The WAN Show - Linux’s Biggest Win Yet - WAN Show April 24, 2026

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up? Welcome to the WAN show. Yo, we got a great show lined up for you guys this week. That was my pathetic attempt at something we're going to show you a much better version of. Later on, we actually had one of our fellow tech creators do a rap about LTT store products, which is flipping amazing. We're going to be checking that out. Also, speaking of LTT store products, Shipstorm is bad. That's right. Free shipping over 150 US dollars on the US store or $225 on the worldwide store. Free shipping for your entire order, no code needed, just load everything up into your cart, and you are good to go.
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Starting point is 00:01:17 so don't wait for the storm to pass. Oh no! What else we got this week? We actually have so many cool topics. Yeah. Good NewsWand Show. This is going to be the best Good NewsWand Show yet, because everything's freaking awesome.
Starting point is 00:01:28 The EU requires phone makers to fit readily removable batteries from next year. But there may be a notable exception. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, see what that is. Also, YouTube opens up AI deep fake detection tool to all of Hollywood. I knew. Wait, oh, that one. I thought you were going to pick the other one. I thought you were going to pick the, like, local Gemini one
Starting point is 00:01:51 because that was more proof that Luke was right. Oh, yeah. That one's crazy. That one's crazy. It's just AI topics. People, yeah, we'll talk about it. It's pretty cool, though. Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:21 The show is brought to today by Vessi, along with Squarespace and Shocks and Tello, with our rap partner D brand, our laptop partner Razor and our chair partner, Razor. All right. Let's jump right into our headline topic, which is, of course, oh, man, it wasn't even one of the ones we highlighted. There's so many good ones. Yeah, that's funny, isn't it? Framework, CEO, and Absolute Bro.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Narav Patel tweeted earlier this week that, Oh, that topic, okay. Yeah, that topic. Tweeted earlier this week that the Framework 13 Pro Launch, investment disclosure, has been an overwhelming success. Nice. Batch 7, which is shipping in July, is sold out already. Wow.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Yeah, people are really viving with the better chassis, the new, better touchscreen display that has just, Did you watch the video? Yes, it looks great. Phenomenal, phenomenal, like, direct sunlight performance. Have you guys just walk outside and test it? It was cool. I've never seen anything quite like it.
Starting point is 00:03:27 I've seen those, like, retro-reflective displays that are quite like it. But I've never seen one with a backlight. Right. That's quite like that. Very, very cool. Better battery life. Freaking Panther Lake. This thing is resonating with people.
Starting point is 00:03:39 But that is not what I'm excited about right now. What I'm excited about right now is the fact. that Nirov posted that over 50% of their sales of the Framework 13 Pro are wait for it Ubuntu
Starting point is 00:03:58 yeah not Windows yeah now we have talked extensively on the WAN show about the year of the Linux desktop we have even talked like personally between you and me about a video that I was working on called
Starting point is 00:04:15 the year of Windows Humiliation Yeah. Because even if it's not the year of the Linux desktop, I think there's an argument to be made that it is the year of Windows humiliation. That video actually goes live sometime this weekend. Cool. And I had to go do a quick voice pickup when I saw this tweet and be like, I don't know, editor, put this somewhere, but like, this is crazy. However, however. I hope it's just a screenshot of the tweet in you going, booh, and no other context.
Starting point is 00:04:44 I wish it was now. Sorry, keep going. Now I completely wish it was. However, there is a bit of a catch. And Luke, do you want to be the one to give the bad news? So honestly, as much as I would love this to be true. And, you know, maybe it is. And, you know, I'm not saying it's not true.
Starting point is 00:05:02 I do think that that many people are ordering Ubuntu configurations for these laptops and not Windows ones. I am not personally convinced that those people are going to keep Linux, I'll say, not even just Ubuntu, but Linux on their laptops. I suspect people are doing this so that they can not pay for Windows, and then they can install Windows, and then just through the command line, tell it that it should totally just activate itself, and then go on their merry way. Donning the hat. It's possible.
Starting point is 00:05:36 I don't think over 50% of framework sales are people who are going to long-term Linux. I think they should give it a shot, because I've been doing that. and it's actually been awesome. Okay, okay, hold on, hold on. Think about this. Think about this. The last thing you just said was what? It's been awesome.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Okay, okay. Now, now, think back to the second last thing you said. Don't worry, I'm not going to go. Yeah, okay, okay. The third last thing. No, no, we're not going to go any farther than that. He wouldn't have a shot. She'd have no chance.
Starting point is 00:06:08 Neither would I. Do you think that there could be a significant number of people who order this machine? and just get a taste and they're just like, huh, you know what? Water's warm. Why are all those penguins in it? You know what I'm saying? Aren't they usually in cold water?
Starting point is 00:06:32 Yeah. Right? Not always, it turns out. No, yeah, I know, I know. Which is great to know. Because then if you don't like the cold water, that doesn't mean you can't join them. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Just join the penguins. So, I mean, I look, I'm obviously, like, literally have a vested interest in Frameworks success. What I do not have a vested interest in is, yes, thank you for that, Luke. What I do not have a vested interest in is, like, Linux's success. I got no, I got no dog in that fight. Yeah, it doesn't benefit us. No, but what it does do is it's, it's freaking exciting.
Starting point is 00:07:07 It's freaking exciting. And that benefits me. Because the more people that use Linux, ideally, the better it will get. And then that benefits me. Okay, yes. But not in a monetary way with sort of my point. No, I know, I know. That's why I said it didn't.
Starting point is 00:07:23 Yeah, honestly, I do suspect some people might try it and like it. I haven't used Ubuntu in, I don't know, genuinely like 15, 20 years. So I have no idea. But I do suspect some people might actually, yeah, let me poke around with this thing. Why not? I've heard some people talking about it. Why not? What do you have to lose?
Starting point is 00:07:43 with it, which would be really cool. I also would say that I think a dramatically higher percentage of these are real or at least people who are going to install a different distro, but not Windows, compared to even this time last year. I just thought of something else. I think it's been a massive jump. I just thought of something else. Okay, hear me out.
Starting point is 00:08:08 If you're techy enough to install your own operating system, what are the odds that you're also techy enough to BYO storage drive and probably save a buck on the thing? You see where I'm going with this, right? Because this is people who selected a storage drive. This is the, right, it would have to be because it comes to an operating system. And selected a pre-installed operating system. But if you're the kind of person that really was just going to rip Ubuntu off of it,
Starting point is 00:08:36 put windows on, pirate windows, like you have the know-how. Don't tell me you don't know how to open up of all things. a framework laptop and put an SSD in it. It's sort of the point. Don't even tell me that. I still don't fully believe the numbers. Sure. But that does, I think, up the percentage that it could be.
Starting point is 00:08:58 I think we're going to get less than 100% of those Ubuntu people moving over to Windows. Yeah. And it's just, it's an exciting time to be interested in open source software right now. It's an exciting time to be interested. in alternatives to the tech giants who, dude, did I talk to you already about the first time I fired my Windows laptop back up? And it was like it was like it didn't want me. It was like it didn't want me to come back.
Starting point is 00:09:28 No. Did I not talk about this on WAN Show? I don't think so. I put my Windows Drive back in my PX-13 that I've been using lately, my Strix Halo machine. And immediately it did, it did the fucking thing. immediately it did the thing it asked me hey
Starting point is 00:09:49 it's been a while do you want edge do you like one drive have you ever thought about Xbox off like I almost I was so the only
Starting point is 00:10:07 it's repulsive it pushes you away it like is literally repulsive the only reason that I didn't swap the drives again are because this thing has like chassis and intrusion detection that I can't figure out which one, which screw is like the one that I have to tighten all the way to get it to even like turn back on. Like one of the screws like grounds a thing or something. So I had already buttoned it completely back up. And the main reason that I had switched back over to Windows was because I wanted to try out that Logitex Super Strike Mouse that I've been like supposed to try out for us to do the video. Does it not work on Linux? Well, the Logitex software. I wanted to have the full suite of Logitex software if I'm evaluating a product. There is a, a, a like third party stand in Logitex
Starting point is 00:10:49 software thing but yeah that makes sense as a review should have the whole thing yeah I should be I should be using it as the manufacturer intense that makes sense but if it wasn't for those two things I Scouts honor I would have put the other drive back in I just it
Starting point is 00:11:05 was so offensive it was offensive it was like disrespectful this is why I am using my computer right now and move I think the biggest thing for me is I feel like I've replaced the time that I spent on Windows being annoyed about that kind of stuff, learning more about my computer and doing cool things with my operating system, which is what I'd rather do anyways. I've had fun using an operating system for the first time since probably Windows 9.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Okay, yeah, okay, Windows 9 was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. And we're not meming. We know there's no Windows 9. there was like a modded Windows 8.1 that had like the cruft stripped out of it and was like super responsive that was nicknamed Windows 9. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's not all perfect. But one thing that's been really awesome is every time I've ran into a problem, it is solvable.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Every time. And it, for me, has never been a major issue. Like I replaced a drive. and because my both my hard drives just worst timing in the freaking world both my hard drives I could hear worst timing so far
Starting point is 00:12:26 yeah I could hear that something was kind of off they were like making more noise than normal so I did a smart check and they both came up with like a pretty significant amount of bad sectors and I was like well I tried to think back to like how old are these drives
Starting point is 00:12:42 I thought they were mine when I finally pulled one out to actually replace it saw an inventory sticker on it. And when I saw the inventory sticker, I was like, oh, yeah, these are from, uh, geodood V1. Okay, so these are old. So there was the geo dude. So then there was geodood revision. And then there was Bulbosaur.
Starting point is 00:13:01 I might have personally put that inventory sticker on is what you're saying. Maybe. Yeah. Like these are old drives. So I was like, oh, okay. And I looked up like the upload date for Geodood v1. And I was like, okay, it might be about time. So it's fine that they, that they, that they,
Starting point is 00:13:16 dies. It's no huge deal, but like it sucks because of the pricing. But yeah, I'm replacing those drives. And when I, when I replaced it, uh, my, my computer didn't want to boot. It boot into emergency mode. And I was like, okay, I know the series of events that just happened. I could reverse this, but instead I'm going to pull my laptop out and just look up like, what could this mean? And I, there was a very simple explanation of what to do. It did require a little bit of command line stuff, but I'm running CentOS. I expected this. That's fine. I'm looking into, okay, what caused this? And it's just certain drives can be set up in a way where... Sorry, did you say CentOS? Why did I say CentOS? Okay. CashiOS. Cool.
Starting point is 00:13:58 I was like... Yeah, no, definitely not. Is he talking about like an old... How did that jump into my head? How did that jump into my head? Anyway, that's really weird. Anyway, my bad. Um, yeah, I was just like, oh, okay, I have to go into F-stab and just add no fail to the... the drive and then it just booted perfectly and I was like oh that's kind of neat now I like and then I sat there looking up like what are all the different flags for drives and then I'm just like learning stuff as I go on um it's cool coming back to the topic we're supposed to be discussing um our discussion question for the framework announcements this week because they also had their
Starting point is 00:14:33 oculink connection for the back of the framework 16 yeah yeah uh they also had their new keyboard which is a pretty exciting alternative to the K-400 um but our question is is forget all the stuff that they just announced just now. If they were to make a net new product, what would you want them to make? Nirav already talked about the potential. He talked about how they've looked at. He didn't commit anything. But he talks about how they've looked at printers.
Starting point is 00:15:01 The printer one I see as a little less necessary. Brother does exist. They tend to be kind of bros overall for the most part. Brother printers are kind of fine. They seem kind of fine. and it doesn't look like there's a lot of, as far as I can tell, like margin in the printer business unless you're willing to fleece people on the ink. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:20 So, you know. I'm sure there's things they could do that could help the world in regards to, like, those massive office printer things. But like, I think focusing on consumer would be a good idea. TVs is one that's really interesting to me. Especially if they're doing their own panels. Well, okay. I don't think they would do their own panel for a TV.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Sorry, I don't mean, I more mean, that they might have the expertise to like know things about TVs and make a good TV. When they did their own panel for the laptop, I doubt it was as much that they built the internal expertise and more that they were able to afford to get the glass cut in the shape they wanted. Okay. Pretty much. Yeah. But even that is it's a big, it's a monetary investment.
Starting point is 00:16:01 I doubt it was as much of a technical investment. Rest assured said monitor first. I actually don't agree. Oh, strong disagree. Monitors. Monitors. So the reason, okay, I should. explain why. Monitor space is pretty good.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Yeah, monitors, they don't have the same encrapification problem that TVs do. They're not forcing ads down your throat. I was chatting with Brad, who's the short circuit channel manager now, and he was saying that they did a video on the LGG something. I think it was the G5 a little while ago. And like, the first time set up process for it was painful. Like,
Starting point is 00:16:41 all the agreements that you're signing and like you finally get to the home screen and it's just freaking, it's wall to wall. It's just covered in ads. If someone were to tell you, okay, here's the framework TV. It's the same TV because at the end of the day, it's not like they're going to go and reinvent better quantum dots, you know? They're not going to suddenly have the R&D muscle of someone like a Sony or a TCL or Samsung. It's not happening. That's not what we're talking about here. It's going to cost more.
Starting point is 00:17:15 It'll cost more. But if it just got the fuck out of your way, I'd pay for it. And looks like solid. Like if it was a B plus in terms of the image quality and just when you turned it on, it did not take screenshots of the content you're watching and send it back to some server somewhere. It just opened up to whatever source input you sent to it and just worked. I think that had that would have an incredible value to people. I think it would, I think we're reaching the breaking point. I think, you know how a variety of things. You know, I've talked a lot about how people seem to have just kind of given up on, on like the whole privacy ad-invasiveness thing and how I think just the horse has bolted from the, from the barn at this point. Maybe I'm getting hope again.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Oh yeah, me too. Because I'm starting to see people mad again. think it's because the alternatives are becoming a lot more viable. You think so? I think so personally. I think self-hosting certain apps is like dramatically better than it's ever been. I think having your own NAS for your family is as expensive as hardware is right now. Oh, that's getting trendy, dude. It's getting, in a geeky way.
Starting point is 00:18:35 It's getting trendy, but it's also getting trendy because it's pretty good. Oh, yeah. And like it's, there is still upkeep time and you still have to do things for it. Um, but I think the upkeep and the things you have to do are kind of fun now. Ados makes a really good point. People never gave up. They just never cared enough because convenience always wins. But that's the thing is the, the, the encapification is crossing that threshold where it's not
Starting point is 00:19:04 convenient. Windows for me is less convenient than running mint on my laptop. Windows gets in my way more slows me down and stops me from doing my job more than Mint does. So like at this point in time, the convenient option is to run Linux. And that's not even a Linux nerd. I have never once opened the command line. I don't know why I look down here. My laptop's not with me right now.
Starting point is 00:19:29 I'm sorry to hear that. I have never once opened the command line on Mint on my laptop. I've never done anything fancy. All the software I've ever installed is just from the, package manager, which is effectively an app store on your phone. Like, I, I've done nothing special with that laptop, and it is perfect. Like, this is not, uh, this is not a weird or special thing. And I'm just genuinely more productive on it because it doesn't pester me about stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:57 All right. Let's pick another category. Sure. What would, then, what would you want to see them jump into? Sorry, you're doing shipstorms. right now. What are you talking about? Oh, I'm sorry, Dan. Thank you. Thank you for your service. Bye, Dan. I have no idea what's going on. Cool, good chat. Luke then. I'll settle for talking to Luke. Good plan. What an appropriate response. I already think I have one in mind for me, but
Starting point is 00:20:36 do you want me to go first then? Or do you want to go first just in case it's, you know, the best one and you think of it before I do. No, I, before you ever mentioned, I mean, I'm certain you already had the thought, but before you ever mentioned it really, the TV thing, I had already thought TV. TV has been very frustrating for me for a long time. Well, you've had to shop for one,
Starting point is 00:20:54 unfortunately, rip Luke's TV a couple times recently. Yeah. But even, like, someone will ask me for a recommendation. I'm just like, ugh. Like, I don't feel good about any of the recommendations. Like, well, Samsung has these really great looking, you know, QD OLEDs. too bad ties an OS
Starting point is 00:21:12 Yep LG has some pretty good looking W OLEDs Too bad WebOS has taken a Sharp right turn into Crapesville Yeah so just none of it feels good So definitely TVs
Starting point is 00:21:24 Outside of that I might need some thinking All right I'm gonna go with mine I'm gonna see if this kind of like I'm gonna see if this kind of vibes with people But I would actually love to see Framework get into SBCs
Starting point is 00:21:39 like single board computers it's a it's a space where the the cost has crept up on people in a way that was never really the like the idea you know like the kind of the raspberry pie contract wasn't the original sales pitch the original sales pitch was these things are hyper affordable they're bare bones and they've just kind of um they've just kind of um they've just just kind of gotten bloated, both in terms of the feature set and in terms of price.
Starting point is 00:22:13 And there are still, like, very basic ones. But it has felt like for some time that the availability of the ones that are, like, you know, supposed to be affordable has been not great. And some of the alternatives are not necessarily getting the TLC in terms of, of compatibility that the name brand, you know, Raspberry Pies have. I'd be very interested in something like a framework pie. If they were able to work with their manufacturing partners that they obviously have for things like the, like the laptop, right, they obviously can make a circuit board, right?
Starting point is 00:22:52 I'd be interested to see if they could make, if they could somehow bring their like upgradable, repairable ethos to single board computers. And I don't know, maybe it's not realistic. and maybe it'd be a stupid business for them to go into because who wants an ASP of like $15 or 20 bucks or whatever. But it's somewhere that I feel like potentially they could make a difference. Speaking of stupid business for them to go into. Yeah. With the EU's thing, which I don't think we've talked about it yet, but it's one of the topics in this show, I believe.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Sometimes the WAN shows really blur into each other for me. But is phones. the EU's pushing replaceable battery phones now could be the time. Framework has said publicly that they'll never do it. That's probably wise. And Fairphone already exists. And I think, you know, for me,
Starting point is 00:23:50 for framework to have a reason to come in and like compete with Fairphone, take that tiny, tiny market share of people who care more about like the sustainability and repairability aspect than they do about like, you know, a phone being a more cohesive high performance product
Starting point is 00:24:11 and then cut that down the middle. It feels like it would be a disservice to both of them to wedge themselves in there unless they were really bringing up like a powerful value to it. At this point, people aren't just buying, I know this isn't what you were saying. I'm not saying, oh, so you hate hot dogs?
Starting point is 00:24:28 I'm just talking. But I think at this point, people are just buying some people are just buying frameworks because they're cool. Oh dude, frameworks are trendy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Like just kind of sweet. Seeing how excited people are to cheer for this company has been very cool. You know what? Speaking of cool, how much better is Niravon camera than he used to be?
Starting point is 00:24:50 He's a lot better. I was what happened? I was like, this doesn't prove quite a bit. It was very noticeable. I saw a couple comments about it too. He's like, he used to be just awkward
Starting point is 00:25:01 and now he's like kind of cool awkward. I'm sure it helps doing our videos, but I suspect in general he's just been doing a lot more of those things. Yeah, and he has to talk to people. He's a CEO. He has to motivate. He has to like give speeches and stuff, I assume, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:14 So you just, you get practiced at public speaking. You don't really have a choice. But yeah, no, I thought he did a great job in the video. Yeah. Why don't we do a great job of finding another awesome topic to talk about? There's so much this week. Yeah. Um, this, that was not shouted out.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Maybe we should get through the ones we mentioned at the beginning. Actually, Syke, I'm going to pull an audible and do the topic line I said that I should have brought up at the beginning. Or that he expected I was going to bring up the beginning. Oh, okay, let's do it. Gemini is escaped from the cloud. Cerescale, I've never heard this verbally said, so I'm going to call it CERA Scale. CERA Scale cloud service has announced an expanded partnership with Google Cloud on Wednesday. that will allow them to offer the full Google Gemini model to be used completely offline on air-gapped, unfortunately, Google certified hardware appliances built by Dell and featuring eight Nvidia GPUs.
