The WAN Show - We Know Why No One's Watching LTT - WAN Show September 19, 2025

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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or go to explorevolvo.com. it's friday afternoon somewhere what's up everyone and welcome to the wandshow we've got a great show lined up for you guys this week oh wow where do we even start ah yes the youtube viewpocalypse which is real or isn't real or is caused by youtube or is caused by ad blockers guess what it's over except it isn't and we have the answers except people disagree we don't yeah in other news what invidio just invested five bills five billion dollars in intel which they're going to use to oh okay bury a md that actually checks out that seems like the kind of plan in video would

have what else we've got going up we've got a susan gaming laptops that have apparently been broken since 2021 and also someone made a Linus size screwdriver note does that mean that it's really small or that it's the size of a human a small human

we'll never know well we'll know soon The show is brought to you today by Odu, Vessy, and AMD, alongside, of course, our Rapp Partner Dbrand, our laptop partner Dell, and our chair partner Secret Lab. That's right, folks, you may have noticed there is a new WAN intro. That's going to be our super, super rapid fire first topic. It was made by.

Reddit, oh, whoops, uh, Linus Laptop. What are you doing? I think, I think my screen share is broken. Thanks, Dan. Uh, was made by Reddit user, trouble in my brain. I mean. Fantastic name. Yeah.

They are on Reddit, so it makes sense. It was a pretty chaotic, uh, was a pretty chaotic sort of intro. So I, I guess I could agree. I could agree with that. Dude, okay, we're going off the rails already on the show this week. I have a serious problem. problem with Reddit. There was yet another thread on Reddit earlier this week asking, yes, here we go, there. Thank you. Trouble in my brain. There was a thread on Reddit, yet another

thread on Reddit this week, asking where the mod mat is. As I have said before, the mod mat will come when it is ready. It's like a wizard. It arrives exactly when it intends to. And one of the top upvoted responses to, you know, why is the mod mat late was from some random fucking person whose response was, I think it's because of pending legal action between gamers Nexus and Linus Tech Tips. And this response had the most upvotes. And I basically responded and I said, hey, um, you have no idea what you're talking about. And I got intensely downvoted. And they responded saying, I said, I think.

And I'm kind of sitting here going, okay. But just because you think does not therefore mean you are. It just means that you had a keyboard. That's literally, it's so irresponsible. And yes, you have said, I think. but it's kind of like, it's kind of like if I were to, you know, take a public figure. Let's choose someone beloved so that we can all be sure that I don't mean any of this. It's like if I were to take a public figure like Keanu Reeves and say,

I think Keanu Reeves actually hate dogs and would never fight to defend his dog's honor and avenge his dog if his dog died. I think he probably, I think he probably destroys SPCA's in his free time, allegedly. That's still, that's still stoking a flame that there's no reason for it to exist for no reason whatsoever other than just that you had a random, literally random thought that you know absolutely nothing about and you posted it on the internet. and the really horrible thing about Reddit is that by people upvoting this, and I realize this is probably not going to be a revelation

to people who use Reddit or the Internet in general regularly, but by posting it to Reddit, the crappy thing about the way that platform works is that all it takes is for a bunch of people who are realistically, not reading very carefully, to go, ah, I don't know, yeah, that seems like kind of plausible. And it adds credibility to it, but there was no credibility

you are a random person who knows literally fucking nothing about the situation and just set a random thing that you pulled out of your ass and now now that's a thing that exists no that's not happening

and if you don't know what is going on with something here's an idea just take your keyboard and put it away I'm like please don't perpetuate stuff like that because like it's it's we're fine right now and that would be really great if it can continue and stuff like that

does not it's utterly unhelpful yeah you've you've literally done nothing that could have any kind of positive impact to anyone the only possible outcome is negativity that's the only possible outcome um and it's it's it's pretty it's it's just frustrating because i see so much stuff like this um on our subreddit and it's it i think people know that while we do have some staff that are on the moderation team of the subreddit, we don't actually really moderate, except in areas that could be around, like, employee safety, for instance. So we tend to just kind of leave it be, but it's stuff like this that makes me tempted to kind of go, yeah, maybe we should just take a more active role in moderating this. And when we see

people speculating about, you know, why someone departed the company, for instance, we just immediately bend them, because you literally shouldn't be talking about it. You actually don't know. And a lot of the time lately, and it's been interesting to watch, right? Because it basically just ebbs and flows according to how the community is just like feeling. When the community is feeling really negative towards LTT, the speculation will all be that, you know, Linus is narcissistic and the company's horrible and it's a horrible place to work. and when the community is just kind of like feeling pretty good

then it's all going to be oh I mean maybe it was just their time and the company did nothing wrong almost always it is more nuanced than that because as it turns out people and their situations don't fit into tidy little boxes

and what you should really do if you don't know is shut the fuck up that's the best thing to do if you just actually have no idea what you're talking about I mean there was there was that weird thread about my travel. This is

extremely unimportant, but it's just a funny example. Like there was a thread that was titled So to get this straight, Luke traveled from Munich on a non-sleeper night train with changes from Munich to Berlin to fly to Frankfurt. And it was flaming me and then it

transitioned into flaming the person who books our business travel and it got multiple edits, but like the title stayed the same. and the initial information stayed the same and eventually someone like a few people responded with like what actually happened because it was clarified in the show the person just didn't watch far enough or maybe they only watched the clip and I don't know if the clarification was in the clip of like why it had to happen that way but somebody responded with like it was probably this which was you know what actually happened where that was pre-booked and I booked my other stuff later on and the flights from Berlin to where I was actually going really really bad. so I had to go through Munich and like they figured kind of everything out but that probably had after probably had seven up votes because the storm of people being outraged at how

stupid you were or how stupid Vance is had already taken place and it's like brunt well no my my biggest thing actually is that the the edit went in and the person like to all credit to the op to be completely honest they recognize and in their edit they said I guess it shows maybe I should listen more carefully next time. Nice. Which is an admittance that like almost no one would do. So like, oh yeah, but he's speculated on legal action like doubled down in the response. Yeah.

I said I think. Yeah. So like I have to give O.P credit here for saying that. But I did note that after that edit, it says edit important and it clarifies what actually happened. The post got 300 more upvotes. When that edit came in, it was at 1700. or at least that's when I first saw it.

It might have even been earlier. And then I saw it rise up to 2K, which means that there was probably some people that saw the edit and were downvoting it. And there was just that many more people that upvoted it. So it's just like it perpetuates this thing that like, you know, Vance and I have no idea what we're doing. And it's like, no, that's like really not what happened.

Which to be clear, I'm at least 50% behind. Like Vance seems pretty competent, but you, I'm, dude, come on. I don't, yeah, I don't know. I don't really do complicated travel. More than one out of the last five shows. Can't even find his chair from Secret Lab, our chair partner. Not even using his laptop from our laptop partner, Dell. Do you even have a D-brand skin on you right now?

I do. I do. I do. All right. 33%. That ain't bad. Yeah, I got it. We're good. It ain't great.

But it could be worse. I mean, I don't really care. It impacts my life pretty much not at all. if people think I know how to take trains and planes properly or not. Or automobiles. They were all involved. But it's just, it's just, it's just funny. Because something that was just like clearly incorrect took off.

And it just gets all this momentum. Yep. Yeah. Yep. And it's very hard to change momentum, which is something that we've gone through. It doesn't matter what the, what the nuance is, what the facts are after. a momentum storm has already taken place. And I just, I don't, I don't know how to fix that because it seems like people like it that way.

That is what makes our, that's what makes our lizard brains, our tribalistic instincts, satisfied. Okay, there's just one more thing that I'm going to rant about before I swear we're actually going to start this show. Ah, man, thankfully this isn't a Reddit thread, but Osama in floatplane chat says, Linus thinks eggshell color paint is ideal yet did not use it for scrapyard wars okay a couple things here, paint rent incoming eggshell

we're going to need a shirt for this or something egg shell is not a fucking color have you ever seen an egg okay have you ever opened a pack of eggs okay check this out

okay check this there is no such thing as egg color those are eggs these are eggs these are even eggs there is no egg color some of those might be AI eggs this might be fake news your fake news

egg shell is a paint finish it is a surface sheen and it is roughly like an eggshell where it has a little bit of shine but is more forgiving of surface imperfections than like a semi-gloss or a gloss. Okay? Thank you.

I am ready to calm down now and move into our next topic, which will surely keep me calm. The YouTube viewpocalypse where our viewership plummeted and we were having thoughts of existential risk for our entire livelihood and the 100 plus people who work here

and there were tough conversations going on about like what would it mean if our viewership was actually down to half of what it is and it turns out that it was all YouTube's fault and then it turns out it wasn't, I'm going to have to just read the notes on this one because buckle in, this has been a wild ride and it's involved us, multiple members of the community. I'm not going to name them, you know,

because of, you know, their privacy and also they don't necessarily want to be public figures. But it has involved people that we know at YouTube. It has involved people in the ad blocking community. Let's get started. It seems like the YouTube viewpocalypse may not be YouTube's fault. Allegedly, I think. Eh?

See that? See that? Anyway, on Monday, September 15th, YouTube finally addressed concerns over view tracking that were raised by multiple creators over the last few weeks, saying in a blog post, that it investigated the issue. TLDR is, and again, this shows why speculation can be extremely unhelpful. It has nothing to do with restricted mode, which was something that many users and some creators

were speculating, and restricted mode is completely optional. It's a manual setting and has nothing to do with the recent age verification rollout. YouTube also stated that their viewership systems are working correctly and that they're There is no systemic issue that is impacting creators. Possible causes of view count drops include a return to baseline after a view spike, normal fluctuations and viewing habits. That was one of the first things that one of my contacts that YouTube brought up is that we actually do tend to have a bit of a September hangover once the students go home for the summer. Go back to school, which is not where their homes are unless they go to boarding school. But either way it wouldn't be for the summer.

It would be for the fall. Anyway, competition from other channels and topics. And this is usually the response that I get from YouTube whenever I bring up issues with our viewership. They basically say, get good. And I say, okay, I'll do my best, yes, sir. And number four, this was kind of like slipped in there. Update to ad blockers that could be impacting view count accuracy. Hmm, oddly specific compared to the other three, which are basically just like, yeah, you know, seasonality, also get good.

The previous day, MMO YouTuber Josh Strife Hayes pointed out that his views from specifically computer users fell off a cliff, which would be consistent with the going theory that YouTube stopped counting views from devices that had ad block installed, which usually tend to be computers, since this may surprise our viewers, but most people, even the ones who are capable of installing a browser extension, are either too lazy or, or not technically proficient enough to install ad blocking on their mobile devices. I would say, just to interject really quick, if you want a, like,

if you want a longer video to, like, explain everything that's going on, his video specifically, I think is, like, the most well-encompassing right now. I haven't necessarily seen all of them, but his is really good. Josh also theorized, like Google did, that a change on the ad blocker side could be to blame. name. Then on Tuesday, September 16th, GitHub user Skritchi, how do

I pronounce that? I think you know what? There's an X in there. I'm going to treat it as a variable. Their name is Scratchy. Identify a change to Easy List, specifically its affiliated Easy Privacy List, which is used by multiple ad blockers, letting them know what to block. Through

their own testing, Scratchy found that this change appeared to block YouTube's view counters. which was then corroborated by YouTube's Jeff Gehrling, Theo Joe, and probably some other very awesome people. Although ad block users could let YouTube register their views by simply disabling the easy privacy list in most popular ad blockers, Scratchy also published a custom filter that lets YouTube's view-tracking URL through

but leaves the rest of the easy privacy list enabled so users can let YouTube count their views while still protecting their privacy. Because, and this is a fun fact, most ads are also trackers. and by most I mean like technically some aren't but you might as well assume they all are as of Wednesday September the 17th the easy privacy list is not filtering the YouTube view tracker however some maintainers including Ryan B.R. slash fanboy still think that easy privacy wasn't related to the YouTube issue at all. Is this the is this the link to the somewhat spicy No, okay, there was some spicy discussion that took place on GitHub,

but this doesn't appear to be that spicy. I think it's a different thread. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Maintainters for EasyList, U-Block origin, and other tools are still testing ways for ad blockers to balance, ad-blocking and privacy protection, sorry, sorry, Freudian slipped there, while also allowing YouTube to detect views properly. So the immediate crisis may be over, or it might not be. We probably need more data.

There's also some funky stuff where like, and I believe this has gone through in Josh Rife Hayes' video, I don't remember, but like even YouTube premium member viewership was impacted here because even if you had YouTube premium, but then also ran ad block, which is a setup that I know a few people do. Yep. The telemetry data was still blocked. That's even a setup. that we've talked about how it definitely supports creators

because from our understanding of it, it did support creators effectively better than allowing ads to run. And it did. And it turns out that, man, this re-opens the whole ad block piracy conversation in a way that honestly is giving me like PTSD shakes. I saw some really interesting discussions. A lot of people don't really know how it works, I think.

