The WAN Show - Use AMD Get Banned - WAN Show October 13, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 what is up everyone and welcome to the wan show we got a great show lined up for you guys today uh account locking devices sucks not a real topic all i have is a link to something so we're all going to discover it together and amd users could be banned in counter-strike 2 just for using a feature of AMD's drivers. Um, uh-oh. What else we got? Just because he stole my topic. I did! I'm gonna do it anyways. GitHub Copilot might be running at a loss.

Starting point is 00:00:36 I talked about this literally last week. Nice. And now we have news about it. So that's cool. We'll see where that goes in a moment. And then the other one, if I can find it, is Google defaults to pass keys.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Really? You picked that over PS5 Slim? Yeah, I don't care about that. Over Microsoft acquiring Activision? Yeah, we all knew that was coming. Ah. Over Intel's new graphics card that everyone is so excited about?

Starting point is 00:01:03 Wait, what? No, they're not excited. Oh, let's roll the intro not gonna lie no idea what that is i'll be finding out alongside you guys let's go ahead and jump into our first topic today which is that amd users have the potential to be banned like vac banned from counter-strike 2 for enabling a feature in AMD's newest driver drop. AMD made their Anti-Leg Plus feature available for Counter-Strike 2, which unfortunately is implemented

Starting point is 00:01:54 by detouring engine DLL functions. So, the idea here is that, very similar to NVIDIA's Reflex technology, AMD Anti-Leg Plus is designed to lower the overall system latency for a more responsive gaming experience but valve actually tweeted and this is from their official counter-strike handle posted tweeted zeded if you are an amd customer and play cs2 do this is in all caps do not enable

Starting point is 00:02:29 anti-lag plus any tampering with cs code will result in a vac ban once amd ships an update we can do the work of identifying affected users and reversing the ban but it sounds like you will not be playing the game in the meantime i'm glad that they did clarify that you will not necessarily be forever banned lose your hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of skins or whatever else that people but kids buy these days or whatever um basically the way that anti-lag works is it periodically checks if the cpu is ahead of the gpu and if it is it throttles the cpu to send fewer frames to the gpu for processing to reduce the load on it this reduces the frame buffer thus improving the latency as far as i can tell

Starting point is 00:03:17 maybe the audience can correct us here there is no current response from amd and this was posted by valve at like 10 a.m this morning it is worth noting that i i mentioned nvidia reflex right those users are not affected because according to what i've seen which i think came from valve don't quote me on this part but they implemented it the correct way they've implemented it in the game as opposed to just as a driver feature that applies to the game i have to say i do wonder if valve could have simply not vac banned like could they just do you do you think valve's doing the right thing here? Do you mean like, is there a different way? Like, don't allow people to launch if they have this going on

Starting point is 00:04:09 and just tell them that they have to go disable it? I didn't even think of that. But that's a great idea too. I feel like there's some other way around it. Yeah, if they know what AMD has changed and they're aware of it enough to send a tweet, is this something that they could handle a different way? Considering they tagged AMD in their tweet, i feel like this caught them off guard actually yeah this is all

Starting point is 00:04:31 making no sense to me whatsoever it's very weird behavior yeah how would valve not have high up contacts at amd if i'm amd i'm actually probably kind of ticked off right now. Yeah. Because this reflects poorly on our product, even if we didn't strictly speaking, do anything wrong other than try to improve the experience for our users. But then again, maybe valves kind of teed off right now because AMD should tell them before making any changes. Valve is getting a lot of negative press right now for CS2 in general,

Starting point is 00:05:03 which we can talk as a part of talk about as a, as a part of negative press right now for cs2 in general which we can talk as a part of talk about as a uh as a part of this topic um and maybe they're trying to like shift some of that elsewhere i don't i don't know that's that's that's just a potential idea but this was yeah this was very weird uh seeing it just blown up in a tweet them tagging amd directly i don't know if it comes across as the most professional ever yeah i'm not sure i'm actually not really i'm not really liking the way that they're handling this feels weird and making making it the problem of the user yeah they they do say i i think somewhere yeah once amd ships an update we can work on identifying affected users and reversing their

Starting point is 00:05:44 ban um so they it sounds like they're going to try to fix it for people because you know not everyone has twitter um and i haven't checked but as far as i know it's not telling people in the game is they just have to know from this tweet basically but then okay let's okay let's let's go let's go the other way again then i mean from valve's point of view if you're mucking around with dlls then as a as a graphics card manufacturer and driver writer should you should you know better than that should amd have known better than to mess around with this for a competitive online game especially one that just launched i still think as valve i handle this differently i i still think you can even send that tweet out,

Starting point is 00:06:25 but in a way that's a little different, in my opinion. Yeah, I think that if they just basically said... Anytime you're using all caps, you probably need to just... Yeah. Do the, like, really big breathe in pause, additional small breathe in, breathe out, go for a walk. He's going for a walk right now.

Starting point is 00:06:51 Yeah. He's literally going outside. I think he's attempting to touch grass. I think that's, yep. He's touching grass right now. I've also witnessed this. He's actively touching grass. He has acquired grass.

Starting point is 00:07:02 Oh God, he's not going to make us touch it. And it's returning into the building. He touched grass. Okay, then we take the caps lock off and retype say whatever it is that we need to say yeah yeah i would do well said take this advice yeah yeah maybe here and there you know um but yeah it just it seemed it i wouldn't give it an a plus for as a response um but yeah i would like to see i and i think you know the like don't allow people the q thing if they have it if they don't have that feature already i i think they're hoping that amd would fix this before they would be able to roll it out. So they're just trying to get ahead of it.

Starting point is 00:07:46 And like, if they, I don't know, I feel like if they, if they, if they can detect this change, um, temporarily,

Starting point is 00:07:55 you know, they could, they could do something as simple, like you said, as not, not allowing people to queue and popping up an error message. I don't know. Can,

Starting point is 00:08:02 can I, can I change gears a little bit here though? And say something positive about Counter-Strike 2 have you played it i played it okay sort of okay i i did some like practice stuff with it because i was working on a video and we needed some games for benchmarking and everyone knows counter-strike is the best game benchmark i am so excited to play counter-strike 2 do you know why no do you remember that like thing that like tirade i launched into about how ridiculous i think uh non-random spray patterns are. And how it was clear to me that the intent of pseudo-random, the attempt to create randomness in recoil

Starting point is 00:08:54 by just having sort of like a fixed thing was clearly a limitation of early game design and not the designer's intent. And this whole thing where we just memorize it and draw patterns with our mouse, to me is, it's vestigial, in my opinion,

Starting point is 00:09:14 and a lot of people disagree with me, and that's super cool, but it looks like Valve is on my side. There's a new crosshair in Counter-Strike 2 that just shows you where the bullet will actually go and moves around according to the recoil pattern it's built right into the game it's like an adaptive crosshair and i was only practicing on bots but my time to kill was ridiculously low compared to what i've ever been able to achieve in that game. I am so excited to play it now.

Starting point is 00:09:47 Really? Yeah. You don't have to just f***ing guess where the f*** your f***ing bullet is gonna go. It actually just shows you like a functioning crosshair. Even an iron sight would move. So if you can track it, then you can stay on it.

Starting point is 00:10:04 It's amazing this is allowed I love it what the hell I love it it's called follow recoil yeah so cool

Starting point is 00:10:24 I don't know how I feel about that I feel great i actually get to play this game now what is the what is the point like okay look if you want to talk you want to talk like realism or whatever because because one of the most compelling arguments that was made to me so weird was that learning the recoil patterns could be equated to you know learning the you know how to handle a real weapon or whatever else you could become more skilled at using the weapon and that that's fair enough that's fair enough but even on a real weapon you would actually be able to at least see where the where the projectiles are are landing with near instantaneous visual feedback yeah so this is basically that because a lot of the time whether we're talking cs2 or

Starting point is 00:11:15 we're talking some other game you you can't actually see a bullet hole where it go you have you have no flippin idea so in a way this is more true to the actual original intent while still keeping things you know how they always were for the purists my brain's exploding i'm so happy and there will still be a slight advantage to having it memorized because while i'm sitting there kind of like keeping my crosshair on someone yeah you'll be having your muscle memory which is great which you know which is fine but what it means is that players who don't have it memorized are not just basically turning every gun into a shotgun which is how it works now as far as i can tell

Starting point is 00:12:01 you know what's interesting too is that with cs2 there's been a ton of i love what a salty like gamer he's being right now this is so much no you know why i am sure yeah because you're a gamer i've been playing a bunch of wingman. Had no idea this was a thing. Oh, that's why you're mad. Yeah. What the heck? Okay, like there's one thing we ran into, which was, I think it was called perspective audio or something. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:37 I was trying to figure out like why I can't hear anyone half the time. Like there's this balcony thing and I'm playing under the balcony and some guy just lands behind me i'm like i didn't hear him jump over the balcony how did he land behind me sure um and i ended up figuring out that this perspective audio thing made it so that i like hear sounds that are in front of me oh interesting more differently than i hear other sounds or something and i i don't think it works very well because i turn it off and and it's like oh careful you might not hear things as like positionally as you did before

Starting point is 00:13:07 and suddenly now I can hear things and I know where people are by turning it off. So I don't know if maybe that's a me thing. Maybe I'm just used to the old form of audio more. I don't know, but I swear I couldn't hear stuff and then I turn it off and I could hear stuff. I didn't realize there was, you know, a setting that just tells you

Starting point is 00:13:22 where the bullets are gonna go. Square pusher goes, how's he being salty? He's just debating whether it's a good or bad thing no no i can just i've just known him a long time i can tell from his body language and his facial expression he's like he was a super salty boy while i was talking i'm just salty because i didn't know it existed i've been trying to play without it um and you know what it's okay look for the people who are upset about it i will offer i'll offer one more kind of parallel that i think might make it make more sense valve already has had going as far back to at least 1.6 which is the first i played counter-strike really um so even going back

Starting point is 00:13:57 there are you sure you didn't play an earlier one yeah i'm very sure okay yeah. Yeah, I wasn't a gamer. Okay. Like, I didn't, or I was, but I had a Pentium 166 until, like, 2003. Like, I couldn't play 3D games. Yeah, okay. Anyway, so even going back to 1.6, it's not like the crosshair hasn't always been somewhat adaptive, depending on what you're doing. If you start strafing, it'll get a little bit bigger in order to signify that there will be a reduced level of accuracy. You crouch it and it gets smaller. So this paradigm has existed in the game for 20 years.

Starting point is 00:14:39 I think the thing that makes it kind of chill to me is if you're at an extremely high level it's not really going to make a difference anyways yeah exactly because now the difference between being an elite level player who has it memorized and being uh someone who's good at fps but doesn't have it memorized doesn't necessarily play counter-strike all the time it doesn't have to be this it can be this so you can at least whatever or this the point is it can narrow the gap a little bit so the game can actually be fun at all and for people who play fps but don't play counter-strike it narrows a portion of the gap that i would argue is mostly frustration yes it's very frustrated it's very frustrating if you mostly play games where the crosshair is where the bullet goes and you drop in a

Starting point is 00:15:28 counter-strike and you go, well, between the netcode and the hitboxes and the utterly useless crosshair, I have no idea where my bullets are going. So you've heard about that. And now I get to sit here for five minutes and wait for the next round. Like it can be, it can be a very punishing gaming experience for new users. heard about that. And now I get to sit here for five minutes and wait for the next round. Like, it can be a very punishing gaming experience for new users, and if they want to sell more skins,

Starting point is 00:15:52 they've got to make it more accessible, which is great for me, and I'll just not buy the skins. I'm stoked! I haven't been this excited for Counter-Strike ever, but I'm super down. Are we going to play at the LAN then?

Starting point is 00:16:08 Oh, I'm 100% down, because I might actually be somewhat useful for a change, because I'm pretty okay. I mean, you know this. I'm pretty okay when it comes to like... Tactics. Yeah. Strategy.

Starting point is 00:16:19 Covering corners, covering flanks. Like, I'm pretty okay at that stuff. My issue in Counter-Strike is I can't hit the broad side of a barn with any of the guns other than the very first bullet because i had okay because the meta changed from burst fire to just holding it down and memorizing things at some point and so i'm just like all right yeah way back when we first started it was all burst fire um and then people learned the patterns and then it was no do the full mag but know the pattern yeah yeah yeah and and and so you know it's just

Starting point is 00:16:51 gotten to the point where the time to kill for anyone who would do that was so low that you know i i could be i could be sitting there with 100 health and they have 20 and i'd managed to put one bullet into their ankle and they'd managed to put six through my skull and i'm just kind of sitting here going well this is ridiculous and it's not because i have terrible aim i'm actually a somewhat okay fps player i'm okay you're better than you often put on i'm okay well the problem for me is i'm all over the place, though. Like, we've logged into Halo Infinite,

Starting point is 00:17:29 and I'm, like, carrying. And then we've logged into Halo Infinite, and I'm getting absolutely nothing done. And I don't think it's because the opponents changed a ton. Like, this is against similar-ranked opponents. I'm one of those people who, I don't know what it is, but my day-to-day skill variance is the highest out of anyone I know.

Starting point is 00:17:49 And that's not just gaming. That's something I observe in badminton as well. I play against the same people every week. Super checks. Every Tuesday. That's a terrible example, Linus. Okay. I'm going to die tonight.

Starting point is 00:18:10 We've gone from handshaking to like, Luke, you're going to be hard to replace, man. I've known since last week that this week was going to go very poorly for me. And I've just been embracing it. I've just been poking the bear, being like, I know I'm going to get wrecked. Just might as well have it be epic.

Starting point is 00:18:29 So for those of you who don't have the context for this, I treated myself to a bubble hockey game a little while ago. It looks a little something like this one. And Luke had beat me once before. We play most nights after whenAN since we got it. And he beat me once. He's had some close ones. It's not like I just dunk on him every week.

Starting point is 00:18:50 I beat you more than once outside of last week. Had you? Was it two? I think three. Well, it definitely wasn't three. I'd remember that. It was at least two. Okay, two then.

Starting point is 00:18:57 So he beat me a couple times. But they were one-offs, and I had won two or three other games that same night both times last friday he beat me three in a row i was pretty gapped too not happy like most games they weren't won by one point yeah it was i was not happy yeah we had that first absolutely wild game. That was a nuts game. He beat me 7-6 in overtime, which I was not happy about. Very high scoring. Very back and forth game. The shots to score ratio was insane.

Starting point is 00:19:35 Absolutely insane. Neither of us could stop a puck to save our lives. It was crazy. And then the next two were not even close. Yeah, this week i'm not around so let's go boys like i knew he was gonna take that approach since last week i was full effort last week though like i'm not gonna make any excuses i was trying yeah i was trying hard but you do this thing yeah so like i just this week will not be one of these down here. That's what... So I, like, I poked him the other day in the office.

Starting point is 00:20:08 I poked him some other time. I don't remember. I poked him right here just because it's like, whatever. I might as well make it fun. Yeah, all right. All right. Yeah, all right. Anyway, so Counter-Strike 2.

Starting point is 00:20:20 I'm stoked. Let's play at the LAN. Sweet. Yeah. Yeah, all right. But yeah, just in case you haven't been watching it uh the launch of counter-strike 2 has been up and down like my skill level at things yeah a little weird to to say the best to be honest completely removing um that's not necessarily true because i think people can still play through the game versions thing

Starting point is 00:20:42 that you've talked about in the past yep they can still do csgo but who knows how long that's gonna last that'll be that'll become just completely ignored uh it's like uh it's it's a very strategic they know what's gonna happen kind of thing it's kind of like when you um you know when you release a community poll because you know what the answer will be um and and then it doesn't backfire and you end up daily driving the lg wing it's like that i don't have one yet it's it's we we've bought one on ebay because obviously you can't buy them new so i'm still on the note nine oh hey sorry were you going to finish the thought or can i i have i have a little bit more to go over go Go ahead. So yeah, there's the removal of CSGO, which some people are unhappy about.

Starting point is 00:21:30 There's the really weird hit reg issues, which people have been debating about quite significantly, about what's actually happening and what's not happening. But there's a ton of videos you can find online of people clearly shooting people in the head and they're not getting hit in the head. And there's also videos where they show the hitbox, but people have been arguing that the hitbox that's shown when they're doing that is incorrect or something.

Starting point is 00:21:57 And I don't know, something's weird, whatever. There's stuff going on with that. There's issues where like people just ranking up is just like not functioning in certain game modes there's like all this stuff going on that's been honestly really rough um and it's been it's been a weird launch it's been a weird launch feels like it was too early in my opinion to be completely honest how can you be so early and yet so late? Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of true though. Like I, yeah. There was people wanting access for a super, super long time, but then we got it and it

Starting point is 00:22:32 was, it was bad. My fold. Yeah. Dan and I. With yellow stickers. Don't worry about the yellow stickers. Okay. Rude.

Starting point is 00:22:42 Rude. Dan and I, especially Dan, made a rescue attempt today. Yeah. And I am not going to say anything further on the subject. They're going to have to watch the video. But it's going to be a really fun video. Dan, when's the last time you co-hosted an LTT mainline video? I don't think I ever have.

Starting point is 00:23:07 Because I was sort of like an add-on person for David and your Game Gear video, so this will be my, like, first co-host. Oh, sick. Because I'm not, I'm not, like, a writer, right? So. Cool, yeah. Yeah, so, guys, if you, if you, if you, if you love Dan and you want to see more of Dan, there you go. That's all you get. Ha! Got him! No, sorry. So, there's an LTT video coming soon where Dan and I attempt to recover some very important data that it turns out was on my foldable before it was killed by the pool. Did I

Starting point is 00:23:35 tell you what's on it? Yeah, the intro to some video or something? Yeah. Well, that. Yeah, the intro to a video. The intro to the video where my computer died, which is not something that is... Which time? The first time. Okay.

