The WAN Show - There’s No Reason To Buy An iPhone - WAN Show November 21, 2025

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It turns out that, in my haste to immerse myself in the Apple ecosystem, I overlooked one all-important detail. There is no reason left to buy an iPhone. Oh, RCS exists for people who were afraid of the color green in their bubbles. And also, in other news, Google announced yesterday that Airdrop is coming to the Pixel family. Huh. So you will actually be able to cross share files between Pixel and iPhone users. We'll get into it more later. We'll get into it more later.

Apparently there's some app where you can get all the features of AirPods on Android now, too. Yes, there is. we were going to talk about that later No, we're talking about now And now you spoiled it Speaking of things spoiled There's some drama in the pebble community I actually have

I got my pebble very recently And I got it in my backpack It's on the verge of me being about to set it up Sometimes it takes me a little while To switch over to new devices The point is Rebel The community that kept

The original pebbles Up and running for flipping I don't know what was it six years after Google discontinued it has some drama with the now resurrected new pebble company so we're going to have to dig into that a little bit what else we got this week Microsoft kills another Windows activation workaround while weathering backlash over a recent agentic OS push and at the same time that there has never been a better time in the history of operating systems to try using Linux also

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alongside our rap partner D brand, our laptop partner, Del, and our chair partner. Nice try. Secret lab. We're so close. so cool you're so cooked did you notice it in your thing or how did you even notice don't even worry about it i have my ways why don't we jump right into our first topic today which is of course the biggest news in the tech sphere right now the fact that google just randomly on a thursday dropped the news that airdrop is coming to the pixel 10 family for the uninitiated airdrop is an apple feature that

allows people to quickly share files, contacts, and other media between Apple devices, including sharing across different people, not just the same user with multiple devices. So if Luke and I both had iPhones, we could just touch our tips together, you know, as friends are want to do. Yeah, unalike, normal. As long as we have our settings configured, and then we can just form a direct connection and send files to each other. It's really nice, especially for things like, uh,

ingesting video footage from an iPhone to a Mac computer. Oh, yeah, did I mention it's not just phones. You can go to iPads and other Apple devices as well. Now, Android has had a competitor to this called QuickShare for quite a bit of time. It's gotten some updates over the years to compete with the Waldgarten. And you could kind of think of this as just an even fancier update. But it's kind of a bigger deal than that,

because whether you agree or disagree with the importance of things like, you know, IMessage, FaceTime, Walled Garden features like that, AirDrop is something that many people do feel is extremely important. It's awesome. And it's really cool. Our title for this topic is actually really funny. The timing for this was hilarious. I don't know if you saw this on Twitter But literally a week ago Elijah was complaining about the same

Switch to iOS app That I was having so much trouble with When I switched over to iPhone most recently Okay Because he just bought an iPhone And the reason that he bought an iPhone Literally, the reason Was that he recently went to an event

Where he actually like Straight up missed out on making important contacts making important connections because people were just like oh sharing my contact with you is more work than just touching my phone to yours yeah I'm good now the first thing I said to him was I don't need the contact information of anyone who's that much of a shithead I've also like I but I've never heard of that nor seen it nor experience it you don't travel in the same circles as everyone else, necessarily. That event that he was at, I have been to before and was invited to.

It is a different year today. And potentially a different generation of attendees. By one. A different generation of attendees. It was last year. No, I'm not, I'm not talking in terms of generation of the event. I'm talking, I'm talking the age group of attendees. Fair enough.

So I'm going to have been to the event, but not. And hung out with boomers. Yeah. Yeah. That's possible. Yeah. So anyway. I am definitely the type of person to get to an event like that,

find the people that I actually want to hang out with him and stand in a corner and just talk to them. Yeah. Yeah. So I've been teasing him. Actually, a fair bit this week. Because right after he went through all the hassle of getting switched over to the iPhone,

and he was like complaining to me about it. He's like, the thing's so stupid, but I, like, I'm doing it because I just, like, really need AirDrop. Like, immediately, Google dropped this news, and I was like, ha-ha. Now, I mean, meanwhile, I'm actually dailying the iPhone air anyway, just because I, you know, it's my, it's my, it's my job to kind of know both of them. I actually have a lot of notes from this time around. I, dude, iOS 26 is, like, kind of terrible.

I, uh, I, I'm, I just mean in terms of, like, buggyness. I've heard in, in to, you know, know, in iOS's defense, I've heard bad things about the pixel. They're saying this is a pixel 10 thing that's coming, right? QuickShare. I've heard negative things about the pixel 10 as well. I have had, I had, honestly, my pixel 9A was extremely buggy out of the gate. Oh.

I don't really get it. I've generally heard good things about Pixel 9. The 9A is the budget one. Ah. It has great battery life. That's like the killer app of that phone. It also has no camera bump. Those two things are keeping it like in my.

pocket as um you know my my one that i'm going to have like some of my stuff that's a pain in the butt to migrate as i make my way through a number of devices that i i want to be using over the next little bit but um there there's definitely some buggyness and it can it can be very frustrating but like i am often running into issues with my AirPods on this huh i actually i think i caught it on video where it's like my AirPods are showing up like like they're they're connected they're the active device but they're just not playing any audio and the only way to get them to work

is to put them back in the case pull them back out and connect them again which yeah sure turn it off and turn it back on that's a totally valid troubleshooting step or whatever so you think a first party device like that and like one of the most first popular versions of a first party device like ever

would probably be fine now in fairness to Apple it could be because I've experienced this I think exclusively with Plex I don't use my AirPods to listen to music much and I don't use them for calls much. I use them predominantly to watch things on Plex. So it could just be that Plex is a steaming pile of garbage.

So I can't blame Apple for it, but it is an observation that I've had, that it has not been a seamless experience with the AirPods. Anywho, I've been teasing Elijah about this this week because he literally did it for nothing. The Pixel 10 family will now be able to use QuickShare to complete file transfers with Apple devices and their AirDrop function.

The Apple user will need to take a little. adjust their settings to make the device discoverable to anyone. But that's totally a thing because anytime you want to, like, we run into this on set all the time because we use iPhones for our teleprompter displays. So if you want to transfer to like the work account that isn't in your contacts and you're not friends with or whatever, that's actually like a normal step then is you need to just open it up to connect with anyone. So that's something that Apple people are totally used to doing.

And then you can just adjust the time that it's open. So you said it's like 10 minutes or whatever, and then it'll close back off. It's a pretty normal step. A Google spokesperson confirmed that this was not a collab with Apple. But rather, we accomplished this through our own implementation. They also said, and this seems like they're trying to get out ahead of Apple claiming that this is a giant security problem and it needs to be closed down because the only devices that are secure to transfer a file are Apple device. So they said their implementation was thoroughly vetted by their own privacy and security teams,

and also they engaged a third-party security firm to pen test the solution. Now, the downer here, and this actually kind of sucks, is that this is not an Android feature. This is a pixel OS feature. And pixel 10 specifically. And it has not been confirmed if it will be available across the rest of the pixel lineup, or across the rest of the Android ecosystem. They have specifically said pixel 10 family. Specifically.

Exact wording. So it's, to me, that's a, it's not coming to other stuff, at least not right now. But Google does have a history of starting features on the pixel lineup, on the latest pixels, having them make their way to other pixels, and then having them make their way to the broader ecosystem. But I also just kind of wonder if this feature is going to survive long enough. to make it to those other devices because you've got to imagine you've got to imagine that apple's going to be finding ways to at the very least passively aggressively make this not as good

of an experience easily yeah um updates every once in a while that just change things so enough that it won't work tim zero zero x3 says but yeah but what stops apple from patching this out i mean they didn't work with apple on it and from a technical standpoint very little pretty much nothing stops Apple from patching it out. But from an antitrust standpoint, and Apple has been under more scrutiny lately around the app store, potentially there could be reasons for them to not obviously, publicly, intentionally lock down the interoperability of their walled garden.

With that said, in the U.S., in particular, enforcement has been inconsistent across the various administrations and I would say the current one it seems to have more to do with how ring-shaped your lips are and less to do with your actual behavior as a company whether you will be investigated or not

it's trying to make them as flat and wide and not ring-like as possible ah good you succeeded thank you discussion question is this a good move or a bad move I think it's pretty sweet

however you know saying hey screw those guys with their walled garden ecosystem we're going to make our walled garden ecosystem compatible with theirs

ha ha now freedom for all especially just our customers Just pixel 10. Yeah, just pixel 10. Like I, I, you're not quite Robin Hood at that point, Google. You're like, who are you at that point? You're Robin Hood if he only distributed the rich guy's wealth to his merry men, you know?

He's just the king of the neighboring castle. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. It does kind of feel that way. Curveball question. Elijah, I Elijah, okay, that's not really a question. Recently bought an iPhone for AirDrop. Also not a question. Oh, so I accidentally told the story

that he had in his questions at the beginning. It sparked a brief conversation in writer's meeting about should that be a video where Elijah talks through his phone choice and we go for the title of I bought an iPhone for no reason. This was a major mistake. Do you think the audience cares about

others' experience with phones or should we keep doing Linus 30-day phone challenges? I think that especially given that Elijah was the host, not the host host, but he was the interviewer, he was the tech support, he was the facilitator of the entire switch to Android and switch to iPhone challenge series.

I think him doing a follow-up where, okay, I oversaw all of y'all switching devices. I also made a decision. I'm getting in on the action. here's why I did it, Google announcement, mic drop, this might have been a huge mistake, am I sticking with it or not now that I've used it for a month? I think that's a great piece of content. I think it's good. If you really, if it didn't feel like there was enough meat on the bone, which I think there might be, but if you didn't feel like there was, I think you could maybe

check in with people that have switched within the last year and see how they're feeling about their devices at this point in time. I think that could be interesting because Yvonne said she was going to go back to her Android, but she actually hasn't bothered yet. See, that's super interesting to me. I talked to her the other day about it. I was like... These might even be two different videos. I was like, you're still on the iPhone. And she's like, yeah, it's a lot of work to switch

devices, and I find that I just can't care that much. That is a take that does matter to me, to be honest. Because if it's that... No. Because the next thing she said was that if I was in office full-time

right now, I would 100% be switching back because the productivity management tools are just plain better for her needs. On Android? Yeah, and just like planning. That's so interesting because I hear, I know you guys have your business calendar thing that you like a lot, but there's business calendar is coded. There is people that feel equal but opposite about iPhone. Like the, the best flight tracking app, as far as my understanding goes, is iOS only. How much do you fly, though? No, I know. I just, this is an argument that I hear from people. Sure. I use my calendar every day. I use a flight tracking app once every once in a while when I fly.

Like I don't know, man. There's just, it's just like, yeah, iOS people say equal but opposite things, but I guess it kind of depends on which things you use all the time. Like I know someone that flies, like, often very short flights, but like almost every week. Really? Sometimes within California. We both know someone who flies that much. not I'm not talking about that guy

but I'm talking about yeah a different guy and flightly yeah people are saying flightly that sounds right just like lives and dies by that app can we what is that is that you

might be me whatever that just oh sorry sorry yeah it is me wow it is me wow what a guy dude sorry

what a guy I uh all the iOS users in chat just got flagged yeah It, you know, it doesn't matter. I love it on Android. You can just drag down your volume button and meet your phone.

You don't have to, like, interact with the screen at all. Wait, you can't do that? It's, um... Why can't you do that? So what you can do is you can configure the action button for D&D. Okay. Um, but I don't have mine configured for that because I have it configured to be a flashlight because I find that more useful more often.

That's pretty cool. Um, yeah, no, I, I... Do you find that nukes your battery in your pocket often? I love that. Um, there's a setting for it, line is stop being run. What are you talking about? Is there a setting to turn down the volume and it will mute your ringer?

Because I'd love for that to be a thing. Hold on. Let's see. Let's see. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, sure. Let me check. Let me check. I'm checking. I'm checking. Part of my problem is that I'm switching devices all the time.

So anything that's not default can be hard to remember. Oh yeah, change with buttons. There you go. So it's not the default. But yes. so yes you can hold it down and change your ringtone and alerts volume with buttons very nice all right cool I still maintain the management on it

is much more intuitive on Android basically what happens is it controls whatever is going on now and if nothing is going on now it controls your ringer and notification volume and then you can click a thing and then you get a full volume slider thing that comes out and you can adjust all your various volume sliders independently one thing that you still definitely can't do on iOS though is set a different volume for your notification and your ringer which I find pretty annoying because I don't always want my notifications to be loud but sometimes I do want a phone call to be loud yeah yeah so whatever good job good job indeed next topic maybe yeah what else do you guys want to talk about speaking of good job this week's outage

was brought to you by Cloudflare. Oh, why, yeah, what? Yay! We all saw it coming. Yay! Is it time for us to stop being so dependent on just like, a couple of companies to...

We can't change anything. To keep the entire internet running? They should merge. We need less. I know a bunch of chat is like, yes, yes, yeah, yes, yes, good. That will not happen.

I am sorry. The inertia is way too high. You can't unplug Cloudflare from the internet right now. The tools to do the things that Cloudflare does, you're quite wrong, Luke, yeah, okay, good luck, go have fun. The tools to do the things that places like Cloudflare accomplish on a mass scale for everyone are not good enough, to be honest. There is certain things that can help you get away from it,

and we use a lot of that. But just saying, like, oh, yeah, every single site you can't unplug Cloudflare. They've done it a couple times recently. Yeah, okay. I need you guys to consider the vastness of this. Unplug Cloudflare, Azure, and AWS from the entire internet and see what happens. What would even be left? We just did.

We just saw what happens. And that was not good. regional outage for the AWS thing, too. That was like one small part of AWS. It wasn't even... And trust me, a huge part of floatplane's ethos is like using these platforms as little as possible. Yes, when the cloudflare outage happened,

stuff with FlipLane went down. We lean on a lot of different Cloudflare things. We do. But we try to make it as unplugable and into something else as possible. Yeah, fail over. But that unplug and plug into something else is the important part of what I'm talking about.

These types of systems, this decentralization, is how the internet works right now in grand scale. The cost of doing it yourself, both in employees, in hardware and everything else, is very high. These companies are offering scale. They're offering expertise. They're offering resilience, all these different things. And there's a reason why so many people have flocked to them. And there's a reason why put it in the cloud is a lot less popular than it used to be because they're strangling everyone with price. and then people are trying to float back

but what's kind of winning right now as it often does is a hybrid model that's somewhere more in the middle you have no cloud cloud comes in and everyone goes oh my god put everything in the cloud all the time then there's a little outage and they're like

wow we can't do anything oh my goodness also like getting all of our data out of our cloud storage is wildly expensive they crank the price everything goes crazy and then you go oh maybe somewhere in here uh... floatplane tries to do bit of hybrid. Right now, the deal we have with Cloudflare is very cost effective. So we are doing that, but we can try to work with other people and we can go with other companies. It doesn't just have

to be three, but these types of like one company leans on other ones to get things done is how the internet works right now. And there's a reason why if you put all these three massive outages together, there's basically nothing left. There's a reason why that's the case. And just saying like, oh, yeah, you can unplug it all and it's all going to magically work. is just not true. Or it's not true now. Yeah. It could be true five years from now.

And it was true in the past. Yes. But right now, the way that it works, if you want to have a website that is reasonably reliable and doesn't just get, like, DDoS to high hell all the time, you're basically using these services. That's the current paradigm. Of being DDoS to High Hell all the time is, like,

exactly what I'm talking about. This, the, the, the, the wall, someone in Philippine chat just worded it. Nope, I don't see it anymore. But the, needing the resiliency to absorb a lot of this type of stuff was a massive problem back in the day. Oh, yeah. Sites would go down all the time. Dude, just stuff would go down all the time. One vindictive customer would take down a site whenever.

And, and the. scale the scale with which you can attack services now is only increasing tons of houses in bc have like three gig internet connections coming to their house up and down like oh my goodness dude uh hold on someone just uh someone just sent me this apparently uh there's uh hold on hold on hold on also yeah someone in full pink chat just said Andre b just said and what companies you lean on also lean on those companies as well. Yeah, much like the stock market, which I think we're going to talk about a little bit later, a lot of this stuff intertwines. A lot of this stuff intertwines. It flows together and it's crazy. Let me see if I can find this. Okay, okay, I think I got it. I think I got it

up. So this was, this was sent to me earlier this week by Marty Kareem, a staff signals engineer at Security Scorecard. We published a research on a campaign we're calling Operation WRT Hug. So check this out. Check this out. So it's an operation that's hijacking tens of thousands of older ASUS WRT home and small office home office routers and using them as orb style relay infrastructure. So apparently there's a mesh of infected dad routers.

they're calling them spread across Taiwan, the U.S., Russia, Southeast Asia, and Europe. And these kinds of, this kind of no longer getting updates, connected infrastructure, smart home devices, IOT devices that are all over the place, coupled with the enormous pipes that are available for like run-of-the-mill residential connections. creates just an unfathomable unfathomable scale of attack

if it's used in a coordinated fashion like it's... You want to take 500,000 IPs hitting you for 15 terabits per second? Good luck. Like, nah, bro. Like, it's crazy.

And to be fair, people dealt with this stuff back in the day. And they did. But their sites would just go down all the time. And so the only solution that we've found

so far and I mean we collectively have found is massive scale and that's what cloud flare did is they built massive scale to absorb these attacks and turn that into their entire business model knowing that this botnet or this you know web of

of zombie devices or whatever can't attack everyone at once so as long as we're big enough to absorb you know one big attack or as long as we're big enough to absorb it long enough that they run out of money because a lot of the time it's this is not even like like hackers thanks for link candyman hackers doing this a lot of the time this is just pay to play um like bot attacks where they'll where people will actually just rent

someone's network yeah so yeah so it's not necessarily a hacker like deciding yeah who the target is it can be it can be it can be but sometimes it's like you said it's it's paid for it's DDoS as a service it's like it's amazing what an industry just like being in there do well can has turned into oh yeah I mean really realistically has been forever but long as the internet's been a thing yeah so it's like I don't know man we we can't just rent to Pone is that a thing charged nuclei or did you come up with that super sounds like a thing it's got to be a thing rent to rent to Pone if it's not I mean I feel like it's going to become okay okay okay Helen Keller and floatplane chat says it is but how would

you have seen that yeah yeah yeah yeah how would you have ever heard of that okay that's not funny shout out Helen Keller oh dang yeah why would you laugh at that what's wrong with you actual socio sociopath my lips are really sore today I I had a couple did your teeth I had a couple really sleepless nights this week, and when I don't sleep well, I tend to get like mouth ulcers. Not cold sores. That's a different thing. Mouth ulcers. And what happens is the brackets will like hook into them and like rip them up. And it's like, yeah, my lips are really, really swollen right now. What? Nothing. What's funny? I want to know what's funny. Nothing, man. Nothing man. Anyways, all I'm saying is,

Like, it's, it's really not that simple. And I don't know what the future is going to look like, you know? Maybe we, maybe we weren't relying on these things. There is so much money behind the idea of keeping these things around that I'd be a little surprised if we were able to move past it. And ultimately, the uptime that most sites get from these things, and by these things, I'm generally referring, there are many others, but I'm generally referring to Azure AWS and Cloudflare, the uptime benefit that a lot of people have from working with these groups is so much higher than the impact when they go down and I need you to listen to me when I say this this part's very very important are you laughing at them nope making oral sex jokes about me totally not at all because I'm not going to take this

okay I'm not going to have I'm not going to have a bunch of float goats okay talking to me about throat pain the platform they use uh thanks dad uh what was i even saying oh yeah okay the thing i need you to hear this part's very important

when your service goes down if you can go yeah but look it's azure or AWS or cloud flare and like a third of the internet is down almost everyone's going to shrug it off

if your service goes down and you're hosting everything yourself you look terrible they're going to be mad at you yeah which one which one which one you're going to choose is it getting blamed for everything

and it actually being your fault all the time or is it being able to point at the big nebulous thing that no one's really going to be able to go blame or do anything about anyways a lot of I professionals are going to pick the one where they can point at the giant company that just took down a third of the internet anyways so you are you are not alone you will also have comments if your system has comments are people talking about it you'll have someone going oh my god i can't

believe this thing is down and then there will be replies to it saying oh actually it's just a w s being down part me hard says can confirm 30% of my customer base was down so so much easier to pass the buck yes yep uh should we actually read through the topic that was prepared for us by the drama for you. Jordan Block? Yes, we should, because it looks like he honestly did a fantastic job.

Yeah, you just like started talking about it. Sorry. So the thing we've been talking about for the last 15 minutes. Yeah. This week's out is brought to you by Cloudflare. X chat GPT, Spotify, and countless other sites and services,

including Flooplane. We're unavailable this week. Ours was only partially, which I think actually made people more confused, but hey, it is what it is. We're unavailable this week after problems at infrastructure provider, Cloudflare. Cloudflare offers DDoS protection,

bot mitigation content delivery and so much more so much more uh to uh more than 24 million active websites and services yeah we can't just unplug it i swear um it's estimated that at least 20 percent of the web uses cloud flare infrastructure to some degree the outage comes after outages on microsoft's azure and amazon's a ws platforms brought down large chunks of the internet in the latter weeks of october and then almost everyone I talked to was like, wouldn't it be crazy if Cloudflare went down too? And then it did. That was funny.

This week's outage was triggered by a permissions change that ultimately caused a database to output duplicate entries into what Cloudflare cause its feature file used by their bot management system. The feature file basically contains a list of traits used by the bot management system's machine learning model to make a prediction about whether a given request was. automated or not. This file is refreshed every few minutes and is published to Cloudflare's entire network to ensure that they're able to quickly react to changing internet conditions, including new types of bots and bot attacks. This thing is very important. The feature file is meant to contain a limited number of these features, and the bot management system, like other modules, has a specific amount of memory pre-allocated on Cloudflare's proxies for performance reasons. That makes sense, especially when you're at scale. The larger than expected feature file, however, caused the bot management system to go past this memory limit, causing the threads to panic and ultimately resulted in a 5XX error. You know, it's funny how, like, the more things change, the more things stay the same. It's like, my, um, my friend in elementary school's dad was like a hyper geeky guy. And he had, um, he had this, he had this shirt that he was just like, you know, you know,

that shirt that's like so covered in coffee stains and like is full of holes but you just still wear it all the time because it's just your favorite shirt yeah on the front it just said insufficient memory at this time and it worked really well because he was just like he was just kind of a space cadet kind of guy like super super nice guy super nice guy love him um but he was just you know he's just like kind of like sorry what were we talking about like just you know a guy who's to me. You know, I get, I get it. You know, I connect. Um, and I just, I, I, I thought it was funny at the time, like, kind of, because, you know, memory overflow issues were not really as much of a thing because we had page files and stuff by the time I got into computers. And yet, here we are.

All these years later. And, uh, you know, oops, sorry. We, we overflowed our pre-allocated memory. We grip that. Sorry, internet's the old. Oops, the whole internet. Yeah. Yeah. The, that impacted other systems that rely on the proxies and ultimately caused the outage. While the Cloudflare team responded within just four minutes of the errors occurring, it was ultimately about five and a half hours before things were back to normal.

Not too surprising. Medi Dowdy, CEO of Internet Performance Monitoring Platform Cashpoint, told the verge that the recent string of high-profile outages should be a wake-up call for companies. everybody's putting all their eggs in one back oh this sorry this is a quote everybody's putting all their eggs in one basket and then they're surprised when there's a problem uh doubty says it's on the company's side

to make sure that they have redundancy and resiliency uh sure uh sorry I don't think pretty much anything's going to change because of this but but good quote uh because I mean okay we're just double all the cost anyways uh as usual Cloudflare's blog gives a ton of detail on exactly how this played out And it's, yeah, as per usual, it's really good.

Check it out if you want to learn more. That's weird. I thought when I collapse a topic, it collapses it on your screen too. I just collapsed to that topic. That's weird. I did not know that that didn't sync. Is that a new thing for Google Docs? I don't know.

Speaking of new things for Google Docs, this isn't new, but do you guys remember when on touchscreen devices you could zoom Google Docs? Because I do. Can they just bring that back, please? I really love that. thanks if there's anyone from Google watching that'd be super cool what are we supposed to be doing Dan we've done two topics he walked away he walked away he's not even there chair stream we have no producer chair stream we have no we don't have to

we don't have to do we have complete freedom to do anything we want watch this I'm gonna I'm gonna switch between all the different cameras yeah let's go we're stupid Okay, should we just do another topic? Why don't we do the bad news? Do you want to hear the bad news? Yeah. Which one? Wait, no, no, we should do the CW announcements.

Okay, so guys, it's been a pretty sick time to shop on LTT store.com. And it's going to be even sicker. So we still have our loot drop running right now Holiday loot drop I just chatted with Dave this morning And he confirmed that the way things are going right now So I don't know if you remember this

But we advertised an approximate Odds of Winning That we were guessing at based on order quantities Does it say approximately? Yep. Approximately, one in every 10 qualifying orders will be randomly selected as a winner. That's what we said. Okay.

It looks like, assuming nothing goes absolutely bat-shund crazy over the next little bit, we are going to meet that. Okay. Yeah, so our concern was that we might have so many smaller orders that... Well, and all the mail. That the, yeah, that the odds of winning would go down a lot. Yeah. But it looks like we are going to meet that so far. Nice.

So it's a one in ten chance of getting a, um, what is it? I forget. It's a, it's a, I really want to get this right. Uh, hold on. But, but, but, but, here we go. Okay, approximately one in every ten qualifying orders is expected to win a pair of Senheiser HD 550 headphones and approximately one in every hundred. qualifying orders is expected to win an

ASUS ROG Xbox Xbox Ally X. So we have this promo running right now for orders over $100. Your order will be automatically entered into the holiday loot drop upon checkout. So in other

news, we also have some products. Do you want to actually bring up the site so that I can read the thing? Because I can I did. I'm done. Nice. What a guy. Luke laptop. Boom. Just like that. This week's drop is Oh, wait, no, we have other things running too. So in addition to the thermochromic jacket,

okay, you know what, let's do the thermochromic jacket first. This is the only jacket that literally shows off how hot you are. The outer shell uses a heat reactive fabric that shifts from red when cool to yellow when it's warm. So you get kind of a, you get kind of, if you're warm, very warm, it'll pass through a little bit. but realistically what happens more often is if someone touches it like if you're if you're you know you have your hand around someone and you have a hand on their shoulder or whatever it leaves like

cool handprints and stuff it's pretty fun to play with uh we have a heat gun we have one of the jackets we can play around with it a little bit and as cool as it looks it's functional too it's built with a water resistant heat reactive shell water resistant y kk zippers warm recycled insulation water resist, oh, this also, and an adjustable hood. Does it go kind of reverse? Like if you're really hot and then you walk out into the rain, do you see like cold spots? You, okay, so here's the thing.

