The WAN Show - NVIDIA’s New CPU Makes Me Excited Again - WAN Show July 24, 2026

Episode Date: July 25, 2026

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The Hulu original series Furious is coming to Disney Plus. Starring Emmy Rossum, Furious follows FBI agent Alice Black on the hunt for a mysterious and calculating serial killer. Both walk their own paths toward justice, and as their lives start to intertwine, the line between right and wrong begins to blur. Don't miss the three-episode premiere of the Hulu original series Furious on July 27th, only on Hulu on Disney Plus. and welcome to the Land Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week, actually. There's lots of fun stuff. Nvidia has provided new details on their Vera data center CPUs,

and this raised Luke's eyebrows just a bit, yeah, see, he did it. You couldn't see it because it was the one that was closer to me, but he did it. He did it again. I am really, really excited about them and what they might mean for the few, future of CPU micro architectures that will, I will lay out a case for this, hopefully make their way to gamers and be a major benefit. In other news, oh, framework had a bit of a rough week investment disclosure with respect to pricing of memory modules in their laptops. We'll get into that a little bit more later.

What else we got? Microsoft introduces Xbox backwards compatibility program on PC. Exciting, interesting. For Xbox games. Kind of confusing. We'll get into it. Also, Fallout 5, Fallout 3 in New Vegas remasters. Also a new obsidian fallout.

All of this stuff was announced. Maybe Bethesda will use an IP for the first time in, I don't know, over a decade, I think. Cool. I heard you're supposed to do that as a company. Yeah, I heard you're supposed to IP freely. Oh, I pressed the wrong one. What the? Oh, good, the foot cam is there.

I just got jump scared by my own feet. My feet are so touching the floor. The show is brought to you by Shocks, AMD, Squarespace, and Egg Split, alongside our rap partner D brand, our laptop partner, Razor, and our chair partner, who is also Razor. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic for the day, which is, of course, I actually forget which one we picked. InVidio CPU? Oh, yes. I want to talk about that.

Okay. So the original source here was actually some analysis from my old buddy, Mr. Ryan Shrout, who used to run PC perspective and then was working at Intel for a little while. And then now is kind of doing this whole, like, analyst thing. And so I was looking at his analysis. and he kind of laid out a bunch of the details that NVIDIA is providing about their new Vira CPUs. Vera is built on the Olympus core, which is Nvidia's first custom core. So while Grace was a custom designed CPU, it was a partnership between NVIDIA and Media Tech, the actual cores themselves were off the shelf pretty much arm cores.

It's a matter of laying them out. and figuring out all of your I.O. And how to integrate it into your bigger system. This time around, we're looking at a custom core. This is an Nvidia design from the ground up. And this is what gets me excited. It's 88 cores on a monolithic compute die running 176 threads using what Nvidia calls spatial multi-threading.

Okay. Where is he going with this? Yeah. Meanwhile, companies like AMD have upcoming Epic CPUs that are going to have as much as 256 Zen 6C cores. What could possibly make me excited about 88 cores on some ARMC CPU that is destined for the data center? You still don't know where I'm going with this? This is still the question I had. Wonderful. Okay.

What I'm excited about is. is that for the last 20 years, okay? Everything has been, okay, we'll give you some single-threaded improvements, but really what we're building is better power efficiency and better multi-core for the data center so that they can take all those cores and they can slice them all up into cloud instances

for all of their customers. Big, fat, fucking deal for my Counter-Strike Frame. rate. Invitya is coming in and going, no. What the market actually needs is big, strong cores, and not as many of them. Now, the reason is not one that's likely to excite you guys. The reason is that Nvidia is looking for huge performance uplifts in agentic AI. And right now, what the data centers, what the hyperscalers are running into is they've got these super, super expensive GPU farms, and for agentic workloads, you actually need a ton of CPU to coordinate work, or those GPU farms are sitting idle. And Nvidia's solution is, hey, we need not only a ton of CPU

cores, but we actually need an absolute but ton of performance per core. Now, why does this excite me as a gamer? Because again, this product is not for me. Vera is not for me. I'm getting there. Grace already made its way into a desktop PC in the form of the DGX Spark. True. The DGX Spark chip was repurposed, already announced coming in Q4, I think, NVIDIA announced, I forget, I forget the details, but coming this year, they already announced RTX Spark, which uses those same Grace CPU cores that were in the data center and then made their way to a workstation and then to a desktop and then to last.

laptops. I think we can draw a pretty straight line to Vera is going to be in the data center, is going to be in workstations, is going to be in desktops and laptops. And from what I saw at Computex, I mean, did you see the Nvidia demos? No. They were just like running Fortnite and like running Ellen Wake and like running the software that you would want to run on arm. It's what? It is nice that Qualcomm did this for everybody. Don't get yourself. Don't kid yourself. Invita is putting in the work too.

On the gaming side in particular. Like that was the first slide they brought up, at least for me. Was, hey, we have more gaming relationships than quite literally anybody. Quarcom did a lot of work on the gaming side. They did. I think they opened the door. I'm not saying Nvidia is not doing anything. That's not my point.

Depending on how far back you want to go. Invidia open the door first, actually. You want to talk Tegra too. Okay. Yeah, I know that's fair. It's clear that Qualcomm has been putting in a lot of work. That's very clear. But it's also clear that nobody but Nvidia has the weight to throw behind the major gaming studios and go, no, but actually you will support this.

Yeah. Period. I think that's valid. And so there I was, looking at real actual games that real actual gamers want to play, running on Arm. Now, with this custom core, Somebody, finally, after all these freaking years, is going, you know what would actually be pretty great if somebody made a CPU that had a more powerful core instead of more and more and more of them?

And so in response to your, excuse me, WTF, that's why I'm excited. And it still sounds like a lot of cores, but it's clearly not the primary, just going for just more cores is not the primary focus. Correct. Yeah. And when Nvidia does it, it's like Apple. It's like how I'm always... Industry follows.

Bmoaning when Apple does something horrible and applauding when Apple does something great, regardless of whether I'm going to buy the product, everybody else is going to do it. When Nvidia does it, everybody else is going to start looking at IPC. Everyone else is going to start looking at okay. Okay, can we boost clock speeds? Can we make a more powerful core? Because we've got to compete with that now.

So I'm really excited. Vera uses LPDDR5X memory with ECC and full telemetry, and VDNAVRVRVIR, so here's some bad news. This could mean that either we need to go like cam style memory on the desktop or we could be looking at soldered memory on the desktop. I know, right? But tell me something.

If you could get like a reel, like actually for the first time in many years, generational performance increase on your CPU, would you consider a motherboard with soldered memory on it? As of right now, no. Well, as of tomorrow then. I still feel like, I feel like there is a version of tomorrow

where the answer is yes. Like there's a way where I could see that happening. Cam would be a more ideal scenario. Cam is a lot more ideal. It's still a compromise, though. I was looking at so, oh, yeah, okay. I get, hold on. I just need to make sure that I'm not saying something

that I'm not supposed to, uh, no. Okay, well, I've been working on a review of a product that involves cam memory. Anyway, which is why I was looking more closely at the exact specs of it. And when I'm comparing it to other products that don't use cam style memory, it doesn't, it still doesn't run quite as fast as soldered memory. It just plain doesn't.

I don't actually know what the, answer to that is, but I have, I have multiple ideas and I'm very curious. Yeah, I don't know. So my reason for that is, what am I using the individual core performance for right now? Well, what I assume, what I assume you want to use it for is gaming. Right. But then I look at the games that I'm playing and it's like, we're a number of years off of this mattering. I'm on, that's, so that's where my current stance is. Why would I give up the, the, you know, the flexibility. The flexibility of memory being removable.

And the repairability of memory being removable. Easily removable. It is removable either way. But easily removable? Sure. Anything's removable if you pull hard enough. I'm not that guy, right? So like, it's not removable for me.

So be careful. So it's like, and I look at what I'm doing. Honestly, I've been playing less and less competitive multiplayer. It's just a cesspool out there. Ah, that might be part of it, to be honest. I do think there's just the ease of access to cheating is insane. The fact that I have received

YouTube ads for game cheats is just crazy. So it's... Well, you are Unk. You need all the help you can get. I wonder if they do target people that are in like their mid-30s plus because you know your gaming form is starting to decline

and if they're like, hmm, you know. Just take more peace. Unk bought 9,000. Just take $1.000. take one of these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so hear me out,

here's what, here's where I think we're going to land there. Because we know that the next cycle of consoles is going to be based on like current-ish CPU architectures now,

because it's just the way the development cycle works. So we're going to get, I think it's, I think it's planned to be Zen 4 or Zen 5. PS6, Zen 4 or 5,

what's it going to be? Blah, blah, blah. Oh, is heavily rumored to use Zen 6. So the best case scenario is that the PlayStation 6 uses Zen 6. Did I see PS5 before? Sorry, PS5 uses like Zen 2 or something like this. Zen 2, Zen 2, Zen 3.

I can't remember. The point is that PlayStation 6 apparently is heavily rumored to use AMD's Zen 6 architecture. So what that tells us is that we're not getting, you know, a paradigm shift in per core performance on the next line, on the next family of consoles. What that tells us is that every game developed for the next six, seven years after the PlayStation 6 launched, stop it, after the PlayStation 6 launches is going to be targeting modest CPU course. But the next one, assuming Nvidia is releasing Viren now, assuming that CPU companies have a two to three year development cycle that it will take them to catch up, that means more performance CPU cores

could be coming around PlayStation 7 time just in time for your early 40s you could be looking at okay it may be worth considering that I need more CPU performance on my desktop that would be the most sort of makes sense big picture timeline that I could put forward

for when it would actually matter and like really matter until then I think you'll see MotherBur board options with cam. I think you might even see desktop platforms that use soldered memory, but they might not feel necessary for if you're not trying to squeeze every last frame out. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know where I'll be at in that many years. I do know, like, looking at what's happening in the industry right now, it is a pretty

freaking big nerve, not being able to move your memory around. I have heard more and more. There was a panel at OpenSauce. It was building a PC in 2026. And there was a lot. It was a, when we were prepping for the panel, I was like. Were there veils? Yeah.

And, and handkerchiefs that everyone could get on their way in. There was a discord thread of the, of the panelists and the host, prepping for the panel. And my first post was like, I can just, like, cry in the corner if you want. Like, I don't know what you want us to cover. I think the panel ended up actually being pretty good. There was some repetition to it, though. But one of the things that was mentioned was just moving memory around

is like a thing that people are actually doing. Condensing, you know, you have maybe two systems. You condense the memory into one to get more capacity into one of them. Maybe you had one system that when RAM was really cheap, you're just like, I don't know, 64 gigs sounds pretty neat. I'll just get that. It's pretty cheap anyways. Now that maybe turns into two systems that are at 32.

because it's probably fine. Dude, I used to, on a semi-regular basis, back before we even had like a digital inventory system, I would write down. I actually have a notebook that has pages of me doing this in it. I would write down all of our inventory so that I could balance all of the specs across all of our various workstations in the company

and make sure that the people who needed things the most had the best stuff and that everyone else kind of got the hand-me-downs, and I was constantly balancing against the hardware that we needed to make our videos so that that would be free. Like back when we were in the Langley House, I would do that on a fairly regular basis. Yeah. And to your point. How now? I can't even move, like, DDR5 is the first generation that I can think of. I actually, there might have been something before, before, but it's the first generation I can think of where the registered dims have a completely

different notch. So literally, you cannot use them in the same motherboards as an unbuffered dim. On DDR4, you could, and there were certain platforms that would allow, like, ECC and unbuffered, and then, man, were there any that did registered and unbuffered? That I'm not sure. That I'd have to, like go and look up. But, but there's definitely less flexibility now, even in the socketed stuff than, than we had before. Yeah. So, like, I, that is a very significant, you know, damage to the value proposition of the

thing that you're buying, in my opinion, is you can't part it out as easily. You are, you are losing there. It feels kind of like the whole physical media thing. you buy a digital version. Yeah, you can play it just fine. While you have it, it will probably be okay. As long as you're using it for the thing you want to use it for, you're probably good.

But then once that's over, if someone bought a physical one, they can resell it or do something else with it. Memory is something that is, I mean, especially when I was kind of first getting into computers, people would always talk about how much memory you had. I remember when the first person I knew got one gig, it was like, whoa, that's crazy. A gigabyte?

Yeah. Like a billion bytes? It was wild. Incredible. I remember the first time, I think I've even told you the story before. The first time I ever saw one terabyte hard drive was at Pax. And someone stood up on top of a thing and held it up above their head. It was like, I bet you've never seen a terabyte before.

And everybody was like, whoa. It's crazy. Anyways, I'm freaking old. This is why I'm bad at video games. anyways um but yeah i don't know that that it that would seriously affect the the calculation being made on the value of the product and i could definitely see myself taking a slightly lower performance CPU if it came with memory that i could more easily remove um but i could also see myself in a situation where there's some form of linus gives you all your computers anyway so it'll use

whatever's in it. It's kind of fair. I was explaining that to someone recently. They asked like how much something cost and I was like, I don't know. And they're like, what do you mean? I was like, I don't like, I haven't built. I haven't bought the components from my own person computer in a very long time. And they're like, how, what do you mean?

You haven't refreshed in a while? I was like, no. I mean I haven't refreshed since high school. Like, you don't understand. That's what I peaked. Well, there was, I remember the last time I technically bought PC components was Intel retail extreme. Retail edge, but yes.

Retail edge, sure. And they had extreme additions. Yeah, they did. That's the one that went in the mineral oil tank. That's the last one I bought. Nice. Because even before we had our agreement thing, you had me with different parts, I think, so I could do like editing better at home or something.

Yeah, because it was sad what he was. was trying to edit on. It was out of pity. That system was getting a little old. All right, why don't we jump into another topic? You want to pick one? Yeah, where's this? I want to figure out more about this.

Where did it go? Oh no, I lost it. He lost it. He's lost it. Oh, no. Are we going to address the foot cam at all? Is it pretty self-explanatory? It's strange. I think people are going to see how much I fidget.

Microsoft introduces Xbox backwards compatibility program on PC for original Xbox games with more to come. We'll be available for purchase on PC via GamePass. This is one part that confuses me. Or for free, if you already have a console digital license. So I guess you log in with the same account and then you get access to it on the computer, which is actually, that's cool. That makes sense. Okay. The initial offerings are Blank.

The Time Sweeper. Okay. Conquer Live and Reloaded. Heard of that one. Crimson Sky's High Road to Revenge. And Fusion Frenzy! I love Fusion Frenzy. That's actually genuinely pretty exciting.

Especially if they... Man, if they had online multiplayer Fusion Frenzy, I would play the heck out of that. The part that confuses me is they will be available for purchase on PC via game pass. What does that mean? It means that...

Wait. Yeah, what does that mean? What does that mean? So if you have Game Pass, then you can buy it? But GamePass is like a rental thing. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's a comma, Luke. They'll be available for purchase on PC, available via GamePass, or free if you already

have a console digital license. Three options. Okay. That makes way more sense. Okay. Cool. So how much are they? Are they available?

When do they become available? I don't know. I want to see how much it'll cost me to buy Fusion Frenzy. Okay. So these are all, yeah, these are all like a, original Xbox games. Some outlets have said the experience is mostly good with some minor frame timing and jutter issues.

Dude, it's $2.49. Really? It's on sale, 75% off. Okay. For the next like six days. Included an essential game pass or you can buy it for two-fitty. Two-fitty. Can I play this multiplayer, not local?

Xbox local. single player shared split screen Xbox one is Okay well I could do the Because like I'm thinking on Steam Yeah You could just remote play Is that what Xbox play anywhere is?

Xbox Play Anywhere is? No Xbox Play Anywhere is playing Your Xbox games Streamed to something I will probably buy this Dugent Frenzy was a lot of fun And I only had the Trial Disc that came with some like magazine

I never even got to play like the whole game Okay, well, that answers our first discussion question. Which of these four games are you most likely to play? Oh, Fusion Frenzy for sure, and I will actually probably buy it. I remember one time I was at Microsoft hanging out for something. I don't remember what it was. And they had all the media people that were visiting, hanging out in this random room for a while while they did something.

And they had a bunch of Xbox's set up, and they had Fusion Frenzy in the machines. And I, like, that was one of the games that you could play. And I, like, recruited some random media people that were there to start playing Fusion Frenzy's set up. on one of them and people started watching and then people naturally started playing on the other Xbox and then the whole room and it just people playing Fusion Frenzy this like ancient game and people were having a lot of fun fusion frenzy is great cool I've never tried it it's like Xbox's take on like a Mario party oh okay yeah so like lots of mini games lots of mini games oh cool it's been forever since I've played it but I remember having a ton of fun they have like I mean the the thing on the box art uh there we're go. Yeah, that's not a great sales pitch, honestly. No, it's not. But it's like, it's like that, that like platform game. I don't know if they have it here. Oh, where you bump each other off?

Yeah, I don't know if one of these is actually going to show it. I thought it's right at the beginning there. Is that not, to the right, to the right? Everything you own in a box. Oh, no, that's something else. Okay. Some burgers or something. Yeah, sure. I mean, hamburgers makes sense. So again, I haven't played the actual, oh, 45 mini games. So this is a race thing. Yeah, 45 mini games. Yeah, sounds good, whatever. It was like, if I remember correctly, most people played it through the demo disc. Maybe that was their mistake. Making the game demo too good. It was actually like, there was a few different mini games.

There was enough mini games on it that you and your friends could like play Fusion Frenzy and then be done with it and it would be fine. It was a little bit too much. Way to go, guys. Our other discussion question is, do you think Xbox has a vision for the future? I feel like we go back and forth on this every freaking week because it's like there'll be some news will come out and you'll go like, okay, we're so back. And then some other news will come out

and we'll be like, they're doomed. Clearly they're just going to sell it or spin it off. And then the next week it's like, wait, they're actually doing really cool stuff. Can you handle this degree of whiplash, Luke? I mean, that's life right now. I think as much, like obviously layoffs are bad. I think that can be universally just been like, okay, layoffs are bad.

People losing jobs are bad. 14 layers of management, also unacceptable. Right. So like, they might also be on a really brutal timer. Right. They might not have a lot of runway to like figure this out. When you're doing layoffs at the scale that they're doing, you're going to end up, like, this isn't even like, oh, big brain. This is just very obvious.

You're going to end up taking people out that shouldn't have been removed. you're, you're going to have mistakes with a layoff of that scale. And that is very sad. Really good people trying to do really good things are going to lose their jobs over this. That's a, you know, that's a 14 layers of management failure, which sucks. But it feels like something that really needed to happen. Halo Infinite costing $800 million to make is just not okay. It's not a good enough game for that output.

they have to figure something out. They have these old, ancient, legendary studios outputting just like, I don't know, in Bethesda's case, practically nothing. Like something's got to give. When, oh man, I can barely even remember his name, Starfield. When Starfield came out, the conversation was largely around like, this game failed largely because of management failure. Like this stuff needed to get addressed.

there was conversations about like apparently Todd wasn't even happy about it because like it was structured where every single decision had to go through Todd and Todd was basically like this is nuts like I this isn't how Morrwind was made this isn't how oblivion was made a lot of writers and creatives in the in the creation of the game had more autonomy which is one of the reasons why those games can feel kind of disconnected sometimes you can be in an area doing something and it has like a certain kind of tone and feel and then you go on another quest. And it's like very different. This is like, it went from like, oh, spooky scary to like, this is kind of funny and whimsical. Yeah. I remember, I never was able to put my finger on it, but I remember that from oblivion. Yeah, oh yeah.

Where the, yeah. Big time in oblivion. I, I never, ever put my finger on exactly what I was noticing or even, and because I didn't do that, I never thought about thinking about why.

Old Elder Scrolls games. So much sense. The various developers around the company, I believe even Todd, would talk about like after the game came out, they would play it and discover things. Right. Like it was a lot of very strong contributors. And that's one of the reasons why they're able to make them so fast. The gap between Moro and Oblivion is really short. The gap between Oblivion and Skyrim isn't even really that long.

And then now we're looking at like just enormous gaps where like, I don't know, someone will have not been alive when Skyrim came out and be old enough to. enjoy the next game. Elder Scrolls Arena March 25th, 94. Daggerfall, September 20th, 96. Morro Wind. That was a pretty big gap. Six years.

Morwind was like the biggest map in a video game ever when it released. May 1st, 2002. Oblivion. March 20th, 2006. Only four years. then 2011

to Skyrim 2011 2011 and then crickets frickin' crickets dude it's

2026 bro it's been 15 years okay okay to put that in context to put that in context from the Elder Scrolls arena

to the Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim was 17 years since the Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim. It has been... It has almost been the entire

Darius... Fynearer Scroll series since we got another Elder Scrolls. Like, that doesn't work. I don't... Like, so something has to break. So some breakage there, as painful it is, as brutal as it is for the people losing their jobs, as especially brutal as it is

for the people that are really doing great work and are also losing their jobs. And as brutal as it is for the people staying behind. 100%. The, uh, level of demoralization has to be in And you have to try to figure out how to keep going on or else your job isn't going to continue to exist. And there's a lot of threat looming because there's another layoff coming soon. And you don't know that there won't be more because there's something is going to have to change for there to not be more.

But the management structure is there and I'm sure tons of other things are a problem. 14 layers of management doesn't work. When you're trying to do a creative process especially, oh my God. Way to get out the most bland vanilla starfield crap ever. that's how it's going to work but yeah it's it's interesting you watch you watch like I don't know how can you have

a lot of the generally quite serious tones of a lot of the elder scrolls games and then also have Shio Goraith in the world throwing cheese wheels at you for fun like it's it's because it's a creative soup someone had lunch with Phil Schaefer or something like that's the only possible explanation yeah and he was like

you know it would be funny Let's make a cheese dimension. Yeah, it's like, it's, I remember in Skyrim, I had, I had no idea this was coming. I think it was in Winterfell. You, you do like a drinking competition with some dude, and then you wake up and like everything is just mess. You like black out. And then you wake up and everything's just messed up.

And it turns out the drinking competition was with Chiogorath. And you have to uncover like what you did while you were blacked out. And it's just like, what just happened? It went from like Skyrim, I'm a dragon lord to like hang over the movie in the middle of the game. But it was like actually really fun and engaging in the story of it was really good. That was so great. And now it's, you know, what is the hue of this pot? I don't know.

