The WAN Show - WAN:GO Is Gone Forever - WAN Show September 29, 2023

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

Check out SignalWire at: https://bit.ly/signalwirewan Make compliance easy with Kolide at: https://www.kolide.com/WAN Save time and automate your social media marketing! Check out Tailwind at https://lmg.gg/tailwind and get 50 free bonus Ghostwriter AI credits! Timestamps (Courtesy of NoKi1119) Note: Timing may be off due to sponsor change: 0:00 Chapters. 1:09 Intro. 1:33 Topic #1: CS:GO is no more, long lives CS 2. 2:48 History of CS, Source, Luke's experience. 9:36 Subtick, playing with Joe, volumetric smoke, recoil & shield. 16:00 Twitch & FP on CS recoil, Steam reviews, $40M in 40 minute. 22:06 Steam reviews, discussing CS 2 replacing CS:GO, a negative review. 32:50 BG3, Linus's BG3 review on Discord, BG3's tutorial, games reviews. 48:21 Yvonne's character choice, camera mod, game preference. 56:03 LTTStore's new desk pad. 57:06 Linus recalls a viewer's argument on using YT Superchats. 58:18 Creator's warehouse bread plushies ft. FP poll. 1:01:16 Merch Messages #1. 1:01:22 Would you wipe your controversies if you also wipe what you learnt from them?  1:03:44 Luke disagrees with FP Poll. 1:04:58 Any personal experience dealing with low temperature on tech? 1:07:23 New FP Poll for breads. 1:07:48 How many times has DLL said anything that caused chaos within LMG? 1:11:00 FP Poll result, bread is the meme. 1:12:09 Topic #2: Newegg's GPU trade in program. 1:12:34 Trade in prices, easy process & warranty. 1:20:49 Linus's price take, Luke on working with PayPal, LTT's AMD video, Linus on satire. 1:38:30 Sponsors. 1:42:13 Covering last WAN's supplement sponsorship. 1:45:30 Merch Messages #2. 1:45:36 How bad a monitor would you use for free before spending on one? 1:53:16 Has LTT ever used consultors or contractors? 2:00:56 How do you address technical debt in your projects? 2:06:00 Topic #3: Samsung's Neo G9 monitors cracking. 2:08:10 Luke on the low frequency of curved screens damage, Linus on per-region support. 2:12:08 Linus calls about if the Secret Shopper segment was shot, continues to leak. 2:22:16 Linus recalls Samsung's The Wall, purchases TCL's 115" MiniLED TV. 2:30:22 Linus's theory on why this is Chinese exclusive, LTT shot the Compensator. 2:35:30 Topic #4: Russian zero-day seller offers $20M to hack iOS & Android. 2:39:57 Topic #5: Reddit phases out gold & awards, now pays for karma. 2:42:08 Topic #6: Metaverse's 3D facial scan. 3:02:07 Topic #7: TheFloW teases a PS4/PS5 exploit. 3:03:39 Topic #8: Google will discontinue Podcast next year. 3:04:52 Topic #9: OpenAI's & Meta's new AI. 3:09:28 Topic #10: Getty's library generates images through an ethical database. 3:10:23 Topic #11: Google Search showcases ChatGPT-3's "eggs can be melted" response. 3:11:09 Topic #12: Military AI to sort U.S. intelligence. Cont. Topic #9: OpenAI's & Meta's new AI. 3:13:11 Meta's Ray-Band glasses article. 3:15:04 Luke shows Hotbunlover. 3:15:56 Merch Messages #3 ft. WAN Show After Dark. 3:16:58 How viable do you believe LTT's cleanest setup is? 3:19:48 Difficult challenge for tech that you've come to terms with? 3:20:41 Has Luke looked into aftermarket options for his car's infotainment system? 3:22:27 Has Linus's workload lowered after stepping down? ft. Tech shop sequel, Sea of Stars, cutscenes. 3:39:41 Did Yvonne's medical history  help her learn finance better? 3:40:16 Any noticeable LTTStore merch preference per region? 3:40:43 Do you see 12GB VRAM being enough for 2K Ultra settings in the future? 3:45:14 Is it true that Linus can leap over the chair from a standing position? 3:49:16 Arm wrestling on WAN Show? 3:50:18 Have you explored what it'd take to start an ISP? 3:50:52 What is Linus's favorite WAN Show snack? 3:51:22 Do you think you'll see AI reach full sentience in your lifetime? 3:52:32 Why does Luke stream his Starfield gameplay on Twitch and not on FP? 3:54:08 Outro. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Just like Valve, we have decided 10 years of WAN show is enough. It's time for WAN show 2. It's basically just like the old WAN show. But with better water effects. 2. Yeah, that's right. We'll be talking about the launch of, I almost called it CSGO 2. That would have been very unfortunate.

Also, Samsung has been experiencing a rash of monitors cracking. Just spontaneously cracking. We'll be talking about that. What else we got? What other news is cracking? My news is the most cracking. Two million dollar zero day bounty has been posted by a group in Russia. We'll talk about that.

And man, I really didn't want to sit here searching for topics, but I'm doing it anyways, because I didn't think you were going to die. Usually, you just take the main ones. I didn't think you were going to take CSGO. Yeah. Oh, it just screwed me up. You know what I actually do is I try to take whatever I think you would take. Those were the two I was going to take. So I'm going to get back at you and pick this week in AI, because there's been a lot of amazing updates that Linus is gonna be so excited to hear about it's so good. It's so interesting

yeah why don't we jump right into our headline topic today the launch of counter-strike 2 on wednesday valve released counter-strike 2 not as a dedicated game but as an update to cs go cs2 already has over a million players i believe they've gone well past a million concurrence but many have criticized the move to replace cs go rather than offer the game separately one notable effect of replacing cs go rather than launching as a new game is that counter-strike 2 has inherited all of csgo's reviews and ratings that means that it has an overall rating of 88 with 7.5 million reviews despite the fact that of the three about 3 500 reviews from launch day only 59 are positive the game is free to play but is also at the top of Steam's top sellers list, possibly indicating that Valve is already

making a ton of money through loot boxes, and players have likewise criticized the game's lack of features that were present on CSGO, like left-handed mode, many popular CSGO maps, and macOS support.

Have you played yet? I have. I assumed you would have. I'm going to insert some stuff before I go. I like checking this. I've brought it up on stream before. Well, can we give a high-level overview of the game first, and then can you do your whole thing that you do

with Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3 and now Counter-Strike 2? Yeah, it's going to be that again. So it's Counter-Strike, right? Yeah. We've been through, I mean, how many major iterations would you say there have been of Counter-Strike 2. Yeah, it's going to be that again. So it's Counter-Strike, right? Yeah. We've been through, I mean, how many major iterations would you say there have been of Counter-Strike? I think if you ask the hardcores,

you know, 1.something, 1.6 was obviously hugely important. Yeah. I don't think anyone really cared about Condition Zero. Source was sort of a mid-release. Yeah, I think it was the 1.x, Source, Go, and now 2. I think those would be the important steps.

So Condition 0 we're going to kind of ignore. I don't think anyone cares. Did anyone care about Source? Because from what I can recall, the esports scene was all CS 1.6. A lot of it still stayed back, but did care about source it wasn't an it wasn't condition zero two people played source for sure okay fine fair enough and then cs go has obviously been by far the biggest i mean the biggest step after one i think i think if you would take uh if you would take the size of gaming as it was in you know what what would that be the early 2000s when 1.6 was was

the ruler of the roost right relative to the size of gaming as a market it was probably as big or a bigger deal than csgo was towards the end of its life but given how much gaming as a whole has grown i think it's hard to argue that cs go is the biggest counter-strike i think that's fair yeah yeah i think that's fair so i would actually argue in in that realm then that go wasn't the biggest one i'd say it was 1.6 sure 1.6 like dominated gaming that's what i mean relative to the size of gaming 1.6 was 1.6 for sure sure 1.6 monstrous but in terms of just actual size right not relative to how big gaming is now uh i think it's i think it's pretty clear csgo is the biggest counter-strike ever so

what is counter-strike 2 well we get the Source 2 engine, which is, I mean, the first major update to... I mean, okay, it's been updated, but this is the first integer revision to Source since, man, Source launched with CS Source, did it not? I think so. Or was it Half-Life 2? What's the first game with the Source engine? Chat, you're going to have to help us out here.

Yeah. Unless we beat you to it. First game with Source Engine is... Oh, lordy, my Counter-Strike Source. Yes, it was. Back in 2004. Luke, it's been 19 years since the Source Engine launched. Oh, God.

That is amazing. So with it comes... Chat was saying half-life 2 with it comes a lot of more modern features right like one of the big things that valve talked about was way better volumetric effects for example but i've already seen criticism of those volumetric effects saying that they they are they alter gameplay in a way that is not pleasing to some of the players so interesting can you tell me about what immediately jumped out of the screen at you as better and what immediately jumped out as worse i'm sure chat's going to get in on this as well this might be because i haven't played for a very long time

but the hitboxes felt different for some reason i felt like i had a significantly easier time than i normally do when i'm playing counter-strike picking heads well you know they've locked in tick rate right so it's consistent whatever something like that i'm not sure what it was but i could like think in my head uh i'm just gonna like at one point in time when i started kind of sniffing this out, I decided to only play with a deagle. Because I was like, let's see how well this goes. And I was just ripping heads off.

Right. And I'm like, this isn't normal. Like, I am okay at Counter-Strike, but I'm not that great. Can I propose an alternate theory? CS2 just launched. A whole bunch of people who haven't played in a long time or haven't played at all are sitting there being flopping fish in the barrel for you. Maybe that's it.

Man, I'm good. Could be a little bit of that. But yeah, it was interesting. I felt like something was going on there. Maybe it was that. I don't know what it was. I didn't look into it at all. I don't care. But I noticed that that right away i personally love the smokes um i know smokes are a huge part of gameplay i know like the really good players

will know very specific like stand on this pixel throw it that pixel that lands on this exact spot to perfectly cover it's always been a really big part of highly competitive gameplay right um but i never cared because i wasn't playing highly competitive so you were just throwing a smoke grenade yeah whatever but now for the best now they're like fun and you can do weird tactics with it because you can throw a smoke and then throw an he like next to it and it'll blow off like part of it so you can see for a quick second but you knew where you threw that he high explosive whatever um so like you can be ready and aiming at the spot that you know is going to clear then it clears it and you can take out people through

the smoke like it's i find the tactics of that to be more interesting than oh every pro has just memorized 10 billion exact perfect locations to throw things to cover areas and it also adds some counterplay to the players that didn't throw the smokes because you can also throw a nade and then plan to push right when it clears and like it's just things like that is very interesting yeah conrad pointed out you can shoot the smoke and it creates a little hole that you can see through briefly yeah so you could have a like rifleman up front create a little zone for your opera to look through for a second and see if you can pick someone really quick there's a lot of what I find to be very interesting playmaking mechanics in the new stuff that might frustrate

extremely veteran players but in my opinion will make the game more fun, more active, and potentially more interesting to watch because of how dynamic it would be. So I'm interested to see how this will play out over time. Small correction, everyone was right. I only read the headline. The Source engine debuted in October 2004 with Half-Life 2 and Counter-Strike Source.

I thought it might have been. There you go. So yeah, I mean, so far, it feels good to me and it feels pretty fresh now i didn't look into anything i just wanted to play it for myself and see how i thought about it it's apparently called uh sub tick and some people are extremely stoked on how crisp it feels like you were yeah it felt great and uh the rest of the chat is a lot less stoked, and it's clearly a divisive issue. So what are the people saying,

the people that aren't stoked on it? Subtick is garbage. So what, yeah, what's bad about it? Yeah, we want to know what's garbage. I have to confess, I haven't played. I have started Baldur's Gate 3, but I haven't played Counter-Strike 2. I want to talk about that too, but yeah.

Conrad says Subtick feels awesome. I'm interested in, because I can't say that I'm a counter-strike with that too but um yeah conrad says subject feels awesome i'm interested in because like i i can't say that i'm a counter-strike player i i got um global elite but in wingman and with joe carrying me okay so i don't know how no offense but like yeah exactly i don't know what that means i could probably hit global elite with Joe carrying me. I'd just be like, I walk out of spawn, immediately dead. Okay, Joe, kill them. It would be great when like, because, wait, so Wingman is a 2v2

game, so it would be great when Joe would die, and I would kill both of them, and he's generally a very respectful person, but you hear the undertone of surprise in his voice good job yeah yeah exactly nice so funny he's a genuine guy though joe joe works customer service for float plane he is

genuinely the nicest guy like i've i've experienced the same thing yeah like i there was one time playing tarkov like you guys were knocked or something i managed to take out a guy and then like pick you guys up and he was just like no how tarkov works but yeah whatever something like that it was kind of like that yeah yeah um and and he was just like that was awesome like he's just genuinely happy yeah but he's also very surprised but you can yeah you can hear it you can hear it you know what's going on uh so yeah i got carried there for sure uh but like i've i've what i'm saying is i've played but we did that like years ago like i don't know whatever it doesn't knock her whatever you're bleeding out it doesn't matter the point is they were incapacitated we were out

of the fight i knew what he meant yeah it's fine just don't worry about it we weren't playing pub g yeah yeah exactly okay um jeez but uh but as someone who doesn't play counter-strike but has played quite a bit i have a few hundred hours yeah me too it's amazing how bad i am i liked it a lot it's the the sub ticker whatever it was felt great to me i i'm sure there's people who actively play that don't like it for whatever reason i don't know what they are but it felt great to me i really really like the smokes um no one's giving a good reason to not like it so far and poisons and floatplane chat says i actually like it too but i think people are mad that it's different and they spent so much time to learn the old one for nothing.

I gotta say, that's been one of my biggest problems with Counter-Strike. It's a game that I've always wanted to love, and I, like I said, have put a significant number of hours, and probably not hundreds, but I've put a significant number of hours into, and I have never managed to really crack it like i think you've played with me a couple of times i know my way around some of the most iconic maps and i kind of know where someone might be likely to pop their head out or whatever but beyond that i i don't find the memory the rote memorization of how to play this situation very interesting personally i prefer a more dynamic uh slower time to kill fps like a halo over something like a counter-strike and i do kind of wonder if this is going to change it for me a bit maybe i would actually prefer this because

one of the things that drives me most crazy or has driven me most crazy about Counter-Strike is I'd be sitting there at my good computer with my good internet connection, lining up someone's head in my crosshair, pulling the trigger, and it's like, no, dog. I feel like that person should be dead. When they're moving this way and you're moving that way,

you have to aim up and to the right of their head and then you have to draw a seven or like an upside down seven with your mouse and i realized that the recoil thing valve is never going to change that yeah i'm pretty sure that's still that is just always going to be an element of counter-strike no matter whether people like me who feel like that's stupid like memorizing a pattern so that you can just put every single bullet down the last hole that you shot and then everyone else it's just scattered all over the place that's actually not how guns work um you know you don't you're not you don't just like have more strength to hold a gun steady because you anyway the point is that's never going away and that's always going

to be a barrier to entry for people like me who just want to, you know, Quake-style line up the crosshair and bullet go, like, kind of where you were aiming it. But I do feel like, like you said, eliminating a little bit of that, okay, well, this is exactly the right pixel to stand on type of gameplay could be a good thing. It will still happen to a certain degree at high-level lobbies. And honestly, I don't think it's like a new game or anything it's still counter-strike i was the the map that i was playing

on was dust 2 just like it's been forever there's some changes compared to like old school dust 2 like you can't aim from t spawn all the way through uh ct doors anymore uh because there's that block there but you can just jump over the thing and then you can see it anyways um i don't know i don't think it's a fundamentally different game i just think of the things that they could do to make it interesting and fresh i really like what they did with smokes i don't remember what version of counter-strike it was that had like riot shields and other like weird stuff that was condition zero that was condition yeah that sucked um so it doesn't feel like that tell me how you really feel that's just dumb um what's it go no way luke hasn't played dust 2 since that update i have um i was just saying like it's i don't know

linus has um oh maybe i'm wrong about that people are saying it was 1.6 1.6 had riot shields i don't know yeah it shows you but i know i don't know i know i started playing pre 1.6 so maybe that's the case it was amazing watching the two different chats watching floatplane and twitch chat and their different reactions to me talking about recoil management and counter-strike float planes just like neutral or yeah that kind of makes sense twitch chats like get good memorizing shit excuse me memorizing is not being good that's memorizing that's not actually skill that's memorization i've never been a fan of the recoil pattern thing either um um no man it's like for from my point of view recoil is supposed to be recoil there's supposed to be an element of randomness to it people gamed that right like

that's that's that's that's to me fixing that is patching a glitch it's like in a high level rts if there's you know a a particular you know path that you can follow with one of your characters that makes it travel faster from your spawn so that you can rush the enemy's spawn like really really fast with a zergling or something and it's by by memorizing something you can go a little bit faster it's like yeah that should just be patched though like i don't really i'm sorry i don't agree i think there's some counterplay because uh being able to employ the expertise of following that pattern while also needing to move and being under the stress of being shot and stuff like that is the argument for for the skill um but then you could make a similar argument for burst fire or for you know uh squatting or going prone or whatever the case may be like

it's just that's the particular skill in counter-strike and it's not one that i find appealing um which is fair enough yeah i'm not i'm not a fan of it either i understand it yeah i'm not going to sit and practice something that is only applicable to one game um squatting crouching whatever they're the same thing it all it all just depends if there's an opponent under you squatting, crouching, whatever. They're the same thing. It all just depends if there's an opponent under you. Okay. What I will show is this thing that I like,

the most played top 100 games by current players. So Counter-Strike is currently sitting at over 700,000 and peaked today, today, which isn't the release date, at $1.3 million. That is freaking wild. That's huge. That's actually crazy. What was the actual release date? It was like Tuesday or something, wasn't it? Let's see.

Let's go to release date. I sent a screenshot to one of my buddies uh september 27th so where's my calendar it's friday yesterday so wednesday um i sent a screenshot to to someone i remember who but um i was like guess guess counter-strike released there's some achievement that you get for like opening the game and I clicked on uh Counter-Strike 2 whatever on my games list and it shows like all the people that have recently gotten achievements and it's just like like everyone on my steam list had this achievement for opening the game I was like wow did I just say CSGO 2 man that's gonna be really

annoying to get used to that's amazing by the way, Migor brought up a really good point in Floatplane Chat that validates my point. Predictable recoil patterns allow for macro cheating. Oh, yeah. I feel like that's pretty decently easy to detect, but yes. I'm sure it's been done, at least at some point. Yeah. One of the big points Flo floatplane chat just brought up is apparently cs2 made something like 40 million dollars in its first 40 minutes

it's amazing how much money you can make with a free game these days in it oh my god you freaking dummies. He said it! Not me! Not me! It's just so... It wasn't me! It's so annoying. I think you're the dumb one, Linus, for not exploiting these people and being evil. Can we hear him? I don't know if we should hear that. I don't know, Dan. I mean, we've talked about doing like a you know linus coin initial

coin offering we've we've talked about like like uh we've talked about doing a mobile game with like gotcha mechanics and stuff like that every every every time we talk about it we're like yeah we could do that and we could actually make way more money nfts were another example there were people internally who were like this nfts were another example there were people internally who were like this nft thing is huge from a business standpoint we should be doing this and every time we're like feels icky no we need to actually not i'm not so gross i'm actually not convinced that there is any reward for taking the high road at this point. There are major streamers with major contracts,

none of whose names I will mention right now, who make their entire living promoting gambling to children. And everyone's just chill with it. And everyone's totally cool with it. I don't understand. Yeah, it's weird to me. Oh, sorry. It's genuinely weird to me

we're still not gonna change guys we're not gonna change just frustrating it's just really frustrating yeah I don't know I had a good time I'm planning on playing this weekend we have the technical capabilities to do a coin or a vpn or like yeah god running a vpn is a license to print money as far as i can tell my god what if you had a vpn that you somehow generated nfts through i mean nfts are kind of dead at this point but i i get it i get it i get it i i know what you mean i just okay so hold on there was a i'm dragging us back i'm dragging us back do do it do it oh interesting one notable effect is uh of replacing csgo rather than launching a new games that counter-strike 2 has inherited all of CSGO's reviews and ratings. Oh, wait, I talked about that already.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But to show it, it says this means there's an overall rating of 88%. Yeah. Despite the fact that 3,450 reviews solely from launch day are 59% positive. I did read this paragraph. I know.

Okay. I know. He's going somewhere with this. That being said, the all time, I think that may have shifted since launch day is my point. Oh, yeah. Okay. Because the all review, I'm not certain on this, but the all reviews says 88% positive.

