The WAN Show - Nintendo and Nvidia Compete in Scumbag Competition - WAN Show May 9, 2025

Episode Date: May 10, 2025

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or and What's up everybody and welcome to the WAN show we got a great show lined up for you guys this week ooh There's some Juicy tea being spilled about Nvidia being terrible to reviewers and partners again and another never totally unexpected news Nintendo of America wants you to give up the right to sue them, and to give them the right to brick your console remotely.

Man, these guys are really like, they're really trying to win the who can be the biggest scuzz bag this week competition, aren't they? Yeah. Look at that, tying it all back to the title of the video like that. What a pro he really is, ladies and gentlemen. gentlemen speaking. It's fantastic seeing a professional work like this Look at the way. He doesn't even give his host a chance to say a word just talks continuously happening to Tolerance it's tolerance and and in the obviously all good news show we have GTA 6 being delayed by like a year Maybe and company towns are back on the menu again

Let's go. Oh boy. Oh Did we both press it uh-huh nice Oh, the show is brought to you today by Odoo, Green Man Gaming, and AMD. Of course, alongside our rap partner Dbrand, our chair chair partner secret lab and our laptop partner Dell all right they did a bit more rapping it seems which oh yeah I saw that actually I like it I like and when we do after dark it'll glow it won't because we keep the lights on now but it would have who do you want to do first and or n oh what did you think I was asking I mean why why would one of us wait we could do it at the same time it works for Beyonce let's go with shorter in yeah sure and video is Allegedly I'm gonna throw in an allegedly there even though I totally believe all of this allegedly I believe it

After Nvidia withheld the 8 gigabyte variant of the 5060 Ti which led to delayed coverage This is my personal theory although. I think a lot of other folks agree with me. Delayed coverage as a strategy to bury any reviews of it so that people searching for this card would only find search-optimized coverage of the 16GB variant. NVIDIA has struck again with the RTX 5060. TechSpot, Hardware Unboxed, Hardware Lux, and many more. Does many more include LTT Labs? Many more, yeah.

Have confirmed that they are not receiving drivers for the RTX 5060 until its launch date, May 19th. The cherry on top is not only does this delay any non-rushed review of this card, but May 19th is the first day of Computex, meaning that, I mean, this says several, but I would say many reviewers won't be able to test the card at all since

they are going to be working on the show floor doing coverage of all the cool tech that you guys want to hear about. I do think less reviewers are going to show this these days, but it's still true. I mean, we're going to be there. Yeah. I'm going to have some fun. I love Computex. Badminton time.

I'm actually excited to play badminton and also Computex was there. Genuinely though, I do enjoy Computex more than CES. I never got to do C-Bit, which I heard was really good, but Computex is my favorite of the remaining shows that I have been to. Me too, for sure. All right, here's a very off-topic question just to get the show started off right. Wasn't quite done with that topic, but sure. We we can come back are you gonna be able to go to badminton centers in Taiwan without just like inspecting? Everything. Oh, don't imagine that. I wasn't already doing that for years I mean, I've I've wanted to build my own center for I think my first email to my realtor was over five years ago So like dude, I've been I've been on it. I've been on it No, buddy, my buddy over

there who runs like half a dozen centers when I was there last year, and I think was like in the process of opening up two more because the year before when I went there, he had just opened one center and I was like, dude, you did a great job. I can't believe the budget you did this on the demand for this is so high and completely unmet. Every time I come here, it's like impossible to find a court. You should just like do more of this. But like, you know, that's not advice or anything. Like I didn't want to be responsible for like his whole financial situation. So I come back a year later and he f***ing went all in and started up like five more centers and he was like and I owe you I owe you for it all because I wouldn't have done it if you like didn't tell me to do it

And I was like yo dog you owe me nothing for one thing I don't want to be on the hook for that because if it had gone terrible you definitely would have owed me nothing in that situation Too this is all on you. You did a great job, but apparently he's me nothing in that situation too. This is all on you. You did a great job, but apparently he's killing it. Like, just killing it. So anyway, I'm gonna go see my buddy when I'm over there, but where was I going with this? I forget. So yeah, I've been scoping them out. Yeah. Okay, anyway. The point is, several outlets are once again accusing Nvidia of trying to bury any negative coverage of this card before the cards hit the shelves and consumers start ordering them.

I can't think of another explanation. I have not heard one. But here's the thing. Like I don't... I can't fathom Nvidia at this point. Because on the one hand, they like play these silly games and they will they will swear up and down that they are not playing games in situations like this. That the drivers just weren't quite ready yet or whatever, right? But if the drivers aren't ready yet, then just delay it, okay? So we can poke logical holes in any argument around this, right? You are playing games. Right, okay. So now that we've established you are playing

games, the question is why? Yeah, what's the point? Because every other aspect of your behavior indicates you don't give a f***k about these value oriented G-Force cards. So why? The stakes are so low for you. Just they... I've called for this before. I'm gonna do it again. Spin off G-Force. Just spin it off as a separate business unit. Then you don't have to worry about the crappy P&L that's like mucking up your beautiful AI, self-driving machine vision, you know, friggin' digits, grid, like beautiful balance sheet, right? It can just sit over there and have like crappier margins

and a bunch of retail customers that are like a ton of work and like are whining at you all the time. And you got this tech media that basically has a borderline adversarial relationship with you at this point. You just go silo that off. You license the chip technology to them. They do, they handle all the G-Force drivers and everything. Why not? What is the argument against it at this point? Because they clearly, like you look at how botched the 50 series launch has been.

They clearly don't have their eye on the prize. They're not on the ball when it comes to G-Force because they're demotivated. All the money isn't working on this other stuff. So you need to have a separate BU or even, I dare say, separate company. Nvidia GeForce. Call it GeForce Gaming Corp or something. Who cares? You have this separate company whose entire job is to crush it in GeForce, is to delight gamers, you know, like you used to. Because I just, I just don't understand it. They say there's no game, right? But like, and like what is the point? I understand it's like of way lower importance and it like has to be when looking at their financial statements. But when you look at like the original CES announcement

of the 5,000 series, he still led with G-Force stuff. The vast majority of the presentation. That's just the hook. No, I know. But if that's still the hook, then I don't think you split it off. I'm not convinced that the average Nvidia data center procurer, you know,

chief procurement person at some AI thing. I'm not convinced that they really give two hoots about how good an RTX whatever is. I don't know, man. For sure, but there might be an expectation that they do. And if you get that chief procurer guy to buy a 5090, I do think there's a higher chance that that person will have some type of bias towards that. Sure, but there's plenty of cases where you have somewhat affiliated, excuse me, affiliated companies who cross license technology

between them and they could still, they could even call it like Nvidia Corp and Nvidia Gaming Corp, right? Like there's no reason not to still retain some Nvidia branding, retain some association. The beginning of that keynote could have been, we're excited to announce with our partner GeForce Corp, based on our all new architecture, the GeForce whatever. I don't think it would go better. Jensen could even hire himself as the CEO of the other company.

I don't care. The point is just that they gotta get it off the balance sheet so they can get realistic about what consumers can afford in terms of their margins. I don't think it's gonna change. What do you mean by realistic in terms of what consumers can afford? Because they're selling everything right now anyways.

So like, in regards to what they will pay, which is all that they actually care about, not what can they afford, they're doing it. So maybe they are really realistic about it. Like if we're just being honest, because every time that there's been a GPU shortage or everybody buying cards for mining or whatever, they've flown off the shelves every time and consumers have shown that they'll buy scalped GPUs for

$3,000 a pop because they want four more FPS in Fortnite. Like this is... You just can't use the word realistic when they're like out of stock everywhere. And that's the other hole that I can poke in their we're not playing games story. They're gonna be out of stock anyway. Yeah. So launch it a week later. That's the biggest one for me. So launch it a week later or two weeks later,

it doesn't matter. Keep the production going full tilt, which you obviously haven't been doing anyway. Produce as much as you can, and you're still going to sell it on launch day anyway. Just in case that's confusing for people, he means because they're putting production towards data center stuff instead of these cards. With that said, with that said, prices have started to creep down. A little bit.

They're creeping down though. I don't think that's Nvidia stated prices though. Not as, no, no, no, no, no, because well, they've never officially changed to the MSRBs, so. Yeah. But the street prices are slowly ticking their way down. There's not really any pressure on them on the high end, but I.

There's none. You know what? I'm taking some validation here. I'm gonna do a little victory lap. I know, unusual thing. Go ahead, press the button. But he doesn't know! I'm pretty sure. Well, anyway. I think that Intel's presence in the market is a threat. Oh yeah, I mean I hope so dude. That's the theory that I've clung to and Battlemage seems legit, like and seems to be selling legit. Do you see how many board partners they

have now? Like that's an indication. I haven't looked into that. Dude, dude we're at the point now where they're like almost breaking into brands you would have considered buying a GPU from before Intel GPUs existed. One quick sec. I know it's not like it got a low amount of views, it got over a million views, but this video is very interesting. And if you haven't watched it, you should go watch it. It's not just like, oh, did I have bugs or not? The conclusion is very interesting, and how they both got to their individual conclusions is very interesting. You should go watch the video. Like you could you can buy an ARC B580 from like Acer or ASRock. ASRock I'd say is like the closest we're getting to like a real

add-in board partner. When I start seeing like, you know, MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS putting their necks out to want to be part of the ARC arc train then I'm gonna I'm gonna really be a believer But at least it's not at least it's not all you know onyx Yeah, onyx does seem to be a significant player for Intel here, so there does seem to be a little bit of desperation factor, but they're not the only one anymore, and that's that's exciting to me, so I not the only one anymore and that's that's exciting to me so I I'm gonna say hey I'm I'm glad I'm standing behind everything I said about the importance of Intel being part of this and like we said in the title of that video Luke just popped up please please Intel do not can discrete graphics please because

the thing is it's not like they're going to stop development of Arc. Arc is a key strategic piece for them, continuing to compete with AMD on mobility. So it's not like Celestial and Druid are not going to be developed. It's just a question of whether we're going to get the large scalescale more power hungry ones that would go in and add in GPU and It is not a good sign that B 770 the bigger card for this generation is allegedly cancelled although I did see a rumor that allegedly it is like uncancelled or maybe was never cancelled and maybe is still coming dude the rumor mill around Intel's GPUs haves has actually been horrible.

Oh, I know. It's been way more inflammatory and also inaccurate than most rumor mill cycles are. I'm not gonna name a particular YouTuber, but there's a particular YouTuber that on a super regular basis would be talking about how ARC is definitely canceled now. Like repeatedly to the point where I'm just like,

dude, even a broken clock is right a couple times a day. Like can you just not even bother anymore at this point? Because like I just got tired of reading it. And other sites would just pick up these rumors and just run with them. And I'm like, do you have any idea how stressful that is to the people that actually work? Within that department that are just rough What what what what and then and then it turns out to not even be true and we 100%

Get arc battle majors like okay, so What was this based on? Okay, I don't know man. I don't know man. Ehhhh. Anyway. Nah, I'm not- Nah, I'm not gonna name and shame. I'm not interested in naming and shaming, but apparently B-770 is anticipated to fi- You know what?

I'm not even gonna read these specs, but I really hope- I really hope it happens, cuz Battle Mage, man. Let's go. Alright, what else we got, what else we got? You wanna talk about the other big one? Sure, why not? Can Nintendo just like be likable? No. For once?

Nope. Like I just, dude, I just wanna, it's kind of like, okay, okay, what's it like? Okay, it's like if you love Kit Kats, you know? And you just, you just wanna enjoy your your KitKat without thinking about all the f***ing water this company is stealing from all the poorest people on earth. Nestle. And you're just like, I can't even enjoy this! I just want to guilt free enjoy Mario.

Okay? I just, I just, I don't want to,- I don't wanna think about the beast that I'm feeding. Can you even like- would something like this- Oh no, I'm sorry, Coby. Kit Kat is Nestle? Why? I'm right, I know! So many things are Nestle. I love Kit Kats! Turns out it's easy to be profitable when you're just objectively evil.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Dude, I mean look We're pretty profitable and I don't I don't think I don't think we do Imagine how much more profitable. Right? Think about all the gambling sponsorships. Right. Oh my. All the like, all the alcohol sponsorships we could have taken over the years. Yeah. And the number of people that hate us anyway, it's like what was even the point? Oh, apparently KitKat is Nestle in Canada, but Hershey in the USA. Oh, what? Really? I think Artie said that? Oh, yeah. I did not know. What? Oh, thank goodness it What oh Thank goodness says copy Yeah, anyway, okay Well, I just so I just have to go down well

Nestle does not own the Hershey company Nestle does have a licensing agreement with Hershey to Manufacture and distribute KitKat and Rolo products in the United States. However Hershey is a separate independent company That's a AI overview from the L. Google Okay, well hopefully that's accurate. Either way it's okay. Yeah, KitKat. Okay, so all I have to do is go down to the States, buy a ton of KitKats, get to the border, hope that I can cross the border, and that they don't have any questions about the mountain of KitKats in my trunk. Apparently there are many products that are owned by Hershey's but they're

still licensed and produced by Nestle. Oh, I see. So Nestle is probably profiting in some way. Nice. Nice. Anyway, Nintendo is under fire once again after adding a clause to their end-user license agreement that asks users to waive their right to join a class action lawsuit. Joy-Con Driftgate, anyone? Users can still sue individually, or they can waive the arbitration notice by sending a written letter to Nintendo of America's office, but Nintendo is instructing users to contact customer

service instead as most matters can be quickly resolved in this manner to our customer satisfaction. Which is fair enough, in which case you shouldn't need... An arbitra- uh, you should- uh, sorry. Uh, you shouldn't need to, um... Have a thing that waives arbitration? Yes, thank you. That's the words I was looking for. Appreciate you. I knew you were here for a reason when I do all the talking. Does that hold up in court? Like, I know you can't answer this, but like... I think if you give people the right to wave it there's a solid chance and I mean

Realistically realistically. Oh my god. I can't believe we're doing this again realistically. It's kind of like the whole warranty thing It's not about whether Nintendo is allowed to do that. Okay, apparently legal eagle said no as well. Yeah, it's about it's about What are the obstacles and what are the what this will muddy the waters for sure? It'll muddy the waters. It will make it take more time and it will make it more expensive Yeah, so even if you could go out and get like an outstanding lawyer who could be like mmm actually Nintendo No, the barrier to entry is going to be higher right to break through this and That's what Nintendo is doing higher, to break through this. And that's what Nintendo's doing. That's what creating- It almost feels like a reminder of who they are. Because we already know, from personal

experience, that lawyers are scared of Nintendo. Remember? We do know that. Yeah. We do know that. So this almost feels like a reminder, or like a, you know, don't open the gate, there's a dog. You know? Yeah. You can see the dog, you can hear the dog, but there's also a sign.

