The WAN Show - This Country Gave YouTube The Smack Down - WAN Show January 9, 2026

Episode Date: January 10, 2026

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Happy Friday, everyone, and oh, welcome to the WAN show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. Samsung is under fire for watching what you're watching roughly twice every second and sharing that information with their partners. Yeah, yeah, not great. Our headline topic is, of course, though, that YouTube has met its match. government regulation. That's right. Vietnam has laid the smackdown on YouTube banning unskippable ads, or at least limiting how long unskippable ads can run on platforms like YouTube. I'm sure that is

welcome news to the people in Vietnam. What else we got this week? The fastest version of Windows is probably not what you'd expect. And also, Disney undercuts decades of incredible filmmaking technology with one of the weirdest worst videos I've maybe ever seen. Why did you pick that? That actually caused me a certain amount of existential dread because the person presenting it, for some reason, seemed to think

that it was cool, which hurt my soul. The show was brought to you by a blank. Delta Hub. Delta Hub. Alongside, of course, our rap partner Dbrand, our laptop

partner, Razor, and our chair partner who is also Razor. I remember now. I made it white for the reboot last week. What a professional show. I'm competent. Yeah, the new and improved WAN show, now 50-50 owned by

Linus and Luke. Already things are going Downbill. How do you explain this? This is my fault for sure. Underdue. Someone tried to pin like an increased amount of ads on me or something. I was like, dude, what? Try Colton. Yeah. It's, uh, man. Let's jump right into our headline topic today, which is of course, Vietnam's new rules limiting how long unskippable ads can run on platforms like YouTube. basically they said they suck and the rules are going to be targeting not only unskippable video ads but also targeting static ads and even putting bans on delays before closing them

these new rules are aimed at helping the user experience claiming that these invasive ads are harming the viewing experience which is um i mean interesting probably not Not untrue. I think there's... I mean, yeah. I don't think you could find anyone on the face of the earth. And, oh, man, I'm bracing myself now. I'm sure someone is going to come crawling out of the woodwork from somewhere to say,

actually, I love to be informed of quality products and services that could enhance my life. But I don't think almost literally anyone would say, yes, the ads on a platform enhance the user experience. Enhance my user experience. Yeah, no. I think the bigger question here, though, is what does this mean in terms of platform sustainability? I don't think it's any great secret that YouTube relies in a significant way on ads to make their platform profitable. Does it seem like a business decision how much and where to run ads and to find that balance between what users will put up with and what is sustainable in terms of profitably operating the platform?

Would you be, like, let's turn it around and let's make it about our own stuff. Would you be willing to operate float plane in Vietnam if for whatever reason they said, hey, you're not. your means of monetizing your platform, we're over it. It's not good for users to have to pay for float plane. It just needs to be free. To be fair. Yeah. That's not quite what they're saying.

No, no, they're not saying that. They're saying you can run ads, but I can tell you right now. So what do you think? So, like, I can tell you that the kind of ads that they're going to allow are, like, not profitable in modern internet when you account for video streaming bandwidth. Like, it's, and storage. It's just not, like, not a thing. You think so? This to me feels like they're going back to like five second ad skips, which YouTube had for a long time when they were profitable.

They did, but I mean, we did, I don't know if you remember. We did that video on, it was a very controversial topic of conversation, which I don't seem to be able to resist. Why 4K should be a premium feature on YouTube. Storage has not continued to grow exponentially in capacity, or sorry, this one, it has not continued to grow exponentially in capacity. anymore. It leveled off ages ago in terms of cost per gig. And the recent AI boom is not freaking helping with that. I forget

who mentioned this to me recently, but they were telling me that like, like major, major players, like hyperscaler players, are struggling to get enough hard drives right now. Yeah, there's like envoys from people like Microsoft going to various countries trying to get

hard drives and RAM and stuff in person trying to like show up at factories and be like hey we need stuff so it's it's a pretty it's a very interesting thing going on right now that isn't being it's being talked about but not like as much as i would necessarily expect considering the scale of what's currently happening if that makes sense i think mondesio on float plane has a really interesting take you know what if all ads on every platform had to be short. Then advertisers would have to compete for having a really compelling ad in a very short period of time.

And theoretically, that would impact the pricing of ads across the board and it wouldn't really harm the platforms as much. And that is such a cool point that would require so much coordination and international cooperation that unfortunately it's just not going to happen. I don't think so. I like it, though. A great example of that is. It actually happened recently around taxation for the ultra wealthy, and I think particularly for corporations, I think it was.

I believe they were targeting a 15% minimum corporate tax rate globally, and there was like a ton of countries signed onto it. And then recently, I think this was in the last week or two, the U.S. basically went, no. And the idea behind it was that it would make it much harder for major corporations to just dodge taxes by making their headquarters somewhere that they could pretty much avoid ever actually making a profit and where they could shield their profitability. But it required everyone to agree on having these rules and expecting every jurisdiction all around the world to cooperate on something at, as, don't take this the wrong way, but frankly, unimportant as ads in front of a web video. Right. When they couldn't even agree on, hey, probably major corporations should be taxed, you know, for the good of... There are less billion and trillionaires involved in this one.

So, you know, it has that going for it. But yeah, I agree with you. Maker Boy says, I saw a ticker ad across the bottom of a video today. The creator said they were trying something new. The ad did not interrupt the video at all. I can tell you something, though. Part of the reason that you noticed it was because it was new. Over time, you will learn to tune out the ticker ad,

which is why the advertising industry is always looking for novel ideas. That's why it's always changing. And I hate to use the word evolve. because it has like a positive connotation. When I say that bulbosaur evolved, you expect to get vine whip, you know, or a razor, whatever, whatever. The point is you expect Bulbosaur to be better,

whereas I feel like when ads evolve, they get more intrusive, which is a kind of better. Or they gain audio. Well, I guess that's more intrusive. Yeah. Say something. What?

Like, so they are better. in terms of being super effective at penetrating your ability to pay attention to what you actually want to be doing. I'm trying to find an example, but I'm pretty sure garbage time. Mr. Dank Pods did this recently with some stuff on his channel to promote like Flowplane and whatnot. He did like kind of banner things, whatever those are actually called. I don't remember. Cool. It's interesting. Thank you, Luke.

Interesting move. I mean, and all of this ignore the fact that YouTube is able to function basically as a monopoly at this point. Right? Like, in theory, in theory, I'm pretty pro-free market. Right? Like, you live or die by your ability

to compete fairly. But that last part, right? The F word there, that's that's sort of the critical part. And YouTube is at the point now. where whether it's through their technological moat or whether it's through their regulatory moat or whether it's through their business relationships moat what would fair competition with youtube even look like so you could say well if users don't like how many ads there are on youtube then they should just take their business somewhere else but like to what what can compete with youtube Microsoft has tried there's like MSN video which like... What's that like weird one that we uploaded to for Daily Motion? Daily Motion has tried.

Vimeo tried. Vimeo has completely given up on being an alternative to YouTube at this point as far as I can tell for years now. Does daily motion still exist? This is an interesting question. Daily motion. Does your channel on? Daily motion totally still exists.

Okay. So every piece has Vine. Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah. Rumble. Sure. Wow, Daily Motion has shorts. Blah.

And it's the first thing you see when you get to the site. Wow, it's all that. Watch mojo's on there. Where's where's where's look up line of tech tips? Hold on, hold on. I want to, I want to see. Do they do they do they have view counts? Do they have view counts? Hold on. If you click on one maybe. Yeah, let's check. Let's check. No. Okay. Okay. Player interface is a little different. So it's only up here. I can't I can't interface with it down here. Is there. Is there. are there are there are there comments are there are there comments on daily motion here draper stunned by whatever 10 months ago let's see uh apparently not either that or there's content here that is getting literally zero views yeah i don't understand how these guys are still around there's a connect button on the top right i think yeah that's just to log in let's see okay sorry you want to

me to click on Mojo? No, Linus Tech Tips. Oh, right, right, right, right. Yeah, we used to have a channel. Dude, you've got some followers. Whoa, buddy. 357. Yeah, so we had... You could be the 358th. It looks like the last time we uploaded to this was WAN show. Oh, my God.

August 4th, 2017. Yo! It's Baby Luke! It's Baby Luke. Look at Baby Luke. He's so cute. Dude, I liked that logo with the planes. I thought that was cool. Super cool.

Did you be me, dude? Where was this? That's a thick laptop. Oh, dude, is that the Arkham Asylum? Yeah. No, no, hold on. This might be Arkham City. I don't know the difference between the games at all, to be honest.

Yeah, I think this has got to be Arkham City. I only ever launched them for benchmarking. Nice. Really? Yep. Oh, dude. Arkham Asylum is so good. I heard they were good games.

Yeah. I just never came around. Oh, it's apparently Arkham Origins. Okay, sorry. Sorry, guys. Which, that's the third one, I think, right? I did not get into that one. Dude, look at you looking like a rapper on stage.

What's this? Unboxing the RX Vega? Look at you. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. That was at the first LTX. So anyway, the point is, we uploaded to Daily Motion for years. And managed to amass a total of 350 follow-

So, um, is that sustainable? How do they have this many uploads and storage and everything? Who owns daily motion? What is it? I'm finding out. I'm finding out. French online video sharing platform owned by Canal Plus. Prior to 2024, it was owned by Vivendi?

Like, that Vivendi? What do you mean that Vivendi? Isn't, it wasn't Vivendi, uh, gaming some sort back in the day? Oh no, wait, hold on. I must be thinking of a completely different thing. I think so. No, Vivendi Games was an American video game publisher and holding company based in Los Angeles.

That was a completely different thing. Oh. Okay, all right, cool. So, yeah, no, this is Vivendi. Okay, this is a French investment company headquartered in Paris. So, yeah, no. How have they not cut off daily emotion?

Dude, I don't know. I have no Oh they have So they divested of it recently And now it is owned by Canal Group But why would Why would Canal want it? I don't I have never understood

At any point in time What Daily Motion is supposed to even be The Warden Zero Zero says It's gotta be money laundering Okay but that's the thing guys I keep I keep like hearing that People will say Anytime there's something that people can't explain

I feel like they just go straight to it's got to be a write-off or it's going to be money laundering. In BC it might be true. But I don't know. And in many cases, here in BC, in many cases,

I can definitely see how that might be the case. But what would be the money laundering purpose? And why would they update it with like shorts? Because I thought the whole, and correct me if I'm wrong, I've never engaged in, criminal enterprise before. But my understanding of money laundering is the idea is that you have a functioning

business into which you can mix both like genuine proceeds of the business functioning as it does and ill-gotten gains and mix them together in a way that they are hard to differentiate from each other. So like in Breaking Bad, Walter White buys the car wash so that he has real, revenues that could easily be cash revenues that he can put his ill-gotten cash in with and mask the source of it. But if you have something that as far as I can tell, could not possibly do anything other than lose copious amounts of money and would operate entirely digitally with no cash, what would

be the money laundering purpose of it? And it might be. I don't know. I'm not a crook. But I just, I don't understand that. So maybe Float Plain Chat could be happy to, you know, help me out here. But like they have, they have features. Conrad. Conrad.

To come back to my thing. Conrad. Conrad and Float Plain Chat. Cash payments. New on LTT store. Cash, cash, cash for your bones. Too many bones not enough cash try cash bones. Sorry, it's a Futurama reference. You can tell they're trying They have like the infinity ads in the sidebar here and when you scroll Oh god they refresh. Oh god

So they have they have a full block of ads in the sidebar that refresh as you scroll One user is getting you like a 20 friggin' ad impression oh god they refresh even when you don't scroll Oh yeah Whoa so the ads are crazy also look at this they have three of the same ad running right now. Oh no, dude. That is so not allowed. I watched a video that had three pre-roll ads.

They were all the same ad. That is so not allowed. That is so gaming it. And then they like have features. Like they have video transcripts. You can turn this on and it looks like they have some form of like thing trying to generate a video transcript. So that somebody had to make that. You go back.

They have shorts now. They like support the new format. They have an app that they're clearly keeping up to date to a certain degree. Like, someone's doing stuff. There are developers working on this and, like, keeping it alive. Dan vibes says in float-plane chat, DailyMotion still has over 400 employees, according to Wikipedia. Wow.

And Lucky Drive, 1984, says, I think many websites use DailyMotion's video player. So this is a B-to-B play, maybe? But then why let random users upload to it? Or maybe they don't. I legitimately don't know legitimately have no idea and there's honestly not a ton of information on their

Wikipedia page it doesn't even say like how it works or anything like that I think your Wikipedia page is probably longer than this mine doesn't exist no it does it just is not easy to find hold on we're going to fix it though we're going to fix it though

hold on it's in draft form yeah Yeah, well, I mean, that's a kind of existence. Here, here it is. Apparently they updated it to include the Wanshow stuff. Oh, okay, no, it's not longer than, it's not longer than Daily Motion. We got to get it longer. We got to pump those numbers up.

Those are rookie numbers. I got to do something. I got to do something stupid. Oh, yeah, that would be the way. Yep. I think that would actually do it. Like if you had like a borderline Darwin award Like a major controversy

You could I don't know you could like It's the whole like early life Right rise to power Being in power Fall execution You need an arc Yeah Okay

Yeah Crystal says daily motion does let the public upload There you go Okay well good luck with that everyone Why don't we move on to our next topic You want to pick it Um sure Do do but to boo

No what I didn't tell what he was picking. Could be my nose, could be my butt. I guess it's, oh my God. Let's talk about Windows. In one order, though, Dan. It takes a screenshot. Windows. The fastest version of Windows probably isn't what you expect.

Okay, hold on, hold on. Let's let the people post. Let's let the people post in the chat. Yeah. What do you think is the fastest windows? Well, the first person's definitely wrong. XP? Uh, no. I don't, I, fuck. XP's a funny. I didn't expect XP.

XP is a funny one because people have so much nostalgia goggles for Windows XP. Windows XP was a piece of shit until like service pack two. SP2 was goaded. But Windows XP in the early days kind of sucked. I think we were just coming from Millennium Edition, which was like way worse. This is what I was saying. I think it was good for the time. Dude, my...

I had a lot of problems, but I think it was good for the time. And I think computing back then was very fun. That's fair. And you could have fun with Windows XP. Windows XP was fun. So it didn't really matter that it had problems. It was fun. It is amazing how much of chat is totally wrong.

I don't know if I've seen pretty much... Okay, there's one person who said it very definitively, which makes you think they just read the article. There's some in there. There's some in there. Okay. All right. Hackaday reports on a benchmark battle featuring every version of Windows since 2001,

which means XP Vista 7, 8.1. 10 and 11 apparently not eight i see those as different but that's okay um before we get into the results which version do you think we'll win i top of head guessed seven when i first looked at the this whole thing happening i knew the answer but only because we've benchmarked windows additions before and because um because of the whole okay this is a bit of a spoiler but because of the whole windows nine thing do you remember windows nine yeah so there's There's a reason that modded. A tuned up version of that was sick.

The best Windows was the best Windows for quite an extended period of time. Now, did they get into modding? No. Okay. No. But that's why I guess that's why I knew. Yeah. Because even not modded.

So a lot of the mods for Windows 9 were less about performance actually and more just about cleaning up memory usage and improving stability and making the user interface tight. Windows 9 was so goaded. That guy reached out and said he's working on one for 11, I think. I'm actually stoked. Yeah. Okay, anyway, carry on. YouTube, Trigs.

Trigsertzolt. Triggers old. Triggers old. Nice. Loaded half a dozen ThinkPad X220s. So an I5, 2520m, 8 gigs of RAM, 256, 200, sorry, 256 gig, SSD, and Intel HD 3,000. With the professional versions of the last six iterations of Windows, got everything totally up to date, which is kind of impressive in its own regard in a few ways, and conducted

a bunch of experiments to learn how Windows performance has changed our last two and a half decades, which is a brilliant idea. Yeah, super cool idea. Fantastic work. Maybe go check it out instead of just listening to this. They did boot to desktop times, disk usage times, and five gigabytes RAM test. How many chromium tabs can be open before we hit 5 gigs of RAM? That's interesting.

For boot to desktop, fastest to slowest. 8.1 is the oldest version with fast boot. So it has fast boot, but it's the lightest OS. That makes sense. All the ones with fast boots. So it's like wicked fast. XP and 10 tied, which is hilarious. Just have to say.

7, Vista, and 11 all had task part issues, or is that just 11 had task? Just 11. Yeah. So 7 and Vista work kind of slow. And then 11, the task bar. took forever to load, which sounds about on brand. In fairness to 11, this is not supported hardware on Windows 11. But then that's like, I don't know, kind of people's problem with Windows 11.

Oh, a big part of it. So, yeah. Take the L Windows 11. Windows 7 was the worst at disk use. Is that just how big the operating system is? Yeah. Yeah, it's not too surprising. And then the 5 gigs RAM test for how many tabs you can have open.

The best was Windows 8.1 and 7 at 252. and 235 tabs. Doesn't that... Okay, so Windows 8.1, 1. But it's a huge gap between the other ones, I guess. Yeah. The worst was Windows XP. That makes sense.

Oh, wait, really? Windows XP and 11? Yeah. 50 tabs for XP and 49 for 11? Really? I mean, she's a hungry boy, Luke. God, that's so rough. She's got to get the telemetry data somehow.

Best overall was 8.1. Windows 11 is generally the slowest. Actually, what I suspect is that with XP, it's just inefficiently managing it. And then with 11, it's just a heavier OS overall. So you just have less RAM left to put Chrome tabs in, would be my guess. Whereas something like Windows 8, like, dude, Windows, okay, and to be clear, that was why Luke and I both raised an eyebrow when we were reading through every version of Windows. because Windows 8 was a giant steaming dumpster fire. We would all love to forget that Windows 8 ever existed.

Yeah, but I think whitewashing the history of Windows 8.X and just referring to it as, yes, only Windows 8.1, that was the only one that existed, is not giving enough credit to how long Microsoft stubbornly stuck us with that horrible Metro UI. that was not immediately, obviously removable on the early versions of Windows 8. Like, it was, it was a long time. They didn't just launch this thing in early access and go, no. Oh, wow, this sucks.

Okay, well, we have a launch date to hit, but we're going to get that fixed, like, like, right quick, fast for you guys. It was bad for a really long time. And then 8.1 came and just fixed it. October 2012 was Windows 8's release date. It looks like it was released to manufacturing on August 1st, 2012. And then 8.1. I just lost one of my ears.

I don't know if it... Oh, did I... Sorry, I'll fix it. Maybe. And then 8.1 was October... Yeah, so it took a year. And that was a dark year. That was a long...

Working at a computer retailer? Yeah. That was a long year. Eight was the only operating system that I ever didn't, the only modern, okay, how do I define this? Eight is the only operating system since 2000 where I had a personal computer and never installed it. I had 8.1, but I think I only ever really dove into 8.1 with Windows 9. Interesting. I think I held on to 7 and then Windows 9, which is 8.1 solidly for sure.