I don't know how it works. You would have to, because the insulation's on the inside, right? So your heat doesn't pass through it too much under normal circumstances. Yeah. No, no, no, sorry. I mean, like, say you're indoors somewhere. I understand. If you're an extremely warm running boy,

you might be able to get it to turn yellow on the outside but it'll mostly be in like the creases and stuff so here I'll put this on and I'll wear it for a while nice and then and then you guys will see it's mostly a party trick though yeah yeah if we're like I want to be honest with you guys right it's mostly a party trip I was just what it basically does it go in reverse so when it's cold

if you apply heat it turns pretty quick okay all right we're gonna try nice sweet we have a heat gun and a water sprayer I didn't know that, to be clear. I knew we had the heat gun. I didn't know we had a spray bottle. Uh-oh. No, no, I just got the tag in the zipper.

Oh, I see. Oh. All right. I've actually been wearing this quite a bit over the last little bit. It's just kind of like a... here, hold on. It's kind of a nice little, nice little jacket. Justable hood. All right. It feels kind of in the current fashion.

Because it feels kind of like early 2000s, which is popular with the young ins these days. Right? Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like we have a fashion team. Yeah. We're also rolling into the cooler months with two fresh colorways of our blank,

long sleeve shirt. The deep red melange that I'm wearing, Linus can. So you can kind of see it. It's a melange. And the black aqua melange that Luke is wearing.

I really like it. Perfect for layering and styling during the fall season. You should explain melange. Oh, it's basically you have different dyes and the whole thing is woven together

to make the fabric. So when you look at it really close, like Luke is doing over on his laptop there, go. That's a melange fabric. See that? Very nice. Very nice. You want to switch over to the blue aqua? You can shop the collection at lmg.gg slash long sleeve. And now's as good a time as any to stock up on our apparel with our buy more save more apparel sale, which is running until November 26th. The more you buy, the more you save up to 25% with five plus items. This

has been an absolutely killer uh promo for the store people are absolutely loving it they're they're loading up on a bunch of the apparel it's uh pretty freaking awesome you can mix and match with like i mean i'm pretty sure it's all clothing items right pretty much it's close even some even new stuff like wan hoodie and stuff like that when hoodie uh you can see if we go to here you can see all the not necessarily all the white tags but when it says buy more save more it's included in the thing And it's like, it's a lot of stuff. Well, I know a big struggle for people with our stores compared to stores that just like do free shipping or like prime shipping or whatever else. I know that the shipping can be a real challenge.

But if you're loading up on five things, then you're saving a bunch on the items themselves, then that can help to offset the shipping. So I think this is kind of helping people break through that friction, break through that kind of shipping barrier and try a bunch more of the stuff, which is pretty cool. So if we had socks, you could do an entire outfit. Because you can do pants, I mean, you could even do a hat. You can do pants, underwear, shirt. You can do all of those things. I am wearing nothing but LTT right now. Including those?

These, I don't. Are you going to show those? We're not, this is not the final design. How long, dude? For socks? Yeah, soon. I want to do a refresh of mine. Soon.

Have you tried the prototype? no the most recent ones um they're like okay have we talked about the socks yeah uh quite a while ago yes okay um we talked about like we were talking about the the different like you want to i don't know weave or knit or something different amounts of across the sock because of like zones like where your toes are is where a heel is all this kind of stuff and they need to be done differently blah blah blah we talked about that on way jersil says you have but not in detail okay They are going to be freaking awesome For me

Because they're going to be exactly what I want Soirv says are they soft or are they more rough I can't do soft socks They're more of like a utility Like durable Practical sock So they're not going to be the softest sock in the world They're a marino blend

So they have real wool in them Which means you're not going to get like like a fleece feeling like a super super soft feeling from them um but you know i don't necessarily like too much stretch or too much um like softness in a sock because what i can what i find is that it can make it so that your foot can move too much in your shoe and i can actually get blisters especially when playing sports um so they're going to be super wicking super antimicrobial um thanks to a copper treatment that we're getting um that's actually uh through a partner in Canada here um they're going to be stretchy but not too stretchy they're going to have a variety

a variety of different weave styles so there's going to be like more breathable ones on the top yeah and more padded ones on the bottom cool um like all the things you would expect from a super high-end sock um i am like so excited we're finally we're finally doing it um chat is uh yelling at me to when they come out buy them before they sell out again yeah because i never get anything off this door i do feel like this is something that we are going to stock pretty heavy because we know like we've been talking about this project for like three or four years now or something like that i think i think this is going to be it.

I think this is the last project that was assigned to Bridget when she started. And I think she's going to be coming up on her five years, not that long from now, which to be clear is not because Bridget did a bad job at any stage. Bridget's amazing. Love working with Bridget. We actually did an AMD upgrade for her a little while ago. and I even just like watching back the video of us I was like oh that's so fun I love hanging out with Bridget like she she's great and I'm just an extremely difficult customer when it comes to what I put on my feet I can be kind of I can be kind of sensory defensive and if I don't like something it can be very binary yes I like it no I don't like it get rid of it and so it yeah it can be it can be pretty tough and between her and and

Tatiana and the rest of the fashion team they've like I had given up I told them forget it at a number of points and they're just like nah and they're just like no we're gonna back burner it but we're gonna keep trying what are your thoughts on sock warranty so basically the question becomes how much do you guys want to pay for it because there's no free lunch right so if we do but if it's a high-end sock at these amount of competitors have high-end I know I know so really what it comes down to is how we want to position it because what we could do is we could say hey this is a high-end sock that is very competitive with other very high-end socks but our price is going to be more palatable and there's no warranty but we're not going to do like the crazy warranty or okay not no warranty hold on relax yeah yeah no no no no I felt it coming or or we bake it in because those are those are the only two options and realistically our our model up until now has been that we bake it into everything because that's the trust me bro guarantee yeah because realistically I'm

don't really have a choice, which is exactly the point that I was trying to make all those years ago. I don't really have a choice. And I was so validated by the way that people freaked out about it. Because the second I even talked about not having a plan yet for how we were going to do warranty for something, I got my head bid off. On what? Sorry? On the backpack. The backpack timeline you don't fully remember correctly. This has been broken down. But that was part of my point was whether I like it or not, we don't, we don't have the option. Right. Right. Like as long as, as long as I'm here, the PR damage of us not taking care of people. I do agree. It's going to vastly outweigh any kind of benefit that we would get from not replacing your sock. Yep. Like, it's not really a

question. Right. I mean, do you disagree? No, but I don't also disagree that you should have just done a warranty in the first place with the backpack. Sure, but you should just figure out your correct stance. And if your stance is going to be that I'm going to replace it anyways, then you just give people the proper warranty that says that. But here's the, well, hold on, but okay, so you're forgetting a detail, though, because our written warranty that people read about that they wanted so badly does not say that. Uh, no, I know. Yeah, it doesn't say that. Yeah, but if you're going to say that for the socks. So we're not going to say that for the socks. Okay. Because no company would be crazy enough to do that. Uh, they do.

that was who i'm pretty i know fial raven does that with multiple things oh i no no i see what you mean osprey does that with bags okay so then again so so there's multiple facets of this right because they might say that but ultimately what it comes down to when it comes down to it it's it's their ability and their willingness to fulfill it i think a few of these companies have like long-term examples of doing that over time like all the ones that i named and that's reputation yes but these companies might not exist forever for sure but i don't think that's a reason to not do it and if they ever did make a serious strategic error in their products and they were ever unable to fulfill it you simply like wouldn't get a replacement which is exactly what i was talking about when i was

trying to figure out okay what would a system look like by which our commitment whatever commitment it is that we make could survive any event which was the whole point of what i was talking about is whatever we lay down whatever we lay down in writing it should be something that we can actually commit to and you know as a weird influencer company rather than like a physical goods company that has 50 years of history or whatever to to lean into or has you know is publicly held right like if i die the ownership of linus media group all of a sudden becomes a major question. Yep.

And Linus Media Group's legal obligations become a major question, right? So the whole point of it was like, okay, what would that, what would that look like? As long as I'm here and as long as I'm breathing, then it would be crazy for us to not just take care of people. And if I'm not, what does that look like? And what people wanted was, hey, here's some platitudes. And so we gave it to them. Sure.

But at the end of the day, what our actions are are the trust me bro guarantee. Yeah, but going above and beyond is good. Of course. Right. Of course. Should have never meant that you didn't have a warranty to begin with. And another detail that a lot of people miss is we never launched the product without a warranty in place. I think we did.

No, we didn't. I'm pretty sure we did. I promise you. Let me go try to find it. Nobody was, nobody received a single backpack. I think they did. Without a warranty. Or maybe received it.

Maybe we started sales before it was there. We started. signups but we never took money until we actually had the product in stock so it's one of those things where it was a theoretical it was a theoretical issue it's going to take me a while to find it yeah that's that's fine um the point is for the socks realistically i don't know if we have I don't know if we really have a choice I think we pretty much have to kind of bake it in

whether we explicitly include that in a warranty or not is what it is what it kind of boils down to does that kind of make sense and that that logic has always been consistent from day one of the store the customer care team's instructions have always been within reason

make it right take care of the customer Yeah. And there are cases where they do say no because it's like not reasonable. But in most cases, you know, if it, if it is a, if it is actually anything wrong with the product that you bought, then the instructions are take care of it. No, I'm not researching immortality, IKEA Cherry. like what I what do you expect in terms of like a sock warranty that's another that's another thing I'm kind of curious about I honestly before I found like marino wool socks and companies like icebreaker and darn tough that I don't know about ice breakers warranty but honestly osprey darn tough all these different brands that have lifetime warranties I never would have expected any of them existed I'm very very surprised that any of them exist. I'm not saying that they shouldn't. I'm just really surprised

that they do. I assumed if you bought a wool sock and you put a hole in it 14 years later that you put a hole in your sock and you should get a new sock, but that's apparently not a thing at a certain point. Like someone in chat even said they had a darn tough sock that was like five years old or something. They got a hole in it. They shipped it to darn tough and they got new socks back. Now my understanding of the darn tough warranty is that that's a one-time thing per purchase so so even even I have no idea yeah even an unconditional you know warranty that doesn't necessarily mean I because I think I think you know that when I bought my whole wardrobe worth of darn tough socks um because I love darn tough socks regardless of whether you know

we're going to sell our own or like compete with them or whatever like if we could have partnered with darn tough and just you know re-branded darn tough I'd have been down to do it I love their product it's a great product remember did you guys try uh we've reached out to them but for you know one reason or another that is no fault of theirs and no i mean they don't need to no fault of ours not every partnership makes sense no sure i'm not blaming anybody but for whatever reason you know we didn't end up doing we didn't end up partnering with them on it yeah that's all i have to say about it um but if we could have i would have and just because we're going to make our product doesn't mean that i'm not going to you know honestly talk about another company's product that

that I also really think is very high quality. So, yeah, darn tough makes a great product. My understanding is that it's one time. And if you go into sort of the fine details of it, many warranties do have legal sort of get out of jail-free verbiage in them. And, you know, like I get that because I think I told you. you, my devious plan when I bought two weeks worth of darn tough socks was that they would be the last socks that I ever bought

because I was just going to get, like, warranty claim socks for the rest of my life. Rutherford the Brave in Flooplane Chat said, correct, you can only use it once per pair. I probably buy one to three pairs per year and replace one to two pairs every one to two years. All claims made in good faith will be considered. so even what is that that's that's that's darn tough cool okay so what people have to understand

is that any warranty it comes down to the company's willingness that everyone bakes in because your lawyers will not allow you to write a warranty that says I will be liable for every product I ship forever

no sane lawyer would ever allow you to write that into a written warranty I was trying to figure out if there was a way that we could do it. People wanted something else. And that's valid. Yeah, there's a thread on the forum that says that when we recount this, we get it slightly wrong. And they have wayback machines and Archive.comt today links and links to the Wancho and stuff.

And there's a link to three different Wanchos, all of which are, well, okay, it's August 5th, August 12th, and August 18th. of three years ago, uh, 2022. Um, and on the wayback machine, you can see in a archive of the backpack page, which has a add to cart for full price and, and the amount of backpacks that were remaining in the wave that we were shipping at the time from August 4th, meaning they were on sale when we were still talking about having a warranty. So this is the August 4th way back machine $250 box add to cart

so it looks like it was it does say back order this is a back order yeah this is the back so for both screwdriver and backpack

we did kind of a weird thing where we I think we did you check out but didn't I'm trying to remember how we did it

for backpack so for screwdriver what we did was we did an in person event where we launched it and then like a hundred people

could buy it or something like I'm fairly certain we did with a backpack like a thousand people could buy it you had a bunch there okay so you know what that's that's true then I guess the people who bought it in person technically did buy it before we had finalized but I think there's also this thing right there's whatever this is this is a back order yet yeah right but

that means they bought it so they yeah they didn't receive it but they bought it pre-warranty they gave us money yes which was fully refundable and we were pending figuring it out which I always said from the beginning I said we're going to figure it out I'm just saying I'm just saying I saw this thread forever ago from Flaming Otter on the forum and they did some good research and they linked the wayback machine archive.org and date stamped all these wandshows and all this kind of stuff and I had I had kind of forgotten the exact order of events so I appreciated this was a correction but yeah so that's we just we end up circling this topic all the time so I just want to

want to make sure we're, uh, yeah, doing it right. So it was right of people to want something in writing, but my intention was never to screw anybody over. Even if I wanted to, the consequences would have outweighed the benefit. No, I do agree. I think I've always agreed with that. Like the audience would slaughter you. Well, they did.

Right, like it. It completely proved my point. my entire point was like yeah this is irrelevant this is utterly irrelevant because if I ever

fucked anyone over I would get raked which is why like man why didn't you just do it in the first place I told you at the time I had such a bad reason I didn't explain it very well

and it was a hold on it was an emotional reason yes which is a bad reason but it didn't come from a bad place. I was trying to figure out, okay, like, no, seriously, you know, because, you know, I think about, like, you know, long-term, succession plan, legacy. But this is, this is expected from warranties.

Like, if you look up what happens to a warranty, if the company disappears, it's like, I wanted to do better. Yeah, it's gone. Yeah, but. Like, I was, okay, literally. Do the minimum first and then try to do better. Literally, what, like, one of the conversations that I'd had with Yvonne beforehand, but I didn't want to talk about this because I didn't want to commit to it I didn't want people to get this

idea in their head but I was like okay what if like in trust we have like fun set aside to lease space to like warehouse replacement parts like after the company shuts down I know it's insane but that's what I was trying to figure out if there was like a reasonable way to do my only my only point was that I think the timeline slightly off I think we should uh I think we should the chat is yelling at us to move on. I think we should the audience is guiding us onwards from this topic we should we should move we should listen to them

and move on heat gun already says heat gun oh sure hit me not too close it's a heat gun it's like very hot it has a use this one yeah it has a lock yeah you just move that down just down here we go hold on here I have to I have to be working

I have to be here what do you mean is it yes it's definitely like to be very close nice why would you do that look you're happy now I'm very happy right now um oh hold on my hands

my hands aren't that warmer your hands warm uh not really it might work anyways hold on okay no I think you're warmer yeah I think I'm probably warmer Okay

If your hands are really warm It happens pretty fast But if you're like a cold hands kind of person Then it can take a little while There you go Anyway It looks cool and I've seen it a few times Like if you somebody like gives you a hug

And you see the arms around the back So here's the back just sitting against the chair Like you end up with a little bit of The hood too It's heat trapped a little bit Yeah So it's like I said It's more of a

It's more of like a like a party trick and less of like it's going to look like fire you know all the time or whatever but it's it's pretty neat it's a pretty neat party trick oh right spray the water yeah uh so we got to make a warm zone oh sure yeah hit me oh here do this side Okay nice Whoa yeah see that's crazy So if you come from like a really warm area And walk outside into the rain

It's gonna look wild Yeah I think that's awesome That's actually really cool I've never seen the reverse I've only seen it heat up Right That's sweet

I am like dying right now wearing this inside it's it's pretty warm you can see the inside is uh oh yeah turned yellow yeah yeah hug my my like whole my arms and my hands are very cold oh yeah and in the sleeves it tends to go like that in the in the creases and stuff so it's just i don't know it's just it's kind of it's kind of neat yeah basically this is one of those garments where we didn't set out trying to make a jacket and then look for a material we came across a cool material and then we were like very 3M style let's um yeah let's let's let's find something to make out of this yeah yeah yeah yeah oh uh what are we supposed to be doing merch messages oh yeah uh want to hit

me with a couple oh wait i should explain what they are uh for those who are new to the show merch messages are the way to interact uh not like just throwing money at your screen no you should throw money at lttt store dot com get great quality merchandise in return and also you can send a merch message to a producer dan just whenever we're live fill in this box in your cart that's right cart not checkout and you can select a color select if you want it to be your name or to be anonymous and then producer dan will either curate your merch message for me and luke to respond or he might oh here i'm gonna there we go uh oh uh but sorry press the wrong thing luke uh loop loop laptop there we go uh wait no what did i want to do what are you doing

I was trying to point at this. There we go. He might just, he might reply to it. He might just pop your message up if it's like, hey, mom, or, you know, whatever. And we'll show you what it looks like. Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple of merch messages? Yeah, sure. I've got a bunch coming in here.

Hey, Litmus, Duke, and Flan. Love the new energy in recent LTD videos. How has the shift impacted the creative process slash morale for the team? And has it reinvigorated the fun of making content? for you. Huh? I don't know. I think we're kind of just doing what we're doing. We're, uh, I mean, if you're talking like about the Valve video specifically, like, we're, we're pretty excited about.

Yeah, we're pretty excited about those. We're always happy when there's just like, you know, cool, cool tech for us to talk about. That really does make our lives a lot easier. Um, other than that, I'm, I'm not, I'm not 100% sure to what you are referring. I don't know. sir yeah we're i do really like it said the the the high sense video didn't get more views i don't know what's going on with that it feels weird but that was a sweet video the valve videos were both awesome there's been some really good stuff lately i don't know man it's um you're so strange these days it's really it's really really tough right now like that xbox might be cooked one

did like bangor numbers out of the gate like as good as the one before it with the speaker the speaker scam but then just trailed off the Linus went undercover to answer your tech questions was doing really great and then or oh wait yeah

that one was doing really great and then trailed off and then I'm trying to think if there's one that like started out horrible Graphene OS started slow and then you can see is now above average so like the the rhyme and reason to it all

It's felt like more than ever before the knobs are being like actively turned over time and I mean that in both directions. Certain videos are just like really taking off in ways that you might not expect and videos are just being crushed in ways you might not expect. It's interesting.

And it's always funny to see people you know, talk about on the subreddit. It's become a bit of a pattern. The ones that are poor performers, I'm going back to your laptop. Sure. The ones that are poor performers, tend to be kind of like

core audience like subreddit and forum user favorites and what I kind of have to say to those folks is like okay do something about it because we're getting fucking crushed here on them

like the amount of positivity for this buyer DIY that is mostly hosted by Jordan where we I did see a lot of positivity behind this so positive people really like this video is It's calming. It's dying. Yeah. It's like,

it's one of the worst performers out of the last few weeks. And that's not because Jordan did a bad job. It's because... People are really positive. Yeah. Oh, it's like super positive. I think it basically just comes down to

that some of the, some of the passion of this hobby is getting hard right now. With just like how expensive things are. How expensive things are and how boring a lot of things. are like you see the valve content people came out it's just like oh wow there's really interesting hardware coming yeah i will look at this they're here for it yeah okay ah man so here's a here's a crazy thing if the mainstream affordable tech is like not coming back like you look at

AMD's talking about increasing pricing on their GPUs. They were down to MSRP for like two weeks. I can't have that. Well, no. I'll pump it up. I understand why they're doing it. Have you seen what's happened to DRAM pricing over the last few weeks? Like, it's not like, it's that they don't make DRAM.

They have to buy it same as I do, same as you do. They have to buy DRAM from Samsung or SK Hynix or whoever the case may be, Micron. I don't buy my DRAM. I know you don't. but some people have to. So for the people who do, right, that's a cost. That's a cost that went up a lot.

And, you know, like, oh, they should just absorb it. Like, that's nice. That would be very generous of them, but that's not how... That's not going to be how it works. That's not how corporations work. Yeah. So where was I going with this?

Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. So prices are coming up. So here's an interesting, here's an interesting question. I don't think Yeah This is from TechSpot I don't know if the days of LTT

doing you know 130 million views a month on building computers are coming back and so with that in mind like you know what do we

what do we make videos about um i think there's like a opportunity to do things differently like i've been i've been trying to get slightly louder and louder and louder over time about spinning up a labs channel at some point um i don't know if new channel's going to help us out because like that's that it's not gonna we got to figure out some of our production efficiency woes yes um i think it absolutely can and it should we might need to change how like pipelines in the company i have oh man i don't know if we want to talk about this or not i have ideas on things um like it might it might not make as much sense to have these massive silos that have to try to lob things between each other all the time it might

make more sense to um have like individual channels basically manage their own pipelines um That creates its own set of inefficiency. It sure does. Which we have learned from experience. Sure. And I won't say that the previous attempt at that was perfectly managed. But I can say that we gave it the old college try, and it was not great. What was that for?

I don't want to get into the specifics right now because it would. Yeah. No, that's fair enough. That's why this conversation could be hard. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, okay. It's not that I don't believe you. I just, I don't, just not 100% sure what you're talking about.

Like, here's, here's a crazy thought. Here's a totally crazy thought. Like, we've talked about this offline, but... Planes not sinking, guys, relax. Yeah, we're just... We're okay. We're okay. LNG has had to reinvent itself multiple times. I think any company that has substantially existed on YouTube for this long

will have reinvented itself a bunch of times. This is not, like, chill. Yeah, it's not always in ways that are even necessarily obvious from the outside, but we have completely changed how we run our production many times. And so, you know, like, I think we've talked about this offline. We might have even mentioned this on Wancho before, but I came across recently that, and this is really stuck in my head because it completely shifted my view of how the consumer market works.

But half of all consumer spending in the U.S. is now the top 10% of earners. Have we talked about that on the show, Dan? do you remember he doesn't pay attention I'm not sure I don't think so um that absolutely yeah okay Gerasol says yes we have that still it's like still on my mind

it's shocking it's one of the facts that I've been telling more and more people lately it's just weird it does make a lot of things make more sense it really does but it is very weird but it blows me away so so here's a thing like imagine because we used to make videos about high-end GPUs all the time, right?

We'd make a video about the, you know, uh, 780, you know, or the, the, the, the, the, the, the GTX 680 or, you know, whatever, right? Like, about these high-end GPUs. And remember, a high-end GPU used to be $500, $700. And we'd get, you know, a million, two million. I think it really peaked around the RTX 30 series when I think the announcement for the RTX 30 series got like three plus. or 4 million views or something like that.

Our 5090 review got over 3 million views? I'll get to that in a moment. Because there's a big difference to me between like a spectacle product. Like the biggest TV in the world consistently will get over 3 million views for us. But for a different reason than why a GTX

1650 review might get 3 million views. This is because everyone's kind of like, oh this is an opportunity for me to see and vicariously experience it something that I would never see in person and this is because I am deeply considering purchasing this thing and I need to know more about it yes yeah and what we have right now in between those two is an expanse of dead zone is what it feels like to me where you have these products that are

neither affordable to that 90% of U.S. consumers that are making up half of spending. And then you've got these like these Halo products that are still interesting, but you don't get very often. Like if our channel was dependent on Nvidia to release a Halo GPU for every like bangor hit on our channel, we, we wouldn't have been fine when you and I first started doing computer stuff and it was like every seven. months. There was a new flagship. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. That was a wild time to be a computer enthusiast. Yeah. It's like you'd buy a new PC. You'd bring it home. You'd turn it on.

Fire up an internet browser and find out it was obsolete. Like that was like, that was a meme. Yeah. And so, you know, here's a crazy idea. What if we just accept that a lot of our videos are going? Because we've avoided creating too many videos about high-end stuff. like you probably remember I vowed not to

not to go 40 series you know because pricing was unreasonable clearly that changed nothing invidia's G4 sales go up like clockwork more and more people are buying G4s even though 90% of people who have

half of the purchasing power are angry about G4's pricing justifiably so because it's out of reach but like what do we do do we segment our content so do we have the videos that are designed for that 10% of the audience where we evaluate high-end stuff knowing that only half a million people are going to watch it and then do we have content that we design around everyone else that's like okay here's the you know for for have a hot take

you know whatever steam machine versus DIY PC you know affordable Linux gaming PC which is the way to go and we really like hyper-focus who the audience is for any given video. Have a hot take. Yeah, hit me. I think you're thinking about it too much and that you did this forever. Because we had extremely high-end systems. We had your like, what if you put a GPU from both vendors in your machine and ran Crossfire and SLI at the same time, what would happen going on at the same time

is we had the compensator and Scrapyard War is happening. We have always shown both sides of the coin. We have, but what I can tell you is that the... One side is getting a lot less views these days. Okay, sure. I think you can still do it. Well, no, it's not just that. It's that, it's, it, well, those, so those are both still doing fine.

Those, the extremes are both still doing fine. It's the, it's the like, man, what would be like an equivalent it's like the build guide it's like the silent PC build guide the $2,000 PC build guide that is in this sort of like dead zone

like all MSRP this yeah absolutely died now now this one this one had a problem the problem was that we shot this uh the very all the comments are about ramp prices

so RAM prices started to take off literally in the couple of weeks that this was sitting in editing and that sucks because when we did the build it was like we were going to be like on it like you remember talking about this on WAN show right like we were going to be on it highlighting finally some good news

finally a freaking good time to be alive for people who like building their own PCs this is just a great shot I got to, hold on one sec. What is this? Wait for it. Wait for it. When he puts the thing on the shelf and the piece of paper naturally falls, fantastic.

Yeah. Cinematic masterpiece. Yeah. Um, with that said, with that said, I still think that if you're somewhat shopping for a PC, this Black Friday could be a pretty good time to, to move, even with Ramp prices being as crappy as they are, because it's only a matter. of time before other components that use RAM, like GPUs, are also going to spike. And storage is also apparently going to spike. So, yeah, watch out. But yeah, it's that, it's that like everyday, like the very first PC build guide we did

was a $1,500 PC build guide. And it's kind of crazy to think about that, because that was over 10 years ago. And so, you know, with inflation or whatever, you would think I would be able to get a similar amount of interest in building a $2,000 PC today. But because the individual components feel so... Because some categories have come down.

