The WAN Show - What Happened This Week? - WAN Show November 10, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 What is up everyone? Welcome to the WAN show! Oh sorry, I should be quiet. Luke's not feeling well. Yeah, so you have to whisper around me. Intel's branding got even dumber. It's sort of amazing. We'll be talking about that. It's been a heck of a week in AI. We're going to be talking about that as well. Luke's going to get all caught up because he has spent the week sleeping. What else are we going to talk about today,ke the escapist well they all escaped they're gone yes i don't know all the details behind it but i know that it happened uh also i don't know bored ape people they're they're all blind now that's not true but that's not actually true but there was a pretty um um, it's like UV,

Starting point is 00:00:50 like some crazy level of UV lights were used at a event and it like gave some people some temporary eye issues or something. Yeah. NFTs. They're the future. So funny. I want to jump right into Intel's branding getting dumber than ever. How's that even possible? I know, right? First of all, I mean, okay, let's go way back.

Starting point is 00:01:25 Remember when they launched Core 2 Duo? Yeah. Okay. What was up with that? You had to say, I bought a Core 2 Duo dual core. If you wanted to describe the processor you got, like the whole thing, the whole branding of core. I bought a two two two two

Starting point is 00:01:46 especially in the context of how recognizable their pentium brand was at the time how strong that brand was at the time it just made no sense okay then the brand had weakened a little bit but i i i never felt any of this was really necessary and i don't it was really strong i don't think just about anything could have been dumber than core core two and then instead of core three we get second gen court the f**k are you talking about like the whole thing anyway we we've all kind of accepted it now right so right? So you got your i7 and your i5 and your i3 that eventually added i9s, which were rumored at the very beginning. It was supposed to be, this is my understanding,

Starting point is 00:02:35 it was supposed to be that on the consumer side of things, you had your Core i3, which was your very basic low-end, but then also you had Pentiums down there for some reason. I don't know, whatever. And then Celeron still exists. Do you really need six tiers? Okay, it doesn't matter. The point is you had your Core i3, that's your low end.

Starting point is 00:02:49 You had your Core i5, that's your mainstream gamer. You had your Core i7, that's your like premium enthusiast gamer, overclocker, whatever else. And then that was on the consumer side. Then you had high-end desktop. And it was, as far as I knew, supposed to be that those were Core i9s. I'm talking way back. I'm talking way back, I'm talking like 12, 13 years ago or whenever this was,

Starting point is 00:03:08 and then they just didn't. They were just all Core i7s, and the whole thing made no sense because you had this product stratification that was like basic mid-tier, high-end consumer, and then like workstation slash enthusiast gamer whatever what and they were so much more expensive so you could have two different core i7s from the same generation and one of them's quad core and one of them has like 10 cores in it or whatever

Starting point is 00:03:39 yeah it was wacky and then so and then instead of core 3, Core 4, Core 5, we went with second gen Core, third generation Core, fourth generation Core, and then so on and so forth. So anyway, they've done away with this i3, i5, i7 thing, supposedly for the upcoming Meteor Lake refresh generation. upcoming Meteor Lake refresh generation and instead what we're getting is Core Ultra 5, Core Ultra 9, Core Ultra 7, which is like

Starting point is 00:04:14 honestly kind of better than the whole i thing in my opinion, but here's where things get really stupid. These are going to be first gen Core or first gen core ultra what so what would have been called a 14th gen intel core i9 14900k or so not not would have been called this that that's previous naming scheme

Starting point is 00:04:42 new naming scheme is intel first gen core ultra 9 185 h what a name it's so long is is it a competition at this point in the industry to make your products as unsearchable and undecipherable as possible. We already have a first gen core. It was stupid the first time. We don't need another one. Anyway. Also, like if you're going to say first gen,

Starting point is 00:05:20 like they said, like the old naming scheme even. This is weird. Like 14th gen Intel Core. You don't have to put 14 anymore. Really? If you put 14th at the beginning. You know what I think it is? It's because they're going to shorten the product names.

Starting point is 00:05:34 But if that's going to happen, then just don't make it long in the first place. I think Intel just has a really high sensitivity around the number 14. I think that's a traumatic number for them. Why? Because they were stuck on 14 nanometer for like a zillion years and it cost them their business with apple yep so that's what i that's what i actually think this is about because this is this is too dumb to be a rational decision this is obviously an emotional decision we refuse to do it again uh current benchmarks are not great for um 14th Gen Meteor Lake, but that doesn't necessarily tell us anything that...

Starting point is 00:06:09 Wait a minute. Current benchmarks are poor. Did I say 14th Gen Meteor? No. Okay. No. Sorry. Not 14th Gen. Whatever it is. Core, Ultra, who cares? Meteor Lake. Current benchmarks are apparently poor, but these could be very early samples. They're not optimized for the particular benchmark that was running. This is a leak. Um, and in other news, Intel has discontinued their cryo cooling technology after four generations with 13th gen Raptor Lake chips being the last ones supported.

Starting point is 00:06:38 Can we, can we pour one out? Can we pour one out here for for for intel's cryo cooling technology there it's just well i don't know i don't have a glass so i this is my only this is my only fluid vessel right now the point is what about yourself do you do are you familiar with intel with intel cryo cryo cooling uh not really okay but i am a fluid vessel super cool i think the neatest thing about intel's cryo cooling initiative is that a company as corporate and boring as intel ever got to get a project like this out of the test lab basically what it was was a peltier assisted water cooling setup that had a whole software component

Starting point is 00:07:25 that monitored the temperatures both of the CPU and also the surrounding area so that it could chill the CPU as cold as it could go without crossing over the dew point threshold and causing condensation. That sounds sick. So cool. Would have been absolutely amazing on AMD where the chip power consumption wasn't

Starting point is 00:07:48 so high that it overwhelmed the tech the sorry when i say tech i don't mean the technology the thermoelectric cooling uh peltier effect module so the way that uh the way that a peltier works in this context or okay first let's start with howeltier works, if you're not familiar with them. Basically, you power them, and then through some kind of wizardry, I forget, it's the kind of thing that at some point I knew, but I have to look it up every time I make a video about it, because I forget, because believe it or not, I can't remember everything. So the point is, it's a powered module, you feed it DC power, and then you have a cold side and a hot side and the hot side would go to a water cooling system to that pumps fluid through a block and then over to a radiator and then the cold side would sit right onto the cpu integrated heat spreader pulling that heat

Starting point is 00:08:41 and then getting rid of it on the hot side. Here's the problem, though. Peltier will typically draw anywhere from, I mean, if you were to try to cool a modern CPU with it, anywhere from 150 to, I mean, you'd have to be in excess of 300, 400 watts in some cases. And I don't even think Peltierier modules the size of the cpu even go that high i think they max out in the 250 range so that's problem number one is that we're somewhat limited by the size of these peltier modules problem number two is that when i talk about them being rated for 150 watts or 250 watts or whatever that is the power they are sucking so if you are running that peltier at full tilt if it is actually powerful enough to cool like a high-end gaming processor today you are adding like hundreds of watts to your cpu or to your cpu to your system power draw um oh yeah

Starting point is 00:09:43 and it gets even better remember how i said that we've got that water cooling loop with the radiator to to dissipate the heat from the cpu well what happens to all the heat that's generated on the hot side of that peltier from the peltier effect well you got to dissipate that too so peltiers are the kind of thing that have been done time and time again in the enthusiast space. So this was like in standard Intel fashion. Other brands made

Starting point is 00:10:14 it, but their tech was on it. Yeah. And it was their software that ran it. Yeah. Yeah. Super, super cool. So they're abandoning the software too? So they're abandoning the whole shebang. Here we go here we go so going all the way back to 2000 uh oh wow that's a very that's a very early swift tech oh boy water block i love it uh this is not a peltier one shoot i was trying to find they had an old

Starting point is 00:10:43 block from way back in the day i i have a blown apart picture on my screen right now that shows the here it is mcw 6500-t for tech peltier assisted water block this is so cool you can tell swift tech had gl blown up a little bit by that point. Yeah. 226 watts. Dang. Dang. So this has been tried many times over the years. I forget.

Starting point is 00:11:18 Someone did a Peltier-assisted CPU heatsink. While you look that up, I'm going to show my screen because I actually like this little model that they did. I realize our camera is going to be covering it, but you can see this white panel in here that would be the tech or the peltier if you're wire running out of it so it's like it's a little layer it's a it's a fairly small like they're actually very yeah small but they they can pack a punch if you're willing to power them i'm trying to find i'm trying to find the awful heat sink that basically as far as i can tell didn't really make it out of sort of first initial small production run um yeah i just i i

Starting point is 00:11:56 can't find this one right now maybe maybe someone can link it to me in the chat the point is it's been tried a lot of times and every time we come up against the same barriers which is finding pellets that are performant enough to remove the heat from modern processors which just run so so hot um oh also that that pellet effect takes place over the entire uh thermoelectric cooling module uh module so if you have a super super hot spot like on intel cpu and then mostly less heat around the outsides you're going to need a spreader in between which adds some inefficiency um like in addition to the actual cpu's spreader so you have to spread it out so you can actually make use of that whole surface area and the higher the wattage

Starting point is 00:12:41 typically the larger the peltier module so you've got these you've got these size limitations you've got these performance limitations and then you've got these how do i remove all of this bloody heat limitations like if you actually had a 400 watt peltier that could actually cool a turbo wing modern like 14th core 13 like, 900 KS or something like that. When it's running an all core load, you would be crapping out 800 Watts of heat into your room, literally double. And that assumes perfect efficiency. Well, no, it doesn't because any inefficiency loses heat. The point is you would be, you would be just cooking yourself, uh, or paying more for, paying more for air conditioning or whatever else

Starting point is 00:13:27 to cool down your stupid furnace of a computer. However, what I liked about this, and I genuinely did like this product, even if I would never use it, was that it was cool. They had these boots that sat over the blocks that they worked with their partners on to keep condensation off of them,

Starting point is 00:13:49 these foam insulated back plates and stuff. And what they could do well, even with these modern chips generating so much heat that they would overwhelm the Peltier. Oh yeah, that's a big thing. If you don't spec it high enough, it actually turns into an insulator because it's not metal yeah right so if it's not actively moving the heat then it isn't

Starting point is 00:14:13 moving the heat and the heat is staying where it is that makes sense that's a big problem right um so there there was some practical use for them. If you knew that you were never going to apply an all core load to your computer, like literally never within the range of the Peltier's effective sort of with, within the Peltier's effective cooling range, you could achieve very low temperatures and you could achieve slightly better overclocks on, you know, the one or two cores or even four cores that you might need for gaming. It's just that I think the timing is just bad.

Starting point is 00:14:54 Intel's chips have been functionally not overclockable, at least at the high end where people might consider buying a, you know, $600 water cooling setup or whatever else it is. Yeah. They've been not overclockable for so long they've been so power hungry for so long that it's just right products maybe completely wrong timing and unfortunately it's going away now and i'm just i'm a i'm a little i'm a little sad because it's the kind of thing that as a as an enthusiast i just

Starting point is 00:15:23 i kind of love because it's just really cool what i just power this thing and then it just moves the heat from one spot to another we and there are times when it makes sense okay luke and i were complete comparing our our eight sleep um sleep tracking before the show the cooling and heating module for the two sides of the bed uses a peltier yeah and the reason it does is because if it used phase change then it would be really loud it would need a compressor a peltier doesn't need a compressor just silent dc current is all it needs to heat or chill something that oh that's so cool uh my my water cooled chair project that we did a while back that also uses a peltier with an air heat sink on it so if you're not if you're trying to cool a human body which is about 100 watts right or just like

Starting point is 00:16:11 part of a human body it's pretty reasonable yeah but as soon as you're trying to cool a computer or something like that it just it just doesn't it doesn't make any sense um an issue so i'm sad i'm sad uh what do you want to talk about next you missed everything this week do you want to jump straight into this week in ai sure you okay yeah sure let's talk about the escapist employees escaping can you yeah can you read the article is your brain fast enough we'll see he was talking about this before the show he was like uh i got some brain lag my uh um what we had a few of those moments um the escapist has seen mass resignations following the firing of editor uh editor-in-chief nick calandra hopefully i said that right among others resignees include

Starting point is 00:17:00 most of the escapist video team including game reviewer ben yahtzee croshaw the primary creator behind zero punctuation which is a series that at least on and off i believe we've both been watching for an extremely long time yeah like over 10 years oh launched in 2008 yeah i've been probably watching it since around then that's wild yeah uh yahtzee's contributions were by far the most popular content on the site uh to the point that many commenters have speculated that the escapist may not survive this loss i don't see how they could honestly when i heard that yahtzee was gone i assumed escapist was just literally done automatically i haven't seen any of their other content perform particularly well then again i

Starting point is 00:17:45 only pay attention to the video side of things like i don't really um every once in a while an escapist article will end up in my google news feed or whatever else but i don't i didn't know that the escapist had written articles for like many years i don't end up there as a destination um the only thing i ever really cared about from them was zero punctuation so good luck with that yeah yeah i'm i'm looking at their video library and zero punctuation punctuation spikes up outperformed everything else by like an order of magnitude basically to the point where if i was them and if i was advising them on their video strategy i would just stop publishing a lot of this other stuff i wouldn't even bother well they should have done

Starting point is 00:18:27 that a long time ago probably but anyways um yahtzee calandra and other members of the former video team have started a new channel called second wind which already has over 130 000 subscribers they will be hosting short form reviews under the title fully ramblamatic oh that's his old uh that's like his old name for something oh i didn't actually know that i think he had like a blog or something called fully because they are saying that apparently zero punctuation branding still is owned and belongs to the escapist which makes sense so using something that he used to have would line up uh the current owners of the escapist gamers group g-a-m-u-r-s um acquired the site alongside several other popular online gaming outlets last

Starting point is 00:19:13 year they received negative media uh attention earlier this year when they fired around 40 percent of their staff then attempted to replace said staff, the writing team, with a single AI copy editor handling 250 articles a week, which I believe we even talked about on this show and went very poorly. According to Calandra, he was fired by gamers for not achieving goals that demonstrated a poor that I think this is trying to say that that he believes demonstrated a poor that uh i i think this is trying to say that that he believes uh demonstrated a poor understanding of the escapist audience sheesh um yeah try to imagine if we lost like our our top performing host and most of our other staff, what would be left here as a,

Starting point is 00:20:07 as a, as a media organization? Like imagining first, I just, I don't know how to wrap my brain around organizations like a gamers group here. I hate the name by the way. By, gamers group.

Starting point is 00:20:24 And they just spelt it gm urs like well okay i mean yeah they've done a lot more than just the name to make us think that they're idiots but fair enough can somebody please explain this to me like i i understand the strategy in some cases okay like i one one of my friends is a vet who runs a practice. She's great. And she was talking to me about how there is either one or two like veterinary conglomerates, like animal hospital groups that are going around buying up all of the independent veterinarian clinics.

Starting point is 00:21:06 And the reason that they're doing it is because they're playing an extremely long game here, where the goal is complete consolidation so that they can control pricing across all animal hospitals in a given region. And it makes sense that they would pay sometimes double what a business valuation advisor might come in and tell you your practice is worth because they're playing a long game here. So if they don't get a complete return on that investment for 10 years, rather than five, which might be a more normal target,

Starting point is 00:21:43 then they're comfortable with that because they've got plenty of cash coming in from everything that they've acquired already over the years. They've got investment, and there's a clear path to not just profitability, but market control. What could possibly make you think that that playbook would work with game review websites?

Starting point is 00:22:08 So yeah, these veterinary acquisition people, yeah, they'll go in and they'll lay off staff and they'll cut equipment budgets or whatever else. The quality of care might fall. But at the end of the day, these are physical locations. What are people going to do just click a few buttons on their keyboard and navigate to a different competitor no it's not always that simple there is a value to the branding there's a value to the location especially when like i i don't think like if you i don't know i can't speak for them. But if you want more zero punctuation, it's not like Yahtzee's gone.

Starting point is 00:22:47 As far as I can tell, the team's effectively staying together and going, hey, you want more of that stuff? We're going to make it. We're just going to have a different name. So like, I don't know. What can you possibly be thinking? Acquiring something like this, thinking, oh yeah, you know what would be a good idea taking this

Starting point is 00:23:07 thing that we bought that is obviously working to a degree that we thought it was a good idea to buy it completely breaking it so that it is not functional at all and then profit? I don't understand it. Can somebody help me understand what the thought process could possibly be here? Yeah, I don't know. And like, if it was a bet on AI, I feel like they should have, you know, vetted that a little bit more first.

Starting point is 00:23:40 If it's a bet on AI, then just have your AI crap out 300 gaming review websites and start publishing garbage ai articles and try and gain some momentum that way honestly though like that's not even me no that i mean that's a strategy people have literally done already so like it's not it's not it makes sense get good at that and then you know buy a recognized name or something like that. Don't just walk in. We're already seeing that with, we've talked about this on WAN Show before, but the whole

Starting point is 00:24:11 Reddit search term thing, searching on Google, but appending Reddit to the end of it because you're hoping to get Reddit results instead of these like trash, random, like SEO optimized suggestion sites. uh like seo optimized suggestion sites and then those seo optimized suggestion people are just making reddit posts and trying to get those reddit posts to the top of those searches as well which is rough um so like that that type of stuff is already happening with all of that said with all of that said i it is pretty clear to me that if the escapist employed more than like two or three people um they were probably in serious trouble in terms of the sustainability of that business so you know if the current ownership thought that, you know, a change in leadership was needed in

Starting point is 00:25:06 order to make the business more sustainable, then, you know, I guess they made the move that they thought was best. But what they perhaps didn't anticipate was the level of loyalty that the staff would have to the former editor in chief. And when I say sustainable, that the staff would have to the former editor-in-chief and when i say sustainable i'll run you guys through some some basic numbers here so here you can pull up these stats for any youtube channel on this great site called social blade uh used to be better they used to a lot better yeah they used to log more than just two years of monthly viewership and youtube was like no the subscriber counts used to be super granular and then youtube threatened to cut off their api access if they didn't comply and so now the site's not as good so um i don't know go yourself youtube but whatever the point is that um in the last four months you know what let's say

Starting point is 00:25:59 the last quarter in the last three months they averaged six and a half million views a month so what what does that work out to let's pull out ye old calculatrice here what just happened to my oh there it is man it was hiding it's camouflaged look at that it's like whoa you'll never see me here linus okay so let's let's pull out the old calcul. We'll replace the least important thing on my screen with it. That works out to probably about, I would say a rough guideline is about $1,000 for every half a million views. So if we were to say 6.5 million So if we were to say 6.5 million divided by 0.5 equals times $1,000.

Starting point is 00:26:53 Now, hold on. That was times 10,000. One moment, please. Oh my gosh. How do I even undo? You know what? The point is $13,000. Okay.