There was a discussion saying, like, oh, okay, but this, like, doesn't really affect them at all. So, like, why should I care? Because revenue is flat. It's like, yeah, AdSense revenue is, but, like, not other things. Like, we've, our sponsors, as far as my understanding goes, have been really cool about this. But especially if there's a sponsor looking at a prospective channel. I think it's more that our business team are hard asses. Oh, well, hell, yeah.

I'm sorry, you want a discount because we're getting less views? No. You didn't get an up count when we got more views? I don't know, whatever. But yeah, it's if there's a, and the sponsors that we currently have can look at, you know, referral rates that they had in the past and notice that like nothing really changed and then things are fine. If you're a sponsor looking at a prospective channel, your surface level view of them is often their view count. So if you're looking around and trying to view things and you see a tech creator, which might have a higher percentage of people running ad block, it's going to look worse.

This did hit all of YouTube, but it disproportionately hit more tech savvy audiences. It doesn't necessarily mean tech specifically, but it does mean tech savvy audiences. Makers, people who are going to modify their things. more often, are more likely to throw in something like an ad block than someone who doesn't even know that the like extensions for browsers even exist, which is a thing. Which is a very significant proportion of the population. Yeah. And I just want to make it clear because there seem to be a lot of people who are still

super confused about my stance on ad blocking. I don't use them. I have a policy internally here at work that we are not allowed to use. them because it feels pretty hypocritical for us to, you know, make our livelihoods off of ads and not, you know, support the other channels and websites and services that we use in the same way that we expect to be supported. But as far as, you know, whether other people should use ad lock, we have always said that that's a personal choice. Luke and I have always owned that there were times in our lives that we pirated all manners of different kinds of content,

whether for financial reasons or otherwise. And we've always maintained it's a personal choice. The only thing that I've ever asked people to consider is the very, very simple fact that ad blocking is circumventing the method of payment that exists for the content, so is functionally piracy, and you need to understand the impact of your actions. If you want the services and the content that you obfutable,

enjoy enough to watch to exist, then you're either part of it continuing to exist or you're part of it not continuing to exist. And there could be an impact there. There might not be. We luckily have diversified our business in such a way that our revenues from LTT store, for instance, actually exceed now our revenues from like Google AdSense by a country mile. But this is something that disproportionately impacts smaller creators. I mean, back when this viewpocalypse first hit, I was chatting with Dan about it after Wancho because Luke, you know, doesn't see fit to just even be in the office with us anymore.

So he wasn't part of the conversation, but Dan was saying that he'd spoken with a couple of small creators already who were basically like, yeah, I mean, if this is it, if this is new normal, I'm back to my day job because this is not sustainable for me. I talk to a lot of people. non- insignificant amount of people that reached out because they were like, I really hope you have some information because if you don't, I might be quitting this as a profession. That was a probably close to double-digit amount of different creators. I'm not even kidding.

Very large percentage. This was terrifying for people. It hit our niche harder than probably anyone, or at least close to it. Yeah. And like the whole get good thing from from YouTube, I can't be too mad about that. I get it. Sometimes, honestly, they're just right. Yeah, YouTube is, it's a meritocracy mostly, with asterisks. Yeah. And like I honestly understand their response.

At first I was kind of annoyed, to be honest, that it was buried in a blog post. It was buried at the bottom of a blog post and stuff. But they have an interesting problem because there are creators complaining about views right now that this didn't affect that much. So how do they deal with this? Because if they say, oh, it was just ad block, then all those creators that didn't have a ton of ad blocking in their audiences might expect their views to come back. Yep. But they might not because they might need to get good. Yeah.

So it's tough because YouTube is YouTube, as always. So you're competing against everyone all the time. Your niche is also competing against everyone, like as a unit. because if you get suddenly really interested in some, I don't know, 3D printing, there's a 3D printer back there, if you get really interested in 3D printing, you might get suggested other 3D printing channels as well. So like your niche is competing as a whole, your channel is competing as an individual, and if all of this isn't fighting really hard for eyeballs, you're going to start falling behind. And like it's amazing how much people's interest in things can,

change over time. Take, for example, help with mortgage. This is an interest that obviously spiked, you know, after the 2008 financial crisis. And to the point that Luke and I have been talking about recently, how we're sort of terrified about what things are looking like economically right now, it has spiked again to the greatest interest in Google search results literally ever last month. Sorry to flashbang you guys with oh my God, what is going on right now. Yeah, there's some, I know, I've heard some

counters to that. I think it's legit, but some people are saying there's just more people on the internet than there were before. I mean, that could account for part of it, but I don't think that accounts for the changes since like July of 2019. One really interesting thing is if you look up foreclosure, it's not doing the same thing which makes me think that we are in the pre times yeah well they say you can't you can't know if you were in a recession until something like a year after it started or something like that um uh anyway all i know is i was talking to the l t store team about the plan for black

friday cyber monday and i was like hey guys this could be this could be a hurrah i don't want to say last hurrah because I think we're going to survive to hurrah again but it may be it may be one of our only hurrah opportunities for a little while until uh until things kind of settle uh yeah i mean i had a i had a conversation with someone recently about um they're saying they're talking about how like their viewership is still high but their conversions on things are going down and they were wondering why and I had the conversation about the insufficient funds error that we had been seeing and it was a it was like kind of a dark convo because like like what you're saying this might this might be a hurrah of sorts for context if people don't hold on for context

if you didn't watch that previous wandshow luke and i discussed how um there has been a significant measurable noticeable statistically significant uptick in people's non renewals of float plane being you to the specific error insufficient funds, which we laid out very clearly is not something that we want people going through to support us on float plane. We absolutely value your support, but if it's that tight, then we'd rather you buy food. And you can chart it out over time. The error rate goes like this. Yep.

So. Almost like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to be honest, I bet you it would try. that pretty accurately. So anyway, yeah, sorry, carry on. You were having the dark conversation. No, yeah, but part of the conversation was like, hey, I mean, if there isn't money out there, like, if the people don't have funds, they can't support you.

And we got into the conversation of like, where is it going first? Yeah. And credit cards, housing, food. It's been a rough time to be a canary. Yeah. Yeah, Jonathan posted in Philippine chat, he said canaries are dying left and right. It's like, yeah, this is, I mean, these are some of the first things to go, right? Like, entertainment usually does pretty well in recessions.

However, I feel like the way people spend on entertainment is really different. Like when we talk about entertainment as being kind of recession proof, one of the main industries where this comes up is the cinema, right? but cinema expenses are kind of like they're a night out you know they're a splurge item at any at any point right and people do tend to still want to kind of treat myself once in a while even when times are pretty tight and a movie you know a night at the movies oh I mean these days it's a little different but a night at the movies used to be like a pretty affordable treat myself you know whether it's a date or whether it's taking the kids out and Catching a few Zs at the matinee or, you know, whatever it is. It was relatively affordable. Whereas now, the way that we're talking about spending on entertainment, some, you know, I personally think the LTT screwdriver is a great tool that, you know, you should just buy if you need a fantastic screwdriver with the trust me bro warranty. But for a lot of people, that's like a $70, I want to support this channel expense. You know, it comes down to sort of how people are making that decision.

or it could be a $5 or a $10 a month subscription for behind the scenes and early access, like on float plane. I'm not singling out other creators just because I want to use ourselves as the example here. But there's lots of ways that the creator economy asks a lot more from you than necessarily a night at the movies. And it's a different kind of rationale. Like if times are tight, I might continue. to spend a bunch of money on OnlyFans,

but if I am, boy, is that ever terrible prioritization? I honestly suspect that might be one of the last things to go for a lot of people. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, even brought it up. I didn't want to hear you say that. Really, dude? Although, although,

although I do think that there will be a bit of a K-shaped to it. I think that the top creators are probably going to be the ones that survive, while the, you know, the other, like 98% that we're just barely sort of scraping by on the platform or doing it part-time, those are probably going to be the ones that are more impacted.

That does tend to be the way things go, is consolidation in these times. If I can throw my theory out there, it might differ slightly. And I could be super wrong here. But it might differ slightly because... Sorry, I just saw LMG community said, Bottom creators, pun intended. That's, that's... Are you a Ross?

Are you a Joey? But what I was going to say is, I suspect some people are using that platform for companionship at this point. And anyone that feels like they have a connection with the person, however obviously fake, is going to hold on to that. That's yikes. Anyway Did you want us to show these Lovely graph stand and bring things back on topic Or do we want to talk more about

Also do you have anything to add about the adpocalypse stuff Not particularly at the moment It's all a bit confusing Nice Yeah Who's fault is Have they been committed Have they been removed

Is it UBO? Is it temporary? Is it not? There's like an internal debate For these block lists And are we even fully back I don't know Because there's a pretty strong argument

For us only being partially back Yeah like have a look at this So here's where we see the decoupling Of our typical tracking Between desktop and mobile views So that's blue and green here So here's the viewpocalypse Where desktop views go

See you later buddy 10th August 11th Yep And then they're still I mean they're still not here and I don't believe that the LTT audience just like suddenly stop using computers as much. One thing is we may have been basically removed from the algorithm, right? Suddenly we're not getting any views.

So, okay, so I actually chatted with a fairly senior member of YouTube over that topic yesterday, because it occurred to me. In our dashboard, for instance, a lot of, the time it'll say things like hey this video is getting a lot of views because it appealed to your core audience so it's like gaining extra reach and i was like so um if our views aren't tracking properly does that impact the likelihood of our videos being suggested and gaining virality since they'll be recorded as low view videos and it was explained to me um and you know you have to always take everything, you know, not with a grain of salt, because this is someone that I believe

would be very honest with me. So I'm not saying that there's any sort of distrust. But you have to take everything through the lens of the person who's delivering it. And their lens is as someone who works in raw numbers and who is, who is, if you cut them open, would bleed red. But like, YouTube, you know. So they're, they're very, they're very, you know, pro the platform and, and justifiably so. They work hard to make it, in my opinion, this is my opinion now, the best video platform on the internet, full stop, period. YouTube is a technological marvel. I have called it the whateverth wonder of the world many times.

I think it is, I think it has all the importance of, like, the library of Alexandria in terms of the, the wealth of human knowledge and humanity that it contains, I love YouTube as a whole. It doesn't mean I love everything about it, and it doesn't mean that I can take absolutely everything that someone from YouTube says just through my own lens. It comes through their lens. So what they reminded me is that those little messages in the dashboard

do have to be dumbed down a fair bit to make it easy for the lowest common denominator YouTuber to understand. and also that the recommendation system is really centered around individual viewers, not around creators. When you upload a video, YouTube doesn't go, oh, there's some juicy new content. How can I get viewers to come look at it? Instead, it works the other way. When you log on to YouTube, YouTube goes, ooh, a juicy new viewer. What will they watch?

and it goes and it finds things from its content library and it serves it to them, it feeds them. So with that in mind, if somebody is consistently using an ad blocker, then that will skew their consumption recommendation relationship with the YouTube algorithm. And yes, Luke, I know exactly where you're going with this. What if there are certain channels that they predominantly watch on desktop? And that's where, you know, them having their YouTube hat means that they're not going to necessarily think about or care that much about that being kind of a big deal to someone like me, for instance. Because there are certain types of content that I'm way more likely to watch on TV and certain types of content that I'm way more likely to watch on my phone. Like you might watch, if you were into football, you might watch NFL content on your TV more than pretty much any other device because that's where that has been.

normalized for you over time. If you're on your computer thinking about computer stuff, you might be more likely to watch tech content. These are assumptions, but I think they're fairly rational. Yes. Anyway, that's enough inside baseball for today, I think. Let's talk about Nvidia investing $5 billion into Intel,

which seems to be the very bad news for one AMD. Although AMD has been kicking enough butt over the last five years that I'm, I'm kind of interested, I'm kind of interested to see the showdown. Anyway, let's get into the details. NVIDIA will invest $5 billion in Intel's common stock as part of a plan to jointly develop AI infrastructure and personal computing products. So it's been talked about endlessly how NVIDIA would love to be a

a CPU company, right? They tried to acquire ARM. There was, there's always been sort of rumor mill, scuttle butt, about them, you know, wishing they had an X-86 license and, and thinking like, hey, we're a fabulous GPU manufacturer. Why shouldn't we be a fabulous CPU manufacturer? Well, this might be the way for them to get in, rather than acquiring an X-86 license, which, to my understanding,

No one but Intel or AMD or, man, who's the last one? Was it, Via that still had one, but then that became Centaur, but then that maybe is deprecated. I don't know. There was a third. Something like that. There was another. But basically, it's just Intel and AMD.

