The WAN Show - The Hardest Secrets I’ve Ever Kept - WAN Show November 14, 2025

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It's actually true. Actually such a good show. I have so much stuff that I'm excited to talk to you guys about. The two big ones are, of course, Valve opened the spigot, which is a type of valve, and unleashed upon the worldeth, a truly earth-shattering bit of news for poor Mr. Luke Lafranier, who just bought a VR headset that is not. Not. We'll talk about that.

The steam frame. We'll talk about that. Also, the steam machine, the steam controller, which we need to talk about the name of. Okay? We need to talk about the name of the steam controller. In other news, Linus was here. Holy actual shit. And, and Luke got fucked over on that too.

So hard. Literally. Actually. On Luke Lefrenier's birthday. Yeah. Linus came to our studio and Luke couldn't be here for it. And there was a way for it to have been avoided. I don't know anything about that.

And it was not. It's not your fault. I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything about that. I don't know about that. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Microsoft.

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I do. First off, Taryn wore that RGB sweater to an event that we both went to, and I thought it looked really sharp and did naturally realize it was ours until, like, a day or two ago. Anyways, Microsoft exec says Windows is evolving into an agentic operating system. You picked that? And gets... It's a week of good news week.

No, the reason why I want to talk about... It's the good news week. The reason why I want to talk about this is because Windows is getting disunked right now. That's what all of the intro topics are about. It's Valve doing Linux stuff and Linux guy. You can't call him Linux guy. That is why he didn't want to meet you. Oh, wow.

Speaking of not wanting... to meet or something? I don't know. Another company that can't stop digging is Ubisoft, if I can find the topic about it. They have delayed their half-year earnings report and requested halted trading until its release, which is generally a bad sign. Oh, man. The Linux guy.

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It's upside down, right? Nice. What do we want to do for? I mean, it's got to be Valve. It's got to be Valve. Dude. this guy was like dying because I saw him the day after the Valve event because we were both attending a thing that was farther down the West Coast but for the first 10 hours yeah we were in mixed company so and I knew where he was and I knew the the potential level of importance of that but I I we didn't even have a private moment for me to tell him what was launched basically all I was able to tell him was

things we expected, also something we didn't expect. Yeah, which got me most of the way there, but not the whole way there. Yeah, so it was, when we were finally able to sit down at dinner, and I was able to, like, talk him through it, he's like, dude,

this was this was the hardware launch of, I mean, I feel like this was our Apple Vision Pro. No, Apple Vision Pro was like the, the normie people's like, whoa, interesting.

This is our, whoa, interesting. In the VR space, but I would actually go back even farther than that. This, for your IT, computer, gamer, someone who watches the WAN show, that, that demographic, right there. Sure. This is the most exciting launch since what? Maybe 30 series, RTX 30 series. And when I say 30 series, I'm not talking the bullshit, like, pricing that happened. afterward with the COVID silicon

all that stuff. I'm talking like when it launched. You probably remember where you were when you found out that the RTX 3080 was like 500 bucks or 600 bucks or whatever and it was like the performance was huge over the uninspiring 20 series. Too bad, not real.

Like what would, yeah. But we're talking to the initial news, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The initial news like, like can you what else? What else would qualify here? Steam Deck was high. That was four years ago now. Like it's been a desert, dude. To me, this is more interesting than the initial Steam Deck announcement.

And that might even sound a little bit surprising. But my reason for that is that this actually came with Steam Deck news, kind of as a sidebar thing. And this, to me, you know, we got the indication that this might have been a plan back when they first talked about steam machines forever ago. But this really shows that they're embracing, like, Valve hardware as an ecosystem. which is really cool, very exciting. It's also super exciting that Steam machine is coming Linux-based with SteamOS, and it's just like the normalization of people using Linux all the time for things was already pretty big with the Steam deck,

but now it also being a Steam machine for people that just want a console-like experience because a bunch of people aren't going to care about handhelds, and that's cool, and a bunch of handheld people won't care about a console experience. And that's cool, too. And that's also cool. So now that we have both, it's just awesome. very excited. Why don't we run through the news for anyone that the handful of you that might have missed those somewhat large events this week?

On a random Wednesday, Valve announced the steam machine, the steam frame, and the steam controller. Let's start with the frame. This is their new standalone VR headset that's powered by a 4-9 meter snapdragon arm CPU. It has 16 gigs of unified memory, Wi-Fi 7, 2x2, and this is dual Wi-Fi 5 gigahertz and 6 gigahertz for streaming the VR video feed and for normal Wi-Fi so you can like download games and stuff now hold on a second I don't actually know that it is dual 6 gigahertz that is in my notes I don't remember them telling me that but

the way that they held the briefing made it not just possible but likely for some media outlets to get information that either through just forgetfulness or not asking all the right probing questions others might not have. So, yeah. Anyway, that may be true.

It's in my notes. I don't remember them telling me that. Up to a terabyte of storage on board. The displays are 2160 by 2160 LCDs and range from 72 to 120 hertz refresh rate with an experimental mode of 144 hertz, just like the index. but in spite of it having onboard compute

you know like a like a quest for instance from meta it's so light it's so wearable it's so well balanced with the battery with the battery pack at the back it's nice and tight to the face thanks to its pancake lenses that's actually valves justification for using LCDs so that they can juice the brightness of the displays enough to overcome the loss

from the pancake lenses I'm I've only used it for a few minutes at this point because I was really busy like writing videos and shooting them and stuff while I was in there so I'm going to really need to compare them side by side but if I had to guess because yeah so dual radios enable concurrent 5 gigahertz Wi-Fi and 6 gigahertz VR streaming that's what I understood not what I said from my notes thank you for looking that up no problem um what was i talking about just now something right LCDs so i need to try it i need to try this side by side with the big screen beyond too yeah yeah because that's got oleds but it also has a tether so a big part of what valve is trying to do here is maintain power efficiency for this bloody thing right so i've seen a lot of people push back on valve's justification for using LCD saying well other VR headsets use pancake lenses and OLED displays and it's like right but how much power budget are they using to juice these OLED displays to overcome it there's a cost factor too and that was a major concern that I had for the frame because as soon as I hear it's got a computer on it I go great a computer I don't care about that now I have to buy but man is this anything ever cool I might actually care about the computer, and that is because of the FX compatibility layer that Valve has been

contributing to in order to speed up the development. Fex allows you to run X86 games on the local ARM CPU, which is also running SteamOS. These guys have been absolutely cooking over there. Of course, the most mind-blowing part to me was when I heard about foviated streaming. So a big concern for me, as soon as I heard that Project Deckard

was going to be a standalone VR headset, I was like, fuck! Because Valve was the only one that was left that was doing outside in proper freaking tracking that is accurate and like, just fuck, right? With a tether and high visual fidelity You know, everything else, Applevision Pro was going to using wireless streaming and the quest.

Like, you can use a wire. It's flaky. You can stream wirelessly, but it's imperfect at best. And so as soon as I found out it was standalone, I was like, great. There goes the ecosystem for us people who care about accuracy and, well, yeah, accuracy, low latency. I originally fully agreed with you and had the exact same reaction when I heard about Deckard, but these days with big screen, I'm less concerned because I feel like they can be the champions of that.

Well, we'll get to that. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Maybe not. But when Valve did the demo, showing me their wireless streaming with foviated streaming, so if you didn't watch the video, what it basically means is that they are dynamically adjusting their use of the bit rate that you have. because your connection, your link speed, is only whatever it is, right? And so by focusing their use of their limited bit rate that they have

because it's not a wired HDMI or display port connection on the areas that your eyes are actually looking at, actually focused on, they achieve a level of fidelity that, admittedly, I wasn't looking at it side by side, but that I could not discern from a wired connection. And I couldn't see the, like, I couldn't move my eyes fast enough. We used a shot in the video of me looking around like this, which is not how you would try to beat it.

Like you would try to flick your eyes. The time it takes for my eyes to move to a new spot and refocus is slower than the time it takes for them to track my pupils and reallocate their streaming bitrate budget and how. have that be the highest fidelity part of the scene. I couldn't see it, Luke. Crazy. We'll see. The proof's going to be in the longer term use. I was only able to play Half-Life Alex, which admittedly, I didn't enjoy that much.

I didn't really get through it. I didn't mention that to them. But the other big one that I was concerned about, as someone who has enjoyed full-body tracking in the past, was Beat Sabre. So I've streamed Beat Sabre with ankle and waist trackers, in addition to my hand and head trackers. And I was really concerned about both the ability to move my hands fast enough

without losing tracking, using camera-based tracking. So far, it looks like they have invested heavily enough in the onboard processing on the controllers, as well as in quality inside-out tracking cameras, and the positioning is such that you can get pretty far back before you actually lose tracking, that it looks like that won't be an issue. As for whether you can use base station,

with your older tracker devices, I've seen quite a few people ask about that. I don't know yet, but that is going to be one of the first things that I'm going to try once I have a frame in hand. So, like, this thing is wild. It's so, it's the versatility. The fact that I can get, as far as I can tell,

I wouldn't say zero compromises, because it isn't an OLED. But a low-compromise PCVR experience, now with no tether wow the fact that I can run games locally on this thing right lighter games

obviously VR titles and play those is wow and then the fact that I can play everything from like literal like PC games to media on just a giant screen

like I might do with something like an Apple Vision Pro is triple wow like it's it's it's awesome and literally every criticism that I've seen of it so far I either fully understand why Valve made the choice that they did and and I can and I can I can I can agree with their justification even if I might have done it differently or I think the criticism is just frankly stupid um like man I don't understand how in the year and I'm about to offend some people, I think. But I don't understand how in the year

2025, you can somehow not be aware of nickel metal hydride AA cells. Oh, I can definitely imagine how. How? How would most people outside of this group that's watching this or other similar content have ran into that? Because disposable batteries are so fucking expensive. You'd think they'd look for an alternative. I don't think a lot of people run into disposable batteries in their day-to-day.

Dude, you've been to a Costco lately? You see how big the pallets of disposable batteries are? People are buying the crap out of these things. And all they had to do is go buy like eight eneloups and a charger and then never buy one again. Are grabbing the ones at Costco or grabbing the pack from like IKEA and just not thinking about it ever. Because they throw it in their TV remote and then it lasts for like two years or longer. but double A's going all kinds of things

Kids toys Xbox controllers Adult toys Yeah exactly Maybe people just aren't being super economical about their adult's toys It's just use them less Dude it's wild to me Like you can yeah

Okay so one person one person here says yeah The disposable's last longer in the device Like my God who cares Yes, it's a little bit longer. But literally, if you factor in the time to walk down the aisle and go get the stupid batteries, you've already accounted for the extra time that you'll use changing the batteries slightly more often. Like, it really is not that big of a deal, especially in low usage devices. But they're so expensive.

By what, dude, I have ennoloups in my house that I've had for 10 years. Oh, yeah. That have been through probably longer. Probably 50 recharge cycles. They still work. Like, can people just not throw... Literally throw away money. Like, this is for your own good.

Go buy some nickel metal hydride batteries. What? Why is this funny? It's just that whole sentence. Go buy some nickel batteries. It's just such a funny sentence. We don't even offer them. Not from us.

Just buy it from someone. It's just really funny. I'm sorry. Twitch chat's gonna lose their chat is gonna lose their chat privilege is pretty quick CIRSL will never sponsor us again I don't even disagree with you know that what's expensive rechargeable batteries yeah one time one time buy once cry once yes you can recharge it like 50 times a hundred times do they cost 50 times as much

I'll let you do the actually no I'm not gonna let you do the math because you're a fucking idiot no they don't cost 50 times as much go buy rechargeable batteries you can thank me later we're loose in a last time that's so mad first time dying here

I mean I generally pretty much agree with all that the only thing I don't agree with is like how do people not realize it like I mean it's pretty obvious consumers man At the stores they're shopping at, in a lot of cases, they're just not there. Linus just forgets that he's the smartest person in the room at all times, so... He's just so overwhelmingly intelligent. That's the problem. I'm not that smart.

I hate being the smartest person in a room. He's a really hard time buying helmets. Have you tried huffing paint more often? That sounds like a good hobby for someone like you. Good Friday night. I know what I'm doing after the show to deal with Twitch chat. I'm dying. now to be clear

to be clear to be clear there are situations where an alkaline makes more sense so for like I keep alkalines in my house as well so for instance for instance oh my god this is going all over Reddit

low end kids toys I will tip I'll tip can I can I talk I feel like you can I just talk without being interrupt I'm not even saying anything. Your judgment speaks very loudly. I can't believe you would give a horrible experience to your children.

It's not a... Ruining the next generation. So for low-end kids' toys, where I think it's very likely that we're going to end up donating it before it would even run through an entire battery cycle, I don't want to risk losing my expensive rechargeable batteries. So there are situations where I'll throw an alkaline into something because I'm just like, yeah, this. is very likely to be lost

because like for certain toys it literally will double like the value of that thing if you put a couple rechargeable batteries in it like I'd not forget it I'll throw alkalines in there but and there are devices particularly like super high draw ones that actually don't run properly on

rechargeables there are devices that don't respond well to the lower voltage range of rechargeable batteries sorry not you you're going to lose your chat privileges you're going to lose your chat privileges you're going to lose your chat privileges all of you

I have to moderate I have to read them now you're stuck with them too this is what it's like every Friday there's also a lot of names from float plane that are hanging out yeah I reduced slow mode as well just to make it worse on everyone

okay look the point is that one of the biggest criticisms I'm coming back on topic here one of the oh cool you know what

Twitch chat hasn't lost their privileges yet they can keep it for now the problem is sorry the biggest complaint that I've seen about the frame is the double A battery in the controllers and that was pretty wild to me especially as someone who has knuckles controllers

and an index and has experienced for getting to charge the integrated lithium battery and then had to like charge for 10 minutes play for 15 minutes charge for 10 minutes play for 15 minutes like that is not a better experience than just having a little quad cell charger somewhere near your VR headset and then just popping your dead battery into it grabbing a freshly charged one popping it into the controller and then being ready to go for another full charge cycle it is actually objectively faster to get back up and running and the weight of a double a cell yeah I can see people not being that into it because they have to have like a big metal housing around them compared to like a compared to just like a pack style lithium battery um excuse me pouch style

was the word I was looking for yeah I don't love having the extra weight but for the convenience of being able to quickly swap a battery, I think it is well worth it. And it is, I mean, let's face it, this thing is not going to be cheap. Is there a price out there? No. Is there a price out there on any of this? No. But Valve did...

Make some nudges, some indications? Yeah, they did indicate sort of what they were targeting. And I think the goal was for it to be not more expensive than index. So the headset itself is loaded up to the gills with expensive tech but you don't need base stations so that helps I guess

and then we'll see where the chips fall in terms of pricing but I wouldn't be surprised to see 999 I wouldn't be surprised to see the same price as as an index or rather shoot what's the index what's the index go for in the states index price in USD oh shoot yeah you have to say valve index

otherwise you just end up with all kinds of other things 999. 999. For the kit. I did get that right. Okay. But I mean, essentially... Just the headset is $6.59.

But you're not going to be able to buy this without the kit. So... The headset and controllers is... Oh, wait. What? Oh. What's up? If you want the whole thing...

So headset controllers, base stations, all that, it's 1319. Oh, Canadian. Yeah, Canadian. So that's a grand. Yeah. Okay. all right what are we even

oh yeah wow we're still talking about the valve announcements sure are yeah Elijah's never going home he's actually here to talk about the other big news from this week sure is Linus X Linus um but we I mean we can't move on from the frame without talking about how much

buyer's remorse you must be feeling right now I don't know so he just like two months ago bought a big screen beyond two Well, I bought it before then. I just received it somewhere around there. Have you fired it up yet? No, I still don't have a functional dwelling.

So by the time you actually get to use your big screen beyond two. It might be halfway through 2026. We'll see. The frame, what? I'm kidding. Oh, okay. The frame could literally be like imminently available. Oh, yeah.

How do you feel about that, sir? I don't know. That is such a, this is a podcast. screen beyond is still really cool you can't just say i don't know the big screen beyond is still really cool i don't know how much regret i'm going to feel i feel like i actually might end up with both of them which might sound insane oh i was i was going to i was about to make a joke about how you the regret could be kind of tugging on you a little bit something that because honestly that's i think that's the biggest downside there are still advantages to the beyond two oled displays yes it is smaller and

the lighter. Better light seal because it's bespoke. The light seal is incredible. Literally perfect. Yeah. Literally perfect. Very comfortable as well. Yeah, I don't know if it's as good as the frown. Tough. Depends on how long you're wearing it.

Have you actually worn it for like doing anything physical? No. So the beyond because it has it has like a rubbery type of material like a silicone. It's still literally here. It's in a box on my desk. I'm so sorry. because it uses that material you end up with what I call Swamp Eye a little bit because it's not breathable

Yeah yeah yeah yeah Whereas the deck uses a more A more breathable style material And it has like gaps Like you can kind of You know you can kind of look down And see where you're going With the deck

Not that you like should You should just use the pass-through cameras Obviously but but you can Hot take black and white Totally fine Oh I don't even care Who cares Dude I

Oh man I had someone like come at me in the comments because I, because I criticized it for not being able to walk around with the camera pass through. I was like, bro, I'm joking. I was taking a shot at Apple Vision Pro people who were walking around with their stupid headsets on for the first couple weeks. Yeah. I was like, oh yeah, I don't know. I don't even know if it was a couple weeks. Yeah, a week. First few days. Then that stopped pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really care about the black and white cameras. This to me feels like I have a seated or near computer experience, which is like really dialed, but might kind of take some setup time, move things out of the way, do stuff like that, and then like really settle into like this nice dialed, tethered experience. And then the frame, the frame's interesting for a bunch of reasons to me. I almost want like a travel box for it.

I would use the crap out of the frame on the road. Yeah, being able to, like, play some beat saber. Oh, yeah. And, like, anywhere? Because I actually... On the plane? I'm looking forward to trying this so much. I have a Strix Halo laptop.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is this enough for me to, like, load up all my mods, like, play VR games? Probably. I mean, it's got a USB port, so theoretically, I've got my 6 giga, hurts wireless like I'm dude the frame packs I didn't actually talk about that in the I should start adding some stuff for my notes for the stuff to talk about for the full review but I didn't actually really talk about how tightly it packs up yeah that's something I was genuinely wondering about

because the ability to be portable with this thing is actually very interesting to me this I'm excited about this in regards to I don't know people are going to be like oh you've been able to do this a whole time with the Quest 3. I didn't love the Quest 3 experience. Don't love who the Quest 3 comes from. I think that's the second one is the bigger one for me because

apparently the software's gotten a lot better since we reviewed it. I'm sure it has. They've like apparently I'm just going based on comments on the frame video but apparently it's like improved a shocking amount for software updates. So it might be worth

me kind of checking it out again as as part of this actually i'm going to add that um cool now now that's on there cool yeah um so i don't know i think my like i feel like this is it i don't feel like there's another experiences that is going to be this good might not feel as strong as it did in the past but i i think they're going to be different i think they're going to be quite different and i I don't necessarily think I'm actually going to have that much regret right now, having never actually tried the one that I bought and clearly never tried the one that's coming. But that's my hunch right now. Yeah, you want to talk Steam Machine? Are you done with Frame?

I think we can talk Steam Machine. Yeah. I just, I'm the wireless streaming, dude. It blew me away. I get to have PCVR wirelessly. Wow. oh no there was the last thing what's going to happen to the ecosystem right like could big screen carry on manufacturing base stations for instance at this time valve does not appear to have any partnerships in place for anyone to continue to produce base stations or knuckles controllers they did say they were open to it with that said i have direct contact information for multiple people at valve they are not always the easiest to work with so just because they're open to it does not necessarily mean that

anything will happen i'm not going to have my hopes up until i see yeah concrete action on it um and that it's not it's not a shot it's not a shot at them it's just that you got to understand valves a very small company which headcount wise is actually somewhat true yes which i only mention because you know that excuse was made for some stuff I was like okay sure sure to be clear I'm very grateful that they were able to bring us out to check out the new hardware

I'm very excited about the new hardware and I am extremely excited to learn more as I get to kind of explore it I'm hoping that we're going to have access prior to the actual launch date so that when launch day comes we can bring you guys really detailed okay but no answering all

the questions like thick reviews of all of this stuff because it's basically game changing across the board which I guess brings us perfectly to the steam machine it's a new mini PC that's boasting roughly six times the performance of the steam deck powered by

an AMD 6 Quar Zen 4 CPU a GPU that is a semi-custom design but as far as i can tell this pretty much comes down more to power profile tuning and firmware um and drivers right like the actual the actual silicon appears to be more customized in the sense that amd is going okay so you want to fuse off this and and and not that and um and tune your power profile like it's not it's not brand new silicon 16 gigs of so dim ddr5 memory eight gigs of GdDR6 V-R-R-6 V-Ram and either 512 gig or 2 terabyte SSDs, but the SSD is upgradable to a 2280,

so you could throw up to an 8-terabyte drive with current NAND densities. The big deal is, of course, that it runs SteamOS. Yeah. Linux out of the box and comes with the new Steam controller. It uses TMR analog sticks, has an Xbox-style layout with a PlayStation analog stick layout, with a PlayStation analog stick layout to make room for the two haptic track pads on the bottom,

similar to the steam deck. How did it feel to hold? In my smaller hands, I would say not the most ergonomic controller I've ever held. It did give me, obviously not the same, but it did give me like Duke vibes a little bit. Not quite.

Yeah, okay. She's not so thick, like the Duke. But like tall? She's just, She's just, you know, she's girthy, but not thick, you know, like she's, like she's, she's, she's wide, you know? Oh, this way. You know, she's just, well, no, she's just, she, she's ample. Okay.

I'd say she's ample. Was that not a characteristic of the Duke? Yeah, but, you know, well, the Duke was fat. Okay. The Steam controller's ample. Okay. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. Sure. I don't mean like pH fat. age fat. The Duke was FAT. I think I'm just going to wait to I try it myself. When I was looking at it, I thought that's probably going to be fine for me, to be honest.

I'm actually pretty excited about it. I thought the original Steam controller was really cool. This one seems more versatile, which is neat although, to be completely honest, if you can afford it, I feel like the play is going to be to have a normal controller and then

just maybe also your Steam controller. Yeah. Because the touch pads on Steam controller will be nice sometimes. Yeah, and Super cool. Yeah. And some people are going to just daily the crap out of the touchpads. Yeah. Obviously there will be certain games that will play a lot better that way.

