although things have gotten smaller since we released it um and i wanted some flights it doesn't work for yeah there's a handful of like small regional airlines that have planes seats that are so low profile that it's hard

to get it under um wow and so i wanted something that was self-contained and nothing could fall out of and everything zipped up and could be stuffed under somewhere and nothing would fall out down there and then you have to like bend down under the seat and try and dig stuff out um that was the original that was the original goal and then also if you like didn't want to use that it would just kind of tuck out of the way and you could just stuff it full of stuff um we got so much feedback that people liked exterior water bottle holders that we did do an exterior bottle holder on the commuter but that's again you know a product that has a very different intent it's more of like a like a day-to-day commuter it's not for like tucking into places and and not wanting to worry

about things falling out of it where in the world did you get this many e-waste CPUs any other recycled products that you can tease we actually have to buy them which is I mean you know we're People use them to recover the minerals, right? So that's part of why it's so expensive. The good news, though, is none of this prevents anybody in the future from harvesting the gold from it. We're just temporarily turning it from garbage into a toy for a while. You know, that's the most we can really do, you know? I think that's the goal for all of us.

Pankrats. Turning it into a toy. toy get it yeah thanks bankrats love all you guys at linus how do you go about teaching other parents about online safety and parental controls i don't dude i ain't nobody got time for that have you ever tried to okay okay first of all first of all okay first of all okay first of all have you ever met another parent who wants to be told how to parent for advice. Have you ever met anyone who really wanted to hear it?

All right. Mr. Tech Tips, you mentioned you bought five pairs of badminton shoes since they're all essentially consumables. Do you wear them evenly or do you use one until it's worn out before using a new pair? Yes. I've tried it both ways. I think I like the I generally have two active ones

is what I've kind of settled on. So that gives me, um, that allows me to take two pairs of shoes to like a tournament because nothing destroys your feet faster than just being in like soggy shoes all day so it gives me one to change into but if I have too many active ones

then then basically I have them out in the open turning the souls hard like with UV exposure more than I have to so I should only have like two active at a time is what I've settled on hi LLD I got a Zenbo duo for university after your first look video. It's great. My question, did anyone actually daily drive the 2024 model and why is there no full review for the 2024 or 2025 versions?

It's a good question. I mean, I think part of it is that it's so, oh, there's such iterative progress in the laptop space that the excitement level around a 2025 model, If anyone even knows what it is, like a Zenbook duo, that's the, that's the dual screen one, if I recall correctly. Like, it's, Asuse's product lineup is so wide that you have no hope of covering all of them. And then the refreshes are so many and so confusingly named that it's hard to, it's hard to know what to cover and it's hard for people to know what they even feel like clicking on. That's where I think something like the labs is realistically the right answer. where just every new laptop that comes out it rolls into the lab we like run the whole suite of testing on it and then we can figure out without having to just like guess which ones are

actually worth making a video about that's that's the overall vision for how the labs will work in the long term it's going to take a long time though look as in if i don't use my muscles and stay active i get sad person as well i find it hard to find time to relax and rest I know you also like the grind. What helps you relax and feel better? Grinding hard. Hard grinder. There, I answered it for him.

He's something of a grinder enthusiast. Note that earlier, I said that I'm not gay. I didn't say anything about Luke. You never said the chicken only worked on women. Are things that are very not recommended to do to relax. Like the games that I tend to like playing are like Carcobbin. and stuff, which is just like... That's not relaxing.

That's like actually enragetifying. Yeah, which is the things that I tend to do. I don't have good advice here. Sorry. I wish I did. I should probably work on that. It's like almost certainly a flaw. Stress management is don't.

What? Yeah, let's not take advice from Luke. No. I'm kind of... That's where I'm going. That's where I'm going with this. Maybe the wrong person asked for advice here. I appreciate that you asked and thought that I would have good advice here.

But yeah, I tend to just like pile on more. It's probably bad. I probably have cortisol issues. It might be why I can't sleep properly. But, you know, we'll get there. We'll figure it out. One thing at a time. Yeah, I know.

I saw episode one of the new season. I haven't seen the second yet, though. I'm very excited about it, though. Because if there's anyone who deserves to be lampooned, it's someone who puts down dogs for no reason. people who are mean to dogs How is that How that became controversial at all is wild to me

Wait, that became controversial? Apparently, depends if you ask Hmm M. Doss says That's my secret I'm always stressed Yeah, pretty much It's an Avengers reference

I don't know if you watch that one Did you watch that one? at that far. Everyone knows that reference. I have not watched that. Elijah doesn't. Elijah doesn't know any references. He actually does know more now. I feel like he plays it up. I hope he plays it up. I hope he plays it up.