I'm accepting that, but it was a modded version of 8.1. And I think that, to me, means I kind of skipped one because I see 8.1 and 8 so differently. I'm trying to remember if I went 8 or 8.1 on my desktop. Because I don't think I figured out how good 8.1 was until Windows 10 was already out. And like 8.1 had turned into like the sexy remember when Windows was way lighter and when search worked. Yeah. Because I think 8.1 was the last one where the search didn't suck. Yes, I appreciate that's true.

Yeah, so I actually picked up on 8.1 for, like, running VMs and stuff. And I don't, I don't know if I ever desktpped it. I don't, actually, I don't, I don't remember, but I definitely don't, like, fondly remember using it, like I did with Vista, for instance, which I know is a controversial take. But I genuinely liked Windows 9. Deal with it, I loved Vista. But I think part of the reason why I liked Windows 9 was because it was such a like, FU. Oh, yeah. Nice.

To be honest. I was reminiscing over the weekend with a buddy of mine about Windows Vista Black Edition, which was another, yeah, yeah, which was another, like, Windows 9 style, like, community mod. And Black Edition was awesome, actually. I used to have my Windows XP, um, Boot logo modded to I'm trying to find the exact one I think it was this one without the without the shine I had it set up to load Windows XP pirated edition for the like the loading bar yeah um apparently that's been popular across many version actually okay I specifically searched for XP but there are also

some ones in here that are not XP I like this one apparently was vista is up is that an upside down nice Spicy Alright Man I'll make it work I can either have My left ear or my right ear active It seems to be the cable, Dan

Anyway, go check out No No I leaned over I probably bumped something Dan I'm sorry It's fine We'll deal with it All right What do you want to do next?

Next topic Yeah Should we do the Disney one Are we showing it Are we going to get the video demonetized? Let's just show it. I don't care. All right, Disney undercuts, this is, like, this one actually hurt.

I don't know. Disney undercuts decades of incredible filmmaking technology with AI animals. VFX extraordinaire Rob Bradow, known for his work on Star Wars through industrial light and magic, which is owned by Disney, gave a mostly interesting, is the nose, 15-minute TED Talk about how technology is enabled artists to more effectively tell their stories or something, something of their stories. However, it was punctuated by a one and a half minute AI-generated alien creature montage designed to get the audience excited about the future of AI tools for filmmakers. And to be clear, this is, if this is one that I'm thinking of, it is specifically set up as

an artist's vision of what Star Wars worlds might look like. if a, I think it was like a scout drone is visiting. Yeah, we'll see. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there we go. Yeah, it is this one. Oh, hi, Dan. Blah, blah, bra. And yeah, this, yeah, watch for yourself. Okay, before we do this, no, forget the audio, it doesn't matter.

Before we do this, I didn't think this was real. I was in the car with, I think it was Adam and, And who else was chilling with us? Was Glenn our camera op? I think Glenn was there. And I think we had someone from the business team there. It doesn't matter. The point is, everyone was like talking about it,

which made me feel like it's real. And Adam insisted that it was, that it was, like, cringe and, like, you won't believe what Disney did. Actually mind-blowing. So I was prepared. What I assumed he was talking about. because he's like, yeah, you won't believe this Disney AI thing. And everyone was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I was like, it's weird that we're all talking about this right now. It sounds like real, but I don't understand why we're so upset because Disney announced their partnership with Open AI recently. And so people could, you know, Sora Disney characters. Like, did someone fanfic something Disney? And you're like just depressed for the future of storytelling because it was like the worst fanfic thing ever. Like I got kind of confused because I hadn't heard.

anything about it. Totally. In this lead-up conversation. And Adam's like, no, no, no, no. This is something else entirely different. And he showed it to me. And it took me probably

three or four slides. To go, wait, this is official? Like, this is not, like, cringe fan bullshit. Like, this came from Disney. So with that preparation in mind, this is an actual Disney employee talking about the future of human imagination of a brand new Star Wars planet and the creatures that might accompany it,

or inhabit it, excuse me. Oh, my God. Yeah. So what is this? it's like a sloth with what looks like really poorly done water droplets on it or something metal or something metal metal sloth sure a lot of this is like you know uh i don't know

2006 facebook two animals hybrided together this is a it's a video a zebra gorilla a fish lizard fish lizard it's a snail this is this is the first one adam showed me Yeah. The snail bird.

We did it. A snail cock? Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is what it is. Very creative.

Let's go on. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. This time we hybrided a zebra with a polar bear. Yeah. And put it in an environment that it will not survive in. Very good. Can you imagine firing up a new Star Wars film and seeing, you know, one of these attacking

the reanimated corpse of Palpatine for some reason. Another time. Yeah. A flamingo iguana? Let's blow up another really big space structure with Palpatine on it. This is just a blue fawn. It's rough, man. And it goes on for so freaking long.

Guys, check this out. Like, Dan, can you get rid of me for a sec? Thanks. Guys, it's like, it goes on for way longer than, ha ha, a funny joke. We were just kidding you guys. Look at the... Oh, no. Look at this.

It keeps going. Like... It goes on for a very long time. And like, if this was like some dude in the office and they're like, hey, look, and they just showed it to their buddy. And they're like, yeah, I threw this together in a few minutes or whatever. I was just messing around. Like, that's fine, I guess. But, like, dude, showing this off?

At a TED talk? Like, oh, man. You're a major multi-billion dollar international company? I almost don't care if this isn't like a high school student project. It's rough. Like, what, okay, the dumbest part, or not the, no, this is actually far from the dumbest part. But I don't know. This felt especially ridiculous to me was one.

day, for two days or something, before I found out about this, before I had this conversation, I literally did this. And my whole point, my whole point in our AMD coverage at CES this year was that an AMD representative talked about how your AI could give you powerful financial advice. And I was like, L.O.L. Um No.

Didn't they also say something about like I don't know Change the World Through Infinite Energy or some like crazy claim? I thought they made some like mind blowing. I didn't hear that part but my point was this look I don't think anyone's going to be upset about having a decent

NPU on your product right? So that you can and I literally used this as my example of like just dumb bull-s-it that people might want to do with their stupid, crappy like NPU on their laptop.

This was literally one of the two just stupid, ridiculous, who cares, it's just for lulls, things that I could come up with. I came up with... When a human made that in 2008 or whatever, it was funny.

Zebrafish. Ha-ha. Ha-ha. I used the Photoshop blending tools to... Looked at. Yeah. How is this a credible conversation even from a major industry player like Disney? Yeah, it's crazy. And ILM was like God tier for... Still is?

Yeah. This makes me concerned. But yeah. Well, yeah, right. Yeah. I'm sure they still have the talent somewhere. It just wasn't on stage. Well, I don't know. Maybe that guy's good. But like, it wasn't shown on the big screen on stage. during that section of the thing. I didn't watch the whole thing. Is this 4D chess? Are they trying to generate backlash

in order to rebel against top level executives who are demanding more AI? Please tell me. That's it. Just tell me that's it. You know what? They could nuke their own entire career doing that. That is a move that happens,

but it's not that common. Tell me that's it, Luke. Give me hope. Give me a new hope, you might say. For a third time. time. Ouch. Sick Star Wars Burn.

That's a deep cut. Not a deep cut. But it cuts deep, which is, I guess, where I got confused. Yeah. I don't believe it, but I hope so. That's not enough.

Tell me that's it. Tell me it's 4D chess, please, Luke. Because otherwise... It might result in the same. thing. If it's not 4D chess, then I think I'm just going to give up and I'm going to apply to work at Disney. Because apparently my ideas are just as good as theirs. If that gone on stage, you'd be fine. You'd be totally fine tomorrow. You can do what I did to get here. Just lie on my

resume. Yeah, is it even lying anymore? I created zebrafish. Is it even lying anymore? I trademarked it. Patented zebrafish. Oh, I hate this. Okay, um, just okay, we have some discussion questions here Some of them are interesting. Do you see anything in the video that got you excited? No, not at all How long before we're forced to watch AI generated content in a major motion picture? I just won't go watch it. I've been doing that for a long time Would we be surprised? Would you be surprised to hear that it has sort of already been used extensively or something? No. Because like, even if it's at the concept art stage where, to be clear, there's a lot of people that are upset about that type of use for it because concept artists are a thing.

But what I'm getting at here is if it were used at the concept art stage and a real artist went and took it from concept art to what you actually see, you probably would not have any way of noticing it. You wouldn't be able to tell from the pixels or whatever. So, odds are that it's already been used extensively, even if it's just just at the concept stage. Oh, man. There's some interesting stuff in here. David threw this into the notes. This comes after Disney's big push into artificial intelligence that got an AI-powered

Darth Vader in Fortnite, who was immediately tricked into saying racial slurs. And also, after they continued to lobby the government. to prevent Mickey Mouse from entering the public domain with one hand, while investing a billion dollars into open AI with the other. Yeah, thanks, David. That really makes me feel better. Yeah, it's tough. They're just losing, as far as I can tell.

Things like Bluey are just completely taking their lunch. So they're lashing out and trying to accomplish things. This doesn't seem like it. This is one of them, which to me just means you're just losing way harder now. It's funny because, like, they don't even really use a lot of the, IPs that were so formative and foundational and iconic

like do you think kids today would not I mean I guess they did do a Duck Tales reboot I was just I was trying to think like would they not like Donald Duck and Mickey and like it's funny because when you're when you're at Disneyland those characters are still so

central to the brand identity but like when I was a kid I feel like there was so much media with Mickey Mouse like you like I remember I had one of those little, like, golden books that was like Mickey Mouse, but it was the story of the Prince and the Popper. Like, you know, Disney's whole schick where they steal folklore and fairy tales, and then they just, like, put their IP and characters on it,

like, that seemed like a pretty good formula. And then now they've gone, like, self-referential, where they just, like, remake their own movie, but in live action. And it feels like at a certain point you're going to run out of that. Maybe you could, I don't know, just, look, I don't want to be in charge of Disney, but it seems like you could just, I don't know, do that. They are releasing Toy Story 5. Oh, God.

This is not a popular opinion, but I felt Toy Story 4 was just so unnecessary. I felt like Toy Story 3 tied the whole arc up into a nice little bow, and I felt like it was done, and Toy Story 4 just felt like one of those movies where, and then this happens, and then this happened, and then this happened, and then like this happened and wasn't that cool, and then this happened. we'll see how it goes yeah i don't know the original toy story trilogy is pretty legendary i didn't i didn't hate toy story four but i didn't stick with me like the other ones did you know toy story four felt so unnecessary yeah uh yeah there's there's again more notes to this there's an there's another

extra added do you think we will see a continued push for more practical effects in movies or is this another turning point towards the artificial? I don't know. I really liked the plane steen wow, why can I talk to it? The plane scene in

airplane. What is that movie called? It's from the guy who made Inception but it's about like moving forward or backward. Tenet. Yeah, the plane scene in Tenet was sick and it was filmed by actually smashing an actual big plane

into an actual big building which was like pretty sick that sounds really expensive it was so they did it once and then they like eight takes you know and then they used that scene in like a bunch of different ways which was probably to justify the expense

of it but it was really cool how they did I actually really like Tenant but that movie didn't get the greatest reviews ever no So I was watching some older 80s 90s action flicks recently as part of my like watching older movies

that I never saw and I think the thing that stood out to me the most was the car chase scenes It's like that semi-truck like dirt bike chase scene in Terminator 2 hits so much harder when I know

like obviously it's not as spectacular as some CGI up the butt thing from Avengers or whatever. But you know someone's on that bike. But like, they actually bashed a semi up. They actually like did those stunts with the bikes. They really did all that stuff. And it was maybe from like as a kid watching it, I would rather just have the CGI, you know,

spaceship fight in New York City or whatever. I think this is a very interesting point that you're making. But as an adult, appreciating the artistry of it, I find just the speed of the dirt bike, as slow as it is, far more engaging, knowing that it's real. Yeah. Very interesting. That's a pretty good point, I think. Because, yeah, there's a lot of things that I'll try to fight for of, like, the real is more interesting. But you're right.

When you're a kid, it's just like, I don't know, goopy brain juice stuff. Yeah. When you're older, it's like, how was this made? What's the investment in risk? What's the investment in funds? Yeah. Wow. Like, you can tell the care that went into the scene because there was so much spent on it.

So you know that they must have really invested and fought for this to happen. And blah, blah, blah, blah. And that all impacts your appreciation of the art. The partnership that they must have had to forge with General Motors to get, totally. To get like 19 cars that are. are going to be in like a giant pile up knowing that they have to convince them

that they need them at a good price and that it's okay for their brand to be you know bashed because like literally like bashed in because a lot of the time car companies in you know more modern times will not allow even a scratch on the car and you'll notice that it's just

totally immersion breaking once you're once you notice it once you're aware of it that like oh okay so the hero's car is not allowed to have any damage or scratches because it's the hero's car, even though it bashed into a bunch of stuff and drove through a burning building

or whatever it is that it did. Which, to be clear, is kind of silly because, like, the coolest Toyota truck, like, ever is this one, which, like, the marshmallow truck, the person who drove back and forth through the fires repeatedly to save people, and their truck just, like, made it because it's a beast Toyota.

and then Toyota just gave him a new one. Like the scars can be cool. If your car goes through some crazy stuff in the film, like that can be cool. It's not a bad thing. Does Plex have a like history of stuff you watched? Like I'd be curious to see. Oh yeah.

Hold on. Let me dig through it. I'll see if I can figure out what I was watching recently. That was really good. I can do an additional part of this topic if you want to keep searching. Oh, hilarious. Nick Plouffe and I are friends. and we can see with each other watch on Plex.

I should probably let him know, and I should probably disable mine, because I don't think either of us probably intended that. I hope you're enjoying that show you're watching, Pluth. I didn't mean to creep on you, but quality selection. They enabled it by default. Yeah. Wait, really?

Yeah, it just kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah, we talked about it on Wren Show at the time, but I don't blame me for not paying attention. Is anyone coming for, I mean, I just, and don't really use it, so I probably just forgot. But is anyone really coming for Plex? Like, I've heard Jellyfin talked about, but every time I bring it up, people kind of shrug and go, like, yeah,

Plex is still better. Is it, is it, is it, is it replacing at this point? I will have to give it another shot. It's been a long time since I've looked at it. I will. People are saying Embby. We had three different people in a row say Embby, and then now people are spamming jellyfin.

Wow. Okay. I'm trying to remember. It might have been Bad Boys one. Now question for. Everyone's spamming jellyfin is amazing. Is jellyfin open source and Plex isn't and you like it because it's open source or is it just good? Which one is it?

Why not both? Why not both? Be real. Why not both? Be real with me. Because it being cool because it's open source is great, but that has to be in addition to it also being great. That is the cherry and the cream. You know what?

I think it might have been Last Action Hero. I think that's the one that I, I think that's the one that I, I was watching when I thought, oh my God, all this stuff is real. Because I was shot in 1993. So, someone posted, you should, you should watch a video that's like, no CGI is just good CGI. Not in 1993. In 1993, when they crashed a car into another car, they got two cars.

And they basically did what every six-year-old boy does when he's got two cars in his hands, but just filmmakers on a much bigger budget. Mm-hmm. No, you can tell when it's a scale model, guys. Come on. Come on. Be real. You can tell.

Sometimes it's pretty hard. Cars? Cars have weight. Cars probably. Yeah. The way that they bend, the way, no. No. No, no, no, no. Especially when it's a low-speed collision.

And they like, you can, you know, those 80s cars, right? Like, you can see the shocks and the weight of them. There's, no. No. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. there's an additional part of this topic. Do you think Larian did the right thing by promising to no longer use generative AI even during conceptualization?

And I was like, what? Because that isn't what I heard last time at all. And it sounds like some amount of hours ago. Oh. Let's see here. 13 hours ago, there was, why is it Swen instead of Sven? Are you supposed to pronounce it Swen? Sure.

And he just wrote it that way. I don't know. 13 hours ago he said this, hi, happy you enjoyed our games. So first off, there is not going to be any Gen AI art in divinity. I know there's been a lot of discussion around about us using AI tools as part of concept art exploration. We already said this doesn't mean the actual concept art is generated by AI, but we understand it's created confusion. So to ensure there is no room for doubt, we've decided to refrain from using Gen A. tools during concept art development.

The refrain is not a commitment to never. Yeah. That is that way, there can be no discussion about the origin of the art. Having said that, we continuously try to improve the speed with which we try to get things out. The more iterations we can do, the better in general the gameplay is. We think Gen. AI can help with this.

So we're trying things out across departments. Our hope is that it can aid us to refine ideas faster, leading to more focused development cycle less waste and ultimately higher quality game. The important bit to note is that we will not generate creative assets that end up in a game without being 100% sure about the origins of the training data and the consent of those who created the data. If we use a Gen. A.I.A. model to create in-game assets, then it will be trained on data we own.

That is not the thing that was... Yeah, we need to make sure that when we put notes in the thing, they are the right notes for the thing. I'm deleting that. So basically what they're saying, just like... refrain from taking out your cell phones and taking pictures of the performance. That is not, you know, a hard never. That is a like, please don't. Because they can't even guarantee that their own people internally will not use these tools.

They cannot prevent a Larian employee from going home, getting their laptop. I'm sorry, I mean this laptop from our laptop partner, Razor, thank you. Getting their laptop, generating some thing, it into work and using it as part of their... Oh, that's not Sven. That's why it's not Sven. Cool. They can't prevent anyone from doing that.

And then the second part of this is... Shoot, now I'm distracted. Sorry. That was the game director. It's a different person. Is that forever is a very long time. They would be completely bonkers at this point to say, no generative AI forever.

And they know that, which is why that statement was basically, we're going to keep doing exactly what we're doing. Here's a statement we crafted that will hopefully let you guys settle down and touch some grass. The most interesting part to me was that the important bit to note is that we will not generate creative assets that end up in a game without being 100% sure about the origins of the training data and the consent of those who created the data. That part's very interesting to me. So basically, we will use generative AI in the concept phases. We will generate assets that will end up in the game. But we will be sure of the origin of the training data.

That seems like maybe not for divinity. Yeah, maybe not for divinity. But they're exploring that. That last bit seems pretty clear. And it's kind of the plan, yeah. But this is, to be clear, man, like they're talking about it, but this is the plan for everyone. It's been fascinating to me how, like, Larian and the people behind Claire Obscure,

I don't remember their studio name, are gaining so much flack for this, and then embark, the people who made our creators are, like, super open about it and have been forever, and they're getting relatively little flack for it. There's been a couple big hits, but not that much. And then you see Battlefield out there So obviously having used it To the point where I've seen like promotional images That have like very telltale signs of AI influence

And everybody's just like oh whatever I don't know it's EA they were gonna do it anyways We'll just leave him alone It's like oh come on Come on Anyways All right moving on Speaking of cool things

I'm gonna do a random like a side thing Uh, Dan, hold on. Oh, is Dan going to have us do anything else? Yeah, probably do the merch message. Because your thing there says topic two and we're on topic four. Literally about to grab it. Wow. Nice.

