The WAN Show - The Future Of Wan Show - WAN Show January 2, 2026

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Last WAN show of its type. Actually, last week was the last WAN show before some major... Well, that's a bit of... Changes that we'll be talking about. Sure. I mean, do you agree that it's a very big change? It's... Sure, but I think...
Starting point is 00:00:16 Earth-shattering. That way makes it, like, less concerning. You just ruined all the... No, I think it's pretty concerning. Okay. Wandshow will never be the same. We'll be talking about that. We'll also be talking about that.
Starting point is 00:00:30 talking about all the tech news from this week, including, oh, really? GPUs are supposed to go up in price? Yep. No. We already lived through this one. Multiple times. This is double jeopardy. You can't get charged for the same crime twice. You can't be a witness for your spouse's crime. You can't live through a GPU apocalypse twice. These are fundamental. laws. This is, this is, we're beyond twice,
Starting point is 00:01:02 though. What else we got? Grok completely ruined my morning. Grock is being used to generate non-consensual sexual images of both adults and children. And it's like actually as bad as it sounds. We'll talk about that later. And apparently,
Starting point is 00:01:22 oh, I was going to go for bad news again. No, no, good news. Please, please, balance it out. So far we've got bad news, bad news, bad news, bad news.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Okay, this is going to sound like bad news, but I think it's kind of fun. Unlucky RTX 5080 buyer who received rocks did their own investigation, and they got their replacement from Best Buy. They won. Oh, well, that's good. Yeah. All right. Yeah. And it's kind of sick how they did it.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Let's go with that. There's nothing but like hacking into the files of the principal office. What's this? An energy vortex. Organic life force. Oh, how quaint. I seem to have discovered a portal into a parallel universe. Extraordinary.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Savages. I'll show you... The WAN show is brought to today by Vessie, Delta Hub, X-split, and motion gray. Alongside, of course, our rap partner, D-brand, our laptop partner, Razor, and our chair partner, Razor, who, if they thought they were going to be treated more respectfully than our previous... Wait, was it already upside down? You guys are such trolls. There. It's perfect. Perfect the way it was. If you didn't notice and you put it, if you hit the correct that way, that would have been so funny.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Almost. It almost happened. It was so close. All right. Why don't we jump? That intro was amazing. Who made that? I actually don't know. I would assume it was no key. I assumed that as well, but I didn't see like a thing or anything. So why don't we explain what the heck? It was not. It was not. Who was it?
Starting point is 00:03:31 I don't know. It was the team themselves. Really? Really? That's so cool. Okay. We should explain it. Reboot was a Canadian animated television series that was produced by Vancouver-based
Starting point is 00:03:45 Mainframe Entertainment alongside Alliance Distribution and BLT Productions and it originally aired on YTV from 1994 until 2001. That's right. Reboot was my childhood. That's what computer. computer animation looked like when I was a kid. Yeah, me too.
Starting point is 00:04:02 And it's notable for being the first made-for-television CGI series with full half-hour episodes. Reboot Rewind is an eight-part documentary series about the show that came out in 2024, and now the documentarians are collaborating with Mainframe to remaster the series from its original D-1 tapes. Okay, this says last Friday, because we put off this time. topic for a couple weeks, but recently, the reboot rewind team put out an update video on the progress of the D1 tapes being recorded. And Sven gave me the TLDR. Every episode has been captured off the D1 tapes, which was non-trivial. BTS machines are being used to capture the footage
Starting point is 00:04:48 at the original 576P, and LTT has actually been helping with this project for like two years now, supplying Kiyoxia drives for storing the footage, as well as helping pay. for some of the machines and parts of the machines. See, there was a big challenge getting even a single functioning working machine to read these tapes because media production, it moves so fast that no one's really thinking about how we're going to preserve all of this stuff.
Starting point is 00:05:19 And in the early days of computer animation and digital production, the standards were hardly even standards. And they didn't last very long. and they weren't interoperable. And when the manufacturing pipeline for making these things goes away, it's actually extremely difficult in some cases to make bespoke parts for these things. So needing to source stuff was rather difficult.
Starting point is 00:05:44 So we should have a video coming out in 2026 on LTT about this project. It's been literally years in the making now. And then at the end of the video, the reboot rewind host mentions, they happen to also have the D-1 tapes for Transformers Beast Wars, aka Beasties, as it was known in Canada, along with other cool old CGI shows that Mainframe Studios worked on, and they're trying to get in touch with people about remastering that stuff as well.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Shout out to Brian. He's the one doing a lot of the hard work to restore each episode, which is being meticulously checked for transfer errors and mastering glitches. Awesome. They also did the fun intro for today's episode. There you go. That was sick. That was very cool.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Also, Sven told me that the reboot Rewind folks shared some restored cutscenes from a reboot PS1 game, which is linked above. People will go nuts for these animated cutscenes because they've never been seen in better than PlayStation 1 FMV quality, seriously? Okay, that's pretty cool. That is pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Oh, my God, that looks clean, dude. Holy crap. She gave and take relationship.
Starting point is 00:06:58 She gave me the power to control the tears, and I took her life. And next time, the Guardian will be so fortunate. Here's a taxi! Now now, Hex, let's not be petty. Accidents can happen. This is the countdown to chaos! This is the countdown to chaos! damn dude doing this stuff back then was so crazy i know right oh that is so cool anyway um discussion
Starting point is 00:08:36 question talk about you know the value of media preservation what do we do to protect and preserve our work not enough i mean realistically oh man i feel like everyone probably feels like this in the moment i was about to say realistically i don't think it matters that much but then like someone's going to want some reference for even something as simple as how well received was this GPU at that time and if we don't keep the media from that time then we don't have it it's that simple yeah um and i think that's how a lot of things get forgotten but i got to tell you like when you're in the thick of it it's hard to it's hard to think about these things um why don't we move on to our next big topic which is of course uh sorry i'm looking for good news
Starting point is 00:09:27 we had we started with good news we did start with good news we could do bad news you know what no no let's do a little bit more moderate news okay there is a potential workaround for expensive hardware older hardware the Ryzen 7 5800X an AMD an AMD CPU from like 5 years ago has just hit the number one spot
Starting point is 00:09:55 as the top selling CPU on Amazon in the UK and even older CPUs or even older GPUs like the 5800XT are sitting at fourth place for GPUs on Amazon in the U.S. eBay
Starting point is 00:10:11 is currently flooded with people selling older hardware, CPUs, GPUs, motherboards, and yes, of course, older DDR4, and even DDR3 memory. And I want to shout out TechSpot here for doing a little article that Luke has actually been bugging us to do something about, which we are actually working on in the background as well, although a slightly different angle, but doing a little article talking about the usability of slightly older hardware. they showed that if you compare CPUs,
Starting point is 00:10:44 they actually tested 44 CPUs, and going as far back as the Risen 5-2,600, in modern games like Battlefield 6, you can still achieve a more than playable experience at 1080P high. And I think this is a really important thing for people to consider right now. It's like, this is not really,
Starting point is 00:11:08 our discussion question is not really a question. It's more of a statement. you don't need to buy new expensive hardware. Dude, one of my buddies from high school, his son is currently running, I might get some of the specs wrong, sorry, but I think it's like eight gigs of RAM, maybe 16, but I think it's eight, a GTX 1080 and a 7,000 series Intel processor, and he plays whatever that riot game shooter is, Valerant. Arc Raiders, and he was saying in Arc Raiders, he was getting over 80 FPS.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Just like, dude, these are, these are ancient pieces of hardware at this point. The 1080 doesn't even have like official continual driver support, but like, I don't know, whatever. If it plays the game that you want to play at, at like, 80-something FPS, why not? And like, do I love spending $100 on an old GPU like that? A very old GPU? No, I don't love that. But it's also 100 bucks.
Starting point is 00:12:10 but it's also a hundred bucks and there might be a better i'm not this isn't a suggestion that's a rig that i know of that's running yeah no 100 percent and here's a thing too is like i can totally understand people not wanting you know like being frustrated to hear like are you basically just you know telling me that you know two dolls ought to be enough for for a child they don't need 10 dollars or 20 dollars or whatever that ridiculous thing was no i'm not saying that at all i'm saying that channeling your inner scrapyard warrior is a great way to ride out times like this like I guarantee you I don't think I've actually ever asked to Luke this but I guarantee you that at some point he built a stopgap system sure something to tide you over while you
Starting point is 00:13:00 waited for something else to be more affordable or something else to release or when you were in between selling your last generation GPU and waiting for a deal on a new generation one or whatever. I mean, I had like, I think I've told you about this before where I was able to buy a platform upgrade through the Intel Retail Edge program, but I couldn't afford the rest of the upgrade for like, I think it was like half a year or something. And one of the ways that I was able to afford it was I sold my old platform and my old case. But that meant that I didn't have a case. I got the new platform, but didn't have a case. So I got this like hand-by-down case, but the power button didn't work. So I set up like a rubber band bow, basically, and a pencil
Starting point is 00:13:44 that was, so I could reach under my monitor and poke the pencil and it would press the on motherboard power button to turn the system on. And I had that for at least half a year. Nice. Whatever. Who cares? And that's totally... I think stuff like that's cool. And that's totally fine. Making stuff work is... Is cool. When did that not... I thought it was fun. When did that not be cool? I almost always, for a long time there, I apparently don't build my own computers anymore because the last two that I've had,
Starting point is 00:14:13 either you or your kids have built, but actually last three because there was a revision in that one case. So the last three, I mean, I had a little bit to deal with the one in the middle, but still. But before then, I would always include one thing that was just like a weird solution because I thought it was fun. Like there was one time I mounted my pump on a cut out piece of the mud flap of my old car to use as like sound deadening. So it was on this like rubber panel instead of a plastic panel in the case because it made it was just quieter and it worked and it was awesome and I like that part. So don't don't like feel bad about doing things like that.
Starting point is 00:14:51 I've always thought that's super cool. And something that's really important to note about stopgapping is that it can even it can even it can help. it might feel like well I'm buying something that is going to like go down in value and effectively like waste a bunch of my money instead of the thing I actually wanted so I might be better off just getting the thing I wanted but let me let me show you guys just some interesting math here right so at 1080 you can acquire pretty easily for about $100 and if you don't feel like paying shipping on it don't pay $200 yeah do not pay $200 if you don't feel like paying shipping on it or you worry that you worry that that something that you buy on eBay might not be working, Luke and I have both tested GPUs that we've purchased on local marketplaces live. Like, test it. Make sure that it actually works.
Starting point is 00:15:41 And the thing about an older GPU like this is that it's already gotten very low on its depreciation curve. Someone in Flip PlayChad earlier said 1080s have been around $100 for years now. If we go back to like a GTX 780, okay? Here we go. those are still like 45 bucks you know 25 bucks 70 dollars whatever they're that and that's a two generation older card right like wrap your brain around that you could stop gap with this 1080 for three or four years and it might lose another 50 to 75 dollars in value whereas if you could
Starting point is 00:16:24 wait a year or you could wait a year and a half on a current generation card the second that gets replaced by something, I guarantee you that you will gain more by just delaying that purchase than you lost by acquiring that stopgap card and then just reselling it. Like it's, I don't know, man. I don't know what to tell you.
Starting point is 00:16:44 It's kind of a frustrating thing because you know how we often have that conversation where it feels like there's this pressure from certain corners of the community for us to be more outraged, for us to like demand that NVIDIA lower their prices as if they're going to listen to us. I mean, I wish they would.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Obviously, prices are too high and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's all true, but at the end of the day, I mean, we did that video recently explaining that it's not just NVIDIA. I mean, Invidia has, Invigia is a very profitable company, but so is TSMC, who has a monopoly on the manufacturer of the chips Nvidia cells, and for that matter, so is ASML, who has a monopoly on the machines that TSM uses to manufacture the chips. that invidia sells and monopolies abound in the entire supply chain companies that are holding up nations yeah when you get to that scale and so it's one of those things where it's like yeah i could i could
Starting point is 00:17:39 demand that invidia lower their pricing but i i don't have that influence it's it's so ironic right because influencer is right in my job title and yet i can't influence companies to change their pricing and our discussion question here is is it frustrating that it seems to go the other way too because for over a decade you and I have been going yibbidi yabidi yabidi yackity yackety yackety yack at our audience That is what we sound like. Going, hey guys, you don't have to buy a brand new one
Starting point is 00:18:09 The second hand market exists Making do with something scrappier Is honorable and based Scrapyard Wars And it doesn't seem to mean anything Does it? Some people get it though Some people do get it.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Every once in a while you'll see a post on the, on the subreddit where someone's like, I did my own scrapyard wars and I came up with this or whatever. Those are your big moments for me. I genuinely love that. This was one that was... You're never going to hit everybody. I know. I know.
Starting point is 00:18:40 That's okay. This was one that was frustrating for me. This video bombed out of the gate. Like, it sucked. It's done okay in the longer term, which is heartening. It's whatever the opposite of disheartening is. remember this having issues out the gate though I do remember but you know what
Starting point is 00:18:58 in spite of it having issues out of the gate this video about you know scrapyard warring like a Facebook marketplace home theater set up for a fraction of the cost of even a crappy sound bar did inspire multiple posts
Starting point is 00:19:15 on the subreddit of people being like I had no idea this is so cool I love my setup now thanks for inspiring this that's awesome that's why we do it That's why we play the game. I loved it. I'm glad when people get the point.
Starting point is 00:19:31 I also find that you learn a lot more about your craft. Okay, I guess I'll concede that building computers is not quite as easy as adult Lego. But when it's all brand new out-of-the-box stuff, it is a lot more simple. And you're often dealing with like configurators on websites that are telling you compatibility things off the hop, all the blah, blah, blah, blah. When you're on the use market, you're trying to, you're trying to, you're trying to, you're trying to price min-max, and that often means mixing things together from different sellers in different areas and trying to make sure that everything's going to work and and trying to learn how to diagnose, like, on the spot, if you can go visit somebody
Starting point is 00:20:09 and be like, hey, can I bring a test bench to test this thing? I've done that a bunch and learning what program you should run to try to verify if it's legit on the spot, all those different types of things. You're learning stuff about your craft, which is kind of fun and cool. I have that old board, by the way. If you want to do, I don't know if you want to do a video on that or what, but the board with the wire repair, it's at my place right now.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Okay, yeah, that's probably an interesting one. So from SkyHard Wars, Scapyard Wars season four, there was a repair that, I mean, it goes above my head. I'm sure I don't understand it might understand, but I don't. There's a single wire
Starting point is 00:20:47 that runs from one fan header to another fan header on a very specific pin on each, probably power. but if that wire isn't bridging those two fan headers it doesn't work and if it is then it works perfectly fine and has worked perfectly fine for years like in some cases acting as like a 24-7 server for like months at a time and stuff like had no issues just as long as this this wire is bridging these two fan headers and this motherboard made magic smoke at some point yeah so i i don't quite i can't quite fathom it who knows but stuff like that's awesome like i that gets me way more
Starting point is 00:21:26 jazzed up than like some random new mother word what's that i can tell oh yeah anyways off that topic um what are we supposed to be doing dan how's it going over there oh he's chill he's chill he's chill he's five it out christmas energy's strong huh uh huh huh Uh, headline topic is technically the thing. Yeah, probably that. It's not ominous. How do you want to approach this? I mean, you're the one that keeps trying to let the cat out of the bag.
Starting point is 00:22:04 I'm not about, I'm not about cats getting out of bags. I keep cats in bags. I'm like a cat bag kind of guy. I don't think so. You leak a lot of stuff on Lancho. I mean... I don't know if you can... Yeah, but I keep all my cats and bags.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Are you going to use the proportional argument? argument. You have so many things too leak. I thought you meant literal. I thought you meant, yeah, no, okay, sure, figuratively. Yes, I let a lot of cats out of bag. All of my actual cats are in a bag right now. Oh, wow. All together. Yeah. No. I braced for the clarification. It's sad that it had to happen, but it did have to have it. The WAN show is officially as of yesterday under new management.
Starting point is 00:22:50 what well not really under new management actually the management is the same but the ownership is different this is a pretty major change going forward but I have I don't know
Starting point is 00:23:11 I don't know what you would call it but I have abdicated half of my ownership stake of the WAN show um people are saying sold out to mr. did sell out mr. Luke Lafranier he sold out to me it's official the wandshow is a 50-50
Starting point is 00:23:35 partnership between me and luke uh we have we have uh what's it called uh we've incorporated a new media holding company uh adequate media ink uh which owns the wands show So technically my half of it is actually owned by me and Yvonne because we are one person from a legal standpoint. So we own half of the WAN show. And then Luke officially owns the other half of the WAN show. We've had a lot of questions over the years about, you know, what is Luke's equity stake and this and that? And the answer has always been. Linus Media Group was founded and seeded.
Starting point is 00:24:20 by me and Yvonne and we've owned it 100%, but the WAN show clearly has two people in its soul and one of them is this guy, I think that
Starting point is 00:24:35 I think that for the WAN show to continue to be the WAN show forever. The only right way to safeguard its future was to have it be a Linus Luke
Starting point is 00:24:51 equal partnership so the change then the big change is that the WAN show is safe and that the WAN show will not change that's the big change
Starting point is 00:25:05 well it is a big change the WAN show was unsafe well no I mean it then it's not a change you and I have talked about it right that you know if you took a position somewhere else or that if I retired from making daily
Starting point is 00:25:18 tech tips videos or whatever that we wanted to continue to do the WAN show but that agreement right it's verbal it's handshake it's you know we're friends but it's not codified
Starting point is 00:25:34 it's not in black and white yeah there's no actual there's no guarantee that we'll be able to put together the correct financial incentives to ensure that whereas now it's very clear
Starting point is 00:25:52 yeah and I mean there's still like some people are saying like oh it shouldn't be 50 50 because someone should always be able to make decisions and stuff I'm like yeah I mean it's still kind of in Linus's hands
Starting point is 00:26:10 if we're being real about things he still owns Linus Media Group the people who basically like run WAN show operations wise are LTT people LNG people etc this is not like yeah however it's very cool symbolically that's today I don't know what I don't know what our however many years because when we've been talking about WAN show futures we've been
Starting point is 00:26:41 talking about like that we want to keep doing this in like 20 years yeah plus so this is a step towards it being reasonable to do this in 20 years. Exactly. For today, you know, what will probably happen is there will be an agreement between Adequate Media Inc. and Linus Media Group that Adequate Media Inc. will promote products and services, like float plane or creator warehouse or whatever. And then Linus Media Group will find sponsors.
Starting point is 00:27:19 And realistically, Luke is still employed as an employee of Float Plain and Linus Media Group and all that stuff. So for today, there's no change. But for a potential future where who knows what happens, this ensures that there's a strong incentive that's not, I mean, it's not just financial too, right? Like Luke called it symbolic, but I think it's more than just symbolic. I think it's I think it's Well those there's the there's the non-financial part of it right? Yeah
Starting point is 00:27:56 Do we talk about that? I mean sure I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to so go for it The like the agreement that you're just talking about Of like the services and whatnot are supposed to balance things out So this isn't like a I'm not like looting LMG No No
Starting point is 00:28:14 And the idea behind it is that that would never happen and the only time that the only time that any of this would matter would be if there was a major change to the status quo. We're just trying to get out ahead of it and make sure that everyone's on the same page that we want to make sure that WAN Show can continue for indefinitely.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Basically however long, yeah. Yep, keep the streak alive. Yeah, so like effectively nothing is really changing honestly, internally or externally. However, starting soon, we will start streaming the WAN show, on a different channel and on the LTT channel and then over time we will eventually some point stop streaming the WAN show on the LTT channel and it will move to a dedicated
Starting point is 00:29:04 channel either we will take over the LMG clips channel or we will create a new channel so you guys will have to go subscribe to a new channel in order to get your notification for the WAN show live stream and find the VODs and all that stay the path asks what about on float plane don't worry float plane streaming is not going anywhere for better or for worse sorry Luke we were close no yeah we'll keep going here
Starting point is 00:29:30 yeah yeah okay is there anything else did people have any kinds of like questions um a lot of people asking how this works for Dan Dan still works for Linus Media Group
Starting point is 00:29:48 he is an incredible incredibly valued member of the team but from like a you know there at the beginning standpoint that that was Luke
Starting point is 00:30:03 at this time but I you know what I really appreciate the community's love of Dan and flip plane chat is Dan they what can I say they love you they love you
Starting point is 00:30:19 yeah I'm here too all right should we should we move on to our next topic we've done this is three topics we've done now but yeah Dan doesn't listen to the show so what does he care topics don't care
Starting point is 00:30:39 topics don't care about your feelings should we talk about drones Oh, the U.S. blacklist new foreign-made drones from entering marketplace. No, no, the, oh, yeah, the market. Like, basically, you can't sell a non. Yeah, new non-U.S. made drones cannot be sold. I guess not saying the marketplace makes it sound like Facebook. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Yeah, no, it's just the marketplace in general. The FCC has announced a ban on new foreign-made drones and critical drone components, citing national security concerns, which, as an aside, kind of makes sense. A move that will heavily impact DJIs, rather specifically, which dominates the U.S. drone market. The ruling blocks companies like DJI and Outtel robotics from introducing new drones in the U.S. through existing models, though existing models are not affected for now. The FCC says foreign-made drones could enable surveillance, data exfiltration, and disruptive attacks, arguing that all future UAS, which is just basically UAV, but its system. instead of vehicle.