Starting point is 00:26:14 So this isn't... Hold on. Can we get a, can we get a... Luke fucking called it! Can I get one of those? Dan? Can I get one of those? This is... Yeah, don't worry about it. This is probably the most like direct version of what I was talking about that has been announced so far. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Because this is like an appliance that you buy that runs the the premium cloud only version of a portal and locally for big businesses. This is that like, oh, hey, there's going to be mainframes again type conversation that I had in the past. I don't remember exactly how I worded it, but something like that. This will, back to the notes. This will allow sectors with serious privacy concerns. concerns, health care, government, defense, finance, etc., etc., etc. To avoid risking exposure of sensitive data on third-party infrastructure. All the customers' data, inputs, outputs, etc., it's secure because of this.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Updating your local Gemini will require a private, sorry, a temporary private connection to Google servers or physically shipping your appliance to Google and being sent the new version. That's interesting. This is for big boys. Yeah. But while this isn't, you know, quite the way that I think, you know, Luke would want to do it if he was rolling his own infra. Yeah, not at all. What it is is a clear acknowledgement that the cloud, it didn't fail.
Starting point is 00:27:38 But it wasn't the perfect solution for everyone that it was hailed as. Well, and like whether or not you believe the stuff with mythos and whatnot going on right now, I think, honestly, the various war. more than anything else have been showing us that just a lot of software is just pretty vulnerable the stuff if people are willing to spend the time and often the money to work hard enough to poke at it. And the more connected it is, the more places there are to poke at it. Yeah. So if it can just be not connected, then there you go.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Yeah, Google IP is protected by confidential computing protections. What of the heck that is? And Cirruscale CEO Dave Dridgers explained that the Gemini model resides entirely in volatile memory. As soon as the power is off, the model is gone. If the system detects any form of tampering, it shuts itself down to wipe the model. That's in a weird way that's kind of cool? Yeah. That sucks for me.
Starting point is 00:28:45 It's like Dr. Dufant Schmertz made it. It just has to have a self-destruct button no matter how superfluous it is. That's wild. I don't mean cool in like a, like, that's great way. But it's cool technology. Yeah, exactly. You got to respect it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:01 I guess, you know, with the description of the types of places that might get one of these and assuming the cost. Yeah. Considering it features 8 Nvidia GPUs and all this other kind of stuff. You got some backup power options. I think. I think it's not a huge problem. J.B.
Starting point is 00:29:17 leaves a note. It's not clear from the article, but I'm assuming model in this case might be. talking specifically about model weights, otherwise Google physically shipping you a new version doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I mean, it literally did say, I was kind of wondering about that too,
Starting point is 00:29:34 but it did say earlier, like you would literally ship the unit back, didn't it? You could. You could ship it back to get updates. You could ship the whole unit back. That's crazy. So like,
Starting point is 00:29:44 they might be serious about that. I'm not sure. But yeah, wild. Kind of cool. I understand that like you can if you pay out the freaking nose, you can get a lot better like performing models online right now. But self-hosting models is really cool.
Starting point is 00:30:05 And there's some really crazy stuff. There's a there's a Mac OS specific thing. This isn't in the notes. So I'm not going to have details on it. But there's a MacOS specific model of some kind, whatever. I don't know. I don't know the name of it. But it like basically lives on your cursor.
Starting point is 00:30:21 you're like mouse cursor. So as you're going around and doing things, it'll have like the context of what you're looking at and it runs locally and it can try to help you with things. And somebody was talking about how they were learning how to use DaVinci Resolve. And as they were kind of poking around, it would just like,
Starting point is 00:30:38 I haven't used it and I don't have notes on this. So whatever. I saw that via XDA. Yeah, maybe I can find it. XDA cursor. Curser peep. Is that what it's called? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:49 That's what Hamnetics said. I haven't heard of this. so I'm it sounds a little creepy not gonna lie but it runs locally periodically it runs locally oh course people that's not to know so that's not the name of it
Starting point is 00:31:02 man I can't remember the name of it but yeah anyways it sounded kind of neat there's a and I'm fairly certain it runs locally this yeah my Google foo is still strong
Starting point is 00:31:18 it's a relatively small model and it's running locally, but it's helpful. theoretically. I haven't used it. This is the vibe I got from looking through the article. Very cool. But there's cool stuff you can do with local hosting.
Starting point is 00:31:33 And honestly, for a lot of the use cases people have, you don't need the massive super powerful models. You can just run some stuff locally and it can still be helpful. Try it out. In other sort of AI adjacent news, I don't know if this counts.
Starting point is 00:31:51 as good news, except that it means that I was right, which I never mind. That's good for you. Elon Musk confirmed on Tesla's Q1, 2026 earnings call what he had hedged about on a previous earning call in January 2025. He has confirmed now that every Tesla sold between 2019 and 2023 that had their hardware 3 hardware cannot achieve unsupervised full self-driving and never will. This time they're. was no hedging. This is a quote. Hardware 3 simply does not have the capability. This is not a
Starting point is 00:32:27 quote. Owners would need both a new computer and new cameras if they were to upgrade to hardware four. As recently, this is interesting, as recently as October 2025, Tesla's own CFO was still telling investors we have not completely given up on hardware 3. I'm going to go off notes for a little bit here. Duh. That was off notes. We just need to make sure. Do you remember me telling you? Nobody typed that. Do you remember me telling you
Starting point is 00:33:04 a year ago that I got in that argument with that guy at someone's birthday party? Where I was like, yeah, hey, I know you're like a finance bro or whatever and you're like really good at being a finance bro, but don't you think at some point the liability of selling millions of cars based on that they have a feature that they like completely fucking don't have and will never ever have is going to be a problem that might affect the like finance bro care about sphere of finance.
Starting point is 00:33:34 I realize that everything I'm saying is very, very complicated. But like this computer, no do we thing. You say do we may be bad timey. What are they going to do about it? Do they say? They haven't. We can, hold on, let me get back to the notes for a second here. The core problem is memory bandwidth.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Hardware 3 has one eighth of what hardware 4 offers, which Musk says makes it physically impossible to run the AI models needed for true autonomy. Many of these owners paid up to $15,000 for full self-driving based on the promise that it was just a software update away. Multiple class action lawsuits have already been filed. Now, I want to make something clear. I obviously seem a little, let's call it, validated right now. That's not because I'm rooting
Starting point is 00:34:25 against autonomous vehicles. It's not because I'm even rooting against Tesla. It's because I like seeing liars get their comeuppance and he was obviously lying. Hardware 3. I remember talking
Starting point is 00:34:41 about this way back then. Hardware 3, even if it was years and years ahead of its competition, was a small chip compared to what other leaders in the space were building like Nvidia at the time, and they were like not close. It just obviously was not powerful enough.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Obviously. And there's no way that Tesla hasn't known this for years. Because if it was good enough to do full self-driving, do you really think that they would go to all the work to make a new chip? Why? That's not how the automotive industry works. when they have something that performs the function they want it to perform,
Starting point is 00:35:24 they keep making the same one because that's way cheaper. Or they do what like a console manufacturer might do, where midlife, they will move it to a new process mode in order to take advantage of better power efficiency and better thermal management. They don't just build something that has eight times the memory bandwidth for fun. Um,
Starting point is 00:35:52 Musk says that Tesla will offer discounted trade-ins towards hardware four cars or direct retrofits, but admits the volume is so massive that service centers can't handle it. His solution is building micro factories in major cities to run the upgrades like production lines, though no timeline,
Starting point is 00:36:11 no cost, and no concrete details were given. Uh, there's a Linus note on this one. This is actually the second time. He's admitted that hardware three is not going to be to do it. The last time was a tweet though. This time was in an earnings call where, you know, maybe it matters, but probably doesn't. It's been very remarkable for me to watch how many
Starting point is 00:36:33 times obvious lies have been told in context where like legally you're not allowed to lie like that. And this company just has not been called on it. And I just, I find the whole thing very, very baffling. I often get asked, you know, why do you hate Elon? I don't hate Elon, but I don't respect people who don't respect me enough to look me in the eye and tell me the truth. If you can look me in the eye and lie to me over and over and over and over again, why should I respect you in return? You're just a liar. And to me, it's one of the worst things you can be, to have no integrity and to just to just brazenly lie i don't respect it do you think there's any room for him having hope that they could make it somehow wildly more efficient and adapted or something so
Starting point is 00:37:37 here's my thing because why would he's going to have to announce it eventually why would he wait he's either what's the benefit in doing it now instead of a few years ago um the benefit of doing it now is they've kind of pivoted to new shiny with optimus the robots and stuff um like it's it's about it's about managing the mood as much as it is about or even more than it is about you know financial results or actual product development or anything like that it's about it's about keeping people chill with the vibe um so this is this is right in the lead up to the space x IPO which is going to have him in the news for for positive reasons again so a quiet uh yeah that's not going to work but like we've got all these ideas for a plan
Starting point is 00:38:21 And by the way, by the way, SpaceX, SpaceX, SpaceX. It's just, it's part of the grift, right? It's part of the game to just kind of keep things going. And, you know, as for, do I think that there's a world where he really believed that it was one quarter away? Well, it would have to be one of two things. Either he's a liar or he's stupid. And I don't know. I'll let him pick which one he wants to be.
Starting point is 00:38:49 because there's no way that someone with all the experience running tech companies that he has would have any way of thinking possibly like when it's so obvious to a you know pathetic YouTuber like me there's no way that he didn't have people internally telling him hey this isn't going to happen so he's either a liar or he's an idiot and so i don't know you guys can pick which one it is but those are the only two options. If he actually believed that it was coming next quarter, then he's a fool. And if he didn't believe it, then he's clearly a liar.
Starting point is 00:39:25 So those are only two choices here. David needs to speak to me. Okay. Luke, do you want to pick a topic? Probably something I can grab. David apologizes in advance. He doesn't mean it. What should we talk about?
Starting point is 00:39:47 I'm going to stay. steal this topic. Xbox drops game pass prices as Call of Duty officially exits services day one launch slate strategy. Now, this is a thing where it doesn't mean that was really fast.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Are you back good? You're back for good? Yes. Okay, got it. I didn't even have time to finish crunching that chip outside of the microphone range. No, I do actually have a quick update for you guys. David needed to cut down the length of the Shipstorm callout in our upcoming video that he was working on.
Starting point is 00:40:26 So in order to make up for it, it's going to be a shorter one. I need you guys to buy more stuff from Shipstorm on WAN Show. Dan can handle it. Okay. Carry on. So we were talking about how Xbox drops its price as Call of Duty is exiting the day one launch strategy thing. So Xbox has officially dropped the price of GamePass ultimate
Starting point is 00:40:45 from $30 to $23 a month. actually huge. What the heck? Yeah, that's enormous. Effective immediately, with PC Game Pass also falling from $16.50 to $14. But there's a big catch. New Call of Duty titles will no longer be launched day one on the service. Instead, they'll show up about a year later. That's kind of a yikes. During the following holiday season, with the Cod released schedule, that basically means it's not on there.
Starting point is 00:41:16 You can play the single player, I guess. can play like you can play cod with your friends or you can play like poor poor people cod and be ostracized like when you think about the social pressure of having like the one that everyone's playing that's basically that's basically the divide that they're creating here that's a really interesting line because like is it so they're saying seven dollars less per user is worth it if people are still going to buy full fat cod outside of that yeah this this gives us insight that we would not have any other way of getting. Yeah, that's very interesting.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Like how much of the like the cost of game pass is just call of duty? Is that wild or what? Well, at least what they think it is. Yeah, at least what they're projecting. It's not like they haven't had a call of duty launch on Game Pass. So it's, yeah, it's got some pretty good information. I'm sure it's based on something. That's pretty crazy.
Starting point is 00:42:15 I know the new Microsoft Gaming. CEO, Xbox CEO person said, like, oh, game pass is too expensive, but I don't think this is just altruistic. I think it's going to be a business move. Yeah, she's actually been seemingly doing some pretty based stuff so far.
Starting point is 00:42:32 I like the moves. She's at least saying that she's making so far. Yeah. I know I was pretty tentative on her because she came from AI background. Yeah. But yeah, the statements I've seen so far are good. The like, we are Xbox. We should drop the whole Microsoft gaming thing was dope.
Starting point is 00:42:47 Did you see the new Xbox logo? No. Dude. It's badass. Yo. So the, uh, it's back. Yeah, the like, this thing is gone. Good.
Starting point is 00:42:58 And this is back. That's so good. That's sick. So I don't know. Keep making good moves and, and maybe one singular thing out of Microsoft lately will be good. I'm willing to be, uh, I'm willing to be open-minded on that, you know? Uh, but yeah, I mean, game, game pass price drop is, is, is, is,
Starting point is 00:43:17 sweet. The new logo looks fantastic. The whole idea of really centralizing around Xbox instead of Microsoft gaming is great. She made a statement about like, you know, games being human crafted, which I thought was pretty chill. Cool, sweet. Yep. Did you finish all of this reading through all of it? No. Oh, okay. Sorry. Carry on. This comes just days after the new Microsoft CEO, Ash Sharma, Leaked Asha. Sorry, Asha Sharma leaked memo called GamePass Too expensive.
Starting point is 00:43:50 The price hike to $30 only happened in October 2025 one month before Blackop 7 launched. Okay, so it was raised for that. So I just loaded back down. That's fine. For context, Bloomberg reports Day 1 Cod access cost Microsoft over $300 million in lost sales last year.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Yikes. With Blackop 7 launched sales down over 60% in some lot. markets. Wild. Microsoft spent $69 billion to buy Call of Duty, put it on a Game Pass, hiked the price to cover it, and is now pulling it back out.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Was the whole thing worth it? I mean, if they're... I mean, it could be. Dude, we're at the point now where, like, the billions of dollars for company acquisitions have gotten just crazy. Like, remember when Twitch sold...
Starting point is 00:44:37 Dude, AI stuff? For one billion dollars. And everyone went, whoa! Okay, like for context, Twitch, while not a moneymaker, is a strong brand with, like, strong recognizability for younger people with countless users. Like, it's a hyper-powerful social media video platform, and it sold for a billion dollars. And then it was just, like, what was it, like, 10 years later or whatever else?
Starting point is 00:45:10 that Twitter sold for $44 billion. And, you know, I just, it's, it's, yeah, are you talking about this $1.75 trillion or whatever? Yeah, okay, so SpaceX acquires Cursor for $60 billion. They have, they have the right to. They haven't actually done it yet. But Cursor has been like, you can buy us for $60 billion. But are we just, are we just reaching a point where these numbers are just,
Starting point is 00:45:39 kind of pure silliness with absolutely no attachment whatsoever to business reality? Or is that point well in the rearview mirror behind us? I think it's behind us, to be completely honest. Like, I would sell Linus Media Group for $60 billion. I'd sell the right to acquire Linus Media Group for $60 billion. No problem. It's like, what's, I bet I'm more profitable than them. It's just as legitimately on paper as the memory purchases from Sam Maltman.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Yeah, exactly. Amaker in full-paintcha said, as a British Indian, I can confirm it's pronounced more like A-Shah. Thank you. Sounds good. Was it worth it?
Starting point is 00:46:22 Wild. I mean, technically they did get more than just Call of Duty. There was Candy Crush Saga. World of Warcraft. Whatever stuff, Blizzard is pissing away. I've heard people are happy with the new stuff.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Oh, yeah? I don't even remember what it's called. Latest candies? No, the wow stuff. Oh, really? Midnight, midnight. Okay, well, that's cool. Yeah, oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:46:54 Oli Cool says, yeah, new wow good. Overwatch is apparently also like, I think since they just gave up on the whole two stuff, it's been getting more traction again, which is interesting. Wow, Rob Phil says StarCraft Tabletop Game Coming.
Starting point is 00:47:10 What? Schwatt? Interesting. Please don't tell me it's just risk. You have my attention. You know, game-inspired tabletop games have been doing pretty well lately, actually. StarCraftTmG.com. Maybe the page will load about our car.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Oh, I'm on it. My page loaded. Nice. Okay. What am I looking at here? What am I looking at? Table-shop miniatures game. So is it Warhammer?
Starting point is 00:47:40 these are very concept already. 60 to 120 minutes. It's Warhammer. Oh, okay. I mean, sure. Oh. It sure is Warhammer. Oh.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Okay. So they're just chasing that Warhammer money. Yeah. Apparently them Warhammer gamers got them monies. All right. My God. I mean, they don't call it Warhammer 401 for a reason. that's pretty good i've never heard that before i haven't either that is pretty good that's good that's good
Starting point is 00:48:17 okay okay okay are you gonna load a price please uh i don't think it's gonna happen nope all right well anyway good luck with that blizzard yeah um yeah let's uh let's let's let's do let's do a thing let's all right uh where do i find that oh uh i already i already kind of did that though. I mean, sure, let's remind the people that Shipstorm is live on LTTStore.com. We are fighting back against shipping costs that are out of control, thanks to rising fuel cost, by giving you guys free shipping. If you're on the U.S. store, any order over $150 U.S. dollars qualifies for free shipping. And if you're on the worldwide store, any order over $225 Canadian dollars qualifies for free shipping. No code required, just load up your cart, and you are good to go.
Starting point is 00:49:12 The best part is if you are a floatplane supporter plus, so that's over at LMG.g.g slash floatplane, you'll get an even lower threshold. So this is a perfect time to sign up for float plane. All you have to do is sign up for, I believe it's the $13 a month tier, and that will push your minimums down to $100 US or $175 Canadian on the global site. To help you reach these thresholds, we've got some sweet deals for you. We have buy more, save more on blank teas, scribe driver pen and pencils for just 20 bucks,
Starting point is 00:49:43 free tech sac if you buy a commuter or LTT original backpack in the U.S. And it's running from April 24th to May 7th, so don't wait for the storm to pass. Get in there now. What else am I supposed to be doing, Dan? A couple comms if you want. Oh, right. Okay, right.
Starting point is 00:50:01 And if you place your order now, then it's a perfect time to send a com, a checkout message. We don't believe in sort of throwing money at your screen, just in hopes that maybe your favorite streamer, senpai, will notice you. We think that it's great for us to be able to interact with you guys, but we also want you to get quality merchandise in the mail. So we created checkout messages, which are the best way to interact with the WAN show.
Starting point is 00:50:28 All you've got to do is head over to LTTStore.com. Luke's on it. Add some terrific quality merchandise to your cart. You went to LTT Labs.com Shamedless plug. Shameless plug. Nice, nice. New site, by the way.
Starting point is 00:50:43 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The new site is live. Now is a great time to go just like browse the site and check out all the cool stuff. The team worked super hard on this. By the way, by the way, the multi-pocket laggings, dude. Smash hit. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Do you remember me talking about like, hey, we really need this to be a success or like women's apparel might not be a thing. Dude, but they're gone. Classic LTT store fashion. Try to get some for friends and family. They're gone. Nice. So many sizes are sold out. So if you want to have a shot at them, now's a great time to go check it out anyway. I don't know. Throw a scribe driver in the cart. So all you got to do is throw something in your cart and you will see the checkout message interface. You can leave a message. That'll go to producer Dan who will reply to it or he will just pop it up like that one that's up at the top right now or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. By the way, There's a new dashboard where you can see your checkout messages. How do people access that?
Starting point is 00:51:44 Where is it again? So just in case you miss the little pop-up like this. I think it's at the bottom here. There's a spot somewhere. Yeah, so if we go to my screen, checkout message portal right here. Yeah, so if you're signed in, there you go. Noice. That is like the geekiest.
