The WAN Show - My Mac Transition Is Not Going Well - WAN Show February 28, 2025

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I've got this condition where I don't feel pain. You're a superhero. No. This is how intense Nova Kane sounds. Oh wow. Imagine how it looks. Sam More? Yeah, big time.

Nova Kane, forming theaters March 14th. What is up everyone? Welcome to the WAN Show. Such a mellow introduction. Well, we've got a great show lined up for you guys today and I don't want to, you know, scare anybody off. Welcome to the WAN show. Such a mellow introduction. Well, we've got a great show lined up for you guys today and I don't wanna scare anybody off. Welcome to the WAN show. You can be my hero AMD. Man, the RX 9070 and 9070 XT announcement,

I have to admit, I completely forgot to make fun of the silly naming scheme because these cards look genuinely exciting. I can't wait to talk about that. I'm also gonna be talking about my recent transition to Mac OS. Luke, I am not having a good time. I had a meeting in the office next to his while he was, as far as I can tell, just using his computer. No, I was trying to. And it was incredibly distracting because he was screaming like half the time. Wait, that was with you! Yeah. That was with Dan. So Dan remembers that. That was a lot of yelling. What do you mean he remembers it? It was like two days ago.

Yeah, no, I only got about 96 hours and then it just fades. What else we got lined up today? Oh, uh, we didn't have a huge thing before the intro, so I didn't prep anything at all. More companies are apparently releasing the source code for video games. Oh, this is so cool! Yeah, so EA released source code for four Command and Conquer games. That is so cool. That was not on my estimates for what would happen this year. It's called a bingo card, but yes.

Sure, there we go. What else should we talk about? Bloody hell, Luke. Ooh. I'm looking at the- I'm gonna just roll it. I'm gonna show it, you're gonna lose your shot. Whatever this is,

Psionic launches new advanced ability hand for humans and robots, question mark? Whatever that is. The show is brought to you today by Threatlocker. That's right, there is one sponsor for the WAN show. Threatlocker.com slash WAN show. You can check them out. Threatlocker, it's like a WAN show takeover.

I mean, we also still have our chair sponsor, Secret Lab, and our rap partner, D Brand. But Threatlocker is the one sponsor of this WAN show today. And we have like a special like read for them And I think Luke is doing it or something. Cool. Nice. Let's get right into our first topic Okay, do we do Linus switches to Mac OS or should we talk about the Radeon RX 9070 and 9070 XT? Let's uh, let's save the rage for later. Let's talk about AMD. This morning Yes this morning AMD announced that the 9070 and 9070 XT, and yes, I've said

those model numbers a lot of times because I'm trying to burn them into your mind. These are the option that you might actually be able to buy. They're going to be launching March 6th with what AMD called, dang it, I can't find the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of wide availability. Which I think means that they walk endlessly down hallways and they get wider and wider as they go. They're going to be coming in at pricing that AMD claims will be $549 and $599 respectively and are going to use their brand new RDNA 4 architecture that they are claiming is about 40% faster per CU than RDNA 3. They are alleging near native quality in performance mode with their new FSR 4 upscaling and both of these cards will have 16 gigs of RAM at their 549 and 599 pricing respectively. This is pretty exciting. Well at least

one of them is pretty exciting. Yeah. The 9070 looks like AMD is doing that thing again where they launch a new you know series of cards and they have the one that makes sense And then they have the one that you'd have to be a big dumb idiot to buy I hope they have like 50 XT's for every non XT because and then it doesn't sell it all yeah And then AMD is like what ha ha That was our plan all along. Um, 9070s now 20% off discount. Woo! AMD, if anyone from there is watching,

maybe just don't do that. That'd be pretty sick. I do understand the appeal, like I understand why they're doing it. Because it's possible that with the market being the way that it is and availability of GPUs being what they are, that 9070s will just sell it regardless and they can make some money on this one while the XT is sort of their more aggressive play. So I get that. I follow that logic.

I also follow the logic that your XT, there's a lot more risk to like discounting it in the longer term in terms of the perception of your brand. If a bunch of people buy this thing for $5.99 and then you know it turns out that you ultimately have to adjust the pricing of it down the road, it's kind of like an FU to your you know flagship tier customers. Whereas the $90.70 can be kind of like an FU to your, you know, flagship tier customers. Whereas the 9070 can be kind of like your sh** kicker skew. You just like discount it without eroding the perceived value of what XT means in your lineup.

You get to show a big discount because it's 549 MSRP and you can get it for 499, you know, the MSI trio card, whatever, right? I understand why they do it, but guys, we saw this with the 7900 XT and the 7900 XTX. The XTX got really positive reviews because at $1,000, at that time, that made a lot of sense. It's pretty killer. And then the XT for $100 less was way less performant. And that's a weird thing, that the flagship

gives you the better bang for the buck, than the like, step down, supposed to be more value oriented card. And I do understand that these probably use the same die. Like my understanding is that with RDNA 4, AMD dramatically cut down on how many dies they were building. They didn't even do a super high end competitor. I don't know what they have coming in the lower end,

but they basically were like, okay, we need to focus this generation on the cards that we think are gonna address the majority of gamers. Okay, so these are probably based on the same die. They're both using a 256-bit bus. They both have a similar number of CUs. Like, there's no way they have two dies, one that's 64 and one that's 56. This is going to be 9070 is a cut down 9070 XT. So I understand too, that from a pricing

standpoint, they essentially paid the same for this silicon, right? I don't care. You need to have product stratification that makes sense. And looking at these specs, the 9070 is going to be a much lesser card compared to the 9070 XT. It is clocked like, what, 85% as high? That's off the top of my head, so don't don't quote me on that. But it's it drops like over 10% of the AI accelerators, it drops over 10% of your ray tracing accelerators, and drops over 10% of your compute units. And it's giving you a price that is, hold on a second, calculator second calculator okay so 549 divided by five and nine to nine it only drops like eight and a half percent of the price this is gonna be a markedly slower card so AMD please please no new media engine

looks good very excited about that. It could possibly be like doable to stream to Twitch on this thing. AMD is offering unlimited encodes, streams, and sessions, which, okay, I have, okay, hold on, we'll get to that. So, I was talking to someone from the writing team and they were basically saying well does this really matter because Realistically you're gonna run into a limit like like a performance limitation before you're gonna run into a session limitation And what I said was okay, you would think that But if you're only encoding like relatively low bit rate 1080p or even like 720p like if you're using this thing for like I

like 720p, like if you're using this thing for like, I don't know, like I ran into this issue when I was setting up the cameras at that badminton club during COVID when I wanted to watch my son's tournaments. So I set up cameras on all the courts and I set up like an OBS box that would stream them all simultaneously and Nvidia cards, even though I had had because I was encoding at relatively low resolution and bitrate I had plenty Plenty of headroom a lot of performance in terms of performance, but because of the encoding session limit I Wasn't able to encode that many streams at once so it is pretty cool to me that AMD basically goes Okay, yeah, like realistically if you're encoding it 8k 80 FPS or whatever you'll get one effectively your limit is one yeah but if you're encoding at a lot

less hey you can just kind of like decide I prefer this I'm just surprised I'm very surprised yeah I mean AMD doesn't have a functioning professional card yeah line up anymore not gonna chew out their own markets so what's the point yeah so I guess I guess that's part of it, but like cool Yeah, I'm into it, especially if the quality is decent like I had to do this whole stupid workaround I had to find like a hacked driver that unlocked it on Windows I think it's easier on Linux, but I was running Windows because I was deal with it And it was just it won't it was just was just it was just such it was just such a

hassle and so just not having to do that would be great AMD is also claiming that their driver support for these new cards will be the best they've ever had have they claimed this before oh yeah I mean I don't know if they've claimed it at launch before but do you remember the Crimson drivers mm-hmm he remembers the Crimson drivers why ask the question AMD I believe it was Crimson because they had a couple like like driver rebrands over the years back when they didn't have any new hardware and I think it was Crimson that they like tried to get us to make a dedicated LTT video about and I was like brother we don't we don't cover a driver update but

tell you what and then I was like Luke do you want to like look I think it crashed like multiple times and the one day you were looking at it or something like that I don't remember the exact details but I remember it was it was rough yeah it was a hot steaming pile of garbage but they say they've tested more hardware configurations in the lab, they've got AI integrated into their testing and a bug report tool directly in the driver. Their dedicated AI hardware looks pretty impressive based on what they've shown. However, however, the rumors of a 32 gig version of the card have been squawk squish squashed. That doesn't

mean that they will never do it. But it does mean that we're not going to be expecting it anytime immediately. What else we got here? Reception has been massively positive to this card. I mean, it's hard to be upset when AMD is promising roughly 50, 70 TI performance for $150 less. And they are claiming wide availability. There it is, okay, so that's in our notes.

Wide availability, which... Just do it. There you have to do it. That was the most pathetic slap that I have ever seen in my life. Well, you gotta make a sound at least. Well, with the headphones on, I can't really do it. That was so sad.

I'll go if you want. You have to make a sound. Oh, ow. That was not going. That's my punishment. That's my punishment for believing AMD about stock availability. I didn't actually expect that to hurt.

That was really, alright. That sounded like a real one, good job. That's my punishment, but I do. Do you know why? Because we saw ads for this card weeks ago. AMD intended to launch this weeks ago. What it seems like is they put it back in the oven, driver wise, right?

But the way that production out time allocation works, just because they delayed the launch, because they were working on the software, that doesn't mean that they stop fricking making wafers. That doesn't mean they stop producing cards. So we know that they were planning to launch this weeks ago. We know that retail cards have been popping up already in the lead up to this launch, like a while ago.

Like a while ago. Like a while ago. So I believe, and I deserved that for believing it, but I believe that AMD actually has some cards out there for a change. And I am, I am cautiously excited. I don't believe that because I should. I believe that because I really, really, really, really, really, really want to. Oh, yeah. I wonder what their expectations for sales are, though. I don't know. Because what if this die? I don't necessarily know that it will because there's a lot of brand loyalty in this space. Oh, a lot. But say it goes gangbusters. Do they really have enough? Even if they've been shipping for a while.

I don't know. I don't know. Because they have to make up not only for, you know, AMD customers who have been itching for an upgrade to, you know, their 7700 XT or like, you know, 6700 class card, right? Or like a 5700 XT, like desperately waiting for AMD to really have like a killer card at that's a great value, right? Yeah. They not only have to deal with that pent-up demand but they have to deal with the pent-up demand of Nvidia gamers who are like yo where the fuck is anything for me to buy and

That's like 85% of the market so unless AMD went like all in and produced 10x of what they would have normally forecasted. That's why I'm saying like I don't know they might have shipped like more than you would expect for a launch and it still might not be enough and still might lead into scalping because like there's nothing from the other side so I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not just scalpers, right? Like don't kid yourself, mining is still a thing. Like I've seen so many people be like, yeah, it's all the AI.

Okay, don't kid yourself. Mining's a lot less popular these days, but it's still absolutely happening. Absolutely. And the contacts that are getting miners access to these cards before the general public are still able to intercept them. If anything, I would think there's less scrutiny on them than before. So unless AMD, like, really is going to flood the market with these things, I would still expect pricing to be a little bit elevated. But I'm just hoping that it won't be extremely elevated. And with that said, I mean, hope, what does hope even do for you?

I mean, I've been bugging Intel on like an every few days or so basis going like, you know, hey, what's the deal with channel pricing? Hopefully this can be fixed. Hey, inventory update, are you ramping production? Do you have any idea what's going on with supply? Because B580 and B570 to a lesser degree, but B580 was looking like a savior for entry-level affordable gaming.

And you know what? It's still somewhat reasonable. What is MSRP supposed to be? 250 US dollars. Yeah, it's not 250 US dollars. They're all closer to like just under 300 from the last time that I- Oh, this is Canadian.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's your problem. Canadian. And there are still occasional cards that you can find for close to MSRP. I saw some that I think Canada computers for about 370 CAD or 380 CAD which is about 250 US dollars. I also saw some B580s on Newegg that come as part of a bundle, but are darn close to MSRP when you account for... oh it's out of stock now, bloody hell. Well, this deal was in stock recently. So it was a B580 with a 650 watt power supply

for $334 US dollars. That is actually not that far off, but no, the rest of them are all, man, some of them are even over 400 now. Here's one. Channel pricing has been such a mess, like across the board oh this one's 359 which is again it's too high when the MSRP is 250 wasn't that 370 now there's promo code oh

yeah for 20 bucks off um i need amd now you know i was rooting for intel intel still figuring out their inventory apparently so now i'm rooting for for AMD to just flood the channel and make it unsustainable for the other players to be priced way out of whack. This is an opportunity for AMD to grab some serious market share, which will get developers to seriously focus on optimizing for AMD, which could lead to gamers taking AMD more seriously as an option, turning AMD finally into a player for the first time since like, what? The early 2000s, if we're being honest.

Into like an actual other option, not a like consolation option. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, honestly, I haven't minded, I haven't minded rolling my 7900 xtx I don't I don't always game on that machine Right, like I also have my 380 like land rig That's one of the like water-cooled ones, but I haven't had any problems with it. Like the the Radeon challenge wasn't really a challenge Come on let's go. What else we got to say here about the launch? The community continues

to be very vocal about disliking frame generation technology. Lots of fake frames comments in the chat when AMD was live streaming their announcement. You also can't go without it though. They can't launch the card without it like it's With that said, you know frame gen is part of the FSR for package. So Yeah, be ready for AMD to do some some some generation of frames I guess all that we can really hope for is that they'll do a pretty good job and that you won't need it if you Don't like it because I think that's something that a lot of

the enthusiasts are struggling with a little bit. I think that it is really easy for us to take our own values and our own priorities and just kind of assume that everyone else's are the same. But when I think about the gamers in my life, not all of them are enthusiasts, not all of them are pixel peepers. Most of them aren't. Most of the people that I know, if I were to put an extra 40 milliseconds of input latency on something,

they probably wouldn't notice. If I were to have some weird image quality crap going on, unless it flickers or draws the eye in some lizard brain, or unless I say, even if I said I'm looking for it, dude, sometimes you'll turn on HDR and people be like, sorry, did you change it yet? And I'm talking content that really pops, you know? And that's the content that like really pops, you know, and, and that's the thing, right? So, you know, to our audience, we're kind of going, okay, how does this perform, you

know, without frame gen, but for a lot of people turning on frame gen and like feeling that additional smoothness and just seeing a higher number is going to be is going to be fine, dude, like I'll always remember that like slack-jawed guy in the beanbag chair that I talked to at PAX one year who was gaming on an Nvidia shield like the little the little clam shell android handheld not the like the tv console the little clamshell thing and he was streaming over wi-fi from a gaming pc that was somewhere else on the show floor playing like a triple a game on this thing and I'm like oh yeah oh yeah, like, how's the latency? And he's like, huh? Yeah, that's cool, man. Like, absolutely zero appreciation whatsoever for like what he was seeing. Like that. And that,

you know, whatever. Like, I'm sure he's really passionate about like cars or something, but obviously, you know, the image quality of of the gaming experience is not that meaningful. And so, FrameGen is here to stay. You don't have to use it. You don't have to like it. You don't have to endorse it. But it's not going anywhere. Nvidia is invested.

AMD is now invested. It's a matter of time before Intel has something. Do they, wait, do they have FrameGen as part of XCSS too? I don't think so. XCSS FrameGen. Oh, yeah, no, they have FrameGeneration already. There you go.

Yeah, I thought so. Yeah, I forgot about that. So XCSS too has FrameGen. So all three major graphics players are invested in FrameGen. It's not going anywhere. But you don't have to turn it on. I suspect that the least invested in frame gen

is probably Intel. I don't know, XSS is pretty good. We were playing around with it the other day and it's like, that video is coming actually. We're doing a battle mage challenge. Yeah. So both, this is hilarious. Both David and Plouffe are switching to Battle Mage.

I was gonna do it, but you wanted the shot? I didn't want anything. Oh, they told me you wanted it. What did I want? Us to have our computers in here locally for the GPU swap. I was like, I don't have time to tear everything down. That was a Plouffe initiative. Oh.

Yeah, I agree with him. It is probably better than just cell phone shooting it home. Yeah, like it was supposed to be like- The framing like like it is probably better than just like cell phone shooting it Yeah, the like the like it was supposed framing of the video is probably everybody brings in their computers and upgrades together But like yeah, no no that's fine. I was like okay, then Luke doesn't have to do it But yeah ploof and David are doing it so ploof well first of all David is pulling a 7900 XT out of one of his computers and a 3090 out of the other one. Oh, he's doing to he's doing two Because and he was like yeah dodge it now. He felt it wouldn't be fair. Yeah to upgrade only one That's very legit because he does so much of his gaming in his living room now. That's cool on his 4k TV

Yeah, anywho, so so he's realistically gonna be using Upscaling right like there's there's no way he's gaming at 4k natively on that thing So it's it's upscale city and then ploof is pulling his 4090 out and his monitor which he owns by the way owns money. He does own a monitor One of those fancy 4k 240 Hertz displays from Alienware. So that's something that he'll be driving with a B580 so he's gonna need all the fake upscaling nonsense that he can get. So Intel's kind of climbing uphill with this one I think. Yes but what I like about both of those guys as

participants here is unlike me they play a wide variety of games. So we are likely to find some edge cases. Oh wow, it was actually fine in this one. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And I gotta say, you're gonna see this in the video, obviously, once we upload it, but both of them were quite impressed by what they could achieve with it

when we did our quick test here in the studio before they embark on the 30 day B580 challenge. Good cards, man. They are good. They're legitimately good. Yeah. I just wish they were actually 250 bucks because then you could build a sick entry-level gaming PC

for like 500, $600, and it put up, it would put downward pricing pressure on basically everything else in the market. We just need these bloody cards to be available. Still not getting a response on that. Speaking of 30 day challenges, I... Oh, wait, I think we have to do a sponsor spot. This is another topic. Put that away. I think we have to do a sponsor spot. This is another topic. Put that away.

I think we have to do a sponsor spot. Put that away. This is gross. Get out of here. Okay, what are we supposed to do? I got a sponsor spot. Okay. I am doing this one? Are you playing the thing? Am I? Am I doing it? It's got a read. I have no idea.

I don't know. Okay, if we didn't, I thought, well, I thought Luke, I thought it was a special Luke one. Yeah, I can do it. It doesn't matter. Okay. This one is either of us. The second one I think is me. Oh Super secret segment. Okay. No, not that. Okay. Let's get the sponsor spot done The threat locker is the sponsor of the WAN show today. Oh, look at you Is your hand hovering over that phishing email again? Okay, Dennis, that is not how that works. The screen doesn't explode and break. You're pretty sick of it dead.

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Yeah. All red, do this right after Threat Locker. Super secret segment. Shhh. It's a secret. Source Luke and Dan. Don't tell Linus. I literally have no idea what this is. What are you guys talking about?

Okay, well, just me and Nick. Wait, what? What's going on? Sherrod is here and Nick is here. Yeah, we have a special delivery that a friend is gonna come in and deliver to you Right the second so if you wanna what come in and pass it over. Let's make sure the camera can Can see what you're looking at here. I Know I genuinely have no idea. It says source Luke. What? Yeah, but I don't know what it says source Luke right here And Dan, I I don't I genuinely have no idea. It says source Luke what yeah, but I don't know what it says source Luke right here And then I I don't know You knew about it at one point, but you probably forgot. Oh, okay, I

Believe you, but I have I have zero memory Sorry who knew about it at some point he did or I I did? Apparently I did. You did, but I didn't. No, you have no idea. Don't we hold it for you? Um, I don't know. No, I'm good. Okay. Ah! Whoa!

Does it have money in it? Oh, yeah, I know. Okay. Oh, it's finally here! Oh, that's so cool! Wait, why does it have the meme picture on it? Oh, it's from Dbrand. Wait, why does Dbrand have our million order thing? What does that have to do with anything? They hacked the postal system.

What is this? What is this? What are you told for the lights? Okay, okay, so there, for the lights. Okay, okay. So there's a whole, it's a whole thing. Okay. Alright, thank you. BetterLTTStore.com. Yeah, Dbrand bought that domain a while back. Because they're big nerds.

Ow! Fuck, my fingers! Ah, that is so cool. This is it, guys. This is the Shopify equivalent of a YouTube play button. LTT. Congratulations, LTT store on reaching one million orders, December 30th, 2024. Wow, it's fricking solid metal.

At least it, I mean, it's got some solid metal in it. No, there's gotta be. Oh yeah, I know that it's hollow metal, but it solid metal. At least it, I mean, it's got some solid metal in it. No, there's gotta be. Oh yeah, no, that is hollow metal. But it's metal. It's definitely some metal. Dude, that is so cool. That is really, really cool. I'm gonna put it on my wall.

You have to leave that one here. What do you mean I have to leave this one here? We have a cardboard one for you to take home. What do you mean cardboard one? No, I want a gold one. Can I get a gold one? I want a gold one. You can take home. What do you mean, cardboard one? No, I want a gold one! Can I get a gold one? I want a gold one. You can spray paint the cardboard.

What's that? Here's yours. What's that? These are yours. What's going on? You don't have to open it. It's the same thing. What? Oh, they're in the box.

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, it's not just a cardboard box. Oh. It's gonna get the Sharpie. Okay, well... He's opening it anyways. You guys want unboxing version two? This is in short circuit. Boxing peanuts, let's go!

Free snacks! I can't open it! Don't hurt your elbow again. You've been doing cardio activities at the gym, but maybe it's time to incorporate... We don't give line of sharp things. Why is the tape so fine? You break it it smart guy It's just gonna just shear it in half

I Softened it up for him. That was nothing dude. I loosened it up. I can give you shoulder Yeah, I miss your week I loosened it up for him Okay Oh yeah, find us your week. I loosened it up for him Okay Okay What's in here? It could be definitely peanuts everywhere Could be different. Oh god. Oh god. Oh god the packing piece everywhere I'll clean him up later. It's okay

What's this well What's this? Hold on, there's two things in here. Okay, all right. More than two things. Oh yeah, there's some other stuff. Oh, oh, oh, we get the whole unboxing experience this time. Okay, cool, cool, cool. So here you go, guys.

This is the box that comes in. Oh, oh. You get a money moves sticker pack You get a very close to mogul moves. Yeah, I noticed that actually You get a whatever the crap. This is I Can't tell oh, yeah. Okay. There you go. You get a little like milestone card signed by Harley Finkelstein. Who, I mean, yeah, sure.

Probably less, probably less controversial than Toby these days. (*laughing*) Something special awaits. Okay, what else we got here? Professional unboxer, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a, well look, normally here? Professional unboxer, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, look, normally as a professional unboxer, I have a bloody table to put the thing on.

