The WAN Show - Minecraft Views On YouTube About To Skyrocket - WAN Show August 21, 2026

Episode Date: August 22, 2026

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Welcome to the WAN show. We got a great show lined up for you guys this week. YouTube is going to be fiddling about with the knobs and dials, changing the way that views are reported on the platform. This could cause a serious viewflation event across the entire YouTube ecosystem, including on videos about Minecraft, which I only bring up specifically because a few weeks back, we put Minecraft. in the title of the WAN show. It got three times as many live viewers. I messaged YouTube asking, hey, what was up with that? And they said, I think it's just because people love Minecraft.

And I went, wow, what a fascinating conclusion to draw from that. I disagree. So why don't we test that theory by trying to see if the lightning will strike again? So, Minecraft, just to make sure that the transcription for this video is loaded with words like Minecraft. and in other news, Intel says that LGA-1700 chips are going to be sticking around and will remain a major part of Intel's lineup for, and this is a quote, years, because, well, they're more affordable thanks to the fact that they're compatible with DDR4.

What else we got this week, Mr. Luke LaFrenier? Ratings is reporting that modern OLEDs are just as vulnerable to burn in as 2017 panels in a 10,000-hour test. No, I don't want to hear it. La la la la la la la la la la la la la la that is terrible news what would be better news would be talking about Minecraft Which I'm sure we will do at some point they're gonna have more movies and also I heard it's a hit game yeah For sure were you gonna pick another real topic there was one and I lost it I don't know where it went

I'm trying to find it ah there it is the PBS channel we talked about on the last show Won the rights to 70 years of archival TV data so that's good they got their own data back Unfortunately they also didn't learn their lesson Truly a win for Canada and therefore the world. But we're happy that they got it. So at what point do we just change it to the Minecraft show, brought to you by Squarespace, MSI, Vessy, and Motion Gray, along with our rap partner, Dbrand, and our chair partner, Razor.

You know, we have been talking about changing After Dark. So the original After Dark was Lions and I playing games. Yeah, NHL 90, I want to say, was it 93, I think, or 94? Something like that. 93 sounds right. Yeah, it could be either. I wanted, basically, I found the one game that I was pretty sure I could beat Luke at, and then I think he ended up getting better at it than me in about three matches.

No, it really didn't take you that long, but thank you for the charitable recollection. You beat me in a lot of stuff. By the way, Marks kind of threw down the gauntlet. Him and I were having dinner the other day, and he said he could whoop. you at Supreme Commander? I really don't think that he could. I have had people approach me at Lans and tell me what huge Supreme Commander buffs they are

and all breathlessly explain to me their intimate knowledge of the lore of Supreme Commander and whatever else. And without fail, every single time I have played with them, it has been utterly boring. easily I could completely wipe the floor with them. Now I'm rusty. I'm very rusty, but I was well within the top 1,000 when the game was at his heyday. I was actually good at it. I wonder like we should we should do like a there should be a wall that you have to get through.

Like do you think little man and I would still be worse than you? No you think we'd lose in a 2v1? You guys could beat me together, especially on a smaller map where because you got you guys have both just basically optimized the build of orders that I taught you to fling units and because subcom has fixed starting locations because it's generally not terribly important in a 1v1 it doesn't do you a lot of good to know where your opponent is necessarily um really it's it's more about economy management and and and and managing the fight on all the different fronts that you have to manage it on i would say i heard the strategy that he had planned and i was like

Yeah So you know what He's more than welcome to try I'll be at Whaland Is it this coming weekend or is it next Next weekend I think yeah Not this one next I'll be at Whale Land so he's more than welcome

To play me there and I'll be Apparently there's a spiritual successor to it I think it's called Beyond All Reason I've tried that Yeah is it any good It's Okay fair enough Got it

well i wish them nothing but a success in continuing to develop the game it's free yeah free there's nothing that you should be making that face about really really how they monetize it how they're going to make their money back it's like open source or something what i don't know it's like community it is crazy whoa yeah okay i mean that sounds super cool I've watched some like battle stuff on YouTube people do like commentated battles of like 12th 12s and stuff like that crazy game yes felks says beyond all reason is coming along nicely very cool it's like modern this shouldn't exist in current year huh really cool project sweet okay okay never mind i take it back yeah very cool our headline topic today YouTube wait did I already say

this Is it about Minecraft? Yeah, oh, right, Minecraft. We need to talk about Minecraft. On August 24th, YouTube will be changing what counts as a view. Instead of some number of seconds of you watching a video or mousing over it and allowing the auto play to continue, instead of that, it will count as a view the moment a regular Vod starts playing. Shorts have already counted a view as soon as playback starts, so nothing new there, but now regular views are adopting the same approach.

So in practice, creators should start to see bigger public view numbers, bringing regular YouTube videos more in line with how views are counted on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube shorts. Within the analytics dashboard, YouTube is keeping the engaged views figure around, so you'll still have continuity to compare, your views on newer videos against your views on older videos. So you'll just use views for the older videos and engaged views on the newer ones. And also they are not retroactively updating the view counts

of older videos. This? Yeah. Okay, hold on. There is one more thing. YouTube says the update will not affect creator earnings. Adoy because no new anything is actually

happening. These are not actually new views. They're just a new way of counting the same views that were there. nor will they affect eligibility for the partner program. Those will continue to rely on engagement-based metrics. So our discussion question is, is this good for us? How does this change impact something like LMG? It's good in the sense that our business team

will be able to more easily pitch our Vod products to brands and compare them more favorably against all the other creators that are pitching them, Instagram or YouTube shorts or TikTok or whatever. that might actually be real because I think a lot of people watching are going to go no they're going to ask for the engaged views obviously they know you have it they know you can get it they'll just ask for that metric I don't know no they won't one brands are not that smart and number two number two we can just not give it to them because why would we accept an uneven playing field against everything else that they're being pitched what's the point I wonder how other

creators will deal with that. I suspect that the entire industry is just going to move to this new view format. However, one of the things is, it's like I think there are a lot of negatives to this that are real, like a ton, actually. Why do I even bother saying, however, why don't you just do it? But I do think, like, YouTube has been at a kind of weird disadvantage for pretty much this whole time because almost every other platform counts in this way. This is...

Including YouTube. Sometimes they're even more brutal, and you might wonder how. how that's even possible. That's a fascinating conversation. Like, there ain't no way. It's like two million views and like 13 comments on it or whatever. There's some where like not only does it count as a view the second the engagement

happens, but also they'll they'll like multiply it by assuming that there's other people in the room or that the medium is shared or whatever. Sure. Like they guarantee as someone who used to deliver newspapers, this is not true. But what newspapers basically guarantee that every printing gets read by multiple. people. Yeah, magazines too. That was how they sold their ad impressions. When I can guarantee you that not even every newspaper gets read at all. And the multiplier was like obscene. Oh, it's super high. They basically assumed that every magazine got delivered to like a dentist's waiting room. Yeah, I was just going to say. They treat

them all like dentist waiting room magazines. Yeah. But yeah, it's crazy. So maybe for them, this will help level the playing field. I don't know if it's going to help bring more money in for creators or anything. I'm not too surprised by this happening. I think the problems, oh yeah, it's already pointed out here, thumbnails, packaging. I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to some of the older days of YouTube. What, just low rise boobies all over the thumbnails. Yep. Because even if it has nothing to do with the video. The second somebody engages with it at all, it will get a view. However, it is worth noting that that view will be a low quality view, which will hurt that video's ability to be exposed to more potential viewers.

So I actually would recommend against that. My bigger problem with this is actually none of those things though. My big issue with this is that YouTube was the one platform that I could still point at and go, hey, there's a shred of integrity left in publicly available analytics that help us all understand how the attention economy is working. and they're basically just torpedoing it. This is yet another erosion along the lines of losing access to dislikes, losing the ability for sites like Social Blade to track views over the entire lifetime of a channel.

We're just chipping away one thing after another, after another. I mean, at what point is YouTube just going to be another video app that you watch on your TV. They might as well just get rid of comments at this point. Why even show a publicly accessible light counter if they want to level the playing field to that level? Is that what, is that the point that you just will have no idea what the quality of something is or how much momentum there is around it until you just watch whatever it is that they put in front of you? Why have subscription feeds? Why have any of these publicly accessible metrics? Why not just watch what the algorithm deems is best for you?

Watch it right now. Go, go, go, watch, watch. Give us more watch time. You know it's weird, too. You know how Steam, it feels like, people make jokes about this all the time, but Valve seems to just win by doing nothing? Yeah, I actually watched a really interesting video essay the other day about how the one time, oh wait, no, never mind.

Carry on. Linus watched a video essay? Yeah, yeah, but I've completely brain farted, and Valve kind of did something sort of. So carry on. Oh, okay. But that is often their thing. I feel like YouTube is currently being assaulted on three sides, one of which we'll talk about

in a moment. But we've been talking about TikTok and Netflix for a long time. I really do feel like they could have been in a much better spot than they are now if they just didn't actually do anything. If they didn't push shorts as hard as they did, maybe they have shorts, but it's kind of a side thing. And if they didn't mess with a few of the other things that they've been doing out of rhythm-wise lately.

and just let the platform go. You would see TV user share go up, which would naturally drive creators to longer form content, which would build more retention on TV, which would kind of just automatically snowball themselves. Give you more opportunities to serve an ad. But now they have this, like, platform that can't decide what it is, where it's really struggling between shorts and long form

and what's good about which one and struggling with identity. I keep talking about the soul of YouTube. Yeah. It's being eroded for sure YouTube used to have a clear identity I knew what it was It was somewhere that I could go For like my my

My sort of my daily summary type content It's somewhere that I could go To get you know montages Gameplay videos It was definitely the place I went to watch trailers It was where I went for like how tos and tutorials It was where I went to catch up with It was where the most engaging relationship

with any online personalities was going to be, you know, more than 140 characters that I'm going to get over on Twitter. And now I just don't understand what it is. Like there's AI slop games, and I can rent movies. And also there's like, there's the endless scrolling shorts. And there's the traditional Vod that, you know, you get them in a room behind clothes, doors and they swear up and down is still so important and so core to our identity and I go well

then fucking act like it and then there's live streams they got these four hour shows with two people just like sitting at a table what even is the show about nobody knows Minecraft that's right it's about

Minecraft and you know what else is probably going to blow up with Minecraft is the thing that saw the gap in YouTube's armor and finally decided to strike like a like a sleeping dragon finally waking up is billy billy's Billy Billy Billy and this is really really really interesting to me not only because there's guaranteed going to be some amazing Minecraft videos on there but also because just my

god if there was a platform that could actually fight YouTube it's probably Billy Billy who could have possibly possibly seen this one. one coming. I didn't. I didn't. You know what's funny is I could even I could even retcon this and I could claim that I

You did because we've had a channel there forever. I could claim that I big brain saw the writing on the wall and just like TikTok came and took on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube that Billy Billy was going to be the

next big global sensation and that's why I got in early on the ground floor and I have over a million subscribers on Billy Billy no no not at all what it pretty much came down to you got to I got two yeah yeah actually it's they're super cute they're pretty sweet they're really cute can you can you can you go to the home page of that real quick uh of Billy Billy yeah just like the homepage of Billy Billy yeah wow look at that it's just wow it's just videos that people Wow.

Am I a Billy Billy Enjoyer? What's happening? Here's a vlog. I don't see any shorts. No shorts. Just actual videos that probably people want to watch.

Yep. Billy Billy brother. And and Billy Billy in classic you know traditional Chinese fashion took some of the best

ideas from YouTube. Yep. Like payouts to creators. They have a creator revenue split. Yep. They're the one. Actually, it's so funny that I never thought of this. Even though we are on this platform,

they are the one other platform I can think of that does a revshare. They're the one other platform that could actually take YouTube spy. Well, because they're the only ones smart enough to just go, hey, how do we attract creators to our platform? Why don't we just give them a chair? All the articles talking about Billy Billy going global are like, it's interesting because they seem to be going after creators as a whole, more than they're going after like individual pieces of content.

I'm like, yeah, because they're trying to compete with YouTube. They're not trying to compete with something else. And, oh man, they're coming out swinging for YouTube right when YouTube is at, in a lot of ways, the weakest it's been in its like entire history. So the story, the story of how. Not the weakest, but the most assailable, I think. So the story of how I ended up on. Billy Billy is actually that there was a group of people stealing our videos and re-uploading

them to Billy Billy not because they were mean bad people who were trying to take my money or you know whatever they're not being cool because they were big fans of the channel and just wanted to bring LTT content to a Chinese audience many of whom are stuck behind the great firewall and so in a very unconventional business move I asked at the time, Dennis, to reach out and say, okay, hey, what the fuck? You can't do that. But also, how about this? How about I pay you?

And you translate the videos on an official basis, and then we take the revenue share, and out of that, we pay you. And then that was where our Billy Billy Translation Group came from. And as you can see, they are still, they don't upload every video because we kind of leave it to them to determine what makes the most. sense for the Chinese market. They don't take every video. Sometimes over censorship concerns. Sometimes over just not feeling that it's suitable content for that audience.

Maybe it's like super local to North America or something. Who knows? But you can see that as recently as this video from less than a week ago, I think, we are still uploading to our Billy Billy channel. And we've got a foothole baby on the platform that could be the next one. Um, nice ink, print head clogging. Yeah, yeah, I am aware of the concern. We'll see how it goes.

Yeah, Billy Billy. Like, look how, look how just usable this is. Here it is. Other videos that might be interesting to you, some from this channel, uh, some that are just like, you know, in a similar vertical. Where are all the, where are all the ads? Oh, cool. I could watch the video while I scroll down in the comments. I wonder how Billy Billy will perform.

That's pretty cool. Being what YouTube was before shorts rotted YouTube's own brain. I could just expand this and then I could, wow, look at all this. There's just like, there's so, there's so many, like, videos from like a related creator or on a related subject. That's pretty cool. Watch, oh, okay, I have to, I have to log in to see comments. Okay, yeah, fine, fair enough. They also have some pretty fun things for, like, interactivity.

So comments on videos actually appear, according to the timestamp. this is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong. But according to the timestamp where the person commented, they'll actually scroll up here, like while you're watching, which is something you can turn off. You don't have to have it enabled. This is a relatively...

Yeah, I remember that being a... I don't see it happening there, but I remember that being a thing or something. That one just got uploaded. Okay. So I'll have to find one that... It's got a little bit more... But I also don't think that's... That's like the Chinese Billy Billy.

I think they're planning on launching like a different... site. There used to be a requirement that you had to upload like your passport and a bunch of other crazy stuff to be a foreign creator on Billy Billy. They're getting rid of that. And getting your money out of the platform involved sending somebody to China's to do it. I think Terran withdrew the money for us once at one point or maybe we got a maybe it was a family member of someone who worked out. I can't remember it was a whole it was a whole complicated thing. Yeah. And they're making it easier to deal with as a platform. And then I don't

know if they're just adapting the site they have currently to be more friendly for that or if it's going to be a naturally new website or what lozzerth asks does billy billy have video replies uh i don't know but i would be fascinated just like luke to see what kind of success they could have simply by being what youtube used to be yeah and spoiler i think it's going to be a lot they have picture replies and and they're a platform that has been around for a minute. They have figured out the infrastructure. They have figured out scale. Oh, they can do this.

I can't believe this never occurred to me. I feel really stupid right now. I mean, not because it was obvious to everyone else. I think they were just, I think by and large, they were overlooked by pretty much everybody, but it was sitting there right in front of us. I upload to this freaking platform. How did it not notice it?

That seems like they were super, super dedicated for over a decade to just being China's video platform. And most... I mean, not even that. It started as like an anime piracy site. Oh, right, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but kind of like Justin TV eventually turned to gaming, eventually turned to billion-dollar Amazon acquisition in the form of Twitch TV.

And then now who even knows what's going on there? Yeah, humble beginnings. And now here they are coming for YouTube. and they're the closest thing to having a shot. Do they support? They do. They support live streaming. Okay.

You heard it here first. Effective the next couple of weeks, it'll take us a little bit. Whenever Dan gets around to it. Yeah, whenever this guy, you know, gets to it, we are going to simul-stream to Billy-Billy. Why not? Give me a reason. Yeah, no, we should. We should.

Yeah, why not? Dan looked like he had something to say Oh, do it Monday I wonder if we should get like a I don't know if we should actually Okay I was going to say we should get like a live transcription thing

I try to have whisper Whisper running in real time Or maybe there's some other better thing No I think we should just be a live English channel on the platform That's why I then pivoted and was like maybe not No yeah Because they're, man, these flies. It's one on your mic and one on your shirt.

