The WAN Show - Microsoft Admits Everyone Hates Copilot - WAN Show December 19, 2025

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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What is up, everybody, and welcome to an early Christmas present, the WAN show, but earlier. Oh, we've got so much good news for you guys this week. Meta is tolerating rampant fraud through their ads in order to make more money. Yeah. Wow. Good job, Meta, truly. keeping your shareholders safe at the expense of everybody else

in other news Microsoft seems to have said the quiet part out loud that nobody cares at all about co-pilot and that it just kind of doesn't really matter but also they're still committed they're still committed they're going to cram it down your

throat open up your throat open it up now because I'm going to cram it in there yeah that's Microsoft Satchinadella he's He's going for it. That's why he's got, that's why he's bald. That should have been the WAN title, dude.

It's so he can dive in. That should be the WAN title. Right down there. The thumbnail text is just... You know, you have to recover just long enough to do a couple of topics. Minutes into the show. Okay. You took the one I really wanted to do.

do. I know that's what I do. Good job. Invidia reportedly plans a 30 to 40% cut in G-Force GPU production. Nobody saw this coming. It's a surprise to everyone for sure. Also, the Rampoclops continues. Also, surprised to every... You're surprised? Actually? I'm surprised. Really? No, of course not. Yeah, okay. Nice. Intro time. Oh! What? What? We have my gamer tank. That was fantastic. You keep talking over the music.

The show is brought to you by MSI, Squarespace, Saly, and Vessi, of course, alongside our rap partner D-brand, our laptop partner, Dell, and our chair partner. Get Red. Secret Red! Let's go. Now, I do want to say, Nokey, that was an incredible, incredible Wancho. intro variant, but there is one minor detail that you got unforgivably wrong. What?

I would never beat Luke at video games. You do? Yeah. I will win, like, I'll steal a couple rounds from you when we first pick up a new game. And then after that, it's basically just like the Luke Shrex line is show. I don't think it's that clear. You've always said this. I don't think, uh, okay, okay.

A one-off example is not fair enough. What was that, uh, that game? It was like a, uh, jump around everywhere, archery, Towerfall. Towerfall? We traded back and forth a lot on Towerfall. Yeah, because I have like five times as many hours in it as you. Okay. I don't know.

Also, my childhood was 2D side scrolling and jumping. Yeah, but yours was Halo. Right. But then you, you look at games like Halo and you're like, you beat me at those games. And it's like, yeah. And then I look at games like those ones. And I say, you beat me at those games. You know, like, yeah, but I grew up with those.

Like, it has to be... Yeah, but I had so many more hours in it, too. Yeah, but I also had so many more hours in shooters. I am trying to pay you a compliment. Just take it. No, not at expense of others. Oh, that's true. I am better than him at Super Checks.

But that's not a video game. So... I will vibe code. Super Checks the video game. Then I will win a video game against Luke. He'd find a way to win. I was going to say, I don't know, dude. Yeah.

I might figure that out. Speaking of which, META has found a way to figure out how to keep the billions of dollars in revenue that they are making from fraudulent advertisers who are just using ads on META's platforms to defraud people. This is based on a Reuters report that shows that internal documents, allegedly, show that META understood that a large portion of its advertising revenue from Chinese partners, and this is not like a little bit large portion, this is like roughly 19% of their advertising revenue in 2024, over $3 billion, came from ads that were tied to and brace yourself,

scams, illegal gambling, pornography and other prohibited content. Then, seeing all that, Meta went, hmm, well, what we could do is we could crack down on this. But, but, hear me out, hear me out, alternate plan, we could not.

And make billions of dollars. From bogus products in Taiwan to investment scams in the U.S. and China has become a major source of scam ads on meta's platforms globally. A special China-focused anti-fraud team initially was able to cut this problematic Chinese ad revenue nearly in half. But all of this is allegedly, because I do not work for Reuters, and I did not do the reporting for this, allegedly, after a strategy shift influenced by the Zuck himself,

the team was apparently disbanded and tougher enforcement. measures were shelved in a big surprise to everyone especially the zuck fraudulent ads and therefore the revenue associated with them rebounded i wonder when this was um was this during like his big layoff when he was like we need to the year of efficiency no i think it's more recent than that actually you know what no don't quote me on that or let's leave it go check out the link to reuters which dan will throw in the video chat description chat no throw in the chat um the chat um A big part of the reason that this works so well is that meta's ad ecosystem in China relies on layers of resellers that obscure advertisers' identities, making it easier for scammers to place ads. Consultants warned that this setup enables fraud and that meta's enforcement was weaker than their competitors, and it appears that they just don't care because they'd rather just take the money and go, la, la, la, la, la, la, I don't know.

know that fraudulent ads are happening on the platform, la, la, la, la. I mean, I just, to me, even with the network of resellers, it doesn't seem that complicated. Because apparently it's like, I read the article. Apparently, it's like 11, like, main, like, top level resellers or something like that. So if Meta cared at all, even with the whole layers of resellers thing, just pushing the responsibility onto them and going, yeah, I will literally ban you if too much of this crap makes it through? You know how, like, so many things in life are, are bell curves. And there's, there's that whole meme where there's, like, the person who's just,

like, chill about a thing because they're, like, ignorant to it or whatever. And then the person freaking out about it the thing because they're at, like, a medium level of skill or knowledge. And then on the other end, it's just someone who's, like, extremely skilled, they're extremely knowledgeable and they're just chill again. I feel like this kind of applies to this situation as well. Really? This is kind of a wild take. A really small...

A really small company can often get away with just, like, not caring or paying attention to these types of things. Oh, I see what you mean. A medium-sized company gets, like, crushed by everyone because you're now big enough. You have to care about these things. And then really big companies just get to ignore them again. They get to basically not have customer service.

They get to not police things like ads or anything else on their platforms because they're like, I don't know, we're too big. We can't do that anymore. Of course, that's totally fine. even though they like definitely definitely have the resources to do so it's it's interesting how like requirements policies uh upholding certain standards and stuff are really really really really pushed for it like the the the middle size this is wild i saved this um facebook i think i talked about this last week how facebook sent me an invitation to use some feature on my page

Do you need to search for, oh, never mind. Yeah, no, no, I got it. They create a fan challenge to keep your audience engaged with your page on Facebook. They sent me the same thing again. In fact, here, you can see in the last week, I have three emails from Facebook. One, two, three, all with the same subject line for the Linus Tech Tips page on Facebook to create this fan challenge. Now, I've gone into the Facebook dashboard, and I'm not an expert on Facebook page management or profile management or advertising or anything. I log into Facebook as infrequently as I can, and I only really use it for Marketplace at this point.

So I'm not going to claim that I have done the world's greatest job of finding where to turn this off. But what I have done is I've gone into my Facebook dashboard and I've turned off every communication, that I could find because I don't want emails from them unless it's something to do with like the taxation for like paying out our Facebook video ads which were a thing for a while and honestly now they're not even that much I don't think we're really making pretty much anything on Facebook anymore you know they had that big push into video like six years ago or something like that anyway however long yeah four or five I don't know um it happened though I'm going to go over here.

Yeah, we're both hanging out. So I don't want to miss an important message. So I can't just filter every message from Facebook. So I wanted to turn off specifically this. Now, in Canada, anyway, we have a law called can-spam that dictates that you are not allowed to send an email that is unsolicited. And you need to have a clear way to unsubscribe. Luke, can you find in this email any even attempt to adhere to can spam regulations?

Not in the slightest. There is not only no button to unsubscribe from this email, but there isn't even a link to my dashboard for where to turn it off. I have someone in particular that I might be actually genuinely enforcing to reporting to can't spam stuff wait can spam is U.S. law Canada is CASL am I crazy can spam

holy shit if you look up can spam it does bring up Canada's anti-spam legislation huh cool okay then they're violating U.S. law and Canadian law that's cool but it is called CASL it's interesting when you Google a bit of

brings up canadas. Yeah, I just, I completely Mandela affected myself. I suspect this is a commonly Mandela affected one considering it brings up Canada's. Uh, anyway. But it is CASL. The commentary is correct. Cool. Thank you for that. And also, doesn't change the point. It is interesting. You're right. A really, really small company would probably get away with just like sending out unsolicited. You'd kind of go. Because most people are like, whatever. I get it. Yeah. You know, like, probably don't even know. And like enforcing every policy for freaking everywhere is honestly just impossible. So whatever. And then you get to a certain size and everyone's like, oh, you should really. You need to comply with every single thing everywhere in the entire world all

the time or else we will delete your entire company. And then you get to that size. And it's like, well, you're not going to touch them anyways. And even if you do, they're not going to care about the fines because it's probably worth it to them to just pay the fines that are ultimately like, they'll be like, oh yeah, by violating this policy we made. 382 million dollars and the fine costs 15 million dollars so like cost of doing business baby that's the best cost of doing business I've ever heard of sounds good pay the fine like it's you just hit these levels where it just doesn't matter anymore and it's it's it's funky yeah and I'm not surprised that

they're shirking like all of this stuff because who cares people aren't going to stop using them because that's another thing you hit like a certain level of critical mass where people can scream about it all they want but they're not going to stop using meta services. Maybe a tiny handful, but like, it's not going to significantly impact their actual, like, user base. Lieutenant Salty says, my boss sends out emails using our POS software. We send texts and emails. And I've told my boss, he needs to have an unsubscribe option. He's just like, nah. Yeah. Apparently, that's what the Zucks said, too. No. But yeah, I've got, I've got somebody who sends emails to my personal email inbox,

and I don't even care. That's a dumpster fire. But I have unsubscribed multiple times and blocked them multiple times, but they keep just taking their email list and bringing it over to different email services. Because I'm sure they just know this happens. And like I've never actually done a report before, but I might actually do it. Because I have blocked and unsubscribed at least.

close to 10 times. I have a, I have a conspiracy theory that the unsubscribe button is actually just to verify that it's a real inbox. I am 100% certain that happens at least sometimes because I know of at least one case. And so I, so they might, they might even actually unsubscribe you to that list, but then sell the information that you're definitely a real person reading their actual email. To their other company. Yeah. To, oh. Yep. Yep, very cool. I feel like in medieval times, they would have just like... Oh, Kinjara just said, I work for an e-com company, and we have migrated email servers multiple times the last five years

for the very reason you mentioned. That's rough. Thanks for letting me know that is interesting. But also, I think this person is literally like more than one or two times a year. It's very often. Like, but that is, you know, I'm not surprised by these things. It's, and this is, this is kind of what I'm talking about. Like, at a certain scale, you just don't care, and you work around it.

And at the bottom scale, other people don't care. And then in the middle, you get crushed by both realistic, or not realistic. You get crushed by both, like, governmental regulation stuff and, uh, people expectations. I'm reporting this is a spam. It's a, it's a great filter. And Google won't do anything. Nope. Oh, I just blocked it.

Whoops, no, I don't... You know what? Fine. F*** it. I'm just never going to get an email from Facebook again, apparently. Actually, I really shouldn't do that. If we don't know about taxes, we don't have to pay them, right? Is that how that works? No, actually, our current issue is that they are withholding some taxes from us that they shouldn't be because we're Canadian.

and Yvonne has like a long chain going back and forth with them I haven't actually brought that because it's a separate support team for like actual they have a support team for like money right but just like managing your page and just my account like I don't have anything special in there so no may rink that is not financial advice for me uh yeah yeah that's this is important right now our headline topic next. Microsoft is, this is such a, this is such a corporate way to say this,

lowering its growth targets for co-pilot, as it has, and this is a quote, this is amazing, struggled to find buyers interested in using it. Yeah. This is according to a story from The Information, which has resulted in a two and a half percent stock price drop on Wednesday. I mean, you can never quite attribute like a share move to just, you know, one piece of news.