There you go. There's our silver award. So I asked if, like YouTube, you can pay a little extra and get an additional copy of the award in case your narcissistic CEO needs to have one at his own house. And the answer, it turns out, was yes. Is it really a proper award if you have to buy it? I don't know. I think so.

I still think so. How much do we have to pay to get another... Oh, wow, product care. Look at that. Wow, what a racket. All right. I don't know, I don't know. Okay.

We apparently don't remember, we don't remember how much we paid for it, but there it is. LTD store, silver and gold baby. Do they have a higher tier? Would there have been an amount that you wouldn't have paid? No, that's it. Like how much would you have not bought it at?

I think that's why he probably doesn't know. Yeah, there's nothing. So we reached 100,000 December 20, wait, really? Wow, it was exactly four years apart. December 28, 2020. And then a million, December 30, 2024. So how many people have one of these? Does anyone know? I don't know. You don't know or you're not allowed to say? Ah, okay. Oh, someone from Shopify is here. Okay, cool. Toby's controversial.

And are you allowed to say how many gold people? No. But can you say, can you say- It's an exclusive club. Can you say if it's fewer than like YouTube gold play buttons? I would think so. Nice. Yeah.

Nice. I would think by a lot, to be honest. Yes. Nice. Also, it's okay. I have a terrible boss so. Nice. I would think by a lot, to be honest. Nice. Also, it's okay, I have a terrible boss too. I mean, I'm not his boss, so whatever. I don't care. Oh no, he's deflected it! No, it's bad!

Technically, that didn't even go to me. And if I am your terrible boss, it wasn't me. Wait, no. You deserved it. Yeah, we're bad at being narcissists. I forget how it goes. Speak for yourself. I'm great it goes. Speak for yourself. I'm great at it.

There you go. Thanks, Nick. Bye. All right, cool. Thank you. Thanks, Shopify. Congratulations. Oh, thank you very much. Thanks so much.

Nice to meet you. Do I still have them? Yeah, okay. Ah, so cool. I can't wait to put little shelves on my award wall and put them on it. I'm s... Ah, that's so cool.

A million freaking orders. That's pretty nuts. Wild dude. Didn't we have something like less than a hundred in 2018? It's come a long way. Yeah, that probably sounds about right. That's about a hundred or a hundred thousand. No, in 2018, like.

We started the store basically in 2019. 2019, yeah. It's actually available in 2018, but. Yeah, so it's gone through. 2018 like we started the store basically 2019 yeah Yeah, so it's gone through as you guys are about to see in the in the 20 in the 2020 Nick's holding the other gold one over there as you guys are about to see in the oh I was just about to turn it on there. We go. We figured it out. In the, how does LMG make money? Update. Creator Warehouse, the LTT store. It's a lot.

Has grown, I mean, Float Plane has grown in share. Yay. In the pie. You guys are gonna see that. So massive shout out to the Float Plane team and our floaters who are watching on Float Plane right now in the live chat. Thank you very much guys. They have grown.

LTT store has grown a lot. AdSense makes up a shockingly small amount of our revenue. Have you seen the pie? Yeah. You've seen the pie chart. I'm not gonna show you guys the pie chart because I'm gonna make you wait for the video. I think it's gonna be genuinely stunning for people that like don't do this.

I think it's going to be genuinely stunning for like our YouTube contacts to realize how little of our company's revenue comes from AdSense. Yeah. I think that depending on who you talk to at YouTube, they like think they swing a really big dick in terms of like their effectiveness for creator monetization some of them get it and There are other ones that are like Yeah, no. No, we know We know and like we're figuring out how to kind of work on it

But there's I've had conversations there stuff like shopping is a step in the right direction Absolutely. Yeah, I mean that's something I've something I've been pushing them for for eight, nine years. Like, hey guys, you need to get over whatever the ego is that prevents you from working with, you know, other big tech brands. And you need to just like figure this out. You need to just integrate this stuff in the platform because TikTok came in and just ate their lunch on it. And so I think there's some of them that are going to figure it out, but there's other ones that I've talked to and I've basically said, hey, yeah, I couldn't help noticing that your monetization efficiency compared to what, you know, our business team who, you know, quite frankly is great. They work hard, they're personable, they understand

our product, they understand our processes, they build relationships, they do a lot of really good stuff. But every single one of them, we basically just recruited off the street, essentially. Like, we didn't bring in, like, seasoned industry, you know, advertising industry salespeople. They're just like guys, they're just like a bunch of gamer bros. The fact that they are so dramatically outperforming from like an RPM standpoint, like a revenue per thousand views standpoint, AdSense, to me means that AdSense is not that great,

not that we are like magic rock stars. To me, it means that if Google just across the board said, hey, yeah, your AdSense bids need to be higher. Do you think it has to do with skippable, like the skip button on ads and ad blocker? No, because it's, I think it probably partially contributes, especially on a more tech savvy channel like ours,

where people have the, cause like I think the percentage of people that are annoyed by ads is probably the same across a cooking channel and our channel. But the percentage of people who could take that annoyance and turn it into a pie hole deployment is gonna be a lot higher for us, right? Well, like we, I think we talked about this in the pre-show,

but Firefox very recently, like mega fumbled a update to their, what was it, terms and conditions or something. Yeah. And then their response to mega fumbling that was also not amazing, even though it sounds like it's probably not a huge deal. Relatable. Their response was really bad.

And what I've seen as a result of this is a lot of people switching from Firefox to Brave and also other people discovering that Brave exists, like Chrome users seeing the Firefox news cycle and going, oh, what is this Brave thing? And Brave has, as far as my understanding goes, I've never actually used it, has native ad blocking built into the browser. So like, yeah. Yeah, brave is, they also have, don't they have their like attention token and stuff too?

Like I forget exactly how all of that works. So don't, don't, don't quote me on it. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. So let't quote me on it. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, so let's not get into it if we don't sort of fully understand what their model is. I know practically nothing about that. But anyway, the point that I was trying to make

is just that, you know, to some of the people I talk at, talk at, talk to at Google, sometimes it does feel like talking at people. Some of the people I talk to at Google, they does feel like talking at people some of the people I talked to at Google They look at you know our our our business teams ability to monetize and they go well That's just you know your sponsors must be stupid to pay that much. I've literally heard that response from people at YouTube Whereas others look at that and they go. Oh, we're dropping the ball on that Yeah, because we could be doing 5x, 10x the RPM.

I mean, we know our creators not just in other segments, we know creators in similar segments that are charging more per view. Yep, absolutely. So what are you even talking about? Absolutely. And the thing is, again, I don't want to take anything away from our business team because they work hard and they really do take the time. They take the time to understand the brand. They take the time to understand our voice and our brand and our lines in the sand where

we're just like, no, we're not going to do that. We're not going to cross that. They take the time to understand that. They take the time to bridge that gap and that's work right but I also don't think that you know that none of them have a PhD in ad sales you know so I think this is replicatable I think it I think it could be done if you take the time all right well what are we supposed to be talking about? I think whatever we want. Cool. Oh, your Mac.

Ugh. It's time. All right, let's do it. So here's my... Here's the title for this segment. Mac OS is great. Unless you try to use it as a desktop operating system. Because my experience using the MacBook,

actually pretty solid, as long as I use it as a MacBook. But one of the things that I noted on the shopping video, where I went through all of my different options, was a prevailing sentiment from the audience was, Linus, right out of the gate, you're doing this wrong. Nobody buys a Mac mini and a MacBook, like two cheap devices. Anyone with an ounce of sense would buy one good MacBook

and then a dock. And so I kind of went, okay, that actually works pretty well for my month experiment because I don't really need. Kind of annoying to switch to my system. Because I wanted to use my Mac at home as well. And so what I'm gonna go buy like three Macs now, no. So no, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna deploy

the Mac mini at home. And then at work, where I carry a backpack, commuter backpack, lttstore.com, where I carry commuter backpack anyway, I'm just going to carry my MacBook around. I'm going to dock it in my office and then use it as a laptop. And what's been really nice about that is that I never have to think about charging this thing because it charges whenever I'm docked. I've got all my peripherals plugged in and the whole thing is really seamless. In theory. This is the

part where we get into what is just two days of notes and is already like two full pages of densely formatted text in my what things are like switching to Mac OS. And you know what? I wanna preface this. Calm the fuck down. This segment was helpful when we did the iPhones. I wanna preface this by saying a lot of these things I haven't even looked into a fix yet. Because right now, what I'm doing is I am experiencing Mac OS as it is out of the box.

Yeah. Okay? Well, actually there are a couple of things I've had to fix already because I just could not handle it. But for the most part, I haven't even tried to find mitigations yet. So that doesn't mean don't pipe in in the chat with your ideas about how I could fix them.

Absolutely, I wanna see see that because I want to have the best possible Mac OS experience. I'm just saying that if I say something that it turns out is not the case, it might be that I had a weird edge case, it might be that I haven't Googled it yet. These are raw notes. They're raw notes. Unlocking with the watch. Pretty nice. It's one of those things where like would I buy a watch expressly for that purpose? Absolutely not. But it is pretty convenient to just like sit down at my desk and my computer's unlocked. Because you're close.

Yeah, I mean, it's a lot more expensive than a webcam with Windows Hello face recognition, but like that's already built in anyways Yeah, well, I mean I well this uses touch ID So you just press the power button anyway unless you Doc and then don't press the power button But then also like managing the screen is a pain in the butt. I like it. Have you used a Mac recently? Okay, so when- Well, okay, my, the like, nice lady that lives across

the hall sometimes has computer problems and she has a Mac, so I try to fix them, but like, you know, I'm not using it for my own stuff. Did you know that if you plug in an external display and leave this open, you cannot turn this off? The only way to turn it off is to close it and leave it docked. The computer will stay on and you don't have to configure anything for that behavior. But your only options are mirror and extend.

You can't just be like, no, weird, be off now. Odd. And, dude, I cannot I cannot actually believe that this is still a thing. And, dude, I cannot actually believe that this is still a thing. But the way that it handles resolution configuration, you do not configure a display resolution and then configure scaling. You just set a resolution and it outputs the native resolution of the display, but scales it as if it were that resolution. Does it at least tell you what the native is? So I've had I don't know if it's my dock or if it's just macOS being a giant steaming pile of garbage

but sometimes... Sometimes docks can confuse things. Sometimes when I plug in it knows that 4k is the maximum and remembers that the last time I configured it to 4k so that I have lots and lots of screen real estate and sometimes it comes up with these like oddball rando resolutions. It doesn't seem to be related to which port, which are my two ports I plug into. So I'm not ready to make a statement there. Let's go through some of your things.

Well, I mean, I am. That's what I'm doing. That's one of them. So, but what's inconvenient about that is that say say I had a display like my one that I have, which is a 4K 165 Hertz display or 144 Hertz or something like that. That's your work desk monitor? Yeah, it's a 42 inch OLED. I only have one. How many monitors do you have at work?

Well, across both my desks. Okay, yes. I have three. Okay, so I have one monitor. So calm down. So I have one monitor. It's a nice monitor, but it's one monitor. So on a PC, I would be able to make a choice.

Let's say I had a slower, you know, earlier generation HDMI link. I could say, okay, hey, run it at 1080p. Let the display scale. Or use like four to one pixel perfect integer scaling, that's the word I'm looking for, and then run it at 120 hertz. Or I could say run it 4K, run it 60 hertz, I'd rather have the resolution. On a Mac, I cannot find an obvious way to do that.

And I will look into it. Someone's sending me a Synaptics product, DisplayLink graphics. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna have it. Someone's sending me a Synaptics product, DisplayLink graphics. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna have to. Who knows? I'm gonna have to start making some notes here, guys. Oh my goodness, chat's moving too fast.

Anyway, on macOS, there's not an obvious way for me to deal with that. And that's pretty frustrating. I can't find an obvious way to even configure 120Hz in the first place. Like my external monitor just runs at 60Hz, but I can't tell if that's because the HDMI port on my dock is limited to that or not. So I haven't really looked into that in detail yet. Alright, so what else we got here? So I haven't really looked into that in detail yet.

All right, so what else we got here? Oh my god. Okay, this makes me legitimately extremely angry. So Luke, go ahead and like scroll this document, you know, in a way that you would, you know, two fingers on the trackpad, you know, like you would. Okay, that feels right, right? in a way that you would, two fingers on the track pad, like you would. Okay, that feels right, right? Okay, so that is Apple's natural scrolling, right? So where up is down and down is up, like it was a touchscreen. Okay.

Okay, and that's the default behavior. But if you haven't used a Mac in a while, you might not know this. If you plug in a mouse, it's the same. Down is up and up is down on the scroll wheel, which no is not how that's ever worked in the history of anything other than on Apple's like touch mice. Okay, you can change that. No problem. You can change that. You can change it from natural to not natural but if you change the toggle for your mouse it changes it for your touchpad and If you change it for your touchpad it changes it for your mouse. Oh

my god, why? That's pretty like why they are not the same thing That's pretty... Like, why? They are not the same thing! People are pointing out you can use Linear Mouse or another free software. It won't toggle both. Yes, I will note that down and I will use that. I should not have to do that.

That should be a thing that just... and the stupidest part is that if you go into the system settings, they are two completely separate menus. There's one for track pad. And when you have a mouse plugged in, the mouse menu appears and you go in there and that option is there. They are two separate sub menus.

But when you change them in one, it changes it in the other one. I found it kind of interesting because Windows is kind of like last place right now in regards to, in my opinion, how often people do customizations to OS functionality. Not that that's a race that you necessarily want to win, I don't know, but like, I never really hear people talking about like, I don't know, rain meter is more just like stylistic. But there's been a lot of things over the years that you can

do to Windows to make it work in different ways. And Linux is obviously somewhat famous for it. But you always hear like if you express any issue with Mac, people know about some app, probably paid, that you can get that'll solve your problem. It might be like three bucks or something, like it's probably not a huge deal, but damn. I just, I shouldn't need that to do something that Apple literally built the functionality for, but then just decided to half arse it.

Oh man, here's one that I had to fix right away. I do think this moss thing that people are linking, I think it's free and open source, so that's cool. I installed sensible side buttons on the first day. Sensible side buttons? Yeah. What does that mean? Because by default, my third party mouse, just a Logitech SuperLite,

didn't have back andforward functionality on the side buttons They just didn't do anything. It's like brother The first mouse I ever owned With a side button on it to go back in the browser and in file explorer and stuff worked immediately came out in 2003 That was I kid you not, 22 years ago. To plug in a mouse and not have it immediately, immediately understand back and forward is,

well, insane. It's not sensible. There, that's what I was looking for. It's not sensible, there. That's what I was looking for. It's not sensible. So I have a third party app that will fix that. Someone says, not even with Logi options installed? I don't care. No.

No other Linux, Windows, like, fucking Android, okay, you could plug in a mouse and the basic buttons will work. Yeah, sure, you're like macro functionality or whatever, probably won't. And you know how sensible side buttons works? It emulates like a three finger swipe because the functionality doesn't appear to exist

for the mouse in Mac OS. That's just negligent. That is negligent. W. Calderini says Apple really, really, really wants you to use the Apple mouse and that's nice and if they want that then they should build a mouse that doesn't destroy my wrist. That's not an option for me. I literally will not use that. Or you need to like help this turtle in order to charge it. You still have to do that, don't you? Yes. This is great. One of my notes says,

repeat rate is so slow for keys like backspace. Oh my God, I need third party software. Dude, holding down the backspace, excuse me, delete key, is infuriating. I am like, I am literally like dying as I wait for the cursor to nom up all the characters that I've typed. It looks like I need third-party software for that but I have not really looked at that. I've not looked at that. Of course. Let's see what else we got. I ran into a super weird bug. Oh I

did I pull you in to show you this? The the text clarity bug. No, I think yes, I did. Yeah, dude. That was very odd. That was weird I took a video on my iPhone. I'm not gonna send it to you guys right now. I don't understand what even happened Yeah, like the the browser rendering like Completely bunged up but only a part of it super buggy. It was only in certain tabs. So it was definitely browser related It seems like a safari bug and I'm yes, I'm using Safari because I am having that's its own challenge the Mac experience Speaking of speaking of rendering Browsers on here. I should say I'll send this one. I'll send this one to Dan. This will be a teaser like dude

Apple seriously, this is a genuine conflicts of interest be damned. Apple, I am genuinely offering to come in and work for you guys for a week as a consultant. I will give you a to-do list of just sensible ass fixes that you guys can make to macOS that will genuinely improve the experience of your product, I will do it for free. I will come down to Cupertino, I will do it for free. And I guarantee you, based on how much stuff that I found in like three hours, it will be some of the most valuable time that your developers have ever spent with anyone.

Because I don't know what it is. Is it that your users are afraid to tell you this stuff or that they just or that your staff doesn't care or people are just so used to these stupid workarounds that they just they don't see them anymore? I don't know what it is, but you clearly need an outsider's perspective because the fact that Dan check this out. What the heck? No. Did you see the thing I just sent you in teams? Okay, so bring it up. I didn't realize he had sent you something.

So when he was like. Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave. Oh, cause the padding thing. Seeing this. Look, the Apple logo is cut off. Oh, no way. Look at this. The top left here.

It's not cut off. No, it's not. Sometimes, sometimes, the logo gets cut off. Wait, really? Why does it move at all? What a great question, Luke! It's OLED safe, like the WAN banner. Yeah, why does Overscan exist? I don't know.

I'm sorry. OLED safe logo and it just goes off the screen. Isn't that wild, dude? Isn't that wild? You know, I would respect it if it was OLED safe, but the fact that it would go off the screen was insane. Yeah. And it's just the logo, not any of the other top art text.

And you look how much padding it has on my built-in display. Yeah, it's a lot. Initially, I thought, I was like, oh, you know what it probably is, is because Apple has their stupid rounded displays, and this is a square corner one or something. That's not it, because I went and checked on Alex's system, because he's also doing the 30-day challenge, and this is a square corner one or something. That's not it because I went and checked on Alex's system because he's also doing the 30 day challenge and his is fine and he has never seen it. How do any of their

products have bugs? They only have to make them for one device. It's just trying to be nuts. It's wild. Disk management is terrible. I mean disk management is kind of terrible on Windows as well but I had a Linux formatted USB drive, and I basically put it in and it like read all the files and everything, but I couldn't copy anything to it. I couldn't erase it. I couldn't reformat it. The flow was wrong. So when I couldn't do it, it sent me to a tool that didn't even bring me to the USB drive. It just took me to the system settings for my boot drive. Completely useless, completely sent me in the wrong direction. It might as well have been like a fix-it wizard

from Windows XP, completely useless. Oh man. Cypher Colt said, is it a pixel shift to protect the panel? No, Dan and I were just talking about that. Oh, absolute joke, yeah, no. Even if it was, you wouldn't have to make it go off the screen. Well, no, the panel would do it. Oh, I see, I see.

So Apple wouldn't be able to control that. But it's only the logo. Based on the other things that are on the screen, that's not what happened. I will double check. I will make sure before I actually, you know, crucify Apple for cutting off their own logo in their interface. Well, that doesn't fit the design language.

And as you said, Steve would be rolling over. Steve would be livid if he saw the Apple logo get cut off. Livid. And that's not even like debatable. You literally cannot debate this. Imagine. Oh yeah. There's no way. Like people would potentially be fired

over something that egregious. You do not. Screaming. You do not do that. Gray Sim says it's not only the logo and I think you might be right So I think it might be down to the weird display scaling issues that I'm having so I will investigate But it shouldn't happen. Can you show the kind of display scaling? Yep Yeah, I think there's less margin on top of Safari as well

They're definitely either way either way I will look into it But this is not a desired behavior, and I think that's too much to be a lead pixel shift, but I will check, I will check. But oh my God. They're definitely right, it's not just the mouse. The acceleration on the mouse scroll wheel. That's the first thing I asked you.

Is infuriating, infuriating. If you do it, because they use- I didn't even realize because they use momentum, like on a touch interface. And it's ironic, right, for computers that don't have touch screens. Touch pads. Yeah, they have touch pads.

So it uses, what? Start listening. Can you not close that? Yeah, this is amazing. Okay, welcome to Apple Music. What? Start listening. Can you not close that? Yeah, this is amazing. So they have, you know, they have like closed this thing, you know, interface, but oh, oh, oh, sorry, you want to, oh, okay, no, well, yeah, sometimes, sometimes the red button just like goes away and you need to use the top bar because like I talked about this a

lot in my in my iPhone challenge video where it's like look if you want to have your logic for doing things fine fine there needs to be consistency if you're gonna have your little stoplights and the red one closes this window and you you saw that it literally had the stoplights but the red one closes this window, and you saw that. It literally had the stoplights, but the red one was grayed out. Blanked out the red one. F***ing why? If you know it's supposed to be there,

you clearly know what I wanna do, let it close. No. But no, I have to go up to the top. You're not allowed. That's not okay, That is just bad design. And again, it's not debatable. Is command Q like alt F4? Yeah.

Inconsistent design is bad design. That's it. Someone in chat saying command Q everything or else it doesn't fully close the application. Dan, do you want to get rid of the screenshot? Oh, sorry, I forgot. I thought command Q was more like control W and then there's like command something Q,

which is more like alt F4. I don't know. I haven't had to use it yet. It's been a long while. Unsure. Let's see, what else have we got? Oh man, the acceleration on the scroll wheel. I haven't looked into that one yet.

Hopefully there's a fix for that, but it is infuriating. Oh, it's more like control Q on Linux. Okay. I mean, that makes sense. Command W, so that's like Control W on Windows. Capturing screenshots was pure pain the first time I did it because basically, ugh, this actually still makes me mad. I asked Alex, which was my first mistake, and he goes, oh, it's Command Shift 5, I think, or something like that.

No, no, no, no, he told me 3, I think. It's Command Shift 3 to get a screen, yeah, there you go. So it pulls up the screenshot here. And then I was looking at this interface, and there's like no obvious way to save this, right? So there's like share, which is not really what I wanna do, delete, markup, whatever this means, and close. So there was no like obvious way to save it.

And I was like, okay, so like, is it saved already? Is it saved automatically? So I went- But they don't have the traffic lights for close? It's just like an X? Yeah, don't worry about it. It's really, really good UI design. That's weird.

I didn't even notice that part. That's good though. Yeah. Anyway, I was like, okay, well, like did it save somewhere here? I'll just open finder and I'll find out. But my Finder wasn't like that, it was like this. So I opened Finder.

Wait, what? Is it behind the screen? And then I was like, okay, did it open? Here, new Finder window. But it didn't do it like that, it did it like behind it again. So I was like, what? What?

