The WAN Show - PS5 Disk Drive Drama - WAN Show October 27, 2023

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

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What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN show! We've got a big show lined up for you guys this week. Lots of topics. Of course, the headline. The PlayStation 5 disk drive requires an internet connection? Are you kidding me? Actually hilarious. Is that actually a thing that happened? Speaking of actual things that happened,

did my LG Wing arrive and will I be live? swapping the sim from my note 9 to the lg wing yes i will we'll get some impressions from me some impressions from luke who has never touched a wing no not once in his life what else we got this week uh i don't know if other people are gonna find this super cool but i find it super cool. The IRS pilots direct filing, which is actually a huge deal. Actually for everyone. Okay? Okay, Linus? All right.

Look, I know. I curated the topics this week. I know. It's just... Really? That's your headline, though. I think that's huge. That's bigger than Nintendo saying no fun allowed?

Yes. Because that's just the same thing they always say. Yeah, but it's just, it's really awful. What about carriers turning off people's phones in Mexico? Yeah, let's talk about that. All right, we'll talk about that. Okay. Oh, right, I'm supposed to do this.

That's your job. why don't we jump right into our first topic i love that you must have been a little bit offline this week because it always makes wanshow more fun when I get to get the genuine reaction from you. The new PS5 Slim appears to require an internet connection in order to pair the console to its removable disk drive. This is according to small print on leaked images of the Modern Warfare 3 PS5 bundle. The quote here, and I've actually got the image that I can bring up for you guys. The quote here is, Internet connection required to pair disk drive and PS5 console upon setup. So that's in the front.

Yeah. There it is. What possible justification could there be for this? It says in our notes, this is likely an authentication step, after which an internet connection should not be necessary for the device to function. Who cares? But that's a really good question. Who cares?

Is the danger that people will find injection find use like a third party external disk drive yeah and if they did would that be such a problem yeah like aren't the days of pirated blu-rays kind of behind us at this point is that is that really a major concern and if it was a major concern wouldn't that happen at such a late stage in the playstation 5's life cycle but it is unlikely to be a major problem yeah like i just it seems so weird i i don't understand what the difference is between this external drive with presumably i actually don't even know what interface it's using i mean probably usb yeah i mean it could be it could be just genuinely hilarious if it was like ethernet like no like a hot plug sata i think might be more

likely uh e-sata was a thing for a very very short period of time it's gonna be that it was super cool but it's not like the sata standard doesn't support hot plugs so there's no reason that it couldn't actually be serial ata but what i'm trying to figure out here is why this would need an extra validation step compared to if say, for example, you were to swap the internal Blu-ray reader of a regular PlayStation five, or maybe it, maybe it isn't extra.

I mean, maybe this is one of those things where sony having learned an awful lot about piracy of their games over the last 25 years and when the first ps when did the ps1 come out 96 let's 97 oh man i uh i am i am showing that i do not know my console history here probably what year was it 94 wow was it that long ago 30 years of playstation just about apparently american debut was 95 that's incredible all right yeah japanese debut is december of 94 american debut was september of 95 wow so sony's learned an awful lot from mod chips and people people burning their own playstation discs over years. So maybe this is something that they feel is necessary

from an anti-piracy standpoint, but I still have to wonder if the long-term impact of this is ultimately going to be more negative than any possible gain that Sony could get from this. I don't want to be that guy, but I think people are just going to roll over. Roll over? Yeah. What do you mean? I don't think there's going to be enough of a splash

well oh okay no i agree i agree with you 100 but when i say long-term impact i mean when this ps5 slim that you ultimately paid more money for because if you want to get the optical disc add-on like down the road you actually end up paying more than the cost of a regular ps5 with the optical disc drive included could end up becoming a paperweight in the future if for whatever reason sony decided to turn off their authentication servers yeah servers and your disc drive dies and you know we kind of go oh yeah but i mean what are the odds that no the odds are really good oh i pretty much guarantee that'll happen i don't know when but like however now that playstations and xboxes are basically just computers um i do think that forward and backward compatibility of games is going to improve a lot

so i don't think that it's a huge deal in the same way that if let's say um okay what's uh what's a device that has been notoriously difficult to emulate playstation 3 okay like i don't think it's going to be as bad as if a playstation 3 required an internet connection and then the authentication servers turned off and there was no way to deal with a broken optical drive because there could conceivably be games that cannot now and maybe can never be experienced in their full proper fidelity without functioning original hardware but with the ps5 i do i do see this as being a little bit less likely this is interesting a scene in floatplane chat suggests that maybe it's the movie studios that are

requiring it in some way but i honestly find that pretty hard to believe because it's the movie studios that are requiring it in some way. But I honestly find that pretty hard to believe because it's not like you can't still play back a Blu-ray disc in a computer, for example. You just require licensed software that has the encryption keys. With that said, I haven't tried to do that in a very long time. Can you play back UHD, like the hdr 4k blu-rays on a

computer i don't know i know that there's that complicated mess around watching 4k netflix on a computer like you need a platform that supports uh intel's you know, latest HDCP nonsense and all of that. And you have to use a browser that supports it. Snowpeck in floatplane chat says yes, as does loading still. Okay. Apparently you can still do it. And you would obviously be able to do that without pairing the disk to the console. But I pretty much guarantee you at some point when that software is configured you will need to do some kind of online check and i do wonder if this is something that is down to movie movie studio pressure that makes the whole thing make a ton more sense but it's i mean it's no less dystopian like you buy a product and so what someone else decides if you're allowed to use it or not? Like, no, I buy it, I plug it in.

Is all the hardware there? Well, then it should probably work. I'm surprised this wouldn't get caught by a right-to-repair thing almost. Well, I mean, it is. That's why it's news. Oh. Yeah, people are super mad about it. Or at least they think it's super stupid. I don't know if most people are necessarily mad

because here's another thing. And back to your point about gamers just rolling over for this like we seem to do for everything is who runs a playstation 5 without an internet connection yeah like i think this will as stupid as this is i think it'll affect very few people like well today that's the problem that's what's so frustrating wreck itself completely when you can't download games for it anymore which will happen and you can't have this disk drive it'll literally just be a brick i am making a poll real quick here because i want to know if people's current gen consoles are 24 7 connected so i'm just going to set a two minute timer on this let's run this on flow plane so guys i want to hear from you is your playstation 5 or your xbox series

connected 24 7 let's pull up the results okay are you guys i think that's not true there i genuinely think that's not true why do i even bother polling you guys yeah i just straight up don't believe that poll at all yeah that's they okay for those who aren't able to see a teeny weeny i strain of vision down there three out of four are saying yes connected all the time and one quarter are saying no not connected i yeah i'm sorry i actually just don't buy that even like more than a quarter it's 30 right now um i i think that might be some people being like well i turn it off and then it's not connected to the internet or something i don't know what we mean is like i didn't say powered i said connected

is that connected yeah if it's i mean yeah okay wireless is if it's authenticated i consider it connected look you want to get pedantic or whatever but they might be that's what i was saying yeah that's not that's not very useful you guys that's not very helpful yeah um i never unplug mine from the internet yeah i mean, most people wouldn't. Like the idea of- The vast majority of people that own a console, it's either gonna be plugged in or it's gonna auto connect to wifi the second you turn it on.

Like the idea of your device only connecting to internet when you need to use the internet is so outdated. We might as well be talking about the PlayStation 1 era at that point, right? Like back when we had dial-upup we had to make a conscious decision to connect to the internet like you get all the modem connecting sounds i mean ever since broadband i know i didn't do a good job about it's fine just get over it ever since broadband things are just connected 24-7 because they don't tie up your phone line.

So if your console is connected at all, I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe you that you explicitly disconnect it and then connect it when you need to use the internet. I actually do not believe you. That would be wild. Yeah. I saw some people in chat being like well i don't have a console and it's like yeah well that's not what i asked the question was only for people that do have consoles is is your ps5 24 7 connected no i don't have one oh man you guys either way a vast vast vast i'm assuming over 90 percent amount of

people are gonna have uh when it is powered on and you own one it is connected to the internet consoles um yeah so so you're right it's not a problem until it's a problem and who knows you know maybe sony will will adopt a very different stance towards right to repair at some point in the future. And they will, you know, when they turn off the authentication servers for this, they will... They'll do nothing.

Yeah, that's probably way more realistic. Yeah. That's really frustrating. And it's not the only thing like this. Obviously, this shouldn't be a surprise but i was still surprised uh source here the sources here are lewis rossman and samsung mexico and the headline is carriers block mexican phones so there's some background here. Around a fifth of phones in Mexico get bought through the local gray market. These phones are not necessarily illegally obtained, but the sellers

are not authorized and have imported devices that were originally intended for release in other markets. And they tend to sell these at a price that is well below the manufacturer's suggested retail price um if you're wondering this kind of gray marketing so it's not the market and it's not the you know opposite of the market i think the term for that has changed so i don't i don't know whatever the point is it's kind of in between the legitimate market and the illegitimate market in that it's real goods. It's not necessarily stolen or obtained through nefarious means, blackmail or whatever the case may be. But you might be going around intended routes for things. So a perfect example of this is something like the discount game keys

or Windows keys that are accessible through certain gray markets where they will obtain them with actual money that goes to the actual developer but a lesser amount of money because it was intended to be like a subsidized lower cost version of the software for you know a developing country say for example not for someone who lives in you know the states or mexico or canada or you know whatever else it's regional pricing is pretty common yeah and so um one of the other major major incentives for gray marketing aside from regional pricing is tariffs so in those cases um you could have a real product a real intel cpu bought really really from an intel distributor but bought in america and then

smuggled through some you know nefarious means or even not nefarious even just by you know carrying them on a boat and nobody asked any questions. I don't know. Probably something nefarious was involved, especially if we're talking about Brazil, which is where I'm going with this. But they could be smuggled into Brazil where the tariffs on electronics are, I think, as high as like 100 plus percent, depending on the category, making, gaming computer, for example, an extreme, extreme status symbol

somewhere like Brazil. So there's a strong incentive to gray market these products, buying them legitimately, but transporting them illegitimately so that they are somewhat affordable. So anywho, we've got these gray market phones in july motorola announced that phones imported

through the gray market and activated in mexico would be subject to remote disability after july 27th making the phone completely useless except for emergency calls reportedly they are planning to identify or they are identifying these phones via their imei number which is a as far as i can tell as far as i know and i'm okay i don't spend a ton of time hanging out on russian hacker forums so you'll have to forgive me if i if i am not up on the latest umMEI spoofing techniques. But as far as I know, it is pretty much hardware. And there's not any kind of easy, convenient, accessible way to spoof an IMEI.

Do you know? Is that true? I think you can. But I don't think it's easy or accessible at all. And I don't think it's like easy or accessible at all. And I don't think it's bulletproof. Like you might be able to spoof it. Maybe. But like the way that it appears in your software, but my understanding is it's pretty low level.

I've heard of it before, but I don't know. Like I'm trying to look it up right now, but I don't know how legitimate these things are. Floatplane chat is saying it's hard, but you can. Okay. Yeah. That was my understanding, but it's been a long time yeah uh genesis describes it as doable but far beyond most people yeah like i don't think this is a thing that's going to be done widespread even at a scale like this well yes and no i mean if one fifth of the phones in a country just stopped working. You don't think mobile repair shops, you know, those ones that are absolutely everywhere are going to figure out how to do this.

We're talking about how this is a gray line too. And some people in chat are pointing this out. And I think this is true. It is illegal. I think wrong. You can rewrite IMEIs on Android devices. Yeah, but is it legal? That I don't know.

Also, how is that wrong? Didn't we just say you could do yeah we know well we they might be they might be behind maybe their internet connection is uh is not very good but um anyway the point is it also depends on how they're handling this i mean what if motorola's approach is to have just an allow list of imeis well then yeah sure you spoof it or whatever but that's not gonna help yeah you'd have to find the right one yeah exactly and if and if two imeis um two identical imeis show up particularly on the same mobile network that is definitely gonna cause some problems yeah so it's so it's not legal so if they're if they're trying to like float in the gray space that is as far as my understanding goes a clearly illegal action got it i think that would be like oh we're getting into laws that i don't know but i think that would be like changing the vent on your car. Right. Like, I don't think you can just do that.

Like, I know you can't do that. Yeah. You could visually do it. Yes. But it's like not okay. It's definitely not okay. Yeah.

So I think like changing the cereal on a firearm or something like that, like nothing would physically prevent you. It's doable. Doing it. It's going to be hard to do convincingly. Yeah. Probably similarly to here. Yeah.

And it's illegal. So you're not going to see a ton do convincingly probably similarly to here. Yeah. And it's illegal. So you're not going to see a ton of it. Not legal advice. We are not lawyers. Yeah. Not financial advice either. Burn all your money. Wait,

sorry. Not really. Not really just advice at all. This is not an advice show. That is not what the A in WAN stands for. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody really knows what it stands for.

No, it doesn't matter it's this far canon is that it never stood for anything now get this samsung went even further and started disabling gray market phones retroactively what that sucks for the people that bought them uh okay this must be a typo because it says both companies offered affected customers a 30% discount on Motorola devices in Mexico, but I'm sure that's just Motorola and maybe Samsung also offered some kind of discount.

Oppo and Xiaomi also said they would block gray market phones in Mexico, but it's unclear whether they followed through. Interesting. Now, one of the motivations that you know my my imagination could conjure up for something like this might be that this was due to government pressure because otherwise why mexico why all these manufacturers why now like maybe this is one of those things where okay organized crime is involved in the in the the the acquisition and resale and yeah and you know the any money spent on these

gray market phones is going straight into the cartels or whatever the case may be but actually the mexican government um has ordered manufacturers to stop disabling regular phones and called for the creation of a working group to address the gray market problem without violating consumers' rights. Because the thing here is that the only people who are being harmed by the manufacturer's actions are the buyers of these devices, not the people who profited from it.

And if you expect the average consumer to understand that the phone that they're buying, which looks exactly the same as the other phone just like it, other than it has a slightly more different serial number that is not authorized for use in this country, if you expect them to understand or even care that that's wrong compared to saving 100 bucks or whatever it is i just i think it's kind of ridiculous i think it's i think basically all you're doing is making yourself look bad and you are not harming the sellers i mean in the long term though one of the next lines uh because i was just reading one of the sources here is like samsung mexico and i was just reading this and i was like this doesn't line up with what we're saying at all

but one of the next lines yes the mexican government has ordered manufacturers to stop disabling uh irregular phones i said that you weren't listening oh okay neat i was probably reading it anyway uh getting ahead of moving ahead again so um till So in the long term, I could see this hurting the resellers once people kind of figure out that these phones might not work. But unless they're disabling them immediately, I could still see them selling these devices, not connected to a mobile network, just kind of going like okay yeah look

look it's it's working take take it home and go taking people's money like i it you're i think you're just going to end up with regular consumers being scammed um now samsung claims they will no longer block these phones and they are willing to work with the government on a solution leading us to our discussion question here which is what's the right way for companies to deal with gray market devices i don't know if i would say no longer they said they're going to suspend blocking them hilarious so they're they're they're pausing they're they're pausing and allowing uh some work to happen with the mexican government to see if they can come to some form of agreement and it sounds sounds like if they don't, they'll probably continue. But they didn't say that part because they probably didn't want to put a threat out there.

But the word suspend, to me, sounds like there's a resume on the other end of it. So, yeah, I'm not sure. So what should they do about gray market devices? I have an idea. How about nothing? How about f*** off? How about if you can afford to sell it at that price in, you know,

wherever a stand, then you just sell it at that price. There's an idea. You're welcome. Nice. Like, I, I don't know.

It, this just, it just reminds me of like region locking. Yeah. It's a very consoles and games. And obviously, in the early days, the region locking wasn't very sophisticated. It's a plastic notch that you can just sand down

or whatever the case may be. But I guess now that we've reached the point where the mechanisms for enforcement are so sophisticated we've reached the point where we kind of have to say hey actually no that's not okay you can't be you can't be bricking manufactured goods just because it went from one country to another country in a way you didn't like i'm'm sorry, but I just don't really, um, yeah,

I don't like the breaking. I think I could potentially support them wanting to do something about it. Um, but bricking the phones is really aggressive towards people that just want your phone, not the resellers doing the actual bad stuff. Um, because like,

I can understand like they, they might not be making money in some of these markets like at all and those markets might be supported through the sales and other markets like we don't necessarily know how their business is being handled um but yeah breaking all the phones is not cool i mean that you know raises another interesting question like should should we then, okay, should I be supportive of them selling devices at cost into a developing market, knowing that I'm helping subsidize that?

You don't have to be supportive of it. So then if I'm not supportive of it, then I guess I would take my stance, which is sell the device for whatever, you know, your cost is plus some margin that you presumably need to make and then off and don't tell me where i can or can't use it fair enough either way i don't support them bricking the phones i think that's a and i don't really i don't really see an alternative

what what is the alternative because anything in brazil we actually pay more that's because of your yeah that's because of your government tax yeah that's not the company yeah yeah that's so to be clear we are not talking about um situations where the increase in cost to the consumer the increase in price to the consumer is because of uh import tariffs or taxes that's on the government and you know that's that's always going to that's always going to be something that smugglers are going to try to get around and that's always going to be a certain kind of gray market we're talking about situations where the manufacturer has their own set regional pricing that they are trying to prevent people from working around it's super working devices super visible in video games

yeah it's a big thing for a while people people would like sell accounts like free accounts that were authenticated in countries where they would get the games cheaper. Because you'd pay money for the account, but then all the games that you'd buy after that would be cheaper. Like there was all this like crazy stuff going on. Yeah, it's weird. I remember hearing, I don't remember what game it was, but it was some online game that required a subscription.

And you could go into the online dashboard and update your address to one of the countries that had a lower subscription rate. Subscribe with like an American or whatever else credit card. Yep. And everything. Just you switch your address to their subscribe. You buy like however many months at a time. And then you just change your address back and everything's fine.

Like they didn't have any authentication at all. I've had a couple people just that, whose comments I've seen, I don't even remember, emails, forum posts, I don't know, but have brought up that they subscribe to YouTube Premium in a different region. And it costs like $2 a month or something like that. And you'd think a company with the technical resources

of Google would be able to detect something like that pretty easily, especially because I know that when someone doesn't want you to buy something from a different region, they f***ing can stop you. Like, do you have any idea how hard it was to buy a Valve Index?

Yeah, I remember this. Valve was serious business. You are not buying an Index if you are not in America or wherever the other regions that they launched it in were. And it's like, well, I'm not going to take no for an answer. I need an index. I have to fucking review the thing.

So I will obtain one. But the only way I was able to do it, I tried shipping to an American address with a Canadian card. I tried shipping to a Canadian address with a Canadian card. I tried shipping to a Canadian address with a USD card. I tried shipping to an American address with a USD card that was issued by a Canadian bank and they wouldn't even allow that. I was paying in US dollars and shipping to a US address.

Why do they care? And it wouldn't go through. And and ultimately you know how we did it i've got around a few of these but no all right we had john we had our writer who lives in care i was going to say in carolina but i'm sure it and i'm i'm sure that that would be very offensive yeah well i well i didn't want to get super specific, but that's fine. It's a state. North Carolina. He lives in North Carolina. I know there are two Carolinas. Just chill. Relax.

Yeah, north and east. Yeah, it's just like east Arkansas and west Arkansas. Does he know American geography or does he not? You'll never know. It's a stalemate. So when I chat, I hate it. Yeah, don't forget about red Texas and blue Texas. There's Austin and Dallas and the rest.

That's okay. I know the Alaska thing. Wait, which hand is it? Is it this one? It's like the state of Alaska is the shape of the back of your hand when you do this with your fingers oh okay but i don't remember which hand it is uh well it's hold on can i see uh that yeah yeah it's that one there you go i just know the shape of alaska That's not because I remember which one it is. Why do you not know the shape of Alaska?

It's attached to Canada. Well, it has two thingies, and I just didn't remember which one was longer. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Anywho, as a Texan, this is correct. Anyway, what are we talking about?

Right. How to deal with this. I don't think there's a good way to deal with this i i just don't think there's any way around it i think the answer is give up just don't break phones yeah stop it breaking phones sucks for everyone to stop you're making e-waste and bothering your customers who yeah who did buy your product yeah you actually did sell that product and you make money if you didn't make enough money i'm sorry i'm not sorry if i set a higher price next time i don't care deal with it all right what are we doing next dan uh well you still got 15 minutes left before we have to talk about merch messages but we could just talk about merch messages yes let's talk about merch messages that can be next i can't do it until you move the sign okay it's impossible it's actually

not allowed it's illegal for freeing us otherwise they'd be gray market merch messages somebody somebody get a three over here i think all merch messages are gray market authentic merch messages that were imported uh illegally these are handmade artisanal signs oh they are not they're printed oh well my side is no i'm proving it i i uh that's right i forgot i did that me hi luke hey what are we using this for bye oh wait no complicated uh you're revealing the wall that no one's supposed to be able to see yeah but this side i still love how the most interesting wall no one ever sees and then like probably the most

boring one is one people see all the time. It's still amazing to me. You're not wrong. I forgot that you guys also looked at them. Yeah. All right, hit me, Dan. You got to tell me what they are. Merch messages? Oh, right.

