The WAN Show - They Should Have Bought A Hard Drive - WAN Show August 14, 2026

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Hey, what's up everyone? And welcome to the WAND show. I got myself a birthday present today. And I'm going to talk about it. What is the guy with a fire truck to get himself for his birthday? A robot. Okay.

In other news... That makes sense. Luke was right again. Oh, no. A PBS station in St. Louis has lost 70 years. of archives after a cloud storage reseller shuts down. Luke warned you, and we'll be talking about that later as well. What else we got?

Did I? Yeah, you did, many times. Oh, nice. Hell yeah. I don't know. Where's the other one that was good? You took the PBS one that I wanted to use. New Mexico judge orders meta pay nearly a billion dollars.

Do we finally have like fees for companies that will actually, impact them that aren't coming from the EU? Maybe. Possibly. I'm not getting my hopes up. Me neither. Which other thing do we want to talk about? You know, you have the entire time before the show starts to pick one.

I didn't think you were going to take the PBS one. I don't know why I thought that, but I didn't think you're going to. I always try to pick the one you're going to pick. Yeah, but I didn't think you'd think I would pick that one. Man, we're getting into some mind games on these now. This one's kind of funny. whatever. G-Force Now exploit lets you access full Windows desktop through a simple file swap, and a modder runs local AI models on the ultimate tier with 48 gigs of e-ram and no restrictions,

which is actually just kind of funny, in my opinion. Based. The show is brought you today by Vessie, along with Whisperflow, X-square, and H-Refs. Well, with, of course, a rap, courtesy of our rap partner, D-brand, a chair, courtesy of our chair partner, oh goodness, I have a t-shirt in front of it, Razor, and our laptops, also courtesy of Razor. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic of today,

which is that Luke warned! When the cloud was happening, Luke said, he came down from on high, and he spaketh such that on-prem will always have a place. Yeah. And a St. Louis public broadcaster

learned this the hard way. they lost access to 50 terabytes of archival material after their cloud storage provider, OSS, shut down without notice. After losing access to their data, 9 PBS discovered that the OSS website was offline, and the company was listed as delinquent by the Colorado Secretary of State. 9 PBS learned that the defunct storage provider was reselling Iron Mountain services, and 9 PBS has sent a demand letter to preserve its data and to pay any reasonable costs associated with its demand. But as 9 PBS wasn't Iron Mountain's customer,

they actually, it turns out, can't just hand over the data. That makes sense. That's so annoying, but that makes sense. The full story is a convoluted mess. Dan, can we put in the link to Gizmodo in the chat? Because you guys can read all about it there. It's a fascinating rabbit hole. But really I'm only bringing this up because what I want to talk about was how much Luke, and actually I also, but it's just, you know, nicer to point out your co-host's role in it.

I think that's why I was confused. It was like, what do you mean? How both of us were talking about this for so many years. Like from the beginning. That while there are good things about the cloud, there are also massive problems because the second you don't own your infrastructure, you can lose it. It can be just gone.

The cloud is just someone else's computer. The craziest part of this that kills me the most is it was just 50 terabytes. Like, they could back up 50 terabytes these days with literally, like, four drives in a consumer little Q-NAP NAS or something. like actually though it's actually

depressing how solvable that is you don't need an IT department but you know what the funny thing is I had um was it dinner yeah yeah I had dinner with Pancratz a couple of weeks ago just because like I feel like he's worked here like a year and I had never actually like

had a meal with him it's only been a year I know right he feels like he's been a fixture but anyway what I had dinner with Pankrats and I was talking about his past life and like you, he used to work providing IT solutions for like small local businesses. His was like through a company, whereas I think you were just like freelance, right?

Yeah. But he was talking about how how different that world is compared to the high tech world. And, you know, he was talking about how like there was like an auto mechanic or something that he was doing work for. and the guy was just kind of shooting the breeze with them and they were going through a bill and buddies basically just like, yeah, so I guess I just like have to pay this because I don't understand any of it

which is really uncomfortable for me because when it comes to something mechanical I can look at every O ring, every washer, every nut, every bolt and I know what all of it is and I understand the necessity of it for my business. But when I look at these IT services, I literally don't know what, any of this is and I don't understand if I'm being charged a fair rate so hey don't fuck me basically right and

a guy like pancrats I'm sure he never wrote an unfair bill in his life yeah even if he could but there's a but there's a lot of opportunity there and so you know you and I look at this and we go wow look how solvable that is they could have just bought four hard drives and you know just set up a one of the ways that this is solvable in my opinion and is through things like what you just described. But that relies on them finding someone trustworthy, who isn't going to oversell them something they don't need. So why do people end up going with the cloud?

Because there's transparent pricing. It looks credible. It's like it's low fees, like low monthly fees, which is a lot of businesses. And you know what, let's face it. Like public broadcasters don't have unlimited money. So even though they're, you know, not, small business in the sense that you might think of as, you know, a mom and pop candy store or

something. They have a finite budget. So just buying infrastructure up front all at once is not necessarily feasible. Yeah, the, the, the, the CAPX versus OPEX thing, the CAPX is like, oh, I have to buy, okay, with your example, I have to buy this QNAP thing, and I have to buy three right now, very expensive hard drives. Yeah. That's still a decent amount of cash, especially if you're, you know, as far as my understanding goes, these like smaller kind of local TV stations aren't making a crazy amount of money right now. Yeah, or I mean. Or anything.

Yeah. So it's a little bit of a tough world. But you can try to communicate the, the potential savings of that. We're going through this right now where like I was actually, we should just talk about it. Why don't we just talk about it? We can a little bit. Yeah. Sure.

We're becoming an ISP apparently, which maybe. Luke has given me no further clarity on. No, no. This is an AJ project. Okay. So it'll be, it'll be most of the clarity would come from talking to him because we're still kind of mapping it out. I'm still honestly understanding even what's happening. But there's a lot of stuff going on.

You guys are aware of, you know, RAM price increases, everything hardware price increases, hard drive prices increasing. The price of almost everything is going up largely because almost every company is, involved in the manufacturing of stuff that you would use in your computer can also be involved in the manufacturing for things in a data center. Yeah. And it's even affecting, we talked about this last week on WAN show. It's even affecting things like the timeline for our battery bank product. The ICs that we need, I think particularly the Buck Boost. You can correct things I say wrong. They are, they're back ordered by something like 44 weeks or something like that.

the current lead time for us to order the like buck boost converters or whatever the there's a particular component that has a super long lead time on it. So yeah so. So anyways, there's a lot of different things going on. Like one, we got news earlier this week that one of the services that we use wants to

increase our bill for the next year. And this is the whole company, not a flow plane thing at all. Yeah. Okay, so you're talking at a scale that like hurts. 20% increase of bill. there's lots of other things going up right now because what's basically happening is most of these services like you you feel the pain your thing you're interested in computers the price of it is going up

at a company level you know laptops your your device that you use at the company cost of that probably going up any servers infrastructure etc things that they use at a company level probably going up in cost, therefore their service cost is going up as well. So the amount that we pay as a company for these external services is going up. The reason why I attach that to this is because a cloud provider is likely going to have cost increases. OVH has been talking about cost increases. Let's see here, if I can bring this up. For context, OVH is a pretty cool hosting option that has been very affordable over the years and actually pretty cool for us to work with over the years. Pretty good partner for us to work with.

And 87% price hikes. Yeah. And to be clear, I don't even necessarily blame OVH for this. No. Well, you can't. I'm seeing this happen everywhere. OVH didn't decide decades ago to have Homer Simpson work at a nuclear power plant, which apparently did contribute significantly to people's perception of the safety of

nuclear power. Because he couldn't screw it up? And because all, no, because all the problems. And the way Mr. Burns runs it and stuff. Oh, my God. I have read that incredible places, which is like, wild. And so that's part of why nuclear power did not just, because like, it's just kind of obvious.

That's why it didn't just go to the moon. That's nuts. Anyways. Yeah. Anyway. Cost everywhere are going up. Sorry, sorry, Arion. It's pronounced nuclear.

Nuclear. Nice. Nuclear. Different places of different ways of different ways of pronouncing things. No, no, it's a joke from the Simpsons. Oh, okay. Sounds good.

He corrects Lisa's pronunciation. Honey, it's pronounced nuclear. Anyway, carry on. Cost everywhere are going up. And costs at places like OVH, especially, things are going up because not only are their costs skyrocketing. but if you think about it, the people willing to rent from places like that, in some cases are also going up in what they will be willing to rent.

Because their unlimited money faucet from investors has to be spent on something. Because if you don't spend enough of it, you don't look like you're trying hard enough to win the AI race. And you know, places like OVH might not be getting as much pressure from that as some other potential places. But when the pressure is coming on them from both ends, when their costs are going to going up and the amount on offer from these customers who are responsible for the cost going up increases. It can even be indirect. Like maybe there's another data center, which is like more like

GPU focused or something. And the lower end clients are being pushed out of there. Yep. So they're now going to OVH so there's more competition. Or regional power bills are just going up or that, which just affects everybody. So there's a lot of different things at play. I don't necessarily blame OVH. OVH has been pretty great to work with. That being said, Oh my God. 87% potential increase in bill. Now, that doesn't mean all of OVH's services

are going up by 87%. And this was largely a warning by them. We're actually lacking a lot of information on it, to be clear. One second. What? Oh. Well, then...

Everyone was on time. WAN was not late because it's our fault. Nice. You know what? Wayne was late because of Sammy. I think Sammy loses a point. Yeah. Point against Sammy.

Okay, carry on. Yeah, so all these prices going up below, OVH, don't blame OVH. So we are looking at potentially bazaouncing. We're not going to plan on bouncing for everything. We're largely going to keep our like omega large data store there because that cost increase is not presumably going to be nearly as high as the other ones. And the CAPX or buy a bunch of hardware cost of setting up a massive data store somewhere else, very high. the capex of the other things that we need to do

relatively low. Right. So we want to do the thing that has the lower up front impact and the biggest potential benefit of dodging the price increase. What does that have to do with setting up an ISP? So you're talking about moving some equipment on-prem. So maybe like whatever AI server is going through and doing our automated subtitling,

like that would just move on-prem because it can just be, it can turn in the background. Is that kind of what you're talking about? Sure. Transcoding, potentially some of it. Yeah. It's, and then we can just steer the jobs to like use as much on-prem as we can, but we keep OVH as a backup.

But by on-prem, we mean a co-location data center that is like Vancouver-ish. Got it. So it will like latency-wise, it will almost like very, very, very close feel like to actually on-prem because there's fiber lines that go like straight there. Right. But it, but it won't be, it won't be technically on-prem. although the term on-prem gets really confusing depending on in what circles you use it in.

Yeah. Don't worry about it. But yeah, so we'd be putting stuff in there. We would also be putting in these like insane networking, routing, switching boxes. Yes. Which blow my brain because they have ports that do 400 gig. They are sick.

That's where most of the CAPEX is, by the way, is getting those. Who are these from? Edge, edge core. Okay. Sick name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So I never quite get to experience the core. Just, right on the edge of the core. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then something, something, something, we bought our own IPs. So we bought a range of IPV4. We did?

When was this? I did a little bit ago. We did that. We almost bought them from Canada. a post, which was going to be really funny. And then AJ found a cheaper set. So we bought those. But we almost bought them with Canon Post.

I love that IPV4 has been and continues to be one of like the soundest investments. This is not financial advice. That's one of the reasons why we bought it. It was because we were like, we're like, we're pretty sure we're going to do this thing. But then AJ, AJ found this like bank of IPs that we would, we could buy. And he was like, uh, these are up for auction. We should like probably buy these. And the reason why I'm saying this now is because this is a decent price.

And even if we don't do the plan, you can probably just resell them and make money. So I think you should buy these. I was like, okay. No kiosks, wasn't there an IPV4 shortage at one point? Yeah. There's an IPV4 shortage that is ongoing and will never end as far as I can tell, because it looks like we're just never going to switch to IPV6. And to be clear, that is not a prediction.

Hopefully, theoretically, at some point, IPV4 addresses and they're, they're, they're The limited quantities we have of them won't matter, but for now it does. Yeah, AJ included this, and it's just as like a footnote because who cares, but we got some free IPV6 too. Sounds good. What we cared about was buying the actual IPV4. But now that we have that, we could provide internet for ourselves from the Kolo Center. Holy shit. Which would mean that you could have Linus ISP tips as your internet service provider at the office.

Linus lift tips. Entirely possible. You could be your own ISP with one customer. I'm my own ISP. I mean technically there's more than one customer because the ISP. because the ISP would have the customer of like floatplane and also the offices. Right. So float plane's a reseller now?

So, okay. Kind of because float plane services, sauce plus and float plane and does some other little things. So Black Raven asks what stops an individual home user from being their own ISP? At an individual home level, the economics don't make any sense. It'd be crazy. There are towns that have had really poor service from the major ISPs and have just pulled together their tax revenues and made their own ISP. That is a thing. Because if you make a connection to an exchange, then if you own the network addressing that you need.

And you can pay to go over other people's lines, which is how a lot of small ISPs work. The internet is just a series of tubes. So if you have the equipment and you have the lines or you lease access to them, you can join the big network that we call the internet. Are we sure this makes sense? What we're definitely sure of is it saves a lot of money. Okay. So much money. Does it really save so much money?

So much money. like 400 grand over five years. Oh. Yeah. That's everything combined. That's having the servers in the co-location center. That's being our own ISP. That's basically,

AJ's been sitting in the back, cooking up a crazy witch's brew, and it's going to save you 400 grand over five years. While we're at it, I mean, I've been thinking about it some more, and I feel like we should just do the VPN product, too. I think we drew a very arbitrary line before,

I think we should just do it We'll become an ISP We'll become a VPN provider It'll be great We're both of them So we're gonna know what your traffic is doing No matter what You put it on our network

And you VPN it We're gonna know I love it Yeah I don't know So we're moving We're shaking we're trying to make things happen Okay Right so because we have a rack

At the exchange So how does our access from here to the exchange work, though? What do you mean? Sorry. Like that fiber line. Yeah. So we will need to lease that fiber line. But that's the same way.

