The WAN Show - The Xbox News Looks Really Bad - WAN Show June 19, 2026

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But it does have to start with some bad news. Remember some of the trepidation that we had about Xbox's new leadership? Well, it looks like things were going pretty good for a bit. And then a boom, rug pull. Back to the bare floor trepidation we had before. Things are not looking good over there right. now with rumors of potential studio closures or divestments or even spinning off Xbox entirely from Microsoft.

There's some good news this week, though. Illinois may become the first U.S. state to ban drivers from wearing smart glasses. Seems like a smart move. What else we got? The Steam Workshop was used to spread malware and stop killing games. It was ruled against. Okay. Those are choices.

The show is brought to you today by Off Manager Nexus, Cape, Red Tiger, and Motion Gray, alongside our rap partner D-brand, and our chair partner, Razor, and also our laptop partner, also Razor. Why don't we jump right into the Microsoft stuff? I wouldn't even normally necessarily be 100%

on talking about this, I personally feel that rumor mill stuff is best addressed once the rumors go away and the actual stuff happens. But there's been a lot going on at Microsoft this week. The information reported on Friday that Microsoft is even weighing options regarding Xbox's future that could include a potential spin-off, restructuring it as a wholly owned subsidiary like LinkedIn. and GitHub, or as some kind of a joint venture. The word on the street is, things are not doing too good right now. Ninja Theory, compulsion games, double fine are just a few of the studios that are either closing or rumored to be closed or they could be searching for a buyer.

Satya Nadella has approved Asher Sharma's plan to focus on successful franchise. like Halo, Fallout, and the Elder Scrolls. Now, this was not even something that I read online, which, of course, you know, is credible when you read something online. This was something that someone internally said that they heard from people and was just chatting with me about. But what I heard from a person, some person, is that as far as they know at Bethesda,

If you're not working on Fallout or Elder Scrolls, you might as well just forget about having a job right now. None of this has actually been announced. I don't think there's been any internal memos confirming any kind of mass layoffs or anything like that. But I guess what I'm trying to figure out right now, Luke, is fucking why. If you're not working on Fallout or Elderskills thing is interesting, because I can't imagine there's a huge team working on

like continued DLC for Starfield. The why in regards to shutting down studios? I honestly have no idea, especially if, like if they're trying to push for... No, no, no. Hold on. I want to go back farther than that. Sure. Why did they spend all these billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars? shut them down. Buying,

buying gaming companies that by all accounts were apparently doing well enough that they were worth billions and billions of dollars only to turn around and go, well, what's going on here? Why are we investing so many billions of dollars? What's that? Yeah, it's, this has never made sense to me.

The weirdest thing to me is they're not even the only ones doing it. I don't remember the name of the other company, but there's another company that just keeps buying up gaming studios and shutting them down. I don't get the point. Never understood the point. I bet you chat's going to point it out.

Not 10 cent, no. Embracer Group. Yeah. Embracer just... What a name. Right? Yeah. What's that meme called?

Is that the hug meme? Studios has Embrace. Embracer group shut down. Let's see. That's an AI overview. Nice. Solid. Embracer Group quietly canceled 29 unannounced games and shut seven studios within six months last year.

Like this is an article from Games Radar. What kind of a business model is that? This is my point. It's like, what are you doing? And they're super known for buying studios. And then they just, yeah, they shut down an incredible amount of said studios that they bought. and I just, it just, I don't understand the point.

And it's not just Embracer and it's not just Microsoft. This is like a thing. And, you know, I saw some comment it's already gone so I can't see it, but it's like, oh, it's competitive, whatever, whatever. Dude, there is so many games out there.

And like most of these massive studios are mostly getting destroyed by small, I guess some of the studios that are being bought are small studios, but you're not getting wrecked by the like, double A's, which is maybe where you could consider, like, Larian. Larian, yeah. You're not getting the, I don't know, I'm just trying to think of, like, what, what, like,

you think double fine is going to reduce the sales of Halo? Like, I don't understand the competitive advantage of buying double fine and then shutting it down. And I think they've had double fine for a while, so that's not a great example. But, like, I don't see it in the games industry, buying, acquiring these companies and shutting them down as a way to actually. make your games look more attractive because there's just so many games. You're not going to accomplish the goal of shutting down enough studios to actually reduce

the volume of new games hitting like these various platforms. I mean, in fairness, what has double fine done lately? Psychonauts 2 was a while ago. Let's have a look. It's just an actual legitimate question. So here's a few things. They were always a like Smaller

Quite old. Psychonauts 2. Okay. Is this in, is this in order? What is Kiln? Is Kiln new? Oh yeah, okay.

This is apparently brand new. How many people are playing Kiln right now? Double Fine is a, they're a other developer. I thought they were a publisher, actually. Mm-hmm. Okay, mostly positive. 136 people

that's not a lot of reviews how do I how do I hmm am I shoot oh yeah I guess I can't I guess I can't find it oh no you can just see the 100 most played hmm well I doubt with a hundred reviews that it's anywhere on here

oh wait is it I hate it when it does this one of one It found it. Where? Yeah. And I can't... Doesn't actually jump to it.

Doesn't actually jump to it and or it's not actually here. I can't tell what I'm looking at here. The craziest part to me is that it's like... It's probably your search. Because it's in your Steam search as well. That makes sense. Yep, there it is. Nice.

Nice. Nice spot. The thing that kills me too is like I don't even... I don't even... I don't even... I can understand. understand why they might look at the current climate and go, yeah, sorry, why are we even bothering to develop new games at all?

Most played games in the top 10. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight free to plays. And of the paid games, one of them is like a new sort of viral meme game that is $5. Task Bar Hero, I'm assuming, is an idle game, which is one. why it's showing up on her most played. And it's probably, I've never even heard of this game before. I'm assuming you get like rare card things. And it's just like that banana game that we found.

Mixed reviews. Free to play desktop companion idler. Yep, there you go. So like, whatever. I don't know if that counts. So basically everyone's just playing CounterStrike, Dota 2, PubG, and, uh... 5M is GTA 5. And Bongo Cat, another idler.

Yeah, 5M is GTA5. Yep. Yikes. Kieln was apparently a hackathon project made by like eight people. Oh, okay. Yeah. Online multiplayer brawler

where teams of colorful sprites sculpted ceramic battle armor on a pottery wheel. Whoa. Mm-hmm. What's up? I'm getting some mixed information on Kieln, but it sounds like it was a fairly small team. Um, yeah.

I mean, in the, in the context of, it has a hundred reviews, though, does it probably even matter how small the team was? Yeah,

but like, I wonder how big the team at Double Fine even is. I don't know. I can't, I see, I see you, I,

honestly, I think that's, oh, man, how do you, how do you deal with that? So you've got a relatively small team in the grand scheme

of how big this business is. This business unit is not, not hitting its targets overall. But like it feels like to go after these, these relatively small projects when, I mean, realistically, you know,

one of the biggest failures at Microsoft, from a gaming standpoint over the last 10 years, has got to be Halo Infinite. Like, more like Halo Infinite fail. Like the amount of money that they put into that, um, it would eclipse whatever Double Fine has spent,

making every game that Double Fine has, made probably ever. And I mean in fairness that that unit has been also not left intact. I don't know man is I think even as recently as last week last WAN show we were feeling good about

the things that Asha Sharma was saying the things that Xbox was doing in her defense I don't even know how much this is her idea. It's very clear that Satcha Nadella is super down with this vision, and I suspect this may have been passed down to a certain degree. Because he's been fairly vocal about like, yes, do this, please.

Yeah. And he's also been pretty vocal about that Microsoft has profit margin targets, and either we hit them or they're over. Yeah. But that's a tough one when you're trying to win your way back into people's living rooms. It makes you wonder about what political, like, Game of Thrones level stuff is happening at a company like Microsoft where Phil Spencer's out, new CEO with an AI background rather

than a gaming background is in, a bunch of public statements are made about like, rah, rah, rah, let's go Microsoft. We're going to rejuvenate this business unit. And then immediately after that, the rumors start swirling. Head chop. That they're basically going to like pull the plug on it, essentially, is what it kind of seems like they're doing. And then, like, did she, did she just get, did she just get sacrificed? Was it, was, like, was she not, and I don't know that.

I don't know that. Was this and it was, are they trying to, like, get rid of her? I actually can't tell. Because how could you possibly hope to execute on the like the vision that they seem to have for the Xbox brand of exclusive content if your first party studios are on the

auction block? Can somebody answer that for me? Yeah. It's tough because that's another thing is like I've never heard of Kieln before. So I've been sitting here kind of trying to go down a journey of dodging the AI overview and learning things about it. And it feels like a very Xbox first title.

Like I know you looked up the Steam stats, but there might be more playing it, more people playing it. Four in game for Kieln right now. What does that even mean? What does that mean? Fish Ladd said four in game for Kieln. Are you like looking for servers or something? It says it's a pottery brawler. So is it like a fighting game?

Yeah. But apparently I'm finding some mixed information because I found like, okay, it means four people are playing. Yeah, but how do they know that? Yeah, but it's not, it originally only launched on Xbox. I don't think it originally even launched on Steam. So like the Steam information is not necessarily that interesting to me. Right. I don't know how accurate it is.

Yeah, Steam to be. Yeah, so that doesn't matter. I don't think the four people on Steam or whatever is like. I mean, it tells us a little bit. If it got kind of viral, you know, on Xbox, last I checked, they're not selling a lot of Xboxes. Yeah.

So, you know, maybe people would have played it on PC since it is available there. But yeah, it seems, yeah, it seems like not many people are playing that. So that's unfortunate. And this came out. Oh, yikes. Yeah, this came out like less than two months ago.

Uh, chart on the left. Oh, whoops, whoops, there we go. So, oh boy. Maximum. So it peaked at 193 players. Not a ton. So it pretty much doesn't matter how small the team was that worked on this. If you hit a peak of 193 players, that was probably not a success.

Well, here's the other interesting part. Yeah. Is, you know, how long ago did you say it came out? Less than two months ago. So early development started in 2019. Yeah, that was my reaction to that. Apparently, Kieln started as a project under Double Fines Amnesia Fortnite, which is an internal game jam.

That was in 2017. But it was, yeah, why did it take so long? The answer is simple. His team was pulled into other projects while they're working on Kieln. Right. So Kieln was like a side project B project type thing while they're working on other stuff. It wasn't until after Psychonauts 2 was done that the developers could really start working on other stuff. And then that's when Kielm came out.

All right. So here we go. How did Psychonauts 2 do? Here's Double Fine. Anything developed by Double Fine. So Kielm overall positive reception, but 2,800 follows and four online with the peak of 193. The previous year they had Keeper, which peaked at 191 and currently has two people online. Psychonauts 2, yeah, people are still playing that.

This is an order of magnitude, bigger game than Kieln in terms of follows. Has people still playing it today. Peaked at 7,000. So the last time that Double Fine released something somewhat relevant was five years ago. Keeper is also a single player game. I think being able to be done with a game is okay. Psychonauts 2 is also a single player game. And it's still being played more.

Yeah, it's obviously a way bigger title though. Yeah. And well, no, that's what I'm trying to say, though, is these two are, well, it peaked at 191 though. Like people were done with it before they were ever playing it. Yeah. Yeah, both of these two were just absolute flops. As far as I can tell.

I don't know if that's a good metric. Yeah, especially when they're Xbox first. So people with GamePass are getting them for free. I don't know how much that impacts things and blah blah, blah. Is there any way to look up metrics for Xbox stuff? I doubt it. Not that I'm aware of. But I think if your game isn't like a complete banger

and it's Xbox first, it's going to be really hurt on other platforms. Well, the thing is, like, if your game's not a complete banger, you're basically kind of boned these days. From what I've heard, game development is very much like, Twitch streaming, where the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of the money is made by the handful of projects that just absolutely rocket ship. And most titles that are released on Steam do not make any money, essentially. And so, I mean, I'm looking at this going, like, even if this was a hundred times as

successful on Xbox. If you have a peak number of players of... Actually, I know 20,000 would be pretty good. Except that if most of those were on Game Pass, which is your subscription service anyway, that's not incremental revenue, how many people work at Double Fine? 100. Something like that.

Not cheap roles either. Yeah. Dude, I... I think... This is tough. This is tough. Because it's like a... It's a, I love psychonauts, you know.

And I think that, I think this is one of those things that's like extremely emotional for people. Oh, yeah. Like, when we don't have all the information, but I think what we... We're fairly severely lacking in information, I think. But what I think we do know is that it's clearly been undermanaged for a really long time. And I think what's frustrating for me is that they finally made the changes at the top in what looked like an attempt to, address this and now I feel like we're kind of getting rub pulled on it there I think that's the best way that I can summarize what's frustrating about what we're hearing right now is it was like hey

we're going to turn it around and we're like yeah let's support that and it's like oh actually no psych we're going to do the same thing by doing what we've done before we were doing before burn everything down yeah I just I look at something like psychonauts which again Xbox first I see overwhelmingly positive reviews yeah 8300 reviews though, and I've seen multiple people in Floopplane chat point out, I played Psychonauts 2, I loved it, I played it on Game Pass. One of the problems that I have with that is you lose traction on other platforms. Yeah.

So it does super well on Xbox. On Game Pass specifically. It's not going to have the traction of the reviews and the amount of people playing and everything else to make it rise up on something like Steam. So it's like, we've talked a few other times about, you know, two ignorant dudes who've never made a game have talked about how, in my opinion, it can be very bad for you to be a part of these Game Pass type subscriptions, as if I know anything, but still, because it can really hurt you on these other platforms. You just don't get that interaction. I wouldn't even be surprised

if someone had the stats on this, I'd be really interested. I wouldn't be surprised if people were less likely to interact with things like reviews and comments if it's a game that came for free in their game pass. is they're just filtering through stuff they have. They're not as, you mentioned it's very emotional. They're not as emotionally invested if they didn't spend the 80 Canadian or whatever it is American or whatever it is wherever you're from on the game. You're not as invested, literally.

I am way more invested, literally, in stuff that I paid a lot of money for. Yeah. Way more. Or spent a lot of time on, like in order to achieve it. In this case, time equals money, right? So, like, let's take something like my, my, my mom. motorbike, which is finally done. I'm way more invested in that paint job.

Even though it didn't necessarily, it did cost money. But even if it didn't, like, the fact that I've invested my time, which is, you know, equal to, like, my value, right? I've put that into it. I love it more for having put all of that energy into it. And so in the same way, when I, you know, when I was a kid and I saved up and I bought a game, I wanted to like it and I wanted other people

to like it too with me and that was exciting and emotional whereas no I I would not be and again I also I'm not a psychologist I haven't studied this but I would not be surprised if somebody just playing something

that's there it's in front of them it's in their game pass subscription without investing that money in the acquisition of it or having that anticipation, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they were not as evangelical about how great it is and didn't create as much word of mouth. Yeah. Yeah. I think that can hurt it a lot.

Like, I think that can hurt it in ways that I can't understand. I imagine it can hurt it in ways that basically nobody can understand. But, like, this is just such a well-reviewed. game. I mean, Seckonauts 2 was before Microsoft acquired them though.

So the only reason I brought it up was because I had to go back that far to find a relevant double-fine game as far as I can tell. Microsoft purchased

the studio in 2019. Yeah, so they developed that completely before Microsoft acquired them. Oh yeah, they published it afterwards,

but yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they published it like two years later. So they haven't developed and released and released. Well, they released it on Steam two years later.

It might have been released earlier than that, actually. That's another thing. That's something I was thinking about with Kiln is like, when did it end up getting released on? Because like, man, man, I'm tangenting too much. But, you know, GTA6 is not coming out on PC right away. Sure isn't. GTA6 will still be massively popular when it finally hits PC.

I don't think every game gets that. I think a lot of games have their hype. cycle? Kieln was a simultaneous release. Oh, it was. Okay. Damn. That's, yeah.

Nope, it just didn't resonate. Ooh, that's not good. But I do think, like, if something is released into GamePass first and then you have that hype cycle, then you try to have two hype cycles by having it released on PC or wherever else, Sony, whatever it is later on. Oh, we've seen that so many times. It hurts it a lot. We've seen that so many times.

I mean, hardware companies try to do the same thing. Like, you think back to, I forget what GPU it was, but Nvidia tried to have. have a like an announcement embargo and then a like a specs embargo and then an unboxing embargo and a review embargo or something like that. I think it was either three or four separate embargoes that were anywhere from like a week to two weeks apart where they were trying to like create this massive extended hype cycle and I remember just telling them like no we're not doing this. Like I'm not going to I'm not going to just oh I'm not going to just like open the box and not be able to, because there were, there were things that I would have needed to be

able to say in order to even give an informative unboxing of it that I, that I wasn't able to, and they seem to have mostly backed off that, or at least it's hard to tell, because when was the last time they launched a GPU? It doesn't happen very often. Yeah. Like, I saw, you know, the Google News feed on your phone. I saw something came through that was like the highly anticipated box art for GTA6. And I remember it felt like, we finally have a first look at the highly anticipated box art for GTSX and I was like man I'm so sorry for whoever had to write this article for one I think you mean the AI agent that generated the article but sure but also like again I'm coming back to like just not every game gets this they are genuinely probably like the one

I don't think there's any other one where anyone's ever going to write the highly anticipated box art maybe at certain stages other games I feel like right now it might just be that I don't know maybe Ballersgate 3 was big enough that the upcoming Divinity game might get some type of attention not that much though no because like GTA's box art is iconic I'm trying to think of another franchise's box art

that has because you can't just be an anticipated game. This is maybe the first negative thing I'll ever say about Baldersgate on this show. But I don't even think the Baldersgate box art

was like that amazing. No, and it's not, and more importantly, though, for this comparison, it doesn't have a legacy. It doesn't have a history. Whereas the GTA box art has...

I was going to say, Baldur's Gate sure had a... Boulder's Gate does, but the box art doesn't. Like a GTA poster is the kind of thing that literally there are adults to be.

that were children with that on their wall. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, totally. From GTA 5. Yeah. Who are now grown into adults and who are anticipating the release of GTA 6. People are like, whoa, I'm amazed you said that. I'll show you why.

Where's Carlac, bro? Where's Carlyke? Why is Missouri here and there's no Carlac? What the heck? I mean, this also just feels like Star Wars, which was modeled after previous film. movie posters. Like it doesn't... This is not...