Merch messages are the way to interact with the show. Don't send super chats. Don't send Twitch bits. Send merch messages it's great because not only do you get to throw money at your screen so that strangers on the internet can you know build a wall that nobody ever looks at people are saying super chats and twitch bits are gray market merch messages i mean it's more the other way around Yeah it kind of is actually But legitimate Legitimate

So what's better about them is that You can throw money at the screen And how about your favorite creator Us Yeah obviously And get your order in the mail So to send a merch message all you gotta do is go on lttstore.com Pick up something awesome

We actually have a bunch of really good deals going on right now. Some new products, a pretty crazy promo on our plaid flannels. So you just got to pick something up. And in the cart, you will see a box to leave a merch message. And it'll show up down there or producer Dan might respond to you or forward it to someone else internally to get back to you or even curate it so that Luke and I can address your question on the show. So Dan, why don't you show us how that works? Sure. I got one here. With AMD releasing the Threadripper 7000 series for DIY users, do you think AMD will continue releasing processors for DIY users? Or do you think it will flip right back to OEM only despite

Intel? Okay, this question requires a little bit of background. Luke, how up on the Threadripper shenanigans that AMD has pulled are you? They did it, everyone was stoked on it, they weren't going to do it anymore, and then they did it again. Okay, that's a very, very succinct summary, but not a very accurate one okay so why don't we improve on that a little bit uh i'll give you guys a bit more background threadripper launched alongside or i think shortly after the original ryzen 1000 it was the same ryzen chiplets but many many more of them and i believe the first generation went up to i want to say 16 cores or was it 32 uh whatever the thread ripper uh 1950 x was let's have a quick looky boo no information

available for this page um i oh man no i'm to get it right. I jinxed it. Nice and succinct, Linus. I jinxed it. Yours isn't succinct or accurate. Okay, I think the 1950 was 16. Okay. Was there a 1970 though? This is like gray market Threadripper information.

Gray market tech tips. Can you lie? Threadripper was a CPU. No? Gray market tech tips. Can you lie? Threadripper was a CPU. No, I was accurate. I was accurate. The first family went up to 16 cores in the 1950X. Okay. What was cool about Threadripper was that compared to consumer platforms,

it had mondo memory bandwidth and a ton of PCIe connectivity. Compared to server platforms or traditional workstation platforms, it didn't support nearly the same amount of system memory, which was considered kind of an Achilles heel because you had all these cores. 16 cores in the 1000 series, up to 32 cores in the 1000 series up to 32 cores in the 2000 series which ballooned to up to 64 cores in the 3000 series which is flipping wild but the 3000 series if i recall correctly was limited to i want to say 256 megabytes of system memory so you had all this bandwidth you had all this pcie connectivity you had all this compute but you couldn't attach that much RAM to it, which was AMD's way of ensuring that they would have a way to differentiate their workstation and their server products from their enthusiast Threadripper products.

Now, as we made our way from 1000 series Threadripper to 2000 series Threadripper to 3000 series Th series thread ripper some stuff happened that was a little bit different from how amd handled the consumer side of things the first two thread rippers were on socket lga no balls i can't remember hold on um yeah okay this like summary article that I'm looking at. Oh yeah, there we go. Socket STR4. And while on the consumer side of things, we got Ryzen 1000, 2000, 3000, all on the AM4 platform. In fact, all the way up to Ryzen 5000 stayed on the AM4 socket. For Threadripper, that actually changed

when they went to Zen 2 with Threadripper 3000, and we got Socket TRX4. Now, the problem with that is that AMD committed at that time, hey, we're sorry for changing away from Socket TR4 and moving over to TRX4. moving over to trx for um are bad we we know we want to have better socket continuity than intel and all we managed to do was zen and zen plus on this one uh we're going to do better next time and then they promptly did not do better at all not only did we not get any new cpus for that um socket so not only did they change sockets on us but we never got a single cpu upgrade for that platform threadripper 3000 never got a follow-up and from my understanding based on leaks based on rumors that i have personally participated in it's not because they weren't done they were basically done the product so updated zen 3 chips for uh strx4 and they just didn't release them because it wasn't nearly as profitable as releasing workstation or server chips under the threadripper Pro branding, which would come later, actually, two and a half years later on socket W for workstation WRX8.

So what we got was Threadripper 1000 on STR4, Threadripper 2000 on STR4, Threadripper 3000 along with a big boatload of broken promises on STRX4, and then we got Threadripper 5000 Pro only on that workstation platform. And they just never bothered with Threadripper 5000 non-pro, which was a giant loogie in the face of everyone who invested in STRX4, like me, to the tune of like a dozen workstations expecting to have upgrades available for it, which never arrived.

Because for video editing, we do need a fair amount of system memory, but we don't need more than, I forget if it was 256, I think it was 256 gigs of ram that's actually lots for us we're not doing simulation work or or ai or ai work or you know anything like that it's it's plenty for video editing we just want the performance and we want the pcie connectivity so we can plug in extra devices like high speed you know fiber optic network cards and stuff like that so what was the question again right i'm still not certain if what i said was actually incorrect

i think it was just way too short yeah so i didn't realize we're doing like a whole history coming back to anonymous's question here with amd releasing threadripper 7000 for diy users not just for you know workstation integrators do you think amd will continue releasing these processors for diy or do you think it'll flip right back to system integrators only oh yeah there was a short period of threadripper pro where it was system integrators only you couldn't even buy them more broadly but 5000 you could buy assuming you could afford them because they went up to like eight thousand dollars when the previous ones were not that expensive because they were meant for consumers um the answer is i don't know yeah because they're lying assholes the fact that amd gets a free pass from enthusiasts for you know being an underdog or whatever is it's baffling to me they're also a company they're also interested in one thing just like an intel or just like an nvidia i think

they're i think they're i shouldn't say just like an nvidia nvidia's got their own sort of thing they have a particularly brazen um manner of pursuing actively and openly like dislike a large section of their consumer base okay so this is one of those things that's complicated every time we kind of get into this it's like okay corporately i agree with you yeah but i've met so many passionate individuals individually no and i have as well for sure i know some people in video that are that are great people but just just like the, the corporate actions, the business actions are. Yeah. So I just, we just need to not, we just need to not believe them. I mean, we can, you know, when we, when we do a video about it, if AMD says, you know, yeah, we're going to support this socket for several generations and we're going to do this and we're going to do that,

you know, we'll, we'll tell you, Hey, they say that, but we're also not going to ignore those broken promises from the past and i think amd has shown that they are capable of doing short run processors like those uh those cool x3d chips that they that they dumped a while ago at micro center and and somewhere else i forget who had them in stock like it is conceivable that they could offer an upgrade to Threadripper 3000 users still, but they won't. They don't wish to. And I don't know. I'm just, I'm very frustrated. The good news is that these days, I do also kind of get it.

Now that we have consumer chips that are anywhere from 16 to 24 cores, depending on whether you're on the Intel or AMD side of things. I think the necessity of a high end desktop platform is is less. But I am also glad to see the maker return, even if I don't have a lot of trust that they will continue to support it. There. That is my answer. Amazing. Amazing. LLD, do you see a time when storage servers will just be filled with hundreds or thousands of M.2 drives, providing petabytes of ultra-fast storage

in a 1 or 2U rack? Already exists in some cases, doesn't it? I'm on it okay there you go there it is so these are super cool these are like these tiny little slim cute ssds um that you would equip a server with, you know, anywhere from typically a handful to dozens of SSDs. Right now, the challenge is fitting enough compute in that same form factor that you can actually make full use of these things. make full use of these things but i do i do wonder if you are if you are right that we may see a future where we don't worry so much about having enough compute and we just accept that the

performance is going to be kind of crap and we just pack a ton of these in because up until now nvme ssds for for the data center have been you've got these branches where they are focused on performance or they're focused on capacity but even the ones that are capacity oriented are still you know pretty darn good performance but i think as we make our way into storing more and more and more bits per cell we could end up with some extremely cheap per gigabyte NAND flash. And we could end up with servers that like you suggest might allocate as few as, you know,

a single PCIe lane per multiple SSDs and just cram them in in an effort to go for capacity. Hopefully you're not accessing all those particular ones at the same time yeah and you almost never would yeah right like it's i'm not completely against it especially for certain use cases if you know what you're getting into like someday for bulk storage yeah i i could see it being somewhat realistic but i also do wonder if you know by the time you're architecting such a specialized device if you would be better off just architecting a an ssd that just stacks way more nand packages on it and then you don't

need all that pcie because pcie is going to be one of the biggest cost drivers of that entire solution especially if you have to do any pciee switching. So if you're, like I had suggested, taking a single PCIe lane off of, let's say an AMD EPYC platform. So dual CPU, you would have 160 lanes. So you could do up to 160, theoretically, if you had absolutely nothing else, right? Like no network card, which is not realistic,

but let's just bear with me here, okay? So you could do up to 160 SSDs off that thing if they were one lane each. Well, you could quadruple that if you put a PCIe by one switch on it and put four SSDs behind it. Like you said, you wouldn't get full bandwidth from all four SSDs at a time, but you'd be so parallelized at that point that i just have a hard time imagining that that would be a problem unless you are divvying up the resources of that system hardware by hardware to cloud customers or something like that where yeah conceivably two customers on the same pcie switch could be hitting their ssd at

the same time but if you pooled all the storage and then just allocated it in chunks, I think it's very unlikely to be a problem with that amount of overall bandwidth available. We're talking 160 lanes of Gen 5 on the latest Epic platforms. It's unfathomable. It's a lot of issues every once in a while. Amounts of bandwidth.

But like, I suspect if the use case is right right i suspect you could get it to a point where the amount of issues that you have are so infrequent that they're not that big yeah i i could definitely see that and so you know that's that's one possibility but those pcie switches would be costly whereas i think that if you were if they would be costly per unit whereas if you were to develop a new ssd that just loads you know terabytes upon terabytes of terabytes of of nan flash like like we uh we covered that 100 that 100 terabyte ssd a while back on the channel clearly it's been done well that engineering gets done once and then every unit is just cost of NAND chips. You don't have to put a bunch of PCIe switching.

I think that SSD might have actually used some switching internally. The point is, I think there's going to be solutions for stuff like this in the future. But hard drives are still a more cost-effective way to do bulk storage. I think they're going to be for a while. a more cost-effective way to do bulk storage i think they're going to be for a while and the only way that you would use something like you're suggesting would be for bulk storage you see they're shipping seagate announced 28 terabyte drives um wwd also has 28 terabyte drives now i'm just trying to imagine a scenario. That's actually insane. Where I would want 28 terabytes of data

at the mercy of a hard drive. Man, so the IronWolf Pros, I think five years ago, were 10 terabyte drives. And IronWolf Pros are now 22 terabyte drives. That's crazy. That's wild wow sheesh man yeah i just i i um every time i i there was a while there where hard drives were kind of still could be worth a premium for

the top capacities and and still had some sex appeal, even though your boot drive was probably an SSD if you were an enthusiast. But now it has become so easy for me to completely ignore hard drives for... I still like hard drives. A year at a time. And so I'll turn away and I'll turn back

and I'll go, what the shit? There's 28 terabyte hard drives now? And like, okay, what's the pricing of a 22 terabyte hard drive? Like that's 420. Nice. I just want to say one really quick aside. This is very off topic, but I just saw the art for this. Hard drives are getting like the old school GPU treatment.

Like that looks sick. It's like unnecessarily cool for a hard drive. You know, my understanding is the person who was responsible for WD's green, black, blue branding moved over to Seagate? Because that was really good branding. Moved over to Seagate. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the same person. So believe it or not, Seagate has color-coded drives now, I think.

Oh, maybe they're not color-coded. Yeah, I'm not sure if they're color-coded. I don't think they're color-coded in the same way that the WD ones are, but the Iron Wolves are red and this Exos thing is green. I think there's some amount of grouping logic behind it, which I think is fine. But yeah, I don't know. That just goes unbelievably hard for... Oh yeah, they're definitely color-coded.

It's blue for Surveillance, red for Naz, green for Exos for for enterprise and then ugly for everyone else i guess all right you can update that one maybe come on sick make that a little cooler man it's amazing how hard it is i think the iron wolf brandy is so sick to find anything on new egg that is just a product what's the surveillance one branding is so sick. To find anything on Newegg that is just a product. What's the surveillance one? What is the name of it? Exos, Iron Wolf, and then what's the surveillance one? Skyhawk.

So sick. Oh, no. Skyhawk AI. Whoa. They're AI drives. That's worse. Skynet. Yeah yeah i don't know i just i don't understand how like hard drive branding is going way harder than gpus these days like that's crazy i don't know it's kind of sick

and just how far gpus have fallen the gpu art both on the box and the card used to be so cool. And now it's just like metal and fan. Well, that's because of NVIDIA. Yep. It's actually because of NVIDIA. NVIDIA maintains very tight control over the packaging and branding of their partners. And it's so boring. Next topic. Speaking of boring, why don't you pick a topic?

I'm going to do it. IRS pilots direct filing. Oh! Okay, I did actually curate this topic. You walked me into that one. I know, I know. This is great, though. If you're not excited about this, maybe you haven't paid taxes yet.

In 2024, an IRS pilot program will allow residents of 13 states to electronically file their tax returns for free directly with the irs this goes against the wishes of tax preparation companies who have been lobbying against free direct filing for over a decade arguing that free alternatives are already available which is technically true in the most bs way ever those free alternatives arose out of the free file alliance a 2001 partnership between the irs and several tax preparation companies to offer taxpayers with simple returns a free alternative for filing their taxes a later investigation by pro publica found that several companies made those options purposefully difficult to find in order to trick

their customers into paying for services they could have received for free this has been somewhat recently uh called dark patterns by a bunch of people including us um they're called dark patterns yeah i think that's a newer term though is it i don't think it's that new it's not like this year new that's for sure i've only heard it within the last few years i might just be late to the party i think you're late to the party it's very possible anyways uh user experience designer henry brignol coined the neologism neologism neologism i don't i'm not not familiar with that word On 28th of July, 2010. So we've been calling them dark patterns for over 10 years. Okay.

I definitely didn't hear about it in 2010. This is fun. In 2021, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Consumer Reports created a tip line to collect information about dark patterns from the public. That's cool. Disclosure. I am plagiarizing this from Wikipedia. Cool.

Oh my gosh okay this is amazing there's classifications of patterns one of them is called privacy zuckering whoa is that like that's that wait hold on that's like a government recognized term i don't know why don't you guess what it is you know what let's play a game i'm gonna read different kinds of dark patterns and you're gonna tell me what you think they are okay are we starting with privacy zuckering we're definitely starting with privacy zuckering uh getting people to give you their information in exchange for very little or nothing tricks the user into sharing more information than they intended to okay all right good name uh okay we'll go with a couple of the more straightforward ones here misdirection it's just called misdirection?

It's called misdirection. Would this be like the download buttons problem? Yeah. You nailed it. Basically presented with a button in the fashion of a typical continuation button,

but it's actually something else and you have to look somewhere else for the one. Have you noticed when Microsoftrosoft offers you the windows 11 upgrade you have to like hunt for don't do it yeah for the don't do it yeah um uh okay okay the next one is called confirm shaming okay so that would be when the when the prompt is like, do you want to continue your subscription? Click the yes, I want to keep supporting this company. Or do you not want to continue your subscription? Click the no, I'm a horrible person button. Nailed it.

Yeah. Don't forget the bait and switch. What's on that one? It seems like you're signing up for something that's awesome and cool and legit and then you're not or maybe it sounds like it's free and then after you've given them your contact information they prompt you to put in a credit card or something it's it's you're really close it's they advertise something free or at a greatly reduced price then say it is unavailable and uh present similar

options at higher prices or lesser quantity and the last one is roach motel okay i've actually heard of this but i don't remember at all what it is um no yeah i don't i don't know this one provides an easy path in but a difficult path out got it so for example a business that would require subscribers to print and mail their opt-out or cancellation request yeah or like amazon prime yeah yeah which is full of different kinds of dark patterns yeah i'm sorry i completely hijacked whatever very interesting thing you were talking about. Yeah. It was unintentional. When the IRS banned these companies from hiding their free filing options,

both H&R Block and Intuit, the makers of TurboTax, left the agreement, which is awesome. I personally really enjoy the process of the government sending me a letter that tells me what I need to put in the box of the piece of paperwork that the government sends me. I think that's the dumbest thing ever. I do think obviously some people are going to have more complicated taxes, but for a vast, yep, for sure. For a vast percentage of technically,

yes, me as well, but for a vast percentage of the population, it's pretty simple and it's really stupid that you have to jump through so many hoops. If you have one full time job. Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard.

You should be paying $0 to process your tax return. Yeah. You shouldn't even do it. You should basically just confirm. It should be presented to you, be like, does this look wrong? I mean, okay. Actually, I was going to say,

I mean, there's a lot of things that could conceivably need user intervention, like if you have deductions for a dependence or something like that but then i'm sitting here going well i mean what's the point of the census if they don't know how many kids you have yeah like what what was the point of the birth certificate yeah and it can be an opportunity to update things yeah like sure but yeah no you're no you're right like confirm this information you know what correct cool we missed out on a it's like i don't know people in chatter saying that's how it works in the uk yeah countries do this like this is not impossible we missed out on a i forget how much money it is it's either hundreds or

thousands of dollars it's a significant amount of money um that you can put towards your kids post-secondary education but you have to apply for it before their second birthday or something and we missed the deadline and so you just don't get it and their second birthday or something. And we missed the deadline. And so you just don't get it. And I'm sitting here going, well, this should just be automatic. There was some,

what is the, there was something when I was growing up where if you put money into an account before you were, I think it was 16, the government would like match it or something. And it was for your post-secondary education. But if you were 17, you are what you're not allowed to save for post-secondary anymore. If you're in post-secondary education. But if you were 17, what, you're not allowed to save for post-secondary anymore?

If you're in post-secondary, they don't want to support you in post-secondary anymore? Only if you're 15. Like, what is this line? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man. It was stupid. So frustrating.

Anyways, I'm happy that at least baby steps are being taken to get away from the lobbying turbo hell that has been H&R Block and TurboTax and all these other companies trying to just charge people money for them to pay money to the government. What a useful industry. Incredibly irrelevant. That should definitely exist exists doesn't need to exist at all is literally just bad for everyone except for specifically probably only the heads of these companies which is just like bruh can we just stop can we have all the people that work there go do more useful things that would be great Wow that's very heartless Luke nope an industry is under threat accountants an industry is under threat close it all down and you would have those people just go get different jobs they will have jobs brutal accountants are in high

demand not everyone who works there is an accountant Boom, checkmate What about the developers who create this very useful software? That we're hiring What about the evil executives and lobbyists who work on They'll be fine They've probably made enough already What about the janitor who cleans the office i honestly i'm sure they'll still be employed someone else can move into that i think they'll make it yeah all right okay all right fair enough okay i'm kidding you guys relax i'm

i'm not actually defending the uh the tax software it's a it's an extortion industry it's a meme uh what do you want to talk about next reddit may become unsearchable this would actually really hurt me because legitimately a way that i google things now is i append reddit which i i know that some companies actually know that and they try to hijack the top search results of when you put reddit on the end and stuff. But those are pretty easy to spot. So it's OK. But Google has become so like unusable that I actually do do that.

So this will suck. But Reddit is reportedly threatening to block web crawlers, including from search engines like Google and Bing. It cannot reach an agreement with generative. If it cannot reach an agreement with generative AI companies to pay for data collected from the site sources inside reddit report that the company believes reddit can survive without search i actually disagree me too the amount of organic browsing that i do on reddit compared to the amount of oh i came across this article by searching oh i'm on reddit and this is an interesting thread i'll read for a bit okay goodbye is like i don't just go to reddit personally yeah i never just go to reddit i almost

always end up there by accident yep i uh i don't know man i read it on the one hand has weathered some serious storms and has demonstrated that they are quite resilient on the other hand there's a fine line between resilient and and confident and arrogant and hubris um over 500 news organizations including the new york times reuters and the washington post have installed a blocker that prevents their content from being collected and used to train ai i have bad news for them that isn't working so cool and i guess the difference between those news organizations and reddit is that reddit's management is tech savvy enough to know that yeah yeah i uh i don't know what to tell you i i can't remember what um what it's called and this isn't a topic but

i was reading a discussion um the other day about how some sites are like honeypotting junk data in order to like wreck the data sets that some of these ai crawlers have interesting so they're they're creating a bunk a bunch of false information so that anything that crawls their stuff without permission uh is going to have bad results if that makes sense interesting so you what you would yeah i think it's a matter of time before the crawlers figure out how to work around that i mean as as someone who was recently tasked with creating a crawler oh you're talking about me yeah sure i don't know like i mean i would you would you find a way around that yeah but then it's like it's slower yes because you have to you have to hide

where the where the traffic is coming from you have to you have to take a more subversive approach to collecting the data this is one of those arms race situations where like you could get a whole bunch of websites that report on the same thing um to agree to put like one piece of junk and then if none of them have agreements with these things and that piece of junk ends up showing up in results it's like okay we got you um then you can use legal action stuff like that yeah but like realistically a lot of these crawlers are going to be coming out of places like china or russia where it just doesn't matter realistically what are you going to do about it nothing yeah yeah what you're going to sue someone in china for using your data incorrectly and like okay yeah good luck with

that right it's it's it's been an interesting thing to watch um i'm of the opinion that yeah i don't i don't see any way that you're really going to stop it personally i don't think it's realistic yeah if people want to take it they're going to take it and this is the same conversation we had before where i was saying that i um even though there's like uh chip restrictions going into china i think chinese ai developers are not necessarily at any bigger disadvantage than north american ones because there's more uh legal pressure here so they have like hardware restrictions and over here we have legal pressure well they also have their governmental restrictions in terms of like i'm my understanding is that um there's

there's restrictions on the outputs of large language models over there really careful don't exist over here in sort of the the land of the free as we as we are familiar with people referring to themselves i think there's still some well there's some that i know have been uh self-imposed by some of the larger ones but i also know that there are much smaller llms that will output anything oh yeah that's definitely and i know that you can access those here so yeah yeah i don't know effectively there isn't really a limitation on if you're willing to dig for it yeah anyways that's a developing and sort of uninteresting conversation for most people. Should we do the wing?

Can we jump to that? Sim swap? Actually, before we do that, yes. We're going to do the sim swap. Let's have some fun with the wing. But first I want to talk about some cool stuff that's happening on the store. Ah.

