The WAN Show - Sony Killed Physical Games - WAN Show July 3, 2026

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they will no longer be manufacturing physical game discs. Don't interrupt. This is a moment of silence. In other news this week, Valve has dropped the D-brand steaming. Machine Companion Cube case down the legal incinerator after its makers neglected to get their permission to make it. This has to be just about the most Dbrand thing ever. What else we got this week? The, you know, memory is a problem for everyone. Meta is using custom chips to run DDR4 in servers designed for DDR5. Okay, it's legitimately actually really cool. That is. That's why, yeah,

it's interesting. Unfortunately, that's really, interesting right now. That's the world that we live in. Yeah, I don't make the those. Oh man, I had another one, but I don't know where it was. Too late. Too late. I'm rolling the intro. You're out of time. There's a flock camera that appeared in someone's yard and they were like, what? And we're going to talk about flot cameras again, because I feel like people should know about them. The show is brought to today by Factor Meals, Odu, H-Refs, and Green Man Gaming along with our rap partner D brand, our laptop partner, Razor and our chair partner also Razor. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic this

week? Sony PlayStation made waves when they announced that physical disc production will be ending in January 2028 for new games released on PlayStation consoles and that future games will be available at retailers in digital formats only, i.e. likely download codes and boxes. that date, developers will apparently still be able to place orders for game disks of titles that were previously released. This comes the same day. The same to actually... You know what?

No. This comes the same day as the announcement of the closure of the PlayStation 3 and Vita Digital Storefronts in July 2027, where the games that you purchased will remain available for download, which I guess is good, but you will no longer be able to buy any more, which is bad. Also, this came the same week as the removal of 550 movies from Sony Pictures Core due to licensing issues. These will no longer be available to you, even if you owned them. What is Sony Pictures Core? Am I the only one that doesn't know what this is? I assume it's a streaming service.

Never heard of it. Sony Pictures Core. Entertainment app for PS4 and PS5? There you go. You're not a PlayStation gamer, so you don't know. Way to go, Luke. I guess. I didn't know what it was either.

This... Epic quality, limitless entertainment, unless we remove a bunch of them. There's definitely a limit. This perfect storm has resulted in huge backlash online, including multiple petitions to have Sony continue physical game releases with multiple tens of thousands of signatures and even a lawmaker in Brazil sending a notice to a consumer protection agency asking that Sony needs to be investigated. Despite all of this, however, Sony is unlikely to backtrack as they've been preparing this transition for quite

some time with employees reportedly already starting to test, develop, and deploy new manufacturing processes for optics such as microlenses in what used to be their disc-making facilities. We have an optional, neat fact here, by the way. This announcement has increased the demand for the current PS5 add-on disk drive, and Sony has limited sales to one per order. Yes, because that is, of course, the solution to a company behaving in an anti-consumer monopulistic fashion. Let's buy their stuff. Fast, quickly. Quickly buy their stuff. As fast as we can. All right. Discussion question. There's a lot of them. There's quite a few discussion questions. I think there's a lot to discuss here.

I think there is. Do you think this change will have a big impact on the sale of PlayStation consoles and games in the future? I am very much a physical disc guy. I've actually bought a decent amount of Blu-rays in the last little while. Okay, name one. I'm not saying you haven't. Apollo 11. Yeah.

Apollo 11? Yeah. What's Apollo 11? Yeah. That's why I got it. Is that a movie? Apollo 11. Yeah, but like, you mean 13, right?

No. Apollo 11 movie. What the devil is? Oh, documentary. Oh, cool. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. All right. Cool. Anyways. Yeah, I'm very much like physical media. I also bought, I wanted to get Pocopia for Emma. Yeah.

So, and I have a switch to. So I didn't do the digital download. I was in Japan recently. So I bought the Japanese version, which if you put a Japanese or any other language, as far as my understanding, goes, cart into, like, an English or any other language switch. It'll just play it in the language of your local switch. There's none of that old, those old problems we used to run into.

You gotta love region locks, right? Yeah, so it's cool to have the case and the cart being Japanese, but then still be able to understand what the heck is going on with the game. So I like physical media, always have, but I don't think it's going to have a big impact. If we look at the percentage of sales of people who have actually been buying physical media, it's not that high compared to people buying digital. And when the new wave of consoles comes out, as far as my understanding goes, the primary competition is also going to have no disc drive.

And this is quantifiable. So according to Daniel Ahmad of NICO partners, the current full game physical digital sales split is about 22% physical to 78% digital on PlayStation. I'm honestly surprised it's so high for physical. And more like 10% to 90% over on Xbox. So more digital. And I suspect that's, oh, I wonder why. That's a really big difference. I wonder if Xbox is more popular in the North American market and less popular elsewhere.

And the North American market is more tuned for digital. US does skew more digital. Yeah. But I wonder if that's like, is there any other explanation? Is there less Xbox is sold with like physical drives? No, I don't think so. Is that 12% shift, which is an over doubling, realistically,

because it went from 10% on Xbox to 22% on PlayStation. So I don't think it's just, I don't think calling it a 12% shift is even fair enough. That's an over doubling in the amount of people that are buying physical media. And it's on the much more popular platform, which is also interesting. Yeah.

But yeah, I think when the next gen of consoles come around, people are going to buy a console and if your option is no disc drive versus no disc drive and x-bos just what you're going to buy and x-box just keeps doing the stuff they've been doing yep you're probably going to buy a PlayStation and it's not going to have a disc drive so like i and at the end of the day we know that gamers are going to just buy it yeah if if gta 7 okay comes out for the PlayStation 7 or 8 or whatever however many playstations we get by the time you get. We don't even have GTA 6 yet. You know you're going to, you know you're going to buy it.

I mean, we talked last week about how GTA 6 is not going to be available physically out of the gate, right? And I had speculated that even though they are going to make a disc available later, that this does appear to be a tactical move to capitalize on all of the initial sales in that window and make sure that they don't have. a big wave of secondhand market discs to compete against, you know, three months in as they're trying to continue to charge full price for this game, right?

Anything that they can do to extend that window where they control the market pricing for the game is going to be something that's going to be very appealing to a company like Take 2. And very appealing to a company like Sony. Like our next question here is, do you think Sony will use their new monopoly to raise the price of games

or eliminate sales. Not necessarily. I think that... Or eliminate sales. Like promotions. If anything. They seem to be ramping up promotions. They seem to be, yeah, they seem to be very competitive

when it comes to promotions these days. And competition does still exist for that dollar, even if it doesn't exist within the PlayStation Waldgarden itself, right? like Sony can't be completely out to lunch in terms of their pricing compared to, you know, what Valve is doing over on Steam, at least not forever or eventually something's got to give, right? But what I do think that they will do is I think they will use the non-existence of these other pressures, these outside pressures to maintain game pricing high. I don't think they're going to get rid of sales and promos entirely.

I don't think they will necessarily, you know, try to push to, you know, $90, $100, $110 retail for a game. Gamers have shown that there is only a certain percentage of people and only for certain tent pull releases where they're willing to spend more than that like 60 to 70 U.S. dollars. Unless it's a skin. Which I... Got to make sure, unless they're getting way less for it, and then no problem.

But if they're getting a full fat game, there's no way. Don't even consider it. Yeah, thank you for that. $250 R.E. Skin? Stick it in their veins, brother. All right. Our next discussion question is, do you think there's any chance that a PS6 or a Project Helix will have a disc drive for backwards compatibility and 4K Blu-ray play? back. I think, oh, oh, this is hilarious. There's really little text here. Copium reports say no for both,

and I'm sad. Please give me copium. Did David prepare this topic? It was. It was David who made who prepared this topic. David, we're not getting it. See, the thing is that optical drive mechanisms are one of those things kind of like hard drives. Like, you know how it's kind of confusing, right? How you can have a 30-terabyte hard drive and you can have a one-tenth, carbide hard drive and the cost per terabyte varies wildly right as you get up towards the very very high capacity

stuff it's really expensive per terabyte and then as you get to the very low capacity stuff it's really expensive per terabyte and there's this sweet spot kind of in the middle and the reason for that is that there's just a certain bare amount of bill of materials

that has to go into manufacturing anything that has like a motor in it If you go from the super high end, now you're paying a premium, and it's probably fancier, newer, lower capacity engineering, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And the premium. If you're on the low end, now you're dealing with bill of materials issues and shipping

and all this other kind of stuff. So in the same way, optical drives, what I'm trying to illustrate is that no matter how many, you know, gigabytes you can store on the disk, so you'll have your cutting-edge ones that are really expensive, and then you'll have your, like, old ones that actually, are really expensive per amount you can store and the sweet spot could kind of end up in the middle sometimes because there's just a certain amount of stuff that you have to put in it.

It has to have a motor. It has to have an optical laser. Like it has to have a lens assembly. It has to have a laser in it. It has to have all this stuff and they have to be reliable mechanisms. They're prone to failure. They're prone to getting dust in them.

And they are adding to the cost of Project Helix on the PlayStation 6 at a time when I'm not expecting anybody to, you know, feel bad for our corporate overlords, especially as they're ripping away movies that people paid for and, you know, taking away physical media and the ability to lend it and trade it that comes with it. But they are under pressure due to local, thank you for that, due to worldwide shortages in both DRAM and NAN flash that are going to drive the prices up for these consoles to the point where I'm looking at it going,

holy shit, are they even going to sell? Like Microsoft, I think, has been pretty upfront that Project Helix could be over $1,000, and I wouldn't be surprised by that. We saw Sony proactively increase the price of the PlayStation 5, and David and I were talking about this sort of is this 4D chess priming us for the PlayStation 6 being more expensive like maybe matching this new price for the PS5 but I mean looking at the way that DRAM contract pricing is

continuing to ratchet up I think it could be even more than that I think would you considering would you consider delaying your console release to see if RAM is going to come down or would you just sign a fat contract for RAM and just set the price and hope it works. Like, okay, let's position you as, who am I? Am I Sony or am I Microsoft? That's why I just kind of like popped into action real quick. Am I trying to survive or am I playing from a position of strength here? Yeah, I think we have to position you as Xbox because the PlayStation answer I think is

more obvious. I think you just go with your plan, set your price as it is, blame it on RAM because it's fair and keep moving. But for Xbox, you barely even have a market. So you've got to find a way to enter it. Okay, here's my risk, though. For a little while, the Xbox Series X could still be usable because now that PlayStation's are just computers

over the four, five, six generation, where it's an AMD CPU and an AMD GPU forwards and backwards compatibility of games pretty much just comes down to, okay, not quite, but let's change the graphical fidelity knobs here and here and here. and here, and this is how it runs on this version, and this is how it runs on this one and this one, and so on and so forth, right? So it is very conceivable that we will see a PlayStation 6 launch

that goes very much like the PS5 launch did, where it was sold alongside the PS4 with the same games available for both consoles, in some cases, even with a single license, where you could just use the PS4 version of it. Like, we did this in Scrappyard Wars, my team. where I bought a PS4 version of cyberpunk, and then it entitled me to the PS5 version on my PS5. Right?

So we could see these consoles exist alongside each other for quite an extended period of time. So looking forward, PS5 and PS6 could also be just higher and lower fidelity gameplay versions of what is effectively the same kind of generation of console for the games that come out around that launch, period. That's an interesting point,

because I was also going to point out that right now, it feels like gamers almost want a different thing. They're around here, if you can find them all. But the games that people seem to be really excited about lately are like Peak, Mecha Chameleon, these like... I actually bought both of those on Steam Summer Sale. I have to play Peak with the kids. Yeah.

But it's games that are actually just fun again. Yeah. And I don't see console performance pushers pushing massive numbers right now. So that actually ties in perfectly to where I was going with this, because the way that I see it, the Xbox Series X could survive as a competitor in that market as long as Sony and as the game developers and game publishers who are targeting the PlayStation 6 are still concerned with, okay, but will it run on the PS5?

Right. So they they. So I think they will be. So they will be for some time, especially if the PS6 is a slow burn, if it sells slowly. And especially if it's just so expensive. In the current climate, people might be able to afford a game. A lot of people don't want to buy a console or a computer or anything. So Microsoft could still sell Xbox Series X during that time, but here's the challenge.

They can't just go, okay, DRAM's cheap now, press go. Right? That's not how a console launch works. they need to be developing you know triple A launch titles three years prior to launch four years prior to launch maybe even they need to be working with third party developers

around what you know their library of games is going to be for this launch so it's not like they can just turn on a dime and go okay we're going to hold hold hold steady steady okay go like it doesn't it doesn't really

work like that and so if they were to try to execute on something like that where Sony launches the PS6 and Microsoft goes, okay, no, we're going to be like a value competitor and we're going to eat them out

from the bottom. And then once we've got people back in the Xbox ecosystem and excited about Xbox again, boom, Project Helix. It's going to be, we're going to do our mic drop. $2.99.

You know, whatever. We're going to have our moment. And all those games, all those like AAA games for PS6 they're going to get ported over and we're like, it's going to be great. I just don't, I don't think it's going to work like that

and B, I don't think Microsoft Xbox gaming, whatever they're calling themselves right now, is looking like a competent enough organization to pull it off. Yeah. Yeah. That feels pretty clear. Yeah.

Hey, yo, what? From the bottom? Come on. You knew what I meant. From the bottom of the price band. Calm down, float plane, chat. You relax. Next discussion question. Because there's Quite a few in here, but they're good. What makes physical release is more important for consoles than PC, and then there's a little subnote of shout out to GOG.

I think there's a fairly obvious argument, which is like, I'll call it preserving. Preserving games on consoles is harder. Yeah. I mean, no, I don't even think you have to be all, I don't think you have to be all tricorn-hattie about it. I think that, no, I think that's very true. especially when you look at the, at how much earlier consoles engaged in the very locked down style of multiplayer,

where there was no hosted servers, everything was based on your subscription to Xbox Live or PlayStation equivalent. I can't remember what it's called. I think that, oh man, what makes them more important? Because one of the things that makes them so important is the ability to acquire them secondhand and lend them. Right. Like that's where the value is. we've looked at it. Buying games secondhand is just an outstanding freaking value compared to just about any other way of acquiring them. But I have to admit that as someone who is an adult

with a job that limits my time, right, I no longer go on Facebook marketplace and try to find a used disc. It's just not really in my vocabulary. I just will, you know, I'll, I'll put it on my wish list, wait for a Steam SummerSail, or if I'm really desperate to play it, I will just play it. And as a PC gamer for whom, you know, I went through, I went through a very frustrating experience back in the mid-2000s. I had Lord of the Rings, the Battle for Middle Earth. Great game, by the way. Like, you'd think as like an IP licensed game, you know, probably sucked or whatever. but unironically like outstanding RTS, lots of fun.

Yeah, I remember this game. Yeah, it was really fun. I somehow like, like, I don't know, water got on it or something, whatever. My CD key, my license key, got, like, obscured somehow. And I've never found a way to get it back. And so I just, like, couldn't play it anymore. And so I guess I grieved this 20 years ago.

and maybe that makes it a little bit easier for me. And so maybe that's what makes this more important for consoles than for PCs is that I saw what happened to us. I saw how the orange box you could buy it at EB Games, but what was in it? People memed on it at the time. The code. It just had a piece of paper with a code on it.

Orange box memes paper. I bet there's, wow, this like doesn't exist anymore. It's been too long. Internet does forget. Okay. I think, so, okay, there's the, it's, you know, you can definitely pirate on both, but it's easier to pirate on PC or, sorry, preserve. The other one in my mind is that consoles have more of an ability.

Is it just Steam? Is it just the fact that Steam exists? I do think. Because I was going to say, consoles have more of an ability and history of like shutting down access to things. I do think I have to be that vague. But, yeah. Good guy, Valve, and not just good guy, Valve, but.