It's not iconic. And like a GTA, it could... That could only be GTA, that style. I want to see like... I think... I think that something like a Diablo

has a very iconic box art. I would say... I would say Elder Scrolls actually has a pretty iconic box art. Honestly, the fact that this image exists at all... is a decent indicator of what you're saying. Yeah. But nobody would be excited to see a new Elder Scrolls box art

because this is cool. What I'm looking at over here is cool. And it's not just, it's not just cool because it spans such a long period of time that it's time capsules of cool spanning back like 20 years. More, more, 30 years almost. Like,

give me something equivalent. Like even Nintendo with their prime IPs, like, you know, Mario Kart or Mario Platformers or whatever, they have taken such a different approach over the years that you don't have that. Like, other than the first couple titles, here, let's go back to you. Other than the first couple of titles, there's a style here. one and two, which were, I believe, they were both top down. They were top down.

So the second they really got the real identity of GTA, they went to GTA 3 and they got this boxer and they never looked back. Yeah. That's pretty strong. Yeah. That's a statement. It's like, we nailed it. Yeah.

Now it's just that, but cooler every time. And I've never gotten into GTA, but that's cool. Apparently Kotaku even has a whole thing. This was linked by Nokia in chat. Hi, Nokia. Oh, it has to have a helicopter. In the top left.

Okay. That's interesting. Didn't know that. Oh, and it's got like pontoons this time. Sure. It's a cool helicopter. Yeah. Everything about this is cool.

Yeah. gives you some idea of where you're at. You got some palm trees. You got a little gator down there. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You got a flamingo. So it does give you like information as well.

Yeah. Got a pink bike. I was way ahead of the... the trend on that one, let's go. But yeah, I mean, that is a good point, but still, oh my God. If some other game did this, and I'm sure some other game has, where they stick with, like, a trend and it looks cool, it still doesn't really matter as much because it's not GTA. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? All right. Oh, okay. I apparently am supposed to, where is it? Oh, if we're crying out loud. Okay, float plane announcement. Dan, play the video. I think like quarters like this, right?

What am I looking at here? What is happening? What is happening? What is Sammy doing? That's disgusting. It's not even blended. What is he doing? Why is he drinking it?

It smells like a burger. But kind of peanut-y? Peanut-y. Penetty. Why is it here? Well, it just tastes like you bit all those things and chew it already. Ew. And then you like spat that out, let it get cold, and then put it back in your mouth. It's kind of what's like.

Why is it here? It's time. It's time for what? It's time for your wise man like punishment. Excuse me? Yeah, so remember last season you didn't do your punishment yet? I don't think I agreed to any kind of. kind of blended McDonald's

punishment. I don't eat McDonald's at the best of times. Yeah, well, we're not eating, you're oh, you're effed, you effed. We effed. Do you effed? We effed. We effed up. No key says F5, the show is still up. We got new O's in chat.

Do I keep speaking? You can keep speaking. You don't eat McDonald's, but you can drink McDonald's today. Did you at least make a fresh one? Yeah, this is fresh. This is fresh. I read, did a second one just for you. Yeah, so. It looks like soil.

So you lost last last season of Wancho. Why is mine late? So as a punishment, you have to drink this delicious drink that I made you. It's not even pouring. Dude, it's sludge. That's the worst thing I've ever seen. So he told me about this before the show, because he asked if I wanted to do it as well. Because there's a decent amount of times where, like, when you just ate the limes or whatever.

where I've like joined you Oh it spilled onto the table It's so gross Oh it's doing it more Why would you put the drink in it What? Yeah when you pour like the coke or whatever you got Oh yeah well I need to blend

What was that? What? The drink It's Coke So this is a big mac It's Coke It's a big Mac with the fries and I'm not

Okay you're doing it okay How many calories is this Zero That's so funny because that's another comment that I made. These are all reasons why I didn't want to do it. This has got to be like a thousand calories. No, it's like a couple hundred. There's no way.

What is it? What is all in that? Yeah, what's in that? It's a Big Mac. An entire Big Mac? Three quarters of a Big Mac. Three quarters of a Big Mac. Okay.

Fries. Three quarters of a half, what size of fries? Small. And why did you bother three-quarter it? Because we're testing it with the quarter first. You saw in the video. Oh. Wait, so when you say fresh, you mean you freshly blended it.

Yeah. But this burger is from like lunchtime today. Uh, two o'clock. So lunchtime today. Late for Wann today. I'm not going to say who. But someone was late today. That's not my fault.

I plan it perfectly. How would you like to take your five and a half hour old blended big bag? Solidarity, you know what I mean? Yeah, but you eat garbage. What do you eat garbage? What do you mean? Eat garbage? All right.

Well. Cheers. Cheers to good health. I'm not cheering nothing, and there's no good health that could possibly come from this. No, no chance. Prosperity and life and happiness. Fuck it. Cheers.

Oh, it's sludge. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Oh. Man, I really wish you guys had my perspective, because watching that Matrix slime go down, Lice's throw, was wild. Your hands covering it. Turn this way.

He's still got more. It's okay. It was fine. Want more? No! What kind of a thing to say is that? I got... Me had seconds.

Get that out of here. Slot up over here with that. Oh, there's so much mess. I'm so sorry. That's okay. I'll lick it up when everybody goes home. Oh, what? Just don't get it on the shag-pile. Let's actually wipe the table off though before it like encrussed into it. Sorry. Oh, don't, oh my god, don't pour it into the carpet, please. There's a jagged carpet. I'm gonna get fired.

Oh. Don't be late for man. I'm not gonna lie. That looked disgusting. That was possibly the worst thing that I have ever tasted. Do you want Sprite? No, I'm good on the Sprite. I think I'll wash it down with some water. I have a big Mac here for you if you want.

I do not, I don't need McDonald's at the best of times. Yeah, more McDonald's is not the answer. Oh, man. I don't remember the last time I had Coke. I don't remember the last time I ate a Big Mac. I have been known to enjoy some McDonald's fries from time to time. However, potato is not the strongest flavor. I think the weirdest thing about consuming that.

Is the Coke? It's got to be. No. No. Was the way that from one moment to the next, you could taste individual ingredients. Like on that first bite, I got a wave of mustard Oh

That was like overwhelming How did you blend it enough? I bled it Just about made me throw up I blend it for a minute straight Why would you blend it for a minute Because last time it was too chunky That's oh man

Sammy Stop in late for when It wasn't my fault today I can't explain why it wasn't my fault today But it really wasn't my fault today there's an NDA that prevents me from explaining why it wasn't my fault today oh I should not move around right now I'm not talking about today

I'm so happy I feel like I'd take a bite out of a whole lime for multiple days in a row over doing that easily I would do that easily okay due to a full point now I think I would probably do it for like a month over doing that that's not into that at all make sure you leave that on the kitchen counter so it sits all weekend anyway for those of you who aren't in the know why wan late is a series over on float plane that sammy does where just why wan late he he runs around the office and the lead up to the wands show and documents

what we're up to before we start the show and in some cases after we should have started the show and uh for a particular season there was a punishment and that was it and that was very unfortunate. If you want to check out why wan late, LMG.g.g. slash floatplane. We've also got a lot of other really great stuff over there, including this is a fun one. A. Week in the Life of Tatiana, aka

Material Girl. This is the first time I've heard that nickname for her, but... What's that on the right? Sure, that makes sense. Oh. What's that on the right? That is the LTT Forever Sock, coming soon. Hopper infused. Yeah. What is that mean? Antimicrobial qualities. Yeah. She does. She does.

she does are all the fancy metals antimicrobial like I know silver is too yeah silver is copper is I don't think gold is I don't think it has any kind of antimicrobial properties um but yeah copper silver and zinc

yeah Tatiana Tatiannas are I mean obviously it's a reference to the Madonna song but she's our she's our materials specialist not material girl and so she kind of talks through some of some of what her job entails in that video. All right. Oh, man, I'm a little flustered. So, yeah, that's it. That's a floatplate announcement. What else are we supposed to be doing?

Norley. All right, you want to pick a topic, Luke? Yeah, dopamine sites are letting users shop without buying anything. And this actually... Okay, I actually like this. Shattered my brain, and then I had to put all the pieces together, and then it exploded again while I was trying to understand what the heck somebody was talking about. when this was first described to me.

You talk through it and then I actually have not tried it yet because I wanted to do it live on WAM show. I want to do dopamine sites. Okay. So you set that up. Okay, go for it. A new wave of these dopamine sites lets people go through the entire online shopping or food ordering experience. Like the whole thing, genuinely. I'm going to start. Browsing, adding items to cart and checking out without actually buying anything. The goal is to scratch the shopping itch without.

spending any money. And according to reporting from Business Magazine Fast Company, some users find it surprisingly satisfying, though others see it as strange or dystopian like I do as a solution to overconsumption. Window shopping for people who can't touch grass. Sammy says, my prediction is, I think this will be used to store customer data to sell to companies to see how customers shop. Yeah, for sure. I'm certain this is a crazy data harvesting. I mean, why, though? Because you'd have no way of knowing that people will shop exactly the same on a fake site as they would on a real one. I don't see how this would be useful data at all. I think it's what people are clicking on. I mean, I guess, but these aren't real things anyway. Like, I guarantee you this is, look, look,

this is just the exact same background stuff with just like different AI plates. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think there's any useful data to be gained here. Looking at the text. I think there could be. Or at least I think they could package it and sell it to someone as it being that even if it isn't. People do be, people do be buying data. Anyway, carry on. Apparently, these aren't in the notes, but apparently, as far as my understanding goes, it is, like I said, the whole process.

So you can go to a store, you can put in your fake credit card info, you can watch the tracking information, you can see it show up, all that jazz. Okay, so, like seriously put, type in this information is something people want to do this is the worst when mine does an auto fill I get pissed off mm-hmm leave it at the door don't knock

you might wake my tiny dog okay I'm gonna pay on delivery no I'll pay with my wallet I'm going to place a demo order processing payment 30 minutes

my turtle is on the way I can call them. Oh, no, this is where it falls apart a little bit. Oh. Okay. Cool. Was that cathartic for you?

Well, it's not. It's not supposed to be cathartic. Do you feel good? Okay. I don't really, I don't use food apps. So maybe I could find a demo shopping site that isn't a food app. Yeah, they're supposed to have that as well. Okay.

Where do I, where do I find, where do I find more of these? the rise of fake online shopping food never comes okay so that's that's the one are there any are there any how many people are actually doing this that's another thing i'm wondering about like is this just a news topic because it's so crazy so people are talking about it or are people actually doing this i can't imagine many people are actually go to dopamine shopping dot com Dopamine Shopping.com. Okay. Of course, the thing at the front of it is of 4090.

Sorry, what is? Nice. Okay, buy everything. Pay nothing. The only honest store on the internet. Okay, here we go. So we're shopping. Okay, so this is something I do.

I shop online. I don't, not usually for food. So that there wasn't really. Okay. So, yeah, I'll shop for something that I actually care about. Let's go for PC stuff. obviously I wouldn't buy a fully completed PC I would I would find some parts so why don't I

It's interesting that it goes There's a 4090 at the top you scroll it's makeup This is a better deal It's computers Well I mean that would be It's interesting the target audience I think that would be pretty common Sort of online

Aspirational purchases right? Sure yeah So okay I've got my 4090 Oh I've Okay these are really cool I have sales I can add one of these to cart They've actually got a fair amount of detail

90 days of make believe Conditioned new sealed and fictional I'd imagine this is like Partly just like liability and whatnot I mean you haven't taken anyone's money But if you convince someone enough That it's real maybe Maybe they could

I don't know get mad at you or something Free shipping from the other side of the world 12 payments with zero imaginary interest there's a lot of reviews, but I guess that's probably just a random number generator. Okay, it's just GPUs. Buy something, dude. Buy something, get it shipped. No, I want to build a whole system, Luke.

Oh, okay. Okay, can I, okay, well, here, can I buy, like, can I buy, like, a, Ryzen CPU? No, I can't, I can't even, I can't even buy just a CPU. Yep. Where? Oh, hey, there's one. All right, I found a 7,800 X-D, I mean, there's got to be DDR-5.

Okay, so I'm shopping for DDR-5. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Where are they pulling this pricing from? Who knows? I guess it doesn't really matter. Nope. AM-5 motherboard.

Oh, not a single, okay. Anything, anything with a motherboard? Okay. I mean, oh, AMD socket AM5. Yeah, there we go. Okay, add to cart. It's kind of fun that the images do a little wiggle. Yeah, that's a cute little wiggle.

Oh, okay. Platform. Sure. That's something. Sure. Storage factory default. Okay, hold on. What else in my cart right now? So here's everything in my cart. The pictures don't get retained. Okay, so I got, I need a case. PC case. I want an expensive one. Oh, okay.

Case. Yeah. Hey, there we go. Okay. That's a whole system. No, no, there's cases. There's cases. There we go. H9 Elite. That's a nice case.

I'll take one of those. Is it normally $300? What else do I need? H9 Elite you said? Should I buy a Windows license? Yeah. Yeah? Oh, I don't think I can.

No. Well, forget it then. Go with Cash iOS. 2 terabyte. That's a pretty accurate price for that case, actually. In Canadian. I would imagine they would be pulling this from somewhere. Because it can't be too random or it would be just be kind of stupid, right?

like these all seem these all seem like they're kind of close to someone's pricing but then there's just like a bit of RNG to you know copy my homework but make it different so no one knows I copied you so that they can't tell you know who is being scraped

for a budget or whatever yeah okay there we go so I've got two terabyte SSD all right oh are there any deals so I can browse deals you know what it's dumb but I think it's easy as someone who doesn't suffer any kind of ill effects from like an online shopping dependency of any sort for me to say to be dismissive but having used it a little bit already I can see how if that was a concern for somebody

if it helps you not just blow all your money online this actually great i guess it scratches the itch a little bit does it yeah a little bit because there's no there's no risk that i will actually buy like these look like cool cleats i don't know there's no there's no risk that i will buy it except i could see I could see this app

exposing me still to a product that I otherwise wouldn't have found and I would have thought that I was just harmlessly browsing and then that I would ultimately turn around and go buy somewhere else. Wow, this armor thing on this 4080

looks really cool. I could do a sweet like Army green computer build let me go find this in the actual real world and then go buy it. I could also see sites like this if their traffic actually got high enough starting to sell placement

on their site if they aren't already. Because you're kind of communicating to people in that way that this is an aspirational thing that people would want to purchase. Yeah. So, okay, my account, orders placed, zero delivered, zero lost, total saved,

that you did not spend. Okay, so I go on here. I feel like this is one of those things where if you have the discipline to only use it, then it could be part of, it could be part of sort of managing this issue for yourself. But if not, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Okay, go to payment. But if you already had this. sort of a shopping compulsion. I don't see how this I don't see how this fixes it. Okay, now hold on a second. Redirects to a PayPal that won't charge you a dime.

Not a single cent leaves your account. The dopamine, though, that's real. Okay, pay. Logging into the PayPal account, you forgot the password. Okay, payment approved, estimated arrival. And this just counts down. I can track my delivery.

This one's actually pretty sophisticated. So it's going to go to Hawaii first. Oh, no. It's just going to go... All the way around. That's kind of funny because how often do you feel like you order something and then it just goes to the middle of the Pacific Ocean for no reason and then comes back instead of taking the more direct path? Okay.

If that's the actual joke, that's pretty funny. Order received. I don't know, man. I'd love to hear what you guys think of it. Dan, what do you think? I don't know. It's interesting. Star got your order.

The company group chat blew up. I've never really had an issue with like, I like the idea of shopping. Like, I like getting the thing. Right. I don't know. I don't think it's for me. I was trying to find a website, and I can't.

And I think we talked about it last week that was like a dopamine detox but for infinite scrolling. And it was just a website that infinitely scrolled and showed you nothing. So I've seen that and I was like, I don't believe it. And then I loaded it up and I still don't believe it because it gives you random messages as you scroll. And the dopamine is figuring out what the next message is. I think it's, I think it's. Yeah, but the messages themselves like repeat constantly.

I don't know. I felt better using that than I think I would get using this fake shopping thing. Honestly, the thing, there's been something that has finally actually been pushing me towards Graphene OS. And it's been that I realized that there is one remaining infinite scrolling app on my phone that I can't defeat. Hold on. Google News, you can defeat?

Can you? Oh, you mean like remove it? Yeah. I think so. Can't you just remove the Google? app? Because then when would you ever be exposed to? Oh, just by swiping from the... Okay, that's not how I access it. Oh. I have never formed that habit. I always access it from my search bar. I never do this. So I actually never really think about that. I didn't even know that you

could get it from there. Oh, yeah. There's all this. It's like any good fix. There's a lot of ways to get it. But yeah, I've figured out recently that like I have killed Infinite Scrolling on my phone. except I will, if I'm sitting there with nothing to do, I'm trying to make it so that I'll do something better on my phone. I'm counting chess as an acceptable thing. Okay, not a chess counts. I think chess counts. But I have found myself, if I'm idling,

I don't know what to do and I don't really want to turn my brain on. I'll flip over to the Google News and scroll through that quite a bit. And I'm like, this is not, I don't like this. If I want to get news, I can go get it from places that I think are probably on the level, instead of just this like random feed that I'm constantly being like I don't want to receive anything from these people again it's like the main thing I do when I'm interacting

with Google News is like please don't link me this anymore I hate how non-cranular it is yeah like there'll be something about the Detroit Red Wings and they're like some player that they're trading or not trading and I'll be like not interested in this and it'll be like do you want to select you're not interested in hockey then? I'm like no I just I don't care about the Red Wings

nobody cares about the Red Wings right now that's like the whole point of why this guy doesn't want to play there anymore like come on man yeah yeah so it's annoying so I want to get it off my phone and I have spent almost no time

actually trying to but I suspect what I'm going to run into is that I can't so that might be the thing that drives me off of uh interesting off of Android I guess

you know what the more I think about the the more I actually kind of like it, not because I necessarily would use it. If it helps someone, then great. Apparently it was only two people that it took to make it. But if you're, but in the same, like I was thinking about, so that thing I said, where I was like, oh, the risk could be

that if I see something that I'm tempted by, this could make me go off site. But that's, that's the whole behavior that people are trying to avoid, is when they aren't intentfully going somewhere and finding something to buy it this is just giving them something to scroll

and taking away that convenient one-click shop. There's a reason that Amazon, I believe invented and then like tried to patent or whatever

one-click purchases. It wasn't Amazon? I have no idea. It feels like it probably would have been. Yes, Amazon invented and patented the one-click

purchasing method. So if that reduction in friction wasn't important or effective, Amazon wouldn't have done it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So if there's anyone that this can help by just not having that one click available. Like if I have to do what you did, right? You have to, you had to click through to the page. You had to go here. You had to copy. You had to page. You had to paste. Well, I would right click Google search, but yeah. Sure. Okay, you had to do something.