Better talk to Todd. And that doesn't work and makes it take 17 trillion years to make another game. So yeah, something has to change at Xbox. it sounds like there's a lot of change. Change is really, really chaotic. I don't think we are even sort of close to the end of the painful chaotic change. And I hope they find a way out of it because there's a lot of really cool IPs there and a lot of really cool people working there, I'm sure.

You know what's really funny is we've had some painful chaotic change here lately. And I actually... There's a lot of that going around the world right now. I actually like gave an impromptu kind of talk to the writing team like, an hour ago where I was basically just like you I think actually said it better than I did so I kind of wish that I had said it better I don't even know what this is but but it was basically just like um you know you know am I stressed yes yeah super stressed um but there's a difference this is a this is a stress that is not an external stress. It's a like, it's kind of an, it's kind of a, like,

like, it's time to lock in and there's work to be done and it can be really exciting. And it's, it's, it's stress about, it's stress about like a new opportunity because, you know, I think, I think internally we have a lot of things that we do really well. And I think we have a lot of stuff that hasn't been working as well. And I think that some of the upheaval that we've had is going to force us to re-eval and do things differently. I've seen a growing sentiment over the last little while that the content is starting to feel more classic LTT.

And it's not because there's different people working on it. In a lot of cases, it's some of our oldest timers that are working on a lot of that content, but the processes are changing. And we're getting out of necessity slash out of because we're bored of being bored, we're getting scrappier again. I actually had a ton of fun today. Like Elijah, Elijah was here before the show and he was like exhausted because we shot all day. But we shot two LTTs today that were both just, just fun. Amazing. You know, I, it's actually so important. And I'm very happy. happy to hear that. Yeah. Like one of them, one of them doesn't sound fun. Elijah and I were having a

conversation and realized, separate from the video, that both of us needed a printer right now. Our reasons for needing a printer were completely different. So he's got a lot more like business administration that he's got to do because of his like streaming side hustle. And he needs a printer. And my kids are getting to like high school age and they need to surprisingly they still need to hand things in whether it's like putting things on a poster board or whether it's like handing in an assignment. They actually still need to hand stuff in on paper. More often than I've expected. And so we kind of went, is that a video? Is us going shopping for a printer? Is us? Honestly, yeah. Is us going printer shopping a video. And we made the decision and it turns out that was easy. Yeah, yeah, it's a video.

And so today, Elijah and I having done zero research, neither of us having bought a printer, so to give you context, Elijah hadn't bought a printer ever. And my current most up-to-date printer that I bought is made by Samsung. They haven't made printers in a minute, I think. So how long do you think a minute is? Don't look at the chat. Don't look at the chat. Don't look at the chat. not going to help you. No, no. So when I worked at Geekswad, they sold Samsung printers. So they definitely made them as of when would that have been?

2011, I think. So I'm going to guess that they stopped in 2015. You're actually super close. HP announced the acquisition of Samsung's printer business in 2016. Ooh, that was pretty good, actually. So it's been almost 10. 10 years since Samsung printers have even been a thing. And you definitely bought yours notably before they stopped being...

Oh, yeah, brother. I'm pretty sure yours was old by that time. It wasn't new. So, you know... Yeah. So we basically went in like, oh, yeah, well, you know... How about the eco-tank? Is that a good thing?

And it's really... It's really interesting, getting a more... That's actually got to be so much fun. Watching Alliance and Elijah go to a store and just trying to figure what the heck all the terms are on the label for a tech product actually sounds hilarious. And the most frustrating part is how many terms were not on the label. Like there's a part in the video where I'm like, see, see, this is why everybody's turning to AI. Because instead of having standardized labels that all have the same specs so that I can easily compare them, they all have the different things on them. One of them says how many pages per minute, and the next one over says whether it has a fax function or not.

Does this one have a fax function? How many pages a minute does that one do? I don't know. That wasn't easy. Okay. I'll ask the AI. And now I have to go and cross-check every- Verify everything it says.

Bloody stupid thing it says because I can't trust it at all. Especially the Google one. Well, especially the search integrated ones. They're all low-tier. It's very frustrating. And I actually also It was another shopping video Which was like they were both in the same place

So we shot a line of spiceyvon a phone As well And that was frustrating for a completely different reason How many options do you think there were for buying a printer? These days Like eight Oh dude I kid you not like 50

Whoa Tons You're in We're in staples Ah okay Tons Okay, we got your... You did say the whole easy button thing.

All right, yeah, yeah. We got your Epson. We got your HP. We got... Hey, come on up here. We got your brother. We got your inkjet. Are you including...

Got your toner, uh, deco tank. They got so many options. Multi-function. They got everything, man. Business grade, consumer grade. Do you want the free ink? Yeah, so, okay, I didn't... I was basically only thinking like consumer grade.

If that helps it at all. They got everything. They probably still had a way more than eight. They got everything. Okay. Okay. How many options do you think Yvonne had for phones? I don't shop for things.

No. Okay. Is she excluding any? She is not buying an iPhone again. Okay. So nothing on the iPhone side of things. We got to look probably a couple generations. 15.

You're not even close. But the other way this time. What? There was, and I kid you not, there was the S-25 FE. Okay. Their S-26 plus 26 Ultra. They had the flip and both of the new folds. So we're up to seven.

And then they had like the pixel 10A, 10 and 10 Pro. They had the flip and the two folds. Well, they were just installing them today. But not like a bazillion other things? Dude. There was like. That seems wild to me. absolute desert

of choice. Okay, you know what? You're actually really close. No, I forgot. There were two Motorola's as well. There was like two Motorola. So it was like there was like 12 phones. Okay, sure. So actually you're close. But I was just... Was that Staples again? No, that was Best Buy.

So like, where's the... You know, and I know LG doesn't make them anymore, right? But like, where's the LG? Where's the Sony? Where's the Asus R-O-G? And to be clear, I know those also don't exist. But like, wears the Xiaomi and real me. That's kind of your point, isn't it?

They're all kind of falling off. Everything's gone. One plus just left North American markets. No opo. No vivo. Experia is... Are they Japan exclusive now? I think you can get

like international ones shipped to you, but I don't think they're in retail stores in North America. Dan probably knows. This one that I have is the what, the six or something like that? It was available in America. There's an American variant.

The previous generation did not have a North American variant. Do you have that cool new one? Not the newest one. No, I just, I just upgraded this. I'm good with this one. But I still buy the Chinese variants because they have unlocked bootloader. They're locked in America. The Experia phones right now are like my favorite phones on paper if you don't include the price as a line of item and then you include the price as a line item and it's like, never mind. I got to go and prepare the other one for you. It's fine. I am so dumb. So anyway, I was just, like, I was, I was blown away.

Your options are pretty much pixel, iPhone, Samsung, or go fuck yourself. And the difference between those these days, I think, is also less than, like, ever before. So boring. Oh, Pete Kinetics. Okay, P Kinetics in the chat. It's like, I miss when HTC made good phones. Dude, I found an HTC1 mini in, like, my seat cushions the other day. Those were nice.

And I was like, man. Those felt good. Those felt really good. Yeah. Damn, that's nice. You know? Like, where are the freaking options, man? Yeah.

So, yeah, it was really disappointing. Oh, there was some phones from, like, best phone. That era plus or minus, like, three years. That were just incredible. I was a big droid turbo guy. I freaking loved the droid turbo with the ballistic nylon backing. Actually, you know what? Yeah.

They didn't have it at Best Buy today, so it wasn't an option for Yvonne's purchase, but Motorola has a really nice fold now. The razor, check out the backing material. I was looking at the backing material before I even felt it. It looks really sharp. I don't know if you guys... Which one? That one. Yeah, it's not that close.

I don't think they're going to be able to really see it. Yeah, they're not going to be able to see it. Really nice pattern. It feels great in the hand, actually. So I'm probably not going to daily that just because I just got my hands on this and then like immediately the the the z-fold eight arrived and I am very curious to see if I can get used to the form factor I actually shot the short circuit unboxing of it like right before I came down here yeah of just like a normal oh it's not normal I see it's like super wide and kind of short what did you call me right after I said it

the fuck did you just say to me? I said it and just stared at the phone and was like, we're gonna just move on. Oh my, oh yeah, that's kind of weird. One of these days, he will become the experienced on-camera personality that he was born to be and he will not hold the camera out of sight or the phone out of sight. Let me look at this real quick.

It's, uh... I'm dying. I was not born to be this. We shaped me into this weird amoeba. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a strange form factor. Okay, here's my eight pro, for example. Yeah. It's very short.

It's like very luke line of vibes. Right up to where the camera bump is. But then if I open it up, it's enormous. Yeah, flip, flip it 90 degrees. No, no. Oh, God. No, the other, you don't even. I'll wait. I can wait.

What, that's a hot, stop. Good enough. There you go. Now you can see the height difference. Okay, are you actually not going to hold it like that? There you go. There. I'm crying out loud like this. I thought I had already shown that, sorry.

No. So it's got, it's like the same. So I guess, yeah, you could turn it to the side? So I was, when I was shooting the short circuit, I was actually like, I was doing the thing where I list all the positives about it so that I can ultimately go yeah but like

come on and then I went and I held it like this and I went holy crap they might be onto something just like that da da da da da that that's big

you know and it's like and it's light it's only 201 grams it's very like holdable I think as don't quote me on this it's in the short circuit 46 or 4800 million pounds um that's a Samsung

I've gotten shockingly good battery life out of the fold 7 I've been extremely happy with it are they doing battery in each whatever you call it I don't know section actually not sure haven't done a tear down wouldn't surprise me if they did but I'm not sure Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. All yours for the low, low price of $2,500 US dollars for the one terabyte model. No longer interesting. Yeah, I didn't think so. Yep. 1,900 for the, I think it's a, is it the 256 or one, I think it's a 256. My old, my old 8 pro is still chuchin.

I am planning on probably doing a battery replacement because the battery on it at this point is brutal. It's, uh. Yeah, that's the 250. for yeah 1900 anyone want to pick a topic how did we end up on this

after Xbox backward compatibility this show is can't even sometimes we do be doing stuff who isn't going to be doing stuff is under 15s in France are not going to be social mediaing unless they find a very obvious way

around the law French lawmakers approved a bill on Tuesday banning social media access for children under 15 The measure must still pass the constitutional council before it can take effect. What's the right age for this kind of outright ban? That was pretty much all I had to say about it. I mean, I guess we could do the discussion topic.

It's interesting. I mean, I think we've kind of talked to this to death a little bit, but we can talk about the right age, I guess. I have no idea. Helpful. Yeah, I'm trying to think like, you know, what was, you know, like, what was my maturity level then? But the world was so different. Very, very, very different. Like, if you had told me at 15,

or if you told me at 14, that I'm not allowed to have my MSN messenger to talk to my friends, I'd been like, you're crazy. Yeah. Like, of course I should. And looking back at it, I don't think that was a problem. But the access to it.

Access to it was very different. Way more limited. Had to be on your desktop. And probably at that time, you had a single shared computer for the entire household. Yeah. So it was, yeah, it was a, it was a different time.

Yeah, I could see, I don't know, Crystal says under 13, I could, I could see that. I could see 13 as a, as a threshold. With that said, like 13 year olds are, no offense, 13 year olds, but like, they're not, they're not mentally mature yet, like at all. Yeah. And social media, I guess, for me, there's two. Social media tends to assume that everyone is an adult. There's two different conversations here, right?

I think there's one conversation around what should be the age limit of social media. And then I think there's almost a separate conversation about what should be the age limit of the like hyper tuned, hyper addictive hook you forever like monster that social media morphed into. Because I don't think there's any reason that a 13 year old couldn't have been on, say, what Facebook was in the early days. I would potentially even argue Discord now. Yeah, Discord is... Somewhat monitored Discord now, I think, is more similar to old social media platforms. Yeah. In that you are... The human connections.

You joined a Discord server with your buddies. It's kind of like having an MSN messenger from back in the day. Yeah. And so I don't see a problem with that. But, you know, when you talk about... Like, if one of my kids asked me, hey, can I install Instagram? I'd be like, no. or Twitter X, whatever.

Yeah, that's a hard no. TikTok. Hard no. Yeah. Those like infinite scrolling freaking billions of dollars spent in mind control type things is a different threshold. And it like feels weird being like, yeah, Discord's the good one. I think there are obviously, as we saw when Discord did some not cool things recently, there are other similar alternatives.

The line for me and the reason why I'm saying Discord is, is, yeah, it can be used poorly. You can end up on really bad communities on Discord. There was some stuff in the news recently of some really terrible things going through Discord. That's going to be true for everything. But I think in general, when used fairly appropriately, it'll be direct messaging with your friends,

very similar to MSN. Yep. And a potential, like, server thing that you could just have with your friends from school that should theoretically do a decent job of having some amount of wall in between just the whole open internet and this thing. And our rule with our kids is, hey, you're a miner. And the deal is if you're allowed to use a platform that enables you to communicate broadly with the world, we're allowed to look at it. And we'll tell you, we're going to come look at it and we'll do it together.

We're not going to snoop on you. There will be no cloak and daggering in this relationship. That's nice. That's cool. But that's the deal. Yeah. And some people might look at that and go helicopter parenting. Knock on wood.

My kids all seem like they're turning out really good so far, so no regrets. I'll stay in my little helicopter. You know, just like every single thing. If the kids are, I like that. That's amazing. Not even what a helicopter sounds like. Nope. That's fantastic.

Riding in the Linuscopter. If they really want to, if they're really motivated enough, they could just memorize the server ID and just leave it every time. Like there is, if the kids really want to, are super motivated, there will be a way around it. That's why I feel like with all of these laws too. It's like, yeah, okay, until I go on to like some realistic looking video game and make a character and then do some AI altering to the character and make it look like a, create a persona. and then create that digital persona online and now I'm an adult who's able to get onto these social media platforms. Like there are ways around it.

But I think even putting up a little bit of a barrier to try to dissuade and effectively communicate to parents, like, hey, this is dangerous for your kids, genuinely. I think can be a good thing. Glow says, as someone that was raised by the internet with no parental guidelines, thank you for watching out for them. All right.

Okay. Maybe I'll pick the next one here. Sure. Should we get all the Xbox stuff out of the way? Oh, you know what? No, I'm going to go with this one. The tariff saga continues, and I'm not talking about the most recent

retaliatory tariffs for wildfire smoke, which is wild. No, I'm talking about Nintendo. Filing a motion to dismiss the class action from gamers who say that Nintendo would be double-dipping by keeping its tariff refund after they passed tariff costs on two customers. Nintendo's argument, in its lawyer's words, is that buyers, this is a quote, received exactly what they bargained and paid for when they bought this price-hiked hardware,

and, this is another quote, plaintiffs are not entitled to a rebate simply because of intervening legal developments related to tariffs. In other words, Nintendo's version of events is the sticker said $499 for one Switch 2 please. You paid $499, we gave you a Switch 2. The deal is now done. The reason this is coming up is that Nintendo raised prices, actually on both the original Switch and Switch 2 accessories, citing tariffs. The Supreme Court struck those tariffs down in February. Nintendo sued the government for its own refund in March,

and then gamers filed the class action in April. Nintendo's filing argues that it has no legal duty to retroactively adjust prices on completed sales, saying, that's not how commercial transactions work. Game files Stephen Titillo was first to report the motion. Our discussion question is, Nintendo blamed tariffs for price increases, then they sued to get their tariff.

money back while telling customers a deal is a deal. Legally, they might be right. So why do some people feel that they are so wrong? And I, this is one of those ones. I think I both sides to this the last time we talked about it. And I'll let you talk first because, spoiler alert, I'm going to both sides it again. So get ready. Yeah, I mean, there are other costs involved as we talked about this last time.

Thanks, too. Um, it's not, like, I mean, there's even legal fees with them trying to sue the government to get their tariff money back. Like there's, there are other costs involved. It doesn't just magically evaporate like that. The tariffs are also going away. The tariff cost is being taken or refunded to Nintendo because the tariffs were found to be illegal. There's nothing illegal about Nintendo putting a $499 price tag on something and you paying it. That's, that's legal.

It's not necessarily nice That sucks Yeah No one's saying this doesn't suck It's just It's not illegal I think the people suing Nintendo Are going to lose

I mean Yes Yes they will Yeah But What about the moral question Morally speaking Do you think they're right

Should Nintendo pass The tariff refund back along I think part of it would be nice. I think if they could somehow figure out what a reasonable portion is, because again, there's... Turning L's into Ws. Sorry, I'm going to let you finish, but I have an idea that I will pitch to Nintendo free of charge

in a moment. Okay, cool. It's like, obviously, the legal fees involved with this cost something, pivoting the whole company, the amount of wasted time that they could have been doing other cool things, trying to figure out what is an appropriate rate that we can set it at with these literally constantly changing tariffs. What are, what are these countermeasures we can do to move manufacturing or do other things to dodge these tariffs? All of that has actually very substantial costs. So if you work that out and then figure out

how much is remaining in the increased pot, then you could. Okay, here's my pitch. Here's my pitch to Nintendo free of charge, okay? As a, as an act of, as an act of goodwill, you guys take your tariff refund, which is going to be all done out in public. Right? So everyone's going to know how much tariff refund you get. And you basically go, okay, here's the deal. Everyone who bought a Switch 2 or a, everyone who bought a Switch 2 so far, and everyone who bought a Switch 1 since, you know, some date gets $5 off a game over some amount in the Nintendo e-shop.

At the end of the day, it actually costs you nothing because you are incentivizing a purchase. so you will make money on the transaction. You could think of it as a marketing expense, and it's still an act of goodwill, realistically, you know, in terms of what class action settlements ultimately end up being, still giving something back to the entire Nintendo Switch customer base and Nintendo community.

It's a way to kind of be a good guy and spend the money that you got after the fact, but on something that ultimately benefits you and your customers. We take a big L, we turn it into a W, everybody wins. Yeah, I was also potentially thinking some like Nintendo Online Time or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, something like that could be cool.

Yeah, some kind of, some way to turn this crappy situation. Doing something for the customers makes sense. A full refund of the entire difference of the cost doesn't because Nintendo still incurred. a lot of cost trying to deal with this situation. But yeah, there's something, some form of making the lives better of the people who bought it at the inflated price would be really cool. I mean, I don't even know if it has to be, because, okay, because if you make it the people who specifically bought at the inflated cost, then that's basically, that's setting a really

dangerous precedent for Nintendo. Because now all of a sudden you are opening the door to the conversation. of like, you know, if there's ever, like, like, if, if Nintendo gets a rebate from their, their battery OEM, like, is everybody going to get, is everybody who bought a switch going to get a refund? Like, come on. Ben, it comes back down to what you were kind of saying, though, the tariffs were illegal tariffs. Um, and they said that they raised the price specifically for that. So did they raise the price because of an illegal activity from their battery manufacturer that they get and got refunded for? We'd never know. That's true. Maybe. Maybe. we would never know that, right? So they're setting like a really weird precedent if they go and alter the deal after the fact. Whereas if they just say, hey, here's a windfall, we love our Switch community,

so very huggy-muggy much, here's something. Then I think that defuses a lot of the anger and maybe even goes more broadly than just the people who, you know, paid more than they would have liked for a game console. Yeah, I think that's cool. And look, I'm not saying, you know, $5 is...

It's also logistical. absolute freaking nightmare. Which would be clear? Which one? Gift cards? Refunding. Oh, that, yeah. That's insane.

Yeah, whereas like running a promo basically saying, yeah, for the next week. I bought my switch from Willow. Let's say I bought it during the tariff increase. You think Nintendo's going to specifically talk with Willow to get in contact with me to give me money back? Like how any of this happens, I don't even know. Yeah. There's probably a simpler way. they could set up some site and you can try to like submit a receipt or something and then they have to do like

OCR stuff on figuring out if the receipt is legitimate and ain't any of that happening yeah probably not so I like the idea of the the something I think that's pretty cool um e shop gift card free Nintendo online something like that would be pretty sweet all right speaking of online shops don't they do this all the time with rebates no because the ones you're thinking of of is a rebate that you get on the purchase of the product. So you would get some form of information that you then submit in order to get a rebate back. This is retroactive. Yep.

So it would not. So we weren't planning ahead for it this time. Yes. Which is actually a huge problem in this case. They're finally here. The last socks you'll ever want to buy. The LTT forever socks. Oh, dang it.

It moved right as I tried to click. Available in, well, sort of available. some of the colors are already, man, we, one of these days, we're going to nail our forecasting, but it is not this day. The point is, on the, is this the US site? Yeah, on the US site, we still have one color and one size, and I think the global site still has, yes, the global site actually still has pretty decent socks, stock socks, stock, stock. They're pretty decent socks.

Sox, stock. The Forever Sock is finally freaking here. After six years, we have dropped our much-anticipated Forever Sock. We obsessed over everything. From the premium marino wool blend to the copper-infused odor control to the reinforced heel and toe construction. The result, a long-lasting sock that I think is the last socks you'll want to wear. And yes, we are even backing them with our limited lifetime warranty. So my notes here say,

Go make your feet happy at LMG slash Forever Sock And then it says note, High Chance US site will be sold out by 4P... Oh, okay, well, that was a while ago. Cool. But the global site. Global site still has stock and... USA still has smalls, I think.

Our Forever Sock is a great opportunity for you guys to send in a checkout message. We, on the WAN show, believe that if you're going to throw money at your screen, at live streamers, that you should get something great in return for that money. So we don't do Twitch bits, we don't do super chats. What we do is comms, a checkout message. All you got to do to send one is while we're streaming,

head over to LTTStore.com, add something to your cart, and you will see in the checkout one of these. You click this button and you can type a message, you can change the color, you can decide whether to display your name or not display your name, and then all you got to do is go to the checkout and your message will go to producer dan there he is who will i don't know pop it up here or he'll reply to it or he might curate it for me and luke to respond to so producer dan do you want to show the folks what that might look like when you curate a message yeah i've got a bunch here the first one here is actually about the socks so that works great that makes sense hope you're swell d l can you explain how you choose skews for your first items for your items why three color ways and not two styles for socks it feels like variety should beat out colors to my novice noggin that is a great great question

we do our best we actually we we actually like agonize over this kind of thing you're you're yeah go ahead just genuinely trying to predict the future yeah and in a lot of because you're trying to predict the future of what colors people want. You're trying to predict the future of what sizes people want. And you're trying to predict the future of that in different geographical locations, because now we have two stores. What styles they want to? So we were going to launch with a half crew,

and then we ultimately made the decision to launch with a full crew because we kind of figured, okay, well, the trend right now is that, you know, kind of like how hemlines rise, and fall with trends. Sock heights rise and fall with trends. Ankle socks are out and longer socks are trending back. So we wanted to get out ahead of that. This is where I'm, this is probably the thing I am most unc about. I can't do it. Which? The tall socks. Oh, you can't do it. It drives me crazy. You're an ankle sock guy.