Valves staying power, the fact that they continue to exist. Competition on the PC platform helps us out a lot. I mean, you mentioned GOG. GOG exists. Epic Games. Epic Game Store. You might not love it. You might not want it on your computer.

but it sure as heck exists. Steam exists. Does origin still exist? I don't think it's called origin anymore. EA app. EA app exists. Other marketplaces do exist, whereas on PlayStation, on Xbox. That's kind of the whole point, is that they don't exist.

With that said, I would be very interested to see what happens over time with that, because we saw where we were watching in real time what's happening with the erosion again shout out epic games here they get another mention the erosion of their ability to maintain their exclusive

app store did I say Apple already whatever yeah on so looking at what's happening on the iPhone and on Android and how the pressure is finally mounting to allow third party marketplaces on these

devices, if I was Sony or I was Microsoft, I would be watching that very intently and I would be trying to get out ahead of it, lest I be perceived as a monopoly at some point. Yeah, I'm not necessarily sure. I think in some ways PC already lost this war. I do think there are things that make it more important. I think we've seen from Nintendo them and just now from PlayStation, right? They shut down the PS3 and PSVita digital storefronts. We've seen Nintendo do the same thing in the past. I think it was like the Wii.

There was this really legendary story of Super Mario Maker. There was this... Oh, they had to beat the very last not yet beaten level or something like that. And they pulled it off like minutes or hours before it was no longer going to be accessible anymore. Yeah, like, that's, I'm happy that, like, really cool story came out of it, like, the group of people that tried to complete, like, genuinely complete every map. And then they figured out that the one map, so to submit a level to Super Mario Maker,

he had to beat it yourself. But they ended up figuring out that that one that they had such a hard time beating was tasked, so tool assisted. Yeah. So it wasn't an actual person who played it. But then a real human actually did end up beating it before the timer was up. which is just so sick. Like, that's cool, but the environment around it sucked.

The environment around it was people weren't going to be able to play these games anymore, I think, or at least not add new levels or something. I think it was that it was no longer going to keep track of... Sure. Something was substantially changing. And I think largely because of Steam-Stang power, a lot of that hasn't been on the platform level on PC. It has been on the individual game or publisher level.

We've seen Ubisoft do this. We've seen EA do this. We've seen big groups do this. MMOs, I mean, PC players were the first to lose entire games that not only had they bought. Like, this is a crazy thing. MMOs, you used to buy the game and it only came with like a month of access. So not only did you buy the game, but you would pay years of subscription potentially. And then you would pour hours of your life into it.

And then it would just be gone. You just can't log in anymore. Your character's gone. Your armor's gone. Your achievements are gone. Everything's gone. Goodbye. So did we just like, did we grieve it already?

Is that? I don't know. And like there's weird things like, I don't know the full story there. But didn't, uh, go? Didn't something super weird happen to go? Go? Like, like the ancient. Oh, that go.

Sorry, I should have given a lot more information than I did. The board came? Yeah. From like ancient times? My bad. I thought like, um, didn't they like overwrite source or something? Oh, I can't,

I can't remember what happened with CSGO. I don't, I'm not a CS person, so I don't, well, anymore, so I don't really know. Upgrade. Yeah, that's not fair. CSGO was kept as a CS2 beta and is now a separated game as well.

Okay. So they have like, maybe fixed it. Okay. CS Pro was basically updated to CS2. Yes, yeah, that's what you're thinking of. Oh, CS2. I forgot CS2 even existed.

I thought Go was the new one. You need to stop touching grass. I mean, none of it's going to matter because Condition Zero is coming next year, right? So. Hey, let's go. Shout out CounterStrike Condition Zero. There's something no one played or her.

I mean I still have I think I still have a box that has like an ad for condition zero on it or something Nice more like sales zero yeah, got them but yeah I think there's like PC is not without its flaws in this arena No not at all. I think they're not as maybe brutal and not as fresh yeah But we've we've already lost a lot of those battles Our next question here is what's gonna differentiate consoles from people in the future. And this is a big question mark for me. I mean, okay, okay, let's, you know, let's go back. Let's go back generations, right? Let's go back to when I was a kid. You got the nest, you got the SNAS. What differentiates

consoles from PCs? Well, how about the fact that, like, you can go from not playing video games to playing video games in like five seconds. Yeah. A kid can do it. And also, that's the, literally the only way physically and softwarely to play that game. Okay, there, that differentiates it. Okay, so we move on to, you know, N64 game Q. You know what, don't forget, forget Nintendo. Okay, we move on to the PlayStation, right? So now, well, piracy made the PlayStation dirt freaking cheap for, you know, your college-age

students, your high school-age students. Big time. The graphics, what you could get in terms of, like, man, the PlayStation looked so good. You'd probably spend less on an entire PlayStation than you would spend on just the graphics card

to put in your computer that you had to have and computers were flipping expensive not everybody even like had them yet at that point most people had a family computer but not everyone. Like it was a different time guys

it was a different freaking time okay so way better graphics. A lot of the family computers were not playing games like that. Yeah. Yeah like it wouldn't be gaming You're having fun in paint and space pinball. Like, it's not...

Yeah, dog. Yeah. Okay. So you had the enormous game library that could be like fairly easily pirated if you knew someone with a CD burner. And then just, you know, unassailable graphics. And the price. The price. The PS1 was what?

$300. PS1 price. Uh, no, no, no. Launch. Price at launch. Yeah, $2.99. That was it. Okay.

So we fast forward to. you know the PS3. The PS3 was a very compelling value. It was the best, it was like the cheapest Blu-ray player you could get. Oh, and this was true of the PS2 as well. So it was the cheapest DVD player you could get

and it played a bunch of video games and then the PS3 did the same thing. Cheapest Blu-ray player and it played video games. It's like, yeah, I wonder why these were successful and they were sitting in everyone's living room. PlayStation 4. Once again, Sony went back to basics. Okay, $4.99, yeah, it's a higher price,

but like, you know, inflation and whatnot and all of that. And like really, really good performance for the money still. Like, we tried to build a PS4 killer back in the day. And we found that it just plain with brand new hardware was not possible. You couldn't build a PC system no matter what you used. I mean, even the PS5 as recently as like a couple of months ago, without resorting to secondhand hardware, you could not build a competitive PC for that price.

So it's always been kind of the same story, no matter how far back you go. You've got really compelling performance per dollar and exclusive games. And or killer features that are added on in order to increase the overall value of the package. Oh yeah, right. And as recently as the PS5, the ability to buy disc games and freely lend them and resell them. So now what? we've got Project Helix and PS6, which are rumored to be like a thousand plus dollars. Even today, if you give me a thousand dollar budget, I can build a pretty decent PC.

Yeah, and adjusted for inflation, the PS1 would have been like $650. Yeah. So, okay, you're not going to have like just the, you know, the price point anymore. Okay, you're not going to have discs. Now you've got these lockdown game marketplaces that I am. beholden to their blessing of when I can have a good price on something. Okay, so that, that blows chunks. You've got locked down peripheral compatibility.

In a world where SteamOS exists, and I can plug in any controller I want, and Windows also exists and is still like a single PowerShell command to pirate, I don't know why I accept that I have to use a certified peripheral in this day and age. you've still got your exclusive titles and I think this is a big part of why we're seeing Sony Pivot because I think they recognize that there is absolutely nothing else.

What else could possibly compel someone to buy a PS6 if it isn't Sony exclusive titles which Nintendo figured out forever ago and never unfigured out and just continued to only publish on their own platforms which is why the Switch 2 for all the meming on it about having a crappy screen

or being overpriced or also being raising its price or whatever is selling great. So you see it, do you hear it's like the second best start for a Nintendo console? I'm not too surprised about that. I'm also not too surprised that it didn't keep going super well, if that makes sense. It's still going well as far as my saying it goes. Six days ago, Nintendo Switch 2 becomes the second fastest selling console in U.S. history after its first year. Yeah.

I just feel like most people are probably playing Switch 1 games on it for a lot of their gameplay. Sure. Why not? I mean, I enjoy playing Switch 1 games that, you know, better fidelity for like an extra $10 or $15 or whatever it was. If you never upgraded, so if you had the Switch 1 the whole time and you never upgraded to like an OLED or whatever the other little things are. Yeah. Yeah. anyway. If you never upgraded and stuff and so your refresh was what

like seven years or something I don't know how long it's supposed to see the original seven or eight years or something like that. That's not too bad realistically to gain the jump in performance and everything else. Yep.

And then it's very portable. It offers it, oh, that's another thing. Right? So that's another thing that the PlayStation 6 and Project Helix won't do is they won't offer

a different enough gaming experience to switch to I can take with me. Yeah. I can undock my one controller and I can use it as two crappier controllers while I'm on an airplane. My PS6 won't do that. Play with a buddy or whatever else.

Exactly. Yeah. So, I don't know. Speaking of Nintendo, speaking of Nintendo, one of the lines on here, I think we might be jumping a couple, but I think it's relevant right now,

is how good does the Switch 2 at $450 US, soon to be $500 US, look these days. What do you think of their game cart a game key cart situation I have to admit that I didn't pay

as close attention to the game key cart situation as maybe I should have so the last thing I want to do is take a firm stance on it when frankly I just don't really understand it that well from what I understand

and chat help me out here okay the controversy is that there's no actual data on the cart. You can't play off of it. Yes. But in the same way that it always has been, that cart is still a license for the game. So I can still give it to you. You can sell it.

You can lend it. I like those things. Then I don't give a fuck. I still do. Because it still requires a download, what if Nintendo shuts the Switch store down? because the Nintendo box is out and now they have the box store or whatever.

Now I can't download my game for some freaking reason. I forget what prominent person said this earlier this week, but they said it very well. The best hope for game preservation is and probably always will be piracy. Piracy. So I'm not concerned about that because somebody will crack the encryption and that game will always exist.

Okay, sorry. Unique username said, so you'd rather be stuck with a crappy pre-alpha quality build? No, because I'd rather download the update, but if I can't, I'd like to be able to play the game. That does not mean I'd rather be stuck with it. You've had, you've had like put the disc in, update the game since like the mid-2000s. Like, that's not when everything was physical games. And that's why I guess I don't really care as much about the cart-gee. I still want to be able to put. possibly launch it. That's the thing for me. But they could block you anyway. Like if they really, if they really wanted to fuck you, then

they could, like, I mean, it's Nintendo, right? Yeah, I just, buy a new one. Buy it on the new console. We're turning them all off. It seems like not a completely unfair straw man argument, but like a little bit of one,

if that makes sense. Because that's another step. I see where you're going. So, okay. Hold on, hold on. No, no. I'm not going at something quite that unrealistic, though. I'm talking the console has a way new firmware update, and that old version of the game just like doesn't run. That's what I mean. I don't even mean intentionally. No, okay, that makes more sense. That's what I'm saying, like, it's not that unreasonable.

You could be locked into a game won't launch situation if you have a, like, grossly outdated game and you can't download the update, regardless of, you know, Nintendo's intent. And so for that reason, I just, we're beholden to them anyway. I've been pretty okay with game key carts, which is one of the reasons why I buy them. I don't think I've bought any digital games on my Switch. I have a bunch of carts. Right. I wish the game was on it, but I'm not like raising hell over it. Sure. I do really like that I can, and have done, I do really like that I can pass carts to people and let them play my games. That's very cool. That is worth it for me. I will basically only buy physical carts.

It's also an excuse to get things from Willow or buy the cool, you know, Japanese Pocopia or do whatever else. I like the experience. I like having physical media. I think it's cool. I get, I get not, I'm not going to say negative, but I get not a positive feeling scrolling through my Steam library. It's fun to go through game cards.

Like I have a kill switch. I have a kill switch case for my switch. when I take the top off and it has all the games mounted under the lid and I'm like going through trying to think what I want to play that's kind of cool

I get I get like oh nice I get to like sit and play switch now cool what do I get to check out I never have that particular experience sitting down with Steam I find big pictures better that way that could make sense it's better like I have very little experience

with big picture I ran into something really frustrating was this earlier today this might have been earlier today because I I bought a game and I was trying to tell someone which game I bought and I couldn't remember

and maybe you can help me because maybe I'm an idiot but I couldn't figure out how to sort my games list here by recently purchased. I have this problem very recently. Okay, very, very recently. So then I jump into big picture.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, shut up. I jump into big picture. I go to my library now and it's as simple as press why to sort by and datadet to library and it's right there and I was like

oh yeah it's Alabaster Dawn Radical Fish's new game which I have not been paid to endorse and have not even so much as opened yet but given that Radical Fish is incredible

and already made like one of my favorite games of all time crosscode I would happily give them another $25 and 49 cents Canadian just for having made crosscode and by the way

this looks fucking awesome and I can't wait to play it. Oh dude. Yeah. Major cross-code vibes. So I was trying to, so I was trying to, it was my son actually. This was last night now I remember. So I was trying to be like, yeah, I bought this new game. I bloody hell, what one was it?

And I couldn't find a way to sort the damn thing. Yeah, I don't know. I just thought I was kind of stupid. I had that problem recently. Just about the filter, there's a sort by recent activity. Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. It's not activity, though. I haven't launched the game yet.

So I sorted it by recent activity and could not find the game that I had just purchased. So like, yeah, I don't know. Oh my God. No key. Of course. Says, on normal Steam, the only way as far as I know, this is pathetic, is to go to account details, view licenses product keys, and it's sorted by day of purchase in the form of a list. Yeah. So like, what's going on?

Come on! What happened? Did they just like accidentally disable a thing or something? I don't know, but AI hallucinated a way for me to do it in the desktop interface, which made my life even more difficult because I was trying to follow along with hallucinated instructions. Oh, that's funny. So annoying. Another thing I would like is, like, let's see here,

Skiv and Tarkov does not play on Linux. I know that, and it's on the front page, so it's easy. should I be going to your screen? Sure. I just, I had this recently where I was looking at something. Oh, I saw Marathon was on sale. Do you want a full screen your Steam interface just so it doesn't look so messy? Sure. I don't know if it's going to be up here.

Yeah, whatever. I'm just going to keep using Targov because I know Targov doesn't work. But this is also Windows, it wouldn't show up anywhere. But you know how you can sort your games? Like if I go to my library, and again, it's not going to be here because I'm on Windows. But there's usually a little penguin eye. icon and you can click it and then it'll only show games that work on Linux. Yep.

I don't know necessarily what the threshold for that is, but sure, why not? It would be pretty cool if when I'm in the store, and maybe it's here and I just couldn't find it. But it'd be pretty cool if when I'm in the store, it would show the proton DB rating and have a link to ProtonDB for it. So I could click on it. So if it's like gold, I could click on it and see why it's not platinum or whatever. Oh, that'll be pretty neat.

While we're coming up with wish list features, I love yours. the way, that's really good. Can we make it so that when I look at a game in my library, so here, let's go with Alabaster Dawn, okay? Why does this page look like but? And why is it that none of these other tabs here are not but? Why is it that if I want to see the not but version of this game's information, where there's like cool trailers and cool artwork and stuff,

I have to go to store page, wait for that to load. And then all the cool, like, information about it. I think. Like, how many players it supports, and if it's local multiplayer and, like, all this interesting stuff only shows up on the store page. I think this is actually genuinely one of the reasons why I said, like, looking through the Steam Library is just kind of, eh. Because you click on stuff, you click on. This is so unexciting. Yeah.

This does not make me excited to play the game. Why do you only care about exciting me when I'm on the screen? store page. Yeah. This is so much prettier and better. Yeah. Like if I want to access like reviews and stuff, what if I want to look at the reviews of a game I bought?