Starting point is 00:23:51 Not something that is easily reproduced. Okay, so here's the thing. That happened a while back. Since then, so when you guys watch the video where I repair the computer, you will be seeing an iteration of the computer that no longer exists because it actually died like less than a week later again uh that time it was uh okay so the well i'm not going to spoil the first one pretty interesting it just died okay we fix it and then the second time this didn't end up being a video because i was like look i can't i can't make back-to-back videos one week to the next about like my computer died and i fixed it

Starting point is 00:24:30 there's not a lot of content in here uh but it was interesting i i had a leak in the hardline tubing that i was using i was using petg tubing which i just grabbed from the warehouse not knowing that petg tubing is out of fashion now in favor of acrylic tubing for hardline because uh it's much more heat sensitive so what happened was i used petg hardline tubing and during the sonos um like audio box wall video that i did with alex we unplugged an extension cord over there not realizing that it was connected to the pump that was running to the pool now normally thermal throttling would prevent that from causing any kind of an issue the water would just get really hot in the loop and your cpu

Starting point is 00:25:18 would throttle to save itself but what happened was it's a perfect storm, right? So we had no pump. The CPU got really hot. Oh, sorry. We had no pump. It was an all metal block, highly heat conductive, metal top, solid piece of metal from EK. And then number three is I was using PETG tubing. that heat with that heat conduction with that heat sensitive tubing caused it to contract and bend and Open up a little bit and the o-ring failed so it killed not only my gaming system

Starting point is 00:25:55 But also the motherboard of the store nader like server that was this is weird Three systems lower, but neither of the systems in between don't ask me i still couldn't explain to you how the water killed this one and this one but not these two were those two wet at all and then i was like a bit of water like on you know like the housing casing like but there were this is a video that's coming where I will show The super micro motherboard and all the points Of corrosion on it and stuff like it It got wasted Wasted surface tension

Starting point is 00:26:33 Yeah yeah I don't know I mean it must have It must have like clung Yeah under you know To something I don't know Wormed its way down water man You can never you can never make something waterproof because water will water will find it and it will it up That's water It's got all the time in the world oh

Starting point is 00:26:58 No Yeah, chaos the bomb They had a Corsair commander Pro fail on them, causing their pump to fail. Their PETG loop got hot enough for the fittings to be able to compress the tubes. Came back the next day to a puddle under my machine. Thankfully, it was off. No damage, but lesson learned.

Starting point is 00:27:16 Yeah, very, very lucky. Yeah, years ago, my work workstation got killed when the ladies ladies restroom flooded overnight hundreds of feet away yeah see that's what i'm talking about water it's like life it just it uh finds a way it finds a way man it finds a way it you know dams and condoms that's what they have in common what do i have in common with condoms they fail find a way through them oh my goodness

Starting point is 00:27:54 we can move on now yeah all right um what i don't know playstation slim why do you why are why do you care about this? I think it's really cool. But they release a Slim every time. I know, but now it's... We knew there was one coming. But now it's a faster, better one. Okay.

Starting point is 00:28:13 Okay, no, the reason I wanted to talk about this is because I looked at this and I went, oh man, I can imagine the conversations at Sony that would have prompted this product. Okay, so you remember the original PlayStation 5 was available in two variants, right? Well, not was, is, it's still available. So the original PlayStation 5, two variants. You've got the disc version for $499, and then you've got the discless all-digital version for $399, if I recall correctly, in American Yankee doubloons or whatever they call them.

Starting point is 00:28:48 And, you know, as far as I'm aware, the majority of the sales have been of the disc version because it makes a lot of sense that as a console gamer, you might want to collect physical copies of your games so that you, you know, have them in the event of, you of you know i don't know you have bad internet or whatever else and also so that you can resell them which is a huge value and something that i think one of the big console makers is going to figure out and force the other's hands i hope and cause the industry to change but for now is just not something that can happen with digital games is just to someone allow it just, I thought you meant the other way around. No, digital games. What are you saying?

Starting point is 00:29:27 Yeah, with digital games, you can't resell them. So right now, there is easily a $100 benefit to buying a disc version of a console and buying all disc games so that you can, especially if you're a prolific game player, so you can buy games, play them, resell them, and effectively subsidize your own future gaming experiences right um and i just i can imagine the conversation around a sony boardroom table when they released these two

Starting point is 00:29:59 separate skews of the product and then saw some user feedback that went, how's the optical drive not just an add-on module? Why did you produce two separate SKUs of this thing instead of just, I don't know, a USB drive? This is technology that's existed for 30 years. We've also literally had consoles that you can click in an optical drive. Since like Sega Genesis or something? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:32 Like it's been a long time. It's been a long time. I don't remember which one, but it's been a very long time. It's been a long time. I mean, wasn't the original PlayStation the result of the failed collaboration between Sony and Nintendo to add to add a disc based to add on to a nintendo console and so i just find it so funny that the new ones are coming out or the new one is coming out and that's exactly how they're doing it they're like oh so you can get the new ps5 Slim, and it does not have a...

Starting point is 00:31:08 Oh, wow. The Famicom computer disk system. Availability started in 1986. Okay, but that's not a CD. But yes. You know what I'm saying. But you're right. Basically, the concept's been around as long as I've been alive.

Starting point is 00:31:24 Yeah. So Sony... Okay, here, let's go through the thing sony announced a new slim model of ps5 reduced in volume by over 30 that's good because it was big i mean honestly it still looks kind of big but uh anywho uh and weight by 18 comes with a terabyte of storage will be the new default model that's my leg not the the desk. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, you know, what's footsie between friends? It features a removable disk drive. A digital edition can be bought without the drive for a $30 discount.

Starting point is 00:31:58 If gamers then change their minds, the separate drive can be bought for $80. While the console is portrayed standing upright in most of Sony's marketing material, this actually requires a separate vertical stand that costs another $30. So Sony has done some pretty clever stuff here, effectively raising the price of the PlayStation. An expensive one, or you might regret it. They've done exactly what we were talking about

Starting point is 00:32:21 in the pre-show today, presenting two options, an unappealing one and... An expensive one. An expensive, a more expensive one. So here, what does this work out to? Where's the actual pricing? Blah, blah, blah. New look PlayStation 5.

Starting point is 00:32:39 Yeah, okay, here we go. So if you want to upgrade later, PS5, okay. here we go. So if you want to upgrade later, PS5, okay. Here we go. Okay, so it's still $500 for the new Slim PS5 with the Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive. So that is unchanged.

Starting point is 00:33:00 But it's clear that they are no longer interested in selling digital editions for $400 because that is now $449 for the new slim one. Then if you want to add the drive after the fact, that's $80, bringing you to $530. You want to put it standing upright, that's going to be another $30 for a total of $560. a total of $560.

Starting point is 00:33:25 So they have effectively changed the price from $499 to $429 for the one that's fully equipped and from $400 to $449 plus $30 for a stand. So $479. I hate the nine. $480. Or then if you want to add the drive

Starting point is 00:33:45 later on after the fact it's like five hundred and five hundred and sixty dollars or something like that um honestly as far as ways of raising the price go um this is relatively inoffensive to me i think that if they had just raised the price outright that would be worse but as someone who would have strongly advocated for buying the disc version of it both in terms of the practicality of being able to resell your games and in terms of resale value of the console itself what i suspect is that all digital ones are going to be perceived as less valued to people who are getting these things down the road. I also might suspect,

Starting point is 00:34:27 I know one of the big draws of PlayStation is a lot of their single player games, actually. And I suspect if, you know, you wanted to play on the road or something, I don't know if you're in a situation where you didn't have internet, maybe it's down, who knows. I think you'd still be able to play with the discs pretty cool yeah so i i would strongly i'd strongly advocate

Starting point is 00:34:50 for that anyway so i don't mind this and i don't mind it costing a little bit more if you go whoopsie doodle i changed my mind uh because it's not that much more it's 30 bucks more yeah yeah both about 30 dollars more if you change your mind after the fact uh here you can have a look at what the modular interface looks like i'm sure dbrand is uh currently beavering away trying to trying to figure out how to make dark plates in these shapes and sizes and all that um unhelpful for d brand it's slightly less ugly now it is i i actually i like the look of it a lot better although you know i do think it would look cooler in different colors and stuff like that and i'm sure that that's something that they can capitalize on yeah i'm not i'm not the biggest fan of the like monochrome future

Starting point is 00:35:46 i was thinking about this the other day your car is growing on me no way yeah the stupid uh damascus uh war zone stupid rap you know what it did the same thing with me really yeah i i it's gonna hurt him to say it kind of like it now yeah yeah like my kids liked it immediately but maybe that's not their childish tastes maybe that's just their more malleable minds maybe they're just more open to new ideas and experiences for so long all design all like interior design a lot of clothing cars everything is just my house white and black everything in my house is white and black don't forget about gray yep white black and the shades between it's inoffensive yeah but it's boring particularly interesting yep yep that's fair that's. I get it. Yvonne and I are, you know, what's really funny is I was grappling with this on Wednesday. I was ordering a cage topper. Do you know what a cage topper is? It an aquarium it's for the the mice that we have as cat tv and i had a top for it but it was uh it was a top i made myself and it was made of just like

Starting point is 00:37:11 some kind of particle board of some sort and the mice are chewing through it and i'd in a house with cats the last thing you want is your mice getting out because it's you know out of the frying pan into the fire a little bit right um so this cage topper is from a company called quality cage or something like that um sure and basically it sits on top of your aquarium goes about like three inches down so that it can't be easily tipped over by um curious cats feline uh companion um and then it has a couple little ramps as a ramp that goes down into the aquarium and then it has a layer and then it has another ramp that goes up to another layer. So it turns it from just an aquarium

Starting point is 00:37:48 into more of like a habitat that they can run around in. And I saw some feedback from other customers that talks about how they see way more of them just like running around in it instead of them just like hiding in their little burrows, and it seemed to be really engaging for them. So I was like, okay, it's really expensive because it's, you know, made in America.

Starting point is 00:38:07 Sure, import taxes and stuff like that. No, no, it's made in America. Yeah. I mean, it's really expensive before I pay shipping and taxes because it's made in America. Right. But as far as I can tell, they're like a small company and kind of do their own thing

Starting point is 00:38:20 and everything is sort of custom. It's cool to support. Yeah, custom built. And I reached out to them they were super responsive and i so i got confirmation of what was the right product and then i'm sitting there on the order page i'll show you the options okay this is interesting i'll show you the options while you look for that someone in floatplane chat mentioned millennial gray and that's like actually a thing.

Starting point is 00:38:46 You can look it up. The like color spectrum of things in our world is narrowing. Because back in the day, things were much more colorful. You think like different grains of wood. You think all the different colors and patterns that used to be in homes back in the day. And then millennials are just like, nope. Whoa. Okay. used to be in homes back in the day and then millennials are just like nope whoa okay so they've got purple and pink whoa and teal all these fun colors oh look at stardust okay that's

Starting point is 00:39:17 really hard to see on the screen but what about quality blue quality blue and i ended up with silver vein oh actually i might have gone with galvanized because it's a little bit cheaper and i was just like yep oh wow i see that is quite expensive cages are oddly expensive like the bird cage that we have is like really expensive i believe you i don't really know why um yeah so i i. I tried so hard to order the purple one. But you still- Or even Stardust. Still just got gray.

Starting point is 00:39:49 I still bought gray. I can't bring myself to do it. It's funny. Yeah. Like, you know what? No. I mean, I do splash of color here and there. You do.

Starting point is 00:40:02 But not in my house. Yeah. Everything in my house is black white or gray because as soon as i choose anything other than black white or gray i have to think about what goes with it and i i do not i do not have brain space for that i can't that's impossible uh yvonne can do it a little bit every once in a while We'll add some navy blue Go like that cat cushion that she made for the Reading nook thing that will probably turn into a makeout nook at some point not there yet not there yet, but I mean Not that far away

Starting point is 00:40:42 What making out in my neck The land parties I've been thinking about that. What, making out in my nook? Weird. With me or? The lamb party's coming up. No, I just, I don't know. Every once in a while, I'd think about like, what grades are his kids in? Yeah. Oh.

Starting point is 00:41:01 Yeah. Then you have that like, oh crap moment of like, what were the kids getting up to in that grade when i was in that grade or the stories that i would hear from my brother when he was in that grade or whatever right like just it's like oh wow and like when you're that age you're like darn parents parents. Yeah, whatever. No big deal. This is normal. Yeah. I wish they'd get off my back.

Starting point is 00:41:27 Yeah. And then now I'm this age and I'm like, wow, they seem very young. I don't know. Oh, man. My brother is a firefighter these days. And he was mentioning the other day about how he went to a call that wasn't a fire, but firefighters will often respond to medical calls and stuff as well.

Starting point is 00:41:52 Yes, someone fell out of their bed or whatever. And it was a bunch of like, it was a group of chicks that were out clubbing. And he was like, I just can't like, he's like, they look like they should be in school yeah he's like this is really weird they look like children like i don't he's like i wanted to send them home it's like man yeah i think we're that old i think we're that old now

Starting point is 00:42:26 yeah they'll be fine yeah yeah yeah or they won't a lot of people are not fine you know that expression the kids will be fine or whatever it's like yeah i mean maybe not anymore yeah if that were if that were true then all the adults today would be fine they aren't uh okay on that note speaking of things that are not okay i'm trying to find a topic that makes sense for that transition something does sure yeah do it why not do it do it you coward the merch messages are okay though uh right we should explain merch messages merch messages are okay, though. Right.

Starting point is 00:43:07 We should explain merch messages. Merch messages are the best way to interact with the show. We don't do super chats. We don't do Twitch bits. We do merch messages. All you got to do is go on lttstore.com, get into the cart with something that catches your eye like, oh, I don't know, this bread plushie or... It's finally here. The Luxe Edition of the LTT... You're welcome.

Starting point is 00:43:32 Oh, no, the cap's open. It's okay, I had already consumed most of that beverage. The Luxe Edition of the LTT Backpack in a stunning apple leather. Yes, my friends, just in a stunning Apple leather. Yes, my friends, just in time for Apple to stop using leather, we are using Apple leather. It's kind of amazing how good it is.

Starting point is 00:44:00 This is my absolutely brutalized, here, check out how much stuff i load into this thing yes that's very heavy yeah this is my like i go hard on this thing bag that is also like way overstuffed that i've been using for pinching here just because he has too much stuff in it about six months um and it breaks in six months's it? It breaks in just like a leather bag. Yeah. It's kind of, it's actually kind of amazing. So it's,

Starting point is 00:44:33 it actually fits better than it ever did. And looks other than obviously kind of changing shape, according to what you store in it, which I've gone out of my way to put, I've been just carrying, I have four screwdrivers in here. Just, you know, just to add two laptops laptops one of them the metal one um no no unfortunately uh so i've got like my uh got my oh that's a mouse pad got my framework got my okay this is gonna be a funny one this like uh it's all all touchscreen one oh yeah yeah so it has like a

Starting point is 00:45:06 keyboard like folio thing but it's it's like two it's two folding sides of a screen um yeah it oh has held up incredibly well i'm super happy with this thing i kept i kept waiting for it to have a problem for it to you know not wear nicely or um you know scuff in a way that was really undesirable and just were really happy with the materials it's everything you know and love about the existing bag but more luxurious anyway the point is in the cart you leave a message you'll see a little pop-up for it and it'll either show up under the show just like ah just like there that one for francis p who just picked up a gift card or our producer dan will respond to your message redirect it to someone who can better address it or even send it over to us for talking about during when show after dark

Starting point is 00:45:58 or maybe even right now dan do you have a couple merch messages for us i do i do oh wait sorry there's one more thing just want to mention this i don't know if this will be a long-term thing right now the luxe backpack is not going to be a regularly stocked item we are taking orders and we will do a production run based on how many orders we get it's everything you know and love about the existing bag but in a more luxurious material so it's kind of a known quantity at this point um that does mean that there will be a lead time on delivery uh but to kind of make this up to you we are offering free shipping for your entire order with the purchase of the lux bag there's a code that shows up on the product page along with a whole bunch

Starting point is 00:46:38 of pictures just kind of giving you guys a closer better look at. You can see that at lttstore.com. People are asking about the zipper pulls. Those are the new zipper pulls. Oh, yes. And he was saying the replacement ones are still currently being manufactured. That's right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:59 Oh, Dan, you know what? No, we've shown the prototype versions of them. Yeah. They're coming just to replace all the ones on the backpacks we've already sold. So these are a polished version of the same new style of zipper pull. Oh, so a smaller run. That makes sense. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:16 I don't know. Yeah, you're not going to really be able to see that on your phone or whatever. All good. I don't go easy on these things. All right, Dan, want to hit me? Absolutely. Let's see what we got here. Replacing my backpack because it got stolen.

Starting point is 00:47:33 What was the most valuable tech item you've had stolen or lost? Man, I had a PDA that was lost, then stolen. I left it behind in the seats at an ice rink, and when I went back for it it was gone uh oh actually that's not the most expensive though did i have i ever told you about the time i lost my university laptop i don't think so oh i don't think so well this is a classic linus moment um it was early and i was getting ready to commute into school. So it was quite a drive.