Oh yeah. But literally always. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. I have never once liked, like, even when I'm trying to go like as warm as possible, a snow boot. You'll wear an ankle sock in a snowboard boot. I believe I have done so. That's insane. Okay, so we can safely ignore him. Yeah. You know what's funny is five years ago, I was the unc guy because ankle socks were in and I was wearing full cruise. And you like the tall socks, yeah. Yeah. So that was another thing that shifted us towards the full crew for the launch. And so, so right, so in response, why not two styles? instead of three colors.

So for one thing, two styles in two colors would have been four lines, which would have been 33% more. So four doesn't sound like a lot more than three, except that four is 33% more, and already with the three, we have three sizes times three colors, so that's nine, times two locations,

so that is 18 discrete bins somewhere in order to have a sock. If we had gone with two colors in two styles, that would have been, what number did I just say? 18? So it would have been 33% more, so it would have been another six. It would have been 24.

It's insane. It scales really, really fast. How many excuses you guys have? It's thousands. I don't know. Yeah, I know it's thousands. Yes, it's thousands. It's thousands.

I literally don't know exactly how many it is. I can check if you can. No, no, no. I'd rather not know. It doesn't matter. You do not want to know. Yeah, rather not know. Ben Bob says, why not Xcel size?

because we didn't. We had to start somewhere. This was our first foray into Sox. We were pretty bullish on this. Clearly, we were not bullish enough. We did not order enough. But we will order more. And when we do so, you can expect that we are going to be looking at over the next little while, hey, do we do a half crew? Do we do an ankle? Do we do expanded sizing? Because to say that the launch has been successful would be an understanding. one of the things that we struggle with though and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be real with you guys right now is maintaining momentum on our products we will have these like amazing product launches and we'll sell you know a few socks yeah in a day and then a couple months later the the buzz is kind of like died down and we really struggle we're doing better we're at like to be clear we're doing better at it and we're always improving but we kind of struggle with the ongoing marketing of our products. There is... Yeah. Yeah. And... I'll go. I do think sometimes it's...

We make such a varied set of things. Oh, we do. Minus lead development. It's actually, they're getting better about that, too. The fashion team is really putting a lot of pressure on me to have a cohesive, you know, product roadmap, rather than just like... Like, okay, okay, I was in the middle of the meeting.

where they're literally going through the fall winter 27 plan with me, like to give you some idea how far out ahead they are on this stuff because they're like organized, real, like, organized people. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I just had a brainstorm. Okay, can we do a t-shirt that just has like a pie symbol and then like a picture of a rat? Because I think our audience would just freaking love that.

And they're like, yeah, well, yeah, we'll put it in the pile. So you got to have a balance of both. to have just like the creative dragon energy and then you've also got to have the like the structure um and so so what you're seeing here is creative dragon energy hey we need to make this thing and like here's all the like cool stuff it should have and this is it's going to be awesome and then it's like okay we need to start somewhere so here's how we pair down the offerings to something reasonable and and here's how we kind of like go to market and then expand it but then where luke is going with this is like okay as we take that slow and steady approach in the background how exactly

is it that you can tell what kind of store this is. Well, okay, here's my question. Yeah. Without the banner. How did I not wear that shirt for the video? Anyway, go ahead. Without this banner. Let's pretend this banner is not in rotation.

Let's go forward. A few weeks, a couple months, whatever. Wear the socks. They are under apparel. Nope. Really? Ooh, okay. Well, um, okay.

I'll ask for that to be moved. we make so many different things that sometimes the categorization of stuff gets kind of weird like if I go under tools and I click on screwdrivers oh it has improved someone listened to me thank you very much

but it's sometimes finding stuff on the store is like kind of hard and part of that is because we just make so much stuff I don't know that many stores other than like a freaking, I don't know, Target that sells like some of the variety of different things that we have.

We have apparel, both tops, bottoms, loungewear, underwear, jackets, vests, hats, everything you can imagine for apparel. We have screwdrivers. We have tape. We have bit cases. We have bits. We have cables. We have cable management.

We have thermal pads. We have hand slider things for mouse pads. We have cable. management of key chains, pins, stickers, toys. You haven't even mentioned water bottles. Pet caves, water bottles, desk pads, stationary? What is happening? Well, it doesn't move.

And it just, it just keeps going. So it's difficult to, I sympathize with the problem, but it's difficult to, like, kind of decide where things are going to go and make them discoverable. But also, some people don't necessarily realize that these are clickable things that are categories. So like it's The whole thing It's all very tough

See like backpacks is like that right now There's no subcategory for backpacks It's just the backpacks category But then like screwdriver There's screwdrivers But then position and ratcheting And For what it's worth

It's so hard Don't take this the wrong way The team that works on the website We know that it's a difficult challenge Yes And no matter what we do, it's not going to be perfect. It's a very difficult problem to solve when you have this many different things. I mean, I think of what I'm discovering is like as much as like, like, remember when, like,

ASUS would get all but hurt when we would say, when we would just call their ROG monitor and ASUS monitor. And we'd be like, oh my God, just relax. You're ASUS. you make ROG, just chill, right? It's because they make so many things. They need their categorization. I'm beginning to understand why you need sub brands. It's, it's, this is a big part, this problem is a big part of the reason why I gave so much props

to the Forever Sock name and the true spec name is because giving them something more searchable like that is like helpful. The search on the store is starting to become significantly more important. Right. because like just finding things is tough. Simpleton says, I did not realize the title was of the categories that were like clickable. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. So if that's true, how do you find a backpack? So it's like, it's, oh, so I,

I'm very interested in, I was talking to turn about this the other day, having, um, like mouse behavior stuff on the site. I'm trying to figure out, like how, yeah, how people actually use the site. Because I'm interested in what people click on.

And I wonder like how much of that like recency bias in product releasement for sale. Releasment. In product releases for sales is the banner. Because the banner is really effective at, you know, getting something out in front of you. The shop products down here, these, these categories, it all looks nice. Like the store looks great. But there's just so many different things.

If we just sold t-shirts, it would be fine. But we don't. We also sell everything. So it's like where do we put all this stuff? Cable management. Yeah. Yeah. Pens.

We're pens. They're cool pens. Accessories? Nope. Home and decor? Maybe stationary. You also do accessories for the screwdriver, like grip tape. Extensions.

There we go. There we go. Floppy disk notebook, notebook, and also. Children's toys? mechanical pencil and pen. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot about the children's toys. Books?

Home of decor. All right, all right, Dan. We get it. We get it. Decor? What do we have under decor? Okay, we need to just blow those away. There's eight left.

There's eight small ones left. Can you guys do me a favor and just buy those, please? That would be great. Then we could get it off the site. Yeah, then we can reprint them. No, we're not reprinting them. What are the reviews on this? People left reviews on this?

This has five stars. Dude, it's all five stars. This product is perfect. What the, go away. We'll likely get sticker bombed. I just wanted something to fill some space on my wall. Once again, LTT delivered with this masterpiece. It's a damn good print.

Creator Warehouse seems to only be able to deliver at 110%. I can't wait to see what new products are released. Absolutely beautiful accent to my drab room. It really should have looked at the specs. Thought the print would be way larger, but that's my fault for not paying attention. I will apply a thick epoxy coat the same way I coat my stickers, and other print-based decor.

Huh? I don't know what that means. Me neither. Was that one calm? Yes. Okay, hit me, Dan. We're on one today. You're still doing good for time.

Okay. Dear Lina. What would you change about the Canadian school system as a father and company founder? As the principal of a German primary school, I always enjoy looking beyond my own system. Cheers. Are you trying to get me in trouble? I feel like you're trying to get me in trouble. How do you in trouble?

I plead the fear. Because I'm going to, like, there's no way that I'm going to be able to talk about the school system without there being a bunch of hot takes. Nice. Like, I, I've probably got already in my mind. I've probably already got three things that could get me canceled. Oh. So first of all, bring back letter grades at every stage. They got rid of letter grades?

What is it? Yeah. You guys don't know about this? No. No, we're old. We're both childless dungeon nerds. One terabyte hard drive was cool. I mean, right.

Now I have that in RAM. Oh, my God, do you? I don't have a house. I just have the RAM. So, yeah, so grades are done from emerging to developing to proficient to extending. That's how grading is done up until I, it depends on the school, the exact school and the exact school district. But in the province of British Columbia, that's been the guidance for quite some time now, as long as my kids have been in school. I don't like it.

So, so it's like, kids are wrong. It's all graded out of five instead of a hundred? It's also the kids' fault, even though it's my generation. I blame the children. So you don't get, you don't get, you don't get a letter grade. You just get this, like, you get this word that describes your, your mastery of the material. And the way that it was defended, I remember reading what to me. And again, this is, take this for my ignorant boomer, take that it.

it is. Maybe they're right. Maybe it's a better system. I am not a professional studier of this, but to me, I read what seemed like pretty much the most asinine possible defense of this system from some minister of something or some big wig of some sort in the newspaper, to give you some idea how long ago I was reading about this. And basically, they were like, this system is designed to facilitate communication. between the school and the parents to really give them an idea of how their kids are doing.

And I'm like, that's what the fucking letter grade was for. I could actually see kind of both views in combination because I could see one being a trend line and one being the state. Or how do you do like GPA? Everybody's like, I have a 4.0 GPA. Like I got exemplaries. Luke, that's why we had work.

That's why we had like the effort grade. Oh, okay. So they were, when I was in, elementary school we had two grades for every subject we had your your your like your score on your assignments grade a bcc or a bc plus c and c minus and then like uh like like a basically i forget what it was like incomplete or something like we didn't have f's already they already we'd done away with fs because fs are bad um and then we also had uh a g s n so good satisfactory and needs improvement for like your effort and your attitude.

So we like already had that. I don't remember if that was a thing for me or not. My elementary school was also kind of weird. So I'm just, so anyway, so yeah, first thing I would do is I would say, hey, why don't we just, why don't we just keep giving everyone a letter? Because everybody just boils this new system down to letters anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

And then we just have a more granular system where within the letter you also have an exact number. Okay. Yay. We already had that. Cool. Wonderful. Number two. And this is one that's probably going to get me into a lot more trouble.

But the BCTF is way too powerful. BC Teacher Foundation. Federation. Federation. The union. I was guessing. I had terrible teachers. I had really good teachers.

but I also had terrible teachers and when you could get the good teachers you know talking and you know building rapport like I had some of my teachers I was not inappropriately but like I was I was pretty close to

I was yeah me too like I there were a couple of my teachers that I hung out with after I graduated and like you know went to see and talk with and say how are you doing here's how we're doing and that was cool it was like not weird like it was cool

and you know when you get them talking they are as frustrated as anyone that terrible terrible teachers are stuck in the system and instead of being able to fire them because the union is so powerful they just end up getting shuffled around from school to school or worst case from district to district and you can't get rid of them you can't drain the sludge and at the same time you've got new freshly trained like freshly out of school with all the latest educational methods freshly educated want to teach they're so excited to teach young minds and they can't get a freaking job because you've got this dead weight in the system

that quite frankly shouldn't be anywhere near our our most valuable resource as a country like if we're looking at it from from like a very macro standpoint you know every every hour of a

student's time in the classroom that is wasted is such a, such a squandering of the most important part of that person's young life that is laying the foundation of the rest of their time here on this earth. And I, it offends me. There, period. It offends me. And this is one of those ones. That's a tough conversation because I am not against worker protections, either. An abusive employer should should not exist. And unfortunately, that's why we have collective bargaining

because the time before collective bargaining was bad. That was bad. That was not a good, that was not a good solution. In the case of the BCTF, not a fan. To be clear, I've been out of the school system for a long time,

but I have had kids in the school system much more recently than that, and I have certainly encountered similar issues. So I'm not convinced that it has been meaningfully changed. The other thing,

the last thing, and this one's probably the least. Andre B says the big positive of the BCTF is the fighting they do for class size and composition limits. That is absolutely true.

Yeah, he's not against all of it. I don't think there's been any point in my life where I thought the level of tenure protections that they have there makes sense. And I thought that when I was in high school.

Yeah. But I also thought in high school that some of the class sizes were a little freaking silly. So, I don't know. There can be good and bad things about a department. Aquarius babe says,

me cracking up, went to the same school as Linus, and there were some horrible teachers. One was shuffled around and ended up setting fire to the science room at the new school. I did hear about that. And this is one of those things

where, you know, someone's all mad at me, anti-union rhetoric again. Get over it. No system is perfect. Every system has flaws. Yes, even that one. And I've been up close and personal with some of the flaws of this specific organization

in this specific region, which, by the way, you probably know nothing about. Get over it. I'm not saying this broadly, and I'm not saying that they shouldn't exist. He literally also said that they do good stuff as well. Absolutely. but not everything about it generates a positive outcome.

And if you cannot handle that, then your view is probably too narrow. I'm sorry. You got to broaden your view. What's your last point? Last point is I think that we focus too much on peer academics. Yeah. I think that in our desperation to make sure that nobody gets left behind,

we actually hold back the brightest pupils when it comes to academics, and we end up completely wasting the time of people that don't need to be able to do advanced algebra. That where it will literally never come up. Maybe there's something else that might help them a lot more. This is, I think this question came from, came from someone in the German program. I remember when I was in high school, I took German, and we would learn different things about Germany.

I remember hearing about, I'm going to screw up a lot of these details, but I remember hearing about some of the details of how the German school system works, where once you're at some grade, I don't remember which one. I remember thinking that it was like either really early high school

or like kind of middle school. Just switch to a vocational stream. You would pick a road. And I remember thinking like, man, that's cool. And I remember hearing some of the other kids in the class pushing back being like, I don't know what I want to do. yet. But in my mind, I was like, damn, dude, I do. Like, if I could go down a path that was more

tailored for that, like, my God, I would love that. It's also tailored to your skill level, you know? And to be clear, some schools, some schools actually do a pretty good job of these types of programs. Like, my school wasn't perfect, like to, to, I forget their username, but to their point, there were, there were some really, really bad teachers in our school. And, but there were all some really cool programs. We had an incredible automotive shop, very well equipped, and we would actually work on people's cars. And so in much the same way that you'll have like a student dentistry at like the university or whatever. And like the high school students were learning real, real mechanic skills in high school. That is very cool. strongly support that. All that I know about, you know, changing oil and doing alignment and anything to do with cars was the one term I took of it. And I was like, okay, this isn't for me, which is good for me to know.

But we were, like, we were learning real shit. Yeah. And the theory. And it was freaking awesome. And the people who enjoyed that stream loved it. And were bored senseless in English class. Yeah. To be clear, I'm not saying that people should graduate high school without being able to read.

a book. I think you need certain minimums. I think you should take a certain minimum of math so you don't just get scammed for the rest of your life. I think you should take certain minimums. But that math should be focused. It should be focused on like how to how to run a small business. Sure. That would be awesome. Like dude, I went all the way through to math 12 and I still don't know what practical application there was for most of what I learned. Yeah. Well, there isn't. And so unless you go down a like if you if you go down and If you go on something else, there absolutely is. But if you're...

Sure, but what percentage of the population is that? But you do... I understand wanting to cultivate more people into STEM and all the hands of stuff. But if you're just forcing people down the line and they know they don't want to go that road anyways... And they don't want to be there. Yeah. And they're just going to fail out or struggle and just be pissed off anyways. I think allowing them to go do something else is totally fine.

That being said, I don't think math 12 is required. No, math 12 is not required. Yeah. But you have to do up to, I think it's like 10 essentials or... something like that or nine, nine essentials. I thought you even had to do 11, but... That may be true. I don't remember the rules anymore.

I don't remember either, and it's probably changed by now. It's been a minute, but basically what happened was, and this was true at the time, was you had to reach a certain level of math, according to the grade level attached to it. So what they did was they created different levels of the class, and I forget what it was, if it was nine or 10 or 11, but there was like, there was principals, which was the mainstream one. Oh. There was enriched at our school anyway. There was, I believe, enriched, which was the more like university prep one.

And then there was essentials, which was basically, from my understanding, it was grade eight math. But like, you're taking it in grade 10 or grade 11 or whenever it was. And as long as it had that number on it, then like, we taught them grade 11 math. But you didn't. So what are we even, what are we even all doing here? What are we even talking about? But then again, if it's a business level thing or like a taxes or, you know, how to not get bamboozled. No, it was just lower level math.

Yeah, that's a little sad. But I can definitely understand like, okay, you know what? I'm in X course. I don't care about the English. Your example that you just gave was automotive. I don't care about English now. Okay. Well, you're going to need to write sometimes.

It's just a fact of life. So we'll get you to a certain point where you can write coherently and you know you should be able to prove that you can do an essay so you can kind of bundle your thoughts and and form an argument So that if if you know if your automotive shop that you end up having ever gets in like legal trouble or something You can organize your thoughts and defend your case Cool. You don't need English 12 for that But but we'll get you to like some functional level sweet. I like the idea of at least getting people to these functional levels in a variety of different areas And the other thing that, you know, the best argument I think I could even give for why we should change.

Because I could see some people hearing, you know, what I say. I'm actually pretty passionate about education in general. It's really funny. We had that exclusive on float plane last week. And people were like, whoa, why is the really good swimming teacher? It's like, yeah, because I've basically spent. my whole life teaching people stuff in one form or another, whether it's about computers or aquatic exercise or painting houses or whatever. I've functionally always been a trainer or teacher

in some form. It's something that I get joy from. It's something that I legitimately actually enjoy. And the best argument I can give for why we need to change this is not that, you know, I'm some elitist who's like, oh, yeah, only, you know, the smart kids deserve a chance or whatever. No, it's about giving everybody their best possible chance, and the current system is not working. Like, every, every year, there's a fresh batch of articles with college professors lamenting the fact that kids are arriving at university in college and don't know how to read. And it's like, rubber stamping, everybody through this system is clearly not working. I think also, like, and this seems to be a very,

fairly obvious thing in like almost every realm, but like real feedback. So you can not, and not, you know, mean punitive feedback, but real feedback can be really useful for people to try to kind of shape things. You might want to know if you're kind of capable of going down a certain path, right? Or maybe you're capable, but how difficult will it be for you? and if something else feels natural and you're getting good responses, your grades are going well,

whatever, that might be a good path for you to follow. But some of these courses that I'm hearing where people can't read when they get into it are like, yeah, maybe you should have known this wasn't going to work out for you before you got a massive student loan

and packed your whole life of, this is what I'm saying. Like it feels like we're not only not, necessarily setting them up for success, but then how the whole student loan system works and how important that part of your life is for setting up your future, you're not just not setting them up for success. You are specifically also setting them up for failure. I think both things are happening. I am starting to get very curious who exactly Aquarius Babe 86 is. The 86 would seem to indicate not only we went to the same school, but we were the same age. And you say metal art and jewelry

was one of my favorite it turned into one of my hobbies. Did we take metal art and jewelry together?

Shout out Mr. Russell. Or was it I think Sowerby taught mine. Anyway. Shout out Mr. Sowerby too. Anyway.

You done with the merch question? Excuse me? Excuse me? What did you just call it? So I want to do

the support topics? What did you just call it? Merch question. Excuse me? I heard the question. What was it? There was a word he said that I don't understand. Question.

The product question. That's not even what it's called either. Well, it's not called that. Okay. No, no. Are you done with the comp? Yes, I'm done. Okay.

How about some more topics? Sure. You want to pick one? Should we do the LG one? Sure. Sure. Yeah. LG abuses.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. the person in floatplane chat is upset. They did not say I was spewing anti-union rhetoric. They were saying a lot of comments on float plane were. Okay. All right, all right, all right. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I assumed, because you did not address anybody, that you were talking about what I was talking about. And I'm really, I'm not trying to be anti it. There's really good things about it. It's just that I've seen bad outcomes up close, both through my involvement with one, back when I was teaching swimming and when I was a lifeguard

and through especially hearing my parents talk about it my parents are both teachers and it's it's really frustrating for your star team members when the losers get paid the same

and you can't get rid of them it's so demoralizing anyway okay let's carry on Aquarius babe responded LOL wouldn't expect Lainis to remember me I was a student aide for his grade eight computer class

I only had computers for a third of a term I really don't remember that all right well was worth a shot yeah okay carry on LG abuses Windows Update driver install to push McAfee

after numerous user complaints on the LG OLED subreddit a gamer Nexus investigation found that LG has been taking advantage of a Windows feature that allows a hardware support app. In this case, the LG Monitor app installer, yikes. Wow. To be automatically and silently installed alongside the device drivers when a new device is plugged into Windows 11 machine and drivers are automatically installed via Windows update. That blows. These hardware support apps are apparently granted significant privacy breaking permissions without any form of user

consent or even notice. Why does Windows suck so much? Oh my God. In this case, the LG Monitor app, among other things, shows large pop-up ads for trials of McAfee Antivirus. Some users report that this has been happening since 2024. Since this came to light, Microsoft stepped in, and Windows chief Pavon told the verge that LG has agreed to immediately disable the McCaffee pop-up.

and pledge that Microsoft will keep improving here with our ecosystem partners. No, I think you just need to change the rules on that one. LG attempted to defend their behavior with an uncredited statement to Windows latest. LG Electronics reiterates that McCaffey is not installed automatically. It is never installed without users' explicit consent. the LG Monitor App installer is distributed through Microsoft's official Windows distribution process, which included McCaffey as an option. Yeah, we know.

That's the problem. McCaffy will be installed only if a user actively chooses to proceed with the installation and provides consent. Under no circumstances, is McCaffey installed automatically or without user authorization. The LG Monitor app installer does not access, collect, or transmit any user. I don't want you to tell me that. I want it to not be possible. To be clear, I like drivers automatically appearing. So I'm actually just, I'm going to push back on just that part.