Honestly, I would have expected more. Well, financial advice. I mean... Based on how like, you know, hyped the market is on AI stuff right now. Them being like, uh, yeah, it's failing. And then the market was like, okay. Well, I mean, here's the thing, right?

There's a ton of inertia in all of this. Like it's like I've been, I mean, Tesla just hit an all-time high, right? So you got to remember that this kind of ties back perfectly to that long conversation we had last week about information bubbles. What percentage of people read the information? And I don't mean any information in general. I mean theinformation.com. What percentage of people read this?

What percentage of people who read it have a subscription so they can read more than just, the snippet, who actually even knows about this? Not to mention that so much of the investment in things like the S&P are just, are automated. Like, people will literally set up their paycheck to just siphon off some of it and just, you know, dump it into their portfolio. These are not decisions that they're making based on an article they read today. And they shouldn't. That actually is financial advice. You should not be just like every day moving around things. It's still technically not financial advice. It is still, but it is financial advice that I've received. Sure. I think that's fine.

That the average person should not be just like micromanaging their stock portfolio from day to day based on, you know, individual pieces of news. Is not financial advice that we're giving you. Correct. But it is financial advice that I've received from people who are qualified to give financial advice. So make of that what you will. Yeah. I think that's fine. So, so most people are not doing that. You look at like a pension fund, for instance, where they have tens or hundreds of millions of dollars that they're managing or billions of dollars that they're managing. You can't just sell a $400 million stake in Microsoft just like that. I mean, you can, you might not get the best price for it necessarily. Actually, Microsoft could probably absorb that much.

Yeah, Microsoft could probably absorb that much. But depending on the size of the company, right? For every sale of a share, there has to be a purchase of a share. I take every opportunity to talk about the Toronto Teachers Pension Fund, currently sitting at $269.6 billion in assets. Let's go. Yep. Massive, right?

And so an entity like that isn't going to just read this article and be like, We're completely out of Microsoft. Sell, sell, sell, sell all the Microsoft immediately. And you have to have, especially on. a company with the market cap of Microsoft, you would have to have a huge, huge volume of transactions in order for the price to

really appreciably nosedive, which isn't to say it never happens or that it won't happen when the AI bubble really like pop pops, but two and a half percent in a day is a lot. Anywho, what were we talking about again? Right, yeah, two and a half percent stock drop on Wednesday. Co-pilot currently holds 14,

percent, AI market share, apparently, with Google's Gemini less than 1% behind. This deeply depends on how you measure market share. And based on tiny factors could swing massive amounts, just to like be super clear. Apparently, a big part of the sales struggles is that AI agents being sold to businesses as labor replacements are failing to complete real world office tasks 70% of the time, according to researchers at Carnegie Mellon University. Honestly, I'm surprised they're successful 30% of the time. I suspect that is, again, how you measure it and also fub factor and lack of reporting and stuff because it's like for sure higher than that. But yeah. Cool. Or there's companies

that are like accepting a certain amount of like it's okay doesn't seem like it's actually replacing the person but we can maybe accelerate some people this way so we're not going to report it as a failure anyways like stuff like that um yeah Microsoft defended co-pilot claiming that the information story inaccurately combines the concepts of growth and sales quotas and they said that aggregate sales quotas for AI products have not been lowered before you keep going another thing i would say about that 70% figure is I bet you there are cases where they are happy that they're not working as well. I could see, I was just talking earlier about how like, uh, in the, in the, in the pre-show,

someone brought up, oh, my like username that I changed didn't reflect the change in full plane chat for some reason. And I was like, okay, cool, send in a report, uh, support ticket. We're not one of those companies that try to like obfuscated or make it harder to do by like making you read FAQ articles and stuff. Yeah. They might like that their support chat. bots are bad.

Interesting idea. I've never really thought about this before. I wonder if it's genuine, because there's like a ton of dark patterns at various companies that get put in place to stop you from actually properly sending in support tickets. Oh yeah, 100%.

Because every support ticket costs money and every serving you a website, web page. If it's like successful, you get a refund or a new product or something. Yeah. Like they don't actually want those to go through in a lot of cases. Right.

not definitely not all right obviously but like there are definitely some so if it's like bad and it just results in people not being willing to go through the process and they just give up and that shows up in some reporting dashboard as like oh we set up this AI bot and our expenditure on refunds and replacements is lower they'll see that as a success I have no idea this is a lot of like I'm going to choose to believe that it's not that bad at most places. I'm going to choose to believe

it's not that bad in most cases. Just for now. Just for my own sanity. I have no idea. This is based on nothing. And my position is based on not being able to handle the emotional burden of you being correct about this.

Who knows? One of the ways that Microsoft is growing their AI business still, though, is by forcing LGTV users to have a shortcut to co-pilot installed on their smart TV home screen. They have apparently since allowed users to delete the shortcut, but there was a period where it was not possible to delete, and the backlash was swift and secure. Our discussion question is, why would you want co-pilot on your TV? Yeah, I don't. Extremely cold take, but man, smart

TV suck. Cool. Yeah, that was a, that was pretty, that was pretty good. Actually, oh, this is actually, this is a good, this is a good discussion question. David Gochiae compared this topic. Is a bad TVUX enough to

persuade you to buy a different brand? And, and follow up question for, let's assume, an equal viewing experience, how much more would you spend? Ooh. Ooh. Ooh.

I do think a bad UX could push me away from buying a certain TV. But the last TV upgrade that was done for my dad, we looked for one that on purpose was

like as dumb as possible. The, how much is enough? is a tough one. I don't know. I really don't know. While you think, Metal Max scene had one idea. Hey, co-pilot,

is this the episode I watched last week, or is it just another scene of Abby and McGee Hacking? I guess if you wanted to ask it questions about content, but it's like, I don't know. See, I have the same issue with this that I have with, like, a wearable AI companion and, you know, an AI ring and an AI glasses and an AI, I already have a phone in my pocket. I literally already have it. It's also going to be wrong often.

We did the, uh, the full one exclusive that is out now, uh, the last one from Luke Week, which is a gaming video. Um, and when I was looking over some of the like B-roll footage, I was sending to Sammy. Yeah. Uh, Gem and I just did a summary. without me asking of some of the footage that I had put in Google Drive. And it, like, summarized a bunch of gameplay footage that I had. And it had, like, my mic and the person I was playing with mic in the recording. So it tried to summarize, like, the things that happened and what we said about it. And it was, like, 70% correct.

And 30% of it was just totally made up. And that's going to happen here. Like, it was just, I was reading different parts. So it's like, wow, that never happened. Neat. Yeah. Dislexic Stoner asks, what if my AI on my TV could put swear words back in instead of bleeps?

I would give away all my info for that. No, now you're just imagining too useful of a function for AI. Okay, oh, oh, this was such a great example. Way and show, but with real swears. All of this stuff is just shit still. And I just, how many years ago was it that Google did that demo where your AI assistant, and this is pre like the generative AI LLM thing, where your AI assistant was supposed to phone your hairdresser and make an appointment for you. So long ago. That was like a billion years ago.

I think at least like seven. I think it was something. I think you're probably right. I think it was like six to eight years ago or something like that. And I basically was like cap. because like it's just obviously 6 to 7 very funny

because it's just it's obviously the kind of thing that would work but would work so poorly that it's actually more work than just calling your hairdresser and making an appointment and looking at the calendar yourself right I had another prime

wow you nailed it May 2018 apparently says Andy in the UK Boom. Nice. I had yet another one of those moments because I looked at that and I went, my assistant can barely figure out like if I mean a local address or I mean one in New Brunswick. My assistant. When I asked to navigate somewhere.

Like, you got to be kidding me. My assistant is purely for setting alarms. Yeah. Or, um, right, Shazam. Like my assistant, my assistant, at that time, you still couldn't set an alarm using Google Assistant. that was more than 24 hours in the future? Like, you couldn't, do you remember that? You couldn't send an alarm for like two days from now?

And that's a big problem for me because a calendar event is not enough for me. Boop, boop, boop. Like, that's not enough for something I actually need to do. I need it to ring when it's time for me to do something. How is that still, how is that still not a function? Don't break it. How is that still not a function?

I fully agree, because it's super annoying, needing to just go do both, and you should really be able to make a calendar event, send off an alarm. Yeah, you really should. Anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway. Maybe there's a third party app, which would be super cool if anyone knows one,

feel free to pop it in the chat. If you're in the Google ecosystem, which kind of blows in a lot of ways right now, but you should make it so that it sets off an alarm unless you're like in the thing. So if you're in like a Google meet that is in the calendar event, if you're in the thing,

just don't bother set the alarm off. That'd be cool. But if you're not, then it should like get your attention until you get in the Google meet. That would be sick. Cosmic Wolf says Siri is still limited to 24 hours. Yeah.

So I was about to talk about Siri. So Yvonne never got around to switching back to her Android phone just yet, although iOS 26 has actually... Might make her? Might make her go back. I have a video coming soon on my experience with iOS 26, but as far as I can tell, it's like the biggest pile that Apple has released that I'm aware of that I remember ever using. Anyway, she went to use Siri last night, and she's like, hey, Siri. And I actually really like this, the way that Siri's just like, hmm? Instead of being like, yes, hello, what can I do for you?

Shut up, and I'm the one who talks. I'm the human. You are the clanker, you know? Anyway, I kind of like you too. She goes, hey, Siri, hmm? Set a couple of reminders for me. I want to, like, enjoy, sorry, I can't do that. Why not?

I thought that's the whole point of natural language interaction. Why do I have to, hey Siri, set a reminder I need to do blah blah blah blah blah blah blah okay blah blah no shut up shut up hey Siri

set a reminder I need to no just let me do both and until oh I'm so sorry I'm setting off people's phones my bad stop saying the S word

yeah I screwed up I'm sorry the point yeah sorry I can't show you that while driving it's like bro I'm not I'm not driving. I'm in the passenger seat and I'm plugged into the car play.

That stuff is so annoying. So just thank you, nanny, but fuck off. I'm not interested in having you take care of me and what I'm allowed to do while I'm doing things. You know a game that I'm surprised doesn't exist? You know, when we were growing up and like everyone just universally played the like raindrop game where like the, you know, when condensation is like gathering on your window and you like track how it goes? Did you play the variant where you find a spot on the windshield and you move around your head to dodge stuff? That was my favorite one, but everyone talks about the raindrop game.

I thought that one was way more cool. But anyways, we all used to do this. I'm surprised those don't exist as like basically games. Oh yeah, there'd be no reason you couldn't do it with like head tracking. Yeah. It's got to be a thing. It's got to be like a genre of games. Yeah, maybe I just don't know about it.

It seems like it would actually be like pretty fun. Oh, dude, you could do it in VR like. super easy, I think. Yeah, I mean, would you even, you wouldn't even need VR for it, though? No, no, but like, I'm just saying to skip a lot of the, like, steps, it should be not that hard, I think, but I don't know much

about game to go of it, so. William Comarton says, I used to try to name the make and model based on the headlight shape at night. That's pretty cool. That's tough. Yeah. That's pretty tough. It's a lot more knowledge than I would have had. Yeah. And with my eyes, I'm not, I'm not making out a headlight

shape, dude. I'm just getting blah. WebDude says for reminders and alarms on Android, there's an app, a calendar which can handle about five alarms slash reminders with noise or email. Why is it five? I don't know. Maybe it's just, maybe

it's just not quite explained properly. Anyway, yeah, we can explore that another time. I just switched over to the Fold 7. Unfortunately, this is not the new TriFold. And it took a grand total of one day for it to not fold completely flat.

Yep. So I need to add that to my notes. I want you know what? Overall, I still am really, really loving it a lot so far.