Then I have to go find it in stock. Yeah, blah, I have to click a thing. I have to do this. That didn't even... Where did it go? It disappeared because NVIDIA doesn't care about selling gaming GPUs anymore. But you see what I mean, right?

We're putting friction in a place where the other app on their phone that does this doesn't have that friction. and just says, oh, you want it? Here you go, and it took actual money away from you. The more I look at it, the more I'm like, okay, if this helps anyone, then... Sure. Also, with the help of chat... Oh, you turned it off already.

It's gone. That was quick. You long press on your home screen. You click home screen settings and you disable swipe to access Google app. Okay. And I actually don't think I'll just start doing the thing that, You do because the swipe access Google The whole reason why I'm trying to get rid of all the infinite scrolling apps

Is because it's like muscle memory almost Right, yeah And I have a muscle memory of swiping to the side Let's see what's going on So as long as that doesn't work I'm sure that that will happen and my brain will go, huh? And then I'll go play chess or do whatever I think I told you already that Reddit did me a huge favor

When they semi-deprecated our slash all Because I'm you know in the same way It's like, oh, let's see what's going on, right? So it still exists, but the only way to access it, and this is actually kind of amazing for me, is pretty inconvenient on mobile. So you have to do, you have to go to old dot Reddit. Oh, right. And on mobile, this is a terrible interface. Yeah.

Like, I can't see thumbnails for crap. No. And it makes me use it way less, actually. It's been pretty great. Something I like is every, I don't have. Reddit installed, Infinite scrolling app. But every once in a while, I do need to access it. So I'll access it through the browser.

Yep. And something that I love is that it will put up a thing. It's so annoying. You have to use the app now. Yep. I can't see it anymore. And I'm like, oh, great. And I just close the browser.

I'm not installing your data app. I just didn't install the Reddit app. Oh, yeah. I just didn't. Yeah, I don't have it either. And so I actually have muscle memory to dismiss that. The one that I get is not dismissable. What?

Which I'm completely okay with. What? Are you sure? No, it's got to be dismissible. I'm pretty sure. Let me see if I can make it come up. I wonder if it's because I'm on Firefox. Greenberg says both have all.

I don't think on the app might have it. That I don't know. I don't use the app. But I know that for, well, I mean, maybe that's not true anymore. I know that for a while you had to do old. Let me see. No, it's not there. It just takes you to the homepage, which is an algorithmic page.

Yeah. So I just get view and Reddit app, and then I just have an X and open. Oh, so, oh, I did put it on. I actually forgot about that. I put it on because I had to do something moderation related. You know what? I haven't touched that in so long. I'm just going to remove it.

There, you're gone. You're out. No close. What? Yeah. Which, again, I'm totally okay with because I just go boop, goodbye. Because I'm not. Hold on, no, no, hold on.

Hold on. Let me refresh this. Yeah, I, no, no, I do. I have never seen that before. Is that new? I don't know. Because I've just been using old. No, see, look.

Wait, view and Reddit app. I don't even have it. What are you talking about? It just prompts me to install it from the store. No, I don't click View and Reddit app. It's like from scrolling and opening stuff and scrolling and opening stuff. That will just show up. Really?

Yeah. I've never seen that. I like run out of time almost. What browser are you on? Firefox. Oh. I've used Firefox on mobile without a pause. for like over a decade

I actually really like Firefox I wonder if that's like a Firefox user targeting thing do you does Firefox block ads on Reddit hmm I don't know because maybe they go after you more aggressively I don't think so because I'm pretty sure I've seen the the Dbrand ads that are funny and ours I basically just get us in D brand

hey speaking of us and talking about Creator Warehouse I guess we should probably do that real quick Dan just put the sign up there I was late I forgot No no you're good Okay We do not

Have a big announcement For a new product or anything like that This week for LTT store But we want to give you guys A bit of advance notice That there is some pretty big stuff coming up Okay If you've had your eye on something

You're not going to want to miss next week Lime Day Is kicking off The Linus Inventory Management Experience Is kicking off on June 23rd for float plane members and on the 24th for everybody else. You'll find deals on select gear and apparel plus some amazing bundle offers that are going to be worth checking out. And a reminder that our float plane plus supporters get free shipping over certain thresholds.

So this could be a perfect time to pick that up. If you were planning to place an order, that shipping that you would have paid for anyway could cover like, depending on on how much stuff you're getting, even a few months of being a floatplane plus supporter over at at lmg.gg slash floatplane. Just make sure that you sign up for our email list so that you'll get a reminder of when events like this go live. So you can do that over at LTTStore.com. Also, another announcement, but not something you can buy today, is we're bringing a little

bit of controlled radiation down to open sauce. before our new nuclear colorway lands on LTT store, open sauce attendees will get an exclusive first look. I think they can they buy it there? I can't remember. Anyway, you can join us July 17th to 19th at our open sauce booth. And yeah, so you can get your hands on one before the rest of the internet. Yeah, I believe we will have some for sale there.

And if you want to know the exact moment that nuclear escapes containment and lands on the store, again, make sure you sign up for notification so you'll be the first to know. plus you will receive a one-time 10% discount code. So you can check that out. Where is it? Somewhere. Here. Wait, is it this one?

Uh-oh. No, I don't know. What are you trying to do, sorry? I'm trying to find the sign up for notifications and get a coupon thing. normally it would be linked in here I don't see it linked in here yeah okay hold on

oh on the nuclear escapes so it's probably on the screwdriver question mark well I subscribed and I will check and see if I get anything I think I was already subscribed to the newsletter though so it probably won't where do they where do they find it

well yeah somewhere nobody knows someone does not us not us Oh, Dan, there's more announcements? Yes. Oh, yeah, sure. Okay, yeah, we're hiring.

Looking for a full-time writer to join the LTTT team. If you're interested in applying, head over to linusmediagroup.com slash careers to get some more information. And we've got dates for the next whale land. It's going to be August 29th and 30th. B.YOC tickets will be available starting at $80 Canadian. And there will be a limited number of whale VIP tickets for $5,000

Canadian. whale VIPs will receive a high-powered custom-built gaming PC from StarForge Systems and a studio and labs tour plus a swag pack with the exact items curated closer to the event. Ticket sales start this Monday at noon at whalan.com. All right, good stuff. Oh yeah, now it's time for us to do a couple of comms. If you guys aren't familiar, comms are the way to communicate with the show. Twitch pits or Super Chats or anything like that. We figure if you guys are going to throw money at your screen,

you should probably get quality merchandise in return. So all you've got to do is send a comm communication message, checkout message, whatever we want to call it. I mean it changed the name recently. Don't worry about it. Is add something to your cart. Head on over to your cart and ask to display your order as a checkout message. You can make them anonymous.

You can show your name. You can type anything you want, literally anything. And then you place your order and it will go to producer Dan, who will, I don't know, he'll pop it up on screen or maybe he'll respond to it himself or maybe he'll curate it for me and Luke to respond to. Dan, do you have a couple for us? I do. That's why I asked you to do them. That makes sense. It does. Listen.

We're getting good at this. Hello, Wanda, D.L. Longtime viewer, first time messenger. Hi. I have to know if there's more stubby colorways coming. For now, I will steal this stubby I bought for my dad. Semi-colon dash right parentheses. Thanks in advance.

No. At this time, we have no plans for additional colorways of the stubby. It sells okay. The stubby's not going away. We're going to keep restocking it. But unlike the full-sized driver, it doesn't move in such volumes that we could have different colored plastics that would also sell in enough volume.

that they would be worth restocking. So, sorry, but at this time, the stubby is in, I believe it's in black and black or black and orange, and that is about it. That was a huge order. It's like a $400 order. They picked up some true spec cables and a bunch of other stuff. Dan moved it before I could actually see it. Oh, I'm terribly sorry.

No, you could. Well, it's only going to be like the one that's right there. Oh, yeah, I see it now. There it is. Yeah, I picked up a stubby, perceived. decision kit scribe driver to scribe drivers map of Siberia desk pad that thing's really cool is there more true spec cables coming there's already some out of stock are yes there's quite a few out of stock actually yes yes more true spec cables are incoming it's been it's been painful

trying to keep enough of them in stock yeah hit me dan sure got another one here what's up boys like i think that's supposed to say luke no that's his name oh yeah like like like like Do you pronounce it like? Like, I thought this was just Valley Girl talk. Like, What work of bench did you order?

That took so long to arrive. Looking at a bench myself. And I know you want to buy a good shit. Uh, man. I love that that was said in Valley Girl. We should do all of our business is in. All the Combs are now Valley Girl.

It was an Irwin Fitness bench. Irwin Fitness. Like the ones that make the clamps? or different Irwin? I think probably different actually. That makes sense. But yeah, it was, I mean, it's very nice. It took astronomically too long to arrive.

Okay, well, which one is it? I mean, it's you. It's got to be alpha. I don't think so. Alpha. Well, this isn't even like the stuff. Oh, okay. Equipment.

Benches. Benches. At the top. Benches be crazy. I think it's the AB1. The AB1. Very expensive. Bench.

It's really nice. Five stars. I treated myself. 949. Luke doesn't spend money, but when he does, he spends it on his health. And this is like, I should genuinely be able to keep it basically forever. You can replace the pad. Bench.

The frame itself is like not going to go bad. So I can actually just keep this all the time. I need Linus to review the bench fully Like in person Nut I would That's a fine bench

I really like YouTuber face Hey that guy's video actually Highly convinced me to get it Um Influencer I didn't know it was on there He did he influenced me

Yeah my name's Gluck Gluck I want Linus to like actually do an unboxing review of a bench now. There's no way. I wouldn't know anything to say about it. It goes up and down. The luck circuit. Now I'm flat.

I can be angled if you'd like. Oh man. Voice actor Wandshow. Jeebles. Alright, yeah, cool. Got a bench. So, when you were mad that it didn't arrive on time, would you say that you were bench pressed?

Oh, my God. I did, it is that... I was actually, like, fine. Pretty cheese. I thought I read somewhere that it was going to take, like, a month. And because it's like... Would you say that you had to... wait for it.

Alright, that one counts. That one was actually pretty good. When there were no accessories, did you see that you had gotten everything unboxed? Bar none. Bar none. Okay, okay. I was really wondering where you're going, but Bar none's pretty good, I think. Bar none's pretty good. I don't know, that last- I'm just glad the whole thing It also especially works because there is no bar. I'm just glad that after it all, you know, it worked out.

Oh. That one was a bit of a stretch, but like, go off. The funniest part to me is that I splurged on that, but dumbbells are really, really, really, really, really, really expensive. Yeah, that's the thing I learned when I had to, like, buy a gym for Smash Tams. It's just metal. Metal's cheap, isn't it? Turns out it's not.

And it also caused a lot of shit. ship it. But it's also in like your condo you don't want a whole wall of dumbbells. So usually go for adjustable dumbbells and you know, adjustable dumbbells are very expensive. So it's just adjustable metal.

It's so expensive. And they break pretty easily. I feel like we could disrupt this market. LTT store adjustable dumbbell. Yeah, I don't know. It's like that dopamine site. It's just a digitally it's like a web page where you just change

the weight and nothing actually happens. But yeah, so I decided to not buy fancy adjustable dumbbells. So I borrowed the old school plate loaded adjustable dumbbells my parents aren't using because they have like actual dumbbell wall. And so I have these like old slightly rusted. I think Emma described them as it looked like it came out of like a Russian gym. Nice. And then I have that paired.

And non-matching plates. So I can load them up with, I think it's like, 65 pounds each. But one of them, yeah, one of them has like three perfectly matching plates. Then there's the weight of the bar and the nuts on the end. And then the other one has, I think it's like genuinely like five or six different plates on it. And it goes all the way to the end of what the bar can hold. So they're not even the same. It's funny that we don't seem to ever be able to move.

beyond that. Move beyond what? I bought a Tycan TurboS and I harvest the windshield wiper housings and just put new silicone in. That is why I respect you both. You bought a $950 flat surface so that you could use mismatched custom rusted. It's more expensive than my computer chair. I spent a lot less time in it. I really like it though

But yeah We allow ourselves to splurge on one thing And only one thing Then it stops It's not even about the splurge It's just it's about the like I have one I was shopping a lot

So why buy a new one? I spent genuinely months Going on Facebook marketplace Trying to find like a used bench I could buy And it was just Garbage like rotting garbage The entire time There was no option

I was really hoping to find like some gym that would close that would have a an Atlantis bench because I really like the Atlantis bench that's at the community gym that I often go to. Never found any of those. When I bought this, this was like pretty close to peak like elbows up by Canadian. So I was trying to look into buying Canadian, but almost all the, you know, weightlifting equipment manufacturers are either American or overseas. So like I kind of ran out of a lot of options. And then this one was apparently like some, some welders in the east in Canada.

So it's like Canadian people handmaking things. And I was like, all right, well, I'll be in elbows up, bro, and spend a bunch more money and buy this one instead. Frankly, it seems. See, like, nah. Yeah. Nah. And this is like the type of stuff I was finding. Yeah.

On Facebook Marketplace. And like this was it. Somebody died in this garage. This, yeah. Sorry. but um and like i and again i spent months so i just it eventually came down to like okay well if i want to buy canadian yeah and i want it to like actually hopefully be actually canadian and not you know rebadged somewhere else um it and i don't want to buy some like you know something like that

off facebook marketplace i want an actually pretty solid bench i kind of ran out of options and then i watched gluck's video saw that irwin one and was like he mentioned in the video that that it's Canadian. I was like, okay, well, that's like one of my only options at this point. I'll go that route. I tried to do the same thing for dumbbells, and it was like two grand. And I was like, nah. I'll borrow my parents.

I'm done. I already spent the like crazy amount money on the flat surface. I'll wait on the other one. Maybe one day you'll be strong enough to hold your elbows up $2,000 worth. But it's not. this day. Yeah, I'm already like overweight for the, wow, unfortunate phrasing. That's true. But I'm already over like, I can lift more than those dumbbells. But my argument is like, at least I can do something at home. And then if I want to lift heavier, I should just go to the gym. But it's

nice to be able to, like, if I have a burst of inspiration, I'm at home, I can actually just rips and stuff out. You can do a lot with a bench dumbbells. So yeah, it's good. Cool. Someone can. I can't. You can. No, I would hurt myself for sure. Sure. 100%. Are you still working out? A little bit. I think I have some boobies now. Small boobies.

Still doing creotene? Very small boobies. Yeah, but I honestly, ever since I started it, I've been like really busy. I've been traveling for CompuTechs, traveling for other stuff. There's been a lot of video projects lately. My wife brought home a bunch of chicks and ducklings. So it's a thing. it turns out that you can

oh shoot there was something that I was going to talk about on Wancho and then I totally forgot to write it down and now I guess I won't talk about it. It was just kind of an interesting topic. Anyway, yeah, so it's a thing.

There's like multiple services that you, it's not that cheap, it's like a few hundred dollars or something like that, but they kind of do everything. They bring you some incubators and they have fertilized eggs in them and then they give you these like little shiny, lighty, magnifying glassy things and you can like check on them every day

and watch the chicks and the ducks like develop and grow inside the eggs and they give you like all this documentation and stuff so the kids can like learn about bird development and then they hatch and like it's really exciting and then they bring you like a little habitat for them and like all the food and water it turns out ducklings you need a special water trough for them that they can't get their head into because they just have like an instinct to put their head in water and they'll just die if their mother's not there to stop them from doing that uh they'll just kill themselves and in like this much water these are stupid yeah i mean

it's a miracle they survive in in the wild um and then you just like keep them and you like take them out and play with them and they shit everywhere because they're birds and then when you're done with them you basically just like put them back in the enclosure and you say yep we're done and then they take them away and it's Yvonne and the kids especially

have been having an absolute blast with it so we have we have cats think we have two ducklings right now and four chicks and the cats panda in particular is super into just watching them walk around and make their little peep, peep, peep sounds.

Obviously, the enclosure like latches, and the chicks are not allowed out of the enclosure when the cats are around, because that would end really poorly, really quickly. What are they for? I mean, presumably for a farm somewhere that just runs this as like a side hustle, but it's like very white glove, honestly, all things considered.

Like, they literally, like, come to you and, like, drop off the enclosure and stuff. My sister put us onto it. She's like, oh yeah, no, I've seen these before and they're a thing. And we looked into it. There's like at least a few companies locally that do it. I hope Emma is not watching or else I'm going to have this like next week. Oh, yeah, they stink.

Yeah, I know. I'm sure. Yeah, because they're like, you know, farm animals. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Cool. They're really cute though.

I'm sure. When the ducklings are first born, they're like the stupidest things. Oh, yeah. They can like, they like, they like waddle like this. And they're like, they're so clumsy. It's adorable. Have you ever seen a, like, very fresh Great Dane puppy? No.

God, they're so funny. Their feet are enormous. Their feet make no sense. For some reason, their feet are just such higher scale than... They like how humans are born with a liver that's like almost full size or something. That's why baby's tummies are so big. I read that somewhere. Let me double check that.

Weird. Human babies, big liver. Hold on. I'm going to check that. Blah, blah, blah. It's normal. For healthy human babies to have a disproportionately... large liver compared to the rest of their body.

While an adult's, okay, it's not full size. While an adult's liver accounts for about 2% of body weight and newborn baby's liver is up to 5%. So, no, it's just big. It's not, um, it's not like full size when they're born. Apparently they have big eyes too, according to Ruker on, in float plane chat. Human babies? Yeah. Eyeballs.

They don't grow? Is that true? That's why their eyes are so big because they're the same size. Oh, that actually makes a lot of sense. Monkey. Anyways, what are you? I'm wrong, according to Crystal. I don't know.

I don't know. I'm just out here spreading misinformation. I can pick one. Here's a funny thing. They just grow a lot less, apparently. This is amazing. This is mostly just funny. Tesla self-driving safeguards, apparently

defeated by dollheads? So this is a product you can buy now that has a little suction cup that you stick to the top of your car and then you position it. Oh my God, that's really funny. So you can sit on your phone and the car sees some head being very, very diligent about looking at the road. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. It's also funny because if you smashed into something, your insurance would definitely get that footage. Yeah, they definitely would.