It's been attacking me too. It's so annoying. I've got one over here. Yeah, because I mean, if their plan is to go global and be more Western, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal. But then as well, the millions plus subscribers you have on there already are watching dubbed stuff? No.

Oh. No, it's subtitled. Subtitled. So for I, I, well, should we have automatic subtitling? Oh, you know what? Oh, what a cool application that would be for like a local like AI box. Those sounds what I'm saying. Right there.

Yeah. Oh, that would be very cool. Let's do it. I don't know. I don't know. I think we should do it. You know, I had a call with Nvidia today. Oh.

About working together more on local AI hardware. Oh. Yeah. So. Yeah. I basically was like, look, you guys, we haven't really engaged with you on AI stuff because the whole cloud AI thing. We're not super into that. We're just not really that excited about it.

Yeah. But, you know, I don't think you care who. Local stuff is sick. I don't care who. I don't think you care who you sell shovels to. Yeah. And we're very excited about local AI and local LLMs. And, you know, what does that look like?

Because right now it's a major challenge for us that even if we wanted to buy the hardware, a lot of the time you just outright can't get access to it. So, you know, how can we work together a little better on this, you know, like we used to do in the G-Force days, where, you know, you'd get stuff over to us for evaluation. We do cool projects with it. We have a bunch of fun. Hey, we maybe point a camera at it. You know, remember, like LTT? Why don't we do that kind of stuff for like local AI?

And that is such a perfect example of the kind of project that we would have done in the old days. Yeah. Oh, yeah. the one thing I'm wondering about is like is there is there some way I don't know if I have not familiar with this at all but is there some way we can send them the like subtitle feed maybe Dan knows separately from the video feed or do we have to put it on the video for everyone watching because I don't necessarily want it baked in for everybody you know we already have a pretty big banner down here do we have the big banner and then also subtitle text like my goodness to quote Linus what about second banner? Yeah. I could put it over in the middle. Oh, technology connections beat me to the punch. We're doing a video on our heat pump water heater at the tech house, probably in the next few weeks.

That's fine. We can both make a video on the same subject. I'll allow it, Alec. You should have him come review your house at some point. That would be amazing. I don't know if we'd have enough heat pumps for him. He steps into a new room. Ah, yes, time to talk about the refrigeration cycle again. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. More. Tell me again about how double hoses are better. Please.

It's like an eight-hour live stream of him just constantly restating the refrigeration cycle as he walks around a building. 100% watch time. I actually guarantee me that would explode. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, live streaming, Billy, Billy. I think we'd have to lose the banner. But I think we could try and, I don't even think we need to do the live translation right away.

I think we should start with the stream, and then we can figure out the transcription later. Yeah, that's totally fine. All right. I'm just kind of wondering, like, you know, if you've built an audience over there that is used to reading subtitles, it would be nice to...

Offer that continuity. Give them subtitles. 100%. Yeah. I mean, worst case scenario, we could always process it after the fact and then have it on the Vod. Yeah, sure.

So that's an option. The other thing I can do multi-stream outputs with a different, like, submix. So we could have a secondary banner that was off to one side, and then we throw in the subtitles, like smaller. AJ is saying that we can embed the closed captioning

or the subtitles in the stream. Yeah, we can do some really, really cool stuff with our platform. That would have to be done really fast. Well, if it was delayed. Yeah, we could just have a stream delay. Say it took 12 seconds to process. Yeah, something like that.

And that way, if I ever said something like Taiwan's a country, then, you know, we could deal with that as well with the same stream delay. You'd have to give like, you'd have to give your, translator bros, they're still doing it, right? Aren't they like a company now and they do it for a bunch of... I can't remember the details. It's been a long time since we talked about it.

Give them the red button. Just let them handle it. Yeah, I mean, that is a challenge, right? Because there's no way that we're going to say anything different. Yeah. So... But that's the thing, right? If Billy Billy wants to go global, then they're going to have to figure that out.

That'll be interesting. Yeah. Maybe they don't. Maybe that's the whole play. Maybe it's a, you know, billionaires are buying all the media over here. Maybe China wants a piece. Who knows?

Who knows? All right. What else we got for this week? Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? More topics, he says. You're like perfectly on top. Sure, do you want to pick one, Luke? Sure, I was nerd-sniped wanting to

read the comments of what the Chinese people think of the 1080 video, but I will go pick. I'm actually really interested in that. And I think it's actually, sorry, I think it's really cool that they have picture replies. Yeah, you can hear, you can see previews of what that looks like. Yeah, I think that's awesome, actually. I kind of wonder how they do with moderation on that. I mean, it's China. They find a way. I haven't seen a problem with it yet. So, yeah. Maybe they're very, very, very well-versed in that. We'll see, I guess. Where was one of the other topics that was fun?

Yeah, a PBS channel won the rights to 70 years of archival TV data. We talked about this last week. We told you about how Missouri-based 9 PBS lost 70 years of local storage. Sorry, local TV history, about 50 terabytes of archival data. After its cloud storage provider, open-source storage, went out of business. and cut off access. And there's been an update. A judge has now cleared 9 PBS to recover the data from Iron Mountain,

which was essentially the landlord, the co-location data center for the physical server infrastructure used by open source storage. Now, to be clear, I don't blame, I don't think anyone's blaming Iron Mountain here. No, because...

I think Iron Mountain kind of had to have this legal thing happened to be able to legally hand the data over. Yeah. Because it wasn't technically theirs to hand over. Yep. So they were kind of allowed to do this by this judge. So don't look at Iron Mountain poorly. I'm actually blown away by how quickly the legal system moved on this.

So fast. It doesn't really normally go that way, I think. It might be because Iron Mountain was like, yeah, sounds great. And just didn't have any problems. I'm assuming that happened. I don't technically know. But yeah, their surveys are in Denver. 9 PBS must use a third-party vendor, cover unpaid storage fees,

and ensure other customers' data isn't accessed, which seems fair enough. And the retrieval is expected to happen within 30 days. So all's well. It ends well. But hey, maybe next time you should follow 321 practices, and one of your copies should be on-prem, in my humble opinion. Yeah. Yep.

All right. I think that's... I don't think we need to go over all the... All we need to say about that. Yep. This one is pretty interesting to me. I'm actually going to combine a couple of our topics here. One is that Intel says that their LGA-1-700 platform is going to continue.

to be a, and this is a quote, major part of Intel's lineup for years because folks want to stick with cheaper DDR4. The Tom's Hardware article where they interviewed Robert Halleck, executive Intel, Intel executive, or what is he, a VP or something like that? I forget what his actual job title is. I've met Robert. He's a pretty chill guy. Anyway, the Tom's Hardware article points out that demand for Intel's 4th-gen chip

has jumped so much that processors like the 14600K and 14700K are now hard to find and notably more expensive. Ah, yes, the tale is old as time. This news lines up pretty well with rumors of a Raptor Lake next refresh of these chips. Of course, AMD has also been doing refreshes and re-releases of their 5,000 series AM4 CPUs, which are a little bit on the older side. Other than some of the reliability concerns around particularly the Core-I-7s and Core-I-9s from 13th and 14th-Gen,

14th-Gen is a pretty good place to be. Like, a 14-600K is a pretty nice little sweet spot. And while DDR-5 does offer a performance advantage, we did a video about this fairly recently comparing DDR-4 to DDR-5 for gaming, and we found that the difference was... Did we test Minecraft? Not that much. No, but Minecraft is a really important thing to talk about because it's part of our title for this video, which is part of our strategy for maybe getting more views, at least according to my YouTube rep.

Yes. I forget where I was going with that. Thank you very much. That was a very skillful derailment. A lot of those today? Yep, yep. You tested, you tested a game, DDR4, DDR5. DDR4 versus DDR5. And we found there wasn't much of a difference. and the conclusion for that video was really interesting because I kind of had to point out that

hey, I'm telling you now, don't worry too much about it. Use DDR4, and that's pretty different from what I said to you back when DDR5 came out. So you might think to yourself, gee Linus, you know, why are you shilling so hard for DDR5 back then

and then totally flip-flopping on the issue? And it's because of the price. Yeah. I would have no problem spending an extra $5070 on a DDR5 kit compared to DDR4. Because in the context of my entire system cost, that's going to be like 5, 10%, right? Maybe even less, actually, if I'm spending a couple grand on a system, I'm buying like a high-end system. You know, I'm 4K gaming or whatever.

So no problem. Spend a little bit more on DDR5. But all of a sudden, DDR5 is costing three times, four times as much as DDR5. as much as DDR4. Well, now we've got an enormous problem here, and it totally makes sense to go back to DDR4. There are still challenges buying into older platforms. There's not going to be much in terms of an upgrade path,

and that's true of both AM4 and LGA-1700. But I do think that Intel really nailed it when they kept DDR4 compatibility around for just one more generation than AMD did because you're getting one generation newer change, chips that still support that older legacy memory. And I actually remember that was around the time that I

toured the Intel R&D facility over in Europe that I was kind of, that they were talking about the challenges of having an IMC that supported both DDR4 and DDR5 and all the extra validation that's involved in that. Because it's not just

DDR4 and DDR5. It was a very similar, if I recall correctly, and you'll have to forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but it was, I believe this was a mobile platform So they were talking about the challenges of doing Sodom DDR4, Sodom DDR5, LP of those versions, and doing all of that on one IMC. They were like, yeah, this is like super, super complicated. And oh, thank goodness, we're not going to be doing it on the gen that follows. But I mean, hindsight's 2020, but maybe they should have kept it around as long as they could.

There's a lot of hindsight 2020 stuff going on right now. or people are like kicking themselves for not buying more hardware earlier. I know like in a group chat that I have with some buddies. Yeah. There was a little over a year ago a lot of chatter about like, oh, I'm going to pre-buy a bunch of RAM and drives because the price is going up. I remember seeing that and I had the thought of like, I'm not going to engage with this because.

Oh, you've seen it before. I've seen it before. And then the cycle is always really short or it doesn't even happen. I don't need anything right now. So like, I'm just going to buy it to put it on a shelf and what's the point of that? And then, you know,

I think something like eight months later, both my hard drives went down. And it was like, oh. Shout out, Sean, from the camera department from my birthday present, by the way. I'd offer you one, but I know you don't want to. Dan, you're welcome, though. The price for just those two drives,

the delta between what they were and what I had to buy them at, could have bought a bunch of other hardware that I would have bought at the same time. that was a pretty good throw that was a pretty good throw I went right for one of his hands that was crazy

that was awesome candy um sure uh well right now I'm trying to get logged into Minecraft but what yeah

you're gonna actually play Minecraft on the one well I just got logged into my account so now I can download it and then then I can play it and I was thinking I was thinking if we could just put it in the in the corner

I mean, we could go, we could go full meme and we could just put it down like one of the sides. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Okay. Sure. You know what? I support this. I support this endeavor.

But in the meantime, let's keep talking about Intel. Hold on. No, I wanted, there was another aspect of that topic that I had wanted to follow up on. So this is also from, I believe it was the same interview, but it's from Robert Hallick again. Oh, yeah, here's this title, vice president and general manager of the enthusiast channel business. So big wig, basically. he described the PC market right now as a tale of two kingdoms. And what he kind of meant by that was that

enthusiast and premium. And this is something that we've talked about on the show before, how I've been trying to reconcile how angry people are in the comments and how on Reddit, if you were to read Reddit and take it as gospel truth, oh, don't do that. But if you were to do that, you would get the impression that nobody is buying anything. You know, that everything is so overpriced that nobody's buying anything.

And to hear Robert talk about it, he basically goes, yeah, enthusiast in premium? Not that bad. Sales actually fine. This mirrors almost exactly what we've been saying for a long time of how sales are going, top 10% of earners, making plus over 50% of the purchases. I feel like the same thing is happening. when the economy takes a hit, sure, maybe those top 10% earners, maybe some of them, maybe the bottom 9% of that top 10%, you know what I'm saying, the bottom 90% of the top 10%

takes a hidden income, but they're still able to do, you know, fund purchases here and there. But when the bottom 90% of people take a hidden income, they can't just buy stuff like this. Yeah. And so he was saying, yeah, low end and mainstream is really taking a beating, but enthusiast and premium not so bad. And then he suggested, and this I would be, I would be very interested to see what this looks like going forward slash, I think I have a pretty good idea of what this might look like going forward. And I can't say that I'm a huge fan of it, but he suggests that

going forward, there could be a more clear divide between mainstream and enthusiast platforms, and not just at Intel, but across the industry. So there are a couple of ways that I could see this kind of playing out. Okay, actually three. I'm going to go with my three, and then maybe you can tell me what you think is sort of the most likely, and I think I already know the answer, but I just don't want to hear it right now.

So one, is we could bring back HDT, right? That's how it used to be. For a long time, we actually had a socket split. So post-LGA-775 on the Intel side, We got LGA 1156, and that was your mainstream Linfield chips. And then we got LGA 1366, which had an additional to one memory channel, and was available with up to 50% more core. So you could get like a six-core CPU on that platform, although it was only at the very, very high end. So that was how it used to work.

And we had that split for actually several, quite a few generations. Yeah. 2011. And then the way that that kind of integrates, into the rest of Intel's product portfolio was on the workstation side and even sometimes on the server side, they would share that enthusiast socket,

but they would take away the overclocking bells and whistles and stuff like that because those platforms are more about stability. So that's one way that it could go is we could get ATDT back. I don't think that's going to happen. One of the other ways that it could go is more along the lines of

how we've seen developing markets over the years. And, I mean, to a not insignificant degree, the North American market over the right now, like that very last topic we talked about where people are sticking with DDR4 platforms. Like, remember, how many days old were you when you found out that the Sega Genesis was, like, actively in production and you could, like, buy games for it for like two decades or something like that in South America? Yeah, kind of wild. So the way that platforms would have a much, much longer life cycle in emerging markets is kind of what we're seeing right now happen with platforms like AM4 and LGA-1700. And so like I remember back when I was working at

NCIX, you'd have motherboard brands like Biostar who you'd look at their line sheet and you'd be like why do you have like a $30 motherboard that's like this big. It has like one memory slot on it like one PCI slot, USB, one USB two header. It's like the most feature bear possible thing. Who could possibly want this when for one dollar more I can get twice as many memory slots,

all the PCIE slots, I have a VRM heat sink, like the way that they would ruthlessly cost down this board and the answer invariably was well it's for emerging markets where that dollar matters. Yeah.

Every dollar matters. This person might have saved up for that for a very long time. So we're all. already seeing some of that, and I think that that's a more plausible one than us getting HDT back. Number three is more like what we're seeing in the Chinese market, with more upcycling and more recycling.

So like those funky zion combos where you can get those old repurposed chipsets that have been soldered onto new motherboards, and they come with like old engineering sample server chips. or a really popular one is harvested laptop CPUs that have been put onto adapters so they can be installed in a socket or remanufactured onto desktop boards so that they have a PCIE slot that you can put a GPU in. There was more recently there was, I think it was like a 40 series GPU that was starting to go a little bit viral that was a salvaged mobile GPU that was being remanufactured onto desktop boards that people were putting into desktop systems. So these are three paths.

What do you think? Oh, and the last one. The last one. We get a new product segment that is super, super tightly integrated, not repairable at all, and is basically one board with everything soldered on it in order to keep costs as low as possible, but with very similar-ish performance.

to what we're getting with more expensive socketed solutions because removing all the sockets from a motherboard is like the quickest way to save a few bucks on it. Okay, where are we going? Four paths. Yeah, the last one. Dang it. I knew that. I was going to, honestly, if you gave me the first paths, I was just going to say, I'm going to go a different route and I think it's going to be this other thing. And then I had forgotten what my like, what my punchline was going to be. And then I remembered it the last second. Yeah. You know what's funny too? I remember sitting in that bedroom doing the WAN show back at the Langley House and it being like round two or round three of rumors that Intel is moving away from Sockets on their next upcoming platform and us sitting there going, oh, it'll never happen.

integrated graphics will never be good enough, and people will always want the choice and the repairability, and that... I no longer believe that. I've lost a lot more faith in people being able to... Boycott. Or vote with their wallets. Not buy things that actively are against them,

because they don't seem to care at all. Like the general consumer doesn't seem to even sort of mind. So I've given up on that. You know, like, micro transactions and pre-orders and subscribing to services for things like games where you could just buy it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. People are just more than happy to jump on those things. I mean, we're seeing the problem with physical games right now. Everyone's freaking out because physical games are going away. But it's very loud.

I doubt purchases for physical games are really increasing that much. I'm sure some people are because they want to hold them because they know they can. resell them. That's a completely separate thing. But people actually buying physical games because they want to because they think it's neat, I'm sure is not really increasing. So like, yeah, I feel like, oh, that's probably... Foo.