Starting point is 00:31:45 All future UAS hardware should be manufactured domestically to reduce risk. And these are not entirely ridiculous sentiments. No. Dron pilots and commercial operators have pushed back hard, warning there are no real alternatives to DJI's affordability and capability. Industry groups say many businesses could shut down without access to DJA hardware, while DJI itself calls the ban anti-competitive and claims multiple reviews have found its product secure.
Starting point is 00:32:14 It's, I mean, it's definitely anti-competitive, and there are downsides, major downsides for that. There's that whole thing where, like, China encouraged Tesla to come into their market to push their own players to be more competitive, basically, like, invite the big dog in to get your people to act up. Clearly, DJI is already in the States, and people are saying there is no alternative, so that's not exactly working stateside. So I had a chat with my brother-in-law. I've talked about him before.
Starting point is 00:32:49 This is the company that he works for. It's pretty cool, by the way. They're basically they're building a platform that is designed for individual drone operators to be incentivized. You can actually kind of see it in this visual here. Be incentivized to capture high-resolution drone imagery for global. mapping and not just like mapping like like Google maps but more like the kinds of high detail models of our cities and the world that could be used for things like mineral exploration
Starting point is 00:33:29 or for one of the ones that he brought up for me was like firefighting there's all kinds of cool stuff that you cannot do without a a high high resolution map and there currently is not a practical way to capture that that isn't just flying drones with high resolution cameras over every square inch of the globe and then ingesting all of that data and making it accessible that's the that's the challenge that they're working on solving and um yeah yeah el anner says um spexy is crowdsourced g i s which is honestly so cool except like except like even better um it's really really cool tech uh anyway the point is that you know when this announcement hit uh he and i were actually on a beach in cabo and his phone just like
Starting point is 00:34:28 started started exploding because like their entire industry is sitting there going what do we do now yeah okay so the We're supposed to use a domestic drone. What fucking domestic drone? What are you even talking about? Yeah. Okay. Well, guess what?
Starting point is 00:34:49 Just like it always is. There's a political, there's a political angle to it. Oh, is there like some company? Is there some company? Oh. Oh my God. I'm trying to use your website. This is terrible.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Second new board. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah. blah, blah, blah, advisory board, blah, et cetera, drone company. Yeah, of course there, of course it is. Super cool. That makes sense. Yeah, I definitely, if we completely ignore that part, because, like, obviously, I don't
Starting point is 00:35:24 know, the, what is it, the Donald Trump. It doesn't seem obvious to everyone. It doesn't seem obvious to everyone. Fair enough. But even if we ignore the clear corruption issues, I understand why they would want to do something like this future warfare like even if you look just within the confines of the ukraine war oh yeah future warfare has completely changed um and it is extremely drone based at this point and if you don't have domestic drones and if you're like yeah our entire domestic drone industries
Starting point is 00:35:56 um actually just dj i can totally understand why that would be very concerning i think there are other ways to solve this i think there are ways to incentivize um you know like stateside drone companies, straightside drone manufacturing without just banning competition. But I can understand why, from a defense perspective, you would want to make sure that you're protecting, not necessarily banning competition, but protecting your own drone manufacturing. I think there's a variety of ways to do that that aren't banning it. The only thing I'm saying is that I understand why they're doing this, not that I necessarily agree with it. Yeah, I think, you know, subsidizing, promoting, doing something to push local drone manufacturing and research would be a good idea
Starting point is 00:36:44 instead of, you know, banning competition and then setting up your family member for an el-up. Nepotism is pretty cool, though, I guess. Anyways, next topic. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I feel like I might have had a, no, I guess I don't really have anything more to say about that. we'll we'll see how it goes it's going to drive up the price of existing models for sure um it's going to it's going to cause a delay in the in the quality of available drones in the u.s compared to
Starting point is 00:37:24 other markets where dj i will continue to export and continue to innovate yeah the mass manufacturing will be the problem people have been able to make drones at home for a long time i do kind of wonder what this will look like for parts did it mentioned parts in here drone market okay yeah so critical parts it doesn't just include parts
Starting point is 00:37:46 so the FPV community is like losing their minds too because even things like it's not full drones it is drones and parts is what you're saying and critical parts yeah yeah so it's like where are you going to get like a your US made processors and motors and everything yeah that's
Starting point is 00:38:02 that's like years out I think at the least. Yeah, well, we'll see how it goes. If kind of ever, that'll be interesting. We'll see how it goes, man. Actually, this is a good question. Is this going to be as good as the, is the Trump-backed drone company
Starting point is 00:38:21 going to be as good as the Trump phone? Did that thing ever get, did that thing ever get delivered? Let's have a look here. Oh, yeah. No, it exists today. What is this? Okay, yeah, first ever smartphone is delayed, and the government shutdown is to blame.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Oh, okay. Oh, nice. That's good. That makes sense. Why does that make sense? What would that have had to do with anything? Same coverage as the whatever. Okay, yeah, so they're still pretending that this is going to be a thing.
Starting point is 00:38:51 Is there still anything on here about it being like made in the USA or is that gone now? Because at the beginning, it really was built for people who expect more. Okay, it seems like they have removed. they've removed anything about it being American made so it looks like there are some designed with American values in mind so they have a refurbished
Starting point is 00:39:17 S-20 oh they have additional phones now they have refurbished phones and then okay proudly American what does that mean designed with American values in mind with American hands hands behind every device
Starting point is 00:39:35 it is amazing how much you can pretend to say something and not say it it's brought to life here in the USA that doesn't American proud design
Starting point is 00:39:50 none of that says or means made in the USA none of it that oh man I don't even know why they care I don't even know why they bother to pretend Because it's not like anyone's enforcing anything anyway
Starting point is 00:40:08 So they might as well just say it's made in America at this point Someone linked to this list Yeah the blue list It's a cleared list of drones But it says specifically It's a cleared list for drones approved for DOW Which I think is Department of War Because they renamed Department of Defense
Starting point is 00:40:28 Sure And there's like there are Skydeo drone and other various things on here, but I don't know if this is consumer cleared or if this is just Department of War cleared, I'm unsure. This is great. Kitty Kitty says, Don't try to understand the grift.
Starting point is 00:40:45 It's just a grift. It's like closely inspecting a brown paper bag on your doorstep. You already know what it is. Get out of here. Yeah, that's fair. Comical. Sort of.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Oh, we could do it. tech house update yeah i was there today we took possession uh three days ago and i didn't get a chance to go there until we did our shoot today so if you haven't been keeping up there was a video on the l t channel where we went shopping for a tech house and the idea behind it was pretty straightforward we've done a lot of kind of upgrades in in my house to the point where my house is fine and we don't we don't, oh yeah. Are your auto lights fine? Well, no, but that will fix. Actually,
Starting point is 00:41:38 In Aveli's shipment of new lights with millimeter wave detection that are going to be way better and I'm really excited about have lots of fixes compared to the ones I'm using now is like in customs clearance right now. Like I am stoked to finally have the
Starting point is 00:41:54 lighting experience that I promised my family years ago. Anyway, that's besides the point right now. The point is, we don't need to make another video of Linus Upgrades his living room TV every other month. My living room TV is fine. And so this tech house is going to give us kind of like a, it's almost like a test bench. It's like the computer test bench of like not just smart home stuff because I think there's
Starting point is 00:42:23 kind of a limited audience for people who are interested in home automation, but also just practical deployments of technology whether it's computers or TVs or audio equipment or I mean okay do you remember that video that you did years ago on using a projector for like tabletop gaming oh whoa okay yeah okay bit of a bit of a deep cut what would what what I wasn't trying to cut anybody no no deep cut means like an old reference I don't think it does does. I think it does. No, I think it means like a wound. What am I trying to think of then? I don't know. A bit of a deep cut refers to a significant wound that might need medical attention according to AI. No, like the whole chat is saying that I'm right. Luke does know this one. Really?
Starting point is 00:43:16 Yeah, it's just slang. Oh, okay. I thought, I thought it's like, I thought it was like a like a stab don't twist. Like that's a bit of a deep, that's a bit of a deep cut. I'm sure it is also used for that. uh okay bit of a deep cut slang meaning uh on a record a deep cut is a song judged to be less commercial or radio friendly uh i like genuinely the entire chat there's got to be something to it urban dictionary a song by an artist boomer dictionary at this point my guy true fans of said artist will enjoy or no okay song obscure work okay well that's clearly closer to your definition than it is to mine so sure yeah yeah let's go with it but you're also on boomer dictionary um anyway sure it's just it's just a I don't think that video like did well and it's super old oh yeah so it's just a surprise I don't even know what I would type in to search for it yeah don't worry about it the point is that like we we want to we want to use this place as an opportunity to talk about building a sick
Starting point is 00:44:28 tabletop gaming space or building a super cool maker space. Dude, there's a lot of really cool stuff you can do these days. Oh, I know. The whole projector game thing has been like very leveled up. There's some really awesome stuff you can do. Yeah. And so pretty much what we were looking for was a place with really good bones and with reasonable ease of use for upgrading them.
Starting point is 00:44:55 because okay yeah it might have been more realistic for us to find a place that didn't have a crawl space for instance right that we were going to be ripping off drywall for absolutely every single wire we were going to run stuff like that right but that's not we're not a home renovation channel this is our first kind of kick at this can we wanted something that we could we wanted something to cut our teeth on so we got a place that not only has a really nice crawl space under the entire main floor, which is sick. That'll be sick for doing this type of stuff. Yeah, it's not tall. Like, in order for me to get down there, I have to be completely almost like, like, butt down to the ground and it's like here. So, you're pretty much crawling. It's a literal crawl space. Good name. But it also has a, it has a little, like I think it's called a dormer like it has one room that's on the second story in in the front and we're going to we're thinking we're going to convert that to like a media room and then it has a couple little crawl pathways along the side of that as well so it's got really really good access
Starting point is 00:46:10 to getting fishing wiring down or up into wall spaces and it's actually this video is going to be really fun because in the first one we just kind of do a high level overview because we're just touring it because we were shopping whereas in this one we really start digging into some of the really weird stuff the previous owner did like he was obviously in a different way a pretty techy guy okay one of the bedrooms has i kid you not three rj 11 jacks in it there's all like like like a phone line yeah yeah yeah yeah there's also an rj 11 jack next to the toilet no okay that that was a thing very odd but yeah that was a thing i've always thought that's weird yeah to have a like what happened about you just unplugged my head oh sorry i'm fidgeting oh man uh no to have a like
Starting point is 00:47:02 a uh a phone in your bathroom oh man what happened it's fine don't worry but oh that we're good um the wancho quality is not going to get better as a result of any of this just so you guys know um Yeah, toilet phones were, were a thing for sure. I always thought it's kind of pretty unsanitary personally. Sure, yeah, yeah. You're just putting it on your face. I get it.
Starting point is 00:47:32 I can sleep both ways. Yeah, sure. But it's the three in the bedroom. That's interesting. Yeah, I couldn't quite wrap my brain around it. He had a CD player in his kitchen, which I thought was pretty cool. Nice. Man, there's, oh, my God, I swear.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Wasn't there like, I think I saw in the video. you could like play music throughout the house on like the on that CD player I think so yeah one out of every three like duplex receptacles like power outlets had one of those six gang ones like bolted onto it he was a major fan of power strips and extension cords like um he had he had an interesting system where you could only run either the dryer the closed dryer or you could run this extension cord 240 volt outlet that he had just like coiled up using in-wall wire and just like into an octagonal box like thing that he had in his garage so he had like a 240 volt extension cord in his garage that you could not run at the same time as the dryer and he had a kind of sick a sign above
Starting point is 00:48:39 the dryer in german not to run it at the same time as the one in the garage kind of sick yeah like it's honestly like people are saying that sounds bad i don't know enough about that being like dangerous or not, but it sounds pretty great. Oh, it's, it's, let me put it this way. I think this guy's idea of safety first was the four fire extinguishers that he had in his garage. Rather than just, I don't know, not starting a fire in the first place. Like, you would just, he'd be like, yeah, I'd love to have a cable outside the house. So I'm going to just take a big long drill bit.
Starting point is 00:49:20 and go through the wall like that was his way and he's got like a shed in the back he he had a bit of an infestation so we found that in the inspection report which Colton did not share with me until after we I mean a lot of the places around here
Starting point is 00:49:38 bought it and took possession so anyway this ain't Alberta yeah infestation major infestation his solution was these little noise makers that you plug into yeah they were like everywhere noise makers. Yeah, it didn't help, obviously.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Yeah. So I'm kind of thinking tech house cat, we just get a pet and keep it there. And then that'll take care of it. Colton doesn't want to do that, though. He wants to, like, hire an exterminator. I think that's so dumb. I think a cat would take care of any rodent issues
Starting point is 00:50:07 around this house, like, quick styles. Dude, I don't, I don't see. Oh, I shouldn't say that. I have seen mice in my house. They were dead. Or, a fish tank thing okay well yeah yeah yeah those were pets sort of it was complicated they're temporary pets and eventually they were dead so the system clearly works it did
Starting point is 00:50:32 it worked exceptionally well in that case um yeah linas just wants another cat i mean eh uh yeah another cat's not a bad thing um i'm not trying to think what what else is there to say about it oh there were some other things that were found in the inspection report that I found out about today. Yeah, are you saying those? Yeah, sure. Apparently there's...
Starting point is 00:50:56 Particularly bad. Yeah, you know about the foundation issue? Yeah. Foundation and drainage issues, so... Oh, I didn't know about the drainage one, too. Yeah. Usually they, as far as my understanding goes, they often go hand in hand, but yikes.
Starting point is 00:51:08 So I guess we're going to have to... I guess we're going to have to figure that out. But, dude, I'm excited. This does sound like bought a house in Vancouver. vibes. Not Vancouver, but I'm saying that for the... Greater Vancouver area.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Yeah, the public audience. But sort of how it goes. A lot of them have infestations. A lot of them are old and have foundational problems. A lot of them have previous owners who just kind of yoload stuff. Oh yeah. There's a lot of that. Unlike Australia where it's like apparently illegal to make improvements to your own house
Starting point is 00:51:42 if you're not certified. Do you know about this? You don't know about this? No. That sounds annoying. Well, yeah, but the flip side is that I bet they probably don't have stuff like we saw in this house. I mean, their housing market is just wrecked, so.
Starting point is 00:51:56 I mean, so is ours. So, yeah, there's that. Yeah. And maybe I misunderstood that. Anyone, anyone from upside downland can verify for me? Anybody? Anybody? Beeler? Dylan K.A. says, I have an illegal back deck in Oz.
Starting point is 00:52:17 Didn't get counsel approval. Apparently, electrical is a no-no. Yeah, says old Tom. There you go. 100% true in some ways. Okay, yeah, there you go. Mee Gore says, would you trust a criminal to fix their own home? They're not all criminals.
Starting point is 00:52:33 They're just descended from them. Total different, totally different ball game. Okay, I don't believe in the sins of the father. Okay, that's not how this works. So, dude, this place is, like, downright scary, some of it. Like, I found this, like, rotten box in the box. backyard that just had an outlet in it that there's no way that it was watertight and that outlet had one of those freaking six outlet things oh no this in the yard like why he didn't even
Starting point is 00:53:04 have more than one thing plugged into it so why he just he just put them everywhere just put them on everything oh god no please stop he just really liked his power i think james said that we had two built-in vaks, one that ran to like a couple spots and then one that was running somewhere else. I didn't actually verify that. I didn't double-check that because it didn't make any sense to me, but maybe he's right. Maybe he's right. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. It's going to be cool, though. It's going to be, I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I, uh, as I was walking around, half of me was really excited about all the cool projects that we can do and then the other half of me was like oh god have we bit off more than we can chew like
Starting point is 00:53:49 it's obvious that there's a couple little things that they did just to prep the place for sale they they like they just obviously redid the uh the main bedroom on sweet bathroom like like all modern it has a sliding barn door entrance and it has like freaking barn doors i know oh they're awful. Why even have a door? They're sewed up. They don't block any sound. They don't block any smell. It feels like you're declaring that this door will always be open. And then if that's the case, like, just have it be a pocket door and then we can ignore it or just have it not be a door, I guess. Yeah. That's an option too. Yeah. You could just be like all those hotel rooms
Starting point is 00:54:28 that just don't have a bathroom door because apparently, you know, every couple in the world wants to watch each other's shit. Yeah. Which I don't, I don't fully understand. Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to yuck your yum or whatever, but like, I just don't need it. Yum. So, yeah, what was I going to say about it? Yeah, right. So they redid the main on-sweet bathroom, and it looks so out of place, like just completely out of place. They did like a, like a granite or marble countertop.
Starting point is 00:55:08 and then like this new shower that David Pancratz was there today. He was like, oh, that's a Costco shower. I was like, okay, yeah. And then, and so they did that. They put in a bunch of new, like, vinyl plank flooring in some places, and then they just left the, like, pink carpet or whatever it is. It was 90s. It was the 90s.
Starting point is 00:55:25 It was a different time. They just left out other places. Pink carpet was a thing. And then they, but then apparently the inspection report found that it was either the onsuit or it was the main floor. bathtub is just draining directly into the crawl space. Oh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:45 So like, it's completely cosmetic. I found a can of paint in one of the closets that just says all walls. So like classic throw a coat of paint on it, redo the main onsuit bathroom, put some vinyl plank down, slap some lipstick on this pig and get this thing sold. and we bought it nice yeah to be fair i think that was going to be the situation for all of the places that you're looking at that price point yeah more or less i mean no we did find stuff that was not that much more that was pretty moving ready but we also didn't want something moving ready you wanted to work on stuff yeah we didn't want to go into a place that was perfectly nice how much was it is that disclosed throw away a bunch of stuff um i mean i think people could find
Starting point is 00:56:38 it easily enough. So it was actually, I don't know what the final, I don't know what we paid. Okay. Because I know that we did negotiate because of like, oh yeah, your foundation has problems. And like, that can be a pretty big one. And your, like, drainage has issues. And there's all this stuff that's not up to code. Like, I think there was a bit of negotiation, but I think the list price was 1.3.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Okay. Yeah. So there's definitely ones there. There's very, there's very moving. ready stuff but this place I thought it was like pretty lower than that but this place has a yard which is not a given
Starting point is 00:57:16 around here no and it's a it's like a reasonable sized house you think with the amount of space Canada has that we would make that a thing but nope well you know here's the thing right like are you going to show the map of BC yeah I'm going to show I'm going to show the map of BC let's educate the masses yeah so Canada's
Starting point is 00:57:32 is really big but also the Mercator projector projection makes it seem a lot bigger than it is if you actually look at like like on a round globe okay i mean it's still really big though it's still really big but it's also like it's not that big like remember remember the news cycle recently that was like hey does anyone actually know that africa is like enormous enormous and that europe is like not um because like you know like africa is like not that much smaller than like freaking asia like it's freaking huge like did anyone did anyone realize you know
Starting point is 00:58:08 know any of this? Do anyone know that Brazil is like freaking the size of the U.S. pretty much? Not quite, but like on a Mercator projection map these things do not look right. Anyway, the point is that while Canada
Starting point is 00:58:24 is very large, indeed, I'm just going to go ahead and put the old mountain range. The top of the magography. So yeah, here's a big part of our problem. there is like
Starting point is 00:58:40 one little tiny flat part of British Columbia and then it's just all it's all just there's like a little there's a little valley here there's another one here
Starting point is 00:58:58 this one's kind of part of the same one and then up here is just here be ice dragons basically for all of this and then yeah we have some we have some planes that also are full of ice dragons for half of the year and then you can kind of you go south enough that it's livable again for a bit and then here be mountains again and more ice dragons and more ice dragons so canada just actually there's a lot of ice dragons yeah there's a ton of ice dragons uh yeah whereas like in america
Starting point is 00:59:38 They do have mountains, you know, they have a lot of the same problem as us sort of through this area here. But then they also have just like, oh wow, look at all this like perfectly flat, not infested with ice dragons land that is really useful. A lot of wind dragons. That's true. Definitely wind and rain dragons. Yeah. They got their own kinds of dragons down there. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess we could do that.
Starting point is 01:00:08 So, yeah, excited for Tech House. It's going to be great. I'm not going to think about it too much right now because I got CES next week, but I'm going to get back and it's going to be fun. How did you get out of CES anyway? I was kind of looking at the year and going like, okay, there's two like CES-like shows
Starting point is 01:00:28 that are in heavy contention. So basically you just want to go to Computex. Yeah. I'm going to bring Nick and Lucas. And we're going to try to go see, I'm trying to talk to some brands. There's a couple brands that are interested in doing this right now. But we want to go see, you know how we've been doing this like kind of tour of testing and validation and performance testing labs?
Starting point is 01:00:55 We want to go do that, but also in Taiwan. We want to see how they design and test power supplies like at their actual location. Oh, that's cool. Do different things like that. it's proven a little difficult to get through to companies, but I think it's because we're not super close to Competext and everybody's focused on CES right now. So hopefully after CES,
Starting point is 01:01:16 the conversations will kind of prop up. But I was looking at like, you know, with no sponsor or anything for the labs side, bringing down either myself or myself and two others, which were the two potential plans, and then paying for flight accommodations, all that kind of stuff for a week, what am I going to get out of this event?
Starting point is 01:01:38 And it was like, I don't know. I can maybe swing one event for the year. And if I can tie on these like potential brand tours of like seeing how these things are performance tested, seeing how these things are designed and whatnot, to the CompuTechs one, that sounds a lot more valuable.