Starting point is 00:48:07 It was even once I was living with the girlfriend's parents, now wife, the same person, not separate people. Once I was living with the girlfriend's parents, it was still quite a drive. So it was really early in the morning. And I had to like scrape ice or something off of the windshield or just like a condensation frost and so I hadn't gotten into the car yet I just kind of put my laptop on top of the roof did my thing and drove away see you later laptop no idea where it fell off yep yep that was my asus m5ne laptop that i actually diy built up

Starting point is 00:48:49 myself it was a bare bones so i bought the cpu which was actually socketed back in those days uh picked up some ram hard drive and i got like a an extended extended battery that was like a big booty hump on it that made it sit up on the table at an angle but lasted flipping forever. Actually loved that machine. Mine was an LG G2. Yeah, I know about this one. I left on a plane. You knew it too, right?

Starting point is 00:49:17 And they wouldn't let you back on? I'm trying to remember the whole story. I don't fully remember everything. It's been a long time. I remember one key part of the story what the fact that the phone belonged to Linus media group yeah that's very true um I don't think I've lost anything of my own why would I do that um exactly yeah yeah uh yeah I I think I got back on the plane and then it wasn't in the seat pocket or they said to me it wasn't in the seat pocket.

Starting point is 00:49:46 One of those two things happened. I don't remember which. They either let me on. I got to see myself or they got someone to go look for me, but they wouldn't let me on. I don't remember which one happened, though. But then I had some form of tracking on it. I don't remember what it was at the time. And it was like definitely at the airport and then left the airport and then disappeared

Starting point is 00:50:06 um so someone definitely grabbed it um bummer i don't know it was like definitely stolen for the number of times though that i have lost things i um i've had far more times that i've gotten really lucky with things to the point where i'm i kind of i still feel pretty good about my ratio me too like do you remember the time that one of our camera operators left an entire duffel bag loaded with camera equipment just sitting in front of the hotel in ve. Oh yeah. And we just all got into the car and left for the airport and they just left it there and fortunately someone saw it

Starting point is 00:50:50 and turned it back into the hotel but it was full of like thousands of dollars of camera gear. And then when that same camera op did the same thing at an airport in Germany, just left it in the, like when you disembark and haven't gone through customs and everything and security yet they left it

Starting point is 00:51:11 there and we had crossed through just like him and we're not allowed to go back to get back to yeah it was just sitting in an airport which is a really good place for an unlabeled bag full of electronics when you have a shoot to do then you need the camera for it that was but we got that one back too fortunately someone who worked at the airport knew who we were and was like all right i'll go look for it that's always lucky that's very lucky yeah we got very lucky i i always tend to find that my hip to knee angle is very unfortunate and I end up, I'm sitting like this. These are my hips. These are my knees. So things will fall out of my pockets. And eventually

Starting point is 00:51:53 I just got so fed up with it that I like wear these shorts almost exclusively and they have zipper pockets, um, or like the, the LTT sweatpants, those have zipper pockets. So I'll wear those because I can at least zip up the pocket. But there's two times where my wallet has fallen out of my pocket in a taxi. And one of them was on a trip. So I lost all of the receipts that I had for the trip.

Starting point is 00:52:19 Got them. That sucked. And I lost everything in my wallet, but I wasn't carrying cash. So honestly, the biggest value that was lost was the receipts um if i remember correctly you you got me for it but it was like you gave me like a thing instead of money if i remember correctly yeah like you don't have

Starting point is 00:52:43 the receipts i can't reimburse the cash. Yeah, like legally, I can't. No, I know, I know. I'm not complaining. Well, no, I'm explaining it to them because sometimes I'll talk about this kind of stuff. No, this was cool. I actually appreciated this a lot.

Starting point is 00:52:54 And people will not really understand how our accounting laws work and how our labor laws work because it works some other way over there or something. And it's like no if I reimburse this I and without a receipt I have

Starting point is 00:53:11 paid him and he owes income tax on it period like that's so if I remember correctly the deal was so we circumvented it a different way yeah the deal was he was happy and I was happy and it was a business expense. So it's not like we did anything morally wrong.

Starting point is 00:53:34 If I remember correctly, it was like, okay, do a video reviewing this thing and then you can just have it. I think it was the warthog hotas. Oh yeah. Okay. I think that was it.

Starting point is 00:53:44 I don't really remember um but either way yeah so that that was the first one and then the next one uh i called the it was an uber so i actually had the contact because the first one was pre-uber so i called the taxi agency and they were just like you're not getting it back i was like okay uh but this one it was an uber so i actually contacted the uber guy called him he was like not doing rides anymore yeah but drove all the way back and then tried to just like leave after handing it to me and i was like hold on i gave him a bunch of cash it's like a thank you um so i made it very worth his while to drive back but he was he was about to just like drop off the wallet and

Starting point is 00:54:19 take off i think i was like hold on you should be paid for this i think i left a backpack on the sky train once or my wallet um and it made it all the way to the terminus station and i contacted translink and i did get it back i think it was my wallet wow yeah there's i i've been i've been pretty lucky um yeah but ever since then that second time i left my wallet in the taxi i was just like no i like don't travel without zipper pockets anymore cardinal says that's not true you can use other methods of substantiation than receipts cool but he didn't have them yeah because it was paid that was that was like yeah in in that era this was this was quite a while ago in that era i i would pay for everything in cash on trips because you didn't want to use credit cards yeah because then Cause then the, um, the,

Starting point is 00:55:05 the exchange sucked. Yeah. Yeah. So the whole move was before you went on the trip, you would get cash out from the bank. Yeah. You'd go with cash on your trip. You'd pay with cash and then your evidence would be receipts.

Starting point is 00:55:16 So I had no form of evidence whatsoever. Can I just say shout out Rome, like home cell phone plans and like reasonable like credit cards and debit cards with reasonable currency exchange rates. It's getting so much easier these days. But back then it was a huge pain. You'd have to land. Sorry, before the trip, you'd have to exchange some money and then just hope that you had

Starting point is 00:55:38 enough. You'd have to land immediately upon landing. You'd have to find a place that you can buy a SIM. You'd have to distribute your new SIM phone number to everyone that needs it. Like just all these like really just annoying steps that shouldn't honestly have to happen. But yeah. Okay. Second one I got for you here.

Starting point is 00:55:58 Oh, right. I didn't even realize we were doing a merch message anymore. I had no idea what started that conversation. 45 tangents. Hi, DLL. Photographer here. message anymore i had no idea what started 45 tangents um hi dll photographer here i want to get away from dropbox and set up a nas but need backup thought about replicating my zfs encrypted with a friend any tips for properly baking a nas without monthly fees backing backing oh backing so this is something that does exist you can do it with synology um the problem with synology is you're stuck buying their stupid proprietary expensive nas's so you're effectively just paying up front instead of paying for a monthly subscription for

Starting point is 00:56:42 a cloud service um and you get to buy your own drives it would be way better if you could just build a nas using commodity hardware and then set up features like that easily because it has never made sense to me that in present year it's not the simplest thing ever to just keep the encryption key for yourself send an encrypted something over the internet tubes and then have someone else be like hey i got you bro can you back up some stuff for me and then it's just encrypted and they have their own key um i think we've talked about this in the past how there could be potential liability around what the data is so i would so this is not legal advice yeah i probably only want to do something like this with someone that i trust you know like

Starting point is 00:57:28 a lot of things um but i would like something like this to exist which is one of the reasons that i invested in a startup nas software company it's some former unraid folks and i actually got an update from them recently they're still busy beavering away um and i they seemed very apologetic when we chatted last weekend that like they hadn't really said anything to us in a long time and i was like nope i'm just about the pacifist um investor you could possibly possibly imagine. I took very much the same philosophy with the investment that I did with Framework, where I pretty much wrote a check, which is to say that I asked very nicely for Yvonne to write me a check. if something comes of it then great and if nothing comes of it then hey at least uh hey at least i did whatever i possibly could have done to make this thing that i think should exist exist so if these guys pull this off um their software will be based on an existing excellent nas software that is just very obtuse and difficult for moderate to low skill level uh people to use um and should include an easy version of of of shared um co co backup

Starting point is 00:59:01 like that even with synology i found setting up setting up so I found the process of setting it up kind of difficult but we did do a video about it at some point I have no idea what that video is called so that's your that's your best option for now in terms of something that is user-friendly enough that anyone who's asking me for advice about it could possibly hope to follow along oh right more topics um um account locking devices sucks oh yeah this is amazing though hello did you leave a printer here this morning monday july 3rd i got it working and printed this but i can't use some of the features until you remove it from your HP account. Can you please take a moment to log in and remove the printer from your account? Hpsmart.com.

Starting point is 00:59:52 Thank you and have a wonderful day. Done three days later. Enjoy. This is great and heartwarming. This is from the LTT subreddit. Yeah. But it should never be necessary. Very happy that that person actually did follow through and remove it from their account that's great very cool but so but so many devices a

Starting point is 01:00:15 won't work at all with an account lock so you won't even be able to get into it and figure out what the problem is necessarily and or if they work and b just even if they do work a little bit no one will bother to to to unlock them and they will just end up being either complete e-waste or partial e-waste and i just i guess what i'm trying to say is i don't understand why. It added cost to this printer for HP to implement the smart hardware to make this possible. What does it do? I mean, that's a good question. You know what?

Starting point is 01:01:07 Maybe that's part of it is I don't learn about printers or buy printers anytime other than when I absolutely am forced to yeah so sure what what does it do help you know the disaster recovery guide uh which is like over 200 pages oh our internal disaster recovery yeah like documentation for if bad stuff happens yeah yes we're probably gonna print it like probably around four times why uh if the internet is out we should probably be able to access it you mean the whole internet like mobile data too sure i mean it's disasters man man there's contingencies in there for like if this area is gone okay yeah that's fair yeah you're not wrong we're currently effectively trying to figure out like how many copies do we need one of the theories is one for each server room and then one at each one of our houses but that might be a lot. I think one's probably okay.

Starting point is 01:02:07 It's probably all right. You said 200 pages? It's big. Yeah. A lot of it will be blank. Not a whole blank page, but there's like a lot of unused space on some of the pages.

Starting point is 01:02:18 Yeah, I think if we went with one copy, that's probably okay. Yeah. Chat's all mad. Not one, more than one okay how about this one and we laminate it hey take that environment who needs microplastics we can have macro plastics who wrote it uh uh sean uh also known as whaler on the forum new it guy sick all right it's good to and laminate both i'm not negotiating

Starting point is 01:02:46 with you guys this is this is not genuinely not up to chat at all it's actually up to him i'm just giving my opinion which is pretty solid um mic Microsoft finally does it. Would you feel better having one at your house? No. Are you sure? Yeah. What if something super bad happened and you had no way to access the internet? I'll walk to work.

Starting point is 01:03:15 Let's go. Couldn't take that long. I mean, realistically, what else am I going to do? My family's all dead. All right. I mean, there's also like, what if, what if, you know, like Google drive is down or something like there's other ways that you could lose access to it without every form of internet being down.

Starting point is 01:03:42 Three, two, one backup. I know it's fine. It's up, 1, back up. I know. It's fine. It's up to you. It's up to you. Okay. All right. I made a video on that,

Starting point is 01:03:54 like, actually almost a decade ago at this point. Yeah, so that's why he's forgotten. Oh, my God. There are things that I made videos on that long ago that I've definitely forgotten, but that's not one of them. Yeah, like, he's not very good at hiding his porn anymore. That video is so bad. No, it's great.

Starting point is 01:04:12 It's actually so good. We have made some very questionable content choices over the years. Oh, it's very questionable, but it's actually a pretty good video. Yeah. I mean, it's not inaccurate. No. I'll give you that. Yeah. And it's actually a pretty good video yeah i mean it's it's it's not inaccurate no i'll give you that yeah um and it's very funny sounds good to me seacole and slash tim yep yep yep we've got a man of culture here um all right microsoft has finally done it they have closed their $69 billion purchase

Starting point is 01:04:45 of Activision Blizzard King nearly two years. Is that how long this has been dragging out for? Makes sense why it feels like it's been absolutely forever then. The UK's Competition and Markets Authority approved an altered deal where gamers within the European Economic Area, so that's the EU plus three other countries, who purchase current and future Activision games

Starting point is 01:05:08 will have the right to stream them on whatever service they want while Ubisoft will hold the cloud gaming rights to current Activision games and those made over the next 15 years everywhere else. What?

Starting point is 01:05:25 Huh? What? This means that while Microsoft will own the games, they will have to get permission and pay a license fee to Ubisoft

Starting point is 01:05:41 in order to add them to Xbox Game Pass or any other streaming service why ubisoft i am sure that somebody knows that but it isn't us and it isn't anyone in our chat what can i just put on my tinfoil hat for a second here? Is it that maybe Ubisoft? Okay, hold on. Now I'm trying really hard. I really don't get it.

Starting point is 01:06:15 Because someone's like, Ubisoft is French and this is a European thing. So maybe they found a French gaming company. But isn't like a massive percentage of Ubisoft owned by tencent i mean i don't know i this makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever i mean everything about it uh the fact that this is a 15 year thing i mean microsoft is a company that thinks in 10 plus year terms um this this makes effectively no difference as far as i can tell like yeah it's a it's a short-term inconvenience but in the long term microsoft will just own all of those ips and all of the streaming rights because there's no way they're going to renew this deal here's a spicy question would you prefer microsoft or would you

Starting point is 01:07:02 prefer tencent because they're both trying to accomplish the same thing and no one really seems to talk about the Tencent side of this but everyone's super pissed about the Microsoft side of this and in my opinion if we're going to be super pissed about it we should be super pissed at the whole thing well yeah I mean we talk about consolidation in general terms and I don't think anyone's happy about Tencent having their fingers in just about everything it's like way worse in my opinion the Logitech G cloud was something I was really think anyone's happy about Tencent having their fingers in just about everything. It's like way worse in my opinion. The Logitech G cloud was something I was really surprised to find a Tencent end user license agreement in.

Starting point is 01:07:33 And I talked about that in my review of it. I'm sitting here going, sorry, what? I have to agree to a Tencent license agreement in order to turn on this device. I don't know if that's the case anymore, but it definitely was when I did my review. Yeah, I don't know. Ubisoft has the increase in... Yeah. A number of companies wanted the cloud gaming rights

Starting point is 01:07:57 for Actors in Blizzard games and had to essentially pitch the competition markets authority in the UK. The interview-like process meant the cma picked out the companies that would work best with its concerns over cloud gaming and then it was up to microsoft to ultimately decide on which company to restructure its deal with okay so there was there was a process here but it doesn't make it feel any less kind of still seems weird as heck roundabout and whack. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:29 Do we, do we use the word whack still? I don't know. I think it's whack. Yeah. This whole thing. Yeah. There.

Starting point is 01:08:36 Yeah. It's whack. You can, you can quote me on that. Yeah. Um, the Microsoft Activision, Ubisoft three way thing here. It's whack. Um, the Microsoft Activision Ubisoft three-way thing here, it's whack.

Starting point is 01:08:48 Um, so, in summary, Microsoft will own the games, but they will have to, oh, no, I already said this. Uh, presumably, Europeans will be limited by what service has made available, but then logistics. Okay. The FTC, however, says it is still planning on challenging the acquisition and will be submitting an argument to an appeals court in December. According to the terms of the now finalized, but I don't know the FTC might challenge it, deal, Activision CEO Bobby Kotick will remain at the company until the end of this year to facilitate a smooth transition after which he's set to leave. So at least Luke gets one of his big asks which is to get Bobby

Starting point is 01:09:31 Kotick out of Activision Blizzard King that's great in other news Sony has announced that they are launching a PS5 cloud streaming service later this month though at launch um they're launching PS5 cloud streaming later this month though at at launch, they're launching PS5 cloud streaming later this month, though at launch, these titles will only be available to stream on a PS5 console, which titles? Okay, I don't know. My notes are a little weird here. Microsoft, meanwhile, currently controls an estimated 60 to 70% of cloud gaming. Our discussion question is, in an industry where console gaming is becoming less and less important, is Microsoft's expansion into cloud gaming a genuine threat? So first of all, I think console gaming is actually still very important, and so does Microsoft.

Starting point is 01:10:12 But it is also very clear that Microsoft sees cloud and console gaming as things that go hand in hand. because a console is one of the best understood by the general consumer ways of getting a cloud streaming device into someone's house and hooked up to their TV. Yeah. Yes. Microsoft's expansion into cloud gaming is a genuine threat. They're the only credible player

Starting point is 01:10:43 that has a significant foothold in the space i mean stadia disappeared uh luna when's the last time amazon luna crossed your mind i barely even remember that that existed well it's not in canada so that might be one reason like i wanted to do a video i've heard of this but yeah here here, Luke Laptop. Yeah. Amazon Luna, Cloud Gaming Service, Sonic, and whatever that is. Oh, that's probably Fortnite. No, I figured it out. I figured it out.

Starting point is 01:11:13 You got there. Yeah, so Ubisoft makes another appearance in this topic. Yeah. That's something. Jackbox games are fun yeah but really that's one of their four highlight things that i'm sure if they had six highlight things they would have populated those other two spots there's definitely some aspirational space here yeah the prime the prime gaming one not even having eight titles now i'm looking to see if there's any duplicate

Starting point is 01:11:46 ones across here actually doesn't look like I don't know sorry I need to see what this B game is it doesn't have Jerry Seinfeld why does it look like Netflix B simulator does the does the B date someone local PVP Metascore 58 oh yeah that's did they display that was that interesting so they

Starting point is 01:12:12 hey hey you want our games they're junk wow this is a b-tier game from four years ago and that's on the front page. Oh, my. Really? You're not going to acknowledge that at all? What? Oh, it's pretty good. That took me a second.