So there's a camera that tracks the driver's attention during autopilot and full self-driving use. And so the heads are positioned such as like you see there that fools the safety system into thinking you are a very attentive driver. And Chinese e-commerce platforms are selling these tiny plastic heads as travel companions. and dashboard decorations for as little as $10. Our discussion question is, oh, I don't know if we're going to discuss this again, but does marketing driver assist technologies as autopilot and full self-driving,

even with supervised tact on, encourage drivers to assume they don't need to pay attention to what their car is doing? I mean, I think we've talked about this extensively, and there's finally a class action in, what is it, Denmark or something? Somewhere over in Europe, there's a class action that has about 7,000 people on it now that's basically like, yeah, so that was false advertising, that whole thing. And not just for the people who bought the full self-driving software package, but also for the people who bought all these hardware three cars that will never have full self-driving.

Hardware four is apparently getting really good. Now that I'm done with that last comma video, procurement is on getting our hands on a hardware four car. So I think what we're going to do is either we'll buy one Or I'll make a little trade with somebody internally Because I think there's a couple people That actually have hardware for cars here And so maybe they can take the Taekan for a month And I'll take their Tesla for a month

And we'll call that a fair trade I mean, yeah, I don't mind As long as they don't crash it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gas racing says just rent one, my man. I mean, why? If I can do the trade, then like, That seems like a win-win.

I like wins. But yeah, I'm definitely wanting to try it. Hardware 4 is apparently quite good. It's just like, my only issue with it has been the false representation because what it wasn't and what it still isn't is completely autonomous. It's not. So when it isn't, I really believe, strongly that they shouldn't have called it that.

That's it. And I don't, it's kind of wild to me that to some people, that's a bad take. That seems like objectively a good take. When something is not, a thing you said it is, that's bad. That's a scam. That's fraud. That's false advertising. You can kind of use whatever word you want for it.

But it falls under the umbrella of don't do that. Or it should, anyway. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it makes you a trillionaire. Maybe nothing makes any sense. Here's a cool thing. There's a new 3D printing tech that's using elliptical laser beams to stir molten metal and create alloys on demand. The coolest part is that existing machinery can apparently implement this technique in software,

meaning more convenient, stronger alloy printing. Researchers at NIST I figured out how to mix metal alloys mid-print just by changing the path the laser takes. In standard metal 3D printing, the laser melts powder while tracing straight lines, and each melt pool only blends its ingredients a tiny bit. NIST researcher Ho Young instead programmed the laser to draw continuous elliptical loops as it moves, physically stirring the molten pool while it's still liquid, kind of like whisking the metal, metal together. There is a bit of a catch.

While some existing metal printers that are already in the field could in principle be reprogrammed to do this, commercial 3D printer software can't draw these patterns. So the team had to write their own from scratch. And they proved it by fusing REHA 19, a dense high entropy alloy with a lightweight titanium alloy and watching them combine into a new alloy in real time. That is so cool. So quick primer here, and I'm not an expert on this, so hopefully whoever prepped this topic knows about metallurgy.

Most traditional alloys are one main metal with small amounts of others mixed in, like steel, which is mostly iron. A high entropy alloy, instead blends five or more metals in roughly equal amounts, which can make them exceptionally strong or heat-resistant. The problem is those metals. have different densities and melting points, so they tend to separate into weak, blotchy regions as they cool. So basically exactly the problem that this stirring technique fixes.

So the longer-term vision, though, is alloys on demand. So instead of stalking a different premixed powder for every alloy, a single printer loaded with basic elemental powders could blend custom alloys on the fly, which would cut material costs and even allow you to vary the composition across a single part to replace welding. What the hell?

That's really cool. Yeah. Wow. This is like, man, metal printing already. Absolutely blew my mind the first time I heard about it. Because I was like, oh, that's the coolest thing ever. Alloys on demand is like, feels very space age. Very enterprise.

Yes, this is Star Trek. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you just, this is like actually a food replicator but metal. Yeah, that's, that's insane. Metal A.F, you might even say. Yeah. That's really crazy. Yeah.

I was reading about this this week and I was like, really? What are you talking about? And you can even, and it can be like backported onto existing machines. The fact that it's a software update? Like the whole thing is just kind of wild. That's,

uh, that's really cool. Yeah. Like I'm trying to imagine like what would I, what would I do with a, with, this is a, one of those things where I feel like my imagination

is the bottleneck. You almost need more limitations so you can like what could I create? What could I create? Like I could create a part that you know is like solid here but then like has a sprung element here like I could make I could make like a hand squeasy thing. You know what I mean? Because I could have I could have one metal here and then I could have like a super bendable alloy here and I could make like a hand exercise. Okay that I don't know I was thinking about your weight bench right

Like, I'm just, I'm trying to think of like, what could I make with this? Freaking almost anything. I think the most interesting part is just being able to rapidly experiment with different allies if you're doing like prototyping or whatever else to try to find, you know, what one looks the best, what one feels the best, what one is strongest. For whatever, yeah. I was going to say strongest, but I don't, like, is the resulting part as strong? I don't think it would be if you 3D printed a piece versus like cast it a piece.

From my understanding at this time, no. Yeah. So I don't know if you could do strongest. But you might do, you might be able to do strongest in this, in this geometry. Like not everything is casting compatible. Relatively, relatively strongest. Necessarily, yeah. Interesting.

Sure. Yeah. For me, it really speaks to like prototyping stuff really rapidly, I guess. Here's some cool AI news. Relax, relax, it's actually cool. Invidia research published a paper where basically they trained robot arms to perform some... Is this actually really cool? Yeah, it's really cool.

Is this where they install a GPU? Oh yeah. So we're not even needed anymore. It's so funny That is exactly What my note said on the on the topics spreadsheet Hold on let me see if I here it is

Here's when topic checklist Yeah I mean you don't need you don't need how to basics Installing a GPU If your little robot does it for you Anyway what's cool about it is not just that a robot Did a thing because we already had that But early

earlier this week, Nvidia director of AI, Jim Fan, revealed that researchers can now enable auto-research in the physical world and presented a demo reel that introduces Enpire. It gave eight coding agents a fleet of robots, an allocation of GPUs, and a whole bunch of tokens before giving the agent's tasks to solve as quickly as possible without making mistakes. Fan said, all we did was give codex an API to the world of atoms and the rest is emergence. And that once, and he said that once instructed, the robot fleet starts to come alive. They look for visual cues, reset the scene, practice novel skills, tinker with control stack, read papers online, debate, reflect, get stuck, and try again directly on the hardware. The agents were able to manipulate the robots to complete tasks like sorting precision screwdriver bits.

tying and cutting zip ties, installing a GPU in a motherboard PCIE slot, and pushing a 3D printed T around on a table. Tests also included using different agents and different numbers of robots and concluded that eight robots working in parallel solved the tasks significantly faster than fewer ones. Empire runs fully autonomously, testing the agent's hypotheses in the real world,

automatically evaluating successes and failures, then resetting the experiment to its initial state for the next trial and deciding what to try next. Tom's hardware reports that the Empire Project will be open source, so you could conceivably host your own automagical robot lab at home. Man, it's kind of wild the amount of open source stuff that's happening in the AI space. It's kind of surprising. I mean, I can see Nvidia's motivation. No, for sure.

And from Nvidia's standpoint, yeah, you'd sell more shovels, man. I mean, the fact that that near frontier models like when Deepseek first landed was just here you go everybody that was pretty surprising.

I'll give you that. I'm assuming that's kind of more what you were talking about. I mean, like, you know, that it's from Nvidia is not too surprising here but just the sheer volume

of stuff in this space that has been in the open source realm realm is kind of what I'm talking about. Like this one in particular isn't all that surprising. but just another one being on the wall is the surprising part, I guess. Want to see the tying a zip tie one? Yeah.

Here we go. It's a pretty wild, dude. So is it just this one or does it work with it? Yeah, there it is. Works with its buddy. Here you go, buddy. I like that it adjusted. Hmm.

Let it cook. Oh, no way. Okay, that was a pretty cool move. Yeah, actually. That was a pretty cool move. It's thinking. It's having to think. Calculating. Wait for it. Wait for it.

I feel like I'm getting blue balls waiting for the big moment here. Wait for it. Is it still going? Wait, did that... did it end? No. Oh, hold on. Why would they do this to us? I can't believe you've done this. That's so rude.

What just happened? Did it just, did the video player just break? That's crazy. What just happened there? Okay, hello? Can we... This player sucks. Yeah, they should use...

Float plane. Yeah. We could help them with that. I'm so confused right now. Where's the... Do they vibe code this or something? How does this work? It kind of seems like it.

Yeah. This is it... Yeah, this just... This just doesn't do anything. Yeah, nothing works. Is... is this... is this slop? Have we found a slop? Oh man, okay, hold on, maybe it'll go this time.

Maybe it'll be different this time. Oh. Just freeze on this frame instead? Yeah, none of this is working. I can't click on any of the other things. Fine, how about the GPU... They all just... they all just tease you! This is crazy! Man, do I have to go to their only fans to just... Oh yeah.

see the big finish? Go back to, oh my God. Go back to your screen. Right click on it, show controls. That's a good point. So I want to point of that. Oh, really? Nope.

Wow. Big fat pile of nope there. Well, it's at the end. That shows that it's actually at the end. Okay, so that's it. That's as far as that one goes. All right. Wow.

Way to go in video. Way to go in video. Either way, sounds pretty cool. I've actually been finally tinkering around with some Home Lab AI stuff. I got Odysseus installed this week. Oh, installed. Yes.

I got to have my first wonderful experience with Nvidia drivers on Linux. It turns out that depending on the GPU you're running and depending on the distro you're using, it is a giant big fat bag of dongs. Yeah. So my original plan was I found a couple of GV100 quadros, like old school quadros in the warehouse and some NVLinks. And I was like, oh yeah, well, that seems like a thing that would be pretty good for running bigger stuff.

A lot of V RAM. A lot of V RAM. A lot of V RAM. High speed interconnect between the V RAM. So we have the 32 gig version of those cards. I have two of them. So that gives me 64 gigs of kind of mostly pooled V-RAM. Yeah. Well, yeah, it turns out they only have after fighting with this for probably a grand sum. Okay, no, I should go back to the beginning. Is this a video? Are you making this a video? I don't know yet.

Okay. There's no real payoff yet. Sure. And the last thing that I would have needed is to make a video with this much trial and error. just yet. So I was poking around in the warehouse. I found those GV-100s and I was like, oh, that seems pretty cool.

And then I also found that RTF5090 that we did that power connector modification on. You know the one with the super sketchy XT-120 power cable going into it and then just like wires instead of the 12-volt 2x6. And I was like, hey, what? Nobody's using this thing. We have a freaking RTF5090

that is just sitting in the warehouse. not being used. I remember telling people explicitly. I was like, hey, after we do this mod, obviously we can't use it for comparative benchmarking anymore, but we could definitely use it for, like, if we have anything that we just need to run because it still totally works.

What the heck? Why is this just sitting on the shelf? Fine. Well, if I'm, like, doing some AI crap at home, then I'll use it. So I grabbed it, I put it in a bin. I took it home. No, no, don't worry.

I figured out why nobody's using it. So anyway, I got home and I was like, okay, well, this could be a pretty cool little station. I grabbed a, like, a Sapphire Rapids X-on platform that nobody was using because who would. But it has a lot of CPU cores and supports a lot of RAM. Coursera must have sent over this, like, ECC DDR-5 kit that probably was for Sapphire Rapids back then. So I dug that up. This was before the great shortage. So it's not the fastest stuff, but it's a lot of capacity.

So I built everything up and I was like, okay, so I'll have the dual GV 100s for when I need like a ton of memory capacity. And then I'll have the RTS 5090 for if I need actually like faster compute. And I was having a hell of the time getting it to work. And the conclusion that I drew is, oh, no, there must be something wrong with that stupid modified 5090. So I pull it off the bench and I go, oh, this needs to be redone. like we did in fairness to us we didn't have the best tools on hand at the time and we didn't really know what we were doing modifying power connectors on GPUs we did a terrible job and the captain tape that we had because we forgot to put the sleeving on before we did the soldering and we were afraid of killing it if we took the solder job off and put it back on again which was a very legitimate concern because we put so much solder on it that I actually did end up spilling solder all over the board and I had to wick it all. all off very, very carefully. So that capton tape was like coming off.

And that positive and negative terminal were like right there. Like hairs away from each other. So what I ultimately did was I pulled everything apart. I desodered everything, got all that solder hole over the board, had to have to wick all of that up, had to kind of bend it a little bit more. At some point in storage, one of the sense pins for the 12 volt 2x6 that tells the GPU, you, hey, you're good to go. Draw 600 watts.

One of those got torn off, just like sheared off. So I had to go deeper into that connector, cut away the connector, bridge the appropriate pins. It turns out we didn't need to run that cable at all, which is something we understand better now, but didn't at the time. You can just solder together two of the pins. I think it's pins three and four. I forget.

It's the two of the edge ones. One in two or three and four, I can't remember. I grabbed some new wire. So we used this like, Eight-gauge, like, stranded and yet, like, thick, stiff copper wire last time that was safe. In fairness to Lucas, it was safe to use that. But it was really rigid and inflexible, and it put a lot of strain on those connectors, especially with the weight of the XT-120.

So I grabbed some 10-gauge, which I was right, by the way, Lucas is fine. It's good enough. He was also right, though, because 8-gages rated for 50 amps and 10-gauge is. is not. But when we looked it up, that was for like in-wall. This is not in-wall. This is next to an intake fan. It turns out it's fine. So I got some 10-gauge

wire, which was a lot easier to solder, and it's like the silicone, like hobbyist grade stuff, so it's like quite a lot more flexible. What Lucas was right about, though, is XT-90s are not good enough. I tried it for lulls. I ended up disassembling

the XT-120, cleaning all the solder off of it, and then using that instead. So, hey, can both be right. Luke is more than me, but that's fine. I was there with a fleer. Like I was standing there with a fleer and I was like, I'm not going to guess. I'm going to find out for sure. You know, what is too much resistance on this wire?

So finally, after not being able to get the 509D working in the system, I put it back in and it's still not working. And I go, holy crap, I must have gotten. some solder somewhere on the board. I must have done something. It's not working. I can't install the drivers. And I go, meanwhile, I've been trying to get the GV-100's working. And I, like, can't. It's way beyond my ability to do on my own. It has me, like, trying to block the NUvo driver from loading it booed and doing all this stuff. And I'm using chat GPT totally sucked. Gemini was actually quite a bit better in terms of, like, helping me get it working. I wasted it once again, wasted a bunch of time

with chat GPT before just using Gemini and it working ultimately way better. ChatGPT user share is plummeting. I saw that. I think they're below 50% now, right? Yeah. So ultimately, um, was like still struggling getting the, getting the GV 100's working. Um, and I'm like panicking about this 5090 that's broken now. So I actually like, I take out the Linux boot drive.

I throw the 5090 on by itself, and I'm like, or no, sorry, I left the Linux boot drive on. I throw on the 5090, and it's not working by itself either, and I go, holy crap, okay, I need to test this against something else. So I grab my, like, random old AM4 motherboards, like a second-gen-a-m-4 system. I put it on the bench. I throw the 59-0, holy crap, I can't install drivers. I'm getting, like, Code 29, this device.

The device, initialized by the BIOS doesn't match the device. Windows is trying to initialize or something. Oh, no. This has got to be a hardware problem. So I take the card off. I like take it all apart again. I find a little ball of solder somewhere. I go, holy crap, was that it?

I put it back on. It's still not working. And I ultimately have no idea what I did, but I put it on again and then it just worked. So then I was like, oh my God. Okay, well, the last thing I'm going to do is take this apart again. So now to like permanently do these power leads, I am going to do this while it's all attached to the board. so I get the XT-120 connector I take out that monstrosity

that Lucas bolted together with the like six individual leads going into the like the I thing and I just put those with ample solder straight into the back of the XT-120 so I have the power connector done it's working I go back to Linux I put it on and holy crap it doesn't show up

and I'm like did I break it so I go back to Windows I put the card back on it's working perfectly I go back to Linux and I go Wait, I've got the Volta cards working now. This is great. The 5090's not showing up. Oh my God.

You cannot on Fedora, at least, or maybe Linux at all. I don't know. You cannot have two different versions of the Nvidia drivers. You cannot. The GV-100s need an older legacy driver path, and the 5090 doesn't support that, and the GV-100s do not support the newer driver. And unlike Windows, where you can have two

completely separate GPU drivers, you simply, one simply cannot have multiple Nvidia drivers installed. Yeah, Demonstir says I ran into that. Yeah. But there's... You got the GV100's working, though. But there's good news. I kind of went, okay, well, forget the 5090, maybe I don't need it.

I've got the GV100's working now. So I fired up Odyssey and I was like, oh, yeah. like Quinn 3.6 is like the hotness right now there's all these different like various quantizations and whatever and so I like download a few of them

and every single one that I go to run it won't like initialize it won't it won't work and I was like oh my God it has first generation tensor cores that just straight up do not support anything anymore

anything new anything good doesn't matter how much V RAM I have unless I want to run like old-ass ancient models they're basically EOL, they're useless.

There was no point in me fighting with getting them working at all. It doesn't support it at all? It doesn't just go slower. It just literally doesn't support it. They literally do not support the right,

I think it's like FP8. They do not support. They do not. I'd have to look at the exact terminology because it was like three in the morning by this point. I guess I didn't understand. understand it because I thought it would just run it a lot slower.

Nope. Because it wasn't optimized for it. I didn't realize it just wouldn't run it at all. Nope. Hmm, that has a lot of the fun ideas I had just cooked right off the top. So at this point, I go, well, time to rip those off the bench. The good news is I grabbed that RTX 5090 because, and I have now fixed it. So you at least have that on hand.

And I have now realized that, oh, no, I've gotten further since then. And I have now fixed it. I can put that on the bench. I had to scrub the old drivers, which as part of getting the old drivers working, I had like explicitly blocked proper newer drivers from being, from automatically loading because otherwise Fedora would try to do that. Sure, yeah.

So I had to go and unblock it, which is like I'm going straight back to Gemini for that because there's no way I remember anything that I did for that. I finally get it working. And that's where I left off. Okay. Oh, actually, no, that isn't quite where I left off because I also found a water-cooled 50-90 that nobody was using from the murder box builds.