Starting point is 01:01:56 So I'm going that angle. Also, you just would rather go to Taiwan. we don't need to discuss that part sure we don't need to discuss it because you know and I know that all of that whatever that I might hardly even listening to not like Vegas and I might really love Taiwan but I think that's irrelevant really really I think my other I might have I might have constructed a scenario where one makes a lot more sense than the other one yeah I'm pretty sure that was what that it might also be very reason Yeah, it might be a pretty good construction.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Plausible, you might say. It might be almost entirely designed to get Nick and Lucas there because I already had mechanisms to get myself there. Listen, your justification can be whatever it wants to be. I'm not going to crash out about it. What a segue, dude. And what a first merch drop of the year. The crash out t-shirt.
Starting point is 01:02:57 Yeah, I guess I can also. there it is boys you ever have those moments where for like half a second throwing your laptop across the room feels like a totally reasonable troubleshooting step me too and that's what this shirt is for when your patience is basically gone and you're still pushing through it anyway it comes in tall it's printed on our super comfortable blank t-shirts and comes in both regular and tall if this shirt feels uncomfortably relatable for you
Starting point is 01:03:33 you can get yours at LMG slash crash out so here it is on the global store also available on the US store and it looks a little something like that get it in any size you want
Starting point is 01:03:51 and any length you want as long as it's black what else do we have for the store this week ah yes this is less of a this product is available and more of a this product is coming extremely soon be ready LTT true spec cables are coming these cables are crafted with care built with a strain relief that bends with the cable instead of against it reducing stress where breakage often happens we have paired that strain relief with a supple silicone jacket that resists UV damage, kinks, and tangles.
Starting point is 01:04:29 And the high-speed conductors are... Actually, here, can I bring that up on your screen? Yep. And the high-speed conductors are individually shielded to reduce interference and keep your transfers running. Every connection feels effortless
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Starting point is 01:05:34 at LMG.g.g slash cable signup. Now, it is worth noting that you guys might look at that 15 watts on the one that was on the left and go, well, that seems pretty weak at a time when you can do up to 240 watts on a USB cable. That's because that has a type A connector at one end.
Starting point is 01:05:54 And when we say true spec cables, we mean that we are remaining true to the spec. So there are technically products that exist within the USB ecosystem that are not to spec. Extensions, for instance, exist, but from chatting with Tynan about it, they are not spec. Like, there is no accounting for the connector losses
Starting point is 01:06:18 and the losses from the length that we're adding to these cables. When you plug a cable into an extension, You just got to like pray to Thor that it's going to work because that's about your best shot of ensuring that it's going to. And that doesn't mean that it won't work. It just means that it might not. So we are sticking with whatever the, we're sticking with whatever the maximum official spec power and data transfer is within the USB specification for any given length. So what you might notice is that our longer cables, even using the same connectors at the ends, might be rated for a slower data speed. That doesn't mean that you might not get a better data speed if you happen to have, you know, really tolerant devices at either end.
Starting point is 01:07:11 But we aren't going to guarantee it. We're all about true spec on these. I really like the name personally. Yeah. Yeah. I think it makes a ton of sense. Frosty Kiyoga says the markings nice. I had to Sharpie a label onto my only 10 gigabit per second capable cable.
Starting point is 01:07:31 Yeah, right? Like, it's so annoying. So that was a big part of where this came from. It's like, in my life, I have 1,000 USB cables, but never the one I actually need in a given moment. And whether it's that they're not rated for a particularly high speed, and I'm doing a big transfer, and I'm like, oh, God, is it faster to go get another cable and restart it?
Starting point is 01:07:50 or is it faster to just wait for this to finish? I don't know. Or whether you get one of those ones that only has the conductors for charging in it and you plug it into your phone and you're like, is it my phone being weird? Like it's not in data transfer mode? Or is, okay, I'll go get another device
Starting point is 01:08:06 or is it this cable? I just want to eliminate uncertainty from my life. So with the LTT cables, I know that whatever I'm holding, a type C to type C at this length is whatever the best cable could be for that and I'm G to G
Starting point is 01:08:28 so this is this is a longer one so this is a 20 gigabit per second 240 watt you're trying to show how long is? Oh yeah sure why not I mean it's gonna go past so I think this is what a six footer or something like that looks like it might be a little longer yeah
Starting point is 01:08:43 anyway this is the one that I carry around for charging my laptop and it is worth noting that we are not doing Thunderbolt cables at this time. So these are all at most USB 4. VGA?
Starting point is 01:09:00 VGA. You don't mean like actual VGA. You mean like display cables, right? Yeah, VGA. Yeah, so we're so we are not doing display cables at this time. Just see how well these go, I guess. We're gonna see how we gotta, we're,
Starting point is 01:09:15 this is something I think people often forget. It's a new segment. Dude, speaking of people often forgetting this is 16 skews we are a pretty small company and this is 16 skews no this is 16 lengths for each connector type double it this is 32 skews oh that doesn't that isn't what it sounds like oh i understand for each connection yeah all right so so what a lot of people forget is that in the grand scheme of things we are actually still a pretty small company so we need to we're dipping our We're going to start with USB, and then we're going to make sure that people actually, you know, care and are willing to pay for, you know, a silicone jacketed, um, properly shielded, high quality cable. And if people care about that, then we would love to explore doing HTML, display port, um, audio cables that I stole from Tyne in, uh, on a bunch of my trips. And I'd
Starting point is 01:10:17 show it off all the time and people who liked it. It's very nice. Yep. But just because people like it and just because it's very nice doesn't mean it will be commercially successful. So we've really just got to wait and we got to see how it goes. And that's how you, that's how you kind of build, that's how you build a business. That's how you build momentum. What? Actually got a merch message. Uh, asking about display cables. Maybe we want to have a look at that one too. Which ones? Uh, asking about display cables. That's what we were talking about this whole time, Dan. No, I mean, this has more specifics, if you know what I mean. Oh, sure. Yeah, why don't we do that merch message then? If you guys are, oh, right. So if you want to get notified once these drop,
Starting point is 01:10:59 because I can tell you that our initial order quantity, we have no idea which lengths are going to be the big sellers. We went a little tentative on things. So if you want to get what you want to get, go to lmg.g.g slash cable signup. Make sure that you're on the newsletter, and you will be notified as soon as these drop we have taken our time with this we have done it carefully done it thoughtfully and i'm actually really really proud of this product i'm very very excited to launch this super cool uh okay so yeah why don't we why don't we do merch messages if you're not familiar with the show merch messages are the way that you interact with it instead of just throwing money at your screen you throw money at lttt store dot com which luke is going to bring up on his laptop right now
Starting point is 01:11:45 which is of course a razor laptop laptop partner there you go yep yeah look this is what their logo looks like when it's upside down um um anyway just go ahead add something to your cart maybe our new crash out t-shirt and instead of yeah throwing money at your screen you can throw money at lTT store.com get quality merchandise in return and you can leave a merch message so you just add something to your cart go ahead leave a merch message you can color code it however you like you can keep it anonymous you can show your first name and last initial and then you go ahead and check out it'll go through to producer dan who will reply to it or who will just like put it up down here or who will curate it for me and luke to talk about so we'll
Starting point is 01:12:32 show you how that works yeah so i did get one asking about the display cables hey there you talked about your cables a few shows back and i was wondering what might or would come earlier a displayport with a chip or an HTML cable with the fees and development costs and all of that. That is such a good question.
Starting point is 01:12:52 That is a good question. What I suspect is that we'd probably get into HDMI with the fees before we would get into a USB cable with a chip. Although this could come down
Starting point is 01:13:06 to what our manufacturing partner has more ready to go because even though this exact design does not exist, elsewhere that we are aware of because no one would be crazy enough to build a cable like this. You're still working with a... We are still obviously working with a factory that makes cables.
Starting point is 01:13:25 And they have certain capabilities. And so if they already have a lot of expertise on the Thunderbolt chip side of things, then yeah, doing a Thunderbolt chipped cable might make a ton of sense. Or if they have a ton of experience on the HGMI side, that might make more sense. Tynin's actually been working with them a little bit. Oh, actually, CatOS is right. They do have a chip, but it's not an active cable. So that's the clarification here.
Starting point is 01:13:53 Yeah, PD does require it to communicate with devices, what his capabilities are. I do appreciate that CatOS was like, these are a true spec. They say they have a thing. That means they have a chip. So when I say chip, I mean a Thunderbolt chip, which we do not have at this time. Why is wrong again? Headline. Yeah, I know, right?
Starting point is 01:14:13 So it's going to depend on what. their capabilities are, and it's also going to depend on what the demand is, right? Like if every other message coming in is like, hey, love true spec cables, I love the ones that I have, I want HTML cables, then yeah, maybe that'll be something that we'll explore. I would say that the reason that we tackled USBA to C and C2C first is because that's where we see the most value for the true spec product philosophy. in Thunderbolt cables I haven't had the same
Starting point is 01:14:45 problems I haven't had quite the same experience with cables not being what I expect them to be because generally speaking Thunderbolt cables are quite max spec cables and same goes for HDMI
Starting point is 01:15:01 there's it's kind of confusing labeling because you know 4K generally means HTML 1.4 if I recall correctly and then like 4k 60 i think means 2.0 4k 120 and then like or no 8k means 2.0 i look the point is they have labeling it's just like kind of stupid um and a lot of the time you don't even necessarily need the better one uh because if it's a short enough run it doesn't really matter a lot of the time
Starting point is 01:15:36 the the older cables will still like totally work other times they won't though and you'll like weird cutouts and stuff like that um like they are digital signals so i'm i would never snake oil market these and say like you connect this between your mp3 player or your you connect between your DAC and your computer and you'll you'll hear the digital bits better or whatever that is bullshit no but i've heard like i think this was in float plane chat or something somebody mentioned that like connecting their laptop and their deck when doing djing sets with like a good quality cable that they can feel like they can rely on more sounds great it's not that it's going to be a better quality connection no but knowing that it will work
Starting point is 01:16:23 is and it's going to be thrown in bags and taken back out a bunch of different times and they feel like they can if they can trust it more that has a value to them like that's cool that's a a like fairly mission critical connection that i might understand someone investing more And to be clear, they're not magic, right? Like, this is still a two-spec USBC connector at the end. Like, if it plugged into something and you don't put any strain relief and you let, like, four feet of this cable dangle off of it, like, yeah. It's going to eventually bend. It'll wear out.
Starting point is 01:16:57 Don't be an idiot with your stuff, right? But we've built it to be as robust as we can possibly make it as, as bulletproof as we can. theoretically there's still going to be something that will fail and yada yada yada it's like any product i know they feel nice um and i have been told that there are cases where a digital cable can be used for analog purposes and there was someone who is super into ham radio at that event that we were at do you remember the the lan at the gaming house yeah yeah so there was someone there that was really into ham radio and basically when oh yeah yeah you know Yeah, I remember this.
Starting point is 01:17:40 We use USB cables because of convenience or something, but we're actually transferring analog data over them. I didn't understand that at all, but they seemed like they knew what they were talking about. And so I basically was like, okay. And he was like, yeah, I will be the first one in line to buy a bunch of these because those sound awesome. As soon as I was talking about the high-speed lines being individually shielded,
Starting point is 01:18:08 in there. So that's why she's, that's why she's such a thick boy, right? Like, that's a, that's a thick cable. We're not selling this as some kind of like convenient, lightweight, you know, it. No, it is, I, I've used it for, like, charging my phone and my pocket with a battery bank. That is a questionable use case for this cable, to be honest. Yeah, she's heavy. You know, at the time, it was just what I had, but like, it's not the best for that. You kind of want somewhat of a junky cable to do that job, to be honest, because you want something little small and light and twistable and then you'll throw it away in a month or a couple months because it will wear out and be a piece of junk or you'll just lose it because you don't really care if that's
Starting point is 01:18:45 usually my problem yeah yeah that's another one uh okay so uh mystery man 321 in float plane chat says my dad does ham radio and he transmits a lot of his ham frequencies over voip he would have loved these okay so yeah i don't know how that oh okay no that i mean that makes sense. I don't know how you send an analog signal over a USB. That sounds really cool. Well, I mean, USB is just, it's just, you know, conductors touching other conductors. I mean, technically it could send anything over it. I understand it's possible. Clapt K24 Accord says, talking about probably using them as antenna of some description with better shielding. It is a problem with cheaper ham antennas using for antennas. This is an entire realm of
Starting point is 01:19:34 things that I know practically nothing about. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Mean either. Me neither. Eleanor is asking about like old 40 pin iPod cables?
Starting point is 01:19:54 Ooh. Yeah. That is not in the plan. Yeah, no. Not in the plan. Yeah. Golden Sound says, you say you're not marketing it for sound quality purposes,
Starting point is 01:20:06 but as someone deep in the audio hobby, I'd gladly play for a cable that just works. I spend a lot of time testing, measuring audio gear, and crappy USB cables are a plague. Is that the golden sound? Oh, I don't know. Am I supposed? Uh-oh, did I just do that thing
Starting point is 01:20:22 where I get into an elevator with a celebrity and I don't realize who they are? I mean, I think so. Oh, crap. Whoops. Yeah. I'm assuming this is the, the golden sound. sound.
Starting point is 01:20:34 Whoopsie doodles. That's cool. I mean, that's super cool. That's good to hear. Is this, the CCC squad represent? Deep in the auto.
Starting point is 01:20:47 I'd happily pay for cable that actually just works. Yeah, that's the main thing I've heard from audio people so far. Like the, the DJ thing I referenced, right? Yeah. Um, is like it's not,
Starting point is 01:20:58 it's not going to make it sound better. But if these are high importance cables, you might want a good one. I don't know. I don't personally often have USB cables fail. Oh, I don't. I have that happen pretty regularly, but okay, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:14 I'm not, I mean, I'm not saying that they don't. It's also hard to tell when they do sometimes. That's a good point. I mean, the whole, it's, oh, man, it's been interesting. Wendell has a video on float plane. I don't think it's out on YouTube yet on what is going on with DR5. And he doesn't mean in terms of pricing. He means in terms of, like, overheating.
Starting point is 01:21:33 and like having weird problems and stuff like that. Very interesting, very cool video. Oh, is this what's going on with like the Thread Ripper Pro platform and stuff? I think it's related to that. Yeah, I don't see it on YouTube yet. Okay, yeah, Kelp from Falcon Northwest was talking to me about that as well. So then it's got to be that because he mentions Kelts in the video. It's a fantastic video.
Starting point is 01:21:55 Watch it on Flowplane if you're not a Flowplane. Basically, to solve one of the problems that Kelp was running into on one of his workstations, He had to reinvent the dominator airflow. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So this is that for sure. So like this,
Starting point is 01:22:12 this stupid thing is, uh, hold on. I'm gonna, I'm gonna find it. But it's super cool now because I think it's level one tech. Maybe it was. This stupid thing is coming back. Yeah. Yeah, buddy.
Starting point is 01:22:22 But it's 3D printed now. Well, okay. Yeah, sure. Which is awesome. But like, it's cringe that we need this stuff. But there were several generations of dominator airflow. I don't want to spoil. the video because it's Wendell's work, but it's a fantastic
Starting point is 01:22:35 video and it explains why we might need this stuff coming back and like how this could even potentially happen and like the design philosophy and the steps of it and all. Amazing video, but it is interesting because it reminded me of Linus Torvalds in the video
Starting point is 01:22:51 with you talking about how like, oh, you know, maybe a lot of problems that Windows is blamed for is actually just people having bad RAM. So I don't know. Yeah, there's something going on with USB cables. I'm not going to step in and pretend that I know a lot about USB cables. My primary use case for them is charging my phone. So, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:23:17 I see a lot of people in chat just talking about everything from DJing to, like, capturing to what else are people talking about? Using them in your truck. Oh, that was a truck one is a big one that was a big part of the reason that we went with silicone uh because i don't know about you guys but my android auto cables this so this is exactly i was talking to my brother about this and my brother does a lot of mods to his truck and i was talking about like yeah i don't think you're going to be like replacing all your cables with this but if you were like replacing your infotainment system and you needed a cable that was going to be in the back and you just never wanted to have to go replace it this might be a use case that makes sense especially if it's going to get any sunlight and again
Starting point is 01:24:03 it's not magic we didn't make magic here you know if you if you freaking you know close your door on it or something and it gets kinks like it you know it can break um but we did want it to be very resistant to uh to uv yeah and yeah someone responded um it's not often a cable fails when DJing but you need a solid cable because well if it fails the show is temporarily over in your eft. Not worth risking it over a $5 cable. Well, hey, good news. This won't be a $5 cable. I don't know if we have, I don't know if we have pricing solidly figured out yet, but it won't be $5. Or five pound, I guess I technically said. I can guarantee it. True spec XLR when? See, XLR is one of those spaces where again, and maybe this is ignorance on my part.
Starting point is 01:25:01 But I just didn't really feel like we were needed as much as we were in USB. I suspect there are probably more available higher quality cables in that space already than the USB space. I would guess. I have no idea. I mean, maybe. But I also think there's been like a heavy, heavy sort of commoditization, commodification of even like professional cables over the last little while.
Starting point is 01:25:27 People which are also saying they build their own XLR, which I do believe is a thing. Oh, I think Dan built a bunch of the XLR cables around our studio. It's even there. Oh, he's not even there. Okay, yeah. So I'm sure that if we ever did do a true spec XLR cable, Dan would be happy to tell us what we need to do to do it right. Mogami Gold dual twisted pair.
Starting point is 01:25:47 There you go. That's apparently the one he likes. But that's a completely separate conversation for the future. Yeah, Jammash says, very hard to find quality USB cables on Amazon these days. Yeah, the enshrification of Amazon has become like kind of a problem because other places to buy things have been just decimated by Amazon's dominance and Amazon hiking up their seller fees, storage fees, fulfillment fees and advertising fees, which you have to pay if you
Starting point is 01:26:26 want any exposure for your product whatsoever, has basically created an environmental where the only products that can survive on Amazon that have enough margin on Amazon are super, super high margin products, which is this another way of saying super low cost and high price. Buh. Sure, we could do more topics.
Starting point is 01:26:49 You want to pick a topic? You wanted a new topic. You pick it. Oh, wait. Should we do sponsors? I feel like... Oh, wait, no. Sometimes I forget that what we're talking about is promoting LTT store and it's not like a topic was that an LTT store it was yeah it was and a merch message just went on for so long we just ended up talking about cables yeah yeah sorry oh wait no we're still supposed to do another merch message Dan I think we'll probably do another topic now oh sure okay sure you
Starting point is 01:27:16 want to pick one sure what's Apple got for us oh this is cool Luke I thought you would like this you've been thinking of switching over to iPhone what you have I mean, that's technically true, I guess. Yeah. I have considered it. I don't think it's going to happen, but I have considered it. I need to prove my humanity pretty quick. Hey, did you see those weird captions that people were posting for our websites?
Starting point is 01:27:40 Yes. Okay. I guess that's all the information we're getting about that. I'm assuming that's a Shopify thing. Oh, okay. Interesting. It wasn't our websites. It was LTT store.
Starting point is 01:27:50 Got it. So this is cool. Reminders on iOS in iOS 26.2 is getting a new feature for, urgent reminders. This was posted on Reddit by Alex Aguerolion. You can mark a reminder is urgent and get an alarm when it's due. You can snooze it if you can't get it to it right away. This feels like such a low lift. Why isn't this on Android? Everything should have this. In fact, this should be the default behavior. Why would I set, why would I set a reminder that I don't care about that I don't care about?
Starting point is 01:28:27 like man it drives me insane why would I set it at a specific time if it doesn't need to be done at that time and if it needs to be done at that time why would it go away before I have acknowledged that I have seen it and you can literally put labels on alarms in your clock app so you can name alarm events in your clock app but it doesn't connect with your calendar why would that not be a thing because then if I if I name an event in my clock app then it's It's not on my calendar, so I don't see it coming, but I do get the alarm for it. And then you're just making me do it in two different spots, which is silly. Anyway, shout out Apple for doing it. That's actually really cool. Yeah, very cool. I thought this was like going to be a meme topic. We're making fun of it.
Starting point is 01:29:17 No, I was actually awesome. Well, I never looked into it. Never looked into it. Beanman says, isn't that already how it works on Android? No. No. Cool. All right. Next topic. I want to talk about this one, because I have thoughts, actually. We'll see how this goes.
Starting point is 01:29:33 Apparently, Samsung reminders can do it, which I haven't played around with. I will have to do that. I'm a pixel bro, so I have no idea. I'm on Samsung right now, actually. I'm really enjoying the Fold 7. Cool. 20% of videos shown to new, oh, it's new YouTube. Interesting. To new YouTube users is AI slop apparently. There's a study that found this. It suggests that we try it in an incognito tab. I thought, why don't we do a fun little casual experiment? Would this make us a new user? A non-scientific experiment?
Starting point is 01:30:11 I mean, it seems to think we are a new user. Is this seriously? What? This is how it goes. Shut up. This is unironically how it goes. This is the first time accessing YouTube experience? Yep.
Starting point is 01:30:24 Try. I have experience. this recently, this is how it goes. Try searching to get started. No, I won't. No, you will. I bet you can go on shorts. I bet you shorts will work. Yep. Okay. All right. Is it AI slop or not? I don't want to do all shorts. This does not seem like AI slop. I would technically have no way of knowing for sure. I mean, it doesn't have to be AI to be Slop. Yeah, what?