Starting point is 00:52:06 1990s, how many page visits my GeoCity's site has received thing that I have seen in forever. I actually kind of like it. Oh, yeah. That's pretty cool. That's very cool. All right. Anyway, Dan, do you want to show us how it works by curating a couple of checkout messages for us? Before, hold on before you do that, though.
Starting point is 00:52:26 David Gochier's neighbor, Joseph is apparently a huge LTT fan, and it's his birthday this week. Oh. Happy birthday, Joseph. Happy birthday, Joseph. David never asked for anything like that. So when he was like, hey, it would mean a lot to me. If you could shout out Joseph, I was like, yes. Sure thing, sir.
Starting point is 00:52:44 All right, Dan, hit me. Sure thing. Happy storm sale, DLL. Can you please tell the story of what happened to the Motos shirt? I was going to buy one as a gift for my employee. Only one. It's all that was deserving. No, I can't.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Okay. Sorry, what was the question? The Moto shirt is no longer on the site. Oh, yeah. Up next. At some point, I may or may not know what I may or may not be able to say about it. But it is not this day. How has the process for vetting sponsors evolved over time?
Starting point is 00:53:29 Any learnings you care to share? Yeah, actually. I mean, I think in the very early days, we didn't really have a lot of choice. It was pretty much whoever was in my Rolodex from my time at NCIX and, you know, was willing to go to bat for me and try to try to allocate some of the budget that at the time would have been predominantly allocated to like written media for this like newfangled YouTube sponsorships thing. It's still wild to me how long the transition took and even now as has continued to take given how how data heavy. video is and how sort of like obviously more trustworthy those metrics are compared to more traditional mediums like magazines like I've talked about this on the WAN show before but did you know the way that magazines calculate how much you're paying for ads assumes that that magazine gets
Starting point is 00:54:24 read cover to cover like like six times or something like that like newspapers too like they would calculate that every newspaper passed through multiple people's hands and that every person who looked at it looked at every single ad like Like it was crazy. Whereas with video, we had, you know, the world's biggest advertising company with the most sort of, as far as I could tell, trustworthy analytics saying, hey, you got this many views. And people just, like, they weren't into it. They weren't interested in it. So for a long time, it was whoever would go to bat for me and would, you know, get us the support to sponsor the videos.
Starting point is 00:55:03 And then from there, there was a big transition to, like, radio advertisers were moving into podcasting. And then from podcasting, it's a pretty natural transition into, like, video podcasts. And then from there, a lot of those folks, like the Squarespace of the world, the, like, Dollar Shave Clubs of the world, made their way into YouTube. from there that model proved so successful for companies like Dollar Shave Club that in growing their business that I think over time it just became sort of part of the playbook and so nowadays like I was I was at a conference recently for YouTubers and YouTube executives it's over now so I can I can disclose that it existed and one of the big things that YouTube was talking about that other creators are talking about
Starting point is 00:55:56 is like major, major brand partnerships. You know, one talked about working with McDonald's. They showed this example of like a collaboration between State Farm and like a more athletic-oriented YouTuber who tried to kick like a whole bunch of field goals or something like that. So nowadays, you have kind of a ton of choice. Did I think the one way did a state farm thing? So you got a ton of choice these days.
Starting point is 00:56:21 And so back to your question about vetting, I guess what I'll say is in the early days we didn't really have to. because it was all brands that we like already were intimately familiar with the product or the people and so we like we knew or later on it was super established brands who if they had a bunch of really awful skeletons in their closet they would have come up at some point in the podcasting world
Starting point is 00:56:42 which is like kind of a more sort of professional old school media space and then now that your inbox at any given time if you're a mid-sized or up creator is just going to be full of sponsorship opportunities, it's a ton of work. So I got to give a ton of credit to both our business team and our community.
Starting point is 00:57:03 So we actually, I think the team does a quite good job of just sort of doing background checks on sponsors that we work with. And I also think our community does a really good job of highlighting things that arise with the brands that we're working with
Starting point is 00:57:19 that don't align with our values and with our expectations which I think in turn elevates the perception of the brands that do meet the bar and that do work with, you know, Linus Media Group. So, you know, for us, our brand selection really comes down to that they operate with integrity, that they take care of our viewers. Like if one of our viewers comes to us and basically goes like, yeah, this brand screwed me over. Like I got scammed and I have receipts. You know, that's something that we want to know and we have feedback. We have a feedback forum for that at Linus Tech Tips.com on the forum.
Starting point is 00:57:58 And that's a huge part of it. Just maintaining that accountability and that integrity all the way, all the way up and down. This is super off topic, but you were talking about Dollar Shave Club. And I realize that I haven't heard about them in freaking forever. I just looked it up and like, they do still exist. But I was like genuinely somewhat surprised by that. I find it really interesting. Certain companies,
Starting point is 00:58:27 maybe even certain products. I looked it up apparently Dollar Shave Club is under capital management now. So like, okay, whatever. But certain companies, they just sort of stop eventually. I find this especially in like, you know, like. Well, they run out of VC capital. Snacks and certain like grocery stores stuff. Yeah, like Medrinas just was like spending money like there was no tomorrow and then suddenly there was no tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:58:50 Yeah, but even like, Even like a... Savage jerky? Is that another example? No, I'm talking even big brand stuff. Oh, sure. Even if you're like under the Coke umbrella or something. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Madrina's not only still exists, but they have a Dave the Diver? Like... What is this? Is it like an energy powder thing? That's hilarious. All right. Squid flavor. Sure.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Sure, why not? But there will be like some... Think of some like snack that would have been advertised on TV like crazy when we were kids. And then you never hear about it on any form of advertisement ever in many years. Dunkeroo's. I literally haven't seen Dunkeroo ads since I was a child. There was Dunkeroo ads like every channel when I was growing up. Dunkeroo's, Dunkeroo's, get as much frosting as you choose.
Starting point is 00:59:41 I'm sure they still exist. But like it's, yeah, for sure. It's weird to me though that they'll just, they'll just stop at some. point. They will just completely turn off the, the advertising pipeline. But this, you can't call it a nostalgic snack and then shape the cookie like that. It was a foot. Ugh. Terrible. Literally, literally inedible. I don't know if I had Dunkerroos. But yeah, there's ads for them everywhere and then they just stopped. There's, there's a ton of things like that too. When you walk through the grocery store, it's like almost a weird, if you go through like mostly the boxed goods
Starting point is 01:00:21 area, obviously. It's kind of a weird experience of like, oh yeah, I remember ads for that thing like 20 years ago. I've never heard of it ever since other than it just being on the shelf. It's just interesting to me like how these, if it's Coke, I kind of understand because you probably have an R&D group that's for just like all of your different product lines and they'll just release some stuff kind of whatever. But if you're a relatively smaller company,
Starting point is 01:00:51 Like, what, you just like fire everyone and stop? But you just keep making your product, I guess? I literally don't know. Apparently there were lots of different shapes of Dunkerries. I'm finding other shapes of Dunkerries. Coke also has murder squads to help. Yeah, I'm not endorsing them. That's a whole separate thing.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Yeah. To be clear. Happened in a whole separate country completely out of your jurisdiction. So what are you going to do about it? Throw it out of court. It's a wild story if you want to go down a rabbit hole. Yeah, it really is. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Oh, speaking of brands sort of doing things that are not always totally predictable. Or wait, do you still owe us another com? Oh, no, we're moving into topics now. I mean, we could do another one. I would probably prefer that. We have quite a few. Okay. All right, let's do one more.
Starting point is 01:01:35 I am looking at possibly getting a new handheld. I know Linus has a large variety of them. I have the OG steam deck. Is it worth it to upgrade to something different? Money is not in consideration. Oh, I mean, yeah, sure. if money's not in consideration, buy one of each. Okay, I know people don't hate it when they say that.
Starting point is 01:01:54 People never really mean that money is not a consideration. Money is always a consideration. You could literally be shopping for a private jet, and money would still be a consideration, because there's degrees of copious amount of money. But, okay, I'm going to assume that what you meant is that you could fit into your budget any one handheld. and if that's the case
Starting point is 01:02:20 I gotta tell you that I haven't yet seen my perfect steam deck upgrade there are handhelds that are bigger there are handhelds that are better there are faster
Starting point is 01:02:38 rather there are ones that have features that the steam deck doesn't have you know like if you wanted an OLED screen You could get this one. Or if you wanted... There's Steam Deck a lot.
Starting point is 01:02:51 Better compatibility. Yeah, but they have an original Steam Deck, though. Oh. If you wanted more compatibility, there's ones that run Windows. If you wanted one with detachable, like, JoyCon things that have, like, mice in them. Lenovo has one that does that. Like, there's... You name a gimmick.
Starting point is 01:03:08 Somebody has it. If you want one that has, like, ergo grips, there's the Xbox Ally Series X-Ali thing. You know, something like that, right? but Valve keeps saying, hey, we need like next generation level hardware in order to rev the steam deck, in order to do a steam deck two. And Valve keeps holding off. And I kind of, it's hard for me to disagree with them. Now, with that said, I do daily a more powerful handheld. I have an ROG ally that's actually.
Starting point is 01:03:45 my daily driver, which is crazy because I actually have an Xbox ROG, L-I-X, whatever it's called thing, in my house that I don't use because, and this is going to be crazy sounding, when I'm playing handheld, I actually prefer the flat deck compared to the like, the like ergo grip thing, or at least I don't prefer the grips enough to be worth how much extra space it takes up in my backpack. Do you think it's, uh, okay, that's a pretty interesting argument. Do you think it's hand size? I think that's part of it.
Starting point is 01:04:15 but I think it's also just like that the ergo grip thing is like perfect for playing like this and I don't always play like this sometimes I'm lying on my tummy sometimes I roll over onto my back and the flat deck just works a little better for me so that ally
Starting point is 01:04:34 that I upgraded on short circuit with the J-So upgraded battery and then the new back on it so it's a little bit heavier is actually still my preferred handheld out of out of all of them even though it's like an older it's an older handheld sir but it checks out
Starting point is 01:04:49 you know my favorite I never played it laying down looking up but my my favorite for ergonomics handheld if you can even call it that was that the the Wii U controller oh yeah I really liked the like feel
Starting point is 01:05:05 that's one of the reasons why I was like a little frustrated with the switch when it first came out I was like I get it the Wii you controller is really bulky. Oh yeah. Because it was set up for a home console. Switch like practically pocketable by comparison.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah. But it just didn't feel like my, my hands were very cramped on the original switch. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean my hands were cramped on the original switch. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:27 With that said, there is, there is a handheld that, uh, you know, it is next generation in terms of performance. But you would be spending here. Yeah. Here, hold on.
Starting point is 01:05:38 What does a win five go for right now? Here it is. GPD store. Dot net. Okay. nine reviews. Okay, people mostly are pretty into it.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Okay, that's good to know. This guy's a little disappointed, but still gave it three stars. All right, what's a win five worth right now? Two grand. That's not even the top configuration. That is the base configuration.
Starting point is 01:06:05 One terabyte of storage. That's actually the one that's the most painful to me. Like, okay, I want two terabytes of storage. Sorry, excuse me. $400. Storage is so ridiculous right now. That's rough.
Starting point is 01:06:19 I want to go to a Risen AIMax 395. Oh, oh, that'll be, sorry, that'll be $2,800, sir, also. Oh, okay, you also get, I mean, honest, oh, wow. Okay, well, I would take, I would certainly take the 64 gigs RAM, 2 terabyte storage, and the better CPU over the 4 terabytes 32 and then lower CPU, because these ones, it's not just the CPU that's worse for this one. it's also the GPU. So this is the more powerful GPU.
Starting point is 01:06:46 So yeah, you're spending $2,800 US dollars. Handheld, and it's barely handheld dude. It has like this like battery pack thing that weighs a flippin' ton that clips onto the back of it or how I usually ended up using it
Starting point is 01:07:03 was with the weird tether. Yeah, especially the tether. If you're like commuting on a train or something with a lot of your time, which I suspect a lot of handheld bros are commuting on trains or buses or whatever. I could see that being fine, to be honest. Yeah, so here's the tether.
Starting point is 01:07:20 It's pretty... That's weirder than I expected to be honest. Because it's just the battery. It looks like he was for like a platform or something. Am I seeing that wrong? So this is the clip interface here that sticks onto the battery. The battery interface that is on the back of this battery and is on the back of the machine. And then it just like goes to an umbilical cord to the back of the thing.
Starting point is 01:07:42 It can be like this or it can be like this. And so, yeah, is there something better than the steam deck? Like, yeah, there's lots of things that are better than the steam deck in some way. But there is, in my opinion, nothing that is better than the steam deck in every way. And that's tough. That makes it tough for me to recommend something and without like knowing you and knowing exactly what you're after. And I can see why it makes it tough for Valve to go. Okay.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Here's Steam Deck 2. Yeah. And especially now amidst the Ampocalypse. Yeah, I don't blame Val for waiting at all. I think it makes sense. I think it makes sense. I think my time, I'm like, I've already kind of convinced myself I'm going to buy a Steam Deck 2 when they get announced, like right off the hop. That.
Starting point is 01:08:34 I feel like it's too late to get one now, yet out of all of them. That's the one that I want right now, if that makes sense. so I have my switch to I'm just going to hang on to that I was contemplating selling it but no I'm just going to hang on to that and then when the Steam Deck 2 finally comes out I'm assuming it's going to be another like two years
Starting point is 01:08:55 hopefully not much more than that I think two years sounds about right yeah because by then we'll be like well into Steam Machine and Steamframe life cycle so they'll have had some time because realistically ain't no way that the steam machine, steam frame team
Starting point is 01:09:14 is not pivoting to Steam Deck 2 once they're done. So give them a year to get everything kind of going with those. And then there's no way that they don't get some resources for Steam Deck 2 and then make that happen. Oh, hi Josh posted.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Do you play games that are too much for Steam Deck? It might still be worth it. That is a super interesting question that I've had some conversations with actually some people in the labs about of like... That's a super fair. point. If you want to play Bellatro,
Starting point is 01:09:44 if it's a Belatro machine anyways, then who cares? What does it matter? It could be a fun video for you guys to make is like the Steam Deck, however many years later. 95%, no, not 95, but like 85% of my hours on my ally or Steam Deck over the years are tape to tape. I also, yeah, I could have played that on anything. Yeah, another angle, and this was not my idea, I don't remember who said it, but maybe it was even you. I, I've,
Starting point is 01:10:12 genuinely no memory of who said this, but if you could somehow get like the original or close to the original version of SteamOS on it and compare the performance then to now. I don't know if we benchmarked it at the time. I don't really think so.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Someone might have. There'd be so many variables. I think someone might have actually done this. Oh, maybe? I don't know. Wasn't it Nvidia only though? And like, I think maybe you could, like, hack in radion support. I don't remember the details well enough. I'd have to, they should put in video cards.
Starting point is 01:10:49 No, for the Steam deck. For the Steam? No, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. Oh, you mean SteamOS 3, but like the first version of SteamOS 3. I meant, yeah, the first version for the Steam Deck. Got it. Oh, I thought you meant like...
Starting point is 01:11:03 I didn't say that. It's my bad. Sorry, the one from like 14 years ago. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Or 10 years ago or whatever it was. I mean, like, what performance, changes have happened. Like deep diving, what is it like to own a steam deck this many years in? I think it would be kind of fun. So like how much performance gain have you had from updates or lack
Starting point is 01:11:21 thereof? Who knows? But I think it would be gain. How is you're like, hey, let's look at like the top 10 games that are compatible with Steam deck. Yeah. In terms of players right now, how well is it performing on the Steam deck? Like, is this still a highly viable device for most people, stuff like that. I think it would be kind of fun. A little interesting. I think it's a cool idea. We have so many video ideas on the docket right now. Issue is bios updates would be difficult to downgrade. Yeah, we'd have to try to find like an unboxed one or something. Wouldn't be an easy thing to do. Yeah. But it could be kind of fun. I feel like that's the kind of thing that Valve, if they weren't so flipping busy right now, might even be interested in
Starting point is 01:12:01 helping us with. Like, hey, could you guys, we just, can we ship you a steam deck and can you please put it back in like, there's no way they don't have it somewhere. My expectation is that there's actually been some pretty massive jumps in performance, looking at like the things that have happened. Oh, definitely. No question. Ever since the original launch. So that could be like, honestly, a really good thing for them to have.
Starting point is 01:12:23 Something that'd be a good thing for us to have is a more coherent strategy for how we're transitioning to the WAN Show channel. I think we may have to just pull the plug. on streaming WAN Show to LTT because right now it's causing a lot of confusion for people. We go live and we have a separate Vod on the Linus Tech Tips channel and on the WAN Show channel. And I got to say, I'm actually
Starting point is 01:12:50 surprised and impressed with how much of the community has flipped over to Wanshow channel. It's almost, it's not quite 50-50, but it's like getting there a lot faster than I thought. So WAN Show channel is around... Five views? That's views. Okay, and then the live... The live one is the far left.
Starting point is 01:13:08 one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I think we might just have to like, we might just have to do it sometime soon here. I didn't foresee this, but it totally makes sense. Yeah, the second someone told me like, oh, there's, there's two in my feed, this sucks. I was like, oh, right. Yeah, I'm really sorry. We do need to co-stream for a little while, but guys, uh, if you are watching on Linus Tech Tips channel right now, please sooner rather than later, get subscribed over on The Wan show. So go go look for the channel. It used to be the LMG Clips channel. We rebranded it. Go subscribe over on the WAN Show. We got to get everybody moved over there sooner rather than later or you will not see WAN Show anymore. And the reason for it is it's a business reason. Luke and I are now
Starting point is 01:13:54 50% co-owners of the WAN show, which means it's got to get off of the LTT channel in order to secure its long-term future. Thank you Wanshow for your service. All right, let's jump right into our next topic here, which is, oh, Lord, should we do it? Let's talk about it. AMD's Rise of 9, 9950 X3D2
Starting point is 01:14:20 dual edition launch. If you were wondering how the chip performs, it's virtually identical to a 9800X3D or 9950X3D in gaming. It got a 4% to 5% improvement in productivity workloads, like kind of creator-focused stuff, and in some
Starting point is 01:14:36 science workloads, it did even better than that, but for most people, it doesn't really make sense unless you see it as maybe kind of like a budget workstation CPU for folks who can't afford a thread ripper, and also don't need the PCIE lanes, and also don't need the insane memory bandwidth of thread ripper, and don't need the upgrade path to many, many, many more cores, don't need, you know, registered dims, they just can use ECCU dims. There's a lot of compromises using it as a budget workstation, but there is an argument to be made there. Of course, with such a...
Starting point is 01:15:13 Sorry, excuse me, interesting launch. Naturally, the more exciting component of it in the community has been the discourse around AMD's sampling strategy, which... You can tell the CPU was not super interesting. Well, can you? Because some reviewers felt that they were... left out, you know what, I'm just going to read the thing.
Starting point is 01:15:46 In our communications with AMD, we were told that they had limited units and wanted to focus on developers before sending units to reviewers. That seems to be that a message that did not quite line up with their strategy because some very gaming focus channels like hardware unboxed were provided with samples. This confusion has led some to assume that AMD was preferentially seeding to friendly reviewers or even blacklisting certain publications. Tech Power Up noted that even retail partners had received instructions specifically to not provide any units to publications for review. Sourcing review units from retailers is a pretty common practice and has at times been approved by AMD in the past. Igor's lab criticized how this sort of selective sampling hurts consumers because they don't have access to the broad amount of data they usually would to make an informed decision.