Particularly for old dogs that don't want to learn new tricks, a more traditional controller. And man, there's so many great, super cool, innovative controllers out there. Like after doing that controller tier list video with David where we did the whole like playoff, man, I don't, I don't think you can get away with having a top-of-the-line controller anymore that doesn't have adjustable tension on the analog sticks. Like, it's just, it was so game-changing for me anyway that I was just like, well, everything else is basic now. And that doesn't mean that I necessarily, you know, want to go and replace every controller in my house with those, in some cases, quite expensive aftermarket controllers.

But little brother controllers are the big brother controller now. It's not the way that it used to be where first party was king. What is cool about the Steam controller, though, is each of their puck wireless dongles supports up to four of them, and Steam will support up to four pucks, meaning 16 controllers to one machine, making for hassle-free 10-player tape-to-ta-tape, which is all that I really care about as far as that goes. There's a lot more to break down once we actually, you know, finish reviewing these devices. And there's actually more details in the two main channel LTT videos that we have. up on these devices. You guys can go check those out. But in the meantime, I want to talk about pricing

for the steam machine. Actually, no. What I want you guys to do, chat, get out of here, but is let me know what you would pay for it. So basically, it's a 7600 CPU and a 7600 GPU. This is not a super powerful machine. Valve is upfront saying that they are going to be relying on FSR in order to achieve 4K and even then man like 8 gigs V RAM anyone else would be taking a ton of flack for shipping a game console today with 8 gigs of V RAM yeah so we've got a lot of people talking pricing in here I'm gonna I'm gonna read these 600 600 600 600 600 600 350 800 maybe 600 a thousand you're crazy uh 500 tops or DOA 250 PS550 PS5 so like 500 to 600

599, 699, $699, $500. Okay. A lot of 500 to 600. I don't think so. I can't tell you what the price will be because I literally don't know, but when I said,

you know, I'm disappointed that it isn't going to follow a console pricing model where it's subsidized by the fact that, you know, the manufacturer's going to be taking 30% of every game sold on it over the lifespan of this thing because

I feel that would be a more meaningful product and they kind of asked what I meant by well what do you mean by console price and I said well five hundred dollars nobody said anything but the energy of the room wasn't great so oh a console isn't 500 bucks maybe that's why I mean PS5 Pro is 700 yeah the PS5 Pro but we're talking to pro I mean the pro is markedly more powerful

than the steam machine sure so PS5 Pro radion equivalent I think it's more equivalent to like a 7700 I don't follow consoles enough let me have a look

let me have a look so that is more equivalent to a 7700 XT and then the base PS5 is about an RX 6,700. So the base PS5 is closer to the steam machine in terms of performance. With that said, you know,

it's not like the steam machine, even if it's at $600 or $700, isn't going to have any justification for it. The disk drive PS5 non-pro is $550. Does the steam machine have a disk drive? No. Okay, then. Well, I don't think so.

It has a lot of other stuff going on, though. Yeah, I mean, compared to a PlayStation? Yeah, you can use it as a computer, but I think a lot of people won't. And the fact that Valve is shipping this thing with a controller tells me that this is... A controller with touchpads on it. And all but one demo, all but one demo that they had in their big, like, demo room was it hooked up to a TV. Like, it wasn't, they had the one where it was hooked up to a monitor. I expect people to hook up to TVs, for sure.

Right. I still just think it's, it's not completely equivalent. I mean, yeah. I'm not surprised it would be more expensive. I think it honestly makes sense that it would probably be more expensive. There's not, uh, which one would be more expensive? The steam machine. What is it adding?

It's a computer. Sure. How much are you going to compute from your couch? I can definitely see people using it in that way, and I can see that being a value add for people and it being more expensive because of that. Sure. I'm just saying I understand why the pricing might work that way. I'm not saying it's good.

When you were saying there's more to it, I thought you meant there's like more hardware that I'm not accounting for that would make it like the cost higher. It's a different device. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different device. But, you know, for me, look, the question is like from a performance standpoint, the

biggest justification for what I'm going to hook up to my TV, I'm not computing. I'm gaming. I'm gaming from my couch. so the biggest justification to me is that I can take advantage of Steam sales I don't have to buy things in the PlayStation store that's if it's going to be more expensive that's the more meaningful

There are benefits to it being a compute device on your TV for sure I think saying no to that is crazy I mean hit me You can pirate things Okay but I can't watch like proper HDR Netflix Because it's Linux I mean you could

It would be annoying but you could You can Is that supportive? now because i'm not aware of it virtual machine over if you cared hdr because you have a with what streaming platform sorry what like watching hdr like like drm protected hdr netflix no you can't do that through windows not if you boot windows through anyways sure but then now you're buying a windows license oh sure you're pirating things so you can't pirate the easiest thing to pirate i mean at this point you're basically making the argument of like just going and like you're you're taking this this

we're talking about a console right now i mean at the point of what we're not at the point of at the point of at the point of what you're talking about go build a pc and then just hide it behind your media console i mean in a lot of ways yeah well right but that's not what we're talking about except that's what they're selling sort of actually were you there no okay so that's not really the messaging okay it's part of it your video projects that it's not a console it's It's specifically not a console. It's not a console, but what it is is designed for a very console-like experience. Totally, and it will do that and more stuff, which is my point.

I don't really, I'm actually having a hard time kind of following along here. But basically where we started was I went, hey, I don't really think that there's a lot here that would justify four years later why this thing would be priced like a four-year-old PlayStation 5. and you know if you kind of go like yeah there's more utility in it being open it's like yeah but you know at that point yeah you could just like build a PC and flash a steam OS image on it like it's yeah and they said it will be very competitively priced with PCs so you could do that or you could buy this thing you can do either one yeah if we there's a there's a value to a very significant portion of the population to a more seamless console experience and what you're describing is not that that is that's like the

DIY PC thing right but if I can do both then like if I if I have that level of of knowledge I don't actually need Valve to bring this to me I could have done that already I could do that today so that's kind of where I'm getting a little bit confused with your home theater system thing something that's easily done by end users on a DIY PC. Yeah. So this is cool. Someone flagged for me,

apparently there's a USB dongle that can add CEC to any off-the-shelf computer. I have not validated this, but that's on my list of stuff. I've never heard of that personally. I've never heard of that. It's on my list.

It got a few upvotes. So that's on my list of stuff to validate for the full review of the steam machine because that's a really important sort of... That sounds cool. Yeah, that's a really important element of if you were trying to build the exact same functionality on your own,

you know, what would you have to do? It should be a video. You should try to beat. You should try to beat. You should install SteamOS on it. Cool. Sounds good. Yes.

Of course. But that has to be part of the calculation, right? And you got to go buy a good controller. Like you can't just, you know, buy the cheapest controller and say, oh, well, I have a controller, therefore I am feature equivalent. You could just buy a Steam controller? You mean the old one? Can you not buy the new one?

Well, not yet. We're going to do it first. Got it. So basically the title's going to be I couldn't wait so I built my own steam machine. I'm going to use the old chassis. Do you wait until the pricing comes out and then try to match the pricing? Or you're just going to look at the specs and see what price you can make it for and then kind of beat them to the pricing conversation. That would be really interesting.

don't know because I think there's multiple ways that we can tackle it. The one that I build for myself is actually going to be more powerful. I'm a little disappointed in the specs to be just completely blown. I mean, I think that's pretty fair. A PlayStation 5 today for more than like $500, $600, I'm not excited. It's okay, but it's not exciting to me. To me, the exciting part is just SteamOS on more pieces of hardware that are being sold to people. Yeah, and that's cool

and I'm still four years later very excited for SteamOS to become a more mainstream thing that's easier to install on a wide range of hardware and all that stuff. But in terms of what I need in my life, if it doesn't

come with aggressive pricing, and it was a little surprising to me that it wasn't going to be priced like a console because the steam deck pretty much was and still is. You look at it compared to, you know, the Ionios and the ROG allies of the world, and they are undercutting them significantly. But Valve made the strategic decision in this case not to do custom silicon that would yield them a large savings over a very large volume product, which tells me, you know, a couple of things. One is that they don't necessarily know if this is going to be a high

volume product. This, or it tells me that they don't even want to interfere with the ecosystem, which, you know, was part of the conversation that we had, even though they couldn't give me like, like firm reasons around everything. Interesting, yeah. I mean, they've had much stronger partnerships with especially PlayStation, but also Xbox recently. So maybe they're like kind of semi-joining the space, but trying to do it in a fairly friendly way. And that would be true to the original vision for Steam Machine.

Like, if you recall, Steam Machine, the one that I have, the, like, the, like, prototype, like, wide boy. One, that was not a real product. They launched with partners, like Alienware. You could make it in that box. Of course I am. Come on, man. Come on, man. By the way, I just looked this up.

I don't know if it's the same one that got linked to you. There's a few threads that I found talking about it. Oh, yeah, there we go. And somebody already said that it, like, like works with uh steam deck oh interesting and apparently it advertises somewhere that it's like uh compatible with yeah macOS oh now they say Linux okay USB 2.0 is a disappointment um so i'll have to i'll have to look around there might also be other ones i don't know i'll have to see what's out there but um but that's definitely something that we'd have to we'd have to factor in yeah someone in

in twitch chat uh just said dark horse said pulse 8 yeah these guys are legit and i've seen a few threads talking about them maybe they have a different one that's not you know 2.0a anymore i don't know man i'm i'm excited for the idea of the year of the linux desktop what i'm not excited about is it not having a console like price and the other thing that's great about consoles is the way that they tend to plummet in value like yeah this will have that problem i suspect you well no no no i no i don't think it will really because it's a pc i just the reason why i think so is just the reason why i think so is just because it's like already slow and old. You think so?

Okay, that's kind of a hot take. People don't like people calling it slow and old. Hub's sort of under fire for calling it, I think, slow and old or something like that. Really? Yeah. As a new, as a device that's coming out next year, that feels based on what we expect the price will be,

that feels true to me. Mr. Faray, USB 2. Did I say USB 2 was a disappointment? I meant HDMI 2 was a disappointment. I'd like it to be 2.1 at this point, that, that dongle. The USB doesn't matter. All right. I'm not, no, okay, so to be clear, that 2,500K system that I mentioned on, I think, last WAN show, is playing Arc Raiders right now.

Right. So being old doesn't necessarily even mean that big of a deal. I just think. Well, it's not the CPU I'm worried about. Exactly. It's that 7,600, 8 gig GPU. And the fact that Valve is even talking about 4K. on it.

In fairness to them. They did attach that to upscaling. They are being very upfront that they mean with FSR, which basically means not 4K. Not actually, yeah. But like, we are probably, what,

two years now from PlayStation 6, which means we're probably three to four years from games that are actually going to leverage PlayStation 6 hardware. Meaning that Valve has kind of like a half a console generation before they can't, with a straight face, say, yeah, it'll run basically, you know, high-end games on Steam at 4K-60 FPS with FSR, because all the FSR in

the world is not going to make a PlayStation 6 game running. It just sucks that that's going to be true for such a short period of time, like you're saying. Yeah, exactly. But Mr. Nick 88 in Twitch chat did also say, quote from Valve Engineer, uh, Yazan Alda Hyatt, I think, I hope. Sure. Um, the steam machine is equal to or better than what 70% of people have at home. And that's an interesting comment because it's not, it's so open, that it will, like, if you, if I think about the types of games that I'm usually going to want to be playing on my TV, it will probably be fine for a significantly longer period of time.

Yeah, you can play the crap out of Castle Crashers. Exactly. your steam machine. Exactly. Most like couch co-op things. What's that RV game? Moving out. Oh, no.

That's the different one. RV there yet. Yeah, that. That game, I'm sure it'll run completely fine. But also moving out. Sure. You know, overcooked. Yeah, all those games will be no problem for basically, like, ever.

What's that Mario Party clone, but like more violent? You know the one I'm talking about, right? He would know. Pummel party. Yeah, pommel party. Like stuff like that's going to run on it. No problem. Right?

So to be clear, I'm not saying it's, like, bad. No. I'm just saying that, I'm just saying that compared to a PlayStation 5, which I can literally get on Facebook Marketplace for, like, what did I pay for the one in Scrappyard Wars? Like, less than $400 Canadian dollars? Yeah. Yeah, that's tough.

That's tough. That's tough. And there are benefits to a device like that over this. Like, for instance, being able to stream protected content, which, and I get it. I know our audience is, there's a lot of, lot of piracy there's a lot of sailing the sailing the high seas yes but that's not everybody right and so we do have to acknowledge that for a lot of people the steam machine is not just going to be a no-brainer like no obviously anything else is stupid i think another thing that'll hurt it and

i i didn't articulate this earlier but i did mean to earlier i just forgot um is that i don't think this is going to have uh a almost unique less value it is cool it's it's it's the first steam machine that's actually publicly available it has steam OS all that kind of stuff for sale well i mean there were the old ones they were for sale oh i didn't even know they actually bought them okay yeah i didn't know they were actually went for sale uh i thought anyways whatever um something about old consoles that keeps their value is the like there are probably games that only work on this or it had a very unique experience for some particular reason.

Yeah, so the way that they drop because there's so many of them, but then they hold. And then they'll go up. And then they'll eventually, I don't think that's going to happen here. Exactly. It's just going to be an old computer. Yes. Which, yeah, we'll see how it goes. I find old computers will, again, they'll drop and they'll hold for a long time, but then

they just plummet. They'll hit a wall where it's like, this just kind of sucks now. It's not getting driver updates anymore. These various things are happening. I mean Linux, though. And then get ditched. Linux, though. The fact that it runs Linux and you don't have to worry about Microsoft just like

rug pulling your ability to boot the latest OS that's getting security updates. That might help it be more legit for longer. Yeah. I think there's going to be a lot at play in its ability to hold value. Oh, for sure, baby. Okay, the last thing before we bring Elijah on and talk about Linus X Linus is the steam controller. Yes. Specifically the name.

So I took a bit of a shot at Valve for calling the Steam Control. Steam controller when they already have a product called Steam controller They sure do They sure do Like if you Google Steam controller So Steam controller on Steam the picture is the old one

You click on it and it's right there They did add 2015 now Yeah So I did take a little bit of flack for this In the comments as well That's a stupid critique Linus That one has been long discontinued. There's no way that anyone would get confused about it

when the new one is like, you know, obviously the new one. I googled Steam Controller. And my response to that is no. This is unconscionable. This is not okay. Nothing can ever be named the same thing exactly as another product because it serves literally no purpose other than to be confusing. so counterpoint you're right in the near future there won't be a ton of confusion because all the

SEO will be towards the new one yeah okay well here's something what if you have an old one and you're trying to do a battery swap or something like that on it well i guess go fuck yourself cool also what about 10 years from now when they are both old and obsolete and you are trying to find information you're trying to find a how to guide or you're trying to well I mean yeah that's that's the biggest one is it pretty much my my objection to this comes down to ease of finding information and right to repair calling something the exact same thing is completely unnecessary completely unnecessary and can lead to nothing but confusion and when I asked Valve point blank why did you do this they said it was because it would reduce confusion that was actually the fucking reason which to me I don't

I don't accept in the plate devil's advocate sure Apple's done this forever yeah which is exactly what I brought up and they acknowledged what a problem it is and I do think considering the amount of steam controllers out there

especially that are still in use this might actually reduce confusion because the amount of people The amount of people that will have the new one and just not even know the old one existed. But tell me this. If they called it Steam Controller 2, it would have been fine. How would that confuse anybody? I don't necessarily think it would.

I have a fun thing, though, that's going to hurt some people's brains. Is this actually how it works? Does the USBC port not line up with the little LED thing? Don't worry about it. What? Get this. Get this. What?

No, you can't move on from that. We're not done yet. Bring that back. We're not done yet. No, we're not going back to that. No. So when I talked to them, I was like, look, guys, do you want to be Microsoft? Like, do you want to have stupid naming schemes that don't make any sense? Or, like, look, you know, look at one of the other players in the console space. Sony hasn't run into fucking confusion.

Okay. By calling the PlayStation 2, PlayStation 2. Here's a question for you. I'm not done yet. Why did it not bother you that it's called Steam Machine? No, no, I'm not done. So they didn't run into confusion calling it PlayStation 3. That's not confusing.

In spite of the fact that far more people bought a PlayStation 2 than a PlayStation 1, consoles went way more mainstream, especially in the West around PlayStation 2. Like way more. It moved so many units. That's not confusing. And the same thing, I said the same thing, Dual Shock, Dual Shock 2, that's not confusing. Nobody's confused. And they went, well, yeah, but what about Dual Sense?

I'm like, yeah, what about dual sense? It's got a completely new ergonomic design. It has their sense haptic triggers. It has a clearly differentiating feature. And also, it's not called the fucking same thing. It's called dual sense. It has a new name. What about Steam Machine?

So Steam Machine's stupid too. Okay. Steam machine, I don't mind as much, though, because literally not a single one still exists. Like, everyone who bought those put windows on it. you literally like can't like that that ancient original steam OS that ran on it they used invidia GPUs back then right like that you literally can't even install new steam OS on it steam machine is more of a concept which or was more of a concept at the beginning you didn't

buy a steam machine you bought an alienware whatever part number and it was listed on steam as a steam machine so this is a steam this is the first first party steam machine okay so i can at least kind of get behind that. I didn't know it was like I remember it was through the OEMs. I thought they had a first party one as well. The first party one just went out to press to try out Steam OS and experience the ecosystem.

But it was all third party. That's not that bad then. So this is one of those things where the only reason to call something the same thing is to unnecessarily screw up search results which Luke managed to demonstrate

far more succinctly and easily than I had even thought to do it. Dude, I was actually stunned that it came up that way. I'm not, because this is a serious fucking problem. Anytime you try to fix... And just to prove the first result is the old one. The second, and it says you visit often, I've only visited it today. The second result is the new one. There is no reason to do this.

Like, if you've ever tried to find what version of iOS is supported on an IP? if you don't pay super close attention and you know like oh this is the late 2017 one or there's like little tiny letters on the back that you can like pull out a magnifying glass and like search for that specific model and it's just called iPad it's like fucking worthless if you're trying to replace a screen or a battery or a home button or whatever the case may be and just find information about the bloody thing that is the only purpose that it serves and the really infuriating part of it is that Apple knows better for their cash cow for the iPhone they all have a clear a clear name that is different from the one before and different from the one after they're all

clearly named it's it's it's it still fits under clearly named but in my opinion they faltered for a second with the X but then they they came back they came they fixed at least it had a name that was not the same as any other I totally agree it just wasn't as good and then they went back to being good again And to be clear, Apple doesn't do everything perfectly in this regard either. The new SE is called 16E instead of just calling it the, and the SEs were actually kind of dumb because they had like SE and then SE second generation. Like they have made mistakes.

I don't even know that. But those are mistakes. Those are not okay. It's never okay. And no, it was, because I could, I could make the exact same statement. We called it Steam Controller so that it wouldn't be confusing. I could see the exact same thing. We called it Steam Controller 2, so it wouldn't be confusing.

Which of those actually made more sense to you? Team controller 2, for sure. Of course! Yeah. Yeah. I just, I can't, whenever someone gives you a reason, and I use the word reason very loosely here, because reason implies logic, and logic is math.

Whenever somebody gives you a reason for their actions that does not logic, then what it means is either they're stupid or they're lying. Those are the only answers. And I don't know what Valve's game is here. I don't understand this but I don't agree with it and I will never agree with it no two products should ever be called

exactly the same thing ever speaking of not agreeing with it I looked up images and references and stuff like that and the USBC port does line up with the middle of the controller I think that animation that they have is just not correct

or maybe the magnet is off centered oh yeah it's not plugging into USB port no it looks like like the magnet centered it's probably just the graphic i wouldn't worry about that that is like the least oh it will bother the engagement rate out of people it will bother people i don't actually remember where it was i'm sure it's fine it all looks centered i looked at yeah yeah a volpling chat seems to be back oh really for now maybe for now maybe oh we'll see how it goes that's fine should we talk about linus x linus yeah dude

It was the best thing ever. I mean, it was weird hearing him say that he was glad that Luke wasn't here. Don't even. Is this mic on? It will be in a second. Just wait for him to get settled. Do you want to give it a quick tap for me? Okay, wait.

I actually do think chat is actually properly back now. Thank you, AJ. Headphones and everything. Yeah, you're mad. Nice. Can you hear okay? Yeah, we, we sprained for the headphones. Give me a tippy tap, just on that.

Perfect. Okay, hopefully this isn't too loud. Let's do this thing. Speaking of having two things named the same. There we go. Yeah, how confusing was that I, I've never really gone through that? It was quite funny every single time being like, hey, Linus, and then both would turn. Every single time for the whole day.

Did you guys get really hardcore about Linus and Linus? No. He actually doesn't agree with that. Oh. It's only Linus if you are speaking Swedish to him. That totally makes sense to me. Otherwise, he goes by Linus. I called him Linus just because it kind of broke my brain to call anyone else Linus.

Except sometimes, I think I called him Linus a couple times. Well, you had asked him about it, and then you tried Linus for a while. Then you said Linus. Then you said Linus. You honestly bounce back and forth Quite a bit between all three It's a hard name It's a hard name

Very debatable Strong name Can you say the word align Can you say the word us I mean you'd be surprised How few people can handle it Especially in other languages It's very difficult

It's very difficult So I mean Dude I don't even know I don't even really know where to start with this If you weren't paying attention Or you're just joining the show now We had the one and only Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, here to shoot a collaborative video this week.

We reached out to him saying, hey, what do you think? Would you like to do a video together? Got back the weirdest response ever? Oh, dude, it was very strange. Awesome. You should stop bringing that up and down because it's a lot of mic movement. You might just have to kind of hold it. Okay.