Starting point is 01:31:09 Oh my God, who cares? Shorts suck, dude. Okay. Is this, is this? this a new shorts format this square like is this thing on the left just like subway surfers like yeah it must be
Starting point is 01:31:32 okay no this is an ad sick dude is this line dancing I don't know but it's pretty good um this has so many filters on it that it's hard to tell the difference between this and AI I like literally can't really tell the difference
Starting point is 01:32:07 that looks real that's clogging hey sure it's this thing again these big ones it's this thing so there's just like that's interesting it's just like kind of oddly satisfying stuff on the left and there's a blizzard blur between it. Yeah. And they've, they've all had blurs between it. So the idea is just that you...
Starting point is 01:32:31 Okay. My, my brain just kind of hurts right now. You know what? I got to say, it doesn't seem like... I'm not seeing a ton of AI slot. This could be.
Starting point is 01:32:52 Not obvious AI slot. I mean, there's definitely AI powered filter garbage. Oh, this is sponsored. Okay, so that's an ad. This is not going to be AI slot either. Okay. All right. So.
Starting point is 01:33:13 So we didn't get much, but we only looked at shorts. Yeah, we only looked at shorts. Okay, if I go back, oh, hey, look at this. If I go back to home. Now you've looked at shorts. you can see it. Yep. Okay. So that's not Slop. Nope. Well, it's not AI. Ryan Trahan is, I actually don't know or his video is good. I have no idea. Okay, cool. I open to fake McDonald's drive-thru. It's not a slop. I mean, that logo looks like AI Slop. Okay, but
Starting point is 01:33:40 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, add. Um, we didn't get any in the shorts, but as far as my understanding goes, there's an incredible amount in shorts. Yeah. Is that Outdoor Boys again? What's Outdoor Boys? Let's go. Oh, this. Oh, okay. Let's go. Okay, so that's real.
Starting point is 01:33:58 Not AI slop. Confirmed. Not AI slop. So is this? We're really not getting 20%. So here's a question. I mean, okay. This is, this is AI.
Starting point is 01:34:12 I've seen these before. Uh, this just like crap hits a window, uh, garbage. Got it. Okay. So that's one. that thing on the end with the bovati thing definitely might be but i don't think we should click on it to check really i don't know i think we should click on it to check um i don't know dude it looks like probably to me yeah i think this is probably oh yeah definitely yeah that last one
Starting point is 01:34:50 Yep. Okay. Okay. So in this one, we're at 40% AI slop right here. Shorts in my interpretation, which I have a thing that blocks shorts now, but shorts were a lot of it. Especially I started getting into some Warhammer lore stuff while I was working on things, just listening to it. Yeah. And there is an incredible amount of AI voiced AI art Warhammer stuff, which is unfortunate. So I was actually about to say, I do wonder if part of the reason that new users are getting shown such a high percentage of AI slop is that, and this is going to break your brains, that's what they click on and enjoy. Because we can see here that while there is clearly AI slop that's just going to be shown to you immediately on the platform. I'm also wondering when this study happened because if it was around Christmastime, I don't know when the study captured its data, I know it came out sort of around Christmas time. Yeah, Saturday 27th of the December.
Starting point is 01:35:57 A lot of the like Yule log videos were very clearly AI slop, like one that we saw had, it was snowing in the fireplace. Because it was snowing outside out the window and it was also snowing snowing in the fireplace. The really frustrating part about that is that the greatest Ullog video already exists, so it's not necessary for any new Ullog videos to be made. We were talking about this before the show. I think there are, I think there is one critical error and one minor error with this video. This is the only Ullog video that you'll ever need. With the actual video itself, I think there is, yeah, one critical error, one minor error.
Starting point is 01:36:40 Because it is available in 8K, meaning that it is ready for any future TV you may ever own. Quality, quality, you'll log video. The, oh, my sick brain can't think of it right now. Good. Because this is a perfect. The Dennis and Linus things. The stockings. The stockings are very out of place.
Starting point is 01:37:05 No, they're exactly where they belong. No, they're weird. They're in the perfect place. And if you criticize this eulog video, you're basically... Oh, they're weird. You're basically saying that the slop videos need to exist. Nope. Yep.
Starting point is 01:37:19 No. That's basically it. No. So there's no Christmas music on it. There's just crackling fire, which is pretty sick. But for people that want Christmas music, that means you need another thing playing the music, which might be okay. We worked around that. We did.
Starting point is 01:37:33 We Bluetooth pucked the receiver. Oh, did you really? And played Christmas music and then had that on the TV. but every single time I've put it on, someone has commented that the stockings are weird. Every single time I've put it on. I'll tell you what. Here's what we could do.
Starting point is 01:37:49 And every place that I've gone that has had a Uelog video playing, and I'm like, hey, there's this better one I can put it on, they go, oh, but it doesn't have the music. And I'm like, ugh. And then that was worth fixing it my parents' place with the Bluetooth plug, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's not necessarily even really possible elsewhere. These are my concerns.
Starting point is 01:38:08 All right, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what, okay? We get AI to generate us an eight-hour Christmas. And we get AI to generate us a news talking. And then you'll be happy. Like, I understand the music licensing is like a huge problem, which is why isn't there. And personally, I actually really just like the firecracking. Yeah, this is quality.
Starting point is 01:38:27 I think it's great. This is, this is as nature intended. But the people have spoken and they want music. And this has been a problem for me. I feel like I'm going to have to start having like a default kit that I go to Christmas events with that has Bluetooth pucks in it. No, it's the children that are wrong. I couldn't be the one who's out of touch.
Starting point is 01:38:47 The stockings, though, I get it. The stockings are a little weird, I think. Stockings are pretty weird. Yeah, well. And you could technically solve that. With AI. I mean, you could also solve it with not AI. Because you could just like basically sticker on a stocking on top of it.
Starting point is 01:39:03 We could, we could do that. Yeah, we could do different stockings. We could put some music on it. Or, or, hear me out, we already spent enough money on this stupid, weird project. I shouldn't say stupid. It's actually pretty sick. Because the pitch, the pitch was kind of brilliant. At the time, YouTube was heavily rewarding watch time, both in terms of AdSense and in terms of, like, channel promotion.
Starting point is 01:39:28 So this was a James initiative. He was like, we should do a tech. You'll log. I think it's awesome. I'm very happy that we have one. We'll do the highest resolution. You'll log ever. And I was like,
Starting point is 01:39:39 Fantastic. Let it never be said that I don't, you know, provide the support that's needed for out-of-the-box projects. Go for it. And so we made it. I think it was him and Brandon that basically, like, camped out there for eight hours stoking the fire and recording this,
Starting point is 01:39:55 making sure that, like, that the camera media kept getting changed and stuff. Partway through the video, a log falls out of the fire. Oh, yeah, there's some stuff that happens. There's that you can see some, like, spikes in the video timeline, because people clearly
Starting point is 01:40:08 scrub through it to find it. So I went to the biggest one, which I think is when it happens. If you were just so long that like trying to snipe the right timestamp is going to be tough. Oh yeah, 100%. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:40:22 I don't know when it happened. And this is probably sort of on, you know, tape somewhere for most of the year and then makes its way to the edge servers. Oh, you know what? There's probably someone in the
Starting point is 01:40:37 comments has it pretty much guarantee that yep oh okay hold on back to your laptop oh well okay okay we missed it Luke it's okay wait okay just wait I'm waiting just wait I'm waiting I'm wait wait wait you need to have patience I have patience in the holiday season oh yikes bang and it starts smoking like crazy and then our hero enters left I believe yeah I think that's sitting and this is why we needed to make sure we were supervising this yeah oh my god it took a while to figure out what to do just in case you thought this wasn't a real an actual fireplace real ulog video yep um but one of the logs fell out so yes it is and if you ever see a you'll log video where another log falls out i pretty much guarantee you it was a i trained
Starting point is 01:41:35 scam yeah um there's all like there's a dog that wanders around every once in a while and stuff wow he really takes his time it really burnt in there i assumed he was just off camera like reading a book or something but i've never actually skipping forward seen this to see how long it takes to are you a full minute oh yeah further in i whoa was he in like the kitchen or the bathroom or something? I've brought up where he picks up the log, but I always scrubbed to find it. I didn't check the comments because I'm dumb.
Starting point is 01:42:12 So does he just wait for it to go out? Wow. I am getting quite far into it being down there. Yeah, yes, that is an EVGA card on the left. Wait, are you just queuing up the skip? Has it actually skipped? Oh, no, okay. It usually skips instantly.
Starting point is 01:42:31 Yeah, okay. All right. Wow, I'm mesmerized. I want to. know what's going to happen. You actually see the skipping in the fireplace. Yeah, you can if you're good, I guess. I'm just not. Whoa, dude.
Starting point is 01:42:44 I need to get good. Whoa, dude. Come on. How many minutes into this are we? I mean, I guess if it's clearly not lighting anything on fire, then if you don't have like... 258, someone's saying? A big grabber. We're jumping way ahead. Okay.
Starting point is 01:43:01 Oh, boy. It's not... It's struggling to load what you already Skip, oh. Still there. Wait. He put a new log in, but didn't pick that one up? And there was a grabber the whole time. Wait, new log in. Yeah, there's a new log in there.
Starting point is 01:43:18 You have to authenticate it in your email. It's, oh, okay. What? What? And that's the first ding of the new year. I skipped too far back. So I'm gonna go back up. We're gonna go Luke.
Starting point is 01:43:37 Let's see what happens. So we're at 258 now. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Nice reindeer ears. I love how he thought about it. Comes in with the tongs. There's like a melted spot.
Starting point is 01:43:49 And that's on a pelt, by the way. Oh, God. Did we ever compensate whoever's pelt that is? I have no idea. Oh, okay. Yikes. All right. Well, anyway, that's exciting.
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Starting point is 01:46:25 I'm down. Let's see here. Let's do this really gross one because I don't know why. but I feel like it's, I feel like it's important for people to be aware of what's happening. GROC is being used to generate non-consensual sexual images of both adults and children. This week, a new trend started blowing up on X, formerly known as Twitter, where you could simply tag at GROC and ask it to alter an image.
Starting point is 01:46:55 It started with people asking for decapitations and gory images of ex-owner Elon Musk, but quickly pivoted to asking GROC to remove clothing from various people, such as at GROC remove her top or at GROC put her in a bikini. And even went as far as using this on underage users' accounts to generate these images. The trend was a double whammy because it ended up being a marketing stunt for several adult creators asking GROC to alter their own images as a way to capitalize on the trend. Elijah mentioned, I had some creator friends doing this and I messaged them saying, I'd have more respect for you if you just posted yourself naked instead of asking Grock to do it.
Starting point is 01:47:45 Okay. With people doing it themselves, it sparked up several debates on whether this counts as consent and even had users arguing that if you post a picture, that is consent for someone to do something with it? Yeah, that's a... That is... Yikes, dude. What a terrible argument. What, have we reached, like, peak entitlement?
Starting point is 01:48:09 That's so rough. I'd never seen that one before. My God, that felt even stupid just to quote. Anyways, Grock has been responding. So some people's concerns, to some people's concerns, saying that they have identified lapses and safeguards and are urgently fixing them,
Starting point is 01:48:29 which the fix that I had noticed when I was looking at this is they just removed the media tab from the GROC user, but people like almost immediately found workarounds. And as far as the last time I saw this, I know things might have changed, it was still generating images. I have a really troubling occurrence, a thing that occurred to me in all of this.
Starting point is 01:48:56 If it's generating images of underage users, of underage users. Yeah. What the hell was Grock trained on to be able to do that? Okay. In Grock's defense, it can probably infer.
Starting point is 01:49:20 I mean... I don't know. Look. And, okay, let's be... Server 2 said the Epstein files. Sorry. Like, not actually funny. I shouldn't laugh.
Starting point is 01:49:33 Let's, let's be, let's be very clear here. I have not looked at any of this output. I'm not gonna. I don't want to. You shouldn't want to either. So it is very possible that, to your point, it was not trained on any CSAM. Guys, I'm not trying to defend it. What I'm saying is that I don't think this is like hard evidence that it was trained on CSAM.
Starting point is 01:49:57 I think that those are very different things. That's what I'm about to get into. So it is possible that these outputs feature simply size scaled down, you know, trained on adults' imagery. If it isn't, then it raises bigger questions around what the heck this data set is that would be able to generate this. Because an AI, generative AI is not truly generative. It's never seen anything that isn't in its data set. It can't imagine anything that doesn't have some basis within its data set somewhere. And so for it to know what something looks like,
Starting point is 01:50:44 it has to have seen some manner of reference image, generally speaking. And people in full plane chat are saying, I think we've heard stories of CSAM being found in other LLM training sets. I don't know. I know nothing about this. This is not a topic I'm deeply researched on. I'm just saying that it being able to at least attempt that does not just automatically mean that it was. And that is honestly irrelevant of whether or not it's been found in other data sets or not.
Starting point is 01:51:13 So yeah, and there's a couple of other things. Like I don't know if this is true, but Insomniac says that the database was apparently the Twitter media database, which to their knowledge was never purged after Elon bought it. and could contain um i mean whether it was purged lord only knows what after or not it could potentially contain that um i'm not saying it doesn't i'm the only thing i'm saying is it doesn't guarantee that it does that is it this is not that deep of a statement law's earth says i have a little knowledge in the medical space and there's medical imagery of humans of all types Yeah, but not what it was for.
Starting point is 01:52:00 No. Is GROC trained on medical imagery? Almost certainly. I don't know. I mean, yeah, you ask an AI, like, what's this rash? How the fuck would it know if it doesn't have medical imagery in it? That makes sense. Yeah, rough.
Starting point is 01:52:19 Yeah, the person who broke this news to me is rather against generative image and video. I don't know if they want to be named or not, so I'm chilling. Maybe if they're watching, they'll ping me and let me know. But the person who broke this to me for, I know they're extremely against this. I don't think they're exactly searching for fun, but their concern, which after reading a couple articles on this, I share their concern pretty strongly, is the articles are too, very valid reason, scared to show the stuff, and through text, it really doesn't get across how bad it is. And this was one of the problems that they had. So they had some examples of things.
Starting point is 01:53:09 Not quite what you think. Because a lot of those had been removed. So it was like links to a thread where it very obviously happened. Because you could see the person's request still there. And then you could see a response from Grock that had been deleted. So the response is there, but it's like the content has been removed or whatever. So there's like a bunch of that, like all over the place. Clearly people are creating throwaway accounts, doing these requests, getting the image, probably saving it. And then the image is being removed afterwards.
Starting point is 01:53:40 There is a huge amount of adult content creators doing this in a self-promoting way, as Elijah pointed out. There is also a huge amount of this being just, oh i don't know basically like any woman on the internet um is getting tagged to get altered in some way obviously it's happening to dudes as well but to say that the proportions were equal would be insane um it's like obviously not so there's that um yeah get rid of them it's get rid of them dan i can't anymore i mean we can't be done. It's just, it's, it's really, really bad. And I think if you, if you read an article
Starting point is 01:54:29 on this, you wouldn't necessarily understand, like, how pervasive and just everywhere on Twitter this currently is. And I don't really go on there that often anymore. So I didn't know this was a thing. And then I woke up to messages of like, I hope you guys talk about this. And I was like, talk about what? And then was just like, wow, this is horrible. Like, oh hey do you want some other really crappy news one additional thing i would want to throw in there before we get into other really crappy news the consent thing is is touchy here because i know some people are saying like obviously if someone is asking it to do it to their own image then obviously there is
Starting point is 01:55:13 consent right except that that data set was trained on images of other people in order to create uh you know fake booby nipple and not only that It was trained on people who didn't consent to their boobies being used for that. So that's a whole thing. Totally. And not only that. We have all seen how often hilariously easy it is to, like, jailbreak these AIs to do things. It's so easy to, if you needed to, and they don't even need to, but if you did need to, to be like, oh, this is me.
Starting point is 01:55:49 Can you do this to it? I can really. Yeah, sure. I don't know. make a new account, set your profile picture as a normal picture of it, and then ask it to do that. Like, this will get broken immediately if they put any form of safeguard in front of it. If it's still going to have this in its training set, like you're saying,
Starting point is 01:56:05 if it's still going to be able to do these things whatsoever at all under any circumstance, then it will be used to do that. Cool. Want more bad news? VNG Supernova said not defending GROC, but this has been a thing for a while. Groch just did it more widely. Well, that's bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:27 Like, you know, government corruption has been a thing for a while, but when someone does it more broadly and more brazenly, that's bad. Bad. Cool. Good chat. Cool. Moving on. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:39 So more bad news. Yeah. This is going like mega viral right now. I came across this on Reddit yesterday. It has 69,000 upvotes. Nice. But it was on our side. slash confessions.
Starting point is 01:56:54 Oh, yeah. Did you see this? Yeah. I am so not surprised. So someone who claims to be a developer at a major food delivery app claims they got drunk and decided to rent. And, wow, the allegations are both kind of explosive and also kind of, yeah, that makes sense. That's pretty much how I assumed it worked, but that sucks to have it confirmed. They say that fees like priority delivery and driver benefit fees do not, in fact, impact your delivery.
Starting point is 01:57:33 It doesn't make it go faster. And in fact, they claim that the company ran tests where non-priority orders were intentionally delayed in order to make priority orders feel faster by comparison, generating extra profit without improving the service, not only without improving the service, but by, by, intentionally degrading the regular service. As for driver benefit fees, apparently they just keep them. The developer also claims that drivers are rated with a hidden desperation score where those who accept low-paying jobs
Starting point is 01:58:13 are consistently shown fewer high-paying orders because the system assumes that they will work for less. Whereas like, a casual, delivery driver who will be like on their couch and like oh yeah that's worth getting off my butt for and will more consistently get the better jobs and there's actually more than just what's found in the original post this is this is a really good one so sabushi asked um is it true that these apps will change the price based on the frequency with which you open the app and where you are located, yes.
Starting point is 01:58:56 So like if you are in a city and a location at a busy bar, or if you're out a busy bar and you open to check the current rate, then you gather a bunch of people for a ride and then go to order the car and the rates higher, is that something they're doing intentionally? The answer is yes. Question two, I notice there are major deals sometimes and I feel like I'm getting a great price, but then suddenly there's like a charge at the end
Starting point is 01:59:24 for like a weight fee or something and I feel like those charges are higher on orders that I have discounts on yes to both yes to both things that's a thing um yeah hold on let me have a look regarding tips we're essentially doing
Starting point is 01:59:49 tip theft 2.0 we don't steal them anymore because we got sued instead we use predictive modeling to dynamically lower the base pay so if the algorithm predicts that you're a high tipper and you'll likely drop like 10 bucks
Starting point is 02:00:05 it will offer the driver like $2 in base pay why is everything so predictably cartoon villain evil Luke like how
Starting point is 02:00:20 how hard would it be to build a system that's just sustainable for everyone is it is it that hard for food delivery apps yeah is it just it could it not be done yeah i don't think so i don't think it can personally i can explain why um no i'm saying that I think I do know actually and that I don't think it can be done. My argument is that if for what I've heard of the economies of scale of these companies, it's actually surprisingly expensive to run. I don't understand why necessarily. Uber apparently became profitable for the first time in 2023. This is my point. Yeah. Okay. Carry on. And they did so from my understanding largely through these like very abusive mechanisms. Um, so.
Starting point is 02:01:17 if they're going to be profitable, also known as worth anyone's time working on it at all, then they're either going to need to charge a bunch more. Or they'll have to screw over their drivers. And if they charge a bunch more, they won't be competitive on the market. And we know as consumers that this is actually a lot less important to people than burrito taxi $3 cheaper. Right. So I guess what you're saying is that,
Starting point is 02:01:47 there is no there is no magic burrito fairy and so if you want someone to drive like half an hour to go get a burrito and you don't expect to pay them a living wage which um i actually i was looking up with the current vancouver uh living wages for 2025 uh so according to living wage bc uh which is the resource that we use to determine our internal minimum wage so we don't use like the bc minimum wage we use the uh the living wage for metro vancouver um so that is 27 dollars and 85 cents which means that before any profit whatsoever uh before any vehicle expense before any tipping before anything you would have to pay what does this work out to?
Starting point is 02:02:44 About $14, you would have to pay $14 for your burrito delivery, assuming that the parent company made nothing. And there was... Before those things? Why before those things? Because they're going to drive for half an hour. So before you even account for any of that stuff, just the labor alone, you would have to pay $14.
Starting point is 02:03:04 Then separately, you will have to also be able to cover, like, any depreciation of the vehicle, fuel expense. So that's going to drive it up even more. and then if the company running the service wants to make anything, then it will be even more than that. And I think we all know that, no, it's not $20 for a burrito delivery. So somehow they have to do it. Or somehow they have to make it an amount that you're willing to pay.
