The WAN Show - I’ve Been Silenced - WAN Show September 6, 2024

Episode Date: September 7, 2024

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You'll flip for $4 pancakes at A&W. Wake up to a stack of three light and fluffy pancakes topped with syrup. Only $4 on now. Dine in only until 11 a.m. at A&W's in Ontario. What's up everybody? Welcome, welcome, one and all. All of you, even you, to the WAN show. Well, I've never welcomed you to the WAN Show before. If you think about it. You probably have on the first episode. Oh, maybe. It might not have been called WAN Show at that point though.

That's true. So I'm saying this is it. For the first time, Luke, welcome to the WAN Show. Thanks, bro. We've got a great show lined up for you today. We never actually talked about this last week, but a well-known activist in the video game accessibility space doesn't appear to be real, allegedly. We're also going to be talking about what exactly happened this week when one of our videos got un-YouTubed. We'll talk a little bit about that, but there's going to be some more detail

in a full video that's coming tomorrow. What else we got today? Uh, maybe our phones really are actually listening. Even though we've been gaslit that they haven't been this whole time. Yeah. Intriguing. I never believed it. Hmm, yes. Also, Concord, uh, sucked, I guess. It's offline, completely. I mean, yeah, I was about to say-

So many took it down. I was about to say, I mean, I wouldn't was I was about to say I was about to say I mean I I wouldn't know I didn't try it but neither neither did any of you and now you can't The show is brought to you today by LG Squarespace, One Password, our chair partner Secret Lab, and our laptop partner LG... Dan, hold on a second. Before we get into this, how can a show be sponsored by LG twice? What oh Let's jump right into our first yeah, that doesn't make any sense wait no, I think it is though

It is I know you to YouTube Unalived one of our videos this week the popular series that we just started so I'm Maybe taking some artistic liberties when I call it a popular series, but our series D. Google your life had a part two that was uploaded a little over two weeks ago and Sat there on YouTube for two weeks until earlier this week I received a notification that it had been removed for violating YouTube's community guidelines. Specifically, it was flagged as potentially harmful or dangerous content, which we'll

get into this in a little bit more detail. Doesn't necessarily mean that it included instructions on bomb building or anything sort of overtly dangerous like that but more necessarily mean it didn't include bomb it is possible it included that did you ever play it backwards like those records from the 70s with the devil lyrics did you that's fair no I did well now you can't because it's not on YouTube at least on flow plane at least it's not on our YouTube channel, where it is definitely is on Flowplain. And other people's YouTube channels.

And other people's YouTube channels. So what we discovered is that that category of violation is just extremely broad and they did provide a little bit more detail in terms of what was exactly Against the YouTube community guidelines in in a follow in or will not a follow-up but in like an additional message I can answer a couple of your main questions right now one is if you want to watch this video Where can you go and the only official source of it is? LMG GG slash floatane where it will be Forever because it doesn't violate Float Plane's terms of service what so there you have it de-goo your life part two

Where we talk about? I'm actually not going to show the exact things we talk about because I really don't need this episode of the WAN show pulled down. Yeah! Thanks, YouTube. Yeah! Thanks. Cool. Anyway, there are other places where you can find it, but guys, this is yet another example of the importance for creators of

diversifying their revenue sources, and this is something that I've been talking about since day zero Yeah, both internally here at Linus Media Group and externally when I did really unpopular things in the past Do you remember the kind of? Long chat we had to have with the audience the first time we did a baked-in Sponsor spot into our video. Oh, dude, that was controversial Extremely so. back when we did it. I think we were promoting an Intel, like, snowboard giveaway or something like that.

That was either the first one. Oh yeah, that was super weird. Or a very early one, and Ed did this, like, weird little, like, graphic that he created for it and stuff, and that was a big deal back then. It was like, you money grubbers, get a real job! Like, the way the discourse around that kind of thing has changed in the last 11, 12 years.

Now when people don't have those, people are like, what are you doing? Yeah, get that bag queen. Get the bag, yeah. You know, like, it's totally changed now. And so, you know, whether it is procuring your own sponsors or whether it's starting a merch store, or whether it is providing video downloading

and streaming services directly to your viewers via an alternative platform like Patreon or Nebula or Flowplain, we have strongly encouraged creators since day zero to look for ways to diversify their income streams and this just is such a strisand effecty way of Google ultimately making our point for us in a way that I could never make so powerfully. I do prefer it over them effectively like shadow banning the video.

Cause that wouldn't have Streisand affected it. Yeah, I guess that's true. And thank you for bringing that up. Now, if anyone from YouTube watches this, I'm sure there'll be some internal conversations about, you know, taking that approach instead. Good job. Yeah. I mean, in general, that general, it's true what he says.

Shadow banning the offensive behavior is absolutely the lowest impact way of at least lowering its impact. We've seen YouTube do that before with channels. So we know that's the thing that they do. You can find the channel, you can technically find the videos But it's really hard you almost need direct links to them. They'll like never be recommended to you under any circumstance

Yeah, but as it was the way that they did it was Not great it ended up with I think Rossman made a video about it that has half a million views now His video I think front page Reddit, like r slash all, it has 30,000 up votes just discussing Google pulling this video down. There are reuploads of it that I'm not gonna link to because I don't... That's a question that I've seen from the audience a bunch. I'm not interested in going to battle with YouTube over this. It's not- Totally. Are you planning on doing anything on the LMG side

about the other people uploading the videos? This is not me asking the question. I've seen this asked from a bunch of other people, just to be clear for the audience. Do what? Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. All right, yeah, sounds-

I think that's- What videos? That's crystal clear to me. Sounds good. What is? Yeah, nothing, I mean, air. Yeah. Yeah. It's clear clear to me. Sounds good. What is? Yeah, I mean, air. Yeah. It's clear as a crystal. Crystal air.

I highly recommend it. It's delicious. It sounds like if crystal light got into flavored air. Isn't that just asbestos? Sorry. This is... I assumed it was a Pepsi product. I assumed it's one of those weird booths you find

in Las Vegas when they're trying to sell you like flavored air. You had banana flavored asbestos? Yeah. Yum. Yum. So, and, and, you know, like I said, I'm not going to say too much about it because our full kind of breakdown is going to be uploaded hopefully tomorrow. I might even get the call during this WAN show

to have a look at the edit and make sure that it's good to upload. Oh, we're releasing a video like talking about what happened. Literally, we kind of pivoted this morning and we went, okay, at this point, it has officially strized and affected and not because we did anything. Yeah, to be honest, we didn't do anything, really. The first thing that I said to our Google contact,

who, by the way, is great, and I'm not going to say anything that she said or didn't say about any of it, because nothing she said is problematic in any way from my point of view. Effectively, all she did was kind of go, okay, here's the resources that you guys need, and's just kind of pointed us at the places in the dashboard. She did everything totally great. I actually love our YouTube contacts. She's amazing. But the

first thing I said to her was this is such a completely unnecessary like escalation of this when if you guys had a problem, you literally have my cell phone number, you could have said, hey, this is a problem. And to be clear, I'm not even saying I should get special treatment in this case. I'm just saying that as a very large channel, regardless of how they feel about me or my channel,

doing this without talking to us and without even attempting to rectify the situation, to tell us what's wrong. Not that you necessarily would have changed it anyways. Not that we necessarily would have changed it anyway. They would have appreciated some form of heads up at the very least. I didn't even say that. I'm just making, cause it sounds-

No, no, no, I want to make it clear. I was not asking for a heads up. Oh. What I was saying was, strategically, this just seems like a pretty dumb move. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was the first thing I,

that was the first thing I said about it. And I'm not going to say what she did or didn't say in response to that, because I'm not looking to get her in trouble. She's amazing. Sure, yep. But I was just like, with every factor considered, and I'm not saying I would have done anything differently or that I wouldn't have just left it up or

that I wouldn't have just said f*** you or whatever, right? Because I'm not even going there. All I'm saying is this seems like the highest impact possible way that you guys could have approached this. Oh yeah, definitely. And it's one of those things where I feel like sometimes it just comes down to engineers making decisions rather than, you know, like people whose specialty is sort of human relations and human interactions and human behavior, you know? You know, people who see things in terms of numbers and in terms of policy. And you know what?

I gotta own my part of the blame here, right? Like I did put them in a challenging position by uploading a video that violated TOS. It's that simple. Did it violate TOS? We get into, we get into... Yes. Okay. Whether or not that should be the TOS,

we're gonna leave that to people's judgment. Got it. But in the video we do lay out how we did in fact violate TOS. So I'm not even, I'm not complaining. I'm not gonna sit here and throw a little hissy fit and re-upload my video and then get a strike and then complain about that and turn this into like a drama snowball. That's absolutely not going to happen. But what I will say is I think they went about this in the supremely wrongest possible way. And what I would like to see is I'd like to see them approach these things in the future, more like they

handle things like copyright, where the video doesn't get ripped down. Back and forth. Yeah, they they, they, the owner flags it. And to be clear, the way they handle copyright is not perfect. I'm just saying there are some things that we can learn from YouTube's existing systems about how we could do this better. So you get a notification.

In the meantime, any AdSense earned by the videos goes into escrow. And then once the claim is dispute is resolved, that funds that is an escrow either goes to the copyright claimant or it goes to the uploader who had their video claimed against. And so that was how it worked for a long time. And then now, it's actually a little bit better. You can use AI to remove infringing music, for example, so that you can maintain your AdSense without actually reallocating all of it

to the owner of the song you used for 40 seconds of a you know one-hour video or whatever the case may be. So there's there's also the opportunity to trim out the infringing part. So we've done that on WAN Show before where we've shown like a movie trailer or something like that which I actually maintain is fair use. I'm not I'm not willing to go to court to defend it, but I strongly believe that watching a movie trailer on a podcast or on a stream, it's an advertisement! When you look at the impact, like there's the four pillars, right? And in that case, I think the main pillar that matters is the one where it's the, here we go, the effect of the use on the potential market for or value of the work.

Yeah, if anything. You would be crazy, utterly deranged, unhinged to like willfully like make a human decision and go Those guys are showing my commercial How dare they? These people didn't pay to access my commercial and rip it down right like that's just that's just crazy and People people are saying apparently this is totally a thing And people are saying apparently this is totally a thing. Cam Fam Bam in floatplane chat says,

Warner apparently went after Mumbo. I don't know who that is. But for the Minecraft trailer video. Now, in that case, that's a little bit different because if you're just playing the trailer, especially if you're being positive about it, then the impact on the market of the work, on the potential market for the work,

is very positive. If you are showing the trailer in its entirety and then just like crapping on it for 25 minutes, that particular pillar weakens a lot, right? But there's four pillars. So I think when it comes to things like marketing collateral, I still think there's very, very strong arguments to be made for the fair use repurposing of commercials and advertising imagery and stuff like that. What was I even talking about now? I forget. I don't know.

I'm looking at the Minecraft trailer now. No, well, have you watched it yet? No? No don't watch What did you expect that was gonna do? It's one of the topics of the- oh I was hitting the spacebar. I was gonna- I was pausing it I'm pretty sure you hit the trackpad. Well, I'm pretty sure that you hit the trackpad. Okay when I closed it, yeah Anyway the point is that... So you're talking about how we often have to trim out trailers and then we're gonna watch a trailer on the show? Oh yeah right right right right right hey thank you that was actually really helpful. No problem.

So yeah one of the other mechanisms is offering the ability to trim out the offending section so that the copyright holders claim can be removed but that was not given as an option. Instead, the entire video was pulled out, even though as far as we can tell, there were only small parts of it that were in violation of the TOS. So I would like to see in the longer term,

I'd like to see YouTube re-evaluate this system in a way that you don't have to be a major YouTuber in order, with a contact at YouTube, in order to resolve something like this in a way that isn't just the video gets pulled down. The trick there, though, is building a system that doesn't enable bad actors. So if you're the kind of person

who is uploading harmful content, let's say you are recruiting to a terrorist organization or something like that, if they provide clear clear exact timestamps for what exactly was infringing, then you are enabling those bad actors to trim just that little bit and re-upload it and happily go along their merry way.

Yes, yes, everything we're doing is fine because we used this particular euphemism and left out that exact word, right? So it's a balancing act, but I would like to see them do better. And I think other than that that we can pretty much move on Subscribe to float plane. Yeah. Oh hilarious. Apparently no There are actually two official ways to watch that video that support Linus Media Group. Oh on float plane comm

Yes, or Hold on I'm gonna find it Hold on I'm gonna find it Someone called it that's actually really surprising. Oh bollocks. I'm really musky good job. Oh Well, whatever I'm not I'm not logged in but Can you not watch videos unless you're logged in? I have no idea Sure, whatever. What is it? Do you have to log in to Billy Billy to watch a video now? You didn't used to. Yeah, I know. Crazy. Okay, well anyway, yeah, our official Billy Billy

channel apparently has it with Chinese subtitles, so you can watch it there if you really want All right What do you want to talk about next? That's that's the big drama topic this week I've got something that's not on the dock. Oh sure yeah hit me. Why don't you why don't you? Actually, no, I'll just do it look at this okay Hey, LTT labs labs calm what exactly is it that you want to talk about you notice something from the lab what is the right oh there's a there's a feed on the right these are blogs oh cool so we have mixed content now so we have products on the left and articles on the

right very cool looks a little bit different you still got the color coding for the different articles and and your little compare buttons which look all nice and neat and all that kind of stuff. But we're trying to highlight some of the blogs and articles a little bit more. So I don't know, check out the website. That's all I really have to say. I think it looks better. Very cool.

More content there. Just having these, the products kind of gridded out made it, I don't know how to describe it properly, but I think having more stuff here is good. And having the articles listed here as well I think is interesting because while you might be interested in individual products that are on the left I think it's more likely that the articles will hit a broader range of people So yeah sure as the end says I like that there's more above the fold. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100% good I think it would be good. Very cool. Good job. All right team

What do you want to talk about next? How? Should we do the thing we missed last week? Yeah, sure. Let's do it sure so this is honestly Even though then this kind of stuff is hard because it's one of those things where there's a bit of a disconnect between what I know cognitively and the general sort of state that I like to live in where person online or even fabricate a person online and use that identity to fool or in many cases defraud others. I know that.

We cover that stuff all the time, whether it's deep fake technology or using LLMs to generate sad stories on Facebook that send people to go fund me's or you know Whatever it is right you can you can fabricate and hire people out of the ether. I know that But still this read on IGN, which is probably the best piece of journalism. I've seen from IGN in years Maybe yours. I was being nice. Let's IGN in years. Maybe years. I was being nice. Let's go with in years. Was chilling to read.

I would strongly encourage you guys, I'm going to go ahead and drop this in the Floatplane chat and I'm going to ask Dan real quick to maybe repeat that link and huck it into the YouTube and Twitch chats. I would strongly encourage you guys to go read the whole article because we can't get into every little detail. But what I will give you guys is a summary. And basically what it comes down to is that Susan Banks,

who was a prominent video game accessibility advocate and co-founder of the website, Can I Play That? Was thought to have died in 2019. But the report from IGN raises serious doubts as to whether she ever existed at all. She was supposedly a deaf Turkish immigrant who had worked as a model and financial asset manager before becoming a professor at a notable deaf university. But when IGN asked for comment, the university denied she had ever worked there. Between 2015 and her apparent death in 2019, she blogged extensively and often interacted with other advocates and news organizations.

However, these interactions were exclusively through social media or emails, which most people attributed to her being deaf, which I can tell you from my own experience with the deaf community is a totally completely normal thing for them to prefer text communication. It's like my own mom is hard of hearing and she taught at a school for the deaf for many years. That's the reason that I have picked up on some American Sign Language. And so, you know, I'm already familiar with the kinds of accessibility equipment that existed before the internet was necessarily widespread. So like we had a TTY in our house, which is essentially a keyboard phone.

And so you use it through like a relay operator to conduct phone calls, or at least you did back before every brand had a live chat or whatever else, but you'll still find like TTY access numbers on things like government websites and things like that. So the point I'm trying to make is that it really would not have raised any kind of weird alarm bells if someone who is deaf or hard of hearing preferred to communicate via text and also preferred not to turn their camera on. So, moving on, if Banks is in fact a fake person, the most likely suspect seems to be her supposed romantic partner, Cody Craven, who facilitated many of her communications.

According to an associate of Craven, Craven claimed that Banks was hospitalized after dropping a KitchenAid mixer on her foot, which resulted in the amputation first of one leg, then of the other leg two days later. When this associate contacted the hospital where Banks was recovering in order to send flowers, the hospital denied they had any patient by that name. One thing that's interesting is, like someone at Full Plane Chat posted up like privacy policies and stuff like that. I'm kind of surprised you can just call a hospital and figure out if someone's there or not.

No, you can. Without having relations with that person or anything? No, you can definitely do it. I had to do it a little while ago. You can definitely do it. Intriguing. Yeah, I think they kind of expect you to demonstrate a little bit that you like.