And the recent review says 80% positive. That is 150,000 reviews within the last 30 days, which is crazy. That is absolutely wild. I don't know how they figured out. I don't know how they figured out. Like, these are the things that came in just on launch day you know um valve knows how to game their own review system lmao yeah love it hilarious specific date range and casey or her j, yes, we know about deeper networks. We actually have some of their hardware in office. I wanted to cover it. And my concern in covering it is that we just don't know enough about exactly how it works today and more importantly in the future. And I don't think that any review that we could complete in a reasonable amount of time would, um, would, would shed enough light on any of that. So we made the, we ultimately made the decision not to cover it. It's possible what they're doing

is, you know, great and makes a ton of sense. Uh, but we are, we are, we are not planning to cover it at this time okay sorry i'm gonna bring us back for a sec i'm gonna show my screen please do i was able to open this tool which actually has a lot of features which i didn't realize how in-depth the review feature was on steam um but this right here september 27th that's the launch day i'm pretty sure um oh wow i didn't actually mean to highlight that i didn't realize you could be like i want to see all the reviews from just these days then it would load them down here that's pretty cool that is so cool um so i'm gonna do

that actually and if i grab just these showing 14 000 reviews that match filters above mixed 69 of the 14 146 user reviews are positive so recent is clearly longer than three days and it got 30 it's 30 days yeah there's 30 days um and it seems to have mostly gotten hammered actually the day after release on the 28th when people actually got a chance to play it yeah there was interesting there 11,500 and then 11,600 positive reviews. Or when they started brigading. Back to back. I feel like it might be that. The first day,

because the first day had 11,500 positive reviews and then it only had 2,000 negative. But the second day it got hammered and then the third day, it's kind of equal distribution to the second day. Just as many negatives as percentage wise because there isn't as many negatives as uh percentage wise because there isn't as many positives either i do want to say though that one criticism of cs2 that i agree with

is that it is you know what i'm going to say it is inexcusable that they simply overwrote csgo and i can totally understand why they did it and And it was totally for the money. If people could have continued to play CSGO in exactly the same way that it was left, with the meta the same, with all the items that existed the same, and all the new development happened in CS2, it would be way slower for people to take on the new one. And they wouldn't sell as much crap. And I think that that really is what this decision boils down to.

It boils down to that they don't want people playing CSGO, and they will go as far as to forcibly rip it out of gamers' hands so that they must play CS2. I think the thing that's getting me is I'm looking at a lot of these negative reviews uh and none of them mean anything uh negative review this ain't it chief negative review i can't recommend this game i really can't hold on hold on they can still play cs go i believe it's a beta it's like a

beta drop down or whatever right so there's a review from oh i didn't actually know that that makes sense though yeah it's kind of like what um what beat games does with beat saber you can play old versions that are moddable can you guys um can you guys double double check exactly how that happens but there that is for all intents and purposes, other than a small hardcore community, saying, nope, forget it. There's a review from today from a person who played for four hours total

who said the last time they played was November 12th, 2019. And they say, I really can recommend this game to not be recommended. There's another negative review that just says, CS2 bad, CS3 win. There's another negative review that just says cs2 bad cs3 win there's another negative review that just says horrible game people a lot of brigading yes hold on alan on floatplane chat has a really good point that could be said for any major update you're ripping the previous version out of people's hands and i i forget whether this was

in relation to cs2 or whether it was just an unrelated article, but I read a really good argument about that recently that did pretty much amount to that. Yeah, Steam, on the one hand, is amazing. It did for gaming what Netflix did for TV shows. It made it so that people are actually willing to pay for games, which helps developers make money, which helps the gaming industry be vibrant and grow like this overall steam is a positive thing it's it's it's it's drm but in a way that is mostly palatable but one of the things that it does that is both good and bad is force your games to be updated

all the time there are a lot of reasons why i might want to play an older version of a game whether it's that the older version um is less buggy or whether it's that the older version is more buggy maybe there's a particular you know speed run that i want to attempt or something like that and that's been patched out of the game or whatever else um this whole games as a service where they just slowly evolve i mean okay fortnite's a perfect example of this what is fortnite at some point wasn't it like a single player game uh yeah it was it was like a zombie defense and And then there's like these, these in game. I think it was a four player co-op zombie defense tower game. And then there's these in game like concerts and, and virtual events. And, you know, didn't they have one season where they like outright removed building

or something like that? I can't, I can't remember. I don't even know. For a period of time. Yeah. As someone who's not constantly playing it, I don't even know all the permutations of Fortnite, but what it is clearly, to me, is a way to keep you absolutely hooked all the time

so that you don't fall behind the meta. And I, as someone with kids and who runs business and who just kind of has other things going on, I mean, I think that's a, if I had to on i mean i think that's a if i had to guess i'd say that's a significant part of the perception that fortnite's for kids because who other than kids has time to keep up with that stuff some people do some people are really really into gaming and that's totally cool that's your thing i happen to be really into some other things and for me gaming is something that i jump into um oh apparently there's build and

no build game modes now that's cool i would prefer the no build i uh i was actually very interested in fortnite and had linked it to a bunch of my friends and was following its development before it became a battle royale and then when it became a battle royale i was like oh i don't care anymore but i was interested in this like hey there's a co-op like tower building base building defense game that sounds cool uh i found a review that i think is pretty good okay from king muffin luke lap here we go what was the point of releasing this a large amount of features and modes that were in cs go are just gone war games and most of its associated maps are removed all the local t's and c's are missing, even the ones they remade for Dust 2 and Nuke a while back. Danger Zone, the mode they added before they went free-to-play, is also just gone.

The loadout system is odd and a bit pointless. Why would I ever use a PP Bizon or a sawed-off over any other SMG or shotgun? It just made these guns you would buy on a whim utterly useless, since they now take a slot where an objectively better gun could have been. The M249 has now become even more redundant. Also, any previously downloaded matches are gone, so now you can no longer watch them. Isn't the game supposed to be a sequel slash update to CSGO? Why are there zero new maps or weapons? I'm sure in time they'll add back some of the missing things i complained about since uh the baggage is literally featured in a screenshot on the store page but for now it's seriously lacking and that i think hits the points better than most of these other comments

it's like the like when i'm looking at the game personally i don't really play so i'm not noticing these things that are missing the only thing I'm noticing as a cool update is smoke. Other than that, it's just Counter-Strike. Some people are taking issue with some of the points from that negative review. You can apparently play back your... It says demos, but I think what you mean is like previous matches. Yeah.

With the beta. I'm like, yeah, but that that's you shouldn't have to do that kind of a hassle like i think that a lot of the time our audience might forget or not realize that for an average user anything beyond the big green button that says play doesn't exist they people people won't google it um they won't even think to google it csgo is just cs2 now do i have all my skins oh thank god okay i am playing my game now um and so i can i can see it i can see it being frustrating for people but chris k in ph Philippine Chat said, CS2 overriding CSGO is to port over CSGO bans.

They had to do this because banned accounts items get locked and unsellable and untradeable for good, and the items all get ported over to CS2. That's a... If that's what they've officially said, that's a bad excuse. There are definitely ways to solve that can we just be thankful that even if valve um who you know still have their reputation as good guys in spite of the fact that

they they definitely uh they definitely microtransaction the crap out of things um is is not the only one succeeding right now larian studios dude giant middle finger microtransactions dude there are no microtransactions none and like it was uh i i exchanged i had a very very brief exchange with someone on their team um and basically what it amounted to was that he's they took a big risk doing a game the old way yeah and it's been very validating seeing gamers react to that and shovel like truck fulls of money at them for actually giving a shit and doing it properly and i i showed this earlier i'm going to jump back over this is the developer of baldur's Gate 3, guys.

Larian Studios. Yeah. They're selling a few. They're selling a handful here. Yeah, I mean, how long has it been out now? Probably two months? Yeah, it's been a couple months now. On Steam, Counter-Strike 2, Dota 2, Baldur's Gate 3.

People are playing the crap out of it. Cyberpunk has gotten crazy coverage recently for doing great things. Releasing this 2.0 update. People are jazzed on the new update amazing it's apparently stunningly great baldur's gate is still beating it both in current players right now and also peak today and i would also point out that the current players in peak today are very similarly high oh yeah so people are just turning on baldur's gate three and then just eating at their computer. Yeah. And running quickly to go pee pee and getting back to their computer. And I know a lot of people that are running like second, third, full campaigns at this point, whether with a different mix of people or even just by themselves and just doing different actions or playing with different characters in their party.

I love that it's co-op friendly. It's super co-op friendly. I started it with it with the wife yeah yeah uh it's been a challenge yeah uh i have some counterpoints i didn't want to actually talk about it because i wanted to talk i noticed that i you're like how's balder's gate three hold on this is this is actually this is worth looking at uh luke and i are chatting on discord i mean i'm gonna pull this up you're just gonna have to you're just gonna have to deal with this okay here we go um this is amazing okay so here's here's my phone okay this is thoughts on bg3 here's a wall of text i sent back to him thoughtfully crafted i thought we were having a conversation i don't think you should show the

next line his next message goes unrelated to your above post some other stuff there you go yeah yeah some other stuff are you kidding me okay what you said was too interesting so i was like i i can't i can't talk about this we have to wait until when no a good employee i think you should put it because it's good for when because you had a lot of i thought you were gonna be like it's good i didn't think you were gonna like write a novel so i think we should talk about it goes unrelated to your above post something he said and i'm like what you but you mean that but like not in balder's gate three and he's like i mean that's also true in balder's gate three sometimes i go any context and he's just like a different convo that was

going on I'm like the f**k are you talking about okay fine what do you want to talk about then why don't I read out what I said pretty much the whole thing yeah okay definitely some point by point definitely some quality of life things are annoying the camera controls are driving me nuts so I completely agree uh the camera controls were, I think, if I had to take a complete guess, I think they were just taken directly out of Divinity Original Sin 2. Well, they suck. They have the same kind of problems.

I don't know how far you are in, but there's this gate that you go through at some point. I'm not going to be too specific. Sure. Balders by any chance? No, actually. I'm talking about one before that. Wait, do you just mean like in the tutorial mission,

like very early? Cause you definitely go through a gate like very early on. There's one particular one I'm talking about. I don't want to get into it, but getting through it is so annoying. It was annoying. It was hard to click on it. Cause you just click on the arch above it

and you're trying to click on the ground past it. So that, I mean, that's like, well, okay. For us it's about two hours in, but I think it's probably about 20 minutes in for people who are not playing with Yvonne. It really depends. You could go a route that gets you there pretty late, but I think we're talking about the same gate. But it's like pretty annoying to get through.

So yeah, I think the camera controls could be a bit better, but they're fine. I hate the camera controls in pretty much any top but um honestly though they're fine i hate the camera controls in pretty much any top-down game that isn't supreme commander yeah um once you once you use what they call uh strategic zoom is what they called the camera controls in supreme commander once you use anything else once you use that everything else seems just designed to frustrate you um it's amazing with the scroll wheel you can go in an in pretty much an instant all the way out so that your entire screen is the entire area map uh with you know fog of war or unexplored areas covered as applicable. And then every playable anything, or every character, every unit,

is represented by an icon that just shows you what kind of unit it is and what tier level it is. And then you can go from there, you can just flick your wheel. So wherever your mouse is, you flick your wheel, and you can go all the way down to just that one individual unit, and everywhere in between with seamless pretty much infinite

granularity not infinite but definitely enough granularity that you can do and see anything you'd want to see you can also grab the camera and adjust it down if you you know want to just watch a battle take place or whatever it is it is a spectacular it's really good camera uh and so for for something like Baldur's Gate 3 I am constantly like what if I wanted to see more than a dozen steps in front of my character right now but what if I didn't want to yeah I wish i could zoom out and even if they're like uh part of the tactical nature of the game is you can't see that far or whatever just fog of war it or something yeah i don't but but let me zoom out yeah especially because a lot of the time

there is no fog of war excuse for it because i have a character over there i just don't happen to have that one selected right now so no i don't actually no i don't buy that at all like anno anno 1800 didn't have a far enough um zoom out at launch and the reason for it was just that it was a really demanding game and they had performance concerns so because that team has done an amazing job with that game by the way they've built so much content for it um huge labor expansion packs but not like the tactical view i don't think is exactly what he's asking microtransaction sort of crap um and so basically they listen to their players and they built a uh like a an extended zoom out and they're just like when you click it it just says hey this

may have a performance impact boom problem solved you can see so much more of the map and you can comfortably tactically manipulate things um i i yeah i find it i find it very frustrating do you know about the tactical view um no i haven't used the tactical view okay so that can help i still don't like it for things like getting through the gate that we were talking about sure um but it definitely can help for sure it gives you like a a more combat styled um top down vertical view that has more of a yeah that's still not far enough yeah not even close yeah that's what i was saying it can help but it doesn't solve i need to be able to i need to be able to see to oh that is bg i thought that was divinity first here at least like right now that's this is one movement and change that's

nothing yeah i wish i could see a little bit more yeah definitely uh okay keep going all right i want to invert the middle mouse button camera drag didn't see an option for that need to look into it more is there a way to do that yeah uh it's driving me absolutely crazy so hold middle mouse to move the camera around and I I want it the other way um I wouldn't maybe I'm maybe I'm there's probably a mod or something I was gonna say there are there I just looked it up there are currently 2200 mods for Baldur's Gate 3 on Nexus. So like I said, I hadn't looked into it at all. I bet you there's a camera zoom one.

I wouldn't be surprised. I said it was couples gaming night, so I didn't want to tinker with dumb stuff like that. Otherwise, I would spend all of couples gaming night tinkering with the interface of my game and us doing absolutely no gaming together. Yeah, Jean-Luc, he wants to invert that. He knows that that's how that works.

He wants to invert it. Yeah, I wanna invert the horizontal, the X axis movement. Lack of a tutorial is kind of stupid IMO. Apparently they have addressed this and it increases play time, but. Okay, I didn't know they had addressed this. I was gonna say, I actually, the tutorial thing is always really funky because i feel this way with starfield

and bg3 but there was an era i'm gonna guess but i have no idea five years ago where everyone was raging at games for having these like way too ridiculous tutorials i find in a lot of shooter games having any tutorial just annoys me yeah that's fair obviously control or see crouches obviously fire is left click obviously i do all these various things counterpoint not obvious to everyone i've played dragon age origins and that's it anytime i've tried to do a more hardcore dungeons and dragons game game, whether it's KOTOR or whether it was Neverwinter Nights 2. So what was confusing to you about the Dungeons and Dragons portion? Because...

Well, no, no, hold on, hold on. I'm not done yet, though. Okay. So I've played Dragon Age Origins, but I have never made it into like a hardcore D&D game. So there's a ton of stuff that wasn't intuitive to me, and I just didn't know. Like what what though?

So for example, I wasn't sure what the orange bar on the right side next to all your characters is. It's how much movement you have remaining on your turn, but I just had to infer that. And that was annoying because I was spending a bunch of my time figuring out stuff for myself while also answering questions for someone who

unlike me has never touched a role-playing game at all right and so if one of the features of this game is co-op i think that there's an expectation look at it takes two that game was clearly intentionally easy like it was it was beautiful um i have i have criticisms of it but it was beautiful and it managed uh frequent gameplay shifts that kept you engaged but it was really easy basically impossible to fail. And the reason for that is because it was clearly designed for the gamer and their SO. Same with Haven, for example. Another, yeah, you can play this as a couple type game. So if co-op is a major feature here, then I do think they have to consider that not everyone is a gamer and not everyone has played

Dungeons and Dragons. Like for, for Yvonne, um, I'm just trying to think it's been a few days now, but I'm just trying to think of some of the other things that she found kind of confusing. Um, one thing I would defend with that is they didn't think it would be anywhere near as successful as it was. That's fair. So they probably thought the target audience and the vast majority amount of people that were going to play this were both gamers and probably in a lot of cases, because I know a lot of Larian fans are D&D or other various tabletop RPG players. And something I was going to ask you earlier is how much Divinity Original Sin 2 did we play?

I don't think it was much. Not much. We played the tutorial. It has the same type of movement style mechanics where you have a certain amount of distance you can move per turn and stuff like that. Did you find that equally as confusing in that game? Well, no, it wasn't the movement that was confusing.

It was what that orange bar was. I just didn't know what the heck it was. It was just an unlabeled orange bar. It doesn't even have a tool tip if you mouse over it. Oh, really? Yeah, it's just there.abeled orange bar it doesn't even have a tooltip if you mouse over it oh really yeah it's just there and i'm okay there's so there's a lot of stuff that's just not labeled uh which right no is not that's not good um yeah hold on someone uh someone uh there was a there was a comment in the chat that i had wanted to address really quick there but i guess i

i guess i missed it um yeah i mean people are people are talking about tutorials like yeah you don't you don't have to play tutorials oh yeah no here we go lord duder i didn't know what 1d20 plus meant had to watch a tutorial um no yeah yvonne had no idea i think some optional like how dice work in this game it wasn't okay uh by default eavesdrops not enabled so we were independently are you sure yeah i'm sure i'm a 100 sure eavesdrop was not enabled by default which meant that both of us had cut scenes running and were not engaged with them at the same time also that annoyance that ploof brought up where your best character for a particular role is not necessarily the one that

participates in it apparently there's some way to solve that sure but when you're playing as in co-op whoever initiates a conversation can you not solve it doesn't seem like it so there was one where we tried to where there's like a dead mind flare or something or dying mind flare uh this is very early on so it's not a spoiler or anything if you haven't got to that point you haven't played the game yeah so there's a dying mind flare and i was the one who started the conversation and my character was not as good at whatever it is that we were trying to do so i tried to just disengage from the conversation but that's it once you've done it the tree is completed and when yvonne tried to do the thing it was not an option anymore um so it's there's there's definitely some frustrations um okay let's go on as someone who has had trouble getting into the more hardcore dnd

style games in the past this lack of instructions is particularly unhelpful my mage leveled up i chose magic missile and i couldn't find it anywhere in my toolbar that part i wasn't sure i don't know i can't find it um also just the fact that your toolbars are separated into what like actions whatever minor actions other more different actions and then tertiary like basically mostly useless actions and then if you click twice it's like all of them and then it's just those ones like it's a toggle but it's not really clear that it's toggled so yvonne was really confused by like what all these actions are and why some of them like get grayed out and

some of them don't um like spell slots and stuff like that yeah order order as well i don't think it's explained yeah like you can only do stuff in a certain order and some of it's a bonus action but if you do it without doing the bonus action then you don't get to do it um or it's all kind of like dnd rules right yeah um i had to hold her hand on things as simple as movement yeah um trips yeah that's that's what that's is she playing a spellcaster yes it is significantly harder well there you go it's much more complicated she just picked based on who she thought had the coolest backstory so and she picked a spellcaster yeah i i can't remember which one it is it's someone that looks like something gail white uh no no no it's the other one i guess

i don't know it doesn't matter um wait what did she pick the one that wendell picked the um the hunger or whatever i don't know it doesn't look very humanoid it's like a dragonborn but i don't think you know what that means sure maybe um i can't remember oh will ah that actually totally makes sense all right yeah um i i find character selection kind of annoying um i want to click on things without just moving all the time necessarily and like escape doesn't just give you a cursor i just want a cursor that i can just like click on things without just moving all the time necessarily and like escape doesn't just give you a cursor i just want a cursor that i can just like click on things with um so i was finding that kind of annoying character selection um oh you can just click them in the sidebar on the left or i could

just press escape and then click them what do you think of that there's an idea how about that like every other game that's ever existed. I like the sidebar thing. Cool, then that should be an option for you. Do both! Do both! Something as simple as unselecting my active characters is kind of annoying. It always just wants to move them. And I'm sure there's a better way to do all of this

stuff. Like it's just, remember this entire thing is based on that we've played not even the full tutorial section of the game yet so uh this is not a review this is this is not that at all uh blah blah blah more camera complaints i said the setup for the story is interesting enough that we played for a couple hours though the cinematics are super cool i think we will try again was my conclusion yeah so yeah we haven't played again yet because I've been extremely busy but F first of all hilarious. There's an ad for life's next of screwdriver. Oh

nice But he didn't see it at first because you can't see ads Actually, I was not aware of it. I was the way that you said. Oh nice I was not aware of it. The way that you said, oh, nice, I was like, yeah, he didn't see it at all. When you told me there's an ad for, I was, all I had seen was native camera tweaks thumbnail thing. I hadn't processed anything above that. Yeah. But yeah, native open source plugin providing several camera tweaks,ed camera pitch, zoom, and controller stick dead zone.