Wow. Nice quality. Wow. Oh. Right. Hey. Oh, shoot. I got too warm and I finally took it off.

Well, uh, okay, go to Luke's screen. Duh. If you're looking for something Valentine's themed, without it being over the top, mushy gushy, our pixel perfect love collection is live now. It's clean, subtle, wear and wearable beyond February the 14th. We've got the Pixel Heart T-shirt. If you want to fire that one up, yay!

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and you can also check out the long-sleeve polo shirt in a fun new color. All right. Now it's time to explain merch messages. If you want to interact with the show, we don't want you to throw money at your screen, guys. We'd much rather that you throw money at LTTStore.com and get some quality merchandise in addition to, you know, sending a message to Dan who will definitely read it. He will, though. All you got to do is go to LTTStore.com and add something to your cart.

You'll see the little interface here for merch messages. You type a little merch message, decide if you want to be anonymous or show your first and last name, and you pick a color scheme, and you go ahead and place your order. It goes to producer Dan. Hey, we got a second wave today, bonus.

Who is always wearing the new eggplant. Oh. Yeah, nice, looking good. A little flash of blue. A little flash of Italian in the summer. You're missing the gold chain though, Dan. And also, we would need more buttons for you to go full Mediterranean. Right down to the belly button.

Anyway, it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to it or pop it up here if you just have a shout out for someone or who will curate it and read it to me and Luke to respond to. Dan, do you want to show us a couple curated merch messages? Yeah, sure. Why don't I have one here about the pixel heart? Hey, wan.a.ai. Question for Luke. Is the pixel heart drop a celebration for your new 50-50 loving relationship or just a Valentine's approaching? Is this a joke I don't get?

For owning half of WAN. You're now tied together. Yeah, it's funny. Business arrangements are actually like way, way more binding than like marriage. Turns out. Fun time. Yeah. Like I remember Yvonne and I joking about it.

when we bought a house together, we were like, oh, this is, we actually, we bought a house together before we got married and we were like, oh, well, I mean, like, this is way more complicated. And then when we started the business, it was just like, oh, okay. So between owning a house together, having kids together and the business, we're like, full stuck, which is good, because I'd like her to not leave me. Okay, carry on. I mean, yes, that is why we did it. The creative people at Creator Warehouse were like, you know what, Valentine's Day, ultimately unimportant.

What really matters is the link between Linus and Luke. And this shirt just symbolizes that and nothing else. Sure. Two-partner. Totally not that Luke found out about this today. Which is, which is. That's not what happened. That's reality.

I noticed it on my chair and was like, huh. and then put it on and then noticed that and was like, oh, neat. And then loaded up the store to be like, what's going on? We only talked about the 50-50 like last week. So we designed a ship to prepare a shirt in less than one week. Amazing. We're so good. Four days.

Four days. I'm very impressed by that team. More wicked smart. Absolutely incredible. Also, what class or spec did you play in? Wow. Oh, Warrior. Classic.

Based. All the classes, all the specs, sorry. Uh, the best spec warrior ever is Fury Prot and classic wow, because wearing shields while tanking is boring and not wearing shields while tanking is fun. And there's another one here for Luke as well. Also about wow, thoughts on add-on removals in Wow midnight. Oh, I don't care. I don't play retail. Oh, gross. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable based display. How dare you insult him by asking such a question. Damn.

Damn. I don't know. I think they're going to have a hard time changing their raid design because for many, many, many years, raid design was done with the theory that people would be having add-ons installed. And the add-ons basically, like, tell you what to do all the time.

There will literally be, like, audible cues of, like, move or whatever. Yeah. Like, the add-ons are really intense. It's funny because, like, I actually... I've really been frustrated sometimes, but also enjoying how not handholdy, Claire Obscure is. On the one hand, it's modern gaming way too easy. Like when you die in a fight, you just fry it again.

Like there's, it's like a four second penalty and you just go for it again. It auto saves like all the time. But on the other hand, like sometimes I'll get annoyed because I can't figure out where to go. Like there's no map in dungeons. So the difficulty is high, but the problem. punishment is low, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So you really have to, you really have to try. And so sometimes I've been kind of annoyed, but I've also really appreciated. And I found, like, the combat, for instance, way more engaging when the timing is really hard to get. And, like, they have these, they have these side challenges where you have to, like, parkour. And I don't know if you've ever parkored in a, like, like, third person. view a 3D game where

frankly, Assassin's Creed counts because it just like does it for you. Frankly, it's an RPG and is not Assassin's Creed, but I kind of had flashbacks to Psychonauts. Huh. Like some of them are really, really frustrating. But like getting to the top of like the tower one, I'm like, yeah. And I don't know, I felt like accomplishment in playing a game

that I haven't felt in a while. That's cool. So I'm into that. That sounds like the opposite thing. And like they have, okay, they have kind of, they have a little bit of white paint. Oh, yeah. Like with the climbing things.

But like the climbing things are gold. And sometimes there'll be like strains of gold in the rock. And they're actually kind of hard to spot sometimes. Yeah. I don't know. I like it. I like it. There's a lot going on in like,

I don't know. I haven't played them. But there's a lot going on in like modern wild. raids and before the add-on removal, I guess. I don't know if it's already happened or not. And and but but yeah like there will be this mechanic where like say there's there's a boss and he's hitting your tank, right? Fairly obvious MMO type stuff. But he'll put a debuff on your tank. And once the debuff gets to a certain amount of stacks, yeah. You need to swap which tank is currently tanking the boss because the main, the one tank will get to too many stacks and

need to swap and that guy gathers stacks and this guy stacks fall off and you swap back and forth. Pretty normal, very average thing to be on a boss. Very average. There will be add-ons that when your stack count, when the stack count of the other guy gets too high. Actually, six-inch tank, average-sized tank. That's way more like eight inches, but okay. When it's your turn to taunt and like take the boss over because the other guy has too many stacks, it'll just tell you. What?

The add-on will be like, taunt. So, like, if you've played a bunch, you'll just reflexively, like, hear that and just press the button. You don't even, like, there's no thinking. Oh. And then, but, but, like, theoretically, there is a lot of other stuff happening in the encounter.

So it's not like you aren't paying attention. You're still playing, and it can still be really hard. But, like, the add-ons are managing things for you while you're playing around the other mechanics. And, like, they'll, certain fights will still be very difficult, despite all that. But these fights have been built. with knowing that these out-ons exist and that people will make them.

Oh. So now... They're harder? They're in a lot of ways way harder, where if you didn't have the out-ons, it would be, like, incredibly difficult. Oh, okay. No one's doing it.

So is that good? So now if they're going to take the add-ons out, which is in a lot of ways, it probably makes sense. It's kind of weird that the community has to constantly build things for your game. Right, right, right, right. So by taking the out-ons out-ons out, like, okay, cool, that kind of makes sense in some ways. Yeah. But then your design philosophy for your game,

for so many years has had these things in mind and I suspect there's going to be growing pains not that I'll experience any of them because retail wow sucks but yeah oh no Adam plays oh no does he hate my opinions we'll see

importantly they aren't banning add-ons they're just reducing their scope so they can't play the game for you like Lucas is describing ah okay interesting well that that sounds like it helps a little bit then sure that's cool shout out Adam customer care supervisor for our creator warehouse.

Yeah. All right. Dan, what are we doing? How about some more topics? We can do more topics. We've got a bunch to get through. Let's talk about the Samsung Smart TV lawsuit.

Samsung, Sony, LG, High Sense, and TCL are all being accused of deploying surveillance technology without user consent. ACR, automated content recognition, takes screenshots and provides other information. about what you're watching on your TV to the TV manufacturer's headquarters, allegedly. You are opted in to ACR when you consent during the TV setup process. To opt out, at least on a Samsung display, you must find the right opt-outs across four or more separate menus. Ars Technica figures it's roughly 15 clicks to complete after analyzing the lawsuit.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has called ACR an uninvited invisible digital invader. I agree. Texas has apparently secured a temporary restraining order against Samsung, not the rest of them, but Samsung specifically, which prevents them from continuing to sell, transfer, collect, or share ACR data relating to Texas consumers. The district court found sufficient cause

to believe that Samsung's actions violated the deceptive trades Practices Act. A similar restraining order was requested for LG, but a judge denied the state's request, and then Sony T.C.L. and Highsense are still involved in this legal battle alongside Samsung. The lawsuits argue that companies deliberately use misleading labeling and non-intuitive terminology when explaining ACR technology to consumers, according to source points legal analysis. Texas prosecutors argue that each manufacturer also hides or obfuscates what ACR can record from its customers. And the answer is

basically anything that is connected over H.D.MI. As well as cable boxes. If it's on your screen, it can be recorded. This could even include confidential or sensitive information if you were to hook up a laptop or a computer to your TV and

view said info. There are no visual cues or warnings that content is being recorded. So this goes way beyond the data that they might need for targeted advertising. This is wild. Texas is seeking $10,000 to $250,000 per violation,

with higher penalties when persons aged 65 or older were affected. That last is a little confusing to me. No, I totally get it, I think. Really? Why not kids? That would also maybe be fair. My thing was maybe more susceptible to scams, and if they can target scams more easily because of certain,

data like that. Because the people getting wrecked by online scams, it's like wildly vast majority really old people. Is that true? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. So is that who Bethesda was selling horse armor to?

The Elder Scrolls? Based on your own logic. It's all for old people. No! No! Based on your own logic, that's not a scam. I know. It's not a scam. It's not a scam. I just thought it was funny because I thought of elder scrolls.

It was pretty funny. I was just trying to find a way to... I thought you were just calling me old, to be honest. I didn't even put the elder scrolls in the other. You're kind of an old soul, though. A little bit. Yeah. Like, there's things about you that are like young dude, but there's also things about you that are very like... I'm like middle age and like I'm more interested in exploring the world and

and having experience, sharing experiences, you know? You're kind of old. I started the exploring the world thing right away. Yeah, I know. I know, dude, to be clear. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, I know. Okay, no, my bad.

Like, you were just born, like, kind of a middle-aged man. Yeah. And to be clear, I totally get it. Like, I just, I was like, okay, well, I have flunked out of school. I am going to join the workforce and immediately settle down and have a family as quickly as humanly possible. you seem like a fantastic wife let's be husband and wife and have children like I don't know I was talking with someone recently about like

how can you know if you want to have kids or not and I was like I don't know some people do and they were some people do sorry I'm still a little bit sick I'm having talking problems and they were like no like nobody does it just sort of happens and I was like no Linus did for sure like know if they wanted to have kids yeah oh yeah I was like No, Linus knew 100%.

Yeah, there's no question. They're like, how, whatever? I was like, I don't know, but he knew the whole time. Like, there was no, there was no, there was no gaps. This was, this was 100% knowledge. That was, that was, that was, like, get education. Okay, we didn't manage that. Get job, get wife, get kids, and then have a family.

Path accomplished. Yeah. There was no, yeah. There wasn't wavering. Yeah, no. I don't know. I was talking to someone about this the other day, but I had kind of a unique upbringing because, you know,

people will ask, like, were you an only child or did you have a lot of siblings? And I'll be like, yes. Because I was functionally an only child for most of the time up until I was 11. So that was every other weekend. I was with my dad and most of the week. And then every other other weekend, I was with my mom and also with. Wednesdays after school. And so I was an only child at my dad's house, but then at my mom's house, I was one of five. So after I was 11, I lived with my mom. So I had like only child childhood.

And then also like some childhood and my entire adolescence as as one of many, including because I was the second oldest, and there was a big age gap between number four and number five. of my genetic half siblings, but we don't really like see it that way. But it's a technical detail that maybe people care about, get over it. So there was a pretty big age gap between number four and number five of us. So I like knew that I love little kids and I like knew how to change diapers. And I like I actually participated very actively in caring for a baby. and it's something that I feel like a lot of parents in my cohort seriously missed out on

because it used to be that people had enormous families. Yeah. Like tons and tons of kids to the point where by the time number five, number six, number seven, number eight, number nine are rolling in. The eldest ones are very actively participating in the care of in the upbringing of these kids because otherwise it's just it's a completely non-viable situation and i uh i don't know i i i felt like i just had more certainty and more confidence going into parenthood having had that experience sure that i feel like a lot of people like including evan

i laid that out too evan was one of two and they were two years apart she did not help in any way to raise a child before she was just, here you go, handed one. Yeah, like that was brought up as well. Like, oh, how could he have known, like, how could you know before you've done it? You've never had kids before. And I was like, well, he kind of sort of did,

because he kind of sort of took care of them. I got to see a lot of it. Yeah. So, like, I don't know. That kind of counts, in my opinion. Like, I remember being in the hospital waiting for my baby brother to come out. Like I can remember that.

Whereas Yvonne doesn't remember that for her baby sister. Like it just, you just can't. She was two. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Any memory that you have from when you were like two is, is probably heavily corrupted by that whole remembering a memory problem.

Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I do not remember how we got onto this topic of conversation. No idea. All right, cool. Like, at all. We should probably get through some sponsor spots. Sure.

All right. Oh, wait, no, we only have one. Okay. If you want to do that now, maybe do the flooplane announcement. Absolute mad lads. They did the whole thing. No, we'll do the sponsor spot.

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while we were away at CES oh fun okay five questions were asked and the top three answers for each question have been recorded for us to try to guess to keep things moving we will be given two guesses each per round the answers are weighted and there will be up to 300 points up for grabs whoever has the least number of points at the start of each round we'll get to guess first and somewhere off screen a coin was flipped and Linus will be guessing first for the first prompt.

Oh, I see. This is very... It's only mildly off topic, but I like their box. You open it, and the info card comes out of the top. My loop cam button doesn't work. Oh, because I have it in takeover mode. Okay. One sec.

Cute. I just think it's cool. Good chat. Neat. All right, Dan, hit me. One second. Sure thing. So, prompt number one.

Name a piece of tech you couldn't live without. Linus, you're up first. Phone. Wait, this is... This is... Luke, what is your guess? What is my guess? Or do I have to say that it's on the board or not?

I have no idea I've never watched Wannley Feud before. Sorry, what do we talk... What is my guess? Name a piece of tech. You couldn't live without... Yeah, I'm guessing who it is. You're guessing what everyone said. Survey. Phone.

Well, you can't say the same thing to me. No, you have to get something else. Got it's obviously phone. Well, there's lots of responses. It could be something else. Got him. Got him, got him, got him, got him. Do we do the survey says first?

Probably should have done that. Water filtration. The hell is wrong with you. He's just throwing. You can't throw. No, you have to have a real answer. That's so lame. You can't just look at chat.

I didn't get that from chat. I didn't get that from chat. Okay, no chat for either of us. You said you get like you get two? guesses? We get to what? I don't understand this game at all. What is what is happening?

It's family feud. You just have to guess what most people said. And the people who were responding were our employees. Because I got to go first. But you'll get to go first if you're behind. And there's like five rounds. Okay, so I'll go first next time. Probably.

I think I think that's it. Camera. Camera? Yeah. Okay. And we have to say two each. Apparently, that's what it says here. Okay, I'm going to go with...

PC. Or, like, computer, computer, computer. Computer, okay. Yeah. Someone will have said 3D printer. Ooh. Ooh, I like it. At least someone.

I like it. Okay, all right. Give us the result for the first one. All right, response number three was computer or laptop. So that's 10 points to Linus? Yes. Response number two was headphones or earbuds. Neither of you got that.

And response number one, phone. Of course. So that's Linus leading with 45 points. Luke, nobody said water filtration. So Luke, you got first. They're all lying. Didn't he have two other guesses though? I thought we didn't count that stupid water filtration one.

It was good though. No, he said it too earnestly. It was way too earnestly. was way too earnest. You would all have very serious issues of being alive. Drink it from the floor. Prom to number two. Name a sign that you've been sitting at your computer for too long.

Luke, you're up first. Numb legs. Numb legs. Dry eyes. Dry eyes. Yeah, I don't get this problem. Sore eyes. Someone asked you recently if I wanted eye drops and I was like, for what?

And, Luke, you have another one. Blinkmore. Luke. Yeah. Skill. Skill issue. Look, guess number two. Sun comes up.

Sun comes up. Tired. Tired. All right. Sun comes up. Your answers are so revealing of yourself. You're supposed to guess for the other people. We surveyed LNG.

Whatever. Number three, survey says, sore eyes. That's 15 points to Linus. Response, Number two is legs or butt going numb. Yeah. 20 points to Luke.

And response number one was back or neck pain. Oh, okay. Definitely posture issue. What is wrong with my coworkers? All right. Problem number three, name your favorite LTT store item. Luke, you're up first. Okay, Luke goes first.

Nice. Screw driver. Screw driver. Damn. Um, internal people. Ooh. Oh. That's tougher.

Trying to remember all the bloody stuff we make. We make so much. I'm going to say scribe driver. Scribe driver for Linus. I'll get some on that, I feel like. Backpack. Backpack. Everyone got one at the Christmas party, so it has probably the most internal exposure.

That's actually really smart gamesmanship. And guess number of the last one, Linus. I'm going to go with water bottle. That's got some for sure. It's got to. It has to. Guess number three is. Cargo pants.

Shoot. That makes sense. The cargo pants are sick. That makes sense. Number two. Backpack. Nice. 15 points to Luke.

Number one. Do you know number one? It's screwdriver. Yes. Let's go. Hold on. I got to do some tabulation here. Coming out of nowhere.

Oh, I should have gone backpack. You're right. Fudge. When I went, it was like, Backpack might be one. I was still happy with screwdriver, but I was like,

if he gets backpack, then he's getting number of. two foot. Luke pulls ahead. Prompt number four. Linus, you're up first here. Name something you would use a magnet for. Linus, you're up first.

Something you would use a magnet for. Sticking to my fridge. Okay. I don't know. That's pretty good. Picking up screws. Picking up screws. Linus guest number two. mounting a tool

and look final guess cable management oh crap that's a good one look for cable management guest number three picking something up like drop screws almost verbatim nice that's cheating okay uh guess number two sticking something to a fridge

nice nice and guest number one is cable management yeah oh such a good one that's a good one a good one. All right. I have no excuse for that one. That's so dumb. Yeah.

More LTT store answers. I feel like they almost answered, like, they almost reverse family feuded us here. Like trying to give responses that we would think of. And the last one, LMG, LTT store answer. It really is. Cableman. Come on. Yeah.

Cheap, cheap, cheap. And lastly, name something you're likely to leave at the hotel while traveling. Linus, you're up first because you're in last place. Cable. Okay, so is this like you have left the hotel permanently? You've checked out. Yeah, you've left it at the hotel. I'm going with cable.