Still good. Is that why they're here? I didn't notice them before the show much. It was closed before. Yeah, maybe it's my much. I don't know. Yeah. consumer readiness for this type of thing

I think is a bit higher than normal right now and economic factors are always like the final bomb and realistically you can you can want to be as much as like a conscientious consumer as you want good intentions but it doesn't matter if he can't afford the thing so

I don't know so PC market tale of two kingdoms and we're probably headed towards a mainstream platform that is far more integrated, but unlike these very integrated platforms that we have today, you know, things like laptops. It'll be, instead of like highly-binned, you know, mobile silicon that's optimized for performance and, of course, power efficiency, we'll be just getting like cheaper silicon, but that's just on very, very integrated platforms so that they can bring the cost down. is it would be the best prediction that I could make.

By best, I mean, like, in terms of accuracy, not in terms of a desirable outcome. But hey, here's something cool. After years of work, a project to 100% decompile golden-eye-O-7 for Nintendo 64 has been completed. Decompiling means reverse engineering the game's compiled code back into a form that could be understood, modified,

and then rebuilt to run on different hardware without having to emulate the original N64 hardware that it ran on. This completed decompiling opens the door for ports and mods with one report mentioning porting the game to Dreamcast. That is the most because I can energy thing that I've encountered today

and I shadow boxed with a robot. You shadowboxed with a robot? With a robot? I did. Why? For an Instagram reel that Sammy wanted me to record. Did it hurt? It was shadow boxing.

There was no contact. You never know. It could have hurt, though. Yeah. Like, it wasn't a big one. It was like, it was like my height. But equal size? But they've got some weight to them.

Like, they're made a medal and stuff. So, yeah, they, if you get hit by it, it could legitimately hurt. It's such a random tangent. Okay. Our discussion question here, where does the line between preserving an old game and changing it into something new get crossed? And is that something that you feel is good or is it something that you feel is a problem in any way? I feel like we've had this conversation like a thousand times. I think Golden Eye at this point is abandoned where.

Is it not effectively? It wins the last time they did anything with Golden Eye officially. I think it's stuck in an IP hell from my understanding of it. Yeah, okay. So maybe not the tech. term of abandoned wear because I think that is actually a technical term. But like they're not doing anything with it. I don't think you can officially buy it for anything that realistically is modern that you can play it on.

So I don't care at all. Rip it apart. Decompile it. Get it running on Dreamcasts, I guess. Get it running on other stuff as well. Do you plan to play? Would you play it? Would you play Golden Eye for PC?

Like going back to it, I got to say. It's kind of rough. It's really rough. That's a game that didn't necessarily age super well. I actually... As someone who loved Golden Eye, to be very clear. Me too. Yeah.

So I didn't own it. I didn't have an N64, but I had a friend who had it. And when I would go over, like, I would have fun and I would, like, do the missions and stuff. And I went back and I tried to play it again. I think it must have been within the last year or so as part of, like, an emulation video or something. And I was like, the fuck is this?

how these are the worst controls I've ever seen this is so unintuitive this is so unnatural I I just didn't understand how to even use it I couldn't hit anything and like I remember like I actually can remember like shooting guys from far away in golden eyes so I don't so so if I could play the game on on keyboard and mouse like controllers that are not complete butt I think I'd be down like it had it had good vibes. It was cool. The music

is obviously awesome and Pierce Brosnan underrated 007. Underrated, do you think? Yeah. Interesting. He gets some flack for being like to camp and like not serious enough. And honestly I think that's a huge part of what made him awesome.

Huh. And James Bond, it's been a while but I think I must have been in my late teens or early 20s. I went through and I watched them all. And I pretty much came to love a little something about just about every bond. But, and I didn't even pick out Pierce Brosnan as a favorite until I just saw how much shit people talk about him. And I was like, what are you talking about?

That's so unfair. I never knew this was a thing. I think, I think he's awesome. I think he's, I think he was a great 007. I liked the modern 007 video game so much that I think if I was able to choose between a content DLC for that or playing

GoldenEye but on PC, I think I'd rather play the content DLC for the new one. I mean that's fair enough. It's a great game. This is an interesting fact. Case Wildcat says more people have walked on the moon than Ben James Bond.

Okay. That is quite the feather to put in your cap if your name is Sean Connery or Pierce Brosnan or Daniel Craig or whoever else All right

That's it That's very cool Yeah All right it's time to do our CW announcements And guys this is an exciting one We have nothing to launch today Sorry

JK it's actually a huge launch Yeah I was gonna be like wait at any given time the CW team has I kid you not anywhere from dozens to even hundreds of skews in development that means we are constantly making room

for the next wave of awesome stuff and we're gonna do that with the power outlet the power outlet do you want to fire it up it is the power outlet gives us the way there you go click it click it click it click it last chance once it's gone it's gone the power outlet

This is a way to keep perfectly good products out of landfills while giving you guys some ridiculous good deals on products that you already know and love. You can think of the power outlet as your last chance to grab these products before they are gone, gone, gone. The plan is to add new items every month with prices that are going to make me question some of our business decisions. So check it out at lmg.g.g.g slash outlet.

And if you see something you want, don't wait, because once it is gone, it is gone for good. B for 21 bucks? These are basically my understanding $10 shirt. My understanding is that pricing will just go down until things are gone.

So don't hesitate if you see a deal that you think is pretty good. And please, for the love of all it is good, load up a cart and maybe put something full price in it too because we are definitely not making money on that stuff. CW announcement number two.

We have a big launch on the horizon. The nuclear driver is going live in just one week. We teased it at open sauce last month and we're almost ready to unleash it. upon the general public. If you haven't signed up yet, do you want to show people

how to do the thing? I think, yeah, right there. Bottom left of the website, do the thing, and the discount works on nuclear driver or literally anything else you want to buy. So maybe sign up because you can get some discount.

I try to get Minecraft working. I think it's a no. Oh, really? Oh. Talk up. What's wrong with Minecraft? Insalling Minecraft is such an oddly difficult problem. Anything like first-party Microsoft

is just harder. than it needs to be, and I don't know why. Yeah. I download it from the website. And it takes so long. That installer was like, no. And it like throbbed a warning at me. That was like, you have to update Windows for me to install.

And I was like, okay, well, I'm not doing that during the show. So I went to the Microsoft store and tried to install it that way. And that worked, except when I try to launch the game, it just errors. So I think I have to update Windows, but I can pretty much guarantee you. So it has some dysfunction, you might say? Yeah, it can't launch. But I can pretty much guarantee you if I can install Steam just fine, install some random game off there just fine, it would work just fine.

Maybe what we could do is until Microsoft cleans up their act, we'll send them to a penile colony. It's having performance anxiety. Oh, right. After I talked about the store, I was supposed to explain comms. So we don't do Twitch bids or superchats. Instead, we do checkout messages or comms. So if you're going to pick something up from the power outlet or, hey, any of our,

shoot, what did we call the collection we launched last week? I forget, but, okay, he's going with something from the power outlet. Fine, just by discount. No, just by discount apparel. Don't buy anything at a price where we can actually make any money. That's fine. Who cares? Ah, foundation collection.

There you go. So you can pick up something from the store. and while we're live, you will see this field to send a checkout message. That's right. If you're going to throw money at your screen, we feel you should get high quality apparel and merchandise in return instead of just maybe somebody online noticing you. So you fill this out, pick whatever color you want, decide if you want to be anonymous or show your first and last initial. And then producer Dan. Erectile dysfunction. Okay, thank you for that.

reply to your message, kind of like that reply that you guys saw up there, or we'll just show a shout out or whatever else on screen, or will curate your message for me and Luke to respond to. Dan, do you want to show them what a couple of curated ones looks like? Yeah, we've got lots today. Lots of really good questions coming in. Oh, that actually makes sense because of the... Because you guys are all deal hunters and you'd hate for us to be profitable on the store.

No, they're just asking really good questions this week, so thank you. I'm just bugging them. You know what? When I say that, when I'm just like, hey, can you guys please, like, pick up something else to actually a shocking amount of especially the WAN show viewers are like, okay, Linus. You guys are legitimately very supportive. We appreciate you. All right, go ahead. It looks like Tristan here did not spend a lot of money, but they're not on sale.

Greetings, my parissocial friends. Need a replacement lids. Nice. Okay. Two of the spouts. Any updates on the world's brightest TV? I need some light in my life during these dark times. I thought that was such a great video and such a great project,

and it got like no views, and it was so much work. So I shouldn't say it got no views, but it got very few views for the how much work it was ratio, and we shelved any follow-ups to it. I am so sorry. It actually pains me because I thought it was one of the coolest projects ever, and it just for whatever reason didn't resonate with a big chunk of the audience or didn't resonate with the algorithm or didn't something caused it to not really perform very well for us and one of our one of our

what are they called core principles core values one of our core values as a company is the audience is our guide so when the audience tells us hey we're not interested in this then we've got to pivot and we've got to find something that does excite the audience and that just wasn't it. And it really, man, it pains me when I see these kinds of comments because we've had a, we've had a number of videos in the last, well, ever actually. It happens all the time where it'll be getting like no views and I'll see someone's comment that's like, I really like this. And I'll just, I'll reply.

I'll just, I'll be in a mood. And I'll reply. I'll be like, okay, share it with all your friends then. Because otherwise we're not going to be able to do anything like this anymore because nobody's watching it. Not that share is even like a significant portion of YouTube viewership anymore. It's all algorithmic, which just depresses me. It drives me nuts, man.

How little of it is like true virality anymore. It's just algorithmic viral. Oh, my God. This is what he's busy doing. He's playing Minecraft in a browser because of course he is. Conrad linked it to me. What about Madonna? Playing Minecraft without a mouse sucks.

How do I even Oh wow You don't even have to hold click You can just click once Oh he's gonna have a mouse for me Nice Can I interest you in a Super Strike ProX too This is so unbalanced

We're gaming Oh my goodness I have dongles in there Yeah All right I gotcha I gotcha Incredible I also have this classic steel series

Mousepad That has been in my backpack for over 10 years. But it's awesome. It's... Because it's hard. Well, it's something now. It might be damaged at this point,

but it's a cool thing. And it never tracked that great because it's a little bit too glossy, but I assume it'll track better than this D-brand skin. Is that my problem? It's just not tracking it at all? There you go, brother.

No, that's not my problem. Oh, well, is the mouse off? Oh. Is blue not... It's my mouse not charged? I think it's not. I think you left it on in your bag. You know, you think it would have a safe

You'd think it would have a safeguard for that That would be kind of nice Shoot, I don't know if I have Anything I have one I can steal the laptop I have a wall power back Yeah, I could use the laptops power

No, no, no, you know what I have? I have the prototype LTT power bank Oh, and an LTT cable too, I'm assuming And this And this heavy true spec cable that I would

never actually recommend for mousing purposes. Oh, I had to do that for a little while, and it was not fun. Yeah, it's not actually the best. Okay, so... Oh, wow, this is terrible. Yeah, but it should charge real quick. Part of the problem is that it was on top of the other cables, Dan. Oh, my gosh.

So it was lifting up the front of the mouse. Okay, how you doing? How you doing over there? This kind of sucks. Are we back in action? Wait, wait, what's happening? Wait. What?

Did you just respond somewhere else in time? Yeah, I think if I press R, I just, respawn. Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense. But it's stuck like placing things down? Terrific. I'm going to have to learn how to Minecraft. No better time.

How about another one for you? All right, hit me, Dan. Sure. Gentlemen, it is with great disappointment that I announced that my employer has decided to switch from WebEx to Teams. I have never used Teams. What can I expect? Also, I love the true spec

cables. I would normally feel super bad for you, but you're switching from WebEx? that's fair enough. I mean, what the hell is WebEx? Does Cisco still own it? This is my first real job. Last I messed with it,

Cisco still owned it. I don't think I've seen anybody send me a WebEx link probably since COVID. As Microsoft Team's number one hater, you might have just got an upgrade. Ah, I don't know. WebEx was really annoying.

What happened to Zoom? Speaking of COVID. Do they, still exist? Pretty much every invite I get now is for Google or Microsoft and that's it. Do people still use Zoom?

I haven't heard of Zoom. Zoom is still pretty big. Yeah, with who though? That is interesting. I don't agree with you. I haven't received a Zoom invite in forever. Like is this just one of those things where like the entire construction industry or like the entire medical industry

uses it or something like that? You know how you'll end up with these little pockets where, you know, a couple of people like us who work mostly with tech companies are like Teams, G Suite. Yes, the only thing that exists is Slack Teams and G Suite and also whenever I chat with people personally, it's it's always on Discord. Doesn't everybody use Discord? And people are like, no.

Like, I talked to other parents at the school and they're like, what's a Discord? Oh, that's that thing my kids use. Like, it's not, like, it's not a platform for adults in the real world that I have encountered. Both my parents are on Discord. But they live in your weird pocket, though, is what I'm trying to say, right? So maybe, yeah, maybe WebEx is still huge in the, you know, scientific community. I don't know. Super Miller says Zoom is still really useful these days if you have participants outside of your org.

Okay, that's fair enough. Emerging markets, fascinating. We switch from teams to Zoom for meetings. Okay, yeah. there's a lot of there's a lot of teams to zoom for meeting zoom is big in design engineering their government platform is cheap for startups fascinating yeah there you go oh churches my church meets on zoom okay says andre b telehealth uses it yeah there you go i mean so right i think one of the things that they're good at one of the things that they're good at is the like huge amounts of clients connected

at once thing. So churches, I could understand. Makes a ton of sense. Telehealth, I would have expected that to be Teams, to be honest. It's really quick and easy to join. Their web thing, I think, I think Teams' is really good now, but it wasn't for a long time. It wasn't for a long time. And Zoom's was just click and, yes, my microphone, yes, my camera, okay, you're good to go. That was the biggest advantage I think Zoom had over WebEx? Is that with a... Yeah.

Because WebEx is annoying. You had to install local software every time. I don't think you have to do that with Zoom? No. Yeah. You can, and it's a better experience, but you don't have to. Yeah. Court cases in the U.S. use Zoom.

Okay, so Zoom is still around. But WebEx is like, got to be dying. I used to get WebEx invites all the time, and I don't think I've seen it in years. All right. I remember that being like a thing, though. time I would get in, I would be on a new computer for whatever reason. It would be like, oh man, the first time I get invited to a WebEx call, time to be slightly late to it. Yeah, time to be two minutes late.

100%. S.K. Heinex is apparently just plumb out of replacement SSDs for warranties. So they are giving some of their warranty customers refunds instead, which I mean would be fine if what we were talking about was like a no lemons policy for a car or something like that. But that isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about S.K. Heinex saying that the refund will be the lower value between the purchase price and the product's current fair market value. That's pretty rough, given the way that SSD prices have skyrocketed.

It's going to be the purchase price. So depending on when you bought your SSD, you might not get enough money back to buy anything today. Oh, this is wonderful. Our notes here say, probably won't. Line is comment. Pretty crummy. So here's the conversation that I wanted to have around this,

because obviously they were able to build a flash drive for the cost that they originally sold that one for at some point, right? Like the actual materials cost at some point was such that they could make that drive, and sell it at that price. Now, that's not the way that commodities are priced. Commodities are priced according to the market. And DRAM, NAND, and it's kind of a funny thing because it kind of feels like they shouldn't be. There's only like a handful of companies that make both of them in the world.

And yet we treat them like, you know, oars that you can just pull out of the ground. But they trade on the, they trade like commodities. And so they're priced like commodities. So on the one hand, obviously they can make this at a price that they could give it to the customer. On the other hand, the customer is kind of asking for a thing that costs way, way, way more to replace their thing that cost way, way, way less. And from a like evil corporate standpoint, they could go, well, you know, how could we possibly justify that? I'm trying to understand other than that, other than the just like, because I don't want to. is there any justification that you can imagine for this like well I'll just give you a refund because like I can tell you LTT store has in some cases offered people a refund because it was not feasible for some reason or another to replace it like if we are completely out of stock for instance or we might offer a similar product if they reject it we might give them in that case I think it's got to be similar product so then how much would an SSD have to be worth for you to say okay

S.K. Heinex, you're off the hook that is impossible for you guys to justify from a business standpoint. What if an SSD was worth a hundred times today? Like, what if, okay, how about this? Okay, here. Forget the, forget the worth. Actually, I don't think your warranty gets to be based on... Let's go at it from a different angle. Could they justify it if they already... No, there's no, there's no justification. If I bought a thing...