No server executables configurable. 300,000 downloads. Very nice. Luckily, I think a lot of the problems that you have with the game are like functions. Or like, I don't know if I want to say mechanics. But like, things that are solvable because I don't think your problems with the game are like the story or any of that kind of stuff so it might be worth looking into some modding if they do bother you um that much but I think I I've thought since it

released I think this is game of the year and the fact that it is just refusing to let go of it's like top three most played steam position is crazy for how long it's been out as a not like competitive online game. It's co-op. Sure. But other than that, it's not online. So you'd think people would like play it and then it's stopped it's also not even a super accessible game no which is i guess what i was trying to say it's not like as a non-gamer you can just jump right into this like i i mean okay

back to it takes two that was a co-op game that as a non-gamer you could pretty much jump into if you had a gamer friend or a gamer so this i mean yeah it wow and it's and it's demanding too it's not even just something that you know anyone can run on any ancient computer yeah it takes a bit to run you're asking for a lot of ducks to align for to to play this game at all yeah no i'm um it's it's, no, it's been pretty interesting so far. Yeah, I do want to play more of it. I will say, I already know that I prefer the more normie, like, I guess it's like the equivalent of playing a super arcade-y racing game versus playing a sim.

Like, I'd rather just play dragon age personally but i'm really gonna try this time really yeah yeah yeah i've uh i don't know it's a fantastic game. Unless City Skylines 2 comes out and I just get completely distracted. City Skylines? I never got into City Skylines. Yeah. Why do you think you're going to get into 2 if you never got into 1? That's why I was surprised by it. Because people are super jazzed on it.

I love Anno and I've been told I would love City Skylines and City Skylines 2 is coming. It seems like a good excuse to try it. And I'll probably like it more than this. Because it's city building, which I like more than fighting with obtuse controls. And I'll stick with my Baldur's Gate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, that's good. I have zero issue fighting with obtuse controls as an enjoyer of things like Star Citizen.

Doesn't bother me at all. That's a feature for you you it might be at this point i don't know uh another thing i'll point out uh steam reviews 300 000 overwhelmingly positive the all-time reviews are 95 positive the recent 96 it's improving people like it even more yeah because they've released some updates uh and the updates i believe have been fairly well received uh i know like i think one of them introduced a new bug but then they had a hot fix out like that so they fixed it like right away they've even released updates that fix things that people pointed out that they didn't like very much like narratively they like changed potential stories and stuff to make it better it's like whoa that's pretty cool wow interesting i i think there are there are an insane amount of potential

paths they could take with things like dlcs um and i think honestly if they didn't do content-based dlc that at this point crazy that would just be stupid they would actually be crazy not to do that right now they should absolutely release content dlcs for this game and honestly make it decently big and charge some money for it like yeah no i could i could easily see 39.99 easy for like, here's another land to explore. Another act. Because the game's in three acts or whatever. If you release a fourth act, like, holy.

I don't know. I would kill. But yeah, Larian's been awesome forever. I have a record from Divinity Original Sin 2 that's signed by a whole bunch of the developers. And I just, I've been a Larian enjoyer for a while now. And I'm just, I'm very happy with them with the success of Baldur's Gate. And it's wild to me that it's still so incredibly successful.

A Larian enthusiast. Yeah. Yeah. We should explain merch messages. Yeah. If you guys want to interact with the show, the way to do it is merch messages. We don't do Twitch bits or super chats or anything like that because the way we see

it, if you guys are throwing money at your screen, you should get something out of your screen in return. Like say for example, oh, one of these new Technicolor keys desk pads. This is a really cool design from the team. Yeah, it was Lloyd who worked on this one. Let me just have a quick look here. All right, you know what? Luke's gonna open it. Hey, good job, Luke. So all you got to do is go to lttstore.com and in the cart, you will see a little box. Whenever we're live, you can fill in a merch message. It might go to producer Dan. There he is.

Oh, sorry, Dan. There you go. Go ahead and wave. Sorry. Sorry, Dan. It slipped on the button. It's so bad. So it'll go to Producer Dan and it'll either show up down here or he'll type you up a little

reply or he will curate it for me and Luke to talk about later. I have this one really persistent. Do you remember that person who sent like two $50 Super Chats in the same WAN show or $100 Super Chats or something like that, insisting that we find a way to do Super Chats instead of merch messages because he actually dug up my email

and also emailed me his whole persuasive argument for why we should allow that because he doesn't want more stuff. He's at a point in his life where he doesn't want more stuff he's at a point in his life where he doesn't want more stuff he just wants to send us money and i was like gift cards yeah we have that you can just buy gift cards on ltt store and then you can not redeem them if you do happen to want stuff well then you have the gift cards already yeah or or if you're just if you just want to throw money at us we really do insist that we give something back for it so you could just buy gift cards and then dump the code in the chat for all i care and then

someone else could use it yeah that's an idea we just think people should get something for their money. Why is this controversial? Yeah, I like it. I think it's good. Dan is holding what appears to be a note. Are they not code-based or something? What is that? Happy Friday. Creator Warehouse received some loafly samples that we figured would be fun to debut on WAN.

Lloyd worked on these adorable bread plushies. Oh my God, it's bread. And we would like to gauge community interest for them. Oh my God, I haven't even, without even, I'm touching the bag on the other side. These are so soft. There are three different styles, each with two size options. Loaf. It feels like dough.

Have you felt these? Do you know about these? Feel this. It's very soft. Wow. Loaf, bun, and baguette. Wow. Maybe you guys could help us narrow it down to one size and style. I'm assuming that's baguette wow maybe you guys could help us narrow it down to one size and style i'm assuming

that's baguette uh i think that's loaf um bun i think so yeah see if you can find a longer skinnier smaller bun francais one and that would be ah baguette sorry sorry our french um smaller bun francophone um viewers oh my god there's so much bread uh yeah my ancestry is so happy right now tiny baguette yeah okay um

let us know what you think thanks sarah dinosaurs what the keychain oh my god uh okay well i'm losing it this is amazing i didn't know those were in there i don't know what's going on i don't know luke do you want to just do a community poll and we'll just make whatever one they all vote for there was a what did she mention as well uh they were considering doing another one that was a headrest and then calling it the bread rest that's not on here yeah bread rest i liked that idea i thought it was cool i need some bread what do you think from this

what do you think if if you had the bun one and then you made it so that you could put your headphones on it yeah i think you could just do that and it could be canned bread i can't stop them from getting canned bread oh stop that yeah that doesn't work very well not very well um okay well okay all right if you're not gonna do it i'll do the poll dang it luke oh yeah it's too big too big i can do the poll i already got it i'm doing i'm doing the no no we'll see who can do it first that's actually bad we shouldn't both do a poll because it'll actually put both of them up fine are you doing the poll i can all right fine you do the poll which bread dan do you want to hit me with a couple baked dan do you want to hit me with a couple merch messages in the meantime so it's small and big versions of each right yeah sure

and we're only making are we making both sizes of the same type no we are making one style in one size one style in one size yes weak i mean uh okay merch message uh let's see would you wipe away all of your past controversies if it also meant wiping away everything you've learned from them no of course not i mean that's that's always been our approach is that we are we're open we're transparent we are uh we take feedback we care um none of that has ever changed um also i mean i've been somewhat i don't know i, some of the past controversies I feel like are just sort of, uh, we've turned those L's into W's at this point. Now that people have seen what I meant by trust me, bro. Um, now that people have seen, you know, what our customer service looks like on the store,

um, there, there's been a, there's been a big shift. Like I've seen a lot of posts over the last months where people are just like, yeah, I get it now. Um, these guys are so far above and beyond in terms of taking care of the customer that I don't really understand why I ever questioned it. I'm like,

yeah, well, obviously, uh, yeah, that looks good. The, like the,

the, the disconnect, um, from people who were angry, right. Where on the one hand they were, they were so, they were so angry that we would dare to not, um, you know, honor people's warranty requests. And then on the other hand, they were, uh, they were so, they found it so unbelievable that we could be stupid enough to be a high profile creator and not take care of people and i'm sitting here going right so you actually do understand the dynamic at play here this is it's not even really an option for us we have to take care of people uh whether

we like to or not and we do like to so you know don't worry about it um yeah i just i don't know yeah i i it's more i don't think you can people are asking for a demonstration in order so i'm doing it it's more there i don't think you can really enjoy where you are without the journey that got you there you're gonna fight through some stuff yeah without all that context i don't think we'd appreciate our our our position here and um you know everything we have if we hadn't earned it i i certainly wouldn't um no i i wouldn't change a thing i disagree with the poll results what what why would you try to influence what do you like vote i'm just saying so the what's currently running is loaf big which is this one oh dang it i showed the dashboard again well you're welcome and this one might be the most aesthetically pleasing i will potentially agree but bun big i believe is just superior these guys they haven't like

felt them yeah and i think if they could like touch them they would get bun big bun big is like the more just experience this go on give it a give it a squoosh just oh but no like do do that and like like like play with it for a second oh my god and then and then experience this and then vote that is significantly squooshier but I don't get a vote bun big objectively better that is not the conclusion that is what was

just said that is not a summary of what I said quote it put on a news article you guys are hilarious you know that right all right you'll just have to make both okay next message greetings from finland as a fellow northerner i frequently get frustrated by lower temperature limits on tech like phones and electric cars any personal experiences dealing with the big freeze yeah i mean of course

um not with my car so much i uh i would say on the volt it was more of an issue for me in the winter like the taikan has more than enough range for me day to day so it doesn't it just really doesn't matter i have a charger at home. I have a charger at work and I never go anywhere. So to and from work, or maybe I drive to badminton or something like that. I never come even close to running out of range, even in the winter. But on the Volt, my on battery range was like 60% of what it is in the summer. So yeah, I would sometimes end up burning gas when I, in the summer,

wouldn't have to just with my daily commute um but i mean i'd say the more obnoxious one is with my phone like on a particularly cold day the last thing you want is to be you know outside calling an uber or looking up a bus schedule or something like that and your phone's like thermal thermal shut off or like you have like you know eight percent battery left and it's just like nope the voltage dropped too low even though like the the the the the the juices are still in there um yeah no it's it's it's pretty frustrating but that's one of the things that we're hoping that our more extensive testing in the lab once we've got everything ramped up

which is still gonna take a lot of time once we've got everything ramped up which is still gonna take a lot of time once we've got everything ramped up once we've got everything ramped up that's the kind of thing we're hoping to address like yeah who who has great battery life right but who has great battery life when it's so chilly we're in a great position to be able to answer that it's just going to take some time. It's an interesting question because like my girlfriend can make it to work in the summer just fine on just battery, but can't when it's really cold. Knowing that before she bought the car might have been interesting. I don't know if it would have changed the decision, but it would have been interesting.

I don't think so either because I tried to change that decision. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus plenty time. But I told you to get a Volt. She likes her car. It's done well. Good. Yeah.

I'm glad. Yep. Oh my goodness. New poll of the top three winners to clarify results. Yeah. Clearly nobody wants the small ones. Yeah. Should I just do that? Should I do another

poll with the big ones? Sure, fine. Sometimes we don't like that. Alright, do you want to hit me with another merch message, Dan? Oh, you want one more? Sure. Let's see. Yay, Wansho2! over the years of Wanshow how many times has Linus or probably not but possibly Luke or Dan

said something that caused chaos within LMG chaos within LMG within it was the Kalama Fong definitely chaos I think I win that one but chaos within lmg i would say whenever whenever i cause chaos without lmg it does cause some chaos within lmg

but there are also a lot of situations where that chaos outside does not translate to chaos inside because everyone knows that it's fine or whatever um i i don't i don't know you guys will have to tell me is there is there anything i just in general people definitely don't like hearing about things on wanshow when they are sort of internal matters uh but we're doing better at that um everyone internally got the ltx cancellation announcement four days before we announced it on wanshow so and we we have an internal thing that's like any announcements that did it on wanshow so and we we have an internal thing that's like any announcements that did happen on wanshow get mentioned in the uh monday morning meeting email so you don't have to watch it like have to watch it which helps a bit as well

uh chaos though have i ever caused chaos no i, I think you kind of hit it right at the beginning when you were like, when external chaos is created, that also creates internal chaos. Like, I think they're the same often. Yeah, I mean, most of what I talk about on- Merch leaks. Tynan says merch leaks. Oh.

I mean, that's not really chaos. That's inconvenience for Tnan poor tynan yeah that's like it's uh it's it's a it's a it's a very big storm in a very you know contained tea cup the tynan tea cup that's my nickname for him his name's tynan's he's tea cup really no not at all i was like completely made that up on the spot That's not a thing even a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Other people are agreeing with Tynan. Yeah, but- Because I think that teacup might be the entire- Sebastian's from his department. Yeah, but it might be the whole building. Yeah, he's also just might have his bros back though.

Maybe he hasn't experienced any of the aforementioned chaos. Who knows? Yeah, and Sebastian should be team sebastian with me oh yeah yeah come on sebastian yeah be a sebastian bro here oh god elijah's in here too why do people who work people who work here don't you guys get enough of me i wouldn't watch you gotta watch i'm glad i don't have to watch the land show I wouldn't watch the WAN show. You gotta watch the WAN show. I'm glad I don't have to watch the WAN show. Dude, back in the day.

I've got so many other things to be looking at than you guys. We've talked about this before, but back in the day, we would take turns and we'd do the WAN show. Then we would have to watch the whole thing and do timestamps for it. It was horrible. It was the worst. And then you don't want to watch it so your brain's gonna wander and then you have to go back and watch that section again it was so bad off topic talking about bread again yeah i i probably influenced the vote too much which is one of the reasons

why i wasn't sure if we should even do it again because people definitely voted bun bun is the most comfortable and nice to like touch and play with you heard it here he's an ass man bye too oh dang it i showed this again whatever uh so like yeah that's i'll say that um yeah people are like but loaf is the meme. Loaf is the meme. You did get that wrong, Luke. No, that's okay. That's not necessarily true.

Well, no, actually, yeah, bread is the meme. Yeah. Yeah, no. Bread is the meme. That's not quite right. Some of the logos that have to do with the meme are baguettes. Yeah. Like, I believe the float plane and LTT logos are made out of baguettes.

All right. Well, Luke, you win. You win. It's bun. It's big bun which is he's clearly into he likes big buns and he can't a lot worse especially when they're like very stop talking we should actually move on now to a different topic um new egg just announced a trade-in program for gpus i have no idea if it's any good all i did was link it to the wenshow

team and say new egg trade-in program gpus i curious so i'm gonna read this now for the first time new eggs trade-in program for used graphics cards soft launched earlier this month um but not officially announced. I think now officially announced is what they meant. How it works. Newegg first estimates the trade-in value of a user's graphics card. The lowest estimation is $30

for a 4GB Radeon RX 5500 XT, and the highest is $561 for an RTX 3090 Ti. Now, I'm not an expert on buying used things. JK, I'm pretty good at it. But those do not seem like very good prices. This feels like EB Games scamming. Yeah, yeah, it is, basically.

So if you want to be lazy as heck, you can just get hosed on the value of your item. Hold on a second. Let's just... Okay. So used 3090 TIs are worth more like... Okay, here's one that went for

$800. This is as is. Ignore this one. That... What? for $800. This is as is. Ignore this one. That. What? Brand new. What is this? Those are skazams, I think. Yeah.

Used? Okay. You didn't even list the gigs right, though. Come on. Come on, brother. So somewhere in the, this is an auction. Okay, somewhere in, I think, the okay somewhere and i think the 750 to a thousand range there are there are ones that go okay really wow okay well these are clearly not worth so weird

to me quite as much as i thought in some cases but but let's go ahead and back to, back to my notes here. They are all worth more than $561 by a lot. Now, I don't think it's fair to necessarily see a low trade in price and say scam. There is a value to the service they're providing and they are doing actual work. They have to validate these cards. They have to are doing actual work they have to validate these cards they have to create this program they have to pay the people who administer it however the prices that you just brought up it's actually a lot better than i spent however it's very clear to me that if you wanted to try your hand at the used market you would be able to get more money for your card it's just that as luke already alluded to not everybody is comfortable with that and not everyone wants to do

the work i mean privately selling your vehicle is something that is objectively a way to get way more money for it because it's math right if the dealer is going to sell it for more than what they pay you which they will then you if you could just find that person could sell it for more it's just a matter of whether you want to deal with people flaking you on facebook marketplace and doing a bunch of paperwork and sorry i keep thinking you're done uh shelby in floatplane chat said six months ago, they sold their 3090 TI, which was broken for $700. Yeah, but that was six months ago. That was a very, very different market.

I did ask them how long ago it was. Yeah. Yeah. All right. After the user buys a new GPU, so you also, this is another sort of drawback to the program depending on how you see it you do have to buy a new gpu from new egg it's a trade-in they don't just buy

your old hardware a new egg will send a prepaid label to return your old card to them in the next 14 days once the card is inspected and is found to match the conditions that you reported, the value of the card is refunded from the original payment. Cards older than the NVIDIA RTX 20 series or the AMD RX 5000 series, which were launched in 2018 and 2019 respectively, are not eligible for trade-in. Can you believe that RTX 20 series launched in 2018. We have gotten in that time, in that five years, we have gotten two refreshes. That's actually pretty wild. Wild. Users could likely get a better return.

Oh yeah, okay. Users could likely get a better return selling their used graphics card elsewhere, but Newegg appears to be framing the program as a convenient, low hassle way to sell old GPUs rather than as a way to get the best possible price and honestly i was i was expecting to see like 1100 1200 bucks for a lot of the cards that we saw um the pricing that they're offering is better than i expected let's have a look at what a gpu

is worth to new egg uh according to new egg they will be refurbishing, then selling the used cards with a 30-day warranty. So they do intend to make a profit here. Honestly, I don't know why this took this long. I couldn't figure out, like, knowing that hardware was definitely worth monies when I was at NCIX, I couldn't figure out why we didn't just play in the used hardware space. I can tell you right now, they are making more on these than they're making selling brand new GPUs. There's so much more money in used hardware. Um, so let's hear, let's, let's, let's have a, let's have a quick looky boo. Some of these seem pretty out to lunch. Um, that 3090 TI for $561 is in my opinion, not even the most egregious. Yeah, it's not that bad. It might be the farthest off in terms of total dollars.

Total dollars. But this RTX 2060 6GB for $90, there is no way that percentage-wise that is not way far off. Okay, what's a 2060? And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Using your own arguments,

they still have to do the same amount of work to refurbish it and inspect it and all that kind of stuff. Holy crap, 2060s are not worth anything. Okay, hold on, hold on. Some of these are going for more, but like 70 bucks? What? Wow. Man, I'd take the new egg deal. Are you kidding me?

Yeah. What was it? Did I say did i say 90 i'm sorry i have about the short-term memory of a flea yeah 90 90 okay so that's not bad looking at this honestly actually not that bad i was ready to dunk on this super hard it's really so was i it's not that bad like if you get top dollar for your card like you know here did but there's a bunch on here that are going for a hundred even 110 it also matters a lot if you've got some like oes like looking card like this or if you have like rog yeah and it doesn't look like new egg differentiates delineate yeah well and i understand why because from a performance standpoint, it doesn't matter. It would also just be really annoying.

Newegg knows it doesn't matter. Oh, that $70 one was parts only. Oh, was it? Okay, hold on, hold on. Let me keep poking at it. Still, there were quite a few that were quite inexpensive. Here, where's...

Oh, no, they're mostly over $100. Parts only, the Dell one. Okay, yep, you're right know they're mostly over 100 bucks parts only the dull one okay yep you're right they're mostly over 100 bucks but there are some that are 90 from new egg so if the over 100 bucks is like 110 120 135 a ton of people are gonna skip the needing to do anything for 20 or 30 bucks especially if you factor in what your time is worth i think it's pretty safe to say that if you have never done it before if you have to actually set up an account and like learn a buy sell trade site or something like that i think it's pretty safe to say fees as well there are ways to get around that well yeah but as a buyer you shouldn't get around the ebay fees because that's where

your buyer protection comes from yeah is is paying through the platform yeah because you could like isn't craigslist free yeah facebook marketplace is also facebook marketplace there's no fees there but you will pay in the time that you will spend just like around messaging random people who flake you or don't show up when they say they will and stuff like that like i'm not going to pretend that the process of buying and selling stuff online is perfect if i could get 120 for my card or i could just get a guaranteed 90 bucks through new egg it's pretty likely i'm gonna get the guarantee there's no way you would you don't think so you know yeah maybe not i don't know yeah no luke right now right now i will give

you 120 dollars hey but you have to you have to sell that water bottle on facebook marketplace or i'll give you 90 and you don't bother yeah i'd sell the water of course you would yeah this is no there's no quite you were speaking nonsense before that was actual nonsense okay but i think a lot of people would do that i called you so hard and you got wrecked. This is the face of a man who was recently wrecked. So relaxed about it. You know, when you get caught out, sometimes you just got to accept it. It is what it is.