Know what you're talking about. Know what you're talking about, but, it's it's definitely a thing Engineering someone said in a public chat. Yeah true So the associate then hired a private investigator who found no evidence or any legal record of banks whatsoever Craven meanwhile, so this was the supposed romantic partner was apparently showered in gifts and sympathy whenever he posted about his partner's illness and recovery. Since announcing Banks' death by stroke in 2019, Koti Craven has dated two other surprisingly similar deaf women whose existence has also come into question. After being reached for comment by IGN, Craven strongly requested that the piece not be published, then began deleting all of his social media accounts.

Not a good sign. My notes continue. These kinds of bizarre schemes aren't new, but they're becoming easier to pull off with modern tools. In addition to entirely AI-generated influencers, there are apparently already several fake influencers created by stealing real influencers' photos and adding deepfaked AI faces to them.

However, other influencers have made tons of money off people using their own faces but otherwise fabricating facts about their life and circumstances. That's not really a however, that's an addition too. Yeah. We know about the fake planes and stuff like that. What was the grift though? Did they make money off this? So the grift was, no no I believe there was at least,

you gotta read the whole IGN article to find all the details, but yeah, between things like requests for donations to help out and being an apparently sort of able-bodied person who could create this persona of someone who would have much more credibility discussing accessibility and gaming, you can create this, you know, you can create Can I Play That, you can create blogs, you can get gig work as an advocate, you can create this career that ironically

wouldn't be open to you as an able, as a completely able-bodied person, but would be open to you as someone who could speak authoritatively on the challenges that you face. And I mean, I think that's the thing that makes me most sick about all of this is like, really? There's not enough things that you could do that like you have to, from the people who have legitimate grievances with the way that the gaming industry

has treated accessibility, who have legitimate voices that need to be heard in this space, you take advantage of their plight and you profit from it and you turn it into like a hustle that then substitutes their voice for your own? Like I can't, I can't even begin to wrap my head, allegedly, around how sick this guy would have to be to think that that is even remotely okay. Allegedly. Allegedly. None of this is proven in court, but read the IGN piece. It is actually worth the click. Go check it out. It is, it is gross.

All right, Dan, what are we supposed to talk about? Give us something, give us something better. Another topic. We've done two topics. Then we can go straight into merch messages and announcements. Oh, well, why don't we do Luke goes back to packs first. Okay. Yeah. We've done two topics Then we can go straight into like a message is announced off if you want Oh, well, why don't we do Luke goes back to packs first? Okay? Yeah, the only comment Look at look at how useless the doc is here. My only comment here is

Blue water grill is amazing. So Okay, help me out. It's gonna write more notes for I'll just remember everything. It's fine. And how'd that go? Really well, actually. I remember everything. It's okay. Okay. Except for one extremely important detail,

which I can look up. You heard it from Luke. I remember everything. Luke Lefrenier, 2024. Maybe don't extend that too far. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I went back to PAX. It was an extremely last minute decision, like in the week before PAX. It was an extremely last minute decision.

Like in the week before PAX. I wasn't. I had told people I wasn't going. And then I think it was like days before PAX. I was like, oh, I'm going. I was only able to go for one day. So after WAN show last week, Linus and I went and looked at the Babavenson Center for a little

while and then after midnight, I finally went to go drive down to Seattle. So I didn't end up getting there until like three in the morning-ish. Slept for, oh, a few hours, I guess, because I should probably still be down there for when the show floor opens. Yeah, buddy. And then stayed up until I think it was about three in the morning again before starting to drive home. Nice. Didn't get home until like five-ish Sunday morning and then had to go to my niece's birthday

party breakfast, which started at nine. Nice. So I had a heck of a weekend. So it was a PAX weekend. It sure was. Nice. But I was only at PAX for one day There was this is still zero useful context, but thank you for that delightful and heartwarming story

There was some things had a wonderful birthday one is I think there we go I got little kid birthdays are always funny to me. They have no idea what's going on. I have no clue at all Yeah, she okay, so she's been scared of me. I'm gonna tangent really hard here for a second She's been scared of me Forever Don't blame her. I'd rather deal with a bear I mean a real one. My goodness Okay

Yeah, so she's she's she been, I don't know what it is, she just has always been very standoffish of me when I'm in person. They'll put on like the WAN show or something and she'll point at me and know that it's me and be all happy. And when she goes to bed, she'll like say good night to everyone in the family and she includes my name. Like she seems to like me when I'm not there, but when I am actually there, not so much. This time, there was like the tables that we were at had tablecloths that draped over and she was sitting in, I think it was my mom's lap who was sitting next to me. And I looked at her and tried to talk to her and she kind of stared at me for a second and then got under the table and then was like, HELLO!

And started replying because she didn't want to look at me. Kids deal the sickest burns. Because they have no filter. They just do what they feel, you know? So brutal. Hopefully she'll, uh, you know. I'm sure she'll get over it. She just needs to get a little closer to your size

and then she might not feel like the tables are so one-sided here. Yeah, maybe that's part of it. Yeah, little kid birthday parties have always been funny to me because like, man, especially with our first, when we were mostly dealing with other first-time parents and stuff, like the kinds of productions that people will do

for a one-year-old or old or a two year old's birthday. And I would always just be looking at this going like, you know they aren't gonna remember any of this. And when you try to sit them down in their teens or 20s and show them pictures of it, they're not gonna give two hoots because they literally won't remember any of these people either.

Like this is, as long as you fully recognize that this is all for you, then they would have been just as happy with like, I was gonna say some packing peanuts to play with, but at least not without supervision. They would have been just as happy with an empty cardboard box to crawl around in. Then okay, you do you, but the amount of money

people will spend on these parties it just blows my mind anyway I'm sure this was chill knowing your family it was probably fine yeah this is fine yeah and everybody had a good time it was it was all good but yeah I know anyway okay rewinding for for packs yeah Blue Water Girl the story of okay we're not we're not at Blue Water Girl yet okay the story of getting down there is interesting because this is important because I forgot the name of the place The story of getting down there is interesting because this is important because I forgot the name of the place. The story of getting down there is interesting because I did detail how late we got there, right? So we didn't end up getting there until almost three in the

morning. Right. I went down with one of my buddies that I've known since like high school and the room that we were supposed to get had one bed, but it also had a pullout couch. So we were like, okay, cool. You can crash on that. Um, we, we get to the room that we were supposed to have. There was no pullout couch. Okay, cool. So we get checked in, no pullout couch. I don't really care. I'm like, we can just do the over under sheet thing. I've done this a hundred times. It doesn't matter to me. But he was like, and I was like, I mean, we, we technically booked room. They're supposed to have this thing. We can call them and like, see maybe they have another room. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure they had I was like, I mean, we, we technically booked room. They're supposed to have this thing. We can call them and like, see maybe they have another room. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm sure they had plenty of rooms. I mean, it's not like it's the biggest event in Seattle. Turns out. Well, I mean, they still had tickets a couple of days for the event. They didn't sell out by the way. They used to sell it like that. You had to scrape the site to be able to buy tickets because they sold out so fast.

They did not sell out this time. Oh, that's rough. Apparently a lot more people went this year than last year and they're expecting that growth to continue because there's like this resurgence post COVID. Yeah, that makes sense. So it's probably fine, but yeah, I don't, I don't know. But anyways, so they, they, okay, sounds good. They switch us rooms. We get in there. We take a second to properly investigate because lo and behold, it's the same room, effectively. It's on a different floor. There's still no pull-out couch. We don't know what's really going on. So we call down again. It's now been like half an hour.

And it's pretty late. Really just want to go to bed. Yeah. But they're like, we can bring you a cot. Okay. Okay, sure. The cot rolls up. It takes a while, but it rolls up. Looks amazing. It's just a full size mattress on a wheel frame. So it's like sick. Sounds good. We start going to bed, he gets inside. He's like, why is it so cold? And I'm like, what

is he gets up and starts feeling around the whole cot is just not the whole cot About 30% of the cot is just soaking wet So we called out and we're like And They're like, okay, we can like try to bring you another one They end up calling us back. We don't have another one. So we're like, okay, and they're like well We can we can just bring you like some extra blankets or something You know a hairdryer really can sure whatever like it's it's now been like an hour Just if you're gonna do something great, if not, like whatever

20 minutes later. Yeah. It's been a long time at this point. I'm actively trying to fall asleep. I'm in bed. 20 minutes later, they call back up. Hey, we're trying to find you a cot. Just stop. At this point, I don't care. I gave them like tons of bedding from the main bed.

We just layered it up. It was fine. It was all good. In the morning, I'm like, can you guys like do anything? About this. About this, by the way. Cause that was like, we, not only did we not get what we paid for. Yeah. I feel like someone's about to get called out here,

but carry on. Yeah. But also after multiple attempts of not getting what we paid for, it took over an hour that we wanted to sleep and we couldn't sleep and the Westin said no. They said no. They said no because I booked it through Expedia apparently. Which is not fair and I'm not gonna stop because I like Expedia personally but this is not you know not sponsored. That's garbage. So annoying. It was incredibly frustrating.

It was a huge waste of time. Literal garbage. Soaking wet bed. And then we went to Blue Water Grill. The reason I wanted to call them out is because amazing restaurant that we used to go to every time we went to go to PAX and it was packed every time we went there, you had to wait in line to be able to order, we walked up, nobody there.

Really? Food's still amazing. They said that there's a new convention building. Yeah. So they're still using the old one, but they're also using this new one. And they said that they think it diverted foot traffic because now people are going to ones.

Oh, because it's like not on the path now or whatever. So people are going to restaurants that are in between the two buildings. Got it. So they're not going to ones. Oh, because it's like not on the path now or whatever. So people are going to restaurants that are in between the two buildings. Got it. So they're not going to Blue Water Grill. Blue Water Grill has had to pull back their hours because PAX isn't the only convention doing this.

So they used to get tons of traffic from the convention because they're really close to the convention center. So maybe check out Blue Water Grill. The food's still amazing to make good stuff. PAX itself was fun. The gaming halls spent about three or four hours checking those out and then was completely done and okay with it. Yeah. To be honest. Yeah, that kind of makes sense. Not that interested. There's this new

theme where all the games are handing out like cards with QR codes on them to wishlist their game. Okay. So back in the day you used to get like shirts and now you just have like a stack of cards. C cards. I could see people getting into that. It might be more effective for the developers and publishers. So like that's cool. How about we meet in the middle? Shirts with big QR codes on them. Free clothes for Luke and you get people to wishlist your game. Whenever you take a photo of someone it's going... That'd be pretty funny actually. We should do it.

We should do it. Just like... The ball playing shirt could have like a QR code on the back of it. Dude I'd be so down. That'd be sick. People are saying that apparently it is standard practice that there's nothing that they can do when you book through third parties And I had a similar experience. That's ridiculous though. Okay, oh, you know what this reminds me of? If you sign up for a subscription service through the Google Play Store

They like can't do anything for you. I've noticed that. You have to. I've had that problem before. I actually hate that. Me too. By the way. That's insane. But this may not be the Weston's fault entirely. They should have done- My rebuttal to this? I'm not taking a side. I'm not taking a side. All right. All right. My rebuttal- and I left the lady at the counter that said like we can't do anything. I left her alone. It's not- she can't do anything about it. It's not her fault to be super clear, but I don't believe that because none of this was Expedia's fault. They gave us the wrong room. They gave us the wrong room again.

They gave us a wet caught and they failed to solve that problem. Not Expedia did none of that. So like I'm sure there is something that you could do and you're just trying to get away with it. That's That's how I feel. I Mean at the very least what they almost certainly could do is give you a voucher for Z and hotel restaurant Yeah, or something like that something at the very least they should be able to do that All right. What is our next thing, Dan? Hit us. Sure, let's do some merch messages.

Oh, sorry. One last thing about PAX. They did massively expand the tabletop areas though. And those are super sick now. That's pretty cool. They're like actually really cool. They have a huge tabletop free play area where you can play all these different games

that people are showing off. The tabletop expo area itself is much bigger. And to be honest, I think that makes a ton of sense because the amount of games that are publishing demos on Steam now have massively gone up. That's great. So you could really go to the video game area just by staying home and playing Steam demos. But the tabletop stuff, you can't experience just at home. Yeah. So that part was really cool. Gaming's coming full circle, let's go. We're going back, yeah. Yeah. And there's some really crazy good like the the Slave of Spire tabletop game is really highly rated. The Divinity

tabletop game is really highly rated. I really like co-op tabletop games. And they had a whole section that was just co-op tabletop games. The whole thing was really cool actually So I was happy to see that they must have recognized this as well Like the gaming area is less interesting than it used to the video gaming area is less interesting than it used to be Let's maybe expand tabletop and the the new Convention building was like almost all tabletop stuff, which was sick. Anyways, that's it. All right hit us Dan Oh, we should explain merch messages. If you wanna interact with the show,

the way to do it is through a merch message. We don't do YouTube super chats, we don't do Twitch bits. We do, dust thing, we do merch messages. So all you gotta do is head over to lttstore.com and add something to your cart. You'll see a little box pop up when we're live where you can leave a merch message. It'll go to producer Dan who will reply to it.

Bone bomb? Weird reply, but thanks Dan, good solid effort. He'll forward it to someone internally who can address your question. Hold on, is that like a- Tears of the Kingdom? Oh yeah. Bone plus bomb. Oh, I couldn't see the plus from that.

I was like, that's gotta be a gaming reference or something. Or he'll curate it for me and Luke and sometimes Dan himself to reply to. So he's gonna show you a couple examples of what that might look like. Dan, do you wanna hit us with the merch message? What's wrong with Luke? No, sorry, I just saw something

that we'll end up talking about later in the show. Oh, okay. Oh, I think Luke finally found the thing that you guys are probably gonna be ordering. Sure, why don't we just show them that first? I did, I did. We can go to my screen, I guess. This is actually sick.

It's the Community Guidelines T-shirt. If you didn't know, because you weren't here for the beginning of the show, we got a video taken down. And at this point, you probably do know, if you watch the WAN Show, that whenever something unfortunate happens to us, we make a T-shirt commemorating the occasion. The Community Guidelines shirt designed by the one and only Sarah Butt will be available for a limited time. You can give us your

impressions on the design and like all of our... is there a way to do that? I actually have no idea what they mean by that. Anyway, like all of our other limited edition t-shirts, this will be print to order on our custom soft and long lasting LTT blanks The ones that were rated so highly by project farm very very recently And they'll be printed by our local printing partner who just does such an outstanding job with the quality that Sometimes it takes us a long time to get things printed because it's a small operation and we just can't accept any Substitute at this point. I think it's really cool. It almost it's yeah, that's a cool take on it I originally thought it was just gonna be the text that was originally discussed and I was like, yeah

This is cool. It's kind of a it's kind of a you know more abstract inspired Design by you know the entity that might have had something to do with this whole controversy. Oh yeah. If you look closely, there's no solution to that. No, I got that too, yeah. You know, it's hard to, it can be challenging to navigate,

you know, the modern interwebs and all of its difficulties. And so. It says a lot. It does. Without having any text. its difficulties. And so... It says a lot. It does. Without having any text. I think it's great. It says a lot. I think that, uh...

I think that Sarah did a great job. It's available now at lmg.gg slash community guidelines. We're gonna go ahead and throw that in the chat. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And... The color choice? There's black. Oh, yeah, yeah.

If you don't like the green, there's black. There's other color choices. There's black. Yep. Go for it, guys. Easy. Alright, Dan. like the ground, there's black. There's other color choices. There's black. Yep, go for it, guys. Easy. All right, Dan, show us how merch messages work. Sure, yeah, I've got one here for you.

Linus, years ago, you offered to pay the reopening costs of an Asian restaurant in a mall that closed. You mentioned that they footed your bill once and won your loyalty. Did this ever come to pass? To be clear, they credited me. They gave me an advance. I did reimburse them for that lunch.

Yeah. No, I never heard from them. I would have loved to. My offer is still open. I actually- I know the exact place you're talking about. I actually can't remember exactly what it was called anymore, but it was an Aberdeen mall and it was just a delicious little place.

Basil leaf. It was called basil leaf Oh, and they had this this like egg jelly dessert thing that I really hated the first time I ate it and then now I would probably Hmm if it was the only way that I could ever get it again And if I if I had the opportunity right now, if he was like, I will make you one right now, it will cost you $50, I would probably pay for it.

I would probably do it. Assuming it's a one-time thing, like I wouldn't buy it for $50 every day, that'd be crazy. But I think to have it one more time, and remember, part of this is just having enjoyed it so many times. It's the nostalgia of enjoying it again.

You could think of it kind of like buying a game that you played as a kid. You'd spend way more to kind of relive that. It's also just like, I still remember the first time I ate there with you and you got me to get the dessert thing and you got me to eat it and I was like this sucks and you're like yeah you'll figure it out or whatever I don't know exactly what you said and then after a while it was just like oh my god I need more of that thing. Yeah I know. It's amazing. Yeah so so if the owner of Basil Leaf, if he's still around,

if this ever makes it to him, I would be happy to help you start up again, as long as I can come get that dessert again and delicious soup. And I will pay $50 for my first pudding. But after that, I want to pay menu price for the rest of it. Yeah, after that. After that. OK, what else you got, Dan? We'll menu price for the rest of the stuff. Yeah, after that. After that.