This feels like the sign. It's just, man, it's frustrating. And I think it's also one of those things where they're creating an environment. Nintendo is the gorilla. We had to find the 100 men, which is the lawyers? Yeah We had to fund the hundred men which is the lawyers Anyways, sorry

Can a hundred lawyers defeat Nintendo? It also feels like they're trying to make the individual user feel like I mean even the simple fact of us talking about this is going to make Nintendo's users feel like, oh it's

pointless because they're doing this arbitration thing. I'm not gonna send no letter ain't nobody got time for that so realistically I've agreed to this so you know whatever. And the stupidest part is what Nintendo said is completely true. They could satisfy people by just sending them a new stupid JoyCon. So then why do they need this clause? Just in case they decide they don't want to. And that's where I get back to the whole warranty thing. That's why every warranty has outs in it.

Because it's written for the protection of the company and has nothing to do with protecting the user. And it doesn't matter how good guy they are and how, trust me, bro, they are. At the end of the day, it just comes down to their willingness in that moment with that current leadership team, because those change, to fulfill, to honor your request. So Nintendo knows that they could fix this problem by sending you a new flipping Joy-Con, but they're putting this clause in to make sure that if they are ever in a position where they don't feel like it they don't have to the interpretation these people will think they don't have to read elsewhere was that this was like is this it's actually really about joycons so I thought this was no it's probably not I'm modding switches I don't think it's

about joycons then them being able to brick your switch. Oh, no, that's a separate one. That's the other one. Separately, they have updated the account agreement to reserve the right to make your console permanently unusable, aka brick it, if you lease, rent, sub-license, publish, copy, modify, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble all or any portion of the Nintendo account services. Bruh. Nice. So...

This was the topic I was reading. You 1000% do not own the Nintendo console you buy anymore, which would be fine-er. It would be more fine if we were still in the era of carts that actually had all the game data on them and that actually worked completely without Nintendo's online services, but is way worse in the era of carts that don't have game data on them and that Nintendo can just decide at some point or could stop existing at some point, however unlikely, and they just like don't work anymore and it's like illegal or whatever to try to get it working. They can probably ban individual carts too. Dude, this is crazy.

This is crazy. I wonder if they detected that a cart was being used too many times if they would ban it. Ah, I don't know. I wonder if there's a use of that. I do think this is one of those things that again, they'd probably wanna be too trustworthy a bro to just do this all the time,

but it does definitely give them tools to go after the modding community, especially, you know, anyone who's trying to unlock homebrew gaming on their Switch 2 in a way that they potentially haven't before, and especially anyone who tries to enable any kind of online functionality. I think that's the thing that this is mostly going after, especially because they make it clear that this is part of the account agreement, and they are specifically referring to Nintendo account services.

Either way, it is very clear that Nintendo is tightening the noose when it comes to emulation, console hacking... Look, as someone who buys my Nintendo games, like, this doesn't impact me financially, but as someone- I suspect this will change the purchasing decision of extremely few people. But as someone who really likes emulation for lots of other reasons, and as someone who cares about archiving and preserving game history, I am not stoked is what I'll kind of say about that. This is a great comment in chat from,

oh, but yeah, Hathos says, a million plus people playing Tears of the Kingdom before launch on Yuzu really set Nintendo down a harsh path. And I guess I can understand that to a degree. I mean, it's not like Nintendo doesn't have evidence, like real hard evidence to point to that they have been impacted.

And if you're gonna pull out that tired argument real hard evidence to point to that they have been impacted. And if you're gonna pull out that tired argument that there's no proof that piracy ever affected the income of the, those million people wouldn't have bought the game, and stop. Really, you're gonna tell me out of a million people, none of them. Yeah, it's not a one-to-one

you can actually stop now there was cases back in the day I think with like Napster and stuff oh yeah hundred percent where where they the the the lawsuit was based on a one-to-one loss which is why people quote that which is legitimate obviously stupid yes Nintendo did not lose out on a million sales I think it's but it also wasn't zero yeah I think it's somewhere in the middle but I think it shifts closer towards the zero side than the million side and significantly closer towards either way if it was 10% then it's still if it was 5% it's still it was big number Yeah, and that's that's the bottom line right large sum of all Reno's is companies will only ignore this stuff until it hits their bottom line hard enough that the cost of

Dealing with it iron fisted is less than the cost of absorbing these activities And that's where we're at. I think I think these activities and that's where we're at. I think Nintendo's opinion on that is a little bit more on the rather deal with it iron-fisted side. Oh yeah, 100% given their precedence. Unique username goes actually with the correct spelling spelling. A-C-K-S-C-H-U-A-L-L-Y. Pirates helped Nintendo sell more copies by word of mouth. Ugh, that, that, that argument is also exhausting. It's like, it literally makes me tired immediately. I know you're kidding. I know, I know you're kidding. But that, when I see that, when I see that kind of stuff unironically, I'm just you gotta wear them down I'm so tired also if you think that Nintendo cares at all about word-of-mouth marketing may I present exhibit a every

game streamer that they've ever stomped on who's like speedrunning their games or like doing something really cool like collecting all the Korok seeds or whatever that Nintendo has DMCA'd. Nintendo don't give a fuck at all about word of mouth marketing. I tell you what. All right, what else we got today? Dan?

Oh, are you like- If you've got lots of topics- Are you buried in merch messages or something? No, I've got like three. Oh, okay, cool. I'm just dealing with some other stuff. If you've got lots of topics, you're like 15 minutes ahead, so you could move on to another one if you want. Okay, we do other topics. Yeah, something like a real job or something? Yeah, I'm trying to do it at the same time. Oh, okay. Hey, did you fix

my air table issue? Did you submit a feedback request? I emailed Infra. Which one? I just like, when I get a notification- How'd you email Infra? That's all I know how to do. You emailed Infra? Yeah. Not only is that the wrong thing to do- I'll fix it right now. That's not even the right thing to do if you're trying to contact Infra about an issue, which isn't what you were trying to do here. Yes, it was. No. I was trying to contact them about an issue. You're trying to submit an air table. When did you send it? Every single air table page all of them have a button on it to submit feedback. Are you sure? Yeah It might be some of them. How sure are you? Because I- When did you submit this feedback? I've done it twice now once was at some point and then the other time was today

Today. Yeah. Well, I don't know, man. I'm just...I got a thing. I got a thing. I got a link in my email. It was like, oh, you got a... But somebody mentioned you on AirTable. And I was like, oh, okay.

And I clicked it. And then it sent me to this page. And I was like, what is this? What is this page? I don't understand this page. Look, I clicked view comment. I want to view the comment. And I don't know where this one's going to go. Maybe it's gonna. Go to the and I just goes here. I don't know what this is

That's not particularly helpful. I just scroll infinitely and did you open a ticket about I scroll for no I emailed in front I Don't have access to that email Did you just like again that is just has I think literally never been the right way to do that. DIAdemyMe says, I love the parts of WAN that show the realities of medium-sized company life. Did you just email that? No. No, we have an info alias for LMG. I meant that one. Yeah, yeah.

Can you send that to me? I'll have to dig it up because that's not... Well it sent me to... look, look, look, this is not user error. I clicked a thing and it sent me to this random page that just has a bunch of random bullshit on it. No, I understand that's not user error. Sure, we can fix stuff, but it's just... Well you made it sound like I should automatically know that I should submit a ticket through here or something. I'm like, there's no ticket. Well, on the desktop side...

I know why that happened. I'll punch you with a I'll punch your ticket. Let's go On the desktop site there should be a button in the top right hand corner, but also what year is it? Do you not have phones? I? Know why that happened stop. I know why that happened Luke. It's fine. I my problem is he's like I Don't know at least at least when you- Luke, Luke, look, Luke, Luke. And that's okay. Luke, I'm gonna let you finish.

I'm gonna let you finish, but- I do not even know how to submit a ticket. I know. I have no idea. I know. Nobody even onboarded me to Airtable. That literally has not happened yet. And that's fine, but if you have a problem, you can- can don't don't just like send an email to a random. It's not random

It's in but there's official ways to send in tickets to infra which is not that Nobody ever told me that yes. We did no no yes We did whenever I email infra they just deal with my problem because it's you not because you're doing it, right? I'm just telling you they don't tell me to do it differently They just deal with my problem Linus and future just DM me and yell at me, but they tell me not to DM Dan You you get special rules special little boy I got a scroll through the general chat for like a million years until I find the post where we tell everyone how to Do this? Oh, there's I don't read that. Why would you read that?

Nobody reads anything, Luke. No, no, no. It happened today with the group chat. I don't want to talk to you about it right now, but we're going to talk after the show. Do you have any idea how many channels I'm in? I think I know what you're talking about. If you don't tag me, I don't read it.

If you email me, I don't read it. You gotta DM me, so I go, oh God, no. If all I ever did was just or sorry if I read everything that anyone ever sent me every channel that I'm in I would literally do nothing else all day. I can't Why did you actually because normally you you email me? No, yeah, no, you have no idea how often I email him for it though The last the last air table issue that you had, you CCB on it. Oh yeah, it just felt unnecessary.

Why do you need to read it? It's just a random, it seems like just a linking issue. It is, yeah. Because you're not filing the ticket for me. That is the marching orders. But it's still not proper. Because I can't like... wanna go home anyways, you'll go home when you're done with air table. I can't do this anymore He's never going home

Feels like it. Oh, I clicked the wrong single sign and I love that no from like from your presentation. It's it's never over Yeah, yeah, that's what Dan said He literally got up in front of the entire company at an all-hands and was like when is air table done never And everyone was like oh Cool that should be what people want Yeah, cuz it'll always get better no no we understand we understood what you meant Dan Dan oh no oh dad See you don't understand cuz you don't see all the communication about air table Jesus Christ I can't let's uh, let's just stomp on the single person more. That's a good idea. That's why I'm here

I'm not the boot goop. Hey, how else are the boots gonna get clean? I'll do whatever you doesn't be nice of me Anything for a headset What are we supposed to do Middle of a topic what was it? I don't remember. I don't think we are dealing with emails. I don't think we started a topic Well, why don't we do why don't we know we didn't thing let's do that Let's do the thing with the merch messages sure I need some merch messages Oh

We have deals and new items on LTT store this weekend what? and new items on LTT store this weekend. What? What? No, I wanna know. I wanna know what it is. We're going Luke cam until you explain. You're supposed to explain merch messages. You said let's do the merch messages thing in the middle. Oh! Oh yeah, well, okay. So, Luke made a startling discovery that his co-host has ADHD. Congratulations, Luke. There's a reason why I didn't stop here.

You want a cookie? Okay, merch messages. We don't do super chats, we don't do twitch bits, we do merch messages. All you gotta do to interact with the show and send a little message over to producer Dan is head to lttstore.com add something to your cart you'll get a little box that'll pop up when we're live you can leave a merch message and Dan will either reply to it or forward it to the correct person internally or he will curate it for me and Luke to answer on the show. So I'm

supposed to now let Dan read one Merch message. This is hilarious you guys, check this out. In the dock, okay, in the announcement section there is this block of text. I have been told that this block of text has existed for well over a year. It doesn't sound right to me. I had never read it. Me neither. That sounds a little hyperbolic. Dan, did you tell us this last week or two weeks ago? It's been there for many weeks. Are they considering last, like it's been there for over a year and it was there in

2024? Okay, well, I don't know. I was told it has been there for a, I have never seen it. I have never noticed it because I have this thing where I just sort of filter out irrelevant information and it seemed irrelevant. When everything's bold, nothing is bold. The thing is, you know what I'm saying? We had talked about this a couple weeks ago

and I think I clarified that it's actually for me and I was not really expecting you guys to ever read instructions in the doc because that's not your job, right? So we've been given a hard time about doing all the merch messages in the wrong order and the announcements and job. So we've been given a hard time about doing all the merch messages in the wrong order and the announcements and whatever and we're like, what order?

And they're like, yo, it's right there. And I was like, oh, okay. So let's do one merch message. Go ahead, Dan. Hit me. No, I was just wanting you to read the flow plane announcements because I'm with you guys. Okay, fine, fine, fine. Luke, stop. What with you guys Okay, fine fine fine Making it more effective no you said when everything's bold nothing is bold So I'm making half of it

Everything is bold and nothing is bold Work has been overwritten It was so beautiful. I guess overwritten. It was so beautiful. I guess it was. Stop. There, I have some zelgo text. I hate working here. Hey, LLD, any chance you can provide an update on the status of custom LDD cables? I'm planning on overhauling my setup and I want to wait so I can buy cables made by your team. Thanks. They are in certification. The samples I've seen are flipping awesome. They're not going to be cheap, but they are gonna be

flipping awesome. I think, I think the certification is being done like post-production of the raw cable, but pre-cutting of the lengths and putting terminations on them. So I think a lot of the production is actually done. With that said, even though the company that we're working with is not in China, the production's in China because we started this project like two years ago or something like that so for my American friends

The cables may be out of the reach for the price but Cool for the rest of the world we, we are doing some serious work on getting our global shipping rates down. That is something that we're working very hard on. I've been informed that I misspoke last week when I said that we have been subsidizing global shipping with US shipping. What the situation actually was, was we consolidate our shipments from Canada and send them to the US because it is cheaper to ship from the US. So our shipping is more expensive now because we are shipping directly from Canada. Not because anybody was subsidizing anyone, but what I said about the more urban postal codes subsidizing the more rural postal codes. That's just, I think that's how literally everything works.

That is true, and that is how literally everything works. That's why your internet plan in rural Missouri costs... An affordable amount of money, theoretically maybe. Somewhat. But you probably get terrible service. Affordable amount of money, instead of just not existing at all. You still probably have terrible service.