I like the idea of that I plug something in and it just works. What I don't like is when it's allowed to have a parasitic payload. That's my point. Yeah. Well, no, no, I just, I just want to be really clear that I, that if there is a monitor, like, driver that I need so that I can use a hot key to change my bright. or like whatever, right? Like if there's something

that enhances the user experience, yay. McAfee prompt? No. Yeah. And also, to Looves point, that shouldn't be possible. What are the,

what are the punitive measures that someone like a Microsoft could take if somebody does this? Like, let's get creative here. What can Microsoft do to police this? Make it so that violations have a huge cost. How could they enforce that?

What do you mean? Okay, you send MSI a bill for a million dollars. What makes them, or MSI, excuse me, no, LG. You send LG a bill for $1 million. Why would they pay it? Stop supporting their devices.

That will hurt them more than we does. That will hurt the customer, though. I don't think any solution should hurt the customer. I would stop supporting their devices in this way, and I would give the, users a flag, some type of notification that's like LG was found to be distributing what is arguably malware. In order to get driver updates, please follow this manual process and then link them to some documentation. But then would that, I mean, in order to get LG drivers, presumably they would have to be linking them to an LG source.

How would Microsoft then ensure that that LG source does not include a McAfee installer? So how exactly, is this Windows update that it goes through? It's not, right? Yeah, it goes through Windows Update, I believe. It happens silently in the background, though. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think that's still worth it, because at least you're flagging to the user

that LG was like abusing systems and is not cool. Charge nuclear hack goes, ha, ha, ha, Launas thinks they care about the customer. I didn't say that. What I said was, the solution should not harm the customer. That's what I said. I didn't say that anyone agreed with me. I just said that I feel that. Yeah.

Mind Paradox says, how about a check that we must be notified before software is installed and only if we actively say yes to install it. Okay, okay, counterpoint, counterpoint, users will often, to their own detriment, put off installing updates. I mean, that's a huge part of why,

actually, you know, it's fun. We just did a Windows tier list. We shot it earlier this week. and we were we were we made a joke about the first windows that introduced automatic updating and talked about how it's hey yeah so microsoft can break your computer every patch tuesday but also here's why it was necessary because in especially the early days of connected devices and and the broader internet just kind of coming online people not updating their shiz was a big problem it was a huge huge, huge vector. And any vector that the user refuses to patch is by definition an unpatched vector, right? So automatic updates, I think in the modern world, I don't think you can get away from that. I don't think I would advocate for that.

And if you give the user a choice, they're going to dismiss it, some number of times out of 10. Okay, let's see if anybody else has any good ideas. I don't think you have to force automatic updates. I think you could make it up to the user. But then the more compromised devices there are, the worse everything is for everybody. More zombie devices is bad. Yeah, but I should still be able to control my system.

Like in Linux, I mean, we're pushing everyone to go to Linux. You can do where the hell you want. You can. I don't think either of my systems are running automatic updates. I just also update them. I also find updating in Linux to be like fun and rewarding and updating in Windows to be horrible and slow and not rewarding and scary. And just generally bad.

So like there are very different experiences. The Linux one is really fast for some reason, really fast. And then Windows one will genuinely take very long often. So what would your solution be if we didn't force people to update? Because I think part of the reason it works so well for Linux is that Linux people generally skew more text savvy. I think I would be okay with it just being an opt-out. Can you do that on Windows update? Not forever.

Eventually it will force you to install, especially security updates. And so like what would be if Linux went more normie? Because there's a selection bias in the people who are running these operating systems. So I would actually agree with you that right now the approach on most mainstream Linux distros is not a problem because of he's using them. But we are hoping that that kind of fades over time. Exactly. So let's imagine that it does happen. Linux to be forcing automatic updates now?

So, well, no, what I'm asking you is what's your solution then? Because I think everyone, I hope, pretty much agrees that a massive army of unpatched devices is super, super mega bad. And I think you guys know from administering even a very tech savvy company that people will put off updates as long as humanly possible, as often as humanly possible, once you get into the broader population. So what's your solution then, I guess is what I'm asking? I don't know so I necessarily have one.

On a business level, the businesses can enforce updates. We enforce updates. On a personal level, though, like, I want control over my computer. I know you do. But, like, my aunt, I think, lost her control over whether she's allowed to decide to update privileges when she decided not to update. And her... But as, like, the, like, family administrator. as it were.

I think you can make that choice. It's not that I don't want the option for automatic updates. Sure. It can even be, in my opinion, default on, which will mean that 90 plus percent of people are never going to turn it off. Well, then, I mean, that's... I want the ability to control my computer. I know, but I'm not talking about you.

So I feel like we're both kind of... I think we're both kind of talking past each other. It could be default on, though, is what I'm saying. No, no, I get it. I just mean, um... Ah. Like, it's a... Like, there's two angles here.

Because the problem here is that I agree with you. I want to control my computer too. If I say, no, I'm actually in the middle of something right now. And you rip away control and take away my ability to do something for three minutes, five minutes, ten minutes. Sometimes it's a really long time. We were literally in the middle of that Windows tier list shoot. And Jordan's computer forced him to apply an update. And it was the computer that he was using for the web-based, like, you can run any version of Windows in a web browser, like, background that I had behind me that we were changing with every version of Windows, and we had to pause the bloody shoot because of Windows updates.

I mean, we have this on Wanshow all the time. Our, like, Google sessions will log us out because we only use these once a week. I can't agree with you more that I want to control my computer. and I want to decide when I want to update. But that is kind of separate from the conversation that I'm having, which is what is the broader solution so that we don't have a giant army of insecure computers?

I think the broader solution is default on. Default on and we just, we hope that people don't get, they stay tech savvy enough to, they don't get tech savvy enough to disable that while not getting also tech savvy enough to understand that they should update, we hope that. I genuinely think over 90% of people will never even go to the control panel option to do anything with it in the first place. I think that's probably, I mean, look, 95% of statistics are made up.

Oh yeah, mine was extremely made up based on... However, it's stardusts. I suspect you're not that far off. I think so. I just, I'm fretting. For sure. Because to me, the risk, of many, many, many, unsecured devices is very scary.

Yeah, the risk of malware being able to deploy that way is also scary, though. We just saw that with Linux. The AUR got compromised. If those updates were forced down my throat, I'd be pretty pissed about it. So, like, it's the whole, I don't remember exactly how the phrase goes, but it's like if you sacrifice liberty for security, you'll have neither, whatever, blah, blah, blah. So apparently that gets misquoted a lot. So I'm going to help us get it right this time.

Let's see what it is. If you, something, liberty, freedom, et cetera, security, security, you deserve neither. Like I can remember enough of the words that I can kind of, okay, here we go. Oh, okay, we've got an NPR article. Ben Franklin's famous liberty safety quote lost its context in the 21st century. So he once said, those who would give up essential liberty, To purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

And this often comes up, this is from NPR, in the context of new technology and concerns about government surveillance. But Benjamin Witts, senior fellow at the Brookings Institute and editor of Lawfare, tells NPR's Robert Siegel that it wasn't originally meant to mean what most people think.

Franklin was basically, and so he's paraphrasing here, basically said those who would trade privacy for a bit of security deserve neither. What is the exact? Oh my, okay. Well, this is a lot longer, unfortunately, then... It's just like a conversation.

I can read right now. You know, there's all these quotations. Think of kill all the lawyers, right? From Shakespeare. Nobody really remembers what the characters in question were saying at that time. Okay, you know what? I'm going to have to look at this again later.

I'm not going to take a stance on the quote for right now. I think either way. It's basically my point, whatever the heck the quote even is, is there are, as we're literally talking about right now, ways that that can be used maliciously. Yeah. And I would like to be able to choose how to defend myself. I do think for the vast majority of people, the right approach is going to be automatic updates.

Rip out the Ethernet cord. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I think for the vast majority people, automatic updates is right. The internet's over. I even think the annoying persistence that Windows. have, has might even be the right approach for most people. Sure.

That being said, if someone wants to go in and try to do something manually to change other computer works, I think they should be able to do so. And it. Good luck, everybody. And there will be bad there. But there's already bad, dude. There's, the, Luke, there's bad everywhere. The, like, that insane worm that's out there that's controlling, like, a crazy amount of

computers right now. Is that the one in RFK Jr.'s brain? Dan was so ready for that. Well, because I had the same joke. As soon as you started, as soon as you started that worm, I was like, here it comes. Let's see. Okay, mind paradox summarized it. Thanks, Mind Paradox in floatplain chat.

From the article, he was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the pens, the proprietary. family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. The proprietary family? Yeah, like a proprietor. The legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War, and the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern,

and so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. the Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it. So, okay, he didn't mean it like just, like broadly necessarily. He was talking about something very specific. I mean, it's a banger quote, one way or another. And it's a sentiment that even outside of the context,

I think resonates with a lot of people. And I think sometimes it can be taken too far. Oh, yes. Pretty often maybe. But I think in this case, I think security vulnerabilities are going to security vulnerability, and it is what it is. Like, that whole thing of like every lock can be picked is just more true than a lot of people are comfortable with.

And every form of security can also be used as offense is another thing that people also need to be aware of. And it's just, yeah, I don't know. I should the shy hulud uh worm that was distributed through npm is also like huge and terrifying and the the uR hack was huge and terrifying and these things are like very real and happening really fast right now yeah say you what you want and i don't think it's going to slow down useless you know i search results or whatever but ai is definitely making some stuff happen in terms of

security right now. You know, you know how I said that I, I kind of like updating on Linux? Yeah. Part of that process right now is in cacheOS, when I do the update, it will read arch news.

It will check arch news to see if there's anything going on. Oh yeah. And if there's nothing going on, I'll be, okay, cool update. I think it was yesterday. I checked like, yeah,

I'm going to do some updates. And it was like, there's some things happening in arch news. I didn't even look. I was just like, never mind. Everything's fine. Close it. I'll wait for that to resolve. I'll come back soon. We'll figure it out.

There are other times where I've read it and then decided from there if I want to move forward or not. But in this particular case, I was like, I was going to be leaving the computer shortly and was like, I could run an update real quick. And then it was like, nah, I'll just do that later. Like, that's really nice. Windows does not do that. There has been a lot of times where a Windows update has gone out. and the internet collectively has been like, oh my God, do not update to this. It's been happening a lot.

Yeah. And I really appreciate that that level of safeguard is there on the cashy side where it's like, there's some news going on. Here's the ways you can find it. You can go read it, make your own decision and go from there. And the window side is just like,

la la la, have fun. Here's your update. It might brick everything. I mean, yes and no, they do do them in a rolling fashion. So they don't actually just go to everybody at once. so it's a dice roll of whether or not it's a... Sure is.

I'm just... It is better. It is better. It's not perfect. Russian roulette with production hardware. I just want to make sure that if we're going to dunk on them, we are dunking on them accurately. They deserve the dunk.

They just maybe didn't deserve that last little bit of razzle-dazzle. Okay, that's all I'm going to say about it. Extremely reasonable. Cat O-S linked to this, which is actually really cool. Windows patch scanner, Windows update regression feed for SIS admins. That's neat. This is probably, Dan, let me know what you think on this one. This is probably one of the most vibe-coded looking websites I've seen in a while.

Is that a Vista icon? It is. It is. It has all the like telltale design signs. I don't really know anything about vibe-coded websites. It's just different color palace that they use, different kind of like styles. Yeah, that like orangey kind of. Yep.

This is like, give me a Web 3.0 Silicon Valley website. Yeah. Which is a hacker focused and uses terminal fund. And Electrobot in chat said it's a nice design IMO. I'm not even pointing out the design is bad. I think the design's great. If this isn't a vibe-coded AI designed website, then this website was trained upon.

I guarantee it. Oh, yeah. It looks really good. I love this style. Yeah. I think it looks great. personally, but it's just, it, it immediately jumped out at me as like the way that they did the boxes, the way they chose the color palette and stuff like that. It's, it's either been heavily trained

upon, which is quite likely, or it's, uh, vibe designed. Yeah. We should probably do a couple sponsors. Uh, first, our float plane announcement, Luke gets canceled on float plane this week. Nah. Didn't happen. Um, it, do, is there any kind of, is there any kind of? context for that or should do I just need to genuinely no idea do you have float plane logged in like okay okay do you want to do that you want to show what I'm supposed to be showing right now because I can't read the notes and also uh screen share okay it's going to take me a second so I got it was but but I can get there he's cooking let him cook because I'm logged into my account not that one but I can get there can't you just open up the exclusives tab oh it's already released yeah

oh my bad oh oh that's what he's talking about. Okay, it's Sammy versus Luke, where they fight with tasers. Yeah. Which is not something that I personally would have approved on work time as a work activity. This is the same reason why I just think the Windows Updates shouldn't be automatic. You know, sometimes you just need to approve some things yourself. So at OpenSauce...

Is this what all the screaming was? Maybe. At OpenSoss, they had taser knife fights. So Sammy and I had a taser knife fight. It was great. Okay. I don't know what part of the video it's in. Yeah, there was a lot of stuff at OpenSauce that would not have passed the safety checks to get into our office.

I thought Sammy had bought taser knives and you were doing this in like the lab. No. No? I mean, I would not put that. Oh, yeah, there was also like a turret that would lock on to your junk and try to shoot you in the junk. Yeah. here. Yeah.

When does it go? At least you're wearing goggles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. Where's the... It's got junk tracking.

Here we go. Here's the taser knife fight. You don't get to see the whole thing, but... It's like, you're not allowed to kick, Sammy. That's not really the point. That's it. No more. And there's another...

There's another one. You get the full, you get the, is it full, uncut? It's 36 minutes. It might actually be full uncut. Yeah,

it ended up being a whole saga trying to figure out if we were getting high voltage, high wattage output. Because in order to do 240 watts, the float plane power brick goes up to 48 volts.

The float plane power brick? That's a float plane framework. Okay. framework power brick goes up to 48 volts. And we didn't have a volt meter or any way to put an ammeter in line or even like a kilowatt, like a wall-mounted power meter. We had nothing. And the laptop itself was not reporting the power correctly, which we knew because we had like a total of, I think it was 150 watts of power consumption between the CPU and GPU alone. And it would say it was charging at 20 watts, and the total power coming over the power brick was 65 watts, which clearly does not actually add up.

And so it was a whole saga determining whether or not an LTT TrueSpec cable was actually working properly with Nerov's laptop. So you've got the whole, like by the end of it, there was like 20, 30 people watching the pressure was on. I didn't actually, I ran into you a couple times, but I didn't actually see you doing this video in particular, but I like heard about it. In positive ways, but I just thought it was really interesting. Because we've been like, you know, passing ships at the night at events for years.

Yeah, we don't actually see each other at events almost at all. Not usually. We're usually working on other things. Even when we were both doing video stuff, we'd probably even see each other less. Well, let's divide and conquer. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

So like, but. and like I knew you were off doing things and we'd maybe meet up at night for dinner or something and check notes. But like other than that, I never really heard about what you're doing. I heard about what you're doing at this event. I heard other people talking about it, which was just very interesting. Dude, that video and the people that we went around and talked to was the, like I couldn't, if I went and I hired an amazing marketing firm and gave them a giant bucket of money. and asked them to come up with use cases and customer testimonial like scenarios to help sell our product they they never would have come up with did you watch that video I haven't

seen the whole I've skimmed through a couple parts of it have you watched the end with the autonomous RC cars no watch it I heard about that it's that's that's crazy that's one of the things that I heard about it like they're we're I'm trying to like close out the video And they're sitting there in the background going like, are you guys seeing this? The latency is so much lower. It turned out that not only did having a proper length cable, so having less loss, probably, this is the hypothesis for now, but having less loss contribute to less voltage drop, which contributed to the real sense camera running more stably. But also, the data rate was higher. and also also that we expected.

The part we didn't expect was when they switched to our cable, their wireless started working better. And Buddy was talking about how a lot of the time, like crappy unshielded USB can actually emit broad spectrum 2.4 gigahertz RF that can jam Wi-Fi. And because of some other limitation in their little autonomous car platform that they were building. They had to use wireless

for one of the communication links. And it turns out that they didn't realize that part of their problem was that the RF interference, maybe this is the hypothesis, we don't know this for sure yet, but was jamming it

because as soon as we put in our cable, it just started working. And we're using a bit of a different style of construction. Not that it's not to spec, it's true spec, it's to spec, but it's like a more expensive coaxial

cable rather than a than a traditionally constructed cable. That's part of why they're so thick. Yeah, and we've been making an argument forever that they're not for every single application under the sun, but this is a, it's a cool argument of like there was a tangible benefit for it in that situation. Yeah, so I already told the shorts team and I told Dave from CW, I was like, y'all need to get that content, y'all need to chop it up, you all need to get it out there because I literally, I couldn't write a better endorsement for the product than that. That's crazy. Here's a derailment for a second.

What did you think? Because I've been singing open sauces praises for years, but you've never been before. Oh, super fun. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, I was like, I am not sure if I understand the economics of it. No. And I hope that that's not a problem for them. It's like sincerely because it is like Maker Mecca, man.

Like, incredible. If you are, I don't think I could endorse open sauce. enough. If you are a creator type, like tech, tech curious, or you want, like, somebody to just take your kids, man, to get them inspired about STEM and, and creating and just building something. Rocketry, robotics, textiles, clothing. I don't think there's a better place that you could take them. I don't think there's a better place that you could go that I've seen. Woodworking, metalworking, hacking. Everything. Everything. I mean, buddy. you can make a thing.

Buddy built a VR headset with CRT displays. Do you see that? No. You missed that? I missed a lot of stuff. That's tragic. I missed a lot of stuff. You know those little handheld TVs with the little antenna and everything?

So those are the really old ones had CRTs in them. Yeah. So Buddy took two of them, disassembled them and made a VR headset. Why? Because he fucking could. I saw a booth where they, they took, what was it? like classified nuclear documents or something and turn them into candy. Sorry, what?

They would let like some form of mold, like eat it. And then they just kept doing this like multiple chemical processes and then just eventually turn it into a sour candy. I don't remember exactly how it works. I think it's in... That sounds like a Nile Rant video. Yeah, I think it's in that full plan exclusive. I'm not sure that it is.

I know we filmed it for that. but I don't know if it actually ended up in the video or not. But yeah, just, I don't know. Who knows? Just crazy stuff. They had, like, examples of what the candy was supposed to taste like there. They didn't have the actual, like, nuclear secret candy, but they showed how they did the process.

And I talked to, oh, it didn't end up in the video, unfortunately. Damn, okay. I talked to them for a while about, like, like, okay. So it's an inspiration of it that you did make yourself is here to try. I will try one of those cool. I will take unlabeled candy from a stranger. That was silly, but whatever. And I tried it and was like, all right, this tastes like slightly odd candy.

Sounds good. How did the Nuclear Secrets candy taste? And he was like, kind of terrible. It was really, really sour, like right off the hop. And then it was just like, ugh. After that. It's like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. It's like mold excrement sour candy.

Not exactly what you're probably aiming for. But they talked about the stuff they had to go through to learn how to do that. And it's very interesting. They also had a VR headset that was like AI powered IRL ad block. So you walk around with a quest on. And if it thinks the thing that it's looking at is ad block, it'll like blur it out or something. I don't remember what it actually did. So tell me this.

You're on the Vegas strip. There's a big van with girls, girls, girls on the side. Do you just not see it? Yeah, probably. Okay, just checking. Yeah, they were also saying like, I don't know, it's some crappy little model. So like the chick that worked at the booth had a shirt on. And she was like, yeah, it thinks it's an ad for some reason.

It like totally wasn't. It was just some pattern. I mean, a lot of shirts are ads. This one wasn't, though. Right. It was just, you know, some pattern. Very interesting booth to hang out at. Man, there's a lot of really cool stuff.

The Taser knife fighting was like amazing. So much fun to watch. Just how everyone would fight in like different ways. How much did it hurt compared to when you had the dog callers? Oh, did Sammy never even hit you? You didn't, you weren't curious? You didn't try it on yourself? I didn't bother.

I'm actually really surprised. I'm actually a little disappointed. I thought he was going to get me. I just, I'm, I'm a little disappointed that you didn't hit yourself. To the point where I got him in the leg one time When you get someone in the leg You have to start hopping on the other leg And he was like, oh, you should make it fair

And I like Sacrificed my own leg But you didn't touch yourself No I'm I should just got it I'm kind of let down I wanted it to be I wanted the surprise of getting hit

And then I just You'll have to watch the footage The guy running the thing Said we were one of the most entertaining duo He had the whole event And that was like Later on on the Sunday I think Oh wow okay

Is that accurate? What day were you there? Saturday? I was there Saturday. Later on on the Saturday. I found out that I wasn't on the site. There was a while when people were lined up to do selfies and stuff. I don't think you were like a speaker or anything.

Okay. I think you go on the site if you're doing like a panel because then there is like a meet and greet thing and stuff. Because I wasn't sure if I was supposed to be. I was like, well, I don't know. I have a badge. I'm here. but I was just standing in one of the halls and there was like a lineup to get selfies or whatever and like there was a point there was like a period for a while where two out of every three

people were like I didn't know you were going to be here I'm like did you not hear the last you were standing right there when the last person said that to me but people they just walked up and said exactly the same thing every time like well here I am I just thought it was funny honestly yeah I'm a little disappointed too I think after we were done the fight I had

gotten him in a particular way that I was busy apologizing for which you'd have to watch the video to go see nice but it was the balls I was I think I was

I think I was I think I was focused on apologizing for that and just never really thought about it but yeah I wanted it to be like kind of a surprise I didn't want to just because I didn't want to just

Because I think he had he demoed it before. No, I don't know. I don't remember. But yeah, I was expecting it to be a surprise. Yeah, it was fun. What was really cool? NASA was there. NASA had an actual full booth.

They brought heat shield samples from Artemis 1 and Artemis 2 to show the difference between like the entry skip versus the through and through and how they affected the heat shields. They had an actual moon rock. What? So I said like, wow, this is. is the closest I've ever been to the moon and then I got corrected is the closest the moon has ever been to me. Interesting.

Thinking, hold on. I'm going to get there. Oh, secondhand embarrassment. This is the moon has ever been to me. That's really cool. The argument was that in this scenario, I was the one with more mass. Right. That makes sense.

Because it was just a little rock, not the whole world. They also had a wind tunnel model of the Orion capital. And they talked about like the difficulties of doing scaled models and wind tunnels because the smaller you get the tighter the tolerances get and like how insane that can get. And like I mean is is there a certain point where the size of the model relative to like the size of an air molecule matters? It didn't sound like it. Okay. There was a couple questions going back and forth. I hope I didn't get that wrong.