Starting point is 01:12:33 No, it was good. It was good. Are you still poking around in there? I was, but I don't think it's really worth it, to be completely honest. B-tier. Hey, you want to play every single Ubisoft game that are all the same but with different skins on them oh okay are you still poking around at it no i'm just salty about ubisoft no ubisoft has other games oh do they wow which which tower simulator game do you want to play

Starting point is 01:12:59 okay oh this is just an alphabetical order this This makes sense. That is, wow. That seems like a bad way to do that. It really, really, truly does, doesn't it? Wow. I mean, Far Cry, you know, I haven't played one since the second one. Far Cry and Assassin's Creed are like exactly the same, just with skins. That's the comment I was making. But Monopoly is different. Monopoly is different.

Starting point is 01:13:24 Monopoly is just too close to real life now though. I don't think people like playing that game anymore. Yeah, it's a little depressing. Wow. Ubisoft doesn't have that many games. They have Watch Dogs and they have Far Cry and they have Assassin's Creed, which are all the same thing.

Starting point is 01:13:40 Is Ghost Recon still relevant at all? It's... The last time I played it I Is Ghost Recon still relevant at all? It's... The last time I played it, I angrily refunded within the two-hour window. Really? The last Ghost Recon I played, yeah. Hmm.

Starting point is 01:13:55 Okay. I disliked it quite heavily. All right. Fair enough. I don't remember why. I think... Was it this one? Is it because you're a salty gamer? Was it Wildlands?lands no because I'm I

Starting point is 01:14:07 thought I was for a long time and then a few recent games came out and I was like maybe I'm not maybe I'm not the one who's wrong there's a lot of Ubisoft published titles that are definitely not in that list which is interesting like i know people are people are actually pointing out in chat games that are not there um but hey you can play uno you can you can definitely play uno and oh there's trackmania and i've actually heard a lot of very positive things about trackmania i've never played it myself yeah but the thing is if there's only that many games aren't you better off just buying those games instead of signing up for a subscription service? I kind of, he's baiting me right now.

Starting point is 01:14:49 I think that's true anyways for like a multitude of reasons. It's also better for the developers in a big way. But then you have to buy a computer instead of Amazon Luna, which is very popular, I heard. Actually, I mean, you know what? No, I would love to know. Are any of you using Lunauna do you like luna like are these servers just empty and therefore the quality of service is super high it's possible oh they can feed everybody like 200 megabit a second because

Starting point is 01:15:20 nobody's using it yeah exactly right servers being empty can i make an appeal really quick to the developers of battle bit oh please you gotta change the map selection thing it's so bad it's so bad i am determined this is why players are leaving this one feature feature the map ends you vote for a mode and then you vote for a map but for some reason it just doesn't care what anyone votes for anymore and you can't necessarily pick for the game mode that you want so certain people only want to play a particular type of game mode i personally like conquest because it's more of the old-school battlefield style We have all the different vehicles all the different things are in the game. It's more fun in my opinion for me But I can't vote on it twice in a row because they hide it for some reason if you just played it and then even If you even if the the whole lobby is like, you know what we want to play this specific map or this specific game mode

Starting point is 01:16:22 It'll just be like whoa i don't care and just randomly select something else and they've had a huge player drop and they release like a new map and some other stuff to try to offset it i don't think that's going to change anything because people can't play what they want to play this is exactly the same problem that i had with halo infinite yeah like you there wasn't even in halo infinite they didn't even pretend that there was a way for you to say what modes or what maps you wanted to play yeah you just now you can pick modes more easily i don't know i think it's you're still just stuck in a map rotation but it was incredibly frustrating it just feels like gaming has taken some significant steps back you youngins out there did you know that you used to be able to

Starting point is 01:17:05 just go into the server browser sort by 24 7 dust find a server that was not empty but not full and double click it and then you would just be playing play d dust as much as you want as long as you want and then i used to play bad water in tf2 i would just search 247 24 slash 7 space bad water gold rush for me but sure whatever works like the the but the so you know what i suspect is that the play time is longer if you force people to play maps and modes that they don't really care about and grind them in order to get a bigger dopamine hit when they actually get the one they want. If I had to guess, I would say that's what's happening. In my opinion, to follow that up, I think it might be short term game, long term loss.

Starting point is 01:18:01 I think so, too. I think you're right. Because it's dreadful to dive into that so maybe yeah you play for a long time because you're like i really want to do this one thing and then you can't do it and you're like i really want to do that so you stick around until you can do it but then you look at the and when the new shiny comes along i think you're easier to pull away yeah because you can't just play the game the way you want to play it yeah it's so frustrating and like it it kills me man because there's only i i don't care there's a particular way that i want to

Starting point is 01:18:32 play battle bit and it's it's gotten to the point where we spend a very significant amount of time hunting for the ability to play the game that we want to play it and it's just a massive percentage of the time it's just ripped away because even if the whole lobby you can watch it happen it'll you'll you'll play a conquest map yeah and then this will be a whole group of people that is like yep we want to play conquest so the vote thing comes up and if conquest is available it wins by votes or you'll watch it happen it won't even be available for whatever stupid reason so everyone clicks random hoping to get it and then it just picks something different and then everyone leaves you'll see the load into the next map you'll see it'll be full and then

Starting point is 01:19:15 just everybody's because now everyone's trying to hunt for the server that they actually wanted to play on again yeah it's like man come on i think it's killing the game and that sucks because battle bit is really fun and i think i feel like it's gonna die because of this so i just please save your game and i think that's the reason why it's dying i could be wrong i don't know what i'm talking about ultimately yeah i mean look at him i, if he could build a successful online business, then he'd have more to show for it than this shirt. Yeah. What color is it, Luke? Tell us, Luke.

Starting point is 01:19:53 Non-official blue. Non-recognized blue. Convoy 83 put this pretty well. Luna is of so little importance, work can't be bothered to block it at the firewall. And that seems to be the prevailing sentiment oh my goodness yeah apparently from the people who have used it

Starting point is 01:20:14 it's deece and most people have just never heard of it and it seems to be kind of a red headed stepchild at this point and that no one at Amazon seems to care about it that kind of checks out given that one of the highlighted games they have on the homepage is a rando game from four years ago. Do you want to talk about Google defaulting to pass keys? Oh, we should probably

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Starting point is 01:22:27 Well, this one's about badminton, though. Who would win in a badminton match, Luke or Dan? Oh, Dan. What? Luke's body's broken. I don't even know if he can move his arm back right now. I'm not 100% sure. Let's see.

Starting point is 01:22:42 I don't think I can either. This is about... Ooh. this would be very interesting to watch i'll tell you that honestly i love how we're all getting older it's warning me of danger right there my shoulders don't work yeah i can't really i went to the gym shoulders are also messed up yeah we went to the gym the other day and i gotta like pull it i couldn't i couldn't feel the left side of my face after we were done it was like concerning yeah are you good yeah i'm good that was good it was very actually it was good to do that couldn't feel the left side of your foot what do you mean it was good to do that

Starting point is 01:23:13 what sorry what did i miss something here yes anyway moving on uh okay no no no uh just old nerve damage injury oh got it got it got it my shoulder uh aggravates it which is kind of fun really so your shoulder like it's a braxial plexus injury the shoulder bones connected to the face now it's got a collarbone sort of thing so the nerves come down the side of the neck they go underneath the collarbone and then they go out through the arm so my collarbone hurts which means that my hand tingles and some of my face goes down. Wow. It's very strange. That's wild.

Starting point is 01:23:49 Yeah. So when we're doing stuff, we're dealing with my weird shoulder issues and his weird shoulder issues. And I used to have a personal trainer to recover from this injury. And we focused a lot on the back stuff. And so every time I do something with a back exercise, it's like 300 pounds. And then I go to lift my arm above my head, and I think I can do like five pounds properly.

Starting point is 01:24:12 It's very interesting. Wow. VNG Supernova says, I can't feel my face when I'm with you. It's me and Luke. Except we're old and not doing drugs. Yeah. Cool. Okay, next up. i think that would be uh anyway

Starting point is 01:24:29 who dies first in terms of yeah in terms of who i think would win um man luke would try really hard i don't know you know what i think it might be dan i think it might be dan i feel like we got to do it i mean yeah i got a whole badminton center you guys can use. We're working on it. I'm down for whatever. No, like there's actually like one now, isn't there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a little gym.

Starting point is 01:24:55 There's a little gym that you guys could use right now if you wanted. Yeah. Oh, I forgot I've made that one too. Went and show after dark badminton. It's ages ago. After party. All right, Dan, hit me again. hit me again hey wan team what do you think about hardware keys for security is it worth using oh it kind of depends oh i did for a while

Starting point is 01:25:16 and i just find like google authenticators so much demystified about them more convenient yeah there's a lot of people that disenchanted i think maybe that's what you're going for what did i say um i don't remember but it seemed a little off that's probably wrong that's what i meant um yeah what did i say i don't remember whatever yeah um because there's an issue of like if you secure things with it a lot of people attach them to their keys and then if someone gets your keys they have your stuff yeah but then i mean there's also cases where that could make a lot of sense like a physical also factor totally like like people are saying like

Starting point is 01:25:57 hardware keys are much more secure it's like yeah in a lot of cases they they are they can be but i think their flaws are often overlooked and one of the problems for me is that if you don't have your hardware key on you there is no way to get into that account so what users will tend to do is set up alternate authentication for when they don't have their hardware key on them there's also having multiple factors that are or factors rather than and factors you might as well not even have it means you might as well not have it and there's also a ton of services that do not work unless it's set up that way when it comes to hardware keys they're like oh you can add a hardware key you just also have to have an or and then it's like okay why did i even bother doing this yeah so i don't know there's a lot of caveats i think they're super cool i think if you're in a very high security environment where everything can work with uh no oars it's just ands yeah you just have an outboard motor if it's just ands then it can be really fantastic but a lot of services in your day-to-day life are

Starting point is 01:27:12 not going to work that way i would even say most and i would also argue that um a huge amount of the most important ones to you are probably not going to work that way so it's like i don't know um yeah they're neat but often not able to be used to the degree that you would actually want them to be able to be used to like man i'd be super i'd be super down in theory for a hardware key that's like nuclear launch you know like like this hardware key and this hardware key. Like if it was configurable to that degree, like Luke and I could each wear necklaces with like a hardware YubiKey on them.

Starting point is 01:27:53 Like, okay, we need to hack the float plane mainframe to update the server cloud. Again, we both plugged them into like both sides of a laptop and we're like, yeah. Yeah whatever right like we got into the gibson uh yeah like that would be sick but a lot of that stuff never really a lot of the early promises of hardware keys never really caught on, in my opinion. Yeah. All right.

Starting point is 01:28:29 Okay, last one I've got for you today. Really? The last one today? For this segment. You mentioned the need for Android or iOS. Having done the Linux challenge, what changes on Linux phone operating systems would you need to see before trying something like Graphene OS or Proton Phone OS? I have no idea. A lot of people have been telling me to try Graphene OS when I get my new Pixel. There's a couple of comments about that, yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:56 Wait, because I thought Android is Linux to a degree. Yeah, at least it used to be. I don't know if it is. So what do they mean by linux operating systems like graphene os because graphene os is just like a fork of android if i understand that correctly right yeah which is also linux and open source so they just mean a different android sort of but also android is linux so a different linux something. I don't know. It seems like sort of a weird distinction to draw. I'm interested in Graphene OS,

Starting point is 01:29:30 but if it doesn't have a call screening option, I will not use it. I will not use any phone OS that does not have call screening options for the rest of my life, as long as we still call each other using phone numbers and there is at least one option that has call screening. If Android got rid of call screening and iOS had call screening,

Starting point is 01:29:52 which I believe it does currently have, I would immediately switch to iOS. That's how important that is to me. Got it. Maybe there's like a third party thing you could add or something like that. GM Shippo says it does. Nice. Then I might try it.

Starting point is 01:30:13 So that's something. Yeah. I don't see, they don't have compatibility listed for eighth generation pixels yet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it won't support it soon it seems like it's got a pretty active community around it a lot of passionate people and i don't think pixel 8 and pixel 8 pros are in people's hands yet i'm actually i'm honestly not sure i know that the embargo is up for reviews but i don't know when they start shipping to individual users when did

Starting point is 01:30:42 you order yours uh last week oh okay i'll be getting it this thursday oh wow okay so you're like right in the in the launch window here yeah did you get the pro or the non you got the pro right i did that came with the watch i knew you were going to get the pro i actually wasn't going to get the pro nah you were going to get the pro i was i knew it i literally had a saved cart that was not the pro. And I knew that that cart would never get checked out. Why? It's just not the right one for you. Okay. You just need a bigger screen. You want to know the, you want to know the real answer, which I don't know if it's going to make them like me more or less, but you probably know what it is. Uh, because it comes with the watch so you can sell it. No. Oh, okay. Hold on. Hold on. i'm pretty sure the cheaper one came with the watch too let me think let me think let me think

Starting point is 01:31:27 what's the real okay the real reason it's kind of lame it's like actually kind of lame does it come in a slightly different color no uh i'm racking my brain here too. Yeah, I'm having a... I mean, it's not something stupid like the stupid wider refresh rate on the display. No, no, no. Yeah, that's dumb. I even read that on the spec sheet and was like, what? Well, no, it's a power saving thing. Oh, sure.

Starting point is 01:31:57 Yeah. No, I mean, wider refresh rate. Sure. It's a lot of work to refresh a screen at one Hertz. For real though. Like, no, cause, cause like decaying and whatnot. Yeah. It's a whole, it's a whole thing.

Starting point is 01:32:13 You know what? I don't know. Actually, I just thought it would be down to bigger screen. It has more Ram. I know you're going to use it like for flipping ever until it dies. So by the way, the call screening thing thing i don't know if that's right uh by call screening what i specifically mean is not its ability to say like this is a suspicious caller it's when someone calls me i want to be able to press a button and have my phone talk to them and

Starting point is 01:32:37 tell the person that i'm screening the call and then when they respond i want what they say to turn into text on my screen and then i can decide to answer the phone or not. That is specifically the feature. So that's why you never pick up. What? I don't screen your calls. I know. I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 01:32:54 I screened Riley once. Did I tell you about that? No. It was from a phone number I didn't recognize. Oh, okay. So I screened it. And then he was like, um, and I answered it because he said it was riley i was like okay cool but i get i get spam calls like once a day yeah he doesn't scream my calls he doesn't have

Starting point is 01:33:11 to because i'm in his phone book so he can just ignore my calls yeah yeah he used to be no it's not like that anymore but he used to be really bad about picking up my calls i don't know what it was maybe living in a basement and also just not picking up my calls. Reception issues was actually a problem for a while. It's funny how there's always something that's a problem. You can install Google's phone and have the stuff on that. I don't know if that's 100% true. I don't know if that's 100% true.

Starting point is 01:33:38 Because that call screening is not available on all Android phones. It's only available on Pixels. I do not know i could be wrong i'll look more into it later but i just it's not it's not just the warning it's specifically the screen this call button that i want anyways uh yeah i was 100 gonna buy the cheaper one yep and then i knew it I was 100% gonna buy the cheaper one. Yep, and then I knew it. All right, hit me. I did it because you convinced me on WAN Show. Nice, yes, ha ha!

Starting point is 01:34:13 Which is why I knew it. If I didn't ask on WAN Show, I would have just bought the cheaper one, and honestly probably been fine with it. Yeah, you'll like it better. But I think that, because I didn't have much trust in the longevity of the device that's fair i mean and i think honestly kind of a pixel guy yeah i i think

Starting point is 01:34:33 buying the pro is honestly a bit of a gamble gambling that it will last longer than i honestly expect it might yeah because it has the same, but it's driving a higher resolution display. So will you feel the leg more as it ages? Maybe, maybe not, but maybe. But the counter argument there, which I don't know if you're even saying, but I was kind of interpreting, is like, what do I do on my phone? Nothing. I used messaging apps, uh i play phone call i play chess

Starting point is 01:35:11 or or avoid phone call both of those yeah yeah avoid phone calls apparently like my most important feature on the entire phone i believe you um and like very very rarely the only higher level gaming i'll do other than chess is i might play slay the spire like once a month on my phone right yeah i used to be a big like can gamer yeah i'm not him well i i am still now i guess but it's chess which is like not a problem i just i just anything i'm all about the google news feed for for my can needs now like i just but like you don't need a fast phone for that is it that the games just got too involved maybe that's part of it like i can't just jump into a game like i i okay at risk of you know tmi here i don't take 20 minutes to you know drop off the kids at the pool right so it's relatively efficient yeah so i uh i don't i

Starting point is 01:36:05 don't have time to like click through 18 different you know boxes that i opened today and then queue for a match and like sit and you know so it's yeah maybe there are still really casual mobile games that that could be good for can time but i'm all about the news now maybe i just got old there's a couple like there's a final fantasy game that i was all excited about that i got and played like twice and then i was just like oh because i never have yeah the the play sessions are too short kotor exactly the same play sessions are way too which final fantasy game i don't know like a pixel remake or something or you mentioned it so i picked it up really the um i don't remember what it was oh man i could find it but yeah no no yeah what's it called let me see uh man there's a lot of final fantasy games for mobile i installed warcraft rumble played it once was like wow

Starting point is 01:37:04 this is a cash grab and immediately uninstalled it it was free though so i don't feel that bad um final fantasy dimensions yeah i've been meaning to play that i i haven't even played it yet so it seems cool it's just yeah you know not toilet compatible yeah yeah like maybe if you're on a trip or something but then i feel like you're gonna bust out the you're gonna bring your switch yeah yeah well my intention is to play it on an android tv device that's what i was planning to do i i was gonna play it on the shield that'd be cool yeah there's no way i would play that on my phone because it's just the the touch interface is just so clunky why are we doing this by choice yeah i'm not worried about the purchase i actually do think i'll get my

Starting point is 01:37:49 my time out of it but i think it'll be those like i am unexpectedly stuck here for like an hour yeah i have nothing to do and i'll be like oh yeah i have that final fantasy game on my phone sweet yeah so like i i think i'll get play out of it. You do need to play six at some point. It is actually my favorite game. I'll tell you what. I'll make you a deal. I know what the deal is going to be. If you play Final Fantasy.

