The WAN Show - We’re The Best In The World At Computer - WAN Show May 16, 2025

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It's Wenshow time and I for one am ticked, teed, peeved, irate. How can they do this? We've got a lot of great topics for you guys this week, starting of course with VPN secure canceling lifetime subscriptions because they didn't know about them. What does that even mean? Oh, oh, oh, in much better news, we are officially the best at computer. That's right, we have this Guinness World Record

to show that we computed more than anybody ever computed before, along with our partner Keoksia, talking a little bit about the behind the scenes of that, how that came to pass. What else we got? Philips debuts 3D printable repair components for Phillips products, which is cool and rather surprising. And also, apparently, podcasters don't want public play counts. So I guess- I know why. ...Full plane is very feature first on this one.

I think I know why. I know why. Oh, people are upset I didn't say welcome to the WAN show. Welcome to the WAN show! It's been so many years since we actually sat on a couch. Yeah. The show is brought to you today by Vessi, Delete Me, and Squarespace. Of course, alongside our rap partner Dbrand, our laptop partner Dell, and our chair partner... Oops. Secret Lab.

Technically, it was only a little bit over a year because of the April Fool's Dream. Oh, I guess that's fair That is true Yeah, she was there fact checking us fact checking us. Oh, he said it too Nice, let's jump right into our headline topic Which is of course a lot of you in the comments on today's video on us getting yes my friends It is real. The number of people that I saw being like, I thought it was a bit. I thought it was like a bit.

No no no no no. No no no. It's um, 300 trillion bits. That's right my friends. Thank you Dan. We actually did get the verified Guinness World Record for calculating the most accurate value of pi, which was to 300 trillion decimal places. And I only vaguely remember how this came to be, but Luke, I kind of want to hear a little bit about how infra has felt about this project that has been, as far as I can tell, very much in the way of things that

they've been trying to do over the last, I would say months, but realistically it's been more like years. So I will tell you that the project started in the same way that a lot of projects start around here and You guys probably remember back when we did the million dollar PC So we had the these GPU compute nodes and and realistically it was the oodles and oodles of high-speed PCIe Storage that made it so expensive So we showed you know what a what a, you know, data center class node could actually be used for. I believe we did some simulations on it

and stuff like that. We showed how high-speed storage is so important to powering these kinds of workloads. And then we were done with it and everybody wanted their hardware back, which made us kind of go reasonable, but hear me out. What if we keep the hardware and since we've got it, we do something really cool with it? So whenever we get our hands on something that enables something that almost nobody else in the world could do, we are highly incentivized to try to do more stuff with that

hardware. Not because there's actually like a compelling business reason for us to have had that stuff lying around. As far as I can tell, we have done absolutely nothing of use with the million dollar PC in the entire time that we've had it. And the majority of that time has been to try and get this project going, which ended up being a huge challenge. Jake was, uh, Jake, I don't know if he ended up putting it in the final edit because I saw a version of the edit that I signed off on, then I think we made some more changes but basically he has this spreadsheet where he went through like every tunable in Y-Cuncher and basically did like before after before after before after before like it is the most flipping tuned Y-Cuncher not because Y-Cuncher is not good already but because

as far as we can tell nobody has ever used it quite like this with network distributed storage in this fashion. So that's how the whole thing started. We were like, hey, we should try to find something else to do with this super powerful hardware. Why don't we calculate more digits of pi? We kind of glossed over it in the video, but keeping this thing fed has been an absolute nightmare. And I wanna, before Luke jumps in,

I wanna address one more thing that I saw a lot of in the comments, and that is, wow, your infrastructure in Canada must be shit if you guys lose power that often. Okay, couple things. First of all, in this area in particular, yeah, it does kind of feel that way. Dude, we lose power at the office alarmingly frequently,

especially given that this is an industrial zone, one that they are moving a hospital into. They are literally building a hospital across the street from labs, like right there. And we have lost power, I kid you not, like somewhere between half a dozen and 10 times in the last calendar year. It has been unbelievable. With that said, I was sorry, at a certain point in my growing up, we lived on the same grid as the hospital that we were near at one point in time. And you would just never lose power.

The whole, everyone else would lose power and we would be fine forever. And then that stopped being a thing and it was a sad day. It's all about priority. So yeah, I've also found that oddly enough for some reason you're talking about the infrastructure around us isn't that great, I find I lose power less than the office does. Oh dude this area. Like my current residential setup is more resilient than the office area. This area is the pits. However in their defense, there is kind of a good reason for it. This part of the Lower Mainland is quite built out, but not built up.

So it's quite spread out, it kind of sprawls. And our power lines, because of that, were cost-effectively constructed on wooden poles. So our power line, our power poles and our telephone poles, they kind of share infrastructure and they're just overhead power lines. So if you've ever been to Vancouver, you might know that we are known for having, for not just leveling all of the trees in our cities, which is nice, you know, beautiful even, you might say, beautiful British Columbia, that's what it says on our license plates. But it is a bit of a double-edged sword.

And when we have a windstorm, which, hey, you know, just like the rest of the world, seems to be happening a lot more frequently around here these days. I wonder if there's some kind of thing that might be contributing to that. I don't know, it's a great mystery, at least for, you know, half of the world that can't figure it out We're having a lot more wind storms lately than we used to and so Branches and trees are coming down on those power lines a lot more than they used to so our infrastructure was designed

for the very mild climate that we used to have and mild climate that we used to have and the very mild storms that we used to have. And now our climate tends to dip lower in lows during the winter, get higher in the highs during the summer, and we tend to have a lot more windstorms. So it's been a learning curve, I guess, is what I would say. That doesn't mean I'm happy about it. It wasn't great that we lost power a bunch of times

during the Pi attempt, and also just generally lose power a lot. It's pretty inconvenient for business operations, but overall, I don't think it's slowed us down too much over the years. Okay, so what have you guys gone through? Because there's been cooling failures, power failures, just generally us being up in your biz,

like, Infer must be not that stoked on this project, hey? Dan might have more to comment here than me, but honestly, that's those same things, basically. Because in a few cases, we've been called in to try to help with that sound. Like even with the actually fairly extensive sound deadening that that room has on it, the infra team is sat, especially Thomas, is sat right next to it and straight through all that sound deadening. It's been real loud and screaming real hard the whole time. I got some notes from Jake here. I mentioned that this is going to be a topic and asked

if there's anything he wanted to add. He said, don't pick the cheapest HVAC quote. He said that a lot of people were commenting on asking how it was actually verified or if we just calculated 300 trillion digits of nothing. But apparently it's something called BBP extraction or Bailey-Borwin-Plouffe extraction where you can calculate specific ranges of digits instead of the whole thing. So Alexander Yee, the Y-Cruncher dev, ran two separate BBP verifications against the last chunk of digits in hex form to validate, and this took around six hours each on a very fast computer.

So apparently, no, you don't have to run the whole thing twice. And it gets spot checked against the existing record sets, including 202 trillion and 100 trillion from Google, etc. And yeah, Jake is also saying that he could run over to the set and add some context or questions, which could be cool. Sure, yeah. No, this has been Jake's pet project

for over a year at this point, getting it over the line. It's amazing how dedicated that young man can be when the objective is purely to create the world's largest peen. That makes a lot of sense. For quite literally no purpose other than to have the biggest computer peen. I'm not saying he doesn't work hard on other stuff.

In fact, someone, Casper Explorer in the Float Plane chat says, hey, I thought you guys just made a video about DIYing battery backup. Battery backup the lab? He's actually been trying to get me to do a massive power backup project here for quite some time. And yes, the like weird, we know it's at least a little bit sketchy setup that I have at my house right now, was meant to be stage one.

Stage two is hopefully like a bigger setup at my house, because that's still a manageable scale. And if these projects continue to pique people's interest, Stage 3 could be a larger, more resilient solution that's here at the office. So, you know, never underestimate this young man, whether he's doing something actually useful, like, you know, DIYing a UPS for a fraction of the cost, or whether he's doing this. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, I know he's in the chat right now if people have questions over in Float Plane chat. He's coming over.

Oh, is he? He's gonna join you. Isaac V asks, why not a diesel generator so you guys can keep going, maybe a more proven way for a business? So a diesel generator is not as simple as just like buy a diesel generator. You have to actually like make sure

the diesel fuel doesn't go bad. Like when we checked out Equinix's setup, they had to have like their own fuel conditioning, I think it's called, but basically like to rejuvenate the fuel on-site and make sure that it doesn't go bad in their storage tanks that like tanks are underground but also like they have like I think they have like counterweight or something so they don't like float in a flood or what like it's not it's not that simple to do an entire building diesel backup, and it does take ongoing maintenance.

And the actual business disruption of our occasional power outages is not that high. Like if it goes out for an hour or two, we can just be like, okay, well, realistically all we can do is lean or clean. So find one of those things to do. Um, and a lot of the time it's out overnight, like it's, it hasn't, you have to do a business like cost analysis. Um, okay if you guys have questions, Jake's gonna sit in Luke's chair.

You're gonna go around? Okay, he's gonna go around the back. I mean, that's a path. That's a path that people can take. I tried to warn him. He could have just quickly passed in front of this camera, but instead he decided to take, you know what, hi. How you doing? Where are the headphones? What? I was expecting you to arrive! Right here. If you guys have any questions about the whole thing, feel free to throw those over in the float plane chat.

Brother. Wait, where's his quarter inch jack adapter? What kind of professional podcast set is this? I wish I could... oh I can't't why is Dan right in front of Luke I can't I can't show oh thank you Daniel that's okay Dan's a professional he always always keeps a three and a half millimeter to quarter inch adapter in his back pocket at all times Dan is this true of course of course it's. And also a quarter inch to three and a half mil. Yeah, exactly, he always has one. I own a MacBook, that's why I have a USB anything to type C adapter.

Are we allowed to talk about the load of utter horse sh** that getting one of these certificates is these days? I don't know that that... Is this on? Can you hear me through here? I can't hear you through here, I can I can't hear you through I can I don't know that I want to do that Okay, because I got to tell you it was a lot of work though

I'll tell you this much Okay, the process of getting the certificate is definitely different from what the process was back when we did Highlander Like almost ten years ago. It's also very different if you're doing it for like, I'm a personal record. I'm like, I'm on my chugging later the most bananas finding pie in a minute or something. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Or reciting pie from your brain. You don't usually, I think you don't have to pay money or it's not a very large amount of money, but when you're doing something that's corporate, it's advertising.

So they expect to get paid for it. And a lot. Not 300 trillion digits have paid, but more than two. There's a password on this laptop. More than three. I don't know what the password is. Can you get multiple? More than two. There's a password on this laptop. More than three. I don't know what the password is. Can you get multiple? More than four.

Because I know we have the world record thing for Highlander. You don't have it? Do you only have? I thought they sent them to all the participants. No, I have one. Oh, oh, sorry. I completely misheard you then. Yeah, no, I said I know we have one.

But like, how many of that do you have? One? You can get as many as you want after. We have this one. You should probably get more than one. And then I ordered like a paper one because I wanted Linus to have a worse one. What the heck? You're cheap, so like, you didn't want to pay the $50 for the frame? You know what the worst part is? Am I wrong? He's laughing because it's true! You know what the worst part is?

That is 100% what I did the first time. Yeah, because that's in your office! It totally is, just a piece of paper! I was looking at that the other day and I was like, oh that's the Highlander one! Yeah, it's the cheapo one. Bro, you can buy that frame on Amazon. Not that I support Mr. Bezos, aside from when he trips and falls.

Oh my God. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, I wanna play a game. I wanna play a game. Okay, Dan, Dan, you're part of the game. I would like you to guess for each of us how many times we've watched Mr. Bezos eat shit. How many times we've watched the clip.

Okay, so each of us has to kind of think and write down what we think it is, how many times we think we've watched it. And if you watch it on loop, each loop counts as one. Each loop counts as one. So hold on, let me think for a second. Okay, if you show it to someone else, how many views does that count as?

Is that just one, or does it like, count as a multiple view for you? No, I think that's your one view. Okay, that's just one, okay. Okay, I got my number, I got my number. All right, I think I've got some too. Does Linus get to cheat, because did you show it on WAN show?

Ah, no. So do you get like- Did we? Yes. Oh, we did. Oh, I didn't count that one. So do you get like hundreds of thousands? No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, it only counts as one. It counts as one. Okay. I mean, does it count as like half of one just cause you're short? Okay, let's see how well, let's see how well Dan. I look small right now.

It's, oh, cause Luke has a big torso, right? Yeah My chair is lower than Linus's. Okay, Dan Okay, then each loop counts each loop counts. All right, so for Linus, I'm gonna say around 120 Oh, come on. That's not realistic. It's a dog who would have time for that I mean like spread out over many many weeks like we watch it Maybe four or five times on the WAN show at least. Did we?

Yeah, it was funny. I don't know if we watched it that many times. Jake, maybe I'm gonna say, I don't know, 20, 20, 30, something like that. No, not that funny. And I guess- What do you want me to say or am I waiting? I guess waiting.

And then maybe Luke like 10 to 20 times or something. Do you think Luke... dude what... okay all right okay so we have a bit of a problem here because I put down seven but I forgot that we watched it multiple times when we were looking at it on WAN show so realistically I'm probably closer to 20. We also watched it like 10 times during writers meeting. I don't think I was there for that one. Yeah, I missed that one. You might have been in the car still or something. Did you guys really? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were analyzing, like,

how did he biff this? Oh, he's just bad at walking. Dan said 10 to 20 for me. The number that I came up for myself was 15. 15, okay, so Dan nailed you. What I didn't realize originally is that it's not like a short loop. 15. Okay, so Dan nailed you. That's pretty good. What I didn't realize originally is that it's not like a short loop. What?

Pause. Oh. Oh, I missed it. It's not, it's like a, it's not a loop, it's like a video that you have to scroll back on. Yeah. So maybe, you know, 120 is probably a little bit. Yeah, that's probably not.

You don't just watch the video. Oh no, I mean people have- I mean I did rewind like the moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was manual show the people no no no I don't want to get copyrights. This is transformative, baby No, I don't want to get a copyright strike over it from daddy Bezos We've been copyright striked for like showing game trailers well that is like the one thing that you get copystriked. Yeah, it's ridiculous Just being pootie pie dude. It's literally Like the one thing that you get copystriked for. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Not even just Nintendo ones either.

Or just Bean Pootie Pie. Dude, it's literally promotional content. It's literally ads. Can we copystrike Linus Tech Tips? It's an old meme, but it checks out. I like it, it's good. It's pretty good. I got it.

I followed. Chad says, yes, we can. What were we supposed to be talking about right now? Oh yeah, what's your number? What's your number? What's your number? I'm gonna go with like prob- Dan, I think Dan was right, it's probably 20 times. Probably 20 times. And a good like 15 of those was just the first time I saw it.