Like, cases are kind of shockingly affordable these days. Like, man, it was, I think, David's upgrade. We picked up this, like, Chinese brand case that had, like, glass all over it and, like, came with a bunch of fans. And I'm, like, looking at this thing. It was like $70 or something like that. I was like, this is crazy, right?

Like, you remember when the, the Coursera 900D came out? It was like $300. Dude, you could get a case that may not have as much steel in it, but it's so much more featured today for literally, like a quarter of the price. It's wild. But then people get this sticker shock of they go to buy a freaking GPU, or they don't realize that you can just buy a mainstream.

motherboard and they they look at how much like a gamer top of the line chipset motherboard costs and they go holy shit this forget it you know i'm out i'm out and uh i think it just it just takes some of the it takes some of the it takes some of the joy out of it for sure i know a lot of people that have effectively exited the hobby at this point um like personally because it's just like man i can't keep up and it's it's it's it's not okay it's obviously clearly both but I think the bigger impact of it is not actually the price of computer components going up I think it's the price of everything else going up and their income's not matching that's fair um because they're feeling squeezed on any form of

extra extra hobbies extra activities eating over food any form of anything is feeling squeezed it's not just their their hobbies their interest in computer stuff it's a tough time what is a channel what does a channel look like that can kind of cater to the top of the k-shaped economy and also the bottom of the k-shaped economy how do we design that channel i don't think it's that different you think so i don't think it's that different i think um I think you keep that in mind. I think you understand that the middle is, like, not that interesting and just do both. Like I said, we would do insane Lambo builds back in the day.

Not literally Lamborghini, but, like, just... Fancy things. And then also would do Scrapid Wars and cheaper things like that. Oh. yeah we'll figure it out we'll figure it out um i think this one this this video felt like it kind of rhymed i haven't watched these it rhymed ads uh yeah if you go back and go forward again it usually gets rid of it but do you remember this free or extremely cheap DIY PC test bench yeah um i haven't watched it yet but you guys just a piece of wood basically you basically

you take a computer case and you Oh, you don't do, yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. You turn it into a test bench by using, uh, wooden legs. Um, our videos used to be really short back then. I know, um, I was like, wow, I'm at the end already. Um, but yeah, it's, it's, it's, I saw you guys do the like, uh, I haven't watched it yet, but the server rack video and I was like, huh, cool. Yeah. Uh, and I mean, maybe we just have to, maybe part of it is, uh, because I know

you and I have talked about like we I think we need to get back to the daily schedule I think oh yeah to be part of people's daily routine I think that is an important part of Linus tech tips ethos is that it's been when we were really hitting it we're hitting it every day yeah you could you could come to your computer after work and there would be an LTT video or at breakfast time or you know everybody had like their routine yeah um I think we have to hit it every day And there's, there's things that doesn't just mean like, you know, um, push the writers harder. There's like, we got to find ways to accomplish that. And a seven and a half minute video might be one of the ways to do that.

Yeah. I also talked to somebody, I was talking to a couple people about this, but, uh, let me, let me pitch it on Wancho and see why you don't like it. Um, but I have my, my new idea for short circuit and my new idea for short circuit. which I'm going to need to chop around to a bunch of people if it's even any good as an idea. Stems off of a type of video that was your idea back in the day that we filmed. If I look up, let me jump to here, GTX 980. Here we go.

This video is a good example of it. So it starts off and you're hosting and you actually, I noticed this while I was talking to someone about this idea. you actually like take it out of the box there you go uh it's not an unboxing but let's use the framing of the video instead of the actuality of the video sure but you you started off you're talking about the product you look at the product you're talking about how it's physically built you're talking about the new cooler it looks all cool and stuff um you talk about software features you go through the io you do things that you might do if this was a short circuit unboxing yep okay because I mean, that's LTT's origin, right?

This is 11 years ago. So this is not far after LTT was an unboxing channel. Yes. This is us kind of like morphing. Evolving. We're kind of in the middle. So this is unboxing. And you've always said your name for short circuit is Unboxing Plus.

This video also had a plus. Yeah, with a little bit of performance testing. Hello. What if we did. Snow Wars. What a shirt. I don't think we had a, I know, that too. Is that meant to be like Calvin and Hobbs looking font? It's supposed to be

Calvin and Hobbs like cosplaying Star Wars. That's Calvin down there. Brilliant. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, though. Yeah. So what if we kind of did it this way? So, because there's been, I've heard a bunch of different complaints about shorts. I finally shot one and experienced how it goes and stuff. And one of the, one of the things that I've heard is that it's like, it's unboxing, but it's not necessarily the first unboxing. Yeah. Like, say, for example, if someone unboxed it before and now it's in a power profile that you didn't expect it to be in.

You might have noticed the glowing yellow icon in the corner, but, you know, that's fine. We can take the entire blame for that. I mean, yeah, we're not. We could focus on the thing that we're trying to talk about, though. That would be good. So what if we did a thing? Why are you so sensitive? this goes both ways big guy uh okay so what if we did an actual unboxing yeah so what if very shortly

after it came in you know we got to give some time whether it's it's uh bell or it's maybe someone from the last team or whatever prepares some form of one page or document that doesn't yet have performance numbers in it but it has like points that you should probably hit about this product um and they they still sit on the side a lot of the shooting is the same it just doesn't have the labs input yet you do your unboxing and everything and then one of the ways i was thinking about is you like actually physically like toss the product off camera you're not the first person to pitch this to me today and then oh today and what i said to them is that that works great until and i think this will happen on a not infrequent basis something about the initial unboxing and impressions

conflicts with something in the, but we've actually tested it now. So how do we not waste the viewer's time sitting through mistaken impressions to get to the part where we correct it? I don't know if that's going to happen too often. I do think you're right. It will happen. I think one of the parts of this that effectively needs to happen is that the first, I don't know the proper term for this, but when it's cut together before it's like properly edited,

but they have the footage cut together. I think that should be output and hand it over to the people in the lab. So while they're testing it, they can see what the person said. And then if minor corrections need to be made with like, you know, voice dub or whatever, it can be done.

Anytime you have to go back and do a pickup, it is just devastating to the workflow because it's like... I don't know how often that's going to have to happen, though, because like there are some things, like an example that I'm assuming the other person I was talking to about this brought up was brightness yeah they're like what if I like the brightness but it turns out that the spec that they advertised was like incredibly high knit and then the labs finds that it's

below the advertised spec yeah because there's so little content that will actually take advantage of a super high brightness display uh because it's just like not mastered for it it's particularly becoming a thing with like newer films is many of them are mastered to such a low HDR brightness that they might as well not be HDR at all. And so depending on the content that the host, you know, happens to find to watch, they might form a completely wrong impression of the brightness of the display. And it's like it's one of those things where like in theory, yeah, you can have expert hosts who just like won't do that. But that's not scalable. That's not, it's not that manageable.

It's hard to, it's hard to train for every edge case. In my opinion, and it, it, the audience might not agree. Yeah. In my opinion, if someone's impression of the brightness is good. Yeah. And then we test it and get a number that's like not necessarily, uh, I, I think the example that was given was it doesn't match the manufacturer's spec. Not necessarily that we found that it was bad.

Yeah. But we found that didn't match the manufacturer's spec. I mean, I think a manufacturer false. advertising their product is bad. Right, but we still call that out in the video. But it can be, hey, the brightness of this device feels good. And it can be, hey, their spec doesn't match. That's bad.

That both can be in the same video, I think. I think those can live together. I'm having a very hard time. I mean, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, you know, no, you're wrong. Right? Like, you might very well be right. I don't know. But I am having a very hard time imagining a world where I want to watch a

that contradicts itself that doesn't just that's a contradiction that doesn't just do the work ahead of time and then get alignment between the teams so that the message is consistent and like I have no problem with a host saying in fact like this is something that you would have seen me do in script review all the time back in the day like if you were preparing a laptop or something like that then I might say something in the video about and coming around to the keyboard well this is a bit of a mixed bag. Luke, who was the writer for this project, absolutely loved it.

But here's the thing. And we'd get a B-roll shot of my hand in Luke's hand. My hand's a little bit smaller than Luke's, and I actually found it pretty hard to reach the shift key, which for a grammar Nazi like myself, who cares about things like capitalization and punctuation is a big problem. Like that's exactly the kind of thing

that I might write into a script. but that's tidy it's in a nice little bow it contains both perspectives and i don't have to wait around to get the other perspective and i've always preferred to to wrap things in a tight bow or i shouldn't say always i mean going back if you go back far enough we would actually i would say something that i think about the product and i would cut the camera and then we would come back and the camera would start rolling again and I wouldn't edit anything and I'd say oh actually I just looked it up on my phone and that's not right the spec is actually this I think I remember like if we go back far enough I basically did exactly what you're pitching no it's different okay a little

different it's pretty different I mean it's here's my impression and here's what I think no it's quite literally unboxing plus a thing it's unboxing and impressions and experience which is what unboxing means and the reason why it's so confusing to the entire audience. And then it adds on labs testing on the end instead of trying to mix it throughout. I understand the vision of the thing that you're talking about. Yeah. I think it's just what I'm trying to accomplish is the path through our workplace right now for a thing that comes in for short circuit is very difficult. And this path is significantly simplified. And I think there is potential that the really likes it in that structure. I also think there's potential that it just sucks. I'm not trying

to dismiss your concern. There's also devices where it's really not simplified. Anything with battery testing should absolutely go through the lab first and should go nowhere near a set before it has been battery tested because you're just adding an enormous potentially like huge delay to to the time when you can film the first segment like the impression segment and when you can film the second one so you've got you'll have these projects that are just in production limbo waiting for the second part to be tested and then shot and then delivered to the editor so why did you even bother to shoot this piece in the first place so part of the this plan that i didn't explain was that it can sit in editing and in labs testing at the same

time so that the hosted part the probably more difficult part to edit the okay the primarily primary hosted part because the labs hosted part would be so short could could start editing while the labs is testing so that's something that i've pitched many times um like having editing the part of a video that the editors have already and then i'll deliver you the rest nobody likes it okay i mean i don't know imagine from like a development standpoint if someone was like yeah here's the first half of the project that i want done it doesn't really matter. I guess you like could do that, but it's a lot easier. It's a lot easier if you have a full scoped out, you know, work order and you know exactly what it is that you're building. People

generally like to have all of the Lego pieces come in the box rather than building half of the kit and then getting the rest of the pieces later and then putting them together at the end in general because there are aspects of the edit that do carry forward between the two parts. And it's not the kind of thing that I think nuts and bolts folks might necessarily consider, but, okay, I want music that matches this tone, I want music that matches the tone of this, and I want them to kind match the tone and transition well into each other. It's hard for me to do that when I don't have both pieces from the very start. And so, look, I'm not saying, I'm not saying no. I'm just saying that it's not that simple either. No, I didn't think it was that simple. I'm trying to figure out

how to solve for some of these things you're talking about music like i wonder if we could almost have i've pitched it what just a library of like a finite number of tracks and they're just like all in a folder and they're all what ones pair yeah and and and and the thing is that like that's the kind of cookie cutter thinking that people like you and i would look at and go well that just makes common sense but it's also the kind of thing that the really like audiovisual creative folks who have driven a huge part of the advancements of our visual identity on our channel over the years would look at and go, well, yeah, no, that's not really how it works if you don't want things to start to feel samey and start to feel bland and boring. It's an interesting thing, though, because I know of one successful channel, I'm not saying, like, no, they're wrong, to be very clear.

I just, I know one very successful channel that I watch from time to time has, a specific cadence to it. Someone will be talking in a particular style, and then they'll start talking in a different style. And when they switch to that other style, the same track comes on every single time, multiple times in a video and every single video, and it works great.

And that's a, but that's a stylistic thing. That is a stylistic thing. What if the lab's backtrack was the same every time? Or what if there was like four? so that there's like a few things you could do with the previous one i'm falling back to the same thing maybe they'd still hate it uh i don't know i i think like yeah i don't want us to trench in on what we're doing because what we're doing is so incredibly heavy and slow um and i'm

not talking short circuit only i'm talking practically everything tech link is still pretty lean fair yeah techlinked is lean and like some of the l tts are are reasonably reasonably lean like Looking back over the last little while, this video was a really cool one. Unfortunately, it didn't perform that great. The thumbnail's confusing. It's gone through a few iterations. This is the best one we've got so far.

I don't know what to do to replace it. I have no ideas. Yeah. It is what it is at this point. It's done what it's going to do. But anyway, the point is that this was a really cool video. This was not like a ridiculous amount of work. This was pretty close to what, like, our old productions might have been.

Sure. We went into a cool place. We interviewed a cool guy. We tried out a cool product, and we said, peace out, see you later. So we do, we do them sometimes. But I think we have a tendency to try to do it, to try to make a Michael Bay sequel every time. Like, one of the things that I've toyed with in my mind, don't worry, I'm not going to do it. But one of the things I've toyed around within my brain is,

What if we just deleted the entire channel? And then start it over. Well, yeah, look, you're shaking your head. I told you we're not going to do it. I'm pausing. I'm pausing. You can... I told you we're not going to do it. Because one of the things that, like, drives me nuts is we'll pitch a video and I'll be like, Samson's did it.

Samson's did, except Simpsons is us. Like, we're up to almost seven thousand videos. Yeah, you need to just stop doing that. Just make it again. It's not that easy. Just do it. No one cares. But that's all.

If you release the video like nine years ago, you can release a new version of it now and it's fine that's also not necessarily even true like we have had instances where we've done a similar video to what we've done in the past and it will have extremely low momentum with our with our core returning audience which will create a death spiral of not promoting it to new you how far back did you look how far back did i look So this, this, you're talking, maybe you don't remember or whatever, but I'm gonna, I'll have to dig up a specific example for you, but there have been times when we just. No, I believe you there's been times. I'm just wondering like, like years ago, like, like it would have been a video from years prior. Yeah, but how many years? I'd have to check. Just like there's, our backlog is so deep. You could redo a video from a decade ago. Oh, I know. Versus you could redo a video from three years ago. Just re-release it in HD and call it a remiss. Here's an example. Here's an example. Thank you, Dan. I had, I had missed Dan in this conversation. no you didn't here's a here's an example so PC build in a fridge doesn't work I did this 10 years ago do you think this video needs to be done again I don't know if it I'm not saying it needs to be done again could it be done again would it be done again I did it be done again I really liked weird builds back when I was in the day I still really liked the the fallout bomb PC, the two parts of that got 1.3 million views. The comments on it are super, super positive. I really

liked doing those types of things. I don't know if the current audience wants that. They don't perform the way they used to. I also sometimes wonder if that's almost like audience coaching. Like something that I think has been bad. Ooh, do I talk about this? Sure. I don't care. What's the worst that could happen. You could alienate the land show viewership. You could destroy our relationship. I think you only live once. Yeah, let's send it. Um, I think the and I, oh man, who I word this. I think the I am an LTT viewer. This is why has changed. Hmm. And I know there's the whole, um, you know, I mean, you guys are still doing some. things like the the $1,600 all MSRP PC thing. Okay, cool. I think liquid metal killed my laptop. Now what is a

pretty cool video? Sure. Um, I think, however, that like, you know, the M5 MacBook is on short circuit. Yeah. It's not on LTT. If I am a, I watch LTT because I'm a tech person. I like the entertainment and I like keeping up with, I like the entertainment. I like the entertainment. I like learning new things now and then. And I like keeping up with what's happening in the tech world. The keeping up with what's happening in the tech world isn't really there anymore. No, I think it's moved over to tech linked in a big way when it comes to like news and announcements. We didn't talk about and I think that the product side has moved over to short circuit in a big way. And I don't think I think those things can still happen. Yeah, I do too. But I think they can be different experiences.

So that's what's that's what kind of drives me crazy is like when we when we broke out the additional channels the idea always was that it would be it was supposed to cover the same stuff but in a different style in a different way that is like non-preventative in practice it hasn't really worked out that way for both logistical and also nonsensical reasons um like logistically we're not going to buy two apple vision pros so only one you know team is going to get to look at it at a time. Yeah. And if one team prepares both the short circuit and the LTT, it's going to end up feeling

same. You can kind of run into trouble. And I think a great example of that is the Xbox Ally X, where Plouf did a wonderful job of this short circuit that got just over 100,000 views, making it one of the lowest performing in that cohort of video uploads. that's rough whereas the LTT video

did well it didn't it didn't banged the announcement one did the announcement one hit and then by the time the review went up the momentum around the Xbox Ally X was a lot lower

the excitement was like way lower like I don't think that's going to happen with the steam machine were you guys on launch I think the yeah oh yeah I think the steam machine is going to maintain that excitement and maintain that conversation

and maintain that momentum. But what happened was because Plouf was actually the writer for the LTT, and because both he and I talked extensively about our experience using it. You start to watch the short circuit after you've watched the LTT, and you're like, I've already seen this story. And that's not because we're the same person or that we're like afraid to disagree with each other across our different channels or whatever. It's just because we're two kind of like-minded dudes who kind of work at the same place.

who kind of talked a lot about the devices and had an opportunity to, because he convinced me of some things that I, you know, didn't feel. And I convinced him of some things that he didn't feel. And so our opinions ended up pretty close. Here we go. Here we go. Okay. Yeah. With my

setup for short circuit, you unbox it basically when it comes through the door. Yep. If it's going to be labs tested, it's going to need to be labs tested for LTT short circuit, whatever. ever anyways so it can go to labs for that and then it can go to the LTT team so would you like to

hear what the flow was supposed to be yeah when we started the lab sure every I genuinely don't know so like yeah well because it hasn't been relevant because it was never really it was never really um we never got anywhere near realizing this vision so the vision was supposed to be that the procurement team would get one of everything like literally a 14100 K 14100F CPU I do know this part 14200 okay that's not a CPU

don't worry about it the point is they would get one of everything if it was they'd get it literally everything the reason that the lab is in the main inventory warehouse is because things were supposed to go straight from the procurement

door to the lab it was supposed to be tested before it even goes on a shelf. So we would test it. Lab would do some analysis. They would put up, so they would create a product page on the Lab's website, add it to our comparison database and, you know, do all of that stuff.

And then in that process, they would find diamonds in the rough or they would find marked underperformers and that would go into, like that would be flagged. I guess, you know, in Airtable, we didn't have Airtable yet, but currently, now, yeah. That would be flagged in Airtable, and it would automatically go over to Writers' Meeting, where we would once a week be going through, okay, here's products that could be, that are interesting from both a standout and an underperforming perspective for potential feature on short circuit or LTT.

As we scaled that up across more verticals, we were supposed to have additional channels that are completely dedicated to those individual product verticals. electricals, CPU, GPU, monitor, power supply, you know, whatever, PSU circuit is the first of, not because we thought it would get the most views or because we thought it was worth putting the most resources into, but because we thought it would be relatively simple to templatize the production of it, because they're all the same shape and size and stuff. Well, established vertical for us at the time, and Lucas had a good grip on it and all that stuff. So then from there, the idea wasn't that labs would go and have to do like a bunch of work. for that short circuit or for that LTT to be made. The idea behind it was that they had already done the work for the website, and for short circuit,

the host would simply pull up, you know, with Aerosnap. They'd have the manufacturer website on the one side. They'd have the labs article on the other side. They'd read through it, and they would do their, an informed unboxing. I guess, I don't think I've ever phrased it that way before. I've always kind of called it unboxing plus, but what it's supposed to be

is an informed unboxing and not just informed by the manufacturer, but informed by some independently validated data. And then it just kind of it kind of got confusing

at some point. That vision's also like... Optimistic. Yes. I know. I mean... Oh. yeah mate no no it's super wise

oh I know okay oh no no no I know I know I was like for like years from that now I mean but I never said do it tomorrow oh yeah for sure

you know like it was that but that was the ultimate I also think one of the kind of like flaws there if I can poke at it a little bit sure is the currently most interesting products for people, as far as I can tell,

are either, you know, mainline CPU, GPU. Cool. We have a launch every two years, so whatever. Outside of that, it's phones, laptops, handhelds. It's extremely flagging. Yeah, fair enough.

It's extremely complicated devices that include pretty much the entire testing suite and take a very long time to test. And I know you can say, I want a lot of things to be super automated. Great. there are parts of this that are not really going to get there. No, 100%. Display testing is going to be horrible forever.

And I can tell you right now, like that's a... In regards to time and stuff. That's a big part of the reason that I think we ultimately made the mistake. I mean, I don't think there's any way to sugarcoat it, right? I think that's a big part of why we ultimately made the mistake of branching out into so many verticals at once. Because we recognized exactly that, that the direction we were going was, these tightly integrated devices

and recognized that if we didn't have a CPU test suite and a GPU test suite and a display test suite and a battery life testing suite then we weren't going to be able to we weren't going to be able to test anything that people would care about we needed literally all of them and that sucks

yeah but it makes the lift of testing a lot of this stuff like you're talking it's enormous every single thing through the door when it when there's so many phones and laptops and things and there's so many of those that no one will ever care about no matter

what does not matter and yes there will be diamonds in the rough but you're digging through a lot of rough to find very small diamonds yeah I mean that was the that was the hope it came from I can tell you it came from a good place yeah and I think we're we've kind of

we've somewhat you know he's talking this was the original direction. We've somewhat shifted now. We still have some of that identity. And there's still some of that identity that we will be actualizing. And if we could do that in the longer term, I think there are verticals where it is realistic. With certain things, I do think it'll happen. We're not completely jumping off ship. I think we could have a database of every GPU. I don't, I don't think that's unreasonable. GPU is probably one of the ones that I think make more sense. CPU gets a little sketch when it comes to like bio settings and little weird other things that go on.

GPU, but like, I think we can also get there with CPU, to be clear. Yeah, I think so, too. It's just a little further out, I think. I think, is probably the first one that that vision could be realized with. Yeah. I think there's even other really cool things we could do with GPUs, like you've talked about. I think power supply could be done. I think that it will be very challenging to parallelize the testing because unless we

buy another power supply tester. I don't think it's ever going to be worth it personally. Yeah. We're effectively stuck at about one a week. So it'd be trip-put-capped. well part of that said it's all Lucas so we need someone else I thought he told me that just running all the routines takes like days and then if they fail we have to do them again on another one so it just like it takes about a week he told me sounds realistic I haven't dove into

that significantly because my bigger bottleneck has been just him as a person yeah because he's great so I need him doing other things as well so we need like a mini Lucas who can do Tor Dirk says just clone Lucas Next problem Where are we going to get enough biomass? Well yeah and then You've seen how tall this man is? He doesn't fit inside the machine

It doesn't work Dude we were we were getting on a plane recently And when we were standing on the Is it called like What is it called the little bridge Between the big bridge And the plane The little bridge that has like the netting on the side

Let's call it a little bridge with netting on the side The gangway the jet bridge Not the big jet bridge though just the little one that goes from the big jet bridge to the plane. We all know what you're talking about. Whatever.

Anyways. Yeah. The line of size bridge. He was standing on that and his head was over the top of the plane. Yeah. I'm going to pretend to be surprised

but this is someone for me to converse with I literally need to like expose my jugular. It's literal submission. Oh no. Anyways, that was pretty epic. Anyway, I don't think anything's off the table in terms of, you know, how we can, how we can optimize the, you know, optimize our workflows and, and try to deliver, you know, the content you guys want to watch, right?

One of the things is, you know, in the, in the wake of things, we did a lot of process adding. and I think we need to look at entire systems beginning to end and reevaluate how things flow through them with the idea of basically to a certain degree, and this is going to sound scary to people, but to a certain degree like starting over, with how things flow through the company. I'm not saying delete the channel. I'm not saying delete anything. No, I can do that. No.

I actually have that power. I would rather you just leave it and make LTT too, but that would also be. be incredibly stupid and you shouldn't do either of them um but why would you just is so dumb don't do that um but like yeah because there's there's so many process loops and like there there will be you know with the macbook video with the low power mode thing there was comments like it's okay they'll add another process and catch this next time and it's like cool man but also no if anything i think we have like too many processes and i think we're at the point where we have so many processes that the fact that we have so many processes is starting to introduce

errors however so like that one was a that one was a pretty unique example actually because it's a macbook so i don't daily drive macOS which we which we know but what was new about it very little of it was actually the macOS part the new thing about it was that it had a new processor which I have I'm perfectly comfortable talking about um and so that's and that so that's a video where without the pre-testing I would have had damn near nothing to say even like they didn't change the keyboard they didn't change the display they changed practically nothing on the machine other than what labs tested. I did. I did. So the only one I've done was the Apple Vision Pro. Yeah. And I found that personally that's a hyper experiential device though. Personally,

the one pager was not particularly useful. No, it wouldn't be. I basically never looked at. However, I can tell you, you wouldn't have survived shooting the MacBook M5 without the one page. No, I know what I'm saying is there is an ignorance gap here because I haven't done so it's Tough. Labs heavy one-pager or a device like you're describing where the difference is almost purely performance. No. It's non-cosmetic is a big part of the problem.

Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I can comment on, you know, transparent elements in the updated Mac OS. A little bit. Not much, though. Is it acceptable? Yeah. If that is just a bit of a weird video where the, the lab's performance portion of that video is a lot

longer. Every process. The unboxing one is shorter. That has like an exception path. No, I don't think it's an exception path. You don't think so. I think you, and let me explain because I understand why you would say that. That makes sense.

But let me kind of restart here for a second. So I don't think anything changes in the process. But if you just don't have a ton to say, you open the laptop, say what you do have to say, and then go, this is a mostly performance change. So good luck, Lab, and toss it off. And then we have a longer portion of. the video it doesn't actually change it's not a process change doesn't change the flow everything happens exactly the same um but it's just you know if the important part is the performance

there's more lab stuff basically the lab section scales by how important the performance section of it is all the way down to zero because there are some devices that just don't get it because there is no performance aspect um with some of the things on short circuit uh and It can scale op if there's more. Not to a hundred. But then, okay, hear me out. Why did we even bother to shoot with the host? Why doesn't labs just do the short circuit?