That's what I was kind of getting into. It's like there's tons of like small like super regional ISPs. Yeah. Which I know because we use one. Oh yeah. So then what's their role in any of this? The super regional one is nothing. Is nothing.

No. So we just whatever. They are renting lines from someone else. So we will just skip that and rent lines for the people that they're renting lines from. Got it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

And then would we still have... Which is another dodge and costs. Right. So it kind of layers. It's like an onion of cost saving. It's the Shrek of Internet. Yeah. Shreknet.

You just keep saving. Do we need to spin up a new company for this? Because if we do, I want it to be called Shreknet. AJ's also pointing out, you could. technically use this as like a weird form of redundancy as well because we have the crazy switch at the colo. Yeah. If like, Tellis went down. As far as my understanding goes, and I'm still learning a lot about this, so AJ can correct me. But if Tellus went down, if we had our contracts arranged in the right way,

which this might be stupid, but I think you could. If Tell us went down, I think you could literally just be like, well, I guess we're on Rogers now and just not lose internet. I think. As long as it's not somebody putting a shovel through like our. fiber. That'd be a little rough. Got it. Okay. I think that works. AJ can correct me. While we're at it, Floop plane chat asks, okay, why not cellular service then? There's a dead spot right by my house that causes me no amount of frustration because I

cannot open and close my garage doors with my phone because it uses your Wi-Fi. AJ said yes. For car play and Android Auto. And my cellular service doesn't work right next to my house. house. So it's really annoying. So if I could just put a tower there, that would be swell.

I would be super down. Yeah, I have no idea about that at all. Okay. That's maybe a later thing to look into. Something else he was describing to me is because the Kolo Center, we can make like a land ring. So like if our network

from the studio to the lab went down for some reason, that's okay because the studio can talk to the lab through the Kolo Center. Okay. Which is like sick. Okay. So there's like there's a lot of really kind of

there's been a lot going on so I haven't had like a crazy amount of time to talk to AJ about it but every time I talk to AJ about it I'm just like what? It sounds very fun. All right. Okay. Cool. Yes, I still have the cell repeaters in my house. But I ran out of interior antenna slots on my repeater,

and all of those are used inside the house. So they're not useful in front of the garage, which is where I have my problem right now. Very, very annoying. And I even just switched ISPs to make it, or not ISPs, mobile providers, so that I can do conference calls on the way to and from work, because the one that I was on before

had a couple of dead zones that were too dead. And then the new one, I'm able to make calls to and from the office, but still cannot open my garage door. So part of the problem is the noise blocking glass in my car. It turns out it's also cellular signal blocking glass. So sometimes I'll be that guy where I'm like, I really need to close my garage door right now. Oh, yeah. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?

Boob. Okay. Yeah. Ridiculous. Add a stop sign. So AJ added the unfortunate part in full point chat. Oh. The two switches will total, not each, together, about $65,000, which will equate, like, at all the costs in, is roughly what we would have been paying if we didn't do anything over the course of 12 months.

And then you'll be saving money after that. And we need two of these switches, eh? Is the second one just for redundancy? Yeah, but it's total. Can I just have one? No. And not have redundancy? No.

Why? Because if the whole float plane service goes down, it's your fault. But it's not 65K twice. No, I got that. Okay. Or is it at least Canadian dollars? Or is it like real money? You don't know. You're just waiting for AJ.

I don't remember. I think it's CAD. I think it's CAD. Okay, well, that would help. I don't remember. That would help a lot. I don't remember. It's in the dock.

It's all in the dock. Yeah, everything's in the dock. Yep. AJ is totally going to reply. He'll say. Man, oh, man, I just... A break even of 12 months sounds pretty good. It is pretty good.

It doesn't change the fact that it's still 65. And this is, but this is why... That's CAD. Okay, that helps a lot. So it's like $40,000 real dollars, like $45. But this is why businesses have a hard time all the way back. Making these kinds of decisions, because paying a few grand every month is something that you can plan for. You could, you just, it smooths out your, your, your, your, your, your, your expenses and your income.

Because I don't, I don't just suddenly have necessarily $65,000 of excess income right now. I mean, it's hard to plan around that. I mean, think about it for like your personal life as well. Why do so many people finance a car? You're paying way more for it. Why do you buy the okay thing that's going to break down pretty soon instead of the, the really expensive thing that might last of your whole life because it's really brutal to buy the really expensive thing. And so I just...

Super normal. I mean, realistically, we're probably going to do it. It'll make a great episode of holy shit on the channel. Dude, the switches are nuts. AJ linked me the like product page for it. My brain exploded. It was crazy. They look so wild.

I've never even considered something like... Like, I knew that type of infrastructure would exist somewhere, you know? So I've never really considered, like, what it would be. Tell me this. Like, at what point, like, would it make sense if I wanted, like, super low latency, like, the best quality internet at my house? Would I, should I, should I lease the line to there? Like, like, where does it end? We could look into how much that would cost.

Like, what would it cost to be? be our own ISP for like everyone who works here. As far as my... Well, okay. Yeah. Like if you're... That gets really messy. What I'm asking is, is what, how does the lease work?

Is it by the like, the line where it goes? I wouldn't think so. It probably wouldn't even be by wavelength either because a lot of that would be shared. So is it just by total network utilization? So as long as if we told, if we told the staff here, like, as long as you have, you know, tell us fiber to your neighborhood, then we can offer you. Lisp for For a low low low price

I knew it was gonna end up being Linus internet service provider somehow I knew it it's it's in my like jokey notes for the all hands on Monday it's in my like jokey notes for the all hands is Linus internet service provider Like could it be a better price than buying from tell us or whatever? Oh okay apparently no no apparently AJ just said We can actually gain access to tell us last mile at G-Pon service,

which I think is AJ Ford. Yes. I know, AJ, that's so complicated. I don't want to be an internal ISP for all the employees. That's mean so much work. But it wouldn't make sense for us since we're power users. What does that mean? That doesn't mean anything.

That means nothing, AJ. And I think that was intentional. Maybe. Maybe. No, no, no. I think we need to not. do this. Oh, we might use the availability that we have.

Yeah, and we're better off, we're better off sharing quota with grandma who sends like three emails. Yeah, okay. That actually makes sense. Sorry, AJ, that was. That makes sense. I don't think we should be an ISP for all of LNG employees. I don't think that's a good idea.

Do it. Do it for fun. It would be pretty badass, though. Oh, my God. Be so cool. Okay, buy a bunch more fat switches. Oh, no. Yeah, there you go.

No! No! Yeah. No. Got them. So how many IPV4 addresses do we own then? 256, I think. Wow, that's not bad.

Yeah. Okay. Pretty sure. What did we pay for those? Seven grand. Oh, okay. Again, we could resell them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's like actually an asset that I would. was like fairly unconcerned about acquiring. That's crazy. The switches, I don't know how many people are going to be looking for them on Facebook Marketplace. Um, so those might just be they're gone. A cost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And now we have those switches forever. Yeah. Neat. Yeah. I mean, a lot of networking equipment is like that. It has no life outside of the data center. Like some home laber might tinker around with them here and there, but the, the size of the market for these things, the secondary market is like negligible.

I would have a 400 gig port, dude. How many is it have? My God, several, as far as my understanding goes. No, don't look them up now. We'll save it for the LTT video. Total switching capacity has to be obscene. It's, it's, uh,

it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's kind of mind-blowing. Um, God. Okay. And we're not, we're not getting like boogey ones. We're also not getting like, rat taverns. ones either. Right, okay. AJ, send me the specs. I want to look at them when I go home.

That would have its... That would have its own potential problems, you know? But we got like fairly scrappy ones, but ones that seem good. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I'm potentially open to it. As long as we can make content out of it, that helps a lot. The problem is, if we don't do it, the costs, again, doing this saves 400 grand over five years. Not doing this costs 400 grand over five years. So it's like 65K now. Penny saved, penny earned. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, it's technically in your guys'

hands. I've also talked to Taryn about it, but I know that an expense this high is going to have to go up as well. So I'm going both angles right now. Because if you guys do decide to say no, I would just question what the strategy is. Because the, okay, the 400K savings of five years, as far as my understanding goes, also is just from the OVH payments. Well, that also just assumes that everything's going to stay flat for five years. That too, which, like, very likely will go up more. Yeah, I know. So it's like, I understand it's tough. Yeah, it is. It's a lot of money. It's very tough. It's maybe even ROG. It's a step above tough. It's a lot of money when things are, when things are rough too. But think about it, man, we can potentially get enterprise hardware

and sponsors and stuff on the videos. We can make videos about it. Yeah. You want to make videos about being your own ISP? Yeah, I do. That's kind of fun. That's pretty cool. A lot of this project sounds really freaking sick.

Can we shoot at the Kolo? I don't 100% no yet. Okay, because that would be amazing. Being able to shoot at the Kolo would be sick. That would be a huge difference thing. As far as my understanding goes, we reached out, I don't think they just like said no. Okay. I think there was, they were like, what?

Yeah. But it wasn't an immediate no. There's some issues because of other people's stuff. So what I was going to say, I know it's, thing where you can, maybe it's for a fee or something, but you can have like blanked out covered covers. So maybe we just have covers on ours so we can do whatever we want inside ours. Maybe we could suggest that so that we can't see anybody else's cage from inside our cage. Yeah, something like that maybe. Like I'm going to try to play ball with them because I would like

to tell Rod's in. AJ says they said most likely. Nice. Okay. I didn't hear that update, but that's great. Yeah, that's terrific because that makes a huge difference to us because all of a sudden like It's been crazy. I'm behind on emails. We could go to someone like, you know, I don't want to put any words in anyone's mouth, but we could go to companies in this space and they have such an appetite for, oh, you're doing something that's like actually kind of sexy and cool with like boring business iron? Yeah, let's do it.

They tend to be pretty enthusiastic about it. So that would be really exciting. Yeah. It's just there's a lot of cool. that comes from it. There's a lot of like, and to be transparent, one of the reasons why the CAPX is actually so low because that CAPX for those switches is like

almost all of it. There's very little outside of that, like genuinely very little. All right, that's good. And the reason for that is because we just have a lot of stuff. Right. Oh, that's what Thomas was doing.

Probably. I saw him dumpster diving and just like, He had just like every server from the warehouse, and he was like going through them. We're trying to make stuff happen, Brett. Ah, I like it. I like it. The inside of the rack is already isolated because of physical access. Right.

Okay, so that makes sense. So you have to be able to go there. Yeah. Because it's a COLO center, so you have to be able to go there to service your own stuff. But not all of them necessarily have, like, complete, like, blanket covers. Yeah. So we just got to, we just got to make sure. We just got to make sure.

Yeah, it might even. I'm just, I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure what the situation necessarily is. But it's, it's, the whole thing is very interesting. So yeah, again, a lot of the big bulk storage would still be over in OVH in Quebec because that pricing is expected to not go up as much. And buying 10 trillion hard drives right now sounds terrible. It really does. So we'll just keep doing that.

That also kind of helps because my 321 backup brain goes way to, a second. Earthquick. Yeah. So we live on a major fault line and it's way overdue. My entire life. Yeah. I've been told the big one's coming. Not here yet.

Any minute now, the big one's coming. I'm like, oh, all right. And as far as our understanding goes, the big one here, if it does happen will be. The longer it goes, the more pressure there is, apparently. I don't know. I'm not a geologist. I don't know either. I don't know how fault lines work.

But apparently this one's going to be very brutal. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Both of us. So, yeah, the data would still be kept over there. Yeah. The compute stuff, Jonathan's done some, it's just insanely attractive things with Kubernetes. So, like, if it did all blow up, you could spin it up somewhere else really quickly.

So we're not super worried about that part. So. All right. Yeah. Good luck, everybody. Yeah. Because I know there was a question of, like, We moved, we moved some things.

I'm going to be slightly vague. I think you know about this. On to floatplain infrastructure recently, which saved like $17,000 a year. And then there was some questions that came up with when I've been kind of talking around about this project internally where people were like, well, what's happening with that? Because you just talked about that.

It's like, well, no, that's still happening. And literally where it was still happening. Like, we're not even moving that part. Yeah. We're moving a lot of the compute and everything. Do we need to look at like, what is it, next? cloud? Like we've had all these conversations about like teams and oh I was like how would that help us with this? Okay. No, I'm just talking. I'm just talking self hosting in general. Is it is it time?

It's time to consider some of it. I know like you and I have talked about okay so we have we have we have slack for some of the labs people and all of the floodplain people. We have Google workspace for everyone. Yeah. And we have Office 365 for like everyone minus maybe a couple. Yeah.

Because basically everybody. Um, do we, do we consolidate these services? It's going to, do we get rid of all of them? Feel like ripping my own heart out, but we're almost certainly going to get rid of slack.

So that's, that's one that's just going to go. It's way too expensive per user. I love it compared to teams. Teams is a rotten, pile of poo. I was in a meeting earlier today and I really needed

to look something up that was in teams messages and they just wouldn't load. It's like cool, nice. Discord would have loaded just fine. I wish Discord had a corporate edition, but they don't. I know one of the opponents to leaving Office 365

because I've brought up like how painful would it be to lose Google Drive and you amongst many others including myself have been like that's not really an option. So the The easier one for me would be Microsoft. One of the opponents to losing Office 365 is Infra,

because the like authentication stuff is... Single sign on, baby. ...is more ubiquitous. It's not necessarily better. I think it's worse, but it's more ubiquitous on the Microsoft side. So it's like... Jonathan did pipe up in here. I don't know if you noticed him in float plain chat.

He says, we have NextCloud with high performance backend running in Kubernetes with custom Helm chart. Yeah, that was a project we did internally to try to validate if we can use it. Oh, okay, and? Not for everything. Maybe for some stuff, though. I know they're moving pretty quick, and they are like... They do seem to be moving pretty quick.

They are... No offense, you guys, but kind of overly attached girlfriend about working with us, too. Like, they email me probably once every quarter or so going, hey! The second you mentioned them on the show, I was like, there's an email. It's like, all right, in coming. We have not forgotten about you. I'll say that much. Yeah, we're aware.