It's just on repeat. Dude, it's so funny. It's so funny. Okay, right, so did you- did anybody actually like put any questions in the chat or anything? I'm gonna watch the clip on the laptop myself. There was a... Oh man, what was one of the things that I had wanted to address? If I type Bezos biffing it, will it come up?

It does. What was the most annoying thing about working on the Pyrex of Jake? Honestly, I think the power outages are one thing. I would go with when we were near the end, like in February, March timeline, the AC was just crapping its pants with no suitable explanation. So this is an amazing, amazingly engineered system. Okay. So it has error codes. They're little lights not not stored anywhere

They're just blinking lights. Yeah, nice and they're enterprise. They're on both sides So if there's an error with the outside unit it blinks the light on the outside unit Which means you have to go outside get on a ladder take the thing off to see it The inside unit also has error codes if it shuts off Like, you know when you're trying to do a world record and you really need the bloody AC to turn back on so you go flip the breaker and like come on turn back on, the codes go away forever and there's no history, nothing's saved. So you know what happened like the first seven times?

We had no idea what was wrong with it. Nice. Literally none. And even the HVAC guys were like, I don't know. Come on! You're like, $250 an hour. What the heck? Anyways, it ended up being that the AC system had basically no refrigerant left in it. It was supposed to have like, I don't know, I don't want to say a number

because I don't know the actual number. Let's say it's 10 pounds of refrigerant supposed to be in this loop. Right. There was like 0.6. I don't know the actual number. Let's say it's 10 pounds of refrigerant supposed to be in this loop. There was like 0.6. I don't know how this keeps happening. Do you know how many times they had leaks in that one mini split system in the server room over here? It's probably leaked like a dozen times.

And I'm not even trying to be a jerk about it, right? Because it's easy, right? It's easy to look at someone else's job and be like, oh can't be that hard, you know professional athletes How do you miss that? No, I could my grandma could have kicked that in, you know, whatever right like that's easy to do But like in this case, I actually have installed a mini split system. Yeah, yours are mint, right? Yeah, they work great! How f**king hard is this? Brian the electrician HVAC man.

I mean, yes. I did get help. But nothing that we did nothing we did was super complicated. You get some copper tube you raise some fittings on it and you make sure they're tight. What are they doing? I mean like no shade. You raise some fittings on it, and you make sure they're tight.

What are they doing? I mean like no shade. The one in Crater Warehouse broke a month ago, too. Okay, let's give them a little shade. You did also approve the cheapest HVAC quote we got. Okay. I didn't I had nothing to do with it. I told them get something good. I can't control. I can't control what people actually go ahead with. Yeah, sure, great. Literally though. Who did it? I don't know man. It doesn't matter. We're not going to throw anybody under the bus, there's no point. The company that does the maintenance now is a lot better, but yeah, it was rough. And to be clear, I think maybe you're like overestimating the like Average effort and that that your average contractor is putting in. Oh, I'm really not did I dad Did I ever show you the pictures of my lawn right now? With the gravel on it. Did you show them the pictures?

Did I? Dude it's so bad. Wait has it been fixed yet? They are there today like with what to their credit 70 rakes to their credit? Company that screwed up we did a vacuum We'd already think it is a big vacuum. We had already paid them We had already paid them so like if they were anything like some of the contractors that we've worked with in the past They would have just ghosted us a hundred percent But no, they're they're actually good guys. They actually came back So what they're doing is basically they're putting an inch of topsoil over our entire line

Oh, then you're gonna have like the mintus drainage. Yeah to a point to a point Yeah, and then once it's saturated, it's game over. Well, Does your lawn have like a drainage underneath, like drainage pipes? Yeah. Oh, I'm surprised that. There was just one part that like didn't, and a couple other little spots

that were a little bit soggy. So Yvonne was like, Hey, can you guys come and just kind of address that? And they came and dumped gravel all over the whole thing because of a miscommunication. So what happened was the company whose job it is is to just deliver like wheelbarrows of crap to a job site Oh, I see where they got it wrong And then the guys that were just like the guys to just spread the stuff over they didn't question it because they were like

Why would they deliver the wrong thing and then when the super shows up on the site he goes oh my god what happened I'm laughing at both this story and Jeff Bezos falling on my laptop on repeat he's got to get his count up okay so one thing is line it line said we weren't gonna go off the rails watching Joe Oh, yeah, you got my laptop going It's just too excited So what did you promise at the start of the show that we were gonna stay on the rails all right We have not stayed on the rails today on Are you getting on an airplane like tonight? Don't worry about it.

I haven't seen a lot of questions about the Pi stuff. One that I saw is why didn't you calculate it to Pi? Now that everyone has said that, I'm like, wow, I'm an idiot. Yeah, we should have done that. Or like to 300 trillion 69 or something. Why there's, what was, why the round number? So there's a few factors here. It's like the main concern is your storage space, right? Because you have the memory in the computer, that's your like active working memory. And then the storage space isn't used to store the output. I mean, it is later on, but it's used as swap space,

which is just like memory, but slower, right? You know, when your computer has a swap but it's used as swap space, which is just like memory but slower, right? You know, when your computer has a swap, it's slow, but in this case, it's swap that's 100 gigabytes a second. So it's fast, but not as fast as three terabytes of DDR5. Anyways, where was I going with this? Oh yeah, right. Okay. So originally we were trying to do 200 trillion digits and we had the storage capacity for that

And then when we were trying to do 300 trillion digits, we were like we're gonna have 98 percent of the like we were gonna use 98 percent of the capacity, right? Okay, but I later found out like right before the run you don't actually have to output both sets of digits So traditionally people would output the hexadecimal version, which is what is actually calculated by the program, and the decimal version. The decimal version is longer, takes up more space, but that's what you would traditionally read 3.1415 blah blah blah blah blah. Right. The hexadecimal format wouldn't really like mean a whole lot to most people until you base convert it. But you don't have to output it. So I disabled

it, which saved us like 120 terabytes compressed, so we could have used that extra space to calculate 14 trillion more digits, but. I would have settled for just like 69 more digits. You know what, here's the PR response. Why didn't I do that? Here's the PR response, because then we would have a Guinness record that was.

That's iconic, What do you mean? Yeah. No, no, here's the PR response. You know, for us, this was, you know, just about the collaboration with Kioxia, our partner on this project. Well, they're great. And we wanted to leave an opportunity for the next person to come along and do it to pie digits.

No, that's wrong. I actually have the real answer. In Y-Cruncher, when you're setting up the run, when you type in how many digits, there's wrong. I actually have the real answer In why cruncher when you're setting up the run when you type in how many digits? There's a short form version. You can just write 300 T If I had to write the whole thing that would have been like that would have been a few more Numbers to click and like you might have gotten carpal tunnel. Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted that I genuinely No, I wouldn't have wanted to be paying for that. Yeah You don't want to pay for that. We already established this I wouldn't have wanted that. You'd be paying for that.

You don't want to pay for that. We already established this. Look at the frame, buddy. That's covered. He already pays for that. He pays for that anyways. Yeah, no, I think our premiums go, I think our deductible and premiums go up if people use everything.

I can find a way to make the premiums go up otherwise. I think that'd be fine. Yeah, I think it goes up if everybody uses it. Only if you fill in the form. Dan has never filled the form. I don't want to cost Linus money. No, everyone has to fill out the form properly. You can't joke about that, Dan. Linus.

No. I fill out the form. It's extremely important you fill out the form. I have somebody fill out the form. That sounds more correct. That sounds a lot more correct. Delegation. This is management training. I sign the form. I sign the form form that sounds more correct that sounds a lot delegation management training I sign the form I sign the form I have a merch message if

I get a boo-boo if I get a boo-boo on set I sign the form that yes day how much is there even to fill out before you sign it it's like nothing you don't even fill it out like you have vance fill out like no the issue is that no the issue is that I have to like go and find someone on the safety fill out like their name? No, the issue is that I have to go and find someone on the safety committee to like see it filled out. Like it's the whole process of it. I take great joy in it because usually it's Dennis that's been filling it out for me.

And I always enjoy a good little conversation with Dennis. So they just, they have it filled out and they bring it to me and then I sign it. And that way the shoot doesn't have to be interrupted and I can just keep filming. That's how it works for everybody. Is it? He's not special. Oh, well that's good. And they bring it to me and then I sign it and that way the shoot doesn't have to be interrupted and I can just Keep filming Is it oh well that's good That actually sounds like a way smarter process, so that's good cuz I don't know how to fill out this form

There's like six boxes. They could have any in for what am I supposed to put where it says name? They fill it out for you. Yeah Where did you get your cut? What were you doing? Yeah Here's your band-aid that will cost us an extra thousand a month in premium my favorite field is how are we going to? prevent this in the future I Have literally written I have that less dumb I had filled it out for myself a few times and I have literally written not do that again Does that qualify is that good enough I think so there's like if the cause is just that I was stupid Just no

You've never done this thing before and you don't need to do it again, then I think yeah It's fair to just like well real through your hand. Why did you do it in the first place? Luke? Gosh? I think I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't know it would hurt Yeah, okay. Sorry Dan you wanted us with a much much electricity I had to show a fork in the socket I mean probably more than what was shown in the video because that didn't well actually no I put a year Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, so that's probably about right. Yeah, well, I don't even remember. I blocked it. I blocked it from my mind.

Just for your reference, just so you can resear this into your brain. I believe what the calculator said was like $8,600 Canadian. That is wild. I mean- Nobody tell him about the the boink Project going on right now we can take some solace in the fact that this is more useful than mining a lot of cryptocurrency so At least there's that or as useful is it oh, I see it's as useful There are equally pointless things that we could have burn fossil fuels for what do people use that many?

Just it's nothing you don't you don't it's like something I think of what people have been saying is like NASA even in their craziest calculations use like 34 digits or something like that Yeah, and you can calculate something something the entire size of the universe to an atom to the side Yeah In light with like a couple dozen a few dozen digits of pie or something. That's what the YouTube comments Tell me we know how accurate those are. Yeah. Well engineers use like yeah, they just round it to four It's like good enough Will Schwalme by the way made the point better than I possibly could have as to why no

We are not printing this out at Linusus Tech Tips, a production printer is rated for about one million sheets per month. It would literally take 1,000 months to print that, AKA 83 years. Now that sounds like a skill issue. You clearly just need more printers, duh. Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah, like what about those big newspaper

printer machine things? How many have you seen those? Those things rip. Larger paper. They did network distributed pie calculations. They could do network distributed printing brothers some of the comments on this video really are amazing as a Mechanic watching this video and trying to understand it made me realize what other people hear when I talk about cars Literally nothing yeah It's exhausting.

I told the girlfriend, yeah, I needed a super- Do it. What? No, no. I needed a supercharger. It's just an alternator. It's for charging. It needed that.

It makes a noise, a spinny noise. Yeah, that's good for it. Yeah, you got it cheap because the bearings are gone. Exactly. Yeah. These father and son episodes are so wholesome We need to get Linus a supercharger. Hey since you're here. Oh boy since you're here There were some people who had some concerns about the battery backup. She's meant at my place man for now

Yeah, so. She's mint. So. Did I say she's mint yet? I scouted the location. Oh, please. I was gonna ask you about this. Yeah, so we hear you,

and we actually did want to put the battery banks outside. That was the original plan anyway, but it was a lot easier for the proof of concept. What is he doing? Which, yeah, he's telling us to move on, so maybe we'll make this the last thing we chat about and then we'll actually do that That's clever. Yeah Well, he has to deal with a host with ADHD you also don't have to listen or two. It's just it's just a guy Double your pleasure double your fun today

Anyway, each hand so we are aware that it would be better to have the batteries outside, but we wanted to do this proof of concept for a couple of reasons. Number one is that I didn't want to go all in and spend tens of thousands of dollars on something that we would then discover, you know what, this is actually kind of beyond our scope. He had no faith is the answer. Yeah, well, we have bitten off more than we can chew in the past. I'm just gonna say that. Okay, and number two is because Jake needed to do a smaller scale project so that he can put in

all his tickets at the Christmas party to get the cast off one after I stop using the initial deployment. I'm just gonna borrow it forever, what do you mean? Alex, Alex Dick, our logistics manager, is gonna be like, thank you, Jake, I really appreciate you for getting this giant thing out of the warehouse. Just sign it out. Thanks.

Sign it out to Jake. That's 100% going to be his answer. I would like for the record to make it very clear that that is not how that works for any other employees who are watching this right now. Only for Jake. That's what Linus is saying. No, no. That is not how it works. Luke just steals stuff.

That is not how it works. That is not how it works. Those are the two reasons for the smaller scale deployment. Because Jake wants one, and because I didn't want to go full hog immediately. So, good news and bad news. Which one do you want first? I don't know. I'm not gonna listen to your bad news anyway, so just send it.

Okay. Whatever. Yeah. So, the good news is, I have full faith now because that deployment, actually, for all the concerns that people raised about it, some of which are kind of valid. Like, oh, we should have connectors on the things. Like, yes, I know that. And there should be covers on some of the, you know, high the you know high current that's why there is connectors on some of them and not others it's because they gave us the wrong size okay so that's the good news yeah the bad news is we don't have a straight run from the mech room to the

outside wait no I didn't I already tell we solved this this is ADHD okay incarnate unfortunately by the panel outside, like where the power comes into the house, there's not a great spot for it. Yeah, but we don't need a great spot. We just need a spot. Oh no. Oh no, no, no, no.

You don't go down the side of your house. Psh. Psh. No, he doesn't. Psh.. Pshhh. He doesn't. Am I wrong? When was the last time you went down the side of your house before me asking you to go there? To pick blueberries. So it would have been last August.

What? There's blueberries. A year. You can work around it if it's just to pick blueberries. Like in the summer I go there. Okay, so like- In the summer I go there. We need to mount the like inverter thingy.

So the original plan was to put it in the mech room and make a concrete box or concrete board or something where you have an hour of it exploded and put some fire retardant stuff in there. Whatever. But then we were, Jesus. And then we were like, let's just put everything outside because the inverter needs to go upstream of the main panel anyways so that we can AC couple the solar to it. So why are we putting it inside? Let's just put everything outside.

So if the inverter is on the side of your house, how far are these batteries gonna be? How many iPhones tall is this run gonna be? It's gonna be, okay, to it kind of like out of the way. This better be an iPhone. To get it out of the way it would probably be about 40 iPhones. It's pretty it's pretty far. Like batteries from the inverter? Yeah. Is there like anything we can put it on there or is that that's dirt? We're pouring a pad. It's dirt. Or we'll ask for a pad and instead we'll get large gravel.

It's strawberry plants. That's 19.2 feet. Wow, wait, what iPhones? Are we talking Pro Maxes? What are you comparing against, brother? That's the iPhone 12, 14. Okay, sorry, how many iPhone 13 Minis? Let's go with that.