Cable, okay. Luke? I don't like my guess anymore. Yeah, like charger. Linus. Sock. Oh, sock. Are you a kick your socks off in bed kind of guy?

Yeah, definitely. I used to be, and then I left a lot of socks in hotel rooms. And now I just like, I'm like, no, no, not that. And I'll take them and I'll put them in my pile. I think I've been pretty good about it. The last one. I'll make my last guess, so I'm going back to chat. Toothbrush.

I don't know. It's not very good, but toothbrush. Okay, let's see here. I feel like this one's going to be quite. Number three, headphones or earbuds. They love headphones. Really? How do you manage to leave your headphones behind?

I would definitely never leave my headphones. Why? Yeah, I would never leave my head. Number two, toothbrush. Oh, nice. 15 points to Luke. How do you people lose your toothbrush? How do you lose your toothbrush?

I think of your toothbrush. But I was just trying to think of things. Like, I just, oh, man. I've definitely left socks. That one was good. And number one, Charger for 25 points. Gee-G. G-G.

I mean, your defense, I wasn't even sure Charger would count because it was so similar to cable. I was going to give Linus, judgment on cable if nobody picked it. Um, so that is 155 points to Luke, 85 points to line. Yikes. Yikes.

Get obliterate. I was worried there at the start. Dude, purified water. What is wrong with you? People just never, they didn't really think about it. Yeah, it is technically technology, but like, not in the way we're talking about it right now. What is wrong with like floor water? I can't live without the wheel.

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They sure will. Steam machine. Price leak. Yeah. I was kind of wondering if... Because at some point in time on Wanshow, we said expected prices, didn't we? Didn't we both guess? We've talked about it. I've guessed in a dedicated video on LTT.

So what did you get? Because I know I have guessed, but I don't remember what I said. So what did you guess? I don't remember my guess. There's also a note that I think you just flashed it on screen. People are saying this is all BS. It might be, we have no idea. It's a leak or a rumor or whatever.

But there's also people that have noted that in Czechia, the tax is included in the price. So this would be with tax. Okay. So my guess, and yeah, this could be total, this could be total nonsense. How did this comment get, Oh yeah, it surprised me as well. Top up voted on Reddit of all places.

Yeah. You know what? That's fine. I, uh, okay. Anyway, the point is, uh, my guess, according to the AI overview. Imagine using AI to find your own, um, information. It does sound right though. Uh, my guess was apparently six, six, 69.

However, I did, I did pull the totally, um, um, I'm expecting for 700.8. Okay, yeah, Vice says, I believe, $6.99. Apparently, that's what I said. However, I did pull the totally BS move of saying, barring any major changes in the

market, which was, because DRAM was like, looking like it was going to go parabolic. So you said $6.99? US. Yep. Which... So it looks like they're tax on electronics there, if I'm correct,

with the Googling is 21%. Okay. So what's $699 times 21% is but another $120, $130 or something like that? So $830. So I could be off by over $100 if, if it's just a straight conversion. There's very likely also, like usually when you have something come up here, it'll be like, yeah, it's price converted and then also round it up to the highest. closest 99.

So there's also stuff going on like that. Miss me with that sales tax BS here in Oregon? Yeah. Oh, right, because they don't have it. Neat, cool. But what we're talking about

is why the listed price on this leak might actually be higher than you might expect, even if the leak is true, which is because the tax might be included in this price because they include tax in their price in this region. J. Christ O8 says people say the retailer adds 17% margin as well.

Sounds like a credible person. Yeah. Yeah, we already knew that part. Yeah. But then also margin for this retailer. So all of that combined. Oh, okay. I might be really close.

Land it pretty close. This is what I was kind of effectively get to. Yeah. Huh, that'd be kind of cool. I wasn't expecting really to be right because I know there's so much volatility. So regional pricing plus tax being included, plus retailer markup, not coming directly from Steam, all that kind of stuff. might land it pretty close to what was expected.

I think the conversation now is kind of the branching decision tree then. So if this is right, and it actually ends up being like $900 to $1,000 U.S. dollars, is it DOA to you? No. Really? Yeah, I don't think so at all. I yield the floor. One thing is I'm wondering about competing devices that include a Windows license

if they will be priced competitively still after some of these vendors update their prices to reflect increasing DRAM prices both in the, you know, honestly across the system because a variety of different things to use DRAM these days. GPs are going up in price,

everything else is going up in price? So like, is this actually not that competitive? It might still be cheaper because of no windows. It might still be cheaper because of a variety of different reasons. pricing is going through the freaking roof right now. correction for people who are about to tell him that nobody buys Windows, they definitely do. Especially when they're buying pre-bills, which this effectively is. But then Windows also doesn't cost that much as a license on a pre-built machine.

Do you know how much it is? I don't remember. It's a lot less than retail, but it also significantly depends on your agreement with Microsoft. Like at NCIX, retail was like $100, $110, and our cost was like $90. Like it wasn't much lower. but we also weren't like a proper SI and I think a big part of the reason that we couldn't get proper SI pricing

was that they knew that we would just sell OEM copies to regular retail customers. For sure. For sure. And so they like couldn't trust us with it essentially. I'm trying to find... And that was true, not just of NCIX, but the retail sort of PC hardware channel in general.

You just can't trust those guys to like abide by a licensing terms thing. which from a consumer standpoint is pretty awesome and pro-consumer. It's just that from Microsoft's, hey, we'd like to get the money that we intended for this particular licensing terms agreement is not conducive to that. I'm trying to figure out how much it cut. Oh, here we go. While you're working on that, Amaker in float plane chat says,

but do you think Valve saw the reaction to your price estimate not being ridiculously angry and just went with it? No, I don't think I have that kind of influence. Yeah. It's so funny that my job title has literally become, you know, as the, as the terms have changed, has become an influencer. And I legitimately like do not have nearly as much influence as a lot of people seem to think I do. I think you said this last show as well. I think you're absorbing that term in the wrong direction, in my opinion.

I think when most people say influencer, they don't mean of companies. They mean of the audience. No, no, that's 100% true. So they're not talking about your ability to influence valid. for Nvidia. Well, a lot of people in the audience think it goes both ways, though. Right. It, like, for sure does. I think there are a lot of, I think there are a lot of people in the online media slash influencer space who pretend that it does as well. I think there's definitely the ability to influence rage within a company at certain employees for doing certain things. So like, uh, if something

goes poorly, a high up that sees that thing go poorly might crush down on someone for it. but if that was literally what they were intending and you're like, I don't like it because price go up. Yeah, we're not having any kind of real impact on high-level decisions. I mean, if online anger from, you know, influencers and fans or whatever could affect major decisions at large companies, like Disney's Star Wars leadership would not be what it is right now. Yeah. But yeah, I still think this has viability. There's also that another aspect of this that you've talked about fairly extensively at this point, which is the top 10% of earners buying 50% of things.

Oh, the K-shaped economy. Does this really affect the top 10% of earners? No, but I also don't think that they were necessarily going to be after such a mainstream product in the first place. I don't know. I think... You can get a lot more PC for $1,000. Yeah, but I don't think being top percent percent... I don't think being top 10 percent earner means...

You're savvy. Yeah. That's fair. I think it's like, oh, cool, steam has more hardware. I really like the steam deck. I'd be cool with more steam stuff. I'll just attach it to my PC. I'll buy the Steambox thing that can play video games on my TV.

That's awesome. So next week, we're going to be shooting me building my own steam machine. Hold on. 10% is still a huge market. No. It's 10% of income earners are 50% of the purchasing market. Yeah. So the top 10% of earners are responsible now for 50% of US spending.

This is specifically in the US. Which for a wide variety of reasons is super bad. It's wild. Yeah. Like absolutely mind blowing. Like you can literally target the top 10% and you can hit half of the spending in the entire U.S. market. and when you consider how much lower margin

that other 90, the products you're selling to that other 90% are because they're going to be, you know, more entry-level products, all the lucrative opportunities, I shouldn't say all, but many of the lucrative opportunities can be had by only targeting the very, very top earners in that market. no so Ballster says it's bad but it's still what 35 million people they can sell to no no that's not what's going on that's completely not that's completely besides the point the point is that when brands are targeting their product development and their marketing they can just ignore

90% of Americans and you know those 90% can go hey please we're drowning and we can't afford this and brands can be like don't care because they can access 50% of the consumer spending the far more lucrative far more profitable spending by only targeting the top percent of earners that's the point yeah it's not yeah the yeah when you're looking at amount of sales it's 50% of sales are to 10% of people nipolis cage says invidia has entered the chat. Yeah, that's a prime example. That was exactly what gave me the epiphany about this. Was like, I was trying to put together how all gamers seemingly are so angry at Nvidia. And yet, Nvidia's gaming revenue keeps going up.

And I was like, everyone's mad. They keep selling more GPUs. Their market share keeps being over 90%. How do I reconcile these? Well, right. It's because those 90% are a very loud voice, but not a very powerful voice to people who, to whom the only language that matters is how much of my shit you're buying. And that was how I kind of finally put it together and I went, oh, right. So these angry gamers, I mean, you might as well be, you might as well be someone who pirated the movie complaining that you didn't like the plot.

Literally, you don't matter. you have no voice to a company whose only language is money and that and that's just the case once an organization gets large enough is everything boils down to to a spreadsheet to a finance document right

you literally have no voice if you're if you're not exchanging money with this company um dead anti-social and float plane chat says buy more money yeah well Yeah, that's rough.

Yeah, so I still think it'll be interesting for that 10% of people, which means that if it is, if that is true, if it is interesting to those 10% of people, then it will probably be successful. Chapper 88 says, is there a do-your-one steam machine video coming? Yes. I finally get to build it next week. I've been out of town, so Justin and Jordan got to have some of the fun

without me, but it's going to be in the original steam machine prototype case that Valve sent out completely overhauled hardware. That's awesome. Like, like cutting edge AMD processor for both CPU and GPU, like super fast machine. It's still going to use all commodity hardware. So unlike the official steam machine, 2026, whatever year they attach to it, it will be upgradeable in the future. And we tried to make it match the OEM steam machine experience in every way. And we were not able to get there for reasons that we'll get into a way more detail in the video. But it's good enough. It's good enough for me.

And I'm pretty excited about it. Yeah. Oh, too far gone says it's time for the weekly Intel Arc Check. I'm actually worried because all the rumors that I've seen have been GPU prices going up in January. Let's see. Has the arc B580 gone up in price? Okay, that's not a good sign.

Oh, oh, yeah, that's not good. Okay, you know what? No, 259 is within my margin of what I consider to be MSRP. There is still one arc. The Onyx Lumi that is available for 259. Dan, do you remember, can you post the link? Wait. The female audience in float plane chat, along with Nokey, Mr. Nebih, and some other people are reminding me of what our New Egg affiliate URL is.

It's LM.g.g. Feel free to use that link and then go and pick up an ARCB580 12 gig GDDR6 GPU with the Intel Holiday bundle, which I remind you, includes Battlefield 6. There you go. Or one of these other games. If you prefer dying light the beast, Assassin's Creed Shadows, or Siv 7, for some reason or other. Yeah, you probably won't. Yeah, you probably won't take that last one. It's there. That's cool.

Yeah. Great, high-end, high-detail 1080p gaming card. Even can handle 1440p, if you don't mind a little bit of, you know, X-CSS, upscaling, just, yeah, super-quality card. I, um, I actually,

didn't realize this until I was chatting with him at CES, but David Gautier, who did the most recent Arc Challenge and actually sold, I think he had a 3080, 3090 or something like that. Some really solid. I don't know what it was, but it was really solid. You know how at the end of the video, he's like, I'm just staying on Arc. He's still on Arc. That's cool. And I was chatting with him about it. And he's like, yeah, I've just, I've just disengaged from, because we were talking about how I came across a comment on, I think it was on the, the AMD show coverage video where I pulled a GPD win five out of my backpack and was like, I've been playing Expedition 33 on this at 1080P, like epic details, no upscaling required.

It's incredible. To be clear, I'm not targeting 60 FPS at Epic on it. I have to go down to like medium or high or use a little bit of a little bit of a little bit upscaling in order to, if I wanted like 60 plus FPS. The point is just like, it looks, I was like, this looks so good, it's absolutely incredible, and I'm not using any upscaling. AMD's, Strix, Halo chips are absolutely incredible, but they're expensive. That was sort of the point that I was going through.

So someone, um, actually me in the comments, and they were like, Expedition 33 is a piece of shit game because you actually can't run it without any kind of of upscaling or gross TAA or whatever. I spent like several hours trying to fix it and turn all that stuff off and I couldn't, I returned the game. And I was like, okay. First of all, brother, sorry. What I meant was I set my upscaling scale to 100%.

If that still has some filters or whatever that bother you, then fine. But I think my, I think my meaning was clear. number two get over it it's a great game if it is even at all even remotely a genre you enjoy

or you just are looking for an adventure and a wonderful story with engaging characters get over it and just play it and so I was so I was talking to David

about that interaction and that was when he mentioned like yeah I'm just I've just disengaged myself from needing to obsess over every pixel, and I'm so much happier. And he said it at the end of the arc challenge, I just wasn't sure if it would stick, but he's still running his B580, and guy's a gamer. Like, don't kid yourself. It's not that he just like, I don't know, didn't really care that much because he doesn't play games that much.

Like, a gamer. Definitely a gamer. confirmed verified actual gamer and I don't know man I'm just like whenever I hear people freaking out about GPU prices I'm like hey or hear me out buy the one that isn't unreasonably priced just buy it

I want to leak it so bad but I won't but we have something very cool coming for this whole arc price check thing that's all I'm gonna say seriously that's all I'm gonna say You can't do that. That's all I'm going to say. That's, that's, you don't have that power.

Wait, he does now. I do. He's drunk, he's got drunk with power. He owns half the WAN show for, for two weeks. It's not even, it's not even WAN show stuff, though. It's a different department. But yeah, no, I really wanted to show it off this week and to use it this week. Yeah.

But we won't. We will use it in the future. Oh, I think I know where you're going with this. It's exciting. All right. That does sound very exciting. and I'm excited for it. Yeah.

All right. What are we supposed to be doing now? Oh, float plane announcement. Yes, sir, Dan. I'm on it. Oh, my God. There's so many more topics still.

That's fine. This is fun. I'm having fun. Wait, I was about to say the show is brought to you today by float plane. Ah, no. Nice. No.

Yeah. It's brought to you with float plane. Heck yeah. Where is the float plane announcement? Oh, there they are. Luke. Did you know that CES happened this week? Look, I'm just reading Sammy.

thing here. I take no responsibility for this. I didn't know because nothing eventful happened. Okay, that is actually, that is actually legit. This is why I kind of opted to not go. Sort of saw it coming. This was the

lowest energy CES that I think I have been to maybe the recovery year, the first year after COVID, because it was pretty slow, but there was at least tech that year. But like in terms people it was pretty slow? I asked a lot of brands. Like, look, level with me here. I'm not leaking

anything. You know that. I've been around for a while. Yeah. Do you really have anything? What's shaken? No. Not even bacon. No. And there was a lot of people that are like, you know, I can't say, but I'd be like, well, I'm considering like not going. I'm trying to figure out if I need to go. And they'd be like, yeah, okay. For the first. For the first. First time ever. I don't know if you know this. I came back a day early. I didn't until like half an hour before the show. Someone mentioned you got here Wednesday or whatever and I was like, whoa. No, I got here. I got here yesterday afternoon. I was in office yesterday. I was supposed to be flying back this morning. And I came back a full day early. It's not even that normal for you to still be there on Friday. Yeah. Like doing the show from Vegas. We've done that. Not abnormal, he means. That would be normal to be there all week. Yeah. But like we got some stuff done ahead of time.

So MSI sent over that monitor with their 5th-gen QDO-led panel. So we were able to talk about like hardness improvements and magenta, whatever. That was a sponsored video, full disclosure. But it was still cool new tech that was coming at CES. What was another one we did early? We did, we did Dell's like 6K monitor early, also sponsored. And then once I got there, I got briefed on the new. new DLSS stuff, like the night we arrived, which is on the weekend, which is still before the

show. So I had all the information, but then of course, you know, with any brand and no offense to NVIDIA, but particularly NVIDIA, what I'll do is I'll write branching versions of the script. One where everything they tell me is totally true and one where there's a little bit of bullshit mixed in with it. So you always go with the one on the left? And this time, no. Oh. Dude, have you tried DLSS 4.5? No. We'll get to that in a second. Okay.

First, so I got briefed on that. I think I wrote and shot the AMD coverage because we had a pre-briefing on that. And then Intel, I was able to do on the very first day of the show because I had that sponsored thing for MSI's laptops. They wanted to show off their prestige laptop and their stealth. And both of them contained Panther Lake. And I was like, okay, listen, guys, here's what we can do. I can do a dedicated sponsored LTT on these two laptops, and you can have 300,000 views.

Or, hear me out, Panther Lake is kind of a big deal. I really want to talk about Panther Lake. You can be the vehicle through which I talk about Panther Lake. That will get probably closer to a million views. And by the time I start talking about your laptop, probably half of those people will have tuned out. That is still more than you will get. That is still a W.

If I make the video just about your laptop, and they were super understanding about that, and we're basically like, okay, go ahead. So I pretty much got my entire Panther Lake coverage, which I had all the slides from, from the way better presentation that was like the architectural dive rather than the keynote. I didn't even see the keynote.

I heard it was trash. I've heard some very bad things. And I'm actually super glad that I ended up taking that approach rather than even go I didn't even go to the keynote Keynotes are so dumb. Yeah, because there was actually a spontaneous post on the subreddit, like the LTT subreddit that was just like, hey, thanks Linus for providing like a really balanced take on Panther Lake. And I was like I didn't even really feel like I had it particularly. Oh, it's because you didn't see the keynote. It's because I didn't watch the keynote. So I literally just. looked at the Panther Lake architectural brief and I looked at the

lineup and I looked at what they're claiming in terms of like GPU and efficiency improvements and I was like and then I was able to game on it at the MSI booth and I was like, yo this thing's sick. What games do they have available? I didn't ask for

more than just cyberpunk because I've seen it on so many different platforms that you just you get a feel you get a feel for it and I was able to feel enough that I was like, I am justified in being enthusiastic about this. That was all I needed to know, right? It's show coverage.

It's not a full review. At the event that we went to for Panther Lake a bit ago, they had a laptop there that you could game on, but they had one game. It was already loaded in. You couldn't open the settings. Oh, I was allowed to. You couldn't see the frame rate,

and it was a unreleased game. Okay. So I gave feedback being just like, guys. You got to be slightly more, useful than this. This meant actually nothing. Like, yeah. Please. And they seemed receptive, so that was cool.