OK, what else you got, Dan? We'll just go through the rest of the announcements and then we'll do another one at the end. Announcements? Oh, oh, yeah, we have a few more announcements. What the heck? The precision screwdriver pop-up is tomorrow. This will be your opportunity to get hands-on with the brand new LTT precision multi-bit screwdriver in bitset.

We're going to be having testing stations where you can feel how it stacks up with the competition, and you'll be able to talk to our engineering team about the driver itself. You will also be able to purchase one of 500 limited edition numbered precision screwdrivers, as well as some other items from LTDstore.com. We... Oh, I don't want to say some of this stuff But what I will say is please don't travel too far for this event

It's probably too late to book a flight anyway that isn't a challenge We really don't have a ton of capacity we do not have a ton of capacity So if if you're local and you happen to need a precision screwdriver set hey We'll see you tomorrow September 7th from 10am to 2pm at the Linus Media Group Studio in Surrey, BC. You can check out our social accounts where we'll have more detailed information if you're swinging by. Also the precision screwdriver bit set and case are releasing tomorrow if you are not able to come to the pop-up. Oh okay, oh wow, so it's going to be available online, Saturday, September

7th. We've shown it off a ton on the WAN Show and in our videos. We're really happy with how it turned out. We can't wait for you to get your hands on it. And... What time? Because are we waiting for reviews to come in from the pop-up? Or what's... I think they're going live at the same time. If you want to be notified the moment it drops to secure yours, you can sign up at lmG.GG slash precision. Pretty exciting Dan if you want to copy that link. We also have an update on the off-site laptop bag. We got some feedback about the off-site laptop bag that we launched a few weeks past. Some customers are incredibly happy with their purchase. Another review, exactly what I expected and needed.

Some people are not as happy and felt like the messaging that we had on the site didn't line up with what they expected. So we hear that customers were disappointed with their purchase. So we've taken it down from the website while we do an update to some of the messaging to clear up some things about the begs capacity both in the description and in photos. As always, if you're unhappy with your purchase, reach out to support and trust me bro, we're going to do everything we can to make it right. That is something we've always been consistent about.

If you were wondering, by the way, we are going to have it available at the pop-up. It's not a quality issue It's an expectation management issue. So I had no qualms telling the team Yeah, go ahead have it available at the pop-up because if people can see it in person then there's gonna be no Misunderstanding. Yeah, and no Yeah, no, no false expectations or anything. It'll be what it is. It'll be right there so they can buy it or not buy it The last thing Is hey Scrapyard Wars season 9. Thanks to everyone who watched thanks to everyone who joined float plane to watch the extras and behind the scenes

Jawa has picked the winners of the grand prizes the rigs we built this season with both of our signatures on each of them are going to Marcus are from Texas who won the Okay system from team Duke Do you know it actually winners yeah You know, we won. Oh, you know, we won. You cheated. You know we won. You cheated. I didn't cheat. You did. Tell me how I cheated.

Having the person that you pay collaborate with you on cheating doesn't make it not cheating. Sorry, what? What are you even talking about? Being able to go over budget. I didn't go over budget. You did. I never went over budget.

You did, temporarily. No, no, no, no, no, no, the money hadn't left my wallet. No, that still counts. If the, no, no, no, no, no. If you buy something aligned with a credit card, that money is out of your account. It is not. Yes, it is.

It actually isn't. It is though. It isn't. If you place a purchase. If you place a purchase, it is on your credit card, which you can pay in 30 days with money from your account. Actually. So you're still over budget then.

If it's a debit card comes out of your account immediately, Visa pays for it for you. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. That's out of Visa's bank account. Congratulations to the winners and a big thank you to Jawwok for partnering with us this season. We'll have a link in the description where you can check them out. Luke is gonna destroy one of the computers right now. Dude! It's gonna go kick it over. They're just here. Is it just here? Oh yeah, there they are. You're gonna sign them?

I forget what you guys did that I saw. I think it was in part two that was extremely questionable. No. Yeah, no, no, no. I saw you guys pull some... Look at him right now. He knows. Luke is a flawless person who also didn't cheat at all.

Never. What was it? Nothing. We didn't go over budget. No, no, no, I know that. Of course. No, it was all your SSD nonsense. Dude, the fact that you guys got to sub out a better SSD. Oh, yeah, but yours didn't even.

Highly questionable. Yours wasn't even going to work. Highly question. Yes, it was. Which is why we were allowed to do that, by the way. No way. No way. Mine would have worked.

It was full capacity. So? That was never a requirement He said it was for us. Yeah, but he didn't tell me If I don't know I don't know the guy that you paid was letting you cheat oh Come on Because in the past we would have had to go back and forth on on any rule bending that is such oh that is such a load of crap. It's unfortunate that your win is illegitimate, but... Don't make me call David.

Don't make me call David. I mean, you can call that guy that you pay to make up rules and let you cheat as much as you want. You are going to besmirch the good reputation of one David Goetje. Oh, no, it's not his fault. Wow. You gotta do what you gotta do to get to, you know.

You gotta do what you gotta do. He told me in a post-event interview that he likes cheating, which is why he allowed it to happen. Allowed what to happen? Your cheating. I didn't cheat! He did cheat. I didn't cheat.

You know what? We will let you guys be the judge. You don't have to watch. My... Hahaha! The real ulterior motive. No, I'm very angry. Yeah, I can see that

We will let you guys be the judge because there is a tracker throughout I believe parts two to four of our of our existing balances So we'll let you guys does it include when you include everything spent money on your credit card It includes everything does it include you going over the budget and spent money in your credit? It includes everything Did you go into the negatives when that happens it includes everything Luke does it include you going over the budget and spending money on your credit card? It includes everything. Did you go into the negatives when that happens? It includes everything, Luke. Does it show that? It shows everything. It shows everything.

Oh, people are asking for a poll. They want a poll? Honestly. I think Luke regrets not doing the same strat. No, on camera, Elijah asks if we can do the same strat, and I say no, because that would be too much cheating. No, it's not cheating. Unfortunately, it is. It's not cheating.

Yeah. Too much cheating. No, it's not cheating. Unfortunately it is. It's not cheating. Well, we'll let the people who watch be the judge. I think he's just, I think he's actually... He's lashing out. I'm extremely angry. Because what he's really upset about is... His teammate... ...choosing the worst possible benchmark And backing up the overclock

We've done to the root of the issue no no no no dude looks a team player Okay, Luke would defend a teammate to the death no matter how wrong they were So Luke has to attack me, but what he's really salty about What he's really salty about Seems like that that pole is saying that you cheat it's great The fact that only 60% of them are siding with you. Means that I won. No, dude, no. They always side with you. It looks like the next poll's results

are definitely yes as well. They always, non-biased. Line is cheated 110%. Look at this, you guys, look at this. Glory to the motherland. They've got two polls, regular poll, no, that's fine, they can see it regular pole and non biased pole Did you really spell pole wrong?

Dang it Dan. We're professionals here. Well, maybe maybe Luke is Cuz he cheated. Oh Man, yep, no integrity speaking of issues with the last Scrapyard Wars, where the heck is my trophy? Oh, well you don't deserve one. We didn't do trophies this year. What? We didn't do trophies this year.

Well you guess maybe David preemptively knew that he was gonna allow you to cheat, so he sent you another. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you guys watch. I'm gonna let you guys watch the series. It's actually, I think, watching through it, It's really good.

It's the best one ever. Ah, I have too much personal attachment to season four. Yeah, season four was amazing. Which isn't fair, really, but it's absolutely incredible. The team did a great job. If I was purely a viewer and I had to side by side one, this one's probably better. But just working with Rod and the stuff we're able to do in season four and stuff was just like...

Bob and Rod are such characters. Yeah, it was pretty amazing. The experience of season four was really good. The systems looked so good. Honestly, I love having a teammate sort of regardless. And for me... Teamate Scraphood Wars is more fun. Even though it was really different, I equally enjoyed working with Bob and working with Sammy. Even though in the case of the fourth Scrapyard Wars, Bob's expertise was obviously way more applicable

to what we were trying to do. I don't know, Sammy with the desk. But Sammy- And the setup stuff. Yes, which ended up contributing in a big way. But in terms of like, which one was more helpful minute to minute. You know, I couldn't just sick Sammy at like,

okay, go do that. And then I can completely tune out. But I actually really enjoyed the different perspective compared to working with someone way more like-minded like a Bob and Rod, where their interests are all like, the overlap with mine is a perfect circle. Whereas having Sammy who is very different from me provide that very different perspective

and that very different skill set was a ton of fun. And I think what I would like to, if we were to ever do Scrapyard Wars again, I think I would like to try to capture that again having like, you know, like an odd couple vibe Contrast on the teams on the teams. Yeah, exactly. That's an interesting idea. There's a reason they do that in reality TV It's not an accident. I have I feel like you probably feel the same way I suspect even when you don't have a teammate you end up like way I suspect. Even when you don't have a teammate, you end up like somewhat forming a team using the like camera. Yeah. Yeah. So like because you like you need you're going through so much crazy crap.

So Gaffer Wars is genuinely an insane experience. To film. Yeah. So the ops end up super invested. Oh, yeah. Every time. They're like they're like behind the camera like they're basically like fighting each other. Yeah, the hosts are like fighting each other. Because the hosts are like fighting each other and the camera operators are like getting in on it. It's fantastic. It's very, it gets a little tribal. But it's kind of easier when your teammate is actually involved with the challenges

and not just trying to capture the challenges in order to have that bonding stuff. But. Tone of fun. Yeah, it was great. You should watch it. and not just trying to capture the challenges in order to have that bonding stuff. But- Tone of fun. Yeah, it was great. You should watch it. Are we doing the thing, the all in one video thing? All Scrabby Doors in one video?

Oh yeah, that was something we were gonna kind of prime you guys for. We're not really sure. We've never really done this sort of thing before, but like a compilation video. Lots of channels do it, Like big channels, small channels, they'll put together a bunch of projects. Like kids channels will do this all the time.

They'll have like three hours of just their videos just cut together and uploaded as one video. I think it's particularly effective on kids channels, but I do see other channels do it as well. But should we just cut together the entire Scrapyard Wars 9 and just upload it as a video. I don't think it would perform well out of the gate, but that kind of mega long-form content, it would be almost two hours with all four pieces, can do really well on the channel. Are you guys gonna be like mad if we upload that or is that is that chill?

Are we good? It's a bit of a gamble. I would be very interested. Like I almost want us to do it just for the science. DVD box set. That is kind of what it is. We had actually talked about it before, doing like a director's commentary, like Blu-ray. Remember that?

I think we almost, cause it was for- We talked about doing it on Vessel. Yeah. As like an exclusive. And then we just like never, because I remember- Oh, this is all coming back. Isn't it like an exclusive and then we just like never because I remember, oh this is all coming back. No we wanted to do it because we were like oh we could do that as like a virtual blu-ray and you could like buy it and that was around the time we did the Christmas album I think. It was deer and free stuff as well. Yeah we were

experimenting with like digital releases. But like traditional media releases. This is back when more people had like, yeah, blu-ray players and stuff. Yeah, like people bought Playstations because they wanted the blu-ray player more than the PlayStation. It was a different time. It was a very different time. But it's an interesting discussion. I don't know. I'm very, I'm not saying that we should do it necessarily, but I'm very interested in us doing it just for the science more than anything. So I want to see what it does to the channel. I still think I understand it's not clips, but I think it's a good channel to use for it. But I think the previous seasons

should go up as compilations on LMG clips. I'm still, I still think that would be cool. I pitched as my sort of maybe solution that we do all the seasons on Linus Tech Tips, but we upload them like all at the same time. So we basically kill any notification viewership on them and we just let them algorithmically just boil over there and see what happens because there's a lot of videos that we have by accident released with a very very small initial subscriber push one of them is like a weird controller video where someone accidentally

ticked unticked notify subscribers um another one is one where we went live multiple times because of errors in the stream the previous day and we had used up our allotment of notifications. So like a Saturday morning video that didn't get a notification. Like there's been times when it's happened. And in the end, it mostly comes out in the wash and they tend to do okay as long as they're good content and the retention is good. I know of a channel, I don't want to dunk on them, they're a friend, but I know of a channel that did this and you can see the view impact on a lot of them, which was a dump from another platform

and usually they get like these numbers and some of them ended up doing okay in the long run. But the majority of them. But give them time, let them cook. That's only a couple months ago. When I say in the long term, I mean over a couple of years. You mean like big long term, okay. Yeah, like videos that go, they'll go.

Another interesting variable to try to keep in mind here, but it's gonna to be tough, is the impact of this on the individual uploads from the past. I was like, are you just cannibalizing those views? Are you getting new views? I would suspect it's going to be and I mean, this is pure speculation, but I would suspect that it would be mostly net new. And the reason I say that is because the YouTube audience is unfathomably big. I think that we think of ourselves as sort of understanding the size of it. We don't understand the size of it.

I mean, look at what's been happening with Cristiano Ronaldo. The idea that 50 million people could be subscribing to him in a span of how many days was it? I don't know soccer player. No, I know who it is. Did they start a youtube channel? Yeah, he started a youtube channel Do you mean football? Oh two death looks Yeah, so he's up to 58 million. Whoa and he started a couple days ago. Yeah Whoa Yeah, so he's up to 58 million. 58 million? Whoa, and he started a couple days ago? Yeah. Whoa!

So that should give you some idea. Oh dude, he's killing it! That should give you some idea, dude. It's not a few days, it's a couple weeks. Whatever. The point is, the point is that the audience is huge. The appetite for content is huge. The number, how many people you think,

like I used to always tell you, like we're going to reach a saturation. There's no way you can get more than a hundred thousand views on a video about a hard drive. There's no way you can get more than 250,000 views on a video about a CPU. There's no way, like I've been saying this over and over and over again. And then at some point you might have noticed I stopped saying it because the audience is unlimited. As long as you're passionate about what you're talking about, as long as you can make it engaging and entertaining, you can make a video about anything and you can get millions and millions and millions of people who are into it. I mean, our biggest video ever, our most viewed video ever, is

building a PC using only wish.com. All I do is build a computer. That's our biggest ever now. If you had asked me, if you had asked me, it's a really funny video. Have you ever watched it? RIP firetruck. It's really funny. The point is, bring it back. The point is, if you had asked me when I started the channel, back when a huge YouTube channel might have 100,000 subscribers, right? If you had asked me, could there possibly even be 23 million people on earth who would sit and watch a video about building a computer? I'd have thought you were high.

Like your guess is high. I would never accuse someone of partaking of... Of course not. How could you? I would have thought something like that to be unfathomable, right? But it absolutely is fathomable. It's fully fathomable. And so I forget what point I'm trying to make right now, but the audience is enormous.

Don't underestimate it. Hey, how to build a PC, the last guy you'll ever need. Didn't that do poorly when it first launched? Yeah. 11 million views. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's cooking, dude.

You gotta, you gotta, you gotta understand what you're uploading. You gotta know, okay, is this a slow burn or is this, is this something that's going to be a short and bright burn and then just fade into nothing? And there's both of those and there's everything in between. In fact, we, how to build a PC, hold on, hold on, PC. We've actually uploaded two how to build a PC, the last guides you'll ever needs.

And you can actually see, if you look at the analytics here on the more recent one, which is updated, like it's an updated version. So if we dig into the dashboard. Look at that line. Look at this garbage, garbage performance in the first three days. Yeah, but then it just never stops.

533,000 views. And like you'll get, remember that time you uploaded that video, how to uploaded that video how to basics How to install a GPU? Yeah. Yeah, I'll go find it. I'll go find it after this. Okay It did horrible. Oh, yeah, we got not only horrible people were mad They were so mad that we would upload a video that was so basic just how to install a GPU. They're furious Sorry, we'll go we'll go we'll get back to that, but first this one, you can see absolute dog crap.

Oh, what's this? Just keeps cooking. It goes into the typical band and escape velocity, let's go. Because it's a different kind of content. It's designed for a different kind of engagement where people are being served this video because it is an incredible resource and It is the we believe ultimate guide to researching learning how to

Spec how to understand what you're doing and ultimately how to build a PC Sebastian from the creative warehouse engineering team so that you can see on the old one when the second one was uploaded Looking at its analytics. Oh, yeah, that that's makes a lot of sense, but it's super interesting. That totally makes sense here I'll we'll play dig around in the dashboard with Linus here Yep, okay Yeah, it makes sense that it would flatten out a little bit. Yeah, but you can see actually if we go There's no there used to be a really easy way to zoom in there was a little interface down at the bottom where you Could just kind of drag the window for what period you want to look at drag select

Like can you can you click on the thing and then drag it across and then unclick? No, no No, no They just took away that and I keep every time they ask me. Hey, what features do you want to see in the dashboard? I tell them that not less features and every time they just don't do that, which is Well as a yes, no guys. I know that I can key in a custom value, but it's tedious As a person who runs a development team with people who ask them for features 100% of the time, I can sympathize. But also, we don't have the people and resources

that they have. Yeah, they're literal Googlers. And it's a feature that they used to have. Just don't take it out. This one is a little less obvious, because I think they've actually changed the interface or rather they've changed the way they collect the data with old with old videos so you can see it's just showing it's just showing daily views for whatever reason and I

think I have to I think I have to go into advanced mode in order to see the the lifetime thing so Yeah Like this is clearly clearly not helpful, but the point is that it started with really really poor Poor stats you can see it recovered somewhat not entirely but people were freaking Freaking angry genuinely furious about this one. They were really there I remember I would check the check the comments now because the top voted comment when this first released was just like rage. Oh, the comments are probably fine now. Probably.