I do think a lot of people would do that though Yeah I was more I was more peeved about it When I thought that the prices were really far off But they seem to be a little less far off Than I thought I'm not logged into Facebook on this computer So I'm not able to compare to Facebook Marketplace right now Is it generally cheaper?

Oh I totally am logged into Facebook on this computer. I must have had to do this before. Okay, cool. Which one should I search first? Should I do the 2060? Do the, yeah. Okay, let's do the 2060. Okay, this is in Canadian dollars.

So I'm going to have to do a quick calculatrice here. Dan Good 122 says, I work for PayPalpal please don't try to avoid the fee i see so many scans where people ask for personal payments and then screw people over i do agree with that i'm going to take this moment though to say like holy crap working with paypal is horrible um and if there's anyone if there's anyone there if you can get me in contact with someone who could actually somehow incite some change over there, I would love to have a conversation with them. PayPal is literally the worst vendor that we have to work with in regards to financial stuff. It's actually a nightmare. There's also extremely major security problems with your dashboard in regards

to how multi-users um are able to work within it that dan had to deal with recently where like you could make it so that a user couldn't do certain things and that user could just go in and turn it back on uh and lots of other extreme very extreme problems so you want to tell us how you really feel let me know we'd love to talk about it prices on prices on canadian failbook are anywhere from around 140 to 150 plus dollars depending on the grade of card that it is there's some very optimistic people here that's 250 canadian dollars that ain't happening oh you were you were adjusting for usd already that ain't happening with this dell oem card um but one of the issues with facebook is that unlike ebay which is an imperfect system to be clear but unlike ebay you can't actually see what things

sold for so there could be negotiation that's going on and you have no way of checking what a completed listing went for. And it's hard to tell exactly how close that is to what you would actually pay for it. Like a lot of the times, Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, if you're just like, hey, I am around the corner right now. Here is literally a picture of the money in my hand it's a little bit less than what you asked for but i will be there in 10 minutes yeah it's amazing when people don't need to waste their time how open they are to selling things for a little bit less than what they wanted which is exactly what new egg is going for yeah uh overall i i think this kind of sounds like a seems cool to me at least as an option it sounds like an okay it's

i think you should check like every time yes um but it's a decent option i think if you have a uh like low end version it's almost always going to be a lot more worth it if you have some blinged out version yeah you should probably try some like water cooled card or something like man water cooled last gen cards are hard to get rid of. It's for that reason that in a lot of cases, I would actually recommend buying an air-cooled card and water-blocking it yourself compared to buying a water-blocked card because...

If you think about the user that's going to buy it. You will pay the water-block premium for the pre-water-cooled one, but you won't get an air cooler to put back on the card when it's time to sell it and nobody who's building a system that has 600 worth of pumps and blocks and fittings and tubing is buying a last gen card why would they do that if they have money for water cooling crap they have money for a current

card so it's just it's a very uh very challenging situation meanwhile i just bought five last gen water cooled cards so unless you find a me then you're in trouble i just i wanted to go evga for the land center oh yeah ek had a bunch of their old 3080 blocks on clearance because that's what happens. And I found a bunch of EVGA XC3 3080s. So our land center is all EVGA all the time. And by the way, those cards are f***ing rock solid. Oh yeah. I ran a 12 hour fur mark last night because.

Are you, are you mad? Can we talk about cards being rock solid? I ran a 12-hour firm arc last night because... Are you mad? Can we talk about cards being rock solid? Are you mad? Can we talk about cards being rock solid? And heart touching? Sorry, where are we going with this? No, we released our AMD video.

Yeah. And I'm annoyed. Oh, why? Because I sent you a message about this. I got Linest. You got lined i i i got linus i have no idea what you're talking about it sucks people people watched the first bit of me talking and then just left the video as far as i can tell oh okay so it's nothing i did wrong no no no no no no no okay i was like no no i reviewed this video i thought it was a really good video no i thought it was great yeah it's good video um the amount

of people that are just spamming the hell out of me that uh i've got a solution to this one of the problems that you had even when they're trying to be helpful people yeah good people yeah trying to be nice yeah i feel like i'm doing the trump thing the the best people good people uh no no like it's it's a lot of it is like people genuinely trying to be very helpful and positive and stuff but like oh my god i'm getting rocked with people talking about there's also people like trying to condemn me for testing it in an unacceptable environment and I'm like it's fine now there there are there aren't any problems I'm crashing in Starfield very rarely and no other game or other scenario ever is crashing or having any issues what do you want so for context if you haven't watched the video at all luke opens his section

talking about driver instability system crashes performance issues stuttering and then goes on to explain that his setup is a little bit unconventional with a pci express riser a secondary power supply plugged into the card with his primary power supply powering the CPU and drives and everything else. And so people are latching onto that going, user error, user error, user error. You're doing something wrong. But the thing that people got to understand is that if they were to finish watching the video, then they would hear Luke talk about how now with driver updates from amd that exact

same system with that exact same pcie riser and also with an external power supply and everything the same as it was before is rock solid rock solid and there's there's people in chat talking about it right now there's a bunch of nvidia people crashing and start stars start field it just crashes it's not i don't think this is amd's fault i can't say that it never happened because it did technically so i'm trying to be like honest yeah but i don't think it's the card's fault it's just a game that crashes i think that basically what we all need to try to internalize is that amd is not going to suck your yeah i'm putting that away i feel like i'm a target right now uh uh but yeah it's it's really good now and one but one bit of context i guess with the way that i said things and framed

things and i do have to admit this is that was even filmed a few weeks ago at this point yeah yeah and it's probably better by now but i have even more context we can only talk about what happens and that's the thing you guys got to understand is we're not on a team we're not on team intel team amd team video we don't give a at the end of the day you know the point of these switched videos is that we tried it and we talked about our experience okay okay okay uh nw gat in full plane chat said makes no sense to blame amd for game engine bugs though i didn't i literally in the video i say i don't know I think we got someone who didn't watch the video yeah I say in the video that like I don't know how to like say this or frame this but these

don't feel like GPU issues I say that in the video yeah because I also can't say I was there when he said definitively that it is the game engine no we don't know as I can't say definitively that it's not the GPU. But what we know is that it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, if someone's coming from a console, for example, and their expectation is that things just work, I mean, to the extent that they even do just work on consoles these days, but anyway, if their expectation is that it just works,

then it didn't just work. And we have no way of controlling who someone's going to blame so whenever an issue does come up our reason for flagging it is hey bethesda amd y'all gotta get together figure out whose fault this is point all your blame fingers that you need to point and iron this out because at the end of because it's going to ruin the experience for the user and they're going to refund the game or they're going to refund the card and you have no way of controlling which one they're going to refund so you guys got to work together you got to get it sorted out that's that's all we're saying yeah yeah so like i it should be a bigger props i think almost like we've we've given them

their licks over uh the launch experience being bad was really bad but i also want to give them very good prompts that it is currently or props sorry that is currently in a very good spot and i feel like the the reason why i'm frustrated is i think that got brushed over because people are still thinking that i have issues i don't have issues it's a great experience currently luke if i had a dollar for every time this is why i said i got linus i said something in a video and then people stopped watching and completely took away the wrong point yeah i'll probably be about where i am today happens a lot but i'm doing all right

wow what a flex oh man but yeah that's why i afraid yeah anyways i don't know um i gotta i gotta wait till he's drinking i'm gonna get him one of these days i just i can't i can't i can't control put it down earlier is i could i wasn't even looking at him but i could i could just i could tell he was hungry for it so like dan almost got me when i was about to take a drink then he's like no this is mine and i was like i gotta bail out i can't control it it's like an imp it's like an impulse for me that and i feel like this bites me in the butt a lot because I have this type of humor

where I will go for the driest, straightest possible delivery of the most offensive thing I can possibly say in that moment. Not offensive, but the most outlandish thing that I can possibly say in that moment. And whether it's people watching a video and tuning out right after I said that, or whether it's even in-person interactions sometimes where people think I am legit for reals serious when I will say this kind of stuff. I feel like I get bitten by that a lot. Pretty often. It's the easiest thing to to

pull out of context then make well yvonne's given me well it's it's it's the classic i'm not saying hitler was right you know almost got him how do you put up with this man i don't understand but he's all right that got me yeah i i don't know i i i i feel like i do open myself up to it a lot whether it's self-deprecating humor or whether it's just you know that i will that i will say something ridiculous just to see Yvonne has this face she makes when I say just the most completely offensive, just like sexist.

I think I know. Yeah, I'm sure you do because I will especially pull it in like group settings and it drives her absolutely nuts. Man, I forget what it was., man, I forget, I forget what it, what, oh man, I did an exec meeting recently. She was not happy about that. I think it was two weeks ago in the staff meeting. I forget exactly what I said, but basically, and I've told her, I've told her a hundred times. The only reason I say these things is so you'll make that look, make that face. And she's just like, it's involuntary.

I can't help it. I'm just like, I can't even, I can't even do it. It's amazing. I'm going to try and get it on camera sometime. And then I'll bring it on Wednesday. I'll show you guys. This is, this is the look I'm trying to get Yvonne to make. And it's not because I believe any of what I'm saying.

It's just because it's really, really funny. You just got to be careful about the, the, the attendees at'm saying. No. It's just because it's really, really funny. You just got to be careful about the attendees at the moment. Yeah. Oh, I know. I know. Right. Well, that's the thing is, no, I. Because it has to be people that know that you are, you believe often the opposite of

the thing that you're saying. So I have, I have it. That's basically like, trust me, bro. So I have, I have it. That's basically like, trust me, bro. In a nutshell is I, I make this assumption that nobody could possibly believe that I, that I am like that perception that this thing I'm saying would,

would actually be a straight face portrayal of my character, but people actually do. And what I'm trying to do a lot of the time is I'm trying to say something that is just ridiculous and what i've what i've what i'm realizing more and more is yes satire is dead right like you can't satire on the internet it's just really hard for both parties because there are people that will say that stuff with a straight face well that's what i mean and there is there is is there what's the term for that i'm looking it up i'm trying to oh all right sorry but yeah it's it's like you

it's like you you can't truth is is stranger than fiction it's like what the south park writers said they were like yeah we're not even going to try to we're not even going to try to parody politics anymore we're are well not parody but we're not even going to try and write satire about politics anymore because the the truth everything's so outlandish that's poe's law poe's law what is poe's law all right and who's poe i don't know but he has a law edgar allen by any chance no is an adage of internet culture saying that without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views. The law is frequently exploited by individuals who share

genuine extremist views and when faced with overwhelming criticism, deflect by insisting they were merely being satirical. That is true've seen that we've also walked in i had a conversation with uh someone about this recently where there's something that you and i have actually said a bunch that i had no idea was like a dog whistle for this thing that neither of us oh was it was it like this or something no okay because i found out this is like white power or something. I'm like, no, it just means okay. Especially if you're someone who dives, which both of us do. Yeah.

That is literally exactly what you're supposed to do. Especially means okay. Yeah, because if you do thumbs up when you're diving, it means I need to ascend now. Yeah. It's good for lighting as well, because you're often like a thousand feet away. And going like this is like you can't really see anything but if you get your hand open you know yeah it's good the light is good there yeah we are not white supremacists yeah i can say that yeah exactly

oh man but yeah sometimes it's like oh my god like okay i don't know every single cultural reference in like the world i'm not trying to dog whistle this thing that i didn't even know was a thing like yeah oh man it's sometimes it's it's difficult to navigate i don't know especially being in canada i feel like we end up just kind of like isolated from this stuff sheltered from a lot of those things. Yeah. Just have absolutely no idea. Yeah. Anyways, tech topics, sponsors. Thanks to SignalWire for sponsoring this week's show.

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supplement sponsorships um or i i said how we don't take supplement sponsorships um or i i said that we hadn't i can't remember exactly what i said the point is that we had never done it in the past because i wasn't really comfortable with the kinds of brands that we had had reach out in the past um i don't know a ton about what i was specifically referring to was like um i don't know what's that store called there's there's a local store that just like has all the all the like weight gain powders and like all the like random natural health products i don't everyone knows the name i don't know the name because i don't go there uh anyway the point is... GNC?

Yeah, yeah, I think... No, no, GNC is the, like, more legit one. There's, like, there's one that has, like... I think you're right. Like a roided-out guy in their marketing materials and stuff. Anyway, the point is it doesn't matter. Popeyes? No, not that one. I know who Popeye is.

Roided-out. It takes spinach. No, Popeyes is a supplement store. I know. Okay. I just mean it's not that one. I know Popeye's. I thought they sold sandwiches.

I wouldn't call Popeye a roided out guy. Okay, it doesn't matter. The point is, oh, apparently GNC doesn't sell legit stuff. Okay, so that's my whole point, actually. I don't know. Is that I don't know a ton about this stuff, but some members of our community. So I said, look, we don't work with these guys because there's a ton of money in supplements i was talking specifically about snake oil crap supplements some members of the community have expressed confusion about our sponsorship then with

athletic greens given my stance on working with supplements and other ingestible products to be clear when i talked about ingestible products, I was talking about our own products. We've worked with lots of ingestible sponsors, Savage Jerky and Madrinas come to mind. G Fuel we worked with a couple of times, and I actually was not super comfortable with the product, and we don't not work with them, but we don't really work with them. It's in it's in

no man's land some people love the product as far as i can tell nobody has ever um died from g fuel so like you know there's that um but we just it's kind of it's in it's in nowhere land um so when i talked about ingestible products i meant our own products we haven't created a breakfast cereal I had talked a lot about how I had concerns about Beast Burger for example being a bit of a nightmare for Mr. Beast and a liability issue so you know that's that's that but

we know we have worked with ingestibles we just haven't worked with supplement brands and the reason is that I just don't know a ton about it and I was not in a position to validate it. And it's not something that I use. So I wasn't really comfortable with it. Athletic Greens, on the other hand, we have team members that have used products similar

and have used their products. And based on our experience with them and our current knowledge of their product, we are open to doing business with them. Again, supplements are not actually on our do not work with list on the linus tech tips.com forum and they won't be it's going to be very case by case and we are going to approach with caution it's pretty much all i have to say about that for now all right you're ready yeah hit me uh this one's for luke you've spoken about having thrifted your way into monitors for your pc before how bad a monitor would you use for free before spending money on a better one yourself oh i mean i have pretty good monitors now um yeah luke traded himself to monitors pretty

early on in the lmg days he bought himself a couple pro arts that was actually my first it was after like one of the first paychecks i got from lmg was two new pro arts um i like having good monitors um i see monitors as kind of um not an investment because you'll certainly never get any money back for them but it is it's a long-term literally huge amount of use purchase the part of your computer that you will interact with the most yeah hands down more than your mouse more than your keyboard more than like anything those two pro arts one of them was uh broken not due to its own fault but due to i don't blame them it was an emergency situation but it got whacked pretty hard and then now won't turn on um so one of them is now dead. But no, actually. But the other one is still working.

Yeah, yeah. It's been a decade. And it's still, it's not a great monitor by today's standards. Yeah, but it's functional. But it's solid. It's a great side monitor. Yep. So that's what it does.

And like I was, I think on average, monitors are the piece that, back when I bought all my stuff that I spent the most on yeah I bought a really expensive CPU once the Athlon 64 4400 plus that was probably the most expensive single component I bought it was like 800 Canadian dollars back when the dollar was a lot closer to parity and that was in like 2004 or something when dollars were you know more or whatever inflation um but i also picked up a used uh dell 2405 fpw way back around that time treated myself to a view sonic p95 f plus uh that was a sick monitor at the time and with both of those my intention was that these will last multiple cpu gpu cycles because a good monitor is something that should last you a very long time i went from there to a 305t so that was a samsung 30 inch and then i think that's probably the last monitor that i bought so on average those

were all probably around like 800 canadian dollars to be clear i got deals on the second two the p95f plus i bought like at ncix or whatever but then the 2405 i bought used and then the um the 305t man that was a good deal it was it was a return from a customer those were like 1500 or something like that and it like was scratched and we couldn't return it to the supplier but it wasn't scratched on the screen and then like the rma department tested it and they were like yeah i don't think this thing works and i was like i'm pretty sure i can get it to work i didn't think there was anything wrong with it and so i was like i'll make you an offer and i got it for like 900 bucks or something like

that and it like totally worked it was perfect flawless I don't know what anyone was even talking about my my girlfriend um is currently running a triple monitor setup um she's studying for some stuff and whatnot so she she actually fully utilizes the triple monitor screen real estate and she's using an old view sonic that I won in one of the like old Christmas parties a while ago um and one of the other ones i don't remember where one of her monitors is from but she's got the old view sonic one that i don't remember where it's from and then another one which is mine that i bought when i was like 15 or something and that thing still works that monitor that she's using has been at every single residence that i have ever lived at luke is there any reason not to have a secondary monitor no this is so this is what i was talking

about you can get old like 1080p screens for like 20 bucks that that one that i'm talking about that i bought when i was like 15 bought it off of whatever i think it was craigslist at the time whatever used thing at the time for i think it was ten dollars yeah like and it still works and it's still deployed it turns on every day like that thing's a beast it's an old lg monitor from a while ago uh it still has the resolution is high enough that it's usable for a secondary monitor or whatever anything 1680 by 1050 and over is very usable yeah yeah and it's just like sweet yeah we both run triple monitor setups and like if i was if i was back in school or whatever right now, looking at those prices we just saw on screen, I would have a triple monitor set up.

Because why not? Because the floor for used monitor prices is so much lower than the floor for a new monitor with all the logistics involved in, you know, mining new materials and creating it and shipping it across oceans and all that crap that's associated with it. There's only so low something can go.

It's why hard drives don't get any cheaper than what they are now. They actually can't. The motors and the magnets, they don't get cheaper. But used hard drives, not that I would necessarily recommend using those, used hard drives are worth nothing. $10. Oh, man. People actually are pretty optimistic about what their hard drives are worth.

Never mind. Hard drives are worth more than I thought. What? Last time I looked into used SSD prices, it was literally more expensive to buy used ones um i don't know what's up with it i don't know what's up with the used market and storage sometimes yeah it's it's much more worthless to me well you know what it is is uh people who build budget systems and then sell them for you know 100 bucks or whatever they need hard drives they need just anything that can hold an os yeah yeah yeah you're also not sorting right someone

said i don't know whatever um what was i gonna say someone said something oh no i don't know what you say is objectively true someone said something that is certainly oh yeah yeah yeah no it's like if you're if you're if you're like into gaming and you want a good gaming monitor or whatever so you spend a bunch of your budget there I still think you can get to a two or even three monitor set up you don't have to do it immediately

and just keep looking out for deals and grab some monitors don't have to match grab some yeah none of my I have three different monitors my girlfriend three different monitors. My girlfriend, three different monitors. It's cool when they match. When I had those two Pro Arts, I had two matching monitors and it was awesome. Yeah. But it hasn't

made a lot of sense since then to get matching monitors. So whatever. Yeah. Do you want to talk about speaking of monitors, Samsung Odyssey Neo G9s cracking yeah i was just talking about how they last for a long time and all this kind of stuff oh yeah we only did one word oh what was even the question that was a very good segue though

linus what was even the question i tried i tried to do so i tried to do so good uh do you remember it uh what would cause me to buy a monitor oh yeah uh well yeah i don't know hopefully that sort of answer sure where where am i uh okay here's another you're in unit 101 okay you're in cloverdale oh maybe it's the dale of clovers uh that's one of all of our computers are named weird. Hey, DLO, first merch purchase from a rare Apple podcast listener. I've been considering moving my side hustle to full time. I do a variety of consulting. Has LTT ever used consultants or contractors? Of course.

Contractors, yeah. Every time we hire a lawyer, we are hiring a consultant slash contractor and it happens more often than you'd think it's amazing how many little stupid things you have to pay someone 400 an hour because they're the only people who know about that and to be clear i i fully support people being paid for their expertise it's more than just time it's you're you are paying for the time that they spent becoming a subject matter expert totally totally get it um that doesn't mean that i don't notice when we write the check though so you'd be amazed it happens a lot um what are some other examples of contractors and and consultants a decent amount of the developers for Flowplane are contractors.

Yeah, James hired someone to come and do improv classes on site at some point to kind of help the writers understand hosting better and the kind of energy you need for spontaneous content. We have people come in to do work around the offices all the time install the ac stuff like that yeah our i don't think that's really what they're referencing but if you guys have ever watched the office tour back when we were at the langley house and noticed how filthy that place was we have cleaners now they're contractors yep yeah we have a company that comes in and just you know gives it the old dust-a-roonie and vacuum-a-roonie. Because the theory was that we could just do that once in a while and people would mostly keep the workspace clean. Yeah, they won't. So we just, they come in, I think every week now. They didn't used to have to. It was every two weeks for a long time and as we've grown and you just have all these people and people are

gross and they drag in all their dirt on their shoes and they shed all their skin cells and their hair and it's just you got like in this building how many people work in this building fewer now yeah because we're distributed a little bit more but still probably like a solid 30 to 40 or something like that and then the lab has like, man, where is everybody? Yeah. Hold on a second. We have like 120 total people, including contractors.