This is, wait, this is in your backyard or is this still on the side of the house? On the side of the house. You care about the plants on the side of the house? Well, I of the house. You care about the plants on the side of the house? Well, I mean, they're strawberries. Like they, you know, the kids like them. They eat strawberries there, you know, like kids do. This is going to be like kids eat strawberries.

It's going to be a monumentally larger monumentally. Yeah, sure. Larger project. Yeah. And I'm, I gotta confess. This is like hundreds of kilograms of batteries. Yeah, sure. Larger project. Yeah, and I gotta confess. This is like hundreds of kilograms of batteries. I'm not super stoked on like the size of it.

This is like pallets of batteries. Yes, I know. I know, Jake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gonna be good. Yeah. Did you tell them? Not trivial. No, I don't think so. Oh, well, what we were talking about was like 200 kilowatt hours.

Yeah, so the idea Was that we could use a thousand? I can show them I can show them for 200 hours. So literally if we were using the house normally we could be down for like three days Your lab is totally warranted and this does sound insane But when we do it DIY, it's actually less expensive than you would think. I mean, obviously we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars, but we're not actually talking about hundreds

of thousands of dollars, surprisingly. Sure. Does that sound like, does this, this sounds like something that would cost like 150 grand. Yeah, that sounds quite reasonable. Am I crazy? That's a lot of power. Yeah, no, it, it sounds like the kind of thing that if we went and we got it, you know quoted properly

That they would want like hundreds of thousands of dollars for but it's it's actually how do I do this less than you'd think? Here I got you. Why does this say oh, Luke a lap like laptop? Yeah, not like a lap camp When after dark, okay, so this is EV is one of the major Chinese LFP battery manufacturers. This is like one of their newer models. It's 314 amp hours at 3.2 volts. It's roughly one kilowatt hour. This cell, if you buy between 100 and 2000 of them is 60 US dollars. Yeah.

Before, obviously before shipping, obviously before tariffs. If you're in the US. I'm so sorry Get Shrek, but what if we buy? 50,000 pieces 250 of them times 60. It's 15 grand Yeah for 250 kilowatt hours, which is a lot of money a lot of money, but that's a lot That's like how much is a power like a Tesla Powerwall that is a freak. Hold on Does the does the bulk get any better? No, right? Yeah when you buy 500,000

So a power wall is only 13 and a half kilowatt hours and how much does it cost 16? Something like I forget. I forget how much they're not freaking expensive. I gotta get it includes the inverter Yeah, yeah, so it includes more This is just raw power. We actually still need to do the install. We still need an inverter So something we like inverter wise like this is no BMS. Are we planning to just like oh, hey Are we planning to just weld these together like no? Busbar situation no no no no no this actually not getting bad the The Vero BMS, that thing's super cool, right? That was built for car swaps, Tesla swaps specifically. You know, say what you will about that guy. But their batteries are very useful for EV swapping

vehicles. All right, that's where I'm going with this. Sure. They made a new thing called, I think it's called like the Vero node. Oh, he'll figure it out. Yeah. Okay. It's not out yet, but they made a, here's a, here's our DIY balance board that hooks up to the main thing.

So you buy these and then I think they support like, I don't want to say a number because I don't know, but like 15 cells or something like that. And so you, they're 150 bucks. You buy their website is down. I wonder why that is. Way to go Wanshow. Thanks Wanshow. I hadn't even opened it yet.

Like what the? They're quick. Yeah, you said it. They're so fast. They're too quick, yeah. Just the last thing you wanna do is like talk about a funny domain that's available or whatever because they're like, they're on it.

Okay, so 16 cells in series, which if I remember correctly, 16 times 3.2, I think that's the optimal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So about 48 volts. So 16 is how many, usually how you want in series. So we would need one of these for each series set. So you're talking like a few grand in BMS nodes.

Yep. You're talking like the inverters get way more expensive. The one we used for this project was the EG4 6K XP whatever. But that was sized for like the rack. Six kilowatt. And some, but like not for the house. So this is 18 kilowatts in one box and it's seven grand.

Yeah. So it's almost, it kind of scales almost linearly to be honest. Yeah. They also have a cool one called like the grid boss. I think it's called. The boss Oh flex boss the grid box is like the integration thing this is the bigger one and to be clear there are also like there's other companies that make these the eg4 one works pretty good power your neighborhood dude yeah I don't know that we will for sure use this but this is

something that they said that they had and That was cool. We might need to use like two or three though It really depends because you were telling me you wanted to be able to charge your car off of this Like you talk and charging your car at full rate That's like that's a few I I don't think I would I don't think I would expect to actually charge my car off if that seems stupid I mean that seems pretty dumb What is it with that said now? I mean you could charge your car off. Is it a 30 amp? Very little I think it's a 30 amp. Yeah, so but is that actually the charge rate like it's a 40. No, it's pretty weak

I I like got the wrong ones basically I asked for a specific one and then the contractors ordered a different one from the same company and I was like, yo, that's not what I asked for. Oh, I know which one you have. It's the dual head one. Yeah, it's the dual head one, but they have a different one that would do full speed off of one head. But this one is the cheaper one that only does half speed off of each one. Oh, it's this one.

It's the Sun Country one, right? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Okay. So it's like 40 amps total, but when you're charging two cars, cars you get 16 amps each so this is a 7.7 kilowatt yeah this is the ticket actually takes like a minute to charge my car I mean to be fair for your use case it's probably it's totally fine but we could get some we get some ubiquity EV stations yeah I've been I'll do it eventually I don't

know if they're CSA approved yet that That could be a thing. Ah, it could be a problem. But anyways, so that's... These are hardwired in. This is not that much though. No, no. Well, it's not that much in terms of like the rate of charge. Just having batteries in your yard so that you can charge the batteries in your car feels a little silly. Well, it is. Right. You are, yes. Yes. Okay, I'm glad we got there. So that you can charge the batteries in your car feels a little silly. Well it is Right you are yes Yes, uh-huh. Okay. I'm glad we got there alright, so anyway I'm supposed to be talking we're supposed to be doing merch messages, so wait. I want to do one I never done this before oh my god. This guy is like he doesn't even want to go

I gotta go on a flight to oh yeah, right have you never got a win? Not in a long time brother like Christmas years ago, and nobody does win anymore. Yeah Yeah, it's we're on the we're on the streak so introverted boys over here. Um, yeah, so have you packed? Dude, I did all my laundry yesterday. I'm proud. Usually I'm doing laundry at 11 p.m. The night before nice Yeah, it's pretty good. Actually. I know I didn't want you yesterday to walk actually I don't You were sick you got me sick. You know I said I'm gonna be so mad if you got me sick I'm like sniffily now, and it's your fault. Why did I touch you? Why would I touch you you I got it for me No, nobody else I know is sick, and I've barely been around anyone else other than you,

and you were like actively sniffly. Oh boy. It's your fault. All right, well, that's possible. All right, fine. I'm not logged into the thing. I'll explain merch messages. I'll just hack Luke's account here, hold on.

Merch messages are the way to interact with the show, and we've got some pretty exciting reasons to send a merch message. It worked. We have, that's right my friends, our biggest t-shirt expansion ever. We have three fantastic, hold on, I'm getting to it. We have three fantastic new colors, sky, forest, and chocolate.

This right here is sky, this is forest, and this is chocolate. Excuse me? I'm just messing with them And you can get all of these new colors as a short sleeve Oh, that is long or a long sleeve you can get them in regular and you can get them in tall sizing Wow, let's go look at his arms. Let's go This is a medium Look at his arms

I'm 6'2 Hey That is crazy Yeah Ah Look, I'm I'm six foot two! Hey! That is crazy! Hey! Ah! Look, I'm repping the brand. On top of that, we added tall sizing

and long sleeve options for our core colors, black and olive. So there's a whole lot of new t-shirts that you can now get at lmg.gg slash t-shirt. Check it out, boys! Let's go! Man, we've got some mileage out of LMG.GG. That domain is like 60 bucks a year.

It's affordable. I know that's a lot. Is it? Domains are really expensive. I don't know how much domains cost. I don't know. What could it cost Michael? $10. Yeah, but literally it costs $10.

Nobody commented about that. Okay. We also have to announce we have pre-tariff pricing on MCM at LTTstore.com, the US version. So we have pre-tariff pricing on individual magnetic cable management components this week and if you're wondering, global customers, you already have pre-tariff pricing when converted to USD in fact it's actually a little bit cheaper than that. So you can shop now at LMG.GG slash MCM. Check them out. There you go.

Anyway as for you know what you can do with that purchase when you add it to your cart you can leave a merch message. There will be a little box and it'll go to producer Dan, there he is, who will curate your message for me and Luke. Also, he's here this week for some reason. I guess so. For me and Luke, or he will respond to it himself or forward it to someone who will address it later.

So Dan, do we have a couple of merch messages so you can show the people how they work? I do, I've got one here from, Lanky? Lanky person. Yeah, lots of blank tall sizes. Why hello LLD. As a recently diagnosed ADHD person, what are some of the pros or cons you all find about both having

and working with an ADHD person? Well, working with, Luke, why don't you answer that one? What's it like working with an ADHD person? All three of us. You guys saw it earlier where he was like, oh, we're not going to be able to get too far of a run. Oh, and then it's like, no, we're putting it outside. Luke, do you have an answer?

He disconnected for a second. He might just be ignoring. Maybe he doesn't want to anymore. Frankly, I couldn't blame him. It's it's cool because you can. His mic's not anymore. Frankly, I couldn't blame him. It's cool because you can- His mic's not working. Oh, bummer. Like you can, it's a superpower

and it is also your worst nightmare at the same time. I mean, you being the person that's asking, I'm sure you're aware of this. You can focus so hard when you're in the zone, but when you're not in the zone, you cannot focus on, does the button work? How do I do it? Maybe.

Is it gonna be a problem if it doesn't work? I don't know. Try it. I don't know. Do it, do it. What was I even gonna say? See that, that is what it is. When, and you don't get to pick when you're focused.

Exactly. And you also don't get to pick when you stop focusing. That would actually be. Which is also bad. That would be a great superhero. Like, has anyone ever done that as a superhero gimmick? Where they like- Focus man. Like they can't pick when their powers are active and not.

Well, you kind of seen that with like Spider-Man's learning that he's Spider-Man or whatever. It's like when you play Baldur's Gate with wild magic on. And his hands just like stick to things. And he's like, ah, I can't remove my hand from stuff. Is Luke doing that thing when you're working from home and you're like on a meeting? It's like it just the see just looping Yeah, is he not even there? It's like AI Luke Can you hear us? I don't think he knows that I don't know what's going on. We can

Indicate that we're talking to him. Hi Luke. Hello Luke. Can you see us? Is he frozen? No, he's not. He, Luke. Can you see us? Is he frozen? No, he's not. Are you sure? Yeah. Are we getting- I think he's frozen. Oh, no.

Luke? Okay. Are you there? Oh, yeah. I think he's okay. I think he's gonna be okay. What? I would say the biggest challenge

is managing the bursty productivity. Yeah. And I mean that both for myself and for unnamed people on our team who also are somewhat neurodivergent because you'll run into a situation where and like back when I was a much more integral part of the video Pre-production timeline or pipeline I would have I would have this issue right where two out of the five days of the workweek I would get like realistically everything done and then the other three I'd be all over the place right But but what's really? but but on the other hand it can also be like kind of a superpower during those times because it's like this endless fountain of creativity and you can kind of

push a bunch of little projects going and kind of start a bunch of little fires and see what burns and then you can like hyper focus and finish the other ones. But then also getting something finished finished is really hard. Oh man, I have so many things like I feel like I want to say because like in my world, I've noticed since becoming, starting medication for this condition has been an interesting experience because like I feel like I start way more things than I used to. Before I would get the like procrastination of, I don't know if I can do this, so I'm just not even not even gonna start I fail before I even get there that way I can't fail because I just never tried

nice so now I try and I start doing something and then oh man I feel like I probably have can just show a photo of this my desk I'll just maybe I'll just show you yeah I can probably just show that on the show right there you can just send it to dance you that can I just like hold it in front of the camera? No, you got to send it to Dan How do I send it to you Dan? Luke Luke should be back now see if you can are you back? Yes. Nice. Hey, welcome back So this is going to happen again. Just as a warning. It's not my fault Hopefully we can recover faster next time. Yeah, now we know okay. I sent you a photo Dan

Yeah, hopefully there's nothing incriminating in there I will It's like my desk. There's okay. Nothing important's ever leaked on when before NDA on here no, I think it's probably fine. I think it's fine. There's a couple 3d printers It's a vibe you'll get the vibe immediately though whoop There you go. Okay, so this was my office yesterday. Nice.

You can see- Oh no, you didn't get into like a cleaning frenzy zone, did you? Oh yeah, I did, I did. I cleaned my, I'll show you the after photo too. Yeah, no, see, the second I saw that- Wait, you put it away, I was gonna describe things. Okay, so-

The second I saw that, I was like, you did the thing. Ooh, ooh, ooh. You were up late tidying, weren't you? No, no, actually it was during- Jake Tidy. It was the lights were still on. As you can see, you see this thing right here? Is that like a dad joke bell?

Yeah. Is it a real bell? Yeah. That's impressive. It gives him dopamine. How did you like ADHD? Oh, cause you like Amazon ordered it while we're on the show.

That right there, that black thing is like a dry box for the 3D printer that's down here. Nice. I printed it before that I had the 3d printer It is still sitting in parts on my desk now It is sitting in parts beside the 3d printer ready to go for something I will never put together nice the prusa XL on the other side. I 3d printed an enclosure for it Nice the plexiglass I ordered from China is sitting in my closet And so are the rest of the parts for the enclosure that I will definitely put together at some point.

Those bins, they're all supposed to like on the bottom the filament servers, they're all supposed to have like little things in it to like pass the filament through. They don't! I've had them for like two years. So these are all things I've started. If you could see under the pile, there's like a BMW manual clutch pedal. I was gonna make a short throw one. I feel like this was legit. I 3D scanned it. This is ADHD though. This could very well be my workspace. I love that you had the intent of having a pegboard wall and you have one tool on it.

That is classic. That's lore accurate. That is classic. That's canon. By the way, I think your carpool, mate, is waiting for you. Do you want me to leave right now? No, not yet. You're vibing, okay, cool.

Speaking of carpool, you see the cars up there? Yeah? All right. Oh, those are tough to see. But anyways, it's like I start more things, so that's cool, but also I don't finish as many. That actually transitions us pretty well into something that Luke and I need to talk about because the what will happen first, will Luke complete Final Fantasy six or will I finish

painting my bike race has been heating up hard. Dude, you've been painting that bike. It was a cold war for a long time. Yeah. And now it's guns are blazing. Dude. You started that before the's guns are blazing. Dude. You started that before the Pi project, I'm pretty sure. And that took,

that took ages. Did that work? I really hope that worked. Yeah, I get to hear it, because I'm monitoring differently. So I will say this. Do we want to talk about that later? Why don't we get through merch messages?