Why is that not just here? There's also like, and, you know, I can't be the only person watching this that does this. The summer sale's on right now, right? Steam has had incredibly legendary sales for many, many years. I remember when they first started doing things like the summer sale, yes, I'm that old. How insanely exciting they were and how much. disgusting amounts of money I spent on it. There are a bunch of games I'll find during one of these sales through, you know,

super deep discounts or going through the like discovery queue or whatever else. And I'm like, oh, wow, yeah, that actually looks really cool. And it's like pretty good rating. I'll pick that up and I'll pick up like three or four different games and then not have time to play them and then see them in my Steam list like a year later. And not even remember why you were excited for it. And I just see the title. I don't even remember what kind of game it is.

I don't remember if it's a shooter. I remember if it's an RTS. I don't remember if I bought it because it's a co-op game. I don't... I basically just have to go to the store. Okay. Hold on. Someone in Onahikad, sure, however I pronounce that,

in Floopplane Chat says you can click this little info thing here and it gives you some information like full controller support and the developers, Radical Fish Games. But then if you click another game, it goes away. You have to click that every time.

It also helps a little bit, but I'd still just rather go to the store page. Why is it that random patch notes seem more important than... I have maybe read one of those patch notes probably less than five times in my life. With that said, once again, Big Picture is better for this.

So this may be the kind of thing where Luke, you just need to... Use Big Picture more. Join the current year and use Big Picture more. Is that a thing? Although even this... No, no, actually this is just as bad. So this needs to be fair.

where it's just like, yeah, Boca Bola added Far Cry 4 to their library. Who cares? Who even is that guy? You know what would be a lot better than this? You know what would be a lot better than that, in my opinion? Is a friends recently active? Like, in this particular game, I think that would be really cool. Yeah, we have played previously and we have on their wish list.

Played previously doesn't, to me, mean like anything. Top right of the game. played recently with an hours count normally just under the bottom right of the top banner they can't see what we're seeing right now I can't see what you're seeing either I don't know you're talking about I don't see anything Okay

But oh only if someone played it recently Yeah no that that one's a thing I think But anyway I just I want the game page to be a little bit more exciting And feel a little bit more like Where's the box art You know where's the where's the concept artwork? Where's the sales pitch?

Sell me on the game that's in my library. And I do wonder if that's intentional to a degree. I mean, why would Valve want you to play something that's already in your library? They'd much rather you play something that's in the store and go buy a new one. Makes sense. I mean, I like to think that in general...

Valve doesn't seem super... It seems like it's usually apathy rather than... Malice. I will give them the, you know, the credit here. Penit of the doubt? Yeah, that's probably not what they're doing. I just, I don't it.

Man, this Steam account, oh, it's Lounge Four. Why are you logged into Steam on that? I don't, it's not, it's not mean. When we did the tape to tape. Oh. That's why you got steams on them. Makes sense. Yeah, I launched Steam and I was expecting to log into myself

and it was already logged into something. I was like, what the heck? Cool. All right. Jump into another topic. You want to pick one? That was a... That was a high protein topic.

We can get into talking about stuff like that. A lot of meat on it. Yeah. Monk Deasy said, I do like the recommended by friends feature. That's been really nice to see my friends. Yeah, I've noticed that Mr. David G. Does actually review things on Steam. He's a big part of the...

I never actually talked to him about it directly. I heard you after the fact said that he liked it. but I saw him review 007 first light on Steam and he was quite positive about it and I was like gave it super positive about a shooter I will try the shooter

I might as well just buy it yeah so I did and it's been great so I like that part there's tons about steam that I really like there's just you know just like everything on the planet I think there's ways it could be better just like anything we love we tend to

be very passionate about yeah which can come out really positively and can also come out really negatively. Yeah. Speaking of things that can be positive or negative, Valve dropped the D-brand steam machine companion cube case down the legal incinerator after its makers neglected to get their permission. D-brand has canceled its portal-themed companion cube case,

refunding every buyer for one simple reason. It just never asked Valve for permission to use the IP. The case launched June 20th. second became D-brand's second fastest selling product ever behind only its switch two case. And then Valve's legal team reached out to point out that the companion cube is Valve's intellectual property and D-Brand had no license. D-brand took it all down, appealed to Valve for an official license and got a no, which probably shouldn't be way too surprising. What makes this wild is how much D-brand sank into it before checking.

The company says it put a whole 1,000 hours into engineering. built 44 sets of injection molding tools. That's expensive. That is expensive. That's probably worse than the thousand hours. I would not be surprised if those two things combined got into the seven-figure range. Just from the context that I have from, you know, having a company that makes physical goods with injection molding. That's pretty good context.

That's fucking nuts. It's a pretty good context. They redesigned the whole thing from scratch. Redesigned it. Oh, more than once to get the console to cradle perfectly, and even rented out a university campus to film the launch video. The D-brand's credit, they owned it completely, saying Valve didn't do anything wrong here.

That's a real change in tone for them. Back in 2021, they make the dark plates. Oh, I remember this. Replacement backplates for the PS5, an openly baited Sony with a go-ahead Sue us on the product page. Sony sent a cease and desist over the faceplate design and its knockoff PlayStation button symbols and D-brand fired back by Sony

by calling Sony terrorists before pulling the plates and quickly re-releasing a tweaked version a full apology to Valve is a very different D-brand than that one. I don't agree, actually. I think that, I think I see where you're going with this, but let's let's let them cook.

If they just made a case for the steam machine, I don't think it would be a problem. The problem is that they vary, very specifically made it look like the companion cube. Even the PlayStation symbols, I mean they're X's and circles and stuff. Like,

they might have been able to try to get away with it. I think if you go to a court, the court's can be like, bruh, it's on the controllers. You didn't use any ones other than the four that are on the controller. So they might have still lost, but I'm also not surprised

that they pivoted to plates that they could sell. But yeah, this is just very specifically, I don't know. It's like if someone made a like holster for the LTT screwdriver and you're like okay that's neat but then they like put your logo on it and then it's like okay now now we're now we're in trouble now it's like kind of weird or not even that put like your face on it or or i'm trying to think of something that's owned by the

ip made a launch video in the style of an LTT video even that i think you just kind of think it's funny it depends okay it depends Did you watch the launch video for the companion cube case? No. It was very... Like, I'm pretty sure there was like a not modified aperture science logo in it. Yeah, see, that kind of stuff. That's the stuff where it's just become a problem.

Like, the PlayStation one, it was a problem because of the symbols. The tone was very portally, and like, there was a character, Dave Johnson, explicitly, not to be confused with Cave Johnson, like a lot of... and and the kind of the plot for it was that um aperture science had been acquired by dbrand so now we're getting into like potential like canon narrative if this is an official product like you can make uh you can make a third party accessory for a ford f150 sure if you put Ford's IP on it. No.

It might become a problem unless you get it licensed. Now it's trouble. But you can make the accessory. Um, it doesn't, it doesn't, I understand what the writer's saying here. The whole thing makes me sad more than anything else, I think.

Because it would have, it just would have been cool. It would have been cool. I mean, I got mine. So. Allegedly. I mean,

I'm on camera with it. Oh, but you totally incinerated it. Yes. Yeah. No, I said I got it. I didn't say I kept it.

Right. That makes sense. So, you know, I at least got to experience it. And that makes me sad that this product doesn't get to exist. And I think that Dbrand is very right to accept the blame for not seeking permission to make it. But that doesn't change that the outcome for me is sad. Yeah. And I would have liked to see a different outcome. I also, I mean, I,

I understand, but I would have liked a different outcome, and I think that a lot of people would have liked a different outcome. And what I am hoping, more than anything else, is that this isn't the end of the story. I hope that, you know, someday, you know, D-brand could really get into making licensed products because they've got the quality, they've got the execution, they've got the distribution. They've got their finger on the pulse of, you know,

what gamers and enthusiasts want. And so, you know, if this was the like hard slap on the wrist that it took for them to kind of go, okay, hold on a second. Look how well that was going to sell. Yeah. The information from this is very valuable. How could we do this differently and crush it? Right.

Well, then maybe that's, maybe that's the best possible outcome from this. I, um, I don't know, man, Valve's a weird company. Because like, from my, from my point of view, you know, I might have looked at it and gone, well, yeah, I mean, okay, just, it's give me a cut of the, like, you know, however many dollars that you're making and, you know, fine, let's do it. Why waste? waste not want not. I might also have a hard time partnering with certain companies because of their prickly external

persona. They might like, I could see a certain, I don't know if Valve would really care, but I could see some companies not wanting to associate with a brand through official licensing who's going to say FU to customers on social platforms. Man, I would hate for them to kind of lose their, the chip on their shoulder over this. But then also, I think losing the chip. on your shoulders as part of growing up. I mean, I said stuff on Wandshow 10 years ago,

I wouldn't say today. No, I mean, you know that's true. Yeah. It doesn't, like, it doesn't mean that, you know, what I said then was not, you know, valid and, you know, how I felt at the time, but I was, I was late 20s instead of late 30s.

I'm still allowed to say late 30s, right? A little bit longer. Currently legally acceptable. All right, cool. 10 years is just it's a long time right yeah swapped persona dbrand where they turn into like rebrands like oh wow oh wow that's a really good name for it the brand licensed products being called rebrand is like actually pretty sick I like that.

Anyway, I'm sorry for this outcome. I know a lot of people really wanted it and were really excited about it. It was one of the most exciting things about the steam machine for me at launch. Now I'm more excited about the steam machine. Man, I've been enjoying the crap out of my week with it. Do I get to do another, I'm talking about the steam machine again?

Yeah, sure. I have a little thing I want to add after that, so you go for it first. Where's my steam machine notes? Actually, I don't even have my dock open on this computer because even though this is my portable computer and therefore it's the one that I can bring with me to set, I haven't been using it. I have been carrying the steam machine between home and the office. Jaden, when he was working in office, for a very, we didn't have like computers we could give him at that point in time.

So he just unironically used his steam deck for development and at work and at home. He would just dock it when he was at home. He'd dock it when it was at work and used it for software development for quite a while. Like unironically. Float plane built on steam deck. Yeah. We're crazy. For a bit.

We're Linus Media Group. How did we not have any computers? It was like it was laptops or something. I don't remember what it was. I don't remember what the deal. This was quite a while ago at this point. Like years. Okay.

I don't like it. Maybe it was monitors was the problem. We have always had a shortage of monitors. At least in my entire time I've been here. I don't remember what the actual issue was, but there was some reason where it actually did make sense for him to work on his steam deck. Anywho, overall, I still love it. But the honeymoon period is definitely coming to a close.

I was trying to copy files off of an iPhone recently. and massive credit kDE connect very cool anyone ever tried to transfer 200 video clips over kde connect okay well doesn't work what happened nothing closes oh just dies um and so i kind of went oh my god

because on apple and this is on apple their interface sucks for selecting the photos that you want Like there's no obvious way to batch it so you can like do a few. And then I resorted to taking a screenshot of where I left off with what I had selected for the last batch so that I could continue selecting for the next batch. That just sucked and was slow. So I started with like 20 at a time and it was working. And then I went up to I think 45 and it got as far as transferred 35 out of 45 and then just. closed

no indication of like other than manually reading the file names on my computer and then the thumbnails are obviously a little different because why would they be the same and then having to like check the detailed thing on the phone to try to match up which ones went

and which ones it's 200 plus files it's not practical so I eventually gave up and used a Windows computer Android works fine it's actually great but the iPhone in

KDE is apparently just not a thing. At least not on SteamOS. So that was a downer. I man, what else did I discover? It was, uh, okay, blah, blah, blah.

Oh, oh dude, tail scale. With an AI guide took me like 40 seconds to set up. Dude, having access to, So, like, once I had the files on the computer, or like, I copied these to Windows machine to copy them from my iPhone to my NAS. And then I was like, okay, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to go easy on my Steam machine, because I could have just used Tailscale to copy it from my Windows machine to our network storage here. But I was like, no, I'm going to do that on the Steam machine.

Dude, so fast, so easy. Just the network location, mounted, done, good to go. Freaking awesome. Oh Nah The The process of downloading Zipped files off of Google Drive

And then trying to do anything with them Is absolute dog poo Yeah Not sure why But also uploading sucks You can't just drag and drop Yeah you can't Oh

You can go in Google Drive And you can go upload file And then you can select files And you can upload them but just dragging and dropping them, no dice. I'm going to say I've drag dropped, but I'm not technically on the same thing. Yeah.

But my GoXLR worked flawlessly out of the box. And when you compare that to the current Windows experience, where there's like a GitHub repo that has some mismatched version, like I was not able to get my GoXLR mini working on a brand new installation on a laptop recently. I spent like an hour at it. and I kept having it, like it was detecting a different firmware version for both the GoXLR app and then the GoXLR control panel, both of which, as far as I can tell, you need. So while it still works perfectly on my old machine that has everything set up with my full-size Go-XLR, I could not get the mini working on a new machine, and there was no obvious step-by-step resources that I was able to use.

And it doesn't help that that mini had been sitting for like two or three years. so it was on old firmware that I think I then updated maybe too far on one of them and I can't get it matching anymore I don't know what happened but meanwhile the GoXLR just worked on SteamOS which was pretty cool so yeah I'm definitely

running into some bumps but also it's just comfortable for the most part for the most part it's really good I'm really enjoying using it Is it time for my quick aside topic? Yeah.

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Even less if it's in the U.S. 80% off, over-enwhelmingly positive, 95,000 reviews. Buy the game. Wow. Now is the time. To buy it. Now is the time. Check it out.

I thought you were transitioning into another topic or... For those who are watching along, it's Titanfall 2. I don't know if you ever actually said that, or listening along. It's Titanfall 2. Yeah. I don't know if he ever actually said that. It is really great. It's fantastic.

For $6. For $6 U.S. dollars, you should just buy it and play it. It's Canadian. Oh, sorry, $4 U.S. dollars. Yeah. And the system requirements are pretty modest these days. Yeah, it came out in 2016. It still looks pretty good, though.

Oh, it looks fine. Yeah. It looks acceptably fine. It's kind of like how, yeah, that's fair. How, like, 2016-era movie CGI was also like... It's fine. If they put the budget into it, it was good enough.

You could totally still watch it today. You know what, actually, is it holding up really well? One of my kids has a really tough time with emotional moments in movies. She's just a, she's very empathetic. Yeah, sure. Yeah, definitely very empathetic creature. And so for a long time, she's avoided intense movies. And then we visited Universal Studios in,

was it in Japan a while back? I don't know. Whatever the one that has a Jurassic Park ride where you like hang out of the thing and she was like super proud of herself for being like, for like riding this like pretty scary coaster and I was like,

I told her at the time, it was just like an offhand comment. I was like, man, if you can handle Jurassic Park the ride, you can definitely handle Jurassic Park the movie, even though I know generally you find movies scary. And she was on this like high of like having done it that she was like yeah I want to watch Jurassic Park

and so I hadn't gotten around to it this was like a while back and so we finally started watching it together as a family the other night it's kind of my laundry folding routine I can I can excuse passive entertainment as long as I'm folding laundry so

so yeah it would have been on Wednesday night I guess I was doing laundry so anyway we flipped on Jurassic Park and dude it holds up pretty well I was like, I was pretty impressed with, 1994, man. Yeah. 94. Yeah.