Yeah. And I have a warranty on it, and you want to honor your warranty. You have to give me the thing. Because I was going to say, okay, well, what if, what if they had already sold all of them for 2027, which they allegedly have? But then they should retain some for warranty coverage. Like, there's just, there's just no way, there's no justification other than fuck you, I don't want to.

Yeah. For not fulfilling a warranty claim. And like their, their employees are making way more now and stuff like that, but their employees are making way more as far as my understanding goes, because it's based on like a profit agreement thing. Yeah. So this isn't, it's not like, oh God, we can't pay our employees now. That can't be your argument because, by the way, your water is infested by flies at this

point. Go ahead. Oh, yeah, I almost should have just closed it on them. No. That's yuckier. So, yeah, I mean, I don't, we've talked before about, like, a warranty is basically only as strong as a company's desire to enforce it. These are big long-term companies that probably do still care about their reputation in that regard.

No, it really doesn't seem like it. Yeah. It was nice of you to... Are these consumer clients? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that makes sense. Burn them, I guess.

Yikes. Yeah. The way of Micron. I feel extremely validated, though. Why? Because I called this years ago. The whole warranties are only as good as companies' willingness to uphold them. A written warranty, if you have...

actually read it is just a legal document that says we don't actually have to do anything. We could, and here are the terms of sort of generally how we might. It's also like an in English form of like we look like complete pieces of, I can't press the button easily right now. Poo pooh-poo from bum bum. Yeah, pooh from bum. We look like complete pieces of poo from bum bum if we don't follow this thing up. And it's like an automatic in-writing reputation ruiner for most companies.

So it's still something for them to hold over you, even if you don't technically have to enforce it. I mean, there are places where that's not true. My understanding is that Australia actually has a court system. Real warranties? That enforces companies' obligation towards consumers. But on the continent that we're on, for the most part, if a company is just like, no.

there's not really a ton that you can do without going to way more work than it probably is worth. And it's a really frustrating thing and it really sucks. But I don't really have a great solution to this. Like, what are you supposed to do? Just don't buy an SK-Hinex SSD next time. I mean, I guess so. But how many times? they're not the only ones that have been doing this.

I was just going to say that it's also unlikely. The market is so small. What do they call it where it's like an effective monopoly? Because there's like two companies and they're super and cohorts. De facto monopoly? Oligopoly is just a monopoly that's more than one. So you got your monopoly, your duopoly, your, I don't know if there's a triopoly, but oligopoly would just be multiple, like multiple entities technically.

but they behave in an anti-consumer, antitrust fashion. Isn't that what the WAN show's been doing? Not the WAN show. Yes. Yes, we are part of the tech podcast, oligopoly. Controlling the rates of podcast sponsorships. I got that stuck in my head because I'm trying to write, I'm really bad at this, but I'm trying to write WAN in Stone on the beach.

You are bad at it. Yeah. That's trash. Yeah. Good effort, though. No. Anyways. But hasn't that been true about RAM for like ever?

They're all in cohorts with each other. They have been caught. All that fun stuff? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. The RAM is, the RAM cartel has behaved like an oligopoly at multiple points in the past. Yes. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, yeah. So it's just, it's more than, because mono means one. And then doopoly, right, is two for do, die. And then olig, all of whatever, it means multiple. Many, yeah, sure. So that's why they're oligarchs, oligopolis. Many garks. Yeah, instead of a monarch, oligarch.

Oh. Yeah. Okay. Okay, we got there. So the G at the end is part of the plural word? I guess. I guess so. Yeah.

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Interesting. Yeah, so S.K. Heinex. I, my discussion question for this was, like, is there any justification other than you, I don't want to, that we could come up with. And I just don't think I can find a single parallel. It's just plain, fuck you, I don't want to. I wouldn't be surprised if their supplier prices have gone up a bit.

Oh, no doubt. They have. 100% they have. But you can also look at their profit and just understand that it doesn't really matter that much. And that they could definitely afford to give you an SSD. Yeah, yeah, like with no problem whatsoever. Yes. Yeah.

So, therefore, I don't care. But then, you know, it comes back to what are you supposed to do? Like, not buy from them next time? I mean, Micron's fine enough with that. They pulled completely out of the consumer market altogether. Like, yeah, well, whatever. Why don't we jump into our next topic here? C-Sonic has reached a new level of efficiency

that I had never heard of. The Prime Enterprise RX-1600 power supply is the first to reach 80-plus Ruby. Ruby. When did Ruby? become higher than platinum. I have no idea. Titanium.

What happened with this? I think when 80 plus needed another thing. But here's the thing that I find very confusing. Ruby is not a metal. See, we have the same issue with YouTube play buttons. Okay, we got the silver play button, the gold play button. The diamond play button was like, okay, fuck it, no more metal. You know, there are metals.

You know where they probably got the idea for that from? There are metals that cost more than gold. Minecraft. Oh, no. Diamond? And then Ruby. You know that the, that PewDie Piedi got the Ruby one back in the day, right? I think there's more Ruby ones now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it really, yeah, like, Raiden 428 says 80 plus uranium. Yeah, like, why didn't we... Okay, maybe nobody would want uranium branding on their powers. I think that would raise a lot of questions. Thank you for that, Dan. your your a hole is not big enough I need a

I needed a bigger a hole it just looks like an M yeah or or three legs depending on what you're trying to make here I could make it taller maybe but I didn't I didn't necessarily want to I could also peak the middle

anyway this certification not only increases the efficiency requirement at 50% load, but also extends the efficiency targets all the way down to 85% at a 5% load. That is crazy, but also very important because a 1600 watt system, like if it was actually consuming all the power that that power supply could provide, would very often only be drawing like, I don't know, 75, 100 watts if it was idle. so if it's operating extremely inefficiently at very low loads

then you can actually end up wasting more power that way than by just buying a more sensibly sized power supply in the first place anyway very cool congratulations C-Sonic and moving on can I help you this is like dude I've played Minecraft like twice I think I could do this better than you this is sad

yeah I don't know what's going on to be honest yeah this is bad Yeah, that If we didn't tell the people what it was I don't think they would know I think as of right now You can't figure it out It's a turtle throwing up

It's a It's uh It's It It It's It kind of looks like it too Especially if I do this

Yeah Projectile kind of looks like an ogopogo someone said use stairs the problem is it's stuck in like admin mode or something or creative mode I don't know how to double tap space then you could probably fly around oh wow you can't even do that

no so I can't fly but I also only have these as my building options uh press e yeah I really don't know if that's your issue Luke because you can put down as many blocks as you want and that's how you put them down playing Minecraft it's a turtle puking

Remember that Minecraft is a core part of the show today, just to prove my YouTube rep wrong. Or right. How's that going so far, by the way, Dan? I have not been watching any of the viewers. It's Minecraft Classic. Creative is the only mode. 5,400 concurrent. Okay, so basically exactly the same as a normal week then. So, okay.

They were wrong. Yeah. I know, I know. What is happening? What am I witnessing right now? I'm so surprised. What is this? Can I just eject?

What just happened? Is there another one? I can just create steves. Oh, look, it's hero brine in the flesh. We need more, we need more Wancho viewers. There, look at all the Wancho viewers. They got no neck. Why do they have no neck?

What are they doing? Why can they not screw them? They're best. They're here to fix the WAN. Yeah. So, um, this is great content, everybody. Yeah, this is peak. I feel like we should probably move on.

Viewership has not stopped going up, though. PJM interconnection. The power grid operator for people across 13 states and Washington, D.C., says it needs about 6.8 gigawatts more guaranteed power capacity to have the safety cushion that it wants for periods of extreme demand. It is proposing, and this is great, to cut, power to big data centers first during emergencies rather than risk broader outages. New facilities over 50 megawatts could face early shot-offs unless they provide their own power generation, which puts the burden of AI's power appetite on data center operators themselves.

This is the kind of common sense, hey, I know that the way that we did it in the past was that data centers were treated like critical infrastructure and would be the Like literally every data center tour that I've done, like with someone like Equinix, for instance, every time I talk about the diesel backups, they say just unprompted, they say how long they can run on diesel backup, and they talk about how, in the event that there is an extended power outage,

how they are on the same tier as like hospitals for getting resupplied with more diesel fuel. Because of how essential cloud services and internet connectivity are, to things like emergency responders. They might literally be like, we just talked about how the hospital might be using Zoom or whatever for their calls.

Like, they do lean on these types of services. There are actual life and death consequences of losing power to a data center. That is, if the data center is running critical infrastructure. But if it's running a vanity project so that one billionaire can boast to another billionaire that they have far more GPUs megawatts deployed than the other billionaire, then that feels a little less important than, say, a hospital.

So it's really nice to see that finally we're... I might counter slightly. Okay, this is going to be unpopular. I'm not saying in a way that I necessarily agree with, but we do know that, like, if you're looking at a nation and how a nation might want to prioritize things, the U.S. government is very open about their use of AI for the military. And if you look at how the U.S. prioritizes spending on things,

I feel like they'd be pretty down to prop up a data center that might be hosting AI tools for the military. Sure, I think that's fair enough. Some AI stuff probably is running essential infrastructure that are essential to national security or, you know, whatever, right? There's a quote from YouTube that came out recently saying, that 95% of, and I don't know how they even know this, so this feels like an incorrect, you know, made up stat thing, just like most stats, but 95% of creators are using generative AI somewhere

in their creative process. There's apparently over 35% of new websites being published right now are just straight vibe coded. I skimmed that article. So it might be that there was AI used in the creation of those websites, instead of them being straight vibe. coded, but it was something to do with 35% there. 13%? No, I'm pretty sure it's at 35. So we might be reading different things. So a lot of AI stuff is probably actually essential, but a lot of it seems to be powering things like what I just sent to Dan.

Okay, they should all be clear. Yep, this should be good to go. This is the kind of thing that just makes me completely lose hope, who loses, any hope that big tech can ever follow through on the promised future that they keep promising us is now. I bring this up all the freaking time because it just grinds my gears to see them promised stuff that is just clearly so far away in the future from actually working properly. Remember that, remember the one, you know, the Google keynote where they were like, and now you know, book an appointment or whatever.

It'll book an appointment for you and it'll just put it on your calendar and then you'll just get a notification when it's time to go. They still can't handle with 100% reliability, setting a stupid timer or alarm, and this is still a... Thanks to fucking you, or same to you, as it... It's a... Happy birthday? These are my auto responses. This is across multiple platforms owned by Meta and Google. Brian, electrician.

Thanks, thanks without an exclamation. And happy birthday. Why would I be responsible? There's a one in 365 chance. You know, I bet you... That happy birthday is an appropriate response to somebody who wishes you, happy birthday. Do you think it might be because it's trained on, like, group chats? Oh, interesting.

I'm trying to figure out why it would do that. But where's the human sanity check? Oh, there just probably isn't one. I just, but like, where's the part where a Google exec is like, oh, hey, that's probably not right? I should send a quick ping to the team that works on this. How has this been a problem? This has been, oh, my God. at Zeme

it has been a problem long enough that there's an entire Wikipedia article for it wait what no yeah no no no no no this is a completely different thing completely different no get that out of here okay but this has been a problem

for long enough that people have been meming on this for years how has nobody just gone hey um clawed code fix it it just shows me

that they're just, they're constant, and it's this pattern we see. They're constantly moving from whatever shiny thing is next to the shiny thing that is after it, and they never finish the shiny thing that is supposed to be done and polished. These auto replies still

give just obviously stupid, broken suggestions that make no sense because the incentives are not correct for actually finishing anything, that's that is my TED talk thank you for coming to it yeah i mean i think it's fair i also think they must have somebody on the inside figuring out that auto responses will not sell phones um but having a really really great experience with my phone might prompt me to buy another one in but that might be a difficult thing to measure and if it doesn't show up in some sheet somewhere then it just might not matter

that's my guess at zim says the birthday paradox is the counterintuitive fact that only 23 people are needed for the probability of it to be greater than 50%

that two of them have the same birthday I guess well yeah but it's just completely it's a slightly different thing because I am only one of the 23 people and so the odds are

different of one of those people having the same birthday as me it's the odds of one of them having the same birthday as each other. So it's definitely a slim chance if someone says happy birthday to me that it is an appropriate response for me to say happy birthday back to them.

It is, if 23 people messaged me, it would not be a 50% shot that I'm going to get it right on one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were explaining the Wikipedia article because they were the one that sent it. But it's just, it's a different thing. I get it.

okay okay yes there's leap days anywho love to see a little bit of common sense coming back into this our discussion question should AI companies be expected to invest in new local power infrastructure before they are allowed to build large data centers

honestly like yeah at the scale at which they're building I don't really understand why they shouldn't be. I mean, it's not like there's no precedent for it. I know that some crypto mining operations, there was one in BC that actually bought an old hydroelectric dam. And that was where they set up their operation.

And that was like the only way they were able to get enough powers. And that's happened a bunch of crypto mining, which like the spirit of crypto mining is very, very alive in this like current AI data center landscape, including there are some crypto miners flipping over to renting out their mining rigs as AI inference rigs. Like, it's actually happening. It is a little bit different because before you would just put your compute into, like, a pool,

or people could rent your compute for, like, really any amount of time. And if your service went down, like, who cares? Now it actually kind of needs to stay up. So there's like, it's more... So guys like Eaton are making bank. It's, yeah, there's more, there's more, there's more infrastructure going into being able to actually promise that your stuff will stay online and reputation of different hosts and blah blah blah blah blah but it's the it's the same type of thing

that's happening which is interesting it's harder to get into it's more complicated it's more reputation based it costs more but it's the same kind of deal remember when that little tiny data center property and like white rock came up and i was like look i should buy it it's like really small but like whatever it'd be data centers they're the future it seems so silly back then and we could put our ISP there now and maybe rent you'd be styling if you had it now oh went and bought a badminton club some idiot but hey i couldn't go play badminton at my ai data center tonight so you know what i'm actually okay with it all right we should probably jump into our sponsors the show is brought you today by square space have you ever seen all those cars backed up on the 405 and thought to yourself gee i wish i could

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But that's not the only things we have up on floatplane right now. We also have the Linus Media Group rebranding reaction and set up video. Oh, I'm supposed to click the link. Mm-hmm. Hold on, I'm working on it. Can I help you, Luke? I'm working. Mm-hmm.

Luke, are you not able to rotate a cow in your mind? I'm concerned. Don't worry about it. I'm concerned that it's empty in there. So there's the vlog. where they rebranded the building. That's in here. We also have my friends roast me for my birthday.

And then also the live stream Vod. So those are all the things from Linus Week. What else do we have? And if you're subscribed to Float Plain by the end of the week, oh, cool. You can grab this exclusive Linus Week badge made by Victor from the design team. Oh, look at that.

That's cute. I love it. Terrific. Thank you for that, Victor. We also made it into a shirt. in collaboration with Ashley, who's also on the design team, and this is actually amazing. Want to see the shirt Ashley made me?

Hold on. It's linked to the timestamp. Oh, it's not linked to the timestamp. Dang it, Sammy. I blame Sammy. When did I change my shirt? Here. Hold on, wait for it.

Wait for it. Wait for it. Wait for it. Wait for it. Wait for it. Wait for it. Wow. It was a long stream.

There it is. So it has that on the back, and then it just says, Oh, did I ever actually stand up and show the front? Classic. Yeah, I held it up earlier. There it is. I love that.

I'm 40. I love the Linus face. I kind of wish we had a shirt that was just that. Why? We don't need that. Why that face? I think it would be really funny. Is it a reference to something?

Why? Am I not online enough? Dan, you are definitely online enough. Anyway, while you're watching some of the amazing me theme, videos, let's do a couple of early releases. Oh, these are good videos. We put the newest CPU in the oldest motherboard. We put a current CPU in a 10-year-old motherboard and then compared it to, well, what if

you put it in like the current motherboard for it? Just to see if there is actually a disadvantage to running an AM4 chip on like a first generation AM4 board. Or if the promises of long-term platform support. actually held true. Really, really cool video. I'm going to go ahead and set that public right now. And then we've got another one to post for early access on float plane.

Custom water cooling for less than the price of a premium AIO. Okay, this was cool. This cost me less than this ROG AIO. Whoa. With this block for GPU cooling as well. I got a reservoir, pump, radiator, hardline tubing, fittings, CPU block, and GPU block. And based on the way that your tone is right now, I'm assuming that it wasn't even like horrible hardware. No.

Okay. But it did take a lot longer and was a lot more difficult than the beginner level of it would seem to, would have seemed to indicate. Okay. It was a pretty advanced build. Got it. Yeah. Are you just about done with whatever this is? No, I'm so far away.