Anyway, so yeah, so by like day two, I think it was, was it Tuesday or Wednesday? It was whatever was the day of the robot fight. Yeah. UFB 5 here, hold on, let me find it. Where's that going up, by the way?

We're going to have a video, and then also I think they're going to have their own things. Okay, so January 6th. So by Tuesday, Tuesday. Because that was, so Sunday, Monday. You were like done? By Tuesday. I had nothing booked for Tuesday morning. Yeah. So that's where, finally, coming all the way around to Sammy and his float plane announcements, Sammy pings me, he's like, yo, do you want to just go hang out on the show floor? I really like doing these. Um, so yeah. Sammy and I hung out on the show floor. We went through the, uh, was this the North Hall or the Central Hall? I forget which one it was. But we just did, we just did. We just did. We just did. We just. did one of the halls together. And it was cool. We found some cool stuff. I found some cool contacts.

I found a company that makes, like, a really cool competitor to conformal coding. That's like, you can rework. You can apply it without masking. Right? So we're going to hopefully collaborate with these guys. I found, I found a company that does, like, flight sims, but, like, professional ones. Oh. But also a cut-down education.

version that's still like pretty legit but doesn't have the motion controls and stuff and they're down to collab on like a ten dollar versus hundred thousand dollar flight sim that's cool actually so I'm super excited about that that's awesome so it was like it was great I actually got to attend the show floor as like a networking event for for a day and then I had the I had the the bot fight thing which was something it was quite the experience we've talked for a long time. I actually had a conversation with Emma about this this morning. She was asking me about CES and like, why didn't I go? Yeah. And I gave this spiel of just like there's, I just knew there was nothing this year. Like I just, it was in my bones. I knew there was nothing this year.

I also tried to get suss out feelings from these different companies and no one was really giving me anything. And usually you can kind of see in the eyes of somebody. when you ask them, like, is there really going to be anything? You can see the like, the competitive spirit a little bit when they're like, I can't tell you, but you can just see it.

They're like, oh, I've got something. I feel the energy. It's like when I guess pricing. Nobody had that. Yeah. Like, you can tell if you're close. Yeah, yeah. And I was just like, there just wasn't anything.

And Salmo asks, did you get anything good for the Tonight Show? I did. There was like gimmicky stuff that I think is going to sell really well for like a TV audience. Sure. And there's like,

wow factor stuff. But it's not an LTT video. It's not something you should buy, you know? So this was my next point. Necessarily. Some of it's pretty cool. Some of it's pretty cool. This feels like an additional inflection point.

Because we had the original, you and me working together. We walk into the little little thing at NCX and there's a mountain of products and you just film, film, and then you're done. And then there was part way through. I don't necessarily know the exact year, but there was partway through when we started having discussions about like, we need to make the content now. We need to become the news, I think is what I used to say. Yeah. There isn't enough interesting automatic news. There isn't enough products coming out.

This feels like another dip in that. Where like your show floor walk where you're saying, oh, I networked and I found these interesting video ideas, oh, we can make this video idea on this, this flight same thing. That makes a ton of sense to me personally. We can't just wait for it to come to us. That's what we have to do now. Yep. Yeah. And that's where the tech house.

That's where the tech house comes in. Emma brought up the tech house. Emma was like the tech house makes a lot of sense now because you guys have to take an additional stuff. step forward to push even harder to make the news or whatever, whatever, however you want to define it. Yeah, we will. And it's, it's, it's not necessarily a doom and gloom time. It's just adapting with the times.

And now we're in kind of a two year cadence almost. We're like, I bet you next CES will be decently interesting. I think so. I think Compuetext is actually going to be pretty sick. Competext will probably be pretty good because next CES will be interesting. I guess I just kind of like casually dropped that by the way

Yeah we should talk about that I don't know It's up somewhere Yeah I know I just don't know how it works I'm like boomer Trying to navigate this I'm going to Guess I Don't

Understand Tickets Request tickets something posted on Instagram I mean it's got to be okay shows come on

okay the Tonight show with Jimmy Fallon okay come on here we go here we go I think I got it I think I got it

here we go I just need to bit it but hey I might meet Jason the Moe that'd be pretty cool that's pretty sweet

I okay this is going to be embarrassing I have to look up this guy oh I think he's S&L comedian writer Known for his work on Saturday Night Live?

Okay, that's cool. Super cool. Okay. So yeah, Thursday. Thursday. Put it in your calendar. Thursday, January 15th. Gonna be on the Tonight Show

with Jimmy Fallon. We've actually got a bunch of really cool stuff. That's going to... It's more mainstream. Because, you know, we're talking to a very different audience from the LTT audience.

And you've got to be able to kind of hold it. There's... There's limitations. Yeah, like I saw a really incredible chocolate 3D printer. That it's like on demand. So it takes only, I think it only took about 30 seconds. No, no, it was more than 30 seconds. So it was about two minutes to like poop out a chocolate like about this big,

like a chocolate 3D printer. And so you basically go, yeah, I want this one. I want it in this shape. And it prints it for you and then it comes out and it's like ready to eat. And I was like, that'd be super cool. How on earth would we get it there? Yeah, but like how. It could make a lot of sense.

But if it was there and that's difficult. How fun would it be to start the segment being like, okay, okay, Jimmy, pick what shape of chocolate you want. And he goes like, do to do. And then we get a little bit of footage if it's starting. Pick a shape and then try this piece of chocolate and then give him a piece of chocolate in that shape or something. While we wait for this to go, let me show you some other cool stuff. Yeah. Hey, feels like we've waited long enough for our chocolate.

Is it done? It's done. And then there's chocolate Jimmy. And then he eats it. Exactly, right? Like that kind of thing. But just the logistics. of getting something like that. On a relatively short time frame. It just seemed like they just weren't really going to happen. Yeah.

So yeah, there was, there was lots of stuff. We had lots of options. We actually gave them a menu that was like a dozen plus items long. And I think we've narrowed it down to about half a dozen now. Do you guys do the like writer hunt again? We actually had, um, or procurement hunt. Yeah, who was it who was on that? We had someone who was basically dedicated for a couple of days to, finding things for the tonight show which makes no financial sense because no not because they didn't try but I wasn't compensated in any way for the last appearance and I doubt that I am this time because it's

I'm Canadian and so it's like harder for them to pay me or harder for me to accept the funds for some like tax or production reasons I don't remember it wasn't their fault but it's like it's not it doesn't make it doesn't make any like money sense but it

It's fun. Yeah. It's just fun. It's like, it's like, someone made an offhand comment to me about that, that UFB robot fight thing. They were like, oh, I assume they just threw like a big bucket of money at you. And I was like, no. It just sounds fun.

If they did, I would have disclosed it, so you would have known. But also, I was just like, I don't know, fuck it. I'm going to do a robot fight. Come on. I keep telling people. Why wouldn't you? Dude, I'm so, I feel like I'm so easy to figure out. Like, I'm telling people.

I'm in my zero-fix-given phase in my career. So when I decide to just like, realistically spend a lot of money to go and like, I don't know, be on TV and meet Jason Mamoa because that sounds pretty cool. And also Fallon's super cool too, by the way, from the limited interactions I've had with them.

We're not like BFFs. Or if I want to like be in a robot fight, I don't know, man. I'm just, I'm just going to do it. I don't care anymore Yeah, sweet I don't care anymore I'm just gonna go for it

Do you want to leave CES early Because it's just kind of boring Yeah I might just do that too Yeah whatever Let me check Let me check the Jimmy Fallon Leads chats

There is a point in time Where that would not have been an option Shout out Jake Belivance For all the cool stuff that he posted I think Sean Caldera might have been our guy Or was it Nolan I can't remember who was assigned to that It might have been Nolan

But yeah we We put in the word We put in the work. Oh, right, what was I supposed to be talking about? Oh, yeah. Okay, other exclusives over at elmg.g.g., slash, floatplane. We have LMG's favorite tech of the year featuring the one and only, Mr. Riley Murdoch.

But that's all you get to see if you don't want to subscribe over on Floplane. Our discussion question is, what was Linus Luke and Dan's tech of the year? Who's your tech of the year? I would love to stay big screen beyond two if I've tried it yet. You still haven't tried it? I have not. You haven't tried it?

No. I need to know if I'm going to get one or not. It's all hinging on you. I told you could borrow it. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, you should have just borrowed it. Also, I can't do that. It's your unboxing experience.

I already unboxed it. It can't come used. I can. You paid for it. I unboxed it. I put it on my face. I just never turned it on. Did you get a little can for it?

No, I didn't. You know what the worst part? part is. I was at like, I was at Pymax's booth. Their new ones might be a better beyond than the beyond. There's tradeoffs. There's tradeoffs. They don't have the custom fit

gasket. Are they like huge? Nope. No. They have a new one. Actually, is that, is that video up yet? There's a, there's a short circuit. Short circuit. I'm not that worried about it. I'm happy that the space seems to be moving right now.

I love that they're pushing it forward. Yeah. Yeah. I purchased something that I was really excited about and that's okay. I'm not like if there's, if the, if the steam frame is really cool, great. If the new Pymax is really cool, great. That's not a problem. I think it's great.

I don't want that space to die. And competition is good. And I'm not, I'm not going to be frustrated about my purchase because something happened to me that delayed my ability to use it. So are you just trying to show off how much more mature you are than the average consumer right now. I'm trying to figure out your motivation for giving this spiel. I think it's just like, I don't, I don't love that, like, sometimes.

Oh, my God. I just, um, I don't love that, uh, beyond, Big Screen Beyond has been put in this, like, position of like, does everyone regret their purchases now that there's competitors? And it's like, whatever, dude, they made a cool thing. Like, the Pymax one is not as light. Is it the crystal light? Is that where we're looking at? No, it's the.

Dream or error or something? Dream Air? Dream Air. SE maybe? Yeah, there it is. That's one. Okay, so here it is. Oh, yeah, that's pretty small.

So it doesn't have the custom gasket. It's not as light. But they do have a number of options for the, um, wait, is this the S.E? Yeah. Yeah. That is not the resolution that they told me. Okay, check the dream error, not S. Okay, because they told me a different resolution.

Was I on the S.E? It might just look really similar. 38, 40 by 355.2 for the non-es. Okay, good. Then the non-S-E is the one that I was covering at the show. Okay, so should we check that one out? The FOV seems way higher than the... I mean, they've always been FOV heavy, haven't they?

That's kind of their deal. It's been like their thing, yeah. So these are 4K per eye, up to 90 hertz. Do they come in clear, though? Clear? Like the... The big screen beyond... Comes in clear.

Yeah, dude, it's so sick. It is so cool. So cool. Like, that has... of value. Yeah. It actually does. Oh yeah. I think their I think their cable management is a little better. They did a cool cable that splits the display port and the other data and it actually plugs in on both sides so it doesn't and their rationale for it was that very lightweight headsets if they're being tugged from one side are more susceptible. For sure. That makes sense. It's inside out though. Did you get a clear when I got the

translucent orange? It's both. So that's pretty cool. There's two versions of the dream air. one that uses lighthouse tracking and one that uses slam which is pretty cool they can't be unlike Pimex's other ones that have like swappable modules and stuff it's not modular you can't like can't just turn one of them into the other one

but it looks pretty good it looks pretty darn good very impressive I am gonna take a total cop-out path here and I'm gonna say Steamframe It's not out yet. Yeah, that doesn't seem fair. Is that a hack?

That does seem like a hack. Because I'm so excited. I'm so excited for it. That is sick. I think for this answer, it has to be stuff that came out this year. It's for reasons that are so specific to me. Like, I have that weird fanless, cooled machine in my rec room that I use for VR. And specifically, the big screen Beyond 2's like breakout box, like doesn't really work to get into where the IO is in that case.

and their cable's a little shorter than the index. So, like, the cable management kind of sucks, and I can't really, like, I can't really put that cool machine up on a little pedestal where I want it without putting a hole in the side of my media console. So it's just been, like, kind of janky and annoying me, and being able to switch to wireless is going to make it all look so much nicer.

It's, like, so specific to exactly how I want to use it. Although I am going to have four holes in my ceiling now for where my base stations used to be, and I will not need those anymore. You can fix those. unnecessary, but hey, anyone looking for some base stations? All right, okay, so pick something for this year. You know what?

Okay, fine. I'm going to go with something that is out this year, even though it kind of sucks so far. And I'm going to go with micro-R-GB backlights. Mini-R-GB, mini, not micro, but RGB backlighting. That new high-sense TV, the 116-inch that we looked at earlier this year, not there yet. because you get, when you have a dimming zone that isn't just a glow, when it's like a colored glow,

not great whenever you spot it. And the motion response on it was not good. The pixel-to-pixel transition times are just too long. But I can see where they're going with it. And it's like really cool, really exciting. Yeah. All right.

How'd we get on this subject? I mean, that was the subject. So you can go back to topics now. Yeah, that was a murder. message. No, it was a full plane announcement talking about CES. Oh, was it? Yeah. Whoa. I don't know. My job is just to talk. So like, well, you did it correctly and then second guess yourself. Thanks, Dan. Wait. Classic. You don't have to. You're great. Something I want to throw out there really quick was that I got my Reddit account back. Oh. Hooray. I don't remember

which day it was. I think it was like Tuesday or something. I got a text message when I was still asleep because time zones and stuff, I guess, never noticed it, and then got a quick call, probably one of the fastest calls I've literally had in my life. Okay. From a robot at DeBrand, which is how they will be referenced. Nice.

I didn't even know that this robot had my number, but they called me, and I recognized the robot and was like, okay. I picked up the phone, and they were like, hey, I have a contact. Do you want me to solve it? And I was like, yeah, that'd be sweet.

I'd like, cool, loop you in by. Click. Gone. I was like, whoa. What? And then like, literally like 10 minutes later or something, I got an email from somebody being like, yeah, I can solve that. Just do this thing real quick. I do that thing real quick.

I count back. Wow. Done. All right. That was crazy. That was pretty cool. Not going to lie. Raggaitus on in float plane chat. Thanks, robot.

It's good to be the king. That was pretty sick. Pixel cat. Now that's influential. That was pretty cool. Where is this man's Wikipedia page? That should be on the Wikipedia page. Aided by a robot.

Got his Reddit account back. But yeah, thanks, DeBrand. I appreciate it. And thank you, Robot. How much you want to bet that your Wikipedia page is already better? Better than what? Better than it was when we looked at it earlier in the show today. Oh, maybe.

It's never going to happen. I mean, I said that about myself. Wait, why can I, I can't even find it anymore. You go into that Reddit thread and then click on it, right? Was that where? Oh, yeah, that is how I found it before. Okay, let's see. Let's see if it's improved.

Oh, come on, guys. Get it together. Oh, come. Oh, man. All right. What else do we have here? At least you should call them Brobot.

But their specific, like, branding around it is robot, though. So I'll be nice. But I do like Brobop. This is cool. Co-founder of both CD Project Red and GOG has acquired GOG from CD Project Red, reiterates philosophy of freedom independence and genuine control. It's cool that CD Project Red wanted to divest of this asset

to focus on other things and didn't. sell it to private equity? Yeah, I dove into this a decent amount. Yeah. And it just actually seemed totally fine. Wholesome and chill? Yeah. Love it.

I was like, where's the badness in this? And it never showed up. Isn't it cool when CD Project Red just like behaves all cool? Yeah. Yeah, they don't always get things perfectly right. Nope. No? Nobody does.

No, they don't. But I see, I think that's important. I think that at this point, it is just such a bad faith bullshit take to talk about, you know, how crappy cyberpunk was at launch. Anyone who was upset about it got a refund and they made the game good.

And a lot of those people just bought it again. What more can they do? I don't know why this made me think of it, but they will never solve Starfield. Starfield, that's Bethesda, though. I know. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, I thought you were,

I was like, what does that have to do with CD Project? Nothing. Your based gamer status is removed immediately. I don't care about retail, wow. They're different companies. You're done? Wait, you're a Starfield fan? No, no, no, no, no.

That he thought that they never. I'm thinking like of the great comebacks. It's like they were, it's fairly similar time, right? It was it was cyberpunk and no man's guy. And I know a lot of people have looked at Starfield and been doing the meme of like poking it with a stick and being like, hey, do the thing. It's not going to happen.

Okay. Binky draws says the most they can do is not let that situation happen again. No. People, they were human and they made a mistake and they're going to still be human and they will still make mistakes. Ideally, it's not the same mistake. But they might be different humans. But it might and it might be different humans. Actually, not might. It will be different. We're talking about a corporate entity. It's not all the same people. I can more or less guarantee that people have been hired, people have been fired and people have quit in that period of time. Of course. I mean, it's a gaming studio.

So just layoffs. Have they done that? No, I don't think so. I don't know if, yeah, I don't know CDPR has done that. Infinite money. This isn't Microsoft, Dan. Oh, I'm so sorry. You could just say any other company ever.

Yeah, pretty much. I think that's something that in our fandom and in our passion sometimes even, we get, I don't know, we get just sort of emotional about sometimes. And we go, well, like, well, like, doing better should mean, being perfect going forward, and that's not going to happen. That's never going to happen for me. I promise you that. It's never going to happen for Linus Media Group or creator warehouse.

We had a thing show up on the subreddit earlier this week where someone ordered, I think it was an extra large hoodie, and they got a small. And then they contacted customer service, and we offered to send a replacement, and they got a small again. And they contacted customer service for a third time and asked for a new hoodie.

And we sent them a small a third time. That sucks. That's so rough. Nobody would do that on purpose. We need to like hand deliver them the right size or something. That's brutal. There's no,

there's no malice. You know? But sometimes, sometimes communication errors happen. Sometimes somebody didn't get their coffee when they pick an order. and it was the same person who skipped their coffee like a week later. And sometimes,

sometimes an entire batch gets mislabeled. And I legitimately don't know what happened with that yet. We will find out. Fortunately, it was a U.S. customer within the U.S., and so, like, we can get it back to the D.C. maybe and find out if it was a mislabeling on the packaging or a mispick. Like, things happen. I mean, um,

it's not good. Obviously, it would be better if everyone just, you know, bought a game that was perfect out of the box or bought a product and got the right thing in the mail at the third time at least. But like, you know, I think what's more important is that you move forward in good faith, you try to fix things.

And I think that's like such a, that's like my cornerstone these days. That's the thing that I, kind of clinging to is the concept of good faith engagement as long as someone is engaging in good faith which means with a genuine shared interest in reaching a mutually acceptable solution right they actually want the problem resolved because sometimes you have people who don't actually want to resolve the problem yeah they just want to be angry you know they just wants to watch the world burn master wayne how's a how's a how's a how's

Triple small shirt guy doing they they basically I haven't checked back in but what they said was at this point I think I just want a refund which we'll be totally fair totally totally totally totally fair we'd rather get you your shirt But if we can't then we'll settle for just you know our refund we should fix it by sending them the correct size and also a small in the same box What are you what is what Dan is and Adam, what are you guys talking about in the chat? Dan says we should hand-deliver a small the fourth time? No. I also said he was trying to move the dead stock.