And my understanding is both of them have no ability to sell or assign or otherwise grant their X86 license to anyone else because they basically decided, Hmm, you know what would be better than, you know, everyone else being able to compete? Being a duopoly. That was legal for reasons that I'm sure makes sense to someone. Anyway, the point is that there was no, this could be the way for Nvidia to gain access to Intel's X86 license, the access to the ability to build X86 based products without actually acquiring it. fascinating so intel says it will design and manufacture custom data center and client x86

CPUs with invidia envy link as it's part of the deal okay that's pretty cool because envy link is kind of badass like yeah and in the data center like you think of the benchmarks that you do on a CPU that you care about as a gamer right like how many fps do i get in this game or how many in a bench render points do I get or how fast can I calculate, you know, pie. In the data center, the actual raw performance of your CPU cores is

far, far less impactful in many cases than the speed of your interconnects and how quickly you can get access to other resources within the rack or within the data center. NVLink is kind of flipping

goaded. Yeah. This is this is pretty cool um okay client cpues will be x86 s oc with invidia rtx gpu chiplets do you guys remember luke do you remember that intel nook that had an int oh my god do you remember that intel nook so remember when intel made those little micro pieces that intel nook that had an Intel CPU and an AMD GPU on the same package. Oh, yeah. That like

unholy Satan spawn of an SOC. It was pretty cool. And that was at a time that AMD's GPU technology was really not keeping up. Intel CPU plus Nvidia GPU on a

single chip? Or sorry, the word chip has a lot of room for interpretation here. On a single package? Package. Yeah. Woo! Java Juice pointed this out, but handhelds, that could be interesting. Yeah. I mean, to be clear, Arc, pretty good.

Yes. Is Nvidia's GPU tech a little better? Yaw? Dude, if I could, if I could have, oh, man. Like, Intel's last-gen mobile chips are actually super efficient. It's just like, it's hard to care about them right now when their desktops are so far behind. And, you know, they're losing their lead in server market share for the first time ever. And, like, there's all this, like, terrible, terrible news coming out of Intel.

But their last gen notebook chips are actually, like, pretty damn decent. And so if we could take that performance and efficiency, throw, like, a latest gen Nvidia GPU on it. Like, man, you look at, look at Switch 2. Look at how flippant efficient that thing is, how skinny it is, how little cooling it needs. and yeah there are definitely issues with it I wish it had the same battery life as the switch OLED for instance but it doesn't and for what it is like man is it ever a pretty cool little device

that's based on old GPUs whereas like because that's that's Nintendo's way it's like I don't know give us whatever you were throwing away anyway you know come on Nintendo but if you were an Ause or an MSI or something like that for instance and you were building a new PC handheld with oh I don't know maybe the new

Windows interface that's supposed to be debuting on the upcoming Xbox Ally X-R-O-G whatever the thing is called we've got it we've got it we're going to be playing around with it later on the show like with the latest Gen Tech dude I love handheld gaming

so I'm very excited for this if that wasn't already clear anyway we are just weeks past the U.S. making an $8.9 billion investment into Intel common stock, which was roughly a 10% stake, which means, and this blows my mind, Intel is now 15% owned by two entities, the U.S. government and Invidia. The last two I would have thought. It's wild, man.

In a joint webcast, NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang claimed that their deal has nothing to do with the U.S. government. I wouldn't blame him for distancing himself a little bit from some of the controversy around that particular transaction. And AP News reported that the 23% stock growth represents Intel's largest one-day gain since, and this is not a typo, 1987. Yeah. Anyone like extreme long-holding Intel is maybe pretty stoked right now?

Yeah, stoked that maybe one day they could get back what they paid. Will this deal involve manufacturing chips in the U.S.? That's unclear. Both CEOs wouldn't say anything concrete regarding this. What? What? I don't think I... He had a thunk.

Okay. It's gone. I wonder if this is related to that thing I'm going to go do. I don't know. I don't even know what thing you're going to do. Luke... I don't know if I can talk about it. You're so vague posty right now.

I told you, though. Do you remember? can you can you rack the can i rack it doesn't matter because i can't say it so anyways uh anyway interestingly recent reports have suggested that invidia could release an arm-based APU powered laptop within the next couple of quarters uh actually a recent report suggested that invidia was supposed to release that like ages ago but that's a whole separate conversation and the verges Sean Hollister put it aptly. Nvidia and Intel basically said they're going to eat AMD's lunch.

And that is in reference to Jensen on the joint call saying, there is an entire segment of the market where the CPU and GPU are integrated, and it's for form factor reasons or cost reasons or battery life reasons, all kinds of reasons. And that segment has been largely unaddressed by Nvidia today. APUs, anyone? Oh boy. told PC World the deal won't affect its roadmap and specifically said they will continue to have

GPU product offerings, which unfortunately does not specifically confirm that arc, notably discrete arc, which I am really rooting for, will continue to be that GPU offering. Reuters reports that some analysts have suggested this may be the first step in an Intel takeover or breakup. I actually am not sure that I agree with that. If anything, I don't think so. The U.S. government and NVIDIA are both stepping in to prevent that is, is my read on this. This is not the same thing, but it feels like tangentially related to when Microsoft invested in Apple. I think the tech industry wants Intel to stick around. The tech industry is healthier when Intel is healthy.

There is no question. No question of that whatsoever. And if, and if Nvidia can find a way to, help keep them around in a way that benefits themselves, it makes a lot of sense for them to do that. So this, honestly, when I read this, this was like one of the things in the tech industry that made the most sense to me in a long time.

So, yeah, I think it's cool. I really, really hope that ARC continues to exist. I don't think that's going to be a problem here, personally, but I hope it exists. Should we make this into a weekly segment called is ARC in stock at MSRP and should you buy one? I like that. Yeah.

I think that's cool. Look at this. Because, dude, even using them for lossless frame gen and stuff like that, like they are really cool. Here it is. Sorted by featured, you know what, let's sort by lowest price. Intel Arc B580, tremendous GPU, great GPU. Now in stock, you could get an Intel reference card for 24999 with free shipping in the

United States. You could get an Onyx Odyssey for 24999, also free shipping in the United States. If you're partial to Asrock and you want an open box steel legend, you could get that for 259 with free shipping in the United States. Oh, this one is only showing gray here because I actually have it in my cart. Here's the exact same card, not open box for the same price. Oh, but you have to pay for shipping. Okay, all right. Well, whatever. Um, Onix Loomi is, 269. Okay, now we're getting past... Oh, here's a three-fan version for 269.

That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Oh, sorry, sorry. This is the triple fan and the dual fan. So you can get the triple fan for 259 open box with free shipping or 269 not open box with free shipping. I just want to check and see if they still have their... If they still have that cool Intel Days game promotion going right now

because they were actually giving away the new battlefield with these. I don't see it, unfortunately, but hey, it's still a great deal. It's a great GPU at a fair price, and it's at MSRP. So if you or anyone you know is looking for a GPU right now, you've got $250 U.S. dollars to spend the ARCB580 can be yours, and it will not only give you a very satisfactory gaming experience in all but some pretty isolated edge cases, where, okay, they've only been doing this a few years.

But it will also hopefully help us make sure that, oh my God, we have another option for GPUs. Yeah. Someone says, look at the one in your cart. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, that would have been a way for me to check the promotion. And no, it looks like, unfortunately, the battlefield promotion is no longer here.

What was it called? It was called Intel Days or something. like that? Can't remember exactly what it's called. Oh, this is crazy. Check this out. Check this out. 70 plus people have this card in their cart right now.

There is no way that that is not because of Wanshow right now. That is hilarious. Hold on. Oh, wait. No, hold on. There. Intel Gamer Days 2025 Battlefield 6 bundle. Giving myself full credit here for that.

Single-handedly selling. more Arc B-580s than anyone else on the internet. I'm quite sure of it. It was called the thing that I just said, Intel Gamer Days, 2025, Battlefield 6 bundle. It went from August 25th to September 14th, so it's done. Yeah, bummer. Still, dude. That was a wicked bundle.

Dude, the top one? This is crazy. Cool. What the heck? Oh, man. This is fun. This is fun. Let's play how many.

GPUs can we sell on WAN show today. To be clear, New Egg is not the only place that you could buy an arc. I have no particular loyalty to New Egg. The reference card, dude? Wow. I wonder what's up with that. That's interesting. Okay.

Okay. I do want to know, though. I want to know. I'm going to ping. Oh, man, I should have used our affiliate code. I think we have an affiliate code. Damn it. Whatever.

The point is, I. I'm going to message Colton I'm going to ask him to message our new egg contacts and see if we like sold a crap ton of arcs today that's hilarious Well and and whenever we talked about gamer days A huge spike That would also be interesting

At 11 a.m. Pacific today Okay yeah I'll find out I'll find out I'm curious Anywho why don't we move on to oh yeah Is there anything else you wanted to talk about with respect to the Nvidia Intel investment? I think it's, I think this is one of those, it remains to be seen, but you're always a fan of making bold predictions and then being 100% right about them later. So feel free to keep your streak alive. I'm hopeful for this in regards to keeping companies alive in order to keep competition strong.

I don't necessarily, you know, I'm not saying, either company involved here is necessarily my favorite ever but bold words decisive words but it's already an incredibly small space for cpues and gpues and to have one leave who is doing both would leave us with effectively one CPU and realistically one GPU which is not a good uh not a good pool of companies. So we need Intel to survive. And this gives me some solid hope that there's actual possibility there. Because it doesn't seem like they want to, you know, keep a CEO around long enough to actually follow through on their vision. So like if they need shorter term things, maybe this is it. I don't know. Oh. There you go. Perfect. Good. I can't do it from here.

so thank you all right what do you want to talk about no wait cw announce explain in something okay i'm supposed to follow the instructions from the dan uh dan what do i do i don't see the announcement i don't see anything there talking point talking point that he's not kidding that's literally all it says yeah what uh what you're wearing a shirt how am i supposed to how am i supposed to do this this is a it's a shirt that you can buy now i don't know i don't know i don't know how to do this okay it's talking but you already done it i'm going to do this explain merch messages well hold on hold on there's a wait are we waiting for someone to fill it out because there's a sale on on the store we can talk about that yeah and uh shirt uh but there's a huge sale

going on what the wait oh okay there's there's the defragmentation sale system cleanup finished savings of up to 65 percent on select items from september 19th to october Over 6th. What do we got here? We've got blank t-shirts for... We're doing blank shirts for $16.24. We're doing long sleeves for 1624 Canadian. There's some really crazy deals in here, actually. Okay.

I'm told both the people who are supposed to do the announcements are away. Oh, okay. Adlib. our hydrophase swim shorts so these are the ones that when they get wet they reveal a pattern cool right by the way oh i learned this the hard way if you run them through the dryer it kind of bricks that that functionality but apparently you can restore it Tatiana told me I can fix it by ironing it on very very low heat I haven't tried that yet so anyway if there's anyone who has hydrophase shorts out there and they have that issue that's what I've been told by the CW team. Anywho, so our Hydrophage shirts aren't $31 and 49 cents Canadian on the global store. The Mac address, Oxford shirt, is $7? How did we not save this for Black Friday? I do not... $7. Is that a typo?

Oh, we have only one size. There's only one size, XL in stock. It's a really nice shirt, and it fits like a shirt should fit. and um looks makes you look really cool anyway uh okay and you're wearing a new shirt I'm a feeling there's a digit missing there we'll get to that no I think I think that's right because we only have the one size

so we're just trying to blow away the X-Ls still like the no oh dude this is hilarious this is the shirt that I was wearing today they had me they had me change because I'm supposed to wear the polo which is I think

a launch of a new color today or something like that. But I was totally wearing the not a hot dog, I'll kill you and catch up VNAC. Oh, wait, this is a VNEC. Okay, this is a VNEC of it. Okay, so I wasn't quite wearing this. Okay, so the VNAC is

1249 Canadian. These circuit desk pads are 20 bucks. Canadian? Oh, sold out. Okay, apparently you guys have found stuff big nerd gaming. Oh, sold out. Okay.

Okay, you guys. So it seems like it was. things with only like one size left. Okay, yeah, you guys those sizes. You guys found Hey, but you can still get the brick screen saver shirt. Dude, these are so popular around the office. People wear the crap out of these.

Anyway, uh, wow. Yep. So there's a bunch of stuff. You can still get a firewall department. Nope, not anymore. Sold out. Uh, yep. That makes sense. Uh, uh, anyway, the one that I'm wearing is our green polo shirt.

That, that can't be the green one. There? That's got to be the black one. Hey, yeah, there we go. There we go. That's the green one. You too can look like a professional like Colton here, available in at least a couple of sizes. $14.99 Canadian. Small or large, if you happen to be a smaller or large. Okay, there. I think I did, did I do it right, Dan? Did I do a good job? Talking point. Was I a good... I think that's the best we can do. Was I a good shill? No, you were the best shell. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Um, yeah, right, merch messages. So if you want to interact with the show, the best way to do it is with a merch message. And this basically comes down to mine and Luke's philosophy that if you're going to throw money at your screen, you should get high quality merchandise in return. So all you got to do is add something to your cart, maybe from our defragmentation sale. Go to your cart. and when we're live you will see the merch message box

where you can put your you can say if you want your first name in last initial or if you want to be anonymous you can type a little message you can choose a color you can opt into email communication about your message you can get clarification on what the crap that means

and then you can go ahead and place your order it will go to producer Dan who will type a response or through your message Mursage, you're, put it at the bottom of the screen like Jacob L's, or he can, what else can he do? Oh, yeah, he can forward it and get you a response after the fact if you opt into the email thing. Or he can just throw it away. He actually has that power.