Starting point is 01:38:12 You have to do it first. Hold on. You have to do it first. Okay. Can you just at least hear out the deal first? If you play Final Fantasy six, I will watch Pirates of Silicon Valley. Okay. Hackers. Okay. And I'll play the Titanfall 2 campaign. I'll do allates of Silicon Valley Okay Hackers Okay

Starting point is 01:38:25 And I'll play the Titanfall 2 campaign I'll do all three of those things He's been writing me about all three of these things For actual literal years To the point now where there's no way any of them can live up to any hype No, not even close It's impossible He's gonna be disappointed with every one of them

Starting point is 01:38:44 You must do these things before you die or your life is not complete. Okay. I mean, I'm down. Sure. Alright. Okay. Okay, so what... I'm part of this now. I can't stop. What happens if... It's too friendly. Yeah. What happens if... It's too friendly. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:09 What happens if I play it, and then you don't... No, no, no. There'll be milestones. I'll tell you milestones after which I have to do a thing. Okay. Deal, right? Deal. Okay, all right. I think...

Starting point is 01:39:19 Is there some... What's the best way to play it? You just asked a question. It's about to start a war in the comments section. I mean, as someone who, you know, grew up on it. Hold on. Let me just see if I can make sure I get this right. Are you doing a poll or something as as someone who grew up with

Starting point is 01:39:46 it i would say the ted woolsey translation of the original english version of final fantasy 6 which was called final fantasy 3 at the time oh my has so much character that it outweighs the inaccuracies and the quirks. However, there are much more accurate translations and even versions of the game with extra content, such as Final Fantasy VI for the Game Boy Advance. Because you've got to remember, this game has been released like 10 flipping times. It's like the Skyrim of Final Fantasy.

Starting point is 01:40:26 It was released for Super Nintendo and somehow has never gotten... I don't know, I guess the latest Pixel remaster is maybe the closest to really getting a real layer of polish on it. But, okay, so there's the original for the SNES. It was released for the PlayStation as part of an anthology. It was released on Game Boy Advance. It was released for PC in like kind of a kludgy crappy one. It was released for Android. The Pixel remaster came out for PC. That's six off the top of my head and there's probably more.

Starting point is 01:41:01 Wow. Sea Linus skate on this thin ice. But look, look. um wow sea lioness skate on this thin ice no but look look i think lines iconic lines like son of a submariner have charm okay i enjoy that line even if they were not true to the original intent of the writers for the game. What does that mean? It doesn't matter. It means whatever you want it to mean. Conrad thinks I should play the Pixel Remaster. That's probably the one to play. It's got a lot of modern quality of life features.

Starting point is 01:41:39 I played through Final Fantasy IX on PC. I bought it again on Steam and played through it. And it has this feature where you can just turn off battle difficulty. You can just be like, no, I just want to do 9,999 damage with every hit because I'm finding this dungeon really boring. And so it has modern quality of life features. However, I would... You know what no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna i'm not gonna advise you how to play it you play it however you like to play it it sounds like the worst form of

Starting point is 01:42:16 subs versus dubs i've ever seen yeah what is subs versus dubs no i don't care what this is this is fine you're gonna play the three. What way do you think I should play it? I'll play it whatever. No, no, no. Because I want you to enjoy it. So if you get bored in a frustrating dungeon, like the Magitek facility or something like that,

Starting point is 01:42:38 and you're just like, oh, I got on the wrong conveyor and it's dragging me. Okay, whatever. I'm just going to blitz through a couple of battles. I'm not going to tell you, no, that's not the correct way to enjoy the game. Oh yeah. Honestly, I wasn't even really paying attention

Starting point is 01:42:52 to that feature portion. I just meant version of the game. So do you still think pixel remaster? Well, I haven't played the pixel remaster. Oh, okay. I mean, I would happily just, you know, drop into it for a little bit and say, okay, yeah. Do you want to verify for me?

Starting point is 01:43:05 Or should I just try to go? I would say that everything that I've seen about the Pixel remaster... A lot of people have been very positive about it. ...has been very, very positive. It looks like they have done a good job of updating the artwork while remaining true to the original style.

Starting point is 01:43:24 Lots of modern creature comforts. And without unnecessary, stupid, ugly changes. I would say that's probably the best way to go. But I don't know if I will ever be able to i don't know if i'll ever be able to immerse myself in any of the remakes for little reasons like they rename items they rename spells and for me i don't like that i don't i i i find they did that i find the old limitations, you know, I find them charming. I find the misspellings of, you know, some of the Esper's names because it was an eight character limit. Quaint.

Starting point is 01:44:16 It's sort of, it is a relic of its time. If you think it's more legit to play the, Well, I don't. I will do that. I don't because I haven't played the pixel remaster. Right. So I don't. Why do you. Why am I calling it a remaster? Remaster.

Starting point is 01:44:33 Why are you not calling me on this? I honestly didn't notice. Please. Remaster. Some of the charm of some of these old games is struggling and fighting through stuff though no that's true and there's there's ways that you can kind of overcome it with emulation to a degree uh like one of the things that um i would do when i played through later not on my super nintendo like on an emulator is just set the emulation speed to like 20x. And then one of the cool things about Final Fantasy VI,

Starting point is 01:45:06 that's a feature that I haven't, I have seen repeated, but often see missed, is that if you just hold the confirm button as you are going into a battle, it will just auto fight. Every character will just fight and just you know kill stuff so if you're over leveled and you're just trying to like make it way through your dungeon you can just rent man like turn emulation speed up to 20x and it'll

Starting point is 01:45:36 just be like and they'll and so as long as you don't hmm overestimate your leveled-ness and get annihilated before you pull your finger off the button. There's little things that you could do like that if you wanted to actually play an SNES ROM, or I mean, I have a cartridge. If you wanted to pull out the Super Nintendo that you brought to your first job interview,

Starting point is 01:46:00 I would be happy to loan you my cartridge. But it's an older game and being able to save anytime you want as an adult with a life that would be helpful kind of a big deal it's very likely i would end up playing it in like small chunks yeah it's it's it's pretty it's pretty nice it's pretty nice oh man if pixel remaster is is totally chill i will probably go that route yeah the warden the warden meteo greater than meteor 100 percent it's just a character limit thing i don't even think that was a character limit thing because i think there were spells that were longer than that and like medio just sounds like the spell version of media yeah it's so cool i have no issue with that at all

Starting point is 01:46:49 and okay there's things that were janky like it's fire fire two fire three because there weren't enough characters for fire uh fire raga right is what all of those are called now. And, you know, lightning was just bolt, bolt two, bolt three. That doesn't bother me at all. Ice two,

Starting point is 01:47:10 ice three. Um, holy is called pearl for some reason. So that's interesting. There's definitely some confusing things about the, we'll see translation. And so you'll have, uh uh you'll have opponents that are weak against holy and as a kid as far as i could tell there was absolutely no way to hit them for

Starting point is 01:47:33 their weakness so there were problems there were problems um let's see i've got something for you here mark has sent me a message he's just got an email from 23 and me it's because they took out any religious stuff but then they didn't take out the weaknesses against holy it just couldn't be a spell name apparently so it must have just been one of those incomplete like sony america sanitization so i know that there's some things in final fantasy six that were changed for the North American release. Like the dancers were less provocative in their, you know, pixel art way,

Starting point is 01:48:13 for example. And I think there's an incident of like, like, like drinking that is turned into like soda or something when it was actually alcohol or something like that. Anyway, sorry, sorry,

Starting point is 01:48:24 sorry, sorry, sorry. Go ahead, Dan. Oh yeah. yeah sorry i didn't mean to interrupt marcus just sent me a message saying he got an email from 23andme about his data should i send that over to you guys to have a look at sure okay i'll let you know okay you know which address to send it to, right? I'll make sure he knows. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Starting point is 01:48:50 All right, sure. Yep, thank you. Cool. Are we supposed to do topics now? What on earth are we talking about? You're talking about topics for another 45 minutes. Oh, cool. Do you want to talk about Intel's new graphics card

Starting point is 01:49:05 that everyone is talking about and really excited about? Yeah. Well, that's too bad because there isn't one. Oh. I mean, there's a graphics card. But nobody's talking about it and nobody's excited. So this is, is this, yeah, what is this? Is this Arc 3?

Starting point is 01:49:20 No. This is Arc Alchemist. This is still first generation Arc. But this new card, the a580 sits in between the a750 and the a380 okay it has 24 xe cores 24 ray tracing units and um matches the a750 with 512 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth and 8 gigs of RAM. The release was made with very little fanfare, and its pricing at $180 puts it only 20 bucks below some models of the A750. It is not very exciting.

Starting point is 01:50:02 Why? Not, why is it not exciting? why i don't know i i would i would i would hazard a guess that this has something to do with uh i mean it was okay all of this is speculation this is all speculation because remember how it was rumored that intel was basically sitting on like warehouses of gpus that they couldn't sell yet because the drivers weren't done. And like, there's been a lot of bumps in the road. This was announced a year ago, this GPU alongside ARC three and ARC seven, and it just hasn't materialized all this time. So if I had to guess why they're launching this thing, I would say

Starting point is 01:50:42 it's because they just had them already and they have to do something with them at some point and so i think this is just their way of putting them out there recouping some of their losses i mean we already knew looking at the size of the a770s die and the the price of that card compared to other similar die-sized, similar VRAM-configured GPUs from AMD and NVIDIA, that Intel is not making money on these things. And this is about getting a generation out there, getting their driver development going,

Starting point is 01:51:20 putting some silicon in gamers' hands, incentivizing developers to optimize for arc which clearly worked really well with bethesda and just understanding that this ain't going to be perfect and we're very grateful to our first generation customers hey don't worry battle mage will be better we hope and um okay i mean maybe this is about maybe this is about telling shareholders we've launched the whole lineup now like i i can't you know get rid of dead stock um hit a milestone you know whatever whatever the reason is um it can't be we think this is a really competitive product at a great price and

Starting point is 01:52:06 we think it's going to sell like hotcakes that that much is very clear it's not like intel doesn't know how to benchmark a gpu sure they can figure that out yeah i mean at least it won't get you banned from counter-strike 2 hey and it can play starfield now in other news oh yeah yeah there's there's the note starfield running 117% faster or something. Yeah, Intel updated the drivers for all their ARC cards, adding support for the A580, but also claiming significant performance gains. While many of the games listed were older titles, Intel did claim up to 149% improvement at 1440p high settings and up to 117% faster performance at 1080p with ultra settings for Starfield, which is pretty exciting.

Starting point is 01:52:51 I am really glad that the rumors ended up being false about Intel dropping out and giving up on discrete GPUs. It seems like they have, I mean, okay, if they've stayed the course for this long, there's no way we're not going to see Battlemage. And I would be very surprised if Battlemage doesn't end up being somewhat competitive.

Starting point is 01:53:19 Decently solid is all I'm really hoping for. Yeah, and realistically, I've talked about this before. AMD has a money furnace and they have lots of money fuel to throw in their money furnace. Even if Battle Mage isn't amazing, even if it's not an

Starting point is 01:53:36 industry leader, as long as it's a little bit better than Alchemist, then at least they can continue to go to the investors and go, hey, but, yeah, the other guy go, hey, but yeah, the other guy is still ahead, but we're making up ground here. Stick with us till Celestial. We got this.

Starting point is 01:53:54 And maybe we have a legitimate third player in discrete GPU, which would be good not just for gamers, but also for the other industries that are using GPUs. Like how, how freaking tired are we of NVIDIA not caring at all about gamers because they're so busy shipping every wafer that they can possibly book with TSMC to the AI machine learning industry for crazy higher profits.

Starting point is 01:54:21 We need more competition in that space. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Because all of those high price gpus i mean that cost will get passed along to you at some point once the vcs are tired of just throwing money into their money burning furnaces yeah all right time to uh time to have a look at the 23andMe breach email. So this went to one of our staffers. Let's fire up my laptop here. We are following up on an email that we sent earlier this week

Starting point is 01:54:57 regarding our ongoing security investigation. We learned certain profile information, which a customer creates and chooses to share with their genetic relatives, and the DNA relatives feature was accessed from individual accounts without the account user's authorization. So you decided who you wanted to share it with, and it was accessed by someone else. While the investigation is ongoing, we believe the threat actor was able to access certain accounts and instances where the usernames and passwords that were used were the same

Starting point is 01:55:21 as those used on other websites that had been previously compromised. So if you go on a site like haveibeenpwned.com, you can find out if a username password combo has been already breached and make sure that you change that and don't use it anywhere else. And also don't do that. Use unique passwords on every site and use a password manager, please. This doesn't line up for me, but we can talk more about that later. How does this impact you? We have identified your DNA relatives profile as one that was impacted in this incident. Specifically, there was unauthorized access to one or more accounts that were connected to you through DNA relatives. As a result, this feature was exposed to the threat actor.

Starting point is 01:56:06 Great, so your profile information was exposed. You can see a full list of the types of information that may have been included in your profile here. What are you doing about this? We're working with third party forensic experts. Where's the part where there's any kind of actual legal liability for any of this? That's what I don't understand.

Starting point is 01:56:23 Like Luke, I remember, sorry? legal liability for any of this that's what i don't understand like luke i remember sorry i'm not twitch died oh okay not us that's unfortunate that's fine yeah we're still fine um so where's i going with this no legal ramifications yeah right i remember talking about this when we started the forum and i basically anytime we were collecting any kind of personal information like remember when we set up the ability for people to support the forum through memberships yeah and i was like yo do we have any payment information let's make sure we're not storing credit cards and you were like no man don't worry i got this and i'm like okay because i don't want

Starting point is 01:57:09 anything name email that's already like the maximum amount of information that i need to store about someone if they voluntarily fill out like their birthday or whatever like that's that's on that's on them but i i don't want to be in a position where we're holding on to anything like payment information or any anything that could turn into a real world security threat um and part of that came from a place of being concerned about legal liability but part of it just came from understanding that breaches happen. Well, not liability, because liability is a legal term. Yeah, I didn't mean it that way.

Starting point is 01:57:55 But just personal responsibility. There we go, yeah. I don't want to hold on to stuff that when inevitably it gets accessed, it's going to be a big problem for you. Never wanted to care that much. And so what I am trying to understand is why something that was intuitive and common sense, not just to me,

Starting point is 01:58:13 I'm not some unique big brain genius to come up with this. Luke felt exactly the same way about it. And full transparency, a bunch of years back, the forum did have a breach. Yeah. We talked about it on a WAN show. We were super public about it. This was transparency a bunch of years back the forum did have a breach yeah we talked about on wanshow we were super public about it this was a long time ago and it was like luckily we don't hold anything yeah and and so why is it that something that's common sense to us is not common sense both to the companies that are collecting and storing this information and

Starting point is 01:58:44 to the lawmakers that keep seeing this in their headlines presumably and don't take any kind of action because at a certain point you can't just go uh-oh spaghettios there needs to be actual consequences yeah the other part that's weird to me is the claim of um while our investigation is ongoing we believe the threat actor was able to access accounts in instances where the usernames and passwords that were used on 23andme.com were the same as those used on other websites i mean that would be true at any time that's not a breach do they mean an admin account? Or how does this person have millions of accounts? I'm not sure.

Starting point is 01:59:29 It just, and like, why is it being reported the way that it's being reported? And like, all this other stuff doesn't really work for me personally. I feel like there's more to this than they're admitting. Probably because they're trying to completely dodge any form of liability like we're kind of talking about um i don't know it just i don't know it doesn't seem to work for me i'm very frustrated uh oh man matt stl says shadow had a data breach i'm not a customer anymore and haven't been for some time, but they left my account live and stored financial data as well.

Starting point is 02:00:09 Stored financial data. Like we, like there needs to be like, look, I'm not, it's not that I want an honest mistake to result in insta termination of every company that makes an honest mistake. You can't swing the pendulum too

Starting point is 02:00:25 far the other way but on the other hand there have to be real consequences that make companies treat this stuff seriously because it's clear that they're not going to do it on their own people are saying it was credential stuffing um but did they get the credentials of a higher level user? Or was there really just millions of accounts that had the same login and password? Nah. Regular user.

Starting point is 02:01:00 Really? Says, not sure if it helps, but I got an initial email from 23andme and i don't have an update like this you might not have one yet but also yeah maybe not every individual account was accessed then maybe my understanding is just wrong i thought it was like millions of accounts maybe it's not anywhere near that many. Apparently Shadow got social engineered through Discord. Oof.

Starting point is 02:01:38 One account can have the info for many people shared to it. Oh. That makes a lot more sense. Why would you be doing that i thought it was millions of accounts of a specific background i heard a lot about a specific background as well which is why i thought this but now that we know it could be sharing it could be one individual person that encouraged a very large community of people to do this for whatever reason and share the information with that central person um or that group of central people and be a multitude of them

Starting point is 02:02:11 got broken into this is brutal okay well at any rate yeah that's rough that makes a lot more sense understand now um but yeah yikes google returns features following a sonos fumble recap google and sonos have been locked in a patent war uh for the last few years which in early 2022 resulted in google losing a case regarding controlling multiple speakers together in a group. Rather than pay Sonos a licensing fee, Google pushed software turning off that relevant feature on devices that users had already bought. I spoke out about this at the time, and my take on this was, Google, you actually may not just remove features from devices that you sold advertising those features. I am personally very frustrated by this Google Sonos TIFF because it affects me personally. I invested in Sonos hardware knowingly because it had excellent integration with Google Play Music.