Didn't you tell me it looks, you told me it looks. Well, it's complicated. Okay, you know what? Let's talk about that later? Why don't we get through merch messages? Didn't you tell me it looks- you told me it looks like- Well, it's complicated. Okay, you know what? Let's talk about it now. Let's talk about it now. Here we go. This is ADHD. Yes, it is. I'm sending you a little video, sending you a little video. What even is this show anymore? Who knows? Is there supposed to be topics? There are topics. There's more than one, I'll tell you that!

Have we done topics yet? You've did one, I think. We did one. Well, you know what? You've been talking about Powerwall and garbage for an hour. It's not garbage. It's going to be quality. I hope.

It's going to be quality. What's the worst that could happen? This house burns down. Pfft. We'll just build another one. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. We'll build new children. That's content.

Yeah, it's fun. The cats is what I was concerned about. OK. All seven of them? I got to the point where all the parts that needed to be pink were pink. I had two little drips, two little drips. You can show the second one first, Dan.

But you know how to fix the drips, right? Well, here's the problem. Because, it's a combination of things. Because I'm ambitious slash foolhardy sometimes. See see I don't have the same issue with not starting things I start things that's yeah, not a problem But sometimes I start things that are too big. Can I just say before you continue? I know exactly where you're gonna go with this and I'm just I I want to write it down But it's in my brain. I just want you to know that I've acknowledged this

I know where this is about to go and I really hope that it's the same place that okay That was a little early, Dan. Go ahead. Oh, you're doing great though. Yeah. Okay. Okay, now I really know where this is going. So I have no problem starting things, but sometimes I am a little too ambitious.

So it's a combination of that, and I think I realistically probably got some bad advice at some stage in the paint selection process. It's hard. Because I ended up with a, let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, anywhere from about an 11 to a 12 layer paint.

That is a lot of layers. Yeah, so we got two primer. Like different kinds of primer or the same primer? The same layers. Yeah, so we got two primer Different kinds of primer or the same primer the same primer Yeah, okay two of a solid base a white and that is all easy dude getting it primed and white No problem But I have then after that a candy And candy is tough Can you clarify how many coats are supposed to be on this?

About 11 to 12. Okay, so this is right. So for the uninitiated, some of the complicated paint coats can be like, here you throw down a base coat of a certain color, and then a color coat, and then you have like a pearl coat, and then you have clear coat, or maybe you have tinted clear coat. Wow, there's a lot of stages. So I have... This is one of those.

So the four of the primer and then the base color, four to five realistically, to get really good coverage with the white because it doesn't cover very well once you get it reduced for the gun. So that's easy. You get a nice even color. If I were to just paint my bike white, okay,

and just clear coat that, I would have been done ages ago but the pink the pink candy is a nightmare to get even and I picked the hardest possible thing to paint with it because if I was doing a hood of a car that's easy relatively speaking you would have a lot of paint people that would also say a flat surface is easy but also hard. Sure. It's easier to fix the screw-ups that you will inevitably have.

A multi-faceted three-dimensional piece with nowhere to freaking hold it and all these different tiny little surfaces is really hard to get even. And wheels. Yeah, I was just going to say wait even. And wheels. Yeah, I was just gonna say wait till you try wheels. Okay, I have progress though. I have progress on the wheels. But anyway, hold on.

First, Dan, bring up the picture. I had two little drips, two little drips in the pink, and I actually found a technique to fix them. Fixing candy, you read online and they say it's impossible. And it's basically impossible, but I found a technique that actually worked. You can kind of see it in the very bottom right Where it was a little bit too big to work on this one, but I almost fixed that spot

Are you talking about the part where all the paint is missing? No, no, no on the very in the very very bottom right of the gray part which part the I don't know Dan Could you have a mouse cursor? Can you even I'm trying whatever? There's a little spot that almost has like kind of a little white out I think I see it So basically what happened there was we kind of peeled it back and then masked around and then used like a little airbrush Like for doing those like temp tattoos little airbrush got it on there was the defect was this like a dust nip Oh, it was an awful drip. I don't know where it came from. Okay. Yeah, so it was like purple like it went on so heavy It was like purple in that spot so we see so we got it off Managed to put that on it wouldn't looked great

But it would have been passable for the level of quality that I've resigned to at this point And this is pre clear coat, but what yeah, but when I went to pull the masking tape off it ripped that whole strip off so Dan do you want to bring up the video that should yeah sure I don't think that was supposed to happen Not even a little I don't think your paint is bonded very well Well, I can tell you that the white is bonded real good to the primer because this is how long it took To get the white off the primer. It doesn't look like anything's coming out. Oh, it's coming out. Oh, oh yeah You can see it Wow it's really on there.

On the entire front fairing piece of my bike, it took like four and a half hours. So I was at the point where everything was pink coated, and then this happened. The good news is this piece is now white, needs to be sanded white one more time, and then I'm ready to paint it pink again and I'm not going to get a drip on it this time. And Jake, I figured out wheels.

What do you mean? My wheels look like butt right now. So I'm re-white coating them, but we finally found a technique. So in order to get the candy on there even, we made this... Dan, you can move that. Who is we? Yvonne's been helping me a little bit. Oh, so you roped her into this.

Yeah, we took my drill, and then we took a bunch of rolls of tape, like small ones that fit in the big ones, and basically made like a spinny wheel on it. And so she basically watches for a landmark as it turns around, and is like, okay, three, two, one, go. go and I start spraying and then she's like okay three two one go and I move it off and it's like this is spinning the wheel yeah while she's while she's spinning it

with the drill with like a big like tape roll thing on it so I actually 3d printed a thing recently because I bought new wheels of course yeah because I wanted to ceramic course to both of those yeah yeah yeah so I 3d printed a thing so I could spin the wheel while I ceramic coating it and then proceeded to not use it Just I have it if you're only doing a solid color. It doesn't matter it's not that hard, but if you are if you're doing a candy and I'm not even going for the whole thing one solid candy, so I'm doing a pink stripe. You know they make like candy powder coating too, right? Yeah, well, I didn't do that.

And it would have been stronger and cheaper and... They wouldn't have matched, though. What? All- if you did all of them? Yeah, but it's not just the candy. There's the two layers of candy and then there's the two layers of pearl. Yeah, well it wouldn't have been the exact same thing, but it would have been pretty nice. It probably would have been better overall, to be honest. This is great. Also, Belltrick says,

just pay a professional Mr. Millionaire. That is not the point. What would I even do if I just paid people to do things? What would I do? That comment bothered so many people. I responded to it, somebody else in chat responded to it. Oh really? You responded to it, else in chat responded to it you responded to it we're all just like what no that's not the point so is the point

that you should have just left it uh oh just like left it silver no well left oh I hundred percent should have done that the drip um could you not cuz like I've seen people do drip repairs before I've seen techniques where they like fill the surround with bondo and then Sand it down so that you're sanding down the bondo on the outside and not ruining the rest of it I've seen techniques where they like just strip everything down and do it again I've seen it where they cut it with a knife, right? So I basically did the knife thing but the only issue is that when I peeled it up it hadn't cured enough yet

It was it was too fresh. Because that was bare metal, wasn't it? Because, no, no, that was primer. So I did the same thing on my tank, and the tank worked. You actually can't find the spot on the tank. Did you not sand enough between the primer and the top coat? So, let's see, that was on the... Was it too long between, too little between?

I think it could have been too long between the primer coat, but I think it was just mostly that it hadn't been long enough since I did the pink on the white. Well, when this is done, I think it would be really fun for us to polish it. Oh, God. I want, like, I want you and me

We should polish it. No, we should it'll be fun. It'll make it look so much better, dude You have to polish it after otherwise just not gonna look good You get rid of all the dust nibs and stuff. Yeah, you like I actually do you actually need to yeah That's gonna look like crap. That's like requirement. Even if you clear coat it. Yeah I mean usually when a body shop polishes stuff after they paint it It looks like crap. Like we fix so many like body shop tried to polish a car. Oh yeah.

I have enough hours in this project that for you to say anything that sounds anything like more hours is just going to make me instantly recoil. It'll only take a couple days. You should right now just put everything in a bin and go to a powder coating shop. That's all your problems. That's what I'm gonna do with my wheels. I'm not gonna bother.

Can you powder coat plastic? Ah, I don't know. I'm not aware of that. Maybe not. I mean that piece you were looking at was plastic. Oh, I see, okay. Yeah, you gotta. Have you tried candy?

I should probably do. That's, oh, okay. I should probably do powder. That's part of the nightmare of painting a bike is that I have steel pieces Aluminum pieces and plastic and they're gonna be seven different colors Even though he painted only traditional powder coating does not work on plastic. I think You have to bake it. I think I've seen yeah plastic fancy plastic powder coat stuff. Yeah, I'm sure I do

There's enough material science these days. I'm sure somebody figured something out anyway Industrial methods seem to something something whatever yeah powder cone is cool though. I miss goodbye drive safe. See you later Luke Bye see you Linus. I guess yeah, he he never acknowledges me when I tell him to drive safe. Oh, no I usually say I won't I also say the same thing to my mom and she doesn't like it No, she would neither do I? Yeah, see you later So this time this time he crosses the camera. Yeah, you know you figured it out That is better to just quickly go that way than to painstakingly make his way across over here So I have updates as well. No, he's back. Oh, oh. Okay, so how's

your pro? Okay, so hold on, I should probably give the update. So all but that piece that need to be pink are pink, but they still need two more pearl coats, and then two to three clear coats before I can actually like drop anything off for reassembly with the shop. So you definitely can't finish before 2am. Are you going to be done today? No, but you're going to be leaving the country. Oh yeah. And thus away from your bike.

Yes. And luckily my project is portable Yeah Okay. All right. How many how many of the party have you reassembled in the world of ruin? I'm in the world of ruin. Okay, but just barely. Oh But I still think I still think I'm gonna beat you. Okay, I'm gonna beat you. I still think I'm gonna beat you. Okay. I still think I'm gonna beat you. Yeah, I actually... The reason why it's not that good

is because I also had a progress issue. Oh no. I lost a save. What? How do you lose a save? You're playing on Steam. I genuinely have no idea. You're playing the remaster.

I have no idea. What? How much did you lose? Something happened with quite a bit something happened with cloud sync I Like I you know I installed it on my laptop. I don't maybe I don't know I pre-installed it on my laptop Because I knew a fair amount of playtime while I was on the strip was gonna be offline. This is Final Fantasy 6 as it'll it's a little plane chat. So I, yeah, I installed it like at my house ahead of time, cloud synced everything before I left and then on the plane, I loaded it up and it was like

way earlier than where I was, like, like many hours lost. Oh no. Way earlier than where I was like like many hours lost. Oh, no which Usually like I have quit games over that before Whatever I'm not I'm out. Yeah, that's it. But this is a challenge a competition of sorts I almost hit Final Fantasy tactics over an issue like that Yeah, I've done this many times. Yeah, I got to the notorious fight where if you don't happen to build Ramza correctly,

you literally can't win it. And I ended up, I thought I had lost like 10 hours, but I had only lost like three or four. So I stuck it out, but I was so mad. I was so mad. I think every gamer has probably felt that. And it's just like the rage to how much this matters ratio is probably the highest out of anything that I've ever experienced because at the end of the day, it's a video game. So it doesn't matter at all, but the rage is so high. But you're so mad! So mad! So that was me like probably an hour into my flight, because I didn't pull out the laptop immediately.

You know, I kind of got settled. You have to wait for the belt thingy to, the buckle thingy to, the light to go off, all that kind of stuff. I finally get the laptop, I load it up up and I just stare at it for a while Thinking like there's got to be some way to fix this right and like obviously no Livin says just grind to level erath. She'll be great later in the game Yeah, so yeah, so I I Yeah. So, yeah, so I, I pushed really hard. I was for some context. It went so far back I had no espers. Like I lost multiple saves worth and I don't understand what at all what

happened. Oh, that's wild. Like I don't know. But on that one flight. On the one flight. Because I've now, I've done this. So now I know what I'm doing. I know where I'm going. Those types of things. I realized that some of the things in the game are very weird. Like some of Sabin's stuff scale off of magic,

even though he's like a martial arts guy and stuff like that. Oh yeah. Things are just kind of odd, but now I know those things. So I just got into like- So this is now like a way more experienced run then. Go mode, and I got to past where I was before

on the one flight, which is like wildly compressed before compared to before. And I'm I'm kind of flying. I'm much more knowledgeable now on like, you know, checking for weaknesses and hitting things with the right magic and stuff like that. So like the fight to get to the floating continent. Just blitzed through it. Oh, it was ridiculous.

Yeah, it ended up being so easy. Like, I think you commented last time we talked about this, you commented about how the pixel remaster is too easy. I think you said, yeah, I get to that fight with Ultros and whatever his big buddy is. Whatever. Yeah, something. Something, yeah. Chupa or something. I think I like two shot Ultros.

Like just, okay. You're like super overpowered now then. Oh, I'm jacked. Yep, all right. That's nuts. And like I'm doing better about like making sure that I'm min-maxing. Okay, how many?

Having the right Esper on the right person when they level up to gain the bonus. How many characters do you have in the World of Ruin? Oh, Noke suggested a poll. Dan, do it, do it. Whether Luke will finish Final Fantasy VI or I will finish painting the SV-650. Sure, give me one second. Now hold on a second. Hold on. We got to define completion here. Is Luke allowed to like look up guides

when he gets to the world of Ruin? Or does he use the paper manual? I think... Paper manual is all I had when I was a kid. I feel like it's gotta be paper, but you're getting help from Yvonne. Not much, for what it's worth. And I'm there working on it every time. I will say I am completely down with whatever judgment comes here.

Okay and I am totally fine with paper manual. Honestly no let's do paper manual. Is my completion complete when I finish painting it or when the shop assembles the bike? I feel like when are you gonna let your beard grow out when I'm done painting this Not when the shop finishes assembly. No, no, no, I'll do when I'm done when I'm done painting I'm done like I don't need the mask anymore Then personally, I think it's paint. Okay, I'm making this harder for myself I'm saying paper manual and you can just finish when you're painting But I think both of those things make sense as much as I'm...