Took one day to need to be over bent to be flat. It's like, dude, I haven't daily driven a fold in years now. And it's like,

it's like going back into the warm embrace of an old friend, honestly. Really? Yeah, I had a team's meeting today that they were screen sharing on. So I had a giant thing that I could read text on. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, I remember why this was way better than literally anything else. And it's not for everybody, right? Like the battery life is going to be a bit of a downer for some people, although that

said, I'm sitting at 97% today, but I did plug in on my way into work, so make of that which you will. But if your use case, if your use case benefits from the fold, there's just, there's no question. I've already run into a weird thing, Plex, the interface. If you tap your, like your user icon at the top, in candy bar mode, it's supposed to do something, I forget. But in like the more tablet mode, it slides in a thing from the left. and it accidentally did the tablet thing when I was in Candy Bar

so my screen was just going dark because I couldn't see that it was sliding a thing from off screen so just you know That's annoying It's still not perfect I was gonna say I wonder if that's more on the phone

I feel like it should be reporting That's the phone It's the phone, it's Android, it's apps It's just the poor integration between all them Yeah It's a Plex problem It's just a shit yeah Yeah, sure, but that doesn't, and this is a take that I have, I have gone to war for a lot of times

and I will continue to go to war for. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it's true. When, at the end of the day, right, when people choose a device, whether they're choosing a candy bar, Android, a folding Android, an iPhone, a Windows phone, I don't care. You know, whatever it is that people are choosing. Just keep going. what matters is the user experience. And so, you know, back when I was on some of the early folds and I couldn't use YouTube stories, I didn't care if that was Samsung's fault or Google's fault

or Father Christmas's fault. It just didn't matter. What mattered was that device was not suitable for my use case. That's all that matters. Yeah. And so that's, and everyone else, I am the user. I'm the one giving the money to have this experience, and everyone else need to accommodate what I need to get done on my device. So, like, you know, let's look at Elijah's actually working on a video about his switch to iPhone, which was made actually for predominantly contact sharing using AirDrop because he went and was doing some networking at an event and missed out on some really good contacts because they were just like, oh, I have to type something.

You're a lesser being. you know oh that's way too much work i only tap my phone with people i only interface with highborns whatever the point is he missed out on some he missed out on some some contacts and so he was like okay i'm just going to have to do it um but over time he's found there's there's other benefits as well and one of them is that um for creative oriented apps sometimes they'll get cool new features before they're rolled out to other platforms and at the end of the day is that the fall of the app creator is that the fault of the the phone maker is that the fault of the operating system owner in this case you know Google doesn't matter why Elijah he says iPhone is so much

better for creators it's kind of scary why what makes a difference uh the thing I was talking about that you weren't listening to because you were reading chat nice cool I wasn't really and he's gonna do a full video about it so you know he'll be talking through a lot of this wait the contact sharing no not the contact sharing you missed it you missed a whole other thing that I was talking about just now. Yes, we do need to do that. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, Larry in topic. So, apparently we all... Oh, hey! Hello! Now that's an early Christmas present. I have lots of things to say. I love video games. But this isn't even for me. Last time I did this was my stepping on a mic. Riley, you're not on a

you don't have a mic yet. You don't have a mic yet. Hold on There's supposed to be one here Dan promised I know but you don't have it yet You can't talk yet I have to wear the Wait did we have a place for him to sit

What do you mean? It's just squatting The world is my oyster Well I can't hear myself through the mic But Why? Oh my God I don't know if it's working

Guess why I'm here though Linus I can literally see it I can see him talking Why can we hear it? They can hear them They can hear them If they're good I'm good You're here to talk about

the Larion thing. Can they hear, like, is it coming from this mic or is it coming from Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys. I got it. Oh, there it is. Hey. I'm here to talk about Luke. Yeah. Because you haven't let him talk about AI enough, except today you guys talked about AI a ton. So like, what the heck? Well, I'll tell you what. While you talk about Luke, I'm going to go get you a stool. What? No, no, no, no. He specifically requested no stool. I'm a non-stool user. I'm like, you know how AI doomers are like no AI ever. That's me with stools. He believes in no stool ever.

I think stools are trained on other people's work and their copyright infringement. It's basically just a chair. Stools are just chairs but worse. Why would you ever? He's going to you an apple box. No, I asked, okay. Now you're going to make me ruin

the meme. I asked Dan to remove the apple box. This is so much worse. Oh, but I do like, if I sit back here, then I kind of look like I'm... You have dramatic lighting. I'm lit by two... Hold on. It's okay, I'm lit too.

I'm lit by both sides, and it's like, I'm the duality of man. A neutral party. Okay. So should I... Not AI generated laugh. Should I talk through this, and then you guys can have your conversation, or how does this work? You can go. Sure.

Sure. All right. Certain. Corners of the Internet. their flipping minds earlier this week when Larian Studio's CEO Swin, Vink told Bloomberg... VINCy.

Yeah, of course, that's what I was to say. Told Bloomberg that the Baldersgate 3 Studio uses AI tools to help explore ideas and speed things along early in the development process. I hate how much of my life is reading text and then trying to say it out

loud. And then having an AI train on it? It's Vinkie, right? I have no idea. Thanks. In the same interview, Vinky made it clear. I like it. It sounds more like a pet name. It's got to be Sven Vinky. It can't be Sven Vink. I don't know. I don't speak Swedish. I don't know if I've heard it said out loud. Vink sounds like a, like a woodland creature. Google it and then you'll get one of the pronunciation things. Vinkie sounds like also a

woodland creature, just way cuter and fluffier. Vinky? Yeah, maybe from like a fantasy world. Okay, it doesn't matter. The point is that Vinky made it clear that there will not be any AI generated content in Larian's upcoming installment in the Divinity series saying that everything is human actors, we're writing everything ourselves. Jordan, who prepped this topic for us, said, but that was toward the end of the article, so the odds that anyone read that far, pretty low. Nobody has time for that. After the inevitable backlash for saying anything even vaguely positive about

AI, Vinky took to Twitter to try to clarify. Aham, this is a quote, holy fuck, guys, we are not. pushing hard for or replacing concept artists with AI the post notes that Larian employs 72 artists 23 of whom are concept artists and that they're in the process of hiring more yeah the concept art is really where it what this centers around Vinkie also linked a GameSpot article from April of this year detailing Larian's use of machine learning for tasks that he said and this is a quote nobody wants to do this uproar has apparently

reminded people that Game of the Year winner, Claire Obscure Expedition 33 was accidentally released with AI placeholder art, which was quickly patched out of the game back in April, adding an additional target for the rage of the anti-AI camp. Daniel

Vavra, Vavra, whatever. Volva, I think. Did you just say vulva? It's what? That's not a... It's a... It's a biological important landmark if you're trying to find certain things we're not going to get demonetized for that the point is the co-founder of kingdom come deliverance to developer warhorse also waded into the mess

to defend larion's honor saying this AI hysteria is the same as when people were smashing steam engines in the 19th century vinkie said larian was doing something that absolutely everyone else else is doing, and they got into this insanely crazy shitstorm. Everyone else is doing it. Volvo ads, hold on, I'm not quite done. VOLVA ads, I'm no fan of AI generated art. But anyway, it's time to face reality. AI is here to stay with us, as frightening as it may be, that's the way it is.

Now, I'm going to kick you guys off by throwing back to something that Luke and I were actually talking about earlier in this show. Larian sits At the apex of the curve They're big enough That they're an attractive target for the hate But not so big That they'll just be like

What are you going to do about it? All right, go Yeah, one thing I was going to throw in Just right off the bat is another game that won awards Because right now we're talking about Larian Who took a ton of Game of the Year awards And many other rewards And then we're talking about Expedition 33, which won everything, as far as I can tell.

Another game that won awards, the multiplayer award of the year. Arc Raiders also has a ton of AI stuff going on. All of the movement of the AI enemies in the game is all machine learning. Really? Yeah. And you can hear more about that. I! Actually, we forgot to, did we even say that?

That part's not in the video, but... We can learn about something. But you can learn about something, yeah, yeah. We're supposed to say that? Luke Week on Floop Play. There's three episodes. One's a Q&A. One's a gaming video, which is like a follow-up to the last gaming video I did on the first

Luke week. And then the other video is something. It's us talking about AI, which is why I'm here. And I felt bad that I didn't. I was like, we're here for Luke, but that I didn't, like, we didn't even do the callout. Just wanted to get that clear. It's Luke Week on Flowplane. Yeah.

But anyway, machine learning, arc raiders. Yes. So it's kind of, it's in a lot of places. And if you want to be mad at something for AI stuff, as far as I can tell, the, like, biggest use of it is largely in arc raiders. Interesting. That's what, see, hmm. They have a lot going on. Machine learning.

They also defend their stances because of things like that. But one of the problems is that everyone's throwing everything under the same. same banner. And then it's kind of difficult because where's the line? Well, this is an interesting because with Sven Vinkie, he on his tweet where he's like, guys, seriously, like, you know, we're the good guys. He linked to a GameSpot article where he talks about how they use machine learning for like the kind of rote menial tasks that no one wants to do. But the debate isn't really around like, oh, okay, you used AI to like smooth out your, your, you're, you're, you're, mesh or what I don't know I'm not a developer I understand but like stuff that isn't like

ooh the artistry involved in that it's just kind of like okay you have to reduce the amount of polygons or whatever and it's annoying in a way his argument is that it's actually accomplishing what a lot of people wanted out of it which is that it's allowing for people to focus more on the artistic stuff that they want to do instead of the like menial annoying tasks that they don't want to do which is like but but that's why the backlash isn't about the machine learning the more traditional what we called AI back then sort of it's about the concept art the problem with arc raiders is people don't know where the line is there's a lot of questions for like that thing looks like it might be a i generated be like generative AI generated because there's

little like what do you call it greebles what's the term for when there's just like random stuff added to things to make it look grubbles uh this is star wars is really no well known for this they just like they'll put like vents and pipes on things yeah i know what it's called in the context of a garment, like an embellishment, but that's not what they're called. I think it's Babu Frick. There's a, there's a word. So there's a lot of Babu Frick's. Greblis?

Yeah, I don't know. Is that right? Oh, okay. Yeah, it's like a term. I don't remember what it is. Babu fricks, though. I'm down with that. So there's tons of Babu Fricks in Arcaders where there's just, there's just like a tube

that'll go from one place to another place that makes no sense at all. And people are wondering, like, was this someone just adding a tube because it looks cool, which totally might be a thing. Sometimes you like tubes. Or is this just generative AI just doing stuff? And it's where is the line? What's going on? The most interesting aspect of the debate here for me was basically whether we are going to preserve the practice of concept art.

I think people are scared that if you, because the most concerning part was him saying, oh, for the early concepting phase. Only in the early phase, we kind of are throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks. So we're like, hmm, would it be funny to have a frog wearing a top hat or something? And then you like find an image of a frog or whatever. And you tell, I put a top hat on them and then they do it. And they're like, hmm, it's not so funny. Maybe we won't go with that, you know. It is funky.