So you're going to have a water-cooled 50-90 and a Frankenstein one. Link together. And I am like super... Trap to each other. I'm like super, super, super close. I am very, very poorly rested this week. But, yes, ultimately got them working. It was a total pain in the butt.

But you know what? I'm glad it was actually fun. It was probably the most fun that I've had building a stupid... Playing with hardware again. Test bench, yeah. Yeah. I haven't had a good reason. This is going to blow some people's minds.

Remember back when the 5090 launched, and there was that whole like saga with me and ploof. Who's going to pre-order one? Who's going to go through with it? You know, and ultimately, he didn't end up taking his pre-order. and I bought it off of him. That was how it ended. So probably about a month ago,

he changed his mind and was like, I want a 50-90. And I was like, funny coincidence, I never installed it. I literally have been running a 7,900 XTX

in my main rig upstairs that I actually very rarely use for gaming these days. mostly it's just like my I do work at that one yeah and I have a 3080 downstairs I had a 5090 in my house for literally months installing GPUs in my computers in fairness to me is super inconvenient with the with like the land machines are those like one you like crazy ones you need to find a compatible water block. You need to like get in there and get everything all drained out and like probably rearrange the internals in order to get a different shape card in there. It's nightmare. And then in my main rig, everything is, everything's water cooled. And there's also some like like

gunk in it because I never actually cleaned that one out. So I would have to go like like like pipe cleaner every tube and take apart every block and clean every block before I would want to put a new stupid block in that system so that it doesn't get all gunked up. So in fairness to me it is super inconvenient to install a GPU for me but um i was like oh sorry yeah you do you want it back at the price you paid he's like yes because they've gone i think they've gone up like a thousand dollars u.s since then or something like that so i was like okay um anyway coming coming back to that um for my for gaming like i haven't been motivated to like the 3080s still pretty good 7900 xx

still pretty good as long as I don't want to turn on rate tracing that's a fast card and so this is like the first time in literally years that I've been like oh like the fastest hard I just want the fastest hardware

and what do I have how much of it can I shove in there like you sent me that photo of I think it was the 2GV 100s and you had the shoot what is the name of the Intel storage thing

Optane? You had the Optane drive in there. And like that photo is sick, dude. I haven't seen a photo like that where I thought it made any sense at all in years, man. Like so many years. That picture goes pretty hard. Like I remember

jam, right? And it all matters. This is getting me exciting again. Right, it's fun. Like this is what modern computing is about. And then you're going back in time. And you're like, Are you ready?

Dha. You guys got it. But it is fun anyway. Look at that. Isn't that? It's 2007. Look, you've got a VGA connector, like,

PS2 keyboard, maybe, I don't know. This is awesome. And you're, you're laying a fan down on top of the Gbues to give a little bit more. Gotta get some airflow in there.

It's just fun. It's not enough zap straps. It's just cool, man. Damn. I love stuff like this. That photo made me, made me happy. I was kind of, man, I'm sad about, I, yeah, I guess I just, I didn't dive into it enough, but I was, I was thinking about, if you link three, sorry, you can go ahead and show that, hold on, we'll let Luke go for.

Yeah, I got to stop giggling. You link three 1080s together, you get 24 gigs of VRAM. If you link two 1080s, TIs, you get 22 gigs of VRAM, but they're, they're so old. But if you're running older models, I think you can get away with it. But what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to make it so my back garage opens automatically when it sees my pink motorcycle. So I'm going to need some pretty... You're not going to be able to let that keep running, because you said that on the show now. No, it'll be fine. Because I can also tie it to other triggers.

I would never put that on its own. Okay. Yeah, there's lots of other triggers that you can bake into it that people could know that and it wouldn't help them. at all. Okay. Yeah, so my goal... As long as you're, yeah, for sure, doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't, I can't... Dude, the neighbor... Like someone just walks by your backgrounds with a picture of a big bike. The neighbor could ride their little, their little trike. Yeah, exactly. And they open up my garage. Yeah, absolutely not.

So, yeah, what you can, what you can do is you can... You know what? I won't get into too much detail, but there's other, there's other gates that you can set it to have to pass in order for it to actually activate the automation. Yeah. Um, and not just that, but I want to do a whole bunch of like machine vision based automations. Because that was kind of the whole idea of wiring up my house with all these like cameras and

stuff. Like, why am I ever manually opening the Sonos app? That's crazy with all the tech that I piped into that place. I mean, I think it was like one of the super old school hacker movies. I think it was like the, the guy, in the movie who was supposed to basically be Bill Gates, but wasn't actually Bill Gates, I think, had this thing where whenever he individually was the one that walked into a room, it would play the music that he liked. And that was like from forever ago. And that I know you can like kind antitrust. Yeah. Antitrust movie. Yeah. Is it actually Bill Gates or is it just supposed to be someone who's like him? It's like obviously supposed to be him.

Yeah. Stephen Bills. Yeah, sure. But yeah, he had a bunch of like cool home automation stuff. Yeah. I remember thinking about how awesome it would be. But those things have always been like, I don't know, pretty flawed, I find. You could get Sonos playing everywhere. Maybe you could have it start playing if it detected somebody who was in the room. But is it really going to know that it's you? is it going to know that it's your music specifically because you're in the room? How does it deal when there's conflicts of multiple people in there? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think I can, I think I can, I won't be fussy enough that it has to be, you know, me necessarily.

Sure. And I think I can, it'll be enough for me if the system just even gets used. Because right now the friction of the Sonosap kind of sucking and not having that, that conveying. casting like it used to have with Google Play music is enough that it gets used but not nearly as much as I would like for it to like I could see something like the backyard as simple as hey if you see people back here play 90's greatest hits sure just at all because usually that's what we'll put on if there's like a pool party or something and someone can override it if they want but at least it starts playing something just use the damn thing yeah just start playing something yeah Dan, you can go ahead and throw up my amazing solder bodge jobs. Believe it or not, this is actually better than what we had. So there was no capton tape, or there was just capton tape in between that red and black terminal before. Both wires were red and they were so heavy and so stiff that they put a ton of strain on these like flat connectors that were coming out. Also that little green wire. Everything is now shrink wrapped, which is a massive impressive. And a lot of the just like burn a nation on here is from the first time around. Yeah, look at that discoloration just above it. Yep.

Right. Yep. Wow. That's crunchy. Yep. So, okay, I'm not going to lie. Some of that discoloration is from when I was melting off the old like, like freaking cooked pea worth of solder that was on that.

That was just sitting on that connector. There's a, there's a shot of it like now cleaned up and finished. There you go. That's what it looks like now. You compare that to what was in the video? This is a, I promise you, Mondo improvement. Yeah.

And then there's a picture of the chickies. Yeah, you've got some helpers. Wow. That's cute. That's probably gonna be my house soon. Just hanging out with the drive sleds. You can't get three. You've got to get like 15.

You know that, Luke, right? Well, what might save us, and Emma, if you're listening, what might save us is like, I mean, they could bring bird-born things that could hurt our birds, you know? Maybe.

Maybe. I mean, they're babies, so like... Shush. Stop it. The only birds don't ever be born anywhere near is yours. Stop. I mean, that's just how infectious diseases were. Oh my God.

Oh! Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, that could be a big problem. Yeah, thanks. Who did the... Totally. I covered you.

Is it not you who did the first one? Oh, wow. Okay, so for... Speaking of malware. For reference. It's kind of... Yeah, that's what it looked like before. So, um...

Wow. That's terrifying. Yeah, so you could see how stiff the wires were. Yeah, wow. And they were super heavy. So they were putting all that strain on the world's sketchiest solder job that was even worse than what I just did and showed you. And this is supposed to be better than the 2x12 or whatever it is?

Well, it's, um, it doesn't. I mean, it won't melt the connector. I can tell you that much. Yeah, but it's going to look at it wrong. It's going to snap off. And then it's going to go into the fan and then there's sparks everywhere. Yeah. And then your house burns down.

And then if you move your mouse up a little bit, you can see how we just had the four-pin sense wire. them, see them, go across the fan there? To the right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we just had them kind of running off of the stubs of the old connectors. So I did that little green wire instead to just bridge it, which is definitely better. And then under all that electrical tape that's between the power supply connector, up, there you go. Oh. Under that was each six terminations going into one giant, with eyes like a,

with a whole like donuts on them. Like I don't know what to call them other than like an eye, like kind of like an eye hook but flat for, you know. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what those connectors are called. The point is six stacked like like washers. And then one giant washer on the other side.

And then like them bolted together. Just like sandwiched together by a big bolt. It was scary. So my new one, the cable hits a mess. max after a one-hour firm-arck session of about 48, 49 degrees, which apparently is within range. Anywhere from like 45 to 60 is considered normal for the 12 volt 2x6 cable. So we good.

So I still have the XTE 120. That big yellow thing is still there, but it doesn't put nearly as much strain because it's not like hanging a foot over top of it, like out into the void. Silicon wires are nice too. Love those. Yeah, big difference. Hmm. Okay, so did you get it actually running? Not yet.

This was like not last night because Hacksmith and Plasma Channel came over last night, but the night before. Dude, it's so, the world is so funny. I had never heard of the Plasma Channel until two weeks ago at Computex. I did a video on an ionic cooling fan thing and the comment section of that video was just flooded with plasma channel you collab with plasma channel plasma channel I'm like the fuck is plasma channel um this one yeah yeah and uh so I'd like never heard of them until that moment

and then James messages me yesterday morning he's like hey we happen to be in town we got nothing going on I'm here with like plasma channel Like didn't really ring a bell yet But they just show up They show up in the evening after After a pool party for my daughter And

And I kind of go I like finally start putting it together And he's like mentioning what he does in his channel And how he's like super into that I'm like wait No like you're like really into ionic Ironic frusters and ionic fans and stuff He's like oh yeah that's like my thing

And I'm like, wait, you're the guy that everyone was telling me that I needed to meet. Two weeks. Two weeks from me accidentally making a video about an ionic thruster. And him sitting in my backyard trying Ukrainian borsh for the first time because my aunt dropped some off. And he's just an adventurous guy, I guess. Because I showed it to him. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, it's like beats and cabbage.

And that's unusual. And he's like, oh, sure. Yeah, this is great. So yeah, we hung out. We rode go-karts. We played some ultimate chicken. I hope he sounds exactly like that. No, no, no, not exactly like that.

Well, no, basically that. Super nice guy. Yeah, super nice guy. Like Hacksmith, I've met a lot of times. We've hung out. Known him for years and years. But, yeah, Plasma Channel. Never met him.

They were in town for something. And I forget where I was going with this. But, oh, right, that's why I didn't work on it last night. So I didn't work on it last night. But I did work on it the night before. And I am at the point of I've got models downloaded and I can

I'm at the point where I can tell it I want it to work across a couple of GPUs and I can click like deploy but it like doesn't because I'm getting some errors so I just need to work my way through those errors so I'm getting close to actually being able to interact with my chatbot and yes to everyone talking about frigate yes I'm aware of frigate and I will be using frigate it's like it's actually pretty lightweight you totally don't need anything super overpowered.

But I'm kind of, I'm wanting to figure out the cutting edge software, and I see no reason. If, I mean, if the GPUs were just sitting there anyway, I'm seeing no reason not to use them. I wish I had a picture. I was looking for this earlier of how I have the water-cooled one set up. But the whole thing is pretty janky. you know i i find it interesting that you stuck with linx because odysseus works on windows yeah but i don't feel

like that's the right way to do it i agree and i respect that you stuck with linux and i don't even think that's being like linux pill this is effectively a server yeah and you should you should try to do it on linux in my perfect world right i am not running odysseus on my desktop anyway No, this is, yeah. Everything that I said at the end of Linux challenge about for my job, needing to daily Windows is still true. And so I, here, actually, I have a, here, this is from my security camera, I'll just send that to Dan. So everything that I said is still true. But in my perfect world, all of this stuff, like my local LLM stuff, or like, you know, Yvonne's helper for kids scheduling, like, or whatever agent that I have chipping away on finally finishing.

that cat turn project or you know whatever right like whatever's running would be in the server rack yeah it wouldn't be my daily driver machine anyway you could you could communicate with it through like discord yeah exactly yeah so there's there's no reason for it to be my daily driver desktop anyway okay yeah so that's it this is the current state of things right now so you can see the squeeze bottle is still there from having just filled that radiator tower that's next to it. Yeah. That's actually, um, the heck is that? Could be a problem. That's the Bixie

external rad box that we did a video on a while back where Alex and I found that it had a fundamentally flawed design. You can actually see in the very top where there's there's two fillports. There's a black one at the back and then there's a silver one next to it. Yeah. Um, Alex and I found the fundamental flaw and so I took it home and I fixed it. You have to put a second fill port in it so that there's somewhere for the air to go when you fill it. Because otherwise, it took me and Alex, like, quite literally hours to fill this thing

because there was no way for the air and water to exchange. Now, you can fill it from empty in, like, two minutes because you can just put it in and the air can escape. Loki's fast, man. Sorry, I just... I don't even understand how he does that sometimes, but... Oh, Pankrats pointed out, we used it in the All-Transparent PC more recently

if you want to see the modified version, So I fixed the Philport issue, and then I think Justin cut a new, like, transparent LTT panel for it. It actually looks really cool now. It's because there were RGB fans in it, but there was no transparent side panel. And we're like, they did not only put the fans in, but they put the controller in. Like, Pixie, what are you doing, brother? So, yeah, so that thing, I've had it at home so that I can put the 1U machines on the bench. Because all the water coming in from the pool that cools those machines.

is over by the rack and that's not a good place to work on them when there's an issue or whatever so it allows me to take them off the bench and then hook them up to something so right now I won't be able to do that so I'm probably going to have to come up with a more permanent solution

for cooling that GPU but I think I'll do that after I actually determine that I can do anything useful with this thing but for now yeah I've got the two 5090s in there Sapphire Rapids is PCAE Gen 5 so they can communicate over PCAGen 5 at least that's better than

nothing. It's got 256 gears of RAM, 56 core CPU or something like that. So it's like ridiculously powerful. And then, so what I want to do is without hardware bottlenecks, I want to just kind of figure this stuff out. Like I used to have fun with it, you know? Like how it used to be fun.

I was messaging you about this too, but that's why I'm so excited and it sucks and everything costs so damn much, but that's why I'm so excited about locally hosted AI's. It's just kind of fun again. Those ancient as GV-100s are still going for like $2,000 on eBay. Well, this is why, and I wonder, I'm sure you can run something on them.

Oh, I'm sure you can. No, I don't mean those. I mean, what is interesting to me is that a 1080s of like $100. Yeah. That's that, I figured that out because I was loaning one to a buddy, and he gave it back. And I was like, you don't have to give his back to me. And he was like, well, it's worth something. And I looked into it, and it was $100.

And I was like, well, that's kind of interesting, really. Because that's the cheapest way that I can think of that you can get 24 gigs of VRAM is strapping three of those together. And there's a lot of 1080s floating around. Okay, hear me out. I'm going to send another picture to Dan if I can find it. Shoot, I took this picture at, I took this picture at Computex. Already broken 104 scenes. We're at records now.

104 scenes. Yeah, I have 104. Or do you not clean them up? No, I need all of them. Oh. But. Okay, that's a little unexpected. Shoot, I can't find it, but I found a company that may.

Oh, I found it. Okay. So it sounds to me, Luke, like you need one of these. Yeah, someone's also bringing up RTX Titan. I'm pretty sure I messaged Linus about specifically RTX Titans because there are 2000 series cards that have 24 gigs of VRAM. Okay. like insane.

How fun, how much, okay, even if it's like crappy, how much fun would it be to do a build? Dan, throw it up. Zoom in on the top right one. What is this? Oh my God. How much would you love to fill that with like 1080s? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Oh, that's fun.

It's about 20. So you could do about 2010, 2010 80s on that. At that point in time you're getting into the range where you have enough money That you should probably just have bought something else It would be it would be bottlenecked to crap because I would imagine they would need to go all the way back out To your system before they And the uplink to that couldn't be faster than like 16x or at most 32x anyway That seems that yeah someone else is saying crypto miner motherboard. Yeah it feels like more like a

That's not a mother's board. Mining, uh, not, yeah. No, that's, no, no, that's like enterprise stuff. That's not for, that's not for crypto mining. I wonder what they're using it for. Um, lots of GPUs, apparently. Yeah, but what, what application? I'm not sure. I, I, I, I meant to contact those guys after the show and I haven't gotten around to it yet. Bat, bat country five seconds per token. 10 sets of 1080s S library. Okay, relax. Relax. The whole idea is why I want to check out the RTX Titan and the 1080 is because they're, I actually don't know how much RTX Titans are going on.

Rod says this is like running raid on floppy disks. Ha ha ha ha. Oh man. I read something somewhere that I think it was like the 580 or something was the first card at Nvidia that Invidia was like messing around with, AI application stuff. It's like quite a while ago actually. Oh, like the second Kuda card, like that 580.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. Which is interesting. Obviously, none of the models that like matter are necessarily going to run on that. But it's interesting. That's kind of what sparked my interest of like how far back could you go? It is a little sad. How are they still worth anything?

Anything. Yeah. There's a water cooled one that someone wants two hundred dollars for it's not gonna have got some bad news for you bro these fittings are worth about as much as this card yeah the scrap copper is a significant amount of the value you're saying that now you want to buy 20 of them so like you're gonna do okay one two here's two can we find more hydro copper one and a half gigs of v ram each how they're all going for a bunch yeah there's no one No one's buying these for that, though.

New inbox? What is this thing? This isn't 580. This is something else. Oh, this is RTX something. Oh, this is just a water block. Okay. Hilarious.

Hilarious. Oh, yeah. Someone found two GTX 580s in SLA are responsible for the AI we have today. Jensen Huang revealed that the invention of deep learning began with two flagship Fermi GPUs. in 2012. That's crazy. Yeah, so that made me think, like, how far back can we go while still pushing the V-RAM

limiter to models that can still be helpful? And you know what? Maybe you don't get to the sick new models, but maybe you still can run something pretty helpful. Like, I wouldn't be too surprised if some of your home automation stuff could be run on much more simple models. Oh, it could. A hundred percent. Of some of that stuff could run on like

a 10, sorry, a 10. could run on like probably a 30, 60, 30, 70. So a big part of the reason that I wanted to run the newer stuff, though, is I want to be able to do agentic stuff. No, yeah, absolutely. I'm just, and like both, honestly, the whole spectrum is really interesting to me. Yeah. Like, you know, having some, like, really insane hardware at home and doing some really cool stuff. Or I've been talking about this forever, mainframe style things.