But I can move this, hold on. If I click on it twice, first you have to click on a window to make it the focus window. Oh. Then you have to click again in order to move it. And then I was like, okay, finders, sorry, it's behind this. And then, oh man, I ran into a really funny one. So I was able to, oh, I forget.

I was able, did I, I think, did I screen record this? I was able to edit the text in this window unless I had this one as the focus, I forget. But basically I could interact with a window behind it except when I couldn't. And so it's just an, and what's funny is that this one, this screenshot preview, it's like an app, like you can you can mark up a screenshot and you can share and you can do

this stuff. But it also isn't an app. Because if you look up at the top bar, it's still Safari up here. So I cannot quit this app. Yeah, people are saying that's what Apple calls a preview window that stays on top of other windows. Couldn't tell you why they do that. I mean, yeah, that's a feature in Windows as well. They just don't use it very often because it's incredibly annoying.

Yeah. It's really, really, it's a really bad experience. Well, what it is, is it's an inconsistent experience. A lot of people are saying that you don't have to click twice, but I mean, I've seen him do it like a million times. And when he tries to select it the first time, literally nothing happens. So I'm not sure. Maybe that's a configurable thing. Maybe it's depending on where you click, because I'll usually go for the bar and I'll want

to move something. And it looks like I have to make it the focus and then click again. It doesn't... Yeah, Bonkeys is saying I haven't clicked twice in ever ever I mean you guys just watched me do it so I and I have what to be clear Yeah, obviously he is clicking twice We've seen him click twice, but I've seen him try to click once and it doesn't do anything so Yeah, so well pepkac error, but you guys sorry we need why Guys literally watched me try to drag it there like I did try to do it And it didn't work and I had to go back and get it and move it.

Maybe it's clicking on the name of the window? Maybe. So you can't click just anywhere on the bar, you have to click right on the name? Maybe there's a particular spot. This is one that needs more investigation, but I've definitely run into it. Okay. Apparently, command shift 4 is like snipping tool where you can select a portion of the way.

Yes, well that's why I said part of my problem was I listened to Alex, who's a new Mac user. So he said five. Command shift, no he said three. So command shift five is also pretty good. That brings up like screen capture, which is built into Mac OS. That's cool.

How is it even possible that screen capture is not built into Windows? Yeah, you know that's that's genuinely cool. How is that even possible? Every Windows user is just OBS built. Like unbelievable, they should not have to be. It's like one of the first apps I install on my computer now. OBS's interface is so obtuse compared to you know something slick and built in. That genuinely like looks really nice. Yeah. That's cool. Like it's unreal. Urban Fervor says I think it's built into Windows 11 now. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to check. I have not seen an

obvious place for it. Someone says Windows G. Isn't that the game bar? Hold on. Yes, it's built into the game bar. Oh my God, I hate the game bar. Literally, the game bar is so horrible that I would never wanna use it. It's also Windows Alt R. Windows Alt R, yeah.

Windows Alt R. I use Windows Shift S all the time for taking screenshots, too. I think it's working. Well, where all the time for taking screenshots too. I think it's working. Well, where's the interface for this? I don't see it at all. Oh, it's hot right for me. Oh my God, you have to hot, wait, no?

How do I? If you hit Windows R again. How the hell do I like interact with this thing? You don't. Well, that's stupid. Just stop the recording with the same shortcut. I clicked the stop recording it's it's just gone. I'm assuming. It's in videos Sorry was it Windows alt R. I think that's the recording one Windows shift R. Windows no Windows alt R Yeah, Windows alt R, and it just then it just like goes. How the hell do you configure it?

Recording So mine worked yeah, just when you click stop it just goes to your videos folder under captures. Man, is Windows search ever useless. That feels a little clunky. Searching for recording yields record audio when I record a game. You capture mouse cursor in game, game captures maximum recording length, fix some problems with the game bar settings. Okay, game bar settings I think is maybe what I was looking for. Help with game bar.

Looks like no. Oh my God, why is this so hard to find? Stop. I love computers. Windows G. Okay, so like, can I configure it here? Settings. Oh, don't do that.

Settings, hello? Capture settings, maybe? Oh, was that the settings? Did I make the settings go away? Did I click? No. I think settings is what you recorded last time actually. Settings. Seriously. Oh no, that's what it will record. Yeah, no, I'm trying to click this and I can't. No, no, no, no, no, no. That is not a settings button. It's because's because the window below you what you're going to record is settings like mine says the perpetual WAN show livestream document

Oh hilarious that Wow. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, you just yeah gaining features This is horrible. Why is this so hard to just configure? Someone said it's built into snipping tool. Oh settings in the bar at the top top, top right hand corner of the bar. Yeah, I know, I found it. That's it right here, but it's not in there. Like, there's no configuration for screen recording. How is this so stupid? Oh no. It's like people don't use these products, you know? Okay, so uh... Windows Shift R is the better one. Isn't that what we just did? Snipping tool. Oh yeah, no no, snipping tool can do...

Oh, but snipping tool is record. Okay, settings. Yeah, I haven't played around with snipping tool much lately. Been a Sharex guy for a while. Here we go. Okay. HDR color corrector. Okay, this has some stuff in it. Where the devil do I like change any encoding settings or anything? I think that's a no. Okay. Yeah, this could be better on Windows as well.

Like again, I've said this a lot of times and for some reason it doesn't work but I'm gonna say it again just for fun. Just because I have a bunch of gripes about macOS does not mean in fact that I hate hot dogs. Or actually no, it doesn't mean I like hot dogs. I might hate everything. Everything might be terrible.

Everything is awful. So yeah, this is something that is, could obviously be better on the Windows side of things. All right, what else, what else we got here? Oh dude, the fact that the Mac App Store and the Safari extension store are jumbled together is mind blowing to me. That sounds horrible.

I searched for keeper in the app store and it came up with a Safari extension and a desktop application. Are you kidding me? Is that that bad? Yeah, that's really stupid. Why is it that bad? Especially because it wasn't obvious.

Ah, okay. I was gonna say is it clearly delineated? Like one of them was obviously for Safari and the other one was just like Keeper. It's like, okay, so I've got Keeper and Keeper for Safari. What does that even mean? Solve that with just like a pretty simple tagging system. Yeah.

Seems easy to solve. Yeah, definitely. Not that they've done it, but. Yeah, it seems very, very solvable. Yeah. Oh man, volume adjustment doesn't work on my external display definitely need a little bit more Diagnosis there but literally doesn't work with my scroll wheel on my keyboard Doesn't work with the with the volume adjuster in the corner like it's there, but it's just grayed out

It's kind of like when you connect to a Bluetooth speaker And it just kind of maxes it out assuming that you'll do volume control on the external device except that configuring volume level on the like nipple on the bottom of my monitor is not very convenient for me because I use my monitor's built-in speakers. Very annoying. Some other people in chat are saying they have some issues with that as well. Apparently I need Display Buddy to fix some of my issues. I'm gonna write down Display Buddy here. Why do you have to install so many programs? Right, I thought it just works.

Doesn't it just work? I thought it just works, right? Doesn't it just work, Dan? Isn't that Todd Howard? Oh my God, paste as plain text is not a right click context menu option. You have to press, and I kid you not, Command, Alt, Shift, V. What? No. not a right click context menu option, you have to press, and I kid you not, command

alt shift V. What? No. It's also apparently not supported everywhere. So there's a horrible terminal workaround that I found on Reddit. So when in full plane chat, I lost their message, but they mentioned that like this segment was painful because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and no Mac users use Safari. What are you even talking about? 2023 Safari was the second most used web

browser and the amount of people that have Macs versus other types of PCs is like way lower. So as far as my understanding goes, a naturally huge percentage of Mac users use Safari. It's really a huge percentage of Mac users use Safari. It's really, really, really interesting to hear people say, no one, this thing that I don't do. Yeah. I guarantee you that if no one was using Safari on the desktop. Safari mobile, interesting point.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, Safari mobile is definitely a thing, but people definitely use Safari. Don't kid yourself. People thing, but people definitely use Safari. Don't kid yourself. People just, many people just use whatever the included apps are on their computer or phone or whatever. Like why do you think Internet Explorer,

in spite of being such a steaming pile of garbage for so many years, held onto its market share? Deal has like 10%. Because people just use whatever's in front of them Do not kid yourself people use Safari All right, what else we got here no, it's desktop users apparently almost 12% of desktop user market share is Safari Yeah, that's like that's such a that's such a non take that people don't use it Oh man That's such a non take that people don't use it Oh man

Middle click press to get like a scroll thing when you move your mouse and scroll Not a thing Such a downer. That's annoying. I use that a lot. I use that all the time So a lot of very conflicting stats on browser market share I don't know. I don't know which one of these is right, but the someone definitely uses it. That's all you need to know. Yeah, someone definitely uses it. Yeah. So I mean, there's, I'm going to find all kinds of things I like maybe eventually, I haven't really found any yet. But I'm sure something I'm going to like something about it. I definitely like the hardware. Like the MacBook itself is great.

Always has been really, to be honest. PC laptops have been struggling forever basically compared to MacBooks. HP's got a really cool one that uses the same. Those fingerprints on that screen are like actually bothering me. Yeah, I know, right? It's not even a touchscreen, why are they there? Watch this. I'll clean it after. Steve is rolling his grave because

of that. Yeah I know right? Maybe that's why they're not touchscreens. Oh yeah HP has a super cool machine that uses the same processor as the the new framework desktop. Strix Halo from AMD. That thing looks sick in a framework investment disclosure, but man, that HP machine looks amazing. It's one of only three devices I've seen so far with Strix Halo, and as far as I can tell, I just love Strix Halo,

and everything should just have Strix Halo now. As long as you don't mind the price, it's very, very expensive. It's... I don't know, actually. I saw it at CES, but that doesn't mean that it's out. Yeah. No, reviews just dropped, like earlier. Z2, ZBook, ZBook, Strix'm not I'm not seeing anywhere to buy it yet Does anyone know if you can actually like buy this thing yet, what is it called again? Let me see Zeebook ultra 14 GI What a name I know right

Zeebook ultra 14 here it is mobile workstation PC coming soon yeah not yet but this thing looks freaking awesome like it's it's what is this I scrolled and it opened a freaking video no oh I must have accidentally clicked yeah 50 NPU top rise in AI max up to four terabytes of storage 128 gigs unified memory let's go Dude this thing looks incredible. It's in the battery life is actually decent and according to Alex the performance is still pretty okay Looking comparatively the USB ports it looks like they didn't 100% high prioritize thinness which I'm actually kind of down with yeah, it doesn't look thick Well, they needed I mean this thing will do up to 120 watts, Strix Halo.

So I think they landed, don't quote me on this, I think they landed around 75 for this chassis. Apparently Tom's hardware says $2,700. It's not going to be cheap. I mean, that's the thing is I've seen a lot of criticism toward framework investment disclosure For their their pricing just about the desktop in general And I've seen people dunking on them for the pricing But I think the thing that people are missing here is that this LPD dr5 that they're using in in this configuration with Strix

Halos LPD dr5 LPD dr5 X I can't remember. It's funny because you have to say that to show potential bias or whatever, but you having to say that is probably the most valuable thing to Framework. You haven't watched the video, have you? Nirav says that point blank. He's like, oh, that's great. The more disclosures, the better. Honestly, the consistency of it is insane. If any other laptop gets any talking point ever, Framework also gets a talking point. It's like, holy crap. Yeah, now that they make a desktop,

I think we legitimately have to kind of talk about how to deal with this because I can't do a Framework disclosure every single time I talk about a laptop or a desktop computer. But why don't we save that for for the actual like framework announcement section of the WAN show though. Anyway the point is people are giving framework a hard time about the desktop but they're actually being extremely fair about their pricing for the upgrades and their pricing in general like this laptop we're looking at what do you say starts at $2,800?

27 I think so are they yeah the framework desktop Actually, let's see is their site up is it frame dot work. Yeah But but but but but desktop here we go Pre-order now Yeah, this thing starts at like 1600 bucks. And yes, it doesn't have a display. And yes, you have to add your own storage and OS, but like it's still pretty good, all things considered. Yeah.

Okay, what are we supposed to do, Mr. Dan? Let's explain Merch messages and do some announcements. Merch messages. Today is a very special day to send a Merch Message. It is. We got some respite in terms of tariffs from our friends down in the States. And we are making the absolute most of that

by moving up our schedule for our annual tax write-off sale event. Have you ever wanted to bother Dan? That's right friends, you can save on our inventory over stock. I'm sorry, this isn't the Lime Day sale. This isn't the Linus inventory management experience. This is the tax write-off sale. You can save on our tax write-offs on, well, inventory that we have that we need to get rid of. And you can avoid any future price increases due to future tariffs, potentially asterisk.

We have no idea what's gonna happen because everything is topsy-turvy and unpredictable these days. And if our costs do go up substantially, some items could be price-adjusted in the future, but what they definitely are not is price-adjusted today. If you place an order today, you will receive that order at the price that you paid for it. And to celebrate the tax write-off sale, we are

tax writing off some shipping costs. That's right, my friends. If your order exceeds 175 US dollars, you will get free shipping to Timbuktu, or anywhere, really. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to be in Timbuktu. There's lots of places.

It took me a long time to realize that that was an actual real place. I know, right? I not just made up, I had a bit of a cry on the floor. Oh wow. Yeah, no Timbuktu real place. So guys. Put on your shirt. Now. Oh yes. I got you Artie. So now is as good a time as any to place an order on LTTstore.com and if you're gonna do it Why don't you send a merch message? Merch messages are the way to interact with the show. We don't do twitch bits, we don't do super chats, we do merch messages. All you gotta do to send one is go to LTTstore.com,

add an item to your cart, like say for example the Tech Bro vest which is on sale for... I forget. I forget. I don't know, whatever. I think it's 50% off. Like I think it's very aggressively priced. So the Tech Bro vest is on super sale or you could pick up one of these probably never to be reordered Mac address button up shirts

which are also deeply discounted. You add one of those to your cart and a little Merch message box will pop up. That'll go to producer Dan, who will reply to your message with his broken fingers. He's already, a lot of people figured out the tax right off sale before we talked about it on the show. So he'll reply to it or he will curate it

for me and Luke to talk about, or he will send it to someone who can get you an answer or whatever the case may be. All the deals that you're supposed to say were written out on the dock and you got some of them wrong. Well, where are they? On the dock. I don't see them. Right in the announcement as a tax write-off section.

Oh yeah, I see it. Well, I didn't scroll far enough. So it's, what are we looking at? Oh, 60% off the Tech Bro vest and 50% off the MAC address Oxford shirts. This deal literally dropped right now. We've also got $25 mystery hoodies, $10 mystery t-shirts, over 60% off the off-site laptop bag. That is a killer deal. It's a really, really nice laptop bag. 25% off the more comprehensive MCM Essential Solution with 60% off the MCM Starter Solutions. We have 10 bucks off the ScribeDriver Bolt Action Pen, and wow, you get a free shaft extension with your stubby screwdriver. We don't want you to feel inadequate.

What else is there for us to say? Yeah, free shipping, orders over $175, and we're happy to announce that more commuter backpacks will be available to ship starting next week. So that could be an easy way for you to reach that tax write-off sale shipping threshold. Nice. Nice. Should we do the other announcement after MerchMessages?

I think so. A lot of people figured that one out before we actually talked about it on the show as well. Commuter backpacks are selling like, Yo. Little hotcakes. Yo, yo. You guys, yeah, you guys figured it out.

Well, good for you. Anywho, yeah, my loss, your gain. Let's do some Merch messages. Sure, I've got a couple for you here. Finally able to catch the WAN show live. Oh wait, hold on one second. Mystery t-shirt is one of the best selling ones. Crystal pointed out, also there's a bunch of cool stuff in the bonus bin.

I'm not gonna tell you what's in there. But she's right. There's some really cool stuff in the bonus bin. Jammon says backpack enamel pin is $250. Yes, it comes with a backpack. That's a meme. Don't worry about it. Whoa, the bonus bin.

What do you call them? We don't have to show it, but wow. Product upsell items. Yeah, so the bonus bin is stuff that you can get for free with your order. These are not cheap things. Okay, cool. Yeah, neat, right? So the bonus bin is stuff that you can get for free with your order. These are, these are, these are not cheap things. Okay, cool. Yeah, neat, right? Good luck.

Yeah, neat. Good stuff, right? Tax write off. Yeah, tax write off sale. Time to write, time to make some money by writing off taxes. Yes, pure profit. Pure profit.

Okay, Mr. Dan, hit us. Sure, I'm finally able to catch a live WAN show again. What is the difference between NVIDIA and the AMD GPUs that make NVIDIA so much better at ray tracing? Well, they have dedicated hardware for ray tracing and they are a solid entire generation ahead of AMD in terms of developing their design. Nvidia was the one that, yep, they're the tip of the spear in terms of pushing ray tracing into the mainstream. They worked with developers, they worked to build the hardware that can do it back when they launched the RTX 20 series.

So like when did the RTX 2080 launch? Like that was a thousand years ago, September 20th, 2018. Nvidia has been beating this ray tracing drum for over six years now and AMD is playing catch up. And that's what happens when someone else goes and they innovate a feature and you kind of go, oh, crap. And you sort of implement it mostly in, I don't want to say software because they were

definitely still using hardware to do it in the early generations, but you know, essentially using more general purpose compute in order to handle ray tracing, then you kind of, you know, you build some ray tracing hardware, but it's your first crack at it that just it just takes time to catch up and video was all in on ray tracing right right out of the gate with the 20 series and That has paid off for them for gamers that appreciate ray traced lighting which isn't all gamers But certainly is some gamers. I talked to some folks that are like, I think it looks worse I hate the lower FPS and that's totally their prerogative, but I talked to other people They're like I won't play a game without ray tracing on.

That's a thing. And you don't have to agree, but you do have to understand and acknowledge that that's a thing. And for some people, it has a lot of value. Oh yeah, more merge messages. Sorry. If no SATA 4, why no U.2?

Instead on motherboards for expanded storage? M.2 drives waste limited board surface area. They're okay for low profile laptops, but desktop cases have room for mounting hard drives. That's a good question. Why don't we just mount drives in drive bays and use cable interfaces? Well, one of the reasons that we wouldn't wanna do that is SATA cables are cheap. U.2 cables are not.

It's a really high-speed signal, and putting it directly on the board means that the trace length is gonna be much lower. If you were to try it, I think the last time that U.2 was really present in mainstream consumer boards was PCIe Gen 3. Did we ever see Gen 4, like U.2, really take off on consumer boards? Can you guys think of anything?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but it's an expensive connector, it's an expensive cable because it's a super, super high-speed interface, and the commodity consumer computer industry, guys, we're talking fractions of a penny of savings sometimes that influence design decisions. SATA was cheap. SATA was cheaper than IDE to implement because it required so many fewer conductors. It's like, where does innovation come from? It comes from cost savings. M.2 is relatively affordable to implement because the trace lengths are so low in order to maintain those data speeds. So I would say that U.2

is just simply not happening on consumer. And the only reason to have a U.2 drive would be if you need like a shed load of NAND flash chips. Otherwise, you can cram as many as you would want on an M.2. Like you could buy buy eight terabyte m.2 s The only impediment to doing that is the cost so are you gonna tell me that people need a 40 gigabit or a 40 gigabit a 40 terabyte drive Like no, they're not gonna be able to afford that anyway. So what are we even talking about? We don't need to build a 2.5 inch drive for this and they do do exist. You could buy an enterprise drive,

and you could put it in your computer. You could put a card into your PCIe slot, and you could run like a U.3 off to your card or whatever. Or you can get an M.2 adapter. You can get a little M.2 carrier card, and you can put a U.2 or U.3 interface on there and run that off to a drive. I do that. But- We kind of knew those cables were gonna be brutal right away, because the second you feel it, it's like, that's expensive. Yeah. But I just don't think it makes a ton of sense

for consumers, especially when you consider the additional costs. Next one, Dan? Oh, it's only two in the middle. Oh, I don't, and I I'm going to move into sponsors now. No. We have an announcement. We have one more announcement.

We have an announcement. First of all, I think I covered this in the pre-show, but we are doing the hirings. I just wanted to remind people to check out the careers page on LinusMediaGroup.com. There is a variety of positions at Creative Warehouse and Linus Media Group that are up right now. There's gonna be a project manager role put up

for Float Plane in a bit. It's not up yet, but it's coming. At Creative Warehouse, they're doing a part-time photographer and photo editor, a full-time graphic designer and a full-time supply chain manager. All the Linus Media Group roles are full-time. There's two test technicians that we're hiring. So there's actually five job positions. Yeah. One full-time logistics coordinator, one full-time content writer for the labs and potentially other

technical content, things like short circuit, stuff like that. And a full-time testing coordinator. So go check those out. You want a link for the job posting no they're memeing okay I was gonna say I saw was memeing I saw is trying to trigger and that's the can I get a link to that job posting that's the barrier of entry immediately followed with slash s they knew how triggered you were gonna be immediately bothered me so I missus Luke's turning red I know I'm shaking from here was so upset. For Luke that is literally like the first IQ test that you need to pass to get a job at this company. There's a few too, but that's a that's an early fail.

And the next one is that the labs website has had a pretty major update. Oh, this is exciting. This is more of a topic. This is less of an announcement. Oh, okay. I mean, sure. Then we're doing this topic then. I don't know. Sure. Yeah. Let's talk about the labs website. It probably looks different

if you haven't seen it in a while. There's a lot of reasons why it's really cool. Honestly, Let's start with the buttons. Well, what I'm going to start with is that we had Dan, the leader of the Labs web team. Other different Dan. Yes. Not this Dan.

Other Dan. Luke's Dan, not Luke's Dan. Yeah. Bird Dan. It's confusing. So, and it has little GIFs showing off all the different features, and it's actually really well written.

So if you wanna really dive into everything that changed, this is probably the way to do it, to be honest. But if you're lazy and you want us to just do it for you, then we can do that. Here's the shoddier version. Yeah, what did you want to see? Buttons. Okay, these ones? Yeah.

So this was, I believe, an idea from Sebastian that was iterated on by Dan, and I love it, because what I believe it was Sebastian was pointing out is that the new categories page is fantastic and he wanted it to be surfaced more. So the idea was to put them down here and it's kind of nice in my opinion because this shows off the color coding. So do you see the colors of all the buttons here? If you scroll down and you see the tags

and the colored bars down here, they coordinate which I think is genuinely actually pretty sweet. But the new comparison page, I'm going to go into GPUs, for example. Sorry, not comparison page. This is a new categories page. So now we have this, you can see all of the different stats in here, and you can filter by a wide variety of different things. So you can be like- How many slots or what kind of memory? How much memory if you want, you know, a decent sized frame buffer?