And the alternative to that would have been, hey, a concept artist, can you draw a frog wearing a top hat? Now, I feel like in that situation, I can easily see a concept artist kind of taking that idea and making a top hat on a frog look funny and look interesting. in a way that AI wouldn't be able to. But couldn't a concept artist also put that prompt in and go, yeah, it's funny, but I think I could do it better and draw something? Well, the counterpoint to that is that you're basically like starting from, if you, if you prompt AI and you get a result back and you're like, hmm, okay, I'm going to do that but better or I'm going to like iterate on that, you're, okay, you're starting with the thought process

and that's part of the human, you know, creativity engine. But this is a studied phenomenon. People are more creative and they think better through problems if they do it themselves from scratch or if they learn how to do it themselves from scratch. And like this might be a solution. This is the whole problem with AI. It's a solution to do something faster,

but you're probably going to get a worse output at the end of it. And maybe even if so, if you have it, super experienced concept artist today they could use potentially they could use AI to accelerate a quality job but if you are losing out on

the development of your ability to think through these problems because you've always had this crutch but then I mean oh man see now we're going back to the calculator argument but you won't have a calculator in your pocket so you need to be able to start things from scratch

but yes if a calculator had the result of like the cumulative output of human knowledge being reduced in mathematics if our ability to do advanced mathematics at the highest levels was reduced because of calculators maybe it has been i think there's also a problem where you have the like the movie adaptation to a book problem where like once you've seen the movie adaptation to the book when you read the book your brain is kind of filling in like oh this is what this person looks like This is what this place looks like, whatever. Where if you're just reading the book, I've never seen any of those references, you kind of make it up yourself.

I mean, if I've seen a frog with a top hat. There are definitely people who are not susceptible to that. I mean, I wouldn't have thought it would be possible to read The Hobbit and then create such a shit movie. They clearly completely reimagined that, not for the better. Yeah, I think there's a whole other set of incentives and problems there. Have you seen it? They recast Eragorn in the new. Gallum movie.

You guys haven't heard about this. He's younger. Yeah, but Gandalf's in it. Like, Ian McKellen is Gandalf in it. Wait, what? But Vigo's too old. Anyway. They should have just done it anyways.

They should just use Vigo. I'm pretty annoyed about that, but I mean, that is what it is. I mean, the movie's going to suck anyway, so does it really matter? Do you watch the War of the Roherom? Yeah. It's so bad.

I couldn't make it through it. I really wanted to. It's funny because it's like, oh, Peter Jackson's returning for the, hunt for the Gala movie so it's like but that doesn't mean anything because he did the Hobbit movies and they're horrible didn't he come in but wait it's not okay ah didn't he didn't he come in late on the Hobbit movies did he I thought he came in to like try to save them I have to admit that I don't I know hardly anything about the Hobbit

movies because I went to see the first one in theater and I was like this is horrendous I saw it also in 48 fbs and I was like this is horrendous and I just didn't watch the next two I did the same thing you did the right thing I watched the next too because I'm a completionist and masochist like that I guess but I don't think I saw them. They didn't get better maybe I did but I don't think I did they didn't get better I would watch the heck out of like

a fan cut and which probably exists that's just one movie because I complained about this on Wancho a while ago and someone mentioned that I think there is one okay I don't want to take us too far off the rails back to AI stuff in video games yeah I mean like it's it's also a tough line because

we're at a spot and I think I think this has been addressed actually by potentially Larry and I'm not I'm not sure but we're at a weird spot where like a lot of people are demanding stances of different tools and technologies that people companies really will not use and they're looking for people to make permanent statements on those things and none of us have any idea what's going to happen to the landscape moving forward and that could put companies that are actually going to bother potentially responding to any of this. and having open dialogues with people, like Larian, at potentially extremely disadvantageous positions in a field that is incredibly mind-blowingly cutthroat and competitive. And you have companies that are not laying people off, that are actively hiring, that are making games that people like,

and those companies are the ones that are getting critically looked at when there's companies that are laying people off and are in some cases known for using even more AI stuff. And those companies are being ignored in this case. And it's just like, ah, I think we need better targets for this energy. I saw a really good tweet, because I can't be here very long. I saw a really good tweet where someone's like, gamers are, like, they don't want games to be delayed. They don't want studios to force the developers to crunch either.

They don't want people to use AI, but they also want the games to come out and play them. It's like they can't have all of these. They want everything. Gamers are a difficult bunch. Yeah. I take the opinion that like, look, if you want to use AI for small parts that isn't like, and like according to your principle that you talk about it. No output. No output. Don't use the unaltered output, you know, never. Which is what Larian's saying. If they want to do that as part of the pipeline, you know, go for it. I don't think we should jump down their throats for that, given how AI is here already. However, I will have way more respect for a company. if they do everything without AI and take a frigging long time it's just like is that possible

do the economics work sorry what would you what I was just going to say that AI is I don't know if anybody noticed this but AI in for a person who runs a company that has been to a fault transparent and taken stances on a lot of things AI is one of the ones that if you've been listening very carefully I have

never made any kind of commitments for for Linus Media Group for Gainesst I think we like barely use it internally even when Microsoft came in here and offered to replace all of the employees for free every single one of them yeah you were like you know what not today I'm trying to have a serious conversation and you guys are

completely taking it off the rails which is fine because I wasn't going to give an answer anyway honestly this conversation was way more on the rails than it should have been for me coming in here and I don't think I even have time to be part of the Mozilla one because I feel like I wanted to combine those two

with the Larian and the Mozilla because they're both just being attacked We can talk Mozilla but first I want to do something fun so I had... You said he doesn't have time well you guys you guys can talk about so there was a little comment here in Float Plain from Velasette that I had highlighted

I wanted to talk about yeah biggest problem here is that for a vocal minority it's binary there's no nuance to this conversation And that's one of the reasons that I haven't taken a stance because people are going to expect me to take like a hardline stance when even if I did, it wouldn't be something that I could fully control anyway. I don't know if I even want to say this, but hot take. I may not. There's companies like, I am a I. There's companies like, I don't remember the name of the company behind it, but they made Silk Song.

They're like three people. Team Cherry has like three people Maybe they can control for this At bigger companies Like Ilarian has hundreds And they're not even seen as like a big studio All of those games If it's a binary that you're looking at this set

Will be made with AI I think I can pretty confidently say that statement And I don't even if the head of the company It's like don't use it It's still gonna happen Because employees are gonna try to take shortcuts Do you remember when we had a minor controversy, when one of our, I had taken them. Remember that one time?

No, sorry, I don't. I have no memories. You legitimately might not remember this one. It's not ringing a bell. So we had a minor controversy a while back. where I had on WAN Show said that I didn't feel that in our industry working the way that we do and relying on ads the way that we do, that we should use ad block. And I had made it a policy at our company that we don't install it on our computers.

And I got called out like a couple weeks later or something for using ad block because I screen shared on something and I was using a laptop that someone else had set up, someone else had configured. That is a perfect example of what you just said. How in a company of more than one person, or even in a company of one person, someone can forget a thing that they said at some point and do something, but especially in a company of more than one person, you can have a stance on something, you can have an opinion, you can even have a policy. But at the end of the day, not everyone is going to follow it. So you could say, no AI will make it into anything that we do all you want. I had to read a sponsor spot that was clearly AI generated not that long ago

because it was in the form of like rhyming couplets with all the sponsor talking points. And I'm like, okay, two things. One, if you used AI for this, bad, and two, if you did this without AI, double bad, because what a waste of time. It was like passable, but not good. Yeah, it was AI Okay, there was one other thing Some concept artist is going to have a bad week And be really frustrated

And have a deadline for Frog with Top Hat And be like, oh my God, I just I can't get the pose right for some reason But blah, generate, okay cool, yeah, I can make that work Whatever the artist's equivalent of writer's block is They're gonna use a tool Brush block Sure

Okay, the other thing I wanted was you guys were talking about Greeblies or whatever and I was like, oh, I wonder what an AI response to the right number of pieces of flare is. Like, will it get the office reference or will it come up with something? So I typed how many pieces of flare is the right amount, and it literally is like, new. Try AI mode. In your face. In your face.

In your face. You literally gave me the AI response, whether I can send it to it or not. Okay, well, I can. If you click non-interested, what happens? The way Google... No, no, it's a different thing. But still, like, what the heck? The way they're branding all this stuff is so insane, annoying to me, especially as, like, covering

tech news. And, like, it's like, Google updated this, and they have a new mode. And I'm just like, and I have to read through and be like, okay, so this is like the other, this is like the four other things that they call, like, because they have Gemini. They have Google regular search. They have Google AI overviews. They have AI mode, which is basically just using Gemini. but like it's more more searchy

it's like all right so let's find out what this does sure it's like yeah okay so now it just comes up in a different interface it's basically Gemini except it's like

what we're doing here is searching the web for stuff yeah yeah so it's just Gemini but focused on search yeah what this is such a stupid it was doing really well the running joke blah blah

15 pieces of flare blah etc office space outside the film there is no set right amount to flare the term has come to refer to other things including flare airlines baggage allowances no hey haven't you ever taken a shot you know just like it it took a swing and it missed that time yes it did it's got chutzpah good lord i wanted to say well i already said it okay uh well you wanted to talk about the mozilla thing right do you have time okay okay i I really need to go, but basically

my main, I wrote this I wrote the tackling story, Nathan somebody a probationary employee wrote notes, they're almost done, wrote notes

for it and then I kind of edited the notes again, but basically the gist is that Mozilla got attacked because they have a new CEO, Firefox is going to evolve into a modern AI browser, is what he said, but he also really emphasized trust and user agency and stuff, and people like jumped down their throats for adding AI. There were so many articles and tweets and

stuff where it's like Firefox is adding AI now? I'm out. Guys, Firefox has had AI features for a long time, all the things that I listed there. And people have been talking about this for a while. Alt text generation for accessibility, translation, automatic tab grouping, link previews with summaries, chatbots in the sidebar, an AI window that's currently in beta that you can open like a private slash incognito window. Yeah, and I noted that most Firefox users may not have noticed these because they're all optional features and you can turn them off. And this is like something that they're going to continue doing. I feel like I'm coming out here and being like, guys, don't be mad at AI. You can be mad at AI. I don't like AI. Just like on a

on a principle, but I understand that, like, what Firefox is saying here as well is that it's out of the bag, it's out there, and there, if they don't add some kind of features in a thoughtful way, they're going to be left behind. And they are being left behind. Yeah, I mean, Vivaldi had that mic drop where they were like, here's our press conference, there's no AI, and then they like walk out of frame. And it's like, yeah, that's nice, but you're like... There's barely a Vivaldi.

Yeah, what's Vivaldi's market share? You're looking at it up? Ask AI. I think it's like 1%. But Firefox has gone from 30% around 2010 to like, I think it's 4% or so on desktop and across all platforms. It's like 2%. It's crazy. Yeah, Vivaldi is like, but like I also want to say.

That is the AI overview though. I don't know. Maybe, you know, I feel like there totally could be a future where Vivaldi or whoever is like, hey, all these browsers over. They're, like, they've been overtaken by AI slop. We're the browser that doesn't have any AI. We're the human browser. And, like, you know, people go for that because of that. Like, that's their marketing angle, you know?

And then if that becomes popular, cool. I just feel like, I don't like the jumping. I didn't like the thinking that Firefox is adding AI for the first time when, like, you guys say that you're Firefox users, but you don't even know what the browser is. and B, like, you know, this is where we're at now. I don't know. And I think it's important to understand, like, all of our various perspectives as we come into this.

Like, you know, I'm both a business owner as well as a creative. Like, I don't use AI for writing, not because necessarily it's out of principle. I can recognize how it could be useful for some people. I just don't need it. And I don't feel that it, I don't feel that it makes, even if it's, even if it's, it makes something that I'm writing better, what it can't do is make it more me, at least not at this time. You know, if we could train an internal LLM on every script I've ever written or edited,

maybe it could. Maybe it could literally, like, perform some manner of, like, editing for me. But a big part of how my brain works is just like being kind of ADD and going in a different direction all the time. You know, Luke's coming at it from, he manages a team of developers where AI-assisted tools have been just like a thing. Everybody's been doing it for a while. For a long time.

This is old. You know, Riley's coming at this from a very, like, creative-minded headspace as well, so we're all going to have... Wow. What, I think... I'm creative. I think you're very creative, Riley.

Go on. And anyone who's watched your creative sponsor reads, which are literally called that. CSP, creative sponsor... Okay. I was just doing a bit. We don't have to... I don't know what the P is.