That's just how it works. So yeah, I just wanted to clarify that. clarify that anyway. We're working on our shipping rates worldwide and so hopefully we'll be moving a lot of cables that are super high quality but I don't know how many of them are gonna go to the states unless we can maybe we can figure out some way to highly transformatively do something to them here in Canada whether I don't know I don't know But right now it looks like that's gonna be a made in China product and it could be a real challenge with that said I think that the I Think the tariff situation is highly highly fluid and I don't know with sort of how things are going

I mean people are already starting to talk about the midterm elections, right? So with how things are going and how public sentiment is on the tariffs, even now, before the real impact has really been felt, I think there's a solid chance that they will be reduced, but... There you go. Nice. Yeah, there you go. Who's even gonna run? Well, no, no, no, no, midterm elections are for Senate in the House. And it tends to be that, you know, whatever the president's popularity is, tends to impact the other races. So now that we've read a merch message, do we want to explain them? This is hilarious. KumoStar says,

It's actually cheaper to run your own fiber in bum-fuck Missouri. That is so ridiculous. That's why I said you get bad service. Yeah, I get it. Sorry, did I not explain them? The monthly... No, I don't think so. Yeah, I explain merch messages. They go in the cart, and they put the merch message, and I not explain the monthly? No, I don't think so Yeah, I explained merch messages they go in the cart and they put the merch message and then Dan does the thing I totally did it you tuned out. Okay, see that's the thing. He doesn't talk but he doesn't listen either

He's he really is like this exists Bob like he was that one time I love that you actually have done what you said you were gonna do and you just only wear these shirts now Yeah, so we need to get some graphic tees in the lungs. That would be wonderful. Yeah, okay. Hey. I was packing for my trip and I was like, oops, all black shirts. Dude, I touched a sample from South America

for our t-shirts. That was quite good. Oh. Yeah, we're still months away from being able to transition. I have no idea if it holds, if the, if the dyeing holds up over time. I have no idea if our prints are going to hold up over time. There's a ton of validation for us to do before we just like roll a new t-shirt product or whatever. But if, if they are as good as they seem on the surface, then that could be a good source. Dude, nice. Sorry?

All right, just don't do it. Fine. No, there's, there's, there's. I've been lost in it too. Forget it, it doesn't even matter. What? No, there's a person. Doesn't even matter.

Anyway, if they're anywhere near as good as they seem, then that'll be, that'll be super super cool maybe in the future at some point. Can I help you? Yeah, sorry. To me? I don't know what's happening. OK, so we had a bit of a mix-up. I don't know what's going on anymore.

On a WAN show a little while ago. So remember how I was all like, yeah, the cargo pants. The cargo pants are back in stock. And I was all on the store. And I was like, and we have a new inseam length And I was like where the fuck is the new inseam length? I guess we don't have it You just leaking stuff again, bro. They just like weren't on the store for some reason We got we've had a lot going on there has been a lot going on

So we have a lot of work. We have two inseam lengths of our legendary cargo pants now We have two inseam lengths of our legendary cargo pants now Ltt store calm you can get them there and you can send a merch message there Is that what I was supposed to say Dan already? I have no idea if I did a good job They're the same cargo pants you love just with a 32 inch inseam for non-linus sized people like Luke. Yeah So what am I looking at? This is the 34R30. This is my size. And then what is this? You don't care anyway. You just brought two pairs of cargo pants. It's longer. Is it on the tag? Yeah, this one only says 34. It doesn't say the inseam length. Oh, this is a pre-production stamp. Okay, okay. This is the longer one. Okay, cool.

We also added a new colorway for big nerd gaming t-shirt now. Oh what? Oh it comes it Oh, that's even better. Oh, dude. That's really good. That color is fantastic. Actually. That's actually awesome dang or or or You can get in black but he's cool. You could before sky feels like the way to go super cool You can get in black. Like you could before. Sky feels like the way to go. Sky's super cool. Um, okay, alright.

Is there anything else that I'm supposed to say in the announcement section? Am I supposed to be doing announcements right now? Oh, okay. Oh, what? Oh, first the deals. Oh, we have deals. What am I supposed to be doing this in? I can't even read the thing!

Yeah, I can't read it! Okay, fine. What the heck? I'll fix it, I'll fix it. Jeez. Okay. I swear to god, Dan. Okay, alright, it's fine, it's gone. Okay.

First, the deals. Script- I seriously- I can't read it, Dan. Can you remove it? It's not even on mine. first the deals Script I serious. I can't read it Actually, it's not even on mine. What it's gone. Okay. It's gone now. Okay first the deals Screw tariffs we are offering pre tariff pricing on the US store for the commuter backpack and the precision screwdriver bundle Or just the driver or bit set just add any of these items to your cart and the discount will bundle, or just the driver or bit set. Just add any of these items to your cart

and the discount will automatically apply in our US store. Okay, nobody talked to me about this. I believe our old price was below our current cost on the precision screwdriver bundle. Is there something I don't know, Artie? Feel free to tell me that there's something I don't know and we will just continue going here. Well they get to save a lot of money.

Well I know that. Is there something I don't know? I think you know everything. Really? Wow. Okay. Also, on both the US and global store, we've got a killer deal. We have mystery screwdrivers for just $49.99 shipped without a box.

So if you're shopping on the global site, this will actually be cheaper than what we offer during the shipstorm sale event because now it's in Canadian dollars. Shut up. It is not. Okay, hold on a second. Okay, nobody talks to me about these things. Are you? Okay, which one is this? Global? Okay, global dot. Okay, am I am I on the global site right now? How do I tell? No, I'm in USA. Okay, so hold on global. This isn't Europe. Is this 50 Canadian dollars? Have you people gone mental? Is this 50 Canadian dollars? Have you people gone mental?

Okay, well, as long as you don't care what color screwdriver you get, I guess now's a good time to buy them for all your family and friends for Christmas. Um, because, oh my god, both of these deals are until Sunday, May 11th at midnight Pacific time. So, okay. Okay. Ah, cool. Dan. Ah, okay. The mystery screwdrivers are knocked to a... Okay. Either beige or brown. Are they? Okay. It says possible colorways. Knocked to a beige, knock to a brown. Okay. Okay, if you buy one of those things, please get something else as well.

Anything else. Maybe a pair of cargo pants. Is there something I don't know? I think I know as much as you do. Okay. That's a pretty fair answer. Okay Dan do you want to hit us with a couple more merch messages? Is that what we're supposed to do? Yes. Okay, alright thanks Artie. Have a wonderful weekend. Have a good one. I don't know what's going on anymore. I don't think we do either. Hello minus mook and Dan and man. How do you guys always have so much energy every week? What do you do to stay excited even when you aren't feeling it that day drugs? My answer is also drugs Luke

Not that I heard tech CEOs like ketamine Not that. I heard tech CEOs like ketamine. Yeah, I wouldn't know. No. It's not good. I don't know, man. I think it's a combination of things. I've always been a little bit excitable. And then you combine that with this being my job

for the last, I don't know, 17 years or whatever it is. And I just, I, you know, I get kind of, I get kind of amped up on camera. Also, Luke and I have talked about this extensively on the show. Other than on the show, we don't talk extensively, so this is like, this is actually the time in the week when I get to catch up with Luke. So I'm like genuinely happy to, you know, talk at him and He nods sometimes sometimes he laughs even that's fun. That's enjoyable Sometimes loud even

It's great. It's a good show you should you should watch it Sorry was that a merch message Good job quality merch message? Yeah, good job. Quality merch message. And now the Floatplane announcement. Uh, sure. Floatplane announcement. Luke, Dan, I'm about to spike your stress level. Are you guys ready?

I'm over it. I don't care anymore. Open the Secret Shopper CMS. Torpedo everything, it's your call. Let's go boys! Secret Shopper coming early to flow plane to support technicians gave up on us and

I'm gonna I'm gonna throw you guys for an even bigger loop on this one one of them. We totally deserved it How does that end up in the judging? We want... You guys handle it? Pluth and I realize when we're shooting that we flubbed it in the cull and so we account for that in our evaluation. Okay cool. Yeah no no don't worry don't worry everyone gets a fair shake. Make sure it's fair. Yeah everyone gets a fair shake or they get at least an adjusted evaluation of their shake. You know, it's a good shake, you know, like that sort of thing. So anyway, that's live right now.

You can be one of the first to watch episode three where Plouffe and I watch how brands do their tech support calls. We unseated everyone's GPUs except Dell who actually got a different tech support challenge and the reason is that their bracket for holding their GPUs in during shipping is so good that we could not unseat the GPU. I mean that's kind of cool. Which is almost a win by default which is great because that's the only kind of win that Dell, who by the way did I mention, is the laptop partner for the WAN Show. Oh you gotta get rid of the pants in front of them.

Yeah sorry. That's the only kind of win that Dell can really hope for in Secret Shopper it feels like these days. You know what though? You know what though? I believe in them. I believe that next season. Next season's gonna be their season.

Anyway, it's gonna be going live to the general public on May 13th. While you're over on Float Plane, you can check out Colton's vlog of Jay's Two Senses SoCal Tech Fair. He didn't want to vlog, but he was given, I'm told, a very big nudge to do so. And we're watching the first 22 seconds together. Let's go. And we're watching the first 22 seconds together. Let's go Colton Potter shared a folder with you got it so cringe. I hate vlogging please help Okay, well then Colton needs to get better at vlogging Oh is this okay? This is user error nice

But sure Nice. But, sure. Good website. Is he on a green screen? Why does this look so weird? Kinda weird, eh? I'm at YVR, I'm heading to the... Ah, damn it. People are looking at me, it's so f***ing awkward. So awkward, dude. I think I'm gonna get arrested. Watch, you're gonna disdain me, look at this. Hey, Flo-plane, this is Colton at YVR. I'm coming to Jay's SoCal Texas in 2025.

Saturday, I'm gonna cover Sunday in the... Oh, poor man. Oh, man. For the ride. Let's get on the plane. He's talking so quiet because he doesn't want people to hear him filming. Dude, Colton, I. You're actually do you're so awkward. I love it. You're great He also got a last-minute invitation from funnily enough

I buy power to check out the factory and see what goes on in their factory. Oh Cool. Ah, no, I'm not gonna look at that right now. They can go on full plane Okay, all exclusives are available also on YouTube members, but if you want those on top of Really Access and other sweet benefits, check out LMG.gg slash Flowplain. Alright, Dan, what are we doing? For our topic! Topic! Alright, Luke, you wanna pick one?

I feel like I've picked them all so far. Company towns are back on the menu, and I'm saying again, because I think last time we were talking about Amazon or something, and now it's SpaceX, because of course it is. They both have to compete with each other on everything. But this company town is on Mars? No. No, okay, sorry. Texas.

Carry on. Ah, yes, okay. Just about as big. Well, that's kind of another planet in some ways. Yeah. Because of the size. Cameron County in Texas had a vote to incorporate a new town for SpaceX employees. The vote was overwhelmingly approved with 283 votes for and only six against the city is about 1.5 square miles and

Has just under 500 people who live there 300 adults and 120 children Bobby Pedan Vice president at SpaceX was elected mayor He ran unopposed. Several bills are also working its way through Texas State, which will give the city the ability to close highways and beaches during rocket launches or other company activity. Wow. From both a company and employee perspective, can you list pros and cons of a company town? If you knew all employees were on board, would you think it's worth the effort to establish an LMG town? How does this keep being a conversation?

If I knew everyone was on board, would I be be oh, I think it's worth the effort No, I would not think as we don't operate at that kind of scale that is line of speech for yes that is not he was fully convinced would that every single person was on board and That he could buy more real estate in BC Would we have our own brand of cheese? Line is cheese. It would melt the best on burgers. Who is responsible for that getting posted publicly?

That was for internal consumption only. Wait, what was? You don't know about this? No. Okay, so you remember in the WAN Show Teams group chat... Which he doesn't read. Which... What do you mean?

Oh, that's right. Luke doesn't read it. Yes you mean oh that's right Luke doesn't read it yes I saw the picture of your cheese okay okay so yes I do read it in the when necessarily when you post like right before a show and change the whole plan on the weekend I posted I posted a picture of my grill with a bunch of patties on it that I had just put cheese slices on. And then I was like, melt cheese on a burger challenge begun or something like that because of the conversation we had on WAN Show recently, where I evidently do not understand how cheese melts and am not capable of melting cheese on a burger. Then I posted shortly afterward all the cheese melted deliciously on top of the patties. That he had to prove that he's the best at melting cheese on burgers.

Because, no I didn't. Oh my god. Oh. I swear, your contribution and your contribution is a huge part of why I was not able to get my point across in that whole thing So I posted a bunch of patties with non-American cheese Melted on them just normal Kirkland cheddar, and then I posted like a you're a wizard Harry jiff Okay, it was intended for internal consumption. It was a joke. And then Sammy got ahold of it somehow.

And he- He's in that chat. Oh. Yeah. Why is he in that chat? The WAN chat? Yeah, why would he be in the WAN chat? Because he tracks when it's gonna go live.

It's like a notable part of his job. Oh. Also like, as far as I can tell, like a third of the company is in that chat at this point. Anyway. Yeah, there's so many people that need to be informed about when the time that WAN is starting. It's less critical now than it used to be, but.

Anyway. I'm just gonna call you. So now it's front page on the LTT subreddit. I was not trying to poke this bear It wasn't you I don't believe you Wait look who it's posted by that's in the from the chat That's from the chat. No look no no no no the reddit wait. She'll be posted this yeah He put what? I'm sorry chewy what? I'm sorry. I'm sorry that Sammy's bad influence

I'm sorry Sammy's bad influence turned you into such a bad egg. Because... I thought that Sammy had posted it and it got picked up on the subreddit. I didn't know Chewie just... Oh my god. Okay, alright Chewie, whatever your name is. Sammy, you're off the hook. Whatever your name is.

This is just the episode where all the employees lose their minds. Did he actually leave? Yeah, he screamed and then slammed the door. I mean, it is 6.30. Oh, that makes sense. Oh my god. Chewy? Really? You were the cho- You were supposed to be the chosen one! Ahhhhh.

Anyway. I think it was good. The burgers were delicious. And not American cheese definitely melts on a burger patty, which is all I ever said. Seriously. Dude, have you seen some of the comments on this? No. It's crazy.