That's his ultimate plan. He's taking over. He wants to be the L in LMG. No, this is a coup. I finally figured it out. I'm on to you. You're about to cooom. Yep

LMG, it's mine LTT it's mine LTT store, it's mine LTTLabs.com, it's mine That's why you named himself Luke It's all my Yeah No, I think it can scale

And like, okay, that is an interesting point But Like here, let's have a look at the channel I don't want to make it where it's a process change But I do wonder like one this is one that should for sure not be lab hosted um well okay hold on hold on a second because i there's so much subjective when it comes to mice there is but i would make the argument that the subjectivity only matters once this product surpasses a certain threshold of objective

goodness so a mouse is a mouse can only be relevant at all if it's like not a complete because this is a gaming mouse. Remember, I'm specific, this is specifically a gaming mouse. So unless it's tracking is, you know, on par and latency is on par with the rest of the industry. And to be clear, this is a prox super light 2C. I'm sure it's fine. But if it isn't fine, which then we basically need to establish that first. There's a ton of startups in the, in the mice space. And then we can get into the, and then we can get into the subjectivity. Right. So, so sometimes, I guess the point I'm trying to make is sometimes, the order of operations is not necessarily

even the same. Like a monitor, I think there's a fair bit you can talk about. You can unbox it. You can talk about the size, the display technology. You can talk about if it has some cool aesthetic sort of, you know, RGB on the back. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

We have the all-transparent PC coming on LTT. Everything's clear. Old school acrylic case. Acrylic case power supply. Okay. It's been a while. Water cooling, of course, with acrylic hardline tubing. A full acrylic desk made of, like, inch and a half thick.

Man, sometimes you go, you guys go so far with things. We found a monitor. Did you need the desk? With an acrylic back. We borrowed the desk, so it wasn't actually that much worth. Monitor with an acrylic back. Was that one of those, like, prison ones? No.

Oh, okay. No, it's just an Asus gaming monitor. They did one with an acrylic back. It looks so cool. Anyway, sorry. That is sick. Yeah. So, yeah.

is there a cool aesthetic thing and then you can kind of hand over to labs but like it just so what you're saying is right now that it doesn't seem like it works with every verdict because I want to keep working on this because I we need to find more efficient ways to flow but even this one's kind of tough right because okay do I hand off to labs first before I game on it and give my impressions and then do we come back to me like gaming on it and I'm just like talking about how it like feels pretty good man or do i game on it for a bit and then i hand it off to labs for their objective analysis either way either order we could end up with conflicting information which i don't love it's not clean i don't yeah and that's nothing

against ploof i mean this man he owns a display he does own a display he does own a display And so... I think you might own more than one. You know what? We actually have... We have that video coming to. He might have been lying to us because he said A display.

Nick Plouffe... He's a man who owns displays. Officially owns two displays. Oh! He bought one for $70. Whoa. For Whaleand. Whoa.

And we did a full LTT on it. On his journey of discovering that he wants a monitor that's easier to move. Sure. And is better for lands. That might not want to... He might be sketched out

on moving his nice one. And that he found out could be obtained for as little as $70 U.S. dollars for a perfectly cromulent gaming monitor. Cromulant. Do you have one of those, uh, those rocket monitor carrying bags? No, but that sounds amazing. Oh, I've got one at my desk. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's not actually mine. It's technically Darris is, but I have one somewhere as well. Excellent. Um, uh, yeah. Like, I don't know what, I don't know what you can say about a pair of headphones. Uh, honestly, I didn't want to bring it up because I'm trying to, I get this idea moving, but I saw that thumbnail and was like, hmm. Yeah.

But here's a thing. Here's a, here's a, here's a thing. The headphones vertical, and I understand you're going to give pushback because you're like, that's right now, that's that person. That's an individual thing. That's not the whole, those are all fair comments. Yeah. But we could have just the same person do the whole thing.

I mean, that's, yeah, but there are complications with that right now. Mr. Well, let's talk about that offline. Sure. Yeah, okay. It might be even easier, though. Okay. But totally.

We can talk about later, and I understand. But, like, there's certain stuff that Labs doesn't even need to touch. I don't need Labs to tell me about this phone controller. I'm just going to use it. What? We could talk about input latency. We could talk about... Yeah, but I don't care, because if I'm seriously gaming, I'm not using a phone because I'm not a Gen Alpha.

Yeah, but that might be a problem with your ability to relate to the young children with their sixes and their sevens. You're honestly not even, you're not even wrong. Yeah. You're not even wrong. Because that actually, I mean, that got more views than I expected. Yeah, I know, right? It's kind of funky. I'm that good.

Sure. Where's my thing? Yeah, let's go. But there's just, there's a bunch of stuff. And like, okay, so I do, I do want to figure something out. I honestly like that there was holes poked in the idea, but it, uh, but it doesn't necessarily seem like it's completely gone at least. There's, you know what else is not completely gone?

All the topics are supposed to get through on the land show here. But yeah, I think we got to get back to six on LTT. I think one of those ways is bringing back reviews. Seven, maybe, yeah, maybe seven. It's officially not cool anymore. Yeah, you're welcome. Get rid. I think it's been not cool for like a while.

Yeah. Now there's a time to start using it then. But now, but now I've done it. So it's officially not cool. Nice. It wasn't official before. Are your kids saying that now?

No. No, they don't care. No. Nice. They're not really allowed like social media apps. Nice, good. Yeah. Awesome.

They don't really like. Great parenting. See this crap. I am being serious just to be clear. Yeah. They'll pick it up occasionally at school and stuff. Yeah, sure. Because there'll be other kids that are just scrolling brain rot.

Yeah. That sucks. All right. Float plane announcement is what the thing above Dan's monitor says. Oh, fun. We know that you're hungry for the Linus Torvald's collab video to come out. It's going to take some time to cook. But what we can provide is some teasers from the day, as well as,

some footage snippets. This is one example that we have over on float plane. LMG staff hangs out with Linus Torvalds after the shoot. If you want to get some idea of how cool other Linus is,

literally, no one dared. No one dared to press this button. It's really unnecessary to go to it right now, by the way. You really don't have to do that. They generally don't. The float plane audience is actually not like fuckups. So it's pretty cool um yeah yeah yeah based thank you for that anyway people are freaking loving it

so just again i i've talked about this already but he was so generous with his time i he just hung around and chatted with our staff for basically as long as they wanted to chat with him and it was it was flipping awesome it was such a cool experience for people here like honestly it was one of those things that makes me like proud as an employer to even run a place that was cool enough to have a guest that was a big deal enough that people and our staff get this like one-on-one experience with them because he was willing to come to our building you know it's like how insane is that and i don't he doesn't see it that way i don't think no probably not at all but i do yeah it was amazing anyway so that's um that's one of the float plane exclusives that we have

uh we also have apparently the first 10 minutes of the Linus Torvald's collab worked hard to get the first 10 minutes of our highly anticipated collab video. I don't know if I want to play this. Oh, whoa. There he is signing my copy of his autobiography though, so that's pretty cool.

Oh, so did we actually edit it? Oh, interesting. You know what? No audio. No audio. You're going to have to subscribe to float plane. That is intriguing. Wow. Oh, the awkward energy is palpable.

Anyway, not only that, but we have both weekend videos uploaded to float plane, thanks to Ploof, who owns a display. Nice. And our editors, Peter and Tyson. It says, open da link and make it live on da stream. How is Elijah as brain rot as he is and as high functioning as he is? Isn't this Sammy? Did I say Elijah? Sorry, I meant Sammy.

Yeah. Yeah. No, not Elijah. Elijah's, uh... No, I know. Yeah, we understand why Elijah's the way he is. With Sammy, it's confusing. Yeah.

Yeah, so, okay, here it is. Oh, yeah, here it is. Uh, Ploof's second display that he owns. That's actually awesome. I'm going to add that Loof owns a second display Yeah Now he can't say that he owns a display

It's just say that he owns displays Truly a great day for Canada And therefore the world Okay And it's live Cool So that's up And so yeah

We're trying to do a little bit more early access Which is kind of neat We're also Oh this is going up Oh Oh, we're doing another deep fake and generated video video, which you know about because Nick from the lab has been deeply, pun intended, involved in the creation of this.

Yeah. Apparently that's also going up right now. Boom. And boom. Nice. Nice. Some of that is wild. It's pretty cool.

If you like know me well, you know, you would look at it and you'd go... Dude, there's parts of it that are close. But also that. But yeah, you can tell. But you can tell, like you said, if you know people... Like, man, people will send me clips of like, oh my God, someone dubbed Linus's audio. It sounds just like him. It'll sound like a Boston accent to me.

And I'm like, what are you talking about? This doesn't sound like Linus at all. But I don't know. Oh, cool. I am logged into Twitter right now. uh someone sent me someone sent me this uh oh because i probably logged in for the show at some point no no i'm gonna bring it up um right nanobanana pro i haven't actually played around with this particular image editor but someone just sent me a um a shot of me building a computer

with anne hathaway nice that is surprisingly convincing like this was one that in this at this size when I first looked at it like initial glance I went I don't remember collabing with this person I didn't actually recognize them as Ann Hathaway yet but I was just like that's weird I don't remember I don't remember that set and I don't wait oh yeah we've never made that shirt oh this is AI but it took me it took me more than half a second when I glanced over yeah I moved away from like sorry when I glanced over I first thought like really he's gonna out like someone's tweet of a video collab that's a weird way to do that and then when I saw it

were there I was like oh yeah it's just not real you can kind of tell in your face it's it's pretty good yeah you can kind of tell my teeth aren't right but it's like it's nailed the earrings it's nailed the old hairstyle it's the old it's my younger Linus hairstyle yeah on my older linus face yeah so there's little things like that um but the hands are pretty good it even has my wedding band yeah which is pretty wild You would never wear a anti-static strap. I have. Fake news.

I have, at times. The continuity of things is somewhat kind of believable in some cases. Like, that looks like a real tool. What is that? Not one for building PCs, but a tool of some sort. What is that blue thing on the mat? I think that's a measuring tape. Okay.

Yeah, it doesn't know what tools people use for building PCs. It doesn't know what exactly PC, like desktop PC cables look. like, but this could look like an electronics cable of some sort. This too, somewhat believable. It screwed up where GPUs go, because they go more up here, and less right against the

bottom grill of a PC. The case looks pretty good, though. The case looks pretty believable. I can see the bottom of the case looking like that. All the logos are pretty good. Pretty good. For the most part. You know, this looks

a little funky it's trying to do shiny and it doesn't really know it doesn't really know how to handle the lighting it to me honestly when you zoomed in there it felt like they were trying to do like a wafer texture oh okay yeah sure yeah the hands the hands though they're not bad this pinkie looks a little off but it also just looks like she could like kind of have it up here like that yeah this is a little weird no it's just squished against the fan but not not that weird um man Anyway, so the video is about Following up the one we did five years ago Where we deep faked me on short circuit

And then made the LTT about how we did it The main focus this time is Hey, that thing we did before You can totally still do that By the way, it's way easier Like way easier And it's not necessarily

necessarily easy to do like what we did where I did we end up using the clips where I juggle computers I can't remember oh yeah those things might be a little bit more difficult I've heard the argument of like doing this first frame last frame thing isn't going to be viable I I think that is so completely wrong what do you mean by viable I've I've heard an argument okay so this idea is you get the first frame and the last frame and then you can kind of gen the things between it yeah my argument is that that I think the way a lot of this is going to be used is to change things that exist, which is exactly how that would work. Oh, so when you say, oh, so people are saying it won't be viable to get a first frame

and a last frame to make someone do something that they wouldn't do. No, I, I, I, I, I, I, especially because most of what it's being used for right now by scammers is to make people say something that they didn't say. Yeah. And if all you need is a frame of them sitting in a place with their mouth closed, You could even use the same frame for your first and last frame. So we did end up going full challenge. So we don't have to have the audio playing.

But basically the first line is, my mom always told me that building a computer is not enough. You have to learn to juggle computers. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's why I take Linus pills. And like I can tell here for sure, but that's great. Like your, yeah, the mouth was a little weird there.

you morph here in my opinion it gets you confused and like you turn it to david right there right there right at the end when you're walking through the door you're like physiology changes yeah but this is crazy dude that's crazy man um that's actually nuts again i can tell but like oh not by a ton and if i wasn't really paying attention if it was side monitor content whatever I might not really have noticed That's what we're kind of hoping to get people with when this goes live on YouTube is if they're not like really paying attention

It's like, wait, what? Yeah. And with the idea being that we're kind of highlighting how you know, how good it's gotten and also just again, how easy it's gotten. The last...

Stay the past of this isn't very well done either that can be made perfectly. I haven't seen one. ever so I don't necessarily agree uh perfectly yeah I don't I don't agree with that yeah I don't I've never seen one done perfectly I'd love to see it stay the path if you want to go ahead and throw that in the chat we'd love to check out yeah you don't know when you don't know what what do you but like you need to give it you you have to give an example and remember it's a lot simpler to do something where somebody's just sitting that might look so convincing that you would say oh yeah that generated video looks looks perfect um but something where

people move and interact with other objects and stuff well it's the it's the um you can't prove me wrong argument yeah that's not how that works the burden of proof is on the person making the claim yeah that's like a that's a fundamental law of arguments yeah uh okay also in other news uh we have What is with all these float-plane exclusives, he has me announcing? James's theater room is better than Linus's. Linus never invited me to his theater room. That is so not true. They never did.

That is 100% not true. The theater room was part of, like, lands and, uh, and, uh, pool parties at my house. Sammy wasn't invited. Sammy was a hundred percent invited. Sammy's never been invited. There was a, on the, there's a footnote on the invite that specifically said, if your name is Sammy, you, you're not invited. It was pretty explicit. Specifically not true.

It was pretty explicit. Yeah. Anyway, the... It's in the handbook, actually. It's in the handbook. Page four, subsection six. See, Dan knows it off dome because he has to keep Sammy away from things all the time. Yeah, it's actually part of my responsibilities.

It is. Yep. You guys are ridiculous. In other float-plane news... Just like Sammy, if you let him in a theater room. It gets ugly. In other float-plane news, we are... are going to be having a price increase on a float plane,

but the dock that I am supposed to... I can figure this out. I can share it for if you want. I do not have access to. So I would love to walk you guys through how it's going to work, but I cannot. So in the meantime, why don't I run through our sponsors? And we'll get to that in a moment.

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Yes. Nice. Nice. All right. We've talked about it. We've teased it. We're finally doing it. The price of a monthly floatplane subscription is going up. but before you freak out yeah no

not for you float plane subscribers both OGs and current full rate subscribers will be not affected by the price increase as long as they do not cancel and resubscribe so how's this going to work

if you are a new or returning subscriber the new prices will be 799 US dollars for the supporter tier and $1299 US dollars for the supporter plus tier effective December 31st. That's right.

If you are a subscriber before December 31st, you can lock in at our legacy rates of $5 and $10 for the two tiers respectively. So you can go to LMG.g slash floatplane right now to sign up.

One quick sec, Katowis already pointing this out. We only talk about monthly prices. here there will be yearly ones as well yeah but yes you are still grandfathered if you're on the yearly plan it'll it'll be okay yeah yeah it's not you don't have to switch to a monthly plan no no no no and our our yearly rates are just derived from our monthly rates yeah so it'll be fine well i think it's uh i don't want to say anything you guys technically set the prices on full plane it's up to the creator to set the prices but i think what you guys did was uh 10 months

effectively. Yeah, so like a $10 tier right now is $100 for the year because it's factored at 10 months. So it's not times 12, it's times 10. I don't know for sure that it'll be that way because I don't know either. I don't know what the annual rate is, but probably. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Why?

Well, there are three reasons. One was we took so long to do this because we had to wait until we had a clear roadmap for what float plane would look like in 2026 and beyond. You've seen some hints of it, like early access for big series like scrapyard wars and Secret Shopper. You've seen Black Friday, Cyber Monday, early access to deals. You've seen exciting float-plane exclusives like the Jimmy Fallon vlog, the Y as WANLATE series, not to mention our themed weeks like Luke Week 2, which is coming in December.

And now we're ready to bring more features, such as early access for some LTT videos, as well as badges. We do have more features in development, but we'll publicly announce them when they are closer to completion. Reason number the second for Y now. We wanted to time the announcement so that folks could join at the old pricing during the best time to get deals on stuff, Black Friday Cyber Monday. This gives new subscribers early access to LTT store deals on November 27th. Oh, did I just announce when our Black Friday deals are going live?

I guess. I guess I did. I didn't raise. Alongside the four amazing Linus Torvald's exclusives that we have up right now on float plane, including the first 10 minutes of the main video. If you've been on the fence for a while, we wanted to give you one more opportunity to get in at the best possible. time and price. Reason number three for why we're doing this. Creating videos and running a hosting platform,

they don't have the same costs yesteryear and this year. And neither do some of the major investments that we're making into content in the coming year. Like the tech house and one other quite large one that we have not announced yet. Some other time. Some other time.

Not today. But as we're sticking to, I'm going to insert here, go slightly off script. Sorry, Sammy, don't forget what I got this. We're all good. Nice. I love off-script land show. Yeah. Brace yourself, Dan.

Yeah, no, it'll be fine. We committed a long time ago to not increase the prices on people that were sticking around. And that includes the OG tier, which is not getting affected by this at all in any way. So hold on. I don't know that for sure. We have allowed OGs to unsubscribe and resubscribe. at the OG rate in the past? We have.

I don't know if that is the case anymore, so I'm going to have to get you guys an answer on that. They can be separate. It can be separate. So it depends on the basis logic. But I don't know if we are, I don't know if we're committed. Have we committed to that?

Oh. I actually don't know. I don't technically know, but we should not change it if we committed to it. So yeah, we need to figure out if we've committed to it, but I didn't see it messaged clearly in here,

so I was leaving it intentionally ambiguous for now while I go back and find out. Yeah, we shouldn't change how we treat OGs. Why no annual plan for the OGs? There are complications there. And it's already discounted. So it's already cheaper than the annual plan. Well, okay, but that's not entirely,

there are reasons why it might be better for it. Like, as people have pointed out for the OG tier, you could do a 12-month yearly plan so that they don't get the discount for the yearly. But it's still better for certain people in certain areas, because getting dinged for currency conversions and certain other things might be really beneficial. It's also technically beneficial for us. Oh, I know it's beneficial for us.

Because we wouldn't get a significant amount of payment processor charges. But I thought there was a technical reason why it was really challenging. There is. That might be no longer a thing. Oh, okay. Fairly soon. I don't know. We're planning on looking at payments again soon here.

This is great. Ed Zeem says every OG is now going back through hours of wenches for proof. yeah so if we if we committed to that in the past we're not we're not messing with oh jeez we're not we're not going to yeah we're not going to change how we and we're not messing with anyone who is already subscribed you will not get a price increase and to be clear on a technical level um because of technical errors that might result in cancellations and stuff like if you run into a problem is contact support yeah anyway carrying on we've kept our prices steady for a really long time uh I think the last time

we increased them was shoot i think that was in an earlier version of the draft for this i want i don't remember so i'm not going to i'm not going to say anything i no i think i think i think it was 2018 was that the last time we increased pricing i don't remember don't worry about it anyway we've kept our pricing study for a long time while our costs have risen but at some point we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't try to catch up and looking at other paid subscription platforms like patreon we don't feel that the new rates are out of line with all that said, all of that said, we know that times are tough for many people out there right now and we are always consistent in telling people, choose yourself over our extra content.

Okay, priorities, food on the table, roof over the head, cool LMG extras and merge in that order. We also plan on uploading this segment to our Clips channel, LMG Clips. Was the plan for this to be a video? Well, anyway. Thank you. Oh, right. I guess I just did it. Thank you to everyone for supporting floatplane and the rest of the LMG team.

If you guys want to subscribe, it's a great time. LMG.g. slash floatplane. Dark 24 said yes, you said OG could unsubscribe and re-sub at OG tier. We'll figure that out. I'm pretty sure we did. I think we might have put a fixed grace period on it. Like it might be like three months or something.

But either way, we're not going to take anything back from the OG tier. It's not how we roll. it's not going to happen that's not that trust me bro guarantee uh and we have we have been dealing with it that way so i think it makes sense to keep it going that way i don't know if it's like literally forever but it might be um this one might not operate that way um i don't think this one this one explicitly does not yeah okay if you are subscribed at a five dollar tier right now the OG tier is a special thing you are locking that in and you don't you don't resubscribe at that tier it is new if you are a new subscriber after December 31st or a returning subscriber it will be at the new rate that I know for sure there's some people asking what the OG tier is or how you even get it and whatever so the way you got it was by subscribing to float plane on the LTT forum and then transferring over this part was actually important because you had to transfer over to the floatplane site before a certain date the window was pretty big and because float plane was technically a separate legal entity and run

through a different payment processor we couldn't migrate it automatically so in order to reduce the amount of attrition from asking people to like re-input their payment methods and sign up on a new website and just purely thanking people for dealing with it when it was

in the state it was on the forum yeah we made it very affordable yeah yeah we get OG badges The badges stuff is a feature that the float plane team is making. It will appear in a variety of ways throughout the platform, chat and comments. And how it gets managed is a little bit currently still up in the air.

It's a feature that's coming. You're not going to be able to display an infinite amount of badges. So we're going to have to decide how many you can show at a time. There might be a difference between that number for live or comments or something. You're not necessarily sure. You might get badges for a variety of different things. We'll probably go with the classic, like, has been subscribed for X number of months, scaling badge that, like, changes based on how many months that is.

There will probably be an OG badge. It would make sense if you got different badges for being around at certain times, potentially, or whatever. There's lots of examples of how this is handled all throughout the internet. So we will learn from those. But yeah, badges are, badges are coming. Ninja Man Away has a really good question. Will we still be able to temporarily change plans?

For one of the events you ran, you had to go to a higher tier for the behind the scenes and event footage. Is that still an option? I don't want to give you an answer for that right now. We need to figure that out because I'm not sure. Like at your locked in rate kind of thing. Yeah, the way, yeah, I don't think we should give an answer on that today.

I should check with Coltman Sammy and see how they want. idea of how that would work, but I will refrain until we figure it out. Yeah, that's a great, that's a really great question, though. It's a great question. Yeah. Rip vessel by East 1. Rip vessel indeed. Still wear my vessel shirt every once in a while.

Oh, wait, no, I'm thinking of my GBO shirt. I used to have my vessel shirt in my, uh, in my PJ. My vessel shirt is lost. It makes me very sad, but I still have my vessel toke. Dude, I, I, okay. That's why I had vessel in the mind. I wore my vessel took a week ago. Nice.

Yeah, we went to see this, like, Christmas lights display at Bear Creek Park, and I was wearing my vessel, too. I was like, yo, this is so cool and nobody knows. All right, something that's not as cool. We have an update on Rebels' attempted collaboration with core devices, aka Pebble. So there's some smartwatch drama. Pebble, the once discontinued, well,

first acquired by Google or acquired by Fitbit which was then acquired by Google I think is how it went feel free to correct me

if I'm wrong in the comments but ultimately discontinued the once discontinued fan favorite smartwatch seemed to be thriving after its revival until a rift opened between core devices

the new hardware company that's led by Pebble founder Eric Mujikovsky and Rebel the volunteer nonprofit that has kept Pebble's cloud services, App Store, and developer ecosystem alive since 2018.

Just weeks ago, the two groups publicly announced a partnership. Core would build a modern App Store portal, or a modern app store front end for its new watches. Rebel would continue running the backend services and developer portal, and together they would support the entire ecosystem old and new. But that agreement quickly fell apart over who should control the roughly 13,000 legacy apps and watch faces that were originally uploaded to Pebble's store before the company shut down.

Rebel says that Core demanded unrestricted rights to the entire dataset, potentially allowing Core to build a closed Core-only app store and leave the nonprofit that maintained the platform behind. And they also claim that after delaying a scheduled meeting, Eric scraped their servers in violation of a previous agreement about data access. Core, meanwhile, disputes this claim. They argue that the apps were created by individual developers,

not by Rebel, and that they shouldn't be locked behind any one organization after Pebbles collapse. Eric says the goal is a neutral public archive, ideally on something like Archive.org, so that the ecosystem can't be held hostage by a single gatekeeper. after the scraping accusation Eric claims that he built a web app to allow him an easier time browsing watch faces only showing screenshots

and allowing him to click on them. Apparently, it did not download any data. I don't think, you know, I don't have personal relationships with any of the people involved in this. I had one quick call with Eric when he said that they were bringing it back and I,

was I in contact with anyone from Rebel? I don't know, but I thought the project was super cool. So other than that, other than thinking it's super cool, I don't really have a major horse in this race between the two of them, but the race that I do have a horse in is that

overall, I think Pebble and the mission is super cool. I think the rebel group is super cool, the way that they maintained this and made these devices usable for folks when official support was dropped by Google. I think that's all super cool.

I would like to ask, plead even, in the nicest way that I possibly can for y'all to please find a way to get along because I think y'all are really great. And hopefully this is a misunderstanding. I actually have my new pebble right here that I have just been kind of dragging my butt on getting installed and getting on my wrist, but I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it this weekend. And I want to feel good about it. I want to feel good about supporting these devices. It's going to be sick, and please all be chill and get along. Is Dan the one leaving a comment asking about those questions people had? Dan, is that what you're doing? Pardon? On the float plane pricing, you highlighted the float plane price increase announcement.

Oh, I was just striking it through. because we finished it. Oh, neat. Okay. Well, I'm going to leave a comment. Yeah, cool. I can do the next topic if you want to do that. Let me find one.

Microsoft will appeal a ruling against them in the UK. Microsoft will appeal to the UK competition appeal tribunal for a ruling against Microsoft, which states that consumers are allowed to resell licenses, such as Windows or office licenses. This ruling came into effect in 2021. when a UK-based business named Value Licensing sued Microsoft over the ability to redistribute licensed products from them. The case is far from over

as Microsoft continues to battle this decision, but if Microsoft loses, it will have to pay 270 million pounds. Wow, okay, yeah, we did the same thing. In damages to value licensing. Yeah, crazy. Discussion question for a company

that seems to be okay with how much people, pirate slash get Windows licenses are free anyways except for apparently now they just close the loophole recent news yeah yeah um that's like maybe the next topic actually yeah it could be uh why is Microsoft putting so much effort into this maybe because they're pulling back on yeah it seems like they're getting less chill about people just running the software and and activating it with a tool that they quickly grabbed on gethub or realistically not even a tool it's just it's a command you run so speaking of which this is well no I want to I want to talk about this the reason that I that I highlighted this was this could be a game changer no this the thing you just said oh yeah yeah okay yeah like this could be this could be this could be wild maybe I'm misunderstanding here but is this basically a the the UK competition

Appeal Tribunal is this basically them saying that as a consumer I should be able to resell software that I only licensed

because that changes everything would that apply to Steam games why not that could be huge and very excited

and very excite console, console games. It's interesting. It's very interesting. Like, we should be able to. Exactly N.M. White in float, plain chat. I believe that if I bought a copy of Doom Eternal, and I'm done with it, I should be able to sell it. And it's about time, whoop, it's about time that some legal... It was really lucky.