Sorry, sir. Handling noises. My bad, sir. No, you're great. I do cut a lot of it out, so you probably hear more than they do. Oh, cool. we go Linus Linus

It's Linus Yeah So he basically said Without accepting or declining Well the only way For this to work Would be for it to Something something

There can be only one Like the hit 80s movie Highlander Or two men enter One man leaves Like Mad Max And so I basically responded with I don't know what to make of these

I'm going to give myself the homework of watching these old movies I've never seen and I will get back to you which it took me a very long time because I don't find a ton of time to watch movies and then eventually I did and it turns out that he had meant yes we actually found out while he was here

that he has a very interesting approach to email oh yeah I suspect he has an interesting approach to a lot of things feel free to participate I don't want to interrupt you well no I mean yeah you're hanging around late at work to participate. Why don't you tell the email? He's very different than our Linus,

where our Linus might take anywhere between four minutes and four business months to respond to an email. Mr. Linus Torvalds says, if I don't respond in 15 minutes, probably wasn't important anyways. And you're not going to get a response. And then he archives

it, and he's like, if it's important enough, they'll follow up again, and then I'll respond then. Based. So he almost responded like, within, it was definitely within 15 minutes of your original email. Yeah, which I was floored by and then what he said was like yeah well it was either that or not and i was like oh well i'm glad i was important enough to that i think that's based and then you guys set up a call and did some talking and and here we are okay out of 10 how cool was it like a 17

dude like we have some footage on your phone of us in the lobby because he gave me the access to his Uber to see like whereabouts he was so we could just keep track. And I was like watching it like a hawk because I was so nervous. First we were freaking out because he was what half an hour early an hour early? Oh yeah. He's like super early. So we're sitting there like the set's not ready we're not ready to shoot this. Linus is still in the middle of a meeting right now. What are we going to how are we going to do this? So finally about five minutes before he's showing up. Linus and I walked down to the front lobby and we're just kind of like pacing back and forth like waiting. We're like what do we do? How do we open this?

Well, we were standing on the set, and I was like, dude, what is the point of us trying to play this cool? We might as well just wait for him on the doorstep because we want to. Yep. And so maybe that footage will make it onto float plane at some point of us just in the lobby fan. I do think there's stuff coming, yeah. Oh, yeah, no, there's actually,

Sammy already has behind the scenes up on floatplane right now. uh let me have a look there's actually two already uh behind the scenes uh shooting the intro for the collab so we ended up uh here's a bit of a spoiler we went with highlander there can be only one um so we do like kind of a goofy sword fight thing here's some pictures only get samurai swords i unfortunately couldn't get broad swords like the movie yeah yeah um so we'll have all that we have all that up on floatplane right now um man how can you be that much of a chad and still genuinely that humble but also know how important you are oh yeah because he definitely knows how important he is or how important his contribution has been but he's just i don't know it was like kind of hanging out with like someone's dad like he's just very down to earth yeah it got really comfortable really quickly like we were Except me. I asked you, I was like, was Fallon or this?

Like, what were you more nervous for? Oh, this. Yeah. Not even close. Like, Fallon's a celebrity, but Torvalds. In our space is a dramatically bigger deal. Like, we, like, we were talking about it. Elijah and I both were like, okay, well, this is it then.

I actually can't see any other peak of, like, having a guest do a type of video. Have him back. The first thing that other people will say is, okay, well, what about Bill Gates? And it's like, no, you gotta be kidding me. That was exact response, yeah. Exactly.

Not even close. It's like, why not some, why not some other billionaire? Yeah, but actually. Actually, though. No. Like, this is, this is, it was unbelievably cool.

I think that Gaben would be, would be close for me. Oh, for sure. Torvald's Gayben. You got to go, we haven't talked about this topic yet, but you got to go meet Gaben on his yacht. 364 foot

Yes please Wozniak Would be very cool But less meaningful to me I wasn't into Apple Like then when he was with the company Wasniak has a lot to do with the introduction of the personal computer

He does Wozniak would be super cool That would be super cool But like there's not Man there's not You just got to email him That's all you did for this one And we got the collab

We've talked about this after now It's like, dude, how many cold emails should we just start sending? Yeah. I actually. I asked him, too, though.

I was like, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I was like, I can't, I basically told him, I was like, I can't believe it was this easy. All I,

I spent my entire career, obviously knowing who he was. How spammed he's going to get now? He brought that up with that. He'll just ignore it. Yeah. Dude, he was like, yeah,

basically he talked about how, as far as I can tell, ignoring things is his super. superpower. Same as how I can't see ads. He just can't see an email he doesn't care about and he'll just does he archived himself or does it just auto archive past a certain period of time? He says he'll archive it. I don't know what that means. Yeah, I'm not sure what that means. Select all in the column archive it. See you later. I'm sure that someone like that could come up with a script archiving assistant if you really wanted to. But like the I basically couldn't wrap my

brain around the fact that because obviously I've always been aware of the other you know you know the actual tech tech linus right yeah yeah and the fact that just me being too shy to ask was the only reason it took this long that was the barrier of entry that was the barrier it was genuinely so much fun and so cool and like just even walking around the studio with him kind of giving him an example of like this is what we do because he didn't necessarily even fully grasp it until he was here, like what a YouTube media company was like, right? It is weird. It's very, yeah. Like in the history

of media, it is very strange. And as we kept walking, he was like, wow, this place just keeps going. Like, that was like... It was cool that he was, he seemed, and I don't think he'd bother to pretend, but he seemed genuinely interested. Did you bring him to the lab? I didn't. We only had a limited amount of time with him.

I know, I know. We only had a limited... We did invite lab people over to come meet him, though. Okay. Yeah. I knew about that But I was I know Which that will be a separate Floop plane video as well

There's kind of like a 15 minute Kind of staff asked a question It was very Because I was after the shoot And I was just like Guys just like go up and say hi Dude people were like hovering Well yeah

Like I was like Honestly he's probably quite used to that Yeah He wasn't awkward though It's funny because As part of my prep for this I read his autobiography and I

he didn't believe me until like the fourth time I referenced it I think yeah you had asked some questions from it or some guiding questions and he was like oh you actually did read the book it was quite funny

so yeah in prepping for it so he wrote it over 20 years ago though and he talks a lot about like how much trouble he has with public speaking and how awkward he is or whatever and I was like well either a lot of done a ton since then.

A lot has changed in 20 years or you weren't as awkward as you thought you were because every time he opened his mouth he was very eloquent

and it was super interesting like he's one of those people that's just like well there's no way that I'm the smartest person in this room

because it's that guy and it was it was just super cool everything he said just seemed so well considered even if we were kind of trying to blindside him with something

he still took the time to process it and then like give an actually good response and we were like wow okay we mean we couldn't even trip about we meaned him with like Xbox versus PlayStation and he like gave us a thoughtful response and it's like all right yeah it was very great

the hardest part about this video I think is going to be cutting it into a video and not because there's not enough content there's too much content you just got to dump it on plane. Speaking of which, question from the now working flowplane chat, Archangel of Death said, did he know about LTT before your email? So, this is funny. I specifically asked him if he had seen the video that we did a number of years ago where we followed the guide from ZDNet or

parts list, really, from ZDNet, and we built Linus Torvald's computer. Like, we built the same spec and we were like, if you build this, you'll have the same PC as Linus Torvalds. And, And I was like, have you seen it? He's like, drew a complete blank. But the two other flipping YouTubers that I happen to mention, okay? I mentioned Medi, Electro Boom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Immediately, he's like, oh, yeah, Electro Boom.

Awesome. Yeah. He's local. I'm like, okay, ego destroyed. Did you call Medi up? And then, I should have actually. No, I didn't. And then just because I was just kind of

I was kind of talking about how it kind of blew his mind that we were more of a physical goods company than we are a media company these days and I was like I was just kind of chatting with them and I kind of brought up that that's not even that unique anymore like this creator economy is incredibly cool and so I pulled out I pulled out this this is my new box cutter from Evan and Caitlin

and they showed it to me at VidCon and I was just like that is too cool for you to give it to me I will buy one it's super expensive but it's like extremely satisfying you just can't handle it can you up up there we go so you slide it forward and then let it go yep and then slide it back oh okay okay yeah I thought you slid it forward again to pull it back no yeah super cool so I showed it to him and he's like oh Yeah, those guys. They make the, like...

The resin pumpkin. Well, you asked him about one of our videos. Did you ask him about our channel? He then acknowledged that he had heard of us. Okay, okay, okay. So he didn't completely destroy my ego. But it was just like, I pull two sort of, not random, because obviously they're tech adjacent.

And big creators. But he, like, immediately was like, oh, yeah, those guys! It was very funny. Yeah. I have to ask you, if you can say, without spoiling, what was the highlight? Like, if you can pinpoint one specific moment. It's really tough.

I have one. It's so hard because there's, like, kind of, what's a personal highlight? Like, the fact that he genuinely thought what we're doing is cool. Yeah, that's pretty sweet. That was amazing because if he thinks it's cool, then it's cool, as far as I'm concerned. that's pretty huge um but like that's a respectable favorite point but like i mean i just thought how cool he was was also cool like the fact that he's so no i'm serious no i hear you like the fact that without a moment of hesitation you know i was like it's totally fine to say no would it be

okay you have you have some pretty big fans here to hang around longer and just chat and he was so generous with his time during that he didn't have to talk to anybody he waited until like the kind of energy died down before being like okay i guess i can head out now he he read the room yeah like super hard they say never meet your heroes right meet this one but meet this one because he's so cool and and there was i literally just from the second like he introduced himself it was just i don't know it was great vibes yeah yeah yeah and so that was a super huge highlight um i i mean this will be kind of a weird one but getting him to cringe at my dad jokes oh that was so

funny was so fun yeah you cracking dad jokes and then him either they're not immediately realizing it or realizing it immediately and going like actually deep sighing he called out your segues a couple time, which was really funny. He's like, oh. So he does know the channel. Yeah, he was like, oh, that was segue. Yeah. That was cool. That was cool. Very cool. Um, like, is that enough? Is that enough, like, peak tier highlights for you? Like, it goes on and on. I have one that I think was my highlight. It was after the shoot, after the meet and greet, we went and said goodbye to you. Yeah. I candidly was just like, I'd be happy to give you a ride back to your hotel, which was about a 25-minute drive from the office, pretty much

in completely the opposite direction of where my home was, but I got a 25-minute one-on-one conversation with him. That's so sick. And like, that's something that is going to be forever ingrained. Even if I have another concussion, I can't possibly forget that because it's just so cool. And that's so safe. And that's what I mean, even to, about being generous with his time, because he could have just been like,

you know what, I'm socialed out today. I've done it. I've done it. I've been like, you know what? I'm... And it would be fair. And that would be totally fine to do that. But instead, he's like, no, I'm going to hang around on set and talk to randoms that I've never met, you know, or whatever. I'm going to, I'll accept the ride. Because you never know when you accept a ride from someone, like, you know, maybe they try and corner you with a business pitch or something like that. Oh, totally. Yeah.

It happens. It happens. And I could see having your guard up about something like that. But whether it's just not giving it any fucks or whether it's. like just being at a point in your career where you're just he was very open to new experiences try anything once yeah try anything once he said that a lot of times and and as far as I can tell

the try anything once is basically the reason he did it he's like I've never I've never done a YouTube video before I've never seen this before and he talked about how being the Linux guy has unlocked experiences for him. He talked about going to a pre-Oscar party. He talked about, like, riding on a fighter jet and just, like, I kept kind of ribbon him. I was like, right?

So that's what you're comparing to this, right? Like, we're up there. We're being in a YouTube video, right? And I don't know, dude. It's just, I was more tired after the end of that day than I have been after work in a long time. Not because I was

like down about anything we were doing but just because being that excited and having that much fun for an entire day is honestly pretty tiring. I slept for about four minutes before that night because I was so nervous.

I was in and out of like a dream of like replaying the shoot in my head over and over like wanting to make sure everything was going right because obviously I have my name tied to it so I'm like if this is bad I'm bad so when I got home I also just

crash I was done it's over I had to post the other valve video if you got home from dropping off Linus Torvald yeah I have no idea how I'm ever gonna peek that like maybe I can give Obama or like someone else arrived I wouldn't peek it I know he flashes his phone to me

and he's like how many people people have this, this profile picture in their recent message history. There's quite a common podcast flex question of like, who's the most famous person in your phone? I now have the most famous person, in my opinion, in my phone. That's really cool. I'm never, ever going to text it because I'm like way too like, never going to cross that line. But you got to like frame it. Oh, dude, it's so cool.

Somehow get it like a special border or something. Oh, I should have texted you right beside him. And like, you get a screenshot. Even if someone else that someone had in their. phone was more famous, I think that I think consequential is the word that I would sort of apply most to

Linus Torvalds. Because I mean, he'll be the first to tell you that the Linux kernel these days is like a fraction of a percent code that he actually wrote. He's mostly the guy that that makes sure that everyone else's contributions

are meaningful and are correct and are moving Linux in the right direction moving the colonel in the right direction because he's he's he's the colonel guy and he's like yeah at some point i had to i had to which is almost certainly an extremely good thing because as with us all unfortunately somehow he's still mortal um so he's going to pass at some point and we're going to need a good example of the types of things that he would want to happen but consequential

absolutely like would you would you I mean like think of a celebrity Dwayne the Rock Johnson probably more famous than Linus Torvalds Oh yeah more consequential No Yeah

Like yeah I mean it's like actually funny Yeah like I can smell what he's cooking But it ain't as important as Linux It's very very cool Yeah I mean No one watching this is gonna have a problem with that but I was going to say, like, if you had a problem with that,

like, please look up the amount of things around the world that move because of Linux. Yeah. Oh, dude. The phone, the Android phone in your pocket. Your Mac? Prime example. Mac, less so.

Sort of. Less so, though. He's heavily inspired by. But the Android phone in your pocket. Yes. Absolutely underpins Android, like, heavily. For sure, but you're talking about consequence. Would it exist in the form that is now without it?

because consequence can be indirect and direct okay okay equivocal says no mention of Git either we did actually talk about Git we asked him which was his favorite child that one I'm not going to spoil so make sure you guys watch this video

because building the computer that's the title of the video but it is the least important part of the video and whether it ends up being a 25 minute long video or whether it ends up being an hour and a half video we don't know yet whatever doesn't make it into the youtube cut is going to end up on float plane but right now elijah and i are leaning towards a super long youtube cut with uh there'll still be some stuff that's just not going to make

the youtube cut um so that'll be over on float plane uh but we're leaning towards just a long ass video because it it was awesome and it's interesting to try too to see if there's an appetite for like you know, these kind of long or unfiltered podcast-y, almost style videos of just having a genuine conversation. I don't know if it's going to prove a point, though. Because, like, yeah, what does that tell us? If we have literally one of the most consequential contributors to the tech world, could we do an hour and a half long interview with them?

Okay, yeah, find me another one. All right, I'll go get Bill Gates. No, I told you. I know. That's the thing, right? Like, yeah. Okay, I told you. Gaban, okay?

Was. And was. I'll send him an email. There's some other ones for sure. We could do one show from his yacht. Why not? Right. Oh, yeah, apparently Gaben took delivery of his new $500 million yacht today.

Yep. You guys see that? Yeah. It has a live-in nurse, I guess at his age, that kind of makes sense. And also, it's not just for leisure. It's for, like, scientific exploration, too. it has a diving thing and a submarine to do marine life science i mean steve irwin wouldn't have minded if uh he'd been working off of a yacht that had on board medical staff what it's not a

joke i yep why is everything a joke with your generation that one's rough well well i didn't that one's don't know if i don't know if that one will ever not be too soon steve irwin oh he was taken too soon that that's the thing that's the thing that's the thing. It's not that whether the joke is too soon or not too soon, it's that he was taken too soon. So it's always too soon, forever. But I'm sure he wouldn't have minded if there was a medical professional closer. So I can see why Gabe N would have done that. Apparently has 15 gaming PCs, which is a weird number. Was a little odd. I noticed that too. 15? That's got to be a typo. There's no way it's not eight or 16. Three teams of five. One at the head of the table. So what we're playing Knights, Vikings, Pirates. Like, What are we even talking about here? What are you even talking about? I don't even think that supports teams of five. I got nothing.

Yeah, give me a 5V5 game. A bunch of people are speculating 14 crew members. That would be kind of interesting. Could you imagine just Gabe playing with his 14? He's like, all right, guys, you're off shift. We're all going to boot up some. Honestly, if you live there completely, I wouldn't be too surprised. It's pretty cool.

Yeah. He's talked about how he plays like Dota and just gets like trolled by people and stuff. People tell him to uninstalled the game and stuff. That's crazy. amazing because my starling cleatency was too bad going back to the Linus Torvalds thing I want to make sure that people know that

we had a Reddit thread where we asked you guys for your questions we did go through about 10 to 15ish of them again don't know if all of them will make it but some were really interesting some were not but yeah some after like you should just go read his autobiography and then you'll know the answer to a lot of the questions you guys asked I'm really glad

I read it We changed the questions about an hour before he showed up because it was like, oh, yeah, this would have been really stupid to ask. Even though it's weird because people might not have read the autobiography. So for them, it's really interesting to just have this question. But it's also really obvious. But I wanted, you know, our contribution to the... Totally. That was the right way to go.

Yeah. I wanted us to be bringing something new to the table. So even if you're a diehard Linus Torvalds fan, you watch every interview you can find of him, I want you to find you to find something new. and ours. And it's not just, he's not just a man to be milked for content. Like it's, you want it to be decently more interesting for him as well. So if he's just rehashing things that he wrote down in his autobiography, it's like, I don't know. I wanted him to, I wanted him to enjoy the experience. And he said it was fine. Which means we might. Get him back up here. Dude, the fact that he came to us still blows my mind.

was so funny that conversation because he's like well it makes so much more sense it'd be more effort for me to clean up my place to get and get you guys down here and it'd be so much work for you guys to bring all your equipment i want and i'm just like dude your time is not your time and my time are not of equal worth like if it takes you an hour then i should be spending hours before we draw a parallel and decide what makes sense you know like I think

with his do everything once thing though yeah like it was probably cool to see the operation yeah I guess I just

maybe next time you'll have to go to him me standing in a room with him I have a hard time thinking there's anything cool for him to experience you know

yeah yeah but then I mean we're we're pretty cool it's just it's all relative yeah yeah yeah

you know and we're not a fighter jet no we are not a fighter jet. We're not a fighter jet. For sure. Gamer fighter jet?

Stop. Let's go. Flight sim in a flight? The person in the back, if they're not actively shooting missiles, could play like Star-Doo Valley. Wow, the opposite ends of the spectrum of what you're doing. Dogfight to Star-Doo Valley. This is going to be a bit of a niche reference, but play spec ops the line in the back of a fighter jet would be... No one's going to get that.

But the like four people that get it, it'll smash with... smash with amazing yeah I think that is a few people got it nice there's definitely been points in my career that were more consequential like ego wise like the first time we did a million views in less than 24 hours on a video like I'll remember that forever it was seven gamers one CPU yeah and I'll remember like staring at at this view graph going this is unbelievable this is the closest thing to a viral video we've ever done it's always been slow and steady this is it this is breakthrough moment like i'll remember stuff like that i'll remember you know pacing pacing the family room of the uh the old house uh talking to steve on

the phone and finding out we're going to get the channel you know like there's there's moments like that in my career that are like core core memories but in terms of like importance of a video we've made or like I don't know if it's that important it's like highlight yeah like highlight reel career highlight real this is like it's very high I don't I'm afraid to call it number one because maybe there's but then if something's that if something's number one I shouldn't forget it yeah and it's possible that something could take it

I think that's okay to look at it from that perspective and I'm taking career like obviously there's there's personal life highlights that are bigger than meeting Linus Torvolds. Like, my wife ranks above Linus Torvold for me. You don't have kids. Debatable. Not debatable. What are you talking about?

Not debatable. You know, birth of my children, wedding day. These are... Those are maybe close second and third, you know? Yeah. I know I told my wife. I was like, sorry, honey. And then she was like, you can sleep on the couch.

And I was like, understand. Fair enough, sorry, but I just drove Mr. Torval. I'm taking my Linus body pillow to the couch then. Cool. Yeah, anything else you...

Oh, right. There's something that we wanted to present to Luke, so he couldn't be here. Unfortunately. Oh, yeah, you were going to elaborate on this. Yeah, why was that, Elijah? Planner of this video.

Sorry, noor of things I might be interested in. Why, I think there's... I texted you the Friday before the shoot I think or the Thursday before the shoot Right that was when he told me the date of the shoot So I had just the weekend to Because I'd been putting it off to read the autobiography

Which I got signed by the way And the shoot was on Wednesday I told you I said hey I've done script review That means this is like 100% locked in now Even though it was already Potentially locked in before I said hey it's gonna be on Wednesday

Just so you know You just responded with a sad face And then a very Angry word that I won't repeat because I don't have a bleep button. Here, we can try and time it. All right, three, two, fuck. I don't know if we got it.

That was late for sure. That was for sure late. And then he just said, I won't be there. And then another sad face. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, buddy. Today we were talking. And I was like, well, technically his flight and everything was booked like three or four weeks ago. Which if the flight is booked, you'd be pretty sure.

Sure, but when the shoot would be... To be fair, we weren't, because of current, at the time, how some airports were struggling with delays. It was a case of we don't actually know. But, you know, I probably could have tried to give you a heads up. Because right about that time is when I locked in the flights for the other thing. So if I knew, I could have... No, if you were already locking it in, then...

No, I could have just not, though, at that time. if I knew there was an extremely major conflict. Sorry, I don't know. Blame Vance. He actually booked the flights. Oh, wow, you did not just throw Vance under the bus. Well, that's his job, the executive assistant.

I'm sorry, Vance. Not only did he do him me doubled down. Vance who are very important. That's crazy. Assisting ruining your birthday. That's crazy. He's just not going to

any of my meetings with you now and I'm just I mean that could happen he has that power I'm just gonna walk into your office he can throw you out he has that power too good luck trying I'm pretty heavy I'm sorry no comment

thanks man I have Vance would call you fat you can't you can't say this let the record show let the record show that I have never explicitly commented So instead It's on video

What's on video? You commenting on my size All Wrong platform It was the height that I was concerned about I buy that for $5 You looked at a go cart And you said

Hey do you fit Right because It was made by a Chinese company That while they did design it for adults They had designed it for one I've sat in. They designed it for adults of a shorter, a shorter,

uh, my bones do not fit inside of it. Altitudinal stature. You have also said on video, dang, I know you're not playing any connect games. Because you are quite young. Implying because it wasn't hooked up.

No. Oh man. Because you, the Wii U just says, Oof. Because you're quite young and it might not have a much nostalgia for it.

I also want you to know I've cut some jokes from videos because I know if they ever get the platform, it would be over. Oh, man. Anyways, we got your float plane sign sign. Yeah, so consolation prize. Luke asked us to get his float plane sign sign sign. Does that plugged in? No.

Oh, well, we should plug it in. I mean, it has a, it's proprietary. I'm assuming they left it at my desk. Oh, okay. That makes sense. So Luke has a little light up float plane sign and it is now officially signed. Made by the same person, it's exactly the same as the signs that they have at NASA, mission control. It's made by the same person with the same materials.

That's so cool. It's a very cool artifact. And it is now signed by not only Linus Torvald's, but also. For some reason. For some reason. That's okay, Luke. We can wash it off. We can remove that.