I was wondering about this of a... Creative sponsor production. All right. Anyway, the point is, like, this is our perspective. And you don't have to share our perspective. But what you're going to have to kind of come to terms with is that everybody is going to have a different perspective that is motivated by their own personal interests

and the people around them. And what all of those things are going to need to mesh with is that it's here. It's happening. the steam engine is not coming back, you know, the ice box, harvesting the ice from a cave or whatever. Refrigeration happened. We're not going to do that anymore. Technically people still do that. Oh yeah, people still ride horses too. Yeah. But it's a thing that people are very passionate about and they very much do, but it's not just like... And you're going to get tiny, you know,

one, two, three-bit studios that just like the process and want to do it and they do it and that's fine. I just want to jump in. I don't think Luke meant like 2-bit studios like, like crappy. No, I mean, I'm out of people. Cool. Yeah, yeah. So, thanks for the clarification. Because, yeah, I mean...

Two-bit has kind of like a negative connotation. Oh, yeah. No, I meant in actually very positive connotation. I'm thinking again of Team Cherry. I get it, I get it. Three people. Yeah, amazing game. I feel like that usually goes the other way.

Yeah, I'm just saving us here. I don't, yeah, I don't know that one. He saved you from something. That's good. You were about to be canceled right away. express lane probably not as major as the hard are incident but

yeah I feel compelled to point out before I leave I'm going to leave now I feel compelled to point out that like in my attempt to be to straddle the line between both the blue and the red here you know to be the one the only one

who walks in both worlds like Ghost Rider played by Nicholas Cage I feel like I come off as like two pro A. and I feel like I am very much in the middle. The way I see this is like alcohol legalization, like, or legalization of most. Prohibition won't work. Yeah, it's not going to work.

Like, it has to be legal so that it can be regulated. Regulated. Yeah, but we aren't regulating it. Well, and it won't be, but I just feel like you can't put the cat back in the bag, but we also don't have to yell at the cat for being out of the bag, you know? every time it shows its face, we have to be like, okay, the cat is here. I don't like cats, but I'm not going to...

You know the right thing. I don't think either of us are particularly like pro-AI usage, to be clear. Just in case anyone's interpreting that way. Yeah. No, I mean, I think I brought up... We're all perfect centrist. I think I brought up my open AI account on stream a little while ago, and I had like three or four chat windows with it.

Like, it's... I don't use it, but I also, you know, it's in the same way that it's... Okay, we did an AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade where one of the first things that we did was make a joke about how Colton's brother-in-law has kind of serial killer vibes. And then we went down to his garage to find a shovel so that we could do a take of me talking about, because he works for our customer service. And I was saying, you know, when you contact us, he'll make sure you get taken care of. And so we went to find a shovel so he could be like patting the earth behind me as I did the line. and in his garage we found a tool that had a handle kind of like a hammer and then on the one side it had a hatchet blade that was sharp on the end and on the bottom so it's like a two-sided like hatchet blade and then on the other side was a meat tenderizer and so I found that that tool like processing game couldn't tell you okay and and what I realized was a meat tenderizer and um so I found that that tool like processing game couldn't tell you okay um and and what I realized

was... It's for murder. That's a really interesting tool that could maybe be useful to someone. It has the potential for great misuse. And it's not very useful to me. And that's how I feel about AI. You could use it for ice carving.

It's like a hatchet meat tenderizer. Sure. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, hey, power to the hatchet meat tenderizer users. If anyone knows what that tool is called, by the way, I'm like super interested to know.

No. I have to go. Okay. Thanks, Riley. Thanks for joining us. This was a much less chaotic experience than the last time I crashed, you guys. Yeah. So have we grown up or have you? What's that? Is that good or disappointing? It's both. I feel like I like discussions, but I also just like disrupting you. Okay, well, Godspeed.

Bye. It's not the best for the audio. Okay. Fantastic. It didn't look like this quite. But this is sort of the... Huh. This is sort of the idea, I think. The tenderizing axe.

The tenderizing axe. That's... Wow. Man, it sounds like a super weird, like... It's a good band name. Yeah, actually. Denderizing X. I like that.

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Rizmagic actually sounds like a sick, like, DJ game. And DJ Rizmatic. Back in again with a background house. Okay. It'll be available in Plasma Purple. All the time. Carbon black, molten orange, and cryoteal. Those are my new singles.

Got them on Spotify. Here's my SoundCloud. I can't spell my name, though. And there may be a special surprise. when they launch. Special surprise. What does that mean? They're launching on December 26th,

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I'm good. Thank you very much. The Rampocalypse continues. As RAM continues to rise, as RAM prices continue to rise, Dell, Lenovo, and Framework have all announced price increases and other changes due to DRAM shortage. Framework, investment disclosure for Mr. Linus Sebastian, says their DDR5 memory configs for their DIY edition laptops

are going to go up by 50% with possible plans to increase by even more later on. Dell sent an email to internal employees informing, of price changes, including their Dell Pro and Pro Max notebooks, going up between $520 and $765 for the 128-gig version, or $130 to $230 for the 32-gig models, with Trendforce, even predicting that Dell and Lenovo may be going backwards and limiting devices to only have 8 gigs of RAM and smaller storage commanding? discussion question good luck everybody how do you stay excited about tech it seems like it's bad news after bad news whether it's hardware pricing shifting subscription based models or even frustrating video game news

what keeps you motivated to make tech content well uh that's the world i think um i think it's bad news after bad news uh whether it's pricing of things everything in the world searching to subscription based models or just frustrating news about the things that we like. I'm going to I'm going to come in here with a hot take that may actually end up being a full video on the channel because this is going to this is going to ruffle some feathers. Oh boy. But I think that we in as tech enjoyers might just need a bit of a perspective adjustment. Huh.

In the grand scheme of things and maybe this is again, I'm coming at it from my perspective, right? As a 90s kid, a gaming computer was like started at thousands of 90s dollars. And today, today, in 2025, thousands of dollars will get you a sick gaming computer, even in the midst of a rampocalypse. There are other challenges that are putting pressure on disposable income. I mean, you can say it. sucks, but like, if you compare it to... I don't think saying we need a perspective adjustment makes sense, though, when people's

incomes are lower relative to costs, when things that are required for living like health insurance, housing, food, all those types of things, those costs are going way up. A hundred percent. The relative money to spend on things is significantly lower, so we don't have the luxury of spending that much on a for-fund computing device. That's what it may have had in the past. Let me expand on my point. Sure.

Here's another big difference compared to when I was a kid. When I was a kid, if you were using a computer from 10 years prior, it was literal garbage. But now you can play relatively modern games. Like I have told the story a few times. I forget which game it was. It might have been our graders. But I've been telling the story a few times about the son of a buddy of mine who's playing on a 2,500K and playing some modern game. I don't remember which one it was.

so so here's the so so that's that's the thing is a kit of ram way too expensive right now am i paying so here hold on it let me you guys making that video because i've been refraining talking about the thing you're making that not the one you just mentioned but the the one i messaged you about the marketplace one um possibly it turns out it might be stale already dDR4 prices are skyrocketing and more importantly um like am4 x3d chips are skyrocketing apparently 5800 x3d is going for like seven and eight hundred dollars i just was hoping we'd make the video before then but so right now a 16 gig kit of ram is around 200 us dollars what that means to the budget for like the 550 dollar gaming PC that we built a little while ago that we did a video about with an arc

a GPU and a reasonably priced CPU kind of value power supply is that you'd probably be adding about $100 to $140 to that budget. So today, in the midst of the Rampocalypse, you can still build like a high-end 1080P mid-tier 1440P gaming PC

for like $700, which is a lot of money and stuff, but compare, Compared to just about any other hobby, tech and gaming have been more inflation proof. Like, name one. Name anything. Yeah, this was a really interesting conversation around the price of video games going up. Yeah.

It's just, I don't know. I can fully understand people still being frustrated. You're right. 100%. I think what you're saying is fair, but people's ability to buy it is still non-existent. So it, like, doesn't really matter. Well, hold on. Like, it can be as reasonable as it wants.

If I don't have the money to buy it, it's still annoying. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Because, like, yeah, but you also don't need to buy something brand new, which is something that we have talked about so much on this channel. So that's where... But then you're saying price increases for those things are happening as well. Yes, if you go after, like, the hottest items. So if you want to buy, like, a 5800 X3D, sure.

But if you know what to look for... But if you know what to look for, which is what we're here for, right? I feel like DDR4 RAM, though, you're not really looking at. for specific parts, everybody's just going to search DDR4. I don't know that it's the RAM that's as bad as the way that the

accompanying components are also going up. So I'd need to look into it some more. This is one of those ones that we've kind of scrummed what we basically want to talk about, but we haven't sort of nailed down what the exact concept is for the script. I mean, I can tell you this much. A secondhand kit of DDR4

is definitely going to cost you as much as like 60 to $70 less than a brand new kid of DDR5, which is a significant savings. That is a meaningful savings. I don't know if it was right when, but like relatively short after the announcements of these like RAM issues, if you went on like stuff like Facebook Marketplace, whatever, you could get a lot of DDR4 for not a lot of money. So when I chat talking about DDR3, you're starting to get pretty old.

I wouldn't go back to DDR3. Yeah. I also don't think it's necessary to go back to DDR3 It depends where you're at and stuff Fire Panda Sasquatch asks where are you pulling that from? I'm looking at eBay right now So yeah, I don't know I think it's I think it's one of those I think it's one of those things where we can look at what's going on Where we've got the COVID crypto winter

You know or so we had the crypto winter which was exacerbated by the COVID silicon shortage, and then we had basically a multi-year sort of recovery from that that as soon as it happened, literally, I think it was three weeks, two or three weeks after we recorded the MSRP PC video, where we were like, holy crap, for the first time in years, you can buy a PC where every component is at MSRP, the RAM shortage hit, right? and so we can we can look at this and we can go oh well building computers totally sucks and we should never do it again yeah no um or or hear me out just a second here if we actually track compared to quite literally anything else right like look at what a board game cost i think i just i i i don't even necessarily disagree with you but i i sure i i i I would be remiss to not point out that it doesn't mean it doesn't suck. It doesn't mean that it's not going to push things out of acceptable ranges for people.

Of course it doesn't suck. Of course it sucks. It totally sucks. I just, I think your opening of like people need a whatever it was reality check or whatever it was. So it's just not. It's more that I wish people were a little bit more appreciative of the work that goes into keeping these things as affordable as they are. We did that

recent tour of Keogsia. They're fab. Holy. Dude, anytime you see a fab at all, it's just like, dude, how the hell do I buy one of these things for the amount of dollars that I get it for? It's crazy. It's amazing. And so basically what I'm doing is I'm

coming fresh off of the actual literal miracle. Like the wonder of the world that it is, that we can make a microprocessor at all and then I'm going over into like

I'm so angry that the $500 computer is now $700 when a $500 computer is a miracle in the first place and so is a $700 computer that doesn't mean you can't be annoyed about like constant extreme collusion

and all these other things going on but it is still yeah it is still needs to that our hobby is surprisingly cheap. And the fact that over the last several years, we've gotten to the point where you literally do not have to give Microsoft 100 of your dollars on top of all the hardware you bought anymore. Linux.

That's so cool. Like, can we just, can we just take a breath for a second? It could be. And look at the positives. It could be interesting to, because I think this event, as hot as the used market has gotten at various times, it was mostly just for GPUs.