Oh. Where is it? Dang it. Why can I not find this? I can make more surprise noises there we go yeah okay we're launching our premium sport joggers they are 49.99 nine why did i say that 49.99 uh they feature a nylon spandex blend and they have super cool reflective taping on the side yeah um actually looks pretty i have been i have been demoing these for quite some time

i actually yeah i've had a pair of these for almost a year now and they look and feel flipping awesome and this stripe here is like a reflective were you wearing these in taiwan yeah that's actually kind of cool i noticed you were wearing some like you know not costco jeans and i was like hey those are actually like pretty sweet and i wasn't sure what they were and apparently they were these yeah so they're super stretchy um they are not i would say the most ventilated so if you are expecting to like go hard in them uh they they are not they're not the most ventilated but if you are uh if you're oh yeah see that's a that photo i have that one up on my screen right now yeah that photo is really cool that's a really good shot of how

cool they look zipper pockets because i flippant hate losing stuff uh drives me absolutely crazy um but yeah they're they're super comfy, super stretchy. I think they look awesome. Those are launching today. Also on the store today, we've got backpacks are back on the store, now featuring standard zipper bolts instead of the weak carabiners. So our original stock is all gone. New orders will ship as soon as our new delivery arrives.

That should be in the next couple of weeks. We're apparently advertising by November 20th. And you will be included in the list of people who will get the new updated carabiner pulls along with the little piece of hardware

for swapping out the standard pulls. So when I say standard pulls, I just mean like any normal zipper pull. That's on there now and then we'll get you once we've got everyone with the old wheat carabiners updated. It's just taking a lot of time in production. We're going to get those out as soon as we possibly can. This is interesting.

We created a new promotional mechanism. We can now do free shipping with your entire order when you buy a specific product i think we did this with the luxe backpack launch oh did it not work oh that's right it didn't work then um so we did it manually because it was a very very low quantity now we can do it automated and we're running a quick test so today only today only because we have no idea how many people are going to redeem this we're not 100 sure how much it'll cost um so we are we are you are our guinea pigs for today only if you buy a plaid flannel not a mystery plaid flannel good gravy where's the plaid flannel, not a mystery plaid flannel, good gravy. Where's the plaid flannel?

Okay, there it is. You'll find it eventually. You get free shipping for your entire order. Plaid flannel. Woo! It looks nice. And it's available in a bunch of different colors. Very good reviews.

Very nice shirt. Good quality. Thomas Harper. Oh, wait, no. Top quality. it has pockets it took me 30 days to notice it has pockets all right thanks andrew the weird part is i did the same thing when i was just reading in my head yeah i was like thomas harper what yeah why did i okay anyway it doesn't matter the point the point is uh the plaid flannel

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did you ever use it no but i was pretty young and had no reason to quickly beam you know a a file from one thing to another and to be clear i mean it's not like apple doesn't have an equivalent now with airdrop but on the windows side of things how the f**k do i just get a file to someone we've we've talked about this on wayne show before yeah yeah it's incredibly frustrating i mean okay okay crossover cables there's another one they do technically still exist you technically could just take two computers and connect them and manually configure a bunch of bullshit but why is it honestly though really really i would like the networking people to come at me like i'm five why is it that we haven't just built functionality into ethernet adapters such that the default

behavior when i just connect two windows computers to each other isn't to act as a crossover cable because my understanding is you don't even need to use a proper crossover cable anymore you can use any cable as a crossover cable that's my understanding don't don't quote me on that but why isn't why isn't it that when i plug in a crossover cable between two computers they aren't just immediately like boop here's the shared folder and i can just drag and drop a thing it's like ridiculous so people brought this up last time we complained about this too and i forgot about it until now when they brought windows nearby share does it work let's try it yeah nearby share here nearby sharing settings

uh i don't know if it's gonna start detecting things and stuff that you want to stream okay it's on now what here i'm just gonna hide my screen for a second it's a nearby share did you turn it on yep okay you just click the thing and it's working right there's no like confirm i didn't have a confirm yeah i just i just clicked it um okay um now what yeah where do i go to do this uh okay here let me just make sure there's nothing incriminating here um sure across devices yeah sure okay yeah i don't think there's anything that incriminating on my screen so what like i just share share with skype share okay

is this gonna work maybe that'd be cool is it actually this good can i go to your screen uh sure did did anything pop up i think it said it was going to go to downloads. It's called D7SHRPYXO. No. Yeah, I don't really see anything there. No. Oh, wait, is your date modified oldest to newest? I mean, I looked at the whole thing what is it called again

d7 sh rpy x oaa dash xxb it's not here bro okay I'll try sharing it again I want to see the what are you sharing it to I'm sharing it to because this should be wanshow2-laptop yeah wanshow2-laptop sharing it again i want to see what are you sharing it to i'm sharing it to um because this should be wanshow2-laptop yeah wanshow2-laptop okay i clicked it okay let's see what happens

is there any indication on your side that anything's happening nope i just click it and then and then the dialogue goes away. So is your nearby sharing configured to be on? Yeah, look. Everyone nearby. Looks like it. Save files I received to downloads. But it didn't prompt you in any way? This is the wrong downloads.

Let's go users. When to? It shouldn't be. That should be the right downloads folder. Yeah, so I know I'm just, you know, someone's going to try to point it out. Okay. It's definitely not there. Well, really good feature.

Sick. Maybe we're doing it wrong. Check notifications. Check notifications. Chat's blowing up. They want you to check your notifications. It should have given me a notification. I would argue that.

Oh. No, that's I started a live stream oh we could watch my show oh we could watch garbage stream garbage drum stream full-plane exclusives giving away i mean hey that's basically the picture i tried to send you that thumbnail the system works okay so do not disturb is on in their defense so i wouldn't have gotten the thing because do not disturb is on so okay but it's also not in there i'll concede that but but yes there's is bluetooth on people are helping us this is great live troubleshooting if that's a problem okay first of all yes it's on and two if that's a problem it should prompt you that yeah and i shouldn't have been

able to select his computer and share to it yeah it should tell him or both of us turn off dnd why does that i mean do it do it do it you coward well it's on because we're live on a show like there's a reason okay it's off okay i'm sharing with you again okay so here you go guys live demo wanshow 2 laptop okay it just goes away it gives me no information whatsoever i did hey save and open okay with photos no way hey you up okay so it works as long as you're you know okay not bad not bad can you share with me probably um something that's kind of funny is i think there's a setting in teams to turn on D&D anytime you're on a call. So literally Microsoft's own software is going to block Microsoft's other software from working? I mean, you say that like it surprises you. I actually want to... Okay, hold on.

Do not disturb. Okay, so do not disturb is back on. Can you try to send me something again? Yeah, I sure can. I mean, I didn't realize we were doing a detailed investigation into the... Yeah, well, we are now. Reliability of... Anything to delay the wing.

What? Okay, it just sent me a notification anyways. So, I don't know um wait are they all coming through now no this just told me that it finished but i i turned dnd on and what i was hoping was that if i just manually opened the notifications panel maybe it would show it in there so like if dnd is on but you know a file is going to be shared you could grab it but then it just sent me the So like if D and D is on, but you know, a file is going to be shared, you could grab it. But then it just sent me the notification, even though do not disturb is on.

So that's cool. Now I'm going to send you something. Am I the only one who absolutely hates that windows even has a notification shade at all? No, not at all. I use them for absolutely nothing other than to get in my way when i'm trying to click something in the system tray you want to know something really

fun i learned that it has a notification tray thing uh right now i've never used it before i had no idea it was a thing people said check notifications and i was like this is probably where it's gonna be and then yeah it was right there yeah occasionally i'll get like um okay i turned on my my vr machine for the first time in like three weeks or something um at some point like this was not recent this was a while back and that machine is signed into floatplane so that i can monitor chat and so i can stream to floatplane or something like it was signed in for some reason. And I literally couldn't use my computer to click. I was trying to click something in the system tray.

I literally couldn't access it for over a minute because of every float plane upload that queued up. Sorry, am I supposed to see something? Yeah, but you probably have D&D on. I don't even know where to set Do Not Disturb in Windows. Just search Do Not Disturb. I got it though.

You know what's interesting? My side gave me a little thing. No way. Yeah. Okay. So let me do this again. I'm going to send it to you again. Share.

With Wancho Laptop 1. And then see the bottom right hand corner? Oh. Sharing to Wanchoo Laptop 1, and then see the bottom right-hand corner? Oh! Sharing to Wancho 1 Laptop, download.png, waiting for Wancho 1 Laptop to accept. That's totally fine. Did it not do that for you?

No. What the heck? So it has the ability to punch through Do Not Disturb, and it might just not inform you that it's waiting for a transfer or something? You're Windows 11. Are you Windows 10? I am.

Oh, maybe it got better. Interesting. I thought we both got force upgraded to Windows 11. I just showed up one day and it was Windows 11. Probably someone accidentally clicked it. I mean, that's what my kids did with the computer downstairs. I was really annoyed because as far as I can tell, there wasn't an easy way to go back. Hot take. I like it. I run Windows windows 11 at home i've never looked back really yep

do go on i just haven't had a single issue literally never what yep zero i also noticed you didn't even bother to move your start menu to the proper nope position and it's in the middle at home and i like it what about the okay are you are you taking the piss no what about combined taskbar icons i would lose my mind if i couldn't expand i've actually been combining them since like windows 7 yeah i don't know how do you guys work effectively i didn't know that was new with windows 11 i've been doing that i'm an executive you think i do real work it's all emails dude yeah yeah okay valid you got your email client and then teams and slack and and discord for talking to a few creators and a browser actually probably a few browsers

and then a few windows of each browsers browser and then a ton of tabs in each one of those windows and then i just like wreck my ram and that's there we go i'm free windows and teams that's my quadrants yeah yep it Yep. It's inefficient. What do you mean? Oh, I guess if you have them open at the same time, always, I have three monitors. Yeah.

Got to use the screen real estate, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I have a big monitor. I miss, I miss my, uh,

multi monitors. I like actually, I, I, I think I'm an outlier on the third monitor productivity step. Really? I think I actually use it more than most people do. Oh, I mean, I was a big third monitor guy when I was at NCIX.

Yeah. I had four actually. Because they say like the second monitor is like a big productivity step, but then the third monitor is supposed to be this like tiny single digit percentage one. I needed all four. tiny single digit percentage one i i needed all four so the the three were i had um i had our internal system which i think you probably remember like our internal like yeah content management system and like product management system and then i would have um one monitor would have a second one of those so that I could refer to and utilize both.

And then would also, I would have as like my alternate view on that one, our live site. And then the third one, I would usually have like manufacturer product info so that I could, or I would have our Canadian and our US internal systems. And then I would have manufacturer product info. And then my last monitor was for uh internal uh interoffice messages uh which some people used msn some people used other things i think but basically like internal comms i have i have stuff like you know in teams or in my situation more often but i do also do it in teams uh your your call window is a new window so i have a dedicated spot where that goes whenever i'm in a live call for teams or slack that goes in one dedicated spot i never put anything else

there that way i can always see everyone that's in the call is my mic open or not all that kind of stuff it's but if i had two monitors that would take away extremely valuable real estate but because it's on a third monitor, it's nowhere near as valuable real estate. So I can dedicate room to that. And then I'm never hunting for it to mute and unmute my mic, which is immediately notable time-safe.

You should get good and get a hardware mute button. Yeah. Got him. For a while there, I don't know if it's possible now, but for a while there, you couldn't rebind it in Slack. And it was a really annoying key bind that i really remind remember i i this is this was a long time ago and i've never looked at it since this is like a very long time ago

it's very possibly changed ever since linus is gonna yell at me but i should look into it again go xlr like legitimately go xlr i mean there there's a whole thing now though Dan like they're not getting driver development anymore they've like abandoned it they're like kind of sketchy someone in chat if I can find it where'd it go the name was Archangel of Death

which was really intense cringe you're making fun of floatplate people's usernames come on maybe maybe they just are you don't know um okay i can't find it but they were saying that windows 11 has an annoying bug where when you put uh windows explore windows behind something they have a uh they they pop forward see like i've never had that happen i've had like no issues with the windows side of things i don't know all right so just so you know i'm also windows 11 at home i also have no problems

jeez man i actually finally reformatted my system so why do you wait why do you resist that one changing then i don't know it's a habit just i just don't care like honestly it's more than i just i'm i'm not i'm not keen on putting in the work to reopen all the tabs that i like open yeah it just that's how little difference windows 10 versus windows 11 makes to me on a machine where all i ever do is look at these three side by side things so honestly i feel exactly the same way one of my systems force upgraded and i was just like all right all right and i'm like it's not worth the time to me to force this back down to windows 10 when i could just single button click on all the rest of the computers and now i'm just running Windows 11. With me, it was that I finally upgraded, I finally got rid of the bad ancient Windows install. Remember I talked to you about this when we were doing the AMD challenge?

My Windows install is messed up. It's been through multiple platforms, and most importantly, it was installed on an NVMe RAID. So even though I'm no longer running nvme raid for my boot drive i have to have nvme raid drivers installed or it will blue screen instead of actually booting and that has been inconvenient a couple of times um so finally i i treated myself to a really stupid boot drive i picked up an optane boot drive because this is my last chance to run optane i'm like you know what i'm gonna see if i can find a scenario where it like matters at all and maybe it'll be a video or something but i'm gonna i'm gonna run

optane so i have a single optane drive instead of you know rated stupidity um and as i was installing windows doing a fresh install i realized that the drive that i had put in to install from was a windows 11 drive and i was like yeah yeah exactly like i could take 20 minutes and i could whatever with that said i have had some problems with windows 11 on other machines my kids upgraded the vr machine to windows 11 unbeknownst to me and undecided by me because they probably just clicked on it yeah and then the issue that i had was that it wouldn't go to sleep anymore so i had to go in and i had to play around with some i think it was it ended up being network driver kajiggery in order to get the thing

to stay asleep because it would just immediately wake up because for whatever reason, the network driver was kind of bugged in Windows 11 or something like that. So I'm not saying that every experience is going to be perfect and smooth like Luke's was or like mine was on my personal rig. Yeah, I'm not suggesting it necessarily. I just, I run it on my work PC.

I run it on my work laptop. That I'm not sure if you're supposed to do. Is that approved internally yet? Sure. Approved. What? Got them. Running Windows 11 on your work stuff?

Yeah. I thought we're all Windows 10 still. Why does it matter? Why would it matter for Luke? Well, just know because, well, okay, because Luke should be setting it up. No, wait, this came up in conversation. I asked you about this, Luke. Didn't I?

Sure. Somebody actually asked me. My show is turning into a meeting again. Let's go. Somebody asked me, is it okay if I install Windows 11? Which was actually beautiful. I really appreciate that. And I think it was...

Do you know you're going to like it? Mine was another unintentional situation. I didn't want it to happen. It just did. I personally disabled TPM modules in the motherboard bias on my computers at home so that it can't automatically upgrade itself. That sounds like such a Dan thing to do. I hate Windows 11. I can't work.

It destroys my productivity. Here's a question. Okay. Pull them out with a pair of pliers. You know you can't uncombine taskbar icons, right? That's new. productivity. Here's a question. Okay. Pull them out with a pair of pliers. You know you can uncombine taskbar icons, right? That's new. Yeah. So I might switch, but.

Okay. I mean, it made me extremely angry when initially, Luke, if you bring up your start menu or your taskbar, right click it. Just the taskbar itself. Oh. When task manager wasn't here. And look, I know, I know know control shift escape blah blah blah blah blah my but that is no it's actually not a very natural position for me yeah whereas my hand is

almost always on my mouse right click task like that's muscle memory for me do not take that away they brought that back clearly that happened so fast i think it was an exec so that's my theory someone really high up was like what the fuck give me this back put it back now because they didn't put back anything else i don't remember the exact timeline yeah but i think it was my work laptop that flipped first and i didn't switch any of the other stuff until they implemented that and then i switched everything because i drove me nuts, right? Right.

When you told me to right click it, I knew where you're going with it. Cause I remembered that that was so annoying. Here's a question though. Yeah. Is yours, is your icons, are they centered or left, left aligned?

Oh, left. Do you left aligned everything? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I decided that I was going to try it for a while. I was like, I I'm almost certainly going to left align these.

But, you know, some designer out there thought this was a neat idea. Let me try it for a little bit. Yeah, back in 1998 or whenever the heck Apple started putting them in the middle. Like, it's not cool today. It's not trendy. I just don't care. The Windows search is so useless. I pretty much never open the start menu

like actually I manually find my stuff these days I open file explorer and I go to the thing that I want instead of trying to type it in if it's a Windows setting if it's a Windows setting I'll type it in but that's very rare for me it's more about landmarking my mouse position because i will i will i won't windows e for file explorer i just click it um so i so i i i go down all the way down to the left i don't have to think about it i don't have to look at it and just slam it over a corner because you're a single monitor person as well interesting i wonder if that's part of it why don't you pin it to the because i can't do the same thing it would slide onto my i don't get into the taskbar i pin it right next to the start button okay so I can't do the same thing. It would slide onto my side monitor. I do pin it to the taskbar.

I pin it right next to the start button. Okay. So I go all the way down landmark. Yep. And then it's right there. So for me, it's more just that putting it in the middle means I have to figure out where my cursor is and carry it to where it needs to go, which is stupid. Why am I doing that? With multiple monitors, though, i don't have a huge i could like digitally raise the side ones to make a a trap or something but like that is such a stupid workaround that if

you ever did that i would feel bad for you yeah i did not do that i wouldn't even like you anymore that's it that's the line that's actually line. I took my three monitors and I digitally configured two of them to be three pixels higher than the middle one so that I could trap my mouse in a little monitor trough so that I could... No, that is just... It's a solution. I didn't say it was a good one.

I'm losing so much respect for you. I didn't even do it! Just the idea! What do you mean? The the idea I'm going to need you to move offices oh my god we have one more merch message to do if you want I can't believe how much shame I just got for literally not even doing something

well I mean for me it's the fact that you thought of it I mean I'm probably going to leave just because both of you use windows 11 so they they brought back uncombined also i will say it's it's prettier yeah but if you want pretty you should just run vista best look controversial opinion best looking windows like tons of issues with that well yeah why does your operating system being pretty matter i mean that's really what i do with my computer these days bro i just use chrome i should just have a chromebook who cares everything is just chrome i mean that's that's the future linus thinks can we arch linux i think it's coming yeah yeah yeah it's

scary i don't like that you've officially coldened i i bet you our workflows i bet you my current workflow is more similar to coldens than most other people in the company really so he probably spends most of his time you clean out your desk every day like he probably spends most of his time in like browsers and messaging apps yeah and that's what i do i almost exclusively live in browsers and messaging yeah script review i'd still tend to do in word that's how but work works the alex brought me a uh a script in google docs today and we ended up doing the review in google Docs. And it was mostly okay. What did you not like? Because we have found... Yes.

Oh, no. He pointed at me. What now? We have found... I don't know if this is applicable for Linus. I'm just saying. We have found that some people don't like certain solutions because they just don't know everything that you can do with them.

I know how to use Google Docs. Yeah, but do you, though? Yes. Maybe we could show you the magic of google i know how to use google docs okay all right well so what did you know that you can live collaborate one of the problems with google docs is that your settings are on a per document basis so if someone brings you a doc that doesn't have the correct uh spacing set so one of the things that really bothers me is automatic double spacing i don't like pressing ctrl enter in order to get a single space and so and and the reason is not just like an irrational hatred of double spacing it's

because it's not efficient on the prompter and usually when i'm editing text it's for a teleprompter you can change default settings you can but what i think that's per user yeah it's per no it's for a teleprompter you can change default settings you can but what i think that's per user yeah it's per no it's per document no you can change your default settings sure but that doesn't help me sorry sorry sorry that doesn't help me if someone brings in a document they created okay new solution we can use the api to force a change to everyone in the organization there's a template no but i don't think that's that unreasonable to be completely honest really to make it so that you can't have double spacing yeah screw i'm with luke i mean uh i hate double spacing sucks and if they want it if they want it they could go change it on that document but we could change on an organizational level the defaults

level the defaults are you a hundred percent sure that you can do that i'm genuinely like i'm gonna say 92 and a half percent sure hold on a second there's some pretty powerful things you can do in the google admin all right hold on a second okay bringing up my google docs here the thing the hills that we choose to die on it just magical. You gotta live a little sometimes. It's true, though. This one's not doing it. It must be something that other people do then. Yeah, your employees are wrong. But there was...

I swear to you guys. You know what? No, I think we figured out what it was. It was from someone pasting something into google docs to the point where even when we just paste without formatting yeah control shift v i didn't paste it so to the point where to the point where even if we changed the uh so even if we went into format uh line and paragraph spacing and changed everything it wasn't fixing that chunk of it or something like it was,

it was really annoying. Alex figured it out after he left, um, and messaged me and I was like, Oh, that's it. That's interesting. That's a solution.

But there, there, there have been things that have been a little bit annoying. I really don't like the way that Google docs, uh, handles many, many comments on document, but then I also hate the way that word does it now.

So, okay, cool. Oh, okay. Cool. I don't have a lot of experience with Words, but I notably dislike how Google Docs does it. It takes up way too much space. I need better density. There's a lot of wasted space. I wish there was almost just like a view option.

You know how they have like comfortable and compact? Yeah. Let me have that view option for comments yeah microsoft microsoft word commenting has been a complete cluster for like the last few years it was really good before and now it takes that sort of collaborative cloud editing um approach even though i'm not collaborating and this is not in the cloud where you have to i think that's them trying to not have a huge amount of differentiation between standard Word and SharePoint Word. I get it, but I don't want to close out

editing a comment every time. I want to just click away from it and start working on another comment and not have it tell me, no, you can't work on this comment while you still have an open comment. That's utterly ridiculous. Yeah, that's annoying.