Starting point is 02:03:29 There's definitely more to this. Like Cat O'S is saying, you can do more than one food delivery per drive. Yeah, but also there's overhead. Like you've got to drive back somewhere at the end of the day. Yeah. no for sure i i think your point is prudent um it's rough food delivery apps are brutal kind of for everyone involved i think you could argue even the person receiving yeah i mean it's just it's like it's a bad model right it's almost like we figured out grocery stores like a really long time ago
Starting point is 02:04:06 which very smart very efficient yeah and then we were like you I'm incredible. You know what? Fuck grocery stores. Yeah. No, I think they're pretty good still, actually. No, I generally think they're pretty good, too. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:23 Oh, man. Undercutting the stores? I don't even know what that necessarily means. I know they've been caught cranking, like, setting prices for stores, which is crazy. Oh, yeah, no, no. So they, no, I think by undercutting, they mean they're, like, demanding better pricing from the stores, or they, like, won't list them on the app and stuff. like that. So they want to absorb margin from the stores, absorb margin from the drivers,
Starting point is 02:04:47 and absorb margin from tips apparently. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy, dude. Yeah, Mavs guy says, I almost always prefer to go get it myself. I got to admit, I, there's people who are not going to like this, but For especially certain things, I would rather go to the drive-thru myself and, like, eat food while I drive than have it delivered to me. Wait, why wouldn't people like that? I don't understand. Well, a lot of people don't like people eating while they drive. Oh.
Starting point is 02:05:27 Didn't even occur to you. You're hilarious. It's also technically illegal. Well, I don't tell anybody that. Actually, it is distracted driving that is illegal. I could make the argument that I am not distracted by that. What if you had a hands-free burger? Yeah, right?
Starting point is 02:05:44 A little piece of rope. Who drives with their hands? Yeah. What year is it? It's also just good to get out, I think. Yeah, I like it. Honestly, I don't. There's been a rough amount of food delivery usage in our place over the last little while,
Starting point is 02:06:07 no available kitchen, often very focused on work, trying to get the house unscrewed up but that's like that's a habit that we're going to be cutting pretty hard i also have vance get lunch for me more than i'd like it's not because i want to vance is not a uber driver no i know vance is paid appropriate well yeah he's compensated for it i just i just mean like i'd like to get out more is you driving the company car too people get mad at me if i go out that also helps you're that dear person sorry You're that tier of person. That's got to be so annoying.
Starting point is 02:06:44 Stop wrapping cables. You're costing us money. It's legitimately kind of annoying. Like I'd like to, I'd like to just, you know, go to A&W and get a teen burger, you know? Double teen lettuce wrapped. It's like actually pretty all right. in the whole mix of things. A&W Canada, man, it's great.
Starting point is 02:07:12 You don't feel sick afterwards. The macros, considering you're getting a burger at a fast food restaurant, are pretty good. Love me some A&W Canada. That is my S-tier fast food. I'm always down for a teen. That was my lifeline at the beginning of the housework project. Teen burger. I'm not that kind of influencer.
Starting point is 02:07:38 I feel it is necessary to clarify in on this timeline. So just because you don't know, AW burgers are named after like members of a family, basically. It's a mama burger and a Papa burger and a baby burger. And a chubby chicken. Yeah, I don't know where that came from. Yeah, well, I mean, from the egg, obviously, which came from the chicken, which came from the egg,
Starting point is 02:08:04 which came from the chicken. Oh my God, reality's a lot. which came first all right what are we supposed to be doing here egg egg came first let's do a short update
Starting point is 02:08:24 on the December 26 when show discussion regarding YouTube views remember when I was talking about those paid views on that video and I wanted clarification on what counts as a view like if somebody just watches five seconds of it and skips it is that a view so i did get a response from my youtube rep and apparently youtube no longer hides the sauce um they gave me a straightforward answer
Starting point is 02:08:51 heck yeah and said that da da da da da da da da da da what is this what is this summary this has to be a i who did this where is this uh this is a trash summary why would it be like the this. The email was so much simpler. I'm just going to read off the email. Okay, where's my email from? We shouldn't use output. Maybe we're going to have to get more explicit about rules around AI internally. Yeah, we might have to do that.
Starting point is 02:09:24 Somebody wrote that. Oh, okay. Well, good on them then. Okay. So April said, it qualifies as a view when the following is met. For skippable in-stream ad views, a viewer has to watch 30 seconds or until the end of the video
Starting point is 02:09:40 whichever comes first. Okay. So if they like skip around in it but they reach the end of the video because they only cared about the conclusion or something that counts. Okay. It counts when a viewer clicks on an element of your video ad
Starting point is 02:09:55 such as a call to action, card, banner, thumbnail or logo. When this occurs, a click will also be counted. For bumper and non-skippoor, in-stream ad views, true view views are not counted for these ad formats because viewers can't skip the ad, so their intent isn't clear. For in-feed video ad views, a viewer clicks on the thumbnail and is taken to the video watch page, or a viewer watches the video auto play in line for at least 10 seconds. There is no scenario where simply watching, with no
Starting point is 02:10:28 engagement, a long-form video ad for just a few seconds would count as a view on a long-form video. So we did get clarification. So what that means to me then is for that number of views to have gone up, they must have bought a ton of impressions against that thing.
Starting point is 02:10:48 I think it was one of those cases where the like we're cool with High Sense and High Sense is cool with us, but I think the agency had their own internal KPIs around how many views it was supposed to have. Worth it to them to just create that reality, I guess.
Starting point is 02:11:04 Yeah, when, like, I don't personally see a ton of value in that because... I see zero. It's organic content. Just let it do its thing. It's a great factory tour. You guys should check out the High Sense Factory Tour we did if you haven't already. It's a really cool production line. And, you know, however many views it gets is fine and forcing people to, like, watch 30 seconds of it or whatever.
Starting point is 02:11:28 It doesn't seem like it, yeah, creates a ton of value. Dan, can you see my screen? that thing so maybe a little column A column B okay new topic I guess yeah hit me Oh, should we do
Starting point is 02:12:06 Short new topic and then those things? Yeah, let's do a topic. Micron highlights just how grim the DRAM demands are. Micron reported a record revenue of $13.6 billion in their first fiscal quarter. Yeah, that's one quarter revenue. Oh, my God, which is up 57% year over year. even with this increase and migrating resources away from crucial micron's in-house consumer brand of memory
Starting point is 02:12:36 it was still only able to achieve roughly 50 to 65% of the demand that some of their top customers have whoa could you see micron coming back after the AI surge is done honestly I don't know about that they just they don't really have to you mean crucial coming back right yeah I think that's well I think that's what the discussion question means. It was written as Micron, but... They don't really have to, because Micron can make their money. Yeah, other people label it... Just selling it to Kingston. Yeah. Or Coursair. Yeah. Or G-skill, or A-Data, or team group, or Patriot, or... Okay, I'm running out of them. But the point is that there's a bazillion-in-one module manufacturers that you can buy Micron dies on. And so I just don't think that the, that the crucial brand.
Starting point is 02:13:30 I think it would be like cool to have more competition in that space, I guess. But when they're all just colluding on everything anyways, in which space? In the DRAM space. Oh, no, I just mean, because like we don't need more competition. We don't need more competition in the module manufacturing space. Yeah, that's probably fair. And then more competition is always good, but. Sort of.
Starting point is 02:13:52 I mean, I really. It's pretty good. I really think there's enough. In the DRAM module space. I mean, here, hear me out. I'm not saying there isn't necessarily enough. I just always think competition is good. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 02:14:04 Agreed. Agreed. However, there is a lot. I do think that there can be enough at a certain point where you just have enough. I don't think it appreciably impacts pricing. And so I think this is enough. Yeah, I just do. There's a lot that don't necessarily matter.
Starting point is 02:14:26 Well, it's regional, right? That's probably fair. Like, my first Computex, I hardly recognized. I could probably have found like two dozen DRAM module manufacturers I'd never heard of. But Crucial was pretty global in that regard. Crucial was great. And honestly, I will miss Crucial more on the SSD side than I will on the DRAM side. Because I could trust that they were using good NAND, and I could trust that they were using decent controllers and firmware.
Starting point is 02:14:55 and I could trust that if there was a problem, they had my back, whereas I don't necessarily have the same degree of trust with every random storage manufacturer. And storage is one of those things where, unlike DRAM, where if it's working, it is probably going to work for a very long time, storage not only degrades, and so therefore is quite reliant on using a high-quality product that will last a long time,
Starting point is 02:15:21 but also holds my freaking data. anything that carries my data is way more important to me than something that makes my game FPS go boom boom clicky faster like it's it's priorities right like I just I don't
Starting point is 02:15:37 I don't need more FPS that badly but I definitely do need something to not lose my data that badly yeah all right Dan what do you want us to do float plane announcements we can do that if you are big into Insider Knowledge.
Starting point is 02:15:55 Flooplane is the place to be this week. Do you want to bring it up? Yeah. Oh, that's the video we're highlighting. I did a little workshop with my son. The link didn't link. Well, that's... Here we go. Got it.
Starting point is 02:16:16 He's got it. I did a little workshop with my son. Oh, exciting. And if you have ever thought to yourself, Gee, you know, I like watching Linus host a video, but I wonder why that is. I gave about, I think it's about 30 minutes long, I gave my son a crash course on, you know, what it takes to get better at hosting in as little as half an hour. Just a bunch of little tips and tricks that I have picked up over the years.
Starting point is 02:16:49 and so far the reception has been really positive actually from the community and it was the kind of thing that wasn't intended to be an exclusive over on float plane but we just we were we were having him help host that Kindle review video and I realized I kind of went oh hey this would be kind of neat we did this before with Tom Peterson and Ryan Shrout when they came up here from Intel and I needed them to say something on the video and I was like oh you guys need to to improve or, like, our retention is going to suck. And people really like that exclusive.
Starting point is 02:17:23 So this is kind of a longer... I'm excited for this. Longer version of that with an even greener host who has functionally zero experience. So if you've never hosted a video before, it's a... I won't call it a master class, but it's an adequate class.
Starting point is 02:17:38 An adequate video class. Yeah, adequate video class. Exactly. Thank you. Because I'm not, I'm not trained. I'm not the best video host I've ever met, not even by a long shot, but I'm pretty, I'm pretty darn okay. And, um, I think that I have a pretty good style of sort of identifying things and, and explaining them. So yeah, it's a good little, good little exclusive. There was definitely more like I watching, I haven't watched this yet,
Starting point is 02:18:04 but having watched the, the main video, um, there was definitely more learning to be done, but for the first video, it did really, really, really well. Yeah, it was awesome. It was cool to watch. If you're more into, you know, merch, in this week's Why is WANLate? Oh, it says I work with Kyle which I assumed meant Sammy but no, he means I worked with Kyle
Starting point is 02:18:26 He writes these in your voice. On choosing which version of the non-infringing purple screwdriver we ultimately chose for mass production. I'm just going to mute this. Basically Kyle brought me five different versions of it and I had to pick
Starting point is 02:18:45 which one to my eye And he also checked with other people. This is not a monarchy. But I had to pick which one to my eye was the one to go to mass production and turn into the kind of eye and desk candy that so many members of the LTT community have been enjoying the heck out of. Someone actually posted an incredible collection of LTT screwdrivers over on the forum. this is nuts
Starting point is 02:19:19 whoa wow black shaft silver shaft orange and black black shaft black shaft black shaft silver shaft black and black they've got the all black and the orange and black stubby
Starting point is 02:19:38 several shaft extensions both knocked to a colorways the non-infringing retro screwdriver and they've even got a bunch of ones that were only available as like mystery. So I think this is all of the end cap color ones and even one of the full color mystery ones along with all of the transparent and new retro transparent drivers. Wow. Yeah, so people have been posting the heck out of their new screwdrivers and really.
Starting point is 02:20:12 really enjoying the look of them I actually have seen there's quite a few really good ones of people posting the new oh yeah here this is the very this is the top post on the subreddit right now like damn
Starting point is 02:20:28 how freaking awesome is that wow that looks great right and it's like it's there's a bunch of people posting this stuff and see if I can find it blah blah blah oh hold on a second it has i'm not oh wait i am logged in i don't know what i don't know whose account i'm on
Starting point is 02:20:50 right now so i don't know how it's sorting anything uh okay neat let's not worry too much about that because there's like week old posts that are coming up but lately there's been a bunch good stuff why is this logged into someone's redid account i'm going to log it out cool good chat. Is it just the email that's... I don't know. Oh. Okay, yeah, let's not worry too much about that. Yeah, that's good. Cool, good chat. Oh, this is an interesting one.
Starting point is 02:21:24 From, we were actually, we meant to talk about this last week, but speaking of, you know, insiders, spilling the beans, an alleged former Amazon developer for Amazon Go reached out to me, to correct the record on the AI in these stores just being remote humans. So you remember when, what is that thing, where AI stands for actually Indians? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:21:55 Yeah, okay. So it broke a little while ago that the Amazon Go store was allegedly just humans. Mechanical Turk. Yeah, mechanical turking, the cashier list check. out and the machine vision. Mechanical Turk is an Amazon product, so
Starting point is 02:22:13 in this case it probably would have literally been mechanical Turk. However, a programmer who says that they worked on the Amazon Go technology reached out to me to say hey, that's not actually really true. In fact, they claim that the reporting on that
Starting point is 02:22:35 mechanical Turk story was basically akin to journalistic malpractice because 80% of the actions observed in store were high confidence and were actually handled entirely by the machine learning models while only 20%ish were mid or low confidence and were sent to be reviewed by Mechanical Turk for accuracy. The emailer also wanted to make it clear that they are not an Amazon bootlicker
Starting point is 02:23:01 and were recently fired and I'm going to not share the last part of their anecdote but it's really funny but it would make it really easy to identify them that's probably fair but it's very funny it makes me
Starting point is 02:23:17 if real makes me really for sure believe this person yeah I'm sorry I would love to tell you guys but I think I do not want to I do not want to out them and this would I guarantee you they're the only person
Starting point is 02:23:32 who did this thing that they say they did to sort of demonstrate that they're not an Amazon bootlicker. So they just wanted us to know that the way that the story presented it was not really fair and mechanical turk was used for quality control. It doesn't really change that clearly they ran into a lot of the same challenges that self-driving vehicles have been running into,
Starting point is 02:23:57 where the first 80% is doable without the heaviest lift. and then it's that last little bit. It's the edge cases that you have to solve for that are the hardest part that make a project like this potentially no longer cost effective. And so ultimately they're obviously not working on that anymore. Amazon did can the program as far as I'm aware.
Starting point is 02:24:22 But no, it also wasn't just a bunch of people watching security camera feeds and, you know, entering your checkout data. Yeah. okay team viewer uh team viewer oh yeah sure did we do sponsors we have one more but we can talk about team viewer first i'm so irritated it's not news what do we do but i'm just really annoyed i feel like something's got to be done the team viewer community is really upset about this uh hey my perpetual license was deactivated for remote access so only land mode works like
Starting point is 02:25:04 what? I'm not asking for updates or new features. I'm simply asking for my original remote access functionality, which existed at the time of purchase to not be taken away. Disabling the main feature of a perpetual license is effectively a termination or downgrade of the license. I want you to fix this. Yeah, we're on the same ship. I hope they change heart. Yeah, they're not going to. They are not taking enough flack for this. So let's help with that. And, hey, don't use Team Viewer. Cool. Oh, no. Karashi says, we were hit by this at work.
Starting point is 02:25:44 Ended up being strong-armed into paying for a discounted subscription license. Why would you give them your business? Use something else. There are other programs. Guys. No. Do we make, like, a video guide on getting yourself out of Team Viewer? That's a pretty good idea.
Starting point is 02:26:04 Yeah. Because we still have stuff we use it for internally. And we're going to have to get rid of it. So, like, we need to get rid of it like now. Because I'm thinking like we got to do something. They have to, they deserve to be struck. I'm down. Is that something that like labs wants to work on potentially? I mean, in prep. We could probably, uh, it seems a little out of use case, but. Does it? Yeah, I think so. Are we, are we testing? I have no idea. I mean, latency would matter. I don't know. Adequate. viewer service. I'm just, you know what, I'm going to add it. I'll add it to the, I'll add it to the pile. Okay. All right. Yeah, let's work on alternatives, the team viewer. Because, yeah, just like, I don't know, team viewer, basically.
Starting point is 02:26:48 Yeah. Big time. I'm very sorry to hear that your company is still giving the money. Because if you cancel perpetual licenses, you should just, you should just not be allowed to continue to exist. Yeah. big time yeah a lot of people are talking about rust desk apparently it's free and open source and can be self-hosted which is not the sales pitch that you think it is for a lot of organizations
Starting point is 02:27:17 maybe it can also here i'm going to your screen okay it does not have to be self-hosted okay that's good that's cool it's really cool that they have a self-hosted option there are a bunch of places that will not want that uh people have talking about NinjaRM. I mean, if you're looking to avoid a subscription, that sure as heck is not going to be the way that you're going to want to go. What else we got? Apparently, Pancras knows a bunch of options. Float viewer confirmed. No. Noah DeBos asked, how about Parsiq? To my knowledge, parsec doesn't do mobile? That was a big one for us, as we needed something that worked mobile to desktop and desktop to mobile without this is not a prepped topic um without knowing
Starting point is 02:28:08 competitors or anything parsec has been really nice for video editing stuff internally yeah evan benjamin says parsec is only on android not on ios based i mean no that's not that's not a competitive advantage for them luke maybe they'll figure it out eventually all right well yeah maybe this is something that we'll look into on the writing side and then we'll go from there. I mean, we're labs would be happy to like test something if you want something tested here. It just, yeah. Yeah, that's fine.
Starting point is 02:28:42 That's fair enough. Yeah, labs is lazy. I get it. No, I'm just kidding. All right, we'll do the whole video. It'll be like. Well, just to rebrand the channel, labs tech tips. Forget that Linus guy.
Starting point is 02:28:54 Who needs them? I'm going to make a Labs channel. I'll just do WAN show. It's going to happen. I'll do half of Wanshow, actually. Yeah. Yeah, get it right. all right why don't we do our second uh sponsor read here the show is brought to you by motion gray what what now
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Starting point is 02:32:37 We've got a couple more topics, and then I think it's time for After Dark. Oh, here's a good one. An unlucky RTX 5080 buyer received rocks in their box, in socks, eating locks. Posted it to TikTok? It doesn't matter. The point is they got rocks in their box and Best Buy, after I think about a six-minute investigation determined that they weren't going to do anything for them. So they went and did their own darn investigation, finding that after placing constant calls to filing a Better Business Bureau complaint, filing a police report, and finding evidence that the package gained weight in trends. transit the user which is like so pathetic they didn't even Indiana Jones it properly I know right criminals man yeah I know joke I know so basically found in their own investigation that the package gained weight in transit and got Best Buy to finally agree to refund and to Best Buy's credit even price match the original deal the buyer and this is hilarious apparently got a commemorative tattoo
Starting point is 02:33:57 from their girlfriend to well I guess if it's a commemorative tattoo then it's to commemorate the ordeal but I'm actually I'm not finding that image I do it's the very last one I've got it
Starting point is 02:34:11 wink nice so it was a tough gaming GPU so that's the ASU's tough gaming logo on a rock which is pretty funny that's actually pretty good it does look like the logo's glowing and everything this is one of those ones where it's like
Starting point is 02:34:27 I can see, I can definitely see both sides of the story. I mean, Best Buy must get, see, that's the thing about fraudsters is they will find any opportunity to fraud. And so Best Buy probably does get a lot of fraudulent. Herder, I got bricks in my GPU box. Dude, I, yeah, I worked there. This happened all the time. Like, actually all the time.
Starting point is 02:34:47 So I can understand why they're just like, Herder, forget it. Xbox 360s and return them without the hard drives, obvious what's going on there customer service person wouldn't notice because they don't necessarily they're not necessarily familiar with Xbox 360s or whatever they'd be yeah they'd be missing stuff all the time
Starting point is 02:35:05 why buy an accessory when you can just like steal it yeah right yeah so I can understand that but also like this stuff does happen stuff does get stolen in transit and so I this user was rightfully outraged and the fact that it was so easy to investigate and find out that yeah when this package was weighed it stopped weighing the same
Starting point is 02:35:29 it just feels like best buy didn't even want to solve it i don't think they did and the dumbest part is that because of the way that this happened best buy should actually be entitled to compensation from the courier this is the courier's problem this is not best buy's liability so that that shopper was one tough customer I feel like Dan was prepped for that it's like loaded and ready I was hover handing it yeah yeah you know like that old movie from
Starting point is 02:36:07 I'm assuming when we were relatively young of that kid who'd play baseball and his arm would like you'd hear it like re and then he'd like go and it would fire off and he ended up playing in like professional leagues do you have any anyone who I'm talking rookie of the year rookie of the year
Starting point is 02:36:24 rookie of the year okay yeah no I've never seen yeah this is it wow Pancroats had that on deck dude um but yeah that that uh that was Dan right there okay 1993
Starting point is 02:36:37 ready to hit the bell okay I probably should have I probably should have seen that one I'm the right age for it 40% on Rotten Tomato so maybe not ooh yikes I mean I pulled out air bud which probably isn't rated much better yeah but air bud
Starting point is 02:36:53 legendary. I mean, Rookie of the year is legendary for me, but it might not be for for other people. Dude, I don't know. There's some pretty good movies that are rated pretty bad. Yeah, Air Bud's a 50% and a 40% from the audience, so not so much. But this is going to blow your mind. The Boone Talk Saints is rated 26% by critics. I had no idea. Wait, by critics. Okay. Yeah. Who cares about that? No, seriously, though, but like... Wait, with Dan, would that clap? I was going to say, that would definitely go on the list. That would work for your thing.
Starting point is 02:37:27 100% that is a movie to watch. How? And like, okay, listen, I haven't watched that movie since I was in my late teens, early 20s. So maybe stylistically, artistically, it's a crap movie. Maybe it has a bad plot or it's full of cliches and tropes or, you know, whatever. Maybe, maybe. But, like, I remember. I remember enjoying it a lot.