He can just, he can just nuke it. Send good merch messages or trash. Wow, aggressive. Do better. Thank you, Dan. If he curates it, then it will be for discussion later on the show for me and Luke, and we'll do a couple of those to show you what that looks like. Sure, yeah, I've got a bunch coming in.

It seems like the Europeans are happy we're doing an early show. Nice. With the Final Fantasy Tactics remake launching soon, will you be playing it? And will you, quote-unquote, challenge Luke to play? You should give Triangle Strategy a try. Great game. I have been triangle strategies on my list, but I haven't played it yet. And I will almost certainly replay Final Fantasy.

tactics before I play triangle strategy just because oh my god it's final fantasy tactics and it's possibly the best game ever no no no it's probably not the best game ever but it's it's so good it's incredible I think I should challenge Luke to play it but I'm going to have to come up with something that I have to do like Luke is there something that that sort of you've been badgering me to do that you can think of right now because I'm down for round two I'm down for rounds too. I'll think on it. I'd love to push you through unmoded Morrwind.

Why the fuck would I want to play that? Spent 45 minutes making your character get killed by your crab. I did try to play Moro Winn once. So Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls, and I enjoyed the crap out of it. I put probably a couple hundred hours into oblivion, which for me is a lot. That's a lot

of attention span for me. and I just enjoyed exploring and enjoyed fighting and enjoyed every aspect of that game and I was like oh man I want more elder scrolls and we were years away from Skyrim still at that point so I was like how about I play Morawind I bought it and I played it

and I walked down a path this is all I remember of it there's like the starting village or town or whatever and then I left it and I walked down a path and I got absolutely fucking obliterated by something and I was like I don't even understand what to do. Like, this is back when games had manuals. That's a more accurate.

Yeah, it's a lore accurate Morawind experience. Yeah, I'll think of something. Unmoded Morowind. Beating FTL would be kind of fun. Never played fast and light. Or, like, unlocking three ships or something, because you could beat it pretty fast, I think. beating Slaid the Spire.

I feel like I could probably do it with a game that's like a rogue-like, but then the task would just be actually like beating the game. I'll find something. I'm not going to figure it out now, but I'll find something. Okay. All right. Hopefully whatever you pick is more fun than what you picked last time. Part of last time was Titanfall.

Titanfall was great. Titanfall 2 campaign was outstanding. Pirates of Silicon Valley was a tough watch, and Hackers was a really tough watch. I still adore both of them I think between the two of them it took me about nine seedings to get through them like I'm sorry

there are definitely some yes hack the planet there are definitely some great lines in both and some great moments in both but as films I am not convinced that they are very outstanding I'm sorry. I know this is going to be a super controversial take for some of you. Pirates of Silicon Valley gets me jazzed up.

I think part of it's like when I saw that was like my god tier computers teacher was like showed it to a class of us that like actually really cared about this stuff to like inspire us and it kind of hit at the right time. So there's, I mean there's definitely like really intense nostalgia glasses with both of them. It is what it is. Dan, hit me. Sure. Hey, DLL, how do you react when people tell you you have in some part influenced a significant part of their lives

or careers, someone working in tech after becoming interested in watching YouTube? I mean, I think in the early days, I just kind of found it hard to believe because I just felt like I was a kid playing. around with computers on camera um i was you know just doing i was just doing my job to an extent i um you know i i i think i just didn't really i didn't really know how to process that i didn't really know how to deal with that um because it seemed like almost like too much pressure like oh i i i don't want to be responsible for people's you know career choices or or whatever um

but these days i i've i've really embraced that and i've i've come to see that that as kind of our role in the tech space because we are not going to give the deepest dive into, you know, freaking packet sniffing, encrypted USB connections and reverse engineering, you know, embedded display port to make a custom laptop. That's not really going to be our thing. There's going to be other channels that are going to go much deeper into any given vertical than we ever will. but I see our role as fire starters you know our job is to

put people on a path where they so we just like we kind of throw some some tinder and we throw some sparks at it and we put people on this path where they can then bloom into an inferno of incredible tech passion and knowledge and it's something that I think that I think we do really well I actually had a really cool interaction along these lines just yesterday. We had a really nice gentleman by the name of Tom

who came here all the way from Brazil, which was apparently an arduous journey and involved almost getting deported when he landed in Canada because they simply didn't believe that he came all the way here for two days to claim a prize. Even some of his own things, Family members were like, I think you're being trafficked. So he's a winner for ROG rig reboot.

Anyway, I drove him back to the hotel after we shot yesterday. And he basically was like, yeah, I was a gamer. But it was actually your content that made me passionate about tech and solving tech problems and kind of set me on the path that I'm on right now and helped ignite this. passion and I kind of went mission accomplished because that's what we're trying to do and there's things that Tom is way better at than me which is exactly what I want that should be the goal of every teacher where your job is to get people excited like that's my primary job is to get people excited about technology and then I get to sit back and see where they

take it from there and that was that was a super cool experience oh dan dan put a new thing there it says two more topics all right luke you want to pick one i feel like i've done most of the talking today sorry yeah i'm gonna go a little bit off the rails right now can i can i can i can i get you to bring up uh youtube real quick and look for a channel uh i can't share my screen yeah sure i guess i'm just your bitch now, apparently. I let you talk one time and you're like, yeah, could you just start issuing orders? Sorry.

Look up just James Channel. James Space Channel. James Channel. I'm sure. James Channel. Games for James. This is a flow plane creator, actually. Works with Mr.

Dankpods on the Garbage Time channel, doing automotive stuff. What? also makes really cool things so I saw this Xbox 1 come through recently and he's done stuff like this a few times

like if you scroll back through his channel this is not the first time he's done something like this look at the disc yeah look at the disc drive oh this is sick um

oh this is professional he's glued down the wire the bodge wire oh yeah dude it's glued professional glue Okay, sorry, yes, carry on And we've done this a few times

Where we've like featured You were talking about how Oh, we might not be the person To reverse engineer The internal display port, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Yeah, like we might not be We might not be the person doing this either And I think it's been a fun trend

That we've had over the last little bit of showing off some really cool stuff that creators on YouTube have done on WAN Show. And I wanted to feature James channel for a second because this video was wild. It was very fun. The end result is insane. It's just, it's a trip. And I think our audience would enjoy it. So, yeah, go check it out.

Cool. And while you're having a technical lemon-powered gameboy. that's a party I would attend I mean right out the gate he was hit hit hard if you look at if you look at the first video on his channel like there was there was no chill at any point in time

it's the first video on his channel is a one million view video from two years ago of making a portable Super Nintendo brilliant with like duct tape all right awesome. So yeah, feel free to go check out James Channel if you want to deeper

dive into depravity. Okay, why don't we pick another topic then? Wait, was that a topic? No. Oh, okay, cool. Luke, do you want to pick a real topic this time? Sure. Speaking of handhelds

and making things portable, I guess, Windows handheld gaming mode leaked. I think you have to do something for this. Microsoft's much-anticipated handheld gaming mode, is now available to preview if you're running Windows 1125 H2, which is currently in release preview on Windows Insider. Redditor Gog C-123 posted an extensive guide on getting things up and running, tried at your own risk, of course.

We've got it set up on this Ally X, so let's try it out. And then there's some notes here that says, you're in 1080P, couldn't get display mirroring working otherwise. drag finger up from the bottom to alt tab oh that makes sense that's interesting but that makes sense um i had to manually putz around to get the option for the new ui to show up at all steam games work great game pass stuff was a little iffy but seems okay after bypassing our cash servers okay so this is the part where i switch over to luke yeah there we go laptop rear um and this is it so i have

I did have a hands-on with the ROGX, Ally X, Xbox, X, whatever the new one is called, having a very hard time remembering because it's just a bunch of random brand words combined in ways that don't make any sense to me. It's an Xbox name, what can I say? But I didn't have much time with the actual UI of, like the new handheld gaming mode Windows UI at all. So this is it. So what am I looking at here?

Okay. So here's game pass, which makes sense. It's pretty responsive. Not bad. Actually, oh, you know what? It's better in person because this is a 120 hertz display and you guys are seeing this probably through 30 FPS capture. So don't read too much into the kind of like leggy lookingness of it.

It actually looks really smooth in my hands. What else do we have over here? So here is my library, I assume. cool here's a bunch of steam games so Microsoft didn't explicitly say during the event that they would support Steam because you know it'd be weird for them to name a direct competitor to game to game pass or whatever

but they did say that third party stores would be supported and winked really really hard or they had something in their eye or something so here's a bunch of Steam games I'm not going to launch a game yet because I kind of want to poke around in the UI first but we've got installed owned okay oh

okay so here's owned so all of the games that we have installed are not owned alright I might have to figure that out before we actually

play a game if we're going to play a game installable what's the difference between owned and installable I'm sure I'll figure it out at some point all right

cool cloud Playable? One thing that I don't see in here is the validated for Windows mobile devices or whatever. Oh, here's input. Okay, so yeah, obviously PC game pad and okay, what's capabilities? Whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, hold on. This is probably user error. Okay, oh, okay. Cloud enabled Xbox achievements. All right, players. okay, this is cool. I'd like to be able to add more of my own. Like, one of the things that is really great about Steam is being able to have your custom filters, which are often community generated and maintained.

So I like to use things like four-player, local multiplayer and stuff like that to help find games, you know, during an event or whatever. Playable without touch controls. Oh, okay. So here's a bunch of usability stuff. Single-stick gameplay. This is really cool.

has a great mind for accessibility with Xbox, and this actually feels like an extendability of that. Oh, I misread it. It is called accessibility features. Okay, good, good, good. That makes sense. Okay, what else we got? Oh, which drive it's installed on?

I don't know that I would care that much about that, but hey, whatever, genres. Okay, cool. So you've got some filters there in the library. Okay, cloud, cloud gaming. I could play a cloud game from the cloud. Like, for instance, but asphalt legends.

Play with cloud. Can I do this? Will we have a big sword? Wait for it. I'm interested in what happens here. I mean, I have no idea what accounts we have or haven't even set up on this, but like, am I cloud gaming right now?

That's pretty cool. Sure seems like it. accept i accept the permissions i accept the risk very nice that our firewall is allowing this to happen is is it oh yeah well yeah it is it is 20 years of asphalt oh okay can't skip it nice nice let's just watch this more Ooh, a Lamborghini. Oh, my God. Okay, well, whatever.

The point is, it seems to be working. It seems to be working. Okay, do I have an overlay, though? Okay, so here's the ASUS overlay. But do I have a Microsoft overlay? Okay, no, that's Armory Crate. So there is a dedicated Xbox button on the new Ally Xbox X. I don't have one on this one, so now I'm an Armory Crate.

completely ignore that okay so here's my alt tab menu by dragging up and then oh oh that's interesting can i even use the touchscreen yes i can i can't i can't hold right trigger to accelerate yeah i can yeah i can do that cool so i can't tap with the touchscreen but i can't look like drag with the touchscreen if you get what i mean like i can't go oh wait yes i can yes i can okay cool cool cool cool well that was the alt tab thing right you swiked up from the bottom yeah yep i thought i couldn't use the touchscreen. I thought I had to go back to the joystick, but I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's stick an X. Okay, got it, got it. Oh. Yeah, drift, drift all the things. I'm just going to hold X the whole time. Oh, okay. Well,

that's the break. So, cool. Look, I've never played this game, okay? I think I'm cloud gaming right now. Okay, now what do I do? Now I quit the race. I want to close this game. I want to go back to the UI. Now, if you didn't catch our video, on the new Xbox X, Ally X, X, X, Dream. Oh, interesting. Here's a little thing. See the thing in the top left corner? Sorry, if you didn't catch our video,

one of the benefits of this is that it doesn't actually, like, render the desktop behind it. So theoretically, it's saving a lot of resources, and they claimed big savings in terms of RAM that will hopefully result in better performance in games, but I don't know if that's been proven yet, one way or the other.

Okay, so anyway, Sorry, back to this. Is that why when you're alt-tapping, the background's just like that, like, white-ish gray? Yes, sir. Okay, so I clicked that thing in the top left. Here's a little performance monitor thing. Can I, like, pin this?

That makes sense, because you're cloud gaming. Oh, yeah, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, okay, so yes, the cloud gaming just worked effortlessly like that. Xbox social. Audio, audio devices. Okay, that's actually pretty handy to have here. personally i would okay yeah no yeah you just tap to tap to click game assist which uh yeah sure i mean i can talk about that another time uh do i have like screen cap what is this okay so this is quick

settings oh more settings here we go cool sorry guys i'm just i'm i'm just exploring this for the first time one second go to the more settings yeah what's the gaming features system is direct x12 ultimate ready it is direct storage optimized and this version of windows supports the latest direct storage io optimizations seems more like information than settings but sure yeah then oh well it is features those are features okay here's home uh usually you can set settings okay so let's go let's go home can i just like close the game look at that jump back in so is that game closed wow that was a very Xbox console-like

experience. So if I had an Xbox button, it would be that quick to go back home. That's pretty cool. I like that. Here's the store because obviously there's a store. Everything has a store. Okay, hold on. I want to go back to home for a second here.