But there was. so NASA gave Luke a massive correction. That's pretty funny. That's a good one. That's a pretty good. They also mooned him. But yeah, like one of the things he was saying was they had done up all these different wind tunnel tests.

And then on Artemis 1, it was fine, but there was anomaly detected during the launch. And they were surprised by it. They took it back to the wind tunnel, tried to recreate that exact scenario, were able to recreate the problem. came up with a solution, tested it a bunch, implemented it for Artemis II, problem solved. That's pretty cool.

Pretty sick. That's pretty cool. I learned about, they have an arc jet that they test the heat shielding for. And hearing some of the like specs for the arc jet was crazy. It's like a plasma cutter, but instead of like a little dot, it's like a freaking pipe. It's just wild. He was talking about like the air intake that they use for it, which is apparently the way. he was describing it, it sounded like it was basically the side of a building.

Crazy. I don't know. I want to look more into that stuff. Okay. Let me see if I can find. Okay. Anyway, there are a ton of other roofs like hot dog racing and real steel the movie RRL, all of which are exactly what they sound like. You can go cancel Luke at at lmg.g.g.g.fp.an or over on our YouTube members. Now I'm supposed to do sponsors. Dan wants me to do all four. I'm going to leave it up to float plane chat. Okay, you guys can tell Dan if that's okay or not.

Yeah, do you want an uninterrupted rest of the show or do you want me to break it up later? By the way, I think I'm mistaking the intake for the arc jet and the intake for the wind up. All right, wind tunnel intake. Okay, most of float plane is saying get all four out of the way now. All four.

Do three. Ooh, I like that. That's pretty funny. Oh, that feels gross. Why don't I like that? Uh, all right, okay. All right, sure. Most of float playing chat says do all four.

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or on tonight's show for a chance to win one of two Power Color Red Devil AMD Radion RX 9070 XTGUs. Luke, as you know, AMD always gives us a topic to discuss. And so here it is. With modern GPUs leaning harder into features like upscaling and frame generation to deliver smoother gameplay, are we entering an era where the best GPU is defined more by software versus raw performance alone? This was AMD's question?

I doubt it. But I guess that's where we're at. I don't make the rules. That's what's in there. And as you know, I'm not going to tell you to say anything you don't want to say. No, I know. Luke, what do you think? How should people weigh native performance versus the real world experience with these features enabled? Wow.

I think it somewhat depends on... Keep in mind, AMD's never going to give you an upgrade, so what do you owe them? Yeah, true. Are you eligible? I can't remember. Technically, yes. Oh, are you now? Okay, well, then they might. So tread carefully.

No. No. Sorry. I think it depends on the type of games you're playing are the applications you're using it for. Dan, someone said the AMD link is broken. Do you mind finding out about that? Dodging.

Sure. Thanks, Dan. But, yeah, I mean, it depends. If you're trying to play some game that super highly benefits from just like you know, frame gen 4x, whatever, blah, blah, blah, then you're going to want the software features. If you're not, then maybe you won't.

How would you define a game that benefits from that? Because no matter what game it is, if you're running frame gen at 4X, for instance, you will be generating a lot of frames that do not come with the latency benefit of actually rendering more frames. I don't know. I would assume you know, I don't know train simulator. Train simulator.

Oh, okay. So you're talking games where there actually is straight up, less real-time interactivity, and you could benefit from just much smoother animations even if it does come

at the cost of some latency. Yeah. Okay. And then I'm going to throw in on the other side if you have a pretty decent base frame, already adding a little bit of frame gen,

I generally don't do it. I'm still not doing much. But it's not that bad. I'm 40-80. I'm still not doing much. Pretty strong card. Not really needed. I think that's,

I think the answer is simple. It's like both. Both? Both. Yes, both is good. That's why it kind of said. It depends on your games. Depends on what you're playing.

Depends on what you need it for. You're going to need raw performance. I mean, we're seeing this as... Depends on operating system to a certain degree. They said, I think the question was specifically around software, but I think compatibility and ease of use comes in under the software umbrella.

If I can throw AMD a bone, most of the people I know they're having a better time switching to Linux right now are running AMD cards. A lot of the problems that I've had, switching to Linux, is the fact that I'm running at 4080. It's directly tied into the envia drivers and the issues that come with that. I know this was a problem for Forza,

where I was trying to figure why the heck I couldn't play forza on Linux very easily. And then I was talking to multiple other people that were all having no problem with it. And ended up figuring out that all of those people running AMD cards. And it seems to be a consistent problem. So that might play into it. A lot of people are moving over to Linux. At the same time, the software solutions on the NVIDIA side seem really strong right now.

And if you want framework, Jen, if you want DLSS, if you want that stuff, that stuff is really strong on Green Team. The latest FSR is getting better. but I also think that that's one way that our discussion question was almost like incomplete because running the newest models

of upscaling does require faster hardware so you are going to need both and not just compute units like you're more traditional like render cores you're also going to need

like machine dedicated machine learning acceleration dedicated ray tracing hardware. Say what you want about whether you like ray tracing or not. It's not going anywhere. It's here to stay. And you're going to need dedicated acceleration for that too. It's going to have to be a combination.

So, yeah. Rest assured, the full plane chat said, I got a 9070 XT and my issues went away on Linux. Last of Us was unplayable on Nvidia. So like there's a lot of, it depends on your setup. It depends on your use case. It depends on the games, the applications, all that kind of stuff. Depends on your face.

I think it varies more right now than a lot of times, whatever, than a lot of times in the past, because of Linux being much more viable for a wider amount of people. Depends on your mom. You know what else depends on your mom? Underwater hockey is totally a thing. Really? Oh, yeah. Turkey beats Great Britain six years ago, so it's before this would have been generatable.

800,000 views. Um, yep. Was that an ad? That was an ad. Nice ad for a screwdriver, I think. Why did it just freeze? Oh, okay. All right.

Yeah, they do be playing. There's a club in Vancouver. Called the Ninjas. Yeah. No way. So you have fins, so you're like ripping. Really fast, actually. There's a bunch of people in the audience.

Watching this as an audience in an arena must be nuts. This is crazy. Apparently there's like a decent amount of contact that's allowed even. Like yeah, they just ran into each other. Like apparently it's like not a super passive sport. I was reading that the 3D elements of it get really interesting. Because like you can be, you can think you're on a breakaway, but someone can come from like above you and check you. Right.

But can you- Can you juggle and if you flip, then can you touch it again and then be able to boost again? Like is it? Rocket. Underwater soccer. I don't know. My son was explaining it to me at some point. Like you can do a reset or something so that you can like go again. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, all right. This is crazy. I eat plastic says it's the closest thing we have to actual quidditch. Now you just need like, uh, uh, like, I don't know, a tiny little, tiny little sea entity that one person has to go try to catch and if they catch it every single other thing that

happened in the entire game is completely irrelevant yeah yeah the whole quidditch thing was very distracting for me in the harry potter verse someone told me at some point that rowling like hated sports and intentionally made a sport that was stupid because like the point was that sports are stupid i'm not sure if i believe that though i don't Is Quidditch intentionally stupid? I'm uh... Oh Uh, yes

AI says J.K. Rowling intentionally designed Quidditch to be frustrating and absurd As a direct subversion of logical sports culture Cool Uh, okay Good job, you really stuck it to him Nobody does a sport anymore She wanted to create a sport that would deliberately infuriate men who care deeply about the rigid statistics and logical scoring systems of real world sports. And then the men made quidditch in real life and gave it better rules and get freaking owned.

Get dunked on. Elbozo. Anyways. Speaking of getting dunked on, India fined HP $14.4 million for rigging government bids and fixing ink and toner prices. Jeez, wow. India's Competition Commission hit HP India with that fine that we just mentioned across two separate rulings. One covering PCs, laptops, desktops, workstations, accessories. The other one covering printer supplies, ink, toner, consumables.

The scheme ran on the government e-marketplace from 2017 to 2020, where HP coordinated with its resellers to pre-arrange bids and submit fake cover bids, making tenders look competitive while a pre-picked HP partner won and taxpayers overpaid. The strange part is that HP India reported the whole thing itself. It filed under India's leniency program, basically self-snitching. before regulators had any evidence, hoping to get full immunity. Really? The investigation that followed turned up WhatsApp chats, emails, and even a 2019 video from a reseller meeting laying out who would submit fake bids and who should win each contract. H.P's defense was that it wasn't the mastermind, just commercially forced into propping up

the scheme because its own ink prices were so high that resellers were threatening to switch to cheaper counterfeit products. Okay, so HP, I think I found the part where you screwed up. It even wrote in its filing that it humbly objects to being called the kingpin of the arrangement. The commission called it a cartel anyway and named HP India as the central architect. So it got a partial penalty cut for coming forward, but it was denied the full immunity it wanted.

This story is so funny. I just, I saw the headline and I was like moderately interesting. And then I read even a couple minutes further into it and I was like, What? Meanwhile in India. Sorry, what's going on? We object to be calling the kingpin, but I guess you can call us, you know, the central architect. That would be fine.

And cartel. The central architect of the cartel, that's okay. We just don't want to be called the kingpin. That's associated with a villain in the, in the, Marvel universe. Speaking of legal trouble, just weeks after D-brand had to kill

its companion cube case over the Valve intellectual property problem, a printables user named Jaron rebuilt the whole thing from scratch as a free 3D printable project,

and it is already past 10,000 downloads. He worked entirely off of photos of D-brand's design, used none of D-Brand's files and put up 39 files for assembly videos in a full parts list down to the screws and magnets. It is doable on a single extruder printer

with filament swaps, and he has since added pre-painted files for multicolour printers. There's even a plain weighted storage cube variant if you just want the version without the heart. D-brand got shut down for using Valve's IP without permission, and now this recreation is based on D-brand's design without D Brand's permission.

That's pretty funny. That's it. And because there's no commercial endeavor here, Valve is extremely unlikely to do anything unless buddy starts charging for the files or something like that. She doesn't look like he is right now. I was wondering about that. Are you on it right now?

Yeah. Okay, here. Here you go, guys. You can have a look at me. How cool is that, right? It looks freaking awesome. Yeah, it does. That's amazing.

Man, I just, I love the maker community and 3D printing community and just the way people so selflessly give of their own time so that other people can just have a little bit more joy. How cool is that? Yeah. Like out of 10. I think genuinely 10. What else would be a 10? What are we, what are some, some puppies? 10.

Yeah, puppies are a 10. Yeah. I think this is a 10. Yeah. I think it's on part with puppies. Yeah. That's why OpenSauce is so awesome. Yeah.

Because everyone there is just this. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, but tell me this, though. What if OpenSauce had puppies? Can you exceed 10? Did you miss the puppy room?

Shut up. There's no puppy room. Was there a puppy room? I don't think so. Oh, stop. They're 3D printed. This guy. Free-d-printed puppies.

What if it was both? There you go. Open source puppies. You wouldn't download a puppy. Okay, this is cool. Speaking of makers and STEM, Northwestern University Engineers have unveiled Phantom Twist.

Luke, do you want to bring up the video of it taking off? Sure, one sec. A drone that makes itself roughly 10 times harder to see than a same-sized quadcopter by spinning its entire body 15 to 25 times per second. it debuted

July 16th at the Robotics Science and Systems Conference in Sydney and in flight it kind of dissolves into a faint semi-transparent smudge

and remember guys we're looking at it now against like dark high contrast objects this is like the worst case scenario if this thing was in the sky

just like up against the blue in the dazzling light of the sun, I do not know how you could see it. The way it works is the body spins, or sorry, the body sits still while only the, oh, sorry. The way it works is it has one motor and one propeller. The prop spins one way, and the entire rest of the aircraft counter-rotates the other way. So no part of it ever holds still.

It stays stable through the gyroscopic effect and steers by varying its motor thrust mid-rotation. People are commenting that apparently it's like super loud. It's super loud. But if it was high enough, it wouldn't matter. Maybe just fly higher. According to the researchers paper, the disappearing act works because of the persistence of human vision. Our eyes accumulate light over a window of roughly 50 to 150 milliseconds, sort of like a camera's exposure time. Anything spinning faster than that gets averaged into the background,

which is the same reason that fan blades look transparent. The paper points out that the drone's spin rate is comparable to the 24 frames per second that movies are shot at. I don't actually know how relevant that is here, but sure, that's nice. The team did not design the layout by hand. They had a computational model generate around 20,000 stable configurations, then used AI optimization to shuffle the motor, battery, circuit board, and counterweights around until visibility bottomed out.

that is okay something that's actually very cool use of AI before anyone gets too excited or worried it currently relies on an external optical tracking system to fly so it's indoors only for now the thin carbon fiber rods and wires are still faintly visible up close and it is just as loud as any other small drone so your ears will catch it even if your eyes didn't the team's pitch is wildlife monitoring okay and infrastructure inspection with future versions aiming for transparent materials and quieter props.

It's going to have to be a lot quieter to be useful for wildlife monitoring, I think. But hey, neat. Our discussion question is, do you have any uses for an invisible drone? Maybe you don't answer that. I know who does. No, I don't. I talk to my lawyer. Who?

Oh, you know. People. gross. I'm going to move on. This one's just funny. Author Dave Eggers, best known for the memoir, a heartbreaking work of staggering genius

and the novel, The Circle, criticized ChatGPT directly to OpenAI employees. And this is especially funny because he was invited to speak to the Open AI employees by the company CEO Sam Altman after Eggers publicly criticized AI-generated fiction. So he used the opportunity to challenge employees over AI's impact on education and creativity.

And this is a quote saying, why don't you leave your house, leave the screen, meet some people, get yourself in a writing group, and also said, or also warned them that AI could be silencing an entire generation or two. And what he meant by that was that by making teachers jobs more difficult and preventing students from developing their own writing skills and authentic voices, that they would not have the skill set to tell their stories in an authentic personal way. I heard there was a teacher who put...

I just thought this was badass. That's all. I was a teacher who put some text in a assignment, like how to do this assignment thing that was, I don't know, transparent text. or something. So when it was copy-pasted, it grabbed it. Oh, no. But if you were just trying to read it yourself, you wouldn't see it. And it said something along the lines of like, I don't know, use this strange word in a

context that wouldn't make any sense. It specifically says that wouldn't make any sense. And it was something like these numbers are going to be wrong, but the scale I think is pretty correct. Yeah, Madagascar, that was it. Use the word Madagascar in a way that wouldn't make any sense. And the assignment had nothing to do with it at all. Okay.

And maybe the person who said the word Madagascar will know, but if I remember correctly, it was like 40 students, like two of them didn't do it. Two of them didn't have Madagascar in the final time. Something like that. It was some insane ratio. But the numbers, don't listen to the numbers. I don't remember exactly what the numbers were. But it was like some insanely high percentage of people. There was also another teacher who did a take home do it yourself midterm and an in-person, no computer final.

Yeah, that one was a little while ago. I think we talked about that on WAN show. Oh, was that WAN? Yeah, that was college, I think. Very interesting. Yeah, where, like, everyone aced the midterm, and then when he said it was going to be an in-person final, like a whole bunch of people dropped out of the class,

and it turned out that, like, again, two of the students had consistent grades across the midterm and the final. One of them was just an honest... Absolutely Chad. Well, one of them was a Chad who got, like, 98 both times or something. And then another one of them was just an honest person. and got and that's their redeeming quality.

60 something both times. It's like, all right. Nice, nice work. You know what? There is, I, man. 32 out of 35 failed,

apparently. This is going to be, I don't know, this might ruffle some feathers, but I think I would rather have, in terms of who I'd rather work with day to day, I think I'm getting to the point where I'd rather work with someone honest with integrity than a genius.

Yeah. I, I think LNG community says, it well though, Mr. Chui. He's like totally not our like community coordinator. No, you should get a new account.

You really need a different tag, Chewy. Yeah, yeah, you do. Your job title has actually changed twice since then. And also quite significantly. Yeah. He said, I just don't know how kids could possibly resist the temptation of using AI.

And honestly, I agree. That's a, that's an unfortunate but like pretty basic. take. I hate it. Thanks, I hate it, basically. Yeah. I think it's, I think it comes down to, would you have been able to resist. No, I would have used it in some way. Your options would have been play Morrowind or sit and do Tide's homework. I'm already cooked. I'm already cooked. See, that's what I'm talking about. As soon as I, as soon as I put you back, I give, I give you a temptation that is irrelevant today. You wouldn't play Morrowind today. If I was like, oh, Luke, here, I installed Morrowind on your computer. Are you going to be able to focus on Wanshow? You're like, what are you talking about? Of course.

There's no way you're going to play Morrowin during Wandshow. There's no way you will disrespect our viewers that way. See, now I've already turned them off it. I'm updating Steam. You're not. Unbelievable. Actual child. You're an actual child.

I mean, that's why I have three monitors. You can't see what I'm doing. You can't see that he's playing Morrowind. But as soon as I pull out the like period appropriate temptation, No, I think I think I I think it's an easy choice You play Morowind I'm really trying to wonder

I definitely would have used it as a shortcut I don't know if I would have used its output There's different times in my life That I think I would have used it more or less Yeah And by using it at all I think I might have stunted The growth

That would have led to the higher probability Of using it at other times If that makes sense I think especially with some of the really big problems I had in high school Of the like grammar and punctuation stuff. Oh, if you could have...

I wonder. The dangerous thing about being smart with a learning disability is that you're invisible if you want to be. You can, you can fake it. And you'd have better tools for faking it. I would have found a way to hide that with that. So I probably would have used my own words, but I would have used it to give me the correct punctuation.

Interesting. But I probably would. I don't know. I'm looking at how I've approached it so far, and I believe very strongly in the you have to own the output thing. And I think I would have been informed enough to know that you could do things like hiding text. Maybe it was one point font or something, hiding text somewhere or doing other little tricks. I would have known that there are ways for teachers to detect it like m dashes and all this other kind of stuff. And I wouldn't have wanted to risk that.

Yeah. But I would have definitely used it. as a proof reader and would have adjusted my hand-ins based on it and would have used it as a shortcut. I'm like fairly certain that would have happened, especially when Morawind is calling. I didn't really learn to enjoy writing until after high school. The wacky thing for me was I enjoyed writing. I just couldn't get good grades because I would just butcher spelling grammar punctuation. Interesting. The only reason I learned to enjoy it was because I,

I had a teacher who pushed me to become more proficient at it. See, that's so interesting because I almost had the opposite. Mr. Thompson said that he actually really liked my writing, and I was getting just knee-capped by, because my previous teacher would take a point away for every single mistake. So he liked the writing, but my punctuation would be weird, so I'd just get 50% like all the time. Yeah, we had, Mr. Horn was exactly the same.

I think it was 0.5 of a point off. and this was out of 10. Yeah. So if you made a handful of mistakes... It's just gone. So I just couldn't perform. So he capped it at 10%. Right.

So if I like wrote something really good, but the structure of it was bad, the punctuation was bad, stuff like that, I could still get 90. And then I got like very close to 90 in the course. And I started really enjoying it. Mr. Horn had no such accessibility mode that I'm aware of, unfortunately.

Yeah. I don't think most do. What we were allowed to do was we were allowed to pick a partner before we handed in our assignments and do a proof reading pass. See, that would have helped a ton. So what he taught us, actually, I like that. I forgot about that. That's actually really cool. That's one of the reasons I'm so good at editing.

I just realized. That's a really, really cool solution. That's hilarious. I really like that. Although it did mean that the winners won more and the losers won and the losers lost more. So you get paired with someone who's... Well, no, you picked your partner. So I would go and pick another ace in the class

And we would check each other's work And we would both get nine and a half or ten out of ten That happened kind of naturally for me in university There was a there was a crew of people at BCIT that I'm still friends with The boys and we would all help each other study with stuff And I really think it like raised the whole group to another level There's a lot of dropouts in that course And that crew stayed together and didn't drop out the whole way through

I mean, until I did, I guess. Oops. But like, that was for different reasons. At Ziam asks, does school need to be fair? Nothing is fair. Nothing is fair, but we should strive for fairness, if that makes sense. Best we can. Yeah.

I still think teaching people the value of editing and, like, caring about someone else's work and trying to help each other succeed is very valuable. I don't think there's necessarily a way you can possibly make that purely fair because you can't make every single. pairing perfect maybe you don't do the pick your partner maybe you rotate through somehow I'm not sure yeah I'm not sure what the best way to do that is yeah um what else what else we got here what's what's something cool oh that one's not cool that one's not cool that one's interesting oh I've got a pretty cool one go for it do you want to do oh i was i was i thought it was kind of your turn i picked a cool one for you though sure i'll do it um man this whole we stopped doing it for a while and we're back to it the um

title is the same as the first yeah i just stopped reading the titles okay i will stop doing that as well a federal judge has given final approval to anthropics one point five billion dollar copyright settlement with authors and publishers which the court called the largest copyright class action settlement in history. A billion and a half? Yeah. I mean, that is massive. That's pretty big.

It covers about 482,000 books that Anthropic downloaded from piracy sites like LibGen while building training data for Claude and works out to roughly $3,000 per book before fees. I don't necessarily know what that means. Before fees. Legal fees? I assume so. Oh, God. Is it going to be like $3?

at the end of it? No, no, no, no. The authors get $3,000 per book, I think. Oh, I hope not. We'll see. Hopefully I'm reading that wrong. Over 91% of covered authors have already claimed their share. That tells me it's more than $3 if people bothered to do it.

That sure does. It sounds like a lot of them did. That's pretty sick. And Anthropic is also required to destroy its pirated copies. Yeah, sure. Sure. It's already trained on it. Judge Alsup ruled the last year that Anthropic buying physical books,

scanning them and destroy. the originals was fair use. Nice! We can buy Blu-rays and rip them, and then it's totally legal now. Thank you. And that training AI on books is legal. What wasn't legal was downloading millions of pirated copies

to build a permanent library, and that's the part Anthropic paid to settle before a jury could set damages. Because it settled instead of appealing, none of this becomes a binding precedent. Damn it. No, that's actually maybe good. Is it?

Yes. So, okay, we'll talk about that in a second. So the dozens of similar suits against Google meta, mid-jorney and opening eye are still live with judges free to rule differently. Or- But wasn't this a good- Or rule the same? Because at least one of these is bound to go through and not get settled. It's kind of where my head's at on this. I see.