Obviously, it's not mainframe. I just really like using that terminology. and I think it gets the point across of what I'm trying to describe, even though it's not the thing. But mainframe style big AI servers for local company use. Yeah.

That's also very interesting to me. Wicked hardware at home, I'm planning on getting something. It won't be 25090s, but I'm planning on getting something pretty beast. I don't have the hardware locked down yet, but working on it. Stay the path says agents are crazy.

I'm having a hard time focusing on schoolwork because I just keep wanting them to do more shit. Yeah. Give it a, give it a... give it access to some voice thing and then invite it to a Discord call and interact with it that way. Very funsy, buddy. One of my buddies was talking me about how he did that and he would just like, he could message it on Discord, but sometimes it would be easier because he's working on something to just have it join the Discord call.

Then he could just ask it questions that way. And I was like, that's nuts, dude. That's crazy. And that was honestly a while ago, but this guy, Silas, you're out there. He's been on the edge of things for a long time. But yeah, I'm also interested kind of down on the other end of the spectrum on like, what can I get done? Like if I just finally, or maybe I'm holding onto my 1080 and I'm planning to finally upgrade when the 6000 series comes out, what do I, what do I like, you know, like machine god Warhammer strap my 1080 into now to make it just keep doing work? A raspy?

What can I still glean out of this thing? It's continued to play games this whole time somehow. What can I now make it do? And without having done anything with it in full ignorance, I feel like you could probably do a decent amount with these, with, you know, some smaller models. Maybe you find a couple of your buddies are also upgrading off 1080s, or you find a couple on Facebook Marketplace for 80, 90, 100 bucks,

and you strap a couple of them together. like what can you do with 16 gigs of VRAM in 21080s? It's interesting. We're going to try to mess around with some of that stuff with the lab and see what happens. Cool. We're kind of taking our time a little bit and making sure we know what we're doing. But it should be good. Exciting.

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What? Luke said at the beginning of the show. He was like, it's all bad news this week. No way. This is the coolest thing ever. Is tomato anus, kind of like burst through the wall? This is incredible. It's not after Dark Dan.

Speed runners of SpongeBob SquarePants. That's what's next. Battle for Bikini Bottom on the original Xbox found that by deliberately smudging the game disc with grease and sweat, they were able to enable a time-saving glitch. This glitch is called a leg clip and is done by rapidly pausing and un-pawsing, which makes the laser skip as it seeks the menu music

which opens up level skipping opportunities. Two speed runners, shift and zim, after much effort in time, found out the winning smudge pattern. It was eight grease strokes radiating from the disc's center like flower petals, enough to cause a glitch without making the disc unreadable. Optimizing your grease patterns is so sick. The most gamer move of all gamer moves. A former champion

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leave Swagmaster Doritos out of it. I told you there was a greaseless category. Right, there is literally a greaseless category. But I do, I feel like, I feel like you got to acknowledge the greasers, man. You got to acknowledge Swagmasters and his work. How can you go fast? Without grease, sir. Yeah, yeah. You got to grease it.

Wow, that's, uh, I actually wasn't prepared for how cool that was. All right, I got something else that's actually, you know, okay, maybe not cool, but definitely better than what we had before. Remember when co-pilot plus PCs launched And like the whole selling point was that you needed a fancy dedicated NPU on your laptop processor to get local AI Which if you're me seemed pretty stupid When you already had a whole bunch of tensor cores or AI cores or freaking Kuta core some kind of You already had a bunch of stuff in your computer already? Practically nothing ever used the NPU anyways

Well Microsoft is quietly testing away to run those same features on a regular old discrete GPU. Wow. Yeah, right, the way it probably should have been from the start. This change was spotted by Windows latest in the GitHub repo for the experimental Windows app SDK 2.2, which now lets the language model APIs run on Nvidia, RtX30 series, or newer cards that have at least 6 gigs of VRAM. It is strictly developer-facing now.

It only works if you're on the Windows Insider Experimental Channel with developer mode turned on, and Microsoft warns the whole thing could change your decision. appear in a future release. Of course. When Microsoft launched Copilot Plus PCs in 2024, the whole pitch was you needed a special machine with at least 40 tops NPU to get these AI features. But the irony is that NPUs were never actually more powerful than GPUs for this stuff. They're just power efficient, which matters for laptop battery life, but not very much

for a plugged-in desktop with a gaming cart. For now, this only covers the language model API layer, things like text summarization. rewriting and editing. The headline Copilot Plus features like ClickToDo and Recall are still NPU only. But this lines up with Microsoft's messaging at Build 2026 where it dropped the Copilot Plus branding

and talked about AI running across CPUs, GPUs and NPUs. Adoption of Copilot Plus PCs reportedly lagged because people didn't want to buy new hardware for features they saw as gimmicks and even Adele exec admitted at CES that consumers just plain weren't buying LAPS laptops because of AI. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially when like, I really think most people are interacting with LLMs through a chat window and a browser. The vast majority of people. And I'm the, oh, we should have more local stuff guy. And I'm saying that. Like, it's just, it's just reality, man.

Our discussion question is Microsoft spent two years telling people they needed a new NPU equipped processor for these AI features. Now, graphics card people can just do it with their stupid GPU that they already freaking own. Was the NPU requirement ever really about capability? I mean, clearly not. As far as I can tell, a big part of it had to do with partnerships between Microsoft and the hardware guys. The Labs team was going around to a bunch of events for a while, and they were talking about how they could do these cool, new AI things with,

their various chips. I'm saying they because I'm talking about a variety of different companies. And a very common question from us was like, does it run on the NPU? Can it run in the NPU? And it was always like, no. Okay, what is this thing for? Why do you keep telling me about it's better and faster now? And then nothing runs on it anyways. And then like, it's just recall. I don't want that. So like basically the only thing that I know of that can run on this hardware that I bought Yeah It's something that I don't want Just get rid of it

Go away. I it's great. It's efficient cool. You already have the efficiency cores Just do more of those I guess Whatever more cash. Give me more cash. Sure, that'd be great Give me something literally literally anything. Just not that. My God Oh, here's a fun one. Dual Sense PC gamers finally get haptic support. That's cool.

Though no thanks to Sony. Sony DualSense controllers haptics now work on PC over Bluetooth ending the longstanding requirement to plug the controller in via USB. This breakthrough comes from DSX, whose new beta can expose a virtual dual sense to games,

allowing supported titles to send native haptics effects wirelessly. Cool. The DSX beta doesn't just enable wireless haptics. It also adds Bluetooth tooth controller audio support for the dual sense on PC. So audio features tied to the controller can also work without needing a wired connection. Still, it is worth noting that this is a third-party solution,

and Sony has not delivered native wireless dual sense haptics for PC. So, all right, in classic PC fashion, the community ended up solving the problem on its own, which actually leads me not to our discussion question for this one, but to something else entirely that I want to talk about. I was uh... The reviews of DSX are pretty mixed. Yeah, I've heard that. David said that

plugged in is still the more reliable way to do it, but it is in beta. So that's why I wasn't going to go at them too hard about that. Sure. So, you know,

make of that what you will. The DSX software looks like it's not in beta. Maybe that features in beta? I think so. Hold on. The note says, DSX beta doesn't just enable

wireless haptics. It also adds Bluetooth controller audio support. That's, I'm going by so on the note. But yeah, I think it was actually David I was chatting with about this. And you know how we've talked about how there's going to be like a great e-wastening coming?

Because it used to be that enterprise hardware could be repurposed for consumers. Like, you know, those old like Zion motherboard chip combos that you could buy on like AliExpress and stuff. I had a bit of a, I had a bit of a brainstorm slash moment of hope that maybe these proprietary closed systems

that exist now instead of that stuff that can be repurposed maybe there's a path to it hear me out for a second one of the challenges to repurposing like zions and epic processors

that are going into servers these days for gaming rigs is that the motherboards use these proprietary form factors that are basically unusable, you know, for, for, for, for, for, desktop purposes, like the, a lot of them, they, they, they won't even have PCIE slots on the main motherboard because it goes out to like a riser that's like way over off on the other side of the chassis or they're using, uh, or they're using, uh, you know, PCIE over cables to run to,

or they're using like mezzanine cards or, you know, whatever, like completely not desktop stuff. Um, but it got me kind of thinking. Where did the boards come from in the first place for those, for those like old Zeon, you know, Frankenstein machines? It was, it was from enterprising, usually Chinese companies with some help from Russian firmware writers, taking the motherboards, hacking chipsets out of them, and then completely remanufacturing them. So, hold on, let's keep going again. another thing that is going to sort of cause this great e-wastening is that many

pieces of enterprise hardware are no longer even running x86 they're running like amazon's gravitan arm-based CPUs or arms own what do they call them um like their their aGI line of CPUs but we're watching in real time Linux

gain not just gaming compatibility but also arm compatibility at a rapid rate we're watching Windows gain arm compatibility although I'm less hopeful about these weird CPUs working on Windows what's the Linux project that's still working on

Apple Silicon compatibility oh yeah I don't know the name of top of here but there is one I can I'm trying to remember what it is Asahi Asahi Linux is still working on on porting apple silicon. I believe they've booted. Like they've made significant progress.

It's not like fast or super usable yet. But hear me out. Sounds like that I think it's Japanese like beer brand. Hear me out at the point where this boom of purchasing that is going on right now is starting to reach end of life and is going to be making its way into the wild, into the disposal slash reseller ecosystem, right? Its value will be very low because there won't be really anything to do with it. So the kinds of enterprising individuals in, you know, East Asia who did cool things before,

I see you've actually, oh wait, you've got something else entirely going on over there. It's cool. We'll get to that in a second. we'll have this glut of basically discarded hardware. Over that like five years from now period, support for Arm and gaming and Linux especially will get way better. Is there a possibility?

The GPUs are going to be mostly useless for gaming anyway, but might be usable for HomeLab, I guess, but we've got these like weird tower form factors and stuff. Okay, so that's what this is about. Oh, seriously? NV link to PCIE madness, basically. That I had heard...

Wait, sorry, these are SMX? Or, sorry, SXM, excuse me. SXM V... XXM to... To PCIE slot? Is that what I'm looking at here? Through two cables, something. I haven't exactly dove into this,

but I heard about this. So they don't have direct 3D at all from my understanding. So this won't be a solution for gaming. No. But to be able to use them for HomeLab or, you know, like... Maybe it's not going to be that bad. Running local models or whatever.

I think we'll be able to do something with this stuff. Yeah. I'm pretty confident, considering this is already happening. Yeah. I'm pretty confident that there's going to be something. Because I was feeling really doom and gloom about it. Like, all these CPUs are basically going to be garbage. But like Epic.

Epic's an SOC. I think a lot of people don't actually realize that. Epic doesn't have a motherboard chip set. You can add features to it. You can add I.O. functions that would normally be handled by a motherboard chip set to it. But you don't have to. The memory controller is right on the chip. Everything you need to operate that chip is right on the chip.

And so nothing would really prevent you if Epic chips were cheap enough. If they were worthless enough, nothing would really prevent an enterprising individual from creating a motherboard for it, kind of like they have that I'm aware of anyway. 3D Pro says SXM2 is old. I don't see SXM5 to PCI yet. No, you don't see it yet. But what we're talking about is this AI buildout boom that's happening right now. The money that will be involved in that will be enormous. And there hasn't exactly been a lot of SXXM.

5 hardware that's just like flooding the not yet yeah because nobody is nobody is decommissioning those systems yet there's no GPU supply yet yet though there will be a time and that stuff from today will still be pretty useful like everything that you can do with an lLM today like an enterprise grade one you'll be able to do on this now discarded grade hardware because the frontier models will have moved way past it. And if they want to have any hope of monetizing it, they're not going to be running five, six, seven-year-old GPUs. So I don't know.

I just, I had a moment of maybe this isn't going to be great, but it's not going to be as bad as I thought. Yeah. And I found, I found a couple boards that claim to be SXM-5, blah, blah, blah. I don't know if any of this is legit, even in the slightest, it's on eBay, massive question marks everywhere.

but when this would be more kind of viable, you know, I believe pretty strongly in the enterprising abilities of people staring down the barrel of an incredible amount of extremely valuable, currently unusable hardware that they can get their hands on for practically nothing. And if they could adapt it to something, they could sell for tons. There's so much incentive there, I believe someone will figure. it out. Yeah. Speaking of incentives.

At that point, just use the frontier models at $20 a month. I feel like you maybe haven't been paying attention to the news, sir. Yeah. $20 a month, $20 for five minutes of tokens maybe? It's been... Especially when your agents are off there spending tokens on your behalf. Dude, it's been very interesting looking at the control panels of things like GitHub. Because the, oh, by the way, the tokens are there,

cost an incredible amount and also unlimited whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all happened while I was away. It's okay. It's all right. Not only did we already have a cap on it on the org level, so it was all right, but also all of the full plane developers were like, wow, that's scary and just like didn't really use it until I came back. So everyone was cool. and also there was a safeguard in place so it was all right so both things were true but the yeah the full plane crew's got your back

they didn't spend a billion dollars while you're gone yeah it's nice to have team members who look I've always said I've always said it I don't mind spending money I will spend money you guys have seen me spend money I don't like wasting money and it's nice to have people who are on board with that, like, hey, and if they need to use it, let's talk about that.

And they've used it a little bit, but it's mostly like, I find the like inline IDE usage of this stuff to be very different than blah, blah, blah, anyways, they have a different form of using it than just like chatbotting. But there, man, it is, there was a screenshot of someone who did like, I think it was like, I think it was like, five different prompts and it costed over 50 bucks using some of the like nicer models it's uh we're getting into the find out range of things not not completely everywhere but like and oh man all right the chatter i feel like this has been like the first time the door really opened to like we're going to start charging you for stuff, you know. But the chatter that's already happening about people starting to run models locally, because, you know, as much as AWS has gotten a lot of companies used to just like open bills,

basically, like things can just, they'll just cost whatever they cost. Yeah, invoice me, Daddy. As much as, as much as AWS has gotten people used to that, these AI models and the ability for individual employees to spend. to just crush your wallet. Just so easily. And in a way that might be genuinely a mistake, in a way that might be malicious,

but they can show in 10 trillion different ways that it wasn't. Or just stupid and useless? Or just stupid and useless. Or just the huge range of things that could make it cost incredible amounts of money. Or for things that they're actually ultimately doing personally. And you might put a cap, but you might put an org-wide cap

and then that person spends the whole orgs cap. Or you might do individual user caps, but this user might on day one of the month spend their entire budget through a mistake and then do you give them more budget and blah, blah, blah, who knows? But there's been a lot of conversations about, like, you know what's a fairly fixed

or at least measurable because of the energy? Yeah, because power. Hardware that you own. Yeah. It's almost like hardware that you own was always the better deal if you could afford it up front. because renting has always made sense in the context of I can't buy it.

And you might still want to do that. You might still want to do that. You might. Because every once in a while you might want the incredible potential of a frontier model. But a lot of the time, I don't know, not really all that necessary. You can just run it on your own. Especially if you're just asking it to like, you know, oh, hey, I'm working with. this new API. I've never worked with it before. How would I do this? Can you find the documentation

for this for me? And then it's giving you the documentation. If you're learning, if you're using it as like a learning accelerator, one of the people on the team was talking about how they don't, they don't like using its output. They don't like using it that way. But they might use it to help get them to, you know, find that documentation for me. Then they can learn it themselves or whatever. You don't need some crazy frontier model for that.

No. So, whatever. Just use the cheaper one that you have locally. Hey, I've got another cool thing. Mr. There's no

good news this week. With demand for DDR4 platforms rising, Intel is rumored to be preparing Raptor Lake next for

release in early 2027. The Raptor Lake Next series would exist side by side with Nova Lake. Next.

to help meet demand for both DDR4 and DDR5 platforms respectively. Huh. This speculation comes, as many vendors are increasing production of DDR4 motherboards, due to the inflated costs of DDR5 that are making LGA 1151 and AM5 unaffordable. This comes on the heels of AMD announcing a re-engineered Rizzen 7, 5800 X3D anniversary edition, with Team Red expecting DDR5 prices to remain high for at least the next couple of years. The good news spin on this one is, I don't know if you guys remember this from back when DDR5 launched, but DDR5 ain't that much faster than DDR4 for gaming workloads.

There are places where DDR5 is a big benefit, and businesses may ultimately have to spring for expensive DDR5. But every gamer who doesn't need to buy DDR5 might help to balance the current situation and help keep people. things overall a little more affordable. David and I were working on a computer that was meant to compete with a different computer recently. Yeah. Yeah. And we actually talked through, hey, DDR4 or DDR5.

And right now, one of the challenges is that while DDR4 is about half the price of DDR5 at sort of a similar tier, so if we were looking at like a 6,000 megatransfer DDR5 and like a like a like a like a 3200 you know kind of lowish latency kit so I'd say there's kind of our equivalence or so it's about half the price and motherboards on the DDR4 side are actually still substantially cheaper but where you're running into trouble is there aren't great options for like gaming CPUs for DDR4 even AMD's re-released 500 x3d is pretty darn expensive yes it doesn't match I was really surprised at how expensive it was the I'm buying an old platform so I could save money vibe.

Yeah. At all. Like at all. It's a few hundred bucks, isn't it? Uh, yeah. I think it's like 300.

I think it's 329 U.S. If I recall correctly, don't quote me on that. The U.S. on that really turns the knife. Yeah. So it's like 400 and 450 bucks almost. My God.

Yeah. Um, but throwing more supply onto the pile is always a good thing. More competition is always a good thing. 350. So seeing Intel come back into the game could put pressure on AMD. And again, the more people who are like, okay, I'm going to buy some DDR4 stuff, the less pressure there is on DDR5.

And DDR4 is not necessarily using the same cutting-edge fabs that DDR-5 would. You can get decent DDR4 out of Chinese vendors like CXMT, who actually is also making TDR5 now. The more we can use the supply from the various sources that we have it, the better it will be for keeping pricing from spiraling completely even more out of control. So I'm bullish on this.

I think it's pretty cool. But hey, what do I know? I was bullish on the new leadership at Xbox. Well, actually, I don't know if I was bullish. I was cautiously willing to, willing to watch and see if things went well. And so far it's not looking that great. So what you're going to say?

Speaking of watching and seeing if things went well, snap specs alive. $2,200 augmented reality smart glasses announced, along with availability and specs. The highly wearable, I believe they said, glasses, look kind of the opposite of that. Look at his poor ear. Bricks on your face. Look at what happened to this man's poor ear. Wow. Fascinating.