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Rather touchy audience you've built here. Great video. Like, yeah. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Appreciate you all, really do. Oh, what are we supposed to be doing, Dan? I got one more merch message for you, and then we'll move on to some more topics. Little did they know it was going to get worse. Sorry, I keep going. Lies continue.

Love you. Hey, hey, low-density lipoprotein. Oh, I never ex- disorderly in blood-plain chat. Hello low-density lipoprotein. Yes. Did y'all get access to the 7600X3D? What do y'all think of it being a Micro Center exclusive? I did actually have our CEO, Taron, who was down in California right now, ask if we wanted one. And I basically

said, I don't... I would like to give Luke some time to work with the labs team and get our processes in order before we tackle any Benchmarking videos other than the ones that we need to this is such a low-impact product because it's exclusive to one US retailer That I don't think it's necessarily relevant to the broader audience And I'm sure there are going to be folks out there that are gonna cover it sufficiently I just didn't feel like we needed to throw our voice into this one. Yeah Do you think this is just like a weird binning thing where they just had a bunch of Cb's I didn't really know what to do with so they were like Almost certainly this is going to be the leftovers of dies that didn't

Manage to make the cut for any other 3D V-cache product. And they have so many of them that it would be wasteful to throw them away, but not so many of them that they can justify a broader release of the product and guarantee that they're going to have any kind of ongoing supply of it, that they wouldn't have to then salvage from higher tier products. So the way it used to work is that if you had a lower tier product like 7600X3D, you would release that and then if someone wanted to buy a 7600X3D but you didn't have

enough dyes that failed to be a 7800X3D, you would just take 7800X3D, but you didn't have enough dies that failed to be a 7800X3D, you would just take 7800X3Ds and you would fuse off some of it and you would just sell it as a 7600X3D, but they just don't really do that anymore because capitalism basically... and Capitalism basically And in fairness to companies like AMD, I I suspect that times are a little bit tighter There have been certainly everybody right there have certainly been plentiful times for the IT industry, but right now Way first cost more than they ever have getting the most out of out of every die is definitely something that at the very least your shareholders wanna see. And so it's disappointing to me that we can't continue

to just kind of, I don't know, yeah, sell a 7800X3D as a 7600X3D and just kind of eat the margin on it in order to serve that lower budget customer, right? Because at the end of the day, that is how many low-budget chips existed in the past was them blending the costs on these products and basically going, okay, as long as we don't sell too many of these and we position them, we cut them down enough-er

that they're not too enticing, we can continue to sell the higher end one, we can make a profitable model out of this, and those are still there, they're still available as a budget option. That just doesn't really exist anymore. And I do think that this product would, not suffocate, would cannibalize the 7800X3D in a big enough way that if they released it broadly, they would effectively be discounting

those dyes that they could have sold as 7800X3Ds. Sorry, this is a long and convoluted way of saying, I don't like it. I get it. Congrats to anyone who lives near enough to a micro center that they can go pick up one of these because it looks like an outstanding gaming chip for a pretty decent price. I don't love it, but I don't think I would do anything else if I was AMD, really. It makes sense. It just kind of sucks if it is the thing that you would want to get

and you can't reasonably get it. I have a really random aside. I saw someone say I live really close to two micro centers LFG. Let's go. Yeah basically with a little F in the middle there. That acronym confused me for a little while because on certain sentences that I saw it being used with, it like could have been looking for group. And I was like, yeah, okay. What? It's only like, sort of makes sense.

Like it barely makes sense. And then I finally figured out that it was let's go with an F in the middle. Took me a little while to realize people weren't talking about American Sign Language. That's pretty good. You want to know one that still screws me up a little bit? Yeah. OFC? Of course. I very legitimately thought it was of with an F word in the middle course for a long time. Really?

So I thought people were like really upset or angry when they were using it And after like quite a while, I think I heard someone else reading it out loud and they said of course and I was like Yeah, it's not aggro. I thought it was like super aggro for years. Yeah, there's people saying Yeah, I thought it was that, but apparently it's not. A lot of people don't use it. They use it as of course. Yeah, and it's a super weird one to me because most of the time that's not how that works. No.

Yeah. So I really like, I meant, and like I used it that way for a long time. And I don't think people necessarily understood. That I like, yeah, it was, you know, there's a little bit more emphasis behind it. Oh, that's great. My problem- And I still read it that way and then have to like mentally correct and keep going. My personal favorite is that Dennis for the longest time thought FTW meant f*** Taiwan. So he would just see it all over the place be like why do people hate Taiwan so much?

EVGA had FTW cards back in the day that was been really awkward. Yeah, oh boy Amazing love that guy All right, what are we supposed to be doing Dan? Keep us on keep us on track here. What else we got up here? GDPR as a service? What? Oh my goodness. This is going to make you so mad Oh boy, multiple sources have noted a general rise in consent or pay GDPR pop-ups aka cookie walls These pop-ups instead of offering the option to accept or decline cookies offer only the option to accept cookies or pay a fee or a subscription, this would on face value appear to violate the text of the EU's general data protection

regulation which requires consent to be explicitly requested, easily withdrawn, and freely given, freely given in quotes, with an equivalent method of accessing the content without accepting any kind of tracking. However, this year the Spanish Data Protection Agency released a use guideline for cookies that clarified that this alternative did not necessarily have to be free of charge. This seems to have made several companies much bolder in offering expensive subscription alternatives that casual browsers are unlikely to pay. It's unclear at this point whether the rest of the EU will support this interpretation.

What the heck are you doing? Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. The Guardians is not one of those. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. They have a really, really big cookie pop-up, but it does not actually prevent you from accessing the site. Did you say the Guardians or did I say that? I know I brought up a thing. They just get really sad about it when you don't accept cookies. Oh. Yeah. So, yep. Nope, nope, nope. Hold on. Let's, if you guys can think of an example of one that actually prevents you from accessing it. I don't personally know of one. Yes, and in the time, I've seen it.

I've come across it clicking things in my Google News Feed. Like I just can't click through to it unless I accept cookies. They're like, you can either pay or you can, or you can accept cookies. If you say, no, I don't accept cookies, they just are like, okay, see you later. I don't know.

Oh, I think we're about to get a hot take folks. Maybe. As a website owner, obviously I don't wanna do this, but I feel like is it not up to the website owner to decide how people interact with the website? And this is transparent in that form. You're telling people you have the option to just not go to the website. It's not life or death to go to this website or not. It sucks, but I'm just going to leave your website and go somewhere else. So interesting. I don't know. I don't think this is what the EU had in mind with GDPR.

I think that what they had in mind was transparency around cookies and otherwise the service being unimpeded. I think that's why it doesn't bother me that much is I still prefer this over what we had in the past. I don't want people just forcing cookies. So if you're like, Hey, I would rather you either aren't on my website, you have cookies or you're paying to be here. I, and I have the choice to just be like, well, then I'm just not going to be on your website. That sounds like an exchange to me. That's going to bother some people, I'm sure. Here's an example. Somebody found one. Okay.

Can I go to Luke's laptop? I might take him up on that. Yeah, I think you can. Okay, here we go. There we go. Read with advertising or subscribe. Yep, this is it, this is the one. Thank you very much for the link Ivan B in Float Plane Chat. This is a perfect example. Here you are agreeing to get a bunch of ads. I mean, in fairness to your take,

even though that may be a somewhat unpopular take with some people, in fairness to your take, even though that may be a somewhat unpopular take with some people, in fairness to your take, this is very transparent. Yeah. My biggest thing is I needed to be transparent. That was my issue with Cookies Forever is so many people didn't know that they were being tracked, so many people didn't know. I guarantee you now, a huge percentage of people don't realize that they're being tracked, that advertisements are being pointed directly towards them based on their own data all this other type of stuff I'm gonna blow your mind some people like it

Yeah I believe you I know you're correct. I have literally seen people complain earnestly like not just trolling complain complain earnestly, like not just trolling, complain about getting irrelevant ads. They're like, I use ads to like find interesting things to buy. This is the like, this is the... We were talking the other day about,

I was watching a live stream for Stormgate. And this is not a gate Stormgate at all to be clear but there was a like dog style combat unit on the screen and the twitch chat blew up talking about how they wanted to buy they want to buy all these different skins for the dog unit and I'm like like what happened to gamers I don't I don't get it I'm not is it me or is it the kids or whatever however that quotes goes but yeah this is this is one of those situations where like I'm at least happy that this wall is here and if I'm the host of this website and it's like yeah you know I don't want to have people on my website that aren't either paying or sharing

their data with apparently 156 partners. Then, yeah, I mean, I think that's fine. Your website is going to get a lot less traffic. You're probably never going to go viral or pop off or any of those types of things, but that's the decision that you're making as a web host. I don't know. I don't think it's going to go viral or pop off or any of those types of things but that's the decision that you're making as a web host I don't know I don't think it's gonna go well for you but it feels like to me like it's something that you should be able to do if you if you hate people trying to buy skins for the dog don't watch Elijah's ultimate tech upgrade all right I will not do that I I spent a not insignificant

amount of it and our lunch we headed to Seven Oaks Mall for a crew lunch trying to convince him to sell his what's the I forget what they're called not you twos the other one the more popular one. I don't know the little things. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, sure. I have no shoot Whatever Funko's punko's Funko pop. Yeah. Yeah, I Spent a not insignificant amount of it trying to convince him to sell his collection of Funko pops Yeah, cuz he has like a genuinely insane amount in the video in the video He says yeah, if I sold them all I could probably be completely out of debt

Yeah, that was that was the look on my face Whoa no, okay, I don't think he was necessarily including like a mortgage, okay? But like no like like the worst kind of debt He has credit card yet. I don't know if it's credit card ugh okay I don't know if it's- if you're sitting on that

aww I don't know if it's student loans or credit card now I didn't even watch it and you've bothered me so much ugh okay student loans? okay, it could be student loans yeah, it could be, yeah

that's way more reasonable it could be anything let's assume it's not credit card debt let's It could be anything. Let's assume it's not credit card. Let's assume it's not. Okay. Let's assume it's not. Cool. But if you have any kind of debt,

other than a mortgage. Totally. And you have something of significant value, guys, you are going to be blown away by the sheer volume of plastic in Elijah's home. Oh, interesting. Does this make do I suck? Because if it was Lego, I probably wouldn't judge as much. Yeah. Does that make me suck? Probably? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'll take that. Sure. Yep. Yeah. No. And and and to be clear, like, I fully acknowledged to him that there have been things

that I have collected. I forget what the example I gave him was. You got a LEGO? You got a nice LEGO? Yeah, I've got a LEGO. I will tell you this, I didn't have any LEGO until my house was paid off. So there's that. But I definitely had a nice computer. We are, I'm saying we, because you are in this category, even though I always get called out for it, which is fair, but you are also in this category. We are both very cheap.

You don't get to completely squirm away from this one. No, I've never denied it. And as the company has grown, my mentality around it has changed a lot. Yes. Like I still don't like wasting money. I hate, I would rather spend $10,000 than waste $10. If you know what I mean,

like wisely spend 10,000 than waste 10. Yes. Yeah. But no, I was still able to come up with something that I collected and there were definitely impractical purchases I made. Looking back, buying designer breed cats was like the stupidest f***ing thing ever. I wouldn't do that again. In fact, I don't. Our last four cats literally were scavenged from our yard because they were little kittens and they were going to die and then scavenged from the shed of our neighbor's friend because they were little kittens and they had no home. That's where you should get a cat from. I have made mistakes. Sure, we all do, yeah. But I just, you know, it is very, it was a very painful

theme for me to be surrounded by so much value of stuff when there are clearly higher priorities. But you know what, the thing is that- To each their own at the same time, if you enjoy something, if it... See, I think my biggest problem with it is I cannot relate to it genuinely bringing me any form of happiness at all. If it brings him happiness, if he thinks it's genuinely worth it, all that kind of stuff, you know what? Go to town. Okay. It's just I'm just personally not into it. What if it genuinely gives people happiness to put a Dalmatian skin on that dog? What if it genuinely gives them happiness? I still...

It's like that thing where like, I'll fight for your right to have an opinion that I don't agree with. It's like that kind of a thing. Like sure dude, do whatever if it makes you happy. I don't think it's cool and when I see if I see you running around in a video game with like a $400 skin I'm going to laugh. But I'm gonna defend my right to laugh at it too. Like it's, but you know what if if it genuinely makes you happy that shouldn't bother you. Who cares what I think?

Well, except that it does impact you because it has changed the entire calculus that game developers use to develop their product. Yeah, because like Funko Pops haven't changed anything for me. No, they're just random plastic that some people can buy. Maybe that is why. Yeah. Yeah. Good job.

Yeah. Because that sucks. Maybe that is why yeah Yeah, good job Yeah, cuz that sucks and it hasn't infested everything. Yep, and Elijah made a lot of stuff Elijah made some wise choices most of his upgrade was really centered around his streaming setup and he's apparently averaging about 80 concurrence now, which is Growing which is something that doesn't maybe sound like a lot if you compare it to the likes of summit or whatever it's a lot when you compare it to grinding at one viewer millions of people that are streaming to nobody I'm pretty sure genuinely having 80 viewers puts him in like probably top 1% or less oh he he means now because I think it's above 6

he's in he's in the top 0.3 percent on the platform now. Yeah. Yeah, like six viewers is top 1% Oh, that's what you're saying. Yeah Yeah, no, he's he's he's up there and the best yeah And so he's actually so I was very encouraging of like anything he was doing to improve the stream Yeah, that's cool except and he cares about it a lot. I know that part. Except I found a box of model rocket engines. Oh. Yeah, the face you're making tells me you don't know what he's planning to do with it. Oh. He apparently already tried this once, where he tried to do a rocket assisted punch Using 3d printed like gauntlets and burned his arm

I tried to confiscate them Colin wouldn't let me Well, I told him I'd pay for them Okay, that's a that's an ethical but I didn't want him to have them Yeah, cuz I think he's gonna do it again. You shouldn't have paid for them though Because then he's just gonna buy more It's not very effective Hmm, you just you should have just stole them the ethical thing would have been that I think I think you're actually right I think the I think the ethical thing to do would have been to steal them. Yeah, I

Could still do it. I mean I know where he lives now. Yeah We're gonna have to do that. I think okay, you're gonna have to get yeah, I think it's the right thing to do sometimes theft is Actually the answer. Yeah, I Told him you can watch I show him you can watch iShow Speed. You can enjoy iShow Speed. Don't try to jump over a car. Don't model your life after iShow Speed. Yeah. When he set his house on fire it was fake wasn't it? I know Kai Sennatz was. I don't know. Don't set your house on fire. Yeah, don't set your house on fire. Wait, he didn't do it inside did he? The rocket punch? I don't know. Yeah, don't set your house on fire. Wait, he didn't do it inside, did he? The rocket punch?

I don't know. I don't know. He just shouldn't do it at all. You never really know. Look, Elijah's precious, and we must protect him at all costs. Even the cost of stealing his things. Oh, speaking of costs, it costs a lot to sponsor this show. Yeah. The show is brought to you today by LG.

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All right, Dan, why don't you hit us with some merchandise massages? Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's all massages for you. Hi, LLD.

Recently a DLC for, oh yeah, sorry. Hi, LLD, recently a DLC for Risk of Rain 2 came out that brought a lot of bugs and tarnished the game after the CO, Hoopoo, sold to Gearbox. Do devs that sold their IP deserve money for their game being defamed? Uhhhh... no. I mean, yeah, once you sell it, like, it's kind of like... This is why Like first of all look in the mirror brother and second of all you sold it I don't really

Do devs that sold their IP deserve money for their game being like kind of screwed up? Yeah, no, no, once you sell it you give up control. And this is why You didn't sell Linus Media Group. Well, not why, it's part of why Like it's you you're relinquishing everything when you sell it. That's the whole point You don't get to you don't get to get your cake and eat it, too Yeah It's not yours anymore. Yeah, so, sorry, I realized I was mic'd there because I was eating a bite of my pizza.

Um, I was saying it's kind of like, you know, George Lucas whining about what Disney did to Star Wars. First of all, look in the mirror, buddy, and second of all, um... Look at McAfee. You sold it. Yeah, you sold it. Yeah, well, yeah. There is a lot on rabbit hair, but... Yeah, that's a deep rabbit hole You won't be able to look at him very easily today

I mean shovels exist. Oh my if that's even what happened nobody knows But yeah, I don't know like it that sucks I didn't kill them so I feel bad for them. But at the same time you sold, right? Like it's, that's what happens when you sell, it's not yours anymore. And your customers have every right to be angry at you for selling out. Because that's literally the definition of selling out. And they can also be angry at the company that ruined it.