It makes absolutely no sense. I didn't know that was even a thing, but that's annoying. Yeah, it's really frustrating. That actually feels like very old school cloud collaborative, not new school cloud collaborative. Yep. New school would just leave it there and you could come update it when you want. Yep.

No, it's extremely frustrating. That's working. Yeah, I mean, I am familiar with Google Docs. I use it very regularly, including writing scripts in it. I do find sometimes it's little things like cursor and selection handling. I do like the way that Word does it better. It's not perfect. That might be just a matter of being a little bit more used to it

I got I won't say their name because I actually really like this person I genuinely think it's funny so I don't want to throw them under the bus so I won't say their name but I asked for a SharePoint demo from a microsoft rep that i know i was like hey like we're thinking about using this thing internally yeah um but

like it takes some you know like it setup on our side i really just want to like let some people dip their toes in it i didn't say all this but i i said can i get a demo we want to see how it works before we like do the work to set it up yeah um and he sent me a cd key and i was like what is this and i got roasted because i guess he thought i didn't know what a cd key was and i was like bro no i wanted a demo like i didn't want demo software demo desk yeah i wanted a demonstration and then it just never went anywhere oh that's extremely unfortunate um i was like oh all right okay that's fine okay cool dan what are we supposed to be doing right now you have to answer the third merch message oh okay what was the question uh i remember what the last one was uh hey lld i get

to watch a birthday wanshow yay happy birthday being the water cooling nut you are what do you think is missing from the water cooling water cooling space that you would make to make it easier oh that's a good question i mean okay uh this has been attempted time and time and time again and i think with additive manufacturing maybe we're finally gonna get there pretty soon but do you remember um do you remember detec unisyncs well there's a uh whoa is this very old yeah i think so yeah uh here we go let me see if i can let me see if i can find a picture in this article uh Here we go. By the way, lots of feedback in the full-plane chat about how awful SharePoint is.

So sick. Yeah. Maybe we'll just be going with Google Docs. This is a Unisync. Yeah. It's a heatsink designed to go onto your GPU along with a, I mean, this is not going to be great quality. Okay, no, we're not going to be able to zoom that far.

There we go. Along with a GPU block that handles cooling the graphics processing unit itself to handle the RAM and VRMs and all of that good stuff. Let's go ahead and go to installation here. So the finished installation should look a little something like this. A block to handle the actual heat generating components and then a big heat sink fin array that shouldn't need too much airflow over it in order to handle the rest now i think with modern gddr6x and i mean presumably whatever is coming after that it may be optimistic to handle those components with basic heat sinks like that.

So maybe, maybe a future like this will, or maybe I shouldn't say a future like this, maybe something like this will never be possible again in the future. But I think it would be absolutely incredible if we could go back to non PCB specific GPU blocks and just use a standardized block just like we do on cpus with a hold down plate that you can swap out if you get a new gpu and then just uh i don't know whether it's whether it's like you know a company that designs these these unisyncs these these

cooling these aluminum cooling plates or you know whether they design them and stock them or whether they measure everything and then you know they just 3d print them out of you know aluminum on demand i'm not aware of anyone who's doing additive manufacturing with aluminum just yet but i know you can 3d print in some metals and then you just order one and they basically print it, kind of sand down the bottom so that it's flat and offers a good mounting surface, and then you just get it in the mail or whatever. It should be, theoretically, a fraction of the cost of these all-copper, machined from a giant hunk of metal, single GPU solutions that we have today.

And I would love to see that return because it's one of the things that makes water cooling so expensive. A pump, you can carry forward to multiple builds. A reservoir, you can carry forward for multiple builds. I used my last D5 pump for over 10 years before it finally gave up the ghost. And a a reservoir if you maintain it properly there's no reason that you couldn't use it longer than that especially if it's a good reservoir that uses o-ring seals rather than just um gluing together acrylic panels so cpu block unless you must have another degree off or two degrees off or whatever, you could still be using a CPU block from 10 years ago. Nothing would prevent that. The one piece that you have to spend $150 on plus

every time is a GPU block. So if you could just spend, you know, 70, 80 bucks on one once, and then every generation you spend 20, 30 bucks on a new all-in-one heatsink, I could see it being more accessible because it's still a gigantic upfront investment, but at least it's something where you are carrying forward the vast majority of these components as you continue to upgrade your system over the years. So that's something that I think I would change if I could. Apparently there are some rocket and defense companies that are doing aluminum additive manufacturing.

Okay. So yeah, maybe we're not that far off. That would be super cool. Is it time for me to pick a topic? Yes. No! No! No! He almost got me. No. It's got me. No.

It's too quick. Illegal. Not allowed. It's wing time. I think you mean it's morphin' time. Dude, that's so weird. Okay, so here. Why did they ever do this?

I used to really like LG phones. Okay, are you really not going to hold it up to the people? It doesn't have anything confidential on it right now. I guess it signed into my email. That's a surprisingly smooth action. You can just do it with one thumb like that. No problem. No, you can.

You can't? I have a really small hands luke okay you can't just simulate having small hands it's slippery grab it with a couple pencils it's extremely slippery it's also really heavy band excuse get me today it is fairly heavy but my my pixel pro is also really heavy. Dan just keeps getting me today. It is fairly heavy, but my Pixel Pro is also pretty heavy. I can't tell a big difference between them. Show off. Jeez. It wasn't my point.

I was stunned at how heavy the Pixel Pro was, Pixel 8 Pro was. Hmm. Hmm. I was stunned at how heavy the Pixel Pro was, Pixel 8 Pro was. For me, it's less about the heaviness and less about the ease of flipping the thing. It's more about what the f*** would I ever do with this? And they provide a little, there's like a little tutorial actually playing right now. Make sure you don't swipe that away

so that I can kind of capture it yeah sort of introducing swivel home software that definitely was worth developing um someone's actual job like someone's actual life force was consumed to create at the same time this is why i wish lg was still making phones because like it feels well made and it works yeah like that's kind of crazy whether they sell like 50 of these or something like and they went through the engineering of making it feel like an actual like very solid real product yeah the the fact that that this made it past creating a functional prototype and going is insane it's kind of mind-blowing that's probably why they're not in phones anymore but like they made good phones they actually did a good job of

making the phone yeah i just don't the business guidance was a little questionable i can't believe that this thing is still getting software updates yeah like that's why i didn't think they were going to be able to get me to use it because you have to do it like that you can't do it are you sure look so the problem is that it's hard for me to hold on to this without slipping on it when i am when i'm like yeah i can but it's hard to it's hard to reach up high enough dang it oh the gesture controls also on a phone with basically no chin bezel getting all the way down there is killing me i need buttons so what happens is i don't know maybe part of it is just the way that i hold phones but this is sliding on my pinky right now.

So it's hard for me to push the front screen without it interfering there. And like, yeah, I can get it. Can you see it really quick? I want to see how I do it. I have a question. Does it open the other direction? No. Oh, yeah.

I'm left-handed. I could not use this phone. You go like this, right? You do pinky under, so I do pinky to the side. Okay. So pinky to the side. Well, how do you, how do you, how do you touch the bottom of your screen? Cause I can't, I can't touch the, I can't touch the bottom of my screen like that. So yeah, I think I i think i must just have a different ergonomic strat yeah no there's no way i could reach that like not even close

oh yeah like that's as close as i can get to the bottom of my screen with my pinky here so i have to hold it at the bottom so i can get my hand lower and that's the only way that i can get almost all the way across to the icon at the bottom so i can get my hand lower and that's the only way that i can get almost all the way across to the icon on the far left side i'm just getting rid of my notifications yeah so i can do that yeah like that so so small small hands that was like i can do this one-handed ish but it's like yeah putting it back feels like a like a a high-risk maneuver. Yeah. Anyway, I promised here on the show I would do the official SIM swap. The SIM swap.

I was fidgeting with my SIM tool earlier. It's lucky I'm able to find it now. All right. Out it comes. Oh, rip SD card. Man, gotta love those Note 9 things. Best phone. Actually the best phone.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Do you want to see something wild? Yes. Hold on one sec. Oh my God. Oh my God. It looks hilarious watching him use it. When you have it like this, okay, you either need to enter your pin here or you can unlock with

your fingerprint oh that's so goofy just put it on the back of the phone that's that's my biggest gripe with this actually um is that the the there's no like i got so used to my previous pixel where unlocking and also okay my biggest my absolute biggest gripe out of everything with this phone was with my previous phone you could swipe down on the fingerprint reader on the back and it would pull down your menu from the top so you didn't have to adjust your hand at all you just go and now i can't do that yeah you can you can uh pull down the menu from like not being on a particular i don't really want to show my screen it's something that google doesn't do a great job of it's just sort of continuity of features yeah across their product like that that within the first day of

using it i like hated it because it didn't have that feature yeah and now it's i would say it's acceptable just because it isn't just because it isn't this and or that like i'm holding this phone what exactly it genuinely looks hilarious the utility it looks like you're holding a carousel up here a small toy what did i even oh wow this is hilarious video this is a gimbal mode so you can record your video at a you know fraction of the quality wait why pan around inside it with digital zoom because you're a big dumb idiot i guess is a reason that i could think of for that but that's not actually what i wanted to show you uh what i wanted to show you was this um but why is why is anything that i'm looking at

happening right now where's where's just regular old camera mode that's a good sign okay here we go here we go here we go here we go okay you ready yeah whoa pop-up camera i forgot that this phone had a pop-up camera like the one plus whatever the crap it was pop-up headlights dude love it wow so it has um yeah because it's that's one thing i do like about it is that it's all screen all the time tiny forehead bar tiny chin bar camera just actually all screen baby i was wondering what that slot out at the top was earlier actually it's a lot out like the the up here where the camera comes oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't know what to call it, but yeah. Door, I guess. Sure, I don't know.

Okay. Let's go ahead and put it in. No way. It does have a micro SD slot. Hilarious. I would love, love if this story ended with you being like, I think it's pretty cool after using it for a while. Luke, we know that's not going to happen.

I don't think it's going to. But it would be so cool. Even just picking the stupid thing up off the desk. Like I'll go to, particularly with my left hand, I'll go to grab it and like it'll slide. It'll slide apart a little bit. Because in order to have the hinge be loose enough that you can easily activate it,

it also just is like kind of all over the place like it's yeah it's an absolute joke oh boy i'm not even gonna bother putting my sd card in here i don't have anything on it anyway i never use it which is a cool feature and you wanted to use it yeah it's just i i'm i'm gonna get the full value out of my phone yeah i'm more glad that it you know has it or whatever yeah for sure uh but i i i got some some intel from a phone menu from someone i actually trust at a phone manufacturer and he's like honestly the reason that it's gone is not because like that space mattered or because like people like hated users a big part of the reason that it's gone is because micro SD cards tend to be the cheapest,

crappiest and tend to be very unreliable. And if they break, people are gonna be mad at the phone. Yeah, that makes sense. And, and so he was like, yeah,

it's one of those things where the vast majority of users are like, are chill and understand, but for the rest of them, why are we doing this we're creating extra tech support and extra negative brand perception for what yep um so that we cannot sell phones that are more expensive because they have more internal storage like this is this is actually harmful in every way but that makes me not blame them at all because i totally get it but it's just frustrating that that's the reality that sucks yeah I don't

think that that is the same excuse I don't think that's the same reason the headphone jack is ultimately gone that just seems to be you can change the back to double tap to open notifications what what part of it

just you just tap the back of it how do you even do that i actually tried to look for this because i saw i noticed that the g is like a different texture it's partially mirrored and i was like that could actually be a touch thingy gestures like right now if i if i tap it nothing happens there's no indication that anything could happen nothing's going on so how do i even find gestures now everyone's going to see how dumb i am with phones okay i just had to add some notes to my wing to my wing review like using the fingerprint sensor in wing mode is hilarious what's up oh no my system is four days out of date nice i'm still getting software updates it's actually crazy that it can be

even four install update to keep device secure install Install now. Installing a security update. Oh, wow. This is a T-Mobile update. What? I don't see this option. Our customer's privacy, whatever. Okay. Well, sure. I mean, that's not a T-Mobile SIM.

You know what? I don't actually know if this thing works on my carrier or in my region. Welcome to the new video calling dialer. Support.t-mobile.com. I mean, I'm not on T-Mobile, so let's see. I'm going to call Luke LaFrendo here. Oh, no! Oh, gross!

Okay, so one of my favorite features, as I think many of you will know, is T9 dialing. So instead of me bringing up a text search box and then typing with a keyboard, I can just press 5853 and that will bring up Luke LaFrendo. And on my Samsung phone, they support swipe right to call, swipe left to text so i'll just go five eight five three swipe right and i can call luke in like actually under a second um on this one you click the name and then it finish it completes filling in the phone number so then you still have to go press call yeah one more interaction which is basically my kryptonite i hate unnecessary interactions and interfaces they i knew that about you very quickly when like one of the first few days we worked together you went on this huge rant about the internal software at ncx because they like added a button click you're like how could you possibly do this well it didn't serve any function it didn't do anything

other than just be and and it's more bad at the time no it's more than just the button click it's the fact that there was a slow loading time associated with the extra button press and it was one that i had to press a***ing a hundred times a day. Yeah, actual notable productivity loss. And the people who spec the change never use these tools. They touch it once a day, just they don't actually work with it. They just watch other people work with it.

And so they didn't understand what they were changing. So it was stupid. That was my problem. And it did nothing i have bad things to say about the back button thing first of all on my previous pixel it was slightly indented so you could find it with your finger without looking considering it's on the back of the phone this has nothing to it you can bear i can i can sort of maybe tell that it's there because there's like slightly more grip for a second but it's really hard to tell also before all i had to do was slide my finger down like that

very natural to bring down a tray you pull down now i have to tap twice on something that i i don't know where it is so i'm just going like i can't find i genuinely i'm genuinely trying now i'm genuinely i still haven't got it where is it okay now i gotta feel gotta feel there it is that's not working there we go i got it like what no internet no phone calls i might have to do some stupid kajiggery i i hope it supports my bands here because i really want to use this phone for a month just tap anywhere okay if it's just tap anywhere then it's horrible it sounds like the sounds like the kick sensor on the trunk of my car theoretically you just have to like bash it oh oh okay you can't no that's also not working hey dan this is this is bad you're on the clock hey yes yes uh what are the odds that you want

to set up my um my my stupid apn settings and stuff. Yeah, sure. Okay. That seems like a thing Dan could do. I have a lot of practice because I buy Chinese phones and they don't necessarily work in Canada. Okay. And it drives me mental. Cool. Because I don't want to do it.

I can do it, but I have to learn how to do it every time. It's one of those things where I only do it once every two years. There's no sensor on the back of the phone. It's an accelerometer. Oh, shut up that's what that's what chat's saying apparently you just actually have to bash it that's so much

worse and now because of that i feel like it's just gonna open when i don't want it to all the time awesome so i'm just gonna end up turning it off anyways hey robin c just bought a lux backpack hey joining the crew lux crew, let's go. Do we have reviews for those yet? No, we haven't shipped any out yet. Oh, right. It's like a... It's a pre-sale, basically. I mean, it's the same backpack, but in a different material, so we decided we were okay with it.

That's fair enough. What are we supposed to be doing right now? Topics. Oh, topics. I want to talk about Activision's confidential arms deal. Yeah. According to the Wall Street Journal, Activision made a secret deal with arms maker Remington

to feature its adaptive combat rifle in 2009's Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2. No money was exchanged, but both parties agreed to keep the deal confidential. So why do we know? Well, the details of the deal were outlined in internal Remington documents that were uncovered during a lawsuit that was filed by parents of victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in 2012. Remington

settled that suit last year for $73 million. These documents outline a strategy on the part of Remington to increase its appeal with younger audiences. This is a quote. With increasing urbanization and access to shooting and hunting areas in decline, a primary means for young potential shooters to come into contact with firearms and ammunition is through virtual gaming scenarios. That is the most corpo-speak way of describing games have guns in them that I think I've ever heard. One memo noted that while the company would not allow branded weapons in games where players can shoot at non-military bad guys, it wouldn't oppose replicas of its guns in those games because, and this is a quote, previous experience tells us people will seek out the brands of the guns a lack of direct branding helps to shield us from implications of a direct endorsement while still receiving benefit from

inclusion in the game so we have some discussion questions here but the thing that i really wanted to talk about is in this case no money changed hands and um you know it's yeah no money changed hands. And, you know, it's, yeah, no money changed hands. So I would say that it's not the same as other product placements, but the fact that it could go completely undisclosed raises a lot of questions for me about, I don't know, everything I see in a video game. Because certain types of advertising are actually reasonably well regulated like influencer product endorsements for example now are

at least from a rules standpoint very well laid out you can't say anything you don't actually believe so you can't disguise advertising talking points as personal opinion uh you can't disguise paid content as organic content um there you have to disclose in ways x y and z at least y amount earlier in the content and there's all these there's all these rules around it but it seems like somehow whether we're're talking about movies or TV or video games, product placements don't seem to have any of the same kinds of guidelines. Yeah. And sometimes, like in this case, I'm sitting here thinking, I don't know. Like we have LG laptops.

What about this jerky that we could eat? But that was disclosed. we have LG laptops. What about this jerky that we could eat? But that was just, that was disclosed. That was, yeah. We have LG laptops. Your LG logo is viewable. Is it? Probably not the most easily. I mean, I have, oh, oh, it verified.

I put a verified sticker next to it. Right before it, but not on top of it. So you can see that you have an LG laptop. Now, if you had a discussion with lg and we're like can we call these lg laptops instead of zp laptops and they're like sure and then you never talked about it yeah i mean i guess there's no money exchange hands yeah and like it's a game with firearms so they like i don't know but a clear benefit took place for sure and a clear benefit is happening for lg so for you having an lg laptop on your desk well there's no benefit to me in this case but in the case of the of the activision

um remington deal there's a clear benefit to both sides especially in modern gaming where they're gonna sell skins on these guns so we're not talking about like an insignificant people are gonna be way more interested in an officially licensed you know like like you think that's properly model almost every gun that has sorry almost every game that has a Glock in it sure just calls them like a something ever so slightly different but it's obviously a Glock in it. Sure. Just calls them like a, something ever so slightly different, but it's obviously a Glock. And they sell a ton of skins because everyone knows anyways.

I guess that's true. But then I'm thinking of like, okay, you know, thinking about like a game like World of Tanks where one of their schticks is the super accurate modeling of of of the that exact you know model of tank or whatever else so i see your point but i also do think there's a clear value to accurately modeled weapons and vehicles um so you know what i don't think you're completely wrong i feel like we're running

into a handshake moment yeah i i under i definitely understand both points i don't think it's completely i think the value is very unclear but it's not measurable yeah but it's it's like an intrinsic it's an intrinsic value i think there is value. I know that the relationship between racing game developers and car manufacturers is complicated in much the same way. Where some of them, there's deep cooperation. And in others, you end up with these sort of unlicensed lookalikes. these sort of unlicensed lookalikes um and for and that's a space where i can tell you 100 that there is a strong preference from gamers for the cars to be authentic that one i do know and handle in an authentic way yeah for sure that that one is very true i i don't know i know people okay here's an example of a company that just has never cared at all as far as I can

tell and just did it anyways uh battlefront but no tarkov yeah isn't that battle or battle state yeah yeah sorry battlefront sorry yeah I meant to say battle state yeah but they're in Russia so like who's gonna enforce it and and I do think that community sees some benefit but honestly oh that community 100 percent i don't i don't think it's talked about that much that the brand is correct i do well that the characteristics are modeling and the characteristics being correct is that matters a lot and hotly debated um but if it was a smlock instead of a block i don't think no people would care no people would be mad about that because it's a stupid smlock um i don't know um

yeah anyways there's definitely value sure Sure. I just want to... I guess what I want is more clear disclosures around product placement or I want our team to sell way more product placements. Yeah, one of those two. Because if we can just take money from everyone

and not have to disclose any of it then sure that sounds great guys chill what i find we disclose things okay i just i just mean it's uh it just it just seems like okay fine i i wish it could be this way but if it's not going to be this way then i should at least be i should at least be getting paid too by the way no uh the answer is no uh lg does not pay for this placement the reason these are here is because nobody wanted to use them internally which is ironic because they're grams and the main point of them is that they're super light and they never get here and never move and they sit here and never move yeah um the gram was a really really great concept when it first came out and then i feel like just over time they iterated and iterated and it got like a little bit better.