You know what, though? I mean, look, if you're going to wear doofy-ass smart glasses, they might as well look like that. Might as well embrace being goofy. This is like, I embrace my freaking bottle glass thick, freaking giant rimmed glasses this is me

I apologize to no one for anything I can respect it I wouldn't want to wear them but I can I can respect it hilarious sorry you were saying is this snap like the app

yeah yeah that snap I forgot they were doing this yeah I remember this was announced forever ago but anyways at the recent

augmented World Expo Snap revealed specs of their first fully standalone Why is this here? Specs, their first fully standalone AR glasses aimed at regular consumers. The specs will run you 2,200 USD and pre-orders are open set to ship this fall in the US, UK and France.

Notably, Snap is the first to actually sell standalone true AR glasses, beating meta, Apple, and Google. You can probably see why if you look at them. as you can use these to place virtual objects and interfaces into the real world and are fully standalone. They are running SnapOS, Snap's proprietary platform. What a weird world that Snapchat is the company doing this, but whatever.

The specs have, as far as specs go, two Qualcomm SnapDragon chips, one dedicated to computer vision and spatial awareness and the other one to run the user interface, an in-house liquid crystal on silicon L-C-OS display with an FOV of 51 amazing degrees. 132 grams for the smaller. Smaller. Smaller is doing a lot of work in this sentence. 47 millimeter frame, 136 grams for the larger 52 millimeter version. Auto-tinting lenses that change states in about 10 seconds compared to meta-ray bands

that can take around a minute. What? That's pretty cool. Why does it take so long? I mean, transitions take a little while. I don't know much about how they work, to be perfectly honest with you. Yeah, but if it's going through that, like,

you know, when you apply a charge to it. Oh, it's not that. Hmm, I wonder what it is. What you can actually do with them, real-time, turn-by-turn navigation, a floating adjustable web browser, live language translation, gesture control,

and spatial AI, that answers contextual questions about what you're looking at. Snaps demos showed things like car repair help. That's a really fast way to wreck your car. Cooking timers and... That's an expensive cooking timer. I think I have a microwave.

It's also a really expensive tape measure. It also might weigh about the same as a tape measure. Wow, fantastic. Thank you. They declined to reveal the specific chipset. display resolution, brightness, refresh rate, or camera details. Huh. So maybe we'll find out more at some point. The UK has announced a countrywide ban for social media for people under the age of 16s.

It's expected to go into effect the spring of 2027 and will include apps such as Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. One of my kids finally asked me if they could install Snapchat. Why is, why is it? Okay. Is Snapchat like popular with the kids again or something? Okay. And I'm actually, I have not answered. I haven't answered yet. Um, apparently everyone's using it to communicate. And, uh, I'm leaning no. I, um, I feel like it's one of those things that's just like, but why though? But also, you know, if all of my friends were on ICQ and my parents told me I couldn't install ICQ, I'd have been like, why are you destroying my social? Is Snapchat still trying to give you the air of it being, you know, temporal? Yeah. Yep. So.

I don't like either of those things. Yeah. Neither of those things are super good things. Yeah. The main reason why I don't like the temporal one is just because, you know, maybe your kids will know because it's been communicated. But not everyone involved in the various conversations would know. Do you mean like impermanent?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's like, oh man. And then, ah, kids are dumb. So, like, even if your kid knows that it would disappear, there you go. They might trust their friend to not take a screenshot. Or they might trust the Snapchat software to tell them if a screenshot was taken,

which is also not a thing. Yep. I don't know. I'm kind of tempted to have a talk with them that basically goes, there's always going to be another fad. Like, just open up my social tab and basically go like, here's all of the apps that I have for people to message each other in. I want you to point at how many you think I have any kind of valuable conversations in.

I think I did mean temporal, by the way. I thought it just means... pertaining to time or lasting a limited period of time rather than being eternal. Does that work? Yeah, I think so. Okay, I wasn't sure it worked in that context. Okay. I've usually used it as pertaining to time as opposed to temporary.

Ephemoral is definitely one that works, Night of Never, and Flipplane Chat says. I don't know. Either way. Yeah, either way. I think we all understood what we're talking about at this point. Basically, if you haven't used Snapchat and I haven't used it in probably a decade or more, you can send like a picture and that picture won't always exist. I don't know what the terms are. I don't know if you can open it once and it goes away.

Self-destructing is another great term for that. Sure. Or if it lasts for like a day or something like that. But there's in some way you won't be able to naturally access it through the app anymore. And it has a thing where if you take a screenshot of it, it tells the person that you receive the message from that you took a screenshot of it. But there are other ways to capture your screen, including just like another phone or a webcam

or something else that can take a picture. So yeah, part of the temptation, I think, here, is going to be to like basically go, yeah, how many of these do you think are used for meaningful connections? You know, like there's always going to be another thing. What is this offering that is not addressed, by, you know, current, you know, current solutions. Do you feel this is very important?

Why? You know, see if we can maybe just kind of talk through it. It's tough, too, though, because, like, if that is the way that all of their friends communicate, none of those arguments are going to matter to their friends, which is tough. No, but, I mean, I don't know. And maybe this is a lot to ask of a youngling. but, you know, from my point of view, um,

should have the conversation at least. If someone won't talk to me, if I'm not on their preferred messaging platform, um, then I don't really think that that was probably a very deep connection. Um, but I can also see that the other way, right? If they're sitting there going,

well, if they won't talk to me on my preferred, messaging platform, then maybe they don't care that much. I'm just having a hard time understanding the necessariness of something like a Snapchat or something like an Instagram. And maybe this is just me going full boomer here. And I see a lot of y'all.

You also have to be the really annoying person that doesn't use the thing that everyone else uses, though. It's not a great place to be. Yeah. Socially. Yeah. I get that. And it helps that they can blame you.

Yeah. It does genuinely. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Sorry, my stupid dad. Don't let me have it. Yeah. And whether or not they actually, like, believe that, that is a helpful line.

Yep. Sorry, it's. I just, uh... Flemmy or overtime. I just, I can't, um, and this is something that I, that I have honestly struggled with, basically my entire time using computers to, communicate why the actual fuck do we need so many apps for this like trillion seemed like magic i was like oh well this just solves it forever now i never have to think about it again and then trillian died

except i think it actually still exists or something but it it's not really useful anymore because you can't use it to communicate with people across you know facebook messenger and what's app and instagram dms and twitter dms and like oh my god you two is going to have DMs now. Like, what are we even doing? What is going on here? I just Googled Trillion. Yeah.

And it was like, did you, did you mean trillion the number? I was like, oh boy. It still exists. Yeah. But is business? Is this for, yeah, for people, business and health care? I wonder if you can link like teams into it or something. Surillion Studios.

I think, I think this has come up on the show before. I think it has. Hilarious. Hmm. I just, I can't, um... Yeah, it sucks that, I don't know, Twitter became a, a platform of politics. Because as much as I never liked it at any stage,

it was the place that like all of the creator people were. Mm-hmm. So you could always find a link that way. Yeah. And then Facebook was the place that all your like, family members were. And that. And that.

And then between, those two you could kind of like you could kind of plug your nose and just yeah just have them on your phone and you could find people and one of the problems is discord is where a lot of people seem to be migrating at least you know at my age so they're moving they're moving on from discord just so you know like the kids yeah yeah yeah okay boomer discord not I'm not too surprised that was only going to last so long that's the thing about trends they're they come and go temporal ha ha ha It's not a very deep cut, but it's a cut.

But the problem with Discord was the discoverability was crap. Oh, yeah. How do you find anybody? I mean, it's like by design. Yeah. Streamer mode, Streamer mode, lock it down. Which in a way was actually really great.

It was really great. But with Discord becoming so divisive, sorry, with Twitter becoming so divisive, then it's like, oh, Clay, I got to find this person. They're not on Twitter anymore. I see they said, I'm gone now. Are they on Mastodon? Did they go to Blue Sky? That's where their thing said they went.

But that account looks like it's abandoned too. And then are they on threads? Are they on Mastodon? Are they on whatever the heck? How do I find this person? Are they on Snapchat? Can I send them my dick? They won't screenshot it, right?

They told me they wouldn't. Nobody would lie. Nobody would use an external camera to take a photo of it because Snapchat can't detect that. No one would ever do that. No one would have a rooted device. Yeah. Nobody's ever tried to do something bad with information they received in the form of a photo or a text message when they're in high school. LNG underscore channel and floatplane chat says threads is the new dating app.

Really? That's weird. Stop. That's strange. I don't even know what to think about that. That's just strange. So you shop for used stuff. on Facebook Marketplace and you shop for used people on threads. With the rollout of dating threads,

I'm starting to wonder what direction the app is going. I mean, Facebook figured out that by running Marketplace for absolutely for freaking free, they could figure out everything that you were interested in getting rid of or buying. Dating threads. I mean, what more could Meta possibly know about you? What are dating threads?

I have no one. idea. I'm running into a ton of profiles that feel like classic dating app bios. Overly curated, no real post history. And here's the sketchy part. Most of them aren't linked to a real Instagram account. Yeah, that's sketchy. Some are connected to what looks like fake Instagram accounts that were clearly made to pass the verification check. Okay, that's sketchy. Also, some very popular- Maybe they just don't have Instagram. No, I think you have to have it. Also some very popular- Oh, but maybe they didn't have it before, so they just made Instagram to be able to get threads. Also, some very popular threads accounts with thousands of followers are linked to Instagram accounts that only have a few hundred followers.

Like, isn't the whole point that it's tied to Instagram? Why are these profiles even existing? Is dating threads an unofficial trend? Okay, and garbage. Okay, well, at least one person noticed a thing. Huh. Weird. Sure.

All right. I don't. I have no idea. I think we're not the right people to talk about this. Yeah, dude, I've been married for longer than I existed as an unmarried individual. Yeah. I remembered a fun thing. Is that right?

No, that's not right yet, actually. But I've been with the person I married for longer than I have existed as an unmarried individual. That makes sense. I think I've been playing Minecraft for longer than I haven't been playing Minecraft. Okay, one of those things, Oh boy Are there women in Minecraft Like is that

No No okay I think it's just sad I see I was more than supposed to be like a reality hit Yeah Just how long Minecraft has been out Oh yeah

Do you still actively play Minecraft? No Oh okay Okay I'm not that single Well, it kind of seemed like that's where you were going. I thought that was your point. No, no, no, no, no.

Because Linus was thinking about marriage versus not marriage. Yeah, it's the same sort of thing. It's interesting still that you went there with it, but... I'm distracted when the WAN show is happening. Yeah, that's fair. Anyway, we weren't actually done with this topic. Hold on, hold on. One of my favorite things, because just to go back to, like, there is no security in communications when you're in high school,

thing. A fun one that was going around my school was that you would send, you would tell someone a secret on MSN messenger, but you would use like wingdings or whatever. And none of the dudes figured this out for a super long time, but the girls knew that you could paste the wingdings into like word and then just change the fun. And it would actually say what it said. So there was a bunch of dudes my school telling secrets to girls and all the girls knew what all the secrets were.

And it was, I just thought it was hilarious. I was like, that was very funny. I don't actually remember that feature of Emerson. MSN. MSN had so many cool features. If they just,

seriously, I've said this before, I'll say it again, if they just brought back MSN Messenger, in its, in its, like,

when they EOL'd it form today, people would use the fuck out of it. They would, they would show up in droves. It was so cool. And the funny thing is like low-fi, like digital cameras and stuff, like that era is so hot right now. Like you could even, you could even have the low-quality video calling of original MSN. You could literally change nothing but update the security.

I bet a handful of Microsoft engineers could vibe code the freaking upgrade. Like seriously, just bring it back. It will be successful. You're welcome. I'd use it. I would definitely be interested. MSNMessinger was goaded. It was so good.

The nudge was peak. Okay, there are some features that... I mean, maybe that's how they monetize it. They monetize disabling people from nudging you. Oh, Jeremy says, what are you even talking about? Microsoft had a messaging app that was just plain better than anything that we have now. It was actually awesome. No distraction.

Oh, so good. I still, to this day, will screw up and want to send someone a thumbs up emoji and do bracket-why-bracket, and then send it. And then I sent someone, I don't know, maybe that converts into some emoji now, or I just send them bracket-why-bracket, and it's just, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah. This is amazing. I'm not going to show this, but my son wore the tie from my wedding. for an event tonight and looks like an absolute baller. Epic, he does.

Okay, I'm actually looking for something here, though. I'm in my chat with Yvonne. Bracket white bracket still works in his emoji and lots of stuff. A lot of the stuff I've used it in, it does not, but that is good to hear. Why? No, that's good. I like that. What's bracket white bracket?

It's supposed to be this. I'm going to find this. Isn't that boobs? you put a space on each side of the Y for that. Come on now. This is really annoying. Why is this not working? Okay, do your thing for a little bit.

Wait, we haven't finished that topic yet. This is so obnoxious. Well, whatever. Yvonne and I still use bracket L bracket. But it just doesn't convert to anything. We just... You just understand. We just use it.

Yeah. And so I'm trying to find it. But what's funny is if you search for that in WhatsApp, it actually finds every instance of the word love. Huh. Yeah. That's weird, actually. Yeah. I mean, that's what it meant.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's fascinating that it's converting that. Why would it do that? I even put, you saw, I put quotes around it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's also picking up words like left looking like, but mostly the word, it's finding, oh no, is it finding any word that starts with an L? Is it finding capital L? Any word that finds with capital L? No, no, I think it's any word that starts with an L. Why is it doing that?

Interesting. I'm trying to find something specific, you freaking stupid thing. Man, everybody's posting like little asky emotes. it makes me happy. Oh, that's awesome. Remember when you could make custom ones? I still have saved on my NAS, the one of the little smiley face with the arms,

creeping up behind the other one, and then giving it a hug. It's like the cutest thing ever. Those were so cool. Kirby Dance used to be one of my favorite ones. I'm posting in a full-wind chat now. Oh, my gosh. there's an amongus

an amongus well I am not going to be it turns out that I actually text with my wife a lot so going so going through this is going is going to take too long all right

anyway yeah so we like definitely unironically still use that we know what's up okay anyway we weren't done that topic They'll also The UK government will also be looking in more detail at overnight curfews and breaks in infinite scrolling

for under 18 year olds for social media That one's nice And they'll set out more details on this in July They also want to address So-called AI romantic companion chatbots Nice Nice and will hopefully enforce a minimum age of 18 for those Those are a problem

According to a national survey with more than 116,000 responses earlier this year more than 83% of parents said the risks of social media outweigh the benefits and 90% expressed support for a minimum age of 16. And the kids will get around it. And they will, but also a lot of them won't. It'll be less convenient. Or maybe it won't. But at least we're, at least we're starting the conversation at the very least.

I think that is something that is worth doing at this point. So obnoxious. I can't believe Snapchat's getting popular again. I can't believe Snapchat's still around. I can't believe they're making AR glasses. I thought that was like an unrelated company and they're like, they're actually the Snapchat. It's like, okay.

What? Okay, I found it. As recently as in April. Yeah, yeah. There it is. There it is, bracket L bracket. See, that's awesome. Freaking ridiculous.

That's a couple who used to talk on MSN. Yeah, oh, dude. We MSN hardcore. It was crazy. All right, why don't we... What else we got? Oh, this one's cool? Do you want to talk through this one?

AMD brings... Oops, I... Yeah, I collapsed it. Not bad. AMD brings advanced shader delivery across all our DNA GPUs. This is actually pretty exciting. Cutting game load times down by up to 95.

percent. Damn. AMD and Microsoft are rolling out advanced Shader delivery in the Xbox PC ecosystem designed to tackle shader compilation stutter and long first load times in games. I wouldn't even just say first load to be

honest. It's all the freaking time. It's so often. That computer building video to compare to a different computer that David and I were doing was so frustrating. We ended up waiting around for Shader compilation. I kid you not. Four times on set today. It's very annoying. This is genuinely really cool. Honestly, first load, I think you

could just kick that out of there. But anyways, instead of compiling shaders on the user's PC during gameplay, shaders are pre-built and delivered ahead of time. So games can load faster and run smoother right from launch. Yeah, you just download it. Yeah, how big is it? I didn't think that was possible. I think it's not that bad. Weird. Because Intel was talking to me about this. They're doing it too on the new arc handhelds. Huh. Yeah. Interesting. But how? Yeah, I'd love to know more. Me too.

Yeah. An AMD tweet said that the ASD reduces shader stutter and load times by up to 95%. The feature is expanding in preview and is now being supported more broadly across AMD RDNA GPUs via new drivers. However, the functionality currently only supports games played through the Xbox app. TechSpot's article on the subject says support for Nvidia RtXX. hardware arrives later this year and Intel has been also pledged to implement the feature. Hopefully they keep releasing graphics cards. Yeah, what's the worst load time you can remember experiencing?

Oh. Dude, Halo Infinite. Getting that game going with a group was brutal because I swear. Every time there was some stupid update, there would be a stupid like eternity of pre-compiling shaders. it was brutal. I mean, we had net nanny and dial-up combined, a bit terrible combination. And I would try to load RuneScape.

I've told this story on Wancho before, but it was literally so long. I would load RuneScape, go downstairs, make a sandwich and like some peach juice, because you still have peach juice, consume all of it, go upstairs, and it still usually wasn't done loading. And it was actually loading

and would eventually actually load. So I'm talking double-digit minutes. My favorite one, though, is Morowind, of course, because Morrwind would completely reboot your Xbox during some of the load screens. It was honestly, there was a lot of tech for Morin that was fascinating, like placing data on different parts of the disk for load time optimizations and stuff. And yeah, apparently it would like sneakily restart your Xbox. Crazy. Some of this, Howard explained how to do with the folks at Xbox tipping Bethesda off about a few quirks of the hardware. Great tricks they taught us.

Favorite one is, if you're running low on memory, you can reboot the original Xbox and the user can't tell. You can throw a screen up, like when Morwin's loading. You get a super long load. That's us rebooting the Xbox. That was the Hail Mary. And yeah, it was kind of a known thing for Morwin players. Of every once in a while, you just get smashed with this, like, insane load screen. and the thing was like you know don't turn the Xbox off or whatever it is working but nobody like

I didn't know this was it rebooting until many years after I played that I mean I've seen it many times where the last frame that was sitting in like the output buffer or whatever is just like still there even when it's not updating to new frames but I get I guess that was that was a feature not a Crazy, eh? Huh. So that's my favorite one. That isn't the longest one, but it, man, some of those load times were really long. And it makes sense now that the whole freaking system is rebooting and then it's loading what you needed.