Yeah, it's empty. It's about time that some legal entity agreed with that. And the way that software companies have always hid from this is that it's a license. You didn't purchase it. You licensed it. Well, so what? Now they're going to license it.

I'm done licensing it now. Am I missing something here? Or is this potentially a crack-and- the armor that could be crowbarred into and wedged open here yeah yeah Pancratz in chat

David Pancratz brings up that physical copies of games were also licenses weren't they I think it was a license to the software that was on the physical copy yeah yeah and yet those could be sold

yeah man the ramifications of this on the gaming industry will be if this happens the ramifications of this mostly on the gaming industry will be really interesting um and potentially like extremely destructive but we'll see we'll see how that goes i do wonder how much this would turn into oh man people might not want to hear this I think this would turn into a lot of perverse incentives for developers. Subscriptions. Do subscriptions, live service things, paid time to access.

Like maybe you can play part of a game, but the really good part is only accessible if you pay for a certain period of time. It'll effectively like put in a token, like an old arcade machine. Like there is... Because honestly, if you, like this would also create a weird incentive for gamers because you talk about Doom Maternal, right? So what if you book two days off of work, you buy Doom Maternal, you beat the whole thing immediately and put it up on the market for $5 less than the full price?

There is no degradation in quality in your version of the license. Yeah. Because like if you're buying a used game. Here's a crazy idea. What if you commercialized the idea? What if you got a small storefront and you put, like, little boxes on all of the shelves, right? And in each of them, you had some kind of physical representation of the game. No, hear me out. This is a crazy business model. You could even say

it's a blockbuster business model. Okay? People come through the door, they can browse, they can browse all the available games. They bring them up to the counter. You temporarily sell them the game license, you know, so you take like, you take like, uh, uh, uh, there is extremely massive differences between. Damn it. What is the word I'm looking? I'm what is the word I'm looking for here? Take a collateral. You take the full cost of the game for collateral, and then when they're done with them,

when they're done with it, you give them back everything, but I don't know, like a reasonable, like maybe like $5 or something like that, and you buy it back from them. Yeah. What would prevent that if we could transfer licenses? We could go back to video game rentals. Except it's all digital.

Yeah, but you could still do it. I'm not saying you couldn't do it. I'm saying I'm talking about the destruction of the damage, not destruction, the damage or change, significant change on the video game industry and how people interact with them. Well, no, I'm just showing you how that would, like,

it would escalate. It would go back to the old days. You could literally rent a game. You could literally rent a game. Yeah. And all it would take is... I can even think how this would function digitally. You could absolutely rent a game. And how trendy would that video game rental store be? How many TikToks would there be? If they did it up,

nice and they had like physical you don't even have to do a physical version no no no but it doesn't matter physical version would fail to the digital version immediately it's not about fail or not fail it's about how trendy and cool would it be i think it'd be trendy and cool for like two weeks dude you're talking to a world that has re-embraced vinyl records stop yeah and willow video does exist as i think it was pink rats pointed out but there's only one i think yeah but And I love it and I showed it out all the time and I, yeah, hopefully they keep doing well. I think that someone who makes it like crazy, trendy and cool to go there and has like, like, you know, a gotcha, like claw machine thing with a bunch of cool video with a bunch of stupid like amoeboes in it and stuff and like makes it a whole experience, dude, I think it would absolutely slap in the right market. Like I think somewhere like, man, I'm trying to figure out.

Every time I've been to Willow lately, there's a lot of people in there. I'm trying to figure out where. Because like in Japan, the whole like digital licensing thing is just not as cool. Like I don't think you could make it trendy there. I'm trying to think like where this like kind of physical representation of the digital licenses that we have in stock could like kind of work. And maybe it's dumb. Maybe it wouldn't work. But I just, I could see it.

I could see people making TikToks about it. If you could rent computer games. I'm at the video game rental store. If you could rent computer games, I feel like people around. here would do it. I think so. I think so. So, uh,

DeNoli says with current Steam refund policy, you can rent any Steam game for two hours for free. That's true, but that's totally different because what you would do when you rented a game back when we were the young ins is you'd rent it for a period of time that you decide on.

So you would rent it for one day and that was cheaper or you'd rent it a two-day rental was more expensive. and then a one week rental was like you're kind of dumb you should probably just buy it um so what you would do is after school on friday you would go rent it and then as long as you had it back in the drop-off box by sunday night then you had as long as you didn't feel like sleeping on friday or saturday night you had like you know 48 whole hours to play the whole game and experience everything um what a what a time to be alive It was fun. But yeah, I think, honestly, I support the freedom behind the idea wholeheartedly. I just don't know if I'm reading too much into this. I think it would be, I think the ultimate result on how the gaming industry operates would probably be a negative for most people.

I don't necessarily think. Are we headed that way anyway? Yeah, that's a good argument. It's a good argument. but like look at clear obscure it's doing super well right now it's not for like a ton of awards it's a single player game i haven't played it myself but as far as my understanding it's a single player game um i don't know how long it takes to play but there's a huge incentive to just blast through it before the normies with jobs are able to buy it for the weekend and play

and then resell your key and that is a significant portion of sales kept away and I understand this is the thing you can do with physical games the scale of it was nowhere near the same because you could just have another digital storefront or maybe a place like Steam just builds it into the platform the same way that they do

with Steam trading cards and everything else and then they take another little skim off the top just like a reselling store I'll have to pee if you fill that though so it's a double-edged sword just like a a game stop or whatever would they're going to take some off

the top and then it's going to resell but that resell is not going to ping back to the developer of the game it's just going to ping back to valve which already makes 10 qubillion dollars per employee unless valve went good guy and did share it with the developer which they could they do yeah they do have that power they've done good guy stuff before maybe they'll share a little percentage but it's not a full fat sale like it would be otherwise what if they took 30% then would you be okay with it? What if they just took their 30% for being a being an enabler?

It's still a reduction in sale for the developer. Oh yeah, probably. I mean, here's a thing though. I mean, let's come back to talking about sock warranties again because everyone was enjoying this so much. A big part of why that works.

Like, do you think that darn tough could survive if literally everyone wore their socks for 10 years and then got a warranty refund? I can give you the answer. The answer's no. Like, it's not, Yeah, but it's not viable. Yeah, but game sales do, like, let's start really high.

It just released and go, boom. This is, this, well, sort of a cyberpunk. So, okay, I don't want to be that guy who's like exceptions. You're kind of being that guy. Okay. I realized it. I realized it. Okay.

And I don't want to be that guy. Okay. But I do. Because you're not wrong. But I do think that a single player experience, I do think it's a reasonably close analog to something. okay no they've added a lot of content okay okay okay that's fair that's fair and they did that's fair how many times do i have to say how many times do i have to say i'm being that guy

for basically years how many times do i have to say i'm being that guy okay i i own it i don't know i'd really like to hear from someone who's like actually in the industry what they think about this because i'm i'm very much taking an outside view we're taking a consumer view right well i'm trying to not is basically what I'm doing. I'm trying to like as a consumer yeah dude I bought it screw off I should be able to resell it totally then I'm trying to step back for a second and be like what does this do incentive wise and that's a dangerous thing to do because if you do that every time you just live in a horrible corporate omega corporate world where everything is bent over for companies you know so I'm not trying to do that I'm trying to be careful but I'm wondering like if this

happens. What does that, what, what do we see in the gaming industry 10 years from now if this happens? What types of games are developed? What are the incentives for the developers to make them? And you know what? Maybe someone like the BG3 devs are just chatted out of their minds and don't care at all. But I do think this would change things. Like you said, are those things already happening anyways? Is it even relevant? I don't know. I'm not sure. I do also wonder would this disproportionately hurt small devs? Oh, I think that's very possible. And I think that it probably would.

I'm trying to find something right now. Mechanic. I'm searching on the subreddit. Why is it? No, not all time. The past week. Here we go. Here we go.

So the point I was trying to make with the socks is that, let's bring it back to the socks again. The point that I was trying to make with it is that most people won't do that. even if they do have the warranty most people won't bother and this is a oh my whole problem with it is that it's too easy that's my whole point with the brick and mortars

if I can just go on Steam and if I go on Steam and right click on the game and click sell at market rate and it's just done it's way too easy this is my whole point with the reason the fact that it's digital and it's online is the gap so if it was the physical store that you had

to come into would you be more supportive of of it. Yeah. So you just think it needs like a, it needs friction. Yes. Okay, I think that's fair. And I don't, I don't know how you solve for that. Because yeah, everyone has kind of a different perspective on, you know, this was a really interesting post. Feeling like they've gotten their money's worth. So this guy posted that it's broken, but he's not mad. He's actually stoked, which is like kind of wild to think about. Yeah. But if you scroll down to, to one of his replies to someone. Where's the O.P. tag?

Ah, yeah, here we go. Well, yeah, like, I'm not mad. In my 10 years as a mechanic, I've used all brands of ratcheting screwdrivers, including a $200 competitor. None of them last more than six to 10 months. Three years and still semi-usible is absolutely impressive. And so this is the kind of person that, you know,

I would hope that these game developers would have backing their product. I would hope, right? Someone that played the game, enjoyed the crap out of it and went, you know what? I could trade this in, but I'm going to keep it, and I'm going to just leave them with all of my money

because it was not, it was not this guy's intention to contact support at all. Like it wasn't, it wasn't one of those posts where someone's like, my thing broke, what do you guys think? Should I contact support?

And then people are like, yes, obviously. What are you even posting about it here. Like this thread did not have that tone. When I first saw the picture, I thought it was just another one of those. And then I reread the title like three times and was like, huh. And then clicked on the thread and thought it was really cool. Yeah. Nobody's not, he's not mad at all. Yeah. We just have a lot of those threads. Yeah. I mean, not that many for how many screwdrivers we've sold. No, for sure. I mean for literally any product or any situation ever.

yep um but yeah so i would just i would like to think that even if they had a policy that enabled people to resell or even if costco had a return policy that allowed you to warranty anything i would hope that people would also just like kind of have the good faith common sense to not bring back a 20 year old poster this is a whole thing people absolutely do that people and then you have to bake it into your margins and then everybody pays for it yeah i know this is why you like what you call high trust societies yes fantastic yeah the best yeah so based we have we talked about that on wandshow at all i don't know just like the experience of of going to a family mart in you know Taipei or in Japan and walking through the door and seeing someone's MacBook sitting on the little

like round coffee table that's at the that's near the entrance while the owner of said MacBook is off grabbing a snack so that they can go pay for it and then sit and use their laptop and enjoy their snack or their drink and marveling that that would never happen at home yeah that MacBook would be gone and uh it's so cool yeah i i i wish that i lived somewhere like that sometimes and i don't think we you know we are far from the furthest from that oh yeah a hundred percent i like i just leave my badminton bag on a bench and i'll walk like six courts away even the fact that in most situations if there's someone sitting there you can ask them, hey, do you mind watching my stuff?

And that is actually fine. Yeah. It's like pretty great to be completely honest compared to like a lot of places. So like it's, we're doing all right. But it's, it's Taiwan, Japan. There's certain places that are another level. And it's

it feels really cool to be there and partake in that. And there's different ways of achieving that? Like, um, I remember, I remember, I remember accidentally leaving my wallet. It was either my wallet or my phone. It was something very valuable and important

and I was very distressed to not have it and I left it in a cab in Singapore. And Yvonne's family member who lives there basically with 100% confidence said, you will get it back. And I was like, there's no way. The cabby's just going to say they don't have it. They're going to, like, they'll just like take the money out first

and then return it to me. And he was like, no. you will get it back and I was like you gotta be kidding me very very recently prior I had lost like a hundreds of dollars coat

you and I both have like a similar coat story where we once treated ourselves to a nice overcoat and then immediately lost it I left it in a cab in in Vegas and but he was just like yeah I wasn't there

wasn't there and like sure yeah okay um I had it back within like 90 minutes because they went back to the dispatch, found it, and were basically, like, waiting for my call to tell me that they had it.

And when I visited Singapore, I've been there twice now. Well, if I've been there twice, the second time we didn't, we, man, I was over, yeah, I was over in Southeast Asia recently. Did we go to Singapore? No, we saw Yvonne's Singapore family, which is why I was confused. We saw her family that lives there, but we didn't go there.

So, yeah, when I went to Singapore, Singapore the one time. Um, I almost got like, kind of like a Stepford Wives kind of vibe. Okay. Like, everything is too perfect. Okay. I've never been to Singapore. Um, and like, you guys can let me know if you think, maybe I was just,

maybe, maybe I was biased by just knowing that they can, they, they, like, come down hard on stuff. Um, but I just, I don't know. I just got this kind of like, I got this kind of weird. I got this kind of weird vibe. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, at Zame says,

I mean, you weren't not biased. I mean, yeah, that's fair enough. It's Hurley Time says I was there 20 years ago. I got the same kind of vibe.

Yeah, okay. I have no idea. What I do know, like in, in Taiwan, for example, I will be downtown

Taipei and walk down small, weird alleyways between buildings and feel a relatively deep sense of comfort and knowing that like I might exit this alleyway to a park with little old ladies doing Tai Chi at one in the morning for some reason and they will all feel safe and comfortable it's not just me for whatever reason. And to be clear, we're not saying they don't have any crime. No. They don't have any mental illness or people who, you know, do horrible. All of that stuff exists everywhere in the world. People are, people are messy creatures and it doesn't matter, you know, what country they live in or

the color of their skin or whatever else. People are messy. Um, but I do think that there are, there are different approaches to society building, some of which create a higher trust society and some of which create a lower trust society. And there, those are definitely a couple of couple places that have stood out to me as feeling very high trust. Yeah, and like gold balls in Floplaine chat said Luke must be a giant over there. Right, but like bullets and knives don't care. It's true. So like, you shouldn't be overconfident in your like size when it comes to getting

jumped in an alley. Like even like a baton, I would be, I would be a lot, I'd be a lot less scared of Luke if I had like a nightstick like honestly break a bone pretty quick with those anytime he put anything anywhere near me it would be like whack it with that

and that paired with the badminton skills like if he knows how to fight then I'm done because he'll close the distance right but if he doesn't just size is not enough right like it's it's amazing

what a difference just a small hard heavy object can make and so yeah don't be stop um

tell me more about that tell me more about that what are small hard and heavy it's dense man it's dense thick yeah

you can hit me with your thick stick little man the point is just that Him feeling safe is not just about him being sort of large for over there. Yeah, it was because there was a very high level of confidence, not in myself, but in the society that I was in. I also feel really safe there, and I'm not loop size.

So make of that what you will. All right, Microsoft has killed another Windows activation workaround while their weathering backlash over recent agentic OS endeavors. Windows has shut down a Windows activation workaround by pushing back-end changes that broke KMS-38-based activations, which used the Mascrave popularized method that let users keep Windows and office running indefinitely without actually paying for them. Users on these fake installs noticed deactivations right after their devices grabbed the latest extended security update. Even people who did buy Windows weren't spared, with some business Windows 10 users who installed this week's update finding their systems rolling back, to the previous build after rebooting,

silently failing to apply the patch at all. That probably wasn't intended. Yeah. In other news, Microsoft heard that the public is not interested in Windows becoming an agentic OS, but they think they can change the public's mind by talking about it more in a support article. The article explains how secure AI agent workspaces

will give agents access to shared folders and allow them to work in the background for you, completing tasks while you do other, I don't know, like human things. Scroll TikTok. Wow. What is it going to be doing? What is it, what do they think it's going to be doing? I don't know, but the funny part is that a version of this completely controlled by the user

with user dials and knobs of being able to control what it can access and what it can do and all that kind of stuff in Linux could actually be super sick. I don't trust Microsoft to do it properly at all and wouldn't want to touch it at all it reminds me a lot of recall which is like clearly and obviously you did not do that right did I not? No

did I lift it too early yeah nice nice you're not the only one who feels that way an intrepid writer from The Verge took one for the team and spent a week trying to interact with co-pilot the way Microsoft seems to want us to

and found that co-pilot made his, and this is a direct quote, computer feel incompetent. I didn't know that was, that's fantastic. And yet, we are being warned that one of the things

it is competent enough to do is install malware. As Microsoft's own article states that these kinds of agents would still be vulnerable to malicious prompts that may be embedded in emails, documents, or web pages.

So our discussion question, We're going to bring Dan in for this one, is where, in an operating system, do you think an AI agent could be helpful to you? Imagine what you want your AI agent to do. Navigate the two separate settings menus that... Okay, let's put him away. That's actually very funny. That's a pretty good point.

It's also kind of serious. Like, sometimes I want to adjust the settings on my computer. I would like to just have... Have it do that. But the second they give the agent that kind of system level access, then it's extremely dangerous. Yeah. Hey, can you switch it to output 5-6 on the headphone mix for me, please?

It's not coming through Chrome properly. That sounds great. Yeah. But there's no way that we could allow an incompetently managed agent that level of access. Hell, yeah. Yeah, there's, I think there's stuff like that. That's my comment. Well, I think one of the primary ways that AI stuff is currently used is search.

using it for like really advanced search and search related tasks would be fine like hey find all the videos on my uh s drive that have this type of content in them and move them into this folder i want to start editing a video based on that soon um one of the things that you know i'd love an agentic OS to do is for me to be able to just say i need to be in uh los angeles for a collab on December the 9th. Find me the travel arrangements that have me there for the least amount of time because I need to get back to my family

for my daughter's something. Or whatever. But the problem with mine is that I don't need my OS to do that. So, well, actually, there's two problems with mine. Problem number one is that I don't need my OS to do that. That could be... You have an LLV. What, sorry?

Large language Vance. Well, no, no, no, that's not. That's actually not one of the problems I was going to bring up. I don't need an app to do that because my browser should do that. Or an app. Yeah. Or an app. I don't need my OS to do that.

That's just the wackiness of modern computing, which is that it's like all in the browser. Yeah, I don't need my operating. Sorry, I said I don't need my app to do that. I misspoke. I don't need my operating system to do that. The other issue is that that use case only works if I put absolutely everything. into my phone, which I will just never be disciplined enough to do. Because it can only know my schedule if I tell it everything.

And your access to... I don't even want to live my life that scheduled. It's going to need to know where you're going to be on that day as well, which is why you're saying you need the schedule. Should I schedule, like, should I schedule time when I'm reading a book? Like, what did it... Like, who actually has their calendar filled out with enough D-T? that they would be able to say

make me a hair appointment and it probably wouldn't double book with something else that you might want to do. And I'm sure there's people out there that can function like that but there is no way that I could because there's always something. I'm going to get home.

I'm going to think I have a gap and I'm going to be like we're out of cat food. The kids are going to make it crazy too. Yeah, we're out of kitty food. I got to go get some cat food. And then it's just like, well, yeah, well, now I can't make it to this thing be good. Like, am I supposed to schedule time to potentially maybe shop for a random house

goods that I need? Like, come on. And what was the, what was the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, oh, because I do that. You do what? Put everything in the calendar. Oh, like everything. Hmm. Uh, but again, ADHD cope. Mm. I tell people all the time. If they ask me to like, have a meeting or shoot a thing. or do whatever if it's if it's work related at all i tell them every single time like you got to put that on calendar else it will not exist and i will not show up i should set up a macro it's just like my calendar's public book me that's a uh oh i see what you mean there's a there's a function in in google calendar now to like send someone a link where they can book on your calendar i have that enabled too but they i mean it's nice they ask it's better if they just do it yeah i don't even always agree

because like I'll have sections of my calendar where that's where I don't know that something's going to happen there book fake meanings yeah I've done that before yeah I like need to blank out a spot just set it as busy and deprive it yeah it works I guess I have done that before anyways I mean I guess the the ultimate goal right because the other part so aside from not being disciplined enough I just don't want absolutely everything thing that I do and every person that I see or talk to necessarily in my phone. But their ultimate goal is obviously to have the microphone on all the time so that it just kind of already has the context of everything that I ever do and everywhere I ever want

to be. I just, um, you know, I tried talking to Wendell in what I'm guessing was 2015, maybe 2016. Nice. Good year. Solid year. about building I remember predicting the future that year. Do you?

Oh yeah. What did you say? We both did. What did we say? We predicted the same future. Oh yeah. I remember. Okay.

That was a good enough tip. I was working with him on this idea where I wanted to do, at the time, I think my plan was like Dragon, naturally speaking or whatever that program was. I wanted to have that constantly running and writing to, like some document. I think I remember you talking about this. Yeah. Then I wanted to scan the document for keywords and then have home automations work off of the keywords and then have microphones distributed through my whole, your basement of the

house you were renting me at the time. And then basically have it always listening, but always entirely local. And I didn't even want this computer exposed to the internet. I wanted it air-gapped. Like, there's no way. This is only my stuff. And it, like, auto-deletes, whatever, does all these different types of things.

But running different home automations off of that. What did you even want it to do? I don't remember. I think I just wanted to make it work. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's fair enough.

Because that seems like a lot of why people bother to do home automation stuff. It's just for, like, the fun of it. Yeah. I don't remember. I think I had some more specific things. But, yeah. And he kind of, it was possible. And he talked me through some of the problems that it would have

and different things like that. And then it didn't end up doing it for a variety of reasons. But, oh, a constant stream of dragon dictation would have been messy. Yeah, he pointed that out. Yeah. It would be, so people are saying home assistant does that now. Wendell has a video on it. That's really interesting.

I didn't actually know. I was going to say we should look into doing something like that now. For the tech house, we will. Cool. Yeah, we actually, um, what, what is that? There's a guy working on a thing that could be a more elegant way of implementing that, that I'm not at liberty to discuss yet. Oh. But we are, uh, maybe gonna like, I don't know, feature that thing. Because I would, I would make it to market. Love something like that. It can't touch the internet at all. Yeah. That's like his whole jam. Fantastic. Yeah. Super cool. super cool because i i love like i've been to a few people's places recently um that have like an Alexa set up or a whatever thing and they tie some automations to it and it's really cool um but i'm not putting that in my house yep so i hear you our next topic or wait what are we supposed

to be doing when after dark how the heck are we supposed to transition to when after dark we still like five topics. We have been live for three and a half hours. You've been live for three and a half hours. That is also correct. Boom. Roasted. Should we blast through some stuff? I think we have some topics in here we can go through quickly. I mean, or we have some topics that are pretty big and important that we could get to. Yes. What the fuck? Yeah. Oh wow, we do still have that topic. Okay. YouTuber Ben Jordan has released a video. demonstrating some serious security and privacy concerns with Flock Safety's license plate cameras and their public safety technology ecosystem.

Flock Safety is an American manufacturer and operator of automatic license plate readers, ALPRs, video surveillance, and gunfire locator systems with more than 80,000 of their cameras deployed in the U.S. Flock operates many of these systems under contract for thousands of police departments plus other agencies, neighborhood associations, and private property owners. The video builds on a white paper from independent security researcher John Gaines documenting more than 50 vulnerabilities in flock safety systems. The video reports that multiple flock safety accounts belonging to public safety authorities were found for sale on the dark web

and notes that flock does not require two-factor authentication for some of their police department clients. It gets better. Researchers found that by pressing the button on a flock camera in a particular pattern, you can enable a wireless access point on the device. Oh, that's awesome.

After connecting to that access point, an attacker can send a command to enable ADB and then connect directly to the flock device allowing them to access all its data allowing them to install their own software and just generally use the device however they want. You know, there's a lot of different, this is a completely unrelated note,

but there's been a lot of different sites that have started traffing different movement of like ice vehicles and police activity and stuff. It would be a real shame if it just worked the opposite way that they had intended for it to work. Anyway, if connecting to that access point

is too much effort, Gaines also created a tool to make it even easier for anyone to gain full control of one of these cameras. Gaines says, the longest part, actually, is waiting for the access point to turn on, realistically, about five seconds.

And it's not just the cameras. If you're trying to take over one of Flock's AI compute boxes, so that's an edge, processing device that's used as part of their license plate recognition system, you don't even need to go to the trouble of turning on that access point. The device's USBC port is just sitting there waiting for something to be plugged in and Gain says you can just plug in a rubber ducky and walk away. So a rubber ducky is a USB device that pretends to be a keyboard and then sends pre-programmed keystrokes to the target device. We did a video about them a few years ago. They're super cool. And then once you have access, you can literally do anything you want on the device, including editing or outright replacing footage. It gets better. Flock's apps are installed on their devices with debugging enabled.

Nice. Which among other shenanigans means that execution can be paused mid-run and memory can be accessed and modified, which yada-y-y-da-y-da, leads to remote code execution with root privileges. researchers also found that flock cameras had a concerning level of hard-coded data, including a list of preferred Wi-Fi networks. Oh, that's awesome.

So by setting up dummy access points with those network names and then blocking access to cellular data, researchers were able to trick flock cameras into connecting to the dummy networks and then routing their traffic through them. Sick. analyzing the traffic with the usual tools researchers found additional credentials being sent in clear text beautiful absolute cinema some of this stuff i wonder if it's like uh intentional like the developers working for flock are just like yeah this kind of statewide surveillance is fucked let's make sure the stuff sucks like is that one could hope i don't know i doubt it yeah never attribute to you know

whatever that could be adequately explained by stupidity. I hope there's at least one. If you want to go with a real old school attack, researchers also found considerable RF signal leakage coming from newer flock cameras and discovered that it was possible to use a modern version of a tempest attack to see the live view of the camera

by simply isolating and decoding the camera data stream from the leaking RF. signals. Dan, I've seen the comments. I know that there's a too can somewhere in the frame but my ability to can has been lost

on this WAN show. I can't anymore. He's going to have to go. Where is he? I don't know. I haven't been able to find him. Oh. Sir ability to can. Oh.

farewell for the rest of this WAN show because I do not have the ability to Can anymore because I can't and I'm not done yet the problems aren't just in their hardware researchers also found an exposed API key on a flock demo site that shows some of the things that public safety agencies

are storing in ARC GIS a popular geographic information system which by the way was recently found to be compromised by a Chinese state-sponsored hacking group. Of course it was. This means that any and all data that agencies are tracking in ArcGIS may be compromised, including personal information of officers and agents, live locations of patrol cars and suspect vehicles,

and any other vehicle seen on one of Flock's cameras. Wow. And so on and so forth. Believe it or not, we're not done yet. Or, well, we're done. But that's still just the tip of the iceberg. Go check out the video. Dan, if you want to drop it in all the chats from Ben Jordan

or check out John Gaines' white paper, both are excellent. U.S. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon and Representative Raja, uh-oh, Raja of Illinois, have requested that the FTC open an investigation of flock safety's cybersecurity practices. And if you want to see if any of these systems

are being used near you, you can check out the EFF's Atlas of Surveillance. who could have possibly seen this coming i don't know not flock not with their army of cameras i do i am wondering so so ben is also the person who uh did the whole i saved a png to a bird thing i know a diamond dave pointed this out but i was i was just kind of putting that together myself as well save a p and g to a bird block what's going on here Ben has an interesting interest in birds. It's all bird-related.