Starting point is 00:27:06 One, two, three. There we go. We got $13 thirteen thousand dollars which sounds like a lot of money in a month i'm sure on that first i'm sure lots of people would well no no no no not necessarily we'll get to that i'm sure lots of people would love to make thirteen thousand dollars a month the problem is that that's thirteen thousand dollars a month at all yeah that's um pretty rough when you consider that yeah you might have maybe more than one person to pay now the parent company is going to want to make money there now obviously uh you're going to have you know equipment and business operating expenses and all that kind of stuff i will also point out that yeah they they have their own website they do i was getting to that and they have a patreon yes so uh what what's the patreon that has well okay it's gonna be hard to oh no we can use patreon stats is

Starting point is 00:27:55 slightly obfuscated oh is it um because it doesn't tell you how many people per tier and they have a ton of tiers they have a lot of tears they have got a lot of tears right now mail they have uh god tier mailbag community's choice credit sponsor free and bonus content early access and tip jar those are all different tiers they have on patreon okay paid members actually not bad they have a decent amount of paid members right now they're sitting at 1949 okay if you had to make a wild guess uh based on having absolutely nothing to do with this industry at all uh what would you say is probably a pretty typical monthly contribution uh well okay the

Starting point is 00:28:44 the problem with that so they're they're it says their most popular tier is their three dollar tier okay so let's be optimistic and let's say five dollars yeah i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it's more than that they do have a tier that's lower than that but the thing that you the stuff that you get on that tier is not that crazy so okay so i suspect it's going to be close to four let's say they're making another 10 grand a month okay i don't know if they do in-video sponsorships but i'm gonna say maybe they do i've never seen one on a zero punctuation video but who knows i'm gonna say they do in-video sponsorships and i'm gonna take a totally ignorant stab at this and i'm gonna say uh they can probably double their ad sense with that so we're up to the point where oh okay hold on we're looking

Starting point is 00:29:24 at some pretty respectable revenue let's say they can do let's say they can triple their patreon number crazy it helps to have external funding uh other creators if you want to join flowplane by the way with their ads on their website okay so let's put these two together and let's say they can do about about $55,000 a month in revenue. Yeah. Okay. Oh, my goodness. Okay. Let's say they can do $55,000 a month in revenue.

Starting point is 00:29:55 Again, that sounds like a lot, especially when we multiply it by 12 and we look for the year. You know, wow, that's like well over half a million dollars. That's a freaking ton of money. You could actually pay a team of people out of that the problem is that as far as i can tell the escapist team was a lot more than you know five or six people um yeah and like that patreon isn't just the video team right they they release a lot of articles looking at their website like literally just for november 10th which is uh today yesterday something today november 10th there's one two three four five six seven seven different

Starting point is 00:30:38 articles released today um and we did mention like, they have this external website. This is an area where I have very little experience and has always confused me. So I'm just putting that out there first. Sure. But basically none of these have any comments, which is weird. Can I go to your screen? Yep. So this is the Escapist Magazine's website.

Starting point is 00:31:06 First one, this A24 Darren, whatever elon musk biopic zero comments maybe pick one from before the uh before the whole thing stardew valley has two comments um because this is like all from the last two days still how do i even view more on just the articles i don't know um news there was view more for podcasts there we go wow um yeah they published why would it go one two three one thousand that seems like quite the jump i mean these are all zeros oh here's a few yeah there's some comments on some of these i mean i mean one to three is like i think my point is still standing oh yeah your point is very valid i don't know how much traction there is on these articles um maybe there's a bit but i i do know that yes they have quite a few of them um but

Starting point is 00:31:57 web page ads don't bring in a ton of money so here's the problem um i obviously don't see the point of buying something and then proceeding to trash it um however this is a great name however however it is also possible that the escapist was simply a completely unsustainable machine the way that it was running and was only managing to pay salaries based on, you know, VC money or something like that, which was ultimately why the previous ownership seeked an exit. It might make, it might just mean that this move makes even more sense for the video team because they were clearly able to release some bangers for a lot of years. Like zero punctuation hasn't just been like successful. It's been prolific. The problem is that it doesn't have the same momentum that it used to. And I don't i i couldn't

Starting point is 00:33:05 really answer why that's fair enough but it still does like video gaming content in general i would actually argue doesn't have the momentum that it used to like oh i would like to hear this argument more i think in years past i'd wager honestly probably around like 2013 14 maybe gaming content on youtube was actually really big and i don't just mean let's plays and stuff are you is it possible you i was more into it it is possible uh but i i think so because like game ranks is the biggest one that i know of right now um and and to be very clear I think game ranks is fantastic. But for like the biggest of a segment, and maybe I'm just wrong,

Starting point is 00:33:51 and maybe we should just like social blade the category and see if I'm wrong. Yeah, game ranks, going through their average views of the last little bit, they do have some stuff that hits really well. Like they did 10 game stuff that hits really well like they did 10 10 game features that are evolving backwards that did 780 000 views really nice so when you say gaming content you specifically don't mean let's play or twitch streamers who are reacting to stuff or whatever

Starting point is 00:34:18 okay i see news like like my favorite thing that game ranks does is called before you buy got it so it's like a relatively early on review so you're talking like video journalism yes okay yeah video game journalism was like pretty pop in a while ago right um well i mean you know what happened right there's no money yeah how are you supposed it's not it's not sustainable sponsors for some reason aren't a huge fan of gaming content well i can think of a lot of reasons why that would be the the purchase intent is really make that noise right now the purchase intent is relatively low yeah the audience skews relatively young they're also extremely volatile yep um it's it's a really um don't take this the wrong way gamers it's a pretty toxic culture oh absolutely overall like i think if we're honest with the the the the the brand association with you know a lot of video gaming content and a lot of

Starting point is 00:35:30 video gaming communities is not necessarily the gonna be super attractive to your big brands you brands um oh no are people hating me now no suba and phil playing chat it's just like we know cool breaking news linus says games are a fickle market yeah okay right okay and i i'd say that it's fair to say that there's very low loyalty. Oh, yeah. And so it's really tough. Oh, also, this is another really challenging thing is in order to break out in gaming, you have to, I don't even know. If someone said, look, I want to break out in gaming content, how do I do it? do it you know as as someone who has experience building a a six i would say pretty successful youtube business online video business the first thing i would tell you is i have no idea

Starting point is 00:36:34 i i wouldn't even know where to begin to break out in in youtube um in in gaming on youtube so there's there's there's a few channels um like ahoy i don't actually know how to pronounce it ahoy ahoy i don't know a-h-o-y um and and there's i think there's one called arch as well uh and there's a there's a few others that have like a, a kind of particular, like history, interesting documentary kind of take on, on gaming content that I, I find like super, super interesting. Um, and they do really well. And like this, this Ahoy that that i just mentioned their biggest problem is their

Starting point is 00:37:25 their content release schedule is like actually insane like if you look at their last eight videos um the last one was three years ago but they are continually releasing content wow okay like i don't know like they've never stopped in that three years. They've actually been releasing content. If I, if I keep scrolling, yeah. Nine years, 10 years. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:51 They 11 years, they keep going back, but they have, they have all this really interesting stuff. Like the, what made me search them up was this video. It's just called big boxes. It has 760,000 views.

Starting point is 00:38:02 It's like a mini doc on boxes in games you know how like gaming boxes used to be huge and they got smaller and there was different like formats and it's like actually surprisingly very interesting wow okay it's like why like like ea brought like some standardization to boxes and like all this i don't know i watched it a while ago maybe up to three years ago remember when the battle chest was like in the shape of a chest yeah yeah like he talks about all this different type of stuff like why different things changed and like how it's like kind of sad that now there's like basically no box and the box serves no purpose because back in the day without the internet and all this kind of stuff you had your like your books and stuff in there and your

Starting point is 00:38:44 maps and they like actually mattered and yada yada yada so it's actually it's it's it's a surprisingly good even like he has a video on the the chicken-o-meter and like there was so much stuff about games and like the idea of the chicken-o-meter where this like uh the the quality of the picture of this chicken indicated how much health you had and how that turned into like different forms of modern health bars and all this kind of stuff is super interesting. Anyways. There it's but that's like, I mean, you look at the upload schedule. That's really hard content to make.

Starting point is 00:39:22 Yeah, it takes a crazy amount of research. And what's the whole, actually, that's another really good point is gaming is something that people are really passionate about. It's something that people would do in their free time, whether they were paid or not. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:38 And so anytime you work in an industry where somebody else would do it for free, that's what you're up against you're up against what someone else would do for free with money as no object right like that was that was a big challenge for us moving into the tech space is the is tech coverage i mean actually i think you're probably seeing this more now now that video production equipment has gotten so accessible and so affordable, is that there are tech channels springing up everywhere that make no sense from a financial standpoint. Like, you look at how many videos they upload, you look at their viewership, you can reverse calculate how much revenue they're making and how many hours it takes to do all this. And you're like, oh, okay, you're making less than minimum wage, right?

Starting point is 00:40:24 And that's not a bad thing. People should absolutely, you're making less than minimum wage, right? And that's not a bad thing. People should absolutely, you know, try to build something, right? Like they should do a side hustle or, you know, whatever, right? Like I'm not criticizing this. I'm just saying that whenever you work in an industry where people would do it out of sheer passion, you are going to be up against people

Starting point is 00:40:43 who are just doing stuff with no sort of thought to the financial sensibility of the approach that they're taking um so gaming is a space that really i think suffers from that if you're trying to put together uh like a content uh strategy with you know paid professionals who expect vacation time and you know regular working hours progression promotions exactly cost of living wage increases um is it on all right okay well that's bad cool um trying to run that up against just like some dude bros hanging out in their basement like running a gaming podcast playing video games and running a podcast or something in their free time doing it because i think it's entertaining it's it's it's really

Starting point is 00:41:38 it's really really tough um so you know i i team luck. Oh, you look at the most desirable career path in North America right now, which is YouTuber. You look at what, like, basically everyone likes doing, which is playing video games. And like, what is it? Every high school not going to have like their own aspirational gaming YouTubers. Yeah. It's going to be everywhere that like when i worked at best buy back in the day my like group of friends at best buy tried to start a gaming news website

Starting point is 00:42:13 yeah and so did oh i don't know everyone else like it was it was crazy a guy i knew at ncix did like some contract work for a friend of his who, I wonder if it's still around. I think it's called GameXplain. I was going to say, I even know what you're talking about, but I didn't remember the name. GameXplain. Here, let's see.

Starting point is 00:42:36 Let's see if, hey, look at that. GameXplain totally still exists and does little videos about stuff. We know who developed Super Mario RPG Remake, apparently. So there's that. Okay. Yeah. There you go. Game Explained. Tom. Tom from NCIX. When's the game coming out?

Starting point is 00:42:59 Oh, Super Mario RPG. You've never played it, right? No, no, no. Not that. Tom's game. Oh, I don't know when Carpoon is coming out. Yeah, one of my ex-colleagues from NCIS. These guys are pumping content.

Starting point is 00:43:13 Game Explain? Oh, yeah. Three videos a day. Carpoon! Chill, bro. We played this at Whaleland. It was actually really fun. Oh, nice. Yeah, developer. Tom Arnold. Love it. Really? This guy? chill bro uh we played this at whale land it was actually really fun oh nice yeah developer tom arnold yeah love it really this guy yep no just kidding not him different no that's him totally different tom arnold so basically you

Starting point is 00:43:36 um you harpoon you harpoon cars and you you tow them to the crusher uh there's multiplayer um you tow them to the crusher uh there's multiplayer um yeah it's you can do like time trials it's fun okay i just want to set this straight because at least one person in flow plane chat is is commenting about it uh we're not saying that people shouldn't aspirationally do things we're saying if you're trying to run one of these things as a as a company that it's a difficult spot to try to hold because of the amount of people coming for your throat because they want to do it. Yeah. Which is, which is fine. It just means you're in a highly competitive space and you're competing against people that are just in often cases, happy to not receive a salary because they want to do this out of just passion which again is fine it's fine it just means you have

Starting point is 00:44:26 to be really good because you need to be able to give your people career both growth promotions all this other type of stuff um and make enough money to survive and make enough money to go up against people who might not care about making any money and make enough money to be able to have a war chest just in case things go poorly all this other stuff but like run like a real company so people might see your content that has you know a whole bunch of let's say hypothetically that has more sponsorships in it than someone else's um and people might go well i'm not going to watch that it's got sponsorships all over i'm going to watch this other thing and it's like well right but they'll have them eventually yeah yeah when they when they need to take a break to you know shower and brush their teeth

Starting point is 00:45:09 once in a while and they're not in just like grind it startup mode right like it it's it's a natural evolution and so uh we did it right like i'm not i'm not saying you shouldn't try i think people are taking some of the wrong like like someone said competition breeds quality. Yeah. We're also not saying that competition is bad. Like just, we're not saying any of that stuff. Holy shit guys. Please get it together.

Starting point is 00:45:33 I said, I like hamburgers. I didn't say I hate hot dogs. Exactly. We're just saying it's very, it's a very competitive space to be in. That's all. Yes. Not saying it's bad bad all that kind of stuff clearly i i mean i've called out multiple creators already in the show they're all doing great um

Starting point is 00:45:51 yeah i don't know i just think to bring it all the way back around like if you're going to come in and buy one of these companies and then axe their editor-in-chief and then see an exodus of like all the talent maybe you should have done some due diligence yeah like that's not gonna work dude escapist is like super dead now um at least their video side but then the other side looks like that already yeah and and to be clear I don't know a lot about like externally evaluating performance of static news websites, but when I see the zero comments on most posts and like less than five on all the ones that do have comments, I get concerned. I saw someone ask like, Oh, but it doesn't create and making it, do you have to have an account to be able to comment? It's like, does that matter? Like if enough people are frequenting

Starting point is 00:46:43 this website, you'd think a handful of them would have accounts like i have seen sites news sites that require an account that have a bunch of comments on it like this is a thing people will do it um if it's not even worth botting the comments on your site like yikes i don't know you know what i do know site like yikes i don't know you know what i do know is what merch messages are hey it's time to explain how to uh how to support our you know awful what what were we what were we what made us bad people i forget because we don't think other people should do something whatever the point is you know our our awful probably some you know people who have vacation time and you know snacks in office and all the other you know things that we have that uh that you should hate us for um hey merch messages the way to interact with the show is not to send a super chat not to send a twitch bit or whatever

Starting point is 00:47:38 i don't know even how those work i still don't i do that like spiel every time i talk about merch messages and every time I think I should look that up maybe at some point I should look it up so that I don't just sound like you know I think you shouldn't an out of an out of touch boomer boom boom tuber game microtransactions that you buy bits and you give them out oh that's instead of giving money directly you just buy bits and give you should just use real currency so that you aren't obfuscating how much you're spending. Yeah. Oh, cool.

Starting point is 00:48:07 Well, Twitch bits are stupid then. Don't buy them. What you should do is buy merch messages, which you buy by just going to lttstore.com, finding something cool that you like, that you actually want,

Starting point is 00:48:16 so you're not just wasting your money by hucking it at the screen, throwing that in your cart, and then filling out a merch message. A little box will pop up when we're live, and it'll either go to Producer Dan. Well, it'll always go to Producer Dan.

Starting point is 00:48:27 And then he will either pop it down there or forward it to someone who can help you out or send it to us to address on the show. It'll be awesome. Oh, yeah, sometimes he also replies. He's about to say something. Go ahead, Dan. Hi.

Starting point is 00:48:41 Got him. Hi. Got him. The point is that when you check out, your message will come to us and we're going to sometimes read them. And Dan picked a few for us to read and he's going to go ahead and hit us with those. Sure. Let's start off with this one here. Hi, Linus. We have seen a bit more of your kids in the home videos. Curious as they get older, have they expressed any interest in joining the LTT team in any capacity,

Starting point is 00:49:10 be it a co-host or anything else? I mean, they're kids, right? So they'll, they'll talk about like inheriting mom and dad's company, not really like understanding what that means, you know, that we'd be dead and stuff like that,

Starting point is 00:49:22 you know, right? Like they're little kids. I, my eldest has, you know, asked, you know, that we'd be dead and stuff like that, you know, right? Like they're little kids. I, my eldest has, you know, asked, you know, oh, okay. So like, am I going to run the company at some point? And my answer has always been, I don't know, are you going to get good at it at some point? Right? Like, I don't really believe in nepotism. And just because you might be a primary shareholder someday doesn't necessarily mean that you have any business whatsoever interfering with the day to day operations.

Starting point is 00:49:50 I mean, I don't even know by the time I by the time I, you know, died, right? Would I have just aged out of this to the point where I were completely stepped back and would have no kind of business interfering in the day-to-day operations. And it's just a team that builds a sustainable model here that is separate from me. Like I don't know what an exit strategy looks like for me. If I wanted an exit strategy,

Starting point is 00:50:15 we had a big off for a while back. I would have just taken it. Yeah. We're also in, we don't know what it's going to look like. Like what the heck is this going to look like? It's only been 11 years. We want to ask you what it's going to look like.

Starting point is 00:50:30 You're talking about when you're dead. It's changed so much. Yeah, like, what the heck? I mean, Nintendo used to make playing cards. Yeah, like... If we have, you know, real legs, right? Like, if this company can build a culture and build processes and and and build a business model that is sustainable for the long

Starting point is 00:50:50 term like do we even make videos anymore in ten years there's some quote about five years about how we just make water bottles a lot of big companies they end up dying because they they do really well then they stagnate and they don't want to they don't want to they don't want to pursue change or evolution because uh what's been working has been working and then they end up just falling amongst their own weight um and there's there's a quote about that that's like if you're going to be cannibalized it's best to cannibalize yourself yeah it's a it's a the innovator's dilemma yeah um which it it's better for me to not try to summarize it because

Starting point is 00:51:26 i'm a little rusty on exactly the wording but basically uh the innovators dilemma is um sort of a business principle or guideline or um i don't know what the right word for it would be right now but it's it's a it's a challenge that you face where it's almost never the best, most sensible use of your investment resources to cannibalize your own business because it would cost so much of your existing business for so little gain that it could never be worth it. it could never be worth it. So you end up with smaller competitors who do chase that innovation and who scale past you in a way that is difficult for you to respond to because you didn't make

Starting point is 00:52:12 those early investments because you got comfortable just doing your regular thing. That's a terrible, terrible summary, but sort of fundamentally kind of what it is. Yeah, so essentially, if we're still doing the exact same thing we're doing now in 20 years like we messed up big time this is uh this is something uh while linus is a dick to his kids i hope they end up working for nvidia to spite him i hope

Starting point is 00:52:38 you're joking because for me to be nice to my kids by just like putting them in charge of this company would be being a complete dick to all the people who worked hard to build expertise and make their way. You don't have to learn anything. Grats. You graduated high school. I guess you're running the whole company. I'd just be like, all right, Linus went insane. I'm out. Right. Like, yeah, like that's, that's so stupid. yes i was joking okay cool sounds good the problem with that type of joking on the internet is like some people won't be yeah so you you like actually i know it sucks but like you actually have to be careful about certain comments like look no look no further than you know just some of the some of the dumb comments we've had to read lately.