I think he's always just been too shy to ask. I have been waiting 15 years. Do you not sign his checks? no there has been no way for me to get a signature until now so when so when Linus signed it I was like you know what I'll sign it to it was that it was so awkward and weird of course it was to be fair when I saw you doing this I was like should I stop him because I was like and then didn't so didn't let me know on time so I could make travel arrangements to actually be here and then doesn't stop the wrong Linus from signing

the side. I didn't want to make a scene. I was like, we can remove it. Paint over it. You're that guy with the trolley problem that just like doesn't pull the lever to make the obviously better thing happen? No, I make sure I split the rail. Multi-track drifting. This is going to kill one

person or seven million? So instead of being here for the coolest shoot we've ever done to meet Linus Torvalds, I was... My autograph. I have, I have, I have, I have Linus's autograph on my thing. I was getting trolled by Nick Harris

from the lab the entire time. He told the Qualcomm people it was my birthday and at dinner they sang happy birthday to me which made me just want to die. You want to know something crazy? I have made it I have made it 39 years of my life

never being sung to in a restaurant. That was a stupid thing to say. We got to change that. I will walk out. We'll follow you. I will. I will.

We can definitely hold him in place. Oh, yeah, both of them? No. Easily. No. Especially how he comments on my son. Neither you're going to remember this anyway. Uh, dude.

There's like, oh, there's only 10,000. We're not you. We remember things. If you see him in public on his birthday. I have to get you back for the sign. No. Yeah. That's funny.

No. Yeah, sign his car. It should be very funny. Sorry, Nick. Sorry, Nick Harris is trolling. Okay, yeah, so it's very long workday. Nick Harris is trolling me the whole time as per usual, but he just, he keeps like threatening that he's going to tell them, but it's obviously like a, he wouldn't do

that. And then he actually did it. So at the end of the night, two Qualcomm people, very nice people, come up and walk up just to my side and are just like staring at me for a second. And I'm thoroughly confused. I'm like, can I help you? We're out at dinner. And then I hear the like,

and I look to my right and there's sparklers and it's just the worst. Okay, so that was also like day started at eight in the morning. Actually, no. My day started

no, day started about eight in the morning. Working, working, working. We get on to the bus. While we're moving, I'm taking a call. We go do stuff while we're on the bus. Again, I'm taking another call. For most of the dinner, I have an air pod in because I'm in a call.

the whole time. Like, this is a very heavy workday. And then right when I get off the call, it's happy birthday singing. The whole time I'm getting messaged about how cool the Linus Torval shoot that I can't be at is while I'm working. Get back to hotel, crash because I'm super tired, get a call at like four in the morning that the forum is down. So I can't even sleep. It was like terrible. Worst birthday ever. Potentially, which, you know, all things considered. Not that it could have been... Yeah, it could have been worse. Could have been worse.

Yeah. But that is probably my worst birthday. Yeah, you could have... We could have had both Linus Torvald's and Gaben here at the studio at the same time. You could have missed that. That would have been worse. I'm going to plan the game and shoot when you're gone. I will freak out.

No, do it with just Luke. Yeah. With Linus gone? Yeah. I think I would lose my job. He actually has that power. Worth it. His body has...

His body language, since Dan said that, is amazing. So when I said a clip, please. I said, the, like, aura coming off of Linus was so strong. I would lose my job. Not acceptable. Guarantee. Not acceptable. That was amazing.

We flew to Gabe's yacht for a float plane exclusive. Sammy, Elijah, Luke. Wait, where in Linus is, like, boats? You might be on a boat, but them still dangerous, Waters, boys. Didn't Luke miss the last guess? Yeah, I miss all of them.

As far as I can tell, Linus purposely plans them. Dude, I had nothing to do with the dates. Apparently, it's Vance. I found us. Yeah. How did you hurt him? So what I've learned today is that Vance hates me.

No. Yeah, I agree. It's official. I'm posting in general about it. Pings the whole company. Vance hates Luke. Yeah. Zastba in Twitch chat.

Linus doesn't pull rank often, but when he does, it's to not miss a gay band meet and greet. You better believe it. Wouldn't mean not often? I don't think I pull rank that much. Just trying to start drama. I would over this though.

A hundred percent. I'd be like no unacceptable. It'd be really funny though. No. I'm debating if it's worth losing the job, but... You gotta be kidding me right now. I'm gonna try to send it to Dan, but Nick got the frame

that I turned from the people singing to him he has the frame of the video the look of betrayal top 10 anime betrayals right here it's a weird moment because I don't want to like obviously I don't want this to happen but I also don't want to like

be a jerk to these people that I just meant there I sent it to you Dan do you want that on screen? Sure yeah so I'm trying to like Sorry. Spoilers. Yeah. Are you ready?

Yeah, sure. Boop. So I'm trying to, like, smile and be happy because I don't want to be a big jerk. But then I'm also like, what the hell, Nick? Oh, no. Oh, no. That's way too funny. I'm kind of crying a little bit.

Oh, man. oh no so i just got trolled by like the whole world i'm sorry i really did wish you could be there i i i really wanted to bail but like it's it's the friday or thursday or whatever before this thing that's been planned for like a month it's our first like thing of this style with them and yada yada so it's like luke's schmoozen and and and for a for our labs team to get us, you know, connected with all the right technical people to make sure that we can investigate. And it was a great trip. And oh, yeah, no, for sure. It was actually legitimately a great trip. So what I have rather been here to hang out with like, you know. Yeah, 20 minute

drive with him was pretty great trip. All righty. Yeah, even I'm a little jealous of that. That might have been, that was, that's very cool. To me, that is like actually what top one or two moments in my life. Yeah. Obviously, I was joking. That's extremely cool. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's, like, I didn't even, I didn't even have one on.

Yeah, I didn't even have one on. At the end there. Good job. Good job. Good job. I didn't even have one on one time with them. Like, we went for coffee. I had a cookie.

There's also something about car drives. I don't know what it is. We talked about, like, YouTube and, like, how the creator economy works a little bit. He talked about, like, working with his team and what that's like, yeah, that's probably fascinating. He honestly asked, like, more questions than I got to ask back. Which I felt was like, man's asking me about YouTube.

I was like, again, I think this is part of the Try Everything Once thing. And that's very cool to be the potential facilitator of that. That's still extremely cool. Because one thing we talked about was the recent ad block change that ended up impacting views and how that can impact the creator economy from a sponsorship side or how that could impact just channel momentum. And it seemed very interested in like, oh, that's a change that I could see how ad blockers are just like, eh, to. but like it really impacted millions of people. Well, and I think to a certain degree it's still happening and that's a whole other thing. Yeah.

Very cool. All righty, I don't want to overstay my welcome. Thank you for letting me hang out, so. Thanks for nothing. Yeah. I do my best. All right. See you like.

Bye, everyone. Have a good weekend. I do my best. I got it. I can take it. Yeah, you're getting no fist bump from him. Not after what happened. Yeah.

You're still. It was still, it was resentful. I could tell. I could tell. There's not a lot of room back here. Oh, for sure. By the way, that LTX-19 shirt, though. Yeah.

Damn. It's been a little worse for wear, but for some reason it's one of my favorite shirts. All right. All right. We have a couple of float plane things that we're supposed to do. I owe Sammy a shout out for float plane. We finally filmed it. Special behind the scenes.

Okay, so here, hold on. I'm supposed to click these things. uh oh okay so here's a behind the scenes of the intro am i supposed to play the whole thing are these those like wooden ones that we've had forever no they got sharp ones for um reasons that escape me they're actually sharp yeah yeah what i don't know what we were thinking uh is this the hold on is this the timestamp i'm supposed to go from let me just check what a semi want uh i don't know okay uh there's an oh this is an unlisted short clip to watch on when can we get audio did Yeah, yeah. This is great. I love that he's got a sword out and has his glasses right here. The guy's so genuine, man. Ready? Oh, but one second. The flourish, dude. This is awesome. God, I'm so pissed, dude. Oh, my God. So the way it's got...

Oh, he's salty. The way it's going to cut together is I'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video. Okay, sure, Dan did that. I'm going to start the video like a perfectly normal video. You guys may remember the time that we built Linus Torvald's computer.

Well, guess what? we're going to do it today with the man himself and then it cuts to him like we the doors like open and we'll have like the like highlander style like the electricity and get some rock music or whatever and he comes in and he does the flourish there can be only one we'll get the like and then it's going to cut to me and I'm going to be like and then it's going to go in and it's like and then it's going to go to the wide and I'm going to have my sword out just like randomly it'll be like and then we'll cut to a shot we'll where we're both, like, right close to each other, the one that you guys saw kind of at the end there. Where we're like, we're like eye contact and it'll be like, and then it'll cut to Elijah just sitting on his chair being like, or you could just build the PC together. And we're like, oh, yeah, yeah, that could work.

Just, ah, it's going to be fun. It's going to be great. I am so excited for you guys to see this video. And that gives you some idea of what a good sport he was. Yeah. about the whole thing. Yeah. Public clip of Luke getting his float plane sign signed for his birthday.

Oh. Okay. Screenshorting my DMs. It's at the end. Someone on this account already watched it. Oh, that's hilarious. Okay, hold on. But this is Sammy going to get it.

Oh, okay. This is great. This is great. So... The floorplane is our video platform. Dude, I was so nervous. like anyway so I feel bad because my signature

is the obvious thing ever anyway you guys don't have to subscribe to float plane you can get the whole thing but I can show you the part where I sign it hold on is that in here let's see sure but I'm going to sign it too that's wild

ask him to guess which one is which I mean Hey, I mean, it's the start of a thing. You could collect all the tech linuses. Yeah, I think I already did. Yeah, nice. Good job. You're like 100%ting things.

You can check out the full videos at at lmg.g.g.g slash floatplane. There's going to be another video where staff ask him questions after the shoot. That'll be coming on Monday. and there will probably be more. Also, if you are subscribed to float plane, it ensures you won't miss any of our Black Friday Cyber Monday deals because they are coming early for subscribers.

Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yep, cool. I think that's it. Should we, how, oh my God, how long have we been live? Two hours. We've only done two topics. Nice. Yeah.

I think it's merch messages time. we're just about in wine after dark uh oh no we have a lot of topics left though I know oh my god there's so many topics let's uh let's do maybe some CW stuff merch massages let's not bother with the merch messages oh no no no no no no no no we have we have product launches and it is November um we had a pretty

slow uh September October because that is not the holiday shopping season and now it is the holiday shopping season We've got some announcements. If you guys missed the very beginning of the show, we are adding a couple of big products to the RGB collection. We have this freaking sick a navy sweater that is 100% cotton knit with little multi-nep yarn flex.

So we'll probably get a better shot of it on this. Actually, loop, can you fire up the site? And then we can show people what it looks like. It's got a clean, polished look. It's great for the office, but colorful specs keep it fun for holiday hangouts. And we also have, Luke, do you have that up already? It's loading. Yeah, it's fine, I get it.

We also have, da-da-da-da-dan-dan-tun-da-da-da-ton-tun. There we go. There's the sweater. Wow, it really doesn't capture the color that one. Yeah, it's darker than that. It's darker than that. It's tough. Get me a close-up of the multi-nep, though.

Please tell me that's on there. There we go. Yes. So it's just a little touch of fun. Little touch of fun. fun, just like our RGB shirts have been in the past. Then I'm going to go back to... There we go.

We also have our beaniees in both black and gray, and both regular and short depths. There you go. We've got the two different sizes. We've got the two different beanie. And then, Luke, if you want to fire up the product page there, boom. Warm, cozy, and ties right in with the rest of the RGB lineup, or looks great on its own. shop the RGB collection at LMG dot GG slash RGB

and while you're on the site don't forget actually if you want to fire up the $100 blah blah thing at the top. I'm on it it's just going to take me sick. Cool don't forget we have our holiday loot drop happening right now spend $100 or more and you could win a pair of Sennheiser

headphones or if you're really lucky and a Seuss ROG Xbox Ally X and but wait there's more we have our buy more save more apparel deal running until november 26th you can save up to 25% when you stack apparel items oh yeah go ahead and click that yeah yeah that's good that one right there so if you buy two items i think it's shoot what is it 10% it shows i think if i click on one of the

things there you go you can see right here there you go for your own reference so mix and match two or more clothing items and save two items is 10% off three is 15 four is 20 and five plus items is 25% off. So load it up. The cart, to be clear. We've got printed t-shirts back in stock. We've got these great new RGB products. You can find everything that's eligible at, oh, shoot, I don't actually see the link to everything

that's eligible. Well, you can go to the main site and then you can click this banner. And then you want to scroll down real quick. The WAN hoodie is, the WAN hoodie is on fire. People are loving the new WAN hoodie. It's very cool. Well, it's everything with the Buy More Save More tag, I guess. Yep. So there's actually a lot of stuff.

The underwear is actually flying off the shelves as well. I forgot how long we were out of stock. Dude, it was a real, I'm restocking. It's been a long time. Yeah, I know. So there's some pent-up demand. Anyway, since we're live, I didn't mean to do that. It was unintentionally quite good. Nice.

Quality, quality Linus. What was I going to say? Oh, yeah, right. And since we're live, now's a great time to place your order on LTT store because you can send a merge message. All you got to do is add something to your cart. And then whenever we're live, there'll be a box where you can send a merch message. This makes much more sense than streaks. Is that what it's called?

I don't know. Hype train. Hipe train. They did a hype train in Twitch chat because we acknowledged them for the first time in years. And I told them that's dumb. and what you should do if you want to throw money at your screen I mean by all means

use your prime you know membership or subscription or whatever they're called on Twitch use that one I don't care but don't spend money on that spend money on LTTStore.com where

whether we acknowledge your message by you know having Dan replied to it there he is or he forwards it to someone who can get you better answer or he throws it up on the screen like that one that's a bit up there

or he curates it for me and Luke to answer you will still get high quality merchandise in the mail. You can type a message. You can be anonymous or have your name show. You can change the color of your merch message. You will have to opt in to email communication about your message if you have a question that Dan can't answer. So that is sort of worth knowing. And then you go ahead and place your order. All right, Dan, do you want to show us how merch messages works? Hit us with a couple. Yeah, sure. We got lots today. Things are selling quite quickly. Yep, it's that season. It is. That time of year. Hello, LLD. I finished my

engineering degree. Next year, I'll do my master's degree, and I've been working for a month on my thesis about outside in tracking with RF. What features are relevant here? What? Features.

Are relevant here. This feels truncated. Potentially? Maybe. I know that the new one uses cameras, where some of the other ones use other forms like the oculus uses a different type and outside in with the original oculus i guess cv1 was camera yes that was cameras and then lighthouses are laser if i

remember correctly yes um man but then technically light is r f technically isn't it so like uh strange yeah i'm sorry i i think this is truncated and I don't know if we're going to be able to answer that in any meaningful way. Darn. Up next? Okay, yes. Let's do that. Sorry. Favorite Taylor Swift song. Okay. You're not going to give them anything good.

Oh, do you just want to get through this quickly so we can do more topics and you can go home eventually? Is that what this is about? What do you mean? I thought we were moving on from that merch message. Did I miss something? Favorite Taylor Swift, I just mean, this is, this is the, it's the most important week of LNG basically in, you know, years at this point, because we have Linus Torvalds here, and we have the huge steam announcement, and you ask me what Taylor Swift song I like?

I mean, that's why they hid their name. It is anonymous, because they don't know how to answer good questions. You mean ask good questions? Yeah, sorry. You're the one who doesn't know how to select good questions. questions for us to answer. I don't, I don't know. I thought you were a Swifty. I mean, you're, you get the dump truck. You share that. You're both blonde. I have never talked about, I would never talk about Taylor Swift's butt, okay? Sorry, thighs. Yes, we both have, we both have, we both have,

we both have thighs. We have that. Damn right, you do. Yes. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's Something we both have is... What I'm saying is factual. They both have legs. You know what? I'm going to go with one of her songs that speaks very strongly to me. You need to calm down. I'm going to go with...

You like hearing that? It helps you? It speaks very strongly to you? No, no, no, no. It's... Linus Sebastian needs to calm down. What? You just have no idea what you're talking about.

No, I, dude, if this was a to everyone question, I literally don't know a single one of her songs. I guarantee you do. No, I'm sure I know the song. Romeo and Juliet. Sure. Yeah. Or what's it called? I'm not going to know the names of them.

Love story. Sure. Whatever. I guarantee you I've heard a song. I just don't know the names of them. Ah, I see, I see. Apparently I don't either. I just called it Romeo and Juliet.

Some swiftly I am. Yeah. Thigh reduction just happened. Yeah. No, no, they're still there. I have been losing weight though I think I haven't been eating enough to keep up with how active I've been lately

That's a thing Yeah I think I need to eat more I don't have time during the day though I'm back on that On what? Not eating enough on purpose Oh really? I'm back on the reduction train

Yeah Well my wrist is so messed up I can't work out properly So it's like well I'm to do the other thing Okay fair enough Yeah All right

I was trying to think It was very frustrating for a while And then I was just like You know I'll just cut then yeah make lemonade yeah exactly it's fine Beyonce style it's fine I'll make it work yeah and I'll just lemonade get back to it when things are better yeah that was that a P did he did he thing I get it hold on hold on I'll be right back one second

oh he's gonna he's gonna go do it I feel like giving someone else a ding just gave him a significant amount of dopamine. Does he need his own belt? I was concerned for my dry sweater for a second there. Gross. Gross. How about another one? Moving on. Okay, let's do one more.

Hi, DLL. How do you deal with issues of sibling rivalry, both in your kids for Linus and with your siblings growing up? Also, more underwear stock win. Are we at stock? Did we sell them all? We sell them. so quickly.

Did we really? Oh, people love them. That sucks. I wanted some of those. I got to start just, I'm going to start submitting March requests for you.

Would you prefer that? No, I just, I feel like we should use the like, is Luke going to buy it metric? Because every time I want to buy something on the store, it's just gone. I think, I think I'm going to accost you

after the show and we will sit down and just put stuff in there for you. Maybe, yeah. damn it okay anyway crap yeah medium large and excel are all gone

oh which store are you on hold on the USA store there's still some more in stock on the USA store I'm on global both designs for medium large and Excel by the way it's not even just like one of them it's both designs yeah meanwhile on the US store it's medium large or out for the solid

and it's just large out for the prism and confetti design. Small is also sold out on the solid. Okay, well, anyway. Of all the problems to have. Yeah, no, no, no, no. It's not the worst problem to have. I know, well, it's not a good problem. No, no.

It's not good, but it's, um, it's... It would be worse if no one wanted them. It's really hard to find the right balance when you're stocking. And now that we have multiple distribution centers, it's even more challenging. And it's only going to get more challenging in the future as, like, obviously,

you know, it's not like it's not occurred to us that it would be good to have a European DC, for instance. I'm getting roasted by full point chat. Oh, Seth Hyland asks, what percentage of LTT sales are during WAN show? Less than you'd probably think, a fair bit. Like, Wancho is a big driver. We often launch products on Wanshow,

so that inflates the numbers a little bit. But when we don't, it's not like we don't have other mechanisms for promoting new products and stuff like that and they'll still be quite strong. No, it's a very serious business for us. I mean, I think I meant, did I mention earlier on the show today

that we got to meet Linus Torvold's with homie? That we're finally doing, how does LMG spend money? Oh, I don't know if you did or not. Did I talk about it last week? Do you guys know about this already? Okay, yeah, so basically, had more exposure to, you know, expense reports in the last week than I probably have in the last

five years because I just don't really look that closely at that stuff as part of my daily work. Sure. And the merch business is huge. Like we, on inventory, we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars a year. It's crazy. And it's so hard to get it right to not over over buy, but not under buy, especially when, I mean, you go on the store and like, almost every product is a bespoke created product. Yeah, we really have no idea. I was talking to someone about this recently. We really have no idea how to chill with things, like ever. Why would we chill? Like, like ever, even when it would be totally fine, we're like, nah. Yeah. Nah. Why would we chill? let's make a pen but instead but instead of it being a normal pen okay this one is relatively low effort

by the way that was very cool uh we can't really talk about oh yeah no we can't at all or who we were talking to nope but luke and i got on very like strong authority that ptm 79 50 is goaded yes like extremely strong pretty much like I can't tell you who it is but the highest pretty maximum strong authority there's God and then there's this individual in terms of their authority on this subject

it was pretty it was pretty validating I don't know if I disagree yeah yeah yeah so that was that was pretty cool um oh oh oh oh my god full bling shot won't leave me alone dude what what is this oh charged nuclei said and you let

luke meet them just every time every time you bring up anything it wasn't my fault luke i didn't know no i know it was it was the person who recently left i know i really i i would have fought for you if there was anything that could have been done you know i would have paid for you to get a flight back but legitimately until that I think Thursday I had no idea it was like the next week I know I'm sorry and then it was way too late

I mean it is what it is but at least you have that sign that is actually really cool from both of us because that sign is like one of my favorite things and then yeah

I'm surprised you don't like the one for the wall more no that's super cool oh I thought you like gave it back to me or something didn't you I think no you asked me to store it yeah because you didn't have anywhere to put it yes yeah okay never mind and i still don't and i still have the plane too i'm still like holding on to that for you that's

yours that's not mine i don't like want it forever luke do you ever in a cool way though do you ever display the one of one thing that you have that i gave you from the place no that people that's secret good okay yeah yeah very you've seen it uh it it unravels like that oh that yeah yeah you should never show anyone that ever that is that is private yeah cool very private um all right uh what are what are we supposed to what was the word we're very behind um right sibling rivalry sibling rivalry yeah how do i put this uh how do i put this lightly i i i don't really feel any rivalry with my siblings we've you got to not put the how do i put this lightly first well no i just put the how do i put this lightly first

then that statement is totally fine i think people could take it the wrong way though. I think by putting how do I put this lightly before it people will now take it the wrong way. Oh no I did just didn't say that it would have been no offense but I actually have a pretty healthy relationship with my family yeah. No my point is that

we have none of us have tried to achieve even remotely the same things like my siblings have zero interest in being an online influencer across the board zero. So like how do you how do you measure that kind of

yeah like there's no rivalry there yeah um and like it's also yeah like wildly different types of success um yeah and i mean it's like if i'm looking at my like sibling rivalry i think my brother has achieved very immense levels of success in very different things he got the exact career that he wanted yep in the exact way that he wanted it and is excelling with it seems to be nailing it on family side. Nailing on the family side. Pun intended. He's got a couple kids. He's got, yeah. And that's all going pretty well.