Like I wanna, I want a card that's gonna fit in my like fairly small form factor case that has, I don't know. Yeah, this much memory. Okay, here's all the cards that the lab has tested. And that uses a power connector that doesn't light on fire Yeah So this is this is all the this is all the cards that fit that that filter are the columns customizable I don't think so No

But I don't know it is what is the compare bit over here. There you go. You've got your you've got your thing Hey, look, it has a tool tip. Yeah, that's cool. It's fast. So you can add to comparison yesterday. It's already done like near end of day to Yeah, yeah, no, that's sick. So you can add to comparison bin from here, which is awesome. So I mean, let's let's say this just narrowed it down to three things. I'm going to add the three top cards here. And then the comparison bin has also had Oh big update. This is my favorite one out of everything. So, well, okay, you can see this now. If you have like a mixture of things, you can select which

subset you want to see. So if you added like power supplies and mice and whatever you can you can do that. Click on detailed comparison and now the comparison bin looks like this. The photos don't automatically like destroy the viewability of all the data right away but you can show them if you want so you can see all the different photos and even scroll through the different photos of the different products that you're viewing. Tuck those away when you don't want them. A feature that took some tweaking to really like make it right, but I'm super happy with personally is the highlight differences button. So you can do this and then it shows you like what actually changes between them.

So like what do I need to like care about between these different cards? What's going to matter? What's going to change depending on what selection I have. You can see the graphs for all of them in here. The graphs are configurable as well, as always. Yeah, it's good stuff. I think you can even, yes, so you can take one of the cards off or put it back on. So if you don't want to reconfigure your entire comparison bin, but you're like, all right,

I'm not going to get this one, sucks or whatever you can you can uncheck that Yeah, it's it's pretty great the search is a lot better now than it used to be yeah I'm trying to think of what I'm mixing. I'm probably missing things I'm gonna go to Dan's article to figure this out It's gonna be a ton of work for us to get like, you know every card, you know populated in here, you know But the goal is still and we have not deviated from this mission. The goal is still to turn the labs website into just an absolutely incredible resource, whether you're buying something brand new, whether you're buying something off of Facebook Marketplace, to make it easy to make an informed decision. And there's been some setbacks along the way,

there's definitely been some mistakes, but make no mistake, labs- We're still cooking. The labs is still cooking, it's not finished, but it is absolutely still cooking, and we haven't lost sight of what the mission is and it's not to make money.

It's to create an incredible resource for the tech community. And it's been very frustrating, I think, to see a narrative built that like labs was somehow like a negative thing in some way. It was never meant to be a negative thing We are human and we've made some mistakes But man is it ever coming along trying to make it cool man. That is super cool one more cool thing to point out

I think I somewhat mention these but these these product cards have been updated as well You might remember earlier in the year. We added the the like blog section to the right here But the product cards over here have gotten an update as well. Very cool. And these, so now they don't just have the blurb, they also have the tags. This is another thing that went through a few iterations. There was an idea of just having the tags at one point, but that didn't really, it felt

like something was not really there. So I think Dan went through a couple of iterations and ended up on this one. I mean, I might be bias here, but I really like how this page looks and feels right now, personally. Just even having all the categories listed here, there's a sense of like... I feel a little guided. It feels full, it feels saturated, it feels good, there's stuff there. You know, categories, you can still find them under here, but they're not tucked away anymore. They're right here.

You can see the colour coding, it's right there. You can see the tags on here. So you can quickly identify if that one matters to you or not. But we're also not I we were having this debate on like if we put too many tags too much information on this section, it would almost dissuade people from yeah, yeah. Very cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With it pre selected as you can see right here. It would almost dissuade people from clicking into things and like effectively learning more. And one of the missions of the labs website is to give people a resource.

So we were almost worried that by surfacing too much information on the like card view that it could take away from what we want the site to do. If people are like, oh, you're just trying to like give people to click more. There are no ads on the site. Literally zero. And it's been like years. We gain nothing from keeping you here. We just actually want you to like find more information. We don't just want to surface level things.

We're expecting that someone coming to the labs website is looking for more and wants to go deeper. So we want to cater to that experience. But anyways, I'm incredibly proud of this. I think the web team has done an extremely good job. I think the website looks fantastic. And we're hiring. It's time to put even more resources into populating it.

The web team isn't hiring. No, sorry. But the local team is. The labs team is hiring. CMD Karini asks, is the long-term plan to subsidize labs content with LTT? Well, if it wasn't, boy, have we ever deviated from the plan. To the tune of seven figures, yes. Yeah, millions.

Depending on how you calculate it, it could be more than seven figures. Yes, definitely. And yes, Dark Rainbow, we want the labs to succeed and we are extremely committed to helping the lab succeed. There's even little things like, and I know this matters to like very few people, but I know this matters if you ask them to very few people, but I think it actually does matter. Like if I move my mouse over this card, the little arrow in the corner turns and the brand and model gets underlined. And if I highlight over the plus, whoop, little nice design, little nice little animation, like the site feels really smooth. There's when you go into you go into a, an, an article now, uh, like this section right here is going to go with you.

Whoop. Like everything just feels really nice. I, I don't know. It's fast. It feels good. It looks good. I'm very happy with the lab site. Yep. The sites, uh, the sites ready for a lot more product data. Yeah. Which is why we're, you know, hiring testers and hiring testing coordinators and the, we're getting product data. Yeah, which is why we're hiring testers and hiring testing coordinators and we're getting the labs.

Yeah, things are good. Krusty Trombone asks, is there a timeline for new component categories like main boards to be added? Right now, no. I think one of the big mistakes that we made was to try to go too broad too fast. So right now we are laser focused on the peripherals

that we have there now, power supplies, CPUs, GPUs, and getting ramped because like, I don't know if I've made this clear in the past, but our goal is not just to test every Ventus, Tri-Flow, Strix, like every version of every GPU, but to have enough capacity to do that and start making our way backward so that if you're upgrading,

you can literally take your current card and compare it to all of your different options to upgrade to. Now, it's obviously not going to be perfect, right? Because we might not run with the same CPU that you have in your system, but it will at least be a valuable point of reference. And that's our goal in the longer term. Another just little reminder to check out that blog post that Dan posted, it's well-written, the gifts are painstakingly crafted, and there's probably a couple things in there that I missed. So if you're interested in the lab site,

I would highly suggest checking that out. But yeah, man, it's starting to feel really good. There's still so much more we can do with the lab site, which is also exciting. Like as much as this makes it feel full and all that other type of stuff that I said, there's so many more features that could be coming down the line. I'm not going to name any of them now, but there's some really good ideas that will really continue to push the usability of the site and help people end up with a decision.

That's another one of the things that we've been talking about, like what does the lab site eventually need to be able to do? And it's been really interesting for information for a while, but as we move forward into the future, we wanna help you come to a conclusion more. Right now it's still in the great for information stage,

and we think stuff like that categories view that we're showing off can really push forward towards helping people come to a conclusion but there is still more that we can do and it's it's exciting to you know have more things to work on. Yeah, buddy. Let's go. OK, moving on. Oh, sponsor spot, I guess. Is that right? I think so. I don't know, Dan, you tell us. Yeah, you got a not a normal spot. It's a takeover.

Wow. We need to stop tossing the dock around. Sorry. My goodness. It's like scrolled me to the very top when something happened and stuff. Is it? It was wild. Anyways, Threat Locker has taken over this WAN show as you might have seen at the beginning of the show. So they take all the sponsors? They take all the sponsors.

Threat Locker. Is that who took it? Yep. Threat Locker. So they've taken over all the sponsors. They took over all the sponsors. So if I tried to talk about another sponsor, like it would... Threat Locker. You know, their security method... My mic would stop working if that...

Their security method is default deny. I won't talk about another... ...other sponsor. Fair enough. Okay, carry on. That was a... I'm pretty happy with that actually. That was pretty clever.

That was pretty good. That was pretty good. Anyways, Zero Trust World is one of the talking points that I can go over. So I went to Zero Trust World. Unfortunately, I missed actually some parts of it that I think were really probably cool because I flew into Toronto Pearson where that plane flipped over. So my flight was, my connecting flight was canceled so I missed like the whole first day. Could have been worse, could have been your flight. Uh, that would have been kind of cool.

I've already survived. I would have been down. You could have been talked about on the Internet. Yeah, he's never been talked about on the Internet. Never, never happened. They had some cool panels. They had hands on stuff that I had some fun with. They had cool guest speakers. They had Reggie Fils-Aime from from like ex-Nintendo. That pretty wild. I don't know. I really I think I talked about this on last one show but I liked the the ducky panels. They had hack five rubber ducky panels where we

we learned how to do a bunch of different stuff with those which was cool. What was like the best thing you learned how to do? Well they gave us a ducky and then age and I were sitting there and we ended up finding so back in the, if you've seen the channel's Superfund video, it's got a ton of views that you might have. In high school, I found this screen melting program online and then I messed a little bit and changed it slightly and kind of made it my own. But, you know, I didn't make the, I made fairly minor changes. There is a maintained version of the original source code online that updates it to support like multiple monitors and all that kind of stuff. You can find it on GitHub, it's just called Screen Melter. So I didn't have access to my version and there's a better version now anyway.

So we downloaded the executable from that. And I got it to run by having it just, it had to access the file on the computer. And AJ was like, well, that's dumb because we've plugged it into someone else's computer. The file is not going to be there. So we figured out how to get it to self-reference the rubber ducky itself for file storage. So you just plug it in and it screen melts, which is fantastic. Wasn't really in the scope of the presentation, but script kitty can Not quite, but I did take the beginning thing from somebody else

Anyways it was it was it was fun. We were messing around so defense. We took things a little bit well I mean that was a stage where it was like that, but I did actually do cool things to it I made it like network deployable and all this other stuff anyways Yeah, I was a little bit Luke oh to it. I made it like network deployable and all this other stuff. Anyways. What else did you do, Luke? Oh yeah, don't worry about it. Cool. Anyway, tell us more about ZTW. Yeah. There was, a lot of the main stage events were cool. The hack panels were probably the most interesting ones to me. It's funny how certain people like implicate themselves because they can't help boasting. Certain kinds of people.

I don't do anything anymore. It's been a long time. It's been like genuinely closer to 20 years than not. Like it's weird. It's been a long time since what? Nothing. Nothing. Anyways, on a panel at Zero Trust World, they announced the addition of some cool features. One of them is called Insights, allows you to collect data from millions of endpoints worldwide and present them as actionable information, saving lots of time that might be spent researching.

Web Control, which lets you build a library of websites from an always updating list of ones automatically identified as suspicious and blocks your endpoints from accessing them without permission. And patch management, which scans devices for outdated applications and inspects the proposed updates for anything that might make your environment less secure or unstable. And then lets you apply the patches according to your preset policies. So this is all a threat locker by the way. Yeah, threat locker as I previously mentioned is a default deny type system so it can be very useful at not letting something happen.

I don't have their exact talking points for this in front of me but the idea is that they're not reactive or their focus is not being reactive. It's on being proactive. So they try to block things before they can potentially even happen, which is pretty cool. They lean really heavily on the whole zero trust concept. Zero trust is not necessarily their thing. It's a concept that has existed for a long time. Um, there's products from other brands that reference the term zero trust, but I've always kind of liked that approach to things and they

embrace it very heavily. It's not like the kind of the core of their company. Um, they have a big emphasis on their support. Uh, they always have real people behind the scenes helping out with, with their platform and their whole cyber hero thing is, is. Yeah, that might've helped during the hackening. you can like you can like pull in support basically which is which is pretty great oh yeah there's a

note here this is maybe they could have helped during the hack yeah yeah honestly I don't technically know because we haven't used that yet sure his heck would probably yeah for sure to have someone. At least a reassuring extra set of heads. With a cool head. Yes, yes. Because I was not. It's often all you need to. Yeah.

Like just somebody who's like, I've been through this before. Yeah. It's gonna be okay. Let's take these steps and we'll work our way out of it. But yeah, it's cool. Excited. Yeah, so we'll be switching over to them

and we're pretty excited about that. Yeah. I got a couple quick things from the Float Plane chat here. Neomorph says, hey please tell me you know when the LTT store sale ends. And then in response, I'm going to give you this message from Jetpack Dan in the chat. No, the tech vest in my size is out of stock. It doesn't matter how long the sale event lasts if you see something you like you should probably order it because this is the write-off sale and Quantities are gonna be limited regardless of how long the sale event lasts, so you should probably move pretty quickly

I don't think we're going into back ordering for this stuff right? It's just when it's sold out. It's sold out Please address the, what I mean, we're not going to play a video. Yeah, that's not going to happen right now. Four hours ago. Sorry. Yeah, that's not going to be a thing. Um, apparently we may or may not have said things incorrectly about placebos on the last show. There's a video from somebody about it. Feel free to check it out if you want.

We don't really talk about medical stuff, so I'm sure if we said it wrong, it's our bad. We're a tech channel. It is what it is. Cool. All right. What else we got today? Do a new topic? Sure. Sick. Cool. All right, what else we got today?

Do a new topic? Sure. Sick. Okay, do you want good news or bad news? Good news. Okay. Eight sleep engineers backdoored your bed. Oh wait, no, that's not good news. Wait, hold on.

Wait, backdoored? It might be good news. Microsoft is shutting down Skype for good. I mean that's probably neutral. Neutral, let's go with neutral. Okay. Microsoft has confirmed that after 21 years, Skype is shutting down for good. This confirmation comes after users poked around

the latest Skype preview update and noticed text that read, starting in May, Skype will no longer be available. Continue your calls and chats in Teams. Or Discord. You know, some Skype users will already be able to log into Teams using their Skype credentials, while others should gain the ability over the next few days. Our discussion question here is, any good Skype memories?

days. Our discussion question here is, any good Skype memories? The LTT forum mod team used to meet over Skype and that was cool. It was pretty great. It was pretty great for a little while. Until the IP resolver bug basically made it unusable for us because we would have people call into the WAN show and then I forget the exact details but I think anyone who had the username of anyone in the call could resolve the IP address of the host of the call and so the WAN show would just constantly get DDoSed whenever we would try to have a live guest, which was basically why we stopped doing live guests for a long time.

We eventually figured out some mitigation that we will never, ever, ever talk about. But yeah, at Skype, any good experience I ever had with Skype, whether it was affordable long distance calling or using it as a reasonably high fidelity gaming chat, was more than any goodwill that I had towards Skype was more than wiped out by not just the existence of the IP resolver bug, but the long, long, long term persistence of the IP resolver bug.

It was a huge, huge issue. So yeah, sucked. Goodbye Skype. I wish that you were never introduced in place of MSN Messenger. Yeah. Rest in pieces. Yeah.

What else we got? Should we talk about the bed thing? Sure. After discovering an AWS key pair in a firmware update for his 8Sleep mattress in December, cybersecurity researcher Dylan Aray did some more digging and discovered that 8Sleep engineers are able to remotely SSH into every customer's bed, which by the way contains a full Linux computer and they can even run arbitrary code and not just from your local network. Dylan posted screenshots and code snippets on his Truffle Security blog and noted that

with this access, 8Sleep engineers could know when you are sleeping, detect how many people are in your bed, change your bed's temperature, change vibration and alarm settings, connect to other devices on your local network, and, this is the kicker, do literally anything that they could on a normal Linux machine. I'm really glad we don't work with them anymore. Yeah. They have turned out to be absolute massive, but do cups. Um, was it you who posted the, that nine sleep thing in the, in the chat? Yeah. Apparently there's a, has it been abandoned? It looks like maybe. There's like a DIY like hack thing where you go and you take the micro SD card out of your

8Sleep pod and you can like overwrite a file and then like manually configure it and stuff. Like there's no reason you shouldn't be able to do everything that 8Sleep does through the cloud locally, other than just that they want to maintain control over the ecosystem. I have one. You can use it to tie into home assistant stuff. Luke has one.

I begrudgingly have one. I like mine. They seem to make monster money, so maybe. No, they don't. They don't? No, they were in financial trouble a while back. Oh, really? Yeah.

Oh, well. Yeah. Well, maybe it's because they're shipping everybody to Linux computers. Maybe they should bomb down their product. I could be wrong. 8 Sleep has raised 86 million in series C funding. Hold on. What's this one? What's this? I just like I want someone to come up with a competitor. February 2023. one was this? I just like I want someone to come up with a competitor. February 2023. Okay, I don't know. I take that back. I take that back. Maybe I'm wrong about that. But addressed a leakage issue. I missed the eight sleep. They've raised over 155. Oh, their latest funding round was a corporate minority on June 24th, 2024. I Don't know what that means

No idea Valuation was about half a bill in July. Yeah, people are saying lots of embedded devices have embedded Linux for some reason Yeah, I mean that is true. But sure fair enough don't have a SSH back door into my house. Yeah Yeah, that that thing that he said just now. So yeah, I'm not super into it. Our discussion question is, is it time for DIY water-cooled bed version two? Oh man, I don't want to.

Can you buy a cover? Yeah, you can, you can buy. You can buy just a cover? Oh, like that's water-cooled? That I don't know. But like in terms of like duvets, you can get- No, no, no, no, no, no. Like the eight sleep cover, it's called a cover.

The part that straps onto your bed, not the pod. Oh, I don't know. That's a good question. Because if I remember correctly, when you guys made that video, the difficult part was the cover. No, the bed was hard. The cooling was hard. Well, the cooling was only easy because

we had that chiller that we just happened to have. Most people wouldn't have that. But realistically, you don't need that kind of horsepower in your trip, not literal horsepower, but you don't need that powerful of a chiller anyway. And something more akin to what we made when we did the water-cooled gamer chair would be more than fine because like a couple hundred watts is lots to draw heat away from a sleeping person. Let me see if I can find it. Water-cooled chair. Yeah, here it is.

Oh, apparently there is a competitor. I've never heard of this. Oh my God. I will come back to this once my ads are done. I know nothing about these guys they might have the exact same problem I have no clue but Chili Pad. Sleep me. I got a Grammarly ad. Grammarly is one of those companies that like I would never use for myself but I absolutely believe that a lot of people should use.

Yeah, so here, this just little like Peltier element that I'm holding is enough to cool one person. And that's basically what's inside the 8 Sleep and then it just- I was gonna say I thought it was kind of- It either runs to the hot side or the cold side depending on whether it's trying to chill the mattress cover or heat it and that's why it's so quiet too, but it's not very energy efficient But because you're not actually trying to cool a computer with it. It's fine You're just trying to cool a human which is like think about a hundred watts at rest or something like that

It's not it's not that much Anyway not cool. How's this competitor look? I'm on your screen Anyway, not cool. How's this competitor look? I don't know. On your screen. When they were showing this animation, I thought it was just like a cool pad, but then you can see as the animation goes on, it's kind of pivoting away from it now. Oh, do you need one for each side? Interesting. So they show the cover coming down and they show a little blue animation of like, look, it's plugged into this thing.

Oh yeah, okay, so there is some form of external Heat cool element, but then I also see one on the other side so maybe it's One for each half the bed honestly is probably fine I mean probably fine realistically any like main bedroom layout is gonna have a spot for two nightstands and You know like it's gonna have two sides of the bed generally speaking. Oh yeah here we go. Looks like these are their options. Doc, pro, but yeah so it comes with with two of the things. Supreme Sleep Track. Is it a subscription?

I don't know. Me, Half Queen, me or we, Sleep Week Sale. Is it a subscription? Does anybody know? Yeah, so, yeah, the price jumps a bunch when you go to two people. That makes sense. Which does make sense. But I don't see any subscription things. They have a protection plan, but that's not a subscription.

Yes, it has a six dollar monthly subscription. One month of SleepMe Plus. Yeah, I see it now. But does it work without it? Because I don't have an 8 Sleep subscription. Yeah, you don't need it. And it works like enough for me. Yeah, me too. All right. Well, realistically, it's probably not gonna be that different, but who knows, maybe it is.

Seems pretty similar, but I don't know. It's a subscription, but you don't need it, says someone, says low boom. So kind of same deal, I guess. Okay. All right, what else we want to talk about today? Twitch has implemented a 100 hour storage limit and people are losing their minds. In an effort to cut costs,

Amazon owned frenemy of streamers, Twitch, is culling archived content by making all highlights and uploads, whether published or unpublished, count toward a single 100 hour storage limit. This limit will go into place on April 19th when content will automatically be deleted until it falls below the limit. This limit won't apply to full VODs or clips, only highlights and uploads from third-party services, but some creators are sharing screenshots showing they have several thousands of hours in highlights alone

and now have less than two months to archive them. FKA Socks pointed out on the Twitch forums that speed runners will likely be the worst hit. Speedrun history is stored entirely in highlights, not just world records, but most every run submitted that was on Twitch is stored as a highlight on speedrun.com, they said. Discussion question.

How expensive is hosting up to 4,000 plus hours of video for 0.5% of Twitch streamers, which is the percentage of Twitch streamers that Twitch claims will be effective. And the answer is very expensive, which is why Amazon is stepping in and doing something about this. And this is something that Luke and I have talked about

for a long time. The most difficult part of pitching Floatplane to creators is that Floatplane costs what streaming and data storage cost. Everyone else is the VC model, which is I provide everything to you for free, and we'll figure out the financials later. And what that looks like is, you know,

when sites like Patreon start- Oh, they worked with Vimeo. Yeah, when sites like Patreon that, like, you know, had a video solution just like, don't have a proper video solution anymore, I believe they do now. They do now. Yep, they do now, but that was a video solution, just like, don't have a proper video solution anymore. I believe they do now. Yep, they do now, but that was a big surprise to everybody. When sites like Twitch go, hey, unlimited data storage,

this doesn't make any sense, and they just turn it off. That's what happens. And that's one of the reasons that I've talked about this at length in the past, but that's one of the reasons that I've talked about this at length in the past, but that's one of the reasons that YouTube is such a remarkable platform. The reason that the fact that they allow everyone to upload and the fact that all they ask in return is that you watch the ads, which admittedly are a lot these days, or that you pay a premium subscription, which quite frankly, given that it includes YouTube music, is

very reasonably priced, is kind of incredible. YouTube is flippin' incredible, and I don't know how long it's gonna last. But anyway, back to back to Twitch. I don't see them reversing course on this, because realistically, I don't think they care. I think the only place that they're going to potentially lose streamers to is going to be what, like Kik? And from my understanding, Kik's infrastructure just runs on AWS anyway.