Starting point is 00:53:25 Yeah. All right, Dan. No further than any form of political discourse on the internet at all. I'm amazed you have any brain power left. Yeah, I know. Can you please explain P and E cores on Intel? Not convinced they work as Plex's transcoder kept only using the efficiency cores or yeah is it uh up to the program or windows scheduler to properly manage when a p core is used my understanding is

Starting point is 00:53:53 that's down to cpu microcode and the windows scheduler i don't believe a program uh would decide what cores it would use. What you might want to do is, I forget what it's, shoot, I forget what it's called, but there's an application that you can use for manually altering processor affinity or setting core pinning. So you can pin processors to a particular core.

Starting point is 00:54:23 The core pinning windows. Can you just do it from within Windows? I haven't tried to do it in a very, very, very long time just because there were some cases where, oh man, at some point, I think you could manually set frequencies per core, but they weren't dynamic boosting yet. And so you could like set your game

Starting point is 00:54:48 to run on a particular, like the core that overclocks the best or whatever. Like, I don't know, at some point I cared about that. Yeah, I did a lot of that with a tool when I had a Threadripper. It was very critical. Pretty sure you've been able to do that in Task Manager for years.

Starting point is 00:55:00 Maybe Affinity, but not like individual core. Process Lasso. That's the one, yeah. Process Lasso, that's the one you want and yeah with thread ripper that could be very necessary not for gaming but just because uh you might end up with a situation where if you have a process that's running across two ccds you can end up with inter die communication really slowing it down compared to if you have the whole thing running on a single CCD. So there are reasons to do it. Process Lasso apparently is the way to do it.

Starting point is 00:55:30 Dan, do you want to hit us with one more before we move on? Process Lasso used to be a pretty big deal for certain games. Yeah, it did help with some games for me at least. I mean, God, I hate that CPU. Let's see what else we got there. Hi, wan.dll.

Starting point is 00:55:43 I'm a computer-assisted design instructor at a public university. What do you think about the fact that 80% of my students can't tell the difference between a zip file and a folder and don't know how to unzip? Eh. Yeah, I mean... Time moves on. Here's a question for you. Okay. Now, I know you're a CAD instructor.

Starting point is 00:56:08 And so if we were to specifically talk about a CAD course 20 years ago, probably everybody in it would know how to unzip a folder. But if we consider how much more broadly people use computers and how much more of a normie you might find in a CAD course, not because they are into computers, but because they are into design, is the percentage of the population that would understand the difference between a folder and a zip file and know how to unzip files any different today than it was then i would say probably it's higher today and i have nothing to back this up other than just that it's a much you're right though it's a much more normal thing for you to have possibly encountered like my mother has encountered a zip file in her life

Starting point is 00:57:06 at this point whereas back then i did like i don't i don't necessarily think she would have i just think like like you've talked on the show before about how typing speeds of some of the the young people these days yeah it's kind of slow um and uh gero ninja in full-blown chat said bring back computer literacy courses i think there's maybe a sweet spot there um if we're assuming that keyboards are keyboards that you use this way not keyboards on a phone um are gonna be a thing for the next while i do think we should probably teach people how to type because the amount of efficiency loss is like insane it's actually kind of mind-blowing to me like maybe i feel like this is one of those things where people are gonna just think that i'm a complete a**hole or something

Starting point is 00:57:55 because i can't help it i watch an employee working yeah. It drives me nuts like this. And I kind of go, I am actually, you are actually completing 20% as much work as someone who knows how to do this. Um, and yet you make the same. How does that make any sense? Like I i just i think it sort of depends on

Starting point is 00:58:28 what they do yeah i understand why it bothers you though should i just start doing like hunt and peck for merch messages anytime linus comes around to start typing that way just drive them nuts i don't know but i i think having some amount of that type of stuff still be in schools and whatnot makes sense doesn't it bother them to be going so slow and how could you how can you get anything done and to be clear we have people here who do a great job actually in spite of that because most of what they do at their computer isn't typing. Yeah. It's highly creative or whatever else. Or clicking on things. It's just that for me, like my, we can't help it, right?

Starting point is 00:59:11 Like we see the world through our own biases, through our own lens, right? And for me, the main work that I do at a computer is emails or writing. If I typed at that rate, the lights wouldn't be on in this building. This company wouldn't exist. It's not possible. Like it. I do also think there are people that do surprisingly technical things at the computer that type very infrequently though.

Starting point is 00:59:36 Um, yeah. So I agree with you. If I typed that slowly, similarly to you, a lot of my work is emails and stuff. If I typed that slowly, I'd be screwed.

Starting point is 00:59:44 Yeah. Like it wouldn't work. I could not do what I do at all. So I don't know. Yeah. Teaching stuff like typing, I think would still be good. Honestly, if, if I had a kid and they were in school and they had to learn like what zip files were, I would just think that's stupid.

Starting point is 01:00:02 Really? Most people, it's never going to matter. Interesting. Who cares? But it does matter. To who? And when? Why?

Starting point is 01:00:14 Look. How long does it take to learn? And how Google-able is that? I ran into this situation. This isn't a skill. You don't have to practice it. No, it matters. You can Google one time what the heck a zip file is what do i need to open this on one right

Starting point is 01:00:29 click extract just not allowed to talk i'm just lagging so i can't tell that you're yeah no why don't you just you know what why don't you just do the rest of the show no problem um okay i did run into a situation recently where it mattered to understand and having an understanding would help to troubleshoot a problem okay but you can't cover every single aspect of life that way so you have to pick and choose your battles and i don't think this is a battle to pick someone was trying to execute a setup file of some sort and it wouldn't it wouldn't run yeah because it was inside a compressed folder yeah i don't know if it was dot zip or dot raw i don't care it doesn't matter run because it was inside a compressed folder. I don't know if it was.zip or.rar. I don't care.

Starting point is 01:01:07 It doesn't matter. It was inside a compressed folder. And the reason it wouldn't run was because one of the dependencies was in the compressed folder and was not decompressed. Then, shortly afterward, I watched someone unzip a single file from a compressed folder so that they could execute it. And I told them, I was like, hey, you don't need to do that. If there's more than one file in the zip folder, you must decompress it first. Because it can't reference the other ones. Then execute it.

Starting point is 01:01:45 If there's only one, then you can just execute it and it will decompress and execute because all the dependencies are contained and they were like whoa and this is a pretty technical person they're a pretty technical person and it didn't matter to them up to that point that's an interesting point think about how much time very interesting think about how much time they could save in their life if every time they had to execute something from within a compressed folder they could have known they don't have to decompress it first they can just double click it yeah like a couple minutes that'd be sick all that time back that'd be dope yeah so i don't think we should teach those types of things in in schools anymore i think i think we should teach genuinely i think we should teach like how to look up information and avoid trash information on the internet that would be like

Starting point is 01:02:33 a really useful man thing you're basically asking for common sense class who would you find to teach it isn't that like supposed to be what that's what we had cap career and personal planning. Yeah. It's something similar. I don't remember what it's called. I'm not sure how it happened, but I'm pretty sure it's the easiest class. I think in my entire time at my high school,

Starting point is 01:02:54 I attended cap class like less than 10 times and not because I skipped class. Like we just never had it. I think ours was just called portfolio or something. I don't even know what that means. Yeah. Oh, like, like career, like career like like like your personal portfolio like you like actually made like a binder that was like a portfolio i think if someone came in for an interview they brought and brought one of those i would make this in my high school class yeah i um you know what? I'd look at it. I'd look at it. Would you be mean?

Starting point is 01:03:27 No, I'm not. Would you be a mean person? No, no. Would you go through and roast this person's effort? No. What if they got... Doesn't matter if it would be funny, Dan. That is not a nice thing to do.

Starting point is 01:03:43 When someone doesn't have real real world experience i want to dig up my high school portfolio and i i i guarantee you it's gone this is not a dig upable thing we should dig up your resume that's dig upable that's every once in a while i run into this it's so funny it's have we ever gone through it on the show i don't know i'm kind of curious i'm like having secondhand cringe over here are you sure about this luke i don't care okay yeah i'm sure it's funny have i ever like emailed it to you or something like that no i have it it's in my email oh no way i mailed it to you did you really yeah hold on let's see how do you think i sent it to you oh man a keyword like resume tech tips assistant application shut up you've got it okay well hold on hold okay uh send it

Starting point is 01:04:33 hi luke thanks for sending your resume no no no send it send it to the thing send it to the thing okay hold on potential for employment who is that Man, the keyword resume brings up a lot of stuff. Yeah. See, the thing that helps me is it's my personal email. Oh, got it. Yeah. So if I searched your name and resume, there's really only like one thing. Got it.

Starting point is 01:04:58 Yeah, I don't. Yeah. People are saying don't show on screen. Yeah. Don't show on screen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:04 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:04 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.. people are saying don't show on screen yeah don't show on screen yeah yeah yeah yeah um oh wait does it have like actual personal information i don't know it just might so it's like no got it got it got it and it would be from back then so it might be like my parents address and stuff sure sure so i just like yeah um okay so you're the other one okay i'm the other one well okay i'm trying to figure out what that's all i am to you the other one i've's all I am to you. The other one. I've done a full blank so it can't happen accidentally. Hey, nice. Good job, Dan. Boom.

Starting point is 01:05:32 I wasn't lying. Hold on, let me turn it off. Oh, no. Yeah, we're fine. Nice. Oh, my God. And in your email to me, it has the code of my original email which has a google drive link

Starting point is 01:05:47 in it no way unfortunately is it your portfolio no it's my are you sure yeah because it sounds like it could be it still works it's my it's my actual actual resume it's not the application okay so line is sent you'll see this in a second the application it has my wpm on it that's funny um that's actually lower than i could type that's weird i don't know why i put that um wow that's really funny i didn't know that um yeah but linus linus got so many applications that he had people fill it like a form but at first you just had people send in resumes so i sent you a google drive link of my resume and then i did a photo bucket link of pictures so those are definitely gone okay i'm bringing yeah those are gone oh yeah yeah oh okay dan i actually do need my screen back photo bucket see you later buddy

Starting point is 01:06:38 yeah yeah those are those are gone okay what else we got here though um can i just like can i edit this can i just like delete things no okay that's not easy okay well here let's do highlights of qualifications extensive experience building repairing and maintaining computers is this my resume sorry typing speed of 80 words per minute experience with air liquid and oil cooled computers that was a lie at the time i had literally never worked on a technically liquid cool yeah i think we figured that out when we tried to do this video uh here hold on i'm gonna find it because i was pretty annoyed um because i left him just to like work on water oh dan it was this the water block thing because you always misquote this i left him to just work on this and then i came

Starting point is 01:07:36 back and he had gotten like butt all done and i was like yo why is this taking so long and he was just like it's i don like, I don't remember what you said. It doesn't matter. The point is, it took a very long time, and it was very clear that I was going to be the one who was going to actually get this computer water cooled, not you. We've talked about this a few times, and it's been long enough now that I'm forgetting points,

Starting point is 01:08:01 but you've always said it wrong. It's like not what happened. I don't remember what it was. I think you gave me like, like this ended up taking you actually a super long time and you thought I was going to be done in like an hour and it took you like a day and I never made any sense that you thought it was going to take me this short period of time. I mean, that's possible. I've never been good at estimating time, but what I do know is I definitely left you to do something.

Starting point is 01:08:26 And it definitely seemed like not a lot of progress had been made. Yeah. But then you didn't even remotely get it done in that amount of time either. So I'm just saying. Remember water cooled RAM? Yes. I think this is literally the only time I've ever seen it be done, I guess I should say. Because I've seen it at like trade shows and stuff yeah

Starting point is 01:08:45 so dumb the goal was that as many things as possible would be water cooled and i wish i'd held on to these uh these spreaders and this thing not because i would ever use it for anything again but weird it's just cool it's cool you just like you put thermal compound on the top of the heat spreader and then you put this just block over top of the whole thing you cool all the RAM like that. It's sick. Awesome. Where's part three meant? How many? Remember when we did multi-part videos? That sure made things easier. We should do more multi-part videos. Why do we not do that anymore?'s genius look how long this video is like 23 minute video on plugging in tubing heck yeah that's crazy man do we ever get higher information density these days

Starting point is 01:09:36 why am i wearing a headset what a f***ing loser it's amazing all the little things that i'll see when i look back at an old video i'm just like ah yeah i didn't know what i was doing but hey cool i tried it's good oh anyway what are we talking about oh we need to do two more topics. Okay. We're on like my resume and stuff. Oh, right. Your resume. No, I want to talk about Luke's resume more. Um, okay.

Starting point is 01:10:13 Uh, Geek Squad Task Force Langley, BC. Let's go. Worked with other agents to repair infected, broken, and DOA computers. Let's go. Compiled a freeware software package for diagnostics i did actually do that um it was better than the one that they had and we actually used it in our entire department canada bred load trucks for distribution yep troubleshoot and maintain machines when required did you ever actually do i did actually do any it maintenance for canada

Starting point is 01:10:41 bread uh it was more than it maintenance it was like like production line machines i'm not even kidding that's kind of sad why that you needed to be the one to do that oh yeah yeah so i would i would get like annoyed because they would be like oh we'll like fix it tomorrow and i'm like what like what what am i supposed to do so i feel like it's very obvious what's wrong this like does not require a mill right because we had mill rights that would do like actual complicated things right like what i would be doing is very not like i'm not some yeah i don't know but like there was there was like this thing is clearly broken it just needs to be like removed or bolt needs tightened or like something like very very straightforward

Starting point is 01:11:29 things and everyone would just be like nope no one's gonna do it this is a very short resume yeah i mean oh it's the assistant application that has a whole bunch more on it. Yeah. Do you have that one? It's in the thing. No, this is the blank one. So I created this, I created the... No, look at the attached document. I am, it's blank. Look. Are you sure?

Starting point is 01:11:58 Yeah, it's completely blank. Trust me, Dan, it's fine. So here's the form. Job description, video editing may be required to be completed at home. No, it's not blank. You just opened the wrong one. Oh, well then maybe you should learn. You should get better at reading emails.

Starting point is 01:12:15 Maybe they should teach a class about that in high school. Maybe they should teach a class on not including blank versions of documents in replies to people. I didn't. I didn't. Look at the attachment from me. Sheesh. What a guy. Doesn't even know how to read the emails.

Starting point is 01:12:31 Look, you clicked on this one, which was attached from you. If you click on this one, which is attached from me, and I open it here, there's information in the doc. You just opened the wrong one. I only have one. Look. Maybe you should learn to send emails The best part is how hard you roasted me

Starting point is 01:12:58 Look guys, he's a little slow. He's like actually kind of fucking stupid little slow this week he's like actually kind of stupid today it's great because i wrote i was like this when i got covid last time like i could i could tell i was still smart enough to recognize that i was not very smart yeah it's like kind of really frustrating actually yeah i was like, oh man, this must be what it's like to be kind of a dull tool. God, that's so annoying. Like I'd just be like looking at something going, I should be able to figure this out. Why didn't it send you the whole chain? I don't know. It's actually really weird.

Starting point is 01:13:37 Like I should be able to figure out this thing, but I can't. Okay, there, there. You know? And I was just struggling so much with things that sucked. Whoa! Okay, so we had a landline. Yeah, yeah. This is how long ago that was.

Starting point is 01:13:54 My parents' house had a landline. Nice. Nice. Uh, hold on. Ugh. Oh, the photo bucket's listed again again that's unfortunate transportation bus slash car car broken and i will be getting a new one in december car broken bus slash broken car car broke oh man we'll be getting a new one in December.

Starting point is 01:14:25 How did I think I was going to do that? Well, you probably lied. That's probably a lie. Just like all the other things you lied about. Video editing skills. Please explain your relevant experience. Oh, boy. I have helped my brother create some Starcraft 2 casting video apostrophe S for YouTube.

Starting point is 01:14:42 Yeah. Hey, I think that was actually true. I helped him create these in Sony Vegas Movie Studio, I think that was actually true. I helped him create these in Sony Vegas movie studio. I think that was also true. I wouldn't say I have mastered the program by any means. Hey, I'm not lying yet. Although anytime we have had a problem, I have been able to figure it out or use Google to find a simple solution.

Starting point is 01:15:00 What a chat. A link to my brother's YouTube channel is linked below. We should hire him so you didn't technically lie other than by omission yet when you described your video editing skills however we're about to get into camera skills all my photo taking that has been strictly for personal use and some things to post on facebook slash google plus i don't believe you ever posted anything on facebook nope Nope, definitely didn't. Or Google+.

Starting point is 01:15:26 Did not. The cameras I have used for this, oh man. That's a lie. Are a Canon EOS Rebel T3i and some miscellaneous digital cameras. That I believe. Nope, that's honestly also not true. Your family didn't own a single miscellaneous digital camera. I don't think so.

Starting point is 01:15:43 Brilliant. Linked below is some samples of my work let's go the only pictures taken with the Canon we're at PAX 2011 the rest were just with miscellaneous digital cameras Thank You Johnny this should have been such a red flag man Thank You John why did you only have that camera at PAX? That's crazy. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:16:07 Yeah, it's weird, huh? It's weird. To be fair, I think PAX was very recent. Like, when was this email? Well, based on that you're saying, I'll have a car in December. It sounds like it was right after PAX. Yeah, so maybe I just caught the camera. Yeah, maybe you couldn't snap a single additional picture nah yeah for that'd be nuts you know what's really funny is these days

Starting point is 01:16:30 there's so many things that would be red flags about this if i was reading this now these days no offense but when people oh okay i do actually need my thing what when people send me their spec list like i'm just like why but like what i but this is hilarious not only did luke send the spec list for his computer in his job application he actually copy pasted the descriptions from ncix.com, which could be for one of two reasons. Either one, it was more convenient, or two, he didn't own any of this stuff and was just browsing the site and copy pasting things into a list. Which one was it, Luke? I'm looking through this right now and I'm really wondering.

Starting point is 01:17:20 I don't think there's any way you ever bought a Maximus Extreme. What is this computer? I don't think there's any way you ever bought a Maximus Extreme. What is this computer? I don't know. Wait, no. You are talking about one you built for a customer. Okay, never mind. This was Harrison's computer. No way.

Starting point is 01:17:41 100%. No way. Why did you put in two 560TIs in SLi it was dumb i don't know i shouldn't have included this i didn't want to even do certain things in this build but he wanted to like spend more money oh man huh yeah this is an interesting step is not an amazing build yeah because i didn't talk about the specs of my computer yeah because you were more focused on the fact that it was submerged in oil yeah but the specs of my computer actually made like a lot more sense i see i see i see i see

Starting point is 01:18:16 yeah um what interests you about the job this is great let's see how it turned out for him working with an industry leader in new computer hardware pretty much says it all that's not working out anymore being exposed to new hardware he likes to be exposed to hardware wow and being encouraged to research and test is nothing less than a dream to be completely honest so cute i have no idea if this position is paid and don't really care. At the time, that was honestly true. That's what established tech media was up against. This is literally the conversation we're having. Because yeah, I would have done this regardless.