And they do seem to be moving pretty fast. I think they're moving fast. And I get the feeling that if we were to move on to them, it would be a benefit to them having an organization like us give feedback to help guide bug, fixes and short-term, you know, fires that need to be put out.

I suspect they would be very motivated to do that, I guess, is where I think there'd be a bit of a give and take there. Yeah, there's, there's, so not to be me to be in NextCloud, I think it's a really fantastic project. VDCA and FullPlink chat said, too bad NextCloud breaks their own stuff every other update. My notes app has been dead for weeks because of a right lock bug they have not fixed. Google Drive is going to work.

Yeah. Like pretty much no matter what And like I trash on cloud stuff all the time This topic is technically us trashing on cloud stuff Because of the uh Ddada da da wherever it went Okay FDF station losing their data

Fun fact okay This is me Trying to open a Google Doc earlier today Can't open this document Sorry Google Docs is on The reliability The reliability of Google Services has been moving the wrong direction for me for 10 years.

Yeah, no, I agree. And do you know how I fixed this? Search is also useless now. Yeah. Want to know how I fixed it? Watch this. It's the stupidest fix ever. I already see where it's going. Make a copy. Yep. I made a copy? And then the copy's readable. And immediately it opened. Yep. Un-fucking believable. I also have issues where I can't freaking find anything at Google Drive. very often it's an issue. I think the search is really bad now. Search for Google in general has just gone down the hole, which is wild.

It's weird to even say that. Let's search on everything for them. Man, the fact that I've been finding it easier to find certain YouTube videos by Googling it than searching it on YouTube is mind-blowing. Yvonne did that the other day. I was like, why aren't you searching on YouTube? And she's like, this just works better. It does. And she found it immediately.

Yeah, it actually does. And that's with Google search degrading the way that it has. Yeah. Which is just wild. The whole thing is just very confusing. So I don't know. It's in evaluation. We've been honestly a little bit brain sniped by this co-location thing because there are renewal dates upcoming.

Oh. That are like very important. So we're trying to move fast. Right. Is one of them related to the email chain that AJ and I were in? I see. But there's like a bunch of them. I understand.

Yeah. So like... And getting it all aligned so that you're not paying for your expensive off-prem stuff at the same time as your cap-ax on your on-prem. Or like, co-located stuff. And there's like shipping times. Right. And things that we need to be taking account for. And availability of anything with an IC in it these days is not to be taken for granted.

Uh-huh. So it's tough. It's a... I think that's a habit you picked up from me. What? So it's tough. I say that all the time. Every once in a while. Maybe. You hang out with someone for long enough.

You just, you pick up mannerisms from each other. I have lukeisms too that drive me nuts because I'll say them. And I'll be like, I can hear, I can almost hear it in your voice. You combing some things with bricks or what? What are your lucisms? No, the ones that make sense. Um, man, I can't even think of it off the top of my head, but they'll just pop out of my mouth. and I'm just like, oh, I picked that up from that freaking guy.

It's driving me crazy. I wonder how many people like actually even know actually where that references from anymore. Come with a brick? Yeah. It was a wancho a thousand years ago or something. It was a wancho in the garage. Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

Yeah, it's tough. Oh, yeah, there it is again. Now I'm not going to be able to say no without thinking about that. You cursed me. You can't out notice it. Yeah. But it's this, and this is happening. to be clear. Like we've got some really exciting things going on. It's terrifying for short-term

checkbooks, really exciting for long-term checkbooks. This would save us money even if the price increases weren't coming. Noki's got it. I say that's wild. That's all 100% lucism that I picked up. Yeah. Thank you, Noki. Yeah, you nailed it because I never said that before in my life. That's interesting. And I picked it up from him 100%. But yeah, this is happening to everyone. Don't get it twisted. We are not the only ones going through this problem. No, and that's part of the problem is that it's happening to everybody right now.

Yeah. This is not isolated. It's like industry-wide. This is macro forces that are just making their way in unexpected ways into the daily lives of just like Randos running YouTube channels. Speaking of unexpected ways, I think I've talked to you about this before, but like I met the guy a while back. I don't know if I don't think he still does this anymore, but I met the guy a while back who runs. like he was the CTO of, I think it was Kroger International. Yeah, all right.

Turns out they have like massive amounts of like servers and stuff. Kroger, like the paper company. No, the grocery chain. Oh, that one. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Which one's, oh, is there? But this. Sorry, yep.

I was thinking about this earlier today where like I'm looking at this and talking about how it's all cyclical, or not cyclical. It's all circular. Oh, Kruger. Kruger's a paper company. No, no, you're right. Oh, okay, okay. where like, you know, all these other things are making other costs go up,

which make other costs go up and all cascades. That's the word I'm looking for. You're like bananas are going to cost more because of AI. Because companies have to recoup their costs. That's bananas. And if they're going to go with that now instead of that's wild. That would be my own thing. If they have crazy costs going up because of, you know,

hardware increases, if they have costs going up because, hey, their password manager just is going up 20%. If they have costs going up because of, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, that are cascading all over the place, if their machines for automated checkout need to go up in price, if they're, et cetera, it's all going to cascade down onto cost, which are going to cascade down onto you, which is going to make your bananas or whatever else you're buying potentially costs more. So it's impacting like everything. And obviously different companies are and get impacted to different degrees. For some companies, it's going to make effectively no difference.

For other companies, it's going to make a very large difference. For Flowplane, for instance, this is like, oh, God. Really bad, terrifying, solve the problem now type situation. For other companies, it would be less impactful. So, no key found it using Philnot. You ready, Dan? Nope. Wait, the wall was white?

So the wall... Is that the... Tech Links? No, no. This is at the Langley House, I believe. Yeah, but you had a... Oh, not TechLink, sorry. TechWix.

This was with the boxes piled up, but sometimes they all fell down. So we just had product boxes behind us as a set. I just thought the bench den area had pegboard in it really fast. No, that was in the garage. This is at the Langley House. This isn't in the bench den. This is in the bedroom. Oh.

Yeah. Weird. I had remembered this being in the garage. Okay. Scrutiny, that thing. Oh, I can't hear. Am I supposed to be able to hear? We'll be combed with like a brick. That's when you're just moving into the house. Okay. Yeah, I guess we weren't. All right. Well, you just said scrutiny. Cool. Hey, look, after party link, it was a separate show. Was it on the same channel?

What does that mean? Like, everything will be looked at. Cones with a brick. Your face. I can tell what I said it. I've never gone back and watched that. You just had this reference for years. That is the most motherfucker. What did you just say that I think I've ever?

Oh man, that was pretty good. I couldn't even hear it. That was pretty good. 13 years ago. Yeah. Oh, dude, we're so old, especially me. Speaking of which, we should probably do a new topic, I got myself a birthday present.

Yeah. Not on purpose, mind you. I ordered it a year ago. These guys apparently build these things to order. Oh. And in spite of the fact that they seem like a decent size company and have been around for quite a while. They make tennis training machines.

So you know those ones that just like lob balls over the net and you can return them. They do them for soccer. Apparently that's a thing. You just load it up with like soccer balls and it just kicks them at you or something. Volleyball, squash, table tennis, reaction lights, paddle, pickleball?

They have a pickleball training feeder thing? Well, guess what? They also make badminton feeding machines. This was a recommendation from that English pair that came over for a couple of collabs. And apparently the German national team uses, I believe it is. This guy right here, the 8025A. Can this go away, please? Badminton.

Oh my God. websites are unusable. Okay, there we go. 8A hardcore quality intelligent equipment this arrived today. Have you used it?

Did you use it? I tried it today. So I'm going to talk about this in a little bit more detail at the All Hands on Monday, but there's going to be a bit of content pivot on LTT. Oh, okay.

LTT is going to become a little bit less of like, okay, this is the type of video that goes on the Linus Tech Tips channel versus this is the type of video that goes on TechQuicky or on Short Circuit or on wherever, whatever other channels. And LTT is going to be way more just what I want to make a video about. So sometimes it'll be an unboxing. Sometimes it might be a review. sometimes it might just be like

I'm building a weird AI server in my basement and I feel like it's been a long time coming I think this is great especially right now I think this kind of has made sense for a long time

I also think this especially makes sense right now because I don't know I had a this chat quite a few times he changed it I tried to press I don't know that's wild

What does mine say? Dude. He changed it, that's why. It's paid dividends. Little text buttons. That was pretty good. All right. Man, what was I even saying?

Oh, right. At Open sauce, we had a bunch of conversations with people about like, what do you even do now? Like I make content in a field that the field is toxic right now. Yeah. Like it just sucks. No one wants to be looking at this stuff right now. Computer hardware is way too expensive.

Even if you can still afford to buy it, it's really painful. It feels bad, man. And it just sucks and it just feels bad. And sometimes you can find deals. Yep. And people don't want to hear. that either because the deal is not as good as it was 10 months ago? They might not be able to find one because it, I mean, I found one.

It took me months. Yep. Like this is, it's not super reasonable. What if your timeline had to be shorter? Like it's, it's, it's just kind of icky right now. But it's not like when that viewership floats away that nerds who like nerdy, techy things are just gone. No.

If anything, I feel like they're hungry for something. something to engage with. And we have seen that in some cases where there's like tech creators that aren't making stuff that's super centralized around like performance computer hardware. Yep. That are actually doing better than they were. I mean, but most like effectively everybody that's in the computer hardware tech creator space thing

is going down. But people that are close to it are going up, which is just very interesting. I mean, even looking at the kind of stuff that is, dude, you're going to buying a printer. Is successful on our channel.

I mean, just replacing a battery with my daughter, almost a million views. That's the kind of content that before I kind of decided, okay, it's just going to be whatever I'm doing today, we wouldn't have uploaded. Because I would have been like, oh, I don't know if there's enough meat on this bone. I don't know if there's enough learnables. But then I was just like, no, my daughter's phone is broken. And this is an opportunity for her to do something she's never done before. And there's a whole new generation of viewers that is just like her. and hasn't seen me replace a battery before,

why are we afraid to do this? It's also not as normal now. That's, this is true, too. And she had a blast. Actually, you know what's really kind of funny, but also she, like, was almost in tears about it, is on last Friday, no, not last Friday, earlier this week,

my other daughter broke that phone. Dropped it and the screen shattered. Yeah, you're right It's kind of funny, but it's also really sad. The timing blows. She just fixed it. So Kat just fixed it. She just had this like honestly kind of fun experience of like she's invested in it.

And she has like more of an emotional attachment to it. It's something we did together. And I'm looking at it going, okay, well like now what path do we take? Because it's already a six or seven year old phone or something like that. and I was barely even wanting to buy a new battery for it, let alone a new screen, which is a way more invasive replacement. And more expensive than the battery.

Do I just get her a new phone now? It's pretty close to her birthday. Also, it would put her on the same cycle as the other two kids who both just got new phones. Like, there's a lot of reasons, but then part of me is just like, no but we should just we should just

Frankenstein's monster phone of the ECSID and we should just I don't know which which way would you go she needs a stylus not needs but she loves the stylus so that really limits my options even cool that she likes the stylus too I would almost see

that as a benefit what new phones have a stylus very few like the top end the top end S series phones do but they're huge whereas the note 10 not the plus the note 10 was a very reasonable size for a kid still ish like i meant i miss reasonable sized phones yeah what the heck is there a route oh man this stuff is so complicated because it's like how how does the

kid respond to it so i was going to say like this is this is more expense sorry by the way $65,000 in switches uh but uh what if you got her to replace the screen And as a reward for replacing the screen, then she can sell the phone and we'll get her new one. And she gets the nice new one. Yeah, or something like that. I could see us doing that. Yeah, I'll think about it a little bit.

Because, like, I don't know how much that phone's worth, but I think just the process of, if she enjoyed the previous one, showing her that there can be a reward in fixing things, I think is cool. Does that make sense? Even if it's not fixing it for you. Dan's in chat.

You know, you're right here, Dan. He says, make the one who broke it, fix it. Yeah, why not? Why not? She's still a little young for that delicate of an operation. I don't think so. The phone's already broken. Yeah, and the stakes are lower this time because of what happened last time.

I did set up backup on it, so at least we're not like, like, don't break this thing. I started when I was like 3D and I turned out normal. so I'm excited for that project next week dad me too see make her fix a screen

do it do it what I'll think about it I'll think about it yeah I think fixing the screen like if if

you know I think you did this with 3D printing you you sewed an interest she displayed some interest in thank you in replacing the battery do you just kind of keep that going

80 bucks kind of sucks maybe you can recover some of that cost reselling the phone I really don't expect a seven year old phone is worth a couple hundred bucks still really it's well it's kind of a unique phone I would definitely do it then yeah and it has a fresh battery whether you keep it or not yeah I would I would replace the screen brand new screen brand new battery version of that phone

it's probably worth an okay amount yeah it's probably worth something yeah um anyway video coming soon on the badminton machine 8025 but here's a much worse version of it but it just kind of craps shuttles at you and then you hit them it's pretty cool and it works surprisingly well would this be rentable at the badminton i don't know exactly what to do with it i mostly got it because i always wanted one and i thought it would be super cool but i wasn't what to do with it. It could be interesting as like a nighttime rentable thing because during prime hours,

I'm assuming you want more feed on courts. Yeah, generally. I'll say butts and seats, but not in this case. You want to feed on courts. But maybe at nighttime when you have like idle empty courts, you could rent out the practice machine. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, depending on how much people are paying to rent the machine because it would have

to have a pretty considerable cost. Yeah. Because we have to like set it up and tear it down. No, absolutely. For you, presumably. So I would assume it would be like a hundred bucks an hour or something like that. I have no idea. But.

And it's like a, it's like a. It's going to have to be not that cheap. Yeah, it can't be super, super cheap. Maybe it could be a program thing where you get like, you buy like a bundle of sessions with it or something. I could see something like that. I could see someone potentially pairing that with, um, a training program. Uh, Magi,

1998 says that's too steep. Do you have any idea how much a coach to sit and feed you shuttle's costs? So first of all, we're talking Canadian dollars, so that's something. But like coaches are over $100 an hour for the ones with like a good reputation these days.