What? I got, hold on, I got to, I'm dealing with limited resources here, okay? Like brain resources? Because you can only spend so much time playing this game while also attempting to appear to even be trying to help host a show or where we're at here. That's part of it. I need to fill up this area with like red. and the only red that I have are these like, I think they're supposed to be mushrooms. Uh-huh.

So I was like, okay, well, I'll try to put mushrooms in there, I guess. And then I didn't have like a, what the heck? Yeah. They all just disappeared for some reason. Yeah. It's totally stable. Oh, they can't grow on stone. Right.

Okay, well, I'll figure that out. But this is the closest I can get to white. so the sand is just supposed to be white and then I was going to make this area red and then I was going to make let's see here I was going to try to make this area up here like a light gray

and then this area that isn't built yet like a darker gray oh I see but none of the colors work so you're trying to make a Wanshow logo I mean we have one of those it's right here yeah I'm trying to make another one

right unk um okay maybe but I I guess you can't grow mushrooms on stone, so now I have to undo all of the stone. Right. We, we, okay, well, Dan, tell me this at least.

Like, is this working? Like, are, is there more views because Minecraft? Uh, the number has not stopped going up. Yeah. Really? Which is, it's not, it's not quite as, you know, Elon as last time, but it is not quite as Elon. Stonks, I assume.

Yeah. Tonks. I can go up. Um, but they have. hand. Ooh, okay. And he's gone. Wow.

Now he's back. That's pretty funny. That's what I call it now. Because it was really 45 degrees last time. Right. It's sort of starting to, you know, peter off. So 45 degrees is just now Elon? I call it Eloning, which is basically stonks.

Right. Yeah. Or, well, the other thing. Because you can't, you can't like do the motion that's not allowed. Yeah, I think I just won't. I actually would be more comfortable if I just didn't do that. motion. Yeah, so that kind of... I have been known to use the hard R from time to time, which of course... Well, I mean, family guy all the time, right? That was just like they did.

Yeah. Um, yep. For those who don't, do not get the reference, just in case there's any who don't, not that. I thought, I thought it meant a word for differently abled in a mental capacity. I didn't, I didn't know what it meant. Okay, that's all. That's all I have to say about that. Okay, cool. See you later, producer, Cam. Bye. Uh, why don't we jump right into Ubuntu? This blew my mind, and I do need Luke to pay attention for a minute here. I didn't understand this from the title. Canonical VP of Engineering, John Seeger, told the pragmatic engineer back in April that in a year, our growth on WSL, that growth in WSL numbers,

so that's like Linux on Windows, is significantly higher than the growth in desktop usage numbers, and he expects Ubuntu WSL users to outnumber native Linux users within months. But what, okay, so Linux on Windows. So that's Windows subsystem for Linux. Oh, wait. A Microsoft feature that lets you install a real Ubuntu environment inside Windows and then use it through the terminal app without dual booting or setting up a virtual machine.

So this growth seems to be mostly attributed to developers who were handed Windows laptops by their employers and then run Ubuntu through WSL for AI and machine learning work. So Windows ends up acting mostly as a launcher. That makes sense because I've heard very recently that there's a lot of developers switching to Linux because it's running AI workloads better, especially when it has to deal with your file systems and other things like that. as someone who's never used WSL though me neither okay I don't fully understand how Ubuntu pilled my laptop is

once I've done that I wish I could I have no idea okay in that case that's something that I'm just gonna have to maybe look up on my own time or maybe if chat wants to wants to jump in here like is it CLA does that does that just mean like is it basically emulated? WSL is very sad. So you can run like Docker and Kubernetes. Okay. It's kind of like a container. It's not the GUI though. It's just the command line. Yeah, people like it's basically a VM but not

quite. Yes, it's a VM under the hood hyper V. Okay. So that makes sense to me. Now we're speaking a language that I understand. Okay. So it's command line Ubuntu. Sure. Sweet. That sounds cool. So there's like a crazy increasing command line Ubuntu. And I think your theory would make sense of people with like work laptops where they can't necessarily just swap the operating Oh yeah, that's not my theory. Oh, yeah, that's not my theory. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, do you want to, do you want to make my Minecraft go away and I can try to install this? Try to install what? Ubuntu, CLA. I mean, yeah, sure. Apparently that's what Luke is doing on the show today. Framework is finally fixing

Framework finally fixing firmware fail writes Jordan, thank you for the alliteration in the title for this one. Investment disclosure, hey, convenient. Do you actually like that shirt? I've seen you wearing it, I think, a couple times now. It doesn't really seem like your style and I was surprised to see you choose it.

It was clean. Just say you like it. Classic Luke. Wow. Okay, it doesn't matter. I'll wear any garbage. The point is... No, I mean, it's not.

my, it's not my favorite format of shirt. He's right. That's more my preferred format of shirt. I actually really like that shirt. Yeah, okay. Yeah. After our recent WAN discussion on the Linogel Legion Go devices that were bricked by BIOS updates, viewers reached out to tell us about a similar issue that happened with Frameworks 13-inch AMD 7040 series laptop. Frameworks newsletter recommended updating to the latest BIOS, but some of those updates failed for some users bricking their devices. If users were out of warranty, the only solution that was offered by support was to buy a new motherboard. At least one user took matters into their own hands, managing to reflash the BIOS on their own with external programming tools, and they wrote

up an in-depth account of the process that they posted to the subreddit. I actually reached out to Narav to get the inside scoop. He confirmed the issue, but did say that it took some time for them to identify this trend that these brickings were being caused by the BIOS updates, and not by some user error or other, due to the... the relatively small number of impacted users. He then went on to lay out the actions, and this is way more important, that Framework is taking to address the problems.

So their RMA policies have been updated to account for failed BIOS updates. That's cool. Framework will offer free swaps for impacted customers, regardless of their warranty status. That is, as long as they can confirm that the issue is a failed update

to a stable release BIOS, not an alpha or beta one. And then, they're implementing a crisis recovery mode to make updates unbrickable. It's also available on the desktop Bios and we'll be rolling out for other products one at a time. A framework is in the process of actively reviewing past support cases to identify earlier

instances of the issue to make sure that retroactively people are properly supported. So they've fixed the policy going forward, they're working on the crisis recovery mode, and they're going back through their support cases to find people that were impacted before they made the process update. So that is pretty good. investment disclosure ended. Our discussion question, how do you think framework did here and is there a better way for companies to identify and act on emerging issues? I mean, man, you're never going to get it right 100% of the time.

Like even though our customer service team pretty much has a standing, like do the right thing order. Occasionally, you know, their judgment is not exactly what I would do or what I would consider to be the right thing. and occasionally you do legitimately have customers that are not acting in good faith and are just trying to abuse your lenient warranty policy in order to get free stuff. And threading that needle is not easy. And you're going to get it wrong sometimes. Overall, I'm not super impressed that they wanted people to buy a new thing that was bricked by someone following their instructions. but I am happy to see that they are taking accountability for it and they're moving forward rather than just offering them a refund for what that was worth back when RAM was cheap.

You know what I'm saying? So generally speaking, framework has upheld the values that I have expected from them and this seems to be a good example of them generally, mostly kind of figuring it out. I hope they continue to do so because they really are investment. disclosure, a breath of fresh air and otherwise constantly in shuffifying tech industry. I was fighting with Threat Locker

doing that, but yeah, in general, like, you just the whole idea that it's like, oh, well, it was a bios update and it broke it, so it's not our problem. It's crazy, and I don't I don't suppose that's why I'm happy. Yeah, it's like, who wrote the bios update? Yeah. Smart guy? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

What's the incentive here? So, yeah, it, you know, if they took care of it, then it sounds good. Here's a fun one. ChatGPT's MacOS desktop app has a new opt-in for now feature called computer history that turns your activity across apps and websites into a timeline. Sounds like recall. Why do you go straight to the punchline?

Every damn time, Mr. LaFrenier, either you're tuned out playing Minecraft. I hadn't read it yet. Or you go straight to the punchline. That's why I got to tune out more. I got to play more Minecraft. Then I wouldn't do that. Computer history turns your activity across apps and websites into a timeline that chat GPT and codex can recall and reference when you make a request. It can help you pick up tasks that you left half done, understand patterns and how you work, and suggest ways to turn repeated workflows into skills or automations.

Interestingly, it, for now, doesn't store screenshots like Windows Recall, instead uses interaction events. including clicks and typing, along with other contexts available through macOS's accessibility system, to create summaries of your activity. It is not described as continuously tracking mouse movements, or acting like a traditional key logger that records every key that you press, for now. In summary, computer histories opt in for now, and you can pause it, delete history, or exclude specific apps and websites, for now. And OpenAI also says that sensitive information can be excluded from history for now. It also

apparently automatically detects like an incognito window and doesn't record that for now. Discussion question here. Linus comment, I think our conversation here will revolve around ways that this can be ensh-shed in the future. So, I propose

AI-powered employee monitoring tool based on the data they collect from this. That seems like an obvious one. I don't think a mouse jiggler would defeat that. What else we got? You know what? Would defeat it is another agent controlling your computer from another computer.

So we're not even going to just have... Which already works. We won't have dead internet. We'll have dead computer theory. Yeah, both. AI agents monitoring dead employee theory. How long would you have to be dead before they sent someone to check on you if your AI agent was sitting there doing your work.

Get rid of them, Dan. They could check in at the right time. It could analyze your past history as an employee and know how late you usually are to things. So it could still be a couple minutes late. And then schedule the updates right at the most inconvenient time possible. And if your note taker was in the meeting, like the number of people that I end up in meetings with

who do not turn their mic on the entire time is mind-blowing. Yeah, a bunch. Like, it blows my mind. How many people are in attendance? And I'm not saying they're not, you know, they shouldn't be there, or they're not useful or whatever.

I'm just saying that they're in a meeting and they don't say a single word, the entire meeting. And I do wonder, for someone like that, if a semi-static image was there and they were, in the meeting, on time, how long they could actually be dead

before someone would notice. Probably quite a while. I wonder, you know, this is kind of sad. We might be able to have less repeat meetings if AIs were just taking the meetings instead of us. Man, I don't think so. I've gotten really annoyed with people who send me AI emails because it mostly doesn't happen that much for me.

At least the era of people like flexing about that. has ended. That was really awkward. Did you, did you receive a bunch of those? No. By the way, this cover letter, written with AI, showing that I am tech forward. It's like a bin.

Like crazy. What are you talking about? You think this is a flex that your cover letter was written by AI? It's not like a good thing. It doesn't make you look better. I'm gonna assume that they all have like some amount of AI influence in your writing, but like, you don't need to call it out and be like, I'm so cool because I used a free chatbot on the internet.

All right. All right. Anywho. Obviously, another one is opening the door to more invasive user data collection, right? Hey, now we're adding screenshots and AI analysis to help you find what you were working on or looking at. we've seen this so many times in the past where the first product gets absolutely dunked on, right?

Like Windows Recall. Or like remember the first time that Facebook tried to make Google Glass. ID mandatory. Yeah, Google Glass. We called them glassholes. Yep.

Because people were so against the idea of all these cameras being everywhere. And it's really not that different now. No, if anything. They're way, way creepier now because the camera quality is so much better now. So we've seen this so many times.

Horse armor would be another great example, microtransactions and games, ID requirements to use websites. Can you imagine proposing that in the first, you know, couple months of the WAN show? Mind-blowing. All the parents just wouldn't allow

the kids use the internet at all. People wouldn't have lost their minds. And now I came across a thread a little while ago that was like, yeah, basically any service online that, you know, doesn't require IDs is, is functionally unusable for me now. And I think we should just make that mandatory.

I just like, there's just these people like discussing this. It didn't seem like bots. And I can't always tell 100% because some of the bots are getting really good. But it really didn't seem like bots. It seemed like people actually discussing that they would rather all the services that they use online require ID because it would just be so much better. And you know what? There are certain things that just plain are better with real user variables.

verification. Facebook Marketplace is a perfect example where if somebody is not a real verifiable human with a human sounding name and plausible looking posting history, I want nothing to do with them. And like I do check that when I'm shopping on Facebook Marketplace. I do try to suss out like does this person seem real or not? I, you know, it's not because I think it's a really good idea for everybody to upload their ID to meta. But I won't buy anything from you on Facebook marketplace. There's also like, man, this is a bit of a tangent. I'm just being honest, but Wow, how unlike the WAN show. Stop! You cannot. Halt! You know, you ran into this problem when you're doing your vibe coding thing for the badminton challenge, where it's, the way that

it talks to you is like, what? Maybe that was just a bump? I don't think I did anything. I dinged accidentally, which is a huge faux pop. The way that it talks to you with, the glazing and with the kind of talking around subjects and saying words that's a really good point Luke you've thought about this so carefully I'm so glad that you we're not just making points we're redefining the concept of WAN Show it's not blank it's other blank uh like that type of writing it drives me nuts um when I'm trying to interact with it it drives me insane so there's been some ways that people have tried to get around it I think I might even talk about these on Wancho before. There's

the, what is it? A.S.T whatever. Aircraft, service manual writing guide. It'll come up. It'll come up. The ASD-S-D-S-E-100 simplified technical English. You can tell it like, talk like this.

Really? And it'll read this thing and then it will talk back to you in this way. And it's like, it's very objective. It uses simple language. None of the glazing, all that kind of stuff. But it is also super robotic.

I mean, sure. Which is fine. I don't really care that it's robot. Oh, that's great. I mean, it is a robot. It should probably talk like one. It's totally fine. So I've done a fair amount of like,

and all you have to do is like, write your responses using ASD, SDE, SDE 100. And then you just do your normal prompting like you normally would. you don't need to give it any more than that and it'll just all of its responses will use it and it's totally fine. There's another one that has come out recently which like almost,

I think I showed you that, didn't I? I saw it on the inner webs but you might have also shared it because it was like a big thing on the inner webs for a while there. There's another one that I got from a Theo video but I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it.

Ooh, I could find it this way. Hold on a second. This is funny. While you look for that, Ballster says, I actually had good luck with a skill called, I have ADHD. It reduces glazing a surprising amount. Really? I don't know why that would be, but okay. That's really random. There's another one that I saw some outputs from, and I liked it. So I started trying to use it. And then it, and I talked to Nick and Lucas about this yesterday, but then it started to kind of scare me.

Skills. Yeah, unslop. And this is like a skill that you can add to your cursor agent. Or, I mean, if you're using something else, just link it the URL and it can just read it and figure it out and just do it anyway. So it doesn't really matter. This is wild. And it seems pretty straightforward, right?

But it's just you're giving it all of this information. Then instead of manually training it over all. a long time to do this of like noticing a phrase or something that it says and be like, ah, I don't do that anymore, whatever. You can just point it at this thing and it does a lot of what you might tell it to do. So you might notice that it uses kind of a roundabout things to describe problems or actions. Okay, well, talk in plain speech, use less jargon, how to use filler, how to use style, don't use M-Dash, don't overuse colones. Wow, that's cool.

language practices, content, don't use puffery so much. Yeah, listing media outlets without context. Pick one, say what they said. That's the like, it has a problem of saying like, oh, I found this on whatever, but then you ask it for the link and it's not actually there. So you're getting it to like be more real about stuff. Or gives you a link to something else. The spooky thing about that is it's a lot more readable.

Right. it's way more readable like and we're getting into the realm of it's getting harder for me to notice it and that's where it's like oh damn like I was pointing out to Taryn the other day there was a website that had some really interesting information on it and I linked it to Taryn and I was like you know what's funny

and like it totally makes sense but this is a thousand percent of vibe-coded website and I can tell because of like how it's styled I don't need to look into the code or anything like that. You can just look at the website and just know. And there's been a few of these lately. The website is the looking website that ever web cited. And they're all basically info pages.

And they might have like some affiliate links or whatever. But they're basically just really good looking, but like modern web design generic. With the colors and the highlighting and like it's dark mode by default and like all these other little things like that. Nice. Nice. And it's, I was like, man, it's really, it's really interesting, but I can tell. And when are we going to cross that threshold?

The writing is getting further away from being able to tell. And to be clear, I still can't, I can still tell, like, if you try to tell it to write a script, it's still garbage. If you try to get it to do like really more advanced things, it's still not good at it. But if I'm, you know, jotting someone a quick email, it's getting a little bit harder to tell that it was written by an AI. It might still be worse. It might be whatever else.

but yeah. Do you remember that song I sent you last week? Would you have known that it was AI if I didn't tell you? If I listened to 100% of the song, yes, because... It just ends. It just ends, which is a bit of a common thing. Yes, but if you didn't. I don't know, because you're right.

I think you had a comment saying like, this is... I mean, it's super generic. Yep. And it does sound super generic, but generic, music sounds super generic. Mm-hmm. And it's pretty easy to make super generic things. So, like...