I find it so hard to care. Dude. About your comments on cheese. And I don't even mean because like, I don't care what you have to say. It's just like, man. It's the same argument the other day of like when people were uproar about the placebo thing. It's like why are you here? Why are you here for that? Why are you here for medical stuff? Why are you here for cheese opinions? Like really? Wow, you need other things to do dude it's been like it's been wild the way people care about it anyway so if you like American cheese tell you what eat American cheese

nice nice congrats enjoy it. What were we talking about? Company towns. Oh, Lord. No, I know it would not be worth the effort to establish an LMG town. Like, A, we're not at nearly the scale where it would make any sense for the number of people that would need to live in it and B, like our operations do not in any way require a company town, which could only have downsides compared to just living in an urban center that has like amenities and stuff. But what if you could shut down all of the streets to roll around in your fire truck, your customized fire truck, with the lights uncovered, because you just make the laws. No.

No, no. There are upsides. I'm sure there are upsides. And it's not like when a ghost town goes up for sale, I don't see that in my newsfeed and go, hmm. But it- If the company was big enough and if every single person was on board... Every single person wouldn't be on board. People have lives. But they might.

They have families. They can seem to go to school. And what if the schools were better and what if their housing was more affordable? Why would it be more affordable? Because of course it would be. Why? Because trust me, bro. Oh my god. So yeah, I guess if you're asking what the downsides are of a company town, that's exactly it. Is the deal is better only until the company that owns the town decides it shouldn't be better.

And like, man, is that ever a lot of eggs to have in one basket? I remember, probably the wisest thing that the owner of NCIX ever said to me was on the day that I quit. And he kind of NCIX ever said to me was on the day that I quit and he like kind of tried to negotiate and keep me on board and I went no I've decided to move on and he kind of went okay and I kind of went oh well that like you know your demeanor your your your your tact here changed really suddenly he goes well look I mean nobody works at one company forever so like let's figure it Now, we're at that point now, let's figure it out. Now it's like.

We're at the big steps. Yeah, yeah, and I was like, that is experience. That's wisdom right there. And that is why it wouldn't have been good for me to live in the NCIX town, because now. But maybe your life would have been so much better. Instead of just my livelihood. better instead of just my livelihood like instead of just my My paycheck

No longer being at the company now all of a sudden impacts where I live it impacts where my children live potentially Dude, I mean and I guess technically you could live in that company town if you don't work there Maybe I mean the children clearly don't work there. I Mean, I don't know what they're trying to do with labor laws. And they're not allowed to leave. Well, you know, if you don't work there, you can't... That's a good way to make sure that the funding for the necessities of life stay in the town. And the specifically regimented education system doesn't get, like, modulated.

You can have an airport where they fly up in the air and then like go around and they like look at Vancouver or look at some other destination then just come back this is where all the heathens live yeah you just look at them from up above it's spit on them from the float plane yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, are you okay? This is hilarious This is apparently Gordon Ramsay struggling to melt cheese and someone saying it's okay to admit defeat about the cheese Do you better than Gordon Ramsay now? No. Yeah, all I said was yeah all I said was Better than Gordon Ramsay now. Nope. Yeah, all I said was yeah all I said was

The only thing I ever said Was that melting cheese on a burger? Ain't that hard. That's all I said That's all I said And I got receipts now so whatever okay yeah company town topic gone okay you want to pick another one or what are we supposed to do what even is the show yeah the Tino sent guy says this has been a topic for like three shows Yeah, just people leave a lot. I man the stuff people care about I will never understand I blame Chewie. Speaking of things to care about GTA 6 for being a bad influence on him. It has been delayed Oh yeah, GTA 6 you watch a trailer? Of course you watch the trailer. What do you think of the trailer? No. What?

You've got to be kidding even I watch the trailer No. What? You've got to be kidding. Even I watched the trailer. I mean, I read the comments, but like- The thing is for me- No, I actually watched the trailer. No, I watched the trailer. I watched the trailer. The thing for me is, is that 95 million views? Oh my- Oh dude, dude, dude, this thing is popping off.

I don't- I don't know if there's ever been more hype for a game ever. What is GTA 6 like too mainstream for you? You're too cool for it? No. Is that what we're witnessing? No. Because I feel like that's what we're witnessing. I'm excited to play it. Why are you not one of those 96 million people?

Because it's probably gonna be like two or three years before it's on PC. And I'm not getting a console just to play GTA. You... I was gonna say bought but what you really did was borrow it from work you got a PlayStation 4 Pro once to play a specific game yes okay so you wouldn't do that for GTA I don't think so really why

not GT what was the other game I forget horizon oh and okay zeroed on horizon yes zeroed on at the time horizon was not coming to PC where Where's GTA 6? Will will be coming to be just a question of when so I'll just wait Edit the same thing with GTA 5 Just waited so this trailer is not for me. I see and that's okay. I see okay. I Mean, but you can't just enjoy the jiggle physics same as everybody else?

I heard they're a thing, but no, I haven't seen it. Yeah, don't forget the beer physics. I've heard it's actually like, and I haven't actually looked at the trailer. It's even just as like a tech demo for what's possible, rendered real-time on what is like, functionally like a 6000 series Radeon card or whatever. Damn. I've heard that's pretty cool. I heard that like today though 5000 series it's like a 5700 XT or something like that. I think like Huh, huh? Damn. It looks real good, bro. Yeah, it looks real good. Yeah

I'll very likely watch it just for that Because people mention like I okay a new trailer came out Whatever I'm not gonna play this game for two three years. What do I care? But then people are just commented specifically the bubbles is the main comment that I did the beer. Yeah Beer physics. Yeah, which is pretty wild. Yeah, so like that's cool. I'll watch it from like a interested in tech perspective I mean it is one of those things where I feel like we see this time and time again where the trailer prominently features the main character or characters. And when you're walking around in the world, everything else still looks like a video game.

But with that said, I saw this thread from from a Graphics artist who was our video game artist that was basically just like here's a bunch of stuff that like people might not have like realized is is so cool about this and it's just I Don't have the link on me right now, but if you just like Kind of Google that maybe I'll look at that or dude There's so many little details like they have like raccoons rummaging in trash bins, just to make the world feel alive. I didn't think it would be possible for me to look at the trailer and be like,

yeah, that's why they spent 10 years on this. But I looked at the trailer and I went, Oh, perfect. That's why they spent 10 years on this. I was hoping this was gonna exist. I will watch this. This is what I will watch. I will not watch the trailer. I will hoping this was gonna exist. I will watch, I will watch this. This is what I will watch. I will not watch the trailer. I will watch this. Okay. I mean, you know what? Fair enough. I'd say, I'd say game trailers are a perfect example of a time when react content is

100% ethical. Yeah. 100%. Because basically, and the funny thing is we've actually been copyright struck on WAN show for showing game trailers and like reacting to them live which I always thought was Wild marketing materials like I think if we went to I think if we went to court on that one We're probably gonna get off scott-free because it's pretty clear that what the impact is on the original content And it's pretty clear what the intended purpose of what we're doing and how transformative it is and you know whatever whatever split screen in full plain chat said the that liquid bubble that liquid bubble in liquid tech is from Half-Life Alex the dev made it public that's cool neat neat oh very cool anyway so yeah yeah sure fine fine watch the trip just watch the digital founders thing

Just just watch it because it's super cool And it really does look like kind of amazing even with crappy YouTube compression All right, what else we got? Oh You want sponsors we could do that should we do one more one more topic first We got yeah, we've got lots. Yeah, we've got lots, man. iOS dev responds to Linus' Mac OS gripes. Oh.

A very blurry iOS developer has responded to my Mac OS is great unless you try to use it as a desktop operating system segment on February 28th edition of WAN Show. Yeah. Oh, that is very blurry. Is that a shot at our video? No no it's anonymous reviews is the channel name. Okay. No that's intentional. The youtuber anonymous reviews has been an iOS developer for about 15 years. Says they're not a fanboy and uses windows for gaming and editing. The video gets off to a bit of a rocky start excusing the poor multi-monitor

behavior by saying it's better than it used to be, and we get a detour later on, teasing that I don't know about the control key. All right. You know what? I think that's a criticism that you're going to see from any power user on any platform of anyone coming in going, I can't do X, you know, right? And it's like, well- Yeah, well, I can open up LinkedIn if I put in an incantation. I can cut if I combine that X with my control,

or command, or whatever, right? And hotkeys really are the answer to something being not crappy. Like truly, though, not just like in a gatekeeper-y, get-good-scrub kind of like awful sort of way, but they really can be the answer in a lot of ways. Anyway, sorry, carry on. Otherwise, we get some interesting explanations of how and why Apple does things. Too long didn't... right? Watch. Watch. Uh-huh.

I hate Luke. Uh-huh. Some things are inconsistent and that's bad. Apple should take me up on my offer to consult for a week for free. Apple and the community should be more open about outside input if they want to improve the OS and ecosystem. Discussion questions. Did things get better for you as you used Mac OS? Also a note that part two of our switching to Apple in 2025 should be out next month. Yeah, things did get better. Absolutely. I'd say the first like the first first hour my infuriated level was here. By the third day it was here. And then by like, you know, the end of the month, you know, it was like kind of down here.

Did you have much of this? Like, did I, oh, like, did I kind of come up against challenges that sort of raised the fury for, yeah, yeah, definitely. So I remembered a couple things, like, not first day, where you were genuinely yelling in your office about it, but I think you were also filming clips, so. Yeah, but the thing is, and I feel like, I don't know, man, I've been doing this so long

that I've kind of had a take on anything that will annoy someone about something. And I think that's, I think it's really challenging because I, I think I end up kind of getting misunderstood a lot because when I criticize macOS, I am not saying that if you like hot dogs, you're basically a big idiot. If a million people hear you say anything, it's gonna be misunderstood by some amount of them. I'm just saying that this is something that hamburgers do better. That's what I'm saying. And I'm not saying the other thing. I'm only saying the thing that I'm saying. And so I feel like, and it's really interesting,

and you can see these kind of these silos of viewership that exist, where the people who watch only our iOS stuff or only our, you know, Apple stuff will have a certain perception of me, and the people who watch only our Linux stuff will have a certain perception of me, and people who watch only our Windows stuff will have a certain perception of me. Like these fly-by viewers that only watch occasional content when it kind of piques their interest. It's probably a huge percentage of them. Right?

So, anyone who's listening to me kind of rant about macOS because they only tune in whenever I'm going to talk about macOS is going to have this perception that I like hate macOS. But the reality of it is, I have entire videos griping about how shit things are in Windows. And like... There's a lot of grapes and unintuitive design, or inconsistent design is the word that I'm using synonymously with unintuitive here, because something that is inconsistent is inherently unintuitive. Inconsistent design is something

that exists across all of these platforms, and that we as users should demand be reduced. And so where I get where I think I end up getting sort of adversarial with the community sometimes is when people take the position that it's perfect the way it is, and anyone who doesn't agree is just a hater. And so that's where and I tend to find those people in the Apple and Linux communities more than I do in Windows because The Windows community is almost in a way more like humble if that makes sense We all know Windows self-hatred going on we all kind of hate it

But we accept it because all the applications we want all the games we want to play They just run it so whatever it is what it. And there's pockets of the Apple community in particular that are like that. They just accept it because it's like, well, I need Final Cut. And I kind of acknowledge that this is a very imperfect system for it, but I need Final Cut. So I guess it just is the way it is.

If you had no idea what an operating system even was, and you had generalized sentiment from each community, I think you would think that Windows was the least popular operating system. Yeah, I think you could easily come away with that conclusion. I think you would think like Apple is for everyone, Linux stuff is for nerds and techies, and nobody uses Windows.

Yeah. No, I don't even think that's like a crazy take. Yeah, I think that's probably what you'd come away with, but the reality of it is that Windows has the lion's share of the market. So I don't know, man. I forget where I was even going with this. Right, so yeah, yeah, my anger level absolutely went down over time.

But there were definitely things that are just wrong, that are just incorrect in Apple's implementation and that should be fixed. And I think that as users, we should demand better. And the whole pushback that I get sometimes that's just like, well you just criticize everything, why don't you just enjoy it? But it could be better. Like if it wasn't like this it would be better, that would be good. Is that not something we should strive for? So then why even listen to me at all? That's like my whole job, it's like here's something that's good

about it, here's something that's not good about it. Because like across the course of a video, I'm sure you praised Mac OS in that video at some point. On the LAN show? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. Because that's I think what we're talking about. Oh, not the video Yeah, my show It was the segment of on the February 28th land show. Okay, sure, but like part one of switching to Apple in 2025 came out

Yeah, but he wasn't really responding to that. Okay. Yeah, it was the band show segment I don't know how much we were still on the original topic to be clear. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway. But either way, I don't think it's fair to say that you complain about everything. Well, no, of course not. But that's the thing is when people have an emotional connection to it, that's what they hear. That's what they hear. And so it's just like, it's one of those things where I feel like this is part of why as a media personality, it's really hard to survive over a very extended period of time if you have anything more nuanced than a yes-this-no-that take, because it's really hard for people to be aligned with everything is shades of

grey when these issues are so emotional for people. And I've kind of come around over the years to why these issues are so emotional to people. And it's because we invest in them. We are literally invested in them. We put our money down and we go, I am Team Pixel. You know, we put our money in. That was like mean.

And our money, oh I've got a D brand case on it, doesn't matter. Poor phone. Ah, whatever, it doesn't feel anything. And to be clear, I am not Team Pixel. I actually had a really funny interaction with- Yeah, why are you using a Pixel? What's going on?