And from the limited time that I've spent with it so far, the feeding quality is super consistent. How long does it take to set up and take down? It's pretty quick. How much is the cost of the thing? It was like eight or nine grand. Like if you're renting, you go to like, like, like, United, you go to United Rentals or something.

You rent a paint sprayer, right? You're talking like $700. Or actually, they're a little more than that these days, I think. They're like probably closer to a thousand plus. Like, you rent like a thousand dollar paint spray. It'll easily cost you like $100 plus a day. Easily. Like, the economics around renting stuff are kind of crazy to me.

That's why we bought all the tables and chairs for whale land. Yeah. Because by the time we ran, I think it was like three lands. We could literally afford to just buy all of our own tables and chairs. I just think like, okay, so how much is a coach an hour? You said a little over 100, so it's like 115? 150, 160. Oh, okay.

Like for the really good ones. Now, obviously, a machine like this is not giving you feedback on your form. So there's a tradeoff there. But it also is able to feed super consistently. You will get in more reps with this. So horses for courses I could see it being I could see it being a little lower

I mean I have no Horse in this race And also the shuttles So you can't just I don't think you can just put garbage shuttles in it And we today we stacked 2,000 Canadian dollars worth of shuttles in it So there's a cost there because they're hitting them right They will wear

Okay so it includes the the shuttle cost. I could see that being it. If you want to soften that blow, yeah. But keep it the same price. I think you lower the cost of the machine, but make someone buy effectively new shuttles with it

because you don't want bad shuttles going through it because it'll hurt the machine. I think people would put bad shuttles in it if you don't include them. So I think it's better to have a combined rate and we just control the quality of the projectiles. You take your shuttles home at the end of the day when you're done playing with the machine?

Um, no one's going to be able to do that kind of an upfront. Yeah, I'm going to buy two grand worth of shuttles to put in it. So it would have to be provided. No, no, no, I'm saying that's like part of the benefit. You take them home? Yeah. No, you wouldn't. So they would go back in the machine because they can, they can be reused for quite a while, but it would include the wear and tear on them that you, that you go through in your session kind of thing. I could see that. So, so, so, okay, because there's $2,000 worth of shuttles, whatever, they're never reloading as a user? they might have to but they'd have to

and that's like the worst part of badminton training is picking up all the stupid shuttles and stacking them yeah I'm just thinking because like if this might be a sketchy part of renting it out is what if somebody loads a bad shuttle yeah then I think it shouldn't

just like be destroyed by a slightly worn out one like it's not that big of a deal okay and all the hoppers are clear so you can see what's in it so if there's like crap in it then you could just clean it the butt heads put the thing in.

You just put a new one in. Anyway, so I've got a video coming on that. It was pretty exciting. I co-hosted it with my son. That's another thing that I think you guys are going to see more of. It's just like, this is something that, you know, me and the family are interested in,

so we're just going to, like, make a video about it. Are we doing the thing that I... Uh... But I retire and I'm replaced by my children. Is that what you want? Fine, fine. Fine. No, fine. No, I'll quit right now.

Okay, I'm back. this. Yeah, I don't see why not. Can I, should I bring that up? Yeah, sure, yeah. Let's talk about it. My, something that I've been talking to Linus about doing is my, my dad's system. So my dad.

It's a crazy build. It's so wicked. My dad is a plumber by trade. He's in it plumbing instructor now. And he built this case out of copper pipe. It's like fairly big copper pipe, whole frame all the way around. If you've been to Whaleand, you might have seen it. He's brought it a couple times.

he wants to use the case itself as a radiator with an emergency out for like particularly hot summer days where he can connect it to an external rad just in case but normally it should be fine he did a bunch of math on it he was working with rod on it uh rod said it's such a cool case which to me just means that it's a fact um i so yeah we're going to do i don't think i've even mentioned this to Rod, but here we go. That's one of the reasons why I wanted to mention it now is because I knew Rod was in chat. So we're going to try to do that on the channel, which I think like a couple of years ago when the idea first came up, it didn't make as much sense for the channel.

But with the new vibe that you're talking about, it like suddenly makes a lot of sense for your channel. I think so too. So there's some plans. I have yet to ask for it, but we've been thinking that like, oh man, it's such a perfect board for this. I hope they say yes. what is it the ASUS 2006

The anniversary one It's so expensive We have one It's so perfect for it Oh man It's upstairs It's so perfect for it Should I go get it?

Sure I think I know where exactly where it is Maybe just do a quick checkout message While I'm gone Impossiblely perfect for this build He's gonna grab it But there's a bunch of copper accents on it The heat sinks are like

Kind of exposed copper heat sinks And it has a backplate on the motherboard Which is just this like huge copper backplate inside of he's going to go get it yeah inside of a case that is all copper tubes it's going to be freaking sick I'm very excited about it

Rod's going to theoretically come up and help us build it so it'll be myself my dad and Rod Rob and Luke and we're going to yeah we're going to build away and have fun and it should be really cool sorry what were we going to do what do you want me to do maybe a calm

sure do you have one Yeah, I got one for you. If chicken was suddenly outlawed, what would you eat for protein? If chicken was suddenly outlawed, what would you eat for protein? I was going to say bugs. I don't know if you'd be a bug man. No, not so much. People immediately said eggs in full-pin chat.

And honestly, great answer, but they don't sit well with my stomach for whatever reason, so I can't do it. I think eggs would be a really good answer. But yeah, I can't do it. something I've been enjoying lately is extra lean ground beef what that's the motherboard box

are you what why seriously like you could ship a computer in this box yeah oh my god we're good we're good

I don't know you might have to just tip it over yeah it'll be good. Ah! Watch the... Oh yeah.

Oh yeah, bye. Oh my goodness. Uh, uh... What, it's in a suitcase? Why does the motherboard come in a suitcase? Is there more in there, Dan? No wonder this thing costs so much. Still not there yet.

There we go. Wait. Oh, this is the wrong one. What? Yeah, this isn't what I'm talking about. This isn't the one you like? No. You ripped apart off. of it already. He brought out the anniversary board, which is the

new version of it. I thought that's what you were talking about. No. This is a super cool motherboard but not what I was talking about. Oh, all right. Well, forget to get this garbage out of here then. This is... Get this out of here. Throw it. Throw it on the ground. Um...

Okay, thanks, Daniel. I've got it. This is the one I was talking about. Because you see the copper accenting on this side, but the back The backplate. The backplate is honestly what really got us interested in this. Where can I see the backplate? Sick-looking motherboard in general. Where's the back plate? Show me the back plate. Well, I'm so disappointed. I brought you the wrong thing. I failed you.

Oh, Dan, we may need to adjust that camera again. Um... Just a crazy idea. Oh, these animations. I don't care about that. Where's the back plate? These like Infinite Scroll websites drive me insane. They don't even show it. Oh my god. Oh my god. That's crazy.

Of course Nochi has it. Classic Nokey. Okay here. That's the backplate, dude. That's insane. And in his, the case that he's designed, the backplate will be fully exposed. So you'd have this like huge copper 20th anniversary ROG backplate exposed inside of this like copper framed build. So perfect.

The funniest part of honoring this first. ROG motherboard like this color scheme and everything from 20 years ago is that the first RRG motherboard was a piece of shit Like our RMA rate on it was I kid you not about 50% I remember this yeah, they just all came back Yeah, hopefully this one wouldn't be as problematic Hey, we should get through some sponsors real quick otherwise that's gonna be problematic Yeah The show is brought to you by Vessi Hello fellow foot havers. I have some unfortunate news for you

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8 refs. We're going to have them link down below my braces. They're driving me nuts. I had an appointment this week and we're so close. We're so close man. They crank them on you again? We just got, oh yeah, yeah, every time. But you just got to get this on turned a little bit. Just turn that one a little bit and then we're done. You're free? Then we're done. Get them off. Yeah. I'm really not looking forward to that appointment though. Grinding is the worst for me. I hate the grinding and they have to grind off the glue that held all the brackets on. Oh, and

then popping the brackets off, they actually had to reposition this bracket, so they, like, they have you like a bite down on a thing and like, like pulling it off. Right after getting them in place, just a yank on them. It's going to be great, man. Do you have your crossbar on your bottom

teeth? They'll probably put that on when I'm done. Like, I'll ask for a permanent retainer there. Yeah, I got that when I was a kid. I asked the guy like, oh, when do I get this off? And he said when I was like, you know, I don't even know. I was like 12. So the age that he told me felt like I would be ancient and I think it's like roughly now.

But I don't think I'm going to get removed anyways because it's just like part of me at this point. But I remember him telling me that and being like, oh, I'm doomed forever. But unlike the rest, it really, it doesn't bother me at all. Yeah, something on the inside, I think I'd be fine. with. It's just the way they shred up my lips. Yeah, it never shreds anything. Yeah. I can scratch my tongue on it. Feels great. It's good. Nice. So that's another thing that, you know, over the last few years wouldn't have been a video on LTTs. Me just like talking about my braces adventure. Oh yeah. Whereas now it will be. Is technology involved? There is. You tried three-d-printed

ones. Three-D-printed ceramic brackets. Oh, they currently are. They are. Okay. Yeah, and they suck. Yeah. And so that'll be my review. because they are a giant boatload of ass. Which might actually help a ton of people. Which legitimately probably will. Including if you, especially, including if you mentioned how they like, cut your lips up and stuff. Oh yeah.

Because like I had braces on a kid. That was never a problem. There was problems. Oh yeah. It's been very suck. I kissed somebody and our braces got connected together. That's pretty funny. That was awkward.

Yeah. But like that's the problem, not, you know, my, my, my mouth getting cut up. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What else? Oh yeah.

Okay. I guess we could like maybe do some topics. That would be crazy. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, yeah, we'll better do a couple topics first. YouTube is raising the bar on monetization.

Citing the need to keep pace with the growth of the platform. YouTube will be increasing the requirements for new creators who are applying to the YouTube partner program. Potential partners will still need one. 1,000 subscribers, but will now need 8,000 qualified watch hours in the last year or 20 million qualified shorts views in the last 90 days. This is up from 4,000 qualified watch hours and 10 million qualified shorts views. Our discussion here is, what advice would you give a creator trying to make a content creation a career in 2026? I know one of the main topics that I've seen around online. Okay, there's been a bunch of stuff.

Honestly, one of the genuinely best resources for content creation stuff I've seen in a long time is some of Ludwig's classes from Streamer University. They're like genuinely extremely good. And I think if you're trying to get into the stuff, you should go watch it. One of the takeaways from that was I think he said packaging is like 70% of the deal or something. and he's not wrong. Yeah. I hate how important it is. It is very, very frustrating, but it is incredibly important.

I think we've talked before, but I've seen, I've seen view graphs like 4X from having a better thumbnail and title. I mean, and I have also seen retention go up with that. So you have like a more accurate title, which everyone says that you have to do. and then you get a title that's more clickable, but that doesn't lie, and your retention and your views go up. I mean, we saw this two weeks ago. Yeah, what?

This WAN show had crazy live numbers. Like, we peaked over 15,000 or something like that, even though we're on a new channel that doesn't even have that many subscribers. By the way, make sure you're subscribed to the WAN show channel. Anywho, the week before peaked it more like 5 or 6,000. The week after peaked it more like 6,000, I think. and then this week we're sitting at like 5,000 right now,

which means we're probably tracking somewhere between 6,6,500. So the channel's like, do good. It's growing, it's happening. But this one crushed it. 3X out of nowhere. So I reached out to YouTube. I'm like, yo, what was up with that? Like, the Vod didn't perform particularly out of line with everything else.

It's a little better, but like 3X? What is that? And they're basically just like, oh, yeah, it seems like it's related to Minecraft, interest in Minecraft. I'm like, I don't think, A, I don't think that fully checks out. And B, I don't personally love that,

you know, a format that people tune into, you know, week in, week out, you guys are deciding whether to serve, because it got way more impressions. Like, it was served way more impressions. Retention was also good, though. So, well, yeah,

but it's the same as a typical WAN show. Yeah. It was the same, which is the crazy thing. Yeah. So why is it getting three times, the live engagement and it's basically because the packaging. Somehow Minecraft

resonated with the YouTube algorithm in that moment and we got three times the viewership. So that gives you some idea just how important it is because I don't think there is a format that we've ever done that is more consistent week to week than the WAN show. It's these two guys

talking and sometimes okay, he pops in and we just yiky-y-act. We have intentionally never even changed the thumbnails, I think, from literally ever. I think the thumbnails are just exactly the same as they've always been. But yeah, okay, so that's really important is that packaging is like literally more than half of the equation. Yeah. So keep that in mind. Do a lot of A-B testing. I talk to, I'm not going to out them, but I talk to a creator that

probably almost everyone watching knows at OpenSauce. And I was poking around a lot of different creators. How many revisions do you do of your thumbnail and title after the video is uploaded? That was the main thing I was trying to poke at. And someone, huge creator, like 12, crazy, like every time. Like it's huge, huge deal. The other one would be the, uh, the like, and this is going to sound really negative to say. And there's probably a way more positive way to say it. But the like viewer quality funnel, if you get a TikTok, a YouTube short and Instagram reel or something like that. If you get a view on there, it is worth very little. Yeah. Very, very, very little. If you can offload that to some form of Vod, most likely YouTube, long form

video content, most likely YouTube, there are other ones. That value goes way up. YouTube's in a pretty good sweet spot where you can get a lot of discovery. You can get your channel out there. You can get your name out there. You can be found pretty easily through anything. YouTube, long-form content. I mean, I'd argue long-form is getting harder, not better. Way harder,

but it's still in a, like, sweet spot range. Better than anyone else. That's for sure. So it's way easier to get views on a lot of other platforms, way easy to be discovered than a lot of other platforms,

and you can still make money because it's a long-form YouTube video. YouTube is pushing shorts like crazy. They are actively killing a lot of their long-form creators. There are a lot of long-form creators that are shrinking, laying people off,

failing entirely, etc. largely in a lot of people's opinions due to shorts just taking over the watch time of the platform. YouTube has kind of saturated the world as its watch base. So it kind of shifts its own watch time around on the platform and they've shifted stuff away from Vaughden towards shorts. And if you ask YouTube, they'll say, well, that's what viewers demand. And if we weren't giving it to them, TikTok would or Facebook would. And if you ask the users and the creators, they're like, why are you shoving it down my throat so much? I'm not demanding this at all.