All right, what's next? Hey, L. Dan Sandwich. Linus, working nights, so I didn't see you, but I saw Dad Old's go-kart selfie. Did you intend to make the meme face, or did you just have resting meme face? I just had resting meme face. I went to the go-carts at West Edmonton Mall and apparently someone saw me on the leaderboard there.

Not high on it. It's just to be very clear. We raced at junior speeds because I was in the dual cart with one of my kids. Not that I would have been on the leaderboard even in a single cart. I want to make that clear as well. But I was like especially not fast because I was going at half maximum speed. Fun, fun track. Um, even at half speed, it was, it was, it was really fun.

Um, it was dual level, right? Yeah. But no, the meme face is just what I look like, unfortunately. Oh, I have a flex too. Jake and I came fourth and fifth at the open sauce, um, sim racing leaderboard. Oh, that's pretty sick. Which was kind of insane. Uh, it was like a tenth slower than him.

I meant, it meant quick. Class of 2004 here, finishing my degree. Linus, did you ever consider finishing your degree or getting a two or four year? Would you encourage your kids? Sorry? Class of 2004. Class of 2004 finishing degree? Yeah.

No, no. Class of 2004, so same age as me, just now finishing their degree. Like they went back. Anyway, sorry. Carry on, Dan, before you were so rudely interrupted. No, that's okay. I'm used to it from you. Getting a two to four year education, would you encourage you? your kids to pursue education or work experience after high school. I would.

You've taught Luke well, by the way. I would encourage them to pursue education or work experience after high school. I don't think school was the right place for me. I thrive in the... I actually, I didn't just survive. I thrived in the more guided high school experience, the more handholdy education experience. I did not do well in the, like, bigger university self-guided experience. I have a really hard time motivating myself to learn stuff that I don't already care about,

which is a real challenge for me. See, with computers, it's easy because I already care about it. So that's why it was easy to just like learn stuff and make videos of about it and then I learned to care about making videos I guess so I don't know I absorb some stuff that I don't really care about but I but then I start to care about it and then I learn more of it I don't know I don't necessarily think that for my career I would benefit that much from going back for a degree but I could see myself doing something like ever since we brought up the honestly not even okay so I was about to say ever since we

found those kit planes remember that those uh that was a few wands shows ago we discovered that you can like you can like buy the parts of an airplane and assemble it yourself but even before that like when we were talking about that gamer jet i was like man how cool would it be to get like a like a again this is all relatively speaking no one should necessarily look at my lifestyle and think oh well that's you know normal um but a relatively affordable jet how cool would it be to like learn to fly it like if i if i was if i was down to do pilot training would you do it because i think we've talked about this before jet level pilot training is really expensive well you have to do you have to do regular pilot training before you do any jet level pilot training regular pilot training i would

be interested in it's very it's very cool that'd be super cool interesting yeah i'm i'm definitely i'm definitely open to the idea yeah i think i wanted to do that like since i think we probably first talked about that like 2012 yeah that's been something i've been interested in for in like forever yeah so like i don't know like i think i'd be more likely to do a really cool certification like get like a dive master certification yeah or get like a pilot certification or get like i think i'd be i'd want to like certify to do cool stuff rather than rather than go back to academia i think that makes a lot more sense. Like for me, and not for everybody. Like, I don't think my advice to all of my kids would be the same even. I think, because not everybody's the same. For some of them, I think that, I think

that academics makes a ton of sense. And for others, I think they should pursue other endeavors. And I'm not going to get into anything specific because that's a little personal in terms of like the information about my various children. I don't mind talking about like collectively them, but I don't like to get into the individual specifics but yeah no I don't think I would say the same thing to any of my three I mean that's what I suspect that's probably true for most just groups of people in general I don't know it seems to be especially I don't think that's too weird to say the preschool teacher who is the one teacher who had all three of them the first thing she said to me when I picked up my youngest after her like second or third day or something like that and remember

this is someone who literally interacts with small children for a living she kind of hands her off to me and she goes, boy, you sure got a variety pack, didn't you? We really did. Up next? Yeah. Linus, did you like working and growing up on a hobby farm?