I didn't know. For the first time, I did not know. And I only discovered this song because Yvonne had it like in her playlist. And she had no idea. Um, and it's not something that I listened to super closely because it's just, it's just on. and it was a it was definitely a moment for me um because up until now it's like human voices whether it's singing or or like a speech or or acting or whatever like i've i've been i've been pretty easily able to tell no that's not a human voice this was certainly not obvious to me

I don't remember because I mean I'm not really into that type of music so I didn't exactly listen to it again but does it have like an auto tune style to it or something? Not really, no. Yeah. Anyway, the last thing that, you know what,

it doesn't really matter. We kind of pivoted off of our discussion question. We found a new discussion question. Oh, man, that like sort of glaze fixer. What was it? Unslop? Yeah. Because at first I was just looking for because that SCE thing was really interesting for me.

I was just looking for ways to make it better at communicating with me. Yeah, for sure. And because in my opinion, the glazing and stuff like that makes it less accurate. And I understand that it might increase usage scores and stuff on the company's side, like Open AI or Anthropic or whatever else. They might see usage scores go up. But for me, it makes me question the answer. are you just

is are you just doing this thing because you think I might want it so I've noticed sometimes like I might hand it something and I've even tested this where I'll work on something with it for a while and then it'll be like okay this is like perfect I'm like yeah I like it too and then I'll do a full new session where it has no context or history

and send it and they'll come up with a bunch of changes that I don't necessarily think are great and I think it's because if you ask it to like review something it's always going to try to come up with a change So it's like an executive. We've talked about this in context like that. We've talked about this in context of agencies as well, where like they want to insert changes so that they feel like they have some amount of input or control. Its job is to find something that it could improve.

So it's going to suggest a change basically no matter what. I ran into this in the vibe coding challenge too, where sometimes its job is just to cosplay a real person. Yep. So it was pretending to be a developer and telling me, yeah, let me work on that and get back to you, even though I wasn't working with an agentic AI and it had no capability of doing that. So if it's, if it thinks that what it's supposed to do is make a bunch of changes, then it might just, it might just do that, even though that's really not what you want. So it's like, I'm trying to get it to talk more simply, get out of the glazing stuff, be very objective, never post a thing. thing unless you have a citable reference that I can go to and match. And if I can't go to it and match it. Like if you link a citable reference and it's not what you said it was, I'll hammer on that

and like try to be like really, really stop doing fake work basically. And I've been in this, this phase of trying to find better ways for it to communicate. And I stumbled across this and I was happy about it. And then I got really, really scared. Because I was like, that was easy. That's, I think, the biggest problem is that's not a super, it's a list of things that people know that these things do all the time. That's in basically a text document. It's kind of shocking that they haven't monetized this. Like, just have it as a drop down. No, I mean the big guys.

Like, how is Open AI not just have a drop down, like the don't do fake work drop down. You know, like? Yeah, I genuinely think that might be bad. for their business. Just because people like the glazing so much. Yeah. And I think, honestly,

you might think that the thing is better if it's doing a bunch of fake work because it looks like it's doing stuff. I mean, this has been, even if you think back to like one of our first streams of trying it, we tried to calculate how many backpacks the trunk of something would hold. And it gave an answer and we were immediately like,

whoa! And then we figured out the answer was totally wrong. There's those teachers that are finding that students are not even reading through, through the output and submitting it as homework. This, I promise you, is happening in the workplace. So, like, they just want outputs that look real. Yeah.

That, like, or like, oh, man, the worst is presentation decks. Because they all look, like, the most generic presentation deck ever. They all look like, they, because here's the thing, you can't, it's like upscaling right like if you only started with my oh sorry oh wow are you good you're good yeah I'm great if you only started with

Minecraft pixels right you could you could guess at what a photo realistic that might look like but it's it's not going to be real it's never going to be real so if your presentation started with um my idea

is that we buy low and sell high, the AI is going to do a bunch of make work. It's going to turn it into an eight-page slide deck. But at the end of the day, that's all the information that's going to be in it. You can prompt it with find supporting evidence for this strategy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it's going to go and do that stuff, but the thesis is still going to be buy low, sell high. It can only be as good as your original prompt, as your original idea still. And so whenever I see this stuff, I'm just like, oh, God, why is this a half-hour call? Why don't you just say, buy low, sell high, AI says it's a good idea,

and we can all save our very real human, our very finite time on this planet that I still do mostly like being on. In other news, would you like to do a topic, or would you like to play Minecraft? I'm almost, my problem is I need so much, many different shades of gray, man. There's no options.

Okay. I need like a black. I don't have a black. And then I need multiple shades of gray. I mean, I guess I could have done this one over here. Well, I'm glad you're having fun. It's like fairly different. Apple has been ordered by Germany's federal cartel office to stop scaring iPhone and iPad users away from third party apps. They just closed a four-year investigation into app tracking transparency on Monday after Apple agreed to binding changes. The regulator's core finding was that third-party apps must get consent

through Apple's predefined tracking prompt, while Apple's own apps use their own separate prompt for personalized ads, and the wording, design, and options in Apple's version had the potential to encourage consent, while the third-party version had the potential to discourage it. Apple will now align the two prompts much more closely, removing possibly discouraging symbols and wording from the third-party version so that both are neutral in content, wording, and layout. Apple has four months to implement the changes,

and the commitments last seven years under an independent trustee. Developers also gain more flexibility to combine consent requests instead of stacking Apple's prompt on top of their own privacy pop-ups. A spokesperson said the company believes privacy is a fundamental human right and that the current design is compliant, and France already find Apple 100. 50 million euros over aspects of the same framework last year. So my note is the top comment on the Verge article absolutely nailed it.

Why exactly are we asking Apple to make both of them look neutral and or encouraging? Apple clearly knew what the right thing to do was. They used dark patterns, but like reverse dark patterns. So we'll call them light patterns to encourage their users to be more privacy conscious with third parties. and then they marketed that heavily. Look at us. Look at how Apple puts up a prompt and make sure that you know

the information and data that you're giving to advertisers. They knew the right thing to do and they knew how much their users would love it. So shouldn't they instead be updating their own data collection messages to encourage users to scrutinize them just like the third-party ones? instead of making the third-party ones sound less like you're giving away your data,

this whole thing just reminds me of this interaction that I had with Facebook a little while back, where I went, this is the proof once and for all that these guys know exactly what they're doing. Everything that they're doing, they know exactly what they're doing, it's completely intentional. I went to sign into my Facebook, and it was like, Hey, I popped up a notification or something Or there was some kind of prompt that was like, Hey, there's a new login from this device. Do you want to approve or deny?

And deny was in like bright blue. And approve was like harder to click. Because they know it's BS for sure. They know. They know how to get you to because they want you to deny a fraudulent login by default. They know how to get you to click on things. And so, yeah, Instead of taking what they know, which is that user privacy is important and applying it across the board, including to Apple, this is where Apple had a chance to actually practice the principles that they preach.

But instead, they did the usual Apple thing where they went, yeah, it's not convenient. And, well, oh, whoops. Well, that's interesting. So there's a fair bit to unpack here. It was a really good effort. It's lopsided, like, fine. I mean... It's a good thing you didn't put the two on the right and make them blue.

I think you should seek medical attention. Is it supposed to be shaped like a little mushroom cap? No, the mushrooms wouldn't grow. So the bottom of this one here, I guess, should be three instead of four. Same with that one, because they're both like, they just go out a little bit too far on that side. Yeah, that's the problem. They're both equally odd in that way, which is kind of cool. And then this side is just enormous.

In fairness to you, sort of, you know, you only had 80% of your attention on what you were doing in Minecraft. The other 20% was pretending to be co-hooked. posting a podcast. Yeah. You could fly the whole time and you didn't like zoom out once. One could argue what I've been doing in Minecraft has been more important. Oh, okay. I forgot I was supposed to be doing checkout messages.

There's like 50. I've just been watching you play Minecraft the whole time. Really? No, no, I'm joking. No, I'm joking. For crying out loud. You're so easy. One of us was working.

I guess. I meant you. Sorry. Sorry. What were you saying? Oh, for crying out loud, Dan. I'm going to put subway surfers on the other side next show. That's a great idea.

Anyway, in other news, are you back to this? Oh, yeah, you've got to fix it. Yeah, you do. I really don't think this is work. I think it is work. Ratings ran a 2017 LGGC7 against 19 OLED TVs from 2020 to 2020-23, playing simulated content at maximum SDR brightness for 10,000 hours,

which works out to about five hours a day for 10 years. Every single TV developed burn-in, and in similar ways, leading ratings to conclude that burn-in resistance hasn't advanced nearly as much as we think since 2017, maybe not at all. The content that they had on was continuous CNN footage with its static news ticker,

which is basically a worst-case scenario for permanent image retention. The 2023 models did average 28% brighter in small highlights, and over twice as bright full screen compared to the 2017 model while drawing 27% less power, needing just 95 watts to hit 100 nits instead of 130 watts on the old panel. So the takeaway from the data is that these brightness gains came instead of durability gains.

There are also software mitigation factors that these TVs may not have been allowed to use because we just had completely static content. Scrubbing and whatnot. The extra brightness seems to be the actual mitigation here because a modern OLED at 60, 80% brightness matches an older set running flat out, so you could run it gentler for the same picture and stress the panel less. Ratings does also stress that this was an extreme static content test, and typical mixed home viewing shouldn't produce anything like these results.

Our discussion question here is ratings asked whether manufacturers should have spent six years of OLED progress on durability instead of brightness. But I think the answer is kind of, it's right. right there in the results. They did. They just chose which side to take their points and allocate them to. And consumers have spoken and said they want brighter sets. We could easily, I mean, they could easily buy a modern TV, set it to 50, 60% brightness, and then have something that lasts for a really long time if they only run it in a dim room. I mean, I think that I'd rather have the choice. I'd rather

that the OLED manufacturers like LG display and Samsung I'd rather they give me the controls or I guess this would be no this would be the TV manufacturer so like your Sony's your LG electronics and Samsung

I'd rather they give me a bright display and then let me decide how bright to turn it up if I want to choose to have it last for a really long time I'd like to do that and it's not like they don't have eco modes and stuff out of the box like these are things that they do expose to the user these options however it is a bit of a downer

to see that, yeah, there is a reason that desktop monitors do still run quite a bit dimmer than TVs because they know that they're far more likely to encounter this kind of static imagery. And even though my monitor is supposedly a newer one that's... They basically guaranteed with start menus and stuff

on effectively every operating system. Even though my monitor is a newer one that should be less scary or whatever, I do still have all of my desktop elements hidden. When I was buying my OLED, I conferred with people that knew a lot about monitors or at least owned one and was informed that, you know,

the better ones do better with those types of problems and then did notice like a little bit of ghosting every once in a while when I would leave one thing up for a long time and was like, whoa, that's crazy that like all this advancement has happened and it's still there. Some of it's more temporary, but some of it is permanent.

Yeah. Kind of crazy. It's nice that ratings is doing stuff like this. I don't necessarily think it's going to change purchasing decisions, to be honest. It won't change mine. I don't know that I keep a TV for long enough to run it for five hours a day for 10 years. Five hours a day is a lot. They just don't get used that much in my household.

Some people do, though. I mean, we're seeing YouTube metrics and stuff, right? Like TV viewership is flying upwards. Oh, yeah. I assumed that was kind of fall off after COVID. But it doesn't, it just seems to be continuing. No. It's very interesting to me. I mean,

this was the one that is taking over from and people are kind of sick of this. Yeah. Like, I'm pretty tired to look at this thing. Is it largely Gen Z? I don't know the Gen Zs have been talking about like screw the phones. I don't know.

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and see why it's the cost-wise option that meets you at your level, no matter how short you are. Nice, I got two snorts. Matt Cole of Bejiz.com set up an SD card torture rig back in 2023 to put various cards through their paces and recently released an update to this project on R-slash Data Horder. Matt put together a list of his top and worst consumer-grade SD cards with Sandisk,

ultimately taking the dishonorable mention. and this is a really cool picture, by the way. Looks crazy, yeah. Yeah, how cool is that? All the SD cards. That's sweet. Just being tortured for science. Take that SD cards.

You know if you're going to be sadistic about something, it might as well be that. On Reddit, he wrote, Sandisk represents the single biggest brand in my collection. I have 28 of their cards in this category, with four more on the shelf waiting to be tested. It is telling that of those 28, only five are still going,

and one of them is in its death throws. especially when cards from so many other brands have far outlasted them. Many of them have died under circumstances that any other card would have handled just fine, a problem that I've written about on my blog before. They lasted an average of 384 days and 9,404 program verify race cycles are about 566 terabytes written. In contrast, as a surprise honorable mention, he's been impressed by the results from Amazon Basics cards.

I have four of the Amazon Basic 64 gigs and they're still going, all of them. They've been going for an average of 788 days and about 16,000 program verify race cycles. I've written about 4.2 petabytes to them in total. Honestly, didn't expect Amazon Basics to be one of the top performers when I bought them, and yet

here we are. It is worth noting, however, this is still a very small sample size. I wonder whose memory is in the Amazon Basic SD cards. If you got them all from the same batch, it could all be just randomly, luckily a good one. Yeah.

And it depends on the general market conditions. Like SD cards can end up with better flash at times when flash is cheap. Or they can end up with even more rubbish salvage flash when flash is really expensive and can be sold in other products. So I wouldn't draw too many conclusions here, but I would definitely say, hey, sandisk, that like doesn't seem that great. But also, it's worth noting, 9,000 program erase cycles. That's a lot.

Like, how many years would it take you? to reach 9,000 cycles on an SD card in your camera? At my current usage, I just never would. Yeah. In something like a dash cam, yeah, maybe this is a concern. There's, I mean, there's things that absolutely could be a concern there. I'm sure there's some people that rip through games really quickly on certain SD cards and certain devices. I mean, you're using SD cards for expansion in some amount of this.

Like, I don't think the Steam deck has one, does it? It does. It does as SD card expansion? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're using it in a lot of cases where it might get a ton of read, right,

especially where a Steam Deck could be used or an RG ally or whatever, could be used as an actual desktop itself. You're not overriding them that much, though, even in those applications, although they could be running really hot. It's not just games, though. That's true of cameras, too. Yeah, if you're doing like screen recording or something like that, like if you're streaming and screen capping.

Yeah, because if you're just downloading and installing games, you're right. I don't think you're going to cycle it that much. Some people will, but most won't. Sorry, did you say I'm right? Oh my God No The ding W-R-I-T-E

Because we're talking about SD card Endurance Get that out of here Oh my God Sorry I didn't notice you put that up on screen That's fantastic

Here you can I finished my My art piece I could make it better But I don't feel like it So there you go Yeah we believe you I switched the

Okay give me mouse back Big guy Give me a mouse back big guy Give me a mouse back. I know the only thing that's required still. I can do it. Give me that. I'll do it even slower with a touchpan.

I didn't close it. I still got the game. Our discussion question is from Pankrats. I wonder how OCCSD cards would have done if they had been put through a similar test. Yeah, I think that was about the most bottom of the barrel flash that was available. They were like given those things away for free at some points. All right.

Dan, I think that. That's it for the before dark. Should we switch over to after dark? Oh, were you going to give me my dongle? How dare you? Oh, no, I wasn't. Daniel Besser? We are switched over.

Wow, he was fast. I was keeping track. Well, you want some comms? Yeah, I'm trying to... What, did you just call them? Coms. Oh. Are they not called that anymore?

Did we change? it again. No, I thought you called them Kums. Wow. No. We changed them so that wasn't describing what people did when they saw my WAN logo in Minecraft. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm going to have to clean up after after WAN after dark. Oh, my goodness. Oh, come on. Okay, so I've been trying to install I've been trying to install this thing the whole time. Yeah, you can show it. And it was getting threat locker blocked. And then I think AJ finally saw it and gave me a little allow. So I got to install it, but changes will only be effective.

Oh, wait, until the system's rebooted. I dyslexied it. Am I good then? No, you dyslexia to add it again. Changes will not be effective. You may need to restart because I think we got rid of threat. So could we call this die-slexia? Two-two-slexia.

all the slipsia. Oh man. Yeah, so that's unfortunate. So I can't really show it off. But I mean, I'm interested in how that works. Cool. At the same time these days, just go over and use Linux. Well, I think that were...

Workplaces and work on. Yeah, workplace machines. Should, should, yeah. That's maybe a different conversation. More? Yeah. You had said that part of how VPN's print money is they have a lower bandwidth cost than you would expect.

People only use them sometimes. Does the rise in age verification laws change this? Oh, I do think there is some potential there, yeah. Especially people using their VPNs to stream video. With that said, I mean... I think a lot of, like, leaving your VPN on is honestly super annoying. I wonder how much of a benefit it is to the VPN. companies that the VPN IPs get flagged.