you're like brain dopamine mind controlling me and just staying on these shorts for so long it's not what I actually want but anyways the like generally seen as highest quality view is an active live streamed view so that funnel can be very tough because discovery on live stream platforms might as well not even exist

he was going to do it if I didn't discovery on Twitch is effectively useless. Yeah. It might as well not even be there. But having an audience of, you know, say 150 people where over the course of your stream, you're averaging, I don't know, like a thousand different people coming in and out. And your Vod on Twitch gets like two, three thousand views. That can be a successful full-time creator. Right. That many views on YouTube, not even close. That many views on shorts? You, nothing. Well, make literally nothing probably. You probably won't earn enough to get a payout. So it's like it's

this this ramping thing. It doesn't mean that views on short stuff is worthless. It just means you're going to need like millions. Yeah. It doesn't mean that views on YouTube are worthless. They're absolutely not views on YouTube are worth a bunch. But it also doesn't mean that if you see someone on Twitch with a viewer count that it doesn't seem super high, that doesn't mean that it's not super valuable. It kind of slides on this chain. And you can you can try to promote your your viewers jumping over. try to promote your viewers jumping from shorts so long form it's hard very difficult it's tough yeah there you go um because a lot of people are going to watch that short and then just scroll around by but if you can convert them that can be quite valuable that's some good advice i have nothing to add

hell yeah um where did that come from the merch message wasn't it excuse me a I don't remember checkout message. There we go. Solid. Totally. Oh, speaking of Twitch, Luke mentioned him a couple times. A new Twitch feature

trains Amazon's generative AI on users' channels by default. It would be a shame if anybody watched this WAN show, and I were to say if you want to disable that, you go to the security and privacy tab of your Twitch user settings

and look for training and generative AI. And go ahead and disable that. Obviously, Twitch should have made this an opt-in program, but they actually did address this. That's what Luke is reacting to. Twitch chief product officer, Mike Minton, said, if it was opt-in, nobody would opt-in.

So it's going to be on by default. That is probably the best example. of saying the quiet part out loud that we have seen in at least a solid year on the land show like I can't think of a more on the nose assessment that made me breathe out of my nose so hard that it's itchy now um wow that's amazing uh that almost feels like it's like begrudgingly said serendipity says hold on he has a point i mean he really does he's Super does. Oh, man.

Meanwhile, McDonald's is making dossiers on their loyalty program. Our notes say, this is great, ba-da-pap-papa, I'm not loving it. Reese Rogers, superhero name detected, a wired reporter requested his McDonald's

loyalty app data and received an extensive. This is not a typo. 50015-page dossier that detailed his orders, visits, favorite location, spending habits, and this one's the kicker for me, predicted behavior. McDonald's algorithm even assigned him an attrition score of zero, predicting that he was essentially never going to stop eating Mickey D's. McDonald's is now reportedly pooling loyalty data from 220 million customers across 70

markets into a global AI system that is designed to learn from billions of transactions. The AI seems to be geared towards improving suggestion and recommendation algorithms to influence customer behaviors. Our gentleman who prepared this, Nathan, he has put in a thought here. They're about to make some sort of horrifying, malevolent clown AI. They'll turn Ronald McDonald into the pennywise of the internet age. Everything floats. More like everything French fries.

Thank you for that, Nathan. That was definitely worth reading. he did add something worth me reading it he actually wrote a tech quickie about dynamic surveillance pricing recently and a former FTC chief technologist told us loyalty programs function as data harvesting machines and how aware are you of that in your day-to-day life do you think our viewers should be more conscious of it

and I absolutely think that's the case this is our discussion question but I even actually it's funny as recently as yesterday when I visited my orthodontist they asked me, hey, are you entering to win our draw? Do you collect our points? And I make a conscious decision not to collect points pretty much anywhere.

The one exception is Air Miles because we fly so much as a company that do you remember that year that our entire Christmas party like gift cards? Giveaway thing was gift. cards, yeah. That was basically... It wasn't the entire thing. No, but there was just a lot. There was a ton. Well, what happened was a miscommunication. Someone asked me, hey, should I blow all the air miles on

rewards for the Christmas party? And I was like, sure. I didn't know how much it was. Stuff happens. That's a fun way of communicating that. Stuff happens. Yeah, so, okay, what I'm learning is, I just shouldn't have told you the cost of the switches. I should have just said, we'll just need to buy a couple switches. And then you would have been like, yeah, sure. And then I could have just had my budget approval now. That is not the lesson from this. I think that's the lesson.

That is nothing to do with this. I think that's what I just learned. I don't think so. Just be more vague. Suggest it might not be as bad as it is. Or in that case, as good. That's the lesson. Yeah, Bent Bob brings up a really good point.

Loyalty programs can also be engines to and shi-fi. they can dial down discounts to the lowest level that will still appeal to you and then fine tune it. So everyone's getting personalized discounts that are just enough for them. Oh yeah, 100%. Um, gross. Do you want to pick one? Speaking of not gross, new Mexico judge orders meta to pay nearly a billion dollars. I have been tracking so far since the beginning of the show.

Have, has the world spent that much money on AI yet since the beginning of the show? apparently no, but over a tenth of it. So that's, that's cool. Judge Brian Bedechid, by Judge Brian. Judge Brian wrote in a judgment that Meta is a cause of and has substantially contributed to a public nuisance in New Mexico and is required to abate that public nuisance. Well said. Meta will be required to contribute $567 million to a fund meant to cover mental health

care. The remaining $375 million, no, I did not think $567 was close to a billion. The remaining $375 million comes in the form of civil penalties. Meta reported $60.8 billion in revenue and $15.85 billion in net income in Q2, 26. So the combined penalties work out to just under 6% of quarterly income, which is actually a lot given that this is just one state. A pretty big deal. Yeah. And fun. part, uh, let's this from lemonade stand.

It's like a bunch of states trying to do this all right now. And this one just worked. So this could be like a huge deal. Well, maybe it does plan to appeal the decision. Of course. Yeah. And I,

I wouldn't be surprised if they get it lower. Is it just me or like, but I think it's going to go through. Sometimes the appeals process seems like really important. And other times it's like, but other times does it just feel like like, gumming up the works. Like if you want to appeal something...

Oh, that's their goal. Should it basically just like have to happen right away? Like, how can we make things... Should you gain a reputation as a company? Yeah. For your appeals? Like, like, yeah, should it be kind of like... I mean, okay, I'm going to bring it back to badminton for the second time in a single WAN show.

So you can actually appeal the line judge's call. Okay. So they could call it. in and you could say no, I think that was out. You put up your hand. But there's actually, you can only do it a limited number of times. And then I believe in hockey. You can ask for a review.

And then if you fail, there's like a downside. Yeah. Hold on. Hockey. That could be kind of sick. Appealing a call. I also think this should be an uneven thing. Your opponent gets a power play.

Oh, wow. If you're wrong. I like that. I like that. Like, can we, can we add a penalty to appeals? If you are a company and you make over a certain amount of money, there should be penalties for appealing. Because you know that that company's going to have an army of freaking lawyers and stuff.

We're not talking about random individuals. I don't necessarily want this to be true for like random Joe Blow walking down the street. Yeah, like I wasn't there. I couldn't possibly have robbed that store. I want to appeal. Yeah. I don't want this applying to the. Check your foot.

Law cameras. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want this applying to this person. I do want this applying to multi-billion dollar

mega corporations that have armies of lawyers. I do want this applying to them. So it's like, and there's tons of laws that work that way. So it should be a threshold thing.

But I would love that. That would be fantastic. But yeah, apparently this is like, finally, and man, honestly like, what,

did it take our generation getting to the point where we're like very well established famous lawyers or something? I don't know what? But like, finally,

these companies being looked at is like, oh, they might be causing insanely severe amounts of damage to like our youth and honestly just everyone and maybe something should happen about that. Like, thank God. Hornplaya says appeals require a bond and depending on the amounting question, that can be expensive enough to deter. But I guess that plays perfectly into what Luke is saying where if you're a large enough company that that's just like, who cares? Cost of doing business, then apparently we need something more than that because they just appeal everything and it takes forever and then by the time it's actually finally settled you get like what five bucks and a

coupon for starbucks like what are we even talking about here yeah yeah i would like it to benefit the the groups more as well so like okay meta is required to contribute 567 million to a fund to cover mental health care okay well that should just be more if they appeal and fail you're going to help mental health care even more because I'm assuming you're taking these groups back into court wasting more of their time, wasting more of their money. That is, you are making life worse for them again. You should be on the hook for that.

Oh no, I know Horn Player. You weren't defending it. Just giving an example of an attempt that just is not addressing the underlying issue. I got it. I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're good. Discussion question. do you think this judgment is large enough to be more than just a cost of doing business?

Potentially times many more states and regions. Yes, I think because this is just New Mexico, I think it's pretty good, actually. You multiply that out by all the different states. My God. Yeah, now we're talking. Now we're really talking. Now we're talking maybe don't do that. Now we're talking more than your income for that quarter.

It's just a quarter. Yeah, I know. My God. I know. But still, we start talking about. real numbers once you start getting up to all the different states that are involved with this. Do we have any information on how many different

states? Because it's a ton of them. I don't think it's every single state. I do think we have to move on though because we have quite a few topics left. Yeah, good call. I can't find it in here. Anyways. This is pretty cool. G-Force now exploit lets you access the full

Windows desktop through a simple file swap. Mauder Zortos working with developer D-pad guy found a way to escape shape G4 Now's game streaming sandbox and land on the full Windows desktop of NVIDIA's cloud hardware. So you launch the free-to-play game Trove,

click the publisher's name to open the built-in browser, navigate to the C-drive through the address bar, and swap the games executable with a replacement file. Then, launch the game again, and instead of Trove, you get a full Windows 11 desktop with taskbar, start menu, and system tools. The ultimate tier machine that Zortos Land, on was running a 32-core

AMD Epic, 56 gigs of system RAM, and an RTX Pro 6,000D with 48 gigs of V-RAM. So that's the data center card behind the tier that Invidia Market says 5080 class performance. Once inside, it's basically a rentable

high-end cloud PC for just $20 a month. Zortos fired up LM Studio and loaded a 31 billion parameter local AI model and was able to run it at a very usable 41 tokens per second. Others have installed games outside of GForce Now's catalog like GTA5 and D-PAD guy built an open source tool called Salsa Now

to streamline the whole thing. That's so sick. Now this does violate NVIDIA's terms of service and it could get your account banned. It also only works on paid tiers and session time limits do still apply. Also the results are inconsistent as some users report. sessions closing the moment that File Explorer opens and InVidia will almost certainly patch it now that it's everywhere. Yeah. But I thought

it was pretty funny and given that Nvidia sells this exact hardware for AI at Enterprise prices and someone just got it for 20 bucks a month with a file swap, I thought it was a pretty cool find good job. It's hilarious. It also shows us

how much more we're paying for this stuff just because of the AI we're running on it versus what it's actually worth because Nvidia can clearly operate G-Force now

profitably at $20 a month. It's crazy. Crazy. Womp. Womp. Speaking of

I don't even know. Intel has filed a patent application for some space data center concepts that would use a few powerful

satellites higher up to manage thousands of simpler low weight. What? Really? Why?

I mean, isn't that the question? Okay, the higher, like literally boss satellites? It's like their offices at the top of the tower, like, okay, what are we talking about? Would handle routing, coordination, and other heavy computing? Maybe it gives you like more line of sight? Reducing reliance on ground-based processing and ground stations. The goal is cheaper, simpler satellites and a more scalable network, but this is still a patent concept, not assigned Intel is building it.

On top of that, Intel's latest filing is a continuation of a patent application that dates back to 2022. So it's not exactly a brand new Intel project. Are we still not over the whole data centers in space thing? No. Okay. Yeah, I think that's going to be going on for a little while. Okay, cool. and then when are we going to get bored of that?

I don't. Whenever, you know, the next earnings call for some company Elon's involved is, and then he has to come up with some other new thing that he's doing now. Because like, like, what? Like, like, data centers in the Kuiper Belt, like what's the... I like that. Like, what's the... Data center asteroids.

Yeah, how do we just... What's the new shiny that we can come up with so that we can move on from, Data Center Asteroid sounds pretty fun. Yeah, I mean, you've data center on moon even. What if we made data moon? Data moon. So we have two moons.

Oh, that's no moon. It's a space data center station. Sick. Our discussion question here is, what concerns do you have about putting thousands and thousands more satellites into orbit? space junk is already a significant problem. And the more space junk there is, the more pieces of shrapnel can go zinging through something

and cause more fragments, which is going to cause more data center junk, which is going to make it even harder. Like Earth's... I didn't really think about it until I was out of the city recently, for some reason or another, and I'm somewhere where you can actually see the sky.

I couldn't believe how many fucking satellites there were. Like, it hasn't, I haven't. Look, it's overcast here 160 days out of the year, okay? It just doesn't come up that often. But, like, when I was a kid, I lived in a rural area, and I used to just, you know,

lie out on our trampoline, of all things, and I would look up at the sky. And there weren't so many satellites. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sounds about right. There's a lot now. There's pictures from the Artemis II mission that people took from inside the Orion capsule back towards Earth.