Starting point is 01:16:37 One of our fellow channels in the industry released a video stating they believe they've been blacklisted by AMD. This came from GN, who said AMD excluded us not only from sampling, but from information about the announcement. They also noted that they have been moved to a third-party PR agency rather than communicating with AMD directly. So as for our side, we also are communicating with AMD through a third-year-old. party agency. The agency did get in touch, and they did answer some technical questions before launch. They were not timely about it. And they did not provide us with a chip. I have been, I have in my notes how we got our chip. It apparently fell off the back of a truck just outside of Smash Champs, our affiliated badminton club. So that's really fortunate, actually.
Starting point is 01:17:32 and in summary, no, AMD did not blacklist anybody because we didn't get a chip. Basically, this comes down to their sampling strategy was different for some reason. Weird. What it looks like to me is regional. So outside of the North America region, YouTubers seem to have gotten samples.
Starting point is 01:17:55 And then within the North America region, it looks like they went for more written media for reasons that are AMDs and AMDs alone. I have not seen any evidence that AMD is selectively seating to publications that are more likely to be favorable. Does this seem like big company problems to you? Oh, 100%. So one region's office had a strategy and it didn't necessarily match other regions? That's what it kind of looks like to me because obviously we are not blacklisted by AMD.
Starting point is 01:18:27 I mean, we partner with AMD on a very, regular basis. They literally buy $5,000 tech upgrades for our employees' homes. We're in constant communication with AMD, but we were told, yeah, we're not seating this CPU to you. So, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 01:18:49 Other than just, hey, big companies, do big company things sometimes. I don't think there's too much to read into this one. Seems like a weird move. I'm not like crazy surprised to just because I suspect they probably kind of knew how this news would go. But in general, I would still, you know, I would still like to see all of the CPUs go to CPU reviewers.
Starting point is 01:19:16 Yes, and I mean, but it's all, it's never even been a thing. Like, think back to, like, how Intel has done their seating for a lot of their, like, series launches where they sent, like, this chip and this chip. And sometimes it really seems like, like, self-owning. Like, remember when they launched core? Ultra on the desktop. And they sent us like the worst ones. I sure do.
Starting point is 01:19:35 And we're just like, hey, do you want to sell these or not? Because these ones are clearly the cool ones. And we literally can't put them on our benchmark charts because y'all didn't seed them to us. That was super weird. Like, man, I don't know, man. Big companies, do big company, like, dumb stuff all the time. And maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just used to it.
Starting point is 01:19:58 maybe it's this this does seem like i don't know x3d specifically yeah has like a very alluring pull to the to the tech enthusiast crowd i feel like not including it to video or written reviewers is a little bit odd and again i understand that this chip is also a little bit odd yeah so like Maybe it's fine. But just with the naming it, yeah. If I was AMD, I'll be honest with you. Knowing what I know about this chip, I might have ceded it to like. I might have just not done it.
Starting point is 01:20:38 Wendell and Foronix and then just like not bothered outside of that. Yeah. Because I might be interested in the perspective of someone who's, you know, more attuned to the enterprise space. And then someone who's like hyperattuned to like the Linux and and like, scientific space and then realistically, yeah, it's X3D. And you're going to throw that in the marketing because marketers got to market and they're going to want to sell it to gamers because that's how big company do things.
Starting point is 01:21:11 But in terms of like caring about gaming outlets making a review of it, I'd probably have like zero. Zero cares. Yeah. I mean, based on the benchmarking that happened, it's like, yeah, I would probably agree with you if they knew it was going on there. Yeah, and I mean, obviously, a company like AMD knows what their chip is before they release it, which actually, I shouldn't even say sometimes you do. Sometimes you really do have brands tell you, they're like, oh, hey, so do you love it? I mean, you're kind of like, no, it's slow and expensive.
Starting point is 01:21:43 And they're like, what? It's fascinating. To me, that's just marketing PR teams being disconnected from technical. It's got to be. That's usually the understanding for me. Because, like, you remember the whole backplate thing? It was like gigabyte? I think it was gigabyte with that GPU.
Starting point is 01:22:03 And the board was like, how could you? And then the technical people were like, yeah, we knew. Yeah. We didn't tell them that they just put that in the marketing. Yeah, when they had like some kind of misleading marketing on their product page. Yeah, they said their copper backplate cooled the GPU by three degrees. And it turns out that just having no backplate also cooled it by three degrees. It was just their old backplate.
Starting point is 01:22:27 plate warmed the card by three degrees because it was so bad. Um, so it was, it was, yeah, anyways, whatever. You know what's not bad though? LTT tools casually getting reviews on like PC gamer. What the heck? This came out of nowhere for me. What? Right?
Starting point is 01:22:50 PC gamer. Do they, have they reviewed any other tools? I don't. No. LTT ratcheting screwdriver and precision. Pro Multibit Screwdriver Review. Serious Tools by Jacob Ridley, published not on April 1st, but actually on April the 8th. So this was a little...
Starting point is 01:23:06 That's pretty sweet. Yeah, this was a little while ago. But I just thought this was pretty cool. And it actually included an anecdote about an experience. I don't remember meeting Jacob, but apparently we've at least crossed paths at some point. because apparently this was his expectation from me I wasn't sure what to expect
Starting point is 01:23:32 upon opening the YouTuber branded boxes having once upon a time been at the same booth at a show as Linus as he was loudly disagreeing with someone about quality control I had a pretty good feeling about the quality of the screwdrivers before they arrived that was a good assumption too
Starting point is 01:23:49 as now they're in front of me they feel sturdy and well put together. That's funny. That's pretty good. It's an interesting paragraph that really highlights, I think, why sometimes we do take what feels like a disproportionate amount of flack sometimes when we make a mistake. Because that's what we do is we point out things that are not good enough.
Starting point is 01:24:12 And when our job is to point out things that are not good enough for a living, then people expect us to do the same bloody thing internally. and it's funny because sometimes it would be easy to think about something like that and go, you know, oh, that's too much pressure. I wouldn't want to work somewhere like that. But you know what's cool is I think our team actually embraces it in like a big way. Sorry, I'm not laughing at you. Yeah, no, I think so.
Starting point is 01:24:42 I think they do. Sometimes our product development timelines are also really long, but this is probably part of why. At least part of why. Oh, dude. Dude. There's a product coming. The battery bank?
Starting point is 01:24:58 No. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was going to say you put in a video. You don't have to be... I tried the prototype. I have no idea what he's talking about. Yeah, you do.
Starting point is 01:25:08 I do? It's the one. Come on, man. Really? I tried the prototype. It fucking slaps. Dude. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:25:22 Oh, that one. Oh, yeah. You're that hyped about it. Dude. Okay. It's nuts. Hell yeah. I want to quadruple the order.
Starting point is 01:25:31 Like, dude. Really? Dude. I don't even know what the quantity was. That's really exciting for me, just because I, I feel like I can't spoil it, but there's, there's. Oh, we can't say it. It's too early. For the same reasons that he's really excited.
Starting point is 01:25:43 I'm really excited. Yes. Did you try it? Did you try it? No. No, no, I'm talking to him. I don't know. No comment?
Starting point is 01:25:50 No comment. No, but did you try it? I don't know if I have one or not. No, you don't have one. Okay. You might be thinking of something else. There's only one. So nobody has one except someone.
Starting point is 01:26:02 Then no. Okay, okay. No, don't worry. Forget about Dan. Forget about Dan. I have not. Well, never forget about Dan. We love Dan.
Starting point is 01:26:08 But just... In this context? In this, yeah, for now. For now. It's, um... Dude. I'm very happy to hear that for a huge variety of reasons. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:19 And I'll leave it there. Anyway, the point is, is we have a really passionate team and we and we kind of we embrace those challenges anyway timeline for that is like it's tight yeah it's gonna be crazy yeah knock on wood knock on wood yeah um anyway the PC gamer review i thought it was pretty fair um cool i think there was yeah i think there was like oh i think there was like oh i think you might have kind of overlooked that but it was like super super minor um and i thought they yeah they thought they did a pretty good job they compared it to sort of you know obvious things like uh i fix it protect toolkit but
Starting point is 01:26:51 Anyway, thanks Jacob for taking the time. Sweet. Appreciate you. What do we want to talk about next? We're supposed to do another topic. It is not the coal bar hammer. And guys, that is a... Never happening.
Starting point is 01:27:05 That is a never happening situation. Oh, yeah. Never happening. Every SK Heinex employee could... I think that's a bold could, but could receive... It might happen. could receive $477,000 bonuses this year. Almost 900,000 next year.
Starting point is 01:27:28 Apparently 35,000 workers are set out to benefit from a share of 169 billion in projected operating profit for the year. Ska Hanix agreed last September to remove its previous bonus caps, hilarious timing, and allocate 10% of annual operating profit directly to employees' performance bonuses. with analysts forecasting around 250 trillion one or 169 billion, I'm assuming U.S. dollars in operating profit for 2026. That works out to roughly the previously mentioned 477,000 per employee across its 35,000 person workforce. On top of the $95,000 in profit sharing already paid out in February. If profits keep climbing, bonuses could hit nearly $900,000 per. person next year.
Starting point is 01:28:23 Woo! The AI boom is driving all this. Demand for HBM memory chips used in AI accelerators to sent memory prices through record highs and SK. Hynix is the dominant supplier. The company's transparent bonus formula has become a recruiting weapon against Samsung, which is now facing its own crisis with over. So this is the thing that I thought we were originally talking about for some reason, which
Starting point is 01:28:46 is why I said maybe. I guess the previous stuff is pretty locked in. The maybe stuff is this. So sorry, I had the wrong reaction there. Samsung's union, uh, whoa, wait, what's going on? Over 30,000 Samsung union members are demanding a similar deal with a strike. A strike date set for May 21st. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:29:09 A strike right now could seriously hurt earning potential. This is, this is very interesting to watch. Samsung's union is pushing for 15% of operating profit. pointing out that their bonuses currently amount to less than 30% of what comparable SK Hynix workers receive. Samsung management countered with 10%, which the union rejected. Dude, this is crazy to watch. This is like, this is some peak tier negotiating.
Starting point is 01:29:37 This is nuts. Like, remember when we were talking about everything that was going on with, like, SAG AFTR and, like, in Hollywood, you know, down south? And I was talking about, like, kind of, you know, bold strategy. caught and let's see how it works out for them because they were striking at a time when a lot of studios were actually pairing back their productions and losing money on a lot of big tent pole projects and like this is the hard opposite of that scenario this is the timing you want yeah you're a specialized worker in something that is absolutely bbba bbang in
Starting point is 01:30:15 there is a place making record profits that could definitely hire you in uh yeah it could could very easily definitely hire you and i think they are yeah no they've been apparently taking advantage of this of this situation right now because from an sk hynick standpoint i can see why why not because you're going to allocate 10% of your annual operating profit so what do you care as like at the management level pops no i just mean what do you care at the management level if that 10% is allocated across another thousand people you don't you don't give a shit yeah yeah yeah right because no one's going to be complaining because as long as the profits go up their next bonus check will be bigger anyway it's going to be so freaking monstrous so if they said if they spread it across more
Starting point is 01:31:07 people they could basically just bleed samsung dry yeah that's wild wild wild Woo! It's going to, this, this is going to be, this is going to be an interesting one. Yeah. And, you know, to your point that I think you were getting into, again, S.K. Heinex has nothing to lose here because if the bonus quantity is derived from operating profit, then when the bust inevitably happens. On the other end of this, it just auto scales down. It auto scales down. Because it's still 10% of annual operating profit, but if they're just not.
Starting point is 01:31:45 profiting as much, then it just goes down. So like, realistically, the employees are winning super hard when the company's winning super hard. And then when the company isn't super winning super super hard, it'll just, it'll automatically kind of correct itself. You don't have to have rough conversations with people about how their wages are going to go down. It's just, well, we sold less RAMs. So yeah, there goes. Dude, it's, it's crazy the kind of scale that these companies work on. Like, the fact that they allocate only 10% of their annual operations, operating profit to, to like performance bonuses. That's like, that's crazy.
Starting point is 01:32:22 Like ratio wise, we are way above that for overall, like, how much we allocate of our operating profit to compensation. And yet we- This isn't to compensation, though. No, it is. It's just performance bonuses. I know. Oh, but the performance bonuses are like the bulk of their comp now.
Starting point is 01:32:39 It's, like, it's crazy. I was looking at the numbers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, the fact that, the fact that they have, relatively only that amount allocated to employee compensation. That's not true, though. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:32:55 It's a little more, basically, is what it amounts to. So, like, that and a little more allocated, and they're able to pay out base salary plus $477,000 per employee. Like, the amount of money that memory manufacturing is making right now. is flipping insane. Yeah, yeah. Flipping insane. And sorry, sorry, sorry, that last number was slightly wrong.
Starting point is 01:33:26 It's actually over 500,000 because that 477,000 was on top of 95,000 already. Like, it's these wayfers, right? If you've got the bad, license to print money, Luke. Yeah, imagine getting it, like, you're just out of school and you get a job at one of these companies right now. I said, I'm moving to Seoul. See you later. Hey, guys, I can do something, I swear. I could, I could, I could do PR.
Starting point is 01:34:00 I could do PR for S.K. Heinzx. I could be, I could be their video guy. Oh, okay, sure. Yeah. I know about PR. Yeah, no. You can do media. We could change our company.
Starting point is 01:34:14 Hey, hey, we could do what that shoe company did. We raise a bunch of money and we do, uh, we do, uh, we do, Rod's idea, Linus Memory Group. There you go. Yeah. We'll build a fab. Just give me a small loan of a billion dollars. And then we'll go, we'll build a memory fab.
Starting point is 01:34:29 We got this. Isn't their whole thing, they're not even building the fab? They're just acquiring the hardware for you. So if you're building a fab and you need a bunch of GPUs, they will like get it for you. The shoe company? Yeah, I think that was their strap. I think they're building, I think they want to build data centers and then like just lease access to them. Like everyone in the dog is.
Starting point is 01:34:45 Oh, gotcha. Have they crashed yet? Is that over? Who knows? Was it? Hold on here. What even called all birds? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. So here was the thing. They're still. So yeah, they spiked to $17 and they're all the way down to seven now. That's going to keep going. This is not financial advice, but that's going to keep going in that direction in case anyone was wondering. So there's like one stock that makes any amount of sense?
Starting point is 01:35:20 on the stock market? Yeah, I'm going for that's going to be the one that actually performs according to its basic fundamentals. I believe you. Not financial advice, not financial advice. I will take your financial advice. Thank you very much. Dan, don't think I don't see what you type in chat.
Starting point is 01:35:37 What is apart from a bowl? It goes, Linus is a bear confirmed. You're saying that it's going down. Yeah, don't think I don't know what that means, though. Just because I use a double undone. It doesn't mean that it's not true financially. Not financial advice, not employment advice either. Call your boss a bear. You're too skinny.
Starting point is 01:36:05 Dude, I weigh so much right now. I definitely don't have the hair. But I like weigh a lot now. I'm 174 pounds now. Take creatine. Way more. Take more. I don't want to weigh more than this. Way more. Way more. No, I don't want to weigh more than this. Mass-maxing Linus.
Starting point is 01:36:23 No, I don't, we don't need that. Thighs as thick as anything. Yeah. Tree trunk Linus. Do you want thighs bigger than her or not? Bigger than Taylor Swift? Yeah. No, I don't.
Starting point is 01:36:34 Think of what I want to win this or no. I don't, it's not a competition. Honestly, I think it should be. It's not a competition. That's quitter energy. Linus watermelon crushing tips. Yeah. That should be next year's April Fool's as you relaunched the only fans.
Starting point is 01:36:48 And it's just videos of you crushing watermelons. Leggings for men. Leggings that have like padded, they're like five foot four. They're like for normal people, like they would not fit around the waist at all. We'd have to create like a low friction space age material between the thighs so that they don't wear out from all the like.
Starting point is 01:37:11 That's how it. Yeah. All right. I'm into it. Oh, I thought you meant padding just so that when you're crushing watermelons, like, you know, it doesn't hurt. You know, it wouldn't hurt. Oh, sorry.
Starting point is 01:37:20 I, okay. I understand. saying that we were not talking about the same thing yeah you know like elementary school you had those planners with the cover that went like zip zip when you ran your nails over it put one of those on in the inside of each thigh so that when you walk it's like jup you dude that would be the like most 90s parachute pants like yeah they put little 3ds on them too just your face going back and forth that'd be great write that down write that down no we're not writing any of this down you won't get that much though and then in a lot of cases you you lose it afterwards all right
Starting point is 01:37:51 You should take it anyways. All right, all right. You should take it. You'll do better at Baventon. And brain. It might also help your brain. Not medical advice. What are you saying?
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Starting point is 01:40:25 Pick the rap Oh yeah sure LTT rap A month ago We posted a video about TikTok hacks And one of the hacks That we looked at
Starting point is 01:40:36 Was from user RapTech 269 Nice 4 Who made a rap About how to use Util Man To log in to a Locked Windows user account
Starting point is 01:40:48 Well he's back And this time He has one about our merch. Okay, I'm not going to play the whole thing just because, like, I want you guys to watch the whole thing. Yep. So I'm only going to play a little bit of it. Have you seen this? No, I haven't.
Starting point is 01:41:01 Oh. But I'm giving them a view right now anyways. Oh, my Grod. Okay, here we go. You ready? Yes. I have tech PCs. You know what? I love the style. Guilty of too much charisma. Hey, Linus said I got too much charisma
Starting point is 01:41:16 on site. So he sent me all the gear. Now we're going to do it right. Is that amazing or what amazing or what? It's up on YouTube shorts. Yeah, no keys posting it in the chat. Like, how? Luke, do you think even with his help I could ever be cool? What, dance?
Starting point is 01:41:54 Say it. Somebody posted something funny in chat. I'm sure they did. He might have enough aura that while you were with him and with his help, he might be able to pull it off. Right. But I feel like once he's removed from the scenario, you are yet again not cool, even if he received your help. So basically I'm like, you received his help. With training, I could be posse grade cool.
Starting point is 01:42:17 I think so. Okay. I think so. Well, that's fine. I'm just glad that he likes the product and I am, my life is richer for having watched this video earlier today. You guys got to hear the rest of it. It doesn't go downhill from there. That's what I'll say. Go, go check it out. Raptek 269.4. Speaking of hopefully not going downhill, Apple names new chief executive to replace, Tim Cook. Apple has announced that Tim Cook will step down to CEO on September 1st,
Starting point is 01:42:56 2026, and John Ternis, the company's senior vice president of hardware engineering since 2021, will be taking over. Cook will move to executive chairman. The transition was unanimously approved by the board and follows that what Apple describes is a long-term succession plan. Turnus has been at Apple since 2001, working under both Steve Jobs and Cook. He's been the guy behind the hardware side of iPad, AirPods, and recent iPhones, and has taken on an increasingly visible role at Apple events in recent years. At 50, he's roughly the same age Cook was when he took over in 2021 and roughly one-tenth of the age of an average world leader.
Starting point is 01:43:44 under Cook's 15-year run, Apple went from a $350 billion company to a $4 trillion one, launched Apple Watch, AirPods, Apple Silicon, Vision Pro, and built out the services business. The biggest challenge waiting for Ternus is widely seen as fixing Apple's struggling AI strategy, which is like behind competitors. Interesting. I don't agree with that at all. Yeah. I think they're actually probably doing like,
Starting point is 01:44:14 the smartest move in the room. But we'll see how it goes. I know a bunch of people have been saying like, oh, but if it like, if someone figures it out, they're going to be so far behind. And it's like, I don't even think so. With the rate at which models are being open sourced and honestly, the rate of Apple's hardware is for running that.
Starting point is 01:44:33 That too. And the rate at which people seem to be very happy to just jump companies constantly. Like the, the, uh, the, the, the relationship with AI companies and their employees, is very, very tenuous. They're just kind of bouncing around all over the place.