And that you constantly have to do like cloud flare bot verification. So then you're going to be like, oh, I don't need it for this thing and you'll turn it off. Like I wonder if that's literally a benefit for them because I hate leaving it on. I never want to leave it on. Yeah. And there's just annoying. There's dumb stuff. Like Android Auto doesn't work properly with your VPN enabled on your phone.

That's weird. It'll prompt you about it too. It'll be like, hey, you have your VPN on it. Oh, crap. You turn it off. That's funky. Yeah. I don't actually understand why.

I'm sure. I'm sure someone could explain it to me in like three seconds because I'm sure there's like some compelling reason for it. It's just I'm not really not really thought about it that much. Yeah. Hi, LLD. Happy belated birthday. I just celebrated my birthday yesterday also. Oh, happy birthday.

I recently was able to get my rose. See, it worked this one time. Thanks with no exclamation mark. I recently was able to get my Rose Will 4 V2. back. Question for all. Would you like to see cases like that

brought back? Was that the one that had all the 5 and a quarter inch bays? 4V2. Hold on. Let me see if I can find

this thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this thing was a monster. Absolute classic. Look at this thing. Okay. All right.

If you want to talk about that, let's talk about the... I think I'm okay with computer cases not being the size of a city anymore. Man, this thing was so

freaking styling. though. Hot damn. Oh, I saw one of these on like the subreddit or something. The flames on that one. This case was so dumb

that yo mama, look, I don't know where I'm going with this. The point is, it was so huge. It fit like nothing in it. The airflow honestly kind of sucked because there were no actual fans anywhere on this mesh.

Like it was, look at the intakes. They're so suffocated, but it looked so cool. Hey, it's our, it's our boy. Hey, Dimitri, what's up? The 810 was the actual like,

B.A. Just like, external rad. You could put all the things in it. That's so sick. You could put, you could put all your DVD burners. You could do like a one to one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

10, one to ten disc copy off. operation on this thing. Another big favorite of mine was the Wavemaster. I certainly didn't have one of those. The Wavemaster was sick. This is really old. This is like when design for cases had only just started to kind of become a thing. I recognize that.

Do we have one in inventory? A Wavemaster? Yeah. Almost certainly not. Thermal Take had a clone, you know, like how they do. another man another big one for me was oh bloody hell

what was that what was that brand mountain mods is mountain mods still around I thought they I thought they died a long time ago Mountain mods hold on a second I am super wrong I guess

Holy crap they still exist I'm super wrong no you're thinking of oh balls which one you're thinking of case labs Yes Mountain mods is the original case labs Slabs.

Yeah. You're right though. I was thinking case labs. Yeah. These guys have had pretty much the same lineup forever. I mean, oh, they're very expensive. This is $449. Dude, you don't have like,

you don't have a front panel yet. Oh. Well, okay, you can. You can get the standard ones. But you wouldn't. Yeah, you're going to get the triple quad and you're going to get the triple big window. And yeah. So, oh, get the big window.

Oh, also buy the. way you probably want to get the black wrinkle powder coat because it looks amazing and the smoked gray acrylic anyway you can you can end up really doing some stuff with mountain mods but these cases are like these are the original these are the original overkill computer case look at this video if this video doesn't make you want this case then I don't even know what you're doing with your life look at this the text is exploding there's skulls everywhere. This is so based. You can't even make this a parody.

No, dog. You can't. Look at this system. Oh, my God. Nobody has wrapped tubes anymore. Makes me sad. No soul. Soless. Is that sick or what? Is that a memory cooler?

That's a Dominator airflow memory cooler. Oh, how many EVGA cards rip EVGA? Oh, yeah, buddy. At least three? Three-way S-L-I, brother. Whoa. Now, that's a computer. All three of those cards get together costs a lot less than one new card now.

I know, right? I bet it also had 32 gigs of memory. Oh, boy. Oh, I'm sad. Okay. Hi, gang. How is the progress with Odysseus? Any plans to use it for works statistics?

Also, do you know what the most powerful local video generation models are WAN 2.2 and LTX 2.3? So far, I have managed to screw it up on Fedora once, screwed up on Fedora again, screwed up on Ubuntu, because nothing ever works for me. I'm just following the stand. So it turns out that running Blackwell is a big problem, apparently. the cards are just really new and driver support for them kind of sucks and so there's a bunch of custom flags that you have to set and I just I could I've gotten it working multiple times I managed to I actually had to dig around in our Google workspace account settings in order to use oaf in Odysseus to get my work email working in it so I had to like approve that I think I only did it for my account I don't think I did it org wide yeah we're Wait, what? Don't worry about it. The point is, I had to do some stuff that probably IT would have liked to know about,

not live on the land show. I mean, whatever. Yeah, I'll basically, all I did. All I did, but yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. So I've gotten it to the point where it is, I have an LLM working, and it can have like, I can do like two prompts, and it'll be like, yeah, I'm totally working. Thanks for doing a quick test with me.

And I'll be like, okay, maybe you can help me fix yourself because when you try to use the email client, it just errors out. And it'll be like, uh, and it just seems to be related to the blackwell cards. So I'm going to keep poking at it. Interesting. I'm having fun still, so that's good.

Yeah, I put like another three hours into it earlier this week, just kind of poking at it. I have some vacation time coming up, so that might be a more, like, time for me to play with it. Do you have your your GPUs yet or no? Yeah, but not modded yet. Got it. Because there was a delay on that because now the thing and the stuff. Right. Okay. Cool.

But it's still going to be happening. Have any of you played with WAN yet? Well, I thought that was a joke. No, no, no, it is called WAN. Oh, I thought it was a joke too. No, no. The model is actually WAN. No, it's the video models WANN Sorry, is this local? Yes

What? Maybe not 3.0, but it is the primary model. I have not tried LTCS but I have tried WAN It is so complicated And I am not very good at it And I gave up Should really try again

This is nuts WAN is crazy And you can also chain them together So normally it's like five or six seconds that it generates, but what you can do is you can kind of do this recursive workflow where you feed the last frame into the first frame as like an image-to-video thing, and then you can get longer than six-second videos.

They kind of go a bit wonky. I don't know. Can you get a seven-second one? Well, you could double it. Yeah, a lot of the problems with a lot of these is they get wonky real fast. And it's the changes problem. right?

Like if you're like, actually I want this guy to be a green frog instead of an orange frog and then it's like now it's walking on a totally different type of tree.

But if you feed the first you can try to make small changes. You can, yeah, but you've got to regenerate the whole thing. That's kind of the problem. But I mean,

if you're using like video references, I don't know. It's so complicated and it takes so long to render that I just haven't had time to play with it. Yeah,

I'm not, I don't really have anything to do. with video modeling, so it doesn't really matter too much to me. Up next, but it's fun there called Wayne. I love you, sweetheart, and a very happy early birthday. His birthday was actually yesterday. I don't think this is for Linus.

He could be talking to anyone. A quick question for both of you. They. Sure, let's go with that. Quick question for both of you. Rats. What do you think of them? Please, from two very obsessive rat owners.

Okay, we almost ended up with pet rats. We were talking to the kids about potentially a new pet. I think you know I've been trying to catch some voles for a while because they're good cat TV. And they're also just, they're up there. They're fun for me to watch too. They like they jump around. They're all active. I don't like the mice from the pet store.

They're so docile. They're basically for food here. So I wanted voles. But the pet stores can't sell you voles because they're domestic species, which you're not allowed to sell as pets, something, something, et cetera. Yeah, I know it's weird. Anyway, the point is, I haven't been able to catch any voles. And I was like, well, we should get something for the cat TV aquarium.

And we also talked about maybe getting ferrets because they apparently have like a ton of personality. They're lots of fun, take them out and interact with them. They'll like play fetch and do all kinds of things. So we were like, we're talking about potential another pet, like a rodent pet. And rats kept coming up. even though personally I find the appearance a little bit off-putting because, I don't know, maybe it's just like millennia of conditioning to kind of avoid them because, you know, disease and all that sort of stuff. I don't think that's millennial conditioning.

No, millennia of. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was like, bruh. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, thousands of years. The plague. Yeah. Yeah.

The one, you know, and the other one. and probably another one. Anyway, but what kept coming up is what incredible pets they are and how sociable they are and intelligent. And the thing that ultimately turned us off them, and then we ended up with chickens somehow, the thing that ultimately turned us off them was the lifespan. They apparently just only live a couple of years.

And we just didn't want to put ourselves through that to get really bonded to something because apparently you do and they're like super interactive. And then they just die. And then they're gone. They might set up monarchies too. What?

Yeah. Sometimes they elect a rat king. Stop it. Do you think I don't know what that is? Don't look it up. It's gross. Sure. You didn't have to ding that.

Oh, you said monarchy, and then it's a whole joke, and then whatever, ding for rat king. What should I do for my next date night with my wife? Oh. Um, home lab Has she ever heard of Kubernetes? Yeah, mansplained something to her. That'll go well. No, like, learn together.

Learn together. Have you ever heard of Kubernetes? Learn together. So, sweetie, do you like containers? You know, like Tupperware? Let me show you my helm chart. Anyway. You've said you always wanted a ranch.

X-FIN 7. 24 says, b***es love, Cooper 90s. If you go down, I can help you come back up again. It turns itself

back on. Yeah, automatically. Yeah. Refactor time. Real fast. Okay, anyway. She prox,

mocks is my... Until I deploy. Okay. Date night. Date night. I'm ready with a serious suggestion. Activity.

Go to the dollar store or failing that. Go to your local Michael. buy a scrapbook and buy some pages and actually print some fucking pictures because you know you haven't done it and make a scrapbook.

There is a phenomenal idea. Go through your pictures from the last year and you don't have to get all fancy about it you don't have to write things and put little stickers and do all the stuff, just make a photo album for the last year. And then you'll look at it again. And then set a calendar reminder

to do it again in a year and you look at the old one and then you do another one. And you didn't have to come up with another date idea. That's actually pretty good. That's pretty good. It took me and Yvonne forever to finish the one that we did because we did try to do all the like writing and things and everything. And then you overthink stuff.

And then it took like so long that now we don't want to do another one. So don't do that. Just put pictures in. Failing that, failing that, just look at pictures together and use an online service and they just ship it to you. That's an option too. So it depends on how much to... Basically, you can use this idea no matter how much time you want to commit to it.

Another really fun one, this was from like a date idea is like pack that I bought on Amazon, is you, and this one's very cheap, is you just go to like a library or a grocery store or anywhere that would have a recipe book. And you just flip to a random page and you go like this, and then you go buy the ingredients and make it and eat it. It was fun. You don't even have to buy the recipe book. You can just take a picture of the page.

It's sort of bad faith, but... It's also very possible that you own a recipe book that you've made like two things out of ever. So you could just use one you have. But it's not a bad idea to use the going out to the library as like an activity anyways. So like... And you'll be at the grocery store anyway. Yeah, that too. Yeah.

You know, for shopping. Yeah. So that's not bad. Charged nuclei says there aren't any recipes on the internet. It isn't the point. Yeah, that's more lame. That's a lot more lame. The point is

To touch and hold something And also the like Are we supposed to be doing this? You're just doing something together Don't worry about it Villabongs has a suggestion Blaze and Glaze Get High into a ceramics class

All right Just as long as you're not dealing with the kiln Then it's probably fine They normally handle that for you High DLL Good pivot I mean it's true With the rise of LLM

generated text and comments and algorithm-driven surfacing, how viable do you think your practice of just reading the recommended comments on videos is? Good question. There are great tonight. Thank you, everybody. Good question for Linus.

Pretty viable, I think. Oh. Because why? Gross. No, I don't think... They can't be any worse than they are now. Yeah, I don't think the YouTube comments have been quite as overrun as Reddit because there's not much benefit to it.

There's no SEO... I've seen it a couple times. I've seen it a couple times. Not that often, though, you're right. It's mostly like marketing bots and stuff. It does seem to genuinely be real, often very stupid people in the YouTube comments. Like a lot of the time, it's not coherent enough to be a bot. So, no, I think for now, there's no financial incentive to take over the YouTube comments with bots,

so it hasn't been as big of a problem yet. or rather it isn't as big of a problem right now. I think it depends on the type of content. There was a period that was really bad. But like on our videos, it's not a huge problem. I read so many of the comments and so few of them are actually problematic. I wonder if it's more prevalent on like political videos and stuff. Oh, dude.

I can't look at anything Canadian politics on Twitter right now. Because the bot replies are so ridiculous. I'm sure it's any politics. really. Well, Canadian politics matters more to me. So I'm... Well, no, I know. I'm just saying... You're 100% right. For people listening, watching, whatever.

But those are the ones that I've been looking at. And it's just... It is so painful. Just seeing the two sides of bots, and you can tell which one has the bigger budget. Slug it out. Yeah, Twitter is kind of... It's just a hate platform now.

And I don't say that with any political leaning, to be honest, because it's just a hate platform in both directions. It does really seem to do that. And like it's always been that. Don't forget the porn. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. It's like the two things that drive your brain fastest.

I will say I've encountered less accidental pornography on Twitter lately. But then I've also used it a lot less lately. I just check my notifications. I check my mentions and then my DMs. and pretty much log off. Because I only access it on desktop, too, so there's no internet. I do that, like, maybe once a month, usually less often than that. Anyways, in the recent 1080TI video, what test bench was used with the LTT CPU cases attached to it?

If the test bench is 3D printed, are there any plans to make the STL files available? It looked cool. Oh, it's the open bench. Yeah, it's not 3D printed. I don't think. It's really nice, but it's pretty expensive. Yes. This thing.

Yeah. Oh, those things are awesome. Yeah. But very nice. I have a little teeny tiny ITX one that is just the sweetest little thing. And it's on my head, so I put a thread ripper motherboard on it. Nice. Nice.

So it would hang off about, like, to hear. Yeah, pretty much. Did you have to support the board? Yeah, I put a box under it. Yeah. I should have just put it on the floor. Oh, my God, they have a pie-sized one. Oh, and they flat pack, too, which is super nice.

Oh, my goodness. God, imagine spending that much. That is so unnecessary. I love it. Yeah, I bet you someone's done it. Enjoyed the birthday stream the other night. Thanks for taking the time for us. If budget and time were not an issue,

what is the video you have been dying to make? I don't know, man. I feel like budget is not as big of a concern for me as it was earlier in my career. Now it's more time. It's more like what are the things that I would, that I want to be able to spend more time on. Like, I mean, you, man, you saw what the schedule was like today with where I was supposed to be.

And I'm just, I'm getting dragged in all these different directions. And like, like, there's really cool stuff that I want to do. Like, here, I'm going to, here, I'll tease a video. I'm going to bring a thing back. Someone just mentioned in chat that there's a, the Guild Kickstarter. I was looking into this. And then it said Renfair. And I don't know what it is.

Is it a... That doesn't help clarity I don't understand what's going on But the guild was fun When it was a thing I don't... Is this a board game? What is this? Okay

Ten million dollars? It's a movie Renfair movie Wow All their goal was two And they've made five times that Almost Go figure

So I guess it's the guild Are these the original characters That kind of looks like it is if this play button is covering up the, like, the dude. Oh, well, yeah, it didn't give me that slide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That looks like, yeah, that looks like the people. Ah, there he is.

That's the guy that I thought was missing. Okay, so is, like, the guild's coming back, but with a movie? And it's called Renfaird? Cool. Neat. Never heard of it. I don't know, this is the thing.

I don't pay much attention at Kickstarter anymore, but they're still clearly blasting campaigns with $10 million and stuff. all the time. Oh yeah. And like this is this is not the only one. It happens quite often. They just they used to be such a topic of conversation just kick started the platform and they're still huge. Very interesting. So here is a perfect example of something that I don't need more money to do but is the kind of thing that I want to do. Oh, that looks sick. This started its life earlier yesterday. At the beginning of the day yesterday, this was a standard dual

sense controller. Now it has TMR joystick. a completely new case it has back paddles that are configurable with this screen on the back and if I can figure out how to turn it on Wow, that is such a cool controller LED backlighting I think I'm attracted to the next one

This one Started its life as a standard Xbox 1 controller Oh Oh ignore that That's just some cap on tape that has a screw I accidentally broke one of the paddles as I was putting it on,

but that can be fixed by just getting a new paddle switch. The whole mod is fine. So it started its life as a standard first-party Xbox controller. It now has back paddles, a transparent housing, and did I mention,

also has LED lighting that can be color changed, zone by zone, one at a time, including on the triggers. And I'm trying to remember, oh yeah, and it can have the firmware it's undergone a mod, to install the latest firmware

rather than being stuck with the old firmware so that you can do the re-centering. Oh, also has TMR joysticks. And the whole time, so it was basically episode two of Linus and David mod their console stuff together. The last time we did it, he upgraded his Vita and I upgraded my game gear.