Okay. He's trying to tell us. He is trying to tell us something. Are the power lines actually how they charge? The birds are surveillance. I think what's happening. I think they aren't real. Yeah, they might not be real.

Wake up. If I take off my headphones, do I not have to listen to you people? No, I can still hear him. You can probably not hear me very well. Yeah, I can hear you just fine. Ben's stuff is awesome. Well, that's disappointing. Very, very cool video.

Birds are the government. Stop it. Stop it all the baby. They are. That's why they've been, that's why they won't move to underground power lines. I think the government would be running better. To charge.

No, the government would be run better if it was birds. How do you know it's not? Have you ever seen them? A bird? Yeah, you can't prove that. No, he means the government. Oh, the government.

Same thing. Have I ever seen the same thing. They're the same thing. Have I ever seen the government? Did you see what I mean? Could Mark Carney theoretically be an AI influencer? I've never seen him in person. I haven't either.

That's a good take. None of us have seen him in person. Yeah, I mean, we live in the zero trust age. Who's going to be the first V-tuber president? If I hadn't already lost my ability to Ken, that would have done it. Miku for president Oh man Okay anyways

Continuing onwards At least had Sunni Miku wouldn't have started A feud with China I'm just saying I'm just saying Would they have tariffed Canada though We'll never know Talking of wars with China

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That's the rest of my cards. We have so many more topics, dude. Then have fun. Good luck. Massimo has been awarded $634 million over Apple patent infringement. Last week, Apple lost a federal jury trial in California over the use of blood oxygen monitoring technology. In 2023, the U.S. International Trade Commission ruled in Massimo's favor, which then banned Apple from importing Apple watches that had that technology. Earlier this year, Apple implemented a workaround to bring back the monitoring function.

by having the user's iPhone measure and calculate blood oxygen data. Massimo is now suing U.S. Customs and Border Protection over allowing Apple to do this. Massimo has also accused Apple of poaching its employees like their chief medical officer. Apple says they disagree with the verdict and will appeal. Can we talk about the concept of poaching? You can't own people. If someone's willing to pay someone more, then isn't that just like the free market? am I missing something here like I do understand that people can be privy to trade secrets and there can be there can be instances of corporate espionage where someone explicitly like specifically gains a position in order to get access to data and bring it back somewhere else I think there's also a idea where you could attack another company by constantly depleting them of human resources that could be anti-competitive and then firing them immediately well no if you hire them forever then isn't it fine

Well, what if you just poached all their employees and then fired them after two months? Well, no, I'm not saying it's a problem for the individuals involved being poached. I'm saying, like, if you're trying to operate as a business and another company, what if, like, oh, my. Are we saying that is the attack is you take all their good employees? This is a fascinating idea. You don't have hiring at all. You have a competitor, and you just trust their hiring process, and then just offer anyone that gets, hired there slightly more. Save your money on the hiring process. Your job, your job board is

their LinkedIn. Yeah. That one looks nice. How much you make? I'll add 5%, 10% 20. It's like their hiring process is probably pretty rigorous. I mean, I'm sure people have thought of this. We'll take them. I mean, that was basically the entire developer circle jerk in Silicon Valley for I think so. And this is this is where I think mostly the term poaching comes from. It's not hiring one person. It's trying to like take an entire team as far as my understanding goes like i know old school silicon valley there was conversations about poaching when like yeah a company would want to spin up an arm of its own company would take an entire team so you take a whole business unit out yeah see that's where i kind of because because on the one hand like i i i can completely see multiple facets or multiple angles of this

Like from a worker angle, anything that restricts my mobility is bullshit. Oh, I don't think there should be restrictions on it. Right. Well, but I would say, I would say, I would feel as a worker that my mobility is restricted if you're employing me today and Dan could potentially be punished for poaching me. I'd say that restricts my mobility. Well, they're suing. No, they accuse them of it. Are they suing them for it?

I don't think you can sue someone for poaching. Oh, okay. I, okay, in that case, you know what? I misread this. I thought, I thought that there was some kind of implication that poaching was somehow, like, not allowed or something. No, I think it's most, okay. It's like a gentlemanly? You can sue someone.

Oh. Can you? Nope. It's typically basis for loss. If the poached employee non-competes, non-slication, if the employee had a fiduciary obligation to the former company. Oh, okay. Post-employee has access to valuable or confidential information. Okay, so, yeah, okay, okay, no, I'm going to come back to what I was saying.

So, who, what employee, name an employee at Linus Media Group that doesn't have access to any valuable or confidential information. That's so broad. But any employee, anywhere for any company, technically, but it would have to be utilizable by the company that they're going to. Sure, but I mean, I mean, if I got hired to. That's literally the definition of relevant experience. there's a big difference between experience and information sure but you gain a lot of information through experience and you gain a lot of experience through the utilization of information

there's a different the type of information is important and I'm not trying to form a nuanced take right now I hear what you're saying I'm trying to see it from one perspective I don't know how to define it but there's a there's a there's a dividing line and the type of information there's definitely multiple definitions like IP information so definition number one is as a worker as a worker B, who's doing my B work, fuck anything that limits my mobility. And if there's any kind of restriction that prevents Dan over here from hiring me for

more than you're willing to pay me, then basically f*** that. Yeah. So I can see that perspective, 100%. Yeah. I can also see the perspective of, like, let's say a startup, right? A smaller, a smaller entity going like, well, hold on, this is bullspit, because, a company like and I don't want to pick on anyone specific so let's just say one of the magnificent however many of them there are you know one of these like giant mega cap hundreds

of billions or even like trillions of dollars valuation companies having just enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens just coming in and strategically making it impossible for my company to function by by effectively like yeah just just kneecapping my ability to function by just hiring away absolutely everyone effectively does happen which which is not anything that they've done wrong from like the workers perspective but from an antitrust and maintaining a true free market perspective i could see being an actual problem yeah i don't know how to deal with that. I don't know how to deal with that. I don't think you can. I don't think you can write a law that stops that from happening that doesn't end up with an outsized negative

effect on the employees in this situation. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just... If you try to write a law that would cover that, it would unquestionably be abused in highly corporate favor. It would just end up being bad. There's a lot of cases like this, right? And I like pretty much guarantee you that that has happened. Oh yeah. I mean, 100%. And there's just nothing you can do about it. Like someone in chat pointed, I'm flipping topic slightly. Someone in chat pointed out like information that we could have that could be used by an outside group could be like a customer list. Oh, 100%. But one of the problems with something like a customer list is you're getting sued on both ends. The employee that left with that and then gave it over would be individually sued and if the company that received it

didn't immediately get rid of it and then go after the employee and like basically fire them if they if they took that information and used it you could also just sue them like that's actually just super not okay but mostly for like the privacy of the user list reasons but what if it wasn't a user list what if it was my relationship list then where's the line between a user list. That one is interesting. That's in a database. Because I personally know people. And a relationship list that's in my phone, which is also a database. Linus, you went to that factory tour and they made you blur that machine. I just memorized the name and model of that machine. I'm going to a similar company. I'm going to a similar company. Like, for my last job, I took knowledge of

what I did there, and I apply it here. But knowledge of how to do a skill is not the thing that we're talking about. But knowledge of a piece of information. It's my industry. You know? The knowledge of how to do skill is it does not apply. Software, hardware, what should we buy? It would have to be... Like, is that not knowledge, right? Like, and where does that blur?

If I just memorize the phone numbers in the contact list, is that knowledge? I literally know what machine we do lithography with. You should buy that one. I didn't take a list. It's just, that was the one that we used. Yeah, I know that. That's interesting. Pay me half a million a year, please.

Nipolis Cage says A TikToker just got sued and lost Or the TikToker who A TikToker got sued and lost For stealing someone's husband If you can win that case Sure that you could win a case against this Now I think it was it was less about the actual like adultery

And more about the TikToker posting publicly about it And humiliating the wife Okay Yeah That is my understanding of that But it was an interesting headline I still don't know how that works, to be honest. Isn't kidnapping just like...

Actually, it's crying. You physically stole my husband. Sorry, that's why I laughed. Not because that's kind of mean. Wait, Etzim says it's a specific Georgia law, and it is about the infidelity. You've got to be kidding me. That makes no much sense.

You can be sued for being a husband stealer. America's a wild place. You have got to be kidding me. Wow. Disbreze says it's a pretty poorly executed court case. You've got to be kidding me. Oh, Nipalus Cage says North North Carolina? Well, hold on.

Ikea Cherry says Georgia. Husband poaching. Okay, come on, chat. Now you're just confusing me. Okay. We should move on. I don't know if any of us knows. Relationship secrets. I've seen myself as more of a sunny side-up husband.

Scramble eggs. actually poached are you going to have an egg pun he did one did you did not really I said scramble it's not very good

I want you give the ding to him not me yeah sorry bypassed my name I do not share in the reverberations this is exciting I um is it yeah because and I'll explain why

actually I'll explain why after all right first I'll talk about it Tesla is apparently considering integrating Apple car play this is not confirmed but Unintentionally on reports call for wireless connectivity and it would be displayed

within a windowed environment in the Tesla infotainment system and this reconsideration of implementing car play appears to be driven, pun intended, thank you, new probationary writer, by Apple abandoning plans to create its own electric car. This is just another little tidbit. Carplay and Android Auto are considered essential by at least one third or more of potential buyers. I am one of them. I consider those things essential. And let me explain why.

Are you a potential buyer of a Tesla? I am excited about this. at any stage in Tesla's journey from where they were to where they are today I have never been open to driving one and not driving one but yeah driving well okay see it's complicated I bought one because my in-laws chose a Model Y

when I told them they could have a car and so I bought them a Model Y so I've bought a Tesla but I would never buy one for myself had to go to you for approval and a major sorry you said that they could have a car what paid for it i know i'm just messing the ver the wording of it was funny they came to me and i told them they could have a car i guess what no it wasn't like that they did i know it just they did a lot of child care for us over the years they were they were hugely supportive and are a huge part of how evan and i

were able to be as successful as we were they let us live there rent free for years um while we went to school and while we saved up to buy our first house together so basically I was just paying them back yeah like yeah which is sick I just the way worded it was just fun um so so anyway a major part of why I wouldn't

consider a Tesla is the locked down proprietary nature of their infotainment system sure because the writing was on the wall the day they locked it down they were going to control every aspect of the software of this car and the soft of this car was going to control every aspect of the hardware.

And so it was a matter of time, and we've talked about this, many times over the years, before everything would be a flipping subscription or an unlock or a fee or whatever the case may be. And I'm not into that. I already have something with a bunch of subscriptions, including a wireless data subscription. And I would like to simply plug it into my car so that I don't have two of those things in my life because one is enough. And a major concern that I had about Tesla's success was that they were having all of this success with this locked down infotainment system. My lips really hurt. Don't laugh at me.

That's so mean. I wasn't even going to until you said so. I was doing fine. Like, the reason that I list there was because this one, like, caught on the thing. It's really painful right now. they're like super swollen today um back of my throat swollen too but that's a separate issue um the point is it's been a major concern for me that tesla has managed to be so successful having broken from the the rest of the crowd in in allowing this and that they've become

that they had become anyway this like leader in electrification and in car soft And you can actually see their influence. That's what I was worried about. In the same way that even as a non-Iphone user, I get concerned when Apple does something that is unfriendly to interoperability between devices or that is not consumer friendly. I get concerned by that because as Apple does, the industry tends to follow. Do you think that is still true? I absolutely agree that it was. And for many years, Tesla was undisputably a leader in car software. I don't know that Rivian would have had the stones to say, hmm, no car play, no Android Auto if Tesla hadn't shown that there was a major customer base that was willing to overlook it. So, sorry, what were you going to ask?

I wasn't going to, I was, do you think there's still, a thought leader in the space at this point? I still think that their software experience is ahead of where many other North American brands are. I think that GM is like trying to build an infotainment solution

into their cars that will rival Tesla. I remember having just a stoop, like I probably gave the guy a look unintentionally, but when we were shopping for Yvonne's new car and we were at the and we were at the dealership and the guy goes like And yeah, compared to yours, which uses the, like, couple of years older system, the new one is so much more responsive.

Look at this. I was like, that's still leggy as fuck. Like, come on, man. There's like 10-year-old Teslas that are more responsive than this. You've got to be kidding me. Anyway, rep havoc in floatplane chats. Tesla news is so damn boring. Then you aren't paying attention to it.

It's not, yeah, the point here is not Tesla. This is news. This is news about a potential shift. in the mentality as GM is going in the direction explicitly going in the direction of reducing their interoperability with your device that you can plug in to have all your maps and stuff and moving toward explicitly doing that so that they can move toward more subscription revenue Tesla who has been a leader in the space of in-car software whether you like them or not okay doesn't matter the point is they have been an industry leader and are apparently considering integrating apple car play this is a big deal because competition is good that's why it's not about tesla news you've got to i don't know you've tried to see the bigger picture here the bigger picture is any player who goes oh yeah there is simply no technological reason why i couldn't just run android auto or car play within a window and

maintain my infotainment system and give the user a choice. Every one of them that does that puts pressure on everyone else who locks things down and tries to turn your entire life into a fucking subscription. It's good. That's why it matters. Zeno 98 says not Android Auto. Yeah, I'd be obviously bummed if, you know, it stayed that way. I do suspect that CarPlay would simply be what would come first and Android Auto would come later.

Porsche did that. It was CarPlay only for years and then they actually backported Android Auto into those cars later on after the fact. And I think the reason that they prioritized Android Auto is a very similar reason to why Tesla would prioritize Android Auto. And I think that the Tesla and Apple customer base is probably a very large overlapping Venn diagram. They have very similar sort of styles. similar approach. Tesla obviously emulated a lot of Apple's image in creating their products and in creating their brand.

Do you know how much it costs for a manufacturer when I was Googling this? I could only find aftermarket stuff or options sometimes. But do you know how much it costs on the manufacturers end to add, you know, CarPlay and Android Auto? I don't think, my understanding is it doesn't cost anything. understanding is that Google, I don't know about Apple, but on the Google side, my understanding is that it is so beneficial from an ecosystem and data collection standpoint that they will basically like help you do it is my understanding, but I could be wrong about that. Yeah, I don't

know. Um, interesting. Oh yeah. Hey, um, Samsung fridges display ads now. Imagine getting an Apple ad on your Samsung fridge. And that being the least unnatural thing about this whole experience. Yeah, I'm not buying a fridge with a screen. Our discussion question is, who could have seen this coming? Everyone. It's a slash house. I know, I know, I know.

That was it. That's kind of all I have to say about that. Man, there's been so many points when I would have lost. so our ability to can well maybe to give you something back I don't I don't think it's in our some good news doc

but full punch out reminded me of it the Libra pods thing oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's cool have you used it no because it requires a rooted phone at least for now is my understanding

so it's pretty cool it unlocks some of the functions that Apple that Apple locks by changing your device identification, like your device ID, essentially to Apple. So Spoof being an Apple device. So this, if nothing else, what this does is it proves

that there is no technological reason that Apple couldn't allow these functions to exist on Android, but that they explicitly block them through allowing them only, like allow listing them on Apple. devices and then not allowing it on anything that isn't a vendor ID Apple. Wild. Yeah, interesting. Seriously, like, I mean, I love my AirPods. I really, really do. We have a video coming. Full review AirPods Pro 3s. Long-term review. I love AirPods. I hate being a second-class citizen

because I don't own enough Apple products. So I daily drove. them for part of it with an iPhone after I switched to the iPhone air and then I daily drove it for part of it with an Android phone so I kind of had both experiences while I was using them and there's a lot of really great features that are exclusive to AirPods that are paired to an iPhone which makes

the price of the AirPods Pro 3 is not $250 but starting at $800 and that would be with an iPhone whatever the E1 is 16E, I think, is their like most budget iPhone. That's not cheap anymore. This is cool.

Yeah. Wait, where'd it go? Actually, this is both a couple cool things. The Google Play Store will be flagging apps with high battery usage. App developers that plan on publishing through the Google Play Store will have until March 1st, 2026 to update their apps to comply with a new Android vitals metric called excessive partial wake locks. This will allow the Play Store to flag apps that have high background activity that may cause

battery draining. I love this. See, this, this is how you add value to the user to give your marketplace a reason to exist, not just by locking developers and locking users into just one app marketplace. This is a high, this is a competitive market, non-antitrust way to differentiate your marketplace. And this would make me, even if I had the choice to use multiple marketplaces, whether it's on iOS or whether it's on Android, this would make me more likely to want to use the first party one, and not just because you've locked me in so that you can get your 30% cut or whatever. I really like this. I think it's super cool. And this one is no notes, but just the UK is apparently banning reselling tickets for

profit. Sick. I love it. Can we all just love this? Yeah. I don't think you're adding any, you know, benefit. society by doing that so sounds good yeah like seriously though i i don't think taylor swift wants her tickets marked up by third-party sellers it's not like she gets more money for it like this is great if you can't make it to a concert or whatever and you want to flip your tickets that should absolutely be allowed yeah whatever but you do it for face value yeah sure that simple sweet love it i wonder if there's going to be a horrible work around. Like, I wonder if you could do it but have fees.

There's always a workaround. You can buy this ticket. It's at face value. There's also a thousand dollars of fees. Quatro Forte says Taylor does. I really don't think she does. I don't think she, I don't, I think she wants you to pay more, yes, but to her. Not to a scalper. Yeah, for sure. HP and Dell have decided that laptop buyers don't need HVC support. Some Dell and HP Laptop. owners are discovering that their machines can't play content encoded with HVC or H265 in spite of their CPUs definitely having integrated decoding support. The codec has been supported by Intel CPUs since the sixth generation of their core processors launched in 2015 and AMD around the same

time. For some reason, both manufacturers have disabled this feature on some of their most popular or some of their popular business laptops. HP discloses that the feature is disabled on the data sheets for the impacted machines, while Dell seemingly only mentions it on a general support page about 4K video playback, where they note that HVC content is only available on laptops with an optional discrete GPU, with an integrated 4K display, with Dolby Vision, or with a Cyberlink Blu-ray player. What year is it? When reached for comment, neither company would state why they've chosen to disable the feature.

That's strange. And both suggested the purchase of a third-party software solution. A comment on the hardware subreddit suggests that the change may be in response to an upcoming increase in licensing costs from a reasonable 20 cents per laptop to a clearly profiteering 24 cents per laptop. In all seriousness, though, I mean, this is a big part of why H265 HVC was such a cluster bomb. There were multiple parties involved in IP ownership of, part of it, which made the licensing of it just a complete disaster.

Long live H264, I guess. Yeah. After Dark. And maybe even longer live AV1. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go Avey 1.

Big time. I like AV1. Yeah, we're going after dark. Is that it for our topics this week? I mean, we do technically have other things without notes. We could talk about what I'm doing this weekend. Oh, what are you doing this? We could talk about, is the bubble popping? What's the, what's the...

Should we, is the AI bubble popping? You see what happened to Bitcoin this week? Do you happen to Nvidia this week? Hmm. Yeah, in spite of their earnings beat, like... Well, yeah, there was some things on the earnings call to... Mr. Big A has a good video on it, but there's things on the earnings call that upon further investigation did not seem as good.

as... Was it the whole circular money thing? There's, yeah, there's a lot of accounts receivable chill in there. There's a lot of inventory chill in there, which is a interesting situation to be in. There was a comparison drawn between Cisco at the hike of the dot-com bubble and Vida now, where their accounts receivable are super inflated. Their inventory is super inflated. Yeah, how can you have both high inventory and...

and high AR. Interesting spot. Hmm. But, yeah, don't listen to me. Go watch Big A video because I might be misquoting. Well, no, wait, no, hold on. Yeah, because if you have big accounts receivable, then you should be shipping inventory, right?

Sort of the problem. Ideally, or you're producing at a high amount per Atriarch strikes again. It does. He does good stuff. maybe that stuff that you sold a bit ago the really really high accounts receivable could mean that you're doing a lot of business it could also mean that you

the partners that you're working with are having a hard time paying their bills which is a bad sign and if you have a bunch of inventory and you have a bunch of that that could mean that your cycle is just really fast and you need to stock up inventory to slap at a data center or whatever

it could also mean that you have a bunch of people that bought things and are struggling to pay for them and you're expecting a lot more orders to come in and those ones aren't coming in and both of those things are happening at the same time so you have a lot of inventory stocking up you have a lot of people not paying for the stuff that you've already moved there's a lot of different things that it could mean

it doesn't necessarily mean bad but it doesn't necessarily mean good not financial advice I'm just throwing that out there Yeah. I'm just, I want to throw that out there. Not financial advice. Neither of us are zero, zero invidia investment. I am, I'm zero invidia. Um, not, not because I think they're like a, you know, like bad investment. I just, I don't invest in invidia. People have clearly made a lot of money off of it. Yeah. And I, I wish them, I wish them, I wish them, I wish them well. I, I, I hope that there are many leather jackets in their futures. Sure. Um, maybe even leather jackets in their options. That was pretty good. That was pretty good.

Sorry. It hurts. Um, yeah, so meanwhile, this, that's been interesting to watch over the last, Zibitcoin, uh, month. Yeah, like, is the, is, is the bubble popping now? Like, is it happening? Like, everyone, everyone with sort of any kind of connection to reality knows we're in a bubble.

Yeah. It's just that you can't know when it will pop until it has already popped. And in this case, I can't even tell, like, if this is a blip or if this is a real pop. Because, I mean, here, like, you know, Bitcoin's a perfect example of just this, like, volatility. Like, this and this don't look markedly different. They look a little different. but like you know okay this was a popped bubble um i'd say i'd say this oh man the way that this is accelerating okay it does look bad yeah it's

pretty who she's spicy she's spicy um did you see my oracle one bring it up bring it up bring it up Oracle five days nine percent mm-hmm mm-hmm let's see five years oh yeah it's a good wait to the right to the right to the right mm-oosh whoosh. Okay. Is this it? Is it time? I think the most, to me, a very interesting part of this is a lot of people have been pointing at open AI.

Yeah, not financial advice. That's going to be the one that is the most interesting. But open AI is not public. Right. So you can't see it. That's like saying, you know, SpaceX is going to be the bellwether for when the, you know, trillion air space exploration bubble pops or whatever. What a bubble.

Oh no, the four people it's going to affect That bubble is very well protected Bezos in shambles What is he going to do this summer? I have to go back to Italy Yeah, how's everyone else doing? You got Nvidia there? Yeah, I can grab that one up, they're down.

Yeah, I just want to see the shape. You know, I want to see the shape. Check out Roblox. Okay, five days. This is their five days. Okay, yeah, yeah. That's their one, so it's kind of flattening. Yep, five years.

I want to see the five years. We'll see the shape. Woosh. Okay, okay. So that doesn't really look. It's not a massive fall yet. Yeah, it doesn't look markedly worse than things we've seen before. Still up 1,266%.

But yeah, the five days is down about four. Yeah, okay. Not as bad as Oracle. Why do you want me to look at Roblox, Dan? Do you do you own Roblox? You would be very surprised. Roblox? Why is Roblox crashing? Yeah, what happened? Uh-huh. Well, yeah, why is Roblox falling off a cliff? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, look at the one month. Everybody

forgets about Roblox, not financial advice. Look at one month. Oh, well, I mean, I'm looking at five years. 30%. Yeah. What, what, okay, explain yourself. Can you, yeah. Yeah, why did you bring up Roblox? I mean, I can't because not financial advice, but it is a tech stock, if you want to think about it like that. It's very interesting as a, as a, something to look at, I guess. You're being so vague. We understand it's not financial advice. I mean, I have to be. I mean, what the fuck you're talking about. It's included in a lot of managed EFT portfolios and other stuff like that. I see. As one of a, like a very big indicator on, on that kind of like tech portfolio stuff. I see. Roblox is absolutely massive. It's also, you know, play

by, I don't know how many people these days. A lot of it's fake. And so to see it also dipping is quite interesting. I see. I don't know if it's just like a market correction or if this is like

if this is it. Or if this is it. It's very easy to be all doomer about it. Yeah. I think obviously everything's on sale right now. Not financial advice.

And... He's got to keep saying that. Parachutes are not. You want to see another interesting one? I'm pretty sure I got this from Mr. Atriac as well. I don't think parachutes worked that great from a building anyway, so... Exactly. Google's one month. Yeah. Up 18.6%. Google's five day up 4.6%. One day up 3.33%. So Google's still

on a tear. I mean, I got to feel like part of that has got to be that Berkshire just like bought a ton of it. And Yep. Not even just them soaking up so much of the available stock, but also just when Berkshire does something, they tend to be trendsetters. So I don't even, not financial advice. None of this is financial advice. But it is also just interesting.

Ed Zemm says they're doing buybacks. I don't, yeah, I don't know that. I've not followed what Google's been doing lately. Microsoft's apparently down 7%. Man, this is, uh, what a, what a, what was it, I wasn't there. I wasn't old enough. What, what, what was it like to live through the dot-com crash? Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. Like, neither, neither of us were there, but it feels like this is our generation's dot-com crash, to go along with our generation's COVID crash, to go along with our generation's 2008 financial crisis. Here's a fun question. What if we have a 2026 financial crisis because of the housing market and an AI bubble crash at the same time? What if we doubled it and gave it to ourselves? That's an awesome idea. And then COVID too. Oh. And also like out of control national debt. Oh. Don't forget about that potential crisis. Military actions. We've got some. of those. Oh, yeah, right. That. Yes. A few of those. This is going to be fun. I think, are we

approaching the great filter? Is that what the ultimate, interesting times are? May you live through interesting times? It's just like, oh my God. May you survive the filter? We're so special. Okay, hear me. Hear me out. Hear me out. Ammunition. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And canned food. do you think even well i mean okay hold on not financial advice this is why we're saying linestown the whole time is to protect us from the climate wars yeah well where's the town going to be dan in the desert of most of canada

good news man joe yeah a lot of the uh... a lot of the uh... military ones are not doing too bad. Great. Okay. Hear me out. Hear me out. Oh, boy. Tech yacht or tech plane?