Starting point is 01:44:47 If Apple wants to turn it on, I think they absolutely can right now. And I don't think they will right now, and I don't think they should right now. I think they are wisely waiting out this insane storm of spending, keeping their insane amounts of cash that they have instead of just blowing it all. And then when the timing is right, maybe they'll step in or maybe they'll have a different solution. Who knows? Maybe they'll get paid money to use someone else's model as like an advertising thing. Kind of like when they lost the search engine war, browser war, whatever.
Starting point is 01:45:23 Yeah. Like maybe they'll find some way to make it work out in their favor anyways. That does tend to be the Apple way. Yeah. Don't be first. Just be Apple. Yeah. So it doesn't feel like an error to me.
Starting point is 01:45:35 It also like it would feel like an error if Google wasn't doing it. Yeah. But it does not feel like an error. that Apple isn't doing it? Yeah, I f*** with that. Yeah. We actually, this was one of those ones
Starting point is 01:45:50 where you know how we've talked about needing to be more agile as a company in our video production. Yeah. This is one that I sent, okay, hold on, we're gonna have to back up a little bit. Over on float plane,
Starting point is 01:46:06 I was reading through one of, reading through the comments on one of the exclusives that we did. So there's a video where we have this kind of series, I guess, now, because I've done it a couple times, where I interview other executives or other leaders here at the company
Starting point is 01:46:21 and, you know, sort of have a business meeting on camera just like Luke and I do on WAN show every week for you guys, but with different people. And it was actually a commenter who was talking about how... Oh, I like this comment. I know what one you're talking about, actually. You know, James and I talked about being kind of a big ship these days. days and that being a real challenge for us because we've lost some of the agility that we had in
Starting point is 01:46:49 the past. And biohazard, 4524 says to keep James's analogy of them being a big ship that turns slowly, what I think they would love is to be more like an aircraft carrier. Yes, the massive ship turns slowly, but you can launch fast craft and helicopters to go try that new thing to be a platform to make quick things doable without going under. And I actually immediately screen shoted this and posted this in the executive chat and basically went, this is what we need to do. We can't stop being a bigger ship than YouTube channels that are literally one person or two people or even five people. We were more agile when we were, you know, a dozen people. And that's just inherent.
Starting point is 01:47:33 There's more. There's more people who need to know. There's more people who need to, you know, approve things. I have had some conversations. recently where we'll talk about like okay we could do x y or z thing and the response will be like yeah but then we're going to have to do this and that and this and that and this and that and i've been trying out a response of just like what if we just didn't and it's it's kind of fun watching people's brain explode and so um so basically i was like okay but we have to find a way to be more agile to
Starting point is 01:48:10 get things done quickly and circumvent the process when it's necessary. And this Tim Cook retirement announcement is actually something that we went aircraft carrier mode on. So we kept the ship going in the direction that it's going and a small team of one of the relatively new writers on the team, his name's Sean. and he put together like sort of some key milestones from Cook's career and like kind of a draft of what a script might look like. And then I sat on the plane on the way back from the event earlier this week. And I banged out a script. We shot it the morning I got back in.
Starting point is 01:48:52 It was edited today. I'm going to review it tonight and it goes up, I think, this weekend. And so we need to start doing a better job of that. and the only way to start doing a better job of it is to start doing a better job of it. Just fucking do it. And so we're putting it in action already. And this was just such a great example.
Starting point is 01:49:15 I don't remember how we got on this topic even, but this was such a great example of the importance of community feedback in what we're doing and how dialed in. And it's not just me who's reading this stuff and who's engaging with you guys. It's lots of people here at the company who just care and just want to make a better product,
Starting point is 01:49:34 whether that product is a shirt or whether that product is a video or whether it's a streaming platform or whether it's, hey, why don't we transition into another topic here? And let's have a look at some of the sick content that's been posted on LTT Labs.com. Ah, yes. Check this out.
Starting point is 01:49:51 Dude, Nick and Steven working on some pretty sick freaking content. This is... I bought. This is such an interesting question that when Intel announced this, I was like, oh yeah, I wonder how much this helps. I wish someone would look into that. And then little did I know.
Starting point is 01:50:10 And you didn't ask us. Little did I know, somebody was doing it and that somebody was apparently me. Thank you, Labs team. So the long and short of it is that Intel has some tools that can help their, especially their new Core Ultra 200, series processors perform apparently quite a bit better. And so there's actually a few different optimizations,
Starting point is 01:50:39 Intel Extreme Tuning utility, R-X-TU, Intel Application Optimizer, and then the new Intel binary optimization tool or I-Bot. And pretty much you go in here, you tweak all your stuff, they show you like how to enable it, and then boom, here is
Starting point is 01:50:58 the improvement and performance that you can get with a 200, S series processor, so these are the newer ones, with boost off and with boost on. What exact chip did we use in the test bench? Test bench, where is it? Yeah, I can't remember off the top of my head either. It changes the PL1 profiles.
Starting point is 01:51:18 What chip is it? Okay, well, this is something we might have overlooked a little bit. Oh, no, no, no, here it is. Here it is. So with the 285K, oh, no, sorry, this is not the new plus one. So this is the older 285K, which gets a pretty substantial boost, actually, across a pretty wide variety of games.
Starting point is 01:51:38 Anywhere from like 2.5% to over 4%. And that's in 1% lows. So that's pretty cool. And then with the new plus, the new 270K plus, we actually got way less. Yeah. That is pretty fascinating. So yeah, guys, go check out that article.
Starting point is 01:51:57 And, and that's just one of the cool thing. that went up this week. Did the CMF 2026 one go up? Not this week? Oh, they must have just I must have just come across it. No, no, that was two weeks ago. Oh, I thought you're talking about the
Starting point is 01:52:13 the phone brightness one. No, no, no, that one we talked about last week. But this one, this one slipped my notice. So this is talking about like color on Apple's new displays. Really, really, really cool article as well. I didn't see it until this week. So I'm getting to the point, man, where I just like,
Starting point is 01:52:28 I'm like chilling and waiting for LTT Labs to release a new article. I'm noticing that you're, that you've been. I find them on Reddit. Noticing them without. No one will ever go to the damn website by itself. No, they will.
Starting point is 01:52:42 They will. Be optimistic, Luke. Hey, hey, you got to have. We still, okay, we still, I have to, I have to point this out. You have to understand. We still have people asking us, like, when are you guys going to have an RSS feed? It's, it's right here. It's right here.
Starting point is 01:52:58 It's also, it's also. it's also right here it's also just hold on just in case just in case hold on i go to the bottom it's it's also right here if you click on here it's everywhere it's we can't we can't put it in more plate we get people go out of their way to email us asking when we're going to have these things and they're please use them. Yeah, yeah, use them. It's good. It's good stuff. Come on. Heck yeah. Way to go LTT Labs. Love to see it. All right. What else we got? Oh, this is cool. I actually, man, I'm on the fence now because I knew you'd be excited about
Starting point is 01:53:47 that whole bringing cutting edge models on-prem with like the Gemini hardware appliance. But I can also see why you picked this one for one of your headlines. is opening up its AI-powered likeness detection tool to all of Hollywood. Actors, musicians, athletes, and the talent agencies and management companies that represent them will be able to use this tool
Starting point is 01:54:12 that works kind of like content ID except for faces, scanning the platform for AI-generated deepfakes of enrolled individuals and then letting them review and request removal. It is free, opt-in, and works even if the person doesn't have a YouTube channel. The tool has been in a phased rollout since actually late 2024, starting with CAA clients and then expanding to about 5,000 creators last fall, then to politicians and to journalists in March.
Starting point is 01:54:40 The entertainment industry is the biggest expansion yet with CAA, UTA, WME, and Untitled Management already on board. YouTube says that enrollment data is only used for detection and is not used to train Google's AI models. Flagged videos are reviewed individually and content that falls under parody satire. or commentary may stay up. The expansion comes after the SORA launch last fall, flooded the internet with deepfakes of celebrities and dead public figures, making the need for this kind of tool,
Starting point is 01:55:09 kind of hard to argue against. It's cool that YouTube's doing it. That's sweet. And for free. That's awesome. YouTube is not perfect. I call them out in public and in private on a pretty regular basis. However, however, however.
Starting point is 01:55:27 let's look at all the other large video platforms I know I've said it on WAN show before but this is what I keep going back to TikTok meta dude relatively speaking they're awesome they've been for a company to be on top as well for as long as not only around but as big and on top
Starting point is 01:55:54 for as long as they have been I am very surprised. They don't seem way worse and way more corrupt than they are. Think about how... Think about how often big tech changes the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further. Yeah. And with users...
Starting point is 01:56:16 With users, I think there's a pretty strong argument to be made that they have changed the deal in pretty substantial ways. Some of those changes, in my opinion, come with the reality of just not being like VC funded anymore and needing to run a profitable business model. I can't blame them for that. You got to eat. But in terms of the way that they've engaged with the creators on their platform, the ones who give it the value, the way that they have consistently stuck with that profit share model is nuts. Yeah. Literally, even seeing, even seeing how the model works,
Starting point is 01:56:56 whether we're talking Vine, whether we're talking TikTok or meta, no matter who it is, even seeing that obvious playbook that has worked so well, YouTube calls it, they call it a flywheel, right? The flywheel spins.
Starting point is 01:57:11 Creators create amazing content, which benefits YouTube, which makes money, which goes to creators who spend it on content, who make better content. That flywheel that YouTube relies on to continue elevating
Starting point is 01:57:22 the level of content on it, and attracting creators to it. It's in public. It's plain for everyone to see. And nobody else can just, they can't do it. They can't take out their wallet and just share the revenue. Which is kind of funny because by many accounts,
Starting point is 01:57:44 it's like actually cheaper and easier than doing something like Netflix where you have to make the content yourself. But just no one else will do it. But I still maintain, like, YouTube is really cool considering what it could be. And there's some stuff that sucks. I'm still salty about the dislike button and shorts have been very frustrating for me. Although I do have an interesting update. I heard on the open source creator Discord, a few people got access to the app update. And it does what we were hoping it would do.
Starting point is 01:58:19 When you set your shorts limit to zero minutes, it removes, shorts entirely from your like main page. But if you go to a creator, you can still find the shorts. And that, that is completely fine in my mind. I still don't like that if you do manually go find some shorts, it's incredibly easy to bypass your zero minute limit. But the fact that it kind of removes it from there is cool. And no the, oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah, let's check it out. Okay. So I have it now. shorts feed limit zero minutes so uh you might need i'm gonna yeah i'm gonna close the app yeah and then i'm gonna i'll log into uh i'll log into my account actually no i'll i'll stay on the l t t account i guess i saw shorts okay so wait yeah i see shorts immediately no they're gone they're they're gone wait scroll down
Starting point is 01:59:14 no that's playlet play oh wait youtube playables oh for crying out loud can i get rid of these not interested okay yeah okay yeah no shorts Bonanas Sweet Top news Holy bananas dude That's crazy
Starting point is 01:59:38 No shorts Also this is a This is a quality recommendation You're gonna get How is that? How is that in my recommendations
Starting point is 01:59:55 right now? Fantastic Um Those Yeah That's a That's a throwback Was it the work account
Starting point is 02:00:01 Uh Someone's looking up The Das Boot beer song Amazing Amazing is like that 19 dot com Is that 19 still around?
Starting point is 02:00:12 I have no idea Now I want to know Yes All right Let's see what's on that 19 Oh okay It feels like the same stuff though This is literally like
Starting point is 02:00:25 I think they made the video About this five pound gummy bear Over 10 years ago Yeah Honestly I saw the gummy bear And then I saw the micro magnets And I was like Nothing has changed
Starting point is 02:00:36 Dude I mean Look Why would you Hold on a second Hold on a second Hold on oh Get out of here
Starting point is 02:00:43 Look listen Listen sir I ain't a mathematician But let me tell you Let me tell you this Times How much is it $57 and 9 cents
Starting point is 02:00:55 57 Woo In gummy bears dude Let's go 5.7 million dollars of gum We're in the wrong business sir You should be making gummy bears Make some creatine gummy bears
Starting point is 02:01:05 Make some creatine gummy bears gummy bears. Do it that way. That is, that is wild. It's interesting that they, they put like a, like a purchase counter on, it seems like every product. It's not just, it's not just key ones. Rapper chicken pen. That seems like dancing. Okay. Well, yeah, that's, that's definitely a site that still exists. The supersized playground ball with unmatched durability.
Starting point is 02:01:38 No purchase count on this one. It can handle a little... Oh, this is new. This is in their new tab. I see. Okay. Catching a ball with the world's largest glove. All right.
Starting point is 02:01:54 Man, internet, you have really... You've really gotten to be a thing, haven't you? Let's go... Let's talk about... Let's talk about who dims? H-U-dim. Have you seen this? Yep.
Starting point is 02:02:09 I'm not quite sure if this qualifies as good news, but it's certainly... It's news. Fascinating news. It might be good for like... I don't know. No, I don't think it's... I think it could be. I think it's just dumb.
Starting point is 02:02:20 Super cost-effective computers where you just need something. I guess. You need a ramstick in the computer so it can turn on. Intel Asrock and Team Group have unveiled who dim, half-unbuffered dim, a new DDR5 spec that uses one 32-bit sub-channel rather than the usual, too. Fewer memory chips per stick means that it can be cheaper to produce, as long as you don't need the extra capacity anyway. With that said, early benchmarks confirm the trade-off is pretty brutal.
Starting point is 02:02:56 You get a little over 50% as much band with across the board, which makes sense because if you had a single 32-bit sub-channel instead of two 32-bit sub-channels, then you would have half as many 32-bit sub-channels. Then, in order to get the performance that you might expect from DDR5, you would actually need two hoodims in dual channel. And that would be the same as like one conventional DDR5 stick. The whole thing exists because of the DDR5 shortage that has been driving prices through the roof. It's aimed at entry-level desktops and office machines that don't need peak memory performance. But hear me out, DDR4 for those.
Starting point is 02:03:34 Okay, that doesn't help office machines. and like, oh man, it just feels like a lot of manufactured-y waste. One interesting thing, though, is that you can apparently start with a hoodim today and then add a regular DDR5 stick for an asymmetric setup. So we've seen asymmetric memory before. I remember back, AMD socket A. So this will be a deep cut. Did I use it right?
Starting point is 02:04:02 Socket A. Yes. Had three sticks. had three memory sticks and the way that it worked was even though it did support dual channel you had two, or it's three memory sticks, three slots. So you would install two sticks
Starting point is 02:04:15 in dual channel and then you could install a third memory stick in the last slot that would operate in single channel mode and the idea behind it was that you'd use the dual channel memory that was running in dual channel faster speed until you had too much in memory and then it would overflow into the single
Starting point is 02:04:31 channel one that was slower. Um, Nvidia also famously pulled this a similar move on the, um, GtX 970, which had three and a half gigs of RAM at full speed and then it had the other half a gig of RAM at a lower speed due to the way that the, uh, memory bus was configured. Um, it wasn't that big of a deal in either of those cases. It worked pretty good, but I don't think this will be a huge deal either. I still think who dims are maybe just like not maybe amazing. Um, um, I don't think they're cool. Maybe it'll help, again, office computer situations, but...
Starting point is 02:05:13 Yeah. Neat. Hopefully they're relatively cheaper enough, that it'll be helpful. The thing I actually found most interesting about it was how they apparently tested it. So, let's see, let me see if I can find a picture. Tom's hardware doesn't have a picture of it, so let me have a look. maybe tech power up also has an article. Do they have a picture?
Starting point is 02:05:40 Show me the picture. I don't know. I saw a picture of how they tested it somewhere. And basically they just took a regular not hoodim and put some capton tape or some like packing tape over the contacts for like the other 32 bit sub channel. I was like, oh yeah, okay. I guess that would work as long as you.
Starting point is 02:05:58 As long as you have bios support for just activating the one side. I was like, oh, okay. I would have never thought of it. What if I just taped over half of the, half of the, the thinkers on my memory stick before I put it in. Yeah, no, I wouldn't,
Starting point is 02:06:14 I would not, I would not think of that. It wouldn't occur to me. No, we'll do that after. The EU is starting February 2027, going to require batteries and portable devices to be, and this is a quote, readily removable and replaceable.
Starting point is 02:06:33 Hazza! And, this is key, that has to be by end users using commercially available tools. No proprietary screws, no heat guns, no solvents. Replaceable batteries must also stay available for at least five years after a product leaves the market. This is super interesting. This is super cool. But there is a notable exception. Devices that manage to hit IP67 waterproofing and that can maintain 80% of their battery capacity after a thousand full charge cycles,
Starting point is 02:07:03 are exempt. Apple already meets this threshold on every iPhone since the 15, and most flagship Android phones likely do as well, meaning that the phones that many enthusiasts actually care about may not be impacted by this, and many of the phones that people may not find to be worthwhile to bother repairing because of the costs involved in upgrading or repairing a device,
Starting point is 02:07:30 may be the only ones that are actually impacted. Some outlets, though, are reporting that this could still push manufacturers toward easier battery access across the board, since budget and mid-range devices that don't hit the exemption thresholds would need to comply, but the regulation may end up changing very little about how flagship phones are built. Our discussion question is, if every flagship phone qualifies for the exemption, does this regulation actually change anything? Or did the EU just write a right-to-repair rule with a loophole big enough to drive a phone? through it.
Starting point is 02:08:07 Given that not everybody buys flagship phones, which seems to be kind of a carrier subsidy sort of market assumption that everybody just like has a flagship phone, it just might be a few years old or it might be a current one. No, I think this could actually make a substantial difference because those those more value oriented mid-range phones where either they didn't pay for the IP certification or they are not built for it could end up being built in a way that makes the batteries easier to replace
Starting point is 02:08:38 which is never a bad thing. I do worry a little bit that again, the device is most impacted by this might be the ones that also aren't getting software updates after that time and therefore might have security concerns around using them.
Starting point is 02:08:53 But I consider this still progress. I was going to say steps. And phones are just a small part of the portable electronics picture. Like, I got, man, I got super offended by my stupid old toothbrush that had a battery that was clearly intentionally designed to be impossible to replace. Not impossible, but very difficult.
Starting point is 02:09:16 I was just like, this is offensive because the only reason that this doesn't work anymore is because you made sure it wouldn't. It sucked, and I resolved never to buy a toothbrush from that company again. I don't remember who they are, but I still have it. How do they do that? basically just like the way that when it was closed up the way that it closes
Starting point is 02:09:35 kind of like break it latches and things like conceal the access cover and I can understand a little bit of that it might have been done like kind of maybe for water resistance like it used to like a magnetic charger so it was like quite sealed up but I think that
Starting point is 02:09:51 it seemed intentional and when I looked up a guide it seemed even more intentional I did not like that yeah very upset yeah I think it was Oral B Fire Panda Sasquatch says Yeah I'm pretty sure it was Oral B So I will never buy an Oral B toothbrush again
Starting point is 02:10:06 Unless they fix their fix their biz So yeah I can see this making a much bigger difference In spaces like other personal electronic devices Maybe not as much in phones Speaking about fixing their biz I don't know if this is positive Maybe it is
Starting point is 02:10:25 Nintendo is getting tariff refunds apparently but their customers should probably get those considering they raise their prices. Two U.S. gamers have filed a class action lawsuit against Nintendo, arguing that the company is about to double dip on tariff costs. When Trump's tariffs hit last year, Nintendo raised prices on Switch consoles, Switch to accessories, and controllers by $5 to $50 across the board, explicitly citing tariffs as the reason. CEO Shantaro Furukawa told investors in May, 2025 that tariffs would be incorporated into the price.