Anyway, I don't know where I was going with that. And some of the animatronic stuff when they put a lot of work into it. 93, 93. Super good. Yeah. Like, dude, the, the egg hatching, like obviously as a, you know, grown adult, like, I'm looking at it going, oh, that's a cute little, you know, puppet or whatever. But, like, for the kids, it wasn't immersion breaking.

and that's the line, right? Like, you could have modern CGI that's just like, it's not believable and it breaks your immersion, or you can have like old robots or makeup or whatever it is. There's always a line where it's like, I know it's special effects,

but I can keep my suspension of disbelief versus like, oh my God, that's made of cardboard. You know, like, come on. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Anyway, really enjoying the heck out of it. And if you need something,

you'll enjoy the heck out of what now I was just making a meme about Titanfall too okay yes yeah speaking of not enjoying things I guess

Netflix now requires every user profile to be tied to a unique email address profile not account user profile

Netflix is now requiring nearly every profile on an account to have its own unique email address and separate login a permanent change a Netflix spokesperson

confirmed started rolling out June 15th. Kids profiles are the only exception. This turns what used to be simple profile slots up to five under one login. It does something much closer to individual user accounts. It's still rolling out gradually, so not everyone has been

prompted yet. Netflix frames it as a convenience. That's a tough jump. And security upgrade. Okay. Your own login means easier sign on on new devices, independent account recovery, two-factor authentication, and settings like language and playback tied to you instead

of the account holder. Critics see it differently. Tying each profile to an identifiable email is the next logical step in the password sharing crackdown that started in 2022, since it makes casual sharing across households harder and gives Netflix cleaner per user data for its ad-supported tier. That's the one. Netflix's own privacy policy notes email addresses may be shared with marketing and advertising partners. Nice. Cool. For now there's a workaround. Users report, you can go into account settings into the security section and turn off feature testing. Okay, that's a temporary solution. Oh yeah. To remove the prompt, at least until Netflix makes it mandatory. It also breaks a less common use case. People who set up multiple profiles to organize

content by genre rather than by person now have to tie each junk profile to a real email. the real email part doesn't bother me too much you can spin up a Gmail and 17 seconds flat these days and with password managers just slap that email into the password manager and then forget about it but that is this is obviously you know along the path to worst things yeah i mean it's it's all about the login sharing crackdown as far as i can tell yes i think that the extra user data and extra email addresses is kind of a happy accident. Not fully. I mean, I'm sure they've figured out that that's going to be good,

but I suspect the main impetus for this is, you know, hey, now grandpa can have his own email address and account so that when it's time for him to log in, you don't have to share your email address and your password with him. Isn't that good? If we all just stopped sharing our email addresses and passwords, which actually is a good thing, for us to not share email addresses and passwords.

It's just that clearly... Security for your Netflix account? Like, I'm not that word, but also, now instead of just being able to share your email and password when grandpa forgets, you're now going to have to try to figure out what the heck his password is when he calls you anyways and tries to get you to help him log into his thing and he's changed his password and you can't find it anywhere because he refuses to use the password manager properly and you want to pull your darn hair out.

So I actually don't think this is more convenient. I think there's going to be more deep annoyance. like that. Even the like, oh, everyone has independent email recovery, account recovery thing now. It's like, is that, sorry, is that helpful? Was that required in the past? No, because you didn't have independent accounts for things. So, like, I don't even see that as a benefit.

I see that as a required new feature for the thing that they're pushing. It's just how the system works. If you have independent logins, you're going to have independent recoveries. Like, what are we even talking about? it's not better anyways sorry no i'm enjoying the energy anyways

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Yeah. A woman surprised when flock surveillance tower appears in her yard without warning. Yes. A Virginia woman came home to find a flocked surveillance slash gunshot detection device suddenly installed on her property with no warning or notice from the city. Even the responding police officer wasn't sure what it was at first, having to physically inspect it before realizing it was part of a city approved rollout of gunshot detection tech.

What a thing. The big issue is that the device wasn't on the approved install list. So residents are now worried about surprise, unannounced surveillance popping up in residential areas. And one of the reasons why I wanted to talk about this is the flock security thing has been an ongoing topic on Wancho for a while and of large concern for people who have them installed near them. And I just think it's funny and interesting how the community is responding to them. Because there's, I don't know anything about this, these guys, blah, blah, but there's sites like anti-flock that I've scene show up, which is a public Mac, a map of flock safety, ALPR cameras, anti-flock

catalogs, and automatically licensed plate readers spotted in public, built on open street map and community submissions. Find a camera we don't have. We'll pay you in crypto. Wow. And there's other similar bounty systems for flock cameras out there. And it's interesting. like this you know we've talked at length for many years on the show about like appropriate

uses of cryptocurrency this seems like a prime use of cryptocurrency awesome actually it seems really awesome and like I remember there was some really interesting stuff in Ukraine when the Ukrainian currency got all whack when when Russia first invaded and those people who were like trying to buy cars and stuff in order to escape and they were using crypto and that was like oh wow like okay and actually interesting use for crypto um but this seems like you've talked about your brother-in-law oh with his like drone mapping company yeah yeah that's my brother that's pretty cool this is a pretty interesting solution um yeah it's uh it's interesting it's very interesting but yeah i think there's there's probably a reason why people want um

a map of where they all are. And I think there's people taking actionables based on the map to a certain degree. So maybe submit new cameras to the map if you find it. Just an idea. Oh, wow. Man, there's such interesting things, man. This is wild. Flock hopper.

So you can see where all the flock cameras are. And then if I read the short description properly, you can use this to map yourself to places while avoiding the flock cameras? No way. But you're telling Flock Hopper where you're going. Yeah, which, you know, maybe

who knows who there. Is this a honeypot? I mean, it might be. Open Street Map powered again. But yeah, you are telling the way you're going. I'm going from the Seattle Convention Center. Sure. I'm SFO.

Sure. Let's go to SFO. To SFO. Yeah, we're going to go down to California. down California way. Okay. Avoidance settings. Remember distance.

Go there. Sure. Oh, exceeds maximum. Hmm. Routes longer than 300 miles are not supported. Straight line distance is 690 miles, but routes longer than 300 miles are supported. Okay.

Okay. So you could just go to, I don't know, Microsoft headquarters. Hmm. what? Aren't they in Seattle? They are in Redmond. I feel like that should be close enough.

There we go. Okay, direct route. No. Because it's not just flock. So I think that's what flock cameras are, is these ALPR cameras. Right. So they're detecting theoretically all the different kinds.

Direct privacy. Interesting. Oh wait, what's the privacy one? So I think a direct route. So basically this is the most direct route and there aren't any flaw cameras. Got it. But if there was a direct route that might have a few cameras or a privacy route, you could decide between the two. It's on iOS.

It's interesting. There's all this like infrastructure popping up around the fact that these cameras exist. That's been the fascinating part of the story for me. And like the craziest part of all of this is I feel like the kinds of people that are going to to get caught then in what they're doing are going to be the ones that are either like in many cases just like too dumb to use these tools like you're not going to you're not going to spot someone who who plans their crime if that's if that's the justification for all of this surveillance with that said man i mean i've watched enough true crime stuff to see that a lot of criminals are

pretty I'm yeah pretty incompetent yeah like the number of people that just take their cell phone with them to murder somebody is like

mind blowing to me it's no I agree yeah yep we've talked about that a bit there's someone in chat said there's a your city is voting on these soon tracker that's I haven't I didn't find it

but that's interesting oh that's pretty cool there's there's just there's a ton of stuff i just find it very interesting you know what i find interesting creator warehouse announcements um no new announcements this week FP announcements then thanks if it flows well

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Hello, LLD. How often does your distributor get audited? Crossing my fingers for getting the correct size on my second replacement garment. I think they do annual inventory audits, but as far as like, you know, what you're asking, I think you're asking, like, how often do we, like, check in on them? And it's very, very regularly,

there's just been a lot of flux over the last year with various tariffs and logistical challenges and people have been a lot busier working on mitigating dumb bullshit and had a lot less time for just doing their normal jobs and making everything run smoother. These things don't happen very often, but when they do, it's obviously very high profile and very embarrassing. What's more likely than anything else is like a master carton of that garment got mislabeled in the wrong size. And it was not properly investigated after the first return.

And so it just, the exact same error was made again. It doesn't, our ship accuracy is actually not that bad. Like, we do track this stuff internally. And it's like very good. But that doesn't mean anything to the 0.1% of people who get the wrong thing. I get that. But we got you. You know, we'll get you taken care of.

Thank you for your patience. Hi, STD, short, tall, and dead. Shooting a bit of whimsy your way. If adventure was a color, what would that color be for each of you? And why? You guys are the best, wishing you an awesome weekend. If adventure was a color. I'm going to say forest green.

It says wilderness to me. Okay. Yeah. Wilderness. Like I like like like that like pine needle green, you know, that almost has like a smell to it. You know, pine. Yeah, I'm going to go with pine. You tend to adventure in the forest?

You just asked, you know, what color would be? I could. Could I not? I could. I feel like you don't prefer those adventures. I mean, what adventure would I prefer, sir? I assume an adventure is outdoors. so that rules out a lot of adventure for me in terms of what I would choose to do if left to my own devices.

Fair. I'm with red. I'm a huge fan of type two fun. And red is like a little agro and type two fun is usually pretty agro when you're in the middle of it. Nice. Okay. Similar vein to Luke.

I'm going with like free range egg yolk orange. a little bit more on the warm side of things. It just kind of screams like, I have to wear clothing that I can be seen from a helicopter in. That's when you know it's going to be good. Yeah. Maybe that's type 3 fun when you end up in the hospital. When you wear the bright colored backpack,

not because you're trying to be like stealthy and cool and camo, but because you're like, oh, dude, gosh. I will break my leg. I hope someone finds me. With a blinking light. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. when it's like, nice, we're doing good.

Yeah. Yeah. Some people are wondering, so I found this helpful graphic from semi-rad.com. Oh, yeah, type three. Yeah, type two is the way to go. Miserable when it's happening, fun in retrospect. All right. Cool.

Yeah. Massochism, orange. I find there, those things are more often notably memorable. Like, you struggled through. something with other people and like... I kind of like it when type 1 fun accidentally turns into type 2 fun and doesn't necessarily

cross over into type 3. Let's have a fun day out. Wow, this is great. Oh no. Yeah, that can sometimes be really fun too actually. Because then you get to rise to the occasion. And it's awful when it's happening and then you look back on it it. It's kind of sick. Yeah. Type 3 is no good. No. No, I don't think that's... I don't think that's... That's fun.

Yeah, I think it said right in it, not fun. Yeah. All right, you know what is fun, though? Japanese company Tarlin International launches hyper-realistic capsule toy PC parts that you can assemble and play with. Tiny motherboards, cases, and CPUs are coming after Tarlin inks a collab with the big four PC parts makers. Do you want to fire up the site and we'll go to a screencap for you?

These look super cute. Um, I'm there, yeah. So you can actually assemble the parts into a working tiny tower, um, made through official licensing deals with Asrock, Gigabyte, MSI, and Intel. That's a really odd big four. Um, I don't see a sous there. And also, if we're talking CPU makers, AMD's not there in no Nvidia. You can... Anyway.

Can you have like server racks? The teased first wave includes three branded miniature motherboards. Wait, where did you access this? This isn't even it. This is from the dock. Toys One Japan list of products is what I went to. Okay. So I think I just got to go to Tom's, basically.

Tom's has the... There you go. Okay. So the teased first wave includes three branded miniature motherboards. boards, the Azrock Z890 Steel Legend Wi-Fi, the Gigabyte Z890 AORS Elite Wi-Fi 7-7, and MSI's Meg Z890 Ace, along with an Intel Core Ultra 7-270K-plus CPU that installs into any of the boards. There's also case fans, a power supply, a tower case.

It's Gatchapon. So each is about, each $3 pull is random, and you need roughly five drops to complete to build. Tarlin also sells licensed 112 scale Palm Network equipment capsules that recreate real data center and enterprise gear down to the model number spanning Cisco rack-mount switches, Lenovo Think Systems, Dell Power Edge,

Fortnite, Fortigate firewalls, extreme networks, NEC, NetAP, and F5 alongside past oddities like a temporary toilet series and an articulated crayfish. They even had an earlier Intel Core I78700 CPU back in 2024.

There's no final release date for full parts list or full parts list for the new PC line yet. Obviously, I wouldn't spend $3 on this, let alone multiple $3 so that I could do multiple polls. But I just think it's cute that it exists and if someone else buys it, I will look at it and I will say, that's cute. I'm glad I didn't spend my money on it. How would you feel about being forced to spend your money on it through an employee

spending money on it to make like a short or something? is realistically I guess the Gatchap Pond part of it is that you just buy the capsule so it's like is that one of the terny things or is it a claw machine thing

because you have a claw machine so you could recreate the experience with a claw machine hmm um yeah if if I know I think this is a random I think this is a random

chance one and I'm not really that into it although one of of my, one of my badminton friends recently told me that apparently for a lot or at least some gotcha stuff, if you're willing to buy an entire master carton of it, it's guaranteed to contain everything. Oh. Yeah. So he, that's cool. Yeah, he had a bunch of them. And I was like, oh, man, you're like, you didn't waste a bunch of money to like get every single one. Did you? He's like, no, no, no, no, no. You can just, if you like them enough that you know you want all of them,

then you can just buy the whole thing. Um, that I don't mind yeah Crystal says depends on the thing but yeah so that I don't mind so much

sure if I know what I'm still just buying the thing that you want yeah I'm still just buying plastic junk but at least I'm buying a plastic junk thing that I know I want

I don't want to just spend money on something I don't know what it is yeah so yeah I'd be fine with it I mean oh man there's there's no money in shorts like you know that right

like I probably I don't know how much these costs but I probably wouldn't get it back for shorts. Like we uploaded a short today on the main channel that has, oh actually, no,

I should use one from a, from an earlier day, just because monetization has like a half a day or one day delay on it or something like that. Here, racing with steam controllers got almost 900,000 views and made $108, literally not even enough to buy the multiple steam controllers we used. Like it's,

never mind, you know, paying people to work on it and edit it and whatever like it's it's purely just a an awareness segment of the funnel thing for us except when it manages to go somewhat viral like shorts revenue is trash it's a it's a mystery to me that youtube is pushing it so hard because i just don't see how there's a a viable business model in there for them like in cases where the short purely exists to promote our products, then it could kind of make sense. Like we did, we did this one a little while ago asking how many of our magnetic cable

management arches does it take to hold up a PC? And it's just like your classic short, oh, escalating stakes, we're going to keep trying it and then eventually, you know, we succeed. That made, let's see, oh my God, I hate when I click a video in the studio app and then I go back, it doesn't take me back to the studio app. it locks me in the YouTube app. So that did two and a half million views and made $300. So a good thing that was an already broken PC.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have even broken even on the parts for making the video. Even as it is, like I'd be surprised if that even covers the labor of making this video. But presumably we might have sold some cable management arches or something. but like shorts is is brutal from like our revenue standpoint we just we just do it to like be there

if that kind of makes sense kind of like how we started the WAN show just to have a foothold in live so we're doing something around live if live ends up being the entire future of online media then we won't be starting for nothing at least we are there yeah yeah

ads are about to get a bit quieter in California on July 1st that has become illegal for streaming platforms to play ads louder than the content being watched in the state of California. I love this idea. Interesting how it's going to be in execution. Governor Gavin Newsom signed this bill SB 576 into law back in October 2025 before it was only broadcast cable and satellite TV providers that were affected by the Calm, Commercial Advertising Loudness Mitigation Act, which was signed back into law. in 2010.

It is still not 100% confirmed if this will only apply to users in California if these streaming companies will keep ads at their current volume in other states. Streaming services in the past have argued they are already trying to manage the loudness of advertisements that come from server-side ad insertion that may be inconsistent with the loudness of the programs. Also argued it's tough due to the broad range of output devices, including TVs, tablets, and phones. That part.

I don't know about that. But the one thing that does have me kind of wondering is like, what if you're watching, like, effectively a silent stream? Is the ad just muted? Like, is there a minimum? Because, like, TV and stuff, I can feel like it's going to be a little bit more measured. But streaming is weird. Yeah, it can be all over the place. A lot of really weird stuff with streaming.