Starting point is 02:03:20 And I described this on a recent WAN show or other recent video. I can't remember when and some people seemed to kind of misunderstand what i meant i know that you can still use youtube music with sonos the problem is you have to use sonos's clunky crappy app and honestly even the speaker grouping is clunkier in sonos' app compared to the extremely elegant integration that was in Google Play Music. So I never touched the Sonos app. I just would come home and I would be listening to whatever I'm listening to in my headphones and I would go into Google Play Music and then I would just use the cast button, the normal cast button, and I would just

Starting point is 02:04:03 click it and then I could click a speaker, or I could click a few speakers and confirm, and I don't know if it supported static groupings. I actually can't remember because I haven't seen the interface in years, but it was amazing because it was just continuous, and then when I was on my way out, I would actually be able to walk out the door

Starting point is 02:04:24 and just flip it back to my headphones and be good to go. It was just continuous music and it was so seamless and it was awesome. And then Google deprecated Play Music and then because of their patent tip with Sonos, have never integrated that same functionality into YouTube music. And it sucks. I know that Spotify has integration with Sonos. It is not as good. It is really clunky and inelegant by comparison. Gremlin Injector asks, but why did you trust Sonos? Don't you know better after their bricking debacle? I think Sonos learned an important lesson after the bricking debacle, which if you paid close attention to it, you'll know never happened. Nothing is bricked. Everything still works, which is great. So yeah, yeah. I mean, anything smart can just disappear, which really sucks and is bad. But it seems like they actually learned something handyman says lmao what

Starting point is 02:05:26 nothing compares to spotify connect do you know that did you use it okay then i also have a counter yeah spotify connect does not come with youtube premium yeah but also i i i considered just switching over to spotify just if it had really good integration and it just didn't i'm sorry it didn't uh it was not as good it was not as clean it was not as seamless um Google Play Music was really really awesome with the with the uh with the integration with Sonos come on what do you mean come on I'm going to subscribe my thing on Spotify is if you watch a lot of youtube i don't think it's worth it because if you watch a lot of youtube youtube premium is actually fantastic and it comes with uh youtube music which is a not amazing app but it still gets you basically all of your music you can listen to

Starting point is 02:06:17 without ads it gets you the 80 of spotify maybe it doesn't get you 100 but it gets you the 80 of spotify and it's not another subscription service you have to get i don't know anyway as someone who had serious frustration with this situation um i basically went look google this is your product you sold and the feature no longer works and that that really sucks um i i wish you guys would just pay the licensing fee however it seems like according to the facts of the case google may have been right here so last friday a judge decided that some of the patents in the case were invalid and threw out the decision on the grounds that two of the five patents were actually filed in 2019, and Sonos inappropriately tied them to its 2006 applications so that it would appear as though they predated Google's devices.

Starting point is 02:07:13 Google's immediate response to this overruling was to push an update restoring some of the old features. That update was released on Tuesday, two business days after the decision. Google likewise released a blog post calling for patent reform. This is not the only recent setback for Sonos, who apparently have been trying and failing to address an infamous problem with their $900 Sonos Arc soundbars that causes the device to occasionally emit a loud bang, described by many users as similar to a gunshot.

Starting point is 02:07:43 I've never heard this. I have an Arc. Maybe it's only certain revisions of the hardware. I don't know. That's not great. Sonos attributes the problem to an interoperability issue with Dolby Atmos and has advised users to turn it off and switch to Dolby 5.1. Complaints about the issue go back at least two years. Okay, in that case, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:07:59 I have never experienced this with mine, but who knows? Maybe that time I thought that someone was firing a gun in my living room. It was actually my ARC. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I've never experienced this with mine, but who knows? Maybe that time I thought that someone was firing a gun in my living room. It was actually my arc. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I've never heard. You never know. I mean, our discussion question here is a good one.

Starting point is 02:08:13 When companies remove a substantial feature from a device or a service, should they be obligated to offer a refund? I mean, I think that's the least that they can do. I feel like they should have to do something. Or like, you know what? Okay. Speaking of patent reform. Okay know what about this what if what if um you know pending the results of the of the litigation uh google pays the licensing fees into an escrow account that is returned to google with you know interest or something like that from sonos if they win

Starting point is 02:08:42 or goes to sonos if ultimately they lose. But at the end of the day, this shouldn't be impacting the customer. That is definitely not the right way. I agree. I just want Google Play Music back so that I can cast to my speakers properly. Sorry. It's okay. I tried. I wanted to like, oh, what is it called uh dts connect or something like that is that is that what it's called uh i i can't i can't remember what what's what's that what's that other one called uh svs has a box uh streaming svs prime yeah yeah here it is the svs prime i really wanted to like this thing on paper it's it's awesome. It seems like, stop,

Starting point is 02:09:28 it seems like a high quality amp and, you know, the hardware seems great. It's, you know, AirPlay 2 compatible. I don't have an iPhone, but the way that it worked for me was through, The way that it worked for me was through, I want to say, DTS Play-Fi. Yeah, this is their audio over Wi-Fi solution. And it's behind last time I used it. I really, okay, full disclosure, used it uh i really i i okay full full disclosure svs would have given me a sick deal to outfit my house with those such that it would have been i i don't i don't i don't know what exactly they were offering i don't remember but it definitely i what i know is from talking to uh jake about it it would have been cheaper than the used last gen sonos boxes i bought oh wow and i would have had brand new

Starting point is 02:10:25 uh prime prime wireless pros um and i just said forget it and i just i just bought them um if i if i had fewer zones i i think from my experience with it it was like fine but i don't remember the exact details i basically have a lot of zones yeah i ran into some kind of an issue and i basically went okay forget it i can't really do this anymore by the way sop cannon in philippine chat says that they're having that pop issue that you were describing oh really yeah well apparently that is a thing well sop cannon maybe should stop sop firing the cannon stop pop cannon yeah horrible yeah i know actually terrible um next topic yeah best buy nix's physical media meanwhile this is hilarious netflix is planning to open physical locations i didn't see that part the best buy nixing physical media is interesting. When I used to work at the Best of Buys back in the day,

Starting point is 02:11:27 it was like probably close to a quarter of the store. It was huge. Got them CDs. It was massive. Pick up that Sarah McLachlan. Yeah, and you could tell over time. Alanis Morissette. That section of the store was shrinking,

Starting point is 02:11:43 and I guess now it's just shrinked to zero they will no longer sell DVDs or blu-ray discs starting in 2024 this is only five years after they dropped selling music CDs according to John Fairhurst CEO of limited run games Walmart may also be dropping sales of physical games in the near future. Limited run is awesome. Just a weird little shout out. I've gotten a few things from them. Everything I've gotten from them has been very good quality. Very cool group of people doing very cool things.

Starting point is 02:12:18 We've talked about this a fair bit. I think more recently when Australia wasia was not going to get physical media or something like that oh yeah yeah some of the movie studios weren't going to do physical blu-ray releases in australia um high qual the highest quality version of a movie may simply no longer be available to consumers very soon like almost now starting in 2024 like you'll still probably be able to buy them online for quite some time but this is kind of wild um i i don't really have a ton to add here other than that there are still advantages to physical media and there are still problems with abandoning physical media um but that doesn't change the fact that this tide cannot be stopped now.

Starting point is 02:13:08 It's very clear. Meanwhile, Netflix has announced that they will be opening two Netflix houses. And this, please tell me that this is a play on Columbia House. That they're going to call it Netflix House. Please, please tell me that. These Netflix houses will have merch, food, and fan experiences. Fan experience location is what they're calling it.

Starting point is 02:13:36 Based on whatever happens to be the hotness on Netflix at the time. They have previously dabbled in pop-up retail stores and experimented with immersive experience based on the hit show squid game Can I just say this actually makes a ton of sense to me? I? See there's a bit more skepticism in our discussion prompting here, but I thought it was like go rent a physical cop I was like, what are you doing Netflix land? Yeah, I mean would would you go to a stranger things

Starting point is 02:14:05 themed you know land inside a netflix theme park i think some people would i mean netflix has a serious collection of first party ip now i feel like i would go to what's that what's that the the game show one that everyone was freaking out about the mr beast remade you just said it i think yeah squid game yeah i feel like i would go to, what's that? What's that? The game show one that everyone was freaking out about, the Mr. Beast remade. You just said it, I think. Yeah, Squid Game. Yeah, I feel like I'd go to one of those.

Starting point is 02:14:30 That'd be interesting. Yeah, like you could totally have Squid Game experiences. So here, here we go. So Squid Game, Stranger Things, Wednesday. I don't know that they would necessarily own enough of Adam's family's IP rights to do anything with that, but who knows? Bridgerton though, Bridgerton, though.

Starting point is 02:14:45 Bridgerton is huge. Stranger Things, which I already... Oh, no, sorry. I already mentioned that. Lucifer. Yvonne really liked that one. Yeah, The Witcher, that's not their IP. But if they put some effort into it,

Starting point is 02:15:03 I definitely see the opportunity in the long term for them to build out a theme park experience here and i mean disney has certainly shown the way in terms of integrating theme parks into a successful media business oh boy yeah people are uh people are talking about the Bridgerton. People have some ideas for what the Bridgerton zone might be like. Okay, okay, okay. This is not an adults only park. Get your mind out of it. I've never watched Bridgerton, but I've seen some ideas in chat.

Starting point is 02:15:39 Okay then. Yeah, Bridgerton's pretty sweaty. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah in a different form yep uh not like tries really hard at video games no kind of the opposite i think yeah no it's busy trying hard at other things um this is interesting a california court has ruled that facebook's ad targeting system is discriminatory both because it requires advertisers to choose their ad audience by demographic characteristics like age and gender, and because Facebook's lookalike

Starting point is 02:16:13 audience tool then matches those businesses with potential customers that have traits similar to their existing audience. This follows a court case where an older woman complained that she was being excluded from ads that offered favorable deals on life insurance because the ads were typically targeted at younger people and men. Isn't this interesting? Why men? This could change the landscape of targeted advertising. The case did find that her claim was accurate, but it's unclear why life insurance policies would specifically want to appeal to men over women. This is a note in our notes here.

Starting point is 02:16:53 Yeah, yeah. Now, younger people, obviously, they're less likely to die in the near future, but men are actually more likely to die younger than women of the same age. That's why I was confused. Yeah, so... Maybe more dudes are like, I'm pretty risky, I should get this. likely to die younger than women of the same age. That's why I was confused. Maybe more dudes are like,

Starting point is 02:17:08 I'm pretty risky, I should get this. Yeah, I have absolutely no idea. Men are apparently more likely to buy them. 58% of American men own life insurance policies versus 47% of American women, but there could be any number of reasons for that. That kind of makes sense to me. If it's only marketed to men, then maybe only they buy it.

Starting point is 02:17:24 I don't know. Meta is likely to appeal this decision but if it's upheld the decision might require every ad-based platform on the internet at least the ones that operate in america to restructure their ad targeting systems i mean right is is ad targeting just going away this will really affect flow plane very heavily we'll have to re-engineer yeah the zero dollars of advertising that we do every year the free advertising that the parent company gives it yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly um do you want to talk about the 23 year old coder who fixed a 22 year old firefox bug um that's awesome sure a 22 year old bug in firefox has finally been fixed by a 23 year old engineering student who had never contributed to an open source project before the bug causes

Starting point is 02:18:19 tooltips to remain in the foreground if a user command tabs away command tabs command tabs away from the browser before moving their mouse away from the toolbar the tooltip would persist until the user put firefox in the foreground again and move the mouse off the toolbar wow that sounds like a pretty minor bug but i am 100 certain that would really really annoy people with specific ocd uh the issue was first reported in june 20 uh sorry 2002 and in fact the bug uh predates firefox itself and was inherited from the project it was branched off of the issue was reported repeatedly over the course of two decades but it was never resolved likely because it was a minor cosmetic issue not causing crashes thus low priority um after being repeatedly annoyed by the bug 23 year old yifan zu which i hope i pronounced correctly but probably

Starting point is 02:19:15 didn't you did a great job horrified to realize how long it had been how long it had gone unaddressed and decided to fix it despite the lack of familiarity with the firefox code base but otherwise no one else was going to and then they did and it was successful as far as i can tell that's so cool they did end up needing a little bit of help from a more uh a more experienced developer but hey that's one of the benefits taking initiative open source let's go right yeah that's great i think it cool. Yeah. What's not cool is the fact that I'm spoiling my children and turning them into little monsters. What the? There was a post earlier this week

Starting point is 02:19:52 that was flagged by our community coordinator that reads like this. I'm astonished at how much gaming Linus gives to his kids nowadays. I know I am nobody to control him, but still, from their personal setups to the caravan gaming, to server rack-mounted gaming, and much more from the other video projects,

Starting point is 02:20:11 isn't Linus giving too much luxury to his children? I mean, even with me, all the dedication that I have converted from the sadness and anger of not having tech luxury, at the most, I would only give my children a small game console in nursery, an Xbox or PS in first year, a light laptop in fourth a mobile and sixth or earlier and a gaming pc around some time not 10 of the top of the line rtx 4090 gaming pcs at age five um discuss okay so hold on a second

Starting point is 02:20:39 yes it is very clear that my kids enjoy access to technology that is very different from what normal kids would have they have pretty cool gaming pcs at the ages that they are um but they're pretty time limited and you you make them do things they have like goals that they have to accomplish before they can unlock certain amounts of gaming time but don't overestimate how much they are actually allowed to use them yeah as a tech savvy parent i may have the capability and the means to fill my house with technology i was i was counting them and i think in my house there's no fewer than somewhere between 15 and 20 computers i wonder how many screens um fewer than you might think a lot of them are surprisingly single

Starting point is 02:21:33 monitor setups but still tvs okay there's a fair number of screens yeah there's a fair number of screens because there's some there's a bunch of laptops but those are redundant right now because the laptops that used to run the land center are just kind of in a pile right um because we still need to do a video like cleaning it up and so i haven't cleaned it up on my own time because i want to make a video about it anyway yeah the point is um see people ask like what's your power bill i mean they're not on all the time right like so yes i have the means and and the capability to fill my place with computers but that doesn't mean that i but that also means i have the capability to restrict yeah they don't just have free range to access to the computers um i i make extensive use of parental controls like google's family link

Starting point is 02:22:21 and microsoft's whatever family safety i forget what it's called. They're not allowed to install apps without permission. They're not allowed to use the computers without permission. They have to trade at a ratio of I think one to 1.5 piano practice or dance or other like activity practice or chores in order to get gaming time um there are exceptions when we do like family gaming time they don't have to do anything for that but you know that's not that's not something that happens every night that's that's a rule that a lot of people have like there's i know one of them too is like if there's a type of game like uh an example we had when we were growing up very often was like shooter games.

Starting point is 02:23:07 A lot of people didn't want their kids playing shooter games below a certain age, but it was fairly common, I would find with like my friends where they would be like, yeah, I can't play shooter games by myself, but I can play like co-op Halo with my dad. Cause like, as long as they're playing together they're like okay this is fine um so yeah i don't know family time's always been different with that said it's a valid concern and it's one we think about a lot um thank you for raising it and it's it's

Starting point is 02:23:37 definitely something that we're we're we're cognizant of and um you know it's tough right because on the one hand yeah we don't we don't want them to be spoiled little brats right like that's i i don't think that's anything i don't think that's something anyone wants from their kids i think it's something that happens by accident i'm sure there's someone at least yeah i was gonna say 90 of the time i would say that spoiled awful kids probably happen by accident. But that doesn't mean that you can be complacent about it. That means that if anything, you need to be more vigilant about it. So don't worry, we are, we are on it. We are doing our best.

Starting point is 02:24:20 And no, don't assume that just because they have a lot of options for devices that they can use, that that necessarily means that they can just go on them whenever they want. There are some exceptions. I actually created a document a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty proud of this little bit of parenting. The document is called I'm Bored. And the reason it exists is because I wanted to have something to point my kids to every single time they walk up to me and say, That's smart.

Starting point is 02:24:52 I'm bored. And so this is the I'm bored document. Do you want me to read? Yeah, sure. You can read it. Okay. So he's got locations. So I am asked, I'm'm bored and i am at location x

Starting point is 02:25:07 these are the things that i can say so everywhere includes hide and seek tag listen to music or dance educational activities on phone or computer uh camera play take pictures to record videos of each other do whatever film little videos do do whatever. Forts, building tents out of tubes or crazy forts, other things. I used to build them out of the dining room chairs when I was a kid. Reading, comic book corner, swing outside on the porch, bedroom, cats, just play with the cats in general. Okay, we're upstairs. Here's this insanely long list of toys. All right, we're on the main floor. and crafts hang out with different people play piano yoga and exercise

Starting point is 02:25:47 okay we're in the basement all these other things oh my god this is really long there is so much to do in our house this is very long it takes multiple scrolling swipes to get through it and for that reason I don't want them playing video games all the time because they could play dress up

Starting point is 02:26:04 or they could have a tea party or they could practice magic tricks. There are some video games that don't need permission. If they play Beat Saber or Dance Dash or Box VR. All of those make sense. Or anything that is like a high exertion video game, that's allowed. They're allowed to play Ring Fit Adventure

Starting point is 02:26:24 without permission that also makes sense as long as they have it set to a reasonable difficulty so they're not just breezing through it um yeah other than that they're allowed to play games that we consider educational so i would say for my youngest for example something like wordscapes is considered educational i would say that gets a little less educational later on um but you know if they up to a certain age if they're using duolingo or something like that i would i would consider that to be educational so uh using family link you can apply different limits to apps um on a per day basis or you can okay you can apply limits system wide or to specific apps. So you could have 45 minutes of total screen time in a day, but an unlimited amount of this during

Starting point is 02:27:11 that time, and only five minutes of this during that time, and a completely unlimited amount of Kindle, for example, is an app that is completely unlocked on the kids that have phones, phones and other devices. We also have a kindle that they can just use um because i i'm i'm of the mind that i don't care what they read as long as they read um you know make of that what you will it means that every time i go on my kindle unlimited account i can't find anything in the sea of stupid minecraft books or whatever but that's a small price to pay oh my goodness um are we doing

Starting point is 02:27:54 yeah topic still okay I'll just blow through this one I genuinely think this will be short but it was in the call out topic so it is what it is github copilot might be running at a loss according to a report from the wall street journal github copilot which costs users ten dollars a month was losing microsoft over twenty dollars per month per user in the first few months of this year with some heavy users costing microsoft up to eighty dollars a month microsoft has not responded to the claim

Starting point is 02:28:21 that github was running at a loss but nat friedmanman, who was CEO of GitHub when Copilot was launched in October of 2021, called the claim false. However, Friedman left the company in November of 2021 and has not provided any additional details, with the Wall Street Journal standing behind their original reporting. standing behind their original reporting. At the beginning of this year, ChatGPT was estimated to cost OpenAI $700,000 a day to run at 36 cents a query. Now here, can I just jump in for a second? How does that account for the hardware? Because OpenAI would probably roll their own hardware.