What would you think if you had to work on it as an adult? Well, it was a hobby farm, so I didn't really, like, work on a farm. Like, I did farm-like work quite often, you know, scooping horse poop and, and, you know, filling pot holes on the gravel driveway and, you know, getting eggs and washing eggs. And, like, I did a lot of, like, farming-type stuff, but I didn't, like, you know, rise at the crackadon and work the fields and stuff. it's tough I feel like my kids are missing out in a big way by me not

providing that that upbringing for them but I really really really really really really don't want to do it anymore as an adult I don't actually like just like I don't even want a dog

at this point like the amount of your life that is dictated by the schedule of animal care is not something that is really compatible with running a 100 plus person company unless you are hiring people to care for said animals in which case that's not a hobby farm anymore that's now a commercial farm

and you're basically asking me why I don't just pull a Jeremy Clarkson which who knows I might someday but it is not this day Linus with how much the Samsung fold is improved with the fold seven Okay hold on a second Okay yes I have a lot of cats But cats are not a ton of work I don't think you have enough cats

Exactly like cats are fine As long as the cats are all getting along And as long as they all just like Are able to handle the concept of just leaving food and water out And they just eat when they're hungry and drink when they're thirsty Like dude we have litter robots we went away for four days almost and they were fine

we came home and they greeted us at the door and they had each other for company while we were gone cats are so easy so easy okay sorry carry on with how much the Samsung fold has improved with the fold seven compared to the one you drowned years ago and pixel fold being really good as well do you see yourself daily driving a foldable again

yes fold seven is going to be my next phone after I do grapheneOS, or I might actually skip right to the fold because people keep bringing it up today, and I'm genuinely very excited to use it, and then do graphene OS after. Where is the farthest you've traveled for a tech product, either to buy or to view,

and what was said product? Farthest I've traveled to view. I went to, this isn't necessarily further, but it's a more difficult, trip. I went to China for a Microsoft Surface launch way back in the day, 2017, I think. You know what? I think China's probably the farthest I've ever gone to. Ooh, maybe not. I mean, that Renault thing that I did in Paris. What's farther from here? Shenzhen or Paris? Dan, do you know? Mapping.

if that's the case if Germany's farther then it would be Germany to see Cherry yeah yeah I think does it count if it's professionally though or would it have to be personally for this question

like to buy something they said buy or view who would go to who would travel to view a product that they're not buying I'm gonna I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with buy and the farthest I'm ever went to buy something was to

Taiwan to buy the gold GPU. The thing that I laid out in the video was the truth. I couldn't get it sent here. It had to be transferred from like the Middle Eastern region to like through HQ

and I was able to buy it through like an intermediary basically. So that was the farthest I ever went to buy something and then I ended up giving it away. Which I had genuinely did not intend to do it was james who uh it wasn't that he twisted my arm it was that he pitched me a content idea i couldn't resist and i was like ah fuck now i have to do it because i was going to just

keep it and i was going to build like a sick like black and gold uh with because we have a bunch of gold fittings kicking around like i was going to like redo my machine and like all black and gold with the astral GPU and then the stupidest part was that i was going to have to remove the gold cooler in order to water cool it. So I was going to get a block and then I was going to like gold plate it or something. Like it was going to be a whole thing. But I'm really, I'm really happy with how, um, how that video turned out and really happy with the, uh, the person who happened to come across us and win it this year. So I'm glad we did it. That's all I got. What's farther, Dan? It's about 6,500 miles to Shenzhen and about 5,000 to Paris. Okay. So then the answer is China for

both of us than Luke. So the farthest I went to look at something as probably Shenzhen's a little further than Taipei, right? I think it's a little further. I legitimately, this title is 100% true. I flew all the way to China

just so I could try this. All right. And I saw Robot Yao Ming. that apparently is actual size but he cheated he's on a thing yeah yeah so this was to see the og badminton robot i am not going to let you see the sphere before we go uh some people pointed out a very obvious and good point that i would have normally caught but definitely didn't which is that if i show you the sphere you can figure where i am there are 24-7 live streams of the sphere and if you go back to that point in the wancho you could see the cats that i was

talking about so there you go it ended up not being as impressive as I'd hoped the sphere no the badminton robot that I'm showing the audience was it like not good uh it's not that it's not good it's just that I don't know I just I thought it would be better like I to make it look as good as it did in the other videos they had to really like try whereas like I tried to push it a little bit and it crumbled Immediately failed Yep Yeah let's wrap it up boys

Oh do you gotta go Okay See you again next week Same bad time Same bad time I needed to for hours Okay bye All right bye Luke

Have a good weekend Thank you you too Thank you too Thank you.