With that said, it's also very obvious, though, that they're playing the ads louder on purpose. Oh, yes. So if at the very least, this forces them to target a loudness that is probably pretty close to what the content creator was running their loudness at, then that's probably good enough to the point where people will stop complaining about it, which is realistically what this measure is meant to achieve. So it also said, ASMR stream for the win. I don't know if ASMR is technically quiet. No, I don't think so. think it is. It's more about the nearness of the recording and the delivery.

Yeah. Not necessarily the quietness of it. And they're like whispering, but it's high gain and they're right next to the mouse. Mike. This is hilarious. Avon Fox says, it's been illegal in Australia for decades on free TV. So what they do is they highly compressed ad audio so it sounds louder.

That's kind of what I'm saying with ASMR is like, It doesn't necessarily seem like it's loud, but it might be the same loudness as other content. That's hilarious. All right. What else we got this week? Oh, hey, in other console disc-related news, Xbox is testing a disc-to-digital feature. The Verge reports that Microsoft is testing a feature that would let Xbox 1 and Xbox series owner, insert a physical game disc

and convert it to a digital license that is tied to their account. The system would make physical games behave like digital purchases with perks like cloud streaming or Play Anywhere support, but the license would still be tied to the disc itself,

so selling or lending the disc would affect access. How the crap would that work? I have no idea. I shall read on. Apparently not all disks are going to work, and the Verge article says that Microsoft is warning

internal testers that it all depends on how and when the disc was manufactured, as it may not have all the features needed for this program. Huh. Fascinating. Judging by what's going on in the market, this is likely part of a bigger shift towards more digital Xbox future, like a next-gen console without a disc drive. Yeah. Still giving current disc owners a way to preserve their libraries.

Oh, so that way I could pull my old Xbox off the shelf and still play my, like, backwards compatible Xbox games on my Project Helix, assuming anybody buys it, by converting that disc to a digital license. But what I'm having are to digital copy of the game. But I'm just having a really hard time understanding how if the disc is still the license for the game, and if you're going to have to put it in

in order to validate the license, then how is this any different? Because realistically, no one's gaming off of the disc anymore anyway. You have to install the game. Maybe you have to do it every once in a while, or maybe as long as that disc is not detected in another online connected Xbox. Oh, I could see that. For a certain period of time, then you are still given the license. It allows you to swap games and such without needing to swap discs. Yeah, no, no, I understand that. I'm just asking how it can use the disc as the license while enabling that functionality. That's the question. But yeah, I could see

them doing like steam offline mode for for example all right well i'm and sounds good more flexibility is more better i can't say that i would strongly recommend doing this it seems like leaving the game and the disc as one thing is the most consumer friendly version of this that consumers could enjoy having the friendliness of but i i will never say no to more options for how to use the media that I have paid for. We can jump right into, you want to talk about the class action lawsuit.

Yes. Samsung S.K. Heinex and Micron sued over alleged DRAM. Alleged. Yeah, sure. Alleged DRAM price fixing amid record memory costs. Lawsuit claims coordinated HBM shift was cover to curtail DDR3

and DDR4 production. Samsung, yeah, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hit with class action lawsuit on June 25th in the Northern District of California, where 17 plaintiffs, a mix of individuals and small PC building firms, accused the three of illegally coordinating to restrict DRAM supply and inflate prices. The complaint says prices have jumped roughly 700% over four years, and the three companies together control around 90% of the global DRAM market. It's filed as Garcia-Guard. wire?

Sure. I think. Verses Samsung Electronics under the Section 1 of the Sherman Act, which you are all obviously super, you know, aware of.

That's my favorite section. I know what it is. It even name drops the Rampocalypse. The core claim is that the trio used the industry-wide shift to HBM, this, you know,

stacked memory, as a pretext to wind down DDR3 and DDR4 production, choke conventional DR-Supply, and drive up prices. The plaintiffs argue that in a truly competitive market, at least one of the three would have ramped up conventional DRAM output

to capture those rising prices. But none did. I also think if you look at precedence at all, you'll know that these boys be enjoying this type of activity. It is worth being clear on how hard this is to win, showing that all three cut output and prices soared isn't enough on its own. and the plaintiffs have to prove that there was an actual agreement to coordinate, not just three companies independently chasing the most profitable product,

which would be APM, which is also... What I say? APM. Uh-huh. Pretty close. I meant HBO, uh, which is legal. The suite learns, uh, leans, oh my goodness, the suit learns, the suit learns, leans, leans, ah!

On history to argue a pattern. Samsung and SKI had expleted guilty to criminal DERAM price fixing back in 2005. Apparently I can reset it by yelling. That's good to know. Part of a DOJ case that levied, I got it, $731 million in fines. The plaintiffs are seeking treble? That you're reading it correctly. That might be just a typo in the notes. Damages and a court order to end the alleged squeeze. Alleged. I still think alleged is funny. No, treble damages is a thing. A legal remedy that allows a court to triple the amount of actual compensatory damages awarded to a prevailing plaintiff.

It's a punitive measure. Got it. Let's try Lexand. Yeah. Cool. It's cool that someone is doing something. Hopefully they win. This isn't going to work. No. Probably. But I think it's, you know, I think it's cool that they're doing something.

That's cool. Nice. But like, HBM is the most lucrative product. and so I think it would be pretty easy for these guys to... Oh yeah, obviously. The reason why I'm shooting down the allegedly part so quickly is just that like the precedent for this is so deep and so thorough. Obviously.

Yeah. Yeah. They're all chasing the most highly profitable thing. They're also all doing it in lockstep because that's even more profitable. Nice. Like it's just, I don't know. It's so obvious. I doubt they would be stupid enough to have a formal agreement again.

But... Again. Everyone knows, you know, which direction the industry is going. You know, there's only so... That's the thing. There's only so many players, right? So when you're... Until China steps in.

When you're in Vidia and you're basically just like, well, we need one billion HBM stacks. Yeah. Everyone's going to know about it. Everyone's bidding on it. Everyone is on the same page about it. So they don't have to have a formal agreement. They just see the demand forecast.

They see the production forecast. And they go, oh, demand here, production here. Oh, price go here. But hey, this is kind of neat. And legitimately, meta is using custom chips to run DDR4 in servers that were designed for DDR5. And to be clear, that was the headline from, I believe it was Tom's hardware.

Yeah, Tom's hardware's headline is Meta fights soaring hardware costs by reusing old DDR4 server memory in new DDR5-only servers. They're not quite just putting DDR4 memory into DDR5 servers. Those servers still have to have DDR5 in them. But Meta built a custom chip

that lets it pull old DDR4 memory out of decommissioned servers and then run it alongside DDR5 memory at a slower speed in their newer servers. The chip is called Vistara, and it's apparently already running across millions of servers. Normally, servers get retired after three to five years, but the memory is good for 7 to 10. So meta was tossing perfectly usable DDR4, which in this day and age, in this economy.

Yeah, that's crazy. On top of that, about 40% of its fleet couldn't have its memory expanded at all, which, in this economy, when everybody needs more memory, the trick to overcome this is CXL,

a standard that lets you attach memory to a processor over the PCIE bus instead of over normal RAM slots. So Vistara is a custom CXL chip that bridges the old DDR4 to AMD's DDR5-only epic turn CPUs over PCIE. So each of these mem servers has 768 gigs of fast DDR5, and then about 256 gigs of recovered DDR4 for about a terabyte total. Now, obviously, the DDR4 is much slower.

It works out to roughly 10 times less bandwidth. my God, what a way of phrasing that. So a tenth of the bandwidth versus the directly attached DDR5. And then Meta handles that in software. So the system will automatically shove rarely touched data onto the slower DDR4 while keeping the frequently used stuff on fast DDR5. And it works well enough that meta says it cut the number of AI servers that it needs by up to 25%. Our discussion question is,

in this economy? No, sorry. It's when even a company the size of meta is raiding its own decommissioned servers to harvest usable RAM instead of buying new,

what does that tell you about how bad the memory shortage has actually gotten? Okay, so I was only partially kidding. Our discussion question, in this economy?

Yeah. If you were wondering if it's all fake and a conspiracy, this basically answers your question that they would go and create this chip in order to do this.

Tells you everything that you need to know. Really cool. I mean, I wasn't aware of a standard that allow you to run more RAM over PCI. Oh, CXL's super cool. It's actually sweet. I never heard of that. That's awesome.

It can be used for like contemporaneous RAM too. Just if you need to add like buckets and buckets and buckets of RAM because the latency is still low. It's just the bandwidth is constrained by the PCIE bandwidth. Yeah. very interesting but like oh man

it's so brutal to be into computers right now I think for a lot of people they're just not they're pausing yeah I think for a ton of people they're just pausing I mean you had talked about that early not a current interest could Microsoft just

pause the next Xbox could they just wait it out is not going to be super excited right now. Man, see, I don't... I know that contract prices are still going up. I think Microsoft has said what?

They're expecting RAM to double again by next year or something like that. I forget exactly, you know, what the forecast is, but hold on a second. Okay, I made that video a little while ago, right? When I was like, okay, the worst might be over. Yeah. And I pointed at how there's actually been some dips in prices.

I came across a 32 gig kit for 300 bucks earlier this week. Like, there are, okay, there are some cracks that are starting to show. It's funny because that's so bad. It's not great. It's so bad. But recovery is better than going the other way. No, I know. It's just so funny that, like, that actually sounds like a steal right now.

I know. But like, my God. But hold on. Hold on. And it's like, yeah, there's always cycles, though. No, I hear you. I remember, okay, oh man, I was having a, I was having a, like a dinner at CES with my old crucial rep back when I was a product manager at NCIX and he was old school, right?

Been in the industry like his whole adult life. And he was, he was joking about like the not literally, but like, you know, the hookers and blow days of the memory industry. Because he was like, he was like laughing. He was like, yeah. and one stick was like a thousand dollars and you couldn't keep the things in stock they were selling like candy it was like a non-stop party and everyone was invited and now we got you can get gigabytes and gigabytes and we're selling them for like three points margin if we're lucky it's crazy and and and and and so these these boom and bus cycles have always been part of it and I feel like what's the

What's the noose? The noose meme? The noose? Yeah. This. I feel like this guy. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Yeah. Like it's just... Yeah. It's bad. It's bad. That is $300 for a kit. That is bad.

This two shall pass. But this two shall pass. China's going to waddle over to the memory area and be like, hey, guys. Hey, remember what we did with displays? Yeah. And practically. everything else. And so I'm looking at, and like, and

some of the other cracks that I talked about in that video are not just still there, but they're starting to widen. I mean, the big news from Facebook earlier this week is that, because apparently just like XAI,

they're not 100% sure what to do with all the bloody AI compute capacity they built, and they're starting to lease it out to other players. That's a good, thing. That's a good thing because what that tells us is that the insane parabolic ramp up in building is, I mean, it's going to plateau. If somebody has excess capacity, not only just that, but like, it's got a plateau. For all the capacity that gets rented out,

that's, could be in a, in a fun accounting way, a capacity that isn't being now built. if that makes sense. Because it wasn't being fully used by them, so this new upstart company is not building another DC. That's exactly it. Yeah. That's exactly it. So I'm looking at it and I'm going, yes, the contract prices keep going up.

But like the deals on the street are not going parabolic. The cracks in the in the insatiable. appetite are starting to show. I want to see how I, we're going to, I mean, obviously, we have no choice. We're going to have to wait and see how it plays out. But I'm, I think we're going to be okay in a while. And if you can put off a memory upgrade right now, I strongly recommend that. If you're building a new system, DDR4 is still attainable at reasonable-ish pricing.

And you can still get really good performance. I mean, this is something that's so important to highlight. And we talk about this in every CPU review, right, where we'll put up all the numbers from labs and we'll go at 1080P, the new one is the fastest, it's the bees, knees, buy all the fastest things, consume, consume, consume, oh, by the way, when you turn the resolution up to even 1440p,

which I might remind you right now, a 1440P gaming monitor, okay? We're going to go 1440P, 240 Hertz, okay? we're talking a flipping gaming can be had for for under 200 US dollars these are Canadian rubles guys this is aOC this isn't even some random brand that you've never heard of acer nitro 255 CAD so that's times 0.7 to get to US dollars so it's 60 it's 75 off from that so we're talking 180 US dollars for a 1440p gaming monitor like if that's not the upgrade you're making right now while RAM is super expensive, then maybe your priorities are not quite right.

And if you have a 1440P gaming monitor, we've seen it time and time again, the performance difference between the latest and greatest CPU and one that's even a few generations old. It's not that big. Use the older platform. It's okay. There's no shame in it. Like Luke and I have advocated for years that you've got to find your scratch. The whole reason why scrapyard wars exist is because we were trying to scrap,

we were making, the popular term for it back then was Lambo videos. I think these, now it's more appropriately called like Halo, Halo products. But we were trying to find a way to make us that people wouldn't just watch the like 780 video. 780, nice. But like actually, that's the era we were in. Yeah. So we were trying to figure out like how do we find a way to make it? like the 60 series, if we're going back to

Nvidia cards, the 60 series cards are the ones that basically everybody buys. Nvidia has tried to shove that price performance number up to the 70 to get more dollars out of people. But historically, especially back then, it was succeeded. I think you mean succeeded. Yeah, it's the 50, 70 now. But back then, the 60 series cards were the

primary cards from Nvidia that people actually bought. The 60 series cards would get like the least views out of all of them that we would talk about. and the 80 or in rare cases, 90 or whatever series card would get by far the most views. So we were trying to find some way to promote, you know, more frugal or more cost effective or whatever you want to call it, lifestyles, while getting people that actually click on the darn videos. It was very hard. And like one of the only things that we really thought of to do that was Scrappyard Wars.

We went from the other end with another series. It had a more ridiculous name. It wasn't like overkill. It was, you still do them sometimes. Compensator, yeah. Yeah, the compensator systems. Where we meme on the top end stuff. Yeah.

So we're kind of attacking it from both sides. But you can't just release like the review of some card and it be like the one that everyone buys and have it actually get views. It doesn't work. I'll make the rules, man So we're trying to find something Yeah, parallelogram in chat

Says, I'd like to see you try in scrapyard wars With the RAM crisis Yeah, it sucks DDR4, baby And it's, it is DDR4, but it still sucks Um, I mean Actually, those prices are down 50 bucks is fine

What the heck? If I can get a 16 gig... Those prices have come way down If I can get a 16 gig kit For 50 Canadian in Rubles. No, that is not fast DDR4. Not my, you know, favorite thing.

But here's a crazy idea. Learn to overclock your memory. Take a time of hardship and learn something new. Scrapyard wore it. That did kind of look like DDR3. Someone pointed out in FlowPunchab. But there is also a lot of heat sinks that go across generations. Says four right on it.

Yeah. I think they had very similar heat spreaders on, on three. Like those rip jaws in the top left I like I swear they had DDR3 kits that looked exactly the same

or very close to it. I mean we can double check so I don't even rip jaws as ballistics um no this is DDR4 lead free yep

um but yeah they they will very often have heat spreaders that look effectively the same across gens yeah it doesn't matter like dude

it's uh like yeah is it is this a great situation did DDR4 used market RAM go down? I mean, that's the thing about... I swear it was higher than this. That's the thing about the second-hand market

is brand new. Brand-new is going to be based on, like, hype. It's going to be based on marketing. It's going to be based on shiny. But the second-hand market, no product can hide from its true value. And sometimes, that means that something's worth a lot. And, you know, a perfect example of that would be something like

30-90. still be worthing much money. There is still market manipulation on the use market, but... Oh, to such a lesser degree. But it's a much smaller degree, yeah, totally. Like, if something is still, you know, really useful because it has 24 gigs of V-Ram or whatever, you know, yeah. But if something's just actually plentiful

and not that in demand, then the used market is unforgiving. It will go down because people got to move it. It's that simple. Yeah. Right? Someone like an Nvidia, they have the luxury of going, well, I will allocate my wafers to my super profitable data center hardware and my networking ICs,

and I will just simply make less G-Force in order to make sure that the price of me. Joe GPU clearance V-9 sale doesn't have that luxury. These got to move. V-9 sale. What's going on there? That's in Chilliwack, baby! Hey! You want to go whack some chilies, dude?