Starting point is 02:37:55 I thought it was cool. It's been forever since I've seen it, but I thought it was cool. Critics Consensus, a juvenile, ugly movie that represents the worst tendencies of directors channeling Tarantino. Well, I thought it was awesome. Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool. But again, I haven't seen it since I was quite young. Who did direct this?
Starting point is 02:38:17 Troy Duffy. What else have you directed? Okay. Ooh, not much. the sequel to Boondock Saints which nobody liked and no whatever the heck guest house is
Starting point is 02:38:28 a zero percenter wow this guy looks like he just watched guest house yeah really I don't know if I've ever seen a zero uh yeah that one that I was almost in but got cut out of
Starting point is 02:38:43 was a zero for a while that makes sense I think it's 1% now oh oh it's up to 4% probably uh yeah it only takes two people to give it a positive
Starting point is 02:38:54 reviews came in. Yeah. The plot is ludicrous. Hey! It's a true desktop disaster. I hope that person knew what they were doing. I hope so too. They didn't spell it right though. Oh, maybe they didn't then. Luda!
Starting point is 02:39:13 All right. What else we got for today? Apple find $116 million over app. Actually, no. Let's go to this one, because people keep posting about it. Where is it? We don't have notes for this. Coursera cancels orders and increases prices. This was mentioned in the pre-show just from some people in chat. This is not a prepared topic. But we have a link over to, I guess, our subreddit that is talking about Corsair's subreddit and some of what's going on. Again, because this is not a prepared topic, we don't have a lot of notes for this. But apparently, theoretically, what's happening is Corsair is
Starting point is 02:39:52 canceling orders and yeah then hiking prices i think i read no yeah in this one if i scroll down here and this is still on the line of detective subreddit so i haven't actually gone to corsair subreddit yet but this person shared this photo um yeah i had my ram order canceled by them to be fair it was definitely pricing error on their part 48 gigabytes of ddr5 or 200 bucks but still very disappointing the prices for the same round is no double now and you can see this screenshot basically says it was a system error so they canceled it on you and they tried to offer a gesture of goodwill of 15% off your next order um okay people are saying in in chat i read this earlier that in some areas of the world uh maybe not where this is happening maybe this is only
Starting point is 02:40:38 happening in the states i don't know but in some areas in the world um this is uh illegal apparently uh but i don't know if it's illegal where they're doing it i don't know where they're doing it again this is a fairly unprepared topic um but pretty crazy um especially while tensions are rather high over ram and most of the posts that i'm seeing about this is um ram stuff yeah okay yeah i don't know there's a lot of these posts there's actually quite a few of them scrolling through the Quarcerar subreddit okay
Starting point is 02:41:30 but I don't necessarily have a ton to say about it yeah I don't know if it's actually a pricing error then it is what it is and it's actually kind of nice of them to offer a 15% discount if it's not a pricing error and it's just pricing going up and them not accounting for it and updating things quickly enough
Starting point is 02:41:51 that is a pricing error of sorts but it's not a pricing error like a data input error in the way that we would typically think of a pricing error and the fact that this is happening on complete systems kind of leads me to believe
Starting point is 02:42:06 that it could be the latter in which case it's not very cool either way it's going to again not a prepared topic we don't really know what's going on yeah it's going to be down to sort of following this up with your local consumer protection bureau assuming that you have one and uh otherwise or just or just ordering ram
Starting point is 02:42:24 from another company apparently they've cranked up the discount here's an updated message that i found on a thread oh uh we are not on a thread this is a a post itself sorry i don't read it enough um truly understand but uh 40% off a single deram product of your choice okay was the other one for a full system though because i could see 10% off a full system being i'm not sure but what i do see here at the bottom says the original 15% coupon remains valid for other components on our web store got it so that was probably for a system oh okay interesting sounds more like DRAM to me so what this tells me then is corsair has some stock probably of DRAM that they are that is at old contract pricing and they're able to use some of the margin that they have on their
Starting point is 02:43:10 DRAM that they have at the old pricing as pricing is going up to offer a discount and I mean that's something at least yeah all right again don't know all the details blah blah insert various caveats oh speaking of the LTT subreddit um before anyone notices it and goes sorry what um oh shoot I can't I can't see a list of moderators without being logged in but I am officially a moderator on the subreddit now
Starting point is 02:43:36 this is not because our plan is to you know be meanies and censor people um but can I make a new account and you flag me as me then Yeah, I can do that. Because I can't recover my old Reddit account. Oh, okay. Unless someone watching, like, knows people at Reddit and can help me. Oh, I mean, that's probably true, too.
Starting point is 02:43:57 That would be awesome, because I can't recover my old Reddit account. Cool. It seems like when we migrated from LastPass to Keeper, maybe that password didn't come along, and I never attached it to an email because you at least used to be able to do that on Reddit. So there seems to be no way for me to recover the account. I can log into it. I just have to boot up my old computer, which still has a, active session for whatever reason it's been like you know i i'm pretty sure the time gap in which
Starting point is 02:44:24 i tried it was like over six months and then it just it worked no problem but even being logged into the account i can't do anything to recover it or set a new password so i have been locked out cool so yeah the goal is not to you know be mean or anything like that but i'm also not going to claim that if I see someone who's a complete bad faith dumb dumb that they will continue to have posting privileges so make of that what you will um so for instance there's a thread about the new true spec cables and um you know these are going to be the new monster cable and they're going to be have absurd pricing and you can just i don't know post on other subreddits, I guess, because you don't actually have evidence for the claim that you're
Starting point is 02:45:20 making. I think if the community counters that person significantly enough, it might even be good to leave it up. Why? So the people can see that an argument for that was made and immediately discounted. But, I mean, that's all your call. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 02:45:38 Duly noted. It's just an idea. I think there will be cases where that make sense and there will be plenty of cases where that does not make sense. Yeah, I don't know. I think Buddy here who says I've always wanted to buy expensive overpriced USB cables
Starting point is 02:45:55 but didn't feel like going to Best Buy. I think they can just take a vacation though. Like do they, why? Why do they need to be here? I mean, the hate watchers need somewhere to post, but they could post somewhere else. There are other places. There are other places where people can post.
Starting point is 02:46:11 That is an option. It's 100% an option. I'll think about it. So far, I have not, I have not banned anyone but I don't know that's not necessarily a guarantee is all I'm saying and to be clear
Starting point is 02:46:25 this is not down to so people in chat are saying dissenting opinions are okay so here's the problem this is not a product that they have seen it's not a product that they know anything about
Starting point is 02:46:37 if we reviewed things site unseen you'd be pissed yeah you'd hate it you'd say that we've completely lost all credibility and any right to offer up an opinion on things if we just said stuff completely without any precedent for it or any evidence it's just completely bad faith engagement and there's really no need for it now if someone wants to review the cables that's totally different go for it that's totally different we've even highlighted reviews of our products that contain
Starting point is 02:47:07 negative sentiments here on the wandshow yeah we're open to that but if you're just trashing on something that you don't know anything about, you don't know the pricing, you don't know the quality, and you're just saying it's bad, you have outed yourself, you've outed yourself as a non-credible,
Starting point is 02:47:27 non-serious person. No, that's not the same thing, guys. You don't get to have an opinion about something that you don't actually know literally anything about, demonstrably, you don't know anything about. It just
Starting point is 02:47:43 kind of doesn't really work like that. Unique username asks, will you delete comments that assume the product is great without them having seen it or having evidenced otherwise? I don't think I saw any. Sorry, say that again. I wasn't listening to it.
Starting point is 02:48:06 Will you also delete someone who assumes that the product is great without them having seen it or having it be evidenced otherwise? I will say that I banned someone on the YouTube channel who was spamming an inaccurate defense of some scandal that we had. So they were like raw, raw, raw, super pro LTT.
Starting point is 02:48:29 Also not hopeful. About something. And there was misinformation in their defense, so I shadow banned them. So no, I'm not interested in people white knighting inaccurately. however hmm that one requires a think
Starting point is 02:48:52 that one definitely requires a think uh Kinjara says you get to have an opinion on anything it's an opinion yeah but it's also not a government public forum yeah you can go have that opinion anywhere you can do it somewhere else
Starting point is 02:49:06 I don't personally like I think there are so I used to be really rah-rah about um moderation standards on on in certain ways and blah blah blah blah blah but i the internet is so huge now you and i were like militantly nothing should be deleted yeah for a very long time the the only like primary rule on the forum was that you can attack us too but no personal attacks against other people um and like that's even that's like really really open but now there's just there's just it's so easy to mass generate accounts it's so easy to AI spam with things um there's so much like group think hatred for everything you could possibly ever imagine and not even just talking
Starting point is 02:49:55 about us um at all to be clear um and it's so easy to hijack a community with surprisingly little effort to just make it a terrible place and it's so common now that I just don't really care anymore there are 10 million other places on the internet more than that that you can go it's not like we're like taking your house from you like it's literally Reddit
Starting point is 02:50:23 there's probably more of subreddits than that oh there are also other subreddits that we'll talk about us and our stuff Binky draws says I'm a moderator on a medium-sized Discord server and there's a huge problem with bot accounts yeah like it's it's uh it's actually unreasonable to do in my opinion what would be considered as like old style of moderation anymore um yeah and there's a big difference between saying that you feel that the cables might be
Starting point is 02:50:58 overpriced and low quality versus saying definitively that it is yeah sure huge difference. All right, what else we got going on here? Oh, Nvidia and AMD, rumored to be preparing GPU price hikes in Q1 of 2026, and adding some weight to this, and a Seuss letter has allegedly leaked announcing price hikes starting January 5th, which means that it could be our, um, it could be our last positive how much is the Intel arc B580 investigation check is the B580 still MSRP oh god what is this oh oh no are you kidding me wait wait wait oh oh out of stock oh oh oh is that we're not stock too no yeah
Starting point is 02:52:05 down into, I'm down into all the out of stock stuff. No. Was last week the last one? Oh, no. Dan, don't tell people to panic. Why would you tell people to panic? Ryan, it's all going wrong. Why would you, why would you spread panic?
Starting point is 02:52:23 Literally, literally spreading panic. Burn down your village. Okay, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, it's an open box. That's an open box. wait but hold on is this a shift in
Starting point is 02:52:37 USD CAD no it's more of a gap than that this is US what is there MSRP oh no this yeah I'm on the US site dude so what is it supposed to be again 249 for the B580 and the lowest one is 299 it hit
Starting point is 02:52:54 the holiday bundle is still there but it's over B580 at MSRP party is over Oh, boy. No. No. Oh, that is such a downer. Sell, sell, sell, dump it.
Starting point is 02:53:20 Dan, stop it. You are not, you are the definition of not helping. Jeez. All right, what about Canada? Okay, B580. Can computers? Are you going to let me down here? Okay.
Starting point is 02:53:43 Online sold out. Online available for 400. That's way over 250. No. No. No. It's 300 U.S. now. Oh, this is probably not the end of it either.
Starting point is 02:54:00 All right. 359 from new egg reports out of korea say no there was one for 299 reports out of korea say that no cad sorry what cad oh where on new egg yeah is it in stock i don't see a thing that says stock to be honest yeah at a cart i think you're good oh okay so you can still get them at new egg canada for about 249 u.s actually it's a touch higher but it's a little bit higher it's not too bad that is often that goes. All right. Do I get to finish the sentence now?
Starting point is 02:54:33 Yes. I'm having a very Luke experience. Reports out of Korea say that Nvidia and AMD are planning to jack up GPU prices and throughout the show. In early 2026 and the top end G4 RtX 5090 could end up around $5,000, which is more than double what it first launched for. Memory costs and broader GPU supply issues are squeezing component prices and makers are said to be shifting more of their production towards AI and data centers, which will boost prices
Starting point is 02:55:08 across the board. The hikes are expected to happen in steps throughout Q1-20206, affecting not only flagship cards, but a range of consumer GPUs. Meanwhile, Aesuce sent partners a notice that starting January 5th of 26, it will raise prices on some of its products right before CES gets going. Roughly translated, Issu's letter doesn't list exact models, it just says they're doing strategic price adjustments on certain product combinations.
Starting point is 02:55:39 Discussion question. In your time as a tech enthusiast, can you remember a worse start to the new year for the tech industry? Price hikes and shortages seems like a pretty bad way to kick off 2026. I don't
Starting point is 02:55:55 know. This is a tough one. Because on the one hand, there's a lot of bad news. This is all bad news. Wancho has kind of become bad news show. Yeah. But, and this is part of, remember that conversation we had over the kind of the last couple of weeks,
Starting point is 02:56:10 about sort of the bright side. Bright side of tech and gaming. This is one of the things that made its way into the full LTT video on this. Okay, you can go to PC Part Picker right now and you can select magnificent AMD gaming and streaming build. And this thing really is
Starting point is 02:56:31 magnificent. It has a 9800X3D, the fastest gaming processor known to mankind. It has a sick thermal right, giant dual tower cooler. It has a B 580 Pro
Starting point is 02:56:46 A motherboard or whatever. You could get some other motherboard if you really want. Actually, apparently this one's out of stock. Let's see. Everything else is either uh-oh. hold on we might be in trouble okay when I looked earlier this week this particular GPU was in stock
Starting point is 02:57:05 no at time of filming at time of filming hold on let's try and find another one I'm gonna find one I'm gonna find one just a second just a second I'm gonna recover this there's two different magnificent builds hold on hold on
Starting point is 02:57:18 there's an AMD oh shit what am I doing getting distracted RtX 5080 okay okay here we go we go okay so for 11199 okay so that's a little more that's a little more it is uh 17 16 dollars more okay so that's fine my point stands so you just got to go find a motherboard which is fine okay well so we'll pay at most maybe another like 30 40 bucks okay everything else here is in stock cool okay so this is a sick system 32 gigs of ddr 5 6000 cl 30 memory
Starting point is 02:57:53 it's a nice little memory kit two terabytes this is samsung 980 That's a nice SSD. Okay, RTX 5080, ARGB, quick case from Corsair. You could save a few bucks by not going Corsair. A thousand watt, 80 plus gold, modular power supply. This is a sick build for, let's call it, $2650 US dollars.
Starting point is 02:58:17 If we're looking at the guides page of PC Park Bigger, which ones maybe top two? Do you think people are actually building? Hold on. Hold on, that's not quite the point. Eh, okay, I think it matters, but all right. The point is that we did a 4K gaming system build guide 11 years ago. Putting together a top spec gaming machine was $4,000 at that time.
Starting point is 02:58:45 The 4K build was 4K. I actually remember joking about that at the time. So is it bad? Well, yeah, it's definitely bad that, this RAM is more expensive than it was. It's definitely bad that GPU prices are through the moon. But gaming and tech have still kind of been there for us in a pretty big way. The fact that I can buy an absolute monster of a machine for 2,500 bucks compared to the way that everything else in our lives is going up.
Starting point is 02:59:24 it's pretty cool it could be better yeah I'd love it if it was better yeah I also think like the the disproportional hit is not on people buying the magnificent build and that's true
Starting point is 02:59:41 and that's true it's rough yeah it's like even if you're going for the great and like I did scroll down here I noticed there's the entry and modest are like way below the fold hold on
Starting point is 02:59:54 Have a click on the entry level one, though, because, like, I remember building an entry level system for myself back in the sort of mid to late 2000s, and it didn't even have a dedicated GPU. I'm willing to bet this has a dedicated GPU. Yeah, B580. Yeah. So, like... It's showing an MSRP B580. Oh, yeah, there you go. B&H apparently has stock. What?
Starting point is 03:00:15 Out of stock. Oh, in stock. In stock. What is... Oh, okay. That looked, that didn't look green. It looked gray. It looked like a gray circle with a slash through it from here.
Starting point is 03:00:24 I think it is gray. It's just a checkmark, but it's... A little odd. B&H, you should probably use the color green for that. I just, just convention. That's my opinion, which I'm entitled to have. Yeah. You know, you could get banned.
Starting point is 03:00:42 I could. They're allowed to ban me from their site. They are allowed to ban. They're actually allowed to do that. The 32 gigs of RAM for 179 is surprising. so yes you know it could be it could be it could be better but i also do feel like some of this is people just kind of piling on to an issue and rage baiting i don't think it's rage baiting i think you're uh you don't think people posting like a two thousand dollar ram kit is rage baiting a little bit nobody was
Starting point is 03:01:18 buying that anyway maybe a little bit even if it was a thousand dollars before i'm sure there's some of that. This does still definitely suck for people though. It does. Especially on the lower end where like a, because if I remember correctly, the magnificent build, that RAM cost was like a little bit more than 10%. Yeah. Yeah, it was.
Starting point is 03:01:38 On some of these entry ones, I'm assuming this is like a really significant punch. Like when we're looking at great AMD gaming build. Yeah, I haven't even clicked at this one yet. Let's see. Yeah, like the RAM being $314 on a system that is where is it 1,387,
Starting point is 03:01:56 is going to push past people's limits to the point where they might have to step down. Hold on, can you go back to that one though? Sure. But let's, again, let's look at the bigger picture here. So this is a really nice six-core processor. What kind of GPU do we have in here?
Starting point is 03:02:15 We have a 50, ooh, we have a 50-60 TI. A GameStop SSD? Okay, no, this build sucks. What is a game stop? I didn't know GameStop had... I might just generally have kind of issues with this build, though, because what on earth are you doing using... What is this?
Starting point is 03:02:30 Oh, this is a thing. Yeah, this is a thing. That's wild. Sorry, I had no idea. At this budget, you should be using a stock cooler, though. You should not be using an X-chip, which just saved you probably about $40. What else do we have here?
Starting point is 03:02:44 Oh, that 50-60 TI is not the choice. So you should just be using an Arc B-580, which just saved you another $100. plus dollars no not a hundred plus oh yeah which just saved you like another 150 also if i'm spending 70 dollars on a case i'm sure as heck not getting a mon tech and i do not need a 750 watt power supply that's a crappy build this is where i think in this price range you're going to benefit from at least doing a at the very least a bit of a hybrid approach try to get your case used or something i would for sure get one on facebook marketplace
Starting point is 03:03:22 Yeah, this is, this is not, uh, I haven't priced out a rig in a long time. I'm not going to comment, but. Yeah, that's, that's not a good, that's not a well-configured build. Um, is it possible that it was at one point and then pricing changes made it worse? That is possible, but also it's just like got too big of a power supply, which is great if you're trying to future proof. but if you're targeting like around $1,100 to $1,100, then you're, in my opinion, better off getting what you need. 750 watt? Yeah. You'd want to spec down from that?
Starting point is 03:04:01 Dude, if I'm running an RTX 4060? Like, what does an RTX 4060 even use? Like, 200 watts or something? 5060 TI. I'm not sure. Or, sorry, what was it? 5060 TI. Okay, let me check what a 5060 TI is because I don't think it uses a ton of power.
Starting point is 03:04:16 yeah it's it's a 180 watt card i just found it's and then you have a 95 watt CPU what are you doing buying a 750 watt power supply for this thing i don't know how much money you're going to save going down to 650 or 550 or something it adds up though yeah because you could save 20 bucks on your case you could save uh 30 what what i said about 40 bucks on your CPU and cooler you can save what another 15 20 bucks on your power supply you could save 100 150 bucks on your GPU. Okay, now we're talking about an appreciable difference in how much you're paying for this computer.
Starting point is 03:04:55 This is what I spent years of my life doing on the NCIX forums is saving $3 on this and $10 on that and $15 on this and $4 on that. And all of a sudden, you saved some more fans. You saved $100 on your system. That's a free copy of Windows back when people bought that. What?
Starting point is 03:05:16 No one ever did. oh yeah that's a lie dude do you have any idea how many system invoices i have looked at in my life people buy windows this is going to be mind-blowing for for many many members of our audience many members of our audience people definitely definitely buy windows yeah i'm just scrolling through some of the power supplies you're not going to save a ton but you might save 10 bucks yeah which is hey 10 bucks is 10 bucks especially if you don't need modular like oh wait hold on was that one modular uh okay the one in the build yeah well i mean it's like 10 trillion different ones i think yeah it's modular so that's part of the
Starting point is 03:06:00 filters you do not need a modular power supply in a thousand dollar build that's that's silly you should not be doing that so people are just they're making unwise decisions in the configuration and knowing how long a lot of the power supplies have had have lasted i might want to get a a bit higher wattage modular one knowing that I can carry it into my next build sure but then you're going to be making compromises that I personally would consider to be unacceptable at that budget at that budget I'm dollars more on a power supply if I think I can carry it into my next build it all adds up I mean but that's how you end up spending a little more on every component because you could I can make the same justification across the board you don't need 32 gigs of REM today yeah I don't know
Starting point is 03:06:46 if that's valid. You like it. I don't know if saying you can do that for every component is valid though. There are a power supplies that have lasted a what yacht minute. No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that that that that, that, that, well, this could last a little longer if I get a better one. You could say the same thing for the case for sure. Yeah. Like I'll get a slightly better case. I think the case is the other one. You could say the better thing. You could say the better same thing for your CPU cooler. I'll get a better CPU cooler and I'll carry it forward with me to the next build. Especially if you can get new mounting brackets or make your own.