Okay. So what's nice is that this is- You just don't want one to go a totally different direction and go through. Sure. This is true. But this is resolved for now and the authors get something, which is not enough, in my opinion. I don't think it's enough. it's man

it's something it's something though it's something so I see what you're saying you didn't want the precedent set with this because it might be too low I just want to this is a this is a start it's it's a it's a it's if these are my possible outcomes

right and everything to this side of the middle is bad and everything to this side of the middle is good we're kind of like We're like here. Yeah. You know, we're like a... It's... It's good.

I could hope for better still. Yeah. That's where I'm at right now. So you're holding out hope for better. I'm holding out. I'm holding out for a hero. Man, Wendell's turnstone video is still not up. Come on, Wendell.

Come on, right off. What's turnstone? Turnstone is cool. I, the answer to like all of this stuff for me is run stuff locally. I think that is the right way to get back at them. Dude, the latest Chinese. these models look crazy. They also look very hard to run,

but they'll be quantized down and whatnot. But Turnstone is like Odysseus, puty pie's thing, but more tuned for Enterprise. Oh, okay. And Wendell's building it. Oh. And he hasn't said a ton else publicly yet,

but he has said publicly that there is a video on Turnstone that is coming. And I'm excited because it's very cool. That sounds very cool. It is very cool. Next topic. Athen Immortal says, as a publisher, it feels a bit like robbery, where they got to keep what they stole, and I was offered a market value.

I was still robbed. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's totally fair. If this was a person, they wouldn't have to pay $3,000 per book. They would go to jail. Yeah.

which is crazy right anyways oh that was actually something that didn't make it into our notes about the um about the India uh like ink price fixing deal thing uh is that apparently their executives are actually like like we're

personally punished for this which is like I can't believe I'm saying this but like hey maybe India has something to teach us about how to punish like antitrust stuff. Yeah, I'm trying to look it up. Reddit co-founder Aaron Schwartz, pirated, stole, whatever you want to call it. I think it was like, what I'm seeing here is 4.8 million J-Store documents from

MIT, which is I think like published papers and stuff. And yeah, Reddit co-founder. accused of stealing 4.8 million J-store documents from LMIT. Repeated visits to access network and download documents for distribution on file sharing sites. Okay. And this is like for context, as far as my understanding goes, if you email the authors of a lot of these papers, they will just send it to you because in how their system works, they're probably employed by like a school or whatever else. They like have to publish these papers this way, but they don't actually want to charge people for it. So he's like

trying to make it so these papers can get out more easily because that's scientific progress, open learning, all that kind of stuff. He did not get dealt with in the same way. Oh, man, I just had it on screen and then lost it. Sorry. Here it is. The charges were filed in Boston on Tuesday by the attorney. District carried a penalty of 35 years in prison and a $1 million fine.

What? So we seem to be a lot harder on a random individual dude than the are. plain chat is being pretty based. Here's the deal. When corporations can go to jail, then they can be people. Yeah, no, I agree. That's actually, like, how about they just have to dude, if you,

if the punishment was that if the corporation commits a crime that would have resulted in a six month prison sentence, if they have to actually get just like their one phone call a day for six months,

you, man, We would, all of a sudden, they'd be on it. They'd be, they'd be so adherent to the law. It'd be wild. Speaking about a post-corporate world, Fallout 5, Fallout 3 in New Vegas remasters, and the most interesting part. The very most interesting part that people have a lot of mixed opinions on.

New Obsidian Fallout is official. So I am amazed that you, You picked this topic as one of our headline topics at the beginning of the show. Usually, I have a pretty good idea of what you're going to pick. I know that you love Fallout, but I can't believe that after all the news that has come out of Bethesda and Microsoft and it and all of that mess right now. Sometimes I'm just a dumb little boy who likes his little video games. You're not looking at this through a cynical lens going,

here's this is obviously just a shiny distraction hey ignore all the bad news right now fall out is it I mean am I am I just being too cynical the part that is interesting to me is obsidian's involvement no it looks like it's not me

I'll RFTW says Luke smoking that copium hard hurt me again Todd I'm ready that I will get excited I'm ready for the pain will Viatar take me Oh, okay.

It never goes away. Yeah, obsidian is the interesting part to me. Yeah, that's the good. It's a little questionable. It's been a hot minute. The obsidian of the now is not the obsidian of the then. So it's interesting. Then it was black and glass-like.

And now it's black and glass-like and older. No, you know, serve the second one. Isn't that like the main guy? coming back? I've heard, yes, but all the structure around him is changed. No man is an island. Maybe not completely gone. I can't claim to know, but it's interesting because I mean, if you look at Fallout, I liked Fallout 3. Fallout 3 was all right. Fallout New Vegas was incredible, has a lot of like the best quotes in games ever in it and is still a cult classic to today. fallout four

more like fallout for the birds I didn't play it I don't know yeah um fallout five is uh I don't know if fallout five is the obsidian fallout or if fallout five is Bethesda fallout if fallout if fallout five is Bethesda fallout

if they keep going down the path they have been going lately uh it's probably going to suck it's just all settlement building Yeah, something like that. Fallout 5 was Bethesda. Was Bethesda? Is Bethesda? Okay.

Excuse me. So whatever the Obsidian one is, is the one that I'm more interested in. But, you know, fool me roughly seven times or something, and maybe I'm the fool. Shame on Dan. Maybe. Catching strays. Maybe Todd can sit in an immersion, sensory deprivation chamber or something. and become what he once was and

revitalize all of Bethesda and give us a good elder schools and good follow. Maybe he has a midlife crisis. It just goes like, wait, what have we made good game? Wait, what if they were fun? That'd be crazy. That'd be crazy.

Yeah, probably. Well, I got my tanks recharged of copium, so I'm all ready to go. Let's go. I owe Sammy something, and I think he's expecting me to do this on my phone, but I'm not going to. Huh?

Week. Okay, Dan, Sammy needs that timestamp. Sure. We don't have, we don't have Nokey in the chat today. Hi, hi me again. Do you mind filming a horizontal video of you saying weak? I forgot to ask, I was too stunned by the feet, cam. Thank you.

Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, two hours, 58 minutes, 48 seconds, 30. Can I get a clap? Thank you. Editor's note, uh, Yeah, whatever. All right. Man, it's been a long week. Do we talk about the craziness now?

Yeah, sure. Let's talk about the craziness. Oh, Fallout 5 is currently in pre-production and we'll use the Creation Engine 3, also used for Alder Scroll 6. Note from David. Which one had, which one was Starfield? Creation Engine.

Three? Two? Two and a half with... I think that. What version of... So does that mean also Starfield? Two. too. Okay, so there's hope.

There's more hope. Only how to talk to my dealer in order more copium. Yeah, maybe creation engine will save us. Maybe they'll scoop up all the people it just lost. I mean, it would kind of make sense. Their engine is so based. Yeah. But then, wait, but these are both under the Microsoft umbrella.

Sure are. Yeah, okay. The Bethesda and Ed are also extremely related. Dude, you are not even sitting on. And then they're going to get all. The real Earth people and they're going to get the composer video games.

That is their worst take in all the many years that we have hosted this show together. You expected good takes for me about Bethesda? Look, I take you, I take you seriously. I respect you as a friend and collaborator. I can't be... I can't be...

That was bullshit. You're a... You're a... Oh my god Like it took me a second I didn't manage to connect the dots for how fucking stupid that was Because I expect so much better from you Okay, what are we pick another topic?

My God I have no women Let's, uh, no whimsy in this man. Yeah, see, yeah. You're whimsy-less. You can't have magical pixie-dust thoughts in there. Um, let us dissociate. That's all we have left.

Okay. Now let's go into a insane whiplash of a topic. Framework cuts laptop 13 pro pre-order RAM in half. Yeah, investment disclosure. I'll let Luke do this one. Massive increases in cost have forced framework to alter pre-orders for the upcoming a laptop 13 pro. Laptop Pro 13. Framework Pro 13,

whatever Kit come, you could do your thing. Okay. Yeah, it's written wrong in here. It's not Luke's fault. The pre-order holders report RAM allocations being cut in half and pricing for the pre-orders being updated. The company announced in a blog post that their LP Cam 2 supplier has more than doubled RAM pricing over their existing inventory. Framework Chief Exec, and TrueSpec,

cable enthusiast, Nerav Patel, wrote that this cost increase goes far beyond anything we had predicted and anything we're able to absorb without placing our ability to operate at real financial risk. Framework says they have enough LP cam two modules on hand to cover existing pre-orders, but not in capacities that match the pre-order. So no, they don't. So, no, no, so LP cam two modules is one module per system.

it's not like so dim where you would have two so they have in terms of the quantity of LP cam two modules they have enough of them but not with the right number of dyes on them i see so not the right uh yeah yes i see i get it thanks that was actually pretty good uh the blog post breakdown uh breaks down the pre-order changes, TLDR. If there aren't enough modules for your order, it's being downgraded to the next lower RAM configuration at the original price for that configuration.

Okay. That's a little better than I thought. The blog also warns of cost increases on other hardware, which will impact new orders as well. Yeah, I didn't put it in the dock for this week, I think, but TSMC, it's rumored that TSMC

is increasing way for... Oh, no, it is in here. TSM plans chip price hikes in 2027 of um baseline 5 to 10% with some AI and HPC customers facing effective cost increases of up to 25% through additional surcharges. These reported increases are tied to rising manufacturing costs, overseas fab investments and just plain old strong. It's,

you pay me demand. It's honestly wild. They could be, this might sound like an insane statement. they could crank it so much more. I know. So much more. They literally came out and pointed at like S.K. Hynix and Samsung and we're like, we're not doing that.

They could, though. And it's kind of wild that they're not. And there's a lot of theories as to why. Is it just down to like Taiwanese culture? Like I, what are the other theories? I think it's down to the defense of Taiwan because if they crank it too high, you're incentivizing development elsewhere. Yeah. That's my theory.

The same guy that brought to you, maybe Bethesda should just hire the id guys to the creation engine. Yeah, I mean, the other part, too, as I could see valuing the long-term partnership. I mean, you look at the way you can, you can, like, okay, look at what's going on with. Well, look at how hungry everyone is to switch to Chinese RAM. What's that, what's that thing Oracle bought that everyone's all, mad about or hold on who no no no I remember

who owns VMware right now Broadcom that's right everyone's super mad at Broadcom because they bought they bought VMware in 2023 and have just been like cranking the screws in fact did that not make it into WAN show last week that it was a really cool article

I read I think it was on Ars Technica about a company that found a solution it was like a restaurant chain that found a solution to converting all of their VMs restaurant or retail? Retail. Retail.

It was a retail chain that converted all of their VMs off of VMware and just kind of like told the story of the very difficult painful migration that they had to go through and how just

the comments was hilarious on this article because everyone was talking about how much they just fucking hate what Broadcom is doing with VMware but they feel so locked in and they can't wait to jump

ship and I mean maybe part of it is also just prudent business management just because you're on top today and you have all these partnerships today doesn't mean that and you want to benefit from being a technology leader so their CSMC is clearly increasing pricing but if you turn the screws too hard you're incentivizing outside demand or outside competition you are you know just you know I don't know, you're being kind of a jerk, and also you're making your partners irate. You're making them look for the exit. So maybe it's a little bit of all of them. I mean, I don't sit on their board. I don't know, but just guessing. Just guessing. What else? While this is going on, Nvidia is reportedly raising GForce GPU kit prices. Invidia board partners are said to be paying

more for both GDDR6 and GDDR7 G4GPU kits. However, the reports do not confirm whether these higher component costs will directly translate into higher retail GPU prices. But how could they do anything other than that? Okay, so GPU prices are going out. There you go. You heard it here first. Our discussion question is, PC building feels like a luxury hobby right now. But has it always been this way?

No. I would argue no. The reason why I would argue no. I think it's cyclical, at least to a degree. When's the last time it felt like a luxury hobby? Oh, man, I really... Because for me, it would like basically go to before I was functional as a human. No, I wouldn't say that.

I'd say it felt, man, it felt very luxury hobby in like the early SLI days, although it didn't have to be. I mean, I think that's the difference is that... Premium options does not mean luxury hobby. No, that's true. But I mean, working in the department that I was working in, I had a lot of exposure to the people who treated it like a luxury hobby. Right. There was a player on the Vancouver Canucks who, I mean, I'm probably far enough removed from this now that I could just admit this.

I would just search his name in our system once in a while just to see what kind of crazy shit he bought. Because he would just buy the highest end everything the second it came out. And like it just really surprised me the first time he like showed up. up on my radar because he bought like an over $1,000 high capacity SSD and I was like, wait, that guy? Because I don't see that as like the professional athlete thing to do. I mean, obviously he has the money, right? You know, guy had a nearly 100 mile an hour slap shot. He's getting paid for it. But like, sorry, he's super into like gaming and computers. He bought, No, and he would buy things one at a time.

So he's clearly doing it himself. Yeah. Which is like based AF. That's cool. He could obviously afford to have somebody else build him an extreme edition computer with a, you know, high capacity vertex 3 SSD, whatever the exact specs were. My argument, because someone insomniac in chat said, Luke taking this stance when Linesis refresh his computer lasts how many times.

I understand where you're coming from. I don't think that's a valid argument at all. The reason why I would say that is looking at how I got into the hobby. A big part of the reason why I got into the hobby was because, oh my God, it is so much cheaper and more accessible than cars. It was like, can I go down one of these two paths, cars or computers? And it was like, well, one is hilariously expensive, requires tons of room, lots of kind of expensive tools or access to them. And oh my God, things break all the time and they cost a lot and blah, blah, blah, blah. and the other one, I can enter with no tool costs at all.

Well, you could buy a boogie screwdriver to do it. Maybe, yeah. Or not. Or just borrow your dad's, which he like almost certainly has at least a like Phillips screwdriver. It's like the most common thing ever to work on computers. And then when I first got into it, like my stuff wasn't nice, but it played games just fine. Dude, the entry level I can play friend slop games computer right now is still very cheap. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm on here right now.

Like, one of our discussion questions that we hadn't got to yet, I was I was prepping for it, is like, hey, how cheaply could you do just like an OptiPlex build these days? And it's still actually not that bad. I don't like this one. I don't like just 8 gigs of RAM. That's also more expensive than like... Another one I liked better. Well, okay, remember though, I'm looking for eighth gen.

Yeah. So, eighth gen, 16 gigs RAM. You got to watch out for the shipping, though. It's $100 shipping on this bad boy. But that's to us. That's to us. That's international shipping. Yeah, okay.

If this was domestic shipping in the U.S., it would be considerably cheaper. Zero dollars import. I wonder if part of the shipping is that the imports included. It is. It's part of eBay's whole... They have depots that, US sellers ship to

and then they handle all of the paperwork so that the international shipping goes smoothly it's a whole thing. Yeah. But anyway, it's 16 gigs RAM, 250 gigs SSD so you're still going to need to probably pop a hard drive in there. You're going to need a GPU but we actually have like a 1080 retrospective

coming soon and we found that the 180TI in particular is actually still very usable so for probably around $250 ebucks. You could you could friend slop it with all your friends.

And that's just like grabbing a pretty quick eBay listing. There's a lot of the stuff that I got when I was first starting was helping people fix their computers. I don't know. A friend would want to build the computer, so I'd help them build the computer.

They would want to upgrade the fans that came with the case. So they'd replace the fans that came with the case. They have a few computer fans now. They don't have any use for it. All right, okay, those are my computer fans now. Just little things like that as you're going along. It's a hobby that is very effective for flipping parts. You have 100 and 100 bucks more than you had before.

You can go on Facebook Marketplace. You can sell your GPU for some cash. Combine that with the 100 extra bucks you had and get a very significant increase in GPU and just plug that into the system you currently have, most likely. You can keep using things like your case for a very long time. Apparently, Jeff Gehrling still has like one of his first ones. Nice. It still uses it.

Yeah, even right now when it's like the worst, I was saying the, I think I slightly misspoke, which got people to dive on me immediately again, which is confusing to me, but whatever. I think I said something like I was surprised by that price. That isn't what I meant. I meant I was shopping for Dell Optiplexes or Dell somethings during last Scrappyard Wars. And what I was trying to point out is that that is, even those systems are significantly more expensive than they were. And still, that's not a crazy amount to get into a fresh new hobby. No.

I don't think I would put this in the category of luxury hobby. I think that's a big jump. No, I think that's actually fair. And Pancrat's posted in chat, you're not fitting a 1080 in there, lull. To which I will reply, not with that attitude. Cut it. not with that attitude but with a bit of

with a bit of handiwork anything engage with the part of the hobby that's really fun anything can fit in anything yeah you can figure it out I believe in you oh man and yes I did not factor

I did not factor in an extra power supply though so you will need a better power supply in order to run a 1080 or a 1080 or something like that but the power draw of just that card isn't going to be super high so you could get a fairly low cap power supply for not a crazy amount of money. As long as it has the connectors or you can

figure out a way to get conductors connected to... Which is fun? Which is cool unless you break it and $100 is a lot of money to you like it was in the early days of us pursuing this hobby. Oh dude, the panic attacks I had at times. But the... The panic and the stress is part of the fun.

Is what makes the payoff so worth it. and like trust me guys I get it I understand what you're trying to project it sucks right now it's expensive right now yeah it's still a hobby that people can get into with not a ton of cash no you're not going to have some sick

5090 water cooled amazing you know it has that screen thing from Corsair that you can mount anywhere and all this other fancy crazy but you know what nobody has that stuff I think this is something that like, yeah, I think people really, really don't realize

how rare the customers for this stuff are because it's all over, like, your Instagram feed or whatever. Battle stations. But I worked at the computer store. Do you know how few people buy $1,000 CPUs? Yeah.

Like, that's rare. Do you know how few people are buying top of the line GPUs in the grand scheme of things? How, what a time? tiny, tiny percentage of the market they make up. Most people are just like running a regular computer. When I was building a bunch of computers for myself, for my friends, all that kind of stuff,

everybody was sitting on 60 series. It was boogey if you got a 70. No one got an 80. 90s were absurd. Was 90 even a thing yet? Probably not even. Yeah, I don't think they had other nomenclature for their... 8 Ultra was a thing for...

a bit and then oh yeah no no hold on there were 90s so uh i think a 590 was a dual gp u yeah so 90s i was still building computers for friends in that era so yeah okay and it's like nobody got those carts yeah i'm trying to think of the first dual gp u was the 5950 x2 was it i oh man i wow i used to know this stuff 5950 x2 gp u is that right oh man no

No, no, the 7950 something. 7950 X2. What was it called? 7950 GX2, man, that thing was so cool. It's got the whole two stacked PCBs, two whole separate coolers, internal SLO bridge. There's PCB1. Here's PCB2. You got the, oh man, you got the...

Hold on, where's the bridge chip go? There it is. go. Why does it keep changing which picture I'm looking at? Can I zoom now? Oh, come on touchpad. Don't let me down. It let me down. I'm over it. Uh, the point is very cool, very expensive. Almost literally nobody bought them. Yeah. They're unheard of. It also depends on like the circles you're in and if the only people you're hearing talk about computer stuff is dudes on the internet that only get views on their videos when they show the super fancy expensive cards, then you're just going to see the super fancy expensive cards.

And also that's, but that's what companies market too, because it's Halo marketing. That's what, and it works. You don't, and you see across so many industries, PCs, fashion, like the amount of effort and money and time that companies spend promoting their top-of-the-line experience, that almost nobody will actually buy, but because it's cool and sexy, it creates brand appeal, and then you go in and you actually buy the thing you can actually afford.

It's marketing 101. So... I have talked on this show almost as many times as I possibly can since I learned this piece of information that a buddy of mine's son was using a 1080 to play on decently high settings at decently solid frame rates, arc raiders.

Yeah. I've pointed that out, like as many times as I've, reasonably can. And it's worth noting. Because I'm trying to promote the idea that you don't have to upgrade. You don't have to spend crazy amounts of money. And it's worth noting that compared to like our previous $69 gaming PCs that we've done in the past,

this Optiplex was quite a bit more expensive. But that's because I went out of my way to pick something with a six core processor. Like I was, I was going for something that wasn't quite. That's a decent machine. That wasn't quite just, you know, barely usable today and unusable tomorrow. Like this, you could actually get a couple of years out of this thing. it's worth putting a little bit of work into fixing it up.

So I did that on purpose. You could get something cheaper. Hey, speaking of getting things cheaper, according to Bloomberg's Mark German, Apple is preparing an Apple upgrade leasing program with Clarna that wouldn't help you get things cheaper at all, but would let you pay a monthly fee for devices instead of buying them outright

with the option to upgrade at the end of the lease. So is Apple just a financial engineering company now? Like, what are we talking about here? Apple already offers an iPhone upgrade program that lets customers finance and eventually own an iPhone, but this new program is a broader leasing program, which would reportedly include iPhones, Apple Watches, iPads, and Macs. iPhones and Apple Watches would have two-year leases,

while Max and iPads would be leased for three years before customers could upgrade or return the device. The program is aimed at making Apple products more affordable up front by spreading payments over time while also encouraging customers to upgrade to newer devices on a regular schedule. Our discussion question, this is kind of funny, is I'm not sure how they do this in America and the rest of the world,

but how is this any different from a Canadian phone plan where you just slowly pay off your phone over the course of your plan? What makes this different slash special? I don't know. You get to give Apple the money? and Florida even though this would you lease a piece of tech

I mean I think we've talked about that enough on the show I don't think we have to do that particular discussion topic but like here's a crazy idea Apple free of charge what if if you're reaching the point where your customers literally can't afford it anymore

what if you just like and I mean I ask someone who loves technology and loves progress this might This might be out of character for me, but what if you just chillax for a second? What if the new iPhone doesn't cost more than the last iPhone? Try it for one year just to see what it's like. You might like it. You know, as crazy as that sounds, they might have learned something from the Neo.

Well, they increase the price of the Neo. But wasn't it like relatively reasonable based on memory prices going? still pretty reasonable. Yeah. Maybe they, maybe they did. But then why do they need all, why do they need

a device leasing partnership with the partner? Its full name is MacBook Neo, right? I believe so. iPhone Neo. iPhone Neo.

The one. But then what cut down processor would they put in an iPhone Neo, a watch chip? Like, what are we talking about here? Why not?

Yeah, why not? Sure, thanks, Dan. They got those. No, I mean, like, seriously.