I think this event is going to crank the use market for practically everything. I've done some searching since I sent that message. Doing a Scrapyard Wars right now would just suck, I think, to be completely honest. But I think it would be interesting maybe, I don't know if we get the clicks, but making a video on like how to try to validate hardware

when buying stuff from a use market. I've done it. As best as you can. No one cared. No one cares. I try so hard to like, bring people to the like secondhand water here and really good water here like I did that just got a drink I did I did a video called I solved the GPU price crisis or whatever where basically I just

like bought a 3080 second hand and showed how to like you know what to look for to not get scammed and how to how to how to test it and how to validate it before you take it home and like and how to how to pick one that has like a transferable warranty and like basically yeah it was like a mini. scrapyard wars of just like buying a GPU absolutely bombed video bombed tank no one wants to hear it dude I was I was at willow yesterday yeah willow video in in Langley based used place and I was I was showing Emma like somewhat of this phenomena because we were there together I don't know if I think she's been there before I'm not sure but I was pointing out like look there's Spider-Man 2 for PS5 right there behind the desk all sealed or

there's Spider-Man 2 for PS5 right here on the other side of the counter unsealed and there's like a 30-something dollar difference it's the same game come on and people will still walk in there and just buy the new one it's like damn I can't I can't I can't I can't fathom it it doesn't it doesn't compute for me yeah um Something that you probably can fathom, even though it does also suck. NVIDIA reports a planned 30 to 40% cut in G-Force GPU production in early 2026. It's being reported that NVIDIA plans to slash that production. You know, of course, it's being assumed that this is because of the run on memory chips. I think it's a lot more than that, personally. But okay. The reports come from the Chinese board channels forum and news site BenchLife.

whose supply chain sources claim that Nvidia's production cuts will first hit the RTX 5060 TI 16 gig and the RTX 5070 TI. Oh, the ones that are like... Yep. Well, the 5070 TI is the one that kind of makes sense in Nvidia's lineup. Very cool.

We've used it for two recent build guides. Invidia could use the GDDDR 7 from those aforementioned mid-range cards to make more of their higher-end, more expensive cards. and ultimately make more money. That's for sure part of it. Discussion question, how might this indicate Nvidia's pulling a reverse AMD

by only manufacturing gaming GPUs focused on the top end of the market? Is that the future we have to look forward to... Like, what? My ability to can. Oh, I see. Very good. Ah!

I think they also just made... Man, don't care. I think they feel like a requirement to care about G-Force because of, I don't know, pedigree, history, old times, the horse that got us here type mentality, but... I think it's a tenth of their revenue now. When is the last time they talked about it in a way that is like, we care about this a lot?

We care about raster performance and gaming. Even last CES, it was all just like, like how much AI enhances G-Force. Yeah, so why, and then, like, look at how, and, you know, I'm totally including myself in this, but look at how annoying we are compared to enterprise customers. It'll just pay whatever and just want it as soon as they can get it. And if there's, like, weird problems, they'll just, like, work with you on.

They'll hire engineers to help fix it. Yeah. enterprise customers that are getting crazy Boku bucks investment dollars aren't going to care So they're spending someone else's money Yeah Right a customer who is spending their own money

Is always going to be an order of magnitude more difficult to deal with Than a customer who's spending someone else's money Yeah Always And especially when they're spending someone else's money To make money for themselves And that is like a default for a company at pretty much any scale because you're an employee to company you're just spending your company money it's not as like you're not going to be as careful with it but also especially at this scale where we're talking like hello yes I will take this many like containerfuls of graphics cards please um yeah just remember you know just try to remember a little bit on the hopeful other side of this um how different are

companies acted, and then if you care, vote with your vaults. Zurgom asked an interesting question. How much has your badminton inflated compared to PCs over the time that you've been doing it? So since I used to play back at NCIX, badminton has gotten substantially more expensive. Rackets, actually not too bad. So they have benefited from increased economies of scale and better mass production techniques and more automation. Probably not the birdies. Actually, shuttles are brutal.

Yeah. So badminton shuttles are... This is what I meant. Oh, I see. Are being impacted by a major worldwide shortage in goose feathers. Specifically, the ones off the left wing of the goose, because the shuttle has to spin a particular way. And if you use the feathers from the right wing,

they'll spin the other way. And also court time. So I'm going to shout out some of my buds who run or work at some courts in the lower mainland. When I got into Badminton, it was about 20 bucks an hour to rent a court. So ERSC, where my buddy Jason Schum works,

they are now charging $30. That's weekdays before 5pm. That is like, that is like the garbage time, the slow time. So it's $36 an hour. So that's over a span of about, so this would be about

the NCIX time. So this is just showing. I have 20 years. So this is going back to like 2000, 2008 or so. Why does it just say, what's up? Package. Oh, yeah. If you buy, if you buy a bunch, then you can get a, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a slight deal. It's honestly not that much. I'll show it up my buddy Ringo. Uh, how much does, uh, does a court rental, where the, Ringo, where the heck is your court rental price? Wasn't that what we were just looking at? Yeah, it was a different site. Oh,

stringing service lesson. F.A.Q. Where's your, where's your price, Ringo? Okay, well I'm trying to Oh, courtroom There we go All right It's hiding Wait, I just call?

Oh, here we go, here we go Yeah, 34 bucks Going up Going up in January Clear one Shout out my boy Daryl Let's see Yeah, Richmond

Here we go So yeah 20 bucks has gone up to Oh sure why not oh my god our rentals are here we go court rental 30 bucks uh and darrell's um if you can get a court there because he's really focused on training at his facility he actually runs the training programs for us at smash champs i would use smash champs as an example but what's the point of that that's a facility that i control the pricing of and that doesn't doesn't have a long history But all of these places would have been closer to about 20 bucks an hour back in the day. And a tube of shuttles would have been like 20, 25 bucks. Whereas now a top tier Yon-X shuttle is like, I think, approaching $100 Canadian retail for like goose feather.

So very few people are playing with goose feather. And like the lower end ones are more like 40 plus. You're talking a tube, yeah? Yeah, 12 shuttles. it's been it's been absolutely brutal i was chatting with um a buddy who runs a bunch of clubs in taiwan and he's like yeah this is going to this has the potential to kill our sport if it just gets too unaffordable would would people accept lower quality shuttles yes are you talking about court rentals um navy rymar says shouting out a competitor is based

i don't i i have always there's a different view Had a bit of a different view on competition. I think that competition is healthy. I think it is good for the consumer. I think that you can have competition without animosity. I think that you can have friendly rivalry. Do I compete with Ringo and Jason and Daryl? Yes.

Can we collaborate? Yes. There's also this idea that like if you all together make the sport of badminton more popular in the area, you just all win. This is the whole rising tide thing. It applies to so many different realms that people realize. This is not... Smash Champs

also isn't in... You didn't open one next door. Yeah. And why would I? Different market. Why should I? Yeah. Heck, I'll shout out my boy Melissa. Whatever, boy. Don't worry about it. The point is Yuma Pro Shop, good shop.

We're competing with them hard. We're probably going to go into E-tail and we're going to We're going to compete with them online. That's fine. I can still respect the hell out of Melissa's hustle. And ideally you're bringing more people to the space. And we can both make each other better and it'll be great. Everyone will be happy.

Yeah. And sometimes someone will not be happy and they will get out competed. But I think then they need to reflect. They need to look in the mirror. I believe in healthy competition. And if that's me, then what I need to do is I need to look in the mirror and I have to figure out how to do it better. So, yeah, no, I'm, and I walk this walk. In a lot of healthy competition environments, people will help each other compete against each other often.

Like it's, because it's not about crushing the other party. It's about doing better. And if you're all like just killing it, it's very likely that your industry is just going to grow. Yes. Because if you're all actually doing that well, it's probably going to be an exciting place to be for consumers and everyone else there. And your industry is just going to grow. And it's just going to be really good. 100%.

Yeah. Okay. What do you want to talk about next? I'm scrolling through. I can save my story time about nine bots, terrible customer service for next week. It's not even terrible customer service. Their customer service was pretty good, but I'm not happy with the resolution. We should talk about that, but maybe, yeah, let's do that.

Ooh, next week's probably also not going to be super long. Well, we'll see how it goes. Okay. My whole thing has changed. I can just do it at the normal time. It's fine. Okay. You do whatever works for you. Oh, what day of the week is it next week?

Are we going to be spending Christmas together? No, boxing day. Yeah. 20 next year is Christmas Day. Okay, cool. Actually, that'll still be fine. Okay. There's, I mean, there's the tech house plans.

There's a 3D printing farm. Oh, LTT cells fake Ptm 7950. Oh! Just kidding. Igor's Lab published a review of our PTM 7950 titled Linus Tech Tips PTM 795 review original OEM product or fake proud to say that we got Igor's lab

badge of approval it's the genuine article thanks for the extensive testing and also the writers of this included a quote which I also love so I'm happy they included this quote this pad is from the edge of the cake among the PTM 7950 products not intended for industrial

showcases but fully fledged powerful and in practice at least as good as what is otherwise lying perfectly cut in the display and sometimes as I knew even as a child these are the pieces with the best bite

I actually love that TLDR it's all good yeah I exchanged a handful of emails with Igor about this um you know from my point of view i i i appreciate i appreciate his passion for the subject that is what i can say is you know if there was ever a concern that you had that there was nobody out there like obsessively validating thermal compound you can lay that concern to rest because Igor is obsessively evaluating thermal compound.

I wouldn't have thought it possible to write a five-page review of, because it's just PTM-795. We just, we're pretty, I think as transparent as we can possibly be. I did not develop a thermal compound. No. I do not have the engineering and or manufacturing. expertise or capital to develop an industry leading thermal compound. I accept that.

I accept that about myself and my business acumen and resources. So what I did is I took a thing that exists already that someone told us was good and that we validated we thought was pretty cool too. And then really smart people have told us as really good. And then we made a box. Really skinny box. It's so skinny. It's a skinny box.

It's a skinny box. colorful, too. It's got orange on it. We made it. Three colors. We put it right on there. Yep. We did it. Yeah. Go read it. Um, and, uh, and so I wouldn't have thought that it was possible to write a five-page article about our endeavors to put a box on a product that existed. Uh, but he did it. And with flair as, uh, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as Luke pointed out, maybe even with the minimum 16 pieces of flare.

I thought it's pretty great. And honestly, it's a fair enough question because apparently this is like a thing that it's faked often and it's like hard to find. Which is why we sourced it in the first place. Difficult to get it from the official company and all that jazz. But we

didn't we didn't source it from a fake source. So there was no concern in my mind that you know we were selling fake PTM 7950 um yeah but if someone's asking the question i appreciate that eager answered it yep yep i mean i uh yeah that's good nice and sick quote it's so awesome it's actually just a great read um are we talking about your wikipedia article in float plane chat right now yeah i didn't know this was a thing yeah i uh caught this earlier this

week. So someone attempted to create a Wikipedia entry for Mr. Luke LaFrenierre, who was declined for not being notable enough, but I actually take, no, hold on a second. I actually. Was it actually? Which one's that? Where's that one? That's what people said on Reddit. I actually don't see that in the thing. That's funny, though. Hold on. That is, they do not show. significant coverage about the subject and published. Yeah. Yeah, basically. Yeah, pretty much.

Based. However, however, I actually, I think that that might be a self-promotion issue for you. So one of the things that makes someone notable is how often they've been covered in third-party media. But we've talked about this a fair bit in the past

where I will often get like, spam to my inbox that's like hey we're publishing a list of the top 10 tech influencers or you know the top most influential people in in technology and media or uh social media or whatever um do you uh we'd love to include you that'll be five hundred dollars or whatever so uh i actually strongly believe that with a little bit of effort you are very influential you're saying I could very broadly known by influence I think we just I think we just need to play the game

I just think we need to play the game a little bit you know if it's third party sources that they need which is what I'm seeing here the only thing that I think they need to include is the handling of the hard hard heart event and then you'll have infinite third party sources yeah well I mean you don't want your entire Wikipedia article to just be like, he saved

Linus's company. Yeah, but that's what you get it. That's what gets it through the door. And then you can add the fun stuff. What is it like? Early life, rise to fame, strife. Downfall. Notable controversies.