Yep, they can be angry in general because this is something that they loved. There's nothing that they can really do about it. It is what it is, but they can be mad, absolutely. Yep. That's all... That's all part of it. Hi, responsible, big, and small one. There was once a time when...

You're responsible? I don't know. You get the responsible one? They don't know me at all. We're only described by size. And you get responsible? I don't know. You get the responsible one? They don't know me at all. We're only described by size. And you get responsible? Maybe they don't know how sized I am. Or maybe...

I don't know. I feel like they probably do. They're wrong. Anyways, we can keep going. There was once a time with desktop CPUs and laptops, but due to Intel having only two Gens per socket, it didn't make any sense. Why do you think we never saw that for AM4? All right, I think you may have your wires crossed a little bit. There was a time with socketed laptop processors back in the day, and you could

make the argument that part of the problem was that Intel would only support a particular argument that part of the problem was that Intel would only support a particular platform with new CPUs for one or two generations, but the real issue was that the volume of those laptops that were sold were so little that even with multiple generations of CPUs going into them, you couldn't move enough of them to justify the R and D that it would cost to create them. Now that's separate from the once upon a time of desktop CPUs and laptops that absolutely exists today and absolutely did exist for AM4. Desktop, processor, laptop.

Clevo is a company that does all kinds of wild stuff. And here you go. This is from two years ago. The XMG Apex 50 Max with B550 chipset, AM4 socket and RTX 3060. Here's a thing. Oh wait, this is just a German translation. The point is XMG is just like a

dealer for Clevo and Man, some of the other ones don't spring to mind right now, but Clevo in particular has done a lot of Desktop CPU laptops and they definitely have existed for aim for I'm not sure if anyone's done an AM 5 one have existed for aim for I'm not sure if anyone's done an AM five one I I'm not aware of any but I wouldn't put it. I wouldn't put it beyond anybody No, I haven't actually I don't I don't immediately see any there's also not that much of a point these days like the mobile Zen five stuff is Really really good and most of the benefit of these desktop chips is having a higher power envelope.

But these mobile chips are, the desktop chips are coming down in the amount of power that they need anyway. And these mobile chips are able to turbo a core or two cores up to frequencies that are on par almost in many cases with these desktop chips. And most of the loads that most people are, yeah, most of the loads that most people are using on a laptop are only going to take advantage

of a couple of cores running at peak turbo anyway. So it's, there's just not much of a benefit these days. And it's hard to create an attractive design that has to deal with all that heat when you're going up against products that are honestly pretty competitive anyway and are like this thin. Okay, and last one for now. Hey, DLL, you never mentioned what part failed on the lowest rated PC. I'm really curious what died.

We still don't know. We didn't really invest a bunch of time in figuring it out because we just didn't really care. I mean, the whole point of that video was we bought the worst stuff that in many cases was really low rated because of its high probability of failure Okay, oh it's dead now we've made our video. I don't really see what else there is to we made our point so No further testing required.

I mean, this is the thing that I feel like has been controversial at some point in the past, but once you know a certain amount about a product, I remember this coming up when we did our. I'm gonna go outside and talk to you guys in a half hour. I don't know what you guys think I'm talking about, but we did our true wireless headphones roundup. Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense, about, but we did our true wireless headphones roundup. Okay, yeah, that makes sense, yeah.

When we did our true wireless headphones roundup way back in the day, one of the initial categories, or one of the initial evaluation criteria was comfort. Because from our point of view, it could sound like God's lips whispering into your ears. But if it sucks to wear. But if it was extremely uncomfortable, we weren't going to recommend it. Yep. So some people took issue with that particular conclusion because to them comfort- Probably cared about the audio quality.

Was not important. Like they didn't necessarily agree with the tiered approach that we had taken to whittling down our contestants. But the reality of it was we had like 50 wireless headphones. We couldn't put all of them through the suite, especially when, like if we found something that had 35 minutes of battery life, who cares? If you're not even listening to an entire album before you have to charge it,

it's uncompetitive and it's not relevant, right? And so, so there are cases where, you know, say for example, even if the performance did live up to what the manufacturer claimed, if the cost and utter inconvenience of using it, not to mention incompatibility with any other part of the ecosystem, already disqualified it from consideration, it's just not really relevant. And so in the same way, the lowest PC, we had evaluated it for what it was. A crappy computer that had a high likelihood of failure, diagnosing what exactly in particular about it failed, was not relevant for telling the story of this particular product or collection of products. It wasn't it wasn't relevant to the story

All right, what else you got? Are you on a fourth? There sure why not? Okay, let's see rule breakers. I Cheating hey Linus Luke and Dan. Oh, wow a normal one for once. My wife is crunchy. Okay, never mind I love to install smart home tech, but her friends and family think I'm causing health problems with all of it.

Do you have any thoughts on its effects? Well, if you wrap your whole bodies with just little like holes in particular areas with tin foil, you're fine. Jared Slauson Yeah. Then they should be, they should be able to be crunchy and still safe. Pete Slauson Sound crunchy as well. Jared Slauson I don't know. There's a subset of the population that seems to treat science like a sort of religion. And it works both ways.

There are people who are pro-science who treat it like a religion, and there are people who are anti-science and treat it like a religion. But science is not a religion. Science is inherently different from that in that it is constantly evolving and challenging itself to do better as a system of shaping our worldviews, theoretically. But because there are people on both sides of the pro or anti-science argument that treat it like religion, it sometimes gets extremely muddy. If you're dealing with those people on either end of the spectrum and you try to have a conversation about

what our knowledge base tells us at this current time, you are bound to be met with resistance. So what I'm trying to say is if someone believes now that wifi or smart home tech is harmful to the human body, you are unlikely to change their mind in the only way that could possibly change their mind, which would be to show them the facts about the impact of that radiation on their body

compared to just an hour of sitting out in the sun. Eating a banana. But I would say if you want some amount of compromise it might not be a bad idea to know Wi-Fi zone parts of your house. Like something Emma and I have started doing is a very hardcore no phones in bed rule Not allowed That's it Just no no like for anything so it's interesting and I genuinely think That has been life-improving

Because even if it's like I'm just gonna degen and scroll on my phone, well, okay, get up. Yeah. Which I think is good because half the time we're both so ADD that by the time we've gotten up, it's like, well, now there's things to do. So I'm not gonna sit and just like scroll on my phone. So it might be a decent idea just because I think a lot of modern life and a lot of people in modern life are too terminally connected to the internet to have certain areas of the house that like aren't like that was your priority yeah there's other activities there's things to do like sleep hmm

hmm top idea uh-huh oh that was dangerous I didn't even do it I'm just gonna put that away all right now what are we supposed to be doing Dan no more topics sure let's do that more topics yeah I think we have that power dude where's my Tesla according to the San Francisco Chronicle, Oakland law enforcement sought to obtain warrants to tow Teslas, not because they were parked illegally or were involved in any kind of illicit activity, but because they happened to be parked near possible crime scenes on three separate occasions between July and August of this year. On three separate occasions between July and August of this year, police apparently wanted to obtain footage collected by the car's external cameras. So by simply driving a Tesla and parking it somewhere, you could be turning your car into a surveillance station for Oakland law enforcement. A representative of the Richmond California Police Officers Association told the Chronicle

that this is a common practice and that officers will typically try to contact a vehicle owner to solicit voluntary cooperation, but they will resort to getting a warrant to tow the vehicle if they don't receive a timely Response I'm just gonna say man Nothing really happens that makes me not Everything that happens in the automotive space makes me more and more happy that I have the car that I have Nothing happens in the automotive space. Really? There's like maybe something here there very rarely that actually makes me like want a different car all of this stuff is like oh sweet my car will never be involved in this yeah that's awesome i don't want my car to randomly get towed because some officer dude is like yeah i could like another angle like that sucks i don't want to deal with that at all

tell me this though if they asked nicely, and they were like, yeah, someone was mugged here and probably your car was parked there. Would you would you cooperate with law enforcement if it, you know, could help them track down some narrative? Well, you know what I'd probably do is I'd go look at it myself and then determine Because we've seen enough Enough not good stuff That I'd like to know basically

Yep, that's fair enough to all speaking of law enforcement Unfortunately, the collab with the Maple Ridge guys on the big phone bust is not going to happen. Yeah, they need everything for evidence, whatever. We can't get access to any of the devices. So that's a bummer. I had really hoped to be able to kind of talk through exactly how the scam works. I thought it would have been a really cool like public service or, yeah, PSA, public service announcement. But unfortunately, the wheels of justice turn slowly and really weirdly sometimes. So even though my understanding is they have like a ton of devices as part of the bust, they can't spare any because they need it.

That's a bummer. No, this is a bummer. Windows mixed reality is disappearing. Now, to be clear, I don't care. I never really understood what the point of Windows Mixed Reality is, so maybe if there's someone who's an enthusiast out there, I'd love to hear from you, because as far as I could tell, the main attraction for Windows Mixed Reality devices was just that you could run them in SteamVR. Like, I couldn't figure out anything I needed to do in Windows Mixed Reality. So I don't personally care.

But what is a bummer is anything that people have invested significant money into just going away. And that's what's happening. All those headsets, even ones that people paid hundreds of dollars for, some that launched as recently as October of 2020 and were sold until late last year

are set to be deprecated in version 24H2 of Windows 11, which will soon roll out to most users. Users who remain on 23H2 will continue to be able to use their headsets, but this will likely stop working by November of 2026. Furthermore, according to a former Microsoft employee, much of the system's backend will be difficult or impossible to replace,

either because it's a black box to users or because it is completely lacking in public documentation. So guys- So does this include HoloLens? Oh, apparently there was a cool Halo game? No, HoloLens is separate. That's augmented reality and it's its own standalone device. It's called mixed reality on Microsoft's website.

Yeah, it's not the same as Windows Mixed Reality though, it's a completely different business unit, like it's a completely different, I don't know if it's a separate business unit, but it's a separate team for sure. There's like big serious industry stuff that uses that, so I was gonna be pretty surprised. No, no, no, this isn't that.

Okay, I am not, nobody seems to, people still, yeah, nobody seems to, what even is Windows Mixed Reality? Yeah, we reviewed one headset. One time ago. And then had a bunch of brands like Samsung, Acer, I forget which one we covered, but we had a bunch of brands like,

hey, do you wanna cover our Windows Mixed Reality? I was like, no. A lot of brands like Samsung, Acer, I forget which one we covered but we had a bunch of brands like hey do you want to cover our Windows Mixed Reality has some? Like no. A lot of brands jumped on it. What would I even say about it? Well Microsoft seems to provide a significant amount of resources to help them push their initiatives. This one just seemed extremely misguided. Yeah. Like I couldn't figure out who if anyone was asking for this. I don't even know what it did really. Nobody really knew what was even going on. In like, when they launched that, that was like the wild west of VR. And I think they kind of did that and HoloLens at the same time and then just decided, alright,

well no one really liked this anyway so let's just go the HoloLens route. I wish they didn't pull support for it, but I understand them not wanting to drive it forward more, if that makes sense. Great website. It levitates. Ooh. What is it though? Well, not bad. Uh, before you start? They don't say why I need it. You're muted.

Oh. They never say at any point why I need it. You might be mute, King now. I might have lost my title. need it you might be mute king now I might have lost my title yeah, I might be mute king now. I'm gonna do better. I'm gonna do better This is full of how but not why does anyone have any resources that might explain Why Windows mixed reality like it seems to be just? Instead of steam VR is that is that what it is? You get apps or like...

Is it like a runtime? Because there's SteamVR, there's the Oculus One. I don't know. I don't know if anyone really understood what it was. It looks like it's a runtime of some kind. It's a blend of physical and digital worlds unlocking natural and intuitive 3d human computer and environmental interaction Yeah, but like but but but but but but is it though like what? um oh Man look at these amazing resources here that just don't answer my question at all Okay, well

Trou troubling news anyway let's see how do you want to talk about Concord I sure it was a huge news this week I don't know if I've ever seen more actually nope I lied I think the Borderlands movie probably comes close to... More discussion about a thing nobody did. More discussion about a thing absolutely nobody actually did.

PlayStation announced that they would be taking Live Service Hero Shooter Concord offline less than two weeks after the game's official launch. This is huge, not because live service games don't get pulled offline all the time, but because the game had allegedly been in development for eight years, costing... 200 million. According to some estimates,

hundreds of millions of dollars to develop. I have no idea if this is legit. I've heard the $200 million price point thrown around a bunch of times I've also spoken with some some people who pay attention to you know PlayStation who are pretty miffed about the whole thing in general because this was just Sony in their mind chasing that live service game cash at the expense of the kinds of rich single-player experiences that PlayStation has been so well

known for. And honestly how they won the current console generation. Yes. And so they've been really frustrated that so much development has gone into this piece of crap that could have gone into games that they could buy for their flippin' PlayStation and instead they have nothing to play right now. Yeah. The only person that I know that played it or bought it is Conrad and Conrad said that he thought it was pretty alright. If I remember correctly he said he thought it

was about a seven out of ten. While some argue the game was solid there were some strange design decisions such as encouraging players to switch characters on respawn to get buffs for their team. When players typically like to stick to their mains in character focused games. I hate that decision with a fiery passion. That was so dumb. Wow.

So I read that for the first time. I didn't know about that until I saw the WANDOC originally. I was skimming through topics and I saw that and I was just like, what? Are you kidding me? You know what's funny is as a casual, I'm like, oh yeah, that seems like a good idea. But no.

Like encouraging people to try different play styles and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like I can understand. Honestly, I don't even agree as a casual. Because. You're not a casual, so. Because, well, fair enough. If you get tossed from one character to another. even agree as a casual because you're not a casual so because I well I didn't fair enough if you get tossed from any hours he has in like league those are old just take take whatever he says as the ramblings that it is on the way and

show what's going wrong this is this is the compliment from Linus the the idea is a casual that you'll spend some amount of time getting used to a character, and then just as you're finally like, you've learned most their abilities, you're kind of getting the groove, and then it's like, nope, ha ha! But remember, it would level things the other way as well. Not really.

You're gonna have- I feel like it would make it harder to catch up, personally. You're gonna have the obsessives that know absolutely every class. Within two days because they stayed up for 48 hours. But, but I think a lot of people jumping in would, it would take, I think the intent was that it would take a little longer for people to master everything and it would force people to, to kind of level themselves up in a more balanced way and maybe find new play styles that they otherwise wouldn't bother to find. I understand the intent.

But it's not going to happen. You have to understand human behavior. But that's the... well not just human behavior. What you're going to get is... You need to understand that player-based behavior. That too. But I straight up believe... I can't say that I guarantee that this happened just because so few people played But if a lot of people did actually play I guarantee you a thing that you would have is people that immediately dodge on character respawn So like I don't want to play this all that for

hmm Promise you that would happen. Yep there's so many things the the you that would happen. Yep. There's so many things. The the if you are at a computer connected to the internet, the options that you have are practically infinite. If you spawn as a character that you hate, why are you going to keep playing? Just quit. People already dodge if they don't get to pick their favorite character in other games because someone else picked it and they are unwilling to take their second favorite character. Now you're gonna give them a completely random dice roll? It's not gonna work. Terrible decision.

Hate it. The game isn't dead per se. Game director Ryan Ellis says they're going to determine the best path forward. And in the meantime, every person who bought the game will be receiving a refund. So that's something. Although... That's very nice. It's less of a gracious thing than it probably sounds like because it's in the grand scheme of things. Oh, because there's not a ton of money. Not a ton of money. People have bought it.

Oh! This failure has caused concern about PlayStation's future live service titles such as Marathon. Yeah, I know there's a lot of concern around Marathon. Hopefully it works out. I really hope it does. In other news, maybe our phones really are listening. I have, this is a particular conspiracy theory that I have absolutely gone full tinfoil hat on. I do believe that whatever people say, our devices are listening to us because I have had experiences and we've tested it and

people still and like I don't know yeah people just say it's always it's it's coincidence I'm like it can't be it can't be there have been times when I know for a fact that and and not like I knew for a fact that I didn't Click through that phishing email Okay, there have been times that I have known for a fact that I didn't look this up on my phone I didn't look this up on a computer or you didn't look it up at all I was just talking to people and I have gotten ads for things So in a recent pitch deck to prospective advertising partners, Cox Media Group, appropriate name

by the way, claimed that they can listen to users through their smart devices microphone using so-called active listening software. This same pitch deck cites Amazon, Google, and Meta as some of the company's major clients. When reached for comment by 404 Media, Meta and Amazon acknowledged their partnership with CMG, but denied participating in this active listening program and made vague statements about how partners who were found to have violated their standards would be reviewed. This sounds an awful lot, like the kind of couple degrees of separation that we see with these corporations and say, for example, or excuse me and say for example, excuse me, say for example their delivery driver contracting partner, yeah, or

warehousing contracting partner, oh someone got crushed by a forklift in that warehouse that well we don't own it and we we disavow that particular contractor, that warehouse, that company is going to be closed down and respawn up by the people, by the money people and then renegotiate a deal with Amazon overnight. Like that's how the whole grift works. So yeah, maybe they didn't participate in Cox Media Group's active listening program, but maybe they participated in an intermediary

who did participate, but they didn't know. The point is I have definitely gotten ads for stuff that I've just talked about. Google, meanwhile, appears to have responded by removing CMG from its list of premier partners. The pitch deck likewise claims that this active listening is legal and compares it favorably to a Black Mirror episode.