Okay, then what do they put in a cheap, watch, Dan. What do they put in the Apple Watch Neo, Dan? Time. Just put the watch pit. Wait, your feet actually aren't touching. Sorry? They are. They're hitting. Here, I'm hitting the floor. You can look. You can verify if you'd like. All right.

For them to not be touching would look like this. I don't know. It doesn't look that different. But the point is they're definitely touching. The point is they're definitely touching. The point is they're definitely touch. All right. Whatever's in a TI-84. Yeah, you can just get a Cassio.

You can write Apple on it with a sharp beat. Okay. Hey, LTT Labs. Had some new articles this week. I haven't read them yet, but you want to talk about it? Stuff. Yeah.

There's multiple, I don't know if we talked about it on the show last week, but there was the 1080 article. And ever since then, there's been three, uh, we'd be pumping.

out articles right now. It's been really fun. I've been really enjoying this series, the LLOM quantization. I've read part one and two and all the supplementary material and videos. Ucars has really been running with this. It's been, it's been cool to see him do this. Yeah. It's been, it's been awesome. Labs article released from the LLM quantization series. That was 2.5, right? Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah. This is an unplanned part. Oh, right, the 0.5 was unplanned, I guess. unplanned part slash article to focus on the floating point number format and how it works this one has some myeth but it's fun you should go check it out um i found the the the math to be not too over the top so far like it's dumbed down enough that i was going to say that's that's

largely the the right and baby yep um good job eukarsh but uh also labs article looking at intel's intelligent bias control 3.5 announced with the arc g3 series of chips it advertises that it will not operate the P-Cores under 14 watts. We found that it is actually more complicated and interesting than that, turning off some of the E and LPE cores as well. There's almost zero information about IBC available online, so we thought we'd try to characterize it. We showed intel our results, and they said that it is behaving as expected. Yeah, Tom Peterson was very, very smug about intelligent bias control, even though it's something that on the surface did not really sound that different

from what anyone else had been doing with sharing power budgets between CPUs and GPUs. But he seemed to be, and he would know, under the impression that this was quite differenter and betterer. and so apparently it's quite differenter, which is pretty cool to see. I wish they would have just communicated, you know, more of it more directly, but sure, yeah, I guess leaving it to us to discover is fun too. Finally, Microsoft is experimenting with ad-supported Xbox game streaming.

They're testing a free tier with Xbox insiders allowing players to stream select owned games in one-hour sessions without a cloud gaming subscription. Microsoft says that ads will appear before gameplay, not during it. The test is meant to keep gameplay uninterrupted, while paid cloud gaming options remain ad-free. That's the most boil the frog thing. So they kind of contradict themselves here,

because it's in one-hour sessions, after which time they will not put up an ad that interrupts your gameplay, but you will have to re-authenticate, and they will put an ad before you start. a session, which presumably if you've been gaming for an hour would be in the middle of your gameplay. Maybe I'm missing something here. According to the Xbox folks,

ads should provide value, avoid interrupting gameplay, meet Xbox's quality standards, clearly identify what is being advertised, and fit player expectations on each platform. The goal is to make cloud gaming more accessible by giving more players a lower cost way

to stream the games they own. Mm-hmm. So I think the most interesting discussion question we have here is Microsoft says ads should create value. In your experience, what does that look like? What ads might you like to see before a gaming session or before the next hour of your gaming session that could add value to you? I'm trying to, I'm trying to really genuinely. I can actually hear. I can actually hear the gears turning in his head case right now.

Like I was really, he's thinking so hard. I was genuinely trying to find like, is there anything? Is there possibly anything? Is there some charitable interpretation of this? Yeah. I don't think so. I got, I have to imagine the ad value is like to Microsoft. They don't mean to the, do they mean to the user?

You mean to the user, Luke? They're not going to say ad value to Microsoft. I mean, that would be easy. see. There's no, I don't. I mean, there is, oh, man, I think that just means high success rate. I think so too. Because if, which obviously, which obviously means beneficial for the company, beneficial for Microsoft, but they're just packaging it in a different way. And look, get ready for the 1800th hot take from me so far this WAN show. are good.

But I believe that if we can get an ad for one of our products that we think is really great in front of someone who buys it and enjoys it, that's actually not terrible for them. The primary holder of value in that scenario is not the consumer, though. No, I'd say it's the ad serving platform. I think you could argue that if you genuinely see something and you're like, oh, cool, that like solves a problem or looks like a thing I've been wanting or saves me time or inspires me in whatever way sure and then you buy it and you're and your feet not stink sure and you're happy about the result then I can say there was added value we stacked three Ws I still think the

primary W holder is you know the the ad the person serving the ads oh yeah obviously they're the they're the they're the they're W prime they're the top W. W. W. W. Prime. Oh, man. It's our classic question.

What are some examples of... It does. W. Prime is still a thing. That's so cool. Man, when's the last time you went on major geeks? Oh, it's been 10 million years. When's the last time this was updated? Ooh.

Yeah. Okay. I was going to say, I don't know if this is really a thing still. W. Prime is a leading multi-threaded benchmark for X. 36 processors. Sorry, is that a Black Friday yet? Here? What the? What? Okay, well, I'm clicking it.

Maybe it will generate value for me. I don't know what that is. Good luck, Sean. Okay. Summer sale on iobit.com. Driver booster pro keeps over 18 million drivers up to... I need that many drivers. None of this is an endorsement. No.

Just throwing that out there. Whoa, but hold on. I have to order now, Luke. It's 500 milliseconds. Wait, no, that it's going down. I've never seen milliseconds before. I've never seen milliseconds on the counter. You have 15 minutes? Yeah. That's so much time. I have 15 minutes and 24 seconds, 23 seconds and 300 milliseconds.

Can you leave that open another time? I'm going to see what happens. Yeah, I will. 100%. Yeah, thank you. Are both of these in sync? Are they not? They're too far away for me to see them both with. my gaze. Okay, well, we'll let them go.

We'll let them go. Okay. That'd be so funny if they weren't. I think they are, though. Exxon Fang says, no, you're going to lose the discount if you leave it open. AdSported game streaming makes me want to die. Okay, next topic. That's it.

It's time for After Dark. Okay. We made it. Ray. I will choose to... Another Wandshow. Consume less, but buy the things I own as much as possible. Hooray.

Hopefully soon, you get to keep doing one of those. And it just doesn't become impossible. Oh. Oh. Well, yeah, that. Womp. All right. Coms.

LLD. Any guesses on when we will see the Steam Deck 2? Amazing, it's not a question about the frame. I know Valve will likely wait for components to get cheaper first. And Luke, has anyone told you you look a little like Will Riker from Star Trek, the New Generation? Is he white and does he have a beard? Dan, unacceptable. What?

Unacceptable. Are you trying to trigger me? Star Trek, the new generation? I thought he said next. No, I said new. You said new? He knew what he did. Did you see?

No, get back on here. Did you see? Did you see what he did? Unacceptable. They will be now that Linus has pointed out. Unacceptable, Daniel Bessor. Not okay. Not okay.

No, no rebuttal. You're done. You're off. I don't even know what the question was anymore. I'm so upset right now. Star Trek, the new. generation. Yeah, what was it?

He's so easy. He's so easy to upset. They need to, they need to. I gotta not do that. He gets upset. Any guesses on when we'll see the new Steam Deck, too. I'm sorry, Linus. I do, I do feel like personally that Valve feels a little burned on hardware prices right now.

I know, right? So I think they are probably, even if they were planning on releasing one in like late 2027, which was an idea that I had in my brain a while ago, I suspect they might be pushing that plan back because I think they don't want to release anything in the hardware environment that we're currently in. Straight up. 100% agree. However, I do think that the pressure is going to build over the next couple of years when the

PlayStation 6 launches. What's going to happen is games that are targeting PlayStation 6 are going to start coming out. And they're going to suffer. Straight up not going to run on the Steam deck. Straight up. Not going to happen. Hello, DLL. question for Luke, maybe.

Tips on motivating developers on testing more and being proud of their work. I feel like our team is like so, like takes pride in their work so much. Higher developers who take pride in their work, maybe is step one, but I'll let you, I'll let you carry on. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's tough. Testing more is interesting. I don't know if you can train people to take pride in their work. You have to inspire, not train. It might be better for them if you let them do some like developer experience style stuff where you make sure that you're giving them cycles of time where they can make things that already exist better, make them easier to maintain, improve the user experience.

It's a little bit hard to tell without knowing what you're building. How many tests do you actually need? If you do need that money Depends what you're doing Is it an MRI machine or is it a You know Fun little web game Yeah

You may still need a certain Yeah Like I guarantee you this wasn't tested that much At Zium said 80% code coverage And it's like yeah I mean I doubt it I discovered this when I was doing an audit I think I told you about this Luke I had no idea that this existed

And I Yeah you told me how you found it Don't get hit by the red cameras Yeah. Crazy. Crap. No! No! No!

You got owned. No! We should update this. Ah! No! We should update this to computer components and make it so that RAM is the really bad one. Oh, I'd be so down. Bring back a classic LTT reference.

Yeah. I don't know. It doesn't, I don't think it comes down to convincing. I think it comes down to inspiring. Man, these MacBooks. I'm getting me. Set certain benchmarks. Find user feedback.

Show the impact of actions. Make sure that they understand, you know, what they're doing matters and why. Yeah. Not sure. I'm not sure. Sorry, I don't think that's an incredible answer. Honestly, without knowing the thing that you're building, it becomes a little bit more difficult. If I knew the thing you're building, I could probably answer more thoroughly.

I have spent almost a million dollars. Damn. Next question. He just got roasted by Red Camera. Hi, DLL. What's a piece of tech you've trained yourself to work around rather than just replace? Oh, okay. This is going to be about the biggest first world problem ever,

but the 115-inch TCL TV in my home theater does not have dedicated IR signals for power on and power off. Oh, my steak. It's just so juicy. You know what? My lobster. When you're trying to... Why is my lobster so blurry? I have to eat it out of a bowl.

When you're trying to make a setup that is... It's so tender, my knife just... I don't even need it. I bought this amazing knife. I can't even use it. Do you guys want to hear the answer or not? Sorry, sorry, I wasn't even listening. So the issue is that it doesn't have IR signals for power on and power off.

It only has a power toggle. signal. And the idea there is that, well, whenever it's off, you should press the power toggle button and it will turn on like you would want it to. And when it's on, you should press the power toggle button and it will turn off like you'd want it to. But many other TV manufacturers, even if they're remote, only has a toggle and even if they do have an IR code for toggle, they also still maintain power on and power off. Now, in third, theory in a perfect world, CEC is the solution. You just power on your other device and it passes through CEC commands and your TV magically powers on. But in the real world, if you happen to have

more than a couple of devices and especially if one of them happens to be a PC, CEC either isn't a thing or it doesn't work very well. Even have a $50 CEC dongle connected to my PC right now in that room. That it just, it, so what will happen is, the most recent version of trying to get this working is that any of the other devices with CEC, if I'm using CEC to rely on it to turn on the TV,

will create what's called a CEC storm, which can accidentally wake up the PC, which then, because it also has CEC, will then grab the input and switch it over into the wrong thing. It's a whole fucking mess. And if TCL just had, power on and power off

IR commands, then I could just use my old Harmony remote, and I could press one button, and it would turn everything on in sync, turn everything off in sync, and see the problem with the toggle, so you can use the toggle as well, but the issue is that if anybody is like standing in the wrong spot

or does something, or our command doesn't go through for whatever reason, they can end up out of sync. So your receiver and your computer will turn on and your TV will turn off, and then you press the button again, and your TV turns on and your computer and your receiver turn off.

And if you're trying to set up a setup that is family user friendly and that you want people to actually be able to use, like we have a karaoke setup in there. And if my little kids can't figure out how to turn it on, they're never going to use it. And like, that sucks. Like, why even have it then?

Like, I'm not here. It's Friday night. I'm not at home. If nobody can use it if dad's not here, that's stupid. That's not technology-making. our lives better. That's technology just being present and being a cost and taking up space. It sucks. And so figuring this out has actually caused me many, many lost hours. Because CEC is just,

it's such a nightmare. Like my NVIDIA shield actually has very granular controls of CEC. So you can go and you can say turn it on. And when the shield turns on, tell other things to switch the input, turn other things on. When other things turn on, do wake the shield. You do do do this, do do that. It's got like six different toggles for all the, thank you for that. It's got six different toggles for all the different potential triggers from either side. Meanwhile, my AV receiver just has one thing. CET on, CET off. That's it. Great. Thank you. Not actually helpful. And then the same with this, this year. useless TV that doesn't have power on and power off commands.

So, of course, it wouldn't have proper granular controls in the CEC for it as well. So you'll end up with stupid stuff. Like, one thing, oh, and, oh, don't even get me started on the deplorable mess that Logitech left Harmony in when they EOL'd everything. Like, if I could just get the Harmony software to do exactly what I told it to do, like, I came up with this one crazy solution where I was going to use the shield. I'll turn on the shield first and have it turn on the TV

and then turn on the PC, switch the input, and then turn the shield off. And I could set the shield to turn things on but not turn them off. Or no, what was it? Turn things on but not be turned off by other things. And then I wanted to create a power down sequence that would actually power up the shield,

turn off the PC and the receiver, no, turn off the PC, then have the shield turn off, which would turn off the receiver and the TV. Like I had like figured it out. this is the kind of stupid bullshit work around that no one should have to do

but like I was at the end of my I was at the end of my freaking rope and then that ultimately didn't work because the Harmony software doesn't allow you to just arbitrarily turn this on and then turn that on and then put a delay anywhere you want you can only put delays in certain

spots and I'm like if it just completely got out of my way and let me do whatever I wanted then I would have automations that would work and yes I know that there are replacements to the Harmony but none of them solved the underlying issue of that my fucking TLC TV doesn't have dedicated power on and power off commands. And I don't want to replace it because to replace it would cost me like anywhere between 20 and $30,000. So, so, so that and it still looks pretty good.

Well, it's a pain in the butt. Yeah. It's huge. You got haul it out of there and yeah. Kind of a nightmare. For me, I don't think I have an amazing answer. I think mine is more just that the Bluetooth in my car has become unreliable. I don't really want to do surgery on my car and replace the media console.

So what I have done is I bought one of these things. Let me see. I'm aware of the unfolded circle. I actually have one at home and I'm going to try it out. I don't know if it's going to help though. So the best solution I can come up with now is that I need to create a Jarvis. a set home kind of thing that uses the camera view in the home theater to determine if the TV is on or off. And then...

Can you try to do that with Odysseus? And then try to figure out some kind of an automation so that it will re-sync it if it gets out of sync. That's like, that's the only solution I can come up with right now that has a chance of succeeding. So knowing that the problem exists, but that sounds pretty cool. But yeah, yeah, I bought one of these off of U-Green's actual website because I didn't want to get off Amazon and I

you know my phone can connect to two different Bluetooth devices so while it's sitting there repeatedly trying to actually connect to my actual car and failing over and over and over again I can just connect to the U-Green adapter it doesn't sound quite as good as just natural Bluetooth right to the car I'm assuming because of the OX connector

but it sounds pretty all right it's not the end of the world or anything Probably more to do with just like low quality Bluetooth. Okay. I never really don't into it. I just assumed it was the OX, but yeah, I don't know. And I will hear, there's like a slight amount of lag that will happen when it finally connects the other Bluetooth connection to my car. So I'll hear the song just kind of like, and then keep playing.

Oh yeah. And I'll be like, okay, cool. I can switch to the Bluetooth my car now. And like usually it's not a problem. And usually the Bluetooth will just connect automatically. But every once in a while, it'll take like 10 minutes. And it's like, nah, I could have been listening to music or a podcast or whatever. And that's just kind of annoying.

This was like an 18 Canadian dollar plug it in once. It has worked every single time forever since then. Sure, why not? Cheers, DLL. Regarding our luggage weight chat six months back, it's OSHA limits for baggage handlers. That's why the cap is per bag, not total. It's like, I think it's 50 pounds per bag, which is the maximum single person carry.

Yes. So, Flair, totally aware. So then why is it that what they actually wanted me to do was just pay more? If they're not allowed to lift the bag at the weight that I had, I'm aware of that. Maybe they don't have one person. That was not why I lost it. Why I lost it was that my bag was well within the limit of what they are allowed to carry. it was just over the weight allowance

before you have to pay a bit more for it. And my partner's bag was like 20 pounds under the limit while I was like two and a half pounds over it. They would have been fine. Howdy, DLO? Could we get a material cost breakdown for the socks? I'm an AVE tech and these socks would have been magical, but $15 a sock is tough.

Side note, the screwdriver has been a reliable tool. material breakdown I think it's actually right on the packaging 33% polyester 30% merino wool 18% nylon 13% acrylic 6% spandex

they almost had 60% marino wool but what we actually found was that there was a significant amount more pilling on the 60% merino wool due to the natural fibers and we have enough

of it in the current composition to this is this is an area where we actually have to be really careful because we did independent third-party testing and found that because of the thickness of it which is they do to the cushion which is like a desirable thing that we don't want to get rid of because of the thickness it doesn't actually dry very fast like I will not I will not advertise this as a quick drying sock but what I can say subjectively, as the person who's been doing a lot of the wear testing for it, is that when and if my feet do get exposed to moisture, either through their own secretion of moisture or outside factors, they still do subjectively a good job of making my feet not feel

super wet, so they still have that natural wicking quality. And that was something that we weren't really sure how to sell. So we don't, so we just don't really talk about it in any of the marketing on the site or on the packaging. But what I found was that with the 30% merino will, you still get that benefit. And so not having the ugly pilling and having something that kind of looks a little nicer and feels more reassuringly quality after a few washes. And still having all the benefits of the natural fiber as far as, you know, my wear testing goes. That was why we ultimately landed on this composition. As for why it's so expensive. I don't know if you noticed, but everything has gone up in price. And we are not, like,

outside of the price band for like a high-quality marino wool sock. And we've got the copper infusion that helps with odors. I'm not allowed to say antimicrobial, but what I can say is that everyone knows where odors come from, and it reduces odors. Wow. I didn't say nothing. Stunning. So it's a really cool, it's a really cool treatment.

And, I mean, creator warehouse team's got to get paid. Lifetime, limited lifetime warranty costs money. I mean, that's something that I feel like I've kind of harped on before and people get mad at me for it sometimes. But like, there is no free lunch. Ultimately, the consumer pays for everything. And we felt that in terms of creating a total package around these that was going to be competitive, it was going to be, we had to weigh the cost of what that warranty is likely to cost us against what our positioning is going to be in the market. and what we determined was that it's probably going to,

if we didn't do it, we would still be so close to competitors who do offer it that the value proposition would not be as good. So we're better off baking some warranty fulfillment into the cost, understanding that that is going to drive the price up a little bit. Like it's all, it's like boring business stuff. But why does it cost so much? Because things have gotten freaking expensive.

We actually had a quarterly financial meeting. Luke was in it the other day. And one of the things that came up is that due to tariffs and fuel surcharges and just general inflation, our cost of goods sold is up by deep into double digit percentage over the last. honestly not that long of a period of time and we've done everything in our power to try to keep our our external prices reasonable as much as we can for customers. There's actually been some, it might sound weird and my God, am I old and lame, but it's actually been some really cool stuff that's been done to try to keep that stuff down.

That team's been working. I know. And it's, and you know what, it's been really, it's been really discourage. I think both for the team and for and for ownership to be very blunt with you guys right now. We're deep in the WAN show, so, you know, hopefully I'm not going to, you know, say anything that's going to get me into too much trouble here. But like, everyone in an org working like harder for a worse result is super demoralizing across the board. And especially when the whole thing is so unnecessary, um, it's really frustrating. it's really frustrating.

And so, yeah, I just want to take a moment, I guess, then to acknowledge the incredible work that the team is doing to make this less shit. That's happening actually across the board because CW is dealing with, you know, oil issues, costs of everything going up, largely related to oil issues, but sometimes not 100%.

Tariff nightmares. The LMG side is dealing with, dealing with, from talking to a bunch of creators recently, it feels like all of Vod is slightly down. And one of the underlying assumptions is that it's just watch time going to shorts. So all of Vod is slightly down right now. And the PC space has hurt like most of anything because everything's just so expensive. And the hobby is very difficult to be interested in right now because the stuff that's coming out isn't all that interesting or new or crazy. or it's just for AI, and it's all mind-bogglingly expensive compared to how expensive it used to be.

So it's tough to make content in that realm that people want to watch and engage with, and then you get on the floatplane side. We have a similar problem when it's tough for people to be interested in watch and engage with this type of content. People are going to unsubscribe. And also, we're dealing with AI pressures where if we're in a data center, that data center rack space, is going to have people that want to bid on it for way more. Also, that data center who has to constantly buy and refresh their hardware, is paying way

more for it now. So they are going to be, in some cases, massively increasing their prices and even just the services, the software as the services that we're using, they are running into the same problems with their bills, therefore they are going to increase the prices on us. So actually every single segment within the umbrella organization, is like under some form of like effectively attack. Want the kicker? Yeah.

Badminton shuttles. No way. I think you told me this. Mega inflation. I never really thought about it. So yeah, I guess literally everything. So this one's fun because apparently it's a duck feather shortage that comes down to changing dietary habits in China. Okay.

And you can only use the feathers from the left wing, which really doesn't help. And it's a whole thing. Yeah, basic. So somebody in Full Point, Chats said, Full Point is sinking. Question mark, question, mark, question mark. Katowis said. So I want to address. We are not going quietly into the night.

I just mentioned. We've got some cool ideas. I just mentioned that the CW team has been moving and shaken and making things happen and doing some really cool creative stuff. Don't count Flowplane out. We've got some strategies. AJ's been cooking up some stuff we can do that will likely make it into videos. I'll say that much so far.

I don't want to commit to plans because the plans are still being made. But we're not just sitting here going like, oh, no, the bill's going up. I guess we're just screwed. We're working on making a... Full Plain's whole thing was that it was supposed to be defendable. sustainable and defendable against the bill changes that other companies might have. The idea was that we were supposed to be able to be free from lock-in and all that kind of stuff. So this is just our biggest test.

Rod posted in float plane chat. You could just fill the smash champs building with water. Play underwater hockey and call it splash champs. We wouldn't even have to make that many changes to the sign. the one letter. It's actually genius. From the two letters, sorry. My God. I mean, you could take an M. Hold on, you could make the L out of part of the M.