Starting point is 01:18:54 This job would enable me to do what I already do in my free time on a much larger scale. This job would also help me contribute to the online computer hardware scene, which is always good. What a sentence. Good writing. What a sentence. would also help me contribute to the online computer hardware scene, which is always good. What a sentence. Good writing. What a sentence. It would be awesome to participate in the development of a show that I have so actively watched over the past couple of years. That was a bit of an exaggeration.

Starting point is 01:19:15 Thank you for your consideration. Any further information will be supplied promptly upon request! Exclamation point. Feel free to contact me at any time for further questions or to set up one word an interview i think i still type that as one word yeah well it isn't just being honest oh the references are sick though yeah good old johnny good old johnny johnny johnny chew heck yeah all right let's uh give this man a Pulitzer.

Starting point is 01:19:46 Thanks, Floatplane Chat. So good. They always got your back, Luke. So good. Don't worry, Floatplane Chat loves you. You didn't want to hire me, right? Something like that? But then you kept talking about my resume and Yvonne was just like, just talk to him.

Starting point is 01:19:57 And you were like, okay. That I don't remember. That's possible. That's the story that I've heard. If you were like, ah, it doesn't really have... Because you were mostly looking for videography. because i still have your hard copy and it has an a on it it has an a an interview on it oh interesting okay yeah or at least i did have your hard copy at some point the story that i'm remembering i don't remember the exact details but why do i

Starting point is 01:20:21 print all the resumes you're at the very least on the fence you were sitting at your kitchen table talking to Yvonne about it I think you were going through them it might have just been easier to do that way because you're working with her collaborative or maybe like NCIX printed them for me or something I can't imagine I would have printed resumes anyway yeah no I had like a pile of them I just always thought it was funny because in the early days Yvonne and I clashed a lot yes we're homies now but in the early days we clashed a lot yeah you guys made things difficult for me she was like the one that pushed you to actually bring me in for the interview and then we just butted heads for yeah well it didn't help that someone one of them was a butt head yeah about some things that yeah the other one takes no from anyone and uh was not into it's a good combination

Starting point is 01:21:07 yeah with me in between it all well it does work well that way yeah someone's got to be in between yeah um really i i heard that i looked up at my monitor and linus just slow turns and looks me dead in the eyes oh oh you got you got some time until sponsors maybe don't go immediately to them right now uh my brother's old starkov channel is still up oh yeah yeah it's been nine years since the last update and he had like a two-year gap between updates before that oh hopefully he gets these ads yeah i don't think so yeah probably not yeah probably not so let's go. He did casting, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:06 Good old StarCraft 1. Fire Zerg. This guy was dope. StarCraft 1. And I remember both. Oh, yeah. The West Canadian finals. I was at this, I think.

Starting point is 01:22:18 It was hosted at UBC. Nice. But yeah, we don't have audio or anything anything but that was a fun it was a fun era so who's winning oh gotta get that harassment going come on come on take out their production oh no no you're gonna get got you're gonna get got brother you're gonna get got well the one i would be cheering for in this scenario would probably be fire zerg and he's clearly playing zerg so oh okay so then we want them to get got yeah okay all right oh oh what just happened he got got nice nice okay nice good job everyone moving on but yeah cold starcrafted i liked that area it was fun and then starcraft sort of died. Yeah. Hey, speaking of things sort of dying.

Starting point is 01:23:08 Okay, not things dying. It doesn't matter. The point is I have, in addition to our regular topics this week, I created a little section of the doc called Random Extra Thing. And then I put three things into it. One was from the pre-show. We compared eight sleep stats. And I don't sleep at all yeah which is

Starting point is 01:23:25 interesting um but the next thing i wanted to talk to you about is something you probably don't know about yet but you will probably have strong feelings about and it's the mario kart balance changes i looked it up in the pre-show is that wild or what sandbagging is dead i hate it i okay wait sandbagging is dead i don't even know what you're talking about? Sandbagging is dead? I hate it. I, okay. Wait, sandbagging is dead? I don't even know what you're talking about. Like sandbagging, like staying way behind. Yeah. And then getting great items and using them to like rubber band to the front.

Starting point is 01:23:55 I didn't read that part. You didn't? No. Okay, hold on, hold on. Then I want to guess. I want to guess how you feel about it. Okay. So they've changed it. How does it work? They've changed it so that when you are in last place,

Starting point is 01:24:06 you're not just going to like automatically get a bullet bill that you can gain some ground with and then time it so that you can be the first one through the wickets at the end. I still don't like that. So I told you not to tell me so that I could guess. Oh, okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:24 Well, whatever. Okay. My, my, you're going to guess. Oh. Okay. Okay. Well, whatever. Okay. My, my. What were you going to guess? My inclination was that as a Mario Kart enthusiast, you would consider rubber banding to be part of the game. I do believe it's part of the game.

Starting point is 01:24:38 I don't think it's, uh, I don't think it's worse with it gone. I don't think it's going to make a huge difference because at the level i was playing it when i actually played it a lot like that wasn't a thing people did very often uh sandbagging people are asking deliberately underperform in a race or competition to gain an unfair advantage so an example of something like this might be in a bracketed tournament seeing that if you get more points in the round robin portion that's going to land you in a less favorable bracket where you're going to have to play the first seed first throwing a match or something like that to try to make it farther so you at least get you know in your groove before you have to play the first seed or something like that so that'd be an example of uh sandbagging um if you're like

Starting point is 01:25:31 okay i definitely can't win this tournament but i want to land in the money and there's like a way to guarantee landing in the money something like that whatever um in mario kart it's highly effective because like if you if you know you're better than like the uh the last four players um and you know you're competitive maybe with the first four but not certain you can just ride back slightly get really good power-ups and right before the end just slam it through uh because like the bullet bill like linus just described the bullet bill is insane like yeah it's kind of stupid yeah and there's lightning there's yeah there's multiple ones that are just kind of stupid

Starting point is 01:26:09 to be honest um even superstars can be dumb depending on the map yes like having that uh that invulnerability or that's that slight edge in speed um the ability to drive on any terrain at full speed like some some of these things you Especially if you can hold two at a time. There's certain ones where when you combo them, they can just be ridiculously devastating. Also like knowing where certain players are at, like having the lightning and then using it when someone's going over a jump will make it so they don't make it the whole way across the jump.

Starting point is 01:26:40 And then they fall off the map and then they have to get fucking towed back on and like all this stuff. Yeah, it can be really brutal. brutal it's just it's more something that i see at like a land level it's not something that i would see online as much really okay i was trying to play like really hardcore so what would you prefer so so you would It's been a long time since I was doing that, so I don't know. So you would prefer sandbagging be left in, like the extreme rubber banding. Because I don't think anyone would say there should be no rubber banding in a game like Mario Kart. It's too much of like a family-friendly fun game.

Starting point is 01:27:19 There needs to be some amount of, yeah. There should be some. I don't think it should be as extreme yeah like maybe maybe only being able to have one powerful power up uh there's even an argument i could potentially make for like maybe if you if you advance in rank enough and you have a certain level of power up it like re-rolls it for you or something um because like yeah if you're in last place and you get a bullet bill and you like manually drive yourself up to like fourth you probably shouldn't still be holding on to that i mean i feel like in some of the older mario

Starting point is 01:27:56 karts they had counters for that maybe i'm not sure i i know okay i don't play all of them mario kart 64 you lose your item whenever anyone hits a lightning i think that's right so like you so that strategy of like i didn't play 64 much yeah hanging back grabbing a really good item uh like like okay like a super mushroom which is really op in mario kart 64 because you can use it if you time it correctly. You can use it not in, I forget how many times. It feels infinite. It's a lot.

Starting point is 01:28:30 And I think you might be able to just use it an infinite number of times if you use it correctly. So you can go from last place to first place.

Starting point is 01:28:38 But you can't just hoard them because someone will probably hit a lightning bolt at some point and you will drop it. People are saying this happens in Mario Kart 8 too.

Starting point is 01:28:47 Oh, okay. That helps it a lot. Is lightning just less common now? Because it was pretty common. I'm just going to be honest. Like when I was doing that big push where I played online like crazy, this was not a common issue. So like, I don't know. I do know that this would like, whenever you'd play like on LAN, like a bunch of people are just just hanging out having fun like this is the thing that people would try to do to like have fun

Starting point is 01:29:08 saluna says bagging it higher ranking in mario kart 8 deluxe online is very common for certain tracks at least so it might be that you were leaning more toward tracks that were this is also a long time ago when i was like so i played on mario kart 8 non-deluxe because i played on wii u and this would have been in like 2014 it's been like nine years mystical says luke was in bronze where no one strategized that's incorrect i also don't think that's how the ranking works you see how salty he was you don't even know man the salt get out of here i could feel the salt from here hilarious yeah i used to talk to linus about this a decent amount i knew i started getting good when all the lobbies that i would

Starting point is 01:29:56 get into were just because it would show the flags of where people were from which was really cool nerd uh and and all the flags would just be Japanese flags. Nerd. Nerd. Yes. I'm making it. Speaking of making it, we have made a pretty stupid deal for this week. We've got a couple LTT store updates for you guys. Mystery color screwdrivers are back in limited quantities.

Starting point is 01:30:21 I walked past people building them. Apparently we're doing them here okay okay anyway so yeah they're they're actually built in the 105 workshop heck yeah um oh these are so cute oh do we do we not have them what that's the that's something else the post-it notes no oh i was not given any post-it notes. Dang it. Okay, well, I'm screen sharing now. Oh, yeah, he told us about them.

Starting point is 01:30:51 These are so cute. Oh, wow. Window post-it notes. They're post-it notes, but they look like a little window. And you can write on them just like a post-it note. Isn't that adorable? I wish Windows still looked that way. I mean, it sort of can if you turn on that mode.

Starting point is 01:31:09 It's very Windows 3.1 inspired. Anyway, these are, they're six bucks. The color is just the border around them, by the way. So they're six bucks or these are in the bonus bin. So if you buy anything else you can add a little pack uh at the different sizes in your order and you will get it for free well for bonus it's not free you placed an order um yeah really excited about these all i see is 10 of the note being unusable. You must be fun at parties.

Starting point is 01:31:46 Jeez. They are real 3M adhesive, by the way. We got samples from a couple of suppliers that claimed that they used adhesive that was as good as 3M. And I said, okay, let's see them. And they like immediately fell off the wall when I put them on. And there was,

Starting point is 01:32:06 it was a whole debate internally. There was someone who was advocating for those ones. And I was like, please. Yeah. I know they're cheaper. I fully, I fully understand number,

Starting point is 01:32:18 number up, number down. But right now the problem is not numbered up, number down. The problem is post-it note down how big are these post-it notes uh some of them are quite big yeah i just saw one of the examples and it's like that's huge yeah the big one is six by eight yeah that's that's large uh six by eight of what i can't remember but six by eight is something um also we have oh this is big

Starting point is 01:32:43 uh we have an email sign up link guys we don't we don't want to spam you guys we know that you don't want to get random emails when you know whatever stuff you don't care about you should sign up for this it's the black friday and cyber monday um oh wow what is this this needs to not be cut off. Okay, we need to... Okay, well... Nice. Okay, we need to fix that. Anyway, the point is,

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Starting point is 01:33:33 You are going to want to be on the newsletter because if you are not on the newsletter, you will almost certainly miss out on something that would be super cool. Oh, people are saying the form doesn't work for me on firefox um define doesn't work also message support oh someone said that um works fine for me try disabling ad blocker that's not something that we would intentionally implement but you never know ad blockers do all kinds of things to websites it's not something we would have intentionally implemented but but yeah yeah um it doesn't verify that ads you do newsletter i i know and i think that's what people might be saying when they say it doesn't work uh labs jake we are using 3m like stuff i think it's fine but um the better person to check with

Starting point is 01:34:29 would be nick also there's one more thing this is pretty crazy we are running a promo on our 3d down jacket super nice super nice jacket perfect for the pac Pacific Northwest. My favorite jacket I've ever had. One in 25 people who buy it over the next some period. I don't see it here. So let's assume not for very long. One in 25 people who buy it will get a chance to experience their jacket in the Pacific Northwest. Oh. That's right. You could win a trip to LTT headquarters

Starting point is 01:35:06 here in Vancouver because of the costs of plane tickets. This is only available to customers in North America excluding Quebec, but we have a special note for our live WAN show viewers. Not ones watching the archive

Starting point is 01:35:22 because this is sort of crazy. The standard chances to win which we publish um which we adhere to are one in 25 there is a one in 25 die roll if you pick up a 3d down jacket that you will be getting on a plane and coming for a tour of ltt headquarters what the heck but if you buy during the show now we will double your odds you will have a 2 in 25 chance of winning a trip to vancouver and a tour of lmg hq uh the full details are oh wow where are the details oh boy well hopefully somewhere let me check the homepage. Oh man. Here it is. Okay, good. Buy a jacket, win a trip. Oh, uh, oh yeah, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Round trip flight, one person, two nights in a hotel, private tour of LMG offices, valued at up to $2,000

Starting point is 01:36:18 with the purchase of the jacket based on random draw. Uh, they will use a 100 number randomizer. Okay. So we've got the whole methodology and the t's and c's there yay it's on the website haha cool so there it is guys absolutely crazy promo uh we're just kind of getting into the the black friday season getting into the mood gonna be some crazy stuff going on and we're starting with that it's a really really well reviewed product good for most weather jacket surprisingly warm from florian mostly good pretty nice questionable design decisions well you guys can read it um see what you think of that one but overall very very well reviewed product i know luke really likes his yeah

Starting point is 01:36:58 i was like i genuinely can't even think of what that would even be i mean you never know people can people can read the reviews can have yeah they can make their own decisions opinions and stuff yep all right why don't we jump into a topic oh why don't we jump right into oh no it's sponsor time all right thanks to signal wire for sponsoring this week's show signal wire is a leading provider of cloud native low code apis they recently launched their new AI agent that allows you to create voice applications that are not only smarter, but also simulate natural human conversations. Setup is easy. You can embed an agent into an application in minutes using the no-code drag-and-drop tools or by using SignalWire's

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Starting point is 01:39:46 on the gpt store these gpts can apparently be built without coding knowledge using the gpt llm uh yeah it's like you definitely don't need any um open i also announced gpt for turbo which has a 128k token context window. And from what I've heard so far, it's just like, you should use it if you just need really fast responses that are a little bit worse, which is like, okay. Well, it allows prompts up to 300 pages long,

Starting point is 01:40:20 says Riley. That part's pretty crazy. That's wild. It used to be 2 000 tokens and i thought what did this say 192 that is nuts that is you that is absolutely that's the crazy part that that made me pause like that i've had a lot of people commenting about how it's not as good though yeah but the token the token like context length is everything uh well it's 40 of everything there you go yeah yeah yeah if only you'd had more tokens to give us that

Starting point is 01:40:48 additional context for what you were saying yeah it is crazy though like it's a cool development it's just they're all flavors like you shouldn't just automatically use it because you think it's automatically better anyways open ai paired these new features with an across the board price decrease and a commitment to pay the legal costs of OpenAI customers who get sued for copyright infringement over AI-generated works. Wow. That had been leaked. Can I just say that the major takeaway here for me is that we're bringing back Turbo?

Starting point is 01:41:18 Yeah, that's kind of cool. Yeah. I like that word. Turbo. I always liked Turbo. Forget X, you know? Yeah. Like. I like that word. Turbo. I always liked turbo. Like, let's get, forget X, you know? Yeah. Forget, you know, GTX, you know, things with just like X in them for no reason.

Starting point is 01:41:32 That's passe. Yeah. Let's bring back turbo. Turbo. Remember when computers had a turbo button? Yeah. That was sweet. Yeah, man.

Starting point is 01:41:39 I like turbo better than extreme. You know, extreme is like. Extreme was. It's try hard. It's try hard it's try hard turbo yeah turbo slow down there turbo turbo nerd yeah i've always liked turbo yeah i've tried to keep that one alive no one cared it's fine anyways the next one this one i've been all over i messaged linus this one humane a startup founded by former apple execs, has launched the AI pin, a $700 lapel pin,

Starting point is 01:42:07 which users can tap to talk to a virtual assistant powered by technologies from OpenAI and cloud computing from Microsoft. The pin has a $24 a month subscription that includes unlimited data and phone calls via T-Mobile. It's screenless and app-less, sort of. We could go into that if you want. But it has a built-in laser projector to display text and monochrome images on the user's hand. It also

Starting point is 01:42:35 has a camera that can take pictures and scan to interpret objects that you hold in front of it. Humane has raised $241 million from Microsoft and OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and others. Okay. Can we talk about this?

Starting point is 01:42:56 You've got to get it at this point. What is it about being ex-Apple that makes you so cynical that you think people will just buy anything and create stuff like this? I thought it was kind of interesting that like the image that the laser projector puts on his hand is like kind of blurry and not that easy to read. Yeah. And they show that in the video that and you have to hold it somewhere that's not that easy to see or interact with that's not that bad you have to have it in a specific spot like that's just ridiculous so

Starting point is 01:43:38 i'm checking the time on my phone i just it's anywhere it's like when you inevitably get this and you guys inevitably inevitably make a video about it yeah you've got to do like a speed race just like is there different tasks is there literally anything that's faster with this thing yeah because there might be maybe i don't know okay hold on hold on like this is just becoming a bit of a pattern here. Where's that super expensive speaker that was from ex-Apple people? We did a video about it. Former Apple. Yeah, here it is.

Starting point is 01:44:15 Look at this thing. It sounded great. But it was like wildly, wildly expensive. Super cool design. Wildly expensive. wildly wildly expensive super cool design wildly expensive um are these guys still around i have no idea holy crap these guys still exist here we go hold on 100 best inventions i'm really uh yeah that's really challenging how much is it

Starting point is 01:44:47 there's a set of three there how much if I want three of them but hey it's a thousand dollars off Luke so you can you can sit on the top of this building and listen to music that's what you would do I don't know how many like you know

Starting point is 01:45:04 demographics you've obliterated to be able to afford that building but it's pretty cool it what a building that's what you would do yeah i don't know how many like you know because that makes demographics you've obliterated to be able to afford that building but it's pretty cool like i want to make it really clear it does sound great but it's clear that um things probably aren't going particularly well but yeah it's 25 it's 2500 it's an it's an like i don't really know i don't really know how to deal with that you know um anyway sorry what are we talking about oh right right right yeah okay so this this ai this ai pin thing if it wasn't what is it seven hundred dollars six hundred dollars or something like that? $700.

Starting point is 01:45:46 Yeah. US, I think, because it's only available in the US. How does that make it? And a $24 a month subscription, which comes with unlimited data. Well, that's fine. That's fine. I don't mind a $24 a month. Okay, when I found out the product had a subscription, I lost it.

Starting point is 01:46:01 I was like, that's ridiculous. It's just a ChatGPT premium subscription, plus $4. Right. So was like, that's ridiculous. It's just a chat GPT premium subscription plus $4. Right. So I don't, I don't even mind that just having a data plan on something. It's like, yeah, okay. This is something that doesn't function without a data plan. So I guess realistically I need a data plan. Fine.