Starting point is 03:07:20 And so my point is, and now all of a sudden, you're, you're kind of buying a different class of machine. And when I'm configuring... I disagree. When I'm configuring a $1,000 build, I'm focused on performance. I don't think I'm getting to a different class machine by spending $10 more on my power supply. But you are, you're using a different rationale for how you're choosing your components. Sure.
Starting point is 03:07:39 I am choosing my components at that price point based on what this gets me today. If I can get some degree of future-proofness out of it, then that's great. But I don't think that a 650 or even a 550 watt power supply is going to meaningfully impact my upgrade path. Because at the end of the day, if I'm someone that's shopping for a 50-60 TI today, I am not someone that's shopping for a 70-80 in a couple of years. That's a completely different class of product. And if I am... That might be totally legit, depending on life stage.
Starting point is 03:08:12 and but if I am and my life stage has changed that much you might also get a higher quality power supply that's it would take some research but sure but if you're looking at you know 10 or 20 dollars cheaper you're still getting a quality unit you're just getting one that's rated a little lower and the same way that if my life stage has changed such that I go from shopping for an arc b580 to shopping for a 7080 or something like that all of a sudden I can afford a 1500 GPU my life stage has probably changed to the point where I could offload my old system and I could buy a new power supply. Like, that's the thing. Working at the computer store, man, I thought everybody upgrades their computers. People don't upgrade their computers.
Starting point is 03:08:58 I do, though. I know you do, which is why your perspective is very interesting, but as someone who worked at the store... Yeah, but we're talking to people in the community that might actually upgrade their stuff. Of course we are. Man, there are some ancient power supplies
Starting point is 03:09:14 that are not well priced on Facebook marketplace. This is rough. Well. Look at how old this XFX power supply is. I mean, it's also... 60 bucks. It's also $45 U.S. dollars. I mean, I'd trust that in my system.
Starting point is 03:09:29 It is old. Yeah. Is that 80 plus gold or bronze? Ooh, that's one of their weaker ones. XFX's power supplies from that era. were quality though and I believe this is this is the all wattage available on the 12 volt rail era you can you can double check that by just zooming in really close yeah 744 of this 755 watts is on the 12 volt rail um I would probably check real quick and just make sure that
Starting point is 03:10:02 it doesn't have like a virtual multi rail thing that's going to cause oCP to trip but I believe this is post that as well so I would I would probably trust that x-fx it's not going to be the most efficient thing in the world but it should be reliable it's just so old yeah but like so like three minutes ago you were like well power supply part of the justification for spending more is i can use it a long time buying one without a significant discount that is already ancient how is it not a significant discount what's a 750 watt power supply today i don't know in can well i mean we can it doesn't feel like a significant if only i mean we we can't just go on vibes and feelings right but i'm acknowledging that because we're having a discussion about something that i don't have
Starting point is 03:10:43 up-to-date numbers on this is very reasonable okay okay it is a very significant discount okay yeah i'd be interested to see from like lucas or something like grabbing a bunch of old power supplies like that i oh you know what i wanted to do years ago do you remember the video that we did where we got a brand new eva 580 gt x and we compared it against one that had been used for like 10 years to find out if like, because people imagine that
Starting point is 03:11:17 their silicon devices go slower over time. And we basically had been trying to debunk that for a long time. Like, no. I have vague memory of this. I do have some memory of this. If it runs at megahertz X, then it
Starting point is 03:11:33 is running at megahertz X. Like modern silicon that, you know, has that can that that dynamically uh changes its clock speeds right that turbo boosts might turbo less aggressively over time or your thermal interface material might degrade right and that could impact performance but megahertz is megahertz i don't make the rules it runs at the speed it runs that and if you are imagining that there is some kind of slowdown it is probably because your demands have increased or the software that you're using is
Starting point is 03:12:09 is, well, I guess that's basically just another way of saying your demands have increased. Which is almost certainly happening. Which is almost certainly happening. And you imagined it. Or you imagined it. Those are basically the two options. And you'd have people swearing up and down that running exactly the same software, exactly the same way, it gets slower over time.
Starting point is 03:12:33 So we debunked it once and for all. We took a brand new sealed-in box that EVGA-Fer. for us and tested it against an old one that had been on the bench for years and also in someone's system for years and we ran them through the exact same suite and lo and behold they performed exactly the same because that's how it works did you tim replace the heavily used one i don't even think well we didn't because it didn't matter because there was no dynamic clock speed adjustments on the 580 so the point was if it's running at clock speed x then its performance will be x it's that simple And I had wanted to do the same thing for a power supply.
Starting point is 03:13:13 I wanted to get my hands on a brand new old model power supply and compare it against one that had been deployed for 10 years or something like that in someone's server closet or something. And I was just, I was never able to get it together because everyone talks about how you should budget like 10% for capacitor aging. but my understanding is that's actually super ancient outdated device from like the electrolytic capacitor era yeah like solid state caps from my understanding of them may decay a little bit but not to nearly the same degree that those older power supplies did but I just I haven't really I haven't pursued it recently but I when I looked into it and wanted to do it I wasn't able to find anyone who was able to to get me
Starting point is 03:14:05 an old one. And an untouched. Oh, M. Pocnor 47 in float plane chat for crying out loud. Context matters. They're saying, I understand the point, but megahertz is a terrible metric. I had a Pentium 4 that ran at 3 gigahertz, and my 5800X3 runs at 3.4.
Starting point is 03:14:22 That's not what I was saying. Not what I was saying. We're talking two of an identical product over time. Context matters. Not IPC improvements and stuff. Sheesh. All right. Anywho.
Starting point is 03:14:39 Um, what topic are we even on? Oh, okay. No, we were done that. New one. Modders are slapping 32 gigs of U.M on Nvidia's RtX 5080s. But, spoiler, that's not good news for gamers.
Starting point is 03:14:58 The modded variants are for AI workstations and servers. cool I guess there's really not much to say about it other than that what tier of modders is doing this like is this could people do this at home oh heavens no yeah I didn't think so
Starting point is 03:15:16 yeah I knew there was some like you know back in the Langley house there was some power mods you could do to cards that were like consumer level doable I think it was uh I think it was yeah this already Yeah, I think it was Kingpin, who cut the back end off of a GPU and, like, took the, like, the back end VRM of another GPU and just, like, soldered them together and ran it.
Starting point is 03:15:44 I might be remembering this incorrectly. I don't know, but I didn't even think he cut one off. I thought he just, like, it came out in an angle. He's probably done both if we're being realistic. Yeah. What am I looking at here? Whatever I'm looking at is not something that regular people will be doing. No.
Starting point is 03:16:01 No. this is pretty sick though I love that their test platform just is a hunk of copper on the GPU so that it will run long enough for them to verify post it's just
Starting point is 03:16:15 it is literally a heat sink that's awesome the GPU is sinking heat into this copper slug with no actual active cooling on it whatsoever because it's not worth reassembling just to find out if it will post
Starting point is 03:16:30 that is amazing I'm saying this to the public not to you but you ever seen the palm method I've used it yeah me too you just put your hand on the chip and you use human water cooling to keep it from frying itself
Starting point is 03:16:44 while you just see if it works you gotta go relatively fast that'll get hot real fast but oh man McBain says Linus has not been watching Northridge Fix okay I don't know if this was from Northridge Fix
Starting point is 03:16:56 but I did see a motherboard repair that went viral recently that was mind-blowing like multi-layer PCB repair oh yeah yeah I saw something about that unreal unreal at that point you're just flexing I think by the way um do as we say not as we do putting your hand on the chip yeah people in people in chat are all like yeah I've burned myself doing that lost a couple fingerprints yeah yeah yeah yeah we're not recommending that that's a terrible terrible idea it's bad for your body it's bad for the the electronic device cool good chat uh apple don't do it again apple has been
Starting point is 03:17:36 apple has been fined a hundred sixteen million over app privacy prompts this is wild italy's antitrust authority has fined apple 98.6 million euro saying that one of the company's privacy features unfairly restricted competition in the app store hold on a second though regulators were focused on app tracking transparency Apple's system that requires apps to ask users for permission before tracking them for targeted ads Italy says Apple forces third-party apps
Starting point is 03:18:16 to ask for user consent twice creating extra friction that hurts developers and advertisers who rely on ad revenue but that sounds okay i'm with apple on this one yeah a hundred percent apple argues the ruling prioritizes ad tech companies over user privacy yeah uh yeah and says ATT uh trap tracking transparency gives users clear control over tracking which is great applies equal uh equally to all developers which is great well hold on does it apply equally to apple no that's the one thing that's what I thought this was going to talk about? And does it actually not? Apply to Apple? Yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 03:19:04 I don't use, I don't know, man. The first time you log into an iPhone, it's pretty full of ads to use Apple services like ICloud and stuff like that. I don't know that that necessarily qualifies as a targeted ad, but I would say that an ICloud subscription to someone who owns an iPhone, yeah, I'd call that a targeted ad. Oh, interesting. Anyway, interesting line. Carry on. Not saying I disagree, but interesting line. I don't think it's quite the same. No.
Starting point is 03:19:30 I understand what you're saying. It also isn't not a targeted ad. Totally, yeah. If they know I'm out of storage for my photos, and they give me... The second it becomes storage-based, it feels like it's a little bit more, so... It's still, like, they are still technically different things.
Starting point is 03:19:46 And they sure as hell aren't offering me a cloud storage option from anyone else. Yeah. Does Apple do anti-competitive things? Uh-huh. Yeah. One drive for your iPhone. But is app tracking transparency requiring apps to ask users for permission before tracking them? One of them?
Starting point is 03:20:03 Yeah, that one, I'm more with Apple on. And someone asks, is this analogous to OneDrive in Microsoft? Absolutely. And it's just as fucking ridiculous. See, that's the whole thing, right? Is I often get told I'm hating on Apple, but I hated exactly the same if Microsoft does it. So maybe Possibly what I hate is the behavior and the attitude
Starting point is 03:20:31 And there's a lot of that on Microsoft Oh, the decision follows a similar ruling in France earlier this year Where Apple was fined 150 million euros over the same feature I like this feature though Yeah I really don't care about anything that Apple does That is a big middle finger to the targeted ad industry man back when i i don't i think this comparison makes sense back when tellus was cool they would call you when your contract was about up and be like look we can go kind of two different paths here we can get you more performance for the same price or same performance for less price choose your path and it was always like what a great phone call to receive and then they stopped doing that because they're dumb um i don't have a i got an email from them like talking about a few things because i called them out for a practice that i was going to like actually
Starting point is 03:21:25 go after them for and then they fix it so things are good um but i also called that out because i was like this was such an amazing phone call i would get a call every like two years it would be from tellis i would see tell us on the caller id and be excited because i was like nice i'm either getting faster internet or less money being taken away and there was a great call every time blah blah blah their argument was that like people hated the calls i'm like there is no way that people hated those calls more than their bill going up without them knowing that it's happening. Or their neighbor getting a better
Starting point is 03:21:56 deal than they are just because they didn't know. Yeah. So like there's actually, that's just a BS excuse. And they could have also done it as an email if people don't like the calls. You definitely figured out that this just like... They could have applied it automatically. Cost you money. Yeah. Yeah. There were many other,
Starting point is 03:22:13 there were many other paths to take. So like, don't tell me the thing. Tim 0000X3 says the do not track button on iPhone is the reason that I use iPhone. There are apps that I desperately need on Android, but I can't justify it. I could use a hardened version of Android, but the best one to do that with is for the pixel, Graphene OS, shout out, and I don't want to give money to Google. Tim, I have an idea for you.
Starting point is 03:22:38 Buy a secondhand pixel. You can have a pixel, you can run Graphene OS, you can give Google $0. Just an idea, just a thought. Pretty good. WGD-118 says Linus, do you have more? more knowledge about the targeted ad industry now that you're buying ads for LTT store for the backpack and screwdrivers. I'll be honest with you. I am not buying those ads. I don't know anything more about it other than what I know from like the news and, you know, learning about it and
Starting point is 03:23:06 stuff. Yeah. The other part of what I was going to say is whenever my phone mentions like, hey, we noticed that these apps have privacy features on them or whatever and you don't use these apps very much. Do you want to remove their privacy features? That's such a like, thanks, bro. Such a bro notification. Thanks for sending me that. I wanted to see that. Thank you very much. Even if I'm like, no, those are fine, very happy to receive that notification, just like that tell us call. There are certain things. This app tracking transparency, I want that pop up. That's a great pop up. Thanks for giving me that pop up. Heck yeah. Anyways, moving on. Is that it for topics?
Starting point is 03:23:49 Yeah, it's after dark. You have a thing up here playing Expedition 33. Oh yeah. I'm really enjoying it. Yeah? Good. I'm playing on the GPD Win 5, which is... Oh, that's the big chonker one, right? No. Oh.
Starting point is 03:24:02 It's the reasonable-sized one that Applevision Pro style has a tether to a battery that like you could put in your pocket. Except this is pretty funny. You just played in bed. I put it in my pocket when I was sitting at the kitchen nook table eating my bedtime cereal that I'm back on because I lost a bunch of weight, so what's the downside? I mean, that's not really how that works, but hey, whatever. What am I going to do?
Starting point is 03:24:36 Gain back my weight? I'm still exercising, so like, whatever. Which, honestly. I was clearly calorie in calorie deficit. So if I'm just going to like consume some more calories and keep working out, I was I was playing badminton with a former Canadian Olympian. Is this yesterday? Yeah, yesterday.
Starting point is 03:25:00 She's super chill. Wrong one. That would be impressive. There we go. Yeah. So. Cool. She came by smash champs and was hanging with us.
Starting point is 03:25:14 What did she think of the facilities? Her and her husband, Bobby Milroy, who is also back in the day, pretty hardcore. He was a little younger here. But yeah, absolutely, like, they're older than me and Yvonne, but they were pros. Right. And it's just... It shows. It's a completely different level.
Starting point is 03:25:38 Like, they can just, they can hit the straight shot. And straight shot doesn't mean straight. it just means the highest probability shot from that position. Do you kind of get what I mean by that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they can hit the straight shot and they can keep a rally going with us or they can just like do like a double pump
Starting point is 03:26:00 or like a weird sort of like, you know, slice shot or whatever and then just we call it an ankle breaker and they can just have you moving completely the wrong direction and then like it goes the other way and they can just like end the rally kind of anytime they want. um anyway what was i talking about uh expedition 33 and then oh yeah expedition 33 so anyway the point is i've been exercising i don't care i eat my bedtime cereal deal with it um oh i however that's fine however it can lead to problems see i was sitting there playing expedition 33 with the battery in my
Starting point is 03:26:35 pocket and i was actually done eating my cereal which is good because i had the bowl with just like a little bit of milk and and my spoon and I went to get up and grab something and I dragged the I dragged the GPD Win 5 off the table which hit the bowl which fortunately it didn't break went onto the floor like splashed milk everywhere and everything lived and it goes to show how changeable our habits can be because there was a time in my life when I was constantly attached to a disc man when I would have been sure to gather up all my things
Starting point is 03:27:15 before I got up from a table but I am no longer that man Bluetooth headphones I was just gonna say have changed my habits I've been uh you know working around the house things are getting
Starting point is 03:27:28 extremely close to being done uh but I've been wearing some Bluetooth headphones while I'll like maybe I'll sit and do something for a little bit and then go do something else whatever yeah and i'll do i'll do this to move the cable that isn't there and it like like i'll go to get up and i'll move the cable out of the way so that i'm not going to like step on it or whatever muscle memory is such a drug dude and it's uh i just feel so weird every time i do it and i don't contact anything and i'm like oh where's the cable then i have to remember that i'm wearing
Starting point is 03:28:00 bluetooth headphones and oh this is so strange that's hilarious yeah oh lordy Ew, people are talking about pouring the milk first and then putting cereal in? It's so incorrect. It bothers me. How do you ban people on Flooplane chat? Yeah, we should. Oh, that's a good moderation. That is literally a wrong opinion.
Starting point is 03:28:20 Have you heard about this? True Nass, ditching smart tests? Yvonne does it. Oh. She's a milk first, then cereal person. So here's her justification. Hold on. She doesn't like soggy cereal. and she doesn't like to wolf.
Starting point is 03:28:35 Is she a rapid top-upper? So she'll top it up. Yeah. However, I think that's acceptable. That is like one of the few times. If you're pouring milk into a bowl and you bring the cereal with you, she'll have the cereal at hand on the table. She gets a pass.
Starting point is 03:28:52 That's allowed. Yeah. So. She gets a pass. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I still don't like it.
Starting point is 03:29:00 I still don't like it. I don't like it either, but she gets a pass. But in the same way. way, just like I don't like it, when the toilet paper roll goes, uh, goes, uh, under instead of over. I understand why. And cat owners will understand why. That's right. They go like this and it doesn't unravel. Yeah. There can be good reasons to do bad things. Speaking of, uh, anything about that, I don't, we have no notes on this. I don't think it's a topic. But true NASA is ditching smart tests?
Starting point is 03:29:35 Do you have thoughts? Yeah. Oh, wait. I haven't talked about Expedition 33 yet. Okay, yeah, we'll come back. I like it, and I especially like playing it on the Wim 5. That thing is a monster. It strikes Halo.
Starting point is 03:29:47 Oh, okay. Yeah. So this is like an over $2,000 U.S. dollar handheld. What a sick name. With a, with a freaking, like, umbilical cord on it. Like, it's the least sensible, like, most out-of-touch device that I've, probably used since the Vision Pro, which conveniently also had the same tether problem, not conveniently, inconveniently, inconveniently enough that I don't think they're making anymore.
Starting point is 03:30:14 Apparently they're cutting production back, which to me is a big surprise because I wouldn't have thought they were making them at all at this point. I would have thought they would have plenty of inventory from their first order. I think there are some professional use cases that are like pretty stoked on it. Cool, good. But not very many. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Have you played Expedition 33? No. Is your computer back up and running? It was and it is no longer.
Starting point is 03:30:39 Nice. Because now we're... Solid. My dad was putting baseboards in when I left the house today and they're being painted over the weekend. And then things will be getting put back in place next week. Okay. Cool. Anyway, not that you need me to endorse it, given that it practically swept the game awards. But I am enjoying the crap out of it.
Starting point is 03:31:00 And I am doing something kind of different. and fun with it, I am playing it in French, which I... That's cool. I am way... I need subtitles. Sure, but that's cool. But what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to understand the dialogue. Oh, that's pretty sick. And then I'm checking.
Starting point is 03:31:20 And what's funny is the reason that I started doing it was completely not for that. It was not to practice my French comprehension. It was because I like playing RPGs, sorry. I like playing RPGs Sorry Well I call it a JRPG It's not developed by it Yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 03:31:38 But I like playing RPGs not with English dialogue Isn't it Japanese style Not Japanese developer? It is but I don't know There's a lot of Western influence in this one too I wouldn't okay There's a lot of Japanese influence But yeah no I just
Starting point is 03:31:54 Yeah I It's a What it definitely is is an RPG Sure yeah So let's go with it that. Got it. And so I don't like English dialogue because I come from the RPG era where everything
Starting point is 03:32:06 was text and there was no voice acting and when they added voice acting that actually really like slowed down my that's such a line as problem. My ability to play the game. And I find it a lot less
Starting point is 03:32:24 if they're going to if I'm going to skip through something. Oh that totally makes I actually find it way less distracting if the dialogue is in, so I'll usually set it to Japanese because usually Japanese is an option. So if I want to, so I played Final Fantasy Tactics like this, I get to enjoy the original Japanese intonation with my English comprehension, and I can skip it in the middle of a sentence.
Starting point is 03:32:52 And it's not really going to affect you. And I'll never know the difference. So that was what I actually was setting out to do. I went to switch it to Japanese because I didn't know or care which, other options there were because I was like that's what I always do I always just switch it to Japanese and then the first option was actually French
Starting point is 03:33:08 and I was like oh yeah that makes sense why don't I try that and I'll see if it like bothers me because I have a little bit of comprehension of it I'll see if it works the same way and I find French no offense to Japanese no offense whatsoever I find French to be a very beautiful
Starting point is 03:33:25 language to just hear more so than Japanese sorry sorry my personal opinion you can ban me for it um and i switched it over and i understood more than i thought i would and i was like okay well this is a fun little exercise why don't i why don't i try to like pick up my french comprehension a little bit it's really tough with like thickly accented characters oh yeah and stuff i can imagine but with all of the playable characters so far um there's a lot of like vocab that I'm missing, but it's been good. It's been fun. I think I've told you about
Starting point is 03:34:03 this before, but the first time we went to Germany for like the Senheiser thing, I think that was the first time I went to Germany for work. Um, it was really interesting because I had taken a little bit of German in high school. I was definitely not fluent, but I knew some stuff. And I could have like extremely basic conversations. Um, and then it had been many years. So I had lost most of that and there was, there's no, I don't know anywhere around here that I could converse with. So it was just loss for years. You could try to speak German to me. And I'd, sure.
Starting point is 03:34:31 Yeah. I can give you one of those. I can't anymore, uh, which is part of the story. But the first time we went, it was very interesting because I could, I could pick up on a lot. I could kind of understand the point of a conversation, even though I might not necessarily understand all the details. And right. I could maybe order things at certain like restaurants and stuff like that, um, ask for
Starting point is 03:34:51 the receipt, do basic transactional stuff. One worst, please. Yeah. Your best. Stuff like that. Yeah. I could understand numbers, things like that. And then big gap in time.