David today, well because I was using that nothing phone, the 3A Pro, and I was just having like a bunch of just weird annoying bugs with it. Like when I'd get out of my car, it would keep playing on my, like my music from my car would like play on my phone for a little bit and then it would like nod and then, so I was just like, ah man,

and there was a, there was something else. Oh yeah, it was really hard to get it out of my pocket, which was kind of annoying because I had like a giant camera bump on it. There were a handful of things and so I was like, okay, screw it. You know, it's a couple hundred dollars more. I'm going to get the Pixel 9a. I went the complete opposite direction. It has like almost no camera bump, which is really rare these days. And dude, I've had so many annoying issues with this thing. And I was actually standing talking to David in the writing room today, just about something unrelated. I got on the topic somehow of how like,

everyone's like, yeah, just, you haven't experienced Android until you've experienced the Pixel. Just get a Pixel, you'll love it. And I was like, I've had a really hard time with the Pixel. I pull it out of my pocket. And one of the issues that I've had with it, which is that the ambient light sensor just sucks on this thing happened

I was like look how dim this is and then I was trying to pull down you know how you have to pull down your shade like a second time to get your brightness and stuff because they did away with Swipe and looked at or just bring it all the way down It brings down the whole thing like it freaking used to which was way better Anyway, so I went I tried to swipe it down the whole thing like it freaking used to which was way better anyway so I went I tried to swipe it down the second time I tried like six times and it wouldn't do it and no no my oh dude that drives me crazy anytime I'm on speakerphone with this thing I try to interact with the phone it's like that no I try I'm a multitasker right so I'll go to pull down

my notification shade while I'm on a call it's such a pixel problem and it'll be like oh do you want the screen to turn up that no I don't I just go to pull down my notification shade while I'm on a call. That's such a Pixel problem. And it'll be like, oh, do you want the screen to turn up? No, I don't, I just wanna interact with my phone. So I have to like ninja in there from an angle where it can't see me coming. Oh, I literally cannot. Classic Pixel problems. I cannot access my Plex server from this phone.

I don't know if that's because of Plex's dog shit new app, which is also super slow on my iOS. So I literally use my iPhone that I was using for the challenge. I am still using it every day for my earphones when I go to sleep because I can't access my Plex server from this phone for whatever reason. That's weird. Again, that could be Plex. Man, what are the other issues I'm having with my...

I'm expecting that's Plex, but I don't know. It's probably Plex. Oh dude, my keyboard constantly doesn't come up. Like, constantly doesn't come up. And I use SwiftKey, so my voice input button will just randomly not work, especially in certain apps. Like, I can almost never use a voice to type with you in discord oh it's working right now look at that okay well whatever it often doesn't work weird I'll go voice to type and then it'll just be blank down here that could be a Swift key issue that could be an Android issue either way it's not an issue that I had with my Samsung phone before and it's not an issue that I had on that nothing phone

that I was using slightly before this so I um and I it still drives me absolutely crazy that I can't swap the navigation buttons I have reached out to the pixel team and um I don't I don't want to I don't want to update you guys until I have a final final answer but what I will say is I'm extremely unsatisfied with their response so far. I've got a jump in here. I've got an update from Artie. Oh yeah. He spoke to the mythical powers behind pricing.

And- Oh, excellent. I am actually very interested to hear this. Maybe I'll give you the real technical explanation. It appears the global pricing on the mystery screwdriver was incorrectly priced at $49.99. The conversion was not applied correctly and this has unfortunately been fixed. So if you got one for 50 bucks, good on you. Otherwise, it's now $69.99.

Okay, that makes more sense. Sorry. I think Linus is happy. If you guys were ever wondering... Oh no. What it looks like when I am legitimately perturbed about a price on the site versus when I'm You know, we're doing an aggressive sale being an actor and I am I am a little bit stressed out But I'm hamming it up a little bit. That was the difference. Serious Linus is a very terrifying person. Oh, come on! But it's also extremely useful.

You can't use the word terrifying like that and then not explain, okay. Okay, yeah, that's fine. Sometimes it's very difficult to. He will explain now that he is terrified, wasn't it? I'm sorry. Yeah, you know, he riffs. He riffs. He gets angry.

He gets mean and it's not real. And then, you know, hey, I need you to do this thing. And I'm being extremely direct. What? Please do the thing. Do I get mean? Do I? No, no, no, no. It's not mean. When have I ever done that? It's just

direct. What's going on? No, no, no, okay, okay, no, no, no. I wanna, I wanna... Okay, okay, now, now hold on a second. I think I know what we're talking about. Are we talking about the time that I explicitly said not to do a thing? No, no, no, that's very different.

Oh, okay. No, this isn't necessarily anything that you've done to me. This is like well documented. It is? Yeah, like what? No, no, you've done to me. This is like well documented. It is? Yeah, like what? No, no, I would like to know. Oh, maybe you haven't seen the videos. Cause it's like a behind the teams thing.

Oh. Oh. Is this the, what do you think about your boss stuff? Might be, but I've seen it. He's never gonna watch those. No, no. I said I wouldn't. Yeah.

I don't know, it's stuff like that. It's completely fine. But yeah, it's- Mean? Not mean. Who have I, well, you said mean. You said mean I don't know it's stuff like that. It's completely fine, but yeah I mean not mean who if I will you said mean you know no no no mean it mean is the the the playful version oh That was super unclear oh, I'm so sorry now Linus is never ever mean like ever now They're not gonna believe you know it's too far This is never ever mean, like ever. Now they're not gonna believe you. Now it's too far. Okay.

No, no. No. No. Oh, I think you just misheard. Mean. No. No, I really don't think I did. Chat, can you help me out here, Chat? Because, oh no.

Oh, boy. They say they understood it for the most part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so are they just covering for you for the most part. Yeah. Yeah, so Are they just covering for you? I don't think so. Okay, I hope that Okay, Dan started by saying Linus is mean when he's playing it up as a joke. Okay. Yeah, I thought you meant it's mean when I like Knowing no, no, no, no, no, I did too. I know Okay, see the vast I was I. Okay. See, the vast majority of chat seems to have it really. I've been defending you the whole time.

The whole time. Okay. Jeez. Anyway, so yeah, that's what I look like. I'm not talking again. That's what, no, no, no, no, we like it. Is it because he was too mean? Oh.

Was he too mean? No. Oh, okay. Shut up. Okay. Oh Was he too mean? No! Oh, shut up! There there was a time when I was very direct with Dan Yeah, and that's it's very very useful Okay Useful's a word

I think it's important Um, yeah, okay. All right But I I would, look, I would like to think that I'm not mean, but what I discovered, what I discovered this week- He went through his horoscopes for NBA's thing recently, so he got his color blocks. Oh, did he? So I think that's probably part of what he's like, no, no, this communication is good because the-

Is that not it? No, no, no, no. No? Because we were literally talking about before the show how you like shorter and more direct communication. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think it's interesting that you pointed out that that was an example of like, actually, no, you need to go and make sure that this is accurate. I'm not just, oh my god, it's so expensive.

You sold it for too cheap, Artie. What are you doing? You're bad at your job, get out of my sight. It was like, no, can you go and please check this. And then they did. Okay. It's different. Shoot, my ADD brain did a thing there and uh. It's fine, the show is awful.

I'm sorry. Now you're calling my show awful, thank you very much Dan. You're the producer of it so. Oh no, it's my fault! Okay, shoot, I was gonna say something there for a second, then I completely lost it. Alright, well, good luck, everybody. Yes, Luke's phone just rang. He's got places to be and chicken to cook. So anyway, yes, that was that was a that was a situation where I actually did was not consulted on the pricing and it really did seem very wrong. Oh right, I

remember. So I'd like to think that I'm not mean or at least that's what I used to think but I actually filmed the Float plane exclusive earlier this week where Sammy had me reacting to employees here talking about their first interaction with me. So here's the thing. Who the is Dan Vester? So here's the thing. That was hilarious. He's definitely not mean.

He's not mean. He's definitely not mean. He's never been mean in a professional context. So here's the thing Watch any of the WAN shows that we have ever done and you're very mean So here's the thing. Here's the thing Luke Every one of those interactions at least the ones that I can remember or remember some version of there's a whole bunch of context in my brain that makes whatever I said a lighthearted joke or banter.

You're hearing them recall what they were thinking on their side. I was like, oh, I may need to alter my approach. I think sometimes you don't fully grasp the When it's like a new person at the company and you are owner guy Can you imagine? No this is like a flatter structure and like they don't they don't know But the people have been here forever, which is the context that I have they don't give a fuck like they just Maybe you got to consider it's a new person. Look so so you don't know a fuck. Like they just... You gotta consider it's a new person.

Look, so... They don't know. Seddon's was hilarious. Emily Seddon from editing. Seddon's was hilarious. Because she goes on this whole long thing talking about how like it's her first day and it's like her trial day and like the CEO of the company comes by and is like, who are you? It's kind of a big deal.

She's like, I'm here for my trial day, loo loo loo. Um, and apparently I was like, oh, good luck! And then I left. That seems fine. Yeah, but you know me. She doesn't. Wait, but like, what were you supposed to do? Maybe I'm not good. I'm-

The way she tells the story was very perspective broadening for me. Just like, I don't know, it almost- Uh oh. It almost seems like- Maybe I'm a horrible person. Maybe you are. What were you supposed to do? I don't know.

Not talk to her at all. Like that's the thing is like that's my natural thing to just be like, oh who are you? Or, you know, ah man. I'm here on trial, okay good luck and then you... Andrew, I apparently asked on no less than three separate occasions if he was going to introduce himself. Andrew Moore from the shooting department. He asked on... I asked him on three separate occasions if he was gonna introduce himself because I had forgotten him oh

That one's that one's a little rough and then and then Vance our executive assistant Who was hired for to be a general executive assistant, but was like mostly assigned to me at the beginning Definitely he does other stuff uh-huh. What are you talking about follows you around well sometimes all the time? Do you have his task list because I do it has lots of things that are not for me I wonder why only you have it what no I'm not the only one who has it Colton's his manager Okay, you're actually being unhelpful right now. He is not exclusively my EA I know a long time it was kind of that way, this... now it's not. Yeah, anyway, so it's been kind of sometimes one, sometimes the other. Anyway, at the beginning

he was mostly assigned to me, and his first assignment basically was to just like kind of shadow me, and you know, I don't know, see if there's a way, ways we can find more efficiencies, or ways that he can like kind of help me optimize my time better, you know, whatever else. And apparently, after some amount of time of him kind of sitting in my office, like, you know, I don't know, helping take notes for calls, I'm not 100% sure what he was doing. It was like his first couple days or something. Apparently, I just kind of like turn to him after like some kind of period of awkward silence and I'm like So am I supposed to like talk to you or? Okay, so wait wait stop stop. So in my mind so in my mind

Maybe I'm doing fine. I've never had an ea before I was concerned. Maybe yeah in my mind I've never had an ea before I don't know how this works Yeah, in my mind, I've never had an EA before. I don't know how this works. I literally don't 100% know what your job is, because I didn't hire you, and I didn't really define the role. I feel kind of awkward, just like having a person in my office

while I'm working, am I supposed to banter? So I tried to turn it into a lighthearted joke. Didn't land. Yep, didn't land at all I Mean clearly clearly he made it. He's still here. So you know been a couple years now. I think so that's something and Yeah, so there's a there's a bunch more LMG. Oh, yeah float plane. It's a banger of an exclusive So I may have to reevaluate a little bit. I don't know. I don't think you will. The reality of it is I am a very awkward person and a lot of people assume that YouTubers

tend to be extroverts, but it is not. I think most of them aren't. Necessarily the case. I have certainly met ones that are. Oh yeah. But what I have mostly met is introverts who, I don't wanna say fake it because most YouTubers that I've met are super real. Like they're real.

It's just that what they have learned to do is channel their introversion and awkwardness into being very personable to a piece of glass. You put them in front of a crowd though, and it is the more, it is the exception rather than the rule that can like do crowd work and handle like public speaking and stuff like that. Like those are generally like the superstars. And even then even some of the superstars are not comfortable with it. It's not it's not what they would prefer. It just it happened by accident because they happened to be really,

really good at appealing to a piece of glass while they're alone in a room. Yeah, so I may just be an awkward introvert guy. Taron asked me if I wanted to have lunch with a rep from a company at Computex or at dinner or something and I literally I I've told him before that I this is literally why I hired you so that I don't have to talk to people. At some point, do you think it's funny? Do you like making awkward scenarios? Um, it's, I mean, I tell this to my kids all the time, and it's, it's really like, it's something I generally, generally, genuinely believe. A joke is funny as long as everyone's laughing,

and if the other person is like genuinely deeply uncomfortable then no, it's not funny. Right, but I- But it is- But do you- It is funny that I could go this long and not realize it. That's funny. Like that's a funny thing. That's a funny observation. It's- it's funny that someone can make a career out of-

I don't- It's ironic that someone can make a career out of... It's ironic that someone can make a career out of somehow having their personality be appealing to millions of people online. I don't think this is fair. I don't think this line of thinking is fair. And yet be like... I don't think this line of thinking is fair at all. And yet be catastrophically awkward in person. You're trying to be like the opposite of this? And it's not working.

You're not not charismatic. I think you like, in a comedic sense, awkward scenarios. And when other people like it as well, you love it. Yes. So you like going out of your way to create them because when the other person enjoys them, you find it very fun. I love-

And not everyone receives that energy. I love the office. The same way. I love faulty towers. Yeah. But I know, I genuinely- This doesn't mean that you are necessarily awkward. You don't think so?

No. It means that you like creating awkward scenarios because sometimes they're really funny. Oh. That doesn't mean that you're awkward. Oh, I see what you're saying. No, no, yes, 100%. No, no, yes, yes, yes. I mean it to the awkwardness.

You're saying that it's ironic that someone who is awkward was successful, but you're not. But you haven't watched the video yet. Like, no, I'm being real right now. Yeah, but you like creating these scenarios. Yeah, but I didn't know that they took it that way. Like, I genuinely- There's no way you didn't know the Vance one.

Have you watched it? Am I supposed to talk to you? There's no way you didn't know that. The way I delivered it, I thought it was funny. Right, because you like, you find awkward situations funny. Well, yeah, but I thought he'd be, I thought he'd think it was funny too, but he didn't. But that doesn't mean that you're awkward.

But that's the awkward. That means that you thought it would be funny. The awkward part is that I thought he would think it's funny. Right, but you interact with people constantly, and the fact that some of them are awkward interactions does not mean that you're an awkward person. People don't tell me this. Because by the time people are able to have that conversation with me, we've built a rapport and we're like, I guess they're over it or whatever.

Like, Seddon and I are good. Yeah. Vance and I are good. Yeah. So this only came up because I'm watching this exclusive at a time when they're comfortable talking about it but they didn't bring it up to me at the time I didn't know that it was actually uncomfortable for them. How would they have done that? No one's going to do that. I know. Maybe you not knowing that makes you awkward. Yes, that's what I'm trying to say.

But you did know that. You just said that I know. That I know what? That they're never going to bring that up. Well, yeah. Yeah. But you're gonna do it anyways, and not because you're awkward. You're gonna do it anyways because you think it might be funny.