Sorry, Rich. A little graphic, but. You won't mind. I know. So like, yeah, I don't see any, I hear what you're saying. It's completely different realms. Yeah. Yeah. Luke informed me you're good at it. In ways that makes sense to him and to you, but not to the audience right now.

So no further elaborate. That's going to be taken extremely weirdly. I almost feel like I need to explain that now. No, I'm uncomfortable. I don't think you can. We've got Linus's thighs and now this. What's going on? I don't think you can.

The success rate was high. It's like the chicken. No, it's not like the chicken. Our family's just... It's not like the chicken. It's nothing like chicken. Chicken is chicken in, not... Chicken pregnant is

I mean you could check on I think that's allowed and we're cooked why did why did Linus Torvald ever agree to work with us because he never heard of our channel never seen the WAN show

there's no way there's no way he's ever seen the WAN show I actually specifically asked him if he had looked into any, like, controversies around us, and he said he explicitly doesn't, which used to be my policy. I'm happy that hasn't bit him in the butt, because it's bit us in the butt. And then I collabed with Hassan and collabed with Too Mad, and I was on a bit of a streak there for a bit. Yeah.

Yeah. I do really hate where, like, if there's literally any level of, like, contact, people assume that you've, like, done deep dives on. everyone around like that's insane and needs to stop but or that you agree with them on everything yeah now literally every single thing they've ever said you now full-heartedly agree with yep like there's people I know and I'm friends with where I can name a multitude of things that I don't agree with them on like that I feel like that should be fairly normal but anyways that's a whole other topic let's oh yeah excuse you see there you know nice and to be clear I'm not saying that I like hate those people, or whatever, I'm just saying that...

There just have been controversial figures. I didn't research them at all, and I didn't realize that they were quite polarizing. Yeah. That's all I'll say. Yeah. Because that's all that needs to be said. I think we came out of those fairly unscathed. Yeah, I think so.

I think so. Yeah. I think the one that there was the most concern about was too mad? Yes. And I was just like, yeah, what? He bombed some Zoom calls. At that point, I think he got more controversial later. I think that's true.

We also kind of, I think, I think, I think all of those figures. I think every single, every single collab in that collab streak has become more controversial over time. I think that's true. But I think they were people who that was to a certain degree, their schick. So it was somewhat inevitable. I think. Yeah. I'm actually, X I can't tell.

Oh my God. AJ did you make it admin only don't don't add more admin only emotes did he seriously add the you being upset about the birthday song I absolutely did not send it to him on teams

so that he could do that oh my god this is amazing oh you probably you probably need that new command what's the you're going to need a new command um what is the what is the command for slash clear cash uh with a capital c how do i type how do i type this oh yeah the spam has begun cash cleared no no no no no for the first

is lowercase the second key is c is capital oh everybody's doing it wrong my bad i said it i said it poorly the it's it's clear all lowercase and then capital c cash yeah all right CASH um as for a sibling rivalry with my kids I think we why would you do this people are actually doing it

why would you do that's great that's how I get all their money from LTT store they type clear cash it all comes to me they clear their cash it re-ups their subscription every single time

um yeah this is the real hype train as for as for kids same thing my kids don't aspire to the same things like they're they're very very different I'd say that with the daughters it's it's something that we're going to be paying more and more close attention to as they like hit puberty and stuff and they start to you know think about body image and stuff like that but so far it hasn't really been a major issue like it's not like it's not like my daughter's care that my son's team went 36 and 0 for volleyball this year based the the gym coach who's been there long enough to long enough that how do I say this

Not rudely Basically she's been there a very long time And she said to her knowledge No team at the school has ever had an undefeated season In any grade in any sport Which was pretty cool So they went completely undefeated this year That's epic

Just swept everything They unfortunately there were no provincials For his grade volleyball this year Oh but there will be at higher grades? But there will be at higher grade, so he's, um, so he's, he's getting pretty, he's getting pretty into it. I told him, don't forget about badminton. Don't forget to play with me sometimes. People are typing slash loof. Yeah, that'll just unlock everything. That makes sense. And I don't know when more underwear stock is coming. I'm sorry. Okay, we should move on to a new

topic. Microsoft exec says, Windows is evolving into an agentic OS. and gets cooked in the replies. Although, in fairness, Windows 11 start menu does seem like it's getting a pretty good redesign. How is that in fairness? I mean, they're doing something. Something positive. I think it's but also.

Sure. Microsoft's current head of Windows, Pavan da Villeurie posted on X to say that the future of the platform is one that is evolving into an agentic OS. The tweet has seen pushback with various opinions pretty much all stating the same thing nobody wants to use Windows primarily through an AI middleman the Windows start menu is receiving

its first significant makeover since 2021 and will be delivered to all users as part of the November 11th update I do like it more the menu is now scrollable so you can move through your apps in one place and the interface is now larger with a responsive layout that adapts to the screen size

automatically however you cannot resize it manually for comparison and yeah the start settings page is being updated and will no longer feature the layout option if you disable all the recommended settings you'll also have the ability to hide the recommended section of the start menu which honestly is probably good i don't need recommendations for what it was that i was hoping to open right now because you have no way of knowing that um i'm going to kill our discussion question here and we're just going to kind of move on because yeah that's all i think

I really feel the need to say about that. Oh, this one doesn't have a header, so I can't collapse it. Downer. Luke, you want to pick one? Sure. Let's talk about Ubisoft. Oh, no. I just feel like it would do in a throwback to the old house.

Keep on digging. Keep on digging. Yeah, we had this thing on WAN show. It's been a very long time where there was just, it felt like. Every week. Yeah, six months. like I don't know how long it was a long time there's every every week every other week at least there was some terrible news out of Ubisoft or they were doing something awful which was insane

because that was also at like a pretty fairly peak time for Ubisoft oh yeah that was like Assassin's Creed 4 and like like all these like really big like their games are doing well but they were just doing really horrible things to their customers like the launch would be super buggy and they'd fix it later but it was just like unnecessary floating eyeballs and stuff that was like slightly later than what i was talking about but definitely still during keep on digging yeah so we even made a shirt it had a shovel on it nick van berkel designed it that was back when just like we didn't have designers we just had our video editors who had some familiarity with like talented people yeah the adobee suite so anyway yeah all right what's up with ubi soft right now ubi soft delayed it's half year earnings

report, which is a really big deal for public companies and requested halted trading until its release on Thursday, November, okay, we're moving stuff around. On Thursday, November 13th, the day Ubisoft was to release its half year, yeah, the day of crazy, was to release its half year 2025, 2026 earnings report. The company instead announced a delay and requested a halt to the trading of its shares and bonds on Euro next. All right. Right. N. Gashett says delays to earning reports may happen due to accounting issues, but speculates halting trading of the company's shares could portend major news, such as a sale or Ubisoft becoming a private entity again. Oh, interesting. Tencent recently took a 25% stake of new Ubisoft subsidiary Vantage Studios, which now manages the company's major titles like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and Rainbow. Why would they do that? That's weird.

Because they want to own gaming? No, why would Ubisoft split off their major titles into a sub-brand? Because Ubisoft is f***. Oh. So sink the bad ship, move everything else off and do a... Okay. All right. Make sense. There was talk of Tencent taking Ubisoft private last year. Yikes.

This follows contract buyouts for some employees of the... company just last month. This is the kind of like financial finangling that means that no matter how poorly managed a company is, once it's big enough, it almost feels like there's no consequences for the leadership because they can just make moves and then, yeah, keep shoveling money into the sacks of money that they sleep on, presumably. Like, the individual developers will suffer in all of this, like sort of reorg, acquisition, nonsense, but the actual, the leadership that put them in a position where they weren't profitable

enough to just keep doing what they were doing in the first place, if anything, will probably benefit. I, uh, yeah, I, I, I saw a comment go by about this, but I also had the thought and I, and I lost the comment, so I can't say the person's name, so sorry, but, um, video game industry, Canada, yikes. Oh, yeah. EA is now purchased. Yep. Ubisoft is, Well, let's see, but something. Clearly something funky is happening. Yeah, yeah, Star Eye says China, Ubisoft, and Saudi EA crazy times. Pretty much.

Yikes. We should probably do sponsor spots at some point. This is, ooh. Or not. Carry on. Not, you can go for it. I was going to have a conversation about, like, the industries that you can get into in Canada and how that's like. I had a conversation on a recent trip about, um, okay.

I didn't realize Adrino. Radion. Oh. Oh, yeah, wasn't it Imagion? Didn't they, like, acquire that IP or something from AMD? And, hold on. There was some speculation that they might have acquired some part of ATI? Imagine.

Previously, A.T.I. Maggion. was a series of media co-processors. Hold on, hold on. Produced by ATI later, AMD. AMD later sold it to Qualcomm in 2009. Yeah. So that's where Adrino comes from?

I actually didn't realize that that was where Adrino came from. Had no idea. I thought Imagion was a cooler name, personally. Imagine's pretty cool. Yeah. But anyways, Adreno comes from there. But ATI was Canadian for the people that don't know. We also had Nortel.

Blackberry A lot of our But yeah sure You used to be able to get a rim job in Canada No problem Now there are no rim jobs We even exported rim jobs But yeah

A lot of our tech Has been bought and moved away Yep Now our gaming industry Is being bought and moved away And it's like What do you go to school for To get into industry for in Canada now

There is still a lot of stuff get into medical care and then you move that is a yeah that is a space that is getting worse over time and that's not good and I hope we start doing things to start uh flow plane chat you got to get your mind out of the gunner okay it's a research in motion job yeah what are you talking about grow up what are they even talking about grow up what is it though I'm not going to tell you your virgin mind cannot virgin tongue anyways I'm sad about this there have been

oh wow there are there are a lot of Ubisoft games that I've really loved over the years Ano is fantastic I've been a huge fan of the Assassin's Creed line a bunch of the especially I don't know how much credit Ubisoft can take for Anno yeah sure fair enough

yeah like that team's been around killing it since like the 90s and as far as I know they're they're like kind of isolated yeah Ubisoft just publishes for them as far as I can tell oh I didn't actually realize it was that separated my bad um I know I thought they were a thing within but I don't I've not like looked this up um oh apparently some annogames have been developed by ubysoft blue bite German video game holding company owned by Ubisoft It was founded in blah blah blah So I thought they were just all

Max Design I didn't realize there was even two So I don't know Oh no Defunct 2004 Okay yeah it shows you what I know Actually uh okay no no Wait

By Sunflowers in collaboration with Relinda of Max Design again Based in Schladming Uh Company is best known for creating the ANO series the company was closed down in 2004. Okay, yep. It shows you what I know then.

It's been a while. But anyways, they've made a lot of games that I have really loved. But the way the company has been run has always been highly questionable, hence the old Keep on Diggin memes. The creation of Ubisoft Connect

or whatever the heck it's even called now, UPlay, um, was pretty whack. There's been a lot of things that have just been like, not great so i'm not surprised they're in a in a tough spot but it sucks to lose even more canadian industry and i understand like it's not like ea just like deleted their offices in canada or anything but i wouldn't be surprised if the focus shifted yeah anna's about as

ubisoft as it gets it looks like developer for ano eighteen hundred is ubysoft blue bite yep so it's It's first party. Yep. Sorry about that. Max Design only did the first two back in 1998 and 2002. Make sure get that right for you guys. I didn't play those ones. So yeah, I was honestly, mostly sad.

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it's it's another podcast with a bunch of white dudes a lot of the same flavor of ice cream vanilla baby just a lot of vanilla it's just the color of the hair in your vanilla ice cream would you like darker hair in your vanilla ice cream and a lot yeah there's so much why why is there so much in this ice cream entirely too much it's mostly hair with some vanilla you mean none of them are balding and they all have beards what's happening right now um my question is where should the hair come from? Is it time to get an office cat? Yeah. I went to grab a granola bar from the cupboard before the WAN show today and my first two attempts the package

had been opened by what appeared to be rodent teeth. Yeah, did I tell you about the one time I took a meeting on the WAN set? No. I had to get a meeting. A meeting with Taryn went a little bit long, so I couldn't make it over the lab. I needed somewhere to sit. I checked the conference room, conference room taken. I don't have time to just keep checking all the different areas. So I just ran out of the WANSax. I knew it would be free. I had a meeting here. I had to take a picture really quick for the WAN hoodie. And I picked up that sign, your A plus sign, and held it in front of me. And there was, I think, three spiders on the back. And they just left me alone. So I just held it with them there, put it back. Then while I was taking the meeting sitting on

the set. I saw not one but two different mice running around the set. We could use a cat. We could maybe use two cats, one for each building, or for each major building. So we used to have an employee that not only was quite allergic to cats, but not willing to overcome it, like not into cats. Got it. I think we would have to, maybe this could be a subject for the all hands on Monday. Maybe we could, maybe we could just basically go, Is anyone going to health reasons veto a cat? Well, we can't do that in public. We'd have to allow them to do it privately.

Give us, let us know. Yeah, let us know. Yeah. But otherwise, we think we should, we think we need some cats. We could use something. I, I, I, the lab is infested by flies. It's been the solution for thousands of years. Yeah.

At this point, you know, little houses that they go into or whatever. We're reinventing the wheel. The wheel is a. cat. Yeah. So, okay, all right. I'm, I, at this point, I'm looking at it going, okay, and if someone does object to it, I think I would want to kind of talk to them and go, okay, well, like, here's

the issue. Like, are the allergies worse than, because we clearly can't get the rodents under control? Maybe. And maybe. And maybe the answer is yes. So the answer could absolutely be yes. And that would be fine. Yeah.

It depends on the severity. Yeah. But are the allergies worse than the risk of, like, rodent infestation being a health hazard? Because we've tried. We've got traps freaking everywhere. That's pretty bad. They are. But it's a huge space.

They literally ran past one. So much clutter. I was trying to get a video to prove that I saw two separate mice on the Wancho set. And while trying to film them, which I failed to do because they were quick, I didn't think of it fast enough. I saw one of the traps that they just very clearly ran past. Yeah. All right, I think it's, I think it might be time. Arachus says ferrets are better mousers and are rarely an allergy concern.

Yeah, but they stinky. Yeah, stinky litter box. Whereas cats are, we could get a couple robot litter boxes. There's a few people that have said that would be a bad idea, but I haven't seen a single person say, why? I do have cat allergies and it can cause massive long-term issues? Massive long-term issues. I've never heard of a cat allergy causing long-term.

issues. Yeah. Neither of us know what's going on. So this might just, you know, not be able to be a thing. Yeah. And if it's not able to be a thing, then it won't be a thing. Keep having mice or we'll put out more traps or maybe both. Yeah.

Can you get one of those hairless ones? Oh, I'd be so down. It's the hair that... I'd be so down. We could get a Peterbald. Isn't it the, like, dandruff or whatever, that's usually the issue? Dander. But they apparently have, like, way less.

Yeah, Peterbald, let's go. Hyperionetic. Apparently, you can also. give them food which reduces it so maybe you get one of these and the food Peterbald good look at them ah it's the saliva not the hair wouldn't that make it easier deal with it yeah because they don't have to lick themselves as much i think the the hairless ones Peter bald I don't know what's going on they are not truly hypoallergenic because the blah blah blah well their lack of fur can mean less shedding and therefore fewer airborne allergens a person

and with a cat allergy can still have a reaction to the proteins in their saliva. This is all AI though, so who knows? There are breeds that are supposed to have less. I like Elijah's plan. Can we give everyone a gun to shoot the mice? This isn't Texas. That's a... Dang.

Air gun? It's Canada. We'll give them a rifle. Yeah, as long as it's under 495 feet per second, sure. No problem. They're going to test it? Is it 495? I can't remember. I don't know. Pinkball guns.

Conrad said, I'm Omega. allergic to cats will break out in hives. I imagine other people are as well. It's possible. Surprising to me how common that is. Interesting. Apparently, allergies kind of had like a peak when we were kids. And apparently some of them are actually declining now.

Like peanut allergies are on the decline now because parents are being encouraged to expose their kids earlier or something. I was reading about that the other day. Pretty wild. Yeah, dude, this is such a crazy fan. In fact, tri-lumin in full-plane chat said there's no rats in Alberta. Have you seen the rat population map of the world?

Yeah, that's pretty funny. It's nuts. I actually brought that up with Linus Torvalds. His comeback was, oh, even rats don't want to live there. I was like, wow, damn. Shots fired. He seems funny. I've seen some of his stuff.

Oh, yeah, he's super funny. Oh, there we go. There's just an Alberta-sized hole. Boop. incredible oh yeah wow I did have it right 495 FPS is the below

maximum until it's considered a firearm in Canada neat I love I love this this website that I found cities without rodents in the world

Alberta Canada not a city but okay good try solid effort Oh, man. Google will allow experienced users to install Android apps that were made by unverified developers.

Google is walking back their plan to lock down side loading on Android. It's good news. In August, the company announced that starting next year, Android users would only be able to install apps made by verified developers. Now Google is saying that

experienced users will still be able to install apps from wherever they want, although it will take a few extra steps, and a handful of warnings. Google claims that the idea here is to curb malware without completely shutting the door on Android's openness. The change appears to be a response to heavy pushback from developers, industry groups, and everyday users

who just didn't love Google deciding what trusted means. For good reason. Discussion question here is, how do you combat companies just arbitrarily determining what an experienced user is or a trusted app? Because that's the one thing where I said, what does it mean? What are experienced users?

Experienced user means that you can navigate some prompts. Like, basically what I'm imagining, because they've already got warnings. So I'm imagining that maybe you have to do something that's, like, kind of hidden. Like the tap five times to become a developer or whatever thing. Sure. I'm imagining right now. Overall, I see this as a positive step, and I'm going to try not to be pessimistic about it. You got to get those braces fixed, man.

When can you, when can you get it done? How long is it going to be? What am I supposed to do? What would you have me do? Get the, is it just the rubbers? Is it even that? What is going on? What is it?

I do not put rubbers in my mouth. What is it? At least not unaccompanied. Wow. Wow. Who is it? So right now, I don't wear those. It's his dentist.

You have one that isn't miscolored in the middle of two that are discolored. So I can explain that. I can explain that. So right now, they are, I have a stronger bar in the top than I did a week ago. They put like a thicker one in. And in order to keep my teeth from separating, like shifting apart, they put what's called a power chain on it. That sounds sick. I know, right?

Instead of individual elastics, it's a chain of elastics that holds the bar in place and also keeps the teeth together. So that's across the front. The power chain is not available in all the like fun colors that you can put on if you get the individual ones. As far as I know anyway, I actually didn't ask. I've just been putting on the clear or the white ones up until now. But what's actually causing the discoloration problem, oh yeah. So the white ones will discolor, especially with very colorful food. So the issue is that I had nothing but curry for three days.

Which is wild. Well, we ordered too much and my kids didn't want it. So what I'm going to do? Throw it away. I waste it? Would you have me waste chicken? No. Oh, no.

That's what I'm talking about. Especially not now. And I ate all the chicken. Good. So the chicken was consumed. Exactly. 100% success eating the chicken. In addition to that, I have...

Slash cure. Clear chicken, sorry. I have this, I have this, like, a semi-permanent wax, like glue kind of thing that they, they paint on top of these brackets,

and then they cure with a UV light. It seems to be pretty susceptible to curry stain. And that's why this one fell off. Oh, wait. So it's not the power thing. So that will turn color as well, but I've only had that for a week. So it's actually the glue that's on top.

And if I don't wear it, it um these ceramic brackets they sit super proud off the tooth and uh i don't think yeah i don't i don't think you'll be able to tell but you can go for it oh that's rough oh that's really rough they are ludicrously sharp that's rough um like i've had braces before yeah the metal those are you've mentioned that they're proud off the tooth those are crazy and so they sit prouder off the tooth and they are ridiculously sharp and they're sharp corners and they're ceramic they're not smooth they have a kind of a texture it feels like they should have been able to solve the sharpness you would think so that's nuts um surprised

this isn't like a more widely known issue because i can't imagine how that wouldn't irritate the inside so as far as i can tell the company that makes these um helps there be positive media about it. But you can find people complaining about how sharp they are. But I didn't Google it. I just was like, oh, yeah, I don't know, 3D printed ceramic and it's faster. Yeah, let's do that one. I strongly regret the choice that I made.

The inside of my mouth is always shredded. And these glue things, they'll stay on. Again, like I can't imagine how it wouldn't be. anywhere from a week to like a month and then I but like my ortho has been pretty good about it I can go in I can just drop in I don't have to make an appointment I can go in any time and get them to to reapply them but literally if it meant that my teeth could not look yellow I don't even care because I'm going to have that glue on my teeth yeah and I'm going to keep eating butter chicken so go fuck yourself is there is there some can you discolor it with something else Um, because yellow is particularly rough. Would I look better purple? Like, what are you even getting at here? I think so. I should eat beats. I think so. Because like in, in your peripheral view, it's just like a glow of yellow. It just. Yeah. Yeah, I saw some comments. So, so there were, there were some new, some new folks watching the, uh, the steam frame and steam machine videos. Those were far and away outperformers for our channel. So there's been some kind of new viewers coming in or people who haven't been around for a while. And so, there was more than, you know, with the core audience that watches all the time, comments on the braces or, and some that I apparently don't brush my teeth. It's like, no, no, I brush my teeth.

In fact, I have to work very hard to brush my teeth because of my stupid orthodontics that are all over them. But it's okay. It'll only be another year. You want your teeth to be yellow for a year, dude? No. Yeah. I don't want it. I wonder, like, someone's, someone's, someone,

suggested Kool-Aid? Kool-Aid. To color them a different color? Why would I do that? I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.

Green, would that be better? Red? What would you prefer? Pink. Pink teeth would look better. No, that would look diseased. Yeah. There's no proper color for teeth

except white or a little bit yellow. Those are the only natural colors for teeth. I'm sorry. That's not a little bit. yellow dude the curry was worth it it was delicious it's like the yellow in the mountain on your starry night shirt it's like that yellow it's it's not slightly yellow actually i have a bar of yellow hold on it's like it's like in here you stud g 76 okay outstanding uh they use different recipes at some of the locations

so I can't really speak to any of the ones other than... I love that he just takes a photo standing in front of it and it's mostly of him. Other than Cerescent store. Yep. That's incredible. This guy... That's so good. I asked the staff if he's like this in person and they were like, yep.

He's just wearing a Gucci jacket in one of them? He is apparently... Wait, he's not in these! He is apparently exactly like this. That sucks. He's exactly like you would imagine. And this is the kind of like decor they have. I don't know if they have any pictures of the insides of the restaurants, but like they always have Mr. Bean playing in this one on the, uh, on the TV, like the animated Mr. Bean.