Yeah, buddy. Hell yeah. So I, um, it sucks. And I realize that, you know, me being removed from, you know, the, the scrappy, I buy things for as cheap as I can and, like, fix them and stuff like that. It probably comes across grading to some people for me to say this stuff. but it's not like I didn't live this. It's not like there weren't periods of stuff being more affordable and less affordable while I was working SAP.

And that's a huge part of why I have the knowledge base and the troubleshooting skills that made me be able to build the media company that I am speaking to you from today. I think it's a great opportunity to learn and get the most out of what is out there. And DDR4 is out there, man. Just, you know, you got to be savvy, though. Don't go and try and buy an X3D chip.

So that's an example of something that's older gen, but still really expensive because the demand's really high, because everybody knows the X3D branding. Like, what's a Risen? Let's see. See what we can find. And I kind of want to see, I kind of want to see what there is on, like,

Ali Express for, like, pre-bundled boards and stuff. because we're getting to the point where there's got to be some harvestable like mobile stuff that's like ddr 4 era at this point i legitimately am just thinking out loud right now i have not looked into that and oh man this site is insufferable like how am i supposed to interact with your website oh i have to see this x here that i didn't even notice no don't allow go away uh motherboard Let's see what we got. Motherboard, CPU, DDR4. What are we looking at here? Oh, gosh. The old X-99s. Anyway, sorry, what's that?

How bad are these? Nothing wrong with those. Do they affect performance at all? They don't affect performance, except that so-dims typically are not rated as high. And so, especially for so-dims, you're going to be hard-pressed to find something that has really tight timings.

So it might be rated for like a good mega transfer per second speed, but your latency is going to suck. And so I would avoid those unless you get an outstanding deal on some harvested sodoms or something like that. Especially because they have their own cost, right? So like, we'd have to offset quite a bit. I can't believe how many options there are for old X99 boards still. You know those like remanufactured server chips that ones? Yeah, I'm trying to wonder why. Well, I think...

Were they used for mining a bunch or something? No, they were just... So bloody many of those chipsets to be harvested from data centers that are throwing them all away and the same for the chips. Like here's a board. What is this? A board, a CPU and 16 gigs of DDR4 RAM for 64 Canadian rubles. That is a slow CPU now. It has 10 cores.

It is very slow, though. But that is a slow CPU. And not only are the Jigmahertz slow, but, um, That's going to be some rough IPCs at this point, too. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Okay, here we go. What are we looking at here? Engineering sample.

Engineering sample 0-000-0. Product performance, refer to the I711800 H. That's a functional, no, that's a functional CPU. No, I just, I just. It's a 2.3 gigahertz or 2.2 gigahertz engineering sample. We won't tell you what it is, but it's, refer to this thing. Max Turbo 4.5, though. Apparently it does, I mean, yeah, maybe I should, I should buy one of these.

200 CAD. So that's 140, 140 US. And that includes your motherboard, your CPU, but not your DDR4. You'll have to pick up some DDR4. But then as we saw, DDR4 are 50 bucks CAD. So we're talking 250 CAD. So that's like still way less than 200 USD for your CPU motherboard and RAM. And that's a, it's not.

a great performing CPU, but it's a cromulent CPU. It's a little more modern than these X-99 combos that are just, like, you will run into games where literally the CPU doesn't support, like, instructions you need in order to run the game now. Like, they're too old. I've been kind of interested in, I watched a basically homeless video recently where he built a cyber deck. And I've noticed a couple different tech creators in the tech creator space. have recently done videos on cyberdecks. Yeah, we talked about it in Writers' Meeting like a few weeks back.

Yeah, it seemed to be like a mild trend right now. Really trendy. And something that caught my eye when he was talking about his cyberdeck was this company, which I had never heard of before. Latte Panda, yeah. We've talked about them before. And some of their, I probably just forgot,

I don't know, I don't remember Brandeys very well. But some of their products are like... Very cool. Pretty skook them. Yeah. This thing's kind of a beast, actually. Yep. Like I was kind of looking into the different various things you could do with this,

and it's pretty impressive. They were either the first or they were among the first to do like a powerful X-86 SBC. Yeah. And that was kind of how they made their name. Yeah, it's like pretty serious business. Obviously, there's some tradeoffs, but like... We have an alpha from 2018. It looks like...

Yeah. Just kind of cool. Yeah. It's pretty wild. I found another motherboard. Kind of fun. Want to find some old epic Rome chips? Whoa.

And put them on a Huananxi, H12D. Yeah, I want a Chinese remanufactured board for my dual epic server. Sorry, I just, I love Ali Express. Does that come with the chips? No. Okay, okay, okay, okay. No, just a motherboard. I was going to like buy that now.

This is just a crazy pants motherboard that I was just like, that, dang, that's a crazy pants motherboard. board um i was i was ready to whip the phone out and make a purchase indig gaming nass motherboard no ram no rom no o s what is this just a block of gray yeah what is this what is this i have no idea oh okay powered by mobile engineering sample chips interesting oh here we go here we go here we go here we go where is this Yeah, so you get a motherboard and a 7845HX, and this uses DDR. Oh, no, this has got to be DDR5 then.

What kind of DDR is it? Sorry, I'm just like shopping at this point. No, this is fun. Specifications, here we go. It's got to be DDR5 though. Yeah, I think so. I think they don't want to show any serial numbers or anything. Yeah, AM5.

Yeah. All right. Well, I'll keep looking on. my own time and I'll see what I can find for like mobile mobile chips adapted old harvested mobile chips on motherboards. It looks like 11th gen is kind of

where it's at right now for that in terms of what's actually like affordable. Seems like could be not a bad thing. All right. What else we got to talk about today? Oh, this one. Do you want a funny one?

Yeah. Three YouTube channels. H383 Productions, Mr. Short Game Golf, and Golfholics sued Apple back in April, alleging that they deliberately circumvented YouTube's protections against video scraping to train their AI models, and that Apple profited substantially, quote unquote, by doing so.

The same trio have also filed parallel suits against meta, Nvidia, bite dance, and snap. Here's some background context. Apple seems like a strange company to sue given their lack of public frontier video models. But back in December 2024, 14 Apple employees co-authored a research paper called STIV, Scalable Text and Image Conditioned Video Generation, which is a text-slash-image-to-video generative model.

The paper references its training data, and one of the datasets listed is Panda 70M. Panda 70M was originally compiled by Snap, and is built from around 3.8 million YouTube videos chopped into about 70.7 million clips. The dataset does not contain the actual video files. It's just a list of links to YouTube content. So to actually train on it,

somebody has to go to YouTube and download every referenced video of themselves. The downloading step is what the YouTubers are arguing required circumventing YouTube's anti-scraping protections. This week, Apple has responded with a motion to dismiss. arguing that the videos were free for anyone to watch with no login or paywall. So whatever download blocking YouTube has doesn't legally count as an access lock, and the DMCA claim only works if there was a lock on access in the first place. Full legal document quote from Mac Rumors for reference here,

plaintiffs allege that they posted audiovisual works to YouTube and that any number of the public can see them there. No password, no payment, no lock, no key. Allegedly, YouTube employs technological measures to prevent unauthorized downloading, but because YouTube provides public access to the videos, the alleged technological measures do not control access to the works, as Section 1201A requires. This is fascinating.

Using the Atlantic tool to check Panda 70M, LTT has 4,701 videos listed there. So basically, Apple is arguing that surely they cannot possibly have violated my copyright on those videos, which I definitely own, because those videos were posted on YouTube. If Apple wins this, if Apple wins this, do you remember when Apple demanded that, that old ad collateral of theirs was taken down. Do you remember this? Someone archived old Apple like keynotes and product imagery. Seems like it was publicly shared to me.

Seems like it was publicly accessible to me with no locking key. It's publicly accessible with no locking key. Does Apple really want to win this? I feel like that would be insane if they do. This would completely, completely scrap

like copyright as it currently exists and there might be some people who are going to root for that I don't think Apple is one of them Yeah Yeah yeah yeah So basically you're saying

That if I have a downloader That can You know get it And you know It was publicly Where's the line on publicly facing? Not even the downloader They're just accepting the fact

that they circumnavigated the download limit limitations yeah they're just being okay with that this is wild what an argument they're not even they're not even pretending that they didn't just take it very interesting very interesting discussion question you both lived through napster through the napster era is this the napster moment for ai where the lawsuits don't really fix anything it ends up with someone building a licensing pipe. I mean... I feel like something like that will happen.

What does that look like, though? I mean, I tried to raise that back at Creator Summit where I was basically just like, okay, so, you know, ultimately, if Google uses, like builds a licensing agreement for other companies to access YouTube videos, what does my compensation look like for that? And I couldn't get a clear answer out of anybody

because what I suspect is that they would just kind of go, eh. They want to pocket it for sure. I think we'll just keep that. Kind of like how YouTube avoids engaging in a deeper conversation with me every time I ask about what happens to the money from the AdSense on non-partner program videos because it used to be they just didn't have ads on them. Well, now they have ads and YouTube just, I guess, takes 100% of it

because they don't have to share it with anybody. There's rampant perverse incentives when it comes to that. I saw, it was shared a video recently. I'm trying to remember the details. There's like this weird robot arm that scans over this lady's actual real arm thing. Yeah. And it like looks like it's putting a tattoo on her arm with a laser or something. And it's like just very obviously AI.

But the reason why it was shared to me was it was someone that I know, but they had watched the Wancho segment where we were complaining about how YouTube is going down a bad path. Practically all of the comments. And with tons of upvotes were like, is this what YouTube? has become look at the fall of YouTube um wow seems like there's a lot of room for competition now that YouTube is like going to whatever else and it was just like whoa I haven't seen comments like that on YouTube ever like the entire comment section wasn't going oh gross this video is AI they were going oh gross YouTube

no mechanisms for solving this. There's no dislike button, so you can't flag to other users that it is very easily. Comments are super easy to bought. It's just, it's brutal, man. They got to figure this out. They got to figure the shorts thing out. Because the other thing with shorts is

they're so short-lived, usually. They'll blow up and then disappear. And if you're trying to spread some misinformation or whatever else, That's fine. Yeah. But if you're trying to have a short again after you've seen it once is like, who knows? So just for fun, let's play a little game.

I'm playing this on the WAN show. Oh. I'm recording it. I am profiting from it right now. To me, it seems like it's freely shared with no walk or key. Yep. So therefore, there was nothing for me to circumvent. Therefore, I am well within my rights to have this and profit from it and benefit from it and whatever way I see fit.

Right? Seems like it based on their argument, right? Plank just alleged that they posted audiovisual works to YouTube. Yep. And that any member of the public can see them there with no. password, no payment, no lock, no key. Allegedly YouTube employees technological measures to prevent unauthorized

downloading. Well, clearly I'm able to clearly I'm able to get around this by recording my screen while I watched the video, so that just seems like if Apple didn't want anybody to have this, then they probably shouldn't have posted it on YouTube. That seems, is there anything

inconsistent between my argument and Apple's argument here? No, they specify at the end but because YouTube provides public access to the videos, as they are with this one, the alleged technological measures do not control access to the works. So we're good to use it based on Apple's claim. Wow.

And to be clear, there's a lot of people who agree with Apple's response to H3, Mr. Short Game, and golfolics. I just don't think Apple really agrees with Apple. it will be fascinating to watch them bend themselves into a pretzel trying to reconcile this stance with their previous stances. How much you want to bet that I get a copyright strike on this video from Apple?

Oh, yeah, almost guaranteed. They do that normally, right? They're like Nintendo. I don't know. If it was Nintendo, I would be sure. Hard to say. Apple, I'm not 100 certain. I do know that the person.

who archived all the old Apple marketing collateral was no longer hosts it. That's publicly available information. Interesting. Very. All right. What we got next. And I often get accused of being like an Apple hater.

What I hate is hypocrisy. Yeah. That's what I hate. I don't hate Apple. They use their products. Love some of their products. But I hate hypocrisy. if you're going to

you know if you're going to be that guy that's like strict by the numbers IP law copyright be that guy be Nintendo

to Nintendo's credit they don't steal other people's IP they are internally consistent which at the very least I can I don't have to like but I have to respect

that's your stance that's your stance That's your position. You're treating others as you wish to be treated. That's the golden rule. I respect that at the very least. I often don't like it the way Nintendo does things. But you can't have it both ways.

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all going up we have no one is talking about how terrible sd cards are they really are terrible we're switching off of them we're done with sd cards we also have our next collab with splave okay this is a cool video check this out well on i got to just save the post here uh but but but Oh, but, can I do this? No. I hate anything that doesn't let me open it in a new tab. Okay, there we go. Oh, did I set this one public?

Oh, no. Save. Okay, here we go, and refresh. Oh, it's not there. Okay, we'll give it a minute. We'll give it a minute to... What are we doing? We'll give it a minute to propagate.

Did I not? Yeah, I did. Okay, well, it'll... It'll post in a second, I'm pretty sure. Also, oh, no way. We've got the Oshkaat motion simulator. Holy crap. Okay, this one's a banger.

This thing is so cool. I got to try it. And what did you think? Bangor. Please refresh the page. What the, what the crap. I'm wondering if you're like rate limiting things. Oh.

I don't know if people normally, I don't know if people normally like spam release videos. Okay. everything's here dude this thing this thing's crazy it looks crazy

it does 90 degrees on every major axis so it can do 45 45 45 45 then what are the other ones 45 oh no it goes all the way around this way that makes sense

this string and and they set it up with um they set up like like a rock crawler thing check the out. So see the car behind me? I'm driving this car.

And it's responding in real time. Dude, it's so freaking cool. That, man, if you could wireless into Snow Runner, that would actually unironically be so much fun. Dude, it was one of the most... Offshut?

It was one of the most fun things that I've done in like, I don't know. Ages. Like the most fun I had driving like a sim rig. Is it comfortable? What are you talking about? That's like asking how much fuel economy

the new Ferrari has. It's not the point. Yeah. Hardly the point. I want to figure out if you can make this work with Snow Runner. And then this one's... Snow Runner has like, you know, output for force feedback.

Sometimes they work. And then this one's great. We got our hands on the first thousand hertz gaming monitor and built a thousand FPS gaming PC in partnership with Splave. And this is probably So you use the chiller paired with Splave

It's a great video Wow We have fun here Oh that's awesome Amazing Anyway we've got early access Over on floatplane for those three videos And we launched our second batch of badges

Okay I clicked the link Cool Floatplane sub badges Whoa you can get a vessel badge Yeah, I don't know Oh, wait Yeah, yes, you can't

What? They don't exist anymore What are they gonna do? It's fine Alpha, alpha plus What am I looking at? He's never going to be rid of this helmet

Oh my goodness Okay, well these are These are great Love the Tech House badge Um Anywho, we have new badges. Not only are we celebrating the tiers of floatplane sub, but people who are active during our special weeks,

like Luke Week, Dan Week, or Yvonne Week. This is alongside our early release for our flagship series Scrappyard Wars and Secret Chopper. These videos are available early only on LM.g.g.g. All right, there you go, Sammy. We did the float plane announcements. Hold on this Oshkut thing. You can't buy it? Is that a one-off?