And we've been meaning, we told each other. We were like, that was so fun. We should totally make this a recurring series. No, this is awesome, and now I want to do one. Three years ago or something like that. And we're finally doing it. And the whole time we're doing it, people are breathing down our necks going,

hey, you guys need to finish the shoot. You need to finish the shoot. You have all the other shoots to do. So for me, my problem is not having enough money to do the stuff I want to do. It's time. It's not having enough time because people are so dependent on me to complete their own projects and hit their own KPIs that sometimes I don't get to spend the time that I want

on just like making dumb shit like this like look at this color scheme is this is this is this eye cancer or what but i it's in like the best way i don't know about the purple i really like the green and the wood well here we can change that we can change that's how that's how i just have to go uh one two three right okay and then i can change the colors so there's uh there's an actual purple here we could go we could go teal's kind of cool we could go red we could go we could go green the green's too boring. Oh, okay,

green's too boring. This might be a multicolor one that I'm looking at right now. I have no idea what, I have no idea

what's going on right now. I haven't actually played around with this too much. But basically, yeah, you can,

oh, I think you can toggle zones off. White, I think would look pretty clean. There's no white. I was like, what? I thought it was white

for a second thing. Yeah, so David ended up with slightly better options for for his RGB colors matching his controller

housing. But you know what? Yeah, it is what it is. I had a ton of fun doing this and green and teal looks cool either way sweet that was that looks wicked that was fun you know what I'm gonna go I'm gonna go green I'm gonna go green so now all I have to do is I press this for a second oh wait for a longer second I said please sell this it'll sell it immediately well if you watch the video I'm sure they bought these things online in order to mod their

controllers we did you could buy them from the people who actually make them yeah and then you could mod your own controller yeah it was a little bit bigger of a task than I initially thought. Maybe it's one second on this one. Is it one second on this one? No. I, yeah, dang it, I can't remember how to do this now. You know what? Okay, I'm just going to leave it. I'm going to leave it, fuchsia. For now, there we go. I'm out of...

But yeah, they both work perfectly. That's the kind of stuff I want to do more of. Okay, carry on. Hey, DLO, long-time listener, first-time caller. I feel the internet mostly sucks now. What do you think the last, quote-unquote, good year of the internet was or is it still mostly good in your opinion you know i was thinking about this a little while ago i think i've talked to you about this already luke but i am now i think almost two months clean of

visiting the l ttt subreddit right okay look at this if you if you just look at like my if i open a new tab so i've got just like my my all sort of that i check once in a while wall street bets which is a guilty pleasure i just and there's usually only like four threads a day that are worth looking at so these are like combined I don't know a total of eight minutes of doom scrolling LTT store well whatever this is our okay so our asset system yeah electric eBay and nothing else I visit like four sites two of which are work what do we what do people even do on the internet anymore other than like doomscroll.

Yeah, surfing's kind of dead. It feels that way, doesn't it? We talked about this for a long time. I actually really, really, really miss a very old website called StumbleUpon. I remember that. Stumble upon used to be really, really awesome. What is this? Mix?

Videos website picks articles. I don't know what this is. This looks like AI stuff. How much one about you're the product? One of the videos I went by was like a thousand percent an AI thing. I'm going to go away from this now. But yeah, StumbleUpon used to be, I loved StumbleUpon. It was so cool.

And I remember when like people started using Reddit, I was like, that's so stupid. Why wouldn't I just use StumbleUpon? It's so much more interesting. And, yeah, I hate that it's basically just a few websites. There's been some cool. I wish I could reference them right now, I'm not going to remember them. That's the whole problem.

But there's been some cool, I sort of mentioned this earlier with vibe coded websites. Like there's a bunch of these like vibe coded info sites coming up coming around like hardware hacking, which is becoming a bit of a theme lately. And it's been kind of interesting because back in the day, you had GeoCities, you had all these things that made spinning up these little microsites really easy. and because that's become less popular, those tools, those systems was kind of faded away.

But with vibe coding, you can kind of do it yourself again. So there's been this weird resurgence of me going to websites that are not the standard websites, which is odd, but kind of interesting. Solid finger store, go figure, all right.

Oh, sorry. New ground's still a thing. Maybe this is actually David Firth. All right. shows you what I know. I think queues. But yeah, like this like small web thing is starting to kind of take off

with sites linking to each other and and yeah, anyway. People keep posting this. What is it? This sucks. Okay, I don't know. Okay, got it. Um, but yeah, it's, it's interesting.

I find mass consolidation of the web very sad, but. Yeah. Man, I used to have a burnt face man hoodie. and apparently David Firth doesn't sell them anymore. I think I... There's like fan-made ones slash ones that rip off his art, but... Didn't I call somebody a bastard man like a thousand years ago?

And you were the only person I have ever met who was like, is that a burn face man reference? A huge David Firth fan. Jamie still calls me Mr. Salad Fingers and asks me how my spoons are doing. Slender man. Ask him if he's found my pages. Luke Any cool tours you've been on recently

that you can talk about? No All right then Either secretive or really boring You decide Greetings when dot DLL Techpants versus cargo pants In terms of stretchability and durability

My jeans tour Every three months due to my fat A job Requires me to do Acrobatic moves. We'll buy your recommend. Um, man, I don't know. You might want the flex pants. The ones I'm wearing right now, actually.

Um, they still have pretty good pocketing. Like there's, uh, hold on, there's like, there's one here. There's two here. There's one on the back. There's one here. There's another one here. Like, yeah, they're pretty strong in terms of pocketing. And they're like quite, quite stretchy. I don't, do we still, oh, do we still carry them? That would be awkward. If I recommended a thing that we don't have, uh, flex pants,

do we have them? I thought I clicked bottoms. Uh-oh, hold on. A pants. Oh, goodness. Well, uh-huh. Are they on the B-stock site? What was it called again?

LNG.g.g. We have a clever name for it. Do you remember, Dan? For the B stock? Yeah, for the B stock site. We launched it this week. What's it called again? Oh, it's just on the store, yeah. LMGG slash outlet there is. Yeah, it's not, it's not a separate site now. Oh, I thought it was going to be. LTT.com slash collection slash outlet. Oh, okay. Well, apparently these are gone. So, yeah, cool. Um, maintaining extra sites. I would say between the two of them, which has more stretch.

The cargo pants don't have stretch. I would go with the tech pants then if you need stretch. Okay, carry on. Comey, Dan. Hey, limited liability and dompenny. Linus, how is your Sonos Amph-based home audio setup going? Much better, now that I found the toggle to turn off SonosNet. So I went through and painstakingly hardwired all of my Sonos'

amps, only to have my family complain to me that the music, like, cuts out and glitches out, takes forever to start playing. And I was like, what the, why? Like, there should be no reason for that. It's all wired networking. And then I learned about SonosNet, a proprietary garbage network that Sonos devices set up instead of just using the proper fucking network that I give them. And I turned it off. And everything's better now. I still don't like that I don't have proper interoper with YouTube music like I did back with Google Play Music so that I would never have to open the Sonos app. I used to be in Google Play Music, listening on my headphones and just be like, no, actually, cast to my living room and boom, it was good to go. But hey, if the solution to that is just using machine

vision or something or location of my phone inside my house and having like an AI Jarvis do it for me, then I guess I can figure that out. I just wish I didn't have to. Cheers, Dan. Luke, you said you enjoy drifting in Forza. As someone with real life drifting experience, I love grid. Have you tried it? An in real life drifter knew I was too when they saw me faint drift. Oh, that's really cool, actually. That's sick. No, if I remember correctly, they have, there's a grid coming out soon that I was excited before. Oh, I think it's like the off-road one. I haven't tried drifting in grid at all.

But that's cool. Maybe I'll check it out. Sweet. Heck yeah. Hey guys, how goes the Linux challenge? Or does it even go anymore? Luke, you've been following Wendell's Council of AI Saga. Yeah, I've always been a watcher of Wendell videos.

I don't think I've been as avid of a watcher of Wendell videos as I am now ever before. It's been the stuff he's been doing has been fantastic. fantastic. The Linux challenge has been over for a while. I think all three of us are still using it to some degree. I just switched back to Windows yesterday, but only because I was on the average, not average podcast last week, and I was getting some issues with my cam link. My video capture was like glitching out, and I haven't had time to diagnose it. And I had the stream yesterday, the birthday stream for float plane, and it was easier for me to unplug my steam machine in like the original steam machine thing and just like plug into my desktop,

which I had already switched back over to Windows, but had never actually started using again. So it was just out of I needed something to work and I knew that I had already figured out how to make it work on Windows, not that there's no way for me to make it work on Linux, and I'll probably go back to my SteamOS machine immediately. I'm just dual booting on all my machines. I am very likely to just ditch the Windows distro on my laptop. I love that you just called Windows at Distro. Get fucking wrecked, Microsoft.

There's just no reason for me to use it anymore. I haven't booted into it once since the Linux challenge started. I've never needed to. It is just slower, more intrusive, and more intrusive both in the data that is taking from me, but how I actually meant that word when I said it was in regards to like pop-ups and junk coming up and it just being really annoying. If I need to update the system, it goes really fast. It doesn't bother me about it. I can restart it whenever I want. The restarts are faster. In regards to, I need to get into my system, launch something, get work done, and then close my

laptop and go away and need it to not bother me. It is just significantly better than Windows was. I'm running mint, so it's an incredibly simplified, straightforward, streamlined setup. No, it's not as powerful as other options, but I don't care. It's a work laptop. So, yeah, that is just permanently staying as of right now. On my desktop, I am dual booting, and I'm definitely going to be staying dual booting. I enjoy the cashy experience more. Actually, not the biggest problem.

It's other stuff. Oh. Screen sharing on Linux is so bad that... It can be problematic. I have used solutions that just work. I have also encountered extremely frustrating situations where they just don't and fuck you for asking. I find that the OBS experience is a lot better on Windows.

OBS just freaking works on Windows these days. I haven't done an incredible amount of work on Linux or my desktop OS is cachey. I haven't done an incredible amount of work on there to try to make it better, just being honest. But wow, is it a lot better or a lot faster if I just boot to Windows and just run it as it is. I also find like a streaming setup getting messed up for some reason to be one of the most frustrating things that can ever happen. It's really inconvenient and then you just won't stream. Yep.

Because the barrier is so high. And if the barrier is rebooting into Windows and then starting the thing, the barrier is not that high. And your games will just work anyway. Yep. So there's a lot less tinkering that needs to happen. And like a problem that I was running into, and there's probably a solution here. But the problem I was running into on Cashie was I'd open up OBS and all

my screen sharing scene selection stuff would be reset so I'd have to retarget it every single time and they would all pop up all at once and it's just very annoying because I I was one who would set up quite a few different scene options and it kind of embed a lot of things together so there'd be a lot of a lot of screen sharing things that would come up every time it's very annoying So yeah, that's, if I'm ever going to be streaming for whatever reason, I will go on to the old Windows. I understand you can force at Knife Point DaVinci to work on Linux, but it's a lot easier to just kindly ask it on Windows instead. So there's like, there's different, it's creative applications are still having a problem. It's very cool that we have not solved.

but massively improved gaming on Linux to the point where it's like very rarely a problem. That is awesome. The same thing has not been done for creative apps. So on my desktop, I still need both. But I like living most of my desktop experience time on cachey still. I'm still spending most of my time on cachey. I spend maybe like one or two days a week in Windows. Damn.

But yeah, my work laptop is. is Primalinix, and I really don't see it ever going back. And it has, honestly, nothing at all to do with like, oh, I don't like Windows, or they're taking too much of my data. Like, it is purely just a more productive gets out of my way more. Like, all the things that a lot of people would point at Linux and be like, oh, it's bad for these reasons. It's way better than Windows 4 in my work laptop situation.

I tinker with it less. I do less with it. It gets in my way less often. It's just like, I don't know. It's wild. The biggest success for me has been that laptop. Yeah. Last one I got for you today.

Hey, LLD. I work in IT and recently we had to fire my boss for snooping through HR's emails. Turns out he had been doing it for a while. Nice. What's the most unethical thing you've seen a coworker do? I'm so curious how... I think the most unethical thing would be for either me or Luke to answer this question. man but I want to so bad yeah wait wait for the book okay dude I've seen everything it's such a perfect

question for that though I can I won't I have so many and most of them you know what no I'm gonna leave it there's so many things that people don't know that I know yeah because it just you know wasn't worth it to have the conversation for some reason or another. But like, the number of people and the number of incidents where they don't know that I know is like crazy.

And like you can tell when someone doesn't know you know because they'll be all indignant or they'll be all like angry or, you know, whatever. Like, why are you... And it's like, we're not going to talk about it. Dude, I already figured this out. Yeah, it was... Can I anonymize the one that we're probably both thinking

of? There could be any of a dozen that I'm thinking of right now, quite honestly. All right. No, that's fine. It's not worth it. It would not worth it. I would not worth it. I'll leave it alone. This was a very funny bait, though, Dan, trying to get us both in trouble. I don't think it was a bait. I just kind of wanted you to be like... You might even call it a master bait. I think it's really interesting. I'm very good at that. That an IT person's boss was caught in a way that usually an IT person would catch that person for? Does that make sense? Well, the IT person's boss is probably a manager, not an IT person. That doesn't, just because they manage the IT department doesn't mean that that organization

thinks they should be an IT person. Have you not seen the IT crowd? Have you not seen our companies? Turn up their endlockers so I could install Linux on the whole work laptop. And then they did. I want to play Minecraft on the Wancho computer. Please. Please.

Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough. It's just, it is interesting. It is interesting to me. Yeah. Because speaking of that, I think that is true here to a certain degree.

But I have caught people using those tools. And it's just interesting that like someone who is aware. Because we've, I've, there's. been a bunch of IT updates where I tell our people to include a blurb at the bottom of like this thing that we're doing could be maliciously used in these ways. We do not intend to use it in these ways. Right. You should be aware that this data exists and like therefore blah, blah, blah, blah.

Luke and I have talked about a few of them that we know about and it's like, you got out to stop, man. I've had to go up to people and be like, stop giving me that information. I'm not even like... Oh, just because they put their personal data in their work stuff. Sometimes it's real bad. Or at least could be. Or could be, yeah.

But like, it's interesting to me that someone who must have been that intimately familiar with what those tools can do was doing that, if that makes sense. Someone asked for an example from NCIX. Oh, man. I mean... I'm sure. It was all pretty normal unethical behavior. Selling O-C-Z-RAM.

Okay, listen. Most of it worked. I have been burned by them and I will... I was the OCCPM. Okay, Linus. Hell, hell, 1,000 years. It was the way Dan said Linus, you could feel it. I'm going to get up and you might not make it home.

I'm sorry. I feel like it was a lot of the usual stuff, like purchasing managers, you know, saying like, hey, yeah, do you have any, you know, new GPU launches coming up? Are there any kicking around the warehouse? Hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, or like vendor reps coming into town

and, you know, buying a super, super expensive dinner with our people just so that they can eat a super expensive dinner. Oh, dude, that's so common. Drink a super expensive dinner more like. That is so cool. Okay, actually, this is,

This is one that's a little beyond that. I had a manager, not one that works here, who a story circulated about them. I wasn't there, so I don't know for sure if this is true. I won't be naming any names. But who allegedly asked at the end of the meal for a brand, big brand, one of the largest companies in the world now,

to buy a couple more bottles of wine and then just took them. like didn't they like they weren't really for the meal they just took them and they were very fancy from my understanding so i'd say that's pretty bad um yeah i don't know like you know you're but mostly your usual stuff yeah i mean in my experience it's just smaller scales of the same thing yeah people at best buy talking newly released things behind boxes in the warehouse yeah yeah that kind of stuff it's the same kind of deal that you be clear like None of this is good, but it's not...

There's no dead bodies. It's very average. Yeah. Yeah. No dead bodies. Yeah. Oh, that's it. That is all I got.

Wow, we'll see you again next week, guys. Same bad channel. Same bad time. Same my bad brain. I'm tired. Badminton. Oh, oh, shoot. I'm playing tonight.

He's got to go pretty soon. They're on time. Right. Bye! I'm the IQ guy. My boss was Ikey director. Yeah. Yeah.

Twitch would like to wish you a happy belated birthday. Who? I don't know. Also the YouTube chat was being homies today. They were spam and Minecraft in the YouTube chat. They were so... trying to help you guys are cool.