Hopefully you guys are finding this as interesting as I am. What is the store? Is it just Microsoft, like Windows store, whatever that's even called? Yeah, I don't, I mean, I think that would be a pretty far leap for them to not only integrate games from other storefronts but also integrate other storefronts don't think that's going to be happening. Yeah it's just unfortunate that there's is like the worst one. I might even argue that it's worse than uh you play or whatever it's even called

these days. Uh what is this? It'll be soft the launcher or whatever. Oh, here's the download interface. Okay, so if I, I want to go back to that. You view profile settings. Okay. Let's just close that Okay, I want to go back to this And I'm going to go to No man, where would Where'd that Xbox? What happens if I slide in from the sides?

Okay, notifications, what if I slide in from this side? Oh, okay, slide in from the side gives me that interface. Cool. That's cool. Okay, so let's use this to jump right into a game that I don't have open So presumably it is managing all this in the background It's closing asphalt, it's firing up steam because remember the asphalt wasn't a steam game

and then we're firing up tape to tape which I'm going to use this moment to promote tape to tape is a great little roguelite hockey game that is being developed by excellent rectangle really small team Canadian team it's their first game and you'd never know it playing it

because it's super cool super fun no investment no investment whatsoever I just think it's a super cool game and I love it we've invested time uh yeah definitely lots of time uh hold on i don't want to continue oh uh oh how's my screen cap going here oh oh oh hold on i'm going to give it the old unplug and replug here one sec yeah we're in a box yep i'm working on it i'm cooking hey oh oh you know what i wonder if it's a resolution issue yep yep yep

this is what this is what jordan was talking about yeah cool Let's go with that one. What are my odds here? Hey, let's go. It's going to work pretty quick. There was a good question from Roy Yamaha, which was at some point in time you should switch to the desktop to see how long it takes, considering it's not loaded.

Oh, that's a good idea. Okay, do you know how to switch to the desktop? Does anyone know? I'm not a clue at all I was like I'm kind of thinking I'd rather just play video games blah blah I'm assuming well at the end blah blah blah okay here we go

I'm assuming you have to close this whole thing here we go in the tab screen apparently it's in the tab screen dude I haven't played the not like alpha development branch for so long I barely can figure out how to do anything

this is wild dude I'm so slow I think they've I think they've juiced the the Calaveras in custom game a little bit all right sure you know what I got a goal

all right so we're going to slide in from the right there we go and then okay performance monitor okay what's this anyone any idea how to switch to desktop

Okay, I'm going to go home So that They said it was an alt tab Oh, okay, cool Okay, I'll do that in a sec So first, hold on I kind of, I suspended that game Sort of maybe, I don't know, did I?

So if I jump back in, or no, that closed the game. So it's not like you have on Xbox Where you can like suspend Oh, wait, no, I said, oh, interesting. Okay, well, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Very cool.

I mean, it makes sense, but it's cool. Blah! I love throwing the stick, dude. I love. I love throwing the stick. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, so let's do the alt tab thing. So I'm going to drag up from the bottom.

Okay. And then there's a windows icon somewhere. Someone said there's a windows icon at the bottom or something. Okay, so here's all my alt tabs. So Armory crate, which I opened before is there. Settings, which I looked at. before is there. I assume I can just swipe them away by throwing them away.

Nope. No, it's an X in the corner. Or I can press the X button. Weird. Nope, neither of those are actually working to close that one. I'm trying to close it.

I mean, this is pre-release, so let's not be too harsh. Okay, so I'm going to click Windows desktop now. I might have missed. You are exiting to desktop. You have full access to Windows, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, don't remind me of this again.

There is a don't show me. again button yeah okay well i mean that was quick uh oh and it's gone oh right right right because obviously i still have my game open and stuff so okay i don't lose my game i can still keep playing and i can throw my stick again and i can hit this guy i'm gonna kill him jump it into the corner and then go kill him no they're gonna get a goal no don't get a goal sorry sorry i'll stop playing video games now anyway it's a really fun game I've been enjoying it. Yeah.

Oh, I got two with the stick throw. Took them out. Boom. Got her. Boom. Sorry, sorry, I'm done now. You know how, you know how I like that show Shoresy? Yep.

You know they released a hockey game? No way. Shorzy hockey game? Is it supposed to be good? find it uh no oh that's unfortunate it has mostly positive reviews now uh yeah okay one of the positive reviews says it looks promising when it's completed it's currently in early access i really wish they just partnered with tape to tape um because honestly playing the shorzy game I think I played it for like 10 minutes and then was like uh

nah oh that's a bummer yeah I mean this is cool like actual fight in a boxing ring I mean I didn't get that far I will admit okay I mean maybe we should give it a shot is it single player uh it's it definitely has single player I think it also had yeah co-op and PVP okay cool I mean I think I'll give it time at least until it's out of early access to, like, really cast judgment.

But right now, it doesn't seem that amazing. 39 reviews. That's about 2,000 sales. So not super popular. Okay. Yeah, I don't think they've really been promoting it a ton yet. Yeah, maybe they'll promote it more when it's, like, actually done and not, like, bad. Yeah.

Or maybe they realize it's bad, and it'll be bad forever, and they're just not going to promote it. You never know. Early access is a... it's a very mixed bag like tape to tapes early access Luke and I have talked about it and like he thinks it could have just been tape to tape one

and all the work that they've done since then could have just been tape to tape too dude it's a dramatically different game like and people were very happy with what it already was it's interesting but like I'm just thinking like if Shoresy paired with them to just make like an alternate campaign I think

that would have been awesome. Oh, as like a Shorzy DLC? Yeah. Or something like that. Yeah. I mean, excellent rectangle is like still balls deep in development of just the base game as it is. So they're probably a little ways off from like partnering on skins and DLCs and whatever. I don't even know if, I don't even know if they have any capability of adding that kind of stuff in the future.

But yeah, they seem like super cool guys. Yeah. And very responsive in their Discord. I was completely, complaining about the behavior of the defenseman in the trio mode. So that's when you're playing with just three players. Oh, uh-oh, what now? No, I just thought, like, while we're talking about games, I should give another shout-out.

I don't know if I actually... Did I talk about the very pod racing-esque game that I found at Pax? Maybe. I'm not sure if I remember. Do you know what it's called? So when I went to Pax, the most standout game to me was a game called Ascent Rivals. Um, A,

A-S-C-E-N-T I know how to spell as though. I was partially saying that to myself. Um, do they have a good trailer? I'm checking right now. Yeah, it looks like it. I'm playing the trailer right now, sir. So the, the gameplay of this,

so far this doesn't really show what it's actually like to play the game at all. Okay. Dual engine controls. Man, are they going to really show ever? Uh, I mean, this is definitely pod racing Yeah, so I never have seen

any of the like gunplay stuff I have only seen the racing And if you join their Discord I think it is you can get Access to this game for free right now As like a test This looks awesome They're just really awesome

People have tournaments all the time The mechanics are really cool. It felt really intuitive to me, which was odd because they're very weird, but you have like grab control, so like gravity on each side of your ship.

So if you pull the right trigger, the right side of your ship will be pulled to the ground. Interesting. If you pull the left trigger, the left side of your ship will be pulled to the ground. And then your thumb sticks, it's just forward and back. They have a public play test right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can just join it.

You can jump on it. Um, so if you press forward on a thumbstick, that is engine full thrust. If you pull back, it's engine off. That's it. So you don't have turn left, turn right. You have to like, if you want to turn right, you want to turn the engine on the right off and, and pull the gravity down on the right in order to like twist around a corner. Um, very, very fun. I had a really good time with it. It's the most fun racing game. I've played in a really long time. And it's like super, super early on. People saying with both sticks, yeah, you need both sticks and both triggers to be able to control your ship.

I don't remember what they actually call them. So, again, to go straight, you would, I think you would be on both triggers and forward on both thumbsticks because you're pulling yourself tight to the ground, which would benefit going fast, and both your engines are on. Then if you wanted to turn right, you would either just grab right, which would mean letting go of your left trigger in order to. stop the gravity on the left side of your shift to turn that way with full possible speed or if it's a tighter turn you would let go of the or potentially pull back on the thumbstick on your on your right side and let go of the trigger on your left side so it's like you're it's so interesting it's very very unique it's really fun they also have this system where you can turn off your engines by pulling both the thumbsticks back and then you slam them forward

and it gives you like a short warp. So like if you're if you're going and you go over a gap while you're floating in the middle of the air, you can turn your engines off and then slam them back on the second you land and you go super, super fast really quick. It's very, it feels very like, very active. So basically it's my, it's my Tyco scorcher. What?

So this is an RC toy that I got for, like a mega special Christmas present when I was a kid. And it was like six wheels, which they advertised as six by six, I think, which is not how that works at all. No. I had the green one. I thought,

I could swear it was called Monster, but this is definitely the car. Like I recognized the car for sure. And it had dual forward and back sticks for control. which my friends found extremely confusing, but to me was always very intuitive. So the right stick drove the right wheel and the left stick drove the left wheel.

And unfortunately, and this was not something that they made clear in the advertising for this thing, but it only drove the middle wheel on both sides. So these were just for stability wheels. So it's not six by six, it's like one by two. And the battery lasted for about six minutes. Anyway, sorry, yes, that sounds like a really cool game, and the gameplay looks honestly amazing.

It was really fun. I haven't played all the features yet, all that kind of stuff. I didn't have a ton of time to play it before I started going on many trips. My whole house fell apart. But anyways, but I had a ton of fun with it for the, like, one night that I could play, and I'm really excited to get back into it. I got on the leaderboard for one of the maps, which felt really cool. there's I was watching some of the like record runs and it's a lot of kind of just turning your engines off and back on again to do the warp mechanic so I I sort of hope the balance changes there to be more based around like tight cornering and stuff yeah and like drifting are they working on like co-op like two player pods so you could have like a like a gunner and I honestly don't know um I talked one of the guys for a while but it's it's been a bit like I saw I saw snice

typing going on. Yes. But you do that as the pilot? I think that's you. I think you like relinquished controls of the ship for a second and then shoot and then keep going. There's a lot of damage mechanics. Using the warp thing, if I remember correctly, damages your engines to a certain

degree. bashing into walls damages your engines. And you can blow up, which, you know, is interesting. I think they have like Battle Royale modes, but they also just have races, which I'm pretty sure don't involve. the combat. So if you just want to zoom around, that's definitely an option. All I've really done is like solo time trials. But yeah, dude, a two player, yeah, Tim zero zero X3 in Fulting chat said double dash. A two player where you're in one ship, I think would be super fun. Something that I thought was really interesting was I noticed on their, on their website, they have their like

sponsors. And some of them kind of make sense. Like, okay, star, star, Forge is there MSI is there but then there's Dirtfish Shelby and Celine Shelby like

Mustang yeah I have no idea what's going on here but they have crazy partners who works maybe

like I and like dirtfish too like the whole thing is really interesting I don't know what's going on here, but I'm very excited about the future of this game, and I hope that people try it out and have fun.

All right, cool. Why don't I pick the next one? Meta has unveiled the Meta Rayban display. Meta announced its first consumer glasses with a built-in display at Wednesday's MetaConnects 2025 event. The Meta-rayban display glasses have a 600-600-600 full-color display in the right eye that apparently reaches 5,000

nits and is reportedly almost undetectable when you are not wearing the glasses. It's paired with the neural band worn on the wrist which can control the glasses via finger movements and you can even input text by handwriting on a surface with your finger. That sounds

horrible but better than nothing. Another big feature is live translate and live captions. It can apparently display captions only for the person that you are talking to. which, as far as accessibility features go, could be an absolute game changer for, like, literally millions of people. The glasses drop in the U.S. on September 30th for $800,

and sales will expand to Canada, France, Italy, and the UK early next year. Also, it has a rechargeable and foldable case, which is pretty cool. Meta also updated their non-display AI glasses with the Rayban Meta Gen 2 at $380, and the $499 Oakley Meta Vanguard smart glasses that are marketed toward the fitness crowd like runners and bikers. These glasses can be integrated with Garmin, smartwatches, and Strava. Is it happening? Like, is this the moment when you even consider them?

I know, but let's put aside that it's meta for a second. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's a good put aside because I was going to, I was going to prequel it with like no chance, not from them. It's definitely getting interesting. I think we're actually pretty far out still, personally. Man, rebrands work, dude. I hate that they work, but there's a couple people in Floatplane Shot. They're like, who's meta?

Meta's Facebook. And don't kid yourself. They're Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think the sports ones are pretty interesting. I saw at EFA. I saw a pair of glasses that look extremely similar to these Oakleys.

Yep. And it kind of made a bunch of sense to me in regards to, like, being able to record your run and do things like that. Yep. Or, I mean, it could even just be like, man, it's a wild world that we're living in. Is it a terrible idea to take a dash cam out with you? You know? Yeah, it's really not. Yeah.