And there's one particular series where he was trying to just take a bunch of photos to kind of see if he had set things up correctly. And you can see kind of a time lapse, not because he was intentionally taking time lapse photos, but he spammed with the shutter a bit. You can see a time lapse. And you can see a decent amount of the satellites kind of sparkling as they move a little bit around the Earth. and it's like, oh, that's a lot of them. Yeah, so float plane chat is talking about Kessler syndrome. So just all this high-speed crap ripping around the earth at tens of thousands of kilometers an hour

and just shredding anything that tries to pass through it. If we want to be a multi-planetary species, then we actually do need to not put too much garbage in orbit around the earth. There's also stuff where it theoretically, lot of it will slowly kind of deorbit itself because it's not gaining anymore eventually yeah can take a long time but e gadget guy says there's so much room up there it's not as bad as you think but that's the attitude that got us to the point where we have the great pacific garbage patch there's so much ocean the ozone layer is so thick it's so thick and beautiful yeah ever hurt the ozone layer

there's so much there's so much uh stuff to heat up yeah you don't have to worry about global warming yeah there's so much to absorb it the earth is huge yeah what are you even talking about it should be fine yeah what's one smokestack yeah don't worry about it yeah so um yeah this little ocean absorbs that stuff anyways yeah what are we talking about yeah uh burn more jet fuel yeah i mean one of the huge problems of this is like you think data centers are expensive now. Right. What about when you have to launch them into space? Yeah, what are we, like, what this is the thing that's like killing me about this whole

idea is what are we even talking about? Well, we're talking about infinite budgets for AI. So if your budget for AI is infinite and all of the people on Earth is going to ban you from building data centers, you're just going to launch them into space. I think that's like the real argument is you know what, New York, you know what, Texas, you know what, everywhere else that is putting memorandums. on building data centers and whatever. Put them in space.

But then it's even stupider than that though, Luke, because you could also put them in Antarctica. And then all you would need is communication satellites. Like just, and then that takes care of the cooling. I don't think you can. But I understand any point. Even northern Canada, whatever.

Sure. I understand any point. But it just, yeah, I mean, that's why, that's why, what's their name? that's why Hetzner has their second main data center in the Nordic region. Because they're just like, oh, yeah, we can just air cool everything for like most of the year. And I pretty much guarantee you that within reason, anything terrestrial is going to be better than sticking it up into space. Okay, that's not necessarily true, actually.

Ben 34 said I'm surprised you guys haven't mentioned latency being a problem. It's actually a lot of this sort of problem than you think. Yeah. That's why Starlink is actually pretty effective. Yeah. It's not the, it's, the latency is, I think, I think is a really easy gotcha. But it's also really easy to counter. For AI tasks?

Yeah, exactly. It's good enough to return a response to, you know, how much wood could a wood chuck, if a wood chuck could chuck wood. Like, it's fine for that. Great question. And I, to me, me the bigger issues are cooling. Not that there's no way to cool them, but just that we're talking about these colossal. Like here's the thing. Out of the two sides of their mouths, the same

the same AI drum beaters will tell you that AI data centers in space is a great idea and the cooling is a solved problem, and then also be building data centers that are like so with an atmosphere, like with actual other molecules to bump up against

and transfer thermal energy to that cooling these things is a huge challenge and really costly and really energy intensive and really difficult. It's like, okay. Oh, which one is it? Because it can't be both.

If you're talking, we're using super energy-efficient hardware in orbit that we can cool with relative ease, then that's fine. You know, we have these like giant radiation arrays or radiator arrays, right? If you're talking the kind of energy density, like I was reading on Serve the Home, apparently the guess for AMD's latest instinct GPU or, Is it even a GPU? AI processor. The estimate that Patrick had was 2,000 watts each.

What was the total thermal dissipation capacity of the ISS? It's not much. According to the AI overview, so make of that what you will, it's about 70,000 watts. So what? 35 G. GPUs with the have you seen there have you seen their dissipation array on the ISS it's huge and that doesn't even account for any of the supporting infrastructure for those GPUs it's just it's just fucking asinine

I that's actually something I'm not super aware of is the dissipation array I know they have the crazy solar panel array it's big yeah I believe it's big because I know I know this one I looked this up but like the the temperature swings of the ISS can be really, really wild. Yeah. Like the shady side can be like negative, a huge amount of degrees and the side face in the sun for a really long time can be like the surface, surface temperature can be just extremely hot. Yeah, it's wild.

Wild, wild. It's a fun thought experiment. Yeah, Magi 99 goes, you have 2,000 watt GPUs? I don't. But here, hold on. What is it? the MI 355X? Is that the new one that's just coming out,

like just announced? No. Well, dang it, what's the, what's the new one? Newest AMD, this was like just this week. New instinct announcement. MI 455X. Yeah, Patrick from Served the Home estimated that it could be as high as 2,000 watts per GPU.

Like, this is what I'm talking about. And there is no sign whatsoever. that the energy use of these processors is going down. If anything, the entire industry is looking at them going, this number is going up. They're talking about putting microchannels into the dyes to get liquid into the fucking dyes to take the heat away. And we're talking, oh, I'm going to use a solar heat radiation array.

What the fuck are you talking about? and to be clear I'm not saying you couldn't do it I'm not saying you couldn't do it I'm just saying obviously it is cheaper to do it on the ground obviously so okay good luck with that

Wiley Draft says it's an engineering problem but it's an engineering problem that there is no need to solve because there's actually a lot of terrestrial places that don't have a data center yet. And like, look, I know that one of the arguments is that you've got solar power that is unimpeded by the inconvenient atmosphere down here. Right?

Solar power. Solar power is good. Right? But that's yet another giant array that you're going to have to have on this thing. And like, again, literally, like, how, sorry, how big it does this solar power need to be to do my, to do my 35 GPUs to do 70,000 watts

so these things are like they're basically going to look like tie fighters you'll have your little data center you'll have your like dissipation you'll have your power array they just want the lawlessness

of space says crowd I mean I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of it yeah uh I think I think Slop fighter

Yeah Evicus says Why not build a data center on a mountain Like this is what This is exactly what I'm talking about Yes we could solve the problem Of data center in space But why don't we just use those resources

To solve the problem of data center in the Arctic Or data center on a mountain Like there's There are other places we could go That we do not need a rocket ship to get to I think they just want to fly their rocket ships I think it's mostly just a fun question. Yeah.

Because if you take it not super seriously, but then the more seriously you take it, the kind of fun it is at the same time. And I think this is a very like San Francisco kind of thing where like you want to think even bigger. Yeah, accelerationism or whatever. Like let's just have fun with this thought experiment. And then maybe we do do it. Who knows?

But I think, you know, running power and internet infrastructure to somewhere in like, like Northern BC or something or the Yukon or whatever. Northwest Territories data centers makes more sense to me than flying rockets for huge sets of hardware infrastructure and then dealing with, oh, you know, a chunk of some other data center just ripped off 12 of your solar panels and now your data center just shut down. That sucks. Time to launch a rocket about it. Um, what are we talking about, man? What are we talking about? And then you've got, uh, you've got, uh, Russia showing off their new, uh, their new beam thing that can shut down SpaceX satellites. So that'll be convenient. Yeah,

yeah, everyone should have known things like that were going to be a goal. The second everyone on the planet saw how incredibly important SpaceX is to the war in Ukraine. Like the second you saw that, the second you saw how impactful it was cutting Ukraine off of it. Or Russia. Both. The second you saw, I was just going to say that as the second one, the second, you saw how impactful cutting both sides off from it was, then, you know, that's a massive bat signal to Russia. That's a massive bat signal to China to make sure that they have some ability to shut this thing

down. Cool. I mean, even Sputnik. Like the Americans were like, oh God, what is this weapon of war? Yeah. Like, I mean, kind of, I don't blame them at the height of the Cold War. Not at all. Yeah.

Bernardo Baruch says political wandshow, question mark. This is not political. This is just a fact. It's a fact that when a potential threat emerges and is very, it's very obvious to everyone, how threatening it is that someone will try and figure out how to counter said threat. That's just, you know, that's just a thing that happens. But there have also been lots of ideas for things in space that haven't become a thing, even though they might be an interesting thought experiment. Have you never heard of this before? I haven't heard rods from God.

Project Thor, just huge, dumb, I'm saying dumb because there's There's no, as far as my understanding goes, there's no electronics on them or anything. They're just tungsten rods they put in space. Then the idea would be that you just kind of drop it. And then it's a tungsten rod coming from space. So just needs to kind of whack into something and it's gone. That was the idea. So this just turns whatever you don't like into a crater.

Yeah. Okay. Kinetic bomb. Someone said that in chat. That is, I think, generally they're referred to. The problem is, is it's a giant tungsten. and rot. You just put little pieces at a time up there.

You need to get into space. Yeah, it was a, it was, um, it's a very old idea. And it was ditched a long time ago because it turns out things like ICBMs are actually just a lot more reasonable than a rack of massive tungsten rods that you just keep in space for some reason. Do we need Veritasium to be the one to tell us that data centers in space are not, not economical and will never be economical. They won't listen to him.

I know. They're not going to listen to anybody. Can I throw a weird take out there? I think someone's going to do it to some degree. Oh yeah. Oh, there's no question. I wouldn't even be surprised if there was like little practice versions. Yep. Like a Jeff Gehrling style.

I'm going to make my data center, but it's going to be out of like cube stats. And then. Yeah, Cube stats. There we go. There are even ways that it could make. sense. Like that's something I'd like to make very clear right now is I'm not even anti-progress or like I hate the idea. Like a perfect example of something that it could be useful for is having some data storage sitting on a Starlink satellite. If I was someone like a Netflix, for instance,

could there could there be a benefit to putting my data closer to the customer? Yeah. I mean, remember, remember. Dude, the sum of the this makes fun pivot is, or some of this makes sense pivot is going to be a really fun part of this conversation. Because like, do you, do you remember when Netflix first started rolling out boxes with their entire library closer to the home? Yeah. Yeah, they're really cool. Yeah, they're super cool. And the Netflix film library is actually not very big. Yeah. So, you know, if every Starlink satellite had, you know, a dozen hard drive bays on it and someone wanted to, you know, to

someone wanted to cash important data closer to these rural customers, I could see something like that making a ton of sense.

Maybe not actually for Netflix because the latency doesn't really matter so cutting down on one trip might not be, but I don't know,

maybe it would make sense. Whatever is a super high percentage of your traffic is going to make sense to minimize how many hops it takes. And so,

yeah, or even having a small amount of compute there. Like we're gonna, I hope we get to the point where I can just have my AI beyond device. But if we don't get there and if, you know, satellite cellular phones become more of a thing, which I'd be super into because better coverage. Why not? I can open my freaking garage door.

That would be great, right? So if you had to put a little bit of compute on the satellite instead of, you know, on the data center, that it then has to like hop over to. That's not a data center though. That's not a data center. But that could help. So you have a little bit of, I think you could make the argument.

I think what's going to happen is they're going to move the goalposts to well, every Starlink satellite has some storage and some compute on it. We've had a data center space this whole time. Now we're data center and space company. Now we're worth two trillion.

When it comes to space data centers, they don't have to all be physical. magically linked together. I mean, Starlink satellites are linked together. This is what I'm saying. Optical layer is more effective in space. I could see that goalpost move happening.

Yeah, I could see that. And honestly, that makes a lot more sense. It was mind-blowing to me that, and I think I've talked to you about this before, but when the ISS was talking to the Orion shuttle, so Artemis 2, basically everyone watched it, when they were moving around, they had a call with the ISS.

I just assumed, because I know they have optical networking that this would be like point to point to both of them. I read the same article you did, I think. I didn't read an article on this. Oh, I came across something that talked about this though.

So I assumed it was going to be really fast. It wasn't, there was like six seconds of delay. But I was trying to figure out, okay, what's happening here? Because where is six seconds coming from? Because if you look at the light time to get to Earth, so okay, let's assume it's going to Earth and then back up.

If you look at the light time involved with that, still shouldn't be six seconds. Six seconds is a lot. And it was a very, very big delay. Turns out they're still using like stuff from, I'm going top of dome right now, so I'm not really going to remember. But it's like the 70s or 80s. Like it's deep space network from like a bazillion years ago. And it's like muxing and processing time is like a massive part of that equation. It's crazy.

So I could see, you know, Okay, we want to freaking base on the moon bros. We might need to, you know, update some of our infrastructure maybe for once. Maybe NASA might need more than 0.4% of the U.S. budget. And they update things like the Deep Space Network so that we can maybe communicate within space and then bounce things back down, et cetera. And that might need more of these types of things. But I still don't feel like I'm looking at data center in space. what most people think of as a data center

and then I'm just copy and pasting that but the layer is now space instead of ground. You won't hear an argument from either of us that there should be no compute in space. Yeah, there already is. There already is and there should be more. Probably. But

data center has a very specific maybe not even meaning but it definitely has a very specific connotation. And some of the pictures and stuff that people have released from some of these brainstorming sessions are what you're thinking of, which is like massive physical thing. Very stupid.

Yeah. But some distributed compute network that is effectively like Starlink 2 or something like that could totally make sense. They did say they wanted to build satellite internet over the moon before we sent people to live there. Oh yeah, there's tons of stages to Artemis and stuff. I just... Yeah.

I'd just be talking. All right. Tor, a nonprofit organization. focused on protecting people's privacy and helping them bypass internet censorship has a new Android app called Snowflake Volunteer. This is pretty cool. It's kind of like the news recently

where major TV brands got busted for having crappy malware apps in their stores that were basically turning your TV into an endpoint for like a narrow do well like proxy network except the good version this is the the Jedi version of that

CIF monstrosity so it's called Snowflake Volunteer and it lets you share your internet connection to help users in censored countries get online Snowflake works by disguising censored users tour traffic so it's harder for governments or network

operators to identify and block it Connections are routed through short-lived volunteer-operated proxies. A broker will automatically find another proxy if one is blocked. Here's an even simpler summary. It's pretty much like an internet relay system that helps folks get on the internet around censorship of their connection. The app makes volunteering pretty easy. Users can leave it running in the background and share some bandwidth

without having to set up complicated infrastructure. Daily unique proxy IPs have already risen from about 1,300 in May, to 1700 in June, a 29% increase according to Tor. It's available on Google Play and FDroid, and its source code is publicly available, which is pretty cool. Obviously, when you're deciding to trust a technology like this, you know, I can't personally say that I've poured over every line of the source code,

but it being open source and nonprofit, and I mean, Tor, I mean, I've heard of them, I think contributes to a greater degree of trust that I would have in a project like this. And it seems like it's a pretty noble cause compared to, you know, using your internet connection to collect more data and sell more advertising and just generally be crappy

and like coordinate bot attacks and that sort of thing. Yeah. Hey, speaking of third-party app stores, Google Play Store starts distributing third-party app stores. That's happening. After a long court battle, Google is opening the Play Store to third-party app and game stores in the U.S. They will only be accessible via links or direct searches, and Google says they will enforce their policies from the Play Store on these third-party stores, but will not review every app in these stores, nor will they handle updates or payments. Installing a store is basically like installing any other Android app, and the first third-party store, not an endorsement, haven't even looked at it, is called, apt-eyed games.