Yeah, controversy. And then array, one, two, three, four, five, six. I don't know. I think that with a little bit of effort. And I'm going to throw this, I'm going to throw this back to the community a little bit. Oh, no. We could maybe, you know, we could maybe prod some publications or maybe just, uh, you know, get, get some invitations for interviews. No, no, like being interviewed by people is important. Okay. Like, um, um, I'm trying to remember because I, I, my initial, a couple of those.

The community tried to get me on there a number of times before they ultimately see. succeeded. And I don't remember what the threshold was, but it was also I was rejected for not being notable until such time as some arbiter of who's notable on Wikipedia decided I was notable. Right. I mean, here's something that could potentially, um, that could potentially help. I do understand. Like, if there's a Wikipedia page for everyone, then it just gets a little bit ridiculous. Yeah, that's, and that's fair enough. Yeah. Should we, should we talk about the thing? I don't, I'm not offended by this. Uh, talk about, uh, what? You know, the thing.

Oh, uh, I, 30 minute warning. This might not be the show. I'm not even, I just, I think it's maybe not. I think we do it the one after next week, maybe. Dr. Gizmo says the thing. So that we have more time. Luca 103 says, yes.

We haven't done after dark. Crystal says, Crystal says, thing? I'm just saying. I think there's not time. I think we do it the week after next week. I'm not even, I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm, but we have to do after there's merch messages I'm sure we have to do after dark

and I suspect that might end up I suspect that'll either be a very short or very long conversation have people even have we even told people how to send merch messages yet no like this is what I'm talking about this we don't have time brother did I finish the rest of the sponsors good lord we do not have time this is okay um hey it's that time of year to buy something on LTT store dot com you could pick up some of the new deals that we have right now buy a commuter bag today get $50 to spend

or hey we've got a limited very very very limited number of black shaft screwdrivers so you could go ahead and add a commuter bag add to cart boom head to the cart and you'll see ah yes the interface to send a merch message it will go to producer dan who will

probably this week mostly not curate too many of them because I do have a heart out in a little bit And, I mean, or you guys could hang and do some merch messages after I leave. Either way, he will also maybe, like, respond to you or forward it to someone who can help with your message. You place your order, and then instead of just throwing money at your screen, you can throw money at amazing merchandise, like our quality commuter bag, or a cool hoodie, like the one that I'm wearing, or a cool shirt. Oh, Luke's wearing the glitch shirt. So you could go into your cart and you could be like, glitch, please. And then you'd get a glitch shirt.

That would be quality. Dan, why do we do one merch message to show people how merch messages work? Sure. Hey, DLL. When considering the tech house, were you afraid that having the easiest house would affect your ability to make entertaining and more, quote-unquote, universal upgrade videos for others to watch? No, because there will be, in my mind, the tech house is just the beginning. Nice. In my mind, we... Tech town. No. In my mind...

Tech Small City. Hmm. Interesting. RV park. Oh. In my... In my mind... This is just the first one.

So we want... I wanted to... It's just like I said at the beginning of the video. I wanted to have something that is somewhat relatable that people could follow along at home a bit where we have to solve real world. problems. You know, we're going to have to be, we're going to fish wire up through walls. We're going to, we're going to solve real problems, whether we do it

intentionally or unintentionally, because like we might. I'm honestly really excited for this. We might pull a bunch of the drywall off to make it easier to run a lot of the wiring. And then we might realize that, oops, we got to run another one and we're going to have to figure that out. We're going to, what if you find a mold? Then we're going to have to solve that. Oh my. So we're going to, it's going to be challenging. I'm not worried it's not going to be challenging enough, but I did want one where I kind of had a pretty good vision of like what it kind of might look like and how we might tackle these challenges. If this goes well, if it's a huge success, then I could totally see us doing

something very similar with a condo, something very similar with a more challenging house, you know, with a rancher that's right on a slab where we have to like really dig deep and find solutions. No, I'm super excited about it, and I think it's going to be flipping, awesome, pun intended. Um, oh,

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What do we want to talk about next? Uh, we are really getting into not a lot of after dark territory, but, um... A school's security AI flagged a clarinet as a gun. And apparently it was supposed to do that. A Florida middle school went into lockdown after an AI security system flagged a student's clarinet as a gun sending police rushing to the campus for what they believed was an active shooter situation.

Officers later confirmed there was no threat and the weapon was a banned instrument carried by a student in a holiday costume. The AI system made by Zero Eyes scans security camera footage for firearms and alert school officials and police. Despite the false alarm, the company said the system worked as intended, arguing that it is better to act on uncertainty than to risk missing a real threat. A position the school appeared to support. Critics say that incidents like this highlight the risks of AI-based school security, pointing to past cases where similar systems have mistaken harmless objects for guns and caused panic. They argue the tools are expensive, unproven, and may increase stress and police confrontations rather than improve student safety.

Sending a bunch of extremely high stress people with firearms into a situation where they think kids are being shot at Because of a mistake Well, I support this because I just plain hate the clarinet I'm kidding It was just a joke, but we need to move on anyway Hopefully it was called off before they got there Yeah, anyways A former Amazon, oh you know what, let's do this one next week too

okay yeah there's a lot of topics yeah i don't know what happened because i thought you message saying there was like none i did and i don't recognize a lot of these they weren't on my thing every single week i do not say that every week i just say it many weeks every week yeah that's not true oh there's no topics i have not seen this facebook one facebook has apparently tested limiting users to a maximum of two shared links per month unless they pay for meta verified uh Links in only two organic posts per month if they're not verified. Users who hit the two link limit are prompted to subscribe to meta-verified if they wish to share additional external links. They are in the business of getting scammers to pay the money.

We talked about this earlier in the show. Maybe it's just more of that. The trial currently focuses on a subset of independent creators and pages that are using professional mode. Notably, traditional news publishers are excluded from this specific test for the time being. though it is worth noting that in many countries they can't share news on Facebook due to attribution and compensation laws that meta doesn't want to deal with anyway

okay cool that was all I had to say about that Facebook sucks cool let's move this one to next week I'm just going to highlight it doop-de-doop next week this is weird sure go for it YouTube is letting creators make playable games

with the Gemini 3 tool YouTube is testing a new feature that lets creators builds, yeah, the project called Playables Builder is launching as an open beta for select creators. The tool works through a web app that lets creators describe a game in plain language with no coding required. YouTube has already been experimenting with small games on its platform since 2023 and added multiplayer support last year. So this is an expansion of that idea with AI doing most of the setup work. YouTube says that the goal is make quick, bite-sized games that viewers can play inside YouTube?

Why? On desktop or mobile, not full-scale releases? Think simple interactive experiences rather than polish story-driven titles or console-style games. Critics point out that while AI can help generate basic game mechanics, making a game that's actually fun, usually takes iteration, design, skill, and human judgment. Because AI can create a game doesn't mean people want to play it. Okay. okay

so it's like really bad frog game I guess but you're blue now nice so it's gaming slot you are running in dirt so the name of the game seems

oh that was it I can't tell what are obstacles and what are you died yeah um okay well that was something cool

I guess for me the big question is why yeah that's for sure that's my same question as well Netflix tried games I don't think that worked out I don't feel like YouTube needs games

study zone my new task is to finish the WAN show like what am I do I check it off achievement unlocked first steps my like biggest concern about YouTube right now is that they seem

to be pushing towards shorts quite a bit and oh god it's so it's getting so bad are literally called by a lot of people like slop or brain rot or something else like that and YouTube was always known

as a like wholesome community platform that is like Wholesome is questionable, but definitely community. No, in a lot of ways. I think it's seen, community and wholesome, I think, have a lot of paired connotations. This is my homepage right now. An ad. It is more than half shorts.

Two live streams. Five shorts. That's all that's above the full. So zero vods. I get three vods, one of which is an ad, so that I can shop. I get this YouTube playable garbage. It's stupid. then I get another live stream

finally a Vod and oh my God I got Rickrolled That is the first two No no no no no that's a mix These keep coming up as well More shorts That's a mix It's different

More ad The Rickroll is like Something different It's not like a video Full width ad Like this sucks And I'm worried that YouTube is going down

A not good path in regards to... I've raised this. It's like future legitimacy. I've raised this. I've... And the ability for outside companies to encroach on its part of the internet.

I can't raise this any more often than I already raise it. You're dumping mud into your own moat. Like... How about just let someone else be the brain rot platform? And you can, I think you can have shorts on it. I don't think shorts existing on YouTube is the problem.

I think it's the promotion level of them. It's trying to make it the primary part of YouTube, I think is actually a very, very bad idea. Yeah. So the point where if you really want to do that, I almost think it should be a separate app. Anyway. You're trying to do too much. You're trying to be a gaming platform. you're trying to be V Shorts platform, trying to be a live streaming platform, trying to be a Vod platform, trying to be a post comment thing platform, trying to be TV. And what I mean by that is like old school TV, not the fact that it's on a TV, to be clear. It's, it's rough. I have, within the last, like, year, I think I've never heard so much negative sentiment about what YouTube is.

Yeah. And what I mean by that is, again, attaching to words like brain rot, AI slop, things like that. I have never heard that type of stuff. Generally, people are very positive about what YouTube is and might be very negative about things that are on it. Or how aggressively they monetize it. Sure. Something like that. But YouTube at its core, everyone was always very positive about.

And then that is now changing. And that's a... And they resisted the urge. You know, back when Vine was a thing, YouTube resisted the urge to just be Vine. or be Snapchat or be, you know, whatever more, um, digestible rapid fire content was, you know, they didn't have to add, you know, DMing. Uh, they didn't have to add, you know, short form vertical videos that you can swipe through. They, they really didn't have to add this game thing. They really didn't have a lot of, of extreme addiction, actually extremely bad for

you things. Yes, people would spend way too much time on you. YouTube, whatever. And yes, that was their business model and still is. For sure. But there are rather extreme levels of manipulation when it comes to short form content, which is like actually bad for your brain and like extremely hijacking dopidomeric, blah, blah, blah, things that I don't understand. Go watch someone else talk about it. I don't know anything about medical stuff. Please don't hate me. It's, it's, yeah, there you go. But it's, it's, they're not, they're not like good for us. Shorts are highly questionable as a thing. And algorithmic tuning. too was something that

I feel like they were more thoughtful about in the past. Yes. I remember having a long conversation with them back when you remember that trend when it was just red hot knives cutting through things was like half of the stupid videos and the other half were like how many how many M&Ms can you flush down a toilet and I was basically like I talked

to them and I was like look I'm not just sitting here whining and moaning because my more technical actually requires a little bit of cognitive load content is like getting fewer reviews right now obviously that's a concern for me I do wish to be promoted you know on the platform right but if your bar is going to be that anything that doesn't get the click through if you are this platform now gummy bears in a toilet or or red hot knives cutting through

watermelons or or pieces of feces or you know whatever whatever it is if I can't achieve that level of click through then I just like don't get my videos served is that going to be good for your platform in the longer term? Is that going to be good for the creator ecosystem that you're trying to build where people can have predictable, stable performance

that allows them to hire people and build businesses? Is that what you want? And I feel like they've lost track of that. YouTube felt like it was being built for the forever and right now again

over the very relatively short period of time Maybe a year, somewhere around that. It really feels like they are diving extremely hard for the short term, which is not a game they even need to win. They were effectively 100% of the market share of the forever video platform. Win that. You already had every eyeball of everyone on the planet, basically. You know how they stopped reporting like user change because it was effectively population change? Like, dude, you won.

please don't grasp defeat from the jaws of victory it's not necessary and you can still not do it in other news the chat gpti app store is here open a i has opened up app submissions for chat gpte letting developers publish apps that run directly inside the chat bot and appear in a new app directory these apps can extend conversations by taking actions like ordering groceries building slide decks or searching for apartments without leaving ChatGPT. Oh good. Developers can build apps using the Apps SDK in beta and submit them through the OpenAI developer platform.