It calls the company's own program creepy? Sure. Great for marketing Definitely, that's a quote Holy crap, oh man. Yeah, so speaking of that that that guy with the crunchy wife You know certain parts of your house not having Any connectivity I'm gonna leave you to do a topic or two cuz I drank all of this no problem I'm gonna watch the minecraft movie trailer. I'm going to leave you to do a topic or two, because I drank all of this. No problem.

I'm going to watch the Minecraft movie trailer. I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah, don't watch it. Yeah, watch it, watch it, watch it. I've already seen it. What? No. Hey, don't watch it on stream.

Just watch it and react. Oh, is that going to be fun? You think it's going to be fun? I don't know. I haven't watched it. We watched it together. We're going to hold hands. The stream doesn't get to see it, though?

No, we just get to see us start crying. I can't hear it, we watched it together. We're gonna hold hands. The stream doesn't get to see it though? No, we just get to see us like start crying. I can't hear it though? Well, I need to make that happen. Do I need to hear it? I mean, they can't hear it though. Cause it's gonna play music and stuff. I guess so. Wow, this looks horrible.

We're like 10 seconds in. I'm watching it. Why is it live action? I am so tired of live action stuff. Why would you even do that? Oh, God. What? I don't, I don't understand.

Why? Okay. So is this like an attempt at a Lego movie, but badly? Is this like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids? Yeah, it's got Jack Black in it. They just accidentally fall into the Minecraft heroes? They must fall into Minecraft. So he's Steve, I'm sure, and then these are just random humans I'm assuming. I guess so. Okay, you know the scenes that don't have people in them look a lot better. If they don't have people scenes that don't have people in them look a lot better.

If they don't have people, and they don't have Minecraft animals, they look a lot better. Yeah, yeah, I mean where is like the cutesy character? Like is that the cutesy character? Because everybody has to have a cute sidekick. You have to have a plush that you can sell. Yeah exactly. Stuffed llama makes sense. Except it's...

It's kind of icky. And digital Legos. The Minecraft movie is not targeting the original Minecraft audience. It's targeting the 10 year olds and under. My kid thinks it's hilarious. Obviously. Cool.

They said they don't care that it's bad because it's not meant for you, it's for kids. Okay. Well, when people make good kids content, it ends up being for everyone. Yeah, you make good things for kids. The one that I hear all the time is Bluey. I was gonna say Bluey. Bluey's like, probably the only example. Sure, but that's good.

You just make a good movie that is just kid-friendly. You don't have to be like, you're an adult! You don't get to like this! You can make it for both people. Like, what was it, the Lego movie. That did really well and was approachable for a lot of people. The Lego movie was great. And was was approachable for a lot of people and it was great And was a kids movie everything is awesome except the sequels if you live in every other Attempt at doing that yeah, I don't I don't know I don't know everything is awesome

If you're in the first movie of the Lego movie before it was ruined by being successful And if you make a spaceship, because that scene was awesome. Spongebob! It was all good. Spongebob! It was fun. Even if it was just a advertisement.

Yeah. But sometimes people with passion can make advertisements. Look at Dennis! Yeah. Dennis makes fun ads. Dennis should make the next Minecraft movie No

Because he should stay here. I mean it's sponsored by LTT store What about you like all the topics no, they're still okay. There's a bunch of a bunch of mine. I'll take it back I'll do an AI topic cuz Linus won't care anyways, uh federal prosecutor has been Federal prosecutor have charged an American musician okay with defrauding multiple streaming services to the tune of ten million dollars using AI Michael Smith allegedly used AI that's the fakest sounding name in the world. So I don't know Michael Smith allegedly used AI to make hundreds of thousands of songs which he then attributed to fake bands like Calais Post and

Calorie Screams Like bands that start with C and have two words he then reportedly used bots to stream those fake songs billions of times and collected the royalties over three thousand dollars a day over the course of seven years. Wow! Crazy. How many AI scans will he have where the illegal element of the scheme really has nothing to do with AI? A bunch of them, I'm sure. By the way, you misunderstood the Concord thing. You didn't get a random character on respawn. Just a small bonus if you chose to switch. Oh. There, are you okay with it now?

Okay. Because then min-maxing gameplay is gonna result in you switching characters. Which people will do. People don't play games for fun anymore. Everyone thinks they're gonna be MLG Super Pro. It's crazy, but it's a thing. You know it. Mm-hmm. Everyone's like, I'm gonna be the international masters. I'm gonna be amazing. It's like, no. No, you're not. Just have fun. Anyways. Connor is reviewing the video removal video right now with Plouf.

reviewing the video removal video right now with Ploof. Nice. They snagged me to ask me a couple quick things and I was like, yeah guys, don't be here till one in the morning, just if there's a little bit less visuals and animations than usual. Come on. What are your thoughts on the Minecraft trailer? Have your kids seen it? Here's a good question.

No. Okay. I wonder what your kids think. Because everyone in the Float full point chat was like it's not for you. It's for kids Uh, I was like content if you my kids wouldn't even know who Jack Black is It does if that matters then it's for adults. So your argument sucks I Can say what I think about it sure I? Think I can say what I think about it. Sure. I think... there was actually some really good material there.

Oh, I couldn't... I didn't have audio. That might have hurt it. No, there wasn't much. There wasn't much in the way of audio. I think the movie could have actually been really cool if they went super meta on the whole thing at the very end they're like who are you and Jack Black stands there looking like Jack Black like he's going to the grocery store and he just says Jack and he says I'm Jack Black and if it turned out that like he was streaming Minecraft or something like I

think there could have been room for them to go like super meta and he's a and he's like a celebrity streamer and there's some kind of like because as a seed as a as a piece of sand forming a crystal if If he had just stood there and said, I'm Jack Black, and like, then something, I don't know, something interesting. It's almost like a more, like a Matrix, like Inception, like kind of, I don't know.

That'd be, yeah, see, okay, Anne Frost agrees, that'd be a cool framing device. That would be cool. So am I judging the trailer properly? They fell into the Minecraft universe, and now they're stuck, the family or whatever that group of people is? I think so.

And then Jack Black is just Steve. He's Steve. It would be more interesting if they had to work with the streamer person to figure out how to beat the game so that they could get out. And people were stream sniping to try to prevent them because they were sent there. Oh man, the faction of people that like formed

to try to stop them from getting out of the game would be so interesting. And like Twitch Plays could like, I don't know, who knows, right? They fall into a sub-universe where it's all the weird mods. But I was sitting there. Right?

Like there's hundreds of, you could do so much with it. Dude, I was sitting there, I was sitting there going, oh my God, he's gonna say, I'm sitting there. Right? Like there's hundreds of, you could do so much with it. Dude, I was sitting there, I was sitting there going, oh my God, he's gonna say, I'm Jack Black. He already is the actor that more than almost anyone else just plays himself. Yeah.

So they go full like self-awareness and he just goes, I'm Jack Black. And he goes, I'm Steve. And I was like, what? Yeah. What do you mean you're Steve? You don't even, you don't even look like Steve. Yeah.

Like you just, what are you even talking about? Yeah. So that's my pitch, that's my pitch. They can save this, they just have to start over. They just have to Sonic movie it? I'm Herobrine. That's what he should have said. That would my pitch. They can save this. They just have to start over. They just have to Sonic movie it? I'm hero Brian. That's what he should have said. That would have been sick. That would have been sick.

That would have been sick. Dude, I- He's actually just a real person. I don't even mind. Trapped in Minecraft. Yeah. Deep lore. I see a lot of people upset about the mix of animation and, um, and live action. I don't even mind that. I'm kind of animation and live action?

I don't even mind that. I'm kind of tired of live action stuff a little bit. I don't even mind that if he's like, I'm Jack Black. It makes it instantly, infinitely better. People are like, that's a sick pitch. I'd see that. There's even like the like log off scene when the streamer like goes to bed or something,

or maybe their mom like yells at them for being on the computer and then they just like and then the people are like oh we're in this like on our own now there's like so many things that they could take from the streaming like online content creation Minecraft public server like oh man yeah like they like someone someone manages to unlock creative mode. And like, you could do like a bizarre hacking scene where like they like try to get them into creative in a public server and they have to achieve something

or whatever, right? Like there's so much, there's such a rich community around Minecraft and instead they did that. Having a having like a war with the people that are trying to keep them in the game where they make those like those like moving structures that people do with the the goo in the pistons and they're like shooting the TNT cannons because they're... Or they build something they build something out of redstone that like, solves some kind of problem for them with like logic gates.

And it'd be really sick if the thing that they build out of redstone is actually reproducible in the game so that like people that get inspired by that could go into like more advanced creation within Minecraft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, I talked about this topic while you were gone. To be clear, it doesn't look low effort or anything. It just looks kind of bad. That's all. It looked kind of bad.

I didn't, I don't think I was too interested in it. The Internet Archive lost their appeal. That's not to say they're not still appealing. No, well, okay. I don't know if they're filed another appeal appealing. Well, okay, I don't know if they're filed another appeal, but okay, you get it. An appeals court has ruled against the Internet Archive in the case brought by several prominent book publishers. The court has likewise forcefully rejected the principle of controlled digital lending, which libraries across the US have used

to justify buying a physical book, digitizing that book, and lending the digital copy as if it were a physical book rather than by often pricey or wholly unavailable digital licenses. According to the court, the practice does not fall under fair use or existing jurisprudence. Likewise, the court held that the Internet Archive's use was not transformative and served the same purpose as the original, allowing readers to access the author's writing. The court did, however, reject one element of the earlier ruling. The Internet Archive was determined not to be involved

in commercial activity regardless of whether or not the archive sought donations from visitors to its open library and gained non-monetary reputational value. The Internet Archive has a long difficult road ahead of it constantly forever Overall, I think they're a force for good and I wish them for the most part luck The Z2 extreme has been confirmed by AMD at ETH. AMD gave a behind-closed-doors

presentation revealing they are working on a successor to the Z1 Extreme, the chip that powered basically every Steam Deck competitor. The Strixpoint-based D2 Extreme will arrive early next year and AMD says the chip will be able to more than triple battery life during high-end gaming. From about 45 minutes to 3 hours on typical devices. Crazy. Part of that savings though, will come from new features like AMD's fluid motion frames or frame generation. So is it real performance? I leave that up to you guys. It may already be in the hands of man, have handheld manufacturers.

According to Windows Central, Lenovo is already working on a Strix point based Legion Go. And this may be the processor that powers it. Our discussion question here is, what does this mean for the Steam Deck and how should Valve respond? I think sometime next year is probably time for Steam Deck too.

I also think in Valve fashion, they might just not, they sort of prove their point. They did what they needed to. They don't have to release another Steam Deck. I hope they do. I really hope they do. But sometimes Valve seems to just like kind of show up in a space and push the space forward and then fade away.

I think you make it sound a lot more intentional than it probably is. Oh yeah, it's probably just people get bored and then they can work on whatever the heck they want so they just don't bother work on the next one. I think they'll do another Steam Deck. I hope they do. Because what no one else can replace that Valve can do is the console model, subsidizing the hardware with the royalties or with the fees that they collect on software sales. If they do release one. Nobody else can do that.

I think I want one this time. You're ready. I think I finally do want one. Yeah. There's been enough times where I'm like, yeah, you know what? I really should just have that right now so that I could do something. It's not even always gaming. Yep. It's just like that would be the by far the most convenient platform for me to be using right now. I don't know.

This is an interesting one to me. X is banned in Brazil. A panel of Brazilian Supreme Court justices has decided to uphold a country-wide ban on X. This was specifically in response to the company refusing to appoint a legal representative in the country, but it was part of a long-term dispute where Elon Musk refused to comply with other orders to take down alleged defamation and disinformation on the platform, on freedom of speech grounds, yada yada yada. It's been a whole thing. But the real discussion here for me is this part. In response, many users have migrated to other platforms, especially Blue Sky, which had only half a million users last Friday, but added two million new users in the space of

a few days. Greg Foss Bras Brazil is a big market. And our discussion question here, and oh, I'd like to clarify something from the last WAN show. Some people... I couldn't even find that. Understood what I meant. I had no idea what...

I didn't remember you saying that. What I said was that Brazil was a relatively unimportant market where Elon was making a stand whereas he complied in other ones that were more important to him. And I wasn't saying Brazil's a small market. Brazil's not a small market. What I was saying was that it was a relatively unimportant one and his principles were not being applied equally in different territories.

Someone actually posted an excellent summary on the forum of what my point was and I was like, yes, this. And then that thread completely de-escalated, right? I don't know. I'm not gonna bring it up right now, though But the conversation that I wanted to have here was what I guess but anyways are our current social media platforms as immortal as We think they are like we've talked about this a fair bit, especially when there was all that hullabaloo over on reddit We've talked about this a fair bit, especially when there was all that hullabaloo over on Reddit

with the API charging and all the cool services and alternate readers and stuff that were getting shut down. And then- Practically nothing happened. And practically nothing happened. And you've kind of lamented the current state where these incumbents have so much power and so much momentum and such a huge back catalog

that they seemingly cannot be replaced and yet here we are Twitter got kicked out of Brazil and immediately blue sky got sucked into the void that it left immediately I suspect that this is pretty much the only thing that can disrupt that space effectively right now. If you look at all of the social media platforms, they're all old. And I think that's largely because of technology gap and expensive startup effectively. It's not very reasonable to try to make a YouTube right now. Just to be honest, it just isn't't there's no one's gonna compete with them if Microsoft tried they would fail so like if that's the case what are you gonna do they couldn't even compete with twitch and that's like me hmm yeah well just a small part of what YouTube is which itself isn't even super viable

so like yeah I don't know that's that's a bit of a weird one but yeah it's tough so like maybe government disruption is basically the only thing that can cause that to happen but I suspect as we've pointed out with Apple that this is much more on companies radar now and I think some of these big companies are gonna I don't know I think they're like hey, everything is good. Yay. Hooray. Lego movie is going to make people think that like, oh, all these companies are going to be great. Now,

I suspect just lobbying is going to crank up. Things like that are going to happen and this is going to cool back down. Peer tube slash Fetty verse. Yeah. It's a, it's a cool concept for half of 1% of people. I think it's unlikely cool concept for half of 1% of people. I think it's unlikely to really, and I understand half of 1% of people are now extremely angry with me, but it's just like,

they've existed as options for a long time and normies don't want it. And maybe something changes down the line and it becomes more viable but right now normies don't want it. It is what it is. Yeah I think that in our tech bubble we severely overestimate sometimes the viability of a solution. Yeah. Intel's having some struggles. At the same time that they're launching their new core Ultra 200 V Lunar Lake mobile processors, they're apparently running low on i9-3900K and 14900K chips, most likely due to a mountain of RMA requests.

In some areas of the US, it is apparently taking three to four weeks to have a replacement chip delivered. Reuters likewise reports that Intel's 18A silicon wafers have failed to pass tests set by Broadcom, an important client for Intel's contract manufacturing business. Furthermore, Intel today announced

that it was canceling plans to use its own internal 20A process node for its upcoming Aero Lake processors and would instead be using external chips, most likely from TSMC. The discussion question here is, does Intel have the resources and capacity to survive this? Is there something that could explain all these issues cropping up at the same time? I mean, it's clear they're trying to do a lot right now.

I've said I like Pat Gelsinger's plan. I like the plan. I've said I don't know if they're trying to do a lot right now. I've said I like Pat Gelsinger's plan. I like the plan. I've said I don't know if they're gonna execute on it. It's gonna take a long time, but I like the plan of splitting Intel into the design side and the manufacturing side. I mean, I liked the plan of us kind of splitting ourselves internally

into a media side and a lab side, but it's been clear at times that we bit off a little bit more than we could chew and there have been some gaps, right? It doesn't, it's not for lack of like trying to do your best. The good thing for us is that we are privately held, right? So as long as we're not losing money, then we kind of can write the ship and make the

corrections we need to make at our leisure. If you're a publicly held company and your valuation dips low enough, and you're at risk of something like a hostile takeover. Someone can just start buying up shares. I mean, look what happened with Twitter. So, it's a scary, perilous time for Intel. I still like the plan, and I still hope they can execute on it. Not least of which, just because, not least because I just want to see a competitor to TSMC. Like, we should all be rooting for a valid competitor to TSMC. Like I, we should all be rooting for a valid competitor to TSMC.