And then everyone else kind of caught up. Not going to lie. Um, this thing is way less stupid than I initially thought. This like all screen folding the jig. You saw me using it in the meeting the other day, right? Oh yeah. Wait, it looks different though. Yeah. Looked like it had a way bigger screen. screen folding the jig you saw me using it in the meeting the other day right oh yeah wait it looked different though yeah looked like it had a way bigger screen yeah yeah oh i see what happens now okay i understand it's pretty cool i uh i was expecting to kind of dunk on it

this might happen with the wig this might happen with the wig we can believe it's uh it's not booting we can it's not booting all right maybe not it just it oh just oh wait it's booted oh all right it's been sitting there for like three minutes the screen also just goes black sometimes though oh no no it just it just does like i'll like i'll i'll unlock it with my fingerprint it'll just like go black for like three seconds no we're saying t-mobile for like ages oh nice uh i need you to unlock it again uh okay nintendo says no fun allowed again very cool nintendo has released strict new guidelines for community tournaments which is to say uh tournaments without an official license from nintendo uh highlights from the new guidelines

include that tournaments must be run at or below cost that organizers must publicly disclose costs and revenue that there may not be any sponsors any selling of food drinks or merch there may not be spectator fees for online tournaments there must be a cap of 200 participants in person or 300 online there should be no prizes exceeding a market value of 5 000 euros total and those are the ones in the dock but i i remember there being a couple of others that just felt utterly ridiculous um hold on where's the where's the dock uh blah blah blah okay here here's the here's the ninte i don't know whoops well whatever uh the whatever the point is they must have reached the legal age of majority may not oh I remember

one of them was that they capped here we go for in person community tournaments organizers that have reached the legal age of majority in their jurisdiction may collect an admission fee from spectators of not more than the equivalent of 14 pounds or 15 pounds per person which one is

it i don't know i guess based on how restrictive the rest of this is i would err on the side of caution and go with 14 yeah um what is a community tournament a community tournament must meet the following requirements nintendo's copyrighted games will be used in the tournament. Nintendo, that is actually not the f*** how this works. Yeah, I don't think this should be legal at all, and I'm actually pissed off. So, the Smash community is such an incredibly dedicated, surprisingly small group of people. I've been, like, vaguely paying attention to it for quite a few years now just because it's like fascinating to me that it still survives despite all of these constant attacks from nintendo i was in like the the starcraft scene for a while my brother was a

caster i really enjoyed playing i watched a lot of the the professional games um and it was fascinating how robust of like infrastructure and community was formed around this game that had zero support from blizzard oftentimes blizzard being antagonistic yeah and then i have since been out of the sarcoph scene and it's been interesting watching the smash scene because i see a lot of similarities but it's way worse because nintendo is not just like mildly antagonistic they are very antagonistic like what are you even saying with all this first of all i don't think it should be legal for a company to even do this and then second of all like screw off dude people want to play your game and have fun around it let them do it and if some people make a bit of money who cares calm down it's actually okay

that should be a good thing what do you mean like if it builds up a grassroots scene yeah and you can ultimately turn it into like a like a bigger thing or something at some point like how could how are you how are you so short-sighted here and like okay yeah we get it people are talking about it's not copyright it's that you own a license of the game but not actually the game so what the difference between if everyone owns a license of a game the fact that someone can come in and dictate how many of us can be in one place and f***ing play it. That's absurd. That should be illegal.

It actually makes no sense. It's completely BS. You know what? You know what? Luke. Are we hosting a Smash tournament? We're hosting a Smash tournament. Let's go!

Okay. Sick. When we have the LAN center open yeah we will host a 201 person smash tournament i will break as many of these guidelines as humanly possible i'm pretty sure i know people that would cast it and i challenge nintendo to come after me okay fuck you do you want to cast it i don't yeah of course i of course. I'll work on it. Like, I just, there is absolutely no feasible way. There is no possible way. This makes, this makes no sense.

Like, listen to this. Listen to this. You can't have a tournament in which participants are paid a performance fee or other expenses. I can't, I can't pay someone someone i can't be like yeah why not yeah you can have some food why why do you insist who cares people want to why do you insist that people that want to professionally play your game have to like be poor that's what you're doing like that's so stupid the tournaments cannot receive goods or money From third parties such as sponsors How is it any F***ing business of yours if I have a sponsor

For my event I will have sponsors I promise you that I promise You want the event host to make money Because if they make money They're going to keep trying to do this thing And you should want them to do this thing

like all the right incentives are there some things make sense look you can't use the nintendo sure logo sure to promote your tournament no problem yeah that's your trademark even if you didn't want them to use like the smash brothers logo or honestly even the name of the game who cares you can't put mar all, you can't draw your own Mario and put it all over your website because it makes it seem Nintendo sanctioned. No problem. Some things make sense,

but some of them are absolutely ridiculous. Oh man, oh man. The part, oh, they have, in their Q&A, they have stuff about like school tournaments. Yeah, but no one who doesn't go to the school can participate. F*** off!

Who cares? Why can't it be two different schools going against each other? one who doesn't go to the school can participate. F*** off! Who cares? Why can't it be two different schools going against each other? Why can't I go to the school and have my friend come? Who cares? It doesn't matter. None of this is enforceable. Like, you can write this thing all you want.

Like, what are you going to do? You're going to ban me from Smash? What are you what are you gonna do you can ban me from smash what are you even talking about what gives you the right what is up with this company i don't get it super bullshit uh i mean migor asks can we get used to you as a sponsor yeah they make an emulator i don't think they have i don't think they have money to spend but like rough yeah as long as they do a dollar um that would actually be hilarious if sponsorships cost like a hundred bucks and we just had like as many sponsors as humanly possible. Like, sponsored by Daniel Besser. I would do it.

I would spend my money on it. I'd buy that for a dollar. Well, look, we could take all that. Like, look, it's not that I want Daniel Besser's money. We could put it in the prize pool, because we're going to have f***ing prizes, obviously. And I need at least one that's $5,001 so that we can exceed the limit.

So we need some money i i would i would i would sponsor this tournament i don't know what it would be but just i don't know it'd just be me or i'll do it in like the name of doing the name of floatplane is maybe not a great idea i mean we're doing it i don't know either way i would i would put in 100 bucks myself just because this plan sounds amazing to me. Yeah, no, I think this is just the kind of thing that we have to do because it's the right thing to do. This is, if you guys read through this doc,

I've already given you some highlights, but you'll be more angry than I am right now. This is not how you treat anyone, let alone your paying customers especially not the ones who are so dedicated that they spend actual real time considerable time out of their lives to to master your product to master your game to to to get together with other people in the community and share their love of your product that's it's broken is the only way that i can describe the manner of thinking that could possibly lead you to create this document

it's broken i just want to read this message out because it's hilarious and the name is also great it's from clapped k24 accord on floatplate chat he says i work construction in ontario and i would buy a sponsorship on behalf of the employer just for the memes oh my goodness i gotta i should i should i contact d brand now this is great we need to know when this is and stuff because there's like especially if the if there's prizes exceeding five grand there's like players that are going to want to come up i bet you well yeah sure yeah well i mean i have to i have to find at least one high profile player and pay them an appearance fee yeah because like that's one of the rules that's one of the rules i will luke no i believe you i will

break every rule humanly possible we'd have like a checklist to really make sure we hit everything to be clear we're gonna no we're gonna check with the lawyers we're gonna make sure that anything that is a real actual rule like according to the law we're gonna make check with the lawyers. We're going to make sure that anything that is a real, actual f***ing rule, like according to the f***ing law, we're going to make sure that we don't break those. Like, I'm not going to have a single Nintendo logo in the venue. We won't use their IP, stuff like that. Absolutely not.

But to imagine for a second that you can tell me in my f***ing building, with my f***ing event, that I'm allowed to charge X amount for admission. No, the admission is going to be 15 pounds and one pence. I actually do all the transactions. People have to pay an exchange rate to pay us, then we have to exchange it back to actually use the funds, just to make it work it's ridiculous it's ridiculous so we'll check into it and you know what to be clear if the lawyer comes back and says you know what they actually probably can

get you for this bury you yeah i i'm gonna bail because part of my and i'll tell you guys i'll give you guys the update because the premise for me is that this does not appear to be in any way legally enforceable. It seems to be just ridiculous customer hatred for no apparent reason. Um, just Nintendo, pure Nintendo arrogance. Um,

but if I'm wrong, I'm not going to be the arrogant one. I will stand down. I doubt that I'm wrong for someone'm not going to be the arrogant one. I will stand down. I doubt that I'm wrong. Yeah. For someone to tell me what video game I can play in my building. You've got to be kidding me. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

And hosting a Smash tournament would be sick. So why not? Yeah. Heck yeah. Oh, we're talking about names now whale smash whale smash oh i don't know yeah that sounds not great it sounds too similar to seal clubbing okay now i like it yeah we're back on track oh my goodness lt smash yeah that's actually not bad yeah that's not bad that's not bad either yeah i mean i might want to just just to be just to be just to be snarky whale bros is

not bad either i might avoid bros and smash probably get Yeah, whale smush. Whale mash. They did the mash. They did the whale mash. Cartoon digital fighting championship. Oh, name it like LTT store. I love it. Digital. Digital fighting game. Adequate video service.

Leather backpack. Hey, what did we call the new pants did we did we break off of it oh no off of what ltd premium short joggers nope it's uh sport joggers yeah that's what they're called isn't it it's what they are yeah the names are what they are so this is digital cartoon fighting champion we'll get there at some point with digital cartoon fighting championship with sponsors and prizes.com oh boy you guys um anyway this made me really mad and i'm surprised you didn't think this was a topic because i was like very excited to talk about it i shouldn't say excite i was very passionate to talk about it i honestly this is another one of the things like

okay so the the first topic you're like oh you must have been offline the ps5 thing i saw it i just thought it was a meme i didn't believe it and then with this i didn't i just saw like oh nintendo's being jerks again and i didn't really read into it i didn't know it was about tournaments um i just thought they were like hammering on some streamer for playing their game or something and i was like oh nintendo's back at it again um but yeah rough hey we gotta mention the folding competition november 1st. Yeah. It's once the 6th? Okay, I don't know what any of that means, but it's folding month, starting November 1st

and running until December 6th. Sixth. Sign-up information is available now on LTT Forum. There are lots of prizes, including... What? Gift cards. I just read something Conrad said, and it got me pretty good

are you gonna share it with the rest of the class did you see it did you find it dan just found it linus media group presents smash me bro a super smash bros tournament very funny oh yeah i think the evolution of trust me bro yeah the relationship has expanded yeah we uh we're we're close are you gonna go as a title sponsor really close with our customers oh i i assume d brand's gonna want a piece of that yeah uh i haven't actually heard back from them yet but it's almost it's almost certainly something that they'd be down for if they don't think they're actually going to get buried by Nintendo.

Oh, I like this evolution as well. Just call it Sumi Bro. Sumi Bro. But maybe it's Sumi is one word, so it has kind of like a Japanese vibe. Sumi. Sumi Bro. Yeah. Sumi bro. Yeah.

Sumi bro. Yeah. Okay, anyway, so check it out. The forum, blah, blah, prizes. Okay, are the prizes actually listed in the thing? Okay, here we go. Fooling month six. Worst prizes.

Here we go. $20 Steam codes, PC building simulator code. Possibly codes pc building simulators code possibly more to come there better be more to come oh yeah okay well there there's like two grand in ltd store gift cards okay we did some stuff wow actually like community members are donating prizes and the full-length community has been the thing for yeah never ceases to amaze me uh maybe we can maybe we can get some maybe we can get some hardware in there as well. That would be pretty cool. I'll have to,

I'll have to check with Chewy and see if, see if we can do something like that. If you want to, if you want to handle the next topic while I send that, don't forget. What do we got left? 82% of the States sues meta. 41 US States are suing meta.

Also previously known as facebook uh for designing its platforms to encourage compulsive behavior in young users through addictive features such as infinite scrolling and persistent alerts i'm going to take a pause here from what is written in the doc to say uh that's cool really but they should sue a ton of other people and not single out meta i'm not trying to defend Meta here, but like, what? Infinite scrolling and persistent alerts? Is this not every social media platform?

Like, cleave them all. Don't just go for one. It's weird that they're going after one. Well, remember, part of it is precedent. So if they win this... So they need to win this one. There's precedent. If they do this one...

You don't want to open up battles on every front at the same time then you're germany fair enough that's how that's you lose lose heart yeah um okay so if they do win then they need to keep going um because it's it's it feels weird like diving in front of meta who I don't like or care about at all. Um, but I don't know if you tried the quest three yet. No, I've spent some time with it. Adam,

who's working on writing the review with some contributions from me, like we're kind of working together on it. He spent some time with it. It's really good. Okay. Okay. It's like really good though. Either way.

I just think if you're, if you're going to go for them for what they're saying they're going at them for you need to go after more places including tiktok like come on um the lawsuits allege that meta knowingly ignored the product's effect on children's mental health for the sake of profit and that its algorithm pushes vulnerable teens towards content can i stop you for a second here um knowingly ignoring the harms in the pursuit of profit are they suing meta or are they suing capitalism yeah yeah this is kind of my point as a capitalist as a filthy capitalist isn't that just isn't that just capitalism yeah kind of okay carry on as long as it's

within the extent of the law whatever uh many studies including meta's own internal research indicate that heavy social media use is associated with depression anxiety and lower self-esteem this is a reason i'm going on an aside again this is a reason why i have very specifically been engaging less and actually it's been great. I have seen zero downsides. I even know less topics when I show up for WAN show and Linus finds that more entertaining. So if anything only benefits,

uh, anyways, especially in younger users, meta argues that the benefits of increased connection outweigh these harms. Hmm. Disagree. Anyways, uh uh discussion question are there popular social media sites that don't encourage addiction i don't know of any uh could a non-addictive

alternative to instagram even compete no no no it wouldn't yeah social media is inherently this this eyeball ownership yep um in other words speaking of ownership digital rev just deleted the entire youtube channel that was active between 2007 and 2019 that means hundreds of videos from their catalog are gone without warning at the time of writing, only nine videos remain. The channel's former host, Kai, and former editor, Locke, are still making photography-related content, but they were not informed that the deletion would take place. The deleted videos include years worth of reviews, how-tos, and photography tips. Several commenters cited DigitalRev as a formative influence in their decision to get into photography as a profession or hobby. And the discussion question here is, is there any reason to delete an archive like this?

The answer is, oh, go ahead. I've been kind of wondering about this kind of stuff because what's with the war on like camera reviews? Yeah, I don't know. Like what? Why? It's so weird to me. It's not profitable? Yeah, I don't know. Like what? Why? It's so weird. It's not profitable. Yeah, but why take it all down?

So that, that back to, back to the question, the only reason I can think of is if the channel had a complicated licensing agreement with the producer of the content. with the producer of the content. Because otherwise, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for you to private a video that is as non-controversial as digital rev. Yeah. You will still collect residual revenue on every view on that content in perpetuity. Even if it's not very much. Even if it's not very much even if it's not

very much five bucks is five bucks like i i can't i can't imagine a future where i would take down any ltd video even if everyone everyone was gone um and the company didn't exist anymore and i had i had no interest in making videos i'd been canceled or something or whatever right like i can't think of any reason their own community posts are pointing towards videos that they've taken down brutal speaking of things that should be a crime like i just i i i don't know man like i i get it if there's if there's a license agreement or something in place and they they can't they can't have them up but like why these nine videos or ten or whatever they are like these

these are playlists that when you click on them are just empty. Oh if you go to the channel, there's a hand no, I know I'm just showing how like it this was done like quickly and Not cleanly they ripped these videos out didn't look back. This is all the videos that remain These are okay Elijah in the chat asks Why am I watching this show right now when I'm supposed to be in recovery and not looking at screens? There's a good question sorry elijah actually asked okay would you take down all the ltd videos for an enormous sum of money but the answer like but the thing is who would pay for them to take their videos down nobody there's no incentive for that like i just uh i i can't people are saying storage costs money right but yeah to google it doesn does Google yeah it actually cost nothing yeah there is no benefit to

taking this down and if anything the if you don't want to store it locally anymore and you don't care about it at all just delete your local files and leave them on YouTube because it's not trusting you anything. Sure. Fine. I don't know. CS2 players banned for spinning. Several Counter-Strike 2 players have gotten VAC banned apparently for moving the mouse too fast. Players were able to replicate the problem and successfully

get auto-banned by setting their mouse sensitivity at 10,000 plus DPI and spinning in place some were able to incur a ban within a single match to see a demonstration of one of these tests see this timestamp you should check the video out yourself yeah i'm just gonna see the rest of it it's from tabby and dump and let's see what else is going on here but yeah basically people if you crank up the dpi in your mouse um and spin around you can get banned and okay i feel a little weird about this one but this is a thing people do sometimes yeah just to

goof around a sign of frustration yeah or just goofing around is just whipping your mouse around a counter-strike this is like actually a thing that yeah vac band vac band from the server it's in the video but wow this is also spin botting it's one of like the most old school versions of aim hacking and counter-strike we've ever had so i understand why they would try to have something that detects a rotational speed that they believe is not really achievable by a human and then go okay let's ban this player now in my opinion the really big issue with this um is how like not that easy dealing with valve customer support is because if this was like a detection thing and they just bomped people out and people could appeal it and be like oh there's nothing around and then uh valve had the ability

to watch the match and see like yeah oh this is just someone like sitting in spawn derping around before the match starts then uh whatever i don't think it's that big of a deal but hydroc777 asks explain spin botting please spin botting so i i don't actually remember it's been a long time since i've looked into this but i don't remember the reason why it needed to spin so much but it would essentially just anything that appeared on your screen would just die basically because your character was spinning around and ready to fire or actually firing i don't remember the exact details um but yeah you're just like aiming everywhere able to shoot everything i never ran one so i don't know 100 how it works but yeah you were a death machine

you spin around and everything would die in other news what if you were a freedom machine oh it was probably to detect more units yeah what if you were a freedom machine what does that even mean freedom phone 2.0 baby this is interesting unplugged or here do you want to read it i'm going to screenplugged is currently taking pre-orders for what they call the Up Phone, which runs their proprietary Rust-based OS, LibertOS, not to be confused with Liberty OS, and features a physical kill switch that unplugs the phone's processor and sensors from the battery.

The phone comes with 8GB of RAM, 256GB of storage, and a 108-meg 108MP 4K camera. It likewise features an always-on VPN, ad blockers, antivirus, and a suite of apps that Unplugged say definitely won't mine user data. claims that they have hired cybersecurity form uh psi security as an advisor as well as hiring independent auditors to conduct periodic penetration tests on our platform security they also have white hat programs with uh prizes as a bounty for reporting vulnerabilities unplugged has gotten some criticism from the past from cybersecurity experts for using terms like impenetrable and government-grade encryption in its marketing because no device is truly impenetrable and governments don't really have access to encryption that private entities do

not also have access to unplugged well theoretically unplugged has however stepped away from that language unplugged notably was founded by Eric Price, who was the founder of private military contractor Blackwater, then known as something else, now known as not that. It sounds very different. Blackwater, renamed. Academi. Oh, wow.

Okay, that's a different name yeah sounds extremely different um they've rebranded a couple times been trying to get away from because like everyone in the world knew like oh blackwater is scary right so they're like academy we'd read books or something yeah um security or sorry discussion question my brain just did that um is it possible that this could succeed where every previous ultra secure phone idea has failed no yeah i mean it could it could be an improvement if these weren't things that you were just already going to do yourself. I mean, you could just have a VPN. Yeah, exactly.

You could just... I mean, one of their talking points is uncensored. You can download any app you want. You can do that today. You can just sideload an APK. Sideload the app. Yeah. day you can just sideload an apk um yeah i'd i'm interested in what the libert os actually is i'd be interested to know what it actually is the problem is i don't think it actually is anything

we talked about this in writers meeting and we had that's where this lead came from because we were thinking oh well we should do a review of it And the issue with doing a review of it is that right now they're taking a crowdfunding approach to getting this thing out. And I don't think since we looked at it, it has made any progress. If I was them and I knew that I needed to sell 6,000 units of this thing before I could move to mass production,

I probably wouldn't put this bar on my site. Also, is this to scale scale i don't think so i was just wondering that myself i don't i don't think so uh do i need to do i need to ms paint this i had to squint there because i was like is that supposed to be a nine or a zero at the start because either of them feel wrong okay you know what we're doing it we're doing it we're m Painting it. Because it should be a six, basically. And it doesn't look like it is.

Okay. So we're going to take one of these. I'm sure there's a better way to do this what why did you include like the back of the circle well it's not that much oh hold on it might be to scale Luke you know what oh I see what you're doing I think might be to scale, Luke. You know what? Oh, I see what you're doing. I think it's to scale. Six 943s. Yeah, that would be about that.

Okay. Wow. So we both suck. All right. We both just, it's an optical illusion. We collectively suck. It's an optical illusion. Yeah.

Okay, Dan, is it APN fixed? I'm so sorry, but I managed to do it. You managed to do it. Oh, good. Thanks, Dan. I'm so happy. It took all of do it. You managed to do it. Oh, good. Thanks, Dan. I'm so happy. It took all of that time. It took all that time?

You will not get Wi-Fi calling, and you will not get voice over LTE, so you can't have 4G calling. So every time somebody calls you, or you try to make a call, it will drop back onto the GSM 3G network, and I had the issue with my previous phone because

it was a similar thing uh you just won't get phone calls just won't work properly oh unless you're in a very very good service area oh uh okay well that's now this is not not good in my line of work this is my rant about the canadian mobile network system because the phone supports every single band in canada oh but our carriers do not support the phone i'm sorry it's like carrier now a bunch of them just merged by the way people did inspect element and found that it is 15.7 of the the bar, which is actually exactly 943 out of 6,000. So it's, it is definitely correct. And we were definitely wrong. Cool. Well, I can admit when I'm wrong. Yeah. And when the up phone or whatever they're calling it, um, unplugged phone

up phone exists. Uh, I will admit that I was wrong that it will ever exist because I am telling you now it will never exist. Very cool. They're done. They're out. Okay, I tried to call Luke and it didn't work, though. Mm-hmm. Oh, wait, so I can't place phone calls? Only if you have 3G connection.

If I have 3G cellular... Which they're phasing out. So it's not as prevalent as lte i don't think you could actually use it if you can't do calling no you can but just not very well yeah but he needs his phone to work yeah it's not triggering the proper carrier provisioning and it should because the hundred percent of it's even got most of our 5g bands uh but you can't use wi-fi calling you can't do voice over lte i ended up having to just get a new phone i tried to rewrite the broadcom modem because it was driving me mad i'm like like linus linus loves his fold and i love my uh my sonys but

they just canada hates anything that's not a pixel um okay uh hmm i see let me try to call you well on the plus side i'll get a lot fewer spam calls i see this is an absolute win um okay well what, what? I got a call from you. Yeah, so that worked. But wait, can I actually talk to you? Oh, what? If you get the call. If I get a call, I can... Well, what the crap?

How does that make any sense? Well, because it was able to drop onto the network properly. I mean, try and call Luke now. It might work. Oh, no, out of service area. It just dropped. Yeah? No, I hung up.

Oh, well, why did it say out of service area? Because what it did is it went, okay, now I have to drop the 3g network and now reconnect to the lte network and then so when you try to make a call it has to drop the lte get onto 3g and then place the call so it's very intermittent depending on your service quality this is stupid emergency calls only that one always makes me really mad because if you can place an emergency call you can place the other call if i have an active subscription uh okay top gear and flow plane no they will not they will absolutely not let you do that if you bring your own device they go sorry that's it's not supported on our network. Go away.