Starting point is 03:35:01 I went there again. I was going to say this year, but I guess last year. But like not that long ago last year. And I had lost a bunch of it again. Makes sense. Makes sense. But there was still definitely things, like he said V Gates. There are still definitely things where I can like pick up the general idea of what's happening.
Starting point is 03:35:23 And it's very, like, mentally stimulating. German probably has a word for that. Like, the, the Idear Schlagen, Vinceardust, Bulls. Yeah, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. Okay, apparently I will not be banned for enjoying French, as long as I don't watch anime in French. Hmm, okay. Seems fair enough.
Starting point is 03:35:43 That, that does seem pretty fair. Just like the Avon situation? Yeah. I think that gets a pass. That seems fair enough. That makes sense. Okay. What did you want to talk about next?
Starting point is 03:35:52 The smart test, TruNAS, they're ditching smart tests. Oh, yeah, I don't like it. And this is... They say they're not reliable. Yet another reason that I backed HexOS is that I just... So TrueNAS's position is that you can just use a third-party tool for it. And that's cool. But that's one of the reasons that TrueNAS, which is great, and I'm so glad that it underpins HexOS investment disclosure.
Starting point is 03:36:18 But that's one of the reasons that for general consumers, it's an even... prosumers. It's just not something that I can recommend with a straight face because unless you're you do this for fun or you know you already have to do it at work anyway so you know how it all works. It's just
Starting point is 03:36:36 not practical to administer for the average enthusiast even. And if you are one of the people out there who considers yourself an average enthusiast and you totally administer Trunas and you love it, then congratulations. You're not an average enthusiast and that's fine.
Starting point is 03:36:52 you're like really into it and that's that's super cool and that's really great and here's a gold star for you um but most of even the LTT community is not going to want to dig through some of the arcane crap that um true NAS forces you to jump through sometimes to do very very seemingly simple things which you know again like you said you might do it for fun that might be part of the entertainment absolutely it might also not be Okay. I think we're done topic, Stan. Yip-dupy-dupy. Nice.
Starting point is 03:37:38 Nice. What were people liking today? Were they picking up the new, uh, the new shirt or like, let's have a look. Bitset, crash out T shirt and, uh, bit set. Oh, big case. Oh, nice. Nice. Quality.
Starting point is 03:37:52 All right. Got some messages here for you guys. Nice. Greeting wan.dl from the UK. Question for Linus about his hands-on with the steam frame. How well did the frame accommodate a large nose? Speaking of someone with a big old schnauz myself. Pretty good, actually.
Starting point is 03:38:12 I definitely need to spend some more time with it. I need to play longer sessions where I'm moving my head around. like I want to I want to yeah you had like no time yeah and I look I'm not I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist or whatever but I think Valve did not want me to make as deep a video as they know that I will and that I did because that would be true I mean yeah that wouldn't even necessarily be that unreasonable no but also then don't tell us everything this was completely within your control to like they didn't have to have a transparent
Starting point is 03:38:52 version of it that we could like see into you know like if you want to control the scope of the coverage there's a lot of other ways to do it I'd be so sick if they sold that one other than forcing me to other than forcing me to have like not enough time to do a good job anyway I'm not the point the point is that before I made a definitive statement on that
Starting point is 03:39:13 I would really want to play for longer sessions especially in games where I'm moving around quite a lot because sometimes it's not obvious immediately but little movements and jiggles can kind of they can wear away especially if they like really hit on the hard parts right here or here's an alternate answer
Starting point is 03:39:35 my opinion is that it's shit which is not it's not about okay, it could be more valid than anyone else's because I've actually tried it, but I was trying to demonstrate a point. If you don't know, then you should just say you don't know. You shouldn't make definitive statements.
Starting point is 03:39:56 Yeah. Wait, I think I figured out a way to ban Linus. From where? Nice. See, I was imagining that he had, some kind of like low color depth filter and I was going to be banned or something. Oh, I thought he was going to replace your side with a frame with you not sitting there. Oh, that'd be pretty good too.
Starting point is 03:40:26 Which I still thought was happening when he slid in the... No, I don't have any plates. I moved the camera today. A mirror. Oh, a new laptops too. A mirror of Luke's side would actually be pretty funny too. Can I even do that? I bet you could figure that out. I think you could. I think it'd be kind of hard to watch though.
Starting point is 03:40:44 I know how I could do that in OBS. You're throwing shade on V-Mix? No, I just... I'm going to have to ban you now? I just have never used V-Mix. I don't know anything about it. Next up, gearing up for the first plane trip, 13 hours with our three-month-old
Starting point is 03:41:03 because of a family emergency. Oh, double, ooh. Oh, I wonder if you had some memorable, difficult things with the used-to-be newborns. Oh, man. Yeah, well, we did a trip to Asia to see Vaughn's family when my second was I think one or like one in change and um I wouldn't wish traveling with an infant or even a toddler honestly on anyone not on long
Starting point is 03:41:31 haul flights like if you're just doing a little one and you can just like zonk them out on the iPad for a couple of hours that's probably fine but as soon as you're getting over like four hours on the plane they get antsy they get cranky they don't they don't know how to sleep they don't let you sleep like it's just a recipe
Starting point is 03:41:54 for misery man I'm sorry for whatever you're going through in your family emergency and I'm double sorry now that you are having to take a three month old traveling with you and I think that like I had someone like profusely apologizing
Starting point is 03:42:12 to me for their kid crying on a flight recently because they were like right in front of me. I was like, bro, why do you think I brought these? You're good. I get it. It's part of the experience. You just have to. You don't want to be here either. I know you don't want to be here 10 times as much as I don't want you here. So like, you know, if I don't want to deal with that. It used to bother me a bunch and then eventually had to success. We're all cattle in a tube dealing with their own problems. And you just got to just own the confines of your little seat area that you have, make it the best experience you can, given all the variables around you,
Starting point is 03:42:54 and get through to the other end. That's really not that deep. Do they just, like, not want to pay the check bag fee or what? For the child. You know. All right. Next up. A little crate.
Starting point is 03:43:06 Yeah, put it with the cats or the parrots or whatever. All right, let's see. Is it a natural monopoly in a high barrier of entry industry like a bad thing? In the case of ASML, it seems more of a reward for technological innovation, which incentivizes innovation. So when Luke and I say monopoly bad, competition, good, our perspective is as consumer-aligned representatives from the media. So that kind of makes sense? And in general, I think that we have benefited more in our lives
Starting point is 03:43:50 from competition than from successful companies monopolizing their industries. I would also say that even if that disproportionate, or maybe even not even disproportionate, even if that high reward could incentivize others to try to compete during that time of one ring ruling them all and others attempting but failing to compete is a bad time for consumers that just didn't need to exist if there was always competition the whole way through. So yes, I can see your argument that it is good to have a really big reward for
Starting point is 03:44:45 really big investment and ingenuity and perseverance. But from a consumer standpoint, that is not the ideal situation. We would rather have more than one competitor in any given space. That's it? what was the what was the core question um can you not see the merit in a in a in a monopoly like asml because oh the huge reward for winning the entire market should incentivize others to chase that huge reward that's okay yeah i think you already answered it it wasn't fully paying attention but i mean that's literally an argument for competition but Anyways.
Starting point is 03:45:40 Had a great white shark show up on a dive two weeks ago. Whoa. Video is amazing. Are you all keeping up with your diving and what animals or locations are still on the bucket list? I have not used it, like practically at all. I think the last time I went was diving with Dennis on Mexico work vacation. Oh, whoa. That was...
Starting point is 03:46:03 I was going to say, I'm pretty sure I'm more up to date than you. I might be further sordid than you at this point. I think I'm only open water. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I honestly don't know if I really care about that because even with open water, you can do a wreck dive as long as your dive master is sirted to guide open water divers on a wreck dive. You can do a deep dive even if the, as long as they're sirted to take you on it.
Starting point is 03:46:28 I could be wrong about this. Do not take this as a quote. I think there are still slightly different. limitations I guess oh and actually now that I think about it when we did that we were taking our advanced open water so maybe that was the context of it we Yvonne and I like passed our advanced open water but we were like you didn't teach us anything oh we just went on a bunch we did it in Mexico so we did our open water here in Vancouver and then we did our advanced open water in Mexico and they just like took us on a bunch of advanced dives we're like we're supposed to know all this like underwater navigation stuff like, you didn't show us any of this. We just followed you around. And they were like, don't worry about that. I'm like, no, I am worried about that.
Starting point is 03:47:10 I don't want a certificate that I didn't earn. I was concerned about this, but did my advanced open water in Greece. And it was actually awesome. The dude was, like, pretty hardcore about, like, you're going to do this right. When we were doing the knot tying stuff, he had me do it blind. Oh, that's cool. Because he was like, you might get. You might not have a mask on.
Starting point is 03:47:33 Yeah. There might be a problem. me you might still have to tie that knot so you need to be able to do it with your eyes closed you might be on a night dive you might be really deep so there might be a variety of variables you need to be able to do with your eyes closed and he also made me do underwater nav um with no references other than kicks oh interesting i had to track so there was one like pair of easies uh basically i had to be able to get back we'd like swim it to a certain point and then i had to be able to go in like uh a square in basically any direction and end up back where i started oh that's
Starting point is 03:48:15 cool and i wasn't allowed to have like a little navigation computer or whatever i had to do it all just with kicks um and it was not he purposely brought us to unclear water right and was there a current too uh i think we did that at one point yeah um and he taught i don't remember the deal behind it but he taught me how to like try to do that a little bit better and he was like you know it's not going to be perfect but if you're trying to get back to a boat you can kind of use this information to help you get back to a boat um which but yeah he was awesome actually yeah all you've taught a lot of people some have started their own businesses with confidence what do you try to do as a mentor and boss to help people grow what was your favorite teach
Starting point is 03:49:04 moment. Oh man, this is a heavy question. I mean, I don't... You might not be able to say. I don't think that I'm a business mentor necessarily. I'm just, I'm fumbling my way through this. School of Hard Knocks. I didn't go to business school.
Starting point is 03:49:25 I don't know, man. And a lot of the stuff that we do is not best practice. I mean, that's going to be true for every business. Sure, sure. I laugh, but that is true for every business. I just, I just mean we do not, like, optimize a lot of the time. We need to do a bit more optimizing.
Starting point is 03:49:45 We do, we do, we do need to do a bit more optimizing. We do need to be doing some, some optimization. I mean, look, I wrote, how does LMG spend money this week? And it definitely flagged. Was that revealing for you? Like, did you learn things in that process? 100%. It hardcore flagged for me things that are going to need to be optimized.
Starting point is 03:50:10 Actually, here, let me see. There was Chewy put together some, why can I never find people when I'm looking for them? There it is. Yeah, Chewy put together some stuff. Like, basically, we've made a lot of decisions as we've been rapidly growing that, like, made sense in isolation. yeah um but now that we're not no longer do rapidly growing do not necessarily make sense
Starting point is 03:50:38 anymore um we've accumulated a lot of process debt um we've accumulated a lot of sort of bandaid solutions that again made sense at the time but probably don't make sense now um lots of those we something that i don't really talk about in detail in the how does lmg spend money because it's meant to be sort of a snapshot of a particular moment in time rather than a look at trends is that as we've expanded our payroll and we'll talk about this part in more detail in the in the video but as we've as we've looked at improving our compensation overall we have scaled comp in a way that is not in line with our revenue scaling and that's been going on for a fairly extended period of time now like on the order of years um view counts have
Starting point is 03:51:37 been getting better um you know we've been we're kind of we're back to a more sustainable sort of overall viewership but with that said the youtube game is getting more cutthroat you can upload it used to be that if you uploaded a bangor video you might get two million views on it and if you uploaded a total downer video you might get one million views now your bangor video you might get one million views. Now your banger video might hit 3 million, 4 million, but your downer video might get 400,000. So you don't have that same predictable floor. It's down in the basement now. And that's harder to, that's harder to sell to sponsors. That's harder to capitalize on for yourself, like when we're promoting a big deal on LTTStore.com or something like that. And the video that we have
Starting point is 03:52:22 that goes up promoting it, like we can see the difference in performance when it's a half a million view video versus if it's like a two three million view banger right um this was a fun one capital expenditures they get the most attention right like when we buy a fire truck or we buy a big LED wall where we buy like a huge uh sound chamber or a thermal chamber yeah or a three stage chiller from fugger or whatever um capital expenditures are under one percent of our spend under one so you know that's a weird bucket to define though. I guess almost everything's going to be a weird bucket. Well, yeah, it's how you define it. So we define
Starting point is 03:53:01 a lot of what some companies might call CAPX would be, we have under sort of an umbrella that we call overhead. And so for us, we defined our capital expenditures as sort of outlier purchases, particularly for content or for product testing. So, you know, looking at it, like, those are all videos that performed well or series of videos that
Starting point is 03:53:26 will perform well over time right and it's just it's a lot of little things that you only really notice when you write it down and when you like graph it and start to really look at it and go like okay now hold on a second like does this make sense
Starting point is 03:53:45 for how much it contributes to the business does this make sense for how much it contributes to the business up or down in any case So it's the kind of thing that when you're just, yeah, when you're when you're building the plane as you're flying it, you don't really look at it that closely. But we've had a couple of years now of lower production targets.
Starting point is 03:54:10 Like I don't know if people have like noticed this. But if they have, I think they just stopped commenting on it because it was so long. We used to have like a hundred-ish people. We are now up to like 120 people. And we used to. to do six LTTs a week plus Wanshow
Starting point is 03:54:28 plus two tech quickies plus three tech links plus two game links plus two to four short circuits plus shoot there's one I'm missing I don't think channel super oh yeah no channel super fun did overlap
Starting point is 03:54:42 with that schedule for a while plus a channel super fun shoot I'm sure I'm missing something what am I missing oh yeah plus back address whenever that got uploaded and our head count has not appreciably changed in this time that we've been doing anywhere from realistically about three and a half LTTs a week is what we've been averaging
Starting point is 03:55:06 we completely hiatist tech quickie completely hiatused game linked completely hiatused mac address um did I already say tech quickie I think I already said tech quickie sure um and people feel very like overworked and I don't think that they're necessarily just like lying about that so that then leans back to what we were kind of previously talking about of like what are we doing yeah process overhead where's where's the loss what are we spending our time on this engine has a lot of energy waste in in potentially variety of areas so I think that's um I think that's something that we're going to be reflecting on
Starting point is 03:55:54 heavily over the next little while. Yeah. Anyway, you guys can expect that video, probably a little bit after CES. I think Elijah, I saw him turning through the guidance for it. That's kind of getting to be a bit of a, like, superpower of his.
Starting point is 03:56:10 Like, he did the guidance for the, the RAM crisis video that we uploaded earlier this week. And I thought he'd just, him and, who was the editor for that? Him being good at guidance makes sense in my brain. Hold on, I'm trying to remember, I think it, Might have been Kendrick. I'm going to double check, though, because I don't want to give credit to the wrong people.
Starting point is 03:56:31 So this video, a really cool video. Special thanks to the ECC squad. Seriously, though, shout out the ECC squad. You guys rock. Hold on, here's the regular credits. Where's my editor? Yeah, Kendrick. Kendrick was the editor.
Starting point is 03:56:47 So, yeah, between him and Andrew and Kendrick, I thought they just did a really good job. of maintaining really cohesive visuals throughout it that made it really engaging. I thought they just did an outstanding job. Technically, I don't know this because I am actually not the one who determines once and for all if a video is good. You guys get to decide that.
Starting point is 03:57:11 I haven't actually looked at the retention for it. But to me, it felt like a very pleasant, short watch relative to its runtime, and that's usually a pretty solid indicator. I've been doing this for a while, and I usually have a decent sense, but I don't always get it right, though. Right, yeah. Not even, not at all.
Starting point is 03:57:33 Could not claim that. I could try to claim that, but then I'd be a big liar. Yeah, retention's really strong. It's like well above average. Nice. Yep. Yeah, so good job, guys. Hey, LLD, got the wife interested in the Techhouse series.
Starting point is 03:57:51 What ideas do you have for spouse approved slash? Hidden Tech, going to be following and upgrading along the way. Thanks for the amazing content. I mean, a big one is, I think we're going to be getting a lot better at wiring and cable management, because I'm a big fan of eliminating batteries and wireless technology from my life, and I'd like to find ways to do things as wired as possible while maintaining really strong spouse approval factor. So this is a bit of a derail, but part of the, my place will be kind of fresh plan is that I
Starting point is 03:58:31 want to have some self-hosted IoT things going on and some other stuff happening for once. And one of the problems that I've ran into that, you know, I'm probably going to try to solve it before the tech house, I guess. But where our computers are going to be now, there's a cat 5E through the wall, that cable in the wall. I'm, so, haven't done the testing because again I've been focused on other grander stuff but it could be yeah that too it could be um the the short cable going from router to patch instead of the cable through the wall but I think it's a cable through the wall uh that cable might be messed up the second a significant load happens my computer like it's blinking
Starting point is 03:59:15 ethernet cable and I lose all networking hopefully it's just the termination hopefully hopefully but I don't know so I might have to figure out how to fish that cable nice solid everything with this place just turns into like oh here's a new project
Starting point is 03:59:32 that I've never had to try to figure out how to do before and you're finally going to finish it and then you're going to go you know what time to move maybe it's time to yeah
Starting point is 03:59:42 I've been been rather aware of that yeah no comment that's uh that's your thing to figure out in terms of your timing yeah but uh yeah cool good luck with that yeah actually both ends you can just pull a new yeah i know my problem is how it fishes through yeah it depends on if it's like stapled to the studs and stuff too so i don't know that um and it's it's very far from reasonable angles and stuff
Starting point is 04:00:14 and seeing how this place was put together it'll either be just draped there and easy to do because no one cared to do it properly or it'll be like oh i don't know 17 staples in one spot for no apparent reason cool um so we'll see oh here's a quick one uh the pebble round two was apparently just announced that looks good yeah it looks actually pretty sick wow i get it though that's very funny round two all right all right all right all right all right that's pretty good All right, that's all. As a former Kyoxia employee, I was amazed to see the fab tour you got. Surprising they let you see more than I could working there.
Starting point is 04:00:59 What's your take on how the audience liked it? And what's next? Hopefully more is next. I love doing that kind of thing. And yeah, I was very impressed and pleased with the amount of access that we were able to get. It was a battle to get as much access as we did. I can tell you that. um we had a meeting with as many as i think it was like 20 people in the room and another 20
Starting point is 04:01:23 on the call um sort of talking through the plan for the next day after our first day of shooting and like to be to be clear i don't mean this in like a disrespectful way or like an antagonistic way um these sorts of things are always kind of a battle um yeah because these are closely guarded corporate secrets that have never been talked about or seen before like to your point you could work there and not see things that we saw and so I understand why
Starting point is 04:01:54 they're a little cagey about us walking around in there with like people aren't allowed to bring their phone in and because they might snap a picture here and there and we're walking around with a full kit right and it was incredible
Starting point is 04:02:10 and I'd love to do more of it if there's other companies that that, you know, want to chop through all the red tape that's involved in getting us that kind of access so that we can bring people along for the ride and help them really appreciate what it is that you guys are doing over there, then we're super down. I love it. Oh, I haven't seen it yet, but apparently Veritasium did a really cool video this week on ASML's. Oh, it was incredible. I've not seen it. Is it cool? That's cool. Yeah, I mean, have to watch it. Does he like go there? Yeah. Oh, that's exciting. And they go into some really technical details, and it's just awesome.
Starting point is 04:02:47 He's just a phenomenal job. Last one I've got for you today. Hey, Luke, heard that getting tips from Wendell on building an LLM server. Would there be a chance to follow along with your home lab journey? I don't know, maybe. I'm starting to question its feasibility based on GPU pricing. I've got a couple you can borrow if you want. Yeah, we'll see.
Starting point is 04:03:10 I definitely, so I've got a variety of goals. but yeah, we'll see how this stuff gets sorted out over time. There's like, I've been preaching local LLM for a long time, so I really want to actually do it because I don't want to be like telling people that they should look into it and not look into it myself. That seems lame. I don't really know where you're getting at with this.
Starting point is 04:03:38 You have a variety of what? And that has to do with a local AI server? What are you bringing? Gulls? Goals? Goals. No, I know. I'm just playing goals.
Starting point is 04:03:48 You said goals. Okay. It's only got one sinus. Leave me alone. Yeah, really. Sorry. But yeah, I've been having a bunch of fun watching, yeah, Jeff Geerling and Wendell and other people's stuff. I've wanted to do home lab-y things for a long time.
Starting point is 04:04:08 So this is going to be my dive into that, both on the networking and the server. side of things I want to do in a lot of cases self-developed in some cases just self-hosted IOT things I want to do some self-hosted services I want to have my own home video distribution instead of just borrowing others I there's a lot of different goals here easy you'd be crazy not to buy it god man but I I mean, my family does like this holiday Valheim server. This is the second year in a row that we've done it. But it's like the solution that we've had is like kind of instable and lags a lot.
Starting point is 04:04:55 And there's issues with it. So like if I could just host that myself, that would be sweet. Like there's just a lot of things where I'm like, this is honestly very overdue. So I'm trying to start figuring it out. But going from zero to the point that I want to be at is like a lot. so I'm trying to research and learn things and figure out how I want to step into this realm. Old Tom asks,
Starting point is 04:05:18 how often do you think of the Roman Empire? These days, for reasons that I don't really feel like I need to get into, kind of a lot. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye. Oh. Thank you.

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