Some people are saying they think I should be... Okay, just to catch you guys up. The bet is whether Luke will finish Final Fantasy VI, a game that I've been bugging him to play basically since we met because it was like my favorite childhood game, even though I have realized in also playing through the Pixel remaster at the same time as him, because I got it in my head at some point that I was going to be super ambitious and both finish Final Fantasy 6 and paint my bike in the time it took him to finish it. Anyway, that's not happening. Or if I will finish painting my motorcycle, which has been an ongoing project for I think

about two years now. Okay, I'm going gonna look at the results. I'm ready to see the results. I'm kind of afraid to look at the results. Okay, I'm looking at the results. Who will finish first? Come on. Move it over. Move it. Sorry, sorry. I'll move it. I'll move it. Normally with this question, you think it'd be the other way around, but. 80%! Pfft.

Pfft. Wow. Three kids, buddy. Three kids. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha. Get that other poll out of there.

We all know the old news for the Fox. Jeez. Well, you know what you know what haters I'm gonna go home tonight and I'm gonna pack and I'm gonna do some sanding Yeah, sure. Yeah How much because I know I have time to say No way when it's when honestly when the When the ship flying thing was happening, when I was getting to the floating continent,

I thought the game was ending. Pfft. Is this your first Final Fantasy? I suppose you imagine that the final boss only has two phases, right? Yeah, I have no idea. The only other Final Fantasy I've played through is eight. And with eight, I played it through on PC.

So you had all the discs. So you kind of knew, like there's more content coming, right? When I hit Floating Continent, I was like, oh, okay. I guess there's more to this. There's a lot more to it. Yeah, I kind of got that vibe. I also started mulling over, all right, well, there's a level cap and stuff, but my level is not very high. I don't know if you're expected to hit the level cap because I'm like, I right, well, there's like a level cap and stuff at my level is not very high.

I don't know if you're expected to hit the level cap. I'm like, I don't know, like Pokemon, you're not at all. Okay, cool. Yeah, no, not even a little. Do you remember what the stakes are of this bet? No keys asking. Are there stakes? I don't even remember.

So it was so long ago that I literally cannot remember the circumstances of us making this bet. I don't think there was, it was just sort of like... Honor. Don't underestimate how hard we will try. It was a friendly handshake. Kind of bragging rights type of thing. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

Honestly, I got so focused on... Zeus says maybe we should vote again after hearing you talk about how you thought the game was over and you're at the halfway mark Well, I'm not looking stuff up. I'm trying to like and honestly it hit a lull there the last time I was playing Yeah, it's cooking again. The game's fun again right now. How many characters do you have in the world of ruin? I'd have to load it up. Okay, you have more than one though.

Do you have, do you have Terra? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Okay, you're moving pretty good then. He's moving pretty good boys. I will say that I definitely hit a lull again to the point where I just like haven't played it again after where I am.

Where at? Oh, dang. Okay. With most of the party assembled in the world of Ruin. I mean, with a game this long. to the point where I just like haven't played it again after where I am. Oh, yeah. With most of the parties. I mean, with a game this long. It's such a long game. It makes sense that there'd be multiple low points. The only thing I'm not really enjoying right now is that it feels like it has a man. It's a great game. I need to be very clear about that before I complain about anything.

It's fantastic. But if if if if I played this game at like the same time that you did, this would probably be in my like top three all time. I'm not even, I'm not surprised. It is good. It hasn't aged perfectly. Yeah. And I think one of the things that has made it not age perfectly is it came from an era where people would like in a review of a game people would include the estimated completion time and if it was too short they'd complain people would rate it lowly and you know what which was dumb dude that is something we never touch on

when we discuss the cost of games over time because back when we were buying games for 60 70 70 US dollars, but it was the mid 90s, games were fucking expensive. Like, I don't think I knew anyone as a kid who had more than like half a dozen games in their library for a given console. So your game needed to be long so you could get a lot of value.

By the time you had five games, you had literally spent more than you spent on the console and controllers on the game titles, right? Like, that was the dynamic. Whereas now we treat games like they're just disposable, you know? Like, oh yeah, I tried that game, I didn't really like it, I like, I played it for too long to get a Steam refund, so like, whatever. But it was $8 in the Steam summer sale, so who cares? You know? It's a totally different mentality. Yeah, like having more than four or five games

was pretty surprising. So remember people would do a lot of trade-ins and stuff back then too, because things are so expensive. Oh no. Or you'd trade with your buddies or whatever. People say you'll love Expedition 33. Yeah, I'm not gonna play it right now, because I need to finish fantasy 6 but I wish

listed it because it looks really cool. Yeah I think you got time Luke. I haven't I haven't finished re-whiting the wheels yet. After I do that I have to pink the wheels. After I do that I have to mask the wheels then I have to black them then I have to clear coat them and I was legitimately worried you're gonna be done on this show dude It has to start again, dude No And and the scariest part of the whole thing is still coming because the frame which I did pink

Ages ago. I never did the pro on So it's been sitting there for about a year with just pink on it. So I have to clean it, I have to tack cloth it, and then I have to, oh my god I hope I succeed at this, do my very first pearl coat. I haven't purled anything yet. So there's plenty of time for me to screw up and have to go back to square one on any number of different parts Like I am I am many many many hours from completion on this Yeah, I pull the one thing I'm kind of noticing is just the The kind of like okay, I gained 15 points in the pulls though. Sorry, I'm listening. The time-wastey bits.

Oh, the grind? The grind. And I mean, that's a classic. You're coming up on some grind-tastic parts, I'll tell you that much. Like, some of the spells that have like, 1x growth rate and stuff. Oh, huh huh huh huh huh. And like. Yeah, being a little bit more intentional about like trying to actually use the espers

to learn spells and. Okay, back to the completion thing. Does he have to get the whole party together? And I'm not even talking about like optional characters like Gogo and Numaro. I'm talking, talking about like optional characters like go go and Numaro. I'm talking does he have to get the world of balance cast back together or can he just like try to take on Kefka's tower with like eight. People are saying any percent they say any percent you can do whatever you want.

Almost everybody's saying no or any percent. Interesting. There's no way you're just going to play a game like that. That's hilarious. I know this man too well. I already knew the answer before I asked the question. There's absolutely no way. No shot. What was the answer? There's no way you're not going to get the whole team back together.

There's just no way. I was going to say I'm probably going to do it anyway. A huge part of what makes this game so special is the ensemble cast, and you kinda get attached to them. He's not gonna not go get fucking Shadow, like you gotta be kidding me. You saved Shadow, right? Of course. Oh good.

I thought he was gonna say who? Oh no no no no no. Oh that's so funny. I got a little freaked out about it. I... No, no, no, no. Oh That's so I got a little freaked out about it. I I Did I did do a little worried save? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cuz I was like, I don't know if this like he might actually just But I'm happy that he doesn't Yeah, so I found I'm gonna I'm'm- The whole chat said any percent or no, but honestly I'm- I'm gonna go get everyone. So it doesn't really make a difference for me, because I'm planning on trying to get everybody.

I didn't actually- that was a min- I don't care to be clear, but that's a minor spoiler, because I didn't know if everyone was okay. We should probably do sponsors. Dan's had to sign up for like 40 minutes. Yeah, we're just about in Wayne after dark, actually. Everyone knows I love sandals, but they just can't offer the same functionality as our sponsor, Vessi. Their shoes are breathable, lightweight, and most importantly, they help keep your socks dry. Oh, and of course, they are more fashionable than sandals. I mean, subjective, but sure. Their weekend sneakers aren't just great for day-to-day activities either. I actually wore them during my Asia trip not that long ago. Oh look at that Dennis has me wearing my shoes in the rain.

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In March of this year, VPN secure customers began complaining online about lifetime subscriptions no longer working. Lifetime subscription holders then began receiving emails that stated lifetime deal accounts had been deactivated as of April 28th. An email posted on Reddit notes that VPN secure has been acquired by new ownership in 2023 in an asset only deal. So this new owner acquired the technology domain and customer database, but not the liabilities. That is a direct quote. What?

Glorious. The new ownership claims that the previous owner did not disclose that thousands of LTDs, or lifetime deals, had been sold through platforms like StackSocial, and they stated that they only discovered the lifetime deal accounts months later after finding that their resources were being strained by LTD customers who provided no sustaining income to the service. Too bad! When you acquire a company, you get...

Okay, hold on. VPNSecure sent out an additional email this week reiterating that the acquisition was an asset-only deal. Don't you understand? It was an asset-only deal. And after we reviewed six to 12 months of VPNSecure's previous financials before the purchase, the listing, profit and loss statements, and communications never mentioned these lifetime deals. Yeah, but you see the P&L. If you see the profit and loss, then what are we even talking about here? If it was an asset-only deal, it

should have quite literally cancelled all subscriptions. Well, yeah, then they should have no. You can't have it both ways, you can't have the monthly subscriptions but not the lifetime. You don't get to pick which customers you acquired. VPN secure has offered affected users discounted new subscriptions of $1.87 a month instead of $9.95, $19 for a year instead of $80, or $55 for three years instead of $107 until the end of May. Here's a suggestion. How about you not buy anything from a company that treats you so disrespectfully? There's an idea. And I'm not even going to poison this segment by mentioning another VPN that you could sign up for because that is

not the point right now. The point right now is don't give them a dime. Not one penny. If you weren't worth it to them as a customer, who by the way already paid for the service, then you aren't worth it to them as a customer. Period. That's how this works. Since March, there have apparently been 20 pages of one-star reviews on Trustpilot, and VPNSecure is responding on Trustpilot, acknowledging it could have communicated better with customers. No! No, what you could have done is not renege on a deal. Yeah, I don't think there's a way to communicate this better. I think I'm going to be pissed anyways.

And it also says like, despite not assuming the previous company's contracts or payments, like that doesn't sound right. They had the monthlies, right? As far as I know. Yeah, so that's not even correct. The new ownership says they kept the lifetime accounts active for two years as a gesture of goodwill. No, they didn't notice it. No, it's because you didn I know. The new ownership says they kept the lifetime accounts active for two years as a gesture of goodwill. No, they didn't notice it. They made it very clear they didn't notice it. And then their third message claims the new owners didn't gain access to the customer database for

months after the acquisition. Dude, I'm sorry, I just don't feel bad for you. That's, I'm sorry. There's no, there is absolutely no right answer here, I'm afraid. I hope the incredibly low cost of VPN users was worth the 20 pages and hopefully and probably more one-star reviews you're having now. Idiots. Whozaffa1 says, Luke, would you sue the company if you had a lifetime sub? Come on we all know the answer No, yeah It's so much work, and it's probably so expensive Yeah, basically

And it's like I think that's something that a lot of people don't necessarily consider, is that it's really easy to make a video about how you're suing someone or whatever, actually following through on it, like to the point where there's an actual judgment and or settlement of some sort. That's like, it's a ton of work and it's boring. No one's interested in it. It's not content anymore. Only the initial announcement, you know, the big bombshell is content. Nothing else is content. So it's just gonna die. And it's just it and it's like you gotta you gotta weigh the cost benefit, right? Like what is Luke owed?

Dozens of dollars. What's it gonna cost to have even an exploratory call with a lawyer? Come on. Yeah, if somebody already set up a class action lawsuit, people are asking if I would join that, and it's like even then, man, what am I gonna get from it?

Like if I'm gonna get from it like I'm gonna click one button I don't know sure I think the honestly the biggest impact thing that I could do is to obviously never bring them my business again go somewhere else leave that one star review and try to get as many other people to do the same because if if they have one-star reviews everywhere, like if it's, if like, you know, there's Trustpilot, but if they also have one-star reviews on, I'm assuming they're on the app stores and everything else. If they have just one-star reviews everywhere, then that's it. Unless they do a major rebrand, which is going

to cost them a huge amount of money and kind of ruin a huge part of the reason why they bought this company anyways they're just like screwed there's so many VPNs out there people aren't going to just go to the the one-star one constantly people are talking about small claims court I can't speak to People are talking about small claims court. I can't speak to every other jurisdiction, but small claims court here is intended for like local defendants. Like I can't take some like Israeli or, you know, Chinese company to small claims court like that.

Come on. They would have under what authority am I going to summon them to the courthouse? Like that's the thing, right? It's not happening. Anyway, someone says in the US you can. Okay, well that's great. And I wish you luck with that. But yeah, here it's woefully impractical.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know the... Nice voice crack. I don't know the country lines thing. Like, we're only gonna be aware of our local stuff and even then, barely. If I'm being completely honest. Inception Bois says, if they don't show up, then the judge sides with you in small claims court. Yeah, that's nice, but so what? How am I going to actually get anything from them?

Is the judge also going to like get on a plane and go to their headquarters and like rough them up if they don't pay it? Definitely going to go get the money out of someone that supposedly has lost in small claims court. Alright. What else we got this week? Do we want to talk about some good news? Yeah. This is so cool. Here, I'm gonna fire up the promo that Philips did. Let's go. This is like, dude, how is a company this big

doing something this cool? I was stunned, to be honest. Is this real? This is real. That is incredible. This is real. Fixables. Dude they partnered with Prusa. This was the point of 3D printing when it was first like coming onto the scene like a decade ago. Dude! So you could just like... Oh my god. You could just make Phillips compatible like replacement pieces and adapters and they've got a whole thing. Like, look, dude, this is so cool.

They've got Joseph freaking Prusa in the promo for it. It's like the best news a WAN show's ever had. Right? This is genuinely incredibly cool. They will have my business for this reason. Yeah, 30 years ago, yeah. Dude, I don't know anything. Okay, I don't not know anything. I don't know anything, okay, I don't not know anything.

I don't know much about Philips, right? In the last 10 years, what have they done that's been on my radar? They have overpriced light bulbs. I don't know, they have like- We use them here. The Wenset has the Philips Hue. Sure, right?

But like, have they done anything that has even remotely seemed this cool that has shown up on your guys's radar in the last decade? Definitely not. But I don't think anyone in the spaces that Philips operates in has either to defend them a little. Oh, no, no, I'm not attacking them. I'm not attacking them. I'm just saying. No, I'm just making it clear for other people. They do a lot of healthcare stuff. Dude, this came completely out of nowhere for me. Oh, me too. And I was just so, I was so excited to see this

that I just didn't, I don't really know what else to say other than this is super cool. So they've teamed up with Prusa Research to launch Philips fixables, aiming to encourage self-repair of Philips products using 3D printed replacement components, which will be available on printables.com. Philips will include recommended print settings to ensure that your 3D printed parts are sturdy enough to be a long-term solution. And there's only one design so far, but the website and promo videos show

additional 3D printed parts parts for Phillips grooming products, and users are able to submit requests for specific parts if they're not already available. So it's baby steps right now. I'm sick. In the infancy. But right now, if this is what it seems to be on the surface, I am so amped.