Starting point is 01:46:16 Um, I thought it was just, Hey, you just need a subscription to keep using your product. Um, to keep using your product. Am I losing my passion here? When Google Glass came out, I didn't care how useless it was. I wanted to try it. And obviously I wasn't the kind of person that- I want to try this.

Starting point is 01:46:41 Insisted- You don't want to try this at all? Hold on, hold on. Can I just, can I, can I pour my heart out here for a minute? Yeah. Okay. I wanted to try this. Insisted. You don't want to try this at all? Hold on. Can I just, can I, can I pour my heart out here for a minute? Yeah. Okay. I wanted to try it.

Starting point is 01:46:50 I wasn't one of those people who insisted on continuing to use it once it became evident that it was not useful and never going anywhere. Like I wasn't one of those people who was like, yeah, this is like the immediate future. Let's go. But I, but I wanted to try it. immediate future let's go um but i but i wanted to try it i look at this thing and i just see a complete and utter waste of my time i i don't i don't want to use it i don't want to i don't even want to invest the time to learn how to use it and i feel like that's that's bad i'm going to force myself to use it so that I can participate in all the memes

Starting point is 01:47:25 about how dumb and shit it is or whatever, right? But it makes me feel like... Is any amount of you open to being wrong? Well, I have to be open to being wrong. I consider that a life skill. I consider it a professional skill. I recently started working on a review of a laptop like here's the thing i think i hate to bring this up but we had a recent situation

Starting point is 01:47:52 where i had made up my mind about a product to a significant degree before i ultimately made a video about it um and i think that a lot of people interpreted that as me not being open to my mind being made up being wrong. But that's not what I mean by made up my mind. What I mean is I have assessed it. I'm pretty experienced. I've seen a lot of stuff over the years. And I usually have a pretty good read on it. and I usually have a pretty good read on it. In that case, I was right about it. And so, yeah, the conclusion that I had already drawn was right. In the case of this more recent product, in fact, here, I'll pull it out on the show. Because... Because...

Starting point is 01:48:39 This is a laptop? Yeah. I was very surprised yeah okay the first thing the first thing i thought when i saw this laptop was wow it's so thick it looks like it's from 10 years ago yeah the second thing i thought when i saw this laptop was IMAX enhanced. Are you kidding me? IMAX enhanced on a lap. What does that,

Starting point is 01:49:10 what does that even mean? What does that mean? So we got off on the wrong foot. Yeah. Okay. Me in this lap. Actually though, what,

Starting point is 01:49:16 what does that mean? I have no idea. I'm not worried about that because I'm reviewing a laptop, not an IMAX. I might be part of it. Yeah. So anyway, then I started using it and realized that

Starting point is 01:49:30 the touchpad is extremely laggy because it always uses a bluetooth connection because it does not attach in a permanent way to the laptop okay slide when you use it? no a little no though mostly I tried to interact with the touch screen and realized that there's a gap here because of the curved screen that makes it hard to touch the taskbar and like you know connect a bluetooth device okay

Starting point is 01:49:58 this is all sounding like things that I probably could have figured out ahead of time kind of drawn an approximate conclusion about, and would have had reinforced by my time with the product. But I know that's not true. And then I rolled into a meeting. Yeah. And I took off the keyboard

Starting point is 01:50:20 and I opened up the gigantic foldable display. Okay. Hold on, the pen came off. I whipped out the kickstand and I blew my own mind. Yeah. I fucking love it. And so I forget what I'm actually responding to.

Starting point is 01:50:48 It feels like it's kind of stepping almost away from the laptop and it's stepping more into portable. It's an AIO. Yeah. That I can carry with me and his battery powered. It's incredible. Yeah. Um,

Starting point is 01:50:58 I, there's drawbacks. I, I've got, I'm going to have a detailed video about it because I've actually spent a fair bit of time with it. I've put away my framework and I've been daily driving this um and i i was daily i daily drove it because we were saying it's the aspect ratio and picture format what about it

Starting point is 01:51:14 imax oh all right whatever um yeah i'm not getting into that uh the point is there's still things that are going to be gripes about it. There's problems. It has some first gen things about it. But honestly, when I saw you using it in a meeting for the first time, my brain exploded. I couldn't even understand what was happening at first. It's like, what is this thing? I've never seen this before.

Starting point is 01:51:41 I love about it exactly the things that I love about a foldable phone yeah it's like yeah nice laptop yeah yeah this sucks now like it's seeing i'm like okay his keyboard looks honestly just easier to use it's fine i can move it around anywhere i want yeah which is why it's easier to super convenient you could literally lounge back and have this really light keyboard thing in your lap yeah and you have this enormous screen huge yeah huge and it folds up into a 13 inch form factor which just in case you want to you could still use what you could totally still use and i often do or when i'm like which settling in not great but it's fine it works fine yeah and when i'm settled in and i'm like doing real work it's tiny it's huge it just transforms yeah yeah so it's um

Starting point is 01:52:36 so i guess uh what what was the point what was i uh what was i what was i definitely as cynical as you can be you're definitely still open to mind being changed. Of course. And here's an example of where it did change. Right, yeah, that was the point of this. Because I had, I had, oh, right, right, right. The original video concept was, ugh, this thing. How do we get views on this product?

Starting point is 01:52:57 I kind of feel like we should cover it, but like, what's the angle for this video? And I volunteered. Nobody else wanted to do it. I volunteered as tribute to daily drive it for a significant period of time i'm very happy so that that would be the title so that i could be like so the title could be i daily drove this horrible laptop for a month because i thought that would

Starting point is 01:53:20 be very clickable it's like your life has changed and you'll never go back. And now it's like, holy crap, this is actually really awesome. Please keep making this format of computer. And I'm happy you did it. Well, I wouldn't get that far. Because I don't know, I'm just... Yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:33 Just careful. Because I don't know how many other people on the team are going to spend that much time in meetings so they might not have ran into that use case. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. It's good that you did it.

Starting point is 01:53:41 So my thing about the Humane AI pin is to me yeah it seems like a i don't know anything about him i could be totally wrong here it's monochrome and honestly the lines look pretty blurry in the video yeah it seems like a not all that high quality laser projector a speaker that might be good or not i don't really care it's a small speaker we've been doing this for decades at this point um a microphone an led light and a subscription to chat gpt yeah oh and some way to access the internet and it costs 700 and is for 24 bucks now like i just all the because all of the features they displayed.

Starting point is 01:54:27 This feels like Vine. It feels like something that I don't have to actually invest my own time in. And I can just read someone else's summary a few years later when it fails. And I can just keep doing my own thing. No, you got to try this. No, I will. You already convinced me. I will.

Starting point is 01:54:44 I just, I don't want to, I guess is the... own thing no you got to try this no i will you already you already convinced me i will i just i don't want to i guess is is the is because okay maybe i can hype you up a little bit because i don't necessarily know if this is it either sure but this might be the first step because we we've been talking for a long time and i'm honestly like frustrated that this hasn't happened yet yeah but we've been talking for a long time about the like compute puck remember that conversation like 2013 like the wearable thing yeah where we were like eventually you're gonna have like yeah battery and compute in your pocket yeah yeah and then you'll have like display and other stuff we talked about this with vr as well like building like a like a like uh i think the concept we had after we did that one where you built a vr

Starting point is 01:55:25 rig into out like a hiking backpack frame yeah um we talked about doing one where we actually like strapped all the components to the person and used like uh like ribbon cables and extensions so you could wear the vr setup including like batteries and everything in a more balanced way and just like streamlined yeah carry the compute with you i google clips that's the one okay it's like yeah i i see where you're going with this how this could kind of be an evolution toward that so i don't i don't think it's the thing in my opinion but i do think it's a group of if i can give them as much credit as i possibly could and i've dunked on this thing so like i just want to be very clear yeah but if i can give them any credit yeah it feels like a group of people that are trying to usher in the next thing okay i don't know if this is necessarily it but they've

Starting point is 01:56:27 taken a lot of risks this is a weird product microsoft and sam altman and other investors have certainly taken a lot of risks fair enough yeah why can't it just be like a bluetooth thing that you pair with your phone and stick on your shoulder why does it have to be a self-contained item you vc investor jail go oh you're done you're out you're you're you're done bud you're done no i'm gonna go and create my own an ai pocket protector i can do it cheaper pocket protector is fantastic okay we'll give you 220 billion dollars yeah or a million excuse me not billions that'll help me embezzle it even faster yeah but yeah it's interesting i i'm very surprised that um if i remember correctly there's like there's a line in their announcement video that sounds like hyper anti-right to repair.

Starting point is 01:57:26 Nice. And like, did you listen to it? Yeah, I noticed that because I liked their part. No one's commenting on this. Am I crazy? No, I think it's a difficult emotion for me to have with that because it has a safety light, right? Yeah. Because this is some of the problem with Google Glass. If that actually works.

Starting point is 01:57:44 If it's actually, like, that's going to get bypassed immediately okay so okay so here's the problem with safety lights and dan knows more about this stuff than me so he might maybe probably jump in here but safety lights like if you have a webcam at home on your desktop what you really want is a webcam where the led recording light is you you cannot uh software bypass it because to be able to turn the camera on the power has to go through that led so that is your own webcam and you shouldn't be by possible through software it's pointing at you right yeah and you want to make sure that you're not being spied on you own this camera and you're pointing it at other people so now there's an incentive for you to turn off the camera so you don't you yourself so they don't know that you're recording oh yeah this is absolutely um right glass it's google glass

Starting point is 01:58:34 and hey it's not google glass it's all normal everything's okay yeah and then they're saying that if you try to disable the light like you just cut the front of it off and cut out the light uh it'll know and then it can only be repaired by them like that's some sort of safety trigger and i don't know how i feel about that yeah i'm very mixed because one that's probably a really good feature to have but like my if they really cared yeah as lame as this might be yeah bro if you think this a pin i'm gonna wear is the only way i can record you you're nuts i like that argument like that's a that's a dumb just to be like oh yeah so we're gonna use this argument of like we don't want people accidentally recording

Starting point is 01:59:18 people which is fair uh but we're gonna use that argument to make it so that you just never get to repair this thing. Probably ever. I suspect that's where this is going to go. I like LTT Labs, Jake. Paint. Paint works. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:59:33 Like, I don't know, dude. It's nail polish. There's also been, like, tiny little micro cameras that you can fit into, like, dress shirt buttons for years. I think, obviously, like, those are very silent. This is a very overt camera that's pointing in people's faces yeah i think we had a major pushback with google glass because you're literally just like a camera in your face yeah you don't know what's happening yeah it makes it awkward i think we're seeing that as well i don't know i don't know where i am with this it's definitely interesting in a land of devices that have not been interesting for a long time.

Starting point is 02:00:09 I'm into it from like a philosophical. Yeah. Yeah. Like I would love to just have a thing on my shoulder and that would be my thing. And then maybe it connects to a screen that I reference occasionally, but I just talk to it. I mean, you've seen the movie Her. They're basically talking to their computer all the time and then oh you want to see this thing you put out your little screen instead of the other way around so dan wants an ai girlfriend basically when i want more parts on his shoulder yeah

Starting point is 02:00:38 it's like a it's like a bird hey yeah i i'd love i'd love a a little bird ai that sits on my shoulder that's just like what is this google clips oh wow it's the same thing i don't remember this at all when is this from exactly uh this is from this is from 2018 what the heck how did how did, we didn't talk about this on Wanch? Oh yeah, we did. Oh. You just don't remember because it was f***ing stupid. I feel like I have a pretty good memory for that chemistry. It's an AI camera that you wear that takes pictures when it sees something that, you

Starting point is 02:01:20 know, might be noteworthy. Oh, I do remember this. you know might be noteworthy oh i do remember this so basically wow this was in in six years five in five years we've gotten what a 450 price bump you got a chat gpt subscription microphone and a chat gpt subscription why yeah it's literally already my phone my phone does all of this let's go like just give me a lapel pin and one airpod that is that is i'm gonna go get vc i'm quitting i quit i'm gonna go invent the single airpod you can't quit you're fired oh by the way here's a bushel of money do it okay i was like my christ silicon valley must be wild man it's almost like i should watch like a movie that was all about like you know how it you know happened and stuff he's so upset right now okay so what's the progress on that have you played titanfall i haven't played any more titanfall

Starting point is 02:02:22 no okay i mean you were there for all the gaming that I did in the last week. We had the LAN last week, and I was playing multiplayer games because I am a good LAN party citizen, and I don't sit and play single-player games at a LAN party. What? I didn't. Are you chirping me? No.

Starting point is 02:02:41 Okay, that's just a statement. Okay. Oh, no, no, no. If I was chirping you, you'd know, because I'd be talking about how ridiculous it is to go to a social f***ing land party and just sit and play counter-strike the whole time being social you can play counter-strike anytime we're being social you can play counter-strike anytime you can't play like you know halo ce or like midtown madness or worms armageddon i was playing counter-strike you're

Starting point is 02:03:05 like hey what games are you playing do you want to play left for dead and i was like yes and you're like okay cool and i was like yeah send me an invite and then you played left for dead without me and didn't send me an invite no there was a reason and i got invited by my friends to play counter-strike so i played counter-strike and i had fun and this guy never stops with the and we have friends in the land were cheering in the LAN. Absolute show off. You had 80 people at your house for a LAN over the weekend. Get over it.

Starting point is 02:03:35 I'm trying to think what percentage of them whose, whose names I knew. Not all of them were staff. There were a lot of plus ones and stuff like that. I'm not saying I actually don't know any of the staff's names. I'm just saying. We played Pico Park. Oh.

Starting point is 02:03:54 I didn't know. I didn't know. All I had ever seen were like little short clips. Yeah, that was very frustrating. What a brain-destroying game. He was legitimately angry like not like guys yeah at least at one point in time guys seriously this is not that hard just if it's not your turn don't go yeah just like like mad we were playing with eight people in the uh in the

Starting point is 02:04:27 theater room it was um it was rough i gotta admit by the time luke started getting legitimately angry i uh i i wasn't even intentional but i just naturally um followed an inverse function uh for my unhelpfulness or my helpfulness went down inversely with his anger. Okay. I want to give you this though. You actually did fine because I know I, so there's, we've had, we've had this conversation before. I don't, I'm not going to go too into it, but it was a conversation about like the concept of trust and adult relationships and all this kind of stuff. Um,

Starting point is 02:05:08 and I was talking about how like one form of trust is, is kind of like just knowledge of a person. So you like know what they're going to do. You like trust that, you know what they're going to do in different scenarios. Um, so I like, I knew where this was headed for your brain.

Starting point is 02:05:27 So I'm like, he's not going to be able to just sit in here and like keep like focus on the mission. Yeah. Like I knew that was going to happen. So I don't know if you even noticed this, but partway through one of the matches, I noticed that you went away from everything dangerous and just started messing around in the background.

Starting point is 02:05:43 And I just went back there and was like jumping around with you because i was like he's playing ball he's not messing around near the dangerous stuff he's not screwing anyone up but he's like bored and frustrated and wants to mess with things but he's doing it away from the danger and i'm like you know what good boy that's cool i'm gonna go like support this and go hang out too and it was like kind of fun and i was like all right this is cool i yeah i don't i don't think that part of your brain actually torpedoed any of the attempts i don't think so you know what i would have torpedoed the last level if your dad hadn't ruined it before i got a chance i feel bad that he was the last one but every single one of us screwed up at least one of them.

Starting point is 02:06:26 So it was like, I don't know. We didn't complete the game because we spent like a long time on one half an hour, 20 minutes at least. I don't even know on the last level where you have to get over all the do not touch buttons. And there was one more leapfrog

Starting point is 02:06:45 that had to happen and it like we were part of it was we were all a little low blood sugar yeah because the food had arrived and we were like no we're gonna complete this level before we eat and right when we were at the exit door like we made it all we had to do was like walk through the door or something or like make like one more jump or something it was a total of three jumps and i yeah i had i had decided already that if his dad made it i was just gonna hit the button but i was through already you can come back out though so like yeah it would have worked yeah pico park yeah that game pretty fun though it was pretty fun until that level that level was a little much i think um all the other ones depends who you're playing with i think if you're playing with 100 sweaty gamers it would be no problem and if you

Starting point is 02:07:33 had less potential total people no i think even with eight sweaty gamers would be fine yeah um this is great uh we we do have a quick question uh from rcm24 in floatplane chat they want to know how super checks went after the land show last week so something happened with super checks i don't know like so we we were playing for a while and linus was wrecking me and i had this like slow and decent progression and then i got to a point where i he leapfrogged me i leapfrogged him pretty good for a couple weeks two weeks in a row he crushed me yeah like it wasn't even that close and i was like all right i'm like good now linus will do well but like i'm good now we're

Starting point is 02:08:18 good and then he i don't know he spent a week uh you know how like in dragon ball z they'll have an episode where he just like screams the whole time i feel like he spent a week just like doing that he like repair he came in with his son and repaired the board he like that's the only thing we talked about for a week like he was just like this this is my whole life for a week and then just crushed and ever since that week meditation and it has nothing to do with the board repair i'm not trying to that's just i'm just saying that he was like dialed in that's all i'm saying by that comment but i i haven't been able to get it back since and i don't think i'm playing worse i think i'm playing at the same level i did when i crushed you those two weeks. You just went nuts. I don't like, I don't,

Starting point is 02:09:05 oh man, you know what part of the shots are absurd. Like the, the final shot in the, like in the four before game that we did. Oh, that was fun. That was nuts though.

Starting point is 02:09:15 The last shot. Do you even remember it? It was your, your back, right guy, short stick. Um, there was like three blocks and you just bam.

Starting point is 02:09:24 And it landed like top corner of the net just like you didn't even like slide up just one really quick shot and you were totally confident wasn't even phased like what i i don't know man it's getting to the point where people don't want to play with me it's nuts there's no chance it's like oh man i don't know luke's the only one who has beaten me that's still cool so you at least you at least get and i can usually get like a game yeah yeah i can still often get a game but we'll play like five and i only get one yes man i don't know you know what it is though you pushed me like this is the thing like i there's an there's an old expression like you can't sharpen a blade against dirt or something i don't remember

Starting point is 02:10:12 but you need you need two sharp things to make two sharp things you know what i mean and um the reason that i like elevated it was because you started shutting me down because I was just playing intuitively before. I wasn't really thinking about it. It's the kind of thing that comes really naturally to me. There's this other hockey game we played at the LAN called Slapshot Rebound. Really fun

Starting point is 02:10:38 by the way. Just utter chaos. Great LAN game. I would highly recommend playing with friends. I don't necessarily know if i'd recommend online play because there is some hyper sweaty people in online play they have pretty okay matchmaking i enjoyed online play yeah okay okay um anyway so slapshot rebound lots of fun i don't know what it is about my brain but slapshot rebound the way you control your character it's a like a physics-based hockey. We played some really fun 6v6.