And by run, I meant your ride, I guess. The example in the photo is someone on a bike, and that makes sense. Either way, I'm just saying, like, having an everyday dash cam for life honestly doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world. Dash cam for your life, so it feels like it's a sales tagline for these, to be honest. Purchase now comes with free bulletproof vest. No. Oh, God.

Oh, man. I mean, a vest doesn't really seem like. enough. It seems like it'd have to be a turtleneck. If you want it to be really effective. It's a dangerous world. Oh, yeah, okay. So, so Linus did it. I was going to text

you guys that joke because I didn't want to say it. That's not a joke. That's serious. Like, it's a, it's a wild dangerous time, man. Yeah, that's true. Wow. Off rails a bit. Yeah, it's

like we saw one of these glasses, not the ones that I was talking about that looked like the Rayban once, but we saw another brand of these. I think it was TCL at EFA. And I really, I don't think they're ready yet. I think the neural band thing is an interesting idea, but I think the ultimate winner here is going to be someone who just already has a good smartwatch that can integrate with the glass as well. yeah um instead of like this unique band that you only really use with your glasses like this is what i kind of mean by i think we're still pretty far out i think we're getting to the point where for certain early adopters these are going to be cool i already know people that wear the metaglasses and like them yep um but not very many terran's a daily driver i know artie's a daily driver um i've actually got a pair sitting on my dresser at home that every day i get up in the morning and i look at and i'm like okay i'm going to have to i'm going to have to try them right like i how how can I be incredibly a gadget guy and not have tried them at this point?

They have that much acceptance at the very least. Yeah, yeah, it's, they're interesting. I think mass market appeal, I think we're still pretty far out personally. But they're definitely hitting the niche crowd, and I'm not surprised. I would not be surprised if like, you know, these Gen 2s hit an even wider audience. Um, we've talked extensively about what we would want out of smart glasses, right? And both you and I have discussed how we just have terrible memories for faces and days. Digital Rolodex.

Okay. Luke, this is a, this is a big question. Would you buy the product that you want, you know, the one that we've been asking for for 10 years, would you buy it if it came from Facebook? Bearing in mind, Luke, and this is very important, that almost no other company on earth would have enough personal information from everyone to build it. One of the whack parts about this is, and something that might make me say no, is that while you and I have also discussed about how like our privacy is basically just null and void at this point, like almost what's the point in defending certain levels of it?

Obviously, there's certain levels which will always be defended, but there's a lot of it that's just out there. But the problem is that this is other people's privacy, which I think would still kind of hold me off, or would result in me only wearing them in certain situations. If it's a digital Rolodex thing and I wear it to CES, I don't think I'm that bothered by that use case. Like at trade shows, places where there's very little expectation of privacy. There's cameras everywhere. Everyone's expecting recordings to be going on. If you think you have a level of privacy on the shore at a show floor of any kind, I think you're just being silly.

I think that's okay. But in day-to-day life, like going to dinner with someone or hanging out with friends, I think it would still weird me out. people talking about no local processing yeah like if these aren't processing locally through a connection to my phone or something um then there is a compromise of other people's privacy that is potentially going on and i don't like that ixfn 724 says you will have an ad strapped to your face at some point and brings up that and this isn't actually in the topics this week but samsung has apparently confirmed that they're expensive smart fridges are now going to start serving ads to you in your kitchen like when is it enough yeah i maintain give me the dumbest fridge possible i don't i don't want a fridge with a screen because anything with a screen that also has an internet connection will eventually receive an ad and i just don't want it yikes oh we're supposed to do sponsors now speaking of ads the show is brought to you by oh do is life hitting you

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Josh has worked here for years now but he always worked under Yvonne so I honestly had my first conversation with him that was longer than 10 seconds like a month ago I just didn't know the guy because while I will go out of my way

to do temperature checks or get to know yas with people in other managers departments just you know so that I know Yvonne and I are basically the same person. So if she's on it, then I just, I consider it oned. And I'm like, okay, yeah, your team's good. Good. See you later. Because you can, you can't have, you can't have relationships with everyone. Like it's, uh, it's, it's very challenging. So Josh was a bit of a black

box for me going into his upgrade a couple of weeks ago when we shot it. And he is still an enigma. Luke, have you watched Josh? AMD upgrade? No, I saw it go up, but I haven't seen it. I watch all of them, but I haven't seen it yet. How about you, Dan? I have not, no. I skipped through some of it this morning.

I saw there was burgers. Yeah. And things. Josh's house is like what I imagine the inside of my brain would look like. It is literally piled. Luke, do you remember when we did a small renovation, back when we were were working out of my garage, like at my house for Linus Media Group, do you remember when that one time, I wish I'd taken a picture of it because it was so funny, where we had to

move everything out of the garage so we could do something. We were painting or building a set or doing something. He was building the tech quickie set. Sure. We had to move everything into my living room and my living room was just piled with boxes. Yeah. Yeah. That's how he lives. That's just his house? Yeah, that's how he lives. There's a half of a finished project literally within reach at any given moment, piles of paint cans, like an MDF hand-built dresser. He is like DIY king. Like if there is something that he can do himself, he does it himself. And I assume he'll finish it eventually. And I didn't realize like how much of a passion he has for learning how to do things.

and then getting bored of them and moving on to the next thing. So it was a lot of fun, and I love doing these series because it really gives me an opportunity to get to know people that I otherwise would not really get a chance to get to know. Anyway, to go along with this upgrade, AMD, of course, has another amazing giveaway for you. But before that, they want us, either of us, to tell a quick story about juggling gaming while in school.

AMD, you already got Talk briefly about the upgrade. I'm not doing that today. That was riveting. At least I'm assuming it was. Hard to tell when writing these talking points without knowing what y'all are going to say. Turns out the answer was nothing. Anyway, AMD's giving you a chance to upgrade your PC.

That, we're sure is definitely meant for school. Yes, yes. With a bundle that includes a Ryzen 7, 9800 X3D, a motherboard, and 32 gigs of RAM. You can enter the giveaway by using, our link in the description good luck and thanks again amd the amd ultimate tech upgrade series is really one of my favorites and i think that's true of a lot of you as well based on based on your your comments all right want to pick another topic luke sure let's see here what we got

uh let's do another fun one the linus size screwdriver oh i thought you were going to do the mofflin Oh, we could do that No, let's do the linicized screwdriver All right, Reddit user Kenton Baum 84 used their custom made printer. Oh, that's cool. I didn't actually realize that part.

To print a linicized shaft, specifically the screwdriver shaft. And the whole thing, right? Like, what do we... Look at this. It's huge. But they didn't just print the shaft, right? No, they printed the whole thing.

Yeah, okay. The writing confused me for a second. That's like two pounds of support. Like, this is, it looks so heavy. I mean, surely the infill must be pretty low, but still, what the heck, man? That is crazy. And what are you doing with it? Does he say what he's going to do with it?

Body pillow. Oh, my God. Yeah, that printer is super cool. Like, you must have a very specific need for extra. Oh, my God. I love that it has, like, a print bed from some other printer in here, and it just doesn't fit at all, not nearly large enough. Like, what do you need to make?

Yeah, so apparently it's a 550 by 550 by 2000. Um, the print took 20 hours. The infill of percentage was 4%. And apparently it was like five kilograms of material. oh man you absolute mad lads this is why i love this community amazing that's so cool who else would think that this needs to exist and who else would go many steps farther and make it exist 20 hours is insanely short speaking of things that are sort of questionable whether they need to exist or not cassio's stress relieving furry robot is coming to

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Oh, my God, already red flag, red flag. Let's let's pick out all the red flags. Powered by AI, that's a giant red flag. Yep, yep. Companion. That is a giant. red flag. No, a machine is not a companion. Emotions. Describing it as having emotions, that's a red flag. Describing it as being like a living creature is a red flag. So of this sentence,

let's go ahead and fire up a notepad here. Let's look at the percentage of this that is red flag. So it isn't smart. It's not a companion. It is powered by AI, so let's go ahead and bold that. What? Oh, my God. Just bold it. I don't care right now. Emotions like a living creature.

So this is about 70% red flag, right out of the gate. Let's keep going. Oh, it gets worse. Design to support, reassure, and grow with you through life's everyday moments. So you're supposed to take it with you everywhere. Red flag. And it supports research. Yeah, reassure it will definitely do.

But that doesn't make it not a red flag. Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean, someone in Phillip my chat at the beginning of the show said, by the way, AI told someone to unalive themselves again. And at this point, it's happening so often. It's like not even newsworthy anymore. Your smart companion understands you. No, it doesn't.

It's just lines of code. It's a little more complicated than that. But basically, it's just lines of code. It doesn't understand anything. Okay? Emotional support. Jesus, they're actually, they're saying the quiet part out loud, where they're just like, yeah,

we want to hook you emotionally on the dopamine hit that our product will give you. And maybe we won't make it a subscription someday and milk you. continuously forever yeah oh my god support you can feel whenever you need it

oh my god they learn and respond uniquely to their owner's actions becomes part of the family perfectly portable I mean yeah portable a safe and non-judgment companion okay i want to i want to unpack that a little bit there are certain things

that like shame and embarrassment and societal and peer pressure um can be good for you should feel a little bit of judgment about certain things i'm not going to get into what they are because i leave that to yours and your community's morality, right? Yeah. I'm not going to push my own values on you because I don't know you. But literally every community in existence ever has always had something. Share values like, hey, maybe, you know, incest is bad, right? That's something that hopefully, oh my God, hopefully we can literally all agree on.

Some communities Look, I don't want to talk about the royal family today Sorry, David Which one? Well, specifically the English That was who that's going to happen I don't think punching up counts Yeah, I mean, they have so much more money than me

That I think I'm allowed to take shots which to be clear is not actually how things necessarily should work but they have definitely got so much more incest than me that I think I can I can take shots I was trying to work that in but good job thanks I do think there's a thing that's more universally hated that they may or may not also be allegedly engaged in relations with the little ones

well okay so that the reason I didn't choose that is that unfortunately, and this is deeply tragic, is not universally agreed on. There are many parts of them. Well, neither is the one that you said. So on a... Welcome to the world. Roll tide. The roll tide was amazing.

Bye, my love. We got them, Dan. Hi, Luke, how are you? Is he going to make it back? I think we, uh, I think we ended him. Cool. I can find a topic. Yeah, a new topic.

I don't even know what we were talking about. Oh, whoa, he came. That's not where I expected to come back from. All right. Anyway, one of my biggest problems with AI is that they just affirm you. And complete non-judgmentality is, I don't personally believe healthy

necessarily depending on what it's not judging. There are things that your AI should judge. Oh my God, wellness benefits They're literally selling it as a wellness tool Like you should not be fucking allowed to do this Where are the regulatory bodies that are going Hey, AI is an experimental ass piece of bullshit And you can't market this as health and wellness

You actually don't know that, you haven't proven that Like this is literally why regulations exist for things like food and drugs so that you can't sell people wellness. Literally, this is literally snake oil, literally. To be clear, AI, machine learning, generative AI can be very useful tools. I'm not inherently saying that I'm anti these tools I'm saying that we shouldn't be able

to sell them as things that they are not and wellness they are not at this time oh my god anyway I don't think I can look at this anymore what do you want to talk about next

yeah let's do that Is there something more positive? No. Opening I announces plans to add aid estimation, and Twitch adds age verification. Opening I says that they're building, in quotes, building toward a long-term system to understand whether someone is over or under 18 in order to give them age-appropriate policies in prompts and generation. Twitch has also implemented age verification using the same system as Discord requiring users to upload a photo of their face. Discussion question is first chat GPT notifies laws enforcement law enforcement in certain circumstances and now age verification so much for valuing user privacy. Is all this inevitable? How else could this go?

It totally is inevitable and there is no other way that it could go and your only way out is locally running AI. Wendell has a great video on it. I'm not going to go bother find it again but run your AI locally. Do it locally. It's the only way out, the only path forward. Find a way. Nice.

I looked at the bracket instead of the camera. There we go. Nice. All right. I don't want to talk about that for any longer either. Can we find some good news? Do you have any good news? Hey, there's a date set for a UK Parliament debate on the Stop Killing Games petition. The debate was confirmed in July, but now has a date set of November 3rd.

We have a link to format of Petitions Debate, if you're interested. Can't say I'm that interested. But there are some potential outcomes, so Petitions Debates can't directly change the law or result in a vote to implement the request of the petition, but they can help raise awareness of the issue among members of Parliament and the wider public and put pressure on the government. So it seems like the best outcome we can realistically hope for is spreading awareness so that MPs realize that this is a cause that their constituents care about. So this is the whole thing where if you release a game and someone pays for it, you can't just like turn it off and decide that, well, it's off now.

Sorry you paid for it. Good luck. Have fun. And hopefully we can continue to gain momentum here and eventually they will not be able to do that anymore. Cool. Good chat. What else we got here?

Do you want to do our last main topic? Oh, I forgot that was. even up there. Yeah. You want to talk through that one? Sure. This is pretty wild. Asus gaming laptops are broken and apparently have been since 2021.