And this is enough to significantly sway my purchase decisions between like a Phillips something or an Oral-B that thing or, you know, a Norelco shaver or a Phillips shaver. Like I am, I'm so in, I'm so in. Same here. You know what's interesting is people are talking about how apparently it's like trending on Thingiverse

or whatever already. I wonder if this could be an interesting way to inform apparently it's like trending on If they don't mind this for data, they're crazy. Yeah. You're like, wow, this one part seems to be breaking a lot. Let's re-engineer that a little bit on the next model and make it better in the future. Or like everyone and their dog prints a number five and a half, you know, buzz cut guard. Maybe we should add that as a default option. That should be in the standard kit. You know, dude, this is cash money. Or I hope it is.

That's so killer. This kind of behavior should absolutely be rewarded. It will affect my purchase decisions easily. If there's a Phillips equivalent to something else, I'm reaching for the Phillips. Panda says, Phillips is Norelco law. Okay, well, fine. Branding works then, I guess.

They've indoctrinated me. Someone in full plain chat also said that they're in the market for a new beard trimmer and they're gonna get a Phillips one now because of it. This is like, this is where, you know, voting with your wallet works both ways, right? Yeah. And I hate how often it has to be like a negative message. This is, this is exciting.

This is an opportunity for us to send a positive message. Like, gives me hope for the future. I was actually, I went as far as ordering the replacement battery for my, my electric toothbrush. I think it's a, I want to say it's an oral B or something like that. And I was so, I was so annoyed to discover how difficult it is to replace the battery in it, but I found out it's possible. And then I had like a video title idea in my mind that was like, my toothbrush shouldn't be this hard to fix. And the idea was I was going to do like a handful title idea in my mind that was like, my toothbrush shouldn't be this hard to fix. And the idea was I was gonna do like a handful

of little fixes around the house that were like rejuvenating things. And then we did that sponsored thing with, what's their nuts, Life N or something like that. And I started using that toothbrush and then I got distracted by some other shiny video project.

And then we never ended up doing the video, but having had that experience with that other toothbrush and then seeing Phillips's attitude here, there's just absolutely no question that I would consider a brand that built that kind of impossible to repair ability into their toothbrush anymore. I just wouldn't even consider it anymore. Yeah.

All right. I'm looking them up right now because I'm not I wasn't actually sure of the brand of my toothbrush and shaver and it I guess I'm already in the Philips ecosystem. So there's not a ton more I can do. But but hey they'll have continued purchases for me, I guess, over time. Well, I mean, we're in a unique position where there's definitely things that we can do, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So at least there's that. So, you know, back to the VPN thing and this, you know, we could talk about it on the LAN show. Yeah. That hopefully makes a difference. All right, What else? What else we got this week?

Energy Star going down? I want to talk about podcasters not wanting public play counts. Spotify. This is funny to me. Spotify has responded to podcaster backlash over the Plays feature that was announced last week. Plays was announced as a new publicly visible metric of how many times an episode of a podcast has been actively watched or listened to rounded to the nearest thousand. Spotify said this would help users attract new audiences, but podcasters were quick to criticize the feature, with most feeling that plays would give additional promotion

to podcasts that already have large audiences and make small shows less appealing to new listeners. Spotify announced changes earlier today, updating the program so plays only start to be displayed after 50,000 plays and will only update at specific milestones instead of being more granular. So Luke, what do you think about this? I feel like their update might be worse.

Because, because now people are just going to see 50,000 and above and discard everything else. Which is like so bad. Wow, yeah, I feel like that's like the worst pivot they could have almost possibly done. I feel like in a weird way, I'm not super surprised that some podcasters don't want to show the play count. Oh yeah. I've got so many thoughts about that, but yes, carry on. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that comes down to podcast ad rates being like super, super high for some reason compared to any other form of media, which I've never understood. And now I'm wondering if it's because play counts are hidden. As far as I can tell, the entire model

for podcast advertising, which yes, to your point, commands an astonishing CPM compared to... Like compared to video, which makes no sense to me. Absolutely no sense. The only difference as far as I can tell, and the reason that podcasting commands this extremely high rate, is that it has this air of like exclusivities,

or not exclusivity, but like professionalism slash old media that it has somehow carried over from the radio days and a lot of relationships with radio advertisers moved into the podcasting space. And because it uses a lot of the same bullsh** metrics that newspapers and magazines and radio did to calculate their reach. So podcasting advertisers, as far as I can tell, have just been bamboozled for years and years and years into paying rates that make absolutely no sense, as far as I can tell. Like I have seen the numbers that agencies have floated

by us for what they think a podcast that is equivalently sized to the WAN show might be able to bring in. And I'm looking at it going like, this is more than we do in AdSense, sponsor integrations and like merch sales. Like what is even going on right now but it's very very old media the way that the podcasting advertising space works and I guarantee you the last thing they want is transparency in seeing how many people are actually listening to any of this and it it's something that I've tried to figure out multiple times.

Because every once in a while, I will have someone reach out and invite me onto their podcast. And one of the things that I will try to figure out is, and like, look, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but is this a real podcast? You know? Or is this just like a dude and his friend who bought a snowball and this is like their first episode? What happens? I'm trying to do a little bit of due diligence to make sure that I am optimizing my time.

And you know, so I have done interview requests with very, very small publications in the past, and I have turned down very big ones. It's not a hard and fast rule. It's not just like, oh, well, like, are you big enough? It's not like that. But I also like to do my due diligence because there have been times when I've collaborated with people and not done due diligence in the past that haven't worked out so great. So basically, there have been multiple times

that I've kind of sat down and I've looked at a podcast and gone, okay, is anybody actually listening to this? It is flipping impossible to tell how big one podcast is compared to another one, unless it's like, you know, the top ranked, you know, handful per category or per country or whatever. Like there are some metrics, but even then, it is tough to know which ones are relevant. People are talking about like Fallon and stuff.

Okay, no, no, no, not related to that. Yeah, not a big enough podcast, I think. Gonna need to question that one. So I gotta tell you, as an advertiser, you're probably coming up against the same information wall where you just cannot tell if anybody is actually consuming this media or not. And what I suspect is that the vast majority of podcasts are just part of a roster of podcasts or like a bundle of podcasts that are being sold by agencies, some of which are performing, but most of which absolutely f**king nobody is listening to and do not want anybody to know that

nobody is listening to it. It's also extremely easy to, these days, and it has been for a while now, probably four years, five years maybe, it's been extremely easy to make a very professional looking and honestly decently professional sounding podcast with some of the solutions that are out there. You put that- I guess. Some people were- Listen to Luke today.

That's not my fault. Some people were- I to Luke today. That's not my fault. Some people were- I didn't blame you. You took it personally. Some people were copying the Joe Rogan setup for a while. These days it seems to be more of the Andrew Huberman one where it's that spaced out wooden slat wall with the black behind it. They're all sitting on a couch next to each other.

And you have a very plain table. And then you have two like SM7Bs. And if you can buy that and a like a two mic audio interface, which you can do because of the road casters, like everything's kind of like solved for people now. Elgato can get you your lights and things really quickly and easily. When we were first doing this, it was weird, complicated, steal things from the audio industry, try to make it work science. And now it's-

Or, you know, actual training, which we didn't have. Yeah. And if you have a tiny bedroom or a tiny room, it's much easier to treat, you know? Yeah. And if you don't tiny bedroom or a tiny room, it's much easier to treat, you know? Yeah. And if you don't do video, oh, oh, easy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But even, even what my point is even doing the video side, which is, I think, I actually, I think there's something there. I, a lot of these smaller podcasts have been doing video these days, and I think it's on purpose. And I think it's on purpose and I think it's because you can achieve that professional look quite easily and then if you can get in one of these bundles or if you can at least if you can make yourself look professional or whatever if you can pay to have a very reputable guest come on even if you're not getting

a ton of views if you can get some clips from it if you can get whatever else you can make yourself look very popular. There was some proof not that long ago that people were making fake podcasts and using that to promote products. I don't know if you've heard about this, but they would make these podcast looking sets with these the wooden slats in the background with the black behind the wooden slats,

maybe a fake little IKEA plant, the SM SM seven B's wooden table, people facing each other. It wouldn't even be a real podcast. It would just be two people talking about like, yeah, this thing like changed my life, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it would look like a discussion, but it was a, like a shadow advertisement. It's it's fake influencers pretending that they're having a podcast

and they're just naturally talking about something, but they're not, they're advertising very specifically for a product. That was a huge thing for a while. That became a thing because achieving this professional looking podcast look became relatively, I know I'm saying cheap when it's a few thousand dollars, but relatively cheap and easy. For how much money you can gain back from it, cheap.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. That's wild. People say you see that a lot on TikTok. Yeah, I don't know. I don't use TikTok, but that, I know that was a thing for quite a while. I'm not surprised it's still a thing. And when you know that the barrier of entry is that low, if you can use that low barrier of entry to get into the podcasting space and then hide under a non-reported play count like I Promise you people are gaming that system. I would bet very solid cash that people would be gaming that system anyway, I fully as someone who has had to

Claw my way for every for every bit of recognition. Do you have any idea how hard it was to sell sponsorships against YouTube videos 13 years ago? Well, especially when you were effectively the first one doing it. Do you have any idea how hard that was? And like the craziest part to me back in the day was like I had metrics.

And I'm up against these guys that have no metrics. As far as I can tell, nobody is actually watching any of it. And I see the kinds of deals and budgets that they're getting and I'm just like, this is insane. Just completely stop writing their checks, sign them over to me, and immediately watch your ROI go up. But it took a decade. It took a decade for people to figure it out, and a lot of them still haven't. So as someone who had to actually have all of my performance completely transparent to every brand and every viewer that I've ever engaged with, every collaborator that I've ever worked with, I support it. Put play counts on it. Yeah.

I've got our podcast metrics here, if you want any insight, or you want me to share any insight. But are they real? Who knows? Do they report them properly? We don't get a ton on the listening side, which is... We do, we get 75% over the video side of our Spotify I actually have no idea what our podcast numbers are. Sorry our Dan. Are you talking about them right now? Yeah, do you have a guess how many how many?

That's a lot higher than I thought have any streams of you have we done this year like WAN show streams Yeah, you're I mean like like 20 or whatever. Oh, sorry. Uh, how many streams on Spotify? Streams, views, downloads, there's kind of a complicated way to categorize them. We've had about 20 episodes, right? And then every episode does anywhere from half a million to three quarters of a million on YouTube. Generally, we had kind of a rough week last week and I think this week's gonna be pretty rough. I think we did not nail the title of this one,

but whatever, we do our best. So that would be 10 million or whatever on YouTube. So let's say, I literally have no idea. Let's say, Spotify. I don't know. I don't even subscribe to Spotify. I don't even like use it. Remember, podcasts goes out to everywhere where there is podcasts. Podcasts is like a really cool format.

Um, two million. Last week's gonna land on a half-mill. Two million in almost exactly. Two million streams. Oh, okay. Yeah. That was very bang on. Okay. Well then that's fine, I guess. And like a quarter of that are watching, because we do video for Spotify. Oh, okay

I didn't even know I like that makes my life so much easier not a lot of people do It was a new feature that they were testing for a while so 75% listen about 25% seem to watch huh That might be a Spotify only thing and podcasts go to literally anywhere like it goes on iTunes or or anywhere Because it's RSS feed based. And that's a funny thing because then that makes us a really big YouTube tech live stream. But actually one of the largest podcast. Oh, see, that's the thing. These numbers are so small to me.

I just assumed that we're a small podcast. It's very interesting. No, we're one of the larger ones. I think that because of the barrier for entry is so low now and like most people aren't doing what we do Which is the bad way to do it, which is just record it live and then send it without doing any mastering pass at all Yeah, whatever. So we try our best Do we though? Yeah, yeah

How much more money do you want to spend on this we could make it? No, we don't want to we don't want to try our best No, you don't not trying our best and we don't want you do not want to spend on this? We could make it really- No, we don't want to. We don't want to try our best. No, you don't. We're not trying our best and we don't want to. You do not want to. It will cost you an arm and a leg. But like, 25% of people finish a quarter of an episode. 5% finish three quarters of an episode. And 3% almost finish all of it. That's terrible. So that's just like a complete waste of time and we shouldn't even bother uploading them then. No, it's pretty, it's pretty useful. Is it?

Okay. For reasons. How do I, how do I won't go into it. So here, so here, I'm gonna try and do this. I'm gonna try and do this. Okay, so I'm, I am trying to find top tech podcasts. So I, because Dan pulled this pulled this statement statement as far as I can tell completely out of his butt That we are one of the bigger tech podcasts And I'm I'm looking at this and I'm going how how are you supposed to know that is can you hear me? Yes? Okay, my computer is doing that thing, so I'll be back. Okay. I will meet you top shows Okay, so these are are these the top? technology podcasts? Like verge, I know the verge. I know Ted.

Is that a tech podcast though? A lot of Ted stuff is kind of tech. Wait, these are just top episodes. Why is this? Why is this so obtuse? I tried to go okay top shows okay here we go. Yeah dude we're tiny unless we're not. Depends on the category it can be a little bit complicated. I mean this is, right? We do get rankings for us. And this is specifically on Apple Pie, because we haven't even, dude, we haven't even shown up yet. Dude, Wanshow's not even top 100 according to this. Maybe not of all time, but certainly in the tech sector, I know that we're up there. But this is tech. Oh wait, charts, genre, yeah, genre 1318. I mean, we got Linux unplugged.

See, now though, now we're getting to the point where I'm having a hard time believing, and I don't wanna call anybody in particular out, okay? So Wanshow, no. Okay, yeah, I'm having a hard time believing, okay, I, look, I don't wanna call anybody out, but who is Logan Bartlett? I just wanna know who Logan Bartlett is.

4.8 stars, that's really good. Apparently, this is really good. The internet is full of influencers I've never heard of, so it's nothing personal. Logan Bartlett. Okay, so Buddy buddy uploads on YouTube and has some very very popular videos. First interview with Sam Altman after GPT 4.0. Okay, so that's that's pretty cool.

I'm not sure if I believe that this podcast is bigger than ours, though, based on the numbers I'm looking at. But that's the thing is... Some of the splits are obscene. Yeah, I look at everything through a YouTube lens. Like, I'm YouTube native and everything else is just like, what? Well, okay, not everything else, but. Same way that someone will be like big on Instagram and I'll be like, are they actually big and then check their like YouTube? Because again, I'm YouTube first and then I have to take a step back and be like, Oh wait, no, this is, this is an Instagram first creator. If this person is a podcast first or, or, you know, Spotify first creator, then

I mean, think about something like Twitch, you know, if you have six concurrent viewers, you're in top percentages. If the barrier for entry for podcasts is so low and you can just like sit down and upload whatever you want, you know, if you're in the top 10,000 you're doing pretty okay Eddie Koldrick oh so we're not under tech we're under tech news I'm working on it yeah I can't I can't find our our rankings that we get top 10 and there's also tech news, US, tech news UK, that sort of thing. I haven't heard of some of the other things that are in the top 10. Yeah, I think we talked about this ages ago, if you remember when we were starting into this. Like, who are these people?