It's a several off. several off So they made like five of them or something They made some Yeah And you can experience them In certain places at certain times Are you allowed to keep that one?

It's gone already I tried There's last year at open sauce They might be at open sauce again You're going right Yeah that'd be cool They were creators only It was a racing track

You had to set a laptop Oh I remember people doing that Yeah Yeah They are just like super cool guys though That seems So wicked, man.

And they're, I think they're shipping to Canada now? Accurately working with Snow Runner. You could do it. You pair that with like some big screen beyond. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He gets it. I don't know if I'd need another game.

Like, we're going to get you into Sim. Sim racing. My God, man. This is why the racing is, it's not, it's not. No, no. Same thing. Sim, sim car stuff. It's not the same.

Like, I just drive in Japanese traffic. Because what I saw was him driving a, you know, Rockhuggy? Some, sure, over a bunch of rocks and stuff. In Snowrunner, I'm going to be like sideways, basically. Dude. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay.

He gets it. Ah. One of the things I love about paintball. Okay. Is that the consequences are real. Yeah. You actually want to avoid being hit. Yeah.

Because like, laser tag. Water gun fight. Everyone just like runs around and, like, you go, you go stand right next to say. In paintball, you do not. walk up to somebody because it freaking hurts to get hit and I'm talking like actual paintball with the like

proper caliber balls paint ball caliber size of 60 68 cal 68 cal oh they did the local fields they play at like stupid 50 cal now and it's just like let me throw ping pong balls at you yeah it doesn't it doesn't hurt

the point of paintball is that it freaking hurts. I want bruises. So that incentivizes... Type two. Type three, fun! That incentivizes the right behaviors because it's not fun to play a game where your opponent doesn't have any

consequences for you beating them. You know? So anyway, hold on where I'm going with this. Or like taking a risk, you rob someone of the exhilaration of taking that risk if there is no consequence to the risk. Correct. Exactly.

So driving the Oshkot motion sim, crashing sucks. Oh, I bet. And that's actually what I enjoyed about it more than anything else. Is when I like tipped my rock crawler, I'm like, like it's unpleasant. Like I want, I want a situation where my truck is tipping in Snow Runner. And I do, I don't know what's actually called, but I do something called ninja roping,

which is like while you're falling, you can send out your winch to like grass. a tree and it grabs the tree and then the whole thing is like boom because like all the weight of this truck just got caught by it grabbing a tree or whatever and now I'm stuck in this spot and I got to figure out like how the heck do I get out of here like that sounds so fun all the like awesomeness of off-roading but without the insane cost and risk and everything else well the neat thing about oshkut is like it's all made by oshkut so you could like get the plans and have them cut it for you.

I mean, the Clearpath steppers are going to be gosh darn expensive, but, you know, it was built by their service. Theoretically, they could make you one. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they would. If you asked nicely. These guys look awesome. I've just been scrolling through their website.

Yeah, they do like... Like everything? Super quick turnaround time metal fab, basically. You send them the files. I think it's like an instant quote thing. There's a couple of these. They have some competitors around too, but they mostly just do

sheet metal and some bending and stuff. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty sick. Cool. That was a fun video. It was nice of them to come up here and let us play with their big boy toys. Ballster said one problem with that

it would require Luke spending money. It would require me spending a lot of money. One of the Clear Path Steppers would probably make you very unhappy. Yeah, it was like multiple thousands of dollars per axis. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not surprised at all.

Huge and really powerful and really accurate. That's so cool. And the thing is you want it to be really powerful because you want that thing to not just be able to move you. It moves. You want to be able to rip you around a little bit. Like they need to... And find control because you want to feel the jiggles.

You want to... Rocks. You know. rocks That was good That was good Um Here's a quick one

Usernames are coming to WhatsApp soon So you don't have to share your phone number Just a handle That like Seems like it should have been a thing 10 years ago But hey it's there now That makes me so much more interested in WhatsApp

My goodness Right now there's a bit of a race To grab usernames Oh no How do we do it? Well, obviously mine wasn't going to be available. Cool. Linus sex tips.

Where'd you find it? Where is that? Okay. I'm going with a classic Linus username. No, it just had a banner for me when I opened up the app. I didn't have one. I found one. I found the way.

Warning, warning, reserve your thing. That's why I kept my six-digit, ICQ. Nice. Tall N-D and float-plane chat. Nice. Context menu asks, isn't this going to get everyone adding you on WhatsApp Linus? Yeah, if I was a big enough dumb-dum to share personal information yet again, then it would be obviously I did not register as Linus sex tips. Well, the reason why I think someone might have asked about that is that is a decently common name in video games. Oh, I know it is. That's why I said it. I have played with people. with that username.

And they don't know it's me. I have never used that username. So if you've ever played with someone calling themselves Linus Sex Tips, it was not me. Yeah. That's his Rocket League Smurf account. Don't ban.

Anyway, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up on that. There's not really like anything newsworthy, particularly about it. But if you want to go claim your username, now is probably as good a time as any. AMD FSR 4.1 benchmarks reveal frame rate regression on RDNA3 graphics cards, but AMD has officially brought FSR 4.1 to RDNA3, so that's Radion RX-7,000, by adapting the AI upscaler from its original FP8 implementation to an Int8 model.

The update is delivered through the Radion driver and automatically replaces supported FSR 3.1 implementations without requiring manual game modifications. Performance reviews consistently mentioned substantially improved image quality with much sharper output, better temporal stability, and significantly reduced blur, ghosting, shimmering, and flickering. In many cases, FSR 4.1 balanced was judged to look better than FSR 3.1 quality.

However, the trade-off is that RDNA3 incurs a larger performance hit, so frame rate gains are smaller than with both FSR 3.1 and with FSR 4.1 on our DNA 4. While the testing found that FSR 4.1 on our DNA3 frame rates are typically lower than with FSR 3.1, they remain well above native rendering in most cases. So you're not taking so much of a hit that it's not even worth enabling at all.

Speaking of which, based on AMD's current roadmap, our DNA 2 is expected to receive FSR 4.1 support in early 2027. Our discussion question asks, So are you excited to see FSR 4.1 on Steam machine? How much will that change the machine's value proposition? I would say honestly not. The problem for the steam machine is not that it doesn't have enough upscaling. I think it's just that it doesn't have enough raw in order to upscale from.

That was a good way of pronouncing that. Well, that's how, that's how the word is concerned. No, I'm, yeah. It's funny because before you said it, I was going to say, say Hutzpah. And then you did that and I was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's only one more topic. Do we send it? Virus 464 says, didn't listen to that at all. Was securing my WhatsApp handle? All right. I'll give you guys a minute. I think I ripped my handle out of someone's hands. Really? Yeah. It's a handle not available. But if you have it on Instagram already, you can take it. And I was like, I do.

freaking got them yonk and it gave it to me nice solid all right intel's next gen nova lake

could be interesting a new leak from LC Tech leaks backed by known intel leaker jakin claims intel's top end Nova Lake

s desktop ship could feature 52 cores and pull up to 474 watts of PL2 power so that's the short term boost limit

that a CPU can hit well turboing, not what it draws at idle or during light use. This 474 watt figure applies to the flagship dual tile model at stock, and drawing more than that would be into overclocking territory, but probably possible. For reference, Intel's flagship desktop ships have sat around 250 watts since 10th-gen Comet Lake. The leak also points to high-end LGA-1954 motherboards, likely the Z-990 series, featuring three EPS 8 pin CPU power connectors

instead of two or one. Whoa. That probably won't be necessary. A single EPS 8 pin is rated for around 235 watts, so two of them already gives you 470 watts plus another 75 or so from the socket.

But if you were going to do any overclocking, then I could see needing another. Allegedly it makes no difference to stock performance, Okay, so that makes sense. Worth noting that the board photo that circulated with the leak actually showed two EPS connectors plus a PCIE 8-pin, not three dedicated CPU connectors. That would actually be a pretty smart way to do this

because that PCIE connector can still do a lot of 12-volt power and you're more likely to have more PCIE connectors already included with your modular power supply, even though many modular power supplies use the same outputs for both PCA and EPS. so you could get more modular cables, but it'd be nice if they just built it with something that I'm already likely to have the cables for.

Nova Lake is rumored to require the new LGA-1954 socket and 900 series chipsets, meaning that no upgrade path will be available from the current LGA 1851. Intel has not officially confirmed any of this. Discussion question. Every generation, flagship CPUs and GPUs are creeping higher on power draw. Are we hitting the point

where a high-end PC is not reasonable to run in a normal room. I have noticed the room where Emma and I have moved our computers to can cook unless there's... It's getting hot in here. You know, you don't have to talk about that on the Mineshuff you don't want to, but you can. If we don't have a window open or AC running or something, it gets hot in there with the computer's running. Yeah.

It actually just really does. It really does. Yeah. Mm. Put some chicken. Chicken time. Chicken and machine learning, training. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So hot! Oh, I was going somewhere with this. Nope, forget it. Whatever. This is the new channel, the WAN show. Make sure you subscribe if you haven't already. How many, how bad was it? Yeah, it was pretty bad this week.

Yeah, it's quite a bit lower than. than usual. Yeah. So it was nice having a popular podcast. I remember the days when people used

to watch the WAN show. But we had to do this. It had to be done. Luke and I are 50-50 owners of the WAN show and so it has to be

broadcast on a different channel. What's left of it? Yeah. Why did you bother show? Ten years of down the drain. The way show. Oh, man.

Yeah. Okay. Well, hey. I don't know, man. Do we need to just do a dedicated video over on LTT? It'll get like no views because there's no, there's no floor anymore. Like if it's not, like just announcing a thing, YouTube just won't serve it. I don't really, I don't really know how to, I don't really know how to deal with this.

Should it be a combined update? Oh, that's pretty smart. Like a state of the union. Yeah. I'm kind of overdue. Maybe. Maybe it'd be nice to do one when there isn't like a scandal to respond to for a change. Yeah.

I could do a scandal. Oh, my God. No, because then it would get more views. Oh, my God. No, let's come up. Dude, my scandals are so lame. I bet we could come up with a better scandal. Okay, what could we do?

Okay. I mean, we've already like... Find some way that it's used. that is price fixing all the RAM. Oh, interesting. That's not a bad like April Fool's joke, but I don't see that as like believable. Hey, that's what you would say.

Yeah, that's what someone who didn't tell you about honey would say. I still haven't forgiven you for that. What? Okay, so for the people watching right now who saw one version of a narrative, Yeah, that's not what happened. You should just bring that up again. You should apologize again for it.

Oh, that's not bad. Collab with Coffeezilla. Apologizing for all of my previous controversies. You know what? 40-hour video. People have done apology videos before. Nobody has done a mega apology video before. A mega apology.

Nobody has ever apologized this hard. Learn the ukulele. You find like all the ways that people around the world apologize and you try to do it like. I still. I still have the Billet Labs monobloblog. Oh my fuck. I keep, no, I keep it in my office.

Apology auction. I was having fun for a little bit. I'm done now. Shall we do Wane after dark? I swear. Before her, uh, there's blood spilled on my carpet. I'm gone, dude. It's over.

You worry about it. watching anyway. The Vaughn's going to be even worse. Yeah, probably. Oh, man. All right. You know, you know the word didn't get out for it. Oh, man, I shouldn't even make this joke, but whatever, nobody's watching.

You know the, uh, there's so many people watching. You know, the, uh, you know the, the, the, the channel move didn't do very well when the button pal video did better than the last wet show. Oh, my. God. That's not good. That's not supposed to work. You know, maybe the show would be more fun if nobody watched it.

We could just say whatever. They're already not watching it. Exactly. Yeah, you're fine. Oh, man. Announce it on Bud and Pau. Yeah, there we go. There we go.

So what's your opinion on? Oh, no, I just, I bleeped it. Okay, after dark? Yeah, sure, let's do it. Bye. That button. Do you know how many live we had on this channel last week? More than that.

Oh, on this channel, I have no idea. Okay. I think combined it was just a little better than this. No, like, not combined, specifically just the Wanshell YT channel. Oh, about twice as good as last week. Okay, so it is. And it's been steadily climbing like the entire show. Okay.

Yeah, people are finding it. Okay. It's working. Like, not many. It doesn't help when I put the wrong link in the community post on LTT. I saw that. Thank you, Dan. You're welcome.

To be fair on Linus, they changed it to something else because I did the same thing, and then they changed it to some identity number, and then it broke. Very weird. So who's they? It auto-formatted it when I entered it. I assumed that was right, and then I didn't check it because I was busy hosting. And then I auto-formatted it, and then it did the same thing. Okay.

So to give you some idea of how much YouTube buries stuff that is that people are not engaging with, like, hey, here's another place you could find me. This has 14 comments. 14. So by comparison, our just like stupid troll statement about how we're, all our views will be deleted and you can find them at the VHS section on LTTStore.com. That has 900 from yesterday. So like YouTube has made it so you can't There's no mobility

You can't read your eyes Yeah Man sorry Mecca mecha tortoise in full plane chat Said Linus socks and scandals Sebastian socks and scandals I thought that was pretty good Oh that's pretty good

I would like scandals Scandal sandals What would scandal sandals be? I was thinking like a sale an LTT store when the Sox launch where it's like if you buy the socks and a product that had a scandal, then you get a discount.

Something like that, yeah. It could be funny. Oh, hey, I shot the announcement video today. For socks? For socks. Oh, that's actually really exciting. Are you guys excited for feet playing? The foot stream.

No, we're not doing that. You don't get to. Have you seen the finished product yet? No. Should I go get it? Yeah, I would love to. All right. If there's any comms, so you can hit Luke with them while I'm coming back.

Sure, let me... Sure, I'm not sure. I have any Luke-specific ones. Get ripped! It's because no one's watching. Argettful, Frank! The viewership's going up every minute. 50 times zero, so much more.

On the physical games discussion, would you guys be open to buying proprietary USB readers for cartridges USB reader cartridge for PC games made by Valve, like a switch cart but for PC. So like a USB

cartridge. So a cartridge. No, yeah, sure. proprietary USB reader, so it would be like a cartridge. Okay, you could cut the cartridge reader out of the top of a switch two and then glue it to a USBC cable.

Okay, so I I'm buying a device. You're buying a proprietary cartridge reader and the cartridges are sold by Valve. I mean, a very long time ago, Wandshow at the Langley House on the couch, I remember talking about this idea that I had that optical drives could turn into like authentication bays for consoles. So you could play console exclusive games on PC. I remember that.

If you put the disc in. Yeah. So this idea sounds a lot like that. that. They're saying basically, would you buy a proprietary thing, USB reader thing, that can authenticate games on PC so you could have physical versions of it? Like a Ubiqui key type of thing, but it's got your game license on it. I wouldn't, but someone would. And I think it'd be cool. I think someone would for sure. Be like a CD drive. That's what you could call it. If it genuinely gave you a content, content designator. A, yeah, a

Kind of. If it genuinely gave you like offline access or a digital video game device. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If it had like some kind of cool right to your data benefit like that, then I could, I could be interested in that. Why are you hiding them? Because you haven't seen them yet.

Yeah. It's a big reveal. They haven't seen them yet. This is final packaging and everything. Okay. Final package. I was going to say, I'm pretty sure they have seen them. Well, there's two killers.

Oh, I really like that purple, actually. Obviously, the black and gray, but like the... So I'm telling you guys this a little early, but here they are. I like the colors. We've got the branding nailed down. They're going to be called the Forever Sock. The branding actually... Yeah, it actually comes from...