You can buy one of our other phones. You can place emergency calls with it. That's fine. Yeah. Apparently emergency calls mostly use 2G. Is that true? I think there's actually like government allotted bands for emergency calls. All right, fine.

Yeah. I didn't want to rain on your parade but I think that's a thing I'll allow it I'll allow Wanshow After Dark as well Oh let's go I'm gonna push the button I'm just stoked about this Smash tournament Nice

Sounds fun Just the most irreverent tournament of all time Yeah like I don't know what I'm more excited for Like the Smash tournament itself Or just what it represents i think i'm more excited about what it represents than anything else like man i'm gonna i'm gonna play in the tournament i might even pay myself an appearance fee not because i'm any good at smash just you know whatever yeah promoting the event can i can i sponsor players i i don't care can i can i uh i'm gonna sponsor a player i think that's that's cool i'm gonna have shirts made uh nice nice this is this is sick

you know who you are you better learn how to play actually no it's like uh top top percentile it'll be great okay that sounds good i love it hell yeah um let's go all right okay what do we got uh let's see we already read that one linus have you had any experiences with the amazon one palm entry stores how do you feel about the palm reading technology do you see this spreading to other companies for different applications palm entry oh like like you use your palm to enter the store sorry i haven't even heard about this i have no idea what they're talking about amazon's been testing some really weird stores i mean i

don't see why it's necessary you use because the characteristics of your palm are so much easier to read at a distance compared to the characteristics of your fingers well if it wasn't for not wanting them to have a database of my of my biometrics because unless this is, yeah, this doesn't sound like something that's stored locally on a device and then encrypted. If it wasn't for that, that would be super cool. Right?

But that is the thing because if it's just taking an image and then going to a central server, that's super bad. Yeah. And I don't like that at all. Yeah. Huh. Time to chop off people's hands and steal stuff. Oh, boy.

Oh, now that's a future. Yeah. Wow. That is a thing that could happen now cool cool current year gets worse uh okay dan yeah do you want another one yes uh okay it's stupid hard to find all cotton clothes in north america especially sweats especially long sizes thank you for the dropout why do you think it's so rare and not as oh sorry uh why do you think it's so rare and not as oh sorry why do you think it's so rare and is there more all cotton coming um oh i don't know i mean honestly a big part of the reason that for

me is that i don't actually prefer all cotton clothing i um i don't find it as comfortable as blends and i find that it shrinks a lot and so it's really really difficult to get the sizing right so that it can be worn out of the box and also worn a year later once it's been through the tumble dryer a couple dozen times um that's that's my own take on it i also know there are benefits to cotton i know that it's easier to um repurpose once it's done being clothing. Yeah, that's all I know personally about it. Hey, Luke, how do you like your Pixel 8 Pro? Watching LAN live for the first time.

Heard your notification go off, thought it was my phone. Oh, sorry. Eh. thought it was my phone oh sorry um me i i think i'm a very boring person to review phones um yeah i tried to have him do it before he wasn't very good at it wow i think one of my pixel reviews is actually pretty good so there's that one line of phones that you kind of like every third one and can do a good video about well that's really good you should be a professional phone reviewer i never wanted to be to be clear just wanted to cover pixels uh i would i would probably watch that oh we got the pixelate pro eh tune in next week don't forget to like and subscribe i just like pretty much everything i do on my phone is on my home screen it's like float plane chess email calling

basic web browsing that's it um it's heavy the camera bump is like enormous and really annoying and doesn't fit very well in your pocket with anything else in your pocket um the fact that i don't have the menu thing on the back now, you can slam your finger against it and maybe it'll do something sometimes, uh, is not an acceptable replacement in my opinion. Um, I had a button before that was also a fingerprint sensor and you could also swipe on and you could find it easily and it was a lot better. So I lost some functionality. Um, yay. It's faster. Yeah. I don't care. I play chess and send text-based messages. It doesn't matter to me almost at all. But it's an Android phone that has pixel features and it's not broken. So it's an

upgrade over what I had before. And that's how I feel about it. it's an upgrade over what I had before. And that's how I feel about it. Good job. Honestly, if I could have my previous phone and it was not broken and it was still supported with security updates, I would rather just have my previous phone again if it just wasn't broken.

So like, I don't know. If you had to buy 60 TVs, all the same size and brand where would you shop costco did they even let you buy that many i mean it's costco we bought like man i think we we looked for quantities up to 200 gallons or something like that and costco was the cheapest place to buy isopropyl alcohol. Don't ask why. They also sell barrel drums. Didn't we buy like a pallet of UPSs from them as well? Yeah, yeah, definitely.

That's a really good thing we did. Will there ever be an option to purchase signed items? For instance instance the children's book autographed by linus um yeah we have a plan for getting rid of all the crap from the tech shop we're planning to list it on the site as a loot box you get a random item we have no idea what you're gonna get if it works if it doesn't but it'll be signed so it's a it's a piece of memorabilia sure and then we're just going to do like a cost averaging thing so that we kind of don't completely lose our shirts on it but people have a chance of ending up with something cool um and you can just have a piece of video history.

Maybe even a cool piece. Yeah, you might get some. Probably a random crappy cable. Probably garbage. Probably garbage, but signed garbage. Yeah. So I'm going to have to sign, I think it worked out to about 600 items. Nice.

Yeah. That's going to take some time. Can you forge my signature? You want to help? I used to be able to. It's been a long time. Really? I did it at. Are you? Okay. A, really? And B, are you going to, you're going to take some time. Can you forge my signature? You want to help? I used to be able to, it's been a long time. I did it at, are you okay?

A really? And B, are you going to, you're going to talk about this on camera? No, you knew. Oh, did I?

Yeah. Wait, you actually forgot? I guess. Oh, wow. We had a conversation about this at one point. Cause you knew I did it for a while. And then at some point we had a sit down conversation.

You were like, you know, we're like an actual company. you should stop doing that and i was like okay and you were like yeah like i'm not like i knew you're doing it is i'm not like mad we just should probably stop doing this and i'm like i'm gonna have to bug you more often and you're like yeah i was like okay nobody got paid for six weeks. Someone knew that story because we've told that story on Wancho before,

which is why I'm surprised you don't remember. But someone knew that story at LTX and asked me to forge your signature at LTX. Yeah, I know. They brought it to me and you did a bad job, so I fixed it. But I didn't have a visual representation at the time or anything.

I had to do it from memory and I was like, wow, I don't know. I don't have like a visual representation at the time or anything. I had to do it from memory and I was like, wow, I don't know. I don't know. Sorry, what was the question? Luke's phone review in under five seconds. I don't know. All the videos are going to be the same. I'm just going to go every time.

Almost every phone is just fine these days. Yeah, they're all pretty good. There are exceptions. I can't even use it. I'm left-handed. I actually bet you if the calling wasn't an issue, I wouldn't even mind that. It's really heavy. It's really thick. Is it really much heavier than this?

Is it really much thicker than this? It's way thicker than that. Look at them. It is way thicker than that. Include the camera bump. Include the camera bump. Why do they even have camera bumps? It's thinner. Optics, Dan.

The camera bump is insane. Just make the phone thicker. It's so huge. And then wait. What am I waiting for? Oh my god. Oh, it's so worth it. It's so worth it.

It killed it. That hurt me. I have a small ding. This is definitely heavier. And part of it is the length. So it's heavy and it's a tall aspect ratio. So it like, like it wants to,

it wants to go. It wants to be free yeah like a bird slippy like a bird on the wing sorry um i've held a pixel 8 non-pro and i wish the pixel 8 pro features and all that other kind of stuff were just in the pixel 8 non-pros like body yep i would have preferred that phone yep dear sure dear lld i will use my first ever purchase in the hopes of getting you guys to talk more final fantasy six oh yeah linus edgar or sabine sabin sabin well okay those aren't three characters it's linus edgar or sabin um well i mean it depends at what point in the game right uh I don't want to don't spoiler right I'm like actually enjoying it okay um I like is it Sabin do you pronounce it Sabin

there's a lot of debate I ran into both of those characters because it's one of those things where the I think the the the Japanese name is like mash or something. And so the translation is just like whatever it is. And to my knowledge, Sabin is not a like American English name. So I just kind of came up with something. Sabine, Sabin, Sabin, I don't know. Sure. Is Edgar the king guy? Yeah.

It's always been Sabin in my head. So it depends on how you're asking. If you mean just like, you know, character arc, or if you mean battle fight prowess, or if you mean like character design. I was always more of like an Edgar guy, but I think they both have limitations. And I like both of them. i like both of them the same i i i'd say like character design you know obviously you know mog is awesome um

um man i don't know they're all what's the dude's name i just got him in my party and this is probably gonna tell you sort of where i'm shadow yeah he's cool yeah he's cool shadows shadows badass that was awesome it's like so cool like he's got like fang his dog yeah dog doesn't like strangers he'll eat you leave him alone i uh as a kid i um you know my reading comprehension was not what it is today and when they do the introduction for shadow i misread it as he did slit his mama's throat for a nickel not that he would so i was like whoa dang dang oh man i was surprised when he joined the party well he doesn't always oh like i think you can you can proceed without him and that's like a thing with him so like no spoilers but like watch out for that it's not a guarantee that shadow is in the party

oh yeah i know he tells you he's like i might just leave at any time i was like oh yeah wow and it it is legitimately rng sometimes and there was one point where he just f***ed off like there's a there's a segment at some point where he's with you and he may leave at some time at some point where he's with you and he may leave at some time and he just f***ed off after one random encounter and I had to go it without him for an extended period um that you're kind of supposed to kind of have him for part of it or something it was very inconvenient I just finished the there's this like actually insanely long rafting portion yep yeah the let's say river this is gonna end now and then it's like pick a direction again you know why right no i know you have to make the right choice okay okay yeah no i've yeah for sure okay but i i still kept thinking

that it would like actually end sooner than it did oh no and then like you get to the fight with ultras and it's like you've kind of had the shit kicked out of you for kind of a while and if you haven't stocked up items and that's another that's another fight where i keep going like all right this is a big hit this will take him down and then it just keeps going i'm like oh my god oh no he's like he's a pain in the butt that early in the game yeah like he's oh now i know you fight him again it's fine okay it's fine it's fine um but yeah he doesn't die it's so i think i think the game it was pretty it was pretty obvious implies it pretty heavily yeah yeah he has his own theme music that usually is an indication

and a lot of dialogue and stuff like it's really involved it's pretty obvious don't tease the octopus kids yeah as a literal kid when i played it i was like oh i feel personally attacked right now i was that one spooked me because he like cleaved my entire party for over three quarters of their health and like dropped one of them from fairly healthy to dead and i was like oh this is a little scarier than i thought and then i realized how overpowered prey was and i was like oh okay i'm fine prey yeah one of the guys that you have like prey prey one of the oh bannon yeah oh okay oh so you're playing the modern translation that move is just called health in the original translation i wasn't sure what it did so i almost didn't even want to use it

oh that's hilarious and then i was like well i should figure it out because he doesn't do a lot of he doesn't do a ton of damage compared to my other characters anyway so let me try this and then it was just like make sure you're using your rows properly. That's really important. Oh, yeah, I'm not doing that at all. That's really important. So you throw Bannon in the back row, just have him pray on every turn,

and then you're good. And then same thing, like, even with... That's one of the few... Oh, I should have done that. It tells you, like, Bannon can't go down. I should have put him in the back. I didn't even think about it. Yeah yeah it's one of the few rpgs where um it actually makes sense to play around with your with your lineup even mid fight sometimes like if you go oh i didn't know you could do

this is bad i'm yeah so if you just click over or something like from the menu okay like with your d-pad yeah so you just go over and it should there should be an option for a row i'm playing with keyboard mouse okay we'll just use the arrow keys though and just go can i just can i give you a snes controller and a usb adapter i mean sure okay i will i will do oh wait i need a ride tonight okay i will give it to you tonight sweet can i get a ride yeah thanks um so you just go over and then go row and it'll switch to the defensive position or the it does use your turn which sucks yeah but it might be worth it if you have somewhere where you're just like okay i'm gonna switch you're you're on healer duty now and

you're only gonna use magic um you need to actually get out of the way uh yeah it can be pretty useful yeah oh yeah how are you gonna how are you gonna do uh sabin's blitzes on a keyboard i've i've done it work but it's it was fine and then they gave me an angled one and i was like yeah oh no but you can do it i just did it okay there's ones that will be impossible okay yeah you will need a controller at some point okay yeah all right yeah i had like down left or something that i had to do and i just stared at it for a second was like oh no and then just tried to do it sync what's ara bolt called because that's what that is the down left yeah i'm trying to remember diagonal left one. I feel like Conrad's going to know.

Oh, man. Oops, I didn't mean to do that. That's okay. It's not that important. I'm not going to remember. I've only used it once. Okay. Because I saw the angle thing and I was like,

I don't really want to do that again. What are you enjoying about the game? The story's actually decently engaging. I wasn't necessarily expecting that a ton really after all the time i've spent talking about it you were like six i've played it like man i've played it all the way to completion at least two or three times and i've played the first half over a dozen times like all the way into adulthood it is a great game i i actually very much enjoy the graphics um i i am playing the pixel art remake so that might help it a little bit but like the pixel art's good it's good it feels good it it makes me kind of mad sometimes because like it just feels like a good

game like within minutes of starting it up i was like yeah i want to play this like i actually want to play this right now i'm not just doing this because i want linus to do other stuff like this is this is cool i'm engaged i want to go through this cave and find this thing and keep this chick alive and do whatever like I want to I want to actually do these activities that the game is trying to get me to do and the graphics are good enough that they're interesting and like I'm I know that a game is working for me when I start doing things naturally that are like the reason why I like bethesda games like i started hunting in caves for secret passages yeah and enjoying that yeah and i was like all right i like this game i know when i start doing that type of stuff i'm like okay i'm engaged i care a lot yeah i want to find

all the little secrets i want to do this type of stuff treasure does feel like it matters treasure actually matters i like that about games too that's huge it is so boring it's one of the things that i hate about zelda games yeah that every treasure chest unless it's at the center of a dungeon is a f***ing rupee yeah like it sucks yeah like i want there to be that's something that's um i'm back on fantasia again and that's something i do like about the game. Oh, okay. Is that there can be a random chest at any stage in the game, like in the first dungeon.

And it could be something that is impactful for the entire rest of the game. Like it unlocks part of your like tech tree. And there's no other way to unlock it. Like you actually need to explore. You can find cool stuff by exploring. Something that I was going to say i do really like is that you're talking about how treasure matters i like that you have to use it i think that's cool i i am the type of person that will naturally be like oh a potion guess i'll never use this because i might need it someday and then i'll forget that i can even use them and then just beat the whole game

and it's just like whatever. But like you, if you don't use them, your team's just gonna be dead all the time. Yeah. So like you actually need to use your stuff and like the economy matters because having a tent or whatever is like actually pretty important at times.

I will say that it does fall into the same trap that most RPGs do in that the economy makes a ton of sense for the first like 10 hours and then you just make too much and then and then it just sort of loses all semblance of that's one of the things that i just i i hate to come back to this again because i know it's such a sensitive topic but that's something i loved so much about breath of the wild is the economy never scaled to ridiculous land where you're getting a hundred thousand rupees for every stupid random encounter and you can afford all the armor in the game every piece of armor was like 500 rupees or whatever and it was always difficult to raise

500 rupees of money not well not difficult but it was always some like it what you didn't just have enough money to just buy everything because everything was constantly breaking. Just like in the real world where you were always buying stuff and always, always treasure hunting. It always mattered. It was always important. I did. I also found out in a negative way, but I'm okay with that. I want to be very clear recently that you need to kind of do the things now or the game might take that opportunity away

from you um i got to a town that felt really big south figaro or whatever it's called um it felt pretty big and established and i was like okay i'll come back here later yeah no you won't yeah and there was like some dude that like wouldn't talk to me unless I gave him alcohol or something. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I think I kind of figure I want to progress the game, though. I'll like come back and do this later. And then it's like literally the next thing that happens is they're like, that place doesn't exist anymore. I'm just like, OK, I guess I won't go do that thing.

All right. And I'm like trying to actually do all the content. I just didn't think they were going to delete the, like what third city at this point. It's like everywhere I go, they're just like, you're never going back there again. Empire's up,

man. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to do something about it. And you know what?

Yeah. But that's the thing is like, I, I like that they establish real stakes. Like it's not just i care there's an ambiguous motive for someone to something because whatever like it's it's really grounded there's a there's an there's an empire that is like actually doing like burning down cities and just wrecking everything. All in the name of

conquest and acquisition and it feels, I don't know, it feels very, on the one hand, like a global conflict, but on the other hand, they make it really personal. This place that you visited, now it's gone. It's wiped out. And you were a slave to them. Yes.

What are you going to do about it? Yeah, it's, yeah, I don't know. I love it. I can't believe i don't know it's i i love it i can't believe you haven't mentioned the music i love the music music's very good music's very good however i haven't heard the redone tracks for the pixel remaster it's good would you be enjoying it as much if the graphics looked like that yeah absolutely okay yeah no seriously though that's my tara that's yeah wait i don't think i have this person yet not that that's a problem she's the main character oh her name's tara oh what's her name i think i accidentally rewrote it i didn't do that to anyone else i didn't do that to anybody else all right fine yeah yeah that's tara yeah i didn't

want to rewrite it to be clear um what was i gonna say uh yeah i don't i don't mind i don't mind pixel graphics i don't know i i am appreciative of art styles not necessarily just fidelity oh apparently i had the wrong one apparently that was not the pixel remaster graphics so does she look more similar to the one on the far left does actually yeah hold on what's this is is this it i feel like that's what i'm looking at okay yeah like the dude the dude lock or lucky or whatever yeah he looks like the one the third one i think this one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's him yeah i think it looks cool i actually kind of i actually kind of like his old uh bulkier look yeah he looks kind of pinner here yeah definitely more like kind of swashbuckling thief and less just like it's the theme but um yeah i also don't know what's up with these super

super pointy shoes was that really the intent no idea might have been easier it might be an asset oh no this is the new one i don't know i was gonna say on the old one it might be an asset they use for something else as well so they save data um the only thing i don't like so far genuinely like whatever criticism you're going to have there's no way i can accept it yeah that's fine it's a perfect game no it's not perfect the only thing i don't like is i i have very very little experience with final fantasy games i don't remember final fantasy 8 working this way but i haven't played it since i was like 12 so maybe it did i don't know um but the turn system i hate it like a lot i have it set to wait actions are still happening in the background

while i'm trying to select things so yeah get good doesn't seem to be happening yeah get good i think even weight doesn't wait much oh it like ends up resuming anyways so what it what weight i think that's a bad system i forget what i forget what the distinction is. So active means that everyone's turn counters are running all the time. And then wait, I think what it does is if they act, they will wait for you to finish their turn before it starts to count again. But that doesn't mean they can't act if they had already reached the end

of their active time battle. It's called ATB and there's, I should give you the manual. I have my manual from when I was like six. I talked to, this was, again, this is a sign that I actually cared about the game. But I went into the Adventurers Guild thing near the beginning of the game and I actually talked to everyone and like learned these things. Nice. And I decided to put it on wait.

But it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't actually like pause the game. And I don't find sorting through menus quickly to be a skill that I care about. And also, I've been really enjoying it as a side monitor game. So I'll leave it there and be doing something else for a while. Maybe I'm talking to Emma.

Maybe I'm playing with the birds. Maybe I'm... I don't know. Anything. Maybe playing another game sometimes even. I'll just leave it on the side monitor and then I'll play for a little bit and then get distracted by something else

and it's fine, whatever. But now I can't ever pause really. You can pause. Maybe there's a way. Maybe there's a specific pause. But I want to be able to just stop. Oh yeah, no start button just pauses the battle. Okay.

And it just stops. I don't know what that is. Maybe escape or something. Okay, I'll give you a controller tonight and I'm going to give you my manual. You'd like it. It's full of like artwork and stuff. Cool. Like it's actually awesome. I used to really like old manuals. Yeah. Probably will like it. Yeah. Oh no, Luke wants an idle Final Fantasy game. No,

that's not what he's asking for. No, no, no, no. I don't want it to play while it's sitting there. My whole point is I want it to pause. Like something that i really like about slay the spire and ftl and maybe now that i know you can pause in combat if you press a button it'll be the same thing as fdl because in ftl you just press space bar and the whole game pauses so it's great for a side you can leave it for two days yeah no you can pause it okay great yeah yeah so that should don't you worry help that but i still wish it was just turn-based apparently it's while you are in a sub menu so it's so that you don't have to like

quickly navigate to which magic spell you want to cast maybe i'm using it wrong or maybe i switched back off of weight and don't remember that but i was in sub i was like selecting spells on whatever her name is tara tara and actions were happening in the background. I was trying to like read the descriptions of what the spells did. And the game's just playing itself. I'm like, bro, stop. I can tell you what they do. Fire casts fire.

I figured that one out. Cure casts cure. Yeah, but I wasn't sure what cure meant. And scan scans. I don't know what scan is. Oh, shoot. What's... cure yeah but i wasn't sure what scan scans i don't know what scan is oh uh uh shoot what's um the other translation of it or whatever crap uh i have like four spells with her or something right now characteristics of enemies uh what's it called ah it's escaping me

uh crap and where do you see your mp when you're in battle Ah, it's escaping me. Ah, crap. And where do you see your MP when you're in battle? I don't remember. I only see your health. And then there's this like other number beside it, but it doesn't seem to change when I cast spells. Libra. Libra is scan.