No monopoly is good. I mean, look what's happened to the cost of our electronics, guys. Especially the cutting edge stuff. That's not, that's not purely, you know, Nvidia or Apple's greed. In other news, this is fun, AT&T has filed a lawsuit against Broadcom for retroactively changing contracts for perpetual software licenses that it acquired alongside its acquisition of VMware. Am I the only one who's delighted by the irony here? In December, the company announced that it would end those perpetual license sales in favor of bundled subscriptions. Imagine a company whose entire fortune was built on bundled subscriptions and forced subscriptions instead of being

allowed to buy things like set-top boxes, going to court, fighting the good fight for the perpetual licenses that should exist. I for one love it. It's great because I hate to say the corporations because it's just such a it's just such a cliche Right the mega corpse, but the mega corpse they they love Subscriptions they love pay forever. Thanks for the pain. Yeah, exactly. They love pay forever Until all of a sudden the script is flipped in our case go pay forever until all of a sudden the script is flipped in our case and they go But my perpetual license I love it in our case We absolutely have perpetual costs yes, we kind of need to do it that way but

Taking it to the gears on on VMware. I am happy that AT&T is doing that Would I ever say I like AT&T? No. But I'm happy someone with weight to throw around is going after VMware because man, this stuff they've pulled is really frustrating. AT&T uses VMware to run around 75,000 These are these are really dry. Yeah, you've also got you've got like pizza dust all over your laptop What are you gonna do about it? What's going on dude? Wow It's not gonna make it to my laptop totally dead right there. Yeah, you see you look at watch you brushed it off

100% of'll bring you some Huh? No, oh my goodness get out of here. It's a good laptop. It won't break LG Graham. Stop it! No I don't! No stop it! Junk AT&T uses VMware to run around 75,000 virtual machines across 8600 servers That was slimy While AT&T would be able to continue using the software as is, the company claims that Broadcom is refusing

to release support services for the period it is owed. I muted you, I'm sorry. You seemed like you were dying and we didn't need to listen to you die. The last thing that's on the dock for this week is that we finally collaborated with Mr. Who's the Boss and DIY Perks at the same time. What, wait, we worked on that?

Mm-mm, oh. No, they just, basically what Aaron said is like, I don't know, you just seemed like the person who would most appreciate This test we're trying to do and I was like my laptop and I was like, thank you. I am bothered That's so cool. So you guys should go check out their collab video So what was our, how did we, wait Our only involvement was that he thought of me when he wanted to test video calling on it. Oh cool good enough. Yeah, sweet

It's crazy super cool. Yeah, they built the biggest iPhone and it is shockingly iPhone like and shockingly Shockingly functional I expected no less from DIY perks Probably the funniest part of the video is that we had a side conversation during the video call where we just had a video call. You know, I wasn't hosting, he wasn't hosting, we were just talking on our video call and we got onto the subject of my Note 9. He asks me, oh what phone do you use? And I go, oh a Note 9. He's like, that's got to be a bit. And I'm like, nope, that's my phone. I pull it out of my pocket and I show him all the cracks.

He left it in the video. That's pretty funny, actually. Yeah. I've had one of those cases where I thought an interview was gonna, there was gonna be like a minute or two of it at max in a video and then it was just like an uncutcut like half an hour segment. I was like, whoa, okay. Yo. Oh, yeah, he left a ton of our interactions in there I was very surprised cuz normally he's got like a very fast-paced style to his videos, but he left

Literally, I think almost three minutes, yeah, almost three minutes of us doing this video call on this gigantic 88 inch diagonal phone. Really, really cool project. I haven't actually watched the whole thing. It's a 24 minute video and I didn't catch all of it. I've only made it to about 15 minutes, but I'm gonna watch the rest of it so cool Guinness World Record He gets to join the club now

This is cooler than ours Or is pretty cool. Yeah, ours is No Luke nope Luke nope super cool Luke Our started with the Lander win. I have getting a Guinness World Record on my bucket list. What is the easiest thing we can do? You know that His started with let's do something really incredible and cool and see if we can get a world record for it It's a completely different Journey we need to do lowlander. We don't need to do lowlander

You guys know what the idea for lowlander is? There's been various ideas for Lowlander. They're all kind of stupid. There's been one good one. Well, fine. What is the good one? Underwater. Yeah, that's the stupid one.

They're all stupid. Not in like a... Like in a submarine. Yeah. I know, but we're not gonna do that. Be so sick. We're not going in a submarine. Be so sick, though.

Do you wanna ocean gate yourself? No, we got like a real one. Not one made out of, what was it, aluminum? I don't know what it was made of. Carbon fiber. It was carbon fiber. Carbon fiber. All right, that's probably not the best thing to make a slime out of. What?

Oh, you can make things out of carbon fiber, but you have to test them extremely diligently and weave them correctly. This material is extremely good at one thing let's make it do not that see what happens yeah that's a that's a great idea time for after dark okay All right, the buttons are pushed. Are you ready? I'm ready. Oh, this one's not even for you.

Luke, are you ready? Yeah. Hey, Luke, what advice would you give someone who wants to get budgies? What are some unexpected things to caring for them? Can I try? Yeah, let's just give it to William. Yeah, go for it. Okay, way more interaction than you think.

Yeah. You absolutely need a pair of them and you absolutely need to be prepared to spend time with them on a very, very regular basis. I got them. They do have some advantages. Oh, seriously, was I muted that whole time? No, just the start I managed to catch it.

You were muted. Balls. Thanks Dan. So yeah social pairs interact with them way more than you think. They're pretty good as far as cleanup you know that's one of the best things about them is they're relatively low cleanup for a parrot type bird. But you have to be prepared for how extremely fragile they are. Any contaminant in the air and basically, they drop dead. In short, to go back and do it again, I wouldn't recommend. Yeah, you are going to need to change lifestyle things. Like there's cleaners that you can't use around your house that you probably currently use, which being not able to use those is going to make cleaning things more difficult.

And don't be a slob. You're still going to do it. So it takes more effort to clean your place. You can't cook with Teflon. You, you, a lot of cooking fumes, depending on, like someone said, no smoking. Yeah, I just kind of assumed. There's, there's issues with like, do you live in an apartment like most of us these days? Well, it's going to be difficult to do anything that could have any type of fume or any type of air contaminant anywhere in your entire apartment because your apartment's probably not big enough.

Want to take up painting models? How about no? How about no? Do you live in an apartment? Again, oh, well, you can never have your sliding glass door or windows open because people in your building probably smoke and they probably smoke constantly. So your apartment, this is definitely, I'm not talking about my own apartment at all. They probably smoke absolutely constantly below you.

So all of the smoke just comes into your house and that would that would be bad for your birds as well. It's It gets There's a lot involved with it It also gets wicked expensive if you're gonna try to keep them alive at all because the vet bills crank up fast and Even then you might not be able to save them. So in summary to go back and do it again And even then you might not be able to save them. So in summary to go back and do it again Would they're great. They're great. I love my birds. They are tons of fun. They have really actually very vibrant personalities um, they have very unique personalities they

Want to be involved in everything they're they're very fun. They're much more like If you're that's another thing if you're getting them as a cage pet, nah. You gotta let them out and let them fly. Um, so that's another thing to consider. If you're like, oh, they're a good thing that can sit in the corner. No, they're not. Um... They like their cage as shelter. They're going to want to leave it. And they'll get pretty frustrated if they never get to. It's bad for them. Um... And the, the get a buddy thing, like if you're,

if you like and your partner aren't full-time work from home all the time, and even then you should probably get them a buddy. They're flock animals, they're not supposed to be just like left alone all the time. So now you're getting two, and that's two times everything I just said, including vet bills and all that other type of stuff. So Get a dog the birds are great Get ten cats. Yeah, or five cats might be literally easier. Oh probably I Don't know. I think my cats are probably less work than used birds probably Yeah, yep. You gotta meet the kittens by the way. They're yes

Hilarious. Yeah, the one is just like the most outgoing thing I've ever seen. The first night we brought her home, she's just like crawling all over us and like running around and she, you know the thing cats do where they like go sideways and like, well, she's like this big and she does it like constantly to her brother. She's like always like being super aggressive with them and not in like a play fight way.

They're hilarious. Are they mixed yet? Like with the other cats? No, no, they, um, they have fleas from living outdoors and they're too young for flea treatment. Got it. So we can treat them, I think on Tuesday. And then as soon as you hit them with revolution, they're apparently good to go to mix in because it like kills the entire flea cycle. So anything that they have on them will just like die or whatever. So then we're good to go. Cool Hey LLD. My son is in college and is very introverted

I really hope he opens up even a tiny bit and has fun any suggestions on how I could help encourage this I can already tell you as his parent probably know yeah like that's that's the challenge right introverted people pushing doesn't help it almost has to be like a pull if you know what I mean like you can't you can't push them they have to be enticed towards more interaction so you know if they can find Like a club or something like that that they can get engaged with find some like-minded people Those will pull them out of their shell. Like I there are a lot of those at post-secondary as well. I got these

I got these gel blasters um And I I told my son I was like, hey, we should try these we should like they shoot orbeez And I told my son I was like, hey, we should try these. We should like, they shoot Orbeez. And we should like blast each other in the yard or whatever. Like have a, you know, gunfight. And he was like, does it hurt? I'm like, yeah.

And he's like, no. And then his friends were over for a party. And I was like, hey, do you guys wanna shoot these? And they're like, oh yeah, that looks awesome. And I was like, okay. But the deal is, cause they had all been giving me a really hard time during the pool party, like, just going at me, basically,

like a bunch of preteen boys, like shooting me with every water gun, and chasing me around, and grabbing my stuff, and just, you know, they're having fun, right? Yeah. Anyway, they'd been going at me real hard all evening, and I was like, okay Well, here's the deal because these are my or be guns

So you have to let me shoot you once and then you can shoot them as much as you want and they're like Okay, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna be the first one. I want to be first and then all of a sudden my son's like In this thing now, yeah, and so that's what I mean by a pull Instead of a push no amount of me pushing him would have made him wanna overcome that pain or anxiety or whatever it is. But sometimes peer pressure can be a force for good. Yeah, it can also be terrible. Under control.

But it can, yeah, absolutely. Another thing that I'd recommend is try to find small groups like Linus and I this surprises some people Linus and I both kind of actually lean more towards the introverted side of things You'd never know it. Yeah, like watching this show, but it is definitely a thing. But I I I leave here And I like so drained every Friday decompress for a very long time. Yeah, well into tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Yeah Luke I think both of us have said that we've stayed up to like 5 a.m. Just decompressing. Yep

It's like I mean if it's a if it was a particularly long and rough, and then if WAN Show goes for like a really long time, I might've really enjoyed WAN Show, but just the- Yeah, I like WAN Show. Oh yeah. The battery afterwards sometimes just needs to be alone. Like sleeping isn't gonna recharge it. I need to spend active time by myself. Yep.

And then it'll be okay. But another thing that helps me in that regard is small groups. So I don't know, like a D and D group or a, if there's like a, um, a hacker space, like there's probably not going to be a huge amount of people in there. So they can get used to the three or four people that they engage with often, and they can socialize with that group.

And then maybe when they get used to that one they can try another one and then they can grow their social circle that way instead of trying to meet like 20 people 20 30 people at a time now you know within a minute of being in the space you know everybody's name it's a little bit easier to navigate you can you can focus on those smaller amount of people more it's nice when it's something where everyone is working on something in common too. That way you don't have to make small talk. You can work on a project. That's where a lot of the ice breaking happens for people like me anyway. I, yeah, I need some form of

activity that people are focused on to like function properly. If we're literally just standing around talking and it's like a big group of people, I have like, my brain is constantly like DAAH! What do I do? But if like anything else is involved, if there's something going on, and food is pretty good for this, I think it's one of the reasons why a lot of people meet for dinner and stuff like that, but anything else, some form of central activity and you're good.

I found that forum post. So Manik Khirkheth summarized it well. I think it was more a jab at Twitter following US regulations like a well-trained dog while taking a relatively less significant market as a supposed moral high ground battle. The confidence wasn't so much about the size of Brazil's economy as it was about the thought process of complying in one region as opposed to another, essentially doing the same hand wave as Elon presumably did in the decision to play the moral high ground game exactly there. Oh, and side note, if to Elon the Brazilian market was relevant, he'd be working to

keep X in Brazil. Relevancy is not just about being a big economy, relevancy to a bonehead can be quite boneheaded. Yeah. Yeah, that was what I meant. They just just said it a lot better than me. Yeah. Good work. Alright, hit me Dan. Sure. Hey, LLD, any thoughts on school phone policy? My high school has started requiring students to put their phones in a basket at the start of class. Using phones in class sucks, but this seems a bit much. Well, let me say, let me say this much.

I think it's good that you have fewer distractions because this is not the correct form of there and there is no punctuation in here at all so I think you could stand to put your phone down for a little bit Okay, okay, okay. I'm mostly I'm mostly teasing. I'm mostly teasing I'm sure there's problems where like in emergencies It makes it more difficult for people to call home and all that kind of stuff. Yes overall I think it's a good move overall the world functioned before cell phones and and people are really too chronically connected. And I know that, well, back in my day, doesn't necessarily mean it was better.

Sometimes progress is just that, it's progress. But I think it's become pretty clear that there is some development that is being lost in the loss of face-to-face human interactions that we're forced to do in school. Like, it's not because I wanted to talk to people. I would have actually rather not done it a lot of the time. I often hung out in Mr. McCloskey's portable at lunch where we would watch Simpsons reruns and play video games on the crappy old computers

that he had in there. Like, I absolutely dodged human interaction. where we would watch Simpsons reruns and play video games on the crappy old computers that he had in there like I Absolutely dodged human interaction sounds awesome But what I'm trying to say is It wasn't always an option and now I'm glad I got forced To talk to people and interact with people because it's a valuable life skill even if it's not comfortable. Yes Talk to people and interact with people because it's a valuable life skill even if it's not comfortable. Yes Hey Wanda DLL I'm playing a ff3 SNES version on my Steam Deck I'm finding having the instruction manual would help a lot aka blitz. Okay. Hold on. Hold on

Matman87 in the chat says counterpoint Education is to prepare for the real world and most people will have their phones immediately accessible at work and Many jobs even require it Yes, but many many jobs will expect you to put your fucking phone away and get your work done so You've got to be prepared for both and I don't think we need to prepare this generation for having their phone on they're gonna have an and I don't think we need to prepare this generation for having their phone on. They're going to have an absolutely excessive amount of time outside of that to have their phone on them. They're also probably doing homework, so they'll have an experience of

doing work with their phone with them. All right, hit me. Linus and Luke, what have been the mechanics you had no idea what to do in FF3? What have been the mechanics you had no idea what to do in FF3? Is that, is this the Japanese number versus the American number thing? And I'm playing that game. You are playing that game. Okay. You're playing Final Fantasy six. The mechanics.

Did I give you a manual? I think I gave you my menu. Did you read it? Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Was it helpful? Yeah.

Cause originally I was actually Googling things and then now I'm like no I can do this the right way Which is sick and the manual intentionally doesn't have everything in it. Yeah, which is great There's lots of items and stuff that are not in there. That's cool Yeah, I'm down with that and I would I would like to play within those limitations and it's vague sometimes like what exactly the ability does It's like kind of poorly translated or intentionally vague. I don't mind. I love it I do prefer that over googling just with no reference It was like because googling you're gonna it's almost TMI sometimes. Yes, it'll be like yeah Here's the optimal build and you do I don't know that I didn't want I just want to play the game

You know it wasn't designed to be completely broken by you know stacking up Genji equipment on this particular character and leveling them in this particular way and going to this particular place in order to like... Oh, man, no! I promise you my team is not optimally set up. Oh yeah. I guarantee. I can't even fully tell. Like, I'm still kind of learning, like, oh okay, so this character is... sorta supposed to do this thing.

You gotta stream again so I can tune in. Yeah. You never stream anymore. Yeah. So lame. Yeah. You never stream anymore. Yeah. So lame. Yeah, I do want to. So basically what has been a mechanic, you had no idea what to do.

And I guess they're just talking like kinda more broadly. The little like, the little kid that like learns other people's abilities things. Yeah or something. Yeah. Oh, I think he has a new name I thought it was Gao the thing you said Gao it made sense to me hmm let me see what I can find uh I still think it's go is it go okay maybeow. Anyway, yeah, the guy you find on the Veldt. Yeah, so that took me a sec.

It wasn't too bad. Yeah. Then you sort of figure it out. Yeah, oh man, it took me forever to catch him because I didn't figure out to like use the dried meat on him or something. Like I kept- Oh no, that was pretty weird.

I kept eating dried meat myself. That segment of the game. Yeah, with the three parties split up on the three different paths. There was a couple spots where it was like, what the heck am I supposed to do now? But you figure it out. Yeah.

Mostly it was like, where am I supposed to go when it's totally free map, there's no quest log, all that kind of stuff. But I'm a Morrowind enjoyer. I like that feeling. So I'm okay with that. I'm gonna explore. I'm gonna try to find things.

I'm gonna try to think of what I'm supposed to do next and execute that. And if that's not right, well, I went on an adventure anyways. Who cares? Go back, try to find the right way. Okay. I've been told a lot of times that my pronunciation of vague is weird.