Yeah. So a solid amount of them are remote, but yeah. How many of them are, how many of them are, how I don't know how many work in these buildings. Creator warehouse is like dense stuffed D E N S S. I gave a tour recently to Sam

and I was walking through just going like, whoa. It's Taron's problem. Yeah. I want nothing to do with it. If he decides, you know, hey, Linus and Yvonne, you guys need to buy something because the extensive renovations we need are justify it or if he's like well that'll take some time not right now but you know if we need to save up or something

but if he's like okay we need to lease something i'm just like okay taron whatever whatever you gotta do but yeah whatever you say is right i still think you should do the cult thing there'd be a lot of us makers of merch yeah tynan's talking about it but it's it's actually wild in there they like it's logically laid out yeah but like i don't think they can hire all that many more people where are you gonna put them there's a couple spots maybe there's maybe make it work there's six over with um kyle's team I mean, Tynan's the one watching. So Tynan's team is- Which is like 25% of the building. Yep, yep.

And then over in design. So we've got... Oh, oh goodness. Customer care too. Hold on. I was already up to 13 there and I hadn't even counted well man i think wow and then fashion is like six now or something like that okay so that's where a

lot of them are because i was trying to i was trying to i was trying to come up with a number for this building i was like it's got to be like 30 to 40 but it's like no no actually hold on a second because that creator house is definitely the 25 30 people out of all the buildings work there and to be clear you know the engineers aren't always packed in there and the fashion and design teams are not well the design doesn't get to get out there's not free range design i guess they don't get to get out much but give them like a yard free this this this shirt was free range designed. No one at this company touches grass. Yeah, we should fix that.

Ethically sourced clothing. I think... From Lions Tech Tips. If we don't... If we don't do a hand on grass shirt free range design like if that's not in Sarah's inbox in the next 30 seconds here we've clearly done something wrong oh my goodness I'm on it oh man was this was that were the buns ethically designed, Linus?

Did those designers have adequate grass time? I don't know. Oh, man. It's certainly grown a long time since we put that building together. Because when we originally did the plans, that building together because when we originally did the plans we had kyle and tynan and another one and then nice real real nice yeah i think jacob i think the the like apartment area was just not really used and then they worked out of the downstairs right yeah they were downstairs in the kind of garage area and the upstairs was kind of the communal lunchroom and storage and then they worked out of the downstairs, right? Yeah, they were downstairs in the kind of garage area and the upstairs was kind of the

communal lunchroom and storage. And then we had a design team, which was maybe three or five people, totally. We'll get the other one fixed soon, don't worry. And then, yeah, the fashion team was like four people as well it was empty yeah not anymore no so we're gonna have to buy like a another suite of buildings is your phone just busted i'm trying to send this email that my gmail does not want me to have this shirt doesn't yeah no this is ridiculous okay

close compose okay can i if is it even in my draft did this even save free range design shirt oh crap wait did this send well you're doing that uh this this merch message came from someone who said they were a rare apple podcast listener is that rare that made me think of uh google is killing another thing yeah you did a really good segue but we actually still have to do one more merch message no i know but i don't think this is a topic is it it is oh never mind you just got talk about it later just got talk blocked I don't know if your mic is open for other people. You just hear Dan sigh. Do you want another merch message?

Yeah, sure. Send it. I don't see. I can't even remember which one I was going to read now. Okay, let's see. Hey there, DLL. As a software developer who has worked in both smaller startups

and enterprise environments, how do you address technical debt in your projects? How do you prioritize it? While Linus tries to figure out how to make us more money. How to send an email. Boomer moment here.

I don't want to die. Technical debt. You're essentially always going to have it. So you kind of have to triage to a certain degree. You can't just only ever do that. Yeah, Jaden, we don't like to talk about that subject. Yeah, that's honestly pretty fair. Yeah, you can't ignore it forever that got us into a bad spot we used to we used to do what i try that we used to do what i used to refer to as linus led development uh and that was very bad that was extremely bad that dug us into a hole that we're kind of still clawing out of let's be fair to linus for a moment here um the lights are on everyone is

still gainfully employed yeah i would just i would just like to acknowledge acknowledge the positive points of linus led development now you can go ahead and proceed to crap all over it jay jay says a floatplane chat lld led to a lot of tech debt yeah linus led development it was that was a problem eventually i just ended up just saying no to everything all the time and then we delivered no new features for like a year yeah and then i know i didn't say it's a problem because why are you so defensive right now because look how defensive he is my life life so during line of sight development we dug ourselves really really deep so it took a really really long time to dig ourselves back out and even now we're not completely out but we're in a way healthier spot than we were in before and now we're at a spot where we can kind of spend we can spend a little bit of time working on features. And then, okay, tech debt is an always growing thing.

And we just spent some time working on features when we already had a lot of tech debt. So like going into the next quarter, Jaden and I have already been talking about it. A lot of Jaden's work is going to be working on paying down tech debt. But he's going to do it in kind of a cool way where like, for example, there's a certain to be, uh, tech debt removed, but he's also going to deploy a new design at the same time and like do a couple other things. So it still feels like the website is getting, uh, is becoming more fresh and being worked on, even though we're paying down tech debt at the same time. So you kind of try to, yeah, I don't know how to really answer this, but you can't completely ignore it, but you also can't spend a hundred percent of your time working on it

Yes, you fight it kind of have to like okay. We need to give people a feature else. They're gonna be pissed off So let's do that really quick that has bought us some time that has bought us some users are satisfied time Let's use this users are satisfied time to pay down some tech debt and then try to slot in another new thing that they'll be happy about to pay down some tech debt and then try to slot in another new thing that they'll be happy about before they get too disgruntled and then you just kind of try to keep doing that ch5609 says i want to line this lead development t-shirt it's just a garbage fire now that's not fair floatplane.com was not a garbage fire you couldn't tell what it was You couldn't tell what it was And it had no smell at all pixels were very clean

It was it was a chaotic time cuz he'd be like hey What about this crazy feature and I'd be like sure let's do that and then like a week later He'd be like so where is it? Verified actual gamer program hey that that was actually that was awesome that was post linus led development was that oh okay yeah yeah maybe i can't remember when it started and ended yeah it was definitely something i asked for and it was super cool and the team like crushed it on that i've been crapping on them so now to throw throw them a bone at the very end of it. I will say it's kind of my fault. I'm the leader of the team.

That's not what I was expecting. I should have staved off. But I like it. I should have staved off the Linus-led development more. But I was just like, I don't know. Hold on. He's my boss. You were the leader of the team, right?

Okay. So then, sorry, who was leading the development exactly? Which L? This L right here. Boom. L. Yeah, pretty much. So yeah, tell tell your if you're in that spot just tell your boss no more often and then if you get fired i'm sorry career advice because like if you if you do if you just listen and just try to get your team to do that you're

gonna screw them over because you're gonna end up digging your team into tech debt and then ultimately like yeah you were trying to listen to your boss but you were doing the wrong thing so i i had to at some point i had to take the reins a bit um and i don't know it's been getting better all right let's talk about odyssey neo g9's cracking It's been getting better. All right. Let's talk about Odyssey Neo G9's cracking. There's been an emerging pattern of Odyssey Neo G9 owners reporting their 49-inch 5K ultrawide monitors spontaneously cracking down the middle between a day and 11 months after purchase.

While user error is a possibility, the descriptions of the failures were remarkably similar. Several independent sources claim they were playing a game, not touching the screen, only to hear a loud pop and for a large crack to appear in the center of the screen accompanied by a large black vertical band. Other users claimed to have turned off the monitor and left, only to return after hearing a loud pop in the other room and returning to find their monitor broken.

Some users with fully functional monitors also claimed to have heard odd popping noises in the moments or hours after turning off their monitor, which they suggest might be a sign of heat stress. While a few users reported that Samsung promptly honored their warranty, many others reported that Samsung has refused to address the damage while honored their warranty. Many others reported that Samsung has refused to address the damage while still under warranty. One user claimed they spent over 20 hours on the phone and opened six different tickets

only for customer support to cancel each one for specious reasons. That's not a word I normally use, so I'm not super familiar with it, but hopefully it was used correctly. Spurious? Is that what we were looking for? I don't know. Another said that Samsung claimed that it was physical damage and not under warranty based on the photos without actually examining the device. It's superficially plausible, but actually wrong.

Oh, cool. I like it. Good word. Wonderful. Wonderful. Okay. It is possible that a user's region is affecting their support status, but this is really hard to verify as we don't know most of the affected users' locations. However, the only users who both disclosed their location and received support were located in the U.S. The only users who both disclosed their location and did not receive support were located outside of the U.S. A Canadian user who contacted us managed to get a response from Samsung support, but he is, at the time of writing, waiting for the support team to review and get back to him.

We've contacted Samsung asking for an explanation, but we haven't had a clear answer so far. Samsung opened pre-orders for the 8K 57- version of the odyssey neo g9 last week at 2500 i feel like we might have dodged a bullet here because we actually were going to do a sponsored video with samsung for the neo g9 the new one um and maybe it's uh better we didn't you know i'm surprised we haven't seen this more often with these crazy ultra wides that's a good point actually because like this is pretty much the only one i know of i don't really follow ultra wides much so there might be more but like literally the whole time i've been like you know the the physics of this there's a lot of I mean well part of it is that

the panel technology is not okay it's not just I haven't reached for my phone I don't have a fold it's not just folding phones that have flexible panel technology in them a lot of the time there's there's flexible panel technology like an OLED is relatively flexible compared to older display types and just because it's on a fixed you know stretched across a fixed canvas or whatever it doesn't mean that it isn't a little flexible but it's just any time you have something that's like really why i can't fit both my arms in this frame but anything that's really wide well just the leverage this hand is way further out and then it's only held in the single point the forces on the furthest outsides is gonna be really high yeah so like i don't know i'm a little surprised for me the

bigger issue is is one that i've encountered a lot the difference in support from region to region i have never been able to wrap my head around a company somehow justifying to itself and to its users that if you buy an item in one region and try to get warranty support on it in another region or whatever i've never been able to wrap my head around um any rationale for that being anything other than simple and i i get the accounting of it is is complicated if you get back a broken product and send out a new product you have to reconcile that somehow that shows up on your pnl or whatever else but headquarters needs to just suck it up and reconcile it for you like i don't otherwise that that reflects really poorly on your brand and you suck i just i i don't get it um and it's something that we've seen time and time

and time again i don't care it's it's not my problem that you guys don't have a service center here i will happily ship it to wherever your service center is, but you do need to honor the warranty. Does it have your name on it or not? Okay, then you need to fix it. And I mean, obviously, I'm not talking about counterfeit products here. I'm talking about ones that are not counterfeitable. Like I've talked about this before

and I wanna give kudos to Valve for the way that they've handled the couple of issues that i've had with my index um but my initial conversations with them were very frustrating because i wasn't in a region that was yet authorized to buy the index and so i had a hard time explaining how i got one and i had a hard time getting warranty service for it i remember that yeah and you know from my point of view you don't need proof of purchase because this product hasn't even been out long enough for it to have run out of warranty so none of this is relevant just take the f***ing shipment and send me a f***ing new one like it's not it's not complicated at that point uh but in their system it is and so it's a systemic problem it's not because the customer service agent hates you and doesn't want to help you

it's because they just haven't put the work into eliminating these roadblocks for customers. It's frustrating. Yeah. It's frustrating. Oh, you know what's frustrating? Just a second. Oh, I...

Expensive freaking monitor just to have it like pop in front of your eyes. That kind of sucks. Okay. I... Expensive freaking monitor just to have it like pop in front of your eyes. That kind of sucks. Okay. I don't mind bothering like supervisors and managers and like, you know, execs, but I generally try not to bother anyone else outside of ours,

but I'm very, very excited to tell you guys this. And so hopefully... No. Oh, shoot. That's the wrong one. Or wait. No. Yes, I could get the answer here.

Wait. Okay. What's the wrong one. Or wait, no. Yes, I could get the answer here. Wait, okay. What's happening? I am so sorry to bother you on a Friday night, but I figured you might be someone... I'm on the WAN show right now. You're not on speaker, though, so if you need to tell me off for disrupting your dinner or... Yeah, get him.

Late breakfast or whatever it is. Um, did Shay finish shooting the thing? Okay. This is very vague. Okay, cool. Um,

okay. All right. I'm going to leak it then. See you later. We literally just talked about okay bye have a have a wonderful weekend a topic on this show what was that merch message yeah a topic on this show was about things that employees don't like hearing on one show at least it's not tine in this time what was leaks no it's fine it's good oh man so guess who's gonna be back on ltd um adams so shea who you guys may remember from his amd ultimate tech upgrade which was hilarious really good uh yeah really great and this time around

oh man i forget i forget her alias but she is our secret chopper awesome yeah very good i'm so excited we um she she as you guys know, just has a great personality. She gives exactly zero f**ks whatsoever about computers. So, so she's an ideal secret shopper for us because she can carry on a conversation and be super positive and charismatic and, and fun. Um, but she has no idea what you're talking about and doesn't care. And that is exactly what we want for Secret Shopper. We want people to be,

we want the customer service and sales and technical support people to be talking to a personable human being. We don't want them to like hate us or anything, but we want them to really have to work for it because no, this is not someone who knows the speeds and feeds and I sevens and rise in threes and all those numbers and doesn't care about them. You have to put it in real human terms. And so from what I've seen so far, which is the sales calls, Shay has done an outstanding job.

I am super, super pleased with our selection of our secret shopper this time around and now that we are finished the sales calls and the tech support calls the system integrators will know that storms are coming looking up but it's too late for them to do anything about it. Ticket databases Shay Shay let's go who was it? Yep too late for them to do anything about it so uh i i i i will say this it's going to be an extremely fun secret shopper series and do you know what our theme was so the first time around we did magnum ti tech investigator and so it was sort of themed after that Iconic show from I don't even know The 70s I guess

Second time around we did Bond obviously So it's you know it's always An investigative you know detective secret Asian or whatever kind of theme Paw Patrol No I have no idea Wow no heavens no

Any guesses Come on dan do you know okay if you guys have any guesses i'm open to uh let's let the chat not colombo not get smart um not walker texas ranger not maverick not angel i don't watch not rockford not rockford files not knives out wow not sher. You guys are not there yet. Not Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Not Sherlock is kind of surprising. Not MASH. Not CSI. Severance. Oh, Peatman 27's

got it. It's Monk. Monk. You don't know Monk? I don't watch shows. Monk is amazing. It's so good. Where on earth did that come from? I have to confess that Jacob from the Linked team had something to do with it.

That's a very interesting idea, Monk. Yeah, we've gone... I would have never considered that in like a bazillion years. We went with Monk. It's... Eight seasons! It's popular.

It's a great show. It's actually really good. Is it an actual monk or is the person's last name monk? No, his last name is monk. Is Bond a real Bond? Yeah. Is he glue? Is it about financial bonds?

Financial advice. And martinis. This is not financial advice. We are not financial advisors, especially not him. Hell no. Oh, God. Cappuccino? Cappuccino?

Hell no. Oh, God. Cappuccino? Anyway, yes, I will be playing, I will be parodying the role of Emmy Award winning actor Tony Shalhoub as Monk, and it's going to be a lot of fun. We've got all the same suspects as last time, or all the same SIs.

The usual suspects, as you could say. Yep, the usual suspects. But we've added I don't believe cyber power I think was included but DNF'd both the previous times because they didn't provide advice

they are in this time and then we also added everyone's favorite influencer pc brand well i'm supposed to guess the people will guess it yes mr big britches starforge oh i guess it's been that long because it would have made sense but it's been four years now or something Starforge no no no no not Starforge

oh since we've done it's been a minute I feel like it's been a long time it's been a really long time I didn't remember what ones were in the first one yeah I mean the first one Ivan did so that gives you some idea how long ago that was there's been one since then though right yeah december 2018 was the first one and then uh two years ago round two was two years after it was november 2020 was round two so this is round three of secret shopper pretty much three years ago pretty much three years ago yep Pretty much three years ago, yep.

It's the kind of thing, ever since we started, our goal was to do it every year. And ever since we started, that has never happened. It's a ton of work. But this time around, it was not nearly as onerous on the writing team. So we had labs to help support us through the testing which shout out labs yeah enormously helpful which really gave ploof an opportunity to focus on you know kind of fun intro skits the uh okay it's so bad but i hope that it's so bad it's good

because it's the first thing you're going to see when you click this video. The monk theme song is a Randy Newman song. It's a jungle out there. Do you know that song? No. Okay. Anyway, it's Randy Newman. So that should be pretty much all you need to know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Ploof wrote parody lyrics and David sang it doing his best Randy Newman. It's f***ing awful. We got more Linus Meany Group music. Yeah, it's the best kind of awful and I hope you guys enjoy it a lot. We should sell the song as a download on the forum. Yeah. Yeah. I'm kidding.

Not even a little. I don't even know if the um i'm kidding oh emily what emily since when do you watch the show emily she's watched for a while has she i never see you in the chat i do oh okay all right um anyway so emily said and from our editing team i i was looking over her shoulder um because that's not weird right you know when you work in a hallway and just you know this chief vision officer just walks past and is just looking over your shoulder you have to look at things yeah i have to how how can i be how can you have vision if you don't anyway i looked over her shoulder while she was she was working on it and it looked very funny and then

i think i think she actually uh i think she sent it to me for like my proper review I review intros actually I've been reviewing all the video all with asterisk I've missed a couple but I've been reviewing most of the videos in their entirety lately the team nailed it whole team nailed it it's really bad and it's great I'm excited yeah I don't know I really like the secret shoppers I've liked all of them but I don't know if I like the secret shoppers i've liked all of them but i don't know if i'm more excited about secret chopper or that we have another musical piece from the company oh man i this might not be the one you were after which means it's probably the one that i'm after yeah

jeez i'm excited it should be good next topic yeah this is a headline emily says you don't want this one that's perfect coming from coming from her okay that's perfect thanks ed and you got my back here right that's exactly what i want though um oh speaking of samsung displays sorry i'm bringing it back to those crackable displays. Remember the wall. Yeah. Okay. Remember how I wanted one, but then it was like a lot of money and then you talked me out of it.

Oh no. This is his, this is what, this is what he says before he says that he's getting one. Just in case anyone is wondering why I reacted that way. Can you chill? Am I wrong? Can you chill? Am i reacted that way can you chill am i wrong can you chill am i wrong how about you chill for a second can you just let me finish yeah okay remember how i was really excited about them and then they were stupid expensive with all these complications in the install i would need dedicated air conditioning for that room just

to handle the heat output yeah the whole thing right okay so then i ultimately didn't get one because it was stupid didn't and that can you stop i'm trying to talk here okay i really feel like on this show it's always you just going on and on and on i never get to get a word in it nope not doing that okay that was an example of that thing okay the thing that i said was clearly the opposite of what is reality okay so i was talking about this earlier on the show how people will hear me say a thing like that and if i don't do the slash s they actually think that i think luke does all the time no i know that's the whole point that's the joke anyway um okay so i wasn't going to get one and then did i tell you that samsung was potentially um potentially willing to work

with us on one i don't i i don't know the exact details of the arrangement. I wouldn't get into them now. I think I heard something about it. But anyway, we're not, and it doesn't matter. I'm not blaming anyone. It just doesn't matter. The point is, we're not. Nothing's happening.

But I don't care because I found something. Oh, yeah. Did you know that TCL makes a 115-inch quantum dot mini LED TV? No. That is five diagonal inches smaller than the fricking projector screen in my theater room right now. That's crazy. That is flipping wild.

And get this. Remember how much is it? Remember how, hold, just can you calm down for a second? Okay. Remember how the wall was hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's come down a lot.

It's a couple hundred grand now. This TCL TV is 15K, which is a freaking ton of money for a TV. But compared to the wall... It's a lot less than I was expecting. And it's non-modular, so you're not going to get any seams. It dies all at once. I bought one. Of course.

It's China only, so importing it is going to be an absolute cluster bomb. You can't say... So in full plain sight, I said quit being so practical. You can't say... It's a $15,000 TV. Yeah, but it's a... I can... It's a 115-inch TV.

I can scoff at that, okay? I will defend my right to scoff at a 15 000 tv it's 115 inches though luke it is freaking projector size and it's less than one-tenth the cost of the wall i hate that it has the in the name any product with the in the name is terrible although any product where you are not allowed to say the like iphone is also terrible i should be allowed to use the word the however i want we need a we need a remember how everything was one for a while there yeah we need the one we need a product oh man uh the wall all in 146 inch is now uh but where's the price for this yeah 200 grand this is less than one tenth the price i have no idea how you would mount something like this surely

it can't be a standard vase amount like i the thing weighs I think it weighs about 200 pounds. Oh, yeah, it's almost exactly 15,000 Canadian. It's 80,000 Chinese yuan. Yeah. Hold on. Let me see if I can get the weight. Displayspecifications.com. Do you have TCL's site up? No.