Okay, hold on. What's her fourth spell? I don't have ice yet. Someone just said ice. I don't have that yet. Ice is way later for Tara. Yeah, it's very natural that I would get. I'm not worried about that as a spoiler, but I don't have ice yet someone just said ice i don't have that ice is way later for tara yeah it's very natural that i would get i'm not worried about that as a spoiler but i don't have that yet yeah no no that's not yeah no she she's she's a she's a natural magic

user so she'll just like learn spells um man i don't i don't remember the i don't remember the order i don't remember the fourth spell she gets oh antidote yeah yeah so that's the first like there's so many different status things oh my god like there's a blind or something yeah couldn't figure out what would stop that really so i just had to rest what yeah uh eye drops i don't think i have any maybe that's why i couldn't yeah that's your problem yeah yeah you should get some i didn't think I have any. Maybe that's why I couldn't figure it out. Yeah, that's your problem. Yeah. Yeah, you should get some. I didn't have anything that would solve it. There's a cure-all item, but you can't buy it.

That's probably hyper expensive. You can never buy it. So be really careful with that one. Okay. Yeah, I think it's called Remedy or something like that. I was kind of surprised you could buy Phoenix Downs. You'll go down a lot. So I'm really glad that you can buy Phoenix Downs.

Okay. So far, I've only used two. Yeah, okay. But I have really glad that you can buy Phoenix downs. Okay. So far I've only used two. Yeah. Okay. But I have had to use, well, I was six. One of mine was,

I just told you it was the octopus guy. Yeah. All my people were fairly healthy and they just bonk. I'm like, Oh, okay. Yeah. When he does tentacle once and it like takes down one of your guys and you're

like, Oh, I got to watch out for this. And then it turns out he can multicast it. You're like, oh, really? Yeah, no, that's what happened to me. Yeah, I know. He hit all four of them at the same time.

And I was like, ooh. Yeah. And it's. I don't think he had done it once yet. Oh, really? He just. Yeah. Because no one had taken any noticeable damage and then just got one shot.

The single target one hits ever so slightly harder, but the four target one still hits really hard. Yeah. It's pretty brutal. It's kind of nuts. Anyway, it's a great game. I love that game. And now that you're playing it, I'll probably play it again.

I sure hope you got the sprint shoes. I have like multiple pairs of that. I just don't have eye drops. I just looted them. I didn't buy them. You'll need one pair of sprint shoes. I didn buy them oh oh you just found them okay fair enough all right i think i bought the first pair and then i found more or something i don't know but i have multiple pairs hit me dan sure yeah we got lots of potentials too hey lld hello from michigan

what do you think has been the most detrimental to gaming? Games as a service, microtransactions, or loot boxes? Oh, wow. Those two things are... Well, no, you could have one without the other. You could have loot boxes without microtransactions? Yeah. It's like square and rectangle. Yeah, you could have expensive loot boxes.

That wouldn't be micro. I'm not doing it. Don't look at him you could definitely have games as a service without microtransactions though or games as a service without loot boxes or i think they're definitely separate yeah um out of all of those things i do not think games as a service is the worst one no i think games as a service is probably the most palatable in terms of predictable recurring revenue for developers without being completely predatory i don't worst one no i think games as a service is probably the most palatable in terms of uh predictable recurring revenue for developers without being completely predatory i don't like it i think it's kind of a bad thing but out of the current options i think it's the least of the evils

microtransactions versus uh loot boxes i actually agree with the argument here i think loot boxes are a subset of microtransactions and i do think they are a worse a worser i also agree with that theoretical handshakes yeah yeah i'm satisfied because i mean loot boxes are just microtransactions with gambling you know what i take it back gambling makes everything better let's go to kick rescinded handshake hello lld do you have any opinions on the popularity of hardcore gaming and players willingness to risk everything okay i think i curated this i have no idea what this means yeah i potential this yeah no i can't believe i didn't get this uh there's like i think it's in runescape i know it's in oh like realism mode kind of thing like if you die your character's dead yeah oh that makes so much more sense i think it's cool why not it's an interesting

interesting twist something you don't have to play it no it's making you that'd be a really interesting mmo that's a thing like all the way back to level zero runescape and wow your character dies it's dead what's called yeah 100 is it hard mode or is it it's called hardcore and wow yeah i think it's called iron man and runescape yeah iron man i think yeah okay yeah yeah that rings a bell and you think about some of the mechanics in a game like WoW that are just they'll just kill you. And it's like, okay. Is there PvP in like? So in the World of Warcraft version

there's something called Mak'gora where like you can duel in hardcore but in a traditional duel you never actually die. It ends when someone gets to one HP, and then all their debuffs and everything are cleared, and the duel ends. No one actually dies.

Someone has to, like, be forcibly forfeited, basically. If you mock Gara, you have to go through a bunch of... I've never done it. I don't know. But you have to, like, accept it a few times or something. I've never done it. I don't know. But you have to, like,

accept it a few times or something. It's very clear to the user that you're agreeing to this thing and it's a duel to the death. And if you kill the person, you get, like, a permanent buff

or something that says that you've actually, like, murdered someone. I think. Let me look it up. I like that a lot. Because you kind of did. Wow.

Hardcore. Um... me look it up I like that a lot because you kind of you kind of did hardcore okay this is not people have called events the same thing so it's not the easiest thing to like find details on apparently there's a hardcore mode in Diablo the first thousand players get their name on an in-game statue for Diablo 4. In RuneScape, not only is there permadeath, but you can't trade or receive items from other players in hardcore Iron Man.

So WoW has that as well, but it's a community add-on that enforces the restriction. It's not WoW that enforces the restriction. And in my view of it, if you don't play with the add-on, you're playing a fake-o version. Because being able to just... Okay, so every MMO has this issue. EVE, I'm sure RuneScape has it i know wow has it everything people just buy gold if you can buy gold you can buy items if you can buy items you can buy skill real world dollars effectively skill um and in a hardcore situation a very significant advantage

compared to everyone else around you so if you're just going around buying all of the items you can possibly buy to be way stronger than you're supposed to be are you really playing hardcore and like the whole reason like i play with my brother the whole reason why we like playing it i haven't played in a while but theoretically we play um the whole reason why we like playing is because it like forces you to go slower you we play together so we play in a duo so we can trade with each other but we can't trade with anyone else so like our professions really matter because now we're like making things that we can use we can't get these things from other people you only have a fixed amount of professions you can even take

so we had to be like strategic about what professions each one of us was going to take so we can benefit each other the most possible way like there's all this like you have to pay attention all these subsystems so much more it makes like any random encounter super tense because oh what if you miss three or four times in a row and the random boar you're fighting crits you three or four times in a row well you're gonna be freaking out because if four times in a row well you're gonna be freaking out because if you screw up if this keeps going poorly your character is going to get deleted so yeah it's interesting yeah i can't find the actual details on like what the buff that you get is or anything else like that i think it's cool that they have the system in the game i don't

think i'd ever do it but there's a 100 000 hardcore tournament ongoing that's awesome wow people got to be level 60 and streamers legit logging in getting carried through people giving them gold and gear so they can get into the tournament yeah like that doesn't feel like hardcore to me get the add-on play it for real anyways with the unreal engine promoting ai powered smart NPCs in future games, should GPU testing now include an AI benchmarking suite like Stable Diffusion for generic A2A comparison? Absolutely, but it's going to take us some time to come up with meaningful benchmarks as they pertain to gaming. Linus, do you keep any backup computers at home? I would go crazy if I had to fix my computer on the regular. You're crazy.

I think we talked about this recently. Luke, did I ask you to guess how many computers I have in my house? No. Okay. Guess how many computers I have in my house. What? Okay, so... Are we...

Are these PCs? Like, are you counting servers they run windows okay are you counting vms anything capable anything currently running a vm counts as one okay fair enough vm counts as one okay fair enough 25 i don't actually know okay um so let's uh let's see mine and yvonne's office machines okay there's a little like uh thin client in the family room upstairs that i haven't actually really used i just like got it to kind of tinker with it it's there if it runs windows accounts um does it count if it leaves the house sometimes see i wasn't sure about this

i included in my crappy brain math your uh the asus thing that you have oh okay oh i didn't even think of that i meant like the four gaming laptops in oh okay oh i didn't even think of that i meant like the four gaming laptops in the van oh i didn't think of those i think those count seven darn it um okay so then there's the five in the land center yeah so we're up to 12 there's five laptops in the land center that i haven't removed yet so we're up 17. I actually did count both of those because I was pretty sure that was true. There's the play button PC, 18. There's my two Flow X13s, my old one and my new one

that I need to transfer everything onto and my framework. So, sorry, what are we up to? I think that's 21. Is that 20? I think that's's 20 i think i was at 17 oh i thought you're at 18 oh wait no oh no yeah 18 because i play button pc was 18 i think okay right okay so that's 21 there's yvonne's laptop so that's 22 i already got obliterated because he hasn't even got to the server room uh oh right yeah server room so in the server room

yeah server room so in the server room there's um do i count a test bench it works right now yeah okay so 23 three are we at 22 i i can't even i have no ram um we were at 21 with the laptops okay well 22 or 23 one of the two sure uh and then there's the nvme server so 20 let's say 23 then there's the hard drive server 24 and then there's um yeah i only find one more i'm a god what what i said 25 did you i think so oh okay i'll try and find one more for oh right right right uh ally hey 25 um now you have to find zero more do laptops count yeah yeah we counted okay good yeah um well okay does it does it count if it's in my house right now but on its way out like it's on a rack to load into my car how long was it at your house a year was this like a fairly permanent fixture like this is your thing is my old ally my inu i want to say no because i want to be right but i think that

counts okay okay so 26 yeah um there's probably another computer in there but that was like media center pc and the at the downstairs tv no so i i have the i have the fiber optic hdmi working great now so i just like plunk it into my computer i just use my computer from in there or i had the play button pc in there for a while but then yeah i just got bored of dealing with that um because it's no it works great now right you had to update it for whale land or whatever yeah but it has a thunderbolt gpu um and so the performance isn't as good and i'm kind of sitting here going well what i'm just the point to plug in an hdmi cable do that anyways you might as well yeah i might as well have like the performance of a 7900 xtx if i'm going to be gaming at 4k 120 um so yeah it's awesome

so 20 26 so in response it's not sorry i wasn't like showing off or anything. You asked if I, why I don't have a spare computer. And the answer is I definitely have a spare computer. I will typically just plug in an, an R flow X 13. If you did, if my computer's down car content and you didn't have a ton of cars at home, it would be really weird. Yeah.

Well, see, that's the thing, right? I'm always, I'm always trying stuff. I'm always playing around with stuff. Like i can only use one computer at a time but sometimes oh i forgot about the vr pc 27 um like i'm not gonna move my computer around every time i i actually did a review of a vr headset recently the big screen beyond like what i'm gonna like cart my computer and no no no no no like i actually do this for a living so it's um it's just a bit of a different calculus yeah is that you dan that said you're at six yeah i think it's six or something like that wow plus laptops i feel so not with it i'm at we don't count the

imax otherwise i'd have more than linus i want to i want a fourth but no one has told me that I can buy the wood accent parts yet. If I can, I'll have a fourth. But I'm not going to butt the line or anything. I'm waiting. I'm downsizing soon. There's a couple that need to get sold. All right, sorry. What's next?

Next, Luke. I know you have challenges with dyslexia. God, I hope I spelled that right. What about spoonerism? That's one I discovered that's a thing recently. What? Did you know the term spoonerism? I didn't.

No. Reversal of the initial letters or syllables of two or more words. I have a half-formed fish in my mind for half-formed wish. Ah, a blushing crow for a crushing blow isn't this just like a symptom of dyslexia and doesn't to a certain degree just like everybody do that or is that just me normalizing my own stuff no i mean i do i do it verbally like i'll do it verbally by accident but i don't think i would ever read it by accident i don't

know if this would even still be a problem because i like never write things but there was there was a time in high school i swear i wasn't doing it on purpose where i would write words and i'd like leave i wouldn't even I wouldn't have to think about it but I'd like leave one of the letters blank and then go back and put it I have no idea what the heck was going on with that not a clue that I that might be completely unrelated I have no idea that was very odd someone's I didn't even know that I did it someone saw me do it once and I was like wait yeah what's going on i have super weird issues yeah spelling i haven't had that happen to me at all in years but i don't write that often anymore but i was i mean i was taking notes in the gym and stuff and that never happened

so i don't know maybe i just stopped doing weird things is your spelling okay no because what i'll do is i'll like at the top of the page, I'll spell the word wrong. Surprise, Linus didn't roast me right there. Oh, I wasn't listening. Ask again. Neither of us can spell very well. He was like, is your spelling okay? And I was like, no.

Spelling matters. I don't think it doesn't matter. I just struggle with it. I just can't do it consistently. I'll be writing a page, and I'll not know how to spell a word at the top. And then like two sentences later, I'll know how to spell the word. Did I ever tell you about in grade, I think it was grade one, when my teacher held me back for recess and I had to break out of the classroom because I couldn't spell a certain word.

She didn't believe that I couldn't spell it, but I genuinely like had no idea. I don't remember what the, I think it was like library or something um and that are i remembered that first one it was on some of our uniforms i went to a private school it was like a private christian school um but yeah some of our uniforms had that word on it i think it was like i don't remember but yeah some of the uniforms had the word on it but not the one that I was wearing. So I like, she was like, you can't come out of the classroom, but she left, but she like,

I think she locked the door or something. I don't think you're allowed to do that. This was a private Christian school. They can do whatever the heck they want. Um, so I crawled out of one of the windows and found a kid that had the right uniform on, memorized how to spell it really quick,

ran back inside. And then flubbed it anyway, it down did get it right and then it's like bashed on the door until she came back and then she just like looked at me really weird and was like i guess you can go and then i went and hung out for recess i'm just like this has been a problem forever, is my point. This is not like a new thing. I don't think it was school. I don't think it was school. I don't remember what it was.

How much power does it take to run the pool loop? How many computers would it need to cool to break even with the running costs? Ooh, that's a good question. Not that much i mean each of those pumps is probably like 20 30 watts or something like that but as long as it's dumping more than that amount of heat into the pool which i'm very certain that it is the oh uh no no spoilers there's going to be a video where i demonstrate that we're definitely dumping heat into the pool um i'd say ever figure out the one loop no oh but it works perfectly now so after you and i like looked at it so i think it was an airlock or something like that probably worked

it out and we yeah we buy by by blocking off the one yeah, they both blow really cold air now, and it's awesome. Cool, nice. So that video is coming. Anywho, yeah, it's definitely worth it with even just the systems that are on it now, but from like a purely, you know, pure cost perspective, no, I'd be way better off

just dumping the air into my house and then using a heat pump which is way more efficient than like any kind of resistive heater or anything to just uh or a heat pump to do the cooling it doesn't matter the point is no it makes no sense and yes that's okay there that's what i'm trying to say i'm stunned i have so many funny stories from this school i I was only there for like three years. I'm stunned they're still around. They were a very small, like in the absolute boonies school. I remember one time I was super pissed when I came home because there was a creek that ran along like one of the sides of this school.

And we would race like little boats that we would make in the creek. And I was like playing with my boat while I was in class and the teachers took it from me. And I was like, I thought it was like theft. Like I was pissed, like complaining to my parents and my parents just being like, you shouldn't have played with it in class. And I was like, what do you mean? She stole from me. This is not okay. Yeah. Doesn't the Bible say something about that yeah like what are you talking about it's like you're like five so it's like one of the most important things to you you've

like ever had it's like whatever i don't know it's funny um next one hello dan and his merry men are there any employees that you feel deserve more recognition but aren't in a role where they would typically be in the spotlight yes please rerun the uncle linus bottle like all the developers yeah i mean man like even even yvonne is a perfect example of someone that i have to go out of my way to make it so that people have any idea that she does anything here um and people just the number of times i've seen it assumed that she's the boss's wife which is just yeah so reductive is that a word i hope it's a word it is to me yeah but everything's a word to you um present a subject or problem in a simplified form especially when viewed as crude you know what

i'm going with it um yeah it's it's just it's so it's so dismissive and disrespectful and honestly it's it's a problem that everyone other than the people on camera have it's one of the reasons i go out of my way to you know thank the team and and talk about how we did something the problem is that sometimes that's not necessarily good for business people like having a you know a personality they relate to they like things feeling personal and so you know we've tried we've played around with it a lot of times when i put we did x in the title of the video versus i wasted five hundred dollars on y i even just thinking right now that's more clickable for sure of course it is yeah and so it's it's a challenge right because in order to do the right thing for the team sometimes i have to

take the narcissistic path right which is like f**ked i don't know what to tell you all these all these pressures to not do it and then the algorithm's just like yes yeah i don't make the rules it's not even the algorithm's just like, yes. Yeah, I don't make the rules. It's not even the algorithm. Remember, you can understand the platform so much better if you replace the word algorithm with audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The audience chooses. The audience clicks what it clicks. I don't make the rules.

They're the boss, man. Yeah. So yeah, no, I mean, everyone has logistics, entire departments of people who get no recognition at all but we you know we need them to function i have i have old school members of the team that are like yeah pillars of the community have worked here for a long time i don't know if they've ever been on I think I think I know Jaden is in like an LTX exclusive at the very least and I know he's in the background of some video from like forever ago but I don't I don't know if he's been in anything more recently I don't really think so I don't know if AJ's ever been on camera

AJ's been here since like 2016 years or something yeah he's ever been on camera. AJ's been here since like 2016. Six years or something. Yeah. He's never been on camera. That's crazy. Like they're there. Yeah. I have a lot of examples from the dev teams.

Mastery asks, who gets the most praise and recognition? Me, but there's another edge on that sword. yeah also gets pretty sharp too everything else yeah when something goes wrong i'm damned if i do i'm damned if i don't if i tell the true story that it was actually someone else's fault i had nothing to do with it and no way to prevent it then i'm throwing my team under the bus yeah and if i accept the responsibility and i do the adult thing then i'm an incompetent with so i can't win i've tried it both ways yeah

hi linus you are rich and frugal what are you doing with all your excess money bill gates didn't leave any for his children what are you doing with your excess who the f**k curated this not me not me actually hey um well building stuff yeah i i i okay we have a lot of revenue we um our revenue is greater than our costs but that doesn't necessarily mean that we're not doing things with it um i would say everything from everything from wise investments for the future um just in case things go sideways to uh building future business opportunities so we can continue to grow and provide opportunities for upward mobility for our team to, you know, I finally over the last few years started

just blowing some of it on myself. I live in a nicer house now. I drive a pretty okay car. It's pretty okay. Hotly debated. Yeah, it's pretty okay. I mean, there's people here who wouldn't take one for free because they're petrolheads or whatever,

but like, you know, I think it's pretty okay. I'd take one for free. And I'm building a badminton center. I'd probably sell it. I'd 100% sell it. I don't even know. There's no way. You wouldn't.

Don't even know if I would drive it. Really? Not even once? Just in case? Like brakes or something? I mean, that's fair. It's broken a couple times already. um did you know yvonne curved it is that what happened to the the rim or something yeah yeah someone shouldn't sort of picture i was so unhappy anyway um

unfortunate yeah those are probably really expensive you know what's really funny is my you know what's crazy what if you do that in my car it like wouldn't matter at all the wheels would get shiny or the value would go up so my grandfather um was in the hospital uh self-repairing uh a couple weeks ago and we went to visit him and he made kind of a um kind of a misogynistic joke about whether or not i let yvonne drive my car oh boy and i know he was joking because he's not like that okay but you know i'm still gonna make sure that i you know okay the follow-up of this even if it is a joke or not play this hand correctly is that it is our car yep that was purchased with our money um and it would be ridiculous for me to restrict or

otherwise try to dictate yvonne's access to a shared vehicle that we both paid for um and uh you know because it was also kind of so it was a joke about you know pants wearing in the relationship but also the old stereotype of uh of bad women drivers right like it was it was it was kind of a it was a two-pronged joke that like like he's like 80 something like chill like i i he sometimes old people say stuff that is you know not in line with modern sensibilities and we all we that's part of being accepting sometimes is accepting that some people don't have the same acceptance as you and just they're not going to be here much longer so

it doesn't matter just chill it's okay um anyway so i said all of that and um and and he's like um but aren't you worried she's gonna wreck it and i was like no she's actually a really good driver blah blah blah don't forget yvonne's also asian so they're not racist yeah i actually promise you that but like that doesn't mean they don't make off-color jokes sometimes and so um yvonne left to go it's a hell of a thing yeah yvonne left to go get um like my sister and my kids because they hadn't come right away just in case his condition was upsetting to the kids or something. But I had to talk him into letting the grandkids come so that they could see him.

And I was like, no, you don't look that bad. I think it's okay. So anyway, Yvonne went to go get everyone, walked in and was like, I curbed the car. Right after that interaction. Oh, man. Oh, geez. Oh, man.

I ran the poll in floatplane chat. Would you rather have one of Linus's Daikan or 25 of Luke's Acuras? Okay, hold on a second. you couldn't afford 20 you could oh nick uh nick sent me some all capitals team's message to remind us about that you actually good it's pretty split actually yeah you do have to remember that my car is a little old how are you gonna drive 25 acuras at once? No, we thought this through. And they would last forever. So the first one that we came up with was you do a different color scheme for every single month of the year.

Where are you going to store them? That's besides the point. Because if you could store 25 cars, you could buy 25 Taycans. Here in Vancouver. No, you just park them on the street and then get another one. No, you guys just got checkmated. So hard. Would you rather have one parking space?

Well, you don't have to buy all of them at the same time. Oh yeah, that's reasonable. You can have all the screens figured into it. This one's out of gas. You just leave it at the side of the road. Just put wraps on your tie can with your sponsorship from Dbrand so you don't pay for them anyway.

Boom. Mic drop. This is why he runs the business and we don't. Get all your stuff stolen because your trunk stays open all the time. That's user error. Yeah, that is user error.