Vague? Does it stand out as weird to you? Vague? No. What is it supposed to be? Dan? Vague. Vague? Does it stand out as weird to you? Vague? No. What is it supposed to be? Dan? Vague. Vague. Vague.

Vague? Your description of this game is vague. That sounds like the same thing to me. No. It's just his accent. Vague. Remember he talks like a valley girl? You know, go for your Reaping Your Truck Dairy kind of thing, right?

That's not a valley girl accent. That's an Eastern Canadian accent. I was comparing it to an Eastern Canadian accent. How dare you? How dare you just because y'all invented the language doesn't mean you get to dictate how the rest of us speak it It's like egg versus way. Take your imperialistic bullsh** and get out of here. Everyone is a foreigner, but the English It's like egg versus way vague vague Yeah Tomato tomato tomato kind of thing yeah except tomatoes stupid Who says tomato? I don't know I hate them If you're out there, I will fight you

Stop being incorrect What else we got my goodness? Blindness I need an update about the bike at GATT at GATT What at GATT is this like of course? ATGATT I'm sure it means something Yeah, all year all the time. It just means always wear your gear. I have been so tired and so busy.

I have not made any significant progress. Getting a significant amount of it painted and then needing to un-paint it has been really frustrating and I had such a hard time stripping the gas tank that I used a more aggressive media when I was sandblasting it and it left a bunch of like divots in it that are not sanding out easily. I have so many so many hours ahead of me that I have not been getting motivated about it and I had like really good momentum going and then my sister died and I just kind of fell off of working on stuff not been getting motivated about it. And I had like really good momentum going

and then my sister died and I just kind of fell off of working on stuff like that for a while. And I just got to kind of pick it back up again. Just been, I've been tired. Yeah. I will ride next season. Darn it. Yeah.

Next season I will ride. Yeah. Hello, son, dad and grandpa. You guys are coming up on seven thousand videos currently six thousand nine hundred and eighty four What is your favorite LTT moment ever? Impossible yeah, I don't even remember most of them. We did a dive a while ago I think it was on WAN show and we saw a bunch of videos that I was in but I have no memory of. Yeah. Like at all.

We've been doing this for almost as like... My YouTube career can drive. You know? How long until it's half your life? It's coming up. Pretty close. Yeah, a few more years. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's so hard for me to say, and we've done so much wacky, incredible stuff on camera. Everyone weeds. That wasn't on LTT. Yeah, that doesn't count. That was on Channel Superfund. Alright. Umm... Let me see if I can find that. AHH!

Sorry! Someone in full-plane chat guessed what I was laughing about. Oh, dildo racing. No, no, no! The fact that someone guessed that. Great job, TomGear, that's crazy. I didn't even say anything. HAHAHAHA!

That's wild, you're in my head. My goodness. Yeah, like, we've done just, we've done weird stuff, you know? I came across this a little while ago because I don't, I don't know how, but I stumbled across it. This is from 12 years ago. And like, I can't explain what would have been going through my mind when I decided to make this. I think we were an independent company already by this point.

Highlight the 12 years ago. It'll say the actual date. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so this is over six months into the existence of Linus Media Group. And so we were kind of a serious company doing serious company things. I'm unboxing a cable. I think we needed a Thunderbolt cable. Was that 2012? For something.

Yeah, or wait, sorry, is this a year before? Yeah. We definitely filmed this together, though. Yeah. Do you remember Sorry is this a year before? Yeah, we definitely filmed this together though. Yeah Do you remember this? Do you know what happens? No, I remember doing this. I don't remember what happens No, so I unbox a cable for some reason and then like I don't know where I don't know how I got the idea in My mind, but I was like, yeah thunderbolts and like, you know power or something. Oh my god Am I really looking at the documentation for a Thunderbolt cable?

Thank goodness I lost patience with doing that sort of thing. Like you could, like what a, what a- Oh wait, no, I remember this! I remember this! Oh my goodness! What is happening? Oh my god, why did we do that? I don't know, but it's so hard to watch.

The second you started to pull it out it all came back. I remember that jump even. Yeah, what am I doing? Why is this? This doesn't make any sense. You dive in of course you do. Ridiculous. Why am I wearing my helmet like I'm dude? I'm- you're probably trying to be a power ranger. Dude I'm 26 years old. Yeah, I'm 26! What am I doing? Being a Power Ranger, dude. Nice. Nice. The worst part about that is you probably could have done that perfectly fine, and you intentionally fell. No, no, I can't do a flip off a tree.

No, I meant even just like jumping off. Oh, yeah, no, I'm like definitely doing worse than I- Oh! Like what was I thinking there you fight a drone yeah fight the drone and then the drone you can tell I put the camera down so that I could fly the drone yeah yeah the cameras no longer moving did this have a mid roll or is this a post roll ad yeah did the video just end I think maybe yeah the video just ends there like what say what even? What even is that? What is that? Have you ever seen that Dan? No, I'm rolling over here. This is how I made it

My my face hurt came from I I mean So that yeah, that was crap the company Anyone who says our videos used to be better is a f****** liar. They have the same soul, and I love that. It's like, you know, you're saying you're 26, and it's like, I'm gonna have fun and be a child because that's entertaining and like, keep it, I don't take myself seriously, right?

It's about being funny and fun. Yeah. Thunderbolt cables, it's like Short Circuit if it was cool. CamDoc13 says... Get Rekbel. That's the equivalent of 70s fashion was better. Exactly. Yeah.

We can move on. That was pre-company, but that was after we had decided to do it. Around the time we were deciding to do it. I think that's a little early for after we decided. Okay. We're definitely talking about it then, at least. I forget why I needed a 2-meter Thunderbolt cable, but I was like, Okay, I need to monetize obtaining this somehow.

You still do that. In this video. Right? I was at Smash Champs and you're like, Wow, everything's crap. Free content! I didn't say- Film crew here tomorrow!

I did not say it was crap, and it took more than one day to get a film crew there. Okay, fine. Your knock to a door is- Let me editorialize. Your knock to a door is very cool, Dan. Do you like my knock to a door? to get a film crew there. Okay fine. Your knock to it doors. Let me editorialize Your knock to a door is very cool Dan. Do you like my knock to a door? Thank you. It's good. Thank you It's a knock to a door. Yeah, don't go in the lower closet. I thought we were gonna put a prop Jank jank jank. Who do I work for? Okay, where are we Dan and

Okay, where are we? Dan and Elanel. Can't believe I almost missed these. Glad I could pick up some. They are the scrunchies. Is there a reason they're leaving? What will happen to the shirt waste that was being used for these? Um... Is there just not anymore? I don't know. That's a good question. I... I think they're being discontinued, is what I've seen a couple. I will ask. He is sending an email. Maybe we'll have a follow up. So when are we getting a modern remake of that epic video? I don't think you can even do that.

We can throw him into some Blackberry bushes? That sounds fun. I don't think it'll have the same- No, no, no. It won't be earnest. Yeah. It won't be the same thing. I think the closest modern video would be us bushwhacking the fiber run through the bushes for Because Lul. Yeah, to be honest. I still wear those jeans. That's the same energy just applied to where we are now. You still wear those jeans? I ripped open one of the knees when we were doing that. Yeah, but now you're like cool and stuff.

What? I wasn't cool back then. Yeah, wow, rude. So rude. My goodness. Oh my goodness. You gotta report it like a workplace injury. You gotta go tell Ariana. Oh yeah, exactly.

You don't report workplace injuries to Ariana. She's on the safety steam technically. No, okay. I don't think Luke can do that. I totally did. Yes. All right, here's a question for Luke. How have Float Plane's content policies changed over time?

We definitely have those. Do we have them? And they're very stringent. Don't break them or we'll come for you. We are very serious. I mean, we've talked about just like you know adult content and stuff like that I think I don't think anyone has ever challenged us on content policy I think our only policy is if it's legal it's okay. They totally have and our policies are bulletproof.

They're bulletproof okay. Yes. Yeah, basically if it's legal where we are and where you are, that's fine. We have nothing to say about it. Pretty much. That's what we've gone with. The nude stuff, there are problems there because of the payment processors, not because of us. So we'd probably have to like clone the site, create like only planes.com and then use different payment processors because they have they have made It very clear that unless you know in stripes case This is very highly selective because if you're only fans then sure because you're bringing in so much money We're not gonna say no to that contract. If you're anybody else. Oh

We have morals No, no, no very frustrating very the the We have morals. No, no, no. Very frustrating. Very... The arbitrary enforcement of these kinds of policies. No! Wait, that's a lot of money. Okay, you can come through.

Everybody else? No! Yeah, and then at that point, why? Because there's clearly no principled stance here, so... Like, to... Okay, to Apple's credit, at least they are genuinely prudish. Yeah That honestly genuinely they didn't bother me because there's actually consistent. Yeah I mean, I think it's really stupid because they released a VR headset without addressing what People use VR headsets for yeah and like actively working against

the consumption of such content on their VR headset. Beat Saber. Just like... He he he. All right, next word's message. I'm so sorry. I work in setting up trade shows. I was wondering what was the biggest challenge you faced while organizing

LTX and did anything learned carrying and did anything learned carrying into company policy as you grew? What? Biggest challenge was definitely communication and that continues to be our biggest challenge as an organization. Did you learn anything to carry into company policy? Yeah. That we should communicate better. We still have a lot of work to do on that. I think that's the hardest thing, especially when you have a company that's made out of a lot of like tech enthusiasts and their ilk. We've got a lot of people who are not naturally extroverted and don't naturally seek conflict. And so that can be a really difficult environment sometimes.

Especially when those people just bottle it. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, and it's like, what? Yeah. So I think, you know, remembering we're all on the same team. It's very, very important. I just noticed on the dock, I was scrolling around the dock for some weird reason. I just noticed on your face. Part way through the dock right after the sponsors it says I've been silenced new line I said too much. Yeah that's the

title suggestions. Oh okay. I was like who was this? What happened? Aren't they okay? Oh that's great I'm just gonna start writing like. start writing like only way they've been able to speak out I live in your walls all over the document in like point Oh one gray font and then adjust loops Contrast on his screens only he can see it No, but that I can see that being terrifying oh, yeah, yeah, no, I just write him too many ideas. No, but I can see that being terrifying. Oh yeah. Yeah.

No, I just write it there so it doesn't get lost. Hi LDL, Sam Altman is coming to my university for a fireside chat next week. What questions should I bring to potentially ask? I don't know, whatever questions you want to hear a bulls**t tech bro answer to. Yeah, have you watched any of his interviews? Wait. Dude, one of the most interesting things I find about his interviews are the hatred behind his smile.

I feel it in like almost no one more than him. It's actually crazy. I'm googling it. You have to watch, I don't remember the particular interview, but there's an interview with him where someone starts asking him some questions that he doesn't really like. And he says something along the lines of like, basically that question isn't worth my time, but in like a super PR friendly way. And he's smiling super happy the whole time, but he's just dunking on this person. And you know that he's doing that and you know that he feels that way, but he's just dunking on this person. And you know that he's doing that, and you know that he feels that way,

but he's smiling and his tone of voice is all happy and perky. And I'm just like, this is incredibly fake to the point where it like, ugh, I do not like it. I'm not down. Be a human. I understand what you're trying to make isn't that, but you can be a human.

Can you count to five? My goodness. Ah. What's next? Will we ever be able to buy new products without AI now? Do you think AI is just the new VC hotness, or will it continue to infest every corner of our lives until it's unavoidable? It might be bubbly right now in terms of the valuation of the companies that are capitalizing on this sort of boom. But it's not a fad. It's not going away in some form or another. This type of machine learning not only isn't going away, but has been with us a lot longer than I think mainstream media in particular realizes. like neural networks, large language models,

none of this stuff happened in the last year. Yeah. It's just that we reached this sort of breakthrough point where it started becoming usable, and that drove a lot of interest in it. That's the only difference. And the hardware is getting to the point where it's fast enough to do in real time. Yeah, it's going to be everywhere. Absolutely. Don't

delude yourself into thinking that that's not happening. And as Tynan said in Floatplane Chat, it's the new ray tracing, which I think is an interesting comparison. Yeah. Yeah. Cause when it was first introduced, it was super overhyped and people try to use it and it was kinda eh. And then years down the line, it's like, oh, this is actually really sick.

And in the long term, it'll be the only way that makes sense to do things because like manually coding what light should look like will seem stupid when we can just simulate it. Gaussian splatting. Thank you. None of them asks any chance for opening merch messages sooner for EU customers. It's 630 in the morning here. We've got to try to find the balance. When we had it loaded towards the front of the show, people got really upset and they felt like it was just the promoting lttstore.com show. I think they mean being able to do it.

No, I don't think so. I think they mean responding to them. You said opening up. Yeah, like opening them. No, like enabling them. Oh, oh, I don't know if we want more merch messages you guys. Like we really appreciate your patronage and all of that but you know for

the most part LTD store is a store not a messaging app if you will. And last one I've got for you here. Hey LDL, I'm one of the fun few working at a media company with huge layoffs. Been working on my indie game and wondering since you have invested in projects what should I maybe do to find funding? I gotta be honest with you, I don't know pretty much anything about that world. There's a couple projects that that NAS software and framework that I've thrown some money at because I just think they're super cool.

I did functionally zero due diligence on either of them with framework. I was like, this thing seems amazing. I have no idea if this is gonna work, but I want it to be the next thing. I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is. A big part of it was just like, I thought it'd be a splashy title for the video. Like I just, you know, I thought it was a cool,

I thought it was so cool and I just wanted to be part of it. I didn't, I'd never met the founder other than like exchanging a couple of emails and I didn't know anything about the team. That is absolutely not how you should do something like this. And then with the NAS software, I knew the guys on the team from their unraid days, but like, I didn't do any due diligence with respect to like their other funding or like, I personally never even read the shareholder agreement. I don't know what it says. Yvonne says she looked at it,

but like, at the end of the day, these were guys that contributed in a big way. Like John was realistically the mastermind behind Seven Gamers, One CPU. Like he made that thing happen. I did a lot of the work too, but like I couldn't have done it without him. And so sort of looking at how helpful he was,

I was like, okay, well, like, I don't know, whatever, here's the money, and like, do it or burn it. We'll see what happens. I don't want to announce anything, you know, out of turn or whatever, but I think there's going to be some stuff to talk about, hopefully, in the span of weeks, rather than months, which is pretty exciting because yeah I have some issues with my NAS setup right now that I'm just like I could fight through like forums and documentation and try and fix this or I could just not bother I could just wait for I've been kind of itching to improve my NAS setup but I've

been waiting for this thing yeah to be honest so like I think we're not the only ones that sounds great Yeah, I know I'm I'm pretty stoked but like what I'm kind of getting to here is I don't know how that world works I've just stupidly thrown amounts of money that I am 100% willing to lose at These companies that I just either the people or mission, I think are extremely cool and important. I don't think you would ever find probably another investor like me, because I really have zero involvement

and demand absolutely nothing from them, because as far as I'm concerned, I was just kissing the money goodbye. Most investors expect a return and they expect it within some period. I have no intention of cashing out my framework shares. You're like a unicorn investor. Except I don't have unicorn investor money.

Like in both cases, it was- Not gonna lie, didn't know that was a term that existed. Oh yeah, it's a thing. Oh. Like I don't, sorry, unicorn would be more of like a term for the startup that has like a huge valuation and huge growth, sorry. So when you said that, what I meant was like, I'm not the kind of person who can like single

handedly come in and like turn you into a unicorn was what I meant by that. Understood. Like in both cases- Angel investor, people are saying. Angel, that's it, thank you. So like I don't have Angel investor money. I, yeah, that's it. I knew they were related.

In both cases, it was a couple hundred grand, which it's been kind of funny to see accusations of like how compromised I am now over that investment. Let me put it this way. That wouldn't cover our payroll for... I don't think that would cover our payroll for a week. Yeah, I think that's about right now. So like, it's, yeah, it's a ton of money and it's really meaningful to those small teams,

which is why I wanted to support them. But it's like in the grand scheme of Linus Media Group and it's and it's operations and obviously I would rather it makes a profit or whatever. But- You can't do that all the time. Yeah, I can't do it all the time. So only so much that you can do that with. We only have two cases of this ever happening.

Yes. So like- This is not something that I just do casually on stream. Yeah, we even had like the community was quite, I think the community seems to have forgotten about this sometimes, but the community was quite involved with the framework investment. Yeah.

We like asked them if it was cool. Yep, cool. And their vote mattered, if I remember correctly. I don't fully remember, but yeah, absolutely. So I don't know, guys, it's, I don't know anything about it. I just have done a couple of random things because I thought the people were really cool and I thought the mission was really cool. I don't know, I don't understand it. I don't, I can't relate to the usual investor mindset and I have done enough looking into raising capital as a business owner that I've just looked at it and I've gone that looks horrible and I don't want to learn about this. I was gonna say we're the wrong people. Low amount of total investments, the investments that do exist are weird and we've never

got an investment yeah sorry oh and sorry I think the show's over oh we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye oh someone asked what happened to the GameStop shares I think at some point Yvonne just flipped whatever was left of them and she was trying to pay something down and was liquidating things. So I don't actually know what they sold for. But there's that.