Starting point is 02:29:01 So is that just in power? I'm honestly not sure. sure is that with amortized hardware cost across it too i'm assuming that but i'm not sure anyway uh yeah it's well known that most llms are resource hogs analysts have projected projected that unless these ai systems become much cheaper and more efficient we might see a significant dampening in investor euphoria over AI due to the heavy costs associated with deployment and uncertainty around profit models. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what we talked about yesterday. Um, and whether or not the GitHub copilot thing is necessarily true. Something that I still stand behind is the access to bing chat and now windows co-pilot being

Starting point is 02:29:46 completely free is wild that's mind-blowing to me oh by the way apparently um open ai is using azure that makes sense right because of the microsoft microsoft yeah okay yeah so the chat's going on a crashing yeah not yet it takes a bit more time for the silicon valley investor bros to uh chill out this is part of the reason though um why innovation has been what i would personally call stifled to a certain degree is because access to this type of hardware has become so financially competitive that a lot of not vc backed interested parties are having extremely hard times breaking into the space they can't get the hardware power uh to be able to back it up there's even like ovh emailed me this week and was like by the way we got gpu servers now heard you do video you want some gpu servers and i was like no because i know what the pricing is going to be on them yeah

Starting point is 02:30:51 if this was a few years ago i might have been like maybe we'll take one to experiment with but now it's like no these are effectively ai servers or ai research servers, whatever you want to call it. So, yeah, not interested. Twitch chat asked, what the heck are you eating? Doritos. Gamer fuel. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:31:18 Speaking of which, we still owe you guys a GPU server, don't we? Yeah. Okay. I'll personally build it. not that worried about it okay but you could do something with it uh we could play around with it would it be cool it could be i don't know if we would actually hit production though would it transcode the wanshow vod faster i don't want to have to spend saturdays dealing with this anymore but like well there's two unique issues in a row i don't think you'll be spending this saturday dealing with it um bet did you say bet

Starting point is 02:31:56 no i think it'll be fine yeah it seemed it seemed to be quite unique. No, did you just unironically say bet? No, I said it ironically. Okay. Like definitely. All right, cool. Definitely ironically. I was like, who are you? If you thought that I had said that unironically, we would have a problem and we would actually

Starting point is 02:32:17 have to have a serious conversation. This is great. I just get to sit on the sidelines while things get spicy here. Sorry. Is that like a rude thing to say or something? Yeah. No, it's just not,

Starting point is 02:32:28 he would just never say it. Oh, I see. Yeah. I love doing that. I love doing that. Oh, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 02:32:37 If, if, if like your dad unironically said yeet, like it would just be like, what? You know what I mean? Like like it's i don't know um anyways you just attacked my gen z self no i did the problem is that he's not gen z that's that's why i was so confused yeah but i'm i mean i'm terminally online but i i use it all like

Starting point is 02:33:00 absolutely ironically yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but that's how it starts. I know. It's actually become a problem. It's a real problem. I start saying things, and then it just, I can't stop. Yeah. And I try, I've noticed that, and if I find a new thing, then I'm like, ha ha, this is funny to say. Yeah. I will avoid it.

Starting point is 02:33:18 Otherwise, it'll become part of my lexicon. Vernacular. Lexicon? No, I think you're right. Which is it? Aren are they both right probably told you he's got me into it now it's kind of great it's kind of great yeah it's wholesome i like uh what is it what is it called meta modern where we've moved past like the everything is cringe and being sincere is

Starting point is 02:33:50 gross and now everything's just like yeah i like this thing and everybody's like yeah awesome it's so rare to find positivity in the world that it's like wait a second that's the new era it's like post cringe you know it's just you know what i'm so down with that because yeah we talked about this earlier in the show everything being black white and gray right yeah it's the same kind of thing it's like no you can't you can't stand out and be interesting it's like oh come on speaking of black white and gray um travero we should probably switch to floatplane after dark i when show after dark sorry twitch i gotta cut you off yeah bye youtube i think floatplane after dark would be significantly different content yeah uh i mean we can upload anything there

Starting point is 02:34:32 uh trevero in floatplane chat asks what did you think of the bill watterson book i have only cracked open the first couple of pages. What Bill Watterson book? Bill Watterson. He released a book. I pre-ordered it. The Mysteries? Immediately, yeah. So it was done in collaboration with John Kasht.

Starting point is 02:34:54 I don't know how to pronounce his last name. I don't know who he is, but he's a characterist, apparently. That's what I was listening to an interview about it before the show started. That's what you're listening to. Yeah, that's what I got sort of sidetracked by um mine arrived horror was it last week or early this week or something like that i i've briefly looked at the first two pages but i've i've i'm i'm i'm not going to do this in multiple sittings i'm going to i'm going to read it through because it's it's not doesn't appear to be a lot of text it's up like a modern fable or something like i can't remember exactly what it is it is definitely it's it's on amazon it's under horror manga from

Starting point is 02:35:30 what i've seen it is nothing like anything he has done before no it's not very highly rated either um and i am having a hard time so far from the handful of pages that I have glanced through understanding it, what it is and why. And, you know what, realistically, I don't care. I broke the no pre-ordering rule because Bill Watterson, through Calvin and Hobbes, has given me so much joy in my life that I could probably never repay him for it. So as far as I was concerned, it was just... Here, take my money. Yeah, here, take my money,

Starting point is 02:36:17 because I actually don't give a shit how good or bad this is. But it does seem to be just kind of random um i haven't actually looked at ratings because i wanted to just keep my impressions of it completely pure so i'm not going to be looking at you know chat about it but yeah it's a it's a new bill watterson book the mysteries and it has this kind of unique art style. And I guess I'm really not much of an artist. I was more expecting, you know, the writing to say something to me and less sort of concerned about the pictures. Yeah. Can I show individual frames of it? I am. Including some writing? It's on the Amazon page.

Starting point is 02:37:04 If it's on the Amazon page, I'm pretty sure it's fair game. Okay, if you're freaked out about anything, whatever, there you go. So there's like tiny little bit of text. Long ago, the forest was dark and deep. Paired with picture. And then tiny little bit of text. So the night set off into the misty forest. Year after year, they searched.

Starting point is 02:37:23 And then picture. Okay. set off into the Misty Forest year after year they searched and then picture. Does that match your experience? Yep. Hmm. So I'm looking forward to it um it doesn't matter if it's good i mean it might be good it might be like good art or something and then maybe i don't get it but just not your kind of thing yeah it doesn't matter if it's good or bad or whatever um it's it's again it's filed under horror manga if i if i was walking through a bookstore and i saw that as a category

Starting point is 02:38:05 section i would not be pausing i'm just not interested in the slightest yeah me neither i i see also under frequently bought together on amazon there's this book and then the calvin hobbs portable compendium set and those are very different things and i think i think yeah i think a lot of people that are coming to this for bill watterson and bill watterson's calvin hobbs contributions might be a little reacting the way you are being like what even is this yeah but then maybe people that are into horror manga whatever that is are super into it maybe i don't know this has low ratings but when i look through the ratings uh i i think it's i think it's people that were like i liked calvin and hobbes what is

Starting point is 02:39:02 this i think you only get one of these as an author or as an artist i i think you i think you do get a mulligan or like uh you know something that doesn't appeal to your fan base once maybe twice but i think if he if he wants to like make a return to you know being one of the most beloved artists of this generation you know the next one should without being fan service probably appeal to the fan base a little bit um i'm not going to tell him how to do this thing because obviously man doesn't give a f**k like and you got to respect that so again like it's back to it's back to sort of like, I don't actually care because I respect the attitude and I respect the previous work to the point where,

Starting point is 02:39:49 what, $25 or whatever? Okay, just take it. Fine. It doesn't matter to me because he would never merchandise the IP, so I can't buy my kids a Hobbs stuffy, which I would happily do. So all right, if this is the only way I can give you money,

Starting point is 02:40:04 then I guess fine okay tell me this would it be wrong for me to leverage my supplier relationships with stuffy manufacturers to make a one-off Hobbes stuffy. I think as long as you make something for yourself and not for commercial use, it's covered by fair use. Is that wrong, knowing what I know about him not wanting... Why does he not want that? Because he thinks it cheapens the art. Also, I think there's a whole philosophical thing about you know if he ever did

Starting point is 02:40:47 a stuffed hobbs then it would answer the question once and for all whether hobbs is real or whether he's imagined but it's pretty obvious he's imagined yeah but but that's something he has never actually canonically addressed well it wouldn't be made by him so i don't think you'd be ruining that question and i wouldn't be selling it i wouldn't be commercial by him so i don't think you'd be ruining that question and i wouldn't be selling it i wouldn't be commercializing it but if i if i had a one-off manufactured hobs for my kid or something like that is that wrong tell me guys oh man people are all over this yes i feel like if you made it yourself i feel like the vast majority of people would be cool with it i I feel like getting it manufactured by someone else

Starting point is 02:41:27 is going to result in a significant amount of people saying no. I think that's the line. People are saying I bet they exist on Etsy. I'd actually be surprised. Let's see. Oh. Yep. Definitely a thing.

Starting point is 02:41:45 XL stuffed tiger ugh yeah what is this oh what oh man these are terrible no wonder he didn't want anybody making them um alright well guess we won't bother with that.

Starting point is 02:42:06 I don't know. I was just curious. People are saying, I think if you made it yourself, it'd be much safer. I mean, I'm not actually worried about getting in any sort of legal trouble. The damages that could be claimed from me making one unit and keeping it for myself

Starting point is 02:42:19 are literally zero. I'm just, I wanted to just have a conversation here like where where's the line you know obviously you couldn't just commercially produce calvin and hobbes plushies without his express permission which is why his publisher is probably like this sucks oh i could have made so much money at calvin hobbs's peak man every kid would have wanted a tickle me hobbs or whatever for christmas or whatever it is but then you know maybe that's part of why it's had this kind of lasting appeal is it is it does only exist in the comics and it it's it wasn't cheapened in that way. It wasn't Star Wars. Commercialized. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:43:06 I mean, I'm so tired of Star Wars, but me too. If, if, if there was any other Calvin and Hobbes, I'd be all over it. Right?

Starting point is 02:43:14 Like always leave them wanting more. Right? First rule of show business. And we went to the new Star Wars ones at the beginning. Did we see all three of them? I don't remember. I don't remember. don't remember i don't know we definitely saw the last one of the new of the like uh sequel trilogy together yeah i don't think we saw the

Starting point is 02:43:31 first one together oh yeah i went with my family yeah but i'm pretty sure that was yeah like what a what i never even thought about this before what a sign of failure the first new star wars coming out for me my entire family who were all cheap like i am my entire family went out to the like deluxe theater that has the like really comfy chairs everyone even just like you could tell everyone even dressed up relatively nicely yeah like we were ready to experience star wars again and we never did that for any of the following releases yikes and i don't think anyone even talked about it i i've never even really thought about that since then but like i don't think it was ever brought up again as like even an idea um so so there was that garan ninja in floatplane chat says i have refused to watch episode nine

Starting point is 02:44:28 i value the price of a ticket more oof you don't even have to buy the popcorn and you still value the ticket price more yikes right. Anyways, after dark? Yeah, Dan, you want to hit me with some merch messages? Yeah, sure. We got quite a few today. Also, a bunch of potentials, if you guys want to go through those while I read these out to you. We'll start one with Luke, I guess. I was once in my life tight on money, and now I often feel guilty for buying expensive components despite being able to afford them. What's a tech product you bought that made you feel guilty?

Starting point is 02:45:12 Hmm. Not very many. Cause I feel like I think it out pretty thoroughly before I buy stuff. Even stuff like the Nia. I didn't feel guilty because I found it fascinating. And I actually had got a lot of use out of it, just like trying to figure out how exactly it worked and trying to figure out all its quirks and stuff like that. I find a lot of value in... Yeah, that one. I find a lot of value in... Wait, you know i was gonna say that you already looked it up no okay okay this is me this is me playing pong with my brain using the nia

Starting point is 02:45:55 the thing that luke just referred to the neural impulse actuator yeah you got pretty good that was that was like it actually took a lot of concentration to do that um it was funny too because i just have a powerful brain what can i say i i used to try to play cod with it um call of duty modern warfare the first one where i had released around the same time and i bound a few different inputs to the Nia and I got okay. I could have a positive KD, but I was like quite good at that game at the time. So that was not a lot. But I was not losing to other players while controlling firing and aim down sight with the Nia.

Starting point is 02:46:39 So I moved with the keyboard with my hand and I looked with the mouse and I would fire an ADS with my brain. But it was hilarious because like someone would come up to my desk to talk to me and I would like look at them and start talking. And my character is just like, aim, aim, aim, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. It's like, oh my God. But yeah, I don't know. I can't really think of any major. I'm sure some exist.

Starting point is 02:47:08 I can't really think of any major, I'm sure some exist. I can't really think of it though. Um, okay. Yeah. Most tech products that I've bought have not broken. I've had very good success with that. Um, I've used them pretty thoroughly. And even when they weren't necessarily that great, I usually predicted that that might be a possible outcome and was more interested in playing with it in its not necessarily perfect state because I thought that would be interesting. Hence, early versions of Oculus Rift headsets, stuff like that. But yeah, sorry. Got one here that might be interesting to both of you. Hi, LLD. I am doing some necessary work from home,

Starting point is 02:47:45 hourly employee, and track my own hours, and I'm a college student. I'm incredibly efficient. Do I track my actual time or roughly how long it would take others to do? hmm um your actual time because like you're not if you're paid piecework then you would track it by the project but if you're paid hourly then you're paid hourly right i mean it all kind of depends on what your employment contract is right um i mean if you're incredibly efficient, then I would suggest that a cool way to parlay that into more money would be to get a lot done and then ask for a promotion. And then if they don't give you a promotion, then I would take that incredible efficiency and take that to a competitor and interview there and talk about how incredibly efficient you are and how you probably deserve more compensation or a higher position than what you have now with that said if you're a student and you know something like and you're not ready to kind of start climbing the corporate ladder that may not be feasible for you but it would all just kind of depend on

Starting point is 02:48:59 what your employment agreement looks like idea and what your liability could look like if you're found to be fraudulently reporting your hours or whatever the case may be. I don't know, is there anything else to kind of add to that? That seemed pretty good. What other types of leather were you looking at? Why did you go with apple leather specifically? Also, excellent choice on interior color. Orange is great, but I love this blue teal color. More please. What made us decide on apple leather was just how good it was. We tried pineapple leather, mushroom leather,

Starting point is 02:49:35 a couple different types of apple leather, and we just felt that this was the closest to the real leather experience without actually making it out of real leather which has which is much higher in terms of cost and also um much more difficult to work with which affects cost so we just love the material that's what it comes down to and yeah i really like the teal too question Question mostly for Luke. What happened to the IA race? Went from new things every week

Starting point is 02:50:10 to mostly implementations of... AI. I guess so. AI race went from new things every week to mostly implementations of what is already there. We were vaguely talking about this earlier in the show, but costs are astronomically high. And also, i think we

Starting point is 02:50:25 just ran into the realities okay there's two things i guess one of them is just the realities of actually shipping an actual real product being really hard um and then also the hallucination problem is a big issue for shipping a product to a wider percentage of users i don't know if you remember but early on in the whole ai thing the amount of debates we'd have to get into with our own audience talking about how early versions of chat GPT couldn't access the internet because it would just convince them it was accessing the internet and they were so sure that it was actually happening. You'd see people on Reddit with massively uprooted threads being like, I tricked it to, uh, get it to allow me to ask, uh, to do searches with it through the

Starting point is 02:51:11 internet. No, it tricked you into thinking that it did that successfully. Um, so those hallucinations are an issue for wide market adoption. Um, and we've been, uh, not we as if i'm involved but the industry has been stuck on those things for this whole time shipping products is hard solving hallucinations is hard costs are very high that's it hi alinus and company i have just one question have you had any problems with the $1,000 JBOD cabinet? No. I mean, we're also not using it. If you're referring to the thing that I think you're referring to, which is that NetApp appliance that we picked up during the liquidation of that company that was switching to work from home.