Yeah, crazy. I loved, man. I really, really used to enjoy watching some like making of things. I don't remember if who's Morwind or oblivion or something. but I remember there was a making of of one of those that was just really awesome to watch. Some of the making of, I think it was probably Halo 2, but the making of extras of either Halo 1 or Halo 2

was just incredible. That's where I learned how they would just, they would like intentionally make the geography of the map that you're on in a way that it would block what you're about to see next because it would load the enemies like right before you, got there and it would unload stuff behind you and like all this how they managed again just dealing with the memory of these consoles really isn't that what i'm describing i think i think it was like

two rocks no like all of the geometry and everything was just two models that they rotated around and scaled oh is that mar i thought that was mario Mario did that with clouds clouds yeah clouds and i know i know halo it might have been the first one did something very similar yeah i wouldn't be surprised yeah Oh yeah, no. What you say, it's not all the geometry. It's all of the rocks are basically two rocks. Yeah, mountains and stuff like that. Yeah, they're like stuck in the ground so you can't see most of it and they'll rotate it around and stuff. Yeah, I think that's a pebble. It's just a teeny tiny one. Yeah, I think that's Halo 1. It's just scaled differently. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Halo 1. I'm pretty sure that was Halo 1.

Halo 1 rocks. Let's see. It might even be 1. I don't remember that was a while ago. I don't remember. There's some really good ones about, there's a good mini-doc on YouTube about racing the beam

if you're talking about Mario because all of the game logic has to happen before the beam starts because like you only have so much time to manipulate it as it's going down the screen every 50. or 50 or 60 seconds, right? That's kind of funny.

Oh, it's Halo 3? No way, not Halo 3? I thought it was Halo 1. Oh, racing the beam. God, Nokia's fast. What the hell? Nokia's wicked fast. That's insane.

No, that's a great video if you want to, if you have any interest in like... All right, we've got a couple of quick ones. Hello, sorry, one last. Halo 3 player discovers every single rock in one of the game's most memorable levels is the same rock. It's just rotated, scaled, and moved around. like that kind of stuff is

instant wicked man instance and geez baby I love that stuff crazy anyways are there pictures of this pretty boring pictures is all the same rock yeah but I want to see like how they use them and stuff

yeah yeah I was just making a joke let me see if I can okay so here it is so every one of these rocks is the same rock just rotate and scaled and turned around that's hilarious i would never i would never know that yep and you know there maybe a different amount of it is jutting out of the ground yeah yep and you only have to load one rock yeah pretty awesome and you just instance it

with size and rotation and you're done so cool amazing love stuff like that like when i when i learned that thing with Super Marlboro's and the clouds in the grass are the same. It's just recolored. Fantastic. There's also a really good mini-doc about the Sega logo, I think, on the original Sonic, because the console couldn't produce that type of screen update resolution. So what it's actually is it's like four videos playing simultaneously. And then what they do is they break it into the different scan lines and different colors, and then they swap the color buffer, because it can only display so many colors, which gives you, like, quadruple the frame rate. So your animations can be even smoother because it couldn't physically process that amount

of information that fast. And what the hell? It's like, it's nuts. It's so cool. I love stuff like that. All right, I got a couple quick ones here. Researchers at UC San Diego, backed by Google, have figured out how to turn retired smartphones into low-cost data center hardware.

The pitch rests on a surprising fact. A phone from three years ago still delivers higher single-core performance in spec benchmarks than server CPUs like dual AMD epics that are found in real data centers. The servers crush the phones on total throughput, but in terms of per core,

the mobile chips actually hold their own. The process strips each phone down to just the motherboard, so your display, batteries, cameras, chassis all come off. And Android gets replaced with a standard data center Linux distro. The boards get networked into self-managing clusters of 25 to 50 units running Kubernetes. Of course. Roughly 25 to 50 phones match the compute of a single dual socket server CPU and a 20 phone cluster can already serve an app for a class of 75 plus students.

Google frames this around embodied carbon. The motherboard alone accounts for about 50% of a phones manufacturing emissions and people replace phones roughly every four years. With Google's support, UCSD plans to scale up to 2,000 phones in a data center launching fall 2026 that could support 100 classes at once, all on hardware that would otherwise be e-waste. Dude, that's awesome. It's super cool.

I don't know how scalable it is, but it's really cool. Well, 2,000 phones. It's not even that many phones, actually, in terms of like the sheer volume of phones that exist that people are just not using and don't care about anymore. Like, look at the Neo. Like, you can do incredible things with phone processors. 100%. I was doing, I was doing so, I was talking to Wendell about space stuff. And we were talking about the Mercury era.

Were you talking about data centers in space? No. No. We were talking about the Mercury era missions. and he was mentioning offhand. I haven't like verified this or anything, but it's Wendell. But he's mentioning offhand

about the transistors in your phone now amounts to a higher number than all of the transistors in the world at that time. And I was like, damn. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, brain too small and think too much further than that, but that's pretty cool.

Illinois looks like they might become the first state to ban drivers from wearing smart glasses. This is just pending Governor J.B. Pritzker's signature, meaning it could become law in the coming weeks if he signs it. The bill's supporters say the glasses can display information, messages, or other content directly in a driver's field of view, making them a new form of distracted driving as these devices become more popular. Critics argue that the bill is a blunt instrument and that not all smart glasses are equally distracting,

and enforcement could give police broad discretion to stop or question drivers based on their eyewear. That's about all I have to say about that. It probably seems like a good thing to avoid video screens in people's eyeball holes while they're driving. It's always something that blows me away when I visit Taiwan or other countries where you appear to be simply allowed to watch video on your dashboard while you are driving. Pretty much, I'd say a solid half of the Uber drivers that I get in Taipei are just like watching dramas or like music videos. Dude, I was getting an Uber because I need to, I need to. get somewhere. I tend to really try to take transit when I'm in Taipei for a variety

of reasons to be honest. It's also just super cheap, but I get carsick really easily and I was getting an Uber and we were counting the amount of like, I don't know what you want to call them false starts. And this is not unique to Taiwan, I would say, but this was a particularly rough

situation where they would like step on the gas fairly seriously and then break before going. Once a Once a light went green. There was at one light, it was 26. It was like a 15 minute ride or something like that.

I was, I could taste both a mixture of stomach acid and metal in my mouth by the time we got there. I guarantee you that's not as bad as what I tasted earlier in the show, but it's not a competition. But like, oh my God. Yeah, if I can, if I can not, I'll usually not. I'll walk or take transit or something. I actually tweeted earlier this week and I got a surprising number of just like brain dead responses on this. I was like, hey, there's already an accelerometer in both of the phones in the car. How about you just use it, Uber?

And then you can just like tell drivers to chill the fuck out with their whole like leadfoot break, lead foot break, lead foot break. It's just so bad. And the funny thing is like you can report issues. Like when you leave a three-star review, I think anything three-star and below, it automatically prompts you for like why. And for whatever reason, like excessive acceleration and braking is not one of them. Like you can flag, if I recall correctly, it's like dangerously, it's like dangerous driving. But it's not always dangerous. Sometimes you're just cruising down the freeway.

There's nobody around. and they're just like, meh, yeah, yeah, oh my God, the gas pedal is not a toggle switch. You could just make a fine adjustment.

And it's like, oh, you should just talk to the driver. It's like, I shouldn't have to. It literally shouldn't be necessary with what is supposed to be a replacement for professional drivers in taxis or whatever. It just seems like a very obvious thing for them to just address,

because it's such a meme. Like, everybody knows. Yeah, yeah, Uber drivers. Like, yeah, especially like Tesla's. When they have the Regen breaking on maximum, so they're like one pedal driving, and they have no idea how to have that pedal be anything other than all the way down or all the way up.

Ugh! Yeah, it's rough. Okay, did we finish that topic? Oh, yeah, I mean, I guess so. Did we? Yeah, I want to talk about, oh, wait, I mean, I think it's worth mentioning that I think this is going to be completely insane. You were doing that it was like Illinois or whatever with the you can't wear smart glasses.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I support the idea that you can't wear smart glasses while driving. But like, what the hell? You can barely even tell the current generation raybans versus normal raybans. How the heck are they supposed to figure that out? I mean, I don't know. And they're only going to get stealthier as time goes on. Yeah.

And I think there was like one of the discussion questions. on her something. I don't know where the topic is right now, but I think one of the discussion questions was like, is this going to just give them an excuse to pull anyone over at any time if they're wearing glasses? It's kind of like, yeah, probably, to be honest. And like, cops simply already cannot be expected to recognize everything that someone's not allowed to have or every stupid law. Totally. So, I mean, I support the idea that you shouldn't be able to wear them while driving, but like, man, I don't know how the heck you enforce that, unless it's just one of the, an additional thing to throw at you when they're trying to throw the book at you.

And Agent Renzo reminds us, we talked about this last week, but prescription smart glasses. Like, what are you going to tell them? Dude, it's such a tough. Take off your prescription glasses and get back behind the wheel. That's crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. We briefly touched on this for the first time.

ChatGPT has less than half of the AI assistant market. Oh, yeah, there you go. I don't think we have to get into a ton of depth on this, but Claude is growing like Bannanase. Gemini is growing pretty good. But Claude is looking... Most of the development-minded people I know are using Claude right now.

Claude, very strong. Yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff in here. I'm so sorry to the writer who prepared all these notes, but I think we have to move on to After Dark. Dan, Mr. Besser, hit us. Oh, I got buttons.

It's a push first. Fascinating. Okay. He pushed the buttons. I hear I'm pushing buttons. I don't see it doing anything. I push at the buttons. Uh,

that one. Tada. Okay, cool. You have to do the Valley Girl. Hello, LLD. For Linus, are there any plans to bring you back?

That's a really bad Valley Girl. You're going to have to do better than that. Can't have it up, Dan. Can't even remember what it is. Linus, can you give me a hand here? Yeah, sure. It's pretty good at it.

Uh, like, hello, LLD. Thank you. For like, Linus, are there any plans to like bring back? Don't walk. long sleeve. It's my favorite long sleeve, but I only got one before they were gone. Okay, yeah, you did that whole second sentence without a single like.

Oh, I keep forgetting to add the like. It's like my favorite long sleeve, but like, thank you director, Linus. I'm not answering the question until you do the second line project. It's like my favorite long sleeve, but like I only got like one before they were gone. I would have had a, I would have had a fifth like and before they were like gone. Yeah, but that's really good. That's pretty good. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I don't think we have a ton of plans for Waffle Long Sleeve. My uncle really likes it too.

I don't think that we're going to be bringing it back anytime soon. I am so sorry. Do I have Alley Girl less? I can't tell. Interesting. I think so. I wonder why I stopped. Because I'm talking about this reminded me that I used to get a lot of comments on

WAN show about why the fuck does he talk like that? He sounds like a freaking Valley girl. And I just noticed as I was talking to Dan, I didn't, I didn't drop any likes, I don't think. Do I, do I still do it a bunch? I, Mr. O Mutt says it's been much less. I haven't really noticed. Interesting. I didn't think about it at all. I'd never thought about it till this conversation, but my answer was immediately and I think it's less. Agent Renzo says I think you realized the uselessness of the word like

I don't think I did I mean I do pick up on the speech patterns of people around me and I you know like anyone I'm always changing you know like

I don't know I just I didn't think about it you thought about that now that I think about it I like immediately immediately want to do it watch it watch it be fully fledged back

is it back now have I relapsed am I off the wagon no because you didn't say is it like back now so I think you're like so back that's crazy that's like crazy

I'm gonna have to not think about it look at her butt she must be like one of those rap guys girlfriends I brought those Apple boxes out and I was singing Apple Boxes jeans Nice

They're here Oots That's what he's talking about Yeah Boxes with the fur Everybody was resting on her Did you answer the question about Yeah I did

Okay Do I have to Yeah I mean We're not answering any Hello DALL Question for Luke Have you like heard of the Lantern of the

Laughless Saint stated as the spiritual successor to like Morrowind and junk The trailer's amazing And starts by saying Beep you, Todd Howard Whatever that could mean

Like come on That was pretty good That's pretty good He's improving Yes I have heard of it I think the whole internet came together In its algorithmic

Excellency and was like this guy, because I don't think I've received ads for almost anything else as much as I've received ads for this. And I'm following it on Steam. Okay. What is that? How many times you said like, like a valley girl? Oh, I was going to see if you did it more. I was just going to keep trying. I do it a little bit. Yeah. Oh, I know. Yeah. Oh, you've always been a little valley girl. Yeah. Yeah. Howdy L-LDL. Finally remember to use my like coin. Well, switch to. to Kashi during the

like Linux challenge and it's been fun oh my god any like workarounds or discoveries or like happy little accidents you know like you found that you didn't make it into the you know videos what is it

it's not Valley Girl no it's it's evolving it's evolving yeah it's like Valley Girl mixed with like 90s dork yeah I well this one felt dorky I'm trying to embody the character of the person. You got to remember,

everything is a question. Okay. How do you LDL? Finally, like, remember to use my coin, lull? No, that was wrong, but how do you LDL? Like, you have to have the uptone at the end. It's been fun? And then you're also, the, like, yeah.

Any workarounds or discoveries or happy accidents you found that didn't make it in videos? Yeah, okay. Okay, do you find any happy accidents? We'll get there. I haven't tried catchy yet. During the Linux challenge and it's been fun. Any work around Discovery's happy accidents you found that didn't make it in videos? He did read that to you.

It was just impossible to understand with all the extra filler words. That too. I'm also, I'm just thinking. I feel like... That doesn't count. I feel like it was mostly mentioned because Wancho counts as a video. I count it. I talk.

about a lot of it on WAN as we're going along. Hmm. That would be an interesting WAN show, hooking up electrodes to us so that every time we say, um, like, or just any bullspit deliver words.

I might appreciate that. I want to use them less. Would we end up saying nothing? The of us can talk. We're both just paralyzed. That's rough No No hear me out serves a purpose W. Calderini

I don't think so Hear me out No I don't think I didn't mention anything I think I mentioned a lot of stuff on WAN That didn't necessarily end up in the primary videos Damn it Workgrounds and stuff though Yeah I don't really think so

I haven't dabbled much with playing games that aren't on Steam yet. I suspect that's going to be a hurdle. It's about time I do my like every three months check-in with Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Damn it. Yeah, I can just say it and there's no value. It takes practice to fill it with silence. I really, I really want to do that. You just practice it.

It does. It does take practice. I was thinking about this months ago, not that recently, but just that I think it would be better if I didn't. It's also, believe it or not, counterintuitively, part of communication to use filler words, though. Because you're communicating that you're still talking. I do find that people tend to interrupt me when I'm working on that. Presentations and stuff, though, it's really good to have it as a practice. Yeah, if I could be able to flip a switch.

Turn it off and on, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of similar. to what I was able to do when I was in high school. So the second I joined the shop class, so I think that was in grade 11.

I went from being the guy who people would go if I said ass or damn to just cussing like a sailor. Wow, that makes a lot of sense. But I still had young siblings at home.

and at that time dude I could turn it on and off like fully I don't think my parents ever realized that I said a swear word and

in shop class I don't think people knew that I knew other words yeah like it was yeah I find interesting it's harder now I seem to be able to do that quite effectively on like a location

basis. Sort of. You slip up a fair bit. On WAN? Oh, not on WAN. No, that's what I'm saying. No, but like... No, I can't... I suck outside of this context. Yeah, I know. I screwed up all the time. I know. And it's like really frustrating and kind of embarrassing. But for some reason on WAN, it's like perfect.

Actually, come to think of it, I'm pretty good at it. I don't think my kids have almost ever heard me swear. Like, why can't I... Why? What? I don't know, but you're kind of embarrassing and... public sometimes because you're very loud. Yeah. If you weren't so loud, then the potty mouth wouldn't be so much of a problem. I've been working. But I'll be like, Luke, there's like a lot of kids here. Yeah. There was sometimes. I don't actually, I usually don't say anything because there's

not much point. But there have been times that I'm just sitting there going, okay. Yeah. I often forget how far away I can be heard from. Uh-huh. Yeah. Very far away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I had someone point out the other day that like we were talking about something that wasn't super public and they were like, we got to talk quieter. And I was already whispering. And we had to talk quieter because someone was across the building. And I was like, oh, damn. I have wondered before, like, if our sound booths even contain it. I'm not sure. They don't contain it.

Part of the problem is the frequency. Yeah. Because lower frequencies are tougher to block. So it's easier for me to have a private conversation than it is for you. Very fun. Very cool. Last one there. I'm sorry.

I was responding to me. Appreciate you guys being late. Allow me to second screen watch from like Australia with everything you've learned during Linux recently. would you consider like a Linux tips or like a Nix tips series? No, I think it's already covered really well. I don't really see what additional value we'd bring at this point in time. I think one of the biggest benefits we could bring is just making it more normal. Covering it more on the main channels, absolutely.

And if it just happens to be in videos, like you were talking about how your choice for Odysseus was Fedora, I think you said. I'm using Fedora Workstation. Yeah, so that makes sense. And if we did end up making a video about that, if Fedora was just the thing that you used, it's not like this huge deal. It's just the thing that you used. I think honestly, that's the most that we could bring.

That is a lot. I'm not trying to diminish it. But like trying to help normalize it is, I think, something that the Linus Sectives channel could accomplish. That's what we do for the longest time. That's been our whole, thing. We don't go the deepest into anything, but what we do is we strive to put at least a few things in every video that someone can learn. And then we try to light fires. Like Luke said,

we try to just like go around throwing matches on the, be like, man, like, it was your channel that inspired me to get into this. And that's always my favorite thing to hear is that one of those matches ended up turning into a forest fire. Okay, not a great, um, Not a great metaphor, but I think you guys get the point. We don't want forest fires in a literal sense. We want them in an imagination and inspiration sense. Maybe we should go now. We'll see again next week.

Well, hold on. Somebody pointed out, did you guys figure out the YouTube channel thing yet? Did we not? Which one? Oh. What channel are we streaming to right now? We haven't figured it out. I asked Dan before we started.

He says next week. Some people were off this week so they couldn't deal with it. Okay. Just... We got to actually do that. Just mid-sized company things, I know. That makes sense, though. I know.

See again next week. Same bad time. Hopefully we'll have the channel things sorted out. Bye. All right. Oh, I'm up.