They're more popular by us by like a large margin. I pretty much guarantee you that a lot of them say the same thing about us. I'm sure, I'm 100% sure. Who the heck are these guys? I mean, their show isn't even professional, look at this. Yeah, this is- This is terrible. Garbage. This is actual trash, actual dumpster fire.

Her set has wrinkles. That dude clearly just woke up. He didn't even do his hair. What is happening? That is the least of our problems. You're wearing clothes your co-worker made. It's like... It's not even a good gaming headset. Oh, I have RGB on it.

No mastering pass on the audio. A lot of podcasts, like, you know, if there is no video... I have to do a real-time master. It's awful. If you're only listening to the audio, it's nice to have it actually, like, you know, if there is no video. I have to do a real time master, it's awful. If you're only listening to the audio, it's nice to have it actually like sound good. We are number six after cybersecurity headlines, Babbage, CyberWire Daily, 404 Media, them I know, and the tech news briefing from the Wall Street Journal.

And they are way bigger. How do we know though? I remember looking at some charts that we like. I haven't touched podcasting in a while. But where do these charts come from? They don't know. You have to pay someone for the charts? Well, we get charts because we're special, because we're one of the larger podcasters. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

As a larger podcaster, you get Intel on the other podcasters Yeah, that's not available publicly. I get like well, I don't know I remember while I remember getting a weekly like digest email that said that we're we're better and it like that's your billboard 100 Everyone should have access to that. I Mean the charitable there we are. Um, let's see. Is this like real data? Like are you getting this from...

Yeah, like where's this from? I think everyone's just guessing, dude. It could be lies. Let me see if I can actually open this. Like here, we can see how many people rated it. That's something. Like how many people rated the WAN show so if I look at our dashboard now I don't know I don't know if I agree I don't think it's that good but thank you it's very generous go is this just by ratings no

because this one only has a hundred twenty three ratings what one the cyber because I'm not super surprised because that has like the most generic name and photo yeah but apparently they're they're bigger but they also upload daily oh so that's a daily podcast so that's a volume game and a half right there I could see following that though yeah security daily like how many how many I'm gonna listen to it on the way to game and a half right there. I could see following that though. Yeah, for sure. Daily. Like how many, how many episodes are there? You can listen to it on the way to work. Like I could absolutely see. One thousand four hundred episodes. This is one I got from last year.

Because I think they're blocked in our email thing now. Okay. But for Apple podcasts, we're number eight for tech news in the US, number 211 for Great Britain for news, number seven for Great Britain for tech news, 146 in Canada for news, number two in Canada for tech news, that's on Apple podcasts. Sure. I don't know. I think it's all made up and I support more transparency. Alright. There are some... Oh. There are some new Android scan protections. And this video is not out yet, but we did a collaboration with Kit Boga recently that was a lot of fun and was both eye-opening and also extremely terrifying.

It's not something I dedicate a lot of my brain cycles to. It's not something that I have really experienced with my aging relatives. But there are so many different angles of attack from scammers that I'd just never heard of. And he really kind of like, I don't know, kind of red-pilled me, okay? So I get it now.

I am now aware of what's out there and the world, the world is trash and it's full of people who are trash and are gonna try and take everything from you for no reason other than that you have it and they don't. And that sucks, and thank you very much Kit, I appreciate you very much. Anyway, at Android I.O. this week, Google announced new tools in Android 16 aimed at protecting users from such scams. They have new in-call protections that prevent users from taking risky actions, such as granting

accessibility permissions or sideloading an app for the first time. If you are in-call, that is super cool. That's a way for Android to stay open and allow sideloading and allow special accessibility permissions, but not allow somebody to get you to do that while you are on a phone call with them. So that seems pretty neat. If you are screen sharing during a phone call, Android will now automatically prompt you to stop sharing at the end of the call.

And they're piloting a program in the UK, we're launching a participating banking app while screen sharing with an unknown contact will trigger a warning from Android and give you the option to end the call and stop screen sharing with one tap. Scam detection is an AI-powered tool for scam detection in text that will warn when it spots suspicious conversation patterns. And key verifier allows you and the person you're messaging to verify the identity of the other party through public encryption keys to help thwart imposters, e.g. sim swaps. My only concern here is that the kinds of users

who from working with Kit on that video seem to be targeted by these folks may not be helped that much by this. It seems like they are accustomed to a very unsophisticated, non-savvy user. Like, I was amazed at how dense we had to pretend to be in order to get them to hang up on us. Like, Luke, I asked this one guy to sing me happy birthday. Plouffe and Adam both succeeded in getting the scammer to sing them happy birthday. I asked mine, who's your daddy and what does he do? That wasn't enough to deter him.

Like, so the angle for the video, so you guys know what to expect it's gonna be dude It's gonna be a blast. I think we shot two videos One for our channel one for kits. I think or both for our channel. I don't know we did something I think we did one for I think the other one was for kids channel Anyway, the point was I just went where they told me to go and I wasn't me on camera Anyway, so for ours we try to make the unscammable PC and then yeah The one that I think is going

live on his channel is just him having us compete to see who can keep scammers on for the longest. So it's me, Plouffe, Adam, and Elijah, and Kit if I recall correctly. All five of us took a whack at it. I might have some of these details wrong, but the point is the stick for it was that we don't just keep them on the phone, because honestly, that's relatively easy. You have someone off camera holding up a piece of paper with stuff you have to say, stuff that you have to insert in the conversation. So that's where some of these, like, wackadoodle things, who's your daddy, um, you have to tell them you're so lonely, no one came to my birthday party, will you be my friend, you have to ask if you're so lonely. No one came to my birthday party.

Will you be my friend? You have to ask if their mom's single. Just... Oh, so painful. So painful. Anyway, it's going to be great. It's going to be great. Don't miss it.

So cool. New Android scan protections. Seems like progress, but it's also hard to look at this and say anything, but like, feels like too little too late, but let's see how it goes. ROG Rig Reboot is back. We are excited to announce that we have once again partnered with ASUS to give our viewers the opportunity

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Open this link to just show what it is. Explain if needed. Okay. Ah, yes, Linus and Elijah discuss My Little Pony. Oh, I have already watched this, so it started at the end. We talk about our favorite ponies and people apparently liked that. Anyway you guys loved the first one so we're gonna

keep it going during Computex. Did Dan just yell yikes from the back? Some of our team will be on the ground next week uploading random clips as they happen. You may see things like eating stinky tofu for the first time, silly stuff on the show floor and everything in between, and yes, Luke will apparently be doing his traditional show floor walk. Sammy says, totally announcing this, so Luke makes time for me to do a show floor walk with him. Oh, okay, so Sammy had not discussed this with you. No, he asked me like a while ago if I would do it and I was like yeah and then he asked

me again today and I was like yeah so I think he forgot that I already agreed to it. Nice. But it's okay. So check out the LMG team during Computex at lmg.gg slash flowplain. check out the LMG team during Computex at lmg.gg slash flowplane. All right, what else we got today? Okay, okay, I'm confused by this. Luke, help me out here. Sorcerers Ars Technica, industry groups decry the imminent demise of Energy Star.

The current US administration has decided to terminate the Energy Star program, though it's not clear if Energy Star can be eliminated without an act of Congress. Energy Star is a program run by the US Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, and the Department of Energy, the DOE, to help consumers, businesses, and industry save money and protect the environment by using energy-efficient products and practices. It identifies top-performing, cost-effective products, homes, and buildings through its distinctive blue label. Okay, what I asked for in this topic was an Eli-5 for Energy Star because other than seeing the label on things and being like, okay, so that's a that, I guess it's energy. I never really knew what exactly it meant. It meant that this one is like more ranked-er, good-er for

the efficiency but also a lot of the time it seemed kind of arbitrary because it's like yeah this one's really bad for power efficiency but also it's like on the much bigger end of like how big TVs can be in this category so obviously you know like I okay so that's what it is. It is a voluntary program that was created as part of a bill passed by the near the end of George H.W. Bush's time in office. President Clinton issued an executive order mandating that federal agencies should prioritize Energy Star certified products in their procurement. Chamber of Commerce, something something. Energy Star enabled consumers to save an estimated $500 billion over the past 33 years. Ars Technica notes that companies that have invested in making more efficient products

are faced with the loss of the Energy Star brand as a marketing tool. Oh, this is why they care. Okay. The Energy Star logo has helped them make the case with the government support that the initial cost of efficient appliances will be offset over time in reduced water and energy consumption. Got it. I was trying to figure out why industry groups cared about Energy Star going away. So the answer is marketing. Hit me you guys in the chat.

Do you factor Energy Star into your purchases? Cause I gotta confess, other than like seeing it in my bios or whatever, I can't say that it's been a major factor for me. It's something that I see on the product after I buy it, essentially every single time. And almost all of Chad is saying no. But remember we live in BC.

I actually haven't seen anyone in Chad say yes. We live in BC where our electricity is cheap. Right. So that's something. Yeah. States have some of their own regulations as well. I mean, yeah. Used to.

My wife does. Okay. And especially if it impacts like government procurement, then I could see it affecting a significant number of units that are purchased, even if it's not individual consumers I have for larger appliances. I prefer it all else being equal. I have okay I like to see it there. Oh interesting. Yeet Dab Man says that sticker is a real POS to remove. I'd say no for appliances. Heck yes. Interesting. There are consumer rebates based on Energy Star in some jurisdictions. Okay, so maybe this is just more of like Americans have a higher level of awareness of this. Because up here, I don't see it really that consistently applied to things.

I don't see it marketed that hard. Yeah, I don't see it marketed literally at all up here, I think. On appliances, yeah, but I don't remember a time you would have bought appliances because you bought your place new and it was full of appliances. I bought a dishwasher because it didn't work. Did you look at the Energy Star? Not even a little bit. I talked to my dad and I talked to some of my dad's appliance friends about which one would break the least.

Fair enough. No problems ever since. Okay. Well, good chat. Apple is attempting to scare users if apps use external purchases. Source is the verge here, allegedly. Apple seems to be trying scare tactics to prevent people from downloading using apps that use external payments.

The message, which appears with a big red exclamation mark at the very top of the app's page, says the following, this app does not support the app store's private and secure payment system. It uses external purchases. Ooh, scary. This seems to be in response to the EU's decision in March of 2024 where they require Apple to allow developers to enable external purchase options instead of essentially forcing developers to pay a 30% fee to Apple. People have been reporting that this isn't new and Apple has been doing it since the EU started in forcing Apple to comply with the ruling change.

But what they've been changing is that the warning image used to just be a lowercase i for information rather than the new red exclamation mark Okay, so we've talked about this before a hundred percent, but that makes there was also this didn't make it into the doc this week But there was also like fortnight is not on the App Store because Kim Sweeney is pushing the envelope again But also Apple in my humble opinion is clearly in the wrong here in the first place So yeah, good luck Epic and Apple. I hope you guys bury the hatchet someday. Not yet though. Steam didn't get hacked, speaking of hacking hatchets or something.

Valve has responded to rumors of a data breach that appears to have started on LinkedIn and included claims that more than 89 million records were for sale with a sample of the data made available to prospective purchasers." Something, something, something. Valve examined a leaked sample and determined the data did not come from a breach of Steam's systems. There's a bunch of other stuff, but basically, from a Steam perspective, Valve says customers do not need to change their passwords or phone numbers as a result of this event.

It is a- It's not a bad idea to do it anyways, though. It's a good reminder to treat any account security messages that you have not explicitly requested as suspicious though, and reminds users to set up steam mobile authenticator if they haven't already. All right, pretty much good guy valve. And next cloud accuses Google of deliberately crippling its app. European software vendor Nextcloud has accused Google of deliberately crippling its app. European software vendor Nextcloud has accused Google

of deliberately crippling its Android files app, a file synchronization tool. In 2024, Google's Play Store revoked the all files access permission that they've had since 2016, effectively crippling the app and instructing Nextcloud to use a more privacy aware replacement. But Nextcloud says, hey, we can't use those. Storage access framework, SAF, cannot be used

as it is for sharing slash exposing our files to other apps. MediaStore API cannot be used as it does not allow access to other files, but only media files. Google's developer documentation states, if you target Android 11 and declare all files access, it can affect your ability to publish and update your app on Google Play.

So basically you can't compete with Google Drive? Is that what I'm hearing? Yikes. Yikes. Yeah, Timo says there are so many file managers out there that don't have their permissions crippled. Yeah, it does make it feel a little personal, doesn't it? I can't say for sure that it is, but Nextcloud sure seems to think so.

Yeah, Google and Apple are both getting really stabby about defending their mobile moats right now. And I hope this continues to go poorly for them. Me too. Unique username says, next cloud is the largest competitor to all the cloud lock-in solutions from Google and Apple. Well, yeah.

This doesn't feel accidental to me, is what I'll say. All right, Dan, are we supposed to be doing After Dark now? I think we got our announcements done. I think we've done all the topics. Let's do it. Wow. Not a ton of curated merge messages today. No, lots of people buying, what are they called?

The tall sizes. Well, yeah, that makes sense. I wonder why. Cause they're great. Go us. It's cause they're compensating. It's true But

For what? Not being short. Yeah All the all the canes are short nobody just get to be surfs It's harder for us to pack because our clothing takes up more space Jamie calls me slender man and asks if he needs help finding my pages Ten out of ten banter LLD could you expand on the hesitancy to include more tall skews? Can't speak for others, but it's worth a five to ten dollar premium for me. Shouldn't that cover the overhead? Gift cards for pink 2XL? Tall shirts? When?" The hesitancy is that in order to stock a thing you have to buy thousands, in many cases tens of thousands of dollars worth of that thing.

So it is both a risk management issue because you don't want to go and buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of that thing. So it is both a risk management issue because you don't wanna go and buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of a thing that then just sits there because that's bad for business. And also just a cashflow management exercise thing. You can't just take your entire existing portfolio and okay, A, have the, you know, worker hours to create new, right, right, new patterns for everything, right?

Like, literally, you are doubling the number of the amount of grading that you have to do. So, grading is where you take a design and you adjust it for all your different sizes. You're doubling the grading that you have to do for a given style. And then not only that, but you are significantly increasing the amount of cash outlay that you are spending in order to buy and hold that inventory. It's boring, spreadsheet, accounting stuff. I don't expect people to care, but it doesn't make it not just how it is. And it's a big part of the same reason that, or it's a big part of the reason

that we also haven't just like, started up an EU distribution warehouse. Because it's not that simple. The logistics are not that simple. The logistics are not that simple. The reporting and taxation and accounting and all of those things, they're just not that simple. And at the end of the day, we are still, and I can't emphasize this enough, we are still a pretty small company, right?