It was right after Thunderbolts asterisk launched, and I was like, we were like, how should we brand these? Because we're giving them the limited lifetime warranty. but obviously nothing actually lasts forever and I was like well I don't know if Marvel can do it on a film I think we can do it on a sock so we did yeah forever asterisk sock copper infused full crew I think it's a great name right on it not actually going to last forever

but I think it's a great name I think I said this last time too I really like what's been going on with naming I think true spec is a fantastic name I think forever sock is a fantastic name The big selling points are going to be just the all-day comfort. Here, I'll let you, I'll let you unbox one. Wait, which one's your favorite color? You said you like the purple. I like the purple.

I'd probably get the black and gray ones, but I like the purple a lot. Okay, that's a whole conversation. That's like a thing in fashion. You have the one that looks poppy on the website, and then you have the one everyone buys. Yep. Yep, this one would like attract me to clicking on the thing. Yeah.

And then I'd probably buy the back. So the big selling points, and we'll go through this in more detail sometime when people are actually watching in the future. But it's the all-day comfort. So we've got so much cushion on the bottom that some of our internal wear testers reported that even though they normally wear slippers,

they just like didn't anymore. Whoa, yeah. Yeah. But obviously you don't want a sock that's that thick everywhere. So we have like a looser knit on the top So you get like vents So the breathability is really nice

Wow the difference between the bottom and the top is quite substantial Well yeah yep The the natural merino fibers in there Contribute to this is a funny one because we did Quantitatively test it And we found that the actual drying time of them Especially the thicker parts is like not that competitive but I've worn them and my feet have gotten wet

and they don't feel that bad. So even though we don't have a way of testing that, the wear-feeling wicking feels really good. Does Marino just wick pretty well in general? It's wool. It's like, yeah, so even though it doesn't like dry-dry because it's like a really dense weave

in order to get that really soft cushion, it wears really well. So we're not 100% sure how to market that. Yeah, like Rod is in floatplane chat. He's like, yeah, wool's amazing even when it's wet. And so, yeah, so we can't say that it's like, it's not like a high performance sport, a quick drying sport fabric or anything like that.

It's a wool. Like it gets saturated with water. It freaking is wet. But it still wicks. And so that's really important. And then the big one, the one that inspired the, like, the color of the forever branding on it is the copper infusion. And that's a big part of what makes them.

we're not announcing pricing today, but they are... Are you... Are you... Are you... True spec cabling this? In what sense? You kept warning everyone about the cost of true spec cables, then you said the cost, everyone was like, oh.

For what these are, I think they're extremely fairly priced. But for what they are... Rino socks, though. Like, if you want a little bit of shock factor, just look up how much, like, I don't know, darn tough's cost. With a limited lifetime warranty and with the copper infusion. So what's really cool about the copper infusion treatment is that this isn't some like, some like Forever Chemicals cocktail that they spray on it,

and then it comes off in a couple of washes and is all of a sudden in the water. Is it somehow like in the fabric? So Tatiana is actually writing and hosting the section of the video that is focused on the copper infusion, but basically there's like copper ions that are not just on the surface but embedded deep within the fibers that are non-compatible with fungus and bacteria fungi and bacteria so they like they can't live on it they just die and we did third-party lab testing to validate that I think over 99% of fungi and bacteria in contact with the sock. And obviously we didn't test every bacterium on earth

and every fungus on earth. But the sample ones, over 99% of them died. Maybe you should have. And we got a competing, like copper-infused garment just to kind of figure out like, okay, like where are we at on this? Like, are we competitive?

And what we found out was that it didn't have any copper in it at all. It was just a lie. So we didn't have time to like test another one yet, but that's something that we can continue to explore. But we think over 99% is pretty good then, I guess, given that other people are just outright lying about it and apparently haven't been called on it yet. That's pretty funny.

So the copper infusion is huge because when it comes to odor control, bacteria and fungus is like where body odor comes from. And so what I have found is that as much as this is not the kind of thing that you would admit to, you know, even, you know, with nobody watching typically. I can wear these. If I'm not doing like a heavy workout,

I can wear these for two, three, four days and they like don't smell. That is, yeah, you probably, yeah, you probably wouldn't really admit that too much. Which for how much they cost, maybe a key selling point. Yeah, honestly, yeah. Brinal wool socks are really, really brutal.

I like them. It's one of the things that I have splurged on a little bit is having some marina wool socks um i often do try to wait for sales or whatever but yeah here's the teal i think the i think the team nailed the colors i do really the colors are really nice and they're pretty even though they're like boldish they're pretty wearable which is nice yeah they're that's a wearable yeah purple it's not ultra vibrant it's more oh is that the right term for it maybe not vibrant yeah that's more what i'm trying to say It's obviously blue, but it's not like striking.

This is an earlier ID. This is from like years ago. Yeah. This would have been a little tougher to wear, even though it's a more black sock. The colors are more varied, like compared to that black sock. I think the blacks and the grays are more similar to each other. And you have that orange strip.

Yeah. So this is, this is just, just like a very yes, I can, I can wear this with my, you know, school uniform. Also, most of the coloring is in your shoe. Yeah, exactly. So we tried to not, we did, man, we did so many different designs and samples. And the whole process has been a nightmare, but. This is a lot of fabric.

It's a lot of sock in it. Yeah. They're, I've been wearing them all some of them. Did you want four times the sock in your sock? Well, here's a sock for you. I want it to cost four times. much. They're not going to be cheap.

I want to warn people ahead of time. These are not cheap socks. Marino wool products in general are kind of not for the weak of stomach. I remember, I think we launched like a shirt or some underwear or something or both. Yeah, we've done both. And people were like, what? And then people also just looked up how much that stuff costs. And they were like, oh, okay.

Pretty much, yeah. But you know what? It's like a Sam Vimes boot's economic theory. thing. I actually tell the story of like how... They do last a long freaking time. How this product came to be in the mainline video. And a big part of, you know, why we bothered was that the socks that I used to buy got skimflationed. And all of a sudden, I found myself going, okay, well, like, if I'm going to pay way more for my socks, I'd rather pay way more for nicer socks that last longer than paying way more to

keep re-buying the same crappy socks. Yeah. And so if that's going to happen, then, okay, fine, I'm going to go look for premium socks then. And what I discovered was that, yeah, it totally works. If you can buy the better thing up front, it lasts so much longer that you actually end up spending less. So that's where I kind of went, okay, yeah, we could, we could, we would do a premium

sock then, something that total cost of ownership. You know, you come back to like tech concepts, right? Well, what's the TCO of this sock? And I think it's not going to be that unreasonable. Anyway, I'm sure we'll have some more details for you guys whenever we actually launched them. But I'm sure the CW team is going to be upset with me. But stay tuned, guys. Stay tuned.

Before COVID, when I started boxing, a lot of the lateral movement and quick dashing stuff we were doing, really started wrecking shoes and socks very rapidly. And that's when I jumped the merino wool fence. Yeah. And I bit the bullet and bought a bunch of ice breakers. And I have re-bought, but never because any of them became unwearable. It's because I, like, lost socks. It sounds crazy, right, to wear wool socks for boxing.

Yeah. It's not. It's not, actually. I vastly prefer my LTT socks for badminton compared to just about anything else. One of the challenges that we ran into with a lot of the samples was getting the slip right. So you don't want it to be like sandpaper on your shoe because then your foot's going to move around in the sock. But you also don't want the sock to slip freely on the insul because then you're going to get friction. Yeah.

It's got to, there's got to be the right amount to slip. Yeah. At both. Like getting it right. It sucks. There's a lot of work. Yeah. It's very expensive though.

I know a decent amount of people that have like a pair and they have normal socks outside of that and then they'll wear it for like certain occasions, a hike or something like that. Yep. I only have two of these in my rotation right now because I haven't gotten any of the final samples. I only have pre-production samples. I should take these. Actually, I think they need them for B-roll for the video,

but I like save them for days when I know I'm playing batty tonight or like when I know I need them. Is there a golf set that includes three socks in case you get a hole in one. What? Nice. Wait for it. Wait for it.

Oh. Nice. That took me way too long. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, let's do a couple more comms and then let's get him home into bed. That's pretty good Lord. Have you gotten in trouble for driving the fire truck?

No, surprisingly. I daily drove it. Yeah, I daily drove it for a week. And then I drove it like for a couple more days. after and other than people it was like it was like hiding in plain sight it's like wearing a high vis

high vis like vest at like a uh because of how visible you are you become invisible exactly no one pays attention to a fire truck unless its sirens are on you're just a truck going down the road if anything you are less notable yeah but

but on the other hand people like get out of your way like it's it's actually a horrible horrible vehicle to drive. It's like, you know, a 90s fire truck. Like, yeah, it's terrible. You know, compared to my Taekan, obviously off the line.

It's not, you know, the lines, this line's still in front of us, boys. Come on. Harder on the pedal. Here we go. You know, it's not great. But in terms of, like, how much room people give you on the road, unparalleled, amazing. Oh, on the subject of parallel, sucks to park. Actually nightmare.

Have you had to parallel park it, like, between cars before? No, I would just, so like at the office, I would just drive way down the road until there's nobody. Yeah. And then I would barely be able to parallel park it at all. The visibility is terrible. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's really fun, though.

I'm sure people would be a lot more respectful than if you're, like, a 40-foot container type truck. Oh, oh, and I'm sure you could also just, like, park it on the, like, curb. You just curb it, go on the grass, and just be like, yeah, no, I'm. one's going to care. He was pretty good. You drove me around. Uh, was it once or twice, I don't remember, but you drove me around at least once. And I was, I was pretty impressed at some of the moves. It was good. At least you have to turn the wheel so much.

Oh yeah, yeah. It's like a workout. It looked like a bit of a workout. Yeah. Terrified. We made it, though. Up next. Hi, L, D. I have a second gaming PC in the living room. Show off. Can I run hexOS or true NAS with Windows or Steam OS virtual machine? so my GPU accelerated NAS can still be a game machine

and can you do an updated vid of the Use Game PCNet Okay, that one got cut off Okay, I think I see where you're going with this I wouldn't So what Sorry Because of anti-cheat

In most cases Running your gaming operating system As a VM is Not really as much of a thing anymore I haven't tried it with SteamOS admittedly, but even then, you're going to need to pass through a GPU to it if you want like near bare metal performance and you're running a consumer card. So if you were hoping for your GPU to still continue to accelerate NAS things like Plex

transcoding, you got to kind of pick one or the other or install another GPU. And at that point, what are we even talking about here? I think you just have that continue to be a NAS. And then if I was you, I would probably be looking into how to stream from your main PC over to the living room using something like Moonlight. That would be, in my opinion, the more practical solution to making your main PC accessible

in multiple places, and then just keeping your NAS your NAS. LLD, I force my wife to listen to the WAN show each Saturday during our weekend errands. That said, I work for meta in their data center turnup. What do you think of the Neo-Cloud spend on compute?

Data center turnup? I'm not sure what a turnup is. I learned that NeoCloud is like GPU compute centers. Yeah. I've never heard that term before. Okay. What do I think, I mean, I think, I feel like I talked about this enough earlier on the show where I kind of went. I think, I think it's out of control.

It feels very bubbly how much we're spending on all of this stuff collectively as a species. You know, I would, I would love to see us take a more measured approach to the buildout that involves less land grabbing all of the available silicon and more, you know, figuring out what are the constructive ways that we can use this technology. I'm not anti-AI and I'm not anti-data centers. But what I am is anti-consuming all the things with no semblance of a concept of a plan and that's really what a lot of it feels like. Yeah. I'm anti the fact that like all of its knowledge was effectively pirated, but it already

happened. Including what, 4,000 of LTT's videos? Yeah. You're welcome, I guess. Yeah, yeah. But like it's already out there. I think the, I think the fact that Mr. Dario seems to be publicly scared of, locally ran open source models.

Nice. Is like, yeah. Goaded. Based. Get owned. Um, and they're already out there, you. So what are you going to do now? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, who was it that was crying? Was this this week or last week about, about their poor AI models getting, getting, uh, scraped by Chinese copycats?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. How was that not in the dock? So funny. So funny. Freaking hilarious. Everything you have. Everything you have was scraped.

Freaking hilarious. I don't feel bad for you at all, bro. Dude. So, so yeah, so they were, yeah, okay, this was the whole thing. So they caught, they caught Chinese AI companies because you can kind of reverseish, engineerish, an AI model by asking it enough stuff and then just like taking the outputs of it. And then you can use that to kind of develop your own. model weighting, right? And so what they were discovering was that Chinese competitors were sending

across like many, many bought accounts, like hundreds of thousands of requests in order to fine tune their own competing products. And so they were begging with the U.S. government. Yeah, it was Anthropics, says Tim in the flip-plane chat. So they were begging with the U.S. government, oh, you have to stop these guys. You have to stop them from doing this. This is our, this is our private intellectual property. Take the fucking L. Well, they also seem to be going after... Eat your cheeriels. They also seem to be going after locally hosted models.

So good. By saying that it's super dangerous because they can't police like the people and monitor what they're doing with it in an attempt as far as I can tell to stop outside competition for doing the same thing they did of stealing all the data. Too bad. And also make it so that people would have to subscribe and used monthly payment versions and not be able to host things locally. Listen, if my... It's already out there, boy. If my shit's gonna be stolen, then everyone might as well have it.

Yeah. That's where I'm at. Pandora's box is open. It's open. There's no going back. We can't unsteal all the data. Deal with it. And you don't get to steal everything

and then cry foul when somebody steals it. I thought it was all in the name of progress, baby. Yeah. Well, this is progress now, bitch. And yeah, like, I mean, you can, you can say that you hate that everything was stolen yeah so do we

yeah but you you quite literally can't unsteal it and you can't unsteal it largely because of everything that got open source to be completely honest which I think was part of the reason why some of the big companies

started doing that in the first place interesting that's some pretty 3D chess yeah I had I had that thought quite a while of like why why are they open source and this stuff what possible benefit does it give.

Yeah. And I think it gives the benefit of the genius out of the bottle. You can't put it back in that. Yeah, we did it for everyone. It's out there. It's not even that we did it for everyone. And we could get it back. It's that.

We could go retrieve it again. Anyone could get it back and retrieve it again like that. Yeah. And it's been downloaded by so many people that you can't undo this move. It was, it was, that's, now that that has happened, there is no putting, yeah, all the stuff is stolen permanently. You can no longer unsteal it. Tim says it's really funny.

they call it an attack. Yeah. Yeah. The distillation attack. Because you're distilling information from the model, which is amazing because they distilled all of their information from everyone by pirating everything. Get wrecked. Is it like the scale?

Over 150,000 exchanges. You pirated way more than that. Yeah. Shut up. Yeah. I have no cares for them at all. Yeah. And it is this interesting thing.

I've heard a counter argument that's like, yeah, okay, but now you're just going to crush them. So what? But some new company that is going to benefit off of their stuff is just going to prop up. It's called shoulders of giants, boys. Yeah, sounds good. Let's stand on them because I'm sure not reaching a reasonable height on my own. But yeah, that doesn't bother me at all.

I just, I don't care for them in the slightest. Yeah. Last one I got for you. Yeah. Hi, Le Doingis. Currently sitting idle because of the 14. degree heat, nearly quenched my MRI. Did you know that there's a shortage in titanium tools for working on MRI equipment?

What caused this? I would have to imagine just like China, US trade stuff, but... I blame RAM. Okay. The truck brand, though, this time. Thank you, Dan. This is why he's the producer and not the on-screen talent. Oh, my goodness.

Oh. Titanium is mine. globally. Blah, blah, blah. Oh, yes, here we go. War. Linus laptop. China.

Never not be funny. No one watches the show. It's fine. But yeah, there's some theory of war. Yeah. Planes. Sure. Trains, automobiles.

Drones. Solid reference. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Sweet reference, you might say. Toilet sweet. You can probably just...

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