Mohamed Matala, aka Zepheck, Zepheck on GitHub, has posted an extensive account of his investigation into stuttering, freezing, and other performance hiccups that have plagued to high-end ASSUS laptops since 2021. For years, users have reported stuttering during basic tasks like YouTube playback, audio crackles, and pops on Discord calls, and the mouse cursor freezing for just long enough to be infuriating. The problems impact millions of ASUS Strix, SCAR, and Zephyrus laptops, which typically include top-tier Intel CPUs, RTX, 30 or 40 series GPUs, and plenty of RAM.

Users typically report trying everything to fix their systems, with many even installing Linux, only to find the problems persist regardless of the operating system. Which reminds me a lot of the Lenovo laptop I'm currently running where the system just, the main screen just stops working randomly and I have to close it and open it again. It's fantastic.

Using freely available tools, Zepkek was able to monitor process latencies under Windows on multiple impacted systems, finding enough evidence to implicate high DPC or deferred procedure call latency, originating with ACPI.sys, but that doesn't mean it's a Windows problem.

ACPI.s. isn't a typical driver. It's effectively an interpreter for the ACPI machine language, the code provided by the laptop's firmware. If ACPI.sys is slow, it's because the firmware is passing inefficient or flawed code to execute. Not good. Digging further, Zepkek discovered that the latency spikes aren't random events. They recur reliably. every 30 to 60 seconds. While random interruptions might point to thermal throttling, a repeating pattern shows that it's a systemic issue, perhaps a timer or a scheduled event in the system logic.

Reviewing raw event data, and it wouldn't be something like Armory Crate because it still happened when they installed Linux. Okay, interesting. Because my first assumption was like, maybe this is something going on with Armory Crate. Reviewing raw event data uncovered a high priority interrupt handler,

GPE LO2, consistently taking more than 13 milliseconds to execute, which, as far as high-priority interrupts go, is in extremely long time. It might as well be forever. And then it repeats itself roughly every 30 seconds. Event data also revealed that the system repeatedly tries to turn the discrete GPU on and off, even when it's supposed to be permanently active. That's rough. Every time that interrupt is fired, the same sequence occurs. The handler checks battery status. Firmware tries to change the GPU's power state.

The system runs normally for 30, 60 seconds, and then rinse and repeat. Zepheck extracted and decompiled the ACPI. I love that they could have the mad lad. This is so awesome. Zephkech extracted and decompiled the ACPI tables provided by the BIOS to the operating system. Finding code, he says, violated several fundamental principles of firmware and kernel programming. Oof. There are multiple calls to sleep inside the interrupter handler code.

There's a link here of disassembled code, and the comments are from the Zepkek. The sleep function completely halts the execution of the CPU core. It is running on, which then can't process other interrupts and won't allow the kernel to schedule other threads or to update system timers. And it gets worse. The entire loop is effectively a poorly designed. task scheduler inside the interrupt handler, which can hold a CPU core hostage for seconds at a time, which when you're trying to use the computer is going to feel horrible. When the event queue is finally empty, the code generates a new artificial event,

guaranteeing that another interrupt will fire shortly, creating the pattern of ACPI spikes observed in the initial investigation and creating a pattern of muddy-feeling computer usage. This is compounded by a number of other issues, including failing to check which GPU is active before sending potentially damaging commands to it, calling time-intensive power and battery-polling functions in the middle of already-stalled interrupt handlers, and implementing a second separate power management system in the firmware that features many of the same problems. It is a long technical report, if this wasn't already, and there's so much more that we just glossed over. So go check it out for yourself.

Dan, do you want to throw links in the video, or in the chats on the various platforms? Thank you. And it says that the conclusion makes an excellent TLDR. Asus has put out a statement on X or Twitter or whatever it's called, stating that they've seen recent reports and are actively investigating, which, Dan, the discussion question is, what the hell, Esos, five years, and then had. Is chat run into this? How did a Seuss handle your support requests? And what do they need to do to make this right? That's tough.

I mean, they need to fix it first. Yeah. Regardless of whether the system is still under warranty, they need to, or being actively supported, they need to issue a firmware fix for this. Absolutely. But other than that.

Other than that, I doubt they will do anything else. But, I mean, honestly, Oh, man. They need to do at least that. They need firmware updates for all of these laptops that fix the ACPI issues. And that is going to be, I mean, if it's pretty much every high-performance laptop for five years, this is going to be a gargantuan task to go in and fix all the various, because I'm sure that they're not running the exact same code on a laptop from four years ago as today.

So whatever this is, it's probably persisted through multiple changes. So they need to go and they need to fix all different permutations of this. What a mess. It could be pretty similar. I just wonder why I would never have noticed it. Because I have daily driven a, like, I really like my, shoot, I forget what it's called right now, but the convertible one with the XG mobile connector.

Is that a Strix, SCAR, or Zephyrus? No, it's a flow. This said, the problems impact millions of Strix, Scar, or Zephyrus laptops. Oh, wait, no, it is a Zephyrus then? Zephyrus G13, is it?

Oh, no, hold on, what is it? Flow X... I think you might be, I think you might be on a Zephyrists. I think you might actually have one. The R-O-G-F. X-13. I don't think it's a Zephyrish. Just a flow. I also had a flow, so I wouldn't have noticed it either.

Apparently, the more cores you have, the less likely you are to notice it. And that was an eight-core laptop, so maybe that made a difference. Maybe. Unreal. In other news, China has accused NVIDIA of violating antitrust laws and has banned Chinese companies from buying their GPUs. Wow, yeah, China really cares a lot about fair competition in the market. So, dude, man, it's wild watching, actually, realistically, any of the big players these days complain about, like, international trade and international law and order.

It's just, they're so brazenly, transparently, only self-interested and hypocritical. way. China accuses Nvidia violating antitrust laws. What will this mean? I don't know, realistically, no amount of banning Nvidia GPUs by anyone to China seems to have made a lick of difference in terms of Chinese firms acquiring Nvidia GPUs. So I fully expect this to not change that much, but we'll see how it goes. And now I think it is time. The subtitle says this may also be another indirect tactic in the ongoing trade negotiations. It's like, hmm, yes, it may. It may.

For sure. The TikTok sale deadline has been extended. Again, apparently, I actually don't feel like talking about that either. So let's move on to when after dark, shall we? Let's do some merge messages. Yeah. Sure thing. Yeah, there's quite a few today.

It seems like people liked the sale. Yeah, I was just checking the store sales. And I forgot to do my usual reminder when we have a sale with a bunch of lost leaders to be like, hey so we're losing money on all that stuff could you like please add something else to your order so no one did so that's cool good to know that call that works it does it does people are actually usually pretty chill they're like oh yeah i'm getting a shirt for six dollars i should probably you know order a notebook or something else that has some margin that that seven dollar button down was uh that was definitely a deal that was a deal that was a deal of a

all time. Yeah. Appreciate you guys. Anyway. So, yeah, we defragged our warehouse, and that's cool. But that is all we accomplished today. I guess we also get some wonderful conversation starters in the form of these merch messages. Hit me, Luke. Dan, whatever your name is. Well, this one is for Luke. I can see how you read that with brain split. Question for Luke. How is learning Godot going. Thank you. Oh, I haven't touched that in a while. It's a good question. I've wanted to get back to it. I've been rad.

I don't know if I've touched it since joining laps. Nice. Like it all. Looks been pretty busy. Yeah. I will get back to it. It was fun. I was having good time. So my plan at the time was to make something that I would never be able to release. I don't know if I ended up talking about this on the show at all. Um, or I wanted to,

I just, I didn't want to think about the inspiration of the thing that I wanted to make. I just wanted to make like a self tech demo. Like, what can I do? I want to learn. I want to get used to working in this system. What can I do? So for some reason, it came to mind that I wanted to recreate Kelifin, which is like the elf starting area from EverQuest that I played when I was like 10 or something. Um, but I wanted to make it. in 2D and imperfectly, but it gave me a framework for like, okay, there are these types of enemies, there is this friendly area where you can have like shops and stuff, and then there's this like more advanced area with orcs later on that you have to go into a cave. Like it gave me

like, okay, I have a perfect picture of exactly what I need to make. I know the leveling, scaling, I know the difficulty scaling, I know the loot, everything, boom, done. So I didn't have to think about that anymore. I just had to make it. And that felt like a good, like, okay, I can actually start building things immediately instead of like humming and hawing for years over what exact game I want to make is like, no, I'm just going to do something. And I got decently progressed into that. I had different zones. So unlike an EverQuest where you just like walk, you could like zone into the town of Kelifan. So you didn't go up the elevator into the trees anymore. You just walked in. And then you could walk out into like the forest and there was the skeletons

and the bees and whatever, and then you could walk out further and then zone out into where the orcs were, and you could kill stuff and loot things, and that all kind of sort of worked, which was neat. And then I want to keep going from there. So we'll see. But I'm going to need a little bit more free time. So definitely not this month, because this month has been the busiest ever. And probably when my house is not effectively non-function. So those two things will need to be resolved And then we'll get moving again Next, Vimeo sold to bending spoons

Company that bought We Transfer Change the terms of service to include AI training Where can creative safely host Their short films and reels without breaking bank On float plane for price? I hate that this is the answer But that is such a niche use case That most people aren't even going to think of

Much less be willing to pay for that I don't even know if it would be worth it for us to develop like a paid video hosting tier. I mean, Luke, am I totally off base here? Am I completely missing this? It sounds like Vimeo. But Vimeo sold to Bending Spoons. Oh.

And they changed the TOS to include AI training. That's the whole question. Loop phased out of the kind of... I did for the beginning of the thing. I thought it was specifically for Linus, so I was, yeah, I tuned back in later on, but I don't, I don't think it makes a ton of sense for us. Dude, I just heard back from the tape-to-ta-ta-ta-ta-dev team just right now, the update I just pushed should help fix the defenseman behavior. These guys are so awesome. That's pretty legit.

I, we could do it, but there's another path that we're currently following that I think, Okay, so we have this problem where, like, there was one specific point in time in the history of Flowplane where we had a bunch of creators asking for features, and they were like, yeah, if you supported X or Y feature, I would join the platform. Yeah. And we did a number of things in order to support said features, some of which were not light lifts. I'm talking like very extensive work, very extensive changes. And I'm fairly certain genuinely zero of them that said, hey, if you support this thing, I'll join, ever did join. It's been a pattern for us that creators, and we're not going to pretend that we're perfect either because I think both of us struggle in this area. But creators have a tendency to be very busy, spread very thin, very, in some cases, like hyper-focused.

on other things. And what that boils down to is creators, and I hate to generalize, but I will because I'm one of them, so I'm allowed to do it, I think. I think that's how this works. Creators tend to be pretty fucking flaky. Oh, yeah.

There, I said it. Yeah, so, like, one of the ways that we've, so we have, we have three different polls on our development team, right? We have, we have the users, we have the creators. Poles, P-U-L-L-L-S, just so you guys are clear. It sounded like P-O-L-L-S.

LLS or POLES. I guess there's kind of like four. There's the users, there's the creators, there's the like business, and then there's the developers. Because we have to make some stuff that is for the developers, right? You have to do work that is tuned towards making our lives not completely horrible because if you never do that, then your lives are horrible. Well, not only that, but you end up in a situation where you can't make anything because

you just have so much tech debt that so much of your time is wasted, maintaining junk, and you just can't, you, you end up cycling forever without actually producing anything. So you have to do some dev tasks, you have to do some creator tasks, you have to do some user tasks, and you have to do some business tasks. And if you don't do a little bit of everything, someone will get pissed off. And we've kind of shifted the creator tasks, mostly, not entirely, but mostly away from prospective creators to doing development for the creators that we have. And then if that results in us gaining new creators, then great. And if it results in the creators that we currently have being happier, then fantastic.

And that's it. But our batting average is extremely low for doing things for other creators that then results in them actually joining the platform. the literal only time that that has actually ever worked was the open sauce team with sauce plus which was the biggest bet that we ever made in that working so I'm happy that it turned out yeah feel free to hit us Dan sure our IT department just removed user admin privileges and uninstalled almost all software so we can't 3D print et cetera. Question, where is the line between cybersecurity and be being able to get work done? Yes, that is a really good question. Dan and Luke, feel free to address this because I was trying to, so this was a WAN show a few weeks ago.

This was a WAN show a few weeks ago. I was trying to get a microphone working and I couldn't install the driver, then I couldn't install the software, then I couldn't install some dependency in order to get. my stupid Elgado microphone, the one that is right in front of Luke right now, I was trying to get that working and I couldn't on my stupid work laptop and I basically, in a fit of rage, said, turn this off on my laptop right now because I need to be able to work. And I'm sure that we've all felt that feeling while still at the same time fully understanding the importance of these protection mechanisms and recognizing the kinds of catastrophes that they can prevent. So how do we balance that, Luke? In that situation, I think it was the right tool applied to the wrong people, if that makes sense. I think like, it's tough because we as an

IT team overreacted to us having security issues. We had the hack a while ago, and then we had the Twitter barbecue more recently we also have a this guy who needs to do a huge variety of things

with his devices so it's hard to like and have so many devices and so many devices always changing those devices are often like given to other people for certain periods of time

and then also he'll have like three phones at once but he doesn't want to actually migrate his security tools from one phone to another, ever. So like, it's a pain. It's a hassle. We're tasked with, one second. Oh, fun, fun times. We're tasked with securing something that is under a decent amount of attack,

with custom tailored attacks as well. that most of the people, not most of the people, that a lot of the people here can't have advanced security or else it impacts their ability to do their jobs in some cases or just extremely slows them down in other cases. Writing team would be a great example of that. Like it's literally their job to install random software that nobody ever heard of, you know?