Okay, where? Oh, man. How do I even find this 4k 5000 nits train i can't even find it the the closest thing that comes up here is like we've got articles about it and then yeah an air conditioner like they really they really do not want me to learn about this thing anyway the point is um i want to make i want to make a video about it i want to know a couple of things i want to know okay is the projector effectively dead because even that projection setup is about half the price of this

tv that is a five six thousand dollar projector on like a couple thousand dollar screen so it's not like it's not like oh yeah this is a fifteen thousand dollar tv it's totally beyond the realm like if you want a display that big you are spending a lot of money one one way or another whether it's half the price though yeah it's a lot of savings it's half the price for a sixth of the brightness though like the my expectation still in terms of that range that's that's a lot i could i i don't think projector is dead, if that's the case. No, but remember, too, that TVs, more than probably anything else, have Moore's Lawed the crap out of everything else. Yeah.

What gets predictably cheaper and bigger, like a TV? Not much, to be honest. Nothing. It's actually been quite crazy to follow. Right? So you look back at the rise of SSDs, and hard drive manufacturers are going, no, it'll never get there.

Moore's Law makes fools of us all. No, if this thing is actually viable, Sorry, I'm trying to find specs and i just ltt screwdriver add ltt screwdriver nice i have one if this thing arrives in one piece looks good is somewhat reasonable to deploy in some way man no i i think the writing could be on the wall for projectors. What are you looking at? I'm trying to figure out what's happening here. Yeah,

no, it's a hundred kilograms. Yes, that is correct. Oh, I thought you were trying to look up what weight it is. Oh, I, now that I,

I thought it was 200 pounds and it is. Yes. Now that I have a number, yes, it's, it's 200 pounds. Yeah. So like with that vase amount. Yeah, I know. Right. Um, how thin is number yes it's it's 200 pounds yeah so like with that vase amount yeah

i know right um how thin is it that's like over 200 pounds i i don't know i don't know that's not even as thin as modern tvs which it kind of looks like it i don't know if it's quite as thin as some of them but it looks quite thin overall i'm looking at this picture i mean that could be deceptive that is quite far off the wall also i couldn't help noticing it is not wall mounted it is sitting on a dedicated shelf dedicated fully dedicated shelf oh boy this could be interesting because like if it weighs that much and it's and it's i don't know how realistic this is. Do you see all the people?

Oh, you can't. There you go. It's also not 3D. This is some very abstract marketing, not non-literal marketing. Oh man. What is the 20,000 plus? What is it? 20,000 plus of dollars? No, no, actually, I don't know.

By the time we pay all the import fees yes but um no i don't think that's what that is i'm not sure 157 that could be a dynamic contrast ratio or something like that yeah i could see that a plus plus i know that it does something like 2000 nits peak brightness though i thought i said five did i say five no i don't think so i'm pretty sure it's like 2000 nits peak brightness 20 000 mini leds oh well no it does say it does say 5000 plus nits on there am i blind where is it oh here it is yeah good gravy so this is 10 10 times the peak brightness so i have a theory as to why this is china only and i think it it's Energy Star. I don't think there's any reason that they couldn't ship this to North America or sell this in North America or Europe or whatever the case may be. Other than that, I don't think they would be able to so we we've seen a big one of the big limiters for tv brightness before the oled era where i mean really it was about maintaining the the panels over the longer term

one of the big limiters for tv brightness was how much power they're allowed to draw and so i think that these these modular systems like the wall might be able to get around it because each module doesn't exceed it it's also classified as a commercial display now that i think about it the wall is on samsung commercial which might be how they get around the energy requirements but this is clearly a consumer electronics product and what i suspect is that it draws way, I mean, 5,000, even if you just had a light and it wasn't a TV and it did anywhere near 5,000 nits on any part of it and it was that big, it would consume an inordinate amount of power. No, 240 watts is definitely not the power consumption of the TV. It is going to be top gear 1224. It's definitely not 600 watts either.

This thing is going to be an absolute monster for power consumption. I mean, we had, um, uh, we, we, we, I think just the audio is 240 watts. I think people are confused because it says it has a total output power of so right here it has a total power output of 240 watts including 240 watt subwoofers but if you read the the pre-sentences the audio department is represented by this sound system it's just it's just talking about the audio it's not talking about the tv as a whole that is wild no i don't think they're going to talk about power consumption i couldn't find any reference to it anywhere yeah because i don't think they want to talk about it i don't think that's a i don't think that's a ksp as they call them in the biz um like we we just did a

video we shot the next compensator that's that's luke's brainchild yeah i saw it did you see it do you like it i walked past it i was like I immediately know what this is. And yeah, it's great. Yeah, cool. Yeah, I appreciate the... It weighs almost as much as this TV. Yeah. It's really heavy. All combined, it is like close.

Anyway, the monitor is not nearly this big. I think it's 49 or 55 inches or something like that. And that monitor draws 250 watts. This thing is four times the size at least and probably brighter and yeah it's ridiculous i think it does high refresh rate like it says somewhere i think it's 144 or something let me try to find it again 144 hertz oh man now i want one i know right i know uh you guys are killing me i shouldn't spend all that time painting my wall could i just put a tv on yeah right anyway i uh

it's kind of like the transparent tv for me this is just kind of unique tech that is not going to make its way into the western world it won't be covered by western media other than to just be like yeah this is a thing that exists and we will put it through the paces i i am i'm very excited to try it out i've just i've never seen anything like it i had no idea it existed and i um and and as an alternative to something like the wall it i mean one tenth the price it's smaller but it's one tenth the price them are some feet them them are some big feet hopefully you're not stuck with those they literally put them on mountains just to i don't even know if they're like their scale considering the other images on here, I don't even know if they're real.

But it's a big foot. Say that much. Apparently the specs say 600 watts average. So that was correct. I will be very surprised. 600 watts average. Yeah, what does that even mean? Yeah.

Are they averaging when it's basically off? And when it's, you know, full? It's HDR, right? Yeah, so who knows? It's not going to be full white all the time though, right? I mean, I don't know. It depends. You're going to need to be able to support that. What if a flashbang goes off?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, power spikes. What if you're playing Counter-Strike 2 on your new 144 hertz insanely huge monitor? What if I did? It's one of the flashbangs. What are you going to do about it? Yeah.

Yeah. Boom. Got him. Yeah. More like, got him. Sorry. Speaking of got him, this came across my news feed and I was like, what? my news feed and i was like what operation zero a russia-based company that sells zero-day exploits is offering to pay researchers up to 20 million dollars for hacking tools that would allow its

customers to hack iphones and android devices previously it was offering only 200 000 for exploits for those platforms. According to the Operation Zero Twitter account, the increased payout is in response to high market demand, but it is also likely a reflection of the difficulty of hacking iOS and Android devices. When we're talking about the kind of hack that would be worth $20 million, we're talking something that would require no user intervention and would be

completely transparent to the user so um at the end of their announcement operation zero specifies as always the end user is a non-nato country so these these are governments that are seeking these tools not individuals on their official website they state our clients are russian private and government organizations only. Okay, apparently some private ones. When asked why, their CEO responded, no reasons other than obvious ones. Can I just say that that is just about the most Russian response to anything? Yeah, kind of.

I wonder, I didn't actually read the bit about uh it's for the russians or whatever part of me had like this weird somewhat dubious theory that somebody had a zero day and wanted a lot of money for it so they were like let's put out a bounty to try to get more money from some bounty program that like Apple actually has. I don't know, because those bounty programs do exist. And I know that the market for bringing them to guys like this, the market price, it's much more lucrative because these guys know that they have to bid against apple and google's own bounty programs yeah our discussion question here is pretty much does the price increase indicate good things about the state of android and apple security yeah it kind of seems that way i mean obviously i think that the paranoid among us the the justifiably paranoid among us do tend

to treat our phones like they're pretty much always listening and pretty much always watching but is it possible that that is not as much the case anymore like you're not going to spend 20 million dollars on an exploit to spy on you no offense you might be putting out a broad spy program so you might get caught in the crossfire i don't know i don't know that you could jump to saying that that's potentially not the case anymore uh because yeah i think i think brady boy 26 info plan chat is on to what i'm saying or going to be saying, um, which is that type of data collection. It might just not be available to these people.

So they still need their own access to whatever it might be grabbing. Sure. That makes sense. Um, and our other discussion question is what does it mean that the primary clients for these kinds of services are governments? Ah, I mean,

I guess I think the answers to that are only the obvious ones. I guess it means that Google and Apple are not cooperating... Too much? Because they definitely cooperate a little. At least not with the ones that are trying to buy this. Yeah, that's fair enough. They could be cooperating not with the ones that are trying to buy this yeah that's fair enough they could be cooperating plenty with the others which makes them kind of the arbiters of who

should have this information this whole this whole topic makes me extremely uncomfortable which is why i brought it up um i just i gotta be honest with you i didn't really and maybe this is just naivety i i didn't really think that zero day no user intervention i remotely accessed your phone and i have control over it at this point i didn't think it was very common today i don't think it is i think that's the only reason why it's worth so much fair enough speaking of being worth so much reddit karma for cash anyone yeah karma for cash reddit has announced that users will be able to earn money based on the amount of karma and gold they receive on eligible posts i.e posts that don't include content that is sexually explicit or related to violence drugs firearms, firearms, gambling, scams, or donations to charity.

Unlike Twitter's contribution monetization scheme, the new Reddit contributor program will not require Redditors to be subscribed to a paid membership. However, they will have to be a U.S. resident over the age of 18 with an account in good standing. The program will also involve a phase out of the current Reddit gold feature which will be replaced with by one where users buy gold and

then hold the upvote button for additional time in order to give that post a golden upvote. Wow. That's horrible. What?

Hate the user experience of that. That sounds really dumb moving on uh the uh reddit phased out reddit coins earlier this month and when asked why they didn't transfer the coins to be used in the new system a spokesperson responded that the existence of both paid and free coins made it complicated to do so so they decided to start over completely does that mean that everyone with paid stuff just lost it no no everyone with free coins lost it oh okay in other news reddit will also no longer be allowing users to opt out of having their reddit activity used for personalizing ads, except in select countries, which are not yet specified.

And they do this stuff knowing that no one will ever leave, because if they were going to leave, they had a big reason to recently and didn't. I added that bit. That wasn't in the doc. Yeah. So Reddit hates us. Or at least they like money Yeah I mean those two things aren't mutually exclusive

This is cool though This is actually Quite cool Like seriously I think I I think this was either on the subreddit or the forum Or somewhere but someone was joking We bullied Mark Zuckerberg so much about the first metaverse that he made something good.

Like the whole of everyone did, to be completely honest. And it kind of deserved it, but it doesn't anymore because holy crap, that's actually amazing. Yeah, this is so- That's really crazy. So what you guys are looking at is Chief Meta Mark Zuckerberg, the scan that is being created in real time of his face, and the avatar, the reconstruction of his face

based on this scan. And in motion, it's pretty impressive. I don't think that scan is real time. I would fact check that quickly. Oh, hold on. I believe they went to a special thing and had the laser scan done and then the mask is simply updating the model

using a lower quality. Oh, sorry. You know what? Yeah, no, I think you're right. I should have actually bothered to read the notes on it. Sorry, not real time, not real time. But the real time mapping of it

is really cool either way. So once you're sitting there talking and stuff yes yeah so it's not the actual scan in real time some people are saying it was or handyman is saying it was connected to a pc running a 4090 sure but that doesn't that wouldn't change anything about the fact that it is super cool yeah like i if you told me hey that's just kind of a low-res video of mark zuckerberg and i wasn't looking that closely at it i'd be i'd be i'd be pretty impressed yeah the eyes are kind of dead but i mean it's mark zuckerberg yeah maybe it's good maybe it's accurate yeah so there's a interview um between mark zuckerberg and lex

friedman um i've got it up on my computer right now but uh to not do a reaction video you should probably go watch it yourself um but i i'm not listening to it i'm just kind of skipping through it right now looking at different video segments and it's pretty crazy all right here i'll i'll give you guys at least you guys should go watch this wow wait i i actually can't tell is that cooler mark mark looks somewhat recreated but jump to 742. is that recreated lex whoa wow so yeah you guys gotta go watch this wow lexus was more convincing in my opinion wow that's pretty wild i heard a lot of people saying that mark zuckerberg looks more real now oh my god all right i've dumped this into all the various chats that's very impressive yeah saying that Mark Zuckerberg looks more real now. Oh my God. All right.

I've dumped this into all the various chats. That's very impressive. Yeah. It's really cool. And there's people, there's people in the chat saying, you know, this is just,

you know, whatever mapping and it's been around forever. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right, right, right. But, but here it is really working, really being used, being used for like video chat um and the major benefit of this is that apparently it is way way more efficient

to transfer the scan one time and then just transfer the metadata that's required so when you're like connecting to the call it it does a download. Compared to actually streaming video to each other. That totally makes sense. Yeah. Because honestly, the biggest issue with remote work, I think, is the loss of body language in meetings and situations. It's animojis, but not complete s**t. Yeah. Did those kind of die or are those still a thing?

Like the animojis, were those cool for 10 minutes or are they still cool? Let us know in the chat. Yeah, you need to talk to him. Elijah, you're a Zoomer. Are Animojis still a thing? Oh no, he's an Android loser. Wow.

I forgot. Fake Zoomer. Yeah, exactly, right? I keep seeing these numbers out of the states. He's not a Zoomer, he's a Fumer. 85%.

I don't know. He needs to fill his tank. I keep seeing these numbers like 85% of US teens have iPhones. I'm sitting here going, really? Why? Yeah, I don't know. Status symbol.

Those green bubbles. It's not a status symbol. You can get an iPhone for like $60 on eBay. You can get that blue bubble or whatever color the blue is the good color right i don't know green blue yeah like i don't think blue is i don't know i actually don't get it i don't know uh what did elijah say hey we're full buddies yeah well we were man until i mine spilled in the drink mine spilled in the drink yeah really you said a luke sentence it's not a status symbol i'm sorry it's just not it's a consumer electronics device

i think luke and i were talking about this earlier oh what were you guys saying i'd love to hear it i don't think it was earlier today um but yeah it's just confusing i don't get it doesn't make any sense to me i don't understand how it's a status symbol i yeah it's just confusing i don't get it doesn't make any sense to me i don't understand how it's a status symbol i just it's a phone it's the funny thing is like we complain about how expensive apple phones are they're not even the most expensive phones yeah and like i'm not saying we shouldn't complain about it i think you should use it as like a reverse filter like if someone filters you out because you don't have an iPhone, good. You probably don't want to be with them.

They sound dumb. Luke with the hot f***ing takes. Wow. Okay. So he's talking about how... Like they just helped you dodge a bullet. Yeah. Apparently it's a thing.

Like if you have... And dating. Yeah. If you're pictured with an Android device in your dating profile, people will just, you get less, swipe you, whichever is the bad direction.

But maybe you just got higher quality ones, fewer quantity, higher quality. So what you're saying is if you want more Tinder matches, you get like five or six iPhones. You just cover yourself. You make a shirt out of iPhones. Fan them out and just fan yourself with iPhones.

It's like peacocking, but with iPhonesones exactly yeah that is now is now the play but like what a stupid thing to be like i can't date this person they have an android like that's actually just dumb okay i mean and like let's flip it around if you're an android person you're like i can't date that person they have an iphone that's dumb well how would you communicate with them if they don't have iMessage some people actually think this way luke email it's just dumb it's dumb i i i know people in my actual real life that use yahoo for their email that's pretty dumb i'm going to not engage with them. I'm going to tell them that that's weird and they should probably stop.

I mean, that's not as bad as having your ISP email account. That is worse. That is objectively worse. Yeah. Would I filter based on that? Maybe. Oh. I'm wondering now.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. If I was on the dating scene and someone emailed me. Yeah, my email is like, you know, cat lover one, two, three, five at Shaw.ca. I might actually be like, yikes. I'm not. I'm wondering now. I'm not 100% certain, but I think maybe.

Telus.net. I feel like if it was that, if I didn't just swipe no, if I was swiping, I feel like one of the first topics of conversation would be that. And I would like need us to hit a resolution. Like, no, you need to update that. Like, OK, fine, fine. Is there an email domain that you would prefer? So let's let's say gmail.com is your baseline okay and at telus.net is sort of your your your negative 10 okay what's your what's your what's your plus five what's your plus 10 domain

i don't know hit me i want to know where you'd rank hotmail i'd hotmail's fine because it's just outlook now it just means you've had your email for a long time. Okay. Protonmail. I don't think that would be better. Yeah, I'm thinking. So is this, are we specifically talking about dating?

Yeah, we're specifically talking about dating. Don't look at chat. I want your honest. I think Protonmail is low. It's low. Okay, where? It feels like you're trying to hide something. Okay, give me a number.

Give me a number. It's definitely above ISP. Yeah, okay. Come a number give me a number it's definitely above isp yeah okay give me come on give me a number how do i how do i what sorry what is the scale how do i number this okay minus 10 is at telus.net okay zero is at gmail.com okay uh like minus four minus four you don't you don't want to see that proton there's there's there's a weird level of anonymity. I've got more, I've got more for you. So, uh, okay. Um, at their name.com.

I think that's cool, but it depends on the reason and why. And I would legitimately look at it. I would go to the domain, but there's nothing on the domain. They just bought it because they wanted their email to be. I think that's cool. Okay.

I think, I think this one's fairly variable though uh because like give me a range i think it's anywhere from remember this is dating yeah yeah i think it's anywhere from like plus so okay so it's it's a 20 point scale negative 10 positive 10 yeah i think that's anywhere from like depends what it's used, plus two to like plus eight. Plus eight, okay. At postsecondaryinstitution.edu or whatever. No, really? Yeah. So you're not into the whole like, you know, I'm a graduate.

I know people that do this too. This is about to get spicy. I'm going to get called out. I think it depends because some of them you lose access to when you leave it and some of them you gain you you have access to it forever the ones i'm aware of are lifetime access like i know sfu does i know some that are not lifetime really oh okay i didn't know that so i think it somewhat depends um i'm pretty neutral on that one i think i'm gonna say minus one really yeah i thought that was gonna be like a good thing no

no no no no no i just changed my mind on it not because your reaction i'm gonna say plus two it's still low i'm still pretty neutral so it's better than gmail.com I think so I think so the dot ed you I think so ah because I was thinking like you're just kind of giving all your data to this school and then I was like yeah but you are with gmail and yeah sure you are so like it which one's better and probably this one by a little bit but I don't really care so yeah let's say plus two honestly for me if I was gonna go and I'm kind of all over this one um i would say if it's going to be in the negative range it would be if it might be an indicator to me that you're the kind of person who looks down i feel like it's i feel like it would be worse if it was from a

particularly prestigious school really yeah okay so the fact that you feel like you have to lead with. Yes. That I have this domain. Yeah. To you is kind of, it could have a pompous sort of vibe to it. Yes, which would be bad. But I feel like if it was someone where like you, you suddenly have to use this email. Sprotshaw college.ca or something. I don't know. That one might even be weird because it's like, I think this one's like quite the range too, I think.

even weird because it's like i think this one's like quite the range too i think um but yeah if it seems like it was out of like utility if you were like i had to use this for school anyways and i was just using it and i just like whatever if that's the vibe i get out of it then cool whatever sounds good okay at icloud.com i don't know enough i don't think i care zero i think i consider that same as like Gmail. Really? Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Interesting. Elijah says, LMAO, check your email privilege, by the way. Um, I think just in response to what I was saying about like the, the,

the, the, uh, hoity toity, the latest domains. Um, let me just see if there's any other fun ones. Okay.

Just what about if it's just like a completely ridiculous one so they've obviously set up a custom domain for their email it's not particularly short it's not a time saver it's just i think it again it just strongly depends and i think this one probably out of all of them could be quite the range uh because if it's like humorous in a in a good way i think it could rank pretty highly but if it's just like stupid a good way, I think it could rank pretty highly. But if it's just stupid... I used to have an email at... What was it?

It's like not sharing my.info or something. And if they gave me that email as their contact, I'd be like... Okay. That's a negative. What if they bought themselves an at XXX domain or something like that? It depends.

Is it humorous? Like lol.triplex or whatever. Like just something stupid. That could be funny. I think that, yeah. Okay. So, you know. Yeah, it depends a bit.