Yeah, but sometimes has like better features, which is really funny. So like, what does Amazon care? Because they basically get your business either way. So they can just either bleed money themselves on Twitch, or they can just like take money from crypto bros. Someone in Float Plane Chat posted that apparently Facebook is removing live VODs that are over 30 days old. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.

That doesn't surprise me, because none of this is sustainable. Yeah. Like that's the thing. Float Plane. Streaming is a crazy model. Like it's actually wild. Float Plane is built to be sustainable wild flow plane is built to be

Sustainable and it is priced to be sustainable and we do it. All right, and we're doing fine but this other stuff is built for explosive exponential growth and just like suck money up from VCs until it doesn't make sense anymore and then Stall right like that's the thing if you take a plane and you go like this with it eventually it stalls out whereas we're kind of built for slow slow steady growth very slow it's okay glacial you'll do that you'll do the business side someday someday someday. You'll have an actual CEO Not just a CEO in name. I'm not

Maybe never like the dog waiting outside of the store Someday except the store that I went to is for cigarettes Dad's never coming home easy. Honestly, this feels like this feels like an opportunity for someone like investment disclosure, Ashtec. Like right now would be, it's too bad that they weren't like out of beta, you know, at this point with HexOS. Because if they could just be like, yeah, okay, Twitch streamers here, get ready to own your data. It's going to cost you a little bit of money because like, duh, storage costs money and you have to pay for it somehow, but it's going to cost you a little bit of money. But here's where you

can put it. I don't think most streamers are going to permastore their data. They might permastore clips or specific streams or things like that but I don't think they're gonna permastore everything. Sure but I mean we're not talking about everything it's not like Twitch isn't willing to store a hundred hours worth of storage but if there's anything that they want outside of that then they're gonna have to figure it out. And some streamers will. I remember Sevitus. Yeah. He used to. Yep. He had everything. That's true.

Well, good luck everybody. Yep. What else we got? Uh... Yeah, I... There's so much stuff. LakesOrange said, 10 plus years ago twitch stored the vaude of every stream ever Then they took that away. This is just a natural progression of that

Yeah, it just doesn't make it doesn't make any sense, especially when no offense twitch streamers but the vast majority of your airtime is just Garbage chair stream like it actually should not be archived. It doesn't matter. We don't need it What no need to watch one person watching someone else's content? No, what do you mean? I don't even need to watch two people watching someone else's content which you was do if like YouTube didn't exist Play video games what I I know I know that's tough wild. I did that's hard work wild. I don't know what that Nerdal says me watching two people talking about people watching content Touche that's pretty good

Hey good news EA releases the source code for four commanding concrete was this on anyone's bingo card for 2025? Not even a little, yeah. EA! Next you're gonna tell me like, Activision Blizzard did something good. No. I'm kidding.

No one's gonna say that. No. The source code release is for Command and Conquer, Tiberian Dawn, Red Alert, Renegade and Generals along with the zero hour expansion. It is being released under the GPL license and the code is available from EA's freaking github page. Steam Workshop support is also being enabled for Renegade, Generals plus the zero hour expansion, Command and Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars, plus the Kain's

Wrath expansion, and Command & Conquer 4 Tiberium Twilight. They have released a modding support pack that includes source XML, schema, shader, and map files for all games utilizing Sage, Strategy Action Game Engine, also available from EA's GitHub page! What?! Genuinely wild. Are you kidding me? EA released remasters of Command and Conquer, Tiberian Dawn, OG, and Red Alert back in 2020, as well as the ultimate collection in 2024 on Steam. But this is this is wild. Fern 182 says it's EA. There will be a catch. Mark my words, there will

be a catch. But I don't I don't see the catch I never got into command and conquer. I was a Warcraft kid I like that red alert was was big in my house, but like dude. This is this is it I Am at a loss It's weird like we had valve last week going full good guy on TF2 and how did these happen so close to I know? It's really hard for me to believe that EA was able to like Do this in a week? You know, there's no way it so they must have both been cooking on it, but like

What that's just so weird Thanks, Mewkimm. I want the Luxe backpack. I will pay double also this money could have went toward tinting my golf I don't know if we're gonna bring the Luxe bag back but hey thanks for picking up a backpack I I mean we've said everything there is to say about the topic at this point I think other than just I want to drag it out a little bit more to emphasize good job EA like this Like this is the best case scenario for game preservation. This is the best case possible scenario for preserving gaming experiences for future generations. Like what was it? I think it was Destiny. Destiny 2. I was looking at that lawsuit. Destiny 2 lawsuit, YouTube footage,

because they were trying to, here we go, yeah. Bungie's lawyers had to use fan videos of old Destiny 2 content in court because it doesn't exist in game anymore. Freaking wild! So this is because a science fiction writer is suing them. But so the lawyers can't point at the game anymore because these live-service games change over time and these gaming experiences are just gone.

That sucks! Yeah, and I didn't expect EA of all companies to be one of the first to do this in a big fashion. I'm 100% certain. This is Command and Freaking Conquer. Like this isn't like some crap game no one ever cared about. Yeah, Command and Conquer was a huge deal. Red Alert was a huge deal.

No kidding. Both of these were massive. I mean, I think it's Command and Conquer, Red Alert, but whatever. Red Alert 1 and Red Alert 2 were both massive. I mean, I think it's Command and Conquer Red Alert, but whatever. Red Alert 1 and Red Alert 2 were both massive. I don't know, it's cool. I just, I respect it. It's good.

Good, it's rare. See, Radon Man, he wasn't gonna say anything anyway. They're like, he's like, let Luke talk. No, I had nothing to add. Yeah, it's really cool. It's just good. Someone said, it did it first? Yeah. I mean, I didn't know, nothing to add. Yeah, it's really cool. It's just good. Someone said id did it first. Yeah, I mean I didn't know that to be completely honest, but maybe I knew it at one point forgot. I'm not sure, but it's just I'm still very happy. In less good gaming news,

Warner Bros cannot break their L-streak and has shut down legendary game studio Monolith Productions alongside two others. And this one hits me a little harder than most because I don't know if you guys remember this, but we actually got an incredible opportunity seven years ago to go behind the scenes at Monolith. That is a terrible thumbnail. Now, not enough people watched this. This was a really good video. The folks there were so cool. They were awesome. So dedicated to their craft. I just, I don't think I've ever seen a more passionate team doing more passionate stuff.

This was sponsored by Xbox. This was the one time we ever did a sponsorship with Xbox and it was so worth it and so cool. Let's go to their mocap. They had an on-site. Oh, that was so sick. They had an on-site mocap setup where the actual developers, like some of them had a little bit of martial arts training

and they would like have an idea for something and they would literally just go jump in the mocap room and and and just do it and then go back to their stations and and and work on it like it was oh what an absolutely incredible team they did some incredible work. Shadow of Mordor was actually one of the only games during that time of my life that I managed to play all the way through because I was really busy like running a company and having kids and stuff. Middle-earth Shadow of Mordor, for what, that came out in 2014. That was like the empty times for gaming for me. I played through the first Tomb Raider reboot. I played through

Middle-earth shadow of Mordor, I don't know, maybe like one or two other games. Absolutely incredible game. The Nemesis system was so cool. So sick. Literally just messing around with the Nemesis system was like cool. So sick. Literally, it was literally just messing around with the Nemesis system was like worthy gameplay. Oh, 100%. So for those of you not familiar, it basically created memorable characters out of like, just rando NPC enemies and like created like feuds between you and even between them and each other and stuff nemesis system was super cool. It made it so that deaths in the game like if you died the your nemesis would like level up and evolve so like

your own death was a was an actual mechanic in the game which is so cool like I don't know it was it was sick. Anyway, this sucks. Let's read through the thing. Monolith has had struggled under the close scrutiny of Warner Brothers after the second Middle-earth Shadow game made less money than the first. The bros were only really interested in established franchises at that point, so the new IP code named Legacy was canceled in 2021 and most of the studio leadership left once work on the troubled Wonder Woman began. David added a note here, they formed cliffhanger games at EA and are making the new Black Panther game.

Oh, cool. After the historic $200 million flop of Suicide Squad Killed the Justice League, as well as the $100 million write-down of Multiverses and the new Quidditch game, Warner Bros. has cancelled Wonder Woman and closed Monolith, as well as Player First Games, Multiverses, and WB Games San Diego, which was working on an unannounced free-to-play AAA game. The incredible, but unfortunately patented Nemesis system from the Shadow Games will now live in legal limbo instead of being iterated on by Monolith or other developers. Um, okay. So yeah, that blows, basically. I don't really know what else there is to say about that

either. Yeah. that either. Yeah. Hall effect is dead. Long live TMR. 8bitdo is releasing the ultimate 2 non-C wireless controller and they have ditched Hall effect sticks in favor of a new stick tech, TMR or tunneling magneto resistance. TMR can offer higher precision, reportedly 10 times over Hall Effect, and refresh rates up to 20,000 Hz while using less power. From GillyKit CEO Jack He, via The Verge, the power consumption of TMR sensors is usually in the range of 0.1 to 0.3 mA, while Hall Effect sensors can consume 0.5 to 2 mA. Mainly because of this difference, Hall Effect joysticks cannot work very well when

installed on stock controllers. There are already several other controllers currently available with TMR sticks, including the excellent GameSir Cyclone 2, which David unboxed recently on S3. People love that. Dude, third party controllers are not little brother anymore. No, that controller roundup that we do that that controller roundup we did Opened my eyes in a big way. I just had not I have not given enough attention to it controller enjoyer for a very long time and that game sir cyclone 2 video from david has made me like Consider buying not an xbox controller for like literally potentially the first time ever this video was a ton of fun to make and there's just because something didn't win the bracket

doesn't are the bracket of tournament doesn't mean that it wasn't really an incredible controller. There's a lot of diamonds out there. Some of them in the rough, some of them hiding in plain sight. I was blown away. I was blown away. The community really was right on this one because they called us out.

They were like, you guys have not paid attention to like controller Reddit. And we're like, okay, all right, all right, we're on it, we're on it. And man, they were right. Very cool. What else we got today? Do you want to talk about, uh, developer Reece Kentish who built an app that stops

people from doom scrolling by making them touch grass. This is awesome. To unlock your phone, To unlock your phone, touch grass. You have to, it opens the camera and you literally have to go outside, stop doom scrolling and touch actual grass, grass detected. That is awesome. And I love it. That's all I have to say about that. No, maybe there's more to say about that. Yeah, he uses computer vision to detect the grass. This is getting significantly easier.

There's this thing Wendell told me like eons ago at this point that everything becomes like in the software development world, everything becomes three times easier to make every three years. And there was like reasoning why it's not, you know, two times every two years. It's like, anyways. And these types of things are just so much easier to make these days. There's another app out there. App time, let me see if I can find it. I don't know if we're gonna be able to find it right now, but there's another app out

there where you have to put your phone in front of you and then it kind of like maps out your structure and you have to do push-ups in order to like effectively buy app time. So you can use apps. I think you could potentially combine a few of these things. I think there's been a surge in popularity for things like dumb phones. There's also been a surge in popularity of blocking app time and different things to just like help aid your willpower in using your phone.

Did handyman just find it? He might have This is not the one I was looking for but yeah, it clearly there's a few of these types of things This is not an original idea. Maybe the actual touching grass portion is but putting barriers in a variety of different types of barriers in front of using apps is like absolutely a thing that I think caters to younger phone users yeah I mean I think everyone's probably had the idea of like man gaming is not even that unhealthy if I like get up and do some push-ups during every loading screen yep and that lasts for

like the first quarter of one gaming session because it doesn't you're not forced to do it. Yes, if the webcam on your computer Like wouldn't allow you to click next match. We've talked about that Probably I think we've actually talked about that as like like a like a product that could exist Like yeah, that must have been on WAN show at some point. I would... there's so many WAN shows, there's so many hours of WAN shows. So many hours. It's amazing that anyone is willing to archive all the hours of WAN shows. I mean, not very well because they're like, half of them are corrupt, but this is true. You know, it is what it is. But yeah, I think things like this are fantastic. So that's very,

very cool. Good job, keep going. Less fantastic is that Plex is killing the watch together feature. They've been rewriting their apps from the ground up over the last couple of years, and have made the decision to remove watch together. It will continue to exist in the web app for the foreseeable future,

and this did not go over well with their community. Watch together initially launched in May of 2020 during the COVID pandemic. It synchronizes the video stream for the group, pausing for everyone if an individual pauses playback, and resuming for everyone at the same time. They don't preclude the possibility of offering similar functionality again in the future

using new tooling, but it's gone for now and is just yet another string of Ls from the Plex team, removing features that used to exist and that people, you know, paid for their software with the understanding that it would have it. A big frustrating one for me is how broken downloads still are. I ran into a bug recently on Android where I tried to, or was it on iOS? I think it was a, I don't remember. Anyway I tried for a recent trip to down to Disneyland I tried to load a season of a show onto Yvonne's phone so

it was on Android and uh two of the episodes errored and when you don't click the individual episodes when you click an entire season there is no way in the interface to retry one of them. So I had to remove the entire season and then redownload the entire season, which then also failed. So it was just a complete waste of my time. That's annoying. Yeah.

Like, Plex says it's really complicated doing downloads, especially background downloads, which I kind of get, but also like, oh my God, then don't do background downloads. And force me to keep the app up, do something. Oh, I see. Download a file. Download a file to a full, that can't be impossible.

I'm sorry, I don't, I don't buy it. I don't buy it, I'm sorry. Download a file cannot be that hard. Retry on download as well shouldn't be a big deal. No, it really shouldn't. I wonder if part of the problem is that they try to transcode and download like mid... Like fine, to finish the transcode first and then... I don care but just download a file can't be that hard I mean even then you should be able to retry it this is cool psionic launches a new advanced ability hand for humans and robots they just launched their

improved mark nine and a half ability. It's available for both humans, for use as a prosthetic, and for robots, and features the first touch sensing bionics with the ability to read and control 30 touch sensor values and send a vibration to the user's arm to communicate the sensation. It is blunt force impact and water resistant and will have 32 grip patterns, currently 19. Okay, let's have a look at this. The video is pretty cool, yeah. Oh, okay, nevermind. This is cute. Sorry, where's the video? This is the second link. Ah, yes.

I've got it up actually, just switched to... Too late. Boink. Ah, yes. I've got it up actually, just switch to... Too late. Boink. No, I did it. Oh, got him. I like how they show the combination of people and also robots. I think that's pretty neat.

Because they're trying to prove it's for both, right? Oh wait, I know why this is in the doc. These guys sent me a video a while back of this woman basically just going through her day with one of their prosthetics and it blew my mind how she was able to basically do everything. That's so sick. Like obviously there's going to be a learning curve for something like this But yeah, and you can tell like with something it doesn't it doesn't look like necessarily 100% perfect, but that guy just loaded a big plate onto a bar

Yeah, that was her in that one where she was lifting the thing. Yeah Like clearly you can be extremely capable with this It looks like a little more rigid than normal like human movement, but yeah it so sick Super cool. Yeah, I guess that's pretty much it for that. It's a rapid-fire topic fantastic I Think that's pretty much it for this week. Should we switch over to After Dark? How you doing over there, Dan? How's your fingers doing?

Little tender? Little tender. We're at 2.45. Oh my god. So I'm doing one every 14 seconds. Okay. Well. I'm a little eepy.

Good job, everyone. My eyes hurt. I should probably check the gross profit. It's a lot. It's a lot of numbers. The profit is not a lot, I promise you that much. Your offsite laptop bag call out, as much as people did notice it, has caused it to surge in the rankings.

Oh. We didn't know about surge in the rankings. The scribe driver is still dunking in terms of quantity. Amazing. Oh, yeah. It's a great pen. ScribeDriver is still dunking in terms of quantity? Amazing. Oh yeah. It's a great pen. ScribeDriver, people love it.

And the great thing about selling pens is people need an unlimited number of them because they'll always lose them. Oh my God. The, oh no, the, oh wait, hold on. Oh yeah, okay, so ScribeDriver is ahead but not by as much as you'd think looking at the dashboard. Not everybody sends a merge message.

No, I know, I know. Yeah, and apparently a lot of people who ordered the laptop bag do not send a merge message. So that's interesting. So people who like writing with pens are more likely to send in a merge message. That kind of maybe lines up. Yeah, and the MCM starter thing, oh, actually no,

we did sell a lot of those. It's just really low on the list because it's not making money. kind of maybe lines up. Well, anyway, yeah, good luck me. So that's cool. Well, it's good for cash flow anyway. It's not good for profitability. Okay, let's talk about some merch messages. Sure. Oh, I forgot to set you over to the other one. Hi, Ellen Dan. In your limit in opinion, would the X-Real One Pro, enter after dark, from the Fallon vid be usable as a work monitor? I'm a front end dev and often need a screen where I can't have one. Thanks and hi L2.

Ooh. Like a multitask. Text? I mean, it's 1080p, right? And it's 1080p at like, you know, 170 inches or 150 inches or whatever you configure it to because you can sort of configure its virtual distance and virtual size. But no matter how you slice it, it's 1080p at an enormous size. It also doesn't have, like it's not,

it's not an Apple Vision Pro, right? So it doesn't have the same spatial awareness that an Apple Vision Pro does. So it's not able to like lock and hover as you move around. You can't like set it up as a monitor and do your thing. Like it either floats around with you or it stays, I forget what the two modes are, it either is stationary like that or it, I think it uses just gyro to float around with you. So it

was a big problem when I was on the plane, for instance. Taxiing on the runway the plane would turn it'd be like See you later So it's a really cool product and really useful in certain situations But I don't think it's a monitor if it was between that and nothing maybe But I got to feel like there's almost always gonna be a way to get a higher DPI display near you than those glasses, what? Nothing, just something good happened.

As a first. Okay, and you're not gonna like provide any context for that? Literally none at all. What an actual dick. I have to work with a guy all day. Pfft. Ha ha ha ha. Snore. Ugh. All right, what's next?

Sure, sorry, you gotta be a little more directed. I can say, I guess, wow, I didn't think people were gonna react that much. Yeah. A new contractor that is theoretically gonna help us work on the apps for Flowplain just fully signed on. Oh wow, very cool. Yeah. Okay, that is theoretically gonna help us work on the apps for flow plane just fully signed on. Oh wow very cool. Yeah. Okay that is good news. That is good news. I didn't like really want to say it because now one's gonna be like um it's

next Friday and I where's the app update so yeah I'm already getting it's like never mind next Friday where's the app update now? What are you waiting for? Where's the Apple TV update? Yeah, where's the Roku app? Where's the picture in picture? Where's the dark mode? This is like actually a big problem because we literally discussed like one of the goals of bringing this person on and they're just part-time,

whatever, don't get too excited. But one of the goals of bringing them on is to have a TV app finally come out. But it's like, where do you, where do you draw the line? Like, okay, so we have a general purpose TV app, but that doesn't work for Roku. So then you have to have a Roku app, but that

doesn't work for this other thing. So then you try to get that, but then like. There's no line. You maintain everything. No. And you do it on $0 budget. You pay Linus. Yeah. Less than $0 budget. 10 bucks do it on zero dollar budget. You pay Linus. Yeah.

Less than zero dollar budget. Ten bucks. Come on. Roku app, ten bucks. Yeah, think of all the payment and exposure you're getting. And experience. Roku app is just iFrame. Really?

Okay, I didn't even know that. We haven't looked into it a lot. We're going to do the general one first. Anyways, we'll figure it out, but hopefully they're helpful It's they're basically just gonna be working like probably weekends and stuff. So it's not anyways, whatever fine doesn't matter But I'm gonna say it'll said I was joking. I'm sorry Apparently, it's not just I frame then. Oh But like I thought it was like their own like language and junk. but again, I haven't I really haven't looked into it much

We're not doing tizen because I just don't feel like it samsung should just stop doing tizen and that is the real solution to that You're welcome samsung I'm helping I'm doing my little part to put pressure on you to just abandon that hot pile of garbage To develop a roku app you primarily use the programming languages Scenegraph, XML-based for UI design, and BrightScript for logic and interaction within the Roku development environment, requiring you to create a developer account and following Roku's guidelines for designing, coding, packaging, and publishing your app on the Roku store. But... I don't want to do that at all.

So this is what I mean by like where's the line? Even their portal for publishing is awful. Ha ha, what, LLM? Yeah, yeah, that was just the Google search one. And I don't know, considering that was an LLM, just spitting that out, I don't know if that's 100% true, et cetera, et cetera. I've just heard it's like kind of a huge pain, but we're working on it. We'll get there.

Hey y'all, getting the bolt-action pen for my dad's birthday. I wanted to ask Linus what industries you think will be the most favorable for the emerging small businesses to be a part of over the next five years. Hmm. Do you want to just post your dissertation on the economy? Dude, I can't even begin to... I'm thinking lentils. Dude, I can't even... I like that reference. I can't even begin to guess. The world is so messed up, right?

Like the world is so messed up, right? Like you've got the stock, you've got stock market volatility at maybe not an all time high, but certainly rather extreme, extremely high. You've got these valuations on companies, like whether we're talking, you know, Tesla or truth social or Nvidia, you've got these valuations on companies that are- Make no sense at all.

Utterly divorced from any kind of profit earnings reality. You've got- We don't even need EBITDA anymore. You've got gold that's gone up, what is it, like 56% in the last year or something like that. Meanwhile, you've got Bitcoin that shot up over the last year and then has plunged over the last few days.

I haven't actually looked at it today, so I might be out of date, right? Like BDC to US dollars, where are we at? Okay. It's up 1% today, but it's no, it's 85 USD now. I mean, being up 1% is huge though. That's true. Like that doesn't sound like much but in the in the current environment. Yeah Where is the safe haven right now? I have no idea. I mean I

It's funny. I asked my kids like, you know, what do you want to be when you grow up and the Hilarious part of me asking them that is no matter what they say I'm gonna have absolutely no guidance to give them whatsoever because I don't know what kind of world they are going to participate in the workforce of. And I've talked about that before on WAN Show, you know, 10 years ago, I said the same thing, except that here we are 10 years later, where we're not talking that far in the future anymore, and yet my level of clarity is no higher because volatility just keeps going up.

If anything, it might be less. You know? What industries will be most favorable for emerging small businesses to be part of over the next five years? Okay. Well healthcare Human care won't be going anywhere therapy Lot of therapy. Yeah, that's something

Yeah, I mean they're gonna try to AI that too dog like already doing it as far as my understanding goes Not even if they are doing it people are gonna seek it out through those like relational Casper In float Casper Explorer in float plane chats is blue-collar trades Yeah I mean if you have the for sure if you have the the the energy and you have the strength for it And if you don't you should I get think try and find it? Building stuff, repairing stuff.