Well, I'll do it if I think it's, if I think they're also gonna think it's funny. I just thought- And you're gonna think that they're gonna think it's funny every time because you don't know these people and you would prefer that they would think it's funny. It's not that you're awkward.

I'm not gonna, well, that's pretty awkward. Hold on, I'm trying to find a thing. Oh man. This feels reminiscent of the cheese combo. I mean, I can imagine what I would feel like if I didn't get Linus's Who the F is Dan Vezor. Well, yeah. But there was so much actual real context around that.

Right? It wasn't just, I'm in a room with him or anything like that. The series of events that would have led him to just give me the master key with no context is hilarious. But I have context around that. Not everyone necessarily has all the context. That's what I was trying to say at the very beginning of this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that not everybody has the context that I have in my brain when I make an offhand remark Like who the fuck is Daniel Besser and so that was our first conversation. So what I realized Watching this is that yes, I intentionally create these awkward situations No, I did not consider the lack of context that made it genuinely uncomfortable in some cases. No, I didn't And fishing in a in a lake with a lot of different types of fish Oh, yeah, and just because you catch the wrong one sometimes you're still gonna keep casting I will I will try harder not to I mean I had I didn't talk about this on I talked to you about this after the party

But not on we haven't talked about it on the show So I was at a party recently where I ended up in a very socially awkward situation with Someone who is a big fan of a particular figure in the tech space That was that was me completely misreading a situation ending up in a very awkward Encounter that like turned heated on me in a way that I didn't anticipate. I got very passionate and enthusiastic the way I'm apt to. What? No. And I will tell you that I ran into a situation, it's either yesterday, oh no, oh you were

there for it. I ran into a situation with a salesperson very recently with you where I was saying something critical about the thing that they were selling and they escalated extremely quickly. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was, I believed you but it was taking me seconds. That was wild. If I hadn't, if I hadn't had the recent experience that I had arguing with someone whose convictions are clearly so strong about something that no amount of logic or reason or anything is going to change anything about it. I may have continued engaging with that individual.

Honestly, as much as it shouldn't have, that played a non-insignificant role in the final decision to not. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that was like super weirdly aggressive when nothing was personal and I was just talking about the product that was for sale. See, but that's almost an argument against you being awkward. No, no, what I'm saying is I'm learning. Yeah, but everybody, I think honestly, honestly, if anything, I think this revelation for you means that you're probably less awkward than the vast majority of people and more charismatic because you're only starting to realize this now. Corporate puffery right there. Puffery 101. Puffery.

Because I think most people are more awkward way more often, so they're aware of it. Oh man, I don't know dude. I don't think you saying that you're awkward is legitimate or would stand up in a court of social law. I am definitely... Everyone has awkward moments. I am learning. There. I will say that. Ideally everyone is. And that reaction video was eye-opening for me.

I will try to be more cognizant of the sorts of jokes that I make with people I am meeting for the very first time. That is what I learned. I will f*** it up sometimes. Lean into it. Let this be a known thing. You start here, your boss is going to say something incredibly offensive. I used to literally do it in interviews.

This is my point. This is not the first time you've learned this or adjusted. It's part of the company culture. It's a form of hazing. Everyone is learning all the time. But we are not that company anymore and we can't be. No, no, no, no, no, no.

We're too big now. No, I know, but this is what I mean. It's just another step. Well, yeah. Yeah, but everyone's learning all the time. Right, and it was awkward when I did it in interviews and it's awkward when I do it on the first day and some Someday maybe years from now. I will figure out that it's awkward when I do it three You're not awkward. You're just unprofessional

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A tech upgrade. Oh man, no, I'm stressed out now. AMD Ultimate Tech upgrades. And if you've been following the series, we just dropped a new episode featuring Jamie from our logistics team, he's hilarious. Oh, it says chat about Jamie's upgrade. Cool, he's hilarious. Oh, it says chat about Jamie's upgrade, cool, he's hilarious.

He spent a not insignificant amount of his budget on model trains. No, really though, like a not insignificant amount of his budget. Like one little mini thing is like $100. Like he bought this pack of little people, little tiny people that was over $100 some of them I looked at the price. I was like yo this crazy. He's like that's secondhand. I'm like what no dude model trains anyway

Jamie Jamie is like he out like dry awkward humors me that that guy's hilarious anyway There's a light says light discussion on how to choose between the 9950X3D and the 9800X3D. I mean, well, that's pretty self-explanatory. If gaming is your only focus, 9800X3D, or if you want that, oh, it's small, but that very small, extra little edge, the 9950X3D does run a little bit faster, but obviously costs quite a bit more.

So the main reason to step up to it is going to be if you really need the extra eight cores. And, oh, this is cool. Now's your chance to win the ultimate gaming upgrade. Three lucky winners will take home some sweet prizes with the grand prize, including an AMD Ryzen 7 9800 X3D, the Goat of Gaming, a Radeon RX 9070 XT, and a Steam Deck OLED. Two runners up will each receive

a Steam Deck OLED. So enter the sweepstakes now. We will have it linked in the video description alongside full Ts and Cs, including regions where people are eligible. Okay, Luke, get it over with. So AJ apparently pointed out that Linus asked him to introduce himself like four times and also at the first LTX, Linus thought AJ was a fan. To be fair, I think that was the first time you guys met each other. So it kind of makes sense given the context of the situation because I don't think AJ had one of the shirts. And I will pair it with the awkwardness of me hiring AJ to bring things off of Linus for a second. I think you probably remember this story, but AJ was the first person that I hired by myself.

And I thought it was really weird that someone was joining the company and had never talked to Yvonne. Which doesn't matter anymore and is totally normal, but at that point in time was genuinely weird. She handled like onboarding and a lot of stuff. It was part of like every hiring before then I think to a certain degree. So I was like, yeah. She even helped me review resumes back when I hired you at NCIS. Yeah, yeah.

Like she was, and like now there's just, there's no way, right? Like there were such a huge company, not even just Yvonne, like most people aren't gonna know anything about it when you're brought on, cause we're so big. But back then it was weird. So I just like, I was on the phone with him talking about it, and then I was just like, oh yeah, you should like talk to Yvonne.

And I just handed the phone to Yvonne. And they both just sat there and were like, uh, you know, both their personalities. They would both do that. And it's like, didn't really say anything. It was incredibly awkward. And I just threw them both into this scenario with no prep, no planning, no instructions on like maybe what they should talk about or anything.

Eventually I just, I don't remember what happened after that, but I think I eventually just took the phone back and was like sorry So yeah my bad Yeah, you you actually can be quite awkward too sometimes It's in a different way though. He's like an aggressive kind of awkward, and I'm like like an offensive kind of awkward and I'm like an offensive kind of awkward. Pete Liesveld laughs Jared Slauson Because like, okay, a big part of my sense of humor is saying something that I think is so ridiculously stupid or so ridiculously outlandish or offensive that nobody could possibly take it seriously. And then where I run into trouble is that a lot of

people take it seriously either because they have no idea anything about me. So, and they have people in their lives who are that stupid or that mean or whatever. And so they just like assume that that's actually my real thoughts or my real demeanor. Or. Or you've got people that just don't pick up social cues. And even when I like laugh after are just like, oh, he's mean. Or they suddenly think that you are totally on their side and this is something that they are totally for. Which one was that?

Oh, oh yeah, well, yeah, so anyway. And then it's like, uh-oh. Yeah, so a lot of the time I accidentally say stuff that is like plausible to people, even though to me it's like ridiculous, right? Like you'll, I use verbal irony a lot, you know, where I'll instead of, and it is not quite the same thing as sarcasm. Sarcasm is cutting, whereas verbal irony is just saying one thing and meaning the complete opposite. So I will say something like, we'll be talking about Nestle, and I'll say, but obviously water isn't a fundamental human right anyway. I mean, what makes humans more entitled to

it than fish? So realistically, if people are dying because they don't have access to Nestle, then they should prioritize their, their product or water Nestle should prioritize their profits I suspect that the way and show audience of any audience that you have will understand that more Probably more pretty often do that on way because they see me free flow it more, but they also like miss it sometimes. Yeah Absolutely. I'm just saying Section to repost on red curiosity says Nestle. What's that pronunciation? That pronunciation is Nestle. The pronunciation. What do you think that accent a go is? Um, that that it guys, that is the that is the that's how you pronounce it. I'm pretty a dude, man. If I'm wrong about this, I'm just I'm done with the show. It is here today.

I think they're saying it's Nestle. Is that what they think it is? No, they think it's Nestle. That's how Americans say it. Nestle? Yeah. Is this like them saying niche instead of niche? Have you never heard Nestle? Nestle. Yeah, there's no way you've never heard that. It's always Nestle. I don't talk to Americans. Apparently. I think most Canadians call it Nestle as well. Maybe I was just hearing Nestle when they said Nestle. Probably. I'm pretty sure like most English speaking Canadians say Nestle.

Yeah, I just assumed. Apparently, in the English speaking world, the ads do pronounce it Nestle. Interesting. However, the actual spelling of it, this is this is a French accent which is present in the branding. Let's play it. Here, hold on. No, no, no, that's fine. Oh no, are we gonna be wrong for the first times in our lives? No. Could never happen. Yeah, so if you look, this is an accent a go and it means A. Like, okay, I was going to say terminé, but that's actually with two E's instead of an accent, I think. Anyway, like, so like a French word with an E at the end that has that accent, or even if it's not at the end. It sounds like AJ saying that he pronounces it that way. Well, yeah, because it's French and because it's a French word with a French accent on it, but English doesn't have

accent aegu, so we just say Nestle, apparently, even though that would be pronounced Nestle, which is an actual word. So why we pronounce it Nestle, maybe Nestle did that on purpose so that we wouldn't think their name was Nestle. I'm not sure. I don't know the origin. But apparently, apparently they do use Nestle in their marketing according to Float Plane Chat. People don't believe me. They're like, look it up on an actual product like Nestle Quick.

It's there. Look. See? Axon? They flatten flatten it they flatten the accent because they are they also have it over the other letters I thought it was just a design thing no they sometimes don't have it over the other letters here hold on yeah here on this one oh no no that one is over the other letters yep no you're right what about I don't think it always is though.

Fred said on Floatplane, what about fiance? Fiance? I think it does have an accent. It does. But so many English words have French origins, and that's why we pronounce them the way that we do. But unless you actually like took French in school or whatever, you don't recognize those things that were either part of the French and English languages simultaneous development and came

from the Latin origin versus things that were just kind of picked up from each other in our dialects. Yeah, there's a ton of words that are English words, but we kind of pronounce in a French way just because originally they were French words or like whatever. Also applies to multiple other languages. 100%. I do know that in England back in the old days they used to say nestles and even the commercials had that too. They also came up with the word soccer and then are now mad at other people for using it so I don't know. But the big question is why are we giving any air time

to an evil company that steals people's drinking water? That's a good call. Yeah, we should just keep pronouncing their name wrong. Yeah, let's call them Nestle from now on. Yeah, I'm going with Nestle. No one will be able to find any information about them because they're gonna look up Nestle. They're gonna be like,

hmm, birds getting in a little nest. Nestling in there. Yeah. They won't even find chocolate drink What are we supposed to be talking about just more topics until you're done with the topics VMware stuff Liquid cooler innovation Sure oh Liquid Cooler Innovation? Uh, sure.

Oh yeah, we talked about- did we even talk about the- did we even read the notes on the GTA 6 trailer? No. Oh my god. I don't think literally at all. May 2nd, Rockstar announced the release date for GTA 6. No, no, it's fine. We talked about it enough. Don't care? Cool. Yeah. Alright.

Well, it's not that we don't care, it's just that we like, did kinda cover most of this. Not coming to PC for a while, doesn't matter to me! Cool. Alright, I'm gonna collapse some of the ones we don't care. It's just that we like did kind of cover most of this. Not coming to PC for a while. Doesn't matter to me. Cool. All right. I'm gonna collapse some of the ones we've done already. Do you want to do the AI roundup? Good lord is there for a lot this week. There's no spicy stuff. There's no spicy stuff? No, I said there's some spicy stuff. Oh, good. Cause yeah, wow, I was not on the same page as you there, sir.

The first one is wild. Yeah, hit me. So the first mini-topic is Judge Accepts AI Testimony from Deadman. Christopher Pelkey was killed in a road rage incident in 2021 where he was shot in the chest. An AI avatar created by the victim's family who was seeking the maximum sentence, remember that for later, was allowed to address the court and the AI's testimony included forgiving the accused and saying they might have been friends. That's weird.

B Hollinger says nitpick, since there are a lot of words in English from French, but English is Germanic and Nordic in origin, not Latin. The Latin influences came later, thank you. Carry on. Okay. The judge seemed to be moved by the testimony saying to the victim's family, I heard the forgiveness and you allowed Chris to speak from his heart as you saw it. I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence. But then the judge handed down the maximum sentence anyway of 10 and a half years. What did we just witness here? There are so many layers of fucked up to unpack.

What? So the victims... So the prosecution side, the relatives of the murdered guy make an AI based on presumably some kind of record His brain's broken some kind of records of the guy who was killed right? the AI the judge allows the AI avatar to Did they question like a live LLM that had an animated avatar or is this a video I believe so That's my understanding correct me if I'm wrong, please chat, jump in there. Jump in there. The judge allowed the AI avatar to be interviewed,

to testify. And then the AI forgave the accused saying they might have been friends. And then the judge said, I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence, but then handed down the maximum sentence anyway, which apparently the prosecution was seeking. So this whole like AI testimony thing could have backfired on them super hard. thing could have backfired on them super hard.

It's a statement written by the person's wife as the AI avatar. Is that what it was? Video for impact statement. Okay, hold on. Stacy Wales, Pelkey's sister and his brother-in-law, both work in the AI field. When Wales suggested bringing her late brother to life like that, she said her husband was more than hesitant. He recoiled, Wales told NBC News, and he said, Stacy, do you know what you're asking me to do? This is my best friend. And I said, I know, it's my brother.

And then he said, if this isn't perfect, if this doesn't go out and really embody the spirit of Chris, I'm not going to let this be shown. Okay, so it's just an AI avatar reading the impact statement. Yeah. What? Whoa. Okay, it's less stupid that's still I thought that was the only way it would ever happen that's still okay that's that's okay we got a okay yeah was allowed to address the court okay it would have been nice to

have that detail in here I don't think that makes it less nuts. The defendant's attorney called the presentation inflammatory and said it created a strong issue for appeal. I actually like kind of agree, which is sort of unfortunate because obviously I would just, you know, if they found the guy guilty I would just like to see justice served at this point rather than us dragging this out. But I feel like you're setting precedence almost. Well, I mean, this whole thing is precedent setting, like, so you reanimate. It was post conviction, but before sentencing.