Starting point is 02:11:01 After the Supreme Court ruled the tariffs unconstitutional in February, Nintendo sued the U.S. government to get its tariff payments back, and the government is now processing roughly $166 billion in refunds to over three. Oh, this isn't just a Nintendo. Okay. Well, to over 330,000 importers. The plaintiffs argue that since Nintendo already passed the tariff costs onto customers through price hikes, getting a government refund on top of that means Nintendo collects the same money twice. Nintendo isn't the only company facing this. FedEx, UPS, Costco, and eyeglass importer, Esler Luxottica, have all been hit with
Starting point is 02:11:43 similar lawsuits. FedEx actually promised to pass refunds back to customers and got sued anyways. Oh, America. hilarious. When asked back in March whether it planned to share refunds with customers, Nintendo said Nintendo would only say we have nothing else to share on this topic which is akin to saying nothing.
Starting point is 02:12:04 Discussion question, Nintendo passed the tariff cost to customers and is now collecting a refund from the government. Companies that raise prices be required to pass refunds back. All right. Alon asks Linus if you get a tariff refund for LTTStore.com sales, would you return them to
Starting point is 02:12:20 customers? Did you raise prices for tariff stuff? For us, it was not black and white. We did not simply increase our prices and then adjust our new retail price according to our new cost. Or walk to
Starting point is 02:12:36 mortar. Or walk to mortar? You said it did not. One does not simply. And what I suspect is that for a lot of other companies it probably wasn't that black and white either. So let me explain what
Starting point is 02:12:54 we did when a certain someone had a little bitch fit about whatever and decided to go to trade war with the whole world for some reason. Basically, we went to our suppliers and we said, hey, you know, it could significantly impact our volumes through you if you are not able to do anything to help us help our customers weather this storm. So some of it was absorbed by the manufacturer and supplier partners that we engage with both onshore and overseas. All right.
Starting point is 02:13:36 Some of it was absorbed by our customers. We did raise prices on some items. However, some of it was also absorbed by us in multiple forms. So for some things, for example, you might have noticed that T-Short. are substantially more expensive on LTT store U.S. compared to LTT store global. That is not because we are making more money on the U.S. store. Back when this whole thing first happened, I made the call for us to, in spite of the extremely high tariffs on those T-shirts, basically eat the margin on them.
Starting point is 02:14:18 Yeah, because I think that's the last I heard of it. We, as far as I know, unless anything has changed, our pricing for t-shirts on LTTStore.com is higher, but it is only higher reflective of our increased costs. If I recall correctly, we are either not making money or barely making money on T-shirts on the U.S. site ever since this whole thing went down. Also, there were other costs that were incurred by us
Starting point is 02:14:49 that were not directly related to... That's one I was going to bring out. Product cost. We spent an inordinate. No, I'm not going to say spent. We wasted a fucking inordinate amount of time and money dealing with shit that was completely unnecessary. None of this had to be done.
Starting point is 02:15:09 We literally had to roll out a U.S. warehouse in order to soften the blow of these price increases, these import taxes. And store. For our American customers, we had to develop a split store that has now a global store and a U.S. store. That also created more friction, which reduced sales. It also, like increasing your price because of tariffs will reduce your sales as well. There was an impact on our sales volumes.
Starting point is 02:15:40 So we took an impact to our profits. We took an impact to our sales volumes. We took an impact to our overhead. none of which is directly, actually only one of which is easily sort of directly measurable. The rest of them, it's hard to say exactly how much of it was born by us versus born by someone else. That being said, I'd love to see consumer relief as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:07 And I think we, did we talk about this on WAN show or just off WAN show? It's very multifaceted in how this impacted sellers. But I don't know if we did it. Did we talk about this on WAN show or off WAN show? Because I think I did talk to you about how, yeah, it does seem kind of fucked up that at the end of the day, you know, just businesses are getting helped. Shit always rolls down a hill, right? And so the end user, the end user, I mean, I talked about this.
Starting point is 02:16:35 And it's so weird because the math is just math, right? The math, math is math. And so at the end of the day, if there's an increase in price, somewhere in the, supply chain, at some point, the customer will pay for it because that's the only way that someone has to pay for it and it's always going to be the customer. And it sucks that ultimately the customer bore a lot of these costs, but, and then, right, and then it's not the customer who is, I mean, I don't even see how you would administer a program. I've been trying to think about that. Where every customer would go back and what, what would they claim against? I don't think you could do it
Starting point is 02:17:16 accurately. I think you'd have to do it for like, I think you'd have to ignore. Hmm. I think my way would be below a certain income threshold. You just get like a certain amount of tax break or something. Have to do it below a certain income. Yeah. I mean, it's based on like direct consumption. So how would you do that fairly? It's impossible to measure. Yeah, because I think it would just have to be the same amount for everybody. Yeah. It's, it's definitely very, technically impossible to measure, but like, oh my God. God. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:17:51 So in summary, I haven't seen how much we're owed yet. Actually, I think that, I think that Tony said that sometime either last week or early this week, he'd have a rough idea. I'm actually, I'm going to, I'm going to ping him now. Any idea on what we are owed for tariff stuff? Yeah, let me see if I can, I'll see if I can find that out. but what I suspect is that it's nowhere near what we spent reworking like our company.
Starting point is 02:18:27 There's no way because it's... It's... Yeah, it's not measuring the intangible stuff, all the insane meetings, the massive amount of opportunity cost. Like the time that people like me and Taryn and other senior leaders at the company spent talking about this instead of,
Starting point is 02:18:47 of how do we make more videos or make more products or serve our audience and serve our customers in ways that are positive and constructive instead of just undoing completely unnecessary negative impacts is it would be pretty tough for us to measure after the fact to be honest with you. And so yeah, the bottom line is I really don't. but, man. Hamnetics said the tariff income balances out to about 450 U.S. per resident. 450. Was it that much?
Starting point is 02:19:21 That's wild. That's, that's insane. I mean, yeah, I mean, it makes sense because it was on so many imports. Yeah. Man, what a, the, you know, this is going to, this is going to come across, like, crazy. But a small part of me actually wishes that at least, you know, they had stayed in effect then. At least then the whole thing would have been for something. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:19:53 Because now it's for nothing. Basically, a whole bunch of global companies had their time wasted. A whole bunch of consumers had their money wasted. And there's no extra money to put theoretically into public services. It's just the whole thing is just and and now there's the additional overhead of having to administer this program and refunds. Ultimately what ended up happening is nothing. The U.S. government made life super hell for a lot of companies and is now going to have to pay them a ton of money. I think there's interest.
Starting point is 02:20:28 From consumers. I think there's interest. And consumers are going to get hyperhosed because they're not going to get jack. So this government just shoveled money towards companies, which is effectively just shoveling money towards. rich people. Yeah, but shoveled money towards companies after costing them a bunch of money. Yeah. So not even like, not even just giving a hand out to the rich. You're like, hey, do a bunch of unnecessary work and have a bunch of unnecessary expense. Yeah. And then we'll pay you back with interest later. Thanks. You're
Starting point is 02:21:02 still going to be at a loss on this, but thanks. I'm at a loss. Yeah. Um, hey, but we've got some good news because it's good news, wancho! Apple has fixed a flaw that allowed the FBI to access historical push notifications. Yeah, that news sucked. I didn't like that. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm happy we're back to good news. Which one? I don't know. Oh, the Nintendo getting tariff-free funds. I mean, it's good news for Nintendo. Yeah, yeah, technically. In Apple's update notes for 26.4.2, it includes a logging issue was addressed with improved data redaction to resolve an issue where notifications marked for deletion could be unexpectedly retained on the device. Before the fix, cleared or deleted notifications were sometimes stored in a notification
Starting point is 02:21:48 database which had been recoverable using forensic extraction tools. I believe it was Signal who flagged this. And our discussion question is, good job Apple, because apparently they got it taken care of relatively, quickly. So I think that's pretty cool. That's Apple putting their money where their mouth is, putting their development efforts
Starting point is 02:22:09 and towards something that really benefits the privacy of their users and I'm always going to support that. Oh, I might have accidentally minimized a couple of just like impromptu topics. I still have one of them here.
Starting point is 02:22:27 This is pretty good news. Yeah, if there's another one. HexOS. has gone V1.0. Oh, nice. Yeah. Remember the whole controversy when they first announced
Starting point is 02:22:39 around local dashboard access? Yeah. It is now live. Which is good. Which is good and should have always been a thing. But hey, look, John, their CEO is
Starting point is 02:22:49 one of the nicest, most humble people that I've ever met. You know, when the community told him, hey, you're wrong about this, even though there are, you've got all your technical reasons
Starting point is 02:22:59 why it made sense to do it the way you did it. This is really important to us. You're wrong. He said, okay, by the time we go 1.0, we'll have it. He made the commitment. It's done. Great. And you got to, you don't have to like the thought process.
Starting point is 02:23:15 You don't have to like how long something takes, but you got to, you got to respect the follow through. So, uh, hexOS for those of you who are not familiar is the NAS software that I invested in a while ago. And, um, man, I was at Creator Summit. And, um, three? creators spontaneously came up to me asking me about like what would be the ideal thing for keeping their data safe like 3-2-1 one of them even described the concept of buddy backup to me and asked if if there was something on the market that existed like that and I was like it's common buddy backup's not implemented yet the local dashboard is there but buddy backup is still coming soon and the idea behind it is that Luke could I could give Luke a couple hard drives for
Starting point is 02:24:04 him to put in his NAS. He gives me a couple hard drives for me to put in my NASS. And then we're just buddies and we just use a secure tunnel to store encrypted versions of essential data on each other's NASS's. We don't pay any subscription fee to any cloud provider. It's just buddies, backing up
Starting point is 02:24:20 buddies and I'm like, I'm so excited. Just things Windows definitely could have solved. I know. Okay, why are you bringing things negative now? You're sad about Windows. I get it. You know what?
Starting point is 02:24:35 Sorry. It's my bad. You know what, I get it. The last topic just threw me off, man. No, no, no. We're not going to let the vibe be wrecked. Hey, that was the other one. I remember what the other thing I wanted to talk about was.
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Starting point is 02:27:02 Well, that was a shorter conversation than I expected. I, when we were leading up to it, and even maybe after the first one a little bit, I, I saw rumblings. Saw rumblings in the chats and in the forums and Reddits and never watch again. Out there in the comments. You know, I expect more, you know, 360 degree coverage. And you know what? That's totally fair. That's totally fair.
Starting point is 02:27:26 I think we can compromise it a little bit. I think particularly important negative topics can be included. But in general. I think we should aim for general positivity. I think with the state of the world right now, I think to a certain degree it is our duty to... He said duty. To... And I think this is true for like a lot of creators to try to, you know, do the song and
Starting point is 02:27:59 be a place that doesn't have to be as dark as where a lot of other places are right now. Sorry, what did you say? I'm like super tired. I woke up at three in the morning. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that was not coherent. But I understand what you're saying. Was it actually not?
Starting point is 02:28:14 It seemed fine to me. Be a place that is not as dark as everywhere else. Then you said something about other creators, are they? Because I don't. No, I'm saying it's the job of us collectively. Oh, okay. Now I understand. Not necessarily genuinely everyone, but like.
Starting point is 02:28:27 Okay, cool. That makes more sense. Okay, according to Tim, it was perfectly coherent. It must be me. Sorry, I've been traveling a lot too. I also did. Yeah, I'm genuinely wicked tired. So like, it makes sense to me if it was not super coherent.
Starting point is 02:28:41 Luke said, let's get pizza. Yeah, nice. Yeah, I, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, after the first couple, I started to see the, the rumblings go away. And the rumblings started to go the other way. And I felt the same way. Dude, like, we would finish Wancho and I'd like feel all right. And a lot of the Wanchos of the last like while before we were doing this.
Starting point is 02:29:05 Yeah. I'd finish Wancho and I'd just be kind of down. Yeah. Like not, I was more than down sometimes. I was like done. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:29:13 Like I even have a character for like when I can't anymore, you know? And that's like, that's not a state you want to reach every Friday. He hasn't been kicked off in a while. And I think a big part too is like, I think this is universally true. for all of us. We're all getting the negative news. Yeah. I don't think they also need it here.
Starting point is 02:29:33 Yeah. Like, and again, if it is particularly important. Yeah. Or a particularly big deal for whatever reason. Yeah. Sure, we can include it. But if it's like, okay, you have to pick one. If Lena Kahn passed away, we would have to cover that.
Starting point is 02:29:48 And that would be bad news. That would be bad news. That would be cataclysmic, bad news. Yeah. But if you're trying to compare, like, which one of these two topics should we include, and they're pretty similar in importance level, but one of them is good news and one of them is bad news. Ditch the bad news one. Yeah. How about this? How about, how about, how about, if it's an important security thing or something, we can still flag it. I'm going to say,
Starting point is 02:30:13 90% ratio. Yeah, I think that's reasonable, to be honest. So you can pick, so we'll tell the, like the news team, which, and actually, I'm usually the one who goes through and picks the topics for the show, but whatever. So, but basically, when you bring the menu, if you're bringing 20 topics, only two to three of them. Should be negative topics. So pick the ones that are important. Stay the path said exactly. Algorithms make sure you get the bad news. And I think that's kind of an interesting way of approaching it. We should try to be the opposite. Yeah. And I'm so here for it. It should be a positivity skewed algorithm of news. We've been live for almost three hours now.
Starting point is 02:30:54 and if I compare how I feel right now, like how just tired and drained I feel right now, because it's a little bit. Like we've been, you know, we've been on for three hours, right? That's a long time. Like,
Starting point is 02:31:08 I don't actually envy, like, game streamers who are live for like 10 hours a day. Like, some of them, like 12 hours a day, these guys are crazy. It's, it can be draining. Other than being awake for so long at this point, I don't feel the, like,
Starting point is 02:31:23 social exhaust. I often feel from Wancho because it is such a like, oh. Yeah, I don't feel like that. That topic was heavy and gross. Time to go into the next heavy and gross topic. Yeah. Ready to feel down again. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 02:31:39 And look, it's not like we don't know these things. We literally like have to review them in order to, you know, get the topics together for the show. And it's not like, it's not like I didn't notice Google that your news feed scrolls infinitely now and never says you're done. okay well unless you're having like an issue with you know loading on your data or whatever right like i like i'm getting it all and i know you guys are getting it all i i want to move forward with good news wandshow maybe maybe that's just it maybe the wandshow channel is is an oasis of of positivity
Starting point is 02:32:12 and optimism about technology amidst just a sea of of diarrhea about technology you know yeah let's do it. Yeah. And now let's do some check out messages, Dan. Well, I also think there was a, I don't know if I addressed this on the show or not, but there was one of the first Good News WAN show, someone pointed out that we like got off topic for a second. We got really negative about something. I don't even remember what it was. And we got kind of like called out for it on Reddit and I agree with them. Because whatever it was we were talking about, I don't remember what it was, but it just wasn't very important. It didn't matter.
Starting point is 02:32:55 And we still talked about it on a good news Wands show. And I was like, you know, that was unnecessary. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. If it's necessary, let's talk about it. If it's not, let's keep it positive. I think that's cool. Yeah. Let's do it. Okay. Yeah, we've got quite a few today.
Starting point is 02:33:23 Luke, every site wants me to make a past key these days. How is it possible that pass key is more secure than a strong password? I have 2FA and still get asked to make a pass key for those sites. I wish I could answer this for you better. I honestly haven't done enough research on pass keys because they're so infrequently available. I feel like the past key utopia that we were promised did not happen. And I'm, I can't say it failed. Well, it didn't happen.
Starting point is 02:33:54 I didn't say it failed. Yeah. I said it hasn't happened. Yeah. And this hybrid of like sometimes using a pass key and sometimes a password and sometimes a 2FA token or a notification on my phone is actually just worse than any one of those things. And it is starting to get like almost like like a like a triggering thing when I need to log into something. Like I tried to I had to get into the labs building today and I'd been logged out at Unify. And I was just like, dude, you got to get a form.
Starting point is 02:34:27 Bob. It's a way to go. Well, see, I carry the actual, like, master key to the building. So it was only because I was going in the side door that it mattered. So it's like, yeah, whatever. Stife 2002 said, PASCII is basically asymmetric encryption. It's something you have. It takes the knowledge and fishability completely out of the equation.
Starting point is 02:34:46 This is where, this is why I haven't even bothered to look into it because, no, it doesn't, in my opinion. And then why do I even need it? Because my phone is already a thing I have. which I already just biometrically authenticated for, so your pass key is already redundant. Like I just... The reason why I'm saying no, it doesn't, is because most services that I know of
Starting point is 02:35:10 that have pass keys also allow you to just have like, oh, we'll just text your phone, bro. Yeah. You want another option for signing? Yeah. We can just text your phone, dude. Do you remember that time?
Starting point is 02:35:23 Remember that time I showed you how many authentication methods I had on one of my accounts. For Google or something. Yeah, it was like terrifying because half of them didn't even like work anymore. But they were, they had just all been set up at some point. Yeah. And then and then Sife said that's the implementation.
Starting point is 02:35:39 It's horribly implemented implemented like horribly worst ever. And yeah, no, I totally agree. I wasn't saying saying technically what you said was wrong. What I'm saying is that right now as they are, they're kind of irrelevant in my experience. I have autofill already, so they don't really make it so that I log in any faster. It's also not doing biometric stuff like you're talking about, so it doesn't really skip a step on mobile either.
Starting point is 02:36:09 So it just like, I don't know, and then you can just bypass it by using a different method. And you can say like, oh, well, you know, I won't do that. But for us, personal security is like a little bit less important than org security. And any user can just be like, nope, I'm going to include being able to text my phone. So, whew. Uh, yeah. Basques can require biometric authentication. It's the site's choice.
Starting point is 02:36:41 This is like almost my whole point that they don't. They're not doing that. They are also allowing you to, in many actually like high important account situations, bypass it entirely by texting your phone, which is like the worst possible. thing. It's, it's the, the problem is like the tech can be as cool as the tech wants. If it's not used fully and uniquely, then it just doesn't matter. Because it can, it can be as secure as you want if you're still receiving text messages. It's all out the window. There we go. Hey, la de la, can you talk about an event where the outcome still boggues?
Starting point is 02:37:33 you. Sure. Actually, I was thinking about this just earlier this week because of the whole supposed blacklisting of certain YouTube media by AMD. Like I basically, I was, I was kind of asked to give an example of a time when a brand, you know, had a seating strategy that didn't really make any sense to me. And there's one kind of favorite story that I have. And it was a, it was a large multinational display manufacturer who had like the hottest display on the market like this like it was so cool it's like this like giant curved like freaking amazing nobody else would have had the stones to make something like this and we reached out to them trying to get uh trying to get a sample trying to get a review unit early because we were like very excited about it and wanted to make a
Starting point is 02:38:30 video and pretty much just like wanted to game on it and talk about how freaking huge and immersive and cool it was and they turned us down and we were pretty bummed right because obviously we like to make videos about cool tech that people want to see and that that gets us views it gets you know you guys informed on this cool new product and it gets eyeballs on the product for the brand it's you know stacking ws i love stacking ws and this seemed like an obvious w stacker And they were like, nah. And I was like, okay, well, that's a bummer. Fast forward, I kid you not.
Starting point is 02:39:06 I think it was one week later. It might have been two weeks later. It was like almost immediately, in our business leads inbox, an offer from that same company to do the exact video that we pitched editorially, this time from an agency. So this is like classic right-hand.
Starting point is 02:39:28 hand has no idea what the left hand is doing, an offer to do that same video on that same monitor for, I kid you not, it was like tens of thousands of dollars. For a video that I wanted to do for free and was told, nah, that is an event where the outcome still boggles me. Hi, can I do something for you for free? No, but what you can do is do it for tens of thousands of dollars. You just gotta wait a little while, I guess.