It's, I don't know. It's super weird, but it's good, good curry. There's one showing up in Langley City. Nice. I'm excited about that. Solid. Solid. Solid. Ustad G76. Quality. My favorite Indian food place is gone. Oh, really? Which one? Masala Indian Bistro. Oh, bummer. Yeah. Yeah, my, my old favorite was actually taken over by Ustad G, and I got lucky because it's even better. It used to be called Taste of Punjab, that one, and then Ustad G came in and put some artificial turf up on the walls. Okay, so literally every single time the Flowplane team visits, we go to Masala.

Yeah, AJ's pointing out our tradition. We go to Masala every time because it's like a few of their favorite restaurants, but like, especially Jonathan, but like a few of people's favorite restaurants. And I don't think any of them knew it was permanently closed yet. But yeah. Ustad G76. Maybe. Yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to.

to do something because Masala, I call it Masala, but there's a bunch of, he is a G. It does kind of fit. It does really fit. Like how dyed is that facial hair? Yeah. But yeah, it's gone. AJ, if you, if you, if you, if you Google it, it's gone. And it was really highly rated and I honestly don't know why it's gone. I hope it's for some good reason. Yeah, probably not. win on. They had a lot of people there. It was really good. Very good. Speaking of good reasons, Jack Dorsey felt he had a good reason to fund Devine, a vine reboot that includes Vine's video archive and bans AI content, however they're going to enforce that. Jack Dorsey is backing to Vine, a reboot of Vine through his non-profit and other

stuff, which is interesting because Twitter owned the old Vine before shutting it down in January of 2017 the app was created by current and other stuff um and former twitter employee evan henshaw plath aka rabble using data previously stored by archive team which is also not the same as the archive org team rabble was able to restore 150 to 200 thousand original vines from 60,000 creators who can contact him if they want to take control of their reconstructed accounts devine breaks from its short form video brethren by banning AI-generated content. It'll use tech from the human rights non-profit the Guardian Project to confirm that a clip was truly captured

on a smartphone. I mean, okay, I wish them, does that work really good? Anyone? No idea. Plus, because it's built on Noster, a decentralized protocol favored by Dorsey and is open source, okay, I'm actually starting to think it might be cool. Developers can set up and create their own apps

and run their own hosts, relays, and media servers. You know what? You know what? How did that suddenly get really cool right at the end? That started pretty shit, and now I'm open to it. That was really fast. Yeah. I think that's about the fastest I've had my mind changed on something in recent times.

Yeah. Okay. All right, Dorsey. I'll bite. Not everything you've done has been super duper amazing across the board. If we want another weird update that's like sort of related to this. This page got an update. dig got an update we talked about this a while ago that they were launching dig again but now there's like a tagline for it humanity at the core technology at the edges we're building a human first community platform that places authentic community and connection at the forefront from day one i got an invite i've been too busy to actually sign up for it but i got an invite for this so maybe i'll be able to check it out and we can talk about it later um but it's interesting and that reddit has so much inertia

yeah wouldn't even describe it as momentum it's more like inertia it just has this like mass that is just it's it's impossible to replicate for a new platform yeah um our discussion question for the vine thing divine is um how a short form video evolved since finds departure i mean honestly has it it's pretty similar yeah i think it's pretty similar it's got less uh me me and funny and it's a little bit more definitely more addictive yeah like the the masters of it

have had a lot more time to master it dude it's still fascinating that lime vine sorry ever shut down fascinating yeah

gotta be one of the craziest fumbles ever periscope sure what was its value add I mean vine though was wild I mean I didn't care about vine but so many people did

some of those popular videos on YouTube when Vine was around was Vine compilation it's like part of my personality yeah like yeah yeah I don't know like I have to confess I didn't really get it I didn't really care didn't care about short form video

but it's it's clear that a lot of people did I mean I guess the idea was just to migrate those users to Twitter but then it was never quite the same it's just it really captured like when we're talking Silicon Valley and capturing eyeballs it like really captured eyeballs I don't know I don't know if capping people at six seconds is still going to be interesting I don't know if that's going to work that was sort of some of its downfall it did improve some

of the quality because you actually had to construct a narrative in six seconds yeah a lot of people I've heard recently complain about TikTok because you'll it'll be like a one minute video and they just kind of never get to the point yeah you have to construct something in six seconds but how do you monetize it CatOS points out they did get rid of that in the in the

at near the end and then what's the point it's just TikTok but yeah but TikTok wasn't around too slow which is which is my point which is like Vine was freaking huge

I mean if you look at the people that just because Vine died moved over to YouTube and then became massive YouTubers absolutely they had just smash hit as much as I might not like all them they had smash hit creators

on Vine, it was like a cultural phenomenon, and they just shut it down. Wild. I mean, no one ever said Twitter was a well-run company. At any point. At any point. I mean, that's been, your stance has been pretty, pretty clear on Twitter being a dumpster fire then end now. So is this really that surprising? The only useful thing about Twitter is that practically everyone has an account and you can DM people.

I'm thinking about just deleting mine, though. I think I just might be done. I still use the DM portion often enough that I don't want to get rid of it. It is still the easiest way for me to reach out to someone that I don't know and get a response. Unless that changes, I don't see myself deleting my account. I don't use Discord more than Twitter. Yeah, but how do you find the person? If I don't know the person yet.

Yeah. Well, I guess I still, okay, so I have the luxury of still having the corporate Twitter if I really need to. so I could make a connection with that which is, you know, it's verified whatever that means these days and it's got a big follower account so it should, you know. Yeah, and to be clear, I like really don't use it that often.

But if I'm like, hmm, this one person that I know of would be like really useful to talk to about this one topic, but I've never actually had a contact with them. Yeah, that's totally valid. Jump on Twitter, find them. It's the same reason I have Facebook, except that's for getting in touch with

family in your life yeah that exactly i see no value to facebook anymore except marketplace well yeah marketplace is very and shi-fied now but for only you all the rest of us get boring marketplace and you get all the fun one no i ruined mine no i actually bought some stuff and now it's ruined there was someone on reddit talking about how they were linus training there i saw that dude really funny crazy that it worked immediate results so sick so sick so sick training my marketplace to shoot an email next time then you might meet torvalds here here it is uh one week update on my marketplace training taco bell nine feet tall so good potential uranium glass slag question mark

spirit s1 lsa shiny plane BMW 5 ton 6 by 6 oh bm y excuse me full tank of gas for a t i 84 c e plus calculator vertical machining centers sure full size traffic light retired plastic jersey barriers there's so much crazy stuff

on Facebook marketplace you just have to be brave enough to click it I love my favorite one was the potential uranium glass question mark yeah I loved that one who knows what it is not me so good pay me pay me bitch like what do you is this?

AI artist Topps country music chart. Kind of. Kind of. I hate this time. AI generated music has routinely been charting over the past month or so, but the track,

Walk My Walk by Breaking Rust, has landed at the top of Billboard's country digital song sales chart with over three million streams on Spotify. Which is a ton, but not why it's up there. It should be noted, however, that the digital song sales chart is not a mainstream chart

and only required 3,000 sales in order to be topped. Sales are either 150 streams or a purchase from iTunes. This means you can easily top the chart with an iTunes gift card and some bots. And this is what I was going to add to this topic that I don't see in the comments, but a lot of the comments on it are clearly bought it.

Definitely. Clearly. And if you're going to bought comments, why not bought streams as an example disturbs cover of the sound of silence which is an awful cover says Adam Sondergarde I'm not taking a position on this

has been at the top of the alternative digital song sales chart for 400 weeks that's a few that's wild that is a few casual eight years another AI artist Zanya Monet has been making headlines after signing a $3 million record deal and her gospel track

let's go let's go garnering millions of views across platforms. That's not it. That's not the title of the song. What is it? Oh, let go let God. Sorry, I, I, yep. Yeah, that makes more sense. That doesn't actually make a lot more sense. Or wait, I guess it kind of does. Let go, let's, so it's Jesus take the wheel. Which as far as my understanding is not the lessons you're supposed to take, but I mean, it's been a while. So I could be wrong.

You could be. I wouldn't presume to, I, I can't. To me, it's fascinating having a AI artist do religious songs. There's got it. There's something in there somewhere. Something in there somewhere. Yep. Yep.

Discussion questions. Would you go to the concert of a virtual artist? I mean. No. No? Okay, cool. Next question. How is this?

different from bands like guerrillas? What about Hatsunimiku, which performs songs written by a community? Well, it's different because humans crafted that, whereas this didn't. Next question. Can there be true artistic intent behind AI music?

Artistic intent? Okay, well, hold on a second. I could see a poet making an argument that if they human crafted lyrics and then an AI like generated song, something to them, there was at least some. There was less than, there was more than zero.

Dirt Dragon raises a very interesting point. All right, hit me. We should make, we should need, we probably won't even need to make it happen. It'll just happen, but if it doesn't just happen, we should make the Riley, I'm taking a bathroom, top the charts. By botting it? Yeah.

You want to improve AI adoption? Might as well use it for evil. I mean, good. Yeah. Sometimes they might be the same. Yeah. He just left. should we do something

there's some topics in here that are not fully planned out so I won't do those what do we do it's not normal to have him just leave randomly I mean does he not want to talk about this interesting I can talk about this other topic Sony announced a cheaper Japanese language only PS5 exclusive to Japan

and they also revealed a PlayStation monitor. The PlayStation monitor is wild. We'll talk about that in a second. Sony announced a cheaper Japanese, blah, blah, blah, all that kind of stuff. It's the first time they've region-locked a console since the PS2 back in the year 2000. Like Nintendo's Japan-only Switch 2 model, this special PS5 is Sony's attempt at making the console more affordable domestically. Sony also announced a PlayStation branded gaming monitor, the 2560 by 4. 1440 monitor has an iPS panel and a 240 hertz refresh rate, but the 240

Hertz refresh is only available when hooked up to a PC, which is... What? Very interesting. What does that mean? It just runs at 120 hertz when connected to PlayStation consoles. Huh. And it has a dual sense charging hook. They are publishing their games on Steam and PC now.

This is maybe not that weird. The whole industry is getting very strange. What is happening? Xbox is being the weirdest out of all of it. We're going to get Xbox on the GameCube. It's like... It's a weird way. I don't know what's happening.

Sony hasn't priced the monitor. They don't quote response times or brightness. And even Sony's quoted HDR capability is vague at best, with PC gamers saying that the monitor doesn't seem like a hugely compelling proposition for PC games. gaming. Interesting. When we don't even know the price, that's interesting.

Discussion question. Do you have any memorable experiences with region locked products? If you ask, tell us your tails. If you don't have any anecdotes, what are your opinions on region locking in general? I don't like region locking. I am conflicted on the, it's cheaper domestically thing.

I think it's kind of based, even though I'm not going to benefit from it. And then how do you do that while actually making it so that it's cheaper for everyone? Because they just order the ones in Japan. So I don't know. But in general, I think region locking is kind of bad because it promotes e-waste problems. What do you think? Yeah, I think so.

I mean, these days it's just kind of strange to region lock anything. It seems extremely unnecessary. The whole world is super global now. Yeah, Palin and TSC is no longer a thing. No, no. I mean, my thought would be taxes, export, that sort of stuff. You know, I know Japan is a little strange in some regards. I mean, there's talk of flying to Japan to get, like, things cheaper than you could just importing them, which is very odd.

I wonder if that has to do anything. Sorry, I thought you're done talking about something. No, go for it. Binky draws, I can't see you. I was about to say it's really hard, yeah. Binky Draw says, is it actually region locked or is it only sold in one region? And I don't technically know, but it says in here region locked, which would make me think it's not just only sold there. Another discussion question.

What comes to mind is your favorite unexpected console branded product or peripherals? The PlayStation 3D TV, GameCube, or Dreamcast, keyboard, etc. And I don't think I have one. That's very boring. But I think it's true. Very few come to mind. Because it specifically says unexpected. So I would traditionally say just like Xbox controllers

because I like them so much more than PlayStation 1's personal. What about that KFC thing? Was that real? That's also... Or is that... No, that's the opposite. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Darn, I'm trying to think of anything. Floop plane chat. Do you have anything? I don't think I have an example. I don't have an example at all. Oops. Oh, well. But yeah, that's kind of funky and weird. What is your thought on them making it cheaper in Japan? What do you think about that?

Well, that makes me think that is definitely some sort of like, you know, export thing. Yeah. I feel like if there was a Canadian company and they made it cheaper for Canadians, I would think that was cool. I'm fine with that. I think if they're basically sacrophars. sacrificing their like margins locally and putting it up elsewhere

that's fine sacrifice is that when you pretend to kill someone to appease the gods yeah it sounds like it or do you actually kill someone to appease a fake god a sacrifice I think it could be either maybe it's one of those words with two definitions

did I interrupt only slightly PlayStation 5 exclusive version in Japan it's region locked but it's cheaper also they released a monitor Region locks are anti-consumer and should always be objected to Yeah, it's cheaper for them

Just like naming it the same thing When it's actually a different product We should always object to that It's cheaper for them So I think this is their way Of making it cheaper for Japanese people Why is it cheaper for them? This is fairly normal

If it's only sold in Japan And it's cheaper? No, I mean, what do you mean it's cheaper for them Like for Sony? This region, no for Japanese people. Oh. Okay.

But you can only use it in Japan or with Japanese games or other stuff? If we're interpreting the region lock thing correctly, which I think we are. No, it's still anti-consumer. Yeah. They should just sell it for like more cheaper in Japan if they really want to. But then that's going to get abused immediately, obviously. But then like if they can afford to sell it for that much, then they should just do that. That's obviously not how that works.

You know that. I mean, even shipping something else. of Japan. Like it would have to be markedly cheaper for it to not make more sense to just that's fair. Buy it somewhere else when it's been shipped in bulk. I don't know how much the discount is. 5500, 55,000 yen. Yeah, let's convert that. U.S.D. Wow, that's really cheap. 355 compared to the normal one was, is this a pro or is a normal? I think it's normal. Digital edition. So it's the non-disc normal one. Yeah, it's still 350 bucks okay yeah people would buy 500 people would buy them in bulk yeah and ship them

overseas um all right i'm thinking how else could you do this i don't think you can i don't like that there's region locking i agree i think it's anti-consumer as well i don't like it i think it's a bad contributor to things like e-waste and just not good things in general yeah but I also think it's kind of cool that they're offering a domestic discount. I'd be okay with it if they committed to unlock it, like, when it's a lot or something. Yeah. That's cool. I like that.

I think that would be a good compromise. I like that a lot. If the PS6 launches, you unlock all of them. Or like a year into the PS6 being around. Okay. How would you feel about it? device that rather than being region-locked was cheaper up front, but the games were more expensive. What about a global unlock code?

So if you have it in Japan, it's region-locked? I'm just, I'm just chit-chatting now. Oh, so this has nothing to do with... Yeah, what if they had a $300 PlayStation 5, but every game costs like $20 more, knowing that most people will buy like between five and a dozen games or whatever. So they make their money in the longer term. but it's basically it's choose your own adventure on whether you want one that's priced profitably in the first place with cheaper games or whether you want one that's priced cheaper but you know you're going to pay more for the games if you still had the option to buy the full price one would you object to them having like a cheaper subsidized game one i don't think so if you still had the option there's definitely people that will buy a console for two games yeah even one game in certain cases so that was fascinating to me when I first found out that there was like

people who would play StarCraft and not video games they would just play StarCraft there was no other video games that they ever played I was like oh wow and then I started realizing that that was true

for a bunch of different games I just first discovered it was StarCraft my life for hire see I thought they were mercenaries my life for hire for the longest time yeah that's fairly reasonable

I never like thought about that But but yeah It does kind of sound like higher I didn't know what zealot meant So I just yeah I just thought Zillet I'm pretty sure is the right way to say it I'm fairly certain I said Z lot Oh I 100% did

Yeah so many years So many years So many years Anyways I don't think there's much more unpacking of that I really like the idea of the region lock Just being timed though I think that's really cool.

I like that a lot. It's pretty funny that the monitor only runs at its maximum capability is hooked up to a PC. All right, cool. Did you guys already talk through this? Yeah. Okay. Right, cool. And we can close that then.

What else we got? There's lots. Yeah, there is. There's so much. We can do, here, a couple rapid fire topics. A group of U.S. lawyers has documented 509 cases of AI misuse in court filings. No notes, that's terrible. That's rough.

The UK is probing whether Chinese-made U-Tong electric buses on British roads can be remotely disabled. Yeah. So this is bad because Norway discovered that its Chinese-made buses can be remotely turned off by the manufacturer. This needs to not be a thing, and not specifically because these buses are made in China. but again because like calling a product the same thing or region locking it's just bad when you buy something you bought it from anywhere and you should have easy access to find information about it and you should have the right to use it in whatever the f*** country you want

that's it I object your honor what else we got hackers speaking of right to repair and right to use things you bought. Hackers are reviving Google's discontinued nest thermostats with an open source project called No Longer Evil. Yes. Amazing name. Hard to believe.

Incredible name. Google recently abandoned their nest thermostats, making them no longer smart because Google moved them to end of life and ripped functionality out of them. They were launched between 2011 and 2014. Cody Kosiemba has personal incentive to revive these thermostat. due to prior clashes with Google, but also a possible $15,000 financial incentive from Fulu to bring bricked devices back to life. This is cool.

The thermostat believes that it is communicating with the official nest infrastructure, but instead connects to the no longer evil platform. This approach ensures full compatibility with the device's existing software while breaking free from Google's cloud dependency. The firmware images and backend API server code will be open, sourced soon, allowing the community to audit, improve, and self-host their own infrastructure. How cool is this? The firmware upgrade from GitHub is still in the development stage, so the usual precautions apply, but it can be easily integrated into Home Assistant using MQTT or Rest APIs.

After applying the firmware, the user will be met with a new greeting, now made with 100% less evil. Freaking love it. And our discussion question is, should right to repair regulations be updated to include rules that provide immortality for evil devices, the answer is yes, it needs to be done yesterday. This needs to be dealt with instead of whatever the crap it is that legislators are doing right now.

Oh, there's more bad news, though. Memory prices are set to skyrocket due to demand from AI data centers. This was prepared by Mr. Pancratz. Sandisk has reportedly raised its NAND flash price contracts by 50% for November. November. Numerous module makers have paused shipments to re-evaluate their quotes. Transcend has

suspended quoting and deliveries starting November 7th, anticipating, this is a quote, favorable market conditions. This comes as the memory market is being dominated by demand from AI data centers and constrained wafer supply. So this is a really important point for folks that are looking at this going, well, why is DDR4 RAM affected? That's older. Why is gamer memory affected? It's because you still make RAM out of the same wafer, whether it's going into a server or a phone

or a laptop or a gaming computer or whatever the case may be. Okay, that's not quite true. Like, DDR4 RAM might actually not necessarily be made on the latest nodes, but still, in general, you are constrained by how much fab time there is.

So in response to constrained wafer supply, oh, it's the wafer supply specifically, okay, okay, so it would be constrained by supply of the actual wafer, so that would affect any manufacturing process. So in response, manufacturers have shifted their production focus away from products like consumer SSDs and DDR4 to more profitable DDR5 and HBM. This is causing a rise in pricing across all memory-related products. Here's an interesting memory price trend page from PC Part Picker.

Whoopsy-doodles. Here's the last 18 months. Stable, stable, stable, stable. Oh, no! EDR 43600 stable, stable, down, down, up, up, stable, stable, stable, Buh! Yeah, so this blows. Neat.

While customers are left scrambling to adapt, transcend, inodisc, and apacer of reporting revenue increases exceeding 60% year-over-year for Q3. So bully for them, I suppose. Discussion question is, if you're looking to purchase flashed towards a RAM, would you aim to buy now or try to wait it out? You could be waiting it out a very long time. AI data center demand won't collapse until the bubble pops. And what is it they say?

The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Fun times. In other news, AI-powered Russian humanoid robot walks on stage and falls on its face. Sounds about right. All the non-Russian ones are held up by chains and cables, so I don't know who's doing better. I don't think that's true.

Unitry looks pretty... Neeming. Impressive at this point. Here's a video over on... Unitry. Yeah. Unitry's dope. Here's a video from Blue Sky.

Oh. Wow, this is very far behind. Oh, boy. And... Oh, wow. Oh, wow. And there it goes. Oh.

Oh. It's funny. You could tell they knew it was screwed. Yeah, you could tell that it's Russian because it had some vodka before it went out on stage. Wow. Wow. Wow. The creators accompanying the robot and some crew immediately try to pull the robot off stage and hide broken leftover pieces with a large black cloth.

After Aldol, that's the name of the robot. um threw itself off a building sorry i mean fell over on the stage oh here's another fun one this is another kind of rapid fire one we sponsored a smaller creator rude you might have heard of them oh my god ads love it hey but this is uh also a much smaller sponsorship watching their ad da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da Hold on, I'm going to find it. I actually don't know where the...

Well, there it is. Hey, you might know this guy. I think I've seen him before. I've seen some very interesting speculation that we are like on terrible terms or something with people who leave the team or, you know, whatever. It is our earnest goal to be on good terms with anyone who departs here

and it is our genuine wish that they continue to be successful outside of LMG. I mean, look at it this way. Let's assume that I was entirely driven by my own narcissistic ego. Assume. Let's assume that. We don't know that. But let's assume it. Would I want someone to have a five-year-old?

career or 10 year career here and not come out with useful skills such that they could be a success. Right, it would just speak more well to you if they did. How would that reflect on me

and this organization? I mean, I'm always talking about it. World class team. You know? Let's assume the worst possible set of assumptions about me. even then

would I have an interest in people flying free and then falling flat on their faces if it's worse possible assumptions then sure but I'm extrapolating this a little bit too far I mean okay I mean the worst possible reasonable

assumptions about my character oh you added reasonable though we're okay what what assumptions could you make about my character such that I would want Alex and Andy to fail if it's worst possible assumptions that I could make any you just like hate people and everyone and you want it's like that quote of like my success

means nothing if others do not also fail have you heard that before uh but but my success can also be measured by the success of people that i agree i agree you said worst possible i guess that would be that would be terrible there's people like that um okay i mean that's really stupid um um um Um, anyway. Yeah. So the, the point is I'm, I'm very, I'm very excited. This is actually not the only, um, move. Yeah. That you guys will, uh, that you guys will see. We've got some, some pretty cool. I don't, I don't want to tea. I don't want to spoil anything because I don't want to take any of the, the wind out of the sales of the people who are going to be, you know, doing their own. Cause, because that's, that's the thing, right? Is they're on their own. they're doing their own thing, which I'm very pro-entrepreneurship. I've always been pro-small creators. I've always been pro-consumer. I've always been pro-entrepreneurship.