Okay. Never heard of that. 9 to 5, Google reported that the only additional step when using a third-party app store is accepting the install prompt after the app is downloaded. These changes come as Google prepares to lock down the Play Store to verify developers only, and it's not yet clear how third-party stores will or won't be impacted by the new developer rules.

You know, if there's one thing that Epic did that made me happy. It was finally addressing the absolute garbage fire of App Store and Play Store policies on iOS and AdRyd respectively. They were, it was, it was, it frustrated me more than it probably should have, um, because to me it was very, very, very, very, very, very painfully obvious that there was monopolistic antitrust stuff going on with both of them. watching people just try so hard to lick the boots of these multi, in some case, trillion-dollar corporations that they ended up lodged in their rectums. Like, I just can't, it was, it was so hard for me to watch people defend Apple and Google's behavior around this stuff. And it's just, it's glad, it makes me extremely glad that some semblance of regulation still works a little bit.

I'm not sure if it actually made it into the dock for this week, but Apple is still being kind of a little bitch about their ruling and they're trying to kind of drag their butts and stuff. But the change is happening. The change is happening. Speaking about change, this is a bit of a shorter show. Did we announce these? We did, right?

No. Oh. I think it's time for those. We really should. All right. Right, this week, we've got so many new products on LTT store. And if you guys want to get a, if you guys want to get a checkout message in, you're probably going to want to do it pretty, pretty, pretty quick styles here.

The Foundation Collection, these are, I actually can't show the store and show my notes at the same time. Do you want it? Oh, he's on it. Basically, it's a three-piece lineup of everyday staples with something for active days, something for laid-back days, and something for those days when you want to look a little more put-together. If you're an active person and need a solid foundation piece for your closet, the quick dry sport t-shirt is the one to grab. I've been actually using it very regularly for my badminton sessions, and the moisture wicking quick-drying fabric keeps up, while the reglin sleeves give your arms more room to move, helping reduce underarm chafing.

That's a big thing for me when I'm moving my arms around. I need really good mobility all the way up, all the way down, all the way forward, all the way back, and there's a little bit of stretch to the fabric as well. It's really nice. Yeah. For a more put-together look, the half-zip sweatshirt is made with our comfortable French Terry fabric. Same as our blank hoodie.

It has a half-zip, a canga pocket, and a hidden phone pocket, because apparently one pocket is not enough. Oh, put together, this guy looks... Actually, it looks pretty sleek. Looks pretty put together. It looks pretty good. The minimal hoodie is a more elevated take on the everyday hoodie. with a sleek, clean look, premium-feeling fabric,

stretch for comfort, and a draw-cord-free hood. You can check out the foundation collection at LMG.g-G-slash foundation. But wait, there's more. We've also got this month's graphic T-launching, and it's a nostalgic one. The, Can I Help, T-shirt, is a little trip back to the days when your computer's most persistent co-worker

was a paper clip that offered unsolicited advice. It's printed on our classic polyblend tea so you get the nostalgia without having to dig out Office XP You can check it out at LMG.g g slash can I help? This one was really intended for the folks out there who are asked so often for tech support.

I just, I imagine the IT guy at his desk just with one of these. It says everything you need to say. It's like, yeah, I don't really want to help you and honestly I might not end up being that helpful but it's my job so

okay we had some we had some way more we had some way darker copy that potentially went with like a like a clippy design at some point but ultimately decided to go with something more helpful

yeah like it was I think we had one that was going to be like have you have you considered just ending it or something like that Like a dark, clippy. Have you considered end task? Yeah, basically, yeah, it was, or like, have you considered powering off? Or, like, something like that.

We had something along those lines. Altif for yourself. That might have, that might have been thrown around. We were, we were, like, we were in a mood. We were in a mood. Seems like it. I think you guys made the right choice. Yeah, we went with, can of help.

No, they didn't. No, we, I think we made the right choice. Didn't make the right choice for me. Both choices? And then float plane. Oh, right. Yes. Float plane. Which I need to read.

Oh, okay. Next week is Linus's birthday. It says watch video. Yeah, should we load that up? I suppose. Do we watch that first and then I read it? We need audio. Oh, ready, Dan?

Why don't we get audio today? There was something that happened last week as well. issue with the internal routing was left on again. Okay. And so the sub-mix breaks, unfortunately. But they can hear it. Good chat.

Okay. Hello. Next week is my birthday. Celebrate with me. Sorry. Sorry. This is on me. Hello.

Next week is my birthday. Celebrate with me at at lmg.g.g.g.g. slash unclinus. I was wondering what that was. Even once I was crossing the border, the border guy was like, hey, did Lyons fix your bed? You guys really put that on the building. Does Yvonne know about this?

Yeah, she saw it. There was a fully nude onsen in the building. Linus could have gone with me, but didn't want me to see his dong, even though I lived in his house and heard him do many things for years. Oh, yeah, that poster. Yeah, D-Brand called you that. You are 40. Oh, and, oh, sorry, yeah. Oh, my goodness.

I didn't know you already reacted to those videos. But anyways, next week is Linus's birthday. And to celebrate, we have four. That is right. Four videos compared to our normal two. Sammy says that this is because he's a narcissist. The first, even though it was, it says it's because he's a narcissist. But Sammy made the decision.

So. Yeah, I had nothing to do with any of this. Literally at all. So I don't know what that says about Sammy. But hey, you know, the first video has been out since yesterday. It's the raw video of creators. sharing memorable moments with Linus, video submitted by former LMG employees,

Jerry Rigg Everything, MKBHD and Level 1 text and more. Apparently we're just saying their channel names, not their names, but hey, you know, that works. Good job, Sammy. Monday will have Linus's reaction of the video, and there's a bit more cringe in that than not,

especially the fact that he would not show me his dong when we were in Japan. That was very cringe. Cringe. Wednesday. We will showcase the LNG rebranding. What? And the day... Sammy's notes are so hard to read.

I make it look relatively easy, don't I? Better than his team's messages. Wednesday, we will showcase the LNG rebranding and the day after, which is Linus's actual birthday. Thanks. We'll be a community gaming session with Linus from 3.30 to 5.30, really? To really thank everyone for supporting Linus and LMG.

Not 100% locked, but we'll be playing a mix of tape to tape, Halo Infinite, Pico Park, and Gang Beast. How the heck are you going to handle the lobbies for that? I don't know. That'll be my problem. That's what I just said. I had nothing to do with any of this. That's crazy.

I learned about this like yesterday. Anyways, don't miss the event of the year at LMG.g.g.g. slash unclinus. And in case anyone is wondering, yes, the unclinus sign will be out for the entire week at the front of the building. Yeah, that is actually on the building right now. Yep And he couldn't even use a high resolution

version of the wide line of image Have you looked at it? I'm pretty sure that is intentional It is so crap I would definitely try to Recompress the JPEG

to be like You know the sign manufacturer comes back And they're like This is really low quality And they're like Yep It's so bad

Can you make it worse? Yeah I mean Knowing Sammy That might have genuinely been intentional I believe it Yep

I'm gonna give him The benefit of the day I think I'll give him The benefit of the doubt for sure This is cool researchers at L-I-R-M, a French robotics and computer science lab in Montpellier

connected some slices of post-mortem adult brain tissue to a piano-playing robot and taught the tissue to play notes. Sick. The setup is called an OPAB? Opab. An organotypic culture of post-mortem adult brain explant. That is way longer of a sentence than a four-letter acronym, but okay.

It's a fancy way of saying, a slice of donated brain that's kept functioning in a dish on a bed of microelectrodes. The robot side is an anthropomorphic hand plus a microphone acting as an ear. During training, the system let the tissue associate the robot playing piano keys with the sounds that those presses made. In testing, a human played notes and the brain tissue controlled the robot hand to imitate them. The learning was unsupervised, meaning nobody programmed the associated. in. The neurons formed it themselves. This builds on the same team's

2024 finding that these post-mortem brain slices still retains synaptic plasticity, the basic mechanism behind learning and memory. This is a pre-print that has not been peer-reviewed yet. The tissue is a small slice and not a full brain and there's no awareness or consciousness involved, just neurons doing what neurons do when they're stimulated. The pitch from the researchers is an animal-free way to study human neural circuits and it sits alongside other biological computing work like Australia's CL1 computer which was built on lab grown neurons. Crazy.

The reception to this has been polarized. There's people who are like, wow, this is great. I can't wait for this future on the one hand. And on the other hand, there's, I hate this, turn it off now. I want, stop the ride, I want to get off. And there's nothing in between as far as I can tell. I will not be taking a position. YouTube's AI slop detector has incorrectly targeted

Kursigas, I can never pronounce it. Yes, thank you. As other creators fear the same fate. Kersakasak, that's how you pronounce it, right? Kuzgzak. Thank you. The 23 million subscriber science channel, amazing, by the way.

that hand animates videos over months with a full team of artists revealed that YouTube's automatic AI detection tools flagged its work as AI slop and quietly throttled the channel. Its Super Predator video became the channel's worst performing upload since 2013, but the audience data looked strong

with above average click-through and solid watch time. The video simply wasn't getting recommended. When Kursigasat... I can't say this word. Go. Kersak. Thank you. Contacted YouTube. The company confirmed that the AI detector was the cause,

and the channel has since pulled the video to rework and re-upload it, which is a crazy solution. The detector probably misfired because... Kurskazacht. Flat, clean vector style is exactly what AI slop channels imitate, since it's cheap to fake. So a detector trained on the imitation caught the original that inspired it. Kurtzkyzok took it in stride,

saying they support blocking actual slop, and called their YouTube contacts helpful and transparent. Khrzkazok had people at YouTube to call, but most channels don't. Analytics firm Vid IQ highlighted that gap, noting that a channel that big can find and correct the problem, but smaller ones can't, and pointed to a 5 million subscriber creator

who went through a similar unexplained decline. Dozens of creators in the replies to... Kurskazaks. Noted that their reach was completely dead and fear that they've been hit with the same flag with no way to confirm or fight it. I don't really have anything to say about that other than that blows. One of the crazy bits is a, only a channel that big can find and correct it. Putting a smaller example of a five million subscriber creator is like, what?

I know. My God. So basically, you can't fix it unless you have to. to be enormous mega channel. Or you're screwed. Yep. Valve is expanding SteamOS support to several gaming handhelds.

SteamOS 3.8.25 beta adds initial game pad support for the Intel powered MSI Claw 8EX AI Plus, the IANeo Pocket S2, and the Conquer Fit, plus updated controller support for the One Player X apex. The claw is notable because SteamOS has been AMD only territory until very recently,

and the Pocket S2, is notable because it's an arm-based Android handheld, which lines up pretty neatly with the arm compatibility work that Valve just shipped with Lepton and Fex in preparation for the launch of the Steam frame. None of this means that everything works perfectly, however. Wi-Fi, audio, sleep, and drivers can still be rough, and only the Steam Deck and LegionGo S have fully baked support. The same update bundles new Steam Machine firmware fixing a bug where CPU performance stayed reduced

after waking from sleep. Actually, oh, we encountered that when we were working on our review. So I'm glad to see that they fixed it, which we said they probably would, so that's great. Along with fixes for HGMI audio dropouts and Bluetooth latency.

Discussion question. Valve is slowly making SteamOS run on everybody's hardware. Ignoring the anti-cheat elephant in the room, is there any reason left to keep Windows on a handheld? I still run it on mine, and it...

Some game compatibility is still going to be rough. It does not enhance the experience. The AMD-based stuff of most handhelds will help with that a lot. But there are still some games that just aren't going to be a thing. You're not going to be playing Valerent. I don't know if you want to be playing Valorant on a handheld. So maybe it doesn't matter much. I don't run into this stuff that often.

The main thing I run into is Nvidia problems more than Linux compatibility problems. That's just from having an Nvidia GPU. Windows latest finds that Windows 11 use. uses five times more memory for its ad-laden weather widget than macOS equivalent. That's pretty funny. In other Windows news, Justin Marshall released a native version of 1990s Word 1.1A for a Windows 11 on GitHub. And I thought this was pretty fun because I think that was on Tech Radar. Yeah.

Hold on. It's in here somewhere. How much RAM it uses? Hold on. One megabyte of RAM. on Windows 11. That's amazing. I wonder how usable it is.

Honestly, when I'm writing documents, I use shockingly few features. And this is something that you can totally run, totally legally. Microsoft released the source code for this. So Buddy ported it. It's apparently a bit of a pain in the butt to get it running.

Like there's some, um, uh, there's like some terminal involved or something like that. Um, you need PowerShell. I don't know. I haven't actually tried to do it,

but it, I just thought that was pretty cool. I'm surprised, there's no pictures in here. What does it look like? Word 1.1 is going to look pretty rough. Yeah. Here, I'm just going to look up. Word 1.1 interface.

Dying. Yeah, you do not actually want to work in that right now. Yeah, maybe. Oh. Yeah. Can he, is it even, I mean, it's probably not even, you insert a picture? Maybe not. I think we'd probably have to make our way to...

I'm trying to think. When did they... Oh, man, I never really thought about this. All versions of Microsoft Word. Oh, we should switch to After Dark. That's it for topics, Dan. Math co-processer. That's awesome. Oh, my God. Dude, this should be labs charts now.

We should make them look like this. Yeah. Oh, my God. Word perfect. Actually sick. It's pretty readable. I think Word 97 is about as far back as I could go and still actually want to use it. That looks totally fine.

That looks very usable. Lotus notes. Let's get some Lotus notes. I think I could deal with this. No problem. So really fancy notepad. Yep. That looks like a computer program to me.