I don't know. I don't know. If the key's as wacky as you're saying. It's not that wacky. Oh, I don't have them. Yvonne took them. Oh, right. I wonder if she's breaking my car right now

just get it just get 25 accuras would fill our parking w tip i think one extra acura would fill our parking we're on the we're on the edge right now yeah yeah okay well sony tech here blu-rays have been console locked with daughter boards for every single patient by law. And the PS5 wasn't going to be the one to not adhere to that rule. In this case, it's not up to Sony. It's kind of bringing back to an earlier topic.

So, but just because it's locked, does that mean that, well, hold on a second. No, I thought you could on a PS1. Oh, Blu-rays, Blu-rays. Okay. So on a second no i thought you could on a ps1 oh blu-rays blu-rays okay so on a ps3

can you replace blu-ray drive so someone says if your wife curbs your car you pull out another one of your 25 oh just five wives or your 25 cars? Just leave it, sweetie. We've got more at home. Don't worry. I'll grab accurate number four. Oh, this is the blue one. The vlure interior. It does require swapping the Blu-ray drive board

from the old drive onto the replacement, but here's what I don't understand. Why isn't the board just in the external Blu-ray drive thing then? Couldn't it just be an authenticated validated thing and then it just plugs in via usb i mean the xbox whatever the crap had a usb blu-ray drive didn't it xbox 360 usb blu-ray i thought so you can also how to play blu-ray disc on xbox one and 360 including if you haven't got one get an external usb blu-ray disc on xbox one and 360 including if you haven't got one get an external usb blu-ray disc drive like am i am i missing something here no it had hd dvd okay there you

go never mind my bad um yeah okay fair enough i i hate it and i feel like there would have to be some kind of a better solution but if you if you say it's necessary for reasons that are beyond Sony's control, then I retract my derision. I like how Linus is at an age where complicated names like iPad Pro 12.9-inch 6th generation, USB 3.2 generation 2x2, and Snapdragon 8 generation 3 don't deserve to be memorized in his head. What other names infuriate you? The biggest ones for me are not even necessarily the super long ones.

The ones that make me really mad are the ones that are the same from one generation to the next. Mac Pro. No, no, no. That's f*** you. That's not helpful. How am I supposed to look up technical articles and specs and find information on this thing? It's ridiculous. It's like they don't want people to know about their products. I don't mind if there's a rhyme or reason to it. Like the A7N32-SLI Deluxe. Okay, it's an A for AMD.

It's seven for, you know, K7. It's, actually, I don't think there was an A7. See, okay, see, look, the system works. A7 would have been an AMD platform motherboard for the K7, which means there was no SLI because that was an agp platform it would have been the a8 and 32 dash sli deluxe uh so 32 if i recall correctly referred to the 2x16 pcie lanes uh so it would have been an a7n uh 8x something for the previous generation because you would have had just an AGP slot. And then Deluxe generally refers to the slightly higher tier board, which has like more USB or eSATA or like SATA ports

or, you know, Firewire or whatever the case may be. Like as long as there's a rhyme or a reason to it, I don't mind, but non-adherence to a standard naming scheme upsets me a lot like um you know or skipping a random generation you know when they just skipped ryzen 4000 even like when nvidia would be like this generation is best by exclusive it felt like skipping it yeah well that's just as bad that's because it was like oh it means that it wasn't a generation it wasn't a product lineup yeah yeah hey ldl a few wan meets ago you talked about silicon fabs how hard do you think it would be

for a developing country like india to set up their own silicon fab as good as tsmc and samsung have impossible and i don't even mean that as like a knock against india i just mean if you don't have the expertise because it's not about access to the water or like the equipment from asml it's about expertise it's about intellectual property like if you are not tsmc samsung global foundries or intel um you're not building a fab at the tier of of those guys and even those guys uh you know even the second place fab is significantly different in terms of its approach and capabilities compared to the first place fab.

Even if you're on the same node, I mean, we've seen this time and time again with Samsung being on the same node as TSMC, but their power characteristics suck or whatever the case may be. It's as much black magic as it is science at that point, and I just don't think it's realistic. I mean, China's trying,

and they are achieving some pretty amazing stuff over there, but no, they're not on the same level as TSMC and Samsung, at least not yet. Yeah, this is a good point. Even TSMC, Space Raz razor brings this up in floatplane chat even tsmc is having trouble building a fab like tsmc they're trying to build one in the u.s and they can't find a workforce for it sorry go ahead uh burn sorry another interruption bernie said india is launching rockets so it seems it's easier to put something in oh my goodness it seems it's

easier to put something in space than make a chip. Well, yeah, they've been putting rockets in space since the 60s. Exactly. They've made it more cost-effective and stuff. Back when computers were woven together by hand. Like, burning fuel and rocketing something into space, very complicated.

But it's more of like a mechanical engineering problem and less of like a nano manufacturing problem yeah all right next up linus i've been meaning to ask you since you have your computer on a server rack instead of in your room how do you turn your pc on remotely i get up off my lazy gamer and uh go turn it on It sucks. I've been meaning to implement something that is an upcoming video. There's a lot of different options. There's little key fobs that you can attach to like a relay board to your power switch. There's a Pi KVM. There's magic packets as unreliable as I've found that over the years, there's, there's actually,

you can just run a wire. You can actually run an incredibly long wire and just put your power button wherever it turns out. We've tested it. I just, I think Jake tried like a hundred foot spool or something like that. And it totally worked. You just bridge the contact and it turns on the motherboard.

So I just haven't gotten around to it. Last one. The curated. Hey, L lld after all these years of gaming what do you guys think is the greatest game of all time and why okay is this this is a very loaded the most or is this what we think is the greatest game but is it the greatest for me or is it the greatest for everyone what do you think i think i think it's what do you think is the greatest for me or is it the greatest for everyone? What do you think? I think it's what do you think is the greatest game of all time? For me? It's what do you think is the greatest game of all time?

But is this my favorite game? No, it's the game that I think is the greatest. The greatest game. The greatest game of all time. Are you being intentionally obtuse? No. Not very complicated, Luke. I have something that I think is the greatest game then let's hear it but i don't recommend

that anyone plays it put stalin you communist wow our bell look at him he got the dig oh my goodness come on. Skyrim, no. Right, well, we're checking them off the list. I don't know. I don't know. I'll have to look that up on Steam. Yeah, it's highly rated. 98 Metacritic.

I mean, my personal one is Morrowind, but is that the greatest game? It's my favorite one, but I don't know if it's the greatest game. I think it'd be easier to define what metric a greatest game would be measured as. Morrowind inspired me the most. It made me care about game development. It made me care about what went into,

what is it called? Foley even. Like, yeah. It made me care about a lot of things more than I had ever even considered in the past, like before Morrowind. Thank you for mentioning Foley. Yeah.

You'd never guess it because man, does that game have some... I was not expecting you to say Morrowind and the Foley was inspiring. That's messed up. But like, do you know... Yeah, I understand. But this is what I'm saying.

I don't know if it's the greatest game. It just hit me really hard. But here's a random little tidbit. Do you know the sound of warthogs hitting things? Do you know what that was? They were throwing Xboxes on the ground. Oh my, the Halo. Don't, those guys are on another level.

Whoever, I don't, I should really figure out and worship them more. But those guys are amazing. I got really, I got really into, I was like thinking I might want to do that. And then I realized like four people have that job. And I was like, nevermind. Yeah, no, it's an incredibly weird and creative field. And nothing that you hear in games is what you think it is.

To be clear, when I say that, I've been like, oh, maybe I should do that to probably pretty much everything in the world. So that's not a unique thing. But yeah. So you're going with morrowind i feel like it's a cop out because it's just my favorite game um but probably i feel like you need to define the the greatness aspect here oh yeah this is obviously an impossible question to answer i just enjoyed watching you squirm um i i would be really hard for me to come up with one because i you know when i think greatness uh you know i think influence right so obviously you have to start talking about games

like pong or tetris or yeah half-life or you know whatever else but those aren't games that i enjoyed they were not part of my childhood they were not formative for me you know for me if i was trying to think greatest you know something like a final fantasy six i think it has a great story great music like if we talk about a complete game if i tried to put like i'm really enjoying it it's really good if i try to put myself back and when that game was released holy hell dude yeah it was it was great oh yeah um and that's another thing too like do we consider it being a product of its time like i i would make the argument that super mario world is basically a perfect game tell me something to improve about it didn't that game more or less single-handedly save at home gaming? You could make that argument.

Although... Or consoles at least? The NES had already been very successful. Was it? Okay. Yeah. The NES was already very successful, but Super Mario World was a once in a generation of games game. Like it was incredible.

The music, the artwork, the the gameplay it was so good um you know i i personally have a really really um soft spot for far cry for for the first one uh the the what was really innovative at the time played them surprisingly but they're really going going you mean the first one uh i count one and two two was crap as early far cries i wasn't saying it was good oh i'm just saying not many people played either of those oh yeah no um but they're really interesting both of them to look back at at a from a tech perspective far cry one really came out of absolutely nowhere at a time when everyone was waiting for um what was what was the stupid doom game at the time i forget doom doom ultimate i've i don't remember what i think it ended up being a bit of a uh

starter yeah doom games listed uh i'm not using amiga but they're super cool doom was fine it was just flashlight jokes you know uh main series here we go uh doom 2 doom 64 doom 3 that was the one uh yeah so everyone was waiting with bated breath for doom 3 half-life 2 and then far cry beat them to market by like six months or something like that and was just out of nowhere, in my opinion, the best of the three. And I played through all three of them. Well, that's a dangerous thing to say.

I'm going to come in here. Doom 3 was trash. He said something not amazing about Half-Life. Oh, you're going to upset the internet. Actually, I've heard dissenting opinions about Half-Life. Oh, you're going to upset the internet. Actually, I've heard dissenting opinions about Half-Life. It was fun. You could approach it any way you wanted. There was boats and vehicles, and it was beautiful.

You were in this lush, beautiful environment. You were this colorful character you're like basically like uh like a like a a swashbuckler smuggler like chad um like you just it just had so much much personality um far cry one is awesome and yeah there you you heard me say it and it was it was not open world yet right like we hadn't we hadn't hit open world gaming yet but the idea that you just kind of had a marker on your map and you go and get there however you want in this on these giant maps the maps were were enormous, no loading screens. That was crazy at the time. That was awesome.

Yeah. The open world nature of Far Cry 3 was actually really good. And then Ubisoft decided to spend the next, what would that have even been? Decade, decade and a half, making the exact same game with a different skin on it. And now people hate it, which sucks,

because if you go back and play Far Cry 3, I guarantee you, it's trash, but I think it's trash because it's been played out so hard. Right, yep. I see people talking about Max Payne. I have not played Max Payne. I need to. I've only played a demo,

and it was very fun. Yeah. I really, I really need to do it. Yeah. Um, yeah. So I'm,

I get, yeah. But then, you know, I, I've already said before, like if I'm being honest with myself, taking off the rose colored lenses, I think breath of the wild is the best game I've ever played.

Like it's nothing has made me like that thing you're talking about before that just spontaneous um exploration nothing has made me feel like that the way and been and been as rewarding as breath of the wild so there's games where you'll you'll want you'll want to explore but it turns out this is actually a really small town there's only like eight people to talk to. And most of them don't like give you a quest or, or fulfill you in any way. You'd hate Starfield. Oh, yeah.

My, my thoughts have continuously evolved and gotten more negative about that game as time has gone on. I, my, my overall, if I had to try to condense my entire review into one little thing, it would be like sometimes

sometimes creativity needs bounce yeah yeah that's that's an interesting take and i haven't even touched on anything multiplayer like i think there's probably a lot of people who would say yeah counter-strike is the greatest game of all time. Incredible staying power. It's closer to chess than it is to something like A Far Cry, where it's open-ended or whatever. It's less about the game being changing, and it's more about the game being a constant

and the players changing. And that in itself is the mark of a great game such a wildly difficult thing to accomplish exactly is easy to easy to learn impossible to master right like it's um and so yeah you could make i think you could make if we want to go down these strains i think eve should be mentioned i was about to say wow yeah i think i think that to not mention an mmo in a list of greatest games is a huge eve and wow i think almost each individually deserves some type of accolade in this pile and because it was it was i think you could make the argument i will make the argument that mmos made gaming more accessible

at a time when people were focused on gameplay styles that were only really accessible to um other social a more a more male audience um a more male you know internet citizen audience like i didn't know any gamer girls until wow yeah it anyone it seemed like could enjoy wow and you know was part of it that it was engineered to be digital crack cocaine sure was it created by the government and you know spread to subdue the populace maybe but i feel like there's but that's great that's a that's that's a great thing they achieved to i mean what were their concurrent subscribers at their peak like over 50 million or something like that like it was a ton like for something to have that kind of influence there's a dedicated south park episode about it like and that was at south park's peak in terms of cultural sway

12 million but you got to understand how many less people were even on the internet at all it was only 12 million peak i think so that can't be right i mean it could definitely be wrong that's just what i guess 12 million after the lich king which i believe was the peak wow peaked at 12 million subscribers but okay hold on remember so few people had computers that could even run it yeah i knew people back then that didn't have the internet at home or they were still on like genuine put the phone on the thing dial up. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true.

Like my computer when WoW first came out, when I played back in 2004, if I wanted to raid, I had to point my camera at the wall because the game was unplayable if I didn't do that. I couldn't look at the fight that was happening and I had to just like hope and i would get like three to four fps i'm not even kidding wow so like it was not very accessible in regards to technological requirements i see a lot of people talking about just like genre defining you know games like something like a street fighter what has had the staying power of street fighter almost yeah no street fighters older than counter-strike by a long shot you're you're right but i wonder what the gap is it's big fighter wait was that arcade before console oh yeah baby oof okay yeah 1987 for street fighter i forgot it would have been arcade first and like you could you could say oh yeah tetris you know maintains relevance today but i i would argue street

fighter and its inspirational clones are like it's the clones that it inspired have had a longer period of relevance than almost anything else like people still freaking play street fighter and people were freaking playing street fighter back in the late 1980s all right i gotta bring one up 2000 yeah hit me runescape i mean you talked about how wow was taking cues from runescape's hard mode and iron mode like that is such a distilled experience happening now yeah we talk about number go up and like do thing, number go up, get to 99, right? RuneScape is such a distilled experience

for that type of gameplay loop, which everything else is built on in my opinion. And the fact that people still play RuneScape. It is so perfectly addictive. The original. Levels of number go up that people still play it. I mean, I think that there's, there's arguments to be made for Warcraft two,

Starcraft, Warcraft three, any one of them modding Warcraft three, mine. Well, don't forget Dota Starcraft. Modding was a big thing in Starcraft as well. So Warcraft two, you had custom maps.

Warcraft three was crazy. The way that the map editor evolved. That's the reason I brought up all three of them. Cause in Warcraft two, you could create custom scenarios. But in Starcraft, you could do a bunch of scripting because the campaigns had a bunch of scripting and they basically made, as far as I can tell, made the map editor functional like their own tools.

But Warcraft 3, A, made it more accessible. And B, I think the general internet-dwelling population was getting more code-savvy, and it was just this perfect storm moment of incredible creativity meets incredible tools, and Dota was born. And lots of other stuff. Lots of other stuff.

I mean, tower defense kind of existed, but is an entire genre of gaming now. Yeah. And really from as, as far as I can tell, had its inflection point with Warcraft three. Like I know there were tower defense bots for Starcraft and I know there was stuff before that,

but Warcraft three man, tower defense was huge. That was the hockey stick moment for custom games. Despite them existing significantly beforehand, Warcraft three was huge. That was the hockey stick moment for custom games. Despite them existing significantly beforehand, Warcraft 3 was crazy. I remember there was a pretty significant period of time where all my friends would just play Warcraft 3 custom games and nothing else.

And there was a big range. That was a whole summer for me. We'd play Dota. We'd play Winter Mall Wars. I used to love Winter Mall Wars. Winter Mall was a very good TD. Winter Mall Wars was a versus td we had to fight each other so cool so much fun and all these crazy strategies of how you balance your

economy it's got built-in multiplayer too right yeah like it just comes with multiplayer yeah did we ever play that risk map for supreme commander i remember talking about it. I don't know if we... Oh, it's really fun. I feel like we might have, but I don't know. Anyway. That is the last of my curated. Oh. I'm glad that one went for so long. Yeah, lots of potentials. Can we start curating them or just reading them out?

Pick one. Why do I not have the interface open? Okay, well, I don't have the dashboard, so you guys feel free to... Okay...., I don't have the dashboard, so you guys feel free to, um, okay. Do stuff, uh, with augmented reality being able to be used on even lower tier work devices

like the Samsung X cover pro. What are some ways you foresee AR being used in business? For example, Walmart uses Viz pick for keeping logs of stock. Oh, training is probably the biggest one for me. Like I, or just, you know, remotely instructing someone. Like imagine for a second,

if someone the size of Walmart, right? With all your dozens or hundreds of stores or whatever it is, instead of having like a trained technician in every region for how to fix your pos terminals if you could just have half a dozen of them sitting at a central location that can instruct any idiot on how to fix something i i i could see that being absolutely huge um i i i think we are just beginning to imagine all the ways that AR is going to change our lives. That could be a whole WAN show, but yeah, everything.

It's already being used in a big way, and it's just the beginning. Hi, LLD. I work in the bioinformatics. Hi, LLD. I work in the bioinformatics. Would you consider some sort of collaboration to show people how HPC clusters or servers are actually used and what's actually meant by scientific applications in biology? I'd love to, but the challenge with that is a lot of the time the work that's being done is not very visual and it doesn't translate well to a visual medium like video so there have been situations where we've wanted to collaborate with industries um or or like educational institutions on you know just talking about hpc or um you know data visualization or not data or like um you know high-end visualization um applications like there was this one where they they try to extract the oil and gas from sunken ships from like world war ii to keep it from leaking out into the ocean and also it's like worth money i guess and stuff um and we wanted to do something with them and it just like it didn't really work because the only way for us to do it would be to like go out on a ship into the atlantic ocean otherwise we're just talking about and and like it's so cool by the

way they would do this like visualization like under the ocean thing i will volunteer my time um it's too much time okay yeah it was it was like it was like over a week just to get to the site because yeah and like there's no guarantee things will go well because it's like ocean exploration. Lots of things are slow on the ocean. Yeah, so I forbid it. Fair enough. Hello, LLD.

Buying my first gift card to save up for shipping. Linus, what happened to your DIY water cooling bed? Always curious if you still use or stayed with the eight sleep mattress is it any good i still use the eight sleep no the the diy water cooling bed was hilarious but it was not it was not real anymore you just want to start reading them off i just just uh sorry let's just go for it just do it do it you coward here i'm trying off? I just, just, uh, sorry, let's just go for it. Just do it. Do it, you coward.

I'm trying to curate things. I just curated one. Oh my God. We have a system. Why didn't you use the controlled atmospheric chamber to test the sub-ambient PC? Wouldn't humidity control be helpful to ensure as little moisture buildup as possible? Our humidity control wasn't working yet at that point. In fact, while it was working for a while, it is now broken again because the housing on the pump for the water loop failed.

Right as we were filming a video this week on the indestructible laptop that Keith from the tech shop sold me. So we'll get back to you on that, basically. Howdy, LLD. I have a one and a half year old son and wanted to see what baby steps I can take to get them to slowly start gaming. Any specific games or activities that would be helpful? Gaming is highly addictive and, and a high stimulation activity. You won't need to do anything to get them gaming.

They will game whether you like it or not. They'll do anything that you do like it or not. So, you know, keep that in mind with all your bad habits. And try to get them to do other things. One of the things that I did was I told my kids that they weren't allowed to play. I play RPG games. And whenever they would see me playing one,

I think Bravely Default was the one that I did this with for my first kid. And he was like, I want to play that. Can I play that game? I go, no, you won't enjoy it until you can read. So learn to read and then you can play. Motivate kids. You got to incentivize them. Gaming should be a carrot, not an end goal.

Yep. I don't even have kids and I agree thoroughly. Hey, LLD, curious as to why you think computer repair shops are a bad idea as somebody who has run their own for the past decade somewhat successfully uh gen x and z are quite luddite um it's not that i think they're a bad idea it's that i think they're an extremely challenging business which i'm sure you i'm sure you wouldn't disagree with um and the repair aspect is by far the most lucrative the one that i'm constantly discouraging people from is the one where they think they're just going to

become a system integrator that is a brutal business where it's extremely difficult to come up with any kind of unique value proposition. And if you don't have a unique value proposition, why should I buy from you instead of one of the hundred other system integrators that can buy parts at Newegg and assemble them for me? That's where I really think people are going to run into challenges. Honestly, if I wanted to get into the computer shop business, though, right now, I don't even know that I would start one, I think that what I would rather do is like,

inherit one, or like, you try to try to buy one from the owner or something like that, I think that would be a better bet. So you have that established clientele that it's least that is at least used to you being there. Because I think it'd be really hard to break out as a brand new computer repair shop without any kind of established trust hi lld business question could you shed light on how sourcing for ltd labs differs from sourcing for creator warehouse from a supply chain and operations perspective i have no idea that's the goal and last one hi linus at ltx i got the 10 million subscriber case and i want to see if there's any

possibility i could buy the play button c pc that came with it also plan to build a top of the line pc inside it oh i'm so sorry but i was willing to bid adieu to the uh like the the the case for it but as a youtuber my 10 million subscriber diamond play button is one of my most prized possessions um and i just don't see any conceivable way that i could part with it but thank you for that donation that um helped some sick kids yeah and thanks for watching the wan show we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel Luke's going down in superchecks probably bye

I have to pee all right superchecks let's go wherever you need to be it's not as important as it's best Oh, lock up. Don't you worry. That's fine. We can help lock up because we have to go get a thing for me to stand on anyway. I'm not tall enough to play with Luke. Okay. Well, because I need the game to be boosted. They're too weird. Oh, no.

I wish I'd got this during the show. Dbrand responded. He says, of course.