Starting point is 02:40:00 Bizarre. I will never understand it. Gilmore says, did you take the money? Yeah. Of course. I wanted to do the video anyway. I just, at the time, I don't even... Did you tell them when you got there?
Starting point is 02:40:19 That would have been funny. No, no, they shipped it here. Oh, okay. So there was no one, there was no one to tell. It was just like... I didn't know how big this screen was. Yeah, dude, no, it was. dude, it was hilarious.
Starting point is 02:40:28 It's just so funny. I was like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. And what's crazy is it's not even. Like, we've seen brands are just made up of people. And people sometimes got up really early that day. You know? Yeah. Do you have something where the outcome still boggles you?
Starting point is 02:41:00 Yeah, not really that I want to go into details of some of the contracts for services and stuff. He is like the best negotiator ever. By the way, if you want like a contract negotiating, like just a bulldog, you know. Contract Luke Lefrenier, Inc. I don't know. And your strategy is so simple. You just say no. Is that right?
Starting point is 02:41:34 for the most part. No, that doesn't work for me. There was also one where they had two different associates trying to do sales with me at the same time. Snag that commission. And I ended up doing basically the like walk across the street to the other car dealership thing, but to the same company with their different associates. So the one would say like, oh, well, I can give you this deal. And I'd go to the other guy and be like, well, I'm getting like this other deal from this other sales associate and then have them both like work each other down which was just incredible. There's been some pretty wild stuff. But oh man, I just had one in mind.
Starting point is 02:42:17 Crap. I'll try to keep thinking about it if it comes to me. Maybe I'll maybe I'll chime up. More then. All right. Yeah, hit me down. Yeah. Hey, LD.
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Starting point is 02:43:01 Extras. Linus teaches his son how to be... a host. This one's pretty good. And then there's also a behind the scenes of me coaching a couple of our guests from Intel. Here it is. Linus Host Tips, Intel A770 GPU extras. Both of those two are a substantial amount of my experience as a host in video form training other hosts. So head on over there.
Starting point is 02:43:32 Hey, Luke, as a user of Catchy OS, have you had a chance to... Cashy OS, have you had a chance to explore the recent GPU patches for low-ram cards, or even the AMD GPU-Hd-D-GpU-HDMI 2.0 VRR changes, they include. Any thoughts? No, I was spoiled and was given a 40-80 knock-to-a, so I don't have a low-ram card situation. Where'd that come from? you.
Starting point is 02:44:04 Oh. Yeah, right. Yeah, what do you think? I forgot it was a Noctua edition. Yeah, it's hard to, you can't really tell. That's sick, you're welcome. Yeah, it's covered in moss. Right, right.
Starting point is 02:44:16 But yeah, it's not super applicable to me. I was like, damn, a Noctua edition? That wouldn't, that wouldn't have been us. We would have gone with like a duel or something, you know? Like, a Knockto edition? Come on. I don't necessarily know why you guys did that. I'm not made a Noctua fans here, you know? At least I'm pretty sure it's a knock-to-a-d-ditch.
Starting point is 02:44:34 It might be. I think it is. I'll check. I'll check. Could I just painted it brown? Yeah. So it's not super applicable to me. I did do the like relatively big recent cashy update.
Starting point is 02:44:46 I haven't had a chance to really like play with it much other than just knowing that my system is totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. Seems good. I was excited to see those updates, but they're just not like super applicable to me. right now, which is great. I love that this chapter is called Luke's Confidence lowers. Oh, hello.
Starting point is 02:45:12 Okay, what are we looking at here? Motherboard. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Oh, GPU time. Here we go. It's so it is. Yeah. Yep, that's a knocktwa fan if I've ever seen one.
Starting point is 02:45:22 And you can't see any of that anymore. It's all moss. All right. That makes sense. Running my first marathon on Sunday, and the WAN show has gotten me through all my long runs. Wow. hoping for a four-hour show.
Starting point is 02:45:36 Nice. Would you ever run a marathon? And what is your biggest physical accomplishment? I think my knees would explode. Mine too. I think we're not made for that. I think not. Yeah, Marathon.
Starting point is 02:45:50 That's very cool, though. That's so cool and like massive, massive respect. If you could do the whole thing on soft surfaces somehow, that'll be pretty sweet. Tape carpet to your shoes. How long was the foam run 2025? Foam run. Okay, that was... Oh, this like spray stuff?
Starting point is 02:46:14 Yeah, that was 5K. I did this with Yvonne because my son wanted to do it. And then she agreed to do it with him. And then he caught sick and had to bail. So we had two tickets. So after me saying, no, I have zero interest in this. I ended up being the one who had to do it Anyway, so how long is a marathon?
Starting point is 02:46:38 How many kilometers marathon? So I did that and it was a standard marathon is 42.195 kilometers. So could I do the foam fest eight times? The answer is no, probably never. I think it's very cool though. Greatest physical feat for me is probably just like a cool like shot on the badminton
Starting point is 02:47:04 court. I have kind of a signature move where if my opponent plays a forehand side, like really tight net or drop shot, I get, I just, I love to dive. And so I'll get like full body extension in the air. And I will sometimes, I've actually done it before, catch it just below the court and manage to pop it back up. And I've actually net rolled it a couple times back over. And every time it's like, like people go, people go nuts. So it would be like, Some shot I made in badminton sometime in terms of, I had not had a lot of physical accomplishments. More of a pale techie guy.
Starting point is 02:47:43 I am these days. All of mine will be very old. I think one of my favorite ones to think back on is, like football, left defensive end. I got a sack but was able to punch the ball out, and the right defensive end recovered the fumble. and scored a goal. So we got a defensive touchdown, which was sick.
Starting point is 02:48:09 There's another time where there was a field goal being shot, and I jumped up and actually blocked it, but didn't realize that that doesn't stop the play. So my dad was screaming at me, but I was still proud of my arm hurt. Nice, that's solid. I still got it. Conrad from Floatplane says,
Starting point is 02:48:28 I can bench press my wife. Sick. Nice. Sick. Nice. Wife lifting. is based. Oh no.
Starting point is 02:48:38 Ixfin 724 in float plane chat says I was so bad at volleyball in high school gym class that when I finally hit one over the net, both teams clapped. Mortifying. That's pretty epic. Amazing. My favorite memory is probably, there's a video clip of me hitting some dude in hockey and then my grandpa goes, let's go, Lugar! And you can hear him cheering on the,
Starting point is 02:49:06 clip and it's fantastic. Cipulus says I can bench press two of my wifes. How many do you have? Okay, carry on. All right, Dan, hit me. He did pluralize Wifes. What's up, boys?
Starting point is 02:49:19 Are there any plans to make regular cargo shorts, not the zip-off pants? Thanks. Probably, but I don't have a timeline on that. Sorry. When. .L colon, colon, I noticed that you've been talking about your RC cars lately.
Starting point is 02:49:36 if you were to make content for the dozens of us RC nerds out there, what would it be? Reviews, weird, and crazy builds, track days? Definitely not track days. I suck. If I was going to do anything, it would be just like casual hangout streams, like put a camera up in the corner of like my little workshop corner at home
Starting point is 02:49:56 while I, you know, fill shock fluid or whatever. Like an Adam Savage kind of thing? Just hang out with me in my shop. Yeah, just like throw the table. chat up and just kind of chill. Howdy Moomoo Slick and Dandaman. Out of the recent AMD... Mumu?
Starting point is 02:50:14 Oh, my old email address. Moomoo the cow. Oh, right. Yeah. The one he's professional. That's a deep cut. There you go. I'm using it right.
Starting point is 02:50:22 He's learning the slang. Very poggers. How do you do fellow kids? Out of the recent AMD tech upgrades, have there been any purchases that someone made that surprised you? Yes. Something you didn't expect. they would be interested in.
Starting point is 02:50:38 All of the like unnecessarily expensive collectible stuff just boggles my mind. And like I know that there is like a subset of the viewers that feel like I'm being like I'm putting on a performance or I'm being disingenuous when I like lose my mind over somebody spending like, you know, $500 on a Lego mini figure or something like. that, I promise you that it is not performative in the slightest. If there was no camera pointed at me, I would do the exact same thing. I promise you that no matter how much money I had, no matter how many jets I could buy,
Starting point is 02:51:23 I would never spend $500 on a Lego mini figure. Ever. You've spent some money on some collectible Xbox controllers, at least one. This is true. This is true. So, okay. Okay, okay, you know what?
Starting point is 02:51:37 I have the one, no, the one expensive one that I have is that one that the developers got. You also have a gold one. It's only kind of a technicality, but. That one's, that one's, the one I'm really talking about is the developer one. Yeah, the developer one. I use it, though, which I know is like crazy for something that's like a one. I like that, though. Very few.
Starting point is 02:52:04 But I like have spent hours gaming. on it. That's sweet. So to me, and look, everyone draws their own line, right? Right? Like, slightly before their own behavior. That's human nature, baby. But to me, the fact that I game on it
Starting point is 02:52:21 means that to me, it's a controller. It's not a shelf piece. Ah, okay. There are exceptions. I purchased a copy of Final Fantasy 6 for Super Nintendo that I never intended.
Starting point is 02:52:37 to put into a slot. But again, for me, that was more about restoring a thing that I owned that I lost at a time in my life when I lost a lot of things moving between my families. I also purchased a copy of Final Fantasy Tactics that I never intended to put into a PlayStation 1. But that one was more about, I have played this game cover to cover three times, and I have never purchased it. Not good. So I own a copy of the original and I paid for Ivelace Chronicles. I consider my sins washed clean at that point. So like, like, I mean, I definitely, I definitely buy stuff that's unnecessary sometimes.
Starting point is 02:53:22 Okay, like here, here's a perfect example. Evan and Caitlin, Evan and Caitlin make this really cool knife. Or like they partnered with a local play. Where is it? where do you find their oh here here here shop Evan and Caitlin.com they have this
Starting point is 02:53:41 they have this really cool box cutter this thing is so cool it's also 120 Canadian dollars for a box cutter which is like madness but it's replaceable you can put a new utility blade in it whenever you want
Starting point is 02:53:55 and it is like one of the most satisfying fidgets that I have ever encountered in my life oh actually I have it but again I use it so I don't know if you can think of something that's like a dumb thing that like I don't even use
Starting point is 02:54:11 then I'm open to it I guess I have my katana people always comment on that on my mantle that was impulsive I was young we've used it oh and we have used it actually that's true and I specifically wanted one that was an actual sword that was not purely decorative
Starting point is 02:54:27 I think it's a two-thirds tang so like you could like you could do some stuff with it if you really wanted to and it's sharp yeah here it is This thing is, this thing is like so cool. It's just, it's, oh, dude, it's so satisfying. Hey, oh, speaking of cool knives, I didn't pay for this one because he's a bro.
Starting point is 02:54:52 Yeah. You got to give him the sound. You have to give him the sound. Dude, I got the hacksmith blade. I ran into him at Creator Summit. He's, he's my Canadian bro. He brought one for me. So it's like, it's a multifunction knife if you guys somehow managed to not see the kick.
Starting point is 02:55:12 starter for this thing. It has a built-in, it has like little built-in screwdriver bit storage here, so you slide these out, and then they just go into the tip. They're magnetic. You can also put it in this way. If there's like a tight space you're trying to reach into and you want to do that, there's tweezers built into them. There's a level. There you go. There's a little, there's a little ruler on it. The clip is adjustable, so you can put it on. You can put it on either side, whichever kind of works better for you. And, man, what else does that? Oh, yeah, bottle opener. It has whatever this like pokey, spiky thing is. I actually don't, don't remember what that one does. Sorry, I wish. Maybe, I don't know. So it probably does something. I mean, knowing James,
Starting point is 02:55:57 it definitely does something. But this, okay, hold on. I'm just going to just, just check this out. It has these like, okay, hold on it. Just doesn't quite capture it. Yeah, it doesn't quite capture it. It sounds way better in person. Yeah. It's, well, it is so flipping, satisfying, man.
Starting point is 02:56:36 And I don't think that I have ever encountered a folding knife that check it out. Like feel the, feel the, feel how little slop, how little play there is in the blade.
Starting point is 02:56:48 I don't think I've ever encountered a folding knife that feels as much like a fixed knife. I mean, I have, but it's really good. I think I might have loosened it a little already. I've just, dude, ever since he ended to me, I've just been like, I was on set today and I forgot, like, how sharp this thing is. And I was just like playing.
Starting point is 02:57:14 And there was some, there was some, you know that like closed cell, like, like really squishy, like dense foam? Sure. I just was like, you know, I'll like stab it into it. I went probably about this deep on the blade through, so like about probably this far, right? Because it was at like a corner. And it just passed right through it. Even though the blade is so,
Starting point is 02:57:40 whoops, even though the blade is so, oh my gosh. What are you doing? There we go. I'm doing something. Even though it's so thick, right? It's so sharp out of the box that it just was like, and I'm like, ooh. Because I was like flipping it to myself. Did all three of us make the sound effect right then?
Starting point is 02:57:59 Nice. That was amazing. Solid. I'm pretty sure I heard Dan do it too. Anyway, um, did he give you the torque flag? Just tighten up. Yes, Roman, he did give me the torque flag. It comes with a little thing to, uh, properly torque this screw to make sure that you get
Starting point is 02:58:13 exactly the right feel on it. So yeah, super, super impressed. Way to go, James. Now you just got to manufacture them all. In case you're wondering why I have one before all the customers have gotten one, this one had some kind of issue with it that was cosmetic and didn't matter, and it's not worth it to disassemble it and fix it and reassemble it compared to just making another one. So he had a few of those at Creator Summit, so mine's not a perfect one.
Starting point is 02:58:44 I finally realized why I didn't have a Kickstarter for it. Did you miss it, classically? No, I was going to buy it for... for myself, my brother, my dad as like a Christmas gift. And then I logged into Kickstarter and got flashbacks of the coal bar and was like, I'll just wait until they're like ready to ship purchasable.
Starting point is 02:59:06 Got it. And then I'll just get them then. Yeah, you might have ended up cursing him if you had bought one for your dad for Christmas. Yeah, maybe. We know what happened the last time you did that. It's probably better for everyone that I just did it. Because I was trying to remember, like I definitely wanted to get one.
Starting point is 02:59:21 And I, yeah, I'm fairly certain that's what happened. But yeah, they're pretty wicked cool. Yeah. Got to use this Linus coin somehow. Thank you for fueling my tech skills from virus downloading noob to self-hosting noob. Nice. What was the first application that you self-hosted?
Starting point is 02:59:41 How long ago was it? Oh. Games or applications. Counter-strike. I was going to say Mumble. Counter-strike? Yeah, Counter-Strike. Yeah, mumbles, mumbles kind of goaded.
Starting point is 02:59:57 I don't think... I set up slightly later, I set up an FTP server that I could access from offsite, just because it was more convenient than carrying around files. I'd say those are my two, like, earliest ones. I hosted a lot of game stuff before I did FTP server, but I did do that at some point. Hi, LD, question for Luke?
Starting point is 03:00:24 Do you think that open source software can find a way to self-fund without relying on exclusive donations? Oh, hold on, hold on. Correction. I did a bunch of research, but I think, no, my friend actually ended up posting the Mumble. So an FTP server for myself was my first one. I don't want to leave that out there if it's not quite right. Sorry, carry on.
Starting point is 03:00:43 Question was, do you think open source software can self-fund without exclusively relying on donations? Yeah, totally. Corporate sponsors and corporate service plans. This was a question for me. Oh. Although that's exactly what I was going to say. Oh, sorry. So you're fine.
Starting point is 03:00:57 Well, you were the one who asked it, so I just naturally answered it, okay? I was echoing. I was going to say it again. Yeah, no, it's fine. I was just razzing you. Yeah, basically that, though. I think the main way to do it is through support effectively. Technically, Mozilla, yeah, kind of.
Starting point is 03:01:14 That's a bit of a one-off. We're going to get crazy amounts of money from Google. But, yeah, usually the, like, the standard path is support. So you release it out there. Hopefully it's useful for someone. And hopefully those people want either like a custom fork or just a more general support contract. Free tier, pay tier stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:01:44 Generally, I think the normal play is to make that more focused to enterprise customers. There are ones that are just everybody, basically. But normally I see that being enterprise customers. I told Hacksmith, Luke asked if he can have one to got any more of the scrapped ones. He says, ha ha, I'll see. That's pretty non-committal. I mean, if not, I'm buying them. It doesn't really matter.
Starting point is 03:02:11 EJC said, speaking of that, Mozilla thing, are you using something different now? I'm trying to think across all devices. I was using Zen for a bit, which is like a Mozilla fork, and I was enjoying it. I'm not currently using it right now because I think I tried to like Pac-Man install it and it didn't immediately work. So I just kept using Firefox. I didn't like look into it. But I might eventually try to get it back on my desktop again.
Starting point is 03:02:39 I like to Zen. Zen had like all your tabs are vertical and on the left side instead of across the top. And I liked that because I generally use Chrome for work or a chromium browser for work. And Firefox for personal. And one of the reasons why I do that is just keep separation. and using Zen with the vertical tabs made it like super obvious which browser I was in. Because sometimes when they're too similar and my current setup for Firefox and my current set up for chromium on my desktop, I get caught sometimes because they're kind of too similar.
Starting point is 03:03:19 And I'll load a YouTube video in my like work browser. And then, oh, terrible. Time to watch 10 million years of ads. So then I have to bring it over to my personal one. and that's like pretty annoying but yeah Luke metta mint cinnamon and zen I mean
Starting point is 03:03:36 yeah man Nokia asks hey did you not do the float plane announcements we didn't but we also kind of accidentally did because apparently the one I was supposed to highlight this week was Linus interviews the LTT head of writing about LMG content so the only thing I have to change is that
Starting point is 03:03:52 he asked me to show the timestamps showing what we what we talked through so tech jet fire truck, what we use the jet for, tech house, first upgrade for the tech house, when we're ready to sell, investing in support. Riley, elephants in the room, family vlog, departures of notable talent, talking through nostalgia is a viable strategy, Mr. Carney's line from his speech recently, becoming more agile. How do we avoid being full corporate, future of LMG, what about the other
Starting point is 03:04:25 channels, and how do we 10x our media side? How are we 10xing? CW. So that's the topics. And Sammy asked if you guys leave a comment on that video if you want to give a suggestion for other leaders at the company that you would like to see. We've already done Taryn,
Starting point is 03:04:43 James obviously, and Luke to an extent, which he might not remember. Sammy predicted that. Oh yeah. That's the one. Well, so Sammy says Luke... It's not really the same. Luke will probably go, what video? And then you're like, bam.
Starting point is 03:04:59 And he'll be like, oh. And then he'll be like, I was so out of it during this shoot. Okay. The reason why I reacted that way is because you interviewed James on this one. You didn't interview Nick Lucas and I. Now, someone did. Watch the exclusives either on YouTube members or at a lower price at lmg.g.g.g slash FPWan. By the way, there's a bunch of people trying to tell me how to install Zen.
Starting point is 03:05:21 That wasn't my point. I can figure it out. I actually, for the Linux challenge, I have super specificly. Do you think he needs to install? Zen? He dodged the hard R incident. He has full Zen. That's my pre-installed Zen.
Starting point is 03:05:40 No, I've been actually very specific. I'm okay with friends giving me input or advice. But I've been hard ignoring any comments I see because that seems unfair in regards to the Linux challenge. So like I've got a buddy that I've known since I was like 15 who is like a Linux head and we'll talk to me about Linux stuff sometimes. I'm like, okay. Is his name a secret? Can I guess?