But then hold on a second, why? So if they're, see, the victim's family who was seeking the maximum sentence, remember that for later, was allowed to address the court, and then the judge was moved by it saying, you allowed Chris to speak from his heart as you saw it, I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence. So, did they just like- And then gave the maximum sentence anyway. So, they just wrote a victim statement that contradicted the sentence they were seeking

and the- And the sentence that was given. They're like, they already found him guilty. I know, I know, but this is like sentencing, right? Like sentencing is part of just seeing justice served out is according to our current system, whether you agree with it or not. I want to move on. Uh, Meta's AI app lets you see what others are doing with generative AI.

The verge calls it a mashup of Pinterest and everything annoying about threads with a sprinkling of generative AI on top. That's a great comparison. It's hard to explain. Look at these examples. Mixing food and fashion. Gary Vee. What? So Gary Vaynerchuk. Yeah. Tells a 98 year old that he's still got time to make it on Meta. Is that mixing food and fat?

No, that's the second one. Sorry, I was more interested in this one. I saw him speaking. That one's listed as Gary V. yelling at an old man. Yeah, okay. I'm going to go with can't escape the clown. Imagine a room without a clown in it. You can make the room however you want, in style you want but do not put a clown in the

room. Wait so what it like always puts a clown in the room? There's always a clown in the room. Why is there, Luke, why is there always a clown in the room? I wonder if it could have had a pre-prompt or something or something that's weird I don't know. Okay so what's the point of this? I mean I guess if our social media is just all going to be AI generated slop then it might as well we might as well just be forthcoming with that. Yeah apparently people are cheating in like Counter-Strike now. They're not even at their computer. It's just AI is playing the whole game. So the AI is aimbotting, but it's also just entirely a bot. It's not even someone playing the game. This is happening in lobbies to try to get like,

I don't know, I'm assuming drops or whatever. I have no idea. Cases, I don't know, something. And it's like, it's fairly widespread in public matches apparently. is clear you know what I Actually noticed the last few times that I was playing counter-strike like for videos That just dropping into a public match is flipping hard now Like I'm just getting I am getting like blown away from all over the map in a way that like I'm not gonna counter-strike

Like I'm not good at counter strike But it seems like a new level part of that is I think a lot of people don't play multiplayer games for like fun anymore But I'm just I'm just going into like public lobbies though. It's a competitive career But like the amount of people that literally just sit in aim trainer trainers for hours But my MMR is trash. It was on like the LTT benchmark account. Like there's no way But my MMR is trash it was on like the LTT benchmark account like there's no way Maybe maybe John is just a killer account. I mean that's possible never know um can be just in there popping heads It's clear we need to bring back land gaming like faster and harder than ever like let's go whale land

Wait, did I update people the city of Surrey seems very amenable and they're like like super duperper working on it. I know you told me, but I don't know if it was on the show. Yeah, I can't remember. Whatever. We met the mayor. We had a really good chat about like, let's go gaming, e-sports, badminton. We're going to make it happen. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Next one has AI broken university multiple stories of gain traction this week calling attention to the trend of students relying on AI to complete university coursework and the struggle of universities to adjust to the new reality. Headlines NYMAG, or N-Y MAG, whatever, everyone is cheating their way through college and New Yorker's other headline was, will the humanities survive artificial intelligence?

Quotes from students, this is an oddly written article. Quotes from students. College is just how well I can use chat GPT at this point. Another one is I spent so much time on TikTok hours and hours until my eyes start hurting, which makes it hard to plan and do my schoolwork. This is very honest. With chat GPT, I can write an essay in two hours that normally takes 12. Wow.

Dr. Mike Perkins, a generative AI researcher, told The Guardian that AI detection software is unreliable. Yeah, and they are very easily tricked. Yeah. Has research found- His research found. His research found that AI detectors could detect AI text with an accuracy of 39.5% but with minor manipulations of the text and other simple evasion techniques, accuracy dropped to just 22.1%. A tool that is 22% effective is not a tool. That's a novelty.

Can we stop live editing the doc by any chance? It keeps bouncing around. Not me. I literally just had to scroll to find where I was at. Oh my goodness. Is that you, Dan? Researchers at the University of Reading, I believe, conducted a blind test in 2024,

submitting chat GBT written answers through the university's own exam system. And 94% of the AI submissions went undetected and received higher scores than those submitted by the humans. Oh no. We're cooked. The discussion question on this is actually the main reason why I wanted to talk about it. Are you going to insist your kids go to college? No. Um, the one thing that I want my kids to do is pursue entrepreneurship because, and I've had this conversation

on when countless times, so I'm not gonna rehash the whole thing, but basically there is an unlimited ceiling on pursuing something better and newer and different, whereas there is always gonna be a finite ceiling on doing the same task over and over and over and over and over again. And I think part of that comes from being an entrepreneur and part of that comes from working

in a creative industry where even even our mick jobs for the most part are not mick jobs because there is there's no such thing as like just your you just move the thing. You move the thing from point A to point B in accordance with the way that corporate prescribes. There's room for user input on literally, I'm trying to think of a job here that this is not true for, like literally every position here requires you to engage your bloody brain. requires you to engage your bloody brain. And so, I would like for my kids that they not get bored. And this is actually something that I learned from Taryn, who basically goes, look, when you're not learning anything anymore, that's when it's time to leave your current place of work. You know, for him, obviously, you know, other factors like location and pay, these are all considerations, obviously. But the red line is when I am not learning anything anymore, it's time to go. And so, I would like for wherever they land, I would like for them to have that

always learning, always pursuing something higher mindset. I hope. That's good. I hope. That's good. I don't think, because some people are going to take this all as advice, and I think some of that is probably good to take as advice. I don't think necessarily pushing every single kid with every single set of opportunities into entrepreneurship is, okay, it's not what he said. It's not what he said. Oh yeah, no, not necessarily. My kids have, my kids are privileged. They have a safety net. We're not, let's not. It's a lot easier to experiment Oh, yeah, no, not necessarily. My kids have a, my kids are privileged. They have a safety net. We're not, let's, let's not.

It's a lot easier to experiment with entrepreneurship. And I mean, probably the best possible route they should go. I do agree. Yeah. I'm just saying some people are going to take this in a way that it wasn't, which is it's not advice. It's the question was what he will do. And you know what?

Like it might not, they might not even pursue that right like One of my kids wants to be a vet you can't just like be a vet by not going to university That's not how that works. You actually like need to go to veterinary yet You are going to medical school just for animals instead of for people and So, you know, whatever they wanna do, you know, we wanna be supportive, right? Maybe they'll do something with turquoise.

All right, next one. New AI model lets robots clean up homes it's never seen before. Ooh. The Pi-05 is a VLA, vision language action model, general enough to be useful in entirely new environments. The model enables a cleaning robot to understand semantic context and to infer the structure of a task. For example, when cleaning the kitchen, knowing what items are appropriate to pick up and put away and where to

put them. So I guess it could look in a cupboard and see if the plates are there or whatever. It's also possible to coach the bot through multiple steps of a complex process with natural language. This is the kind of stuff I think people want from AI in its defense. AI recruiter glitching goes viral. TikTok user itsken04 posted a recording of part of a job interview, her first meeting with a prospective employer

in which the AI recruiter repeats vertical bar Pilates more than a dozen times. Something over the words. The AI was part of a platform called Appropria, or sorry, Appriora, which claims to help companies hire 87% faster and interview 93% cheaper. Comments on the video were almost universally against

the use of AI interviewers with one noting that if they're not taking the time to interview me, I'm not taking the time to try to work there. This is a huge thing. I don't know how much you've heard about this. I haven't heard anything like it. A lot of places are using this stuff and people hate it. Okay tell me this, tell me this and I'm about to find something out so I'm

I'm f***ing around right now and I might be about to find out. Oh. Do we use AI for our hiring? No. Look, you don't have to like give me the like corporate puffery version like do we know? at all Not as far as I know Okay, and will you like have hired people in the last like yeah weeks so like if you don't know then I assume Okay, well, I maybe I think my no is a pretty good answer I'm not involved in all the hiring, but I've done hiring recently we have a person who's still under probation So I'm not gonna name them, but we have a person on the labs team that is new.

So clearly within the last 90 days. No part of that involved. Okay, all right. And do we feel that that is the best path? As of right now, I would say yeah. Yeah, okay. I don't know if I'll hold that line forever, but I mean, I think I mentioned last week

that like almost every interaction I had with a chat-based LLM recently had hallucinations in it, despite the fact that people are saying hallucinations are going down. I decided to try to push that even further, and that record is still standing. I don't have an example for you. But it's nearly constant. The one that I started running into recently was that it can't get dates right. Really?

I was trying to get it to deal with a timetable. Not a check-in, check-out thing, but like, what is the plan over the course of this week, blah, blah, blah. And it kept saying, like, let me look at the calendar. It would say, like, Saturday, May 11th. Wait. No. Yeah. like let me look at the calendar. It would say like, Saturday, May 11th. Wait, no. Yeah. Right, okay. It doesn't look immediately wrong though. Yeah.

And this is my big problem with the whole people's perceptions on AI hallucinations is I think a lot of the times, they're just looking at it surface level. And a lot of the things that it's gonna be wrong on require at least one step of looking into it. Yeah. And a lot of the things that it's going to be wrong on require at least one step of looking into it. And people don't understand the whole part where it's a really great kickoff tool for research. It's a really great writer's block solver. It's a really great bouncing off. Yeah, I used it to help name the Smash champs badminton center. I sweet had it help me come up with just like

combinations of words But it still requires you and I think a lot of people are just trying to take its output and just crap it out And it's like man. That is not You're not gonna have a good time like there's so many things that are just slightly wrong like if you if you go with that like Saturday May 11th thing and Then book something using the date of the 11th, you just horrifically screwed up. Right. Neat. And in like such a basic way. And when someone questions like, how did you book this on the wrong day? Like it was obvious when it was supposed to

be and you're like, well, that's not going to stand up. It's on you. I don't know anyways. Unless everyone else involved in whatever that occasion was also relies on an LLM for daily tasks and they're like oh yeah yeah it's possible. Yeah but it's a lot of mistakes. Um. We'll see we'll see how things go but as of right now no. This is cool. Having a perpetual license for software now means that you can get a cease and desist. Excuse me? I've talked about this in the past, how TeamViewer kept soliciting me to buy a subscription when what I actually had was a perpetual license for TeamViewer 12, which, by the way, I still own. And no, I do not have a TeamViewer subscription. They have stopped by the way so you don't need to like hate TeamViewer

anymore or less than you already do right now but I have talked in the past about this strategy that companies have where they will sell you a perpetual license to their product and then in order to get out of that they will introduce a new product that is that product but version number a plus one and then they will force you to buy a subscription for it I politely told team viewer to f*** right off with that and stop trying to sell me your subscription because I bought a perpetual license I'm gonna keep using it. But it looks like that strategy might not have worked here. Over the last several weeks, VMware users have been receiving cease and desist letters

from Broadcom who purchased VMware back in November of 2023. After the acquisition, VMware ended sale of the perpetual licenses, including ending support for those users. This was done, drumroll please, to push their subscription model, which also increased by 300% or more after the acquisition. This cease and desist letter states that any implementation of updates past the expiration date must be immediately removed slash de-installed, adding any such

use of support past the expiration date constitutes a material breach of the agreement with VMware and an infringement of VMware's intellectual property rights potentially resulting in claims for enhanced damages and attorneys fees. This left some users confused since they technically haven't received any updates or security patches since the support ended anyway. So I guess I'm a f*** you a Broadcom? Oh yeah, continued. Yep. It's funny, cause like, wasn't VMware already like kind of hated? I don't think they were particularly well liked. Maybe not, but I don't think I would go as far as to say they were hated. I think it was one of those things where like...

Okay, chats... Hold on, chat. Let us know. Because I don't know, I thought that was a thing. Yeah, people say a bit. I think it was a bit. Like, people didn't like it, but I think people didn't like it in the way that like, a lot of people... I don't think people didn't like it as a tool. I think people love it as a tool, but didn't like the...

And the fact that that is so much more now, okay, yeah Onik Hedge says the VMware has been up to some shenanigans for a while. That's the the acquisition was a while ago so I don't know if they I Don't know Okay Yeah, okay, it seems like either yes or meh Someone says I'm not bad not that bad until they got acquired. Okay. Either way, yeah, that sounds terrible. And this, man, how can, this can't be legal. You know, perpetual license. That perpetual has a meaning and I get your

T's and C's or whatever, you could change your thing or... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm in an AIO cooler, aka the design that basically everyone uses. Since then, they have become less of a cooling innovation company and more of a patent trolling company, successfully taking Cooler Master, Corsair, and Coolit systems to court and winning. Last year, when they were unable to get a patent extension, their stock price dropped 40% in one day. And if you have a look at their stock price over the last year, it's... rough. Things are looking so bad for Asatechek they might be getting acquired soon, which is an ouch.

This could potentially lead to a bunch of innovation in the cooling space though, or at least just price drops in the AIO cooler market, because any company can now make a CPU cooler with the pump and the cold plate integrated and do whatever they want with it. It'll probably just lead to cheaper coolers though, which is also cool. What else we got this week? Oh my goodness. There's so many. Okay, EB Games back from the dead? I thought I said no for this topic. That may have been a misclick. Sorry, whoever prepped that. I'm so sorry. GameStop Canada is becoming EB Games again or something. Oh!

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limitations and criticizes the talking points that these services provide to creators considering them to be misleading, and says that the services may not be a good value for most people. The YouTuber also reiterates that we really need more robust privacy laws that protect our personal information and we need them soon. Speak to your representatives. DeleteMe and Incogni have both provided positive responses to the video, which Reject Convenience has posted on his blog. Again, go watch the video, it's really well made. Also, apparently we got a subtle shout out. Using Delete Me has actually made noticeable improvements for me as a public facing creator.