And overall, we have like 100 plus employees and we're at around 100 and something right now. Is that right, Luke? I think so. I think that's roughly correct. Yeah, I think that's about right. But Creator Warehouse doesn't have 100 employees. Creator Warehouse is a tiny company. They have a couple of dozen employees. The fact that they sell around the world at all is a small miracle. Right? Like what you're going to say, oh yeah, well, they should just have distribution centers on every continent. Are you serious right now? Like we're, no, that's not how it works. It's not how any of this works. We are doing our best and we are going to, you know,

constantly try to get delivery costs down around the world. We're going to try to expand our styles with, you know, tall sizes. I just got confirmation. They promised me husky sizes for t-shirts are coming in 2026. Okay, we're working on it. But these things take time. They take cash. They take hours. Someone's got to do it. I'm happy we're finally getting them. And I'm really, I was very surprised. I got it spoiled to me by the chat, but I was really surprised that there was all the colors for tall sizes.

That's super cool. But I didn't really expect it. I mean, there's a reason why almost no store that you go into has any tall sizes. Like it's just doubling your skews like that is tough. And you've got to know that there's some chance that it's going to work out, which is why we took it slow. It's why we started with the black. We started with a small order because in theory, anything's a great idea. Yeah. But there's a big difference between people being excited about something and people actually pulling out their wallet and spending money on it. Huge difference. Vast ocean of difference. So you need to be evidence driven. That's a big part of

what like Taron pushes ever since he joined is like be data driven. That doesn't mean that we can't YOLO and buy a fire truck once in a while, but it means that we need to overall make sure that we are making decisions that are supported by real world evidence that we can use as our guiding star at the very least. Hi, Linus, Luke and Dan. Question for Luke, which individuals or teams do the marketing or advertising for Float Plane? It would be cool to hear about the work they do

to attract new creators versus users." No, we do very little work to attract new creators. Isn't that Linus? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's my job. I have not, I have been asleep at the wheel for many years. What a bad employee. Why did you fire this guy? Terrible. Yeah, the business team, there's Sean and then indirectly Colton on the business team who work on coming up with the business sides of ideas of trying to make Flowplane better

and more worth it for people to join and stay for a variety of creators. But you know, the business team is, is focused on, um, LMG stuff, but then hopefully those features, uh, benefit other people as well, or those ideas benefit other people as well, but their, their goal, they're looking at the LTT subscription, right? Like they are employees at Linus media group. Those are business people at Linus media. These are not float plane people. And Sammy is sort of indirectly a big part

of the marketing of Float Plane just by creating- Yep, I just wasn't even there yet. Great content. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, hard, big time it's Sammy making exclusives and pushing the envelope with the types of things that we're doing, including this, I guess maybe it was Linus' idea,

but including this, I guess maybe it was Linus' idea, but including this, the clips thing you were talking about, the short content, I think that's a cool idea. I shouldn't say it's my idea, it's not like I came up with the idea of short form content. But that's not what I meant. That's not very narcissist-y. Having that on the platform now.

Oh, I see. Yeah, get better at being a narcissist, what's wrong with you? Sorry. But yeah, so that's the engines that are going for the Linux Media Group side. And you know, we learn things from the content that LMG does and how it performs on the platforms. And then sometimes other creators ask me, effectively me about that. And then I'll share some of that information

so they can benefit from that learning as well. And then some of the work that the business team does can potentially benefit other creators as well. But they are generally focused on Linux Media Group expansion within the Floatplane universe. And then the Floatplane dev team essentially tries to make floatplane better for all the creators because the floatplane dev team is focused on the platform as a whole. The floatplane dev team has been very focused on that big project we've been doing for a while that has been semi-leaked but not fully leaked. And that has resulted in when the business team keeps coming to us with

very very reasonable fairly measured requests it us going sorry can't do it right now a little bit too busy and then we've been doing that for quite a while now so sorry business team but there are things that they want to do that that will be good to be clear and we will do it eventually but yeah are things that they want to do that will be good, to be clear. And we will do it eventually. But yeah, that's kind of that circle. There's Sean and Colton from the business team, and then Sammy from the content team, and then the Floatplane dev team.

How about some more? Yeah, I'm just looking up this next one. This has been added to Drive, learn more. It's like, no, no, I want to open it in Drive. I have my new product introductions inventory planning sheet. Isn't Drive awful? And I'm trying to, oh, no, oh, cool. It enhanced without being blurry this time.

Uh, cool. Okay, hit me, Dan. Dear Daniel Besser, please could you ask the relevant authorities if we might be able to receive an update on the production of the pencil scribe driver? Yours faithfully, a Brit in need of a pencil. Okay, the last NPI document I have says current launch date April 30th 2025 What does NPI mean Linus? New product introduction So that didn't happen Good job

We don't have a history of that at this company at all in all seriousness In all seriousness, we are way tighter about things now, but what I'm trying to say is soon. Soon. My niece... So people are kind of like, enchanting it in Float Plane Chat. Do we have anything we can say about Mod Mat? Not yet. We'll have updates when we can. It will be ready when it is ready.

And we'll update you when we're able to. Only when it is ready. And we'll update you when we're able to. Only when it is ready. My niece is having trouble finding a PC under a thousand dollars to play Fortnite and Roblox. Any tips on how to navigate ultra low budget PC buying? It's hard to know the line between performance and requirements. Do I ever have tips on that? May I suggest a really great, tips on that. May I suggest a really great, well, okay, YouTube channel? A bit of a narcissistic host. You'll have to kind of get past that whiny voice. So check this out. So Linus Tech Tips. Yeah, this guy right here. Aw, he's awful. Anyway, the point is you just go on the videos, okay? This is a, man, they really do like clutter up with these members only videos.

Anyway, the point is, you kind of scroll down and you see if there's any good ones on, you know, making a cheap computer. Okay, you know what? I give up on that. So why don't we just use search? Because the year is 2025. Minus tech tips, cheap PC build. There we go. Okay, here's a $500 gaming PC. Oh a $69 gaming PC from

two months ago. Hey that looks pretty good. We could try, yeah I wouldn't build the lowest rated PC, but the ultimate $500 gaming PC from four months ago that looks pretty solid pretty solid Oh, you could pick a good budget gaming CPU that no one ever told you about from a month ago Lots of really good resources here What about the repairing the perfect PC? No, I wouldn't recommend that the perfect PC at every price though. Hey, there's a good one Yeah price though, hey, there's a good one. Yeah. Heck yeah. I would say of these, I want to go ultimate $500 gaming PC and then maybe you could make a couple a couple clever upgrades. You could have a look at perfect PC at every price and

then the $500 gaming PC's kind of somewhere in between there. Hey, WAN.DLO downsizing from three gaming PCs to just one with Sunshine slash Moonlight. What are your thoughts on the current state of self-hosted game streaming? Super cool. If we do a tech house, which is kind of in conversation, I don't think I would run fiber optic display port and fiber USB everywhere I think I would just go sunshine moonlight run cat 6a everywhere and just Frickin have one gaming PC and then like I want to try that thin clients man So cool, I talked to you about my issues with sunshine moonlight

No, I meant to talk about this on WAN show But I I think I just completely forgot and it's it's been a few weeks now so I'm gonna try to make sure I get all this accurate but I was trying to set that up at home. I bought a new controller because Linus wouldn't stop harassing me. It never worked and you stole so many of our gaming sessions so I got a new controller and It comes with a little charging Dock thingy a charging doesn't come with it, but it was like really cheap right so it has a cheap charging dock Yes, yeah, and that has a dongle in it. Which is nice. Okay. It's a dongle

Good wireless connectivity, cool. I don't have to have it be wired anymore. Wow. Neat. This is compelling. So wait, you say this controller, you say this controller can charge. I can explain why that matters.

It can charge on a dock and it's wireless. I can explain why it matters. But does it wirelessly charge? You know, maybe they'll come out technically yeah, yeah really with no wires. Yep Sans wires even Where are you going with this? Okay, my my my reason for that is I don't have the Bluetooth Things for my computer. He doesn't have the Bluetooth things. I have one idea where I could buy the Bluetooth or Wi-Fi antenna to the computer. Or I could buy the base, the dock charging thing. I tried to put my arm up there, it's too high.

So I decided to go with that one. Oh, what a story. Riveting tale, tap. And now I'm able to use the controller wirelessly I can play games with my TV which is cool So I want to do that without running a super long HDMI cable, so I was trying to set up This set up to install which one is it? Is it sunshine on the TV mm-hmm? I? Can't remember to install whichever one has to go on the TV. It turned out that I needed a

App on the TV which is like developer mode or whatever and in order to install that app you have to have an Developer account. Oh You have an LG TV nice, yes, nice to so I set up an account and It was like acting a little bit weird when I was setting the account up So I immediately signed out went to go sign back in

So I was like, I don't trust that if I remember correctly, there's only one password field It doesn't get you to verify your password And there was some other stuff those that just acting oddly. And it refused my login. So I'm like, okay, well, forgot password. I'll just reset my password and fix it. Go to enter my password again. You can't use the same password twice. Nice. Like, hmm, okay. I've done it before where I've type out a password the same way twice and then not been

able to figure it out. But it wasn't that. Except I was copy pasting. Oh, okay, so... But anyways, so I make a new one, reset the password, all good. I'm logged in, it's all cool. I log out, I go to log back in again, doesn't work. Forgot password, reset password, can't use the same password. Bro, what the heck?

Because I have to make the account on my computer or my phone and then I have to log in on the TV. So I have to log in again. I can't this whole like you can only log in. One thing will not work for me. I have to log in again. So I'm like, OK, OK. So I make a new account like maybe that accounts just screwed up. Exact same problem. OK, OK, OK.

Well, I'm realizing I'm on the American site anyways, and my TV actually cares and it has to be the Canadian site, so let me do that. So I'll make an account on the Canadian site. Oh, well, you can't use the same email on both for some reason. But sure, why not? So I have a lot of emails, that's fine. I'll use another another email I'll make another account here I get signed in no problem sign out sign back in doesn't work reset password can't use the same password it's the same problem I can't I can't log in I can't I cannot log into this account no matter what I do I don't know why it won't work I email their support and they send me a link.

I detail everything. I detail everything that I did, all the different accounts, the different regions, everything. I get a response back that is not, I promise you, it is not a generic auto reply. It took like two days to get the response. It's clearly someone typed it out. They just linked me the forgot your password link. Nothing else. And when I got that email, I was just like, all right, whatever. I'm just going to like come back to this in a couple of weeks and whatever bug they probably have will hopefully be resolved. Is there not a Steam link app for webOS? I haven't tried. I don't think there was. I think I checked and I don't think there was. Funny hat says I've lost the plot what's going on now? User error. No, I'm just

fucking you. I'm just fucking you. Chunk-getting password on sign up. Yeah it's it might be something like that too. I don't know. There's something weird. I ran into a problem recently. I don't want to say what organization it was, but I think I took a picture of it or I took a screenshot or something. Well, that's gonna make it pretty obvious. One of the, well, I'm not gonna show it,

but I want to go look at what the actual rules were. One of the probably worst rules for passwords I've like ever seen. Yeah, so it has to have an uppercase letter, it has to have a lowercase letter, it has to have a number, it has to have a symbol, it has to have at least eight characters, but it cannot be more than 15 characters. But why? So it has to be between eight and 15 characters. But why? So it has to be between 8 and 15 characters. They have to save all those bits on their storage server for the... So there's like a very small range of character counts

that the password could even be and then there's like all these I don't know just way to way to make your thing less secure. My goodness. That's hilarious. Um, okay. Well, someone get Luke a password manager. I have one. What are you even talking about? What does that have to do with what I'm doing?

Whatever. Anyways. Oh, geez. Dan. Hello, Diola. I've been curious about the Silicon lottery and how some CPUs on the same batch can be better than others. What exactly is better?

Like how do the last better ones even work? So there's a ton of redundancy when you manufacture high complexity silicon products. More than you would probably imagine is wasted to having a backup plan in case there is a small imperfection. So that's part of it, is you can have one that is higher quality in certain spots. So for instance, like back when Nvidia had those GPUs in the 465, 470 days, where some of the 465s could be unlocked to have additional functional units,

that means that they didn't have so many defects in some of those, I forget if they were called SMs back then, but whatever, in some of those functional units such that they had to be shut off. So part of it is you can just have parts of the CPU that have so many problems with, or GPU or whatever it is, that have so many problems with them

that they can't turn on that part of it. You can also have ones that have more parts of them that can be turned on versus ones that can have fewer parts. That's why you'll get AMD's tri-cores back in the day. Those were all quad-core CPUs, but like one of the cores was in many cases dead or in many cases actually not dead and you could unlock them to quad-core processors. Okay, so then the other part is more to do with the overall quality of it.

And that's where everything might work, but it might not be within the target power envelope or thermal envelope for that particular part. So they might have to turn off some cores or turn off some cache for that reason. Probably wouldn't affect cache so much, but cores for sure. You might have to turn off some cores in order to make this one fit into the power envelope for a Core i5 into 14th Gen or whatever the case may be. So basically what it comes down to is that it's pretty much black magic at this point. How they manage to make anything as small as it is. There are a ton of defects in them, both small defects in terms of like, oh yeah, this gap is like this many like freaking

angstroms larger or smaller than it's supposed to be. And you know, that could affect the power performance character, the switching speeds of it, you know, whatever else, you can have defects like that. You can have defects that are caused by contamination. So they build in a ton of redundancy and they also use binning as they're sorting all of these dyes to turn them into different products at different tiers based on what they know during the pre-production process and the design process is going to be their defect rate. So Silicon Lottery basically just means that, you know, both of these chips might, you know, pass the minimum bar of how many cores need to be active and what kind of power and thermal

characteristics it's supposed to have. But one was like slightly more better. And that's great. And one of them wasn't. And you either get a better one or you don't. And there's absolutely no way of knowing because Intel or AMD or Nvidia, they don't want to go into things with that degree of granularity because then their product stack becomes an absolute cluster bomb. And last one I've got for you today. Hello LD. Just wondering, will the cargo shorts come back sometime in the future? I love mine, just wish I had gotten more. Oh, Alon actually has a really, really cool way of explaining the small defects, like differences in gaps and stuff. Remember, folks, computers are actually analog machines that operate on digital logic. So small defects can change the analog characteristics without affecting the binary logic up to a point.

If you crank up the analog, the Boolean logic breaks down. So analog meaning like voltage, current, temperatures, things that are inherently analog. Yeah, that's a really good way of explaining that. Okay, cargo shorts. I don't know. Hold on, let me see. Oh, that wouldn't be a new product introduction anyway, so it wouldn't be idea I'm sorry maybe I think so if they do they do not this year yeah not this year and that's it we'll see you again next week guys. Same bad time, same bad channel. I'll see you soon, I guess.

Oh yeah. Bye. See you very soon. Thanks for watching!