There's gonna be money to be made there. There's gonna be reliable work. Material harvesting for that matter. Mining, forestry, stuff like that. The flesh of the weak underclass. Crystal, I'm not saying that. The art made of machines. They make a lot of money these days, man. The flesh of the week under class crystal I'm not saying that she's They make a lot of money these days, man. Mmm

Like actually though like you're not wrong, but I'm not saying that crystal what else we got Yep Cephalus says I mean working for the federal government has always been solid, but the cracks are forming. Cracks, brother. Cracks, you say? Dude, that's like looking at my ass and being like, that's got a crack in it. You know, that's a chasm. I should have waited until I drank something. What the heck? Why like, why? Don't worry, just comb it with a brick, alright? That might be worked! I think you just beat me. I had that streak for like a decade. I would never beat you.

Oh man. Yeah, human care. Oh dude, yeah. I think stuff like paid friend industry is gonna make its way outside of like Japan and stuff. Probably, I would also say, I mean you're talking about human care. We have an extremely aging population. Yeah, well that's a big part of it.

Okay, I almost forgot. They won't be for long with the way things are going. Hey Daylow, question for Luke. How much for security risk is Linus still using his Note 9, a device still running Android 10, and that hasn't received a security update for probably more than two years? That's honestly the least of the problems when it comes to that guy. No, that's pretty high up there. Dude, you just log in to your own accounts on random devices around the office, and then just leave them there. Like, what are you talking about?

Oh, like my Steam account? I mean, it's locked. Locked by what? You know, by a lock. Do you have a custom password on there? That one does. Yeah. Yeah.

It does? Yeah. Did you do that? Yes. Thank you. There you go. You're welcome. But this is what we already follow around in his wake and like try to solve the incredibly chaotic things that he leaves behind. I've got work to do. That is already... You know, you know, he's gonna be a problem. So why don't you just develop the systems that let him do whatever he wants? This guy. And I will say, I don't know why I'm doing this, but to defend him, I love how he knew where I was going before I even said it, this is extremely common practice for like company

owners and stuff where the IT team has to be like, okay. Please stop. No. My time. I'm busy. My time is better spent doing literally anything else. That's why I make a bunch of spreadsheets with the- It's literally-

Account stack. He's not wrong. Literally why a hundred other people work here is because they are doing stuff that I'm not doing including an IT team Honestly, one of our biggest problems is that he won't stop doing certain things Why what did I do like if you think about the the Twitter one like if you just didn't do oh, I? Have learned hey look I have passed every one of your fishing Tests with flying don't answer your email.

I do. I do answer my emails. What email did you send me that I haven't answered, Mr. Besser? Well, that one, actually. I actually also missed that email, because I check my emails very infrequently, at least recently. Oh, you mean the email that I was supposed

to do, like a training session? No, that one looks like a phishing email. But the actual phishing email. Some people reported the training session emails as phishing, which was honestly probably a decent call. It was bad. Because it looked really sketchy. Click this link to go to your security training.

This is definitely from Sean, but it's not from his email. It's OK. Your company name here. Oh, he didn't set it up properly. Nice. Yeah. Your company name here has we didn't set it up properly nice Yeah, but the they're like fishing test email You're not the one that opened yours What do you mean? I'm not the one that opened it Oh, no

The fishing test email the like blind tests that we did when we tested the whole company without telling them Yeah, you're not the one that opened it. I know yeah Yeah, that's cause I just like, nuked it before I even opened it. Well, you didn't nuke it that hard. What do you mean? The other person opened it. What other person? What, you nuked it before you opened it?

There was no hint that it was a phishing email in the subject line. Well, yeah, why not? I don't think there was. Oh man, now I wanna know what it was. Oh, you mean the- I can find it. No, no, no, no, I can find it. Okay. I think I want to know what it was. Oh, you mean that I can find it. No, I I can find it

Okay, I think I remember a keyword from it You have that thing where there's someone that you can communicate with on multiple apps and sometimes you just like open So many different things which freaking one it is. Yep That's why I only use iMessage now. I'm an Apple user. There's other messages. I must have deleted it or something. It's not, it's not, it literally is not in my inbox anymore.

I'm pretty sure. Basically it was it was an email that was asking me to like link up with someone on another platform that we use but that was like obviously fake. At least I think it was obviously fake. The subject line said your teammates are trying to reach you! Oh yeah, I would have just deleted that. That is obvious, that's super obvious. I'm pretty sure I did that on my phone. I probably just hit report spam or something.

So from microsoft.teams at Microsoft-office365.com. I get those emails from a different chat platform. Mike Rathsoft. Oh, it had a spelling mistake? On purpose. There's a bunch of them. No, no, that's good. Anyway, it's good that we do these training exercises now

because while I've definitely been on high alert ever since the Twitter breach, not everyone is always on high alert and it's good to do these things as part of your ongoing training. Yeah, so we did one that we didn't tell anyone that it was coming and then we have told everyone that they will be happening moving forward because we wanted to see how many people would click on it and who yeah but then after that we just wanted people to be alert more than anything so

if we just tell them there is more coming and actually do it yeah then they're gonna be alert all the time so they don't want to click on it again which is great that is like the goal good job yeah good job team who clicked I ain't telling you oh yeah wait come come on you guys. You're not knowin'. No way that's happening. Wasn't me. I'm not saying anything. Wasn't me?

Oh, you're saying, I thought you said, was it me? I was like, you're on the team. No, no, it was not me. Did you even have her in the shower? That's a song reference, right? Weird shower. Wasn't it? Yes!

Look, it's there. Obviously! Dan, can you give us another merch message? I'm gonna do that. I-L-L-D.wan, or W-A-N, I can't remember which one you lambasted me for. Given how long y'all worked together at the seemingly close relationships that you have at LMG, if you had to move on to a new job, how hard would it be to get settled in with a new team? Also, Yacht? Yacht's dead. The mooring's not included in the sale and there's

nowhere to moor it here, so it's dead. As for, man, how hard would it be to get settled in with a new team? I even have a hard time, like, getting to know new people here these days compared to the early days. Cause in the early days I like had to, I was directly exposed to every single person on the team every day. Stop. We have HR now, but she's...

I had direct contact with every... We have HR now, but she's uh... I had direct contact with every mem- Keep going, you'll get it. I worked directly There you go. Yeah, I bet you were. With every member You're on purpose now.

You're on purpose. Prove it wasn't always on purpose. Fair enough. Um... And I had to, right? So there was no choice. Whereas now, I have to go...

It's like the opposite. It's the complete opposite. I have to go way out of my way to interact with a lot of people on the team. Like to the point where to interact with a handful of new people, I'll be like, okay, let's take the whole company to Disneyland. You know, which was cool. A lot of fun. It was fun. Yeah. We're back now. Um, what? Well, no, I mean, we didn't talk about it much before we left. So now that we're, now that we're back,

okay, I just want to say Float Plane, you guys got an exclusive video out of that. I explicitly forbade multiple people to work on that project, so I would like to make that very clear, and I'm going to speak to the managers who approved some people working on that and tell them it is not approved next time. Wait, did Sammy like

get told no by dad so when and asked mom? I don't know if Sammy ever talked to me but I saw people with cameras and I said you better not be working. That's not work right? And they assured me that they were working on personal vlogs for like their own thing and I was like okay. Oh I mean I think the whole Float Blank exclusive was just Sammy. Was it? I think so. Okay. I'll have to make sure. I mean, there's people that feature in the video for sure.

But I mean, the footage of the camera capturing the footage, I think was just Sammy's. I don't think other ones contributed. I'm not sure though. Sammy and Chad today. Sammy. Oh dude, Sammy can't be controlled, even if he was. Would you want him to be controlled?

Yes, I would. He's not supposed to be working. He's a very stallion. I had a long talk with him at CES about how he needs to like say no more and like stuff like that. Well, it's not even a matter of him saying no. He was talking about like how much he was working and I was like, brother, you need to chill. It's a matter of me explicitly saying no, you're not allowed to work on that and him doing it anyway.

Like that's a completely different dynamic. But did you actually tell him that? I don't know if I talked to Sammy. I didn't think anyone was gonna be doing it because- I know at least one or two other people that were doing it for personal vlogs. Okay, well that's fine. I told-

And like I know that was a thing. Okay, I told people that's fine. But people were not supposed to be working. It was supposed to be a workcation, acation from work. Anyway. Hi, future me podcast listener. Question for the mailing team, that's DHL. What's the hardest part of each one of your jobs?

Mailing team? Like DHL, the carrier? Which one of us is H? H. Does this person just think that like people use random letters to address the show maybe? Maybe. DHL, you know what? Okay, it's a new one. Um... What's the hardest part? People are saying Dan. D-H-A-N. Then who's D? Dan.

Uh, okay. Well anyway... Duke. Duke. Did you see I was wearing my Luke Newcomb shirt at Disney? Yeah, I commented on it. Nice. But by your facial expression I thought you might not have noticed dude my getup was actually

Outstanding you want to know the craziest thing about that and Emma almost wore her Her Duke Newcomb shirt. Yeah, that is awesome. I was like oh man Let's not oh Here I'm gonna. I'm gonna send this to you Dan okay Here, I'm gonna send this to you, Dan. Okay. Okay, this is one of the better shots that I got. If you both showed up wearing this, that would've been too much.

Aw, you guys are always so cute together. Let me see. Go sit there. Do you want me to show that? Actually, no, I got a better one. I got a better one. I got a better one. This is one of my favorite shots because who kindness in hand

It kind of looks like I'm being photobombed except like obviously I know the person So I go ahead and pop this one up Like Jake just looks like a random guy Like Jake just looks like a random guy that jumped into my picture. That's a great photo. Man, they're... I don't want to glaze Disney, but they are very good at the whole ambiance thing. Oh yeah, dude, it's definitely a vibe. So note the custom Mickey Mouse ears that were given to me by the one and only Mr. Daniel Besser. Are those amazing or what? I wore them all day.

I am so happy that you like them. I wore them all day. And for all the rides where there was like some risk that they'd come off or whatever, I took them out. I put them in my commuter bag in the little like secondary sleeve and put it down all carefully. I was like, I'm not losing these.

I let my daughter wear them for a very, very short period of time. I thought you would be like, I'm not losing these. I let my daughter wear them for a very, very short period of time. I thought you would be like, you're a, you're a, you're a. No, why? That's awesome. Okay, good. What are you even talking about? No, I don't know.

It's always interesting to see what. So I let my daughter wear them for a little while. Yeah. And then the second she was inattentive with them, yeah, you can pop that one up as well. Okay. the second she was inattentive with them, yeah, you can pop that one up as well. The second she was inattentive with them, I was like, I'm taking those back because those need to not get lost today.

Ha ha ha ha! So cool. It's got a little sublimated Linus, wide Linus face on it. Yeah, because why wouldn't it? All right. The hardest part of each of my jobs, the hardest part is HR. The hardest part is other people.

I'm answering proactively on behalf of all of us. Yeah. All right, we can move on. Dramatically do not disagree at all. Sick. Linus, how do you deal with being the boss of employees who are significantly older than you? When was the first time you became a boss of someone much older and how did you handle the new role?

I think mutual respect is the best way. That's not always an option, especially up the chain. Like if you have a boss that you don't really respect, there's nothing you can really do about that. Whereas when you have someone who works for you that you don't respect, like you can kind of do something about that. Wait, what? Where did this? I thought they were talking about ages. Yeah, I know. Okay. I'm just saying that if you have, if you are the boss of someone who is significantly older than you, mutual respect and just treating each other with mutual respect makes the age difference not matter that much.

Sorry, I probably should have started with that. Sure. I was like, what are you talking about? Because I think that there's an inherent sort of, I think that everyone, or at least I hope that everyone understands that there's an experience that comes with age. However, I would think that someone working for me would also, again, like, so I would respect that experience, but I would also expect that they respect the experience that I have specifically and what it is that we do. And if they don't, then I would think they just wouldn't want to work here and I would think they would probably leave. And in the same way if someone is working on the team that I don't respect and to me like not respecting someone means that they have to behave in a way that is like egregious that...

Yes, not going to have anything... It's not like they you know flubbed a you know a spelling error in an email. Like that's not something that is not respectable. It's more like theft or being generally unethical. Like that's the kind of thing. So to me, like a lack of respect means that you should just like not work together if you can manage it. But yeah, I think that age is a number to a degree, but it's also kind of easy for me to say because I don't have a lot of people older than me who have ever

reported directly to me. Like I'm an old guy at this company. I'm not even 40, but I am one of the oldest people here. I think I have a few, never been a problem at all. Never been something that's even been brought up. Never mattered at all. Well, it doesn't matter as long as there's mutual respect. Yeah, and I think that's, yeah. I think it's never been brought up because we've just always been good.

And I mean, I don't know, like early float plane, like really early float plane before like video calling was cheap and easy and everybody did it. Yeah. A bunch of those hires, I had never even seen the person. That's hilarious. Like the first time we ever had a float plane get together thing was the first time I saw every one of those people. That's hilarious. Like the first time we ever had a float plane get together thing was the first time I saw

every one of those people. That's wild. Fun fact. When was the first float plane get together? Was it Christmas party? What was it? Because it was the float plane Christmas party. Yeah, because you guys did a separate one.

Because you made us split off. You can't say it that way. And then it was a horrible disaster, because I took a bunch of dev snowboarding. Oh, that's what it was. Snowboarding. I remember that. Didn't I attend it, though, still?

Because I definitely didn't know. I didn't go snowboarding. Oh, they were up here for a while. Yeah, I did something with you guys. I don't remember what it was. I don't know if you did that year. Maybe you came to dinner or something? That must be it. I think so. I definitely did part with you guys. I don't remember what it was. I don't know if you did that year. Maybe you came to dinner or something. That must be it.

I definitely did part of the event. A later year, we had part of it at your house. We played board games or something. Oh yeah. I forgot about that one. That wasn't the first one. No, no, I'm thinking of the snowboarding one because I remember you and I talking about

how you sort of had determined that snowboarding might not have been the best choice. We pivoted. We changed to board games. It was great. Everyone nerded out really hard, stayed up late, had a great time. That's good. But we required a pivot. Classic software stuff. It's all good. That's good. Yeah. Full rewrite.

Hey, Dan, Luke and Linus. long time listener, first time merch message. Linus, when was the last time you got royally mad at everyone and why? Also come to Australia, we love you guys. At everyone? Okay, see this is where I end up getting myself into trouble because on the one hand we're a small company in the grand scheme of things. We were down at Disney and one of the things we talked about while we were down there, because it was a work trip and we did actually do some work on the trip even if I told people don't make videos, because that's not why we're here, but one of the things that came up was that Disney apparently employs what was the number? 36,000 people at their California parks. Directly.

But there was even way more indirectly because of all the hotel infrastructure and everything else, restaurants, everything that's around. 36,000 people at those parks in California. And to just put that in perspective, Disneyland and California Adventure Park are 360 times the size of Linus Media Group,

Creator Warehouse, and Float Plane Media combined. We are a tiny company in the grand scheme of things. But when you ask me a question like, when was the last time you got royally mad at everyone? I'm gonna respond and say, we're such a big company that how could I ever be mad at everyone? Like, it's not like, you know, if we get some analysis wrong on a data point for a review that I'm gonna be mad at Sarah.

What did she do? Did she draw something wrong? Why would I be mad at her? I can imagine reasons, because she supervises stuff as well, doesn't she? Or product managers or project managers? No, I was saying data analysis for a review. She would have nothing to do with that.

I can't think of a single project. No, we have 100 employees, top gear. I can't think of a single project that would involve everyone that I could get mad at everyone for. Can you think of anything? No. What could I do?

We do such varied things as well. I mean, I can imagine a company that's many, many, many times our size that does like one thing. We have people that work here that I've barely met. How could I be mad at them? Oh, man. Okay. So I was going to mention this earlier.

That is absolutely a thing. There are actually people that work here that I have probably never met. But another weird one is when I'll be talking to someone and genuinely think like, okay, yeah, this person's probably been working here for like six months or something. And then it'll like kind of come up in company conversation. They're like, oh yeah, like three and a half years. And I'm like, oh. Especially in the CW side. What? Like how many times have you interacted with Bridget? Yeah, I mean it's happened but not very many.

I'm gonna look it up. Hold on, I'm gonna guess first. I'm gonna say four years. It's been a hot minute. I know that much. Bridget's been here for a while. Yeah. Oh crap, I might get it wrong.

Oh crap. And yeah, and then there's people where like, you know their name and you know what they do. No, I'm pretty close. Oh dude. Never actually necessarily met them. Dude I nailed it. Four and a half?

It's like foreign change. Yeah, yeah. Let's go. That's crazy. Yep. New people. New people. Bridget Bergman, fashion designer.

There's the email. Yep, I found it. Okay. All right, dude, I was pretty close. But like, dude, that's wild. That's a long time. That's wild. Like, she's been here for a freaking long time, done a lot of like really cool stuff. But you have never had any reason to deal with Ms. Bergman. Because why would you? Why would you ever be mad

at her? Well, I think we, I think we, I think she was in the, maybe not, I think she was in the Maybe no, I think she was maybe in the conversation chain for that thing. Oh Okay, maybe but I'm not certain. Yeah, so you might have you might have been CC'd on the same emails. Yeah But I that's honestly like probably it yeah sure but like okay, do you know do you even know who Robert from CW is? Actually, yes, but this is one of those situations where I don't know if I've wait yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes gonna I'm not gonna do that because because like honestly you could get me just as bad. You could get me just as bad. Oh Yeah, dude, don't even it's not no I'm not going to but like I could get essentially anyone at the company Because of footling. Oh, yeah, sure like 100% Yeah So yeah, I've never been royally mad at everyone. Probably not since like the house days was the last time we lost an entire shoot.

And the reason I was mad at everyone was because our data handling practices were sloppy across the board. So I wasn't just mad at the person who happened to lose the data. I was mad at the general laissez-faire attitude that we had towards dealing with SD cards, ingesting data, ingesting it only to the server and never to a local drive. And so I like yelled at basically everyone except you, I think. I don't think I was mad at you about that because what would you have done? Yeah, I don't think so. Okay. Enabled them? Yeah. I don't think I was mad at you about that, because what would you have done? Yeah, I don't think so. Okay.

Enabled them? Yeah. I've had my times. Oh yeah, I've been mad at you. The sorts of systemic failures are awful. I don't know, in some ways it's easier these days, because we both kind of, it's very easy for us to be like, hey, I don't know, did I communicate that wrong?

I messaged you the other day, because I was like, I didn't mean to be dismissive about something, I hope it didn't come across that way. That's a lot easier these days, but I think because of the fact that we can kind of say anything to each other, it's a lot easier to maybe almost cross a line. Just flow off the...

I'm not interested in this conversation right now, I'm gonna leave. You know, like we can just like say stuff like that to each other. Which is- It's fine. It's pretty hard. I was having a,

I think I was having this conversation with Emma, where she was like, like what would Linus have to do to like cross like said line basically. And I don't think it was a negative thing. I think I was like, I don't remember how we go on the topic Okay, no, no, I'll let you know. Okay. I'm gonna write down some ideas. I'll write down some ideas. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Um Okay, ah, let me think oh I

Did I have a quoted answer to be completely honest I Think it was Emma pretty sure Like some of these I'm just like some of these I'm sitting there going like I don't even think it'd be enough like Like like, you know ask you to do something totally unethical. It's like you wouldn't do it, but I don't know if you'd care I've got one. I've got one, I've got one. Okay, go ahead. What I said was you'd have to fundamentally, it would have to be something that made me think

that you fundamentally changed as a human. Oh, okay, I had disrespect your family. That was, I think that'd be it. You would never do that though. So that's where the answer kind of went. Why'd you push this down? Oh, because I was gonna lean this down so you could read it. Oh, okay.

Because I fundamentally changed. No! But like, you can do this stuff. I mean, there's so many things where like, I don't know, it would piss me off, but it's not gonna like, to actually sever the link. Yeah.

I don't know, man. Like I'm trying to, like I ran into Rich the other day at like the skate sharpening place of all places. And like that's what kind of, that's actually what made me think of like, like if I had like. You just wouldn't do that. Yeah.

That's why it comes back to the. I'm trying to think of like how I could have treated him in such a way that he would message you and go, yo, man, that was weird. You know, right? Like like I didn't I didn't talk to him because I was on a call and I was just like. It like like I couldn't really I couldn't really chat with him, but like, I don't know man, because I know that you're very protective of your people, which is chill. I'm super into that. But that was the only thing, because I can't think of anything I could do to you.

That's why I went with your family. Because I think that I could, I could like, try to physically inflict to physically, you know, inflict pain. Look at, look at, he doesn't give a shit. Right, like, so, and I, and even if I could, I don't, I don't think that would be, I don't think that would be insurmountable. No.

I think you could put it behind you. I think if I was like, hey, I had like a hormonal issue, I had a weird reaction to a medication I'm like, hey, I had like a hormonal issue. I had a weird reaction to a medication I'm on. I was in a really messed up place. I'd be over it immediately. And I, you know, I'm gonna do better. I think you'd be like, okay. Yeah.

Like whatever. Yeah. Right, but if, so if I were to like, if I were to like, you know, be a complete, you know, jerk brute like you and slap someone, I can't believe you did that. You know, if I did that to you, I think you'd basically be over it.

But if I did that to like your mom. Oh yeah. But then that's one of those situations where like- There'd be no recovery. That's why I said it would require fundamental change as a person, cause you would never do that. You would need me to have a good reason. I think though either way You'd need a good reason because I think you're a rational person

What if we wouldn't get the Guinness World Record if I didn't do it Most most mom slapped and you like ran out of moms AHAHAHAHAHA Okay, the reference there is the one time He really looked like he could murder me Was when he thought I like abandoned him at on Mount Albert I was having like pretty severe altitude sickness and I booked it down the hill

Because we had one last guy that had to sign the thing and he was a minor or something and I had to get to His parent so that his signature counted so that the world record was captured I think I also didn't know that Luke was suffering altitude sickness. I thought he was like, gonna be fine. So when he reached the bottom, he didn't know that I was like booking it down the mountain because I was on a mission to make sure that we succeeded. I've never really talked about this, I don't think. Maybe I've alluded to it. But some of the other people who participated in Highlander of the other people who participated in Highlander did not want everyone to make it. Yeah.

And said so explicitly. Yeah. Which made me extremely angry. And like actually did actions to try to inhibit the chance of other people making it. Yes, it was, it, it, it permanently burned a bridge between people. Yeah.