I've actually seen a reduction in spam calls since using the service, and it does make it that much more difficult to find my personal information. If anyone really put their mind to it, I'm sure they could find more about me than I even want to think about, but often just making something a little more difficult makes people less likely to do it. It says Adam. Oh, okay, that was from Adam. I thought that was from the video. Yeah, I thought it was from the video as well. I was like, I don't remember this. Okay.

Oh, okay. Interesting. I should... Okay, yeah, we should come up with a way. He did actually put a paragraph break there, so there, yeah. We should have realized that that was just Adam's notes All right Oh our discussion question here is what steps is Linus Media Group taking to ensure that our sponsor talking points for delete me are Fully representative of the product going forward We've already worked with them on revising the talking points and we're gonna make sure that we get that sorted out for you guys

All right, what else we got here? We can leave out... Skype is dead. Yeah. It died. Okay, it's died. 22 years after the launch, Skype is dead. Cool.

That was a short topic. We should upload that one as a clip. We have some deets about the ROG Ally 2. Photos and specs of two pre-production models of the new ROG and Xbox co-branded Ally 2s have leaked from an Indonesian certification office and FCC listing. Looks like we're getting the same 120 Hertz LCD screen, a new shape reminiscent of the PS portal with full controller grips, and a fairly significant bump in performance for the higher-end model. Specs we know with fairly high certainty. So here's a little

here's a little table. Let's go. Here's the black version, 35 watts. Whoa! Zen 5, Zen 5 let's go. Radeon 890M let's go. Similar to an AMD HX370 with four CPUs disabled. Pretty impressive benchmarks. You can find the benchmarks elsewhere. We still don't know when they're coming, for how much or how tightly integrated the Xbox functionality will be. All right, that's it for topics, it's time for After Dark.

Yes. More like After Dork. I think we just, I think we surprised him with that one, it's gonna take a second. No, he's got it. I believe it. He's a professional, let's watch him. I'm just saying, I'm just buying him some time. Look at that, it's already After Dark got it. I believe it. He's a professional. Let's watch him.

I'm just saying. I'm just buying him some time. Look at that. It's already after dark. Boom. Got him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Boom. Got him. All right. How dare you? I was in the middle of messaging Chewie to turn that into a LNG clip. How dare you doubt this man?

I didn't doubt him. This man is doing so much for the WAN show. Now you're just being patronizing. Has done so much for my reputation You can't just go home because you have social awkwardness issues He made sure people would not think I'm mean does not mean that that interaction was bad now. He's just being mean I take everything I say back. I hate it here Wow that sniff was synchronized oh, sorry very cool

Really not feeling 100% oh, I should have given you a heads up today. I totally forgot. Okay. Well, I'm not feeling 100% Galiste's not leaving the country Yeah, right. It would be pretty funny if Luke got sick on a trip again Cool every time every time Okay, well Every time. Every time. Every time. Okay, well, congratulations on being sick. Thanks. Now. That's good. Or later. Later. But like, not very much later. Probably like, right when I get there. Cool. For what it's worth, I think it's bacterial, so if I had antibiotics, I'd probably be better by now, but I didn't really bother.

Didn't want to get those the same way as last time I haven't really I don't think I've acknowledged that publicly how I got those drugs have I know okay? There's there's ways to get drugs that are not a doctor Stealing there's all kinds of doctors. Yeah. Yeah, there's lots of different kinds of doctors. You know There's all kinds of doctors. Yeah. There's lots of different kinds of doctors. They got all kinds of doctors. All right, what are we talking about? Loved the recent video on DIY batteries. Of all the projects you and the team have worked on,

which one made you gain the most, quote unquote, unexpectedly useful knowledge and skills? Stuff that you end up using a lot. Ooh. Oh man. there's so many videos now that I have a really, really hard time like coming up with a video sometimes. One where I gained skills unexpectedly. Oh boy.

Unexpectedly useful, not that you gained the skill unexpectedly. Yeah. But the skill ended up being useful in the rest of. Not that you gained the skill unexpectedly. Yeah. But the skill ended up being useful in the rest of your life and you did not expect it. Maybe that helps, but I doubt it. Yeah. Wow.

I mean, yeah. That's cool though. Cool message. I mean, here's one. Yeah, here's one. Okay. I'm gonna get my license to drive the fire truck. Are you actually yeah It turns out it's it's not that bad

Yeah, you just you just have to get like the air brake certification. You don't actually have to get like a class three Because it's it's only dual axle. Oh, yeah, so it's like really not that bad Apparently we thought it was gonna be like a 20-hour course, but it's like a one-day thing So I'm I think me and the Alex's and anyone else who wants to do it are gonna like do it at the same time So I haven't seen this I haven't seen it on the schedule yet, but we're gonna do it pretty quick cool So that's that's something I unexpectedly am gonna learn but I didn't like learn it from that You know what? I'm standing by it. All right, hit me.

Sure thing. What has been the most unexpected piece of feedback or insight you've gained from your audience that influenced your approach to creating content? So many unexpected things. Yeah, I didn't realize they were all this today. Yeah. It's an unexpected piece of feedback or insight.

I think something that changed our approach over the last 10 years or so was realizing how important the role of this Oasis where we can just talk about and think about tech was for people. I think that there have been times when we have delved into other issues that people have just told us point blank, not because they sit on one side of the issue or the other side of the issue or whatever, but have just told us like, hey,

you guys are my respite from thinking about everything that's going on in the world right now, whether it's then or now or whatever. And can we just not? And I guess that one's top of mind for me because there's been a lot more of that feedback lately as we've engaged in conversation on the changes from the recent US administration with respect to import tariffs. And I think the thing that's really tough is when people say, hey, can you not talk about politics? It's like, well, it's kind of hard to avoid sometimes. You know, it's like when we're talking about net neutrality

or right to repair or hey, all your s*** is going to cost way more. Those are not, in my mind sometimes, political conversations. They're just some facts. But over time, more and more things feel like they are becoming politicized, if that makes sense. It's not because they're inherently political. Even like liking a certain activity that has deeply nothing to do with politics is politicized. Sure. Like going to the shooting range for instance. Sure. I could see that. It can even be like more chill than that like liking a certain type of sport. Really? Yeah. Ugh. It's pretty wild. That's lame. It's not cool. No. No. I'm not chill with it. Yeah. I just want it. I just want my tech videos. Yeah. So I'm basically I'm trying to say

I hear you loud and clear and we try, but there are situations where, when you've got a particular political party that is like not doing anything useful for right to repair or obstructing it or whatever, or, you know. She's not even calling you when I'm out, that just happens on both sides. Yeah, that's a very both sides thing, I intentionally chose that. Then like we have real, or when you have a particular side

that is not handling privacy very well or is enacting like super stupid legislation that's objectively stupid. And we can all just agree as stupid if we're not being brainwashed, then we've got to call that out, right? Like that's how democracy works. That's the whole point is that regardless of what team,

you know, and they're on my team or they're on your team or whatever, regardless of what team, you know, and they're on my team or they're on your team or whatever, regardless of what team someone's on, we're supposed to be able to call it out when it's like, oh yeah, our solution to gatekeeping explicit content online is to create a giant honeypot of everyone's personal information in a super unsecured way. It's like, well, no, that's objectively a bad idea and we should push back on it no matter who's in charge, right?

So, but I just feel like there's less and less room for that. I don't know why this whole thing, like just somewhere to not talk about politics or whatever, made me think of this, but every once in a while, I think about threads like this on the forum. Yeah. This thread has almost 60,000 replies. It's 11 years old. It's at the point now where it's actually like costing significant amounts to like store the data for it.

Not that significant. Well, measurable amounts. How about measurable? We could measure it. Someone could. Someone could. We won't. It wouldn't be worth it. Yeah. But yeah, and it's just, I mean, you look at the rules and it's just like I Don't know

Do the thing that makes sense for this post? Who is number one and number two number three is have fun and number four is just keep it civil and it's like cool Nice that last one is becoming harder and harder it is But just have fun and keep it fun But just have fun. And keep it fun. And that's the rule is keep it fun. All right, Dan. Hit me. Can you have maybe not a downer this time?

Can you do that? Linus, what's an unexpected... Oh, no, wait. Hey, sure, this one's not a downer. Hey, LLD. Linus, you often announce things with a sing-songy way. Where do you think you picked that up from? I think that's pretty normal. Sing songy.

Song songy. Yeah. Song songy. The song songy way. Ah, I don't know. I never really thought about it. I did sing as a child. I never really thought about it. I did sing as a child. I am good enough to know that I suck, so I don't often sing, but I am capable of it a little bit. So maybe it's a thing that I do, just naturally. Maybe I had some childhood influence that I never noticed. I truthfully have not really thought about it at all it's pretty normal okay cool yeah there's no way I'm doing any singing right now I have a sore throat he's not listening that's good okay Dan hit me hello Linus I'm trying to resist buying a motorcycle.

Don't. What got you into it? Don't resist it. How do you stay safe on the road? And how does Yvonne feel about it? All the gear all the time, Yvonne hates it. Oh, by the way, speaking of motorcycles. You're not done yet.

Speaking of motorcycles, are you ready to lose? I know you're not done yet. Are you ready to lose though? If you're not done yet. Are you ready to lose though? If you aren't done, I haven't lost yet. Okay, hold on a second. I gotta send a thing to Dan. I gotta send a thing to Dan. He's not done yet. I have to send a thing to Dan. He's not done yet. Ah, how do I do this? I'm not even concerned. hold on share with Daniel just email it to info That is not what I'm going to do good that is not happening All locked into it also

Rude I'm not mean Just this one. Yep. I do have one more. Oh, this is just a different angle. Actually, this is is a better angle but whatever okay fine I'm sharing this to Daniel Besser okay you want both of those ah oh man I found a third angle that's like the best one yeah yeah just use the second one okay drumroll please Mmm drum roll, please He's not done yet, but hey progress that is nice progress is starting to look pretty good. That's progress It's definitely not even everywhere Hold on part of that is the light and part of that is uneven So I went hard mode and used like a candy style coating which I have discovered is pretty

much impossible to coat evenly on something as irregularly shaped as a lot of pieces of a motorbike. Some of the more uniform pieces I've actually got it reasonably uniform. The wheels are going to be horrible, don't look at the wheels. There's a fleck like right on the top of the gas tank that I'm so upset about. Like a little piece of dried paint that was on some of my masking tape to keep paint out of the gas tank came off and landed there and it's like a little white spot, it's like right on the top, like right under where I'm gonna be

looking at all the time, so upset and there's nothing I can do now I would have to completely blast it again prime it again white again pink again like it's not enough not happening at this point I'm just accepting whatever result I get so make of that what you will so it's gonna look pretty bad is what I've kind of come around to and I'm gonna ride it anyway because sunk cost fallacy goes hard. Anyway yeah motorcycle lots of fun it's a totally different experience from driving there are definitely things about it that are more dangerous like the fact that if you

get in an accident you're dead but there are things about it that are more dangerous, like the fact that if you get in an accident, you're dead. But there are things about it that, in my opinion, make it, if you are a very attentive and defensive rider, make it easier to avoid getting into an accident. You are more nimble. You have bigger buffer zones. I'd say that's the bigger thing. I mistakenly said once on the WAN Show that you can brake faster on a bike. It feels like it. Apparently, you can't in its physics, so I'm I'm like okay that's good to know. But what you definitely can do is have more buffer space so you can position yourself so that you have a bigger cushion side to side from other vehicles. You can, if you are braking, you can go beside something to buy yourself a

little bit of extra space. Sometimes, not always, because if you are braking, you can go beside something to buy yourself a little bit of extra space. Sometimes, not always, because if you're braking hard, you cannot steer while you're braking on a motorbike. J2134 says, it's literally the most unsafe form of transportation. Okay, yeah, fair enough. But, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not talking about lane splitting. I don't lane split. And that is a very good way to be in trouble and get dead. Anyway, what got me into it was my dad used to take me on his bike and it was awesome. Just, I don't know, it's like wind, you know,

going past you and like the, you know, the gear and the, I don't know, man, I'm not much of a petrol head when it comes to cars I literally just want my car to be as quiet as possible and just like a quiet zoom zoom machine I drive electric and I love it but like something about the motorbike I test drove an electric bike it sucked just soulless I love the I love the sound of the bike. Yep. Bike. Vroom vroom. Hi, LTD guys. Why didn't you include pre-built systems from the likes of Micro Center, Memory Express, etc. in Secret Shopper?

That's a good question. We just don't really think of them as system integrators, and we haven't included them, and it's arbitrary. Yeah, that's a very good question. We very well could, we just didn't. Micro Center would be a little tougher because we'd probably have to go in person, I would think. Like we're not American, so that's tougher. To all three of you, do you think Canada

will bring home Lord Stanley's Cup this year? And which team do you think has the best shot? I was Oilers going into it, just because I feel like they got robbed last year. And I really want, I really want, I think there's, there's, you got to core with that kind of talent. You just got to like, you kind of kind of look at it and go like come on like you got there's no way like they got it but man have you seen that Winnipeg Jets come back I've been watching it I don't know what's happening over there dude I mean I I just it makes you want to root for them. The fact that they staved off elimination with one point six seconds left and then managed to manage to get it done in double over time.

Like, how can you not? How can you not root for these people? How can you not root for them? It's the love of the game right there, man. Um, man, it looked like they had nothing going on. Like they weren't set up at all. That pass. That is like one of the most heads up plays that I have ever seen ever.

Just getting it across. He could have just shot again. He could have just shot again. It's been like a few years of really good hockey. Like 500 IQ. Like, dude. I don't know what's going on. Oh. It's been a good time. Yeah.

Speaking of a good time. And dude, oh man, I didn't catch the entire game, but I was like at a sports bar eating dinner last night and I caught like the first five minutes of the Oilers game and like right off the opening faceoff end to end just non-stop actually don't know who won that I should probably check I am vikas oilers five four dang that's a super high well from a little bit of that I saw I'm not surprised like I'm sure the first thing that both coaches said at the first like TV timeout was yo everybody settle the fuck down There's just who needs defense. Yeah, just go Anyway, all right anyway good luck for everyone else's team. I guess no one else answered

Oh apparently Winnipeg's killing it tonight sorry dude, so who's who's team I guess no one else answered oh apparently Winnipeg's killing it tonight sorry did so who's who's yours I don't know oilers I need to go then get out of here what are you waiting for you oh alright we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye Alright, I'm up. you