Oh my God. Did Adam actually, did he comment on this? If someone would let me, I would hand-deliver it, lull. Yeah, no, Adam, that's not how these things work. That would be really funny, too. Take the Excel label off an Excel and put a small on it, even though it is an Excel shirt. Hand-deliver it. Here's your small.

Yeah, buddy. Wow, you've really put on weight. Above and the beyond. Jeez. It's a bunch of sizes up. Oh, no. You know who'd end up being too smalls if you try to send the cracks mice and a small?

That's funny. No, no. All right. What else we got here? CES of wacky stuff? Oh, yeah, we could do that. At CES 2026, they put AI in all sorts of wacky stuff.

Okay. And so we're supposed to rate out of five. Okay. How appropriate we think the AI is. Okay. Why don't we start with the AI barista from Bosch? Okay. Bosch debuts Alexa Plus for coffee. Are you laughing, Dan?

This is serious. This is serious coffee shit here, Dan Besser. Is it just like... I mean, coffee does that to you, but yeah. Bosch's new... Jesus. Amazon button to order to more toilet paper. Stick that right on the front.

Bosch's new AI-powered personal AI barista for its 800-series espresso machines built on Amazon's Alexa Plus brings conversational control to coffee brewing. But apparently the AI struggled a bit with simple tasks its predecessor handled with ease. All right, out of five, with five being the most appropriate. I don't drink coffee, but I think I'd give this like a two, because I feel like it's just going to select from like, I don't know, six different options that it can do. And it looked like there was a screen on it so you could just poke the thing.

and I feel like people have this whole thing of like, don't talk to me before I've had my coffee and now they made up, no, it's a one. People have a thing that says, don't talk to me before I've had my coffee. And now they're making you talk to your coffee machine. I think it's a one. I'm giving it a one.

A one. Yep. I feel like. The whole saying is don't talk to me before I've had my coffee. And then they're like, hey, you actually have to talk to things before you've had your coffee. I don't disagree with you. I'm just worried that you're painting yourself into a corner a little bit.

I might be. Because there could be something else. It might be worse ones. That's so much. Dumber? It's a two. All right, it's a two. I'm going with one. I think it's a two because it looked like you could kind of override it. I think it's a one because of how much, how little I would need to change. And to be clear, I don't drink coffee. What's the bottom of the scale? But how, one to five. Okay, so one is the bottom. Yeah, how little, how little I would need to alter what my like morning coffee experience would be. So I'm comparing this to how much better.

it would be to just have a preset. Like, No, that's what I'm saying. Just press the button is like definitely going to be better. You saw me using the super automatic that we have in the writing lounge or the writing department area. Yeah. You just push a button. Yeah.

But like there are different like versions of coffee it can make, I assume. I was looking at a super automatic. I'm in the market. Some of them can do 30, 40 types of coffee. Yeah. And most of them just do espresso plus. some form of milk, which is basically all you need. Like if it could do...

It does that. You don't have to talk to it. What's it? Yeah. What is it? The little art thing they put on top of the coffee. They're not going to be able to do that. Yeah, they won't be able to do that.

But if it could. Yeah, well, but then it wouldn't need AI for that anyway. Okay, so it's a one then. Put a bird on it. Alexa coffee machine. You know what? I'm going with two. I don't want to paint myself into a corner.

No, just... I'm just... I think it's just actually stupid. I don't think it's just actually stupid. I don't think it's... dumb. I was messing with you. I also think it's a one. All right, let's move on. Do you want to bring them up and then I'll do the, I'll read the things? Sure, yeah.

Samsung showcased AI O-L-E-D concepts. What? Why? Like a cassette player and a turntable, where the cassette uses AI to provide interactive display features and music recommendations, and the turntable, and the turntable integrates AI-degroids. AI-driven visuals on its circular OLED display. This one. One. I'm going to go with two.

One. I think this is a solid two because unlike the coffee maker, where it serves absolutely no purpose that anyone has ever asked for, ever, this... They're actually attempting to do something? It kind of reminds me of like a laser rock show. but way dumber so that makes it

not quite a one all right do you want to bring up the next one yeah sure I'm trying to figure out what this thing even is but go the govi life smart nugget ice maker that's a big guy

that is a very that is a very hey English isn't my first language word to use to describe anything to do with food nobody wants other than chicken nuggets Nobody wants a nugget of anything anywhere near any food. So the smart nugget

Ice Maker Pro introduced at CES 2026 uses AI noise guard trained to detect freeze-ups and automatically defrost so the machine runs more quietly and efficiently. Oh my God.

I think I think this is a four for me. Imagine how much more ice cream McDonald's would have sold if they had an AI to detect

when their ice cream machine isn't working imagine it now imagine that probably that wouldn't work anyway because that wasn't really the issue the thing for me is like if this is if this is just modern branding stuff and it's really just you know there's a little bit of machine

learning in there all right it might be cool I think if they're like trying to slap LLMs in this thing, it's stupid. But I think it might actually just be, okay, we need the stupid trendy words, but there's actually just like a little bit of machine

learning in here, which is like pretty all right. But if you want me to talk to my freaking ice maker, no, I don't think there's any of that. Which I don't think they're doing. Yeah. So like, I think this might actually just be a branding thing. Because like, their actual name for it is the Govi Life Smart Nugget

Ice Maker Pro. They didn't throw AI in the name. They did put smart in there. Although admittedly, that's more IoT era. I'll take smart right now over AI. I didn't like smart when it was around. It's like Windows 8.1. It's amazing how good the Phantom Menace looks in retrospect.

Yeah, now that the new things exist. Jar Jar Binks, you know what? Not that bad. Maybe he was okay. All right, next up. GE's new smart refrigerator with kitchen assistant combines a built-in barcode scanner that automatically adds groceries to a digital list

with an AI-powered camera system for tracking contents and reducing food waste alongside voice and touch controls to help manage shopping, meal planning, and inventory. What do you got? I wouldn't buy one because of data tracking invade data invasion all that kind of stuff if i'm purely if i completely ignore all of those very valid very large concerns it's probably like a five i give this one a three okay because i would

want something that does all of that stuff but this one won't yeah okay i mean that's fair so i was going on the assumption that all of the insane privacy concerns are not a thing yeah and i was going on the assumption that it worked both of which are not okay. There's no way. Yeah. Yeah, there's no way. If I had a fridge that legitimately was like, hey, here's everything that's in here, you could

make this. If it was doing all of this locally, which it's for sure not. I don't even care. If it was doing all this. I don't care. Why? You could just list those things out. Give it to Grock.

If it wants to make porn of my celery stocks, then let it do it. If I never, if I never had to think- That's not the problem. I don't care. I still don't care. There's like big problems with this. They can detect illnesses and sell that data and like there's lots of issues. I would be over it if it simplified meal planning.

That's my line. Meal planning sucks. It's like my least favorite thing in my entire life. You can already use LLM systems for meal planning. But I won't because it's not built into my fridge. That's dumb. If this actually worked, if this actually worked and I just, it would just like crap out like a thing that I could make and just give me instructions and I made it and it was delicious and nutritious.

You know what? You know how you've talked about how you don't have like a cook. Yeah, I don't. You should almost have like someone come in and just look at what you've got and make you recipes and then have them leave. That would be that would be the most unhinged thing ever. We could get Vance on this. What are you guys even talking about? That's not Vance's job. He's an executive assistant.

personal assistant. They're not the same thing. Are you not an executive? If you had a higher output. Then it's his job. Oh my God. Anyway. Yeah, it's not going to, I mean, it honestly might be able to suggest recipes.

I don't think so. Because it would have to have, it would have to properly track age of the, it would have to properly track what's in it. That stuff is concerning. The age of it. The age and date stuff is very concerned. assumption of it. What about the stuff you don't put it in the fridge?

Like, does it know you have rice? Yeah. Or beans. Yeah. Like it's... Yeah. So it just sucks. Yeah.

So... If it could do its claim and it wasn't obviously, obviously, making a decent amount of money selling all of your data, then I think it's really cool, actually. Yeah. But it is making a bunch of money selling all of your data, which is like a hard stop for a lot of people. And mostly for Dan's reason, to be completely honest. It's not going to work anyways.

No, it's not going to work. So, like... So, like... So I'm at a... Averaging my scores. The theory. Okay. Yes.

Okay, sure. Then, yeah, I think it's like a two. All right. All right. Next up. LePros, a me desktop AI companion, uses an eight-inch curved OLED screen and an integrated AI to be that big. To display a 3D character that tracks your eyes, senses gestures,

and expressions, interacts contextually to offer an empathetic presence on your desk, and is marketed, and I kid you not, is marketed as an AI soulmate. I've got my score ready.

Can we like break the scale? I don't know. It makes me so sad, man. It's so dark. It's so dark for humanity. It has to be a one. my god I'm a two

and the reason the reason I am averaging I am averaging the usefulness of AI in this product which is that that's the exercise and I think that yeah did it need to be like

an interactive desk soulmate probably would need some kind of LLM integration to be even remotely interactive with the negative four of how much I feel this product should exist and anyone should use it I ended up at a two.

Got it. Well, one and a half, which I rounded to two. Following rounding rules. It is worth pointing out, by the way, that Razor, just because you sponsor the WAN show, doesn't mean we are also going to bring up your cringe desktop AI assistant. Oh, I was talking to Mark about those before the show. I heard about this.

What is it called? He suggested that we get them for the editors instead of putting in the sad lights. Is there making an A-V-like, yeah. Razor, can you send 15 of them? People will buy that. The marketing, is slightly less cringe, but the fact that it's a wifu is slightly more cringe. So, and apparently, one thing that's cool is you will apparently be able to use whichever LLM you want.

A thing that's a little less cool is right now, the one that it works with is GROC, which has had some problems lately. To put it mildly. It might not be problematic for the people that are buying this. which is why it's a one put it away down oh my god look get rid of it get rid of it

I can't anymore wow get rid of it I'm doing it I'm doing it okay moving on I want to bring up the glide yeah it's up

glide has unveiled a smart hair clipper with an Integrated AI stylist that uses your smartphone camera and app to map your head, code you step by step, and adjust both blade length and motion in real time to guide haircuts and prevent mistakes. Disrupting the $50 billion grooming market. Oh yeah.

Yeah, all those not extremely highly paid barbers. We definitely need to disrupt them. That's that's very valiant of you. Good job. I think it does definitely. Okay. If we go with the assuming it works angle, you're selling the data on your skull, I guess.

Yeah, it doesn't really matter. Weird, but probably doesn't matter. If we go with the angle that it works, I think it has quite a bit of utility. Is it going to work? Would the errors with it be really hilarious? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

I think... So there's a funny factor. I think that I'm going to go with a one. Really? Yeah, I'm a one on this. Why is that? Because the AI, in the case of the fridge, there's a real value to the AI being built into the fridge.

With this? Yeah, it really does not need to be in the clippers. It does not need to be in the clippers. It should really be your phone, especially with like depth scanning with an iPhone. Yeah. Yeah. So it should really be in your phone.

Yeah. Yeah. The clippers like, actually too close to interact with in any meaningful way to provide any kind of instruction. Yeah, if it was just like a, you know, you buy the app and you put a phone mount on your mirror and you put your phone there and then it like guides you, that would probably be fine. Adam from, uh, from CW says in float plane chat, I would like to ban Silicon Valley Bros from saying the word disrupt. Yeah. It like kind of was fine. And then now when they're going after

of industries like that. It's like, I don't know, leave it alone. All right. Next up, multiple AI smart toilets. Samsung's, uh, these are devices that use at hem. Cameras. Optical and acoustics. Does this mean? Acoustic sensors. There will be pictures of my, what it was a? Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm thinking Simpson.

Hold on. Let me get there. Let me get there. Okay. Okay. These devices will use cameras. Optical slash acoustic sensors. Acoustic sensors. I was waiting for him to hear that. They want to hear my farts, dude. I want a database of my farts now.

And machine learning to analyze urine and stool samples, or stool patterns, detect health-related changes and provide insights or alerts via companion apps. You should have the poop. Olympics. You know how divers have that whole thing about how they're supposed to make a very small splash? There should be, they should be... Why would I need that? It's a five. It's a five. It's a five for sure. Just for the chance that we could have the poop Olympics. It is totally worth it. Sell pictures of your butt. Not even sell it. Give pictures of your butt away to toilet companies. We need the poop Olympics. This needs to be like social media. There needs to be like leaderboards. Yeah. Fart book from letter.

Kenny. Yeah. Exactly. This one is more complicated for me than the fridge. Because with the fridge, I don't think that, for me personally, I don't think there's much that you would glean from my eating habits that would tell you much about my predispositions. I think that the capacity to use. Oh, it totally would, by the way.

It would tell us some stuff. It would talk about when you're in various emotional states and blah, blah, blah, blah, and then they would target you with advertising. Like, it's super a thing. For most people, maybe, but I make fun of you a lot for eating nothing but like chicken breast. I am a very predictable eater as well. You will learn basically nothing. If you're having a rough day, would you have extra cereal?

No. I'm serious. I'm actually serious right now. I've seen you binge on some pickles. Sure, but like then I will go a year without eating a single pickle, which has nothing to do with my emotional state. Like I just, I promise you. And I know that everyone would say this. And maybe that's a personal thing, and maybe you're right.

I promise you it would tell you nothing about me. But for a huge amount of people. Yes. Which is I think more about what we're judging this one. And that's fair. No, well, no. Not necessarily. So this is for the self.

I'm saying for, you're right in general. But for me personally, the fridge thing is way less of a concern for me. Sure. Because you would, you would not learn that I'm about to. But your fridge is for your family. This is true. But by the time any of this works, my kids will be moved out. No.

Oh. Uh, what if? What if they're having cranberry juice? What if one of your daughters is having cranberry juice? Well, like,

by the time my daughter is drinking from my fridge, like, by the time these AI fridges work, my daughter's going to be drinking cranberry juice out of her own fridge. There's no way it's happening in the next, like,

five to ten years. No, no shot. Either way, my point is... I think that's bold. You think so? I think that's bold.

You think it'll work in the next few years? For literally just that scenario that I described. of person of certain gender, consuming certain thing, lining that up with certain types of advertising. I just don't think they're going to be that good. I wouldn't be that surprised if that's like soon. You think so?

Your God, cranberry juice. It's a specific reference. Yeah, it's like to indicate that you have a urinary tract infection, probably, unless you normally happen to drink cranberry juice. And for men, too, by the way, cranberry juice. Cranberry juice is also just good. Yeah, but like it's also associated with certain things. But also it's good for UTIs Okay, you're making me come around on a little bit however however I do stand behind that the

The poop is going to have Information about your diet and also the functioning of your body The poop one is very egregious. Yeah, we've talked about this on Wayne before that the fridge will not Totally the fridge bothers me still a lot less Yeah, so so this one Um, however, however, however, this one still ends up being a three for me. Because the necessity of it actually being included in the toilet for it to function, to me is very high. However, how much I wanted in my life is a one.

Because I, this one, yeah, this one I'm like deeply concerned that if you, you take like one poop that has, blood in it or something and you're somewhere where there's poor legislation governing this and your insurance company can like before you even know there's a problem like cut you off if it can if it can tell you are super sick and you open the uber app nice to charge you more for a car yep yep all right what else we got ah yes last one last one and then we're and then we're over this okay has a whole lineup of AI kitchen appliances including a fridge and a wine cellar. So for the vino files,

which apparently the more correct term is actually winophiles, oh wino files, whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is Samsung has got the bespoke AI wine cellar which uses AI vision with built in cameras to recognize wine labels, track each bottle's location, and update a smart thing's AI wine manager.

the notes say sheesh I just wanted to get a little drunk I actually think this one assumption that it works is like a five or a four if it doesn't work now this one will work a lot faster than the

like general fridge one we've been talking about because it's like way more specified yeah if it knows its own layout and everything you're putting into it is a particular shape this seems like it could It could pretty much be like Amazon just walk out like go store technology, but like way, way, way easier. Speaking of which, there is a further correction to our correction on the Amazon Go store.

Oh, yes. Yeah. Last week. I feel dumb. I should have noticed this. Yeah. Just Walkout is totally still a thing. They're just deploying it differently.

So when I said cancel, I just meant that like particular implementation of it. Oh, I meant the other thing. Oh, which other thing? Are we done this? Yeah. We might as well transition into that. We're done that. The viral Reddit post about food delivery apps was just AI slop.

Yeah, I'm annoyed with myself. I should have noticed this. Yep. We talked about a, and I usually pride myself on noticing these things decently well, and this was, I'm upset with myself. We talked about a viral Reddit post last week on Wancho. The post claimed to be from a developer for a major food delivery app, claiming that priority fees and driver benefit fees go 100% to the company.

The driver is seeing none of it. Turns out, even though, this post got almost 90,000 up dutes, 4.8,000 comments and even 1,000 pieces of Reddit gold. It was AI generated. When a reporter had reached out for further comment to find out more information, the original Reddit poster sent back more information, including their photo ID and documents, but those were AI generated. When questioned about it, the Reddit user blocked and eventually deleted their accounts. They used for, the Reddit user blocked that person and then eventually deleted their own accounts that they use for communication.

Um, rough. There was a lot of signs that this was kind of BS. I think it had nuggets of truth that I wanted to be true. So I fell for it, which is exactly how this whole thing works. So, you know.

Yeah, I feel dumb too. Constant vigilance. I slipped up. Need to be more on top of it. Because this is just the world we're going to live in now. And we're going to slip up again. And we're going to do our best to put,

put better safeguards in place. that we don't. We will correct when we can. And we'll, well, we're just gonna, we're just gonna have to power through it, boys,

because that's all we got. Yep. We just got each other and powering through it. Yep. Yeah. But yeah. Oh,

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Yeah. Cool, it shows the future dates too. It does? Yeah, it does. Oh, do we have all the dates set for this year? We do. I showed it on screen. I actually didn't know that we'd finalize those. Let me go, go, well,

There's an upcoming lands. Okay. Button and it shows these. All right. Neatty. All the way through 2026. Okay. Oh, it says they're tentative. Okay, good, good, good, good.

Oh, I didn't read that line. Cool. Well, I'm glad someone did. Cool. Do, do, do, do. There's a no notes. Discord is confidently filed for an initial public offering or IPO. Confidential.

Confidentially. What did I say? Confidently? Nice. Dan, were you live when you also said nothing? Normally, I don't correct. Oh, yeah, okay. I mean, you know, if we're just wrong, it's probably not a terrible idea. I fixed it for you and now it's truth. He changed the topic title. See, Lucas, my boss, so Lucas never wrong. That is a good, yeah, I like that line.