Starting point is 03:06:11 I don't think you know this person. Oh, okay. Yeah. You can guess, but I don't think you know. No. Okay. So like I'll talk to them about it. But like I'm not going to go out of my way to seek unfair potential input.
Starting point is 03:06:25 And just like, let me figure it out, dude. Yeah. It's part of the fun. Yeah. Hey, LLD, you guys have talked about how you liked visiting Taiwan. I will be visiting later this year. Is there a place you visited several times or would like to visit because it's so great? I just play badminton.
Starting point is 03:06:47 So I just, I work all day and then I shuttle cock all night and then I sleep. You sure does. Sometimes I go out for late night noodles. I like spicy noodles. noodles. Yeah. And sometimes I call Luke and I'm like, hey, it's really late, but I need spicy noodles. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:07:08 It looks like, yeah, I'm down. Almost every time. Not technically all, but almost every time. There's a fun restaurant. I'm assuming you're talking mostly in Taipei. There's a fun restaurant called Pay My Tuition. I went there because I thought their name was funny. And then I actually really liked their food and their vibe was really awesome.
Starting point is 03:07:27 The highest rated Indian food restaurant I've ever seen in the entire world is in Taipei. It has 8248 reviews and is 5.0 stars on Google Maps, which is wild. Wendell showed me this place. I'm going to butcher the pronunciation. Oyei Punjabi ethnic Indian restaurant. Good food. Nice. 2J Cafe is like one of the vibeest places I've ever been in my life.
Starting point is 03:07:57 Don Park is a cool place to go. Most of my things that I have flagged in Taipei are restaurants because I'm usually trying to go there with people. But the coolest individual thing I've done in Taiwan, if you want to somehow get yourself out there. I don't know how to say this. So I don't know how to help you find it. Nice.
Starting point is 03:08:17 But it's just called 11. It's at 605 Taiwan-Chai County, Alishan Township. Good luck. Have fun. you stay up there for 24 hours and you live on a native reservation in the mountains and you pick tea and you chop down bamboo and use a section of the bamboo to make rice and then you incorporate the rice into making mochi and your dinner and all these other kinds of things and it's fun it's good hey hey how has the issues at the tech house been going any big projects coming soon
Starting point is 03:08:54 Apparently we're going on Tuesday with an excavator and we're just going to go ham on the backyard because there's like a stop work thing while we apply for some permit stuff, but it doesn't apply to the outside. Okay. So we're just Jordan's organizing it and there's a sign up sheet with like what tools you have and can bring. He seems reasonable enough. I'm sure he called before he's digging. Yes, yes, yes. BC1 call was informed. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:09:21 So we're so we're just going for it apparently. the thumbnail will involve me in an excavator, I'll see you there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck, everyone. How do you suggest I deal with a vendor whose entire software seems vibe-coded and doesn't do good QA work? It's hard being between admin who wrote the contract without teeth and supporting poor software.
Starting point is 03:09:49 I think you're boned. Yeah, get out of there. They can't. Admin signed up for it. So they're just stuck with it. We've never experienced that. Really? What did I sign up for?
Starting point is 03:10:03 This wasn't you. Oh. Oh. Okay. I seek people's input on decisions when I know that I'm over my head. Especially when signing a contract. I don't sign contracts lightly. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:10:20 I've learned. I think, I don't know. Seek, man, seek it out if you can. There is very often early termination stuff, but it might be better to deal with an early termination fee than to deal with something that's just completely unusable. Yeah. Cool.
Starting point is 03:10:44 Get in contact with someone who might be able to make some change and raise some stink, flag all the ways that they've just been really, really terrible, basically, and be like, we can't work with you guys, let us out. and see what happens. Hey, DLL. I loved the recent video about comparing the MacBook Neo with other Windows laptops.
Starting point is 03:11:04 But is that video intended to be the full review of the Neo? No. The Neo launched while I was away for a fairly extended period of time. So they did a short circuit while I was gone. And then the question was, okay, well, like, what kind of MacBook Neo content can we do that would be additive?
Starting point is 03:11:20 And so I dailyed it for actually a few weeks. Now that I think about it, It's been out for a while. And basically from when I got back to, like, a couple days ago, I've been dalying the Neo. I really like it overall. I definitely ran into some weird issues, but overall really liked it. And one of the ideas was MacBook Neo 30-day challenge, but honestly, it wasn't even enough of like a challenge for me to have that much to say. And so it ended up getting rolled into one of the other ideas we had, which is comparing the Neo to other similarly priced Windows machines.
Starting point is 03:11:54 and so what I ended up doing was just using some of the insight that I gained, dailying the Neo, to make a better comparison video that was just more informed by my own personal experiences. So I think, I don't know if you're going to get a full review of the Neo on Linus Tech Tips. I think that was probably it. In terms of additional context that I would add at this time, not much. If you're really reliant on, you know, a high-speed external dock, I would say the Neo can be a bit of a downer. But other than that, I just really liked it. I, if I was buying one again, I'd spring for the touch ID model, just because like going back to Windows Hello and going back to a MacBook with touch ID is just plain better.
Starting point is 03:12:38 And you also get more storage. But really, when I think it's going to be killers like Neo 2, I want the 12 gigs of RAM that supposedly will be supported with like an A19 Pro and just a little bit more speed. It's going to just be like, hmm, Neo 2 is going to be. Apple can keep the price the same-ish. It's just going to slay. It's just going to be no competition left to fight. Neo is eating Valve's lunch right now. Val is growing?
Starting point is 03:13:05 I'm so confused by that. No, it's not. What? What? What? What? What? What?
Starting point is 03:13:16 No. What? No. Huh? No. What? No. All right, Dan, what's next?
Starting point is 03:13:23 What? I'm going to need a couple, a couple weeks to get to get a couple of, over that. Will we ever see the return of tech trivia answered in the form of a question? Miss that show. Also, why does LTT Labs.com have more GPU data on it? For example, there's a review of the 1960, but no data. Or why doesn't, they're asking? That's something they're working on. They're working on getting all the GPUs on the site, but it just takes time. And especially when there's no video demand for that data, then it has to fit in with.
Starting point is 03:13:56 with the articles and videos and short circuits and everything that they're supporting behind the scenes. As for Tech trivia answered in the form of a question, never. I felt so bad for everyone who participated in that, all the creators, the questions were so hard because I was intended to be a participant, I never got to review them. And I was just basically,
Starting point is 03:14:21 if you go back and watch it through this lens, you can see me desperately, trying to make it not seem like horrible that nobody knows the answer to anything and like because the questions were so hard and I didn't actually know that normally um like on jeopardy you're supposed to like they're primed on what the questions will be about it's not random oh they know like the topics yeah so they can like study ahead of time and stuff interesting because like yeah otherwise why would anyone know the exact year of that stupid thing of course that makes sense now in retrospect, but I didn't know that when we were setting up this thing. And apparently neither did
Starting point is 03:15:01 any of our coordinators for this project. So like, I mean, there's some people that we worked with on that that I don't think ever worked with us again. And like, I was too embarrassed to ask even people that are like, I would say, you know, relatively like friends. Like, I just didn't even ask them for a long time because it was just like kind of embarrassing across the board. Yeah, it was, that did not go well. The second half of the, oh, it was about GPUs on the lab's website. Sure.
Starting point is 03:15:40 I mean, I'm just going to talk generally about GPUs on the labs website, so it's probably okay. The lab's website is interesting. People will read the articles. Lucas will post them on Reddit and then people will see them there and then come read the articles.
Starting point is 03:15:56 and that's all cool and stuff. Nobody looks at the product pages. The product pages, we've tried a bunch of different things to make them interesting, but realistically, I think just like print reviews these days, like, hey, I wonder if there's a reason
Starting point is 03:16:16 why all the written review sites are dying. Who knows? I think we, you know, might have found out. So we're figuring out what we actually want to do with this stuff. The articles have been doing well, like I said. And we we think there's a future in tools, like the whole versus mode thing, where you can like look at two different products side by side and see the comparison. This is a particularly cool part of it.
Starting point is 03:16:49 Being able to, I guess we don't have the size data for one of them, but being able to look at them side by side. GPUs in particular is something that we weren't uploading for a while for long, boring reasons. And as some people have noticed, we have started again putting some GPUs up there. But like keeping the product reviews populated on the site is not a high level, high priority goal for the lab because I think just in 2026, that's not a low-hanging fruit or a particularly valuable fruit for pretty much anyone. We are seeing, again, traction with the articles.
Starting point is 03:17:37 So we've been pursuing that more. That's been kind of fun and interesting for us, more fun and interesting than just farting out more like just stream of consciousness product reviews. And also you guys are resonating with it more as well. So we're kind of reacting to, honestly, what you guys want. We do think some of this is because of search engine stuff with AI, but yeah. Apparently, no, you do not get information of any sort ahead of time on Jeopardy. So I was misinformed.
Starting point is 03:18:10 Oh, right. Stealing your thunder. There's some people saying, like, is this a, I lost it, but somebody basically mentioned. Is it a discovery problem? well we happen to start publishing written articles right around the same time that written started getting killed by AI yeah uh they also said wire cutter is profitable yeah wire cutters like when i go to their front page um we took hundreds of walks to find five dog leashes we love get that affiliate revenue from that mainstream content yeah that's it's not it's not power supplies um and also
Starting point is 03:18:58 So this isn't even a profit play. The lab's website doesn't have any ads on it. I don't know if so many of you run ad blocker that you never realized. But like there is this is non ad blocker. There's no ads on the lab site anywhere. No part of this is a profit play. We made a, there's information out there. And through usage statistics, we kind of figured out that people don't really want to read text reviews.
Starting point is 03:19:28 in 2026. So that's okay. We also figured out that people are fairly interested in like the articles we've been writing. So great. It's just fairly natural like reacting to what people want. That's it. Cool. To Linus, also an adult with braces.
Starting point is 03:19:51 Nice. I'm happy with how straight my teeth are progressing. But I'm bummed about the things I no longer eat for fear of. breaking a bracket. Are there foods you now avoid? Nope. I was always a completely non-compliant client. I would eat popcorn. I've chewed chewing gum with these because I'm crazy. I eat apples. For me, the only real obstacle is like pain because these brackets sit super proud, these stupid ceramic braces that I hate. But in terms of like going easy, man, I'll eat corn on the Bob, it's like cream corn at that point because you're just, you're kind of mashing it from both sides, you know?
Starting point is 03:20:36 Double chew. Hey, LLD, I am the head of engineering at a drone show company that did a 1,000 drone show for the YouTube creator conference last week. How are you now? I heard you were there and wanted to know your thoughts. Yeah, why have my thoughts when you can have my video that I recorded of it? Here, where is it? I think, I think this will do.
Starting point is 03:21:03 Oh, yeah, here we go, bud. Here, I'll send this over to you. Okay, Dan? Cool. In the meantime, let's do another one while we wait for file downloads and such. Hi, Linus and Luke. What's your favorite board game to play on a game night?
Starting point is 03:21:17 You should check out the Pac-Man board game corridor. Such a great time. Anyway, thanks for the free shipping. That sounds fun. And it's not close. Sorry, board game? Yep. They have a board game?
Starting point is 03:21:29 Yep. Oh, cool. it's so good actually 8.7 on board game geek totally unbiased luke take because he would normally hate anything slay the spire oh definitely definitely yeah yeah uh one to four players it's co-op
Starting point is 03:21:45 it's really good um it gets each player involved um that's cool i'm not surprised it's pretty highly rated um everyone that i know that has played it including people that have never played the video game, including people that don't even like video games, every single person has liked it. That's cool. I play whatever my kids like. They've been really into Munchkin lately.
Starting point is 03:22:12 It's pretty basic, you know, as far as like being into cool board games go. But yeah, they enjoy the heck out of it. We like Clank as a family as well. That one's fun. Cards. The thing that I get the most request for for my kids is let's play hearts. I got them into it a little while ago, and it's such a good game. It's, uh, just that the things can get heated sometimes around the queen of spades, though.
Starting point is 03:22:45 People who play will know. Ready for that video if you guys are? Yeah, yeah, you can throw up the video. Let's see, what do I do? I think it's go now. Recorded horizontally because I'm not an animal. And I don't have audio. That's fine. That's good.
Starting point is 03:23:02 What is this? It's a drone show. You may want to, oh, is there a way to play it back faster? I can take it through. Oh, okay. So yeah, this was cool. I was amazed at how stable they were. Look how flipping stable these are.
Starting point is 03:23:24 Yeah. Pretty cool. So, yeah, they did a drone show, and it basically, Probably the coolest one was the globe, but I don't think I caught that one. Here they are reconfiguring. They did a Nyancat. This one's pretty cool. Maybe let it play for a second. Yeah, it just looks really bad.
Starting point is 03:23:41 Yeah, when you don't let it play? Yeah. Yeah. I had never seen one before. This was my first time. It was cooler than I expected. And I really liked the way that they kind of had you watch the transitions
Starting point is 03:23:59 between the different things, but you would have, like, you'd have to be clairvoyant to, you know, realize exactly what they were going to be going for on the next one. Yeah, it was, it was very cool. They had a couple different things. They had someone on one of those, like, with a jet thing on their hands and then one on their back, like, you know, like a jet suit, so he kind of flew around a little bit.
Starting point is 03:24:21 And then they had skydivers that dropped out of a plane. They had, like, sparklers behind them as they, like, came down through the sky and then they deployed their parachutes and then they like ripped like right over our heads and landed in the field there so it was a yeah it was a pretty it was a pretty cool show wow hey elinus time to finally use my gift cards they also brought out Oprah what to do a talk yeah i mean she's the o g content creator think about it she started just in like local news and made her what built her built her empire into her own show her own network and she recently joined youtube so it's pretty on topic
Starting point is 03:25:02 So we have Oprah to blame for shorts. I would say, I would say, no. Where's that Domino meme? I would say not so much. Sounds like it to me. Oh, Oprah goes on TV. Domino's fall down. Now we are talking about disabling shorts with a timer.
Starting point is 03:25:17 Are you looking up Oprah's channel? Yes. I did, yeah. Yeah. Did you mock Oprah? You have more subscribers than Oprah. Well, yeah, for now. Oh, plus ratio.
Starting point is 03:25:30 Her view counts are all over the place. Wow. Oh yeah, you got one million next five thousand one million two point eight thousand two point three million Yeah like all over the place I don't think I've ever seen a channel with a spread like that and not like to be clear I've seen channels that have one video with five million views and like a bunch with 500 views like where they had like one viral hit But the fact that she goes between like functionally zero views and millions of views from one upload to the next. I was thinking like, okay, did this, did go gentle or whatever? Did they like buy a bunch of views on that?
Starting point is 03:26:11 But then this one? Yep. 2.5 for there. Yep. It's just all over the place, man. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 03:26:21 Okay. This is, this doesn't matter, but oh, it's just a little bit weird that it's always the third video in. Oh. Okay. Okay. not always. Oh, no, once it broke off.
Starting point is 03:26:36 Yep, okay. But it has like the same cadence for when it'll just pop off. It just pops once in a while. It's like roughly every four videos. They go from single digit thousands. It's clips. Oh, is it? Interesting.
Starting point is 03:26:56 So the main line, yeah, the main, it's the long videos. Okay. So, yeah, 40. minutes and it gets 2.3 million views and then these little cuts of that video get only a few views. So this is LNG clips, but Oprah.
Starting point is 03:27:14 Basically. It's just not super obvious without looking at the length or the view count, which one is the primary video? So this one's an hour, 2.15 million views. Do you think it's set up as a podcast and they're not actually listening to YouTube? Maybe. They're listening to the podcast? Maybe. I don't know. Because our
Starting point is 03:27:32 Wand Show playlist on the other TT channel is a podcast. But there's a separate podcast tab. Would you not have podcasts in it? So go to the Oprah podcast, 74 episodes, and those should be the same videos because a podcast is just a type of playlist. Yeah, they totally are.
Starting point is 03:27:50 So this is going out to RSS feeds. Got it. Her podcast is very popular. Got it. That makes sense. Oh, okay. Sorry to hear that Wiley Giraff. They have to go be social.
Starting point is 03:28:05 instead of hanging and watching mine. Disgusting. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry for your loss. Don't come back. Okay. Hey, Linus, time to finally use my gift cards.
Starting point is 03:28:16 Is there something that you know your team could improve, but it's never going to be profitable or marketable for it being just too niche or too specialized? I don't know. Our posture? I think they meant, like products. Like, oh. Oh, oh, like the CW team.
Starting point is 03:28:39 Yeah. Oh. So a chair then. Yeah. Yeah, thank you for that. Sandals? I think that we could improve the desk pads and no one would care. You can ever so slightly because it stretches in one direction but not the other direction.
Starting point is 03:28:58 You can ever so slightly detect if you like kind of press hard and move a thing that it's like a little bit oval tracking, like a little bit. and literally after all these years of us selling hundreds of thousands of desk pads no one's ever noticed or cared so yeah we could do it and no one will care
Starting point is 03:29:16 so we had we had talked about in the early days you're gonna get complaints now yeah whatever I knew the whole time I knew something was off Doug yep yep yep in the early days of Kyle being here
Starting point is 03:29:29 we had talked about doing like a pro cloth desk pad that was either the same stretch in both axes or no stretch and just kind of never got to it. Linus. How is the team liking the new ubiquity EV chargers? I just got a Toyota BZ and am in the market for getting level two chargers. I mean, I think the team likes any charger they get to use at the office because they don't pay for it.
Starting point is 03:29:59 They seem fine so far. Is there any new screen tech to replace OLED? If not, what options exist for iPhone 11 users? Me, sensitive to PWN Flickr, who prefer Apple's ecosystem. iPhone 17 is a no-go. OLED causes headaches slash nausea. Wow, that's rough, dude, because on mobile, everything's going OLED. I have heard of this.
Starting point is 03:30:30 Yikes, like micro-LED. I know Apple was putting a bunch of investment into that, supposedly maybe for the Apple Watch at some point. Have you seen these? I have seen things that do that, not from that company. Like a no, you know. Yeah. I have seen displays.
Starting point is 03:30:56 Super modern being shown just to developers right now. I wasn't sure if you've seen or heard of it. Yeah, it's definitely a thing from other brands. I haven't seen theirs, though. Okay, okay. But the reason why I asked you in that way was I didn't know if it was public or not. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 03:31:13 Man, and even micro-LEDD, like I wonder if you'd have the same kind of PWM control flicker. I feel for you, man. I'm sorry, I wish I had an answer for you. The last one I have today, EGE, DLL. The hoodies I got the past few years
Starting point is 03:31:31 have really come in handy during my first winter here in northern Sweden. I think it's pronounced, hey. Ege. Nice. any new designs coming with the same hoodie as the circuit tree one i love that oh yeah the funny one that was a tree that was a circuit the circuit tree um hmm i thought they just didn't know how to spell it and they meant the framework one no yeah not that one but i got you just because they're foreign
Starting point is 03:32:02 yeah so canceled just because they spelled hay wrong yeah Yeah, yeah. Isn't this one just our blank? I think so. Pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that any colored blank hoodie should be this one. It's funny that that's the one you like so much, because I'd say it's one of the less unique ones that we have.
Starting point is 03:32:34 Uh-oh, is our sight down? Oh, okay. We've been having some minor Wi-Fi issues. Oh, brilliant. Okay. Tops. So, man, I'm afraid to say something wrong. Message support just in case, but I'm pretty sure this is literally it.
Starting point is 03:32:56 This is the circuitry hoodie, but without the circuit tree. So it's just our blank hoodie for 60 CAD, and I believe the same one should be obtainable. Oh yeah, I guess we just never did any other prints on it. So yeah, pick up the blank hoodie. Neat, good chat. That's all you got. Well, that means that's all I got. We will see you again next week.
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