Yeah, me too. Pug Boy says, fun fact, word perfect is still around. Nice. Darn. All right. Hit me, Dan. Hello, Linus, Luke, and Dan, uh, normal names. Love listening to the show on my way to work.

My question is, what hard experience at the beginning of building LM made the biggest impact on the company for you today? Or you, the company or you? At the beginning. Hiring Luke. Aw, that's such a nice answer. That was a very hard experience. Yeah, it wasn't hard, though.

Well. Luke, you need more practice. Right into after dark. Oh, yeah. You know what? I'm going to go with the, whether it ultimately was a good thing or not, I don't know,

but the decision to move out of the garage and spend everything that we had made so far and what we intended to make for months and months on a new space. That culture of just like, okay, take everything we made and dump it right back into the company. company, okay, do it again. Okay, do it again was what ultimately led to major successes like

backpack and screwdriver. So that, that willingness to just go, okay, I've got all these chips. I'm going to play them. I'm going to play them all. But no, I'm going to just bet, bet hard. I'll drive the Civic another year. Bet hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think for me, I've been doing this 10 years before I finally like bought the, car, you know? Yeah, you took a minute. And Luke had to convince you. I don't think Luke tried to convince me.

I don't think so. Luke thinks my car's stupid. Kind of. Yeah, it is stupid. That's fine, though. I know, I also think you're entirely within your rights to buy a stupid car. I think I remember you. I'm 40, baby.

Yeah, it's like, whatever, dude. It's fine. I don't judge you for it. I just, you know, it's not my thing. Yeah. But that's okay. I think for me, unironically, it was a 700 series launch.

Oh, yeah. I knew it was going to be the GPU. Yeah. Yeah, the Titan. I had to grow a lot as a person in learning about that stuff. Because now suddenly it, like, you know, we took it seriously when we were part of Insanex, but now it was like our thing. Yeah, no, but like actually if we don't do it right and die. If I, if I, if I, if I, if I bleep that properly, yeah, we're all just like dead.

And it's like, oh, wow, this is like very serious. Let's go crawling back to NCIX? Like, what are we talking about here? There was no route. It was, you know, I go back to school. Ed goes back to school and you find a job somewhere else. Like it was, it was. So there was a lot of pressure on there.

Do or die, baby. That was the, that was a massive expansion in the amount of tests and what we tested for a GPU launch compared to normal. If I remember correctly, you like wore a lab coat for that video because we were like trying to hit the, like, really hit it home. of like this is a step. Yeah, that's pretty cool. And that was like, yeah, I don't know, if I remember correctly, I didn't sleep for like a really weird amount of time, like three days or something. And I remember one night I was so tired and had to stay awake.

So I ate through an entire tub of peanut butter and a full box of wheat thins. I don't. And just like lived off of just calories. I don't think I would have been happy if I'd known you did that. I'm pretty sure I told you afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. Got her done. You're still here, baby. That was a moment. I had already, like, you know, locked in multiple times, but that was a moment where I was like, I'm just going to do whatever to, like, try to make this work. We got her done. Yeah.

Man, we released so many videos on that card. Remember back when a new GP launch was exciting and people were happy about it? Dude, the 700 series was very exciting, though. Very exciting. Actually, that was a. sick release. I think you're actually thinking of 600 series though. I thought it was the 70.

The first one when we got in the garage, right? Was that 600? No, no, no, I think you're right. I think it was 700. Wait, was it 600? Which one was the first generation to have a Titan? This is our video on 680. Oh.

It's got to be, it's got, oh my God, that's. 14 years ago, so 2012, no. No. 680. It would have been. Yeah, 700 then. Yeah, you're right. 780.

That's it. New King, this one. That's it. 12 years ago. I think I shot that B-roll because I don't think Brandon worked here yet. I'm sure you did. When I was done the testing, I just like died. I slept for like a day.

Wait, hotspot shield, though. That came later. No, it must be. It must be Titan. I think you're thinking of Titans. How do you search for Titan on the channel? It's going to bring up so much other stuff. Why do companies have to call everything the same thing?

Go down. Not this one. Keep going. It was silver. Keep going, keep going. Oh, GTX Titan. That's the unboxing of it. That's the unboxing.

Yeah, keep going then. You'll find it. You'll find it. Is that Little Man? That's crazy. Yeah, I know, right. It kills me. That's wild.

I know. Okay, and a bunch of crap that's totally unrelated. Thanks, YouTube. Not what I was looking for. Unbelievable. It's also crazy to me that the unboxing is the only thing that really surfaced. It's just completely unrelated things now. Another fun game is like, no matter what you say,

search for with my name in it. How far do you scroll before? Yeah, before you come across, like a drama, a drama video. Yeah. That's a good point. Okay. Crazy. Yeah. It was, it was tightened though. It was, yeah, we were just like, all hands on deck, all six total hands, plus Yvonne being on Matt leave, I don't know, doing the account thing. We were trying to do dual camera shoots at that time and stuff too. Like, things were, things were kind of crazy. We had ideas. Yeah. But you did it. Yeah, we're still here, baby. Hi, Dad, Dad, and Dan at Linus.

Thanks for raising me. It is concerning that I see you more than my own dad, even though he's the CEO of the company I work at. P.S., how's it going with the ADD meds? I have not actually tried them yet. What the hell, dude? My wife was out of town, so I got confused about how getting medications works

and so I didn't get them. Well, my doctor didn't mention it to me. If you need drug advice, just let me know. My doctor didn't mention it to me because I guess it's just like routine but apparently she just faxes the script straight to the pharmacy that we like usually go to which I wasn't sure which one it was

because I don't know where medication come from. No, actually, I did know. I did know which one, because sometimes I pick up things for other people. I haven't been on many medications, but I have kids that get sick sometimes. But I didn't think about it.

I just got off the call. She was like, yeah, I'll get that for you. And I was like, okay. And then I didn't know, like, where I would get the prescription from. So Yvonne came home and was like, hey, did you ever get that thing from the doctor? And I was like, no.

And she was like, oh, okay, would you like me to grab it next time I'm in town and I was like yes please thank you lady and then she got it for me I'm sorry I know I haven't tried it yet though I know I'm derailing us and bringing us back to something we should be moving on from but I found some of them nice surround performance review 3D vision gaming review I remember when cards had that we just did everything 1080p was a separate video and they're like seven minutes four minutes man the thumbnail is just a graph That's crazy.

I know. 1600P got a whole video. 60P video by itself, 10 minutes long. I don't think 4K was a thing yet. I'm pretty sure there was more videos than just these as well. They're just not surfacing. But yeah, we went really hard. Yep.

Anyways. Early Wandshow means I can reach out before Sabbath again. Nice. Any updates on the tech detox you talked about last time. P.S., there's lots of cool tech for Sabbath. Sabbath, including specific home assistant plugins. Oh. that's interesting.

So as long as whatever I do doesn't count his work, my home assistant could do something for me. Hmm. It doesn't. Trey's interesting. Wasn't there or something that you couldn't have somebody else

do work for you? Not sure. I can't remember all the rules. I can't either. I never knew them. Well, I only, I mean, I can't remember the rules that I learned

the last time we talked about this on WAN. I didn't know them. It was just people in chat were kind of like explaining stuff. I think you can't manually get the work to start. Yeah, but then you could employ somebody to like cook for you and turn on light switches and follow you around. I think kind of defeats the purpose. But you're not employing a person.

You're forcing a machine to do that for you. Yeah, chat says it depends on the rabbi. Some of them don't like switches or relays closing even. Oh. Because you're connecting something together, which is like, I don't know. Yeah. Tech detox? I have not gotten there yet.

I don't think you ever will. I did have a week off. What were you going to do to tech detox? We were talking about doing like a tech detox. Oh, right. We were both going to like go away and not. Yeah. Yeah, I gave that literally zero thought ever since we last talked about it.

But hey, I, um. it is progressively becoming more possible for me, which is interesting. My work is getting more time consuming and more all consuming. And it's also getting more possible for me to step away from it for periods of time, which is those things happening at the same time is very strange. But I think it's true. How do I edit this? People on my team is getting really good.

Yeah. Is essentially what that means. Yeah. Which is awesome. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to send Dan Okay, how do I edit this? How do I edit the stupid photo?

Yeah, here it is. Okay, perfect. Oh, I hate how the image editor in Teams, if you drag the corner, it assumes you mean just that corner and then it's so hard to grab the top bar. Okay, so, I mean, this is my version of detox. My chickens are big now. Yep.

They're big girls. One, it turns out, is a roost. Oh, you got dinner in the works. What the heck? There's my chickies. Whoa! Hey babies. They have small crowns.

That's cute. And then since we're just like putting pictures of Linus's pets on the stream, here's a shot of my cat that I took the other night that I thought was pretty funny. He's just chilling. Cats are so weird. He was just sitting there like that. I was like, what the heck, man? You're not even like.

What do you do? You don't even look comfortable. I went to that 1080P performance. Not nothing, I'm just looking at my cat. I went to the 10ityP performance video for GTX Titan because I was wondering what the comments were like. Yeah. Look who I randomly.

Oh. Jack Septic Eye. Nice. With 13 likes somehow. Oh, my goodness. That's good. Have fun wasting all that money. That's nice.

What's his net worth now, I wonder? Oh, just a crazy amount, I'm sure. Yeah, that's awesome. But yeah, wild. All right, hit me, Dan. Yeah, what are we got? Oh, yeah, sorry, I got distracted by the cat. 2027 Global Ram is completely sold out.

Luke, since you're good with this, can you make a prediction for when this will be over? Not because I think you'll be right. I just want some hope, please. Love this show. I don't think you enforce these predictions. They just kind of come out of nowhere. Just give us false hope. I think it's a while yet.

I think we're looking, if it was before this time, 2028, I think I would be stunned. And my reasoning for that is even if things crash, it's going to take a lot of time to kind of reset. And a lot of this is contract pricing. Yes. So it will take a hot minute for this to correct. I think, you know, I've been talking like, oh, maybe China will save us in regards to RAM prices. If they do, it's going to take a while. And with that said, though, sometimes change happens really, really slowly and then all at once.

A major insolvency or like a major, like an Enron scale crash of an individual company could trigger a chain reaction. We don't know. And there do be some companies with Enron type math going on at the moment. So it could happen. It's very difficult to predict right now. Fascinating. I think if somebody was like, oh, my company. builds a lot of systems and I'm going to buy and hoard a bunch of RAM right now.

I think it would be pretty hard to very confidently argue in either direction of whether that was a good idea or a bad idea. And like this was true a while ago. We were talking internally about how we we bought 20 extra laptops in December of 2025 for the company. I remember at the time that was like really risky. Kind of crazy actually, yeah. But we were worried. And Yeah, my kids, oh, my kids need new Chromebooks for back to school. And they're going to suck. And they're, yeah, they're going to totally suck or they're going to be really expensive. Framework doesn't make a Chromebook anymore.

As I was, as I was like, looking at the options, I was like, oh, I wish I'd grabbed a framework last time because then I could just fix this issue that I have on my daughters. And they don't make one anymore. Anyway, sorry, carry on. Yeah. And, you know, luckily that bet worked out really well. Yeah. And it's really easy to look back and be like, oh, I,

I wish we bought more. And it's like, yeah, but then buying more would have just been incurring more risk. And there was no way that we could have fully known in December of last year what the heck was going to happen over these insane eight months that we've gone through. So, I don't know. It is what it is. I'm happy we bought those. That's nice. It's saved us a bunch of money already.

It's effectively bought us multiple laptops, which is cool. Nice. But, like, yeah. Dan, if you're going to have, I think of battles. Dan, if you're going to have my pussy there, can you also put my car? It's the black one. Sure. Oh, so now I get to see it.

All you have to do is ask. Thanks, Dan. Oh, yeah, merch messages. Do you want me to read it out? No, I'm not going to read a merch message. I'm going to read a comm. Nice. Hey, LDL, I've been shopping for home battery backups and solar panels,

and it seems most of the major companies seem to be under the same umbrella company. Linus, how's your DIY battery going? Oh, I'm so glad you asked because I had a long meeting with Pancratz and Frey earlier this week, and we have everything we need to build the economical custom packs

that are going to be way safer than the, it's just the one in the front, the black one. Oh, sorry. That's fine. That's good enough. I can't crop that smallest, far too big. Yeah, the other one. or hens. Nice. Yep.

That's my cock. I'll just put that here. Perfect. Okay. Yeah, so we've got everything we need. And then once we do phase two, the plan was always to do this in phases. So once we do phase two, phase three is going to be scaling it up to power the entire house for some period of time. Now, obviously, I'm not going to charge my car off of it or like run the clothes dryer.

But it could run like all the lights and hopefully computers for, you know, at least a while if the power goes out. And let's see how many more do I have for you. I found this in my folder. I'm a professional. Last one I've got for you today. You spend most of your careers in tech. And while I'm only a few years younger than Linus, I don't recall the tech space being like it is. as tech in your experience ever seemed this evil genuinely?

No, I don't think so. And that's someone like, I used to be really obsessed with this, I think it was Australian thing. Yeah, called The Beast Files. This is well before Mr. Beast. I'll tell you that much. So when I was in high school, I don't remember how I used to watch them online.

I think this was pre- YouTube, but maybe it wasn't. They're on YouTube now as an archive on this like, human stories YouTube channel. But I remember this one, Google's plan for world domination from the Beast Fathers. This was a fantastic video. Somehow it was only two minutes and 45 seconds. But it was talking back then about people used to talk about this all the time.

Like Google got rid of their don't be evil thing. And they started doing some stuff that was like a little bit spooky. Man, if you could sit back then and look at the stuff the different tech companies were doing back then and compare it to now, it would look like a freaking joke. All of them. Like, yeah, we are in completely unprecedented times. Because they keep getting away with it. Constantly.

Like, it's crazy. And so, yeah, as someone who has been in tech for, like, my entire professional life to a certain degree. No, it's never been even close to this crazy. Not even sort of. No, no, don't show them my balls. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next week. Same bad time.

Same bad channel. Bye. Oh my god Oh that's good The world spent 276.5 million on AI during the show