That will be how I manage from hereforth. Okay. You can do no error. Uh-huh. If I do, it's like Kim Jong-un. If I do something wrong, it's just the right way to do it now. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like that.

It's a good stretch. We're all about, rocket science. We're all about dictators here in the West. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you think of an example of a company that serves a... What does a penis potato have to do with anything, Dan? What?

Everything. What? He said, we're all about dictators. Can you think of an example of a company that serves a niche or loyal fan base, then became publicly traded, and actually had its regular customers benefit as a result? Chat, you're going to have to help us up with this. Yeah, for sure. Going to need help with that. Okay, that serves a niche or loyal fan base.

Okay. Then became publicly traded, and its regular customer. benefited. Cephulis says Amazon. No. You got to long term.

It's got to be long term, buddy. Uh-uh. Dude, Amazon is so insh-shified now. Yeah, I don't think we're going to come up with anything. The next discussion question is, what do... Should we do?

Should we do a dictator's shirt? And it's just like a potato in the shape of a penis with like a Hitler stash? Would that be on? brand for us. How do you get across at this potato? I guess you can show like yeah, I could look like a potato. Root growth or whatever. Probably not. Probably for the best that we don't. Okay, anyway, sorry. We do well as a sticker or an enamel pin though. Look at Noki in public chat. Stop him. It was so fast. Sorry,

you guys have to, no, he's just like, I, I dot, dot, dot, and then Chad help. Nokey has to put that in the time stamps now. Nokey has to type penis potato. Penis potato conversation. We have to have it. There's no way to avoid it because that's what we're talking about, Noki. That is true.

Would it be flaccid? Look, the answer is... It would probably look better if it was... Boiled? The answer is that I don't. I don't have to do it. I choose to do it to you. Riley told me off for doing bad chapters.

That's also funny. I do not know that. I don't think I could imagine Riley telling off anyone. Come on. Just to keep the topic going long enough that it has to be its own section. Does the penis potato, is it, is it vainy? Oh. Because you do get some potatoes that'll have like a bit of a thing going on.

Yeah, I could. Pealed or not peeled? Well, not peeled, I think. Not, yeah, not peeled for sure. So, like, European potatoes. But, like, should it have, like, a hole in the end? Or, like, could it have a couple turnips at the bottom? There's potato eyes.

Oh, interesting. So it's like a cornucopia that makes a majestic potato schlong. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. I think that's enough. I think that's a section of the show. What do you expect shareholders desired changes for Discord might be?

More money. Or just more users. Get some of that internet money. Yeah. All right. We kind of talked about Panther Lake already earlier. I like Panther Lake. That was one of our topics.

We haven't really talked about CES much, or AMD much from CES. Did you pay attention to what they were up to? Nope. Yeah. So the rumored 9950 X3D2 did not get announced. Oh. Yeah, so instead we get a 9850 X3D, which is a quad core, but 400 megahertz maximum boost faster. Cool.

And if you compare to like what 9800 X3Ds could do with like PBO, it's the gap gets even smaller. Yeah. No, no pricing, which is ominous. There's one thing I'm pretty excited about. Strix Halo got some new skews. So that chip that no one can get, that no one can get supply of and even, fewer people can afford. Yeah.

Now has skews that have fewer CPU cores, but still the full GPU. Okay. So for the like dozen people who want that, of which I happen to be one of them, that's pretty cool because I've really enjoyed. I'm like deep into Claire Obscure now on my GPD Win 5 and it's just... I don't think you've mentioned it like 12 times with the last two shows. It's such an outstanding gaming experience. It's like a 4060 mobile, but like in a handheld form factor, it's like, oh, I can love it.

It's really cool. Yeah, it's super cool. That was it. NVIDIA's stuff, should we talk about that? Oh, right, yeah. I was going to talk about DLSS 4 and a half. Okay, so this was like the first time that I can remember that Nvidia has undersold something. Hmm.

When they, so when we were talking with them. They've oversold literally everything since the 100s. launch in my view. Really? 3,000 series was pretty sick. You don't think it was, they fibbed some stuff in their keynotes? 3,000. I think the one thing that you could go after them for 3,000 series was that 8K gaming on the 3090, while technically true, we tried it.

It worked. It was like unnecessary. And I don't think that's a fib so much as a misread of the direction the market was going. like there's a lot of games that you could game at 8K on a 3090 um 3,000 serves pretty sick I don't know man Chad if you guys if you like I'm they're still just talking about like President Richard Tater over here maybe I'm

maybe I'm conflating the price jumps around that time well right but that was MSRP stuff that was partially Nvidia's you know participation but also a larger is that I was frustrated with every one of them at long it was pretty great okay cool all right fair enough so okay so dLSs 4.5 so when we're doing the pre-brief they're walking us through it and they're basically like yeah so we think this is as big a leap forward as dLSS 4.0 was in terms of image quality compared to what came before and it's trained on like five times the data it's or five times the compute with something what you know whatever metric they're using um

And it is, like, in many cases, closer to ground truth than what we call native rendering these days, which is actually not compared to the, like, many, many, many, many, many samples that they're taking for their, for their reference images that they're using for comparison to benchmark the, um, the image quality of their model. And, um, like, our first question was, okay, if I'm to believe any of this. that you're saying, then why did you not call it DLSS-5 with the second-gen transformer model? And they basically went, well, it's a second generation of the transformer model. We're not actually adding anything new. We have more multi-frame gen, but it's just more multi-frame gen. So that's actually quite logical. We arbitrarily picked 4.5.

Sure. And that kind of got me going, okay, well, then there's no way that it's going to be as big of an improvement as they claim that it is because there's no way that invidia would have missed an opportunity to market something as the best thing ever you need more green in your life like there's no way so i get into the booth and i'm like shooting my intro and i'm kind of you know dunking on a i a i a little bit we have stupid a i cartoon jensen holding a bubble wand and like we're kind of you know we're kind of teasing them a little bit and then i i get in front of the system and I'm like, holy shit.

Like, this looks really good. And I saw a fair bit of criticism on the video that I didn't move the character in Blackmuth Bukong. That was only because they had the character in like exactly the same spot on both systems. And I told them I wouldn't. But I could pan the camera. Like, I could move the scene. And then the other one where they didn't just not want me to mess up their demo.

I was allowed to do whatever I wanted with it. But that wasn't Invidia hiding anything. What's up? Sorry, the top comment on this video. The, this Nvidia video that you did, the top comments. How long before fake frames become real frames, and Vidae has to make fake fake frames out of fake frames? Yeah.

I just, I don't know. Just reading that and then can't wait for 50-90 performance on a 60-50, both of those just got me giggling. They hit pretty hard. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I got in front of it, and I'm switching between the two models. So, NVIDIA had set up for their demo so that you could switch between old DLSS and new DLSS.

You could just have a hot key to toggle the models. It's like, wow, the boiling is so reduced. The general sharpness and clarity is so much better. And when they told me in the pre-briefing that it was going to help with HDR, I was like, what are you even talking about? That doesn't even make any sense to me. But then once I saw it in action, I was like,

oh, okay. So it doesn't make your monitor brighter, obviously, but it does a better job of detecting glowing objects and particle effects and things in motion that are supposed to be bright. So yeah, it doesn't make your monitor brighter, but it does make the HDR effect more impactful. Sure.

It is a marked difference in image quality to the point where I was looking at it going for the first time I would just turn this on no-brainer in any game that it looks this good in and

like multi-frame gen obviously latency is still going to be a thing right but invidia actually to again to their credit mind blown had their demo set up for what's that game called

the um like the space exploration that the sequel uh help me what game what game was that space exploration sequel yeah oh outer worlds too thank you um so on outer worlds two their frame gen demo was running on i think it was like 50 60 tis or something like that like they they they didn't just show the top end the top end card they weren't showing here's a card that doesn't even need need 6x frame genning 6x frames and getting 700 FPS or whatever that they could have done that demo but they chose instead to do outer worlds two which was using up to six x frame gen and delivering yes high latency because it's generating more frames and it's actually rendering but a very smooth animation experience and it's important to understand what the point of the demo was the point

of the demo wasn't this is how i would play this game i wouldn't i would turn down the details Even the Nvidia people, and, you know, I trash on their communication sometimes, but even the Nvidia people very openly admit. Yeah. They wouldn't always even run it on at all. And when they do, they would run it at various settings. And this is why they offer you those things. I do respect that.

So the point of that demo wasn't, this is how I would run this game with 50 plus milliseconds of latency. The point of that demo was how good do these generated frames look. And they look shockingly good for how many of them are fake frames, are generated frames. frames. I am dark guy too says pretty sure Jensen and other top people just don't care about gaming anymore

and leave it to the lower teams. I don't know. Everything I've heard about Jensen is he's like sort of a sort of a micro manager. With everything. And like very involved. But I don't know how true that remains. He's been doing a lot of more like PR like being a face of the company stuff lately. Like interviews and things like that.

So I don't know. I've met the guy but I don't like know them. So it's hard for me to speculate on that. Anyway, yeah, DLSS 4.5, the new model, and you can try it for yourself. You don't have to take my word for it.

You can just go, and if you go in the G-Force app, if you have an Nvidia card, fairly recent gen, the older cards have a bigger performance hit on it, from my understanding. But you go into the Nvidia app

and then you have to find the option to opt into beta and experimental features, and then you just wait, as far as I can tell. They might have a check-firm. Updates Now button. I couldn't find it when I was trying to set this up at a booth and I was in a hurry, but I couldn't immediately find it.

But I just waited a while and eventually it prompted me to restart the NVIDIA app. Just make sure you got the latest drivers. And then you select Model L or Model M depending on your use case. And you can go find information on which one is best. And I just, I turned it on in the MSI booth in Borderlands 4. And it was just like, wow, this is really good in this too. So I've seen it in Outer Worlds too. I've seen it in Blackmouth, Wukong, and I've seen it in Borderlands, too.

and it just looks really, really good. I, for the first time, I'm like, okay, well, this is just the future then. It's interesting to me because, like, you know, I don't, I don't love the, I can understand it, but don't necessarily love the, like, oh, developers just suck and need to do better argument. That is such a, just lazy, broad strokes. Yes. but... Nonsense argument.

You look at Arc Raiders and embark and you look at 1080s running that game north of 60 FPS and it's like yeah man well it comes down

to what you're trying to do some games are about lighting and ambiance and some games are about making sure that... Art graders looks great there's different ways to make a game

look great and it's not the best looking game yeah so like okay yeah and it's just it's just we're in an

interesting, it's such an interesting crossroads. Because on the competitive side, you don't want that input latency. No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't use any of this stuff for a competitive title. But then, it is super interesting. Actually, upscaling maybe. That's a longer conversation. But FrameGen, absolutely not. And there's always been different settings depending on if the game is competitive or single player or whatever.

Yeah, totally. But this is like a very deep divergence in like how your computer is going to feel. depending on how you set things up, in my opinion. Well, I mean, again, that's where GForce app comes in, where it's supposed to you just click a button and it gives you the optimal settings. There was a crazy thread where a buddy and I were playing a game and he was having some performance issues

and we were trying to forget what the heck was going on. It was weird. He had like 25% Jeep utilization and was getting 40 FPS. Okay. Like just odd. Oh boy, here we go. Googled it. brought them to a Reddit thread.

The top voted comment was click Optimize in the Nvidia app. Top voted comment. Not, not, like, everybody was just like, yeah, duh, do that. Not a debate really. Just click the Optimize button. No like, you know, conversation or anything,

just like what it could be, what it couldn't be, what you might prefer versus what you might not prefer. Nope, just click the Optimize button. And did it work? Yeah. Cool. crazy. Deromer and Floopplane chat goes,

DLSS will become like the loss list slash compressed debate in audio file. I've seen, it might have been Jerome or the previous time too. I saw this earlier in Floop Plain Chat. And honestly, if we're looking years in the future, I could maybe see that,

especially if they figure out the latency thing. I'm talking like, that's tough. Theoretically reflex too is the solution. We'll solve it or reduce it? Rejection, yeah. Solve it. Like, be better than native.

like it's already used in VR and they've they're clearly working at it if you want to if you want to familiarize yourself with the with the idea behind it here we did that we actually did a video on this a number of years ago now I think

Linus Reprojection thought of this here hold on it's called I'm embarrassed I didn't think of this asynchronous reproduction it's super cool tech and the original source is actually what was what was but yeah yeah here we go so there's comrade stingers original video and download links so you can like play around with it and then two clicks philip did a video about async reprojection as well um oh hello hold on a second youtube

oh that's interesting um my browser tab just like stopped working anyway the point is what it does is Is it... Couldn't you still be shooting at a phantom? You could, but there's already latency between you and your opponent anyway. We just compensate for it. In the same way, we compensate as much as we can. So what Async reproduction does

is it decouples your inputs from the game's frame rate. So it moves opponents and other objects based on the updated data, but your interaction with the engine is completely decoupled and buttery smooth. So theoretically, there should be no downside

as long as, wait for it, as long as you're still running at like a reasonable frame rate, but it will feel so much betterer. That sounds like it's great for input lag, but I still feel like you might have issues with the whole shooting at phantoms thing i don't know if this solves competitive gameplay so it might be a misunderstanding something or just not very familiar with this no there will still be

there will still be disadvantages to having a low well i'm actually just trying to think no no hold on a second because like if you're trying to snipe like a like a pin-sized head on a on a hill away far away from you yeah they could move enough that it could be a problem but if you're in like a close quarter shotgun fight or something. Yeah, I kind of doubt it. I think you could be not shooting at phantoms. There will, I think there will always, asterisk, like functionally always, be purists and very, very high performance, like, esports athletes who will just simply need a 90-90 TI Titan or whatever. The thing that I'm trying to ask isn't even necessarily for myself.

Like, is this going to make a difference for me? realistically no. But like is, is Shroud going to turn this on? Is probably insert other name? I don't know, whatever.

But like, yeah. So here we go. Okay, I've got my stuff fixed. So with just a few clicks, asynchronous free projection demo takes 30 FPS and makes it feel like 240 FPS.

And it's kind of hard to tell. But, man. We have often done a pretty bad job. There we go. So this is what's happening. It's taking each one frame that you get, and it is decoupling your inputs from those updates.

Yeah, I get that. So at 30 FPS, it's, what is that? 33 milliseconds. At 60 FPS, that's 16 milliseconds. That is freaking not a lot of time. So if you're running the game at some, like, reasonable refresher, rate, 16, or let's say you can get 100 FPS. So now we're talking about more like 10 milliseconds or whatever.

Would you rather have your inputs at 1,000 hertz on like a thousand hertz monitor, even knowing that, you know, the objects could be 100 milliseconds out of data or whatever, but probably not. If you tried it, pretty much everyone we put in front of it was like, holy crap, this is amazing. I would love this so much more. Yeah, my problem with the thing that I'm describing is you wouldn't really be able to tell super easily without like analyzing individual like in a first person shooter game or something where if you're fighting with like blades And it's it's it's physics based or whatever you wouldn't be able to tell without analyzing but there's already so much Slop in any kind of multiplayer game because of network latency anyway that I just be tough to I just don't see this again the main issue me does this really? No, it's probably fine whatever. I didn't have a desktop for a long time. I have a desktop again. I was quickly reminded

that I am now older and slower that I used to be. It is what it is. Also rusty, but yeah. Also the other thing. Yeah. And you know, like I do okay, but like it's not, I'm not, I'm not a competitive gamer. And I have long accepted this and that's fine. Me too. Even more than him. Not that it's a competition, but I have hardcore accepted being non-competitive more than he has. Yeah, I still try. Yeah. There's no point for me. But yeah, I'm wondering about like the super optimized situation for someone who is genuinely in that level of competition, trying to do that thing. Yeah. Is this viable? That's the part where I'm wondering. I don't know. I don't think we're going to know until we actually get Reflex 2 or 3 or 5 or who you know who knows right because

clearly this was working well enough that someone was able to put together a very compelling very exciting demo years ago um it's already working in VR games um and it used very actively and invidia it has been cooking on this for us presumably this whole time and they're not they don't think it's ready yet so yeah Yeah. It'll just, you know. We'll have to try it. Because the reason for bringing this up is the whole lossless versus compressed audio thing.

Yeah. Is like effectively universally used in my opinion. Except for, I wonder what DMS would say. I wonder if he uses lossless or not. I'm actually not sure. He does use lossless. Okay. I'm not convinced that he actually thinks it matters, though.

I think it's one of those. I can, so. If your equipment's good enough, you can hear it, but there's diminishing returns. Okay. Can hear it compared to what, though? Compared to, like, you know, not high quality. Yeah, compared to streaming or, like, compared to a CD? Well, CD is pretty much indistinguishable, right?

Redbrook's pretty damn high. Well, so that's... Compared to an MP3. Sure. Definitely. That's what I'm... That's what I'm... That's what I'm talking about here.

It's like when we say, can you hear the difference from lossless? I think what Luke was getting at, lossless compared to any kind of lossy compression. And I am personally not convinced and I don't want to put words in DMS's mouth, but I've been pretty sure we've talked about it. And high quality compressed audio is pretty darn good. Absolutely. He was talking about the... Oh. does it make sense to mention video ideas that might be like pretty far out

yeah all right all cool sounds good um was there anything else in the nVIDia c s keynote i don't actually think we talked about it at all yeah there's other stuff who cares okay sounds good goodbye this is cool prusa pro aFS it was actually the battlebots guys that um brought this to my attention. It's a like just ready to go print farm that just automatically loads and unloads your plates and just does print farm things. Cool, right? That's pretty sweet. Yeah. Wow. Cool, right? I think they just announced this. That's it. Crazy. Neat, right? Yeah. Screwdiver video? What's this? Absolute mad lads. I don't know. It says check

out this cool LTT screwdriver video courtesy J... Redditor Bradley Doyle modeled, textured, and animated our screwdriver in Blender to make this cool product video. Oh, I did see this. Yeah. I have not seen this. It's pretty sweet.

Oh, that's cool. Whoa. It even looks like it's made of zinc. Okay, that's pretty cool. Wow. All the bits and everything. Dude, I've seen this already and it's so cool. Good Lord.

It's so sick You did all that different colors and everything? It's so sick, dude. Wow. What? Wow. Okay. That's pretty cool. Oh, hold on.

I accidentally went away when it was still saying what Bradley does. Hold on. Hold on. There are two things. 3D generalist. And motion designer. Motion designer. Yeah.

So sick. Bradley Doyle. Genuinely fantastic work. Canadian bro too. You love to see it. Sick. He has five. subscribers on YouTube.

Oh, that will probably go up. Yeah, change that. Okay. Is that it? For topics? Oh, okay. Hey, Bose has open sourced the SoundTouch API. After previously announcing the end of cloud support for SoundTouch,

Bose is taking steps to ensure that their owners aren't left SOL. Our discussion question is, do you think Bose is getting it right? Should they be doing more? Obviously, in our perfect world, when you sell something that has a function, it just has the function forever. This is the acceptable compromise that we have laid out. So it would be pretty hypocritical for us to now say that Bose needs to do more and do better. This is obviously not ideal, but it is better than nothing.