Starting point is 02:11:07 Total chaos. Because it's completely physics-based, and the way you control your character is WASD to skate. I was losing the plot on those games near the end. Yeah, I know. You were really mad. He got pretty mad at the learn. You didn't have fun. I did. I actually had a great time. Okay, good. But you

Starting point is 02:11:22 control your stick by moving your mouse left and right and your character rotates and that translation of a linear movement to a rotational action i can't it completely breaks my brain watching ariel from the lab from having barely touched the game to like top shelf backhand crazy shot i can't even i can't even fathom it i have probably three or four times as many hours in the game as he does and he walks circles around out of nowhere too because like i i the 66 games were so chaotic that he just might not have been able to flourish there at all. No, no. No, he was like practicing a bit.

Starting point is 02:12:06 He was playing in the practice mode after that. So what I'm saying, but so we played in the 6v6 and he seemed fine. I remember his name. He was one of the better players, but like it wasn't insane or anything. And then we ended up playing, was it 3v3? As like one of the last things we did at the whole event. And he crushed. He was very clearly the strongest player. It was As like one of the last things we did at the whole event. And he crushed. He was very clearly the strongest player.

Starting point is 02:12:27 I was just like, what the? Yeah, it was madness. And then for me, I managed to degrade. In the first 6v6 game, I scored three goals. Like completely dominated the game. I didn't score another goal in any of the rest of the games, the entire rest of the LAN event. And that was like six or seven or eight games. games the entire rest of the LAN event and that was like

Starting point is 02:12:45 six or seven or eight games with the entire rest of the LAN event yeah I never scored another goal oh wow yeah I don't know my brain broke not in the 3v3s at all?

Starting point is 02:12:55 super checks though oh yeah that game just popped off I just get it clicks I get it and

Starting point is 02:13:03 so I wasn't really thinking when I was winning before I was just like, he, he fun. You made me think. Yeah. And I was like, okay, now he's terrifying.

Starting point is 02:13:14 Ah, man, I love it. It's such, it's such a good game. It's such a good game. The thing that drives me a little bit nuts is I've always been extremely defensive minded in like every game,

Starting point is 02:13:26 every sport, everything that I do. So anytime that I'm in a one-on-one scenario, it takes a lot of energy to score points. It comes very natural to defend and stop points, if that makes sense. But you can't just win that way because they're probably going to get at least some amount through so you have to counter with some amount of actual scoring so i always struggle

Starting point is 02:13:51 with the scoring side um so i only had like when i when i was when i did do really well those two weeks i really only had like two or three shots that i was getting in. Um, but it was the defense. I was shutting down a lot of your goals. I would, I would end a significant amount of games with like one, one against, and then I'd have however many I got. That was really frustrating,

Starting point is 02:14:15 but that, that's what I'm normally pretty good at. And then he learned how to shut down my shots, all of them. And also, and also learned how to score more and then the score and did that at the same time and the score just went like just completely over two games you got like two goals and i got 11 or something like that oh like that's so rough that that's back to like the first time

Starting point is 02:14:40 i ever played like that i don't know that's kind of ridiculous you'll get it back you'll get it back see we have this thing where any new game I will beat Luke out of the gate if neither of us have touched it and then within usually about half an hour he is absolutely destroying me at it probably I think the best example of this like a pure gamer example of this is um disc jam yeah it's kind of like volleyball it's like somewhere in between volleyball and disc golf i don't even think you can play it anymore i think it's dead now yeah i think it's completely dead actually really fun surprise it died sort of poorly balanced which is why my maybe part of why it died or maybe i don't know there could be any number of reasons why it died it's free to play a game i think it's still it costs money but and you can buy it maybe you can play single player i don't know anyway disc jam um what makes this

Starting point is 02:15:36 such a such a perfect example is that neither of us had ever played a game anything like it i i'd say about the only things we could have both had experience with is controlling a third person character model. And. Yeah, there's there's weird mechanics and stuff. Super weird mechanics with like curving the disc and lobbing it and firing it hard and all this all this crazy stuff. And so we both used a controller before, and we both moved the character around on a screen. We both fundamentally understand,

Starting point is 02:16:10 well, my goal's on my side, you need to score on it, and vice versa. I annihilated him out of the gate. Like, easy money. Within probably, what, our third game? Somewhere around there. I think you beat me. I might have won one more after that, and then I just never won again.

Starting point is 02:16:28 Yeah. And we played probably 20 games. Like, we played it over a couple of nights. And then he never wanted to play again. And then the game shut down. And then they did do that. So I looked it up. It is still purchasable.

Starting point is 02:16:40 But all the recent reviews are telling people not to buy it, because all of the multiplayer functionality is off they turned off the multiplayer servers they're still advertising as if they have multiplayer um and you might be able to do um like hamachi style or like vpn style networking next land disc jam tournament so yeah maybe it could work for like a couch co-op setting um but yeah but the thing is you never really cared about disc jam i thought it was really fun i liked it yeah but you didn't care about it in the way that you care about super i love super checks yeah see it's a different it's a different thing i i also would argue i i said dexterous and you you didn't like that um he basically called me a thief should

Starting point is 02:17:32 i say deft he called me a thief should i say and anytime there's like agility tasks like if you look back at channel super fun competitions like what ones is linus gonna win versus what ones is luke gonna win like there was it was usually somewhat predictable yeah if it's if it's a strength challenge luke will win if it's a dexterity challenge i will probably win yeah so like yeah and it's it's a lot of like this stuff so it makes sense to me but it doesn't mean how are you so good it doesn't mean i'm just gonna roll operating a game controller see that doesn't mean... So how are you so good at... It doesn't mean I'm just going to roll over. Operating a game controller. See, that doesn't make any sense.

Starting point is 02:18:08 I think I have an opinion that it's... I think somewhat of it is you have it built into your brain that that's how this works. I think... Dude, I try think dude i try hard i try hard so i learned i i had a buddy um that i grew up with that we were the opposite i would i would beat him at the beginning really okay and and And I picked up that in the first matches that we'd play against each other in,

Starting point is 02:18:49 he like wouldn't care at all. But he would like learn different controls or combos and stuff. Oh, interesting. So he'd be like trying things. And then he wouldn't tell me what they were. What a dick. That part was like, okay, I don't know about that. And then, yeah, he would like leapfrog me because in those first three rounds where i was trying to play he was just practicing and learning he wasn't trying to play at all

Starting point is 02:19:14 so i don't quite do that i'm definitely trying to win no but you are you are a methodical i'm also yes yeah whereas i do think i have a bit of a tendency to just play. I don't have that kind of focus. I think you care more about that, winning that individual match. I think. Oh, I definitely always care about winning the individual match.

Starting point is 02:19:34 That's an interesting assessment because I, I think that in a game where I do have that kind of focus, I probably can compete with you. I think that if you put 50 hours into a supreme commander or something like that i'd probably still beat you um whereas depending on what it was i i think that if you put in 50 minutes i would never be able to touch you again like it's just i don't know it just it just depends a lot of that that's what i was trying to say with the like, we're slightly different types though. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Starting point is 02:20:06 It's like, yeah. I don't know. It's funny because I can't get good at every RTS or anything like that. Man, I can't handle the pace of Warcraft. I think you like the mass management because you also really like Anno. Yeah, yeah, I love Anno.

Starting point is 02:20:24 Anno, Supcomcom stuff like that yeah um okay are we supposed to be doing one show after dark like what even to come all the way back to it we only got halfway through this article and then didn't care about ai anymore and started talking about video games you're supposed to do three merch messages after sponsors which was four segments ago and now it's time for When After Dark. Don't forget about physical games. Physical games? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any form of gaming or competition, really. It's an all-gaming physical game. So, just to finish this topic off. New high-profile LLMs. Elon Musk's AI company, company xai unveiled grok a chat gpt competitor with real-time access to all twitter posts according to musk it's based and loves sarcasm and its mission is to help understand the universe xai says that despite being trained in a couple months uh on only 33 billion parameters

Starting point is 02:21:26 grok performs better than meta's uh lama 2 and open ai's chat g uh sorry gpt 3.5 and a number of benchmarks uh i said that really poorly but you know what i mean you're doing great however these benchmarks he's fading fast guys by people verified on twitter who get into the early access program then i'm surprised it's not in here. Um, but Sam Altman on Twitter, um, which I'm probably not gonna be able to find on my laptop now because I'm not

Starting point is 02:21:53 signed in. So I suspect it's just not going to go well, but can I find it? He threw so much shade, like incredible amounts of shade. Oh, did he delete it? No way, dude. Wait, it shows that he has no tweets since...

Starting point is 02:22:15 Oh, is it doing that thing because I'm not signed in so it's giving me random tweets? Oh, that's so annoying. Ah... Anyways, he had a screenshot. I'm not gonna be able to find it right now. So I'm going to quote it improperly because Twitter just like doesn't work properly unless you're signed in. So I don't know if I could even find this at all. But he had a tweet where he said like, you know how you can make GPTs now? where he said like,

Starting point is 02:22:44 you know how you can make GPTs now? So he went through the process of making a GPT and he was like, make it use like cringy shock value boomer humor. Oh my God, you got him. Yeah, I didn't even like me to. I've never seen that happen before. I can't believe I got you before you got me oh my gosh that's incredible dang it anyway cringy boo for sure we know we know what gets them now

Starting point is 02:23:13 okay yeah yeah um okay so people found it for me anyways um so yeah gpts can say oh that sucks um gpts can save a lot of effort and then this so gpt builder says hi i'll help you build the cheap gpt blah blah blah sam says be a chatbot that answers questions with cringy boomer humor in a short of in a sort of awkward shock to get laughs sort of way is it great the chatbot is set up its name is grok grok and then it subtexts i tell jokes like your dad's dad oh no the the optional prompts are why did the what's the deal with how many and tell me a joke about absolutely destroyed um i've heard it's really bad i don't know if this is real but people are claiming that grok um that that grok uh if you ask it

Starting point is 02:24:07 who the best meme creator is it'll tell you elon musk um guys can you can you tell me if that's true because that could easily be doesn't he just like just steal memes like this isn't even like i don't know i'm not even trying to throw it at him i just i think that's like literally a thing i have no idea apparently uh apparently uh musk replied to that oh really it was probably funny it probably had a meme maybe it was written by grok me um i can't see it because i'm not signed in so it doesn't show me any comments so it is what it is someone can post if they feel like it i guess um in other ai news which we are almost done amazon is reportedly investing millions into training one of the largest llms yet with two trillion parameters code named olympus and samsung is hinted at a pivot to ai for the galaxy s24 with their own AI Gauss.

Starting point is 02:25:06 Gauss. Gauss. Oh, that makes sense. Which can supposedly translate audio and text in real time and run a significant number of AI features locally. Local. Local running. That part is cool. Pretty cool.

Starting point is 02:25:19 Because like mine, oh, we have AI stuff in the new phone the pixel you care about this right ha ha ha it just offloads it so that's unfortunate but yeah anyways honestly out of all of that the humane ai pin is the most interesting one do i think it's going to be a smash hit, super ultra viable product? No, not personally, but we'll see.

Starting point is 02:25:49 I'd love to be wrong. That'd be fantastic. Holy crap. We have so many more topics to talk about. That's cool. How do I always look at the doc and go, Oh my goodness, how are we going to fill two hours of show?

Starting point is 02:26:05 And then, and then four hours later, I'm like, holy crap, we've barely scratched the surface of this document. Too much. You said you wanted to do one more topic and then talked about it for like an hour and a half. Right. Okay. So we should probably talk about merch messages a little bit. We need to do three merch messages. We need to do three merch messages because we need to get through some because you guys keep buying 3d down jackets because you apparently want a trip to vancouver oh wow they really do and they're great jackets yeah so we sold a few of those which is um neutral i'm not going to say it's good based on the

Starting point is 02:26:40 promotion we're running but it's neutral i hope I hope. Uh, ooh, hold on. I don't know. I think it depends. It's something. Yeah. It's something. It's jackets. Um.

Starting point is 02:26:54 Anyway, Dan hit me. Um. Hi, Linus. I know that you loved your Pebble. Do you think that LMG will grow to a point where you'll be comfortable asking creator warehouse engineers, design me a new one?

Starting point is 02:27:08 No, I think the wearable space is, um, pretty much unassailable right now to anyone who's not raising gigantic VC money or, or whose name is an Apple or Google or similar. Yeah. You're either raising gigantic VC money or you are the gigantic VC money.

Starting point is 02:27:25 It's a lot of money in pocket protectors right now. Hey, DLL, love the new sticky notes. How is the progress on labs? Are there any new testing stations since labs testing float plane exclusive video? Oh, absolutely. They showed me something really cool that I was annoyed that I had no idea they were working on because it'd be nice to have some idea what the crap goes on down there. But I was annoyed that I had no idea they were working on because it'd be nice to have some idea what the crap goes on down there. But I was really impressed by they set up this case with all these like magnetic suspension points for temperature probes. There's nine of them. And they set up this.

Starting point is 02:27:58 We apparently created a hardware product. It's a PCB with a little little spots for all the different probes. And it's like it's a PCB with a little little spots for all the different probes. changing out a component on overall system temperatures in the intake exhaust gpu intake gpu exhaust cpu fan intake cpu fan exhaust blah blah blah like all these different points and it's going to be part of our approach to like real world testing for coolers moving forward coolers moving forward. Super, super awesome. So that's something. But man, I feel like labs is in this really difficult position right now where they have so much to do that it's very challenging to and it's so broad that it's very challenging for them to get anything done and i don't mean that as a criticism of the team i think i mean that as a criticism of the um the the direction uh and

Starting point is 02:29:12 maybe just not even a criticism but maybe an assessment of the difficulty of the project that they're undertaking right now like you got to understand that it's um it's easy on the outside, to say, oh, well, why don't you just focus? Just make this thing. And the reality of it is that you can't just throw more monkeys and typewriters at the same problem. You can't just go, okay, well, okay, let's just focus on power supplies. Well, what are we going to do about the three-month lead time on that thing? Hiring more engineers to learn about power supplies, that's not actually going to make it go faster.

Starting point is 02:29:48 So parallelization is not an invalid approach. It's just that it's really challenging to manage. It's a new team. We're learning a lot. We're breaking some eggs. We're making some omelets. One of the other big challenges is um shoot what was i gonna say well i forget because my my brain is tired but oh yeah right right right

Starting point is 02:30:12 right uh some of the categories that are really really important for us to cover like phones for example i mean laptops right you can't just say okay well let's just focus on laptops let's get laptops across the line because if you want to test a laptop, all of a sudden you need to test display, thermals, batteries, keyboards, trackpad, like you kind of have to test everything. So we're doing a little bit of everything. We're learning a lot. We're building processes.

Starting point is 02:30:37 We're building expertise in-house. And it's going to take some time. And it's going to be awesome. But, you know, maybe we should have just been like in complete stealth mode maybe that would have been the right answer i'm just not talked about it at all i'm not i'm not sure i mean we've never been we've never been that closed door but maybe that would have been a smarter way to go about it either way we're gonna keep we're gonna keep at it yeah and i guess the last one here is also back on the AI thing.

Starting point is 02:31:06 Oh, good. Nice. This question is for Luke. With a flurry of AI development that seems to be getting exponentially faster by the week, how long until we get an actual AGI, and could it be by next year? I would ask you to define what that even is. Yeah, that's the new debate, isn't it? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:31:28 So, yeah, what is that and then i would honestly say that most people's genuine definitions of what that is um no i i don't know when it's going to come and i would definitely not say next year uh while we're still struggling with llm hallucinations i don't think we're close to agi that's my argument do you want to define agi for the people who are not familiar artificial general intelligence it's like when a lot of people say ai um they're using it incorrectly so people have tried to start saying AGI when they're talking about AI. Ascension. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:32:11 One that actually thinks rather than just taking an enormous amount of input and generating an output. Yeah. Um, cause like LLMs are like a speech predictor, like an insane speech predictor. Um, but that's an interesting way of defining it. I, yeah, sorry. I just haven't heard that before. Speech predictor, like an insane speech predictor. Um, but that's an interesting way of defining it.

Starting point is 02:32:27 I, I, yeah, sorry. I just haven't heard that before. Speech predictor. Yeah. Kind of. Um, so like if you want to be able to do more stuff, you want to be more general. If you want it to be able to, you know, have a feeling maybe like maybe that's the way you're defining it. I don't know. A lot of people debate on that. Uh, I think we're pretty far from that all right i want to talk about the oled steam deck you've been tuned out but have you seen anything about it um no it is incredible are you ready to buy a steam deck sir is that the only change no okay tell me about it so that's the one that valve is talking about okay so first of all it's not just an oled display it is an hdr oled display oh 1000 nits peak brightness oh valve did a ton of work wow on linux to make this color pipeline work not Not just work, but they're extremely proud

Starting point is 02:33:28 of the way that you can just launch an HDR game and it'll just be an HDR. Very, very incredible, really. Like it's outstanding. It's bigger. It's 7.4 instead of seven inches. So that's without changing the body. It just has a slightly slimmer bezel frame,

Starting point is 02:33:48 a slightly bigger screen. Oh, so it is not bigger, just the screen's bigger. Just the screen's bigger. Cool. The refresh rate is now 90 hertz. That's actually enormous. Which is freaking awesome. Yeah. that's actually enormous like freaking awesome yeah like obviously 30 to 60 is like the one that like matters but going from 60 to 90 is still huge yep um let me try and think man

Starting point is 02:34:17 this thing is just kind of freaking awesome um they didn't increase the price. The price is the same at the three tiers, except the middle tier went up 20 bucks. But the storage is way higher. So they don't even have that 64 gig option anymore with like EMMC or whatever. It's all real SSDs across the board. They slightly revised a couple of things like the buttons for the shoulders

Starting point is 02:34:42 are on the same pcb as the joystick buttons now so the parts aren't interchangeable uh they changed the cooler though the cooler is more efficient quieter um the oh yeah the battery life is up we measured about 45 percent but they claim anywhere from 30 to 50 percent so it's a bigger battery and get this new silicon. They went from seven nanometer to six nanometer. It's just a die shrink. So the performance target is the same, but it does perform better.

Starting point is 02:35:14 Yeah. Okay. Cause it just like turbo is a bit higher and it's, and that's part of where that, that battery life gain comes from. It has a new wifi chip that downloads games three times faster. That's what they said. We validated that. So they'll download games at up to 650 megabit per second on a wifi 60

Starting point is 02:35:28 network. It's kind of freaking awesome. Oh, Oh, where'd that go? Well, why is there a limited edition? What does that even mean?