So I want to see people spread their wings and fly, and I want to let them kind of talk about the partnership in their own authentic voice before I go and put any words in their mouth. But this will not be the last, this will not be the last sort of collaboration slash, partnership with people who used to be on payroll and no longer are. It might not be hard to stretch that far, uh, considering you did personally go out of your way to make us that I couldn't meet Linus Torvald's. So you know that even if only 0.1% of people are stupid enough to believe you right now.

That is still 10 people. So you fuck me Now Way to go But there's also the Vod You f***ed me 10 times Plus the Vod That's not enough

I gotta pump those numbers up The Rucky numbers Oh man Yeah it's cool I think that's awesome Um Very cool People have any questions

Is LMG becoming a creator university you get paid to be at? I don't, I don't know. I mean, we've talked about this. Is that the worst thing? We've talked about this a fair bit lately, right? Like, what is my legacy? Yeah. If that happens, but we get, you know, if company hat firmly on, if we get good value out of them while they're here.

Yeah. And then. If they fly free. Yeah. Why shouldn't we be happy about that? People do leave companies. Yeah. We have existed for so long at this point.

Yeah, 13 years. And like, if we're. we want to keep existing for say that amount of time longer people are going to continue to leave that's what it is a fact of having companies basically there are some people as well that like they just have it in their veins that they're going to be running their own thing they're going to be an entrepreneur at some point just born to be an entrepreneur that's fine that's good we want them here sure if they want to be here for a while have some have some drive grow learn some things they tend to be motivated people You're probably going to be here for at least a few years.

They tend to be innovators. We will have definitely gained things as a company from you in that time. And then you can fly for you if you want. And look, I'm not necessarily... I'm not necessarily, you know, looking for suggestions for people for us to work with. We make a good faith effort to part on good terms with everybody. That doesn't necessarily mean that we succeed every time. you know and and a door is never completely shut almost never completely shut um

but we're definitely going to make the call in terms of you know who we are interested in partnering with right because you look at the way that we choose our sponsors it's going to be the same kind of thing we're going to just like we partner with sponsors who we believe have strong character and we hold them accountable in the same way the people that we're going to partner with in terms of sponsorships, we're going to be selective. And that applies across the board, you know,

whether someone's a former employee or whether someone isn't. You can expect to see in general a lot more creator sponsorships coming from us in the coming months. And I'm actually super stoked about it. It's pretty cool to kind of go full circle from being the sponsoree to the sponsor. It's weird. It's super weird. It's very weird.

It's weird looking at a video from the other end, if that makes sense. Yeah. And like, and like I don't have to do the negotiations on this stuff myself, right? But like obviously, you know, for me to kind of just throw the money out there and hope that the end product, you know, and my team is, you know, making sure that everything goes smoothly and their link is correct. Yeah, exactly. Like all those little stupid things that we know we have to deal with on our side and just kind of seeing it from. the from the brand side. It's really weird. Yeah. I was trying to scroll through his video

to find the sponsorship on my own laptop and I found it and I want to watch this with sound because his intro into it looks funny. But this is extremely unrelated, but he talks about Acetocorsa. Um, Seto Corsa, yeah. They have a new game that's in early access right now. called Assetto Corsa Rally that I'm like really hyped for. Have you played it at all? I haven't. I've got to get my SimRig set up. You have to tell me how this is.

Yeah. Because I used to love the dirt games. I... But when's the last dirt that came out? Well, I mean, I'm a dirt one stand. Second one was kind of not as good in my eyes. But having it in an Assetta Corsa engine is going to be amazing. I am very, very excited.

I read the reviews there was some comments on it like you know they don't have the physics dialed yet and stuff like that so I'm interested in hearing what you have to say and this is what I use VR for all the time that's why I kind of like that high-end tethered experience like dude this this is what I meant when I was like I don't know that I'm really going to regret buying the big screen beyond because if I can wear the big screen beyond to play this that's what I want it for you know the the the heavy index does get kind of like irritating when you're rapidly shoulder checking. Right. Yeah. Right. Because I do some eye racing on the side too and like you're you're basically like sitting there whipping your head about for three, four hours straight sometimes and it gets exhausting. Yeah, sorry. I know that was quite the gear shift. But I'm very, I'm very hyped for that game. I was going to Steam to look for the official page for the new hardware they're launching and that came up.

first for me and I was like oh nice anyways yeah it's exciting i like the idea i got to check that out yes yes i haven't had a functional computer in a well desktop in a very long time so who knows but um it's it's cool i like the idea of working with creators that have worked here in the past i like the idea of fostering those relationships i like this concept that like if we last for a long time we might end up building our own kind of like ecosystem of creators around here i don't know if our own is fair enough to say, but like we could end up contributing towards an ecosystem of creators around here because, you know, like there's METI, but there aren't like a ton in our space, at least creators in the tech technology, D.C. area. So just like effectively kind of

contributing towards that being more of a thing would be pretty cool. Canada tech creator valley. Sure. Sweet. It sounds awesome to me. yeah i don't need a new computer uh it's my my apartment is effectively non-functional meaning my computer is like put away right now all right i think it's time for land show after dark are we done all the topics did we do it we're done we did it all right let's go what oh I just thought you might read a merch message I was making it he's getting horrible he's doing work oh I thought I curated this one uh the one thing I couldn't get out of Linus T was I couldn't get him to say I'd like to interject for a moment

he didn't like he didn't think it was funny I was like okay well actually I wasn't like okay I tried really hard. I think I overheard some of that. I was getting more and more upset for you. No, no, yes, it was Stallman, but that's exactly what's funny about it. It's, Stallman was, the point is, what I tried to get him to do, I was going to refer to him, I was going to refer to myself as Linus, and I wanted him to say, I'd like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linus is, in fact, Linus, or as I've taken to calling it.

But, like, he was just like, I don't think it's funny. I'm like, okay. I can understand him not thinking that's funny. Yeah. I thought it was very funny, though. Yeah. So I tried. I tried.

I almost died on that hill. Sure. Fortunately, he didn't just pack his bags and leave. Yeah. This is not worth actually dying on, but I can definitely appreciate an effort. Sammy fucked me by like not getting the reference.

I was like, no, no, people will get the reference. It'll be really funny. And I was like, Sammy, Sammy, you're dialed in to like internet. But he like didn't know. I'd like to interject for a moment Sammy's dialed into brain rot

It's not the same thing Yeah Yeah Yeah It completely fucked me on that one Okay Buying the computer The commuter bag for my wife

A soon-to-be doctor of physical therapy Nice A good professional backpack Nice Do either of you have any funny Or interesting stories About physical therapists

Physical therapy humor Dan What are you even trying to do right now? now. I don't know. Do you curate this? You have elbow? I, when I was having crazy knee problems.

Sure. Okay. Funny. I tried to solve it through physical therapy. I ended up solving it with YouTube videos, which is strange. But I went to multiple physiotherapists at first. One of them wanted to do needles, but it was like little ones? Yeah, needles are generally pretty small.

Because there's like big ones and little ones and people, I say acupuncture or whatever the other one is. and they correct me, whatever. It was little needles, they're putting them in my quad, and she ended up, like, sending me away as a client. Like, I will not do this with you anymore. I can maybe do other things with you, but we will not do this because she'd put them in my quad,

and then my quad would go, and bend them all. Right, so you were breaking all her needles. Nice. Okay, that's pretty funny. That's the best I got. Didn't they also tell you that you were weird as all hell, like very strange client? because you actually did the exercises as when you were assigned.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my current physiotherapist said that, basically. I had a, I don't know what it was, I promised with my thumbs. I screwed up both of my thumbs, which was kind of weird. And he gave me a bunch of, like, a little hand push-ups and, like, all these other weird things. And then I came back to him and was like, we're good. Let's work on something else.

But, like, the thumbs are good. And he was like, what? Which was great. That's cool. All right. Well, I have nothing for funny physical therapy stories, but I do have some validation of that merch message that the commuter bag is awesome.

I got this from the head robot at Dbrand a few minutes ago. Got the CW Holiday Care package, genuinely so good. Thanks, team loved it. I'm going to out him here. I'm going to do it. Kept the commuter bag for myself. Tossing my peak design. Oh.

Usually companies don't name other companies. Leaked the DM. Sammy did it to me today. Seems fair. Yep, seems fair. Seems fair. You know what? That is actually like a killer endorsement because you know, you know what the head robot is like in terms of attention to detail and quality.

And appearance, I'm sure. And you've seen how expensive the head robot's stickers are. So surely the head robot could afford any backpack that he or she desired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So with all of that in mind. Okay, what's next? Q for Luke, if you had a nickel for every time you missed out on a gigantic Linux-related event, you'd have two nickels. Which one hurts more?

This one. What was the first one? I don't even know what could even compare to this. This is the one to end all ones I'm sure I could search my brain vault and find it I vaguely have a memory of that being a thing but there's too much recency damage that I can't

I can't even I think the term is recency bias No just damage Sorry dude Vance is nothing if he's not efficient Up next High, overly charismatic man, Dan, and chicken in sauce pan. These are getting very creative.

You've heard of price to performance. Now you're hearing of size to annoyance. What is the smallest thing? What is the smallest thing? Linus excluded that bothers you most. all right I like it that's a good question

that's a quality merch message because it's line is excluded um I'm gonna go no I I mean if I was the smallest thing that annoyed you the most it would be good for me to know I'm gonna go with eating sounds that is actually my barometer

for if I'm in a bad mood because sometimes I can't tell but if someone is chewing a little bit next to me. And they don't have their mouth open or anything, but I can just hear eating noises. I get a bit of misophonia. I don't love eating noises at the best of times. Like my stepdad, oh, he used to drive me nuts because he would eat cereal with his mouth open. And to be clear, my stepdad is the best stepdad that ever walked the face of the earth.

He's pretty great. I was never treated any differently from his own blood children. And that is something that is maybe not completely unique, but it is pretty darn special for a step parent to have, to, for me to go through, I don't know how many, like, I don't know how many years I lived with them, or even before I lived with them. Like, the second he married my mom, I was his kid. I was his son. And I called him dad. Call my dad, dad, dad too. But whatever, dad, dad, two dads. Turns out it doesn't f*** you up that much.

It's obviously different context. The point is we have a little button on the show. The point is he wasn't much of a quiet eater. and so I've always known that it's something that kind of like bothered me but I've outgrown it I've like mostly gotten over it

except when I'm low blood sugar or I haven't had enough sleep or usually both I'll be like I'll realize I'm like holding something kind of tight and Yvonne's just like sitting there like eating something I'll be like okay I need to deal with this because I am about to like slap the food out of her hand if if i don't deal with my mood right now so that i'd say that's mine i've had the the eating noises thing as well but i think a more recent so like current one and i it feels almost irrational well that's the thing but i mean that's basically what we're being asked fair enough it drives me insane when someone is there there are forms of it that are

okay but it's like when it's quiet enough that you're doing this or yeah this um but if you if you're playing stuff on your phone on speakers in public oh I mean that's that's not even a small thing but this has been confusing to me that's a big thing has been confusing me because like I was waiting at a train station recently and someone was playing music out of a Bluetooth speaker attached to their backpack just walking around yeah and it drove me nuts no that person's just a fucking ass. But then somebody drove by in a car that had fairly loud music, that didn't bother me. That's interesting because...

That I thought was weird. They both bother me equally. They don't bother me equally. Okay. Let's go in between. What about someone with their Bluetooth speaker hanging off of their cycle, their bike, their bicycle? That's the word I was looking for. I feel like that would bother me.

Because I feel like I was trying to unpack this. And I don't know for the cycle. It would be interesting to like have it happen. and then try to evaluate. But the car one to me is it's like it's theoretically their space and it's leaking out of their space. Yeah, but they very clearly don't need it to be that loud in their space. They're literally damaging their hearing and they're making it your problem.

That's true. I also wonder like if their window was open, would that change for me or not? I'm not sure. I don't know. Okay. What if they were in their own house, but their music was so loud that you could hear it inside your own house? This is an interesting one as a condo dweller.

This is the thing that happens. And I generally try to respect it. Because I'm like, you know what? We're all stuck in this big thing together. What if it was detached homes? And you could hear their music clearly. I feel like if it was a event or a movie. Nope.

It's just always. It's like every day. That's pretty annoying. Yeah. But then it might change if this is a garage band. Nope. Okay. We had to go confront this asshole back when we were,

when Brian the electrician and I were filming the installing AC in my attic thing because it was so loud we couldn't film from a house away. And I actually, I probably still have audio of the interaction somewhere. But basically, like, this guy was the biggest piece of garbage ever. Like, as we walked up to the door, the, like, two-year-old, two-to-three-year-old was about to come bolting out. And I, like, there's a road. And I, like, stopped him. And the first thing he says to me is, don't fucking touch my son.

And I'm like, bro, I wouldn't need to if you weren't an utter delinquent. What a way to start a conversation. I'm not saying what you said is that I just, the whole scenario. And, dude, this house was so loud. like when the door was opened we're talking hearing damage for that kid like crazy and he's like I have to have it like this on a DJ I'm like you what so you're the world's first DJ that hasn't heard of a fucking pair of headphones you gotta be kidding me right now they literally have headphones this guy's a piece of work these actually like do it you can turn the cup wild wow wild

I don't I don't think I've had much of a dumber conversation with any like otherwise seemingly coherent functional human being also like man you are not recreating the speaker setup at the club with your home thing if you can get if if you i actually don't know this because i'm i don't partake but if you can get high from secondhand marijuana smoke that kid was probably high like it was intense you can oh okay well there you go man brutal brutal neighbor. I think it has a name. I think it's called Contact High.

I'm sure someone in Phillip in Chat will correct. No. Okay. Yes. Something like that. Yeah. I feel really bad for the kid too. Like,

I can't feel bad for an adult that is just like an idiot and harms themselves. I just don't really care. That's, they're an adult and they have agency. Contact High is psycho? Psychosomatic. Oh, apparently it's fake. Huh. You just think you're high.

Never mind then. I don't know. Denerick says we used to call it hot boxing. Yes, it's a contact high. Well, apparently there is some, there is some disagreement about that. I'm going to consult the sands. The sands say yes. What's the sands?

AI. AI. You got to be kidding me. Okay, let's move on. This guy. I was doing it as a joke. I know, I know. They said washroom.

I was looking for this. I tried bathroom, restroom, all that, sort of stuff. Question for Luke, while Linus is in the washroom, probably. Gen. A.I. is being compared to the Industrial Revolution, short-term disruption with long-term benefits. How much carnage until the good part? So tell me something.

The Industrial Revolution. benefit yes but to everyone no or was the benefit massively in equal and is it in fact worse for people who are on the lower rungs of the social ladder than things were before i'm talking like you're sifting through you know, the shipped off, you know, cadmium infested remains of technology in some place where they're literally just like burning this stuff to get to the precious metals that are in it. Like, the industrial revolution was highly beneficial

to the owner class in the developed world. I'm not convinced that it was necessarily beneficial to every human being on Earth. It's interesting because, like, you could argue a lot of medicines and stuff wouldn't have been possible, really, without more advanced technologies that came from things like the Industrial Revolution.

100%. And those benefited people, but they sure as heck didn't benefit anyone who's not... Disproportionately benefited. Getting access to them. What you described. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Interesting. To more directly address... Oh, no, I wasn't done. Okay, keep going. Gen AI. Same thing. I think that's what we're going to see. I think we're going to see short-term disruption to

inequally to people, and I think we're going to see long-term benefits very unequally to... I'd even wager even more unequally. Possibly. I also think it has an interesting effect. Wendell shared me a meme recently that I couldn't agree with more. Not directly, you know, whatever it's still a meme but um if it would load what discord hello uh anyways it was

something along the lines of like if if the world realized how fast um like local AI is getting extremely good here it is yeah it's a tweet apparently uh if people understood how good local lMs are getting the stock market would crash tomorrow um and it was a response to a tweet that said Anthropic doesn't want you to know, but you can self-host LLM like Quinn and use it in Claude Code for free. There is an interesting side effect of this where the beneficial part for some people is happening now. It's less applicable to some and it's highly applicable to others.

Locally hosting this stuff is expensive and not the easiest thing for everyone to do, but you can also gain access non-locally hosted. That was just kind of an aside. for actually quite cheap and in a lot of cases completely free. And it's enabling this, like I don't remember who was talking about it, but it's there are some comparisons you can make to Renaissance. Knowledge, education, speed of learning, and ability to jump into something from nowhere

and get to a fairly competent point has like never really been easier. Flipside, speed of misinformation and disinformation. For sure. Like, there are. I'm not trying to hide that there are extreme negatives. Right. I'm saying that in some cases there are there are the ability for one person to leverage themselves very highly. I don't think has ever quite been at this level before.

No, I agree. Which is very, very interesting. Some people are already turning that into like highly positive beneficial situations. Overall, what we're doing is enabling the surveillance state. of extreme garbage and slop, massive amounts of surveillance state, because self-hosting is so expensive that you're probably doing it through some other system,

which is harvesting every single thing you've ever typed into it, building profiles on you like we've never seen before, like only wet dreams of early Google. Like there is so much bad, but in almost everything, especially this complicated, there is diamonds in the rough. And there are people that are utilizing this stuff

to extremely beneficial personal, and I mean small, small person degrees. Social mobility is I guess what you're trying to say. Massive amounts of it for specific people who can think of a way to leverage it for themselves positively. But that doesn't change what I said about the benefit being highly unequal. And all-knowing socks says even homeless people have supercomputers in their pockets. The Industrial Revolution came with new problems, but was overall beneficial. but I think you're missing part of what I was saying and yeah

a homeless person in the USA is probably in a better position than that same homeless person in Southeast Asia or India Oh well yeah And like the USA is actually a very small portion of the global population

like I don't know that I don't know that he literally did divide it up like countries yeah people in western countries i don't think necessarily always remember how uh in the minority we are in general um yeah it's going to be a rough uh and frankly all of this i mean we got to keep in mind all of this is coming from the perspective of someone who is much less likely to be harmed by any of this um oh yeah yeah like we're we're gonna be fine we're in a position to leverage AI leverage this revolution

invest capital and benefit from it like it's uh um like when I say this is bad I don't mean bad for me I just I mean bad like generally it's yikes Moolagin which I hope I said correctly said, dude, did I just lose audio? Did you just unplug? Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just fidgeting. Not bad. Said, dude, the people in chili that sort ores in chemical baths for like 20 cents a day, it's absolutely crazy.

Yeah, they are not better off than they would have been in like a more agricultural society 200 years ago. I pretty much promise you that. Yeah. It's weird. But yeah, there are. Man. I'm sorry.

Is it working? There we go. And like the uncontacted people in South America that are getting like mercury poison from illegal gold mines, they're not better off. That makes sense. Yeah. But I mean, I think it's important to see both ends of it at the same time and hold both sides of it in your mind. I think you need to to like have a more accurate perspective on it, I guess. I think you need to recognize the good sides and recognize the bad sides.

there are absolutely ways that it has helped. I think the modern Renaissance version of it is something that shouldn't be ignored even while you can hold and understand the concepts of the negatives that it is also creating. And I mean, BOTS makes a good point. Scholarly papers I've seen on global food security

show it's way better globally than before the Industrial Revolution, as is medicine. And that's fine. But that doesn't change that a generally good thing, can still be worse for some people. And that was the entire point

was that this is not a universal benefit. Like the Industrial Revolution, this is not going to universally elevate people. There are people's lives who will be worse for it. There are also people's lives who will be better for it. And some where it will be much better. But it does seem like this one, this one steers even farther

toward benefiting the haves at the expense of the have-nots and the surveillance one is a huge one that we didn't touch on too much but is a major element of this I don't know that in another 30, 40, 50 years with autonomous tools

for population management and cameras everywhere I don't know that I don't know that I don't know that peasant uprisings will still be possible. I don't know that you'll still be able to overthrow a corrupt dictator. I don't know that it will be possible anymore.

Something makes me want to push forward the indomitable human spirit. I feel like we'd find a way. But I understand what you're saying. I hope so. I still have that hope. There's a lot of, you know, the Gen Z uprisings and stuff. There's a lot of crazy stuff going on right now. Yeah, but...

In big and in a lot of ways, good. But there's no, there's no army of, you know, impervious, you know, robot dogs with AI controlled turrets on them. Hacker bros, dude. Hacker bros. Let's hope for the best. Hacker bros. The hacker bros are goaded. But, like, how are the North Koreans doing, even now?

But that, but that has nothing to do. I mean, they're definitely using. population management tools guarantee you they're using AI yeah it's 100% the wealthy pitting us lessers against each other yeah I mean for sure

well it's the cookie thing there are few truer memes than the cookie meme big time how is that not the first cookie meme Google are you trying to hide this from me I could see cookie monster stuff being shared Oh wow Yeah but still how far do I have to go for this

I'm a little surprise it hasn't shown up yet There we go Top left I don't know what it says but this is the meme Yeah it's basically this Yeah yeah yeah uh yeah uh but anyways yeah uh but anyways yeah it's you know if you can afford i'm once i get my stupid condo to livable again um i'm planning on trying to figure out local hosting

in a big way for a for a wide variety of things um but including local lm and an ai services I don't really want to use public ones much moving forward. I want to shift to that, largely inspired by Wendell. I was already planning on it, but largely inspired by Wendell. And I would highly encourage all of you to explore it. I understand it can be expensive. There are also much cheaper ways to approach it. Used hardware is obviously a good way to go.

the the Mac stuff is very very interesting and if you can't jump in now there's always the possibility that these these big data centers will be updating cards eventually and what you can run now on that level of hardware will be runable in the future on that level of hardware so you might be behind but you'd have at least what we currently have today at your at your usage there was a pretty good little chat message here coordinated carry asks can you name one change with truly universal benefit i'm going to go with open source anyone it harmed had it coming i just got kind of i've got mr torvald's on the mind i can counter that okay counter that

hit me because there's been malware distributed through open source stuff there has been there's i don't think that was open source that i don't think but it enabled it it enabled it but net did it make the life of that person who was infected with malware worse oh that's that's pretty because overall it contributed so much positive to their life too i have to look through some of the some of the cases of open source is a pretty good one um open source or source available that is a good question Walker 161 penicillin yeah penicillin

was pretty dope well where's not exclusive open source never said it was yeah not even a little bit didn't even sort of say that I do indeed like both hot dogs and hamburgers all right insulin insulin was a pretty good argument that was us wasn't it yeah Canadian innovation let's go you're welcome

based base base based based then you sell it for a dollar Something like that. Based. Absolutely based. And yet somehow it still costs a lot of money in some places, ridiculous. Yeah. In spite of our industrial medicine.