So I'm going to take the small L. Yeah, I think without diving into this way too much, this seems like to a T, what we've asked companies to do if they're going to shut something down, which again, ideally you don't shut it down. but we also are realists and recognize that you can't just

keep everything going forever so I think that's really awesome makes me think more positively at Bose straight up Mark Dick Tep 69

asks if we've talked about the clicks communicator people in the community are hyped AF um no I uh yeah i could i could try it i guess i mean i i did recently try a phone with a with a keyboard again

and what i discovered is that wow i um use a lot of special characters these days and that's that's good i like it auto complete is really good and screens are actually legitimately faster than i ever was with a full keyboard uh i definitely have more to learn about this one. There's things about it that look better than previous keyboard, phone modern attempts at

bringing back the past. I heard rumor that one of the original Blackberry designers is on the team. Okay. I don't know. Well, that worked out great for Blackberry. Well, I did originally. Yeah, right. I don't know, man. I would love for this to be like

the Logiteg GCloud, where I go on WAN Show and I go, yeah, yeah, I don't know, seems dumb. And then I use it and it totally changes my opinion. Sure. I'd love for that to happen. Probably not. But I bet

I'd love for it to happen. It would be cool. That's going to be my attitude. I would love for that to happen. More topics, more topics. But like, I'm the kind of guy who wants like even more screen, not even less screen.

which might make that tough. I think one of the reasons why I said I don't think it's going to happen isn't because I'm like, oh, the clicks is doomed or whatever. I think it's not for you. Yeah. I'm just not the guy. Yeah. Should this be hosted by someone else?

No, I think I can be fair to it. I don't think there's anyone here who would want a keyboard on the phone, quite frankly. Like it seems like... Is there more going on? With what? Like, are they doing something more? They said a phone for people who want to like do stuff not doomscroll and then their thing says tools for taking action, not distraction or whatever. Are they doing more than just put keyboard on phone?

I'm pretty sure it's just the keyboard. Yeah. All right. I think it's time for after dark, Mr. Dan. Yeah. Hit me. Sure thing. Yeah, we got a few here today.

Oh, it comes out of the things like a case. It can just be a normal phone. I just watched a little mini video. Oh, neat. There's just a USBC plug in the thing that gives you the keyboard. Watch this. Replay. Oh, that's the cases, though.

Click. That's a different product. Oh. The clicks communicator is a phone. Clicks communicator and part. Okay, so I didn't click on that. I just scroll down and then it's no longer that. All right.

Sure. That was a little bit confusing. My bad. Cool. Good chat. Okay. Hello, LTT. Linus.

how is FFT Ivalis going I am on the second last fight and it's a giant load of bullshit and at this point I would either have to undo

the last few also bullshit but I made it through them fights and grind a bunch of stuff and get some equipment that I need to bring with me specifically to make this fight winnable because I need to be able to absorb some stupid element otherwise I will just immediately be one hit every time any of them hit me or grind a bunch of levels.

Or I need to go back out of this dungeon, so undo those three fights, and then admit defeat and go off of tactician difficulty and go back to the standard difficulty, in which case these last fights will just be a breeze because I've been playing at tactician difficulty, so I'm, I'd be like ludicrously overpowered to play against normal opponents. in which case I don't even really care about finishing it either of those two ways enough so I'm on like the second last fight and I gave up but I beat the game already so I don't really care

and I got almost to the end at tactician and the only reason that I can't get through it is because I like I got like two of my shields broken in the previous fight so I like didn't bring enough I think it's yeah ice shields I didn't bring enough ice shields with me and a couple of them got like broken by stupid knights so I like don't have enough to keep my opponent

to keep my team from getting just sniped across the map by that bullshit guy in the second last fight that just has an ice gun that just fucking destroys you. And then I didn't grind, break weapon on mustadio and just like cheese it like that. So it's just, I don't know, man. I don't know, man. It's one of those things where I know that tactician is four experienced players of the game. But when the only way to beat a fight is to have like done a very specific build or like have a very very specific item that you've got equipped.

That's not super fun for me. I like being able to build a somewhat rounded party. And I'm over it. I'm got a question here from Cody. Is Wi-Fi drunk? What happened to Wi-Fi 7E? I mean, Wi-Fi's been drunk for a while. I mean, remember 802.11B, and then 802.1, we went all the way to G,

and then 802.1-1-1-1. What was the next one? Was it AC? Was that the next one? Yes. And then we went to Wi-Fi 6, I think. Hold on. Did they drop the letters after AC?

Oh, yeah, N. E-G. And I forgot about it. No, no, it was N. A-X was when they were calling them like both. G, then N, then AC, then A-X. Then we retconned all of that and called it all Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi 5. And then Wi-Fi 6, then 6, E, and now 7.

And then, yeah, magic. No, you linked it. Yeah, there you go. 11, 11B, 11A, 11G, 11N. 11A, C, 11AX, 11B, E, 11BN. No one really used 802.11, though. And then A and B existed at like kind of the same, yeah, there you go, kind of the same time.

A, I think, was 5 gigahertz rather than 2.4, if I recall correctly. But literally, quite literally, nothing consumer-facing used it. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Am I remembering that correctly? Oh, yeah. Oh, there's a table right there to the right. Yeah, yeah, it was 5 gigahertz. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

Cool. Good chat. Hi, DLD. On your comment about hard drives, IBM is trying to strategically position tape. IBM Diamondback for long-term storage due to data center boom. Do you think the bubble will pop on them?

No, tape's been around the whole time. I don't think tape is ever going to die. Yeah, it's, it has not... That's all point of tape. It has not left. Tape has been around. It hasn't been around at the consumer level, really. Although there's been a couple attempts.

It's, yeah. The problem is the drives are so freaking expensive. But if I remember correctly, the tapes are pretty cheap, right? Yeah. Yeah. The drives are just out of reach of consumers, realistically. That's good timing. What?

You said that they were out of reach of consumers, right? As the price popped up. Yeah. Yeah, but the tapes are. fine and like genuinely a lot of big enterprises been using them for the whole time they're very reliable they're slow a f but for long-term archival storage until we get like DNA storage or like storing data in crystals crystals or something this is this is pretty awesome aren't some of the sizes that you can get like obscene like 50012 terabytes and like they're massive crazy yeah it's honestly

My favorite part about tape is like the robots. Like the tunnels and the tape grabbing robots. It's just so neat. Oh, this was cool. I dropped by for our systems. We didn't end up making a video, but their new cold plate looks amazing. I was kind of skeptical because I was like,

okay, I mean, we've pretty much gotten to the point where you've made copper fins as small as they can get, you know, how much better does it get? It turns out, oh, this is not a great. Oh, that's not a great shot. Oh, shut up. They don't have the, they don't have the geometry on their site.

Come on, you guys. Okay, well, whatever. It turns out that if you use deposition manufacturing, like they do with their air jets, you can create shapes through very similar to how you would manufacture, like, like, semiconductor products. You can deposit much more. complex geometries that dramatically improve the heat exchange and you can do it really cheaply,

which is probably the coolest part about it. They weren't quoting pricing publicly, but someone slipped up and told me a number, which I won't disclose because I said I wouldn't. But it seems like basically my next question was, oh, interesting. Can we have consumer ones? And they were like, we haven't considered that. And I was like, okay, can we have consumer ones? And then they didn't commit anything.

So that was neat for our systems. There you go. I've got one here for Luke. Hey, LLD, question for Luke. What's been your overall experience with OVH as a hosting platform? Hello from the OVH DC team. Oh, who? No pressure.

Which is why I wanted to make sure I read the whole thing. I mean, with anyone that you will have had a business relationship for this long, there's been bumps, but I think it's been really good, realistically. like the bumps that we've had, they have cared about them and sought resolution fairly quickly. And this includes when we've had account handlers that like did not know or care whatsoever about all of this. They're just, they're OVH people dealing with an OVH customer that has a problem and they cared and dealt with it. And like some people have pointed out certain things that are kind of a little bit bumpy about the OVH experience. And it's like, yeah, they're also, show me the price competitor, bruh.

I'll show you the similar bumpy experience. Like, it's fine, dude. I've been pretty happy with how things have generally gone. I don't have bad things to say. There's a reason why I've been working with OVH for a very long time. And I know there was certain stuff that we, like, relied on very heavily in the early days. Like the- The DDoS protection back in the day.

was like a pretty big deal. And the OVH to OVH super high speed links that were like practically free, if I recall correctly. Yeah, pretty big deal. Yeah. Yeah, we've been, we've been quite happy. I don't have bad things to say. I mean, okay, I could drum some stuff up. But like if I'm being realistic, I'm, I'm quite happy.

And I'm sure if this question was asked in reverse, I'm sure there's things they could drum up as well. because we definitely message them a lot about things. But yeah, they're cool. Come say hi in our French office. I have, technically. Twice. Both times were great. Both times were not for Foplane,

which is the majority of the usage that we have of OVH. Yeah, which was kind of funny, because both times I went, I had to tell them, like, by the way, we actually use your stuff. And they were like, huh? which is like, yeah, okay. Maybe we should work on informing them about that.

I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't. Who knows? Hey, LTT. I am doing a degree in special education and looking into working at a nonprofit for people with disabilities. I was wondering which teacher or professor inspires you. I've got a couple answers for this one.

My parents were, my mom and my stepdad were both teachers. And my aunt on my biological father's side is also a teacher. So I had a lot of teachers in my life growing up. And I always thought that it was a very honorable thing to do. I always thought it was really cool. I wanted to be a teacher until I couldn't get a degree. You need a degree to be a teacher, at least here anyway. But I'd say like the teachers that I had in school that were very inspired.

I mean, Madame Baldassau made me care about French. Alhorn, outstanding English teacher, who made me able to write and do my job that I do today. Yeah. I have three primary ones. Mr. Trattle, who's, I know he's still in the school system. I think he's a principal now. he showed me that like with effort you can accomplish a lot and he enabled me to push really hard like he noticed really early on that I was you know I'd be done the class assignment in four minutes or whatever and you're supposed to sit there for the class duration and he'd give me the next one and then I'd finish a bunch of them in a day so he'd give me the next years and be like just sit in the corner and do all these by yourself basically I'm not going to teach you

how to do them. Here's the information. I have to teach the normal class, but you can just go. And I did that and finished all of the grades of computers in like the first year or two that I was in high school. A lot of teachers wouldn't do that. Like that was, he's going above and beyond. And he kept going above and beyond a bunch of times. I remember one year he took this, I probably told this on Wemancho before, but he took a summer class at BCIT on 3D game programming and then distilled it down and created a new course at our high school just. called 3D game programming just for our year because our like a bunch of my friends and our group of people in my grade were all really interested in this and I don't even think he

kept it going for future grades because none of the other kids had a lot of interest but I think we had two terms of it or something I don't remember all the details but like that was so unnecessary and so incredibly amazing and inspiring at the same time I remember again a bunch of us had interest in hardware. So he did this whole thing. I've definitely told him Waintshow before, where he got us a bunch of hardware that we could zomify together, which was amazing. He was awesome. Mr. Thompson, I would get really bad grades in English every single year. Yeah. Because I would just get torched for, you know, issues. And he put a cap on that and then tried to cultivate the, like, you know, you seem to like care about stuff and have ideas and whatnot.

So let's focus on that for now and grow your right. writing. And then out of his course, I went from like bottom of the barrel grades to doing really well and getting into AP English 12 and then being fairly successful in AP English 12 because it inspired me to try harder, which was great. And then Mr. First, again, just very inspiring about caring about things and pushing hard regardless. And he was my physics teacher. And it's great. Those three were like huge inspirations for me. I'm going to shout up Mr. Russell too for teaching me that not all teachers are going to give a shit about you. It wasn't that he didn't care. It was that he projected how it's going to be.

Yeah, Mr. First showed that, like, you know, it matters if things are like hard, but you still have to do them. That was like a very important lesson from him of like, here, look, I'll help you. But at the end of the day, you're going to be out there on your own and you're going to need to just be able to do it. So, like, let's figure this out together. I just found out that my AP English teacher published between nine and six months,

a series of five talks at the Merit BC Library on the history of life on earth. What? And I pretty much guarantee you, even though this only has as few as one view per video, that it is going to be very entertaining and very educational. That's awesome. So there you go. That's actually really cool. Hello.

I'm having all of my teeth, including wisdom teeth, removed on Wednesday. Holy crap. Really? Is that a thing? Sometimes? All of my teeth. Sometimes that can happen.

Oh, wow. Okay. Linus, when you had your wisdom teeth removed, how long did it take for you to not be in pain? I think not in... Okay, well, it depends. For the top ones, it was pretty quick. for the bottom ones, man, I don't remember.

I had those out like, I don't know, seven, eight years ago. I remember it taking a while, and it really depends. I mean, it'd be better to talk to, I imagine, is it like an oral surgeon that would do it at that point if you're getting everything out? I wonder what, I wonder. I mean, I don't want to ask personal questions. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you do it for dental implants and stuff like that, too.

Oh, okay. It's very big in the, um, Hollywood community. Oh, Crystal F. Oh, you get new... What? Huh? Hmm.

Oh, it might be... Oh, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Why? Uh... Or don't tell us. Well, we don't...

Yeah, no, no, no, no. No, no. You don't have to tell us why, but... Hopefully that goes all right. Yeah. Yeah, I hope that goes all right. Yeah. Okay. Next. Uh, DLL. Should games cater to whales or masses?

For example here, EAFC 2026. Wow. Are you going to let them finish or what? Nope. Yeah, sorry, go for it. They've been altering between reducing the meta based on feedback, annoying the pros, and increasing it, annoying the casuals.

Can following feedback be bad? Yeah, I mean, I guess that's, well, Luke was way ahead of you. I think that for a game, like, I think for a company like EA with a mass market product, like a soccer game, um, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Um, yeah, it's, it's tough because you are, you're trying to appeal to everyone all at once. And that's, that's tough. And if you don't, you know, if your game doesn't do 100 million, 200 million, a billion, a billion. dollars in sales or whatever, then

for some reason, even though you were profitable, your entire team might get laid off. You have to take feedback, but then you also have to at some point, grow a spine and make a game that has some kind of artistic

intent to it or not. And just deal with that there's always going to be someone who's mad at you, because just like running a YouTube channel that is watched by millions of people, if even 1% of people don't like the direction that you're taking it, that's going to be, like, from a million, right?

That's 10,000 people that are going to be mad about whatever it is that you did. And when you upload every day or when you publish a patch every week or whatever it is, that part of that audience or that player base that is mad is going to shift around and you're just going to feel like, well, I'm listening to you guys. And now you're telling me I didn't do the right thing. and it's just a lose, lose, it's a lose, lose place to be. Yeah, when I first heard the question, it was like, do you think it's better for slop to be generated in flavor A or flavor B?

That's basically just how I interpreted that. I think sometimes when you receive feedback, you got to analyze what the root of that feedback is. And sometimes with Linus's example, when you have this public thing that lots of people interact with, some of the feedback that you're going to receive, win super negative, you might read it and just be like,

yeah, okay, working as intended. To be completely honest. Maybe the thing that you made just wasn't for that person. And if they're like, I hate that it does this. And you're like, well, it doing that is the point, then that's okay. That's all right. If you make a horror game and somebody's like,

I hate this game, zero of ten, it was scary. It's like, cool. nice maybe that person will ask for a refund and they'll get it and that's all right but that was also sort of the point so no problem up next hello ld USB cable testers range from $15 to over 100 to over 10,000 but yes carry on yeah I mean accurate and I have no idea if any of them are any good any advice tree dicks versus is Kiber QEU, possible video topic after your new USB cables launch? I don't know that we would get into that, to be honest with you.

For the like 12 people that it would affect. I looked very briefly at Treatics, and it seems like it's sort of fairly basic and or kind of very DIY, like in terms of the information that they're providing. They're not looking at the shape of the eye, you know, they're just kind of like, yes, no, no, yes, no, yes, no. What I suspect is that for very basic testing, does this capable work? It might tell you. It would almost certainly be able to tell you, no, it's broken, but I don't know that

it's yes would be particularly meaningful to me. It might be amazing, but I have no experience with it, and I don't know that I have the interest in going to a level of depth that would be required to find out if it's any good when we'd rather just use professional level tools and make sure that our cables are good with those and focus on that for now. Speaking of cables, by the way, now is a great time. Thanks, Nokey, to head over to LTSTore.com and sign up for a notification for when our true spec cables are going to be launched.

Purpose-built lengths, so we want you to get the right length cable for you. So we'll have more than just the sort of main sizes. clearly labeled speeds and feeds just like that. And they won't come off because they are embossed. And UV-resistant silicone-style cables, which are nice and flexible and feel just... Not style, right? It's just satisfying.

Yes, they are. Hit me, Dan. Last one I've got for you. A-L-L-D. Had two packages swapped, and it did not appear like an... innocent mistake for both. Oh, bummer.

Got any fun stories about stolen or swapped packages at LMG or stories about suffering from retail fraud at NCIX? Man, I don't, uh, I wasn't really involved in that department. Like, I'm sure if I could get in touch with, like, Ruggie or something, he would be able to tell me all kinds of fun stories. But, uh, what I will say is that Corsair's side of the story on some of the stuff that's been going on returns or whatever. Yeah, is a little more nuanced than some of the public discourse about it.

I know, right? We're still waiting to get a little bit more information and whether or not the people there can even really talk to us. But, you know, hint, spoiler, apparently in some of these cases, it's pretty obvious based on the volume of orders that one individual is trying to place. for items that have price errors that, you know, they're not acting in good faith. They're just trying to get a lot of stuff so that they can flip it for profit, which, you know,

you're not really the victim anymore at that point. It's certainly not black and white. I don't really have, I've actually had really good luck in terms of my packages generally arriving when I order them. I've had, I mean, I've had delays and stuff, but I've, I don't think, uh, there's only one time I had a major issue with a package and I had to drive to like the shipping depot and get it from them at the depot. And it was because of some, there was like a bunch of issues with the package and they wanted it to be like much more officially handed off to the point where I went to the depot for it. And they like gave me a shipping refund or something. I don't remember what happened, but it was like very strange. I've definitely had some weird stuff. I got my stuff. Like that scorpion chair, they just like dropped it off. Oh, dude. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I've had one problem. I had a chair just left in the freaking lawn. There you go. Stupid. All right. Nice, Dan. Please tell me you had your mic on. No.

He said lawn chair. That's funny. You have to ding yourself. No. I won't have the show until you ding yourself. Nice. And we'll see you again next week. Same bad time.

Same bad channel. Bye. All right. You