Starting point is 02:35:38 It's just a colorway. Don't worry about it. Oh, okay. Uh, this is, uh, Oh,

Starting point is 02:35:41 Brandon from the lab sent me this, uh, this cool capture we did some pursuit camera stuff showing the increase in clarity on the oled display never mind the increase in refresh rate and it is amazing compared to the original one i said we should add it to the wanshow doc for like a wasn't a video segment but um i don't know maybe it got lost somewhere along the line but the display is flipping cool they apparently revised the haptics and speakers and a couple of other things a bit we didn't notice as big of a difference with that though the big one was the

Starting point is 02:36:16 display the improved performance and the improved battery life and the fact that they now have more storage without increasing the price i think it it was already a great value and an awesome device i think now it is i would hesitate to call anything perfect it's not perfect uh you know it's not going to run games that don't work outside of windows it's um it's still big it's bulky right like uh not everyone's into that gigantic form factor it's one of the reasons that i daily drive an ally instead of the original steam deck um but i would say it is definitive it is right it addresses every problem that i had with the original steam deck that can be addressed um other than just you know more performance a generational improvement on whatever exactly yeah yeah are you ready to get one i don't know i have a lot of like

Starting point is 02:37:13 so you'd rather get an ai lapel pin no i want you to get that ah yeah wow i don't want one ridiculous I don't want one Ridiculous I don't want one of those dude Come on It's definitely interesting It looks really cool I do think you're The 90 hertz thing is honestly the biggest win for me I care a lot more about that

Starting point is 02:37:42 Than it being HDR or whatever else i think that stuff is cool oh the display looks so good though i mean okay i'm sure that's valuable and good you've seen the switch oled next to the regular switch right uh actually no oh okay all right never mind i suspect it is the same display as the switch oled and nintendo just doesn't have an hdr pipeline that is my suspicion uh based on the similarity of the sub pixel layout based on the similarity of the pixel density it may not be the same same it may not actually come from the same mother glass but it also might they're very very similar i my my only thing is uh yeah i have a lot of potential pending expenses so i'm not really in a spendy mode all right that's fair enough but this does sound great and maybe we'll see how i feel closer to actual launch when is actual launch the 17th or something yeah it's like a week 16th yeah

Starting point is 02:38:46 wow wow wow wow i wonder how fast this one's going to sell out do you think they're going to backlog immediately again oh yeah yeah 100 yeah yep i i hate to give people ideas but realistically they already had the idea so it's not like i'm changing anything but uh if i was a scalper i'd be all over this one yeah yeah i think this is going to be i think this is going to be backlogged for months again but then again you know i don't know maybe a big part of the reason the original deck was backlogged was not because of the volume of orders but rather because of the capacity that valve had for manufacturing them maybe that capacity is way. Maybe they've been stockpiling these things for the last month.

Starting point is 02:39:26 I don't know. Yeah, they might see it coming this time. Maybe. Maybe. Don't know. This is interesting. Remember that Kaleos thing that we talked about during the Computex WAN show

Starting point is 02:39:40 where I said I refused to cover their product? Yes. Because they refused to refund the backers who originally funded their project on Kickstarter. Yeah. Even though they were still a functioning company and they were releasing this new product that was a spiritual successor and then just offering people like a voucher to buy the new one, which was twice as expensive. And I thought the whole thing was really stupid.

Starting point is 02:40:02 This is reported by Fanless tech and tom's hardware but seven years after the failed kickstarter campaign a source for fanless tech says that original backers of the nsg s0 fanless chassis are finally being offered a refund around 500 or alternatively they can choose a voucher for the streetcom sg10 fanless gaming case reportedly worth one thousand dollars um despite this reporting however their kickstarter page has not been updated so so hold on hold on uh so where's the so where's the basically the reason i'm bringing this up is because i want to know is this actually happening did anybody back this thing once you get a voucher i want to hear from you because i really want to cover this new case and so i want to know when it's time to reach out to them and do a video about it and And I can't do that because I said I wouldn't until, and because I just don't think it's

Starting point is 02:41:08 the right thing to do, which is why I said I wouldn't. But anyway, I'm not able to do that until they refund or offer a refund. The voucher is fine as long as there is also an option for a refund until they refund everyone who backs this thing. So please let us know. Get in touch. I don't know. What's the best us know get in touch um i don't know what's the best way to get in touch with me these days contact us through our public emails and just say like hey i asked for i asked for people who backed this thing to let us know if they if they

Starting point is 02:41:36 get a refund that would be good uh all right uh oh man you know how i've ranted about chamberlain group they make garage door openers yeah i think and i was like hyper insistent on not getting a chamberlain garage door opener at my new house and super angry about the way that they uh they got rid of if this than that integration or something like that and that was that was why initially i started having problem oh no that was it if this than that changed their api access thing okay no no no okay so chamberlain the thing that really bothered me about them was they wanted to charge for api access like you had to pay a subscription fee for your garage door opener to use it with things that needed api access and their justification was that they needed to pay the developers to maintain the API. And I have said, no, you pay for those out of selling garage door openers.

Starting point is 02:42:31 Like we need to be able to access the thing. That's ridiculous. So you have to use, you had to use their integration with, I forget if it was Home Assistant or Alexa or something. And honestly, the thing that bothered me most, and this is so stupid, but stupid but instead of just saying open my garage door you had to use their integration and it was uh hey google sorry oh shoot i shouldn't have done that sorry hey g word um tell chamber oh stop tell chamberlain my q to open garage door identity whatever like you had to do this long convoluted string when it should be as simple as open left door open right door open both doors i i'm no i'm not allow me to set my i couldn't set my own uh triggers which triggered me

Starting point is 02:43:20 um so that was why i put a bunch of work and there's multiple videos about this into bypassing their nonsense so that i can just create my own automations that i can uh that i can activate in any way that i want so anyway long story short these guys are being even on mother's day or father's day or something you should you should just if if wanshow lands on one of those days, you should just drop a like, hey, call mom or call dad. Oh, that'd be hilarious. I love it. Oh man, I apparently did trigger some things.

Starting point is 02:43:58 My bad. Which I'm surprised because like mine didn't go off because mine has voice detection. Is that just a pixel thing? Uh, cause like my previous one had it as well. Yeah. They're all supposed to.

Starting point is 02:44:09 Mine never goes off when anyone does. Yeah, no, they're, they're all, maybe your voice is just really distinctive. Maybe. So it could be that other people have a voice that sounds kind of like mine.

Starting point is 02:44:17 Sorry to hear that. Um, anyway, Chamberlain is back to being buttheads over the last few months. Um, they have repeatedly blocked access to their devices by unauthorized third-party platforms used to manage smart homes.

Starting point is 02:44:31 However, MyQ, which is their stupid thing, has very few authorized partners because they require them to pay for the right to interact with their devices. Chamberlain appears to be trying to push customers to use the official IQ app, which sucks. Um,

Starting point is 02:44:51 okay. And again, this is really shallow. It actually like works fine, but when you want to close the garage door, it like flashes the light and beeps for like 10 seconds before it starts to move. And I don't have time for that.

Starting point is 02:45:02 It's annoying. I'm leaving my house. I can clearly see that there's nothing i'm leaving my house i can clearly see that there's nothing in the way also there's the beam also if it touches something it goes back up how many safety features do we need to ensure that nobody is trapped under it yeah it's fine the beam is like close the door pretty good yeah it's fine also touch detection it's fine those two things combined it they're fine it's a lot yeah anyway so that that honestly that's one of the big reasons i don't like using their app because i just want my door to close i said close the door don't wait

Starting point is 02:45:35 close the door uh anywho uh so yeah they want to push people to use the official app the app oh wow apparently added large persistent ads that occasionally push the open garage button off the screen recently uh okay anyway that's amazing so the thing that made this catch my attention was that home assistant announced they will be removing their myq smart device integration which has been working only sporadically because as an open source project paying myq's fee is unsustainable and goes against their values as a company this is the quote myq users should be able to access the devices they paid for and the data they own in any way they want without a third party having to pay an additional fee now this is the reason this matters in addition to myq chamberlain owns

Starting point is 02:46:20 several conventional garage door opener brands such as as Liftmaster, Raynor, Craftsman, and Clicker. So in North America, this might not be a problem outside, but in North America, they have colossal market share. So I just wanted to flag this for you guys. They are a**holes, and you or anyone you know should not buy anything from them because they take an extremely anti-consumer approach to basically everything they do as far as I can tell.

Starting point is 02:46:49 That's all I have to say about that. Yeah. Do you want to talk about the Bored Ape Yacht Club party or should we just kind of gloss over this? We can honestly gloss over it. Yeah. Some people were exposed to UV lights that were like disinfectant UV lights instead of regular black lights.

Starting point is 02:47:07 Yeah. And some had their vision affected, which is a real bummer. Sorry to hear that. Yep. Speaking of UV lights, I was looking into them for the LAN center and you can get like industrial grade,

Starting point is 02:47:23 like super narrow wavelength, but not like deep enough to be a problem. And I was thinking it'd be cool to have like, it could be double purpose, right? So you could just have black lights at your land parties or you could do UV like disco bowling, like disco badminton. We get shuttles, like plastic shuttles that are UV reactive.

Starting point is 02:47:47 I like try to play like that. Oh my God. That actually would be kind of sick. That would actually be kind of cool. AJ and I were talking about doing a full DMX setup. So we can go for full crazy lights. Lasers. Nobody has approved budget for a full DMX setup there.

Starting point is 02:48:03 That's news to me. We've already ordered all of it no we haven't no we're just talking about it might be something that you're wanting yeah it's just brain lag i wanted to convince you that we did order it but wow you had already said that was really slow you can't get you can't get anything past linus not right now you also know, I've like talked to him about how I have to show him the budget sheet. He knows he hasn't seen it yet. The infrastructure

Starting point is 02:48:29 is there if you want it. Yeah. We asked the community to show us some 3D printing projects that they're working on right now. Here's a few highlights. James is working on these cute little 3D printed toy parrots for a toy drive

Starting point is 02:48:45 oh here's a replacement refrigerator door handle um definitely oh yeah function over form uh a keyboard because ergo keyboards are too expensive yeah this is super cool custom front panel for a case love it these are all sick gpu holder created with solidworks uh body for a drift car an rc drift that honestly makes sense and you probably go through them so make it your own cinema style housings for a bunch of vintage lenses that's pretty cool whoa and a lot of guns apparently two-thirds of the responses were guns of some sort, so there's something. I think that's it for our scheduled programming.

Starting point is 02:49:32 I think it's time to go to WAN Show After Dark. Yeah. Hey, Dan. He's on it. He's on it. I'll figure it out. Oh, yeah. Oh. Wait, that's it? That's all you changed? You just put that there?

Starting point is 02:49:46 I just put that there. Wow, good job. All right. We got some merch messages to go through here? People are very into potentially winning trips here. Maybe our odds of winning were too good. I think so. I wonder if we had to go quite that aggressive on it.

Starting point is 02:50:05 I don't think so. Did you do a standard deviation model? No. Oh. No, I just kind of... You just yellowed it. It's 25. I wung it.

Starting point is 02:50:14 It seemed cool. It's good business sense right there. Yeah, I... Is it more cost effective to just buy 25 jackets? No. No. No. All right. You do well in Vegas.

Starting point is 02:50:29 Yeah. Well, okay. I wouldn't go to Vegas. They're non-mutually exclusive, sir. Can I just bet on red and black at the same time? Then I win no matter what. I know he's kidding, but there's a green, so you could still lose. It's never 100%.

Starting point is 02:50:47 There didn't used to be. Really? Yeah, they added green because f*** you. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's rude. Old roulette was 50-50, and now it's like 49 and a half or whatever. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:50:57 Terrible. Yeah. That's rude. Okay, first one here. Saving up for those Black Friday sales. Let's go. Will they just be discounts or any shipping offers, do you reckon? My lips are sealed.

Starting point is 02:51:10 All I know is that Nick and Linus are fighting. He was very angry earlier. Yeah, Nick still wants there to be things to sell, and Linus is like, burn it all. Burn it all. Look. Not with fire, but with sails. Yeah, we...

Starting point is 02:51:29 I want to create a splash. I want our Black Friday... He didn't like my fire analogy. He's countering with water. Splash, yes. I want our... It's a Pokemon battle. You know, I want us to It's a Pokemon battle. You know,

Starting point is 02:51:45 I want us to look at our inventory and go, you know, your ass is grass. Trying to work my way through all the elements. That's the last one. We're going to blow them all away. I just hit my head.

Starting point is 02:52:04 I think my head shot... our prices will hit rock bottom that's pretty good actually that's that's better than the grass thing or are we trying to do all the oh goodness gracious are we trying to do all the pokemon you said grass yeah yeah okay well you did blow you could never predict these deals got psychic type that's a tough one. That's pretty good. You gotta get them before they disappear. Ghost type? Not bad. That's good.

Starting point is 02:52:35 Prices are so great, they'll poison me. They're toxic to me. They're really dragging down Linus' bottom line. Yay! That was pretty good. I'm into this now. Toxic to me. They're really dragging down Linus' bottom line. That was pretty good. I'm into this now.

Starting point is 02:52:50 We need electric. I've been thinking on the word electrifying, but they all sound too lame. Shocking deals. There we go. So easy. That was such a low-hanging fruit. I'm not 100% here right now, okay? What's an example of a blow-type Pokemon? We're talking about wind, okay? Yeah, talking about wind okay yeah wind blow type or alternatively that's a different show i'm sure they have that show in

Starting point is 02:53:11 japan but uh what blow type lick a tongue what that's not a blow type what are you even talking about i don't know um i have no idea what was this merch message about i don't know oh yeah asking whether we'll have any shipping deals it's possible but what i suspect is that we will for a lot of it uh be we'll be trickling out deals like we've done in the past so yeah you'll probably um you know pay for shipping you know more than once if you're into some of the deals and you'll be into them but shipping if we can consolidate shipments on the back end might be one of the only ways that we like makes some okay margin on it so um that might just kind of be how that is so yeah yeah if we if we give it well i'll give it all away on shipping that might be kind of difficult linus has been wheedling down these deals okay that's a specific pokemon that's

Starting point is 02:54:10 not it's still pretty funny people are saying like steel type and stuff but i don't want to get into the newer yeah there's like too many types yeah i mean that it always bugs me ah ah great let me make it too complicated okay anyway uh me did you ever get any more info from google as to why the google workspace and business accounts don't work with so many features that gmail accounts do my understanding is that it has to do with data sharing. So they have agreements in their business accounts that prevent data sharing across services and across devices. And it's simpler for them to just disable it than to create a sandbox where only where your business accounts data gets isolated. I would prefer if that was just on the workspace admins and it started off by default.

Starting point is 02:55:09 Me too. Yeah. Did you see the telecoms outage in Australia? The second largest mobile ISP went down for roughly 18 hours, shutting down pub, transport, and business. Interested in your thoughts on the independence of mobile isps on our dependence sorry our dependence that's good effort um we had a similar situation with rogers up here actually a little while ago where i think it was payment terminals weren't working

Starting point is 02:55:38 mobile customers were unable to place calls including. Don't quote me on that part. It was really bad though. And it sparked a very, very similar debate up here. And I hate it, but I don't see a way around it. Like, what are we going to do? Go back to landlines? I don't think it's realistic at this point. I mean, even landlines. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:56:00 Landlines were incredibly robust. But anytime that you're reliant on one it's it's the whole german japanese engineering thing if you're relying on one thing that one thing could fail were there times the landlines were down yeah were they down very often no they were almost never down but they technically could so like i don't know if you can try to have a backup like if you're a business and you would completely cease to function if your pos terminal went down if you could even if it would be a little messy if you could for a day accept payments through some other type of system yeah even if it's like paypal on your phone or square that won't help you if your mobile

Starting point is 02:56:45 network's down uh paypal i think you mean paper pal well paypal could be through land how funny would that be paper at the badminton center getting one of those old school credit card imprint machines and just like pulling it out to charge people once in a while just for lols just to see the look on their face you're the you're the luckiest uh you're you're the lucky 69th customer yeah you're getting credit card imprinting instead of i don't think i'd do it that would terrify some people yeah oh yeah just taking a duplicate of my credit card you know that that weird that's the crazy day oh yeah that's the crazy thing about the states though when you go to like pay at a restaurant and they're like i'm gonna just disappear with your credit card for a while you're not allowed to do that here what they bring the terminal to the table the fact that that's

Starting point is 02:57:37 legal is crazy to me the fact that people well i don't know i don't know the fact that people, I don't know. I don't know. The fact that credit card numbers are so easy to obtain in day-to-day life is sort of wild to me. The fact that our credit cards are a fixed number, the fact that social security numbers and SIN numbers are a fixed number is just bewildering to me at this point like really 16 digits 16 numeric digits that's your that's your whole unique identifier scheme are you kidding me yeah i don't have a fix for it though sorry nope was making your home smart worth it no dude the lights going off the land was insane i was trying to work in your office and it kept going dark every 35 seconds so that can be configured part of it is just that i like haven't configured everything correctly but that's a big part of the worth it is how much time it takes to configure everything correctly and it's a

Starting point is 02:58:42 it's a hassle it's a hassle what's up boys i was recently thinking about how fun midnight releases were for games and consoles back in the day yeah do you have any memorable midnight releases that you went to bro halo 2 i went to a bunch but halo 2 was the sickest one i remember there was these dudes that that backed up their they had a truck and i think they had a generator or something in the truck and they had an old crt they had an original xbox and halo 1 and they ran like a little halo 1 tournament in the halo 2 lineup which was dope in that same lineup the people that got there first brought like a camping table and risk and they just showed up like way earlier than you would expect to but they just played an

Starting point is 02:59:25 entire game of risk and then the game released because risk takes so long so they were just like whatever we we just play risk at home or you know we just play it here and we get halo first it's like that's pretty cool uh there was like the halo 2 lineup was legendary i remember i had gotten um whatever it was like xbox magazine yeah that that had like a some halo thing on the cover whatever my my mom got it for me um so i had read like all the articles in xbox magazine about halo and they had this like contest in the line and an eb games employee i don't even think it's called that anymore is it game stop up here now i think so no it's still a b games okay cool yeah um an eb games employee came out and was like asking quiz questions i need the answers to everything because i just read read the thing

Starting point is 03:00:15 like a billion times because what else am i gonna do um and so i won something i don't even remember what it was it was it was great the dude ended up getting mad because I was like the only one putting up my hand for a bunch of the questions. And he was like, no, it has to be someone else. I was like, Nope,

Starting point is 03:00:29 it's only me. Got them. Um, you know what? I'm going to give a different answer than you're probably expecting. I could talk about my, uh, Nintendo Wii,

Starting point is 03:00:39 uh, midnight launches. Yeah. I'm going to talk about the time that I was on the other side of one. Oh, I got to participate in a number of NCcix oh uh grand openings those are grand openings yeah yeah those were those are super wild um you did one when i worked with you at ncx but like this was really early on so i was not a part of it yeah it was uh the the the energy uh on the other side i did it i did a handful of them i was

Starting point is 03:01:06 there for langley my very first day at ncix was the grand opening of the langley location i was just an assistant i was just like a runner um and the experienced sales people that we pulled from other locations dealt with all the actual customers and software and everything which didn't make sense to me at the time i was like i could handle it and then i saw how convoluted and awful their software was later and And I was like, oh yeah, it was probably a good reason on the experience. People want to touch this piece of garbage. And man, the,

Starting point is 03:01:32 I flew out for one or two of the Toronto grand openings or like, like Ontario grand openings in the Toronto area. Sorry, sorry, Mississauga. No, it's a real city. I know. Sort of. Just like how Langley is a real city sorry sorry langley um it's vancouver man get real um well what else was it yeah yeah it was it was really fun just like just like you know going out hyping up the crowd you know chucking stuff at people you know doing like quizzes like you said like i did a lot

Starting point is 03:02:05 of that stuff so that being like i genuinely miss mid-light launches yeah being like a like the hype master for for the launch was was really fun if there was still midnight launches now i would go to them now like a hundred percent okay okay we should do a midnight launch i'm down uh okay what should we do it for do you you mean like LTT store products? Are we just doing mock? No, like a product. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:02:29 Like we should launch something. Sure. Like we kind of did a pop-up for the backpack, but it'll have to be at midnight. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know what? Here, rather than committing to something now,

Starting point is 03:02:39 why don't I just- We'd have to release it on the store at midnight too. Yeah. I'm just going to send a cryptic email to Nick Light. It just says a midnight launch in the subject line and then contains no other information. He likes it when I do that. Good.