Yeah. But then they're also major targets because a lot of them have public-facing personas. Really high-level access to different things. So it's tough, and we've made mistakes there. We've pushed security too much in a way that negatively impacted people to the point where their ability to do their jobs was impacted enough that they were very frustrated. This has happened.

In one of those cases, we used a really fantastic tool, but we tried to deploy it, I was going to say site wide, but I mean like company wide. And it technically still is, but we tried to deploy it in like a really low level for them. And it just didn't work for them like at all. So how it's currently working is we have it in like a listening mode. So it's not actually doing anything. And if we detect a problem, we can crank it up. So it's already on the system, which is, which is I think the better way to use it. But that's not how we initially deployed it.

So it created some frustrations. And I think this type of thing will somewhat always be a problem. Um, but we're, we're trying to find the fine balance between not just leaving the door completely open, but still allowing people to do their jobs with as little friction as possible. Yeah. Um, it, it frustrates me to no end that, you know, to log into something. I have to do like a song, dance and, and, uh, and, and just waste a ton of time and, and all this other kind of stuff. But then I also understand that my accounts, if compromise would be really bad. Uh, yeah. Sean in Flooplane chat just said, if there were no users, my job would be simple. Yeah. So it is what it is.

Yeah. Standing in the unemployment line is a simple job. To be clear, it's not a threat or an attack at Sean. Sean's amazing. We love Sean. I just mean, like, if there were no users, you wouldn't need an IT admin either. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's one of those things where it's like you have like a horrible, aggressive chicken and a rotten egg. You know, you have to, you can't have an IT department without users. You can't have users without an IT department. They're always kind of at odds with each other a little bit. It's an interesting company to do things at too, right? Because like, we'll do something and we'll have three quarters of the company, not even notice. And like, it is intense levels of lockdown and they don't even notice because we've done, we've done a lot of pre-planning to try to catch as many use cases as we can. And then that same thing will apply

to another department and like seconds into it, they're like, I cannot function. Everything is ruined. Turn this off now. So we have to have stuff that's like custom tailored to all these different departments and stuff. And that's getting easier and easier to do over time.

It's, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all right. All right. How long do you think before Risk 5 architectures disrupt the X-86 marketplace for Intel and AMD. At least a few more years. Soon. But soon.

Yeah. I mean, X-86, yeah, that's going to be a little while, but in terms of like embedded devices, it's happening now. Thanks for the discounts. What do you think would happen to Valve or? Steam if Gabon weren't to step down without a succession plan. I fear the changes that would happen if Valve went public.

Valve is one of those companies that clearly has a guiding North Star that is not only how to make enough money to buy the Earth and all the heavens and all of the large ships that sail within them. and I share the same concern because Steam is not a monopoly because they do have legitimate competition but they are absolutely a behemoth in the space and whatever they do it's like how I'm always whining about whatever Apple does because they're so powerful in the space

that whatever they do is ultimately going to spread everywhere else and so as long as Valve continues to do things that are good and are largely beneficial for gamers then the gaming space will be improved by that. But if Valve were to become more restrictive or become more anti-consumer, then I think that would proliferate everywhere. Yeah, I fear what would change

if Valve went public as well. Yeah, this was a speculation. I don't know if it was on our subreddit because someone like cross-posted it or if it was on our subreddit because someone originated it there, but this was a discussion on the subreddit recently and it was

it was concerning. That was, I think, one of those moments where it's like, you know, nothing is, nothing is as permanent

as it may seem because, like, for pretty much close to the entire history of what I remember of gaming with an internet connection,

Steam has existed for me. It's been there for you. Yeah. And then the idea of it being significantly compromised is like something that hasn't really been a concern. you know there's there's concerns with it taking a 30% cut from developers and stuff sure it is um how they treat the user has never actually really been a concern um

and the user aka the source of skin skins milk to be clear not everything valve does is like super you know great um not at all but but i think they are pretty clearly the best out of the various options. And we'll see what happens when he eventually must leave us. So Sychaias asks, there's no point for Valve to go public though, right? They make so much money.

Do they have to go public if Gabe dies without a proper replacement? Would it even make financial sense to go public? So going public would be a way for them to be owned by, you know, the people. but realistically, it would probably be a bunch of private equity firms. Yeah. Isn't it like 1% of people own, I think it's like 97% of stocks or some crazy crap like that? I don't remember the exact numbers. I don't think they're quite that extreme, but it is quite extreme.

And then, but if they sold to private equity. So the problem with an asset like Valve is that the only entities that can afford to buy it are the kinds of entities that have a key. accumulated so much wealth, usually through not giving a fuck about anything other than the acquisition of wealth that you wouldn't really want them to be in charge of something that you want to care about you. That's the problem. And if Gatman were to just like bequeath it to the employees of Valve or something like that, that would be extremely complicated too. The tax bill on such a bequeathment would probably bankrupt them all before

they could get a benefit from owning it anyway. Well, actually, no, Valve is so profitable that maybe not. Either way, it would be legally complicated and from a corporate governance standpoint, I don't know that I'm convinced that that would be a great system anyway. Like, like, so what Valve would go, like, co-op essentially? I don't know. I have, I have, I mean, I'm not personal friends with gay men. We've exchanged emails once, I think. I don't even know if he actually replied. I don't remember. But the point is, um, I worry about it. And, and I don't think the succession is or will be simple. So apparently the top 1% own roughly 50% of all corporate entities and mutual fund shares. The combined top 10% of people own, own 87% of the market.

So the chance that, you know, it'll be truly owned by the people is, in my opinion, non-existent. Cool. Next, greetings from Europe. I've learned a ton of management lessons from your wild CEO stories, everything for managing cookies to people.

Do you ever miss those challenges and the lessons they brought? No, I don't think. think so. I think I'm largely glad that I have the experience that I have today, even if in some cases it makes things less fun. Like I can't say the kind of stuff that I used to say because I, you know, I've learned lessons about how people will interpret it. With that said, if anything, I've probably leaned back more YOLO lately now that I'm in my zero-fix given phase. and I don't miss being more buttoned up either

I think it's always evolving and you always have to be learning and while you change and evolve the world is changing and evolving around you as well like working with the people who are joining the team today is not the same as working with the people who joined the team

12 years ago anymore people have changed I've changed everything the world has changed and I don't think I miss it and I like and I'm still learning maybe that's part of it too is if i wasn't still learning every day then i might miss that time when i was challenged and learned but every uh challenged in learning but now if every day is a challenge every day is i was going to say you still are never stops which is which is good but tiring

hey let's say if linus friend jimmy decides to move his tonight show to floatplane would there be Perhaps a need for a network upgrade More dev time priority Or Luke wouldn't even notice I mean So Jimmy doesn't own the Tonight show Just throwing that out there Um

Wait Wait hold on a second Kimmel is that I can never remember what all the Various shows are called Does he even host the Tonight show Think about Yotsie leaving Escapist moving to Second Wind

They just kind of rebranded it No, Tonight show is Who actually I can never remember What all the various shows So the late show is Stephen Colbert Tonight show is Jimmy Fallon I think you've got your Jimmy's confused

It's Jimmy Kimmel Live That was pulled off the air What was the question again? Moves to Flowplane, what happens? Probably not that much To be honest with you Live would be really challenging If they actually intend to live stream

but I need to work on our live stuff Jonathan was here today which is why nothing went wrong that's just how the universe works but up next love your content and merch

if you had a possibility to reawaken with the hype any dead or discontinued online game what would it be reawaken with the hype reawaken with the oh like like like it was

when it launched and like everyone's into it and the community is vibrant or whatever something like that is that what we're talking about I think pretty much just like bring one back from the dead and people are into it because it's not online game so you can't really like do it without the players right oh that's a

that's a really good question man I don't I don't My problem is it's not the hype, it's the culture. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm assuming it's both. Like, it's the player base and the vibe. I don't know that they're hand in hand, because the culture is like how people approach the game. Like, think about how people played Counterstrike when we were kids compared to how people play Counterstrike now.

It's not a hype thing. You just mean the general culture of, like, extreme sweatiness in every element of gaming? Yes. Yeah. But if you could bring back the hype. you could bring back a large enough player base that there'd be someone for anyone to play with. I do find that that happens, but I find

that it only lasts for like at maximum a week or two. I think we saw this with battle bit where like for the first of a while battle bit was really, really fun. It was people kind of messing around

you'd have like war cries as the matches would start. Like was cool and then people kind of stop talking and focusing on just kill farming instead of having fun and playing objectives and doing stuff like that that happens all of the time it's i find online gaming just objectively less fun now because everyone thinks they're going to be the next competitive gamer all of the time people are like you don't play multiplayer games without watching meta build guides on youtube um Like it's, it's, uh, old man yells at cloud though, Luke.

No, for sure. I get that. Back in my day, we wore the meta on our belts, which was the fashion at the time. I think a, I think a big problem with this as well is the lack of server browsers. Yeah. Because like back in the Counterstrike days, again, there would be those like weird mods. Like you could play like the Warcraft 3 Counterstrike mod where your character would have like Warcraft 3 abilities and like level up and like all this weird stuff. There was scouts and knives for like the people who wanted to sweat and there was other

weird game modes for other people. When it's just matchmaking, put me in a random game mode. Calculate my MMR, Daddy. Yeah, I think, and that's publicly shown all the time. Like it makes you focus on one thing. And that thing is not necessarily maximizing your amount of fun. two fort no hats is is based um i like a gary's mod from matt rules 12 yeah yeah um maybe something not sweaty my selfish answer for this one would be supreme commander vanilla i didn't like

the changes to forged alliance um and supreme commander was just goaded it was so good um but i think a more realistic answer for what would give me more long-term enjoyment would probably be left for dead um yeah left for dead two added a lot i personally felt it added too much uh left for dead one was was tight it was um well there's only four campaigns or something i think four or six something like that and there was only four special infected um there are some areas where the new infected did balance things a little bit better i think the spitter was an essential add on because it kept the survivors from cornering up too much and just kind of just being an impenetrable wall of bullets in front of a corner and making it impossible to get at them at all um but yeah left

left for dead one back to peak hype would be amazing team fortress two pre bullshit uh would also be amazing so like no hats no special weapons just balanced gameplay um that i think is just kind of missing in the current version of it. And it was simpler. There's a reason chess has withstood the test of time. It's easy to learn, impossible to master, and that's what I feel some of those earlier iterations of games that are still around today, like TF2 is still around today.

But it was easy to learn impossible to master when every character just had their one load out of weapons, and both teams only had the same roster of characters to choose from. So it was all move, counter move, whereas now it's like, I don't know, there's too many variables. You can't balance it. It's impossible. Yeah. What's the Linus method for cleaning the desk pad?

Keep missing the deals on a new one? The correct way is to just take a damp cloth and, like, wipe it down. I have personally run them in the in the washing machine I have done okay with it customer service yells at me every time I talk about doing that though because apparently it's bad really bad depending on your washing machine and stuff so don't do that so if you just use like a damp cloth

and wipe it down that's one thing that or that's one way to do it you can also use soap like just like you would clean a stain out of a carpet you can put some soap in the damp water just I would I've tested in a corner where it's not that visible first before you use a cleaning agent on it but just like dish soap should probably be fine and then rinse it off.

MLB playoffs are right around the corner and Canada's team is in first place will y'all be following the Jay's post season also go Astros baseball is a sport that I don't think I've followed since about 1994 so like all the baseball players

I know are like Ken Griffey Jr. So it would be really hard for me to... It would be hard for me to jump back into it, I think, at this point. Good luck, Jay's, though. Apparently, our women's rugby team just won the semis, though. Oh, let's go. Yeah.

Nice. Hell yeah. The last one I got for you. Hey there, my question to you is, out of all the things you have publicly upgraded throughout the channel, Which one did you regret and which one did you absolutely love? Ooh, I regretted upgrading to the sets that we built in our warehouse here when we first moved in. Sets, it turns out, were not warm, huggy-muggy vibes the way that working out of a house were for the audience,

and they made that very, very clear to us. as for which one I absolutely loved I'm going to go with air conditioning in the warehouse it's a really expensive upgrade both in terms of the initial deployment and in terms of the ongoing costs to maintenance and power but boy does it ever improve the

livability of our spaces I love air conditioning that's all I got that's it for today well hey thank you guys very much for tuning into this the randomly early show

we'll see again next week same bad time same bad channel all right bye all right all right all right all right

you all right All right, I got to bounce. Have a good date.