All right. Okay. Okay. Ah, this was a fun game. I enjoyed it. Were there any that you notably disagree about? No. People are saying you need to rank aol yeah

that's low yeah yeah i didn't even give him aol i don't know where that one was gonna fall yeah um i don't i don't i honestly don't know it's hard for me to talk about dating because it's been a thousand years since i've dated me too and i never but i never even dated online at all i never tried it i basically didn't okay basically didn't is really different no i totally did i take that back i literally forgot i did okay so i hated it i haven't i haven't touched it i have it sucks i have no idea my first impressions of at nasa.gov plus 10 yeah okay plus 10 my my my um okay i didn't include any corporate ones that's totally yeah yeah anyway and the corporate one really depends as well they're all they're all there's a huge range yeah my uh my

my first impressions of people that i dated were like seeing them in class or at camp like it's like it's it's just a completely different paradigm like i can't even email is a funny one too because like no one gives you their email. I mean, okay. There's a, there's another thing guys, let us know in the comments. Like would you,

yeah. Would you, would you rank someone up or down based purely on the fact that they provided you email as a contact method? I think email is bad. Like I'm pretty sure email is like boomer now. I think so. You are,

you are correct. Yeah. Like you get, you get somebody's email when you've been married to them yeah for for maybe like two years like i uh i i i love email because i don't have to deal with it right away i can you're out of touch nobody emails that's what we're saying that come on no it's the most professional form of communication you got instant messaging where you know you have casual chats you have text messages which is like i need your attention right now this is important then you have email which is like i'm going to send you banking

details i hate text i hate that people still use text because nobody texted me for like years and then we set up all of our uh notification stuff for float plane through text messages so when there's like oh this thing is something's going on with this server whatever we get texted about it so i get texted all the time with automated messages that i usually don't actually really need to see and then a few people started texting me again and i'm like why are we doing this stop stop it i think i've texted you lately no i don't know i mostly message you on discord yeah yeah which is fine people are like yeah i only email with my girlfriend when forwarding shipping notifications like i mean the only reason i email yvonne is to coordinate kid stuff or work stuff

like it's not like we would normally email but we do email a lot because we work together. Um, but for me, email is just the most reliable way to get in touch with me. So I realized that I'm probably going full. Okay. Boomer when I'm coordinating with another, uh, you know, content creator through DMS or something somewhere. And I'm like, Hey, yeah, I would, I would love to talk about this further. Send me an email. Here's my email address because otherwise I know that I'm not reliable enough. And when it's email, I can copy in someone from the team who can take care of them. And when it's not email, it's going to just go into a black hole.

There's no hope for it. So I might as well just not even bother replying. He said it. He confirms the boomers. Oh, what is it now? So I used to use something called pigeon do you know what pigeon is do you know what pigeon is uh no no i don't it's a bird so

it's not a plane that's why i like it no um it's definitely not superman oh sorry dan pigeon i am uh so i used to use this many years ago um does it work on windows i remember it existing wait isn't it like a multi-client thing yeah uh it is okay and i decided to check it out because i was like i wish pigeon supported more stuff and then i was like maybe i should check i checked plugins and what's up whoa does it support whatsapp uh wow it supports like dating apps and facebook battle i saw it here for a second steam whatsapp there it is it supports protocol so much stuff as i recall i did try this isn't all hold on some of these are like mods i did try this and it was inconvenient or unreliable for some reason okay yeah yeah yeah i haven't used it in

forever but back in the like msn messenger uh whatever all the other ones back then trillion was king yeah so you had aim m, and what was the other thing? Try ICQ, I think was the three that made it Trillion. Don't quote me on that. I could be wrong. Does Trillion still exist? Surely not. Shut up.

This looks like acquired and rebranded or something. There's no way this is the original Trillion. Healthcare. Specifically targeting healthcare. So they probably have like, yeah, HIPAA compliant. They probably have data silo stuff. Oh, they pivoted. They went to HIPAA.

That's interesting. That's very smart, actually. Yeah. Interesting. Unless they screwed up. Then it's very lawsuit. Was that image loading like is the 90s? Did that just happen?

Did I see that? Ands? Did that just happen? Did I see that? Did you see that, Dan? I think that they're doing a throwback. What happened? Intentionally? So this image on the right-hand side here, only the top small percentage of it loaded right away,

and then it slowly chunked in. What is this? Trillyand.im? Okay, what just happened, but a lot slower and chunkier. What did you click on you clicked on i have shift f5 is what i'm for health care what can you do simple instance persistent game chat uh yeah their site is really not game chat compatible with dozens of open gl and direct 3d applications oh boy um all right well anyway it used to, it used to be kind of a thing. Cool. It's a PNG. That image is a PNG, and I just want to see how big it is. It's not very big.

But a PNG on a website in the current year. Oh, well. Okay. What are we doing? we're talking about trillion okay it was able to connect yes i was right it was able to connect aim icq and msn messenger simultaneously in one window that was november 29th year 2000 wow what's the new one that does that beeper i don't know okay no sorry what what topic were we on i don't know does it matter it's the wan show that what topic what are topics oh yeah fair enough uh there's a potential ps5 jailbreak uh playstation hacker andy newin otherwise known as the flow recently posted

on twitter spoiler alert don't update likely a warning not to update to the newest firmware for PS4 and PS5. According to The Flow, he recently reported some very cool bugs, probably via Sony's HackerOne bug bounty program, which will likely take time for Sony to fix. This would also mean that The Flow currently cannot disclose what those vulnerabilities are until Sony makes a patch available, but many are hoping for a kernel level jailbreak however no longer updating the console's firmware would also mean no longer accessing the playstation network game patches and online games discussion question

is foregoing psn game patches and online games worth it for a jailbreakable playstation console and i think we all know the answer to that for a lot of people. I mean, particularly for the PS4, that game library is basically established at this point and they would love to play on a jailbroken console. Alright, now, we

can either move on to Wanshow After Dark, or you can do your weekend AI thing. Do I do it it's gonna take forever and we're not gonna be able to play as much super checks it's our hockey game that we play after when i mean we are i thought we got it out of your system earlier what ai yeah oh yeah we talked about it pre-show oh my god we haven't talked about google podcast yet either yeah full-plane chat saying ai okay well let me do the google podcast real quick yeah after eight years google podcast will be discontinued next year topic over yeah that sucks i guess if you're into podcasts and a lot of people seem to be

very upset about it i use google podcast oh really yeah i legitimately don't want to use anything else and this sucks all right you heard it here first it came on my phone a podcast app does not need to be elaborate let me download the thing i guess there wasn't enough money in it sorry yeah because i don't think there was any right you're gonna add that to floatplane no go away we don't need we're not doing dan led development yeah i will not keep everybody employed it's not happening welcome to asking about features by by the way. No, and I'm mad about it. I know what we need to do, and we're doing it. It's okay.

We're going to be fine. Anyways, AI stuff. Open released a, open AI released an update for ChatGPT that allows it to, in quote, see, hear, and speak. Users can now hold entirely spoken conversations with the bot, use images in prompts, and have it generate images using the also recently released DALE3, which closes the gap between it and Midjourney. If you want to open up the article on your screen and share screen, I'll just keep plowing through the talking. The one that I want you to try to find is the bike repair demo. AI, or sorry, at Meta, what? At Meta Connect. Oh, the name of the event is Meta Connect. Got it. At Meta Connect on

Wednesday, Meta announced its Meta AI digital assistant with multimodal capabilities, thanks to Meta's new lightweight image generator, Emu, which also produced some fairly impressive sample images. WhatsApp, Messenger, and Instagram users will be able to invoke Meta AI inside of chats to help plan things or push their friends out of their comfort zones. Oh boy. Meta AI is also only the default assistant. Meta announced a lineup of AI characters

with diverse specialties bearing the likeness of celebrity personalities like Snoop Dogg as the Dungeon Master. He does text-based RPG stuff. And Mr. Beast as the Funny Man? Users who are part of the beta rollout can message these characters through their social media profiles on instagram facebook and whatsapp okay you don't sound that excited about this i just the funny man is like the worst name i like feel bad for mr beast he's just referred to as the funny man it's kind of funny yeah but like i don't know like i feel like if you call the comedian the funny man

it wouldn't be a positive thing because they'd be like i'd rather people know who my what my name is not like a vague not super positive version of what their job i don't know anyways um zuck explained at connect that these characters are a proof of concept for Meta's new AI studio, a service that will allow creators and brands to build AIs to represent themselves. That'll make a lot of money in certain circles. Meta AI will be integrated into the newly announced second-gen Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses. First-gen was Ray-Ban Stories, giving wearers the ability to prompt it with their voice and images from the built-in 12 megapixel camera so you can ask it to do things

like identify monuments and translate signs it also supports live streaming to facebook and instagram those are actually crazy have you seen those no so the glasses that you wear that look pretty normal from the images that I saw, but I didn't get to see like back here where they tend to stuff a lot of the batteries and stuff, but you can just be looking at something and be like, what is this? And it will tell you. That's pretty cool. Which is pretty cool.

Hold on a second. I've got that bike repair demo for you. Yeah. I assume this is the one. It's got 40,000 upvotes. It's from OpenAI. Yeah. If. Help me.

Hold on. Is this just YouTube? Oh, it's... Help me lower my bike seat. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. So it gives some instructions, and it says, if you have tools, let me see them and stuff like that. So they take a picture of this part and they're like, is this what you're talking about? More or less? Is this the lever? And they're like, nope, it's not a lever. It's a bolt.

Wow. You'll need an Allen wrench. And then they attach a picture of the manual for their Allen wrench kit and a picture of their Allen wrench set. And it tells them which one out of the set. Okay, who would ever do that though? Yeah, but it's functionality. Yeah, I guess so. You got to take steps in the right direction.

I don't know if they would include the manual. The manual might be a bit of a cheat but yeah yeah but yeah pretty interesting yeah that's pretty cool um i don't know if we have a link in here but the um the second gen ray-band meta smart glasses oh my goodness i hope that's not the official name um those those look pretty wild as well um yeah jayden posting full-plane chat a new mass data collection scheme just dropped yeah absolutely um it's gonna be rough uh ethical images getty images has now announced their own ai art generator built by nvidia and reportedly trained entirely on getty's own library of licensed images this is kind of cool getty has previously sued ai art generators for using its

copyrighted images in their training data getty also says that the images generated in this manner will not be added to its existing library what are they for then that's the weirdest response therefore therefore generating ai art but they're not going to take their generated stuff and put it into their library you just use it to generate stuff got it yeah okay so you're not you're not copying photocopying photocopies they're not generating these for their own use and sale you can can use it. Okay, I understand. I love this one most. This is my favorite. I actually did want to talk about this.

The internet is melting. Twitter user Tyler Glale recently discovered that Google search was highlighting an answer sourced from Quora that claimed that eggs can be melted. Quora itself claimed that the information was taken from chat GPT. However, Quora actually sourced this information from an outdated GPT-3 API. I love this so much. AI is feeding off of AI generated or like training data, like training data being built from training data that was built from training data,

we are going to end up with some wild stuff. We've been talking about this for a while, right? Yeah. Like it's, yeah, it's going to be rough. AI intelligence, the CIA is preparing to launch an AI tool intended for all US intelligence agencies. According to the CIA, the AI would be able to sort through

the huge amount of information collected by u.s intelligence oof uh with links back to the original source of the information all right there was a demo that i showed dan uh someone on twitter who took a screenshot from some sass websites dashboard like software as a service yeah okay um and fed that into chat gbt and asked it for the code and it spat out a bunch of code and they shoved it into an ide and just ran it and it worked and it gave them a sas website the thing that them a what like the dashboard for a sat like you know your your selections on the left hand side some some charts and dashboards and things that you'd expect all that kind of stuff the part that isn't

as cool and you could tell mr twitter user um that they wanted a lot of views and a lot of clicks on this because they didn't exactly try to use it right because no part of it's actually going to be functional yeah uh there's a bunch of buttons there's a lot of charts those charts aren't going to be fed by any actual data all of it's just going to be functional. Yeah. There's a bunch of buttons. There's a lot of charts. Those charts aren't going to be fed by any actual data. All of it's just going to be hard coded. The back end is the hard part. Not necessarily. Well, okay.

There's complicated things in front of it too. And what I'm saying is that none of those were done. Sure. No actual, it's just like, there's a static chart that we made. I just mean, I could ask literally anyone in the editing den to put together a quote-unquote you know software as a service dashboard and if they haven't actually done any of the coding for the front end and they haven't actually done any of the like populating it with any data that anyone would actually want to use of the back end then they haven't really built a software as a service platform, have they?

Yeah, no, it's definitely, yeah. But my point was they didn't even try to like interact with it in any way, shape or form at all. Oh, someone linked the MetaSmart glasses in the chat. We can have a look at these. I've heard of V0, it's cool. So how like, yeah, how like thick are they? Yeah.

Can I just get a clean picture? It feels like they're trying to obfuscate it. Cause I couldn't tell when I was trying to look earlier. Yeah. They're a little bit, they're a little bit thick, but they're, I mean, not bad. It doesn't look too bad. Yeah. Not bad.

This is the cleanest picture we have of it. Uh, okay. But it hides the back. Yeah. No, I don't think there is a back. This is thick enough that it's probably got some batteries and stuff in it. Power switch right there. Yeah, okay. Uh, hello? Oh, why are websites so terrible these days? Does it, so it has a capture button. If you're capturing things, does it indicate to people that aren't you yeah i think it

has a light yeah pretty cool i don't know if i need to try this i don't know man maybe i am getting old because i just don't think i care about that like i i'm like i i theoretically you've talked about it for a long time when it can identify people for me and like remind me like pro actually proactively remind me of like you know hey you haven't asked about their kids in a while you know whatever right then yeah i could see it being very useful but honestly we are so far away from that i just don't really feel like i need to engage with these not really that functional prototypes at this point and i don't know maybe i'm just being a fuddy-duddy about it but you know we're still at the point where if you have more than one james in your address book it's hard to call James with your voice.

Like I just, you're making a face that I am really struggling to interpret. I don't know if I want to show it on stream. Well, too late now. No, I didn't do it. Okay.

I don't know. I don't know i don't know why would you click that what were you expecting to happen i was trying to see if i needed to ban them but i was like it's handyman so i feel like it's not going to be a bannable thing but it looks like a bannable thing luke that's a work laptop if i didn't know who this person was if i didn't recognize this person from chat i was i would have just banned them right but i recognize this person in chat i've interacted directly with this person quite a few times so i was like okay well i'm gonna check first and then it was glorious i don't know and we're about to gloriously switch over into wanshow after dark, I think. Oh, man.

Thanks, Dan. Always a professional. That's a transition. He doesn't actually walk in front of the camera. It's just a transition he plays back. It's a transparency. We recorded Dan walking in front of the lens on the green screen. I don't know if you guys could hear him, but he said star wipe as he walked past. It's a really low budget.

Dan, you are a star. You just say the name of the transition. Oh, I just assumed you meant that you're the star and you're the wipe. Yeah, maybe more wipe than star. Okay, where are we? Where are we? Why is there a Wanshow after Dark square on Wanshow Bingo? That's cheating.

That's not fair. It's always Wanshow After Dark. Yeah. Unless that's in the middle. The entire Wanshow is just Wanshow After Dark, depending on how much sleep I've had. Oh my goodness. Anyways.

All right, let's hop into it. Yeah, let it rip. Hi, hi lld i'm looking at downsizing my pc setup and the cleanest setup video from a few years ago has piqued my interest how viable do you believe that setup is today any shortcomings um okay we've done cleanest setup a couple times so it would be nice to know exactly which one you're talking about um okay so here we go yeah basically homeless has made it so that we can never actually win this again so that's frustrating but anyway let's move on um we're still going to do really clean setups they just won't be like this this is this this one is very cool but not necessarily that practical um if okay if you mean this one so in the oh wait i think there's a

difference between clean and like non-existent not to not to diminish what they did that was actually one of the most like incredible things i've seen in a long time okay you must mean this one so we embedded the cables into the desk and then we routed the cables down the leg of the desk to a tower that was just sitting next to it um i don't remember if we put a wireless charger in for the mouse no we didn't that was one of the upgrades we made for this one uh where we the wireless chargers are embedded in the desk. This one only had the Qi charger embedded. And then with both of them, the monitor cable comes right down. It's really hard to put my mouse over this and not have it.

Anyway, the monitor cable comes down into the desk and then is like routed down to the computer, which is at the side. Totally viable. I mean, the only drawback is if you ever need to change out a cable it's a pain in the butt as for this one uh where's where's the other one ah project zero cables the cleanest desk setup ever uh this one uses a thunderbolt e-gpu thing and it has kind of like a laptop embedded in it i uh i would say that thunderbolt 3 slash thunderbolt e-gpu thing and it has kind of like a laptop embedded in it i uh i would say that thunderbolt 3 slash thunderbolt 4 with their bandwidth limitations have kind of reached the end of their useful life for external gpu setups these days but thunderbolt 5 looks very promising

it doubles or depending on the usage it's not really 100 clear to me right now i doubles or triples the available bandwidth which intel says should make it much better for e-gpu and i'm really excited about that because if we are not bottlenecked by you know lesser mobile gpu setups and we have a proper high speed link to it mobile cpus have gotten freaking fast like so close for non all core loads like games so close to their desktop counterparts that um no i think it could be very viable what do you foresee to be the biggest challenge tech or otherwise that you foresee the youth today having to deal with or comes to terms with? Oh, privacy. Privacy, they have none.

Everything they've ever said is documented somewhere, and that's going to come back and bite them. There's things that I'm glad are in my past. I mean, fewer for me than most because I'm so documented. I don't know if this is the parents or the kids, but I've kind of noticed, like, I don't know if this is the parents or the kids, but I've kind of noticed like a decent amount of them seem to be avoiding that fairly well. A lot of them also just super don't.

I think that this might be one of your little kind of sheltered things. Totally could be. Like the mainstream parents, a lot, a lot of them are just post everything. Yeah. I don't know, all right then well that sucks hey dll i work in the 12 volt industry of car stereos remote starts that kind of thing luke

have you looked at aftermarket options to get new features like android auto on your older car not extensively i know some fairly anecdotal evidence that people have had a hard time with that. I know someone who put Android Auto into the same model of Acura that I have and had so many problems with it that they ended up ripping it out. So based off of very weak anecdotal evidence

that I have from other people, I haven't bothered, that is the only thing... Yeah, someone in the chat, they all suck. It's like, yeah, I don't know. That is the only thing I'm interested in, though. We have a video coming on that. Yeah, Plouffe basically wants to take his...

He has the same Civic that I had, his 2003 Super Civic, and he wants to modern his he has like the same civic that i had his like 2003 super civic and he wants to modernize it and normally we don't really like do projects like that um but i was like i am super curious to know the answer to this and i consider the amount of extra work that i know you're going to do on this outside of hours to be more than worth what it costs us to like buy like a stupid android like head unit or something like that so sure let's do this as an experiment um yeah go go for it uh let's let's do it up let's let's modernize a 2003 honda civic i'm kind of excited about it because it'll either be like just a complete show or it'll be really awesome and people will learn a lot. Has Linus's workload decreased since stepping down?

It sounds like he has a lot less obligations overall. Thank you for the years of content. What do you think, Luke? No. Not at all. High LDL. It's like, hold on. I'll give an example.

Oh, my God. Do you know that meme where the person's trying to fit blocks into a thing? Oh, yeah. And they're like, usually it's like some new game or something on one block. And they're like, how do I make this fit? And you see them taking out the sleep block to put the new game in. I think that's a Shen comic.

Something like that, yeah. It's just, how do I make this work? Take out some duties, input more new ones. Like, you didn't, no workload was lost. I would even question, I think at certain points over the last little bit, it's been higher than it was before. Now the new things are fun,

so they can take up even more space. I don't necessarily know if that's the case i'm exhausted guys um it's been more work than before um a lot of what i've been doing is uh like i have a boss now i guess is probably the best way i could put it so i've always had a boss that was fun there was wasn't it literally tuesday there was a meeting where he was like i need this thing and you're like when am i supposed to do it he's like well i need it by this day and you were like okay i was like whoa i mean the thing is like it's a weird dynamic right because i pay him so what am i gonna do pay him to tell me stuff and not f***ing listen to him? What's the point of that?