So when shit goes down. You're going to outrun the sun like that crappy movie? I don't even remember the name of that movie. Tech lunar base. Oh, I'm super down. Tech Lunar Base, I'm down. Shep me to the moon, dude. Let's go.

Let's go. Yeah, okay. Do you think even... I bet you CW. engineering could make bang and body armor. Do you think even gold will be worth anything in the next major, like, societal meltdown? Will the oldest currency survive? What level of societal meltdown are you talking about? I don't know.

Whatever's coming. Okay, but you're talking... You said... We're going full prepper. Both of us. We're going to go full prepper. Yeah. We're going full prepper.

Yeah. Like, will it be literally water, ammunition, food? I think it's that. Wikipedia drives. But for a dense period of time. Hold on. Hold on. I actually liked Dan's answer.

Did you just say downloading the entirety of Wikipedia? Yeah, it's going to be food, guns, and then Wikipedia. Let's do some self-revealing preper stuff right now. I have a decent amount of Wikipedia stuff on my phone. Knowledge is great. because they can't just kill you and take it. Whereas they can kill you and take your stockpile of whatever. Well, no, but if it's encrypted,

if you're literally the only one, actually no, even then they can just like put a gun to your head and tell you they'll pull the trigger if you don't unlock it. But then if you don't unlock it, then they can't pull the trigger if they want the knowledge. So it's better than, you know, a bunch of bananas in terms of keeping you alive. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess so. But yeah, I think that would be a condensed period of time. And then you're going to want to start like making things again. And you'll probably want currency again. Because currency, it turns out is like pretty useful. Trade is like a pretty neat idea. And carrying around like cans of food is actually not convenient. I think I think the new currency should just be like little USB flash drives with the entirety of Wikipedia on them. And that is like your new currency in the after the.

Apocalypse? That's really specific. I mean, knowledge is power. Why would you want to give people the entirety of Wikipedia? I will give you 12 knowledge for your cow, please. This one has pictures. I added classical literature pictures to it. Oh.

Then you have the like illicit ones. Can we get some dirty chaucer poems or something? This one has the. pelvic bone structure. That's it. Knowledge of when people were clean. I've got dentistry from 1805. Porn would probably be pretty big.

Yeah, here's the model that just came out. It's like, yeah. Oh, a 3D printer. Oh, 3D printer would be huge. And a bunch of filament. Yeah, filament. You'd have to stalk up filament. But there is that, like, I don't know how good it is,

but I've seen those people that like shreds. the plastic bottles and make filament out of that? I don't know if it's good. We're doing a video on that. Oh, cool. Like, what you can do with, like, reclaimed, like, three-d-printer poops and also making things out of, like, other stuff. That's really cool.

Yeah. One of the new guys is kind of exploring, you know, that. We're just kind of doing our typical LTT kind of shallow dive into, you know, all the kind of cool stuff that's going on in that space right now. It's going to be really good. um what else what else would there be yes spools of filament become the new caps how will the sock warranty work though asks andre be in this apocalypse yeah dude how have you not planned for this it's in person do you not have a a continuation plan

for actual apocalypse i am not if i'm a raider trust me bro survive it's pronounced raidist And I'm running through the waist and I, you know, step on a spike and we have to amputate my foot. But I wish to give my sock to someone else. You have no sock license that doesn't allow it to be transferred. And I want to get a new sock. How does this work? I think, whoops, what am I doing right now? How do I contact LTT store support?

Carrier pigeon. a bird call yeah how are we gonna charge them otherwise we'll lose our government all right I'm not ready

to go prepper yet but no I have some very minor stuff I bought a relatively small case of MREs

but that wasn't even government collapsed stuff that was just like earthquake what if the power's out for three days that's smart yeah i don't know it's and there's like a little bit of water because there was um our building's been pretty okay for a while but there was like a lot of problems for a long time and there there was a serious thing we're like if these levels of problems that we're having start splitting into electrical as well like the food in the fridge is going to spoil and then it would be kind of nice if we could exist

at home and have food at that time. S.J.W. 5135 says LTT bugout bag. Nice. That'd be kind of sick. It could have a spot for all the USB drives of knowledge. Yeah. Like you've got that cell phone pocket in your jacket. It's just got like a couple things for USB drives at Wikipedia.

Heck yeah. All right. Our other topic that's left before, after. is what I'm doing this weekend. Yeah, what are you doing this weekend? I am finally getting my airbrake certification. Oh. Oh, so you can drive the fire truck.

Which will allow me to daily drive my fire truck that I purchased many moons ago. I can't wait until you park it in front of your neighbor's place. Didn't I hear that the service people were like upset because normally, you know, it doesn't see six kilometers between regular services. Really? Something like that Well you had to go get serviced regularly Because how regular

It's a fire truck Well yeah It's like yearly service Something like that Has to be done It's had like seven kilometers Since that service Oh so they were upset about that

They were confused Oh I see Yeah it's been parked Okay I understand I thought it was like Dan was talking about the other way around Yeah yeah yeah I misinterpret that

Oh we don't know I thought you're saying it needs service Every seven kilometers I was like, no. No. I was so confused. All right. I finally lost it.

While you guys get started, I'm going to run to the washroom. Not having another one of these did not prevent that. He could have been hydrated the whole time. He could have. Damn it. I guess we're going into After Dark then. Yes. I have a couple in here for you.

Moving on. That we can look at. Hooray. I keep opening the wrong app on my phone. After dark Google search Luke Question for Luke And maybe Linus

Oh How do you see AI Genuinely Inhancing player experiences In games And where could it start To go wrong If studios fall into the usual

NISTification pattern It's kind of tough Because there's like There's been examples Of how it could be used In single player games already I mean there's Skyrim mods Right

That have like AI followers. You could have AI Lydia or whatever. In my opinion, like playing something like Baldersgate, I don't think I even want that. I want the word-by-word tailored experience that they were able to deliver to me. Okay. I'm very good.

Wait, they can even see it. Nothing happened. But yeah, I kind of want the tailored experience that they can give to me. I do think there will be scenarios where having the dynamicism of something like an AI follower thing would be great. Like I've had this vision for a squad combat game where you're like a squad leader to a certain degree. And you can communicate with your team through your microphone on your computer. but it's a single player game and they can communicate back and it's not just simple commands like stack up like you could you could do more complicated things and they might actually be able to

understand and react properly and converse with you and things like that it could be very very interesting um there are definitely opportunities where it could be really cool i don't remember the second part of the question there was two parts i swear where can it start to go wrong if it falls into the usual angiotification pattern. Oh, yeah.

A lot of those AI character mods for Sky are kind of junk. I think they, I mean, you've all

conversed with AI for too long before. It can really lose the plot. Yeah, it can get really weird.

It can get really outside of the game. Yeah, I'd love to see it more in the like interacting with commands rather than like

it being the, intention for the story. Yeah, like I, I, I, I really like that squad combat idea, like I mentioned. But, yeah, I don't, I don't want to, I don't think I want to be able to ask Lydia about quantum physics and have her be like, no, yes. That thing that hasn't been in. I can totally answer that for you.

I know what toilet paper is. Yeah, and there's, there's no real way with the current systems that we have to actually ensure that that's not going to become a problem. I can pretty much guarantee that it will be a little bit whack. I have a not answer, but at least a response on the whole, how are we handling people

who move between float plane tiers? Sammy said this was an edge case we didn't consider. Colton and I will discuss on Thursday with a plan, but the focus will be to do what's best for the customer. So that's not an answer. That's not a commitment, but it is a attitude. Up next.

And a dev change. Very cool. Hello. Have you found the refrigerant for your super cooler machine yet? If not, I have priced out how much it would cost for me, licensed EPA 608, and buy it. $2,600 for 10 pounds, 15 pounds your needs. Oh, interesting. I don't know that for sure.

but Dan, can you mark that? And it's actually Elijah, who is following up that project. I think we have a technician coming in next week to do an assessment of the machine. We managed to get in touch with the same guy who decommissioned it. Yeah, that's crazy. Which is pretty beneficial when it comes to machines of that sort of temperamentality and complexity. So he apparently said that when it was. decommissioned it was working and considering how long it's been it looks like it's in

great shape from an initial just glance as we dig deeper we could find stuff but yeah I am hopeful that we will return it to working order I am not very hopeful that it will serve us make any sense. Yep. We'll get to that later. We'll get to that in the video. Oh, I think there's even yeah, sure. Uh, all right, next up. Good evening, Disneyland Lezort. I don't know if people try. In catching up with previous WAN shows, I've learned of Linus's love of Joseph and the amazing technical green coat. There was red and yellow and green and orange and violet and pink And, no, I can't. Was that accurate up till there?

The very beginning was. Nice. Linus, can you name all the colors in order? He could not. Because it starts to have a whole bunch of, like, other ones, like ochre and, like, coat colors in order, song lyrics, hold on. Red and yellow and green and brown. Oh, no, I was totally wrong.

I got the first three. Did I say red, yellow, green? Right and yellow and green. Yeah, I think I got that. And brown and scarlet and black and ocher. peach and ruby and olive and violet and fawn and lilac and gold and chocolate and cream and crimson and silver and rose as your lemon gray purple white pink orange and blue apparently that is obscene mm-hmm nice nice cool coat heck yeah such a great musical howdy d l and chat now that the

holidays are upon us what are some of y'all's family holiday family traditions that are specifically yours that no other friends or family do. Thanks and happy holidays y'all. I've kind of won. I don't know if this counts because I don't know that no one else does it. But we are on purpose extremely slow doing presents. Like very much on purpose. You essentially generally go, you go one person at a time unless there's mirror gifts. Like if people are receiving the same thing, they receive them at the same time. But other than that, you go one person at a time. The idea is that they open it.

There's often like an opportunity for the person who gave the gift to like talk about it or why they might have thought it was good for them or whatever. That's a lot of pressure. They'll like pass it around. People can check it out. You like experience it for a moment and then you move on to the next one. It's not the like frenzy, open up everything super fast. There's none of that. There's often even selecting it like it'll often.

and be you're not allowed to pick one that you gave someone you're not allowed to pick something for yourself and you can go up and pick it but now that there's little ones like we try to get them to do it in the past we'd try to get like Chloe the dog to like and mom tried a trainer to like go grab presents that sounds like such a your mom thing to do yeah um and yeah it's like a whole thing It takes all day. But it's cool. I like it a lot, personally. It is a very defended tradition.

Dumb question. You're on speaker on WAN Show. That's not a question. What are some of y'all's... Nice. What are some of y'all's family holiday traditions that are specifically yours and no other friends and family do?

do we really like have a lot of like traditions i don't really feel like we do i'm kind of at a loss here well we put up those christmas lights all around our family room i don't think most people do that i don't think putting up christmas lights is a uh well no no like that that is a very normal thing to put on your roof or like on a christmas tree but decorating the couch and the fireplace with christmas lights is kind of different um yeah i don't know if it is okay fireplace no couch kind of weird okay okay I play super normal couch. I do always put them on the couch.

Couch is not okay. So, well, okay, I can explain why. So one of the things that was really cool for me as a kid, even once I knew that Santa wasn't real, is that my parents would deck out the living room. So Santa didn't just leave presents for our family. Santa also decorated our living room. Oh.

So we will put up our tree, which often isn't even, even in our living room right now it goes in just our foyer so when you walk in there's like a christmas tree um but we don't do like christmas morning there so we don't do our gift exchange there so we don't have um so so that's in the living room so before the kids uh or after the kids go to bed uh we'll do like the usual normal stuff so we do uh sometimes we forget to do the plate with the cookies and the carrots or whatever um for the reindeer uh but we what we've always consistently remembered to do is the note and then also Santa puts up a bunch of Christmas lights

in our living room so that when you come into the room it's like very Christmas in that room and it wasn't when you went to bed so I guess I guess that's kind of different yeah I didn't really think of that that's cool that's nice yeah I like that um yeah um you always wanted it to be like magical feeling when they walked in yeah um yeah i can't really think anything else now i get an apology right because you said no i said no to what special you said that wasn't special you said i was wrong well no no i just mean i called your tradition weird which makes it unique uh okay well i mean i just don't think nobody else does that surely somebody else surely somebody else I googled Christmas lights on couch, zero results.

Okay, thank you for that again. Whoville living rooms and whoville couches and not even they did. No, it does. Okay, well, it was- You are a unique. All right, I'm officially a snowflake. Okay, thanks for thinking of that, Vaughn. Okay, see you tonight.

No apologies, though? Oh, yes, I'm very, so. Well, I mean, it was, it ended up being my thing that I called Not Special. So it's not like I dissed her. Oh, my gosh. But I'm sorry, how about this? I'm sorry for disagreeing with you. Wow!

I'm sorry, you got your feelings hurt. I'll see you in a bit, and I'll see the couch too. Bye. Yeah, I think you will. Can you put some Christmas lights on it for me? All right, fans, whatever. Up next, different fans. How about another one?

Yeah, hit me. Wrapped up my first internship and realized for the first time that quote-unquote, being a good employee is a skill, need to learn and isn't taught in school other than the basics how do i be a good employee i feel like this will always come across kind of abrasive coming from me because it's been 14 years since i've been an employee i feel like this is one of those ones where i obviously have thoughts on what i felt made me a good employee you know, when I was at NCIX, I obviously have thoughts on what makes a good employee here.

I think there's a lot of different ways that you can approach this. I think you can approach it from like an attitude and culture and fit standpoint. I think that you can get away with a lot in terms of like financial value that you bring to a business. If you like just bring a super can to attitude and you, you know, make the place a great place to work for other members of the team. I think in the same way, you can get away with being kind of a dower shithead if you deliver like huge financial gains for the company. But like in terms of like like skills that you need to learn that aren't taught in school,

like I'm, I don't know. How do you, how do you be a good employee? Yeah, okay, Pancratz is in the chat. He says, give a crap about what you do. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot of it. That's, oh, God, that's, you. The culture side is, like, almost most important, in my opinion.

You can be extremely good at something, but if you're, like, a toxic head, no one's going to want to work with you, and you're going to end up creating a space that is bad and is not very productive and doesn't work very well. So, like, that, and that doesn't mean, don't speak up. This conversation often gets conflated. You should absolutely speak up when, you know, the time is right. if something is is bad you should bring it up ideally you bring it up and raise potential solutions even if you don't necessarily think they're going to happen um even if you don't necessarily think

they're possible just like show that you cared enough to try to think about um helping to solve the problem and if you do have a really good solution than even better um but if you just complain all the time and are a downer to like be around um that's not helpful i mean it's a lot of the things that make you a good person to be around ever yeah yeah yeah it's honestly it's exactly the same skills i'd say being a good employee is the same as being a good friend is the same as being a good spouse is the same as being a good parent is the same as being a good boss and i think that's true if the person you're working for isn't a dinkhole as well yeah that's a major factor is like it takes two to

tango, and I mean that in both a positive and a negative way. Like, it takes two people to have a conflict, and it takes two people to have a harmonious relationship. Like, if someone else is engaging in bad faith, then no amount of you being a positive contributing member of the team who cares about what you do and does all these things that we're saying, no amount of it is going to help, and you just need to get the fuck out of there. Or a negative one.

And sometimes, and sometimes, honestly, that need to just get out is not even necessarily because the other person was a bad person. Sometimes people just are abrasive to each other Or aren't compatible, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so, you know, we're not trying to... You might just not fit in that workspace. We're not trying to judge every situation here at all. Just kind of trying to...

You asked for the basics. Yeah, and it effectively comes down to, like, be good in the relationship. Or exit. Yeah. This one is mostly for Linus. Does your son regret choosing the switch to over any of the computer handhelds since the video?

I asked him this two days ago. I asked like, hey, are you using your switch too much? And he said, no, I actually have not been using it that much. Because part of the deal for this was to help him, like, part of the idea was that it was a gift, obviously, very extravagant gift. Very learning. Privileged gift. But I also think that even in the context of a gift, you can still learn lessons about money management. and what I offered him was a choice of like a hype device knowing that there's going to be an overtime cost associated with it of very expensive first party titles or the uncertain device that at the time the RJ Xbox Ally X was not announced even yet or sort of the devil you know which is actually more expensive up front but that's my burden but you'll have more affordable games

But these are games that you could have just played on your desktop PC anyway. So he had kind of these three choices. And so I resolved when he made the choice of the Switch 2 that I wasn't going to buy games for him. So he has Mario Kart and he has remastered Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom because I wanted those for myself, even though I haven't ended up really like playing any of them. But other than that, I'm not just going to run out and buy games for it. and so we own aces we own whatever the fitness one is

ring fit we own ring fit adventure but other than that you can so yeah he can just play like some switch games that we own and then and then those three like remastered and new console titles and so yeah he hasn't really been using it I didn't actually specifically ask him if he regretted it

he didn't bring that up on his own but I do know that he hasn't been using the switch too much Hey, Dinus Duke and Dan. I recently purchased some somewhat large plastic bins and was surprised by the market price at the size. What is something you thought was inexpensive until you went to buy it? Oh my God, plastic bins, 100%. I was just going to say.

Hell, yeah. Garbage cans? What the hell? What are you talking about? Why is it so freaking expensive? Garbage cans are nuts. I don't get it. When I became an adult, cheese.

I had no idea how much utensils cost until the first time I bought them. I was just like, this is insane. Because I don't know that my family had ever bought them. We always just had a whole drawer of mismatched random stuff. So when Yvonne and I, you know,

moved out and we're adulting for the first time, I wanted matching cutlery. That was just something that felt like a we've made it thing to have to me because I'd never had it in my entire life. and I found out how much matching cutlery cost I was like the fuck it's ridiculous

people can call me Jeep again I've never done it yeah I don't blame you even IKEA it's cheap and those ones suck yeah like they're just they're not like it's like what mouth is this for do Swedish mouths really look like this like I don't understand it I get made fun of my spoons

I um yeah I I remember the garbage can thing. I remember like Emma wanted to buy one. I think I saw the price and like scoffed and was just like, ugh. She's not like valuing the dollar, you know? She hasn't shopped enough. And I went to go look into it. I went to like Canadian tire or something to buy a garbage can. I just, I think I was there for like an hour. They have like half an aisle of garbage can options. My brain was just exploding. I was like, there's no way. This is like this is insane. I must have done something wrong. I went, is this the wrong place?

Let me look at stuff online. Like, did they put the can in the wrong spot? There's no, it's a garbage cat. Why does it cost like $200? Am I in the lawnmower section? Did they swap them? What is happening right now? It just makes no sense.

And it's not like fancy. Yeah, like, look, and I don't think this, I don't know, but I don't think this is like a super fancy brand or anything. It's a Home Depot, all these different places. Simple human garbage can. $240 What are we talking about? It's a metal cube

Why? Oh my goodness The pop-ups Holy Anyways Tape is wildly expensive To me Like masking tape Okay

It's a roll of paper Yeah Like have you seen how much A roll of masking tape costs No Yeah it's like I think last time I was at Home Depot It was like seven or eight dollars

Or something like that Like what the heck When I was running my painting business They were like a buck 50, two bucks Like depending on the thickness I feel like there's a lot of stuff That's like that these days still What are you guys talking about?

What are people talking about? Ram Yeah Yeah RAM Definitely that Might be cheaper to use it to buy your food at this point eat your food Daniel

I'm sorry get some DDR4 my spaghetti okay so part of my problem part of my problem is that I was I was not looking at bulk packs so here you go

here's like some painters blue right $10.37 cents each what the fuck is going on here you can get cheaper ones just like the horrible contractor grade like beige masking tape

is cheap but the like the good stuff for like cutting paint lines is not the cheaper green one in a bulk pack is still what is this a six pack for so that's like still four dollars each which is just yeah more than more than double what I used to pay for it back when I was a painter which I realized was sort of a hot minute ago this is like old man yells at clouds level at this point but I mean literally it was a merge message somebody asked I'm not bringing it up out of nowhere Hi, Lee Luton Tair, D. Lee Lutin Da. Thoughts on companies requiring all employees to learn about agentic AI. I get learning about the uses and risks of agentic AI. What about requiring all know how to develop one? Is anyone actually requiring anyone to know how to develop one? I never heard of that.

That doesn't sound right. Requiring them to use. it I do um I have heard of um what about like maybe maybe a little bit more loose terms like setting one up to do an agent style task that they would have for their workflow oh okay I see what you mean that sounds like you're just following up training yeah just sounds like professional development I think it's uh I I I think that as long as they're not forced to actually use it if it doesn't make sense for them then that's probably fine I mean I don't really mind a company investing in professional development

for the people who work there and I don't see this is really any different from doing a workshop on like getting along with different personality types or any other skill. I feel like I need more details. Hi, LLD. This is Chloe from Malaysia.

I'm buying these for my boyfriend for Christmas. Nice. Question for Linus. Where is your family from originally? My boyfriend's last name is Sebastian 2. Ah, okay. So I actually get into this. Your boyfriend's getting some...

Wow, you got a backpack? All black, silver shaft. Backpack, tech sack, and screwdriver. That's a pretty good Christmas. Hopefully he doesn't watch her as spoilers. Chloe from Mnaysia who had Anonymous as their name. Oh yeah. What's up with that, Chloe from Malaysia,

whose boyfriend's last name is Sebastian? That's so specific. Maybe we shouldn't have said the stuff. I mean, choose to watch. Who put it in there? I don't make the rules. No, I mean... We don't have their last name.

Yeah. That's why it's anonymous. We have one last name. Yes. And they're not married. Their boyfriend, so presumably her last name is not Sebastian yet. They're going to have to keep them. Well, after they open their presence, it might be Chloe Sebastian.

Yeah, I know, right? A damn good presence. So, we're actually going to cover this in the Linus Torvald's collab, but throughout the video, kind of like, you know how I like to point out things I have in common with Taylor Swift? So I played that game with Mr. Torvalds throughout our build. Things that we have in common is that at some point in our lives or other, we've been observed, we've observed that we have rather prominent human beaks. We both obviously have the name Linus.

That was one. And also, we both have kind of bullshit made up last names. Huh. His last name is not, like, a real last name. A member of his family kind of arbitrarily assigned it to themselves. Is that not where they all kind of came from? And that's where they all came? Well, oh, sure.

I mean, at some point, but, like, it's, there's no lineage. Iceland actually has a structure for it. It's your dad's name plus son, I think. But, like, most places are pretty random. But you're a Lafranier, and there's, like, a lineage there. There's, like, you have, like, there's that, there's people named Lafreniere, and there is some, some probability that you are related to them in some way. Sure. Whereas with Torvalds, apparently it is a 100% I am related to this person, because that lineage only goes back to, like, his grandparent.

Oh, this is, like, very recent. Very recent. Okay, I understand. And then, so mine is also, I don't know. It's also made up last name. My, um, my mom changed her last name as part of some sort of, um, some sort of. reasoning that she had for it and then when she married my dad uh he took her name actually um and so that name was passed to me and so i am i am a second generation sebastian as a last

name um so it has nothing to do with where my family's from originally as for where my family's from originally uh on the one side Canada Canadian mutt uh on that side Just, I don't know, I'm pretty sure my great-grandmother had a dowry that involved livestock. Nice. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, just, yeah, Canadian mix. There may be some Canadian, like, native in there somewhere, not enough for any kind of status or anything. Who knows?

Complete mix. And then the other side, and this is awkward, is I'm a quarter Russian and a quarter Ukrainian. so nice yeah so you have some internal conflict very yeah we half of me has been at war for the last few years um it's it's it's been rough it's been rough up next hello lDP um sure thoughts on data center sprawl oh hold on uh cori g asks did linus do a test kit no so everything that i just said might be complete nonsense because I'm counting on my family to have told me because there is no way that I would do one of those ancestry tests. Nice.

Hello, LDP. Thoughts on the new data center sprawl. Just came back from Indiana helping the data center team there and locals are not jazzed about giant data centers plopped in the middle of farmland. Understandable. Understandable. I don't understand how the, it's so funny because there was a lot of like, hand-wringing over how electric vehicles were going to overburden the grid.

But, like, this is, this is on a completely different level. And in some cases, like you said, like in the middle of nowhere sometimes, because they're just looking for basically, as far as I can tell, anywhere where there's power and then putting down these giant facilities that realistically don't employ that many people, which kind of blows, even though it's like high-tech, you know, industry moving in, and then just like sucking up all the power

I yeah 100% or in some cases just like expelling emissions you know I feel like this how I feel like taxes you know I pay my taxes I pay a lot of taxes I don't mind as long as

that's being used for something useful like I um we have an amd ultimate tech upgrade coming up i don't i don't know if we've talked about this but one of one of our team members was actually diagnosed with stage three cancer a little while ago and um i shouldn't say a little while ago it was quite a while ago now and we finally got to do their amd ultimate tech upgrade because they're finally back to work and feeling up to you know being on camera and and it was it was a really exciting like really happy

AMD ultimate tech upgrade and you know one of the one of the things that I take a lot of you know pride in both personally and this this may be very surprising to some of the people watching

who are from you know other parts of the world but as a Canadian as well something that I take a lot of national pride in is our socialized health care. It is not perfect. And that is the very first thing that I will say about it. I don't know of one that is. I don't know of any healthcare system that is perfect and neither is ours. But what I do know is that our team member was diagnosed with stage three cancer and was able to be treated without out of pocket expense for the most part. And like, you know,

there was some things, especially incidental things. And, and, you know, I also take great pride. So he mentioned that, and this is all on camera, this is all coming, but he mentioned that there was like an anti-nause medication that was $50 a pill or something like that. And I was like, oh, but like, sorry, was that out of pocket? And he goes, well, it was 90% covered by LMG's coverage. And I'm like, and I only needed like a dozen of them. And I was like, okay, okay, okay, okay, you know what? That's good to know. So like, are there still costs? Yes. Let me repeat. I pay a lot. of taxes we pay for it all but you know when I when I see it in action I don't mind that I don't like to see it wasted and a lot of it does get wasted there's a ton of that yeah there's a ton

of waste and and I and I hate that but I also don't know of a system that doesn't have a ton of waste yeah so I guess I have the same thoughts on data centers right like if it's doing something really useful and benefiting humanity we're doing aerodynamics research for a new generation of more efficient vehicles or we're doing whatever right like sure yeah I'm super to it. We're, I don't know, we're generating seahorse emojis. I guess I'm not as, I'm not as jazzed on what they're doing right now. Yeah, so. Yeah, dude. So my feelings are mixed. My feelings are mixed. Let's go. Honestly, how has Apple escaped prosecution? The browser, locking alone with Safari on iOS fundamentally destroyed web apps for over a decade. They make 90s Microsoft look like

petty shoplifters. There's a lot of that. Microsoft has a dollar sign in the middle of it, even though the S also kind of looks like a dollar sign. I don't know either. I haven't been able to figure it out, and it seems like I felt like alongside many of you, sort of like the emperor has no clothes for a long time.