Approved apps will begin rolling out next year and can be discovered through ChatGPT's tools menu or triggered directly in conversations. For now, monetization is limited to linking out to external websites or apps, while OpenAI says that it's exploring future options like digital goods. All apps must follow safety and privacy rules.

That shouldn't be too hard. with clear data disclosures and easy ways for users to disconnect. Canva, Expedia, Spotify, and TripAdvisor are already available with app integration, although the new store is being launched with an open call for developers to put new apps on the platform. Cool. I really just don't want to talk about that, so why don't we do some rich messages. Yeah, sounds good. Hamnetics says number one selling app girlfriend, no way. Is that true?

No, it was a Mrs. Craboppel honk. They're calling me a goose. This is why I have to play on my phone the whole time, otherwise it takes too long. Okay, yeah, I got a couple here for you. Let's see. Hey, Dan, tell Linus and Luke I say hi. Calder says, hi.

Technically, you did that yourself. I recently programmed some automation dockers, and without ChatGPT, it would have taken four times as long. Are there any better ways to learn to code? Am I stuck with ChatGPT? Luke's face. I can feel the cringe from here.

Oh, man. I mean, man, I really enjoy this person's channel sometimes when they release videos because I think there's big gas between them but I might be wrong I might just not see them that often

but basically homeless we've talked about him on WANN show before I'm certain he had a video out recently that I thought was fantastic which is this one I tried switching to Linux for

yeah there's some big gas for new videos okay I'm not crazy the I tried switching to Linux for 157 days very interesting video fun ads I'm used to YouTube premium

so whenever I see ads on YouTube I'm like what That's not allowed. Yeah. But yeah, great, great video in general. Go watch it. But one of the topics that he brings up is that the accessibility of running Linux is actually

kind of a lot higher. Thanks to. If you're like, hey, I'm having this problem. And it's like, oh, just copy paste this into command line and you're done. And it's like, oh, cool. Command line's a lot less scary. And I mean, there's questionable things about letting, you know, AI run your command line. But a command line is like a command line is.

a lot less scary when you just you don't have to learn what every little part of the command means when you're just copy pasting it um it's a it's a very it's very interesting video go check it up um and in the same way this makes it easier for you to do what you're doing but it's questionable whether you're actually learning or actually learning coding yes i and if your goal isn't necessarily to actually learn it okay yeah you can also prompt things in a way where you make it like you know don't actually give me the answer yep just like you you can make it try to teach you but it won't do that by default no and i think the vast majority of people are not using these things in that way so like if we're being realistic um in a lot of ways it's

actually stopping you from learning the thing and again that might be okay depending on your objective um but yeah i mean there's who's ringing uh that That's me. Sorry. It's, I don't know. There's lots of, there's a, what's that one company? I've heard they're cool. They do like. Larian.

Yeah. No, it's, I don't remember what they're called, but they do, there's like a very gamified way of learning to code. How pathetic is it that I'm sitting here struggling to think of another cool company? Oh, the ones that have the kind of like friendly cano? Do they still exist? Maybe that's it? I don't know. Elijah said boot. Dev.

I don't know much about them. I haven't used their service. I've heard they're cool. This is the kid version. I think I was thinking of boot. Dot Dev, but I think this is the kid version. Okay.

Does Scratch have like a learning thing? I think it does. But that's a little... That's a little before programming. It is very intro. But if you haven't done any learning yet on programming, Scratch is really cool. You can actually do some surprisingly good things to Scratch.

I think it's very interesting. incomplete um but so is powerpoint sponsored by dude dot dev before okay i don't know i don't pay that much attention that isn't why i brought them up to be clear um but yeah i think it's kind of a need idea um to to to make it kind of a game so that it's fun especially if you're doing this just for fun i know we've done spots for boot dot dev yeah i just didn't remember um coding game. Somebody said code and game. I don't know. Yeah, there's like near infinite ways to learn how to these days. There are so many different services that you can subscribe to that have cool different angles on it. There's tons of free information out there. There are YouTube tutorials

more than you could possibly imagine. With nine minutes. There's everything. Yeah, go for it. You mentioned that one that was like the 11-hour Godot tutorial. Amazing video. Incredible. Incredible. Unlimited knowledge of all right any long-term plans either partner or partner with or create your own brick and mortar presents for LTT store products if memory serves did Microsenter have the screwdriver for a while how about a best buy um retail partnerships are tough because this may surprise you but retail um requires significant margin on the product that otherwise we could take for ourselves and retail also has a lot of baggage retail especially with a relatively small entity like us will demand very challenging purchase terms so they'll pretty much say yeah we'll pay you

when we feel like it any returns you will simply eat them we will just destroy them we will not bother to return them to you and things could be returned for reasons as trivial as a little dint on the packaging and yeah like it or lump it and if we had the kind of clout that we could negotiate a better deal than that or if we had really deep margins on our products then we'd be able to absorb that but there's a reason that the direct to consumer model works and so we looked at it pretty recently and based on sort of our anticipated we haven't talk to anyone about the specifics, but based on our anticipated expectations for the margins and the, oh yeah, loss too, like there's a lot more theft in a retail location than there is

in a secure warehouse somewhere. And they're not going to eat it. We're probably going to end up eating that too. So that one I don't know for sure, but I do know the other ones. The point is just that it's, we did the, we ran sort of some preliminary estimated numbers and we compared that and it would probably cost us less to just subsidize shipping on our key skews versus to give up the margin and overhead of having them in retail. There's a reason the detail is competitive. Yeah. Hi, Linus and Luke. Do you think we will see in another couple years of game performance stagnation because the user base will be running older hardware longer like what happened during COVID, i.e.

PS4 and PS5. The performance stagnation isn't interesting... For me, it's... It more comes down to... Because there's always a cycle, right? With consoles. And you're going to see a new console's going to come out

that's going to push the boundaries in terms of what game developers can build to run on it. And then for a while, there will be pretty much no point for any cross-platform game targeting anything other than and sort of approximately that, but plus or minus, some bells and whistles. And then you'll get a new console, and there'll be like kind of a two to three year leg

as games that were actually started development targeting that console start to come out, and then you'll see sort of a benefit to having a higher-end PC there. So that's part of it. But the other part of it is that for, I feel like, almost kind of two super cycles now, we've reached the point where the gating factor is just how much bloody work it is for developers to build bigger and bigger games you can't just expect a bigger, prettier game every time

unless the company is rock star whether it will spend literally the better part of a decade working on a game hundreds of millions of dollars, you know? I don't know if you want to say it's a bigger game but looking at again Embark Studios for Arc Raiders and the finals those games run really well

actually and like look pretty great so it's still possible i think there hasn't been a ton of incentives for companies to focus on that in a long time yeah that's true and that might be changing a little bit maybe potentially i don't know ram i was wondering about the impacts on chrome like does chrome development change a little bit because of ram limitations right like if your product just isn't competitive because uh the install base i would rather use some other browser that's less memory hungry I don't think that's going to be enough to destabilize Chrome, just to be clear. But it's just an interesting thought experiment of like, we're hearing companies significantly limiting RAM on devices.

Like, wasn't one of them limiting to eight gigs? Eight gigs in 2026, bruh? Dang. Yeah, it's not great. Like, that's, I can get Chrome to eight gigs real fast. There's also, man, another major factor is that the lead times on all this stuff is so long that if I was starting the development of a game today, I wouldn't even be accounting for the RAM shortage.

Nope. By the time I released my game, the RAM shortage will be in the rear view mirror. So, yeah, and then anything that was already started is going to be... Wasn't accounting for it anyways. And you can tune. You can optimize. I don't think that it will be a major factor.

I also don't think that your, even your premise is necessarily, correct. Invidia's gaming revenue is up 30%. So this entire premise of that everyone's running older hardware, so you know... They're specifying PS4 and PS5. Because games often target

console performance. They say older hard... No, like what happened then. No, no, they're saying it's happening now because of prices going up. We'll be running older hardware like what happened during COVID, IE PS4 and PS5. Yeah. So I don't... People are not

not buying computers right now they are and the thing that I talked about earlier where like I understand why people are angry that RAM is more expensive and that's totally valid but like buying a computer relative to everything else around us in the world is also more affordable than ever just like TVs TVs and computers have been shockingly inflation proof over the entire span of my lifetime to the point where I feel like we just take it for granted we can't so I guess maybe that's what I didn't explain very well earlier is that's maybe that's a better angle on it maybe that's the perspective adjustment we need is like do not take this for granted the fact that things are as good as they are is actually a modern miracle it could

be so much worse we know we know it can be and we're looking for it to get back there we wish it were better but it could be so much worse I think the I think that don't take it for granted thing is probably a stronger angle personally All right Last one I got for you today Hello, WAN. DLL. I've heard a lot of debates surrounding MSPs and whether or not they are effective. What are your

opinions on using an MSP instead of doing everything in-house? Medical services plan? Managed service provider, I think, is what they mean. So, like, out-of-house IT is, I think, what they're referencing. I've heard places that have done it very effectively. I've also heard a lot of stories of places switching to something like this and then being like, oh, no, it's really bad.

And then trying to go back to what they had before. But now they fired all their people. So they can't get those people back because they've gone other places now. And then things are just really rough. You lose your tribal knowledge. Yeah. I think at large companies, a mix probably makes a decent amount of sense. Okay.

Comments in chat really on. We have an MSP. effing sucks. Vanock working for an MSP. I want to die. Fox Giacan. I worked for MSP. Nope. Yeah. I think the like, oh, we can just outsource everything and put everything in the cloud and nothing has to be local anymore, ever, even people. That whole idea didn't turn out as well as people hoped. And there's a, there's a pretty big benefit to just having your own IT, people that understand your space. understand your environment.

Know your people. Yep. And can adapt things well and understand the needs of individual people and like people who might be working at different departments doing specific things, et cetera. All right. Unfortunately, everyone, I have a heart out right now. I've got to go. And, um...

And I got work to do. Nice. Yeah. It's so weird when we do Wannerly. It is extremely strange. My brain starts to shut down actually. It's like not good. Oh, it's like conditions.

Yes. Like, we have not missed a Friday WAN show since, like, the start of COVID lockdown. Yeah. Like, it's been five years. So on Friday, when I say the thing. Yeah, which hasn't been said yet. Hasn't been said yet. Don't do it.

I, like, I have this, like, energy letdown that is, like, relatively extreme, actually. Yeah. I don't know how to not go lock up the building. Yep. And, like, go home and sleep. It's weird. Yeah. It has happened where I've just, like, wandered for a second and then been like, oh, yeah, I guess I'll go to my desk.

Yeah, oh, it's super trippy. It's very odd. Yeah, it's probably the same for a lot of them, too, actually. Wouldn't be surprised. Like, if they're used to the WAN show at a particular time in their time zone, just being like... Screws up the ritual. Yeah, because, like, I mean, it's, you know, we're not, like, the biggest live stream in the world or anything, but there's, like, probably a solid 10,000 people watching, and I would say out of those,

just based on the names that I see a lot of, with a lot of regularity. Yeah. There's a lot of people for whom the WAN show is, like, part of their Friday routine. Yeah. And it's just like, yeah, we'll try to get back to a more regular schedule. It's just Q4 and the holiday season and all that stuff. Things have been a little wild. Yeah, we'll try and get things going for you.

And we'll see again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye! Thank you.