I'm not gonna get any more specific than that. It is not worth it. That was not mad at everyone. No, cause that was not everyone on the trip. And so as part of making sure that the mission was successful because we couldn't get the record for the highest altitude land party

unless a certain number of people participated, something that the people working against the team, oh, I didn't realize, I guess guess oh, well, this is a problem. Maybe I should have actually been helpful Um, so part of making sure we succeeded was we actually recruited randoms who weren't part of our group to participate in the land Who happened to happen to be hiking it? One of them for some reason whether it was because they were a minor or whether it was because I forgot to get them to sign at the top and I had to catch up. I don't remember what it was. Their signature had to be witnessed by or something.

I don't remember why, but I had to track them down. I had to go down with them and I had to catch up to them on the way down. This mountain, the reason why getting down it was so important was because at a certain time of day, there's a huge chance of lightning storm. Yeah. And one did happen. We like literally saw lightning hit a tree in front of us. And it was like very close. You can, you can verify this claim from Austin Evans and Paul, who were both with me at the time when it happened. The second that happened, everyone, we had been hiking all day, and the second that happened everyone just flat sprinted. It was, it was a very energizing moment.

He's not paying attention. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. There it is. That one gets it! Sorry. So anyway, Luke didn't know that. Yeah. Luke didn't know that I didn't know that he was in rough shape. So when he got down, there was a very good reason, I don't know, who knows. But yeah, I don't know man, we, yeah, I think fundamental change is a way better way of putting it, because that encompasses sort of all the stuff that I could try to brainstorm. Yeah. Alright, what else we got? We got lots. Hey, Dan, Luke and Linus.

I've already read this one. Hey, LLD, fellow home theater enthusiast here. I'm constantly battling the ever frustrating HDMI CEC, can't even control. Any tips? Will it ever get better? Do I just need to buy an old Harmony RIP? Yeah, you do just need to buy an old Harmony remote

because I'm also having some serious issues with CEC. It's so frustrating. No matter how I configure it across my shield, my receiver, my TV, for some reason the shield will just rip the input back randomly sometimes, even when it's asleep and I can't even begin to fathom it, it drives me absolutely crazy. When CEC works, it's super magic and great. And then when it doesn't work, it's infuriating and drives me absolutely bat crap crazy. Man, what a great device that

would be just like an HDMI pass through that actually just does like great CEC handling and you could just like you could just like SSH into like that device. It could be man. It'd have to be super low powered have to be like powerable over HDMI or something. I don't know. And it'd have to maintain HDCP somehow. It's an impossible dream. But like a like a like a and a coupler that just had like proper CEC handling and was just like programmed to deal with all the random stupid edge cases would be super cool because in theory all I need is CEC but in practice it's just not good enough. Yeah. Hello Linux Danbian and Temp Luke OS.

It's a good one. This is new. Collecting gift cards until I can get a screwdriver. Sorry. Who writes the one-liners that appear after the intro in the videos? Do you have a favorite past one-liner? I can't even remember enough of them to pick a favorite one. There's definitely been some absolutely golden ones.

It's usually the writer of the video. Every once in a while, the editor will pitch in with an idea. Sometimes I'll pitch one in, not much lately, but yeah, they're, I love it. I love it. They're great. Luke, Dan, what's your squat bench deadlift?

Power lifter working in tech. Would love to get lift in. 645, 445, 550. Why didn't you ask me? Wow. You don't even lift. Wow. Wow.

They're on the cake master. Those are some pretty crazy. No one ever asked what it would take for me to not forgive you. That right there, red line. All that matters. It's good to ask those questions. Have you ever done any of those?

Nope. Yeah. Okay. Well, there you go. Carry on. Those are some pretty sick numbers. Good job. I don't do power lifting. A lot of my stuff is for therapeutic reasons. For that reason, I've been having some not major, but definitely existing back problems where like if I do anything that really involves my back after two days, it's always two, so it won't be the next day, it won't be the day after that, I'll have notable back pain and limited range of motion. So I've been trying to solve that for quite a while now. I haven't done squats or deadlifts in like probably at

least six months so I can't really know to claim where I'm at right now. My, and I also never do anything in reps less than five so my peak, not now, I'm certain it's lower now because I haven't been doing it, but my peak for squats was 335 for 5 my peak for deadlifts was 315 for 5 and my peak for bench did I actually get it I know I did 220 for 5 and I I think I got like 225 for four and a half, but didn't quite get the fifth. That's where I peaked out. That's what I'm at currently. Yeah. I have like, I don't know, I'm just so broken all the time. I used to be able to do more stuff, but like right now the thing that's impeding my bench,

my rotator cuff used to be the problem. I've kind of solved that. Now it's my front delt. I've been shifting to a lot of pushups lately instead of bench press because when I load the bar up enough, I'm getting a bunch of pain and crunchiness in my front delt and I'm really not sure what that is. So I'm working on it. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I all of it for me, like I have, on it. Yeah, I mean, all of it for me, like I have no specific goals other than I'm trying to be healthier and less broken. So if I run into some form of impediment, I am happy to skip trying to progress weights for a while if it means that I can try to fix some part

of me. And as far as I can tell, the stronger I'm getting and more able I'm getting, it's not that I'm breaking in various ways. I think I'm unveiling problems and then addressing them and then continuing forward. That's what it feels like to me at least. But yeah, it's going okay. And Dan, when was the last time you were at the gym, Dan? May 2nd. Of last year? Yeah. Well, it can't be of this year, I guess. Yeah.

I will be coming back soon. You should really check out the Knees or Toes guy. Knees or Toes guy is great. I have been checking out for quite a while. Um, quite genuinely, mostly his content, but a variety of other people's content as well is why my knees are like really good right now. Um, there was a while there where my knees

were screwed and my knees are solid. Um, my knees are absolutely not the limiting factor when it comes to things like squats anymore and I go pretty deep My my problem is is yeah, the weird really delayed onset issues with with my back and Whatever is happening. This is very the front delt thing is very recent So whatever is happening with my front delt and the delayed onset issues in my back are by far the main problems right now But I could argue about this for literally ever so we should probably skip to the next message

Yeah, I gotta apologize again for dipping for so long. It's whatever man. I just I don't know I think it's good to stay active. There's there's that oh man Now I'm gonna talk about more health stuff and we're gonna get in Let's skip it and we're gonna get another video made, so let's skip it. Anyway, hi Linus, can you update us on how your workflow has changed since Taryn joined? Has it worked out the way that you hoped? What specifically have you been able to spend more and less time on? I'd say the biggest thing is, you know, when I have an issue, I have a single or a couple

points of contact that I can bring it to. It's not always going to be resolved instantly because the real world is messy. In theory, everything is perfect. You have an org chart and you have the reporting lines and you do do do, but in practice, nothing's ever that simple. But I'd say that specifically, I've been able to spend less time on performance management and more time on making videos, which is, I think, the best thing for the company. When we were talking recently about how viewership had recovered to pre-controversy levels, it's a little lower right now, but the reason for that is in the last month we've uploaded way fewer videos. We're kind of-

The per video viewership. Yeah, we're banking up videos right now for the next little bit. And so even when things were kind of back to pre-levels, we still weren't uploading as much as we had been before. So we're actually in a healthier state from that point of view. So, and I do think that the best thing for the company is me being able to spend more time

on the creative elements of things and less time on the business administration side. There's a bit of a misconception, I think. And I think part of it is the way that I've represented myself. There's a bit of a misconception that I'm somehow incapable of leadership, incapable of setting a strategic direction. Well, I'm very self-effacing in my sense of humor. And I think a lot of the time I will publicly undermine myself in order to build up someone

else's role or their contribution. And I think that what I forgot or didn't realize or hoped to give people more credit for than that is that people wouldn't take that seriously. They would understand that while I have gotten extremely lucky to arrive where I have, I also did run the company until we had a hundred people and it I didn't step down because I couldn't do the job. I stepped down because I couldn't do two jobs. More than two jobs. I mean I was our primary host. I was our editor-in-chief and I was our CEO. It was not tenable. Also still and like I was also you did more stuff

Realistically like a chief creative officer as well. Like there was a lot that I was doing And like does that apply to the ideation for creator warehouse? Yeah, I mean sure yeah, there's and then there's creator warehouse too Which I didn't put a ton of my hours into every week, but I certainly do So I think it's less that, you know, I wasn't able to do things and it was more that I have a hard time investing energy into things that I don't enjoy and I don't want to do. And I think that I do my best work when I'm focused on the things that I do enjoy.

So like, I did some of my best work this week, right before WAN Show, when I was working with Alex on building a system in the new Calios Strecom tower. Check this thing out. Was that on Build Corner? Yeah. Oh yeah. Isn't it beautiful?

Oh. I know. Oh. I know. So it's this thing out. Was that on build corner? Yeah. Oh, yeah, isn't it beautiful? Oh, I know Oh, I know so it's this thing This was that that company that like scammed everybody basically. Yeah, here we go Kickstarter project by Calios It's been resurrected through a partnership with Streetcom We didn't want to work with them in like any kind. We didn't want to take anything from them. We didn't cover them at Computex that year because they didn't agree to refund people. But what we did say was we'd buy it.

So we bought one of the backers who wanted out. We bought their pre-order. So we've got it. We've purchased it like anyone else would if we're building in it. It's super cool. I definitely have some misgivings about, you know, its history and how it got to here. But like, I'm having a blast with that. It's like, would I rather do that or would I rather, you know, look at budgeting? I can look at budgeting. I can work on spreadsheets. I did it for years before I worked here, but it's not where I think my passion lies and it's not where I think my greatest value lies.

So spending more time on things like that, which doesn't mean zero time on administrative stuff, like I still find, you know, I still find problems and the way that Taron puts it is, you need to be careful what you say because you still wield a lot of soft power, is the way that he kind of phrased it. Because even though I'm not someone's direct boss or whatever, I have to be cognizant that my words and actions can carry a lot of weight. Asterisk, also all of the hard power. Yes, but I go out of my way to not exercise that. I know, I'm just saying.

You're not wrong, but I- But that is part of the reason why there is the understanding of the soft power being carried. As much as you don't use it, you can't ignore that that exists. Well, it's all, but it's also not all, because there's an element of mutually assured destruction. Like, if I were to, you know, exercise my hard power. But the effect of mutually assured destruction on others versus on you. Is still destruction. Oh no. I mean, you're right. In terms of... If mutually assured destruction happens, you'll be fine. Day to day, I will be fine. But in terms of, you know, other things that matter to me

a lot, I mean, not just shrink, it can be destroyed. It's, I think people from the outside probably don't realize how fragile organizations are. And I mean that not just about ourselves. I mean, look what's happened to Intel over a shockingly short period of time. Like organizations are made up of people, they're made up of processes,

they're made up of a structure that it turns out is shockingly fragile. Like it only takes a few pieces to kind of fall out of place and the whole thing can come crumbling down. of fall out of place and the whole thing can come crumbling down. I think it's actually, I think most companies are wildly more fragile than people think. Yeah. I mean, look at Intel. Are you just repeating what I said on purpose? I were you not listening? I was a little bit, definitely reading chat. Hell yeah, we don't have the same thoughts.

Yeah, hold on. So Unique Username says, wait, what's this mutually assured destruction? So like, yeah, I could literally just go full flex and I could be like, Taryn, you're fired. Luke, you're fired. Dan, you're fired. I'm literally not gonna sign your paychecks anymore.

See you later. What? Then what? Like what for me now? Cause like, you have to have that mutual respect. I respect these people to do their jobs. They respect me to not do that. And there's like, there's almost like a tension.

And I don't- It's actually like literally how the whole world works. Yeah, I don't mean that tension in a bad way. I mean the kind of tension that is like, have you seen those tables that are held up by tension? Trick, kill, oh yeah those are super cool. Trick, kill, info, playing chat said no, Luke's free computers. That's the only reason he's here. These are super cool. All of these chains are loose. Well, they're tense.

Well, right, but they're not welded. They're not solid, yeah. Yeah, they're just chains. You could push it and it would deform. And it'll wobble. So there's a tension that holds everything together where we all sort of rely on each other. And it would, I can't, the organization is at such a size,

such a scale, and again, I reemphasize, we are 1 360th the size of Disneyland, just that park, right? But we are still at a size and scale and we do so many things that if I were to, if I were to just start cutting, the results could not be predicted other than that it would be disastrous. It's almost like, you know, not fully understanding what everyone does. You shouldn't just like run around cutting jobs. What? And then having to like rehire them

because it turns out you're a big dumb idiot. Yeah. The nukes are gonna be fine. They take care of themselves. Yeah. So that's what float plane does. Yeah. I didn't know that.

Yeah. You flex too hard, you destroy the culture and then that destroys the company, right? Yeah. And I literally can't do it all myself anymore. There was a time when if the team were to come to me and say, we quit, you suck, right? Like this isn't collective bargaining. This is just, fuck you. We out. You know, right? Like this isn't collective bargaining.

This is just, fuck you. We out. You know, yeah. You wouldn't have maybe been able to do as much, but you could have kept the ship going. I could have kept the ship. The ship didn't do that much. The ship just like uploaded unboxings.

Yeah. And I could hire someone to hold the thing. Yvonne could literally like, you know, like hold the camera. It did. Yeah, it did. Quite a few times. I mean, in the earlier early days. Yeah.

But these days it's like, what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna like create float plane exclusives and do LTT and do short circuit and coordinate, you know, procurement and develop a website. Don't forget the apps and come on. You're also going to lose all your institutional knowledge. There's still a lot that is still tribal here. Well, that's the thing, right, is in the old days every job role I had done at some point. Now that's not the case. There are literally people who work here who have years of experience here doing things I have never done. Tension. Mutually assured destruction. It's good. It's healthy. But again, it's largely how like, I mean, society kind of subsists on it.

Yeah, I mean, it's a dog eat dog world, right? Like we're all I mean, you've described the world as PVP. Constant PVP environment. But that doesn't mean that it's a zero-sum game. It doesn't mean that every player has to lose. We can all win, but there are going to be degrees of winning. Yeah. And so we all have to be cognizant of the constant tension and working to make sure that our tension is beneficial

to the people around us, that we are together this table. I think that the table is society. We live in a society. Now I need to have this table. I should have this table. You can just order people to make it for you. A constant metaphor in the office. There are people here that could make that. Oh yeah, sure. No, it's not that that hard We were looking at guides a little while ago because James wanted to do it to do a tensegrity computer

Where do we put the computer though like it's not really I mean in the middle of that I guess that's basically just a computer case Exposed land of streets is employees like a table Hmm and we eat eat Anyway, they're kidding, don't worry. What else we got? There's still many. Hi LDL, love time viewer, first time merch messenger. Question for Luke, what is your opinion on using technical questions for software interviews? Is there a better way to scope out good candidates? I think I know the answer to this. Technical questions are good. I think sometimes people go way overboard with it. Like, I don't know, if you're just asking like effectively like leak code questions,

I mean, they just studied for that. Like, does that really prove anything? I don't know. that like does that really prove anything I don't know I like having people actually just try to write something like the we have a the floatplane test I try not to go into way too many details but the full plane test is generally referred to as the bad app test and we we give people a bad app and we ask them to comment it and identify why it's bad and then rewrite it, it's short and small. And since the advent of not AI assisting but just fully AI written code, we've had to like,

okay, we'll slap this through a few models and see what it outputs just to see if people are just completely copy and pasting the high-ridden code because we don't want those results. But that has actually become a somewhat fun benchmark because if you can't beat that. Then why do we bother with you? Kind of.

And to be honest, you should be able to receive that and then probably improve it a little bit here or there or make it your own in some way. But if you're literally just taking the output and slapping it in, it's not great. We also do those offline. Okay, by offline I mean like not during the video call. And as much as that's sweet because

it doesn't take up as much as my time, the actual core reason for it was I tried to do one live because I heard that was like what people did and then immediately within that call was like never mind, just take this and we'll have another call later, send it to me when you're done. Because I suspect this is always a thing, but that environment is not similar to how you're gonna be working at all. And I suspect the level of nerves when you're applying at any company is high,

let alone when it's very likely I'm sitting on the call with you and it's possible you've watched me on camera in the past. Confirmed, Luke, narcissist. Which is like, for sure, 100% I'm the best interviewer. Because I'm there in the interview. No one is good. They're probably nervous because I'm that cool.

They've now met their hero. Yeah. So everything's downhill from this moment and they're realizing that in real time. And that's a really hard environment to be coding in. It's really hard. Yeah. It's long and it's hard. It's probably the most difficult thing they've ever done.

The hardest. Yeah. Anyways, no. So yeah, I just let people take it and do it on their own. Which... I'm not even gonna dig that. It was not on purpose. Which, uh...

I wish it was. Luke no lube lefiniere. I'm not even gonna dig that, it was not on purpose. Which, uh... I wish it was. Luke no lube lefignere. At least make them some chicken first. If you're gonna take this. Oh man. No, they just need the story of it. They don't need more than that.

No, yeah, so, I don't know. That's what we do. Oh, God. Let's move on. So do these interviews take place on a couch? Buy your disinfectant at Costco. Okay. Don't forget the mineral oil. Buy the barrel. Yeah, yeah. Works.

Hi, DLL. Just don't ingest it. Speaking from experience, good advice. It's horse laxative. It's also human laxative. So yeah, be careful with that. Well, I know what I'm doing at the next company retreat. Hi, DLL. What cable sheathing would be used for the upcoming LTT store cables?

Have bad experience with braided cables shrinking, causing kinks? Hold on. I think he's fetching. Thank you. Thank you. Really leaning into the after dark thing. Nice sack. It's big. Very sizable. And black.

With the worms on the inside. That's a little... What am I doing? Like, I'm just going to... big very sizable and black with orange on the inside that's a little like Luke's interview coach so they will not have braided sleeving on them they are just the like the supple silicone style of like outer not rubber but silicone lots of silicone don't stop pointy well that's kind of flaccid in there

in there. Mm-hmm. Oh, that was tough. Anyway, the point is that they're like this. They're kind of using similar to a hobbyist grade wire stock, because I've found that in terms of durability, that's the best thing. I've also had really bad experiences with sleeving, just not lasting over the best thing. I've also had really bad experiences with Sleeving just not lasting over the long term. I

Dll why doesn't Samsung make desktop CPUs or GPUs since they already make mobile chips Apple has had great success with their m-series chips. They've brought out well, there's your answer Apple has had great success with their mobile chips Has Samsung? They certainly put them in their bones. Does anybody else want to use them? Or would they rather have something designed by Qualcomm? Like to be clear, they're not terrible. In fact, you can, I mean, with, oh, bloody hell, what's it called? Samsung's DeX.

With DeX, you can use a Samsung processor as a desktop. In fact, oh, shoot, whose, was it, was it? Whose video, whose extreme tech upgrade video was it that they were using DeX as their, like, daily driver home computer until we did the tech upgrade? I don't remember, but yeah, like people do it. Yeah, why don't they? I don't know, why doesn't anybody do anything? There's an opportunity cost, I guess they've just decided

that's not the most useful thing. They'd rather make a smart fridge or whatever. Good luck, Samsung. People are saying Matt Laverne. smart fridge or whatever. Good luck Samsung. People are saying Matt Laverne. Ah yeah yeah that sounds right. Why is it so rare for newer monitors to include more than one display port input? I have a variety of devices to connect and use at the same time so a KVM doesn't help. So what do you wanna do? You wanna have, like you want it side by side?

Is that right? So, okay, one, I actually share your perplexity because every HDMI port, to my understanding, costs a royalty fee. Whereas DisplayP, has no royalty per port. So it is a little weird to me that we don't just all use display port because like that would be cheaper. And you look across the electronics industry, basically every decision seems to be driven by how we can make it cheaper. I don't know. It's a good

question, but you are right. Very, very few monitors include more than one DP input However, if I had to guess I would say that the reason you don't see PIP or picture-by-picture Support for a DisplayPort is that DisplayPort can very easily be converted to anything else So if you have a DP output from some device Then you can easily turn it into HDMI or VGA or DVI or whatever, mini DisplayPort, whatever you need to do. You could turn DisplayPort into anything, but turning some of those other things into DisplayPort

is not always as cost-effective or convenient. So I don't really see it as a problem because if you have a DPN and an HDMI in, and two DP devices, then you can just convert one of the DPs to HDMI, and boom, you're good to go. Especially now that DP and HDMI have basically reached parity, or close to parity.

They kind of leapfrog each other now in terms of the bandwidth that they can support. It used to be that DP was like, typically a generation ahead of HDMI, but now I think HDMI is actually ahead of DP, but then we got DP 2.1A, and that can do up to 80 gigabit, but now I think HDMI is actually ahead of DP, but then we got DP 2.1A and that can do up to 80 gigabit, but now the new HDMI is coming. So I guess what I'm saying is I don't think this matters, and if what you want is for those devices to plug into the monitor and to

switch between them, although it sounds like you are aware of KVMs, but are you aware of really good KVMs? Like this one from the level one tech store. Let's go which can do 120 Hertz 4k and USB 3 and multi-monitors, which is like Super cool Yeah, so a lot of different configurations to Wendell Wendell store is funny because he's got like merch crap That like is just merch crap and then he's got like actually like we built an incredible freaking product We did the best one. Yeah, we like we thought KVM's were bad. So we were like, fuck it

I'll build my own KVM if we made the best with blackjack and hookers this one does four computers in a single line I'm trying to find the like the big chonker super mondo one. Yeah, I think it's Triple monitors two computers. Here's this guy There's some there's some there's one wild one. There's gotta be a way you can filter by just the KVM Yeah, you'd think that but maybe maybe it was a custom one that he sent over to Jake or something. I don't remember. Products, come on. Hardware, really hardware? Okay, fine.

There was one like super thick boy that I've seen. Maybe it was never a real product. Oh, here's a good one. Two computers, quad monitor. Check this out. Oh, I think that's what I was thinking of. I think that's the biggest one. Quad monitor, 4 computer, that's the one.

Nevermind. Yep, this is the one. That's crazy. The fact that this exists is just so sick. I'm so happy someone makes that. I mean, it's not cheap. And it's also sold out. But it technically exists, I think we might have one anyway Wow have read me contacts he's he's just popular he's just popular

hi LLD Linus how is the built-in GPU CPU of the Mac. Have you run any LLMs or games on it, and have you used the new Siri on it? I have not used any of that yet. I've been trying to figure out how to have my monitor scale properly, so I'm pretty far away from doing anything performance-reliant on it. I went out to LL. I tentatively bought the tax write-off shirt after not being able to handle sensory feel of the original American Apparel shirts, and it was great.