So you just buy one more P and then you're in good shape. Yeah. Yeah, that's fantastic. Oh, this is interesting. Radin 428 says Hawaii also imports lots of Chinese feathers for making cloaks, etc. Same shortage. We use the entire bird, though. prices up and can't get some types at all. I guarantee you it's the left wing you can't get any of. For making cloaks, they said?

Yeah, I don't know what a Hawaiian cloak looks like, but what I do know is that we need to drop in on this timer and find out if I can still get my $3 off. Get it before it's gone. It's, oh my God, this is so like early 2000s web. Look at it turning my cursor into a popsicle. And look, it's 310 bucks. I don't want 92% off expired.

Okay. So if I actually lose it? I mean, can I just refresh it? It's $30 now. So it's just. That's crazy. There's no way. Hold on.

There's no way. Okay, buy now. Hold on. Can I still get my $3 off? I want my $3 off. Where's my $3 off? Dude, scammer gets scammed. You took too long.

I got red. That's actually crazy. I can't believe they actually followed through on it. Wow, they're committed. They commit to the grift. I'm also surprised by just refreshing you can't like get through it. That's wild. Everyone's like, clear cookie, clear cookie.

Guys, we know there's ways around. Yeah, we know it's a cookie. Yeah. I'm just surprised they actually like did it. Yeah, me too. I thought it was going to hit zero and they're going to be like, we're going to be nice to you this time. Last chance, last chance.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guess Conrad we know. All right, Dan, hit me. Sure. Would you recommend the SteamCube for people that are moving off consoles and looking for their first PC? It's hard for me to recommend the Steam machine at the price that it's at.

Yeah. And right now, I would say that you just shouldn't move off your console. Like, I think the timing is so bad. Okay, here's a question. When do you think of the time? I mean, it would be better. It's hard for me to say because I don't know what PlayStation 6 pricing is going to be. TSM's going up.

Yeah. Memory is not signaling that it's going down. Right now I can buy a PlayStation 5 for like under $500. This is literally half the price. That's a way better deal. This is half the price of a steam machine. Dude, PC's so cooked right now. Yeah, $470.

I mean, the last scrapyard wars, I literally won it by buying a used PlayStation 5. And it wasn't even that bad then. Wow, that equation just got way better. How much was worse? Do you remember? I want to say 325 CAD or something. 375 CAD. Even back then, meaning that those prices are probably

decently similar to where they used to be. Yeah, I mean, this is not a bad deal. No. $425 bucks plus $35 shipping. You get a controller, an HDMI cable, a USB charging cable, and a PlayStation 5. 98.6% positive ratings out of 9.2,000 ratings.

Like, just, this is the disc edition, too. Just buy it. Like, no, don't buy a Steam machine. Kind of depends on what console they're on. And you'll be able to play GTA 6, which you will not be playing on a Steam machine. This is a more performant computer. Like, for the difference.

You could buy this PlayStation. You could buy a $500 PC. Do all your computing. on the PC to your gaming on the PlayStation. Like, look, I'm obviously, I'm a very pro-PC guy. I freaking love PC. I love PC gaming, but... Playstations are a rip-in deal right now.

I'm also not out here to give you bad advice. Yeah. Rod Rosenberg. Okay, Rod is forwarding a message from the guy who, yeah, thank you. Jill. The guy who made the Linux migration tool. We talked about it on WAN last week.

It helps you migrate from Windows over to Linux. supports a whole bunch of distros does some really cool stuff I'm currently doing a quadruple dual boot test because this tool was originally not built to install multiple Linux distros also kudos for getting the first part of my name correct good job Linus

the second part is Dutch for Pigeon sick okay cool nice keep up the good work that's awesome it's a cool tool man hell yeah sweet thanks for forwarding that rod Dan hit me Hi, DLL. I am a university professor and I'm getting...

Oh, speaking of Dan hit me. I ran into the guy who made the thing. Me too. I hope it's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. He specifically requested that I come and find them. Yeah, it's over there. We should show it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he just, he made a little thing. We don't have it plugged in right now. Yeah, yeah. I told him, I told him that I, uh, that I kept it on a shelf behind me. And he assumed that we had thrown it out immediately.

No. And I was like, no, shut up. You're wrong. Dude, it's so funny. It was amazing. This is art, man. Oh, yeah. Why would we throw it away? This is like, this is one for the archive. Yeah, we're keeping this forever. I'm so sorry. That's fantastic. Anyway, sorry, hit me, Dan. Hi, DLL. I'm a university professor, and I'm getting iPad kids in my first year programming.

We were talking about this earlier. One couldn't even type. Just two finger pecking. With AI tools, well, the next generation, I mean, oh, gee, I can't. what they don't understand as well as file systems are a big one right yeah with AI tools will the next generation even need keyboards I mean they'll need them but will they know how to use them that's the question can't they just talk to like uh co-pilot Siri Google there's a meme there's a it's I'm pretty sure it's just a meme but there is a Silicon Valley meme where programmers are getting rid of their keyboards because they're just speaking to their agents I don't I don't see that is as too much

of a meme, honestly, given another six months. I don't want to sit there and freaking talk all the time. I want to type. Does that make me, all the kids are wrong, boomer? Boomer! Sometimes I just want to relax. It's not relaxing. Yeah, but you can sit on the couch with your eyes closed

and just go like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's also... Man, send you me a div. It's always funny to me how obviously forever alone certain developments are. Like, the fact that you can be talking and not disturb anybody tells me so much about you.

jabbering at your computer all day like okay tell me you don't share a space with someone without telling me you don't share a space with someone that's a good point like oh man i'm stunned unintentional self-own going to university yeah for it's a harder development i don't know how type is that's crazy man and the fact that nobody at any point told this kid maybe don't go into software development. Yeah. Or like spend a weekend. Yeah.

On, what is it called? A lot of, a lot of people, I think, just go into software development because they think it's got good money in it.

And I think one of... Still? One of... I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's what you read about. I think maybe one of the reasons

why it's so nice working here and maybe why your developers are so good is because they, like, like it? It's kind of, of like fun and it's their hobby and they just happen to have gone to school for something they enjoy some of them someone didn't go to school they just skip that part yeah started working professionally

yeah i think a lot of yeah i didn't i didn't go to school for this really uh which is it's interesting what are they going to do what are they going to do are we cooked like as a species I think quite literally, like, we're past the one and a half degrees threshold, right? Yeah, quite far. Yeah. Yeah. But that's okay. The solution is to turn on more air conditioning, right?

Yeah. That's how it works. Oh, we just had a record of power use for all time in B.C. Just build more nuclear power. What are you guys talking about? I said to my... I mean, I'm actually kind of pro-nuclear power, but... No, I know.

Everybody should be. I said, like... I'm more green than both of you. I said we should have another ocean. Could you maybe virtue signal harder? Just make another ocean? Yeah, because we're hydroelectric. We don't use stinky buildings.

Yeah, but hydroelectric only works. So just build another mountain. Dan, I think this is... We're just to import Mount Baker. I think this is before your time. Did you know, you're post Banff, right? We did a company workcation to Banff. I'm five.

I wasn't allowed, so I also don't. Yes, I'm post-Bank. So we did an LMG. Dworkcation to Banff. And we went to see a glacier. And they showed us like in actual walking, stepping up the hill, the like spikes in the ground

for how much it was receding every year. And we were like, oh, well, that's not good. What's the solution? And they're like, there isn't one. And we're like, okay. So what's the outcome? And they're like, well, this glacier has water runoff, which is, you know, how it like melts and stuff that fills these bodies of water, which powers all this hydroelectricity.

When it's gone, there will be no electricity. And I was like, oh. Time for nuclear enrichment. Well, I mean, if we're over 1.2, then can we just, like, go back to dirty coal? No, we just need to make an air conditioner for the Earth. So, giant mirrors. Just put the heat. Just put the heat in space.

Wait, data centers in space. Yeah. Well, it's just kind of big ice cube and then put it in the ocean. Maybe we should cool the data centers in space with ACs that dump the data centers in space heat on Earth. Put a big peltier. outside in geosynchronous orbit. Yeah. Watching the data centers in space debate has been fascinating.

I don't know if I can remember the last time that both sides of an argument were so effectively arguing past each other. It's like you've got the one side that's like, they did the math. It's totally possible. They have a ton of experience with building satellites and cooling things in space. and then you've got the other side saying there's a lot of practical problems

like how do you swap a ram stick and also like the costs of the launches which by the way fuel is not getting cheaper and also like it's fucking impractical and stupid not that it's impossible not that the math doesn't work but the real world is not just math and they're just going what we really need to do is not use

use traditional launching mechanisms. What we really need to do is just spin stuff really, really fast. Okay, that thing's cool. I love spin launch. I hope if it ever works, it's really cool. If it ever works, for sure.

Do you guys know what this is? Basically, you just rip it around this thing. You spin it, and then it goes, boom. Yeah. Theoretically. It's like a throwing spacecraft. I think it makes a lot more sense

on the moon to launch things away from the moon. Yeah. On Earth, I don't know. I just push stuff to Mars if you were on the moon. I mean, compared to here, you know, give it a hard kick. Yeah. Okay, let's see. ILD, I recently helped someone connect to Wi-Fi,

eighth-gen-in Intel laptop, and it couldn't find any of the wireless, bands from the newer router and could only connect to the stock at router. AT&T. Stop at. Stop pretending. I'm not pretending. This one's actually really difficult. I ever heard of this before. AT&T. AT&T. There's no ampersand. No, it's a Mars attacks reference. God, I love that movie. Wireless is Black Magic. One of my ongoing problems, boy, am I ever leaning into the first world problems on this stream,

is that this laptop, my Strix Halo laptop, cannot connect to the Wi-Fi access point on the Falcon. It's pretty annoying. Actually, I should have gone with that for my workaround. So what I have to do is I have to connect my Z-Fold 7 to the Wi-Fi in the air. And then I have to enable my mobile hot spot. And then I have to hot spot to my laptop at 38,000 feet. Can we add more things? Can we add more things?

Oh, no. My fruit is too vibrant. My steak is too juicy. My lobster's too buttery. The hot tub's too vibrant. I think my internet not working is actually not a my fruit is too delicious problem. My whiskey's too oaky. My boobble has too

No, my loquois has too much fruit I mean, that would be a problem It's supposed to be basically unpleasant Oh man But yes, I've heard of randomly Wi-Fi things that supposedly are interoperable Just not working with each other Yes, I've heard of that

It sucks, basically Um Yeah Sorry to hear that Hi John D. says my heavy dick drags on the floor Did I say La Crault is LeCroix?

I don't know I think I said LeCroy, I don't know I don't know I think it's like I don't buy TV static. Oh, man. Do people who know what that is anymore? Oh my God, I am old. TV static?

Yeah, you're probably old. All right, hit me down. Hi, LLD. Darn tough socks aren't available in Australia, so I've been waiting for the LTV socks forever. Why not? Luke, what does a typical leg day look like for you? I can't wait to work out and travel in these good socks.

You really have been waiting for them. You bought five pairs. that's crazy four black slash gray and then just to spice it up that one day a week you cut the magenta

very nice I like that very nice that's actually a pretty base load out that actually kind of makes sense to me yeah yeah business in the lots

and party in the few all right tell us about leg day so I have knee problems so I start mine by reverse walking on a treadmill wait wouldn't you start by waiting a bit that reverse walk is awesome

okay I really really liked that. Yeah. I've never, you look like an idiot. How do you keep the food in it though? Oh, that's good. I like that one. That's like a top 10 2026 right there. It is, it is, it is, it is tough on the, uh, it is social anxiety scale because you look psychotic. Oh yeah. Okay, if you have a buddy and you're both doing it. If you have a buddy helps a lot. That's easy. Even if the buddy is just like chatting with you while you do it or something, it helps a ton. You could be doing. any stupid thing in the gym and if someone else is doing it, you feel totally fine about it. I've totally experienced that exact same thing.

I don't think you've done stupid things on the level that some people do in the gym. No, and that's totally true. But I'm also very shy and I worry about pictures of me on Reddit. So I definitely have anxiety about doing stupid things in the gym. And if someone else is doing it, it like goes away. Yeah, unless it's cross-foot. Okay, so the thing is that you're fighting the, resistance of the treadmill. So you actually don't want to turn the treadmill on. You leave it off

and you face backwards on the treadmill and you kind of brace yourself on the arms of the treadmill and then push the treadmill like the right direction. Yeah. But yourself with it unpowered and then that can help warm up your knees. You'll feel it in your quads a little bit as well, but that can help warm up your knees. For me, that's very important. If I don't start my leg days with that, the chance that I end up with some form of injury, like genuinely skyrockets. This is very important for me. Depending on the day, I will also do these weird lunges that I don't know the name of, where the goal is to get your knee kind of like as far over your toe as you can

without bringing your heel off the ground on your lead leg. And then your back leg goes like very, very far back. I also, I don't know if you're supposed to do this. I allow myself to go a little wide with the stance on that, so I don't fall over. But yeah, I will often do those things, maybe while I'm like waiting for someone to do something. From there, once I'm warmed up, again, for knee stuff for me, I will go and I will do a bunch of quite low weight hamstring curls to kind of wake the hamstrings up and stuff. Once I'm done those, I will go and bang out just a bunch of squats because, hell yeah. And then I will go and torture my quads in some way by either doing lunges until I can't or leg extensions or regular lunges.

Or both. Like, like, like, start low weight and then work away up or? I really have. So traditionally I would, I would do some pyramid thing where I'd start on lower weights and then work my way up. What I've been enjoying lately is the bags, because the bags are kind of like weird to hold. And one of the things I like from lunges is just this. stability aspect of like moving with weight. So I'll carry the bags and usually the bags are kind of more annoying to deal with so I will stay fixed, but I'll carry a decently heavy bag.

So it's either that or leg extensions. And again, I'm just like trying to burn down my quads basically. So I'll just go really hard. And then I'll end it again with light hamstring curls because heavy hamstring curls have a tendency to really wreck my knees. So a lot of leg day is like dodge the knee problems, but train the legs. sounds like the biggest ones is the squats and lunges yeah okay i really like squats and lunges squads and lunges are good cool yeah hey when people what a hot take one one quick second sorry gas racing said bags help with balance change shoulders too yeah i'll carry the bags in a variety of ways kind of like surcher by holding it like this or go on one shoulder or go on the other

shoulder i will tend to move them around a decent amount uh because i am trying to shift how the balance works. It's interesting that it said help with balance. Maybe with training balance, I found dumbbells or kettlebells to be the best for balance for me. But I don't actually know what like the answer to that is. One of the reasons why I went to bag was actually because I found it was less stable. I can, I can tell you that the only professional badminton players who have ever showed me how they practice weighted lunges used to dumbbells. Yeah. So that's the only piece of information I can provide. I don't think you guys have weighted bags though.

No, but that's what they do. Oh, yeah. Yeah, in their own gems. Sure. That would be what they do. Weighted lunges are fantastic. Yeah. And I started doing it and he's like, no, no, you have to push off explosively with the weight.

And I'm like, nice. Oh. Well, that's because you guys are trying to go for like pliometric movement and stuff. Sure. Which is awesome. That's very cool. I like that type of training. More?

Yeah. Hit me, Dan. Hey, Wann, people. What hot take of yours from the past five years turned out be totally on the money or turned out to be totally wrong. Ad block is fundamentally piracy. I have seen the, I've seen the conversation dramatically change as people have developed more of a relationship with the creators that they follow and understand the economics of the creator economy better. As people just have become more familiar with the idea, it's not so shocking anymore. There's

still people who are like super offended by that and that's nice. Doesn't really matter. I mean, at the end of the day, I never said, don't pirate. Yeah, you're drawing your own line. What I said was, you know, decide what's right for you, but understand the impact. That's all I ever said. And one of the funniest, and it's been interesting watching the way the diehards who have not given in on this have kind of moved the goalposts. Like one of the big arguments at the beginning was, you know, Google doesn't define it that way on the YouTube platform.

And then it was like shortly after that YouTube did. update their terms of service and was like, yeah, like doing anything that counters are, our ad delivery mechanisms is against TOS. And like, yeah, it's like super against TOS. It's the form of payment for the content that you are consuming. And if it's not worth it to you, then the not pirate version of that is you don't consume it or you do consume it. Or option number three, conveniently in the shape of a hat, is you just own it. And I never said, don't do it, don't own it. I never said don't do it.

I just said own it. That's all. And as for ones that turned out to be totally wrong, I mean, I always go back to this one. Back when that first guy bought a house with Bitcoin, I was like, this is stupid. This will go absolutely nowhere. And now I wish I had had Bitcoin at that time. Yeah, I forgot about the wrong side. So I'll kind of steal similarly from that.

I remember very early days when we were both still at NCIX. We were looking around a bunch of GPUs in the room and I was like, maybe we should put these on benches and mine coins and then just kind of like shrugged and didn't bother. Yeah, we both were like, maybe we should and we both just didn't bother. Yeah. We looked at like how much it took to mine a whole coin and we were like, that would take too many weeks. Yeah, or days even.

Because this was very, very, very really. You only get 10? Yeah. Oh, no, it was way more than that in a block, wasn't it? It was like 50 to 100. It was crazy. So that's, I think about that surprisingly often, because we had so much access to hardware.

We could have actually. And free power. We could have just left it running there. Nobody cared. No, not at all. The thing that ended up being true. I mean, I think the most, the most, like, Luke just crystal balling the future was probably drone warfare,

but I don't know if that was on when. Maybe not on when. I've been talking about that for a long time. Like really long time. Like basically going back like years before the Russia-Ukraine conflict, like talking about how like when is everybody going to figure out that swarms of cheap drones with C4 on them is going to completely invalidate any kind of at the time

modern air defense this is a huge problem how is nobody paying attention to this we had like a ton of conversations about it do you see the do you see Britain's laser gun yeah that's pretty cool very interesting because rate of fire is now

however much power you can feed it that one's pretty cool the range looked actually pretty decent on it but like I mean it's only it's literally an arms race I wonder how a really rapidly spinning drone that you can't really see you will apply to that. Yeah, but it wouldn't be able to, what kind of a payload could it carry?

Tiny, tiny. Right? But then how big of a payload do you need to assassinate a person? If you're shape charging a single person, you might be able to get away with it. It's, it's, it's, the whole thing is very interesting. But it's my argument, and this was a very, very long time ago, but my argument was that the industrial might has always been an incredibly important part of war, especially going back to like the origins of total war with Napoleon and stuff.

And if you look at industrial might right now, it's pretty centralized, bruh. And that centralized place is really good at making what? Batteries. Lots of small cheap. Motors. Yeah. All of those things.

Plastics. Like pretty much everything involved. Cameras, honestly. Like, like honestly everything involved. Chemicals. Yeah. Yeah. Literally everything involved with the drones.

Do you want us to keep listing things? Particularly really good at making. And I'm looking at the equations for how something would go with what kind of volume they could output if China went on a total war path and was just like, okay, every single factory in the country is now doing this. Like, cool, nice laser, bro. I don't know, man. I think we would all be lucky little people if the Russia-Ukraine war is the end of, I mean, it's literally not even the end. We've been watching this with Iran. It's anyways. Yeah. Do you see that Ukrainian drone that's just like made out of plywood? You knew the one I was talking about

immediately. Yeah. That thing is sick. That is wild. It's, uh, the second rev of it. had the way extended range. It's crazy. Yep. The climate wars are going to be nuts. Jamon says China's building a dozen nuclear reactors. Maybe 10x that number. I have no idea how many they're actually building,

but China's working on some really cool, like small modular ones that look sick. And I guarantee you they're building more than a dozen of them. You might be right about the large-scale ones, though. There was some interview. I think it was between Zelensky and Trump, but I actually don't remember. I didn't really care about who he was sitting next to.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you want to go to Moscow to meet with Putin? I won't go to Moscow too many Ukrainian drones there. So funny, dude. Oh, my God. And it was fast. Yeah, well, it's almost like he was a comedian in another life. Yeah.

Yeah. Dude's sharp. That was like, oh, my God. Will you go to... Yeah, anyways. Wild. Last one I got for you today. Also for Luke, I know you're not super impressed with your Switch 2,

but I was just wondering if you're going to pick up Splatoon Raiders. Seems to be Nintendo's take on a looter shooter. Really? A looter shooter? Splatoon Raiders? By Nintendo in current year? It's out now? already?

What is this? I actually really enjoyed the first Spiltoon. I actually, I genuinely thought it was a good game. If it's multiplayer only, honestly, I'm not interested at all.

And honestly, if it's single player The Kaur the Spiralite Islands. Search for treasure. Fighting big. Okay, so there's PVE stuff involved? That's interesting. Salmonoids,

gather salvage, and uncover mysteries of the islands. Is this PVP? How does this work? Tink with your gear. man Tarkov but you're actually

Squid is Single player In this single player Focused game Play as a mechanic Huh Can you play co-op though If you can play co-op

This seems like it would be Super fun co-op Probably just gonna get it If you can play a co-op With your gear Something Something speed tank Power tank

Tactical tank The gameplay looks pretty fun Moving Swims soar Inc. Okay. Okay. The mechanic.

Anyone? Anyone? Different architect. Dealer. Call up. Anyone? I'm going with chat because this is not telling us nothing. Call our friends for help.

You can also join up with up to three other players online or via local wireless. Do you not need the Nintendo thing? The game will scale power automatically to make sure everyone has a good time. Okay. That looks pretty fun. That genuinely looks really fun. very cool there was a double asterisk

on the okay additional games and systems required for multiplayer modes sold separately it doesn't say that you need Nintendo online yeah that's pretty cool that is so wicked every once in a while Nintendo does something pretty cool this genuinely looks sick I will probably get this I didn't know this existed thank you for the

heads up all right and I think that's pretty much it for today wicked we'll see you guys again next week same bad time same bad channel bye Not doing it. It's not doing it.

Oh no. Okay, I guess the land show goes forever now. Oh no! We gotta wait another week! Man, the physical version being so much more expensive, so late. What do I do? Fifteen Canadian dollars, a ten U.S. I am. It's worth a reflick.

Let's watch them panic. You'll be able to get at least ten dollars on flipping the physical version. What I do? Oh, there it is. Bye. Oh, now he's stuck there. I had it. It's an invisible.

This is all invisible over it. And I had it disabled because of the feet cam. So.