Like when the whole epic lawsuit thing happened, I was like, oh yes, this is very obvious. surely this will be very obvious to everyone that this is this is antitrust and this is non-competitive behavior but people would do anything to shield the trillion dollar company from criticism and it i don't understand it if something is bad when microsoft does it then it's bad when apple does it it's that simple and we can't let our tribalism and our loyalties get in the way of that but we do we allow it, and I don't get it. I don't get it either. I'm sorry.

I got nothing. I could use some more abrasion-resistant slash rip-stop stuff for hiking and fishing. Are there any NICO fabric items in the works? I don't know what that is. NICO. I'm a look it up. Just because I don't know the terminology doesn't necessarily mean we aren't doing anything with it.

okay high performance lubricants that's no my that's a result nylon cotton oh

not that I know of right now yeah let's go with a not that I know of right now sorry but hey enjoy your screensaver party shirt g'day LD

I assume that's a lowercase L. It's an I. You can't prove it. I mean, I can do something. Yeah. Oh, you know what? No, I think I can. I think I can analyze this.

Hold on a second. You can. There's an L in thermal. Later on the same sentence, you can see a lowercase L. That's not going to help us. The Google font. How's that going to help us? Because it looks the same.

well yeah but so does the top height of the L and the D is higher as far as I can tell us Hold on I'm gonna copy and paste it No no you have to copy paste it into Google Docs and then do the case change thing Yeah yeah yeah There we go I put it in a font checker

It is a lowercase L Called it Look at you This is he does words professionally I believe I think I am the lowercase L I assume because I'm small I think that was I think that was the idea bit L D and small L currently working on a cube set thermal management systems

wait wait wait how come he gets to be big D I want to be big D no we all know as I don't have to be little PeeP we all know your big D no yeah no we don't all right sorry I was giving you a narcissist control Currently working on a CubeSat thermal management systems for my degree. What do you see as a big challenge in tech progress?

For example, transistor density size, thermal power requirements, etc. Yes. That's an annoying answer, but a very good one. Those are all big problems. I mean, transistor sizes have been... Yet another video that we have coming is going to... It's going to be about how GPU prices are not Nvidia's fault, at least not entirely. And it's going to be a piece on like, hey, yes, invidia has contributed in these ways.

But also, have you heard of a little company called TSM? Here is what we can glean from publicly available information about how their actions have impacted invidia's profitability and NVIDIA's. and NVIDIA's costs, and if you thought that they were the big bad, well, guess what? You're wrong, because there's another monopoly above them called ASML. Let's talk about them. It's going to be cool. Yeah, it'll be chill.

Hello, DLL. Question for Luke. If you couldn't keep any birds, would you keep any other pet? What do you think? How is this a... What? You're going to finally let us know? No, he wouldn't.

What? He'd have a dog. Yeah. Only one? Oh, that's a good question. No. There's no way you do two dogs. What about two really small dogs that you could like...

Yeah, he'd want to be doing. No. He'd want a big dog. Good answer. I will continue working here. Okay, next merch message. Hello, Linus. Luke and Dan.

I got my way in hoodie today, I'm absolutely loving it. Heck yeah. With HBC, I believe that's the Hudson's Bay Company in liquidation, would you be willing to license the HBC pattern for clothing and accessory products? There is no way I'd be able to afford it. There's no way. That trademark has to be like millions of millions.

I have been very, very lucky, very blessed. I've, you know, worked a lot, and I've managed to, as Luke puts it, become quite wealthy. fucking guy I'll never forget that comment I will I will never you just like drop that

however in the grand scheme of things like I still come to work every day I am I am not like a like an own global brands

level of wealthy I could do that and be quite wealthy I could do which what you're describing Oh like come to work every day Not own global brands Oh yeah

No that's true But I'm not that level I'm like not even close To even being able to To make any kind of reasonable offer Like it's not even Yeah That's a crazy thing

That might be difficult for non-Canadians Understand but if you look it up It's like a thing What I was gonna say There's this whole thing I heard about I don't know if this is legit or not But like on average The wealthiest person in like

middle-sized towns is the person who owns the concrete plant. Really? Apparently, because like, oftentimes those places... It's like shit metal too, right? Yeah, it's stuff like that. It's like local supplies for building. Because if you're in a... Every building's got to have concrete.

You can't ship it very far. There's probably just the one company. Yeah, can't get it from China. You can't get it from the next day. Price gouch pretty hard. And if there's any interest in the town growing, then they're only going to use you and it goes into freaking everything yeah and you already have to exist because you need to buy the aggregates in just obscene quantities of scale what who's going to start up a concrete

business and buy an entire train of rocks do you know right right yeah to be competitive yeah the moat is just the sheer volume of stuff that you have to build and it has to be you will have existing relationships now with yeah everyone who builds things literally everyone yeah and you You can't keep it. It doesn't keep. You know, you gotta make it and send it in a truck.

Crazy. It's, it's like, it's interesting. I think glass is another one. Like, basically all, like,

big building materials that shipping is super annoying for. Believe it or not, like, styrofoam. That kind of makes sense. Unbelievably expensive to ship just because it's large.

PC Archive in float plane chat says, I live by a concrete factory, in southern Indiana in a tiny town they have their own railroad exactly

I wasn't joking about buying a train of rocks yeah because it has to be specific rocks that's why you can't like build skyscrapers in in like Dubai very well

because it's desert sand and it has to be river sand and like I need like quarter inch clear crush I think you mean blood sand yeah sure it's like it's

Yeah, that's wild. And you got to grease palms for the illegal sand trade. Because they dig up rivers that they're not allowed to so that they can get the sand for the concrete. And there's like murder and stuff. Do you not know about this? No, it's crazy. No, blood sand is like not even a joke. Yeah.

Why? This dude. Because it has to have a global shortage of sand. I have heard of that. And so there's like illegal sand mining. Because it's got to be like smooth. It can't be. No, no, it has to be jagged.

It has to be jagged. It can't be rounded. The wind in the desert like smooths it out and so it just falls apart and it's useless. Yeah. It's crazy.

And it's too expensive to make sand. Because concrete has to cost nothing. It's like, it's wild. Because we need, the volume of it that we need for construction is crazy.

That's interesting. It's awesome. It's like logistics. That's what I kind of meant by like you can still be immensely wealthy and apparently own a train and the tracks.

and again with like the sheet metal stuff too you know uh sheet metal is a huge one yeah a hundred percent custom most of the time and you're not going to like ship it across states right ideally not the styro one is interesting i never thought about that but it makes sense so i did a case study of volumetric weight i did a case study of anvils versus ping pong balls and it's pretty traditional like if you're doing like train logistics case studies uh which one is it's like people do yeah yeah if you're going to school for it linus yeah just obviously like like someone would like someone would yes um volume versus weight you know styrofoam blocks pin pong balls they don't really fit well together they can take up an entire train car and there's they're kind of like

not a very good thing to ship and then same with the anvils they're like unbelievably dense oh wow what am i going to get my tungsten in cube kind of thing you know yeah yeah same with sheet metal same with like aggregates and stuff like that oh i remember noticing um this was like many years ago i remember being surprised how few power supplies there were in like a 40 foot container and i was like oh yeah right because they could they can't stack it all the way up because that would be they would crush the stuff at the bottom yeah yep um and i mean uh like that's why we were kind of talking about those plastic bins there earlier yeah that's why they're so expensive yeah just because they're large it's because you're shipping around mostly air

Can. Mostly air. Very expensive to ship air. I like transport. It's fun. We just need more extremely large format 3D printers. So I can then just print a garbage can. But what's your take on SIS Sport?

And should they be separated? I'm just kidding. We're not doing that. He said he likes transport. Oh my God. I'm just moving. on. Evil Fuzzy Bunny says no.

When the evil Fuzzy Bunny is telling you no, it's time to move on. I mean, I gotta ding it, but like I don't wanna. Oh, yeah, that actively gave me a headache. Nice. Sick. All right, next one. Oh, I'm going at me. Good.

Oh, the back. For how long? Good Lord. Who knows? Why did you make the WAN show so long? You said it's going to be a light one. I'm going to just start screaming at you every single time. All right, I'll take that one.

That's fair enough. I mean, look, if my controversy is going to be five hours into the WAN show, there's no way that anybody actually sees it anyway. It should be fine. There's only 8,000 people watching over on YouTube. You can clip YouTube videos. People don't seem to know this, which is very strange to me. You can clip YouTube videos.

Yeah. No, it shows up in my dashboard if people clip stuff. Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know why people don't know that, but... I don't know. Whatever. I think they just don't care. Because most of the controversial people used to be on Twitch,

and then now it's mostly like on kick and stuff, right? I don't know, probably. Didn't that streamer get arrested? Yeah. Jack, whatever, Doordy? No idea. Doody? Yep, sure. Yeah.

Yep. Wild. Very silly. Yeah. Didn't that, isn't that David guy finally a suspect, too? Speaking of just like famous people No idea Just like

Yeah yeah the Tesla guy Tragic Okay Well not that he's a suspect That's good Right Yeah but the whole situation Very tragic

Sure Next one Um Hello WANDOT DLL I remember a few years Sorry he's answering Remember a few years ago When you had mentioned

You were trying to move Creator warehouse products To not use any plastic packaging Has there been updates on that Actually It's been some progress Yeah well sort of of one update that I have

is I just got a bunch of shirts from the store and they're all in plastic bags so thank you for reminding me to send an irate email to be clear there may be a very good reason not every supplier is able to source them and not every product is ultimately compatible with non-plastic

bags like for instance the backpack still to this day ships with an inflated plastic cushion in it because if we didn't put that there then there would be so much loss in backpacks that we can sell due to them being crushed and deformed, which customers do not want, which, like, you know, personally, I wish it weren't that way, but I can't change that customers aren't going to want it, that it would be more wasteful than if we just put

bags in all of them. So there's, and then, like, there's certain products that are going to sit on a ship for so long, out on the ocean for so long that if we don't put a plastic bag on them, they will be damaged or degraded in some way. So there's no getting away from it completely. But I did think that our shirts were in glassene bags before, and I see them in plastic bags now, so I need to kind of figure out what's going on with that. Hi, LLD. How is the Corolla experiment with a comma 3X with open pilot going? As someone who drives almost 1,000 kilometers a week, this technology fascinates me. Oh my God, that is so many kilometers.

Can you imagine? Crap. I was making a joke to Riley earlier about walking to Toronto to get an answer for somebody who's off work at this time. And that's 5,000 kilometers. So... Wait, a thousand kilometers a week? That's not that much, is it? It feels like a lot.

It feels a lot to me, I guess. But honestly, that's like, if it's 100 kilometers back and forth to Vancouver. $50,000 a year. Like, hold on a second. It's like standard for most people having a commute, right? Hold on, I'm going to, I'm not going to show a screen. But I do not drive much. 100 kilometer commute.

So that would be like commuting to Chilliwack and back every day. Maybe more. So my old commute to NCIX was 37 kilometers. Times two. yeah times two which is 70 a day times seven days a week is about 500 a week and that wasn't like that's assuming you're commuting to nzx on the weekend uh oh did i say sorry did i say seven well i definitely drove around on the weekend like it definitely went so yeah i was being like 500 a week on the i could see it being yes but that wasn't like the craziest commute it was only about half like 35 minutes or

something like that like people do longer commutes than that i just mean like people do longer commutes that aren't necessarily that much more distance so So if I'm in, if I'm in Abbotsford, like say like downtown Abbotsford or Chilliwack, if I'm in Chilliwack and commuting to downtown Vancouver. Yeah, you'd easily do a thousand kilometers a week. That is 200 kilometers a day. Yeah. And that's a thousand a week. So that's just like a long commute.

Yeah, that's a long commute, though. It's a fair bit of driving. That's true. That's true. It's doable, but that is a long commute. So this person has to drive a lot. They have a long commute. Mixed bag.

for the use case of like exactly what Dan said you know from Chilliwack to Vancouver and just like highway numbness highway numbness lots of it really great sometimes so the the previous software update that I was on was like freaking awesome like literally made my brain feel like I had more energy when I wasn't driving because I hadn't used so much of my limited energy every day thinking about things on driving on the highway and it was actually really really fortunate timing because normally I don't do a ton of highway driving I just commute to work and go to badminton but I just happened to have to go all the way out to Abbotsford for a volleyball game for my son and then I just happened to have to go

somewhere really far away for another reason and then it happened to have to do it again I was like oh this is actually great because I just switched to this thing and I really wanted to get some really solid impressions of it and it was awesome and then I got a new update and lately I haven't checked if there's a new one in the last few days so maybe there's a new new one but the one that I had a week ago

I can't get it to go to full speed so I'll set it to I'll be in a 60 zone kilometers which here in specifically the Vancouver area of British Columbia means that nobody drives 60 everybody drives anywhere from 70 to 80 So I'll set it to like 70 And I'll be driving like 55 And people are like mad And it won't accelerate anymore When I'm in the experimental mode

Which has red light recognition In the non-experimental mode The speed attainment is better But it doesn't have red light recognition So I just like I can't have the best of both worlds That I had on the previous update So what's cool about it is when it works well It works like so well

It's like life changing if you drive that much when it's not but you're at the mercy of software updates just like any system like this so it's been a mixed bag so far apparently after our video we like wiped out all of their stock by the way really yeah i was chatting with um the visitor that i had earlier this week uh who was chatting with someone from there apparently or heard some from someone He he joked with me because he's been LTTed before. Like his site's been love-hugged and his stock has just been wiped out for months by stuff that we've done in the past. And apparently it happened with them is what I heard.

That's pretty epic. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Just casual LTT things. Linus, did Linus make fun of you for nuking your popOS install? And will you ever do another switching to Linux video series? No, he didn't at all. fact, he, he, he fully acknowledged that Linux is quite breakable and imperfect and he was very pragmatic and not defensive at all about, of, of, of, of Linux. Very, very cool. But

remember, he's Linux kernel. Not major. Not lieutenant. When you pause for so long, those are my favorite. Um, and so he, he doesn't, he doesn't have an emotion. attachment necessarily to the operating systems attached to the kernel. As for, is it time? Yeah, it's absolutely time. It's time. I'm going to start with my living, or my family room PC. So I'm building myself a steam machine before general availability of the steam machine.

And we're going to go from there. I'm finally doing it. I'm building that steam machine. And I'm like so excited. It's going to be my favorite computer, I think. Heck yeah. That's exciting. We've got a float plane one here.

How many nines is floatplane? Oh. How much would it take to add another nine? How much would you save if you dropped just one nine? Yeah, nine percent uptime. Yeah, we're dropping one nine wouldn't put us to nine percent. I'm pretty sure we're pretty solid. Not even close.

Yeah, we are. We used to track this. There was an era where it was very important to Linus. Well, there was an era where it used to go down more. That's true. It's only not important to me because it's better than, cloud player well we got to the point where we were actually beating some like extremely major platforms and then stopped kind of tracking it so much but yeah um the the team has done a fantastic

job at increasing that and then it stopped being something we like cared yeah it's like my like my wife stopped tracking how often i can get it up once it was like you know enough you know is it is the mark we only had that tracker for a while success of it being enough like the the kids running around. Anyways, yeah, and it's really strong right now. I should probably praise the team more for that more often. How many nines is it? I actually don't know anymore, but it's really good.

How much would we save if we dropped a nine? We wouldn't. Yeah, I don't. Well, it would be down more, and that means you would save on bandwidth. So if we, like, couldn't do most of the WAN shows. on FloBlain. The Wancho specifically

we would save a lot of money by it being down. If we had a four hour outage every Friday at like 5.30 p.m. Yeah, you can only do like a half hour right at the end. We would save a measurable amount of money. Oh no, Flooplay went down

after the pre-show. But yeah, for the most part, like a lot of these services, this is one of the reasons like tying back to the conversation earlier, like you don't buy a certain amount of nines from Cloudflare. I mean, you kind of do,

but also like, but it's enough. And you can't like scale it down. Yeah, you can't be like I'd like a less reliable service, please. Yeah, like not really. Like it's their own reputation and their own personal pride because they know that the shit's going to roll up a hill if you have an outage. And there's a lot of like skill and ability from the team, but we can't make the team smaller.

Trust me, don't try. So, yeah. It would probably be harder to try and make something less reliable. No. Because there's a lot of stuff Like on our team Oh my voice crack nice There's a lot of stuff on our team

That is obviously contributing towards it Being much more stable Yeah I've seen some of the tools It's like you don't even have to think about it And it just fixes itself Jonathan's done some Fucking wizardry dude The stuff that I've seen

It's pretty safe If I ever get poached And By the foreplay It is a different comfort So how did the, how did the flip plane work, Dan? I don't know. It looked cool, though.

I see what you mean. Yeah, there's some really sick stuff there. So, like, in the, within our control, there's obviously things we could do to make it worse. Got a couple more here. Hey, Linus. Will the steam frame support lighthouse full body trackers when using the new wireless inside-out headset? Basically, can it replace an index while keeping base station full? body tracking. Hi. I am the developer of a tool called Space Calibrator, and I was watching this

WAN show video about the newly announced Valve hardware and saw you would like to try base station tracking with the Steamframe once you had one in hand. I'd like to be able to get in contact with you, so you have a line of contact with the developer of Space Calibrator so that should you encounter issues while setting it up, I can provide guidance. Six. Hell, yes. Heckie. So apparently there is a way to do it. Haven't tried it yet. Don't have a steam frame yet, but I'm in touch with hecky, and apparently they know. Heck yeah, hecky. Heck yeah.

Let's do it. Man, maybe I don't get the big screen beyond. I don't know what to do. I just, you can go to Luke's house and try them both. I was going to say, I'm almost certainly going to buy a frame. Or to my house and try them both. Yeah. Do you have the two?

If only there was some way for you to have access to this hardware in order to. interacting with another person absolutely not yuck oh hey the L L L and L and Linus and Luke what was the

moment you knew that working with the other one was the right choice there were times when I didn't feel like it was a choice but it felt like the right thing to do like we've had our ups and downs which we've like we've talked about like we've we've been angry at each other

we've cried we've like we've I think if you have a 10 year relationship that was always easy it probably wasn't that deep I suspect that's true you know and it's also a lot more than 10 years at this point I know which is really weird to like even think about.

I know. We had a discussion recently that in not all that many years, we will have been working together for half of my lifespan. We're not there yet. There's some years to go. Yeah. But it's not as many years as you would think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I wonder if I've been playing Minecraft more now for longer than I haven't been playing Minecraft. This is, these types of things. They hurt my life. These questions I find very interesting. Yvonne and I crossed the threshold a while ago. Yep. we're yeah and the the weird part is when you realize that it's hard to remember not uh-huh yeah like

i i remember when i used to talk about how i have had a ton of jobs and now i don't say that anymore i remember because for my age it's no longer true things right so it's gotten to the point where i don't really you can't trust the memory anymore when that's the case yes i don't i don't remember it i remember the remembering of I have multiple things like that. Yeah. Yeah. When did we know, when did we know it was right?

I don't know. I mean, that. It's been good for a long time. But also, you know, like we had a, we had a misunderstanding a couple of weeks ago. I thought I dealt with that pretty okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you did. Did you only scream a little? No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no. Didn't scream at all. I think over time, Luke and I have both gotten better at communicating in general. I think we've both gotten more, I think we've both become better listeners. I think that we've both reached a point where we understand each other a lot better. Like, I think I got there first in terms of like living in Luke's head. But I think that he lives in my head in a really big way now too. So we kind of like, we have a pretty good idea of how to approach things with each other.

and like what's going to set the other one make the other one bristle a little you know like we i don't know yeah i'd say i'm this is kind of a cop-out answer but i'd say that every day is a new realization that it's the right choice and that's what makes it the right choice cute thanks uh i think there was there was two there was like major stages for me I think the Denny's Night I've told that story like a million times was a really big one for me

I like can't even understate that's so funny because like it's a funny memory for me and I totally remember it not just remembering remember it I remember that but it was like

it wasn't like when I decided or anything I was just I was already pretty locked in but there was a certain amount of like yeah we're actually going to do this. That was like, and it doesn't matter. And maybe we'll have to go back into the kitchen to get the plates. But like, we're going to make this thing happen. There was a level of confidence that was instilled in that moment of like,

things are going to get bad every now and then and we'll figure it out. And it was clear that we would both do weird stuff. Yes. To just get something done. Yeah. Yeah, for those of you not familiar with the story, Luke and I, I was driving him home because we had been, we'd stayed at work so long together getting NCIX Tech Tips filmed that the buses were no longer running.

This was true many hours ago. Many times. Yeah. But this one was pretty late. Yeah, it was like very late. I think it was like three, four in the morning. Something like that. And so I was driving him home and I was, one of us was like we should get food because

I don't remember who, but yeah. I don't think we'd probably eaten. In a long time. And, um, we ordered. our food and the waitress fell asleep and we could see that she was asleep and we could see that our food was up and instead of waking her we decided together to go and fetch the food and bring it to the table ourselves and not disturb her because she seemed like she needed the rest more than we needed her to go bring us our food but i think it was just the moment of like

it's that late that even like denny's is asleep yeah where it was like all right yeah i don't know were in this um then there was another time where there was a very large amount of people that were relatively not the most influential but relatively influential in my life that were pushing me to like split and do my own thing and it was tempting but i like thought about it for a long time and then was like nah and it wasn't long after that where it was you me and a vaugh in a car i don't remember where we're going or what we're doing but i told you guys like i'm in don't worry about it basically and those times were like very close to each other right and that was where i was just like all right that's it i had the deep thought i had the external pushes and i was

like nah and then yeah there it is yeah and uh i i i see no reason for for us to rethink any of that at this point i um yeah i i really i we're very lucky uh actually uh actually in that sense because i like a lot of stars had to align for us to kind of meet that early in our careers and um you can't take that for granted like i could have just as easily hired someone completely different right at the beginning that would have been a total sort of disaster um you know luke could have just as easily applied for a real job or it could have worked really well and been stuck in somewhere dead end or who knows my well i you know what no for you maybe you could have been like colossally successful to another level but for me I don't think that that's

the case like I'm not going to give you credit for the success of the company but what I will say is that I with fairly close to 100% certainty would not have achieved better without you that I can say I can't say that about you I think you might have achieved greater wealth or personal influence without me. There's some potential thoughts there, like the, something that I've kind of tried to do the math on is like the other opportunity that I had at the time. If I went with that and then considering the like starting wage was twice as higher, whatever, and then tracked how that might have progressed over time and the fact that it was

that much higher. So at the beginning compounding, being able to get into housing earlier, whatever it was. Like there's certain things that might have been really. nice about that. There's also like there have been interesting, I haven't taken them, but interesting opportunities that have arisen, but part of that. Which I'm not finding out about now. Like we talk about things. Yeah. Part of that has to be factored in that public persona is why people have found these things. It's not necessarily the public persona that has been attractive. And we wouldn't, you know, the same college basketball, you know, we're not

asking people to work for exposure. But we also can't completely ignore it. There is significant benefits to it. In year 2025, having recognizability and a personal brand and a following is the difference between getting in front of someone for an interview and being filtered out by an AI hiring agent. For real, though. So, yeah, I don't know.

It's hard to... So I have no idea. where it would end up, but I think I would have done okay. And like even, you know, and like, look, the thing is like, Luke and I have talked about this before. We may not work together forever. And if we don't, then we've committed to still be friends and not let that destroy the relationship, right?

We've done a lot. We've seen the world together. We've built something together. You can't undo that, right? And so, you know, one of the things, we've talked about is that like and right and so something to consider is that that effect may not be done yet that effect of the exposure of what you've built here and what you've done here and you know the audience and the recognition and the connections and everything there could be

another level of connection that could still be made and there could be an offer someday that he couldn't say no to and i would it's unlikely i'm pretty all right I know. I know. I know. But like there could be and, you know, I have committed that that would not be the end, right? Like, that's, I hope not. I really enjoy working with people that I enjoy working with, which sounds like a recursive sentence, but, but it's so true. It is legitimate, though. It is life changing. You spend so many of your waking hours at work. Well, this is why so many of the questions that come in that are like, you know, there was that one earlier in the show, which was like, how do you be a good employee? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, man, like, don't be such a drag to work with. Like, honestly, getting to neutral is like 80, 90% of the battle. It's actually amazing.

And if you can inject positive energy into a room when you walk into it, wow. Wow. That's great, man. Yeah. um what was i going to say there's um oh shoot oh right yeah i think the the influence on the beginning thing like the channel already existed it was at around if i remember correctly it was at around 80,000 when i joined yeah um i don't know the exact number but it was around there um i think it might have been like 79 uh but i just think 80 um by the time we split off it was

200 and something 250 or something no far less than you'd think oh the those badges yeah think they're oh wait yes no you're right you're right no i think it was 220 or so okay sure i thought it was 200 something yeah um and i think a lot of that was us together agreeing to try to do six or whatever it was back in the day and then those crazy nights making sure that we filmed enough videos to stuff the channel I think we were doing daily already, actually, because my, oh, maybe there was a gap there. There was a significant gap. Because I think I wasn't getting resources. There was a significant gap.

I know that my bonus wouldn't be fulfilled unless I uploaded more than daily for LTT. Yeah, it was 45. I could do up to 45 a month, if I recall correctly. So I would do videos unboxing a Toblerone bar that I got for Christmas. Like, it was, it was sort of pathetic. Yeah, I know there was, I know there was a period of mass uploads when I joined it was not. Right. Okay. I don't remember, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, is remembering memories, which is 15 years ago. Yeah. So it's, so it's, we're getting into, like, dangerously long ago territory. Yes. Um, I mean, there's, there's, there's, I couldn't remember to put a warranty on my backpacks. So what do I know. You did eventually

Yeah I don't know It's been It's been a time All right I've got one more for you Hit me First time live buyer from Spain

I'm just doxing themselves today Welcome Kid decided to wake up at 6 a.m I'm sorry to hear that So I'm here Linus So do your kids still wake you up during the night

Give me hope no they don't but it takes the discipline of putting them to bed in their own room and not letting them come crawl into your bed in the middle of the night unless they are very sick i can count on both hands the number of times that a non-infant child has slept in our bed it's just not a thing that my kids do our bed is our bed and where we do our bed stuff and i can't do that with a kid in it you're not that kind of YouTuber oh Okay, thanks for watching, see you in next week, same bad time, same bad channel Bye Oh my god We're politicians Most of them You know,