Are all the current shirts the new one? No. I believe some of the mysteries in this latest batch are some American Apparel stuff that we found. Also the- But I think this is the last of it. The white, the pure white shirt is different as well, isn't it? It's different but it's not American apparel. It is one of ours but the composition is different. It's- it is quite different. Just as a heads up. The reason for that is that making a white shirt that is as sheer as our dark shirts. Right. Problematic.

Right. Problematic. Dude, the archive. You don't like pokies, dude? Dude, the archive of products that I've tried on, one of these days we should just release it as a Floatplane exclusive download or something, because there is some hilarious stuff that they've had me try on over the years like there's this one time Bridget had me try on like a ladies

Like white tank top essentially when I was like, I don't remember why there was a reason for it, but it was ridiculous Any scope creep stories my company got tired of whining about me not being quick enough to work on another shop's gear Now I'm training someone to configure CNC mills to pull from a networked FTP server Literally everything I think this whole company I think that's the company culture Yeah, I've just like, more workings for things. There's one. Like, dude. The fact that we did that at all is scope creep.

Like that was so incredibly. Linus, you do motherboard unboxings. We had no business. Now you're holding a screwdriver. Making a screwdriver. That's stored in a tech sack along with all those other things. Partnered with Noctua yeah the the detaching like top on the magnetic parts tray on the precision screwdriver set Like that like why I'm already in full plane chat said 1 million sales is scope creep like honestly. Yeah

Let's go that's the that's 100 hundred K. Well yeah the million one's still boxed. Oh can I see? I don't get it. You gotta make the point. I'm working on it. You gotta seal it. I'm working here. Go get there. We'll get there. It's decently heavy, hey? Oh yeah, she's heavy, boys. There you go. There's some scope creep right there. A million orders.

Have you held it? No. Oh yeah, wow. That is like, you would expect it to weigh less. Yeah. It's pretty nice. Question for Luke. I recently got a pair of budgies.

That's not a question. I knew it was coming too. I never expect it. I really should by now. I expect it every time. What qualities would you look for in a good bird vet? And what are some red flags for a bad one? Concern that I might have bumblefoot. Any tips?

What is bumblefoot? that I might have Bumblefoot. Any tips? What is Bumblefoot? I don't know. Oh, Luke's about to google it. Let's go chat GPT vet. Oh wow. Bacterial infection that can, of the foot, that can affect birds, rodents, and rabbits. We've never had this. I've never ran into that before. Man, I don't know. The thing that we did was we went to the only actual avian specialist in, as far as I know, the province. So unless we drove through the mountains for hours, there was really no other option. Well, technically there is, because there was like exotic pet vets, but they wouldn't specialize in birds or avians. They would be into basically not cats and dogs, although

I'm pretty sure they generally take those too, but they would have experience with other ones. So we found the only one that really specialized in birds and birds are weird. So I think it's pretty good to find a vet that can specialize in birds. That was honestly all we did. I mean, outside of that, it's just general stuff for the same types of things that you might probe questions for to try to find a good mechanic. If there's something that you are absolutely assured in your knowledge of, talk to them about it and see, do they try to upcharge you on something when they shouldn't? Stuff like that. I would also think that it would be pretty wise to try to find a vet that you can board your birds at so that if you want to go on

vacation or have to leave town for a certain period of time because of some form of emergency, there is somewhere that you can leave your birds that can actually take care of them properly. Leaving them with a friend is free, which is awesome because leaving them with the vet, it can be very expensive, but you're kind of, especially with budgies, they're so fragile, they're so prone to death and in incredibly easy ways

that really can't be controlled. That while you're kind of putting a lot on the person that you're leaving them with, like, I don't know. I've never had an issue with dog sitting, for example, but leaving our birds with somebody just sounds like I'm kind of setting them up for failure. Like it's not the birds, which might be true.

It's more the person, like you're putting a lot on them. Like the chance that you come home to dead birds and then they feel horrible for the rest of ever is really high and that's just a lot to put on someone. Hi, my boyfriend has been a long time fan of LTT and ever since he told me that Linus is a Swifty, I've been listening to the WAN show with him. I wanna know what Linus's favorite Taylor album is.

Ooh, man, people are gonna hate this, but I don't really listen to albums. I mean, I think that's pretty normal these days. I don't know how many Taylor Swift albums I could name. Hold on, hold on, red. Taylor Swift, I believe she has just an eponymous, eponymous, eponymous? I think it's eponymous.

No idea. Hmm. Not gonna look at chat. Dan, how many albums does she have? Can you find that out for me? Like how close am I? Do I have like, you know, a solid 40% of the albums? You keep responding to things.

Oh, they're lighter now. Eleven studio albums, five EPs, four live albums, four re-records. Oh. She's not quite as prolific as King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, but she's up there. Okay. See, that photo's...

She's not quite as prolific as the King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, but she's up there. Yeah, an extra thuh in there, but good. It was a solid attempt. Damn it, damn it! Okay, I give up. The Giz! Oh crap, I missed 1989 and Midnight.

I would have missed all of them if it helps. Oh my God, reputation, I never even heard of that. You don't have one anymore. Eponymous, okay. Speak Now. What the hell is Speak Now? Back to December. No, no, it's a whole album. Oh, it's a re-record. Is it? Oh, what? Speak Now was from? Third studio album. 2010. Wrote the album entirely herself while touring in 2009 and 2010 to reflect her transition from adolescence to adulthood. I think Enchanted is good, I think?

I don't know man. I yeah, I don't think I don't think I have a favorite album Um, hmm. Every single one has been number one in the US, but Taylor Swift. Really? Which was her first album. Wow. That's bonkers. That's kind of wild. Okay, what was on Taylor Swift?

Our song? I liked our song. That's good. Teardrops on my guitar was huge man was that song ever huge And your twinsies Yep Okay, five twins. Do you still have thick thighs? I think so I mean, even though I couldn't play badminton-ton, I've been like on the Stairmaster.

Oh, right. You just mentioned you lost weight. Hitting that Stairmaster. I'm back up. Just wasn't eating enough. Hello, the talent. How it goes. Pajoratively. Hey! And the talent.

Luke, how do you find motivation to do management? As a dev, it looks unrewarding, thanks to your resolute commitment to transparency and integrity. The reward is, um... What is it again? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I think it's breadth of impact. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. It's like teaching. Like you can do so much more by like building a team than you can by just doing things yourself. Being helpful and supportive.

Yeah, if you're going to build a team, you're going to need to manage. Yeah. So like it is what it is. Yeah. I don't love that part. Yeah. But I love like, dude. Well, there's parts't love that part, but I love like dude. Well, there's parts to love about that part though.

Yeah, sometimes. Yeah. I think they're. Okay. Living vicariously through the personal growth of others is like actually super rewarding. That is super cool. We're not living vicariously

because that is a negative connotation, but like. I'm not trying to dissuade people from becoming managers either. I just, I think there's a lot of thankless aspects to it and there's a lot of really junk aspects to it and you end up being I don't know I don't want to get way too into it but there are absolutely positives you end up being How do I say this in a way that I'm not gonna piss off some various groups of people

The reward is you get a ton of flack. I mean, that's part of it. What is this? Why is this career as Taylor Swift eras? That's amazing. How? Wait, what? This was from four months ago and literally doesn't have a single upvote. That's sad because that's an amazing post. This is hilarious. Why did Dark Rainbow? Oh, you know what? I bet Dark Rainbow is like DR win or whatever. This is hilarious. But that is a golden post.

Sorry, yeah, carry on. But yeah, you end up dealing with a lot of people's personal issues inside and outside of work. And that can be really heavy. The lines between work and not work are very blurry. Yeah, and that can be really heavy when you're doing that for a wide variety of people at the same time. So you're like receiving all of this stuff

and it is usually negative because life is hard and life is hard for everybody. So it's just, I don't know. And that's, you don't wanna not do that because you like care about these people. But when you go home at the end of the day, sometimes it's like- And if you go, don't care, you can't care,

you're not cut out for it. Because the only thing that can motivate you to work with the team is if you actually care. For sure. Otherwise you'll be a terrible manager and you just shouldn't. And sometimes it's honestly, I mean, we're coming back to that rewarding thing, right? Sometimes you can help people get through it. And there's only so much you can do about that being their like manager at work. But sometimes you can help, you know, get people's mind off

things or shift people so that they're doing a different type of work or something that can help them in some way. You're not necessarily going to be the solution, but you might be able to be at least part of it, which can be really cool and deeply rewarding, but also sometimes it's just really heavy. And sometimes there's no real way that you can help other than just being an ear. Which can suck. But again is one of those things where like I wouldn't want people to not do that. Like if you're on my team I want to help you. So it's just I don't know there's just there's a lot of downsides that I don't think get a lot of light but it is what it is, it's fine. More for Luke.

Hi Luke, I'm an engineer at Cloudflare. What's a product or feature you wish we offer but don't? Go with something really selfish. Discount prices for tech YouTubers. That'd be great. Do they domain registrar yet? That'd be great. Do they do.ca yet?

Yeah, they're domain registrar. They have been for a long time. Oh, okay. Yeah, support.ca domains. Okay, well, that's why I was asking, because I know we don't use them. Yeah, we do. We do?

Yeah. Oh, but not for our.cas. Yeah. Okay, so we can't switch everything over to them. Which is silly and weird. How about that? How about your domain registrar business has more domains and then we could have all our domains through you? That would be sick. Please do that. Can you think of

anything else? The tech side of Cloudflare I'm like pretty happy with and always have been, which is why I've been using them for so long. Something that is like actually a big problem at Cloudflare that you probably can't fix, because you're an engineer and your side is probably working pretty well, is that your support is not awesome and hasn't been for a long time. And like there's a system that a bunch of companies have where you have like the team that's assigned to you, right? And the reason why you get direct emails to a team that's assigned to you is because you're supposed to like

have those people for a long time. But then you're either a quickly growing or quickly declining tech company, because that seems to be the only status tech companies are ever in. So that team is extremely ephemeral. You'll have it for like six months. And then every six months, you get an email from somebody you've never heard of before saying, oh, hey, we'd love to have an onboarding call because you have a new team. Can you please explain what your entire company does? Because

we have no idea because apparently we store zero documentation on anything. And it's incredibly annoying and honestly just a huge waste of time. Wow. Tell us how you really feel Luke. It's very frustrating. And then you had support tickets in with the previous team that they were dragging absolute butt on for weeks, if not months. And then those just get disappeared when the new support team shows up. We literally had an issue with Cloudflare that we were trying to resolve for over a year.

And the last round of trying to resolve it, one of the people were like, hmm, yeah, never heard of this before. Never seen anything on it. I'm like... Cool. Sick. All right, let's not go too hard at them there. Yeah. The tech is great though. Okay, cool. We have no intention of stopping to use Cloudflare. The support team that we have right now does seem pretty okay.

These are mostly problems of the past. It's good. We like your stuff. Keep going. Hi, Dale. Quick question to Linus. What flower Lego sets are you recommending? Like right now? Ah, flower Lego sets. Hold on. Tax write off sale, shop all deals. Free shipping on orders over $ write-off sale, shop all deals. Free shipping on orders over $175.

Whoa, look at that. There's a free shaft extension with every stubby screwdriver. Oh. $10 off the scribe driver for the tax write-off sale. That's appropriate. Oh. Did you know we've burned through like 60,000 shafts already out of our 100,000 shafts?

That's a lot. It's like me in college. We have sold- Serious question. A few scribe drivers. That's a lot. It's like me in college. We have sold... Serious question. A few scribe drivers. Once you burn through all of them, what do you do? Off-site laptop bag, $39.99. This is crazy. This is a really nice bag, really high quality bag, full of lots of great pockets for organizing your gear. You cannot fit a submarine inside but you can fit many things inside. Enjoy it. That's a good question. I think that there is still some, I think the story is still

fun, you know, that we developed the product to... Oh no, I think that's fine. But like, do you, do you come up with a die or whatever you're going to need to make those specifically instead of... Because I'm assuming the way that you make them now is just gone the second you're out of those shafts. Yeah. Yeah. We're out of shafts once we're out of shafts. And you don't use like two for every pen or something? No. It turns out that I might've said that at some point. I was wrong about that. We use a shaft for the knurling

and the top housing is brand new. Fresh. Yeah. I think that we actually had this conversation in merge meeting this week. They showed me a replicated crappy knurling job because they were like, okay, they did the worst they could.

Is this worst enough? Would we want it to be good, or would we want it to be like the bad one? And I basically went, okay, well, if we continued to manufacture fail pens, that was the original code name of the project, fail pen. If we were to manufacture fail pens, that was the original code name of the project, fail pen. If we were to manufacture fail pens, we would want them to be as close to the original as possible, and I don't think I would want to differentiate for people whether it's a fail pen or a not fail pen.

Unless it's just a version two and you call it like the write-off or something. Yeah, I don't know. That was a name that I sold from somebody in Philip Lane Chat like months ago by the way. I think what we would probably do, assuming we are successful enough with the product to continue moving through the remaining tens of thousands of shafts, because when I say there's that many shafts left, that's like virgin shafts. we have manufactured pens as well that also have shafts stop that also have shafts in them so it's gonna be a while before we burn through all of our like faulty shafts for the original screwdriver production run um what to do what to do

I don't know. If you're buying the flower set for someone, just figure out what their favorite flower is and try to find a set that has that. They have a bunch of sets that we've figured out. What do you think is the right thing to do? Should we just make fail pens? I think so. Is it still an interesting enough product development story, even if you're not actually buying a piece of that,

like, time we got scammed? I think it's more interesting to say this was so successful that we ran out of the failed material and now we just make it for real. I think that's entirely legit. That's what the team wants to do. I think that's entirely legit. Okay, I'll think about it some more.

It's a cool product. You don't have to just not make it. It's pretty cool to turn that lemon into a man cuz like let's say let's say an average sell price of I don't know because we've we've promoted a couple times So let's say an average sell price of like 25 bucks across its lifetime If we actually sell through all of them, it's a ton that's like way Huh, how many shafts was there?

100,000. To be clear, we did pay for those shafts and we did pay to- And you gotta ship them around and you gotta re-tool them. That ain't all profit. You have to buy the ink cartridge and put it in a package and all that jazz. Pay people to do all that stuff. But I genuinely deeply think there is no reason to stop making them.

I don't remember what the loss was. I think it was $100,000 or whatever. Man, that is a- That's pretty dealt with. That is some good lemonade. Man, we're- Extremely tasty lemonade. Dude, we're good sometimes.

We're like really good at stuff sometimes. Yeah. Aviation AJ says, what about the pencil version? That's still coming. I'm more leaning to this point that it would be like, it would be lame if that was the reason why you stopped. Okay. I think if you were like, you know what, this product is run its course, we're not selling

like a ton of them anymore, whatever, whatever. Okay, we're gonna stop making them when we run out of that's that's completely fine. That's its own reason. But if you're like, Oh, no, the product story was whatever. So we have to stop now. Like, that's lame. I think that's lame. I think it would be kind of cool if we gave people a chance to like, get one of those.

Like if we kind of warned people when we were down to the last couple thousand. Absolutely. Yeah, why not? Sure. But then after that, yeah, we just, yeah, we make a success pin. Yeah, yeah, sure. Stole that from Negev in the float plane chat. That's pretty good. I work for a large airlines and I'm currently in the process of developing a new operation center.

What challenges is LTT faced in internal communications, i.e. email teams, that one random group chat? Lots, but I don't know if you guys are ready to talk about our new deployment yet. Oh, it's kind of up to Dan, I think. There'll be a Floatplane exclusive coming where I kind of gush about the last month of my progress on it. And I believe the Dan Daley's series will be continuing. So we'll be able to follow the internal processes as we develop them forever until you get sick of it.

Basically, we're working on a new tool that is going to help to sync information across all of the various tools that we use so that finding that single source of truth becomes a little less difficult. One of the ways that I guess we're talking about a little bit now, I won't go, I won't dive too much into it though. One of the ways that I've really liked that Dan has been bouncing off me for this thing for a long time is that he wants to reduce the thinking. I hate thinking. Less thinking. I've said it many times in executive

meetings and Terran lunches, but I hate working and I'm really lazy and I wish more people at the company hated working and were really lazy. We really kind of go into busy work that isn't fun or productive or creatively stimulating. And the less work we do from doing that kind of go into busy work that isn't fun or productive or creatively stimulating. And the less work we do from doing that kind of garbage, the more room we have to be creative and think and be happy. So if you have to think like, how am I supposed to do this thing? Or it comes down to where do I find that information? Where do I find that information?

Not even that. What's the process for this? What am I supposed to do? What task do I start with? I have 50 tasks, which one do I do? What are my priorities? You get a list where your priority is at the top and then you just do that one. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess we'll talk more about it some other time, but it's, it's, it's exciting. It's been a lot of work. It's going to be a lot more work, but it's exciting. I've been really enjoying it. This just seems like a good time to talk about Flowplain. Flowplain's cool. This was really funny. They quote unquote promoted Colton. It's epic. He got back from a vacation and they promoted him to receptionist. You should watch it.

I will. Oh no, there was a flow plane call out that I think we were supposed to do. Oh really? I always forget. I got swamped and forgore. As far as I know, this is actually Dan's fault now. It has always been my fault.

Where is it? I see it. Should just be above the sponsors. Full plane this week got two really good videos this week. Oh That's hilarious, so I accidentally did the thing and remind me of the thing that I'm supposed to I'm supposed to play a timestamp From it. Oh you literally like almost exactly did the talking place That's amazing man. I'm good Okay here we ready

Then you ready I think, that's Linus' laptop. It is that button. Yep. Welcome to Linus' Media Group. Have a Linus' day. See ya. Bye. Like and subscribe. That's what I say. Like and subscribe. Subscribe to the plate. Buy some merch. Oh, there's Jamie. Oh, there he is. Jamie also asked, he was at the other building, he's like, are you going over to, uh, are you going over to studio? I was like, why? Nice. Uh, sorry, what else were we supposed to say?

Secondly, you might have seen this reddit post. Oh, yeah. Oh Okay, this says it wasn't only Elijah who was there all employees of LMG fpmcw Got an all-expense paid trip to Disneyland and Sammy who wasn't supposed to be working Did you put that in no Yeah that I already did as well. Vlogged from his perspective and other employees volunteered their time to be in the video. Timestamp 2025. That's the face of dedication. Say my notes. Oh my god. You can't do that. You give all influencers a bad reputation. You do that stuff. Okay, anyway, what else is in here? I ran into Luke multiple times and him looking around for who was yelling his name was funny says Sammy did you know it was him?

Well eventually because I would find him. That's hilarious. I don't know if I always did but. Okay if you see these videos and you like them head over to LMG.GG slash flow plane or for the lazy a YouTube membership at our LTT member plus tier will get you access to all the same stuff but at a worse price so you should just use Flowplain. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. All right, Dan, what else we got? Cop a more home stretch. Let's see. Spent all day troubleshooting six DCs that were failing to talk thanks to slight time differences causing caribonos to SMP failures.

What annoying thing caused you loads of grief recently? Oh, my MacBook. I've noticed in many Jeep, oh, yeah, getting rid of that one too. Luke and Linus, how do you feel about IPT, Integrated Product Teams, versus regular functional teams? My company just switched to IPTs and I am skeptical. What? What is an integrated product team? I've not even

heard of this. Dan, if you're curating something, you should probably know what it is. Isn't that your job? No. Oh, multiply dictionary group of people who are collectively responsible for delivering a defined product or process. How is that different from just like a team? What was the other one that they said was the other thing regular functional teams

Okay, I think if we don't and if we don't know I think it's okay to say don't I'm just like we have no feelings Okay, sure not all if they're in the description, I'm just like, what? We have no feelings. Okay, sure. They're not all dev, they're a mix. But then someone else said it's single skill people. So those are contradictory. Okay. Sorry, we don't know.

As an enterprise storage engineer, is there anything in storage technology development you find exciting? I mean, anything distributed is always pretty cool to me. I love resiliency. Anything to do with tiering is always super cool to me. Anything like with automated storage tiers. Other than that, no, I think that's all trends

that are very much happening with or without my participation, but it's cool. High-speed interconnects. Woo, unified memory is cool. I mean, we have it. Hello, DLL. How do you keep the senior staff motivated and focused on the job, especially when they don't agree

with the business decisions at hand? You have to reach consensus. I mean, at the end of the day, that's always the goal. You have to get aligned. And if you can't get aligned, then it probably means that someone isn't being rational. And in those cases, what you have to do is you have to rationally agree to compromise. Okay, let's try this for a

little bit. Let's give it a good real effort and if it doesn't work then we all need to rationally be willing to reevaluate. You don't have to agree with everything that happens at your company. I think you have to support it. Yeah, you have to do your job. And your job isn't always to just agree with everything. But your job also isn't to like hardline refuse to do everything all the time. There might be situations where that makes sense.

I'm sure this has happened to people that are in chat right now where like it's it is Morally unacceptable to do a thing that your your boss or company asked asked of you But that's not usually the case so I think There's there's this concept where like Everyone bickering over how to do something is almost always worse than trying to come to a relatively quick consensus on something and then trying it and actually doing the thing and then evaluating and going from there.

So sometimes you just gotta do stuff. And I mean, sometimes like even from a management perspective, sometimes when you know something is going to fail, you have to let the person fail because as much as you can tell them it will fail if they don't experience it, they don't get that learning. So it just has to happen anyways. So sometimes you can be like, well, this is going to be a waste of time because they're going to fail. It's not going to work. But it's not actually entirely a waste of time. It might be a waste of time in regards to your project completion time, but it's not a waste of time in regards to that person's professional development, which is still valuable, assuming they stay on the team. So anyways. Big D, little L, medium D. Huge fan of y'all. Was wondering if perhaps my favorite tech team

could wish me and my fiance a happy engagement. Jerry and Brandy from Justin, Texas. Happy engagement, Jeremy and Brandy from Justin, Texas? Are you anywhere else? Or Justin, Texas? He curated it to just make that joke. Did you really? I know that that's what he did now.

You've ruined their engagement. Oh. Who curated this? Not me. Not me, Luke. So why is this just chaos creating? It's the end of the show. It's that kind of night.

I'm not even, do you want me to read it? You have to read the thing. You have to read the thing. I feel like you should read it, and then we should just end the show. Oh God, oh no. I fixed it. Okay, go ahead and read the thing. I'm to read the thing! I feel like you should read it and then we should just end the show. Oh god, oh no! I fixed it. Okay, go ahead and read the thing.

I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Love your stuff very well made. What do you think of the current USA administration? We'll see you again next week! Bye! Save that time, save that channel!

Bye! I'm sorry.