Okay, carry on, Dan. Hey, Bigel. Remember when the internet tried spotting your face in computer case reflections back when slick PC kept things secret? Was it all fun or did it ever feel like stalking or doxing? It's kind of hard to even remember about it. I thought it was pretty fun. think I thought it was fun. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we both thought it was pretty fun.

I think so. It's genuinely been, I was talking to lines about this the other day. It's been almost half my life. Because the whole thing was stupid and didn't matter. Like, the only reason for the secrecy was because the original NCIX cameraman didn't and still doesn't want his name out there. And so it started with calling him the cameraman because he didn't want his name used. And then I was like, well, this has become kind of a schick.

for the channel. So now it's just a thing. So you need a nickname because it's Linus and nickname person who's off camera. And then, but it didn't, it never mattered. It wasn't like Luke asking, it wasn't like the cameraman where Luke cared. So it was just for the memes. I also didn't care that I was being hidden either. Like I just didn't care. It got kind of dumb eventually, but eventually. Then we changed it. Yeah. And then it was fine. It just didn't really matter that much in either direction. until it got done. Hey, thanks for your purchase. Hi, DLL.

Hi, DLL. In retrospect, do you have components of Flowplane labs or other development projects? You wish you had gone with a commercial product rather than developing on your own. Thanks for the merch. One of the problems, so I can point at a bunch of stuff on Flowplane and be like, yeah,

but one of the problems was a lot of them didn't exist at the time. Or they might have existed, but their continued existence was very questionable to the point where we even picked something that we went with that still technically exists, but not really and we're somewhat locked into it. Or the existence seemed solid, but it was very expensive.

Or that. Like there was always a reason for doing things the way that we did. Yeah. It didn't stay reasonable always. Yeah. And there's some stuff that we will still probably pivot off eventually. There's some stuff that we already have. And that'll keep changing over time. But like, I think the initial decisions made along the path were, we're very reasonable considering

the knowledge we had at the time. I understand that's not the question that you're asking. You're saying in retrospect, but yeah, at the time the decisions were made, there was usually not an option that made more sense. If we could have snapped our fingers and known that certain systems were going to remain or that certain systems would have had very effective price decreases or whatever. There's a couple changes. It would be pretty sick to, actually, I mean, it's been pretty good for a while now. But we went through a lot of trials and tribulations with transcoding.

Our current system is pretty dope. Transcoding all the backlogs for the sauce plus stuff while also transcoding like Jeff Geerling's backlog upload. all at kind of like the same time and no one noticed and it was like really fast and very parallelized was sick it was very cool to like do that

sort of on our own we talked about this I think last week but we have auto generated AI generated closed captions on automatic automatic ones on float plane now we're doing the compute on that

that is whisper sorry yes yeah but we're not we are doing the it's running like on our stuff. Yeah, and like, that's cool. Yes. I like, I like, do it's, yeah, anyways.

So yeah, I don't know. For the lab, uh, what, what exactly was the question? Was there something you would use a commercial solution? Well, you weren't involved in a lot of the early decisions. Yeah, so I wouldn't. So I'm sure he'd do it differently, but that doesn't necessarily mean that, um, Luke sort of made a mistake or whatever, or even that it was a mistake. It's just everyone has a different philosophy.

Yeah. All right, Dan, hit me. Hi, LLD. I got to go to IBM's Future of Tape event. And... Jesus, tape. Well... And see their development...

Future of 8 track. Sure. No, tape is... We're doing nine. Tape is legit. I know. Don't make fun of tape, man. And see their development lab for physical and virtual tape.

Virtual tape? Hard drives. Insanely cool. What is virtual tape? Would Enterprise tape? be interesting enough for an LTT video I have a guy we've done some videos on tape

I don't know what more there would be to say other than yep here's the new generation tape and it's more denser so we did we did this a number oh my god that was seven years ago we got a $5,500 tape drive

and you look so baby I know right and and this is it it's Thunderbolt go figure and I think we still have it somewhere um I don't know that it's changed enough that I would have anything new to say about it in the last seven years it's it's faster and more denser but if I'm missing something here please let me know okay virtual tape is interesting actually IBM TS 7700 virtual tape library 4.2 petabytes for high

performance workloads uh looks like that which is sick um the new ibn ts 7780 virtual tape library the latest in the generation operates it at disk or SSD speeds while maintaining and this is the part what made it make sense compatibility with existing tape operations okay so it's just not tape but it like acts like it so if you have systems that are expecting tape type operations it will work okay 46 petabytes of capacity delivered in an easy to use,

easy to service IBM Diamondback tape library that thing no no that's the tape one huh is that not what this is talking about that's the actual tape

as well as IBM Storage Deep Archive Ah okay cool yeah uh all right yeah neat cool I've never once used tape stuff

I've always thought it's very fast It's very cool. Yeah. And I've said everything I have to say about it, I think. Nice. At some point, I wonder if we should just wipe the channel and start over. No. Why not?

But I think you should effectively do that in regards to video creation. Like just remake videos. I don't think there's a reason to delete your evergreen. But I do think it is sometimes ridiculous to be like, we can't make a video on that. We've made it before. Nine years ago, as if like that really matters, I don't, I don't think that makes sense. My, and I do think we should recreate videos if they're beyond like a certain time threshold because it's all about the, the notification and stuff, right? Like for a lot of people, they're not going to search up a lot of these things.

They're looking for you to tell them. And if you don't release a video on it now, you have not told them. I think it's totally reasonable. I'll think about it. Hit me, Dan. L and L. All the Steam News resurfaced the old WAN show episode with the legendary Total Biscuit as guest. Headline topic was OG Steam Controller. That Brit is still missed.

What was it like having him on? That was fun. Yeah, I didn't really know him before that, and we didn't really interact much after that, and that's no longer an option, unfortunately. but yeah he was definitely uh definitely a i'd say one of our more outstanding guests what was it like having him oh it's sorry dyslex it on to out and i was like he didn't come up here my bad also we're um what looks like 25 videos away from 7000 that's dumb that's a good time to quit i think it's because no it's too many it's becoming a funky thing where dan's trying to figure

out API calls and analytics, and we want to, like, call analytics from all of our videos. There's a lot of API calls. So we're, like, smashing into the quota cap, and we're talking to YouTube, be like, we have across our channels, 13,216 videos. Oh, yeah, just pull analytics on that all the time. Too many time to quit. I pull every two hours, so that's 160,000 API calls a day. Okay, am I allowed to quit once I get to over 9,000 on the LTT channel?

ISO 9,001 delete channel? Then is my power level high enough? I feel you can take a sabbatical. I could take a sabbatical. I've earned that at that point. Okay. I'll keep that in mind. Hi, LGS, LLNDB.

How important is digital high? hygiene for you, starting with deleting old items from download folders and continuing with removing unnecessary test policies as IT admins. If it's something I use frequently, very important to me. Like, my desktop is clean, I think. Hold on. Let me check. You probably just don't show it, right? Desktop hide? No, you do show it. Oh, no, it's nasty. It's not clean. Okay, that's not nasty. I've seen a lot worse yeah i have look at that i have like icons there and they're not even like it is less than what i would have expected from you uh you know what i haven't been using this laptop for that long

my desktop at home though like my my desktop i would expect that to be very immaculate yes um and like i don't care about my downloads folder because sometimes it can be convenient to grab something that i downloaded before i also don't care about my downloads folder but it's like one of the only spots my media folders very clean adhere to standard naming conventions i use filebot i think is what it's called to like make sure that it's all right and stuff um so yeah it just depends it depends how often i use it if i don't use it very often like oh my god like i still had my ub key active as a two f a even though i hadn't used it in like nine years or something like that until vance finally removed it like two weeks ago after i was like talking about

how ridiculous it was on Land Show. Ubiki Bio is really cool. Someone linked that to me. Ubiki Bio? Yeah. You're going to look at it. I didn't know they did this. I think it's pretty sick.

Oh, it's expensive. It's cool, though. Sure is. Jeez. It's like $130 each. Yep. Well, whatever, sure, fine. But yeah, bio-authenticated.

Cool. Pretty sick. Makes sense, not surprised they went that route? Yeah, kind of makes more sense than the other one. Yeah. Here's the thing I have, and I'm me. Boom. Yeah, I like that.

All right, what's up? Linus, last week he said, no is lame. Yes, and but is Gula. What's the best no you've given out? I don't know. I would have said Christmas album, but I finally caved last week.

No, you caved to a new Christmas album. You still said no to the old Christmas album. No, that's true. So it doesn't count. No, I didn't. He said yes and only if Riley does a cooler one and only if that one is only a digital download. Yeah, okay.

So, yeah, I tried to find a way eventually. Yeah. Because what if I said no about? I mean, what am I a no on? oh yeah you yes handed me on that one but i didn't like it i want to make a labs channel but i have been told no because i need a content schedule for it and i'm currently refusing to do that oh okay i think those are both reasonable things i actually didn't say no content schedule for the labs channel is reasonable i don't know if it makes sense hmm i understand that

makes it difficult to sell for. I totally understand. And if we don't sell for it, it will not make money. My thing is right now we're just making articles, which are awesome, but we can just turn the articles into videos. And no, they're not, not every article is like LTT quality, which is fine and never been the goal. And to be clear, we're not saying that's not quality.

I mean, depth is more. Or clickability or whatever, however you want to call. I just thought quality was not the right word. I think they're really good quality. No, totally. quality is incorrect word but we're not going to get a million views on the 40 watt dynamic power adapter and iPhone 17 charging article I think it's sick though and I actually think a lot more people should know about it because it's a cool it's a cool it's very cool article the conclusion taught me things I liked it I don't think I'm actually the one who said no anyway or yes and might be right I think I think I think I

I think I So if you're trying to do an end around right now I'm not I'm not getting involved No no no I'm not Okay Linus town It's been a while since I asked I think I have asked

Linus town I'm not saying no I'm saying it's stupid It's impossible The end The end is I don't have the fucking money for it Yet I don't actually have unlimited money This may surprise you Sounds like we're gonna get there Given the way that I behave

Loans are a thing buying fire trucks like how many kidneys do you have you have children we just got to get you to that beyond 9000 videos and we'll get there i mean i wouldn't even want to live in the town that's the real problem i don't think it's necessary that's stupid nope how can i run a cult if i'm not actually there you just need a really really really tall tower outside of the town how does gaben run steam from a yacht sorry from a yacht he gets it see there's the yes and we get him a yacht yeah but why are we not doing it you're not giving a proper and

you're not playing by your own rules well we just discovered that he would do it if there was a yacht so now we have the and let's move on okay cultists yes if you will be responsible for raising the money to purchase the town and I will do nothing but reap benefits from it then yes Linus town approved now he's thinking like a cult leader

I like this good job okay up next before we moved to Taiwan that wasn't no that was I don't want to and therefore no that sounds like a pretty cool no though uproot your entire life it's a good idea but no

I think I understand what you're trying to do with this whole don't say no say yes and thing but it's also like extremely toxic at certain times I heard back from the head robot leaked the DM well earned so I've got approval

that's so cool retroactive approval I know how are they so cool in general you want to be an enabler who enables the people

around you that's all I'm trying to get across I know I understand your point I understand your point but just like when people say

everyone you jump after them because you're like not actually everyone it's the same thing In general, you'll want to be an enabler. Not like Megan Kelly. Don't enable that.

All right. Well, there's a fairly recent controversy. I don't know who. Don't worry about it. Do worry about it, actually. Do worry about this. Okay, Dan, hit me. Sure.

Hey, LLD. Linus or Slick. If enough floaters, the wanted a VR version of float. plane would you do it what would a VR version of float plane be wouldn't it just be watching videos in a browser in your VR headset

I think you have it already I mean I played float plane in the Apple Vision Pro but I think what their meaning is like uh like 360 video no you can turn your hit it's a dead meme yeah it is for sure a dead meme

yeah definitely not enough people want it and we're hey we're doing we're doing what we're doing Well, we can to give people what they do want right now, okay? We're focused on that. All right. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a no, actually. That's a no, and here's the reasons. The reasons are that you care and no one else. And I'm sorry that it has to be like that. But the question was, if enough did. You're not being very yes and right now, Linus. If enough did, we'd do it, of course. There you go.

Yeah. They definitely don't, though, and never will. So. there's that there's that caveat oh yeah I don't who do you think will be in the NHL play A

Calgary Flames fan ATP 2 I don't know what any of that means you neither is that a gambling thing maybe play A no idea is that a thing do they mean playoffs no idea

oh okay well uh but next play Alberta Play A? It sounds like it's gambling, maybe. Disney, Lucasfilm, and Moomoo. Linus, did you ever see the live action How to Train Your Dragon? Will you visit the theme park in Florida?

I proposed to girlfriend in front of Toothless there a few weeks ago. She counterproposed. I'll go to the theme park. I made it about 30% of the way through the live action, How to Train Your Dragon. The original animated film is perfect. And the live action one is like a weird fun house mirror reflection of perfect. They did stay very true to it.

And if it brings a new generation of people into, you know, thinking how to train your dragon and the sort of general message behind it of seeing past our differences, even though we're enemies and all of that kind of cool stuff, I think it's a really cool story. You know, if it does that, then that's great. I am a fan, but I didn't personally have any use for it because the original was already a perfect film. My award. Yeah, what is this exactly?

I've received an award. He's talking, but he doesn't, it's not talking into a mic. Is it another Billy Billy plaque? That's my guess. I'm throwing a guess out there. That's my guess. You're throwing a guess. A Billy Billy plaque?

No, we already have a silver and a gold. Oh. I'm getting an award Well, I mean Luke doesn't need to be here for this then It's fine No, no, I'm kidding You go on your camera, they might be able to see it better

No, I'm just meming. Okay They can see it after me. What is this? Actually, what is it? It's a Linus Media Group What is this? what yeah what Linus Media Group

Brand Impact Award for hold on what is it for outstanding influence amplifying GLI net's worldwide presence

oh no I did know about this they invited us to an event and to to present it and I said regrettably we can't make it

we did that We did that sponsored video with them recently. I mean, they make cool stuff. I don't know. Upgrading Natalie's house. Cool. I didn't know that I get an award for doing a sponsored video. You know, they know they already paid me, right? For the sponsored video.

I mean, getting award is also cool. I mean, I don't mind awards. Honestly, I think you should give me an award every time you pay me. You want me to give you an award every time? No, no. Wait, every time I pay you. Yeah, I'd also have to give you an award. No?

Yes, and. if you hold on I'm thinking I'm thinking I was going to say something like if you went sort of beyond the call of duty but he really does he's great how can I justify

not giving him an award every time I pay him huh maybe I should I'll tell you what here's what it'll be it'll be in the form of a monthly No, a monthly budget on LTTStore.com and occasional random LTTStore.com things.

That's how we'll do it. Nice. Yeah. Conveniently, we already do that. Isn't it a yearly budget? Yeah, but it could be broken up by 12. Being on Wandshow, you also end up with a lot of extras. I do.

I have no complaints. You know, there is a company that you and I both visited recently that I figured out what their merch budget is. Is it good? it's definitely lower than ours oh really oh oh is this company does how do we not name them yeah and like i don't think we would ever name this yeah i don't think we should name them yeah but yeah that you know we actually have a pretty generous merch budget i realize that like we actually do try to not be a shi place to work told them ours while we were having that conversation and they were like whoa and i didn't tell them the

host one. Because the host one's higher. It has to be because you're going to need stuff that you have when you're on camera. Like it just, it has to be higher. It makes sense. I told them the like normal one. Yeah. Anyways. We had this as a bit of a topic earlier. Hello, LLD. With the current RAM prices rising due to AI demand, do you think now is a good time to upgrade? What are the long term effects of AI infrastructure on consumer grade hardware prices? Long term will be okay. If anything, it'll drive it down because they're going to build. up massive capacity and the bubble will, at the very least, deflate, probably burst. And the use market traditionally has actually benefited from large infrastructure expenditure.

As for now being a good time to upgrade, probably I don't, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. But that's not financial advice. Hey, Luke, sharing the love of all things, NASA. Have you ever seen a launch in person? I also, for a short time, got to work with NASA Huntsville. by a vendor-customer relationship. When did you get to see a launch in person?

One time. I thought you missed it on like a thing recently. I thought this was like another sore point. There was a really cool one that I missed. Oh, that's what I was thinking of. This was a really random one. But when AJ and I were down there for the threat locker conference. Oh, so this is recent then.

Yeah, we took off to go check out NASA. And as we were pulling up, there was one, I was like checking my news the whole time because you know there would only be specific times that we could go yeah and we thought we had missed it because we thought it had gone like the night before I think but there was some delay and it made it happen that day and then we couldn't go right away because we were doing stuff but by the time we could go we were like rolling up into the parking lot like when it was happening and we ran to this like corner where we could see it so we hadn't even entered yet nice we were and we uh technically

walked into the employee parking lot just confidently and got to a corner sorry got to a corner where we could see you better and we actually got like a pretty decent vantage point we ended up seeing like where a lot of people would watch it from the actual like kind of park thing that they have and our spot was like actually pretty solid um I'm really hoping to see one of the Artemis launches eventually a starship would be really cool sometime this was just more of like a fairly small somewhat routine thing that just happened to be going off the day the amount of rockets they're launching like all the time now is pretty wild so yeah um but then we promptly exited the i believe employee only parking area and entered the park properly and then had a good time that's great Hi, LLD. Never knew I needed a hackable arch-based VR headset until Valve announced one. Any cool ideas considering you could almost certainly do anything with it? Also, did it have a desktop mode?

I don't believe anything would prevent you from running desktop mode on it on a giant screen. For me, I think the biggest, the biggest use case this unlocks for me for VR is travel with my laptop. I am like stoked to play full fat PC VR games with a laptop with like an EGPU and my VR headset that all packs into like my commuter bag. That's crazy. Absolutely wild. I really enjoy the idea of this thing being portable. That's, yeah. I'm for sure getting one basically.

Kind of depends on price, I guess. And we both know. But I'm intending on it. We both know the quest lineup exists, but I don't think either of us has ever felt particularly compelled to go meta for our VR needs. I have been fairly strongly turned off from that. Yeah. What was the product, your own or third party that you knew about early

that you found the hardest to keep secret? Oh. Oh, man, there's, oh, man. The hardest to keep secret. I don't actually find out about third-party stuff that early and I don't keep secrets very well for our own developments

I think that's part of the marketing strategy at this point probably the one that I struggled the most on was our battery bank which we have alluded to but not really talked about much yet but it's been in development for I think over two years now and for a long time I really didn't talk about it because the the product itself was not particularly well defined like we had um you know an idea of what we wanted to try to achieve and we've achieved a lot of that but not all of it and so we wanted to make sure that we weren't setting people's expectations too high it's getting pretty close to the point where I can start talking about it in more detail but yeah I'd say holding back a ton of That has been really challenging.

Yes, we're getting triple C. Ugh. You mentioned on last WAN show that Google killed the nest and a project was started. I created it and open-sourced it. Appreciate the shout-out. Also, Google was still sending logs

from those devices. Shout out Cody K. Absolutely sick, assuming you are actually the person who did it and you're not just taking credit, but probably, and probably you're honest but super cool and yeah

why does that not surprise me at all like I yeah shocked shocked I say well actually not that shocked like it's you shut off my functionality but yes still want my data really that's so cool if this person's the person

who did that that's so sick enjoy your RGB sweater yeah hell yeah For both hosts, for your main gaming rig, are you team red or team blue for prock and why? Red? Well, yeah, obviously. Been red for a while. Yep.

Better red than dead. Better dead than red? I don't know. It's rough over there right now, man. I hope they figure it out. I hope so, too. A strong intel is good for the industry. Yeah.

Last one I got for you tonight So, LLD, I love your zipper hoodies So I'd never pass up the red WAN hoodie But I was a big fan of orange Hope to see that again one day Also, what happened to the pajama pants? They were great They didn't sell that well. I love them too.

I love my LTT pajama pants I only got one pair and I wish I had more I don't know that we'll do an orange The red is selling really well and after many long sometimes surprisingly intense conversations like we have passionate people here and they can be passionate about everything design color you know fit materials right like the reason our products are good is because people care but when people care you can have strong opinions and you can have clashes and it's not like we have like the kind of culture where people would like

yell at each other or be mean to each other or whatever but i've had some some very opinionated conversations with particularly Bridget, who's head of fashion, and, you know, she felt very strongly that having some red and some orange wan products was really confusing. And so we debated whether we should even be able to launch a red WAN hoodie when we still have an orange WAN backpack, for instance and she made very good points about how that kind of confuses what when branding means and i made very good points about how oh my god we can't hope to sell out all of the desk pads and all of the backpacks and all of the everything before we can like launch one product we want to get it out there and find out if people are going to even receive this red thing uh at all or

if we're going to have to go back to orange anyway and then we wiped out all of inventory for nothing and then made a big bet on red everything for nothing um so everyone had really good points and what we settled on was okay i agree with you that it needs to not be confusing you're a hundred percent right but the business needs us to test this before we can commit full hog and i think at this point she's one that red works and it's time to go full hog and once we do that then I think she's right that WAN can't just be random colors. It has to mean something. And now I think it's going to mean red and gray and black.

What? Chat has a very interesting point. A lot of people in chat have a very interesting point. Does WAN have an after dark sub-brand? No, I think our monochrome brand is still stealth. We haven't used it much lately. Oh. Interesting. I could be open to that. it's a genuinely really interesting idea the after dark hoodie i could get it i could yeah i could get behind that it's just interesting that we can throw purple into the brand mix very logically

short circuit has it too short circuit's um is it's predominantly purple isn't it it's a mix right yeah it's got it's got it's got a variety of short circuit I like that Dan just said short circuit Nothing else I mean they're purple yeah They are their main color Their main color is purple they do They're like a bunch of stuff though

Mm-hmm Orange pink purple white Yeah, teal dark blue All right yellow All right after dark hooty I feel like an after dark hoodie might actually be really sick Just saying After Dark pants too

Asless chaps What pants do we have right now that could be after darked All right? Scheduled for Monday morning and excuse me sorry with that I think it's time to say

good night and have a wonderful weekend we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel almost five hours bye that's crazy

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