How am I getting my money's worth? Do you see what I mean? This super weird power dynamic. It's like, well, I'm pretty much throwing away the money of him being employed here if I don't listen to him. So I guess, all right yes sir yeah and i mean there's some stuff that i've taken on for myself like i um somewhat

notoriously did not review our videos or watch them for many years ever yeah i don't think i ever watched our videos um and which is why like a lot of them would have like blatant especially in the early days they'd be like missing audio for stuff like that because i just hadn't looked at the footage at all i've just uploaded raw right of the camera um and lately i've been watching almost every video and providing detailed feedback on almost every video because it's not that I don't know how to review a video it's just that I find it to be I find it does not hold my attention very well as a as a task and I find I have found over the years that the better use of my time has been to be working on the next video. And that's just a mentality shift

that as an organization, we've been undergoing here. And I have had to kind of, I mean, I'm not CEO, but I still have to put on my leadership pants and and try to set a good example for so so I have been I've been reviewing every video. I've also been trying to convert a lot of those video reviews into SOPs, standard operating procedures that can be used to make our videos better in the longer term. So like here's an example of something from a recent one. I have like a doc that I put, it's called process improvements for pre slash post slash production. Um, so here's one that I wrote, um, that I called visual intent. Um, this example, Oh, here, there's a better look. Uh, this example is a dense wall of texts that adds very little to what the host is saying. Nothing

is highlighted, making it hard to parse. So it's not a type one. It adds very little to what the host is saying. Nothing is highlighted, making it hard to parse, so it's not a type 1. It adds very little to what the host is saying, so it's not type 2, and it's definitely not entertaining, which rules out type 3. It also lingers unnecessarily. And what I'm doing here is I'm defining how our visual guidance should... the purpose our visual guidance should serve. It should be reinforcing,

supplemental, or entertaining. And we have to make sure that we're editing with intent slash purpose rather than just throwing a visual onto the frame for the purpose of having a visual. And so things like this, I think, are in the long term going to make a big difference, but in the meantime are a ton of work, a ton of work for me. So yeah, no, I'm really tired. Yeah, so that's probably not the answer that you really wanted, but... I mean, you know what?

It's one of those things, though, where people see what they want to see right uh you know we've talked about all the comments from people whether it's after these are so much better now now that Linus has so much energy because he has a new CEO or these videos are so much better now after the production break it's so different um you know that's that's not necessarily the case you know some of the some of the ones post-production break, I haven't reviewed, and that doesn't mean that they're worse.

It just means that I didn't review them and I'm not like creating processes out of them. So if you guys, you know, want to see that, you know, Linus has help on the executive side and he's so much happier making videos, then yeah, you go ahead and see that. If that makes you enjoy the videos more,

then I don't want to contradict it. But you know, no, I'm tired. It turns out that my job is a job there was a while there when it was pretty common that linus and i would play games after work and now that like doesn't happen because every time i reach out to him he's like i'm working yeah my my day yesterday uh started with calls and then was an all-day amd ultimate tech upgrade shoot and or maybe i'm getting my days confused because the days have grown very confusing well this was wednesday it started with calls then i had an all-day amd ultimate upgrade shoot then i drove to the office to shoot the iphone 15 pro and pro max short circuit and then i got home around 10.30 or 11. And then yesterday was...

Oh, man, I'm going to struggle to remember what happened yesterday. No. Wait, yes? Oh, my gosh, I don't even know. What happened yesterday? Yesterday. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, we shot a sequel to the tech shop.

We went through the stuff. Jordan, you guys have seen him, but he hasn't really said much on camera. He helped me with the all-TeamU gaming setup. So he co-hosts for the first time as, like, alongside, like he co-hosts for the first time as like a like a alongside like co-host of the video and we did dueling gaming setups can it run crisis you know we throwback throwback meme um and we had kind of a fun rule set for it where kind of uh like draft

style almost we each had to pick a category of product one at a time. So rather than just being a mad rush to go get stuff, we took Post-it notes and wrote all the things that you need, CPU, motherboard, GPU, power supply, all that kind of stuff. We had five flare items that we could put in there. And then at each pick, we have to reveal what the next thing that we're going to get is so we both picked items in different orders so that means that if one of us picked cpu like drafted cpu very early on then we could get the first pick of the cpus but the other might pick

gpu and might go for that so it's going to be really fun really fun video so i shot that and then i did something else. And then I had my badminton class for a couple hours. And then I went home and I reviewed two videos and then I slept. So it's been basically like that pretty constantly. Yeah, I did manage to play two hours of Baldur's Gate 3 with Yvonne. That was on either. I think that was on Monday or Tuesday.

You had two free hours. I can usually tell how busy Linus's life is by how much he wants to play games because he'll he'll bug me he'll be like hey little man wants to play whatever or something and it's like okay cool yeah let's figure that out and then that'll happen for like a little while and then something will happen at work and then suddenly that goes away i have played i have played some games lately though i just haven't been playing multiplayer games because the hours that oh yeah that's fair the hours i've been available to play have been very unusual i'll see you jump online and start playing something as i'm going to bed yeah and i'm a night owl because i've because i've been working until then and you need some amount of

time to cool down before you go to bed i actually do so i i mean i played all the way through chained echoes yeah and i actually just finished sea of stars the other night yeah yeah it's a really short game little man wants to play i'm not talking about him oh my god yeah no that's our that's that's our uh internet safe nickname for for my son yeah um yeah so i finished sea of Stars. I have a lot of thoughts. Some of them I can't really share without spoilers. It's a really short game. It's a small game in a small world, but it's a very beautiful game.

The music is absolutely incredible. I have a thing about Starfield that is an omega spoiler, so I can't say what it is, but I will say that I think it is one of the worst narrative decisions that I've seen in a video game potentially in my entire life. Isn't that like a huge thing that everyone hates on? I've like heard that there's a thing in Starfield that's really bad.

I'm trying to avoid it, so I don't know. I hope so, but I don't know i got it hope so but i don't know yeah it's like actually just stunningly stupid i don't know yeah my big thing with games is i hate it when they i hate it when they wimp out and actually novels too i um there's this uh there's this it's like a it's like a, it's like a Christian series of novels. It's, um, called the wing feather saga. And it's kind of, it's Christian in the same, not even to the same degree, but in a similar sense that like CS Lewis's work is sort of like, like the Chronicles of Narnia is like a Christian allegory or whatever, but you can absolutely enjoy them regardless of, you know, any kind of belief in Christianity, Judaism or whatever else.

And what I think it does really well is it keeps the stakes high. You know, when, and this is something that happens relatively, you know, not towards the end, you know one of one of the characters suffers an affliction like a really life-changing awful affliction and there is no magic vial that you can just get and then is it's better um and i i feel like so much modern media particularly for kids like these are kids books um so i read them to my kids like so much modern media, particularly for kids, like these are kids books. So I read them to my kids. So much modern media shies away from that.

It's like, no, no, there's, but then there was a cure-all or then they were resurrected. Don't worry. Yeah, that one's pretty rough. Yeah. I will throw somewhat of a counter in here that i so i i agree with your statement but i also kind of equally dislike when the writing i i feel like they get to a point they're like i have to be edgy and gritty with this so i'm just gonna like kill somebody off for like absolutely no reason out of nowhere and it whatever i don't know this is this is something that i had a huge problem

with in starcraft 2 i thought you you were going to say Star Wars, whatever the stupid crappy middle one was. Oh, there's plenty of those in there. Where everyone just sacrifices themselves constantly. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Star... Oh, man.

I just remembered when they're... What's his name? I don't remember any of the names because I don't even want to, but he's driving out to go like smash into them in like the field of sand that turns red when you walk on it or whatever and then the chick like smashes into his thing to be like no but then they're gonna die anyways and it's just like what's happening anyways sorry um no in starcraft 2 there's this character named tychus. Isn't Tychus from the first one? I think he's in both.

There's a bunch of characters that are in both. Most of the main characters, I think, are in both. And he's like stuck in his blue armor. Yeah, Tychus Finley. He can't get out. Oh, no, introduced in Starcraft 2. Did I play the campaign? It's pretty old at this point.

Might have. I don't know. I just i know the name so i might have told you this story before because it annoys me so much that's fair um uh but he he just gets killed off and it's like there's this whole narrative thing like the whole game where it's like the carrigan this game's i was gonna say are they just trying to recreate like the carrigan moment where you're like no not carrigan i kind of think so like carrigan is finally saved oh why but tycus is like paid off to to kill her and whatever his name is the other main character jim raynor yeah raynor is like with carrigan so rainer wants to save kerrigan tycus wants to kill kerrigan tycus goes to kill kerrigan and then rainer's like nope and just

headshots him even though they were bros the entire time and i was like no real effort was put into like can we get him out of the suit there was no like can we fake kerrigan's death it was just like nope i guess tycus is just gonna die now and it was like okay can i just jump in and say that it bothers me a lot in video game cut scenes in games where everyone is constantly shooting at each other with bullets yeah and then it's a one shot and then it's a one-shot. And then it's a one-shot in a cutscene. It's a totally irrational thing. It doesn't matter, but it kills my immersion.

Yeah. Totally destroys my sense of, my suspension of disbelief. And, you know, honestly, it's the same thing for swords. Like, you play a Final Fantasy game, and you'll have the entire team with their giant, you know, honestly, it's the same thing for swords. Like, you play a Final Fantasy game, and you'll have the entire team with their giant, you know, 39-pound sword, like, and then there's a cutscene. You get, like, one shot by a backstab or something.

And there's, like, a tiny little knife, and it's like, oh, I'm bleeding so much from this tiny wound that I... In this game that has resurrection, but let's ignore that part. Yeah. Yeah What is the point of Phoenix's if the down doesn't pick them the back up? One that was worse to me was I was playing Diablo 3 and they kill off Deckard Cain But it's just like so random and doesn't serve like anything. You're just kind of like,

you walk into some house. If I remember, it's been a long time, but you walk into some house and it's just like, he's dead. And there's no like, oh my effing G Deckard Cain is dead and we're playing Diablo. It's just like time to move on.

Guess he's dead. Everybody else dies. It's fine. I'm just like, man, like like use this moment make it more impactful like if if if tychus and uh rainer really really really tried for a long time and like wrestled with this thing and like there was no there was no other option than they have like this duel like sure okay but no bang i don't know it's just so like there's no payoff it feels like they just deleted this character because they were like uh uh we should probably have that because this is like a story for adults so somebody's gonna die it's like yeah sure but it should like

be written well cosmos 47 are you talking about crosscode okay hold up that's actual realism tarkov style his example however is in a game where it's not like that yeah if it's in a game where bullets do bullet things then yeah that's fine but if it's in a game where bullets are made out of bunny farts then it's not really applicable yeah then then it's then it's it's it's contradictory like it's you're playing halo and you just finished the campaign after taking 87 000 bullets and then somebody one shots you in a cut scene. It's like. I don't get it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's, it's silly. I, I, I, are you a, oh, okay.

Are, are you, are you a super powerful space ranger or are you just like a guy? Yeah. It's like, what's going on? That's not a very good example necessarily. Cause I don't know that that happens in Halo,

but either answer is fine. All I ask is for it to be consistent yeah high ldl cholesterol i'm a third year pharma student in cincinnati ohio i think that's a it's a protein chain or something uh did avon did avon's learning background help her learn finances quicker from being in a pretty heavy field of sorting out information? I wouldn't say that. I would say Yvonne's aptitude for intaking data, organizing it, keeping it organized, and being just extremely detail-oriented helped her be good at both pharmacy and finance. helped her be good at both pharmacy and finance. Hi guys, first time merch message.

Is there any notable difference in preference for merch that you guys see between regions? That's a great thing that we should track. That's interesting, actually. I'm amazed you don't. Well, I mean, the data's there. You could add that after you add podcasting. What would we add into Flow to full play dan stop it hey luke linus and dan love the show do you see 12 gigabit cards uh 12 gigs of vram being enough for 2k ultra settings in most games for the next few years or are we approaching times where 12

gigs isn't enough uh yeah i think it'll be fine for the next few years. But that also depends on what the mid-console generation refreshes look like. We haven't seen this before, and I don't know how it's going to change the requirements for games. What we know is that developers are going to target whatever the latest generation of games that they can sell against are. So there's going to be a delay from when that generation launches to when we really take the most advantage of it so you can kind of look to console hardware to guide what your pc spec might need to be plus some because it'll run in a lot of cases less efficiently on pc and or it'll allow you to crank the details up more on pc so you might want to overkill it a little bit so with that in mind then, then, if the PS5 and the Xbox Series X are what we've got for consoles for the next little bit, yeah,

I would expect to get a couple more years, at least a few more years out of a video card like that, knowing that even if those console refreshes happen, we're probably not going to have developers actually building games to target them, or releasing the games that they're building to target them until a year or two after they launch. I mean, Sony, they do a better job of launch games, but especially on the Microsoft side, yeah, maybe not quite as much. And that's just kind of a good general rule. So we saw this explosion in the demandingness of games

over the last couple of years, but that's not an accident. That's not a mystery. That's just because we got high-end consoles a few years ago that game developers were like, all right, let's go. And they started building games for them. And then all of a sudden we needed faster PCs. Yeah, I want to interject really quick.

Papa Trotsky, I admit I put Halo out there as like an example for the damage thing. I wasn't actually trying to go after Halo. I was just trying to talk about like the time to kill in Halo games. But Papa Trotsky pointed out Halo Reach, I think ended the right way. The ending is a super long battle that ends with a cut scene of the character slowly getting beat up before getting overwhelmed and killed. And honestly, yeah, it's sad and it's brutal but it's like well framed and yes it's something that happens in a cut scene but you like are absolutely overwhelmed and you feel it before it happens and when the cut scene happens it's like yep this was gonna happen like it was so it's like yeah it's

rough but it like it's properly rough it makes you feel and understand the rough it's not just this like out of nowhere poorly written dumb thing yeah and people reference the ending of that game like all the time as something that's really really well written um yeah jane halo reach everyone dies and everything is hopeless nine out of of 10 game. Yeah, exactly. Like it can, you can be super rough with something, but it's really well written. So you care about it and you're invested and all that kind of stuff. And cool. Good. Yeah. I don't mind when games kill off or, or movies or books or whatever. I don't mind when they kill off characters. I just think it should be worth it. Um, and I find in a, in a, in a bunch of games in particular,

it's often like not, I feel like it's done just to be edgy, especially I find Blizzard is an extremely bad example. Well, they had a lot of really good success with that. Yeah, and then I think it just became like a, we're just gonna do this by default. Yeah, like Arthas or Kerrigan or or which were both fantastic examples of it going well actually i don't think like does anyone uh like even arthas killing his dad like okay yeah there wasn't a ton of blah blah but that was a

mechanic to show him losing it and like transitioning over all this like it were it was good yeah it was written well it's it's very memorable moment his dad doesn't like have some crazy last stand or anything but it's a very important point in the story it's not just like deckard cain is dead in a room and you walk away like i i don't know and you also care right yeah You have to care. I mean, I cared when Deckard Cain was dead, but I cared because I was mad because they did it so poorly. Instead of caring. That's absolutely not what I meant. I know, I know.

I'm caveating. That is the worst kind, yeah. Yeah, someone's going to say that in chat. Someone's getting ahead of it. Good. Let's see. We've got one here for Linus. Linus, is it true that you can leap over a chair from

the standing position no what well okay wait hold on what kind of chair yeah like one of those little tykes uh little chairs it's a small probably folding chair uh okay well how what do you mean by leap like i could go head first over it no no no no you're gonna like you're gonna be standing and you're going to jump over it. And then you're going to go back and also be standing. Absolutely no way. I bet you. Wait, what kind of chair?

Like a folding chair? You know, a chair. You know, a default chair. What's a default chair? I mean, I couldn't do this chair. No, that's not a default chair. What's a, okay. Are you talking like a folding auditorium chair?

Yeah, sure. Yeah, something like that. Like those metal folding chairs. Default chair. There's no way I could do that. You know how short I am, right? Does that matter? No, I guess your vertical should be...

No, your vertical should be... No, yeah. Longer legs, you might be able to jump higher. You have more time to apply a force. I don't know the physics of jumping. I think longer legs helps with jumping. Yeah, well, I am 5'6". I don't know i don't know the physics of jumping i think longer legs uh legs helps with jumping yeah well i i am five six and my legs are short like i have i'm a stumpy stumpy leg five six like when we sit next to each other our height difference does not look like

that much from our torsos how tall would it be here i have no no idea. I don't know. I haven't even seen one of those in like a long time. That's pretty high. Yeah. No. I feel like if you had a run, like a standing jump is really hard. You get about two steps, but I mean, you kind of, I don't think you have like the sweater. Is it standing or steps? You're just making things up as you go, Dan.

Is this even a merch message or are you just trying to taunt Linus? No, I don't know. I don't think Linus looks enough like Bill Gates to be able to jump over a chair. What is this reference? Bill Gates jumping over a chair. Is that a thing? It's a thing, yeah. Okay.

That's what the message was talking about. I don't know. Okay, well, hold on a second. Oh, okay. Way too high. Apparently I was far too high. Yeah, it was probably too high. Hold on, hold on.

Bill Gates. Google it. Could you jump on the table? Is this just like a thing that we can find? Yeah. What really happened when Bill Gates jumped the chair? Oh, I see. I've become obsessed with this video.

Okay, so wait, hold on. Where's the video? Okay, so just hold on, hold on. Depends on the size of the chair. Okay, but it's below his waist. That's quite the jump. But first of all, the position of the chair matters, because if you're jumping over the back of the chair,

I think it's going to be harder. And he jumped over the front of the chair i think it's going to be harder um and he jumped over the front of it and also it's it's uh i think it's shorter than i expected okay it is quite the jump though never jumped the chair what am i what am i have you seen the video i have the video on my screen. I clearly need to watch this. Here. Okay. I don't know moving on they're just the most confused people i've ever seen

i don't know exclusive of lines trying to jump over better have a helmet on yeah hello ls versus ll arm wrestle live on wan luke size uh known strength versus linus's badminton conditioning and honey badger determination i'll do it but my honey badger determination is going to do nothing for me i'm going to get absolutely crushed here watch this just watch this hold. Watch this. Just watch this. Hold on. Hold on. Watch this. Okay. Hold on. Okay. What am I doing? What's happening? That's actually impressive. Okay. This is this man's forearm. Oh my God. You know what? I don't think we need to bother. I don't need to get hurt right now. I wouldn't hurt you.

You would destroy you. You just sit there like this. Maybe like drink some water. Have a conversation. Hello DLL. My local and- I'm not big, okay? Okay.

dll my local i'm not big okay my local and only isp switch to a pay-per-gig model my average bill for my family is now 278 dollars have you explored what it would take to start an isp like at a remote lmg compound perhaps honestly at this point you like basically can't um you're just going to be piggybacking off of somebody else and at that point a decent amount of your price is going to be dictated by the market um so i don't know sorry if that's a really disappointing answer linus what is your favorite Wancho snack? I think... Available? Your most common one is ketchup chips. Yeah, I think that's just because they're there, though.

I would never buy ketchup chips. When they're there, I'm all like, ooh, ketchup chips, and then I eat them, and then I feel bad. But you had like three bags. Two. Two bags? Two bags, and i feel doubly bad hey guys just saw the new sci-fi movie the creator which inspires the question do you think which inspires this question do you think you'll see ai reach full sentience in your lifetimes

and if you do would you be more excited or scared? Sentience? Ah, it's so hard to define. Solipsism? Who's alive, really? Is your mic open? Yeah. Okay, good.

It just turns into philosophy at that point, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. I don't know um don't don't say that in flow plane chat that's evil what filthy canadians and ketchup chips how dare you no no you can't you can't mention that i don't even know what you're talking about oh rocko's basilisk no lu, what are you doing? You don't want people going down rabbit holes? Ugh, damn it. What, Dan?

What's going on? You're dooming thousands of people to a future of hell and torment. Damn, dude. Hey, cold. Okay, up next. It is what it is. It is what it is. Luke, why do you stream your Starfield gameplay on Twitch and not on Goatplane, the superior live streaming platform?

Do you want me to be a creator on Floatplane? I don't know. I don't care. I don't. I only take quality. I don't think you have enough subscribers to do well on our platform. I wouldn't. But that's actually a thing. I'm applying the same type

of logic we would for for other creators technically i do have a channel on on flowplane but it's like a development channel more or less um but i i would not pull enough people for it to make a ton of sense just to be like completely honest um honest I don't know I also don't want accounting to have to deal with the like six dollars a month I'm gonna be like it's just I just I don't think it makes a lot of sense I don't take that offensively I don't want people I just realize we're talking about it right now I'm not very interested in promoting it much. I don't really care about it. I don't even follow a schedule.

They are bad quality streams. I do not try to make them entertaining. I'm literally just sitting there doing what I would do anyways. I don't even suggest that you watch. There you go. What a sales pitch. Yeah, I don't want it to like... It's trying to reverse psychology. I don't even suggest that you watch There you go. What a sales pitch. Yeah, I don't psychology I don't even want that don't watch this stream You will actually be bored and just leave and that's fine with me to be completely honest

All right speaking of bored and just leaving I'm out Terrible sales pitch you saw bye Peace out. Bye!