Starting point is 03:02:57 Okay, what else we got? Luke, what was the transition to a management type position like? I currently have two offers. Painful. One for exciting technical work and another for management, which is very financially enticing. Take the exciting technical work. Managing people sucks.

Starting point is 03:03:18 Yeah, kind of that. Think about every like a**hole you've ever met in your life. Now imagine that you're responsible for like dealing with their bullshit. You also manage very nice people. I do. Yeah. Like I am relatively sheltered. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:03:35 Like we have an amazing company full of amazing people. If I had to, if I had to manage general population, I'd quit honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Like full stop.

Starting point is 03:03:48 It also, it also like hyper depends on, I'm sure the company that you work at, like, I don't mind doing it here. There's places that I have worked where I would not be willing, you know, like,

Starting point is 03:04:03 I don't know. The reason why I said painful was because for me, I had to realize like all the ways I would have hated managing myself. Um, which was a bit of a painful experience. Yeah. A little smug over there. Um, cause he had to do it, get wrecked nerd. Um, so yeah, that kind of sucked a little bit but it was probably good for me as like a human to be honest um fair enough um but yeah the actual aspect of managing there's i don't know there's a lot of negatives you have to to deal with everything. If, if, if in my opinion, you're going to do it properly and not just be like dead weight and yada, yada, yada,

Starting point is 03:04:52 yada, then, uh, it should roll uphill. Right? So you're going to be dealing with a lot of bad and not really that much good because most of the good is going to be claimed by your team yeah you should be crediting your team and you should be taking responsibility when things go wrong yeah

Starting point is 03:05:12 so so basically they do everything good you do everything bad and that's like i like it yeah because it means i only have to yell at one person. Yeah. Well, not I Taryn, but whatever. Yeah. Um, and that's like, in my opinion, that is more or less how you should do it because, and like that,

Starting point is 03:05:32 that doesn't mean you just do that infinitely. Like if, if there's one person that just literally screws up 100% of the time, then it's, it's on you. You need to cycle that person out. It doesn't necessarily mean that that person's like an idiot or a loser or something.

Starting point is 03:05:47 They just might not be in the correct role for them. Sometimes it does. Maybe, but I'm trying to be nice. So part of it is like, if you keep them in a position where they are constantly failing, you're not doing them a favor. It's actually bad for both sides

Starting point is 03:06:04 and you need to help move this process along, which can be very challenging. It's brutal. Sometimes the business and the individuals have conflicting needs. And sometimes, um, people don't realize what is best for them necessarily. And that doesn't, again, that doesn't mean they're idiots. It doesn't mean they're idiots it doesn't mean they're losers it just means sometimes your nose is too close to something to see the bigger picture like it can be people are messy right like uh you know just managing ai llms would probably be easier even with all the hallucinations um life is challenging like sometimes sometimes people can sometimes people can change really quickly for reasons that have nothing to do with work and it are not even their fault right life is messy so life is life is messy and

Starting point is 03:06:52 you spend like most of your life working or thinking about work as far as i can tell um with within within eight hours a week five days a week set up with commute time and um like prepping for work time whatever you want to call that yep um all all the other things involved uh with it such a huge percentage of your life is work and you you see all this stuff going around these days that is like um oh like everyone's super anxious and the world's on fire and all this kind of stuff it's like okay well um part of the the hidden part of being a manager is you're now like a the support structure for everyone on this team because you're not just like the the way that i when people that aren't in our little circle kind of ask me what I do, I try to just define it as like I just, I basically, I remove blocks.

Starting point is 03:07:51 I try to keep the team moving. Professional Jenga player. Yeah. Block mover. That can be distilled in a lot of ways, though. And sometimes that is not like, you go on trello you see a task is blocked you follow it up you make sure these people are communicating you figure out how to do whatever that's ideal that is ideal yeah that part's actually like kind of cool

Starting point is 03:08:15 yeah you know it's not the most common version of it um and sometimes it, it can be really taxing, um, to have your own stuff going on, um, and then need to help manage other people's stuff as well. I don't know. So sometimes it's really rewarding. Sometimes it's really taxing. Sometimes it's really good. Sometimes it's really bad. It's, it's like, uh, I don't know.

Starting point is 03:08:42 It's, it's a very interesting position. I think it's been good for me as a human, but I don't think it would be good for everyone. I'll say this. If you're still really young, maybe do the fun technical position. Yeah. I don't know that I would jump into managing people again.

Starting point is 03:08:58 Yeah. There. Yep. That I can stand behind. But, uh, there is a lot of career path to managing people because honestly a not a not a lot of people want to do it but if you're being offered that today

Starting point is 03:09:10 it is also possible that you will work your way there again you'll very likely be and something that you could do if you want to stay on the technical side is become like a technical lead for a small team and if you're doing something that's really fun. That still seems cool. And you have an aptitude for it. It's possible that you will end up kicking so much, but that you will not only get offered some kind of supervisory or managerial position again,

Starting point is 03:09:37 but maybe an even better one. I don't know. I'm not familiar with your exact situation. You don't have to jump now. And everything's a gamble, right? You can never go back and take a path that you didn't take. So just, you know, do your best with it.

Starting point is 03:09:53 Have fun. There is a ton of bad managers and there's a ton of companies that have a really, really hard time filling managerial roles. So those roles will be there. Don't worry about it linus i have been sucked into ano 1800 i just added all the extra seasons any tips for maintaining all the extra worlds okay this is a bad tip because it's you lose the ability to gain certain

Starting point is 03:10:22 special items and stuff like that because you can only get them from completing quests for npcs but i just kill all the npcs that helps a lot and then i also kill all the pirates destroy their hideouts and then i camp their bases so that they can never rebuild that was really fun yeah yeah luke luke was like oh playing co-op is also really good luke was like my my just my scourge of the seven seas just like destroyer he was our military arm i actually got really into like the micromanaging of the ships to make them take less damage and do more damage and all this kind of stuff because repairing them is like a pain in the butt and stuff uh which makes sense to be yeah which makes a ton of sense for a game like ano um and then i was all about uh you know trade routes

Starting point is 03:11:05 and stuff use trade routes trade routes are so so so so important um and then you know there's a lot of little tips like setting up your trade routes so that um you over produce up the line and then have enough for everyone down the line and then dump to one of the NPCs that will buy anything and then rinse and repeat. Make sure you get lots of the like the gold and purple propellers so that your ships go faster. That is so much more cost-effective in the very long term than just building more ships. I mean,

Starting point is 03:11:39 I could talk about Anno for like as long as I could play Anno probably, which is a lot. So we're not going to do too much more of this but uh yeah what's next did Luke ever beat Baldur's Gate 3 what's his most recent opinion no actually I've been a little bit more time I've progressed I've been a little bit more time limited though and I've been trying to put the time that I have had uh into Final Fantasy 6 because I'm trying to play that and it's been really fun um oh yeah I guess I need an update no I haven't progressed because this week I've just been like sleeping so I

Starting point is 03:12:10 haven't progressed since like before the LAN right so got it yeah makes sense um but yeah I I'm also like I'm not trying to rush through it because I'm just really enjoying it and I don't I have no desire Looking at how much some of my friends on Steam play it. Maybe I can't burn out on it. I don't know but I'll just gate Yeah, there's people that I see they'll just like log in and play it and then go to bed every day and they're still doing that and that's a little wild to me, but I don't want to burn out on it because basically anytime someone's like hey we should play ball this gate i'm just like yes let's do it usually that results in nothing but i i like that i'm very open to that so i have like actually 10 billion campaigns that are nice one um nice and then i have my my own personal campaign which has progressed further than that but yeah uh hey ldl what is a

Starting point is 03:13:08 better way to play games on a tv in a different room hdmi and usbc over cat5 nvidia shield wi-fi nvidia shield ethernet over power also looking forward to pajama shorts i mean definitely a hard line like optical cable if you can pull it off. Failing that, I would say a thin client running Steam Link or Moonlight or something like that would be my next preferred option. Okay, I've got some more potentials here if you want to have a look at those, Linus. This last one I have curated is for Luke. Question for Luke. What are your thoughts on 200ccc as an avid mk8

Starting point is 03:13:47 player don't like it my friend and i absolutely loved that edition but always felt in the minority also cable management when yeah i i feel like so here's here's my thoughts on that i the reason The reason why I like Mario Kart so much is drifting. And I really feel like the maps in Mario Kart 8 were designed for drifting at 150cc. So when you incorporate 200cc, the drifting felt a little broken. Now, if I spent more time with it, could I maybe figure it out? Maybe, I don't know. But the natural lines where if you're, if you're going at like high maintained speed and you drift into this corner, the natural lines at 150 CC just make a lot of sense to me. There's certain maps where like, it doesn't feel like you should be able to do it.

Starting point is 03:14:38 But if you just commit and you hold the line, you're going to slide like bumper over the grass, like just like really really tight lines like they it feels really crafted for that exact experience and then you put it to 200 cc and those lines don't work um so i always preferred 150 um and it makes sense to me that most competitive stuff and whatnot is all at 150 because it feels like the game's made for it. But I mean, I never gave it too much time a day, so I could be wrong. Hi, LLD, hope all is well.

Starting point is 03:15:16 Just wondering how come Lenovo is rarely covered? They weren't in Secret Shopper, no review of the Legion Go. Is it a coincidence or have they fallen off the, or are they on the LDD naughty list? They're not on a naughty list of any sort. I think that they're just in kind of like an awkward position sometimes. Like I don't know what happened with the Legion Go other than that we didn't get seeded one.

Starting point is 03:15:37 And so we didn't cover it. We didn't, we've been really busy. So it's not like we were going, it's not like we were going it's not like we were desperate for video topics so we weren't gonna go and line up queue up to buy one or whatever else we would have we would have needed to be uh seeded that and even then like it would have been a decision for us to make whether we were going to do a video about it or not um and a lot of the time, I feel like their products are safe, I guess. Lenovo does a lot of stuff that's solid and not a ton to say about it. It feels like the kind of product that might be easier for us to cover on labs versus on, you know, short circuit or LTT. I know that we have had some difficulty

Starting point is 03:16:27 dealing with them at times in the past, but I am so far removed from that at this point that I have no idea if that remains an issue or not. Linus, for Final Fantasy VI, do you prefer the name Tina, Tara, or does it even matter? Tina? Hashtag not my protagonist.

Starting point is 03:16:50 It's pretty cut and dry. Hi, LLD recently got engaged. Would love any advice for the wedding day, either from your personal experience or advice you've gotten from loved ones. My fiance says, ask Yvonne. Most important thing is remember, it's not about you. That's key.

Starting point is 03:17:11 This is a party for your parents and your loved ones. You are the host. You are not the attendee. So if you remember that, then all of a sudden other people's meddling becomes less upsetting. All of a sudden the busyness of the day becomes part of the journey and less an obstacle to enjoying it. shift that I think helped us actually enjoy it a lot more was understanding that no we weren't going to have time to sit and eat you know we um you know no uh we're not going to be able to keep the guest list just to the people we know personally our parents are going to want to invite their friends and loved ones who we don't really have relationships with um it helped a lot that in chinese culture it's a lot more normal to just

Starting point is 03:18:08 bring cash to these kinds of events like it's it's pretty um it's pretty typical unless you traveled like on a plane uh it's pretty typical to cover your plate and some so inviting more people to the wedding is not a big deal honestly it seems like a really good system that makes a lot of sense like i was looking at it going this is genius how is this not the complete norm absolutely it makes a ton of sense because for the individuals like like when i hear about people who spent car money on their wedding like money they actually no longer had after the wedding after going through the process with my wife i i i look at that and i go well that's insane people should pay their own way at the wedding and if they're not willing to pay you know 80 bucks a head or 100 bucks a head or whatever you know the banquet and and all that is then they probably shouldn't be there

Starting point is 03:19:07 you know the banquet and and all that is then they probably shouldn't be there no offense and if everyone you know can't afford that and and you're not a mega baller who can just afford to cover everyone's way well you know maybe a strategy shift yeah would be in order like like when i hear about people going in debt that's the big one for a wedding. That is not the right foot to start your life off together on. That's not something that I would have considered acceptable back when we got started. And like I said, we were lucky enough that I was introduced to this amazing, way better way of doing things such that having more people at the wedding wasn't more costly. But yeah, that was, that was, that's a big thing is just remember, it's not about you and just let go. Have fun. Last week you talked about, can I throw something in there?

Starting point is 03:19:54 As someone who has not gone through this process and I am a thousand percent stealing this from Linus, but I don't think he's said this publicly. So it's mine now get owned. This is my thing. Okay. It's not Linus's anymore. Okay. This is mine. Wow.

Starting point is 03:20:09 He's so assertive today. It's mine. Okay. It's yours. What is it? But when you're, when you're doing your, your vows,

Starting point is 03:20:18 you can chill out. Oh, he knows what I'm doing here. Oh boy. There's, there's been examples where people will kind of like lay into each other in a negative way in their vows. And it's just like, you guys can hash that out another time. It doesn't need to happen right now. I have actually witnessed this. Yeah, me too. So like when you're going up there and you're like,

Starting point is 03:20:42 you know, talk about what you bring to the table not what you expect the other person to bring to the table that one too i haven't witnessed that one yeah but i have witnessed the like very broken had a lot of negative times we've been through the ringer it's like none of that matters right now yeah oh so so the context for what i was saying was uh it can be like very backhanded oh yeah like the um you know i just think in general like just just have a positive moment it's okay yeah like i i don't know in my I mean, you can do whatever the heck you want. You don't have to listen to anything that lions and I just said, you could have a

Starting point is 03:21:28 wedding with one person in attendance and you don't care what they think and you don't give them any food and none of it matters. Um, or you can have one where you only say negative vows, literally nothing matters. Who cares? Do it your way. These are just suggestions, but i just find like when you're sitting there with like a whole whack ton of people and the bride and groom are standing up they're talking about their vows and they just dog into each other and it's pretty uncomfortable for everyone we had a lot of hard times and you were really tough to deal with at the beginning and it was really really hard to get

Starting point is 03:22:05 here like what do they think they're doing the land show but we made it yeah yeah really yeah but we made it it's like okay uh i don't know we don't have to do this right now yeah like just talk about this like in a lot of ways it's supposed to be the start of something right like yes you've been together for a long time but it's supposed to be the start of something right like yes you've been together for a long time but it's supposed to be the start of something so like you know maybe leave that baggage yep i don't know last week you talked about final fantasy 6 with luke i wonder what other final fantasy games you've played and if you still keep up with the modern games at all. I have not kept up with critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV, I'm afraid. The last one I played was...

Starting point is 03:22:51 Oh, boy. People like XIV, I think. No, no, it's like a copycat. No, I know that's a meme, but yeah. I did not play XII. What the heck is XI? Oh, no, XI was an MMO.mo last one i played is 10 i'm a little behind i haven't i haven't seen or heard anything that would compel me to play any of the more recent

Starting point is 03:23:14 ones except the most recent one uh david said i have to play it but i don't have a playstation it's supposed to be super good yeah yeah i'm also waiting for the pc release that will be the well that's pretty given i guess that'll be the newest one i played once it actually comes to pc um the the next one after that in regards to newest version that i've played not most recent that i've played would be final fantasy 8 yeah someone said uh someone said 10 is a good one to go out on yeah i know i've heard a ton of super positive stuff about the most recent one yeah actually it's supposed to be amazing yeah linus as a very busy man how do you decide what media to consume in your limited downtime choice paralysis i have no idea oh i i struggled i usually watch reruns

Starting point is 03:24:07 because i just i can't i can't allocate enough of my brain to deciding on and then being committed to new media it's a big problem for me linus what do you think about the oc remix versions of the Final Fantasy 6 music? I think it's fantastic. So I loaded this up here. Someone on our YouTube account apparently are you listening to the show at the same time yeah nice oh yeah there's your problem i don't know sounds like they go pretty hard i'll have to check these out another time. I wasn't familiar with them What do you want to see from the live-action Legend of Zelda I want Kind of a dark serious tone. I

Starting point is 03:25:17 Think that's a lot to ask for from Nintendo. Yeah, but I want it to be kind of gritty not gritty but I don't want it to be kind of gritty, not gritty, but, um, I don't want it to be for my six year old. I want it to be for like my preteen, if that makes sense. I want Scarlett Johansson, like what they did with ghosts in the shell. That was a great choice. What is it with you and Scarlett Johansson,

Starting point is 03:25:44 by the way, not Johansson. I'm doing a bit. I'm doing a bit. You was a great choice. What is it with you and Scarlett Johansson by the way, not Johansson? I'm doing a bit. I'm doing a bit. You're doing it poorly. Ah! Ah! I learned from you. Hey, LLD. I was recently shopping for

Starting point is 03:25:57 some collab apparel and was wondering what tech brand or other IP you would love to collaborate with for LTT gear. Sky's the limit. Purely hypothetical. I think other creators would be more fun, really fun. I don't have like a ton of, ah, man, I don't know. I mean, it'd be cool to do like a, ah, I don't know.

Starting point is 03:26:28 Maybe I shouldn't have curated this. I curated this and then i didn't think about the answer well uh what i assumed nasa tech brand or other ip i mean yeah but their logo is so corporate and boring like what would we even do with it no it's sick it's sick it's awesome you don't have like a team of designers to do fun things with the nasa logo yeah i guess that's true but like okay sure now nasa is a ltt brand design language in itself orange spacesuits come on tell me you're a fan boy i think without telling me you're a fan nasa punk is like a thing nasa punk shut up yeah nasa punk nasa punk okay here we go this is so starfield okay yeah no this is not a thing i'm sorry i think it is a thing though no i don't buy this no but like what's what's that Tom Sachs? Tom Sachs, NASA.

Starting point is 03:27:29 Okay. Like there's a famous artist dude. That's just the Lunar Lander. Oh my God. Oh my goodness. Oh, I can't find like. Wow. This is really compelling.

Starting point is 03:27:42 A toilet. Brilliant. Here, make this. I don't even know what it is sell that looks like a pinball machine with one of the super checks hockey games under it i don't i have no idea what i'm looking at oh then now you can play super checks at your own height all right well this has been a good show uh thanks everybody for tuning in uh we will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye.

Starting point is 03:28:17 When the brain's lagging, you can go for the really junky jokes. He's sick, and I'm ill-equipped. Oh, man.

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