Starting point is 02:52:04 We fired it up just to kind of show you guys what that kind of equipment looks like and you know, how it, how it works and talk about why some people use it, but it's worth far more like the, the value of it was in the drive sleds for those, for those J-Baud boxes rather than, and in like replacement power supplies and stuff rather than as an actual functioning unit because the power costs of running it were so high compared to the actual storage capacity and performance. I mean, you could have like a handful of SSDs these days

Starting point is 02:52:38 running in an Intel Atom box and it would probably perform better while consuming a tiny fraction of the amount of power. Like it made no sense to actually run the thing. But I know that at least one employee bought one of the drive shelves and took it home without me really knowing that we had made those kinds of deals and that we were getting rid of them you can have a pack if you want no no no no it's fine the density is pretty low for for our deployments these days i just i just didn't know and the only reason that i found out was because another employee

Starting point is 02:53:14 was sniffing around in the warehouse trying to steal one and was like hey where'd one of those go so you can share yeah yeah exactly uh and and hey and maybe if that nas software investment that i made ever pans out we can we can back up we can have backup targets to each other so we have geo replication it'll be great that'll be fun i know right i just wanted something to play with and it was the right price but i mean if you want to do stuff with it no for for real i don't care okay yeah um i just i love that logistics apparently just makes decisions about what stuff we're selling to staff now i better uh like ask people next time i want something because i assume that that's all

Starting point is 02:53:57 kosher i've poached them about it but uh i'm hoping to be able to snipe at some point in time some of those uh wood accented parts they're probably not the only one i know you gotta be nice to them or or be an ex-manager you gotta know how to talk to him luke okay that's not um how that's supposed to work but okay um anywho what were we talking about again? Oh, yeah, so I haven't done anything with it. For the record, that is a joke. Yeah, we have parts that we will probably use for stoves or staff will play with them.

Starting point is 02:54:35 I'm not sure. Stoves? Staff. Okay. Up next, would Linus consider oil to be sufficiently waterproof? No. I mean, no, actually, because a small amount of even a non-water-soluble material

Starting point is 02:54:56 or non-whatever, yeah, or you can use an emulsifying agent. No, nothing is waterproof is waterproof eventually water conquers all yeah hi dll recently nasa's osiris-rex mission came back from an asteroid with samples a lot of these asteroids have have a ton of precious minerals used in computers what are your thoughts on space mining oh it's totally gonna be a thing i think we're far from it being like an actual thing that is actually happening but it will totally be a thing eventually um we need things to be like significantly more reusable significantly more efficient but those things are trending upwards at a surprising rate um it's happening

Starting point is 02:55:44 and it's going to be a thing because yeah, some of those asteroids are very rich in minerals. I don't even know if it'll happen. Isn't there a giant one that's like made of gold or something? Platinum. There's like, yeah, there's a,

Starting point is 02:55:59 there's a lot of money flying around in space. I don't know if it's going to be like a common or reasonable thing even in my lifespan but it will definitely be a thing at some point i am 100 certain luke uh how do you feel about the upcoming extraction shooter vanguard from eve online developer ccp games interested in merch for a trip to norway as well interested in merch for a trip to norway what i think that's uh just he's excited for merch oh he's buying merch probably warm stuff because he's going to norway okay sorry cool yes i'm assuming i don't know um yeah i don't know i'm pretty excited um But to be completely honest, a lot of what I like about Tarkov is not the fact that it's an extraction shooter.

Starting point is 02:56:58 It's a lot of the intricacies of how the game works. That being said, I really like the eve universe my biggest problem with eve is just how dated the game is um i was really excited for the last fps that the uh eve developers worked on um but it ended up being like a playstation exclusive which was the weirdest and also worst move i think i've seen a company make regarding exclusives like potentially ever because their entire fan base of customers were pc gamers specifically and then they released a playstation only fps game which is just like what are you doing? Um, so if they can avoid that really, really, really weird, uh, decision this time, uh, maybe it would be good. I hope, I really hope, I don't know. I have done no research on

Starting point is 02:57:52 this. I hope it's like legitimately grounded in the Eve universe, just like the way the previous one was. So it interacts with the Eve online universe. I think that'd be super sick but honestly if it's not uh it's fine yeah yeah okay no it does oh see that's so cool to me members of the vanguard will fuel the war machine of new eden new eden is the the that's where eve is um in new ways adding corruption to the front lines delivering vital resources to the eve economy and completing contracts that turn the tide of battle serve the vanguard or serve those who seek an advantage in the raging wars of EVE online that's really cool I really like the idea that they've clearly had for a very long time of tying a on the ground FPS game and the strategy coordination of EVE Online together. That concept has been

Starting point is 02:58:48 fascinating and awesome to me since the original time that they announced it. They fubbed the first one. If this one hits, that would be great. And I will absolutely give it a shot in hopefully December 2023. Yeah. Hey, LD, I was wondering if there's any Mac address game linked and even float plane merch in the works specifically some color block hoodies. Thanks. We're probably not going to do more color block hoodies, but we do have a really interesting Mac address piece of merch that we've been working on.

Starting point is 02:59:17 You know, that iconic Steve jobs, black, not really a turtleneck sort of thing. I would, uh, I would would wear that that's pretty sick we've had a lot of trouble with the collar so it may be that um it takes a long time or it never sees the light of day or whatever else but it like has a seam down the middle and it's got like this kind of cool neck and it's long black sleeves that's something that we thought would be kind of cool for Mac address for the others I don't think we have anything planned at the moment though

Starting point is 02:59:55 hey DLL my dad mocked me for buying an LTT screwdriver but after assembling furniture with him he asked me to get him two what's your favorite purchase that someone told you was dumb i've probably got a lot of those i had a lot of i've had a ton my phone fell i tried to catch it but then i saw he was going for it too, and I didn't want to cause a collision, so I paused. Oh, I don't believe it. I just got a message from Nick Mike. I know, I'll believe it when I see it. Okay, you heard that, Nick.

Starting point is 03:00:35 Man, what were we even talking about? Get me in trouble, Dan. Oh, yeah, there was a ton of people in my life that told me the mineral oil computer was stupid. It was. For a lot of reasons. And you could argue that it was but not only did it 100 pay for itself many times over through uh scholarships and grants and stuff like that

Starting point is 03:00:55 but also it's how i made like all of my friends in university it's how i got this job it's like the reason for a ton of things it helps me learn way more about computers um it helps me learn tons of different things so i i i strongly disagree i mean it's still stupid i mean technically on paper it literally wasn't yeah but like you can say whatever you want what's my favorite purchase someone told me was dumb i mean people tell me i'm dumb all the time i wouldn't even say it's my favorite purchase though like i it's fun but it's out of the category of things that people said were dumb i think is how the question yeah but like i have all my life is full of things that people told me were dumb i mean that's super checks i bought a i bought a table probably the building i'm sure somebody said it i bought a tabletop game for

Starting point is 03:01:55 four thousand dollars it plays only one game i use it once a week i could i could literally spend like half my life in an arcade for like a year and not probably manage to spend that kind of money i could just play that game all day if i really wanted to um but i really wanted a super checks and i put it in the employee company purchase wasn't it yeah no that's why it lives here instead of at my house for the lounge yeah uh man i'm a favorite see man it's so easy to think of things people told me were stupid having a pool stupid everyone told me it was stupid um the gold xbox controller is stupid yeah the chat's getting into it now um first lab building yeah lots of people told me that was stupid it's definitely not my favorite thing i i don't know what's my what's my favorite thing i don't really i don't really i don't really

Starting point is 03:02:50 it would be your favorite out of the ones that were said to be stupid yeah but i'm just trying to think of like a favorite thing right now to be honest with you i i don't really know that my whole point is it literally does not have to be your favorite thing it's your favorite out of those i know which could mean it's something that you don't even like very much oh i mean i guess so uh okay yeah i'm gonna go with natipian lucky the dragon that was really that was stupid and i love it a lot that was really i actually love lucky yeah that was so stupid i i straight up thought it was a joke when you first did it and then it never left and i was like what yeah you know he's just like at the lab now i know yeah he just lives there yeah that's really weird yeah i'm not even like an msi fan i know

Starting point is 03:03:41 but look at him he's number one yeah yeah lucky the dragon all right sounds good i work as an internet technician in michigan and we do cable and fiber and max out at gig how does the internet work up in canada fiber dsl cable it seems like you guys have a lot faster maximum speed than where sorry michigan oh yeah well okay if you want to look up how the isps in your country scammed your entire country and i don't understand why people aren't more angry about it all the time um have a fun fun time going down that rabbit hole um tell us billions of dollars put into fiber networks that were never built because i just didn't feel like it yeah tell us has put a ton of investment into faster fiber to the home here over the last 10 years or so oh yeah up until then it was trash it was really bad it

Starting point is 03:04:35 was really bad here um it's honestly still pretty bad it's getting a lot better man my last experience with this is from years ago so saying it's still bad is not fair. But the last time I looked into it, it was still very bad with Shaw. They'll tell you you're getting fiber, but it's fiber to the node. Yeah. And then copper to the house, which is not fiber. Yeah. I mean, everything's fiber if you really want to be like that about it.

Starting point is 03:05:00 Yeah. Yeah, it's fiber somewhere. Yeah, at some point. I don't know. Yeah, no. telus does fiber to the home in our in our area in western canada and it's ripping fast it's reasonably attainable in terms of price very reliable um very reliable like kind of astonishingly reliable yeah to the point where like if my internet ever goes out i I assume it's my problem. Yeah, whereas that was the opposite years ago.

Starting point is 03:05:27 Yeah, internet goes out, you just instantly call them because you're like, well, they screwed something up and now it's yeah, not that way at all. Yeah. IDLL Vampire here. Wanted your thoughts on AR in enterprise. I mainly push it for virtualization and rapid prototyping by placing 3D models, but the main cell is hands-free screen a la Google Glass.

Starting point is 03:05:52 Man, I don't know. I think we're a ways away from that. But then I haven't seen the Apple Vision Pro yet. It's possible that Vision Pro is going to totally change my perspective on this, and I'm going to go, oh, wow, yeah, no, virtual displays is totally a thing, and let's go immediately. I'm looking forward to trying it, I guess is all I can really say about that. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:06:17 How's the wear and tear using the vegan leather on the Luxe backpack? Is Linus willing to show us the bottom of his prototype bag? Yeah. Looks pretty good to me. I mean, here. Yeah. I don't see any imperfections. I'm not a leather

Starting point is 03:06:41 person. Very few people are leather people get you guys the best possible look at it um i have been floored by the resiliency of this material now full disclosure i hang my backpack at home so i don't leave it on the floor at home but i do chuck it in my trunk every day and i do uh chuck it on the floor at work every day and this is the hanger that i hang this weight by every day and it's like perfect check out the hanger oh yeah yeah there's no like crease though yeah well i was i was doing this because i was like Perfect. Check out the hanger. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no like crease though.

Starting point is 03:07:26 Yeah, well I was doing this cause I was like, I'm expecting I'm gonna feel something but there's nothing. And it also, yeah, there's no noticeable. Yeah. Interesting. I'm so happy with this material. Hey LLD, love the content. Linus, how do you feel about Samsung selling the Fold's phone with known factory defaults,

Starting point is 03:07:47 defects, then refusing to repair them without people sending their phone in with no timeline? Well, if that's happening, that sucks. This is the first I'm hearing of it, though. Hi, LLD, I work at a small prototype machine shop that currently tracks everything on paper because we haven't found a software that allows different processes for each item any suggestions or leads Honestly you're you're treading into the territory of need to make your own yeah, that sucks I mean yeah, we're using Snipes rack it on paper

Starting point is 03:08:26 is this something you could just use like google sheets for i don't know i mean google sheets is pretty powerful and if it's able to be done on paper oh yeah anything you can do on paper you can do in excel to do in sheet yeah exactly right yeah i i knew you meant yeah um i feel i feel like i feel like i would try sheets i think outside of that you're going to get into the realm of needing to make it yourself but you can do quite a bit with sheets and and like dan just said if you're able to do it on paper it should translate pretty well. Yeah. Papers limitation works perfectly for anything like that. Yeah. Hey, LLD, heard you talk about YouTube mobile ad space changes. I noticed today that my mobile ads were plainly labeled sponsored.

Starting point is 03:09:20 As a creator, what are your thoughts on YouTube changing the phrasing? Hmm. as a creator what are your thoughts on youtube changing the phrasing hmm um mobile ads are very plain little sponsored that's a creator i mean yeah obvious labeling of sponsored content is good i i mean sure as a creator maybe i could make more if it was not clearly labeled but we have we have always striven strived um to to clearly disclose sponsored content and i am fully supportive of that um i find it hard holding the 40 ounce bottle in the car, not wide enough cup holders. I was wondering if you had any suggestions to perch or latch the bottle inside of holding it up in my lap. Instead of? Instead of holding it in my lap like a noob. This is for Luke.

Starting point is 03:10:17 I don't use the 40 ounce day to day. 40 ounce bottle. What to do with it in the car? No cup holders. Isn't this? No, that's our weight i think that's a 20 wait oh no oh sorry the 60 oh oh the 40 ounce the 40 ounce is the middle one i think uh no i have no oh shoot i curated this because i thought we were talking

Starting point is 03:10:35 about the 64 i totally spaced on it and we have a new like sleeve coming that has a thing that maybe you could hang off of something for the 40 no i have nothing um i had that's that's one of the reasons that i daily the 21 ounce or 22 or whatever this is um because it fits in my cup holders there are some 3d printable cup holder adapters i've seen online uh because i daily the 40 and it fits in nothing that's cool but i i most of the time if i'm driving i'm driving to work so i'll have my lunch bag and my 64 ounce water bottle. And I just put my lunch bag on the right side of my passenger seat. And I put the 64 ounce water bottle on the left side of my passenger seat.

Starting point is 03:11:14 And it never moves. It just sits right there because the lunch bag is there to keep it in spot. So it's never been a problem for me. I have no illusions of a 64 ounce fitting in a cup holder. That would actually be hilarious, but I'm pretty sure there's a 3d printer adapter for that. Someone will find a way. The nice thing about our bottles being popular is that you can search LTT

Starting point is 03:11:38 water bottle and like thingiverse or whatever the new ones are. And they'll pop up with lots of interesting stuff. I'm at of curated. You got some potentials and some incoming left? Yeah, I wanted to mention from one of the potentials. For Benjamin's, can you just forward this to the Creator Warehouse team? Benjamin asks,

Starting point is 03:11:56 is there a reason why the internal magnet polarity for the stubby is different compared to the full-size driver? The magnetic bit sticks to the full-size driver's internal magnet and is repelled by the stubbies, which doesn't prevent you from installing it, like the ones that came with them or whatever, I believe. But can you just find out if that was intentional

Starting point is 03:12:15 or if it's just random or what the dealio is with that? Please? Hey guys, supposed to be running a concert right now, but instead I'm shopping for some quality cable ties just picked up an old steam link from a pawn shop today what do you guys think of them oh steam link was so cool what a neat concept that i i just i was not sad enough when valve discontinued it for those of you who don't remember, the Steam Link is a little thin client that's intended to be a streaming box

Starting point is 03:12:48 that connects to your Steam gaming PC and allows you to play games from your PC anywhere else on the same local network. So you would hook it up to your TV and then either via Wi-Fi or ideally over Ethernet, you would stream games that your GPU encodes and you would play them on your tv with a controller that is um connected through the steam link um so cool such a an

Starting point is 03:13:13 inexpensive elegant solution um and honestly something that just hasn't really been replaced commodity android boxes are full of like malware and and danger and building a full pc for that is power inefficient and costly um i just they were ah man they were they were super cool and i kind of wish i still had mine sorry i was typing a message you got any more curated yeah we do luke if floatplane sank initially do you think you would still work at lmg uh i don't know if he would have let me um how do i say this nicely i love luke um i will say a lot of the things that we fought about back then ended up being right about. So get rekt. A lot of things I was also right about. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:14:07 Very good. Very good. Very good. Very good. I think that would have been like the goal. Both of us were fighting for that. Yeah. In our own ways that somehow we were lucky and hardworking enough to both succeed at.

Starting point is 03:14:23 Is that an okay way of putting it? Yeah. It was a rocky time, so it kind of would have depended on when it failed. And I think in a lot of ways, how. And I don't know if my role would have been the same or any of that kind of stuff. But I think we would have liked to try to find a way to make it work. I just don't know 100% if it would have been guaranteed. I got a response from Sebastian about the magnet polarity.

Starting point is 03:14:46 It's random. It's not controlled for. Got it. Okay, well, that's why. Thank you, Sebastian. Yeah, anything else here that you guys want to talk about? I'm trying to plow through incomings really quick. Yeah, how are there so many merch messages today?

Starting point is 03:15:12 This is a $600 backpack, you guys. I think it's the bread plushie. Oh, yeah. Well, okay, there's your problem. What the heck? You know, we make real serious products here have you have you seen the description of the bread yes i've seen the description when you have the site set to french no have you seen it oh yeah think about the translation of you know how it just says bread a million times

Starting point is 03:15:37 think about the translation it's so good that's the linus version of the site it just for people that don't understand it just says pain over pain pain pain pain okay yeah yeah yeah if you read it with an english accent it's pain it's just what linus feels it's just a whole a whole thing just pain pain pain pain pain oh man it's so funny all right we got one last one from anna m i provided mostly positive feedback about this bra with only one downside and your customer service gave me a ten dollar in-store credit i just want to say how comfortable this bra is for men shopping for sos um so an Anna picked up the Women's Scoop bralette.

Starting point is 03:16:27 And then the Women's Boy Short and a sticker pack. Alright, heck yeah. Love to see people back after a positive experience. That's great. Okay. Hey, good luck, Steven. Having a new kid is always stressful.

Starting point is 03:16:43 And awesome. And we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye.

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